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I pledge allegiance
to the flag

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of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.
>> Lord, please bless all assembled. Help

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us to do the best we can, make the best
decisions we can for the town of Groton,

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Indiana.

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» Roll call. Eddie Menzel, president.
Phil Stahler, vice president.

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» Here.
>> Alex Willis,

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» Here.

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» Andrew
Ellis, secretary.

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Mark Winkle, member.
>> Here, Robert.

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» And Meyer,
>> Here, Robert.

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» Chad Collyer,
>> Here, Robert.

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» Donald Jones, attorney.

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And our new town attorney,
>> He's with me. I'm sitting here.

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» All right, can I pause you guys for a
second? Who did the

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pledge?
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» Oh, no.
He always does the pledge. I just do the

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» prayer.

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» Thank you.
The president always does the

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» First thing on the agenda would be
consideration of the minutes

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of November

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» I'll read them, but I was out here, so
>> Motion that we accept the minutes.

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» I have a motion
by Councilman Boggs to accept the

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minutes.
Second.

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» I'll second.
>> All in favor.

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» Aye.
>> Opposed.

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So be
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» You can still vote on the minutes even
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» Oh, really?
>> at the meeting. I'm just saying that the

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minutes You do not Yeah, you do not have
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» Okay, well, I approve
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I know, I thought I had to abstain.

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» All right. We have a
public hearing

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site plan review 26-01
for GBI a 1.1 million square foot

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distribution center
at 39 and Hollow Hill.

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» I need a motion to open the public.
>> I move that we open the public hearing.

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» All in favor.
>> Aye.

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» Aye.

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» Public hearing is open.
>> We do not have anyone signed up to

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comment.
>> Pardon?

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» No one signed up to comment.
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I don't think anyone's here to either.
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close the public hearing.
>> Second.

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» All in favor.
>> Aye.

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» Aye.

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» All right, do we have any discussions on
the site plan review?

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Do we have any discussions for the site
plan review?

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» I just know that these presented here
are just they're missing a stub for what

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would be the
the

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the road into
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is there in front of you on the board.
Yeah, that one there.

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» Because there's a stub on there.
>> Does that have the stub street?

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» Yeah.
>> Is it the same one that was here last

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month?
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I just grabbed the wrong
little handouts.

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Cuz I had a lot of them now.
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missing the stub there on the very
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So, that's all.

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It's here.
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stub.

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Do you uh
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Well, since we have no more in the
public hearing

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We do have discussions for as the
planning commission.

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» We do want to make a determination on
the curb cut before we move forward from

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here.
>> Can I couldn't hear you.

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» We want to move make a determination on
the curb cut at the access to 39

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before we move forward.
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» That's not
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been
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by NCDOT as of yet.
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somebody's next question.
NCDOT has has NCDOT seen it though?

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Okay.
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construct until the permit their permits
for the road access is approved.

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» Well, if that'll happen
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» stipulation that

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» Phil, can you step up to the mic?
>> Thank you.

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» That helps, Phil. That way everybody
will hear.

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» So, with INDOT, you have to submit a
traffic impact study, which studies

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current traffic, future traffic, and the
engineers make a determination of what

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that intersection looks like based upon
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The drawings are a picture of that
written description of what is required

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for that intersection.
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approved by INDOT.
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» The drawings are in the process of being
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outcome of that traffic impact study.

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And you can't submit your design until
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» I understand.
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it would be we would be asking for
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» Do you have a INDOT permit?

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» And we've also been coordinating with
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we needed to address with him, which is
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It was mainly adjusting our pavement
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that portion is controlled by
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Road connection.
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that approval as well.

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» Because I think Henrico County handles
all the roads that are on the south or

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east side of the county, and that's the
reason they handle Keller Hill.

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» Yeah.
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» I will say I I read it through the
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anybody else did, and
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down that number one
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once a year for traffic.
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» Is that not the latest one?
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first one.
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in June.
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» Right.
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I I did uh provide the June one. I have
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» Could you give me a time of the study
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» I don't I don't see a problem with him
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comment on that, do you?
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» Evening, Eric Wickersham with American
Structure Point.

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» Mhm.
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executive summary. It's
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Um
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Keller Hill Road, there were no
additional improvements recommended for

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this intersection.
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there were no improvements or
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For the original proposed access A,
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they would recommend a minimum 100-ft
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for the left turn lane.
The shifting taper will extend to the

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south end of the structure of a Cracking
Creek, require the relocation and

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replacement of guardrail impacted by the
widening of the roadway, effectively the

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north end of our connection.

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And then for the State Road 39 proposed
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this intersection will be constructed
with proposed development. The truck

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access is expected to accommodate truck
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proposed development. The analysis
indicated that neither a left turn lane

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for westbound traffic nor right turn
lane for eastbound traffic is warranted

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based on this study.

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» But we discussed last time that
I know you said you couldn't guarantee,

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but the truck traffic would be going on
Keller Hill Road.

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» Yes, that is the intention. And the
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that was submitted was
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The first traffic study represented two
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that second curb cut was conceded, we
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And so, the most current one was shared.
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» It's D1C in your packet.
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» And we also know
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be a roundabout anyways.
I think we're going to start that what,

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29?
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» March of
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» Yes. Keller Hill and 39 start next
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» Start next month. Okay.
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roundabout was considered in this
traffic study and there was no impact

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» Thank you.

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» Well, I
I've got something I want to add to the

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stipulations.
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if

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a road
gets built at the intersection of the

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entrance to Homestead,
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that Stubbs Street
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So that traffic can use both the left
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on 39 and they can also enter the
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at the intersection of Homestead.

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» With that, did you want that to be a
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that's probably be a commitment.

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» Are they going to have any say in that
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» Yeah, if it's not their property
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be able to have any say in that or not.
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road, a public road.
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become.
>> And it may eventually become.

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» Yeah, but they can't there's Yeah, but
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not going to be able to have any say
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only control what they have as far as
their property is concerned. I think

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» They got I mean, they got the curve
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» have a say in if that
if it materialize, it would be

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we would need to force them in the
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have them stop there waiting on us to
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» I don't think we can ask them to build
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» And besides we're also going to be I
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the mercy of whoever built that darn
road anyways and as to whether they're

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going to go ahead and accept that stuff
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» He's broke.
It all depends on if you have any say in

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the future.
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We're all at the mercy of whatever
Google does with that road anyway, no

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matter what.
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The only way we can have any say in
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try to pressure the county into making
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» Exactly.
>> that it's connected to the stub.

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» Exactly.
>> Cuz they're the ones that we're going to

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have to have control over that little
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materializes.
That's going to be a county decision.

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So, we're going to have to try to force
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connected.
>> So, I don't think we can go ahead and

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add this as a stipulation.
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wouldn't count on that being a public
road for 5 plus years.

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» Right.
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you know, but I'm still saying
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» Yeah, then we can have them connect to
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stub to the edge of their property.
Yep.

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» Then the I guess the other concern of
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if
the developer was using that road as

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well as Google,
then that makes now three

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intersections.

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» That's a positive from public safety's
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But I That's not something that we can
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until we come to it 5 years from now. I
mean, we're we're look we're trying to

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look at 31 and 32. We can't do anything
with that.

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» None of us may even be here.

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» Exactly.

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» I'm ready to
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» All right.

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» So, do we need one to call to make a
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» I move that we
uh approve

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the site plan as presented with the
stipulations that we've already agreed

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» Uh could you spell out those
stipulations, please?

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» They're going to be documented here in
the document here. You can go ahead and

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add them.
>> The building department the item from

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the floor construction to be done.
>> I still have a motion on

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» We need
>> Do we have a second?

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» I'll second.
>> Accepted.

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» Uh
>> Bob second.

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» Mhm.

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» Yeah, go ahead.
>> Do you mind when that motion, are you

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approving the new curb cut? When you
approve the site plan, are you approving

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the new curb cut as presented in that
site plan?

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» Yes.
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Just want that
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was just
>> I'm just saying it for the for the

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record since you have to approve that.
Absolutely.

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» Yeah, that's why we have this one.
>> That makes sense.

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» I'm for
I'm for

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I'm for
For.

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I'm for strap.
>> Against.

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Possible is four.

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I like I guess.

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Four
and two against.

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» 884
>> Yeah.

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» 34
>> Yeah.

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» Just making a note of this.

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Make sure to add in there that this is
contingent on their

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vacating and replat for next month as
well.

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» Pardon?
>> Make sure to add on the stipulations

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that it's contingent on the vacate and
replat for next month.

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For the next public hearing we have to
do.

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» Yeah, that was already discussed ahead
of time.

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» Just making sure it's on the record.
>> The reason for that is on a site plan

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review you're saying that the site plan
complies with all aspects of the

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ordinance. If you haven't properly
vacated and replatted the property then

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you can't also say that it complies with
the ordinance. So that's why we're

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adding that as a condition.
>> Yeah.

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» And we also have to have a public
hearing on the plat separately from site

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plan review so that way the public can
come and present

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their opinions as to the plat even
though the approval of the plat is a

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ministerial decision meaning you must
approve if it meets the requirements of

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the ordinance.

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» And I think it already does.
>> You can't hear that until next month.

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» Correct.

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If that's the biggest mistake I make all
year, I'm doing pretty good.

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Huh.
Well, you don't have to be town manager

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anymore.
Thanks, Scott.

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» Well, that's four point two gigs, so I
think it's pretty

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» Okay.

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Congratulations again.
See you next month.

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One last go.

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I need to hear more about Italy.

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We're just finishing paperwork.

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» All right, August planning and building
report.

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Eight new single family homes
for DR Horton

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in
Homestead.

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One remodel
for Melissa Lloyd

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125 South Chestnut.

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» She's got a sign permit, too.

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» One pole barn for Andrew Arthur, 192
East Main.

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Melissa Lloyd, also
125 South Chestnut, has a sign permit.

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Greek's Pizza, 160 West Main, has a sign
permit.

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» How many more houses do we have left in
total out there?

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» Roughly 160
to 180.

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» Still we go.
>> Yeah, section 9C

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and 9B combined have 120
>> two houses.

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And then they're still finishing up
section 9A,

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which is 20 to 40 or so left.
They're They're moving fast on them.

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Eddie had what, 33 inspections like this
month, last month?

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» Or no, 2 weeks.
33 inspections in 2 weeks.

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» Amazing.

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» Do we have any old business?

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New business
is our uh

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2027 plan commission schedule.

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» Yeah, that December 13th is a Monday, so
because of the the

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town council meeting getting moved up.
>> Yeah, it's on that day.

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» that the Christmas holidays, yeah.
>> It's uh similar to last year's in

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structure.
Or this year's, I suppose.

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» Okay.
>> I move that it be approved.

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» I'll second.
>> All in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Aye.

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» Opposed?
>> It'll be it.

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» Okay, I do have one more piece of new
business that I want discussion on. Um

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Anna and I have been talking about uh
violation enforcement. Currently, we do

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not have a penalty fee schedule. I was
wondering if it's in the commission's

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best interest that we work together to
create one and if you guys

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want me to spend the time to do that.
>> I thought we Isn't there something in

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the UDO on that already?
>> Regular fee schedule. Our penalty fee is

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25 up to 2500, but it doesn't have any
state like tall grass. What do I charge

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for that?
Right? Is it 50 bucks? Is it 100 bucks?

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How much is too much? How much is too
little? So, if we get that in writing,

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that that's what I would charge for
that, then that makes it easier on me to

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instead of just having to guess between
zero and $2500.

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» Isn't the violation bureau aren't they
supposed to go ahead and

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» Not for penalty fee schedule.
>> Okay. I didn't know whether they would

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» They've never met yet.
>> They haven't. Yeah.

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Put that thing together.
I knew it never met.

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» So, I would list out all the different
kinds of penalties for different kinds

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of violations I get, and then
we could assign a price to that if I

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have to fine somebody. I don't have to,
usually, but it's good to have that

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there.
>> have Have you talked to any other

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municipalities and see what they do?
>> Yeah, like Mooresville, Plainfield.

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» I just get copies of theirs so we can go
ahead and look at that and go from

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» I've looked at other ones. I didn't send
them today. Um Anna had mentioned that

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it's probably not best to just copy
someone else because

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» But it might give us an idea.
>> Yeah, we we can discuss. Right.

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» If if if it would give us a starting
point to you know

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that would help.
>> Yeah, we can find out what they're

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charging for you know tall grass.
>> Yeah.

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» Or what's getting charged for you know
>> I just wanted to get the conversation

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started before I put work in spend our
money on it.

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» Wouldn't it be easier instead of just
coming up with something off the head

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wouldn't it be easier if you go to
like Mooresville find someone that's

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already got something and that could
give you a starting point?

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» Yeah, for sure. I've I've been doing
that. Yeah.

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» Yeah, I mean I think that's
the best way to go would be to start out

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like that instead of well
cuz I don't know all the things that

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could
>> Oh, I know.

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» go wrong or be in violation so
you know

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hard for me to say
what's going to be serious to have a big

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fine and what's a nuisance for a little
fine.

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» Exactly.
That's why I didn't want to leave it up

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to just me to pick up $2,500
to do that because I also don't know

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what's reasonable.

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» Yeah.
>> Just slap on $2,500 on everything?

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Oh, jeez.
>> Yeah, but he's going to be walking. I

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know he's going to be walking by my lawn
looking at it again.

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» I'll get
>> [laughter]

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» I'll get death threats if I pass this.
>> He'll watch Kenny do all that.

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» Okay.
Thanks for the feedback.

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» Anything else to say?

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» I'm ready to be adjourned.
>> I'll prepare for next month.

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» I'm I made a motion to adjourn.

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» I second.
>> You did.

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» All All in favor.
>> Aye.

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» Aye.
>> Opposed.

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» Turn your mics off if the stream's still
on.

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» Say anything.
>> Say anything to her, baby.

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» Donald Jones.

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» Everybody knows that the Great Captain
Old Gregg has finished.

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» Hey!
>> Yeah, yeah.

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» I told him
>> He was saying that he was a bit

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» It's a bridge.
>> I can't follow it.

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» It didn't fall for it.

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» Okay.

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» But