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It is 6.30 and we'll call the City of Monroe Common Council to order and please rise for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation of the God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

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And at this time, we'll have roll call, please.

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All their toll men here, all their chronic here, all their Cleveland here, all their Grenzou, all their true heart, all their Miller, here, all their Warrantweiler,

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All there no here and all the shaffer here, okay and all our present is there any the corrections of the minutes of October 7th, 2024.

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Any corrections hearing none they will stand approved as presented.

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Are there any presentations of petitions and communication?

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No, okay. All right. And moving on to the business by the mayor. I do have a letter that I'd like to read. It's from

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Noreen Rutgers. It says, Dear Mayor Douglas, on behalf of Cheese Days, I would like to thank you for the excellent assistance we received from so many of the departments within the city of Monroe.

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Every encounter was positive and every department head was always ready to help.

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Of course a lot of things happened during the festival weekend but most people would be surprised

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to know that your department heads began planning and strategizing months in advance.

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They cooperate and communicate with each other and with us at Tuesdays.

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All of these efforts add up to a festival that Monroe in Green County can be proud of Nareen Rutter.

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So, thank you department heads and thank you to the community, it was a wonderful event.

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So, even if we didn't have them for eight, right?

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So, and at this time I'm going to read this is in order to ensure a fair and efficient

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public hearing this evening we are setting expectations and rules of procedure.

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If you are here to participate in the public hearing for the discussion of fluoride or

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shared ride taxi rates please sign in ahead of time with the clerk and that's

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clerk right there and your name will be called in order you signed in during the

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public hearing of that topic not the general public comment each participant

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should state their name and address in any organization or group you are

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are representing.

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You will have three minutes to speak.

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Attorney Bartoff will warn you at two minutes

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and three minute mark.

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In respect of all of your and our time,

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please consider a representative for shared opinions

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and avoid being repetitive of all the same information.

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The council has also had multiple opinions and information shared with them through other methods prior to the council meeting.

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Those are equally considered and we have quite a pile of that we have.

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Council members please allow each council member their turn to speak prior to speaking a second time.

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Please stick to the topic, be concise and absent of personal attacks.

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If the decision not to continue fluoridation is recommended, that will be subject to

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another public hearing following a recommendation by judiciary and ordinance.

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So, you all understand that, thank you.

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Okay, moving on.

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Is there any appearance by

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Thank you.

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Let's see, yep, right here, by the citizens, other than the public hearing. So this is if anybody

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wants to speak, there are city resident just on anything but fluoride or but taxi cab. So if you want

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to speak on anything else, this is your time.

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Okay. All right. And any appearances by property owners

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business owners for the city okay hearing none we'll move on to the consent

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agenda do I have a motion to approve do I have a second I'll second okay on

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favor say aye

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and oppose no and the clerk will call the roll older tomen I

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Aye. Older Cranig. Aye.

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Older Cleveland. Aye.

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Older Grinzo. Aye.

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Older Truhart. Aye.

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Older Miller. Aye.

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Older Wharton-Wyler. Aye.

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Older Noel. Aye.

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Older Schaefer. Aye.

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Yes, yes.

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Are there any comments or questions about the Treasurer's report?

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Do you all receive the Treasurer's report at a time?

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Hearing none?

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We don't know that.

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We don't know much. No.

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will move on to the Board of Public Works.

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At this time, we'll hold the public hearing, the discussion on probable action regarding

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the ordinance 8-4-10, the Florida Nation of the City of Monroe Water Supply.

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Can I just make a quick comment?

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So I'll be taking time.

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At two minutes, I'll probably go like that something like this to let you know I have two minutes.

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At three minutes, I'm going to be doing something like this.

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If you go too far, I'm going to step in.

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People, if they're on the line, of course, I'll

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have to probably just say two minutes,

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and then either your time to wrap up.

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You'll have to, on the microphone, there's

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a little button on down below.

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You'll see the red light.

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The red light means that everybody can hear you on the mic.

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I think it goes off.

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So you just got to make sure the red light's there so everybody

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can hear.

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I'll be assisting the clerk with calling the names and I apologize if I mispronounce

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and I might need some help in sometimes reading the penmanship but first off we'll start

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with Gwen Busby.

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Hi I'm Gwen Busby my address is 161616th Street in Monroe and I just wanted

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to come to express my strong support of keeping fluoride in the water because it's safe and effective

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about preventing cavities, especially for young children, which is really important to me.

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If you choose to remove flared from the water, families will have to choose between either

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purchasing expensive flared supplements, or just getting more cavities that would have been

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preventable, and with things being more expensive, like a lot of people are concerned with cost

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of living, I think that's a major issue in addition to just negative health outcomes

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of having cavities.

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So, thank you.

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Next up is Noah Hibberd.

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Okay.

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Hi, my name is Noah.

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I live at 26, 18, 11th Avenue in Monroe.

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I'm a city of Monroe resident and it would be a mistake to remove a flow ride from our drinking

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water.

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I grew up in the country without access to a floridated water and my teeth suffered because

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of it.

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I did some fluoride treatments, but it doesn't compare to having a constant study supply of it.

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It isn't as simple as, oh, you just get some more cavities.

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Well, if you're a young child and you get a cavity, well, that only lasts for so many years.

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Then you need to get another cavity.

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You can only fill a cavity so many times before you need a crown or a rug canal or something.

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So the costs really add up when you start that track really early on in life.

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I have a young daughter and I'm glad that she has access to a floridated water in our in our city our trust

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I trust our local dentists and our health professionals that believe that floridated water is best

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Thank you for the health of our community. I urge the city council members to listen to our local health leaders and support keeping Florida in the water. Thank you.

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Next up, it's a D.C. of the initials 13-10-19th Street,

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I can't read that, shall I?

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You can do that, yeah.

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Don Collins, 13-10-19th street mineral, I would say to remove this stuff, it's poison.

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People that have spoke in favor of it, obviously, don't know the true ramifications of it.

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It's actually bad for your teeth.

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And since it's in the toothpaste, why do they have to have it in the water?

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not only do you drink it, you sit in it and soak it in the tub, it soaks in your body, it accumulates over years

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causes bone problems, thyroid problems, and

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You know, I could have brought a stack of papers on that

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Which I'm sure you've already gotten plenty of

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You know, just think about that when you vote your little grandkids and kids sitting playing with the rubber ducky in the tub, soaking all that up in their bodies and

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It's not good

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God didn't make it. Don't take it. Don't need it

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Next is Peggy Frint,

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2826 for Streton Monroe.

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I have been a resident of Monroe for my entire life.

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I am in favor of continuing the Cuthmunity Florida Water Program.

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I have been drinking this fluoride-fluorid-gated, sorry, water since I was born.

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I drank our city water when I was pregnant with my two sons.

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I used it to mix their formula and prepare their meals.

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They brushed their teeth daily.

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I also took them to the dentist regularly.

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I realize this is an advantage that all moms can provide for their children, whether due

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to financial or insurance reasons or struggles of other life factors.

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I am glad our community has a fluoride program that is available to benefit all children

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and residents of Monroe.

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My children I have great dental health in part because of this program.

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It is safe and effective.

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We have never had any side effects or adverse reactions from fluoride.

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Scientific research shows its benefits with no evidence of harmful effects.

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Good dental health also positively promotes one's body's physical well-being.

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I would like to thank all the dentists here for their advocacy.

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For them, this isn't about money.

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If it were, they would recommend to take fluoride out.

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It would increase tooth decay and the procedures needed to fix it.

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They are here because they have dedicated their lives to their patients well-being, service

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to the community, community, and science.

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We are here because they are here because they know the difference a healthy smile can

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make in people's lives.

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They see firsthand every day the impact of fluoride in promoting good, oral, and overall

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health.

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City Council members, please vote to continue this important public health program.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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evening, my name is Janelle Actol, I am an owner and provider at Actol Family

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Dentistry and our address is 912-16th Avenue here in Monroe. I am a dentist and a mom and

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I support continuing community water fluoridation in Monroe. For every parent out there you know how

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viscerally important it is to keep your child healthy and I am no different. My family lives in the

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country and we do not have fluoride in our water source. When my four children were little,

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I would buy fluoride water from Walmart and refill the jugs in town to put in their

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sippy cups. And now I encourage them to fill their water bottles at school to have the

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advantages of the well-balanced, safe, and dependable municipal fluoridated water.

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My children have benefited from this. They have developed strong, healthy enamel on their teeth

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that will carry them through their lifetime. As a dentist, I have served Monroe in the surrounding

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communities for the past 17 years. I read peer-reviewed journals in my industry

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from the American Dental Association and trust the scientific research reported

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by the American Academy of Pediatrics, who in 2024 still recommends drinking

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optimally-forilated water to prevent dental disease.

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And the U.S. Public Health Service and the Center for Disease Control,

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this is a natural mineral that is safe like calcium. If there was ever

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a credible and statistically significant and repeatable study that showed community

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water fluoridation at the low level of .7 parts per million concentration if it ever

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So that it was harmful, I would change my practice. I would change what I feed my own children. My family is one of the lucky ones. I am informed, educated, and able to access floridated water for their health. However, in my nearly 20 years of dental practice, I have seen the devastation of dental disease. This doesn't only attack children, it attacks committee, all the community. I have sent out, I think, some slides

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for all of you to see, but I wanted to share that cavities don't only mean fillings.

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They can be pain, loss of sleep, appetite, loss of school.

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Parents lose time at work to take children into the dental offices.

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There can be increased cavities and permanent teeth when there's poor development or poor

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fluoride exposure and expensive hospitalizations in ER visits.

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benefits. When I see advanced dental disease in children, I utilize local pediatric dentists

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in our area. In Jainsville and Madison, I talked to them last week. For a child to see

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a dentist in an OR operating room, it can be between $10,000 and $20,000 for their dental

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needs. And they're not even seeing available appointments available until December.

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Let's get ahead.

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All right.

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For the health of our community, please follow the science and the professionals in this

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field to vote and continue to, to, to, to Florida, our community water.

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In Monroe.

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Thank you.

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Joan?

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Joan Roophenak.

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am Joan Wynn Roophenak and I'm from Loyodo, Scanson.

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I grew up in Loyoda.

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I now live at 9234th Street.

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in Monroe, right across from Parkside School, and I love being in Monroe, and I love

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the fact that after I moved here 45 years ago, there is fluoride in the water

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because I growing up in Wyoda, me and my brothers and sisters, all had, I hate to

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tell you this, horrible dental.

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I mean, our teeth was all jeopardized.

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By the fact, we had no fluoride in our rural water

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on the fireman, Wyoda.

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So my sister was just telling me that she worked

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for the school system in Darlington for 16 years,

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and she had to put little mouthwash and paper cups

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every morning for the children to rinse their mouth out and then give them a

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little paper towel to dry their mouth because they needed that the fluoride in

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the mouthwash for their teeth because most of them are rural. So that's really

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all I have to say. Thank you. So I wish that you would leave the fluoride in the

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water system. Thank you.

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Luke Buholzer.

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Luke Buholzer, 2708, 22nd Avenue, Minerale. So, again,

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I'm a lifelong resident of Minerale. I'm a fourth-generation cheese maker at Klondike Cheese.

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I'm part of the ownership. So, I'll bring a little bit different perspective than everyone else.

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Well, I believe we should have fluoride.

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We struggle to bring people to our community

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to fill job vacancies.

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And that's a daily struggle with a lot of the companies

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in town.

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We're not alone.

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Removing fluoride from our water source

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will make us less attractive to families

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that want to come and live in barrel and set up their life.

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And we need those, and I personally believe it's a helpful thing to have in the water supply.

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But to have something that tells people they shouldn't live here because it will make

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their families less healthy, I think would be a great detriment to the community.

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Thank you for your time.

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Jerry

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Whitney.

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Hi, my name is Jerry Whitney. I live on 812 21st Street.

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As a resident of the city, I want to share my concerns regarding the potential removal fluoride from our water. It's difficult for me to see this issue unfold because I trust the professionals in the dental and public health communities who have dedicated themselves to improving our health. Many of these agencies, funded by our taxes, continue to support water fluoridation based on years of careful research. Why is this decision being made?

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and hastily without actual directives from regulatory bodies telling us to stop adding

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fluoride to the water. I don't think there has been enough opportunity for residents

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to be involved in this decision. It feels like decisions are being made behind closed

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doors with limited opportunities for city residents to have a say. We deserve to be part of

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this conversation. I believe our community values open dialogue and more public input.

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But like surveys, newsletters, and publicity about this would help us feel included in this

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important decision.

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As an administrator in the dental field, I see the struggles family face in accessing

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timely dental care already, and I can't imagine how much crazier it would be if the need

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for dental treatment increases in our community.

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Our clinic is already booking new patients into February, and I hear it from the patients

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students who are calling that many other local dentists are at full capacity also.

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Working parents often don't have a hard time finding appointments that don't interfere

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with work or their children's school schedules, and I know it's hard when kids have to miss

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school for treatment.

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I also understand how expensive dental care can be, and I see firsthand how dental insurance

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often falls short in helping families cover the costs.

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Florida water is a simple cost-effective way to help reduce dental expenses

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especially for those already finding it hard to afford care. Removing it could

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add more financial strain on families. I hope we can continue to focus on what

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benefits our city in the long run protecting our residents' dental health in

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any way possible including keeping water for our nation. Thank you.

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Carey Spencer?

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening on behalf of Wisconsin the

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Department of Health Services, my name is Kerry Spencer, and I'm the Oral Health Prevention

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Program Coordinator for the Division of Public Health.

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My work entails oral health prevention across our state, including community water flirtation.

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In this role, my responsibility is to serve as the liaison between DHS and the Department

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of Natural Resources.

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You've heard and received a lot of information about flirtation.

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I want to share information regarding the regulation and safety.

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As with many substances and high concentrations, they can be hazardous to human health, and

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the correct concentrations, they're therapeutic.

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Fluoride is no different.

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This is why there's regulations and safety protocols in place to ensure proper handling

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and dosage.

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In Wisconsin, these regulations are set and monitored by the DNR following EPA and OSHA guidance, thus

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ensuring protocols are being followed by operators to ensure public safety.

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Water operators test the natural levels of fluoride present in a well to calculate the appropriate

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dosage and feed rates to achieve the optimal level of 0.7.

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In Monroe, there's five wells, wells three and seven are newer wells that have raw water

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samples confirming the natural levels are 0.11.

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The DNR regulates fluoride at 0.6 to 0.8 and levels below 0.7 do not provide oral health

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benefits necessary for oral disease prevention.

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It impacts the health impacts fall quickly when levels are not maintained.

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While I'm not aware this is ever happened in Monroe, if levels ever go above 2.0 due

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to a system over a feed or equipment malfunction, there are protocols in place for such situations.

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They require public notice and other steps to ensure public safety.

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Communities that Florida do require daily testing.

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the results are logged, submitted to the DNR, DHS and the CDC.

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Once a month, split samples are taken and verified by an independent lab.

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Fluorid additives used in water fluoridation meet the standards of the American Water Works Association,

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the NSF International and the American National Standards Institute.

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Personal protective equipment, proper ventilation, and chemical storage and more are to ensure operator safety.

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This is similar to a dental professional

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wearing personal protective equipment

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when performing procedures that contain bodily fluids.

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Multiple professions have risk associated

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with performing job duties,

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but the proper equipment and protocol.

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Calls allow them to do their job safely. I hope the information shared with you tonight helps provide reassurance of proper protocols and safety measures to ensure safe drinking water for the residents of Monroe. Public health measures are to promote health for everyone in your community for years to come. Thank you.

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I'm a family medicine physician and a health advisor for Green County but today I speak on my own behalf.

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Fluoridation opponents may not appreciate the frequency and severity of dental disease and its harm to general health.

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I see this every day in my practice.

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More than half of children aged six to eight have cavities in their baby teeth.

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And children from low-income families are twice as luckily to have cavities than children in high-income households.

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Nearly 90% of adults have had decay in their teeth.

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Children growing up in areas with Florida to water have better dental health than those

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without.

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At all ages, tooth decay is reduced by about 25% and the proportion of children with no

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decay is about 15% higher in those unflornated areas.

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A study in Alaskan children showed that kids living in non-flornated areas had 32% higher

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rates of decay, missing, or filled teeth and kids in Florida.

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Unfortunately, in my practice, I see the other side of this when patients come in with

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poor dentition and related health concerns.

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Frequently, patients will come in with dental pain from infections, and I will prescribe

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antibiotics to bridge them until they can see a dentist.

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Weight times to see a dentist can be several months, especially for those in Medicaid or

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rural areas, these are even longer.

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Unfortunately, while they wait, people are at increased risk of complications.

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These can include bloodstream infection, heart valve infections, heart disease, worsening

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control of underlying diabetes, chronic pain, or impregnant women, even premature birth.

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People with dental pain find it difficult to chew, and the pain disrupts learning, sleet

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mood, countless other things.

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Everyday ICU patients were unable to eat nutritious diets and participate in social activities

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because they have lost their teeth.

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Those with missing or decayed teeth often feel self-conscious or unwilling to smile.

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I also have patients who have had delayed medical treatments as they await

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for dental extractions due to fractured or infected teeth. The rate of these

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conditions is troublesome and problematic even with fluoridated water. I'm very

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concerned about the downstream effects of potentially removing fluoridated water

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and decreasing tooth decay as this helps with these complications.

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fluoride in toothpaste and applications that the dentist or in the office of my

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My office is not enough to prevent these.

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Community Water Floor Nation is safe and effective.

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For every dollar that we invest as a city, $32 is saved in avoiding treatment of cavities.

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The safe citizens time out of work, out of school.

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Dental disease is costly and accumulates over time.

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Young children and those with disabilities often require general anesthesia for dental work

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increasing the cost of the procedures.

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I would also like to take just a moment of my remaining time to thank you all on the City Council.

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You have such a vital role in our community and you work countless hours behind the scenes to make mineral better.

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I hope today that you vote so that we can continue to move our community forwards and not backwards.

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Please trust the experts in the science so that our citizens can continue to receive safe effective doses of fluoride in their water.

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Thank you.

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Don Golechson.

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Hi, I'm Don Golechson.

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I live at N-33-09 Monroe, Sylvester Road in Monroe.

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I am a registered dental hygienist here in Monroe at the dental house.

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And I'm also here representing my children who reside half of the time in Monroe

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and go to the Monroe schools.

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I've worked in the dental field in this town for 25 years.

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I have a strong passion for keeping fluoride in our municipal water.

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I've seen the benefits of fluoride in the water and I have seen the consequences of

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not having fluoride in the drinking water.

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I'm not here to change anyone's mind on how they feel about fluoride, which is a mineral

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that is found naturally in lakes, rivers, and groundwater.

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I'm here to encourage the council to hear from the experts before making any decisions about

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removing the fluoride from the water.

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This is a public health matter and one that should not be taken lightly.

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The right research needs to be reviewed.

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You don't need to be bullied or scared into making any hasty decisions.

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You need to fully understand what could and will happen if the fluoride is removed.

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You can google anything these days and get research on what you want to hear or what someone may want you to believe.

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But I believe in the science and I re-

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We lie on the science every day to prove or disprove practices. Can you without a doubt based on what you've seen thus far prove that it is the Florida and our water, causing these potential neurological issues, thyroid issues, and whatever else the fan is making claims on? Can you be sure that it is not contributed to our diet such as fast food, pesticides, energy drinks, sodas? I could play the devil's advocate on and on. If Florida is so dangerous, then why would we be okay with the point two

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parts for a million in our natural water supply. Will the city be publicly

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funding the reverse osmosis of our water to be rid of all of it? Are those who

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deeply care about the fluoride being in our water planning to stop filtering

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their water or stop drinking bottled water if it is removed? Can't it just be as

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simple as those that don't want it just don't drink the water? Water

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fluoridation benefits children and adults alike in preventing tooth decay

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removing it could lead to more tooth decay in children resulting in lost days

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of school, hospitalizations, high doses of prescribed medications, and premature

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tooth loss that it can affect them for years to come.

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Not to mention the unplanned expenses to families that are already struggling to make

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ends meet.

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I know you have been told that there is research showing just the opposite, but are you sure

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that that research is valid?

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You need experts to know this, people that are qualified to analyze research.

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I don't go to my mechanic to find out if my heart is healthy.

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Therefore, I am requesting a workshop so that you can hear from professionals who analyze

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this research that can explain the research to you so that you can make an informed decision.

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Thank you.

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Laura Hibberd.

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Hello.

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I'm Dr. Laura Hibberd, a local dentist and mother living in the city and seeing patients

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from the city of Monroe.

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Growing up outside the city, I drank water and by the time I was in elementary school,

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I had a mouthful of cavities.

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It was painful.

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It was scary and it left me with a fear of the dentist.

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In contrast, my friends who lived in town with access to the Florida water didn't face

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the same struggles like I did.

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Their visits were positive with no cavity awards and good news.

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I see patients every day who have severe dental fear because of all the work they needed as a kid

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and I think we should do everything we can to reduce their need for treatment at all.

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I want the best cavity reduction for my own daughter here.

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The local dental professionals all here know that fluoride in the water helps our patients.

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That's why I handed you the packet of the dental letter because I didn't see it published on the agenda.

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We can tell the difference in the cavity risk for those who aren't drinking the fluoridated water,

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but we're not trained researchers to be able to extract the percentages that you want to see.

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What we do have is years of experience and our first hand results that we see in our

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own patient's mouth.

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We hope that we've earned your trust as your dentist, and it's really disheartening to

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see the lack of trust in the professionals that have dedicated their lives to the service

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of their patients.

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You might be wondering why toothpaste alone isn't enough.

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Rushing with fluoride toothpaste helps, but it returns the saliva concentration to baseline

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within one to two hours.

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The water on the other hand, when someone's drinking it all day long, provides a consistent

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low level of fluoride throughout the day, and that gets secreted throughout your saliva.

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It offers better overall protection against tooth decay, and particularly for those who

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might not brush consistently or effectively.

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For example, we don't recommend large amounts of toothpaste we use for toddlers and infants

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because they could swallow those concentrations all at once.

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But those little ones still develop or benefit from the low level of fluoride that's added

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to the water because it gets an incorporated into their developing teeth.

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Basically, you need both things.

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You need a toothpaste and the water for the most protection.

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2018 cross-sectional study by Slade at all analyzed NHANES data from about 20,000 children,

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aged 2 to 17, they found that living in a county where 75% or more of that drinking water

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contained optimally fluoride or 0.7 parts per million fluoride had a 30% reduction in the rate

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of cavities and baby teeth and a 12% reduction in cavities and permanent teeth.

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And this data was taken from a timeframe where fluoridated toothpaste, fluoride treatments

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at the dentist and sealants were commonplace.

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New research is always emerging and as dental professionals we rely on organizations to release

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clinical practice guidelines before changing the way we practice.

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I trust our national organizations like the CDC, ADA, and WHO, as well as the state health departments

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to monitor this research and make policy recommendations

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based on that evidence.

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At this time, I hope the City of Monroe

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continues water floor dation.

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Director Allison Ignis.

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Good evening. My name is Dr. Alice and Agnes. I live at North 3051 Youth Cabin Road here in Monroe. I'm a local dentist, an expecting mother and a resident of Monroe. I want to share the severity of current dental conditions in our community. At my clinic, I see an overwhelming demand. Our clinic was founded on volunteers and a majority of our patients are on Medicaid or discount plans due to low income.

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were booked out months in advance, often treating children and parents with

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over 20 cavities or missing teeth. And for me, it's heartbreaking. We've had to

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go through times where we couldn't accept new patients because we couldn't

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catch up. I've treated children with rampant decay on nearly every tooth. I've

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treated teenagers who have lost multiple front teeth due to cavities. Many patients

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and admit they brush less than three times a week if that.

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And while we focus on Kerry's prevention,

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the path to stability is long and difficult.

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My husband, an ER doctor here in Monroe,

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frequently sees patients with dental pain due to decay.

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After they're referred, and I evaluate them,

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I find it can take more than eight or more visits

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to achieve stability.

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And finding specialists can mean traveling over an hour,

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sometimes two, if they're even accepting new patients.

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For parents juggling multiple jobs with multiple kids,

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this can be devastating.

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Tooth to cake goes beyond the tooth.

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When severe, it can affect the children's ability

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to learn and concentrate in school,

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impacting their mental health and social skills,

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particularly when they feel they have to cover their teeth

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to hide a black tooth.

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Or they have picture day, the next day,

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and they're asking me, how did we get this?

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00:36:53,050 --> 00:36:54,470
How do I get these cavities?

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and they're interested in being better.

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On my days off, I volunteer in local schools teaching

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for brushing techniques.

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00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:08,090
I spearheaded this program and started it last year.

459
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:10,770
I travel hours to shadow specialists

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00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,390
to bring more services to Monroe

461
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and I feel overwhelmed and desperate to find more help.

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00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:19,930
Multiple families in my clinic without Florida aid water

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00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:21,770
are requesting fluoride supplements

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and they are seeking out more help.

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With split household and inconsistent adult supervision

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on brushing or nutrition,

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because parents are working night shifts

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or multiple jobs,

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fluoridated water may be their only defense.

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I grew up in Illinois drinking fluoridated water.

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My husband and ER doctor grew up in the Middle East

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and Europe drinking fluoridated water.

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And we chose to move to Monroe

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because we care deeply about this community.

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In conclusion, we cannot afford to increase

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the risk of cavities in already high-carry risk population and I support the fluoride concentrations

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in the water at this time. Thank you.

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Robin Cooster.

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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,700
My name is Robin Cooster. I live in N3815, Autumn Ridge Road in Monroe.

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Thank you for allowing me to provide some comments tonight.

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00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:22,900
Monroe has been adding fluoride to the drinking water since 1966, providing cavity prevention

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benefits to thousands of people who live, go to school, and work here. I work in public

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00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,260
health and have dedicated the entirety of my professional career to understanding and addressing

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the burden of oral disease and working to increase access to dental care for those who are low

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00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:45,720
income or uninsured. I care about and want what is best for our community of Monroe. One in four

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00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,860
children, one in four third grade children have untreated cavities and three out of five did not have

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00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:56,880
dental sealants on permanent molars which means children are at risk for spending time away from

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school for preventable oral disease. In Green County only 21% of the population with Medicaid

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00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:10,360
insurance had a preventive dental service last year. That means 4 out of 5 did not get

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00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:16,000
fluoride from a dental provider. Dental, medical and public health professionals are using

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00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:23,800
multiple strategies to improve oral health but we need your help. The most effective way

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00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,560
perspective way to support our efforts is to continue providing optimally

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00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,700
fluoridated water. By doing so, you are reducing the amount of disease and

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00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:38,580
saving mineral families an estimated $345,000 per year. The best available

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00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:43,480
scientific evidence supports water fluoridation. Yet a wide variety of claims

496
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,660
have been made linking fluoride with harms to health. The Internet easily

497
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:52,420
allows activists to spread disinformation, sewed out, and influence opinions

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00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:59,040
through podcasts, social media influencers, videos, and blog posts.

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I can empathize with how hard it must be to sift through all the information and try to figure

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00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,980
out how to make a well-informed decision. The public health policy is based on the entire

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00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:19,400
body of scientific evidence, research and the scientific process is complex, science

502
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:25,560
is iterative, new research is reviewed and scrutinized, new findings lead to new questions, evidence

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00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,900
is carefully weighed and put into context and more studies are done so we can continue to build

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00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:36,820
on previous research using conclusive results until conclusive results are found.

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00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:42,440
For over 75 years, Florida has been and continues to be extensively researched.

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There are literally thousands of studies. If Florida at levels used in water was bad for health,

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there would be conclusive evidence by now. It just isn't there. I am concerned with the

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00:40:55,540 --> 00:41:00,260
possibility of preemptive decision about water fluoridation and what that could

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00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:04,280
mean for Monroe. Studies show that dental health worsens after a community

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00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,100
ceases fluoridation. At a time when so many people are struggling, fluoridated

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water will help. I respectfully ask that you continue to provide mineral

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residents with optimally fluoridated water.

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I apologize, this one's hard to read.

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00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,340
to potentially a last name, Dunkle, address one, West Wilson?

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00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:30,790
OK, yes, I think so.

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00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,520
Good evening.

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00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,260
I'm Dr. Russ Dunkle, and I'm the Wisconsin State

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Donald Director and Chief Dental Officer

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00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:40,080
for the State of Wisconsin, which means

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that I work for everybody in the state.

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00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,460
I'm one of the few dental directors nationally

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00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,560
that works in both Medicaid and public health.

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00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:49,340
It should come as no surprise to this group

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that we are dealing in this country

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and in Wisconsin as well with an access to care problem,

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especially in dental care. There's a small percentage of people that in

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00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,320
Medicaid that are unfortunately able to get the dental care they need. It's the

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mission of Wisconsin Department of Health Services to first and foremost

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protect and promote the health and safety of the people of Wisconsin. I know you've

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received a lot of reports, etc., and a lot of studies. Many are being

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contradicted, contradicted this evening. One of the things to remember is when we're

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00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:30,960
talking about fluoride, you're hearing reports from other people saying it's

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00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,480
toxic. The first rule of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison.

534
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,400
Everything is toxic at some level, including water. There's a medical condition

535
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,780
called hypometriumia where an individual that gets dehydrated can drink too much

536
00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:51,500
water. What happens is the kidneys get overflowed with water, it reduces the

537
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:55,260
sodium in the body, cells increase water intake, and they burst.

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00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,960
And this is a condition that can kill an individual.

539
00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:03,640
In addition, Coumadin are warfarin, which has been around for decades as a blood center,

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and has been used safely if you increase the dosage a little bit.

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It also becomes a rat poison.

542
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,800
We need to put things in perspective and reality.

543
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,580
We can't keep just looking at, throwing darts at things, and just assuming that this is reality.

544
00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:23,120
There have been many confounders in some of the studies that have been reported, and even

545
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:30,420
the EPA lawsuit picked 0.7 as their standard, where in the National Toxicology report,

546
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:35,360
it said the only considerations that they looked at was above 1.5.

547
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,820
So again, where it is at 1.6, was it 3.6, that's inconclusive.

548
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:46,300
And the studies that were reviewed, the National Academy of Science and Engineering in medicine

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00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,100
and review the next national toxicology report twice.

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Each time they found confounders and issues

551
00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:57,200
with the study on the way they were reviewing the research.

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00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,180
What the next national toxicology program decided to do

553
00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:04,200
is then do an internal review, which is not typically

554
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the way you do national scientific research.

555
00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:09,860
You have an outside peer review doing it.

556
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:12,740
Unfortunately, they did not follow that protocol,

557
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which, again, questions the results that they have.

558
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,140
In part, what I ask you to do is to actually look at all the science, not just one side,

559
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and consider all the results that we have.

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00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,520
And as mentioned previously, I'm not going to go into it.

561
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,920
But Florida has been proven and saved for 75 years.

562
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And it does work in concert with toothpaste, but differently.

563
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:34,760
Thank you.

564
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:39,430
Molly Norton.

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00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,280
Hi, I'm Dr. Molly Norton.

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I live at 1114, 23rd Avenue in Monroe.

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I'm a lifelong resident of Monroe and mother of three.

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I'm also a dentist here at Act All Family Dentistry and have been taking care of the people in our community since 2020.

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I've drank the city water while pregnant, and furthermore give it to all three of my children daily. I'm happy to report that all three of my children are exceeding expectations both physically and cognitively. My family also uses fluoride toothpaste daily, and I recommend it for all of my patients. Fluoride concentrations are closely regulated, and far below any harmful levels. Many people will point to the warning label on toothpaste as a sign that fluoride is toxic.

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Toothpaste has 1,500 times the concentration of city water, and even still is only dangerous

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if ingested in very large quantities.

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I even went to the Poison Control website, and I filled out their e-form as if my four-year-old

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had eaten an entire tube of toothpaste.

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Their response was that it is unlikely that a significant toxicity will develop.

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You do not need to take him to the emergency room.

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In fact, if you tried to give yourself fluoride toxicity from city water, you would die from

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over-hydration just as Dr. Dunkel had explained before you reached toxic levels.

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Dose matters and the dosage in city water has been proven again and again and again to

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be safe and effective.

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If city fluoridation ended, Monroe residents would need to supplement to continue to get the

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benefits of fluoride.

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The trouble with that is that they are difficult to source, requiring a prescription, and

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more importantly, expensive.

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of the cost of a year of fluoride tablets per adult is $45.

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And for prescription toothpaste annually, it's around $165.

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That's compared to the $1 yearly cost per person for city fluoridated water.

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No other public health measure provides as much value as fluoridated city water.

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I have evaluated the evidence personally and believe strongly as both a dentist and

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00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:47,120
a local mother that we must continue the community water fluoridation program.

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Thank you.

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00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:48,900
Deb

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00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Cratiger?

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Deb Cratiger, 525-20th Avenue here in Monroe.

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Last month, a federal court ruled that Florida Nation at current U.S. levels poses an unreasonable

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risk to the IQ of children, thus ordering the EPA an act of regulation that will eliminate

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the risk.

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00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,460
The deposition by aura health director Casey Hannon of the CDC admitted under oath that

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But the CDC has no safety data on fluoride and the brain.

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The fact is that CDC does not have any data on the tolerable upper fluoride intake for

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neurotoxic effects for infants.

601
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Yes.

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Okay.

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00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,200
And you see how the definition also includes toddlers.

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So CDC does not have any data on the tolerable upper fluoride intake for neurotoxic effects

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on toddlers.

606
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,220
That's true.

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Okay.

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And CDC, as you see here today, is not aware of any data in the published literature

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that would define the tolerable upper fluoride intake for neurotoxic effects on children.

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As a rep of CDC to my knowledge, we don't have any knowledge about that.

611
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:21,620
Fluoridation proponents argue that fluoride is natural, so is arsenic and lead.

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Floral cellulosic acid is a corrosive acid captured in the air pollution control devices

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00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,920
of the phosphate fertilizer and aluminum industries.

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00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:36,040
The EPA has ruled that fluoride gases cause significant environmental harm.

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00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,560
In the latest mineral water utility consumer competence report where fluoride is listed under

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00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,420
the section titled Source of Contaminate, it is written, Discharge from Fertilizer and

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aluminum factories. Why are we putting this in our water? The FDA accepts that the fluoride is

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a drug. Not a nutrient went used to prevent disease. By definition, fluoridating water is a

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form of mass medication. It's a medicine. They're going to try and tell you it's not, but it is. It

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00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:14,860
can't be bought over the counter without a prescription. Where is our informed consent? I don't have a

621
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:17,880
title, a fancy title or a bunch of letters behind my name.

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And I'm not paid by anyone to promote anything or any organization.

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00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,140
I know you all have been inundated with emails from both sides of this conversation.

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00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,940
The ADA has said and I quote, there is widespread misinformation circulating online in social

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media around the community of Florida.

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00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:41,220
The CDC urged the public to be cautious of pseudo-science misinformation.

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00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:50,500
Are you kidding, calling the National Toxicology Program, a U.S. federal court ruling, consecutive National Institute of Health Studies.

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00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,700
The Cochrane Review and countless other journals of misinformation and pseudoscience is an insult to the public.

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00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,980
That's an insult to me and insult to the citizens of our society.

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Our community and insult to each and every one of you. They use their lobbying forces to come after anyone of us who want this to be a personal choice.

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00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:29,180
Then they try to belittle us and about it. We don't have a mind to make our own health decisions. People are tired. We want to clean up our food. We want to clean up our air and we want to clean up our water. We can start right here. You can make the change. You can be the difference. A quote from anthropologist Margaret Mead.

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Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change the world.

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Indeed, it is the only way it ever has.

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Thank you.

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00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:41,930
Emily DuVall.

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00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,460
Hi.

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I'm Emily DuVall.

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I live at W675 Rothen-Bueller Road in Monroe, Wisconsin.

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I'm a registered dental hygienist, representing the dental house with 15 years of experience,

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00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:03,120
and a mom of three here in Monroe.

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00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,880
I'm going to give some quick information about how cavities form and what fluoride really

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00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:08,480
does to help.

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Every time you take a bite or a sip of something, sugary or stardry, it lowers the pH in

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00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,480
your mouth.

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00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,860
Essentially your mouth becomes a more acidic environment because the bacteria living there

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00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:23,260
use the sugars and starches for energy and the waste product of that is acid.

647
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:27,380
The acid dissolves the minerals of your namo, forming a cavity over time.

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00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:32,760
Fluoride strengthens the NAML by replacing lost minerals like calcium, which makes it

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00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,940
more resistant to acid.

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And it interferes with the ability to produce that acid.

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00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,740
Fluoride can also get incorporated into the developing tooth and NAML of kids before their

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teeth even come in, which makes them their teeth stronger and helps prevent cavities later

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00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:47,620
in life.

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Now, in a perfect world, no one would drink soda or each sugary snacks or crackers.

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00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,600
everyone would brush their teeth twice a day and floss every day. Parents would help their kids

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,560
be thorough brushers until they have the dexterity to do it themselves, which is around age eight.

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But as much as a hygienist may wish and dream, this isn't reality. Not even for me, I love dessert.

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We all need all the help we can get to combat tooth decay. In my 15 years, I've seen Florida make a

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00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,420
difference time and time again. So I truly believe safe levels in water is beneficial to everyone. I got

660
00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:29,540
in to dental hygiene to educate and help people so I needed to come here today so I can say that I

661
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:34,820
did what I could to keep fluoride in the water in Monroe because if it gets taken out I know what

662
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:37,020
I'm going to see and it won't be good.

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00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:40,900
Cold of all.

664
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:52,500
Hi I'm cold of all I live at W6785 Roth and

665
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Bueller Road Monroe, Wisconsin. I have three kids that go to school in Monroe and three nephews and

666
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:05,200
niece that live in the town and regularly benefit from fluoride in the water. I grew

667
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:11,100
up on fluoridated water and until we moved out in the country my kids did too. I know

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00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:17,040
we all reap the benefits of it so when we moved out to the country we got the kids on

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,480
fluoride supplements. Speaking of which was not covered by my insurance and thankfully we

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00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,980
had the means to pay for it. Supplements are not the ideal solution here. They weren't

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00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:32,400
cheap it was an occasional battle to get our youngest to take them and just

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00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,400
remembering to do it regularly is a challenge and we're a family that was

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00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,460
strong dental hygiene habits having fluoride in the water is a great way for

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people especially children who aren't as good at taking care of their teeth to

675
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get some protection and I just want to say I can buy fluoride over the counter via

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toothpaste. I know it's not the same as what gets put in our water, but I can buy it.

677
00:54:01,850 --> 00:54:06,510
Prescriptions, the reason that you need a prescription for it, is because it's such

678
00:54:06,510 --> 00:54:10,830
a concentrated amount. They need to make sure that you get the right levels just like

679
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:16,130
we get in our waters. So, our prescription that we had, we had to test our water to see

680
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:21,850
what was naturally occurring, and then our doctor prescribed the difference. So we were

681
00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:25,490
at the .7 level, which is why you need a prescription,

682
00:54:26,110 --> 00:54:27,650
and you can't just buy it over the counter,

683
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:30,330
because then you can reach the toxic amounts.

684
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:31,970
So please keep that in mind.

685
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:35,930
And also, fluoride is a natural occurring mineral,

686
00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:37,230
not a chemical.

687
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:42,090
So that being said, I trust my dental professionals,

688
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:45,570
and they are all in support of fluoride staying in the water.

689
00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:47,590
I hope the council listens to them

690
00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:50,450
and doesn't make a quick decision to have it removed,

691
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:55,070
because this is a big decision with consequences for everyone who lives in Monroe.

692
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:56,010
Thank you.

693
00:54:58,050 --> 00:54:58,850
Amanda Fields.

694
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:09,230
Give me a break from getting my hair done.

695
00:55:11,410 --> 00:55:17,570
Amanda Fields, 2036, Lincoln, Row and Monroe. As a young

696
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:28,450
mother, people told me, no better, do better, no better, no better, do better, and I have yet

697
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:38,090
to hear anything that has told me removing fluoride is the right choice. What I have heard is from

698
00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:46,110
professionals that I trust that keeping fluoride in our water is a good thing. If I can be shown

699
00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:54,890
information that says this is something that will benefit everyone, I'd be happy to rethink that,

700
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:59,390
But at this time, that's not something I feel I have been presented with.

701
00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:07,190
And I believe that this really needs to be looked at more in depth than,

702
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:16,610
you know, the past few weeks have given the council time to do since this has become a topic for discussion and decision.

703
00:56:17,290 --> 00:56:17,710
Thank you.

704
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:24,310
Hello,

705
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:44,000
my name is Rohan Warden and I'm the public health officer for Green County as the public health officer my role is to protect and promote the health and safety of all of the Green County residents.

706
00:56:44,000 --> 00:57:02,100
It was about 15 years ago that the Green County Healthy Community Coalition, the Green County Public Health, and our many health and dental care partners identified oral health care for children and adults as a priority health need for this county.

707
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:09,820
Back then, the Fowler Dental Clinic was founded to help address this major priority health

708
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:10,180
need.

709
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:17,020
And you've already heard from Dr. Agnes, who served as that dental provider with the

710
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:18,200
free Fowler Dental Clinic.

711
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:25,740
Tooth decay remains the most common childhood chronic disease, and it is preventable.

712
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,780
In Wisconsin, one out of every five children have untreated decay.

713
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:37,360
We know that community water fluoridation is safe, effective, and is one of the most

714
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,760
equitable ways for reducing the burden of oral disease for all of our residents.

715
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:50,280
Studies have shown that community water fluoridation reduces cavities by 25% in children and adults.

716
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Adding fluoride to drinking water is like adding vitamin D to milk or phylic acid to

717
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,200
breads and cereals.

718
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,040
We know that fluoride benefits people of all ages and community water fluoridation helps

719
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:12,540
address a large disparity in access to oral health care based on people's income, their race

720
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:13,400
and ethnicity.

721
00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:20,180
The CDC for Disease Control and Prevention have identified fluoridation of community

722
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:25,360
Under the water is one of the most significant public health advances of the 20th century

723
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:31,380
and one of the safest most cost-effective ways to increase oral health.

724
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,280
Two minutes.

725
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:42,100
Based on the city of Monroe's population, it is projected to save the city 345,000 per year

726
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,680
on dental care for families.

727
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:51,100
Communities can save $20 for every $1 invested in community water fluoridation.

728
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:57,420
After careful consideration and review of the scientific literature, there is more than

729
00:58:57,420 --> 00:59:06,060
125 national and international health service professional organizations that recognize the

730
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:08,320
public health benefits of fluoridation.

731
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:15,300
These include the American Public Health Association, the American and Wisconsin Dental Association,

732
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:21,700
the American Medical Association, Wisconsin chapter of the Academy of Pediatrics, Wisconsin

733
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:27,960
Academy of Family Physicians, also supports community water fluoridation as recommended

734
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,180
by the World Health Organization.

735
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:31,540
If you could wrap up please.

736
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,580
So thank you.

737
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:33,400
Thank you.

738
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,020
Jim Kershaw.

739
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:39,040
I'm

740
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:48,850
Jim Kershaw, Superintendent of the Bismarck North Dakota Water treatment plant, 615 River Road.

741
00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:54,410
I've got 40 years of experience here. I've worked with Floridaite for all those years.

742
00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:59,870
Florian gas, wavelengths and lime are far worse than anything I've ever done with.

743
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,040
All right. But housekeeping and venting our essential. I didn't know about the health oral health

744
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:13,380
benefits of community water, Florida, or CWF, until we looked at stopping in 2018. The

745
01:00:13,380 --> 01:00:17,420
reason we thought about stopping was because we had a new mayor and two new commissioners

746
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:22,500
and they wanted to cut buckets. I said, what about the $40,000 a year that we've spent on

747
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:29,780
Florida. I've learned a lot since then. Not counting electricity $40,000 is about 1.6% of our total

748
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:34,980
treatment costs that we spend for a year. After talking with public health professionals at the

749
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:40,940
local state and national level and reading the research that both supports and opposes CWF,

750
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:46,980
we decided that the 50 cents to a dollar per customer is far cheaper than the oral health cost

751
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,520
that are 80,000 customers with baby Janice,

752
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,680
which can average $20 to $40 per person per year.

753
01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:57,100
For us, that translates to $1.6 million to $3.2 million.

754
01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:02,300
CWS is especially beneficial to the under-fill

755
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:04,020
which is a California proper dental care.

756
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:05,660
It doesn't discriminate.

757
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,680
And up here in North Dakota, I recently talked to a Janice

758
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,460
in a rural area and she told me that she could tell

759
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:15,060
by looking in the malls which ones were on well water

760
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:16,720
and which ones came from Florida to town.

761
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:20,100
Now I grew up on well water and my key suffered.

762
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,640
I used to fear and hate dentists.

763
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,280
Now I respect them.

764
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:26,380
Because one thing that surprised me is

765
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:28,000
that most dentists support community water

766
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,860
for radiation, which is something

767
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:31,160
that would cost them money earned

768
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960
from extra services, that fact alone.

769
01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:36,560
I'm afraid to mean that they are truly public

770
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,320
health oriented and not just out to make dollars.

771
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:42,140
Water operators are also public health oriented.

772
01:01:42,740 --> 01:01:44,560
Some say that Florida is the only thing

773
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:49,160
we add for health reasons. Why I'd like to say that chlorination and corrosion control

774
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,120
treatment that it used to provide a safe coating for service lines in the distribution

775
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:58,180
setting system are also a couple things we do to provide public health benefits. The

776
01:01:58,180 --> 01:02:02,160
additive use for fluorination is no different than the naturally occurring fluoride that is

777
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,820
found in all water. Fluoride has been in the water since the beginning of time and CWS has

778
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:12,840
been practiced for 76 years. I would think that if it caught serious issues it would have

779
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,460
been heavily regulated many years ago.

780
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,820
EPA regulates things down to the parts per billion

781
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:19,640
and even parts per trillion.

782
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,360
We do UCMR testing every three years

783
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:24,960
where any contaminants they suspect

784
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,220
could be a potential hazard that we have to test for.

785
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:34,180
At 0.7, there's never been any proof of causes or harm.

786
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:36,020
All water has fluoride in it.

787
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:38,720
The natural level can be anywhere from 0.1

788
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,820
to over the MCL of four parts per million.

789
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:45,180
some natural fluoride systems can be higher than the 0.7.

790
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,640
10% out of you being added.

791
01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:47,620
10 rep up please.

792
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,400
As they are by lawful to us.

793
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,780
Has there any benefit in the small towns that lower IQ is happening?

794
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,580
Current science has proven that 0.7 parts of the unit is optimal.

795
01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:06,020
To put it in perspective, 0.7 parts of the unit is equal to 1H

796
01:03:06,020 --> 01:03:13,360
23 miles one minute and a thousand days and one set and 14 thousand dollars. Thank you for your time.

797
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,300
Dr. Johnny Johnson.

798
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:28,630
Good evening. Thanks for allowing me to speak to these folks tonight. I'm a pediatric

799
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:35,610
dentist and my wife is from Wisconsin. I pulled her out from Edgerton and moved Florida with me

800
01:03:35,610 --> 01:03:41,810
several years ago. You've heard a lot of testimony tonight about why we are poor business people as

801
01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:49,210
Dennis. It is because Ford, because cavities are a infectious and transmissible disease.

802
01:03:49,930 --> 01:03:55,970
We don't have anything that we can do to reach outside the bloodstream to stop the bacterial

803
01:03:55,970 --> 01:04:02,670
plaque from causing decay on your teeth. There's no way. If there wasn't any vaccine against

804
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:09,090
it, we would be out of business. Would I find other things to do? We can vet you, but that's

805
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:15,250
not half the people still abuse their mouth. One of the biggest things that I have heard

806
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:24,350
that adults really benefit. I'm 68 and a lot of the folks around the room, myself here,

807
01:04:24,970 --> 01:04:30,610
as we get older, we know that our guns begin to receive. One of the places that Florida

808
01:04:30,610 --> 01:04:37,810
really helps us as we age and those that are in long-term care facilities, so on and so

809
01:04:37,810 --> 01:04:44,330
for it as we get more of our roots exposed. There's softer areas there than there are on the

810
01:04:44,330 --> 01:04:50,670
chewing surfaces of our teeth. They get cavities very easily because it's softer and you can't wrap

811
01:04:50,670 --> 01:04:56,550
around the back of a molar root to get in there and clean it so you get a cavity. Well we're good

812
01:04:56,550 --> 01:04:59,970
But what we do, but we can't wrap around the back without falling your-

813
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:25,960
We're going to follow out. One of the biggest reasons why we lose our teeth is adults is because of root surface cavities, and we have to take those teeth out, which is tragic. Florida didn't want to help adults. I say more than it does kids, and I'm a pediatric dentist. And if you think about it, we are adults who will show the impact of cavities faster.

814
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:30,660
Two minutes. You had a minute. Okay. Thank you.

815
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:35,410
We absolutely benefit as adults also.

816
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:40,830
Couple of bookies because I know you've gotten emails and my name has been mentioned. I've seen some

817
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:44,870
of them sit forward. There are there's a give

818
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,080
out there. I know one of the attorneys I could see is

819
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,220
on the call tonight. Probably group is

820
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,000
not stated

821
01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:06,150
in a hundred and

822
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:12,200
there's never

823
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:12,700
Air

824
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:26,880
National toxicology program.

825
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:45,980
Time to wrap up other gentlemen.

826
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:56,860
We asked our PDs here

827
01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:01,020
And he asked me, he looked at me and said, Johnny, how would you ask,

828
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,440
do you got a point?

829
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,760
And I looked at him and I said, you know, why would I not trust you?

830
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:08,960
I trust you with my baby.

831
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:15,440
Over 60,000 American Academy of Pediatric Pediatricians stand behind water fluorination.

832
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:18,240
Four million nurses stand behind it.

833
01:07:18,380 --> 01:07:24,180
Not a single credible scientific organization or health care group in the world opposed it

834
01:07:24,180 --> 01:07:24,600
for

835
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:28,330
the health of yourselves.

836
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Linda Jockensen,

837
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:41,380
can you hear me?

838
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:42,160
I'm

839
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:49,940
Linda Jorgensen. I'm speaking on behalf of the Wisconsin-Dental

840
01:07:49,940 --> 01:07:55,380
Hygiene Association. I'm a member of that association of a dental hygienist.

841
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,280
I don't live in Monroe. I'm way over in Western Wisconsin, River Falls,

842
01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:05,800
Hello. But so many people have already made several of the claims that I was

843
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:11,580
going to say and I love hearing what you all have said. I'm just going to read a

844
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:20,540
a comment about the city of Antigo in Wisconsin that did consider removing

845
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:24,720
fluoride from its water a few years, many years ago. In fact, Antigo

846
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:30,620
Wisconsin began fluoridating its water supply in 1949, but it stopped in

847
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:38,140
1960 after a referendum passed to repeal the program. Antigo citizens voted to

848
01:08:38,140 --> 01:08:41,660
repeal fluoridation after an anti-pluridation group

849
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:45,140
campaigned and claimed that fluoride was toxic,

850
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:46,440
even in small amounts.

851
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,500
And that was in 1950, I was really little at that time.

852
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:56,180
After fluoridation was stopped, dental decay increased

853
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:59,700
dramatically among children in antigoals.

854
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:05,220
Kindergarten children had a 92% increase in tooth decay.

855
01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:15,380
2nd graders had an 183% increase in decay and 4th graders had a 41% increase in 2st decay.

856
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,560
After seeing the decline in their children's dental health,

857
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,000
antigo citizens voted to reinstate water fluoridation in 1965.

858
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:33,200
Goraid is effective at preventing 2st decay and that's my main comment.

859
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:38,840
And you could make the decision to discontinue, but thank goodness, two minutes.

860
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,440
Oh, it's really, okay, dental hygienists are all about prevention.

861
01:09:45,260 --> 01:09:52,840
Most of what we do as healthcare providers is try to prevent those preventable diseases,

862
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:58,240
tooth decay being one, periodontal disease, we talk about oral cancer and injuries.

863
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,980
So, we are about...

864
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:18,460
This continuing floor in your water would do the exact opposite of that. It would move the needle in the wrong direction. And I urge you to continue floor it into your water, fix your equipment, maintain it. And thank you so much for hearing my testimony.

865
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:26,370
Thank

866
01:10:28,450 --> 01:10:52,850
you very much for calling me. I live even further away. I live in a city of leads in Yorkshire and England. I am a dentist but I really wanted to join this to support my clinical colleagues because I've been in academia as a dental epidemiologist.

867
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:59,410
And indeed, part of my career was carried out in Birmingham, the second largest city in

868
01:10:59,410 --> 01:11:07,390
England, which has been fluoridated for quite a long time now. And I carried out a major

869
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:17,230
study looking at the effects of water fluoridation in that city. And mention some of the things

870
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:25,990
on your website mentions the Cochran Systematic Reviews. I have to say that they had very,

871
01:11:26,190 --> 01:11:33,050
very tight criteria in the studies they would accept. So much so that in fact the American

872
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:40,310
Academy of Pediatrics said that they ignored 97 percent of all the evidence on water

873
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:49,310
of fluoridation. However, that being said, they accepted my two major studies as satisfying

874
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:56,990
their tights criteria, and those studies show very clearly the benefits of water fluoridation.

875
01:11:57,950 --> 01:12:02,510
And people will say, well, we've got it in the toothpaste, why do we need it in the water?

876
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:09,530
The major effect, the big effect, is if you have it in the toothpaste and in the water,

877
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:16,130
it's not either or, it's getting it from both sources and I just want to say

878
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:23,170
something about the claims of affecting health. I noticed that on their

879
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:29,670
website one of the emails lists 16 conditions said to be caused by

880
01:12:29,670 --> 01:12:35,310
water fluoridation. I have to say two minutes without being too much about your

881
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:41,370
correspondent, that is Nonson. Listen to your own public health

882
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:48,030
advisers, your own local advisers. They live in your community, they drink the

883
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:53,750
fluoridated water, their families drink the fluoridated water, and I don't

884
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:57,690
think they would be supporting it if they thought that their own kids were

885
01:12:57,690 --> 01:13:04,230
going to suffer from having fluoridated water. So listen to what they say, they

886
01:13:04,230 --> 01:13:10,690
will have looked at all the evidence, they will tell you that it is not harmful, it doesn't

887
01:13:10,690 --> 01:13:18,030
cause the conditions which have been alleged and that you should continue with the border

888
01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:25,950
prioritisation in your city. And I thank you again for allowing me as someone from overseas

889
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:31,470
in making the contribution to your discussion. Thank you.

890
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:32,430
That

891
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:37,400
is everyone that I have signed up.

892
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:56,540
At this time, the public hearing, since there's no more to be heard, the public hearing

893
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:59,500
is closed, so do we have to vote on that?

894
01:13:59,740 --> 01:13:59,920
No.

895
01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:00,880
No.

896
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,820
And this means that the council's not going to deliberate the discuss that they can do a

897
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:14,240
ram of options, but no more public comment, this that we've heard from that, now it's

898
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:14,960
the council of discuss.

899
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:24,060
I'll go and start off comments a little history my wife and her sisters grew up in

900
01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:31,080
towns with fluoride great teeth my two sons grew up in fluoride fluoride water

901
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:37,860
great teeth my brother's and I grew up in town without fluoride water and as

902
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:44,860
doctor act all knows I've got enough money in my mouth I can buy a car I'm a

903
01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:51,420
freaking flyer there so yeah it's my background is engineering industrial engineer

904
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:58,600
for years and with my training and experience I look at all the all the I don't

905
01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:59,980
We're blinders to look at all the abs.

906
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:29,280
You can go on the internet and find whatever you want. You can come up with a good theory for it. Yes, some aren't true, but as I was taught, a good leader has good people working for them. With all the medical people that are saying fluoride is good, and there's some people saying it's not, but the medical people are the ones that know the information.

907
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:37,000
and they've done the studies and I would much rather go with them until they are convinced

908
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,980
that fluoride is bad, I'm going to be voting to keep fluoride in the water.

909
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:43,040
Thank you.

910
01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:43,600
I

911
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:54,900
had a have a question and I don't know if it's me or if other council members feel this

912
01:15:54,900 --> 01:16:02,180
way but it seems kind of like a steam roller coming at us as far as how quickly this came

913
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:11,180
up. And again, maybe it's just me, but from my going back through the agenda, it seems

914
01:16:11,180 --> 01:16:18,440
like this issue first came to Board of Public Works about the end of September, September

915
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:25,760
23rd is it? No, it must have been after that. Yeah, September 23rd. And the letter that

916
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:32,640
superintendent, Kinnison, and closed said he was contacted by citizens in the community

917
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,660
and there was one letter attached. So I guess I'm wondering how much of a public cry

918
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:47,220
to eliminate fluoride is there really because based on, you know, we had a couple speaking

919
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:52,140
against and we had letters against, but what is the background on how this came to be

920
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:57,940
an issue if somebody could answer that because this is the first, the past month is the

921
01:16:57,940 --> 01:17:02,980
first I've heard of it and suddenly it's like, I think earlier this spring I'll speak

922
01:17:02,980 --> 01:17:11,080
to that as the mayor I was contacted and there were several people, there was one individual,

923
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:17,300
he was present tonight or is present tonight but he kept calling and then I got a few more

924
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:25,480
calls. And then at that point I felt that it was important. I did call the way I called

925
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:33,600
our administrator down at the wastewater treatment plant and the public works of Mike

926
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:38,940
Kennisin and he said you know it didn't make any difference to him but he supplied us

927
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:43,840
with all of the information that we needed. And I felt that it was important that we bring

928
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:53,360
it to the public and let you decide the majority and then we could make a decision based

929
01:17:53,360 --> 01:18:00,980
on what the input was from the community and it was early on that that happened.

930
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,320
So it was something that I did bring to the attention.

931
01:18:07,420 --> 01:18:08,860
That's fine.

932
01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:14,040
I was just kind of curious because it seemed like it just popped up but sometimes things

933
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,800
It was simmering, it didn't come to it.

934
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:23,700
I had until now to bring it to the council for consideration.

935
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,040
I have a couple questions from Mr. Tennyson,

936
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,140
the possibly come up here.

937
01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:36,640
So I got the Bill O'Lean lady sitting here in front of me

938
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,800
of what we add to our water from this, is it Mark Tell?

939
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:42,920
Yeah, Mark Tell water out of Jamesville.

940
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,100
Yep. Do you know where they get it from?

941
01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:50,980
They have a distributor that they get it from, I'm not aware of who they, I think they have multiple suppliers.

942
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:59,120
Okay, so I got one here from Panko and I'm just going to talk about the, so it is a naturally occurring mineral.

943
01:18:59,980 --> 01:19:03,780
What is it in our water right now before we add anything?

944
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,680
We tested well number five and it is .2.

945
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,500
Okay, what do you think the average is then in town?

946
01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:13,600
2, 3, 1 and 2, which we have 1 and 2, okay.

947
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:20,700
So this is the company we get our stuff from, the acid that we put in our water.

948
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:27,560
It has 1.039 parts per million of arsenic in it.

949
01:19:29,060 --> 01:19:37,100
Last time I looked, arsenic is not good for anything in our water or anything that you would

950
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:41,160
consume, your kids would consume, your animals would consume.

951
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:44,330
That's one of the

952
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:49,950
companies that provides us to communities throughout the country. The next is

953
01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:59,770
Free Acid 0.40% specific gravity 1.216 at 66. Heavy metals is also in there.

954
01:20:00,340 --> 01:20:29,440
I mean, look what 3M did to the water, I mean, PFASD, you're never getting rid of that. I'm a firm believer what happened in the 50s or 60s is not current today. Lead service line replacement. We're doing that throughout the community because back then, lead lines are good. No, they're not. You know, this is, yes, it occurs naturally. What is being supplemented in our water comes from a company with a bill relating with the ingredients.

955
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:34,700
and that is not a mineral that you pull out of the ground, it is subsidized, it is processed,

956
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,540
it is dumped in the water, and people need to have a choice.

957
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,280
People that don't want it,

958
01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:47,660
you know, people that want it, but everybody needs to have a choice

959
01:20:47,660 --> 01:20:51,880
and just putting it in and then telling one person like, you can drink bottled water or

960
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,840
not drink the water, or you can take medication, least they have a choice.

961
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:00,620
If we don't give the people a choice, then this is not a free society.

962
01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:15,080
Well, I'm not exactly sure how we give people a choice on a municipal service.

963
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:23,060
If they're not comfortable with our water supply, I mean, we can't say here's tap A and here's tap B.

964
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:28,580
This one has flour. I think this one doesn't. I mean, they either choose to live in the narrow and drink the tap water.

965
01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:31,920
They can live here and not drink the tap water or they can leave the narrow.

966
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:41,200
those are your choices. I mean, can I just remind all there's that we're

967
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,380
going to give each one of you a chance to speak and then if you have any

968
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:52,120
rebuttal it will be after each one of you have had input. Okay, so thank you.

969
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,260
I have a question as long as Mike is up there.

970
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,260
The DNR is getting really strict on

971
01:21:58,260 --> 01:22:04,140
what we can expel out of our treatment plant, put into the water. Do they have a level

972
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:10,900
of fluoride that we can expel a non-cook creek? No, there is no limit as of now for what

973
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:13,640
we can discharge into the creek from the wastewater treatment plant.

974
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:14,320
Okay.

975
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:21,650
I have a lot of talking points here. I don't know how you want me to do this. Do

976
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:22,870
them all at once, or.

977
01:22:25,860 --> 01:22:30,840
And am I able to question the professionals in the house, the doctors

978
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,600
or not?

979
01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:33,500
That's up to the mayor.

980
01:22:33,740 --> 01:22:34,560
The mayor wants to let.

981
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:36,220
It's called a point of information.

982
01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:38,760
If the mayor wants to hear a point of information,

983
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:39,900
then she can do that.

984
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:48,190
Well, before I get into that, I guess.

985
01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:53,190
I think the people that wanted to speak have spoken.

986
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:59,010
And so at this point, I just assume that you present

987
01:22:59,010 --> 01:23:00,330
what you want to present.

988
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:02,650
Okay.

989
01:23:02,650 --> 01:23:08,590
Okay, what we heard tonight, I think, was narrow-minded, short-sighted, whatever you want

990
01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:08,930
to say.

991
01:23:09,170 --> 01:23:13,750
They were talking about teeth, but there's so many other things, and you talk about

992
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:14,330
professionals.

993
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:16,070
My wife has a dental degree.

994
01:23:16,510 --> 01:23:17,810
I went to dental conventions.

995
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:21,890
I know a fluoride industry is a billion-dollar industry.

996
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:28,770
I enjoyed a lot of their wine, and in Dynan, down in St. Louis, Disney, we had a whole park

997
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:29,410
to ourselves.

998
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:34,830
There's a lot of money in it and they give a lot of freebies out and stuff.

999
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:42,350
My wife would not allow our kids to have 4-8, 4-8 on their teeth.

1000
01:23:42,530 --> 01:23:43,290
She would not add it.

1001
01:23:43,470 --> 01:23:47,630
We drink distilled or purified water all our lives.

1002
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:53,130
My dad knew as a kid or when I was a kid that with all the chemicals going in the ground

1003
01:23:53,130 --> 01:23:56,210
and I mean at the county we're trying to clean up water.

1004
01:23:56,210 --> 01:23:57,850
We don't want all those things in there.

1005
01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:03,210
So we've drank clean water, and to Tom's thing,

1006
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:04,950
I mean, we could go back and forth all day.

1007
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:07,530
My kids did not have a lot of cavities.

1008
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:09,750
We did not have huge dental bills.

1009
01:24:10,050 --> 01:24:13,110
So they didn't have fluoride, and they were fine.

1010
01:24:14,530 --> 01:24:18,290
There's a lot of new data and research and these lawsuits.

1011
01:24:18,650 --> 01:24:22,110
And I just hear the dental community discrediting them.

1012
01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:25,730
I understand you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you,

1013
01:24:25,730 --> 01:24:32,550
But if there's even a small chance that this is harmful to our health,

1014
01:24:32,710 --> 01:24:37,390
I don't know why the citizens of Monroe cannot have a choice.

1015
01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:40,970
I mean, like Mary Jane said, we don't have tap A, tap B.

1016
01:24:42,650 --> 01:24:44,590
And you say, well, the less unfortunate.

1017
01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:47,990
I know a mother with three little kids.

1018
01:24:49,330 --> 01:24:51,870
She's like, what do I do?

1019
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,130
Do I get an RO thing?

1020
01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:59,190
she they can't afford that I mean I when I looked at my wife said down at Walmart and I look

1021
01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:10,720
Act fluoride rents, you can get. And from what I understand, it's topical on your tooth, not ingesting fluoride that helps.

1022
01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:27,640
So, choices, I think the big thing is choices here. And I don't know if I could ask the audience, and probably I can't, but do you believe the citizens of Monroe should have a choice or just be?

1023
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:31,260
you're getting the fluoride, whether you like it or not.

1024
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:37,080
Because when I go to the doctor, I have to sign a consent for a medical, and this seems

1025
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:42,100
like a medical thing, it's to prevent tooth decay, and maybe it does.

1026
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:45,180
There's both sides of that.

1027
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,540
You can, you said, yeah, you can find arguments on both sides, yeah, we can.

1028
01:25:49,540 --> 01:25:52,640
Then I can find Dennis that are against it.

1029
01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:58,440
In fact, one of the emails was from a dentist against it.

1030
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,580
And the doctors, there was an MD.

1031
01:26:02,740 --> 01:26:10,580
I listened to an hour-long program today, and he warned about the dangers of fluoride.

1032
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,700
One size fits all is kind of what we're doing, and I think it should be between me and my

1033
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:24,240
dental, professional, how much fluoride I'm intaking. I'm also wasn't mentioned, and

1034
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:30,520
I think even the fluoride society says that infants should not have that fluoride mix

1035
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:36,760
with their formula and stuff. And what do you do with the mothers that can't afford water

1036
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:42,060
that's unfloridated? They can't go to an R.O. machine or whatever. I guess yeah, they can

1037
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:43,260
and move out of the city of Monroe,

1038
01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:47,360
or by bottled water, I guess is what we're hearing,

1039
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,780
but in a day and age, it's always my body, my choice,

1040
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:55,420
but in this, it's like, no, you're doing this.

1041
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,080
And then where do we stop?

1042
01:26:59,020 --> 01:27:02,380
Magnesium, most kids are lacking in magnesium.

1043
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,780
Do we start pumping magnesium in the water?

1044
01:27:06,220 --> 01:27:07,680
What else do we pump in?

1045
01:27:07,820 --> 01:27:08,380
I mean, vitamins?

1046
01:27:10,660 --> 01:27:15,280
I, and the beer and the cheese industries, I mean, do they want fluoride in their water?

1047
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:22,900
I heard that some companies are starting a maybe market non-fluoridated soda or whatever

1048
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:26,360
you know, because people don't want fluoride, many people don't.

1049
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:33,840
And I think the city could take the savings if people really wanted them by some act of fluoride

1050
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:40,140
ignorance and if we're going to have to have it for the children that are less fortunate.

1051
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:47,300
I guess my list of questions I had and then I guess I'm not supposed to ask, does one

1052
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:53,540
dosage fit everyone regardless of diet, etc. What about people with dentures? Do they need

1053
01:27:53,540 --> 01:28:00,550
fluoride? What about those that have allergies to fluoride? What are the side effects I didn't

1054
01:28:00,550 --> 01:28:03,890
or anything about side effects today, we know there's side effects.

1055
01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:10,190
As many of you know, I have a birth defect with a hole in my heart, but they said if I

1056
01:28:10,190 --> 01:28:15,910
had been taken aspirin, I probably could have prevented it, and I don't think everybody

1057
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:17,070
should take an aspirin.

1058
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:22,230
I think you should consult your doctor, but then I had one doctor say, well, you can get

1059
01:28:22,230 --> 01:28:28,070
ulcers from that, so it's like, at some point I need to be the one making the choice for

1060
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:34,170
my body and with my health professional I believe not just you're getting it whether you want

1061
01:28:34,170 --> 01:28:41,890
it or not. It's not safe from what I understand for infants to drink fluoridated water and I

1062
01:28:41,890 --> 01:28:44,270
don't think anybody hears a license toxicologist.

1063
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:50,590
I guess what do we expect when we turn on our

1064
01:28:50,590 --> 01:28:57,590
tap. I think we want water, just clean water, not medicine, not medication, so.

1065
01:28:57,910 --> 01:29:05,970
Okay, I appreciate your comments, older tool, in the essence of time so that we can get

1066
01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:14,810
input from each one of the elders. Can we move on? And yeah, we can hack

1067
01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:24,790
from the

1068
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:32,530
in a full city council room and clearly there are passions on both sides of the debate and

1069
01:29:33,130 --> 01:29:36,330
spending an hour and a half here with us is probably not what you want to be doing on

1070
01:29:36,330 --> 01:29:41,670
Monday night, but here we are. I'm going to circle back to something at times that I'm

1071
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:44,810
Okay, cool.

1072
01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:53,130
How's that? Okay.

1073
01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:59,860
Okay. Circle back to something.

1074
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,320
That time, older Miller said earlier about just

1075
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:33,920
having a torrentive information and being expected to, you know, sift through quite a bit of highly scientific information that we're typically not used to reading. And I'm good at a lot of things but I'm not necessarily good at reading scientific papers. And I also am pretty good at relying on experts.

1076
01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:41,360
and officials who are educated and have devoted their entire lives to these endeavors.

1077
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:48,700
So I'm certainly, I came into this debate with an open mind.

1078
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:56,100
I kind of went back and forth a couple times and I've landed firmly on the side of continuing

1079
01:30:56,100 --> 01:31:01,340
the fluoridation and the water because of the outpouring of support from the local professionals

1080
01:31:01,340 --> 01:31:11,440
who clearly care about the community and one other, there was one I think I wanted to mention.

1081
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:18,500
Well, it's an ask. It's an ask of those same professionals to pay attention to the research

1082
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:23,600
and the, because I would imagine there's going to be more research coming out as this issue

1083
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:29,120
becomes a touch point in communities throughout, throughout the country.

1084
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:35,920
that if the guidance does change that you let us know what we need to do to make

1085
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,980
adjustments going forward. So thank you.

1086
01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:47,260
Alder Warton-Royer? I

1087
01:31:57,540 --> 01:32:04,880
have a few thoughts as well. I do feel like it's a bit

1088
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:13,340
of a steam roller or trying to drink water from a fire hose. I'm actually shocked

1089
01:32:13,340 --> 01:32:22,440
to add the amount of people that have come out so quickly and so vehemently in favor

1090
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:33,060
of fluoride, and I do believe there are two sides to the issue, and I here trust the

1091
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:41,880
science, and I believe the science on both sides has people that are sincere and want

1092
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:47,860
the best for communities and for community health.

1093
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:53,720
Like I said, I do feel like it's a lot of

1094
01:32:53,720 --> 01:33:05,100
information and one of the things I heard a lot about almost more stood out more to me than the

1095
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:13,220
fluoride was the access to dental care and I know that's been since my children were small and

1096
01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:15,380
And that was more than 20 years ago.

1097
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:23,300
So I think it might be who wants to look at what we can do to create better access to

1098
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,980
dental care for all of our communities.

1099
01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:32,320
I know it's not just in Monroe that that affects people.

1100
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,220
So I saw that.

1101
01:33:35,220 --> 01:33:47,160
I wondered about the dose, the dose of fluoride has been talked about a lot, and the .7 parts

1102
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:55,100
per million is what is in the water, and I thought about, I think someone else mentioned

1103
01:33:55,100 --> 01:34:00,880
it as well, we bathe in it, we shower in it, we wash our hands, we use it for cooking,

1104
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:04,640
our

1105
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:09,320
For everything we cook, does that add up?

1106
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:09,800
I don't know.

1107
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:10,680
Has there been any?

1108
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:11,540
I don't know.

1109
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:12,980
I don't have the answer to that.

1110
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:13,440
Does that?

1111
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:14,680
How much is too much?

1112
01:34:15,420 --> 01:34:17,200
How do we know how much is too much?

1113
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:23,280
How do we know how much each child or each person is getting when it's used in everything?

1114
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:39,060
I know that we are also bombarded with toxins in our environment everywhere in the air,

1115
01:34:39,060 --> 01:34:44,720
in the water, in our food supply, the things we eat and drink, and the places we choose to go.

1116
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,800
I feel like we have our bodies are overloaded with toxins and we need to address the toxic burden

1117
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,500
on our bodies,

1118
01:34:56,730 --> 01:34:59,970
and so I think it's okay to...

1119
01:35:00,020 --> 01:35:29,920
Put a pause on the fluoride treatment of our water, while maybe more studies are done, and maybe more things will show up that will help us. And in the meantime, I would vote to put a pause on putting fluoride in a water supply. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Elder Orton, and moving on to older Cleveland. In an effort to be efficient,

1120
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,440
I have written down my thoughts so I don't miss anything.

1121
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,980
I want to think those who have come out today to talk as well as think those who took the

1122
01:35:37,980 --> 01:35:39,940
time to email their input.

1123
01:35:40,580 --> 01:35:45,540
I've looked at all the letters and resources and to the City Council as well as reviewed

1124
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:49,300
the suit ruled against the EPA and I've done additional research.

1125
01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:54,760
I'm not a scientist nor a dentist but as a city alder I need to look at what's best for

1126
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,860
all Monroe City residents and I think it comes down to three things.

1127
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:01,140
effectiveness, safety, and ethics.

1128
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,680
There's no doubt that topical fluoride is effective

1129
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,200
in fighting tooth decay.

1130
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,560
We have seen a decrease in dental disease

1131
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,300
since the addition of fluoride to toothpaste in the 1950s.

1132
01:36:13,300 --> 01:36:16,000
As well as now, we have mouthwashes,

1133
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:19,740
fluoride burnish for teeth and teeth sealants.

1134
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,260
However, reports on the decrease in cavities

1135
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:26,400
from ingested fluoride via the water supply

1136
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:33,400
range widely with initial reports back in the 1960s saying that there's a 60% decrease in

1137
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,640
cavities, and then the number changed to, well, now there's a 30% decrease, and now

1138
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,140
more recently, there's been documentation that shows a 15% decrease or lower in some

1139
01:36:44,140 --> 01:36:49,840
studies from drinking fluoridated water. So one wonders how effective ingesting the

1140
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:55,920
fluoride really is. The second thing, safety. Although the recommended amount of hydrofluoric

1141
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:02,940
acid in the water supply has decreased over time. Is this 0.7 parts per million a safe

1142
01:37:02,940 --> 01:37:08,860
women in today's world from little babies to pregnant women to older adults with various

1143
01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:16,720
lifestyles? We now have fluoride in many processed foods, some bottled water, even baby food,

1144
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:24,440
powder baby formula when adding fluorinated water, soft drinks, juices, tea, some pharmaceuticals,

1145
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:27,220
as well as the water we cook in and has mentioned,

1146
01:37:27,260 --> 01:37:29,020
I even think of, bathing, et cetera.

1147
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:34,080
Then there are other claims of a multitude of health problems

1148
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,560
from long-term ingested fluoride ranging from decreased IQ,

1149
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,280
from exposure in the womb to ADHD to cancer.

1150
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:49,600
I've read in multiple legislative recommendations

1151
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,520
and journals that more studies really need to be done

1152
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:58,480
to determine the long-term safety effects, which I haven't heard anybody mention here today.

1153
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:00,100
And lastly, ethics.

1154
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:05,260
If a person can only get fluoride supplements with a doctor's prescription, not over the

1155
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:08,160
counter, then it is considered a medication.

1156
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:14,120
Yet, we distribute this medication via the water supply to the entire city without residences

1157
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:14,740
consent.

1158
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:19,900
Plus, with effectiveness and safety concerns, this does not seem right to me.

1159
01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:23,940
As on the side, the nonprofit organization,

1160
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,940
bridging brighter smiles, offers a variety of services

1161
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:33,200
for Monroe School District students, 4K through grade 12.

1162
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,760
Parents fill out an authorization form

1163
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,960
which can include oral screenings, dental cleanings,

1164
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:42,000
fluoride varnish, dental sealants,

1165
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,180
dental health education, and referral assistance.

1166
01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:48,840
They accept badger care and have a place on the application

1167
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,680
to list if one does not have insurance.

1168
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,440
Services are provided to students

1169
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,140
up to three times per year

1170
01:38:55,140 --> 01:38:57,180
as the parent indicates that they want.

1171
01:38:58,140 --> 01:39:01,360
In closing, I know our water department does an excellent job

1172
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,940
following the current recommended amount of fluidization

1173
01:39:04,940 --> 01:39:06,260
in our city water.

1174
01:39:06,460 --> 01:39:08,360
And even though the federal judge

1175
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:13,580
in the California ruling did not state water fluidization

1176
01:39:13,580 --> 01:39:17,500
should be banned, he did write that it quote presents

1177
01:39:17,500 --> 01:39:22,440
an unreasonable risk of injury to health or the environment and

1178
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:28,020
quote because of these this and these three concerns that I've listed, I feel

1179
01:39:28,020 --> 01:39:34,600
that the city should stop adding hydrovaloric acid to our water supply until

1180
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,920
further information on safety can be provided.

1181
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,000
Thank

1182
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:50,500
you all to Cleveland and moving on to yeah well

1183
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,020
first of all thank you

1184
01:39:56,020 --> 01:39:58,960
for everyone for coming and I really appreciate

1185
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,440
All the opinions in this room. I am a product of having not floridated water growing up and I suffered the consequences of that. I have children and grandchildren who have had floridated water with wonderful teeth. I'm sure some people will say that's coincidence. I believe in the science. I think we have heard from the science community.

1186
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:37,820
me to tonight. I believe one of the other person said something about they weren't a tax

1187
01:40:37,820 --> 01:40:45,840
ecologist. I believe we heard from a tax ecologist tonight. I support the science. I'm not

1188
01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:57,280
qualified to not support the science because that's what I trust. I do know that there are

1189
01:40:58,260 --> 01:41:06,320
studies out there to refute just about anything you believe in. So I believe there

1190
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:11,660
are studies out there that will say this is not good. You can find a study out

1191
01:41:11,660 --> 01:41:16,200
there to say that you know your shampoo is going to make your hair fall out. There's

1192
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:25,680
just like so many studies. You could create some fear and which would drive

1193
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:32,800
people to make decisions. I make decisions on the science and I make decisions for what's good

1194
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:41,720
of the children of this town. And supplements, a lot of people can't even afford to go to the doctor.

1195
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:48,260
They can't afford to go to the dentist. And I highly doubt we're going to supply them all with

1196
01:41:48,260 --> 01:41:50,820
Oral Rinses, that's not realistic.

1197
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,260
So we have to do what we can to help the children

1198
01:41:55,260 --> 01:41:56,120
of this community.

1199
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:59,760
And so I would not be doing my job

1200
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:04,560
if I turned my back on that, I believe

1201
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:05,980
in the children of this community.

1202
01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:09,520
And you know, I am getting old, like the one doctor said,

1203
01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:12,740
I want to protect my teeth too.

1204
01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:15,100
So what's left of them?

1205
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:22,500
So, I am going to support the science, I will be voting to keep the Florida and the water.

1206
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:29,100
I do trust our water department to keep us safe and not go above the loud limits.

1207
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:36,440
And one thing that struck me is someone said, well, I don't hear anyone opposing putting

1208
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:40,760
more vitamin D in milk or fully acid in bread.

1209
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:47,800
That kind of struck me because that is a supplement that's a naturally occurring supplement

1210
01:42:48,210 --> 01:42:50,560
that we add for our health benefits.

1211
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:53,840
And we're doing the same with fluoride.

1212
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:01,160
I urge everyone to think twice before not

1213
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:06,250
listening to science and drawing their own conclusions.

1214
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:16,530
and I urge everyone to think about the children who can't afford to go to the doctor or the

1215
01:43:16,530 --> 01:43:25,350
parents that can't take the time off or don't have health insurance or they just don't have

1216
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:33,370
the means and the kids that are on state aid or some Medicare to go to the dentist have you ever

1217
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:40,170
tried to find a dentist that accepts those benefits. They're not around here and you have to

1218
01:43:40,170 --> 01:43:48,510
drive hours to go there. So I am just a firm believer in the Children Monroe and I will support

1219
01:43:48,510 --> 01:43:49,990
keeping fluoride in the water.

1220
01:43:52,610 --> 01:44:01,660
Thank you. All right. Okay. Okay. And okay. And all they're

1221
01:44:01,660 --> 01:44:02,160
Oh, thanks.

1222
01:44:02,540 --> 01:44:04,060
I'm going to keep it short, sweet.

1223
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,460
I thank every one of you guys being here.

1224
01:44:08,020 --> 01:44:10,520
I respect every one of you for your voices.

1225
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:16,380
I grew up, none, well water.

1226
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:19,860
What I was taught is how to properly brush my teeth,

1227
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,760
how to properly take care of my mouth.

1228
01:44:23,860 --> 01:44:26,040
I think that's a bigger problem we have in the society

1229
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:27,500
than our fluorine or water.

1230
01:44:30,980 --> 01:44:32,060
Do I say it helps?

1231
01:44:32,060 --> 01:44:34,580
I do believe the science but I also believe in choices

1232
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:43,080
Personally, it was down just me. I'd love to see it voted on as an entire city

1233
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:50,260
Put on the ballot and let us vote on it. Um, I don't think it's ethical for us nine to make this decision

1234
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:58,220
But if I have to vote I'm gonna give the vote that we can add it if we need to and I'd rather have the cleaner the water

1235
01:44:58,220 --> 01:44:59,800
We can have without it in there

1236
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:04,160
So, I will say I'm going to be a no. But thank you.

1237
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:35,120
I grew up in the country on well water and no offense. I can't stand the city's water. I bought every different filter that possibly is. And the taste that I grew up with is far superior than what I have in my house. And it's no offense to the tree or plant or nothing. It's just the way I grew up. I grew up brushing my teeth. I never took any supplements. I don't believe in medication.

1238
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:43,640
And a lot of the doctors should wear a patch on their jacket and who pays them the most money to pump drugs into individuals.

1239
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:52,240
And like all the true art said, decisions, decisions, that's right. It's a choice to be made. I make the decisions for my children.

1240
01:45:52,740 --> 01:46:03,220
Just like I don't make any decisions for anybody else's children. You have the choice to medicate your kid, vaccinate your kid. That's not my choice.

1241
01:46:03,220 --> 01:46:07,700
just like my body, my choice, I make the decisions for myself.

1242
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:13,180
I will be voting to remove it because everybody deserves a choice.

1243
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,560
And it shouldn't be on a ballot because everybody needs a decision,

1244
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:19,640
a choice, not just majority.

1245
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:23,500
I agree with Aldrin O'ole.

1246
01:46:23,940 --> 01:46:29,040
I think the nine of us shouldn't make the decision on it since it's a controversial decision.

1247
01:46:29,620 --> 01:46:33,820
We all know how I go for it, but a lot of people don't.

1248
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,840
and I think we just need to put on a ballot in order to vote on it.

1249
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:43,480
It's not my recommendation, but I think that's what sounds like we should do.

1250
01:46:44,420 --> 01:46:49,860
I think that if alders aren't willing to make a controversial decision, they need to rethink their positions.

1251
01:46:50,660 --> 01:46:51,460
Excuse me, positions.

1252
01:46:53,880 --> 01:47:02,280
And also, I'm yet to, you know, this just came up tonight, but I fail to see how we're providing people a choice

1253
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,700
in providing fluoride, you know, there's no,

1254
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,180
what are the logistics of this?

1255
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,720
Are you going to give high alder true hearts,

1256
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:15,840
fluoridated water and me not?

1257
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:19,120
Do I, just, that's not a choice.

1258
01:47:19,660 --> 01:47:22,400
You're not giving, you're not giving the people

1259
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,000
who want fluoride a choice.

1260
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:27,560
You're saying no, we're not doing it.

1261
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:28,600
That's not a choice.

1262
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:36,440
and again remember we're trying to go forward in this town and moving backwards

1263
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:39,720
to 1900 isn't exactly forward.

1264
01:47:46,910 --> 01:47:49,370
Is there anyone else that wants to make a second

1265
01:47:49,370 --> 01:47:54,650
comment because at this time I would also like to have Attorney Bartoff

1266
01:47:55,490 --> 01:48:04,650
explain something about the bowling. For the citizens yeah we can't do a non-binding

1267
01:48:04,650 --> 01:48:13,090
advisory referendum 66.0144 talks says no city may conduct a referendum for

1268
01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:16,850
advisory purposes except for the names of few different statutes which are

1269
01:48:16,850 --> 01:48:23,330
dealing with video service telecommunications local government utilities so

1270
01:48:23,330 --> 01:48:28,130
I wouldn't apply in this situation so we would not be able to do a non-binding

1271
01:48:28,130 --> 01:48:33,090
advisory referendum and as the mayor that was the first thing that came to my

1272
01:48:33,090 --> 01:48:38,970
mind and then I was informed that that was not possible because of the way

1273
01:48:38,970 --> 01:48:46,950
the statutes are so I think it puts you know it puts it on the council but it's

1274
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:52,950
not you know something that we can just make a decision tonight probably I

1275
01:48:52,950 --> 01:49:00,170
don't know is anything compelling us to make a decision at this point are

1276
01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:02,600
we

1277
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:08,840
liable if somebody does start a class action lawsuit because we know of this

1278
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:14,680
information that was presented. I know the audience didn't get it but adding

1279
01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:21,780
fluoride that we know it may be harmful and some of those things are we liable

1280
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:22,460
as a city.

1281
01:49:26,130 --> 01:49:31,390
Well ultimately you can be sued for anything right whether you could win

1282
01:49:31,390 --> 01:49:33,750
or not, there's always class to that.

1283
01:49:34,830 --> 01:49:39,790
So someone could always sue the city if they want to do for something like that, include

1284
01:49:39,790 --> 01:49:44,350
us in a lot of class action.

1285
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:50,090
Cities also do maintain immunity for discretionary decisions like that.

1286
01:49:51,010 --> 01:49:58,150
We also are, there are also different, I think was mentioned today, you know, EPA and the

1287
01:49:58,150 --> 01:49:59,970
state of Wisconsin, a record many...

1288
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:13,240
So, ultimately, there are other signs out there. It's not, hey, if someone develops this, you're not a black and white decision. So, I'm not necessarily myself worried about class actions.

1289
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:23,580
Because of our immunity and different studies and recommendations from the state and federal government that are out there. That doesn't mean it still can't be sued.

1290
01:50:28,940 --> 01:50:32,860
Yeah, I make another comment. Yes, I'll honor that. Well, Mayor.

1291
01:50:32,860 --> 01:50:38,860
you know why? Since all the grants were said we kind of got railroads on this only a couple

1292
01:50:38,860 --> 01:50:47,200
months I think we should wait to say to probably after the next election bring it back up give us

1293
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:55,860
more time in order to get more information I mean the medical field is all for it but we don't have

1294
01:50:56,380 --> 01:51:03,840
information on how it would be if we'd drop it down to 0.5. So I'd like to wait on it, not get

1295
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:10,700
more information. I know we've got a bunch of information, a bunch, but I'd like to get some

1296
01:51:10,700 --> 01:51:14,600
more information and wait on it instead of making such a quick decision right now.

1297
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:17,300
I'll make a

1298
01:51:17,300 --> 01:51:24,800
motion to send this to JNO to repeal the flirtation of our water in the city of Monroe. I'll second

1299
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:25,040
that?

1300
01:51:28,820 --> 01:51:30,680
We have a motion on the floor.

1301
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,980
Is there any further discussion on that motion?

1302
01:51:38,020 --> 01:51:42,560
It goes to JNO and they agree to do it. It'll come back to City Council, correct?

1303
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,580
That's correct and it will still be, we'll have to have another public hearing.

1304
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:52,220
That time, though, the public hearing will be limited to city residents because it's affecting just the city

1305
01:51:52,220 --> 01:51:58,760
matter and so it would probably be and we thought maybe two council meetings if you know

1306
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:04,100
from that judiciary so probably in November and December it would be the most likely.

1307
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:09,480
I guess I don't think the ordinance language would be too hard to update for it to go to

1308
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:16,060
day and oh so it would take two council meetings because after day and oh recommends council

1309
01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:20,820
would set the public hearing for the following council meeting so you'd be looking at probably

1310
01:52:20,820 --> 01:52:26,840
six week process. Council recommends it to Jane O'Jane or reveals it sends it back to council

1311
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:32,960
public hearing notification then the actual. That is correct.

1312
01:52:35,820 --> 01:52:38,840
No does everyone understand that?

1313
01:52:39,380 --> 01:52:40,060
Do I read it?

1314
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:46,560
Read it back. So the motion is to send this to Jane O to repeal the

1315
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:56,280
forwardation. Can you can you please explain what JNO is for those who don't. So it's a judiciary and

1316
01:52:56,280 --> 01:53:02,140
ordinance review committee. It's another subcommittee that council members sit on and they review

1317
01:53:02,140 --> 01:53:07,440
any of the changes to the ordinances and then they make a recommendation to council to approve those

1318
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:08,360
or not to approve those.

1319
01:53:15,900 --> 01:53:20,320
So this is just an avenue to take it back and then

1320
01:53:23,500 --> 01:53:28,680
Since the decision to fill the water is set by in the city,

1321
01:53:28,740 --> 01:53:30,760
I'm going to roll through the ordinance nature,

1322
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:33,140
then we would have to change that ordinance

1323
01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:35,780
and change it ordinance and ask about that process.

1324
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:42,560
But until it goes back, it will be in the water, yes.

1325
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,320
OK, so everyone understands that, correct?

1326
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:51,780
OK, so is there any further discussion for questions?

1327
01:53:53,560 --> 01:54:02,700
OK, at this time, all in favor say, I oppose no and a clerk will call the role to send it back to judiciary.

1328
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,500
OK, do you understand that?

1329
01:54:06,460 --> 01:54:08,940
That's the motion to send it back. OK?

1330
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:14,620
So it does not pass the send back to JNO. What happens?

1331
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:18,070
It stays in the water.

1332
01:54:18,370 --> 01:54:19,110
It stays in the water.

1333
01:54:19,330 --> 01:54:21,510
It's a peror dancing. We have to do that.

1334
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:25,840
OK.

1335
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:25,900
all right?

1336
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:27,840
All their granny?

1337
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:28,440
Aye.

1338
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:29,780
Older Cleveland?

1339
01:54:30,380 --> 01:54:30,700
Aye.

1340
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:31,980
Older Grenzot?

1341
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:33,320
No.

1342
01:54:33,940 --> 01:54:35,060
Well, they're too hurt?

1343
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:35,980
No.

1344
01:54:36,540 --> 01:54:37,320
Older Miller?

1345
01:54:37,980 --> 01:54:38,580
No.

1346
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:40,380
Older Wartonweiler?

1347
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:41,180
Aye.

1348
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:42,740
Older Noel?

1349
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:43,400
Aye.

1350
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:45,120
Older Shaper?

1351
01:54:45,780 --> 01:54:45,920
No.

1352
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:48,000
And Older Talman?

1353
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:48,560
Aye.

1354
01:54:55,210 --> 01:54:58,430
So that will be going back to the end of the judiciary

1355
01:54:58,430 --> 01:54:59,890
in our reduced review committee.

1356
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,620
Committee to be repealed and, okay,

1357
01:55:07,490 --> 01:55:33,330
and then it will be brought back according to what the ordinance and or judiciary and ordinance decides to bring it back. They don't make the final decision. It's just in committee, okay. Does everyone understand that? Does it need any further? No, I think that will likely put it on for next Monday for the judiciary, maybe.

1358
01:55:33,330 --> 01:55:42,070
I mean, you're just saying ideally based on the ready drafting, agendas and election and other items coming up and budget and things that will have to be considered.

1359
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:53,930
It would probably be in the best interest of time and energy to avoid again to potentially have JNO on the 11th Council set the public hearing on the 18th to occur on December 2nd.

1360
01:55:57,870 --> 01:55:59,690
So you will,

1361
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:11,420
sorry, you will be notified of that through the publication and in the agenda announcements.

1362
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:12,600
Okay.

1363
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:15,800
And thank you all for coming and your input.

1364
01:56:16,420 --> 01:56:18,040
It's greatly appreciated.

1365
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,780
I know it's taken a long time, but it was worth sitting through.

1366
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:27,180
And this is not an easy decision for these nine members to make.

1367
01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:37,680
and I'm sure that we're going to have to really look at this and so but we'll

1368
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:41,280
keep you informed and you can keep us informed because we have plenty of

1369
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:46,980
things to back us up. Thank you. Thank you for coming and

1370
01:56:49,310 --> 01:56:50,410
we still have our

1371
01:56:50,410 --> 01:56:54,070
meeting for those of you that want a city and on it.

1372
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:10,200
Okay,

1373
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:14,550
we're down to license committee, aren't we?

1374
01:57:14,610 --> 01:57:14,930
That's correct.

1375
01:57:15,130 --> 01:57:15,230
Yeah.

1376
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:15,790
Okay.

1377
01:57:16,050 --> 01:57:16,490
All right.

1378
01:57:17,130 --> 01:57:17,450
Okay.

1379
01:57:18,170 --> 01:57:19,290
Moving on.

1380
01:57:19,390 --> 01:57:23,310
The license committee, a resolution approving the temporary class B-1.

1381
01:57:24,230 --> 01:57:24,790
Pardon?

1382
01:57:25,230 --> 01:57:25,410
What?

1383
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:28,680
What happened?

1384
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:30,420
We wanted a five minute break.

1385
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:31,080
Two people.

1386
01:57:31,460 --> 01:57:31,900
Oh.

1387
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:34,720
Oh, sure.

1388
01:57:34,980 --> 01:57:36,340
I didn't realize that.

1389
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:38,120
They all just

1390
01:57:43,690 --> 01:57:45,670
rammed the legs for breakfast.

1391
01:58:15,530 --> 01:58:17,130
Oh, how are we going for cookies?

1392
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:19,730
Everybody else is getting up from them with my legs.

1393
01:58:19,950 --> 01:58:20,130
Yeah.

1394
02:04:56,780 --> 02:04:59,960
Okay. Our five minute break and we're back.

1395
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,740
Second session. This is the license committee. We have everybody? Okay. The resolution approving temporary class B wine and malt beverage license in beer garden to Main Street Monroe LLC in conjunction with the first Thursday wine walk. I have a resolution granting temporary class B permitted malt beverage and wine likes to Main Street Monroe in conjunction with the wine walk multiple locally locations.

1396
02:05:29,740 --> 02:05:32,920
and be resolved by the Comma Council of the City of Mineral upon recommendation from

1397
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:36,960
the License Committee that the temporary Class B wine license for picnics and gatherings

1398
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:42,740
be here by granted the main street with a numerous locations here to be held on November

1399
02:05:42,740 --> 02:05:47,500
7th, 2024 from 4 to 9 p.m. and I move for its approval.

1400
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:48,560
I'll say again.

1401
02:05:49,660 --> 02:05:52,500
Is there any further discussion hearing

1402
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:56,790
none?

1403
02:05:57,730 --> 02:06:01,750
All those in favor see aye oppose no and the clerk will call the roll.

1404
02:06:01,750 --> 02:06:09,810
All the Cleveland, all the Grinzo, all the Chouhart, all the Mueller, all the

1405
02:06:09,810 --> 02:06:16,470
Wharton-Wyler, all the Noel, all the Shaffer, all their Toman, and all their

1406
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:21,830
Cranig. Okay, and that passes unanimously. Yeah.

1407
02:06:24,660 --> 02:06:25,340
Oh,

1408
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:31,560
I'm up here. Yeah, there we go.

1409
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:35,460
Okay, and moving on to Public Safety Committee.

1410
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:39,060
Read the resolution approving the special event for Main Street.

1411
02:06:39,260 --> 02:06:41,260
Monroe, first there's the wine walk.

1412
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:41,960
I

1413
02:06:45,130 --> 02:06:48,050
have a resolution approving special events.

1414
02:06:48,510 --> 02:06:56,690
We are resolved by the Common Council of the City of Monroe upon recommendation of the Public Safety Committee that the approval be hereby given for the following special events.

1415
02:06:57,650 --> 02:07:02,550
and it's just one, Monroe Main Street to hold the Main Street Wine Walk event on November

1416
02:07:02,550 --> 02:07:10,130
7, 2024 from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. in the downtown area. It's offered by the Public Safety Committee

1417
02:07:10,130 --> 02:07:14,470
dated this 21st day of October, 2024, and I move for its approval.

1418
02:07:15,010 --> 02:07:18,070
Second, okay, is there any further discussion?

1419
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:24,340
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye,

1420
02:07:24,340 --> 02:07:26,660
I oppose no and the clerk will call the roll.

1421
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:27,860
Older grinzo.

1422
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:30,660
Older Truhart.

1423
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:31,280
Aye.

1424
02:07:31,740 --> 02:07:32,240
Older Miller.

1425
02:07:32,660 --> 02:07:32,800
Aye.

1426
02:07:33,260 --> 02:07:33,940
Older Wharton-Waller.

1427
02:07:34,180 --> 02:07:34,420
Aye.

1428
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:35,200
Older Noel.

1429
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:35,820
Aye.

1430
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:36,760
Older Schaefer.

1431
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:37,560
Aye.

1432
02:07:38,060 --> 02:07:38,580
Older Toman.

1433
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:39,140
Aye.

1434
02:07:39,700 --> 02:07:40,500
Older Draenig.

1435
02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:40,840
Aye.

1436
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:41,700
Older Cleveland.

1437
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:42,260
Aye.

1438
02:07:42,900 --> 02:07:42,960
Aye.

1439
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:43,040
Aye.

1440
02:07:43,060 --> 02:07:43,100
Aye.

1441
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:43,200
Aye.

1442
02:07:43,380 --> 02:07:43,500
Aye.

1443
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:43,960
Aye.

1444
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:46,920
and I was moving on to salary and personnel committee,

1445
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:49,300
the resolution approving years of service,

1446
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:54,180
accreditation for new hire at PTO accrual.

1447
02:08:00,550 --> 02:08:01,730
Does anybody have that?

1448
02:08:04,700 --> 02:08:04,960
I have.

1449
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,440
It's here for someone else.

1450
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:10,780
I don't have a resolution approving engineering technician

1451
02:08:10,780 --> 02:08:12,640
paid time off, accrual right,

1452
02:08:12,940 --> 02:08:15,260
be it resolved by the Common Council of City Monroe

1453
02:08:15,260 --> 02:08:18,660
upon recommendation of the salary and personnel committee

1454
02:08:18,660 --> 02:08:24,520
the engineering technician be accredited for four years of service to begin a

1455
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:31,440
brewing paid time off at the rate of 160 hours per year offered by the salary

1456
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:36,700
and personal committee dated this 21st day of October 2024 and I move for its approval.

1457
02:08:39,470 --> 02:08:42,710
Okay, is there any further discussion?

1458
02:08:43,770 --> 02:08:52,170
I have a question, is this include holidays also and why are we going to a four year service when you just hired?

1459
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:09,380
Yeah, pretty much just trying to look for the four years we posted twice for this position.

1460
02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:13,120
This last time we had five applicants we interviewed three.

1461
02:09:14,340 --> 02:09:18,520
So kind of narrowing it down this existing person has eight years experience in public works.

1462
02:09:19,060 --> 02:09:23,980
working on that, so we looked at a credit EM for half of his years of

1463
02:09:23,980 --> 02:09:29,040
experience for the PTO portion, because he did ask for it with that movement he

1464
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:36,200
would start out at basically 0 until after one year of accreditation. Does this

1465
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:40,780
include holidays or holidays on top of this? Holidays are on top of that.

1466
02:09:47,010 --> 02:09:47,590
So this

1467
02:09:47,590 --> 02:09:52,310
would be equivalent to vacation and sick leave, correct? Correct.

1468
02:09:58,080 --> 02:09:58,980
Okay, any other

1469
02:09:58,980 --> 02:09:59,740
questions available.

1470
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,180
All these up here? Okay. Thank you, Al.

1471
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:06,560
Okay.

1472
02:10:10,780 --> 02:10:12,120
Is there any more discussion?

1473
02:10:14,420 --> 02:10:35,120
Hearing none. All in favor say aye. Opposed? No. And the clerk will call the roll. All their true heart? Aye. All their Miller? No. All their Wartweiler? Aye. All their Noel? Aye. All their Shaffer? Aye. All their Tollman? Aye. All their Cranig? Aye. All their Cleveland? Aye.

1474
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:36,420
and older grunzo.

1475
02:10:37,020 --> 02:10:39,020
Okay, and that passes.

1476
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:48,900
Moving on to the discussion regarding the quarterly HSA contribution versus annual HSA

1477
02:10:48,900 --> 02:10:49,880
contribution.

1478
02:11:00,860 --> 02:11:05,920
Resolution approving quarterly health savings account payments with accelerated payment

1479
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:08,900
option for high cost pharmaceuticals.

1480
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:13,480
Be it resolved by the City of Monroe Common Council upon recommendation of the salary and

1481
02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:31,200
personal committee to authorize the addition of the accelerated application policy for high-cost pharmaceuticals in support of the health savings account quarterly payment program effective January 1st, 2025, a copy of which attached here to for reference.

1482
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:35,420
This is the date of this 21st day of October 2024 and I move for its approval.

1483
02:11:38,080 --> 02:11:40,860
Is there any further discussion on that?

1484
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:52,060
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye, a pose no, and the clerk will call the roll.

1485
02:11:53,640 --> 02:12:04,280
All their Miller, aye, all their Wartweiler, aye, all their no, aye, all their shaffer, aye, all their tomen, aye, all their

1486
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:10,140
Dr. Crannick, Alder-Cleven, Alder-Grenzel, and Alder-Jullhart.

1487
02:12:10,260 --> 02:12:13,040
And that resolution passes.

1488
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:19,880
Moving on to the Council of the Whole, a resolution approving the business improvement

1489
02:12:19,880 --> 02:12:23,420
district, 2024 operating plan levy.

1490
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:28,120
Be resolved by the Common Council of Steven Earl of the approval and acceptance be here

1491
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:33,580
up by given for the business improvement district operating plan for calendar year 2025, a copy

1492
02:12:33,580 --> 02:12:39,540
of which is attached here to and made part here by reference dated this 21st day of October

1493
02:12:39,540 --> 02:12:41,720
2024 and I move for its approval.

1494
02:12:44,720 --> 02:12:49,360
I'll second that. Okay. Is there any further discussion?

1495
02:12:53,220 --> 02:12:57,600
Hearing none. All in favor say aye. A poll is no and the clerk will call the roll.

1496
02:12:58,820 --> 02:13:07,100
Older Wartweiler? Aye. Older Noel? Aye. Older Shaffer? Aye. Older Toman? Aye. Older Cranig? Aye.

1497
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:17,010
Okay, Alder Cleveland, Alder Grenzo, Alder Truhart, and Aldermiller, and that passes.

1498
02:13:18,270 --> 02:13:30,580
Moving on to, at this time, we'll hold the public hearing on the shared ride fair rate increase, and at this time, we'll have-

1499
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:39,520
I do have a list of individuals that did sign up for this, so I can read through and have them come up and

1500
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:44,000
speak on that behalf. The first one and I apologize, I can't really read the

1501
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:49,720
signature is maybe a gym or it's the one that lives in unit 217.

1502
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:53,780
Is that your job or Jen made it?

1503
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:00,420
Well, you need to know your name.

1504
02:14:01,580 --> 02:14:06,980
No, thank you. My name's Melody Jenkins. I write the cab. I would just want you guys to

1505
02:14:06,980 --> 02:14:13,380
keep the fill race with right now. So I hope you guys this I hope you guys just make

1506
02:14:13,380 --> 02:14:15,660
a good association on that. Thanks. Bye.

1507
02:14:18,070 --> 02:14:22,970
Thank you. Okay. Is there anyone else that wishes

1508
02:14:22,970 --> 02:14:29,730
to be heard? We do have a Sean Sharon Miller.

1509
02:14:40,580 --> 02:14:46,300
I'm Sharon Miller. I live at 813th Avenue

1510
02:14:46,300 --> 02:14:54,820
Churchill Woods. I don't always ride the cab, but sometimes I do and I just find

1511
02:14:54,820 --> 02:14:59,980
compared to what we had where I used to live, it's a...

1512
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:18,480
It's really affordable for older people. And sometimes I have to write it and it's nice that it's there. And I hope that you keep the rates the way they are so that we who are on fixed income can better afford them.

1513
02:15:20,140 --> 02:15:26,440
Thank you and then is it Jim is Jeff okay my

1514
02:15:30,150 --> 02:15:31,530
name is

1515
02:15:36,990 --> 02:15:38,010
smart

1516
02:15:42,430 --> 02:15:48,730
this isn't good okay my name is Jeff Prophet I live at Churchill Woods

1517
02:15:48,730 --> 02:15:57,790
that's 813th Avenue, I've been there about 12 years and I used to drive in 2018,

1518
02:15:58,510 --> 02:16:04,810
took it to work for a room, and I've seen both sides of the coin I guess. When

1519
02:16:04,810 --> 02:16:10,010
it's people told me they're riding along that hey we need this because I can't

1520
02:16:10,010 --> 02:16:16,190
see because some people had been here, I don't have a car and in that time

1521
02:16:16,190 --> 02:16:23,530
since then I don't have a car either so I can see where the ride is beneficial to me but I don't

1522
02:16:23,530 --> 02:16:32,510
know about raising the amount of costs for disabled and elderly is well you know kind of beneficial to

1523
02:16:32,510 --> 02:16:39,310
the people so security is not giving us an increase it's worth the darn so everything else is more

1524
02:16:39,310 --> 02:16:45,370
expensive but the cab should be something we should try to keep level for everybody to pay for

1525
02:16:45,370 --> 02:16:52,390
You know, because it's hard. I mean it is hard. We have a fixed income and you know, take care of all that stuff.

1526
02:16:52,590 --> 02:16:57,590
So, please will not to increase it. Thank you.

1527
02:16:58,010 --> 02:16:58,510
Thank you.

1528
02:16:59,630 --> 02:17:00,070
Okay.

1529
02:17:00,850 --> 02:17:02,530
And let me do a Pat Brandenburg.

1530
02:17:08,130 --> 02:17:13,610
Good evening. Thanks for listening. This I'm Pat Brandenburg. I'm executive director to Monroe Housing Authority.

1531
02:17:13,610 --> 02:17:19,430
the three people that you see there are part of my 85 tenants and I want to thank

1532
02:17:19,430 --> 02:17:23,730
whoever did the public hearing into the paper for the cardiac arrest I almost had.

1533
02:17:24,410 --> 02:17:32,790
It was listed as going up $1.50 a ticket and our disabled and elderly as they said it in

1534
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:37,250
the thing said it was going to go up $1.75 on a $2.25 ticket.

1535
02:17:38,210 --> 02:17:41,350
Okay that put me in a little panic but that got me going with these guys.

1536
02:17:41,350 --> 02:17:46,830
So the average ride will increase 50 cents as they ride both ways, they don't have cars,

1537
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:48,210
they need a place to go.

1538
02:17:49,470 --> 02:17:52,070
There are 85 tenants that reside at Churchill Woods.

1539
02:17:52,550 --> 02:17:58,050
This will give them, they will get them to Walmart at $5 around truck, so much for going

1540
02:17:58,050 --> 02:17:58,590
for savings.

1541
02:17:59,330 --> 02:18:06,070
75 cents if they go to the bank is the increase that we're talking because the cab will take

1542
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:10,270
you from Churchill Woods to Walmart then to the bank or vice versa.

1543
02:18:10,270 --> 02:18:17,350
They will hit your ticket every time so you'll end up hitting three tickets and they do try to save and they do try to get a

1544
02:18:17,350 --> 02:18:23,330
Right share, which is another point I was going to ask you for. If you would not raise the increase on a

1545
02:18:23,330 --> 02:18:31,290
Right share so that more of the tenants would go together and be able to save that money right there because right now you're talking a

1546
02:18:31,290 --> 02:18:38,050
Quarter increase on everything. I'm also asking because we sell 180 tickets per month to our tenants.

1547
02:18:38,050 --> 02:18:42,390
some ride more than others, some pay cash as they ride, so I don't have a number

1548
02:18:42,390 --> 02:18:47,710
to give you of how many people actually use the cab totally, but I can tell you

1549
02:18:47,710 --> 02:18:53,310
I have 85 residents, so that does make a difference. Some of these people tip the

1550
02:18:53,310 --> 02:18:58,950
driver, some tip over a dollar a ride. Will that change? I would think so, but

1551
02:18:58,950 --> 02:19:06,250
that's up to them. Cola, Costa Living Adjustment, was 3.2% last year for

1552
02:19:06,250 --> 02:19:09,130
or January 1st for Social Security for those of us

1553
02:19:09,130 --> 02:19:11,070
that are aware of that.

1554
02:19:11,430 --> 02:19:13,730
And the average person that lives in my building,

1555
02:19:13,730 --> 02:19:16,330
that's about $32 a month raised.

1556
02:19:17,070 --> 02:19:19,650
So when you start calculating that back into your rides

1557
02:19:19,650 --> 02:19:23,530
at a quarter ride, which is $0.50, both ways,

1558
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:26,390
then the $32 starts disappearing.

1559
02:19:27,230 --> 02:19:30,210
Some have to go by cab to get to the clinic.

1560
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:33,550
Well, we all know you get your blood tests in the morning,

1561
02:19:33,710 --> 02:19:34,930
then you come back at one o'clock.

1562
02:19:34,930 --> 02:19:40,770
So the poor person what do they do because they can't stay there for lunch they have to ride back get their

1563
02:19:40,770 --> 02:19:45,390
Lunch at their home at their department and then go back again. That's two more rides

1564
02:19:45,390 --> 02:19:49,210
That's 50 cents more. I just want you guys to do the calculation for me

1565
02:19:49,210 --> 02:19:54,930
So we are blessed to have carrying cab drivers on the service as much as we are here there are there

1566
02:19:54,930 --> 02:19:59,790
The service has been interrupted by whether staff short staff shortage and

1567
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,640
Aye, abstain or not working. Low income means $20,600 a year. That's mostly SSI. Those are the people that are qualified to live at Churchill Woods. It doesn't cover extra clinic trips, grocery trips, and Walmart, as well as visiting the Main Street stores and markets. And Farmers Market isn't free to get there if you can't walk. So $20,600 divided by 12 is $1,700 a month before medical expenses and Indian insurance payments. A lot of people

1568
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:36,540
try to be on a Medicare supplement if they can afford it. It's $182 a month, but that

1569
02:20:36,540 --> 02:20:43,440
take that out of your $1,700. Okay, please consider no increase, at least for our community

1570
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:48,740
of the low income seniors and persons with disability. That's why I'm here. I'm just asking

1571
02:20:48,740 --> 02:20:56,260
you to give them a break. And my mouth is dry because it's a good time. So I also want state

1572
02:20:56,260 --> 02:21:00,140
that you wanted to raise it a quarter for children to ride.

1573
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:05,000
I, as a parent, had two children go to a wonderful babysitter.

1574
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:08,200
It was a lot more feasible and economic for me

1575
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:12,200
to have the wonderful cab service take them to grandma.

1576
02:21:12,460 --> 02:21:15,740
Or their babysitting service while they were growing up.

1577
02:21:16,180 --> 02:21:18,580
Then for me to punch out at students,

1578
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:20,560
go get them at Northside, drive them,

1579
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:23,200
clear over by a quick trip, and then go to work.

1580
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:25,260
And bosses don't really like that

1581
02:21:25,260 --> 02:21:26,600
when you're not there to answer the phone.

1582
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,100
So I'm just trying to tell you that years ago,

1583
02:21:29,540 --> 02:21:31,460
I found that as a great benefit

1584
02:21:31,460 --> 02:21:33,980
to have that in the community,

1585
02:21:33,980 --> 02:21:36,420
and I would have paid $1 more,

1586
02:21:36,520 --> 02:21:38,880
whatever it would have cost to get them back and forth.

1587
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:42,620
So that's what I have to say.

1588
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:43,160
Thank you.

1589
02:21:43,300 --> 02:21:44,640
Hope I didn't use it in my three minutes.

1590
02:21:45,780 --> 02:21:46,420
Thank you.

1591
02:21:46,660 --> 02:21:47,380
Oh, yeah.

1592
02:21:49,300 --> 02:21:49,740
OK.

1593
02:21:53,820 --> 02:21:54,260
OK.

1594
02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:57,120
Thank you for your input tonight.

1595
02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:02,560
we appreciate that okay so yeah

1596
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:10,020
oh yeah at this time the public hearing is

1597
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:15,920
closed since we have no more speakers okay can you give us all a background of

1598
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:21,180
where this originated from is this from can we call the next session the first but

1599
02:22:21,180 --> 02:22:27,340
we ask your question can we ask yeah yeah the right and moving on to the

1600
02:22:27,340 --> 02:22:37,200
resolution approving the sole bid for shared ride to yeah we're so we yeah what

1601
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:42,640
this is just the fair rates but then the bid is a separate item what so we

1602
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:48,260
would have to do the public hearing and that's it for there's no motion well there

1603
02:22:48,260 --> 02:22:52,780
could be good in their discussion we're still on the same area yeah we're

1604
02:23:03,300 --> 02:23:11,600
So this increase come from the company that's doing it or I guess can you give like a

1605
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:16,320
happily yeah I will give a background kind of a where we're at or why this is here before you

1606
02:23:16,320 --> 02:23:22,600
So this year, as you see on the next item, we are up for having to out forbid for our shared

1607
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:23,400
ride services.

1608
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:28,300
Over the last couple of years with Council, there's been discussion on those services.

1609
02:23:28,780 --> 02:23:33,540
There was also sometimes discussions on the rates and if that could help with any of the

1610
02:23:33,540 --> 02:23:34,280
services.

1611
02:23:34,740 --> 02:23:39,380
And so at that point of kind of always was said when we go out for bid, maybe that's something

1612
02:23:39,380 --> 02:23:40,180
we then evaluate.

1613
02:23:40,660 --> 02:23:44,180
So it's actually been something that's been discussed with the Council over the last couple

1614
02:23:44,180 --> 02:23:50,500
years of saying let's be mindful of that when we go into a new contract. It is not anything

1615
02:23:50,500 --> 02:23:57,820
of that. Any of the increased rates does not go to the provider. It is partly what

1616
02:23:57,820 --> 02:24:02,760
actually we would then offset what we have to pay the provider. So when we, you look

1617
02:24:02,760 --> 02:24:07,660
at the next item, there's a contract. They bill us for the hours that they're out driving

1618
02:24:07,660 --> 02:24:13,960
and providing the services and they collect the fair revenue. They deduct that from the hours

1619
02:24:13,960 --> 02:24:19,300
that they're charging us. So if we collect a little bit more in fairs it might help offset

1620
02:24:19,300 --> 02:24:26,640
what we're paying towards the shared-ride program. With that since I've been here and even

1621
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:32,240
I know at the last renewal there was not any consideration of rate increases in those

1622
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:37,260
five or six years. I don't know the exact date of when any last consideration of rate increases

1623
02:24:37,260 --> 02:24:42,740
have occurred. Also I do apologize for it. There's a 30-day notice for this public hearing

1624
02:24:42,740 --> 02:24:47,800
and was still in the midst of trying to gather information to tie it with the

1625
02:24:47,800 --> 02:24:53,840
consideration of the contract. So the initial increase that was put in that

1626
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:59,740
30-day notice we did get a listing from the DOT of everybody that's involved in the

1627
02:24:59,740 --> 02:24:59,980
Thank you very much.

1628
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:27,720
Board, right, and what their rates were, and we kind of went to the average rate after further investigation and discussions too. Feel like that would be too much of an increase. Obviously, we want to be mindful of that we don't want to have negative impacts on the users that this benefits. We also don't want to, I mean, there's there's cost and demand that if you potentially increase it too much, they're going to find different avenues.

1629
02:25:27,720 --> 02:25:32,240
will have less riders and then we could even see us actually having to pay more

1630
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:37,900
annually as well. Another thought and thing to be mindful of is that was kind

1631
02:25:37,900 --> 02:25:42,060
of detailed to my memo is during kind of the COVID time frame there were

1632
02:25:42,060 --> 02:25:48,280
additional grants through CARES Act so there was a lot there were a couple

1633
02:25:48,280 --> 02:25:52,940
years where we weren't having to it was almost fully covered through grants that

1634
02:25:52,940 --> 02:25:58,700
we're now starting to see that fall off and so we will continue to see that our

1635
02:25:58,700 --> 02:26:02,860
city's portion will continue to potentially increase or at least more than

1636
02:26:02,860 --> 02:26:09,720
what it has been in the past. It did include so for the 2024 program the

1637
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:16,900
overall operating expenses is projected to be 672. 40% of that is set to be

1638
02:26:16,900 --> 02:26:24,900
We've covered through federal funding, 12% by state, and then about 28% local, so that

1639
02:26:24,900 --> 02:26:27,320
would be about $193,000.

1640
02:26:29,180 --> 02:26:35,500
She alluded to that what I made in the recommended memo for increases was a 25% increase each

1641
02:26:35,500 --> 02:26:41,260
year for the next four years, and then the dollar increased to additional passenger.

1642
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:46,480
something to be mindful of like so package delivery that's if say somebody goes

1643
02:26:46,480 --> 02:26:52,320
from the hospital back home and they utilize a wheelchair but then that wheelchair

1644
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:56,060
has to get returned to the hospital you're paying for that wheelchair to go back

1645
02:26:56,060 --> 02:26:59,540
that's not typically covered by the resident it's actually covered by the

1646
02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:03,840
hospital or the clinic or the agency that's asking for that package to be

1647
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:08,920
delivered an agency fare which might cover some of the items she's referring to I'm

1648
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:11,460
not positive in their exact scenarios,

1649
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:13,960
but agency is when somebody is, say,

1650
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:17,220
on a supported like Medicaid or badger care

1651
02:27:17,700 --> 02:27:20,740
to go to their appointments and those services

1652
02:27:20,740 --> 02:27:23,360
then part of what they do is provide transportation

1653
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:25,660
to their appointments and so the agency

1654
02:27:25,660 --> 02:27:27,640
or the insurance has then covered that.

1655
02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:30,300
So that's why there's a proposed annual increase

1656
02:27:30,300 --> 02:27:31,760
of a dollar for the next four years

1657
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:34,820
that wouldn't impact the riders themselves directly

1658
02:27:35,260 --> 02:27:36,780
and it's still very competitive

1659
02:27:36,780 --> 02:27:49,460
from what I've been told through the organizations because if the agency can't get a ride through the local transport they have to pay like for somebody to come down from Madison or something else to still get them there.

1660
02:27:50,040 --> 02:27:53,840
So then they're paying like $30 for the ride versus the $8.

1661
02:27:56,940 --> 02:28:05,080
So with that, I mean I'm not saying, even when I brought this forward, I'm bringing it forward because it was mentioned maybe we should consider it.

1662
02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:14,600
I think it could be important to the sustainability as we're starting to find kind of our share has increased since the lapse of the CARES Act.

1663
02:28:15,480 --> 02:28:22,960
It's totally open to negotiation or your thoughts or further consideration if you need further time to discuss.

1664
02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:34,580
I did kind of show in the memo also like an example to help give a picture of like a monthly invoice how they charge the $36.59 for other hours.

1665
02:28:34,580 --> 02:28:40,080
they serve so that they drove around for 1165 hours, so there's a bill for 42,000.

1666
02:28:40,660 --> 02:28:45,680
But from the riders that rode that month, they collected 8,900, so then we owe that difference.

1667
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:50,460
So if we increase some of those fares, they can help to offset that difference that we're

1668
02:28:50,460 --> 02:28:51,200
paying monthly.

1669
02:28:52,180 --> 02:28:59,900
The agency, if you increase it, there's approximately 4,000, 7,000 rides annually that are billed

1670
02:28:59,900 --> 02:29:05,480
that way. And that, so if you take that with a dollar increase, that's 7,000 increase

1671
02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:12,660
the first year and 20,000,000 by the third year. For the other rides, it was about,

1672
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:19,360
well

1673
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:27,380
it would equate to 42,000 regular trips annually. So if you take an increase of 25 cents, that

1674
02:29:27,380 --> 02:29:34,100
equates to about 10,000 annually. Of an increase, and that's to our revenue, not to the impact

1675
02:29:34,100 --> 02:29:37,680
of like she shared a good perspective of what it might do to a specific writer

1676
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:43,220
themselves of how often they use it so to balance the both sides of that how much

1677
02:29:43,220 --> 02:29:50,460
did the bid go up from the last one so I mean where there's only one company

1678
02:29:50,460 --> 02:29:53,980
you can't get anybody else to bid it unfortunately we've been trying we've

1679
02:29:53,980 --> 02:29:58,460
been trying for what four years yeah every time it's been I think I think the

1680
02:29:58,460 --> 02:29:59,980
The pride, well, the pride...

1681
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,640
We're two bids ago. I think they didn't initially get one and had to go out for a second bid, and then the last time, which, so it happens every five years, we did get the one, and now we do have, again, one.

1682
02:30:13,340 --> 02:30:23,440
It's going to look as approximately, I think we're currently at the 36, and it might go to 39 per hour,

1683
02:30:28,470 --> 02:30:29,970
39.96.

1684
02:30:29,970 --> 02:30:54,500
Yeah, so that charges for them to pay what it does is it charges for the coverage of their drivers having the vehicles, their insurance, the maintenance of the vehicles, the dispatch team, then providing the services of also that's required as part of information needed for the grants and the reporting and things to that nature.

1685
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:58,760
So it's not like the driver just sees that that goes to the whole administration.

1686
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:06,480
and it goes to however many drivers are out at that time as well, but that's what they charge at that point.

1687
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:10,860
A few questions. Are the drivers getting a pay increase?

1688
02:31:12,100 --> 02:31:14,500
So that would not be a factor of this.

1689
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:24,180
How much would the impact would be if we would not increase the shared ride, the second rider in the cab?

1690
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:33,380
or also if we do some adjustment on if they've got to stop at Walmart and make a couple different stops.

1691
02:31:34,260 --> 02:31:41,560
Yeah, we can't change that. We don't charge for those. I think that would say I could double check on that.

1692
02:31:41,620 --> 02:31:48,260
But I'm pretty certain we would still have to charge for each of those. And if there's an additional rider, but we can impact it by how much we do charge.

1693
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:55,200
The I don't have the stats in front of me of how many additional passengers and I believe

1694
02:31:55,200 --> 02:32:01,000
for my call she even said that would be hard to always know because sometimes they might

1695
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:04,980
call to go for the ride and then along the way to somebody else calls and dispatch will

1696
02:32:04,980 --> 02:32:10,460
say there's somebody here and they'll pick that up and so it's not always but more often

1697
02:32:10,460 --> 02:32:15,120
than not they can it's that they coordinate it but she didn't have that I don't have that

1698
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,520
in front of me to know the impact and report right now.

1699
02:32:22,410 --> 02:32:26,430
If somebody's already in the cab and then the cab company gets called or someone else

1700
02:32:26,430 --> 02:32:29,830
to pick them up, they charge full rates for both of them.

1701
02:32:30,530 --> 02:32:32,150
No, I don't believe so.

1702
02:32:32,390 --> 02:32:39,250
So I believe as it was described to me as that the part of the shared ride is that you could

1703
02:32:39,250 --> 02:32:43,510
be riding with somebody that you don't know to go, like you both want to go to Walmart

1704
02:32:44,130 --> 02:32:48,990
and around the same time they'll coordinate that through the dispatch and so then I believe

1705
02:32:48,990 --> 02:32:52,250
than it would only be the one in the in the shared.

1706
02:32:52,250 --> 02:32:56,950
I said it is interesting because how do you know I don't you I don't know and they didn't

1707
02:32:56,950 --> 02:33:01,210
really say I don't know somebody can speak to it but like how do you determine who pays

1708
02:33:01,210 --> 02:33:06,050
being the additional passenger versus not but it's a possibility but I think more often

1709
02:33:06,050 --> 02:33:12,030
than not your coordinating that ahead of time I don't know how often that but you said

1710
02:33:12,030 --> 02:33:18,030
earlier about like the hospital or something of the wheelchair has to go back or something

1711
02:33:18,030 --> 02:33:23,830
like that. Is there a percentage higher in this? Like if we could take some of this and

1712
02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:29,110
put it on the provider to offset it? Because I mean they have deeper pockets.

1713
02:33:29,730 --> 02:33:33,810
So the increases for them are greater, I think, currently, like the agency, like we're doing

1714
02:33:33,810 --> 02:33:40,810
the dollar increase instead of the 25 cent increase. So it is more, and it is a lesser

1715
02:33:40,810 --> 02:33:54,070
ridership. Also the package delivery was 8, yes, currently 650 and the proposal I have

1716
02:33:54,070 --> 02:33:59,030
has increased that to 10. So those are a greater percentage increase in those that are

1717
02:33:59,660 --> 02:34:01,950
versus the other riders.

1718
02:34:04,410 --> 02:34:07,170
Are they still doing the for the bars late night stuff?

1719
02:34:07,650 --> 02:34:13,050
So no, and that's not included in the proposal that was submitted.

1720
02:34:13,450 --> 02:34:16,110
Is into the tabernacle also help out with some of the funding?

1721
02:34:16,510 --> 02:34:21,370
At one point I believe they may have, but that isn't the case anymore.

1722
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:25,650
I believe they might even have their own scenario right now or something to anager.

1723
02:34:26,330 --> 02:34:27,470
There's nothing out there for them.

1724
02:34:27,710 --> 02:34:31,410
That's something we really, with this kind of assistance that we're paying them,

1725
02:34:31,550 --> 02:34:33,770
I would think they should be open. Their hour should be wider.

1726
02:34:33,770 --> 02:34:41,270
I don't know what there's to be mindful of. Yes, we could. We would be paying for those hours that they are out there

1727
02:34:42,010 --> 02:34:51,370
and I don't know that the demand so we would have less riders probably utilizing it to offset the cost so we could be paying $39 an hour from 10 to 3 a.m.

1728
02:34:52,590 --> 02:34:59,970
and have a few riders use it. Does that also justify our needs and the true demand of the people that

1729
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:08,160
What needed in the community? I mean, but so in looking at the list that you provided, I think I read it right.

1730
02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:14,340
Our most communities like our size, about $5.00.

1731
02:35:16,930 --> 02:35:33,250
I think that was from the averages. So as we originally, like she said, I wanted to increase it from 350, I think to close to five. That was what the average was. If we took all of them in Wisconsin, so not just in our area.

1732
02:35:33,250 --> 02:35:40,130
Yeah, actually we're probably there's not many other communities right in our specific area that have a shared right program.

1733
02:35:40,450 --> 02:35:53,410
I mean, if you look at say like Plattville or and Jamesville might be more of a bus thing, but so you have to look at some other organized municipalities that are more similar in our size and services to the surrounding rural communities.

1734
02:35:55,980 --> 02:36:03,240
Is there Uber in the area looked up my Uber app and shows get me to my house at 915 PM $5.72.

1735
02:36:03,240 --> 02:36:07,300
use sense. Yeah they could. I mean anybody can do it

1736
02:36:07,300 --> 02:36:12,940
it typically if if somebody wants to they could but I don't know how consistent and

1737
02:36:12,940 --> 02:36:18,240
demanding and it wouldn't be anything we would support but if there was ever somebody

1738
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:22,760
looking to want to do a side gig they definitely could and it would that would be something

1739
02:36:22,760 --> 02:36:27,220
they do through there but I think that also speaks to that it might be hard sometimes to find

1740
02:36:27,220 --> 02:36:30,500
and Uber because of having enough drivers

1741
02:36:30,500 --> 02:36:33,600
that do Uber consistently to rely on it

1742
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:36,040
and to have enough demand in our community

1743
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:37,720
to make them want to do it here.

1744
02:36:40,920 --> 02:36:44,020
And that's affordable for the individuals that need it

1745
02:36:44,020 --> 02:36:45,840
and something to be mindful of of like,

1746
02:36:46,100 --> 02:36:49,620
so this service is also, it's not just your standard say,

1747
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:54,240
like Uber, taxi cab, it is, they do kind of do the door

1748
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:58,160
to door service that helping the individuals get into the vehicle

1749
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:01,240
and get into where they're going and assisting them

1750
02:37:01,240 --> 02:37:02,380
in that manner as well.

1751
02:37:03,340 --> 02:37:05,460
Is there a way, like I don't know,

1752
02:37:06,700 --> 02:37:09,900
where this is for, say, 65 and younger?

1753
02:37:11,900 --> 02:37:13,460
You know, like where we can...

1754
02:37:13,460 --> 02:37:15,180
There are fairs that are,

1755
02:37:15,260 --> 02:37:21,040
there are senior fairs compared to the base fairs for...

1756
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:21,500
I'm trying to think,

1757
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:25,700
is there any other options to not raise, you know,

1758
02:37:25,700 --> 02:37:32,960
Yeah, you could be not increasing the senior or disabled fair at all and then put that on

1759
02:37:34,380 --> 02:37:36,380
People that are outside of that

1760
02:37:37,020 --> 02:37:42,920
That's why I was comparing the base pay of other communities if they're five dollars and if we took that

1761
02:37:42,920 --> 02:37:50,740
You know and instead of making it 350 375. I mean with the numbers work out then. I don't know how many people use

1762
02:37:50,740 --> 02:37:55,680
Yeah, and I'm I guess I'm not a hundred percent of saying like we have to get

1763
02:37:55,700 --> 02:38:00,080
to those numbers, I think, no matter what we're understanding that we are subsidizing some

1764
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:06,400
of this program, so that's not to be lost. It is something that's been identified as

1765
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:12,780
a need and something that they want as support in the community. It was just this is what

1766
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:21,520
in discussions felt like it could be an increase that could help with the sustainability but

1767
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:25,100
but also not be too great of an increase potentially to the users.

1768
02:38:25,300 --> 02:38:29,860
But yeah, I think you could look at just not increasing the senior disabled

1769
02:38:29,860 --> 02:38:34,040
in only the base and still even just the 25 or a little bit more.

1770
02:38:35,880 --> 02:38:38,680
We could definitely play around with those numbers.

1771
02:38:39,140 --> 02:38:45,500
I'd be, I'd be in favor of increasing the base and not the 65 and older and

1772
02:38:45,500 --> 02:38:49,400
the disabled and putting it on, you know, other avenues.

1773
02:38:52,400 --> 02:38:53,000
I'm

1774
02:38:55,080 --> 02:39:00,800
curious, so isn't the vast majority going to be senior and disabled from this?

1775
02:39:02,060 --> 02:39:08,460
And I guess my concern, not that I certainly don't want to increase fees or fairs on anybody,

1776
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:15,880
but I would be a little hesitant to, anytime you push fair increases off,

1777
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:18,620
it's just going to become more painful at some point.

1778
02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:21,620
Because at some point you're going to have to play catch up.

1779
02:39:21,620 --> 02:39:31,760
And you mentioned Administrator Rundee several years, four or five years, that you're aware of that we haven't had a fair increase.

1780
02:39:32,660 --> 02:39:48,260
Okay, so if we if we punt this down the road a couple of years, you know, is the increase going to be a lot more painful at that point rather than when you have regular small increases versus infrequent large increase.

1781
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:57,280
We would be increasing it, it would go to the base, the youth, everything outside of

1782
02:39:57,280 --> 02:39:59,960
seen her and disabled, so I guess what I'm saying.

1783
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:25,020
I don't think- I don't have the stats on telling you like ten students ride and- I'm just thinking that the base isn't going to account for very much. So the vast majority at some point is going to have to come from senior disabled. I mean, I'm assuming. From what I understand, that's the, that's the core user group. And so at some point that's going to have to, we can't hold it to 25 forever.

1784
02:40:27,960 --> 02:40:30,960
I guess how did we come to 25 cents?

1785
02:40:31,740 --> 02:40:37,420
consecutive in four years because that's a dollar or more in four years.

1786
02:40:39,300 --> 02:40:46,580
It felt like it would be a reasonable amount that could have an impact on offsetting our

1787
02:40:46,580 --> 02:40:52,320
cost, but hopefully still be something that was done over time and accounted for that

1788
02:40:52,320 --> 02:40:54,480
wouldn't hopefully be a negative impact on the users.

1789
02:40:54,480 --> 02:40:55,400
I

1790
02:41:01,380 --> 02:41:08,860
tend to agree with all their granzo I mean there comes it has brazen what how many years

1791
02:41:08,860 --> 02:41:19,710
not that any button for sure six remember yeah um chief colleagues maybe ten I certainly you know not a

1792
02:41:19,710 --> 02:41:29,030
proponent of making people pay more but we do have to be realistic too we cannot keep our prices our

1793
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:37,370
prices as a city count as a city are going up. So how do we offset that?

1794
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:51,450
I do have a report from 2023 up. Unfortunately not numbers of rides but so in 2023 we

1795
02:41:51,450 --> 02:42:03,390
collected 18,500 in the base amount and the senior fair was 61,000 so and the

1796
02:42:03,390 --> 02:42:09,250
senior slash disability fair so it definitely is the higher portion of the

1797
02:42:09,250 --> 02:42:11,190
the usership now.

1798
02:42:12,590 --> 02:42:25,050
Are a lot of the senior fairs additional people, or the one person in the cab, or majority

1799
02:42:25,050 --> 02:42:30,150
of people share a ride, or just one person, and if we don't increase the share ride,

1800
02:42:32,150 --> 02:42:34,570
would that encourage people to ride together?

1801
02:42:34,830 --> 02:42:35,330
Would that help?

1802
02:42:35,930 --> 02:42:39,950
Well, it's technically no matter what a shared ride program, so they're always subject

1803
02:42:39,950 --> 02:42:41,530
to having somebody else with them.

1804
02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:47,750
It may be you could encourage, I mean, it's already a currently only $1 versus the two.

1805
02:42:48,370 --> 02:42:54,590
I don't have that data quickly accessible to me, though, to comment on that.

1806
02:43:25,430 --> 02:43:32,230
So Nick just was looking at average out of the states for the senior disabled is 371 comparing

1807
02:43:35,430 --> 02:43:36,110
So

1808
02:43:38,450 --> 02:43:50,010
if we don't raise, you probably said this, but I don't remember, the city will pay

1809
02:43:50,730 --> 02:43:55,610
how much more because the cab company is raising its rates.

1810
02:43:56,650 --> 02:44:02,210
So how much more will we be paying and where will that money come from if we don't raise

1811
02:44:02,210 --> 02:44:11,250
rates? Yeah, the rate increase will be going up approximately $3 next year. No

1812
02:44:11,250 --> 02:44:16,890
matter what, like I said, it's in its hard to give an exact number of what we

1813
02:44:16,890 --> 02:44:22,370
would be paying, so it depends on the number of users, so that throughout the

1814
02:44:22,370 --> 02:44:28,390
hours that we're providing the service, but obviously it just, if we do less of an

1815
02:44:28,390 --> 02:44:35,770
increase, we know that that will result in a subsidizing higher amount of that. But that's

1816
02:44:35,770 --> 02:44:40,570
where I've mentioned to also be mindful that we don't increase it too much that we deter

1817
02:44:40,570 --> 02:44:47,050
use and also have no riders. Then we also see no revenue offsetting and utilizing a service

1818
02:44:47,050 --> 02:44:50,070
that we're paying $40,000 a month to.

1819
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:50,190
So.

1820
02:45:02,830 --> 02:45:11,670
That money extra money, if it's not raised, will have to be fit into the budget somewhere. Where would that fit and what would possibly be?

1821
02:45:15,310 --> 02:45:26,650
Typically, it's subsidized through the various grants and then the tax levy would cover the difference of what we don't have through revenue or grants.

1822
02:45:29,890 --> 02:45:38,110
Realistically, you're not going to actually know an increase until you actually know how many youth riders there are, how many base riders there are. And if you raise those by 50 sensors,

1823
02:45:38,110 --> 02:46:04,330
or 75 cents and then average it out and then you also raise the, was it the box or delivery and wheelchair or whatever the term is for that you raise that a few dollars which you said so you don't know until you have this all these numbers compiled together and throwing something out there without those numbers compiled together it's just it's it's foolish.

1824
02:46:04,330 --> 02:46:05,310
Does

1825
02:46:16,510 --> 02:46:18,930
any of us have some input?

1826
02:46:29,170 --> 02:46:29,690
No.

1827
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:39,580
And if there was what we are thinking there isn't also a resolution for approval that tonight

1828
02:46:39,580 --> 02:46:43,260
obviously it could be discussion and that it would come back with a formal resolution

1829
02:46:43,260 --> 02:46:47,960
identifying the right if there is a recommendation to do any increases.

1830
02:46:52,730 --> 02:46:55,190
I didn't catch the last part you said.

1831
02:46:55,530 --> 02:47:00,550
If there is any recommendation to do any increases we would take that and formalize it into a formal

1832
02:47:00,550 --> 02:47:07,810
resolution to come back to council for a full approval at that point okay all right so you're

1833
02:47:07,810 --> 02:47:12,110
more looking for guidance at this point and yeah consent has been okay

1834
02:47:15,850 --> 02:47:17,350
so how do we go I don't

1835
02:47:17,350 --> 02:47:25,090
approach that personally I'd like to see the I will actually say that I actually have quite a few of

1836
02:47:25,090 --> 02:47:30,250
my customers I use the cab on a pretty darn regular basis coming and going from my shop and I

1837
02:47:30,250 --> 02:47:35,190
appreciate them when they do do that but I will say most of them are probably falling the base

1838
02:47:35,570 --> 02:47:40,310
Not in the and they're using it the way it should be used and I think they use it because it's affordable

1839
02:47:41,070 --> 02:47:45,090
Now if we let's say put a regular base to floor 25

1840
02:47:45,090 --> 02:47:48,990
I don't think that's gonna scare most people away in today's society

1841
02:47:50,010 --> 02:47:50,970
but for

1842
02:47:51,510 --> 02:47:56,290
The students I hate to see that all fall in the parents. I could see a 25 cents there and

1843
02:47:57,170 --> 02:48:00,150
Senior Disabled I would truthfully. I know they're the biggest one

1844
02:48:00,990 --> 02:48:05,470
That's where truthfully given the services to I'd rather leave that alone

1845
02:48:05,930 --> 02:48:13,450
I know we need to put an increase there a little bit, but on the same hand as my gut tells me we should leave it alone and that's just speaking for my gut.

1846
02:48:15,210 --> 02:48:16,530
That's how I feel.

1847
02:48:17,550 --> 02:48:25,570
Leave the elderly disabled fee as it is if you know if it all possible.

1848
02:48:28,430 --> 02:48:32,650
So would this would go back to what committee if we sent it back to?

1849
02:48:34,150 --> 02:48:40,810
would. So it wouldn't go back to a committee to set up a new fee schedule. Okay.

1850
02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:49,850
And I don't know if you'd want to, I mean, entertain it all, just for the senior disabled

1851
02:48:49,850 --> 02:48:56,210
category, something like smaller over the next four years or in two years it increases

1852
02:48:56,210 --> 02:49:01,010
to this or something, that's just an idea or if you for sure just want to say we want

1853
02:49:01,010 --> 02:49:06,450
not to stay at that until the next time I rate fair increases considered.

1854
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:11,970
I think it needs to be reviewed at least every year.

1855
02:49:12,130 --> 02:49:14,310
Well, at least every two years, if not nearly.

1856
02:49:15,090 --> 02:49:18,190
Because I think it could easily slip away from us very quickly.

1857
02:49:18,430 --> 02:49:24,290
And then, like I say, you're going to be faced with a big jump that's going to really upset people

1858
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:27,190
and make it very difficult on people.

1859
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:27,950
I

1860
02:49:37,230 --> 02:49:39,950
agree with reviewing it every two years.

1861
02:49:40,710 --> 02:49:41,430
I think a quarter.

1862
02:49:42,130 --> 02:49:46,570
We don't raise it for so many years, and then we raise it a quarter every year, seems a bit aggressive.

1863
02:49:48,290 --> 02:49:55,490
That is one of the comments we're talking with some of the other kind of cap companies and DOT and stuff was that

1864
02:49:55,490 --> 02:49:59,710
you do one at the part of the reason why you do evaluate this is

1865
02:49:59,710 --> 02:49:59,870
is

1866
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:25,680
I think we're going to have to do something about this for the sustainability that, yes, they are the larger user ship of it or a fair amount of it, and you don't want to get to the point where you're having to subsidize a significant amount of it and it doesn't, that you can't, and you're putting that on all the taxpayers or you need to find areas to cut and that you're, then you're trying to all of a sudden catch up to make it sustainable. So that was one of the points that they shared of why you would consider this.

1867
02:50:27,020 --> 02:50:33,720
Can you do a breakout where you do that quarter every other year and then put the other bulk

1868
02:50:33,720 --> 02:50:42,500
onto the base and that delivery, whatever it's called, and anybody outside that group?

1869
02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:48,160
And so with that, are you asking to increase the base more than 25 cents?

1870
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:54,840
like what Alder Noel said with the base, but then the disabled, if you do the

1871
02:50:54,840 --> 02:51:00,000
quarter every other year, like split it in half, and then see how that shakes

1872
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:05,880
out with the actual dollars and sensualize. And so what what amount are you

1873
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:11,440
seeing as reasonable to at least base my increase to for the base? To factor in

1874
02:51:11,440 --> 02:51:16,400
first. Alder Noel knows more because they run an operation like that. Go up to 50%

1875
02:51:16,400 --> 02:51:24,660
Increase on the base. I think it'd be over four bucks. I would say 425 or 25 and then it and then a increase every year

1876
02:51:25,440 --> 02:51:27,120
I would review it to I

1877
02:51:28,720 --> 02:51:32,980
When I wouldn't set ourselves up for any certain dollar amount from their amounter

1878
02:51:34,320 --> 02:51:40,060
But I will agree. I mean and the good factor is this gasoline as price has been pre-stable

1879
02:51:40,060 --> 02:51:45,640
I know that doesn't seem like a lot but that's something that's been pre-stable really and so

1880
02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:50,740
You have to pull that out of it for the cab company, but their rates are going up.

1881
02:51:51,700 --> 02:51:57,880
I'm not going to lie, seeing what we're paying them is, being in this business is absolutely

1882
02:51:59,420 --> 02:51:59,820
crazy.

1883
02:52:01,800 --> 02:52:08,390
Their vehicles are not going to go that far, but they need some repairs.

1884
02:52:10,770 --> 02:52:11,670
They're not updating.

1885
02:52:12,130 --> 02:52:14,330
I know these guys can speak for it.

1886
02:52:14,570 --> 02:52:16,750
Are you guys still having problems getting people when you need them?

1887
02:52:16,750 --> 02:52:19,130
or they're more often, they're limited hours.

1888
02:52:19,990 --> 02:52:22,030
I struggle with a lot of it, but I do believe

1889
02:52:22,030 --> 02:52:26,510
that the base needs to go up higher than 50 cents.

1890
02:52:27,350 --> 02:52:28,550
I would say more in the four and a quarter,

1891
02:52:28,810 --> 02:52:30,890
but I struggle with the whole thing.

1892
02:52:33,540 --> 02:52:36,440
Well, I can come back with that updated calculation

1893
02:52:37,020 --> 02:52:40,200
with those differences and the draft resolution,

1894
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:45,260
and then you can either play with all of them,

1895
02:52:45,260 --> 02:52:47,280
and hopefully I can have even some

1896
02:52:47,280 --> 02:52:49,580
different scenarios to consider to plug in too.

1897
02:52:54,770 --> 02:53:02,890
I agree with increasing the base more than what we've got on here and keeping the senior

1898
02:53:02,890 --> 02:53:06,950
disabled the same and the additional passengers.

1899
02:53:07,970 --> 02:53:19,790
We could encourage people to do that and just let's say that's 25% of the increase just keep

1900
02:53:19,790 --> 02:53:23,550
but at the $2 raise that after this year.

1901
02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:39,040
So at this point, you're going to bring it back to, OK.

1902
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:44,360
So there'll be no action taken on that tonight, right?

1903
02:53:46,340 --> 02:53:46,640
OK.

1904
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:48,020
I have one question.

1905
02:53:48,340 --> 02:53:50,560
When it says package delivery, like if they

1906
02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:54,320
buy groceries or something, that's not just a wheelchair

1907
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:55,880
or something like that.

1908
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:59,000
Is there transporting something without a passenger?

1909
02:53:59,000 --> 02:53:59,780
there. What

1910
02:54:11,740 --> 02:54:20,780
do we need a motion to? Nope. Nope. Okay. So at this time, we'll move on to

1911
02:54:20,780 --> 02:54:27,260
the discussion and possible action regarding the industrial surcharge plan. Oh, we're on

1912
02:54:27,260 --> 02:54:40,000
the, we have to go to the sole, sole bed for the share drive. Yeah. What? Oh. Oh, okay. The

1913
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:43,300
The resolution, the shared short version?

1914
02:54:43,680 --> 02:54:44,080
Be it.

1915
02:54:46,360 --> 02:54:48,120
Oh, okay, yes, please.

1916
02:54:48,420 --> 02:54:51,420
Be it resolved by the common council of the City of Monroe

1917
02:54:51,420 --> 02:54:54,040
that the shared ride tax operating contract

1918
02:54:54,040 --> 02:54:58,180
and public transit lease agreement for the years 2025 to 2026.

1919
02:54:58,820 --> 02:54:59,820
With the options.

1920
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:08,980
We are extending to 2029, be here by award to Brown Cab Service Inc. And that approval and acceptance be hereby given for the attached contract,

1921
02:55:09,180 --> 02:55:22,220
contingent upon no protest to the award being received within 10 days. Be a further resolve that the mayor and city of minister be hereby authorized to execute the four mentioned contract on behalf of the city of now.

1922
02:55:22,220 --> 02:55:25,620
day of this 21st day of October 2024 and I move for it's approval.

1923
02:55:27,180 --> 02:55:28,220
I have a second.

1924
02:55:29,400 --> 02:55:29,580
Okay.

1925
02:55:30,180 --> 02:55:31,980
Is there any further discussion?

1926
02:55:34,980 --> 02:55:35,600
Hearing none?

1927
02:55:35,860 --> 02:55:36,520
Yep, I got some.

1928
02:55:36,820 --> 02:55:37,020
Okay.

1929
02:55:37,500 --> 02:55:38,560
So this is multiple years.

1930
02:55:39,960 --> 02:55:46,540
So yes, it's for the confirmed to base our rate for 2025 to 2026 but then the

1931
02:55:46,540 --> 02:55:51,680
option of continuing for years through five which would be through 2029.

1932
02:55:52,840 --> 02:55:59,400
So, the rate is locked in for the first two years, and then the third year, the fourth

1933
02:55:59,400 --> 02:56:08,120
year, they give a current rate, but that is then dependent upon the CPI at that time

1934
02:56:08,120 --> 02:56:12,820
cannot be a factor in what the final rate of for those years would be approved.

1935
02:56:15,880 --> 02:56:25,940
I'm going to say that I'd be okay with locking in for the 25, 26 year but the optional years I would definitely stay away from.

1936
02:56:26,840 --> 02:56:35,040
All it takes is a little competition and we're going to get blown out of the water and I feel like we need to be mindful of that and understand that competition brings.

1937
02:56:35,800 --> 02:56:40,800
but rates. So the whole time I've been on council we've been trying to get

1938
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:46,760
competition has not worked. I, however, because we all see the dollar amount and

1939
02:56:46,760 --> 02:56:52,040
we've tried and tried and tried and you never know when the opens up a cab

1940
02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:57,760
company in the city of Mineral. Yeah and part of what they relate to where it is to

1941
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:03,360
be a part of the federal program where we are subsidized a portion of this

1942
02:57:03,360 --> 02:57:09,760
through the federal and state, like this process is very regulated, what they have to do,

1943
02:57:09,880 --> 02:57:18,100
what we have to do, what they have to submit, and so it's also, if you look at the shared

1944
02:57:18,100 --> 02:57:23,720
ride programs across the state, they are very prevalent in that, partly because they have

1945
02:57:23,720 --> 02:57:29,800
then the resources to handle this challenging aspect of providing it in rural communities

1946
02:57:29,800 --> 02:57:34,100
is where the demand is a little different and the services have to be a little different

1947
02:57:34,100 --> 02:57:48,420
because of the it's providing a service rather than a competitive taxi service so but I can potentially

1948
02:57:48,420 --> 02:57:56,160
attempt to negotiate that we don't include the option of the three years. I don't know if that

1949
02:57:56,160 --> 02:57:58,620
that will change their willingness to serve or not.

1950
02:58:01,320 --> 02:58:03,120
And I can speak to some of that.

1951
02:58:03,300 --> 02:58:06,040
So part of the federal guidelines

1952
02:58:06,040 --> 02:58:08,540
is that after we've only received one bid,

1953
02:58:08,940 --> 02:58:10,920
we had to email out to other providers in the state.

1954
02:58:11,980 --> 02:58:14,480
So I had to email out to five providers.

1955
02:58:15,320 --> 02:58:17,680
I heard back from three of them saying

1956
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:19,460
that we're just too small or too far

1957
02:58:19,460 --> 02:58:21,940
out of their region to even service us.

1958
02:58:22,300 --> 02:58:24,520
So they kind of put that limit on us.

1959
02:58:24,520 --> 02:58:25,340
So

1960
02:58:33,980 --> 02:58:40,380
I see the third and fourth and whatever fifth year goes up to $40 and higher.

1961
02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:48,580
Is that mean it's going to or can we just say no we want to lock in this rate for all

1962
02:58:48,580 --> 02:58:50,000
five years or whatever?

1963
02:58:50,960 --> 02:58:58,440
No the contract is so that you have for sure that base two years but then those following

1964
02:58:58,440 --> 02:59:03,300
years will even know the prices they'll ultimately be adjusted them by the

1965
02:59:03,300 --> 02:59:04,980
current CPI so

1966
02:59:08,280 --> 02:59:10,720
we couldn't necessarily lock them into that.

1967
02:59:23,130 --> 02:59:24,270
Honestly, what is

1968
02:59:24,270 --> 02:59:30,650
our alternative? We don't have one so vote we move on.

1969
02:59:32,750 --> 02:59:35,450
Okay. Okay, what's

1970
02:59:35,450 --> 02:59:36,490
no further discussion?

1971
02:59:39,830 --> 02:59:43,530
All in favor say aye, oppose no and the clerk will call the

1972
02:59:43,530 --> 02:59:45,290
roll. Older, no.

1973
02:59:48,470 --> 02:59:55,650
Older, shaffer. Hi. Older, tommon. Hi. Older, crannig.

1974
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:59,850
Hi. Older, cleven. Hi. Older, grenzo. Hi.

1975
03:00:00,050 --> 03:00:10,470
All their true heart, all their Miller, aye, and all their Wharton-Wyler. Okay, and that passes. Moving on to the discussion and

1976
03:00:10,470 --> 03:00:24,650
possible action, the regarding the industrial surcharge plan, discuss impossible, approve new industrial surcharge. Honourable Mayor, we've been here since five o'clock.

1977
03:00:29,190 --> 03:00:30,030
We're

1978
03:00:30,030 --> 03:00:31,690
been working real hard on floor ride.

1979
03:00:32,350 --> 03:00:33,470
And I know I haven't given

1980
03:00:33,970 --> 03:00:35,850
part of any attention to this at all.

1981
03:00:36,050 --> 03:00:37,490
And I'd like to do more research on it,

1982
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:39,370
because they would like to give us

1983
03:00:39,370 --> 03:00:40,830
a little presentation on it right now.

1984
03:00:41,350 --> 03:00:43,890
Before we look at it, I would appreciate that.

1985
03:00:44,250 --> 03:00:45,570
And also with the closed session,

1986
03:00:45,610 --> 03:00:46,750
if we don't need to do that tonight,

1987
03:00:46,870 --> 03:00:49,210
I'd like to post that, post-pulling that also.

1988
03:00:49,710 --> 03:00:51,110
You've read my mind of that.

1989
03:00:51,590 --> 03:00:53,350
I was going to at least kind of elude

1990
03:00:53,350 --> 03:00:55,390
and get some history and say here is a material

1991
03:00:55,390 --> 03:01:02,930
I know you are exhausted, I am too, and that we can take some time to answer any questions

1992
03:01:02,930 --> 03:01:07,130
that you feel important to answer tonight or over the next couple of weeks when we come

1993
03:01:07,130 --> 03:01:07,550
back.

1994
03:01:08,430 --> 03:01:13,150
Do you guys want me to just give my brief summary on what's before you, and then go from there.

1995
03:01:13,710 --> 03:01:17,810
So yes, based off of, I know we've had discussions with you in the past and with fair

1996
03:01:17,810 --> 03:01:23,270
Graham about kind of the issues with our permit processes and industries exceeding their

1997
03:01:23,270 --> 03:01:27,910
permit amounts, hence why we're also looking at the wastewater treatment plant expansion.

1998
03:01:28,730 --> 03:01:34,230
And part of that then is how do we incentivize and have people stay within their permit

1999
03:01:34,230 --> 03:01:34,510
amounts?

2000
03:01:34,650 --> 03:01:38,690
How do we make sure if we're doing another expansion that they aren't going to continue

2001
03:01:38,690 --> 03:01:41,190
to just utilize that additional capacity.

2002
03:01:41,750 --> 03:01:46,150
And so part of the direction you guys gave us was to consider like a surcharge policy.

2003
03:01:46,310 --> 03:01:47,470
So that's what's been presented.

2004
03:01:47,470 --> 03:01:49,950
and we've sent letters to the various industries

2005
03:01:49,950 --> 03:01:52,570
that this would impact back in September.

2006
03:01:53,690 --> 03:01:56,550
Obviously it's not very well received by the industries

2007
03:01:57,240 --> 03:01:59,890
and we had a lot of one on individual meetings

2008
03:01:59,890 --> 03:02:03,750
with the businesses and phone calls or various avenues

2009
03:02:03,750 --> 03:02:04,850
to talk through it.

2010
03:02:05,530 --> 03:02:07,290
Obviously there can be economic impacts

2011
03:02:07,290 --> 03:02:08,710
and impacts their operation.

2012
03:02:09,670 --> 03:02:13,310
So we have the initial proposal that was presented

2013
03:02:13,310 --> 03:02:15,110
in the one letter that might sent to them

2014
03:02:15,110 --> 03:02:17,030
of what that surcharge could look like.

2015
03:02:17,650 --> 03:02:19,950
In the updated letter, we included options

2016
03:02:19,950 --> 03:02:22,830
where you could do the surcharge.

2017
03:02:23,210 --> 03:02:26,470
You could impose only a surcharge to the mouse

2018
03:02:26,470 --> 03:02:28,070
over the issued permit.

2019
03:02:28,350 --> 03:02:29,590
You could do no surcharge.

2020
03:02:30,170 --> 03:02:30,850
And then with any of that,

2021
03:02:31,030 --> 03:02:33,490
there's things of like we could evaluate their permits.

2022
03:02:37,530 --> 03:02:40,150
See, maybe push this out that it's not effective

2023
03:02:40,150 --> 03:02:42,190
until like quarter two of 2025.

2024
03:02:42,190 --> 03:02:48,670
So they have time to change their operations and also then have the industries kind of formulate

2025
03:02:48,670 --> 03:02:52,210
an insuminant action plan of how they might come back into compliance with their permits.

2026
03:02:53,570 --> 03:02:58,910
Unpowered of that note, we already have their grant starting a process of evaluating what

2027
03:02:58,910 --> 03:03:04,990
the industries are sending us over the last three years and then what our new facility could

2028
03:03:04,990 --> 03:03:10,930
allow and we anticipate that to be done in hopefully the next three to four weeks so that

2029
03:03:10,930 --> 03:03:15,190
That also might be very helpful information for us to wait to have for you guys to consider

2030
03:03:15,190 --> 03:03:20,430
to then see what have they been doing, what will the new plant allow, and how do we find

2031
03:03:20,430 --> 03:03:20,990
that balance?

2032
03:03:21,410 --> 03:03:28,710
So, our thought is probably to wait until that point as well, but it's a significant topic

2033
03:03:28,710 --> 03:03:34,190
and so, at least, wanted to get it before you and allow you to then ask questions between

2034
03:03:34,190 --> 03:03:35,230
now and then as well.

2035
03:03:35,230 --> 03:03:35,330
Well,

2036
03:03:41,480 --> 03:03:46,920
after that explanation, do we need to...

2037
03:03:48,400 --> 03:03:49,980
Unless anybody else has any questions?

2038
03:03:50,120 --> 03:03:54,500
The motion's table, otherwise we can just have the agreement of the mayor to set it on the next agenda.

2039
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:55,140
Yes.

2040
03:03:55,880 --> 03:04:01,680
Okay. I will ask that be placed on the agenda at the next meeting.

2041
03:04:02,740 --> 03:04:03,900
Are we okay waiting? Maybe not.

2042
03:04:04,040 --> 03:04:05,420
So the next meeting, but until we have that...

2043
03:04:05,420 --> 03:04:07,080
Until we have it?

2044
03:04:07,080 --> 03:04:07,220
Yes.

2045
03:04:07,760 --> 03:04:08,660
Until you have it.

2046
03:04:08,660 --> 03:04:09,040
Yes.

2047
03:04:09,480 --> 03:04:09,960
Yes.

2048
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:10,840
More input.

2049
03:04:12,180 --> 03:04:12,660
Pardon?

2050
03:04:16,750 --> 03:04:21,070
Yeah, we do not have to go into closed session if you guys want to go.

2051
03:04:21,330 --> 03:04:26,810
We can or we can add that we I know we are planning for a closed session at the November

2052
03:04:26,810 --> 03:04:28,250
fourth meeting for a different item.

2053
03:04:29,190 --> 03:04:31,510
So we can have more of them.

2054
03:04:31,510 --> 03:04:34,690
Is this is this something that needs this this can wait?

2055
03:04:34,710 --> 03:04:35,450
I think it'll be.

2056
03:04:35,710 --> 03:04:35,810
Yeah.

2057
03:04:35,810 --> 03:04:36,170
Okay.

2058
03:04:36,170 --> 03:04:48,230
Okay, so at this time, then we can go on to, right now we can move on to the business

2059
03:04:48,230 --> 03:04:50,150
presented by older persons, correct?

2060
03:04:51,510 --> 03:04:51,830
Okay.

2061
03:04:52,330 --> 03:04:53,030
Anything?

2062
03:04:54,190 --> 03:04:54,630
Okay.

2063
03:04:54,630 --> 03:04:59,530
Just a reminder, tomorrow at 5.30 will be the ground breaking ceremony for the pocket

2064
03:05:00,370 --> 03:05:21,870
Okay. Yeah. I'll put the up at the site, right? Yeah. What's Council back in trust in front of that? Yeah. Right. In front of. Yeah. Okay. And department heads. Thank you for sitting here. We owe you. Right.

2065
03:05:27,810 --> 03:05:32,310
Is it about could you could we postpone that?

2066
03:05:38,150 --> 03:05:39,570
Yes. Chief Kelly.

2067
03:05:39,570 --> 03:05:42,390
Would you like to present that in our next meeting?

2068
03:05:46,050 --> 03:05:54,050
Okay, and so and the press I'm sure that they have probably gone to bed already and

2069
03:05:54,570 --> 03:05:55,250
Yeah

2070
03:05:56,550 --> 03:05:58,930
Make a motion to adjourn all right

2071
03:05:59,450 --> 03:06:05,570
And please note that we'll take up the business and thank you for

2072
03:06:07,370 --> 03:06:09,270
All in favor, say aye.

2073
03:06:09,470 --> 03:06:09,730
Aye.

2074
03:06:10,450 --> 03:06:11,910
Oh, we are.

2075
03:06:12,230 --> 03:06:12,770
Okay.