1 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:30,760 We pick up every sound, every statement that is made by our commissioners and our audios and our staff 2 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:41,680 people to get us started this afternoon and just like to introduce our staff people with us 3 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:51,160 this afternoon and to my right in the audience love, this is Natasha D. Miles, our interim 4 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:57,960 land use control administrator, Mr. Sean Rose, the start preservation commission coordinator, 5 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:07,100 and to my left and the audience right, Ms. Nook Toki, Rose, the Administrator Support Specialist, 6 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,960 and then the people handling the cameras and all of that, and the Mike Man Audio Engineer 7 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:17,420 in Joshua Gross, our Audio Visual Technician. 8 00:01:18,020 --> 00:01:22,280 And now the introduction of our other commissioners in the evening, 9 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,080 we will start from my left and the audience right. 10 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Good afternoon, Vincent Hall. 11 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Chelsea Martin, Ella Martin, Kiel King, Camulo de Bauderlie. 12 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,620 Valerie Smettley. 13 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:42,240 Good afternoon to everybody and it's good to see everybody. 14 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:49,600 We haven't been here since June and wonderful to see everybody smiling and seemingly ready 15 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,100 to go and that's what we like. 16 00:01:52,100 --> 00:02:00,280 You have, uh, in your package or email, a copy of the, uh, June, uh, 11, 2020-6B, 17 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:05,560 the chair will not entertain a motion for the adoption of those minutes. 18 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:14,250 I'm a little bit, we, we accept the minutes, um, as submitted. 19 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:16,390 Is there a second? 20 00:02:16,690 --> 00:02:17,210 A second? 21 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:18,690 Any other letters? 22 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:22,630 All those in favor that have been known by the show of hands? 23 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:32,210 motion care. Thank you so very much. As we proceed further our agenda this afternoon, we 24 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:34,250 like to 25 00:02:37,230 --> 00:02:43,490 talk about John and Sean. Thank you for our next education committee meeting. 26 00:02:44,450 --> 00:02:50,090 Sure, thank you, Dr. Bailey. So just really want to open it for the members here. I believe 27 00:02:50,090 --> 00:02:56,970 We have Chelsea, Vincent, and Camilla on the Education Committee, so if you all have 28 00:02:56,970 --> 00:03:03,110 any time in dates, I just want to kind of schedule the next meeting for us to continue 29 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:06,010 our discussions on educational activities. 30 00:03:07,810 --> 00:03:09,190 Anyone have a question or comment? 31 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:10,570 Question? 32 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:12,900 Question? 33 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Go ahead. 34 00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:14,200 Education committee. 35 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:18,360 Sign how soon are you looking to schedule this meeting? 36 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:27,080 I mean, it's up to y'all. I'm available in the next couple of weeks, but yes, it's really 37 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,920 based around y'all schedule. 38 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:36,720 Vincent, what is the week of, maybe the 25th or 26th look, Mike Frill? 39 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,180 Are you thinking about Wednesday the 26th? 40 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,920 Tuesday and Wednesday. 41 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,220 I think for me, the 26th, that Wednesday. 42 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:50,760 Yeah, 26th. 43 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,900 I don't know. 44 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:53,500 Dean has preferred morning or evening? 45 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,180 I have to attend to 40. 46 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,840 After 245. 47 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:03,640 How does 430 on the December 430 on the 26th? 48 00:04:03,740 --> 00:04:03,880 Yes. 49 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:04,380 Okay. 50 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,540 430 on the 26th at the day. 51 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,060 Okay. 52 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,720 Sean, is that okay with you? 53 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Yeah, that'll work for me. 54 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:12,760 And so we can meet in my office. 55 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:16,520 It's 25 Washington on the 440. 56 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:18,820 Thank you very much. 57 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:26,840 presentation is going to be going over revised, ARB to the ZAN and GA, shall we take a lead on that? 58 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Yeah, I will. 59 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:30,820 If you go to the other markets, 60 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,360 let's see how we do this. 61 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,420 I think we have the presentation up here. 62 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:45,560 So some of this, I'll kind of go a little quickly. 63 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,580 Some of you all have already seen this. 64 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:53,800 And thanks to those of you who extended the lunch and lunch and lunch session that we had. 65 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:05,380 And then we had two of them pretty good turnout, some ARB members attended, and then we had some folks on the historic districts as well who were interested. 66 00:05:06,660 --> 00:05:11,920 So what this is all about is revising the set of ARB design guidelines. 67 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:19,060 The current guidelines that we have are very outdated from 1985, and it's been an ongoing project, 68 00:05:19,780 --> 00:05:27,280 even before I started here at the city and some really excited to bring this home and bring it to 69 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:35,620 conclusion. This would be, I think, a very great update for us. The existing guidelines are very thin. 70 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,170 It's just based on, you know, like these little pictographs that they have in there, 71 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:47,320 where is the revised guidelines? Are going to be much more robust, much more detail, 72 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:53,900 And so we'll go through, just have a historic photo here for anyone interested in this 73 00:05:53,900 --> 00:06:02,640 show, a course where really before the fountain was there, so I looked at about 1860s to 1875. 74 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:09,420 It's the time frame on this historic photograph, so I just want to put this up here, people like 75 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:15,140 historic images, and I think this is a really cool picture, so I just want to start that out, 76 00:06:15,140 --> 00:06:21,760 And then we have a map showing all of our existing historic districts on the screen here. 77 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:29,720 So we have Garden District, Oklahoma, Oklahoma out of wild, Cottage Hill, capital heights, 78 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:36,340 and then an island happening as well, and also Old El Vamentel, a bunch of buildings there. 79 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:39,400 So just a current historic district map. 80 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:48,140 And then moving forward, this is a slide that I have on, basically describing what is 81 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:52,060 historic character and how do you identify it? 82 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:58,780 And so I like to use these two examples on the left, you have two of the Bible style 83 00:06:58,780 --> 00:07:05,340 house, which if you look on the second floor there, has this distinctive, what's called 84 00:07:05,340 --> 00:07:11,900 half-tembring pattern on the upper half of the building, and that decorative half-tembring 85 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:18,220 was meant to mimic medieval infill timber framing a lot of our, and that's medieval 86 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:24,180 year. So that's because a lot of our architectural influences in America came from year. 87 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,260 So that's kind of, you know, just a distinctive thing that you can see. 88 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:40,020 And when you see this pattern, almost always, it is a two-to-reviable style building, so you can identify the style of the building based on that particular feature. 89 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,440 And then on the right side is a Greek room-vival style building. 90 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:55,660 And this image kind of doesn't show it very well, but you can see the full high columns there, there, and that is a very distinctive feature in Greek room-vival, 91 00:07:55,660 --> 00:08:06,380 which also goes into the neoclassical revival, which is a different style, but also uses a lot of these, you know, sort of ancient Roman motifs. 92 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:18,020 So the character, according to the National Park Service, character refers to all those visual aspects and physical features that comprise the appearance of every historic building. 93 00:08:18,020 --> 00:08:22,900 And so character defining elements can include the overall shape of the building. 94 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:28,000 It's materials, as I was mentioning, you know, the half-tempered wood. 95 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:32,860 And then the other part of the upper store will be stuck on most often. 96 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:35,120 So those are material elements. 97 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:42,020 And then you have craftsman ships, how a building was built, decorative details. 98 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:47,500 and then you also have interior spaces which we don't really deal with as much 99 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:53,000 the interior but sometimes interior spaces do come up as caretaker finding features 100 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,640 and then also you have the site and the environment. 101 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,680 So those are all aspects that define the character of historic buildings 102 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:09,020 and we'll go forward here so this slide just showing a local example of something that would be 103 00:09:09,020 --> 00:09:16,000 in alignment with the Secretary of Interior standards of rehabilitation, so a lot of what 104 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,500 we do in his sort of preservation is based on that federal standard, which is the Secretary 105 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:26,240 of Interior, they operate the Department of Interior, operates the National Public Service, 106 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,900 and also the National Register of Historic Places. 107 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:37,760 So this is a local example in South Paris, where in the middle photograph you can see there 108 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:46,460 water was basically cooling the porch and so it was rotting out the the baseboards there 109 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:52,180 and the owner came in with a proposal to continue the balcony feature over to 110 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:59,860 the right so we covered this porch area and provide that water protection so this 111 00:09:59,860 --> 00:10:06,980 was approved by the ARB the design of it you know used the columns and then he also 112 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:12,280 used a dental feature, which you may not be able to see very well in the photos here, 113 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:17,180 but a dental relation is, you know, it's called dental, as they kind of look like little 114 00:10:17,180 --> 00:10:24,440 teeth at the corners line, so he continued that feature across, and this wasn't there. 115 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,440 So this just an example of something that would mean the Secretary of Interior standards, 116 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,800 whereas this next one is going to be an example of something that would not mean the standards 117 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:45,140 So on these two photos are the existing historic windows, and then the middle photo is going to be a replacement of windows. 118 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,220 That, you know, we're not the appropriate material. 119 00:10:50,200 --> 00:11:00,820 And the design of it also is kind of lacking because it's got this like, you know, these sort of, you know, white spaces in the middle there of each window of the middle and the top. 120 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:06,960 So, it just really doesn't sit with this building, so this was came out of the Secretary of 121 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:13,220 Minister of Interior, Standards, Documentments, not a local example, but we do have, you 122 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:19,620 know, several buildings that look like this in our lower-commerce street area, so you kind 123 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:25,320 of give an idea for changes to a building that are not in alignment with those standards 124 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,920 and how they are detriment, you know, to the character of the building, 125 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,240 and I want to go through 126 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:41,760 with another local example, this is on Gulfway Street and Cottage Hill was an EJI project 127 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:48,320 and it was very, you know, pleased to help them through the review process for this, the building 128 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,880 on the top right. You can see that was the current condition or existing condition. The building 129 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:02,000 had been vacant for a number of years, and so they renovated it, but then it's got this 130 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:10,040 whole new glass front, a storefront system there, and then they painted the entire 131 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,200 place with the entire exterior, lots of other modifications as well, and so this is again 132 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:23,900 just another example, locally of what we're doing when we are reviewing a proposal for 133 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:28,580 alterations to a historic building we're wanting to look at these, this 134 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:34,680 thing building, look at its features and see what features are very 135 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:39,520 important to retain and what may not be as important, the things that we 136 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:46,680 can modify to be able to bring into a habitable useable status. So that's a 137 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:52,820 whole idea of adaptive reuse or rehabilitation. So this is what we're doing and 138 00:12:52,820 --> 00:13:00,050 what the design guidelines are intended to regularly essentially. So they're giving ideas about 139 00:13:00,660 --> 00:13:06,730 what are good things to do, what are things that you should not do. So we'll go forward here. 140 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,450 This is just basically the cover sheet and then the table of contents on the right side. 141 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:21,020 So even just in this, on the table of contents it has sections of some of the material from 142 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:26,600 existing guidelines was carried over, but some of this is just like totally brand new. 143 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:32,580 So there was no section on archeology anywhere in the existing guidelines. 144 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:38,160 So now we have that in this particular version of the guidelines. 145 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:44,460 So we'll go forward here and I'm basically just showing side by side examples of the existing 146 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:45,060 guidelines. 147 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:55,280 This is the section on the roofing, so roof-form, pigeon materials are very important to defining the character of many historic buildings. 148 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:03,260 And so as I was giving those examples earlier, another clear example for a roof is a Spanish revival style building. 149 00:14:03,820 --> 00:14:13,900 And you can see on the right side, third from the right, the picture of the tiles, that is a very distinctive roof material that is used on Spanish revival buildings. 150 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:17,640 It's usually a red clay tile or just like a orange or a reddish color. 151 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,960 It's a if somebody wanted to remove that and put on some basic asphalt shingle that would 152 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,280 not be appropriate if it is a Spanish revival building. 153 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:38,120 So that's kind of just another example of how changing that material or that design can 154 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:45,300 their help or hurt of building based on what the, you know, situation is or what the existing 155 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:52,020 condition is. And so that's the existing one. And then this is the new section on reaching. 156 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,840 So, it does have, you know, sidebar photos to help with, you know, just visual interest and giving. 157 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:24,940 More text-based and then on the left you have a section for planning your project, because we want this to not only be used by the ARB but also by historic property owners so they can look at this and go through the planning your project section and think through some of the details there and then on the right side is the guidelines themselves. 158 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:32,600 So again, what to do, what not to do, what things are considered appropriate in general, what are not considered appropriate. 159 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,220 Although things are sort of case by case when they come into us full of review. 160 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:46,580 So there are guidelines, you know, sometimes that the ARB may improve something that is said to be not appropriate on the guidelines. 161 00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:48,940 So it just really depends on the situation. 162 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:53,070 But this will give much more sort of predictability for people. 163 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,440 I can look to this and say, hey, this is considered inappropriate. 164 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:04,440 I can tell the person, you know, your online code to be approved as just an example of talking through, 165 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:08,480 with an owner about something that they're wanting to do. 166 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:12,600 And so we'll go ahead to the next one, which is fences walls and gates. 167 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,300 Again, this is the existing section. 168 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:22,300 And then on the right is sighting, it's interior, wall sighting, and again, it's very simple. 169 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:29,100 It has these little photos, pictographs, or whatever, and that acceptable or not acceptable. 170 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,220 But that's just really, really simplistic. 171 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,300 A lot of our discussions at Airbnb get into more detail than this. 172 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:43,340 It's, you know, there's also new materials that may not have, you know, been in existence 173 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:44,420 in 1985. 174 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,180 So I've had that happen a couple of times as well, especially with wall-siding, you know, 175 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:57,460 this has some of the things on there, but it's not, you know, it's not referencing things 176 00:16:57,460 --> 00:17:05,140 like hearty board, you know, or these fiberglass type of composite materials, it's just really 177 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:11,280 I mentioned any of that just because it's from 1985, which was a point in time. 178 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:15,340 So that's the section that we have for fences walls and gates. 179 00:17:16,060 --> 00:17:21,960 And again, fences walls and gates is, you know, these helped to define the site layout, 180 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:24,480 as well as the storage circulation patterns. 181 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,900 So they're very important features and they also have an ornamental function as well. 182 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:34,100 So I often, you know, try to, you know, 183 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:36,700 sway people into a more, you know, 184 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:38,920 decorative feature. 185 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,060 A lot of times, what we get is just kind of basic, you know, privacy fences, 186 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,940 which can be okay, but they also might not be okay. 187 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,260 So it just kind of depends on the situation. 188 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,400 And again, this talks through different items, different, you know, ideas, 189 00:17:56,780 --> 00:18:00,640 and on the right side is giving guidelines, as well. 190 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:07,060 for what to do, what not to do, and just go forward to the next one, exterior walls. 191 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:15,220 And this is where you can get into, and not only, again, not only the function of, you know, 192 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:19,620 preventing weather from getting inside of a building, but also a decorative aspect, 193 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:23,920 especially for, like I said earlier, to the revival cell buildings, 194 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:33,860 have this stucco feature and then on the bottom right there you can see the sort of odd brick patterns 195 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:41,820 that you have there and so that's another distinctive feature so somebody wanted to remove 196 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:48,120 brick or you know stucco over it that would be something that I would be very skeptical of 197 00:18:48,120 --> 00:19:08,400 So, again, this is where, you know, these guidelines will help people to, you know, talk through the project, work through their ideas about it, and also, again, get there being, you know, much more strength in the motions that they are making because they can actually reference, here's a set of guidelines and why I'm improving what I'm improving. 198 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:17,000 So we'll go forward to the next one, which is Windows and doors, and again, I've characterized 199 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,480 this as a major frontline of historic preservation. 200 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:29,200 So Windows, almost always, our historic homes, are almost always wood, made of wood, and 201 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,780 they have a divided light pattern on them. 202 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:45,560 And, you know, if somebody wants to, you know, replace with, first of all, a different material that can be problematic, and then also removing that great light pattern on it, will also be problematic. 203 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:55,020 So it's kind of, you know, both with the materials and the design when it comes to windows and then doors and similar kind of thing as well. 204 00:19:55,020 --> 00:20:03,860 And kind of issues that I have sometimes with applicants that is wanting to put in, you know, sort of cheap vinyl windows. 205 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:10,800 That's a thing that happens and doors as well are just much more mass manufacturing. 206 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:21,560 They might have like a little family at the top, but they're, you know, they may not have the size lights and the transoms and the oval, oval glass in there. 207 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:29,200 So again, these are just, these are, and so this is the existing, and then we'll go to the next one here. 208 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:33,200 This is actually the longest section in the guidelines again. 209 00:20:33,940 --> 00:20:39,060 I sort of think this is like the kind of meat and potatoes of historic preservation 210 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,800 is trying to make sure that we're able to preserve these historic wood windows, 211 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:51,080 which can last for a long on time, a hundred years or more if they're maintained properly. 212 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,080 And so a lot of times I want to, you know, recommend to people repair. 213 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:03,740 You know, you can actually splice out individual pieces of a wood window and repair it and put it back in. 214 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:12,380 Even the single pins of glass, you can repair those, put them back in, and you keep that window in use for a longer period of time. 215 00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:18,980 So these are, again, Windows and doors, and then this is just a continuation of the Windows 216 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:26,860 section, more guidelines here, and then sort of all-in-one picture showing a bunch 217 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:32,240 of different decorative types of Windows that you have there on the right. 218 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,500 And I think this is just a less slide that I have, really just more for procedural functions 219 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:49,540 for the board, both HPC and ARV, just on example of how to make a motion. 220 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:56,780 This comes from James Reed of UGA, and I got through the National Alliance of Preservation 221 00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:57,420 Commissions. 222 00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:05,380 They did a summer short course last year, and this is just showing all the things that 223 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:10,560 should be included in a motion, so I just wanted to put this up here, just to kind 224 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:18,120 folks and give a bit of sort of training as we go through this, this update with design guidelines. 225 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:24,680 And, you know, really, this is kind of really more forward than ARB, other than, I think, beneficial. 226 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:54,140 We'd really want to be stating a finding effect. So, you know, here I found, based on the information presented that it will, you know, this project will meet the design guidelines and then you call out, you know, this specific section. And so I'm approving based on, you know, based on those findings. 227 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:57,000 So, that's all I have on the presentation. 228 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 I'm happy to, you know, answer any questions. 229 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,900 The Joel may have the, you know, one move to adopt these guidelines. 230 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:15,320 I have, you know, been giving kind of giving each section over the last year or two, as well. 231 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,780 And now we have basically finalized document. 232 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:28,360 And again, if anybody, you know, for wanting to have discussion, that's fine as well, but, yeah, so I'll leave with that. 233 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:35,640 Well, first of all, Sean, let us thank you for such a detailed presentation. 234 00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:39,940 I mean, seriously, we can tell what you present here is. 235 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:43,520 You took some effort to put all of this together. 236 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:49,840 We want to just say how much we appreciate that before we let Sean sit down. 237 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:57,100 Anyone has a comment or a question, you'd like to throw it Sean in a comment or a question. 238 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:04,000 I would like to just say exactly what Dr. Bailey said, Sean, thank you for your work on this. 239 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,380 I think that you've gone above and beyond with this document. 240 00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:13,500 Not only does it serve as a better guideline for ARB, but it truly is an accessible document. 241 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,820 for those with his work homes, even if they are new. 242 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,520 So it's very approachable, very accessible, and cross-generational. 243 00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:23,460 So I think you've done a great job with this on that side. 244 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,300 So thank you. 245 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,340 Thank you. 246 00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:26,880 Yeah, I do. 247 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,920 I agree with them, Sean. 248 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:36,600 My question is, the last time it was revised, it was like 1985, it was like 41 years ago. 249 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Do you think it should be like updated every five years, every 41 years, 250 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Yeah, that's a great point, Vince, and I mean, short answer is yes, it should be, you know, 251 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:55,820 that's kind of, yes, the best practice is to review, you know, this sort of document. 252 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,660 Yeah, I'd say probably at least every five years. 253 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:07,740 It's kind of a similar, I would say, issue with local, like historic districts as well, 254 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,420 And those have not been revisited either. 255 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:14,880 So that's another thing that I'm kind of working through and strategizing. 256 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,740 You know, just trying to figure out a method to get what it will be a lot of work done. 257 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,520 You know, so, yeah, I mean, I think that it's a lot I'm thinking along the same lines, 258 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,380 because districts really should be revisited about every 5 to 10 years as well. 259 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:41,200 So, yeah, so it should be, I'm gonna have to figure out transitioning this, it's in 260 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,840 publisher, which is going away, so I've got to figure that out, but that's my goal 261 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:53,560 is to get it into a format where I can revisit, you know, at some point, and make sure that 262 00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:00,180 it is a living document, and I've got all the text in a word file, so, you know, at that 263 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:08,500 sort of there and evergreen. But yeah, it's got all the photos and captions and things that are not really 264 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:16,200 carried over into words. So, anyway, that's like a technical thing. And it's something that I'm working through, 265 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:24,820 but yes, it should be revisited. Yeah, that would be my intention. It would be essentially to 266 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:30,640 keep it as a living, breathing document, and so we can add things to it, you know, or remove 267 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,500 things like a fit, you know, if there's something that, I don't know, becomes problematic 268 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:41,700 or for whatever reason, but yeah, it should be reviewed on a regular basis. 269 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,260 Thank you. 270 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:43,880 Anyone else? 271 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:44,900 Question. 272 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Comment. 273 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Anyone? 274 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,500 Okay. 275 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:50,800 Thank you. 276 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,800 Thank you. 277 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:01,040 presentation. This is exactly the kind of presentation that we've come to expect from 278 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:08,800 Sean. As we continue, I will agenda adoption of the revised ARB Guidelines by 279 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,980 the board. The chair will now entertain a motion that we adopt is that revised 280 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:14,940 guideline. 281 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:20,620 Anyone? 282 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:41,360 I'll do. I motion to adopt the revised ARB Design Guidelines as presented today with the facts that it is in line with the Secretary of the Interior's requirements and has been reviewed by the city and ARB throughout the previous health lunch and lunch. 283 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,460 That's second. 284 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:43,120 Second. 285 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Okay. 286 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,120 Any unreadance. 287 00:27:45,420 --> 00:27:46,600 Any unreadance. 288 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,200 Okay. 289 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:54,300 All those in favor that we know about show of hands, motion, care, thank you so very much. 290 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,820 As we continue our work. 291 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,540 The agenda is afternoon. 292 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,240 We have at least one guest. 293 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,680 I believe in audience. 294 00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:08,620 So would you like to approach the microphone and say something 35 or 65 seconds? 295 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,480 If you like, you can make it nine and five seconds. 296 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,580 No one will keep it all before dinner. 297 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,020 Thank you for recognizing me. 298 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,540 Can you give us your name? 299 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:26,500 Yeah, my name is Matthew Ruffka. 300 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,800 I live here in Montgomery. 301 00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:33,960 You raise a really interesting point about how the historic districts haven't been revisited 302 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,300 since 1987. 303 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:39,520 I'm sure that we have a difference in what the historic 304 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,840 in Montgomery, Alabama are now than we did back then. 305 00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:47,660 And I'm wondering what this committee would be interested in doing 306 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:54,660 to potentially address some of those issues that probably stem from that. 307 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:56,990 There you go. 308 00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:57,910 Thoughts. 309 00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:59,790 We just might have a question. 310 00:29:00,050 --> 00:29:00,530 Come in. 311 00:29:00,790 --> 00:29:02,230 I'd like to make it. 312 00:29:02,370 --> 00:29:05,790 Well, one, thank you for coming up. 313 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:09,990 And that's actually been something that we have revisited recently 314 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:20,110 with a few new members, including myself, that we do plan to pursue in the next coming year and developing a strategic plan to do. 315 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:22,950 So we've spoken with Sean over the last several meetings. 316 00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:26,210 And so it is on the radar to begin next steps. 317 00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:27,070 Good. 318 00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:29,730 Anyone else? 319 00:29:30,550 --> 00:29:37,730 Well, I was going to say, if you're familiar with city ordinance, that created Historic Preservation 320 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:42,970 Commission in the ARB and the designation process, it has been, what did we say 25 years 321 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:46,630 since there has been a historic district designated. 322 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:52,790 Sean is working on something that's almost ready to flop and South Africa, you have 323 00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:59,970 I knew the South-Hall Street historic district, but the process was very... 324 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,660 I want you to listen on user friendly, that kind of thing. It evolved over the last 25 years to something a little more user friendly. 325 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:13,020 So that I think with the south hall district, it'll kind of be kickstarted. 326 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,620 But there is a pretty lengthy process of survey work that has to go before things are just designated. 327 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:20,740 Yeah, for sure. 328 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,900 Mr. Ruffman, can I ask is there a particular area that you have in mind? 329 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:26,020 No, not at all. 330 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,280 You have a question for the comment. 331 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:32,900 Is it okay? 332 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:39,720 Yeah, I'll just add that as Carol mentioned, you know, I'm looking at what would be essentially 333 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:47,060 our first new historic district, basically in over 20 years, 2001, it is when Cloverdo 334 00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:53,860 Idle Wild was designated and so, but it actually also mentioned it requires an architectural 335 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:59,580 survey that has to meet the guidelines of the Alabama Historic Commission and I'm qualified 336 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:05,200 to do that, but I've got a lot of other responsibilities managing two different public boards 337 00:31:05,980 --> 00:31:07,880 and just a lot of different things. 338 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:14,060 The design review each month that comes in on applications, but then one of the other projects 339 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:20,700 that I have is a grant-funded project to research one of our local historic districts, 340 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:23,680 one 341 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:34,800 So my thought of sort of thought process is to get that one done and kind of set that up as like a template here's how we would do this moving forward 342 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,020 And then essentially prioritize and like okay, what is the most important? 343 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:49,140 And so that this district that I'm working on the grant forward in my opinion is the most important one that needs a reservay 344 00:31:49,140 --> 00:32:16,320 because it doesn't, we don't have any side inventory forms for it really at all, so that's, so in my opinion it's the most important ones I'm doing that one first and then I'll kind of go through the other ones as time, you know, permits and as we get things, you know, moving and sort of off the ground of being a little bit stagnant. So, yeah, anyway, thanks for your comment, I hope that helps. 345 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Sir, thank you guys. 346 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:19,880 Thank you, sir. Please come again. 347 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:20,800 Okay. 348 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:23,800 All right. As we come to a close, 349 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,240 we have to start. 350 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,960 You got everything. 351 00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:27,880 Okay. 352 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:31,080 I'm sorry. 353 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:34,640 Give us your name, please. 354 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,220 Oh, don't come. Please. 355 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Good afternoon. 356 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,620 I had a couple of questions for Sean. 357 00:32:44,620 --> 00:33:01,720 One about the local historic districts is that a process that could be that you guys could have an internship with the local one of the local colleges to have an intern learn or be involved a history student 358 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:09,120 be involved in that process because then that way we can help start training some students on how to do this survey. 359 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:21,000 Yes, I mean I've got multiple things that I could put an answer on to and be productive and also get them training and you know. 360 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:29,940 But I'm saying that they get college credit for it. So to work with the college, develop some kind of process program where they would also get college credit. 361 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:33,920 I'm not just talking paid, but I'm saying to develop some kind of program where there's 362 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:40,120 to do ASU Fisher program, Huntington, somebody's history program where you can start kind 363 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,100 of fun on students into learning how this process works. 364 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,480 Yeah, maybe I don't know the touch of the U.S. 365 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,360 That's it. 366 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:48,620 I'm all for it. 367 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:55,260 In terms of a formal adoption of that type of structure, obviously we would have to have 368 00:33:55,260 --> 00:34:03,220 framework from whatever college or university that would be interested in adopting that 369 00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:07,780 type of program. When it comes to funding, obviously, the budget has to be in consideration. 370 00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:13,740 It has to be something that we plan for. Now, if it's an agreement where it's unpaid and the 371 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:18,900 payment is or the compensation is the credit that would still have to be something that will 372 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,620 have to go through our internal processes of being approved. I think that is something that 373 00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:26,640 be plausible, but it just has the follow-up procedures in terms of getting adopted. 374 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000 But like I said, in terms of payment, it has to be approved. 375 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:35,120 The planning department does have a space for a planning intern, but currently that position 376 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:35,960 is not funded. 377 00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:43,660 Now, the mayor offers the mayor's internship program on a yearly basis, so whenever a student 378 00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:49,060 comes into the program to say that they're part of that mayor's internship, they can absolutely 379 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:52,900 saying like we had one this year and it was wonderful pipe hands six 380 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,780 interns actually and there was one specifically that saying they wanted to work 381 00:34:56,780 --> 00:35:00,740 within the planning department so you you're more than welcome to go through 382 00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:04,960 that establish process because that framework is already there and if you are 383 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,200 selected and approved all you have to do is specify I want to work in the 384 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,700 planning department it's based off of department not necessarily division but 385 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,460 absolutely it can go that way and we wouldn't have to go through any extra 386 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:21,860 procedures in terms of formulaing that because that program is in existence. 387 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:29,840 The other question I had was, well, comment, follow-up to that is that that could be something, 388 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,120 you know, I'm with the National Part Service, and we have grants, and that could be a grant-funded 389 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:42,720 thing in terms of an internship through a part service grant to hire interns to do this kind 390 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,220 of survey work or at least learn the survey process. 391 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,720 And then my other question, of course, you already know what I'm getting ready to ask. 392 00:35:51,840 --> 00:36:00,240 So, Carbapart and Mobile Heights, the survey in the National Register nomination, 393 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,240 that was funded through the National Park Service, any updates on that project? 394 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:13,000 Yeah, the, so I've finished a first draft of the RFP and I have someone in our grants department, 395 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,500 reviewing it, she reviewed this other grant I've just mentioned and so I'm just waiting 396 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:26,920 on her feedback and once I get that we'll go through a procurement and move forward 397 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,720 Basically with RFP. So yeah, so that's where we are. 398 00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:43,010 Okay, thank you. Okay, they have one more person in the audience, so I would like to make a comment, feel free, there's no charge. 399 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:45,030 So the bus team? 400 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:50,990 Just want to please come back, please come back, please come back, we will welcome your attendance. 401 00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:56,470 To our other commissioners here, is anyone there to think going on in the back to the front of the body? 402 00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:57,950 Yes, they're going here. 403 00:36:57,950 --> 00:37:00,990 I think a couple of things what Ms. Walker was talking about. 404 00:37:01,130 --> 00:37:05,250 I think that can be a topic for the Education Committee in terms of interns, 405 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:09,690 like sort of startup, like what does that look like and have a conversation with 406 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:13,510 Ms. Miles as a part of the Education Committee? 407 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:19,950 Yeah, I agree with it. And I think we'll put the approval of the new guidelines. 408 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:23,170 There's a great element there to do some work with the Neighborhood Association. 409 00:37:23,710 --> 00:37:25,790 So I'd love to have that dialogue. 410 00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:29,970 Okay, any one else has anything coming up like 411 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,360 I'd like to bring to our attention before we leave the scene. 412 00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:39,600 I'm convinced you mentioned the, I don't know if you want to talk about the section 106. 413 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,840 Yeah, I am trying to pull it up on my phone. 414 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,080 And I'm just going to read verbatim. It's from the National Trust. 415 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,860 And it's section 106. And it says it's under threat. 416 00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:59,320 and it's kind of long and I'll just sort of skip the round. 417 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:04,980 The advisory council on historic preservation, ACHP, 418 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,440 is a vance and a sweeping and damaging proposal to rewrite the regulation 419 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,760 for Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act. 420 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,860 If implemented, these new rules would dramatically diminish the effectiveness of 421 00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:25,180 of NHPA and the current legal protections for historic and cultural places, since an 422 00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:31,260 actment of NHPA 60 years ago, Section 106 has been the foundational requirement for 423 00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:36,320 federal agencies to take into account the effects of their actions on historic properties 424 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,960 and places, enabling public participation in common in the process, empowering state and 425 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,760 local governments and tribal communities to have a voice in the process and often improving 426 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,660 the project and enhance in the outcome. 427 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,200 These new regulations will lead to more delays and more 428 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,600 litigation as federal agencies and applicants 429 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,100 try to navigate compliance without the well-known 430 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,920 and well-used consultation process, 431 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:07,620 which often leads to negotiated win-win outcomes. 432 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:11,480 The preservation community, now partners across the country 433 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,060 are mobilizing to fight its harmful proposal. 434 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:23,060 So, you ask, what can you do, write your governor to share how these changes impact historic 435 00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:28,440 properties in your location, write to your members of Congress, and consider contact in 436 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,760 the district office during the August recess to make your voice heard. 437 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,080 And then you just send the National Trust examples of Section 106 consultations that benefited 438 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,120 your community. 439 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:48,780 So, I just wanted to put that out there because it is important and something I think 440 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:53,460 that as a board, and certainly that we can share with the community as we talk about 441 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:58,600 preservation that we need to be aware of, as well as the general public. 442 00:39:59,360 --> 00:39:59,560 Okay. 443 00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:01,520 Thank you very much. 444 00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:02,360 Anyone else? 445 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,140 I was going to just comment on what Vincent said, you know, 446 00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:09,880 one of six we kind of think it's historic structures, a built-in 447 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,820 environment, but it also has to do with landscapes, you know, 448 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,940 historic areas of ground space, 449 00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:20,260 big red kind of. 450 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,760 Yes, cemeteries, prehistoric, you know, 451 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:25,820 painting that kind of thing. 452 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:29,800 So it's not just, they're not looking just at 453 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:37,600 of historic structures as cultural resources to document it to say it also has to do with other types of environmental. 454 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,360 Yeah, and thank you for pointing that out, Carol. 455 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,660 You know, just to give a little bit more context. 456 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,140 The section one of six is a very what to the public is like super obscure in my opinion. 457 00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:52,820 It's section one of six of the National Historic Preservation Act. 458 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,920 A lot of people in the field just call it section one of six, 459 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:16,180 But that may not be known to the general public, so just want to put that out there, you know, what it what it actually goes to the Section 106 is a section of this federal law, and what it essentially is therefore is for any time when a federal agency is going to spend money 460 00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:22,140 that's called undertaking and before they go through and undertaking they have to 461 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:27,400 consider the impacts on historic resources. This is a key part of the National 462 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:35,660 Historic Preservation Act and has had many great projects. I've only dealt with it 463 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:41,540 a few times since grad school. We had a whole seminar on section 106 and how it 464 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:49,700 How to go through the process and all of those things and the changes in my professional opinion are going to be there the very bad 465 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:54,660 It would allow for the federal agency itself to determine 466 00:41:55,220 --> 00:42:00,440 Whether consultation needs to take place. I mean, that's that's not really the spirit of the wall 467 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,060 It's it's meant to have this consultation and it's being, you know 468 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:12,380 disparaged as anti-development or whatever, when some of the numbers of the national 469 00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:18,480 trust has put out, is that in other professionals in the field, is there some like 470 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,800 one to two percent, maybe even less than that a half of a percent of adverse findings 471 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,520 or adverse impacts, that most projects go through this process and there's not this, 472 00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:37,360 long delay or whatever, because of the, because of the one of its process, it's actually 473 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:43,800 more so that the sort of federal reviewers may be over, you know, overworked or whatever, 474 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,180 can't get to it in time, and all of those kind of bureaucratic, red tape things that happen 475 00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:50,040 in the federal government. 476 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:55,340 So I'll kind of leave my comments at that, but I just wanted to add a little bit more 477 00:42:55,340 --> 00:43:02,860 context, National Historic Preservation Act, is essentially this very key portion of it is basically 478 00:43:02,860 --> 00:43:05,420 being rewritten at the time. 479 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:12,060 And so I'm one of the most notable ones that my Gumbrian will know, as it results in 480 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:17,380 one of six review, is if I pick a house on court street at Mildred, where Montgomery County 481 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:24,480 Historical Societies is located when they were expanding the federal court house in court 482 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,940 straight there, and the examining around what cultural resources were there, they came upon the 483 00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:35,940 Sandy Bellen House, sitting right at Clayton Street in court street and said, you know, 484 00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:42,780 you got to do something with it. And it, you know, it got moved, but it got saved. And 485 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:48,160 Montgomery County Historical Society stepped to the play and it got moved and restored to 486 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,740 blocks up. And it is now working a Bible part of the historic community. So that's probably 487 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:58,660 of the bigger projects. It's happened. I've been saved in other words here in the city of Montgomery. 488 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:03,940 In the Vustation right there at that whole corner in Fort Street, Clayton Street. 489 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:05,980 It just didn't have to be moved. 490 00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:07,580 Yeah, so that's the... 491 00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:08,760 But it lost a lot of... 492 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:11,220 It's lost a lot of it's integrity. 493 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,860 Yeah, that's the... 494 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:17,560 The Greyhound Vustation on South Court Street. 495 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,540 Freedom was what we're referencing, you know, the Freedom Rides. 496 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,880 What is now the Freedom Rides? 497 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,480 So it's actually a little thick study of that structure, where it is, yeah. 498 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:27,420 That's good information. 499 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,800 So National Trust for Historic Preservation, 500 00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:40,520 they will have a webinar tomorrow. 501 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,200 Anyone who's interested who's listening, you can go to the National Trust's website, 502 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,120 and I believe there's like a registration form. 503 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:51,500 It's a free webinar. 504 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:59,520 basically people discussing, you know, the impacts of this change and ways to, you know, perhaps. 505 00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:12,160 You know, give public comment, like there will have to have the public comment period, and yeah, anyways. So there's a webinar tomorrow for that. 506 00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:15,780 Good enough. Let me thank everybody for coming out this evening. 507 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:25,740 The next scheduled meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission is Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 6.5.30 p.m. 508 00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:30,860 and I wish each and every one of you a very, very happy, like, ladies, me to see you by adjourned.