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[0:08] » It's called the meeting to order.
>> The Vernon Town Council met on August
[0:14] 5th, 2026
at 7:00 p.m. with the following members
[0:18] present: Don Gerould, Chad Heffernan,
Tim Berry, and Rich Stevenson. The
[0:23] minutes of the July 1st meeting were
read. Rich made a motion to approve,
[0:27] seconded by Chad, and passed.
Motion made by Tim to approve the around
[0:33] 22,000
flood reduction program for all three
[0:37] ponds. That was seconded by Chad and
passed.
[0:40] Appraisals to be set up for properties
on East and West Barnhart for potential
[0:45] selling.
Pavilion gutters were updated. Avis to
[0:49] replace the lights and/or switches, and
planning on painting the pavilion roof.
[0:55] And it also suggested the windows be
replaced. With nothing further
[0:59] discussed, Tim made a motion to adjourn,
seconded by Rich, and passed.
[1:04] » Any additions or corrections?
Being none, we need a motion to
[1:10] approve the minutes as read. Do I hear a
motion?
[1:12] » I'll second.
>> I have a motion and a second. All those
[1:15] in favor signify by saying aye.
>> Aye.
[1:18] » Aye.
>> All vote.
[1:21] Opposed likewise.
They're passed.
[1:30] Lori.
>> Um,
[1:32] oh wait, go ahead.
>> Oops.
[1:35] So, I'm just here if there's any
questions regarding the fire district.
[1:40] Um,
I can help answer any questions.
[1:44] It's my only purpose in life right now.
[1:51] » No, I think everything's moving along.
So,
[1:55] you know.
>> I guess I do want to just check and sure
[1:57] that I sent out the ordinance
to everybody
[2:01] just for review. I'm not here today to
collect that. I just wanted to make sure
[2:04] everyone
got it.
[2:07] I think the email's correct, so
I know Lebanon and Avon and Minerva got
[2:11] got those ordinances to be reviewed.
>> Okay.
[2:17] All right, got it. I'll get it to you.
[2:26] » Sam?
>> No, I'm just here.
[2:30] » You got anything, Sam?
>> I'm just here for the meeting.
[2:34] » Okay.
I'll bring it up. You want me to kiss
[2:39] up?
>> Oh, sorry.
[2:41] Mike Clendenen from Boone County
Council, first district. I think it's
[2:44] important to engage
the community you hope to represent, so
[2:47] here I am.
Can't be here in person, I'll try to
[2:50] follow up online, so
hopefully you'll be seeing a lot more of
[2:53] me. We'll see.
>> Thank you.
[2:57] Great.
[2:59] » Mike Keen.
>> Uh
[3:02] So, the fire department
had talked we were going to win the uh
[3:09] district takes over.
We're still going to have probably, what
[3:14] do you say, Sam? 15, 16 probably guys
on?
[3:17] » Yeah.
>> And we were going to move to the
[3:19] upstairs of
the station now.
[3:23] And that's kind of
that's cluster, I mean, one, it's the
[3:28] upstairs. Two, it's
small, and we just got word that
[3:34] we're supposed to get, we'll see how as
long as they get everybody hired that
[3:38] they
are planning to, we'll have four
[3:40] full-time guys
at the station come January 1st.
[3:45] Which means we're running out of real
estate down there.
[3:50] And was wondering if there was a
possibility of taking over the EMS
[3:55] building being that with the two bays
there's room for training.
[4:01] There's
room for in the
[4:04] uh
for a meeting room.
[4:07] Uh the Lions Club could still use it for
their They do their drive-thru dinners
[4:12] at the station now.
And
[4:16] they won't be able to once the district
takes over for that. So, give them
[4:20] somewhere to be.
And
[4:24] any other I mean
>> The Red Cross The Red Cross blood
[4:26] drives.
>> They won't be able to do that down
[4:29] there.
[4:32] Because it's for us
cuz originally we was going to try to
[4:38] get everything set up over there for us.
But with them having trying to find
[4:43] enough room for four ti- four people
I just don't see
[4:50] going to be any room.
Where the EMS building's already set up
[4:54] for training. I got the
big screen. I don't know if any of you
[4:58] guys has been in there, but the one end
they got the big screen and
[5:03] for all your training and everything.
And
[5:08] I talked to Sam. He could tell you a
little bit more, but
[5:12] he's qualified to do CPR training.
And once we
[5:19] get that
If we get that building
[5:22] he can
train well teachers down here to the
[5:27] school or just the general public that
would like CPR training.
[5:33] Where
over here there
[5:36] we're pretty much I think it's going to
be women to
[5:39] maybe not the first year, but I
pretty much guarantee
[5:44] » I I see I don't see us putting money
into that
[5:48] when I don't know that it's going to
last that long.
[5:54] » They hit hit hit me up about it the
other day and I talked to Renee. I said,
[5:57] "Hey, what are your thoughts? Have they
talked to you?"
[6:00] She seemed pretty open to it that they
share the building, but I told
[6:04] somebody along the line, I said, "I
don't know what if there's any concrete
[6:08] plans on
us staying here
[6:11] cuz we had talked about moving down
there, but are we staying here?"
[6:15] I said that was the big
>> Good question.
[6:20] » Okay.
>> No, I don't we I don't really know
[6:22] because
I guess
[6:25] our decision will have to be made off of
whatever the district's decision is
[6:31] as to how they want to approach it.
Whether they want to take this over.
[6:35] » Right.
[6:38] » Well, now it's up to you guys. The
district ain't got anything in this
[6:42] building.
They've got it in that building.
[6:46] But this building is
>> As far as I know, all their plans are
[6:52] in that
in that footprint, so
[6:56] just put it all in that footprint.
Yeah.
[7:00] As I said, does Brian know any more than
we do?
[7:02] » Yeah, can I add a little So, I will say
the district has not had any interest in
[7:07] this building.
Uh their focus is is truly on the fire
[7:11] department and they are curious what
your plans are for the EMS building. If
[7:16] there's a way
maybe to share part of that. Um when I
[7:20] say share, talking about supply storage.
Um
[7:25] I mean, the options are
possible, but so I think they'll
[7:28] probably further discussions or
questions about what plans are for the
[7:31] EMS building. But right now, all the
focus is is on the fire and and making
[7:35] sure that's remodeled and suitable for
living conditions.
[7:40] » Okay. Well, from my end
who's going to pay the insurance and and
[7:45] the upkeep on the building down there?
>> Well, we're going to try to figure
[7:49] something out.
[7:55] » I mean
[7:59] from my side, that's one of the things
I'd be concerned about.
[8:06] You know, if it's temporary, that's one
thing. If it's
[8:11] if it's not, that's the reason we I
would we we probably need to know what
[8:16] their
what their plan's going to be.
[8:20] I mean, if it's all going to be over
there, okay.
[8:30] » When you're talking about if the
district's
[8:34] going to be partially down here
on the
[8:38] the paying everything or just the
volunteers theirself down here?
[8:44] » You mean down there?
>> Yeah.
[8:48] » Well, surely they're going to pay for
the volunteers.
[8:53] » I have no idea. If the district has
anything
[8:57] to do with the Inverness building,
that'll fall under the district
[9:00] insurance, utilities, all that.
[9:04] » Okay. Well, no, that's that's
[9:09] See, that's probably a workable
situation.
[9:14] And it would be better if it was
temporary rather than permanent.
[9:24] » Just curious, so if you don't use that
building
[9:28] for the volunteers and the training and
the district doesn't do anything with
[9:35] that building, what would you do with
that building? I mean, wouldn't it sit
[9:40] empty anyway? Wouldn't you still have to
pay the insurance
[9:44] » I'd move town stuff into it.
>> Okay.
[9:47] » Yeah.
Yeah.
[9:50] And the whole premise of this thing is
everything's supposed to be in one
[9:54] location.
[9:58] » Well, it sounds good.
But how you going to
[10:02] » Well, our
>> bring all the volunteers to the fire
[10:05] volunteers. The first four people here
having living quarters.
[10:10] Building's only so big unless they're
adding on to
[10:14] a bunch.
[10:17] » So the the big thing, I guess, that I
guess we're kind of confused about is
[10:21] not like there's going to be trucks
sitting down there or anything. This is
[10:24] more for the community side of the fire
department as well as training.
[10:29] So, if we could, you know, have that
building, we could use the bay portion
[10:34] of it where the ambulances park as an
indoor training ground for physical
[10:39] training stuff. You know, we could put
props in there, be out of the weather,
[10:42] stuff like that. The back side is a
fully equipped training room that the
[10:47] EMS has spent a lot of money on over the
years to build up to be a great training
[10:52] room.
And then down here at the fire
[10:53] department, they're turning our training
room into the living quarters.
[10:58] Uh
then also, like Rick mentioned, the
[11:01] Lions Club does their pull-through
dinners consistently at this fire
[11:05] station. That won't be a thing anymore.
All the community events, like the
[11:09] community side of the fire station is
done. Now that is a fire station that
[11:13] makes runs.
That's pretty much it. It houses
[11:16] firefighters and makes runs.
So all the extracurricular events that
[11:21] go on at the fire station will likely
not be a thing anymore.
[11:26] So, when Rick's saying the Red Cross
stuff, they currently do that at DMS.
[11:33] Community CPR AED classes can be held
there.
[11:37] And then like we said, the trainings
that require you to
[11:40] sit through PowerPoints and do that kind
of stuff could be held down there as
[11:43] well. That would be more of like the
quote-unquote community center side of
[11:49] the fire department that we've been
doing for years.
[11:53] » Right. No, I I get it. I just
[12:00] I guess my concern is what our cost on
it is.
[12:08] I mean, if it's going to be covered
by the district,
[12:14] I don't have a problem with that as long
as as long as they don't work at all
[12:18] while
>> I guess right now I don't see a
[12:20] difference. There won't be any more cost
to it. Like what it is right at this
[12:24] moment, I guess.
>> would be more cost to it because if I'm
[12:27] going to have to pay insurance on it,
I'm already paying for fire protection
[12:32] through my taxes. That's what I'm
saying.
[12:42] » I guess
you're paying insurance on it right now,
[12:46] right?
>> [clears throat]
[12:47] » Yeah.
And if you keep it without us going in
[12:50] there, you'd still be paying taxes.
>> I'll still pay insurance on it, but I'll
[12:55] use it.
>> Got you.
[12:56] » Oh,
okay. I was I was hearing what he was
[12:59] saying here.
>> What were you saying? They weren't
[13:01] » Yeah. [clears throat]
[13:04] » Yeah, for the board, I suppose.
No, that's from the town's side. That's
[13:10] basically we're done there.
That would be my take on it.
[13:16] » Well, I guess
I'm not 100% but I I would say if we're
[13:22] forced to stay into this building with
them with no room and nothing,
[13:28] that we will lose
more volunteers than
[13:34] and you guys are just as well as us
we're going to suffer
[13:39] by it because you're not going to have
the manpower.
[13:42] » And that was my concern about it was
if we don't have a place for them to
[13:47] actually keep the volunteer fire
department going, I'm afraid we're
[13:50] pushing them out.
That was why I was very much entertained
[13:53] by the idea.
[14:04] » No, what Brian says it is is
on the insurance
[14:11] That's
I I would assume we would be fine with
[14:15] it, but
if we're going to pay the insurance and
[14:19] the upkeep and the lights and the heat
we're going to use it.
[14:29] » Yeah, we aren't asking you to do like a
takeover or anything. We're just
[14:31] thinking if there's a way we can make it
it's not going to be the rural volunteer
[14:35] fire department, it's going to be a
community building.
[14:38] And our thought is that everybody that
has, you know, like this building's used
[14:43] by the Lions Club, it's used by the
Chamber of Commerce, it would be a
[14:46] similar style thing unless you guys had
a better plan for it.
[14:51] Cuz we don't want to see another
building sit vacant in town and
[14:54] that building's currently used for stuff
and this building's currently used for
[14:57] stuff that won't be able to be anymore.
So, if we could kind of
[15:01] do something like that, that'd be nice
to keep the community side of things
[15:05] going.
[15:08] » And so, Brian, you said that they would
just be maybe wanting to use that for
[15:12] storage, part of that for storage is
possible.
[15:16] » There's all the options are open.
There's just
[15:18] » No real plan for it right now,
so.
[15:21] » Further,
>> yeah, but right now it's
[15:24] the big question is, we know that the
fire station
[15:27] um will be part of the district. The
town will
[15:30] lease it or
bill of sale whatever has to work.
[15:34] Uh EMS just waiting on confirmation that
that's also what the town wants to do is
[15:38] to lease that or or have hand that
transfer it over to the district with
[15:44] When I say transfer it over and lease
it, it's always a stipulation of if it's
[15:47] never been It's not going to be used for
the district for the fire station or
[15:51] training facility or whatever they
reverse it back to the town.
[15:55] Um
which is what Pueblo is going to be
[15:57] doing. So,
if if the EMS building is something the
[16:00] town also wants to transfer to the
district, then
[16:04] then that can happen. I think that there
should be some collaboration though
[16:07] between the district and what the town
wants it to be used for. So, if the fire
[16:10] department wants to use it for
for things, I think that needs to be
[16:13] part of the conversation
uh before we turn anything over.
[16:17] » Right. I agree with
>> All right.
[16:19] » Yeah.
>> Is there any truth to the rumors we're
[16:21] hearing that there might be four?
>> Yeah.
[16:24] » People have done that the first time.
>> The plan is four. Uh it is contingent
[16:28] upon getting 15 to 20 civilian
paramedics.
[16:31] But, the battalion chief will be
stationed out here.
[16:35] Um
they're going to put a battalion chief
[16:37] in each corner of the county and one in
the center or
[16:40] east side.
Um
[16:43] and then with the three firefighter
medics out here, that will give you your
[16:48] four.
[16:54] Pueblo has three assigned to it.
When I say three, it's for 24 hours, you
[16:59] need three.
>> Yeah.
[17:06] » And when it comes to the civilian
paramedics, uh they
[17:09] we're looking at the the areas that need
the paramedics the most, which is out
[17:14] here.
And so, that's where those those
[17:17] positions be filled first
uh before they spread the paramedics out
[17:21] to other
other other areas of the county.
[17:31] » Cuz it would be To me, it would be nice
if
[17:34] some of the
the uppers would come out and maybe sit
[17:38] and talk with the fire or even the town
or whatever.
[17:43] Cuz we had the meeting over here
and since then
[17:48] I haven't heard nothing.
And one of the main comments was is
[17:53] we're going to have to get the warrior
in on this
[17:56] getting these trucks figured out, so we
and that's been
[18:02] what? A month, 6 weeks ago?
>> 6 weeks.
[18:06] » And we haven't heard one thing about
signing for the use of the trucks or
[18:13] or anything.
>> So, the there's more plan meetings for
[18:18] out here. The first meeting we had was
more of
[18:22] the goal was to receive the information
from the volunteer side of what they
[18:25] want the structure to look like and what
what means most to to the volunteers.
[18:30] And since then it it's not a it's not
easy decision to make right away.
[18:34] Um
if it was, the district would just say,
[18:37] "You're doing this and this is how we're
doing it." So, what they've done is
[18:39] taken a lot of feedback and there was
good feedback from out here
[18:43] uh into consideration to look at the
legal side of stuff, to see what
[18:46] precedence been set out there, see what
insurance says we can and can't do. And
[18:50] so, all that stuff's been happening
behind the scenes and I think we're at a
[18:53] very good spot where we can come out and
lay out a preliminary structure of what
[18:58] the volunteer side looks like along with
career and see how well that's
[19:03] is received and if we need to make any
tweaks, we would
[19:06] go back and make some more tweaks on
that.
[19:08] Uh regarding the buildings and the
apparatus, um
[19:12] there is uh the district just asked
yesterday to get a list
[19:18] of
the buildings, the apparatus and
[19:20] equipment
of what the the department, the town
[19:24] would like to transfer over to the
district and then get that list put
[19:29] together and then
between the the attorneys of the
[19:32] district and then also the attorneys of
the town and the fire department, all
[19:36] the entities that own this equipment can
work together to get that agreement in
[19:40] place of what that transfer looks like.
Right now we just need the first list to
[19:45] start.
[19:48] » Transfer meaning no consideration? Is
that what everybody's doing?
[19:52] » Uh
I have actually a phone call on Friday
[19:54] morning with the attorneys to to ask
because they're they're they're saying
[19:57] for the real estate, typically it's a
bill of sale with the the exception in
[20:01] there of
>> Right, a reversion.
[20:03] » Yep. Yep. Um the equipment and all that
is more of of just the
[20:08] the transfer of ownership
whatever they call that.
[20:12] Uh and then we can set that price for
whatever it is. I think most everyone's
[20:15] going with a dollar.
Um I did have questions about leasing
[20:19] because a lot of the other departments
do a lease program.
[20:22] Uh all the townships, I'm sorry, have a
lease program with with the districts
[20:27] and that's what they want to talk to me
about on Friday morning to see what that
[20:29] lease would look like.
>> So when it comes to the real estate
[20:35] do they lease or is the lease like $1?
Is that what it is?
[20:38] » $1, yeah.
>> But do then does the district then pay
[20:42] for the upkeep and so they would take
care of the HVAC and all of the
[20:46] » Yes, everything. The insurance,
for example, PO, I think they sold
[20:51] theirs, but their sale to Southwest Fire
District was
[20:56] contingent upon that station is no
longer an operating fire station that it
[20:59] would revert back to the township before
the price that they paid for, which was
[21:03] a dollar.
>> Got it.
[21:14] » No, I don't think that it would probably
be a problem to do that down there. I
[21:19] just
I'm just looking at it from the
[21:22] from the side that
[21:26] if we're raising their taxes
to take care of certain things
[21:34] » [clears throat]
>> we shouldn't have to spend any more
[21:37] money. That's what my point is.
>> But I guess if I look at it the way
[21:41] you're looking at it
and if it's your point of view
[21:45] » that's
that's different.
[21:48] » But if I look at it the true point of
view, I'm paying taxes, why in the hell
[21:52] should we even volunteer then?
Cuz we're paying
[21:57] we're paying just as much as everybody
else and we're still volunteering.
[22:02] So, by looking at the way you're
thinking
[22:06] is
yeah, we
[22:09] » The way I'm thinking is I'm looking out
for the taxpayer.
[22:13] » Yeah.
And so am I and you got to do with
[22:17] whatever you can do
on the tax side of it far as making
[22:22] things but
I'm just thinking the same thing is
[22:28] we're paying the same amount of taxes
everybody else but yet we're still
[22:32] volunteers and we're getting pretty much
nothing for it.
[22:40] But yeah, we can go on.
I think we've
[22:46] beat this one enough that
No, I don't know until we can find out
[22:49] from the administration.
>> we
[22:51] we see what
you know, is this a year thing or is it
[22:55] a five-year thing?
>> I mean, I guess for us
[22:59] we were looking at it like separate from
the district, I guess.
[23:04] » Why would that Why would we do that?
>> You mean the building? This building?
[23:10] » It it would be
I mean, cuz the volunteers and the paid
[23:16] guys are going to be treated different.
I I I mean, it's given.
[23:20] » I mean, we're still we're going to be
separate entities at the end.
[23:22] » Right.
But
[23:29] » So, if Wait.
So, is it in the plan for us to lease
[23:33] that building also for a dollar?
The fire and the EMS building? Is that
[23:39] what the intention was originally?
>> No.
[23:43] It was all going to be under one
building.
[23:45] » just that building.
>> Yeah. [snorts]
[23:50] » But Brian, you said that they've been
[clears throat] asking about this
[23:53] building and the fire and the EMS
building.
[23:56] » Not really asking. It's Like I said, the
focus has been on making sure this is up
[24:00] and running cuz they'd like to get the
ambulance down here, so it's all in one
[24:03] building. Make sure that's livable.
They're
[24:07] I guess the big question mark is is that
building going to be also turned over to
[24:11] the district to be able to use. And if
so, like I said [clears throat] earlier,
[24:15] if it is, I would make it
depending on what you want to use it
[24:18] for, contingent upon they can use it,
but also the town wants to use it for
[24:23] whatever. And I I think I think the
>> the things that Brian was just
[24:26] mentioning, which is
seems reasonable to me.
[24:40] » For example, the Holden fire,
uh we're we're looking at building a new
[24:44] This is kind of small scale, but putting
a larger
[24:48] uh shed in the back because we have a
ton of chairs and tables that are just
[24:52] all over the place in the back room.
Need to get those moved out. And they're
[24:56] Holden fire's disabled and chairs. And
so, we're building this larger shed, and
[25:01] half of it's going to be where the mower
and all that stuff's going to be where
[25:04] the the members that's there at the
station will be able to use the mower to
[25:07] grass, but the back part's going to be
where all the tables and chairs and
[25:10] stuff that's
holding fires that
[25:13] we want to continue using that the
district doesn't really have any
[25:16] interest in.
Um
[25:18] we're going to store that stuff in in
the back there. So, it'll be a building
[25:22] the structure will be covered under the
insurance of the district.
[25:25] Um but, we are going to be using part of
it for holding fires.
[25:33] » Well, now we'll we'll figure it out.
Where I was at was saying
[25:37] You're part of the Holden Fire
Department, right?
[25:40] What are your guys' plans for your
volunteers
[25:44] coordinating with the career?
I mean, are you guys still training in
[25:49] that building?
>> Yeah. Yes. Um
[25:53] I know I I hear
I hear a lot
[25:58] concerns based upon maybe what others
have seen throughout the county over the
[26:01] years when it comes to the volunteers
and the career.
[26:04] I'll just say this, I'm heavily involved
in the district, and I've been really
[26:08] pushing hard about the volunteer
uh presence within this district and
[26:12] creating that structure, and I
um
[26:15] if I didn't feel like it was going to be
possible, I'm I mean, I'm I'm wasting my
[26:20] time here. I I've been spending a lot of
time involved in it, especially with the
[26:25] information that came from from out here
with all the the volunteers and ensuring
[26:28] that that continues to be
uh pushed forward. And there's been some
[26:33] some push back on some things that, you
know, career uh
[26:37] career firefighters are used to doing,
not understanding the volunteer side.
[26:41] I feel like it's my role to try to make
sure that's visible, and I feel really
[26:44] confident where we're at. So, yes, uh
Holden Fire,
[26:48] uh the training training's available out
there. Also, there will be uh
[26:53] a schedule to see where the trainings
are at in the county. So, if there is a
[26:56] training that night at Hopland, they can
go someplace else in the in the county
[27:00] to get trained.
Um
[27:02] making accommodations cuz our trainings
usually Thursday nights. So, we're
[27:05] looking at doing Thursday night and
Saturday morning trainings
[27:08] um
out there at Hopland. Not every single
[27:11] Thursday Saturday, but that's when the
trainings to accommodate the schedules
[27:16] for the volunteers.
Um
[27:19] and uh more more a lot more joint
trainings between Laurel Hill,
[27:25] Hopland, and uh possibly uh oh
um
[27:29] So, those are those are all the
expectations.
[27:34] I don't
I I know some people don't believe this,
[27:37] but I I don't see much changing when it
comes to the volunteer activity early
[27:43] on. Uh because we have three people
getting on a truck, that next truck's
[27:47] got to be staffed by somebody.
Someday when we get to possibly six
[27:51] people at a station,
uh that's a point where I think it it'll
[27:56] it'll uh make it difficult for the
volunteers to make runs because by the
[28:00] time they get to the station, the first
two trucks are going to be out the door,
[28:03] and there might not be anything else to
take. Um
[28:05] and I recognize that, but I that's
probably going to be something that's
[28:08] more 8 to 10 years down the road.
>> I'm going to say that.
[28:13] Good afternoon.
sandwich
[28:15] Good afternoon.
[28:20] » What did he say?
>> So, that that answers your question.
[28:25] » No, as far as if that comes back to the
if if that building down there
[28:33] if the
if that's going to be the town,
[28:38] we'll put equipment in the two bays
that's there.
[28:44] And then the training room could be used
for whatever. It will be no big deal.
[28:56] You agree, Rich?
>> Yes. Yes.
[29:00] You know, I got I said the whole the
whole premise we got forced into this is
[29:05] everything had to be done at one spot.
So, now you know, like it's the EMS
[29:10] building. So, now the fire department
wants to take over the building for
[29:14] training purposes. Why I mean, if you're
training for the fire department, why
[29:18] wouldn't you want to train for the fire
inspection with all your equipment on?
[29:23] It makes no sense to me.
[29:27] » Is it just it Is it just your thought
that it might happen that you'll get
[29:31] pushed out?
>> Yeah.
[29:35] » There's really no good place to train
you guys.
[29:37] » Yeah. And like if we're talking
classroom training here,
[29:41] EMS has a fully equipped classroom. And
I'm not saying we want to take over the
[29:45] whole building. Like I said,
we want it to be a community building
[29:49] for the community to use.
And you can't put drives upstairs cuz
[29:54] people can't walk up the stairs
and stuff like that. We can dump a bunch
[29:59] of money cuz the districts already said
all they're doing is plain flooring and
[30:04] new paint. That is it. They're not
touching anything else up there.
[30:07] And it needs a lot more than that and
they are not touching it.
[30:10] So, if the fire department was to spend
our own money to remodel the upstairs to
[30:16] be
an almost okay similar comparable
[30:21] training room to the EMS, there's
nothing that says when there is six
[30:25] people over here, they don't just tear
it all out or kick us out and make the
[30:30] upstairs a bunk room like they're doing
to the downstairs.
[30:34] Cuz right now there's going to be four
guys over there
[30:37] and there's no way you can have more
than four guys there without ripping out
[30:41] the living quarters and completely
redoing it. It's you can't do it.
[30:47] So.
[30:54] Ideally, it would be fantastic to have
everything in the same spot.
[30:58] And if they could, you know, take out
one of our bays and completely redo all
[31:03] that the correct way like they should be
doing, that would be awesome. But
[31:06] they're not going to do that, so.
[31:10] » Let me let me talk to the EMS before we
do
[31:15] anything.
[31:22] They've got a lot of work in that
building, so.
[31:26] I'm not going to I'm not I don't want to
volunteer something that that
[31:31] will cause more problems.
>> I guess if you're asking I I
[31:36] I'll just give myself
[31:44] » I did.
[31:47] Matt.
[31:50] Yes.
>> I am representing the company I work for
[31:54] tonight. Um we have a past-due invoice
of $8,400
[31:59] for a pole assembly and a hand
that evidently was knocked down and it
[32:04] was due on May 23rd.
>> It's
[32:08] just sent out with the main into that.
>> Okay.
[32:12] » The check was just sent out to
Indianapolis.
[32:15] » Okay.
>> To my home office.
[32:16] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[32:18] » Okay. Good bye.
[32:21] » Has the invoice been paid?
>> No, because this is the the liability
[32:26] one where it was hit by
>> Right, but the liability is not my
[32:30] company's issue and
>> [snorts]
[32:32] » and you're 90 days past due.
My salesman is on $8,400. He can't get
[32:40] his paychecks because they make they get
paid on commission.
[32:44] So, this is a huge issue. I always used
to order parts for the town in good
[32:50] faith. We were always paid. I actually
>> They've always They've always been good
[32:56] with us.
>> And and I all and I quoted this.
[32:59] And I would have no idea it was not
approved when it was ordered.
[33:04] » I don't have an issue with that being
paid. We still can pursue people
[33:07] » No,
just
[33:09] just go ahead and pay it.
Wherever you can pay it out of and then
[33:14] we will get the money back from the
We filed charges on the guy, so
[33:21] Yeah.
[33:25] Okay.
That.
[33:29] » Tim.
>> Well, I did have a question those two
[33:31] lots [clears throat] on Barnhart.
Do I need to order the appraisal or are
[33:35] you doing that?
>> You want me to? I can.
[33:38] » I don't care.
I don't know which lots they are, so if
[33:41] you want me to do it, I just need to
know
[33:43] » the addresses.
>> I can get them.
[33:45] » Okay.
Okay.
[33:47] » This has to be a licensed appraiser,
correct?
[33:50] » Mhm.
>> Okay.
[33:59] » Bobby.
>> Um do we want to do the budget hearing
[34:04] on the 16th or the 21st of this month?
>> I thought we had it scheduled.
[34:09] » I'm just double-checking. Right now,
it's scheduled for the 16th.
[34:12] » Yeah, that's what I have.
>> What time?
[34:14] 7:00.
>> 7:00, same as the
[34:18] » conflict.
[34:21] I mean, it's 6:30, I'm pretty sure. What
do you prefer, 5:00 or 7:00?
[34:25] » What now?
>> We have to do like the open hearing for
[34:29] the budget.
>> Right.
[34:32] On
September what now?
[34:34] » 16th or 23rd?
[34:44] » Probably the 16th.
[34:48] I don't know. What is
>> Does everyone have to be here? Cuz I
[34:51] have a I
>> Got to have a
[34:53] We got to have a quorum.
>> So
[34:55] » I can be
>> You can be here and Rich can take the
[34:58] minutes for that.
[35:02] Unless Mike
makes it gets over it.
[35:06] Starts at 6:00.
>> Can you be here at the 16th, Rich?
[35:09] » Yes.
>> Okay. 7:00?
[35:13] » Yeah.
[35:19] » How about you, Chad? You good? Yeah.
>> He said he's good.
[35:22] » Okay. I'm good. So
[35:27] » What time?
6:00?
[35:29] » Or 7:00?
>> 7:00.
[35:31] » 7:00.
>> Cuz at 6:00 I can make it.
[35:33] » Okay.
[35:44] Allen Street
[35:48] to redo Allen Street
[35:52] and to do it properly.
[35:58] The state will kick in $668,000.
[36:04] But
we have to kick in 368.
[36:15] And 200,000 of that is water line.
There's no reason to
[36:23] repave the street until there's a water
line.
[36:29] Mhm?
200,000.
[36:33] See, the state goes 75/25
[36:38] on drainage and paved.
So, our
[36:44] their their share is 668,000.
[36:48] Ours would have been 168,000.
[36:53] But, with the water line
we got to pay that out of pocket.
[37:00] And I guess my question Bobby and I just
talked about this.
[37:06] There's
[37:09] places we can get the money. Seed is
probably the easiest.
[37:16] But, do we want to
it's going to leave us
[37:20] without a lot of money.
>> Don't use TIF.
[37:24] » Pardon?
>> Don't use TIF.
[37:26] That TIF fund, that's infrastructure.
>> I I think it has to be
[37:32] in a designated TIF area.
>> Does that go
[37:39] Well, how far are we going on Allen
Street?
[37:40] » We're going to the forest.
[37:45] » Can you still have that money?
>> I'm going to bet
[37:49] you have it there, Tim.
>> Maybe.
[38:00] » What Bobby, what are we paying out for
water thing? I know you said we had
[38:04] 172,000,
right? In the water.
[38:08] » Yes. So, just the water utility right
now, it's
[38:12] uh
payable I think out of what it is
[38:15] quarter. And then just any
uh repairs that we have to do, supplies,
[38:21] uh chemicals.
Things like that.
[38:25] » Okay.
We don't have a bond.
[38:29] » We do, actually.
>> Okay. That was what That's what I
[38:33] thought.
>> In July, we just had a bond payment come
[38:37] out.
[38:42] » Do you remember about how much it was?
>> The payment was
[38:46] » It's not like
>> 40
[39:01] I want to say it was like 45,000.
Was the payment that came out. 24,000
[39:06] was principal and 16 something was
interest.
[39:11] » And that'll be due again next year.
Correct. Every 6 months.
[39:16] » I think it's beginning of the month or
beginning of the year, yeah. So
[39:19] » Okay. That's
[39:22] That's We could probably take a little
money out of that account, correct? Or
[39:28] not?
>> I'm sure there is.
[39:31] » Okay.
Okay.
[39:34] And we have how much in storm drainage,
too?
[39:39] You I know you gave me all these
numbers, but they're they're all home on
[39:43] my desk.
[39:57] » So, the storm sewer balance
>> It's 100 something what now?
[40:04] » At the end of July, it was 183,000.
>> 183,000.
[40:12] Okay. Part of that is storm drainage,
too. So
[40:22] if we took some out of water and some
out of storm,
[40:30] probably have to take the rest out of
it. Where's the TIFF district? Yeah, I
[40:34] need to get the map out.
I
[40:37] » [snorts]
>> I
[40:37] » From South Street to Webster.
>> I thought we
[40:41] Well, how far?
>> To Webster, this intersection right
[40:44] here.
They basically do from South Street to
[40:46] the post office.
>> Oh, god.
[40:50] If South Street to the post office, we
could take money out of it because
[40:54] that's part of it.
>> Right.
[41:00] » I just want to make sure that before I
tell them
[41:03] we can do it, that we can do it,
that we've got the money.
[41:17] » At In-Seeded at the end of July, there's
676,000
[41:21] in
[41:24] » In-Seeded, yeah.
[41:28] » And then
[41:31] » If if
I don't really want to drain Seeded
[41:35] because Seeded's easier to
when you have emergencies, it's easier
[41:40] to use that money.
[41:45] But we could take some out of the TIFF.
We could take some out of Seeded and we
[41:51] could take
some out of water and storm drainage.
[41:58] Are you confident that we're okay
money-wise?
[42:03] » I don't like spending that much money,
especially when we're doing another
[42:06] project with the Columbus and Prospect.
So, it makes me nervous to do both.
[42:12] » Okay, well, see that's going
[42:18] I'm trying to remember how much that
was.
[42:40] See, the only downside to not doing it
[42:46] is $668,000
is state money.
[42:56] » How much would we need out of like our
portion of the Columbus and Prospect?
[43:02] » That'll be 75/25.
They're paying 75, we're paying 25.
[43:10] On both of the projects.
>> Yeah.
[43:12] » On both of the projects, that's the way
they both work.
[43:14] » Yeah.
Yeah, that's [snorts]
[43:18] » So, what are we looking at dollar amount
for that one?
[43:25] » I don't remember how much it was now.
[43:30] I know it was going to take it out of
state.
[44:04] I thought our portion was 140,000
I think.
[44:16] 600
500,000
[44:20] I think.
We've got maybe about 500,000.
[44:30] » [snorts]
>> I don't really want to let the 668 go
[44:33] by.
[44:37] » But I'm sure
>> We could probably take 150 or 200 out of
[44:44] out of
TIF.
[44:47] » Okay.
>> That's 971
[44:49] I think.
>> Okay. So, yeah.
[44:53] As long as we can use
I would say a third
[44:59] on in TIF, then I think we should be
good.
[45:02] » Okay.
Okay.
[45:05] Are you guys okay with doing that?
>> Sure.
[45:08] » Good.
Okay.
[45:15] Yeah.
>> I just had
[45:18] a couple of people complaining about the
conditions of
[45:21] the
landscaping done in the
[45:24] park.
So, everything that you do about the
[45:27] dead display I wouldn't worry about
that. It's not
[45:31] » That's the email I forwarded to you.
>> Oh, yeah.
[45:36] So,
>> I just I got a picture of a tree that's
[45:41] leaning and and dead
foliage.
[45:45] » I didn't The only looking briefly
through her email and the photos, we
[45:50] could maybe get her them for the garden.
For the weeds being too high, but I'm
[45:54] not seeing anything
in there. I know she cited the bushes
[45:59] could possibly could on fire, but
there's nothing in that the ordinances
[46:04] that I have found that I can compel
somebody to rip bushes out for fire
[46:08] hazard reasons.
So, I I think that
[46:13] I think you were going to look over it
when we needed to make a face-to-face to
[46:17] brainstorm anything further, but I think
at most we could maybe hit them with a
[46:20] weed violation ticket for the that's
overgrown.
[46:24] But, if they want to let it I know one
of the email concerns is they just
[46:28] put a bunch of stuff on like they just
redid the roof down there and they have
[46:32] a tree growing onto it.
That's a them problem. If they want to
[46:37] spend a bunch money on a roof and then
not prune a tree but prune a tree back
[46:41] to keep their investment safe.
That's That's a them problem, not a not
[46:46] a town problem.
Unless I'm missing something.
[46:49] » That's what town body think you're
thinking.
[46:52] I'm just trying to break it
>> And the same with some of the other
[46:55] overhanging trees like
I know there's I have to get back into
[47:00] the roots of it in regards to
I think certain things there can't
[47:04] overhang so far, but
how do we judge that? Also, how do we
[47:08] judge that?
And some of that is
[47:12] I guess
[47:14] And whatever list that I was going to
make doesn't make any point as a town
[47:17] ordinance, but how do how do we judge
that though of
[47:22] overhanging and what what precedence are
we going to set
[47:26] within judging that
in regards to tree overhanging and
[47:33] But, I think that I know the town will
easiest one will be the garden, but it's
[47:36] again, it's just you can take a street
sweeper and
[47:40] get all that out of there and
you know, unless there's something
[47:46] I'm missing.
[47:50] Cuz she sent me an email, called me, and
sent me the email with a bunch of stuff.
[47:56] I did look over it. That's the only
That's I really jumped out.
[48:01] I can do
>> There wasn't nothing that really jumped
[48:03] out there.
>> I put some more time into it and sift
[48:06] through them more, but
I don't think we have we have tall
[48:11] grass.
I don't know if we have enough
[48:16] to cover nuisances for the trees. I just
I don't know if we would if we
[48:22] if that's broad enough to cover tree or
I get I
[48:26] grass being too tall and how that could
bring in other critters and how that is
[48:30] nuisance
issues.
[48:33] I can dig a little deeper just to make
sure all this is complied.
[48:39] » Joe, no.
Uh we're we do have one tree at Central
[48:44] on Webster.
It's that the town's going to take take
[48:48] down. It's it's
huge.
[48:54] And it's
[48:58] it's hollow.
[49:03] And we got prices from
a couple different places, but I
[49:08] honestly don't remember what they were,
but Joe and Wiggans was by far the
[49:14] cheapest, and Joe has insurance, so
[49:27] I've got some notices that I'm going to
have you deliver hand deliver
[49:33] » [snorts]
>> at 409 Elm and
[49:42] but I've got to update the date because
Tim sent them to me.
[49:48] And
I just printed them today, and you sent
[49:53] them all to me on the 17th.
I realized that.
[49:59] So, I will update the dates.
And then
[50:03] » I'll follow up with you Friday.
>> Um yeah, 202 row just take a look at
[50:08] them ahead of time
and 409.
[50:16] » Motion to adjourn.
>> Vote to adjourn.
[50:19] » No.
>> No, we're good.
[50:21] » Tim makes a motion.
>> I'll second.
[50:24] » Got a motion and a second. All those in
favor signify by saying aye.
[50:28] Aye.
All opposed, same sign.
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