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[0:18] We pick up every sound, every statement that is made by our commissioners and our audios and our staff
[0:30] people to get us started this afternoon and just like to introduce our staff people with us
[0:41] this afternoon and to my right in the audience love, this is Natasha D. Miles, our interim
[0:51] land use control administrator, Mr. Sean Rose, the start preservation commission coordinator,
[0:57] and to my left and the audience right, Ms. Nook Toki, Rose, the Administrator Support Specialist,
[1:07] and then the people handling the cameras and all of that, and the Mike Man Audio Engineer
[1:13] in Joshua Gross, our Audio Visual Technician.
[1:18] And now the introduction of our other commissioners in the evening,
[1:22] we will start from my left and the audience right.
[1:26] Good afternoon, Vincent Hall.
[1:30] Chelsea Martin, Ella Martin, Kiel King, Camulo de Bauderlie.
[1:36] Valerie Smettley.
[1:39] Good afternoon to everybody and it's good to see everybody.
[1:42] We haven't been here since June and wonderful to see everybody smiling and seemingly ready
[1:49] to go and that's what we like.
[1:52] You have, uh, in your package or email, a copy of the, uh, June, uh, 11, 2020-6B,
[2:00] the chair will not entertain a motion for the adoption of those minutes.
[2:09] I'm a little bit, we, we accept the minutes, um, as submitted.
[2:15] Is there a second?
[2:16] A second?
[2:17] Any other letters?
[2:20] All those in favor that have been known by the show of hands?
[2:23] motion care. Thank you so very much. As we proceed further our agenda this afternoon, we
[2:32] like to
[2:37] talk about John and Sean. Thank you for our next education committee meeting.
[2:44] Sure, thank you, Dr. Bailey. So just really want to open it for the members here. I believe
[2:50] We have Chelsea, Vincent, and Camilla on the Education Committee, so if you all have
[2:56] any time in dates, I just want to kind of schedule the next meeting for us to continue
[3:03] our discussions on educational activities.
[3:07] Anyone have a question or comment?
[3:10] Question?
[3:12] Question?
[3:13] Go ahead.
[3:13] Education committee.
[3:15] Sign how soon are you looking to schedule this meeting?
[3:18] I mean, it's up to y'all. I'm available in the next couple of weeks, but yes, it's really
[3:27] based around y'all schedule.
[3:30] Vincent, what is the week of, maybe the 25th or 26th look, Mike Frill?
[3:40] Are you thinking about Wednesday the 26th?
[3:42] Tuesday and Wednesday.
[3:44] I think for me, the 26th, that Wednesday.
[3:49] Yeah, 26th.
[3:50] I don't know.
[3:52] Dean has preferred morning or evening?
[3:54] I have to attend to 40.
[3:55] After 245.
[3:58] How does 430 on the December 430 on the 26th?
[4:03] Yes.
[4:04] Okay.
[4:04] 430 on the 26th at the day.
[4:06] Okay.
[4:07] Sean, is that okay with you?
[4:09] Yeah, that'll work for me.
[4:10] And so we can meet in my office.
[4:13] It's 25 Washington on the 440.
[4:17] Thank you very much.
[4:18] presentation is going to be going over revised, ARB to the ZAN and GA, shall we take a lead on that?
[4:27] Yeah, I will.
[4:29] If you go to the other markets,
[4:37] let's see how we do this.
[4:39] I think we have the presentation up here.
[4:42] So some of this, I'll kind of go a little quickly.
[4:45] Some of you all have already seen this.
[4:49] And thanks to those of you who extended the lunch and lunch and lunch session that we had.
[4:53] And then we had two of them pretty good turnout, some ARB members attended, and then we had some folks on the historic districts as well who were interested.
[5:06] So what this is all about is revising the set of ARB design guidelines.
[5:13] The current guidelines that we have are very outdated from 1985, and it's been an ongoing project,
[5:19] even before I started here at the city and some really excited to bring this home and bring it to
[5:27] conclusion. This would be, I think, a very great update for us. The existing guidelines are very thin.
[5:36] It's just based on, you know, like these little pictographs that they have in there,
[5:42] where is the revised guidelines? Are going to be much more robust, much more detail,
[5:47] And so we'll go through, just have a historic photo here for anyone interested in this
[5:53] show, a course where really before the fountain was there, so I looked at about 1860s to 1875.
[6:02] It's the time frame on this historic photograph, so I just want to put this up here, people like
[6:09] historic images, and I think this is a really cool picture, so I just want to start that out,
[6:15] And then we have a map showing all of our existing historic districts on the screen here.
[6:22] So we have Garden District, Oklahoma, Oklahoma out of wild, Cottage Hill, capital heights,
[6:30] and then an island happening as well, and also Old El Vamentel, a bunch of buildings there.
[6:37] So just a current historic district map.
[6:39] And then moving forward, this is a slide that I have on, basically describing what is
[6:48] historic character and how do you identify it?
[6:52] And so I like to use these two examples on the left, you have two of the Bible style
[6:58] house, which if you look on the second floor there, has this distinctive, what's called
[7:05] half-tembring pattern on the upper half of the building, and that decorative half-tembring
[7:11] was meant to mimic medieval infill timber framing a lot of our, and that's medieval
[7:18] year. So that's because a lot of our architectural influences in America came from year.
[7:24] So that's kind of, you know, just a distinctive thing that you can see.
[7:30] And when you see this pattern, almost always, it is a two-to-reviable style building, so you can identify the style of the building based on that particular feature.
[7:41] And then on the right side is a Greek room-vival style building.
[7:45] And this image kind of doesn't show it very well, but you can see the full high columns there, there, and that is a very distinctive feature in Greek room-vival,
[7:55] which also goes into the neoclassical revival, which is a different style, but also uses a lot of these, you know, sort of ancient Roman motifs.
[8:07] So the character, according to the National Park Service, character refers to all those visual aspects and physical features that comprise the appearance of every historic building.
[8:18] And so character defining elements can include the overall shape of the building.
[8:23] It's materials, as I was mentioning, you know, the half-tempered wood.
[8:29] And then the other part of the upper store will be stuck on most often.
[8:33] So those are material elements.
[8:35] And then you have craftsman ships, how a building was built, decorative details.
[8:42] and then you also have interior spaces which we don't really deal with as much
[8:47] the interior but sometimes interior spaces do come up as caretaker finding features
[8:53] and then also you have the site and the environment.
[8:57] So those are all aspects that define the character of historic buildings
[9:02] and we'll go forward here so this slide just showing a local example of something that would be
[9:09] in alignment with the Secretary of Interior standards of rehabilitation, so a lot of what
[9:16] we do in his sort of preservation is based on that federal standard, which is the Secretary
[9:21] of Interior, they operate the Department of Interior, operates the National Public Service,
[9:26] and also the National Register of Historic Places.
[9:31] So this is a local example in South Paris, where in the middle photograph you can see there
[9:37] water was basically cooling the porch and so it was rotting out the the baseboards there
[9:46] and the owner came in with a proposal to continue the balcony feature over to
[9:52] the right so we covered this porch area and provide that water protection so this
[9:59] was approved by the ARB the design of it you know used the columns and then he also
[10:06] used a dental feature, which you may not be able to see very well in the photos here,
[10:13] but a dental relation is, you know, it's called dental, as they kind of look like little
[10:17] teeth at the corners line, so he continued that feature across, and this wasn't there.
[10:24] So this just an example of something that would mean the Secretary of Interior standards,
[10:32] whereas this next one is going to be an example of something that would not mean the standards
[10:37] So on these two photos are the existing historic windows, and then the middle photo is going to be a replacement of windows.
[10:46] That, you know, we're not the appropriate material.
[10:50] And the design of it also is kind of lacking because it's got this like, you know, these sort of, you know, white spaces in the middle there of each window of the middle and the top.
[11:00] So, it just really doesn't sit with this building, so this was came out of the Secretary of
[11:06] Minister of Interior, Standards, Documentments, not a local example, but we do have, you
[11:13] know, several buildings that look like this in our lower-commerce street area, so you kind
[11:19] of give an idea for changes to a building that are not in alignment with those standards
[11:25] and how they are detriment, you know, to the character of the building,
[11:32] and I want to go through
[11:33] with another local example, this is on Gulfway Street and Cottage Hill was an EJI project
[11:41] and it was very, you know, pleased to help them through the review process for this, the building
[11:48] on the top right. You can see that was the current condition or existing condition. The building
[11:54] had been vacant for a number of years, and so they renovated it, but then it's got this
[12:02] whole new glass front, a storefront system there, and then they painted the entire
[12:10] place with the entire exterior, lots of other modifications as well, and so this is again
[12:16] just another example, locally of what we're doing when we are reviewing a proposal for
[12:23] alterations to a historic building we're wanting to look at these, this
[12:28] thing building, look at its features and see what features are very
[12:34] important to retain and what may not be as important, the things that we
[12:39] can modify to be able to bring into a habitable useable status. So that's a
[12:46] whole idea of adaptive reuse or rehabilitation. So this is what we're doing and
[12:52] what the design guidelines are intended to regularly essentially. So they're giving ideas about
[13:00] what are good things to do, what are things that you should not do. So we'll go forward here.
[13:07] This is just basically the cover sheet and then the table of contents on the right side.
[13:13] So even just in this, on the table of contents it has sections of some of the material from
[13:21] existing guidelines was carried over, but some of this is just like totally brand new.
[13:27] So there was no section on archeology anywhere in the existing guidelines.
[13:32] So now we have that in this particular version of the guidelines.
[13:39] So we'll go forward here and I'm basically just showing side by side examples of the existing
[13:44] guidelines.
[13:45] This is the section on the roofing, so roof-form, pigeon materials are very important to defining the character of many historic buildings.
[13:55] And so as I was giving those examples earlier, another clear example for a roof is a Spanish revival style building.
[14:03] And you can see on the right side, third from the right, the picture of the tiles, that is a very distinctive roof material that is used on Spanish revival buildings.
[14:13] It's usually a red clay tile or just like a orange or a reddish color.
[14:18] It's a if somebody wanted to remove that and put on some basic asphalt shingle that would
[14:24] not be appropriate if it is a Spanish revival building.
[14:30] So that's kind of just another example of how changing that material or that design can
[14:38] their help or hurt of building based on what the, you know, situation is or what the existing
[14:45] condition is. And so that's the existing one. And then this is the new section on reaching.
[14:53] So, it does have, you know, sidebar photos to help with, you know, just visual interest and giving.
[15:00] More text-based and then on the left you have a section for planning your project, because we want this to not only be used by the ARB but also by historic property owners so they can look at this and go through the planning your project section and think through some of the details there and then on the right side is the guidelines themselves.
[15:24] So again, what to do, what not to do, what things are considered appropriate in general, what are not considered appropriate.
[15:33] Although things are sort of case by case when they come into us full of review.
[15:37] So there are guidelines, you know, sometimes that the ARB may improve something that is said to be not appropriate on the guidelines.
[15:47] So it just really depends on the situation.
[15:48] But this will give much more sort of predictability for people.
[15:54] I can look to this and say, hey, this is considered inappropriate.
[15:57] I can tell the person, you know, your online code to be approved as just an example of talking through,
[16:04] with an owner about something that they're wanting to do.
[16:08] And so we'll go ahead to the next one, which is fences walls and gates.
[16:13] Again, this is the existing section.
[16:15] And then on the right is sighting, it's interior, wall sighting, and again, it's very simple.
[16:22] It has these little photos, pictographs, or whatever, and that acceptable or not acceptable.
[16:30] But that's just really, really simplistic.
[16:32] A lot of our discussions at Airbnb get into more detail than this.
[16:37] It's, you know, there's also new materials that may not have, you know, been in existence
[16:43] in 1985.
[16:45] So I've had that happen a couple of times as well, especially with wall-siding, you know,
[16:51] this has some of the things on there, but it's not, you know, it's not referencing things
[16:57] like hearty board, you know, or these fiberglass type of composite materials, it's just really
[17:05] I mentioned any of that just because it's from 1985, which was a point in time.
[17:12] So that's the section that we have for fences walls and gates.
[17:16] And again, fences walls and gates is, you know, these helped to define the site layout,
[17:22] as well as the storage circulation patterns.
[17:25] So they're very important features and they also have an ornamental function as well.
[17:30] So I often, you know, try to, you know,
[17:34] sway people into a more, you know,
[17:36] decorative feature.
[17:39] A lot of times, what we get is just kind of basic, you know, privacy fences,
[17:45] which can be okay, but they also might not be okay.
[17:49] So it just kind of depends on the situation.
[17:51] And again, this talks through different items, different, you know, ideas,
[17:56] and on the right side is giving guidelines, as well.
[18:01] for what to do, what not to do, and just go forward to the next one, exterior walls.
[18:07] And this is where you can get into, and not only, again, not only the function of, you know,
[18:15] preventing weather from getting inside of a building, but also a decorative aspect,
[18:19] especially for, like I said earlier, to the revival cell buildings,
[18:23] have this stucco feature and then on the bottom right there you can see the sort of odd brick patterns
[18:33] that you have there and so that's another distinctive feature so somebody wanted to remove
[18:41] brick or you know stucco over it that would be something that I would be very skeptical of
[18:48] So, again, this is where, you know, these guidelines will help people to, you know, talk through the project, work through their ideas about it, and also, again, get there being, you know, much more strength in the motions that they are making because they can actually reference, here's a set of guidelines and why I'm improving what I'm improving.
[19:09] So we'll go forward to the next one, which is Windows and doors, and again, I've characterized
[19:17] this as a major frontline of historic preservation.
[19:21] So Windows, almost always, our historic homes, are almost always wood, made of wood, and
[19:29] they have a divided light pattern on them.
[19:31] And, you know, if somebody wants to, you know, replace with, first of all, a different material that can be problematic, and then also removing that great light pattern on it, will also be problematic.
[19:46] So it's kind of, you know, both with the materials and the design when it comes to windows and then doors and similar kind of thing as well.
[19:55] And kind of issues that I have sometimes with applicants that is wanting to put in, you know, sort of cheap vinyl windows.
[20:04] That's a thing that happens and doors as well are just much more mass manufacturing.
[20:12] They might have like a little family at the top, but they're, you know, they may not have the size lights and the transoms and the oval, oval glass in there.
[20:21] So again, these are just, these are, and so this is the existing, and then we'll go to the next one here.
[20:29] This is actually the longest section in the guidelines again.
[20:33] I sort of think this is like the kind of meat and potatoes of historic preservation
[20:39] is trying to make sure that we're able to preserve these historic wood windows,
[20:44] which can last for a long on time, a hundred years or more if they're maintained properly.
[20:52] And so a lot of times I want to, you know, recommend to people repair.
[20:56] You know, you can actually splice out individual pieces of a wood window and repair it and put it back in.
[21:03] Even the single pins of glass, you can repair those, put them back in, and you keep that window in use for a longer period of time.
[21:12] So these are, again, Windows and doors, and then this is just a continuation of the Windows
[21:18] section, more guidelines here, and then sort of all-in-one picture showing a bunch
[21:26] of different decorative types of Windows that you have there on the right.
[21:35] And I think this is just a less slide that I have, really just more for procedural functions
[21:42] for the board, both HPC and ARV, just on example of how to make a motion.
[21:50] This comes from James Reed of UGA, and I got through the National Alliance of Preservation
[21:56] Commissions.
[21:57] They did a summer short course last year, and this is just showing all the things that
[22:05] should be included in a motion, so I just wanted to put this up here, just to kind
[22:10] folks and give a bit of sort of training as we go through this, this update with design guidelines.
[22:19] And, you know, really, this is kind of really more forward than ARB, other than, I think, beneficial.
[22:33] We'd really want to be stating a finding effect. So, you know, here I found, based on the information presented that it will, you know, this project will meet the design guidelines and then you call out, you know, this specific section. And so I'm approving based on, you know, based on those findings.
[22:54] So, that's all I have on the presentation.
[22:58] I'm happy to, you know, answer any questions.
[23:01] The Joel may have the, you know, one move to adopt these guidelines.
[23:07] I have, you know, been giving kind of giving each section over the last year or two, as well.
[23:16] And now we have basically finalized document.
[23:18] And again, if anybody, you know, for wanting to have discussion, that's fine as well, but, yeah, so I'll leave with that.
[23:29] Well, first of all, Sean, let us thank you for such a detailed presentation.
[23:36] I mean, seriously, we can tell what you present here is.
[23:40] You took some effort to put all of this together.
[23:43] We want to just say how much we appreciate that before we let Sean sit down.
[23:50] Anyone has a comment or a question, you'd like to throw it Sean in a comment or a question.
[23:58] I would like to just say exactly what Dr. Bailey said, Sean, thank you for your work on this.
[24:04] I think that you've gone above and beyond with this document.
[24:07] Not only does it serve as a better guideline for ARB, but it truly is an accessible document.
[24:13] for those with his work homes, even if they are new.
[24:17] So it's very approachable, very accessible, and cross-generational.
[24:20] So I think you've done a great job with this on that side.
[24:23] So thank you.
[24:24] Thank you.
[24:25] Yeah, I do.
[24:27] I agree with them, Sean.
[24:29] My question is, the last time it was revised, it was like 1985, it was like 41 years ago.
[24:37] Do you think it should be like updated every five years, every 41 years,
[24:43] Yeah, that's a great point, Vince, and I mean, short answer is yes, it should be, you know,
[24:50] that's kind of, yes, the best practice is to review, you know, this sort of document.
[24:56] Yeah, I'd say probably at least every five years.
[25:00] It's kind of a similar, I would say, issue with local, like historic districts as well,
[25:07] And those have not been revisited either.
[25:11] So that's another thing that I'm kind of working through and strategizing.
[25:15] You know, just trying to figure out a method to get what it will be a lot of work done.
[25:21] You know, so, yeah, I mean, I think that it's a lot I'm thinking along the same lines,
[25:26] because districts really should be revisited about every 5 to 10 years as well.
[25:33] So, yeah, so it should be, I'm gonna have to figure out transitioning this, it's in
[25:41] publisher, which is going away, so I've got to figure that out, but that's my goal
[25:46] is to get it into a format where I can revisit, you know, at some point, and make sure that
[25:53] it is a living document, and I've got all the text in a word file, so, you know, at that
[26:00] sort of there and evergreen. But yeah, it's got all the photos and captions and things that are not really
[26:08] carried over into words. So, anyway, that's like a technical thing. And it's something that I'm working through,
[26:16] but yes, it should be revisited. Yeah, that would be my intention. It would be essentially to
[26:24] keep it as a living, breathing document, and so we can add things to it, you know, or remove
[26:30] things like a fit, you know, if there's something that, I don't know, becomes problematic
[26:35] or for whatever reason, but yeah, it should be reviewed on a regular basis.
[26:42] Thank you.
[26:43] Anyone else?
[26:44] Question.
[26:45] Comment.
[26:46] Anyone?
[26:49] Okay.
[26:50] Thank you.
[26:51] Thank you.
[26:54] presentation. This is exactly the kind of presentation that we've come to expect from
[27:01] Sean. As we continue, I will agenda adoption of the revised ARB Guidelines by
[27:08] the board. The chair will now entertain a motion that we adopt is that revised
[27:13] guideline.
[27:20] Anyone?
[27:20] I'll do. I motion to adopt the revised ARB Design Guidelines as presented today with the facts that it is in line with the Secretary of the Interior's requirements and has been reviewed by the city and ARB throughout the previous health lunch and lunch.
[27:41] That's second.
[27:42] Second.
[27:43] Okay.
[27:43] Any unreadance.
[27:45] Any unreadance.
[27:47] Okay.
[27:47] All those in favor that we know about show of hands, motion, care, thank you so very much.
[27:54] As we continue our work.
[27:57] The agenda is afternoon.
[27:59] We have at least one guest.
[28:01] I believe in audience.
[28:03] So would you like to approach the microphone and say something 35 or 65 seconds?
[28:15] If you like, you can make it nine and five seconds.
[28:18] No one will keep it all before dinner.
[28:21] Thank you for recognizing me.
[28:23] Can you give us your name?
[28:24] Yeah, my name is Matthew Ruffka.
[28:26] I live here in Montgomery.
[28:28] You raise a really interesting point about how the historic districts haven't been revisited
[28:33] since 1987.
[28:36] I'm sure that we have a difference in what the historic
[28:39] in Montgomery, Alabama are now than we did back then.
[28:44] And I'm wondering what this committee would be interested in doing
[28:47] to potentially address some of those issues that probably stem from that.
[28:56] There you go.
[28:57] Thoughts.
[28:58] We just might have a question.
[29:00] Come in.
[29:00] I'd like to make it.
[29:02] Well, one, thank you for coming up.
[29:06] And that's actually been something that we have revisited recently
[29:09] with a few new members, including myself, that we do plan to pursue in the next coming year and developing a strategic plan to do.
[29:20] So we've spoken with Sean over the last several meetings.
[29:23] And so it is on the radar to begin next steps.
[29:26] Good.
[29:28] Anyone else?
[29:30] Well, I was going to say, if you're familiar with city ordinance, that created Historic Preservation
[29:37] Commission in the ARB and the designation process, it has been, what did we say 25 years
[29:42] since there has been a historic district designated.
[29:47] Sean is working on something that's almost ready to flop and South Africa, you have
[29:52] I knew the South-Hall Street historic district, but the process was very...
[30:00] I want you to listen on user friendly, that kind of thing. It evolved over the last 25 years to something a little more user friendly.
[30:07] So that I think with the south hall district, it'll kind of be kickstarted.
[30:13] But there is a pretty lengthy process of survey work that has to go before things are just designated.
[30:20] Yeah, for sure.
[30:21] Mr. Ruffman, can I ask is there a particular area that you have in mind?
[30:25] No, not at all.
[30:29] You have a question for the comment.
[30:32] Is it okay?
[30:33] Yeah, I'll just add that as Carol mentioned, you know, I'm looking at what would be essentially
[30:39] our first new historic district, basically in over 20 years, 2001, it is when Cloverdo
[30:47] Idle Wild was designated and so, but it actually also mentioned it requires an architectural
[30:53] survey that has to meet the guidelines of the Alabama Historic Commission and I'm qualified
[30:59] to do that, but I've got a lot of other responsibilities managing two different public boards
[31:05] and just a lot of different things.
[31:08] The design review each month that comes in on applications, but then one of the other projects
[31:14] that I have is a grant-funded project to research one of our local historic districts,
[31:23] one
[31:23] So my thought of sort of thought process is to get that one done and kind of set that up as like a template here's how we would do this moving forward
[31:34] And then essentially prioritize and like okay, what is the most important?
[31:40] And so that this district that I'm working on the grant forward in my opinion is the most important one that needs a reservay
[31:49] because it doesn't, we don't have any side inventory forms for it really at all, so that's, so in my opinion it's the most important ones I'm doing that one first and then I'll kind of go through the other ones as time, you know, permits and as we get things, you know, moving and sort of off the ground of being a little bit stagnant. So, yeah, anyway, thanks for your comment, I hope that helps.
[32:16] Sir, thank you guys.
[32:18] Thank you, sir. Please come again.
[32:20] Okay.
[32:21] All right. As we come to a close,
[32:24] we have to start.
[32:26] You got everything.
[32:27] Okay.
[32:30] I'm sorry.
[32:33] Give us your name, please.
[32:35] Oh, don't come. Please.
[32:41] Good afternoon.
[32:43] I had a couple of questions for Sean.
[32:44] One about the local historic districts is that a process that could be that you guys could have an internship with the local one of the local colleges to have an intern learn or be involved a history student
[33:01] be involved in that process because then that way we can help start training some students on how to do this survey.
[33:09] Yes, I mean I've got multiple things that I could put an answer on to and be productive and also get them training and you know.
[33:21] But I'm saying that they get college credit for it. So to work with the college, develop some kind of process program where they would also get college credit.
[33:29] I'm not just talking paid, but I'm saying to develop some kind of program where there's
[33:33] to do ASU Fisher program, Huntington, somebody's history program where you can start kind
[33:40] of fun on students into learning how this process works.
[33:44] Yeah, maybe I don't know the touch of the U.S.
[33:46] That's it.
[33:47] I'm all for it.
[33:49] In terms of a formal adoption of that type of structure, obviously we would have to have
[33:55] framework from whatever college or university that would be interested in adopting that
[34:03] type of program. When it comes to funding, obviously, the budget has to be in consideration.
[34:07] It has to be something that we plan for. Now, if it's an agreement where it's unpaid and the
[34:13] payment is or the compensation is the credit that would still have to be something that will
[34:18] have to go through our internal processes of being approved. I think that is something that
[34:22] be plausible, but it just has the follow-up procedures in terms of getting adopted.
[34:27] But like I said, in terms of payment, it has to be approved.
[34:30] The planning department does have a space for a planning intern, but currently that position
[34:35] is not funded.
[34:36] Now, the mayor offers the mayor's internship program on a yearly basis, so whenever a student
[34:43] comes into the program to say that they're part of that mayor's internship, they can absolutely
[34:49] saying like we had one this year and it was wonderful pipe hands six
[34:52] interns actually and there was one specifically that saying they wanted to work
[34:56] within the planning department so you you're more than welcome to go through
[35:00] that establish process because that framework is already there and if you are
[35:04] selected and approved all you have to do is specify I want to work in the
[35:09] planning department it's based off of department not necessarily division but
[35:13] absolutely it can go that way and we wouldn't have to go through any extra
[35:17] procedures in terms of formulaing that because that program is in existence.
[35:23] The other question I had was, well, comment, follow-up to that is that that could be something,
[35:29] you know, I'm with the National Part Service, and we have grants, and that could be a grant-funded
[35:35] thing in terms of an internship through a part service grant to hire interns to do this kind
[35:42] of survey work or at least learn the survey process.
[35:47] And then my other question, of course, you already know what I'm getting ready to ask.
[35:51] So, Carbapart and Mobile Heights, the survey in the National Register nomination,
[36:00] that was funded through the National Park Service, any updates on that project?
[36:04] Yeah, the, so I've finished a first draft of the RFP and I have someone in our grants department,
[36:13] reviewing it, she reviewed this other grant I've just mentioned and so I'm just waiting
[36:20] on her feedback and once I get that we'll go through a procurement and move forward
[36:26] Basically with RFP. So yeah, so that's where we are.
[36:33] Okay, thank you. Okay, they have one more person in the audience, so I would like to make a comment, feel free, there's no charge.
[36:44] So the bus team?
[36:45] Just want to please come back, please come back, please come back, we will welcome your attendance.
[36:51] To our other commissioners here, is anyone there to think going on in the back to the front of the body?
[36:56] Yes, they're going here.
[36:57] I think a couple of things what Ms. Walker was talking about.
[37:01] I think that can be a topic for the Education Committee in terms of interns,
[37:05] like sort of startup, like what does that look like and have a conversation with
[37:09] Ms. Miles as a part of the Education Committee?
[37:14] Yeah, I agree with it. And I think we'll put the approval of the new guidelines.
[37:20] There's a great element there to do some work with the Neighborhood Association.
[37:23] So I'd love to have that dialogue.
[37:25] Okay, any one else has anything coming up like
[37:30] I'd like to bring to our attention before we leave the scene.
[37:34] I'm convinced you mentioned the, I don't know if you want to talk about the section 106.
[37:40] Yeah, I am trying to pull it up on my phone.
[37:44] And I'm just going to read verbatim. It's from the National Trust.
[37:50] And it's section 106. And it says it's under threat.
[37:54] and it's kind of long and I'll just sort of skip the round.
[38:01] The advisory council on historic preservation, ACHP,
[38:05] is a vance and a sweeping and damaging proposal to rewrite the regulation
[38:09] for Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act.
[38:14] If implemented, these new rules would dramatically diminish the effectiveness of
[38:18] of NHPA and the current legal protections for historic and cultural places, since an
[38:25] actment of NHPA 60 years ago, Section 106 has been the foundational requirement for
[38:31] federal agencies to take into account the effects of their actions on historic properties
[38:36] and places, enabling public participation in common in the process, empowering state and
[38:42] local governments and tribal communities to have a voice in the process and often improving
[38:48] the project and enhance in the outcome.
[38:51] These new regulations will lead to more delays and more
[38:54] litigation as federal agencies and applicants
[38:57] try to navigate compliance without the well-known
[39:01] and well-used consultation process,
[39:04] which often leads to negotiated win-win outcomes.
[39:08] The preservation community, now partners across the country
[39:11] are mobilizing to fight its harmful proposal.
[39:15] So, you ask, what can you do, write your governor to share how these changes impact historic
[39:23] properties in your location, write to your members of Congress, and consider contact in
[39:28] the district office during the August recess to make your voice heard.
[39:33] And then you just send the National Trust examples of Section 106 consultations that benefited
[39:39] your community.
[39:40] So, I just wanted to put that out there because it is important and something I think
[39:48] that as a board, and certainly that we can share with the community as we talk about
[39:53] preservation that we need to be aware of, as well as the general public.
[39:59] Okay.
[40:00] Thank you very much.
[40:01] Anyone else?
[40:02] I was going to just comment on what Vincent said, you know,
[40:06] one of six we kind of think it's historic structures, a built-in
[40:09] environment, but it also has to do with landscapes, you know,
[40:16] historic areas of ground space,
[40:19] big red kind of.
[40:20] Yes, cemeteries, prehistoric, you know,
[40:24] painting that kind of thing.
[40:25] So it's not just, they're not looking just at
[40:29] of historic structures as cultural resources to document it to say it also has to do with other types of environmental.
[40:37] Yeah, and thank you for pointing that out, Carol.
[40:39] You know, just to give a little bit more context.
[40:43] The section one of six is a very what to the public is like super obscure in my opinion.
[40:49] It's section one of six of the National Historic Preservation Act.
[40:53] A lot of people in the field just call it section one of six,
[40:56] But that may not be known to the general public, so just want to put that out there, you know, what it what it actually goes to the Section 106 is a section of this federal law, and what it essentially is therefore is for any time when a federal agency is going to spend money
[41:16] that's called undertaking and before they go through and undertaking they have to
[41:22] consider the impacts on historic resources. This is a key part of the National
[41:27] Historic Preservation Act and has had many great projects. I've only dealt with it
[41:35] a few times since grad school. We had a whole seminar on section 106 and how it
[41:41] How to go through the process and all of those things and the changes in my professional opinion are going to be there the very bad
[41:49] It would allow for the federal agency itself to determine
[41:55] Whether consultation needs to take place. I mean, that's that's not really the spirit of the wall
[42:00] It's it's meant to have this consultation and it's being, you know
[42:07] disparaged as anti-development or whatever, when some of the numbers of the national
[42:12] trust has put out, is that in other professionals in the field, is there some like
[42:18] one to two percent, maybe even less than that a half of a percent of adverse findings
[42:23] or adverse impacts, that most projects go through this process and there's not this,
[42:31] long delay or whatever, because of the, because of the one of its process, it's actually
[42:37] more so that the sort of federal reviewers may be over, you know, overworked or whatever,
[42:43] can't get to it in time, and all of those kind of bureaucratic, red tape things that happen
[42:49] in the federal government.
[42:51] So I'll kind of leave my comments at that, but I just wanted to add a little bit more
[42:55] context, National Historic Preservation Act, is essentially this very key portion of it is basically
[43:02] being rewritten at the time.
[43:06] And so I'm one of the most notable ones that my Gumbrian will know, as it results in
[43:12] one of six review, is if I pick a house on court street at Mildred, where Montgomery County
[43:17] Historical Societies is located when they were expanding the federal court house in court
[43:24] straight there, and the examining around what cultural resources were there, they came upon the
[43:30] Sandy Bellen House, sitting right at Clayton Street in court street and said, you know,
[43:36] you got to do something with it. And it, you know, it got moved, but it got saved. And
[43:42] Montgomery County Historical Society stepped to the play and it got moved and restored to
[43:48] blocks up. And it is now working a Bible part of the historic community. So that's probably
[43:53] of the bigger projects. It's happened. I've been saved in other words here in the city of Montgomery.
[44:00] In the Vustation right there at that whole corner in Fort Street, Clayton Street.
[44:04] It just didn't have to be moved.
[44:06] Yeah, so that's the...
[44:07] But it lost a lot of...
[44:09] It's lost a lot of it's integrity.
[44:12] Yeah, that's the...
[44:14] The Greyhound Vustation on South Court Street.
[44:17] Freedom was what we're referencing, you know, the Freedom Rides.
[44:20] What is now the Freedom Rides?
[44:21] So it's actually a little thick study of that structure, where it is, yeah.
[44:26] That's good information.
[44:34] So National Trust for Historic Preservation,
[44:37] they will have a webinar tomorrow.
[44:41] Anyone who's interested who's listening, you can go to the National Trust's website,
[44:45] and I believe there's like a registration form.
[44:50] It's a free webinar.
[44:52] basically people discussing, you know, the impacts of this change and ways to, you know, perhaps.
[45:00] You know, give public comment, like there will have to have the public comment period, and yeah, anyways. So there's a webinar tomorrow for that.
[45:12] Good enough. Let me thank everybody for coming out this evening.
[45:16] The next scheduled meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission is Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 6.5.30 p.m.
[45:25] and I wish each and every one of you a very, very happy, like, ladies, me to see you by adjourned.