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Mhm.

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» What do we do as an organization on a
regular basis? We observe and report to

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members of on the work of our municipal
councils.

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And as with today's meeting, we often
share important work with these

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councils. We hold regular town hall
meetings on key community items and for

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many years have presented informational
meetings open to the public on issues

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that are critical to our communities,
often on environmental concerns. And in

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2026, we will continue our tradition of
working with council candidates in

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holding all candidate meetings in the
run-up to October's municipal

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council election.
We have also participated in hearings on

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various threats to the community. This
past year, we've been very active in

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reviewing and responding to a major
aggregate proposal in Melancthon, close

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to the Mulmur town line, a project which
has raised concerns across the county on

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water usage, flow of our main rivers,
and potential serious air contamination

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arising from explosives usage.
MC Squared operates with a board and a

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very dedicated group of volunteers, many
of whom are here today.

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Currently, we have a membership of 90
households reflecting a total membership

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of approximately 300 citizens.
We are always interested in attracting

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new members to support the important
work that we are doing. You'll notice

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that we have a table in the back of the
room with more information on MC

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Squared. We invite everyone here to join
us as members.

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We are currently in the process of
updating our website, a project that

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will be completed in June and will
provide a more detailed information

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about our current projects and
opportunities for volunteer engagement.

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All right, let's get started with uh
today's agenda.

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Um perhaps first of all, I'll introduce
uh the council members that are here

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today. We have counselor Capes.
We have uh Deputy Mayor Nix. We have

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Mayor Creelman.
We have counselor Mactalo and counselor

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Davey. Thank you all for being here.
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» Our keynote speaker today is Mr. Andrew
McCammon. He is executive director of

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the Ontario Headwaters Institute.
Following a career that included working

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as a consultant to or employee of
agencies on four levels of government in

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Ontario, federal, provincial, municipal,
and a conservation authority,

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Andrew became the executive director of
the Ontario Headwaters Institute in

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2008.
Since joining, Andrew has guided the

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institute through a change of focus from
headwaters to full watershed management

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and more recently to promoting watershed
security. He will share with us today

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why that happened and provide
observations about how it relates to

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safe and sustainable water for Mono's
future. Andrew? Thanks.

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That was my error. Yes. Council Capes we

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Sat on? Ooh, there you go.
Good morning, everybody.

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>> We would like to begin by respectfully

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acknowledging that the town of Mono
resides within the traditional territory

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and ancestral lands of the Tionontati,
Attawandaron, Haudenosaunee, and

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Anishinaabe peoples.
We also acknowledge that the town of

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Mono resides within the treaty lands
named under Treaty 18, the Nottawasaga

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purchase of 1818.
These traditional territories upon which

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we live and learn are steeped in rich
indigenous history and traditions. It is

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with this statement that we declare to
honor and respect the past and present

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connection of indigenous peoples with
this land, its waterways, and resources.

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And now, I give you Andrew.
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» Thank you.

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I'm just
going to

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try to
make that a lectern.

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Try to not have my backs to anybody. I
apologize.

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Um
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the audience, thank you for coming. Um
this is too much information, but there

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won't be too much information. Uh I was
at a conference 2 weeks ago and I had to

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look at a screen to the side
and I came home with a crick in my neck.

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They don't want to hear this. And
the next day I got food poisoning.

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Now, I will just tell you this.
The human body wasn't designed

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to have a crick in the neck while you're
retching, okay?

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» [laughter]

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» So,
thank you so much for the introduction,

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the land acknowledgement, and it's a
pleasure to be here today. I want to

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thank Stephen in particular.
Um he saw a version of some of this uh a

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couple of weeks, well, 4 weeks ago now.
And um stop that. Stop it. Um

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and the projector didn't work.
So, it was kind of a

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a tap dance between what I wanted to say
and Oh, this side was going to tell you.

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Um I try not to read my slides. Um this
is a 1-year course, university course in

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watershed management in 20 minutes.
So, I try I'm going to try to do a

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narrative that will open up some issues
for you, underscore other issues you're

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probably familiar with.
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but
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the slides, and there's a copy of the
complete PowerPoint on the table. And if

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you want me to email you a digital
version, tell me your email address and

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I'll send it to you. A lot of the
bullets in these slides I could speak to

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you for an hour. We're not going to do
that, and there won't be a test. Um so,

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uh uh uh hopefully I can get this
covered in a in a entertaining fashion

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in in 20 minutes. Okay.
So, I've always been a water baby.

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I don't know if anybody else has water
babies, but they're the kids that want

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to stay in the bathtub all the time and
when you take them to swimming class at

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the Y, they want to do the length of the
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They don't want to learn how to crawl.
And I've always been interested in

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water. I love fog. I love rain. I love
back country canoe tripping and swimming

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six times a day. I've always been
interested in water. And then I got

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somewhat interested in the science,
which this covers.

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Uh but I ended up in the policy wrong
side. Um and and so people just don't

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understand water. Most people until you
get a crisis that's like the several

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that your community is facing with uh
development and arsenic and quality and

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quantity,
um you you

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suddenly people get interested in water,
but we take it for granted. A lot of

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people don't know where water comes
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Water is life and it's the defining
feature of our planet. Yes, the pictures

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from the moon showed clouds, but by and
large it was a blue bobble with the

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oceans. Um but where did it come from?
Well, this planet was a dead rock.

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And it was as it condensed, there were
volcanoes for millions of years,

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probably hundreds of millions of years.
Those volcanoes ejected the water

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particles in the rock into the
atmosphere. What was an atmosphere? It

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was toxic, poisonous, wouldn't call it
an atmosphere, but it was too hot to

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rain.
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all the water that we have now in the
oceans was suspended. And finally, the

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planet cooled down enough for it to
rain, and the rain covered the planet.

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That was before the continents emerged.
So, then some of the land that was now

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submerged by that water arose.
And in those um areas that got wet a

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couple of times a day,
those are where we feel life began.

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And cyanobacteria invented
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And the photosynthesis,
the most of those those plants were for

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the most part in the water. There's no
plants on land. And those plants

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put all the oxygen into the atmosphere.
So water is not just key for life now

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for us, but water in fact is where life
began and created our atmosphere. So we

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need to respect it a lot more than we
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Currently we have a synergistic kind of
relationship. Water circulates the

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planet in what's called the hydrological
cycle. I'm sure you're familiar with it.

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Um and and it's amazing, but I I just
love teachers and talking to kids.

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Uh I sometimes talk about uh the
hydrological cycle, which is

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accumulation, water flowing across the
land,

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um transpiration, the sunlight
evaporating it and the trees breathing

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it out.
Uh that water vapor rises, condensation,

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and then precipitation. And I was doing
this for some class and some kid went,

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"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Accumulation,
transpiration, condensation, and

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precipitation." Like they had all these
signs for it. They knew exactly what was

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going on. And and that's what we're
currently jeopardizing with the

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greenhouse gases we're putting up into
the air. We're affecting the

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hydrological cycle, the intensity and
duration of storms, uh longer droughts,

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uh
longer heat waves, longer intense rain

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as Ontario just found out and we've got
all this flooding all over the place

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such as in uh Minden Mills right now and
other places. Um

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so
stop it.

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So our hydrological cycle, to me it's
somewhat similar to the formation of the

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planet and the formation of water. It's
still water's still going everywhere.

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Once it rains, it flows across the land.
It creates our headwater areas, our

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surface water streams. It percolates
into the ground and and can be

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groundwater and or aquifers or
aquitards, which a lot of is very

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important here with your arsenic and
other problems.

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We started as the Headwaters Institute.
Headwaters are very simply first,

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second, and third order streams. A first
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>> Two first come together, they form a

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second.
Two seconds 100 ones could come in, it's

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not going to change.
Two twos come together, it's a third.

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So, these things grow exponentially.
The biggest watershed in the world is

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the Amazon.
It's a 12th order stream.

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It's not 100, it's not 47, it's 12. And
it has the only two 11th order streams

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in the world. The McKenzie is a 10th
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it's a it's it's geometric progression.
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and it infiltrates into the ground and
it exfiltrates out of the ground. Our

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cold water fisheries, such as the
Credit, where you have great trout

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fishing, it's a cold water stream
because there's so much percolation of

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groundwater that goes into the karst
dolomite of the Niagara Escarpment. And

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when it comes out, it's chilled to
ground temperature at 58°. That's why

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there's cold water fisheries. Um and of
course also, because it infiltrates,

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that's how we get our arsenic and other
chemicals, either naturally from the

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soil or from when people get in and
start disturbing that soil.

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There's no clock.

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what I'm going to do today, I wanted to
give you that as just some common

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background about how much we love and
respect water.

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Um this is kind of I said mentioned
earlier, this is kind of a very

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condensed expression of the whole nine
yards of watershed management

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um and our desire to shift to watershed
security, which I'll get into.

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Um so
we're I'm going to provide a framework

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of what watershed management is right
now. There's lots of bullets on the

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pages, that's why I handed them out.
There are things you can research, you

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can ask me, email me if you have any
questions on those elements. Then we're

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going to get into recent and future
challenges. So just imagine a picture of

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Doug Ford up there.

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And then uh we'll talk about what Mono
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So as per some of the things we've
handed out in the introduction and I

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don't want to repeat it over and over
again, but we are a registered charity

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that promotes watershed security.
Um and and that includes water security.

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There's a lot of consternation right now
because there's a bill

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I think it's 100 uh
which is introducing the prospect of

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municipally owned
water um corporations.

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And 10 days ago that was in included the
prospect of of

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uh
municipal private partnerships where

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they could sell shares to water
companies. And that's been taken out of

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the draft legislation. Only
municipalities will be allowed to own

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the shares. Um so they've they've kind
of putting a little lid on water

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security, which is your municipal water
supply, but we're still uh but watershed

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security includes water security because
it's the water flowing across the

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landscape and going into our aquifers
that feeds the water security issues.

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And we believe, and this is our
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uh with all of our
environmental organizations that we work

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with so strongly in three land use
planning coalitions.

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Um they are so angry at Doug Ford and
the developers and the appearance of

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corruption from the Greenbelt scandal um
that they are just absolutely frothing

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at the mouth. We've been telling them
for 5 years, it's all about water.

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If you use water as the key
metric for land use planning,

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the land use planning issues are going
to go away.

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So, we're still a voice in the
wilderness. We haven't been able to

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break through. I think we're starting to
finally see that. The the crisis in

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Waterloo where there is a moratorium on
development permits,

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um there's emerging crises in other
communities, hello Mono.

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Um there's farmers that are having
incredible difficulty trusting the water

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that's uh that they have uh to irrigate
their crops. Some of that is quantity,

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some of that is salt from on the roads.
Um so, we we have to do a better job

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both with our land use planning. If we
don't cut down all the trees, if we

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don't drain all the wetlands, if we
don't shove concrete pavement everywhere

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to adjust to to reduce the flow of storm
water, we wouldn't have so many water

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problems. And so, currently in all of
our planning mechanisms, water is taken

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for granted, it's kicked down the policy
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It's not planned from the beginning. So,
we get into these problems. So, that's

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that's who we are.
Um Ontario, I don't know if you are

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familiar with this.
Um I speak to a lot of

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uh crowds that are intense policy wonks
like myself. So, we know all about the

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Conservation Authorities Act 1946
and the beginnings of the

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Ontario led the world. No organization
in the world had conservation

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authorities. Ministries of the
environment were formed until the 1970s.

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Ontario was one of the first in 1970 and
that was because of the Rome conference

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on sustainable development. All the
governments in across the world, Canada,

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Ontario, Canada, the US, Europe, they
started to create ministries of the

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environment. Ontario was 14 years ahead
of that, 1946,

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creating conservation authorities. And
that influenced a whole shaft raft of

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elements of the planning regime. These
are those bullets that we're not going

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to talk to. The Niagara Escarpment Plan
was the first water planning commission

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in the world.
We have a really good planning act and a

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provincial policy statement which guides
development.

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The Environmental Bill of Rights,
another almost world leading. But water

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was
very much the focus of the Lake Simcoe

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Protection Act, the Oak Ridges Moraine,
the Greenbelt, the Place to Grow, the

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danger everything. It was it was
inculcated throughout all these acts

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because we had done such a poor job with
water in the 30s and 40s, cutting down

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trees and creating erosion and flooding
conditions.

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Hurricane Hazel would not have been so
bad had we not cut down all the trees on

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the Oak Ridges Moraine.
So, all of these things are connected.

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with all of these things, the
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very complex.
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agencies. There are all these
interacting bits of legislation. There

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are all these committees of government
people who got together and decide who's

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going to do what.
Um and so it really is an Excedrin

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headache. I think everybody in this room
remembers the old Excedrin headache

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commercials on TV. It's not just a
regular headache, it's an Excedrin

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headache.
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and so we have unequal policies, in ad
it very very different resources. Some

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municipalities support and contract
their conservation authorities to do

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really good work to help them with their
official plans. Which is now outlawed.

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Thank you, Mr. Ford. As he outlawed
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Um
so there's there's all these things that

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have become very very complex. Some CAs
ensure that mis- some municipalities

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ensure their municipal- their CAs get
good levies and so they have resources,

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but some people's water is protected
better than other people's water. And

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and we don't think that's right. Water
is fundamental right. It's a global

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commons and we need to respect and
protect water more uniformly across the

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landscape.
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blasting right along. And I still don't
have a time. Oh, there's a clock. When

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did I start?
At Did I start at 9:40?

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Nailed it. Okay, perfect. God, I'm good.
Thank you very much.

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Um so I want to talk a little bit about
what the current problems are.

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For the most part, the system has become
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Because we have too many agencies, too
not enough resources, and and things are

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different in different geographic areas.
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You won't be able to see this and if I
printed it on an 8 and 1/2 by 11, you

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wouldn't be able to see it at all. But
we have this amazing map. Sorry that

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it's so hard to see. This depicts
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water management organizations just in
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36 of them are conservation authorities.
There's others like the Severn Sound

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Environmental Association.
There are areas covered by the Ministry

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of Ministry Natural Resources where
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There's the Lake Simcoe Protection Act
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Act. And some of the CAs and part of the
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uh area are within the Greenbelt. So,
right away you've got three overlapping

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geographic areas with different policies
and priorities. So, we've been trying to

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tell the Ministry for for 5 years
that this is needs is fragmented and

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needs to be standardized. So, we're not
opposed to the harmonization of policies

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for conservation authorities as proposed
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uh the the the draft act to consolidate
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conservation agency to tell them what to
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agency. In fact, 7 years ago we proposed
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So, we're not opposed to the concept,
but what this government is doing is

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it's trimming
rather than consolidating to the highest

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standard. It's reducing the cost. The
government province hasn't paid a

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provincial fee to conservation
authorities for 15 years. They're now

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talking about $3 million to 36 CAs to
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Thanks very much. Um so, we're not get
this this is going to be worse. Um but,

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that's the situation. That's why we're
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Um
the the next one is that with so many

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agencies involved and I mentioned that
people sit around a table. If you want

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to bring an issue to the attention of
CVC for example, and I'll give you the

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example of the Aaron sewage treatment
plant, and the concern there is that the

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effluent discharge is going to be above
the temperature in which brook trout can

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live.

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When this was
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manner, not by me,
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in a serious manner to say, you know,
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Suddenly, the agencies started talking
to each other. They didn't know Well,

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I'll talk to the Ministry of Natural
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having a meeting next week.
Somebody should be in charge of some

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simple things, which I'll get to later.
But with this

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fragmentation,
we get agencies saying, well, I'm not

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sure, let me get back to you.
I run a business. I don't run my

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business that way.
And the other one is, and I said I

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wasn't going to read very much, but one
of the outcomes of what we have right

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now
from this

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is that the conservation authorities do
watershed report cards. We have 886

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watersheds
under the jurisdiction of the 36

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conservation authorities.
We forest conditions are fair,

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poor, or very poor
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While the surface water, and this is
quite interesting, I would have thought

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it would have been worse. I would have
thought the surface water would be worse

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than the forest conditions.
There's science reasons I've been

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educated on. The surface water quality
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fair, poor, or very poor,
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And if we did a map of where those very
poor were, you could probably pretty

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well identify them without doing any
science.

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because it's downstream of Richmond
Hill. It's downstream of Brampton. It's

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down It's It's It's where the
agglomerations are because we have too

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much concrete and poor such poor
stormwater treatment. So, we're we're

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not in good condition and
this really applies to to Mono.

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Given the increase of sprawl and the
Ford government has imposed sprawl on

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some communities like um Caledon and
Halton, they wanted to intensify their

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downtowns and build up. And the Ford
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farmland in there in Halton
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They didn't want that.
They were opposed to it. So, given the

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increases in urban sprawl and the and
the changing climates,

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we can predict that these numbers will
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And there would be more and more
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there are in Waterloo. And some of the
material from some of your counselors

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and members of MC squared that Steve so
kindly forwarded me so I could get a

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background, the issue of water quantity
that was raised several weeks ago and

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the report was then released from the
source water protection committee where

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there's a mid-term quantity concern.
You're on it. It's not imminent. It's

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not going to happen tomorrow. People
have time to responsibly work on it. But

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you'll end up like Waterloo if if that's
not dealt with. Waterloo is not They're

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actually houses that are built. They
won't give them water. Those developers

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are threatening to sue.
Um there's other developments won't

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start yet cuz they haven't got their
water allocation. Developers

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are going to lose their workforce.
If you can't keep the framers and the

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electricians and the plumbers and the
concrete pores engaged, they're going to

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find a job in another community and
eventually move. Then you're going to

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have to re-attract your workforce. So
there's this multiplier effect from

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stupidity.
And whereas Walkerton was caused by poor

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water quality monitoring, in fact
criminally poor,

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Waterloo is being caused by poor water
quantity monitoring. They weren't

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monitoring their wells.
And the fed the provincial government

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was issuing
permits for aggregate pits with no

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consideration at all for water and below
water table aggregate pits. So these are

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all things that
act together

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and I'm way on to the next page.
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» So that's why we're very concerned and
I'm thrilled to see that you're on this,

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that you're planning in advance and the
report, the actual report that was

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tabled, I think took away a lot of the
concern that people had when they first

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heard there's a water qual quantity
crisis in Mono. I think it's not

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imminent. I think you've got time to
work for it and the report's very

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encouraging on those fronts.
So those are the fragmentation issues.

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This is what happens when we have this
over 40 agencies involved in in

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watershed management. The other one
that's happened, go away. Go away, I

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don't want you there.
Is dilution.

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The provincial government has
wants to take the planet back to the

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volcanic rock it was with no water on
it. They just don't like water. The

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housing action plan, we're on like we're
on like version seven right now cuz they

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can't get it right. They keep taking
away laws and regulations encouraging

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the developers to build. Zero condo
starts in the first quarter of this year

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in Toronto.
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the developers just don't have the right
conditions. And the government's trying

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hard to encourage housing. We need
housing. We need affordable housing. I'm

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not against that, but when you give away
so much, way back when they were first

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elected, they actually the first bill
that they proposed had a section in it

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to to establish special bylaw areas.
Where municipalities were alleviated

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from the responsibility of honoring the
the Clean Water Act. Well, that's a good

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thing to do. Who needs to honor the
Clean Water Act, which is what sets up

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the Source Protection Committees. That
we beat them back. Environmental

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Defense, thank goodness, spent $150,000
on a campaign that we supported. That

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bill was withdrawn from the house. We've
had virtually no similar successes

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since.
Uh and now that's not special bylaw

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areas, it's special economic zones. Uh
which is why they're going to they're

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going to steal the airport. It's what
they're doing with Ontario Place. It's

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what they're going to do in the Ring of
Fire. Um obviously they streamline

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approvals.
Uh this is a biggie. Bill 185

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if in the past you were downstream of a
development and you were concerned about

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the stormwater plan
and and the volume and the sediment what

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you were going to get downstream water
and the sediment gets deposited on the

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gravel beds where the fish breed and the
temperature changes. Um those were

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reasons to be able to appeal the Ontario
Land Tribunal.

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Now you can only appeal
if you're on a contiguous property

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and oh by the way, you had to be
involved in the public meetings from the

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very beginning or else you weren't
allowed to appeal.

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So, the it's just this horrible table of
development at any cost.

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Um I won't get into section 4.2 of the
PPS, but that's directs municipalities

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to
they actually have to embrace the

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watershed at the meaningful level for
planning and they have to protect,

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restore, or improve water through their
planning. No municipality is doing that.

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I've made 12 presentations in the last
year. They want no part of it and the

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government's not going to force them to
do it. Right now and we have omnibus

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bills with no consultation, no committee
meetings, and closure. So, this

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government really doesn't want to talk
about water. On Thursday nights

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Steve Clark, who was forced to resign
from the Greenbelt scandal, where he was

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taking land out of the out of the
Greenbelt, he is now proposed that Bill

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97 be voted on in the house and never
mind the committee hearings. Well, Bill

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97 happens to be
the consolidation of conservation

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authorities. Oh, and by the way, it has
freedom of information changes.

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And if they if we get access to all of
the papers, maybe somebody's going to

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jail.
So, they're they're trying to rush Bill

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97 to the floor of the house without any
committee hearings whatsoever. This is

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our government. There are other aligned
reductions encouraged by the Housing

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Action Plan. The Endangered Species Act
has become a joke.

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Uh you used to be able to have to
protect um the habitat, the range of a

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species. Now, you only have to
you only have to protect the den.

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So, like where a turtle lays their eggs,
you have to protect it. Where the turtle

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can live and eat,
you don't have to. Um and on and on and

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on. I call it the pitiful aggregate
policies because our pits can now get

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they're just below water table's not a
problem.

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So,
it used to be uh

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it used to have to have municipal
approval.

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Because below the water table can impact
municipal water, and the counselors have

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a legal obligation to protect the health
of their municipality.

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They took it away.
So, you don't you don't have a say now

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in below water table pits. And on and
on, I'm going to go

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I'm just about need to wrap up.
Um and then of course I mentioned

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earlier the twin climate and
biodiversity crisis. So, these are the

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really big challenges on on water. So,
we think watershed management has had

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its day.
Thank you, world-leading, fabulous,

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fragmented and diluted.
Uh and we think it should be changed for

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a system based on watershed security
with aspirational goals and

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science-based outcomes. I'm going to
give you two.

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The provincial targets should mimic
something in a federal

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guideline called how much habitat is
enough.

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The federal guideline suggests that you
you should protect a minimum of 30% of a

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watershed in natural heritage, 40% is
better, and 50% is opt 60 50% is

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optimal. We have no targets at all for
maintaining natural heritage in Ontario.

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We have the Greenbelt, thank you very
much, that's great. But every watershed

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should If you cut down all the trees and
drain all the wetlands, that watershed's

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going to deteriorate. So, we need
prevent And all those are in how much

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00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:21,400
habitat is enough. The percentage of
wetlands that should be there, the

427
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:27,680
percentage of treed
edges along streams for for 30 m, uh,

428
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,360
overall
natural heritage for the watershed. We

429
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:36,920
don't have any aspirational targets.
Here's the second one. Um, we have

430
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:42,080
something called the Ontario provincial
water quality objectives.

431
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:47,160
That's what sets it. There are there
it's not exactly the same as

432
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:54,040
um, the arsenic and selenium issues that
you have here, but for

433
00:36:50,280 --> 00:37:00,000
scores of chemicals um, like E. coli in
the water there are targets that you

434
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:03,560
should not go over for which start to
impact fish health,

435
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:09,760
the other creatures that live in the
water, and of course drinking water. We

436
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,760
have targets.

437
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,200
There's no triggers.

438
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:21,880
We know of streams that have exceeded E.
coli and other key

439
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:27,080
objectives in the water in the
provincial water quality year after year

440
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,440
after year.
No agency is tasked with addressing it

441
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,120
from what level.
That's um,

442
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:41,320
what I
meant earlier by science-based outcomes.

443
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,760
That's what I meant earlier when I
talked about the temperature of the fish

444
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,200
where these people are meeting in
committee to determine whether or not

445
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,400
the effluent coming out of the Erin STP
is going to kill the brook trout. And

446
00:37:51,566 --> 00:37:57,440
» [laughter]
>> and at one point somebody from CV said,

447
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:01,000
"You know, you're right, but we're we
it's microclimate and we have we have

448
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,800
other streams that are above this
temperature and we have brook trout. So,

449
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:09,360
if if we kill the brook trout in this
tributary of the Credit, we'll just go

450
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:15,240
get some from another from another
creek." And I said to them,

451
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:20,386
"Oh, which sci- which international
science journal did you report that to?

452
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Cuz I haven't seen that."
>> [laughter]

453
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:30,080
» So, uh, we need standards, targets, and
and people should be responsible, not a

454
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,560
committee meeting, but maybe the
conservation authority should be

455
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:38,520
responsible for this, the municipality
for that, the provincial government for

456
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:43,640
this, and uh you know who to call. So,
that's we believe shifting to watershed

457
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:48,680
security. And um
that's why we have the big poster.

458
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Uh watershed security, and that's why we
have a handout handout

459
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,240
and a little poster
which is the municipal lens for

460
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,960
watershed security. We're Within a
month, we'll have a whole slew of these.

461
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,880
We have the watershed security, the
municipal, the provincial had was held

462
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:10,480
up. The provincial guidelines are coming
out next week. Um and then we're going

463
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,000
to get to agriculture and aggregates.
We'll have sectors and targets,

464
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:18,840
science-based targets for every sector
so we can treat our water better.

465
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:23,640
I hope I'm near the end. Oh, look at
this.

466
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Magic.

467
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,640
I was encouraged when the
Michael?

468
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:35,240
There's too many new names. I'm
Doug. Doug, sorry. My apologies, Doug.

469
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:40,840
He reminded us of what the goals of MC
Squared are. You know, that's absolutely

470
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:47,360
perfect. Monitor and meet and publish
and and get the citizens engaged. Um

471
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:52,160
that's absolutely perfect. We believe
that what Mono needs to continue doing

472
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,720
is through all the emails that I was
sent, again, thank you, Stephen, on

473
00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:02,160
what's happening, whether it's the
uh the new developments,

474
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:06,800
uh the inability to turn on the um
sewage treatment plant, uh the growing

475
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:10,560
arsenic, um
those you're you're on it. You're doing

476
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:16,560
the right things. You're looking at the
reports. You're engaging people. We

477
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:22,360
would suggest that this needs more
engagement.

478
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Um that you need to build allies.
Go to the meetings. Uh

479
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,960
who's there? Talk to the funny guy in
the red shirt. Oh, wait. Wait a minute.

480
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Not me. Um
and find out what they do and what

481
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,920
resources they have, what they know. Uh
build allies. And the most important

482
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,680
thing is, other than I'm I'm going to
touch on these in a minute, is

483
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:49,480
concentrate on the policies,
not the politics.

484
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:54,360
We are a registered charity. We're not
allowed to lobby.

485
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:58,280
But And people say, "How can you write
that stuff, Andrew?" Well, this is this

486
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:02,400
on the policies. It's not political.
I'm not saying vote for the left-hand

487
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:07,560
party over the right-hand party. We're
saying we want these policies. And you

488
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:13,640
can do that without any fear at
whatsoever. Um so, I encourage you to

489
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:17,920
understand the local policies, uh sort
out the

490
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:22,720
uh concrete the sensitive, compassionate
elected leaders. Find those allies there

491
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,520
and ask
You were mentioning uh you know what's

492
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:32,920
going on in Caledon. Uh Caledon is
trying to put in 35,000 homes on 7,000

493
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:38,160
acres north of a particular road, and
they put forward 12 bylaws,

494
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:45,680
uh and Democracy Caledon has spent so
far over $200,000 on a judicial review

495
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:49,160
that those bylaws are illegal. Um and
you need to find You need to get way

496
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,440
ahead of that. You need to do that at
the official plan. Need to do that at

497
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:58,360
the block at the uh secondary planning.
You need to be involved, um and uh

498
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:03,520
concentrate on the policy, not the
politics. Uh Rural Democracy Caledon is

499
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:08,200
being slagged
uh as a as a bunch of wannabes who want

500
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,920
to be elected, and that they're hurting
Caledon. It's just the the the

501
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:16,920
temperature up there is horrible. The
elected politicians are being political,

502
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:22,480
but the charities can't be political.
Concentrate on the policies. So, those

503
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,920
are the the big takeaways.
Uh 22 minutes.

504
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,720
Um
Support the conservation authority.

505
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:34,400
Consider how you can integrate land use
and watershed planning at the municipal

506
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:40,240
level. Map and include your significant
source water contribution areas, locally

507
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:44,320
significant wetlands in official plans.
And then defend them. Sometimes

508
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:51,200
significant wetlands
get filled in accidentally by sediment

509
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:54,440
and gravel trucks. Um
And then they're not a significant

510
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,160
wetland anymore. And all the wildlife's
gone, and they're not filtering water

511
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:02,760
very well. So, you've got to map them
and defend them. Um same with the key

512
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:06,400
source water protection areas, uh and
exclude them for site alteration

513
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,400
planning.
That's where you don't pay attention in

514
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:15,040
a a
motion goes to council to approve it. If

515
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:18,440
Wait a minute. Isn't this on a protected
infiltration zone from the source

516
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:22,880
protection committee? Oh, well, we're
going to put down some special

517
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,560
low-impact development, permeable
pavement. It's okay. Don't worry about

518
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:30,400
it. Ain't.
They need to be excluded from site

519
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:35,800
alteration planning. Uh the rest I've
already spoken to. I'm sorry went a few

520
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:41,995
minutes over. I hope you find the
handout helpful for further details.

521
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,015
Thank you very much.
>> [applause]

522
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:53,560
» You're welcome, Andrew. Thank you.
Thank you, Andrew. Uh we have time for a

523
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:57,520
couple of questions if anybody had
anything for uh for Andrew.

524
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,680
All right, behind you, Stephen.

525
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:10,840
Hi, Andrew. I have a question about uh
how many municipalities in Dufferin

526
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,840
County have you presented to?

527
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:18,760
What was the question?
How many municipalities in Dufferin

528
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,400
County have been
uh

529
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,520
has this uh
been received so

530
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:32,400
Um we
We're we're

531
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,880
didn't get to plug our organization very
much. Um we rely tremendously on the

532
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:42,160
fabulous legal and planning resources of
the B's.

533
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Uh Terra Nature, Environmental Defence,
um

534
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Canadian Environmental Law Association.
Those organizations

535
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,280
um
are the leaders in the intellectual

536
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:58,280
capital.
We steal and borrow their stuff.

537
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:04,800
We're different They they don't get
above Highway 7. We have 50 partner

538
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:10,400
organizations north of Highway 7.
So, we we depute when our neighbors call

539
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:17,560
us in. We were in Pickering,
uh we're in Haliburton, we're on Lake

540
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Simcoe, we're in in on the Credit. So,
Halton Region, Peel Region,

541
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,320
uh
Dufferin?

542
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:29,120
No.
We're Dufferin. I always do that. Um

543
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Durham.
Durham. So, we it's just we we I get

544
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:40,400
paid 12 weeks a year.
So, I think we we hit above our batting

545
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:45,560
average. We're we really Our batting
average is above our IQ. Let me say it

546
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:50,440
that way. Um but we we go where
somebody's seeded the ground, we get

547
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,880
called in to help. To to show up at a
council meeting uninvited, they say,

548
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,880
"Well, who's this guy? He doesn't live
here."

549
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:02,960
And then the way it's it would be you'd
be amazed. We deputed to

550
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,680
uh
Muskoka.

551
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,080
And we're on the watershed uh Muskoka
Watershed Council for about a year. And

552
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,520
And we It was like
uh we were like wearing the wrong color

553
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,640
shirt, I tell you. They We We didn't
live there. They didn't want to hear

554
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,640
from us.
So, it's really nice to be invited.

555
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,680
We're happy to be
in a collective effort. Uh we'll funnel

556
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,960
you the stuff we uh beg, borrow, or
steal from the Big East. Uh keep you

557
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:38,000
informed. Make sure policy
recommendations are accurate. But we

558
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:41,480
just don't have the resources to depute
all over the place.

559
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,240
Sorry for the long answer.
Yeah, if you could uh come up here, use

560
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,720
the microphone. Oh, I got a microphone
for you.

561
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:58,280
Thanks for your presentation, Andrew. Uh
it's good to see this happening uh

562
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:03,640
because our our county really really
needs it. And uh have to

563
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,560
examine what we're doing and and plan
better for what's coming up in the

564
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:13,520
future.
Uh I have two questions. One is uh

565
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:17,680
where does water fall in the uh
Charter of Rights and Freedoms in

566
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,680
Canada?

567
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Hello.

568
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:32,280
And while you're thinking about that
>> a movement. Uh you know, the Council of

569
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,320
Canadians has been arguing for years
that um that water is part of the global

570
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:42,240
commons and we have should have a right
to water. But it's it's not made any

571
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,240
progress constitutionally.

572
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:51,240
Wouldn't it make sense if if if it was
included in the Charter of Rights, if we

573
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:56,480
had the right to clean water?
Would it not wouldn't uh a lot of these

574
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:02,640
problems be taken care of or be
addressed.

575
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:07,800
Oh, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus.
Um, are you a journalist? No. Well, good

576
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:14,320
questions and you're taking notes, which
always make me very afraid. Um,

577
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:19,880
so, here's a little bauble that people
might not be aware of. Um, the

578
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:25,320
Constitution separates responsibilities
for the feds and the province. So, the

579
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:30,400
feds have uh international waters,
waters that cross boundaries. Um,

580
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:37,160
so,
uh and and the um the Great Lakes, uh

581
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:40,840
navigable waters, which is where larger,
not your your uh

582
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:46,840
eight horsepower, nine horsepower boat
goes, but navigable waters.

583
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:51,240
Um, and fisheries. That's their
responsibility.

584
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:59,040
They don't have a constitutional
responsibility for watershed management.

585
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:03,400
They Health Canada has obligations to
protect drinking water and they work on

586
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,640
the Interprovincial Council on Drinking
Water through the Canadian Council of

587
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:13,240
Ministers of the Environment in
Winnipeg, uh so that there's some common

588
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:19,320
standards. But, Ontario owns the lake
bed under the Great Lakes, under on our

589
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:26,320
side of the line. The feds don't. Um,
and Ontario is very territorial with

590
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:31,200
respect to its actions or non-actions on
water. Um,

591
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:35,880
under the
under a provincial-federal

592
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,560
agreement, there are huge efforts
underway right now

593
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,080
uh
to address algae in Lake Erie.

594
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:48,240
And um
and so there's one of those committees I

595
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,640
was talking about, there's federal,
provincial, conservation authority,

596
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:58,320
municipalities, farmers' organizations
working on reducing the nitrates to

597
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:02,680
reduce the algae in Lake Erie.
Um and it's a big target for the

598
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,680
International Joint Commission.
There's

599
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,520
there's no written mandate for that
committee.

600
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:14,280
We can't get a list of who from which
agencies are on that committee, and

601
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:18,920
there's no budget for that committee.
We have suggested to the federal

602
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:24,680
government that this
exercise be a model to write watershed

603
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:31,720
management into the agreement that I
mentioned. I didn't do that. Um

604
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:36,800
and so these things move very slowly,
and there's because the province wants

605
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,280
to have control over the water that it's
not protecting,

606
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:45,080
uh these collaboration efforts are
really, really tough. So, it's a good

607
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:49,840
question. I really don't have a a solid
answer for you. I'm sorry. Okay, and

608
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,880
part two has to do with a relatively new
phenomenon,

609
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:59,120
uh and I want to know if it falls in the
same bucket as aggregate, and that is

610
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:03,400
uh data mana- data centers.
And are there do to your knowledge, are

611
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:08,160
there any data centers proposed for
Ontario? And if one is proposed, does it

612
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:14,320
get treated the same way that aggregate
gets treated, and the public has no say?

613
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:21,240
It's too It's too It's too early. Um
there are huge organizations and and um

614
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:26,400
collaboratives in the US um because
they're far more prevalent there, and

615
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,960
they have less water there. Um and and
so our American colleagues are leading

616
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:35,480
the charge on um
against uh

617
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:40,600
these data centers. The big guys, like
Zuckerberg, have pledged that they're

618
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:44,920
not going to take any local energy
to make the energy rates go up. Um so,

619
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:50,480
they're talking about small nuclear
reactors to power their data centers.

620
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Yay, let's do that. Um
and and the other issue is water to cool

621
00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:01,440
um to to cool the
the heat generated by these uh data

622
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:05,000
centers. Um we're not near that here. I
don't know of any data center that's

623
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:09,560
been proposed yet in Ontario. The
concern is the 700 acres that is being

624
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,280
ex-
um

625
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:19,880
What is that legal term? Expropriated?
in Wilmot County. All prime agricultural

626
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:23,280
land, 700 acres, and the town says the
province wants it. The province says,

627
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:28,960
"No, no, the town wants it for
employment." Nobody knows what it's for.

628
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:35,480
Is it a Chrysler EV plant?
Is it another Amazon warehouse?

629
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:42,120
Is it data centers? Nobody knows. And
what's going on in Wilmot County, it's

630
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:47,880
so bad and it ties into um the Waterloo
water shortage because within the last

631
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:54,000
couple of weeks, Waterloo canceled its
1981 agreement with Wilmot County that

632
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,840
it would never come and take any of
Wilmot County's water.

633
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Now with the water moratorium and they
need water, they have ripped that they

634
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:06,160
have informed Wilmot County that that
agreement is null and void. So we're

635
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:10,360
waiting for the next shoe to drop.
Really good questions. These things are

636
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,480
unfolding in real time. Elaine, did you
have comment?

637
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:22,920
One comment and then one quick question.
So I may be misremembering this, but I

638
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:27,640
thought that water was declared a human
right at the UN.

639
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,680
I wish I could answer that. Well, I'm
just putting that out there so we can

640
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:42,520
all look it up on Google. Anyway, but I
I I did think that that was the case.

641
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:46,920
Um also, my question is
because all the hydrologists that come

642
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:51,280
and tell us that drilling below the
water table is no big deal, take all the

643
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:55,880
cap off the water and nothing's going to
happen.

644
00:53:52,960 --> 00:54:01,640
Is that true? What is the impact to the
water after you take all the gravel away

645
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:06,040
and just have a big open
pond?

646
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,040
Thank you.

647
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Tough crowd.

648
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,720
There

649
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:18,880
So, the first thing I would say is that
um

650
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:23,880
part of this goes back to the Wellington
Water Watchers and the the big battle

651
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:32,200
they had up there with um
Nestlé and their water bottling plant.

652
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:37,320
Um and uh it it gets into two things.
At what level

653
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:40,720
at what depth is is the groundwater?
Um and Nestlé was maintaining that they

654
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,560
were down
like 600 ft.

655
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:49,360
That they weren't taking water from the
near surface aquifers that the town was

656
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,440
going to be using.
Um and they were so, you know, it was

657
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,000
the largest number of submissions on the
environmental registry of Ontario ever

658
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:03,440
at that point in time. People wanted
them out and Nestlé sold their plant and

659
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:07,640
left. Um and they felt that it was a
lack of science knowledge by the

660
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:12,320
community. It was misinformation and
political campaigning. That's their

661
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:16,240
position. The other thing that I was
working with the Wellington Water

662
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:20,320
Watchers and I I asked them, "W- What's
the What's the discharge What's the

663
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:25,200
drawdown?
And what's the recharge rate?"

664
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,800
They They had no idea.
And so, that's why it's so important to

665
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,720
do the monitoring. That's why what's
happened in Waterloo is a crime. They're

666
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,400
supposed to do the monitoring. They
should know the recharge rate and the

667
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,760
withdrawal rate. And you you say, "Well,
we'll have water for 30 years or we have

668
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:45,320
water for 12 months. Nobody's allowed to
water their grass anymore." Right? And

669
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:52,800
that didn't happen there. So, the the
question of Now, but but aggregate pits

670
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:57,520
don't necessarily flow to
municipal reservoirs.

671
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:02,800
Aggregate quarries,
uh a lot of that water

672
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,200
goes into back into the If it's on the
Niagara Escarpment, for example,

673
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Dufferin The Dufferin pit, when you
drive on the 401, you see the bridge

674
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:14,880
through the broken gap in the
escarpment, um they

675
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,840
That's on dolomite. It's fractured
dolomite. Horrendous recharge rate.

676
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:23,400
That's why those rivers are still cold
water streams with cold water fishing.

677
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:28,840
Because of that. So, what they're doing
is they have 27 pumps. They pump the

678
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:34,240
water back underground.
Um so, where is the Where does the water

679
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:38,200
go? Um Those
issues need to be mapped, and

680
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:42,080
groundwater is really difficult to map.
Um

681
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:46,800
Uh but so, there needs to be a better
job of saying, "Well, what is the risk?"

682
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,440
If we don't know the risk, we need to We
need to make rules based on the risk.

683
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:58,440
But, one of the challenges in the
aggregate is that it's fire and forget.

684
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:02,600
If If you are on a well, and a new pit
goes in or a pit gets expanded, and

685
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:07,840
suddenly you've got to drill another 100
ft for water,

686
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:11,000
and you want to think what maybe has
something to do with the expansion of

687
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:15,160
this pit,
it's on you.

688
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:20,440
You have to hire a hydrogeologist. You
have to pay for the studies. You have to

689
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:25,920
prove why the water table dropped, and
it was related to their activities over

690
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:30,720
there. And so, this reverse onus, that's
like guilty until proven innocent.

691
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:35,480
Right? And And so, the aggregate pits
are getting away with a lot of

692
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:39,680
activity without the science and without
the responsibility. And and I just think

693
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,600
they need to be more responsible human
beings than than they are now.

694
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:47,040
Currently, there's a
uh there's a huge more

695
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:51,560
couple of organizations are demanding a
moratorium on any new gravel pits

696
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:57,040
opening in Ontario.
We think that's a bit extreme. We just

697
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:02,560
think that you should open no aggregate
pits below the water table.

698
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:05,600
So, but they don't like our suggestion.
Okay, I'm going to have to call it

699
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,520
there. We've got 2 minutes for our
coffee break. Just a warning very

700
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,360
quickly, the UN declared water a human
right in 2010.

701
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:19,160
There you go.
Quick fast uh breaking news. Bonus. Um

702
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,440
Andrew, thank you again. Folks, we have
5 minutes for coffee, then we're going

703
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,200
to come back here for the rest of the
program.

704
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Fantastic.

705
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,920
» Mhm.

706
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,920
» Mhm.

707
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,920
» Mhm.

708
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,400
» Hear me now?
>> [laughter]

709
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,480
» Okay. So,
um

710
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:24,560
My name is Cherish Armstrong, and I come
to you as a member of the town's climate

711
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:29,000
action committee.
This committee was formed in December of

712
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:33,280
2025 at the direction of council to
guide the implementation of the town's

713
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:37,840
climate action initiatives.
Due to some unfortunate bad luck and

714
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:42,080
some even worse weather, we finally had
our inaugural meeting at the end of

715
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:46,960
March. The committee hopes to continue
the tradition that the town of Mono has

716
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:52,280
had in trying to mitigate the effects of
the emissions that cause climate change.

717
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:57,040
All the lights in this building, and as
all of Mono's buildings, are LED. We've

718
01:07:54,760 --> 01:08:01,120
installed solar panels on the top of the
public works building, and the town has

719
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:05,240
just ordered its first electric pickup
truck.

720
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:09,520
We've identified our initial project as
areas and assigned them to

721
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:14,360
subcommittees. These project areas are
public education campaigns, options for

722
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:18,759
green energy production like solar
panels for the municipality and private

723
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:24,080
residents, agriculture and home
gardening initiatives, and an updated

724
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:26,759
energy audit. These are ideas identified
as

725
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:31,640
by committee members for the initial
work for the climate action committee.

726
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:35,720
Members of the public are always welcome
to attend meetings and join

727
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:41,200
subcommittees to help in this important
work. Solving climate change requires us

728
01:08:38,759 --> 01:08:45,240
all to work together. But, in honor of
Earth Day next week, I personally would

729
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:50,359
like to encourage you to do whatever you
can because every little bit helps.

730
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,920
Whether it's carrying a reusable coffee
cup, getting the kids involved in

731
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,880
recycling as much as you can, or
investigating the possibilities of

732
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:03,040
switching your heating and cooling
systems in your home, your actions add

733
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,040
up in the long run. Thank you.

734
01:09:03,577 --> 01:09:06,640
» [applause]
>> Thanks, Chair.

735
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:14,799
Thank you, Chair, for that. Okay, it's
time for the main event. It is your

736
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:18,680
opportunity to ask questions of your
council.

737
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:23,839
Um I would ask that you use a microphone
so that to everyone can hear you. Uh you

738
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:29,400
state your name and to at least to start
off, if I could ask just one question to

739
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:32,640
per participant and then we can uh make
sure that we hear from all who wish to

740
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:37,759
uh
seek some answers.

741
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:41,040
Do I have anybody coming to the on at
bat circle? Here we go.

742
01:09:44,839 --> 01:09:52,799
Hi, my name is Marion Heron. I live in
uh on Blind Line.

743
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:56,360
Um my question is always not always. Uh
I'm interested in water and so I really

744
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,880
enjoyed this presentation. So, thank
you.

745
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:04,680
Um I'm wondering about Watermark the
development there. Uh

746
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:10,280
one, the water treatment plant
when the when the it was built, they had

747
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:14,640
problems with the water treatment and I
wondered if that's been finalized,

748
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:19,320
finished, and is it now working okay so
there's not trucks going back and forth

749
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:24,680
with effluent problems?
And the part of the uh what is happening

750
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:29,040
to the land use? The developer wanted to
put a lot of townhouses in there and I

751
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:34,200
haven't heard anything about what's
happening to that land and what happened

752
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:37,920
when it went to the tribunal or some
review by the Ontario government and I

753
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:43,760
haven't heard anything more about what's
happening to that land.

754
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:43,760
So, it's a two-part question.

755
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,920
Could we just clarify, Marion, are you
asking about the water treatment plant

756
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,840
or the sewage treatment plant?
>> Sorry, sewage treatment plant. Forgive

757
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:58,320
me. Yeah.
I'm I'm the best person to speak to

758
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,520
that. I know they're working very hard
to fix the There are problems. But she's

759
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,560
talking about water.
>> The the

760
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:10,080
Oh, the Watermark one.
They're all They're all

761
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:13,400
The water The Watermark one? Yes. Well,
I think there's still problems there. I

762
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:19,440
haven't heard I mean, that's owned by a
condo organization, not by the town. So,

763
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:23,720
there's no cost to the town on that.
No, okay.

764
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:27,960
Eric Grielman? [clears throat]
Um as far as I know, the Watermark plant

765
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:33,640
is functioning.
Um you will always have some truck

766
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:38,200
movements because
it needs to be cleaned out every once in

767
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:41,880
a while apart from you know, the simple
operation.

768
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:48,160
Uh as for the
the developers' land, uh we were

769
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:53,880
successful in in getting that before
both the Ontario Land Tribunal as well

770
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:59,560
as the Superior Court. I would say that
it is in limbo at the present time. Uh

771
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:05,440
there's nothing to report,
but the plan that they submitted to the

772
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:11,480
town of of Mono was found to be
questionable in our in our view, and we

773
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:17,480
went to the Ontario Land Tribunal, and
it also peeled off to the Superior

774
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,480
Court, and we won in both venues.

775
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:29,360
Do I have to press something? I don't
think so. Okay. It's magic. Uh Signy

776
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:33,080
Ball from Mono Waste Centre. Um
about I

777
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:36,960
Well, let me preface by saying I have
driven through Caledon recently a fair

778
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,480
bit
and been

779
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:45,240
pretty horrified by the houses
monster homes that are going up there

780
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:48,080
sitting on the side of the road
sprinkled [clears throat] all through

781
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:53,440
the town.
Three years ago, Mono discussed

782
01:12:54,120 --> 01:13:04,720
figuring out how to manage monster homes
in our town,

783
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:10,080
um including sightlines, setbacks,
maximum square footages,

784
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:16,000
and also possibly lowering the minimum
square footage on other homes.

785
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,600
So, I'm just wondering where that might
stand.

786
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:29,800
What a great question. In fact, I raised
this at our own council meeting just

787
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:34,600
this week. So, we have on our unfinished
business list, which is a list of items

788
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:38,600
that we've brought forward at the table,
and that we've needed to assign to

789
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:43,880
staff, and staff have all their other
duties to do, and then we come up with

790
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:46,840
these brilliant ideas. And so, there is
an outstanding,

791
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:55,440
um
item to review and create a large homes

792
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:59,760
bylaw. So, that is
being worked on. And now, I don't have

793
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:04,120
the dates in front of me to say, but it
will be um

794
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:08,440
in the coming up quarter, I I believe.
So, it's with our planning group.

795
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:12,520
And so, they're looking at where does
that belong in our official plan and in

796
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:16,760
our zoning bylaws, and it's it's
complicated. Um

797
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:21,720
and so, they're working on that. So,
it's it's it's there, and it's on my

798
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:25,440
radar, and our radar. So, thank you for
that question.

799
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,840
Councilor Mantello?
Uh thank you, Elaine. And in further,

800
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:35,120
the uh actually, we did get a a plan,
which was presented to us Sydney,

801
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:39,920
and um we didn't like it, so it's been
sent back, and we're asking for them to

802
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:44,200
redo it again.
In all fairness, that was from a

803
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:49,240
previous planner, and it was a while
ago, and it wasn't what we were looking

804
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:53,520
for. So, now it is back with planning to
come back with

805
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:58,520
we gave them more direction. So, yes,
that's correct.

806
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:02,600
We have a question that came in online
just prior to the meeting from Jacob

807
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:06,400
Bennington.
Does the town have a program for

808
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:10,640
managing invasive phragmites in the
area? If not, is the town aware that

809
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:15,800
there is funding by the MNR through the
Ontario phragmites action program to

810
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:21,600
support new existing initiatives to
prevent, manage, and control this

811
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:24,040
invasive species?
Councilor Nix.

812
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,880
Um
Okay,

813
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:31,360
the answer is is multi-layered. We we
have a volunteer committee called the

814
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:36,680
Headwater Streams Committee. Karen
Morrison back there is the chair. We do

815
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:40,240
a bit of work on phragmites. It's total
volunteer labor.

816
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:43,000
Uh if someone's got phragmites on their
property,

817
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:47,080
we can go out there
and show them how to remove it or help

818
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:50,680
them remove it. We we've tried it in
several locations.

819
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:55,000
Backing up a few years earlier than
this, and I'm not sure it's still in the

820
01:15:52,040 --> 01:16:00,360
budget, we did have
uh some money in our municipal budget to

821
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:04,760
look at phragmites in our in a few of
our um stormwater management ponds and

822
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:09,280
ditches. I'm not sure that's still
running. We did it the same year the

823
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:14,360
county was trying to handle phragmites.
On a broader scale, and I sit on the

824
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:19,720
board of Credit Valley Conservation,
um we did put in a request for a grant,

825
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,640
uh fairly large grant for a 5-year
program to handle phragmites at Island

826
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:28,120
Lake.
Um it it's serious at Island Lake. We've

827
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:32,600
mapped it. We have a management plan,
but we didn't get the grant. So, uh we

828
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:36,400
don't have any
we being the CVC, Credit Valley

829
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:41,880
Conservation, doesn't have any sort of
spare change itself that it can spend on

830
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:46,040
phragmites. It it I'm going on memory. I
think we needed

831
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:49,960
Yeah, don't quote me on this. Half a
million dollars for a 5-year program to

832
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:53,000
handle the phragmites at Island Lake. I
think it was half half a million.

833
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,240
Anyway, we didn't we didn't get the
grant. We'll keep trying though.

834
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:07,760
Can't hear you on the recording if we
don't. All right. Okay. Hi. I know most

835
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:12,080
of you.
Um just a quick question. What are your

836
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:17,520
council doing to support Melancthon
council with the strata aggregates Corey

837
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,520
situation?

838
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,320
Mayor Gilman?

839
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:30,560
Uh we're very aware of the the threat
that Melancthon is under and in fact

840
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:38,360
adjacent municipalities are under with
proposal to mine beneath the the the

841
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:43,080
water table. Um explosively mine, not
simply dig.

842
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:46,400
Uh we have supported them with a motion.
We've talked about it at county council

843
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:51,560
as well.
Uh it's it's truly truly disturbing,

844
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:55,480
frankly. And Melancthon has been through
a lot.

845
01:17:52,920 --> 01:18:00,280
This isn't this isn't the the first
proposal. There was one a number of

846
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:05,040
years ago uh by a hedge fund out of
Boston to create a mega mega gravel pit

847
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:10,560
up there.
Uh they had the effect of buying

848
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:15,040
properties, tearing houses down,
destroying the assessment base,

849
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:18,040
and then they were chased out of out of
town.

850
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:22,760
Uh Just so you know, I'm sorry to
interrupt. We chased them out of town.

851
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:29,240
We chased them out of town because of a
federal environment assessment. Yes. So,

852
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:34,120
my question to you guys is and to
everyone, the province isn't going to

853
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:38,960
help with this. If anyone has
connections

854
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:45,280
or please write. Carney's office is very
good in supporting me and fisheries and

855
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:50,600
Kyle. I'm I'm not I'm looking at the
people, not the party. Okay? Um

856
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:56,600
I would really appreciate everyone in
this room writing Carney's office about

857
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:59,920
the situation and fisheries and Kyle.
I'm sorry to interject.

858
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Perhaps the premier could fly in on his
new jet.

859
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:08,840
Well, actually I I just want to May I
just

860
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,840
tell my quick story? [laughter]
So, Doug Ford called me on a Sunday

861
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:18,760
morning
and said he doesn't make deals, De

862
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:22,280
Gasperis is not his friend, and asked
who our MPP was.

863
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,320
Okay. Thank you.

864
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:29,960
Nancy, could I just add to that?
>> Oh, yeah.

865
01:19:29,764 --> 01:19:34,000
» [laughter]
>> Could I just add to that answer what

866
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:39,320
Nancy said? Going back to the mega pit
that we defeated 10 Corey 10 years ago.

867
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:43,680
Here's the difference and and Andrew,
you you're probably aware of this.

868
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:47,400
Under the old rules, the lead agency
there in terms of getting the study the

869
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:52,360
technical studies that were done and
having them peer reviewed was the

870
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,000
conservation authority, the NVCA.
Today,

871
01:19:53,720 --> 01:20:00,280
conservation authorities don't have that
power. At Credit Valley, we're facing a

872
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:03,760
very giant pit that and we as a
conservation authority

873
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,760
don't even have a say. We do we we are
not even a commenting agency on on that

874
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:11,120
one because the province has taken away
our power to talk to talk to

875
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,680
municipalities about natural heritage
features.

876
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:23,840
All right, we've got a couple of
questions that

877
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:28,320
MC Squared came up with over time. Um is
council planning some evening council

878
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:34,120
meetings to facilitate our large
commuting population to participate in

879
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:37,800
council affairs in person.
Anyone like to

880
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:43,080
Councilor Maglone? I'll answer that
because I'm sort of responsible for

881
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:47,200
initiating the change about 8 years ago
or so.

882
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:50,080
Nobody was coming in the evening.
So

883
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,960
we had a number of blurry-eyed
counselors and others

884
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:57,480
that
were felt they could deal with their

885
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:01,240
their brain would be functioning better
in the morning and we've gone to

886
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:04,720
mornings for that reason.
The recognize what you're saying but the

887
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:10,000
other thing that we've done which I
think is really quite fantastic is that

888
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:13,280
all of our meetings are
on YouTube.

889
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:16,440
And the meetings are itemized so that
you can go in and you can pick out item

890
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,920
number seven sort of thing click on it
without having to listen to everything.

891
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:24,320
And you can do that anytime that you
want and that's the way a lot of people

892
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,600
are picking up on our council meetings
now.

893
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:35,080
Thank you very much. I was just going to
add to that that yes you brought it up.

894
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:39,400
When I joined we were doing them
afternoon and morning through and then

895
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,960
looking at how who's coming. This is
terrific that you're all here today but

896
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:46,160
you guys don't come on Tuesdays whether
it was in the evening or in the morning

897
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:51,680
because it's Tuesday right? Like there's
everybody's got stuff to do. So at the

898
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:56,120
same time that that we we said there
were there weren't enough people and

899
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:59,560
what when do we as a as a group
function? Of course the staff you have

900
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:02,600
to if they're here in the evening then
you get them they're in loose so then

901
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,360
they're not going to be here on a
Wednesday afternoon when you need them

902
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:11,200
cuz we've had to give them time off. So
we there was a lot of reasons but it was

903
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:17,440
also because of the of this electronic
world that we live in now that we could

904
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:21,360
have them on the not only is it recorded
and you can look at it later which

905
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:25,520
without question generates questions
from the public. We get we we get a lot

906
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:32,000
of emails from people saying I just
watched the meeting Here's my question.

907
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:37,480
Um and and also the the um being able to
phone in and participate or computer in

908
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,480
and and participate during even if
you're at work. So many people work from

909
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:44,640
home and so they can be using their
computer and so on. So I think certainly

910
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:49,840
there's a new council coming. I guess I
I would be open I'd be open between now

911
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:55,520
and and the end of this term to to
entertain trying a trying again just in

912
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:59,680
the spirit of the question, but um
it's not it's not necessarily going to

913
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:03,560
get more people out I don't think by the
the time of day. It's more getting the

914
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:08,520
information of what's going to be
discussed and what has been discussed

915
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:12,760
out to the public.
Mr. Truman? Oh. I was just going to say

916
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:18,200
that we did reserve the right to hold
night time meetings on uh particularly

917
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:22,680
contentious issues. And uh we have done
that uh notwithstanding the fact that uh

918
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:27,080
vast [snorts] majority of our meetings
have been held during the day. I'm open

919
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:33,000
to the idea of uh the new council
reconsidering and uh anyone considering

920
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:38,280
a run for a a seat on Mono Council
should be aware that the status quo

921
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,280
could change.

922
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:46,000
I'm just going to be a little bit cheeky
here.

923
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:49,840
How many of you will come if we host the
meeting on Tuesday nights?

924
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,840
Depends on the agenda.
Well, yes, true. We we need to make the

925
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:01,040
agenda exciting, but I just wanted to
ask you that. And I just wanted to let

926
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:07,560
you know I'm wearing my sunglasses
because I have a sensitivity to these

927
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:11,320
lights. So it's not cuz I'm blurry-eyed.
I'm cool. This is cool.

928
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:15,280
I'm cool.
Bill Monroe.

929
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:19,560
I object to Councillor Mike Tulo saying
there were bleary-eyed people at the

930
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:25,000
meetings. I used to come and I was
you know, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

931
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,360
He us council members, so just to be
clear.

932
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:32,280
Well, that's taken for granted, isn't it
really?

933
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:35,920
I'd like to talk about water actually,
but in a different sense.

934
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:40,520
Uh
a few years ago there was a report from

935
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:47,160
Watson about the drinking water in
Cardinal Woods and Master's Creek.

936
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:52,080
And as a result the costs per month to
those who use it went up

937
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:57,840
quite high, not dollar wise, but
percentage wise. And it was to pay for

938
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:01,520
a few things. One of them was a
an arsenic

939
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:05,960
problem at Island Lake.
And the other thing was a tower round

940
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:11,880
about Cardinal Woods. And these things
cost something like 10 millions each.

941
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:15,760
This money that's been paid in
from the people who use it

942
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:21,480
every month.
I haven't seen any

943
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:25,960
tenders out for the the tower or the
the arsenic plant.

944
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:30,440
Is the money put in a
another account? It doesn't go straight

945
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:35,680
into the general account. And when are
we going to get movement on the arsenic

946
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:38,920
plant and the tower? Because every year
you put it back, it's going to cost

947
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,320
more.
Thank you.

948
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:50,400
If I can If I can, Bill. Um
Uh our our water rates as well as our

949
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:54,240
sewage rates uh over in uh
uh the other part of the part of the

950
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:59,280
town, those those monies collected are
segregated. Uh it's a user pay system.

951
01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:04,840
And some of the money that is collected
goes into a reserve for future works.

952
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:11,240
And uh the rest goes into the operation
of the system so that the uh taxpayer uh

953
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:16,480
does not actually uh fund the operation
of water and or sewage. It's the users

954
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:20,240
who in fact are responsible for those
costs.

955
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:25,760
Uh as for the the tower, uh that was a
suggestion of the ministry.

956
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:30,400
I am not personally convinced that we
need that kind of storage given the fact

957
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:35,760
that there's very little growth
anticipated over in that part of the

958
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:42,480
town. And for the arsenic, there is a
study ongoing or a process ongoing that

959
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:45,480
will give us a series of recommendations
to consider as to how we proceed with

960
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:49,520
that.
And and Bill, that study on the arsenic

961
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:56,000
that's going forward. We got a grant to
cover that. So, the the water users are

962
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:58,560
not paying for that. We We did get a
grant.

963
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:13,080
But it was a good size grant. I forget
the exact amount.

964
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:23,040
Okay.
Excuse me, just one more question. You

965
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:28,000
know, actually talking this rhetoric.
User pay for the water, that's great.

966
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,840
What about user pay for the calcium when
you don't use it?

967
01:27:31,850 --> 01:27:35,180
» [snorts]
[clears throat]

968
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:44,280
» Hi, Elaine Kehoe.
Um

969
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:46,880
when are we going to have a heritage
committee?

970
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:58,720
Um I can answer that. Uh next term.
We've got We just recently in this past

971
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:05,600
meeting
made a motion to support extend which it

972
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:09,480
hasn't particularly happened for sure,
but to support the the drive for the

973
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:14,480
heritage committee was that the our new
government has made

974
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:21,280
changes to the um
ability to designate and the timing on

975
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:27,800
that. And they there is a a push to um
push that date out to 2030 as opposed to

976
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:31,640
2020 eight, I think it was 2027 or 28.
So, right?

977
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,680
Yeah, 2030 is the new one, but I mean I
think it were we were only pushing it a

978
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:38,360
little bit, but we were pushing it
nonetheless.

979
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:42,000
Somebody's got their hand up.
A- A- And did you did you want to

980
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:47,840
interrupt her with or for another
question? So, so that the um there's

981
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:51,960
time to for us to constitute because as
we had Cherish come this morning and and

982
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:56,960
make a comment, I'm sure she's here, I
just can't see her. Oh, there you are.

983
01:28:53,560 --> 01:29:00,200
Um the that um that we struck a struck a
new we get an idea to have a new

984
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:03,800
committee, we strike the new committee,
we interview and everything, but the

985
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:07,800
actual, you know, takes weeks to get
things off the ground. We're we're

986
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:11,120
running very short, which is uh you
know, it's going to be campaigning time

987
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:15,920
soon. So, it'll be next year, but
there's no question but that Mono needs

988
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:19,600
a heritage committee and we've could
because we've got a lot of more good

989
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:24,200
work to do that that committee was
doing.

990
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:31,040
Just if I could add to that.
We had the best heritage committee I

991
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:37,280
know in Dufferin County and probably
beyond our borders and they were

992
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:42,440
well-known in other areas for all the
great work that they did.

993
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:46,200
And we went into an unfortunate
situation

994
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:48,320
and right now we don't have the heritage
committee,

995
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:55,920
um
but as Melinda said, we did support uh

996
01:29:52,680 --> 01:30:02,760
the argument to push to 2030
for moving any

997
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:07,400
properties that are on a registry cuz we
we have a registry that lists all of the

998
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:12,640
potential designations that we could
make and there are quite a few on that

999
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:18,240
list but there wasn't enough time to
allow any of those designations to go

1000
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:25,000
forward because of the change in the
policy downtown. And so now that's been

1001
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:31,440
pushed out so we supported that
with the hope that with a new council

1002
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:36,640
when the new council is here that the
heritage committee will be

1003
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,640
reconstituted.

1004
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:44,320
Clarification also on how committees
work that all committees are struck by

1005
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:49,440
the council when a new council comes in
for the idea that they'll be around for

1006
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:52,520
that term and even if everything was all
hunky-dory and all the all the people

1007
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,880
want to be on the committee that's not
necessarily that the new council's going

1008
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,480
to going to
strike those same committees or strike

1009
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:02,280
the same and or
populate them with the same people,

1010
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:06,360
right? It is a
it is a beast of the of the

1011
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:09,920
sitting council.
So.

1012
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:14,760
And the second part of that,
approximately a year and a half ago

1013
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:21,440
myself and another realtor in the area
spent a substantial amount of time

1014
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:27,680
putting together guidelines for realtors
as a whole Toronto, Dufferin Caledon

1015
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:32,720
with guidelines that they would use when
selling properties in different county.

1016
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:37,680
Nothing ever came of that, at least
nothing that the Toronto Real Estate

1017
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:41,800
Board has been advised of.
And now without the heritage committee,

1018
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:46,720
I've been getting comments that this is
the time to buy in Mono

1019
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:50,720
and there's no rules in place. I know
that there are rules, don't get me

1020
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:56,480
wrong. I'm just hearing comments to that
effect. So

1021
01:31:53,200 --> 01:32:01,960
was anything ever implemented with the
guidelines that we had set out?

1022
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:06,720
And I want to if I could because I was
part of that

1023
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:13,800
group and and appreciate the work that
you did and that another realtor did for

1024
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:18,680
that and it is on our website and Andrew
can confirm that I hope.

1025
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:23,760
Yes, yes, and yes.
And did we take the next steps

1026
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:28,280
to distribute
to because I know you kindly provided us

1027
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:32,720
the list.
I can't answer that question. I would

1028
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,840
have to go back to
check on that for you.

1029
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:45,840
There ended up being some some issues
with respect to how the town is entitled

1030
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:48,400
to to broadcast things out
right which is why we don't have a

1031
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,520
Facebook group and all those kinds of
things. There's there's regulations. So

1032
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:58,680
I know that it's on our on our website
for our local realtors, but you're

1033
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:03,320
right. If you get a realtor coming up
from someplace else who's not

1034
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:08,520
particularly looking few pages deep into
our

1035
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:13,280
website then then we've it appears to be
for not but no but

1036
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:17,200
yes, we'll have to look into how to
bring

1037
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:22,200
bring that up to the to the front of our
of our website

1038
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:26,240
and and that the problem with Council is
of course Council can direct staff to do

1039
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:29,600
things but then we don't always we don't
always get back from staff. So we'll

1040
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:34,880
have to find out that whether it's
possible to send that to the realtor

1041
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:40,680
board. Thank you. Right. Thank you
Melinda and so

1042
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:46,080
we will look into
where that went from the suggestions

1043
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:52,960
that were made by that group
to put forward that document out into

1044
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:57,320
the real estate world and we'll we'll
get

1045
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:02,360
an answer.
I think I think our CAO may be able to

1046
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,560
um elaborate on the issue of whether we
did uh disseminate that

1047
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:11,040
that document. The document was created
and it has been put on the website. I

1048
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:17,200
just say that we get phone calls every
single day from realtors

1049
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:23,920
uh on behalf of uh clients uh in in the
uh form of a due diligence inquiry uh

1050
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:28,840
with regard to a property. Um and we try
to answer those questions as best we

1051
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:32,760
can. Uh sometimes we don't get those
calls because people think they can

1052
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:36,280
shortcut that process with a title
insurance. That is not a wise thing to

1053
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:41,400
do.
Uh but uh we we do our best to inform

1054
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:47,240
potential buyers of uh
what the um uh the rules of engagement

1055
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,240
are in the town of Mono.

1056
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:52,760
Sorry, Your Worship. I have my mic on
because of feedback.

1057
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:57,720
It's controlling the feedback a little
bit uh but yes, we do push all real

1058
01:34:54,840 --> 01:35:04,320
estate to our website. Um we do have a
process now um where everybody can uh

1059
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:09,120
can uh put in a service request to uh to
get on the list of of the many questions

1060
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:13,400
that we do receive and uh and it seems
to be working fine. Um but yes, and we

1061
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:17,680
do have a lot of counter inquiries as
well and those would include uh Mono

1062
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:22,720
Plus, not so much Mono, but uh yeah,
they are out of uh out of boundary uh

1063
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:26,720
real estate uh properties and uh and we
find uh that generally

1064
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:29,520
uh they're they're getting answers
pretty quickly.

1065
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:37,360
Hello, I'm from South 25 Sideroad.
Um

1066
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:42,280
just a
comment before my question. It uh really

1067
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:47,600
I hopefully there'll be a DEI committee
next term as well as a heritage

1068
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:52,320
committee. I just wanted to maybe
uh ask that the heritage committee talk

1069
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:57,560
to the DEI committee so that the
heritage of Aboriginals may be

1070
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:02,480
considered within the scope of the
mandate of the heritage committee. That

1071
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:10,400
was my one comment.
My question is more concerning water. Um

1072
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:18,920
Is there any
policy within Mono to address

1073
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:24,400
agricultural infiltration or runoff?
Um especially people who may

1074
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:31,720
lease out their land to farmers who then
get a tax break for doing that.

1075
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:35,680
Maybe a farmer might I would say exploit
the land for their own usage and

1076
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:39,040
revenue.
And then

1077
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:44,560
um
then there might be this um

1078
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:47,920
synthetic fertilizer or high tillage
rate that would then affect the soil

1079
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:53,120
that that would
then would affect the water.

1080
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:58,680
So, my question is is there any policy
within Mono that addresses that at all?

1081
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,680
Thank you.

1082
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:05,520
I'm I'm
not aware of any policy. I mean

1083
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,840
and I know of one situation now where
I'm pretty sure a particular farmer

1084
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:13,200
has a manure storage site that's too
close to a stream

1085
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:16,640
that's causing problems downstream, but
I know of no

1086
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:21,080
power that the town has
and I'm not aware of any town that the

1087
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:25,320
conservation authority has
to do anything about it. We can say

1088
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:32,080
tisk tisk that you shouldn't do that,
but I I'm not aware of any policy

1089
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:35,960
or regulatory powers that exist if a
farmer wants to till too close to a

1090
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:41,600
stream or till too much or use too much
fertilizer or spread septic on a on a

1091
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:44,120
it's it's it's it can be a problem. I I
agree.

1092
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:47,840
Well can I ask you Yeah, just

1093
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,720
What about the drainage superintendent?

1094
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:58,360
So, drainage superintendent would only
be called in as far as I know where we

1095
01:37:56,200 --> 01:38:02,760
have a municipal drain and we've only
got

1096
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:07,320
three or four municipal drains in the
town of Mono. One of them

1097
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:11,920
by the way is Yeah, it's going to be
cleaned out. I don't know if the

1098
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:16,600
drainage superintendent has the power
to tell a farmer to

1099
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:20,280
uh to keep you know, x number of meters
away from the municipal drain. You You

1100
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:24,400
probably
know more about that than I do, but uh

1101
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:29,280
I mean
conservation authorities have the power

1102
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:33,240
to limit development within
30 m of a provincially significant

1103
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:36,880
wetland. So, if it's a provincially
significant wetland, but that's only

1104
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:40,640
development. That's not stopping a
farmer from from plowing right up to the

1105
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:46,240
edge of the stream or quite frankly
right into the stream. I Andrew, you may

1106
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:46,240
know more about this than I do.

1107
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:53,720
No, but I don't want to open the time.
Sorry.

1108
01:38:50,560 --> 01:39:00,440
Um I think it's a large subject. Um
there are regional

1109
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:02,960
individual superintendents and there are
um

1110
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:08,440
collections of the drainage
superintendents of Ontario that do

1111
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:13,560
proactive programming on keeping fencing
the cattle out of the streams, uh having

1112
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:18,040
a buffer to the stream, um and that
water's got to go somewhere and

1113
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:21,720
eventually it might end up in something
that's part of their mandate with

1114
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:25,840
respect to washing out a culvert under a
main tra- uh artery. So, there are

1115
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:30,560
creative ways that the drainage
superintendents might become an ally,

1116
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:35,400
but it's it's like in Simcoe County,
they're very proactive. Uh Holland

1117
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:38,800
Marsh, they're very proactive, but I
think it's very regional. It's It's just

1118
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:44,560
It's an asset that you might want to
make an inquiry about.

1119
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:49,240
Thank you. I If I can, uh my family has
been leasing land for farming for over

1120
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:54,000
70 years now.
And we are very careful and I know

1121
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:59,560
others are very careful to specify what
can and cannot be done on that land. We

1122
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:04,280
for instance have said we don't want
soybeans.

1123
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:10,600
Winter wheat's great, oats are great.
But we have some control over what kind

1124
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:15,120
of farming goes on on that
20-acre parcel.

1125
01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:19,760
And I would encourage landowners to to
do the same thing. They don't always.

1126
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:24,240
Very frequently they just
have a an agreement that their laneway

1127
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:27,720
gets plowed out
frequently and then return for that the

1128
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:31,400
farmer can do anything they want. I
think those days should be over.

1129
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:42,000
I think the OFA also has programs.
The Ontario Farming Association cuz I

1130
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:47,720
know I have one of those signs on my
property because we were careful about

1131
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:52,320
riparian
setback around the the creek and the

1132
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:56,120
manure pile being set back away from
running into the creek.

1133
01:40:54,200 --> 01:41:01,360
And so
most

1134
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:07,560
farmers, good farmers will have an OFA
certificate and by doing that there's

1135
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:13,800
programs that are run through different
agencies to educate people on what goes

1136
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:17,840
on to those lands. But we do all know
that

1137
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:22,640
mass production
and massive yield are the priority to

1138
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:26,560
make massive money
and that impacts the bee

1139
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:30,680
population
and then that impacts us and there's a

1140
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:34,920
statistic that I don't have off the top
of my head, but after all the bees are

1141
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:40,560
dead
within about 7 days the planet will be

1142
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:44,600
gone. Like it's it's really
like

1143
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:48,080
crazy this number, but we do need to
take care of those things, so.

1144
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:56,080
I think it's provincial jurisdiction,
not municipal, but I will I'll look it

1145
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:59,240
pretty sure, but I'll
look it up and get back to you.

1146
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:06,840
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Karen. Um

1147
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:10,840
Municipal drains are an interesting
thing

1148
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:17,920
because some they're not all equal, and
so I do wonder if they're even needed if

1149
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:21,720
we allow significant riparian and buffer
zones

1150
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:25,680
around where water drains to happen
naturally

1151
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:30,200
instead of channeling it
cleaning it out with

1152
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:34,280
big equipment that goes in and rips out
everything. It's it's not selective.

1153
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:39,880
It's not fine surgery where they just go
in and just do the drain, but they need

1154
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:43,480
zones on either side to actually clean
the drains, so

1155
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:49,480
you know, I like Andrew's thing about,
you know, land use, focusing on water

1156
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:54,600
first because maybe the education then
can be the importance of these zones

1157
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:59,240
to prevent um
having these drains

1158
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,520
you know, maybe we need some, do we need
all of them?

1159
01:43:00,651 --> 01:43:06,040
» [clears throat]
>> The cost of cleaning out a drain, the

1160
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:11,440
cost to the to the climate
the cost of uh losing trees and natural

1161
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:14,840
vegetation like dogwood and willow
that's a huge cost because, you know,

1162
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:21,160
you talk about bees
um it's uh land should not be a

1163
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:24,886
commodity. It should be a community.
So.

1164
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:26,906
Thank you.
>> [applause]

1165
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:36,400
» Uh I just I wanted to uh add a comment
to your question. It's a good question

1166
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:39,080
with uh agricultural chemicals and
fertilizers, etc.

1167
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:43,560
Uh
a couple of months ago I attended the

1168
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:48,600
uh
Horning's Mills Community Hall. There

1169
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:52,560
was a presentation by Gary Hunter, who
is the hydrogeologist that did the study

1170
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:57,960
for the Strata Quarry,
proposed Strata Blast Quarry, etc. And

1171
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:01,640
although the
the uh

1172
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:07,080
initiative of that meeting was to
discuss aggregates and and uh the the

1173
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:11,880
figures were there for silica
and other uh chemicals or possible

1174
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:16,400
contaminants that could come up from
blasting,

1175
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:21,360
what also was included was the aggregate
or pardon me, the agricultural

1176
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:25,360
input into the Pine River and the Boyne
River. And what to look at those

1177
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:29,520
figures,
it's an eye-opener.

1178
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:32,200
And you think, that's a big problem. And
that's definitely a definitely a

1179
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:35,880
discussion for another day because it is
a it's a big issue that's not being

1180
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:40,920
addressed and
uh it does need to be.

1181
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:44,560
Can you can you clarify a little bit
more on that? You mean that it was

1182
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:48,600
brought up that not only as we as a as a
quarry, we're not going to do as much

1183
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:53,640
damage as the agriculture? Like how did
how did they get how how did the two If

1184
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:56,600
you were there to hear about the the
Why is it doing it?

1185
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:00,800
Um
could you just clarify a little bit more

1186
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:03,280
for me? Okay. Um
the the report that he was doing

1187
01:45:03,137 --> 01:45:07,600
» [snorts]
>> had everything to do with with the uh

1188
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:13,240
with the aggregate pit
being converted to a quarry. So, his the

1189
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:18,520
uh the statistics that he had presented
were uh aggregate related, but also in

1190
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:23,720
those water tests
were also included, you know, what what

1191
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:29,120
other components there were. And the
agricultural chemicals and fertilizers

1192
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:33,240
were included there. So, it was just
happened to see it and everybody went,

1193
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:35,800
"Wow, that's that's a huge huge
problem."

1194
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,360
Near the questions.

1195
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,880
Not yet. Dale hasn't spoken.

1196
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:53,960
Dalton Hardy, a Mono resident.

1197
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:59,360
We have started a new uh recycle
program.

1198
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:08,680
How is that going?
One of the thing that uh

1199
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:12,720
hit me is that now we can recycle
plastic bags.

1200
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,920
Are we going to recede the bylaw that we
have in the town of Mono?

1201
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:20,680
Or we don't need that anymore because
they're recyclable?

1202
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:26,080
You mean where we can have plastic bags
again cuz they're recyclable? Yes. Yes.

1203
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:31,400
For the groceries.
There's no plans to recede that.

1204
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:34,560
But but to be honest, Dale, it
I don't think there's ever been a case

1205
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:38,560
of that bylaw being enforced because it
we we would rely on someone coming to us

1206
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:41,600
to report it and I don't think there's
ever been a report of

1207
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:48,560
If I'm saying there's as far as I know
there's no plans to recede the bylaw

1208
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:53,480
that we have on the books that says in
the retail business you can't use

1209
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:58,600
plastic bags. Do we get any feedback
from the how the

1210
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,600
No, just we we

1211
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:06,360
Dale Dale, if I can um just on the
recycling bins.

1212
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:11,840
Uh this is an initiative of the Ontario
government in conjunction with their

1213
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:16,080
uh their um provider of service which is
called uh

1214
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:22,080
uh circular materials. Uh I call them
circular arguments.

1215
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:27,240
And uh it is delivered to us by our um
county uh, contractor, which is Green

1216
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:30,514
for Life. I've got a lot of calls. We've
all got a lot of calls about the size of

1217
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:31,720
these bins.
>> [laughter]

1218
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:36,840
» Uh,
the mayor of Orangevale and myself, uh,

1219
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:41,160
joined forces to push back, and we were
successful in two regards. Number one,

1220
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:44,400
the start date was going to be January
1st, which of course is is absurd.

1221
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:49,000
Uh,
and we got that pushed back, but we also

1222
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:53,480
got the option of a smaller bin. It's
not that much smaller, but it's better

1223
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:57,920
than the really big bins. And we're
still getting complaints about bins

1224
01:47:55,400 --> 01:48:01,200
blowing over, and that that's not even
getting into the issue of the

1225
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:04,280
unsightliness of those bins at the end
of people's driveways.

1226
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:09,520
Oh, I was just going to make, sorry, I
was just going to make one more comment

1227
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:13,640
on, but they're here to stay. They're
here to stay, and so we need to only put

1228
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:17,280
them out. I think that blowing over
thing, I was it it was remarkable the

1229
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:20,480
number of large bins that had been blown
over, cuz I think they've only got three

1230
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:24,120
or four little cans in the bottom of
them, right? I think that we need to

1231
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:29,120
wait to put our put them out until
they're heavy enough, because they

1232
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:32,480
themselves are are, um, get airborne
easily.

1233
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,280
Hi.
I'm Melissa Hayward. I'm a resident of

1234
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:39,720
Mono.
Um, I think we

1235
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:45,680
we all have opinions on the size of the
bins, and it's lovely that we can

1236
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:50,800
supposedly put more things in them.
My question is, how much of it how much

1237
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:57,400
of it actually does get recycled, which
may be beyond the scope of this meeting,

1238
01:48:54,120 --> 01:49:02,080
but I've spoken to a number of people
who are in the industry,

1239
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:05,490
um, and I think this is an issue that
goes way beyond us. So, no, I don't

1240
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,080
think we should
>> [clears throat]

1241
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:14,560
» bring back plastic bags. It's that I
think a lot of it is being used

1242
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:19,720
by the plastics industry to convince us
to use more plastic, cuz the production

1243
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:23,720
of plastic has exploded in the last
decade.

1244
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:27,920
I mean, I know very much
um

1245
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:32,280
that it's really being recycled.
So, that I mean, it's not perhaps this

1246
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:37,680
isn't really a question, but maybe just
something that we all need to think

1247
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:41,920
about and maybe not get caught up in the
excitement [cough] that oh my gosh, I've

1248
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:44,720
got this great big bin and I can put
even more things in it than I could

1249
01:49:43,480 --> 01:49:48,680
before.
They're not really getting diverted. And

1250
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:53,480
these are excellent. Can I make a
comment? They're Those are excellent

1251
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:57,160
comments and and um I personally only
ever put out my little recycling bin

1252
01:49:55,200 --> 01:50:00,040
every 3 weeks or 4 weeks. Like, I don't
I don't generate that much. So, I'm

1253
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:03,760
certainly not going to put the big thing
out very very often. And you know,

1254
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:07,360
everybody's having to tuck the real
We're having to figure out how do we

1255
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:11,240
tuck it so away so that we can't see it.
And of course, in in our urban settings,

1256
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:13,600
it's like they're here and this is the
way it's going to be cuz you there's no

1257
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:17,280
re
Put the recycle bin in your garage or

1258
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:21,120
put the car in the garage. Which which
are you going to do, right?

1259
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:25,160
So, that and that and I think what's
going to come eventually will also be

1260
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:29,480
the big bin for garbage because if the
truck already has the ability to pick

1261
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:33,360
up, then you know, to to send out for
the garbage to have two men doing it.

1262
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:38,200
It's it's wasteful, right? But you're
absolutely right. This was brought about

1263
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:41,040
by the plastics companies because that's
the whole point of the government

1264
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:44,840
saying, "Well, we'll put it on to the
producers."

1265
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:49,040
But it but still, one day, even if there
is still stuff cuz I think it's bigger

1266
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:52,360
than it was before. That was the catch
thing. As Dells told us about the

1267
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:55,080
plastic bags, there's a few other things
too that were okay, great. I can put

1268
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:59,480
them in.
They may not be recycled now. They may

1269
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:02,280
We know that. We've seen behind the the
CBC Marketplace behind the curtain

1270
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:08,480
there, right? We've seen [clears throat]
that. But the at least it's separated

1271
01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:12,160
from garbage so that when it it's going
to wherever and that if it one day you

1272
01:51:11,480 --> 01:51:16,560
would
does spend the money on having the

1273
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:20,040
ability to process this plastic now and
cuz it's the sorting of it apparently is

1274
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:25,840
the difference, right? That of the
plastic. That I don't think it's that

1275
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:29,120
bad of an idea to continue to to recycle
cuz I almost want to with your comment I

1276
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:33,240
almost want to say yeah, you're right.
Just let's put it all in the garbage.

1277
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:36,360
And I don't Yeah, I think
Well, right. Yes.

1278
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:49,200
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Just in response, I I just wanted to add

1279
01:51:47,480 --> 01:51:52,600
a little anecdote to this. I totally
agree with you.

1280
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:56,320
I I'm probably a bit older than you are
and I grew up in the Fraser Valley in

1281
01:51:54,280 --> 01:52:01,000
British Columbia back in the late 1940s
and early 50s. We didn't have garbage

1282
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:04,400
pickup. We had a 45-gallon drum out the
back.

1283
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:09,400
And when we finished because our food
came the the butcher was wrapped in

1284
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:14,920
paper. Our our produce came in a paper
bag. We didn't have any plastic at all.

1285
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:20,600
Milk came in a in a glass bottle. We did
have tin cans and as as kids when the my

1286
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:25,000
father had lit the fire
after the fire, we got to pick a few tin

1287
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:28,520
cans out of the 45-gallon drum. But we
handled all our garbage on site just by

1288
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:32,880
basically by burning it and it was
basically some paper and maybe

1289
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:36,760
occasionally at Christmas a wooden box
of oranges from Japan. We could burn the

1290
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:39,440
wood in there, too. But we didn't have
plastic.

1291
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,440
Burning wasn't the answer though,
really.

1292
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:47,520
» Right. No, yeah, [clears throat] that's
not good for the atmosphere, but that's

1293
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:53,040
okay. But I love your term greenwashing.
I like that. Um I don't know how many of

1294
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:59,120
you subscribe to Environmental Defense,
but their most recent newsletter is

1295
01:52:55,200 --> 01:53:04,440
about plastic. And MC Squared has done
in the past a few years ago a whole

1296
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:08,200
session on plastic to educate people
about how many

1297
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:12,520
balls of plastic they've gotten floating
around in their bodies because it

1298
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:21,598
they're ingesting it through everything.
Um and um there are islands

1299
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:24,040
massive islands of plastic in our oceans
>> [snorts]

1300
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:29,960
» killing our fish
going into the fish so that we eat it.

1301
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:34,480
So, it it's a huge issue. So, where is
it being recycled and what's happening

1302
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:39,560
in with it? I don't know. Has anybody
seen the movie Wall-E?

1303
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:45,120
Oh, yeah. We'll be shipping it into
space and plugging up the atmosphere up

1304
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:51,480
there with this stuff, too. Anyway.
Yeah, I know. It's so it's it's a

1305
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:53,920
it's a lesson for us to use less if we
can.

1306
01:53:55,160 --> 01:54:01,720
Just Just one quick comment to add.
Uh yeah, I think it's obvious to

1307
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:06,400
everybody that just cuz you put it in a
recycling bin it doesn't necessarily get

1308
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:10,320
recycled. Um there are
I mean, there's a plant in Niagara

1309
01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:13,360
Falls, New York that Canada was shipping
plastics to because they couldn't

1310
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:16,680
incinerate it for power. So, that's one
way of getting rid of it. We've had

1311
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:20,040
containers of plastic show up in foreign
country in other countries.

1312
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:24,120
Uh that's embarrassing as nationally, I
think. Um

1313
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:29,320
but I do I do support the new program
because it puts a cost to the producers

1314
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:32,960
of those and I think the hope is that it
leads to a reduction in the production

1315
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:37,720
of them if it becomes more costly and
less That That may be naive on my part,

1316
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:42,360
but I hope. [laughter] But I haven't
heard anything about any new recycling

1317
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:47,440
initiatives to actually use the plastic
bags that we put in our blue bin. And I

1318
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,440
just wondered if anybody else had.

1319
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:54,280
Only seeing the list of the new things
that you get to put in it, right? Which

1320
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:58,320
is the assumption. But you know that the
increased cost to the producer really

1321
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:02,469
just means increased cost to the
consumer, right? Like

1322
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:05,040
» raspberries for seven bucks?
>> [laughter]

1323
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:10,760
» Uh just a quick one. Being a person who
suffers from significant paranoia,

1324
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:15,440
I uh
I'm assuming that the big bins are

1325
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:20,080
moving towards
bi-weekly or bi-monthly or once a month

1326
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:24,360
pickups.
The other That's So that's the

1327
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:29,000
the question I had. When I saw the
propaganda come out at the beginning,

1328
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:33,840
one of the things that struck me is my
93-year-old

1329
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:38,120
neighbor who lives on a half-mile
long driveway.

1330
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:43,800
And she could live in that thing instead
of having to wheel it down to the

1331
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:48,640
And And so I I was They did say that if
you had that problem, they would send

1332
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:54,800
someone to pick it up at your house,
which I assumed was a lie, which is

1333
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:58,600
again my paranoia slipping out. But I
was just wondering if anyone had heard

1334
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:01,960
about that because
what these people are doing or what I'm

1335
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:05,640
doing, and I'm not 93, fortunately.
We'll never make it. But anyway,

1336
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:08,680
it it lives down at the end of my
driveway.

1337
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:13,600
And I have a nice little place to tuck
it in so people going over 60 on my road

1338
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:17,680
won't notice it. The people going the
speed limit will say, "Oh, Don's got it

1339
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:23,360
out." I went down Main Street,
Shelburne, the other day on garbage day.

1340
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:26,720
And it reminded me of Toronto. The only
difference is my kids in Toronto have

1341
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:31,760
four of these.
In In Shelburne, they only have one.

1342
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:36,320
But give us time. But this is my I think
you're you're all nodding.

1343
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:42,360
To think that that Green for Life truck
would go up my driveway to pick up my

1344
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:46,680
bin is beyond credibility, which was a
lot of the other stuff I saw as well. So

1345
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:51,880
paranoia lives. I'm glad to hear that
it's shared, and I'll pass this back.

1346
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:57,960
And that's that's a good point. But But
they they have politely offered that you

1347
01:56:54,920 --> 01:57:02,040
can keep it at the end of your driveway
and then we'll be driving around here

1348
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:07,080
and before no time there'll be more blue
boxes than trees.

1349
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:12,480
If
Yeah. If if I can, I think it's an

1350
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:16,840
apocryphal tale that they'll drive up
your driveway. I've heard that by the

1351
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:21,920
way. You're absolutely right.
And and that that may have been an

1352
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:27,080
accommodation under the old system
that was presumed to continue under the

1353
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:30,440
new system. Um as far as I know the
frequency of pickup remains the same in

1354
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:34,840
Dufferin.
It has not in other jurisdictions such

1355
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:40,080
as Simcoe County
where they've gone back to the bi-weekly

1356
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:44,120
as opposed to weekly.
But you know as far as far as we're

1357
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:46,920
concerned it's probably going to go out
once every 3 weeks.

1358
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:50,760
And [snorts]
heavy enough that it won't blow over.

1359
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,760
Canute, the last comment.

1360
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:04,360
Well, I I I think personally that that
as long as

1361
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:09,960
countries are willing to start wars to
maintain the oil industry, I think we

1362
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:14,440
are dreaming for the short term. In the
meantime, paranoia continues.

1363
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:24,480
Well, I think we're coming to a natural
conclusion. I first wanted to thank

1364
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:28,640
everyone for coming out and
participating and asking some some good

1365
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:33,720
questions. I thought we had some
wonderful dialogue. I want to thank the

1366
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:38,840
members of council for coming up here
and I wanted to thank staff for taking

1367
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:44,400
time out of their weekend to be here. I
have one last comment that our special

1368
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:44,400
speaker would like to make.

1369
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:53,560
Thank you. I just wanted to thank
everybody here. I attend a lot of

1370
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:59,520
council meetings. The ones in Caledon go
to 1:00 a.m., but I leave at 9:30. Um

1371
01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:06,360
I've never seen this kind of a
respectful dialogue. Uh normally people

1372
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:11,040
are angry as bees nest cuz something
hasn't been done. And I just want to

1373
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:15,957
congratulate you all for the community
relations that you have. It's really

1374
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:17,977
extraordinary. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> [applause]

1375
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:31,480
» AND JUST JUST ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, I'D
like to thank everyone who who came out

1376
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:36,320
on a Saturday morning.
Uh we we love these town hall meetings,

1377
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:40,000
and this will not be the last one that
we hold. Thank you very much.

1378
01:59:40,192 --> 01:59:42,212
» [applause]