1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:07,359 All right, it's six o'clock. Let's call the Mon Township Planning Commission of 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:13,679 August 11th to order. >> Start with the pledgece 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:18,920 to the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy 4 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:23,635 andice for all. [clears throat] 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,920 » All right, Kenny, you want to do the roll call? 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,880 Shab >> here. 7 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:35,120 » Walsh >> here. 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,320 » Schwitzer's here. Reader >> here. 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,520 » Beller >> here. 10 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,719 » Rosen >> here. 11 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:41,719 » Here. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,719 » All right. >> Make a motion to approve the agenda. 13 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:49,760 Support. >> The motion support. All in favor? 14 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:55,039 » I. >> Any opposed? All right. Motion carried. 15 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:58,039 » I'll make a motion to approve the credit. 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,039 We have a motion and support. All in favor? 17 00:01:02,239 --> 00:01:08,960 » I. >> Any opposed? All right. Motion carried. 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,200 » All right. We'd like to open it up to public comment. If there's anybody that 19 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:18,640 would like to step forward if you have anything you want to bring to us about 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:24,400 items on the agenda or you have three minutes, come up and let 21 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:28,759 us let us have what you've got. I was here last 22 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:04,719 What was your name again? >> Thank you. 23 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:09,320 » Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to come and speak during 24 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,320 public input? 25 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,840 » Oh, thank you. 26 00:02:14,931 --> 00:02:16,951 [laughter] 27 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:23,599 » Anybody else that wants to come forward and talk during public comment? 28 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,480 All right. Nobody else come forward. We'll close public comment, public 29 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:34,319 input, excuse me. All right. First on the agenda is items for consideration, 30 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:39,800 which is just what you were speaking about. 2832 Midland Road site plan 31 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,800 review. 32 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,959 Who wants to go first? Do you want to come up and speak to us? Do you want to 33 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:53,080 jump right in? Have you seen the comments? 34 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,080 » And you've been here several times, so 35 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:02,560 looking for what [laughter] 36 00:02:59,519 --> 00:03:07,920 » can my spot >> I can talk about it. Um, everybody 37 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,720 should have a copy of our report. I'd like to I'm happy to answer any 38 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:17,519 questions in the report. I'd like to bring you to page seven. 39 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:22,959 On page seven, our recommendation is to approve the special use permit and site 40 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:28,879 plan with following condition that the total lot or partial acreage be shown on 41 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:32,560 the plan and the proposed parking area be shown on the plan. There are other 42 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:37,760 optional things that the planning commission may consider but our 43 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:41,400 recommendation is to approve the project as submitted. 44 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:48,560 I'll give you some time to go through the letter if you have any questions. My 45 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,760 only question is maybe you can address this. 46 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,159 How, and I think we touched on this before. How are you disposing of uh 47 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:00,959 garbage? You don't you don't have a dumpster, so you're just doing the yard 48 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:05,640 waste bins or not yard waste, but garbage bins. 49 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 » Okay. 50 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,879 Again, 51 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:25,840 this fell under the adaptive use ordinance that was prepared. There's no 52 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:30,320 dumpster on site presently. So, guard disposal is going to be the property 53 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:34,720 owner's responsibility. There really isn't 54 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:40,720 a suitable great location to put a dumpster on site because it's a existing 55 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:45,680 site. So, It's going to be his responsibility to 56 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:49,840 either remove the garbage or get the dumpers and have it picked up by 57 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,400 garbage which he has to make his own 58 00:04:52,560 --> 00:05:00,199 arrangements because it's commercial property. So it is not just an automatic 59 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,199 thing. 60 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,600 These are all optional things. 61 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:17,440 » It's up to the planning commission, but they are optional things. I mean, in our 62 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:21,199 mind, they are not, you know, they're not urgent, but we 63 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,919 wanted to bring them to your attention. I mean, if they're important to the 64 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:27,840 planning commission. We wanted to make you aware of that. 65 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,600 » You said you didn't do anything different with lighting. Is that 66 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:31,680 correct? >> Correct. 67 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:36,919 » So, I've noticed there's the just the two lights on the side and then there's 68 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:06,639 Okay. So, we had talked about this with Justin since no new lighting proposed 69 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:11,039 really I think photometric plan was required. Same with the landscaping. 70 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:16,639 There's no new landscaping being proposed. We didn't think it was 71 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:21,440 necessary to to provide a landscaping plan. Again, remember this is an 72 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:29,199 existing site being reused under the adaptive use. So, 73 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:34,360 concessions are going to need to be made to make this a workable site. 74 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Okay, thank you. 75 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,840 » Any planning commission members have any questions? 76 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:10,639 I don't have any questions. I would make a motion that we approve this according 77 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:17,240 to the recommendation and the two prior to constru total square foot acres 78 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,240 that's easily 79 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:31,000 on the optional note prior construction provides three additional parking spaces 80 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,000 for all of those items. 81 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:39,080 So all all of the items under the note the optional. 82 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,080 » Yes. 83 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:49,520 » And just a comment, I've been by that building several times 84 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:55,120 and my last time was yesterday. Absolutely beautiful. 85 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:57,440 » What that building was what it is now. >> I agree. 86 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:01,199 » You done a fantastic job. >> Y 87 00:07:59,465 --> 00:08:03,360 » [laughter] >> where you're in the right. You're going 88 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:06,840 in the right direction. >> It looked beautiful. 89 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:11,280 » All right, we'll give Connie a minute to write the 90 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:16,080 » So, we're approving it with just these two requirements here. 91 00:08:14,479 --> 00:08:21,240 » Yep. There's a motion on Connie will read Connie will read it. She's going to 92 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:21,240 read it over for you. 93 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:31,080 » Um, so motion by reader supported by Waltz to approve the site plan. um 94 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:38,640 requiring items outlined in number one prior to 95 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:43,760 construction. They have to um do the total lot. I'll have it spelled out as 96 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:48,800 they do in Spicer and then waving the optional items as outlined in Spicer's 97 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,959 review. >> Got it. 98 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:56,451 » So, we have a motion. We have a second. You second that. Okay. 99 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,471 » All right. >> [laughter] 100 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:05,360 » All right. >> Ready? Yes. Um, 101 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,600 » Beller, >> yes. 102 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,880 » Rosenberg, >> yes. 103 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,080 » Walsh, >> yes. 104 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,200 » Reader, >> yes. 105 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,040 » Heckham, >> yes. 106 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,200 » Schweitzer, yes. Shabot, >> yes. 107 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,959 » Motion carried. Thank you, >> Justin. You had better attendance. 108 00:09:17,411 --> 00:09:25,800 [laughter] >> All right. Thank you very much. You can 109 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,800 stick around if you'd like to. 110 00:09:25,926 --> 00:09:27,946 » [laughter] 111 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:40,160 » All right. Next on our agenda is Bay AreD 112 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:44,040 4155 Monitor site plan review. Do we have somebody here? 113 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:56,480 » Hello everyone. I'm with engineering on behalf of 114 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:03,120 architects presenting tonight. So the project in front of you is a proposed 115 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:12,880 building addition to the existing bay site. Um the addition is 2524. 116 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:20,320 Um the addition will house additional classrooms and uh two bathrooms. 117 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:25,120 as they rework some of the existing floor plan. Um 118 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:31,480 the acite is 95.75 119 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,480 acres. Um 120 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:40,360 included with the addition of some of the existing parking lot to 121 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,360 the north of the addition 122 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:46,519 sidewalk area and two ADA comp. 123 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:56,720 Um, also along the south [snorts] end the addition is um fencing to fence 124 00:10:53,920 --> 00:11:02,800 off the existing playground area was there before 125 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:07,720 connectivity for that sidewalk as it goes around the um 126 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:16,200 lighting. There's no additional light for this. Just building 127 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,079 emergency lighting on the exterior 128 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,079 existing dumpster. 129 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,920 We did do a 130 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:47,079 parking survey of the total campus and we above the pool 131 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,079 owners for a minimum as well 132 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,720 with this change building. 133 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Uh we did get approval from commissioner that no addition 134 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,720 will be required for this. 135 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,639 We do have some landscaping 136 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,560 with some details along the north side of the 137 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:42,720 engineer regarding signage. So on the north of the building there's an 138 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:49,079 elevation that shows the sign that'll be similar size and style to the existing 139 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,079 signage building. 140 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:01,079 » Thank you. 141 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:09,200 have our engineering and our planning review. I'm happy to answer any 142 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:13,519 questions that you may have. I'm going to bring you to page 143 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:20,720 there's no page number, but it's the last page of the planning report. 144 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:25,360 Our recommendation tonight is to approve the proposed bay career center 145 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:29,920 expansion subject to the following conditions and those conditions are um 146 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:35,040 that the site plan show the property lines and dimensions of all the existing 147 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:38,800 proposed structure. These are these next are kind of optional. The planning 148 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:44,320 commission may approve the submitted landscaping plan um as an acceptable 149 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:48,240 alternative or require an updated plan that would meet the ordinance. Our 150 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,880 recommendation is to accept the plan as submitted 151 00:13:49,894 --> 00:13:56,000 [clears throat] and the other one is provide information on the proposed 152 00:13:52,320 --> 00:14:01,440 signage which been already talked about. So our recommendation tonight is to 153 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:07,160 approve the site plan as submitted with the one condition of adding the property 154 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,160 lines and dimensions. 155 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:14,800 » Can I can I ask you on here under see where I'm at? 156 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,120 » Yep. Yes. soil erosion erosion and sediment control permit. 157 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,679 » Yeah. >> Do they need that? 158 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:25,279 » I think that they should contact [clears throat] B County rain office and 159 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,120 make the county aware of it which I think they are and that's a 160 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,560 determination that needs to be made by their office. 161 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:34,320 » Okay. >> So, it's kind of a standing comment on 162 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,560 our part >> just so that 163 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,985 » so you're aware you're aware of it. >> Yeah. 164 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:43,839 » Okay. Okay. >> [clears throat] 165 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:47,600 » my feeling he's probably going to wave it, but but that's his fault, not not 166 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,360 ours. >> Okay. 167 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:58,079 » And again, I'm happy to answer your question. We've worked with Ben and the 168 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:02,480 ISD on this project for several months. We had a pre 169 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:08,399 planning commission meeting on this and they've met all the things we talked 170 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:12,425 about previously. >> All right. Does anybody I have 171 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,600 questions. [clears throat] 172 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,440 » Pardon me. >> We need to report on the fire 173 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,240 department. >> The fire department has reviewed and 174 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:25,839 approved the plan. They're proposing no additional hydrants. They're happy with 175 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:32,480 the the location of the fire hydrants. The water and sanitary sewer system on 176 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:38,399 site is private. It is not owned by the township. It's a private system 177 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:44,959 and the fire department is aware of it. They're the fire location. 178 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,959 They were part of the initial planning review. 179 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:54,240 » Anybody else have any questions? >> With that said, I'll make a 180 00:15:51,839 --> 00:16:01,519 recommendation that we approve. And I'd like to include the three bullet points. 181 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:05,519 » All right. All pre-inccluded. >> All pre-inccluded because I thought Don 182 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:09,720 said the option would be the landscaping. Okay. 183 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:16,800 All right, we have a motion on the floor. We'll give Connie a minute to 184 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:21,720 » We've got support. Give Connie a minute to write it. She'll read it back and 185 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:21,720 then we'll vote on it. 186 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:32,480 » Okay. Motion by Beller supported by sorry. Um motion by Beller supported by 187 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Reer to approve the site plan contingent on providing an updated site plan that 188 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:43,040 shows all property lines and dimensions of all existing proposed structures to 189 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:49,199 uh submit a landscaping plan um as an acceptable alternative and to provide 190 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:52,320 information on all proposed signage. >> We're actually accepting the submitted 191 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:59,519 landscaping. >> We are okay as alternative 192 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:03,959 » and then signage >> but that do we that's still 193 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:10,120 » so we don't need that. I don't think we need 194 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:15,799 it on the 195 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:23,280 dimensions and signage on the >> So you want the signage included in the 196 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:29,319 motion that we have to provide that. Okay. Okay. 197 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,319 All right. 198 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,720 » Beckham, >> yes. 199 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,240 » Reader, >> yes. 200 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,480 » Chad, >> yes. Welch, 201 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,760 » yes. >> Rosenberg, 202 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,799 » yes. >> Beller, 203 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:44,720 » yes. >> Ander, yes. Motion carried. 204 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:48,972 » All right. Thank you very much. >> Look at us just cruising right along. 205 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,992 » Yeah, we are. [laughter] 206 00:17:52,960 --> 00:18:02,400 » All right. Next on the agenda, man. Oh, boy. I'm gonna kill this name 207 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:08,600 here. The Royal Party Store on Westside Sagena Road. Site plan review. 208 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,600 Come forward. 209 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:21,160 » Yep. Come on in. >> Are Yeah, we're ready. Are you? 210 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,160 » Interior build. 211 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:48,200 structural expensive actually 212 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,000 minor exterior improvements 213 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:56,360 on the building 214 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,000 ended up being 215 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,480 my 216 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,240 creat. 217 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:39,320 Max. So flag 218 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:44,919 was a different 219 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,640 construction 220 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,200 barrier free. 221 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,360 emergency. 222 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:11,640 So we went back and he wanted us to cross 223 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:18,600 everything all 224 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,000 on it. It takes up space wherecific 225 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:49,520 standards. We [clears throat] 226 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:52,520 alternatively proposed to do some sidewalk. 227 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,360 exterior sidewalk. 228 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:20,799 They went through some 229 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:28,200 parking requirements based on size of the retail space 230 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:28,200 and some of the bathroom stuff. 231 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:33,000 parking spaces based on that 232 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,120 one 233 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,200 right now closest to the building 234 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,679 items. One of them was 235 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,559 parking spots 236 00:22:03,115 --> 00:22:05,135 » [clears throat] 237 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,919 » Every so often seven 238 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,039 spreading light. 239 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:46,039 How do you intend to deal with um like we brought it before the garbage is do 240 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,039 you have a dumpster on site? 241 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,799 Mhm. 242 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,559 » Okay. 243 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:25,720 So, did you say you you have ADA compliant parking spots? 244 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,720 » Yes. 245 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,799 And you've been working closely with our um building official, correct? 246 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,799 » Okay. >> Yeah. 247 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,559 Okay. 248 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:24,240 » All right. Thank you. Thank you. >> Don, 249 00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:32,159 » again, you've got our planning and our engineering review. This project kind of 250 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:37,200 has some history to it in that um The previous building inspector, Dave 251 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Crow, issued a building permit and work has been done on the building. When Carl 252 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,600 became the new building inspector and discovered that there was work being 253 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:50,320 done outside, Carl wanted it to go through safe plan approval and that's 254 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,919 how we kind of got here today. We've been working with the architect and the 255 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,880 owner. They complied with most of the requirements. Again, this is an existing 256 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:03,679 site, so it's again an adaptive use. It's the old Danny's Market, if you 257 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:08,720 will. Um, when you look at the site, there really isn't any space available 258 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:14,240 for dumpster. There really isn't any space that's allowable for landscaping. 259 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,919 The owner has agreed to putting some flower 260 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:26,159 pots out in front. They do meet the parking requirements. They do did 261 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:31,200 provide an 88 uh parking space. I'm going to bring you to the last page 262 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:37,440 of our site plan approval letter and our recommendation is to approve um the site 263 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:44,080 plan um with two conditions that the site 264 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:51,760 plan identify dimensions and lab right away and that the prior to construction 265 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:56,080 information be required on wall sign. Again, the wall sign is something that 266 00:25:53,520 --> 00:26:03,279 the planning commission typically reviews and approves. The other optional 267 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:08,720 items are not critical. We wanted to bring them to your attention. You know, 268 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:15,200 our feeling is that they can be again waved because this is a an adaptive use. 269 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:19,600 It's repurposing an existing site and there's very limited things that they 270 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:24,240 can do. Again, I think from our previous discussion, the planning commission is 271 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:30,240 eager to see these existing buildings being repurposed 272 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:35,279 and not left vac. So with that, when we did the ordinance, we agreed and 273 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:39,679 understood that there'd have to be some give. 274 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:44,880 So our recommendation is to approve it with the two additional requirements. 275 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,240 Again, I'm happy to answer any questions. 276 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:54,400 » I have a question for engineer and [snorts] owner. Your 277 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:58,240 proposed wall signage or signage is this going to be illuminated signage because 278 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:04,400 I know there's a residence to your direct south and there is one to the 279 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:10,360 north of you as well on that corner. So, we want to make sure that we're not 280 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,360 blinding our neighbors. We've had that 281 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,840 sign 282 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,159 in the front. 283 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,559 » Is it going to be like a digital sign that scrolls or just a sign with the 284 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:30,400 name and then light? >> It'll be attached to the building. 285 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,400 » Okay. 286 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:43,080 Yes, we want to see that sign 287 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,559 in the original plan was in the M right 288 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:59,440 in the right. >> Yeah. On this concrete area. 289 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,440 » Yes. 290 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,000 We shared that right away. 291 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,320 » All right. 292 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720 » All right. 293 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:32,000 » All right. Any any questions from the planning commission? I notice on here 294 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,360 that the fire department is requesting to walk through prior to opening. 295 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,240 » Anyways, you want to walk through and make sure everything's good before you 296 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,399 open. >> I think that'll be 297 00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:47,399 that. 298 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:55,520 » I have a note also from Carl that he would like to reiterate that all the 299 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,919 just because if you get um approval here tonight. You still have to 300 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:04,340 follow all the building codes. So, you still have to deal with Carl, [laughter] 301 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:13,520 » which I believe I believe >> I believe. Yes, you have been. Yes. 302 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:18,960 » So, you continue to deal with Carl. >> Good. Well, so do we. 303 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,960 » Does anybody else have any questions here? 304 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Can we include the walk through by the fire department since they actually 305 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,000 wrote it right in? 306 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,360 » Yes. Yes, 307 00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:05,799 » those were two that came to me specifically. So, 308 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,799 » so what I'm sorry, what what 309 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,720 » Yeah, right. [laughter] >> That's what he said. 310 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:34,000 Okay. So, we have a motion by Beller supported by Reader to approve the site 311 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:38,399 plan contingent that prior to construction, a final site plan that 312 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:44,480 identifies dimensions and label all public road rightway lines provided and 313 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:50,559 providing um information required by section 15.05A 314 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:55,520 for the proposed wall sign waving optional 315 00:30:53,679 --> 00:31:00,320 conditions as outlined in Spicer's review. Is that correct? Okay. And then 316 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:05,440 they must also comply with all building codes and obtain all necessary permits 317 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,791 » and the walkthrough >> and fire department [clears throat] 318 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,360 » prior to opening. 319 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:23,840 All right. >> Reader, 320 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,200 » yes. >> Walsh, 321 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,360 » yes. >> Rosenbra, 322 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,919 » yes. >> Yes. 323 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200 » Yes. Shadwick, >> yes. 324 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,080 » And >> yes. 325 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,080 » Motion carry. 326 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,760 » Thank you very much. 327 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,506 » Now you just have to deal with Carl. [laughter] 328 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:53,240 » All right. Let me flip here. Where are we? 329 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:09,440 » Okay. Next on the agenda is in his presence ministries 330 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:12,440 4521 Monitor Road site plan review. >> Hello 331 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Virginia 332 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,799 and I didn't mean to causeus. 333 00:32:36,507 --> 00:32:38,527 [laughter] 334 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:48,600 Just metal warehouse building 335 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,519 took down took down. 336 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:19,880 You have a large building on site already, right? And there was another 337 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,880 smaller one that you took down. 338 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,600 » Okay. Done. Want to weigh in? 339 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,600 » Sure. You can take a breather for a second. 340 00:33:49,868 --> 00:33:54,559 [laughter] >> You can you can come up and talk to us 341 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:58,438 if you'd like. Would you like to? >> Okay. 342 00:33:56,418 --> 00:33:58,438 [laughter] 343 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:07,360 » Again, this this you have our memo review. This project again has some 344 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:14,399 history. Um, it was submitted back in November of 2024 345 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:24,000 with a lot of recommendations to deny it because of of ongoing issues. Um, and 346 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:30,320 because it came before it came to Carl and Amy as a site review, they're 347 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:36,079 proposing to add a new building. You have our engineering report. adding 348 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:44,639 no water, no sewer to the site. Our recommendation is to approve 349 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:48,159 um approve the site plan submitted with clarificate with two things 350 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:53,280 clarification of proposed parking lot expansion and I think the gist of it is 351 00:34:50,879 --> 00:35:00,800 proposing a whole lot more parking on the site and we don't understand why and 352 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:06,560 then submit the required building 353 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,560 for the top of prior construction 354 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,720 parking and I don't know if you want to address the additional parking 355 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,960 » addition 356 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:32,000 to things. >> Well, that's what confused us because 357 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,000 the plan still showed additional parking. So, we were very confused on 358 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,040 why this building. >> So, are you are are you in fact adding 359 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:46,640 parking or no? Oh, you're not. >> I mean, I don't see that at all. 360 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:50,119 » We don't either. And that's what confused us. 361 00:35:53,839 --> 00:36:01,920 » Yeah. >> So, based on that, you know, we would 362 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:08,640 again recommend approval. Um again, all it needs is updated. 363 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:13,200 Well, a building permit and building 364 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:18,359 official to get necessary approval for the plan and building 365 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,560 now. >> So, this building is going to go 366 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,800 » right >> on the north end. Is that correct? 367 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:39,000 » Correct. by the 368 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000 » Okay. 369 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,280 » near the other storage building. >> Yes. 370 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:52,400 » Okay. >> Eight feet away. Can I ask So, so when 371 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,520 So, when we get these in, we all drive by the site and we get to look at 372 00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,680 different things. Can I ask about your dumpster in the back? Do you have plans 373 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,680 for your dumpster in the back? Yes, 374 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:18,640 » the the only reason I ask is in our ordinance we have qualifications for 375 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:23,359 dumpsters and um I noticed that yours was just sitting out there. It's not 376 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:28,640 that it's unusual. There are other areas at our 377 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:36,320 township that have that, but we usually recommend that they're enclosed 378 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:43,119 um or at least surrounded three ways by by fencing. 379 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,720 Um and I think the issue is, you know, I don't know what the previous site plan 380 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:51,520 requirements were, but there is a dumpster on site not have an enclosure. 381 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:57,440 If it was submitted today, you'd be required to put an enclosure on it. 382 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:02,960 Enclosure could be a stock could be concrete block 383 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,119 when you go out a dumpster. 384 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:11,480 And I think that's what 385 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,119 » if if you came 386 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,440 Yes. >> Again, we didn't we didn't make the 387 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,480 comment because we're just adding an accessory building. 388 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,839 » And sometimes and you know, sometimes when when you've got 389 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,440 I mean, you probably had the dumpster sitting there forever. You don't even 390 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:46,320 see it anymore because it's been sitting there forever. I thought I'd bring it to 391 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:50,880 your attention. If if you do anything bigger, it's going 392 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,800 to prompt you to do something with the dumpster. But aesthetically, if you're 393 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:02,361 doing stuff, you might want to consider that in the future. It just looks 394 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,361 » I mean, it's a dumpster, but [laughter] 395 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,400 » just so it's on your radar. 396 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:15,160 building you're building 397 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200 access 398 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:40,359 » gravel. 399 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:53,560 All right. Thank you. >> All right. Does anybody have any 400 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,560 questions here? 401 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,720 So, we'reing no additional parking. 402 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:13,440 » Was that left over from the last? >> That must have been left over from the 403 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,440 last, >> right? 404 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:25,599 » I'll make a support. 405 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,160 » All right, we've got a motion to approve. 406 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,880 Are you putting any stipulations on that? That's 407 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,880 » it. 408 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,480 » No additional parking. 409 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,960 » Okay. So, it's motion by reader supported by Rosenberg to approve the 410 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,800 site plan contingent on submitting all required building and trade permits to 411 00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:01,160 the township prior to construction and no additional parking is required. 412 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,880 So, roll call vote. Uh, Reer, >> yes. 413 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,560 » Peekom, >> yes. 414 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,760 » Rosenbra, >> yes. 415 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040 » Beller, >> yes. 416 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,119 » Walsh, >> yes. 417 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:18,920 » Schwitzer, yes. Shadwitt, >> yes. 418 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920 » Motion carries. 419 00:41:19,203 --> 00:41:21,223 [laughter] 420 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,240 » Where else can you have this much fun >> for nothing? 421 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200 » All right. Thank you. 422 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:38,480 Wow. >> I know. I thought 423 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:42,560 » I think we all deserve a gold star. >> But before we get that quick, 424 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:47,280 » it's taken us a lot of work, a lot of working 425 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:54,640 to get them where we're at. And I'm sorry, 426 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:59,240 but we put serious effort into this mostly because the application 427 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,240 submitted. 428 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:06,960 » Well, this went very nice. >> So, I like it. We didn't have paperwork 429 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,440 at our desk. >> Come back. [laughter] 430 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,920 » You make that phone call. You call and ask him to come back. 431 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,040 » We had a hard time convincing that 432 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:25,280 him saying just because it's been like this for 76 years was an excuse to allow 433 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:29,119 it to happen or continue to happen. That was his that was his answer to all the 434 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:33,119 questions. >> Yes. 435 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:38,960 » You just can't live with that answer. >> Okay. So, we have some unfinished 436 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:42,160 business which is the data centers. >> Don, 437 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:46,319 » so I think you have a copy of the draft ordinance. I'm not really prepared to go 438 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:51,839 through the whole thing. I talked with Amy. Mike can be here at the next 439 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:58,800 planning commission meeting and we can go through it page by page. But I am 440 00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:04,319 here to either take your comments, your questions, and try to get some answers 441 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,800 to them. Again, there's a moratorum. We're not in a hurry. We've got plenty 442 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,680 of time. >> When does our moratorium expire? Is it 443 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:13,400 February? >> I think it was like February. 444 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:19,200 » So, we've We're not in a rush. 445 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:22,800 » Oh, February. >> It was going to go on the agenda every 446 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,480 meeting until it's on the agenda again tonight. You 447 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,839 know, again, I just want to make sure you guys had to look through it, got 448 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:37,359 your questions answered, you know, and that we're we're getting to where we 449 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:41,839 need to be. This ordinance is very similar to other ordinances that Mike 450 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:48,000 has been working on with other communities. So, this is not 451 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:52,880 brand new off the top of his head ordinance. 452 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:56,640 » I think it makes sense for us to review it, provide any comments, and then we 453 00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,079 can be prepared to discuss it further next month. 454 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,520 » Does anybody have anything right now that they that he that you want Don to 455 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:08,520 send back to Mike to start thinking about? 456 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,160 Mike is on vacation next week. 457 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:26,000 » So that being said, we had also talked about are you going to be at future 458 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,000 meetings? >> Oh, 459 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:42,000 I am not under the impression that it's a 460 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:46,240 decision by me alone. I believe that that's something that we 461 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:52,079 all have to decide, but I know it's something that we discussed. 462 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:57,520 » Well, I would hope that Don usually gives some pretty good 463 00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:05,040 advice, but uh I think if we get the information early enough and that we see 464 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:08,960 that we're we should have some legal counsel, 465 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,400 then we should. But that's going to be pretty tough to do. We 466 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:19,160 like this come out on Thursday and I'm not faulting anybody that it happens on 467 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,160 Thursday 468 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:27,680 in case >> I agree with what you're saying. 469 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:33,680 » I think there's in my opinion I think there's value in having you here. 470 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:37,359 » Um and if we decide that we want to wait and see what's on the agenda, Bill makes 471 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,440 a good point. We don't get our information until sometimes Thursday. 472 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:48,480 The office isn't open on Friday. So that gives you, you know, Monday's notice to 473 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:52,240 if we want you here or not. And that's if everybody can pick up their packet 474 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:58,160 and review it over the weekend. I think it makes it tough. But that's just my 475 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:03,359 » a little bit of my thought is I think it really depends on what's on the agenda 476 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:08,560 and if they're ordinance related that we work very close with Kevin on the 477 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:12,720 ordinance probably valuable that he's here. If it's simply site plan reviews 478 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:18,319 and approvals, you know, I don't it doesn't seem like 479 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:21,680 we're going to get into legal questions. Those become planning engineering 480 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,960 questions. when it comes to the ordinance, those 481 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:32,640 are legal questions and we're not as prepared to speak legally as 482 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:37,040 » So, as far as working on the data center between now and February, there's 483 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,880 probably some value in having you here and and it that gives us a chance to get 484 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,440 to know you >> and you get to know us and then maybe we 485 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,680 can revisit whether you attend after that or not. 486 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,319 » Yeah. So for a lot of my other communities what happens is that's 487 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,440 exactly right. Let's say the data set ordinance was not on this agenda. 488 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:05,400 Typically I don't show those questions 489 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:21,160 that typically take a recess call me on the phone. question 490 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,800 doesn't happen very 491 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,800 schools regulated by local 492 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:45,760 exactly so you know that's my recommendation coming from me if it's 493 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,880 strictly site plan review you really don't need me if it's Walmart 494 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:51,599 maybe. >> Yeah, 495 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,599 » let's face it. That's a little different animal. 496 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:19,480 That's fine. You call me Monday. I'm here. It's on my calendar. So it 497 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,480 doesn't 498 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,640 » as a question. 499 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,079 » Is that just a courtesy to us why they were here? 500 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,319 sit here. >> Yeah. 501 00:48:59,018 --> 00:49:01,038 [laughter] 502 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:11,920 All right, >> I'll make that motion. 503 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:17,359 » You can support it. He made it. >> Oh, he got it before you. All right, we 504 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:20,880 have a motion and support. All in favor? >> Any opposed? 505 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,760 » All right, motion carried. We are >> great. 506 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:26,079 » That's a huge surprise. I thought we'd be here.