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Rob, we were thinking those were sitting there, but the chair has a little massager in the back.

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Oh, it was a key. What was that?

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I don't need to. I just need to.

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We're doing a whole series on mental income housing.

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Because then we'd be like, what is that?

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What is that?

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There are numbers.

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Three more?

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Yeah, I think there's how many more markers, how many more middle income presentations do you have?

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Three or two more information.

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And then we have the policy item, the last one.

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The fourth one. Okay. Yeah.

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Do we have an extra page copy of this?

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It's down here with all this.

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There was no chair. I figure it was left that way.

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I couldn't get a thousand cent for all the town people.

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You should sit down here, my queen, and me.

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Well, I could have gone down there.

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You should walk around the table and make people move.

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We should walk out half the table.

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I kind of feel like this is like school.

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Like, I'm just down here.

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Who's down here?

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Man up is down here.

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Yeah, it's so clean.

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It is.

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The chiefs will sit down.

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That's it, you guys.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, chiefs over there.

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I didn't bother you. I thought you were in.

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Oh, yeah, I just wrapped up.

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So, sorry, that's not Alice covered in that.

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We've been waiting for you to arrive.

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Okay.

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You got to sit right here.

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If you'd rather share.

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I hope you guys, I sent the paper off the door because you know, it was called we, and it felt like we're sequestered.

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Do you know what the lines to clear to my juices break from it and want to tell the staff they're in here.

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You guys at the memo that we're attached today.

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I wish I would have.

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He was going.

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He was going.

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Great.

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Who's the chair of this?

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He has a hundred degrees.

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He's holding it.

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At least the rest of the room.

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All right.

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I'm like, why does somebody get a call with the whole breakfast?

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Well, so we were that.

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And we're like trying to figure out who you're not here.

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Who's going to do it?

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That is a fishing would not be where there's an outcome

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This is the regular meeting, May 7th of the Motor County and Town and Man with Lakes Liaison Committee, and our first opportunity, our first item is an opportunity for the public to

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to address the board.

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There's something on the agenda or not on the agenda.

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Do we have anybody online?

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There are no hands raised on the Zoom.

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I'm here.

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So we'll move to our second agenda item,

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which is meeting minutes.

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Bending minutes from our February 5th meeting.

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I vote to approve the minutes as stated.

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Second.

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Okay, great.

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All those in favor?

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We'll move to to be and this is a discussion of topics of interest for the two bodies the town in the county. Our first item is rent control for mobile home parks.

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And this may be a surprise for some of you, and others of you, it may not be a surprise,

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this topic.

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But don't think it's a surprise for any of us, could we also receive some of those e-mails

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and I think our crew has been working on some white paper board and other elements that

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we have from our attorney and I think we're ready to share some stuff or use the dialogue

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around it.

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Yeah, so I can jump in and Marcus can fill in the blank. So real quick before we get to that, I mean, so this came to this board, I think through a series of emails from community members concerned about rent increases that they were having locally in town and I think they copied all of the

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they elected, you know, I think they're part of the board of supervisors, as well as county

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I'm going to go out and get a couple of words because Kathy Copeland became aware of it and

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put this first in the touch with me, which I went there, but anyway, she just started

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that dialogue again, that the owner here is a very nice, he trails around, raises

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rents, doesn't do anything around here, doesn't listen to friends, doesn't

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say anything with these numbers are rent. So I think I've reached out to Jennifer who, you know,

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helped me understand more about what the legalities of who has the actual power, if any, to control rent

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in home parks. And then she, my suggestion to her was that she copy other people, that she

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maybe come to a town council meeting and talk about it. So that'd be someone who works at

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the hospital who got more interested in being able perhaps to do something about this.

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Sure and so yeah it came to us you know within the town there's there's two mobile

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parks within the town. I'm not sure how many there are outside of the town in the

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county or if the county's even looking at doing anything countywide.

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And so we had after we got interested began talking with Andy and he was

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are incidentally trucky as a similar issue. They had tasked BVK with kind of

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producing a white paper on it because BVK has a lot of experience elsewhere about

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kind of how it can be done, different formats that cities have

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successfully done with it. The kind of underlying or like bottom line is you

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have cities and jurisdictions absolutely can do rent control in mobile

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home parks. However, you still have to provide an opportunity for the mobile home park owner to

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make kind of a modest return on their asset that they own. So you can't just go in and say, you

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know, absolutely you cannot raise rents. You have to set up in such a way. So Andy did share

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that white paper out with all the town council members in an email earlier today with just

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It's kind of some background, some bullet points and rather we have touch race and if

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that can be shared out with county or not.

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Yeah, I don't know the answer to that but I think there's some.

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Yeah, you also provided a link in there that we can definitely share the link out of there's

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a kind of a database that has links to every city or county that has a mobile home park

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right control so links to all of their ordinances and where he definitely comes

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from looking at those is that everyone is different and how they're doing it and

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so Mark if you want to add anything on that yeah I mean generally it's kind of

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linked to like inflation so like the consumer price index you can't really

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go back either so it'd be like whatever the rents are now and kind of cap it

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going forward, but it's not really going to solve the current problem of, I think, a

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schedule, especially as like the higher currently has quite high rents are ready.

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So I think for us anyway, after we get through some legal things, I think it'll be setting

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expectations about what can and cannot be done because I think certainly you can do

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kind of some control going forward, but it may not solve the current times immediate

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issues.

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And then those issues of like poor management or disputes with the management, things

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like that that wouldn't really address any of that it would we're really just

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talking about the rent and it's pretty limited so yeah I think a lot of that if

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we did a presentation I think that would be kind of focus the presentation be

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what we can and cannot do and kind of setting the expectations so may I

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questions I had because I read all of that modest return but it doesn't say

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based on what so a modest return for the gentleman that owns the park we're

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talking about you bought it in the 60s paid nothing for it so is it based on

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the that cost advertised out over or is it based on what the value of that

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property is if he uses it to build condos or something else because as an

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mobile home park it's value is here as well that's the great thing about the

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town it's zoned mobile home so it can't become condos unless you as the town

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council change the zoning of it. Is it on mobile home? Yes both of them are zoned mobile home and

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that's beautiful the county doesn't have that and something we're talking about you mentioned you

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didn't know what the county was doing we're talking about you know do we want to do that

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because it is a good model to maintain the value if you will that it because it can't be

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improved the pond to a higher rate.

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It's its own mobile home parks and our presumed in so that

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designation only applies to the two parks and then we have some

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footage if we were to add any new areas like with the

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what the development standards would have to be for those.

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But the bill they return basically though it says the fair return in

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quotation marks is based it can be based on a return on investment

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or a return on the value or more maintenance of that income.

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So it's not, it's determined by the decisions that are made in the ordinance.

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So I think that's part of, yeah, when you look at everyone, every, every ordinance is structured in a different way.

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There's a precedent, like there's like a legal framework that you're sort of limited by because this has gone through the courts, I think multiple times.

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Yes.

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So then you have choices of how you could do that analysis and that would be the decision

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like where do you want to set that benchmark, where every year you're doing that analysis

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and setting that rate.

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Right, I'm assuming we would have to start with the current benchmark or what is currently

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charging.

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Absolutely.

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Which is a massive profit.

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Right, but at least you're stabilizing it and that's why it's actually called

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a rent stabilization, not rent control, it's rent stabilization, that's what they're

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technically called, and why that's really all it does is preclude it from going up just

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arbitrarily and ties it to something.

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So there's a little bit more of a baseline and a no for the owners, like, okay, we can

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expect this or no more than this every year.

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So they can budget for it and plan for it.

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And when they sell it, they can tell the new buyers, you know, you can plan for

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it too.

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it's not just going to be all over the place, because the states never included mobile home

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parks in their rent stabilization laws, like they have apartments.

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But I spoke with a gentleman who's been doing this for 35 years writing these policies.

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I did put him in touch with Marcus, and he emphasized that it's really important

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and to make your policy as court-proof as possible

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by making it equitable.

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Because if you just go one-sided,

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you're gonna end up in court and you don't wanna do that.

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So he's very good at writing those policies

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that encourage you if you go down that route,

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at least to have a conversation with him.

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I know you work with BBK,

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but anyway, that's my recommendation.

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And so I think our position was step one, Andy, sending out that white paper to council

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members and then kind of, you know, we're looking for some feedback, you know, via raw

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from council.

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Do you want this to come to council as kind of a discussion item, kind of presenting

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on the various, here's different, here's what it is, here's different ways this can

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be implemented and then kind of getting council feedback if there's an interest to come

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back with an ordinance or to go further on this because you know it's paying the

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feedback you know via council via the community is this something adventurous

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versus us just bringing something forward. Yeah because I get concerned a

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little bit from the standpoint of you got somebody who's got challenge with the

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ski trails it may be fairly different now someone comes in R2 and they've got

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challenged with their condo complex and wants us to control rents in the

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So I just want to make sure we're equitable and how we approach.

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You can't do that.

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Are you sure?

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Yeah, you can't control an HOA.

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They all have rights and they're voting members.

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They own it.

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So they couldn't control it.

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What if it's not an HOA?

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What if it's a rental property within the zone that's renting out and now they feel

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that they're being overburdened.

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A multi-family?

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A multi-family home.

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They already have right control.

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The state has right control.

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Yeah, but I just want to make sure we're fair and that's part of the conversation is making

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sure that's part of the discussion if we're looking at imposing a mandate on one area

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that would just be fair across board.

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I think the mobile home is kind of a specialized thing.

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This rent stabilization and kind of the way it's gone through the courts and through

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the laws is pretty unique.

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It's a unique kind of segment of housing.

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You know, reading that whole document, this is me personally, and I think I can't

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believe the rents are charging down there.

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just obscene. And I've heard from people in both mobile home parks and my capacity at

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Mammoth Lakes Housing for over a decade people have been coming in the office and very scared of

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retaliation and not willing to come to the town council and coming through Mammoth Lakes

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Housing at that time and it just never went anywhere when I would have conversations with

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folks at the town. So I'm happy to at least hear that it's being discussed right now

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But it's not new and it's not just specific to that park. It's both of them

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The other one went through a ownership transition, you know within the past probably I don't know five or ten

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somewhere you know somewhat recently and

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You probably are familiar with that one a little bit to Linda and and they had the same challenges that

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Rents went way up and services went down and they were very upset as well. So I don't think it's just one park

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No, it's all two is that you know

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The threat that I've heard over the years from at least one of the owners of the mobile

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park is fine. I'll just sell it, and I think the bill passes on it. But usually the zoning

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would prevent that. So we're better out of town than we would be in the county.

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Yeah.

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I think regardless of the zoning, I'm correct, I'm wrong. It's very hard to remove a mobile

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park.

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Yeah, right.

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Regardless of its own mobile park or not, in the state of California, there's state

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law, there's a process.

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Well, and the owners have, I think, an opportunity to buy, and I'm not that familiar with it,

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but there's a significant process, not just you can't just sell it.

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And I think the market's at it.

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But they do.

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Well, I mean, it happens.

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It does happen.

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It happens like in Palo Alto.

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It's happening all over.

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It does happen.

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And I don't think there's a requirement that they have an opportunity to buy it.

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But it's not reduced.

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It's at market value.

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Right.

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I mean, it's very tough for the tenants to buy it without some kind of subsidy.

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But it is an important piece of our sort of housing stock, if you will, because it's a certain need for that.

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And when we do, you know, adding up what you get every year, does that – what's the weight of mobile home space, as opposed to just like a rental unit?

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Are you thinking like Raina?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, it doesn't count at all.

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No, it's really just intrinsic to your infrastructure of your community.

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Your community mountains.

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It doesn't kind of mean at all.

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No, because it's not restricted.

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Yeah.

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And it provides, I mean, it provides in the inventory of housing, they were to go away

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to be...

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I don't know where we'd be.

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After the data we got last night from you, Margaret.

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I think it's an important consideration, right?

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We're talking about potentially imposing this rent stabilization and that's going

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to potentially cause a sale.

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and then we're not going to have that housing at all, you know, some of the way, certainly,

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and we can look at that a little bit, but hard to predict, right? I mean, I don't think it would go

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away because it's got to stay a mobile home. Sure, but they could change the kind of the type of,

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right, or there's different ways that they can do mobile home, right? Well, I mean,

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I guess they could make it like a senior only, and they could bring in nicer homes and like

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I'm thinking because that right now is kind of, you know, it's a lot older mobile homes

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there and the way it's laid out and they potentially change that.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

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So it's been said to council as far as the information that we have.

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You're seeking whether that can be shared with the county, the documents?

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Yeah, I know Annie had some concern just that the way the documents are written,

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you don't want to be just put out to the public broadly.

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Right.

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The link can stop. I think what's in the body of the email can be shared as well.

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I think there's 80 jurisdictions in the state, is that right?

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Yeah, this database is pretty robust. I don't know who put it together, but it kind of...

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I was like, links to every department is really useful.

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I'd like to see the county get serious about this.

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Okay.

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I think it would be great if we ultimately go forward with something the county does,

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if there can be alignment on policy too because the other side of it is if we did

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go forward with any kind of rent stabilization you only have two parks but

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if we have something on both creating it we absolutely have to do oversight on it

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and actually like enforce whatever we put we can't just say like okay you're

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You have to 3% CPI a year and then do nothing like it.

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And I wrote a term.

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My approach was I have questions on it because someone bought four units maybe down there.

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They bought four mobile homes.

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They bought four units, a clean company.

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And they got staff stand there.

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Oh, okay.

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So they're using it for housing.

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I mean, that seems, it's not illegal, what's wrong with that?

295
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No, now they're selling the units.

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They're trying to sell them to the people that just rented them at a very high price.

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And so it's like this whole thing of, okay, but we're going to get rid of you if you don't buy the unit, so you need to buy the unit.

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So there's some, just, there's a lot of little...

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Well, that sounds like maybe a legal aid issue.

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But just saying it may not be anything illegal but just in fact people are trying to monopolize

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on that space and charge exorbitant amount of money.

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So I'm going to kind of reach out and poll the council to see if they want to do that.

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I guess my question to the county is is there anything that we feel we can work together

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on this combined or is it two separate things and maybe we support the execution of each

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of those and they wouldn't, I don't help each other on this. So the county is looking at a mobile home

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park in Bridgeport, the owner of which we sell and we're trying to facilitate preservation of that

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with the affordable rent so that it doesn't go to somebody who's going to jack up their rents

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because they're really affordable but as I said we don't have any mobile home specific, I think

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it might be sound commercial and it's not conforming. But when I spoke with Sandra about

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this, she was surprised to learn that we didn't have the same zoning as the town. So I think

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it's something we need to talk about. Maybe the housing ad hoc could put it on our agenda

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and talk about it and see if we want to bring something. Because I think it's,

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If we do this pilot where we help somebody buy this mobile home park, maybe a non-profit

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ideally and preserve it as affordable housing, maybe that's a model that we do with throughout

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the county.

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That's kind of where we've been approaching it from, not so much the land use side

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or the rent stabilization, but if a non-profit owned it, that would inherently create some

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rent stabilization.

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So it's kind of different ways to go about it, I guess, and I'm not sure where the county wants to go.

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Is there any incentive to rezone?

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That's, I think, a lot more complicated.

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We talked, Sandra and I talked a little bit about that.

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I mean, the board has the right to do that, right?

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We have the policing power.

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I believe, right, no one has land use.

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What are you supposed to be on?

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Isn't that a tank?

328
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Yeah, if you were to.

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I don't think you could just apply, you'd have to probably compensate them in some way

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for-

331
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Yeah, that's kind of what we were wondering what we would have to do.

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So maybe the route we're looking at where we financially incentivize like a deed restriction

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on them is a better route for us as the county versus the rent stabilization.

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So I think we need to talk some more about it because we're in a different, a little

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bit of a different both than you are.

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So the state has, I'm going back in my mind, dealing with customers, the mobile home parks

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here when the first huge almost double increase came in and I was told by one of the owners

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that the reason to do that was one, they would love to buy it up so they'd get rid

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of the mobile homes, but two, the state was coming forward with legislation which

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I thought happened, it would, once you are a mobile home park, would restrict you from

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just selling.

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Even if it's not zoned that way, and again, this is my memory here, I haven't looked

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this up recently, you would have to pay for the relocation of all of those things.

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In fact, the case in the zoning almost makes no difference.

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The other was, I was under the impression that quite a while ago, the state made it

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so that they can only raise the rate by a certain percentage each year, which was another

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reason that the two owners, the two families that owned those parks, doubled the rent before

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any of that went into place.

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So it's been threatened.

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This legislation keeps coming forward and it gets lobbying right out.

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So it hasn't been successful at this day.

352
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Okay. With regards to the relocation, I don't know the ins and outs of the relocation, but maybe Andy could find out for you guys.

353
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We really didn't go to the next. Yeah.

354
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Yeah, it's a big one. air curtain burners. This is another hot topic in my book anyway.

355
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I don't know Paul is on Paul. Oh, you're here so that's great.

356
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Sorry.

357
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I don't know if you guys all know Chad Sr. and he's going to be our new Public Works

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Director.

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Congratulations.

360
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Yeah, it's very exciting.

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And we bought one with some grant money and we have it.

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And we've been talking about it since, I don't know, when, December.

363
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And lo and behold, it's not ready because we need a permit, I guess.

364
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Which is frustrating.

365
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Is it the permanent, located one of the homeless or?

366
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Yeah, homeless valley, but the hold up right now I think is the Great Basin.

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Yeah.

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They don't really, they've never done it permanently just before, so they're trying to kind of

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work through that side of things.

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The time frame I have, when I go from, I haven't been involved too much in some time

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to catch up.

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Okay.

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But it was purchased, delivered on March 2nd, permanent was submitted to the Great

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based on on the third. They won't look at it until you receive a check. So they sent a check

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out and 12 of this one March. Okay. So they're looking at it and they have a 30 day comment

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period that was stated in April 20. So the estimated timeline from Karen is approximately

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the end of June for them to get kind of everything in order on the set limits on

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the burrowing is hopefully.

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The initial previous conversations are worse than limits passed about, I thought, for that.

380
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From which side?

381
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Well, I think Paul had some stuff.

382
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Well, we per the permit would require the burrowing $5,000 tons a year.

383
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Okay.

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Great basin was looking at setting something slightly above that as a limit, which is

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worth $6,000.

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$6,000.

387
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Yeah.

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But that's to be determined.

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And that's, yeah, by location, right?

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Yes.

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And that one's permanent and then, I guess, ESCOG didn't get the funding yet to buy it.

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It's still waiting.

393
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It's still waiting.

394
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Yeah.

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And that would be a more mobile one.

396
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Yeah.

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What is the cost of the mobile one?

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I don't know.

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She's in 250, I think.

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Because we, that's what we have a great interest in.

401
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I was wondering, did you guys buy one?

402
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No.

403
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We should find a new way to test drive yours.

404
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Or the ASCOV-1, maybe, because you were having a smaller one.

405
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His paradise already has it, so I took the test.

406
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I know.

407
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Yeah, this is frustrating for me personally,

408
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because I've been really thinking that we were going to get a lot done this summer.

409
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And I think at the POMA's landfill, we will still.

410
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Yeah, it's going to happen this summer.

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because it could pile up right. We can still bring stuff from like Town Cleanup Day up there and it

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could sit. Yeah we have some big piles there and we need to burn them. Yeah we we got a little

413
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black eye last time from yeah from I don't know who it was it was upset about it but

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us our town cleanup efforts right produced a lot of materials for that landfill and

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So I'm interested in that. But I think, you know, our, our desire is to understand how that functions and whether or not it is something that we may use some recommendation one time funding to acquire for the town.

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And, you know, working with Alice's graph or new gravel truck, really kind of getting an opportunity to get stuff off the landscape sooner rather than later.

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How big is Grapple? Like how big is...

418
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So it's basically like almost like you see, it's not quite an 18-wheeler, but it's just

419
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a standard truck to see remove snow. It's a big Grapple that can fill it. This one's a little

420
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unique because it's a slide-off. So it almost feels like a standard container if you've seen

421
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But, you know, the grapple is the actual clothe.

422
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The grapple of the clothe, I think that was rated for 1,000 pounds, just in the field actually.

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And so it's made to pick up, like, piles of limbs and stuff, it's really not made for

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a long time.

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And then you would take that to families.

426
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If that's where it's going.

427
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,900
And yes, we had some discussions on, you know, do we have these mobile air curtains?

428
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And I guess the question is, if we're permitting it for going mobile, one, should we start

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to get on that now if it's a, is that a possibility for the second one? And then are we doing that

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per site or are we doing that per unit?

431
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No questions.

432
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But it has to be burning in order for a grade base to do the testing, right?

433
00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:33,240
No, no, there's precedent, so I've actually seen coordination with Nalata County, View

434
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County, and in Kerm County. They've all had permits through their air boards.

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They

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any kind of information from them, copies of their permits and what they've done and

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the Great Basin.

438
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:56,300
But Great Basin, no, sounds rude, but I mean, they do realize that the county is one of the

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signatures and on the board of directors of Great Basin.

440
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So are we getting the best service possible from Great Basin?

441
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,980
Was that technical?

442
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:06,080
Did I, did I do that?

443
00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:09,100
We're getting blocked out service, consummate, web, signature.

444
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,740
It's a legitimate question.

445
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Thank you.

446
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We are in constant coordination with them, let's just say that.

447
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Do we need to send a letter?

448
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I'll have to give you the term.

449
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:21,220
So the question that Alice raised is a really good one.

450
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I was today because we're on board.

451
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,640
I wasn't there other than that.

452
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,000
You're on board.

453
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Because I know they talked about it being a permit by location,

454
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but it has to probably also tie to a particular unit in that location.

455
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I'm just assuming, but I don't know.

456
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,020
Yeah, we'd have to have all the specs for whatever you're going to buy if you wanted to do it before you need to do it.

457
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:50,000
But like if we were to do the, like let's say the mobile one that SCOG is specced out, we said okay that's the model.

458
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,260
Let's say we get the test drive at once and it's pretty cool and we want to buy, you know, get something like that.

459
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Do we just say this is the specs, this unit will be in these locations, we get permits for all that.

460
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And then decide how we want to roll it. And I think looking for how to implement.

461
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Yeah, because regardless of this, it was going to be a tool for this area. So can we start

462
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,840
the permit process now? If we can, do we need to do it for different locations or do we

463
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,660
need to do it for the unit, essentially?

464
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,280
I don't have the exact answer for that. I think you could start doing it early if

465
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,480
you have the locations and they can start developing the bare minutes for you. And then

466
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,520
And once you actually purchased, they could probably,

467
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,860
you thought you prepared to move forward.

468
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:32,780
I was sure you have his thoughts around a site

469
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:36,180
in town that you would want to do it if we had a mobile one.

470
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:40,780
Yeah, I think we can talk, that's gonna depend on this.

471
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,300
It doesn't take up a ton of space,

472
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:45,340
so we could, I mean the two logical ones

473
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:47,960
are town yard where we had the wood last time.

474
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,280
That would probably suffice,

475
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:51,840
if we wanted to not go there,

476
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:53,900
we could do it, we lost his trailer,

477
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:13,200
So we can talk to Chris and who, since ESCOG is technically running this, can we assist

478
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,640
them or is there somebody who can run with the program?

479
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,420
I think we should, in my mind, talking out loud.

480
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:27,040
the piece of equipment at Thomas is stationary and there's more material than

481
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,540
you guys can deal with in a season. Correct. And so working out a collaborative

482
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:36,880
program for a mobile unit will probably take the count of going through an

483
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,720
exercise to figure out which communities get it, timing of that, how

484
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,940
the town would participate in that, and then building a program. We need that

485
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:52,120
to give to Great Basin to say here's our plan, here's the unit, here's the projected amount of

486
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,540
material so that we can give them what they need to start doing, you know, whatever it is they're

487
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:01,440
going to do. For the county it would probably want to center around the community cleanup days

488
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,120
that we have, those communities have them. That would make sense to block out that

489
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:17,800
whatever how many days those are put it on in the presentation nice yeah I think

490
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:27,440
that makes sense to me I mean I mean for the equipment for all year yeah yeah

491
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,420
the equipment can whether or not great basins right up to that limit real

492
00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:35,840
restrictions at us but I think it's who's is to start dabbling in this to see

493
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:43,180
It was 5,000 tons a year, a smaller burner would obviously be different.

494
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,240
That mobile burner has some other unique characteristics.

495
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,620
It has to be moved every so often.

496
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,980
The ash builds up and it has to be relocated.

497
00:32:57,260 --> 00:33:00,720
So we probably want to spend some time looking at the different sites

498
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,620
and kind of making sure that it works for that equipment.

499
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:07,320
Does the material have to be fully dried before it burns?

500
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:11,840
No, one of the advantages is when the forest pile burns,

501
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,620
you're looking at three years, we could move material much quicker.

502
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,300
Yeah, I'm just thinking about all that stuff.

503
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,820
Yeah, we'll say that there is some issues depending on what you're going to burn.

504
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,300
There's the Title V, I don't know if you remember that,

505
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
where it kind of governs air regulations for anything.

506
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:36,800
you want to kind of avoid the tidal five process if you have to. What I mean by that is if we're

507
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,040
going to do a pumice valley is designate the white as traditional fuels. No, it's not like

508
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:48,640
we're burning trash at all. It's not like we're burning anything that is considered trash. It's

509
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,300
all clean white. And if you go try to para for something else, you're going to open up

510
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,660
of the canworms in three title five per minute.

511
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,220
And it burns cleaner than just letting it burn naturally.

512
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:01,360
Yeah, much cleaner.

513
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:03,720
It essentially reburns the suit that comes out of there

514
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,300
and it's much cleaner than open air burning.

515
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,680
Yeah, there's some value to the carbon that comes out of it.

516
00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:13,240
There is the ability, if you had clean soil,

517
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,700
good clean soil that you can add that to the ash

518
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:19,000
and produce biochar and that is a benefit

519
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,140
for agricultural and stuff like that.

520
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:27,600
You'll be able to find a partner and some agriculture down south that's interested that would take our material

521
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,620
I don't think it's an option for promise folly because it's kind of like something sand up there. I'm not sure it would work

522
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,120
You know you think about this program we're mitigating trips, right?

523
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,460
This is not just about bringing this great opportunity

524
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:55,180
to the communities.

525
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,760
It's about mitigating the transport of this material.

526
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,880
So just think about how many vehicle miles traveled we

527
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600
are saving by moving this equipment around.

528
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:07,280
But if we can find a partner to pick up the char or the ash,

529
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:08,700
because that's something we would have to haul.

530
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,000
The ash can be used as alternative data

531
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,940
to cover at the landfill.

532
00:35:12,820 --> 00:35:14,220
So we could take it to Bethany?

533
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:14,760
Theoretically.

534
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,300
So, something we are also working on, and I don't want to get anybody's hopes up, but

535
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,400
it's going to be a little bit of a lift, is we are working with the Forest Service to

536
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,020
build a sustainable program at the airport head.

537
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:42,340
And the concept would be that we take the fees collected from the reclamation site and

538
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:45,040
and then pour that into a fuels management program

539
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,100
and use the bottom of the pit to store logs,

540
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,340
slash and so forth, get it off the forest

541
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,260
and then use the funds to burn it or chip it

542
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:56,660
or whatever the case may be

543
00:35:56,660 --> 00:35:58,320
and just basically get it off the forest.

544
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,300
Because the amount of fuels that are coming out of the forest

545
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,640
and out of our neighborhoods is just unsustainable

546
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,180
at this time.

547
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,060
It's just, I don't know if anybody's been

548
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:07,020
up to the lake space and yet,

549
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,300
but there are piles the size of a single family home

550
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:11,560
up there that they're intending to burn.

551
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,220
And that's my question. If we're limited to 5,000 times for this, I don't know.

552
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:19,320
But the four servers might be burning. I don't know.

553
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,180
There's a crackled loop.

554
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,940
You go apples to apples. It's not even a comparison.

555
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,780
Right. I know. That's why I brought that up.

556
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:34,440
That meeting that you guys had about the, what was it on the, I don't know, anyway.

557
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:47,140
Why is nobody talking about reducing GHGs, but nobody is talking about all the burning we're doing, which is crazy to me.

558
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:52,300
It's like a blinder about all of that.

559
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,740
I'm not that it's not necessary, but how it escapes.

560
00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:07,620
We're also looking for a new home for the one on Rite Aid and I was like, we'll put it

561
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,740
inside the storage unit and we can fix this.

562
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:17,120
That's just put it by a, that's not an official one.

563
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,360
Oh, very much so.

564
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,300
So that's there.

565
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,360
That monitor the town funds that we fund it in.

566
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:23,100
Oh, okay.

567
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:23,760
That's fine.

568
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,620
That's fine.

569
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:25,600
The local ones that they monitor.

570
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:26,640
Yeah, we should put that.

571
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,240
Yeah.

572
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:34,560
But you said risk and that is a concern and not being alarmist, but these giant piles

573
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,620
are they're an attractive nuisance in my opinion for a firebuck.

574
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:42,820
We just walked right over here in the parcel between the hospital schools.

575
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:46,080
The goal is we work through a sequel exemption so we can work it quicker.

576
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,640
and basically where we're hitting our head is, okay, what are we going to do with all this wood?

577
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,700
And so I was like, oh, we're going to haircut in the meeting next time. But it's like, yeah,

578
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:59,980
we need to figure out that piece of how to get it there because it's my use of a lot of biomass

579
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:07,300
facilities. And I mentioned this airport pick because it's a model. There's a need for

580
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:12,580
export of soils throughout the region. And there's a need for a centralized decking,

581
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:18,620
chipping, burning locations for fuels reduction throughout the community. So we'll keep you posted.

582
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,900
Our fingers are crossed that we can work with our partner to put together some permitting.

583
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,060
But that's one of the things we're looking at using that burner for would be

584
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,740
hauling over there and just roll to town and all the slash we've collected through a season.

585
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:37,900
Or if we do a chipping out of that space through some of the removal discussions.

586
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,760
We're working with Paul on the 27 million cubic yards of material.

587
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,760
We need some chip plants.

588
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:46,940
Do you want to bring it?

589
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,520
We've got the logs. We just need the chipper.

590
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,380
We have a chipper.

591
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:55,960
We have a chipper.

592
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,680
We just bought that.

593
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,040
We need the million dollar chipper.

594
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,700
The old tree chipper.

595
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,720
The big one that does 30 inch rounds.

596
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,460
Those are million dollars.

597
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:12,560
There's a million dollars. The one we had come out as CEO brought out to Sherwin

598
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,580
that was a million dollars piece of equipment and it's still struggled with

599
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:24,460
some of the larger logs. They need like a skiddy with an auger that breaks

600
00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:28,280
an art and then they put it in smaller pieces but yeah it is not cheap.

601
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:37,980
pellets can GC make? Not many. And then there's the idea of the whole thing

602
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:44,040
through S-Cog, you know, now doing another kind of survey, you know, to see what's

603
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:51,020
going on. Project to see what all the bio, you know, models could possibly be

604
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:53,960
in this region. Now all the different ways to try to take care of this

605
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,000
biomass. Let's, you know, get that coordinated and everybody's trying to

606
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,920
think of little solutions, but looking for the big ones. So if we get this grant, we'll

607
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,840
be able to hopefully do a little better job of that. But you have a lot of thinking like

608
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,880
we'll, GC is trying to do something or, you know, I mean, you're looking at H2Ga or H2Ga.

609
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:16,540
H2Ga.

610
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:17,180
H2Ga.

611
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:17,500
H2Ga.

612
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:17,640
H2Ga.

613
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:17,800
H2Ga.

614
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:27,480
H2Ga.

615
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,020
All right. And where do we know? I mean, they're going to Carson.

616
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,320
They're all going to Carson. We need one of those.

617
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:37,100
What are they doing? What are they doing in Carson?

618
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:44,960
The contractor working out at Shady doing the fuel reduction is all into Carson.

619
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Because they have a mill? Yeah. No, because they have a mill.

620
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:53,120
Yeah, so it worked out. It's only slightly more expensive than their operations down here.

621
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:55,540
But if we had something set up, I would bring down the cost.

622
00:40:55,540 --> 00:41:00,100
But that mill, I'm sure everyone knows what it smelled like, was put on tribal land, was

623
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:00,620
built quick.

624
00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:05,300
They could do that in other places because that would be wonderful if they could take

625
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:11,820
logs down the hill, bring empty trucks back up the hill, so somebody could make that suggestion

626
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:12,680
down in the hill.

627
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:13,480
We've been trying to.

628
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:14,240
Yeah.

629
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,380
That's how it gets to.

630
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,140
Well, just in people in general are saying this is what we really need.

631
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,340
The hauling is trying to make some connections right now with the tribe on some things.

632
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:24,960
I can certainly add that to your list of discussion points.

633
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,120
You know, they put in that big gravel pit down there and all the other stuff they done there.

634
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:28,700
Oh, yeah.

635
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,280
They can do that.

636
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,980
So back to the air curtain really quick, do we know of anyone who has the mobile one

637
00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:36,800
in action in the area?

638
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,460
I thought that I had heard maybe Alpine has one and they're not using it.

639
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:43,520
I've heard that too.

640
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,480
As the permitting is different than like when you guys do your pile burning with

641
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,860
the grade basin, it should be the same, so like why?

642
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,260
It should be a significant one less.

643
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:53,760
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,320
Yeah, and the alternative of I do nothing force burns. Okay. Now, do you know that's the director?

645
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,060
I actually it's fine.

646
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,660
Different things like

647
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,120
One

648
00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:17,420
Yeah

649
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:33,920
I want to see one working and understand, I want Allish to see it working, I want whoever

650
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:40,340
wants to see it functioning, I'd like to understand if it really could be an opportunity field

651
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:40,880
for us.

652
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Yeah, we were going to do, we have an adjourned meeting next weekend, we were going to go

653
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,540
to Pummas Valley between our two meetings and see it in action and then we got,

654
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:53,740
I

655
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,360
Yeah, we're gonna do it. I want to do

656
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,320
That's March or maybe just four months. So it sounds like we're losing this whole summer

657
00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:10,060
The one that promise can run your round on that. I mean that I don't think there's any restrictions

658
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:14,900
Yeah, we is gonna be well, we don't have the might of I

659
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,160
There's one

660
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:18,980
Purchase through a grand. That's the one that's

661
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:19,860
There's no money.

662
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:21,820
I thought there was a mobile one as well.

663
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,540
There's a mobile one.

664
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:26,380
That's the S card one that they haven't got their grant funds for yet.

665
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:29,920
Like it was awarded, but it hasn't been funded.

666
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:30,700
Do you know?

667
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,060
Yeah.

668
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:33,080
So we, you guys want to hug a lot.

669
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,440
We can start working through a program and start talking about permitting.

670
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:41,400
I think we should do that because we, if the reason I'm trying to get to is this

671
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,060
a viable thing is I need to know whether to ask council to do it.

672
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,100
I think we might have something like that.

673
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,780
For in perpetuity a need for that that function if it works, right?

674
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:58,440
I just I need to see if the works are not has experts say yep, that looks good for us or not

675
00:43:59,740 --> 00:44:01,200
So it was your question

676
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,340
How small do you have to chip down to go ahead?

677
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,040
You can do with a loader. Yeah, you're just rolling full-size stuff in

678
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:15,160
It's burning not shredding. Should we move on to housing say parking?

679
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:23,520
Okay. So I know that this has been an ongoing topic, but we did get an offer.

680
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:24,220
Yeah.

681
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:31,120
Well, we received an offer from you guys to say, like, hey, you want to, you know, lease

682
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,620
this property for the next, I think at the time I was around a year and a couple months

683
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:40,880
or maybe a year and six months, and that would be the old substation, right?

684
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,100
And that was, we have eyes on doing that.

685
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:46,720
And I think the crew, we're very excited about an opportunity

686
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,400
to have that property for an extended period of time

687
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,920
to be able to really employ the full plan we have

688
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,780
for that particular type of facility.

689
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,760
Because what we've been doing right now is really

690
00:44:59,760 --> 00:44:59,820
I'll see you next time.

691
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Laws of the council's desire to say have something for the winner, because we had the big slums coming in the end of December, really wreaked havoc on that group.

692
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:19,020
So we responded to provide for that in a short term, and that's coming to an end in another week or two, 21st, yeah, because of a 90 day requirement for that emergency determination.

693
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:27,660
We've been working on a couple of other sites in town that are still being in discussion, but they're not gaining a lot of traction.

694
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:34,860
However, what we did is provided a letter back to Board of Supervisors to request that

695
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:40,320
timeframe getting extended, and then maybe a possibility to acquire the property after

696
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,680
that.

697
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:45,540
But the reason for the extension was really essentially so that we could make infrastructure

698
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:49,180
improvements that would be necessary, and there would be enough, you know, a little

699
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:53,420
bit of life in, you know, recouping the cost of doing that, meaning having it run

700
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:54,680
for five years, if you will.

701
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,560
So that was the basis for that request, and I think it's in your hands now at this point.

702
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:09,020
We have it on our closed session for Tuesday to discuss, and your proposal is going to be

703
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,100
discussed.

704
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:17,580
I think it didn't talk about operations if they would be, if you're intending to operate

705
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:18,120
year-round.

706
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,160
That was one of my questions.

707
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,620
It may come up with the board on Tuesday, I don't know, it just said, because you're

708
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:27,320
running them right now just in response to winter.

709
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:36,300
Whatever we can get off of dispersed around the region, I mean, we struggle with scenic

710
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:36,540
loop.

711
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:38,340
Yes.

712
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:42,500
You know, we're working in that space to try to reduce even the availability within

713
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:47,180
the circle of scenic loop based on some poor service stuff because of the risk to

714
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:53,600
town, right? No one shared with me today that we have a particular person we work

715
00:46:53,600 --> 00:47:00,880
correctly with on a lot of our mobile workforce housing who basically said

716
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,780
she came into town and noticed there was just fires all over the place and

717
00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:08,900
they're not really paying attention to the fire signs so we would we would

718
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:15,820
seek to run it year-round I think that was the goal so that we even in the

719
00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:22,440
summertime don't have reduce the risk if possible. Okay. Make the goal of the year

720
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,280
round. There's some of the feedback we've heard from those who participated in

721
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,960
our kind of pilot project there. You know, I think we'll definitely get, at least

722
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,280
my hope, is significant. Many of those who will say, you know, it's more

723
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,160
convenient to stay in that site versus having to find a site every night or

724
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,860
risk-giving hassle of this or that, or some of them, you know, are just inherently kind

725
00:47:48,860 --> 00:47:54,420
of like introverted people and they like kind of dispersing out into the woods being less

726
00:47:54,420 --> 00:48:00,140
visible. So I think they'll always be that component of it who just, you know, you can

727
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:05,880
provide all the amenities in the world there where they're still going to like their deep

728
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,380
in the woods somewhere.

729
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,180
Yeah, I'll just add to that standpoint because I'm very passionate about this because

730
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:15,760
I think we have a need and we haven't killed it as a community, but I look at it as very

731
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,940
similar to like when we had dogs around town and when we created a dog park, we say this

732
00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:24,280
is your area to have dogs on a leash, when we can finally find a solution that has a

733
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,320
location and we can take the people that are even in town camping right now and we

734
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,340
can kind of say you've got to move and try to be semi-gental, we can say this

735
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:32,940
is the designated space.

736
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:37,700
So to have a space like that in the future would be tremendously beneficial if we can

737
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:37,980
do that.

738
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:45,860
And I think our plan with regard to the humidity there itself is far and above valuable to that

739
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:50,360
particular subset than the dispersed activities at all, right?

740
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:54,600
I mean, there's going to be, especially if we have that longer term, we're able to do

741
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:00,480
some improvements on the building itself and supporting restrooms and maybe even shower

742
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,140
for some water systems and all that systems.

743
00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:10,120
Those are the high-cost items that Hayes just mentioned that we were really needing to have

744
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,460
a longer run to do that.

745
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,040
But within that five years, you're not talking about touching that building.

746
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,860
That was my understanding that you were.

747
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:20,620
No, I think that there's some desire to move on that stuff as well.

748
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:23,620
He mentioned water systems and sewer systems.

749
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:28,720
Those are the ones that are inadequate for any activity outside of like his own person

750
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:29,520
living in that building.

751
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:46,940
Yeah, I think some metal will just, you know, until we get in there and really test it, I mean, we visited it with Paul and, you know, you guys being the engineers are like, oh, it's easy to remove arsenic from water, you just put a filter, but until we really start playing with it, and like, we don't know the flows of it, we don't know what's actually in it.

752
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,360
No, there's a well. The well house is literally habitat for everything right now.

753
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,660
So that needs to be scraped and then some kind of reverse hospital system needs to be put in to make the water potable.

754
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:01,040
It can be done.

755
00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:02,240
Is there a septic down there?

756
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,280
There is a septic.

757
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:07,360
We don't know the capacities. We'll have to do some investigation on that.

758
00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:13,620
It did support the substation previously, so we think that would be some decent capacity.

759
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,100
There's a leech filter on the west side of the road, kind of by the probing tank area.

760
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:23,940
And the building we know as a fact is literally built out of asbestos.

761
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,080
So we go in there.

762
00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:25,720
Asbestos and mouse poop.

763
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:26,620
A combination.

764
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:28,120
Pretty solid.

765
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,340
It's in the plant set.

766
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,460
Asbestos pipe, asbestos pile, asbestos flooring.

767
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:42,600
So we know it's going to take some significant work to make that, you know, a useful warming

768
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,760
center or a community kitchen, whatever it may be.

769
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:47,440
It's a significant investment.

770
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:56,920
I wonder, I mean, there's probably grant funding for that kind of thing, but cross average when

771
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,460
you get there.

772
00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:04,620
One of the things that Sandra and I talked about is I think Amanda's program, that bridge

773
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:09,740
program that the behavioral health has, they have a grant with some money and a tight

774
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:16,600
deadline is willing to or are able to fund some mobile showers and toilets

775
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:23,020
perhaps. We have like a 12 months to spend. I think there's like a million there

776
00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:27,440
but or something. Yeah. I just need to get some approvals in place yeah.

777
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:38,660
Yeah well we're

778
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,680
No, it's just, there's not a lot of detail, so I think like these questions will come

779
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,940
up with our colleagues.

780
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,420
Should we, it's a closed session, but is there an opportunity or need for, is there going

781
00:51:53,420 --> 00:52:01,220
to be anything in open session where maybe the town should tend and discuss, we'd

782
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:07,340
love to be responsive to whatever you guys need to, so it's on closed session.

783
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:13,360
which would mean that we could take comment on closed session before closed

784
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,280
session. Right, just what's on the agenda. Sure. So you could, that would be no

785
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,540
testimony. Right, would that be helpful in some way?

786
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:27,800
Wouldn't it? Or do you think you have enough in this space time?

787
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,420
I think we should get a temperature. I can't remember the last time we talked

788
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:40,140
about it. I feel like we'll let us meet on Tuesday and Sandra I'll get back to you

789
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:48,500
if there's outstanding questions and I would imagine if we're going to move we

790
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:50,700
could do something by the end of June.

791
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:56,640
Second. I want to hear your comment about why we provided a much more detailed plan before and then

792
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,560
we had a ridiculous response from ComDev so our direction this time was to provide a very

793
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:12,140
very simple request, ridiculous but okay yeah I'm just saying it really does have

794
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:18,260
light detail yeah but you're gonna do you'll be responsible for all sequel right

795
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:22,960
likely I mean if we go through with which direction we go yeah whether we

796
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,620
determine it's exempt or falls into a different thing that is part of being

797
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:33,160
why it was that we're taking on the responsibility, you guys are simply providing a lease.

798
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:34,100
Yeah.

799
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:34,420
Right.

800
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,480
I'm just saying that that is that welcome office that we wouldn't want to be liable for

801
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:39,780
SQL.

802
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:40,700
Yeah.

803
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,680
I would all get hammered on in the agreement said it's being basically shifted to the

804
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:45,760
top.

805
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,260
So these details do need to, they will come about even.

806
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,900
I know we've talked about just the outright purchase of that at a low price because

807
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:56,920
is beneficial for both.

808
00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:59,420
Is there pushback from the supervisors

809
00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:00,860
about selling that to the town?

810
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:05,000
We just have to work with surplus lands act,

811
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:07,520
which make sure we're within the Royal Work

812
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,740
surplus lands act for sure.

813
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,840
And then I don't know what the interest is.

814
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,720
So I'm not sure that that's been discussed.

815
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,900
I mean, for me, it's sort of confusing

816
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,600
because doing this transition is good for the county,

817
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,400
not just for mammoth,

818
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:23,720
but somehow the perception that it's a mammoth thing

819
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:30,400
seems to be tripping up our colleagues in terms of getting this done. I have a

820
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,080
huge frustration on those sorts of things. I don't think that's it at all. I think it's just,

821
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:38,140
you know, we're going to do one thing and then that sort of can work out and

822
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:42,960
that's what's the next thing we could do. Yeah, we have a little different

823
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,100
rulebook between the two of us I think based on being a county in the town,

824
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,540
right? I mean the town is a little more autonomy. I think certainly the county

825
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:56,420
is very much in line with the wish to use that for that purpose, you know, I don't think

826
00:54:56,420 --> 00:54:57,840
there's any mention of that.

827
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,140
Yeah, we're moving, I'd say we're moving along that track pretty well, I think we

828
00:55:02,140 --> 00:55:03,080
just need to get to that point.

829
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:05,920
So you guys have your meeting Tuesday, you let us know what you need from us.

830
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,580
We will be responsive because we're interested in doing that.

831
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:11,060
Great.

832
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,260
As Brent mentioned, there's a tremendous interest on Council on doing something

833
00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:16,800
in this space.

834
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:19,700
And so that's good.

835
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:26,320
I think we'll get back to you with any further questions that come out that we don't have the answers for and we'll get there.

836
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,760
Should we move into the wildfire or is there anything else on housing and safe parking?

837
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,960
Ready for wildfire and emergency management.

838
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:35,860
All right, let's go.

839
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:39,120
Yeah, what's going on.

840
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,000
This is, well, so a lot's going on in the wildfire efforts.

841
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:52,040
I mean, the town obviously is, you know, we started our wildfire line wildfire task force last year.

842
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:52,540
Awesome.

843
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:59,820
He's not here with us right now, but led that up and Alish and team have been on that team on that.

844
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:08,020
And I think they've been really doing a tremendous job within the town as evidence and just all the stuff that we got accomplished last year.

845
00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:13,100
and we're looking at this as a multi-year approach, so modifications to what we learned

846
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:18,760
last year of being employed this year, some connectivity with our town cleanup days, and

847
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,840
then we've got a whole series of dumpsters in your neighborhood, bring waste dumpsters

848
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,880
in your day-to-day process.

849
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,440
So I think that is working well for us.

850
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:33,160
There's obviously the wildfire alliance that's regional that I think we're all

851
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,760
sort of aware of and involved in.

852
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:47,260
You guys though, however, embarked on an emergency management services system, which I would like to kind of understand a little bit more than that. We did go through an interview process. I think most of us did that.

853
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:59,240
But maybe before we dive into that the town after the pack fire, we did a series of debriefs and really sort of kind of came up with our own internal plan.

854
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:05,040
and I did have a desire to potentially add emergency management services within the town

855
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,640
as a department as we're working through the budget stuff. Probably not a reality this year

856
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:17,060
because there's some impacts to our operating budget and so I need to be a little bit more

857
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:23,300
constrained in our growth. So that was something that was there and Alex and I were working

858
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:28,360
closing on that. I think, you know, you mentioned a light version of that can be employed in town,

859
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:35,240
perhaps. We're still working through work plans, again, that are really more town-specific to

860
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:43,700
emergency response and evacuation efforts. But we really are very, very interested in,

861
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:49,680
as you all know, the county's program and how the town can connect better with that

862
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:56,680
that in the future than we were able to in the last couple of years, because I think

863
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:06,100
that we as a town have a lot of needs. Unfortunately, we have more needs than the county when you

864
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:11,240
think about how everything is so dispersed, and it's sort of like pockets of need. We're

865
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,600
very concentrated need with a whole lot of, I think, expectations, I think is for

866
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,180
lack of a better term. So that's where we started to talk about what we could, you know,

867
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:25,280
we established the Hazardive Ridge job of laying out all the things that we needed to

868
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,400
know that are there. I think we've been engaged with both. There's two facets of this program,

869
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:37,160
right? There's a design and then there's the plan. So we're engaged with both of

870
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,420
them. But those are just a little bit of my introduction. I think you guys have

871
00:58:42,420 --> 00:58:44,680
any updates on how that is progressing?

872
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,760
I do. I actually had a meeting with our consultant today right for this meeting that is doing

873
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:58,160
the assessment. And so they've reached out to all of you on the assessment. Also, most

874
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,080
of you should have got an email today to review our emergency operations plan draft.

875
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,520
That went out this afternoon about 45 minutes ago. And then it will be coming before

876
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,560
for the board, but we would really encourage you guys

877
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,820
to provide very constructive feedback.

878
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,500
It's different than most emergency plans

879
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:20,500
that I've seen in my career, but it's more user-friendly.

880
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,240
It's a lot more kind of chart-like.

881
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,760
So in this instance, this is what happens.

882
00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:26,720
This is who's involved.

883
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:31,120
But we want extensive comments on it.

884
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,040
We would like to have it completed by June.

885
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:37,460
The draft assessment should be done by the end of May

886
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:40,220
and becoming before the board and draft form,

887
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:41,780
I think the first meeting in June.

888
00:59:43,820 --> 00:59:46,520
So it's, both things are going on at the same time,

889
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:50,320
but one of the conversations that we had today

890
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,020
was working together with the town

891
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,380
as far as emergency management

892
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:57,760
and what that looks like and how we can partner better

893
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,340
to make sure that there's

894
01:00:01,060 --> 01:00:18,280
Yeah. I think that's great. I mean, we, we, obviously our sister city is truckie up north and, you know, we share the same attorney and we had a chance to sit down with their office of emergency services, which is a town office that connects to the county's office of emergency service.

895
01:00:18,420 --> 01:00:29,680
And they're kind of interesting. In any case, they're located in close proximity to separate counties. So they had a multiple, multiple, but it just, it seems so functional and seamless.

896
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,120
It was impressive.

897
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,760
So that's why we thought, gosh, if I could afford to do that in the town, I would stand

898
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,560
up that person.

899
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:42,900
And they're really more liaison-ing directly with the true county because all of the authority

900
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:43,660
lives in the county.

901
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:51,020
This is just a concentration of effort and really making sure that all the trainings,

902
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:56,100
all the evacuation practices, all that stuff is happening for our community as quickly

903
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:56,760
as possible.

904
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:09,820
So I think we're all in for whatever you need, because it's just a matter of time, and I think this summer, Alastair, I think there's going to be a rough one, potentially, but we'll see.

905
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:14,800
Well, Dawn Ashton is the retired CAO from El Dorado.

906
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:23,960
So they are kind of modeling after Truckee, El Dorado Valley, and Nevada County.

907
01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:29,960
But so they're really leaning towards that.

908
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:32,780
And we should have a draft soon.

909
01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:37,580
He's meeting with Sandra I think next week, so we should be ready to go.

910
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:42,500
I think it's time. I mean we've got along without it at the town for a long time, having our own

911
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:46,640
Pacific because I was coming into the Sheriff's office for so many years and that was sort

912
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,360
of the liaison, formally back and forth. Then we're fine. And then a lot of major players

913
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,260
left and I don't know what happened. So here we are. So, you know, I think it's time.

914
01:01:57,460 --> 01:02:04,040
I think it might be a good investment and then you've got two. I like to do it.

915
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:08,620
You were talking to me about something potentially.

916
01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:14,980
Yeah, I think I'm kind of lost in a way to see where the county goes on this.

917
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:17,780
And, you know, we say office of emergency management.

918
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,920
But the question is, is that a person? Is that an actual team?

919
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:23,880
And what is kind of, what does that framework look like?

920
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,180
And then how do we tie into that?

921
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,660
So I think a lot of there's various paths that we can go down,

922
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:39,260
but it really depends on kind of what that foundational piece looks like and it's these

923
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:46,400
things that unfortunately take some resource and the flipside is if you don't have them

924
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:53,380
then it's pretty rough. So I think that there are different ways to structure this. I spoke

925
01:02:53,380 --> 01:03:00,660
with fire chief from Saltao that was tied to that loop and he certainly understood

926
01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:04,680
our parameters here so I think we'll hopefully come back with some reasonable

927
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:13,120
but it's working against the clock. So one positive thing that I will

928
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:19,820
daylight town is working on at the airport is we so Cal Fire has an

929
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:22,820
initiative and now she can help me with details on this but an initiative I

930
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:27,380
I think to build capacity in our region along 395

931
01:03:27,380 --> 01:03:29,200
and up at the top of the grade.

932
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:30,820
So that was their golden one of the facilities

933
01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:31,500
out of the grade.

934
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:34,640
Well, we thankfully have a really strong leadership

935
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,820
in the sublime spring.

936
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:38,620
We said, we will literally move out of our building

937
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:42,240
and facilitate their conversion of that building

938
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,920
to a fire station.

939
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:46,920
And so that's in the process right now.

940
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:51,040
They moved out this week into their terminal.

941
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,820
And we are, you know, for a couple of months anyway,

942
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,420
and then we're seeking a temporary location

943
01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:59,580
for our team to live for the next two years

944
01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:02,940
while we hopefully get this multi-use facility

945
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:03,840
built at the airport.

946
01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:08,020
But in that period of time, while Cal Fire is here,

947
01:04:08,140 --> 01:04:12,300
so there'll be an engine company 24-7 at the airport.

948
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,260
And they're really not for the airport,

949
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,540
they can assist the airport,

950
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:19,320
but they're landside for the region.

951
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:25,520
so they'll be taking care of that. But the critical thing is a footprint of Cal Fire in our area,

952
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,120
which is now attractive. We'll have aircraft for five months out of the year on the ground

953
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:38,240
contracted as Siege 47 should not believe. Yeah just to kind of throw in that conversation a little bit.

954
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,380
So there used to be an exchange of a courage between the federal partners and state partners

955
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:47,960
and there's quite a bit of land in Mono County that the state has responsibility for

956
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:55,520
and they basically had an agreement that the feds would cover that portion that fell apart about two years ago, officially last year.

957
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,600
So now the feds don't have responsibility for us. They're just going back to the state.

958
01:05:00,420 --> 01:05:04,220
It's hard to see what actually happens with budgets and changes in government and that sort of thing.

959
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:10,560
But currently the intent of Cal Fires to have safe apparatus across kind of this area going up to Topaz,

960
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:13,280
counting the three that they have currently in New County.

961
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:20,080
So theoretically the one that the airport is happening relatively soon, the next one that they

962
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:26,880
would attempt for would be in the reviving monocity area, which they've got some possibilities for

963
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,560
a station there as well as they've got responsibilities with VLF land getting flipped over.

964
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:37,680
So it will add a benefit of a resource. The one area that it does scare me is

965
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,800
They dispatch out of San Bernardino, we already have significant communication issues,

966
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:50,880
and this is just going to compound that issue, which again goes back to good planning, emergency

967
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,840
management, and a team that can help kind of stand up all the partners to make sure

968
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,020
they're all on the same communication systems.

969
01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:59,500
And the state uses Chris?

970
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,260
Yes and no.

971
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,880
The key though about, I'm going back to the aircraft.

972
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:14,840
That's been a dream of ours really for a very, very long time because that is what makes a big difference in a very short amount of time.

973
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:23,360
So having that resource stationed at the airport, it augments the airport as a safety mechanism for the entire region.

974
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,880
So I'm pretty happy about that. It's a big no-animal.

975
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:28,800
I'll be daylighting that a little bit further.

976
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,010
Anything else on that?

977
01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:36,130
I don't think so.

978
01:06:36,370 --> 01:06:36,810
Okay.

979
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:37,990
Childcare?

980
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:39,770
Don't have a lot on childcare.

981
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:48,670
So obviously the town, we are, I talked to my crew today about getting with the consultant

982
01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:54,830
and we need to understand, really, what we need to get to is whether the utilization

983
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:58,830
going to be or the demand going to be for whatever price points we think we can get

984
01:06:58,830 --> 01:07:03,350
and we've got a consultant that can help us do that.

985
01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:08,270
It's a little pricey and so I've been trying to get them to sharpen their pencil and maybe reduce scope

986
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:13,230
So that we can get it into some funding that we've allocated this town to get accomplished

987
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:19,970
Because we really need to understand the need based upon the price point and whether or not we

988
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:27,270
Put more money in this facility to build and will it have enough, you know people utilizing it

989
01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:32,990
I'm sorry I haven't been able to come to the last couple of meetings, but we don't know

990
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:34,310
what the utilization is going to be.

991
01:07:34,570 --> 01:07:39,050
There's a lot of questions right now, especially in the town and county for that matter, too.

992
01:07:39,450 --> 01:07:41,870
Who would actually utilize a center like this?

993
01:07:42,490 --> 01:07:43,670
So what are we building to?

994
01:07:44,350 --> 01:07:50,750
And if the move toward childcare is going to become more home-based services as opposed

995
01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:56,730
to facilities, KinderCare has closed multiple dozens and dozens of facilities because

996
01:07:56,730 --> 01:07:58,250
because they lost the price point.

997
01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:01,090
We can't charge what they needed to charge

998
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,090
to pay the people in the facility and the insurance

999
01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:06,510
and the whole everything that you need to do in childcare

1000
01:08:07,050 --> 01:08:09,170
with only really three years of utilization,

1001
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:12,250
especially in those states that went to a TK model

1002
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:14,710
because that last year is the only year

1003
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:15,610
that you make money on.

1004
01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:19,530
So yeah, I mean, it's just the whole price,

1005
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:21,850
pricing scheme has fallen apart.

1006
01:08:22,030 --> 01:08:23,190
And I don't know, like you said,

1007
01:08:23,270 --> 01:08:25,150
I'm glad we had a chance to wait

1008
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:28,790
we need to talk about before we just invest a lot more money in that.

1009
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:34,790
The town is looking at it probably under $1.75 to $2 million of tenant improvements in the

1010
01:08:34,790 --> 01:08:40,450
inside of those buildings that we are currently paused on, we set aside funding for that, but

1011
01:08:41,730 --> 01:08:46,830
we're pausing because we'll be into that building for $4 million once this is all

1012
01:08:46,830 --> 01:08:52,150
said and done, and yeah, it's a big investment.

1013
01:08:52,150 --> 01:09:03,260
Well, Molly, Dave, I just came to our board on Tuesday, and we talked a little bit about

1014
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:12,480
attacks, like are some kind of revenue generation that they're looking at, and we talked about

1015
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:18,880
subsidies for providers because it's just there's a pay gap, you know, it just doesn't

1016
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:19,540
pay enough.

1017
01:09:19,540 --> 01:09:25,320
I mean, I just imagine if you took that 4 million and just incentivized people to do

1018
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,520
in-home daycares that might go just as far to meet the needs, perhaps.

1019
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:35,140
I mean, just thinking outside the box and trying to think creatively, maybe that's

1020
01:09:35,140 --> 01:09:42,440
a better use of, you know, I don't know, just a wild thought came to me, but, you

1021
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:47,620
know, if everybody's, if it's tending to go towards in-home daycare, well, I

1022
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:53,200
it would be for all child care, all child things, the home business programs, the whole menu

1023
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:59,940
right here being part of it. And yeah, I mean, I were not the only people struggling with

1024
01:09:59,940 --> 01:10:03,680
this kind of cost. I don't know how you would set up something like that and if it's worth

1025
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,020
it. You know, we know our birth rates aren't going up. So it's not like the in-home

1026
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:14,680
is a growing exponentially. That is probably static and is that where some of my better

1027
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,900
investment is in helping people with the ability to care for kids safely not just as baby sitters

1028
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:28,180
if you will but they're actually you know good child care services and include you know preschool

1029
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:35,500
staff and school readiness and all the things we know. Yeah so I think you're smart. Yeah and

1030
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:39,920
it sounds you know our desire has been where can we make a difference because really we'll get

1031
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,160
you a facility, we'll give all that statement. That'll be a contribution. That was that.

1032
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:48,880
So we'll be interested in the conversations, but we were really ever going to kind of be

1033
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:56,900
in the middle of whatever the solution was as far as programmatic, if you will. So more

1034
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:57,680
to go on that, I think.

1035
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:05,860
I just want to bring this up, just because it came up when I spoke with the woman from

1036
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:11,020
the governor's office yesterday about Cal kids. And I don't know if anybody in this

1037
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:15,140
room is familiar with Cal kids. I learned about a couple years ago. And she was really

1038
01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:18,380
surprised that I knew what it was because most people she talks to don't know what

1039
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:27,020
it is. But the governor before Trump started, the savings accounts for kids, Newsom has

1040
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:32,440
like $2 billion or something. And it's through the treasurer's office. It's called Cal

1041
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:39,860
kids and I know that the schools did a big push on it, but our utilization rate in Mono County

1042
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:48,660
of all eligible kids is 8%. There's so much money sitting there and newborn kids, all newborn kids

1043
01:11:49,680 --> 01:12:00,380
get $175 regardless of income. And then there's money for kids that are eligible, basically

1044
01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:07,300
like if you get free or reduced lunch, you get, and you meet certain, you can get up to $1,500.

1045
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:14,280
And but we're just not getting good utilization, but you have to go through the schools to get

1046
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,940
a special number and your student, it's like, it's called a statewide student ID number,

1047
01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:24,060
and then they can sign up and get it. And she just asked me to keep pushing it because

1048
01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:29,340
it's sad and not counting only 8% of our eligible gifts. The families have signed up for it.

1049
01:12:29,340 --> 01:12:35,680
So, just along the world, there are children, yeah, they have, but I think they obviously

1050
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,080
need to do another one.

1051
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:40,720
And I don't know, I feel like the barrier is the statewide student ID.

1052
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,860
I don't know if people know how to get it.

1053
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:47,320
And I don't know that the school is very, if you called the admin with a telly, I just

1054
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:47,620
don't know.

1055
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:52,560
I kind of want to test it and be like, I'm a parent, how can I get my students SSID

1056
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:56,280
and see how it goes, you know, does the person who answered the phone know where

1057
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:57,200
to sort of direct me.

1058
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:05,160
We have monthly meetings with the school district to talk about, you know, different

1059
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:10,460
things that are of importance, and so there's some things that you want us to talk about.

1060
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:11,000
Okay.

1061
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:11,640
Yeah, I do.

1062
01:13:11,860 --> 01:13:12,560
I'll send it to you.

1063
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,340
She just emailed me a follow-up list.

1064
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,740
I'll invite you to join me.

1065
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:18,860
I do.

1066
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:20,000
We're going tomorrow.

1067
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:21,720
Can I cancel it?

1068
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,060
Do we have something else tomorrow?

1069
01:13:23,220 --> 01:13:23,560
Call me then.

1070
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,120
Don't have one tomorrow.

1071
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:26,640
Okay.

1072
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:37,560
It helps kids. But anyway, we'll go to recreation management. It's Marcella. Okay. Okay.

1073
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:44,660
Do you want to check off the county Marcella? Yeah, sure. Hi everybody.

1074
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,740
So I had a few quick items.

1075
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,960
Topic of the minute, the golden mussels.

1076
01:13:53,780 --> 01:13:58,500
Mono Cananeo, you got this update from me earlier this week, but for the group,

1077
01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:02,780
Fishmas weekend was successful. We survived.

1078
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:13,880
We were able to successfully operate two watercraft inspection and decontamination stations, one in Bridgeport and one in Bishop.

1079
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:23,280
up. We had mostly positive feedback, which was good because not all of it has been positive,

1080
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,720
but most of it has. And then on our opening weekend, we actually had two boats come in

1081
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,780
with mussels. And I think that helped a lot with like the positive reception is just proving

1082
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:40,240
that this program is worth the investment that Town and County are putting into it.

1083
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:48,040
Some numbers is that between the Bishop and the Bridgeport Station, we inspected 335 votes.

1084
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,720
That was Thursday, the 23rd through Sunday, the 26th.

1085
01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:59,980
And a thank you to CDFW, LADWP Bridgeport.

1086
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,820
Fish Enhancement Foundation, Caltrout, and just anybody in the collective who helped out

1087
01:15:04,820 --> 01:15:12,960
to make that happen. Also, U.S. Forest Service, International Forest, got funding approved

1088
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:22,180
for $285,000 to go towards golden mussels effort for staffing and decontamination stations.

1089
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:28,780
So that's going to be really big for the ongoing sustainability of this program.

1090
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:36,780
Let's see. How'd other staff? Oh, very small update for this. Some of the people in the

1091
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:45,160
room were here on Monday. California Department of Fish and Wildlife held their first interagency

1092
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:52,200
bear meeting of the season and I believe it was decided that that group which involves

1093
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:58,560
the county of the town and CDFW and the Forest Service is going to continue meeting I think

1094
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:05,520
once monthly just to continue talking about bear management human wildlife conflict and trying to

1095
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:11,120
address some of the issues that you know could reasonably be solved through some

1096
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:19,180
enter agency discussion. So I was glad to see that happen. And then let's see. We are just

1097
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:26,740
about finishing our hiring for our seasonal recreation stewards. One bit of news is that

1098
01:16:26,740 --> 01:16:33,740
the Forest Service is staffed up this year with trail crews, rec techs, etc. So that's super

1099
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,640
fabulous. So it seems like the region is going to be really well supported this year.

1100
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:53,660
And so from the county perspective, we'll obviously continue to help open up trails and OHP routes, do some facility maintenance and et cetera to help ready the region for visitors.

1101
01:16:54,260 --> 01:17:01,680
But we also have our off highway vehicle trespass and our dispersed camping management grants that were in the last year of.

1102
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:10,780
So we'll be making a really big push to be out in the field doing a lot of restoration and closing these areas of trespass and inappropriate dispersed campsites.

1103
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,500
So I think that's what I got for county recreation.

1104
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:18,460
Thanks for selling. Yeah.

1105
01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:23,160
We have Wilson online.

1106
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,640
I invited him.

1107
01:17:30,940 --> 01:17:35,620
Yes, we don't really have an update. I guess my question for you guys and this often comes

1108
01:17:35,620 --> 01:17:45,460
up and I think the reason on here is a desire to, I think, bring our two separate programs

1109
01:17:45,460 --> 01:17:50,080
a little bit closer together and so they seem as though they function in lockstep.

1110
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:56,820
I guess Marcello will ask if if you feel like there's there's more work to be done or we're

1111
01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:04,180
functioning appropriately as two separate agencies in the same kind of space in complementary to

1112
01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:04,660
each other.

1113
01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:15,970
Yeah, thanks Rob. I do feel like we're operating well separately but I do certainly

1114
01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:24,390
think there is more room for collaboration. The town does host the weekly interagency check-in

1115
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:30,430
meetings, which we attend as often as we're able, and that just helps, you know, helps us keep

1116
01:18:31,670 --> 01:18:35,850
tabs on what the other agencies are doing. And then as you know, there's some overlap

1117
01:18:35,850 --> 01:18:39,930
between like the Adopt-A-Trail and Tangle Free Water programs.

1118
01:18:40,710 --> 01:18:49,810
from a project perspective, especially with like trail maintenance, that has been pretty siloed.

1119
01:18:50,170 --> 01:18:57,610
Town stays in town, county stays in county and in the past when some help has been requested,

1120
01:18:58,210 --> 01:19:04,630
one of the hurdles seems to be that town funding is like really specific that it

1121
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:10,890
has to be spent within town boundaries, which could prevent the town's recreation

1122
01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:17,610
staff from coming to help in the county and bigger projects. I think I've also

1123
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:24,830
seen that we just have kind of different workloads like the town does have a lot

1124
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:28,390
more heavy workload on trail maintenance and also construction of

1125
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:33,370
new trails whereas like our workload tends to be heavier on like OHV

1126
01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:39,370
trust pass and dispersed camping and some of that other stuff. However, I do think, you know, again,

1127
01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:45,450
one area for collaboration would be the areas surrounding the town of Mammoth, like the scenic

1128
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:50,670
loop. I think there could be a lot of really good work days there between us, but happy to reach out

1129
01:19:50,670 --> 01:19:58,590
to Lawson and his team and see where we can expand that collaboration. If that's what you're

1130
01:19:58,590 --> 01:20:02,390
You referenced the funding, so that would be measure R, so town owned or managed.

1131
01:20:03,490 --> 01:20:09,010
We are kind of looking at possibly putting some general fund dollars into a space in which we can

1132
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:15,790
you know touch those interactive elements that are near proximity to town, but not quite there.

1133
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:20,010
And I think that's where we have the greatest opportunity to work closely together because

1134
01:20:20,010 --> 01:20:25,630
it you know that continuity between our systems if we're encapsulated in the town

1135
01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:33,590
And then how it goes into the county. I think that engagement would be really, really beneficial. And so I want to see that happen.

1136
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:38,970
And it seems to me there could be a larger partnership on the OSV program that the town took over.

1137
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:45,370
The creation of an OHV program, which was started by the Forest Service, and then they stopped doing.

1138
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:52,370
Some tax dollars from town can go into things that directly benefit the economy of the town of Man with Lakes.

1139
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:59,030
So I'd love to at least see those conversations taking place and I think they are to a degree

1140
01:20:59,030 --> 01:21:03,430
and I think you're mentioning of OHV and OSV.

1141
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:13,730
The county has a lot of graders I think that you guys do a lot of work on the dirt road

1142
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:21,910
systems which in the winter time become the OSV systems and this is something

1143
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:26,630
that I think Andrew our trails manager has had a desire to how do we work

1144
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:31,610
closely together so that the work the county does in the summer on improving

1145
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:36,150
those roads actually has a strong impact on the winter operations that we're

1146
01:21:36,150 --> 01:21:40,590
managing when we're grooming those trail systems because what I'm seeing

1147
01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:44,570
and Marcella you probably seen that too is the side-to-side systems they

1148
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:48,370
really they really tear up the roads right I mean they really are very

1149
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:50,190
very challenging on the road systems.

1150
01:21:50,990 --> 01:21:55,050
That maintenance program, the OHV maintenance program

1151
01:21:55,780 --> 01:21:57,270
connects well with our over snow.

1152
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:59,050
And while the county has the equipment,

1153
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:01,170
the state has the dollars,

1154
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:04,050
we can apply for those through the Green Sticker

1155
01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:08,070
grant program to pay the county for doing the work

1156
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:10,010
so that new equipment doesn't have to be bought

1157
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:10,590
or anything else.

1158
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:14,550
I just see there's room for a lot of collaboration there

1159
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:16,030
and moving the whole thing forward.

1160
01:22:16,030 --> 01:22:21,450
And before everybody built what a proper relation, we had a public meeting.

1161
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:38,670
Before anybody gets upset about me talking about motorized recreation, if you look, and if you look at some of the surveys that have been done, the amount of non-motorized use that takes place because we maintain those roads and those motorized systems, it's huge.

1162
01:22:38,670 --> 01:22:44,750
huge. So it truly is a benefit for the entire population and our visitor base. And let's

1163
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:48,950
face it, both the town and county survive on our visitor base.

1164
01:22:50,710 --> 01:22:55,410
I'll add to this if I may, Rob. It's Jennifer's meetings.

1165
01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:03,930
When you're talking about the off-highway vehicles, I don't know if this group is

1166
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:09,510
with the back country discovery routes that were put together, that is absolutely blowing up.

1167
01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:17,390
And the proliferation of adventure motorcycles and side by side is taking advantage of the

1168
01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:21,750
route is frankly in my opinion an economic development opportunity. There are people

1169
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:28,830
who are coming here just to adventure ride and there are videos all over YouTube, hours long,

1170
01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:35,990
multiple days of hours long of their entire rides and it just showcases

1171
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:50,690
MotoCountry. It's amazing and so people are watching this it's kind of new so

1172
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:56,590
what they did is these this independent group just started stringing

1173
01:23:56,590 --> 01:24:04,050
together like dirt roads, trails and building experiences and putting out

1174
01:24:04,050 --> 01:24:09,390
these maps. And there's a route that goes from Mexico to Canada and it goes

1175
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:16,370
right through Mono County. What's that? MLT have anything done? No, no, no. This is way too

1176
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:21,430
cool. It showed up in my YouTube feed and said backcountry discovery

1177
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:25,310
route Mono County and I'm like what's that all about? And then I went down

1178
01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:30,770
it's rabbit hole of like who did this? Where does it come from? It's not just us

1179
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:34,950
though it's all over the United States. It's all over but it literally starts at

1180
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:39,190
Menorat Vista. There's one that ends at Menorat Vista and another one that

1181
01:24:39,190 --> 01:24:44,690
starts at Menorat Vista and it just goes all through Mono County and so I

1182
01:24:44,690 --> 01:24:48,270
good for search and rescue missions we had one out there and I inquired a

1183
01:24:48,270 --> 01:24:51,630
motorcycle from it because the guy just walked away from it so I'll sell

1184
01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:57,250
to you for pennies on the dollar because he was tied down in it from a literally experience.

1185
01:24:59,510 --> 01:25:07,470
He walked away from it and said I'm done with this thing. But anyway, I think Hayes is exactly

1186
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:14,530
right. I mean, Mono County is poised to literally take over the off-road world that is currently

1187
01:25:14,530 --> 01:25:18,810
exploding with cyber sides and this stuff. I mean it could be world-class.

1188
01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:25,150
Yeah just look up BDR Northern California or Southern California and there are just

1189
01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:29,530
it's insane. In this area didn't happen by accident there were people mostly out

1190
01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:33,630
of Bishop but from other areas Don Amador is one who worked on all of this

1191
01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:40,350
going back decades to create this so it's the preliminary work has been done

1192
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:47,810
Yeah, it's just the finish and the promotion what we've seen is the opportunities in these communities has always existed

1193
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:52,890
It's still somebody makes it a thing. You know, you can look at, you know

1194
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:56,690
Mountain biking trails and so forth until somebody makes it a thing

1195
01:25:57,250 --> 01:26:02,570
It's just people know about it. And so you're talking about management and

1196
01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:04,930
Taking care of grading the roads and so forth

1197
01:26:04,930 --> 01:26:07,610
I think we're going to have to take a stronger stance and

1198
01:26:07,610 --> 01:26:11,350
maintaining this and keeping an eye on it because I think you're going to see a

1199
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:18,230
lot more usage on our road system and our trail system. And the chance to

1200
01:26:18,230 --> 01:26:21,570
interpret those trails. So right now it's only being done through private

1201
01:26:21,570 --> 01:26:26,730
parties on YouTube and stuff but to put up the appropriate signs, pay for a

1202
01:26:26,730 --> 01:26:33,270
better state, you know, to do this work it just can be a huge thing. You just

1203
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:36,550
being attracted to the rural county, I think, on some of the roads.

1204
01:26:36,670 --> 01:26:39,530
Because it's largely on forest service land.

1205
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:42,350
It's largely on BLM and forest service.

1206
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:47,790
There are some sections that are on county roads or highway.

1207
01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:50,950
I mean, I watched the whole thing, the entire route,

1208
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:52,230
just to see how they did it.

1209
01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:54,650
And I was pretty blown away.

1210
01:26:55,090 --> 01:26:57,610
I mean, they were literally saying, oh, here's the campground

1211
01:26:57,610 --> 01:26:58,690
here that you can stay at.

1212
01:26:58,770 --> 01:27:01,610
And calling out things by name, restaurants by name.

1213
01:27:01,710 --> 01:27:02,830
And I'm sitting there going, I

1214
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:04,510
I wonder if people even know that.

1215
01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:11,470
And so these businesses may see an uptick in, you know, yeah.

1216
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:14,870
And of course a portion of that's county lands, not all towns.

1217
01:27:15,390 --> 01:27:16,770
Oh, no, it's not, it barely even counts.

1218
01:27:16,810 --> 01:27:18,090
Because no one knows when you're...

1219
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:19,470
Well, but county maintained roads.

1220
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:21,050
Yeah, barely even touches town.

1221
01:27:21,330 --> 01:27:22,970
So Marcella, were you aware of some of that?

1222
01:27:24,270 --> 01:27:25,170
Yes, I was.

1223
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:28,230
Hayes brought that to my attention a little while ago.

1224
01:27:28,770 --> 01:27:31,330
And county board, as you know,

1225
01:27:31,330 --> 01:27:36,530
when I gave my rec update a couple weeks ago and I was looking at like upcoming areas of focus,

1226
01:27:36,690 --> 01:27:41,550
especially knowing that we need to start looking at what new grants to areas of focus that were

1227
01:27:41,550 --> 01:27:48,450
identified were OHV and winter recreation. So I actually have a little update on that.

1228
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:52,610
One of the big projects we've been wanting to work on for OHV is

1229
01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:58,270
county maintained roads provide a lot of the access points to the federal

1230
01:27:58,270 --> 01:28:17,430
Um, dirt road system and right now there are like laws in place that require that your vehicle be street legal to access, um, these areas. And so that's, um, not very conducive to allowing the access of this area. So we've been needing to figure that out.

1231
01:28:17,630 --> 01:28:23,370
And then the topic is pretty controversial.

1232
01:28:23,370 --> 01:28:38,270
So we have a meeting with a consultant tomorrow to help us start the process of figuring out what the steps are going to be to start looking at policy to improve the accessibility and then also start hosting public meetings.

1233
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:44,010
we've been asking the Forest Service and BLM for I think about two years now to kind of hold some

1234
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:54,250
public meetings and get a good direction of how we can promote OHV while also being respectful.

1235
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:59,330
And as Rob noted, like all the damage was side by side. So how do you balance the promotion but

1236
01:29:00,730 --> 01:29:06,090
you know the impact of that too. So we're going to have that meeting tomorrow and then

1237
01:29:07,230 --> 01:29:12,950
Rob, to your point about the winter trail system, we traditionally used to support the

1238
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:15,690
Indian National Forest in getting that winter trail system ready.

1239
01:29:16,150 --> 01:29:21,210
We've engaged with the town ahead of the season, but they're so well-staffed and on

1240
01:29:21,210 --> 01:29:25,850
top of their stuff that they haven't needed the support with that winter trail system.

1241
01:29:26,730 --> 01:29:32,890
But the county did just start engaging with the state to get an expansion of that,

1242
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:45,870
Mostly for North County, but would include some areas just north of where the system currently and so we're also looking at getting some new groomed winter trails in snow parks.

1243
01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:59,970
And then the other thing is that the county attended the California State Park Green sticker fund that that's the off highway vehicle division. We attended a conference back in January that teaches you how to apply and there's 5 different areas.

1244
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,660
Is that you can apply in? And so we're really interested in applying for planning, development and maintenance, which can provide staff funding, equipment funding, funding for signage, you know, any of that, and I would encourage the town, I can talk about this with loss and I would encourage them to apply for those grants as well.

1245
01:30:21,660 --> 01:30:30,800
they go out yearly. So I do hope that we apply for one of those. That would happen January of next year.

1246
01:30:31,820 --> 01:30:37,180
So on that, and you guys may be able to answer this question for me, you mentioned that the

1247
01:30:37,180 --> 01:30:41,720
Green Stickered Vehicles can't travel on some dirt roads because they're called Level 3 roads,

1248
01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:46,860
not Level 2 roads, which has to do with the amount of maintenance received annually.

1249
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,760
So a lot of the places where we're saying side by side you're destroying the roads,

1250
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,860
Those roads regularly get destroyed before side by side for a thing, by jeeps and motorcycles

1251
01:30:55,860 --> 01:30:59,200
and everything else, but the Forest Service always maintained them.

1252
01:30:59,780 --> 01:31:07,160
So if I use one specific example, the Sawmill Road that goes from 203 here and comes out

1253
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:12,460
by the tunnel on 395, which is considered a level three road, so technically you can't

1254
01:31:12,460 --> 01:31:18,340
use a green sticker vehicle on it, it has not been maintained to that level in years.

1255
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:25,680
So, if the Forest Service fails to maintain it, what happens to that level of protection

1256
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,780
received from Green Stickers?

1257
01:31:28,220 --> 01:31:33,280
Would it just then automatically revert, or could we ask that it be revert to a level

1258
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:33,600
two?

1259
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:35,040
One.

1260
01:31:35,620 --> 01:31:42,340
Two, I was told by a Mona County Sheriff decades ago, so he's old now, not me, but him,

1261
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:49,300
that the county on their roads and using maybe what Black Canyon Road, which is a county road

1262
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:54,820
that I use sometimes in the wintertime, because it's a county road, it could be simply designated

1263
01:31:54,820 --> 01:32:02,500
as a multi-use road. It takes very little to do that. Then it's legal to use as to

1264
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:07,300
create a gap fill for the OHV recreation.

1265
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:13,240
Yeah, I can partially speak to your questions.

1266
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:23,000
So for the level three, level two designations, I'm not sure how that process looks on the federal side.

1267
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:38,120
The county has been compiling a list of like motor vehicle use map proposed corrections, which would certainly involve some of what you're saying like reclassifying roads.

1268
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:49,900
I don't know if that solves the green sticker issue. I'd have to look at it. I do know that the Forest Service has a hard time maintaining the roads and that's part of why the county maintained road system exists for this.

1269
01:32:50,760 --> 01:33:08,100
So can certainly look into that. One thing I didn't mention before is as we move forward with the OHV thing, I think it'll be really important for Mono County Board and town council to potentially help advocate for the level of participation.

1270
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:21,720
participation that we're going to need from BLM and Forest Service historically that has been a barrier and then designating county maintained roads as multi-use roads.

1271
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:34,180
I do believe that I've heard that that is one of the potential solutions that we could pass an ordinance or resolution or something saying that like we're allowing a buffer in which we're allowing this type of use.

1272
01:33:34,980 --> 01:33:43,400
I think some of the other, like, tricky parts to this are getting connectivity from towns

1273
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:50,440
to these road systems, like how you can only cross at, like, a 90-degree angle, or, like,

1274
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,720
there's not sufficient enough staging areas, that's one of the things that we're going

1275
01:33:53,720 --> 01:34:00,060
to be looking at, is if there's not sufficient enough staging areas and, like, parking for

1276
01:34:00,060 --> 01:34:05,460
for these things to be trailered in then it's not going to solve the whole problem.

1277
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,380
But yeah, I do believe we could solve part of that with the designation,

1278
01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:11,220
and that's something I'm going to be looking into.

1279
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:18,960
Well, in your county started a program that I believe is still in fact where they could get it done.

1280
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,240
Yeah, it ended, but yeah.

1281
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,620
Yeah, I was going to say, so that was the Adventure Trails program,

1282
01:34:26,620 --> 01:34:29,520
and it basically did exactly what you were saying to allow

1283
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:34,240
people use County roads access towns the goal is from economic development

1284
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:39,000
perspective to if you're on going from Lone Pine to Bishop on dirt roads you

1285
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,860
could exit and go to gas stations or go to restaurants.

1286
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,940
Every as model I think

1287
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:49,240
after Utah had a similar program that every kind of entity that's done is

1288
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:55,220
met with like insane resistance on the environmental side from Center for

1289
01:34:55,220 --> 01:34:58,360
Biological Diversity is usually like front and center bring the lawsuit

1290
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,080
and others against whatever entity does it.

1291
01:35:01,460 --> 01:35:07,420
So you almost have to just start with an EIR before you even get to it because you're

1292
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:11,100
going to get sued for all sorts of reasons on it.

1293
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:17,180
And so I don't want to advocate for a grassroots program, but I mean, what Hayes shows kind

1294
01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:19,580
of almost similar to events and trails, but without.

1295
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,200
I just went out and did it.

1296
01:35:24,780 --> 01:35:31,660
Yeah, and that's a lot of the contention that we see. And I know we saw that at the beginning of the OSV.

1297
01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:49,700
Awesome process that was suspended a couple of years ago, but that's that's some of the balance that we want to try to find with the, the agencies and the public is like, again, how, how can we support our communities and livelihood of our region.

1298
01:35:50,420 --> 01:36:03,460
through OHV while also recognizing the impact to it. I mean, the county has a restoration grant right now for that exact purpose is to undo damage that has been done.

1299
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:11,100
So yeah, I do think the environmental part of it is going to be a big component possible barrier.

1300
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:17,320
So we're, we're at time a little over already and we have three remaining items.

1301
01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:25,600
Wildlife engagement, county life movement, town, civic center, hospital construction update.

1302
01:36:26,620 --> 01:36:33,760
I don't know if anybody has a few anything they want to say in a few minutes about that or if we want to table that for our next meeting.

1303
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:50,300
So I was, Marcel mentioned the meeting I was going to have Chief talk a little bit about, but on Monday and then Chief today at our department had we reached out to CDFW probably trying to get them to a council meeting on this 3rd of June.

1304
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:54,100
Yeah, so that actually was a really beneficial meeting.

1305
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:59,200
And we're going to do it, like Marcel said, once a month, first Monday of every month.

1306
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,840
So to speak with CDFW, find out how everything's going.

1307
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:09,020
One of the requests that I had was, and it may be good for the county as well, is to

1308
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:16,520
bring in CDFW three times during the summer, one at the beginning of the summer to talk

1309
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,600
about the activity, what they project, the activity is going to be throughout the

1310
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,540
summer, the middle of the summer in case they do do any relocations or anything

1311
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:29,660
like that with any of our bearers, to explain to the public that if they are

1312
01:37:29,660 --> 01:37:32,960
indeed still alive, they've been callered, this is where they're at.

1313
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:38,080
And then a closing statement by CDFW at the end of the summer.

1314
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,180
I didn't want to get them in there too much, but maybe that's something

1315
01:37:41,180 --> 01:37:45,480
that can be coordinated with the county as well to get CDFW in there.

1316
01:37:45,580 --> 01:37:48,980
We work very closely with CDFW, we being the town of Mammoth Lakes.

1317
01:37:50,140 --> 01:37:56,140
any of our incidents from the police department get reported to CDFW every

1318
01:37:56,140 --> 01:37:59,880
incident. Even if a bear is just walking down Main Street and we get the

1319
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:03,900
call, we'll send that CAD call to CDFW just to give them a heads up. Hey, this

1320
01:38:03,900 --> 01:38:07,840
bear is then they can do the research. Okay, it's been there five or six

1321
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,980
times. Let's go out and see if we can, you know, do something or get it out

1322
01:38:11,980 --> 01:38:17,640
of here. So dumpsters, housebreak ins, vehicles, so anything that we do

1323
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,980
to do with bears recent to CDFW, so which is good.

1324
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:25,260
A lot of the corrective behavior obviously comes from CDFW,

1325
01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:27,440
which you guys all heard about last year.

1326
01:38:27,580 --> 01:38:29,420
They were trapping and stuff like that, coloring

1327
01:38:29,420 --> 01:38:31,200
and then releasing in a different location.

1328
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,220
That's where I want CDFW to come in for the town

1329
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:37,560
and explain to our community that, hey,

1330
01:38:37,580 --> 01:38:38,560
this is where they're at.

1331
01:38:38,660 --> 01:38:41,340
Here are some live GPSs or here are some GPSs

1332
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:43,060
of where they've been over the last few days.

1333
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,140
So that is our plan.

1334
01:38:45,140 --> 01:38:47,100
Seemed to work really well last year.

1335
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,180
We weren't, we didn't have them come in three times last year,

1336
01:38:50,180 --> 01:38:51,200
but they did come in once.

1337
01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:52,660
And that's what we kind of baked on.

1338
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,260
When they came in that one time, it changed, in my opinion,

1339
01:38:56,380 --> 01:39:01,020
changed the attitude of what they're actually doing, right?

1340
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,120
And what we're actually doing and trying to work with CDFW.

1341
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:06,140
So I think it was beneficial for all.

1342
01:39:06,580 --> 01:39:08,340
And I think it would be beneficial for the county.

1343
01:39:08,780 --> 01:39:10,400
So three times, Town Council.

1344
01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:11,220
Yep.

1345
01:39:11,700 --> 01:39:12,800
First one's June 3rd.

1346
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,200
First one's June 3rd in the morning.

1347
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:19,540
out we don't know which would be great right and it could be made because they start to come

1348
01:39:19,540 --> 01:39:23,940
in active in the April beginning of May depending on the season and the snow right so get them in

1349
01:39:23,940 --> 01:39:28,880
June 3rd get a man in August September timeframe and get him back in around November all right

1350
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,340
and maybe Marcella you could help Courtney yeah and I wanted to tell you I've already reached

1351
01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:38,920
out to Danny Gehmins and Michael Brown we were going to give a presentation last October that

1352
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:43,600
just got away from us I've already nudged them about us getting in front of the board

1353
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,300
within the next couple weeks for that introductory presentation.

1354
01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:50,740
All right, that'd be great if you could just pick you back

1355
01:39:50,740 --> 01:39:52,580
on what they're already doing with the town.

1356
01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:53,600
Cool.

1357
01:39:54,140 --> 01:39:54,900
I know that there's interest

1358
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:57,540
at the collaborative planning team meeting last week.

1359
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,560
That was the topic was bear management as well.

1360
01:40:00,700 --> 01:40:02,700
And all that definitely expressed interest

1361
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,360
in bringing them to the board as well, so.

1362
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:06,120
Yeah.

1363
01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:09,920
I'd say with the county line movement,

1364
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:11,760
I think we have a very rare opportunity

1365
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:12,860
to move that forward.

1366
01:40:12,860 --> 01:40:18,440
potential to least explore that and we should put together a small working

1367
01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:25,000
group subset that really starts to dive on onto this. I think Hays has been our

1368
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,780
lead in that space and really just as a facilitator. As well as I mean

1369
01:40:29,780 --> 01:40:32,980
there's reasons behind that obviously we're with town's interests involved

1370
01:40:32,980 --> 01:40:38,620
on roads that should be ours soon. You may have a board that's more inclined to

1371
01:40:38,620 --> 01:40:42,040
listen to that now and sustain representatives of our supporters of

1372
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:47,900
Yeah, if there's interest in putting together a working group, we really need to get the

1373
01:40:48,860 --> 01:40:51,120
Sheriff's Department emergency services in the room.

1374
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:59,360
What we left it is we were going to put together a list of rationale reasons, justifications

1375
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:05,240
for the move, which are really all based on emergency services and response and access,

1376
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,720
and then that was going to go to Chris Beck, because it has to go through county.

1377
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,620
like it's not a town function it's a county function and Chris was going to

1378
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:22,630
put together the staff report and so forth and the motion and then once that

1379
01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:27,530
happens then it goes to Madeira and then we negotiate and sounds like they

1380
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:28,350
don't want a whole lot.

1381
01:41:30,690 --> 01:41:33,570
That's where we left it so I'm happy to put that

1382
01:41:33,570 --> 01:41:38,490
together but I don't have the horsepower to encourage certain people to

1383
01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:39,030
show up.

1384
01:41:41,070 --> 01:41:50,090
Thank you. I will be out of the country for a number of weeks so probably early June

1385
01:41:50,090 --> 01:41:56,010
I'll reach out and we can maybe get this thing back on track. I think here's your ghost code

1386
01:41:56,010 --> 01:42:02,370
hearing on the other side some mixed reception on their side there's and it's all rumors

1387
01:42:02,370 --> 01:42:02,970
So I don't know

1388
01:42:04,370 --> 01:42:07,930
Sandra met with some of the representatives and they were

1389
01:42:08,750 --> 01:42:12,570
Acknowledging that it was not in the best interest to be responsible for that land

1390
01:42:13,190 --> 01:42:16,170
Talk with one party over there and they tell me would be cold in hell before

1391
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:18,950
There's a couple of those

1392
01:42:20,710 --> 01:42:21,150
bodies

1393
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:28,750
Retiring and they'll have a new a new supervisor in that district Frank Bigelow as you may remember him

1394
01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:40,930
And there's a couple different processes. There's friendly, which is what we're trying to do is, like, we just all agree that this isn't the best interest of all of our parties, and that's it.

1395
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:49,950
And then there's the nasty, which we go through a different process and say they're not participating and it's foolish for them to have it and we use a different process.

1396
01:42:50,170 --> 01:42:51,010
Like condemnation.

1397
01:42:52,450 --> 01:42:55,850
Yeah, it's exactly like that. It's in the domain of another county.

1398
01:42:56,210 --> 01:42:58,110
Yeah, I hope that they understand this.

1399
01:42:58,990 --> 01:43:05,890
Okay, so we'll work on that, and our last time is the Townsend Center Hospital construction update.

1400
01:43:06,350 --> 01:43:15,890
Yeah, so we meet every two weeks, town, hospital, courts, all the parties, and talk about what's going on.

1401
01:43:15,890 --> 01:43:23,330
I would like to see more county participation in those meetings I absolutely

1402
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:26,810
can I will say I don't want to say anything disparaging but sometimes it's

1403
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:31,270
a little hit and miss all of the impactful things are discussed in these

1404
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:34,150
meetings and I will say there's over the next 60 days there's gonna be some

1405
01:43:34,150 --> 01:43:39,690
significant impacts coming on the hospital side town is we're about done

1406
01:43:39,690 --> 01:43:43,850
we're we've got a couple days we're exciting we gotta do some siding we

1407
01:43:43,850 --> 01:43:51,110
got the electricity coming. We're just going to shut off all your power overnight. No big

1408
01:43:51,110 --> 01:43:55,590
deal. We're working through IT though. We're working through IT and we need to keep some

1409
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:58,130
systems running. Yeah.

1410
01:44:01,130 --> 01:44:02,190
We were all there.

1411
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,830
But the hospital is they're moving very quickly.

1412
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:16,510
They've got electric lines to run they've got two crane pigs coming where they're gonna have to put the crane out the parking lot and

1413
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:23,690
All these things are being communicated and worked through and in those meetings. So is there is there like a

1414
01:44:24,610 --> 01:44:31,010
Summary after these meetings that sit out because we got an hour's notice that there this was going to be blocked this morning

1415
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:35,150
Yeah, we got that notice too. Yeah, sometimes those are utility things where they're like, hi

1416
01:44:35,150 --> 01:44:37,050
We're here to do some stuff and everybody goes

1417
01:44:38,130 --> 01:44:43,470
okay great and that's unfortunate and we just have to manage that but some of the

1418
01:44:43,470 --> 01:44:48,630
bigger issues it's on each department to go back and communicate with their

1419
01:44:48,630 --> 01:44:52,470
with their teams about what is impactful to them so the town takes up in the

1420
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:56,050
hospital and I'll disseminate that to my groups Lester communicates with the

1421
01:44:56,050 --> 01:44:59,910
courts and disseminates to his group and then Karen was on the last

1422
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,660
She should hopefully disseminate to your team, because everybody has a different methodology

1423
01:45:03,660 --> 01:45:08,500
for communication and the impacts are different groups. So, we've been doing this for over

1424
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:12,540
a year, every two weeks. So, I can send it to you, and...

1425
01:45:12,540 --> 01:45:18,960
I used to be on a piece of a waiting list. Yeah, I just keep pushing it every two weeks.

1426
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:24,040
So, the next meeting is on the 20th at three o'clock, and I'll forward that. I don't,

1427
01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:26,180
Jen, I don't think you're on it, but I'll forward it to you as well.

1428
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,320
And we hope to have Hayeson team moving in sometime late July and the rest of the team

1429
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,560
in August into early September and then out.

1430
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:37,000
So they're going to get crowded.

1431
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,760
If you need to furniture, I saw in the hallway there's a whole bunch of stuff.

1432
01:45:41,060 --> 01:45:42,360
Oh, there's a lot of sticky notes on there.

1433
01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:44,440
It's actually moving.

1434
01:45:44,900 --> 01:45:45,900
Yeah, it'll be gone by tomorrow.

1435
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:46,700
Let's have it.

1436
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,680
We're going to take it and stuff it with me.

1437
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:50,340
They can have it.

1438
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,120
They can have it.

1439
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:52,380
He said it was a fire problem.

1440
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:52,640
I know.

1441
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:54,000
Fire is my buddy.

1442
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:54,460
We're good.

1443
01:45:54,460 --> 01:45:55,720
It's not a fireball.

1444
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,660
It snows in that hallway anyway, so I don't want to even hear it.

1445
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,860
Do you not resuscitate on building in?

1446
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:02,900
Let's just close up.

1447
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,000
Unless you have any direct questions for me, I'm happy to answer them.

1448
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:08,700
Both parties are at this.

1449
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:17,360
Just to clarify for a survey, at what point in time will all the time offices be moved into the Civic Center?

1450
01:46:17,500 --> 01:46:18,140
By the end of September.

1451
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,240
So, I can't wait.

1452
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,180
All right.

1453
01:46:26,020 --> 01:46:26,560
Awesome.

1454
01:46:26,860 --> 01:46:26,940
Yeah.

1455
01:46:27,940 --> 01:46:32,880
And just real quick, I mean, that facility is designed for the community as a primary focus

1456
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:38,840
when you look at the way it's designed, all of the really nice aspects are functional

1457
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:40,080
for the community.

1458
01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:41,640
And it's in the front center.

1459
01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:44,280
And I'm really excited about seeing that come to fruition.

1460
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,160
It's obviously going to be a nice facility for us, but it's for the community and it

1461
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,120
should show that the moment you walk in.

1462
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:52,940
So, cool.

1463
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:53,520
Great.

1464
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:54,020
No pressure.

1465
01:46:54,260 --> 01:46:54,660
Thanks, everyone.

1466
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:57,000
Thanks.

1467
01:46:58,340 --> 01:46:58,760
Thanks.

1468
01:46:59,020 --> 01:46:59,240
Thanks.

1469
01:46:59,380 --> 01:46:59,900
We're adjourned.

1470
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:00,370
Thank you.

1471
01:47:00,900 --> 01:47:01,300
Thank you.

1472
01:47:01,300 --> 01:47:01,340
Thank you.