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to order of the city council, city of
Winona, Monday, June 16th.

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Could you please call the role? Alder
here. Alder is not here yet. Alder here.

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Alder here. Alder here. Excused. Mayor
here. Please rise for those res

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Thank you.

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Um, do I have a motion to approve the
minutes from June 2nd, 2025?

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So moved. Do I have a second? Second. I
have a second. Any changes, corrections,

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additions to the minutes?
Seeing none. All those in favor say I.

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I. The minutes are approved.
Um,

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I have something for appearances, but is
anybody here to make an appearance?

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No. Anybody on screen? No. Okay. Then
we'll close uh before we close the

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appearance section.
Uh I have a proclamation this evening.

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Uh at the last meeting we actually had
proclamation for pride month and and I

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spent a little bit of time
uh talking uh on WVMO about the

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importance of proclamations because I
think sometimes they're overlooked by

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our community and
uh and this one uh certainly falls under

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that category as well. This is a
proclamation uh for Junth which is this

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Thursday the 19th proclamation. Whereas
the Emancipation Proclamation signed by

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President Abraham Lincoln on January 1,
1863 did not end slavery for for all in

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our nation. It would take two more years
with the end of the Civil War for the

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Union Army troops to march into
Galveastston, Texas to enforce the

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Emancipation Proclamation and free the
250,000 people who remained enslaved. It

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is in remembrance of this day that we
now celebrate June 19th as Junth. And

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whereas while Junth has long been a
regional holiday celebrated in the

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American South with parades, picnics,
family gatherings, and prayer, it took

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on a more national and symbolic
prominence in 2020 following nationwide

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protests over the killing of George
Floyd. And whereas in 2021, President

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Joe Biden signed into law the Junth
National Independence Day Act. And Junth

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became a federal holiday to recognize
the emancipation of enslaved

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African-Americans
and to acknowledge the enduring struggle

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for freedom and equality in the United
States. And whereas today's Junth events

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continue to celebrate black American
culture, history, art, and achievement,

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and recognize the triumph of the human
spirit over slavery. Now therefore, I,

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Nancy Moore, mayor of Manona, Wisconsin,
in collaboration with the Manona City

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Council, do hereby declare June 19th,
2025 as Junth in the city of Manona. I

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call on residents to join me in
commemorating the centuries of struggle

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faced by black Americans, celebrating
their power and resilience, and renewing

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our commitment to promote racial healing
and end systematic inequity wherever it

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exists. signed the city of Manona, Deng
County, Wisconsin, this 16th day of

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June, 2025. Nancy W. Moore, mayor.
Um, there will be uh a flag raising for

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Junth at 8 a.m. on Thursday for anybody
who would like to join us right here at

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city.
Thank you. Uh, with that, uh, we have no

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public hearing.
Uh, and I'm going to move to the consent

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agenda. Do I have a motion to approve
the consent agenda? So moved. Second.

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Um, I need to recuse myself. Yep. Uh,
Rachel will be recusing herself from

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this one. Um,
so uh, we have a motion and we have a

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second. All those in favor say I. I.
Uh, motion carries. Consent agenda

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carries. Uh that takes us to G council
action items. Unfinished business

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consideration of 2025 2026 class A
fermented malt beverage and class A

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liquor licenses for Los Pedos uh Manona
LLC 6001 6005 Manona Drive license

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review committee from the license review
committee.

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Uh uh do I have a motion? I'll move to
approve. Do I have a second? Second. I

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have a second. All those in favor say I.
I. I. Motion carries.

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Unless you didn't ask for discussion, so
I don't know. Sorry. I just didn't It

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was pretty straightforward. Was anything
to discuss.

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Okay. Apologize. I just uh You never
know. It was on the previous agenda. So,

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um we took it off the previous agenda, I
should say. Um, uh, that takes us to GB,

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consideration of resolution 25-6-2811,
amending the 2025 operating budget for

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library salaries
from the finance director.

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Uh, and this was discussed at the last
meeting. Do we have any Do I have a

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motion? I'll move. Do I have a second?
Second. Any other discussion about this?

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Uh given that it's a total of 22,000,
this would be a voice vote. All those in

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favor say I. I. I.
Hey, there he is. Welcome, Rick. Thank

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you.
Uh, that takes us to new business

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G2A,
consideration of resolution 25-6-2813

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approving a sanitary sewer rate increase
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Welcome. Yeah, thank you. Uh, first read
here. Um,

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so what I'm recommending is a increase
to the sewer rates of 20%.

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Um, and there's various reasons why and
kind of kind of go over them. Um, so we

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have revenue bonds. They're different
than go notes. Revenue bonds are

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supported by revenues. Um, um, it's
really uh, most of utilities have them.

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Um, water, sewer, we don't have any for
storm water utility, but there is sewer

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or storm water utility revenue bonds. Um
we even have tiff increment revenue

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bonds. Um and all of them have this
requirement in there that's uh in their

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covenants that we have to meet. Um
revenues let us operating expense

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excluding uh depreciation must exceed
1.25 the highest annual debt service of

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the bonds. Um
so right now um we're on verge of not

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meeting that requirement if we don't
increase it by 20%. Um and there are

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three reasons why um that are revenues
are uh expenses are causing this. Um one

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is Madison Metro um sewage district. I
kind of get into that. The other one uh

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our borrowings and the other one is a
flat or slightly decreased over the last

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year of um sewer usage. Um the biggest
one here to me is uh the Madison Metro

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Sewers District. Um there's a there is a
page in here I put in put in here. I

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don't know what page it is for council.
I just had my finance packet. Um but

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shows what the increases were um from
Madison Metro from 2015

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uh 2024. Um
we've had a change of basically 72% over

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those over those years. You know we
average um about 8%. Uh and you'll

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notice in 2023 were the big kind of
years. Um happened recently in 2023

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to 20
uh 2022 to 23 the increase 108,000 um

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about 13% increase. From 23 to 24 um was
a 20% increase. Uh they usually do tell

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us they're increase in the rates. It's
usually about between 4 to 8%. Uh we're

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usually on a little higher side. We're
usually at around 8%. Um, so each

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district within the uh Mass Metro who's
part of it, they all get separate u

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notice what their rate increases are
going to be and this ours is usually

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around 8% um every year. We haven't had
issues meeting the requirements um

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because our rates um have been okay um
to meet that requirement. Um but this

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last two years um it's really eat into
any surplus we would have to to meet

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that requirement of the 1.25 25 in 2024
for we got a thing from Mass Metro. They

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thought that the overall cost was going
to be roughly a million dollars. Came in

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at $1.1 million. Um so we actually took
a little bit of a loss in that fund um

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because of that issue. Um

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and I've I've shared this I know with
public works and I've shared it now with

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finance. I've been looking through these
invoices. I'm trying to get a good

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handle on this whole Madison Metro
Sewers District. I've been in contact

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with them trying to kind of been going
on for years, but trying to figure out

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exactly what happens with that. So each
year we get a quarter bill from them. I

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just want to kind of show analysis one
thing I'm looking at. Um

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we get a quarter bill. So what I've
learned is one week out of a quarter

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they'll monitor the flows and that's
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So whatever that average is for that
week is what you have as a flow. So I

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was looking at you know last year
quarter one um just just for my analysis

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last year quarter one so they break it
down all these quads different areas of

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manona and they use our um
billing usage too the bill but so these

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there's quads they call it's where these
uh cues is where the the monitors are.

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There's quad three biggest ones are
affecting us. There's quad 50 which I

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believe is the Midmmore lifts area um
monitoring system. There's one called 53

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which is Birch Haven and then 128 which
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Um so there's a dramatic difference from
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I don't know if it's you know for
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just going to use a quad 50 which is a
minor wasund 112 gallons per day for the

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first quarter second uh third quarter it
was 285

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um gallons per day but our usage is
basically exactly the same so I've been

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trying to figure out with them they also
have this factor in there which I'm

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trying to figure out better They charge
1.3% increase. So they're saying there's

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30. I don't get it. So I'm trying to
work with them trying to work with Brad

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to figure out there's basically what
they told me is there's 1.3 factors

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included in there. They told me pretend
there's 100 um 100 houses connected to

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the sewer system. Um and they're saying
that 1.3 is there's 30

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unconnected se connected to the sewer
system. are are flowing through that

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which I don't completely understand yet.
So I'm trying to get more information on

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that. And so those two big ones uh C50
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all have this 1.3 factor in there too.
So I'm trying to figure out exactly what

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that is. Um but even if I go to Q53 we
went from 100 it's 200 basically 200 uh

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gallons per day to 370. So and they
increase their rates every year. So you

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know for some reason there's more
flowage going through there higher the

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bills um each year. We do get an average
of an increase uh from them. Uh they are

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not subject to any council. I mean, they
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so they, you know, I'm not saying
they're doing, but their rates go

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through the councils every year or to
their utility board. They approve it.

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So, and that's represented by the city
of Madison. Um, it's also represented by

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Dane Countyy's, villages, and cities,
and there's some other unelected

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people on there, too. Um, they term that
every year, and they tell us what it is,

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but that's growing at a rate that if it
keeps on growing at this rate, you know,

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13 20%, it's really unsustainable. So
trying to narrow down what these issues

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are in these quads which is really
causing it because our usage on the

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other hand is staying the same. So the
revenue we're bringing in stays the same

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every year. Um so we got to make up for
that extra 113,000.

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Um and that's one of the reasons why
requesting

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the biggest reason if that keeps on
jumping at this 13 20% is want it's not

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being sustainable forever um with these
large increases but we need to we need

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to be able to pay that and make sure we
meet our uh re revenue bonds

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requirements. Um we do have some debt
service did increase a little bit. Um

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that's how we also we had some larger
projects the last couple years. Um so

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that's increased a little bit but so we
have to make up for that um increasing

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there and the other one is like I said
usage is staying the same. So the usage

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is staying the same. So we you know
we're not able to meet this the revenues

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um the expenses are going up and massive
metro sewage district is basically 90

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some percent of our costs outside of
depreciation interest payments and stuff

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like that um 90% of our total cost. So
we have no control over that. We

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actually if you look at the FTE that we
use just for the public works it's less

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than 1%. So you're not or less than one
FTE. I think it's like 75. So there's

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not a lot of public works involvement in
there. I mean they do some but it's

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equivalent to like a 1.75 FTE. It's all
Madison Metro uh driven to us. So we

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have to meet our requirements. So that's
why I'm requesting this uh increase

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to the sort of utilities.

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Would you like to add
some of what we discussed with finance?

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um uh around one of the things well let
me just say you know one of the things

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that I said was I understand the need to
increase this because we don't have a

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choice right we don't have any control
over it on the other hand uh and I

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really do appreciate Mark's uh
investment and trying to get to the

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bottom of why it it why the insane
increases in my view two years in a row

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um when it doesn't appear to relate to
usage it appears to

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because of this independent body. It's
independent of Madison too as well, by

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the way. Um,
and so, um, my question was, you know,

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are we going to keep digging? Are we
going to keep pushing to get the answers

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to everything even though we need to
increase this amount? And that's what we

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talked about with the finance meeting.
So, if you want to talk about Yeah,

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absolutely, Mayor. Um, so the Dane
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um is is has essentially there's a a
component of those communities who are

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essentially Madison Metropolitan Sewage
District customers. Um that that

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component of those folks I believe we
have I have a.3 members on the governing

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board through that through our
association at DCCVA.

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Um, so part of that is is making sure
that that relationship between our

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appointees is are basically
communicating with us and following what

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and being aware of what our issues are
at the local level and then carrying

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that forward actually at the board
meetings. I think there's been some

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concern over that. I think the last year
and year year and a half or so um has

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been a considerable amount more of
discussion at the Dane County Cities and

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Villages Association meetings uh with
with sharing the same concern. To be

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clear, I want to make sure so for for
the public as well as for this body,

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this is an issue for all MMSD customers.
They are experiencing these

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extreme
increases, I guess, for lack of a better

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term. Um there's been, you know, some
explanations as to why that's happening.

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I guess a little bit. um pre there's a a
previous director um I think in the last

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couple years had set a borrowing number
for capital projects uh at a certain

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number but then they were only
completing about 2/3 of those projects.

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So what they're levying for that larger
number. So rolling that fund over and so

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like what we would do here keeping that
available towards cash funding any other

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future projects and so forth. But the
problem is they're levying for that that

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additional amount every year and they're
not doing the project. So it's an

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unnecessary increase in that regard. I
think that was one thing that was kind

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of discovered um by one of our one of
our other members had brought that

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forward. You know, in addition there the
communication in the past has not been I

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guess uh as as as robust as we think it
probably should be. Um, so I think it's

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it's been kind of really the last I'd
say the last full year from the Dayne

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County Cities and Villages Association
meeting. This is a regular topic pretty

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much at every single meeting. So this is
coming up. So I think the main things

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are our main order of recourse I think
are one certainly uh you know having

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Mark and and our we talked about maybe
having the need of having the finance

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directors uh and you you know of those
folks at of all of the partner the

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customer communities be a a a kind of a
work group so to speak to actually meet

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with MMSD and talk about the financial
end of these things but then having our

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public works directors or our utility
managers being a technical group so we

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have a better understanding of the
actual need for the projects that

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they're that they're working on. And so
when they say it's, you know, this is

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it's past its useful life or this is a
DNR requirement or this is whatever

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explanation they've provided to us, we
have the technical people in the room to

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agree like, "Yep, that's correct. That's
absolutely right." Or, "No, that's

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that's not absolutely not right." So, I
think those are some things that are in

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the works to help continue to hopefully
make this a little more manageable from

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their end. But I think the main thing we
need to do is to make sure that those

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appointed reps through the Dane County
Cities and Villages Association are

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being responsive to their customer
communities and making sure that our

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concerns are being brought forward. So
that's kind of our our main our main

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focus of that organization and as
customer communities at this point. I do

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think uh I think that's good too. I the
flow thing is really the thing that's

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really causing the whole the big
difference too. I mean their rates are

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increasing. So basically they take one
week. This is my and maybe that's a way

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they can maybe change that. They take
one week out of 12 weeks and say okay

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this one week this is your flow. We're
going to average that for the entire

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quarter. So if you got a one week where
it's super you know wet or something

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that's infiltration
maybe it's that whole that applies to

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the entire quarter. I mean the opposite
side could be super you know low flow

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too. we get applied to the super to the
whole quarter to where it's lower than

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it should be too. Um so there is that
both lads too but you know one quarter

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to me I don't one week out of 12 weeks I
don't know I don't know if that's to me

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I
I don't know if I person I don't think

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that's I don't know if that the whole
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to Mark's point I think the question is
it's like when you have increased flows

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but your overall usage isn't changing.
Yeah. Why why don't they use usage? They

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do use it. They use as part of their
analysis too. Okay. Right. So actually

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that was going to be my question was
like there obviously must be a formula

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that's a combination of flow and usage
or else they do use it. So what's the

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formula
or or I mean not

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I mean generally speaking what's
they do take are they call um equivalent

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meters. So they
invoice I have from them. There's like

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volumes. There's a volume charge is CB.
I don't know exactly what that is. Uh

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solids, uh nitrates, and then phosphors
and the equipment meters. And then

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actual customers, they have a charge. So
there's like one, two, three, six

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different
charges. And so they I so they have the

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meter and then they have the flows. And
so I assume a lot of it maybe could be

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INI could be what it is. I'm not for
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I guess our strength of flow shouldn't
be for the most part because we don't

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have significant industrial users in the
city. Our our strength of flow

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should probably be in terms of what's
actually in the water the phosphorus the

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nitrate.
could should be lower than other folks

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unless there's something going on that's
causing it's mainly the flow issue that

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that gallon charge and and they did talk
to him and he said it's if you look at

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the if you look at these there's three
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if you look at the lake levels at that
time they would say it looks exactly

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like the lake levels.
So if the lake is up then we're getting

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a lot higher flow charges.
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so that's I mean they did they have
something they were showing me like well

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if you look at the lake and the levels
and you compare it it's pretty similar.

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So
any other questions on this particular

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item? We're not voting on this tonight.
Doug, were you going to Well, one two

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question or question and a comment. Um,
when was the last time that we raised

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the sewer rates? Uh, it's been a while.
Okay. Get that. Yeah, I get that about

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when about seven years ago. Okay. So,

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um, you know, 20% increase over take
that annually over seven years is not as

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ownorous as otherwise
sounds. Um,

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I guess I had always
kind of assumed that part of the reason

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that their costs are going up, well, two
things. One is there's so much

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development in the county in the area
that they serve that there's more of it.

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So, they have a lot of capital cost that
aren't necessarily that we're causing

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them, but they're for them to operate
the system, they have to do it. Maybe

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that's not the case, but No, that is the
case. Um, and that there may be, you

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know, they have other capital needs.
Maybe there's new standards they have to

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meet. But I'm sure PE fans in there,
too. Right. So, that would on their

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website it says that
customers should contact the

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municipality that issued the bill, but
municipal staff can contact the district

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directly about, you know, their bill.
Um and I did just as information the

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commission makeup is five Madison
appointees three DCCVA and one town

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which is not that's fairly common that's
no is sort of set up

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similarly although
no does have a technical committee made

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up of like public works directors or
assistant directors

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that advise their staff and and the the
board on things. Sounds like that might

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be something that they should look at.
That's kind of them. Yeah, probably

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manager.
Okay. Any other questions, comments

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about this item? So, Rick, did you have
anything?

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No, ma'am.
Mayor question. Um

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Mark, can you explain the relation
between

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the
Madison Metropolitan Sewer District

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Services and the City of Manona's like
we have wells where our drinking water

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comes from. How is it all related?
Dan's better, but

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that answer. Um,
well, we have the water. So, anything

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that goes through your meter, uh, your
water meter goes back into

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gets a charge.
I'm trying to think of exactly the

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question. Like, so I guess my question
is every single drop of water that I use

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in my house is all back to MMSD.
Is that true? Yes and no. Um, so

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anything that goes to your your actual
meter, you get a you actually

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get a bill from us for that usage.
Exactly. And then we send that to the

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MSD, so they have a knowledge of that.
But if you're watering your yard and it

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went through the meter and it doesn't go
back into the sewer, I mean, it doesn't

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go back through, you know, your toilet,
your drains, um, you're still getting

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bill for that even though it doesn't go
into the sewer system.

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And and I would get build by the city.
You'd get build by the city. So we would

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get build by the Mass Metro too because
they use that in their analysis the

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usage, right? Even though it didn't go
through their system, right? But that's

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common throughout the state for all
sewer utilities. Okay. And then another

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question I had was um I just wanted to
make sure I heard you correctly. I think

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you said that MMSD service you know the
fees that we pay the service we pay is

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90% of the budget number but the
majority of our whose budget city of

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Manona's budget so if you look at our
whole

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sewer utilities if you look at our sewer
utility yeah right as a whole if you

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take away the uh the principal and the
interest and the appreciation costs and

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the net like operating costs they're
it's it's pretty tight number. I get the

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exact number, but that's like your
biggest cost that

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electric bills for the pump stations.
So, again, just as a resident, I've got

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I pay for sewer um services. Yeah. 90%
of what I'm paying is related to MMSD.

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It's a pass through essentially. It's
pass. I mean, they have they have all I

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mean, they have the infrastructure as
far as the system. They're the ones that

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do all the the plans. So, that's the
expensive part, right? running those

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plans. So that's I mean that's the
benefit to us is we don't have to run

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our own treatment system. Right. Right.
Like I said we have about 1.75 FTEES and

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they probably I don't even know what
they I'm sure they have a lot higher

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number than that. So you know they're
paying for that all that stuff.

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Okay. Thank you.
Yeah. And just to point out just in

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terms of you know the mention of the
makeup of the actual governing board in

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terms of the Madison represent Madison
is dealing with this this issue as well.

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So they're they're seeing increases in
the same ranges that we are. So they're

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they still have they're still dealing
with the same concern that all the other

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smaller communities are and that the
percentage increase is is substantial

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and is significantly higher than
anything they're doing with their own

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budgets. So, and this is a we it's a
strange case that you know, normally you

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would think maybe it'd be the small guys
versus the big guy. In this case, we're

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all kind of on the same same boat. In
fact, they may even getting a little

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worse as they're since they're the
primary user, they may be seeing even

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even more of a significant impact of
these these increases than even the

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smaller communities are. So, so
hopefully together we can continue to

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keep the discussion going and and
continue to make some progress on this

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hopefully. So, mayor
Is there anything that any action that

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we need to take tonight? I know that
this is not started for immediate, but

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next time we meet, is it is it the
intent that we would ask

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Mark or someone at the city to take
action if action sounded like a good

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idea? The next meeting is to vote on the
increase. Right. Right. So, we could

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have someone from hopefully Madison from
Central to answer questions. That's what

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I was wondering. I think also there was
just sort of a comment like what's the

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formula like do we have to request that
Mark find that out or No. No. Yeah. You

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can ask him to bring it to the next
meeting or you could ask him to keep

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fighting or whatever, but that doesn't
have to be in the form. Sounds good.

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Could be it's just, you know, those flow
numbers and stuff. Maybe it's just the

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II, maybe it's the lake levels. Yeah.
That's what they're going to say. If you

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look at the lake levels, does that mean
we're lake levels are high? All

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everything going right into our pipes.
Mhm. It's what basically, you know,

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is happening. Not all of it, but making
it into the pipes. Although I know the

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public works has worked very hard to
reduce that. So yeah,

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there's a strange relationship in terms
of like well if our usage is down how

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come how can we be paying exactly? Well
because the capital costs as you guys

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know very well are fixed cost. So even
if so therefore if we if we drop our our

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usage number how do you make up for
that? Well the rate has to increase to

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make up to actually get us to that that
usually certainly with the capital and

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the fix the fixed cost of the budget. So
it is in and little counterintuitive

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when you first think about it but then
that's when you express one that's it's

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flip sides. Well you think we and then
we start increasing our usage and

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increasing our flow somehow that still
goes up too goes both ways. So it's a

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yeah it it is an extremely complicated
calculation that they brought us through

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when you know you and Mark can't quite
nail it down right off the bat that

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should tell you everything you need to
know about these the complexity of the

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form.

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All right. Thank you, Mark.

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And we're going to move on to
new business 2B, consideration of

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ordinance 625790,
amending chapter 381-3H

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and 381-4J3
regarding lawn and yard waste disposal

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from the public works committee. Jan,
thank you, mayor. Can everybody hear me?

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Okay. Yes. Good sir. Okay. Thank you. Uh
this item did go to the public works

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committee on June 4th and we did receive
their recommendation for approval. In

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essence, uh it's um uh a cleaning up of
the the language that's in the current

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ordinance.
Uh you can see in your packet uh for

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381-3 paragraph H, I have some language
that's struck out. uh because it's uh I

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guess unclear uh as to the intent of
that that sentence. And right below it

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um the new language where it states the
yard wastists facility is open to city

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of Manona residents only. Bus business
landscape contractors and non-residents

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are prohibited from using the yardway
site. So I believe that sentence

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provides a little more clarity um as to
who can actually use uh the city of

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Manona yard site. And then if you go to
381-4

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mandatory recycling
paragraph 3, I added this sentence uh

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basically the same language. The yard
waist facility is open to city of Manona

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residents only. Businesses, landscape
contractors, and other non-residents are

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prohibited from using the yardway site.
So this is this is the only amendment

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that I'm seeking uh to chapter 381.
And I know there was a

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a residential contact that we had at
city hall today through the website

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uh regarding 381-3 paragraph H. And
that's for lawn waste. Keep in mind that

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lawn waste
uh includes grass clipping leaves and

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garden debris. And we do not have a
curbside program for that. There is

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another section in chapter 381 that
discusses the leaf collection program

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that we do have that's for for curbside.
So um that request that I believe you

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all were copied on does not apply to uh
381-3 and 381-4.

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So um that that's it for my summary for
the amendment changes.

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Be more than happy to answer any
questions you might have.

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I just um yes, is this coming up because
it's been recognized as a problem um

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00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:29,679
that non-residents or businesses are
using this and then is is it being

405
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:34,560
enforced now and or is there plans to
kind of like tighten up enforcement of

406
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:41,919
it? Is is that the intention of this
change? So the intention of this request

407
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:50,159
um this whole chapter was updated in in
2024.

408
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:54,800
Um we had saw on camera uh a contractor
dumping

409
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:59,119
this year at the archway site and when
one of the staff members went to look at

410
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:04,880
the code he saw that it wasn't clear
that we could site contractors for

411
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:10,000
illegal dumping. So,
um, we have cameras there. In the past,

412
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:15,920
when we've seen illegal dumping, if we
were able to capture the license plate

413
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:21,440
or read, uh, the door tag, we contacted
PD, then PD made contact with, um, the

414
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,200
operator of the vehicle. They had two
choices. They could either come and and

415
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:32,000
get what they dumped out or they could
receive a citation. Um so in this

416
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:38,400
particular case um
we we noticed it was a contractor and

417
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:43,680
since the code was updated it we were
missing that one clear sentence that

418
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:49,760
basically said uh if you're a if you're
a business a landscape contractor or a

419
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:53,280
contractor or a non-resident um you were
prohibited from using the site. So the

420
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,960
goal here is just to really make that
clear in these two paragraphs.

421
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:08,720
And I had a question. Yep. Rick,
uh, is it posted at the yardway site

422
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:14,640
that there's
a fine uh, potential for illegal

423
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:20,320
dumping? Well, we we do have a rule
board at at the yardway site. Does it

424
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:26,160
mention the fine or anything like that?
I I do not know at this time. It's a

425
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,480
It's a pretty detailed sign. I I don't I
don't know off hand what the exact

426
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:37,440
language is, but we do have signs that
say no no no contractor dumping. Okay.

427
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:41,359
Um so it does include that. And we do
have signs. We we also have signs that

428
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:47,040
say that you're being watched that
there's cameras like everything's been

429
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:51,520
captured. Right. Right.
The clarification in the amendment is

430
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:57,119
basically to whoever is going to write
the citation, whether it's code

431
00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:02,400
enforcement or PD, that they have a a
clear spot in the code that they can go

432
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:07,839
to to reference on the citation as to
what part of the ordinance um they're

433
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:15,520
going to site them for. And uh like I
said, the the language that was stricken

434
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:19,119
uh was not very clear. Um, I mean it
it's clear that that non-residents are

435
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:23,680
prohibited, but as far as the businesses
and contractors, landscape contractors,

436
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,720
that language needed to be added because
Manona residents

437
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:34,240
um should be paying for private
contractors to dispose of of uh yard

438
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:39,440
waste that they're making business
profit off of and and most likely coming

439
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:44,320
from outside of Manona. So, that's why
we're seeking the change.

440
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:47,640
Any
other questions?

441
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:58,000
Okay, seeing none. Thank you, Dan. Thank
you.

442
00:37:53,200 --> 00:38:04,160
That takes us uh to uh C
uh which is connected to D both of which

443
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:10,079
are uh starred for
immediate approval.

444
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,680
And I will just say um before we uh
begin discussion of them that they're

445
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:20,079
started for immediate approval tonight
because and Brad is here with us um uh

446
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,720
to facilitate the discussion and provide
more information. Um but I the reason

447
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:29,760
why the start for immediate approval is
that

448
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:37,359
the public works garage roof is ready to
go. So we need to make the call on

449
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:42,640
getting those you know we've as per
the instructions really from this body

450
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,000
you know the staff has spent and Neil
mentioned this last meeting the staff

451
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:50,320
has spent some time with legacy solar
who's the owner of our panels and now

452
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:55,520
the panels need to and so we have some
options to discuss tonight and now we

453
00:38:53,599 --> 00:39:00,240
need to make a decision and we can't
really wait a couple weeks because the

454
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:07,680
roof needs to happen. So with that, I
will go to um item number uh C,

455
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:13,200
consideration of resolution 25-6-2814,
approval of the acquisition, removal and

456
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,920
transfer of solar p panels from the
public works roof to other city

457
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:25,440
facilities brought forth by the city
administrator. Um and uh with that, I'm

458
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:30,400
going to request a motion to take this
out of order.

459
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:35,119
Um, so moved suspend the rules and taken
out of order. Do I have a second? I'll

460
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:40,880
second. I have a second. All those in
favor say I. I. I.

461
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:45,760
Right. Um,
and uh before we start, we may have a

462
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:50,119
motion
uh for consideration of the resolution.

463
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:59,520
I'll move approval. Okay. Do I have a
second?

464
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:05,680
A second. Second. Okay, we have a motion
and a second. So, we have a motion on

465
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:11,520
the floor for approval of item number C.
Would that Neil? Absolutely. Thank you,

466
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:15,599
Mayor. Um, thank you. Wanted certainly
wanted to bring this forward to council.

467
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Um, this is obviously something we have
not u I think don't think I've at least

468
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,480
dealt since I have been here with to
this degree of this opportunity. Um,

469
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,160
essentially in our staff met with Legacy
Co-op to discuss the removal of the

470
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:32,400
panels in terms of we're really focusing
on the logistics of how that would go.

471
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,079
Uh, essentially in the email I sent in
reply to Alder Bernstein's question.

472
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Thank you Alder for sending those. Uh,
all of you should have received that

473
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,960
hopefully this afternoon. Essentially
there as we kind of were started

474
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:47,760
discussing the the how to proceed with
legacy solar, three options became

475
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:52,240
pretty clear. uh one which is the
probably the easiest and probably the

476
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:57,520
most cost-effective uh is simply to have
legacy co-op remove the panels and

477
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:00,800
dispose of them. Uh essentially the city
the impact of the city would be

478
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,079
basically the loss of the the
electricity generated by those panels

479
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,200
which we would now have to be paying to
MG. So the most the most simple and

480
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:14,880
probably uh I guess straightforward
option that is out there. As we were

481
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:19,440
talking with Legacy Co-op, um we
suddenly did start realizing that there

482
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:25,119
was maybe an opportunity to reutilize or
relocate uh the existing panels. They

483
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,319
are used panels. They have probably
I'm guessing maybe, you know, I think

484
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:33,440
we've heard ranges from anywhere from
from five to to 20 years of of remaining

485
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:37,920
life on them depending on what status or
condition they're in and what the when

486
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:41,520
the most recent uh uh maintenance had
been done on those panels had been. So,

487
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:45,280
we're looking at you trying to figure
out exactly, you know, is it whether or

488
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,319
not it's it's, you know, the decision
that this group would like to make in

489
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:52,720
terms of, you know, proceeding with
relocating relocating the panels and

490
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:56,319
reutilizing them. Um, and the other the
options uh two and three that were

491
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,960
presented in the email back to Alder
Bernstein's email, one was simply um

492
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:07,680
agreeing to acquire the panels, which is
a a cost of $10,000, not $40,000. Um

493
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:12,160
hopefully folks saw that from Kurt at at
uh Solar Legacy. They said stated that

494
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:16,560
$40,000 would have been the cost if we
were going to put them back onto the

495
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:21,119
public works roof. So, so to acquire
those panels from that particular

496
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:24,800
project would be about $10,000.
The concern in terms of what may trying

497
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:30,079
to measure in fact whether or not it
would be cost effective to save and

498
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:34,160
reposition these panels would be the
need to construct some sort of ground

499
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:37,839
mounts probably either at well three or
at another location. uh we're trying to

500
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,280
avoid putting them on the roofs right
now because we're in the process of

501
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:44,960
replacing all of those roofs. So the
idea would be that extra infrastructure

502
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:50,240
would be required to kind of be able to
reutilize those panels. Um so that's

503
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,160
kind of really the main so that cost has
been depending on I mean the full cost I

504
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,520
think that Brad took a shot at was
around as was a little over $100,000.

505
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:05,839
uh follow-up discussions with Kurt from
Legacy Solar was that that you maybe in

506
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:10,319
the 65 to $85,000 for for all to to put
all those panels all up in one shot. Uh

507
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,640
to just for the ground mounts to be able
to re to be able to reutilize those

508
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:19,440
panels. Um which certainly makes the
question of the useful life on how how

509
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:23,920
long would it take to recover costs or
get some kind of payback on that five

510
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:29,359
years pretty tough to do that. closer to
the 10 15 20 probably makes a little

511
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:33,760
more sense. Um there's a lot of moving
target moving moving parts I guess on

512
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:38,800
this at this time. Um but we certainly
wanted to bring those you know those

513
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:43,440
those options forward. Um certainly
three things to look at. If it's simply

514
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:48,480
a financial evaluation then option one
is probably the best. Have Legacy remove

515
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,440
them. They dispose of them. We simply
have to figure out a way to make up for

516
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:56,160
the additional electric cost at the
public works garage. simplest, cleanest,

517
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:59,680
but that's that's the only cost impact.
Obviously, if we start looking at at

518
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,520
trying to reutilize and redeploy those
panels, there are concerns over

519
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,960
certainly the capital costs of the
ground mounting units that would be

520
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,880
required. Certainly, some maintenance
costs as well as trying to figure out

521
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,960
what those would be. Probably some
replacement of some equipment, the

522
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:20,880
actual um inverters and other things
that are required to utilize the panels

523
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:26,160
and make them effective. um to obviously
eventually what is the impact to uh a

524
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:29,599
future purchase of new panels which I
think we've discussed as part of maybe

525
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:34,720
as a follow-up to once we have redone
our roof each of our major roofs uh on

526
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,040
our major facilities that would be the
time then there's actually um a warranty

527
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:43,839
that's required on that roof that lasts
from 1 to two years once that warranty

528
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,240
is expired we can actually put panels
onto the roof again on those facilities

529
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,040
I think and and Brad can certainly
provide additional detail in this. The

530
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,119
idea would be if we were going to do
that to actually get all of the same

531
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,640
kind of panel. So, we had the same
maintenance requirements, the same

532
00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:03,359
replacement equipment, the same sort of
infrastructure basically to support that

533
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,599
effort. Probably in in a time frame of
anywhere from I could say 3 to seven

534
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,800
years depending on when all of those
different infrastructure things get

535
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,319
done.
So, that is kind of the preliminary uh

536
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,520
overview on that. Brad, I don't know if
you want to provide any comments right

537
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,480
now or just be available to answer
questions. That's I turn it over to you

538
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:25,119
if you have additional comments you'd
like to make right Neil on it. No, I

539
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:33,280
don't I don't have anything additional
to add to it. Um it is a complicated

540
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:38,880
contract that we have now with Solar
Legacy Co-op, but the they are not our

541
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:43,280
panels obviously, right? So, um if
anybody's new to this, feel free to ask

542
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:47,240
questions. There there are no silly
questions when it comes to this.

543
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:58,160
I have some questions. Questions? Um,
yeah. So,

544
00:45:53,839 --> 00:46:03,440
so how many So, you talk about like So,
I think what we're talking about is

545
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:09,119
taking the panels off of public's garage
and putting them on a ground mount over

546
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:15,200
by well number three, which is the well
with the mural by Southtown. Correct.

547
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:19,680
And
the energy

548
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:27,119
electricity generated by the ground
mount panels would

549
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:30,800
be used on site at well number three
currents.

550
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:38,800
How many kilowatts per year do the
panels produce and how many kilowatts

551
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:43,839
per year does well number three use? I'm
looking for that number right now. One

552
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,839
moment here.

553
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:55,040
While Neil's uh working on that, it
probably is good to remind the council

554
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:59,760
at this point. All we really need
tonight is a decision on what to do with

555
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,839
those panels because it it's imperative
that we get a decision tonight as to

556
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:07,599
whether or not we we want to buy them
and reuse them or just have them dispose

557
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:13,040
of them because that'll dictate how they
take them down. the the decision on what

558
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:16,960
to do with the panels later can be made
at a later date. It's just tonight we

559
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:22,079
need to know are we going to reuse these
things or not?

560
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:28,720
But don't you think that
we need to know whether it's financially

561
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:34,960
worth it to use them? So, so to ask this
question, right? So, if the panels are

562
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:40,000
only going to generate 5% of the
electricity instead of 95% of the

563
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:44,800
electricity at the at the well, that's a
very I mean, I know that I'm using

564
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,079
extreme numbers on both ends there, but
um you get what I'm saying what I'm

565
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:52,960
saying. So, I think they're older
panels. They probably don't produce a

566
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:58,560
lot compared to modern-day panels, but
if we can offset a significant

567
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:02,079
electrical bill, maybe it is worth it.
I'm also curious while you're looking

568
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:06,560
for that, the ground mount
infrastructure, would that be built in a

569
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:10,560
way that it would be forward compatible?
And by that, what I mean is as these

570
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:16,160
same panels come off those other
rooftops that we've got them out there,

571
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:20,560
can we augment that ground mount array
as we go until one day down the road

572
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,680
where everything lines up and we've got
new roofs on all the buildings and we

573
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,640
put beautiful new, you know,
highcapacity panels up.

574
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,599
And so two questions I think I heard
there all there one it looks like says

575
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,359
the to the total at the well three
ground mounted array would be

576
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:39,760
approximately 150 kilowatts with 24
kilowatts of existing on the roof at the

577
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,119
well at well 3 already. So it would
produce 150. So it would be

578
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,880
approximately 150 kilowatts. The panels
would produce 150 and I know Brad if you

579
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:55,200
actually have a number on what that well
uses.

580
00:48:49,839 --> 00:49:01,280
So demand is on a 15minute window. So
the well, you can't say, well, the well

581
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:08,720
uses 150 kilowatts
a day because in 15 minutes it could use

582
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:14,960
30 and then another 15 minutes uses
zero. That's why I asked for the yearly

583
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:21,680
number. Yeah. So we don't have that data
yet, Alder Rodermcker. Okay. Um I I told

584
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:29,280
the finance committee earlier uh that
that is some that is information that we

585
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:33,760
can get by the second meeting in July. I
only say that because I'm not in town

586
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:40,160
for the first meeting of July, but I if
I can get it by then, I will share it

587
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:45,200
with uh Neil and Mark and whoever else
and you guys can hash it out at the next

588
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:52,319
meeting. Um,
but like uh like attorney Cole said that

589
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,200
this is we can the city council can
always figure out what they want to do

590
00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:00,240
with the panels afterwards. It's a
matter of letting Solar Legacy Co-op

591
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:05,599
know whether or not we are interested in
buying them or or if they want to throw

592
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:10,480
them off the rooftop when they're taking
them off the rooftop, then feel free.

593
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:15,839
Right. Right. It's really and let me
just Yeah, let me just follow up with

594
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:24,240
that with Brad. So, cuz it it really it
it boils down to do we want to risk

595
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:28,880
spending $10,000 right now
and therefore buy the panels not knowing

596
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,319
whether we're going to use the panels or
not. Not knowing whether it's worth it

597
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,000
because we don't know that and we're not
going to know that in time. They need to

598
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:41,920
take the panels off.
So I

599
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:46,640
I I understand that a residential
property is

600
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:52,240
infinitely less complicated than the
port electrical use portfolio of an

601
00:50:48,480 --> 00:51:00,400
entire city. But just for comparison,
my home 1100 square foot

602
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:06,720
I use about 600 kilowatts a year in
electricity.

603
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:10,000
So, if these panels only produce 150,
I mean, I would like to I would like

604
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:14,240
someone to look into it. So, I'm looking
at the MGE website right now. Again, I

605
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:18,240
know that an entire city can't do this,
but you can go and see how much

606
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,359
electricity you're using. And I don't
know if you can like separate it out

607
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:25,680
like of all the electricity that the
city uses, here's what we use on well

608
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,680
number three. But that's what we have to
find out because the panels are only

609
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,599
going to feed into well number three.
And so,

610
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:38,079
you know, that payback period really
that that that calculus

611
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:41,680
because we can't just do it just because
it's green, you know, we have to do it

612
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,760
because it's financially smart, right?
So, yeah. And that was certainly the

613
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,599
reason why staff wanted to bring this
forward is to make sure and have that

614
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:54,880
conversation. Um I think the other
question al you had was um in terms of

615
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,160
as a non-engineer I would say yes our
our intention would be to have those

616
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:02,559
ground mounts that would be able to be
able to be utilized for a future panel.

617
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:06,720
Now can we do that is does that thing
exist? I I don't know that at this point

618
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,720
personally but I that would certainly be
the intent of wanting to do that. Um,

619
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:14,319
you know, I think, you know, the other
way of looking at certainly in terms of

620
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:19,280
option one, you know, knowing we're
we're losing, you know, a certain amount

621
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:23,680
of renewable energy in terms of how our
usage at the one site, you know,

622
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:27,839
certainly just proceeding with letting
Solar Legacy take those panels off,

623
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:33,040
remove them, and just task staff to find
a way to try to make up that renewable

624
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:36,960
energy is certainly an option as well.
Yeah. And with certainly not without the

625
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:42,720
lot risk, the m the biggest risk is is
the potential capital investment needed

626
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:47,520
to remount these panels, right? For ones
that may have a a a varying useful life

627
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:51,839
depending on their condition, right? Uh
and as well as, you know, an an unknown

628
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:56,480
at this point, an unknown maintenance
and and equipment replacement cost for

629
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,200
those with a variable useful life of how
when do we have to replace inverters,

630
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:03,599
when do we have to replace those other
things. So I I certainly, you know, I I

631
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:07,680
think it's it's just a matter of, you
know, ideally there'd be a way to maybe

632
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:11,440
figure to really reposition and
reutilize these there. Just at this

633
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:15,280
point, we're just not I don't think
staff is going to have

634
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:19,440
enough information to really to be able
to comfortably really recommend that we

635
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:23,760
you we grab these $10,000 is still
$10,000. We could use that money to

636
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:28,319
actually buy renewable energy from, you
know, some, you know, either from NG or

637
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,440
something else if we had to. I I think
it's, you know, from a simplicity

638
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:35,359
standpoint and I think it just knowing
that the goal would still be to

639
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:41,119
eventually as we go forward to enhance
our solar portfolio as we as we replace

640
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,240
these roofs on other facilities, we're
going to get significant more bang for

641
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,680
our buck in terms of the efficiency of
the panel. Yeah. the simplic the

642
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,920
simplicity and consistency of the
maintenance on if we have the same

643
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:57,520
system on all of our roofs rather than
we put one on in 1985, one on in 1992,

644
00:53:55,359 --> 00:54:01,040
one on in 19 they're all they're all
different technology and different

645
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,520
brands and it just creates a maintenance
right issue. Um so I mean right now I

646
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,880
think that would be my we we did
literally and if there just so anyone's

647
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:13,200
wondering so why in the world haven't we
didn't we look at this sooner. Well,

648
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:17,280
when we met with legacy solar call, it
was literally just to discuss the

649
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,240
process for them to remove the panels
cuz that was the contract. That was the

650
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,920
contract in terms of what it said. And
as we kind of were started going around

651
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:28,400
and you know, I think you know, Kurt
from mentioned that there's still useful

652
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:31,520
life available on them. It's okay. Well,
maybe we should at least run it up the

653
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:36,400
poll and see if there's something that
could be done. Uh I unfortunately I

654
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:40,319
think that the the capital cost is my my
personally my main concern of know how

655
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:44,160
whether or not how how we would have the
ability to remake that back without

656
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,760
having some confidence in the in the
reuse of those panels. Yeah. So I think

657
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:51,680
right now certainly my my own
recommendation would be to probably

658
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:55,359
allow Solar Legacy to just take those
off and dispose of them and just direct

659
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:00,640
staff to try to find some way of making
up that electrical cost in the in the

660
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,720
short term someplace.
And I I do appreciate Neil that you've

661
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,000
you know like like the mayor said that
was the contract right that they were

662
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:12,400
just going to dispose of them and then
you're seeing like well you know why not

663
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:18,240
examine why not explore whether we can
get something some electricity back from

664
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:22,240
it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I do I mean so
as attorney Cole said, the decision

665
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:28,800
tonight is to just say, do we want
legacy solar co-op to tear them off and

666
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:33,599
trash them or do we want them to remove
the panels neatly and slowly? Correct.

667
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:40,440
And we are we would be charged the same
amount 10,000 whether they No, it's zero

668
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,440
if they

669
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:49,119
Y
Brian. Uh

670
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:53,920
Dan or Brad or Neil maybe or Bill might
have the answer to this. Um if we buy

671
00:55:51,839 --> 00:56:00,000
them for the 10,000, we store them and
we decide not to move forward, is this

672
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:07,359
something that Wisconsin surplus
takes? I would think.

673
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:10,359
And would the resale value be relatively
costneutral?

674
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:17,680
I mean, with with those auction sites,
the buyer has to pick them up and

675
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:22,000
transport them. My my totally uneducated
assumption would be the cost of

676
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:29,359
transporting them is probably about the
value of the things, but

677
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:34,799
and how old are the panels?
They're 12 years old. They're 12 years

678
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:39,440
old. And I think like the cost of panels
has dropped like by 80% in the past, you

679
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:43,280
know, I mean, five years. the technology
is so different.

680
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:47,280
Um
yeah, but they don't make panels like

681
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:53,200
they used to. I'm just going to be
upfront about that. Um these panels are

682
00:56:50,960 --> 00:57:00,559
designed pretty well. They're pretty
hardy. Uh but they have been weathered

683
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:07,200
and $10,000
is seems cheap for 150 kilowatts worth

684
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:14,160
of energy, but no, it's not. when you
look online for the same size uh same

685
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:21,200
capacity panels, brand new ones are
getting cheaper as they come. So, um and

686
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:27,520
then yeah, just a heads up. So, I don't
think that that was in the memo, but

687
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:32,960
this is 18 skids, 18 uh pallets worth of
panels.

688
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:38,480
So, it's a lot of storage. Yeah.
So, if and Dan knows this but better

689
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:45,920
than anybody, but in terms of where they
need to be stored, 18 pallets worth of

690
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:52,319
panels is not, you know, a small amount.
It's a it takes up a lot of space. Yeah.

691
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:57,280
And in all honesty, with our lack of
indoor storage that we have, um, they're

692
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:00,280
probably going to sit outside under
tarps

693
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:10,000
for a while, you know, for at least a
year. Or in the parks department, new

694
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:16,000
cold storage building. Great.
Before Jake moves his stuff in. Yeah. Uh

695
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:22,319
do Dan or um Brad, do you have any sense
of the auction question? Uh Brian, so

696
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:27,760
whether something like this would be of
value or it would be a break even thing

697
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:32,319
potentially.
I haven't seen equipment like this on

698
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:37,760
the auction. Usually it's uh like
trucks, cars, construction equipment,

699
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:43,839
that sort of thing. never
um ne never a piece of equipment like

700
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:47,440
like a solar panel. So I I really can't
answer that honestly. I would I would

701
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,720
say similar to what we would probably
want to do is we would have before if we

702
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,240
were going to buy these, we would be
having her or someone from Solar Legacy

703
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:59,440
actually come out and give us a
basically a panel by panel evaluation.

704
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,280
This one's this one's at 90%. This one's
shot. this ones. So, there'd have to be

705
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,960
some if I even at auction if I was going
to be buying those, I'd want to see some

706
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:10,880
sort of technical report that gives me
an idea of what that what they can

707
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,960
actually still do.
So, it really could it really could

708
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:21,040
vary, I think, all I don't know. And I
know that uh with a co-op model, there's

709
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:26,720
a different sort of contract between
the, you know, seller and the buyer. Um,

710
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:32,160
but off the top of your head, do you
know if there was any sort of guarantee

711
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:35,760
on the output of the panels? Like like
yeah, like now you can say, well, in

712
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:41,280
year 30 the panels are going to produce
92% of what they produce on year one

713
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:47,040
guaranteed, right? I doubt if that was
probably baked into the contract. It was

714
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:53,200
not. The contract had a um name plate
guarantee when they were put in service

715
00:59:50,160 --> 01:00:00,240
and then the solar legacy was required
to maintain them to that service level

716
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:05,839
but there's no guarantee going you know
once they're removed what they produce.

717
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:10,559
They did say in terms of Mr. Reinhold
from Legacy Solar did say that the

718
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,599
panels would average about a 0.5%
degradation in in efficiency every year.

719
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:21,119
Every year. So over the lifetime of the
panel. Okay. And the lifetime is about

720
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:28,640
30 or And they're 12 years in. 12 years
in. So about halfway. Yeah.

721
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:35,200
Um does the city currently own any pan
panels or are they all through this

722
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:40,000
model? They are all via Legacy. We were
the first uh and we're a rare bird and

723
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:45,119
that we were the first to go with a
third it's a third party the third party

724
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:51,839
installation that doesn't exist anymore
because the PSSE took it away. Okay. So

725
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:55,520
would it be a fair assumption that we
wouldn't be able to perform the

726
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:59,359
maintenance ourselves on these? We would
most likely have to contract it.

727
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:02,799
Absolutely are. Good point. Anyway,
that's then that's an unknown cost at

728
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:07,200
this point,
right?

729
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:12,640
We do have the data at least as of a
couple years ago what the maintenance

730
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:16,960
costs had been you know over a several
year period of time. We knew what Falcon

731
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:24,680
at the time the predecessor to legacy
solar was paying to maintain them so we

732
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,680
could maybe extrapolate with that data.

733
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:34,720
Doug. Yeah. I mean, I think it it'd be a
shame to, you know, get rid of equipment

734
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:40,079
that still has some useful life in it,
but in in this case, we don't not only

735
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:44,160
we're kind of if we approve it tonight,
we'd be kind of gambling $10,000 that we

736
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,000
could that we'll come up with a workable
plan. Well, coming up with a workable

737
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:53,839
plan is going to require a lot of staff
time and money and money to actually

738
01:01:51,280 --> 01:02:00,000
then implement it. So even with the
lower cost, you're still looking at, you

739
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:06,720
know, probably at least 80,000
for the project. It just to me, it just

740
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:10,640
doesn't add up. But I think it'd be
cleaner and simpler and and probably

741
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:17,599
more cost effective to just get rid of
these and

742
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:25,359
you know continue to to look to in the
future to possibly developing our own or

743
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:30,240
buying our own solar panels or but
you know these are like halfway or more

744
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:34,280
through their life. It just
to me that doesn't add up.

745
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:44,480
I mean, I got um one quick point for
everybody just so it I doubt very much.

746
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:48,000
So, I I could be wrong, but I don't
think Solar Legacy Co-op is going to

747
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:54,160
throw these off the roof when we tell
them that we're not re, you know,

748
01:02:49,680 --> 01:03:01,839
purchasing them. and and and you got to
consider the fact that they still own

749
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:05,599
three arrays with the same equipment.
And so if this equipment is in good

750
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,400
shape,
I would think they want to keep a

751
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:17,920
certain surplus of it on hand just in
case they have to replace the other

752
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:24,160
equipment. Um so it, you know, a certain
amount may be trashed. Um, but I I don't

753
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:27,359
think that a I don't think that a good
amount of it will be. I think that

754
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:35,119
they'll keep what they can. I would
assume and then they can store it. Yeah.

755
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:39,200
Yeah. Yeah. Just just a note from to
that point, Brad, that Kurt's last note

756
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,000
was we asked, "Do you have any extra
inverters or the replacement parts that

757
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,359
would come with the purchase of these
panels?" says, "Not on hand, but our

758
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:48,160
maintenance agent can get some of the
other sites that have been

759
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,760
decommissioned or we can scavenge parts
from other sites here in Manona." So,

760
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:55,599
they're already thinking about being
able to reutilize individual components

761
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:01,440
if they need to probably on our probably
on our other systems in the city.

762
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:05,839
I mean, it's it's unfortunate that we
don't have the data

763
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:11,440
and that we can't make a decision based
on data.

764
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:16,000
Um
because you really do have to run the

765
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:21,200
numbers to to understand if this is
worth it or not.

766
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:25,280
I mean, and I mean, technically, even if
if we do decide if the council decides

767
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:28,799
to to not proceed with with acquiring
panels, we could actually still run the

768
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:33,359
analysis and and kind of follow this
through just as a as an exercise to be

769
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:39,039
like this is a this is what would have
happened. Theoretically, we under these

770
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:42,559
assumptions, panels last 10 years, this
much maintenance every year, this, you

771
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,640
know, these this this much of a failure
rate or the degradation, we we could

772
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:50,240
probably we could probably do that work
and model that out if we really wanted

773
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:55,440
to. Uh, still would be a considerable
amount of work, but um, you know, I just

774
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:59,760
think at some at some point, yeah,
without there's even even with a

775
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:04,720
projection, it's still a projection. uh
you know two twothirds of the panels

776
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,880
could go down in one year on a bad storm
if you know this case I don't know if a

777
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:12,720
hail storm hits what is what happens if
it breaks them and knocks them I mean

778
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:17,039
it's you know suddenly now we're the
owners

779
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:20,319
you know so I mean there's an insurance
question that we certainly don't have

780
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:24,240
any information on either it's kind of
one of those things the more you unravel

781
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:28,799
it the more the more things pop up that
would need to be kind of validated I

782
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,880
think
But what we do know is that they make

783
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:38,640
about 150 kilowatts a year. That's all
we know. I mean, we know that, but we

784
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:44,079
just don't know what the what the well
requires. It obviously requires a lot

785
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:48,160
more than that.
Dan, do you have any idea? I mean, if

786
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:54,240
anybody in the room, Dan might have the
best idea. That's kind of tricky. Um, we

787
01:05:51,599 --> 01:06:00,480
we have access to our account and we can
have that that data first thing in the

788
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:09,039
morning. Um, you know, well 3 has its
own meter and we can pull the 2024 data.

789
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:13,119
We can pull uh power consumed January to
today. Yeah. You know, first thing in

790
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:17,599
the morning, but yeah, I don't I don't
have access to it right now. Well, that

791
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:22,079
would be right there. That'll tell you
your return on how many years it's going

792
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,520
to take to pay for the this except we
don't know what it's going to cost. We

793
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:28,799
have to make a maintenance assumption.
We'd have to make a capital assumption

794
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:32,079
on the maintenance. I get but the
maintenance and then building the the

795
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:35,920
ground the ground mount arrays. But then
there's the other question like if those

796
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,240
ground mounts can be built in a forward
compatibility compatible fashion because

797
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:45,359
we're going to be pulling off all the
exact same equipment, the same make and

798
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:49,039
model from the other rooftops,
same inverters, right? I mean, they were

799
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:56,160
all put up in the same year, right?
They're all about the same age. Yes. Um

800
01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:00,880
I don't know. It might be more money
than it's worth, but

801
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,760
it' just be nice to have data to make a
decision on, I guess. Unfortunately,

802
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:13,280
just the the timing just didn't allow us
to I know. I know. Um, so I have one uh

803
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:21,039
question actually uh related to the
panel. So, let's take let's for a minute

804
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:27,839
assume that the council uh goes against
uh what is Brad's recommendation.

805
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:34,000
uh to you know I mean it just uh that's
why we they pay us the big bucks to make

806
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:38,200
the decisions. Um but you know and we go
ahead and we pay $10,000

807
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:46,880
for the panels and then when we do the
figuring right we put them we put them

808
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:53,599
in storage or you know or put them under
tarps or whatever tops as they say in

809
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:57,760
Maine. Um, and then we decide we're not
going to use them because it's too

810
01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:02,400
expensive, right? Does anybody have a
clue of how much it would cost for us to

811
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:07,359
take those panels to the landfill
ourselves since we know it's pretty

812
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,599
expensive to take big stuff to the land?
Right.

813
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:18,480
Bear, if I could add before there's an
answer. Yeah.

814
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:23,440
Um, you know, so am I hearing correctly,
uh, Brad, that if we don't want them, it

815
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:27,759
costs 10,000 to remove, but if we want
them, it cost 40,000 to remove. Well,

816
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:32,000
they they had an updated, uh, note to us
this this afternoon, Dan, that said it

817
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:36,080
was it was it's zero cost to us if they
just remove them and dispose of them.

818
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:40,560
There's no cost, but if we actually want
to acquire the panels, it's $10,000.

819
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:46,239
$40,000 was if they were going to take
them off and then put them back on the

820
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:52,319
public works roof, right? So, Brad Brad
brought up a very good point before that

821
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:56,960
that if we if we choose to not keep them
and relocate them,

822
01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:04,960
they they will use them as inventory to
repair our current setups at the other

823
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:08,640
facilities. So, there you go. Um, so I,
you know, I'm I'm kind of leaning

824
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:16,400
towards I think what Brad is is
suggesting is that we we uh, you know,

825
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:21,520
we don't relocate them to well three,
but we we

826
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:25,920
remove them so that the components can
be used to maintain our current

827
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:31,920
facilities for the next
12 years or, you know, 16 years. Mhm. Um

828
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:35,759
because because if we re relocate them
to well three then then we have

829
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:40,560
obviously we have another set up and
running but then we have no parts to

830
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:44,480
maintain the units that we have at city
hall the library

831
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:52,560
um and obviously well three the current
ones at well three. Yeah. Um so

832
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:59,520
I don't know. I guess that's just my two
cents right there. Yeah.

833
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:03,760
I have a question. um finance and
personnel

834
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:08,960
decided not to make a re recommendation
on this. I'm just curious why. I only

835
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:16,719
saw part of that discussion.
Uh I think it's safe to say uh that that

836
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:20,960
uh although uh you know Doug's one that
made the motion and I second it. Uh but

837
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:25,040
um I think it's safe to say that we just
felt like this was a council decision.

838
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:30,320
It's not it's not just a financial
decision. It's a council decision.

839
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:35,520
Um,
I mean, for myself, I just wasn't

840
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:40,239
convinced enough
that it was a good idea to vote to make

841
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:46,560
a positive recommendation. Yeah. The
10,000 when we learned then that the

842
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:52,159
number was 10 instead of 40, it made it
right more in the realm of right

843
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:59,199
discussion. But
that's Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that I

844
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:04,960
just want to make I just want to make
one point if I could. Yeah. Um, if we

845
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,120
vote it down Yeah. Uh, we don't need to
amend it. But if we are going to vote

846
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:13,600
yes, we probably need to amend the
resolution to change it from 40 to

847
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:17,760
10,000. Yes, that that would be correct,
Aler. If there was going to be if there

848
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:23,440
was a motion to approve, that would be
which it is right now. Yeah. Is that the

849
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:28,239
motion on the floor is approved, right?
And it's a little confusing because it

850
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:33,920
says the acquisition, removal, and
transfer. And we are we are voting to

851
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:38,159
remove conceivably we're voting to
remove which we don't really need to do

852
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:42,080
because and they're coming off. Yeah.
Because there there is no need. This was

853
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:48,000
simply to to store them, maintain them.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that was my

854
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,080
procedural question. Let's see if we we
don't want to go forward to this and we

855
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:56,239
vote this down.
Don't then we don't need to do anything

856
01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:01,199
because per the contract they're coming
off. Correct. Yeah. We've already given

857
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:04,719
them notice to remove the the panels.
That's correct. Okay. Are we going to

858
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:10,800
find are we going to have the same
conversation with the next

859
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:15,280
building where the co-op panels are on
the roof? We probably will, right? At

860
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,159
some point. How far down the road though
will it be at a point where the panels

861
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,120
are still good? Well, whatever that
depending on when the next roof

862
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:25,440
replacement would be would be my my
assumption on that. So, but we're not

863
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,920
sure when that might be. Um, Alder
Bernstein mentioned that the resolution

864
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:35,120
should be amended um with that dollar
change. I would also move to amend it so

865
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:42,400
that we properly
site the name of the company as Legacy

866
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:46,000
Solar Co-op, not Solar Legacy Co-op.
Yeah.

867
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:50,159
If we vote down, we don't need to amend
it. That's true. That's a good point.

868
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:57,600
That's true. Can we Can we call the
question? Yeah. We are we ready? Yeah.

869
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:01,840
Is it a question on the amendment or the
question on the resolution on the

870
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,120
resolution as a whole? And to be clear,
the motion is to approve. So if you do

871
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:10,159
not wish to approve it, you need to vote
nay on this vote.

872
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:16,239
They understand how they want to vote.
Okay. Okay. This is a voice vote, is it

873
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:23,600
not?
It is it's only 10 grand.

874
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:31,840
Uh yeah, the resolution says 40.
Right. Uh so um whereas clause

875
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:38,520
with all the um that I in mind uh all
those in favor say I

876
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,520
opposed.

877
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:49,920
There we go. Okay. The motion is denied.
Got you. Okay. emotion's defeated. So,

878
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:57,120
the panels will come off
and staff will other ways of and the and

879
01:13:52,640 --> 01:14:01,199
the staff will uh continue as as always,
but uh especially knowing that this hole

880
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:08,560
will be there. We'll continue to look
for ways whether it's community solar or

881
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:12,080
green power tomorrow or other ways. Y
good.

882
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:17,719
So, that being the case, we obviously
don't need to be voting on item number D

883
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:28,159
uh because uh it doesn't apply anymore.
Um so, that being the case, uh we're

884
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:32,239
going to move to H course of committees,
commissions, boards, mayor, city

885
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:36,239
administrator, city attorney, department
manager, sustainability efforts,

886
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:41,679
diversity, equity, inclusion.
I'm going to start on this end. Rachel.

887
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Um, I don't have anything to share.
Public or parks and wreck did not meet

888
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:52,880
last week and public safety is upcoming
next week.

889
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:58,080
And have you been to the pool yet? I
have been to the pool. And how was it?

890
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:02,719
Many times.
I was actually just there earlier before

891
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,640
this meeting. It was wonderful. Yeah.
Good. Good. Glad to hear it.

892
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:13,640
um landmark spee
uh

893
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:23,960
at least one application to designate uh
landmark and a few other items.

894
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,960
That's it.

895
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:34,000
Brian, uh ZBA meets on Thursday night.
We have, I believe, one application.

896
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:40,480
That's it. Okay, Teresa. Um just
something from the transit committee. Um

897
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:46,320
Madison Metro does not uh operate on uh
the 4th of July um throughout the city

898
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:50,800
of Manona and um
but for the third of the July 3rd of

899
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:56,640
July when it would normally operate
there will be a detour because of the

900
01:15:53,199 --> 01:16:04,960
community festival. So, the metro buses
are still going to run east and west on

901
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:12,719
Dean and Nicholls, but the north south
connector road is going to be McKenna

902
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:16,960
Road for just just the 3rd of July. Um,
as and if you want to understand other

903
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:21,920
aspects of the holiday schedule that
Metro has, you can find that on their

904
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:27,360
website. Um,
sustainability did not meet since our

905
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:31,760
last uh council meeting. Um, nor did
public works and community media did

906
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:37,840
meet, but we didn't have a quorum. So,
um, we'll just talk about budget items

907
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:41,360
next time we get together. And, uh,
thank you to the mayor for mentioning

908
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:48,239
Junth. I was just going to mention um
under the general sustainability section

909
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:54,000
of the agenda that uh this week is um
the federal uh national pollinator week.

910
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:57,280
Exciting stuff, right? Um and I just
want to say thank you to our parks and

911
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,800
recck department and public works
department. I don't know if it's the

912
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:05,360
weather, the sunshine, whatever it is,
but everywhere I go, I see tons of

913
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:10,960
clover in the grass everywhere. So, I
know that our parks have long um

914
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:18,120
refrained from spraying chemicals on our
parkland, and I really appreciate um I

915
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:18,120
appreciate that they do that.

916
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:29,840
Rick,
um see library board meets tomorrow

917
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:35,120
night and senior citizens will have
their first meeting in a while at 5:00

918
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:43,400
pm on the 26th.
Okay, that's my report. Okay, thank you.

919
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,400
Um, Chief,

920
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:54,800
hello everyone. Hello. Good evening.
Hello. I'm wide awake if you couldn't

921
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:59,760
tell. Um, all right. Well, first I want
to thank everyone uh for uh providing us

922
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,960
with uh very in this community for
providing us with uh good training money

923
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:09,120
so that we can send officers to
specialized training. Officers that have

924
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,760
been here for all of their careers have
not been able to attend certain

925
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:16,000
specialized training. And so we've been
able to do that. But on uh June 9th,

926
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:19,760
which was last week, I believe at this
point, um we had uh our department

927
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:24,880
training for the first time in the
history of our department. and the mayor

928
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:28,480
was able to to show up and uh share some
very kind words and officer Hoffman on

929
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:33,199
the way here just spoke on that and how
much uh the department appreciates that

930
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:37,920
too representing uh all of you. So uh
thank you. It was very productive

931
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,920
training. It was it was good for um just
training in general but also morale and

932
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:48,480
getting everyone in the same room and
having uh the same conversations and so

933
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:52,000
it was it was uh very much appreciated.
Okay. Um, and then the second, this is

934
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:57,440
one of the first of many, many, many
PSAs that I will be doing uh leading up

935
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:05,280
to the community festival in regards to
parking, right? Um, so um we were sort

936
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:13,040
of uh risking our luck um as all of you
know, uh traffic gets a little wonky

937
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:18,159
come uh July 4th, uh u close to the
fireworks, typically the last couple

938
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:22,800
hours leading up to the fireworks. Um
the chief and I and and other staff, we

939
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:29,840
discussed and brainstormed sort of what
we can do um to help alleviate that. We

940
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:34,800
were risk in essence playing Russian
roulette um with the fire apparatus and

941
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:38,880
an ambulance not being able to get from
point A to point B in our city during

942
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:44,080
that time frame. Roughly two hours to
three hours during that time frame. And

943
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:48,400
so um under my authority um we're going
to do a an area which will be posted.

944
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:53,120
we'll share with our local media
friends. Um it's in the upcoming

945
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:56,239
newsletter. Um we'll we're going to do a
video on it. We're going to do as much

946
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,280
as we can to advertise and for those all
of you who live in Manona with friends

947
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:03,679
and family that are planning to come
over potentially plan accordingly

948
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:10,640
because we're going to no post a large
segment of the the city um around Winna

949
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:15,120
Park. Um no parking one side of the
street.

950
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:20,400
Right. So I I get a lot of questions or
I've gotten a couple questions. So, why

951
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:24,000
no parking? Um, it's because if we no
park one side of the street and you have

952
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:28,480
folks that are driving through or trying
to get to your homes to celebrate the

953
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:32,640
event, there's at least space for people
to pull over for that firet truck or

954
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:36,640
that ambulance or that police car that's
trying to get through. Um, in years

955
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:41,280
past, I've been here four years now, so
three years I've seen this, there's no

956
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:48,000
way that a fire engine is going to get
to a fire in this community. Okay? So,

957
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:54,000
this is out of necessity. Um, uh, public
apologies to, uh, the event organizer

958
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:58,880
who, uh, sort of got, I guess, late
notice of this. Um, but I'm hopeful that

959
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:03,199
most people will start paying attention
to how they're going to get here and

960
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:07,760
park within the next couple weeks. So,
we're going to do a big push um, to

961
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:11,360
advertise and to make sure first of all
residents are aware. Second of all,

962
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:17,120
those who are coming to celebrate with
us are aware as well. So, I can't answer

963
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:21,440
any questions here right now, but if you
have any um please come to me or we can

964
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:27,120
put it on the agenda for discussion at
the next meeting. Yeah, I can I can

965
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:34,640
vouch for personally, you know, how bad
it gets. I mean, good point. It gets

966
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:39,760
total gridlock on at 9:00 like on my
street also on McKenna and that's a very

967
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:44,480
wide road. Yeah. So the pulsings will be
if you look north and south starting

968
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:50,640
from Dean stretching to right about
where Winn Road uh starts to go south um

969
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:55,360
all the way to Taniwa
and right up until Scoffield. So all of

970
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:00,719
those some of those as you know are
already no park on one side um McKenna

971
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:04,880
like like you were speaking for you and
um the other older person that lives on

972
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:09,360
that road uh that'll be no park. So
everything in between will be no park on

973
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:11,520
one side of the street. And um it it's
not going to be the same side of the

974
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,440
street. We're actually going to look at
the geography and figure out how many

975
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:19,840
driveways. We want to count and get as
many parking spots as we can and and

976
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:23,600
make good use of of parking. Um so
you'll just have to pay attention to the

977
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:27,520
signs which will be clearly posted and
again advertised prior to the event.

978
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:32,800
Chief, can you kind of say that again?
Like with the Winna Park sort of being

979
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:39,040
like, you know, ground zero and then how
far out from Winna are you doing the

980
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:43,920
park only on one side? It is a
zero if if you can imagine. I have it

981
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:49,199
here and it will be posted. Yeah. Um but
I'll describe it to you. Um as far north

982
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:53,760
as Dean Avenue, which is already one
park, no park on one side anyway. Yeah.

983
01:22:51,440 --> 01:23:01,520
as far as south where Winnipa starts
turning to the east and right before it

984
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:05,520
goes back south again um is when is is
that's how far south it's going to go if

985
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:12,159
you can imagine that right
far west as Tanya

986
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:15,760
and far east as scullfield.
So when you look at a map, we have long

987
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:20,880
blocks here. I understand you're really
only looking like, you know, two blocks

988
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:27,600
north of Nicholls, block south of
Nicholls, and then um the whole area

989
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:33,120
leading up to Tania like Baskerville,
Matthews,

990
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:38,400
where people really just like Alder Wood
experiences, they really park folks in

991
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:44,639
on that side of the the city, too. Yes.
So, I'd rather not have fire engines

992
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:50,239
physically moving vehicles to get to,
heaven forbid, a house fire. But you all

993
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:54,880
know it's a battle um for us to address
illegal fireworks in this community on

994
01:23:51,760 --> 01:24:01,199
the 4th of July. All we need is a dry
July 4th and um a leaf on a roof and

995
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:06,159
firework exploding, we have a bad day.
So, we're hoping to avoid that with some

996
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:10,639
PSAs. But um also, heaven forbid we do
have to respond. We want to be able to

997
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:14,239
get there.
I don't know if I'm allowed I don't know

998
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:19,840
if this is technically a question or a
statement, but um I live on Maywood,

999
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:27,920
which is already one parking side, and
um it gets parked on both sides during

1000
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:32,639
that event. So um I guess just a warning
that enforcement will

1001
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:37,600
be high
um in order to get this accomplished. I

1002
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:43,040
appreciate that comment. Uh we will have
an arm of parking enforcement between

1003
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:46,719
our community service officer and police
who will be ticketing. And we will have

1004
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:52,880
our partners, contracted partners at
Precision Towing that will be removing

1005
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:56,159
vehicles, sighting and towing. And I
hope we don't have to do that to anyone.

1006
01:24:54,480 --> 01:25:00,000
That's why I hope that a lot of our PSAs
out there, neighbors see folks, they

1007
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:04,320
yell, "Hey, you can't park there." That
sort of thing. Um, but in our

1008
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:08,159
experience, all it takes is for one car
to get told or folks to see that and

1009
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:12,159
they'll probably get the message. I'm
hoping we don't go there, but we're

1010
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:16,239
we're prepared to tow. Um, and they're
going to be towed to a legal spot in the

1011
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:23,080
city. Um, which unfortunately on July
4th probably means a husk,

1012
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,080
but at least that's not at impound.

1013
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:29,280
Okay. Um,
yeah, I just want to say, you know,

1014
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:35,280
obviously we're going to be getting the
word out, uh, via all of our media

1015
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:43,920
channels, uh, as well. Um, and I know
the community festival will too. Um

1016
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:49,440
and they've identified some lots
uh like the school lots for instance are

1017
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:54,000
all on board and may and and uh parks
and recreation has given permission for

1018
01:25:51,120 --> 01:26:00,080
the this festival to use Maywood the
Maywood lot the front of Maywood lot uh

1019
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:03,120
for some not for pedestrian parking but
for vendor parking which is also

1020
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:09,280
important because they have to have some
place to go. Uh and we're still working

1021
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:13,120
on some other things. So, um
I would just encourage, you know, use

1022
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:19,360
your media channels as well and
encourage people to ride their bikes or

1023
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:22,880
walk. Absolutely. Because you know, um
it's just a important reality and we'll

1024
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,800
probably do an alert too, right?
Probably do alerts. Absolutely. Yeah. Um

1025
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:30,800
from the city's website. So, yeah. I
mean, we're going to be in the radio.

1026
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:34,480
We're going to create uh Will is helping
us create a video. I mean, we're really

1027
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:39,840
doing all I all we can. So, it's a
matter of folks just didn't look at

1028
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:45,520
anything um and showed up, which is
going to happen, but the signs will be

1029
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:50,880
clearly obvious about no parking. And
so, you run the risk at that point.

1030
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:57,280
Okay. Thank you. And I and I would just
say uh I very much appreciated going

1031
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:02,000
down to to greet the greet everyone. And
it made me realize as your mayor that I

1032
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:09,760
need a cheat sheet. I need a picture of
your entire force with the names because

1033
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:14,159
I cannot remember 18 names at once. You
don't see them too much. The evening

1034
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:18,400
shift folks are hard to We just took on
a new chaplain. He asked for that. What

1035
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:23,120
I'll do tomorrow, I'll send that to all
of you so that you all have faces,

1036
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:27,239
names, emails. That's great. All right.
Thank you all. Thanks, Chief

1037
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:34,000
Elen.
Um, board of review is Wednesday

1038
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:40,560
starting at 6 PM. Notices were due to me
at 6 PM today because I'll be working on

1039
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:46,080
the agenda after this meeting.
Thank you, Bill.

1040
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:54,080
Just to add to Alen's report on board
review, we did receive objections again

1041
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:59,440
this year from um Walmart and Walgreens
as we have in the years past. Um, so

1042
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:05,120
just to point out to any of the
residents, you know, unless and until

1043
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:10,159
the legislature fixes this, cities like
Manona are continuing to receive these

1044
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:16,719
objections uh from these large corporate
entities and we we are dealing with

1045
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:22,639
them. Um, but it is they they continue
to occur. I I think this is for Walmart.

1046
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:28,400
I think we have four years of objection
now in the courts. So, it's it it's a

1047
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:33,639
problem that hopefully the legislature
fixes.

1048
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:33,639
Unbelievable.

1049
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:43,520
Neil, I have no updates on there. So,
I'm back from vacation. So, there we go.

1050
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:52,800
Uh,
I have no updates either. um

1051
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:58,719
no updates on it, but I would uh since
we won't have another meeting until

1052
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:03,760
after the 4th, correct?
I just want to wish everybody a happy

1053
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:09,120
Fourth of July
vacation and safe

1054
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:14,159
uh vacation.
And will that we have two two

1055
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:23,280
appointments and sorry uh yes we do have
two appointments. Um uh so going to um

1056
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:27,280
two appointments. Do I have a motion to
approve the two appointments? Gwen

1057
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:31,520
Pagburn to public safety committee and
Jennifer Kerr to public works committee.

1058
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:38,159
Both effective immediately.
I'll move to approve. I'll second. All

1059
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:43,280
those in favor say I. I. I. We are
approved. Thank you. Now I will take a

1060
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:50,960
motion to adjurnn. Move to adjourn.
Second. All those in favor say I. I. I.

1061
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:56,239
We are adjourned. Thank you. Good night
everyone. Thank you. Good night aller.

1062
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,239
Thanks.