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Please. Mayor Randy Burke here.
Commissioner Ken Gaspar here.

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Commissioner Darren Indino here. Please
rise as you're able for the pledge of

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allegiance.
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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
Okay, before we get to the approval

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agenda, there's a uh Mickey, take you
want to amend the agenda.

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» I do. I want to amend the agenda. I've
got some uh road improvement updates. Uh

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some I got last evening, yesterday
evening. So, I want to bring council up

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to that and then just some other uh road
improvement projects. So, like to amend

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the agenda to cover road improvement
projects.

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» So, add item K.
>> Yes.

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Do I have any motions to the amendment?
>> I move that we add item K to discuss

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road improvements to the agenda.
>> Second.

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» Call the role.
>> Commissioner Darren Indina.

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» I.
>> Mayor Randy Burke.

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» Yes.
>> Commissioner Ken Gaspar. [clears throat]

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» I
move that we approve the agenda.

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» Second.
>> Call the role.

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» Commissioner Darren Andina.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Ken Gaspar.
>> I.

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» Mayor Randy Burke. I [snorts] Oh, I said
I

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Okay, let's move on to regular business.
Uh we're we're going to vote on two

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things today. Reading consideration of
bill number 9203. Staff.

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» Yes, this was uh we talked about this in
the work session last month and then at

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our regular council meeting, the wrong
special use permit was placed in the

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packet. So, this is the corrected
[snorts] uh resolution. This deals with

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the seating at Great Davees on Broadway
and the placing of tables. Um council

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was given photos. This is the area that
it will go into and um this is u AI

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generated but this is the concept that
great Daves is is looking at. So, uh,

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the packet's been corrected
[clears throat] and, um, staff has, uh,

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is recommending that we, uh, approve the
special use permit.

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» Have any motions on the bill 9203?
>> Do we approve bill number 9203?

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» No second.
>> Okay. Any [clears throat] discussion? I

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think we've already been through all
this before.

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» So, it's just a we're correcting error
that we would have voted on on the last

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city council meeting.
>> Okay. Call the roll. Mayor Randy Burke.

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» Yes.
>> Commissioner Ken Gaspar.

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» Hi.
>> Commissioner Darren Nina.

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» Hi.
>> All right. Reading and consideration of

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bill number 9204. Staff.
>> Yes. This past weekend, uh, council

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approved the open container for the
smoke and sound. Uh, we didn't have any

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issues related to open container. Um,
council had said that, uh, there may be

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future events that we'd need to come
back and and look at that. There is one

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this weekend that would like to be
considered for open container. I've

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changed this from a special use permit
to a special event permit. Uh the reason

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for that is this is a one-time event and
it would um allow for uh open containers

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to be permitted. Um Brier House would be
serving. closure of the streets would be

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from Broadway North to um Bond Street.
And actually, I think they're going to

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close it at the alleyway there, but uh
we're This says Bond. Um the time frame

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of this would be 5:30 to 8:30. Uh same
procedures that we saw at Smoke and

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Sound. There would be a special cup and
then uh with wristbands contained in

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that block party area. Um this is a
cancer awareness event. They're going to

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have
uh block party kind of style out there

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with music, cornhole, some other games.
And so it's just a permit to allow open

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containers.
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» Okay. Which I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> Me, too. Do businesses who require the

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request of this permit have to have a
permit [snorts] in place to be viewed?

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Is it like it has to have a
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and uh they have to have it on display
or available. It doesn't have to be on

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display, but it has to be available for
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» Thank you.
>> Okay. Related to this uh is we just did

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this down [clears throat]
event. Uh it's important we capture

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those lessons learned. From what I can
tell, it would went pretty well. I

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appreciate the police presence down
there. Okay. Um, don't bring your M

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wraps down here. Okay. Don't scare the
folks away. Uh, so it's when are we

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going to capture those lessons learned
>> that is or is we've already had a

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meeting.
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We capture lessons learned. Uh, and we
it's going to it should help us in

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future events. But I would tell you from
everything that I've heard and seen, I

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appreciate the emails from you uh Dave
Compton. uh from everything I've seen it

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w it was done very well. Okay. So my
appreciation to uh to the public safety

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folks uh for putting that together. They
comp put put a great plan together for

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that. So I think we can this event based
on the experience is relatively low

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risk.
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Any other comments before we entertain
motions?

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» I'll move that we approve bill number
9204. Second. Call the role.

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» Mayor Randy Burke.
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» Commissioner Ken uh Ken Gasmar, excuse
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» Hi.
>> Commissioner Darren Indina.

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» Hi.
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» Okay. Presentation and discussion. Monet
Main Street facade grants presented by

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Monet Main Street.
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» Bob, you want to come join us at the
table here?

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» Bob Burgerer is here to represent Monet
Main Street. Uh this was a request that

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we received from Monet Main Street. And
the letter that Bob sent is in the

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packet. Yeah, just briefly, I have my uh
hat on as Main Street's vice president,

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and the city has uh has given us $25,000
uh for uh it's been designated for grant

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matching and I want to give you just a
very quick update. Uh we have hired a

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grant uh writer uh Borealis Consulting
does has been doing some work for Aurora

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um Aurora's downtown program and uh she
has uh she helped us put together we had

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a $1,000 grant for our flower pots. Uh
they're working on a farmers market uh

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grant right now as well as uh exploring
some arts grants with some of the stuff

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that Nikki is doing in murals. And that
work is being coordinated by Cassie

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Branch and Scott Thrasher. Uh we do want
to uh to tell the city that we're using

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our own operating funds to pay the grant
writer. We're not using any of this

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25,000 because that was set up to be
used as uh grant matching funds. What we

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would like to ask the board's permission
for is um like Ken, you're aware in the

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past we've had facade grants for years
and years. 2012 we started that. Since

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2012 to now, we've had eight of those
facade matching grants. Typically, we

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ask someone down in in the uh the
Broadway footprint to spend money first,

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have permission for the grant, and once
the project is complete and inspected,

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they are paid a matching grant. In the
past, those have been dollar fordoll for

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uh firsttime uh people that applied for
it. And as we started to get repeat

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people interested in it, we had $1 for
every $2 spent. Excuse me. So, what we

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would like, we haven't done this for a
number of years because we had the silo

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hanging over our head. We had the dog
bark hanging over our head. What we'd

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like to do is ask the the council's
approval to use up to $10,000 of that

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$25,000
uh for a 2026 facade grant program. And

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you have, I think you have in your
packet the the type of cover letter that

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goes out to the community
uh telling them what it is. And and and

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we've highlighted the main street
intends towards several matching grants

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up to $2,000 for exterior repairs and or
improvements to enhance the social,

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cultural, and environmental well-being
of historic downtown Monet. Essentially,

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that's the outside of your building.
that that's the drive by that you see.

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We've extended that in the past
sometimes to roof work as well.

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» Can you give me an example right now
that's down there just so I kind of get

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in my head what it kind of looks like.
>> What a example facade. So you said it's

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been a while since you've done it. Do we
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» Um that
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we've spent over $50,000 of matching
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» I think I think an example of the past
was [clears throat] one of the property

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owners added an awning to their building
and so the cost of that awning let let's

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use just use example round numbers was
$4,000. They paid the $4,000 and they

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would receive the $2,000 reimbursement
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painting, it could be windows, could be
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it's also say the awning. It is also
consistent with the horse historical

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aspect of downtown.
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painting like uh Randle Mazery and
Randall's building down there. There's

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been a facade grant on that for some of
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HHR,
uh, the the 400 block building. There's

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been a facade grant on on on that corner
right now where the bookstore is. This

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is a number of years ago. There's Okay.
There's one down there.

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» Uh, the the front of what's now Great
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it over the years as well, too. So,
>> all right. So, and and again, there's an

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application. The application has to be
approved in writing and the money has to

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be spent by the owner. Re receipts, a
reasonable amount of receipts shown,

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inspected by a member of Mon at Main
Street. And and then there's a dollar

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for-doll matching for firsttime users.
Uh one uh a dollar for every two spent

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for repeats. We try to encourage we try
to encourage first-time users

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» for up to 2,000. the maximum that we
would the matching portion would be

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$2,000 maximum per project. So we would
have roughly five projects. And what

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what happens if you if you look at the
history, people ask for a grant, then

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they don't spend quite as much. So the
match is not so much. We we had

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basically $68,000 worth of grants
awarded. We we paid out 53.

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[clears throat]
Sometimes people are a little

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optimistic, their project's approved,
and they don't go ahead with it. We try

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to ask that this be done in six months.
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» Right now, we we hope to with your
approval, we'll we'll put this out and

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try to make awards in the month of
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» Sounds like the facade's going to go a
long way with inexpensively to improving

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the uh appearance.
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the property owner. they have skin skin
in the game

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» and it's the drive by appeal that that's
the the things we're looking for.

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» Okay. And that's probably what uh when
we did the windshield tour that was

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probably one of those things.
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» Okay. So it would be consistent what we
with the windshield tour that we had

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folks from out of town. U the staff took
them around. Uh so it's consistent with

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that.
>> Yeah. And and that's our specific

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approach. But al also I I want to tell
the council we do appreciate the 25,000

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and we're actively working on other
types of of matching grants using that

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that money.
>> Good. I like that. Good.

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» Any other questions?
>> Commissioners, anything?

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» I'll just say that [clears throat]
thank you for the update. that fact that

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you are uh pursuing a grant writer uh
because coming into this meeting I I was

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not in favor of the request because I
felt that the those dollars would be

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better spent for the long term of
obtaining grants [clears throat] that

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would have a bigger impact. Um but if
you are pursuing that then um the the

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the facade grant program I think is a is
a great one. It does provide that

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incentive. it does put skin in the game
for those property owners to be able to

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improve the properties that that we have
in on Broadway. So, um, no, I I thank

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you for the update and and
>> I do want to repeat because we thought

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it was important. We're not spending
that money to pay the grant writer. We

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use our own operating funds to pay the
grant writer.

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» Yeah. To me, the dollars are funible,
right? It's it's what if you're using

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the the the dollars from the 25,000
aotment from the city to pay the grant

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writer or using operating funds to pay
the facade grants to me it's six one

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half dozen the other but um
>> is there a possibility I'm sorry is

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there a possibility there'll be unspent
funds of the 10,000

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» that we unspent
>> yeah that you won't use it all

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» uh there's 10 yeah there's a good
possibility like we will approve four or

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five projects and there's always
somebody that goes, I didn't have the

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money to start. You didn't have the
money to start. You don't get you don't

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get any matching or or they don't spend
as much is

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» that's the key.
>> It's not it's not a blanket. You approve

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2,000,
>> you know, pay me 2,000. We ask to see a

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reasonable amount of receipts.
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» Okay.
>> It's always been me in the past. I I've

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inspected all the projects.
So, there's a [clears throat] process to

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this because we have an agreement in
place with the $25,000 that will have to

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be amended. Uh that'll have to go to
council October 8th. If if council wants

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to pursue this, if you're in favor of
pursuing uh the what we're discussing

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today, that would be reviewed by the
city attorney and you all would just

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vote to amend that agreement to allow
this to take place because the facade

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that the agreement was was
[clears throat] based on grant writing.

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» Yeah, I agree with that. And so, let me
ask this. Is it as simple as

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you just making an accounting
adjustment? Is the $25,000 in a separate

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» checking account?
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» It's not mixed funds.
>> I think for this to be clean though,

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it's we got to go back to council and
have their approval.

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» No, I understand. I'm I'm just saying is
it a situation? Could it be an

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accounting entry where instead of the
grant writer being paid from your

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operating funds?
>> No, [snorts] never mind. I just answered

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my own question. Yeah,
>> yeah. Well, I think the experience with

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uh putting the roof on the the silo, we
looked at $60,000 and we're able to 27.

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So, what that tells me is that this is a
responsible partnership that minimizes

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the impact on the taxpayers and this
would be something that we continue on.

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So,
>> could they could they

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» and there were other expenses. It was a
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» over overall Yeah. expenses.
>> Yeah. Thanks for correcting me. I was on

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a roll there.
>> Yeah. I I just want to make sure. Or

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could they could could Monet Main Street
reimburse the operating account from the

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I'll always say the grant account if
they pay the grant writer already

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using operating funds
>> which is not a significant expense but I

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can't tell you how much yet?
[clears throat and cough]

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» I understand. Um but could could the
grant fund reimburse the operating fund

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for the grant writing expense? Not
according to the agreement that you all

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passed.
>> Well, because it was grant writing.

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» Yeah, that's what I was saying. It's
it's restricted. But what they've done

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is they place it in an account and they
haven't touched it.

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» Mhm.
>> Based on the agreement that they signed.

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So, we have to amend the agreement
before we start moving funds around. And

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Yeah.
>> Okay. Any objections for putting this a

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resolution on the 8th October council
meeting first reading? No,

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[clears throat] it's this will be a
resolution.

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» I have no objections.
>> No, no objections. Sorry.

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» Okay, then we'll put it on the agenda
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October agenda.
>> Would would you like us to withhold

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uh the request for applications until
this this next activity?

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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah, unless we find or something

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like that. Unless there's
>> uh but it's it's conditional. We don't

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find any snags legal and we update the
agenda. Uh it sounds like it's it's a

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go.
>> Okay.

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» All right.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. The next item, open burning
ordinance staff.

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» I think the supplemental
>> Oh, I'm sorry. We missed one

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supplemental agreement for Chapel Drive
presented by own engineering. So Skip is

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here to represent the city and then we
have several representatives from own.

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So we'll let you stay there. I don't
know who needs to go first.

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» I cannot live.
My bad.

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» Good morning everybody. We appreciate
you guys uh giving us some time to talk

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about this. Um, as you all know, there's
a large project on Gap Drive that's

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about to go underway hopefully here by
the end of the year. Um, own um,

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formerly Anderson Engineering has been
working on this project since about

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2021.
Um, and we are requesting for a

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supplemental agreement and our
construction engineering service fees.

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Um, those fees were derived
prior around the conception of the

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project in 2021. Um over the last 5
years um the project has increased in

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scope. There's been a lot of moving
parts. Um and we've been working with

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the city over the last few years to make
sure we get this to an appropriate place

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where you guys can you know make a safer
crossing over the railroad there and um

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um the city with help from BNSF to get
grants to help fund for the construction

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of the project. Um in the initial
contract um the way we had set it up was

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you know an edi educated guess on what
it would take to encompass all the

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inspection responsibilities as the years
have gone on and with the project

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becoming more and more complex. Um
there's a lot of moving parts that are

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going to be going on out there. There's
a railroad, there's all the utilities,

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[clears throat] there's roadway
improvements, um a large bridge, um all

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the above. And what we have done over
the last few months is really taken a

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holistic approach in looking at what we
think the total cost would be for us to

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make sure the project moves smoothly and
gets constructed to our plans and

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specifications and make sure the city
has um a great project at the end of

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everything. Um in the handouts that
we've provided, we have some resumes of

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our core team that will be involved with
it. In addition, um there's the

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supplemental agreement with feed
proposal at the back that kind of breaks

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down our hours on our estimates. We've
estimated the project is going to take

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about 15 months. So that's what our
hours are based on. Um and with all

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that, um we essentially broke it down
into four phases. We have construction

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admin, which is all the administrative
side of things. um reviewing payrolls,

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um supplement or not supplementals,
subcontractor, um some certified

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payrolls, um all the submitts and uh
making sure we have reimbursements and

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everything set out that you guys can
send to the Federal Rail Administration

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to make sure you guys get um reimbursed
for your cost um that they have

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committed to you guys. Um the second
phase is the general construction

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inspection services. Uh we've estimated
about 30 hours a week of being on site

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to overview construction and critical
tasks to make sure things are, you know,

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in the right place and they're following
all the rules.

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Third item is survey and staking. There
we have that as a quality assurance for

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contractors survey and staking to make
sure it conforms with the plans, make

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sure everything aligns with where it's
supposed to be. And then the last item

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is material testing. We're going to do
all the tests inhouse and in the top

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there's a list of what our anticipated
expenses for those tests are. Um the

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number of tests is subject to change
depending on the situation and um what

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we see is fit for you know at the time.
Um this is all just a general estimate

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conforming with mod standards on what we
would need to provide to make sure that

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we are assuring that the the materials
and the the products are where they need

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to be. So, in total, our original
construction engineering contract amount

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was for $369,100,
and we're asking for a $455,950

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supplemental,
>> not to exceed.

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» Not to exceed.
>> It's a It's a Is it cost plus?

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» Yes, cost plus.
>> So, it's it's one of those where

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you you get build for the services we
provide. It's not a that's a gold

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number. So So the if I look right the
the inspection

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hours nearly tripled.
>> So what what did you miss badly the

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first time then?
>> So I think the the initial project when

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we set it up was very minimal critical
inspection. Um just a lot of times on

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these bridge projects, LPA, local public
agencies, it's

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a lot of it is we're out there for a
handful of times to, you know, check

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driving piles, check concrete, check
rebar, and we're in and out. with this

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um and with Sprinkle Associates um
stepping away from a lot of the

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day-to-day stuff, we feel like we will
need to be more present on the

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day-to-day stuff, making sure we have
diaries and logs of what's going on. So,

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that increases our time rather than a
typical, you know, 10% of the time out

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there. We're going to be out there 80
90% just to make sure things are going

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smoothly.
>> Where's your inspection staff coming out

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of? Um the majority of it will be coming
out of our Carthage office. Um which is

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just a short hop, skip, and a jump. Um
and then our material testing will be

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coming out of Springfield. Okay.
and talking with Kevin, um he kind of

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intends to monitor the hours and and the
work and and you know, if he feels like

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there's maybe they don't need to be
there, he intends to kind of watch over

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that is kind of the the talk I had with
him.

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» All right. I guess what I'm trying to
understand, you've been you all have

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been working on this project for a
while, right?

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» Yes. Okay. So, why are these costs
unforeseeable? I you know I kind of kind

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of understand but help me someone help
me understand why for so there's a

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couple components with that first is
initial concept is never perfect um I

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think the extense and the complexity of
the projects has grown over time there's

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a lot more utility coordination that was
involved there's a lot more moving parts

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there's widenings of roadways all the
new driveways for all the new facilities

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that will be constructed along Chapel
Drive and dealing with a lot of those

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aspects of just the
>> so we're doing we're doing driveway you

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know along Chapel Drive
>> the extents of the project is from

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business 60 to enterprise
>> rightway

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» okay and then some of this is Kevin was
subcontracted to do quite a bit of work

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on this and that has been pulled out
Kevin no longer um is is doing that.

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That's they're calculating all that
amount in now that for what they have to

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do.
>> So is there I'm assuming net savings

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then. So the expense that would have
been paid to Kevin is just now being

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transferred to own.
>> Not necessary.

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» Not necessarily.
>> Not necessarily.

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» No, it's quite a bit more.
>> Yes.

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» Well, I get that. But there
[clears throat] won't be an additional

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expense being paid to sprinkle
Associates, right? other than just what

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we're paying him as city engineers for
you know

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» for other projects [clears throat]
>> and you know he he will probably have

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some quality assurance on this project
>> I don't think he plans to be as involved

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as it initially was planned he just
general oversight now um less than what

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he was planning
>> do we know what that delta is at all or

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» I don't know off the top
>> I I yeah it's probably an unfair

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question but
>> and then talking with Kevin I mean he

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feels like this is kind of like absolute
worst case scenario numbers that they're

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shooting high so they don't have to come
back for another supplemental at some

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point.
>> I mean the the intention is that this is

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» um break the glass kind of
[clears throat]

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» I understand that language. Yeah.
>> Well, I guess the question I have to

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[clears throat] ask and and I don't know
if you guys have the answer but Okay.

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So, we just put out a bid and, you know,
we're moving forward with the project.

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Now, we have to spend another $455,000.
[clears throat]

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What is it? What what's out there in the
future that's going to cause the the

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increase this? Now, remember, I used to
work in shipyards. I [clears throat]

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dealt with with construction before. I
understand there there is there is some

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unforeseeables, but
this right here, I I I'm trying to look

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for some kind of certainty the car the
costs aren't going to go up.

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Well, there's there's always the
possibility of change orders in

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construction. So,
>> I understand that.

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» We can't Yeah. Guarantee that.
>> But that's something we can't foresee,

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» right? No.
>> Okay. You can't foresee that. And looks

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like something's happened here. And this
first time I'm hearing of it that we're

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we we've got to change gears and pay
more engineering costs.

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» Yeah. I think it comes down to what I'm
seeing is it's a whole lot more robust

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inspection than what was initially set
up.

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» Yeah. Is that driven what's that what's
driving all those increases?

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» Anything that you take over the railroad
there's there's uh restrictions and

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inches can matter cuz if you don't have
enough clearance then you we got to make

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sure everything's inspected right the
first time. Am [clears throat] I saying

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that correctly or in a Yeah. Okay.
>> And again, this is worst case scenario

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like they've got to be there every bit
of these hours and that will will not

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should not be the case. But there will
be days out there where maybe somebody

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runs down, they're here for an hour,
gets what's going on, heads back. You

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know, they don't have to sit there and
watch them put dirt in all day. Yeah.

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» [clears throat]
>> How does this fall within our

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say budgeted reserves?
>> I mean, we should I'm looking at Sandra.

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» Well, it's going to strain it, but
>> we discussed it with the city engineer

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and we feel like
>> Oh, what I'm saying is our reserves

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cover it.
>> Yeah,

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» our reserves will be fine.
>> Okay.

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And we're still, you know, collecting
off the use tax for this project as

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well,
>> right?

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» On completion, right?
>> It will have an impact on the next

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project we're looking at the connector
roads between 37 and

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» it could. Yeah. I mean,
>> may delay that.

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» Yeah.
>> Not prevent it, but delay.

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» Does that project come out to use tax as
well?

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» No.
>> No, it does not.

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» It can't.
It should just be a separate project on

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its own.
All right. Now, we're not going to have

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See, since we're not putting a bridge
there, we're just putting a road, we're

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not going to have the same sort of
inspection criteria, I'm assuming.

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» Not to this level.
>> A lot less complicated.

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» Yeah. No railroad. [laughter]
>> Okay. So, it ensures we do it right the

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first time.
>> Yes.

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» Hopefully, this is our last overpass for
the city of Monafar

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» unless we really have expansions.
Okay, neutron float. Let's go. Yeah.

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» Okay. Well, I'm not happy about this,
but uh do we have any other options?

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» Other funding sources? Is there any
other grants?

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» Not if we want to get that grant money.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah, I think you're right.
[clears throat]

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» Okay. So, this will be presented to
council at the October regular council

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meeting for approval.
>> Okay. Uh, let's Is it a resolution

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or I think it's a contract? It's an
ordinance. Correct.

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» Yeah. But we may be able to go back to
the original ordinance that we passed. I

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need to clarify that with legal.
>> Okay. But we will vote on something.

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» Yes.
>> Uh on AD

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would either be a first reading or
resolution.

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» Correct. And uh even if it's an
ordinance or if it's an ordinance not

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even it but if it's an ordinance on a
double reading

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» no I don't have an objection to be an
ordinance

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00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:40,720
» but I still like to have more time to
review the situation. Uh that's

412
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:43,360
certainly that that's certainly uh
available to you.

413
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:49,360
» And and while we've got them in the
room, does council want representatives

414
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:52,960
from Owns there they even
>> for further questions?

415
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:57,520
» I think so.
The public may have some questions.

416
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,600
We'll need to have a good idea.
>> All right.

417
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,679
» And I think Kevin Sprinkle is planning
on being at that meeting as well. Good

418
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,080
idea.
>> Yeah.

419
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,399
All right. Any questions, discussion
from the council?

420
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:18,360
» All right. Thank you all very much.

421
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
» Kevin,

422
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,240
all located across the street from city
hall.

423
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,880
» This group who is
>> Sam the lady right there.

424
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,519
» The young lady.
>> Sam.

425
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,120
» Mhm. Okay, Samantha.
>> Thank you.

426
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
» All right. Thank you.

427
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,159
» Okay. Now, let's go to discussion of
open burning ordinance.

428
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,159
» Chief Pennington.
>> Yeah.

429
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:05,067
» Mayor, commissioners, city ministers,
thank you for having me again.

430
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:08,320
» Uh, this has been a um a hot topic. Uh,
>> [laughter]

431
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:13,039
» Um, we've had some reach out from
citizens. I know the mayor sat in on a

432
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,919
few of these meetings on bird ordinance.
I'm going to pass out the ordinance that

433
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:25,360
we have now. Um, if you read it, it
doesn't really make sense to fire,

434
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:30,240
police, or the citizens we have here.
Um,

435
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:36,000
it's basically telling our citizens that
they can burn trash from 6:00 a.m. to

436
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:41,279
10:00 a.m. uh between the months of May,
June, July, August, and September. Uh,

437
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:45,919
it's very confusing. I've had people
reach out. I know Murray's had people

438
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:51,600
reach out to him on Facebook.
I think we need to do away with this

439
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:59,120
city ordinance. I know that I have put
in place for discussion for a new city

440
00:32:54,159 --> 00:33:04,720
ordinance for you members to discuss.
Um, basically I took

441
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:10,960
this new city ordinance that for
discussion. I reached out to other

442
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:15,840
departments around us that are sisters
agencies and basically put this

443
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:21,360
together.
I know uh talking to the citizens over

444
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:25,840
email, over telephone calls, over the
events that they see me at, uh there's

445
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:34,720
six items that they they would like to
see changed. Uh and those six items are

446
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:40,000
here on your new uh city ordinance. Um
basically, you know, uh I took this new

447
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:47,120
city ordinance. I ran it through uh
Chief Camp as well. uh his officers are

448
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:50,240
having a hard time hard time uh writing
citations

449
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,000
because they don't really have anything
that's black and white. Is that correct?

450
00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,480
» That's correct.
>> So, um it's kind of hard to write, you

451
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,440
know, somebody illegal burning when you
know you're telling them that they can

452
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,440
» they can right
>> in in the in the old city ordinance. So,

453
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:12,480
my recommendation is to do away with
this city ordinance that we have and put

454
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:18,560
this new one into place once you guys
review it with legal and yourselves

455
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:23,280
cuz there's only two places that have a
burn ordinance. That's the solid waste

456
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:29,040
one. And then in the fire department
ordinance,

457
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:33,679
uh it's highlighted is um
weeds houses

458
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:37,320
and all that. So,
yep. Right there.

459
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:47,440
And uh any questions that you uh have
for me?

460
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Um permits and requests to burn should
be something that um people come to the

461
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:55,839
city for. So, we are
alerted that there's going to be a burn

462
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:02,880
on property instead of just free burning
at any given time in any given minute.

463
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:09,119
So, anything that is over a 3x3x
two, um, they would have to fill out a

464
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:13,680
burn permit. Talking to other agencies
around me that are my size of my

465
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,800
department, my city,
>> it's it's a free permit.

466
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:22,880
» Okay.
>> All it is is like somebody like Mike

467
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Derves here that sets up a website form
that they can fill out online. uh it

468
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:33,200
kicks it to my email or Chief Still
Wagon's email so the inspector can go

469
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,760
out and make sure they're within the the
city ordinance.

470
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,680
» Who's the inspector?
>> Uh Chief Still Wagon.

471
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,280
» Okay. So, we have one person doing all
of this

472
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,240
» or we can designate somebody an officer.
>> Generally, it was someone to be able to

473
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,240
apply consistently.
>> Correct.

474
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,160
» And I see we've got a fee schedule on
here which the other one doesn't. Is

475
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,400
that correct?
>> That's correct.

476
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:05,760
talking to other agencies as well and
other citizens. Uh we don't have like

477
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,520
number six, we don't have anything in
our ordinance that says we have to abide

478
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:16,000
by the Missouri Department of Natural
Resource. So like Amazon when they were

479
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:20,640
clearing that lot, you know, or Skippy
Coler over here on Myrtle, you know,

480
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:24,320
this is where this kind of dived from
and it just seems like it needs to be

481
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,880
put at the top of the list.
>> Yeah.

482
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,680
» Yeah. Because [clears throat] in our
existing code, excuse me, when it's

483
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:36,800
defining trash, [clears throat]
excuse me, it lists out many specific

484
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:42,079
items, but in there's also the word
garbage, which that's very loosely

485
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,320
defined as well. And and you know, it
doesn't say in it that you're not able

486
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:50,960
to to burn plastics or, you know,
styrofoams or anything like that that

487
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,800
might have toxic fumes emit from them.
>> Correct. And, you know, after the April

488
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,800
29th storm that we had come through,
>> Mhm. You had citizens going around

489
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,880
cleaning up their yard debris. Well, in
the old city ordinance said they're not

490
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,760
allowed to do that.
>> Yeah.

491
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,119
» It says that they can't do tree
trimmings tree trimmings or anything

492
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,119
like that or brush.
>> Yeah.

493
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,680
» If they do burn plastic or styrofoam
like Commissioner Gasp talking about, is

494
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:23,119
that public safety issue? that is a
public safety issue and then therefore

495
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,599
we can get uh our our police department
involved where they can write citations

496
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
if need be.
>> Yeah.

497
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,240
» Okay. Do we mention things like that in
here? I'm not seeing.

498
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,880
» Yes, sir.
>> Where is it?

499
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:37,200
» It's underneath uh
>> He's on this one, I think.

500
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:43,560
» Yes, that's what I was looking for. It's
underneath uh number one.

501
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,560
» Yeah, I thought I see

502
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:51,520
number one and number two. mayor.
>> Okay.

503
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,200
» Basically telling you what you can and
can't burn.

504
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:58,079
» And this
>> and number three. Number three.

505
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:05,200
» This might be nitpicky on my part, but
>> we we say in in the in the proposed

506
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:09,680
um code [clears throat] that a pile must
not be larger than 3 feet in diameter or

507
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:15,520
2 feet in height.
Do we want to specify singular per

508
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:21,280
property owner?
meaning that they don't have 15 piles of

509
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,280
» property. So, that was brought up.
>> Okay.

510
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:27,040
» If they have a large pile, can they
break it up in the individual? Well, I'm

511
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320
okay with that as long as it's a small
pile.

512
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,079
» Cuz it's more controlled.
>> Yes, it's more controlled.

513
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,200
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

514
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,599
» Uh because Danny Bond's really good at
doing that when he does land clearing

515
00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:38,880
[laughter]
because DNR says you have to have so

516
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,560
many cubic feet. Well, he's pretty good
at splitting that up so it's

517
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,200
uncontrolled environment. Plus, he has
mach machinery there to to assist with

518
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,079
this,
>> right? Okay.

519
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,680
» All right. This is something new that we
haven't done before, right?

520
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,599
» That's correct, sir.
>> Okay. So, how are we going to roll it

521
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,920
out? We don't have to answer that
question here. I mean, that may be one,

522
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:01,760
but what you don't want is to put a new
ordinance on the sentence and go out

523
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,640
there and start having them $500 fines.
>> Correct.

524
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,880
» So, is there a warning system? And I
guess it's a a question for you for

525
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:13,760
either
>> between the first reading and the second

526
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:18,640
reading. We could do a campaign that
says this is coming. The council's had

527
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:24,800
one reading that it will go before
council and and there will be a um a

528
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,359
time for public to speak to it at
>> Okay. But at the second reading this is

529
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,240
in effect.
>> Yeah.

530
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,160
» Yeah. 10 days after.
>> And going back to the warning mayor,

531
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:39,280
usually it's the second
revisit the property the second time.

532
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:44,320
» What I propose based on the finalized
ordinance is we'll defer to the fire the

533
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:49,200
highest ranking fire official and if
they say that this is beyond way beyond

534
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,320
the scope then we'll some issue if not
then we'll do an educational campaign

535
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,240
with a warning.
>> Yeah. Very smart.

536
00:39:53,520 --> 00:40:03,119
» So between the first reading and passage
there would actually be 40 days.

537
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,480
» Okay. So that would give us time to get
warning if necessary.

538
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:10,000
» That's correct.
>> Am I understanding this correctly that

539
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:14,160
what you had handed here the section
205.120

540
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,760
with the fee listed that's existing
code.

541
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,680
» That's existing code.
>> Yeah. So there's no change. We're just

542
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,920
going to enforce differently.
>> Mhm. So the one the two things that I

543
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:27,760
would recommend taking out is the one
that's highlighted

544
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:32,560
» and then the the the one right here.
>> Correct. and just make one city

545
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:36,000
ordinance so people can follow.
>> Right.

546
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:38,560
» All the rest of this remains.
>> Correct.

547
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:44,720
» And correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a
while since my firefighting days, but uh

548
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:46,880
the diameter and the and the height you
can put out with a portable

549
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:51,680
extinguisher. Correct.
>> Correct. And we list in here what things

550
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:58,000
they need to have on site for a fire.
Um, and the reason why we went 3 by3 by

551
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,720
two is because that's your
regular fire pit that you would buy at

552
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,680
Walmart,
>> which I appreciate that all that

553
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,599
language being in there as well as far
as propane.

554
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,400
» And I didn't come up with that. That's
just what the sister agencies use. So,

555
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,800
» that's great.
>> If it's working, you know why

556
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,319
» I I have a question that's related. When
we do a burn ban like we did this

557
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:22,720
summer, looks like we're probably going
to do it next summer as well. Uh, do we

558
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:27,280
have problems with people doing fires?
>> So, our biggest issue that we have found

559
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,400
out, uh, we've had maybe four or five
contacts since the burn ban, which is

560
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:36,079
still in effect for now, um, is the
language barrier. Uh, I think I talked

561
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,880
to Mike about this. We're going to have
to come up with something uh, that has

562
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,280
the different languages that we have
inside the city. So, I don't know if

563
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,800
Mike you can reach out or find out what
kind of language we have in this city uh

564
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,920
and can put that out because
>> 26.

565
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,760
» Yeah.
>> 30 26. [laughter]

566
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,599
» I mean that that's the only thing that
we have uh come in contact with. Other

567
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,119
than that, it's been
>> it's folks who burn who don't understand

568
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:04,960
what a burn.
>> Yes, sir.

569
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,160
» Because of the language error. Is that
correct?

570
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,200
» Yes, sir.
>> And the other thing also I'm glad you

571
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:13,680
brought that up, Mayor. The other thing
is is there's nothing in place of the

572
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:19,680
old city ordinances that says the fire
chief can place a burn ban. So in the

573
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,079
new one, it says the fire chief may
issue a burn ban within the city of

574
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:26,560
Monet.
>> Are burn bans issued by the county?

575
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,400
» No. Uh well, it can be
>> they can be

576
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,640
» county commissioners,
>> but we this gives us the option to do

577
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,240
one inside Monet. Correct.
>> That's correct.

578
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,040
» All right.
>> Interesting.

579
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:40,560
» Does the public have alternatives to
burning? Like can they pay a fee and

580
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,800
have their trash dispersed and picked up
by the city at this time for a fee? That

581
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,400
would be a Dave D question.
>> Yeah,

582
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,119
» I get that. But
>> it is out there. That's the point.

583
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:53,040
» It's free.
>> Well,

584
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,760
» okay.
>> First of all collection,

585
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:02,480
» but monitoring Facebook, getting my
phone calls, my emails, people coming to

586
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:06,319
me at these events, uh, they just want
black and white. Fire wants black and

587
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:12,000
white. Yeah, PD needs black and white.
So this is I think going to be perfect.

588
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,400
» Yeah, the existing code is extremely
ambiguous.

589
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,560
» Very gray.
>> I did not realize it was on

590
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,599
» and I believe the mayor, commissioners,
Mickey's even mentioned this before.

591
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,079
There's things that that are in the city
ordinance that shouldn't be in city

592
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,520
ordinance.
>> Um there's things that have been here

593
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,680
since 96, 1920, you know, that don't
really need to be in there.

594
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,800
» 1920s. Really?
>> Yeah. I've got some city ordinances in

595
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:41,200
here that's been established since 1920.
>> Yeah, we're still getting over World War

596
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,640
I. Okay.
So,

597
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:48,160
that's all I have. You got any more
questions?

598
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,599
» And I think it's an improvement, but
communication to the public is going to

599
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:55,680
be key here.
>> So, we'll plan a first reading on

600
00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:00,560
October.
>> What else do you need from it?

601
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:04,160
» Any objections from
this? No.

602
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,079
» We'll be with the city attorney and
clean this all up.

603
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,079
» Yeah. Okay.
>> You need that.

604
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,319
» I got
>> All right. Thank you for your time.

605
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:13,760
» All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you,
Chief.

606
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,960
» This proposal is to repeal two
section.

607
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,480
» Yes.
>> Yes.

608
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,480
» Okay.

609
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,680
» All right. Thank you, Chief.
>> You're welcome.

610
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,520
» All right.
Uh, next item is proposal for sanitary

611
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:32,480
sewer extensions [clears throat] along
Highway 3. Staff, this is Skip.

612
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:48,160
This is a proposal for uh Kevin and I
were working on um with the new

613
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:52,160
connector road going in. Uh this would
do the design work and everything for a

614
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:57,280
new sewer connection up for the
potential fire station, getting it

615
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,599
across the road. And at the same time,
while we're getting it all done, we

616
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,839
would go ahead and get the engineering,
get everything set up to go for the the

617
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:09,440
piece that is part of the agreement with
Pete with extending sewer uh to the west

618
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,839
um from the Methodist property across
the highway.

619
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:18,520
» Who's Keith?
>> Pete.

620
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,520
» Pete. Okay, I know Pete. Thank you.

621
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,400
» So, it's a pretty simple one. Yeah.
>> Okay.

622
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:28,000
» Yeah. Ba basically just getting the work
done now and getting it out of the way

623
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:31,040
so once the connector road's done we're
not digging back across it to put a

624
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,040
sewer line in.
>> Okay.

625
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:41,760
» Staff did uh discuss a portion of this
funding uh could be covered by the use

626
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:47,359
tax because it's public safety. It's for
future development of fire station 3.

627
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:51,839
And we know that the agreement, the land
agreement is if it doesn't become a fire

628
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:59,680
station, it goes back to the current
land owner. So I think we have enough um

629
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,960
documentation to say this is for public
safety.

630
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,680
» That's relatively low cost.
>> Yeah. [snorts]

631
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:10,960
» For just for the engineering. Yeah.
>> So this is So we're looking at a

632
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,440
resolution.
>> I think we can do this by resolution on

633
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,440
October 8th.
Okay. Any objections from the uh

634
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,160
commissioners?
>> Nope.

635
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,000
» Okay.
So, look at it once.

636
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:27,000
» Thank you.

637
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:40,119
» Okay. Item G, clarifications and changes
to section 400.065

638
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:40,119
Monet Core Conservation District. Staff.

639
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:51,680
» Good morning.
Uh so the Monet Core Conservation the

640
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:57,440
MCC district this is a uh a district if
you if the there is a map in the packet.

641
00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:01,119
This is roughly a district that was uh
talked about and discussed extensively

642
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:05,119
with the planning and zoning commission
um and is currently in effect. The

643
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:09,200
legislation was passed a few months ago.
Roughly this is from Sycamore Street in

644
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Honeysuckle South, 13th Street in Kyler
to the west, US Highway 60 north, and

645
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:19,680
Eisenhower Street to the east. Um, in
that original legislation was provision

646
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:25,599
for you, you're all familiar with the
legacy lot overlay. Uh that overlay

647
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:30,560
district was intended to allow for
smaller lot frontages specifically

648
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:35,520
without needing variances uh to allow
that as a permitted and to permitted use

649
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:40,160
and to turn those lots into permitted
conforming uh lots. That was originally

650
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:44,319
placed in this legislation, but it was
removed. And there is uh some discussion

651
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:50,400
there's been some discussion with other
developers that it would be a good idea

652
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:57,119
to extend those lot frontage um uh
conditions of the LLO to the B1 and B2

653
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:01,359
zoning classification that was contained
in the Monet Core Conservation District.

654
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:07,280
» Fresh my memor on B1 and B2.
>> B1 is the lowest tier of multifamily

655
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:16,240
zoning in the MCCD. that is one
principal structure per lot and very low

656
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:20,319
uh very low um lot area size limits per
dwelling per square footage of of

657
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,640
dwelling unit. It also has significant
height restrictions. It limits all those

658
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:27,578
structures to one story or less
>> conservation.

659
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:31,839
» Exactly. Uh as as you mentioned, Mr.
[music] mayor. The idea being that um

660
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,920
the whole point of this legislation was
to preserve the single family character

661
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:41,520
of the homes and the neighborhoods that
are in that district. Uh the B2 was a

662
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:47,839
slightly larger or a more dense
classification. B2 allowed for multiple

663
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:52,640
multifamily structures. For instance,
more than one duplex on a lot that would

664
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:57,680
qualify. still same height restrictions,
but the idea being that with this

665
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:03,040
change, which would change it to 30 feet
of frontage of lot frontage that would

666
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:07,599
be allowed within this district. Um,
that is the principal change that we're

667
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:11,240
asking for and I'm happy to answer any
questions you might have.

668
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:18,880
» My question just
been reviewed by uh planning and zoning.

669
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,720
just recently discussed and planning and
zoning did uh make a recommendation to

670
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:26,079
approve these changes to this
legislation.

671
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:31,240
» Okay. So that's an if there's no
objections October 8th. Okay.

672
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:39,920
» All right. Next item proposed replat for
lot one of the hy manor subdivision.

673
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:45,040
» Yes. So um this is the location where
the seven brew is going on US60. Um,

674
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:51,359
SevenBrew has asked or petitioned my
office to subdivide this lot into two.

675
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Uh, basically you would have the seven
brew which would be on the lefthand lot

676
00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:00,960
and the subdivide it effectively cut it
right down the middle and then they

677
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:06,640
intend to u sell andor use the lot next
door for further potential development.

678
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Um, effectively uh as you know our minor
subdivision process there are several

679
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,839
restrictions. uh their request does not
run a foul of any of our minor

680
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:20,960
subdivision exclusions or restrictions.
Uh this is a costneutral proposal to the

681
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,599
city. Um and it is the recommendation of
the community development department to

682
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:30,079
allow um this minor subdivision and it
will be on the agenda next month

683
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:34,400
» recommended by planning and zoning.
>> Uh yes.

684
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:38,480
» What cannot be allowed to go in that
right hand portion of the um

685
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,880
» actually set on the right side of this
image. Correct.

686
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,880
» North.
>> I'm sorry. You are correct. Yes. Thank

687
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,319
you. Uh, yes, they are on the right
side. The left side would be the empty

688
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,599
lot.
>> Thank you.

689
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,559
» You bet.
>> Um, your to your question, Darren. Yes,

690
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:59,839
sir.
>> So, the zoning for this, I believe, is

691
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:04,480
commercial. Um, so effectively any and
all commercial uses as currently listed

692
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,640
under our permitted uses in the zoning
CL in the zoning code uh would be

693
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:13,520
allowed on that lot to include all of
those uses, but obviously uh the large

694
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:18,880
number of uses that are surrounding that
area. All on the north and south side of

695
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:23,280
7 Brew are pretty much retail retail
commercial uses. Thank you.

696
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:27,599
» Okay.
I see you have parking spaces. Is that

697
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,680
what those lines are? No, no, those are
those are for the movie theater behind

698
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:37,200
it. [laughter]
>> Yeah, that's Yeah, movie theater and

699
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:40,720
then uh got plaza.
>> Okay. Any any objections from uh the

700
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,359
commissioner?
>> No.

701
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:46,359
» Any objections to a first and second
reading?

702
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:54,680
» Okay.
first and second reading uh on 8th

703
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,680
October.

704
00:51:56,526 --> 00:52:01,839
[clears throat]
Okay, moving on. Removal of section

705
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,119
405.060
from Mo City of Monat code staff. Yes.

706
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:11,200
Uh it was brought to the attention of
the community development department

707
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:16,960
from city council that there is a
provision in our code 405.060 060 which

708
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:24,240
allows the planning and zoning
commission to issue variances. Um that

709
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:30,160
is uh in opposition to state statute. Um
it was the advice of council that that

710
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:34,319
provision be removed from the code. Um
obviously the only statutory body in

711
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,559
Missouri that can actually issue
variances is a board of adjustment. Um

712
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,960
long story short, we believe that to be
an artifact of the code, but it is

713
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,880
advised by council that that be removed.
Um, and that's it. It it was uh

714
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,680
discussed at the planning and zoning
commission earlier this month and it was

715
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,520
recommended that it be removed by it can
only be removed by the city council. Uh,

716
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,800
but this would be on the agenda for next
month as well to remove that artifact

717
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:04,480
from the code.
>> Legal council has uh recommended a

718
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,480
double reading on this because it is
>> going against state statute.

719
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,520
» Yep.
>> Yeah. And I'm assuming that

720
00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:14,800
[clears throat] language in the in the
the governing documents of the board of

721
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:20,480
adjustment has the same or better
language. Uh yes, at the so there is a a

722
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,000
whole section of the code which covers
the formation and the running of the

723
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,440
board of adjustment. Um it is
considerably lengthier than this. The

724
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:32,000
main principle though that I'm getting
at is that it is the planning and zoning

725
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,599
commission has a power statutory power
in our code to do something that they

726
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:38,880
are not allowed to do by state.
>> No, I understand that. Yeah, I'm just

727
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,359
making sure that this language was also
covered in the court of adjustments

728
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,359
language.
>> Yeah.

729
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:51,839
» Okay.
>> And this in no way takes away from

730
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:55,040
future variances at all. I mean, you'll
have another body.

731
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,359
» We have a board of adjustment. It is
actually uh it has uh enough members to

732
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:03,040
meet a quorum and that is the board
that's required by state law to they're

733
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,119
the only ones that are allowed by state
law to issue variances or to consider

734
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:09,359
appeals.
>> But we're not losing the ability.

735
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,680
» Nope.
>> Okay.

736
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,440
» No, it's just the final judication has
got to go to a court. If the board

737
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,040
adjustments, votes it down, they can
they have to go to circuit court.

738
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Correct.
uh the appeals after the judicial if if

739
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:32,160
there goes to a judicial matter yet.
>> Okay.

740
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,440
» All right. Any questions?
>> Any any objections to first and second

741
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,160
reading?
>> I don't have any.

742
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:44,040
» Yep. I think we need to get this done.
All right. First and second reading next

743
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,040
uh city council meeting.

744
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:53,040
All right. Next item is uh discussion of
updating city bond amounts.

745
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:56,960
our new city clerk is going to take the
lead on this one.

746
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:00,720
» So, it uh came to my attention as part
of me [clears throat] beginning the new

747
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:07,760
role as city clerk that I need to be
bonded per state law. And um it also

748
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:11,359
came to attention that we do not have an
ordinance that sets the amount of the

749
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:16,079
bond specifically even though by
ordinance we are required to have a set

750
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:20,559
amount. Um I was not able to locate the
last amount that we was passed by

751
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:25,680
ordinance and it does specifically say
that from time to time the council you

752
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,880
can decide what this amount should be
within uh reason we'll say I reached out

753
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:35,440
to an insurance provider to start this
whole process and that kind of was what

754
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:41,200
led to this. Um her recommendations were
that they're typically either $10,000 or

755
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:46,160
$25,000 amounts. Um, it is up to you all
to decide what that amount is and it is

756
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:49,680
highly recommended that you pass this
because we cannot get our bonds without

757
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,280
that amount.
>> That's a lower amount than I was

758
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:57,440
expecting.
>> I would recommend um so both of us need

759
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,760
to be bonded which
>> not bonded either.

760
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:05,359
» I have not been bonded since I've been
here and so I would recommend the

761
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:10,079
25,000. That's that's pretty standard of
where I've been at.

762
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:15,040
» Okay. So, chief, if you arrest, we got
$25,000 or we can get him out of jail

763
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:18,799
with. Is that what this is for?
>> Not not exactly what

764
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,760
» there's a bone, right?
>> It is.

765
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:27,440
» Yes.
>> So, so if he makes make mistake, there's

766
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,960
what? Some liability relief there.
>> Hence my thinking that that amount is a

767
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,200
very small amount.
>> Yeah.

768
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:36,240
» Yeah.
>> Well, I I agree. [clears throat]

769
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,520
Certainly, we don't want to do 10. The
25,000 is seems like the norm and I

770
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:48,400
think we got to start with that.
>> And I I'll say again, council, this is

771
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:52,319
of urgency. So I know we don't like to
do double readings, but this really

772
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,319
needs to be a double reading.
>> It's a risk we don't need.

773
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:00,480
» Yeah.
>> All right. Uh so any objections to first

774
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:02,960
and second reading next uh city council
meeting?

775
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,880
If I may, are we we're deciding on the
25,000 amount?

776
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,440
» Yes.
>> Yes.

777
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,319
» That'll be in the ordinance.
>> Yes.

778
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,079
» Yeah.
>> And so they'll vote on it that night.

779
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:18,760
Yeah.
>> Yeah. They're giving us directive. Thank

780
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,760
you.

781
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:26,079
» Okay. Next item. Uh this road
improvement [clears throat] plans. Go.

782
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:31,520
» Yes. So, uh, our city engineer met, uh,
with council in August and walked you

783
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:37,520
through a pricing spreadsheet,
um, and we had, um, looked at a couple

784
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:44,880
of projects that we want to move forward
on. We found out, um, yesterday that

785
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:49,760
we're ready to do the Broadway project.
So, that's really what I want to focus

786
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:54,960
on first. The Broadway project is a
piggyback project

787
00:57:52,160 --> 00:58:01,440
which will allow for cost savings with
Blevens Asphalt who has the contract for

788
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:08,319
the Highway 60 MDOT improvement project
from uh 37 and 60. They've gone west

789
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:13,119
moving west and so they they have this
they have that project but if we piggy

790
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:19,040
back off that there's a there's a cost
savings to the city. It's also super

791
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:22,640
paved, which is really good asphalt.
>> And this is

792
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,920
what's the extent of this project
physically?

793
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:32,839
» Um, resurfacing
>> on the east. It's from the east side of

794
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,839
first street all the way to 13th and

795
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,240
significant improvement.
>> Is it just a resurface or milling fill?

796
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:42,880
» Milling fill.
>> Okay.

797
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:47,599
» I see that now. [clears throat]
So, some of the the millenfill

798
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:52,960
um
city engineer wanted me to make sure

799
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:58,559
that people are aware the depth of the
millingfill will be based on there's

800
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:05,040
there's bricks underneath some of
Broadway, so we don't want to disturb

801
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:11,760
those. Uh the project is estimated to be
$350,000.

802
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:17,359
that will include um the mill and fill
striping, road closures,

803
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:22,799
everything associated with it.
>> The original project was looking at some

804
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:27,440
of the side streets. We're we're now
only going curb to [clears throat] curb

805
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:32,559
down Broadway in what is shown on the
map.

806
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:38,000
So, this is a two-phase
um project

807
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:43,440
to be covered in four days.
They would like to start the project

808
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:47,480
Monday, October 5th, and conclude by
Thursday, October 8th.

809
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,160
» I think it was initially supposed to be
at night, but Vicki, they moved it

810
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,079
daytime now.
>> That's correct.

811
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,400
» Yeah.
>> Daytime save money.

812
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,599
» Yeah. From my understand didn't want to
do it at night.

813
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,480
» Yeah. We originally asked that you do it
over weekend. That was not acceptable.

814
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:17,920
So this is a Monday through Thursday.
So uh with it this is a budgeted project

815
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:21,520
but um so we don't need to have approval
because it's within the budget. There

816
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:29,040
are a couple of things that we want to
make adjustments to to the the budget.

817
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:34,000
One is the um road improvement at Jeremy
and Kyler.

818
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Um, talking with the city engineer,
that project was to be a mill and fill

819
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:44,160
based on a piggyback just like we're
doing here. However, there's a dip in in

820
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:47,040
Jeremy, I think it is.
>> Oh, Jerome Lane.

821
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:53,040
» Jerome Jerome. Sorry, I got the wrong
>> There's a massive dip. Yeah.

822
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:59,920
» Okay. Jerome Lane. Um, but what we'd
like to do is go ahead and fix the dip

823
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:03,359
before we do the the millonfill because
according to our city engineer, if we

824
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,480
just do the milling field, we're going
to have the same problem as 100%.

825
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:12,240
» Yeah.
>> So, we're going to revamp that project.

826
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,799
He's working on that. He's not able to
be here today, but he's working on that

827
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:18,960
project.
>> It's possible as you fill that dip, it

828
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,119
solves the problem. Yeah. trying to
smooth the road up enough

829
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,079
» on the surface.
>> Yeah.

830
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,520
» Is it not undermining underneath? He
>> But but I'm talking about you fill he

831
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,400
fix the D.
>> He's talked about

832
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:34,240
» base rock addition concrete across
there. Yeah.

833
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,960
» Got it. Okay.
>> Concrete overlay.

834
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:45,440
» Um we did have a cost savings at
Cleveland and 9inth. MDOT covered that.

835
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,480
We didn't think that was in their scope
of work, but they included it. So that

836
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:56,400
project's completed.
Um, so we just wanted to update you on

837
01:01:53,040 --> 01:02:02,240
that because this will start. I I wanted
to make it public knowledge because we

838
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:09,680
need to begin to notify businesses.
>> Uh, Mike has a a a plan put in place to

839
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:15,520
notify businesses that that road will be
closed. Public safety needs to know that

840
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:21,280
that road have road closure. People will
still have access to Front Street and

841
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:25,599
they can still go through Bruner's and
then Chief they'll have to make a Uturn

842
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,079
after they go through Bruner's
drive-thru. So they're going to be going

843
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,680
a wrong way on a oneway
>> as a temporary.

844
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,920
» Absolutely.
>> Um

845
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:37,839
» and they're still open to foot traffic.
>> Yes. Yeah. Foot traffic. All the side

846
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:42,720
streets because we're not doing work on
the side streets. The side streets will

847
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:46,880
be closed. Uh they can pull up to a side
street and do any they can still be

848
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,119
patrons to any of the businesses along
Broadway.

849
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:50,160
» Yeah. Municipal parking behind the
chamber.

850
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,160
» Correct.
>> By roies.

851
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:56,079
» Correct.
>> Are we going to close down Broadway

852
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,280
completely in any point?
>> Yes.

853
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:01,520
» Yeah. During this 4 day per
section will be closed. Yeah.

854
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:05,440
» Okay.
>> So it brings me to the the parking lot

855
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,880
at the old Monet [clears throat] Times
building that was deeded over to the

856
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,960
Monet Main Street. Have Have we received
that deed back?

857
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,640
Not to my knowledge. I'll have to check
on

858
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:18,799
» Okay. Yeah, we need to get that deed
back and I think we need to to discuss

859
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:22,000
repairing.
>> Actually, I need to check on that. I'm

860
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,480
not sure it was ever sent off. I think
we may still hold that.

861
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,520
» Oh, okay.
>> I just

862
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:32,079
» So then you probably need to pencil that
in. I'm not with any time frame, but

863
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,720
just put it back on the list to get that
repaired.

864
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:41,920
» Okay. I I don't have any questions. It's
a It's a small duration project. Yes.

865
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,640
» So, but it'll be it won't be a long time
for inconvenience for folks downtown.

866
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,319
» Correct.
>> Save us money. They're already down

867
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:50,559
there. Why not pay you back home?
>> Okay.

868
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:54,160
» One of the bigger impacts are going to
be on

869
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,520
I think like a Sherman Williams or
Dollar General down there. Well, I'd say

870
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,039
Sherman Williams. Dollar General has
access from 9inth Street.

871
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,359
» Yeah.
>> All right. We'll see.

872
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,359
» Yeah. We'll notify all those buildings
or those businesses.

873
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:09,119
» So, we're going to start the
notification process now.

874
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:15,200
» Yes. Okay.
Yeah. Uh the other item that is a road

875
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:21,280
improvement that council had asked me to
check with John Bachelor. He's he's the

876
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:26,079
design person for the intersection at
Broadway and Central. We had asked John

877
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:31,359
to join this meeting today. He was
unavailable. We've asked him to join the

878
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:36,880
October meeting. He's unavailable. So,
we're going to wait till November to

879
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:41,920
even really it's it's not going to he
still has to do some other work. So, the

880
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,680
November is not going to really he's
going to have more information in

881
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:48,000
November than he does today. I'll say it
that way.

882
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,640
» And just for this Senate section you
said right there,

883
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,520
» Broadway and Central.
>> Mhm. Yeah.

884
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,319
» Yeah. We're still, you know, we had the
focus group. They've completed their

885
01:04:55,599 --> 01:05:02,960
work. There were 11 options out of that.
They narrowed it down to six. Council's

886
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:09,200
narrowed that down to three. We just
need to revisit. And John has a a

887
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:13,760
timeline that we need to get back on.
He's still pursuing the timeline. He's

888
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,720
gathering information.
Those are the two items that I had to

889
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:21,440
amend the agenda.
>> So, going back to the Jerome Lane, is

890
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:27,599
there a time frame on that one yet? So
now if we can get it if we can get the

891
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:30,319
dip fixed this year then we would put it
back in for next year's

892
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:33,599
» okay
>> to the for the milling

893
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:37,119
» because that impacts those businesses
heavily traffic

894
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,359
» but we don't have a time frame of when
we're going to repair that.

895
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,960
» We're going to try and do it in this
year's budget.

896
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:48,559
» Okay. Very good.
>> May I ask a question?

897
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:53,359
» Um on Jerome um Ken
>> Yep. is is I mean I've been over the dip

898
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:57,680
is is the pro I mean if they fix the dip
and and concrete that does the road

899
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:02,400
still need to be overlaid in
>> I don't think so. No I I think with the

900
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:07,839
regular chip and seal schedule would
would be fine. It's just that my my

901
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:11,839
concern is in talking to Dave Dunn some
time ago it seems like that's probably

902
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:16,480
sewer related.
>> Yeah. And so that that's my concern is

903
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:21,599
that is there going to be any uh
compromising of the sewer line that's

904
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:26,160
there with continued
traffic. I mean I I drive that every

905
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,880
day, multiple times a day, and I I don't
even straddle that area, I am far on the

906
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:35,839
right, and when there's a truck there
forcing me to go through that area. I'm

907
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:39,119
saying some words under my breath.
>> It was just a question. I know with

908
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:44,000
budget being tight, it was just a
>> I I get it. I just every day I look at

909
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,920
it and I I just I mean thankfully it has
not

910
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,400
» Yeah.
>> has not uh been undermined. So

911
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:56,480
» yeah, we've got another spot I think on
dairy that is a constant spot. Yeah.

912
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:00,000
» Yeah.
Okay. So this is for information and

913
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,880
doesn't sound like any objectives to
your plan,

914
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:07,200
» right? So, okay. Just wanted you to be
aware because we are going to get

915
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:11,520
comments about closing down Broadway for
4 days,

916
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:15,520
» but it's two sections, two days, and
then two days. So,

917
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:20,319
» I think we're doing I think the plan is
we're doing everything to prevent

918
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:24,000
individuals from
>> Okay. All right. Let's see.

919
01:07:22,706 --> 01:07:30,720
[clears throat] Informational see
council comments. Commissioners,

920
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:37,119
» I don't have any council comments. I do.
I have one item. Um it's going to

921
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:43,039
involve Chief Camp, I think. Um, at our
last board of education meeting, uh,

922
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:48,400
uh, Shay Snodgrass, who's an SRO, talked
about the impact of ebikes, uh, kids

923
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:58,400
riding ebikes at the middle school and
high school campuses and, um, the

924
01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:05,440
narrow or near misses of accidents
occurring because the the issue. Okay.

925
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:12,559
So, MODOT put the sign on Cleveland to
cause traffic to slow down. Um,

926
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:17,600
not all motorists are obeying that that
traffic sign.

927
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:21,440
It was a MDOT approved sign, yellow
flashing lights. There was a discussion

928
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:26,480
of maybe red and blue lights would be
more visible and more alerting to

929
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:30,880
motorists. Uh, but that that was
declined by MDOT. So, we have to to we

930
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:38,560
have to stay with the the yellow lights.
And please jump in if I'm misstating

931
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:45,600
that. Um, but there there are there are
kids I I'll say kids and under under 15

932
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:49,120
years old um that are riding ebikes
throughout the city, but more

933
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,560
concentrated than the middle school,
high school.

934
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:52,799
» Is that illegal?
>> Campus?

935
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:59,359
» No, it's legal.
>> Yeah, it's legal. But um that's the

936
01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:05,199
question is is what what might be able
to be done? What what should be done? Is

937
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:10,799
it is it more of an education to to
parents to to students? Uh because the

938
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:15,839
the concern is growing as the volume the
number of students with ebikes is

939
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:21,359
growing. I drove up from city hall
yesterday up Fifth Street and there was

940
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:26,000
a youngster on an ebike at cuz they'll
go up to 20 miles per hour. So,

941
01:09:25,192 --> 01:09:30,880
[clears throat and cough]
>> I'll let you speak to it and then I'll

942
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:35,600
speak to it from Sister C's perspective.
>> Um I'm not super educated on the ebikes.

943
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:39,040
The issues that we've had in the past is
that um there's different

944
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:44,080
classifications.
>> Yeah. And some of them require each

945
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:48,239
classification allows a little bit more.
>> The manufacturers of these bikes do not

946
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,400
stamp them with the classification. So
unless you have the box that it came in,

947
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:55,679
it's pretty hard to determine what you
can from an enforcement standpoint what

948
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:58,320
you can and cannot do.
>> Right.

949
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:04,960
» Um and Vicki probably touched on this
here in a second, but there are cities

950
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:10,640
who have enacted legislation to further
restrict the use of ebikes. I think we

951
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:13,679
would fully support that. It's been oh
the last three years now that they've

952
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:17,120
become exceedingly popular and I think
they will continue to be

953
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,880
» the restriction would be under a certain
age.

954
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,640
» Well potentially yeah regardless of
classification

955
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
» correct
>> um

956
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,679
» okay
>> but [clears throat] see what others have

957
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:28,960
done have been vetted and so on and so
forth.

958
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,719
» Yeah and that's the only reason why I
raise it is just to get the conversation

959
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:37,840
started. I don't have any
recommendations at this point. This is a

960
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:44,640
hot topic among city administrators
because um SIMCOG just did a study, a

961
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:49,120
crash study. I asked about ebikes at
that crash study and they said, "Well,

962
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:54,320
they don't categorize them in any
category." So, they're not a motorcycle.

963
01:10:51,040 --> 01:11:00,719
They're not they're just a bicycle. Um
so, most of the cities are passing

964
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:05,120
ordinances to restrict it off sidewalks,
certain areas, those kinds of things.

965
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:10,400
What I would recommend to council is let
chief and I work on some data points and

966
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:15,199
we'll bring it back to council in the
October meeting. We can get some sample

967
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:20,320
ordinances. He can work with his
colleagues, see what they're doing in

968
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:26,480
their cities. Uh it is an issue. We've
got uh several groups that collectively

969
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:32,640
ride around town. Sometimes they're on
the sidewalks. Uh sometimes they're not.

970
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:39,120
Uh there's a group that rides from u the
center center of the city all the way

971
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:41,600
out to South Park um multiple times.
>> I've seen them on the golf course.

972
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:46,960
» Yes.
>> So I think the ebikes is something we

973
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:50,719
need to address and kind of get ahead of
it. But if you'll allow Chief Camp and I

974
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,120
to work through
>> Absolutely. And that that's what I told

975
01:11:52,480 --> 01:12:00,239
officer Snodgrass um was that that I
would raise it here so that we could do

976
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:02,800
something [clears throat] with with that
matter.

977
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:06,640
» He had some really good materials that
he shared with me that talked about the

978
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,640
classifications of of the bikes and
such.

979
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,360
» It's a month long enough to have that
discussion. So [clears throat and cough]

980
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,600
at the next work session
>> yeah I think we can at least gather

981
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,000
information and then start the dial.
>> So at least discussion we can ask more

982
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,320
questions.
>> Yes.

983
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,719
» Okay. Yeah, that I I mean I think that
so let's put that on the next work

984
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:27,840
session.
>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.

985
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:33,120
» Commissioner Deina,
>> I have nothing. No, sir.

986
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:37,600
» Um the charter commission. I have been
talking with citizens about the charter

987
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:42,640
commission. So I'm bling the page. Uh
what people are confused about is they

988
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:48,880
think this charter commission is our
next council, all 13 of them. So when if

989
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:52,320
we're a commission form of government
and then we're electing charter

990
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:56,880
commissioners, you can see how that may
be confusing. So what I would like to

991
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,719
do, and Mike and I have already talked
about this, you and I have not,

992
01:12:58,070 --> 01:13:04,400
[clears throat]
is refer to it in our public as a

993
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:08,000
charter committee with the understanding
so everyone understands, we set it out

994
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:12,640
there, but the when you start talking
about commissioners and okay, is it

995
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:16,800
these guys? Okay, we're electing more
commissioners. Let's refer to it as a

996
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:25,199
committee with one task and one task
only. I think that probably be a better

997
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:27,520
way to communicate it. Uh and uh see we
we've got a meeting tonight on that.

998
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,679
Correct.
>> This afternoon at 2:00.

999
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:34,080
» This afternoon.
>> That's the last uh scheduled charter.

1000
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,679
» 2:00.
>> Yeah.

1001
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,760
» Okay. Uh KY3, when are they going to run
the interview?

1002
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:43,520
» They did this morning. Yeah.
>> So the So that's already gonna Okay,

1003
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:48,080
good.
All right. I don't Nice work with

1004
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:51,920
everyone. I like the staff work, working
together, working as teams. It's paying

1005
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:56,440
dividends.
I don't have anything else. So,

1006
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:03,840
» umformational items.
>> Me, Andrew, Doug, uh Tessa Bunch.

1007
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,880
That's it.
>> Okay. Next regular city council meeting

1008
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:13,280
is Thursday, October 8th. We we're
already building a pretty sizable agenda

1009
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:19,040
for that one right here at the city
annex. And the our next work session

1010
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:23,760
will be Thursday, October 22nd at 9:30
a.m. here in this room. I have a motion

1011
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:27,120
to go into close session. My motion we
go into close session. Uh we'll convene

1012
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:32,400
in close session pursuing section
6.0.021.

1013
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:35,760
Um in attendance, please. Um Doug Poss
Tessa, who's not in the room, she

1014
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:39,199
» she'll be here at 11:00.
>> Okay. and our city clerk and our city

1015
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:44,239
administrator.
>> And I would just ask that um because of

1016
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:49,199
the technology that we need for this
room that we would hold close session in

1017
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:54,880
here. Any of the public that wants to
stay or staff if you'll use the small

1018
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:58,159
conference room.
>> Second call roll.

1019
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,080
» Mayor Renburg.
>> Yes.

1020
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:04,719
» Commissioner Gina. Hi.
>> Commissioner Ken Gaspar. Hi. All right.