1 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,800 Okay, we are on and we are recording. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,960 >> All right, welcome to the planning 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,559 commission meeting January 5th, 2026. 4 00:00:14,559 --> 00:00:15,839 And let's begin with the pledge of 5 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:23,429 allegiance. 6 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:25,920 Pledge allegiance to the flag of the 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,240 United States of America and to the 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,519 republic for which it stands. One nation 9 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,480 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 10 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:41,590 justice for all. Thank you everyone. 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,680 » Roll call of the commissioners starting 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,239 my left. If you'll just pick your name 13 00:00:46,239 --> 00:00:48,800 so that it's on the record 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,670 here, Jefferson here. 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,239 your chair. 16 00:00:56,239 --> 00:00:58,800 Well, thank you very much. And we did 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:15:54,389 get a resignation notice from 18 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,959 than a change require a conditional use 19 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:59,440 permit. However, I staff does 20 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,720 acknowledge that the mineral development 21 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,959 code does not exclusively address this 22 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:05,120 scenario. As a result, the planning 23 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,120 commission retains full discretion to 24 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,959 determine whether a conditional use 25 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:11,199 permit is required. If the planning 26 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:13,120 commission determines that the proposal 27 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,040 constitutes a change in use under the 28 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,279 section 2501, 29 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,519 the applicant may be required to return 30 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,680 for a formal conditional use permit 31 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,680 here. 32 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,240 um the recommended conditions of 33 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,440 approval and these will uh end my staff 34 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,040 review and then we will give the 35 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,639 applicants an opportunity to come on up 36 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,279 after this um and then planning 37 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,160 commissioners can ask questions 38 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,079 following those steps. So we'll wait 39 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:43,680 until the applicant speaks before your 40 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,680 questions. 41 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,440 So recommended conditions of approval 42 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,680 are one it needs to be um consistent 43 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,120 with approved plans. The development 44 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,560 should be constructed in substantial 45 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,240 conformance with the approved site 46 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,639 design review application narrative and 47 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,279 plans on file with the city um except as 48 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,000 modified by these conditions of approval 49 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,759 compliance with other regulations. The 50 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:05,919 applicant must ensure that they comply 51 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:07,760 with all applicable federal, state, 52 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,600 county fire district and city 53 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,439 regulations including Benton County 54 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:13,679 building permits and inspections from 55 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:15,199 the time that it begins construction 56 00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:16,559 until the time they get their 57 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,120 certificate of occupancy. Fire access 58 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,880 and turnaround. Prior to issuance of a 59 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,559 building permit, the applicant shall 60 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,559 submit a fire access and circulation 61 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,199 plan for review and approval by the fire 62 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:29,280 chief which demonstrates compliance with 63 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,039 fire district requirements, including 64 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:33,520 any apparatus, access, turnaround, 65 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,679 ingress or egress requirements that we 66 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:38,880 may imposed. 67 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Fire sprinkler and life safety review. 68 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,440 The applicant shall coordinate with the 69 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,440 fire chief to determine fire sprinkler 70 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,919 alarm and life safety requirements. 71 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,600 Written confirmation of fire district 72 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,600 approval shall be provided prior to 73 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,919 issuance of of a building permit and I 74 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:55,600 will assist and coordinate in that 75 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,880 process. Water service verification. 76 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,559 Prior to issuance of a building permit, 77 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,559 the applicant shall verify the location, 78 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,720 condition, and capacity of existing 79 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,640 water service lines serving the site. 80 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,600 If existing facilities are inadequate to 81 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,679 search a proposed commercial building, 82 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:15,600 upgrades or extensions shall be required 83 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,679 at the applicant's expense from the 84 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:21,280 point of the city's um make city 85 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,080 engineer of record review of the water. 86 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,919 All proposed water system connections, 87 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:28,559 upgrades or modifications will need to 88 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:30,640 be reviewed and approved by the city 89 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,960 engineer of record prior to building 90 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,760 permit issuance. And for the record, I 91 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,080 think you all know this likely, but the 92 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,400 building department at the county looks 93 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,919 at these one by one and they have a 94 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:43,600 checklist. So, they follow all of our 95 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,160 conditions before they allow steps to 96 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,039 move forward with the applicant. Um, 97 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:51,039 metering and backflow, water meters and 98 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:53,360 back flow prevention devices um as 99 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,520 required by the city of standard uh city 100 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,400 standards and the engineered record. 101 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Sewer service verification. Prior to the 102 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,600 issuance of a building permit, the 103 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,280 applicant shall verify the location, 104 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,840 capacity, and condition of existing 105 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,840 sanitary sewer laterals serving the 106 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,640 site. The city engineer review uh 107 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,400 engineer record review of the sewer. Any 108 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,559 new or modified sewer connections shall 109 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,400 be reviewed and approved by the city's 110 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,400 engineer record prior to building permit 111 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,919 issuance. 112 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:22,000 Sewer capacity and compliance. If 113 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000 deficiency are deficiencies are 114 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320 identified in the existing sewer system, 115 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,160 the applicant shall construct necessary 116 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,320 improvements at their expense to object 117 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,760 to the engineered directly approvement. 118 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,080 The required storm water management plan 119 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,679 is that the applicant shall submit a 120 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:39,120 detailed storm water management plan 121 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:40,640 that is prepared by a qualified 122 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,640 professional demonstrating compliance 123 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,880 with the city standards and applicable 124 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 state requirements. The engineer of 125 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,679 record will review that storm water plan 126 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:52,559 and ensure that it is uh approved of 127 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,799 course um prior to issuance of a 128 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:56,559 building permit. 129 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,760 The timing of the storm water approval, shall be 130 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,840 obtained prior to issuance of a buon 131 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,760 county building permit. Notwithstanding 132 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,280 that building permits are administered 133 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,750 of course by the county. Um 134 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,200 final parking layout. 135 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,880 Yes. Final parking ban. Prior to 136 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,240 issuance of a building permit, the 137 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,320 applicant shall submit a final parking 138 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,880 and circulation plan that demonstrates 139 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,200 compliance with Monroe's applicable 140 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,400 code. Striping and signage, all parking 141 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,720 spaces, accessible parking and internal 142 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,039 circulation uh shall be striped and 143 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:33,200 signed prior to issuance of a 144 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,799 certificate of occupancy before they get 145 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:38,080 their CO. Um survey verification must be 146 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,919 completed 147 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:41,760 prior to the building issuance. The 148 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,280 applicant shall provide a survey or 149 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,200 equivalent documentation acceptable to 150 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,520 the city that verifies the property 151 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840 boundaries, the structure location 152 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,280 including the existing residential 153 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,120 structure setbacks and build building 154 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,600 footprints. Coordination with public 155 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,080 works, uh any work within the public 156 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,240 rightway shall require separate Benton 157 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320 County public works approval and 158 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,159 applicable permits prior to 159 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:08,710 construction. 160 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,120 Any damage to the city utilities or 161 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,960 facilities caused by construction shall 162 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,679 be repaired at the applicant expense. 163 00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:18,559 And finally, preoccupancy verification. 164 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,440 Prior to that CFO, the applicant shall 165 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,039 demonstrate compliance with all 166 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:25,200 applicable conditions of approval, 167 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,159 including fire, water, sewer, storm 168 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,960 water, and parking requirements. Now, 169 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,080 we'll go ahead and talk about the 170 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,520 motions before you uh after we give the 171 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520 applicant an opportunity to come on up 172 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,880 and speak and then you have the 173 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,080 opportunity to ask some questions 174 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,679 following that of both the applicant but 175 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,679 myself a staff. So, and you all are 176 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:48,549 ready feel free to come on up. 177 00:21:48,559 --> 00:22:01,029 Whoever 178 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:01,840 » you're the 179 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,640 >> I'm the applicant. Okay. 180 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,559 >> I'm Janice Cook with South Baton Food 181 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,240 Pantry 182 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,480 and I'm not sure where to begin on all 183 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,039 of that. So, um it as far as what you 184 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:14,880 need to know, you've seen on the paper. 185 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,360 Um, and I did have some questions 186 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,039 though, uh, if that's if that's 187 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,600 appropriate on the last two or um, the 188 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,870 ones before on 20 189 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,080 or maybe it was number 16. Um, the is 190 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240 there um, so I don't know what the code 191 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,640 is for the Monroe area or the county 192 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,640 area for striping and things like that. 193 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,679 Will that parking lot need to be um 194 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:44,880 paved or because it would be hard to put 195 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,679 stripes on rocks right now. So that's 196 00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:48,720 one of the questions I had. 197 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,080 >> Yes. So it's a gravel. 198 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,280 >> Yeah. 199 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,039 >> We will be able to work with you on 200 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,679 that. That will be a city engineer of 201 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:58,320 record decision and I absolutely support 202 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,760 I think what you're looking to do which 203 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,200 is try to keep it um inexpensive uh and 204 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,799 reasonable and feasible. we can meet 205 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,600 code and keep you not paid that would be 206 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,600 really great. Um I can't speak to that 207 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,440 at this moment but I I do think that we 208 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,559 have a path there. 209 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,080 >> Okay. 210 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,559 And so I guess I can introduce MC Square 211 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:20,480 the model the construction company and 212 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,039 um have them um also fill in the blanks 213 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,919 for me. 214 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,679 >> Well, my name is Jerry Hileman. I'm 215 00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:31,760 owner of uh The Fix It Man. And I'm Mike 216 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,360 McCusker, owner of MC Squared 217 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:34,400 Remodeling. And 218 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720 >> so we're both general contractors 219 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,520 licensed and bonded with the state for 220 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,440 residential and small commercial. And 221 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,200 we're both going to be working together 222 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,679 and with Janice over this. We started 223 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:47,679 talking with Janice a year and a half 224 00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:49,120 ago. 225 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,679 >> Um and so it's kind of cool to be here 226 00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:55,520 just be speaking with you at this point. 227 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,000 Um, so I mean I don't know did should we 228 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,840 give any other information other than 229 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520 what you've presented so far? 230 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,200 >> If there's information that you feel is 231 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,720 valuable and important for the planning 232 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,799 commission to know as a component this 233 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:10,559 hearing, feel free to provide it. If you 234 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:11,760 think that we've buttoned most of that 235 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,039 up at this time and you want to wait for 236 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,960 questions, that's up to you. I would say 237 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,440 the only thing I'd throw in is uh we do 238 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,880 have to have it redone because we 239 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,400 already met with Benton County permit 240 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,360 folks three or four months ago, but 241 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,320 maybe a year ago we did have your local 242 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,799 fire chief give us the okay on the 243 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,200 project as is and including the existing 244 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 turnarounds. Um he did want sprinklers 245 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,400 installed which we do have you know in 246 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,320 the budget and in the plans for the new 247 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,880 building. Um, but because it's older 248 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,080 than 6 months, county wants wants him to 249 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,760 fill that paperwork out again. But we 250 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,000 did already receive his preliminary 251 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480 approval about a year ago when we first 252 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080 started trying to move forward with 253 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,799 things. 254 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,000 And just one thing to add, um, you know, 255 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,279 there's a lot of discussion in there 256 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,080 about storm water and potable water and 257 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,600 things of that nature, and they're all 258 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,880 going to be well, except with the 259 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600 potential of the electrical, they're all 260 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,120 going to be new, um, you know, uh, 261 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,000 services hopefully, you know, just 262 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,159 attaching to existing services 263 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:22,880 underneath Orchard Street is what we're 264 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,960 hoping happens. What might happen with 265 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,520 the electrical is there might be an 266 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,279 existing service that was added as part 267 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,400 of a work done a year or two ago for the 268 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,960 church that is just waiting there for 269 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,679 the new food pantry to tap into 270 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,440 basically. 271 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,110 >> Right. 272 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,240 » You're ready. You can let it. 273 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,159 >> All right. I we can answer any 274 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:51,120 questions. Hopefully you have any. Your 275 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,559 questions can be directed at either the 276 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,840 applicant or myself. 277 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,480 >> So, as far as access, handicap access 278 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,200 and stuff to the facility, um, is that 279 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760 going to be I mean, I'm is there going 280 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,159 to be a concrete or is it paved in some 281 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:07,600 way so that people get in and out of 282 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,880 there? It it's my hope that uh once we 283 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,880 get things going that this will probably 284 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,559 be a separate issue, but I really want 285 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,440 to have sidewalk from the main sidewalk 286 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840 all the way to the new food pantry so 287 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 that people that have challenges and 288 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,760 have wheelchair or mobile uh mobility 289 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,720 issues will be able to have access. 290 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,679 That is in in in my plans in my head, 291 00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:35,679 but it'll be on paper at some point. 292 00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:38,080 >> One one other question too. So with are 293 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,919 you planning on expanding the the number 294 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:41,600 of people that you provide services to 295 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,159 or going outside the Monroe area or or 296 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:47,760 is that is there a a goal with this? 297 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,559 >> So we already serve people from all over 298 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,520 from Lane Lynn and Benton counties and 299 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760 so we because the food pantry is not 300 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:03,200 obligated to be within a certain uh uh delineated area we are um required to 301 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,200 be open for anybody. So, we already 302 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,000 serve a great deal of people that um you 303 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,919 know, we would love to see see more 304 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:14,240 Monrovians be able to come and and be 305 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159 part of that. And hopefully with this 306 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:17,919 new construction, they'll see that 307 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:21,279 that's happening. But we we already this 308 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,360 year alone, if you look at the numbers 309 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,480 that we served, um and that would be 310 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,600 just people in all together and families 311 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,440 um we've already served over 10,000 312 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,279 people this year. 313 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,400 >> Thank you. So just also to clarify the 314 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,799 you you're kind of busting at the seams 315 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,440 depending on 316 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,240 >> and so this is helping to right side 317 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000 your capacity for what you're doing. 318 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,400 >> That's correct. And we also have um two 319 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,559 programs three three programs running in 320 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,799 that food pantry. So we um have our 321 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,480 South Benton County Gleaners program in 322 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,080 there which is a different nonprofit 323 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399 that's using our site and renting that. 324 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,640 And then we also serve seniors and we 325 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,480 have a snack pack program with the grade 326 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,840 school. And so we're trying we're 327 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320 running all of those uh programs within 328 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,640 that building and it's way way too 329 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,320 small. 330 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320 >> Yeah. My my only the only purpose of my 331 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,640 question just is it going to increase 332 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,399 vehicle traffic and so on so forth in 333 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:17,840 the in that neighborhood and in that 334 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840 area. That was my only question. 335 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,559 >> I think that the what you see now is is 336 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,480 definitely what you get and if it 337 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,919 increases that's because the need 338 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:26,960 increased. 339 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,399 >> Okay. 340 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:29,919 Janice, the facilities that are there 341 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:32,480 now that you're using, where do those 342 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,880 date where do those date 343 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,240 >> the facilities? 344 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120 >> So the the garage that we're currently 345 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,120 in was the parking garage for the the 346 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,000 people that the parsonage um and the 347 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,159 lady that um was the pastor of that 348 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,799 church at that time in the in late 1980s 349 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,799 just started that food pantry out of her 350 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,240 house and then moved it to the garage 351 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,559 and that's where it's been ever since. 352 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,799 Um and the food pantry became a 353 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,559 nonprofit and um and rented from the uh 354 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,880 from the Monroe United Methodist Church 355 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000 in 2013 when we became our own nonprofit 356 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,960 and then we bought um the property in in 357 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,279 2022 and so now it belongs to the South 358 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:18,230 Mountain Food Pantry. 359 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880 » The uh 360 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480 the parcel right behind your area is the 361 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,279 community garden. 362 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:28,159 Is that correct? 363 00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:29,840 >> The parcel next to us. 364 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600 >> Let's send it back there. 365 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,480 >> The sharing gardens. 366 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,640 is next to us. Yes. 367 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,480 Yeah. 368 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,960 >> Do they used the parking lot to get to 369 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,840 their facility? 370 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,399 >> Yes. 371 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,320 >> Do they have an easement? 372 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,279 >> They do not have an easement on paper. 373 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,039 Um my biggest concern is um doing a 374 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,919 permanent easement like that if that um 375 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:54,159 with them in their the age bracket that 376 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:57,039 they're at and and you know life happens 377 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,440 um if that property was bought by a 378 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,679 developer I would not really like to 379 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:04,880 have that happen but that's my opinion 380 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,120 and so I have I'm looking out for the 381 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120 future as well and so I would like to 382 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080 just remain as it is 383 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,200 >> but there is a way for them to get they 384 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,520 can get there. Um, and if you look at 385 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880 the old um maps and things like that, it 386 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,200 was my understanding that the greenway 387 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,640 that is um by the um parking lot could 388 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,799 be a road if it if it turns out we have 389 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,399 to do something different in the future, 390 00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:34,880 but I don't envision that happening. 391 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440 >> Um, what about curb or sidewalk? 392 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640 >> This is not a subdivision or a partition 393 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,240 of land. The applicant has no 394 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,559 requirement to make any improvements to 395 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,720 the right of way. 396 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,159 >> Okay. 397 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:51,600 >> So, they don't have the requirement to 398 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,520 build curves for their sidewalk. They're 399 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,360 absolutely welcome to do that. And if 400 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,520 your sidewalk ties in to our existing 401 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,279 sidewalk, which I think I hear that it 402 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,039 will, um, that would be very much 403 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:01,760 appreciated. 404 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,720 >> Yeah. 405 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,279 >> Is the county going to require a patron? 406 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,960 >> They may. The county may give you their 407 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,080 own requirements and I'm sure that 408 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,760 you're well aware of that because it's 409 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,279 Portric Street is a county facility. 410 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,799 They may throw other things at you that 411 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,799 extend these conditions beyond our 412 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,159 patri. 413 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:17,919 >> So the sprinkler system you guys are 414 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:19,360 putting in. 415 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,039 >> Not We have a subcontractor. Yes, 416 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,240 >> you have a subcontractor. 417 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,640 >> Yeah. 418 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,520 >> Uh what kind of water uh flow are you 419 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,240 doing? The the pipes that go there now, 420 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880 is that going to be enough to to buy in 421 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,640 case of the buyer? 422 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,120 >> I'm I honestly I can't speak to that. 423 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440 I'd have to have them consult. It's 424 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,279 rainbow sprinklers. I think they're at 425 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,600 11. And um the way that will work is 426 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,399 that their contractor will provide uh 427 00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:48,399 flow calculations. Those flow 428 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,080 calculations will be provided to the 429 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960 city engineer of record who will look at 430 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,600 the capacity available at your sign off 431 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,840 or state that they need to be upsizing. 432 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,240 >> Right. I'm just kind of learning from 433 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880 this. Yes. And if upsizment is required, 434 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,279 there's possibility of discussing 435 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,200 additional uh system development 436 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,480 charges. And I'm sure you're aware of 437 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,919 that. You deal with that in other places 438 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:13,519 as well. But we hope and we think at 439 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,679 this time that you'll be able to stay 440 00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:18,159 with what you currently have. Um that is 441 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:19,519 why we have the engineers though 442 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,039 speaking engineers one another so that 443 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,360 they can confirm those things. 444 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,200 >> The backflow valves that is required. 445 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,440 >> How long have those been required? 446 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,559 >> I don't know. 447 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,830 >> Really long time. 448 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,519 like many decades. 449 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,039 >> Not for the city there. 450 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,600 >> Well, I would know about 451 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,799 >> fire code, you know. So, that's national 452 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,200 international and those things are are 453 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600 stated in their code and of course given 454 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,279 down to local governments to comply 455 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,039 with. So, even though it may not be 456 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,279 expressly stated in our code, they are 457 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,000 required. 458 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,440 >> I'm just learning. 459 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,320 >> I'm glad you're asking. 460 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,600 >> Which side of the meter is is that on 461 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,679 >> for the backlo requirement? Mhm. 462 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,600 >> Uh typically my understanding is that 463 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,200 would be on the applicant side but again 464 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,720 that would be the engineer of record who 465 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,799 gives that determination 466 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,200 >> and this is required for Alvin too 467 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,880 >> typically especially if it's multif 468 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840 family but those requirements are stated 469 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,240 within our design standards. We have a 470 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,159 very thick packet of design standards 471 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,480 that are actually quite old. Um but our 472 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,159 engineer of record is it's his 473 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:26,080 responsibility to interpret those and 474 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,679 ensure that the applicant is meeting 475 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:29,440 them. 476 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760 >> Well yeah. Okay. Number 16 on the 477 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320 requirements was uh striping and signage 478 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,440 and I I heard you comment on that and I 479 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,159 know it's a gravel parking lot. 480 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:41,919 How are you going to work with that? 481 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:43,919 >> This commission and I'll be fully 482 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:45,120 compared with you. This commission has 483 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760 the authority to require that. My my 484 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760 goal would be to try to work with them 485 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,679 and determine if there is some way that 486 00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,960 we can find uh path forward. Again, 487 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,399 being fully transparent here, it's 488 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:57,519 highly likely that we'll require 489 00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,760 baiting, but I don't want to state that 490 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,279 at this time. We'll go through that. 491 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,519 We'll go through those steps with our 492 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:04,159 record. 493 00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:07,360 >> Our parking blocks uh 494 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000 that would kind of make it so that's a 495 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,560 space, but then to put stripes on there 496 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,520 is ridiculous. 497 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,200 >> Well, you do see stripes in gravel 498 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,639 parking lots. You're absolutely right, 499 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,760 though, that they typically migrate and 500 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,200 go away and you have to continuously 501 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,119 stripe over time. Um, it can also be 502 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:24,800 very challenging with cars coming in and 503 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,800 out. Uh, there could be damage to the 504 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,399 site. You'd have to continuously bring 505 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,359 in rock over time. My personal view and 506 00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,280 my preference would be for the site to 507 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,200 be paved. I recognize that this is a 508 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,720 nonprofit organization, so I want to 509 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,159 work with you to the best we can that we 510 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,079 can, but two things, it may ultimately 511 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,639 be required and I strongly recommend it 512 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,119 anyway, but this commission also has the 513 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,200 ability to require. 514 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,440 >> So, I have a question along those lines 515 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:56,079 then. I know that the neighbors um will not likely like to have that 516 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,960 paid. We've already had that discussion 517 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,640 and so um that might be something we 518 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,880 might have to work with 519 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,640 for future reference. 520 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,400 >> Absolutely. So, so that everybody is 521 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480 aware there there's a 14-day appeal 522 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,720 period during which anybody could write 523 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,440 a written appeal um the following a 524 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,280 notice of decision providing that it 525 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,960 were favorable. That would be the 526 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,320 opportunity and the time in which 527 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,760 somebody could raise that consent. 528 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,880 >> Okay. 529 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,599 >> I think the only reason anybody's even 530 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,079 looking at paving is a is an issue is 531 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,200 because of safety hazards for 532 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960 patrons and people coming in out of 533 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,800 there. I think that's the that is the 534 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,920 real reason. I I think that that's you 535 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,480 know I I as long as it's maintained well 536 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,920 and everything I don't have a problem 537 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,160 especially in our climate 538 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:44,720 but um 539 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,800 >> you're absolutely right sir the applic 540 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,720 the reasons for it would be for public 541 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,680 safety um and also aesthetics the 542 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,560 reasons potentially to support not 543 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,320 paving it would be storm water 544 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,119 infiltration 545 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,920 >> yeah 546 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,680 I get the sense that there are perhaps a 547 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,839 range of options to pursue while it's 548 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:15,680 not necessarily asis or paid like there I've seen a lot of different 549 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,640 solutions out there in terms of 550 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,960 parking areas that can be permeable and 551 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440 also still have stuff embedded in it so 552 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,960 that it can provide some guidance of the striping and the like. So, as long 553 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,320 as we're meeting the letter of the code, 554 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 and I think that there's plenty of room 555 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040 here to work out there. 556 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,760 >> I have a quick question for you, TJ. Uh, 557 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,040 number 18 here, the survey of with the 558 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,040 property boundaries and the structure 559 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,760 locations. Is that not already included 560 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,720 in the packet here? 561 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,880 >> It's not a full survey. They did do this 562 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,640 basically, it's a back of the envelope, 563 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,280 pretty darn close to accurate where the 564 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,640 building location, the footprint is 565 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,240 going to be. What we would like to see, 566 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,920 and I'm not requiring that you have a 567 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,599 survey or go and do this, although it is 568 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,800 recommended, um it could be a um an 569 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,800 equivalent professional who can provide 570 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800 the documentation that is acceptable to 571 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480 the city that verifies those property 572 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,240 boundaries. And we'll absolutely have a 573 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,160 team meeting or meeting with you and the 574 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,000 city engineer record so you can 575 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,280 understand exactly what they're looking 576 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,119 for. We just want to make sure that what 577 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,880 you're telling us you're putting is what 578 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,320 you're ultimately going to put on the 579 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,920 record. 580 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,160 And just um for your knowledge, we did 581 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,240 have a survey done before we bought the 582 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,960 place. So um there should be a survey 583 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,200 some place that is documented in Benton 584 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,599 County. 585 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,280 >> Well, the the survey would specifically 586 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,359 include the building footprints 587 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:39,280 >> that are dulling on the ground. Okay. 588 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,280 >> After removing the the existing stuff, 589 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,599 >> I have a question for you. So, so under 590 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,760 the uh staff analysis and conditional 591 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,520 dues under under section 2.500 592 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,000 um does this um does is this a change in 593 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000 lot area by increasing the size of 594 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,040 building? 595 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,079 >> No. Uh 596 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,400 >> so the so the structure itself doesn't 597 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,240 decrease the lot area. 598 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,800 >> So that the lot is still exactly what it 599 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,240 is currently. 600 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,320 >> I didn't know if that was open land or 601 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,839 >> That's a good point. Yeah. 602 00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:14,079 >> Yeah. kind we're kind of jumping to 603 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,920 questions to you. Um I have a couple 604 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,359 there, but I just want you people 605 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,200 already asked some great questions about 606 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,320 conditional for approval. Um is there 607 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,560 anything else in there? I mean there's a 608 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,079 lot of flexibility in there to work on, 609 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:27,839 but for you and the contractor, anything 610 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:31,520 else jump out that that might raise now 611 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000 or other people understood 612 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,960 fall in line you're already thinking? 613 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,520 I I mean for me and Jerry can talk from 614 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640 his side for me parking lot signage 615 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,760 striping that was all kind of a new you 616 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,079 know we weren't looking at that at all. 617 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,480 Um, and then sort of the storm water 618 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,359 plan would be, I mean, obviously we're 619 00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:54,880 going to put, you know, gutters on the 620 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520 new roof and all that, but as far as a a 621 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,440 detailed plan, yeah, we'll have to uh 622 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,880 get something that'll meet your 623 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,720 requirements there, 624 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,520 >> which is understood, not even surprising 625 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,119 in 626 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,119 concern at this point. 627 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:10,960 >> No, not at this point, but who knows 628 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,000 when what the current infrastructure 629 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,040 will look like under Orchard. I mean, 630 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,440 and kind of thinking what Janice is 631 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,040 probably thinking, she now we have a 632 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,560 parking lot that we're paving and now 633 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,320 we're adding, you know, more and more 634 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240 costs. And it to be honest, I mean, I 635 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,839 don't know. 636 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,800 My view is this is becoming pretty 637 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,599 expensive from what we've been, you 638 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,920 know, getting for feedback on costs from 639 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,280 all the various subcontractors. And so 640 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,480 I'm I guess I'm a little concerned for 641 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,440 the project even just adding the cost of 642 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000 paving that gravel area in there. Who 643 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160 knows how much that is another 20 30 644 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,839 40,000. I mean yeah. So 645 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,200 >> yeah, that was that was kind of my 646 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,960 original push about the handicap space. 647 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400 I mean I maybe one designated handicap 648 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,040 space had a concrete pad and a concrete 649 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,640 walkway. just I don't know what the 650 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,599 county is going to require as far as uh 651 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,280 handicap access. You know, I don't know 652 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,640 what they're and a lot of it's going to 653 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,480 end up in the county. They're just going 654 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,359 to be out of our hand. 655 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:14,880 >> Well, this this as far this as far as 656 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,640 that goes is all us and we get to 657 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,720 determine parking spaces, quantity of 658 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,160 parking spaces and type of parking 659 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,520 spaces. I'm very happy with having one 660 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,440 um handicap parking space. I would like 661 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,720 to consult with the engineer record. 662 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,240 Again, we'll have a meeting with the 663 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,160 applicant and the engineer director as 664 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,280 well as the fire chief and the um uh 665 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920 sheriff all together in one meeting. We 666 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,599 have a monthly development review 667 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,040 committee meeting that I've stood up and 668 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,720 established. Our first one is coming up 669 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,160 on the 12th. I'll probably schedule you 670 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,440 guys the following month so you have 671 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,119 some time to digest all of this. But 672 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,800 that'll be your opportunity to ask all 673 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,160 these questions. It will be the engineer 674 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,760 of records opportunity to review the 675 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960 applicable code with respect to this 676 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,119 application and come to that meeting 677 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,760 prepared to provide the applicant with 678 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,839 any news that they unfortunately have to 679 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,920 deliver or green lights to go ahead with 680 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,240 certain conditions. Um I'm simply 681 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,240 providing the land use requirements from 682 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,839 here and then I'll rely on those experts 683 00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:09,680 moving forward. 684 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,920 >> And there is handicap designation where 685 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,920 >> so originally yeah it's hard to see it 686 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000 now in the very front of the building. 687 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,640 Um uh on on the Orchard Street there was 688 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,640 a a this whole section that was painted 689 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,520 blue. Um I don't believe it had a sign, 690 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,280 but you know if that's what I need to 691 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,319 do, I'll do that. Um there and there was 692 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:31,680 a um there is a little pad apron that 693 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,760 comes out um from the sidewalk to the 694 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,480 gravel that could easily be designated 695 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,280 as real accessible. 696 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,760 >> A couple questions. Um, when we talk 697 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,480 about water and sewer capacity, that's 698 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,200 onsite, not the city of water and sewer 699 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,800 capacity. There's not a review of what 700 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,960 the city has in the street. It's more of 701 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,480 onsite 702 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,400 size of the the size of the 703 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,119 >> Yes. And and let me follow that. So, 704 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,440 yes, that's absolutely true. if the 705 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200 recurrent 706 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,359 um sizing of the line coming from our 707 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:10,160 main to the site is sufficient to 708 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,920 satisfy this development project. If it 709 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920 is not big enough, let's say that they 710 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,720 have a 1 in and that they need a one and 711 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,160 a half inch that case they would simply 712 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,720 have to tap into our line. We would give 713 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,560 approval for them to do that and as a 714 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,760 result we would charge them an increment 715 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,880 of the system development charge in 716 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,359 order to account for the additional flow 717 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:38,560 that they will be using on that site. So 718 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,560 you're absolutely right unless it 719 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640 requires more than what they currently 720 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,440 are using charge support 721 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160 >> and then the county can't depending what 722 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,480 this group decides about the conditional 723 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,920 use question the county is not able to 724 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800 question that or modify that 725 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,079 >> absolutely correct uh land use 100% uh 726 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,720 the city's perview you get to determine 727 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,480 as the planning commission what 728 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,640 conditions are required my job as staff 729 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,119 is to provide to with my expert 730 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,880 interpretation of this that you all are 731 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,000 the decision makers. 732 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,680 >> I think my only thing would just be at 733 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640 least one antic designated antic parking 734 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,760 space and a safe address to facility. 735 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,319 That would be my only I don't I don't I 736 00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:25,839 don't think having a gravel parking lot 737 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:28,960 should be an issue. 738 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,230 personal opinion. I think that 739 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,680 with given our weather and things like 740 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,800 that, it would better to have some 741 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,160 absorption in the parking lot instead of 742 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,880 runoff increasing our store capacity. 743 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,960 >> So, Chair Cerson, what I'm hearing is 744 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960 that we would like to see a handicap 745 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,400 parking space, but you will leave it to 746 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480 the engine record to determine what the 747 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,680 minimum requirements are. 748 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,359 >> Right. Right. Yeah. I don't think we're 749 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,599 not qualified to make that decision, but 750 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,280 we want you to be successful. We want 751 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,119 this this is not a we got you. We want to make sure you're 752 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:00,560 >> there aren't any hurdles in your way 753 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,720 that that we're going to also we 754 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,200 represent the the citizens too and then 755 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,560 >> we want to make sure they're safe and 756 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,480 that what's happening on this property 757 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,319 continues to be a benefit to them and to 758 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:13,359 their and all of a sudden become a 759 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:16,240 you know a news to them basically. No, 760 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,480 >> I'd like to second what what he says too 761 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,480 actually. That was an excellent point 762 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,200 which is the city right now is uh 763 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000 already facing some challenges regarding 764 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,800 storm water. And so um I think it makes 765 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,119 total sense to leave it as a as a 766 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,000 permeable surface for now and then maybe 767 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,720 down the road when we have resolved that 768 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,880 we could then discuss that as a 769 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,680 potential additional project down road. 770 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,119 But I think it's as long as there's some 771 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,839 access there, it's I think there's a 772 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:49,200 good reason not to do it. 773 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,880 >> So you all understand what that means. 774 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,280 You look at permeable and impermeable 775 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,240 surface area and as you get rid of 776 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,480 permeable surface area. This requires 777 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,720 expensive engineers to come in and find 778 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,640 places for those things to be contained 779 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,480 as you all learned in our last hearing, 780 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,319 right? So the more we restrict permeable 781 00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:10,560 surface, the more they have to figure 782 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,560 out where that additional storm water is 783 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,720 going to go. Um this building footprint 784 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,880 is slightly larger than is this existing 785 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,880 footprint and so there is going to be 786 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,440 more impermanmeable surface just as a 787 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,880 result of the development. So I think 788 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,160 what you're saying makes a lot of sense 789 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,720 and as long as we can find room within 790 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,480 the design standards to make it work, 791 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,599 we're in a good shape. 792 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,280 I want to echo Fred's comments that um 793 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,160 South Bas serves 794 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,000 a demonstrated need in this community 795 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,920 and I want to do everything we can to 796 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,480 make it as successful with as few 797 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,240 roadblocks as possible. So to that end I 798 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,720 concur with you. 799 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,359 >> There is a what three foot uh chrome 800 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,599 drain pipe in front of that building. 801 00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:58,480 >> I don't know. 802 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,560 >> I believe so. um 803 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,359 >> goes all the way from the very top of 804 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:05,359 10th Street 805 00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:08,160 all the way down to somewhere. 806 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,440 >> You're very likely right. My 807 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,960 inexperience with the community is just 808 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,240 why I don't know, but that's something 809 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,680 that we last a little concerned about. 810 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,720 >> That's fine. But, you know, it's 811 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,400 something to be kept in later. 812 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,079 >> Yeah, absolutely. We do. So, we do have 813 00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:19,440 a place for storm water conveyance 814 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,119 across all of our main roads. Where it's 815 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:22,560 located or how big it is, that I can't 816 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,920 speak to, but we absolutely do have 817 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560 storm water facility available. The 818 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,040 other thing I have is u delivery of you 819 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,000 get deliveries constantly or twice a 820 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,640 week or 821 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,560 >> once a week. 822 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,560 >> and I I know I notice on your drawing 823 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,119 here you're putting in a roller filter 824 00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:42,560 which is great. 825 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,920 >> We changed that 826 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,400 >> actually. 827 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,520 >> Yeah, that's been changed to 828 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,440 >> Well, because Janice had said there 829 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,640 really wasn't a need for them to 830 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,560 actually, you know, drive into the new 831 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,880 building. I currently have a rollup door 832 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,119 and it doesn't get used for that purpose 833 00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,760 because of the grade of the con of the 834 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560 rocks and to the to the concrete. It's 835 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,760 too steep and when they put the the 836 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,520 trailer down, they have to really back 837 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,359 it up. And it doesn't make any sense to 838 00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:11,359 go any further than that. And currently 839 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,520 with the way the building is designed 840 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,440 and being used, there's just no way for 841 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,680 them to use it the way it was intended. 842 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,520 So it it didn't seem 843 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,560 as as a good idea to do that at this 844 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,760 point in time. 845 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,000 >> So your delivery door will be your main 846 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,599 >> it'll be two no 847 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,680 >> there'll be two entry door an entry and 848 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,319 an exit door for for customers people. 849 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,400 Um and then there'll be two double 850 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880 commercial doors in place of the rollup 851 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,839 garage door. 852 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:41,440 >> Gotcha. And you're going to put a pad 853 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,480 out in front of that. 854 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,240 >> Yeah. 855 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,800 >> Okay. So they're pallet jacking and 856 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,839 stuff down in there. 857 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,440 >> Yes. 858 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,640 >> A new adventure. 859 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,000 >> Yeah. 860 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,680 >> Can I ask clarifying question? Will 861 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,040 there be any increase in the volume of? 862 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,760 >> Um not to my knowledge. It'll just be 863 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:07,510 once a week. 864 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,960 » Does anybody have any questions, 865 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,160 comments, concerns? 866 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920 >> Do we have any motions? Well, I will go 867 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,599 ahead and provide the motion options for 868 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,280 you. Is there anything further that 869 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,960 either the applicant or any of the 870 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,400 planning commissioners would like to 871 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,549 raise before moving forward? 872 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,000 » They're already doing business out of 873 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800 the one building they got. It's just uh 874 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920 make it more efficient. 875 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,359 >> And a bathroom, 876 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,839 >> bathroom, a waiting area. People have to 877 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,079 stand outside right now. So, you know, 878 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:39,440 this is going to be a big change for 879 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:39,920 everybody. 880 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,589 >> Goldplated toilets. Yes. 881 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,309 » Cut down a water. 882 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:51,839 » So here you have in front of you two 883 00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:53,520 motions which stand as a script for 884 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,520 whoever gets to the couch first and 885 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,359 wants to make the motion. There are two 886 00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:59,760 options. One is approval to approve the 887 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,599 site design review with no conditional 888 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,520 use requirement. 889 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,559 >> Option two is denial to deny the site 890 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,280 design review for specific reasons on 891 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,280 the record. 892 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,839 Do we have that handicap provision on on 893 00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:14,880 the screen? 894 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,920 >> And you can include that I add to the 895 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,599 conditions of approval. We don't have to 896 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,440 make a new one. We can add the parking 897 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,280 conditions of approval that you are 898 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,760 requiring a handicap parking space. And 899 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,000 if you check that on the end of your um 900 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,319 sentence there what you read, I will 901 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:35,359 include that in the notice of position. 902 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:36,800 >> Just make sure it's included with the 903 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,480 engineer review. 904 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,920 typically so 905 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,520 >> but because I do not have direct 906 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,599 knowledge of the design standards and 907 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,920 you feel you want to rather make certain 908 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,910 you can do 909 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,910 » okay 910 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,599 » I move the planning commission approve 911 00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,440 the site design review application for 912 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,760 the southbase food pantry development 913 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,200 based on the findings of fact and 914 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,720 conclusions contained in the staff 915 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,119 report and subject to the conditions of 916 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,630 approval 917 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,079 And in making this decision, the 918 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,680 commission finds that the proposal 919 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,599 constitutes a continuation and 920 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,280 modernization of an existing 921 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,079 institutional nonprofit and does not 922 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,319 require conditional use permit under its 923 00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,480 legal development code. 924 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,640 >> Finally, Parkinson 925 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,280 >> um I thought we agreed 926 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,640 >> but I thought we said we're going to 927 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,720 leave that to the you want to add that 928 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,559 >> handicap. One handicapped hand 929 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,800 >> and add one handicapped 930 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,000 designated handicapped cartoon 931 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,800 >> space in the cartoon. 932 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,640 >> Everybody got that? 933 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:50,790 >> I would like to walk 15. 934 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,119 » You read that so well. 935 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,400 >> Did a great job. 936 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,240 The motion. We have a first and a 937 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:06,950 second. All in favor? I. Any opposition? 938 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:13,270 » Congratulations. 939 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,520 I have no idea. 940 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:23,430 >> Start tomorrow. 941 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,640 » Hopefully they'll be 942 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,119 >> Well, they felt that once we had all 943 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,400 their forms and teeth do all that that 944 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,920 they 945 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,319 be as quick as two weeks. 946 00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:35,200 >> That'd be great 947 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,440 >> at this time of year, 948 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,160 >> right? 949 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,069 >> So, 950 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,599 no, 951 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,910 we're not even 952 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,160 I mean, at least from the far end, we're 953 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,160 hoping 954 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,319 to 955 00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,359 >> spring. Well, midFebruary would be to 956 00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:01,119 start demo and end up in the first 957 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,160 meeting. So, 958 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,750 >> we're hoping, 959 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,319 » right? Sure. So, I had a question here 960 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:12,240 from um Commissioner Gdanis and I wanted 961 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,000 to go ahead and comment on this. This 962 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,280 brings us back to what I mentioned 963 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,119 briefly earlier while going with the 964 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,200 staff report. So, what I have 965 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000 implemented is a monthly development 966 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,119 review committee. This is intended to 967 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,280 bring all of the subject matter experts 968 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,760 and the individuals who must sign off on 969 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,440 major projects. So, I'm not going to be 970 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,760 bringing residential units, even 971 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,119 duplexes before the DRC as I call it. 972 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,040 It'll be three units or above and all 973 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,760 commercial projects. And the goal is 974 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,000 following approval by the planning 975 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,359 commission and maybe sometimes 976 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,640 beforehand if it's a complex product. Um 977 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,119 what will happen is the fire chief, 978 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,920 myself, our engineer of record as well 979 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,280 as uh the sheriff for the county will 980 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,160 discuss any concerns that come to mind 981 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,079 for them. This way there are no curve 982 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,920 balls to the applicant. there's 983 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,119 something that's going to be required, 984 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,200 like for example, a paid parking lot. 985 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,880 Um, if the applicant is well aware of 986 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,559 that long before they break ground and 987 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,000 they have a performer in front of them 988 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,599 with a certain budget they're working on 989 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,440 and then they get hit with it before the 990 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,880 certificate of occupancy and they really 991 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,720 have no choice but to pay for those 992 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,240 things. It's best to be able to tell 993 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,760 everybody ahead of uh ahead of time what 994 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,520 the rules of the game are are going to 995 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,839 be. Um, so this month we'll be talking 996 00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:30,079 about a couple of projects with the BRC 997 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,520 and I hope that next month and I'll be 998 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,440 in touch with y'all um to schedule that 999 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,680 time that we could put this project in 1000 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,359 front of the BRC for any final 1001 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,040 requirements that be required at the 1002 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,800 brand new. 1003 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,079 >> Yeah, thank you for doing that. 1004 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,400 >> Yeah, absolutely. It's common in larger 1005 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,079 jurisdictions and it's something that I 1006 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,359 think is really valuable. 1007 00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:52,800 >> So Tom, uh, next meeting we have any uh, 1008 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,920 we're going to do a work session or what 1009 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,720 are we going to do next? Uh at our next 1010 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,480 meeting we have a partition request um 1011 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,119 for the Wilbur Ellis site. We're also 1012 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,200 going to be fitting in a little bit of 1013 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,079 time for our uh for a little more work 1014 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,160 session related items. 1015 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,040 >> Okay. So that partition that dividing 1016 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,920 what the truck parking and stuff is 1017 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,920 because that this is pursuant to 1018 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,520 selling. 1019 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,520 I don't know what the applicants in 1020 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,520 this. 1021 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,839 >> We will find out. 1022 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:29,839 >> Are we on the other yet? 1023 00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:30,480 >> What's that? 1024 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,599 >> Are we on the other yet? 1025 00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,280 >> Go ahead. Go ahead. 1026 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:44,630 >> I got about four things. 1027 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,480 » What Whatever happened to zoning on 1028 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,230 Commercial Street? 1029 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,640 I think you're probably talking about 1030 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,440 GRA GR3s. No, that was commercial. 1031 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,240 >> Commercial. We're gonna rezone 1032 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,880 commercial street commercial. Is that 1033 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,880 >> Yeah, because it fits. 1034 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,240 >> Was that the reason? 1035 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:05,920 >> No, it was that we have so much 1036 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,440 commercial along that stretch. 1037 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,520 >> Okay. This is news to me. So, thank you 1038 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,280 for letting me know about it. Like many 1039 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,720 of other our other reasons, 1040 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,319 >> but give me time. 1041 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:15,920 >> Just letting me know that that was 1042 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,839 something that you all did. It clearly 1043 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,119 was one of those things that didn't make 1044 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,720 it to the to the state because I don't 1045 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:22,079 see in the list of things that you 1046 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,880 started. 1047 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,359 >> Sure. 1048 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:24,640 >> And it certainly wasn't finalized 1049 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,760 because none of our 1050 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,640 >> I don't think pardon me. Apologies. I 1051 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480 don't think it got finalized. I don't 1052 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,079 think council approved it. 1053 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,079 >> Oh, the city council didn't. 1054 00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:35,119 >> As far as I know, 1055 00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,280 >> I think it did get out of get through 1056 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,240 this commission. 1057 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:39,760 >> I think it was just 1058 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,640 >> it was basically from 6 to 7 is where 1059 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,760 they were going to 1060 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,880 there. We have the fire department 1061 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,119 there. We have a property across the 1062 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,119 street. There was just 1063 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,119 >> What I can do is I will look through our 1064 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,160 record digital and I can search easily 1065 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,520 enough through that folder and just pull 1066 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,839 out when and what was discussed. 1067 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:03,920 >> Well, it's 5th to 7th. 1068 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,520 >> 5th 1069 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,960 >> because you got Monroe telephone, you 1070 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,000 got Mart, you got Christmas Junction. 1071 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,960 Just it just fits. 1072 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,359 >> I assume somebody put together mapping 1073 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,200 for you. 1074 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,599 Yeah, we had we had quite a bunch of 1075 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,280 conversations about it. So, 1076 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,960 >> okay, I will look into it, find out 1077 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,119 where we left off in fairly, 1078 00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,280 >> but I think the point is a lot of those 1079 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,480 resoning tech things we voted on never 1080 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,040 were finalized, never move forward. So, 1081 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,480 the chance we need to do that, 1082 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,359 >> right? 1083 00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:34,960 >> We've got a lot to bring back and forth. 1084 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,480 >> He's been here for quite a while now. 1085 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,079 So, 1086 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,799 >> like the parallel parking on dragon that 1087 00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:42,160 never got addressed. 1088 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,040 >> What is that? Oh yeah, 1089 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,720 >> the parallel parking on Dragon Drive has 1090 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,000 never been fixed. 1091 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,319 >> Hey, that's on my list. That's a safety 1092 00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:49,040 issue. 1093 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,119 >> Safety issue we identified two years ago 1094 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,240 and and it never got and we promised the 1095 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,680 Catholic Church that we would do it so 1096 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,200 that our sidewalk wouldn't get room that 1097 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,119 they did and then we never followed 1098 00:56:59,119 --> 00:56:59,839 through. 1099 00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:02,000 >> No, we're that's adjacent to the school 1100 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:02,960 district. Is that right? 1101 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,359 >> Right. 1102 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:04,640 >> Yeah. No, we're good on that. We're 1103 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,160 actually working directly with middle 1104 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,799 school on that project. Those blocks 1105 00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,880 have been are ready to be purchased. is 1106 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,240 not going to purchase them without them 1107 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:13,680 giving us their go-ahhead and what they 1108 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,280 want. Getting in front of them has 1109 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,640 proved a little more challenging, but I 1110 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:17,839 think now that we're past the holidays, 1111 00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,440 Mark's already ready to get us 1112 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,520 >> Well, we we want parallel parking there 1113 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,200 because right now they back out into 1114 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,520 >> I know. And so we'll put the the border 1115 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,160 the the blocks there which prevent them 1116 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,079 from parking that way. actually doesn't 1117 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,240 leave enough room. 1118 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,599 Yeah, 1119 00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,480 >> that one 1120 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,200 >> already. 1121 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,799 >> Uh, city hall remodel. 1122 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,720 >> How how's that coming along? And I don't 1123 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,200 know if the everybody knows about what 1124 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,040 you guys are planning or 1125 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,200 >> so city hall, you say remodeling, but 1126 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,799 I'll I'll correct that slightly. It's 1127 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:55,280 really going to be um a redevelopment of 1128 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,640 city hall. Um, as you all know, uh, our 1129 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,200 engineer of record did a full analysis 1130 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,280 of the structural integrity of that 1131 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,680 building. It's built with a terracotta 1132 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:10,799 blocks which, uh, have no seismicist. 1133 00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:12,880 >> No, they can't withhold any seismic 1134 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,359 force at all. And it's likely we don't 1135 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,400 have fill cells down those or rebar. Um 1136 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,079 there's the option of throwing a bunch 1137 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,440 of money and never really getting the 1138 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,240 current building code or um moving 1139 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,079 forward with a new city hall. There's a 1140 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:27,440 time frame of three to five years to 1141 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,520 complete that. City council is working 1142 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,119 through that now. So that's something 1143 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:35,119 that is in chair um on their laps. You 1144 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,480 all will hear about that when an 1145 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,960 application comes forward, but we will 1146 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,200 be looking to fund that project over the 1147 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,119 next couple of weeks. I brought this up 1148 00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,000 at the fireboard meeting and they are 1149 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,720 willing to work with the city on an 1150 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,400 emergency 1151 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,640 preparedness 1152 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,839 part of the building. 1153 00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:56,319 >> Yeah. So I reached out to Chris Barnes. 1154 00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:58,400 Um so one of the things I proposed to 1155 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,400 the council is that we build an 1156 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,640 emergency operation center. What that 1157 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,040 does, it allows us to tap into many more 1158 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,640 streams of revenues from the federal and 1159 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,799 state government. It also allows us to 1160 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,640 operationalize the facilities. It's not 1161 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,040 just for city services, but also for 1162 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,280 emergency services, for volunteer 1163 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,280 emergency operation, emergency volunteer 1164 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,520 core operations. Uh, and it's also a 1165 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,640 place for the state and the federal 1166 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,640 government to come where they need to 1167 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,640 dispatch and have a central command 1168 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,680 location. Um, there's a lot of uh 1169 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,079 potential to build something that has a 1170 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,160 lot less impact on the city and provides 1171 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,000 a huge benefit for South County. We 1172 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,280 don't have DOC right now. 1173 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,160 Well done. 1174 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,160 >> The as you know the the fire department 1175 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,000 received some grant funding to do some 1176 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,640 seismic improvements to their structure. 1177 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,319 Uh that's going to go ahead and they're 1178 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:47,599 going to continue doing that but there 1179 00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,079 may be a possibility that we can slide 1180 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:51,839 into their process and and work 1181 00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:55,589 alongside them. 1182 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,599 » Excellent. um 7th Street 1183 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,520 um from Main Street all the way back to 1184 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,839 where um 1185 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:08,559 Seventh turns to 8th. 1186 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:09,119 Okay. 1187 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,480 >> Pass Kelly and all that. Well, the city 1188 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,079 paved 1189 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,319 a portion of the road, but then they 1190 01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:20,000 left six or seven feet not paved. You 1191 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,079 got curbs or sidewalk on some of it, but 1192 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,040 then you've got a planter box in the s 1193 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,000 in the road, 1194 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,319 >> right? I noticed some of the houses sort 1195 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,640 of like took over, right? 1196 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,480 >> Well, they're right almost in the street 1197 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,559 >> just went ahead just took over that 1198 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:36,880 area. 1199 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,799 >> Happens a lot. kind of like a hostile 1200 01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:41,760 takeover. 1201 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,280 >> But when uh when we get uh asphalt and 1202 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,839 stuff down here, it' be behooved the 1203 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,799 city to go ahead and finish that out 1204 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:52,480 >> connecting up with the when the 1205 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,440 development uh handshake with the 1206 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,440 developments and sort of 1207 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,440 >> I completely agree with you. Um so as we 1208 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,880 come into budget season this coming 1209 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,640 year, that is one of the projects that 1210 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,000 we're going to be working closely with 1211 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,440 the budget committee on. There are 1212 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,480 several things that I'd like to 1213 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,400 accomplish in this next year that are 1214 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,920 reasonable and feasible given some of 1215 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,280 the other development that we see going 1216 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,200 on. It makes a lot of sense. There are 1217 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,160 other things that we're going to 1218 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,599 structure into a capital improvement 1219 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,200 plan and put on a five or 10 year 1220 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,599 schedule. Um the low hanging fruit and 1221 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,200 the things that make sense now are the 1222 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,799 ones that I want to bring off the shelf 1223 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,680 dust off. That is absolutely 1224 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,520 >> good. 1225 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,960 Comprehensive plan 1226 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,680 >> comprehensive. So 1227 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,640 >> I did. Okay. 1228 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,119 >> Yes. One was one was taken by the 1229 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,680 comprehensive plan. Are we going to 1230 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,839 update that soon or 1231 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:43,119 >> as you need to 1232 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,359 >> as you know there was a comprehensive 1233 01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,119 planning process that was completed in 1234 01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:51,359 2019 that was largely led by um a rare 1235 01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,200 participant and some folks from the 1236 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,920 state that participated intermittently. 1237 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,920 There wasn't 1238 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,720 an individual from beginning to end that 1239 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,640 sewed all of the pieces together and 1240 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,559 included things like our parks master 1241 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,200 plan, our overlays, thinking about 1242 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,960 economic development. Those things 1243 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,000 didn't necessarily happen and it's okay. 1244 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,760 But the real challenge here is that they 1245 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,520 never finalized the plan and submitted 1246 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,520 it to the state for acknowledgement. 1247 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,359 there's a post acknowledgement plan 1248 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,520 amendment requiring and so they 1249 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,520 initiated it and it was finalized it 1250 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,640 which means that our current 1251 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,000 comprehensive plan uh it isn't valid if 1252 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,079 somebody if we were to pass anything 1253 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,760 based on our current comprehensive plan 1254 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,359 it could be appealed which is the reason 1255 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,680 I had to come before you during our last 1256 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,640 session uh with the GR zone that should 1257 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,480 have been a GRB for that development 1258 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,839 it's all coming back to those same 1259 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:44,160 things my view is rather than just 1260 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,319 formalizing the existing 2019 1261 01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:48,799 comprehensive I'd very much prefer to 1262 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,160 include this as a component of the 1263 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,760 envisional process that I've started 1264 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,599 with council and you all I'd like to see 1265 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,119 moving forward throughout the rest of 1266 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,880 this year. We'll have town halls this 1267 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,559 year. We also have a lot of other things 1268 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,640 going on like the 1135 project which 1269 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,319 ties into some multimodal access 1270 01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:03,920 projects that we have things like 1271 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,079 getting a bridge going across there that 1272 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,319 could absolutely change the nature and 1273 01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,480 intent of our comprehensive plan. My 1274 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,000 view is that we stick with what we have 1275 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,760 at the moment. We are not in such a 1276 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,160 situation where the prior comprehensive 1277 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,160 plan encumbers us in any way. Um if we 1278 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,760 change the comprehensive plan from the 1279 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,599 2019 version probably wouldn't change 1280 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,640 significantly. Probably half or less, 1281 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,520 right? It might just be 20% of that. But 1282 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,280 I do think that rather than just 1283 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,720 formalizing it now and saying we're 1284 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,280 done, we should probably revisit. 1285 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,440 >> Well, I'd like to see a date to complete 1286 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,079 it so we can turn it into the city or 1287 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,200 the state. 1288 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,680 >> That's fair. Yeah, we we need to drop 1289 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,720 the completion date. We we're we've 1290 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,079 kicked the cans down the road way too 1291 01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,319 long. So this time 1292 01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:52,480 >> June, July, August, whatever, that's 1293 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,000 what we're going to have done. 1294 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,319 >> I want to temper your expectations just 1295 01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:59,760 like um so we're talking about a pretty 1296 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,680 significant process. We are uh there's 1297 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,520 some news that I I I encourage you all 1298 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,359 to attend attend the work session coming 1299 01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,359 up because there are some big things 1300 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:11,119 coming up in the next several weeks that 1301 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,839 we'll discuss at that meeting which 1302 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:16,160 dovetail right into this but I think 1303 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,640 that if you had the comprehensive plan 1304 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,280 completed at the end of the year the 1305 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,599 final quarter of this year that is a 1306 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,720 reasonable timeline and if we beat that 1307 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,280 then it's possible 1308 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,680 but I I would I would encourage you to 1309 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,799 target that date. I'm very open to your 1310 01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,760 recommendations um and enforce this a 1311 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,359 little before. 1312 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:41,680 >> Maybe in our next work session we could 1313 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,720 take a look at what it's going to 1314 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,760 require to get that done. 1315 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,680 >> Absolutely. I think it might be good to 1316 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,680 scope out what the work entails because 1317 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,760 we did that a little bit but there the 1318 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,000 last comprehension plans took 12 months. 1319 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,720 >> Yeah. more than that. It took as long as 1320 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,640 the the rare students here they worked 1321 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,359 on that nontop 1322 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:04,160 break it all down and assign it's not 1323 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,680 just the bang doing it so it's a fairly 1324 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,440 comprehensive process. There are pieces 1325 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,119 in that comp plan that if you just read 1326 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:12,559 through it's like this read it's great 1327 01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,079 this makes a lot of sense but if you 1328 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,680 look at it from a practitioner or 1329 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,440 subject matter expert you start to 1330 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,359 realize that there's some pieces that 1331 01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,400 were more theoretical and academic maybe 1332 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,720 than they were practical and I'd like to 1333 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,319 present those to the commission for an 1334 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:28,880 opportunity to fix them. 1335 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,079 >> Were the overlays finalized? 1336 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:33,920 >> No. None of none of anything in the 1337 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,760 comprehensive plan was finalized. This 1338 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,470 is separate plan. 1339 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,839 » What you mean the repres? Yeah. There 1340 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:44,480 were two of them, 1341 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:44,960 >> right? 1342 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,720 >> No. So, I can see on the state's 1343 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,799 website, and I could actually pull that 1344 01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:50,319 up for you guys if you wanted to. It was 1345 01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:52,240 not tonight at the word session. Um, 1346 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,599 there is a list of all the things that 1347 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,280 we initiated and never finalized. 1348 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,079 There's like 10 items going back to 1349 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,160 2017. 1350 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,480 And those are all things that the 1351 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,400 comprehensive plan is one of them that 1352 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,920 needs to be submitted so that the state 1353 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,079 finalizes 1354 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:09,520 like a weekly. 1355 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,280 >> So we dropped the ball or did the state 1356 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,079 dropped the ball? 1357 01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,640 >> The city dropped the ball. And I think 1358 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,000 there's just a lot of folks that didn't 1359 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,160 know what to do. 1360 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,640 >> None of these are really at final 1361 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,920 status. So internally, we just never got 1362 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,359 to a point we're ready to submit to the 1363 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:26,880 state. It's not like we have a full 1364 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,200 package that is proofed and ready to go 1365 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,960 and that just needed to get put on the 1366 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,880 finish line. We're a good distance. 1367 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,400 >> We didn't drop the ball. We didn't even 1368 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,000 make the ball. We didn't even grab the 1369 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,680 ball. 1370 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,079 >> We did. 1371 01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:44,150 >> We we we made it. We were under 1372 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,520 that line. I know enough about football 1373 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,799 to know the long skinny one, but I know 1374 01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:48,640 there's like two lines before the goal 1375 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520 and that's kind of where we are. 1376 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,599 >> We we did a lot of the work. just a 1377 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,400 final step violating those with the 1378 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,200 state what's lacking. What What do you 1379 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,079 think about even just making like 1380 01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:04,640 assigning like a like a strike force 1381 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,760 test or something to this particular 1382 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,520 thing and just they meet every week with 1383 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,520 the status and just keep 1384 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,880 >> you know what I mean like just keep 1385 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,760 hammering it. 1386 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,520 >> So I really want to encourage you to 1387 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:18,960 come to the next work session. 1388 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,119 >> Okay. Um, and there is also going to 1389 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,480 I've been working a lot in the 1390 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,319 background over the last several months 1391 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:25,920 getting all these pieces put together, 1392 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,599 working with our state partners, 1393 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:29,200 coordinating people that typically don't 1394 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,119 coordinate. Um, getting them all into 1395 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:32,400 the same room and into the same head 1396 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,799 space. Uh, at the work session, we'll be 1397 01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:36,400 discussing some of the events coming 1398 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,760 forward which are going to really take 1399 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,200 this stuff into 1400 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,160 >> both. 1401 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,760 >> Uh, yes, that's right. One meeting from 1402 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,599 today. The agenda actually is up. So um 1403 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,520 if not I I can absolutely tell you now 1404 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,079 what's on the agenda is a discussion um 1405 01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,000 with the regional solution team that's a 1406 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,799 kickoff that includes all of the uh lead 1407 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:58,640 representatives for our region from 1408 01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:59,920 department of land conservation and 1409 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,799 development um from economic development 1410 01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:05,280 so business of Oregon it includes DEEQ 1411 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,640 it's going to include folks that work 1412 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,119 with OA uh really all of the key 1413 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:11,599 agencies the goal is to talk to them 1414 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,200 about what our challenges are which ones 1415 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,480 are going to require money and which 1416 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,680 ones we're going to ask for letters of 1417 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,359 support when we go to the legislature. 1418 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,199 We're going to be presenting to them the 1419 01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,600 funding tools that we want to go after 1420 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,359 so that they know what our strategy is. 1421 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,120 We'll be listening very intently about 1422 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,480 ways that they believe they can plug 1423 01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:28,239 into that process and support us, 1424 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:29,279 whether it's through technical 1425 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,839 assistance or through funding. Following 1426 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,520 that, I will be working with city 1427 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,239 council to have uh work session, not 1428 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:38,480 work sessions, but town halls every 1429 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:39,679 quarter, which is what we've talked 1430 01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:41,279 about quite a bit up until this point in 1431 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,040 time. And those will help lead us 1432 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,839 towards completing a lot of these uh 1433 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:47,679 things that need to get finalized with 1434 01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:52,159 date certain attached to 1435 01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:54,719 you mentioned February 12th. Is it the 1436 01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:56,319 12th or 17th that week? 1437 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:57,679 >> January. 1438 01:08:57,679 --> 01:08:59,279 >> Oh, January of next week. 1439 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,799 >> Sorry. So, thanks. 1440 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,839 >> Oh, John, you're your we'll talk about 1441 01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,880 this next morning. No, I mean there's 1442 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,719 Well, I mean the dates, but there is 1443 01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:11,279 something on the 12th. That's another 1444 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,279 work session. 1445 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:13,759 >> We're doing 1446 01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,279 >> Yeah, work session on the 12th, city 1447 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:16,480 council meeting on the 19th. 1448 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,600 >> Okay, got 1449 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,040 >> session for planning commission. 1450 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,279 >> No, uh planning commission work session. 1451 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,199 I bring this up because what I don't 1452 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:26,480 want to do is steal the funders from 1453 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:27,839 city council when they get to hear about 1454 01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:29,199 all the cool stuff that you guys are 1455 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:32,239 digging into right now. Um you'll you'll 1456 01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:33,520 hear about all this when I have the 1457 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,880 opportunity to talk to city council and 1458 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,319 get their guidance. 1459 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,920 >> So there's a work session for city 1460 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,759 council next Monday to which we are 1461 01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:40,239 invited. 1462 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:41,759 >> Yeah, everybody's always invited. Yes, 1463 01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:43,199 absolutely. 1464 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:43,920 >> It's not on my 1465 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,920 >> You just can't sit over here. 1466 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:51,349 >> Yeah. Used to come. 1467 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:52,719 » Are you have a cushion chair? 1468 01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:53,839 >> There you go. 1469 01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:54,640 >> That was your question. 1470 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,960 >> I have fourth one now. Oh, the the road 1471 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,760 up to the water tank, 1472 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,840 our million gallon water tank is 1473 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,880 starting to dilapidate, fall apart, get 1474 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,080 washed out. And I would suggest the city 1475 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,239 be uh talking to the county and 1476 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,400 maintenance and see what can be done 1477 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,560 about it because it's starting to fall 1478 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,520 apart pretty good. 1479 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,560 >> Thanks for letting me know about this, 1480 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,000 Tim. Mhm. 1481 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,600 >> What if they want to pave it and take 1482 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,920 out that little gate and go all shaded 1483 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,000 out 1484 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,400 >> by the fire department? 1485 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,000 >> It's a fire road. 1486 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,600 >> So, I'll be with the county. The county 1487 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,960 is also involved in that development 1488 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,960 review committee. So, I have direct 1489 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,719 communication with those folks at least 1490 01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:43,120 once a month, if not intermittently. 1491 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,000 I'll take care of that. 1492 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,440 >> Well, that's a life's blood in this 1493 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:46,000 city, right? 1494 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,440 >> You're not getting that issu. Thank you. 1495 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,520 >> All right. I'm done. If Tim's done, then 1496 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,600 I think we're done. 1497 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,800 >> All right. Thank you everybody for 1498 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,920 attending. Appreciate you. 1499 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,920 >> Thanks.