[0:00] All right, it's six o'clock. Let's call
the Mon Township Planning Commission of
[0:05] August 11th to order.
>> Start with the pledgece
[0:10] to the United States of America and to
the republic for it stands nationy
[0:19] andice for all.
[clears throat]
[0:24] » All right, Kenny, you want to do the
roll call?
[0:30] Shab
>> here.
[0:32] » Walsh
>> here.
[0:33] » Schwitzer's here. Reader
>> here.
[0:35] » Beller
>> here.
[0:36] » Rosen
>> here.
[0:38] » Here.
[0:41] » All right.
>> Make a motion to approve the agenda.
[0:44] Support.
>> The motion support. All in favor?
[0:49] » I.
>> Any opposed? All right. Motion carried.
[0:52] » I'll make a motion to approve the
credit.
[0:59] We have a motion and support. All in
favor?
[1:02] » I.
>> Any opposed? All right. Motion carried.
[1:07] » All right. We'd like to open it up to
public comment. If there's anybody that
[1:11] would like to step forward if you have
anything you want to bring to us about
[1:15] items on the agenda or
you have three minutes, come up and let
[1:21] us let us have what you've got.
I was here last
[1:57] What was your name again?
>> Thank you.
[2:02] » Thank you. Is there anybody else that
would like to come and speak during
[2:06] public input?
[2:09] » Oh, thank you.
[2:14] [laughter]
[2:17] » Anybody else that wants to come forward
and talk during public comment?
[2:22] All right. Nobody else come forward.
We'll close public comment, public
[2:25] input, excuse me. All right. First on
the agenda is items for consideration,
[2:32] which is just what you were speaking
about. 2832 Midland Road site plan
[2:36] review.
[2:40] Who wants to go first? Do you want to
come up and speak to us? Do you want to
[2:45] jump right in? Have you seen the
comments?
[2:48] » And you've been here several times, so
[2:55] looking for what
[laughter]
[2:59] » can my spot
>> I can talk about it. Um, everybody
[3:05] should have a copy of our report. I'd
like to I'm happy to answer any
[3:10] questions in the report. I'd like to
bring you to page seven.
[3:15] On page seven, our recommendation is to
approve the special use permit and site
[3:19] plan with following condition that the
total lot or partial acreage be shown on
[3:26] the plan and the proposed parking area
be shown on the plan. There are other
[3:31] optional things that the planning
commission may consider but our
[3:35] recommendation is to approve the project
as submitted.
[3:42] I'll give you some time to go through
the letter if you have any questions. My
[3:47] only question is maybe you can address
this.
[3:50] How, and I think we touched on this
before. How are you disposing of uh
[3:54] garbage? You don't you don't have a
dumpster, so you're just doing the yard
[3:58] waste bins or not yard waste, but
garbage bins.
[4:02] » Okay.
[4:10] Again,
[4:18] this fell under the adaptive use
ordinance that was prepared. There's no
[4:22] dumpster on site presently. So, guard
disposal is going to be the property
[4:28] owner's responsibility. There really
isn't
[4:32] a suitable great location to put a
dumpster on site because it's a existing
[4:37] site. So,
It's going to be his responsibility to
[4:42] either remove the garbage or
get the dumpers and have it picked up by
[4:48] garbage
which he has to make his own
[4:52] arrangements because it's commercial
property. So it is not just an automatic
[4:57] thing.
[5:06] These are all optional things.
[5:10] » It's up to the planning commission, but
they are optional things. I mean, in our
[5:14] mind, they are not,
you know, they're not urgent, but we
[5:19] wanted to bring them to your attention.
I mean, if they're important to the
[5:22] planning commission. We wanted to make
you aware of that.
[5:26] » You said you didn't do anything
different with lighting. Is that
[5:29] correct?
>> Correct.
[5:29] » So, I've noticed there's the just the
two lights on the side and then there's
[5:58] Okay. So, we had talked about this with
Justin since no new lighting proposed
[6:04] really I think photometric plan was
required. Same with the landscaping.
[6:09] There's no new landscaping being
proposed. We didn't think it was
[6:12] necessary to to provide a landscaping
plan. Again, remember this is an
[6:18] existing site being
reused under the adaptive use. So,
[6:27] concessions are going to need to be made
to make this a workable site.
[6:53] Okay, thank you.
[6:58] » Any planning commission members have any
questions?
[7:01] I don't have any questions. I would make
a motion that we approve this according
[7:06] to the recommendation and the two
prior to constru total square foot acres
[7:13] that's easily
[7:18] on the optional note prior construction
provides three additional parking spaces
[7:26] for all of those items.
[7:32] So all all of the items under the note
the optional.
[7:36] » Yes.
[7:40] » And just a comment, I've been by that
building several times
[7:45] and my last time was yesterday.
Absolutely beautiful.
[7:51] » What that building was what it is now.
>> I agree.
[7:55] » You done a fantastic job.
>> Y
[7:59] » [laughter]
>> where you're in the right. You're going
[8:02] in the right direction.
>> It looked beautiful.
[8:07] » All right, we'll give Connie a minute to
write the
[8:09] » So, we're approving it with just these
two requirements here.
[8:14] » Yep. There's a motion on Connie will
read Connie will read it. She's going to
[8:17] read it over for you.
[8:22] » Um, so motion by reader supported by
Waltz to approve the site plan. um
[8:31] requiring
items outlined in number one prior to
[8:35] construction. They have to um do the
total lot. I'll have it spelled out as
[8:41] they do in Spicer and then waving the
optional items as outlined in Spicer's
[8:46] review.
>> Got it.
[8:49] » So, we have a motion. We have a second.
You second that. Okay.
[8:53] » All right.
>> [laughter]
[9:00] » All right.
>> Ready? Yes. Um,
[9:04] » Beller,
>> yes.
[9:06] » Rosenberg,
>> yes.
[9:08] » Walsh,
>> yes.
[9:09] » Reader,
>> yes.
[9:10] » Heckham,
>> yes.
[9:11] » Schweitzer, yes. Shabot,
>> yes.
[9:13] » Motion carried. Thank you,
>> Justin. You had better attendance.
[9:17] [laughter]
>> All right. Thank you very much. You can
[9:21] stick around if you'd like to.
[9:25] » [laughter]
[9:29] » All right.
Next on our agenda is Bay AreD
[9:35] 4155 Monitor site plan review.
Do we have somebody here?
[9:47] » Hello everyone. I'm with engineering
on behalf of
[9:54] architects presenting tonight. So the
project in front of you is a proposed
[9:59] building addition to the existing bay
site. Um the addition is 2524.
[10:08] Um the addition will house additional
classrooms and uh two bathrooms.
[10:18] as they rework some of the existing
floor plan. Um
[10:23] the acite
is 95.75
[10:27] acres. Um
[10:31] included with the addition
of some of the existing parking lot to
[10:36] the north of the addition
[10:40] sidewalk area and two ADA comp.
[10:46] Um, also along the south [snorts]
end the addition is um fencing to fence
[10:53] off the existing playground area was
there before
[10:59] connectivity for that sidewalk as it
goes around the um
[11:08] lighting. There's no additional light
for this. Just building
[11:16] emergency lighting on the exterior
[11:25] existing dumpster.
[11:31] We did do a
[11:35] parking survey of the total campus and
we above the pool
[11:42] owners for a minimum as well
[11:47] with this change building.
[11:54] Uh we did get approval from commissioner
that no addition
[11:59] will be required for this.
[12:13] We do have some landscaping
[12:17] with some details along the north side
of the
[12:33] engineer regarding signage. So on the
north of the building there's an
[12:39] elevation that shows the sign that'll be
similar size and style to the existing
[12:45] signage building.
[12:57] » Thank you.
[13:02] have our engineering and our planning
review. I'm happy to answer any
[13:07] questions that you may have. I'm going
to bring you to page
[13:12] there's no page number, but it's the
last page of the planning report.
[13:16] Our recommendation tonight is to
approve the proposed bay career center
[13:23] expansion subject to the following
conditions and those conditions are um
[13:28] that the site plan show the property
lines and dimensions of all the existing
[13:31] proposed structure. These are these next
are kind of optional. The planning
[13:36] commission may approve the submitted
landscaping plan um as an acceptable
[13:42] alternative or require an updated plan
that would meet the ordinance. Our
[13:46] recommendation is to accept the plan as
submitted
[13:49] [clears throat] and the other one is
provide information on the proposed
[13:52] signage which been already talked about.
So our recommendation tonight is to
[13:58] approve the site plan as submitted with
the one condition of adding the property
[14:03] lines and dimensions.
[14:07] » Can I can I ask you on here under
see where I'm at?
[14:12] » Yep. Yes. soil erosion erosion and
sediment control permit.
[14:16] » Yeah.
>> Do they need that?
[14:19] » I think that they should contact
[clears throat] B County rain office and
[14:23] make the county aware of it which I
think they are and that's a
[14:26] determination that needs to be made by
their office.
[14:30] » Okay.
>> So, it's kind of a standing comment on
[14:32] our part
>> just so that
[14:35] » so you're aware you're aware of it.
>> Yeah.
[14:38] » Okay. Okay.
>> [clears throat]
[14:41] » my feeling he's probably going to wave
it, but but that's his fault, not not
[14:47] ours.
>> Okay.
[14:50] » And again, I'm happy to answer your
question. We've worked with Ben and the
[14:54] ISD on this project for several months.
We had a pre
[15:00] planning commission meeting on this and
they've met all the things we talked
[15:05] about previously.
>> All right. Does anybody I have
[15:09] questions.
[clears throat]
[15:12] » Pardon me.
>> We need to report on the fire
[15:14] department.
>> The fire department has reviewed and
[15:17] approved the plan. They're proposing no
additional hydrants. They're happy with
[15:22] the the location of the fire hydrants.
The water and sanitary sewer system on
[15:28] site is private. It is not owned by the
township. It's a private system
[15:36] and the fire department is aware of it.
They're the fire location.
[15:42] They were part of the initial planning
review.
[15:48] » Anybody else have any questions?
>> With that said, I'll make a
[15:51] recommendation that we approve. And I'd
like to include the three bullet points.
[15:58] » All right. All pre-inccluded.
>> All pre-inccluded because I thought Don
[16:03] said the option would be the
landscaping. Okay.
[16:09] All right, we have a motion on the
floor. We'll give Connie a minute to
[16:14] » We've got support. Give Connie a minute
to write it. She'll read it back and
[16:18] then we'll vote on it.
[16:22] » Okay. Motion by Beller supported by
sorry. Um motion by Beller supported by
[16:29] Reer to approve the site plan contingent
on providing an updated site plan that
[16:34] shows all property lines and dimensions
of all existing proposed structures to
[16:40] uh submit a landscaping plan um as an
acceptable alternative and to provide
[16:45] information on all proposed signage.
>> We're actually accepting the submitted
[16:51] landscaping.
>> We are okay as alternative
[16:55] » and then signage
>> but that do we that's still
[17:05] » so we don't need that. I don't think we
need
[17:12] it on the
[17:16] dimensions and signage on the
>> So you want the signage included in the
[17:21] motion that we have to provide that.
Okay. Okay.
[17:26] All right.
[17:30] » Beckham,
>> yes.
[17:32] » Reader,
>> yes.
[17:33] » Chad,
>> yes. Welch,
[17:36] » yes.
>> Rosenberg,
[17:37] » yes.
>> Beller,
[17:38] » yes.
>> Ander, yes. Motion carried.
[17:41] » All right. Thank you very much.
>> Look at us just cruising right along.
[17:46] » Yeah, we are.
[laughter]
[17:52] » All right. Next on the agenda,
man. Oh, boy. I'm gonna kill this name
[17:59] here. The Royal Party Store on Westside
Sagena Road. Site plan review.
[18:05] Come forward.
[18:13] » Yep. Come on in.
>> Are Yeah, we're ready. Are you?
[18:33] » Interior build.
[18:41] structural
expensive actually
[18:48] minor exterior improvements
[18:53] on the building
[19:05] ended up being
[19:10] my
[19:14] creat.
[19:32] Max.
So flag
[19:41] was a different
[19:48] construction
[19:58] barrier free.
[20:01] emergency.
[20:04] So we went back and he wanted us to
cross
[20:12] everything
all
[20:28] on it. It takes up space wherecific
[20:42] standards.
We [clears throat]
[20:46] alternatively proposed to do some
sidewalk.
[21:04] exterior sidewalk.
[21:12] They went through
some
[21:17] parking requirements based on size of
the retail space
[21:24] and some of the bathroom stuff.
[21:28] parking spaces based on that
[21:35] one
[21:38] right now closest to the building
[21:52] items. One of them was
[21:59] parking spots
[22:03] » [clears throat]
[22:09] » Every so often
seven
[22:26] spreading light.
[22:36] How do you intend to deal with um like
we brought it before the garbage is do
[22:42] you have a dumpster on site?
[23:00] Mhm.
[23:06] » Okay.
[23:17] So, did you say you you have ADA
compliant parking spots?
[23:22] » Yes.
[23:41] And you've been working closely with our
um building official, correct?
[23:45] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[24:10] Okay.
[24:15] » All right. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Don,
[24:22] » again, you've got our planning and our
engineering review. This project kind of
[24:26] has some history to it in that um
The previous building inspector, Dave
[24:34] Crow, issued a building permit and work
has been done on the building. When Carl
[24:40] became the new building inspector and
discovered that there was work being
[24:43] done outside, Carl wanted it to go
through safe plan approval and that's
[24:48] how we kind of got here today. We've
been working with the architect and the
[24:52] owner. They complied with most of the
requirements. Again, this is an existing
[24:56] site, so it's again an adaptive use.
It's the old Danny's Market, if you
[25:00] will. Um, when you look at the site,
there really isn't any space available
[25:06] for dumpster. There really isn't any
space that's allowable for landscaping.
[25:12] The
owner has agreed to putting some flower
[25:16] pots out in front. They do meet the
parking requirements. They do did
[25:22] provide an 88 uh parking space.
I'm going to bring you to the last page
[25:27] of our site plan approval letter and our
recommendation is to approve um the site
[25:35] plan
um with two conditions that the site
[25:41] plan identify dimensions and lab right
away and that the prior to construction
[25:48] information be required on wall sign.
Again, the wall sign is something that
[25:53] the planning commission typically
reviews and approves. The other optional
[25:59] items are not critical. We wanted to
bring them to your attention. You know,
[26:05] our feeling is that they can be again
waved because this is a an adaptive use.
[26:12] It's repurposing an existing site and
there's very limited things that they
[26:17] can do. Again, I think from our previous
discussion, the planning commission is
[26:21] eager to see these existing buildings
being repurposed
[26:26] and not left vac. So with that, when we
did the ordinance, we agreed and
[26:32] understood that there'd have to be some
give.
[26:37] So our recommendation is to approve it
with the two additional requirements.
[26:43] Again, I'm happy to answer any
questions.
[26:46] » I have a question for
engineer and [snorts] owner. Your
[26:51] proposed wall signage or signage is this
going to be illuminated signage because
[26:56] I know there's a residence to your
direct south and there is one to the
[27:01] north of you as well on that corner. So,
we want to make sure that we're not
[27:05] blinding our neighbors. We've had that
[27:11] sign
[27:15] in the front.
[27:19] » Is it going to be like a digital sign
that scrolls or just a sign with the
[27:23] name and then light?
>> It'll be attached to the building.
[27:28] » Okay.
[27:36] Yes, we want to see that sign
[27:45] in the original plan was in the M right
[27:52] in the right.
>> Yeah. On this concrete area.
[27:56] » Yes.
[28:00] We shared that right away.
[28:12] » All right.
[28:20] » All right.
[28:25] » All right. Any any questions from the
planning commission? I notice on here
[28:29] that the fire department is requesting
to walk through prior to opening.
[28:37] » Anyways, you want to walk through and
make sure everything's good before you
[28:41] open.
>> I think that'll be
[28:44] that.
[28:47] » I have a note also from Carl that he
would like to reiterate that all the
[28:53] just because if you get um
approval here tonight. You still have to
[28:58] follow all the building codes. So, you
still have to deal with Carl, [laughter]
[29:05] » which I believe I believe
>> I believe. Yes, you have been. Yes.
[29:10] » So, you continue to deal with Carl.
>> Good. Well, so do we.
[29:17] » Does anybody else have any questions
here?
[29:32] Can we include the walk through by the
fire department since they actually
[29:35] wrote it right in?
[29:51] » Yes.
Yes,
[29:55] » those were two that came to me
specifically. So,
[30:00] » so what I'm sorry, what what
[30:13] » Yeah, right. [laughter]
>> That's what he said.
[30:27] Okay. So, we have a motion by Beller
supported by Reader to approve the site
[30:31] plan contingent that prior to
construction, a final site plan that
[30:36] identifies dimensions and label all
public road rightway lines provided and
[30:41] providing um information required by
section 15.05A
[30:47] for the
proposed wall sign waving optional
[30:53] conditions as outlined in Spicer's
review. Is that correct? Okay. And then
[30:58] they must also comply with all building
codes and obtain all necessary permits
[31:04] » and the walkthrough
>> and fire department [clears throat]
[31:10] » prior to opening.
[31:20] All right.
>> Reader,
[31:22] » yes.
>> Walsh,
[31:24] » yes.
>> Rosenbra,
[31:26] » yes.
>> Yes.
[31:28] » Yes. Shadwick,
>> yes.
[31:30] » And
>> yes.
[31:31] » Motion carry.
[31:35] » Thank you very much.
[31:39] » Now you just have to deal with Carl.
[laughter]
[31:46] » All right. Let me flip here.
Where are we?
[31:58] » Okay. Next on the agenda is in his
presence ministries
[32:04] 4521 Monitor Road site plan review.
>> Hello
[32:15] Virginia
[32:25] and I didn't mean to causeus.
[32:36] [laughter]
[32:43] Just metal warehouse building
[33:06] took down took down.
[33:12] You have a large building on site
already, right? And there was another
[33:16] smaller one that you took down.
[33:32] » Okay.
Done. Want to weigh in?
[33:37] » Sure. You can take a breather for a
second.
[33:49] [laughter]
>> You can you can come up and talk to us
[33:52] if you'd like. Would you like to?
>> Okay.
[33:56] [laughter]
[33:58] » Again, this this you have our memo
review. This project again has some
[34:04] history. Um, it was submitted back in
November of 2024
[34:11] with a lot of recommendations to deny it
because of of ongoing issues. Um, and
[34:18] because it came before it came to Carl
and Amy as a site review, they're
[34:27] proposing to add a new building.
You have our engineering report. adding
[34:32] no water, no sewer to the site. Our
recommendation is to approve
[34:38] um approve the site plan submitted
with clarificate with two things
[34:46] clarification of proposed parking lot
expansion and I think the gist of it is
[34:50] proposing a whole lot more parking on
the site and we don't understand why and
[34:57] then submit the required
building
[35:02] for the top of prior construction
[35:14] parking and I don't know if you want to
address the additional parking
[35:20] » addition
[35:27] to things.
>> Well, that's what confused us because
[35:30] the plan still showed additional
parking. So, we were very confused on
[35:34] why this building.
>> So, are you are are you in fact adding
[35:38] parking or no? Oh, you're not.
>> I mean, I don't see that at all.
[35:45] » We don't either. And that's what
confused us.
[35:53] » Yeah.
>> So, based on that, you know, we would
[35:58] again recommend approval. Um again, all
it needs is updated.
[36:04] Well, a building permit and
building
[36:10] official to get necessary approval for
the plan and building
[36:24] now.
>> So, this building is going to go
[36:27] » right
>> on the north end. Is that correct?
[36:30] » Correct.
by the
[36:36] » Okay.
[36:40] » near the other storage building.
>> Yes.
[36:43] » Okay.
>> Eight feet away. Can I ask So, so when
[36:50] So, when we get these in, we all drive
by the site and we get to look at
[36:53] different things. Can I ask about your
dumpster in the back? Do you have plans
[36:59] for your dumpster in the back?
Yes,
[37:10] » the the only reason I ask is in our
ordinance we have qualifications for
[37:15] dumpsters and um I noticed that yours
was just sitting out there. It's not
[37:20] that it's
unusual. There are other areas at our
[37:25] township that have that, but we usually
recommend that they're enclosed
[37:31] um or at least surrounded three ways by
by fencing.
[37:38] Um and I think the issue is, you know, I
don't know what the previous site plan
[37:44] requirements were, but there is a
dumpster on site not have an enclosure.
[37:49] If it was submitted today, you'd be
required to put an enclosure on it.
[37:54] Enclosure could be a stock
could be concrete block
[38:00] when you go out
a dumpster.
[38:07] And I think that's what
[38:14] » if if you came
[38:23] Yes.
>> Again, we didn't we didn't make the
[38:27] comment because we're just adding an
accessory building.
[38:31] » And sometimes and
you know, sometimes when when you've got
[38:36] I mean, you probably had the dumpster
sitting there forever. You don't even
[38:39] see it anymore because it's been sitting
there forever. I thought I'd bring it to
[38:43] your attention.
If if you do anything bigger, it's going
[38:48] to prompt you to do something with the
dumpster. But aesthetically, if you're
[38:53] doing stuff, you might want to consider
that in the future. It just looks
[38:58] » I mean, it's a dumpster, but [laughter]
[39:03] » just so it's on your radar.
[39:11] building you're building
[39:25] access
[39:37] » gravel.
[39:45] All right. Thank you.
>> All right. Does anybody have any
[39:50] questions here?
[40:02] So, we'reing no additional parking.
[40:08] » Was that left over from the last?
>> That must have been left over from the
[40:12] last,
>> right?
[40:19] » I'll make a
support.
[40:24] » All right, we've got a motion to
approve.
[40:28] Are you putting any stipulations on
that? That's
[40:32] » it.
[40:39] » No additional parking.
[40:47] » Okay. So, it's motion by reader
supported by Rosenberg to approve the
[40:50] site plan contingent on submitting all
required building and trade permits to
[40:54] the township prior to construction and
no additional parking is required.
[41:03] So, roll call vote. Uh, Reer,
>> yes.
[41:08] » Peekom,
>> yes.
[41:09] » Rosenbra,
>> yes.
[41:11] » Beller,
>> yes.
[41:12] » Walsh,
>> yes.
[41:13] » Schwitzer, yes. Shadwitt,
>> yes.
[41:15] » Motion carries.
[41:19] [laughter]
[41:21] » Where else can you have this much fun
>> for nothing?
[41:28] » All right. Thank you.
[41:32] Wow.
>> I know. I thought
[41:34] » I think we all deserve a gold star.
>> But before we get that quick,
[41:40] » it's taken us a lot of work, a lot of
working
[41:44] to get them where we're at. And I'm
sorry,
[41:49] but we put serious effort into this
mostly because the application
[41:56] submitted.
[41:59] » Well, this went very nice.
>> So, I like it. We didn't have paperwork
[42:05] at our desk.
>> Come back. [laughter]
[42:10] » You make that phone call. You call and
ask him to come back.
[42:12] » We had a hard time convincing
that
[42:17] him saying just because it's been like
this for 76 years was an excuse to allow
[42:22] it to happen or continue to happen. That
was his that was his answer to all the
[42:28] questions.
>> Yes.
[42:30] » You just can't live with that answer.
>> Okay. So, we have some unfinished
[42:34] business which is the data centers.
>> Don,
[42:39] » so I think you have a copy of the draft
ordinance. I'm not really prepared to go
[42:44] through the whole thing. I talked with
Amy. Mike can be here at the next
[42:50] planning commission meeting and we can
go through it page by page. But I am
[42:55] here to either take your comments, your
questions, and try to get some answers
[43:01] to them. Again, there's a moratorum.
We're not in a hurry. We've got plenty
[43:06] of time.
>> When does our moratorium expire? Is it
[43:08] February?
>> I think it was like February.
[43:14] » So, we've
We're not in a rush.
[43:17] » Oh, February.
>> It was going to go on the agenda every
[43:20] meeting until
it's on the agenda again tonight. You
[43:25] know, again, I just want to make sure
you guys had to look through it, got
[43:29] your questions answered, you know, and
that we're we're getting to where we
[43:34] need to be. This ordinance is very
similar to other ordinances that Mike
[43:39] has been working on with other
communities. So, this is not
[43:44] brand new off the top of his head
ordinance.
[43:50] » I think it makes sense for us to review
it, provide any comments, and then we
[43:54] can be prepared to discuss it further
next month.
[43:58] » Does anybody have anything right now
that they that he that you want Don to
[44:03] send back to Mike to start thinking
about?
[44:15] Mike is on vacation
next week.
[44:19] » So that being said, we had also talked
about are you going to be at future
[44:23] meetings?
>> Oh,
[44:34] I am not
under the impression that it's a
[44:39] decision by me alone.
I believe that that's something that we
[44:43] all have to decide, but I know it's
something that we discussed.
[44:48] » Well, I would hope that
Don usually gives some pretty good
[44:53] advice, but uh I think if we get the
information early enough and that we see
[45:01] that we're we should have some legal
counsel,
[45:07] then we should. But that's going to be
pretty tough to do. We
[45:10] like this come out on Thursday and I'm
not faulting anybody that it happens on
[45:16] Thursday
[45:21] in case
>> I agree with what you're saying.
[45:25] » I think there's in my opinion I think
there's value in having you here.
[45:29] » Um and if we decide that we want to wait
and see what's on the agenda, Bill makes
[45:36] a good point. We don't get our
information until sometimes Thursday.
[45:40] The office isn't open on Friday. So that
gives you, you know, Monday's notice to
[45:46] if we want you here or not. And that's
if everybody can pick up their packet
[45:50] and review it over the weekend. I think
it makes it tough. But that's just my
[45:55] » a little bit of my thought is I think it
really depends on what's on the agenda
[46:00] and if they're ordinance related that we
work very close with Kevin on the
[46:05] ordinance probably valuable that he's
here. If it's simply site plan reviews
[46:10] and approvals,
you know, I don't it doesn't seem like
[46:16] we're going to get into legal questions.
Those become planning engineering
[46:20] questions.
when it comes to the ordinance, those
[46:23] are legal questions and we're not as
prepared to speak legally as
[46:28] » So, as far as working on the data center
between now and February, there's
[46:34] probably some value in having you here
and and it that gives us a chance to get
[46:39] to know you
>> and you get to know us and then maybe we
[46:43] can revisit
whether you attend after that or not.
[46:48] » Yeah. So for a lot of my other
communities what happens is that's
[46:51] exactly right. Let's say the data set
ordinance was not on this agenda.
[46:58] Typically I don't show those
questions
[47:13] that typically take a recess call me on
the phone. question
[47:22] doesn't happen very
[47:29] schools regulated by local
[47:39] exactly so you know that's my
recommendation coming from me if it's
[47:43] strictly site plan review you really
don't need me if it's Walmart
[47:48] maybe.
>> Yeah,
[47:49] » let's face it. That's a little different
animal.
[48:11] That's fine. You call me Monday.
I'm here. It's on my calendar. So it
[48:16] doesn't
[48:28] » as a question.
[48:38] » Is that just a courtesy to us why they
were here?
[48:46] sit here.
>> Yeah.
[48:59] [laughter]
[49:07] All right,
>> I'll make that motion.
[49:09] » You can support it. He made it.
>> Oh, he got it before you. All right, we
[49:14] have a motion and support. All in favor?
>> Any opposed?
[49:18] » All right, motion carried. We are
>> great.
[49:22] » That's a huge surprise. I thought we'd
be here.