[1:06] So
[1:07] >> second.
[1:09] >> Yes.
[1:12] Consent agenda. Consent agenda
[1:15] items are considered routine and will be
[1:17] enacted with a single motion. Any items
[1:20] requiring expenditure are supported by a
[1:22] certificate of availability of funds and
[1:24] any item requiring discussion will be
[1:26] removed from the consent agenda. All
[1:28] consent agenda items will be reflected
[1:30] in full in the minutes. Number one,
[1:32] authorizing the purchase of an upfit for
[1:34] a police vehicle through New Jersey
[1:36] State Co-op purchasing program. Number
[1:38] two, recognizing inter international
[1:41] overdose awareness day, August 31st,
[1:44] 2026. That is the purple flags that you
[1:47] notice out in front of Burough Hall this
[1:49] month. authorizing the mayor and the
[1:52] clerk to execute an indemnity and trust
[1:55] agreement between the burrow and the
[1:57] central Jersey health insurance fund.
[2:00] Number four, authorizing a shared
[2:01] service agreement with Mammoth County to
[2:03] provide community rating system CRS
[2:05] project management software. Number
[2:08] five, award a contract to MRC Recreation
[2:12] for the supply and installation of
[2:14] playground equipment at the Priscilla
[2:15] Ireland Brower Park. Number six,
[2:18] amending policy and procedure.
[2:21] I get a motion on the consent agenda
[2:23] items pass and adopt.
[2:25] >> So
[2:25] >> second,
[2:27] >> yes.
[2:32] Can I get a motion that the bill is
[2:33] totaling $262,44148
[2:37] approved for payment?
[2:38] >> So moved.
[2:40] >> Second.
[2:41] >> Yes.
[2:46] Amending
[2:48] 112.2
[2:55] facility fees
[2:57] charges.
[3:09] » Can I get a motion that the ordinance be
[3:11] opened to the public?
[3:13] >> Second.
[3:14] >> Commissioner.
[3:15] >> Yes.
[3:18] Uh ladies and gentlemen, this is a
[3:21] uh a change specifically to the policy
[3:24] that we put in place
[3:27] six years ago or so.
[3:32] » Okay. So, three years ago, we made a
[3:34] change to the ordinance that allowed for
[3:36] people to purchase a replacement for
[3:39] their badges up at the pavilion in the
[3:42] event that they lost them. Um half
[3:45] price. So if you paid $100, you would
[3:48] pay $50 for the replacement of that
[3:50] badge.
[3:53] So in the three years since we have done
[9:00] from the audience.
[9:02] All right, we get a a motion to close
[9:04] the floor.
[9:05] >> So moved.
[9:06] >> Second.
[9:09] » Yes.
[9:10] And can I get a motion the
[9:12] ordinance be passed and adopted after
[9:14] the second reading and public hearing?
[9:16] >> So moved.
[9:16] >> Second.
[9:19] >> Yes.
[9:23] All right. We're going to move on to uh
[9:24] reports. Uh Anthony, the administrator's
[9:27] report.
[9:28] >> Yes.
[9:33] Couple weeks ago.
[9:47] She specifically named six individuals
[9:52] life.
[9:57] Eliza
[10:08] very
[10:22] great [snorts]
[10:25] You always
[10:39] » Thank you. Thank you, Anthony. And and
[10:41] um we should know, I think we we said in
[10:42] the beginning of the summer, that the
[10:43] lifeguards at the beach are all EMTs and
[10:46] um so we've got a good crew down there.
[10:48] So there's always somebody on on staff
[10:50] down there that can handle emergencies
[10:52] and obviously this is an example of
[10:54] that. So that's a good that's a good
[10:56] thing.
[10:57] Um Bruce the Burough attorney's report.
[11:01] >> Thank you. Uh Julie the engineers
[11:03] report.
[11:53] Were you guys able to put the picture
[11:54] up?
[11:57] >> We can do it now.
[12:01] » Just give us a sec while I threw
[12:03] something at Nick at
[12:07] 659.
[12:09] >> [laughter]
[12:12] » All right. So, thank you. So, I I took
[12:16] this picture up in Maine when I was
[12:19] still capable of walking around before I
[12:21] fell down. And I didn't trip over that,
[12:24] by the way. But, uh, in the town that we
[12:28] spent a lot of time at up there, town's
[12:30] name is Dam Ruscata, they have these
[12:32] little symbols on the sidewalk. you have
[12:35] to walk through the center of town runs
[12:38] coastal route one. It's a very busy road
[12:41] and um
[12:44] I thought this is an excellent thing for
[12:46] us to put on our sidewalks here so
[12:50] people just don't walk across the
[12:52] street. The biggest place we have the
[12:54] problem with is on Ocean A. And I know
[12:57] we have a one of one of our Ocean A
[13:00] residents who's seen accidents in front
[13:01] of his house when the pedestrians just
[13:04] walk and they get, you know, cars get
[13:06] rear ended. So, we're going to start
[13:09] implementing this around town when we
[13:11] start doing uh striping again. Uh
[13:14] probably at right out here, Beach Road,
[13:18] uh Riverdale, maybe down by the school
[13:21] as well. And if we can talk the DOT into
[13:24] it, we're going to try to do it on Ocean
[13:27] as well. So, so maybe it'll help if it
[13:31] just brings a little bit of awareness to
[13:32] everybody crossing the street. Don't
[13:34] just walk because as time has gone on,
[13:38] they passed that law what, 10 years ago,
[13:40] stopping for pedestrians.
[13:42] You know, pedestrians have gotten used
[13:43] to just walking across the street. But
[13:45] it works up there in in Maine in
[13:48] Dammerscotta. So, just wanted to make
[13:51] everybody aware we're still always
[13:53] trying to improve our safety of our
[13:54] pedestrians around town.
[13:57] >> Thank you, Nick.
[14:00] » All right. Anything else, Joel? Okay.
[14:03] All right. The chief of police is away
[14:05] this week. He is bringing his second
[14:09] child that's going to college this year
[14:10] off to college. So, he's away for a few
[14:12] days and uh on that duty. He'll be back
[14:15] next month. Uh Joe, do you have anything
[14:18] public works tonight?
[14:31] showing you what we do every month.
[14:38] It shows we have 22 days
[14:45] working
[14:57] for the rest of
[15:06] the calculation
[15:09] doesn't show any
[15:15] » or for any
[15:18] >> June
[15:21] 213
[15:25] days
[15:29] talking.
[15:40] So, I just wanted to bring to its
[15:54] beware.
[16:02] Joe, could you could you send these uh
[16:06] >> Okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.
[16:08] Thank you. It
[16:09] >> it's
[16:11] no secret to anybody with eyes that
[16:14] lives in this town that the Burough
[16:16] Street Department here does herculean
[16:18] work, Joe, and has for ever. and under
[16:21] your you know your leadership they have
[16:24] done a fantastic job as well. We are not
[16:27] at all disappointed with that. However,
[16:31] it is important for people to see it
[16:34] when it looks like that broken down how
[16:37] tenuous it can be to get all these
[16:38] things done in an eight hour day. Um
[16:42] particularly in the summer when all the
[16:43] workload is probably twice as much this
[16:46] as it is in the winter time. So, um,
[16:49] yeah, we're aware and
[16:52] we're going to make sure that you're
[16:53] staffed, Joe.
[16:55] >> One thing that the the burrow fathers
[16:57] know is that garbage being picked up and
[16:59] streets being plowed are are the things
[17:01] that most people recognize. We're going
[17:03] to make sure we get that done.
[17:06] >> Yeah.
[17:07] >> Okay. So,
[17:10] we need
[17:12] Anthony. [snorts]
[17:13] >> We need to hire. I I
[17:17] >> I I know we haven't started yet.
[17:22] [snorts]
[17:22] >> Immediately.
[17:24] >> Can you I think we should
[17:27] I'm no expert on uh staffing.
[17:31] >> Exactly.
[17:32] >> Public discussion, but I think we might
[17:34] need to to talk about timing and things
[17:36] like that just
[17:38] >> you know outside of
[17:40] >> So here here's what's going to happen.
[17:43] Jody didn't, you know, he went through
[17:44] what happened in June, you know, um we
[17:47] have a couple employees that are
[17:49] thinking about retiring.
[17:51] Um when you have an employee that's out
[17:53] sick and we had a couple of them out
[17:55] today, you're left with two employees
[17:58] and then Joe's on the garbage truck at
[18:01] bulk pickup. So, the first thing I'm
[18:03] going to tell you is there's no more
[18:04] bulk pickup until we get our manpower
[18:07] straightened out. All right? So you can
[18:10] everybody has to sign up online for the
[18:12] next couple weeks just for nothing. Not
[18:15] available. Okay.
[18:17] Because that's a big problem on
[18:19] Wednesdays.
[18:21] And then
[18:24] if it takes a while to hire somebody
[18:27] like if we if Anthony put an ad in
[18:29] tomorrow and he you know it'll be at
[18:31] least 30 days before somebody starts,
[18:33] right?
[18:37] My issue is right now I have no one.
[18:42] >> I understand that.
[18:46] >> But we need to be prepared when it
[18:48] happens. And if you wait till it
[18:49] happens,
[18:52] then you might only have one employee
[18:54] working that day with Joe. Okay? You
[18:57] can't wait till it happens. You have to
[18:58] be proactive.
[19:00] >> So,
[19:01] >> as the commissioner of public works, I'm
[19:03] asking you to hire somebody.
[19:05] >> All right?
[19:06] and we will have to figure
[19:08] out a way to deal with the financial
[19:09] impact of this
[19:12] >> and figure out how we can handle it.
[19:14] >> All right. So, if I could.
[19:15] >> Yep.
[19:15] >> As the commissioner of finance, we have
[19:19] a budget that's already in place. We
[19:21] have staff that didn't announce they
[19:23] were maybe going to retire until the
[19:25] budget was done. And now we have staff
[19:28] that we're going to need for next year. And that'll be next year's
[19:32] budget. We do not have the opportunity
[19:34] until November to move budget lines
[19:37] around if we were. I understand and I
[19:40] get it. And the pro part of the problem
[19:42] is folks that are retiring,
[19:45] we know what's going to happen. They're
[19:48] going to take their days. They're not
[19:49] going to be here. It the 2.1 is going to
[19:51] go to 3.1. I understand that. If there's
[19:55] an opportunity that we need to look at
[19:57] to amend the budget if it's at all
[19:59] possible, it's going to go again to the
[20:03] problem, not the problem, but the
[20:05] situation that we implemented. So, if we
[20:08] need to do that review to post to start
[20:11] now, I don't have a problem with it, but
[20:13] we're going to have a budget situation.
[20:15] >> So, last time last time we tried to hire
[20:17] somebody, it took us like
[20:19] >> five months before we got an applicant
[20:21] that was worthy, you know.
[20:23] >> Okay. Can I make a suggestion? And I,
[20:25] you know, I I have I got a little
[20:27] experience with this being a civil
[20:29] servant and and having worked in a place
[20:30] where this happened quite frequently in
[20:32] a much larger staff, right? So,
[20:37] first of all, we as a municipality, we
[20:40] need to try to make sure we get better
[20:41] at if if our rules aren't tight enough
[20:45] about making sure we know in advance
[20:47] that our employees are choosing to
[20:49] retire, we should address that. That's
[20:52] something we can address. and it doesn't
[20:53] take, you know, six months to do. That's
[20:56] one way to help to stem this as it
[20:57] approaches. Another way is that if you
[21:01] have a situation where someone is out
[21:05] extended time, sick time,
[21:08] why would we not seek to bring in
[21:11] part-time help,
[21:13] temporary staff, at least as a bridge
[21:15] between now and getting an application
[21:18] out if we can't afford it in this year's
[21:19] budget? Let's look to do some
[21:22] >> Okay, so maybe we could look to bring
[21:24] some temporary staffing in to hold this
[21:26] over so we can get to the point where we
[21:28] can figure this out and it fits within
[21:30] the municipal budget to get it done. But
[21:33] the the situation can't be left where we
[21:36] have nobody, Dave. I agree with you. So,
[21:38] we're going to have to take action in
[21:39] some form or fashion. either we if we
[21:42] can't find anybody to replace and we
[21:44] have employees that are gone for sure,
[21:46] then we're going to need to get out
[21:47] there and find a way to like we did a
[21:49] couple years ago, it may require us to
[21:51] start looking around at the
[21:52] municipalities around us similar size.
[21:54] What are they paying? Because that's
[21:56] what's going to make the difference
[21:57] between getting somebody here and not
[22:01] as
[22:04] we are in shape,
[22:08] >> right? because we took action, right? So
[22:10] we did
[22:25] So,
[22:26] >> so let let me go back to something
[22:28] Commissioner Bull said.
[22:30] >> We knew when we were doing the budget
[22:32] this was going to happen. This was came
[22:35] to fruition
[22:38] early last spring. So, we knew before we
[22:41] were doing the budget and we didn't take
[22:42] any action on it. Okay. So, I we have a
[22:46] very tight budget this year. I
[22:47] understand that. But I have been asking
[22:50] for this for several months to happen
[22:52] and it hasn't happened.
[22:55] And we're going to get to the day where
[22:58] the garbage isn't going to get picked up
[22:59] because we won't have somebody here.
[23:03] If some if they all call out sick, we
[23:05] don't have any control over that. We
[23:07] have control over vacation days.
[23:09] >> So, two things. Um, I think we were not
[23:12] permitted to put it in the budget until
[23:13] it's announced. So that hold my second
[23:17] question is uh we can we can look to
[23:20] amend that. But an easier way to look to
[23:22] amend is to see if Katie can talk to Bud
[23:25] and we can change the amount we're using
[23:27] from uh the reserve if we can use more
[23:30] from the reserve fund and add it to the
[23:32] budget to accommodate any part-time or
[23:35] you know seasonal work that might have
[23:36] to get us through the now till the end
[23:39] of the year. Is it possible to change
[23:41] that that line item?
[23:42] >> Well, we have other we have other
[23:45] circumstances that have to be addressed
[23:47] before inve
[23:52] I I get it. So let let's I think again
[23:55] personally not personally publicly I
[23:57] think we need to take the that situation
[24:00] a little bit offline look at where we
[24:03] can adjust the budget if possible with
[24:05] within the guidelines of allowing the
[24:08] budget to be amended by BUD uh andor um
[24:12] you know KD following up on that if we
[24:14] can add to the budget it might not
[24:16] change the tax situation but we if we
[24:19] can add to the budget somehow for this
[24:20] then Let's see if we can do that.
[24:23] >> Have you had any success, Joe? And Dave
[24:26] said you were kind of looking at that
[24:27] already.
[24:29] >> So, you you do have somebody.
[24:35] » No, I mean I mean I'm talking about
[24:36] somebody that we could use as a temp.
[24:39] >> Okay.
[24:40] So, is there opportunity for
[24:42] somebody else? Could we continue to look
[24:44] because we know we know sitting here
[24:46] that we're probably talking about a
[24:47] couple places that are going to have to
[24:48] be filled at some point in the not too
[24:50] distant future. Right.
[24:51] >> Right. So maybe you can find some people
[24:54] that not only going to road test them,
[24:56] but if they're looking for for
[24:58] employment, there there may be your door
[25:01] to get them in here, get them into the
[25:02] system, work them where the way we can
[25:04] now with the money we have as a
[25:06] temporary and then as soon as the
[25:08] opportunity arises when the positions
[25:09] available, the money will be sitting
[25:11] there because it'll be in the, you know,
[25:13] >> we we used to have money for uh
[25:16] temporary summer help in
[25:18] >> think
[25:19] >> do we still have that in line item? All
[25:21] right. So, there's a way to use it
[25:23] without maybe modifying our budget
[25:25] immediately.
[25:26] >> It It'll bridge us. It bridges us
[25:27] together.
[25:29] >> That's fine. I I just We need staff so
[25:32] that uh Joe's not driving the garbage
[25:34] truck and getting out and putting the
[25:36] garbage in the back of the truck
[25:37] himself. Okay. And, you know, we have
[25:41] two or three that could possibly retire
[25:44] over the next 12 months. And that's a
[25:48] lot to hire. You know, I think you got
[25:50] to get ahead of this. You can't wait for
[25:52] it to happen. You have to get ahead.
[25:56] >> And I know they haven't given us
[25:57] official notice,
[25:59] >> but no one's given us official.
[26:13] » I get it.
[26:14] At some point, getting the job done is
[26:17] more important than budget flexibility.
[26:20] And then we deal with the consequences
[26:22] of going over the budget next year when
[26:25] Bud does his report.
[26:29] Can we please we need to table the
[26:33] discussion because I will vehemently
[26:35] disagree with Commissioner Stickle on
[26:37] financial fiduciary responsibility and
[26:40] audit and opinion and the process of a
[26:42] budget. I respectfully request this is
[26:45] taken offline. We look for the line
[26:46] items and we discuss it. But to talk
[26:49] about don't not worrying about going
[26:51] over budget and dealing with the fallout
[26:53] and the ramifications of a of a of an
[26:56] audit and a budget. Sorry, that's my
[26:59] responsibility. I will not do it.
[27:01] >> I think we have a solution. We just
[27:02] discussed I think that takes us at least
[27:04] in the short term. Right.
[27:05] >> Correct.
[27:07] Take it offline.
[27:08] >> All right. So, we'll discuss this. Maybe
[27:10] what we'll do is we'll set ourselves up
[27:11] a workshop next month and we'll see
[27:13] where we are.
[27:14] as you know a meeting then we'll do that
[27:18] but it should not be debated tonight
[27:20] here because of things
[27:24] >> just just trying to stress the
[27:25] importance from my from my point of view
[27:27] I get I understand your point of view as
[27:29] well
[27:31] can't just go do the things you just
[27:34] maybe mentioned and not worry about it's
[27:37] >> not that I wasn't going to worry about
[27:38] it I just
[27:39] >> it's my responsibility
[27:40] >> we it's all of our responsibility
[27:42] because all three of us share in the
[27:44] whole running of the town equally
[27:45] >> and and Joe, we have a way forward here,
[27:47] right? So, we can keep looking. Maybe we
[27:50] find we go for a number two, right?
[27:52] >> Okay. All right.
[28:08] No, we're still working. We're still
[28:09] waiting for Jose.
[28:21] » Thank you, Joe. We appreciate that that
[28:23] breakdown. We do.
[28:30] » We got to tie it with a bow if we can on
[28:33] this
[28:34] So, I'd like to see that.
[28:39] » All right. Nothing else, Joe.
[28:42] >> Okay.
[28:44] >> All right. Can I get a motion to open
[28:46] the floor to the public?
[28:48] >> So, moved.
[28:52] » Yes.
[28:53] All right, folks. The the floor is
[28:56] open. Uh, if you have any questions in
[28:58] re in regards to what we were just
[28:59] talking about, that's fine. We're each
[29:01] individually going to give a little
[29:02] report here as well, so you'll be able
[29:04] to ask questions as that too. But go
[29:05] ahead.
[29:25] I did have a suggestion
[29:27] that
[29:34] schools
[29:35] call us
[29:42] Jan
[29:53] school.
[30:05] That's the first question.
[30:09] I have
[30:33] as a business owner. I can get many St.
[30:40] John
[31:05] Catholic.
[31:10] February.
[32:02] Thank you very much,
[32:03] >> Anthony. Um you do have a few
[32:06] connections in maybe the vocational
[32:07] schools for not much different
[32:11] >> not much different than some of the
[32:12] trades you know.
[32:16] >> Yeah
[32:18] I mean you know this is a can become a
[32:20] career job for people.
[32:23] >> Yeah
[32:25] thank you for the suggestion.
[32:48] com.
[32:55] However,
[33:01] It is
[33:04] one of the police officers.
[33:14] » Yeah.
[33:25] So, so we have a our our traffic control
[33:29] officer, uh, Goieski, Matt Goies, last
[33:32] year. Um, he's actually very very active
[33:35] and has been a lot of the changes you've
[33:36] seen here in the last couple years on
[33:38] our roads have a lot to do with Matt.
[33:40] So, Matt went and put a report together
[33:43] and sent a letter off to the DOT in
[33:45] regards to what you're talking about
[33:47] because we've had that suggestion for
[33:48] the last five or six years here. and um
[33:51] including uh lights as you're
[33:53] discussing. Um we expected as we
[33:56] normally expect that the DOT was going
[33:58] to reject that out of hand. To our
[34:00] surprise, the DOT wrote back positively
[34:04] and is now doing a study. So, you know,
[34:08] it's the DOT. So, we're hoping that the
[34:10] study isn't going to take until all of
[34:12] us are retired and gone somewhere. But,
[34:15] it is a big problem out there. They are
[34:17] aware of it. Um and um you know, we're
[34:20] going to keep pushing it. That the cones
[34:22] you see out there and all of those
[34:24] things that started after we took off us
[34:26] took office has to do with the changes
[34:28] that we made out there to try to slow
[34:30] traffic down. But I agree with you, it
[34:33] is it's hard. We have as many officers
[34:35] as we can get here in the summertime and
[34:37] it's still not enough. So, and that's
[34:39] most of our trouble is at Route 36. So
[34:42] they're aware
[34:43] >> and there's a lot more cones out there
[34:45] this year than there were last year
[34:46] because we're continually making
[34:48] improvements trying to get cars to
[34:51] realize that people cross the street
[34:52] there
[34:53] >> y
[34:53] >> and you know they [snorts] need to slow
[34:55] down a little bit but you know we were
[34:58] able to get the DOT down to 35 in the
[35:00] summer instead of 45.
[35:02] >> I I don't think we're ever going to get
[35:04] them to 25 because the north end of
[35:06] Seabbrite is the same situation at 35.
[35:09] We do know, we were just alerted what
[35:12] about a week and a half ago, two weeks
[35:13] ago, Julie, when we don't know the
[35:15] specifics, but we do know that the DOT
[35:18] is going to be embarking on some project
[35:21] out on Ocean Avenue. We we don't know
[35:23] the specifics. We're waiting on the
[35:24] details, but it has to do the one thing
[35:27] they did tell us is something has to do
[35:29] with that intersection at Beach and uh
[35:31] >> crosswalk change.
[35:33] >> So, we don't know.
[35:35] >> We're hopeful that, you know, they'll
[35:36] come out and say, "Oh, yeah. We're going
[35:38] to take your suggestion and flashing
[35:39] lights and stuff like that, but
[35:44] >> Yeah.
[35:49] >> Thanks.
[36:29] I don't have to tell you to taxpayers.
[36:35] is
[36:56] access.
[37:40] wanted to
[37:43] do that
[37:52] That's designed to
[37:55] make historic
[38:06] impatient
[38:26] consequences.
[38:31] The bill is
[38:33] over.
[38:42] responsible
[38:53] establish
[38:56] fund.
[39:02] So
[39:07] funds for any
[39:22] Um, so we actually
[39:46] participate.
[40:12] is
[40:15] supposed to
[40:40] gone.
[40:52] environmental concerns. I have
[41:04] my hope is that
[41:08] support resolution.
[41:28] nervous
[41:30] questions.
[41:32] Answer all of them.
[41:44] I I actually have something to say to
[41:46] you because I have looked into this
[41:47] since the last time that you were here,
[41:49] right? And and I'm interested in this
[41:50] stuff as well. Um I don't call myself an
[41:53] environmentalist, but I live at the
[41:55] beach just like you and been here
[41:56] forever. And I I can see it with my own
[41:59] eyes. Anybody that lives here, we all
[42:01] know that things aren't the same, right?
[42:03] It is definitely different. So,
[42:06] taking what you said previously, I
[42:08] looked into this. I I was under the
[42:11] impression that this um act, this
[42:14] environmental super fund act was a
[42:18] nationwide push to do something so that
[42:20] all of the states involved would step
[42:23] up. everybody would step forward and
[42:24] we'd find a way forward maybe to take
[42:26] some of the money that the fossil fuel
[42:29] companies are are currently charging us
[42:31] in a way maybe use some of that money to
[42:34] go back into the system and clean it up
[42:35] a little bit. Um I'm all for beginning
[42:37] to do something like that. But that's
[42:39] not what this is. What this is is the
[42:41] state of New Jersey trying to do this on
[42:43] its own. Um which is valiant. I get it.
[42:48] But it doesn't match. The numbers don't
[42:49] match. Right. So in New Jersey, um,
[42:52] we're somewhere in the one and a half to
[42:54] 1.7%
[42:56] right of what we actually contribute to
[43:00] climate, you know, the the climate uh
[43:04] emissions, right?
[43:07] I'm not telling you that's not going to
[43:08] help, but for the amount of money that
[43:11] it's going to cost the businesses that
[43:15] there's not many of them in New Jersey.
[43:16] Um, there are, I don't know, a handful
[43:20] of refineries up and down the East
[43:22] Coast. New Jerseyy's got a couple of
[43:23] them.
[43:25] It brings in [snorts] hundreds of
[43:26] millions of tax dollars to the state
[43:28] every year. 40,000 jobsish that all are
[43:32] centered here in New Jersey. And and I
[43:35] don't know what I don't know,
[43:38] but if I'm a refinery and one state acts
[43:41] like this and it's costing me an immense
[43:44] amount of money to continue to work
[43:46] there, why not just move my operations
[43:49] somewhere else because there's nobody
[43:51] else doing it. That's the only way this
[43:53] works in my view. And I'm not saying
[43:55] that I wouldn't support something like
[43:56] this if that was more of the tact that
[43:59] was being taken, if it was a nationwide
[44:00] effort because I think that I would. But
[44:02] I think New Jersey would be taking a big
[44:05] risk for all of us for the costs that
[44:08] would be passed on to us. And um I for
[44:11] that reason I I can't support this
[44:13] particular effort. I I do support it as
[44:17] a grand scale for sure. But locally in
[44:19] New Jersey I I think this needs to go to
[44:22] the congressman.
[44:23] Bring it to Frank Palone. All right.
[44:25] Bring it to bring it to them to bring
[44:27] this to Congress because that's where
[44:29] the success is going to be had. Not in
[44:31] New Jersey.
[44:54] So I just wanted
[45:12] is
[45:17] not
[45:35] business.
[45:40] I'm not saying
[45:55] » right.
[46:07] So, um, as you and I talked about, um,
[46:11] Monday night in the environmental
[46:12] commission meeting, um, I still have to
[46:15] see
[46:17] exactly how they're going to take out
[46:19] money from past profits
[46:22] so it doesn't affect the current bottom
[46:24] line because I don't know any businesses
[46:26] that just have past profits sitting in a
[46:28] uh, CD account, say, you know, earning interest because
[46:33] >> because if they are, we need to figure
[46:35] that out. Commissioner Bolsh on our
[46:36] budget how we can do that. All right. Um
[46:39] >> yeah and and
[46:43] so
[46:45] couple a couple other questions though
[46:46] Jackie. Um
[46:50] » are any other states doing it? Because
[46:52] when I researched it I think there's
[46:53] only one or two other states that have
[46:54] done it.
[46:55] >> York.
[46:56] >> New York and Vermont. Okay.
[47:06] So, so they're giving they're
[47:08] giving the companies that are in New
[47:09] York plenty of time to leave
[47:13] >> before they get before they have to pay
[47:14] that unless they're going to go after
[47:16] them after they leave the state.
[47:18] >> So, that's why I say I'd need to read
[47:38] I I have no doubt about that and I agree
[47:39] with you on that. However, when you look
[47:41] at other countries like India, China,
[47:44] all the third world countries,
[47:47] they don't even have to abide by any of
[47:49] the Paris climate change accords which
[47:53] all right. So we do something and then
[47:54] all the pollution from China blows
[47:56] across the Pacific Ocean to us in India,
[47:58] right? So you know
[48:04] » I understand how a little bit how the
[48:06] earth works and all the ocean currents
[48:08] are all connected at some point in
[48:11] somewhere right and all the wind
[48:14] directions go all the way around the
[48:16] earth. So,
[48:17] >> it's a bigger problem, which is why I
[48:19] agree with Mayor Summers about this
[48:22] should be done on a national level, not
[48:25] a statewide level, you know, and
[48:28] >> that's where the impact is going to be.
[48:29] >> Yeah,
[48:31] you're right. But at a national level,
[48:35] >> yeah, I I I'd agree with you. I'm not
[48:37] saying it shouldn't be done. And
[48:40] >> if the bill does pass, absolutely, we
[48:42] would try to get our fair share of of
[48:44] the money out of it to what to do what
[48:46] we could. Maybe uh Mayor Summer's idea
[48:49] of a little a little burm around
[48:51] Manahassid
[48:53] uh Creek, maybe we could get money to do
[48:55] that, which we've never been able to do.
[48:56] You know, something like that that would
[48:58] be almost a shovel ready project that we
[49:00] have.
[49:01] >> Um did Mammoth County endorse this? The
[49:04] county
[49:05] >> at the county level?
[49:06] >> Yes.
[49:17] Joyce right there.
[49:19] [laughter]
[49:33] I know you as well.
[50:02] So
[50:04] again,
[50:12] it seems it seems fair. There's
[50:20] our perspective.
[50:25] So, have any other countries tried to do
[50:28] this yet?
[50:45] » I app again I appreciate you're coming
[50:47] here and please feel welcome to come.
[50:49] you know, we we would love to hear from
[50:51] you on environmental issues. All of us
[50:53] here are are conscious of that. Um,
[50:57] however, in this one particular case, at
[50:59] the moment, I'm not on board. It doesn't
[51:02] mean I wouldn't be on board if I saw
[51:03] this more grand because I think that's
[51:05] where the impact will be. But
[51:07] individually,
[51:09] um, I I think it in in to Dave Dave's
[51:12] point, he alluded to it a little bit. I
[51:14] think this could have more of more of an
[51:16] impact on our on our pocketbooks in the
[51:19] state, an un unintended consequence
[51:22] because of it. And and I'd be afraid of
[51:24] that with the situation we're in right
[51:26] now. Everybody's I mean, it's $4 a
[51:28] gallon for gasoline. Who who thought it
[51:30] was going to be that last year, right?
[51:31] So, that's where we are. I'd be afraid
[51:33] to add anything else to that. I mean our
[51:35] Joe's fuel our budget's getting hit by
[51:38] the left and the right between health
[51:40] care fuel costs. This is just adding
[51:43] just like it does at the house. Right.
[51:44] So we have to be conscious of that not
[51:46] to put ourselves in that position if we
[51:49] can. Right.
[52:01] So, so if you get updates, if you want
[52:05] to send them to us,
[52:06] >> Yeah.
[52:06] >> or come back in another meeting and say
[52:08] it got it passed the House, it's in the
[52:11] Senate. You know, please keep us updated
[52:13] as to what's going on with it. If you
[52:15] get more information, you know, on
[52:17] exactly how the fines are going to be
[52:20] handed out out of past profits, I'm sure
[52:22] Commissioner Bolsh, who's a CPA, would
[52:25] like to read that and be interested in
[52:27] that, you know. So please,
[52:33] » we've already we've already been given a
[52:36] copy of the bill and like I mean
[52:40] not the easiest thing to read. So
[52:42] [laughter]
[52:43] >> they never are.
[52:47] >> Yeah.
[52:48] As as everybody knows, my 16
[52:51] credits of business law college don't
[52:52] qualify me to read that. I got here.
[52:55] How's that?
[52:58] >> [laughter]
[53:01] » No worries. Thank you again.
[53:02] >> Thanks, Jack.
[53:04] >> All right. Do we have anybody else from
[53:06] the public?
[53:09] >> All right. Um, Larry, Commissioner Bol,
[53:11] do you have anything for us this month?
[53:12] >> Uh, nothing from finance.
[53:14] >> Okay. Anything?
[53:15] >> I don't have anything else. We already
[53:17] went over my little yellow circles.
[53:19] >> Okay. I have nothing else this month as
[53:21] well. So, with that, I'll ask for a
[53:23] motion to close the floor to the public.
[53:25] I'll make a motion to close the floor to
[53:27] the public and close the meeting.
[53:29] >> I I Yes, Larry. Second that.
[53:33] [snorts]
[53:35] >> Yes.
[53:36] Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
[53:37] We'll see you all in September.