1 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,600 So 2 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,520 >> second. 3 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,240 >> Yes. 4 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,439 Consent agenda. Consent agenda 5 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:17,520 items are considered routine and will be 6 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,000 enacted with a single motion. Any items 7 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,159 requiring expenditure are supported by a 8 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:24,479 certificate of availability of funds and 9 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:26,400 any item requiring discussion will be 10 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,320 removed from the consent agenda. All 11 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:30,240 consent agenda items will be reflected 12 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,720 in full in the minutes. Number one, 13 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,560 authorizing the purchase of an upfit for 14 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,640 a police vehicle through New Jersey 15 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,880 State Co-op purchasing program. Number 16 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,200 two, recognizing inter international 17 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,320 overdose awareness day, August 31st, 18 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:47,759 2026. That is the purple flags that you 19 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:49,840 notice out in front of Burough Hall this 20 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,720 month. authorizing the mayor and the 21 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,119 clerk to execute an indemnity and trust 22 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:57,280 agreement between the burrow and the 23 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,000 central Jersey health insurance fund. 24 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Number four, authorizing a shared 25 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,280 service agreement with Mammoth County to 26 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,840 provide community rating system CRS 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,160 project management software. Number 28 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,400 five, award a contract to MRC Recreation 29 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,160 for the supply and installation of 30 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,920 playground equipment at the Priscilla 31 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:18,640 Ireland Brower Park. Number six, 32 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,680 amending policy and procedure. 33 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,200 I get a motion on the consent agenda 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,120 items pass and adopt. 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:25,760 >> So 36 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,520 >> second, 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,160 >> yes. 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Can I get a motion that the bill is 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,589 totaling $262,44148 40 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:38,720 approved for payment? 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,000 >> So moved. 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,680 >> Second. 43 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,800 >> Yes. 44 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Amending 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:55,830 112.2 46 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,920 facility fees 47 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:09,190 charges. 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,120 » Can I get a motion that the ordinance be 49 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,599 opened to the public? 50 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:14,640 >> Second. 51 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:15,599 >> Commissioner. 52 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,239 >> Yes. 53 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:21,200 Uh ladies and gentlemen, this is a 54 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,879 uh a change specifically to the policy 55 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,280 that we put in place 56 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,149 six years ago or so. 57 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:34,159 » Okay. So, three years ago, we made a 58 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:36,080 change to the ordinance that allowed for 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,360 people to purchase a replacement for 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,400 their badges up at the pavilion in the 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,840 event that they lost them. Um half 62 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,080 price. So if you paid $100, you would 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,080 pay $50 for the replacement of that 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,350 badge. 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:09:00,550 So in the three years since we have done 66 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,800 from the audience. 67 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,560 All right, we get a a motion to close 68 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:05,200 the floor. 69 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,000 >> So moved. 70 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,350 >> Second. 71 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,959 » Yes. 72 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:12,880 And can I get a motion the 73 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,240 ordinance be passed and adopted after 74 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,080 the second reading and public hearing? 75 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,720 >> So moved. 76 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,360 >> Second. 77 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,440 >> Yes. 78 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,959 All right. We're going to move on to uh 79 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:27,360 reports. Uh Anthony, the administrator's 80 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,160 report. 81 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,590 >> Yes. 82 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:47,910 Couple weeks ago. 83 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,399 She specifically named six individuals 84 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:57,430 life. 85 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:08,949 Eliza 86 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:22,230 very 87 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,030 great [snorts] 88 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:39,350 You always 89 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,040 » Thank you. Thank you, Anthony. And and 90 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,720 um we should know, I think we we said in 91 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,920 the beginning of the summer, that the 92 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,800 lifeguards at the beach are all EMTs and 93 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,720 um so we've got a good crew down there. 94 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,800 So there's always somebody on on staff 95 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,320 down there that can handle emergencies 96 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,640 and obviously this is an example of 97 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,240 that. So that's a good that's a good 98 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,839 thing. 99 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:01,600 Um Bruce the Burough attorney's report. 100 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,839 >> Thank you. Uh Julie the engineers 101 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:53,670 report. 102 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:54,959 Were you guys able to put the picture 103 00:11:54,959 --> 00:11:57,680 up? 104 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:01,430 >> We can do it now. 105 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,200 » Just give us a sec while I threw 106 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,040 something at Nick at 107 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,678 659. 108 00:12:09,678 --> 00:12:12,389 >> [laughter] 109 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:16,079 » All right. So, thank you. So, I I took 110 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:19,600 this picture up in Maine when I was 111 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,839 still capable of walking around before I 112 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:24,160 fell down. And I didn't trip over that, 113 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,240 by the way. But, uh, in the town that we 114 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,160 spent a lot of time at up there, town's 115 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,880 name is Dam Ruscata, they have these 116 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 little symbols on the sidewalk. you have 117 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,079 to walk through the center of town runs 118 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:41,519 coastal route one. It's a very busy road 119 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,320 and um 120 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,959 I thought this is an excellent thing for 121 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:50,320 us to put on our sidewalks here so 122 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,079 people just don't walk across the 123 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:54,480 street. The biggest place we have the 124 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,519 problem with is on Ocean A. And I know 125 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,000 we have a one of one of our Ocean A 126 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,519 residents who's seen accidents in front 127 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,560 of his house when the pedestrians just 128 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,480 walk and they get, you know, cars get 129 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,120 rear ended. So, we're going to start 130 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,680 implementing this around town when we 131 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,240 start doing uh striping again. Uh 132 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,880 probably at right out here, Beach Road, 133 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,760 uh Riverdale, maybe down by the school 134 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,320 as well. And if we can talk the DOT into 135 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,120 it, we're going to try to do it on Ocean 136 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,279 as well. So, so maybe it'll help if it 137 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:32,800 just brings a little bit of awareness to 138 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,560 everybody crossing the street. Don't 139 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,079 just walk because as time has gone on, 140 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:40,000 they passed that law what, 10 years ago, 141 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,079 stopping for pedestrians. 142 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:43,440 You know, pedestrians have gotten used 143 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920 to just walking across the street. But 144 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,079 it works up there in in Maine in 145 00:13:48,079 --> 00:13:51,760 Dammerscotta. So, just wanted to make 146 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,279 everybody aware we're still always 147 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:54,959 trying to improve our safety of our 148 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,440 pedestrians around town. 149 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,790 >> Thank you, Nick. 150 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,360 » All right. Anything else, Joel? Okay. 151 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,760 All right. The chief of police is away 152 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,040 this week. He is bringing his second 153 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,880 child that's going to college this year 154 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,639 off to college. So, he's away for a few 155 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,600 days and uh on that duty. He'll be back 156 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,079 next month. Uh Joe, do you have anything 157 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:31,110 public works tonight? 158 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:38,870 showing you what we do every month. 159 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:45,189 It shows we have 22 days 160 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:57,750 working 161 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:06,870 for the rest of 162 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,680 the calculation 163 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,030 doesn't show any 164 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,240 » or for any 165 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,670 >> June 166 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,350 213 167 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,189 days 168 00:15:29,199 --> 00:15:40,949 talking. 169 00:15:40,959 --> 00:15:54,069 So, I just wanted to bring to its 170 00:15:54,079 --> 00:16:02,470 beware. 171 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Joe, could you could you send these uh 172 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,160 >> Okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. 173 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Thank you. It 174 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,839 >> it's 175 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:14,240 no secret to anybody with eyes that 176 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,320 lives in this town that the Burough 177 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Street Department here does herculean 178 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,440 work, Joe, and has for ever. and under 179 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,399 your you know your leadership they have 180 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:27,279 done a fantastic job as well. We are not 181 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,040 at all disappointed with that. However, 182 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,399 it is important for people to see it 183 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,279 when it looks like that broken down how 184 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:38,959 tenuous it can be to get all these 185 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:42,079 things done in an eight hour day. Um 186 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:43,839 particularly in the summer when all the 187 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,880 workload is probably twice as much this 188 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,920 as it is in the winter time. So, um, 189 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,399 yeah, we're aware and 190 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:53,519 we're going to make sure that you're 191 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:55,600 staffed, Joe. 192 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,440 >> One thing that the the burrow fathers 193 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,680 know is that garbage being picked up and 194 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,920 streets being plowed are are the things 195 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,839 that most people recognize. We're going 196 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,319 to make sure we get that done. 197 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,120 >> Yeah. 198 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:10,079 >> Okay. So, 199 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,000 we need 200 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,520 Anthony. [snorts] 201 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,120 >> We need to hire. I I 202 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:22,106 >> I I know we haven't started yet. 203 00:17:22,116 --> 00:17:22,160 [snorts] 204 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,559 >> Immediately. 205 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,760 >> Can you I think we should 206 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,679 I'm no expert on uh staffing. 207 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:32,320 >> Exactly. 208 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,000 >> Public discussion, but I think we might 209 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,720 need to to talk about timing and things 210 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,640 like that just 211 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,559 >> you know outside of 212 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:43,039 >> So here here's what's going to happen. 213 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,559 Jody didn't, you know, he went through 214 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,919 what happened in June, you know, um we 215 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,280 have a couple employees that are 216 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,679 thinking about retiring. 217 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:53,919 Um when you have an employee that's out 218 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:55,840 sick and we had a couple of them out 219 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,400 today, you're left with two employees 220 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,200 and then Joe's on the garbage truck at 221 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,280 bulk pickup. So, the first thing I'm 222 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,480 going to tell you is there's no more 223 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,520 bulk pickup until we get our manpower 224 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,480 straightened out. All right? So you can 225 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,880 everybody has to sign up online for the 226 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,200 next couple weeks just for nothing. Not 227 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,600 available. Okay. 228 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,520 Because that's a big problem on 229 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,840 Wednesdays. 230 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,080 And then 231 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,360 if it takes a while to hire somebody 232 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,600 like if we if Anthony put an ad in 233 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,600 tomorrow and he you know it'll be at 234 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,440 least 30 days before somebody starts, 235 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,270 right? 236 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,480 My issue is right now I have no one. 237 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,480 >> I understand that. 238 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,400 >> But we need to be prepared when it 239 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,840 happens. And if you wait till it 240 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,240 happens, 241 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,080 then you might only have one employee 242 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,120 working that day with Joe. Okay? You 243 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,720 can't wait till it happens. You have to 244 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,240 be proactive. 245 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,360 >> So, 246 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,679 >> as the commissioner of public works, I'm 247 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:05,360 asking you to hire somebody. 248 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,080 >> All right? 249 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,000 and we will have to figure 250 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,760 out a way to deal with the financial 251 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,160 impact of this 252 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,000 >> and figure out how we can handle it. 253 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,440 >> All right. So, if I could. 254 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:15,840 >> Yep. 255 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,200 >> As the commissioner of finance, we have 256 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,440 a budget that's already in place. We 257 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,679 have staff that didn't announce they 258 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:25,520 were maybe going to retire until the 259 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,240 budget was done. And now we have staff 260 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,480 that we're going to need for next year. And that'll be next year's 261 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,799 budget. We do not have the opportunity 262 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:37,120 until November to move budget lines 263 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:40,320 around if we were. I understand and I 264 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,640 get it. And the pro part of the problem 265 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,520 is folks that are retiring, 266 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080 we know what's going to happen. They're 267 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,679 going to take their days. They're not 268 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:51,840 going to be here. It the 2.1 is going to 269 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,440 go to 3.1. I understand that. If there's 270 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,280 an opportunity that we need to look at 271 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,840 to amend the budget if it's at all 272 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,360 possible, it's going to go again to the 273 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,039 problem, not the problem, but the 274 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:08,960 situation that we implemented. So, if we 275 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,200 need to do that review to post to start 276 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,039 now, I don't have a problem with it, but 277 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,919 we're going to have a budget situation. 278 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:17,840 >> So, last time last time we tried to hire 279 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,919 somebody, it took us like 280 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,840 >> five months before we got an applicant 281 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,840 that was worthy, you know. 282 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,600 >> Okay. Can I make a suggestion? And I, 283 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,679 you know, I I have I got a little 284 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,039 experience with this being a civil 285 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:30,880 servant and and having worked in a place 286 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,559 where this happened quite frequently in 287 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:37,360 a much larger staff, right? So, 288 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,400 first of all, we as a municipality, we 289 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,919 need to try to make sure we get better 290 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:45,039 at if if our rules aren't tight enough 291 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,280 about making sure we know in advance 292 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,200 that our employees are choosing to 293 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000 retire, we should address that. That's 294 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,919 something we can address. and it doesn't 295 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,240 take, you know, six months to do. That's 296 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,919 one way to help to stem this as it 297 00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:01,520 approaches. Another way is that if you 298 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,039 have a situation where someone is out 299 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:08,799 extended time, sick time, 300 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,440 why would we not seek to bring in 301 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,679 part-time help, 302 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:15,919 temporary staff, at least as a bridge 303 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:18,080 between now and getting an application 304 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,840 out if we can't afford it in this year's 305 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,640 budget? Let's look to do some 306 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,400 >> Okay, so maybe we could look to bring 307 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,720 some temporary staffing in to hold this 308 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,880 over so we can get to the point where we 309 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,640 can figure this out and it fits within 310 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 the municipal budget to get it done. But 311 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,640 the the situation can't be left where we 312 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,400 have nobody, Dave. I agree with you. So, 313 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,840 we're going to have to take action in 314 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,080 some form or fashion. either we if we 315 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,000 can't find anybody to replace and we 316 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,159 have employees that are gone for sure, 317 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:47,919 then we're going to need to get out 318 00:21:47,919 --> 00:21:49,440 there and find a way to like we did a 319 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,200 couple years ago, it may require us to 320 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,080 start looking around at the 321 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,799 municipalities around us similar size. 322 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,640 What are they paying? Because that's 323 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,679 what's going to make the difference 324 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:01,440 between getting somebody here and not 325 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,400 as 326 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,640 we are in shape, 327 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,960 >> right? because we took action, right? So 328 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:25,830 we did 329 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,320 So, 330 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,480 >> so let let me go back to something 331 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,400 Commissioner Bull said. 332 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,960 >> We knew when we were doing the budget 333 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840 this was going to happen. This was came 334 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,559 to fruition 335 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,280 early last spring. So, we knew before we 336 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,880 were doing the budget and we didn't take 337 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,240 any action on it. Okay. So, I we have a 338 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,840 very tight budget this year. I 339 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,000 understand that. But I have been asking 340 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,320 for this for several months to happen 341 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,200 and it hasn't happened. 342 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,159 And we're going to get to the day where 343 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:59,760 the garbage isn't going to get picked up 344 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,039 because we won't have somebody here. 345 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,440 If some if they all call out sick, we 346 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280 don't have any control over that. We 347 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280 have control over vacation days. 348 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 >> So, two things. Um, I think we were not 349 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,840 permitted to put it in the budget until 350 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,360 it's announced. So that hold my second 351 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,320 question is uh we can we can look to 352 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,480 amend that. But an easier way to look to 353 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,039 amend is to see if Katie can talk to Bud 354 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,120 and we can change the amount we're using 355 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,640 from uh the reserve if we can use more 356 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,640 from the reserve fund and add it to the 357 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,600 budget to accommodate any part-time or 358 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,960 you know seasonal work that might have 359 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,679 to get us through the now till the end 360 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,200 of the year. Is it possible to change 361 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,640 that that line item? 362 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,360 >> Well, we have other we have other 363 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,919 circumstances that have to be addressed 364 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:52,000 before inve 365 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,200 I I get it. So let let's I think again 366 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,600 personally not personally publicly I 367 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,559 think we need to take the that situation 368 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,120 a little bit offline look at where we 369 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,760 can adjust the budget if possible with 370 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000 within the guidelines of allowing the 371 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,400 budget to be amended by BUD uh andor um 372 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320 you know KD following up on that if we 373 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,400 can add to the budget it might not 374 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,200 change the tax situation but we if we 375 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,880 can add to the budget somehow for this 376 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,520 then Let's see if we can do that. 377 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,400 >> Have you had any success, Joe? And Dave 378 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,840 said you were kind of looking at that 379 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,840 already. 380 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,269 >> So, you you do have somebody. 381 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:36,559 » No, I mean I mean I'm talking about 382 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,200 somebody that we could use as a temp. 383 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,400 >> Okay. 384 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,559 So, is there opportunity for 385 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,480 somebody else? Could we continue to look 386 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,159 because we know we know sitting here 387 00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:47,440 that we're probably talking about a 388 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,799 couple places that are going to have to 389 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,400 be filled at some point in the not too 390 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,760 distant future. Right. 391 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,559 >> Right. So maybe you can find some people 392 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,720 that not only going to road test them, 393 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,640 but if they're looking for for 394 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,039 employment, there there may be your door 395 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,640 to get them in here, get them into the 396 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880 system, work them where the way we can 397 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,799 now with the money we have as a 398 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,320 temporary and then as soon as the 399 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,919 opportunity arises when the positions 400 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,679 available, the money will be sitting 401 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:13,520 there because it'll be in the, you know, 402 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720 >> we we used to have money for uh 403 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,640 temporary summer help in 404 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,760 >> think 405 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760 >> do we still have that in line item? All 406 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,520 right. So, there's a way to use it 407 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,360 without maybe modifying our budget 408 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,080 immediately. 409 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,840 >> It It'll bridge us. It bridges us 410 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,520 together. 411 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,880 >> That's fine. I I just We need staff so 412 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960 that uh Joe's not driving the garbage 413 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,080 truck and getting out and putting the 414 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,279 garbage in the back of the truck 415 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,279 himself. Okay. And, you know, we have 416 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:44,400 two or three that could possibly retire 417 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,640 over the next 12 months. And that's a 418 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,240 lot to hire. You know, I think you got 419 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,799 to get ahead of this. You can't wait for 420 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,000 it to happen. You have to get ahead. 421 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,440 >> And I know they haven't given us 422 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,200 official notice, 423 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:13,110 >> but no one's given us official. 424 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,799 » I get it. 425 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,840 At some point, getting the job done is 426 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,720 more important than budget flexibility. 427 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,559 And then we deal with the consequences 428 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,039 of going over the budget next year when 429 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,190 Bud does his report. 430 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,039 Can we please we need to table the 431 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,440 discussion because I will vehemently 432 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,919 disagree with Commissioner Stickle on 433 00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:40,480 financial fiduciary responsibility and 434 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,960 audit and opinion and the process of a 435 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,279 budget. I respectfully request this is 436 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:46,799 taken offline. We look for the line 437 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,440 items and we discuss it. But to talk 438 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,840 about don't not worrying about going 439 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,760 over budget and dealing with the fallout 440 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,960 and the ramifications of a of a of an 441 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,440 audit and a budget. Sorry, that's my 442 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,039 responsibility. I will not do it. 443 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,720 >> I think we have a solution. We just 444 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720 discussed I think that takes us at least 445 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,760 in the short term. Right. 446 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,440 >> Correct. 447 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,240 Take it offline. 448 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,080 >> All right. So, we'll discuss this. Maybe 449 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,360 what we'll do is we'll set ourselves up 450 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,679 a workshop next month and we'll see 451 00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:14,960 where we are. 452 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,159 as you know a meeting then we'll do that 453 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,799 but it should not be debated tonight 454 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,000 here because of things 455 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600 >> just just trying to stress the 456 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840 importance from my from my point of view 457 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,360 I get I understand your point of view as 458 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,679 well 459 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,000 can't just go do the things you just 460 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,600 maybe mentioned and not worry about it's 461 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,799 >> not that I wasn't going to worry about 462 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:39,360 it I just 463 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,720 >> it's my responsibility 464 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,159 >> we it's all of our responsibility 465 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,080 because all three of us share in the 466 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,679 whole running of the town equally 467 00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:47,679 >> and and Joe, we have a way forward here, 468 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,080 right? So, we can keep looking. Maybe we 469 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,480 find we go for a number two, right? 470 00:27:52,480 --> 00:28:08,070 >> Okay. All right. 471 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,360 No, we're still working. We're still 472 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:21,190 waiting for Jose. 473 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,440 » Thank you, Joe. We appreciate that that 474 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:30,310 breakdown. We do. 475 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,200 » We got to tie it with a bow if we can on 476 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,880 this 477 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,830 So, I'd like to see that. 478 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640 » All right. Nothing else, Joe. 479 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640 >> Okay. 480 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,320 >> All right. Can I get a motion to open 481 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,080 the floor to the public? 482 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,470 >> So, moved. 483 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,600 » Yes. 484 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320 All right, folks. The the floor is 485 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,320 open. Uh, if you have any questions in 486 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,840 re in regards to what we were just 487 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600 talking about, that's fine. We're each 488 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,720 individually going to give a little 489 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,080 report here as well, so you'll be able 490 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,840 to ask questions as that too. But go 491 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:25,029 ahead. 492 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,360 I did have a suggestion 493 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,070 that 494 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600 schools 495 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:42,310 call us 496 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:53,029 Jan 497 00:29:53,039 --> 00:30:05,909 school. 498 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:09,360 That's the first question. 499 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:33,909 I have 500 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:40,399 as a business owner. I can get many St. 501 00:30:40,399 --> 00:31:05,830 John 502 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,870 Catholic. 503 00:31:10,880 --> 00:32:01,990 February. 504 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840 Thank you very much, 505 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,159 >> Anthony. Um you do have a few 506 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:07,760 connections in maybe the vocational 507 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,360 schools for not much different 508 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,720 >> not much different than some of the 509 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,720 trades you know. 510 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,559 >> Yeah 511 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,640 I mean you know this is a can become a 512 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,279 career job for people. 513 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,679 >> Yeah 514 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:48,870 thank you for the suggestion. 515 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,430 com. 516 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,669 However, 517 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:04,000 It is 518 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:14,470 one of the police officers. 519 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:25,909 » Yeah. 520 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:29,120 So, so we have a our our traffic control 521 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,159 officer, uh, Goieski, Matt Goies, last 522 00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:35,039 year. Um, he's actually very very active 523 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,720 and has been a lot of the changes you've 524 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,080 seen here in the last couple years on 525 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,000 our roads have a lot to do with Matt. 526 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,760 So, Matt went and put a report together 527 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,760 and sent a letter off to the DOT in 528 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,360 regards to what you're talking about 529 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,720 because we've had that suggestion for 530 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,039 the last five or six years here. and um 531 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,360 including uh lights as you're 532 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,559 discussing. Um we expected as we 533 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,399 normally expect that the DOT was going 534 00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,720 to reject that out of hand. To our 535 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,799 surprise, the DOT wrote back positively 536 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,399 and is now doing a study. So, you know, 537 00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,960 it's the DOT. So, we're hoping that the 538 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,480 study isn't going to take until all of 539 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,599 us are retired and gone somewhere. But, 540 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,520 it is a big problem out there. They are 541 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,480 aware of it. Um and um you know, we're 542 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,240 going to keep pushing it. That the cones 543 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,079 you see out there and all of those 544 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,800 things that started after we took off us 545 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560 took office has to do with the changes 546 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,560 that we made out there to try to slow 547 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,119 traffic down. But I agree with you, it 548 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,520 is it's hard. We have as many officers 549 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,839 as we can get here in the summertime and 550 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:39,839 it's still not enough. So, and that's 551 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:42,639 most of our trouble is at Route 36. So 552 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:43,679 they're aware 553 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,040 >> and there's a lot more cones out there 554 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,639 this year than there were last year 555 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,800 because we're continually making 556 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200 improvements trying to get cars to 557 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,960 realize that people cross the street 558 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,359 there 559 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:53,919 >> y 560 00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,919 >> and you know they [snorts] need to slow 561 00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:58,079 down a little bit but you know we were 562 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,960 able to get the DOT down to 35 in the 563 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,640 summer instead of 45. 564 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,320 >> I I don't think we're ever going to get 565 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,800 them to 25 because the north end of 566 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,839 Seabbrite is the same situation at 35. 567 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,400 We do know, we were just alerted what 568 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,839 about a week and a half ago, two weeks 569 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:15,599 ago, Julie, when we don't know the 570 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,880 specifics, but we do know that the DOT 571 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200 is going to be embarking on some project 572 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,440 out on Ocean Avenue. We we don't know 573 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,880 the specifics. We're waiting on the 574 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,359 details, but it has to do the one thing 575 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,599 they did tell us is something has to do 576 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,920 with that intersection at Beach and uh 577 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,599 >> crosswalk change. 578 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,200 >> So, we don't know. 579 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,880 >> We're hopeful that, you know, they'll 580 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,079 come out and say, "Oh, yeah. We're going 581 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,839 to take your suggestion and flashing 582 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:44,870 lights and stuff like that, but 583 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,040 >> Yeah. 584 00:35:49,040 --> 00:36:29,430 >> Thanks. 585 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,349 I don't have to tell you to taxpayers. 586 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:56,870 is 587 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:40,710 access. 588 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,200 wanted to 589 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:52,870 do that 590 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,920 That's designed to 591 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:06,710 make historic 592 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:26,230 impatient 593 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:31,030 consequences. 594 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,760 The bill is 595 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:42,950 over. 596 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:53,510 responsible 597 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,160 establish 598 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,310 fund. 599 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,510 So 600 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:22,390 funds for any 601 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:46,790 Um, so we actually 602 00:39:46,800 --> 00:40:12,069 participate. 603 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,040 is 604 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:40,310 supposed to 605 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:52,069 gone. 606 00:40:52,079 --> 00:41:04,390 environmental concerns. I have 607 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,710 my hope is that 608 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:27,990 support resolution. 609 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,880 nervous 610 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,560 questions. 611 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:44,150 Answer all of them. 612 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,240 I I actually have something to say to 613 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,680 you because I have looked into this 614 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,200 since the last time that you were here, 615 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,640 right? And and I'm interested in this 616 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,839 stuff as well. Um I don't call myself an 617 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,200 environmentalist, but I live at the 618 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,960 beach just like you and been here 619 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,359 forever. And I I can see it with my own 620 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:01,359 eyes. Anybody that lives here, we all 621 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,520 know that things aren't the same, right? 622 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,800 It is definitely different. So, 623 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640 taking what you said previously, I 624 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,359 looked into this. I I was under the 625 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:14,960 impression that this um act, this 626 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,400 environmental super fund act was a 627 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,880 nationwide push to do something so that 628 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,280 all of the states involved would step 629 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,880 up. everybody would step forward and 630 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880 we'd find a way forward maybe to take 631 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,839 some of the money that the fossil fuel 632 00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:31,839 companies are are currently charging us 633 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:34,160 in a way maybe use some of that money to 634 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,520 go back into the system and clean it up 635 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,440 a little bit. Um I'm all for beginning 636 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,040 to do something like that. But that's 637 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,119 not what this is. What this is is the 638 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,839 state of New Jersey trying to do this on 639 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:48,079 its own. Um which is valiant. I get it. 640 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,599 But it doesn't match. The numbers don't 641 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,800 match. Right. So in New Jersey, um, 642 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,720 we're somewhere in the one and a half to 643 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,319 1.7% 644 00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:00,240 right of what we actually contribute to 645 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,560 climate, you know, the the climate uh 646 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,359 emissions, right? 647 00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:08,640 I'm not telling you that's not going to 648 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,119 help, but for the amount of money that 649 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:15,040 it's going to cost the businesses that 650 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,960 there's not many of them in New Jersey. 651 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,079 Um, there are, I don't know, a handful 652 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,000 of refineries up and down the East 653 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,599 Coast. New Jerseyy's got a couple of 654 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,280 them. 655 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,960 It brings in [snorts] hundreds of 656 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,640 millions of tax dollars to the state 657 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,800 every year. 40,000 jobsish that all are 658 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,520 centered here in New Jersey. And and I 659 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,000 don't know what I don't know, 660 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,839 but if I'm a refinery and one state acts 661 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,960 like this and it's costing me an immense 662 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,400 amount of money to continue to work 663 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040 there, why not just move my operations 664 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,440 somewhere else because there's nobody 665 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,839 else doing it. That's the only way this 666 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:55,440 works in my view. And I'm not saying 667 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,720 that I wouldn't support something like 668 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,040 this if that was more of the tact that 669 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,880 was being taken, if it was a nationwide 670 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,720 effort because I think that I would. But 671 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,200 I think New Jersey would be taking a big 672 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,319 risk for all of us for the costs that 673 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:11,680 would be passed on to us. And um I for 674 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,839 that reason I I can't support this 675 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:17,040 particular effort. I I do support it as 676 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680 a grand scale for sure. But locally in 677 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,160 New Jersey I I think this needs to go to 678 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,839 the congressman. 679 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:25,839 Bring it to Frank Palone. All right. 680 00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,280 Bring it to bring it to them to bring 681 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,440 this to Congress because that's where 682 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520 the success is going to be had. Not in 683 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:54,950 New Jersey. 684 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:12,309 So I just wanted 685 00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:17,190 is 686 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:35,109 not 687 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,870 business. 688 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:55,430 I'm not saying 689 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:07,430 » right. 690 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,119 So, um, as you and I talked about, um, 691 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,560 Monday night in the environmental 692 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,839 commission meeting, um, I still have to 693 00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,359 see 694 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,680 exactly how they're going to take out 695 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,480 money from past profits 696 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,400 so it doesn't affect the current bottom 697 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,319 line because I don't know any businesses 698 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:28,400 that just have past profits sitting in a 699 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,520 uh, CD account, say, you know, earning interest because 700 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,200 >> because if they are, we need to figure 701 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,640 that out. Commissioner Bolsh on our 702 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,839 budget how we can do that. All right. Um 703 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:43,119 >> yeah and and 704 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,040 so 705 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,640 couple a couple other questions though 706 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,630 Jackie. Um 707 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,079 » are any other states doing it? Because 708 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,359 when I researched it I think there's 709 00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:54,880 only one or two other states that have 710 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,839 done it. 711 00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:56,800 >> York. 712 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:05,990 >> New York and Vermont. Okay. 713 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,480 So, so they're giving they're 714 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,920 giving the companies that are in New 715 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,119 York plenty of time to leave 716 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,960 >> before they get before they have to pay 717 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,240 that unless they're going to go after 718 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,000 them after they leave the state. 719 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:37,990 >> So, that's why I say I'd need to read 720 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,760 I I have no doubt about that and I agree 721 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,839 with you on that. However, when you look 722 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,800 at other countries like India, China, 723 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,119 all the third world countries, 724 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,839 they don't even have to abide by any of 725 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,119 the Paris climate change accords which 726 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:54,720 all right. So we do something and then 727 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,160 all the pollution from China blows 728 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,720 across the Pacific Ocean to us in India, 729 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,309 right? So you know 730 00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:06,000 » I understand how a little bit how the 731 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,880 earth works and all the ocean currents 732 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,200 are all connected at some point in 733 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,560 somewhere right and all the wind 734 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,000 directions go all the way around the 735 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,839 earth. So, 736 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,680 >> it's a bigger problem, which is why I 737 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,559 agree with Mayor Summers about this 738 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,920 should be done on a national level, not 739 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,240 a statewide level, you know, and 740 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,839 >> that's where the impact is going to be. 741 00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:31,440 >> Yeah, 742 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,680 you're right. But at a national level, 743 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,839 >> yeah, I I I'd agree with you. I'm not 744 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:40,079 saying it shouldn't be done. And 745 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,400 >> if the bill does pass, absolutely, we 746 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,480 would try to get our fair share of of 747 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,880 the money out of it to what to do what 748 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,040 we could. Maybe uh Mayor Summer's idea 749 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,280 of a little a little burm around 750 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,040 Manahassid 751 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359 uh Creek, maybe we could get money to do 752 00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:56,960 that, which we've never been able to do. 753 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,400 You know, something like that that would 754 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,400 be almost a shovel ready project that we 755 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,119 have. 756 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,640 >> Um did Mammoth County endorse this? The 757 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,599 county 758 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:06,640 >> at the county level? 759 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:17,510 >> Yes. 760 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,979 Joyce right there. 761 00:49:19,979 --> 00:49:33,750 [laughter] 762 00:49:33,760 --> 00:50:02,390 I know you as well. 763 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,800 So 764 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:12,790 again, 765 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:19,990 it seems it seems fair. There's 766 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,670 our perspective. 767 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,240 So, have any other countries tried to do 768 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:45,670 this yet? 769 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,680 » I app again I appreciate you're coming 770 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,760 here and please feel welcome to come. 771 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,520 you know, we we would love to hear from 772 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,839 you on environmental issues. All of us 773 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,520 here are are conscious of that. Um, 774 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,839 however, in this one particular case, at 775 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:02,400 the moment, I'm not on board. It doesn't 776 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,839 mean I wouldn't be on board if I saw 777 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:05,599 this more grand because I think that's 778 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,680 where the impact will be. But 779 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,520 individually, 780 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,720 um, I I think it in in to Dave Dave's 781 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,800 point, he alluded to it a little bit. I 782 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880 think this could have more of more of an 783 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,040 impact on our on our pocketbooks in the 784 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,720 state, an un unintended consequence 785 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,400 because of it. And and I'd be afraid of 786 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,480 that with the situation we're in right 787 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,400 now. Everybody's I mean, it's $4 a 788 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,240 gallon for gasoline. Who who thought it 789 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,520 was going to be that last year, right? 790 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,599 So, that's where we are. I'd be afraid 791 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:35,760 to add anything else to that. I mean our 792 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,640 Joe's fuel our budget's getting hit by 793 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,480 the left and the right between health 794 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,440 care fuel costs. This is just adding 795 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,960 just like it does at the house. Right. 796 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,960 So we have to be conscious of that not 797 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,760 to put ourselves in that position if we 798 00:51:49,760 --> 00:52:01,109 can. Right. 799 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,119 So, so if you get updates, if you want 800 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:06,480 to send them to us, 801 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:06,800 >> Yeah. 802 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,800 >> or come back in another meeting and say 803 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040 it got it passed the House, it's in the 804 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,599 Senate. You know, please keep us updated 805 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,440 as to what's going on with it. If you 806 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,440 get more information, you know, on 807 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,000 exactly how the fines are going to be 808 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,720 handed out out of past profits, I'm sure 809 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,599 Commissioner Bolsh, who's a CPA, would 810 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,440 like to read that and be interested in 811 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,829 that, you know. So please, 812 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:36,000 » we've already we've already been given a 813 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,079 copy of the bill and like I mean 814 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,376 not the easiest thing to read. So 815 00:52:42,376 --> 00:52:43,839 [laughter] 816 00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:47,200 >> they never are. 817 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,640 >> Yeah. 818 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,280 As as everybody knows, my 16 819 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,880 credits of business law college don't 820 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,359 qualify me to read that. I got here. 821 00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:58,096 How's that? 822 00:52:58,096 --> 00:53:01,109 >> [laughter] 823 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,800 » No worries. Thank you again. 824 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,880 >> Thanks, Jack. 825 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,480 >> All right. Do we have anybody else from 826 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,440 the public? 827 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,599 >> All right. Um, Larry, Commissioner Bol, 828 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:12,720 do you have anything for us this month? 829 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,480 >> Uh, nothing from finance. 830 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,760 >> Okay. Anything? 831 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,119 >> I don't have anything else. We already 832 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,040 went over my little yellow circles. 833 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,760 >> Okay. I have nothing else this month as 834 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,359 well. So, with that, I'll ask for a 835 00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,680 motion to close the floor to the public. 836 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,200 I'll make a motion to close the floor to 837 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,119 the public and close the meeting. 838 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:33,466 >> I I Yes, Larry. Second that. 839 00:53:33,466 --> 00:53:35,280 [snorts] 840 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,160 >> Yes. 841 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,839 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 842 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:41,640 We'll see you all in September.