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>>> good morning, everyone. It's

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january

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22nd and we're starting our planning

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board

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meeting. The first item this morning

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is

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adoption of a resolutions. The first

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three

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all can vote on

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except commissioner hedrick and those

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three

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are willgis to north

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park site plan, preliminary plan and

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forest conservation plan, these are

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all

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resolutions. Do I have a motion for

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approval.

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>> I move to approve these

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resolutions.

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>> all in favor. >> yea. >> yea.

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>> yeas have it

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4-0-1. I want to

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mention commissioner linden is virtual.

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the

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next is approval of minutes. All commissioners

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can vote.

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three this morning, the minutes of

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january 8th,

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the minutes of january 15th and the

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closed session minutes

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of january 15th. Do I have a motion

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for approval of these three

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board minutes?

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>> move to approve

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the minutes.

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>> I second. >> all in

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favor yea.

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>> yeas have it 5-0. Next other

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preliminary matters. This

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is the

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mpf --montgomery

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parks foundation board new nominee

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brooks hanson,

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staff is recommending approval of

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mr.

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hanson's addition to the board.

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do I have a motion for approval.

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>>

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I move

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to approve.

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>>

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I second.

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>> all in favor. >> yea.

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>> yea.

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>> yeas have it 5-0.

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the next we have three record plats this

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morning. Where staff

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is recommending all three to be approved.

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the first subdivision plat

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2-2025-90 bradley hill

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section hill. Second plat number

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2-2026-0330, section

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3 chevy chase and the last subdivision

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plat

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2-2026-0450 stratmore view. Do I have

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approval

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of these three plats.

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>> move to approve

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the

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record plats.

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>> second. >> all in

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favor.

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>> yea. >> yea. >>

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the yeas have it. 5-0. The

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next we have our roundtable

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discussion with parks director. Welcome.

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director?

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>> good morning. Thank

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you. So for today's park's director

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roundtable we

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are going to do a little

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bit of a athleticathletic field program

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overview. It's one of

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our recurring

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occasional roundtable

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takeovers. So

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I'm going hand this over to our

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athletic field program manager so they

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can give

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you an overview.

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>> good morning.

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>> good morning. >> for the record

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matt folden

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park implementation planning. Pleased to

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be

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here this morning to share information

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about our athletic field system and

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just

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the overall impressive

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size, variety

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and quality of the system. I had

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the privilege this morning of being

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here with mr. Carl weber and this

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is his first presentation to the planning

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board. Carl has over

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22 years of experience in

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turf management including 13 years

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with montgomery parks. The first ten

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years of his

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service at parks were spent in

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operations where he was responsible for

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the specialized care and management

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of

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our athletic fields and for the last

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three years he's been on the additive

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side of

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the department focused on the strategies

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and policies associated with athletic

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fields.

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carl has a degree in crop and soil

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environmental

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science with a focus in turf

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management from virginia tech and

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in his spare

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time he's a youth soccer coach. He's

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truly

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an expert on all sides related

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to athletic fields. Actually, sorry [ inaudible

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]. Thank you. The purpose of the presentation

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this morning is just to

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familiarize the board with our athletic

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field system ahead of

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the upcoming discussion on the athletic

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use policy on february

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5 and during the discussion we'll

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provide an overview on

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how exceptional our park and

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athletic field system is and touch on

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the capacity

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issues we face with the athletic field

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and conclude withwith questions and

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discussion. As we get started

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here I want to emphasize the

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importance of the 2022 plan and with regard

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to athletic

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fields, pros direct staff to support

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physical

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activity by providing a variety of

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athletic fields that

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feel welcoming for all.

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athletic fields fulfill two of three

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of pros which include physical activity and

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social connectivity

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and with that it's my pleasure to

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turn it over to carl.

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>> for

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the record my name is carl

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webber, for montgomery parks and our

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planning

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and stewardship division. Today I'm

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representing a

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large staff that work on athletic

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fields in montgomery parks

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anywhere from cutting the grass to

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planning new

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athletic fields. We have two operations divisions

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that do all of

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our general maintenance operations

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on our fields

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and we have an in-house athletic field

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renovation team. We have

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a park development division that does all

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athletic field construction, park

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project managers, construction

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managers and inspectors. Permit office

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that works

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on per milting our athletic

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fields and work with our youth groups

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and support staff our

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gis and data team help us a lot with

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our planning of

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athletic fields. How do we invest

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all this staff into athletic fields.

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because we're trying to achieve

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our mission of providing areas for

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physical activity and social connectivity

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to our communities. We all

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know the benefits of physical activity you

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have better physical

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health, better mental health, and

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it's

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with students proven to be better

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for

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academic achievement.

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getting social skills for our communities

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at an

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age where everybody is glued to screens

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it's great to get

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outout socialize with your friends

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and other community members.

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. We track our trends so team sports

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have increased by 2. 5% last

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year to and all time

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high, so team sports are growing and

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we have to

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be cognizant of that and provide

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that opportunity four our communities.

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I'm going to talk about our system

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and thank jane our

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research and data planner for these

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maps

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you'll see today but we have 312 athletic

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fields throughout our system and we

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offer a wide range of fields.

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we have a lot of

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rectangle, softball a lot of baseball

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fields and we have eight

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cricket fields in our community, too.

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if you look

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at the map a lot of our field are

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and east county along

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the 270 corridor.

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we don't have anything in the

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municipalities. Of those 312 fields we

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some fields what we call overlay fields

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sites. It's where when we were planning

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we didn't have enough room

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or we wanted to save some space

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and, you know, kind of have one

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area share space

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with --so we have two fields that

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share a space. In this diagram you

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can see you can

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play softball or soccer.

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so although we have 312 fields and

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have one time only 279 can be permanent at one time.

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. We're going to be talk about capacity

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this presentation and one way we can

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increase capacity is through lighting

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the fields. You can see

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them with the

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yellow indication. We are installing lights

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at damascus and we will be adding

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to more. We have, you know, we have

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fields we can permit after it

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goes. That's an important feature once

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it goes and especially in

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the fall we

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only have 28 opportunities for

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outdoor athletics. We have

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27 irrigated fields. This helps with

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our maintenance. It

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helps with regrowing of the grass.

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very beneficial for the

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quality of our fields.

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so we divide our fields

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up into different

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classifications. We have any classifications.

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we have our practice game field, game-only

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fields and synthetic turf fields.

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practice game fields are our most

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abundant fields

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and typically in our local parks.

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they are lower end maintenance because we

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have so many of

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them. You can permit

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them for practices or games. They can

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be used with aa or walk on

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and use them. They are our most economical

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field at $10 an hour.

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our game-only fields

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receive a higher end maintenance,

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they're typically in a

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regional recreational parks, they're

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for game only and they do require

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permit to use. They're

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typically fenced and they are slightly

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year-round synthetic

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turf fields.

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grooming, texting. You can permit them

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ar games. They require permits. All

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of our synthetic turf fields are lighted.

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and they

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are more expensive at $110 an hour.

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>> I will talk more about our

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maintenance standards and what we

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try to achieve every

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year with our maintenance staff. So we

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have a high maintenance

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standard that we try to achieve, and this

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is a

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big undertaking for

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312 fields.

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we sometimes have trouble reaching

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this undertaking because of

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weather and staffing issues but these

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are high

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expectations we set for ourselves.

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as you can see our game only fields

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get

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higher maintenance

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than our practice only fields with

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mowing and field

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maintenance and lighting. We do cultural

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practices with aeration which helps

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water and

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air get to the root system.

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overseeding which helps with turf

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density.

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nutrient management that help feed

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the plants so they can recover from wear and tear and

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grow better.

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they get

328
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a lot of use. We

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had in 2024 over 134,000 hours of

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permits.

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that's averaging over two

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hours of field per day over our

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nine-month season that's a lot of

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hours.

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we're averaging

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431 hours across all of our fields.

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our practice game fields get 400 hours of

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use

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of permits. Game-only fields with

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lights are

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averaging close to 500. When we

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add lights to our game-only

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fields that increases close to 900

344
00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,376
hours. Our

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year-

346
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round synthetic turf fields get

347
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00 hours of permit play. One thing

348
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we

349
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don't capture is walk on

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play which are practice game fields you

351
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see and we've done

352
00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:36,363
camera studies that say there is a

353
00:21:36,363 --> 00:21:37,364
substantial amount of walk on play on

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our fields. Even

355
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though her on the end of permitting

356
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hours

357
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they support walk on play which is

358
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a

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contributor to our communities. We

360
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also

361
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have a lot of users. Here's a small sampling

362
00:21:49,376 --> 00:21:51,376
of

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00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:55,382
our users. We have a lot

364
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of government

365
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agencies which isis county recreation

366
00:22:00,387 --> 00:22:01,388
which we work with. We have montgomery

367
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county public schools

368
00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:04,391
and large organizations and small

369
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organizations that

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provide recreation to our community.

371
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we have a lot

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of long established leagues and a lot

373
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of start-up leagues.

374
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in 2024 we had

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over 700 accounts permit

376
00:22:22,376 --> 00:22:23,377
times with us. From individuals to

377
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groups.

378
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third-party stakeholders involved

379
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in sports in

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the county. Montgomery county established

381
00:22:28,382 --> 00:22:30,382
the

382
00:22:30,384 --> 00:22:31,385
sports advisory committee over two

383
00:22:31,385 --> 00:22:33,785
years ago and they

384
00:22:34,388 --> 00:22:36,390
are very involved in trying

385
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to create better opportunities for

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00:22:37,391 --> 00:22:39,391
youth

387
00:22:39,393 --> 00:22:40,394
sports in the county. They're made up

388
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of a

389
00:22:42,362 --> 00:22:43,363
diverse group of 17 members and we've

390
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been working

391
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with them for the past

392
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two years and we look forward to continuing

393
00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:51,369
contributions with them.

394
00:22:58,378 --> 00:22:59,379
as we're going towards the latter part

395
00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:00,380
of

396
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:01,381
this presentation I do want to talk about

397
00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,781
what keeps me up

398
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,385
at night, what are our

399
00:23:05,385 --> 00:23:07,387
problems, what areas do we think we

400
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:09,787
can improve on. One

401
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:13,393
thing I think about a lot is

402
00:23:13,393 --> 00:23:14,361
our capacity. And how many hours a

403
00:23:14,361 --> 00:23:16,361
field

404
00:23:16,363 --> 00:23:18,363
can handle.

405
00:23:18,365 --> 00:23:19,366
and I think this is two different

406
00:23:19,366 --> 00:23:21,368
thoughts because I think diamond fields

407
00:23:21,368 --> 00:23:22,369
are different than rectangle fields

408
00:23:22,369 --> 00:23:24,369
and we're going

409
00:23:25,372 --> 00:23:28,372
to talk about capacity and

410
00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:30,375
wear patterns

411
00:23:30,377 --> 00:23:31,378
kind of one in the same and if you

412
00:23:31,378 --> 00:23:34,381
look at a diamond field you

413
00:23:34,381 --> 00:23:37,384
can see the diagram on the

414
00:23:37,384 --> 00:23:40,387
left most of the players are on

415
00:23:40,387 --> 00:23:41,388
the dirt and, you know, there's not

416
00:23:41,388 --> 00:23:42,389
a lot

417
00:23:42,389 --> 00:23:43,390
of wear in the satellite photo because

418
00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:45,392
a lot of the play is on

419
00:23:45,392 --> 00:23:46,393
the dirt. If you mess up the dirt

420
00:23:46,393 --> 00:23:48,362
with a proper machine

421
00:23:48,362 --> 00:23:49,363
in a couple hours you can fix it.

422
00:23:49,363 --> 00:23:50,364
you can see

423
00:23:50,364 --> 00:23:52,366
the wear pattern on the satellite

424
00:23:52,366 --> 00:23:54,368
image and see a little bit of

425
00:23:54,368 --> 00:23:55,369
wear out in front of the dugout, a little

426
00:23:55,369 --> 00:23:58,369
bit of wear from the

427
00:23:58,372 --> 00:24:00,372
pitcher's mound to

428
00:24:01,375 --> 00:24:03,375
home plate,

429
00:24:04,378 --> 00:24:07,378
occasionally you'll get wear in

430
00:24:07,381 --> 00:24:09,383
the outfield where the

431
00:24:09,383 --> 00:24:12,983
outfielders stand. You can see all

432
00:24:13,387 --> 00:24:15,389
22 players are on the field.

433
00:24:15,389 --> 00:24:16,390
this is true for soccer, football,

434
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:18,390
lacrosse. You

435
00:24:19,393 --> 00:24:21,793
can see there's major

436
00:24:22,362 --> 00:24:23,363
wear problems in the center. And we're

437
00:24:23,363 --> 00:24:24,364
starting

438
00:24:24,364 --> 00:24:25,365
to see this more and more throughout.

439
00:24:25,365 --> 00:24:27,365
our communities

440
00:24:28,368 --> 00:24:31,968
our fields are used more often.

441
00:24:34,374 --> 00:24:37,377
we've had some failures and, you know,

442
00:24:37,377 --> 00:24:39,377
we've renovated

443
00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:41,381
some fields. What we call love to

444
00:24:41,381 --> 00:24:42,382
death.

445
00:24:42,382 --> 00:24:43,383
it's because we have these fields

446
00:24:43,383 --> 00:24:45,383
and

447
00:24:46,386 --> 00:24:47,387
this highly densely communities and

448
00:24:47,387 --> 00:24:49,387
everybody flocks

449
00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:52,392
to them when we open them and they're

450
00:24:52,392 --> 00:24:55,362
just used an awful lot.

451
00:24:55,362 --> 00:24:57,364
so we're studying this because

452
00:24:57,364 --> 00:24:58,365
we want to improve and we know we

453
00:24:58,365 --> 00:25:00,365
can't have this.

454
00:25:01,368 --> 00:25:02,369
this is not what we're striving towards.

455
00:25:02,369 --> 00:25:04,369
we're throwing out

456
00:25:04,371 --> 00:25:05,372
some new ideas and trying some new

457
00:25:05,372 --> 00:25:06,373
things and

458
00:25:06,373 --> 00:25:07,374
we're resting some of our game only

459
00:25:07,374 --> 00:25:09,374
fields during the

460
00:25:10,377 --> 00:25:13,380
week to help let them recover.

461
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:14,381
we're extending our establishment

462
00:25:14,381 --> 00:25:16,381
period longer

463
00:25:16,383 --> 00:25:17,384
so that maybe the grass has better

464
00:25:17,384 --> 00:25:19,784
time to establish and

465
00:25:20,387 --> 00:25:21,388
really handle the wear.

466
00:25:21,388 --> 00:25:23,390
and then we're also looking at new products and technologies to

467
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:25,790
better manage our grass.

468
00:25:29,363 --> 00:25:30,364
this brings us

469
00:25:30,364 --> 00:25:32,366
to basically our major case study

470
00:25:32,366 --> 00:25:34,366
which is

471
00:25:34,368 --> 00:25:35,369
hillendale. This is a state-of-the-

472
00:25:35,369 --> 00:25:37,369
art field natural

473
00:25:37,371 --> 00:25:40,374
grass field. We built this with drainage.

474
00:25:40,374 --> 00:25:41,375
irrigation. It's got bermuda grass.

475
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:43,375
it's

476
00:25:44,378 --> 00:25:47,378
got a sand-based system. This

477
00:25:47,381 --> 00:25:49,781
field was opened in

478
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:53,384
2024. And that first year got

479
00:25:53,387 --> 00:25:55,787
over 900 hours of permitted

480
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:58,790
use. So at the

481
00:25:59,393 --> 00:26:00,394
end of 2024, we

482
00:26:00,394 --> 00:26:02,362
determined the field needed to be

483
00:26:02,362 --> 00:26:03,363
renovated.

484
00:26:03,363 --> 00:26:05,365
renovated it southern region in the

485
00:26:05,365 --> 00:26:07,765
spring and summer of 2025,

486
00:26:08,368 --> 00:26:11,371
the picture on the left is the

487
00:26:11,371 --> 00:26:13,373
renvated field. We've been monitoring

488
00:26:13,373 --> 00:26:14,374
it because we want to know what's

489
00:26:14,374 --> 00:26:15,375
going on

490
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:17,377
and you can see the picture on the

491
00:26:17,377 --> 00:26:19,377
right

492
00:26:19,379 --> 00:26:20,380
november at the end of the season.

493
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:22,380
it was

494
00:26:23,383 --> 00:26:25,385
open for 79 days. It got

495
00:26:25,385 --> 00:26:26,386
370 hours of permitted play. That's

496
00:26:26,386 --> 00:26:28,386
averaging

497
00:26:29,389 --> 00:26:31,389
about 4. 7 hours

498
00:26:31,391 --> 00:26:32,392
of permitted play a day. We did a

499
00:26:32,392 --> 00:26:33,393
camera study during that

500
00:26:33,393 --> 00:26:35,362
time. It was getting an additional

501
00:26:35,362 --> 00:26:37,364
two hours of walk-on play.

502
00:26:37,364 --> 00:26:38,365
this field was getting close to seven

503
00:26:38,365 --> 00:26:40,365
hours of

504
00:26:41,368 --> 00:26:42,369
play a day. These natural grass fields

505
00:26:42,369 --> 00:26:43,370
are

506
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:44,371
living systems, right, so they're

507
00:26:44,371 --> 00:26:46,771
just being worn down.

508
00:26:47,374 --> 00:26:49,374
this

509
00:26:50,377 --> 00:26:53,380
one's holding up wellwell and holding

510
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:54,381
up well because we're going above our

511
00:26:54,381 --> 00:26:56,383
maintenance standards. We're invested

512
00:26:56,383 --> 00:26:59,386
in this field going above our game

513
00:26:59,386 --> 00:27:00,387
level field even though this is a practice

514
00:27:00,387 --> 00:27:02,389
game field. We're committed to this

515
00:27:02,389 --> 00:27:04,391
field but it's just

516
00:27:04,391 --> 00:27:05,392
showing a lot of wear. It's great

517
00:27:05,392 --> 00:27:07,392
to

518
00:27:08,362 --> 00:27:11,365
track it and we're looking forward to opening it in

519
00:27:11,365 --> 00:27:13,367
the spring and seeing what it looks

520
00:27:13,367 --> 00:27:14,368
like and how it held up. It's amazing how much play our

521
00:27:14,368 --> 00:27:16,368
fields get.

522
00:27:20,374 --> 00:27:23,374
that really brings us to

523
00:27:23,377 --> 00:27:26,377
a conclusion here is that

524
00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:28,380
although 98% of our

525
00:27:28,382 --> 00:27:29,383
residents are within a 20-minute drive

526
00:27:29,383 --> 00:27:30,384
of an athletic field how

527
00:27:30,384 --> 00:27:32,386
many people are competing for that

528
00:27:32,386 --> 00:27:35,389
field at one time. This is

529
00:27:35,389 --> 00:27:38,392
a population map and you can

530
00:27:38,392 --> 00:27:41,361
see there's some heat centers of

531
00:27:41,361 --> 00:27:42,362
highly dense populated areas and there's

532
00:27:42,362 --> 00:27:43,363
a lot

533
00:27:43,363 --> 00:27:44,364
of competition for our fields because

534
00:27:44,364 --> 00:27:46,364
there's

535
00:27:47,367 --> 00:27:50,367
a lot of competition for

536
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:53,370
any space in these parts.

537
00:27:53,373 --> 00:27:55,375
so, you know, this

538
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:56,376
is where we struggle. So this is why

539
00:27:56,376 --> 00:27:59,379
it's important in the next couple

540
00:27:59,379 --> 00:28:00,380
weeks, february 5th we're going to

541
00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:02,380
come

542
00:28:02,382 --> 00:28:03,383
with you for an athletic permit policy

543
00:28:03,383 --> 00:28:05,385
as we bring to

544
00:28:05,385 --> 00:28:07,387
you a new policy to help permit our

545
00:28:07,387 --> 00:28:08,388
fields and we're looking to bring a donation

546
00:28:08,388 --> 00:28:10,788
policy later on in 2026.

547
00:28:17,364 --> 00:28:19,366
that's all I have. For

548
00:28:19,366 --> 00:28:20,367
questions and thank you for your time.

549
00:28:20,367 --> 00:28:22,367
>> mr. Weber did

550
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:26,370
a great job. Thank you.

551
00:28:26,373 --> 00:28:28,373
it's very

552
00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:31,376
informative to

553
00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:35,382
know how many we have and the

554
00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:36,383
challenges of maintaining them and

555
00:28:36,383 --> 00:28:38,383
the

556
00:28:38,385 --> 00:28:41,385
demand for them. We look

557
00:28:41,388 --> 00:28:42,389
forward to your policy that's coming

558
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:44,391
up and just one quick

559
00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:47,391
question. Do you have a

560
00:28:47,394 --> 00:28:50,364
sense of over the next few

561
00:28:50,364 --> 00:28:52,764
years how many fields

562
00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:56,370
will likely come on board that would

563
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,370
add onto the

564
00:28:58,372 --> 00:28:59,373
312 that you have today?

565
00:28:59,373 --> 00:29:00,374
>> a total

566
00:29:00,374 --> 00:29:01,375
number but

567
00:29:01,375 --> 00:29:02,376
we're looking at a couple projects

568
00:29:02,376 --> 00:29:05,379
to add at least a couple more

569
00:29:05,379 --> 00:29:06,380
fields.

570
00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:07,381
>> great. Thank you. Do we

571
00:29:07,381 --> 00:29:08,382
have any questions or

572
00:29:08,382 --> 00:29:09,383
comments from the other board?

573
00:29:09,383 --> 00:29:11,783
>> I have a comment.

574
00:29:12,386 --> 00:29:14,386
>>

575
00:29:14,388 --> 00:29:15,389
so, thank you very much. I know for

576
00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:17,389
fact that --and

577
00:29:18,392 --> 00:29:20,392
I learned it

578
00:29:20,394 --> 00:29:24,364
actually, that turf is a science and

579
00:29:24,364 --> 00:29:27,367
it takes a lot to put to

580
00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:28,368
have a good turf during the

581
00:29:28,368 --> 00:29:30,370
construction. That was one of our

582
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:32,370
biggest

583
00:29:33,373 --> 00:29:35,773
challenges to get turf.

584
00:29:36,376 --> 00:29:37,377
one thing that I think it would

585
00:29:37,377 --> 00:29:39,379
be interesting for the board members what

586
00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:41,379
is the

587
00:29:42,382 --> 00:29:44,382
cost? It's not

588
00:29:45,385 --> 00:29:47,785
cheap. The cost of

589
00:29:48,388 --> 00:29:50,390
the maintenance and also

590
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:51,391
construction of these fields. You

591
00:29:51,391 --> 00:29:53,391
know,

592
00:29:54,394 --> 00:29:56,363
you just showed one

593
00:29:56,363 --> 00:29:57,364
example that you renovate how much

594
00:29:57,364 --> 00:29:59,364
it

595
00:30:00,367 --> 00:30:03,367
take, the cost and time,

596
00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:05,370
to

597
00:30:05,372 --> 00:30:06,373
renovate, and, you know, within a

598
00:30:06,373 --> 00:30:08,373
season it

599
00:30:09,376 --> 00:30:11,378
could go down. I totally

600
00:30:11,378 --> 00:30:12,379
understand and that's why I believe

601
00:30:12,379 --> 00:30:14,379
that we

602
00:30:14,381 --> 00:30:15,382
need someone with very expert eyes

603
00:30:15,382 --> 00:30:17,382
to

604
00:30:18,385 --> 00:30:19,386
see that what

605
00:30:19,386 --> 00:30:21,388
are the best practices and maintenance and

606
00:30:21,388 --> 00:30:23,388
operation

607
00:30:24,391 --> 00:30:26,391
to , you

608
00:30:27,394 --> 00:30:30,364
know, get these investments to

609
00:30:30,364 --> 00:30:33,367
go a little bit longer. It

610
00:30:33,367 --> 00:30:36,367
was really eye opening and

611
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:39,373
interesting to know it's purely a

612
00:30:39,373 --> 00:30:41,375
science. It's very difficult

613
00:30:41,375 --> 00:30:42,376
and extremely difficult and there

614
00:30:42,376 --> 00:30:44,376
are

615
00:30:44,378 --> 00:30:45,379
so many variables not even on our

616
00:30:45,379 --> 00:30:47,379
hand

617
00:30:48,382 --> 00:30:50,384
and I know one of your biggest

618
00:30:50,384 --> 00:30:51,385
variables are the walkers and users

619
00:30:51,385 --> 00:30:53,385
that we

620
00:30:53,387 --> 00:30:54,388
are not tracking. So we really appreciate you

621
00:30:54,388 --> 00:30:56,388
for

622
00:30:56,390 --> 00:30:57,391
you bringing here. It was so nice

623
00:30:57,391 --> 00:30:59,391
to

624
00:30:59,393 --> 00:31:03,363
see you with a different hat back

625
00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:06,366
in here and we miss you on

626
00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:08,368
the other side, but I

627
00:31:08,368 --> 00:31:09,369
think that you are in the right place, and

628
00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:11,769
I'm sure it would

629
00:31:12,372 --> 00:31:14,374
be very rewarding that you have.

630
00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:15,375
if you have some ideas about the costs

631
00:31:15,375 --> 00:31:17,375
if you

632
00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:18,378
could share some information for us.

633
00:31:18,378 --> 00:31:20,378
>>

634
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:21,381
yeah. I don't have that off the top

635
00:31:21,381 --> 00:31:23,381
of

636
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:25,385
my head, but it

637
00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:27,387
definitely varies a lot depending

638
00:31:27,387 --> 00:31:28,388
on what level quality of field you

639
00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:29,389
want

640
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:30,390
to build. I think we spend about a

641
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:33,390
million dollars to build the

642
00:31:33,393 --> 00:31:36,363
field at hillendale and then

643
00:31:36,363 --> 00:31:38,365
also maintenance varies greatly

644
00:31:38,365 --> 00:31:39,366
too. I would say easily --

645
00:31:39,366 --> 00:31:40,367
>> well,

646
00:31:40,367 --> 00:31:42,369
if I may, I

647
00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:43,370
want to add to

648
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:45,372
that, as carl just pointed out I think it

649
00:31:45,372 --> 00:31:48,375
was upwards of a million dollars

650
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:49,376
to renovate that field at hillen dale,

651
00:31:49,376 --> 00:31:51,376
a

652
00:31:51,378 --> 00:31:53,378
local park field,

653
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:54,381
and it was destroyed within the year.

654
00:31:54,381 --> 00:31:55,382
we are

655
00:31:55,382 --> 00:31:57,384
making every effort to bring the field

656
00:31:57,384 --> 00:32:00,387
back and as carl said, we

657
00:32:00,387 --> 00:32:03,387
are investing a lot to

658
00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:04,391
maintain that field. It is a science

659
00:32:04,391 --> 00:32:06,393
and we put a lot of resources into

660
00:32:06,393 --> 00:32:07,394
this, but I think a point that needs to

661
00:32:07,394 --> 00:32:08,362
be

662
00:32:08,362 --> 00:32:09,363
made and want to emphasize to the

663
00:32:09,363 --> 00:32:10,364
board is

664
00:32:10,364 --> 00:32:15,369
that there is only so much you can do

665
00:32:15,369 --> 00:32:17,371
with . Maintenance of a field. Past

666
00:32:17,371 --> 00:32:18,372
a certain point a field cannot take

667
00:32:18,372 --> 00:32:20,374
the level of play

668
00:32:20,374 --> 00:32:21,375
it's getting. We have the permitted

669
00:32:21,375 --> 00:32:23,375
time, but

670
00:32:24,378 --> 00:32:26,380
we also have the walk-on time on local

671
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:27,381
park fields. We don't want to restrict

672
00:32:27,381 --> 00:32:29,381
people from

673
00:32:30,384 --> 00:32:31,385
coming on and using the field, but we

674
00:32:31,385 --> 00:32:33,385
have

675
00:32:33,387 --> 00:32:35,389
to recognize there is no amount of

676
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:36,390
money we could throw at this that

677
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:39,390
would solve the problem of

678
00:32:39,393 --> 00:32:41,393
just not having

679
00:32:42,362 --> 00:32:45,362
the capacity that we need.

680
00:32:45,365 --> 00:32:47,365
>> exactly.

681
00:32:48,368 --> 00:32:50,370
and I totally understand it is a

682
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:54,374
living element in the park and it

683
00:32:54,374 --> 00:32:55,375
needs time to breathe. And I do

684
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,377
not know if we have done any kind

685
00:32:57,377 --> 00:33:00,380
of a study to see --

686
00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:03,383
$1 million is a lot of investment

687
00:33:03,383 --> 00:33:06,386
and in one playing season it

688
00:33:06,386 --> 00:33:08,786
goes, and we are

689
00:33:09,389 --> 00:33:12,389
not collecting permit fees to

690
00:33:12,392 --> 00:33:13,393
even cover a small percentage of this

691
00:33:13,393 --> 00:33:15,362
cost

692
00:33:15,362 --> 00:33:18,362
so that is a pressure

693
00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:20,765
to the operating budget

694
00:33:21,368 --> 00:33:23,768
for parks so I

695
00:33:24,371 --> 00:33:26,373
do not know what is

696
00:33:26,373 --> 00:33:27,374
the on mum time for our parks how

697
00:33:27,374 --> 00:33:29,374
many fields we

698
00:33:30,377 --> 00:33:33,380
need to have or other ways

699
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:34,381
that we could --I do not know if we

700
00:33:34,381 --> 00:33:36,381
have done

701
00:33:36,383 --> 00:33:37,384
that. Is it we have to double our

702
00:33:37,384 --> 00:33:39,384
capacity

703
00:33:39,386 --> 00:33:41,786
or number of fields?

704
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:43,390
because we cannot keep just increasing

705
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:45,390
the

706
00:33:45,392 --> 00:33:46,393
usage because nothing is left.

707
00:33:46,393 --> 00:33:48,362
>> that's

708
00:33:48,362 --> 00:33:49,363
correct. We're going to have to look

709
00:33:49,363 --> 00:33:51,363
at

710
00:33:51,365 --> 00:33:52,366
ways to increase the capacity on the

711
00:33:52,366 --> 00:33:54,366
fields that we

712
00:33:54,368 --> 00:33:55,369
currently have. We are trying to add

713
00:33:55,369 --> 00:33:56,370
more

714
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:57,371
fields. Sometimes it's part of development

715
00:33:57,371 --> 00:33:59,371
projects.

716
00:34:00,374 --> 00:34:02,376
we might get a field, there

717
00:34:02,376 --> 00:34:03,377
might be some other opportunities

718
00:34:03,377 --> 00:34:06,977
to build new fields, but, you

719
00:34:07,381 --> 00:34:08,382
know, there's only so much space

720
00:34:08,382 --> 00:34:10,384
in montgomery county and it's in demand

721
00:34:10,384 --> 00:34:12,386
for a lot of other uses as

722
00:34:12,386 --> 00:34:15,389
you well know. We have to be, I think,

723
00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:18,392
creative in making the best use of

724
00:34:18,392 --> 00:34:19,393
what we have and then also just, you

725
00:34:19,393 --> 00:34:21,393
know,

726
00:34:22,362 --> 00:34:25,362
be willing, as a parks

727
00:34:25,365 --> 00:34:27,365
department,

728
00:34:27,367 --> 00:34:28,368
policymakers, council members, the community

729
00:34:28,368 --> 00:34:30,370
to understand there are

730
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:31,371
tradeoffs and there's only so much

731
00:34:31,371 --> 00:34:33,371
that we

732
00:34:34,374 --> 00:34:36,374
can

733
00:34:37,377 --> 00:34:38,378
do with what we have.

734
00:34:38,378 --> 00:34:40,380
>> actually, commission pedoeem covered

735
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:41,381
a couple things I

736
00:34:41,381 --> 00:34:43,383
was going to ask about particularly

737
00:34:43,383 --> 00:34:46,383
on --what is our upper

738
00:34:46,386 --> 00:34:48,388
range of usage for fields like that?

739
00:34:48,388 --> 00:34:49,389
I mean, I think you pointed out no

740
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:50,390
matter how

741
00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:52,392
much money we throw at it we can't

742
00:34:52,392 --> 00:34:54,392
adjust

743
00:34:54,394 --> 00:34:58,365
for that. What's the upper range for

744
00:34:58,365 --> 00:35:00,365
those fields? Was

745
00:35:00,367 --> 00:35:01,368
hillendale, I remember when it opened

746
00:35:01,368 --> 00:35:04,368
and got a lot of

747
00:35:04,371 --> 00:35:06,373
use. Is that typically

748
00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:09,376
for a newly opened field? Is there

749
00:35:09,376 --> 00:35:11,378
ways we can address the issue there

750
00:35:11,378 --> 00:35:13,380
with maintenance of like increasing

751
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,381
use or synthetics at

752
00:35:14,381 --> 00:35:16,383
the beginning of fields getting high

753
00:35:16,383 --> 00:35:18,383
levels of traffic?

754
00:35:18,385 --> 00:35:19,386
do we have some options along sort of

755
00:35:19,386 --> 00:35:21,386
those lines?

756
00:35:22,389 --> 00:35:24,389
>> I'm

757
00:35:25,392 --> 00:35:26,393
going to let carl address

758
00:35:26,393 --> 00:35:28,362
the question. We have looked at how

759
00:35:28,362 --> 00:35:30,364
much play our fields are

760
00:35:30,364 --> 00:35:31,365
getting versus what they can tolerate

761
00:35:31,365 --> 00:35:33,365
and

762
00:35:33,367 --> 00:35:37,371
those numbers are starting and sobering when

763
00:35:37,371 --> 00:35:39,371
you see

764
00:35:40,374 --> 00:35:42,774
them. So I'll let

765
00:35:43,377 --> 00:35:45,379
them address that. We have

766
00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:46,380
four artificial turf fields in our

767
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:48,382
system out of those fields

768
00:35:48,382 --> 00:35:49,383
you saw. We're committed to grass fields

769
00:35:49,383 --> 00:35:51,383
but they are

770
00:35:51,385 --> 00:35:52,386
an important tool. They can take much

771
00:35:52,386 --> 00:35:54,386
more play

772
00:35:54,388 --> 00:35:55,389
and expand our capacity.

773
00:35:55,389 --> 00:35:56,390
>> that's what I

774
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:58,390
was

775
00:35:58,392 --> 00:35:59,393
curious in certain areas.

776
00:35:59,393 --> 00:36:00,394
>> we're

777
00:36:00,394 --> 00:36:01,395
driving deep and when I say how many

778
00:36:01,395 --> 00:36:03,395
hours can

779
00:36:04,364 --> 00:36:05,365
a field handle. Right now we have rough numbers.

780
00:36:05,365 --> 00:36:06,366
we

781
00:36:06,366 --> 00:36:07,367
think a practice game field can handle

782
00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:09,367
aboutabout 600

783
00:36:09,369 --> 00:36:10,370
hours of permitted play before it

784
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:12,370
starts to deteriorate

785
00:36:12,372 --> 00:36:13,373
and a game only field because it's

786
00:36:13,373 --> 00:36:15,375
controlled and no walk on

787
00:36:15,375 --> 00:36:16,376
play we think about 800 hours. That's

788
00:36:16,376 --> 00:36:18,376
based

789
00:36:18,378 --> 00:36:19,379
on our experience with our current

790
00:36:19,379 --> 00:36:21,379
fields. We

791
00:36:22,382 --> 00:36:24,384
have latonia has two

792
00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:25,385
game only fields rectangles natural

793
00:36:25,385 --> 00:36:27,785
grass that are showing

794
00:36:28,388 --> 00:36:30,390
wear. They are getting about 8

795
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:31,391
hundred hours. So those fields we've kind of

796
00:36:31,391 --> 00:36:33,391
started to rest

797
00:36:33,393 --> 00:36:34,394
one or two days a week to kind of

798
00:36:34,394 --> 00:36:37,364
see if they can recover a little

799
00:36:37,364 --> 00:36:38,365
bit.

800
00:36:38,365 --> 00:36:39,366
>> yeah.

801
00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:40,367
is that something that -- that was another

802
00:36:40,367 --> 00:36:42,767
choice I was going

803
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:45,372
to ask, rotating fields like a

804
00:36:45,372 --> 00:36:46,373
wednesday night off or what's the --

805
00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:48,773
what are some options

806
00:36:49,376 --> 00:36:51,376
for extending

807
00:36:51,378 --> 00:36:52,379
the life of those fields?

808
00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:53,380
>> we're

809
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:54,381
starting to do that

810
00:36:54,381 --> 00:36:55,382
a little bit in our game only fields

811
00:36:55,382 --> 00:36:57,382
but it

812
00:36:58,385 --> 00:37:01,388
does reduce our capacity. It's a

813
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:02,389
give and take. You know, like I said in

814
00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:04,389
the

815
00:37:04,391 --> 00:37:06,393
fields we can contain or control,

816
00:37:06,393 --> 00:37:07,394
we're testing it out, but we're not

817
00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:08,395
looking to do that

818
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:10,364
in our practice fields. They're for

819
00:37:10,364 --> 00:37:13,367
the community and, you know, that's

820
00:37:13,367 --> 00:37:16,367
how we're going for it.

821
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:19,373
>> okay. >> thank you for the presentation.

822
00:37:19,373 --> 00:37:20,374
as, you know, I love parks as I

823
00:37:20,374 --> 00:37:22,376
appreciate the effort and time you put

824
00:37:22,376 --> 00:37:24,376
in to

825
00:37:25,379 --> 00:37:26,380
help maintenance the 12 athletic fields

826
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:28,380
our community

827
00:37:28,382 --> 00:37:31,385
uses. Sports is a great bridge

828
00:37:31,385 --> 00:37:33,785
in connection amongst our

829
00:37:34,388 --> 00:37:36,390
residents and it's interesting that

830
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:37,391
parks fuels the economy because people

831
00:37:37,391 --> 00:37:39,391
who play sports

832
00:37:40,394 --> 00:37:43,363
buy merchandise, right, and so

833
00:37:43,363 --> 00:37:46,366
it's great that we provide this opportunity

834
00:37:46,366 --> 00:37:47,367
and synergy for commerce. I particularly

835
00:37:47,367 --> 00:37:49,367
was

836
00:37:49,369 --> 00:37:51,371
interested in your slide

837
00:37:51,371 --> 00:37:52,372
17, 18 with regards to the fields.

838
00:37:52,372 --> 00:37:54,374
I was going to bring that

839
00:37:54,374 --> 00:37:55,375
up the wear and tear on the fields.

840
00:37:55,375 --> 00:37:57,375
another field

841
00:37:58,378 --> 00:38:00,380
I'm interested in, it's on lay

842
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:01,381
hill road at the intersection of route

843
00:38:01,381 --> 00:38:03,781
200. I don't know the

844
00:38:04,384 --> 00:38:07,384
name of the park but

845
00:38:07,387 --> 00:38:10,390
it's also a soccer football field.

846
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:11,391
it used to be a soccer and football

847
00:38:11,391 --> 00:38:12,392
field

848
00:38:12,392 --> 00:38:13,393
but you have taken down the goal posts

849
00:38:13,393 --> 00:38:15,393
there. Right on

850
00:38:16,363 --> 00:38:18,363
the intersection

851
00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:20,367
of 200 and lay hill road.

852
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:21,368
>> I think

853
00:38:21,368 --> 00:38:22,369
that's lay hill

854
00:38:22,369 --> 00:38:23,370
local park.

855
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:24,371
>> that park had a wear

856
00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:25,372
and

857
00:38:25,372 --> 00:38:26,373
tear issue also with the soccer fields

858
00:38:26,373 --> 00:38:28,373
and

859
00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:30,377
you guys closing it down for

860
00:38:30,377 --> 00:38:31,378
long extended period of time and getting

861
00:38:31,378 --> 00:38:34,381
it back up. I was going to bring

862
00:38:34,381 --> 00:38:36,383
up the hillendale wear

863
00:38:36,383 --> 00:38:37,384
and tear issue because I drive past

864
00:38:37,384 --> 00:38:40,387
there going to visit the university

865
00:38:40,387 --> 00:38:43,387
of maryland and it's always

866
00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:46,393
packed on the weekends. It's packed.

867
00:38:46,393 --> 00:38:48,393
for flag

868
00:38:49,363 --> 00:38:52,363
football, soccer and other sports.

869
00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:55,366
I was wondering if there

870
00:38:55,369 --> 00:38:58,372
have been ideas with regards to shoe

871
00:38:58,372 --> 00:38:59,373
usage like what kind of cleats they

872
00:38:59,373 --> 00:39:01,773
could wear on the

873
00:39:02,376 --> 00:39:05,376
turf, whether or not there's

874
00:39:05,379 --> 00:39:08,382
overseeding on the turf and then

875
00:39:08,382 --> 00:39:10,382
former councilmember

876
00:39:10,384 --> 00:39:11,385
gabe albenas now the director of the

877
00:39:11,385 --> 00:39:13,385
park recreation is

878
00:39:14,388 --> 00:39:17,391
a big advocate for turf fields and

879
00:39:17,391 --> 00:39:18,392
I appreciate all grass

880
00:39:18,392 --> 00:39:20,394
fields because I think there is a

881
00:39:20,394 --> 00:39:22,394
safety benefit for

882
00:39:23,363 --> 00:39:25,363
using grass

883
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:26,366
fields as opposed to turf fields.

884
00:39:26,366 --> 00:39:28,366
I was wondering

885
00:39:29,369 --> 00:39:31,371
if there is a cost difference

886
00:39:31,371 --> 00:39:32,372
between turf fields and grass fields

887
00:39:32,372 --> 00:39:34,372
and/or

888
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:38,378
is it negligible or is it more

889
00:39:38,378 --> 00:39:40,378
expensive to maintenance

890
00:39:41,381 --> 00:39:44,384
turf than it is grass and if it's

891
00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:46,386
less expensive to have one over

892
00:39:46,386 --> 00:39:47,387
the other? How do you come about making

893
00:39:47,387 --> 00:39:49,387
that

894
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:52,392
choice, whether or not to use turf or

895
00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:53,393
grass? Because I note that to rent

896
00:39:53,393 --> 00:39:55,393
a

897
00:39:56,363 --> 00:39:59,363
turf field it's more expensive

898
00:39:59,366 --> 00:40:02,366
than renting a grass field

899
00:40:02,369 --> 00:40:05,372
and I was wondering how we --

900
00:40:05,372 --> 00:40:06,373
how you balance that? I

901
00:40:06,373 --> 00:40:08,375
played football at the university of maryland

902
00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:10,775
and we used to

903
00:40:11,378 --> 00:40:13,380
have the best grass ever in the

904
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:14,381
acc at the time was the best and the

905
00:40:14,381 --> 00:40:16,381
person who

906
00:40:16,383 --> 00:40:19,386
managed it retired and the people

907
00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:20,387
who took over couldn't manage it and

908
00:40:20,387 --> 00:40:22,387
the grass

909
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:25,392
died and put in

910
00:40:25,392 --> 00:40:26,393
turf. If you can like dive into why

911
00:40:26,393 --> 00:40:28,393
we

912
00:40:28,395 --> 00:40:29,363
continue to maintain grass rather

913
00:40:29,363 --> 00:40:31,363
than transition to

914
00:40:31,365 --> 00:40:32,366
turf? I would be really interested

915
00:40:32,366 --> 00:40:34,366
in that?

916
00:40:34,368 --> 00:40:35,369
>> that's a lot of questions. I'm going

917
00:40:35,369 --> 00:40:38,369
to try to answer --

918
00:40:38,372 --> 00:40:40,374
>> I could just go on and

919
00:40:40,374 --> 00:40:41,375
on because I love sports and grass.

920
00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:43,375
>>

921
00:40:44,378 --> 00:40:45,379
yeah. So we do seed all of our

922
00:40:45,379 --> 00:40:47,381
natural grass fields and then you

923
00:40:47,381 --> 00:40:49,383
asked a question about cleats

924
00:40:49,383 --> 00:40:50,384
for natural grass fields and we don't

925
00:40:50,384 --> 00:40:52,384
regulate

926
00:40:53,387 --> 00:40:55,389
what cleats you can wear. We are a

927
00:40:55,389 --> 00:40:56,390
natural grass system. We have 308

928
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:58,390
natural grass fields

929
00:40:59,393 --> 00:41:02,362
and we have four synthetic turf fields.

930
00:41:02,362 --> 00:41:04,364
you know, but synthetic turf fields

931
00:41:04,364 --> 00:41:05,365
are a tool in the toolbox and in the

932
00:41:05,365 --> 00:41:07,365
right locations they

933
00:41:08,368 --> 00:41:11,371
sometimes make the right sense. I don't

934
00:41:11,371 --> 00:41:12,372
have all the data on costs and all

935
00:41:12,372 --> 00:41:13,373
that.

936
00:41:13,373 --> 00:41:14,374
we can come back and have a conversation

937
00:41:14,374 --> 00:41:15,375
about --

938
00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:16,376
>> I

939
00:41:16,376 --> 00:41:17,377
think in general? I think the rule

940
00:41:17,377 --> 00:41:19,377
of thumb

941
00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:22,382
is an artificial turf field maybe

942
00:41:22,382 --> 00:41:23,383
more expensive to install but less

943
00:41:23,383 --> 00:41:25,383
to maintenance. It's

944
00:41:25,385 --> 00:41:29,389
really just a question of how much

945
00:41:29,389 --> 00:41:32,389
capacity you're trying to provide.

946
00:41:32,392 --> 00:41:34,392
they can give

947
00:41:35,362 --> 00:41:37,364
you more playing time.

948
00:41:37,364 --> 00:41:38,365
>> that's something to add. >> so

949
00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:40,365
just

950
00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:44,371
some follow-up, why in the high use fields that are

951
00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:46,371
experiencing

952
00:41:50,377 --> 00:41:53,377
through over use why have

953
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:56,380
we not decided to go

954
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,383
turf instead of

955
00:41:59,386 --> 00:42:01,386
grass?

956
00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:02,389
>> can I just say something about

957
00:42:02,389 --> 00:42:03,390
that?

958
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:05,390
>> you may. >>

959
00:42:05,392 --> 00:42:07,792
this topic has been

960
00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:10,395
a topic of

961
00:42:11,365 --> 00:42:13,765
discussion with parks for

962
00:42:14,368 --> 00:42:16,768
years and it --I

963
00:42:17,371 --> 00:42:19,771
was involved a lot

964
00:42:20,374 --> 00:42:23,377
of studies and research has been done.

965
00:42:23,377 --> 00:42:25,377
it's a very

966
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:28,380
controversial

967
00:42:29,383 --> 00:42:32,386
topic because there are a lot

968
00:42:32,386 --> 00:42:35,389
of literature out there in regards

969
00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:37,789
to pros and cons

970
00:42:38,392 --> 00:42:40,792
and it was very

971
00:42:41,395 --> 00:42:44,364
controversial and, you know, parks

972
00:42:44,364 --> 00:42:47,364
department had a plan for

973
00:42:47,367 --> 00:42:49,367
replacing exactly what

974
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:52,372
you're saying, but because

975
00:42:52,372 --> 00:42:53,373
of all these issues at that time it

976
00:42:53,373 --> 00:42:55,373
was

977
00:42:55,375 --> 00:42:56,376
eventually, you know, it was a lot

978
00:42:56,376 --> 00:42:58,376
of ideas

979
00:42:59,379 --> 00:43:02,379
and, you know, decision that

980
00:43:02,382 --> 00:43:05,382
eventually it went to the

981
00:43:05,385 --> 00:43:07,785
county council and, you

982
00:43:08,388 --> 00:43:11,388
know, parks department committed to

983
00:43:11,391 --> 00:43:14,394
work and increase the life for

984
00:43:14,394 --> 00:43:16,794
turf and not --

985
00:43:17,364 --> 00:43:20,364
for the natural grass and

986
00:43:20,367 --> 00:43:21,368
not to continue going to regionally

987
00:43:21,368 --> 00:43:23,370
that it was I

988
00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:25,370
think in

989
00:43:25,372 --> 00:43:26,373
1990s or so on how many turf they

990
00:43:26,373 --> 00:43:28,373
had

991
00:43:30,377 --> 00:43:32,777
a number of turf

992
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:36,380
that parks department planned to

993
00:43:36,383 --> 00:43:37,384
do it so they shy

994
00:43:37,384 --> 00:43:41,388
away from that plan. It was discussed.

995
00:43:41,388 --> 00:43:45,392
it went to the public. It went to

996
00:43:45,392 --> 00:43:47,392
the county council

997
00:43:48,395 --> 00:43:51,365
and it was decided that that's how

998
00:43:51,365 --> 00:43:54,368
we're we're going to proceed. I

999
00:43:54,368 --> 00:43:56,368
believe the decision

1000
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:57,371
at that time we're going to expand

1001
00:43:57,371 --> 00:43:58,372
that's why carl

1002
00:43:58,372 --> 00:44:00,374
is here we're going to expand and

1003
00:44:00,374 --> 00:44:02,374
have

1004
00:44:03,377 --> 00:44:06,377
many experts to come to

1005
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:09,380
do parks department to help

1006
00:44:09,383 --> 00:44:12,383
to build better grass that

1007
00:44:12,386 --> 00:44:14,386
could be maintenanced

1008
00:44:15,389 --> 00:44:16,390
with longer lifetime. That is a

1009
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:18,392
challenge and everybody else knows.

1010
00:44:18,392 --> 00:44:20,392
that's

1011
00:44:21,395 --> 00:44:23,363
where we are right now and I

1012
00:44:23,363 --> 00:44:25,365
know that -- you want to add something

1013
00:44:25,365 --> 00:44:27,367
else to it you could because we're

1014
00:44:27,367 --> 00:44:28,368
all involved in those.

1015
00:44:28,368 --> 00:44:30,370
>> yes. We've spent many millions

1016
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:33,373
of dollars over, I would say,

1017
00:44:33,373 --> 00:44:36,373
the last ten years or

1018
00:44:36,376 --> 00:44:37,377
so, investing in

1019
00:44:37,377 --> 00:44:39,379
natural grass fields, in maintaining

1020
00:44:39,379 --> 00:44:40,380
them, establishing

1021
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:42,382
a state-of-the-art practice for maintenance

1022
00:44:42,382 --> 00:44:44,382
of these

1023
00:44:44,384 --> 00:44:45,385
fields and I think what we've found

1024
00:44:45,385 --> 00:44:47,385
is there

1025
00:44:47,387 --> 00:44:48,388
is ultimately a limit. We are bumping

1026
00:44:48,388 --> 00:44:50,388
up

1027
00:44:51,391 --> 00:44:52,392
against it.

1028
00:44:52,392 --> 00:44:53,393
there is only so much you can do with

1029
00:44:53,393 --> 00:44:54,394
maintenance of a natural grass field.

1030
00:44:54,394 --> 00:44:56,394
at

1031
00:44:57,364 --> 00:45:00,367
some point you cannot have a

1032
00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:02,369
beautiful grass field that

1033
00:45:02,369 --> 00:45:03,370
gets unlimited play, and that's coming

1034
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:05,372
something we're going to have

1035
00:45:05,372 --> 00:45:06,373
to confront and have more conversations

1036
00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:07,374
about.

1037
00:45:07,374 --> 00:45:09,374
>>

1038
00:45:09,376 --> 00:45:12,379
so we need to move on

1039
00:45:12,379 --> 00:45:14,381
here, but let in ask commissioner

1040
00:45:14,381 --> 00:45:15,382
linden, do you have any questions

1041
00:45:15,382 --> 00:45:16,383
or comments?

1042
00:45:16,383 --> 00:45:18,383
>>

1043
00:45:18,385 --> 00:45:19,386
no, no other questions. Really interesting

1044
00:45:19,386 --> 00:45:21,386
conversation

1045
00:45:21,388 --> 00:45:23,390
about the synthetic versus the natural.

1046
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:24,391
sounds like it's been going on for

1047
00:45:24,391 --> 00:45:26,391
a long

1048
00:45:27,394 --> 00:45:30,364
time. Yeah, it seems like maybe

1049
00:45:30,364 --> 00:45:33,367
at some point it's worth kind

1050
00:45:33,367 --> 00:45:35,367
of re-exam blaring

1051
00:45:35,369 --> 00:45:36,370
baby steps with the capacity you're talking

1052
00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:37,371
about.

1053
00:45:37,371 --> 00:45:39,373
this was a great presentation and

1054
00:45:39,373 --> 00:45:41,373
I appreciate learning

1055
00:45:41,375 --> 00:45:42,376
how we maintain the grass and how

1056
00:45:42,376 --> 00:45:43,377
the whole system

1057
00:45:43,377 --> 00:45:44,378
works. Thank you so much.

1058
00:45:44,378 --> 00:45:45,379
>> great.

1059
00:45:45,379 --> 00:45:47,379
we look

1060
00:45:48,382 --> 00:45:51,385
forward to your presentation on the

1061
00:45:51,385 --> 00:45:53,385
[ inaudible ]

1062
00:45:54,388 --> 00:45:55,389
for fees. It's one of the things

1063
00:45:55,389 --> 00:45:57,391
I'm eager to do is, you know, I'm

1064
00:45:57,391 --> 00:45:59,391
sure you have

1065
00:45:59,393 --> 00:46:00,394
the numbers about like sort of how

1066
00:46:00,394 --> 00:46:02,394
much do

1067
00:46:03,363 --> 00:46:04,364
you spend a year on maintenance of

1068
00:46:04,364 --> 00:46:06,364
like

1069
00:46:06,366 --> 00:46:09,366
a grass field versus a

1070
00:46:09,369 --> 00:46:11,369
maybe a

1071
00:46:12,372 --> 00:46:15,372
synthetic field? I know that

1072
00:46:15,375 --> 00:46:17,377
in general whatever you

1073
00:46:17,377 --> 00:46:18,378
recommend the fees will never cover

1074
00:46:18,378 --> 00:46:20,778
the cost but it

1075
00:46:21,381 --> 00:46:22,382
will be good to show for us or the

1076
00:46:22,382 --> 00:46:24,384
council, however --regardless they

1077
00:46:24,384 --> 00:46:26,384
need to

1078
00:46:27,387 --> 00:46:30,390
be subsidized and it's a cost

1079
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:32,392
that we want to provide

1080
00:46:32,392 --> 00:46:33,393
these fields for the reasons you mentioned

1081
00:46:33,393 --> 00:46:35,393
and there's a

1082
00:46:36,363 --> 00:46:39,366
cost. You can never charge the --

1083
00:46:39,366 --> 00:46:40,367
probably to --

1084
00:46:40,367 --> 00:46:42,369
the full cost of the maintenance,

1085
00:46:42,369 --> 00:46:45,372
but you need to charge something

1086
00:46:45,372 --> 00:46:47,372
and here's the

1087
00:46:48,375 --> 00:46:50,775
gap and this is

1088
00:46:51,378 --> 00:46:53,380
what we --part of our operating

1089
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:54,381
cost we're asking a budget for to

1090
00:46:54,381 --> 00:46:57,381
pay for things like that.

1091
00:46:57,384 --> 00:47:00,387
I appreciate that. My daughters grew

1092
00:47:00,387 --> 00:47:02,387
up in

1093
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:06,390
tacoma rec league soccer and

1094
00:47:06,393 --> 00:47:09,363
msi when they were four doing the

1095
00:47:09,363 --> 00:47:11,763
soccer probably picking your

1096
00:47:12,366 --> 00:47:13,367
grass as they start out they're grass

1097
00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:15,367
pickers and

1098
00:47:15,369 --> 00:47:16,370
then they really get into it. Thank

1099
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:17,371
you so

1100
00:47:17,371 --> 00:47:18,372
much and we look forward to you coming

1101
00:47:18,372 --> 00:47:19,373
back and great

1102
00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:20,374
presentation. Thank you.

1103
00:47:20,374 --> 00:47:21,375
>> thank

1104
00:47:21,375 --> 00:47:22,376
you very much.

1105
00:47:22,376 --> 00:47:24,378
>> we're going to take

1106
00:47:24,378 --> 00:47:26,380
a --are we going to go in the

1107
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:27,381
same hall or --we'll take a one minute

1108
00:47:27,381 --> 00:47:29,381
break and go

1109
00:47:29,383 --> 00:47:30,350
with our next item the north branch trail funding

1110
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:32,350
approval. Thank you.

1111
00:53:35,382 --> 00:53:37,382
.

1112
00:53:37,384 --> 00:53:40,384
>>> good morning. We're on item 10

1113
00:53:41,388 --> 00:53:43,788
the northbranch trail fields

1114
00:53:44,391 --> 00:53:47,391
funding approval. We have randy,

1115
00:53:47,394 --> 00:53:49,394
andy and josh

1116
00:53:49,396 --> 00:53:50,364
visiting. Thank you.

1117
00:53:50,364 --> 00:53:52,364
>> good morning.

1118
00:53:54,368 --> 00:53:56,370
and thank you so much for making time

1119
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:57,371
for us on

1120
00:53:57,371 --> 00:53:59,373
your agenda today on

1121
00:53:59,373 --> 00:54:00,374
issue. Andy

1122
00:54:00,374 --> 00:54:02,376
frank, park development division and

1123
00:54:02,376 --> 00:54:04,376
while I have

1124
00:54:05,379 --> 00:54:07,381
the honor of talking to

1125
00:54:07,381 --> 00:54:08,382
you today I have to say that the credit for

1126
00:54:08,382 --> 00:54:10,382
us being here

1127
00:54:11,385 --> 00:54:13,387
today really goes to our engineering

1128
00:54:13,387 --> 00:54:14,388
team, consulting team, our partners

1129
00:54:14,388 --> 00:54:16,388
at

1130
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:17,391
state highway, our park leadership.

1131
00:54:17,391 --> 00:54:19,791
we are very happy

1132
00:54:20,394 --> 00:54:22,396
that we're able to come and ask this

1133
00:54:22,396 --> 00:54:23,363
request today because it represents

1134
00:54:23,363 --> 00:54:25,363
almost

1135
00:54:26,366 --> 00:54:28,366
15 years of work

1136
00:54:29,369 --> 00:54:30,370
to get to this point.

1137
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:34,374
so I will proceed and proceed quickly

1138
00:54:34,374 --> 00:54:35,375
and open it up to questions. I'm going

1139
00:54:35,375 --> 00:54:37,375
to tell

1140
00:54:38,378 --> 00:54:40,778
you because none of

1141
00:54:41,381 --> 00:54:43,383
you were around except for

1142
00:54:43,383 --> 00:54:44,384
mitra when this started in its infancy, I

1143
00:54:44,384 --> 00:54:46,384
will

1144
00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:48,388
give you the history and jump into

1145
00:54:48,388 --> 00:54:50,388
where we

1146
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:51,391
are today and why we're here

1147
00:54:51,391 --> 00:54:53,393
today with construction, construction

1148
00:54:53,393 --> 00:54:55,393
bid results and

1149
00:54:55,395 --> 00:54:59,366
the pdf for this project and what

1150
00:54:59,366 --> 00:55:01,366
we're asking for

1151
00:55:02,369 --> 00:55:05,369
is permission to transmit the

1152
00:55:05,372 --> 00:55:07,374
special appropriation request for

1153
00:55:07,374 --> 00:55:08,375
the fund. Let me talk about what northbranch

1154
00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:10,375
trail is,

1155
00:55:11,378 --> 00:55:12,379
not to be confused with

1156
00:55:12,379 --> 00:55:14,381
northwest branch trail, northwest

1157
00:55:14,381 --> 00:55:16,381
branch trail

1158
00:55:17,384 --> 00:55:19,384
is further right

1159
00:55:20,387 --> 00:55:22,387
near

1160
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:25,392
frankp and this project will

1161
00:55:25,392 --> 00:55:26,393
connect mun caster road and emory

1162
00:55:26,393 --> 00:55:28,393
lane

1163
00:55:29,396 --> 00:55:32,366
trail which serves the citizens on

1164
00:55:32,366 --> 00:55:34,368
the north side of caster mill.

1165
00:55:34,368 --> 00:55:35,369
it's a great connection on the east

1166
00:55:35,369 --> 00:55:38,369
side and connecting on the

1167
00:55:38,372 --> 00:55:40,772
west side to an

1168
00:55:41,375 --> 00:55:43,375
existing walkway along

1169
00:55:44,378 --> 00:55:47,381
mun caster that will connect the community to

1170
00:55:47,381 --> 00:55:48,382
the rest and provide trail head parking.

1171
00:55:48,382 --> 00:55:50,382
this

1172
00:55:50,384 --> 00:55:51,385
project extends in a

1173
00:55:51,385 --> 00:55:53,387
recently built developer trail to

1174
00:55:53,387 --> 00:55:55,389
the icc trail, an

1175
00:55:55,389 --> 00:55:56,390
important connection. We're talking

1176
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:59,393
about adding over two miles of

1177
00:55:59,393 --> 00:56:01,395
trail to our hard

1178
00:56:01,395 --> 00:56:02,396
surface system and this trail is being

1179
00:56:02,396 --> 00:56:04,396
designed to standards

1180
00:56:05,365 --> 00:56:07,365
and specifications because

1181
00:56:08,368 --> 00:56:09,369
of the transportation alternatives

1182
00:56:09,369 --> 00:56:11,369
program brand

1183
00:56:11,371 --> 00:56:14,374
that we had to use. Part of the cost

1184
00:56:14,374 --> 00:56:15,375
here is because this is in a stream

1185
00:56:15,375 --> 00:56:17,375
valley

1186
00:56:17,377 --> 00:56:19,377
park

1187
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:21,381
and we are having to use concrete boardwalks

1188
00:56:21,381 --> 00:56:23,381
and

1189
00:56:23,383 --> 00:56:24,384
bridges to make this work. We're trying

1190
00:56:24,384 --> 00:56:26,384
to do

1191
00:56:26,386 --> 00:56:27,387
ada access and storm water treatment

1192
00:56:27,387 --> 00:56:28,388
as required by

1193
00:56:28,388 --> 00:56:29,389
the county. To get where we are in the

1194
00:56:29,389 --> 00:56:31,389
lower

1195
00:56:32,392 --> 00:56:34,394
left corner here is lake frank not

1196
00:56:34,394 --> 00:56:35,395
named after me, we're not there yet,

1197
00:56:35,395 --> 00:56:37,364
and what we're

1198
00:56:37,364 --> 00:56:38,365
doing, the red line, maybe a little

1199
00:56:38,365 --> 00:56:41,365
hard to see the squiggly

1200
00:56:41,368 --> 00:56:43,370
line is our extension of our

1201
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:44,371
trail up to mun caster mill which

1202
00:56:44,371 --> 00:56:45,372
goes

1203
00:56:45,372 --> 00:56:47,374
about two-thirds of the way up the

1204
00:56:47,374 --> 00:56:49,376
screen from upper left

1205
00:56:49,376 --> 00:56:50,377
to lower right the connection we're

1206
00:56:50,377 --> 00:56:52,379
making and then at the

1207
00:56:52,379 --> 00:56:53,380
very top that left-to-right that is

1208
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:55,382
the icc and you

1209
00:56:55,382 --> 00:56:56,383
can see a little bit of red that's

1210
00:56:56,383 --> 00:56:58,383
connecting to

1211
00:56:59,386 --> 00:57:00,387
the existing trail. So this is the

1212
00:57:00,387 --> 00:57:02,387
expansion

1213
00:57:02,389 --> 00:57:04,389
to our hard

1214
00:57:04,391 --> 00:57:07,394
surface trail program that we're looking.

1215
00:57:07,394 --> 00:57:08,395
what's the history? This trail is

1216
00:57:08,395 --> 00:57:10,795
recommended in a lot

1217
00:57:11,365 --> 00:57:13,367
of master plans and trail

1218
00:57:13,367 --> 00:57:14,368
plans and the plan was ultimately

1219
00:57:14,368 --> 00:57:16,368
approved in 2013 and

1220
00:57:17,371 --> 00:57:20,374
then had to be amended in 2017. Yes.

1221
00:57:20,374 --> 00:57:22,374
we are talking

1222
00:57:22,376 --> 00:57:23,377
about 13 years ago. I'm not going

1223
00:57:23,377 --> 00:57:25,777
to back away from

1224
00:57:26,380 --> 00:57:29,383
that. The amendment we had to do there

1225
00:57:29,383 --> 00:57:30,384
really involved addressing community

1226
00:57:30,384 --> 00:57:32,384
concerns and

1227
00:57:32,386 --> 00:57:35,389
it required us to relocate a trail

1228
00:57:35,389 --> 00:57:37,391
head and provide this connecter trail

1229
00:57:37,391 --> 00:57:38,392
that cross over northbranch, which

1230
00:57:38,392 --> 00:57:40,792
did have the added

1231
00:57:41,395 --> 00:57:44,364
benefit of connecting to that western part

1232
00:57:44,364 --> 00:57:46,764
of the muncaster trail.

1233
00:57:47,367 --> 00:57:48,368
this was a difficult project and this

1234
00:57:48,368 --> 00:57:50,368
represents what

1235
00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:53,373
it takes in this day and age for

1236
00:57:53,373 --> 00:57:55,375
local governments to do hard things

1237
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:56,376
and this was challenging with some

1238
00:57:56,376 --> 00:57:58,776
of our partners but

1239
00:57:59,379 --> 00:58:00,380
also made possible by our different

1240
00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:02,380
partners

1241
00:58:02,382 --> 00:58:04,382
through dps, mde,

1242
00:58:05,385 --> 00:58:08,388
wssc, and sha. But this did require --

1243
00:58:08,388 --> 00:58:11,988
it required unusual things such as

1244
00:58:12,392 --> 00:58:15,395
a clomr and it was involved

1245
00:58:15,395 --> 00:58:16,363
with the sha office of highway

1246
00:58:16,363 --> 00:58:18,365
structures and their standards are

1247
00:58:18,365 --> 00:58:20,765
strict and updated their

1248
00:58:21,368 --> 00:58:23,368
requirements for this

1249
00:58:24,371 --> 00:58:25,372
in 2024. In 2025 sha required us to go

1250
00:58:25,372 --> 00:58:26,373
back

1251
00:58:26,373 --> 00:58:27,374
through ap evaluation and get a new

1252
00:58:27,374 --> 00:58:29,374
approval

1253
00:58:30,377 --> 00:58:32,379
from wssc. In virtually

1254
00:58:32,379 --> 00:58:33,380
all these cases it was new staff we

1255
00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:35,382
were working with that had

1256
00:58:35,382 --> 00:58:36,383
to take a look at it. Finally this

1257
00:58:36,383 --> 00:58:38,383
summer we

1258
00:58:38,385 --> 00:58:39,386
received sha authorization to bid

1259
00:58:39,386 --> 00:58:41,386
the project

1260
00:58:41,388 --> 00:58:42,389
which we did as quickly as we could

1261
00:58:42,389 --> 00:58:44,389
and

1262
00:58:45,392 --> 00:58:48,395
we bid in october 2025. What did

1263
00:58:48,395 --> 00:58:50,364
we get? We got competitive bids.

1264
00:58:50,364 --> 00:58:51,365
we advertised this project a lot and in

1265
00:58:51,365 --> 00:58:53,365
this we

1266
00:58:53,367 --> 00:58:54,368
got a bid of just about $6 million

1267
00:58:54,368 --> 00:58:55,369
in

1268
00:58:55,369 --> 00:58:57,371
our competitive bid process. So we

1269
00:58:57,371 --> 00:58:59,371
think we got

1270
00:59:00,374 --> 00:59:01,375
a real bid that represents

1271
00:59:01,375 --> 00:59:03,377
the market conditions as we speak

1272
00:59:03,377 --> 00:59:05,377
today. So

1273
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:07,381
what does this do? Obviously, this

1274
00:59:07,381 --> 00:59:09,383
project was talked about years ago.

1275
00:59:09,383 --> 00:59:11,385
the world has changed in terms

1276
00:59:11,385 --> 00:59:14,388
of the cost of construction. We talked

1277
00:59:14,388 --> 00:59:18,392
a lot about the regulatory work we

1278
00:59:18,392 --> 00:59:20,394
had to do. Right now in our cip,

1279
00:59:20,394 --> 00:59:21,395
this pdf was given a total funding

1280
00:59:21,395 --> 00:59:23,395
of just about

1281
00:59:24,364 --> 00:59:26,366
$5. 3 million, of which $2 million was

1282
00:59:26,366 --> 00:59:29,369
tap brand. The rest is through pos.

1283
00:59:29,369 --> 00:59:30,370
the geobond and other sources. The

1284
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:31,371
cost to date

1285
00:59:31,371 --> 00:59:33,373
to get where we have been is about

1286
00:59:33,373 --> 00:59:35,373
$1. 5 million

1287
00:59:35,375 --> 00:59:36,376
that represents staff time consultant

1288
00:59:36,376 --> 00:59:38,376
time,

1289
00:59:38,378 --> 00:59:39,379
some repair work that had to be done in the

1290
00:59:39,379 --> 00:59:41,379
interim which

1291
00:59:41,381 --> 00:59:44,384
allows us about 3. 8 remaining. What do we

1292
00:59:44,384 --> 00:59:46,386
think this is going to cost to build?

1293
00:59:46,386 --> 00:59:48,388
in addition to the contract costs

1294
00:59:48,388 --> 00:59:50,388
there's also an

1295
00:59:51,391 --> 00:59:52,392
sha coordination cost and construction

1296
00:59:52,392 --> 00:59:53,393
management and

1297
00:59:53,393 --> 00:59:54,394
we expect that the overall remaining

1298
00:59:54,394 --> 00:59:56,394
cost is

1299
00:59:57,364 --> 00:59:59,364
about $6.7 million.

1300
01:00:00,367 --> 01:00:03,370
that results in a shortfall of

1301
01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:05,370
$2. 9 million. This comes

1302
01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:07,374
in oh, boy $2. 9 million doesn't come out

1303
01:00:07,374 --> 01:00:08,375
of

1304
01:00:08,375 --> 01:00:09,376
thin air. We went back to our partners

1305
01:00:09,376 --> 01:00:11,376
at

1306
01:00:12,379 --> 01:00:15,382
sha and they were able to secure

1307
01:00:15,382 --> 01:00:17,384
an additional $2 million tap

1308
01:00:17,384 --> 01:00:18,385
brand funding, $2 million not having

1309
01:00:18,385 --> 01:00:20,385
to

1310
01:00:21,388 --> 01:00:23,390
come out of the county program.

1311
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:24,391
that can cover everything. And so

1312
01:00:24,391 --> 01:00:26,391
what we're going

1313
01:00:26,393 --> 01:00:27,394
to --we would like to ask for is an

1314
01:00:27,394 --> 01:00:29,394
additional

1315
01:00:30,364 --> 01:00:32,364
900,000 in county

1316
01:00:33,367 --> 01:00:35,369
funds to match that tap grant

1317
01:00:35,369 --> 01:00:36,370
and cover the additional costs of the

1318
01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:38,370
construction

1319
01:00:39,373 --> 01:00:41,373
management, implementing the

1320
01:00:41,375 --> 01:00:42,376
project, and doing all those --doing

1321
01:00:42,376 --> 01:00:44,376
the additional work

1322
01:00:45,379 --> 01:00:47,379
to get this

1323
01:00:47,381 --> 01:00:48,382
implemented. Now, we know that construction

1324
01:00:48,382 --> 01:00:50,382
is challenging.

1325
01:00:50,384 --> 01:00:51,385
we may find different things when

1326
01:00:51,385 --> 01:00:53,385
in construction.

1327
01:00:54,388 --> 01:00:55,389
there may be contingencies.

1328
01:00:55,389 --> 01:00:57,391
the contingencies we're proposing

1329
01:00:57,391 --> 01:00:59,393
to come out of our level of

1330
01:00:59,393 --> 01:01:00,394
evident programs for our trail programs.

1331
01:01:00,394 --> 01:01:02,394
that would

1332
01:01:02,396 --> 01:01:03,363
be beyond anything that was required

1333
01:01:03,363 --> 01:01:05,363
beyond

1334
01:01:06,366 --> 01:01:08,366
that $900,000.

1335
01:01:09,369 --> 01:01:11,369
but we do

1336
01:01:12,372 --> 01:01:14,374
think it's important for us not to

1337
01:01:14,374 --> 01:01:15,375
totally shut down the rest of the

1338
01:01:15,375 --> 01:01:17,775
trail program that parks

1339
01:01:18,378 --> 01:01:21,381
works on and we do think it's

1340
01:01:21,381 --> 01:01:23,781
a valid request to

1341
01:01:24,384 --> 01:01:26,384
county to find

1342
01:01:27,387 --> 01:01:29,387
900,000 county funding.

1343
01:01:29,389 --> 01:01:32,389
we're working through the concurrence

1344
01:01:33,393 --> 01:01:35,395
and award program with sha.

1345
01:01:35,395 --> 01:01:36,396
coordinating with sha trying to save

1346
01:01:36,396 --> 01:01:38,365
money on some

1347
01:01:38,365 --> 01:01:39,366
of those remaining preconstruction

1348
01:01:39,366 --> 01:01:42,366
items how we're going to

1349
01:01:42,369 --> 01:01:44,369
set up the

1350
01:01:44,371 --> 01:01:45,372
construction management testing, making

1351
01:01:45,372 --> 01:01:47,372
agreements. What

1352
01:01:47,374 --> 01:01:48,375
we need to do now because this is --

1353
01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:51,375
time is of the essence.

1354
01:01:51,378 --> 01:01:53,380
we have bids. We do have

1355
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:54,381
the bids. We require the contractor

1356
01:01:54,381 --> 01:01:56,383
to hold their pricing

1357
01:01:56,383 --> 01:01:57,384
for a certain amount of time but we

1358
01:01:57,384 --> 01:01:59,384
can only

1359
01:02:00,387 --> 01:02:01,388
do that for a certain amount of time

1360
01:02:01,388 --> 01:02:03,388
to

1361
01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:04,391
get this thing built. This is why we're

1362
01:02:04,391 --> 01:02:05,392
here today

1363
01:02:05,392 --> 01:02:06,393
and appreciating your accommodation.

1364
01:02:06,393 --> 01:02:08,393
we

1365
01:02:08,395 --> 01:02:09,396
need to ask for the planning board's

1366
01:02:09,396 --> 01:02:11,365
approval to submit a

1367
01:02:11,365 --> 01:02:12,366
special appropriation to the council

1368
01:02:12,366 --> 01:02:15,366
to cover this additional funding.

1369
01:02:15,369 --> 01:02:16,370
what would happen then the council

1370
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:18,370
president

1371
01:02:18,372 --> 01:02:19,373
would refer that to the php

1372
01:02:19,373 --> 01:02:21,375
committee and they would consider

1373
01:02:21,375 --> 01:02:24,378
it and then to the full council for

1374
01:02:24,378 --> 01:02:25,379
special appropriation and a cip amendment.

1375
01:02:25,379 --> 01:02:27,379
the hope is

1376
01:02:27,381 --> 01:02:29,383
to get this all done this spring so we

1377
01:02:29,383 --> 01:02:30,384
can get notice to proceed on this

1378
01:02:30,384 --> 01:02:32,384
15-year project

1379
01:02:32,386 --> 01:02:33,387
that's been a long time coming and

1380
01:02:33,387 --> 01:02:34,388
our goal

1381
01:02:34,388 --> 01:02:37,391
is to open up this project next fall for

1382
01:02:37,391 --> 01:02:39,391
the community.

1383
01:02:42,396 --> 01:02:43,363
with that we would like to ask our

1384
01:02:43,363 --> 01:02:45,363
recommendation

1385
01:02:46,366 --> 01:02:48,366
is to --

1386
01:02:49,369 --> 01:02:52,369
for the planning board to

1387
01:02:52,372 --> 01:02:54,372
approve $2. 9 million to

1388
01:02:54,374 --> 01:02:55,375
the northbranch trail pdf including

1389
01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:57,375
$2

1390
01:02:58,378 --> 01:03:00,380
million of federal aid and

1391
01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:01,381
$900,000 in geobond and request we

1392
01:03:01,381 --> 01:03:03,381
can work with

1393
01:03:04,384 --> 01:03:06,386
the chair to quickly transmit the

1394
01:03:06,386 --> 01:03:07,387
request for special appropriation cip

1395
01:03:07,387 --> 01:03:09,389
amendment to the council

1396
01:03:09,389 --> 01:03:10,390
to facilitate allowing this project

1397
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:12,390
to

1398
01:03:12,392 --> 01:03:13,393
get implemented under the pro kurmts

1399
01:03:13,393 --> 01:03:14,394
activity. Thank you so much.

1400
01:03:14,394 --> 01:03:17,994
I'd answer any questions you have.

1401
01:03:19,366 --> 01:03:21,366
>> thank you.

1402
01:03:22,369 --> 01:03:24,369
congratulations on getting

1403
01:03:24,371 --> 01:03:26,373
this state to provide a $2 million

1404
01:03:26,373 --> 01:03:28,375
grant. This is wonderful. This is

1405
01:03:28,375 --> 01:03:30,375
absolutely wonderful.

1406
01:03:31,378 --> 01:03:33,778
we always talked about

1407
01:03:34,381 --> 01:03:36,781
trying to implement --

1408
01:03:37,384 --> 01:03:39,384
it's been since

1409
01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:45,390
2013

1410
01:03:46,393 --> 01:03:48,395
we've been pushing this and

1411
01:03:48,395 --> 01:03:51,365
one of the things people are --it's needed and our been

1412
01:03:51,365 --> 01:03:52,366
also want to see progress. We go to these meetings and they

1413
01:03:52,366 --> 01:03:55,369
say you promised, not parks per

1414
01:03:55,369 --> 01:03:58,372
se, but in general, things we put,

1415
01:03:58,372 --> 01:04:01,375
we say we're going to do

1416
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,377
when in our plans in planning or -- that --

1417
01:04:03,377 --> 01:04:04,378
but they never happen or don't happen

1418
01:04:04,378 --> 01:04:06,378
in a

1419
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:07,381
timely manner. Thank you for getting

1420
01:04:07,381 --> 01:04:09,383
the grant. That was a lot

1421
01:04:09,383 --> 01:04:13,387
of money. Thank you. And we really --

1422
01:04:13,387 --> 01:04:16,390
I'm supportive of this. I I want you

1423
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:19,393
to move as quickly as possible.

1424
01:04:19,393 --> 01:04:21,395
this would be money from the fiscal

1425
01:04:21,395 --> 01:04:22,396
year '26 county funds, correct?

1426
01:04:22,396 --> 01:04:23,397
>>

1427
01:04:23,397 --> 01:04:24,364
yes.

1428
01:04:24,364 --> 01:04:25,365
it's important we request the county to appropriate

1429
01:04:25,365 --> 01:04:27,365
this

1430
01:04:28,368 --> 01:04:30,370
money in the fy26 'budget to meet

1431
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:32,372
the pro kurmts activity that's ongoing.

1432
01:04:32,372 --> 01:04:33,373
thank you.

1433
01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:34,374
>> questions or comments

1434
01:04:34,374 --> 01:04:35,375
from the other board members?

1435
01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:36,376
>>

1436
01:04:36,376 --> 01:04:37,377
just to say very supportive as well.

1437
01:04:37,377 --> 01:04:39,377
the $2 million

1438
01:04:39,379 --> 01:04:40,380
in federal aid is that different than

1439
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:42,380
the additional grant

1440
01:04:43,383 --> 01:04:46,386
from sha? I just wanted to clarify.

1441
01:04:46,386 --> 01:04:48,386
>> the $4 million --the

1442
01:04:49,389 --> 01:04:50,390
sha slash federal government is

1443
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:52,392
contributing $4 million now to this

1444
01:04:52,392 --> 01:04:53,393
project all

1445
01:04:53,393 --> 01:04:54,394
coming out of the tap program.

1446
01:04:54,394 --> 01:04:55,395
>> okay.

1447
01:04:55,395 --> 01:04:57,364
the tap specifically for two

1448
01:04:57,364 --> 01:04:58,365
and two. Just wanted to clarify.

1449
01:04:58,365 --> 01:04:59,366
>>

1450
01:04:59,366 --> 01:05:00,367
if I

1451
01:05:00,367 --> 01:05:01,368
may, so we had the $2 million grant

1452
01:05:01,368 --> 01:05:02,369
originally.

1453
01:05:02,369 --> 01:05:04,369
>> yeah.

1454
01:05:04,371 --> 01:05:05,372
>> then the bid came in so high

1455
01:05:05,372 --> 01:05:07,374
that honestly I don't know how we would

1456
01:05:07,374 --> 01:05:09,376
have been able to move forward with the

1457
01:05:09,376 --> 01:05:10,377
project as is. We were talking about

1458
01:05:10,377 --> 01:05:12,777
scaling the project back,

1459
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:14,381
maybe doing it in phases, trying to

1460
01:05:14,381 --> 01:05:15,382
get

1461
01:05:15,382 --> 01:05:16,383
what we could with the money we had.

1462
01:05:16,383 --> 01:05:19,386
I really want to give credit

1463
01:05:19,386 --> 01:05:21,388
to staff who reached out to

1464
01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:22,389
state highway and state highway essentially

1465
01:05:22,389 --> 01:05:24,389
offered us

1466
01:05:25,392 --> 01:05:28,392
an additional $2 million. That's why

1467
01:05:28,395 --> 01:05:30,364
we're able to move forward with this

1468
01:05:30,364 --> 01:05:31,365
project as it's planned for and designed

1469
01:05:31,365 --> 01:05:33,367
now. Otherwise, I don't

1470
01:05:33,367 --> 01:05:34,368
know what we would be doing. So, you

1471
01:05:34,368 --> 01:05:36,370
know, a lot of credit

1472
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:37,371
to staff and, of course, thanks to

1473
01:05:37,371 --> 01:05:39,371
state highway.

1474
01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:40,374
these grant funds we're so happy to

1475
01:05:40,374 --> 01:05:42,374
have them, they

1476
01:05:42,376 --> 01:05:43,377
come with strings attached as you can

1477
01:05:43,377 --> 01:05:45,777
see in this presentation.

1478
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:48,380
>> of

1479
01:05:49,383 --> 01:05:50,384
course.

1480
01:05:50,384 --> 01:05:51,385
>> there's a lot of requirements

1481
01:05:51,385 --> 01:05:52,386
tied

1482
01:05:52,386 --> 01:05:53,387
to this funding. It's not easy to

1483
01:05:53,387 --> 01:05:55,387
get.

1484
01:05:55,389 --> 01:05:57,789
this additional request for

1485
01:05:58,392 --> 01:06:01,395
a supplemental in this cip is really

1486
01:06:01,395 --> 01:06:04,364
it's a very reasonable delta given

1487
01:06:04,364 --> 01:06:06,366
the bids that came in and the position

1488
01:06:06,366 --> 01:06:07,367
we thought we were in before.

1489
01:06:07,367 --> 01:06:08,368
>> money

1490
01:06:08,368 --> 01:06:09,369
with strings attached

1491
01:06:09,369 --> 01:06:10,370
is much better than no money when it's

1492
01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:12,370
covering over

1493
01:06:13,373 --> 01:06:14,374
two-thirds of the overage for that

1494
01:06:14,374 --> 01:06:16,374
than you

1495
01:06:16,376 --> 01:06:17,377
expected. I wanted to clarify and

1496
01:06:17,377 --> 01:06:19,377
something

1497
01:06:19,379 --> 01:06:21,381
that I think that's

1498
01:06:21,381 --> 01:06:22,382
great. That's great and I think --

1499
01:06:22,382 --> 01:06:24,382
I'm very supportive.

1500
01:06:25,385 --> 01:06:27,385
appreciate it.

1501
01:06:28,388 --> 01:06:31,388
>> so as you said, I'm

1502
01:06:31,391 --> 01:06:34,394
very familiar with this project. The

1503
01:06:34,394 --> 01:06:37,364
regional project manager on that mary

1504
01:06:37,364 --> 01:06:38,365
ann retired. I don't know how many

1505
01:06:38,365 --> 01:06:40,365
other staff

1506
01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:42,367
have retired

1507
01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:45,372
since this project has started

1508
01:06:45,372 --> 01:06:46,373
and $1. 5 million that is already

1509
01:06:46,373 --> 01:06:48,373
spent just

1510
01:06:49,376 --> 01:06:52,376
think about it, is probably

1511
01:06:52,379 --> 01:06:54,779
design and coordination costs.

1512
01:06:55,382 --> 01:06:56,383
so, although that I'm very appreciative

1513
01:06:56,383 --> 01:06:58,383
to

1514
01:06:58,385 --> 01:07:00,785
get the grants, but

1515
01:07:01,388 --> 01:07:03,788
this project is not

1516
01:07:04,391 --> 01:07:07,394
a normal design project that parks

1517
01:07:07,394 --> 01:07:08,395
department does. This project went

1518
01:07:08,395 --> 01:07:10,364
through

1519
01:07:10,364 --> 01:07:12,366
a lot of loops and

1520
01:07:12,366 --> 01:07:15,366
difficulties because of their requirements

1521
01:07:15,369 --> 01:07:16,370
and environmental requirements that

1522
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:19,370
was put on this project

1523
01:07:19,373 --> 01:07:20,374
that it took so long. Of course we

1524
01:07:20,374 --> 01:07:22,376
had to do some

1525
01:07:22,376 --> 01:07:24,776
changes in the design

1526
01:07:25,379 --> 01:07:27,779
and other things, but

1527
01:07:28,382 --> 01:07:30,382
1. 5 million the

1528
01:07:31,385 --> 01:07:33,385
design

1529
01:07:34,388 --> 01:07:36,388
for $2. 2 million --2.

1530
01:07:37,391 --> 01:07:39,391
2 million mile project

1531
01:07:41,395 --> 01:07:43,395
is not normal.

1532
01:07:44,364 --> 01:07:46,364
this is a

1533
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:50,367
great project and we need

1534
01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:52,370
to streamline

1535
01:07:52,372 --> 01:07:55,972
these permitting. We need to streamline

1536
01:07:56,376 --> 01:07:58,776
when, you know, we

1537
01:08:01,381 --> 01:08:02,382
love to get grants, but when it makes

1538
01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:04,382
it so

1539
01:08:05,385 --> 01:08:08,385
difficult that, you know, takes

1540
01:08:08,388 --> 01:08:10,388
15 years,

1541
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:13,393
with $1.5 million and then you get

1542
01:08:13,393 --> 01:08:16,393
$2 million grant and then another

1543
01:08:16,396 --> 01:08:17,364
2, that we really appreciate to make

1544
01:08:17,364 --> 01:08:19,364
it

1545
01:08:20,367 --> 01:08:23,367
possible. But it makes it

1546
01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:25,372
difficult. So I just put it at

1547
01:08:25,372 --> 01:08:28,375
that and I appreciate and totally

1548
01:08:28,375 --> 01:08:29,376
fully support this project. I don't

1549
01:08:29,376 --> 01:08:31,376
know how

1550
01:08:31,378 --> 01:08:32,379
much contingency you were thinking.

1551
01:08:32,379 --> 01:08:34,379
maybe you

1552
01:08:34,381 --> 01:08:37,381
should add that contingency because

1553
01:08:38,385 --> 01:08:41,385
you need the level of

1554
01:08:41,388 --> 01:08:44,391
effort pdf for your trail, but I

1555
01:08:44,391 --> 01:08:45,392
leave it to your judgment. I trust

1556
01:08:45,392 --> 01:08:47,392
your

1557
01:08:47,394 --> 01:08:48,395
judgment that this is the right thing to

1558
01:08:48,395 --> 01:08:50,364
do,

1559
01:08:50,364 --> 01:08:52,366
but I wouldn't have minded --

1560
01:08:52,366 --> 01:08:53,367
I don't know how much money is available

1561
01:08:53,367 --> 01:08:54,368
for us to

1562
01:08:54,368 --> 01:08:56,370
get and how much you're talking about,

1563
01:08:56,370 --> 01:08:57,371
but I'm

1564
01:08:57,371 --> 01:08:59,373
fully open to that if you like to do

1565
01:08:59,373 --> 01:09:01,373
that. I

1566
01:09:01,375 --> 01:09:02,376
fully support. This is a very good

1567
01:09:02,376 --> 01:09:03,377
project.

1568
01:09:03,377 --> 01:09:09,377
it hasn't died after 15 years. We need to build it.

1569
01:09:14,388 --> 01:09:16,388
>>

1570
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:17,391
commissioner bartley or linden? No

1571
01:09:17,391 --> 01:09:20,391
comments. Do I have a

1572
01:09:20,394 --> 01:09:21,395
motion --

1573
01:09:21,395 --> 01:09:23,395
>> I'm sorry. Go

1574
01:09:23,397 --> 01:09:24,364
ahead.

1575
01:09:24,364 --> 01:09:26,366
>> oh, no. Sorry. I

1576
01:09:26,366 --> 01:09:28,766
don't want to --

1577
01:09:29,369 --> 01:09:30,370
I wanted to thank staff

1578
01:09:30,370 --> 01:09:32,372
and director for your entire team

1579
01:09:32,372 --> 01:09:34,372
for your

1580
01:09:34,374 --> 01:09:35,375
persistence in moving this forward over

1581
01:09:35,375 --> 01:09:37,375
the

1582
01:09:38,378 --> 01:09:41,378
past 15 years. I agree with

1583
01:09:41,381 --> 01:09:43,381
what's been said

1584
01:09:43,383 --> 01:09:44,384
about --especially commissioner pedoeem

1585
01:09:44,384 --> 01:09:46,386
if this is how

1586
01:09:46,386 --> 01:09:47,387
things to go that's not designed in

1587
01:09:47,387 --> 01:09:49,787
a lot of ways

1588
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:51,391
but as we know, infrastructure in

1589
01:09:51,391 --> 01:09:52,392
general

1590
01:09:52,392 --> 01:09:53,393
is increasingly hard, not just in

1591
01:09:53,393 --> 01:09:55,393
the county

1592
01:09:55,395 --> 01:09:58,365
but in the country and costs and complexity

1593
01:09:58,365 --> 01:09:59,366
of regulations and moving through

1594
01:09:59,366 --> 01:10:01,366
implementing partners and

1595
01:10:01,368 --> 01:10:02,369
on and on. I really appreciate and

1596
01:10:02,369 --> 01:10:04,369
respect

1597
01:10:04,371 --> 01:10:05,372
just, again, the perseverance to get

1598
01:10:05,372 --> 01:10:07,374
this done. Seems like

1599
01:10:07,374 --> 01:10:11,378
it's going to be a great project so thank

1600
01:10:11,378 --> 01:10:12,379
you.

1601
01:10:12,379 --> 01:10:14,379
>> great.

1602
01:10:14,381 --> 01:10:16,781
so do I have

1603
01:10:17,384 --> 01:10:20,387
a motion to --for approval to add

1604
01:10:20,387 --> 01:10:21,388
$2. 9 million to the northbranch trail

1605
01:10:21,388 --> 01:10:23,390
pdf including $2 million in the federal

1606
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:25,390
aid and

1607
01:10:26,393 --> 01:10:28,393
900,000 geobonds and the

1608
01:10:29,396 --> 01:10:32,366
chair to transmit the request for

1609
01:10:32,366 --> 01:10:34,368
special appropriations to facilitate

1610
01:10:34,368 --> 01:10:37,371
timing council action to allow project

1611
01:10:37,371 --> 01:10:38,372
implementation.

1612
01:10:38,372 --> 01:10:39,373
>> move to approve adding

1613
01:10:39,373 --> 01:10:40,374
the

1614
01:10:40,374 --> 01:10:41,375
funds.

1615
01:10:41,375 --> 01:10:42,376
>> I second. >> all in favor.

1616
01:10:42,376 --> 01:10:44,376
>> yea. >> yea.

1617
01:10:44,378 --> 01:10:45,379
>> yea. >> the yeas have it. Thank

1618
01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:47,379
you. Thank

1619
01:10:47,381 --> 01:10:50,381
you for speedily presenting this

1620
01:10:50,384 --> 01:10:51,385
to us so we can move it forward.

1621
01:10:51,385 --> 01:10:53,387
time is of the essence because costs

1622
01:10:53,387 --> 01:10:54,388
keep going up. Thank you.

1623
01:10:54,388 --> 01:10:56,388
>> yeah.

1624
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,392
we're going to take a one minute break

1625
01:10:58,392 --> 01:10:59,359
and start with our next item legislative update.

1626
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,359
thank you.

1627
01:16:27,387 --> 01:16:29,387
>>> good morning. We're

1628
01:16:29,389 --> 01:16:30,390
on item number 9 legislative update

1629
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:34,590
and we have deborah and jordan. Welcome.

1630
01:16:39,366 --> 01:16:41,366
>> thank you. We

1631
01:16:42,369 --> 01:16:44,369
have the first

1632
01:16:45,372 --> 01:16:48,372
of a series probably bills

1633
01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:52,379
that we'll be discussing with you during

1634
01:16:52,379 --> 01:16:54,381
this year's legislative session.

1635
01:16:54,381 --> 01:16:57,384
I'm deborah borden, with me jordan colbert.

1636
01:16:57,384 --> 01:16:58,385
thank you. You're going to put the

1637
01:16:58,385 --> 01:16:59,386
bills up

1638
01:16:59,386 --> 01:17:01,388
or the position statements up. First

1639
01:17:01,388 --> 01:17:03,388
of

1640
01:17:04,391 --> 01:17:05,392
all, I would love to thank

1641
01:17:05,392 --> 01:17:07,394
several other people, other than jordan,

1642
01:17:07,394 --> 01:17:09,394
that helped

1643
01:17:10,397 --> 01:17:11,365
us out last night. We were

1644
01:17:11,365 --> 01:17:13,367
working on these statements until

1645
01:17:13,367 --> 01:17:15,767
late in the evening.

1646
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:18,370
bridget royer, emily

1647
01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:21,375
vias, kimberly man young, and

1648
01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:22,376
ilan into branda. We could not have

1649
01:17:22,376 --> 01:17:24,376
done

1650
01:17:25,379 --> 01:17:28,379
this without them and without

1651
01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:30,382
their help. It

1652
01:17:31,385 --> 01:17:32,386
was kind of critical yesterday,

1653
01:17:32,386 --> 01:17:34,388
so not enough time in the day but when

1654
01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:36,788
you have the help

1655
01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:40,391
you need it's really great

1656
01:17:40,394 --> 01:17:43,397
so thanks to them. So I

1657
01:17:43,397 --> 01:17:45,365
will stand with the land use comprehensive

1658
01:17:45,365 --> 01:17:46,366
general plans bill. We discussed this

1659
01:17:46,366 --> 01:17:48,366
a little

1660
01:17:48,368 --> 01:17:49,369
bit yesterday at the full commission

1661
01:17:49,369 --> 01:17:51,369
meeting, and,

1662
01:17:52,372 --> 01:17:54,374
yeah, this was a big one to review.

1663
01:17:54,374 --> 01:17:55,375
this is the one that was 52 pages.

1664
01:17:55,375 --> 01:17:57,775
the bill itself is

1665
01:17:58,378 --> 01:18:00,778
52 pages. As you can

1666
01:18:01,381 --> 01:18:03,381
see.

1667
01:18:04,384 --> 01:18:07,384
we put together some initial

1668
01:18:07,387 --> 01:18:09,389
comments about these changes

1669
01:18:09,389 --> 01:18:11,391
to basically the elements that would

1670
01:18:11,391 --> 01:18:13,393
go into comprehensive plans for the

1671
01:18:13,393 --> 01:18:15,793
state that would include

1672
01:18:16,396 --> 01:18:18,365
your general plan, your

1673
01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:21,365
master plans, sector plans. Basically

1674
01:18:21,368 --> 01:18:24,368
your comprehensive plans would have

1675
01:18:25,372 --> 01:18:27,372
to include these

1676
01:18:28,375 --> 01:18:30,775
revised elements. Some of

1677
01:18:31,378 --> 01:18:34,381
them are new elements and so we

1678
01:18:34,381 --> 01:18:36,383
had a lot of questions

1679
01:18:36,383 --> 01:18:37,384
from both planning departments about

1680
01:18:37,384 --> 01:18:39,384
these changes.

1681
01:18:40,387 --> 01:18:43,390
this --I don't believe this is

1682
01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:45,392
actually set for a hearing date

1683
01:18:45,392 --> 01:18:48,395
yet or at least it's not within the

1684
01:18:48,395 --> 01:18:49,396
next week or so, so we will continue

1685
01:18:49,396 --> 01:18:51,365
to look at this bill.

1686
01:18:51,365 --> 01:18:52,366
there's just so much in there. There's

1687
01:18:52,366 --> 01:18:54,366
no

1688
01:18:54,368 --> 01:18:55,369
way that we could get everything on

1689
01:18:55,369 --> 01:18:57,369
the first

1690
01:18:58,372 --> 01:19:00,374
pass. We're also going to reach

1691
01:19:00,374 --> 01:19:01,375
out to the department of planning

1692
01:19:01,375 --> 01:19:03,377
and see if we

1693
01:19:03,377 --> 01:19:04,378
can enter dialog with them. There's

1694
01:19:04,378 --> 01:19:06,378
a

1695
01:19:06,380 --> 01:19:07,381
lot to unpack here, and I don't want

1696
01:19:07,381 --> 01:19:09,381
to give

1697
01:19:09,383 --> 01:19:10,384
anybody the impression we are finished

1698
01:19:10,384 --> 01:19:12,784
with this with reviewing

1699
01:19:13,387 --> 01:19:15,389
this bill. This is

1700
01:19:15,389 --> 01:19:16,390
going to be a process. So I think I

1701
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:18,390
can stop

1702
01:19:19,393 --> 01:19:22,396
there and see, do you want me to go

1703
01:19:22,396 --> 01:19:23,397
through and hit some of the points

1704
01:19:23,397 --> 01:19:25,365
in our initial comments or do you

1705
01:19:25,365 --> 01:19:27,365
have questions

1706
01:19:28,368 --> 01:19:30,370
that you would like to dive into yourself?

1707
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:31,371
>> well, we would like you to go over

1708
01:19:31,371 --> 01:19:33,371
suggested recommendations.

1709
01:19:34,374 --> 01:19:37,377
we're going to see this again.

1710
01:19:37,377 --> 01:19:39,379
we're not making a decision on

1711
01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:43,383
this right now, but it would be good

1712
01:19:43,383 --> 01:19:44,384
to go over the key items

1713
01:19:44,384 --> 01:19:46,386
that you guys worked on last night that

1714
01:19:46,386 --> 01:19:49,386
you think are --we need

1715
01:19:49,389 --> 01:19:51,789
to really focus on.

1716
01:19:52,392 --> 01:19:54,392
>> okay. We can

1717
01:19:55,395 --> 01:19:57,395
do that. Okay.

1718
01:19:58,365 --> 01:20:00,367
so some of the more pressing

1719
01:20:00,367 --> 01:20:04,371
issues, I guess, I feel jump to are

1720
01:20:04,371 --> 01:20:06,771
the inclusion of things

1721
01:20:07,374 --> 01:20:09,774
like apf style study.

1722
01:20:10,377 --> 01:20:13,377
putting that into a plan.

1723
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:15,382
that rang alarm bells with me from a

1724
01:20:15,382 --> 01:20:16,383
legal standpoint. You know, comprehensive

1725
01:20:16,383 --> 01:20:18,383
plans

1726
01:20:19,386 --> 01:20:21,386
are

1727
01:20:22,389 --> 01:20:23,390
aspirational, visioning. They are not, you

1728
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:25,390
know,

1729
01:20:25,392 --> 01:20:27,792
legal code. They don't

1730
01:20:28,395 --> 01:20:30,395
have regulatory impact

1731
01:20:31,365 --> 01:20:33,765
except in very small

1732
01:20:34,368 --> 01:20:36,368
exceptional cases.

1733
01:20:37,371 --> 01:20:40,371
for the most part, master

1734
01:20:40,374 --> 01:20:42,774
plans are not intended

1735
01:20:43,377 --> 01:20:46,380
to be regulatory documents and so when

1736
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:48,382
you start talking about adequate public

1737
01:20:48,382 --> 01:20:49,383
facilities ordinances and adequate

1738
01:20:49,383 --> 01:20:51,383
public facilities

1739
01:20:52,386 --> 01:20:53,387
studies, those are really a different

1740
01:20:53,387 --> 01:20:55,387
animal

1741
01:20:55,389 --> 01:20:58,392
and they really, I think, it

1742
01:20:58,392 --> 01:21:01,395
becomes problematic to try to include

1743
01:21:01,395 --> 01:21:02,396
that kind of thing in a comprehensive

1744
01:21:02,396 --> 01:21:04,396
plan

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01:21:04,398 --> 01:21:05,365
of any kind, even if it's a smaller

1746
01:21:05,365 --> 01:21:07,365
study

1747
01:21:07,367 --> 01:21:10,370
area. It's very difficult to do both

1748
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:13,370
same time and do them

1749
01:21:13,373 --> 01:21:16,376
both well. You know, just because, you

1750
01:21:16,376 --> 01:21:17,377
know, even if you were able to put

1751
01:21:17,377 --> 01:21:18,378
something like that

1752
01:21:18,378 --> 01:21:19,379
into your comp plan, you know, your

1753
01:21:19,379 --> 01:21:22,382
comp plan is supposed to be

1754
01:21:22,382 --> 01:21:24,384
in place for ten

1755
01:21:24,384 --> 01:21:25,385
years or more. Things change, and, you

1756
01:21:25,385 --> 01:21:28,385
know, so how are you

1757
01:21:28,388 --> 01:21:31,391
going to change and adapt to that

1758
01:21:31,391 --> 01:21:34,394
if your apf is buried in

1759
01:21:34,394 --> 01:21:37,397
a master plan. We think it's

1760
01:21:37,397 --> 01:21:38,365
confusing and we would like to get

1761
01:21:38,365 --> 01:21:39,366
more

1762
01:21:39,366 --> 01:21:40,367
information about what they're trying to

1763
01:21:40,367 --> 01:21:42,367
do. One of

1764
01:21:44,371 --> 01:21:46,771
the other things that

1765
01:21:47,374 --> 01:21:49,376
stood out is on, I

1766
01:21:49,376 --> 01:21:50,377
guess on the second page that's on

1767
01:21:50,377 --> 01:21:52,377
the

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01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:55,380
screen. Let's see,

1769
01:21:56,383 --> 01:21:59,383
page 6, lines 23 of the bill, 23

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01:21:59,386 --> 01:22:01,386
to 30. It

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01:22:02,389 --> 01:22:04,389
talks about religious

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01:22:05,392 --> 01:22:07,792
institutions and that plans

1773
01:22:08,395 --> 01:22:10,395
should identify

1774
01:22:10,397 --> 01:22:13,367
the most appropriate patterns and

1775
01:22:13,367 --> 01:22:15,767
locations for religious institutions.

1776
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:18,372
that is problematic as well because

1777
01:22:18,372 --> 01:22:20,374
religious institutions have special

1778
01:22:20,374 --> 01:22:22,376
protection under federal law,

1779
01:22:22,376 --> 01:22:25,379
specifically related to land use and

1780
01:22:25,379 --> 01:22:26,380
specifically related to governmental

1781
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:28,380
burdens caused

1782
01:22:28,382 --> 01:22:29,383
by land use regulations. We are not

1783
01:22:29,383 --> 01:22:31,385
supposed to be in

1784
01:22:31,385 --> 01:22:32,386
the business of telling religious

1785
01:22:32,386 --> 01:22:34,386
institutions

1786
01:22:34,388 --> 01:22:35,389
where they can go and where we think they

1787
01:22:35,389 --> 01:22:37,389
can go. That's

1788
01:22:38,392 --> 01:22:40,394
just a little too

1789
01:22:40,394 --> 01:22:41,395
close to putting additional burdens

1790
01:22:41,395 --> 01:22:43,395
on them. What

1791
01:22:43,397 --> 01:22:44,398
if they don't agree and they want

1792
01:22:44,398 --> 01:22:46,366
to go some

1793
01:22:46,366 --> 01:22:50,370
place else? So, you know, we flagged

1794
01:22:50,370 --> 01:22:52,372
that for them. Let's see. What

1795
01:22:52,372 --> 01:22:53,373
else do we have?

1796
01:22:53,373 --> 01:22:54,374
>> why do you think

1797
01:22:54,374 --> 01:22:56,376
they put that in

1798
01:22:56,376 --> 01:22:59,376
there and then after that,

1799
01:22:59,379 --> 01:23:02,382
vice chair linden has his hand

1800
01:23:02,382 --> 01:23:04,382
up. Why?

1801
01:23:05,385 --> 01:23:07,385
>> I --I

1802
01:23:08,388 --> 01:23:10,388
don't

1803
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:11,391
know. I have, you know, I can speculate

1804
01:23:11,391 --> 01:23:13,391
they

1805
01:23:14,394 --> 01:23:17,394
think in some counties churches,

1806
01:23:17,397 --> 01:23:19,797
religious institutions, you know,

1807
01:23:20,367 --> 01:23:22,369
take up a huge

1808
01:23:22,369 --> 01:23:23,370
amount of land and they think that

1809
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:25,370
we

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01:23:25,372 --> 01:23:28,375
need to do a better job of, I don't

1811
01:23:28,375 --> 01:23:29,376
know, having some say about that,

1812
01:23:29,376 --> 01:23:31,376
but

1813
01:23:32,379 --> 01:23:33,380
it's a touchy thing to

1814
01:23:33,380 --> 01:23:35,382
suggest because we're not supposed to

1815
01:23:35,382 --> 01:23:37,782
be doing that. You

1816
01:23:38,385 --> 01:23:41,388
know, for the most part in most

1817
01:23:41,388 --> 01:23:42,389
zoning codes,

1818
01:23:42,389 --> 01:23:44,391
religious institutions are allowed

1819
01:23:44,391 --> 01:23:46,791
to go just about

1820
01:23:47,394 --> 01:23:49,394
anywhere, just about

1821
01:23:49,396 --> 01:23:52,366
anywhere a residential use is allowed,

1822
01:23:52,366 --> 01:23:54,766
religious institutions are allowed.

1823
01:23:55,369 --> 01:23:56,370
anywhere commercial uses are allowed

1824
01:23:56,370 --> 01:23:58,370
religious institutions are

1825
01:23:59,373 --> 01:24:02,376
allowed and that's on purpose. So

1826
01:24:02,376 --> 01:24:05,376
the suggestion was a little

1827
01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:07,779
alarming that we should

1828
01:24:08,382 --> 01:24:10,384
somehow start telling religious institutions

1829
01:24:10,384 --> 01:24:11,385
where we would prefer them to go and

1830
01:24:11,385 --> 01:24:13,385
then what

1831
01:24:14,388 --> 01:24:15,389
do we do with that

1832
01:24:15,389 --> 01:24:17,391
recommendation when the religious

1833
01:24:17,391 --> 01:24:18,392
institution comes in and wants to

1834
01:24:18,392 --> 01:24:20,392
go

1835
01:24:20,394 --> 01:24:22,394
some place else.

1836
01:24:23,397 --> 01:24:26,366
that puts us in a very difficult situation

1837
01:24:26,366 --> 01:24:28,366
and

1838
01:24:28,368 --> 01:24:29,369
possibly in a situation where we would be

1839
01:24:29,369 --> 01:24:31,369
violating

1840
01:24:32,372 --> 01:24:34,374
rlupa. That's something we would want

1841
01:24:34,374 --> 01:24:35,375
to talk to the state planners about.

1842
01:24:35,375 --> 01:24:37,375
it

1843
01:24:38,378 --> 01:24:39,379
may be that that was not their intention, but

1844
01:24:39,379 --> 01:24:41,379
we

1845
01:24:41,381 --> 01:24:44,384
don't know if they thought about

1846
01:24:44,384 --> 01:24:45,385
that.

1847
01:24:45,385 --> 01:24:47,385
>> thank you.

1848
01:24:47,387 --> 01:24:49,387
vice chair linden?

1849
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:52,790
>> thanks, artie. Yeah. On

1850
01:24:53,393 --> 01:24:55,793
the religious piece, I

1851
01:24:56,396 --> 01:24:59,366
totally agree that feels like

1852
01:24:59,366 --> 01:25:01,766
a strange and complicated

1853
01:25:02,369 --> 01:25:04,371
and very --yeah, very

1854
01:25:04,371 --> 01:25:05,372
tricky, something that has --yeah,

1855
01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:07,372
I take your

1856
01:25:08,375 --> 01:25:10,775
point, that has a

1857
01:25:11,378 --> 01:25:14,378
lot of potential problems. But

1858
01:25:14,381 --> 01:25:17,384
I wanted to touch just quickly on

1859
01:25:17,384 --> 01:25:20,387
like you were describing as the

1860
01:25:20,387 --> 01:25:22,389
apfo piece of this

1861
01:25:22,389 --> 01:25:26,393
bill, and I'm trying to better understand

1862
01:25:26,393 --> 01:25:29,396
how you think the bill kind of describes

1863
01:25:29,396 --> 01:25:32,366
the need to provide that funding because --

1864
01:25:32,366 --> 01:25:34,766
and admittedly I read

1865
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:38,372
through it for the first time yesterday and

1866
01:25:38,372 --> 01:25:40,374
I think I'm still trying to get my

1867
01:25:40,374 --> 01:25:41,375
head around a lot of pieces you were talking

1868
01:25:41,375 --> 01:25:44,375
about. My reading of it

1869
01:25:44,378 --> 01:25:46,380
was less --and please, obviously,

1870
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:47,381
correct me, my reading it was less

1871
01:25:47,381 --> 01:25:49,381
describing an

1872
01:25:50,384 --> 01:25:52,384
apfo finding or

1873
01:25:52,386 --> 01:25:53,387
specific study and more trying to

1874
01:25:53,387 --> 01:25:55,387
express the

1875
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:58,390
need to have

1876
01:25:59,393 --> 01:26:00,394
a discussion around infrastructure

1877
01:26:00,394 --> 01:26:02,394
and

1878
01:26:02,396 --> 01:26:04,796
facilities and services to

1879
01:26:05,365 --> 01:26:06,366
accommodate future growth and that kind

1880
01:26:06,366 --> 01:26:08,366
of

1881
01:26:08,368 --> 01:26:10,368
discussion is

1882
01:26:11,371 --> 01:26:12,372
not particularly unusual within comprehensive

1883
01:26:12,372 --> 01:26:14,372
plans in other

1884
01:26:14,374 --> 01:26:16,376
areas. Like just as an

1885
01:26:16,376 --> 01:26:17,377
example, in washington state, cities,

1886
01:26:17,377 --> 01:26:19,777
counties are required to

1887
01:26:20,380 --> 01:26:21,381
have what they call a capital facilities

1888
01:26:21,381 --> 01:26:23,381
element, they're

1889
01:26:24,384 --> 01:26:25,385
required to have a

1890
01:26:25,385 --> 01:26:27,387
utilities element, and the way they

1891
01:26:27,387 --> 01:26:29,387
do it

1892
01:26:29,389 --> 01:26:30,390
out there within the capital facilities element they

1893
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:32,390
use

1894
01:26:33,393 --> 01:26:34,394
that discussion to inform a

1895
01:26:34,394 --> 01:26:36,396
facility's capital improvement program

1896
01:26:36,396 --> 01:26:38,365
that's part of

1897
01:26:38,365 --> 01:26:39,366
the comprehensive plan, obviously,

1898
01:26:39,366 --> 01:26:40,367
here in this

1899
01:26:40,367 --> 01:26:42,369
county, you know, for the reasons

1900
01:26:42,369 --> 01:26:43,370
that, you know, because

1901
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:45,372
we're distinct the coin has its own

1902
01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:46,373
cip

1903
01:26:46,373 --> 01:26:48,375
and we don't really directly influence

1904
01:26:48,375 --> 01:26:49,376
that,

1905
01:26:49,376 --> 01:26:51,378
although we make recommendations, but I

1906
01:26:51,378 --> 01:26:53,378
think the benefit

1907
01:26:54,381 --> 01:26:56,381
in washington state

1908
01:26:56,383 --> 01:26:57,384
of including an infrastructure discussion is

1909
01:26:57,384 --> 01:26:59,384
that it directly

1910
01:26:59,386 --> 01:27:00,387
links growth concepts and growth plans

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01:27:00,387 --> 01:27:02,387
and future

1912
01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:05,390
land

1913
01:27:06,393 --> 01:27:08,395
use designations to a

1914
01:27:08,395 --> 01:27:09,396
formally adopted cip of some sort, and

1915
01:27:09,396 --> 01:27:11,396
not

1916
01:27:12,366 --> 01:27:13,367
saying that that would

1917
01:27:13,367 --> 01:27:15,369
be part of this here, but if it's

1918
01:27:15,369 --> 01:27:17,769
not required to make

1919
01:27:18,372 --> 01:27:20,374
a specific apfo finding, because

1920
01:27:20,374 --> 01:27:23,377
I agree that kind of finding is complex

1921
01:27:23,377 --> 01:27:24,378
and kind of --obviously, directly

1922
01:27:24,378 --> 01:27:26,378
related to

1923
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:27,381
development, and requiresrequires

1924
01:27:27,381 --> 01:27:29,381
study,

1925
01:27:29,383 --> 01:27:32,386
I tend to think there could be a benefit

1926
01:27:32,386 --> 01:27:33,387
to having a discussion around infrastructure

1927
01:27:33,387 --> 01:27:35,389
in part because we have

1928
01:27:35,389 --> 01:27:38,389
those --we have those discussions

1929
01:27:39,393 --> 01:27:41,393
anyway with our

1930
01:27:42,396 --> 01:27:43,397
master plans

1931
01:27:43,397 --> 01:27:45,365
and kind of policy discussions and

1932
01:27:45,365 --> 01:27:46,366
we talk about the growth and

1933
01:27:46,366 --> 01:27:48,368
infrastructure policy every four years, but I

1934
01:27:48,368 --> 01:27:50,370
think it helps to make

1935
01:27:50,370 --> 01:27:51,371
our master plans more practical. It

1936
01:27:51,371 --> 01:27:53,371
helps to

1937
01:27:54,374 --> 01:27:55,375
daylight things potentially for county

1938
01:27:55,375 --> 01:27:57,377
council within our recommendations

1939
01:27:57,377 --> 01:27:59,377
to make sure

1940
01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:01,381
they understand the direct

1941
01:28:01,381 --> 01:28:03,383
relationships there and I think it's

1942
01:28:03,383 --> 01:28:05,383
a helpful

1943
01:28:06,386 --> 01:28:07,387
communications tool to the

1944
01:28:07,387 --> 01:28:09,389
public we do understand what's nest

1945
01:28:09,389 --> 01:28:11,389
in a

1946
01:28:11,391 --> 01:28:14,394
general way to accommodate the growth

1947
01:28:14,394 --> 01:28:15,395
we need and based on how I've seen

1948
01:28:15,395 --> 01:28:17,395
it done in

1949
01:28:17,397 --> 01:28:18,365
other places I think it can be done

1950
01:28:18,365 --> 01:28:20,365
without

1951
01:28:21,368 --> 01:28:23,370
an intensive study of the sort if

1952
01:28:23,370 --> 01:28:24,371
apfo would require. I guess that's

1953
01:28:24,371 --> 01:28:26,371
a long way

1954
01:28:26,373 --> 01:28:27,374
of saying I would be interested to

1955
01:28:27,374 --> 01:28:29,374
see

1956
01:28:30,377 --> 01:28:32,379
if you're reading it differently that it

1957
01:28:32,379 --> 01:28:33,380
is specifically talking about adequate

1958
01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:35,380
public facilities

1959
01:28:36,383 --> 01:28:39,386
or if, you know, the --

1960
01:28:39,386 --> 01:28:41,386
potentially more generalized

1961
01:28:42,389 --> 01:28:44,391
requirement that we can then

1962
01:28:44,391 --> 01:28:47,394
implement as, you know, in other words

1963
01:28:47,394 --> 01:28:48,395
if there's some flexibility we could

1964
01:28:48,395 --> 01:28:50,395
make it

1965
01:28:51,398 --> 01:28:52,366
fit our updates?

1966
01:28:52,366 --> 01:28:54,366
>> so I will

1967
01:28:54,368 --> 01:28:57,371
give you a general answer and then I

1968
01:28:57,371 --> 01:29:00,371
feel defer to jason sartori,

1969
01:29:00,374 --> 01:29:03,377
director of planning and his staff.

1970
01:29:03,377 --> 01:29:04,378
so generally

1971
01:29:04,378 --> 01:29:06,380
speaking, of course we talk about infrastructure in

1972
01:29:06,380 --> 01:29:09,380
our master plans in our

1973
01:29:09,383 --> 01:29:11,783
general plans. Infrastructure, public

1974
01:29:12,386 --> 01:29:14,386
utilities, public

1975
01:29:15,389 --> 01:29:18,392
facilities, are all very crucial to

1976
01:29:18,392 --> 01:29:21,395
planning, you know, in any sense.

1977
01:29:21,395 --> 01:29:24,395
so that is not the

1978
01:29:24,398 --> 01:29:26,366
issue. The issue is what --why are

1979
01:29:26,366 --> 01:29:29,966
they changing the language? What are

1980
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:33,370
they trying to get at?

1981
01:29:33,373 --> 01:29:36,373
you know, what's new about

1982
01:29:36,376 --> 01:29:38,378
this? And in reading

1983
01:29:38,378 --> 01:29:39,379
through it seems like they're getting

1984
01:29:39,379 --> 01:29:41,379
way too

1985
01:29:42,382 --> 01:29:44,782
close to an adequate

1986
01:29:45,385 --> 01:29:46,386
public facility's type finding and

1987
01:29:46,386 --> 01:29:47,387
so

1988
01:29:47,387 --> 01:29:48,388
because we're not sure we need to

1989
01:29:48,388 --> 01:29:50,788
reach out to them,

1990
01:29:51,391 --> 01:29:54,394
we need to say to them this is

1991
01:29:54,394 --> 01:29:57,397
worrisome because this is not the

1992
01:29:57,397 --> 01:29:58,365
place to do that type of study, but

1993
01:29:58,365 --> 01:29:59,366
if

1994
01:29:59,366 --> 01:30:00,367
you mean something else then let's talk

1995
01:30:00,367 --> 01:30:02,367
about how we

1996
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:05,372
can clarify that. Let's talk about

1997
01:30:05,372 --> 01:30:06,373
what your intent actually is so that we

1998
01:30:06,373 --> 01:30:08,373
can get to

1999
01:30:09,376 --> 01:30:12,379
that. Because all of us, prince

2000
01:30:12,379 --> 01:30:13,380
george's, montgomery, we're all looking at

2001
01:30:13,380 --> 01:30:15,380
our public

2002
01:30:15,382 --> 01:30:18,382
facilities, the adequacy of them,

2003
01:30:18,385 --> 01:30:21,388
every single time that we do

2004
01:30:21,388 --> 01:30:22,389
a master plan, but we're looking at

2005
01:30:22,389 --> 01:30:24,389
them in a

2006
01:30:24,391 --> 01:30:25,392
general, holistic, what are the trends

2007
01:30:25,392 --> 01:30:27,392
kind of

2008
01:30:27,394 --> 01:30:29,394
ways. We're

2009
01:30:30,397 --> 01:30:33,367
not doing be a study. We seem

2010
01:30:33,367 --> 01:30:36,370
to, in this language, be getting sort

2011
01:30:36,370 --> 01:30:37,371
of conflating those things and we

2012
01:30:37,371 --> 01:30:38,372
want

2013
01:30:38,372 --> 01:30:39,373
to make sure that that is not the

2014
01:30:39,373 --> 01:30:42,373
case and that as we

2015
01:30:43,377 --> 01:30:45,377
go forward we

2016
01:30:45,379 --> 01:30:46,380
all know what we're talking about

2017
01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:48,380
when we

2018
01:30:49,383 --> 01:30:51,385
say we want you to analyze

2019
01:30:51,385 --> 01:30:53,387
the public facilities, public institutions, all

2020
01:30:53,387 --> 01:30:55,389
of these things that are, of course, you

2021
01:30:55,389 --> 01:30:56,390
know, already sort of

2022
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:58,392
embedded in the idea of master planning.

2023
01:30:58,392 --> 01:31:00,392
but

2024
01:31:01,395 --> 01:31:04,395
we want to know what

2025
01:31:04,398 --> 01:31:05,365
they mean by this

2026
01:31:05,365 --> 01:31:07,367
new language so that we can make sure

2027
01:31:07,367 --> 01:31:09,767
we're clear. I don't

2028
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:11,371
know if jason is online or in

2029
01:31:11,371 --> 01:31:15,375
the room. But please add to that.

2030
01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:17,377
>> I am here. Thank you. Vice chair

2031
01:31:17,377 --> 01:31:19,379
linden, thank you for asking that

2032
01:31:19,379 --> 01:31:20,380
question. I have

2033
01:31:20,380 --> 01:31:22,382
not personally taken too close of

2034
01:31:22,382 --> 01:31:24,382
a look at

2035
01:31:24,384 --> 01:31:28,388
this bill yet. But I will --I will

2036
01:31:28,388 --> 01:31:31,388
take a closer look at

2037
01:31:31,391 --> 01:31:34,394
it. I agree that it's --it would

2038
01:31:34,394 --> 01:31:36,394
be fine for

2039
01:31:37,397 --> 01:31:38,365
a bill to have general statements about

2040
01:31:38,365 --> 01:31:40,367
the importance of infrastructure in

2041
01:31:40,367 --> 01:31:42,367
a comprehensive

2042
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:44,371
plan, but anything that

2043
01:31:44,371 --> 01:31:46,373
gets too specific we have so many

2044
01:31:46,373 --> 01:31:48,373
other methods and

2045
01:31:49,376 --> 01:31:50,377
tools by which

2046
01:31:50,377 --> 01:31:52,379
we do that it wouldn't be appropriate

2047
01:31:52,379 --> 01:31:53,380
to have those in

2048
01:31:53,380 --> 01:31:55,382
a comprehensive plan. I also want

2049
01:31:55,382 --> 01:31:57,382
to make

2050
01:31:57,384 --> 01:31:58,385
sure that what we're looking at is

2051
01:31:58,385 --> 01:31:59,386
applicable

2052
01:31:59,386 --> 01:32:00,387
to counties because there are parts

2053
01:32:00,387 --> 01:32:03,387
of this bill specifically intended

2054
01:32:04,391 --> 01:32:06,391
for municipalities and

2055
01:32:07,394 --> 01:32:09,396
not counties and so I will take

2056
01:32:09,396 --> 01:32:10,397
a look at closer at this. I don't

2057
01:32:10,397 --> 01:32:12,366
know if

2058
01:32:12,366 --> 01:32:13,367
robert might have additional comments on

2059
01:32:13,367 --> 01:32:15,367
this.

2060
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:18,370
>> yeah. Thank.

2061
01:32:19,373 --> 01:32:20,374
I'm sorry.

2062
01:32:20,374 --> 01:32:22,374
>> go ahead. >>

2063
01:32:22,376 --> 01:32:24,376
just real quick,

2064
01:32:25,379 --> 01:32:27,381
thanks. I appreciate that. I was

2065
01:32:27,381 --> 01:32:31,385
about to raise that same issue about

2066
01:32:31,385 --> 01:32:33,385
whether this applies

2067
01:32:33,387 --> 01:32:34,388
to municipalities or counties. We

2068
01:32:34,388 --> 01:32:36,390
have a little bit more

2069
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:37,391
to read through. Looking through the

2070
01:32:37,391 --> 01:32:39,391
language it

2071
01:32:39,393 --> 01:32:40,394
appears to me on first glance this

2072
01:32:40,394 --> 01:32:42,394
particular

2073
01:32:42,396 --> 01:32:44,796
section talk about municipalities

2074
01:32:46,366 --> 01:32:48,766
and their future growth

2075
01:32:49,369 --> 01:32:52,369
areas outside of the limits.

2076
01:32:52,372 --> 01:32:54,374
and later on it talks about

2077
01:32:54,374 --> 01:32:56,774
public service and infrastructure

2078
01:32:58,378 --> 01:33:00,380
to accommodate growth within the growth

2079
01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,381
areas. I appreciate everything that

2080
01:33:01,381 --> 01:33:03,381
y'all

2081
01:33:04,384 --> 01:33:06,386
are saying. I very much

2082
01:33:06,386 --> 01:33:09,986
agree clarity around bills like this

2083
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:12,392
is hugely important. I

2084
01:33:12,392 --> 01:33:13,393
was mostly raising the question to

2085
01:33:13,393 --> 01:33:15,393
better understand

2086
01:33:16,396 --> 01:33:19,366
if we think it does --like

2087
01:33:19,366 --> 01:33:21,368
making sure that, you know, we ourselves

2088
01:33:21,368 --> 01:33:22,369
fully understand it, clarifying with them

2089
01:33:22,369 --> 01:33:24,369
if they fully

2090
01:33:24,371 --> 01:33:25,372
understand it, if it veers too closely

2091
01:33:25,372 --> 01:33:27,372
for counties,

2092
01:33:27,374 --> 01:33:30,374
that's a little more problematic.

2093
01:33:30,377 --> 01:33:32,379
but this sounds like we're sort of --

2094
01:33:32,379 --> 01:33:34,381
I appreciate everything you're saying.

2095
01:33:34,381 --> 01:33:35,382
we're on the same page.

2096
01:33:35,382 --> 01:33:37,382
>> I'm

2097
01:33:37,384 --> 01:33:38,385
not sure there's much more to add

2098
01:33:38,385 --> 01:33:40,385
to that other

2099
01:33:40,387 --> 01:33:42,389
than getting clarification and

2100
01:33:42,389 --> 01:33:43,390
providing a little bit more information

2101
01:33:43,390 --> 01:33:45,392
on what's in the

2102
01:33:45,392 --> 01:33:46,393
bill. For our comp plans, they are

2103
01:33:46,393 --> 01:33:48,393
intended to be

2104
01:33:48,395 --> 01:33:49,396
long-range visions and so that's why

2105
01:33:49,396 --> 01:33:51,396
you do an

2106
01:33:52,366 --> 01:33:53,367
apf test at the

2107
01:33:53,367 --> 01:33:55,369
development stage with a real project

2108
01:33:55,369 --> 01:33:58,369
that comes in. Again, the

2109
01:33:58,372 --> 01:34:01,372
comp plans are intended to

2110
01:34:01,375 --> 01:34:03,775
be visionary and not

2111
01:34:04,378 --> 01:34:06,380
address specific apf testing at

2112
01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:07,381
that time. We look at infrastructure

2113
01:34:07,381 --> 01:34:09,381
through master plans

2114
01:34:10,384 --> 01:34:12,386
but not to the level of a

2115
01:34:12,386 --> 01:34:13,387
development application. I think that's

2116
01:34:13,387 --> 01:34:15,387
why

2117
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:19,393
that language in the bill kind

2118
01:34:19,393 --> 01:34:20,394
of --

2119
01:34:20,394 --> 01:34:22,396
>> thank you both for that.

2120
01:34:22,396 --> 01:34:24,796
I think you can

2121
01:34:25,365 --> 01:34:27,365
move onto

2122
01:34:28,368 --> 01:34:30,368
the --

2123
01:34:30,370 --> 01:34:34,374
>> I want to highlight just a couple

2124
01:34:34,374 --> 01:34:36,374
of other things.

2125
01:34:37,377 --> 01:34:39,377
there is a

2126
01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:42,380
sort of

2127
01:34:43,383 --> 01:34:44,384
a theme running through this bill

2128
01:34:44,384 --> 01:34:46,384
that

2129
01:34:46,386 --> 01:34:49,389
they want us to look at more things

2130
01:34:49,389 --> 01:34:51,789
and do more deep

2131
01:34:52,392 --> 01:34:54,792
analysis, so things like

2132
01:34:55,395 --> 01:34:57,795
the elimination of substandard

2133
01:34:58,398 --> 01:35:00,798
dwelling conditions, a full

2134
01:35:01,368 --> 01:35:03,368
housing

2135
01:35:04,371 --> 01:35:05,372
assessment, which is not

2136
01:35:05,372 --> 01:35:07,374
really defined, you know, more economic

2137
01:35:07,374 --> 01:35:09,374
analysis, again, which

2138
01:35:10,377 --> 01:35:12,379
is not really defined.

2139
01:35:12,379 --> 01:35:13,380
you know, this could mean that we

2140
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:15,380
would have

2141
01:35:16,383 --> 01:35:17,384
to hire more experts in these areas.

2142
01:35:17,384 --> 01:35:19,384
it could

2143
01:35:20,387 --> 01:35:22,389
mean we would have to take

2144
01:35:22,389 --> 01:35:25,989
more time to complete these plans

2145
01:35:26,393 --> 01:35:29,396
if we're going to do real

2146
01:35:29,396 --> 01:35:30,397
deep dives

2147
01:35:30,397 --> 01:35:32,366
into, you know, housing conditions

2148
01:35:32,366 --> 01:35:34,366
and economic analysis.

2149
01:35:35,369 --> 01:35:37,371
again, we want to have a

2150
01:35:37,371 --> 01:35:38,372
constructive conversation about what this

2151
01:35:38,372 --> 01:35:40,372
means

2152
01:35:41,375 --> 01:35:43,375
on a

2153
01:35:43,377 --> 01:35:45,379
practical level because there can

2154
01:35:45,379 --> 01:35:47,381
be, you know, a sense that you --

2155
01:35:47,381 --> 01:35:49,381
you're

2156
01:35:50,384 --> 01:35:52,384
pursuing the perfection.

2157
01:35:52,386 --> 01:35:55,389
you're pursuing, you know, the perfect and you

2158
01:35:55,389 --> 01:35:56,390
could end up analyzing forever and never

2159
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:58,390
getting your

2160
01:35:58,392 --> 01:35:59,393
plan done. I mean, you know, there

2161
01:35:59,393 --> 01:36:01,393
are

2162
01:36:01,395 --> 01:36:05,365
lots of things we wish we could do

2163
01:36:05,365 --> 01:36:06,366
with master plans, but they are,

2164
01:36:06,366 --> 01:36:10,566
you know, they are --they have to

2165
01:36:11,371 --> 01:36:12,372
be finite at some point,

2166
01:36:12,372 --> 01:36:14,374
and so these things are concerning

2167
01:36:14,374 --> 01:36:16,374
because it --

2168
01:36:17,377 --> 01:36:19,379
they just keep adding and

2169
01:36:19,379 --> 01:36:20,380
adding to areas where we would have

2170
01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:22,380
to, you

2171
01:36:23,383 --> 01:36:25,385
know, sort of beef up

2172
01:36:25,385 --> 01:36:26,386
resources and add time and add more

2173
01:36:26,386 --> 01:36:28,386
time to

2174
01:36:29,389 --> 01:36:32,389
a process that's already pretty

2175
01:36:32,392 --> 01:36:34,792
lengthy in some, you

2176
01:36:35,395 --> 01:36:38,398
know, some circles. That's a concern

2177
01:36:38,398 --> 01:36:39,366
that we have.

2178
01:36:39,366 --> 01:36:40,367
>> great. >> great

2179
01:36:40,367 --> 01:36:41,368
to --

2180
01:36:41,368 --> 01:36:42,369
>> anything else. >> that would

2181
01:36:42,369 --> 01:36:44,371
be great to get

2182
01:36:44,371 --> 01:36:47,371
more clarification and ask why.

2183
01:36:47,374 --> 01:36:49,376
I think director sartori had his

2184
01:36:49,376 --> 01:36:50,377
hand raised.

2185
01:36:50,377 --> 01:36:51,378
>> thank you. I had a

2186
01:36:51,378 --> 01:36:53,378
question about

2187
01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:55,382
this. I know a lot of this --

2188
01:36:55,382 --> 01:36:56,383
well, portions of this are a repackaging

2189
01:36:56,383 --> 01:36:58,383
of what

2190
01:36:58,385 --> 01:36:59,386
already exists. Some of these things

2191
01:36:59,386 --> 01:37:01,386
were already required

2192
01:37:02,389 --> 01:37:03,390
and renaming them, they were reordering

2193
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:05,390
them.

2194
01:37:05,392 --> 01:37:08,392
they are adding a few

2195
01:37:11,398 --> 01:37:12,366
new things. I'm curious, though, the

2196
01:37:12,366 --> 01:37:14,366
way

2197
01:37:14,368 --> 01:37:16,370
we do master plans to our

2198
01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:19,373
general plan thriving versus all of

2199
01:37:19,373 --> 01:37:20,374
the master plans and sector plans

2200
01:37:20,374 --> 01:37:22,374
that we

2201
01:37:23,377 --> 01:37:25,777
work through that are

2202
01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:28,382
amendments to thrive. So, you

2203
01:37:28,382 --> 01:37:29,383
know, a housing element has been required

2204
01:37:29,383 --> 01:37:31,383
and our housing

2205
01:37:31,385 --> 01:37:32,386
chapter in thrive was found to be

2206
01:37:32,386 --> 01:37:33,387
sufficient as the

2207
01:37:33,387 --> 01:37:35,389
housing element required by state

2208
01:37:35,389 --> 01:37:37,389
law

2209
01:37:37,391 --> 01:37:38,392
previously. Do we need to have all

2210
01:37:38,392 --> 01:37:40,392
of these

2211
01:37:40,394 --> 01:37:41,395
different types of elements in all

2212
01:37:41,395 --> 01:37:43,395
this detail

2213
01:37:44,398 --> 01:37:47,367
in every single master plan

2214
01:37:47,367 --> 01:37:48,368
or is it sufficient for us to have elements

2215
01:37:48,368 --> 01:37:50,368
in

2216
01:37:50,370 --> 01:37:51,371
thrive alone? How does this exactly

2217
01:37:51,371 --> 01:37:52,372
apply to

2218
01:37:52,372 --> 01:37:53,373
that distinction?

2219
01:37:53,373 --> 01:37:55,373
>> yeah. That's

2220
01:37:56,376 --> 01:37:58,378
a good question, and that's

2221
01:37:58,378 --> 01:37:59,379
not entirely clear from the bill, you

2222
01:37:59,379 --> 01:38:01,379
know, because

2223
01:38:02,382 --> 01:38:03,383
legally, the definition of comp

2224
01:38:03,383 --> 01:38:05,385
plan or comprehensive plan, would

2225
01:38:05,385 --> 01:38:08,385
apply to all of our

2226
01:38:08,388 --> 01:38:09,389
master plans, all of our sector plans,

2227
01:38:09,389 --> 01:38:11,389
you

2228
01:38:11,391 --> 01:38:14,391
know, doesn't matter how large

2229
01:38:14,394 --> 01:38:17,394
the geography is. You know,

2230
01:38:17,397 --> 01:38:20,367
so that's a good question. And

2231
01:38:20,367 --> 01:38:21,368
that's one that we would like to discuss with

2232
01:38:21,368 --> 01:38:23,368
the

2233
01:38:23,370 --> 01:38:25,370
department of planning.

2234
01:38:26,373 --> 01:38:28,373
you know, because

2235
01:38:29,376 --> 01:38:30,377
again, you could read --you know, you

2236
01:38:30,377 --> 01:38:32,377
could

2237
01:38:32,379 --> 01:38:35,382
read this to apply to just

2238
01:38:35,382 --> 01:38:38,382
about any planning process that

2239
01:38:38,385 --> 01:38:41,388
we enter into and that could be

2240
01:38:41,388 --> 01:38:42,389
incredibly impactful, you know. I

2241
01:38:42,389 --> 01:38:44,389
can't

2242
01:38:44,391 --> 01:38:47,391
answer your question, but I

2243
01:38:47,394 --> 01:38:49,396
think that's a good

2244
01:38:49,396 --> 01:38:50,397
question.

2245
01:38:50,397 --> 01:38:51,398
>> commissioner linden has his

2246
01:38:51,398 --> 01:38:53,398
hand up.

2247
01:38:56,370 --> 01:38:58,370
>> director sartori's

2248
01:38:58,372 --> 01:38:59,373
question, I'm glad, thank you for

2249
01:38:59,373 --> 01:39:01,373
asking that, that

2250
01:39:01,375 --> 01:39:02,376
was one of the things I was going

2251
01:39:02,376 --> 01:39:05,376
to raise as well. Sounds

2252
01:39:05,379 --> 01:39:08,382
like some charity there is good.

2253
01:39:08,382 --> 01:39:11,385
I just had one final comment

2254
01:39:11,385 --> 01:39:13,385
about --I know

2255
01:39:13,387 --> 01:39:14,388
we're not making decisions on this

2256
01:39:14,388 --> 01:39:17,388
today, so this is more

2257
01:39:17,391 --> 01:39:18,392
comment for our own consideration

2258
01:39:18,392 --> 01:39:19,393
as we

2259
01:39:19,393 --> 01:39:20,394
move toward, you know, deciding how

2260
01:39:20,394 --> 01:39:22,394
we want

2261
01:39:22,396 --> 01:39:23,397
to transmit or, you know, whether

2262
01:39:23,397 --> 01:39:25,399
we want to transmit support or

2263
01:39:25,399 --> 01:39:26,366
just comments or whatever the case

2264
01:39:26,366 --> 01:39:28,366
is. So

2265
01:39:28,368 --> 01:39:31,368
it looks like they're introducing

2266
01:39:32,372 --> 01:39:35,375
a new resilience element, which I

2267
01:39:35,375 --> 01:39:37,775
saw, you know, some

2268
01:39:38,378 --> 01:39:41,378
discussion around that in ms.

2269
01:39:41,381 --> 01:39:44,381
jordan's team document, which appears

2270
01:39:44,384 --> 01:39:47,387
to sort of get at --

2271
01:39:47,387 --> 01:39:50,390
it appears to cover a variety of different

2272
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:52,390
things, environmental,

2273
01:39:53,393 --> 01:39:54,394
climate, probably some other things.

2274
01:39:54,394 --> 01:39:55,395
I

2275
01:39:55,395 --> 01:39:56,396
was wondering if there would be any

2276
01:39:56,396 --> 01:39:58,796
appetite on our end

2277
01:39:59,366 --> 01:40:02,366
to considering a recommendation to

2278
01:40:03,370 --> 01:40:05,372
the bill authors to

2279
01:40:05,372 --> 01:40:08,372
consider reframing this element as

2280
01:40:08,375 --> 01:40:11,975
some version of climate change and

2281
01:40:12,379 --> 01:40:14,779
resilience to, you know,

2282
01:40:15,382 --> 01:40:17,782
just to elevate climate

2283
01:40:18,385 --> 01:40:19,386
to a more kind of serious

2284
01:40:19,386 --> 01:40:21,388
point of consideration in all of our

2285
01:40:21,388 --> 01:40:23,388
master planning and

2286
01:40:24,391 --> 01:40:25,392
general plan efforts. Not that

2287
01:40:25,392 --> 01:40:27,394
we internally don't here. I know we

2288
01:40:27,394 --> 01:40:29,396
do it here. In

2289
01:40:29,396 --> 01:40:30,397
terms of state wide. I think that could

2290
01:40:30,397 --> 01:40:32,366
be --

2291
01:40:32,366 --> 01:40:35,369
it's coming back to kind of, you know,

2292
01:40:35,369 --> 01:40:36,370
emerging practices or how other communities

2293
01:40:36,370 --> 01:40:38,370
are sort of

2294
01:40:38,372 --> 01:40:39,373
treating climate change from a planning

2295
01:40:39,373 --> 01:40:41,373
perspective these

2296
01:40:42,376 --> 01:40:44,776
days. Increasingly many do

2297
01:40:45,379 --> 01:40:47,779
try to have chapters

2298
01:40:48,382 --> 01:40:51,382
or elements within these comp

2299
01:40:51,385 --> 01:40:54,385
plan updates for master plan

2300
01:40:54,388 --> 01:40:55,389
or sector plan updates. It provides

2301
01:40:55,389 --> 01:40:56,390
a

2302
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:57,391
way to talk about several different

2303
01:40:57,391 --> 01:40:59,391
things

2304
01:41:00,394 --> 01:41:02,394
including what jurisdictions

2305
01:41:03,397 --> 01:41:05,797
can do to reduce

2306
01:41:06,366 --> 01:41:08,366
greenhouse gas to

2307
01:41:08,368 --> 01:41:09,369
the com plan and cover resilience

2308
01:41:09,369 --> 01:41:10,370
too.

2309
01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:14,374
I guess that's an open question for

2310
01:41:14,374 --> 01:41:15,375
us if that's something that we could

2311
01:41:15,375 --> 01:41:17,375
discuss more

2312
01:41:17,377 --> 01:41:18,378
as we move toward a decision on this

2313
01:41:18,378 --> 01:41:20,378
and if it's

2314
01:41:20,380 --> 01:41:21,381
worth providing that recommendation

2315
01:41:21,381 --> 01:41:22,382
back to the

2316
01:41:22,382 --> 01:41:24,384
state. Obviously, recognize that, you

2317
01:41:24,384 --> 01:41:26,384
know, when you

2318
01:41:27,387 --> 01:41:30,390
start introducing kind of things and climate

2319
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:32,790
change at a legislative

2320
01:41:33,393 --> 01:41:35,393
level

2321
01:41:35,395 --> 01:41:36,396
it gets political quick and I get

2322
01:41:36,396 --> 01:41:38,398
that and taking a

2323
01:41:38,398 --> 01:41:39,366
bite at the apple without raise too

2324
01:41:39,366 --> 01:41:41,366
long many

2325
01:41:42,369 --> 01:41:44,371
flags. I do think it's

2326
01:41:44,371 --> 01:41:45,372
worth elevating. I understand it's

2327
01:41:45,372 --> 01:41:47,372
something

2328
01:41:48,375 --> 01:41:51,378
worth taking on if we're supportive

2329
01:41:51,378 --> 01:41:53,378
of making that

2330
01:41:54,381 --> 01:41:55,382
recommendation. Wants I wanted to

2331
01:41:55,382 --> 01:41:56,383
flag something

2332
01:41:56,383 --> 01:41:57,384
on my mind with our work, obviously,

2333
01:41:57,384 --> 01:41:58,385
but

2334
01:41:58,385 --> 01:42:00,387
this seems like a good opportunity

2335
01:42:00,387 --> 01:42:02,387
to

2336
01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:06,390
codify it in state law.

2337
01:42:06,393 --> 01:42:08,395
>> would defer to director

2338
01:42:08,395 --> 01:42:09,396
sartori's staff to come up with some

2339
01:42:09,396 --> 01:42:11,396
maybe

2340
01:42:12,366 --> 01:42:15,366
proposed language and then we

2341
01:42:15,369 --> 01:42:18,369
could react to that. And

2342
01:42:18,372 --> 01:42:21,372
maybe they could, you know,

2343
01:42:21,375 --> 01:42:23,377
include a little sort

2344
01:42:23,377 --> 01:42:24,378
of blurb to talk about why they think

2345
01:42:24,378 --> 01:42:26,380
it's a better framing of

2346
01:42:26,380 --> 01:42:27,381
the issue. I would defer to that.

2347
01:42:27,381 --> 01:42:29,381
>> thanks for bringing

2348
01:42:30,384 --> 01:42:32,384
that up, vice

2349
01:42:32,386 --> 01:42:33,387
chair. I would like to, give all this

2350
01:42:33,387 --> 01:42:35,387
that just

2351
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:37,391
came through, I would

2352
01:42:37,391 --> 01:42:39,393
like to review it all and we're all looking

2353
01:42:39,393 --> 01:42:41,395
at it together and the next time

2354
01:42:41,395 --> 01:42:42,396
we get together we can discuss it.

2355
01:42:42,396 --> 01:42:44,396
but thank you

2356
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:46,366
for bringing that up.

2357
01:42:46,366 --> 01:42:47,367
>> okay. I

2358
01:42:47,367 --> 01:42:48,368
feel move onto the next. And thank you

2359
01:42:48,368 --> 01:42:50,368
for those

2360
01:42:51,371 --> 01:42:53,371
comments. I really

2361
01:42:54,374 --> 01:42:57,377
appreciate them. So the next one is

2362
01:42:57,377 --> 01:43:00,380
the starter and silver homes act.

2363
01:43:00,380 --> 01:43:02,780
we mentioned this yesterday

2364
01:43:03,383 --> 01:43:06,383
at your meeting. The --this

2365
01:43:06,386 --> 01:43:08,386
is the bill

2366
01:43:09,389 --> 01:43:11,789
from the governor's administration

2367
01:43:12,392 --> 01:43:14,392
dhcd had

2368
01:43:15,395 --> 01:43:17,395
proposed this bill.

2369
01:43:18,398 --> 01:43:20,398
this bill would

2370
01:43:21,368 --> 01:43:23,368
make some fairly

2371
01:43:24,371 --> 01:43:26,771
significant inroads by the

2372
01:43:27,374 --> 01:43:29,774
state into local zoning

2373
01:43:30,377 --> 01:43:32,377
authority.

2374
01:43:33,380 --> 01:43:35,380
the

2375
01:43:36,383 --> 01:43:38,383
bill would --

2376
01:43:39,386 --> 01:43:41,786
that we not enforce

2377
01:43:42,389 --> 01:43:44,789
lot size, setback, dimension

2378
01:43:45,392 --> 01:43:47,392
requirements, design,

2379
01:43:48,395 --> 01:43:50,395
architectural elements, for

2380
01:43:51,398 --> 01:43:53,398
certain single-family homes.

2381
01:43:54,368 --> 01:43:56,368
and the

2382
01:43:57,371 --> 01:44:00,371
bill would prohibit local --the

2383
01:44:00,374 --> 01:44:02,374
local

2384
01:44:03,377 --> 01:44:05,377
jurisdictions from certain

2385
01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:08,380
subdivisions. It would

2386
01:44:09,383 --> 01:44:12,386
allow as long as a lot

2387
01:44:12,386 --> 01:44:14,386
has sufficient lot

2388
01:44:15,389 --> 01:44:18,389
size, it would allow, you

2389
01:44:18,392 --> 01:44:19,393
know, basically buy right subdivision, you

2390
01:44:19,393 --> 01:44:21,393
know,

2391
01:44:21,395 --> 01:44:23,395
up to a

2392
01:44:24,398 --> 01:44:26,398
certain size. This

2393
01:44:27,367 --> 01:44:29,367
bill

2394
01:44:30,370 --> 01:44:33,373
really makes a lot of changes in

2395
01:44:33,373 --> 01:44:34,374
a statewide way to local zoning rules

2396
01:44:34,374 --> 01:44:36,374
and

2397
01:44:37,377 --> 01:44:39,377
regulations that differ

2398
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:43,380
county by county. And sometimes

2399
01:44:43,383 --> 01:44:44,384
city or town by city.

2400
01:44:44,384 --> 01:44:48,584
so we're very concerned about the sort

2401
01:44:49,389 --> 01:44:51,389
of one-size-fits-all approach

2402
01:44:52,392 --> 01:44:54,392
to this. We're

2403
01:44:55,395 --> 01:44:57,397
concerned about the impact

2404
01:44:57,397 --> 01:44:58,398
on existing neighborhoods because you

2405
01:44:58,398 --> 01:45:00,367
can

2406
01:45:00,367 --> 01:45:01,368
visualize this, existing neighborhood

2407
01:45:01,368 --> 01:45:03,368
that

2408
01:45:04,371 --> 01:45:07,371
maybe has a lot or

2409
01:45:07,374 --> 01:45:10,377
two that hasn't been built yet.

2410
01:45:10,377 --> 01:45:13,380
that lot could then come in and

2411
01:45:13,380 --> 01:45:16,383
say, well, I don't have to do

2412
01:45:16,383 --> 01:45:18,385
setbacks, I don't have to do

2413
01:45:18,385 --> 01:45:19,386
minimum lot requirements anymore, I

2414
01:45:19,386 --> 01:45:22,389
can split this lot into two

2415
01:45:22,389 --> 01:45:23,390
and build two homes

2416
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:25,392
where normally, you know, and in looking at

2417
01:45:25,392 --> 01:45:26,393
the

2418
01:45:26,393 --> 01:45:28,395
neighborhood I would only build one.

2419
01:45:28,395 --> 01:45:31,395
and the other thing that

2420
01:45:31,398 --> 01:45:33,398
really concerns us

2421
01:45:34,368 --> 01:45:36,370
is, there are other

2422
01:45:36,370 --> 01:45:39,370
efforts to increase affordable housing

2423
01:45:40,374 --> 01:45:43,374
or increase the supply of

2424
01:45:43,377 --> 01:45:44,378
housing. And one of those efforts

2425
01:45:44,378 --> 01:45:46,378
was

2426
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:47,381
recent. It was the adu bill,

2427
01:45:47,381 --> 01:45:49,383
the requirement that, you know, we

2428
01:45:49,383 --> 01:45:51,383
all figure out

2429
01:45:52,386 --> 01:45:54,386
a way to

2430
01:45:55,389 --> 01:45:57,391
do and to allow accessory

2431
01:45:57,391 --> 01:45:58,392
dwelling units. Well, you know, we're

2432
01:45:58,392 --> 01:46:00,392
not

2433
01:46:01,395 --> 01:46:04,398
really sure that this is going to

2434
01:46:04,398 --> 01:46:07,367
work well or work in concert with

2435
01:46:07,367 --> 01:46:10,370
that. This new bill, it seems to

2436
01:46:10,370 --> 01:46:12,370
us,

2437
01:46:13,373 --> 01:46:14,374
may contradict or work, you know, to

2438
01:46:14,374 --> 01:46:16,374
have

2439
01:46:16,376 --> 01:46:18,378
the opposite effect of the adus. Because

2440
01:46:18,378 --> 01:46:19,379
if you can just split your lot and

2441
01:46:19,379 --> 01:46:21,379
create

2442
01:46:22,382 --> 01:46:25,385
another home or sell another lot

2443
01:46:25,385 --> 01:46:28,385
for another home to be

2444
01:46:28,388 --> 01:46:30,388
built, wouldn't

2445
01:46:31,391 --> 01:46:34,394
that just, you know, be a

2446
01:46:34,394 --> 01:46:35,395
disincentive to do an adu?

2447
01:46:35,395 --> 01:46:40,367
we're not sure if that would apply because there are so

2448
01:46:40,367 --> 01:46:42,367
many

2449
01:46:43,370 --> 01:46:44,371
different issues that we would have

2450
01:46:44,371 --> 01:46:46,371
to

2451
01:46:46,373 --> 01:46:47,374
test to see if that's the case,

2452
01:46:47,374 --> 01:46:49,376
but we're concerned that might be the

2453
01:46:49,376 --> 01:46:51,376
case

2454
01:46:52,379 --> 01:46:55,382
because we would have to put through

2455
01:46:55,382 --> 01:46:56,383
the parameters that are in this bill

2456
01:46:56,383 --> 01:46:58,383
and

2457
01:46:58,385 --> 01:47:00,785
actually test them and

2458
01:47:01,388 --> 01:47:04,391
see if, you know, if it makes, you

2459
01:47:04,391 --> 01:47:06,391
know, the adus

2460
01:47:07,394 --> 01:47:08,395
less palatable to

2461
01:47:08,395 --> 01:47:10,397
people who could just divide their

2462
01:47:10,397 --> 01:47:13,367
lots instead where maybe they

2463
01:47:13,367 --> 01:47:15,367
couldn't divide their

2464
01:47:15,369 --> 01:47:16,370
lots today. So we want to look at

2465
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:18,370
that.

2466
01:47:19,373 --> 01:47:20,374
we want to do some examples so that we

2467
01:47:20,374 --> 01:47:22,374
can

2468
01:47:22,376 --> 01:47:24,376
show that, you

2469
01:47:25,379 --> 01:47:28,379
know, these concerns are real.

2470
01:47:28,382 --> 01:47:29,383
we have some

2471
01:47:29,383 --> 01:47:31,385
technical comments we've put together.

2472
01:47:31,385 --> 01:47:33,385
we

2473
01:47:33,387 --> 01:47:34,388
do have a meeting scheduled with the

2474
01:47:34,388 --> 01:47:35,389
department

2475
01:47:35,389 --> 01:47:37,391
of housing and community development at

2476
01:47:37,391 --> 01:47:38,392
the state level. We want to talk to them about

2477
01:47:38,392 --> 01:47:40,392
this bill.

2478
01:47:43,397 --> 01:47:46,366
you know, because, you know,

2479
01:47:46,366 --> 01:47:48,366
we're concerned. We're

2480
01:47:49,369 --> 01:47:52,372
concerned about the state treating all

2481
01:47:52,372 --> 01:47:54,372
of our

2482
01:47:55,375 --> 01:47:56,376
counties the same and expecting a

2483
01:47:56,376 --> 01:47:58,376
good

2484
01:47:58,378 --> 01:48:01,381
result. We don't think this is

2485
01:48:01,381 --> 01:48:02,382
going to have a good

2486
01:48:02,382 --> 01:48:04,384
result because the results will be

2487
01:48:04,384 --> 01:48:07,384
uneven and sometimes they will

2488
01:48:07,387 --> 01:48:09,389
be counter to what the

2489
01:48:09,389 --> 01:48:10,390
state is trying to do, and that's

2490
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:12,390
not

2491
01:48:13,393 --> 01:48:14,394
helpful. You know, it doesn't help

2492
01:48:14,394 --> 01:48:15,395
when, you know,

2493
01:48:15,395 --> 01:48:16,396
the state thinks, you know, this is

2494
01:48:16,396 --> 01:48:18,396
what we're

2495
01:48:18,398 --> 01:48:19,366
going to do, this is how we're going

2496
01:48:19,366 --> 01:48:21,368
to do it and it

2497
01:48:21,368 --> 01:48:22,369
doesn't work at the local level. That

2498
01:48:22,369 --> 01:48:24,369
doesn't

2499
01:48:24,371 --> 01:48:25,372
help any of us. We're trying to be

2500
01:48:25,372 --> 01:48:27,372
helpful. We

2501
01:48:28,375 --> 01:48:29,376
want to be helpful. We want --we all

2502
01:48:29,376 --> 01:48:30,377
have

2503
01:48:30,377 --> 01:48:31,378
the same goal. We want affordable

2504
01:48:31,378 --> 01:48:33,378
housing. We

2505
01:48:34,381 --> 01:48:37,384
want more supply of affordable housing.

2506
01:48:37,384 --> 01:48:39,784
that is what we

2507
01:48:40,387 --> 01:48:42,389
want. There's no question about that.

2508
01:48:42,389 --> 01:48:45,392
it's about how we get there and not

2509
01:48:45,392 --> 01:48:46,393
going forward too fast and making

2510
01:48:46,393 --> 01:48:48,395
mistakes that will then make

2511
01:48:48,395 --> 01:48:49,396
the provision of affordable housing

2512
01:48:49,396 --> 01:48:51,396
harder. We don't

2513
01:48:51,398 --> 01:48:52,399
want that. We're going to work with

2514
01:48:52,399 --> 01:48:54,399
them.

2515
01:48:55,369 --> 01:48:56,370
these are our initial comments, as I

2516
01:48:56,370 --> 01:48:58,370
said.

2517
01:48:58,372 --> 01:49:00,374
we will bring this back

2518
01:49:00,374 --> 01:49:01,375
to you again probably at least twice,

2519
01:49:01,375 --> 01:49:03,375
so that we

2520
01:49:04,378 --> 01:49:07,381
can refine what we're saying and

2521
01:49:07,381 --> 01:49:09,381
hopefully we'll get

2522
01:49:10,384 --> 01:49:13,387
some clarity when we meet with dacd.

2523
01:49:13,387 --> 01:49:15,787
we'll get some clarity

2524
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:17,391
on some of these points. Hopefully

2525
01:49:17,391 --> 01:49:19,391
they'll

2526
01:49:19,393 --> 01:49:20,394
be open to some suggestions about

2527
01:49:20,394 --> 01:49:22,394
what we

2528
01:49:23,397 --> 01:49:26,366
can do to make all of this work.

2529
01:49:26,366 --> 01:49:27,367
>> yes.

2530
01:49:27,367 --> 01:49:29,369
>> I'll stop there and see if you have

2531
01:49:29,369 --> 01:49:30,370
any questions.

2532
01:49:30,370 --> 01:49:32,370
>> can I say

2533
01:49:32,372 --> 01:49:35,372
one thing? It's a fine

2534
01:49:35,375 --> 01:49:38,378
line and I know one size doesn't

2535
01:49:38,378 --> 01:49:40,380
fit all and just

2536
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:43,383
certain areas having, you know, really, really

2537
01:49:43,383 --> 01:49:47,387
small lots may not work. The goal is how do

2538
01:49:47,387 --> 01:49:49,387
you

2539
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:52,390
--can we

2540
01:49:53,393 --> 01:49:55,395
make? To give the nudge,

2541
01:49:55,395 --> 01:49:59,399
right, how do you --what are --what

2542
01:49:59,399 --> 01:50:01,399
are comments that

2543
01:50:02,369 --> 01:50:04,371
give a nudge to all

2544
01:50:04,371 --> 01:50:07,371
the municipalities around that you

2545
01:50:08,375 --> 01:50:11,375
need to do things differently?

2546
01:50:11,378 --> 01:50:14,381
so I know what's here won't make

2547
01:50:14,381 --> 01:50:16,383
it --but --because we all

2548
01:50:16,383 --> 01:50:17,384
municipalities even in our county, you know,

2549
01:50:17,384 --> 01:50:19,384
there's the down

2550
01:50:19,386 --> 01:50:20,387
county, the mid county, up county

2551
01:50:20,387 --> 01:50:22,387
with all

2552
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:24,391
different right of way

2553
01:50:24,391 --> 01:50:26,393
of lot sizes. Let's think through.

2554
01:50:26,393 --> 01:50:28,393
let's put

2555
01:50:29,396 --> 01:50:31,796
our thinking hats on.

2556
01:50:32,399 --> 01:50:35,369
what could we say that

2557
01:50:35,369 --> 01:50:37,371
could give the nudge? You need some

2558
01:50:37,371 --> 01:50:38,372
nudges because we've tried really

2559
01:50:38,372 --> 01:50:40,372
hard over

2560
01:50:41,375 --> 01:50:43,377
the past couple years with all

2561
01:50:43,377 --> 01:50:44,378
of these obtainable housing, more

2562
01:50:44,378 --> 01:50:46,378
housing now and

2563
01:50:47,381 --> 01:50:49,381
these other

2564
01:50:50,384 --> 01:50:52,784
things, to try to

2565
01:50:53,387 --> 01:50:54,388
do it in a way where we

2566
01:50:54,388 --> 01:50:56,390
have people on our local level, you

2567
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:58,390
know, in our

2568
01:50:59,393 --> 01:51:02,393
own context, and everyone agrees

2569
01:51:02,396 --> 01:51:05,396
we need more housing, all

2570
01:51:05,399 --> 01:51:07,799
types, everywhere. But we're

2571
01:51:08,368 --> 01:51:10,368
not getting there.

2572
01:51:11,371 --> 01:51:13,373
what's --what gets approved

2573
01:51:13,373 --> 01:51:14,374
is nominal for the --

2574
01:51:14,374 --> 01:51:15,375
>> for the larger --

2575
01:51:15,375 --> 01:51:17,375
>>

2576
01:51:17,377 --> 01:51:19,379
so let's --that would

2577
01:51:19,379 --> 01:51:20,380
be my suggestion. Let's put our heads

2578
01:51:20,380 --> 01:51:22,380
together. How

2579
01:51:23,383 --> 01:51:24,384
can we change all this and

2580
01:51:24,384 --> 01:51:26,386
give recommendations to at least provide

2581
01:51:26,386 --> 01:51:28,388
a nudge. We do want

2582
01:51:28,388 --> 01:51:29,389
to bring our local partners in the

2583
01:51:29,389 --> 01:51:31,389
game. Don't want

2584
01:51:32,392 --> 01:51:35,395
to get too ahead of them, but at

2585
01:51:35,395 --> 01:51:36,396
the same time we haven't --

2586
01:51:36,396 --> 01:51:37,397
>> just

2587
01:51:37,397 --> 01:51:38,398
trying

2588
01:51:38,398 --> 01:51:40,398
to understand

2589
01:51:41,368 --> 01:51:43,370
this bill a little bit more.

2590
01:51:43,370 --> 01:51:44,371
when you say certain areas, could

2591
01:51:44,371 --> 01:51:46,371
you

2592
01:51:47,374 --> 01:51:50,377
just give a little bit more

2593
01:51:50,377 --> 01:51:52,377
example? Where

2594
01:51:53,380 --> 01:51:54,381
are those certain areas?

2595
01:51:54,381 --> 01:51:56,381
>> okay.

2596
01:51:56,383 --> 01:51:59,386
I will go to the bill

2597
01:51:59,386 --> 01:52:02,389
and I will look at --

2598
01:52:02,389 --> 01:52:05,389
let's see. Some of the

2599
01:52:05,392 --> 01:52:06,393
language. Luckily this bill

2600
01:52:06,393 --> 01:52:07,394
is not 52 pages.

2601
01:52:07,394 --> 01:52:09,794
>> and just so you

2602
01:52:11,398 --> 01:52:12,399
know, lisalisa here as well.

2603
01:52:12,399 --> 01:52:13,367
>> wonderful.

2604
01:52:13,367 --> 01:52:14,368
>> to help you out with some of the

2605
01:52:14,368 --> 01:52:15,369
details.

2606
01:52:15,369 --> 01:52:17,369
>> thank you.

2607
01:52:17,371 --> 01:52:20,371
actually, why don't I defer

2608
01:52:20,374 --> 01:52:21,375
to lisa on that question?

2609
01:52:21,375 --> 01:52:23,375
>>

2610
01:52:23,377 --> 01:52:25,377
sure. Lisa, planning

2611
01:52:26,380 --> 01:52:29,380
supervisor with design --so the

2612
01:52:29,383 --> 01:52:30,384
area that we're generally talk

2613
01:52:30,384 --> 01:52:32,386
about in this bill are areas that

2614
01:52:32,386 --> 01:52:35,386
are connected or planned to

2615
01:52:35,389 --> 01:52:37,391
be connected to public water

2616
01:52:37,391 --> 01:52:38,392
and suer systems. So one of the things

2617
01:52:38,392 --> 01:52:40,392
we're come back

2618
01:52:40,394 --> 01:52:41,395
with, we have a graph of the zones

2619
01:52:41,395 --> 01:52:44,398
and how much of them are covered

2620
01:52:44,398 --> 01:52:46,366
by water and sewer, but if

2621
01:52:46,366 --> 01:52:47,367
we're generally talking about our

2622
01:52:47,367 --> 01:52:49,367
residential

2623
01:52:50,370 --> 01:52:52,370
detach, so think

2624
01:52:53,373 --> 01:52:55,373
60, our 90,

2625
01:52:56,376 --> 01:52:57,377
40, 200, some of the residential state

2626
01:52:57,377 --> 01:52:59,377
zones like ra

2627
01:52:59,379 --> 01:53:00,380
2, ra 1, but not the

2628
01:53:00,380 --> 01:53:02,382
entirety of the zones because they're

2629
01:53:02,382 --> 01:53:04,382
not all

2630
01:53:05,385 --> 01:53:08,385
served by water and seer

2631
01:53:08,388 --> 01:53:09,389
with which ms. Jordan said the problem

2632
01:53:09,389 --> 01:53:10,390
one size

2633
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:11,391
fits all but our zones are not one

2634
01:53:11,391 --> 01:53:13,391
size fits

2635
01:53:13,393 --> 01:53:14,394
all.

2636
01:53:14,394 --> 01:53:15,395
>> it's the majority of the county?

2637
01:53:15,395 --> 01:53:16,396
>>

2638
01:53:16,396 --> 01:53:17,397
the majority of the residential zones.

2639
01:53:17,397 --> 01:53:19,397
>> residential zone.

2640
01:53:20,367 --> 01:53:23,370
and the way that it is

2641
01:53:23,370 --> 01:53:26,373
written, it's going to change it

2642
01:53:26,373 --> 01:53:29,376
with no public input and no council

2643
01:53:29,376 --> 01:53:32,376
oversight, so the thing is

2644
01:53:32,379 --> 01:53:35,379
that supposedly this bill goes

2645
01:53:35,382 --> 01:53:36,383
through people really don't follow

2646
01:53:36,383 --> 01:53:38,383
it

2647
01:53:38,385 --> 01:53:39,386
and suddenly everything in the county

2648
01:53:39,386 --> 01:53:41,386
would

2649
01:53:41,388 --> 01:53:43,390
change with no public

2650
01:53:43,390 --> 01:53:44,391
input or the county council oversight.

2651
01:53:44,391 --> 01:53:46,391
is that correct?

2652
01:53:47,394 --> 01:53:50,397
>> I think the public input on the

2653
01:53:50,397 --> 01:53:51,398
state legislative session.

2654
01:53:51,398 --> 01:53:52,399
>> yeah.

2655
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:53,367
>>

2656
01:53:53,367 --> 01:53:54,368
but generally there would be a lot

2657
01:53:54,368 --> 01:53:55,369
of changes that would have to be

2658
01:53:55,369 --> 01:53:56,370
made to minimum lot sizes, coverage

2659
01:53:56,370 --> 01:53:58,370
and setback.

2660
01:53:59,373 --> 01:54:02,376
there would be a lot of changes to those

2661
01:54:02,376 --> 01:54:03,377
through this legislation.

2662
01:54:03,377 --> 01:54:04,378
>> yeah.

2663
01:54:04,378 --> 01:54:05,379
I know

2664
01:54:05,379 --> 01:54:08,382
that's some of my --I can hear --

2665
01:54:08,382 --> 01:54:10,382
but I do

2666
01:54:11,385 --> 01:54:14,388
support, you know, what, you know, ms.

2667
01:54:14,388 --> 01:54:15,389
borden talked about. That's something

2668
01:54:15,389 --> 01:54:17,389
that we

2669
01:54:17,391 --> 01:54:18,392
don't really know how it's going to

2670
01:54:18,392 --> 01:54:20,392
be

2671
01:54:21,395 --> 01:54:23,397
done and how it would

2672
01:54:23,397 --> 01:54:26,400
work. You know, usually if you have

2673
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:27,367
public access available and everything, you

2674
01:54:27,367 --> 01:54:28,368
know, public

2675
01:54:28,368 --> 01:54:30,370
transportation or something, but this

2676
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:31,371
is not even looking at

2677
01:54:31,371 --> 01:54:33,373
that. It's just looking at public

2678
01:54:33,373 --> 01:54:35,373
water and

2679
01:54:35,375 --> 01:54:36,376
sewer.

2680
01:54:36,376 --> 01:54:37,377
>> that was one of the comments

2681
01:54:37,377 --> 01:54:38,378
that the

2682
01:54:38,378 --> 01:54:39,379
overarching comments we made this kind

2683
01:54:39,379 --> 01:54:41,379
of

2684
01:54:41,381 --> 01:54:42,382
goes against a lot of growth. A lot

2685
01:54:42,382 --> 01:54:44,382
of

2686
01:54:45,385 --> 01:54:47,387
our zones areare 200, for

2687
01:54:47,387 --> 01:54:48,388
example, not exactly the most transit

2688
01:54:48,388 --> 01:54:50,388
accessible zone for

2689
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:51,391
a lot of it and that goes against

2690
01:54:51,391 --> 01:54:53,391
some of our

2691
01:54:54,394 --> 01:54:55,395
basic --

2692
01:54:55,395 --> 01:54:57,395
>> yes. And

2693
01:54:57,397 --> 01:54:58,398
also the quality of life for

2694
01:54:58,398 --> 01:55:00,367
the existing communities completely.

2695
01:55:00,367 --> 01:55:01,368
that's why when

2696
01:55:01,368 --> 01:55:03,370
you take the public input out that's the

2697
01:55:03,370 --> 01:55:05,770
impact you could see.

2698
01:55:06,373 --> 01:55:08,373
>> I would just

2699
01:55:08,375 --> 01:55:09,376
like to comment that I've read through

2700
01:55:09,376 --> 01:55:11,376
the language and

2701
01:55:11,378 --> 01:55:14,381
it's incredibly complex and I appreciate

2702
01:55:14,381 --> 01:55:15,382
the technical comments about sewer

2703
01:55:15,382 --> 01:55:16,383
and water

2704
01:55:16,383 --> 01:55:18,385
access but there's nothing in this

2705
01:55:18,385 --> 01:55:20,387
billbill would do what we

2706
01:55:20,387 --> 01:55:21,388
say we want to do is increase housing

2707
01:55:21,388 --> 01:55:23,388
supply.

2708
01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:24,391
we've seen and know from existing

2709
01:55:24,391 --> 01:55:26,391
jurisdictions who have

2710
01:55:27,394 --> 01:55:28,395
lowered the lot size to 1800

2711
01:55:28,395 --> 01:55:30,397
square feet, I'm thinking of austin

2712
01:55:30,397 --> 01:55:33,367
specifically we've seen a growth

2713
01:55:33,367 --> 01:55:34,368
and growth in housing supply

2714
01:55:34,368 --> 01:55:36,370
and we've seen empirically what happens

2715
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:39,373
when we do what we've been doing

2716
01:55:39,373 --> 01:55:41,375
which is a crash in multi family

2717
01:55:41,375 --> 01:55:42,376
starts. So we --the argument that

2718
01:55:42,376 --> 01:55:44,376
we're not

2719
01:55:44,378 --> 01:55:45,379
sure what's going to happen, I think

2720
01:55:45,379 --> 01:55:47,379
empirically doesn't hold

2721
01:55:48,382 --> 01:55:50,384
a ton of weight for

2722
01:55:50,384 --> 01:55:51,385
me and I think from a goal standpoint

2723
01:55:51,385 --> 01:55:53,385
we've been trying

2724
01:55:53,387 --> 01:55:54,388
and we've been going backwards. So

2725
01:55:54,388 --> 01:55:56,788
what we say we

2726
01:55:57,391 --> 01:55:58,392
have a goal of affordable

2727
01:55:58,392 --> 01:56:00,394
housing, increased housing supply

2728
01:56:00,394 --> 01:56:03,394
and as a county we've

2729
01:56:03,397 --> 01:56:05,399
gotten worse over the last year. Housing

2730
01:56:05,399 --> 01:56:06,400
starts have been down badly. And I

2731
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:08,368
think there's

2732
01:56:08,368 --> 01:56:09,369
nothing in this bill that's not empirically

2733
01:56:09,369 --> 01:56:11,369
supported by

2734
01:56:12,372 --> 01:56:13,373
evidence from outside of our

2735
01:56:13,373 --> 01:56:14,374
jurisdiction that it will increase

2736
01:56:14,374 --> 01:56:15,375
housing supply and not cause major issues.

2737
01:56:15,375 --> 01:56:17,375
the

2738
01:56:17,377 --> 01:56:18,378
things about the technical comments

2739
01:56:18,378 --> 01:56:20,380
from, you know, things like access

2740
01:56:20,380 --> 01:56:21,381
to sewer and water, one of the reasons

2741
01:56:21,381 --> 01:56:23,383
that you don't have access

2742
01:56:23,383 --> 01:56:26,386
to sewer and water out there is because

2743
01:56:26,386 --> 01:56:27,387
it's intended to like stop housing

2744
01:56:27,387 --> 01:56:29,387
supply out there.

2745
01:56:29,389 --> 01:56:30,390
that's one of the reasons that we

2746
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:32,392
have in one of the

2747
01:56:32,392 --> 01:56:33,393
richest counties in the world septic

2748
01:56:33,393 --> 01:56:34,394
and well which

2749
01:56:34,394 --> 01:56:36,396
I like don't quite understand coming

2750
01:56:36,396 --> 01:56:37,397
from rural texas. You had

2751
01:56:37,397 --> 01:56:39,399
septic and well because you couldn't

2752
01:56:39,399 --> 01:56:41,399
get sewer and

2753
01:56:42,369 --> 01:56:45,372
public water where I was from.

2754
01:56:45,372 --> 01:56:47,374
and we've talked about it in the

2755
01:56:47,374 --> 01:56:48,375
planning commission before about the

2756
01:56:48,375 --> 01:56:49,376
safety,

2757
01:56:49,376 --> 01:56:51,378
collapse of those and pollution that

2758
01:56:51,378 --> 01:56:53,380
happens with these septic systems.

2759
01:56:53,380 --> 01:56:54,381
I appreciate technical corrections

2760
01:56:54,381 --> 01:56:56,381
there. I

2761
01:56:56,383 --> 01:56:57,384
understand and would support some

2762
01:56:57,384 --> 01:56:58,385
comment like

2763
01:56:58,385 --> 01:57:00,387
that, but I think we should expand

2764
01:57:00,387 --> 01:57:02,389
public sewer and water for a

2765
01:57:02,389 --> 01:57:03,390
variety of reasons not the least of

2766
01:57:03,390 --> 01:57:05,390
which being housing

2767
01:57:05,392 --> 01:57:06,393
supply. We have goals that we have

2768
01:57:06,393 --> 01:57:08,395
stated. If this is

2769
01:57:08,395 --> 01:57:09,396
a turf battle let's just say it's

2770
01:57:09,396 --> 01:57:12,396
a turf battle. If this

2771
01:57:12,399 --> 01:57:14,368
is a policy goal, then let's

2772
01:57:14,368 --> 01:57:15,369
treat it as policy goals. I said very

2773
01:57:15,369 --> 01:57:16,370
similar

2774
01:57:16,370 --> 01:57:18,372
things at the overall meeting yesterday.

2775
01:57:18,372 --> 01:57:20,372
I'm fine with

2776
01:57:21,375 --> 01:57:23,377
technical comments. I'm fine with

2777
01:57:23,377 --> 01:57:25,379
discussing issues here. But the actual

2778
01:57:25,379 --> 01:57:27,381
policies implemented here are things we

2779
01:57:27,381 --> 01:57:28,382
have talked about and discussed with

2780
01:57:28,382 --> 01:57:30,384
attainable housing and other situations.

2781
01:57:30,384 --> 01:57:33,387
if it's a turf battle it's

2782
01:57:33,387 --> 01:57:35,389
a turf battle. If it's a policy

2783
01:57:35,389 --> 01:57:36,390
issue treat is as a policy issue.

2784
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:38,790
nothing jumps out from

2785
01:57:39,393 --> 01:57:40,394
my reading here that this is in any

2786
01:57:40,394 --> 01:57:41,395
way, shape, or

2787
01:57:41,395 --> 01:57:44,398
form a danger to anything that --

2788
01:57:44,398 --> 01:57:45,399
or any of our stated goals. And we

2789
01:57:45,399 --> 01:57:47,367
have the

2790
01:57:47,367 --> 01:57:48,368
evidence for that. We have other jurisdictions

2791
01:57:48,368 --> 01:57:50,368
who have

2792
01:57:50,370 --> 01:57:51,371
experienced all the things mentioned in

2793
01:57:51,371 --> 01:57:53,771
this policy. We can

2794
01:57:54,374 --> 01:57:55,375
go with actual data. And we can go with goals

2795
01:57:55,375 --> 01:57:56,376
and policies

2796
01:57:56,376 --> 01:57:57,377
that we've set forth and thrive in

2797
01:57:57,377 --> 01:57:59,377
our situations.

2798
01:57:59,379 --> 01:58:00,380
so I think overall we should treat

2799
01:58:00,380 --> 01:58:02,780
this as a policy

2800
01:58:03,383 --> 01:58:04,384
issue not as a one size fits all because

2801
01:58:04,384 --> 01:58:06,384
this

2802
01:58:06,386 --> 01:58:07,387
isn't one size fits all. This is taking

2803
01:58:07,387 --> 01:58:08,388
away the

2804
01:58:08,388 --> 01:58:09,389
level of unnecessary complexity we have

2805
01:58:09,389 --> 01:58:11,389
layered on

2806
01:58:11,391 --> 01:58:12,392
over decades and decades which we

2807
01:58:12,392 --> 01:58:15,395
know inhibits the growth of housing supply.

2808
01:58:15,395 --> 01:58:17,397
treat it one way

2809
01:58:17,397 --> 01:58:18,398
or the other but let's be particular about

2810
01:58:18,398 --> 01:58:23,798
what we're doing. Those are my comments on it.

2811
01:58:24,371 --> 01:58:26,371
>> linden?

2812
01:58:27,374 --> 01:58:29,374
>> yeah.

2813
01:58:30,377 --> 01:58:33,380
I don't have much to add to

2814
01:58:33,380 --> 01:58:35,380
that.

2815
01:58:36,383 --> 01:58:38,383
I agree with

2816
01:58:38,385 --> 01:58:40,785
commissioner hedrick's comments almost

2817
01:58:42,389 --> 01:58:43,390
entirely. I do take the point about sort

2818
01:58:43,390 --> 01:58:45,390
of, you

2819
01:58:45,392 --> 01:58:46,393
know, how does this square with kind

2820
01:58:46,393 --> 01:58:48,393
of

2821
01:58:48,395 --> 01:58:51,395
smart growth principles. It would

2822
01:58:51,398 --> 01:58:54,998
be lisa, it would be great

2823
01:58:55,369 --> 01:58:57,371
to see kind of a map of

2824
01:58:57,371 --> 01:58:58,372
what you're describing and just understanding

2825
01:58:58,372 --> 01:59:01,375
throughout the county kind of which --

2826
01:59:01,375 --> 01:59:03,377
where this would apply and

2827
01:59:03,377 --> 01:59:05,379
proximity to various things, but I

2828
01:59:05,379 --> 01:59:07,381
also, you know, based on everything

2829
01:59:07,381 --> 01:59:08,382
we were

2830
01:59:08,382 --> 01:59:10,384
saying and what commissioner hedrick

2831
01:59:10,384 --> 01:59:12,384
was getting

2832
01:59:13,387 --> 01:59:14,388
at, the

2833
01:59:14,388 --> 01:59:16,390
water/sewer infrastructure right now --

2834
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:18,390
apologies,

2835
01:59:19,393 --> 01:59:22,393
that's my 6-month-old --but the

2836
01:59:22,396 --> 01:59:24,796
water/sewer infrastructure kind

2837
01:59:25,399 --> 01:59:27,799
of functionally serves as

2838
01:59:28,368 --> 01:59:30,368
a boundary to

2839
01:59:31,371 --> 01:59:33,371
try to constrain

2840
01:59:33,373 --> 01:59:36,376
housing stock or at least density

2841
01:59:36,376 --> 01:59:38,378
generally but place it in closer proximity

2842
01:59:38,378 --> 01:59:40,380
to other infrastructure. We can debate

2843
01:59:40,380 --> 01:59:43,383
the merits of that, of course,

2844
01:59:43,383 --> 01:59:45,385
but that exists and the

2845
01:59:45,385 --> 01:59:46,386
bill seems to acknowledge that. Also kind

2846
01:59:46,386 --> 01:59:48,386
of layers on

2847
01:59:48,388 --> 01:59:49,389
that, that constraint in terms of

2848
01:59:49,389 --> 01:59:51,389
where this

2849
01:59:52,392 --> 01:59:54,394
would apply. But outside of

2850
01:59:54,394 --> 01:59:55,395
that, I tend to think that minimum

2851
01:59:55,395 --> 01:59:56,396
lot sizes

2852
01:59:56,396 --> 01:59:58,398
and really driving those down, the

2853
01:59:58,398 --> 02:00:00,398
size

2854
02:00:01,368 --> 02:00:04,371
of those, I think that that

2855
02:00:04,371 --> 02:00:06,771
is a great strategy

2856
02:00:07,374 --> 02:00:08,375
and I agree with commissioner hedrick

2857
02:00:08,375 --> 02:00:09,376
evidence across the country shows

2858
02:00:09,376 --> 02:00:10,377
it actually does move the needle.

2859
02:00:10,377 --> 02:00:12,377
there are some

2860
02:00:12,379 --> 02:00:15,382
mixed results when it comes to like

2861
02:00:15,382 --> 02:00:16,383
middle housing in terms of performance,

2862
02:00:16,383 --> 02:00:18,383
the devil

2863
02:00:18,385 --> 02:00:19,386
is in the details of housing in a lot

2864
02:00:19,386 --> 02:00:21,386
of ways.

2865
02:00:21,388 --> 02:00:22,389
some communities have moved forward

2866
02:00:22,389 --> 02:00:24,389
with great success.

2867
02:00:25,392 --> 02:00:28,395
others are kind of stagnant. But

2868
02:00:28,395 --> 02:00:31,395
dropping the minimum lot size

2869
02:00:31,398 --> 02:00:33,400
is a way to, in some

2870
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:34,368
cases, functionally achieve middle

2871
02:00:34,368 --> 02:00:36,368
housing

2872
02:00:36,370 --> 02:00:37,371
densities even if we can't get middle

2873
02:00:37,371 --> 02:00:39,371
housing

2874
02:00:40,374 --> 02:00:42,374
types like multiplexes.

2875
02:00:42,376 --> 02:00:43,377
this would legalize townhomes which I

2876
02:00:43,377 --> 02:00:45,377
think is a

2877
02:00:45,379 --> 02:00:46,380
great addition as well. But the minimum

2878
02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:48,380
lot size, you

2879
02:00:49,383 --> 02:00:52,383
know, particularly in a county

2880
02:00:52,386 --> 02:00:54,386
like ours, where

2881
02:00:54,388 --> 02:00:55,389
there's so much variability, even

2882
02:00:55,389 --> 02:00:57,389
within our 60 or

2883
02:00:58,392 --> 02:01:00,394
90 --we had this conversation on attainable

2884
02:01:00,394 --> 02:01:01,395
housing, huge distribution of lot

2885
02:01:01,395 --> 02:01:03,395
sizes,

2886
02:01:03,397 --> 02:01:04,398
and right now I'm just thinking specifically

2887
02:01:04,398 --> 02:01:06,398
in my

2888
02:01:07,367 --> 02:01:09,367
neighborhood just as

2889
02:01:09,369 --> 02:01:12,969
one example, I know personally of

2890
02:01:13,373 --> 02:01:15,375
two 20,000 foot r-60 lots that can right

2891
02:01:15,375 --> 02:01:16,376
now hold one house. Or they could

2892
02:01:16,376 --> 02:01:18,376
try to split

2893
02:01:19,379 --> 02:01:21,379
it to get

2894
02:01:22,382 --> 02:01:24,384
down to, you know, a

2895
02:01:24,384 --> 02:01:25,385
few, you know, 6,000 minimum. But

2896
02:01:25,385 --> 02:01:27,387
this really, you know,

2897
02:01:27,387 --> 02:01:28,388
this increases it beyond that, right.

2898
02:01:28,388 --> 02:01:31,388
like, this really tries to

2899
02:01:31,391 --> 02:01:33,391
maximize

2900
02:01:33,393 --> 02:01:37,397
the land we have close to infrastructure,

2901
02:01:37,397 --> 02:01:40,367
closer to the infrastructure we already

2902
02:01:40,367 --> 02:01:43,370
have, and, you know, it doesn't

2903
02:01:43,370 --> 02:01:45,372
really try to get into other --introducing

2904
02:01:45,372 --> 02:01:48,972
other housing types which, you know,

2905
02:01:49,376 --> 02:01:52,376
there's, obviously, benefits for that

2906
02:01:52,379 --> 02:01:55,379
as well in terms of

2907
02:01:55,382 --> 02:01:57,382
attainability in

2908
02:01:57,384 --> 02:01:58,385
different needs. In terms of supply, to

2909
02:01:58,385 --> 02:02:00,385
provide more supply,

2910
02:02:00,387 --> 02:02:01,388
where we're not seeing multi families,

2911
02:02:01,388 --> 02:02:03,388
we just

2912
02:02:04,391 --> 02:02:07,394
need to keep doing things, and

2913
02:02:07,394 --> 02:02:08,395
I'm not particularly concerned that

2914
02:02:08,395 --> 02:02:10,395
the state

2915
02:02:10,397 --> 02:02:12,397
doing something

2916
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:16,370
potentially and not us. We kind of

2917
02:02:16,370 --> 02:02:17,371
live in a regional community and everything relates

2918
02:02:17,371 --> 02:02:18,372
to

2919
02:02:18,372 --> 02:02:19,373
each other and I think having a flat

2920
02:02:19,373 --> 02:02:21,373
floor or a

2921
02:02:21,375 --> 02:02:22,376
set standard across the entire state

2922
02:02:22,376 --> 02:02:24,776
is actually a good

2923
02:02:25,379 --> 02:02:27,379
thing in many

2924
02:02:28,382 --> 02:02:30,384
ways. I think it would benefit

2925
02:02:30,384 --> 02:02:31,385
us, too. So I --which is all to say

2926
02:02:31,385 --> 02:02:33,385
that,

2927
02:02:34,388 --> 02:02:36,388
yeah, the technical

2928
02:02:37,391 --> 02:02:40,391
clarifications and comments and suggestions

2929
02:02:40,394 --> 02:02:41,395
based on our particular circumstances I

2930
02:02:41,395 --> 02:02:43,395
think

2931
02:02:43,397 --> 02:02:44,398
that sounds great. But I also agree

2932
02:02:44,398 --> 02:02:46,400
that I think this

2933
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:49,369
is one example of maybe kind of

2934
02:02:49,369 --> 02:02:51,371
keeping our eye on

2935
02:02:51,371 --> 02:02:52,372
the policy ball and given what we

2936
02:02:52,372 --> 02:02:54,372
know about

2937
02:02:54,374 --> 02:02:55,375
how difficult things can be, here in

2938
02:02:55,375 --> 02:02:57,375
the county, with

2939
02:02:58,378 --> 02:03:00,378
our master plan,

2940
02:03:01,381 --> 02:03:03,381
with

2941
02:03:04,384 --> 02:03:06,384
policy, attainable

2942
02:03:06,386 --> 02:03:07,387
housing, it seems like there's --

2943
02:03:07,387 --> 02:03:09,389
sorry about that --seems like

2944
02:03:09,389 --> 02:03:10,390
the state wants to work with us and

2945
02:03:10,390 --> 02:03:11,391
help us.

2946
02:03:11,391 --> 02:03:13,391
>>

2947
02:03:13,393 --> 02:03:14,394
yeah. Great.

2948
02:03:14,394 --> 02:03:15,395
>> and I think this is

2949
02:03:15,395 --> 02:03:16,396
one case we should welcome that help.

2950
02:03:16,396 --> 02:03:18,396
>> can

2951
02:03:22,369 --> 02:03:24,369
>> the

2952
02:03:24,371 --> 02:03:25,372
minimum lot size included here is

2953
02:03:25,372 --> 02:03:27,372
5,000 square feet.

2954
02:03:28,375 --> 02:03:31,378
not that much smaller than our existing

2955
02:03:31,378 --> 02:03:34,378
r60 and a minimum sized

2956
02:03:34,381 --> 02:03:36,781
r90. We have oversized

2957
02:03:37,384 --> 02:03:39,386
lots, but this is not making

2958
02:03:39,386 --> 02:03:40,387
radical changes to our residential

2959
02:03:40,387 --> 02:03:41,388
zones.

2960
02:03:41,388 --> 02:03:43,388
>>

2961
02:03:43,390 --> 02:03:46,393
well, yes and no. So, we

2962
02:03:46,393 --> 02:03:48,393
have more land

2963
02:03:49,396 --> 02:03:51,796
area in our 200 within

2964
02:03:52,399 --> 02:03:54,368
the qualifying area than r60 and r90.

2965
02:03:54,368 --> 02:03:55,369
>> that is because of large lots.

2966
02:03:55,369 --> 02:03:57,369
>> yes.

2967
02:03:58,372 --> 02:04:01,372
the minimum lot sizes are

2968
02:04:01,375 --> 02:04:03,375
220,000.

2969
02:04:04,378 --> 02:04:07,378
this is a combination of

2970
02:04:07,381 --> 02:04:08,382
issues. There is a turf battle, and

2971
02:04:08,382 --> 02:04:09,383
there

2972
02:04:09,383 --> 02:04:10,384
is a policy issue. It is both. The

2973
02:04:10,384 --> 02:04:12,384
state, in

2974
02:04:13,387 --> 02:04:15,787
doing this, is applying

2975
02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:17,391
very specific zoning requirements

2976
02:04:17,391 --> 02:04:19,391
and

2977
02:04:19,393 --> 02:04:20,394
standards, kind of in a blanket way

2978
02:04:20,394 --> 02:04:22,394
across the

2979
02:04:22,396 --> 02:04:23,397
entire state. It is a one size fits

2980
02:04:23,397 --> 02:04:24,398
all

2981
02:04:24,398 --> 02:04:25,399
without regard to differences between

2982
02:04:25,399 --> 02:04:27,399
counties. But

2983
02:04:28,368 --> 02:04:29,369
then there is also within our county,

2984
02:04:29,369 --> 02:04:31,369
it

2985
02:04:31,371 --> 02:04:32,372
is applying a one size fits all. It

2986
02:04:32,372 --> 02:04:34,372
does

2987
02:04:34,374 --> 02:04:37,377
not recognize that, you know, we

2988
02:04:37,377 --> 02:04:39,777
take a scalpel to

2989
02:04:40,380 --> 02:04:42,380
our zoning.

2990
02:04:43,383 --> 02:04:44,384
we look property by property. This

2991
02:04:44,384 --> 02:04:46,384
would

2992
02:04:46,386 --> 02:04:48,388
apply to 14 different zones in montgomery

2993
02:04:48,388 --> 02:04:51,388
county that have 14 distinct purposes

2994
02:04:52,392 --> 02:04:53,393
and reasons. Instead of a scalpel

2995
02:04:53,393 --> 02:04:55,393
it

2996
02:04:55,395 --> 02:04:57,395
is a

2997
02:04:58,398 --> 02:04:59,399
machete.

2998
02:04:59,399 --> 02:05:00,367
>> some of them are

2999
02:05:00,367 --> 02:05:01,368
townhome density ones.

3000
02:05:01,368 --> 02:05:02,369
>> we can come

3001
02:05:02,369 --> 02:05:03,370
back with maps that

3002
02:05:03,370 --> 02:05:07,374
show you where it would apply, but

3003
02:05:07,374 --> 02:05:09,374
the concern is

3004
02:05:10,377 --> 02:05:11,378
that we have decades in the state

3005
02:05:11,378 --> 02:05:12,379
with

3006
02:05:12,379 --> 02:05:15,379
policy and within montgomery county.

3007
02:05:15,382 --> 02:05:16,383
I mean we just did a general plan

3008
02:05:16,383 --> 02:05:18,383
update where we

3009
02:05:19,386 --> 02:05:21,388
were explicit about smart

3010
02:05:21,388 --> 02:05:22,389
growth, sustainable growth patterns.

3011
02:05:22,389 --> 02:05:24,389
we have

3012
02:05:25,392 --> 02:05:27,392
lots and zones

3013
02:05:28,395 --> 02:05:31,398
that it would apply to that are zoned

3014
02:05:31,398 --> 02:05:34,368
as large lot residential uses for

3015
02:05:34,368 --> 02:05:35,369
that purpose. So the concern here is not

3016
02:05:35,369 --> 02:05:37,369
every

3017
02:05:37,371 --> 02:05:38,372
area that has water and sewer service

3018
02:05:38,372 --> 02:05:39,373
in montgomery

3019
02:05:39,373 --> 02:05:41,375
county is an area that we have said

3020
02:05:41,375 --> 02:05:43,375
is

3021
02:05:44,378 --> 02:05:46,380
a priority for growth.

3022
02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:47,381
generally the idea of smaller lot

3023
02:05:47,381 --> 02:05:49,381
sizes is

3024
02:05:49,383 --> 02:05:50,384
great. We talked about stuff like

3025
02:05:50,384 --> 02:05:51,385
that a lot.

3026
02:05:51,385 --> 02:05:53,387
but really in the areas that we see

3027
02:05:53,387 --> 02:05:55,387
the

3028
02:05:55,389 --> 02:05:56,390
infrastructure and we see our near

3029
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:58,390
existing

3030
02:05:58,392 --> 02:05:59,393
centers. Infrastructure is more than

3031
02:05:59,393 --> 02:06:01,393
water and

3032
02:06:02,396 --> 02:06:04,398
sewer. If they came in and said

3033
02:06:04,398 --> 02:06:05,399
this applies only to areas within

3034
02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:07,399
a certain distance

3035
02:06:08,368 --> 02:06:09,369
of transit or other existing

3036
02:06:09,369 --> 02:06:11,371
infrastructure, then I would say that

3037
02:06:11,371 --> 02:06:14,371
it is more of a

3038
02:06:14,374 --> 02:06:17,374
turf battle than a policy

3039
02:06:17,377 --> 02:06:19,377
battle.

3040
02:06:23,383 --> 02:06:25,383
>> we are going

3041
02:06:26,386 --> 02:06:29,389
to hear this. But it would be

3042
02:06:29,389 --> 02:06:32,392
great if youryour can come back.

3043
02:06:32,392 --> 02:06:34,394
if it said x,

3044
02:06:34,394 --> 02:06:35,395
you know, what would you have to say

3045
02:06:35,395 --> 02:06:37,395
to

3046
02:06:37,397 --> 02:06:38,398
bring it back to the board for you

3047
02:06:38,398 --> 02:06:40,398
to

3048
02:06:41,368 --> 02:06:42,369
say yes,

3049
02:06:42,369 --> 02:06:44,371
this is something that would be good to

3050
02:06:44,371 --> 02:06:46,371
do?

3051
02:06:47,374 --> 02:06:49,374
you know,

3052
02:06:50,377 --> 02:06:52,377
I do agree.

3053
02:06:53,380 --> 02:06:56,383
the county does want it in

3054
02:06:56,383 --> 02:06:58,383
certain areas.

3055
02:07:02,389 --> 02:07:05,392
where would we want to have

3056
02:07:05,392 --> 02:07:08,395
the smaller lots that are 55,000 square

3057
02:07:08,395 --> 02:07:10,395
feet or less?

3058
02:07:14,368 --> 02:07:17,368
but we need to keep

3059
02:07:17,371 --> 02:07:19,371
going here.

3060
02:07:20,374 --> 02:07:21,375
miss borden.

3061
02:07:21,375 --> 02:07:22,376
>> yes, we

3062
02:07:22,376 --> 02:07:25,976
do. Thank you for that discussion.

3063
02:07:26,380 --> 02:07:28,380
I really

3064
02:07:29,383 --> 02:07:31,385
appreciate how tricky that

3065
02:07:31,385 --> 02:07:32,386
these issues are with this matter,

3066
02:07:32,386 --> 02:07:34,386
you know.

3067
02:07:35,389 --> 02:07:37,389
this affordable

3068
02:07:37,391 --> 02:07:38,392
housing push has been a multiyear

3069
02:07:38,392 --> 02:07:40,392
effort.

3070
02:07:41,395 --> 02:07:44,398
we are going to get both of

3071
02:07:44,398 --> 02:07:46,398
the

3072
02:07:47,367 --> 02:07:49,367
planning

3073
02:07:50,370 --> 02:07:52,370
departments together to

3074
02:07:53,373 --> 02:07:55,773
talk about alternatives. You

3075
02:07:56,376 --> 02:07:59,376
know, we do not want

3076
02:07:59,379 --> 02:08:01,379
this to

3077
02:08:02,382 --> 02:08:05,385
be viewed as a turf battle. We

3078
02:08:05,385 --> 02:08:07,385
want to help.

3079
02:08:14,394 --> 02:08:16,394
it

3080
02:08:17,397 --> 02:08:18,398
is a tricky difficult puzzle and don't

3081
02:08:18,398 --> 02:08:20,398
think

3082
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,369
the one size fits all approach will

3083
02:08:22,369 --> 02:08:23,370
work. We are ready to do that. We

3084
02:08:23,370 --> 02:08:25,370
will do

3085
02:08:26,373 --> 02:08:28,773
our best to do.

3086
02:08:29,376 --> 02:08:31,378
but I wanted to make the

3087
02:08:31,378 --> 02:08:32,379
point that we tried the scalpel and

3088
02:08:32,379 --> 02:08:34,779
the opposite of one

3089
02:08:35,382 --> 02:08:38,385
size fits all with 14 different residential

3090
02:08:38,385 --> 02:08:41,388
zones. What have we gotten for our

3091
02:08:41,388 --> 02:08:43,390
efforts? A housing crisis. We are

3092
02:08:43,390 --> 02:08:44,391
totally fine with a one size fits

3093
02:08:44,391 --> 02:08:46,391
all approach when

3094
02:08:47,394 --> 02:08:50,364
it is a limit on development and

3095
02:08:50,364 --> 02:08:52,364
supply.

3096
02:09:05,379 --> 02:09:07,379
one other comment.

3097
02:09:08,382 --> 02:09:10,384
can we be nice

3098
02:09:10,384 --> 02:09:14,388
if the state would have policies that

3099
02:09:14,388 --> 02:09:16,388
would incentivize. They

3100
02:09:17,391 --> 02:09:19,393
need policies that would move

3101
02:09:19,393 --> 02:09:20,394
the needle enough where people would

3102
02:09:20,394 --> 02:09:22,794
say yes in this

3103
02:09:23,397 --> 02:09:26,400
case. Right now. Let's do it.

3104
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:29,369
how? Is there money out there?

3105
02:09:29,369 --> 02:09:32,372
is there whatever? How do you

3106
02:09:32,372 --> 02:09:35,372
incentivize this. You know, this

3107
02:09:35,375 --> 02:09:38,378
is human nature. Please. I know

3108
02:09:38,378 --> 02:09:41,381
that you have more to go. We

3109
02:09:41,381 --> 02:09:42,382
only allocated --

3110
02:09:42,382 --> 02:09:44,382
>> I

3111
02:09:44,384 --> 02:09:46,386
just want to say that I

3112
02:09:46,386 --> 02:09:47,387
do support what the director said.

3113
02:09:47,387 --> 02:09:49,387
I think

3114
02:09:49,389 --> 02:09:50,390
that is how the approach should be

3115
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:52,390
to make it

3116
02:09:53,393 --> 02:09:56,393
happen and to prioritize the

3117
02:09:56,396 --> 02:09:59,366
areas where we could do this. Not

3118
02:09:59,366 --> 02:10:01,366
as a whole.

3119
02:10:11,378 --> 02:10:13,378
>> hb10.

3120
02:10:13,380 --> 02:10:14,381
legal advertisement or notice. This

3121
02:10:14,381 --> 02:10:16,781
bill is a long

3122
02:10:17,384 --> 02:10:18,385
time coming. We really hope the bill

3123
02:10:18,385 --> 02:10:20,385
passes.

3124
02:10:20,387 --> 02:10:23,390
this would basically change the definition

3125
02:10:23,390 --> 02:10:25,390
of legal notice.

3126
02:10:26,393 --> 02:10:28,393
it

3127
02:10:29,396 --> 02:10:32,396
would allow the use of

3128
02:10:32,399 --> 02:10:34,399
digital media.

3129
02:10:35,369 --> 02:10:37,369
you

3130
02:10:38,372 --> 02:10:41,375
have to go to a digital media publication

3131
02:10:41,375 --> 02:10:44,378
that publishes online and pay them

3132
02:10:44,378 --> 02:10:46,378
to publish your

3133
02:10:47,381 --> 02:10:49,381
notice.

3134
02:10:53,387 --> 02:10:55,787
you can use it

3135
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:59,390
instead of a print publication.

3136
02:10:59,393 --> 02:11:02,396
we think this will save us

3137
02:11:02,396 --> 02:11:03,397
money. You know, we think that it

3138
02:11:03,397 --> 02:11:05,397
is a

3139
02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:08,368
really good idea. We do a lot of

3140
02:11:08,368 --> 02:11:09,369
notice publications in our planning

3141
02:11:09,369 --> 02:11:11,369
departments.

3142
02:11:11,371 --> 02:11:13,371
particularly for master

3143
02:11:15,375 --> 02:11:18,375
plans. Community planning does a

3144
02:11:18,378 --> 02:11:20,378
lot of

3145
02:11:21,381 --> 02:11:23,781
legal notice and occasional

3146
02:11:24,384 --> 02:11:26,384
notice at the

3147
02:11:27,387 --> 02:11:29,387
corporate

3148
02:11:30,390 --> 02:11:31,391
level. So,

3149
02:11:31,391 --> 02:11:33,393
we are very much in support of this.

3150
02:11:33,393 --> 02:11:35,395
we didn't have to

3151
02:11:35,395 --> 02:11:39,399
think about it too much. But we prepared

3152
02:11:39,399 --> 02:11:41,368
some comments.

3153
02:11:41,368 --> 02:11:45,372
if you have questions I would be happy

3154
02:11:45,372 --> 02:11:47,372
to answer them.

3155
02:11:54,381 --> 02:11:56,381
is the legal

3156
02:11:57,384 --> 02:11:59,784
notice going to be

3157
02:12:00,387 --> 02:12:02,387
limited?

3158
02:12:06,393 --> 02:12:08,393
with

3159
02:12:08,395 --> 02:12:11,395
community interest or alsoalso affect

3160
02:12:12,399 --> 02:12:14,399
proceedings?

3161
02:12:15,369 --> 02:12:17,369
>>

3162
02:12:18,372 --> 02:12:20,772
any statutory requirement for

3163
02:12:21,375 --> 02:12:23,375
legal notice.

3164
02:12:27,381 --> 02:12:29,383
I don't know if I

3165
02:12:29,383 --> 02:12:32,386
can abstain from this. I am against

3166
02:12:32,386 --> 02:12:33,387
electronic --

3167
02:12:33,387 --> 02:12:34,388
>> except provided by

3168
02:12:34,388 --> 02:12:36,388
law

3169
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:38,390
a resolution or

3170
02:12:39,393 --> 02:12:41,393
court order.

3171
02:12:42,396 --> 02:12:44,396
this is

3172
02:12:45,399 --> 02:12:46,400
for other cases, by newspaper

3173
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,368
or newspaper in general circulation.

3174
02:12:48,368 --> 02:12:50,368
that is the

3175
02:12:50,370 --> 02:12:51,371
current term. Now they just added

3176
02:12:51,371 --> 02:12:53,371
that

3177
02:12:53,373 --> 02:12:56,376
it can mean print or digital publication.

3178
02:12:56,376 --> 02:12:57,377
there is congratulational criteria

3179
02:12:57,377 --> 02:12:59,377
to make sure

3180
02:12:59,379 --> 02:13:00,380
it is a legitimate outlet, but it

3181
02:13:00,380 --> 02:13:02,380
does not

3182
02:13:02,382 --> 02:13:03,383
affect the court stuff.

3183
02:13:03,383 --> 02:13:04,384
>> thank you

3184
02:13:04,384 --> 02:13:05,385
emily.

3185
02:13:05,385 --> 02:13:06,386
>>

3186
02:13:06,386 --> 02:13:08,386
yeah.

3187
02:13:09,389 --> 02:13:11,789
giving notice of a

3188
02:13:14,394 --> 02:13:15,395
this property is going to be rezoned.

3189
02:13:15,395 --> 02:13:17,395
>> not for

3190
02:13:17,397 --> 02:13:18,398
mailing. It does not affect mailing

3191
02:13:18,398 --> 02:13:19,399
notices, only

3192
02:13:19,399 --> 02:13:22,999
when it specifically says by newspaper.

3193
02:13:24,371 --> 02:13:27,374
you know, generally that is the

3194
02:13:27,374 --> 02:13:29,374
master plan.

3195
02:13:30,377 --> 02:13:32,377
the super.

3196
02:13:36,383 --> 02:13:38,383
it

3197
02:13:39,386 --> 02:13:40,387
just says allow. Now go to a

3198
02:13:40,387 --> 02:13:42,389
legitimate digital source as well.

3199
02:13:42,389 --> 02:13:44,389
>> okay.

3200
02:13:45,392 --> 02:13:47,392
the

3201
02:13:48,395 --> 02:13:50,395
digital newspaper.

3202
02:13:51,398 --> 02:13:54,368
how do the people know to

3203
02:13:54,368 --> 02:13:55,369
go to the digital newspaper?

3204
02:13:55,369 --> 02:13:56,370
>> people

3205
02:13:56,370 --> 02:13:57,371
are doing it now. I think partly what

3206
02:13:57,371 --> 02:13:59,371
we

3207
02:13:59,373 --> 02:14:00,374
are thinking is that we will reach

3208
02:14:00,374 --> 02:14:02,376
more people. The number

3209
02:14:02,376 --> 02:14:03,377
of people that get a newspaper now

3210
02:14:03,377 --> 02:14:05,377
is

3211
02:14:05,379 --> 02:14:06,380
dwindling significantly. So many people

3212
02:14:06,380 --> 02:14:08,380
get

3213
02:14:09,383 --> 02:14:11,383
it electronically.

3214
02:14:18,392 --> 02:14:21,395
I don't know about the costs.

3215
02:14:21,395 --> 02:14:24,395
the newspapers know know this.

3216
02:14:24,398 --> 02:14:27,398
sometimes it is less. Sometimes

3217
02:14:27,401 --> 02:14:29,401
it is not.

3218
02:14:30,370 --> 02:14:33,370
the planning department realizes that

3219
02:14:33,373 --> 02:14:36,376
is how they reach a lot of

3220
02:14:36,376 --> 02:14:38,376
people, through electronic

3221
02:14:39,379 --> 02:14:41,379
opposed to paper.

3222
02:14:48,388 --> 02:14:51,391
you can do the digital version

3223
02:14:51,391 --> 02:14:53,391
of the

3224
02:14:54,394 --> 02:14:56,394
newspapers.

3225
02:14:57,397 --> 02:15:00,400
I have a question about cost.

3226
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:01,368
miss borden said that it would be

3227
02:15:01,368 --> 02:15:03,368
less

3228
02:15:03,370 --> 02:15:05,370
expensive.

3229
02:15:06,373 --> 02:15:08,373
how?

3230
02:15:09,376 --> 02:15:12,379
>> I think that it just depends on

3231
02:15:12,379 --> 02:15:15,382
the outlet. Maybe we just don't know.

3232
02:15:15,382 --> 02:15:16,383
I think that it depends.

3233
02:15:16,383 --> 02:15:18,383
>> I don't

3234
02:15:18,385 --> 02:15:19,386
know. And without endorsing any outlet,

3235
02:15:19,386 --> 02:15:21,386
I

3236
02:15:21,388 --> 02:15:22,389
will say that an example, you know,

3237
02:15:22,389 --> 02:15:24,389
right now

3238
02:15:24,391 --> 02:15:26,393
when we have aa

3239
02:15:26,393 --> 02:15:27,394
hearing we advertise in the washington

3240
02:15:27,394 --> 02:15:29,394
times. We don't

3241
02:15:29,396 --> 02:15:30,397
have a print publication in montgomery

3242
02:15:30,397 --> 02:15:32,397
county, however

3243
02:15:33,400 --> 02:15:35,800
we have the new

3244
02:15:36,370 --> 02:15:38,370
banner. Bethesda magazine.

3245
02:15:39,373 --> 02:15:40,374
we have other local digital media

3246
02:15:40,374 --> 02:15:42,374
outlets

3247
02:15:42,376 --> 02:15:44,776
that we could be

3248
02:15:45,379 --> 02:15:46,380
using that would probably connect

3249
02:15:46,380 --> 02:15:48,380
more

3250
02:15:48,382 --> 02:15:50,382
to montgomery

3251
02:15:51,385 --> 02:15:53,387
county residents and it may

3252
02:15:53,387 --> 02:15:54,388
be cheaper but we have not done it.

3253
02:15:54,388 --> 02:15:56,388
>> I

3254
02:15:57,391 --> 02:15:58,392
am curious. I always wanted to ask

3255
02:15:58,392 --> 02:16:00,392
this. Why

3256
02:16:00,394 --> 02:16:02,396
the times? Why not

3257
02:16:02,396 --> 02:16:03,397
the post?

3258
02:16:03,397 --> 02:16:04,398
>> I think it is cheaper than

3259
02:16:04,398 --> 02:16:06,398
the post.

3260
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:08,400
>> that was all.

3261
02:16:09,369 --> 02:16:11,369
>> I am against

3262
02:16:12,372 --> 02:16:14,372
the

3263
02:16:15,375 --> 02:16:16,376
.

3264
02:16:16,376 --> 02:16:18,378
>> I can't support it with

3265
02:16:18,378 --> 02:16:20,378
me knows how

3266
02:16:21,381 --> 02:16:23,381
electronic

3267
02:16:24,384 --> 02:16:26,384
publications can manipulate

3268
02:16:27,387 --> 02:16:30,387
the information. If there is

3269
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:32,790
an error made but

3270
02:16:33,393 --> 02:16:35,393
not in print.

3271
02:16:39,399 --> 02:16:41,399
I

3272
02:16:42,369 --> 02:16:45,969
think that print media is better

3273
02:16:46,373 --> 02:16:49,373
to capture the areas without

3274
02:16:49,376 --> 02:16:52,376
edits that would deprive the

3275
02:16:52,379 --> 02:16:54,779
public for fair opportunity.

3276
02:16:55,382 --> 02:16:57,782
I can't support digital

3277
02:16:58,385 --> 02:17:00,385
publication.

3278
02:17:00,387 --> 02:17:01,388
it has happened with banks who have

3279
02:17:01,388 --> 02:17:03,388
given digital

3280
02:17:03,390 --> 02:17:04,391
statements, make an error and go back

3281
02:17:04,391 --> 02:17:06,391
and correct

3282
02:17:06,393 --> 02:17:07,361
the statements opposed to republishing or reprinting

3283
02:17:07,361 --> 02:17:09,361
the error.

3284
02:17:18,372 --> 02:17:19,373
>> I can't support it. >> isn't it

3285
02:17:19,373 --> 02:17:21,373
true that

3286
02:17:22,376 --> 02:17:24,376
electronic media does

3287
02:17:24,378 --> 02:17:25,379
not --

3288
02:17:25,379 --> 02:17:26,380
>> they can do a publication

3289
02:17:26,380 --> 02:17:28,380
that

3290
02:17:28,382 --> 02:17:30,782
is incorrect that would

3291
02:17:31,385 --> 02:17:33,385
require them to

3292
02:17:34,388 --> 02:17:37,391
lish and set the deadline and

3293
02:17:37,391 --> 02:17:39,791
the timeline. Instead of

3294
02:17:40,394 --> 02:17:42,396
republishing in lifetime they

3295
02:17:42,396 --> 02:17:43,397
only reset the date. When you have

3296
02:17:43,397 --> 02:17:45,397
a

3297
02:17:45,399 --> 02:17:46,400
publication that is incorrect and

3298
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:48,400
requires a

3299
02:17:49,369 --> 02:17:51,371
notice. It requires a new

3300
02:17:51,371 --> 02:17:54,374
publication and the deadline and the

3301
02:17:54,374 --> 02:17:56,376
timeline. My concern if you make an

3302
02:17:56,376 --> 02:17:58,378
error electronically, and say the

3303
02:17:58,378 --> 02:18:00,378
clock starts

3304
02:18:01,381 --> 02:18:03,383
ticking now rather than them

3305
02:18:03,383 --> 02:18:04,384
republishing and then having the new timeline.

3306
02:18:04,384 --> 02:18:06,384
you

3307
02:18:06,386 --> 02:18:07,387
can go back and correct the error

3308
02:18:07,387 --> 02:18:09,387
and not

3309
02:18:09,389 --> 02:18:10,390
reset the clock and allege there was

3310
02:18:10,390 --> 02:18:12,390
no

3311
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:15,360
error at all.

3312
02:18:25,372 --> 02:18:26,373
when

3313
02:18:26,373 --> 02:18:28,375
you electronically publish something and

3314
02:18:28,375 --> 02:18:30,375
there is an

3315
02:18:31,378 --> 02:18:33,378
error,

3316
02:18:34,381 --> 02:18:35,382
there is the possibility where they

3317
02:18:35,382 --> 02:18:37,384
correct something electronically and say

3318
02:18:37,384 --> 02:18:39,384
no. It was

3319
02:18:40,387 --> 02:18:42,387
always that way.

3320
02:18:49,396 --> 02:18:52,396
in print, there is no

3321
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:54,399
edit.

3322
02:19:01,375 --> 02:19:03,375
can you add

3323
02:19:04,378 --> 02:19:06,378
something

3324
02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:07,381
or how would you address that?

3325
02:19:07,381 --> 02:19:08,382
>>

3326
02:19:08,382 --> 02:19:10,382
I would not

3327
02:19:10,384 --> 02:19:12,384
address it in

3328
02:19:13,387 --> 02:19:15,387
the physical statement.

3329
02:19:16,390 --> 02:19:18,390
if we were

3330
02:19:18,392 --> 02:19:19,393
to use digital publication that we

3331
02:19:19,393 --> 02:19:21,393
would have

3332
02:19:22,396 --> 02:19:24,396
to have

3333
02:19:25,399 --> 02:19:27,399
a printed representation

3334
02:19:28,368 --> 02:19:30,768
of what was the

3335
02:19:31,371 --> 02:19:33,371
digital legal

3336
02:19:34,374 --> 02:19:36,374
notice

3337
02:19:37,377 --> 02:19:39,379
that we can compare that the

3338
02:19:39,379 --> 02:19:40,380
notice has been changed. It would

3339
02:19:40,380 --> 02:19:42,380
be

3340
02:19:42,382 --> 02:19:43,383
a part of our process that we have

3341
02:19:43,383 --> 02:19:45,383
to print

3342
02:19:46,386 --> 02:19:48,386
the original

3343
02:19:49,389 --> 02:19:51,389
notice when it

3344
02:19:52,392 --> 02:19:53,393
goes out and print from the website

3345
02:19:53,393 --> 02:19:54,394
or

3346
02:19:54,394 --> 02:19:55,395
the publication so that we have it

3347
02:19:55,395 --> 02:19:57,395
on day one

3348
02:19:58,398 --> 02:20:01,368
so that we can then

3349
02:20:01,368 --> 02:20:03,368
use that as

3350
02:20:03,370 --> 02:20:04,371
our verification that is what it said

3351
02:20:04,371 --> 02:20:06,771
on day one. If

3352
02:20:07,374 --> 02:20:10,377
it gets changed, we have a bone

3353
02:20:10,377 --> 02:20:11,378
to pick with the publisher. We can

3354
02:20:11,378 --> 02:20:13,378
extend

3355
02:20:13,380 --> 02:20:14,381
the time that we need, you know, in

3356
02:20:14,381 --> 02:20:16,381
terms

3357
02:20:16,383 --> 02:20:17,384
of the notice period. We have a lot

3358
02:20:17,384 --> 02:20:18,385
of

3359
02:20:18,385 --> 02:20:19,386
experience doing that and working

3360
02:20:19,386 --> 02:20:21,786
with that. You know,

3361
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:24,389
our signs. Signs

3362
02:20:25,392 --> 02:20:27,392
get blown down.

3363
02:20:34,401 --> 02:20:36,801
if the sign is

3364
02:20:37,371 --> 02:20:39,371
blown down a

3365
02:20:40,374 --> 02:20:41,375
notice period would be extended so

3366
02:20:41,375 --> 02:20:42,376
everybody can

3367
02:20:42,376 --> 02:20:43,377
go to the hearing or be notified of

3368
02:20:43,377 --> 02:20:45,377
the

3369
02:20:46,380 --> 02:20:48,382
hearing. It is not

3370
02:20:48,382 --> 02:20:49,383
that much different.

3371
02:20:49,383 --> 02:20:50,384
>> I am supportive

3372
02:20:50,384 --> 02:20:52,384
if this goes

3373
02:20:52,386 --> 02:20:55,389
through that is in the process.

3374
02:20:55,389 --> 02:20:57,389
you know.

3375
02:20:58,392 --> 02:21:01,392
>> we would make it so.

3376
02:21:01,395 --> 02:21:03,395
>> okay.

3377
02:21:10,370 --> 02:21:12,370
>> do we

3378
02:21:12,372 --> 02:21:13,373
need a vote for that one?

3379
02:21:13,373 --> 02:21:14,374
>> yeah.

3380
02:21:14,374 --> 02:21:16,376
thank you. Do we have

3381
02:21:16,376 --> 02:21:19,379
a vote on that one so

3382
02:21:19,379 --> 02:21:21,379
that we are

3383
02:21:22,382 --> 02:21:24,382
sure we

3384
02:21:25,385 --> 02:21:26,386
can make the representation.

3385
02:21:26,386 --> 02:21:28,386
>>

3386
02:21:28,388 --> 02:21:29,389
I move for approval.

3387
02:21:29,389 --> 02:21:30,390
>> all in favor.

3388
02:21:30,390 --> 02:21:31,391
>>

3389
02:21:31,391 --> 02:21:32,392
aye.

3390
02:21:32,392 --> 02:21:34,361
>> aye.

3391
02:21:34,361 --> 02:21:36,361
>> aye.

3392
02:21:49,376 --> 02:21:51,376
>> okay. The

3393
02:21:52,379 --> 02:21:55,379
next one is sb121, public

3394
02:21:55,382 --> 02:21:57,382
servant protections.

3395
02:21:58,385 --> 02:21:59,386
this is part two, really. Part one

3396
02:21:59,386 --> 02:22:01,386
was

3397
02:22:01,388 --> 02:22:03,388
the

3398
02:22:04,391 --> 02:22:06,391
wilkinson act.

3399
02:22:07,394 --> 02:22:08,395
I think that went through last year

3400
02:22:08,395 --> 02:22:10,395
or

3401
02:22:10,397 --> 02:22:12,397
the year before.

3402
02:22:16,370 --> 02:22:18,370
if you were

3403
02:22:19,373 --> 02:22:21,375
a judge in this case you

3404
02:22:21,375 --> 02:22:22,376
could request your personal information

3405
02:22:22,376 --> 02:22:24,376
to be removed

3406
02:22:25,379 --> 02:22:27,779
from websites run by

3407
02:22:28,382 --> 02:22:30,382
government entities.

3408
02:22:40,394 --> 02:22:42,396
he is used to

3409
02:22:42,396 --> 02:22:43,397
dealing with these requests. It has

3410
02:22:43,397 --> 02:22:45,397
been running smoothly.

3411
02:22:46,400 --> 02:22:47,401
we have not had problems or hiccups

3412
02:22:47,401 --> 02:22:49,369
with

3413
02:22:49,369 --> 02:22:52,369
it. This is now expanding

3414
02:22:52,372 --> 02:22:55,372
the wilkinson act, basically, to

3415
02:22:55,375 --> 02:22:57,375
other people who

3416
02:22:59,379 --> 02:23:01,379
are

3417
02:23:02,382 --> 02:23:04,382
in

3418
02:23:04,384 --> 02:23:05,385
need of extra protection. What the

3419
02:23:05,385 --> 02:23:07,385
new

3420
02:23:08,388 --> 02:23:11,391
bill will do is add, in addition

3421
02:23:11,391 --> 02:23:12,392
to

3422
02:23:12,392 --> 02:23:15,392
judges, attorneys. Members of the

3423
02:23:16,396 --> 02:23:17,397
general assembly. Various, you know,

3424
02:23:17,397 --> 02:23:19,397
different

3425
02:23:19,399 --> 02:23:23,370
actors. Let me go through and get

3426
02:23:23,370 --> 02:23:25,370
the list.

3427
02:23:26,373 --> 02:23:28,373
it

3428
02:23:29,376 --> 02:23:31,376
would allow

3429
02:23:31,378 --> 02:23:32,379
them to request their personal information

3430
02:23:32,379 --> 02:23:34,379
to

3431
02:23:35,382 --> 02:23:37,382
be

3432
02:23:38,385 --> 02:23:39,386
removed. Protected

3433
02:23:39,386 --> 02:23:41,388
individuals include attorneys, state

3434
02:23:41,388 --> 02:23:43,388
prosecutor, state's

3435
02:23:44,391 --> 02:23:47,391
attorney, u.s. Attorney. Current

3436
02:23:47,394 --> 02:23:49,396
or retired law enforcement.

3437
02:23:49,396 --> 02:23:50,397
retired member of the police force

3438
02:23:50,397 --> 02:23:52,397
or other member

3439
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:56,370
of the united states. Federal,

3440
02:23:56,370 --> 02:23:59,370
state or local elected officials.

3441
02:23:59,373 --> 02:24:01,373
spouses and

3442
02:24:02,376 --> 02:24:04,378
depend ants of those folks. You

3443
02:24:04,378 --> 02:24:07,978
know, if their information and address

3444
02:24:08,382 --> 02:24:10,384
would appear in our

3445
02:24:10,384 --> 02:24:11,385
system they can request for that information

3446
02:24:11,385 --> 02:24:13,385
to

3447
02:24:14,388 --> 02:24:15,389
be removed. Now, when it gets to be

3448
02:24:15,389 --> 02:24:17,391
that the information is a part of

3449
02:24:17,391 --> 02:24:20,391
our record in a case

3450
02:24:20,394 --> 02:24:22,794
it gets a little

3451
02:24:23,397 --> 02:24:25,397
bit complicated.

3452
02:24:32,372 --> 02:24:34,374
but you know, as the list

3453
02:24:34,374 --> 02:24:38,378
expands, and we expect that it will

3454
02:24:38,378 --> 02:24:40,378
continue to expand.

3455
02:24:41,381 --> 02:24:43,381
we might

3456
02:24:43,383 --> 02:24:47,387
have to add resources to deal with

3457
02:24:47,387 --> 02:24:49,387
the requests.

3458
02:24:55,395 --> 02:24:56,396
I will stop there and see if you have

3459
02:24:56,396 --> 02:24:58,396
any questions.

3460
02:24:59,399 --> 02:25:02,369
>> I think that this is a

3461
02:25:02,369 --> 02:25:04,369
good idea.

3462
02:25:08,375 --> 02:25:10,375
I

3463
02:25:11,378 --> 02:25:14,378
think they need to have

3464
02:25:17,384 --> 02:25:18,385
anonimity because of the views others

3465
02:25:18,385 --> 02:25:20,385
share,

3466
02:25:20,387 --> 02:25:21,388
however I think there needs to be

3467
02:25:21,388 --> 02:25:22,389
an

3468
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:25,392
ability to obtain the addresses in

3469
02:25:25,392 --> 02:25:26,393
the event that these people or individuals

3470
02:25:26,393 --> 02:25:28,393
are subject

3471
02:25:28,395 --> 02:25:29,396
to legal actions that require them

3472
02:25:29,396 --> 02:25:31,396
to

3473
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:34,399
be served.

3474
02:25:38,372 --> 02:25:41,375
if there is a request for

3475
02:25:41,375 --> 02:25:44,375
their addresses for the purposes

3476
02:25:44,378 --> 02:25:46,778
of constituting a legal

3477
02:25:47,381 --> 02:25:49,381
matter against

3478
02:25:50,384 --> 02:25:52,384
them

3479
02:25:52,386 --> 02:25:53,387
I think that needs to be available

3480
02:25:53,387 --> 02:25:55,387
for those

3481
02:25:55,389 --> 02:25:56,390
reasons only and there needs to be

3482
02:25:56,390 --> 02:25:58,390
a way

3483
02:25:59,393 --> 02:26:02,396
it is managed. An example would be

3484
02:26:02,396 --> 02:26:05,399
an off duty police officer driving

3485
02:26:05,399 --> 02:26:07,401
his private vehicle is involved

3486
02:26:07,401 --> 02:26:11,100
in an automobile accident and subject

3487
02:26:11,371 --> 02:26:14,374
now to a personal injury claim.

3488
02:26:14,374 --> 02:26:16,374
they are not

3489
02:26:17,377 --> 02:26:19,377
expect from being

3490
02:26:20,380 --> 02:26:22,780
pursued in a civil

3491
02:26:23,383 --> 02:26:25,383
litigation act. Being

3492
02:26:25,385 --> 02:26:26,386
served and it shouldn't be allowed.

3493
02:26:26,386 --> 02:26:28,386
there

3494
02:26:29,389 --> 02:26:32,392
has to be some kind of

3495
02:26:32,392 --> 02:26:34,392
a

3496
02:26:35,395 --> 02:26:37,395
provision

3497
02:26:40,400 --> 02:26:41,401
provision.

3498
02:26:41,401 --> 02:26:42,369
>> thank you for that.

3499
02:26:42,369 --> 02:26:44,369
how would

3500
02:26:44,371 --> 02:26:46,371
we address that?

3501
02:26:50,377 --> 02:26:52,777
>> I think that idea

3502
02:26:53,380 --> 02:26:56,383
is being addressed. The bill is establishing

3503
02:26:56,383 --> 02:26:58,383
a program under

3504
02:26:59,386 --> 02:27:01,386
the secretary of

3505
02:27:02,389 --> 02:27:05,389
state that would be the

3506
02:27:05,392 --> 02:27:08,392
clearing house for the confidentiality

3507
02:27:08,395 --> 02:27:10,397
requests. You know, just like the

3508
02:27:10,397 --> 02:27:11,398
secretary of state is where you would

3509
02:27:11,398 --> 02:27:13,398
go if

3510
02:27:14,401 --> 02:27:15,369
you can't find a resident agent to

3511
02:27:15,369 --> 02:27:16,370
serve. You

3512
02:27:16,370 --> 02:27:17,371
would go to the secretary of state

3513
02:27:17,371 --> 02:27:19,371
if you

3514
02:27:19,373 --> 02:27:20,374
could not find an address because someone

3515
02:27:20,374 --> 02:27:22,374
requested the confidentiality.

3516
02:27:26,380 --> 02:27:28,382
>> you are saying that

3517
02:27:28,382 --> 02:27:29,383
there is a way to get the information?

3518
02:27:29,383 --> 02:27:31,383
>> yes. The bill

3519
02:27:31,385 --> 02:27:32,386
is establishing the program under

3520
02:27:32,386 --> 02:27:35,386
the secretary of state. Yeah.

3521
02:27:35,389 --> 02:27:38,392
you would go there. You would go there

3522
02:27:38,392 --> 02:27:41,992
in order to get the information.

3523
02:27:47,401 --> 02:27:50,370
I don't know. This is not the

3524
02:27:50,370 --> 02:27:51,371
type of thing that we get involved

3525
02:27:51,371 --> 02:27:52,372
in. You

3526
02:27:52,372 --> 02:27:53,373
know, usually we are dealing with the people

3527
02:27:53,373 --> 02:27:55,373
that come

3528
02:27:56,376 --> 02:27:57,377
and testify and give their address.

3529
02:27:57,377 --> 02:27:59,377
you know,

3530
02:27:59,379 --> 02:28:01,381
we are not generally the place

3531
02:28:01,381 --> 02:28:02,382
to go if you are looking for someone.

3532
02:28:02,382 --> 02:28:04,382
>> okay.

3533
02:28:05,385 --> 02:28:07,785
any other comments or

3534
02:28:08,388 --> 02:28:10,388
questions?

3535
02:28:11,391 --> 02:28:13,391
is there

3536
02:28:14,394 --> 02:28:15,395
a motion?

3537
02:28:15,395 --> 02:28:17,795
>> one more. I'm sorry.

3538
02:28:18,398 --> 02:28:19,399
>> yeah. We do have one more. We

3539
02:28:19,399 --> 02:28:21,401
don't have a position statement for

3540
02:28:21,401 --> 02:28:23,401
it. Just

3541
02:28:24,371 --> 02:28:27,371
very quickly, this is a

3542
02:28:27,374 --> 02:28:29,374
bill that would

3543
02:28:30,377 --> 02:28:32,379
require --those were informational

3544
02:28:32,379 --> 02:28:33,380
comments. We don't need a vote on

3545
02:28:33,380 --> 02:28:35,380
that unless you

3546
02:28:36,383 --> 02:28:39,386
do want us to take a position

3547
02:28:39,386 --> 02:28:41,386
on the protected

3548
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:44,389
individuals.

3549
02:28:51,398 --> 02:28:53,398
so,

3550
02:28:54,401 --> 02:28:55,369
the last one, I promise,

3551
02:28:55,369 --> 02:28:57,371
public schools, water safety and swimming

3552
02:28:57,371 --> 02:28:58,372
course.

3553
02:28:58,372 --> 02:29:00,374
this bill would require the state

3554
02:29:00,374 --> 02:29:02,374
board of

3555
02:29:03,377 --> 02:29:04,378
education to develop a crim lumb

3556
02:29:04,378 --> 02:29:06,380
around water safety and swimming.

3557
02:29:06,380 --> 02:29:08,380
this is the

3558
02:29:09,383 --> 02:29:11,385
second time that the

3559
02:29:11,385 --> 02:29:12,386
bill has come before the general assembly.

3560
02:29:12,386 --> 02:29:14,386
we would

3561
02:29:14,388 --> 02:29:15,389
like to support the bill. We think

3562
02:29:15,389 --> 02:29:17,389
that it

3563
02:29:17,391 --> 02:29:21,395
can be workable in the sense that

3564
02:29:21,395 --> 02:29:22,396
it requires a crim lumb but it

3565
02:29:22,396 --> 02:29:24,398
does not require each school to have

3566
02:29:24,398 --> 02:29:25,399
a pool. Water

3567
02:29:25,399 --> 02:29:27,401
safety is important. Obviously we

3568
02:29:27,401 --> 02:29:29,369
have facilities.

3569
02:29:29,369 --> 02:29:30,370
some of our facilities have pools

3570
02:29:30,370 --> 02:29:32,370
and some of

3571
02:29:33,373 --> 02:29:35,373
the facilities are

3572
02:29:35,375 --> 02:29:36,376
in close proximity to public schools.

3573
02:29:36,376 --> 02:29:38,376
we are

3574
02:29:39,379 --> 02:29:42,382
happy to work with schools to help them

3575
02:29:42,382 --> 02:29:44,782
with this curriculum as

3576
02:29:45,385 --> 02:29:47,385
well as help

3577
02:29:48,388 --> 02:29:50,388
them

3578
02:29:57,397 --> 02:30:00,400
do or plan for implementation. I

3579
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:02,400
will stop there.

3580
02:30:03,370 --> 02:30:05,370
there is

3581
02:30:05,372 --> 02:30:09,376
a class, and how do we participate

3582
02:30:09,376 --> 02:30:11,376
in the class?

3583
02:30:12,379 --> 02:30:14,379
there

3584
02:30:15,382 --> 02:30:17,782
are models for this

3585
02:30:18,385 --> 02:30:20,385
throughout the country.

3586
02:30:24,391 --> 02:30:26,391
we

3587
02:30:27,394 --> 02:30:30,394
want to talk about water

3588
02:30:30,397 --> 02:30:32,397
safety courses.

3589
02:30:36,370 --> 02:30:38,370
we are a

3590
02:30:39,373 --> 02:30:41,373
resource, and we

3591
02:30:42,376 --> 02:30:44,376
want to

3592
02:30:54,388 --> 02:30:57,391
we are raising our hand to

3593
02:30:57,391 --> 02:30:59,391
help and

3594
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:02,360
do

3595
02:31:12,372 --> 02:31:13,373
.

3596
02:31:13,373 --> 02:31:14,374
>> last year

3597
02:31:14,374 --> 02:31:15,375
I did verbal testimony with her on

3598
02:31:15,375 --> 02:31:18,375
the bill and she has

3599
02:31:18,378 --> 02:31:21,381
been working with the parks and

3600
02:31:21,381 --> 02:31:23,781
recreation department to ensure

3601
02:31:24,384 --> 02:31:26,384
that we

3602
02:31:27,387 --> 02:31:29,387
provide sound

3603
02:31:29,389 --> 02:31:30,390
feedback and recommendation for the

3604
02:31:30,390 --> 02:31:32,390
bill. Last year,

3605
02:31:33,393 --> 02:31:35,393
I think we

3606
02:31:36,396 --> 02:31:38,396
just offered

3607
02:31:39,399 --> 02:31:41,399
verbal testimony in

3608
02:31:42,369 --> 02:31:43,370
support of the bill.

3609
02:31:43,370 --> 02:31:44,371
>> have

3610
02:31:44,371 --> 02:31:45,372
you talked to the public schools?

3611
02:31:45,372 --> 02:31:47,372
>> yeah.

3612
02:31:48,375 --> 02:31:50,375
are they supported?

3613
02:31:51,378 --> 02:31:54,378
does it come with financing?

3614
02:31:54,381 --> 02:31:56,781
this is probably where

3615
02:31:57,384 --> 02:32:00,387
they have to bus the kids

3616
02:32:00,387 --> 02:32:02,389
during the school hour to go to the

3617
02:32:02,389 --> 02:32:03,390
pool and come back. It is not free.

3618
02:32:03,390 --> 02:32:05,390
>> you

3619
02:32:06,393 --> 02:32:08,395
know, it is explained to us that

3620
02:32:08,395 --> 02:32:09,396
the curriculum can include pool time

3621
02:32:09,396 --> 02:32:11,796
but it does not

3622
02:32:12,399 --> 02:32:15,369
have to. It can literally

3623
02:32:15,369 --> 02:32:17,769
just be classroom instruction

3624
02:32:18,372 --> 02:32:19,373
about water safety.

3625
02:32:19,373 --> 02:32:21,373
>>

3626
02:32:21,375 --> 02:32:23,775
but it says swimming.

3627
02:32:24,378 --> 02:32:26,378
yes.

3628
02:32:27,381 --> 02:32:29,381
swimming course.

3629
02:32:33,387 --> 02:32:36,390
it is a great thing if they do,

3630
02:32:36,390 --> 02:32:37,391
but I am saying if the public school

3631
02:32:37,391 --> 02:32:39,391
gets

3632
02:32:39,393 --> 02:32:41,393
funding for that.

3633
02:32:45,399 --> 02:32:47,399
even though it

3634
02:32:48,402 --> 02:32:50,402
says swimming

3635
02:32:51,371 --> 02:32:53,371
course

3636
02:32:53,373 --> 02:32:54,374
doesn't mean they have to go to the

3637
02:32:54,374 --> 02:32:55,375
pool.

3638
02:32:55,375 --> 02:32:57,375
>> it

3639
02:32:57,377 --> 02:32:59,777
is more of a

3640
02:33:00,380 --> 02:33:02,380
safety course.

3641
02:33:09,389 --> 02:33:11,389
it is about

3642
02:33:12,392 --> 02:33:14,392
basically safety on

3643
02:33:15,395 --> 02:33:17,395
the water.

3644
02:33:22,369 --> 02:33:24,369
they want

3645
02:33:25,372 --> 02:33:28,375
to be able to assist the

3646
02:33:28,375 --> 02:33:30,375
sponsor, you

3647
02:33:31,378 --> 02:33:33,378
know,

3648
02:33:34,381 --> 02:33:37,381
talk about how it can

3649
02:33:37,384 --> 02:33:39,384
be

3650
02:33:39,386 --> 02:33:42,986
implemented without a pool or water-

3651
02:33:43,390 --> 02:33:45,390
based approaches.

3652
02:33:50,397 --> 02:33:52,399
we can get more information and have

3653
02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:53,400
a more

3654
02:33:53,400 --> 02:33:55,402
detailed presentation next week if

3655
02:33:55,402 --> 02:33:56,370
you want, but we did not

3656
02:33:56,370 --> 02:33:58,372
plan to do a position statement on

3657
02:33:58,372 --> 02:34:00,372
this.

3658
02:34:00,374 --> 02:34:01,375
we wanted to just interact with the

3659
02:34:01,375 --> 02:34:03,375
sponsor and have

3660
02:34:03,377 --> 02:34:04,378
you aware that we are going to interact

3661
02:34:04,378 --> 02:34:06,378
with a sponsor.

3662
02:34:07,381 --> 02:34:08,382
no need for a vote.

3663
02:34:08,382 --> 02:34:09,383
>> it is great

3664
02:34:09,383 --> 02:34:10,384
that you brought it before us. We

3665
02:34:10,384 --> 02:34:12,384
are learning

3666
02:34:13,387 --> 02:34:15,387
more about it.

3667
02:34:16,390 --> 02:34:17,391
yeah.

3668
02:34:17,391 --> 02:34:18,392
>> I

3669
02:34:18,392 --> 02:34:19,393
wanted to mention something. I think that we

3670
02:34:19,393 --> 02:34:21,393
do want to

3671
02:34:22,396 --> 02:34:24,398
do a statement on it. I think

3672
02:34:24,398 --> 02:34:25,399
that we have time to bring it back

3673
02:34:25,399 --> 02:34:27,399
next week.

3674
02:34:28,402 --> 02:34:29,369
we want to get a statement, and we

3675
02:34:29,369 --> 02:34:31,371
want to get support on thethe bill.

3676
02:34:31,371 --> 02:34:33,371
>> we will

3677
02:34:33,373 --> 02:34:34,374
have more information when we bring

3678
02:34:34,374 --> 02:34:35,375
back a

3679
02:34:35,375 --> 02:34:36,376
draft position statement.

3680
02:34:36,376 --> 02:34:37,377
>> often

3681
02:34:37,377 --> 02:34:39,377
given

3682
02:34:40,380 --> 02:34:43,380
that it affects both counties

3683
02:34:43,383 --> 02:34:46,383
is there someone that could

3684
02:34:46,386 --> 02:34:48,386
check our department

3685
02:34:49,389 --> 02:34:51,389
of recreation.

3686
02:34:58,398 --> 02:35:01,398
we can check with gabe

3687
02:35:01,401 --> 02:35:03,401
or someone there.

3688
02:35:06,373 --> 02:35:09,376
>> she is as it does not include swimming.

3689
02:35:09,376 --> 02:35:11,378
it does make sense to include swimming,

3690
02:35:11,378 --> 02:35:15,382
but it is not playing with the water.

3691
02:35:15,382 --> 02:35:19,386
>> I think that it does say there

3692
02:35:19,386 --> 02:35:21,386
are options.

3693
02:35:28,395 --> 02:35:30,395
they will be

3694
02:35:30,397 --> 02:35:33,997
participating in this in either event.

3695
02:35:34,401 --> 02:35:36,401
we will find

3696
02:35:37,371 --> 02:35:39,371
out --

3697
02:35:43,377 --> 02:35:45,377
>> one

3698
02:35:46,380 --> 02:35:48,380
last thing.

3699
02:35:51,385 --> 02:35:52,386
can you check with the rec department

3700
02:35:52,386 --> 02:35:54,386
and make sure

3701
02:35:54,388 --> 02:35:55,389
they have seen this? I don't know

3702
02:35:55,389 --> 02:35:57,389
if they

3703
02:35:57,391 --> 02:35:58,392
weighed in last year? I am fine with

3704
02:35:58,392 --> 02:36:00,392
it.

3705
02:36:01,395 --> 02:36:04,395
I wanted to touch the

3706
02:36:04,398 --> 02:36:06,398
bases.

3707
02:36:13,373 --> 02:36:15,373
>> that's it.

3708
02:36:15,375 --> 02:36:16,376
all we have.

3709
02:36:16,376 --> 02:36:18,376
>> one more comment.

3710
02:36:19,379 --> 02:36:21,779
>> yeah. Is this bill

3711
02:36:22,382 --> 02:36:24,382
going to be

3712
02:36:25,385 --> 02:36:27,385
mandatory with regards

3713
02:36:28,388 --> 02:36:30,388
to the department

3714
02:36:31,391 --> 02:36:32,392
of education?

3715
02:36:32,392 --> 02:36:33,393
>>

3716
02:36:33,393 --> 02:36:34,394
it would be a mandatory requirement

3717
02:36:34,394 --> 02:36:36,394
they

3718
02:36:37,397 --> 02:36:39,797
develop a curriculum. How

3719
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:42,369
they implement would depend on the

3720
02:36:42,369 --> 02:36:43,370
local boards and schools, but again

3721
02:36:43,370 --> 02:36:45,370
that is something

3722
02:36:46,373 --> 02:36:49,376
that we want to help the

3723
02:36:49,376 --> 02:36:51,376
sponsor with.

3724
02:36:52,379 --> 02:36:54,379
>> I am

3725
02:36:55,382 --> 02:36:57,382
against the bill.

3726
02:37:04,391 --> 02:37:06,391
I don't think

3727
02:37:07,394 --> 02:37:09,394
that it had

3728
02:37:10,397 --> 02:37:13,400
it all. It is a distraction from focusing

3729
02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:14,401
on the blueprint.

3730
02:37:14,401 --> 02:37:16,370
>> okay. >>

3731
02:37:16,370 --> 02:37:18,370
you will comecome

3732
02:37:19,373 --> 02:37:21,373
next --what?

3733
02:37:21,375 --> 02:37:22,376
>> we will get back to you next week

3734
02:37:22,376 --> 02:37:24,376
with a

3735
02:37:24,378 --> 02:37:25,379
bit more information and proposed

3736
02:37:25,379 --> 02:37:26,380
language.

3737
02:37:26,380 --> 02:37:28,380
>> great.

3738
02:37:28,382 --> 02:37:30,382
thank you.

3739
02:37:31,385 --> 02:37:33,385
thank

3740
02:37:34,388 --> 02:37:37,391
you. This is the start of

3741
02:37:37,391 --> 02:37:39,391
many, many

3742
02:37:40,394 --> 02:37:42,394
discussions

3743
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:48,800
we are go to

3744
02:37:49,369 --> 02:37:52,369
take a two-minute break and

3745
02:37:52,372 --> 02:37:55,372
then start with the next

3746
02:37:55,375 --> 02:37:57,375
item, number 5. Briefing

3747
02:37:58,378 --> 02:38:00,378
community trends

3748
02:38:00,380 --> 02:38:01,381
report, a look at montgomery county communities since 2010.

3749
02:38:01,381 --> 02:38:03,381
thank you.

3750
02:42:14,401 --> 02:42:16,401
>> we are

3751
02:42:17,371 --> 02:42:18,372
on item number 5. A look at montgomery

3752
02:42:18,372 --> 02:42:20,372
county

3753
02:42:20,374 --> 02:42:21,375
community since 2010. Staff is providing a

3754
02:42:21,375 --> 02:42:23,375
briefing to

3755
02:42:23,377 --> 02:42:24,378
the board. We have james lee of the

3756
02:42:24,378 --> 02:42:26,378
planning department this

3757
02:42:26,380 --> 02:42:28,780
morning leading the presentation

3758
02:42:29,383 --> 02:42:30,384
with his distinguished cast of teammates

3759
02:42:30,384 --> 02:42:32,384
there.

3760
02:42:32,386 --> 02:42:33,387
thank you.

3761
02:42:33,387 --> 02:42:34,388
>> chair harris, members

3762
02:42:34,388 --> 02:42:35,389
of

3763
02:42:35,389 --> 02:42:38,392
the planning board thank you. I am

3764
02:42:38,392 --> 02:42:40,792
james lee forecaster and

3765
02:42:41,395 --> 02:42:42,396
demographic research andist with the

3766
02:42:42,396 --> 02:42:44,396
strategic

3767
02:42:44,398 --> 02:42:45,399
projects division. I have the team

3768
02:42:45,399 --> 02:42:47,399
members

3769
02:42:47,401 --> 02:42:49,801
here today for the

3770
02:42:50,370 --> 02:42:52,370
project.

3771
02:42:53,373 --> 02:42:55,373
lisa

3772
02:42:56,376 --> 02:42:58,376
and bob and

3773
02:42:59,379 --> 02:43:01,381
colin and the division

3774
02:43:01,381 --> 02:43:02,382
chief, kerry mccarthy here today.

3775
02:43:02,382 --> 02:43:03,383
for

3776
02:43:03,383 --> 02:43:05,385
today's informational briefing for

3777
02:43:05,385 --> 02:43:07,387
the planning board, we have

3778
02:43:07,387 --> 02:43:08,388
the community trends report. A look

3779
02:43:08,388 --> 02:43:10,388
at montgomery

3780
02:43:10,390 --> 02:43:11,391
county communities since 2010. The

3781
02:43:11,391 --> 02:43:13,391
new publication

3782
02:43:14,394 --> 02:43:15,395
by the research and strategic projects

3783
02:43:15,395 --> 02:43:17,395
division

3784
02:43:17,397 --> 02:43:18,398
is the culmination of more than two

3785
02:43:18,398 --> 02:43:20,400
years of work by

3786
02:43:20,400 --> 02:43:24,371
the staff members here. We are delighted

3787
02:43:24,371 --> 02:43:26,771
to bring it to

3788
02:43:27,374 --> 02:43:29,374
you today.

3789
02:43:30,377 --> 02:43:32,377
we

3790
02:43:32,379 --> 02:43:33,380
will go over the project background

3791
02:43:33,380 --> 02:43:35,380
and discuss

3792
02:43:35,382 --> 02:43:36,383
key findings divided into place, people

3793
02:43:36,383 --> 02:43:38,383
and

3794
02:43:38,385 --> 02:43:39,386
housing. Then we will do a dash board

3795
02:43:39,386 --> 02:43:41,386
demo.

3796
02:43:41,388 --> 02:43:42,389
we will ask a planning boardmember

3797
02:43:42,389 --> 02:43:44,389
to tell

3798
02:43:44,391 --> 02:43:45,392
us which communities information you

3799
02:43:45,392 --> 02:43:47,394
would like to see

3800
02:43:47,394 --> 02:43:48,395
and will conclude with key points

3801
02:43:48,395 --> 02:43:50,395
about the report

3802
02:43:51,398 --> 02:43:54,398
and our analysis. We do

3803
02:43:54,401 --> 02:43:57,371
have a long presentation so a

3804
02:43:57,371 --> 02:43:59,371
fair warning here.

3805
02:44:02,376 --> 02:44:06,380
first of all, let's start with the

3806
02:44:06,380 --> 02:44:08,380
project origins, goals

3807
02:44:08,382 --> 02:44:09,383
and methods. Work started in 2024,

3808
02:44:09,383 --> 02:44:11,383
and it is

3809
02:44:12,386 --> 02:44:14,388
the research division's first

3810
02:44:14,388 --> 02:44:15,389
comprehensive study of four small areas

3811
02:44:15,389 --> 02:44:17,389
of the

3812
02:44:17,391 --> 02:44:19,791
county. Staff previously completed

3813
02:44:20,394 --> 02:44:21,395
county-wide level analysis for master

3814
02:44:21,395 --> 02:44:23,395
planning

3815
02:44:24,398 --> 02:44:26,400
efforts, the report provides

3816
02:44:26,400 --> 02:44:28,402
a detailed look all parts of the county

3817
02:44:28,402 --> 02:44:30,370
including places where the master plans have not recently

3818
02:44:30,370 --> 02:44:32,370
been conducted.

3819
02:44:35,375 --> 02:44:36,376
while the report is new to montgomery

3820
02:44:36,376 --> 02:44:38,376
county, we

3821
02:44:39,379 --> 02:44:40,380
drew inspiration from

3822
02:44:40,380 --> 02:44:42,382
organizations across the united states

3823
02:44:42,382 --> 02:44:44,382
with

3824
02:44:44,384 --> 02:44:45,385
existing level products. For example

3825
02:44:45,385 --> 02:44:47,385
we

3826
02:44:48,388 --> 02:44:49,389
looked at information from

3827
02:44:49,389 --> 02:44:51,391
the new york university center for real

3828
02:44:51,391 --> 02:44:54,391
estate and urban policy. We

3829
02:44:54,394 --> 02:44:56,396
also looked at information from houston,

3830
02:44:56,396 --> 02:44:57,397
texas, portland, oregon, the city

3831
02:44:57,397 --> 02:44:59,397
of

3832
02:45:00,400 --> 02:45:02,400
chicago, et cetera.

3833
02:45:02,402 --> 02:45:03,370
we set out to do the project and we

3834
02:45:03,370 --> 02:45:05,370
had several goals

3835
02:45:05,372 --> 02:45:08,372
in mind. First, document changing

3836
02:45:09,376 --> 02:45:11,776
conditions objectively. Second, inform

3837
02:45:12,379 --> 02:45:13,380
policy makers in the public of local

3838
02:45:13,380 --> 02:45:14,381
trends

3839
02:45:14,381 --> 02:45:15,382
and patterns across the county over

3840
02:45:15,382 --> 02:45:17,382
time, and

3841
02:45:17,384 --> 02:45:18,385
third support policy and other decision

3842
02:45:18,385 --> 02:45:20,385
making with useful

3843
02:45:21,388 --> 02:45:23,788
and easily accessible and

3844
02:45:24,391 --> 02:45:26,393
understandable data. The report

3845
02:45:26,393 --> 02:45:27,394
consists of an online pdf publication

3846
02:45:27,394 --> 02:45:29,394
with

3847
02:45:30,397 --> 02:45:32,397
38 community profiles --

3848
02:45:32,399 --> 02:45:33,400
37 communities and one for the county

3849
02:45:33,400 --> 02:45:35,400
as a whole

3850
02:45:36,370 --> 02:45:38,370
and

3851
02:45:39,373 --> 02:45:41,375
an interactive dashboard. I

3852
02:45:41,375 --> 02:45:42,376
will go over the data sources sources

3853
02:45:42,376 --> 02:45:44,376
for report.

3854
02:45:45,379 --> 02:45:48,379
we used multiple data sources

3855
02:45:48,382 --> 02:45:50,782
and analyzed 300 variables and

3856
02:45:51,385 --> 02:45:53,385
more

3857
02:45:57,391 --> 02:45:59,391
than 30,000

3858
02:46:00,394 --> 02:46:01,395
data points. Estimates for 2010, 2016,

3859
02:46:01,395 --> 02:46:02,396
2022

3860
02:46:02,396 --> 02:46:03,397
which we used for all demographic

3861
02:46:03,397 --> 02:46:05,397
and

3862
02:46:06,400 --> 02:46:09,403
most of the housing information and

3863
02:46:09,403 --> 02:46:11,371
used montgomery county

3864
02:46:11,371 --> 02:46:12,372
administrative data reflecting conditions

3865
02:46:12,372 --> 02:46:14,372
as of 2024.

3866
02:46:14,374 --> 02:46:17,974
the sources include the maryland state

3867
02:46:18,378 --> 02:46:20,378
department of assessment

3868
02:46:21,381 --> 02:46:23,781
s and taxation property

3869
02:46:24,384 --> 02:46:26,386
data. We looked at housing type and

3870
02:46:26,386 --> 02:46:27,387
year built information as well as

3871
02:46:27,387 --> 02:46:29,387
land

3872
02:46:29,389 --> 02:46:31,391
use and development information. We

3873
02:46:31,391 --> 02:46:33,391
also pulled informationinformation

3874
02:46:33,393 --> 02:46:35,393
montgomery parks

3875
02:46:36,396 --> 02:46:38,398
for parkland, local state and national

3876
02:46:38,398 --> 02:46:39,399
parkland. Montgomery county office

3877
02:46:39,399 --> 02:46:41,399
of

3878
02:46:42,402 --> 02:46:44,402
technology and enterprise.

3879
02:46:48,375 --> 02:46:50,375
also

3880
02:46:51,378 --> 02:46:53,778
we pulled information from

3881
02:46:54,381 --> 02:46:56,381
montgomery county public

3882
02:46:57,384 --> 02:46:59,384
schools.

3883
02:47:00,387 --> 02:47:02,387
finally we

3884
02:47:03,390 --> 02:47:05,390
had private

3885
02:47:06,393 --> 02:47:08,393
sector information.

3886
02:47:09,396 --> 02:47:11,396
in addition to

3887
02:47:12,399 --> 02:47:15,399
the land use due to

3888
02:47:15,402 --> 02:47:16,370
lack of available historical data

3889
02:47:16,370 --> 02:47:17,371
and

3890
02:47:17,371 --> 02:47:18,372
slow changes in characteristics of

3891
02:47:18,372 --> 02:47:20,372
the

3892
02:47:21,375 --> 02:47:23,375
period studied.

3893
02:47:27,381 --> 02:47:30,384
a key question to address, how do

3894
02:47:30,384 --> 02:47:32,384
we define

3895
02:47:33,387 --> 02:47:35,387
communities.

3896
02:47:36,390 --> 02:47:38,790
a community is often

3897
02:47:39,393 --> 02:47:41,393
subjectively defined.

3898
02:47:42,396 --> 02:47:44,396
however

3899
02:47:45,399 --> 02:47:47,399
a quantitative analysis

3900
02:47:48,402 --> 02:47:50,402
needs set boundaries

3901
02:47:51,371 --> 02:47:53,771
over time. We see

3902
02:47:54,374 --> 02:47:56,376
how each of them divides up

3903
02:47:56,376 --> 02:47:57,377
montgomery county. The county has

3904
02:47:57,377 --> 02:47:59,377
a lot of

3905
02:48:01,381 --> 02:48:03,381
boundary types. Census

3906
02:48:04,384 --> 02:48:06,384
bureau

3907
02:48:07,387 --> 02:48:09,387
boundaries. Census designated

3908
02:48:09,389 --> 02:48:10,390
places and municipalities as shown

3909
02:48:10,390 --> 02:48:12,390
on the

3910
02:48:13,393 --> 02:48:15,395
left, and we looked at the

3911
02:48:15,395 --> 02:48:19,399
own master plan areas and the areas

3912
02:48:19,399 --> 02:48:21,399
themselves and other

3913
02:48:22,402 --> 02:48:24,402
geographies

3914
02:48:25,372 --> 02:48:28,375
and zip codes. We consulted with

3915
02:48:28,375 --> 02:48:30,775
planning staff to understand

3916
02:48:31,378 --> 02:48:33,378
community boundaries

3917
02:48:34,381 --> 02:48:36,381
and sentiments.

3918
02:48:41,388 --> 02:48:43,390
do residents consideration themselves

3919
02:48:43,390 --> 02:48:45,390
as residents

3920
02:48:46,393 --> 02:48:48,393
of silver spring,

3921
02:48:48,395 --> 02:48:52,399
bethesda, et cetera and how do the

3922
02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:55,402
existing boundaries for existing geographies line

3923
02:48:55,402 --> 02:48:57,402
up with

3924
02:48:58,372 --> 02:49:00,372
people's perceptions?

3925
02:49:01,375 --> 02:49:03,775
ultimately our efforts to

3926
02:49:04,378 --> 02:49:06,778
define areas that define

3927
02:49:07,381 --> 02:49:09,781
communities for this analysis

3928
02:49:10,384 --> 02:49:12,384
resulted in

3929
02:49:13,387 --> 02:49:16,387
37 community trend areas as shown

3930
02:49:16,390 --> 02:49:18,390
in the map.

3931
02:49:25,399 --> 02:49:27,399
we

3932
02:49:27,401 --> 02:49:31,100
wanted complete coverage of the county.

3933
02:49:31,371 --> 02:49:33,371
we

3934
02:49:34,374 --> 02:49:36,774
needed concrete, consistent non-

3935
02:49:37,377 --> 02:49:39,377
overlapping boundaries.

3936
02:49:40,380 --> 02:49:43,383
it requires information for the same set

3937
02:49:43,383 --> 02:49:44,384
of areas over time. We needed a

3938
02:49:44,384 --> 02:49:46,386
reasonable number of distinct communities

3939
02:49:46,386 --> 02:49:49,389
to analyze. If you have too

3940
02:49:49,389 --> 02:49:52,392
many areas, that means bigger areas

3941
02:49:52,392 --> 02:49:54,392
that could divide

3942
02:49:55,395 --> 02:49:57,395
up distinct community

3943
02:49:58,398 --> 02:50:00,398
s

3944
02:50:01,401 --> 02:50:03,401
ies

3945
02:50:04,371 --> 02:50:07,374
too many means multiple small area

3946
02:50:07,374 --> 02:50:10,374
that may introduce noise into

3947
02:50:10,377 --> 02:50:12,377
the analysis.

3948
02:50:16,383 --> 02:50:18,383
in addition

3949
02:50:19,386 --> 02:50:21,386
our data

3950
02:50:21,388 --> 02:50:24,388
available at the appropriate geographic

3951
02:50:25,392 --> 02:50:27,792
levels. Really to satisfy

3952
02:50:28,395 --> 02:50:30,395
the

3953
02:50:31,398 --> 02:50:33,398
criteria we

3954
02:50:34,401 --> 02:50:36,401
aggregated census block

3955
02:50:37,371 --> 02:50:39,371
groups.

3956
02:50:46,380 --> 02:50:48,380
we also presented

3957
02:50:49,383 --> 02:50:52,383
them sbreshlly to planning department

3958
02:50:52,386 --> 02:50:54,386
leadership for additional

3959
02:50:55,389 --> 02:50:57,389
feedback.

3960
02:51:01,395 --> 02:51:03,395
>> let me

3961
02:51:04,398 --> 02:51:06,400
go back to the

3962
02:51:06,400 --> 02:51:11,200
map itself. They are included in this map.

3963
02:51:16,376 --> 02:51:18,376
we question

3964
02:51:19,379 --> 02:51:22,379
is how do we describe

3965
02:51:22,382 --> 02:51:23,383
these communities. What indicators

3966
02:51:23,383 --> 02:51:25,383
do we

3967
02:51:25,385 --> 02:51:26,386
want to use for this report? We focussed

3968
02:51:26,386 --> 02:51:28,386
on

3969
02:51:28,388 --> 02:51:30,390
land use, demographics and

3970
02:51:30,390 --> 02:51:31,391
housing characteristics and considered

3971
02:51:31,391 --> 02:51:33,391
which

3972
02:51:34,394 --> 02:51:35,395
characteristics are the most commonly

3973
02:51:35,395 --> 02:51:36,396
reported

3974
02:51:36,396 --> 02:51:37,397
and typically ones from a planning

3975
02:51:37,397 --> 02:51:39,397
perspective.

3976
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:42,400
also our

3977
02:51:43,370 --> 02:51:45,370
data available over

3978
02:51:46,373 --> 02:51:48,373
time they are

3979
02:51:49,376 --> 02:51:51,376
the

3980
02:51:52,379 --> 02:51:54,381
indicator s and what is a reasonable

3981
02:51:54,381 --> 02:51:58,385
number of indicators to cover a range

3982
02:51:58,385 --> 02:52:00,385
of topics?

3983
02:52:01,388 --> 02:52:03,388
not

3984
02:52:04,391 --> 02:52:07,391
so meaningful information is repetitive

3985
02:52:07,394 --> 02:52:09,394
and has no

3986
02:52:10,397 --> 02:52:12,397
significant value.

3987
02:52:16,403 --> 02:52:18,372
we organized them into place, people

3988
02:52:18,372 --> 02:52:19,373
and housing. For the place people,

3989
02:52:19,373 --> 02:52:21,373
we focused

3990
02:52:22,376 --> 02:52:23,377
on land use and development information

3991
02:52:23,377 --> 02:52:24,378
to

3992
02:52:24,378 --> 02:52:25,379
describe the built environment and the

3993
02:52:25,379 --> 02:52:27,381
natural environment as well

3994
02:52:27,381 --> 02:52:28,382
as publicly accessible facilities

3995
02:52:28,382 --> 02:52:30,382
and

3996
02:52:31,385 --> 02:52:32,386
amenities that are offered to the

3997
02:52:32,386 --> 02:52:33,387
broader

3998
02:52:33,387 --> 02:52:34,388
community, different types of services

3999
02:52:34,388 --> 02:52:36,388
including those related

4000
02:52:38,392 --> 02:52:39,393
to physical safety, health care,

4001
02:52:39,393 --> 02:52:42,393
education, recreation and food security.

4002
02:52:47,401 --> 02:52:49,401
the people

4003
02:52:49,403 --> 02:52:51,803
theme encompasses the demographics

4004
02:52:52,372 --> 02:52:55,372
of residents, racial diversity, english

4005
02:52:56,376 --> 02:52:58,376
usage and ability,

4006
02:52:58,378 --> 02:52:59,379
household composition, economic status,

4007
02:52:59,379 --> 02:53:01,379
indicators

4008
02:53:02,382 --> 02:53:04,382
such as education

4009
02:53:05,385 --> 02:53:07,385
and income.

4010
02:53:20,400 --> 02:53:23,370
housing type and age. Homeownership

4011
02:53:23,370 --> 02:53:25,370
and housing

4012
02:53:26,373 --> 02:53:28,373
affordability indicators.

4013
02:53:29,376 --> 02:53:31,376
these provide

4014
02:53:32,379 --> 02:53:34,379
a picture of

4015
02:53:35,382 --> 02:53:37,382
t

4016
02:53:38,385 --> 02:53:40,385
he current

4017
02:53:40,387 --> 02:53:41,388
housing landscape and are compared

4018
02:53:41,388 --> 02:53:43,388
across

4019
02:53:44,391 --> 02:53:46,791
jurisdictions and within a

4020
02:53:47,394 --> 02:53:49,394
nationwide context.

4021
02:53:56,403 --> 02:53:58,403
>> for the

4022
02:53:59,373 --> 02:54:02,376
record I will be first starting with

4023
02:54:02,376 --> 02:54:04,376
the key

4024
02:54:05,379 --> 02:54:07,779
findings. This explores two

4025
02:54:08,382 --> 02:54:10,384
main components. I will

4026
02:54:10,384 --> 02:54:11,385
walk through the major findings at

4027
02:54:11,385 --> 02:54:13,385
the

4028
02:54:14,388 --> 02:54:17,988
county level and then into specific

4029
02:54:20,394 --> 02:54:22,394
ctas. It

4030
02:54:22,396 --> 02:54:23,397
reports each environment inin 2024

4031
02:54:23,397 --> 02:54:25,397
when

4032
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:28,400
the data was

4033
02:54:29,403 --> 02:54:31,403
collected.

4034
02:54:32,372 --> 02:54:35,375
we looked at eight kinds of places

4035
02:54:35,375 --> 02:54:38,378
of interest. In total, in 2024 the

4036
02:54:38,378 --> 02:54:41,378
county had 37 fire stations, 23 police

4037
02:54:41,381 --> 02:54:43,381
facilities, 31 health care

4038
02:54:43,383 --> 02:54:44,384
facilities, hospitals, treatment centers.

4039
02:54:44,384 --> 02:54:46,384
over

4040
02:54:47,387 --> 02:54:49,387
500 places of worship. 200

4041
02:54:49,389 --> 02:54:51,789
public schools. 50 recreation centers.

4042
02:54:52,392 --> 02:54:53,393
22 libraries. 238 grocery stores which

4043
02:54:53,393 --> 02:54:54,361
we define

4044
02:54:54,361 --> 02:54:59,161
as super markets and don't include convenient stores.

4045
02:55:05,372 --> 02:55:07,374
we found while places of interest

4046
02:55:07,374 --> 02:55:08,375
are distributed across the county

4047
02:55:08,375 --> 02:55:10,375
larger

4048
02:55:11,378 --> 02:55:13,778
and more density have

4049
02:55:14,381 --> 02:55:16,383
a higher concentration of the amenities.

4050
02:55:16,383 --> 02:55:17,384
rockville on the left has a far greater

4051
02:55:17,384 --> 02:55:19,384
number

4052
02:55:20,387 --> 02:55:22,787
of facilities and amenities,

4053
02:55:23,390 --> 02:55:25,390
101 than

4054
02:55:26,393 --> 02:55:27,394
trevillo, only one place of worship

4055
02:55:27,394 --> 02:55:29,394
withins

4056
02:55:29,396 --> 02:55:32,396
it boundaries. Rockville has a

4057
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:34,399
population of

4058
02:55:35,402 --> 02:55:37,402
67,000 to 10,800. The supply

4059
02:55:38,372 --> 02:55:40,372
of

4060
02:55:41,375 --> 02:55:43,375
amenities

4061
02:55:47,381 --> 02:55:49,781
places of interest are

4062
02:55:50,384 --> 02:55:52,384
often clustered.

4063
02:55:59,393 --> 02:56:01,793
land use in the

4064
02:56:02,396 --> 02:56:05,399
county. Three major land uses cover

4065
02:56:05,399 --> 02:56:07,399
77% of the

4066
02:56:08,402 --> 02:56:10,402
county's area.

4067
02:56:11,371 --> 02:56:13,371
that is

4068
02:56:14,374 --> 02:56:17,377
followed by parks and open space and

4069
02:56:17,377 --> 02:56:19,377
agculture

4070
02:56:20,380 --> 02:56:22,380
land at

4071
02:56:23,383 --> 02:56:25,383
23%.

4072
02:56:32,392 --> 02:56:34,392
accounting for all

4073
02:56:35,395 --> 02:56:37,795
of the land use

4074
02:56:38,398 --> 02:56:40,400
types, 85% is already developed

4075
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:41,401
or unavailable for new development.

4076
02:56:41,401 --> 02:56:43,403
that begs the question

4077
02:56:43,403 --> 02:56:44,371
of how we can continue to build in

4078
02:56:44,371 --> 02:56:46,371
the

4079
02:56:47,374 --> 02:56:49,374
county. Growth

4080
02:56:49,376 --> 02:56:50,377
relies on previously developments,

4081
02:56:50,377 --> 02:56:52,377
parking lots

4082
02:56:52,379 --> 02:56:56,579
or leveraging rights to expand existing buildings.

4083
02:57:01,388 --> 02:57:02,389
each land use type. We will start

4084
02:57:02,389 --> 02:57:04,789
with residential land. It

4085
02:57:05,392 --> 02:57:08,395
is notable that single family detached

4086
02:57:08,395 --> 02:57:10,395
homes occupy a

4087
02:57:11,398 --> 02:57:13,798
disproportionate amount of residential

4088
02:57:14,401 --> 02:57:17,371
land comprising 45% of the housing

4089
02:57:17,371 --> 02:57:19,771
stock take up 91% of

4090
02:57:20,374 --> 02:57:22,374
residential land area.

4091
02:57:35,389 --> 02:57:38,389
the county must now make

4092
02:57:38,392 --> 02:57:41,392
the most of its available

4093
02:57:41,395 --> 02:57:45,399
space. The challenge is to find room

4094
02:57:45,399 --> 02:57:47,399
for housing.

4095
02:57:53,373 --> 02:57:57,377
looking at residential land use at the

4096
02:57:57,377 --> 02:57:59,377
cta level.

4097
02:58:03,383 --> 02:58:05,383
single family

4098
02:58:05,385 --> 02:58:06,386
detached home occupy the greater level

4099
02:58:06,386 --> 02:58:08,386
at

4100
02:58:09,389 --> 02:58:11,389
55% of their

4101
02:58:12,392 --> 02:58:14,392
land area each.

4102
02:58:15,395 --> 02:58:17,395
leesure

4103
02:58:18,398 --> 02:58:21,398
world has the greatest share

4104
02:58:21,401 --> 02:58:23,401
at 27% and 23% respectively.

4105
02:58:24,371 --> 02:58:26,771
in terms of number

4106
02:58:27,374 --> 02:58:29,374
of

4107
02:58:30,377 --> 02:58:32,377
units

4108
02:58:42,389 --> 02:58:43,390
a

4109
02:58:43,390 --> 02:58:45,392
closer look at nonresidential land uses

4110
02:58:45,392 --> 02:58:47,392
in the county.

4111
02:58:47,394 --> 02:58:48,395
commercial development, institutional

4112
02:58:48,395 --> 02:58:50,395
facilities

4113
02:58:50,397 --> 02:58:51,398
and cultural properties. The office

4114
02:58:51,398 --> 02:58:53,398
and the

4115
02:58:53,400 --> 02:58:56,400
retail development occupy less than

4116
02:58:57,371 --> 02:58:59,371
2%. Institutional

4117
02:59:00,374 --> 02:59:02,774
and community facilities such

4118
02:59:03,377 --> 02:59:05,377
as

4119
02:59:06,380 --> 02:59:08,380
schools,

4120
02:59:09,383 --> 02:59:11,383
federal properties and

4121
02:59:11,385 --> 02:59:12,386
cultural properties only take up 1%

4122
02:59:12,386 --> 02:59:14,386
of

4123
02:59:14,388 --> 02:59:15,389
the county's land use. The map on

4124
02:59:15,389 --> 02:59:17,389
the right shows

4125
02:59:17,391 --> 02:59:18,392
where the land use is located in the

4126
02:59:18,392 --> 02:59:19,393
county with

4127
02:59:19,393 --> 02:59:21,393
commercial activities concentrated

4128
02:59:21,395 --> 02:59:23,395
along the I-

4129
02:59:24,364 --> 02:59:26,364
270 corridor.

4130
02:59:39,379 --> 02:59:41,379
north sda

4131
02:59:42,382 --> 02:59:44,382
has the most.

4132
02:59:54,394 --> 02:59:56,394
in terms

4133
02:59:57,397 --> 02:59:59,397
of retail

4134
03:00:00,400 --> 03:00:02,400
activity,

4135
03:00:03,403 --> 03:00:05,403
in mapping the

4136
03:00:06,373 --> 03:00:07,374
institutional and community

4137
03:00:07,374 --> 03:00:09,376
facilities, we noted certain parcels

4138
03:00:09,376 --> 03:00:11,376
that

4139
03:00:12,379 --> 03:00:14,379
were large.

4140
03:00:15,382 --> 03:00:17,382
these

4141
03:00:18,385 --> 03:00:20,385
are prominent federal

4142
03:00:21,388 --> 03:00:23,388
properties.

4143
03:00:27,394 --> 03:00:29,794
the large parcel is

4144
03:00:30,397 --> 03:00:32,397
the fda.

4145
03:00:39,373 --> 03:00:41,373
so the

4146
03:00:41,375 --> 03:00:42,376
policy implication is that while federal

4147
03:00:42,376 --> 03:00:44,376
facilities have been

4148
03:00:45,379 --> 03:00:48,382
an important part of the land use,

4149
03:00:48,382 --> 03:00:51,382
recent changes in the federal

4150
03:00:51,385 --> 03:00:53,385
government's

4151
03:00:54,388 --> 03:00:56,388
operations

4152
03:00:57,391 --> 03:00:59,391
can possibly

4153
03:01:03,397 --> 03:01:05,397
identify other spaces.

4154
03:01:06,400 --> 03:01:08,400
the county has

4155
03:01:09,403 --> 03:01:11,403
a considerable amount

4156
03:01:12,372 --> 03:01:14,372
of green space.

4157
03:01:15,375 --> 03:01:17,375
aren't 23%

4158
03:01:18,378 --> 03:01:21,378
of the county's land is

4159
03:01:21,381 --> 03:01:23,381
used

4160
03:01:24,384 --> 03:01:26,384
for agricultural

4161
03:01:30,390 --> 03:01:32,390
propers.

4162
03:01:33,393 --> 03:01:35,393
stream valley parks.

4163
03:01:35,395 --> 03:01:36,396
state parks. Reservoirs and water

4164
03:01:36,396 --> 03:01:38,396
sheds

4165
03:01:39,399 --> 03:01:41,401
owned by wssc. We included land

4166
03:01:41,401 --> 03:01:42,402
for outdoor public recreation and

4167
03:01:42,402 --> 03:01:44,371
natural

4168
03:01:44,371 --> 03:01:45,372
resource management under our definition

4169
03:01:45,372 --> 03:01:47,372
of parkland.

4170
03:01:48,375 --> 03:01:51,378
the county has a tree canopy of

4171
03:01:51,378 --> 03:01:53,378
47%, the percentage

4172
03:01:54,381 --> 03:01:56,781
of land shaded by

4173
03:01:57,384 --> 03:01:59,384
trees.

4174
03:02:03,390 --> 03:02:05,392
now, going deeper into

4175
03:02:05,392 --> 03:02:06,393
environmental land use across the

4176
03:02:06,393 --> 03:02:08,393
ctas.

4177
03:02:09,396 --> 03:02:11,796
85% of it is within

4178
03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:14,399
the

4179
03:02:15,402 --> 03:02:17,402
agricultural

4180
03:02:18,372 --> 03:02:20,372
reserve. Rock

4181
03:02:21,375 --> 03:02:22,376
hill orchard. Nearly every community

4182
03:02:22,376 --> 03:02:24,376
has

4183
03:02:24,378 --> 03:02:27,381
one park, the share of the total land

4184
03:02:27,381 --> 03:02:29,381
ranges from 1. 5% or 11

4185
03:02:30,384 --> 03:02:32,784
acres to 38% or over

4186
03:02:33,387 --> 03:02:35,387
7,000 acres

4187
03:02:36,390 --> 03:02:38,390
in clarksburg.

4188
03:02:39,393 --> 03:02:41,393
unsurprisingly

4189
03:02:42,396 --> 03:02:44,796
commercial areas have greater

4190
03:02:46,400 --> 03:02:48,400
tree colors.

4191
03:02:52,372 --> 03:02:54,372
25% to 59% in the

4192
03:02:55,375 --> 03:02:57,375
more residential sandy

4193
03:02:58,378 --> 03:03:00,378
springs.

4194
03:03:01,381 --> 03:03:03,381
further analysis

4195
03:03:04,384 --> 03:03:06,784
by land use may

4196
03:03:07,387 --> 03:03:09,387
be helpful.

4197
03:03:16,396 --> 03:03:18,396
>> this is

4198
03:03:19,399 --> 03:03:21,799
interesting so far. I

4199
03:03:22,402 --> 03:03:25,372
had a question about how we are

4200
03:03:25,372 --> 03:03:27,372
classifying ag

4201
03:03:28,375 --> 03:03:30,375
land. Are we

4202
03:03:31,378 --> 03:03:33,378
using the current

4203
03:03:34,381 --> 03:03:36,381
use

4204
03:03:40,387 --> 03:03:43,390
or are we talking about land

4205
03:03:43,390 --> 03:03:45,390
in production.

4206
03:03:49,396 --> 03:03:52,396
I am just kind of

4207
03:03:52,399 --> 03:03:54,399
curious. 70,000 is less

4208
03:03:55,402 --> 03:03:57,802
than the ag reserve

4209
03:03:58,372 --> 03:04:00,372
which makes

4210
03:04:01,375 --> 03:04:02,376
sense. I am just

4211
03:04:02,376 --> 03:04:04,378
curious how we are calculating that.

4212
03:04:04,378 --> 03:04:06,378
all of

4213
03:04:06,380 --> 03:04:07,381
the land use data we use the parcel

4214
03:04:07,381 --> 03:04:09,381
level

4215
03:04:10,384 --> 03:04:12,386
file. These are using the land

4216
03:04:12,386 --> 03:04:13,387
use category that our parcel layer

4217
03:04:13,387 --> 03:04:15,387
file has. It

4218
03:04:15,389 --> 03:04:18,989
is not necessarily specific land which

4219
03:04:19,393 --> 03:04:21,393
is used for

4220
03:04:25,399 --> 03:04:27,401
agricultural purposes. It is coded

4221
03:04:27,401 --> 03:04:28,402
as that in our parcel file.

4222
03:04:28,402 --> 03:04:30,402
>> okay.

4223
03:04:31,371 --> 03:04:33,371
thanks. That

4224
03:04:33,373 --> 03:04:34,374
makes sense.

4225
03:04:34,374 --> 03:04:36,774
>> in regards to tree

4226
03:04:37,377 --> 03:04:40,380
canopy, I am pleased to see

4227
03:04:40,380 --> 03:04:42,380
47% is

4228
03:04:43,383 --> 03:04:45,383
covered with

4229
03:04:46,386 --> 03:04:48,388
trees. Where there are more single

4230
03:04:48,388 --> 03:04:52,392
family units you see more tree covers.

4231
03:04:52,392 --> 03:04:53,393
is that true or is that

4232
03:04:53,393 --> 03:04:54,394
in regard to the office space?

4233
03:04:54,394 --> 03:04:55,395
>>

4234
03:04:55,395 --> 03:04:57,395
we are

4235
03:04:58,398 --> 03:04:59,399
seeing it at a general level and in

4236
03:04:59,399 --> 03:05:01,401
the more residential level there is

4237
03:05:01,401 --> 03:05:04,371
a higher percentage of tree

4238
03:05:04,371 --> 03:05:06,371
canopies.

4239
03:05:22,389 --> 03:05:24,789
where is the other

4240
03:05:25,392 --> 03:05:27,392
15%?

4241
03:05:31,398 --> 03:05:33,398
there could be

4242
03:05:34,401 --> 03:05:36,401
other parcels in

4243
03:05:37,371 --> 03:05:39,771
the county coded as

4244
03:05:43,377 --> 03:05:44,378
agriculture.

4245
03:05:44,378 --> 03:05:46,378
>> you know

4246
03:05:46,380 --> 03:05:48,380
one of them.

4247
03:05:59,359 --> 03:06:04,159
I am sure that there are others too.

4248
03:06:10,404 --> 03:06:12,404
>> the last

4249
03:06:13,373 --> 03:06:15,773
takeaway is around complete

4250
03:06:16,376 --> 03:06:18,376
communities. This envisions

4251
03:06:18,378 --> 03:06:19,379
communities to have a vibrant mix

4252
03:06:19,379 --> 03:06:21,379
of

4253
03:06:22,382 --> 03:06:24,382
housing types

4254
03:06:25,385 --> 03:06:27,385
and employment.

4255
03:06:31,391 --> 03:06:33,391
this concept reappeared

4256
03:06:34,394 --> 03:06:37,397
as a theme when examining land

4257
03:06:37,397 --> 03:06:39,397
use and

4258
03:06:40,400 --> 03:06:42,400
community facilities.

4259
03:06:46,373 --> 03:06:49,376
the map on the left is north

4260
03:06:49,376 --> 03:06:51,376
bethesda with

4261
03:06:52,379 --> 03:06:53,380
many services spread out across the

4262
03:06:53,380 --> 03:06:55,380
area.

4263
03:06:55,382 --> 03:06:57,384
the other is connecticut, a

4264
03:06:57,384 --> 03:06:58,385
lower density area and fewer of the

4265
03:06:58,385 --> 03:07:01,385
services here are available. Therefore

4266
03:07:01,388 --> 03:07:04,388
it is important to note

4267
03:07:04,391 --> 03:07:05,392
a complete community must be adjusted

4268
03:07:05,392 --> 03:07:06,393
based

4269
03:07:06,393 --> 03:07:07,394
on factors including location and

4270
03:07:07,394 --> 03:07:09,394
development

4271
03:07:10,397 --> 03:07:13,400
density. Now I will pass it to james to

4272
03:07:13,400 --> 03:07:16,400
go through the people findings.

4273
03:07:19,373 --> 03:07:22,373
>> now we will discuss key

4274
03:07:22,376 --> 03:07:24,376
finding findings

4275
03:07:25,379 --> 03:07:26,380
under the people theme. We will focus

4276
03:07:26,380 --> 03:07:28,380
on

4277
03:07:28,382 --> 03:07:29,383
age, racial diversity, english usage

4278
03:07:29,383 --> 03:07:31,383
and

4279
03:07:31,385 --> 03:07:33,785
ability, education and income.

4280
03:07:34,388 --> 03:07:36,788
we analyzed changes from 2010

4281
03:07:37,391 --> 03:07:39,391
to 2016.

4282
03:07:40,394 --> 03:07:42,394
these characteristics are

4283
03:07:43,397 --> 03:07:45,397
commonly analyzed and

4284
03:07:49,403 --> 03:07:51,403
compared in our

4285
03:07:52,372 --> 03:07:54,372
master planning work

4286
03:07:54,374 --> 03:07:55,375
we look at the pieces of information

4287
03:07:55,375 --> 03:07:57,775
to see who lives

4288
03:07:58,378 --> 03:08:00,378
in the plan

4289
03:08:01,381 --> 03:08:03,381
area.

4290
03:08:08,388 --> 03:08:11,391
I will walk through some of the

4291
03:08:11,391 --> 03:08:13,391
major findings.

4292
03:08:17,397 --> 03:08:19,397
montgomery count

4293
03:08:20,400 --> 03:08:23,400
I increased by 12% from 2010 to

4294
03:08:23,403 --> 03:08:25,403
2022.

4295
03:08:26,373 --> 03:08:29,373
that was for a gain

4296
03:08:29,376 --> 03:08:31,376
of 110

4297
03:08:32,379 --> 03:08:34,379
residents.

4298
03:08:42,389 --> 03:08:44,391
these have the largest population

4299
03:08:44,391 --> 03:08:46,391
growth and are

4300
03:08:47,394 --> 03:08:50,394
among the top ten in

4301
03:08:50,397 --> 03:08:52,397
percentage growth.

4302
03:08:56,403 --> 03:08:58,403
they gained about

4303
03:08:59,373 --> 03:09:01,373
52% of the

4304
03:09:02,376 --> 03:09:03,377
county's growth.

4305
03:09:03,377 --> 03:09:05,379
clarksburg experienced the greatest

4306
03:09:05,379 --> 03:09:07,379
population growth.

4307
03:09:08,382 --> 03:09:10,382
18,000 people or

4308
03:09:11,385 --> 03:09:13,385
137% increase.

4309
03:09:29,403 --> 03:09:31,371
particularly outside

4310
03:09:31,371 --> 03:09:32,372
of places here where population growth has

4311
03:09:32,372 --> 03:09:34,372
been concentrated.

4312
03:09:38,378 --> 03:09:40,378
let's look

4313
03:09:41,381 --> 03:09:44,384
at the information by age group.

4314
03:09:44,384 --> 03:09:47,384
the county's population has continued

4315
03:09:47,387 --> 03:09:49,787
to trend older. The

4316
03:09:50,390 --> 03:09:52,790
county's population in the 65

4317
03:09:53,393 --> 03:09:56,393
and older group increased by

4318
03:09:56,396 --> 03:09:58,396
55%.

4319
03:09:58,398 --> 03:09:59,399
conversely young populations grew

4320
03:09:59,399 --> 03:10:01,399
at a

4321
03:10:02,402 --> 03:10:03,403
much slower rate. County-wide, the

4322
03:10:03,403 --> 03:10:05,372
young

4323
03:10:05,372 --> 03:10:07,372
adult population 18 to 34

4324
03:10:08,375 --> 03:10:11,378
grew by by adding more than

4325
03:10:11,378 --> 03:10:13,378
15,000 residents.

4326
03:10:20,387 --> 03:10:23,390
if you look at the graph where

4327
03:10:23,390 --> 03:10:25,790
we have zero to

4328
03:10:26,393 --> 03:10:28,393
four year s

4329
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:34,799
s that population was

4330
03:10:35,402 --> 03:10:38,372
growing while the under age

4331
03:10:38,372 --> 03:10:40,772
5 and under climbed to

4332
03:10:41,375 --> 03:10:43,375
2%.

4333
03:10:47,381 --> 03:10:49,781
older adults made up

4334
03:10:50,384 --> 03:10:53,387
an increasing share of the population

4335
03:10:53,387 --> 03:10:55,387
county-wide.

4336
03:10:56,390 --> 03:10:58,390
growing from 12% to

4337
03:10:59,393 --> 03:11:01,393
16% of

4338
03:11:02,396 --> 03:11:04,396
all residents.

4339
03:11:05,399 --> 03:11:07,399
here we see

4340
03:11:07,401 --> 03:11:08,402
seven communities where the residents

4341
03:11:08,402 --> 03:11:10,402
65

4342
03:11:11,371 --> 03:11:13,371
and older

4343
03:11:14,374 --> 03:11:16,374
doubled.

4344
03:11:26,386 --> 03:11:28,786
>> this means people have

4345
03:11:29,389 --> 03:11:30,390
aged.

4346
03:11:30,390 --> 03:11:32,392
>> it could be people

4347
03:11:32,392 --> 03:11:34,392
aging in

4348
03:11:35,395 --> 03:11:38,395
place. It could be older

4349
03:11:38,398 --> 03:11:41,398
folks moving in. We do

4350
03:11:41,401 --> 03:11:43,401
not have the

4351
03:11:44,371 --> 03:11:46,371
information

4352
03:11:53,380 --> 03:11:54,381
.

4353
03:11:54,381 --> 03:11:56,381
>>

4354
03:11:56,383 --> 03:11:58,383
it is only 12

4355
03:11:59,386 --> 03:12:01,388
years. You are experiencing

4356
03:12:01,388 --> 03:12:02,389
a percentage increase in the amount

4357
03:12:02,389 --> 03:12:04,389
of age.

4358
03:12:05,392 --> 03:12:08,392
that indicates an influx of

4359
03:12:08,395 --> 03:12:10,795
older aged population pushing

4360
03:12:11,398 --> 03:12:12,399
up. There has to be some aging in

4361
03:12:12,399 --> 03:12:13,400
place but

4362
03:12:13,400 --> 03:12:14,401
that indicates to me it is coming

4363
03:12:14,401 --> 03:12:16,401
from an

4364
03:12:17,404 --> 03:12:20,374
older population than we were previously

4365
03:12:20,374 --> 03:12:21,375
getting. Going back to slide 22, the

4366
03:12:21,375 --> 03:12:23,375
best explanation

4367
03:12:23,377 --> 03:12:25,379
for that slide is young families cannot

4368
03:12:25,379 --> 03:12:26,380
afford toto live here information.

4369
03:12:26,380 --> 03:12:28,780
if we keep going

4370
03:12:29,383 --> 03:12:32,386
the way that we are going we are

4371
03:12:32,386 --> 03:12:33,387
not going to have young families the

4372
03:12:33,387 --> 03:12:35,387
way that

4373
03:12:35,389 --> 03:12:38,358
we used to. I couldn't afford to

4374
03:12:38,358 --> 03:12:40,358
live here now.

4375
03:12:50,404 --> 03:12:54,374
>> it is when the start of the

4376
03:12:54,374 --> 03:12:56,376
baby boomer generation moved

4377
03:12:56,376 --> 03:12:57,377
into the 65 plus age group.

4378
03:12:57,377 --> 03:12:58,378
>> yes.

4379
03:12:58,378 --> 03:13:00,378
that

4380
03:13:00,380 --> 03:13:03,380
is what I was going

4381
03:13:03,383 --> 03:13:05,383
to say.

4382
03:13:12,392 --> 03:13:13,393
people are

4383
03:13:13,393 --> 03:13:16,993
having less children. That is what

4384
03:13:18,398 --> 03:13:20,398
it seems.

4385
03:13:21,401 --> 03:13:24,401
>> because it is expensive to

4386
03:13:24,404 --> 03:13:26,404
have them.

4387
03:13:30,377 --> 03:13:32,377
the best

4388
03:13:32,379 --> 03:13:33,380
and most consistent explanation is

4389
03:13:33,380 --> 03:13:35,380
it is really

4390
03:13:36,383 --> 03:13:38,783
expensive and younger families

4391
03:13:39,386 --> 03:13:41,386
can't afford it.

4392
03:13:45,392 --> 03:13:47,394
the cost of day care is more than

4393
03:13:47,394 --> 03:13:51,398
my mortgage. The cost of my mortgage

4394
03:13:51,398 --> 03:13:53,398
is insane.

4395
03:13:56,403 --> 03:14:00,374
we can try to explain it allall want.

4396
03:14:00,374 --> 03:14:02,374
it is cost.

4397
03:14:02,376 --> 03:14:03,377
you are drawing the conclusion. They

4398
03:14:03,377 --> 03:14:05,379
are sitting here to

4399
03:14:05,379 --> 03:14:06,380
tell us.

4400
03:14:06,380 --> 03:14:07,381
>> we will talk about children

4401
03:14:07,381 --> 03:14:09,381
here in

4402
03:14:09,383 --> 03:14:11,383
a little bit.

4403
03:14:15,389 --> 03:14:18,392
let me wrap up the portion about

4404
03:14:18,392 --> 03:14:20,392
aging. Looking at

4405
03:14:20,394 --> 03:14:23,994
how communities are aging, only two

4406
03:14:24,398 --> 03:14:26,398
ctas had more

4407
03:14:27,401 --> 03:14:29,401
than 20%

4408
03:14:30,404 --> 03:14:32,404
of

4409
03:14:33,373 --> 03:14:36,376
residents 65 and older. On the right by

4410
03:14:36,376 --> 03:14:38,376
2022 the number of

4411
03:14:39,379 --> 03:14:41,779
communities with more than

4412
03:14:42,382 --> 03:14:44,384
20% of residents included to

4413
03:14:44,384 --> 03:14:45,385
seven. These are in different parts

4414
03:14:45,385 --> 03:14:47,387
of the county from

4415
03:14:47,387 --> 03:14:51,391
a couple of communities in the north

4416
03:14:51,391 --> 03:14:54,394
to others further south such as

4417
03:14:54,394 --> 03:14:56,396
potomac. Given the trend of an

4418
03:14:56,396 --> 03:14:57,397
aging population and across many communities

4419
03:14:57,397 --> 03:14:59,397
this

4420
03:15:00,400 --> 03:15:02,400
indicates a

4421
03:15:03,403 --> 03:15:05,403
potentially growing demand.

4422
03:15:06,373 --> 03:15:07,374
certain services, infrastructure,

4423
03:15:07,374 --> 03:15:09,376
housing. You can see it from the map

4424
03:15:09,376 --> 03:15:11,378
on the right, some

4425
03:15:11,378 --> 03:15:12,379
of the communities with the larger

4426
03:15:12,379 --> 03:15:14,379
concentrations of

4427
03:15:15,382 --> 03:15:18,385
the older adult population are in

4428
03:15:18,385 --> 03:15:20,785
more remote parts of

4429
03:15:21,388 --> 03:15:22,389
the

4430
03:15:22,389 --> 03:15:24,391
county lacking important facilities

4431
03:15:24,391 --> 03:15:26,391
and other health

4432
03:15:27,394 --> 03:15:29,394
care facilities.

4433
03:15:29,396 --> 03:15:30,397
it may take an additional effort to

4434
03:15:30,397 --> 03:15:32,397
support

4435
03:15:33,400 --> 03:15:35,400
the older

4436
03:15:36,403 --> 03:15:39,373
adult population. We will get to

4437
03:15:39,373 --> 03:15:42,376
children. We are working through through

4438
03:15:42,376 --> 03:15:44,376
age groups. Communities

4439
03:15:44,378 --> 03:15:45,379
have a wide variation in the amount

4440
03:15:45,379 --> 03:15:47,379
of

4441
03:15:47,381 --> 03:15:48,382
changes their young adult population

4442
03:15:48,382 --> 03:15:50,382
of

4443
03:15:50,384 --> 03:15:51,385
the 18-34. Three communities with

4444
03:15:51,385 --> 03:15:53,385
the

4445
03:15:54,388 --> 03:15:57,391
highest and the lowest change in absolute

4446
03:15:57,391 --> 03:16:02,191
terms. On the left side of the chart

4447
03:16:03,397 --> 03:16:05,397
silver

4448
03:16:06,366 --> 03:16:08,366
springs, rockville.

4449
03:16:21,381 --> 03:16:23,381
they are sizeable

4450
03:16:24,384 --> 03:16:26,384
numbers.

4451
03:16:33,393 --> 03:16:35,393
tacoma park, germantown

4452
03:16:36,396 --> 03:16:38,396
and east

4453
03:16:39,399 --> 03:16:41,399
silver spring.

4454
03:16:42,402 --> 03:16:44,402
the

4455
03:16:45,372 --> 03:16:47,772
working population is a

4456
03:16:48,375 --> 03:16:50,775
critical part of the

4457
03:16:51,378 --> 03:16:53,378
county's workforce.

4458
03:16:54,381 --> 03:16:56,381
we see a

4459
03:16:57,384 --> 03:16:59,784
slowly growing young young

4460
03:17:00,387 --> 03:17:02,387
population.

4461
03:17:06,393 --> 03:17:09,363
it could really present aa for

4462
03:17:09,363 --> 03:17:11,363
the labor market.

4463
03:17:21,375 --> 03:17:23,375
from 2010 to

4464
03:17:24,378 --> 03:17:26,778
2022 the number of households

4465
03:17:27,381 --> 03:17:29,381
in the

4466
03:17:30,384 --> 03:17:32,384
county

4467
03:17:33,387 --> 03:17:35,387
overall grew.

4468
03:17:36,390 --> 03:17:38,390
the

4469
03:17:39,393 --> 03:17:41,395
this trend contrasts with the higher

4470
03:17:41,395 --> 03:17:42,396
growth rates of other household types that you see on

4471
03:17:42,396 --> 03:17:44,396
the graph.

4472
03:17:51,405 --> 03:17:53,805
with the rate of

4473
03:17:54,374 --> 03:17:56,774
households with children declined

4474
03:17:57,377 --> 03:17:59,377
from 34% to

4475
03:18:00,380 --> 03:18:02,380
32% from 2010

4476
03:18:03,383 --> 03:18:05,385
to 2022 here we show the three

4477
03:18:05,385 --> 03:18:06,386
communities with the largest shifts

4478
03:18:06,386 --> 03:18:08,388
in the percentage of

4479
03:18:08,388 --> 03:18:09,389
households with children in the upward

4480
03:18:09,389 --> 03:18:11,389
and the downward

4481
03:18:11,391 --> 03:18:13,393
directions. Many communities had a

4482
03:18:13,393 --> 03:18:15,393
declining percentages

4483
03:18:15,395 --> 03:18:16,396
of households with children on the right-

4484
03:18:16,396 --> 03:18:18,396
hand side

4485
03:18:19,399 --> 03:18:22,399
due to weak growth or

4486
03:18:22,402 --> 03:18:24,402
declines in the

4487
03:18:25,372 --> 03:18:27,372
children population.

4488
03:18:34,381 --> 03:18:36,781
you look on the

4489
03:18:37,384 --> 03:18:40,387
left side of the chart, we

4490
03:18:40,387 --> 03:18:42,387
have three community

4491
03:18:43,390 --> 03:18:45,390
s

4492
03:18:47,394 --> 03:18:49,396
ies this is due to stronger growth

4493
03:18:49,396 --> 03:18:51,396
in the children

4494
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:54,799
population relative to the

4495
03:18:55,402 --> 03:18:57,402
children population itself.

4496
03:18:58,372 --> 03:19:00,372
given the trends

4497
03:19:01,375 --> 03:19:03,375
that we see

4498
03:19:04,378 --> 03:19:06,378
here it points

4499
03:19:07,381 --> 03:19:10,384
to a lower potential command for

4500
03:19:10,384 --> 03:19:12,384
facilities like schools

4501
03:19:13,387 --> 03:19:15,387
and other

4502
03:19:16,390 --> 03:19:18,790
s and more long-

4503
03:19:19,393 --> 03:19:21,393
term concerns.

4504
03:19:22,396 --> 03:19:24,396
I am still

4505
03:19:25,399 --> 03:19:27,399
focused on

4506
03:19:28,402 --> 03:19:30,402
households.

4507
03:19:34,374 --> 03:19:36,774
higher percentages of families

4508
03:19:37,377 --> 03:19:40,377
with children are spread across

4509
03:19:40,380 --> 03:19:42,380
the county.

4510
03:19:46,386 --> 03:19:48,386
clarksburg

4511
03:19:49,389 --> 03:19:51,389
in the north

4512
03:19:52,392 --> 03:19:54,392
to further south.

4513
03:19:55,395 --> 03:19:57,395
on

4514
03:19:58,398 --> 03:20:00,798
the right there are

4515
03:20:01,401 --> 03:20:03,403
11cta ben orr single

4516
03:20:03,403 --> 03:20:05,803
person households. Clustered along

4517
03:20:07,374 --> 03:20:09,774
our urbanized corridors. Up

4518
03:20:10,377 --> 03:20:12,377
I-270, u.s.

4519
03:20:13,380 --> 03:20:15,380
29 and metro

4520
03:20:16,383 --> 03:20:18,383
red line.

4521
03:20:19,386 --> 03:20:21,786
including all of the

4522
03:20:22,389 --> 03:20:25,389
burdens that border dc like

4523
03:20:25,392 --> 03:20:27,392
chevy chase and

4524
03:20:28,395 --> 03:20:30,395
silver springs.

4525
03:20:31,398 --> 03:20:33,398
the county has

4526
03:20:34,401 --> 03:20:36,403
growing racial diversity. After

4527
03:20:36,403 --> 03:20:37,404
2010 montgomery county's population

4528
03:20:37,404 --> 03:20:39,404
became a

4529
03:20:40,374 --> 03:20:42,374
majority of people

4530
03:20:43,377 --> 03:20:45,377
with color.

4531
03:20:51,385 --> 03:20:52,386
they experienced significant growth

4532
03:20:52,386 --> 03:20:54,386
with the exception

4533
03:20:55,389 --> 03:20:58,389
of the population which declined

4534
03:20:58,392 --> 03:21:00,392
by 9%.

4535
03:21:04,398 --> 03:21:06,398
the hispanic

4536
03:21:07,401 --> 03:21:09,401
population had the

4537
03:21:10,404 --> 03:21:12,404
largest gain with

4538
03:21:13,373 --> 03:21:15,373
60,000 residents.

4539
03:21:16,376 --> 03:21:19,379
it was more than triple the

4540
03:21:19,379 --> 03:21:21,379
growth rate.

4541
03:21:25,385 --> 03:21:28,385
the large bar on the

4542
03:21:28,388 --> 03:21:30,388
right

4543
03:21:31,391 --> 03:21:34,391
includes people with the highest

4544
03:21:34,394 --> 03:21:36,394
increase of

4545
03:21:37,397 --> 03:21:39,397
108%. The

4546
03:21:40,400 --> 03:21:43,403
growth in this group started at

4547
03:21:43,403 --> 03:21:45,803
smaller numbers than the

4548
03:21:46,373 --> 03:21:48,373
other groups.

4549
03:21:58,385 --> 03:22:00,385
in

4550
03:22:01,388 --> 03:22:03,388
201018 communities had a

4551
03:22:04,391 --> 03:22:07,391
population with the majority of

4552
03:22:07,394 --> 03:22:08,395
people in color. It increased to 22

4553
03:22:08,395 --> 03:22:10,364
by

4554
03:22:10,364 --> 03:22:12,364
2022.

4555
03:22:25,379 --> 03:22:27,379
however communities

4556
03:22:28,382 --> 03:22:30,384
vary widely in their racial composition.

4557
03:22:30,384 --> 03:22:31,385
this shows the top three communities

4558
03:22:31,385 --> 03:22:33,385
in terms of

4559
03:22:34,388 --> 03:22:36,388
the percentage

4560
03:22:37,391 --> 03:22:39,791
of each major racial

4561
03:22:40,394 --> 03:22:42,794
or ethnic group in

4562
03:22:43,397 --> 03:22:46,397
2022. We see the communities with

4563
03:22:46,400 --> 03:22:48,400
the

4564
03:22:49,403 --> 03:22:52,372
highest percentages of black residents.

4565
03:22:52,372 --> 03:22:54,372
the highest percentage

4566
03:22:55,375 --> 03:22:57,375
of asian

4567
03:22:58,378 --> 03:22:59,379
residents. In the middle of the county

4568
03:22:59,379 --> 03:23:01,379
we see

4569
03:23:01,381 --> 03:23:03,383
the highest percentages of

4570
03:23:03,383 --> 03:23:04,384
hispanic residents, the ones in blue.

4571
03:23:04,384 --> 03:23:06,384
connecticut, there

4572
03:23:07,387 --> 03:23:09,387
are no

4573
03:23:10,390 --> 03:23:12,390
crossroads and glen

4574
03:23:20,400 --> 03:23:22,400
mont. So, given

4575
03:23:22,402 --> 03:23:23,403
the increasing racial diversity across

4576
03:23:23,403 --> 03:23:25,403
the

4577
03:23:26,373 --> 03:23:28,375
county in many of the

4578
03:23:28,375 --> 03:23:30,377
communities, this trend really indicates

4579
03:23:30,377 --> 03:23:32,379
a growing demand for specific services

4580
03:23:32,379 --> 03:23:34,379
that

4581
03:23:35,382 --> 03:23:36,383
may need to be culturally

4582
03:23:36,383 --> 03:23:38,383
sensitive, geographically concentrated

4583
03:23:38,385 --> 03:23:40,385
and tailored to

4584
03:23:41,388 --> 03:23:43,788
the needs of certain

4585
03:23:44,391 --> 03:23:46,391
groups.

4586
03:23:49,396 --> 03:23:51,796
making sure different populations

4587
03:23:53,400 --> 03:23:56,400
do not face significant barriers

4588
03:23:56,403 --> 03:23:59,373
to accessing the facilities and

4589
03:23:59,373 --> 03:24:01,373
amenities. Now to

4590
03:24:02,376 --> 03:24:04,376
the topic

4591
03:24:05,379 --> 03:24:06,380
of

4592
03:24:06,380 --> 03:24:08,382
english language usage and ability.

4593
03:24:08,382 --> 03:24:10,382
this is related

4594
03:24:10,384 --> 03:24:11,385
to the growing diversity here in the

4595
03:24:11,385 --> 03:24:13,385
county.

4596
03:24:14,388 --> 03:24:16,388
montgomery county gainedgained

4597
03:24:17,391 --> 03:24:19,393
residents who speak a nonenglish

4598
03:24:19,393 --> 03:24:20,394
language at home with 26% increase

4599
03:24:20,394 --> 03:24:22,394
from 2010

4600
03:24:23,397 --> 03:24:25,397
to

4601
03:24:25,399 --> 03:24:27,799
2022. More people reported speaking

4602
03:24:28,402 --> 03:24:29,403
english, less than very well. Closely

4603
03:24:29,403 --> 03:24:31,403
matching the

4604
03:24:32,372 --> 03:24:34,372
12% in the

4605
03:24:35,375 --> 03:24:37,375
total population.

4606
03:24:44,384 --> 03:24:46,384
with the

4607
03:24:46,386 --> 03:24:47,387
residents speaking a nonenglish language

4608
03:24:47,387 --> 03:24:49,387
at

4609
03:24:50,390 --> 03:24:52,790
home, it increased to

4610
03:24:53,393 --> 03:24:55,393
38% to 42% from 2010 to 222.

4611
03:24:56,396 --> 03:24:57,397
as I mentioned it before,

4612
03:24:57,397 --> 03:24:59,399
growing racial diversity is related

4613
03:24:59,399 --> 03:25:01,399
to the

4614
03:25:01,401 --> 03:25:02,402
growing number of residents speaking

4615
03:25:02,402 --> 03:25:04,402
a nonenglish

4616
03:25:04,404 --> 03:25:05,372
language at home, and the growth can

4617
03:25:05,372 --> 03:25:08,372
be seen at the community

4618
03:25:08,375 --> 03:25:11,378
level. On the map on the left

4619
03:25:11,378 --> 03:25:13,378
in

4620
03:25:14,381 --> 03:25:16,381
2010, only

4621
03:25:16,383 --> 03:25:17,384
three communities were the majority

4622
03:25:17,384 --> 03:25:18,385
of residents

4623
03:25:18,385 --> 03:25:20,387
speaking a nonenglish language at

4624
03:25:20,387 --> 03:25:22,387
home.

4625
03:25:23,390 --> 03:25:25,390
connecticut, crossroads, glenmont

4626
03:25:25,392 --> 03:25:26,393
and silver spring. By 2022, the map

4627
03:25:26,393 --> 03:25:28,393
on the

4628
03:25:29,396 --> 03:25:31,396
right has grown

4629
03:25:32,399 --> 03:25:34,399
to 90.

4630
03:25:36,403 --> 03:25:38,405
notably some of the communities are

4631
03:25:38,405 --> 03:25:40,805
the same ones with

4632
03:25:41,375 --> 03:25:42,376
the highest percentages of hispanic

4633
03:25:42,376 --> 03:25:43,377
or

4634
03:25:43,377 --> 03:25:49,977
black residents as seen in the map from two slides ago.

4635
03:25:56,390 --> 03:25:59,390
to education and income, there

4636
03:25:59,393 --> 03:26:02,396
is a clear relationship between these

4637
03:26:02,396 --> 03:26:05,396
two indicators which the maps

4638
03:26:05,399 --> 03:26:07,401
show. Specifically we can see a

4639
03:26:07,401 --> 03:26:08,402
highly educated population correlates

4640
03:26:08,402 --> 03:26:10,402
with higher incomes.

4641
03:26:11,405 --> 03:26:13,405
on the left,

4642
03:26:14,374 --> 03:26:15,375
six communities clustered have the

4643
03:26:15,375 --> 03:26:16,376
highest

4644
03:26:16,376 --> 03:26:17,377
educational attainment levels in 2022.

4645
03:26:17,377 --> 03:26:19,377
in all of

4646
03:26:20,380 --> 03:26:23,380
these more than 75% of adults

4647
03:26:23,383 --> 03:26:26,386
ages 25 and over had at least a bachelor's

4648
03:26:26,386 --> 03:26:28,786
degree. They had a

4649
03:26:29,389 --> 03:26:32,389
bachelor's degree or they may

4650
03:26:32,392 --> 03:26:35,395
have had a graduate or a

4651
03:26:35,395 --> 03:26:37,395
professional degree.

4652
03:26:41,401 --> 03:26:42,402
it is well above the county wide number

4653
03:26:42,402 --> 03:26:44,402
for

4654
03:26:44,404 --> 03:26:46,404
more than

4655
03:26:47,374 --> 03:26:49,374
60%. The

4656
03:26:50,377 --> 03:26:51,378
map on the right, the same set of

4657
03:26:51,378 --> 03:26:53,378
communities

4658
03:26:53,380 --> 03:26:55,380
have the highest

4659
03:26:56,383 --> 03:26:58,783
average household incomes in

4660
03:26:59,386 --> 03:27:00,387
2022. All of these communities in

4661
03:27:00,387 --> 03:27:02,387
the southwest

4662
03:27:02,389 --> 03:27:04,389
part of the

4663
03:27:05,392 --> 03:27:07,392
county,

4664
03:27:08,395 --> 03:27:10,395
potomac,

4665
03:27:14,401 --> 03:27:15,402
last slide in the people section.

4666
03:27:15,402 --> 03:27:16,403
meanwhile,

4667
03:27:16,403 --> 03:27:17,404
if we look at the communities with

4668
03:27:17,404 --> 03:27:19,373
the lowest

4669
03:27:19,373 --> 03:27:20,374
educational attainment and income

4670
03:27:20,374 --> 03:27:22,376
levels there is a

4671
03:27:22,376 --> 03:27:23,377
similar correlation between the two

4672
03:27:23,377 --> 03:27:25,377
indicators. On the

4673
03:27:25,379 --> 03:27:26,380
left, nine communities scattered across

4674
03:27:26,380 --> 03:27:28,380
the county had

4675
03:27:29,383 --> 03:27:32,386
less than 50% of adults 25 and over

4676
03:27:32,386 --> 03:27:33,387
with at least a bachelor's degree

4677
03:27:33,387 --> 03:27:35,387
in

4678
03:27:35,389 --> 03:27:37,389
2022. Six

4679
03:27:38,392 --> 03:27:39,393
of those community ies appear on the

4680
03:27:39,393 --> 03:27:41,393
map on

4681
03:27:41,395 --> 03:27:42,396
the right. That shows the eight communities

4682
03:27:42,396 --> 03:27:44,396
with

4683
03:27:44,398 --> 03:27:45,399
the lowest average household income

4684
03:27:45,399 --> 03:27:47,399
in

4685
03:27:47,401 --> 03:27:49,401
2022, all below

4686
03:27:50,404 --> 03:27:52,404
$125,000.

4687
03:27:53,373 --> 03:27:55,373
despite

4688
03:27:56,376 --> 03:27:58,376
lower incomes, all

4689
03:27:58,378 --> 03:27:59,379
have noteworthy educational attainment

4690
03:27:59,379 --> 03:28:01,379
levels. East silver

4691
03:28:02,382 --> 03:28:03,383
spring, flower hill and montgomery

4692
03:28:03,383 --> 03:28:05,383
village, about

4693
03:28:05,385 --> 03:28:08,388
40% of the adults ages 25 and over

4694
03:28:08,388 --> 03:28:11,391
had at least a bachelor's degree.

4695
03:28:11,391 --> 03:28:14,391
that exceeds the national raterate

4696
03:28:14,394 --> 03:28:16,394
34%.

4697
03:28:17,397 --> 03:28:20,400
given the wide range, many of

4698
03:28:20,400 --> 03:28:21,401
the communities would benefit from having

4699
03:28:21,401 --> 03:28:22,402
more

4700
03:28:22,402 --> 03:28:24,404
opportunities for higher education

4701
03:28:24,404 --> 03:28:25,372
that can help

4702
03:28:25,372 --> 03:28:28,372
residents find higher paying jobs

4703
03:28:29,376 --> 03:28:30,377
and locating educational and training

4704
03:28:30,377 --> 03:28:32,377
facilities within

4705
03:28:33,380 --> 03:28:35,380
less economically

4706
03:28:36,383 --> 03:28:38,383
advantaged communities.

4707
03:28:39,386 --> 03:28:40,387
that would allow

4708
03:28:40,387 --> 03:28:42,389
residents access to higher education.

4709
03:28:42,389 --> 03:28:44,389
now, I will

4710
03:28:44,391 --> 03:28:45,392
hand it off for the key findings on the housing

4711
03:28:45,392 --> 03:28:47,392
section.

4712
03:28:48,395 --> 03:28:50,395
>> james,

4713
03:28:50,397 --> 03:28:51,398
this is our last key findings bucket

4714
03:28:51,398 --> 03:28:53,398
with

4715
03:28:53,400 --> 03:28:54,401
housing. As a reminder for the topic

4716
03:28:54,401 --> 03:28:56,401
we looked

4717
03:28:56,403 --> 03:29:00,300
at data on housing stocks, housing

4718
03:29:00,374 --> 03:29:02,376
typology and age, ownership

4719
03:29:02,376 --> 03:29:05,379
age, housing value cost and cost burden.

4720
03:29:05,379 --> 03:29:08,979
similar to the people indicators we

4721
03:29:09,383 --> 03:29:10,384
analyzed

4722
03:29:10,384 --> 03:29:12,386
temporal changes from 2010 to 2016

4723
03:29:12,386 --> 03:29:14,386
to 2022.

4724
03:29:15,389 --> 03:29:17,389
most of the

4725
03:29:18,392 --> 03:29:20,792
indicators are from the

4726
03:29:21,395 --> 03:29:23,395
five-year estimate.

4727
03:29:24,398 --> 03:29:27,398
I will follow a similar

4728
03:29:27,401 --> 03:29:28,402
structure of providing county-

4729
03:29:28,402 --> 03:29:30,404
level information and then diving

4730
03:29:30,404 --> 03:29:32,372
into cta level data.

4731
03:29:32,372 --> 03:29:33,373
housing growth for the county over

4732
03:29:33,373 --> 03:29:35,373
the past

4733
03:29:35,375 --> 03:29:36,376
several decades it is evident the

4734
03:29:36,376 --> 03:29:38,376
county

4735
03:29:38,378 --> 03:29:42,382
is seeing more multi family than single

4736
03:29:42,382 --> 03:29:44,382
family housing growth.

4737
03:29:45,385 --> 03:29:47,385
construction peaked

4738
03:29:48,388 --> 03:29:50,390
in the 1980s. Since

4739
03:29:50,390 --> 03:29:51,391
2010, 12% of the existing housing

4740
03:29:51,391 --> 03:29:53,391
stock, a

4741
03:29:54,394 --> 03:29:56,394
little more

4742
03:29:56,396 --> 03:29:57,397
than 47,000 units have been built.

4743
03:29:57,397 --> 03:29:59,397
of

4744
03:30:00,400 --> 03:30:02,800
the units built after 2010,

4745
03:30:03,403 --> 03:30:05,403
61% in multi family

4746
03:30:06,373 --> 03:30:08,375
and 29% as single family

4747
03:30:08,375 --> 03:30:11,375
detached homes. Most built recently

4748
03:30:12,379 --> 03:30:14,381
are larger high rise rather than

4749
03:30:14,381 --> 03:30:15,382
smaller garden style buildings. Speaks

4750
03:30:15,382 --> 03:30:17,382
to

4751
03:30:17,384 --> 03:30:18,385
a policy indication around the need

4752
03:30:18,385 --> 03:30:20,385
for diverse

4753
03:30:20,387 --> 03:30:21,388
housing units to help people remain

4754
03:30:21,388 --> 03:30:23,788
in the communities as

4755
03:30:24,391 --> 03:30:26,791
their housing needs change.

4756
03:30:30,397 --> 03:30:32,397
we can look

4757
03:30:33,400 --> 03:30:35,800
at the average age

4758
03:30:36,403 --> 03:30:38,403
of

4759
03:30:38,405 --> 03:30:39,373
housing type. Townhouses and multi

4760
03:30:39,373 --> 03:30:41,373
family

4761
03:30:41,375 --> 03:30:42,376
units are younger with average ages

4762
03:30:42,376 --> 03:30:44,376
of 35 to

4763
03:30:45,379 --> 03:30:47,381
37 respectively. The map shows

4764
03:30:47,381 --> 03:30:48,382
the pattern of housing development

4765
03:30:48,382 --> 03:30:50,382
in the county.

4766
03:30:51,385 --> 03:30:53,385
tacoma

4767
03:30:54,388 --> 03:30:56,788
park, silver spring, kensington

4768
03:30:57,391 --> 03:31:00,394
as showed on the map have the oldest

4769
03:31:00,394 --> 03:31:02,396
housing units and the lighter

4770
03:31:02,396 --> 03:31:05,399
shade found in great seneca and clarksburg.

4771
03:31:05,399 --> 03:31:06,366
they have seen most of the growth since

4772
03:31:06,366 --> 03:31:08,366
2010.

4773
03:31:18,378 --> 03:31:21,378
these maps show where thethe

4774
03:31:21,381 --> 03:31:22,382
housing has grown. Clarksburg had

4775
03:31:22,382 --> 03:31:23,383
the most

4776
03:31:23,383 --> 03:31:24,384
single family and overall growth since

4777
03:31:24,384 --> 03:31:26,384
2010 with

4778
03:31:27,387 --> 03:31:29,387
a total of 5,500

4779
03:31:29,389 --> 03:31:30,390
single family units accounting for

4780
03:31:30,390 --> 03:31:32,390
88% of

4781
03:31:33,393 --> 03:31:35,393
the housing production

4782
03:31:36,396 --> 03:31:38,396
during this time.

4783
03:31:45,405 --> 03:31:47,405
as the

4784
03:31:48,375 --> 03:31:50,375
housing stock

4785
03:31:51,378 --> 03:31:53,378
expanded homeownership ates

4786
03:31:54,381 --> 03:31:56,381
remain an important

4787
03:31:57,384 --> 03:32:00,387
issue. A change that can be

4788
03:32:00,387 --> 03:32:02,787
explained by multi family

4789
03:32:03,390 --> 03:32:05,390
development.

4790
03:32:06,393 --> 03:32:08,793
in accordance with the

4791
03:32:09,396 --> 03:32:11,796
trend renter occupied households

4792
03:32:12,399 --> 03:32:14,399
increased from 24%

4793
03:32:15,402 --> 03:32:17,402
to

4794
03:32:18,405 --> 03:32:20,405
31% in 2022.

4795
03:32:21,375 --> 03:32:24,375
in 2010 there were only three

4796
03:32:24,378 --> 03:32:26,378
ctas were

4797
03:32:27,381 --> 03:32:30,381
er occupied households were the

4798
03:32:30,384 --> 03:32:32,384
majority. By 2022

4799
03:32:33,387 --> 03:32:34,388
the number increased to five ctas

4800
03:32:34,388 --> 03:32:36,388
with

4801
03:32:36,390 --> 03:32:38,790
north bethesda and seneca

4802
03:32:39,393 --> 03:32:40,394
being the two. While they were not

4803
03:32:40,394 --> 03:32:42,394
renter

4804
03:32:42,396 --> 03:32:44,796
households the majority of

4805
03:32:45,399 --> 03:32:47,399
ctas, germantown, bethesda

4806
03:32:48,402 --> 03:32:50,402
and rockville

4807
03:32:51,405 --> 03:32:53,805
saw a significant increase

4808
03:32:54,374 --> 03:32:56,374
in this time.

4809
03:32:57,377 --> 03:33:00,377
it still remains a majority

4810
03:33:00,380 --> 03:33:02,380
owner

4811
03:33:03,383 --> 03:33:05,783
occupied, related to the

4812
03:33:09,389 --> 03:33:11,389
single

4813
03:33:12,392 --> 03:33:14,392
family homes.

4814
03:33:15,395 --> 03:33:17,395
communities such as

4815
03:33:18,398 --> 03:33:19,399
travilah and upper rock creek. These

4816
03:33:19,399 --> 03:33:21,399
are the

4817
03:33:21,401 --> 03:33:24,404
bars on the far left of the graph.

4818
03:33:24,404 --> 03:33:25,405
conversely those with lower percentage

4819
03:33:25,405 --> 03:33:26,373
such

4820
03:33:26,373 --> 03:33:27,374
as silver spring and great seneca

4821
03:33:27,374 --> 03:33:29,374
had significantly

4822
03:33:31,378 --> 03:33:33,778
lower homeownership rates of

4823
03:33:34,381 --> 03:33:36,381
33% and 19% respectively.

4824
03:33:36,383 --> 03:33:37,384
while the planning response can't

4825
03:33:37,384 --> 03:33:39,384
dictate housing

4826
03:33:40,387 --> 03:33:42,389
tenure, we are embarking on further

4827
03:33:42,389 --> 03:33:45,989
needs to determine whether there is

4828
03:33:46,393 --> 03:33:49,396
more need for more for sale or

4829
03:33:49,396 --> 03:33:51,396
rental housing.

4830
03:33:51,398 --> 03:33:54,998
now I will discuss housing affordability

4831
03:33:58,405 --> 03:34:00,405
indicators.

4832
03:34:04,378 --> 03:34:06,378
this

4833
03:34:07,381 --> 03:34:10,384
is compared to the national value

4834
03:34:10,384 --> 03:34:12,384
of $261,000. This is

4835
03:34:13,387 --> 03:34:15,787
lower than the lowest

4836
03:34:16,390 --> 03:34:18,390
cta average

4837
03:34:19,393 --> 03:34:21,393
value.

4838
03:34:25,399 --> 03:34:27,399
>> it is all

4839
03:34:28,402 --> 03:34:29,403
home value.

4840
03:34:29,403 --> 03:34:31,403
>>

4841
03:34:31,405 --> 03:34:33,405
everything.

4842
03:34:37,377 --> 03:34:39,377
300,000 to

4843
03:34:40,380 --> 03:34:42,380
500,000 was the

4844
03:34:43,383 --> 03:34:45,383
lower

4845
03:34:46,386 --> 03:34:48,386
average.

4846
03:34:49,389 --> 03:34:51,391
up here is highlights where home

4847
03:34:51,391 --> 03:34:52,392
values are growing and where they

4848
03:34:52,392 --> 03:34:53,393
remained

4849
03:34:53,393 --> 03:34:55,393
relatively unchanged. Communities

4850
03:34:55,395 --> 03:34:57,795
in blue experienced the

4851
03:34:58,398 --> 03:34:59,399
greatest increase in home

4852
03:34:59,399 --> 03:35:01,401
values. Their growth rates exceed

4853
03:35:01,401 --> 03:35:03,401
that of the

4854
03:35:04,404 --> 03:35:06,404
county, 27% between 2010 and

4855
03:35:07,374 --> 03:35:09,774
2022. The high income areas

4856
03:35:10,377 --> 03:35:12,379
of chevy chase and bethesda and

4857
03:35:12,379 --> 03:35:13,380
areare to employment centers reforming

4858
03:35:13,380 --> 03:35:15,380
the

4859
03:35:15,382 --> 03:35:16,383
need to access places of work through

4860
03:35:16,383 --> 03:35:18,383
transportation networks

4861
03:35:19,386 --> 03:35:22,386
and diversify the location of

4862
03:35:22,389 --> 03:35:24,391
employment centers across the county.

4863
03:35:24,391 --> 03:35:25,392
communities in orange saw little to

4864
03:35:25,392 --> 03:35:27,392
no growth

4865
03:35:28,395 --> 03:35:30,395
and include damascus,

4866
03:35:31,398 --> 03:35:33,798
leesure world and burtonsville.

4867
03:35:37,404 --> 03:35:39,373
a look at average housing costs.

4868
03:35:39,373 --> 03:35:40,374
as seen by the graphs housing cost

4869
03:35:40,374 --> 03:35:42,374
for

4870
03:35:42,376 --> 03:35:43,377
renters shown on the left in orange

4871
03:35:43,377 --> 03:35:45,377
increased at

4872
03:35:46,380 --> 03:35:48,382
more than 2. 5 times that of

4873
03:35:48,382 --> 03:35:49,383
homeowners shown on right in the blue.

4874
03:35:49,383 --> 03:35:51,383
this increase

4875
03:35:51,385 --> 03:35:52,386
for renters out placed enflation during

4876
03:35:52,386 --> 03:35:54,386
the period.

4877
03:35:55,389 --> 03:35:58,389
the trend is contributing to

4878
03:35:58,392 --> 03:36:00,392
rising inequality

4879
03:36:01,395 --> 03:36:03,395
and rising house

4880
03:36:04,398 --> 03:36:06,398
affects renters.

4881
03:36:13,373 --> 03:36:16,373
a closer look at renter

4882
03:36:19,379 --> 03:36:22,382
occupied households. A subset of communities with

4883
03:36:22,382 --> 03:36:24,384
at least 25% renter occupied

4884
03:36:24,384 --> 03:36:26,784
households. While some communities

4885
03:36:28,388 --> 03:36:30,388
including redland-shady

4886
03:36:31,391 --> 03:36:34,391
grove, chevy chase and takoma

4887
03:36:34,394 --> 03:36:36,394
park, others experienced

4888
03:36:37,397 --> 03:36:38,398
below average around 29% increases

4889
03:36:38,398 --> 03:36:40,398
in

4890
03:36:40,400 --> 03:36:42,400
rent. Great seneca,

4891
03:36:43,403 --> 03:36:45,403
glenmont and

4892
03:36:46,373 --> 03:36:48,373
fairland.

4893
03:36:49,376 --> 03:36:51,376
now

4894
03:36:52,379 --> 03:36:53,380
colin issing to give a demo of all

4895
03:36:53,380 --> 03:36:54,381
of

4896
03:36:54,381 --> 03:36:59,181
the data that you just heard and more.

4897
03:37:16,403 --> 03:37:18,803
>> good afternoon. For the

4898
03:37:19,373 --> 03:37:21,373
record I

4899
03:37:22,376 --> 03:37:24,376
am colin

4900
03:37:28,382 --> 03:37:30,382
m

4901
03:37:31,385 --> 03:37:33,385
cnamaraa. This is

4902
03:37:34,388 --> 03:37:36,390
37ctas allowing users to visualize

4903
03:37:36,390 --> 03:37:37,391
and compare information about place,

4904
03:37:37,391 --> 03:37:39,391
people,

4905
03:37:39,393 --> 03:37:40,394
housing at both the county and the

4906
03:37:40,394 --> 03:37:42,394
community level. I

4907
03:37:42,396 --> 03:37:43,397
will walk through the main tabs and

4908
03:37:43,397 --> 03:37:45,397
highlight

4909
03:37:46,400 --> 03:37:47,401
how the tool supports planning and

4910
03:37:47,401 --> 03:37:48,402
policy

4911
03:37:48,402 --> 03:37:49,403
discussions. We will start where we

4912
03:37:49,403 --> 03:37:50,404
are right now on the general

4913
03:37:50,404 --> 03:37:53,404
tab, the dashboard's landing page.

4914
03:37:55,375 --> 03:37:57,375
by default it

4915
03:37:58,378 --> 03:37:59,379
displays county-wide data at the top

4916
03:37:59,379 --> 03:38:01,379
and by

4917
03:38:01,381 --> 03:38:02,382
default it displays county-wide data

4918
03:38:02,382 --> 03:38:04,382
at the

4919
03:38:04,384 --> 03:38:06,386
top and I can select cta from drop

4920
03:38:06,386 --> 03:38:07,387
down. Chair harris, can you do us

4921
03:38:07,387 --> 03:38:09,387
the honor

4922
03:38:10,390 --> 03:38:11,391
of selecting a cta for us.

4923
03:38:11,391 --> 03:38:13,391
>> why

4924
03:38:13,393 --> 03:38:15,393
not try my

4925
03:38:19,399 --> 03:38:20,400
hometown of ta, t takoma park.

4926
03:38:20,400 --> 03:38:21,401
>>

4927
03:38:21,401 --> 03:38:22,402
okay.

4928
03:38:22,402 --> 03:38:25,402
we used the filter at

4929
03:38:25,405 --> 03:38:26,373
the top to select takoma park. It

4930
03:38:26,373 --> 03:38:27,374
is

4931
03:38:27,374 --> 03:38:29,376
highlighted on the map. A summary

4932
03:38:29,376 --> 03:38:31,376
of

4933
03:38:31,378 --> 03:38:32,379
area, population and housing units

4934
03:38:32,379 --> 03:38:34,379
appear on the

4935
03:38:34,381 --> 03:38:35,382
right. There is a view button opening

4936
03:38:35,382 --> 03:38:36,383
the

4937
03:38:36,383 --> 03:38:38,385
full profile from the community trends

4938
03:38:38,385 --> 03:38:40,785
report. I will click

4939
03:38:41,388 --> 03:38:43,388
that really

4940
03:38:44,391 --> 03:38:46,391
quick.

4941
03:38:47,394 --> 03:38:49,394
shoutout

4942
03:38:50,397 --> 03:38:53,397
to our graphic designer megan

4943
03:38:53,400 --> 03:38:55,800
irving who designed these

4944
03:38:56,403 --> 03:38:57,404
amazing documents.

4945
03:38:57,404 --> 03:38:59,373
>> are

4946
03:38:59,373 --> 03:39:01,375
these generated instantly based

4947
03:39:01,375 --> 03:39:04,378
on the criteria or are these general

4948
03:39:04,378 --> 03:39:05,379
overviews?

4949
03:39:05,379 --> 03:39:06,380
>> they are not. They are

4950
03:39:06,380 --> 03:39:08,380
general

4951
03:39:08,382 --> 03:39:10,382
overviews living on

4952
03:39:11,385 --> 03:39:13,385
a server somewhere.

4953
03:39:17,391 --> 03:39:18,392
this

4954
03:39:18,392 --> 03:39:21,392
dashboard follows the natural order

4955
03:39:23,397 --> 03:39:25,397
of the presentation.

4956
03:39:32,406 --> 03:39:34,406
once

4957
03:39:35,375 --> 03:39:36,376
you select your

4958
03:39:36,376 --> 03:39:38,378
cta, it is there for all time until

4959
03:39:38,378 --> 03:39:40,378
you

4960
03:39:41,381 --> 03:39:43,381
change it again.

4961
03:39:44,384 --> 03:39:46,384
it

4962
03:39:47,387 --> 03:39:49,387
focuses on physical

4963
03:39:49,389 --> 03:39:50,390
characteristics, land use and places

4964
03:39:50,390 --> 03:39:52,390
of interest.

4965
03:39:53,393 --> 03:39:55,393
charts summarizing development

4966
03:39:55,395 --> 03:39:56,396
and land use by area. I can click

4967
03:39:56,396 --> 03:39:58,396
the charts

4968
03:39:59,399 --> 03:40:01,401
or use the drop down and toggle

4969
03:40:01,401 --> 03:40:02,402
between ctas and county-wide views.

4970
03:40:02,402 --> 03:40:04,402
I can

4971
03:40:04,404 --> 03:40:05,405
click on the chart. I can multiselect

4972
03:40:05,405 --> 03:40:07,405
within

4973
03:40:08,375 --> 03:40:10,775
a box or I

4974
03:40:11,378 --> 03:40:12,379
can use the fitter here. If I

4975
03:40:12,379 --> 03:40:14,381
want to see montgomery county I can

4976
03:40:14,381 --> 03:40:16,381
see it

4977
03:40:17,384 --> 03:40:19,384
at all times,

4978
03:40:20,387 --> 03:40:22,787
whether depending whether any

4979
03:40:23,390 --> 03:40:25,790
cta I am in.

4980
03:40:32,399 --> 03:40:34,799
up next places of

4981
03:40:35,402 --> 03:40:36,403
interest. That is just the section to the

4982
03:40:36,403 --> 03:40:38,403
right with

4983
03:40:38,405 --> 03:40:40,805
the toggle buttons. So,

4984
03:40:41,375 --> 03:40:43,377
for places of interest, amenities

4985
03:40:43,377 --> 03:40:46,377
like schools, parks, libraries, type

4986
03:40:47,381 --> 03:40:48,382
and selecting a point

4987
03:40:48,382 --> 03:40:50,384
reveals detailsdetails as name and

4988
03:40:50,384 --> 03:40:52,386
address. This can be used

4989
03:40:52,386 --> 03:40:53,387
at the county-wide level as well.

4990
03:40:53,387 --> 03:40:55,387
go ahead and

4991
03:40:56,390 --> 03:40:59,359
click on a place of interest. I have

4992
03:40:59,359 --> 03:41:01,359
selected a church.

4993
03:41:11,405 --> 03:41:13,405
people

4994
03:41:14,374 --> 03:41:16,774
tab summarizes demographic characteristics,

4995
03:41:17,377 --> 03:41:18,378
population, households, age distribution

4996
03:41:18,378 --> 03:41:20,378
and

4997
03:41:20,380 --> 03:41:22,380
household types.

4998
03:41:22,382 --> 03:41:23,383
education, race and ethnicity. Data

4999
03:41:23,383 --> 03:41:25,383
can

5000
03:41:26,386 --> 03:41:28,386
be viewed 2010, 2016,

5001
03:41:32,359 --> 03:41:34,359
2022.

5002
03:41:44,404 --> 03:41:46,373
housing tab is up next.

5003
03:41:46,373 --> 03:41:47,374
it provides housing conditions, type,

5004
03:41:47,374 --> 03:41:49,374
year built,

5005
03:41:50,377 --> 03:41:52,777
home values, housing costs.

5006
03:41:53,380 --> 03:41:55,780
as with other tabs

5007
03:41:56,383 --> 03:41:59,386
the tab can be viewed at the

5008
03:41:59,386 --> 03:42:01,386
cta

5009
03:42:02,389 --> 03:42:05,392
or county level. Again there is a

5010
03:42:05,392 --> 03:42:07,392
lot in this

5011
03:42:08,395 --> 03:42:10,395
dashboard.

5012
03:42:11,398 --> 03:42:14,401
it is meant for every scale,

5013
03:42:14,401 --> 03:42:16,403
monitor size. Mobile which is 95%

5014
03:42:16,403 --> 03:42:17,404
complete. It took a lot to create

5015
03:42:17,404 --> 03:42:19,404
different charts.

5016
03:42:20,374 --> 03:42:22,774
data was reengineered and

5017
03:42:23,377 --> 03:42:25,377
republished to

5018
03:42:26,380 --> 03:42:29,383
fit schematics for a particular chart.

5019
03:42:29,383 --> 03:42:32,386
we are done with takoma park for now.

5020
03:42:32,386 --> 03:42:35,389
we will see it again right now.

5021
03:42:35,389 --> 03:42:37,389
the comparison

5022
03:42:38,392 --> 03:42:40,392
section it is

5023
03:42:41,395 --> 03:42:42,396
going to be showing all of the ctas

5024
03:42:42,396 --> 03:42:44,396
at the

5025
03:42:44,398 --> 03:42:47,401
same time and it allows users

5026
03:42:47,401 --> 03:42:49,401
to compare

5027
03:42:50,404 --> 03:42:52,804
ctas across different indicators.

5028
03:42:53,373 --> 03:42:54,374
population change, tree canopy and

5029
03:42:54,374 --> 03:42:56,374
montgomery

5030
03:42:56,376 --> 03:42:58,378
county shown as a reference.

5031
03:42:58,378 --> 03:42:59,379
users can switch between different

5032
03:42:59,379 --> 03:43:01,379
views and

5033
03:43:02,382 --> 03:43:04,382
filter to specific

5034
03:43:05,385 --> 03:43:07,385
ctas.

5035
03:43:11,391 --> 03:43:13,393
if anyone sees a topic. I will click

5036
03:43:13,393 --> 03:43:14,394
on that. Very straightforward interaction.

5037
03:43:14,394 --> 03:43:16,394
all I

5038
03:43:17,397 --> 03:43:20,397
am using is the mouse

5039
03:43:20,400 --> 03:43:23,403
here. If I can select a couple of

5040
03:43:23,403 --> 03:43:26,373
ctas, I have a filter in the top left.

5041
03:43:26,373 --> 03:43:29,373
now I can just filter

5042
03:43:29,376 --> 03:43:31,376
a

5043
03:43:32,379 --> 03:43:34,779
couple. I selected five.

5044
03:43:35,382 --> 03:43:37,382
hit apply.

5045
03:43:50,397 --> 03:43:53,997
montgomery county will always be there

5046
03:43:54,401 --> 03:43:56,403
as a reference. There are

5047
03:43:56,403 --> 03:44:00,300
scatter plots down below for three

5048
03:44:00,374 --> 03:44:02,774
particular topics. Age 65 plus

5049
03:44:03,377 --> 03:44:05,777
and people of color.

5050
03:44:06,380 --> 03:44:08,380
education and income.

5051
03:44:11,385 --> 03:44:14,388
clicked on a map. Clicked on the cta

5052
03:44:14,388 --> 03:44:17,988
of the map. See information specific

5053
03:44:18,392 --> 03:44:20,392
to different

5054
03:44:21,395 --> 03:44:23,395
topics.

5055
03:44:24,398 --> 03:44:26,400
average housing value, average housing

5056
03:44:26,400 --> 03:44:27,401
age. I can interact with the housing

5057
03:44:27,401 --> 03:44:31,100
plot to filter out the plot.

5058
03:44:36,376 --> 03:44:38,376
>> complements

5059
03:44:38,378 --> 03:44:39,379
the written report by making something

5060
03:44:39,379 --> 03:44:41,379
more accessible

5061
03:44:41,381 --> 03:44:43,781
and comparable across communities.

5062
03:44:44,384 --> 03:44:45,385
profiles, documentation and methodology

5063
03:44:45,385 --> 03:44:47,385
are

5064
03:44:48,388 --> 03:44:50,788
accessible within the dashboard.

5065
03:44:51,391 --> 03:44:53,391
thank you.

5066
03:44:53,393 --> 03:44:54,394
there is a valid section. We have

5067
03:44:54,394 --> 03:44:56,394
an

5068
03:44:56,396 --> 03:44:59,399
appendix for all of our data sources.

5069
03:44:59,399 --> 03:45:00,400
video sources available on youtube.

5070
03:45:00,400 --> 03:45:02,400
we are here

5071
03:45:03,403 --> 03:45:05,403
to answer any

5072
03:45:06,373 --> 03:45:07,374
questions and the project page

5073
03:45:07,374 --> 03:45:08,375
on montgomery planning.

5074
03:45:08,375 --> 03:45:09,376
>> we have

5075
03:45:09,376 --> 03:45:11,376
a couple

5076
03:45:12,379 --> 03:45:14,379
of slides to

5077
03:45:15,382 --> 03:45:17,382
wrap up.

5078
03:45:21,388 --> 03:45:24,988
>> I have to say good job.

5079
03:45:33,400 --> 03:45:35,402
>> as we wrap up I would like to

5080
03:45:35,402 --> 03:45:36,403
reiterate key points about the point

5081
03:45:36,403 --> 03:45:38,403
and

5082
03:45:39,406 --> 03:45:41,406
our

5083
03:45:42,376 --> 03:45:44,376
analysis. In line

5084
03:45:44,378 --> 03:45:47,381
with the project goals to document

5085
03:45:47,381 --> 03:45:48,382
changing conditions and inform the

5086
03:45:48,382 --> 03:45:50,382
public of trends

5087
03:45:51,385 --> 03:45:53,385
and patterns. We

5088
03:45:53,387 --> 03:45:54,388
published it to provide robust information

5089
03:45:54,388 --> 03:45:55,389
on

5090
03:45:55,389 --> 03:45:57,391
communities across the county and

5091
03:45:57,391 --> 03:45:59,391
looked at 37

5092
03:45:59,393 --> 03:46:02,393
communities covering the entire county

5093
03:46:02,396 --> 03:46:03,397
and analyzed 300 variables and more

5094
03:46:03,397 --> 03:46:05,397
than

5095
03:46:05,399 --> 03:46:06,400
30,000 data points. The information

5096
03:46:06,400 --> 03:46:08,400
from the

5097
03:46:08,402 --> 03:46:09,403
report helps people understand that

5098
03:46:09,403 --> 03:46:11,403
conditions vary in

5099
03:46:12,406 --> 03:46:14,406
different places and

5100
03:46:15,375 --> 03:46:17,377
over time. It also showcases

5101
03:46:17,377 --> 03:46:18,378
montgomery county's rich diversity

5102
03:46:18,378 --> 03:46:21,381
in the population, housing stock, and

5103
03:46:21,381 --> 03:46:23,381
places.

5104
03:46:29,389 --> 03:46:30,390
finally the third goal is to support

5105
03:46:30,390 --> 03:46:32,390
policy and decision

5106
03:46:32,392 --> 03:46:33,393
making and throughout the presentation

5107
03:46:33,393 --> 03:46:35,393
we made

5108
03:46:35,395 --> 03:46:36,396
statements about policy implications

5109
03:46:36,396 --> 03:46:39,396
for land use planning that

5110
03:46:39,399 --> 03:46:42,402
came out in our analysis. As a

5111
03:46:42,402 --> 03:46:44,402
broader

5112
03:46:45,405 --> 03:46:48,375
er summary here are the crucial

5113
03:46:48,375 --> 03:46:49,376
points. A complete community must

5114
03:46:49,376 --> 03:46:51,376
be

5115
03:46:51,378 --> 03:46:54,378
adjusted based on location and

5116
03:46:54,381 --> 03:46:56,381
development density.

5117
03:46:57,384 --> 03:46:59,384
a community

5118
03:46:59,386 --> 03:47:00,387
in the more rural areas of the county

5119
03:47:00,387 --> 03:47:02,387
will not look

5120
03:47:03,390 --> 03:47:05,392
the same as a

5121
03:47:05,392 --> 03:47:06,393
complete community in more urbanized

5122
03:47:06,393 --> 03:47:08,393
area like silver

5123
03:47:09,396 --> 03:47:12,399
spring. What makes a community more

5124
03:47:12,399 --> 03:47:15,402
complete when it has a range of

5125
03:47:15,402 --> 03:47:18,402
land uses, housing types to

5126
03:47:18,405 --> 03:47:20,405
meet

5127
03:47:21,375 --> 03:47:24,378
a variety of needs for a diverse set

5128
03:47:24,378 --> 03:47:27,381
of people. It must be supported

5129
03:47:27,381 --> 03:47:29,781
in the county with

5130
03:47:30,384 --> 03:47:32,384
the infrastructure.

5131
03:47:39,393 --> 03:47:40,394
we should see other places grow and

5132
03:47:40,394 --> 03:47:42,394
not

5133
03:47:42,396 --> 03:47:45,396
decline if the existing infrastructure

5134
03:47:45,399 --> 03:47:47,399
will support it.

5135
03:47:48,402 --> 03:47:51,405
new land use strategies that facilitate

5136
03:47:51,405 --> 03:47:54,374
redevelopment and advance new development

5137
03:47:54,374 --> 03:47:56,774
opportunities continue to be

5138
03:47:57,377 --> 03:47:59,379
required. So with so much of the

5139
03:47:59,379 --> 03:48:00,380
county's land already developed or

5140
03:48:00,380 --> 03:48:02,380
not available for

5141
03:48:02,382 --> 03:48:03,383
new development, we need to continue

5142
03:48:03,383 --> 03:48:05,783
to come up with

5143
03:48:06,386 --> 03:48:09,389
new methods and ideas to be able

5144
03:48:09,389 --> 03:48:10,390
to accommodate future growth. The

5145
03:48:10,390 --> 03:48:12,390
fourth

5146
03:48:12,392 --> 03:48:15,395
point, housing unit growth is important

5147
03:48:15,395 --> 03:48:18,398
to economic development as the working

5148
03:48:18,398 --> 03:48:21,401
age population has grown more slowly

5149
03:48:21,401 --> 03:48:24,401
than the county's population overall.

5150
03:48:24,404 --> 03:48:25,405
continuing housing growth is critical

5151
03:48:25,405 --> 03:48:26,406
to

5152
03:48:26,406 --> 03:48:27,374
affordability which will help the

5153
03:48:27,374 --> 03:48:29,374
county retain

5154
03:48:30,377 --> 03:48:31,378
and attract people, and especially

5155
03:48:31,378 --> 03:48:32,379
working age people

5156
03:48:32,379 --> 03:48:33,380
who are the backbone of the labor

5157
03:48:33,380 --> 03:48:35,780
force and are needed

5158
03:48:36,383 --> 03:48:39,383
to support the county's long-

5159
03:48:39,386 --> 03:48:40,387
term economic growth. Finally, one

5160
03:48:40,387 --> 03:48:42,387
last

5161
03:48:42,389 --> 03:48:44,391
mention, we might have

5162
03:48:44,391 --> 03:48:46,393
more recommendations for specific

5163
03:48:46,393 --> 03:48:48,395
communities as we discuss the

5164
03:48:48,395 --> 03:48:49,396
data with the planners and with our

5165
03:48:49,396 --> 03:48:51,396
staff members

5166
03:48:52,399 --> 03:48:54,399
in the future.

5167
03:48:55,402 --> 03:48:58,402
overall we have done a

5168
03:48:58,405 --> 03:49:00,405
lot to put

5169
03:49:01,375 --> 03:49:03,375
the report

5170
03:49:04,378 --> 03:49:06,778
together. We are noticing

5171
03:49:07,381 --> 03:49:09,381
things that require

5172
03:49:10,384 --> 03:49:12,384
more explanation.

5173
03:49:13,387 --> 03:49:15,387
and

5174
03:49:15,389 --> 03:49:18,389
this concludes our presentation. Thank

5175
03:49:19,393 --> 03:49:20,394
you.

5176
03:49:20,394 --> 03:49:21,395
>> thank you. This

5177
03:49:21,395 --> 03:49:24,395
is amazing. Absolutely amazing. We

5178
03:49:24,398 --> 03:49:27,401
should disseminate it to, you know,

5179
03:49:27,401 --> 03:49:28,402
all parties that can take advantage

5180
03:49:28,402 --> 03:49:30,402
of

5181
03:49:31,405 --> 03:49:33,405
it and to

5182
03:49:34,374 --> 03:49:36,374
drive data and

5183
03:49:37,377 --> 03:49:39,377
inform decisions.

5184
03:49:52,392 --> 03:49:53,393
I am sure the planners and

5185
03:49:53,393 --> 03:49:55,395
the chambers and land use attorneys

5186
03:49:55,395 --> 03:49:57,395
would need

5187
03:49:58,398 --> 03:50:01,401
to see this. Please get it

5188
03:50:01,401 --> 03:50:03,401
out to them.

5189
03:50:07,374 --> 03:50:08,375
I know I will come back with

5190
03:50:08,375 --> 03:50:10,377
some questions. One question that

5191
03:50:10,377 --> 03:50:12,379
I did have, is

5192
03:50:12,379 --> 03:50:15,979
east silver spring, they lost like

5193
03:50:16,383 --> 03:50:18,383
2,700 people, families,

5194
03:50:19,386 --> 03:50:21,786
households. These are young

5195
03:50:22,389 --> 03:50:24,389
18 to 34.

5196
03:50:28,395 --> 03:50:30,795
where do they go?

5197
03:50:37,404 --> 03:50:39,404
takoma park

5198
03:50:39,406 --> 03:50:40,374
lost two, but they grew with the children.

5199
03:50:40,374 --> 03:50:42,374
I was

5200
03:50:43,377 --> 03:50:46,377
trying to figure out how

5201
03:50:46,380 --> 03:50:48,380
that works.

5202
03:50:55,389 --> 03:50:57,391
thank you so much.

5203
03:50:57,391 --> 03:50:58,392
>> just to quickly answer the question,

5204
03:50:58,392 --> 03:51:00,392
that is an

5205
03:51:00,394 --> 03:51:01,395
area where, you know, one of the questions

5206
03:51:01,395 --> 03:51:03,395
that

5207
03:51:04,398 --> 03:51:06,398
we had ourselves.

5208
03:51:07,401 --> 03:51:10,404
we would like to dig more in

5209
03:51:10,404 --> 03:51:13,407
to the question. Yes. We did

5210
03:51:13,407 --> 03:51:15,375
see a loss of young adults. We

5211
03:51:15,375 --> 03:51:16,376
saw a growth in children, the children

5212
03:51:16,376 --> 03:51:18,376
population.

5213
03:51:18,378 --> 03:51:19,379
so, that is a bit of a mystery in

5214
03:51:19,379 --> 03:51:21,379
and

5215
03:51:21,381 --> 03:51:22,382
of itself. Maybe there might be additional

5216
03:51:22,382 --> 03:51:24,382
information that

5217
03:51:25,385 --> 03:51:26,386
we have not looked at. You know, we

5218
03:51:26,386 --> 03:51:27,387
can talk

5219
03:51:27,387 --> 03:51:28,388
to some of the staff members to see

5220
03:51:28,388 --> 03:51:29,389
if they

5221
03:51:29,389 --> 03:51:31,391
know more about the community and

5222
03:51:31,391 --> 03:51:33,393
maybe they might have more

5223
03:51:33,393 --> 03:51:37,593
insight into what is going on demographically.

5224
03:51:40,400 --> 03:51:42,400
>> thank you. >> really.

5225
03:51:43,403 --> 03:51:45,405
that was an amazing job. I don't know

5226
03:51:45,405 --> 03:51:46,406
if that was the first time. I think

5227
03:51:46,406 --> 03:51:48,406
we should continue

5228
03:51:49,376 --> 03:51:52,376
to update this. You have

5229
03:51:52,379 --> 03:51:54,379
the base now.

5230
03:51:55,382 --> 03:51:57,782
every other year when

5231
03:51:58,385 --> 03:52:00,785
the data has more

5232
03:52:01,388 --> 03:52:04,391
change. We compare to see how things

5233
03:52:04,391 --> 03:52:07,394
are going. I have a few

5234
03:52:07,394 --> 03:52:09,794
things that I have

5235
03:52:10,397 --> 03:52:12,397
seen.

5236
03:52:16,403 --> 03:52:18,803
based on the report

5237
03:52:19,406 --> 03:52:20,374
the lower income is not where we are

5238
03:52:20,374 --> 03:52:22,374
having

5239
03:52:22,376 --> 03:52:24,376
the multi

5240
03:52:25,379 --> 03:52:27,379
families, okay.

5241
03:52:30,384 --> 03:52:31,385
the younger people are where we have

5242
03:52:31,385 --> 03:52:33,385
the multi

5243
03:52:34,388 --> 03:52:36,388
families. We want

5244
03:52:37,391 --> 03:52:39,391
to attract younger

5245
03:52:40,394 --> 03:52:42,394
people inin here.

5246
03:52:46,400 --> 03:52:49,403
ownership or rental, but I have

5247
03:52:49,403 --> 03:52:52,406
seen an issue. I have seen

5248
03:52:52,406 --> 03:52:55,375
it without seeing the report.

5249
03:52:55,375 --> 03:52:58,378
it is quite obvious that we are

5250
03:52:58,378 --> 03:53:01,378
building multi family and are

5251
03:53:01,381 --> 03:53:03,381
mostly rental.

5252
03:53:04,384 --> 03:53:06,384
that

5253
03:53:06,386 --> 03:53:07,387
produced the homeownership for younger

5254
03:53:07,387 --> 03:53:09,387
generation.

5255
03:53:10,390 --> 03:53:12,790
older generation is not

5256
03:53:13,393 --> 03:53:15,393
moving.

5257
03:53:19,399 --> 03:53:21,399
so, there

5258
03:53:22,402 --> 03:53:24,402
is no

5259
03:53:25,405 --> 03:53:27,374
sense of doing that.

5260
03:53:27,374 --> 03:53:28,375
even if they want to sell it, the

5261
03:53:28,375 --> 03:53:30,375
prices are

5262
03:53:31,378 --> 03:53:33,378
getting higher

5263
03:53:34,381 --> 03:53:36,781
prices. How can we?

5264
03:53:37,384 --> 03:53:40,387
the real estate is the safest thing

5265
03:53:40,387 --> 03:53:42,387
for younger

5266
03:53:43,390 --> 03:53:45,390
generations.

5267
03:53:46,393 --> 03:53:49,393
how can we give that

5268
03:53:49,396 --> 03:53:51,396
opportunity for younger

5269
03:53:52,399 --> 03:53:54,399
generations to build

5270
03:53:56,403 --> 03:53:58,405
wealth. My children are one

5271
03:53:58,405 --> 03:53:59,406
example that are losing a lot of example

5272
03:53:59,406 --> 03:54:01,406
for

5273
03:54:02,376 --> 03:54:04,376
rental, okay.

5274
03:54:05,379 --> 03:54:07,379
I keep sitting

5275
03:54:07,381 --> 03:54:08,382
there saying just buy something. But

5276
03:54:08,382 --> 03:54:10,382
what they want

5277
03:54:10,384 --> 03:54:11,385
to buy is not where they want to be.

5278
03:54:11,385 --> 03:54:13,385
they

5279
03:54:14,388 --> 03:54:16,388
couldn't afford that.

5280
03:54:26,400 --> 03:54:28,402
they are all going to bebe rent.

5281
03:54:28,402 --> 03:54:32,200
they are not really affordable. They

5282
03:54:32,406 --> 03:54:34,374
don't

5283
03:54:34,374 --> 03:54:35,375
create wealth. Wealth for our younger

5284
03:54:35,375 --> 03:54:37,375
generation

5285
03:54:37,377 --> 03:54:38,378
they want to have that wealth. The

5286
03:54:38,378 --> 03:54:40,378
reason

5287
03:54:40,380 --> 03:54:41,381
that they, I think, I am just thinking

5288
03:54:41,381 --> 03:54:42,382
that a

5289
03:54:42,382 --> 03:54:44,384
lot of the younger generation are

5290
03:54:44,384 --> 03:54:45,385
not going to have more

5291
03:54:45,385 --> 03:54:47,387
children, because they don't want

5292
03:54:47,387 --> 03:54:49,387
to

5293
03:54:50,390 --> 03:54:52,390
raise the

5294
03:54:53,393 --> 03:54:55,395
children in a small area. They

5295
03:54:55,395 --> 03:54:56,396
want to have space with the dogs and

5296
03:54:56,396 --> 03:54:57,397
kids, but they

5297
03:54:57,397 --> 03:54:59,399
can't afford it. They decide, okay,

5298
03:54:59,399 --> 03:55:00,400
we are not

5299
03:55:00,400 --> 03:55:02,402
going to have children. We are just

5300
03:55:02,402 --> 03:55:04,404
going to have one.

5301
03:55:04,404 --> 03:55:05,405
so, how are we going to be, you know, planning for that.

5302
03:55:05,405 --> 03:55:07,405
I don't know.

5303
03:55:08,375 --> 03:55:11,975
not expecting you have the answer.

5304
03:55:25,392 --> 03:55:26,393
>> I am not a young adult anymore, but the

5305
03:55:26,393 --> 03:55:28,793
rest of the other

5306
03:55:29,396 --> 03:55:31,396
three staff

5307
03:55:32,399 --> 03:55:34,399
members are.

5308
03:55:38,405 --> 03:55:40,374
how can we afford to

5309
03:55:40,374 --> 03:55:41,375
live here and buy a home.

5310
03:55:41,375 --> 03:55:42,376
>> I know

5311
03:55:42,376 --> 03:55:44,376
you say

5312
03:55:44,378 --> 03:55:45,379
that, but I am not seeing that. I

5313
03:55:45,379 --> 03:55:47,379
am looking at

5314
03:55:47,381 --> 03:55:50,384
our experts that they do all of

5315
03:55:50,384 --> 03:55:51,385
the plannings. He keeps saying

5316
03:55:51,385 --> 03:55:53,385
production, production, production.

5317
03:55:53,387 --> 03:55:55,387
the thing showed

5318
03:55:55,389 --> 03:55:56,390
that we are done the production.

5319
03:55:56,390 --> 03:55:57,391
>>

5320
03:55:57,391 --> 03:55:58,392
we have not

5321
03:55:58,392 --> 03:55:59,393
done the production.

5322
03:55:59,393 --> 03:56:00,394
>> we have done

5323
03:56:00,394 --> 03:56:02,394
comparing the

5324
03:56:02,396 --> 03:56:04,396
2010 to 2020 you

5325
03:56:05,399 --> 03:56:07,399
were showing, 2022, there

5326
03:56:08,402 --> 03:56:10,402
is production.

5327
03:56:13,407 --> 03:56:14,374
there has been production, but the

5328
03:56:14,374 --> 03:56:16,374
ownership hasn't increased

5329
03:56:17,377 --> 03:56:20,380
at all. The homeownership is one

5330
03:56:20,380 --> 03:56:22,780
reason people want to

5331
03:56:23,383 --> 03:56:25,383
move.

5332
03:56:25,385 --> 03:56:26,386
they don't want to be a renter all

5333
03:56:26,386 --> 03:56:28,386
of their life.

5334
03:56:29,389 --> 03:56:30,390
if they have a family, they want to

5335
03:56:30,390 --> 03:56:32,390
own

5336
03:56:32,392 --> 03:56:34,394
something. That is what creates

5337
03:56:34,394 --> 03:56:35,395
the wealth for future. That happened

5338
03:56:35,395 --> 03:56:37,395
to me.

5339
03:56:38,398 --> 03:56:40,400
I know a lot of my friends.

5340
03:56:40,400 --> 03:56:41,401
surely if you worked for government,

5341
03:56:41,401 --> 03:56:43,401
that is the

5342
03:56:43,403 --> 03:56:44,404
only thing that can allow you to have

5343
03:56:44,404 --> 03:56:46,404
some wealth.

5344
03:56:46,406 --> 03:56:47,374
how can we provide that opportunity

5345
03:56:47,374 --> 03:56:49,374
for our children?

5346
03:56:50,377 --> 03:56:52,377
>> we are

5347
03:56:53,380 --> 03:56:55,380
trying.

5348
03:56:56,383 --> 03:56:58,385
>> just to respond, sorry you are

5349
03:56:58,385 --> 03:56:59,386
in a conversation. Thanks for sticking

5350
03:56:59,386 --> 03:57:01,386
around. I

5351
03:57:02,389 --> 03:57:04,391
think that was the experience of an

5352
03:57:04,391 --> 03:57:05,392
older generation. I don't think it

5353
03:57:05,392 --> 03:57:06,393
is an

5354
03:57:06,393 --> 03:57:08,395
experience of a generation younger

5355
03:57:08,395 --> 03:57:10,397
than me. It takes so

5356
03:57:10,397 --> 03:57:11,398
much longer to get together the wealth

5357
03:57:11,398 --> 03:57:13,398
necessary to put

5358
03:57:13,400 --> 03:57:14,401
a down payment and purchase a house

5359
03:57:14,401 --> 03:57:16,801
than it did even

5360
03:57:17,404 --> 03:57:19,804
a decade ago. Value

5361
03:57:20,407 --> 03:57:21,375
in my neighborhood have gone up 45%

5362
03:57:21,375 --> 03:57:23,375
depending

5363
03:57:23,377 --> 03:57:24,378
how you look at it. If I was forced

5364
03:57:24,378 --> 03:57:26,378
to

5365
03:57:26,380 --> 03:57:28,380
give a 20%

5366
03:57:29,383 --> 03:57:32,386
or 5% down payment on what I

5367
03:57:32,386 --> 03:57:35,389
paid, that is a scale difference.

5368
03:57:35,389 --> 03:57:36,390
that requires a much higher base to

5369
03:57:36,390 --> 03:57:38,390
purchase from.

5370
03:57:38,392 --> 03:57:39,393
when you are talking about a post

5371
03:57:39,393 --> 03:57:41,393
baby

5372
03:57:41,395 --> 03:57:43,395
boom generation or

5373
03:57:44,398 --> 03:57:46,400
older gen x generation, the

5374
03:57:46,400 --> 03:57:47,401
inflation adjusted cost of the home

5375
03:57:47,401 --> 03:57:49,401
was considerably lower

5376
03:57:50,404 --> 03:57:53,407
and you had much more investment in

5377
03:57:53,407 --> 03:57:55,375
loans and things like that

5378
03:57:55,375 --> 03:57:56,376
lowering the overall entry point that

5379
03:57:56,376 --> 03:57:58,376
you do not

5380
03:57:59,379 --> 03:58:01,381
have now. We have taken 91%

5381
03:58:01,381 --> 03:58:02,382
of the residential space, sectioned

5382
03:58:02,382 --> 03:58:04,384
it off for single

5383
03:58:04,384 --> 03:58:05,385
family homes. We cannot build that

5384
03:58:05,385 --> 03:58:07,385
because we are

5385
03:58:08,388 --> 03:58:10,388
not build out.

5386
03:58:11,391 --> 03:58:13,391
we can only

5387
03:58:14,394 --> 03:58:17,397
build multi family in 9% of the county.

5388
03:58:17,397 --> 03:58:19,399
there are hardly any spaces

5389
03:58:19,399 --> 03:58:20,400
left. You run the numbers and what

5390
03:58:20,400 --> 03:58:22,400
you see is

5391
03:58:23,403 --> 03:58:24,404
what we get. Creep, creep, creep,

5392
03:58:24,404 --> 03:58:25,405
steep. That

5393
03:58:25,405 --> 03:58:26,406
is where we have come to this point.

5394
03:58:26,406 --> 03:58:28,406
people do

5395
03:58:29,376 --> 03:58:32,379
want to buy. People want homeownership.

5396
03:58:32,379 --> 03:58:35,382
is it a different market for

5397
03:58:35,382 --> 03:58:38,385
multi family and a market for single

5398
03:58:38,385 --> 03:58:39,386
family detached homeownership which

5399
03:58:39,386 --> 03:58:41,386
we can't

5400
03:58:41,388 --> 03:58:42,389
build anymore.

5401
03:58:42,389 --> 03:58:43,390
>> I am not talking

5402
03:58:43,390 --> 03:58:45,390
about just

5403
03:58:45,392 --> 03:58:48,392
single family, okay. You have

5404
03:58:48,395 --> 03:58:50,397
townhomes, two by twos. I

5405
03:58:50,397 --> 03:58:51,398
see the architect come with a really

5406
03:58:51,398 --> 03:58:53,398
innovative

5407
03:58:54,401 --> 03:58:56,801
ideas that allow --

5408
03:58:57,404 --> 03:58:58,405
I am not

5409
03:58:58,405 --> 03:59:00,407
talking single family or anything.

5410
03:59:00,407 --> 03:59:02,407
you said the

5411
03:59:03,377 --> 03:59:05,777
rent increased by 40% while

5412
03:59:06,380 --> 03:59:08,780
the mortgage has gone

5413
03:59:09,383 --> 03:59:11,383
up 14%.

5414
03:59:12,386 --> 03:59:15,389
it allows people to have a

5415
03:59:15,389 --> 03:59:17,389
better quality of

5416
03:59:18,358 --> 03:59:20,358
life.

5417
03:59:33,407 --> 03:59:35,407
what I am

5418
03:59:36,376 --> 03:59:37,377
challenging us to think about

5419
03:59:37,377 --> 03:59:39,379
all other different types of housing

5420
03:59:39,379 --> 03:59:41,379
types that allows

5421
03:59:42,382 --> 03:59:45,382
ownership. That is what I

5422
03:59:45,385 --> 03:59:47,385
am talking about.

5423
03:59:51,391 --> 03:59:53,791
we just started to

5424
03:59:54,394 --> 03:59:55,395
approve those in the past

5425
03:59:55,395 --> 03:59:57,397
years. Hopefully we will see them

5426
03:59:57,397 --> 04:00:00,397
in the market in the

5427
04:00:00,400 --> 04:00:02,400
next couple of

5428
04:00:03,403 --> 04:00:05,403
years.

5429
04:00:06,406 --> 04:00:08,406
we

5430
04:00:09,376 --> 04:00:10,377
are going to wrap this up.

5431
04:00:10,377 --> 04:00:12,377
>> I

5432
04:00:12,379 --> 04:00:14,379
like your presentation.

5433
04:00:24,391 --> 04:00:26,391
>> I

5434
04:00:27,394 --> 04:00:29,394
was wondering if

5435
04:00:29,396 --> 04:00:30,397
there is a cost of analysis versus

5436
04:00:30,397 --> 04:00:32,397
the

5437
04:00:32,399 --> 04:00:33,400
selling price of the unit or the house

5438
04:00:33,400 --> 04:00:35,400
based on

5439
04:00:36,403 --> 04:00:38,403
the county.

5440
04:00:39,406 --> 04:00:40,407
one of those is the

5441
04:00:40,407 --> 04:00:42,376
cost of construction and the cost

5442
04:00:42,376 --> 04:00:44,376
of housing. I

5443
04:00:45,379 --> 04:00:47,381
was wondering if it is

5444
04:00:47,381 --> 04:00:48,382
different, the cost in east county

5445
04:00:48,382 --> 04:00:50,382
is different than

5446
04:00:51,385 --> 04:00:54,388
the cost in west county. If they

5447
04:00:54,388 --> 04:00:57,391
are the same, you know, what is

5448
04:00:57,391 --> 04:00:59,393
the obstacle of building, you

5449
04:00:59,393 --> 04:01:00,394
know, multi family dwelling units

5450
04:01:00,394 --> 04:01:02,394
in west

5451
04:01:02,396 --> 04:01:03,397
county opposed to east county if the

5452
04:01:03,397 --> 04:01:05,397
cost

5453
04:01:05,399 --> 04:01:06,400
will be the same, and you can sell

5454
04:01:06,400 --> 04:01:08,400
it for

5455
04:01:08,402 --> 04:01:09,403
more moneymoney west county than you

5456
04:01:09,403 --> 04:01:11,403
could in

5457
04:01:12,406 --> 04:01:13,407
east county.

5458
04:01:13,407 --> 04:01:14,374
>> for the record,

5459
04:01:14,374 --> 04:01:15,375
kerry mccarthy, division chief of

5460
04:01:15,375 --> 04:01:17,375
research in

5461
04:01:17,377 --> 04:01:18,378
strategic projects. The general answer

5462
04:01:18,378 --> 04:01:20,378
to that is

5463
04:01:21,381 --> 04:01:23,383
land costs, land values are a lot

5464
04:01:23,383 --> 04:01:24,384
higher in west county than east county.

5465
04:01:24,384 --> 04:01:26,384
construction

5466
04:01:26,386 --> 04:01:27,387
costs, you are drawing materials,

5467
04:01:27,387 --> 04:01:29,387
out of county,

5468
04:01:30,390 --> 04:01:33,393
out of state, regional. It really

5469
04:01:33,393 --> 04:01:34,394
s down to the land value.

5470
04:01:34,394 --> 04:01:35,395
>> is

5471
04:01:35,395 --> 04:01:36,396
it based on location, demographics

5472
04:01:36,396 --> 04:01:38,396
or is

5473
04:01:39,399 --> 04:01:41,799
it based upon scarcity?

5474
04:01:42,402 --> 04:01:44,404
>> kind of all of the above.

5475
04:01:44,404 --> 04:01:45,405
school districts. Perceived quality

5476
04:01:45,405 --> 04:01:47,405
of

5477
04:01:48,375 --> 04:01:51,378
school districts is a big driver

5478
04:01:51,378 --> 04:01:53,378
and location.

5479
04:01:54,381 --> 04:01:56,381
>> so,

5480
04:01:57,384 --> 04:01:59,386
in west county there

5481
04:01:59,386 --> 04:02:00,387
are less public transportation opportunities,

5482
04:02:00,387 --> 04:02:02,387
correct.

5483
04:02:03,390 --> 04:02:04,391
right. However, how does that compute

5484
04:02:04,391 --> 04:02:06,391
with

5485
04:02:06,393 --> 04:02:07,394
what you just said because there are

5486
04:02:07,394 --> 04:02:08,395
less

5487
04:02:08,395 --> 04:02:09,396
public transportation opportunities.

5488
04:02:09,396 --> 04:02:11,396
so, the

5489
04:02:12,399 --> 04:02:13,400
land value is higher because there

5490
04:02:13,400 --> 04:02:14,401
is less transportation options.

5491
04:02:14,401 --> 04:02:15,402
>>

5492
04:02:15,402 --> 04:02:17,402
there are

5493
04:02:18,405 --> 04:02:20,805
schools, access to parks,

5494
04:02:24,378 --> 04:02:25,379
amenities, commuting.

5495
04:02:25,379 --> 04:02:27,379
>> you

5496
04:02:27,381 --> 04:02:30,384
are talking about a place r-200 or

5497
04:02:30,384 --> 04:02:32,386
r-1. Your house may cost 3. 5

5498
04:02:32,386 --> 04:02:33,387
but it is sitting on an acre and a

5499
04:02:33,387 --> 04:02:35,387
half of

5500
04:02:35,389 --> 04:02:36,390
land, and you can't build anything

5501
04:02:36,390 --> 04:02:38,390
but a single

5502
04:02:39,393 --> 04:02:40,394
family home on it anyway.

5503
04:02:40,394 --> 04:02:42,394
>> if it

5504
04:02:42,396 --> 04:02:45,396
were zoned differently --if we

5505
04:02:45,399 --> 04:02:46,400
had comparable zones in west and east

5506
04:02:46,400 --> 04:02:47,401
county

5507
04:02:47,401 --> 04:02:48,402
and they were zoned the same, right.

5508
04:02:48,402 --> 04:02:50,402
would the

5509
04:02:50,404 --> 04:02:51,405
value of the land be different in

5510
04:02:51,405 --> 04:02:54,374
west county than the value

5511
04:02:54,374 --> 04:02:57,374
of the land in east

5512
04:02:57,377 --> 04:02:58,378
county?

5513
04:02:58,378 --> 04:03:00,378
>> kind of

5514
04:03:00,380 --> 04:03:01,381
depends.

5515
04:03:01,381 --> 04:03:02,382
>> why. >>

5516
04:03:02,382 --> 04:03:03,383
why?

5517
04:03:03,383 --> 04:03:04,384
>> some of it is commute from

5518
04:03:04,384 --> 04:03:05,385
dc,

5519
04:03:05,385 --> 04:03:06,386
transit is a benefit and driving on

5520
04:03:06,386 --> 04:03:08,386
the westside of

5521
04:03:09,389 --> 04:03:11,789
the county it is

5522
04:03:13,393 --> 04:03:15,393
>> I think

5523
04:03:16,396 --> 04:03:18,398
when we would look

5524
04:03:18,398 --> 04:03:19,399
at availability of space, the more space

5525
04:03:19,399 --> 04:03:22,399
available in west county than

5526
04:03:22,402 --> 04:03:25,405
there is in east county. And

5527
04:03:25,405 --> 04:03:27,805
the cost of construction

5528
04:03:28,375 --> 04:03:31,378
is the same, but land value is not based

5529
04:03:31,378 --> 04:03:32,379
upon scarcity,

5530
04:03:32,379 --> 04:03:34,381
but some other intangibles. We can

5531
04:03:34,381 --> 04:03:36,381
look

5532
04:03:36,383 --> 04:03:40,387
at opportunities for expanding construction and building

5533
04:03:40,387 --> 04:03:43,390
in west county as opposed to

5534
04:03:43,390 --> 04:03:45,392
east county. The variables you mentioned,

5535
04:03:45,392 --> 04:03:46,393
you know, school performance, whatnot,

5536
04:03:46,393 --> 04:03:48,393
we also

5537
04:03:50,397 --> 04:03:53,397
have to examine how we

5538
04:03:53,400 --> 04:03:55,400
can improve

5539
04:03:56,403 --> 04:03:57,404
our school's performances and

5540
04:03:57,404 --> 04:03:59,406
demographics, I guess, in east county,

5541
04:03:59,406 --> 04:04:01,406
or find some

5542
04:04:02,376 --> 04:04:05,376
kind of way to limit

5543
04:04:05,379 --> 04:04:06,380
the estimation of value based upon schools

5544
04:04:06,380 --> 04:04:08,382
only and demographics. Because the

5545
04:04:08,382 --> 04:04:10,382
proximity to

5546
04:04:10,384 --> 04:04:12,386
metro station that you brought up doesn't

5547
04:04:12,386 --> 04:04:14,388
really particularly fit for west county,

5548
04:04:14,388 --> 04:04:17,391
as it does in the central

5549
04:04:17,391 --> 04:04:18,392
part of the

5550
04:04:18,392 --> 04:04:20,394
county and east county. So I just

5551
04:04:20,394 --> 04:04:22,394
find it

5552
04:04:22,396 --> 04:04:23,397
curious on how homes are valued in

5553
04:04:23,397 --> 04:04:25,397
our

5554
04:04:26,400 --> 04:04:28,400
county that limit

5555
04:04:28,402 --> 04:04:29,403
the opportunity for homeownership.

5556
04:04:29,403 --> 04:04:30,404
>>

5557
04:04:30,404 --> 04:04:31,405
yep.

5558
04:04:31,405 --> 04:04:32,406
>> and then

5559
04:04:32,406 --> 04:04:33,407
I've really liked this information. Final

5560
04:04:33,407 --> 04:04:35,375
question is how

5561
04:04:35,375 --> 04:04:38,378
will the local citizen, who is

5562
04:04:38,378 --> 04:04:41,381
not a developer and is just a

5563
04:04:41,381 --> 04:04:43,381
consumer use

5564
04:04:43,383 --> 04:04:44,384
this information to their benefit?

5565
04:04:44,384 --> 04:04:45,385
>>

5566
04:04:45,385 --> 04:04:46,386
so

5567
04:04:46,386 --> 04:04:47,387
first of all, we pick key demographic

5568
04:04:47,387 --> 04:04:49,387
and

5569
04:04:49,389 --> 04:04:50,390
land use in housing characteristics,

5570
04:04:50,390 --> 04:04:52,392
that give up an overarching

5571
04:04:52,392 --> 04:04:53,393
picture of what the community had

5572
04:04:53,393 --> 04:04:55,393
looks like. So

5573
04:04:55,395 --> 04:04:58,395
probably for the average citizen,

5574
04:04:58,398 --> 04:04:59,399
you know, most people may not know

5575
04:04:59,399 --> 04:05:01,399
exactly

5576
04:05:01,401 --> 04:05:02,402
what the data points are. What does

5577
04:05:02,402 --> 04:05:03,403
our

5578
04:05:03,403 --> 04:05:05,405
community look like? You know, they

5579
04:05:05,405 --> 04:05:07,405
may

5580
04:05:08,375 --> 04:05:10,375
have some perception

5581
04:05:11,378 --> 04:05:14,378
of well, this community is

5582
04:05:14,381 --> 04:05:16,381
wealthier. Demographics may

5583
04:05:16,383 --> 04:05:17,384
be this. You know, percentage of people. But,

5584
04:05:17,384 --> 04:05:19,384
you know,

5585
04:05:19,386 --> 04:05:20,387
we want them to have the correct information. So

5586
04:05:20,387 --> 04:05:22,387
this

5587
04:05:23,390 --> 04:05:25,390
is suppose

5588
04:05:26,393 --> 04:05:27,394
to be an authoritative source we're providing

5589
04:05:27,394 --> 04:05:28,395
to

5590
04:05:28,395 --> 04:05:29,396
the community. And this is suppose

5591
04:05:29,396 --> 04:05:31,396
to be,

5592
04:05:32,399 --> 04:05:35,402
you know, a first place for them

5593
04:05:35,402 --> 04:05:36,403
to stop at, to

5594
04:05:36,403 --> 04:05:38,405
look at the information, learn about,

5595
04:05:38,405 --> 04:05:40,405
you know,

5596
04:05:41,375 --> 04:05:44,378
what their community looks like. And

5597
04:05:44,378 --> 04:05:47,381
have the kinds of conversations that

5598
04:05:47,381 --> 04:05:48,382
we are having right now. Ask questions

5599
04:05:48,382 --> 04:05:49,383
and think

5600
04:05:49,383 --> 04:05:52,386
about, well, what about these other things

5601
04:05:52,386 --> 04:05:53,387
that may not be published? You know,

5602
04:05:53,387 --> 04:05:55,387
in the

5603
04:05:56,390 --> 04:05:59,393
report. You know, why is this

5604
04:05:59,393 --> 04:06:02,396
going on? And then, you know, perhaps maybe

5605
04:06:02,396 --> 04:06:03,397
start engaging with

5606
04:06:03,397 --> 04:06:05,399
our community leaders to, you know, answer

5607
04:06:05,399 --> 04:06:06,400
some of these questions and

5608
04:06:06,400 --> 04:06:10,000
maybe drive policy change as well.

5609
04:06:11,405 --> 04:06:13,405
>> okay, linden,

5610
04:06:17,377 --> 04:06:18,378
do you have

5611
04:06:18,378 --> 04:06:19,379
any questions, comments?

5612
04:06:19,379 --> 04:06:20,380
>> no questions. Just somewhat,

5613
04:06:20,380 --> 04:06:23,380
a lot of thanks to

5614
04:06:23,383 --> 04:06:24,384
the team. This was

5615
04:06:24,384 --> 04:06:25,385
really incredible stuff. I really

5616
04:06:25,385 --> 04:06:26,386
enjoyed reading through the report. I didn't

5617
04:06:26,386 --> 04:06:27,387
quite

5618
04:06:27,387 --> 04:06:29,389
make it through the whole thing yet. But

5619
04:06:29,389 --> 04:06:33,589
I enjoy the parts I got through,

5620
04:06:34,394 --> 04:06:37,394
and I appreciate this presentation.

5621
04:06:38,398 --> 04:06:40,398
it will be

5622
04:06:41,401 --> 04:06:44,404
a valuable resource to plug in

5623
04:06:44,404 --> 04:06:46,404
and support so

5624
04:06:46,406 --> 04:06:47,407
many policy plans and conversations. Yeah,

5625
04:06:47,407 --> 04:06:50,377
I really look forward to kind of continuing

5626
04:06:50,377 --> 04:06:52,379
to chew on a lot of

5627
04:06:52,379 --> 04:06:53,380
this and have conversations around

5628
04:06:53,380 --> 04:06:56,383
it. So yeah, just thanks so

5629
04:06:56,383 --> 04:06:59,983
much for your work on it.

5630
04:07:02,389 --> 04:07:03,390
>> we appreciate it. We're going to

5631
04:07:03,390 --> 04:07:05,390
take

5632
04:07:05,392 --> 04:07:08,392
a 30-minute break and come

5633
04:07:08,395 --> 04:07:10,795
back, so 30 minutes from

5634
04:07:11,398 --> 04:07:12,399
now is like 1:30. Thank you so much. We

5635
04:07:12,399 --> 04:07:14,368
look

5636
04:07:14,368 --> 04:07:17,368
--great, great work. Thank you.

5637
04:07:47,367 --> 04:07:49,767
after a 30-minute break ]

5638
04:40:52,386 --> 04:40:53,387
z

5639
04:40:53,387 --> 04:40:55,387
>>>

5640
04:40:55,389 --> 04:40:57,391
item seven and eight, item seven is

5641
04:40:57,391 --> 04:40:58,392
dps zoning and site plan enforcement. And

5642
04:40:58,392 --> 04:41:00,392
they will cover

5643
04:41:01,395 --> 04:41:03,397
the site plan mou and

5644
04:41:03,397 --> 04:41:04,398
enforcement coordination. And the

5645
04:41:04,398 --> 04:41:07,401
second item, number eight, land development

5646
04:41:07,401 --> 04:41:08,402
will present the right of way stormwater

5647
04:41:08,402 --> 04:41:09,403
and

5648
04:41:09,403 --> 04:41:10,404
wells and septic. You have to admit,

5649
04:41:10,404 --> 04:41:11,405
I haven't seen it so lively here in a while,

5650
04:41:11,405 --> 04:41:13,405
so

5651
04:41:13,407 --> 04:41:15,407
thank you

5652
04:41:16,410 --> 04:41:19,379
for the dps and the dot team for coming today. So

5653
04:41:19,379 --> 04:41:21,379
we'll

5654
04:41:21,381 --> 04:41:22,382
start off with robin kronenberg, deputy

5655
04:41:22,382 --> 04:41:24,384
director, telling us what we're going

5656
04:41:24,384 --> 04:41:25,385
to be hearing today.

5657
04:41:25,385 --> 04:41:26,386
>> thank you,

5658
04:41:26,386 --> 04:41:28,388
mr. Chair. Thank you

5659
04:41:28,388 --> 04:41:30,388
to our partners

5660
04:41:31,391 --> 04:41:32,392
with dot and with dps. Definitely

5661
04:41:32,392 --> 04:41:33,393
have

5662
04:41:33,393 --> 04:41:34,394
a good turnout here. The board did

5663
04:41:34,394 --> 04:41:35,395
ask for a briefing back in the fall. It's

5664
04:41:35,395 --> 04:41:36,396
taken a

5665
04:41:36,396 --> 04:41:38,398
little while to get this together,

5666
04:41:38,398 --> 04:41:40,398
but

5667
04:41:41,401 --> 04:41:42,402
we really appreciate your

5668
04:41:42,402 --> 04:41:44,404
partnership here. And, you know, we

5669
04:41:44,404 --> 04:41:46,404
work with everyone

5670
04:41:47,407 --> 04:41:49,409
here on a daily

5671
04:41:49,409 --> 04:41:50,377
basis. Our coordination efforts, in many

5672
04:41:50,377 --> 04:41:51,378
respects, behind the scenes. So what

5673
04:41:51,378 --> 04:41:52,379
you

5674
04:41:52,379 --> 04:41:53,380
see is kind of a final report that

5675
04:41:53,380 --> 04:41:55,380
comes to

5676
04:41:55,382 --> 04:41:58,385
you. A lot of times, it is what all these

5677
04:41:58,385 --> 04:42:01,385
people collectively have worked together

5678
04:42:01,388 --> 04:42:02,389
with our staff to bring to you. I

5679
04:42:02,389 --> 04:42:04,389
also wanted

5680
04:42:04,391 --> 04:42:07,991
to say we really appreciate their

5681
04:42:08,395 --> 04:42:09,396
feedback and their participation in

5682
04:42:09,396 --> 04:42:11,398
the community planning academy. I

5683
04:42:11,398 --> 04:42:13,798
know you were, you

5684
04:42:14,401 --> 04:42:16,801
helped represent one of

5685
04:42:17,404 --> 04:42:18,405
the activities we had. But

5686
04:42:18,405 --> 04:42:21,408
both agencies provided input in the

5687
04:42:21,408 --> 04:42:23,377
participation and in the modules. So

5688
04:42:23,377 --> 04:42:25,377
the presentations

5689
04:42:25,379 --> 04:42:26,380
today are intended to be informational

5690
04:42:26,380 --> 04:42:27,381
and provide the

5691
04:42:27,381 --> 04:42:29,383
board an overview of a variety of

5692
04:42:29,383 --> 04:42:31,383
elements that are

5693
04:42:32,386 --> 04:42:33,387
a part of our regulatory

5694
04:42:33,387 --> 04:42:35,389
reviews and post approvals. Again,

5695
04:42:35,389 --> 04:42:37,789
our regulatory reviews include,

5696
04:42:38,392 --> 04:42:39,393
but aren't limited to stormwater management,

5697
04:42:39,393 --> 04:42:41,395
storm drains, zoning, well, septic, right

5698
04:42:41,395 --> 04:42:43,795
of way, and then

5699
04:42:44,398 --> 04:42:45,399
the post approvals are

5700
04:42:45,399 --> 04:42:47,401
record plats and site plan enforcement,

5701
04:42:47,401 --> 04:42:48,402
and I know

5702
04:42:48,402 --> 04:42:50,404
from the dps and dot standpoint, a

5703
04:42:50,404 --> 04:42:52,406
lot of the right of ways

5704
04:42:52,406 --> 04:42:53,407
and the control work that's done. So

5705
04:42:53,407 --> 04:42:55,407
these

5706
04:42:55,409 --> 04:42:56,410
two items will run continuously together. So

5707
04:42:56,410 --> 04:42:58,378
feel

5708
04:42:58,378 --> 04:42:59,379
free to ask them questions. I think

5709
04:42:59,379 --> 04:43:00,380
they

5710
04:43:00,380 --> 04:43:02,382
will have breaks at certain points,

5711
04:43:02,382 --> 04:43:05,382
if you want to hold

5712
04:43:05,385 --> 04:43:07,387
your questions until those points. But

5713
04:43:07,387 --> 04:43:08,388
I'm sure the team will be able to

5714
04:43:08,388 --> 04:43:09,389
navigate

5715
04:43:09,389 --> 04:43:11,391
the questions and the answers. I'd

5716
04:43:11,391 --> 04:43:14,394
like to turn it over. I think

5717
04:43:14,394 --> 04:43:16,396
it's to greg and victor. Is that correct? And

5718
04:43:16,396 --> 04:43:17,397
then I'll let the respective people

5719
04:43:17,397 --> 04:43:18,398
that

5720
04:43:18,398 --> 04:43:20,400
are up here introduce their teams

5721
04:43:20,400 --> 04:43:22,400
if that

5722
04:43:23,403 --> 04:43:24,404
is okay.

5723
04:43:24,404 --> 04:43:25,405
>> can I just

5724
04:43:25,405 --> 04:43:26,406
say, I just want to to really thank

5725
04:43:26,406 --> 04:43:28,406
you

5726
04:43:29,409 --> 04:43:31,409
for all of

5727
04:43:32,379 --> 04:43:34,379
you

5728
04:43:34,381 --> 04:43:38,385
guys being here. Being the director of funding services.

5729
04:43:38,385 --> 04:43:40,385
and

5730
04:43:41,388 --> 04:43:43,388
I

5731
04:43:44,391 --> 04:43:47,394
can attest to the dedication. How

5732
04:43:47,394 --> 04:43:49,394
passionate they

5733
04:43:50,397 --> 04:43:52,397
are for

5734
04:43:53,400 --> 04:43:55,400
the work

5735
04:43:56,403 --> 04:43:59,403
we do. The good relationship

5736
04:43:59,406 --> 04:44:02,406
and coordination with us right

5737
04:44:02,409 --> 04:44:04,809
now. I personally am

5738
04:44:05,379 --> 04:44:07,379
privileged

5739
04:44:07,381 --> 04:44:11,385
to know them, to work with them, thanks

5740
04:44:11,385 --> 04:44:14,388
them for everything they did together

5741
04:44:14,388 --> 04:44:16,390
and for everything that

5742
04:44:16,390 --> 04:44:20,394
they are doing right now. Thank you for being here.

5743
04:44:20,394 --> 04:44:22,394
>> for those

5744
04:44:23,397 --> 04:44:25,399
that were not a part of

5745
04:44:25,399 --> 04:44:26,400
our morning session, commissioner,

5746
04:44:26,400 --> 04:44:27,401
vice chair linden is

5747
04:44:27,401 --> 04:44:29,369
participating virtually today, so

5748
04:44:29,369 --> 04:44:32,369
he is here. Thank you.

5749
04:44:41,381 --> 04:44:43,381
>> chair and members

5750
04:44:43,383 --> 04:44:44,384
of the planning board. I'm victor salazar,

5751
04:44:44,384 --> 04:44:46,384
division chief for

5752
04:44:47,387 --> 04:44:50,387
zoning and code compliance at

5753
04:44:50,390 --> 04:44:52,392
dps. I'm joined by greg

5754
04:44:52,392 --> 04:44:53,393
nichols, section manager per code compliance

5755
04:44:53,393 --> 04:44:55,393
and brian, who

5756
04:44:56,396 --> 04:44:59,396
is our program managerrer and

5757
04:44:59,399 --> 04:45:00,400
manages our field inspection teams. With

5758
04:45:00,400 --> 04:45:02,400
us

5759
04:45:02,402 --> 04:45:04,802
today, our inspectors who

5760
04:45:08,408 --> 04:45:11,378
were seated behind us. Just to

5761
04:45:11,378 --> 04:45:13,380
give you an idea. Guys, keep standing

5762
04:45:13,380 --> 04:45:14,381
for a section. We are only missing

5763
04:45:14,381 --> 04:45:16,383
two on the team, but raise

5764
04:45:16,383 --> 04:45:17,384
your hand. Patrick, he's inside the beltway,

5765
04:45:17,384 --> 04:45:20,384
okay. And then just going

5766
04:45:20,387 --> 04:45:22,389
north of that, we

5767
04:45:22,389 --> 04:45:23,390
are missing amir aberdeen, but we've

5768
04:45:23,390 --> 04:45:25,790
got alvin clarkson, basically

5769
04:45:26,393 --> 04:45:28,395
your guy in the east. Just above him

5770
04:45:28,395 --> 04:45:29,396
in montgomery village area, going

5771
04:45:29,396 --> 04:45:31,396
up

5772
04:45:31,398 --> 04:45:34,998
towards gaithersburg, you have neman. And

5773
04:45:36,403 --> 04:45:38,405
then you've got oscar hildalgo, mostly

5774
04:45:38,405 --> 04:45:39,406
in the clarkburg area. But he's

5775
04:45:39,406 --> 04:45:41,408
in training still. Really great. We've got

5776
04:45:41,408 --> 04:45:44,378
him all over the place. We

5777
04:45:44,378 --> 04:45:46,778
are also missing andre

5778
04:45:47,381 --> 04:45:48,382
peters who is gaitherstown, germantown west.

5779
04:45:48,382 --> 04:45:49,383
>>

5780
04:45:49,383 --> 04:45:50,384
I've been working with alvin since

5781
04:45:50,384 --> 04:45:52,386
he was assigned to silver springs,

5782
04:45:52,386 --> 04:45:53,387
so I appreciate the work he's been

5783
04:45:53,387 --> 04:45:55,389
doing. Probably been at least 15

5784
04:45:55,389 --> 04:45:58,989
years that we've been working together,

5785
04:45:59,393 --> 04:46:02,393
so I appreciate their work.

5786
04:46:02,396 --> 04:46:05,399
>> today, our portion of the briefing

5787
04:46:05,399 --> 04:46:06,400
focuses on how planning board decisions

5788
04:46:06,400 --> 04:46:08,400
translate

5789
04:46:08,402 --> 04:46:11,402
into what actually gets built

5790
04:46:14,408 --> 04:46:15,409
on the ground. Specifically through

5791
04:46:15,409 --> 04:46:16,410
our certified

5792
04:46:16,410 --> 04:46:17,377
site plan compliance program. This

5793
04:46:17,377 --> 04:46:20,380
is not a policy pitch. It's

5794
04:46:20,380 --> 04:46:23,383
an operational walk through, how the

5795
04:46:23,383 --> 04:46:26,383
system works, how we coordinate

5796
04:46:26,386 --> 04:46:27,387
where accountability lives, and what we've

5797
04:46:27,387 --> 04:46:28,388
learned. After

5798
04:46:28,388 --> 04:46:29,389
this section, linda and her team will

5799
04:46:29,389 --> 04:46:30,390
walk you through the land development

5800
04:46:30,390 --> 04:46:32,390
side

5801
04:46:32,392 --> 04:46:33,393
of the house, which picks up where

5802
04:46:33,393 --> 04:46:37,593
our compliance role intersects with infrastructure delivery.

5803
04:46:41,401 --> 04:46:45,100
this agenda follows the life cycle

5804
04:46:45,405 --> 04:46:48,405
of a project, from planning

5805
04:46:48,408 --> 04:46:50,808
board approval to inspection

5806
04:46:54,381 --> 04:46:56,781
to enforcement to lessons

5807
04:46:57,384 --> 04:46:58,385
learned. This mou exists

5808
04:46:58,385 --> 04:47:00,387
because approvals don't enforce themselves. The

5809
04:47:00,387 --> 04:47:02,387
mou was

5810
04:47:03,390 --> 04:47:04,391
created

5811
04:47:04,391 --> 04:47:06,393
to remove ambiguity, who expects what, when planning

5812
04:47:06,393 --> 04:47:08,393
is looped in,

5813
04:47:08,395 --> 04:47:09,396
and who is accountable when conditions

5814
04:47:09,396 --> 04:47:11,396
aren't

5815
04:47:11,398 --> 04:47:12,399
met. Before the mou responsibilities were

5816
04:47:12,399 --> 04:47:14,399
implied,

5817
04:47:15,402 --> 04:47:17,402
after

5818
04:47:17,404 --> 04:47:19,406
the mou, they are explicit. Integrity

5819
04:47:19,406 --> 04:47:21,408
of the planning board conditions and

5820
04:47:21,408 --> 04:47:23,410
the language that you put

5821
04:47:23,410 --> 04:47:25,379
in the resolutions in the program

5822
04:47:25,379 --> 04:47:27,381
tables that we follow. And so if you

5823
04:47:27,381 --> 04:47:29,781
don't --if you don't

5824
04:47:30,384 --> 04:47:31,385
get an opportunity to see those

5825
04:47:31,385 --> 04:47:33,387
plans after staff reports have submitted

5826
04:47:33,387 --> 04:47:34,388
them

5827
04:47:34,388 --> 04:47:36,390
to you, and they've been certified,

5828
04:47:36,390 --> 04:47:38,390
we brought an

5829
04:47:38,392 --> 04:47:39,393
example of some of the plans that

5830
04:47:39,393 --> 04:47:41,393
we

5831
04:47:41,395 --> 04:47:42,396
often refer to when our inspectors

5832
04:47:42,396 --> 04:47:43,397
were out in the

5833
04:47:43,397 --> 04:47:45,399
field, and those are sitting in front

5834
04:47:45,399 --> 04:47:48,999
of us right now. Go ahead.

5835
04:47:54,408 --> 04:47:57,377
what we want to emphasize

5836
04:47:57,377 --> 04:47:59,377
with regards

5837
04:48:00,380 --> 04:48:01,381
to framework and

5838
04:48:01,381 --> 04:48:03,383
objectives. The mou gives us predictability. It

5839
04:48:03,383 --> 04:48:05,383
provides us clear

5840
04:48:06,386 --> 04:48:07,387
handoffs, and there is

5841
04:48:07,387 --> 04:48:09,389
no duplication. This framework is

5842
04:48:09,389 --> 04:48:10,390
less about bureaucracy

5843
04:48:10,390 --> 04:48:12,392
and more about preventing gaps. Gaps

5844
04:48:12,392 --> 04:48:14,392
that

5845
04:48:15,395 --> 04:48:17,395
show up later

5846
04:48:18,398 --> 04:48:21,398
as complaints, delays, or displacement

5847
04:48:21,401 --> 04:48:24,401
disputes. Talks about collaboration between

5848
04:48:24,404 --> 04:48:26,404
our agencies,

5849
04:48:27,407 --> 04:48:30,377
and it dictates to us how

5850
04:48:30,377 --> 04:48:32,377
we

5851
04:48:32,379 --> 04:48:33,380
enforce conditions, when our inspectors

5852
04:48:33,380 --> 04:48:34,381
discovered what you put

5853
04:48:34,381 --> 04:48:36,383
in the resolution, and the program

5854
04:48:36,383 --> 04:48:39,383
table differ than what is

5855
04:48:39,386 --> 04:48:42,389
being constructed in the field and

5856
04:48:42,389 --> 04:48:45,392
how we correct those, how we

5857
04:48:45,392 --> 04:48:48,395
make corrections to those mistakes. You

5858
04:48:48,395 --> 04:48:50,795
can go to the

5859
04:48:51,398 --> 04:48:53,400
next one. The objectives, we

5860
04:48:53,400 --> 04:48:57,000
want to clarify agency roles. Ensure

5861
04:48:57,404 --> 04:48:59,406
consistency in compliance of planning

5862
04:48:59,406 --> 04:49:00,407
board conditions. Provide a structured

5863
04:49:00,407 --> 04:49:01,408
response

5864
04:49:01,408 --> 04:49:06,208
to community complaints, and promote inner agency efficiencies.

5865
04:49:06,380 --> 04:49:08,780
okay. You can go.

5866
04:49:14,388 --> 04:49:17,388
about responsibilities under the mou.

5867
04:49:18,392 --> 04:49:20,392
planning

5868
04:49:21,395 --> 04:49:23,395
sets

5869
04:49:24,398 --> 04:49:25,399
the conditions. You guys

5870
04:49:25,399 --> 04:49:26,400
receive suggested, suggestions from

5871
04:49:26,400 --> 04:49:27,401
planning staff. You deliberate and

5872
04:49:27,401 --> 04:49:29,801
you decide what you

5873
04:49:30,404 --> 04:49:32,804
will amend and what

5874
04:49:33,407 --> 04:49:36,410
you will keep. And what happens is

5875
04:49:36,410 --> 04:49:38,410
in those certified

5876
04:49:39,379 --> 04:49:40,380
plans, transmitted to us

5877
04:49:40,380 --> 04:49:42,382
electronically. You review permits

5878
04:49:42,382 --> 04:49:43,383
for conformity, provide

5879
04:49:43,383 --> 04:49:44,384
electronic access, and participate

5880
04:49:44,384 --> 04:49:45,385
in scheduled coordination. So if it

5881
04:49:45,385 --> 04:49:47,385
is

5882
04:49:47,387 --> 04:49:48,388
not with you, that stuff, we are definitely

5883
04:49:48,388 --> 04:49:50,388
meeting with

5884
04:49:51,391 --> 04:49:53,391
jason

5885
04:49:54,394 --> 04:49:56,396
and robert and their staff. Yep. So

5886
04:49:56,396 --> 04:49:57,397
dps ensures those conditions were

5887
04:49:57,397 --> 04:49:59,397
met in the

5888
04:50:00,400 --> 04:50:02,400
field, and we

5889
04:50:03,403 --> 04:50:04,404
do this through

5890
04:50:04,404 --> 04:50:06,404
inspections, regularly coordinated

5891
04:50:06,406 --> 04:50:08,406
meetings within

5892
04:50:09,409 --> 04:50:11,378
our department and

5893
04:50:11,378 --> 04:50:12,379
with planning. And we perform investigations with

5894
04:50:12,379 --> 04:50:14,379
regards to

5895
04:50:14,381 --> 04:50:15,382
deviations from what is being constructed

5896
04:50:15,382 --> 04:50:17,382
in the field,

5897
04:50:18,385 --> 04:50:20,387
and then we coordinate with

5898
04:50:20,387 --> 04:50:24,587
planning staff for bond releases and reviews.

5899
04:50:30,397 --> 04:50:32,397
it

5900
04:50:33,400 --> 04:50:35,402
is not, it is routine and not reactive. We

5901
04:50:35,402 --> 04:50:36,403
have weekly, monthly, and quarterly

5902
04:50:36,403 --> 04:50:38,403
touch points,

5903
04:50:39,406 --> 04:50:40,407
which means

5904
04:50:40,407 --> 04:50:42,409
issues are addressed early. Before

5905
04:50:42,409 --> 04:50:43,410
they escalate. You don't hear about

5906
04:50:43,410 --> 04:50:44,378
most

5907
04:50:44,378 --> 04:50:45,379
of these because they were resolved before

5908
04:50:45,379 --> 04:50:47,779
they become problems. So

5909
04:50:48,382 --> 04:50:50,384
right here is where

5910
04:50:50,384 --> 04:50:56,384
we talk about this slide, highlights those key coordination channels.

5911
04:51:00,394 --> 04:51:02,396
before the projects reach the

5912
04:51:02,396 --> 04:51:03,397
planning board, drc will meet with

5913
04:51:03,397 --> 04:51:04,398
all

5914
04:51:04,398 --> 04:51:06,400
of the relevant agencies and utilities

5915
04:51:06,400 --> 04:51:09,403
and anyone involved in the regulatory

5916
04:51:09,403 --> 04:51:11,403
process to

5917
04:51:12,406 --> 04:51:14,806
meet with the applicants

5918
04:51:15,409 --> 04:51:18,378
and discuss the over--the overlapping regulatory

5919
04:51:18,378 --> 04:51:20,378
issues that

5920
04:51:21,381 --> 04:51:22,382
may impact their project. Then we

5921
04:51:22,382 --> 04:51:23,383
have inner

5922
04:51:23,383 --> 04:51:24,384
agency inspection leadership. This

5923
04:51:24,384 --> 04:51:26,384
is josh k.,

5924
04:51:27,387 --> 04:51:30,390
this is greg and brian. And they

5925
04:51:30,390 --> 04:51:31,391
meet regularly to talk about emerging

5926
04:51:31,391 --> 04:51:32,392
issues

5927
04:51:32,392 --> 04:51:33,393
that are happening on the ground. On

5928
04:51:33,393 --> 04:51:35,393
thursday

5929
04:51:36,396 --> 04:51:38,396
morning, we have

5930
04:51:39,399 --> 04:51:40,400
a senior management meeting internally

5931
04:51:40,400 --> 04:51:42,402
with dps, with josh, and that is where

5932
04:51:42,402 --> 04:51:44,404
we take one of these projects

5933
04:51:44,404 --> 04:51:45,405
and one of these plans, and we peel

5934
04:51:45,405 --> 04:51:48,408
back the onion and go in depth,

5935
04:51:48,408 --> 04:51:50,377
and we talk about what is

5936
04:51:50,377 --> 04:51:54,381
happening today, what are the emerging issues

5937
04:51:54,381 --> 04:51:57,981
that we need to address, and

5938
04:52:00,387 --> 04:52:03,387
how was the project progressing?

5939
04:52:03,390 --> 04:52:05,390
beyond the

5940
04:52:06,393 --> 04:52:09,396
mou, and we're talk to talk

5941
04:52:09,396 --> 04:52:12,396
about how the mou between

5942
04:52:12,399 --> 04:52:13,400
the ways will become operationallized. Coordination

5943
04:52:13,400 --> 04:52:17,000
here is routine and not reactive.

5944
04:52:21,408 --> 04:52:24,378
excuse me, I just said

5945
04:52:24,378 --> 04:52:26,380
that. This is where policy becomes inspection. Multiple

5946
04:52:26,380 --> 04:52:27,381
touch points per month means we're

5947
04:52:27,381 --> 04:52:29,781
not waiting for complaints

5948
04:52:30,384 --> 04:52:33,387
to tell us something is wrong. We

5949
04:52:33,387 --> 04:52:34,388
found out about them early, and

5950
04:52:34,388 --> 04:52:36,390
then we communicate across agencies

5951
04:52:36,390 --> 04:52:38,390
to determine

5952
04:52:39,393 --> 04:52:42,393
what the best action is

5953
04:52:42,396 --> 04:52:45,396
to bring the developer into

5954
04:52:45,399 --> 04:52:47,399
compliance. Okay, you

5955
04:52:48,402 --> 04:52:51,405
can go to the next one. It

5956
04:52:51,405 --> 04:52:53,405
shows what compliance

5957
04:52:54,408 --> 04:52:57,377
looks like on the ground. It's

5958
04:52:57,377 --> 04:52:59,377
about adherence

5959
04:53:00,380 --> 04:53:01,381
to the resolution program table. Construction

5960
04:53:01,381 --> 04:53:02,382
compliance

5961
04:53:02,382 --> 04:53:04,384
is about sequencing. Doing the right

5962
04:53:04,384 --> 04:53:07,384
things in the right order.

5963
04:53:07,387 --> 04:53:09,787
team coordination is what

5964
04:53:10,390 --> 04:53:12,392
keeps this from becoming siloed,

5965
04:53:12,392 --> 04:53:15,395
so we partner with dot, planning,

5966
04:53:15,395 --> 04:53:18,995
right of way, our developers, our

5967
04:53:19,399 --> 04:53:21,799
engineers, and our utility

5968
04:53:22,402 --> 04:53:24,404
companies to make sure

5969
04:53:24,404 --> 04:53:25,405
these projects are being constructed

5970
04:53:25,405 --> 04:53:27,405
in a

5971
04:53:28,408 --> 04:53:31,378
manner that you have outlined in

5972
04:53:31,378 --> 04:53:33,378
your

5973
04:53:33,380 --> 04:53:36,380
resolution and your program tables.

5974
04:53:37,384 --> 04:53:39,384
weekly briefing, this

5975
04:53:40,387 --> 04:53:41,388
is not a check box

5976
04:53:41,388 --> 04:53:43,390
meeting. It's where emerging risks surface

5977
04:53:43,390 --> 04:53:45,390
early. And

5978
04:53:45,392 --> 04:53:46,393
this is where we deeply and in depth

5979
04:53:46,393 --> 04:53:48,393
discuss what

5980
04:53:49,396 --> 04:53:51,398
is going on, on

5981
04:53:51,398 --> 04:53:52,399
the ground, and determining what we

5982
04:53:52,399 --> 04:53:54,399
need

5983
04:53:54,401 --> 04:53:55,402
to do to correct those violations

5984
04:53:55,402 --> 04:53:56,403
that we

5985
04:53:56,403 --> 04:53:58,405
find or those failed inspections that

5986
04:53:58,405 --> 04:54:00,405
we find

5987
04:54:01,408 --> 04:54:02,409
out in the field. What this

5988
04:54:02,409 --> 04:54:05,379
is, senior management visibility. It

5989
04:54:05,379 --> 04:54:07,381
is intentional, and it reinforces

5990
04:54:07,381 --> 04:54:08,382
accountability. So not

5991
04:54:08,382 --> 04:54:10,384
only are inspectors and the frontline

5992
04:54:10,384 --> 04:54:12,384
managers involved in

5993
04:54:12,386 --> 04:54:13,387
making sure these certified site plans

5994
04:54:13,387 --> 04:54:15,387
are

5995
04:54:15,389 --> 04:54:16,390
complied with, but I, as a division

5996
04:54:16,390 --> 04:54:18,390
chief,

5997
04:54:19,393 --> 04:54:21,393
are actively involved

5998
04:54:25,399 --> 04:54:27,399
in ensuring that

5999
04:54:28,402 --> 04:54:30,802
happens also. Most problems

6000
04:54:31,405 --> 04:54:32,406
are preventable with

6001
04:54:32,406 --> 04:54:34,408
early clarity. Early meetings, clear

6002
04:54:34,408 --> 04:54:36,408
language, and dashboards

6003
04:54:37,377 --> 04:54:40,380
have reduced friction out in the

6004
04:54:40,380 --> 04:54:41,381
field. Clear site plan language

6005
04:54:41,381 --> 04:54:43,383
saves everyone time. That includes

6006
04:54:43,383 --> 04:54:44,384
the inspectors in the

6007
04:54:44,384 --> 04:54:46,386
applicants in planning, so thank you

6008
04:54:46,386 --> 04:54:47,387
very much

6009
04:54:47,387 --> 04:54:49,389
to planning staff for making sure

6010
04:54:49,389 --> 04:54:51,389
that

6011
04:54:52,392 --> 04:54:54,792
we have clear and

6012
04:54:55,395 --> 04:54:57,397
defensible language, when we

6013
04:54:57,397 --> 04:54:58,398
are holding our developers, people

6014
04:54:58,398 --> 04:54:59,399
out in the field,

6015
04:54:59,399 --> 04:55:01,401
holding them accountable for what

6016
04:55:01,401 --> 04:55:03,401
you

6017
04:55:04,404 --> 04:55:07,407
have put down on these plans. I'm

6018
04:55:07,407 --> 04:55:08,408
just going to go through three

6019
04:55:08,408 --> 04:55:10,410
projects that show how these projects

6020
04:55:10,410 --> 04:55:12,410
show

6021
04:55:13,380 --> 04:55:15,380
the program and

6022
04:55:15,382 --> 04:55:16,383
how it works at scale. One of them

6023
04:55:16,383 --> 04:55:18,383
is

6024
04:55:19,386 --> 04:55:21,786
a project that came

6025
04:55:22,389 --> 04:55:24,389
online about ten

6026
04:55:25,392 --> 04:55:28,392
years ago, which is the

6027
04:55:28,395 --> 04:55:31,398
premium outfits. And this is without

6028
04:55:31,398 --> 04:55:33,398
reading everything

6029
04:55:33,400 --> 04:55:36,403
on the slide, what they brought into

6030
04:55:36,403 --> 04:55:40,407
the northern part of the county is

6031
04:55:40,407 --> 04:55:41,408
an economic hub that brought jobs

6032
04:55:41,408 --> 04:55:43,408
and provides

6033
04:55:43,410 --> 04:55:45,410
positive economic output

6034
04:55:49,383 --> 04:55:51,783
for the county today.

6035
04:55:52,386 --> 04:55:54,386
it is

6036
04:55:55,389 --> 04:55:57,391
much more closer to this board's

6037
04:55:57,391 --> 04:55:58,392
membership. It's the marriott headquarters. You

6038
04:55:58,392 --> 04:56:00,392
can go

6039
04:56:01,395 --> 04:56:02,396
to the next one. What marriott headquarters brings,

6040
04:56:02,396 --> 04:56:04,396
if

6041
04:56:04,398 --> 04:56:07,398
you think about the brand

6042
04:56:07,401 --> 04:56:10,404
of marriott, we are talking about

6043
04:56:10,404 --> 04:56:12,804
people associate marriott with

6044
04:56:13,407 --> 04:56:14,408
success. People associate marriott

6045
04:56:14,408 --> 04:56:15,409
with successful

6046
04:56:15,409 --> 04:56:18,378
people, bringing in money, people

6047
04:56:18,378 --> 04:56:19,379
who are going on vacation, people

6048
04:56:19,379 --> 04:56:21,779
who are having corporate

6049
04:56:22,382 --> 04:56:24,382
meetings, and

6050
04:56:25,385 --> 04:56:27,785
to have marriott headquarters

6051
04:56:28,388 --> 04:56:30,788
in bethesda, showcases how

6052
04:56:31,391 --> 04:56:32,392
planning has successfully brought

6053
04:56:32,392 --> 04:56:33,393
a marquee

6054
04:56:33,393 --> 04:56:34,394
organization into bethesda. What bethesda

6055
04:56:34,394 --> 04:56:36,794
and the location of

6056
04:56:37,397 --> 04:56:38,398
the marriott headquarters also brings

6057
04:56:38,398 --> 04:56:39,399
is an

6058
04:56:39,399 --> 04:56:40,400
international organization, and we're

6059
04:56:40,400 --> 04:56:42,400
talking about

6060
04:56:42,402 --> 04:56:46,200
the climate action plan, trying to

6061
04:56:46,406 --> 04:56:48,408
reduce vehicle miles traveled

6062
04:56:48,408 --> 04:56:49,409
and providing a workplace that would

6063
04:56:49,409 --> 04:56:51,378
then a

6064
04:56:51,378 --> 04:56:55,382
mile radius that people have access to

6065
04:56:55,382 --> 04:56:57,382
restaurants, have access

6066
04:56:57,384 --> 04:56:58,385
to shopping, have access to schools. All

6067
04:56:58,385 --> 04:57:00,385
the things

6068
04:57:01,388 --> 04:57:04,388
that are necessary to have

6069
04:57:04,391 --> 04:57:07,391
a community. They are also

6070
04:57:07,394 --> 04:57:08,395
located near a

6071
04:57:08,395 --> 04:57:10,397
hub of transportation with the bethesda

6072
04:57:10,397 --> 04:57:13,397
metro center and seeing the

6073
04:57:13,400 --> 04:57:15,402
purple line. So what we have brought

6074
04:57:15,402 --> 04:57:16,403
here is an employer, an international employer,

6075
04:57:16,403 --> 04:57:18,403
and

6076
04:57:19,406 --> 04:57:21,406
they have set

6077
04:57:22,409 --> 04:57:24,409
up shop here

6078
04:57:25,379 --> 04:57:27,779
in montgomery county. Then

6079
04:57:28,382 --> 04:57:30,384
the next one, bethesda. So for

6080
04:57:30,384 --> 04:57:31,385
us here, this is a pretty complex

6081
04:57:31,385 --> 04:57:33,385
project that

6082
04:57:33,387 --> 04:57:34,388
goes to the next page. This is the

6083
04:57:34,388 --> 04:57:37,388
scope of the project here.

6084
04:57:37,391 --> 04:57:39,391
it's

6085
04:57:39,393 --> 04:57:40,394
one thing that we notice, we have

6086
04:57:40,394 --> 04:57:42,394
two developers we

6087
04:57:43,397 --> 04:57:49,403
are working with. So the project is pretty close to finish.

6088
04:57:49,403 --> 04:57:52,403
what has happened is we

6089
04:57:52,406 --> 04:57:54,406
have had to

6090
04:57:55,409 --> 04:57:58,378
tag team and make sure our staff ensuring that

6091
04:57:58,378 --> 04:58:01,378
two developers are meeting their

6092
04:58:01,381 --> 04:58:02,382
triggers, that they are adhering to

6093
04:58:02,382 --> 04:58:04,382
the resolution

6094
04:58:04,384 --> 04:58:06,384
in the program

6095
04:58:07,387 --> 04:58:09,387
tables that

6096
04:58:09,389 --> 04:58:13,393
you guys have for us. By the numbers.

6097
04:58:13,393 --> 04:58:15,393
so

6098
04:58:16,396 --> 04:58:19,399
this slide gives you a sense of scale and rhythm,

6099
04:58:19,399 --> 04:58:22,399
how this is being exercised,

6100
04:58:22,402 --> 04:58:24,402
not that

6101
04:58:25,405 --> 04:58:28,408
it just exists. So these numbers

6102
04:58:28,408 --> 04:58:30,808
reflect routine activity and

6103
04:58:31,378 --> 04:58:33,378
not exceptions. They

6104
04:58:33,380 --> 04:58:34,381
show ongoing oversight, not enforcement. And

6105
04:58:34,381 --> 04:58:36,381
the

6106
04:58:36,383 --> 04:58:37,384
program is active across multiple

6107
04:58:37,384 --> 04:58:39,384
projects

6108
04:58:39,386 --> 04:58:43,390
at the same time. So the takeaway

6109
04:58:43,390 --> 04:58:45,790
here isn't the individual

6110
04:58:46,393 --> 04:58:48,793
figures. It's that this

6111
04:58:51,398 --> 04:58:52,399
program operates throughout the year. Each

6112
04:58:52,399 --> 04:58:54,399
of the question,

6113
04:58:55,402 --> 04:58:57,402
why

6114
04:58:57,404 --> 04:59:01,400
this matters beyond our two agencies.

6115
04:59:04,378 --> 04:59:06,378
fewer downstream

6116
04:59:06,380 --> 04:59:07,381
interpretation issues. More predictability

6117
04:59:07,381 --> 04:59:09,381
and

6118
04:59:10,384 --> 04:59:12,784
fewer surprises late in

6119
04:59:13,387 --> 04:59:14,388
construction. And earlier issue identification reduced

6120
04:59:14,388 --> 04:59:17,388
the work more efficient resolution.

6121
04:59:19,393 --> 04:59:21,393
because coordination

6122
04:59:22,396 --> 04:59:23,397
happens early, issues surface sooner. And

6123
04:59:23,397 --> 04:59:25,397
the

6124
04:59:25,399 --> 04:59:26,400
public benefit here is confidence. That

6125
04:59:26,400 --> 04:59:28,400
what

6126
04:59:28,402 --> 04:59:30,402
is approved

6127
04:59:31,405 --> 04:59:34,405
is actually what gets built.

6128
04:59:34,408 --> 04:59:36,408
if

6129
04:59:36,410 --> 04:59:37,411
there is one takeaway today that after

6130
04:59:37,411 --> 04:59:39,811
going through the previous

6131
04:59:40,380 --> 04:59:42,382
22 slides, if you can take away

6132
04:59:42,382 --> 04:59:44,384
anything today from what I've delivered here

6133
04:59:44,384 --> 04:59:46,384
is

6134
04:59:46,386 --> 04:59:48,388
that the importance of collaboration

6135
04:59:48,388 --> 04:59:50,390
between our two agencies is what has

6136
04:59:50,390 --> 04:59:52,390
made

6137
04:59:53,393 --> 04:59:55,395
this program a success. The mou

6138
04:59:55,395 --> 04:59:58,395
was entered into 2006. The iteration

6139
04:59:59,399 --> 05:00:00,400
of the mou

6140
05:00:00,400 --> 05:00:02,402
was signed in 2018. We are currently

6141
05:00:02,402 --> 05:00:04,402
in

6142
05:00:05,405 --> 05:00:07,805
the process of revising

6143
05:00:08,408 --> 05:00:11,378
the mou for the front

6144
05:00:11,378 --> 05:00:13,378
planning board

6145
05:00:14,381 --> 05:00:16,383
chair and the two directors to

6146
05:00:16,383 --> 05:00:19,386
sign in the coming months. But the

6147
05:00:19,386 --> 05:00:20,387
slide may read as self-evident, but

6148
05:00:20,387 --> 05:00:22,387
in practice, it's

6149
05:00:23,390 --> 05:00:26,390
the hardest thing to sustain.

6150
05:00:26,393 --> 05:00:28,393
so now

6151
05:00:29,396 --> 05:00:31,396
I am going

6152
05:00:32,399 --> 05:00:34,399
to end

6153
05:00:34,401 --> 05:00:35,402
the slide show here. Dps appreciates

6154
05:00:35,402 --> 05:00:37,402
the

6155
05:00:37,404 --> 05:00:41,400
division of zoning, appreciates the opportunity

6156
05:00:41,408 --> 05:00:43,410
to present the mou and our

6157
05:00:43,410 --> 05:00:44,378
code compliance inspection program. After

6158
05:00:44,378 --> 05:00:47,978
all, dps is your project partner.

6159
05:00:53,387 --> 05:00:55,387
>> I like that,

6160
05:00:55,389 --> 05:00:56,390
thank you. I needed that.

6161
05:00:56,390 --> 05:00:57,391
>> yeah,

6162
05:00:57,391 --> 05:00:59,391
thank

6163
05:00:59,393 --> 05:01:01,393
you

6164
05:01:02,396 --> 05:01:05,396
so much in explaining the

6165
05:01:05,399 --> 05:01:08,399
process, letting us know that

6166
05:01:08,402 --> 05:01:10,404
it is not just periodic points

6167
05:01:10,404 --> 05:01:14,408
that you go out and check the continuous checking,

6168
05:01:14,408 --> 05:01:15,409
and that

6169
05:01:15,409 --> 05:01:17,411
our teams are working together. And

6170
05:01:17,411 --> 05:01:19,411
so what

6171
05:01:23,383 --> 05:01:25,383
I heard you

6172
05:01:26,386 --> 05:01:28,388
say is the planning

6173
05:01:28,388 --> 05:01:31,391
and the dps people are interacting

6174
05:01:31,391 --> 05:01:32,392
--you said every ten days? Is that

6175
05:01:32,392 --> 05:01:34,792
what it is? Did

6176
05:01:35,395 --> 05:01:36,396
I get that right?

6177
05:01:36,396 --> 05:01:38,396
>> no,

6178
05:01:38,398 --> 05:01:40,400
what he was referring to is we

6179
05:01:40,400 --> 05:01:43,403
have a program now. Mou stipulates

6180
05:01:43,403 --> 05:01:44,404
that we inspect all active certified

6181
05:01:44,404 --> 05:01:46,404
site plan projects

6182
05:01:47,407 --> 05:01:48,408
within once every ten days.

6183
05:01:48,408 --> 05:01:49,409
>> okay. >>

6184
05:01:49,409 --> 05:01:50,410
now,

6185
05:01:50,410 --> 05:01:51,378
when projects are closing in on triggers

6186
05:01:51,378 --> 05:01:52,379
like they're trying to get

6187
05:01:52,379 --> 05:01:53,380
all their landscaping in, they're

6188
05:01:53,380 --> 05:01:56,383
trying to get all their amenities

6189
05:01:56,383 --> 05:01:57,384
in, or they're trying to

6190
05:01:57,384 --> 05:01:59,386
reach a certain milestone. Our guys

6191
05:01:59,386 --> 05:02:01,388
might have to go out there

6192
05:02:01,388 --> 05:02:02,389
every day, right?

6193
05:02:02,389 --> 05:02:03,390
>> right. >> but

6194
05:02:03,390 --> 05:02:05,390
by the

6195
05:02:05,392 --> 05:02:07,792
mou, we have to

6196
05:02:08,395 --> 05:02:10,795
go out on all

6197
05:02:11,398 --> 05:02:12,399
active projects once every

6198
05:02:12,399 --> 05:02:14,401
ten days. And even with guys that

6199
05:02:14,401 --> 05:02:16,403
are having to fill in

6200
05:02:16,403 --> 05:02:17,404
for one another. Somebody goes on

6201
05:02:17,404 --> 05:02:18,405
extended leave. They

6202
05:02:18,405 --> 05:02:20,407
can all see that dashboard, and that's

6203
05:02:20,407 --> 05:02:22,407
the dashboard kind

6204
05:02:22,409 --> 05:02:23,410
of thing they're talking about. That

6205
05:02:23,410 --> 05:02:25,410
way we

6206
05:02:26,380 --> 05:02:28,380
never get behind

6207
05:02:29,383 --> 05:02:30,384
on that.

6208
05:02:30,384 --> 05:02:31,385
>> okay,

6209
05:02:31,385 --> 05:02:32,386
great. Great. That's great to know. It

6210
05:02:32,386 --> 05:02:34,386
was the developer

6211
05:02:35,389 --> 05:02:37,389
side and not

6212
05:02:38,392 --> 05:02:39,393
on

6213
05:02:39,393 --> 05:02:41,395
the construction side. Where would

6214
05:02:41,395 --> 05:02:43,395
josh plug

6215
05:02:44,398 --> 05:02:45,399
in to this project?

6216
05:02:45,399 --> 05:02:47,399
>> so

6217
05:02:47,401 --> 05:02:48,402
josh works, obviously

6218
05:02:48,402 --> 05:02:50,404
with robert. He works with christine,

6219
05:02:50,404 --> 05:02:52,404
right? And what's

6220
05:02:52,406 --> 05:02:53,407
that division called? She's intake? I

6221
05:02:53,407 --> 05:02:55,407
call it

6222
05:02:55,409 --> 05:02:56,410
intake.

6223
05:02:56,410 --> 05:02:58,378
>> it's environmental climate now. >>

6224
05:02:58,378 --> 05:02:59,379
okay, it's environmental climate now. So

6225
05:02:59,379 --> 05:03:01,379
josh and

6226
05:03:02,382 --> 05:03:05,382
his staff do the forest

6227
05:03:05,385 --> 05:03:06,386
conservation, okay? And they do all

6228
05:03:06,386 --> 05:03:07,387
preliminary, preliminary plan compliance.

6229
05:03:07,387 --> 05:03:08,388
>>

6230
05:03:08,388 --> 05:03:09,389
okay.

6231
05:03:09,389 --> 05:03:10,390
>> we insist in

6232
05:03:10,390 --> 05:03:11,391
that. They help us sometimes. We assist

6233
05:03:11,391 --> 05:03:14,394
them sometimes. But he is sort

6234
05:03:14,394 --> 05:03:16,394
of a go

6235
05:03:17,397 --> 05:03:19,399
between. He's your liaison when it

6236
05:03:19,399 --> 05:03:20,400
comes to between staff and our concerns.

6237
05:03:20,400 --> 05:03:21,401
>>

6238
05:03:21,401 --> 05:03:22,402
right.

6239
05:03:22,402 --> 05:03:23,403
>>

6240
05:03:23,403 --> 05:03:24,404
the forest conservation.

6241
05:03:24,404 --> 05:03:25,405
>> I have

6242
05:03:25,405 --> 05:03:26,406
worked with

6243
05:03:26,406 --> 05:03:28,408
josh. We've known each other for well over

6244
05:03:28,408 --> 05:03:29,409
20 years. So yeah, we collaborate

6245
05:03:29,409 --> 05:03:30,410
in that respect. If we see

6246
05:03:30,410 --> 05:03:32,379
a problem, you know, we want to bounce

6247
05:03:32,379 --> 05:03:33,380
it off of josh and he

6248
05:03:33,380 --> 05:03:35,382
bounces off of staff. We want to stay

6249
05:03:35,382 --> 05:03:37,382
on the

6250
05:03:37,384 --> 05:03:38,385
same page.

6251
05:03:38,385 --> 05:03:39,386
>> right. >> the mou allows

6252
05:03:39,386 --> 05:03:40,387
anyone at

6253
05:03:40,387 --> 05:03:41,388
any time to escalate something, if they don't

6254
05:03:41,388 --> 05:03:42,389
agree with

6255
05:03:42,389 --> 05:03:43,390
one of our decisions. They could come

6256
05:03:43,390 --> 05:03:44,391
to staff and they can escalate it. But

6257
05:03:44,391 --> 05:03:46,391
what

6258
05:03:46,393 --> 05:03:47,394
we try to do, we make sure we're on

6259
05:03:47,394 --> 05:03:49,394
the same page

6260
05:03:49,396 --> 05:03:50,397
so that that rarely happens.

6261
05:03:50,397 --> 05:03:51,398
>> okay,

6262
05:03:51,398 --> 05:03:52,399
great. And

6263
05:03:52,399 --> 05:03:53,400
I know those mous are always hard

6264
05:03:53,400 --> 05:03:55,400
to, you know,

6265
05:03:55,402 --> 05:03:56,403
put together an update, but they are so important

6266
05:03:56,403 --> 05:03:58,403
at the end

6267
05:03:58,405 --> 05:03:59,406
of the day, so thank you that you

6268
05:03:59,406 --> 05:04:01,806
guys work so hard

6269
05:04:02,409 --> 05:04:03,410
together to keep it, you

6270
05:04:03,410 --> 05:04:05,379
know, up to date periodically. Thank

6271
05:04:05,379 --> 05:04:07,379
you

6272
05:04:08,382 --> 05:04:09,383
so much.

6273
05:04:09,383 --> 05:04:11,385
>> mr. Chair, I would add

6274
05:04:11,385 --> 05:04:13,387
that we think the initiators of

6275
05:04:13,387 --> 05:04:14,388
the mou back in 2006. So the continuity

6276
05:04:14,388 --> 05:04:17,388
has been there. We do

6277
05:04:17,391 --> 05:04:18,392
bring it and update it

6278
05:04:18,392 --> 05:04:20,394
as much as possible. Usually it's

6279
05:04:20,394 --> 05:04:23,397
every two to three years that we're

6280
05:04:23,397 --> 05:04:26,400
updating it. I think the most recent

6281
05:04:26,400 --> 05:04:28,402
one, and I would say they are

6282
05:04:28,402 --> 05:04:29,403
graciously agreed to interpret our expedited

6283
05:04:29,403 --> 05:04:31,405
plan approvals as a site plan, so

6284
05:04:31,405 --> 05:04:32,406
this is something that we have added

6285
05:04:32,406 --> 05:04:34,408
to the mou because

6286
05:04:34,408 --> 05:04:35,409
it is not technically a site plan,

6287
05:04:35,409 --> 05:04:37,409
but

6288
05:04:38,378 --> 05:04:39,379
it will have the same context and

6289
05:04:39,379 --> 05:04:40,380
the

6290
05:04:40,380 --> 05:04:41,381
same formality that they do. So things

6291
05:04:41,381 --> 05:04:43,381
like that,

6292
05:04:44,384 --> 05:04:46,784
we would add to

6293
05:04:47,387 --> 05:04:49,787
the m, ozarks in

6294
05:04:50,390 --> 05:04:51,391
terms of clarity and what.

6295
05:04:51,391 --> 05:04:52,392
>> anything

6296
05:04:52,392 --> 05:04:53,393
else?

6297
05:04:53,393 --> 05:04:54,394
>> I

6298
05:04:54,394 --> 05:04:56,396
just wanted to add something.

6299
05:04:56,396 --> 05:04:58,396
what dps does

6300
05:04:59,399 --> 05:05:01,399
at the zoning

6301
05:05:02,402 --> 05:05:05,405
that victor just explained. Only the

6302
05:05:05,405 --> 05:05:08,405
conditions that we received that

6303
05:05:08,408 --> 05:05:09,409
they review, and then those conditions are approved,

6304
05:05:09,409 --> 05:05:11,378
and

6305
05:05:11,378 --> 05:05:13,378
it goes

6306
05:05:14,381 --> 05:05:15,382
to the resolution. It is like given

6307
05:05:15,382 --> 05:05:17,384
to them religiously. I know that at

6308
05:05:17,384 --> 05:05:20,384
one time, we were trying

6309
05:05:20,387 --> 05:05:22,389
to have it in a way

6310
05:05:22,389 --> 05:05:23,390
that all of those conditions be readily

6311
05:05:23,390 --> 05:05:26,390
available for the inspector that

6312
05:05:26,393 --> 05:05:29,396
will go to the field to see

6313
05:05:29,396 --> 05:05:31,398
that if they are in compliance. So

6314
05:05:31,398 --> 05:05:32,399
the enforcement is on them. We just

6315
05:05:32,399 --> 05:05:34,399
sign it

6316
05:05:35,402 --> 05:05:38,405
on the paper and it goes. They

6317
05:05:38,405 --> 05:05:41,405
make sure it happens. This

6318
05:05:41,408 --> 05:05:43,408
group of

6319
05:05:44,411 --> 05:05:47,381
inspector for zoning, they are basically

6320
05:05:47,381 --> 05:05:48,382
for these requirements because dps on

6321
05:05:48,382 --> 05:05:50,382
top

6322
05:05:50,384 --> 05:05:52,384
of that

6323
05:05:53,387 --> 05:05:56,387
has lots of other inspectors

6324
05:05:56,390 --> 05:05:59,390
that they do the commercials

6325
05:05:59,393 --> 05:06:01,393
and presentations, and

6326
05:06:01,395 --> 05:06:02,396
electrical and mechanical. So these

6327
05:06:02,396 --> 05:06:05,399
group of inspectors are on top

6328
05:06:05,399 --> 05:06:08,399
of the other inspectors that

6329
05:06:08,402 --> 05:06:10,402
dps has to

6330
05:06:11,405 --> 05:06:14,408
make sure that everything is being

6331
05:06:14,408 --> 05:06:17,411
put it in place and is built to the regulations. It

6332
05:06:17,411 --> 05:06:20,380
is built according to the approved plan. Not

6333
05:06:20,380 --> 05:06:21,381
just the site plan to the approved

6334
05:06:21,381 --> 05:06:23,381
plan. And

6335
05:06:23,383 --> 05:06:27,387
the other thing that dps does that

6336
05:06:27,387 --> 05:06:29,387
is very

6337
05:06:30,390 --> 05:06:32,790
important, all the impact

6338
05:06:33,393 --> 05:06:35,393
taxes. Everything else

6339
05:06:36,396 --> 05:06:37,397
that we, you know, our planning department have

6340
05:06:37,397 --> 05:06:40,997
on the policies that they collect.

6341
05:06:43,403 --> 05:06:45,405
and the difficult part is they don't all

6342
05:06:45,405 --> 05:06:46,406
collect it right

6343
05:06:46,406 --> 05:06:48,408
when the application goes in. There

6344
05:06:48,408 --> 05:06:50,408
are a

6345
05:06:50,410 --> 05:06:51,378
lot of different stages that I don't

6346
05:06:51,378 --> 05:06:53,380
even know, that I

6347
05:06:53,380 --> 05:06:54,381
know that because they discuss it

6348
05:06:54,381 --> 05:06:56,381
when

6349
05:06:56,383 --> 05:06:59,386
it's going to be, when those fees

6350
05:06:59,386 --> 05:07:02,389
are going to be collected. It is all

6351
05:07:02,389 --> 05:07:03,390
being collected by dps at the certain

6352
05:07:03,390 --> 05:07:05,790
time. A lot of

6353
05:07:06,393 --> 05:07:08,393
times, we

6354
05:07:08,395 --> 05:07:09,396
say they could not allow certain --

6355
05:07:09,396 --> 05:07:11,796
if you say the

6356
05:07:12,399 --> 05:07:14,399
park should be

6357
05:07:14,401 --> 05:07:15,402
built until 70% of the residential

6358
05:07:15,402 --> 05:07:17,402
is in place

6359
05:07:18,405 --> 05:07:19,406
with the last

6360
05:07:19,406 --> 05:07:21,408
occupancy of the 70th building, that's when

6361
05:07:21,408 --> 05:07:23,410
they are not going

6362
05:07:23,410 --> 05:07:27,381
to give it to them unless the park

6363
05:07:27,381 --> 05:07:29,383
is complete. So it is

6364
05:07:29,383 --> 05:07:33,387
a lot of coordination that they do

6365
05:07:33,387 --> 05:07:35,389
for what the say

6366
05:07:35,389 --> 05:07:36,390
in here and what goes underground thanks

6367
05:07:36,390 --> 05:07:38,390
to

6368
05:07:38,392 --> 05:07:39,393
them, that they follow it through

6369
05:07:39,393 --> 05:07:41,393
with all

6370
05:07:42,396 --> 05:07:44,398
the capable staff that they

6371
05:07:44,398 --> 05:07:48,402
have to help with their inspectors. And

6372
05:07:48,402 --> 05:07:49,403
mostly important with

6373
05:07:49,403 --> 05:07:50,404
the senior management that oversees and

6374
05:07:50,404 --> 05:07:52,406
makes sure they have the tools they

6375
05:07:52,406 --> 05:07:57,206
need to have to guetta had job done.

6376
05:07:57,411 --> 05:08:00,380
>> thank you. Thank you so much.

6377
05:08:00,380 --> 05:08:02,380
thank you

6378
05:08:02,382 --> 05:08:03,383
so much. So we will go onto the next presentation.

6379
05:08:03,383 --> 05:08:04,384
>>

6380
05:08:04,384 --> 05:08:06,384
thank

6381
05:08:06,386 --> 05:08:07,387
you.

6382
05:08:07,387 --> 05:08:10,987
>> thank you so much. Great job.

6383
05:09:12,386 --> 05:09:14,386
>> okay, great. >> so

6384
05:09:15,389 --> 05:09:17,389
I'll turn this

6385
05:09:18,392 --> 05:09:20,792
over to sam. And

6386
05:09:21,395 --> 05:09:23,395
let sam

6387
05:09:23,397 --> 05:09:26,397
introduce his colleagues up here.

6388
05:09:27,401 --> 05:09:29,401
>> yes, so ladies

6389
05:09:29,403 --> 05:09:30,404
and gentlemen of the panel board,

6390
05:09:30,404 --> 05:09:32,404
I'm

6391
05:09:32,406 --> 05:09:33,407
with montgomery county department

6392
05:09:33,407 --> 05:09:35,407
of services,

6393
05:09:36,410 --> 05:09:38,410
land development services

6394
05:09:39,379 --> 05:09:42,979
right of way, the section. With

6395
05:09:45,385 --> 05:09:47,385
me,

6396
05:09:48,388 --> 05:09:50,388
she's got the

6397
05:09:51,391 --> 05:09:53,791
manager for --yes. The

6398
05:09:57,397 --> 05:10:00,397
resource manager over at dps.

6399
05:10:00,400 --> 05:10:02,400
so

6400
05:10:03,403 --> 05:10:06,403
thank you for your time

6401
05:10:06,406 --> 05:10:07,407
and for staff for helping me put

6402
05:10:07,407 --> 05:10:09,409
it this presentation together. We

6403
05:10:09,409 --> 05:10:12,379
find it really helpful and think

6404
05:10:12,379 --> 05:10:14,779
it goes a long

6405
05:10:15,382 --> 05:10:18,385
way. Other thing we wanted to say,

6406
05:10:18,385 --> 05:10:21,385
we packed so much material

6407
05:10:21,388 --> 05:10:23,388
in this presentation,

6408
05:10:23,390 --> 05:10:24,391
and we certainly don't want to have

6409
05:10:24,391 --> 05:10:26,391
it be

6410
05:10:26,393 --> 05:10:27,394
a presentation, so please feel free to

6411
05:10:27,394 --> 05:10:29,394
stop

6412
05:10:30,397 --> 05:10:33,400
me or if you have any

6413
05:10:33,400 --> 05:10:34,401
question or want some clarification

6414
05:10:34,401 --> 05:10:35,402
on

6415
05:10:35,402 --> 05:10:36,403
the items, then we will be more than

6416
05:10:36,403 --> 05:10:38,403
happy to add

6417
05:10:39,406 --> 05:10:41,406
some more clarification

6418
05:10:42,409 --> 05:10:44,409
and explanation to

6419
05:10:45,379 --> 05:10:47,381
make it as clear as possible. So the

6420
05:10:47,381 --> 05:10:48,382
department of permit services, the

6421
05:10:48,382 --> 05:10:53,182
right of way section has three main functions.

6422
05:10:55,389 --> 05:10:58,392
the first one is we take

6423
05:10:58,392 --> 05:11:00,392
part in

6424
05:11:00,394 --> 05:11:02,396
the entitlement process. We participate

6425
05:11:02,396 --> 05:11:04,398
in the development review committee, and

6426
05:11:04,398 --> 05:11:06,398
we

6427
05:11:07,401 --> 05:11:09,401
provide all comments

6428
05:11:10,404 --> 05:11:12,404
that are associated

6429
05:11:13,407 --> 05:11:15,407
with public

6430
05:11:16,410 --> 05:11:17,411
right of way. Montgomery

6431
05:11:17,411 --> 05:11:19,379
county public provides those comments,

6432
05:11:19,379 --> 05:11:21,379
all

6433
05:11:22,382 --> 05:11:23,383
the way through

6434
05:11:23,383 --> 05:11:25,385
the preliminary plan. That's all stages

6435
05:11:25,385 --> 05:11:28,385
that will fall prior to

6436
05:11:28,388 --> 05:11:31,388
that like the zoning change,

6437
05:11:31,391 --> 05:11:33,393
all that. And dps,

6438
05:11:33,393 --> 05:11:34,394
the right of way section, provides

6439
05:11:34,394 --> 05:11:36,394
that

6440
05:11:36,396 --> 05:11:37,397
for site plan. So due to the site

6441
05:11:37,397 --> 05:11:40,400
plan, we'll take the lead. Before

6442
05:11:40,400 --> 05:11:43,403
that, they are the lead for

6443
05:11:43,403 --> 05:11:45,403
providing right of

6444
05:11:45,405 --> 05:11:49,500
way comments. Second function of the

6445
05:11:49,409 --> 05:11:51,409
right of way

6446
05:11:52,379 --> 05:11:54,379
section is for

6447
05:11:55,382 --> 05:11:57,782
issuing permits. So whenever

6448
05:11:58,385 --> 05:11:59,386
we have improvements during the entitlement

6449
05:11:59,386 --> 05:12:01,388
process, adopted by the planning board, then

6450
05:12:01,388 --> 05:12:03,388
the next

6451
05:12:04,391 --> 05:12:07,394
stage is for them to apply

6452
05:12:07,394 --> 05:12:09,396
for permit, so they could

6453
05:12:09,396 --> 05:12:12,399
construct it. Dps, by law, administers

6454
05:12:12,399 --> 05:12:13,400
all right of way permits. By that,

6455
05:12:13,400 --> 05:12:15,400
I mean,

6456
05:12:16,403 --> 05:12:17,404
they will need to review them, approve

6457
05:12:17,404 --> 05:12:18,405
them, and inspects

6458
05:12:18,405 --> 05:12:19,406
them to make sure everything is done

6459
05:12:19,406 --> 05:12:21,406
according

6460
05:12:22,409 --> 05:12:23,410
to what was

6461
05:12:23,410 --> 05:12:27,100
approved by their planning board. In

6462
05:12:28,382 --> 05:12:30,382
the third

6463
05:12:30,384 --> 05:12:31,385
function that we do is about record

6464
05:12:31,385 --> 05:12:32,386
plats and

6465
05:12:32,386 --> 05:12:34,388
the dps right of way section, along with

6466
05:12:34,388 --> 05:12:36,388
park and planning,

6467
05:12:37,391 --> 05:12:39,791
the planning board, and

6468
05:12:40,394 --> 05:12:42,794
the planning section, review

6469
05:12:43,397 --> 05:12:44,398
and approve

6470
05:12:44,398 --> 05:12:46,400
all subdivision record plats. One

6471
05:12:46,400 --> 05:12:48,400
that we'll

6472
05:12:49,403 --> 05:12:55,409
provide more details on all the issues later in the presentation.

6473
05:12:55,409 --> 05:12:57,409
so

6474
05:12:58,378 --> 05:13:00,378
where

6475
05:13:01,381 --> 05:13:03,381
are these

6476
05:13:04,384 --> 05:13:06,386
improvements applicable? The two

6477
05:13:06,386 --> 05:13:07,387
instances that we require this improvement, such as

6478
05:13:07,387 --> 05:13:10,387
the improvements that are adopted

6479
05:13:10,390 --> 05:13:13,393
as a part of the entitlement.

6480
05:13:13,393 --> 05:13:16,393
the first and more visible

6481
05:13:16,396 --> 05:13:18,396
one relates

6482
05:13:19,399 --> 05:13:20,400
to all montgomery county

6483
05:13:20,400 --> 05:13:23,400
maintained roadways. And the second

6484
05:13:25,405 --> 05:13:28,405
one, which is not, doesn't

6485
05:13:28,408 --> 05:13:30,408
come to mind

6486
05:13:31,411 --> 05:13:35,110
as easily is about public easements.

6487
05:13:37,384 --> 05:13:39,384
that

6488
05:13:40,387 --> 05:13:42,387
is for

6489
05:13:43,390 --> 05:13:45,790
public use. The improvements

6490
05:13:46,393 --> 05:13:49,393
for permitting, for our review

6491
05:13:49,396 --> 05:13:50,397
will kick in. The public

6492
05:13:50,397 --> 05:13:52,399
easement could include stone drain

6493
05:13:52,399 --> 05:13:54,799
easement, they could include

6494
05:13:55,402 --> 05:13:57,402
the public easement,

6495
05:13:58,405 --> 05:14:00,407
what have you. So that is

6496
05:14:00,407 --> 05:14:01,408
the second place that all their requirements

6497
05:14:01,408 --> 05:14:02,376
that

6498
05:14:02,376 --> 05:14:07,776
are related to public right of way will apply.

6499
05:14:13,387 --> 05:14:15,787
so the next thing

6500
05:14:16,390 --> 05:14:18,390
that

6501
05:14:19,393 --> 05:14:21,393
we'll have

6502
05:14:21,395 --> 05:14:22,396
to consider is when these requirements

6503
05:14:22,396 --> 05:14:24,396
that

6504
05:14:25,399 --> 05:14:28,399
apply to right of way

6505
05:14:28,402 --> 05:14:31,402
improvements apply and they need

6506
05:14:31,405 --> 05:14:33,407
to be decided. As I mentioned

6507
05:14:33,407 --> 05:14:34,408
earlier, montgomery county department

6508
05:14:34,408 --> 05:14:36,408
of transportation

6509
05:14:37,411 --> 05:14:38,412
provides all right of way related

6510
05:14:38,412 --> 05:14:40,380
comments during

6511
05:14:40,380 --> 05:14:42,380
the entire

6512
05:14:42,382 --> 05:14:45,982
process, up to and including preliminary

6513
05:14:46,386 --> 05:14:49,389
plan, which they will be approved

6514
05:14:49,389 --> 05:14:52,389
by the members of the

6515
05:14:52,392 --> 05:14:53,393
planning board

6516
05:14:53,393 --> 05:14:55,395
and become legally binding. Right

6517
05:14:55,395 --> 05:14:57,395
of

6518
05:14:57,397 --> 05:14:58,398
way section of dps reviews all those

6519
05:14:58,398 --> 05:15:01,398
during the site plan process.

6520
05:15:04,404 --> 05:15:05,405
and those requirements, again, will

6521
05:15:05,405 --> 05:15:09,500
get adopted by the planning board.

6522
05:15:12,379 --> 05:15:13,380
so then there are some requirements

6523
05:15:13,380 --> 05:15:15,380
that, I wouldn't

6524
05:15:16,383 --> 05:15:17,384
say requirement, but there are some

6525
05:15:17,384 --> 05:15:21,584
improvements that fib had can apply for.

6526
05:15:22,389 --> 05:15:25,389
and they are not subject

6527
05:15:25,392 --> 05:15:26,393
to the

6528
05:15:26,393 --> 05:15:28,395
entitlement process. For example,

6529
05:15:28,395 --> 05:15:30,397
somebody wants to connect their sub

6530
05:15:30,397 --> 05:15:31,398
pump to our county drainage facilities

6531
05:15:31,398 --> 05:15:33,398
or the

6532
05:15:34,401 --> 05:15:36,401
utility company

6533
05:15:36,403 --> 05:15:37,404
wants to repair their infrastructure. Those

6534
05:15:37,404 --> 05:15:39,404
types of improvements

6535
05:15:40,407 --> 05:15:41,408
are not

6536
05:15:41,408 --> 05:15:43,410
subject to the entitlement process,

6537
05:15:43,410 --> 05:15:46,380
but they do require a right

6538
05:15:46,380 --> 05:15:48,380
of way

6539
05:15:49,383 --> 05:15:52,383
permit, which our office administers.

6540
05:15:57,391 --> 05:15:58,392
and our review applies to anything

6541
05:15:58,392 --> 05:16:00,392
or I should

6542
05:16:01,395 --> 05:16:03,395
say everything

6543
05:16:03,397 --> 05:16:04,398
within the right of way. It could

6544
05:16:04,398 --> 05:16:06,398
be side wall,

6545
05:16:07,401 --> 05:16:09,401
it could be

6546
05:16:10,404 --> 05:16:12,404
utilities,

6547
05:16:13,407 --> 05:16:14,408
drainage facilities, street lights, street

6548
05:16:14,408 --> 05:16:16,408
trees. All

6549
05:16:16,410 --> 05:16:18,410
streetscapes that have

6550
05:16:19,379 --> 05:16:21,379
been adopted during

6551
05:16:22,382 --> 05:16:25,385
the entire process. They also include

6552
05:16:25,385 --> 05:16:28,385
the special such as the

6553
05:16:28,388 --> 05:16:30,388
strict

6554
05:16:31,391 --> 05:16:34,391
part of them, streetscape --

6555
05:16:34,394 --> 05:16:36,394
streetscape. The

6556
05:16:37,397 --> 05:16:42,797
next function dps does is review the record plats.

6557
05:16:43,403 --> 05:16:45,403
and we do

6558
05:16:46,406 --> 05:16:48,406
it alongside

6559
05:16:49,409 --> 05:16:51,411
with the planning board

6560
05:16:51,411 --> 05:16:52,379
and planning department. But we specifically

6561
05:16:52,379 --> 05:16:54,379
reviewed record plats

6562
05:16:57,384 --> 05:16:58,385
from two point of views. Number one

6563
05:16:58,385 --> 05:17:00,385
is from public

6564
05:17:01,388 --> 05:17:04,391
right of way. And the second

6565
05:17:04,391 --> 05:17:06,391
one, we

6566
05:17:06,393 --> 05:17:07,394
expect to management and floodplains. When

6567
05:17:07,394 --> 05:17:09,394
we

6568
05:17:09,396 --> 05:17:10,397
review record plats for public right

6569
05:17:10,397 --> 05:17:13,397
of way, we make sure

6570
05:17:13,400 --> 05:17:15,400
all of the

6571
05:17:15,402 --> 05:17:17,404
right of ways and easements are in

6572
05:17:17,404 --> 05:17:20,404
place. By the way, the

6573
05:17:20,407 --> 05:17:21,408
right of ways and

6574
05:17:21,408 --> 05:17:23,410
easements can be used interchangeably

6575
05:17:23,410 --> 05:17:24,411
and from the legal point

6576
05:17:24,411 --> 05:17:26,380
of view, they are subject to the same

6577
05:17:26,380 --> 05:17:29,380
part of the county law.

6578
05:17:29,383 --> 05:17:30,384
we make sure

6579
05:17:30,384 --> 05:17:31,385
all the improvements, all the easements

6580
05:17:31,385 --> 05:17:36,185
and the right of way are in place.

6581
05:17:38,392 --> 05:17:39,393
we also make sure all

6582
05:17:39,393 --> 05:17:41,395
improvements that we're adopted by

6583
05:17:41,395 --> 05:17:42,396
the planning board in the

6584
05:17:42,396 --> 05:17:44,398
time of entitlement process, pretty

6585
05:17:44,398 --> 05:17:46,398
much the

6586
05:17:47,401 --> 05:17:50,404
site plan are bonded. By doing

6587
05:17:50,404 --> 05:17:52,404
so, we

6588
05:17:53,407 --> 05:17:55,407
ensure

6589
05:17:56,410 --> 05:17:57,411
that those improvements

6590
05:17:57,411 --> 05:17:59,379
are implemented because of bonding improvement

6591
05:17:59,379 --> 05:18:00,380
means, in case the applicant is

6592
05:18:00,380 --> 05:18:02,382
not able to finish the improvements,

6593
05:18:02,382 --> 05:18:04,382
the

6594
05:18:04,384 --> 05:18:08,388
county can use the bond and finish it.

6595
05:18:08,388 --> 05:18:10,388
we

6596
05:18:11,391 --> 05:18:13,791
also make sure they

6597
05:18:14,394 --> 05:18:17,397
are specified under record plats. There

6598
05:18:17,397 --> 05:18:20,400
are a lot of things that need to

6599
05:18:20,400 --> 05:18:21,401
be

6600
05:18:21,401 --> 05:18:23,403
specified on the record plats. There

6601
05:18:23,403 --> 05:18:25,405
are easements that need to be

6602
05:18:25,405 --> 05:18:26,406
shown on the record plats. A lot of

6603
05:18:26,406 --> 05:18:27,407
them

6604
05:18:27,407 --> 05:18:29,409
cannot be done by means of plat because

6605
05:18:29,409 --> 05:18:32,379
of the amount of the

6606
05:18:32,379 --> 05:18:33,380
provisions that we have in each

6607
05:18:33,380 --> 05:18:35,382
easement document. We cannot do them,

6608
05:18:35,382 --> 05:18:37,382
but we

6609
05:18:38,385 --> 05:18:41,388
have to reference them on the

6610
05:18:41,388 --> 05:18:43,388
plat, especially

6611
05:18:43,390 --> 05:18:44,391
if they are existing. We also make

6612
05:18:44,391 --> 05:18:46,391
sure all

6613
05:18:47,394 --> 05:18:49,396
the legal processes are

6614
05:18:49,396 --> 05:18:51,398
done. Those are the processes that will

6615
05:18:51,398 --> 05:18:53,400
lead to determination of the exact

6616
05:18:53,400 --> 05:18:55,400
extent of

6617
05:18:56,403 --> 05:18:58,803
the easement or the

6618
05:18:59,406 --> 05:19:01,406
right of

6619
05:19:01,408 --> 05:19:02,409
way. Also they would expect stormwater

6620
05:19:02,409 --> 05:19:04,409
management,

6621
05:19:04,411 --> 05:19:08,382
for the public right of way, we make sure

6622
05:19:08,382 --> 05:19:09,383
all easements are in

6623
05:19:09,383 --> 05:19:11,385
place, the floodplain buffers, what have

6624
05:19:11,385 --> 05:19:13,385
you. All of

6625
05:19:14,388 --> 05:19:17,388
them are specified and all

6626
05:19:17,391 --> 05:19:19,391
prerequisites

6627
05:19:20,394 --> 05:19:23,397
legal and technical processes are complete.

6628
05:19:23,397 --> 05:19:26,400
we'll pass it on to mark

6629
05:19:26,400 --> 05:19:28,402
for the stormwater management

6630
05:19:28,402 --> 05:19:29,403
section.

6631
05:19:29,403 --> 05:19:30,404
>> thanks. Again, I'm the

6632
05:19:30,404 --> 05:19:32,404
water resources for

6633
05:19:32,406 --> 05:19:35,409
dps. Can you guys hear me okay?

6634
05:19:35,409 --> 05:19:37,409
I'm

6635
05:19:38,412 --> 05:19:41,381
often asked to talk louder. Yeah,

6636
05:19:41,381 --> 05:19:43,381
I apologize ahead

6637
05:19:43,383 --> 05:19:44,384
of time. I'm getting over a little cough. My

6638
05:19:44,384 --> 05:19:46,384
beautiful

6639
05:19:46,386 --> 05:19:47,387
voice isn't what it use today be. I'll

6640
05:19:47,387 --> 05:19:49,387
talk

6641
05:19:50,390 --> 05:19:52,390
a little bit

6642
05:19:53,393 --> 05:19:54,394
about stormwater

6643
05:19:54,394 --> 05:19:56,396
management and sediment control. We'll

6644
05:19:56,396 --> 05:19:57,397
go over a little bit of the overview,

6645
05:19:57,397 --> 05:20:02,197
so put this in perspective for you guys.

6646
05:20:02,402 --> 05:20:04,402
stormwater management is

6647
05:20:05,405 --> 05:20:07,405
primarily a

6648
05:20:07,407 --> 05:20:08,408
--an environmental mitigation process. We

6649
05:20:08,408 --> 05:20:10,408
look

6650
05:20:10,410 --> 05:20:12,379
to reduce environmental impacts that

6651
05:20:12,379 --> 05:20:14,381
occur due to development, which can

6652
05:20:14,381 --> 05:20:16,383
cause decreases in runoff a,

6653
05:20:16,383 --> 05:20:17,384
go into the drainage system. They

6654
05:20:17,384 --> 05:20:19,384
can cause increases

6655
05:20:19,386 --> 05:20:20,387
in pollutants that run off into the stream

6656
05:20:20,387 --> 05:20:22,389
system, and they could also

6657
05:20:22,389 --> 05:20:23,390
reduce the amount of water that soaks

6658
05:20:23,390 --> 05:20:25,390
into the

6659
05:20:26,393 --> 05:20:28,395
ground that is very important

6660
05:20:28,395 --> 05:20:29,396
to recharge those systems for their

6661
05:20:29,396 --> 05:20:30,397
health. That

6662
05:20:30,397 --> 05:20:32,399
basically relies on the groundwater recharge, so

6663
05:20:32,399 --> 05:20:34,401
the e are ductions

6664
05:20:34,401 --> 05:20:35,402
have to be balanced out. Again, as

6665
05:20:35,402 --> 05:20:36,403
I

6666
05:20:36,403 --> 05:20:38,405
said, this is an environmental mitigation

6667
05:20:38,405 --> 05:20:40,407
that is intended to reduce the

6668
05:20:40,407 --> 05:20:41,408
types of impacts that I just mentioned. This

6669
05:20:41,408 --> 05:20:43,408
is generally

6670
05:20:43,410 --> 05:20:47,100
done by slowing down and reducing

6671
05:20:47,381 --> 05:20:49,383
the amount of developed runoff, filtering

6672
05:20:49,383 --> 05:20:51,385
out pollutants, and encouraging that

6673
05:20:51,385 --> 05:20:52,386
infiltration of water back into the

6674
05:20:52,386 --> 05:20:53,387
ground. Some of the practices that

6675
05:20:53,387 --> 05:20:55,387
we have

6676
05:20:56,390 --> 05:20:58,790
used that you've seen

6677
05:20:59,393 --> 05:21:00,394
many times are drywells, rain gardens,

6678
05:21:00,394 --> 05:21:02,394
infiltration

6679
05:21:02,396 --> 05:21:04,396
practices, things of

6680
05:21:05,399 --> 05:21:06,400
that

6681
05:21:06,400 --> 05:21:08,402
sort. Next slide, please? The standards

6682
05:21:08,402 --> 05:21:09,403
that we

6683
05:21:09,403 --> 05:21:11,405
look at for stormwater management,

6684
05:21:11,405 --> 05:21:13,407
are actually set by the state of management

6685
05:21:13,407 --> 05:21:14,408
as part of their stormwater management

6686
05:21:14,408 --> 05:21:16,410
program. We will review

6687
05:21:16,410 --> 05:21:17,411
for those compliance items through

6688
05:21:17,411 --> 05:21:19,411
the delegation of

6689
05:21:20,380 --> 05:21:22,382
authority from the state to review

6690
05:21:22,382 --> 05:21:23,383
on their behalf. They do come out,

6691
05:21:23,383 --> 05:21:24,384
evaluating our program, routinely

6692
05:21:24,384 --> 05:21:25,385
every

6693
05:21:25,385 --> 05:21:26,386
three years to make sure we're staying on

6694
05:21:26,386 --> 05:21:27,387
track and

6695
05:21:27,387 --> 05:21:32,187
doing the things they want us to do.

6696
05:21:32,392 --> 05:21:34,792
our stormwater requirements are

6697
05:21:35,395 --> 05:21:37,395
found in chapter 19

6698
05:21:38,398 --> 05:21:39,399
in the county code. They actually

6699
05:21:39,399 --> 05:21:40,400
review those requirements before we

6700
05:21:40,400 --> 05:21:41,401
enact those to make sure they are

6701
05:21:41,401 --> 05:21:42,402
in compliance with

6702
05:21:42,402 --> 05:21:44,404
the state model ordinance before we

6703
05:21:44,404 --> 05:21:45,405
enact those in the code. The last

6704
05:21:45,405 --> 05:21:47,405
time we

6705
05:21:47,407 --> 05:21:48,408
did that was in july of 2010.

6706
05:21:48,408 --> 05:21:50,410
that's what we did. We went back and

6707
05:21:50,410 --> 05:21:52,379
forth with the state, back

6708
05:21:52,379 --> 05:21:53,380
and forth with the council, back and

6709
05:21:53,380 --> 05:21:55,382
forth with everybody that we could

6710
05:21:55,382 --> 05:21:56,383
think of to try to get everything

6711
05:21:56,383 --> 05:21:59,386
in line with everybody's requirements before

6712
05:21:59,386 --> 05:22:02,389
they went into code. But I

6713
05:22:02,389 --> 05:22:03,390
want to stress that we do our

6714
05:22:03,390 --> 05:22:05,392
reviews through the delegation of

6715
05:22:05,392 --> 05:22:06,393
authority, initially from the state

6716
05:22:06,393 --> 05:22:08,393
of maryland

6717
05:22:08,395 --> 05:22:10,397
to review on their behalf.

6718
05:22:10,397 --> 05:22:11,398
when we do review stormwater for compliance,

6719
05:22:11,398 --> 05:22:13,398
we work primarily

6720
05:22:14,401 --> 05:22:16,401
with the one

6721
05:22:16,403 --> 05:22:17,404
year storm event. It is a statistical

6722
05:22:17,404 --> 05:22:19,404
one year event,

6723
05:22:19,406 --> 05:22:23,600
based on recorded rainfall data that

6724
05:22:23,410 --> 05:22:24,411
we would have historically collected. Right

6725
05:22:24,411 --> 05:22:26,380
now,

6726
05:22:26,380 --> 05:22:29,380
that rainfall event is a

6727
05:22:29,383 --> 05:22:31,383
24-hour

6728
05:22:32,386 --> 05:22:33,387
one-year event of 2.6 inches. Recently

6729
05:22:33,387 --> 05:22:34,388
the

6730
05:22:34,388 --> 05:22:35,389
analysis were reviewed and some of

6731
05:22:35,389 --> 05:22:37,389
the

6732
05:22:37,391 --> 05:22:38,392
larger storm events were corrected because

6733
05:22:38,392 --> 05:22:40,792
additional information has come

6734
05:22:41,395 --> 05:22:43,397
in, as part of climate change

6735
05:22:43,397 --> 05:22:44,398
to change those. Interestingly enough,

6736
05:22:44,398 --> 05:22:46,400
the one-year storm event stayed right

6737
05:22:46,400 --> 05:22:47,401
where it was, partly because we have

6738
05:22:47,401 --> 05:22:49,401
so much one

6739
05:22:49,403 --> 05:22:50,404
year data because that's the most frequent

6740
05:22:50,404 --> 05:22:53,407
storm data that we have. It is hard

6741
05:22:53,407 --> 05:22:54,408
to change that to statistics without

6742
05:22:54,408 --> 05:22:56,410
a lot of additional data.

6743
05:22:56,410 --> 05:22:58,410
that's

6744
05:22:59,379 --> 05:23:02,382
the one year 24-hour event of 2.6

6745
05:23:02,382 --> 05:23:03,383
inches is the arena in which we

6746
05:23:03,383 --> 05:23:05,385
look for compliance primarily. So

6747
05:23:05,385 --> 05:23:08,388
it is not a big storm event.

6748
05:23:08,388 --> 05:23:10,388
the goal that

6749
05:23:10,390 --> 05:23:11,391
we have is to modify the developed flows

6750
05:23:11,391 --> 05:23:13,391
to reduce

6751
05:23:14,394 --> 05:23:16,396
the impacts to the ultimate

6752
05:23:16,396 --> 05:23:17,397
receiving stream system. That is the

6753
05:23:17,397 --> 05:23:19,797
overall goal we're looking

6754
05:23:23,403 --> 05:23:26,403
for to maintain healthy streams.

6755
05:23:29,409 --> 05:23:31,809
from the early 70s.

6756
05:23:35,382 --> 05:23:37,382
>>

6757
05:23:38,385 --> 05:23:41,388
and the review process. They have

6758
05:23:41,388 --> 05:23:42,389
to obtain approval

6759
05:23:42,389 --> 05:23:44,391
of the stormwater management concept

6760
05:23:44,391 --> 05:23:47,394
from dps, prior to go to the board,

6761
05:23:47,394 --> 05:23:48,395
if they are going through the planning

6762
05:23:48,395 --> 05:23:50,395
process. So we

6763
05:23:50,397 --> 05:23:53,400
want to make sure we look at these

6764
05:23:53,400 --> 05:23:55,400
to see if

6765
05:23:56,403 --> 05:23:58,803
they are using the

6766
05:23:59,406 --> 05:24:00,407
right assumptions, using the

6767
05:24:00,407 --> 05:24:02,409
right standards. They have given us

6768
05:24:02,409 --> 05:24:05,409
enough information as a part

6769
05:24:05,412 --> 05:24:08,382
of our review on the level, that they are

6770
05:24:08,382 --> 05:24:10,382
confident that

6771
05:24:11,385 --> 05:24:13,385
they are making

6772
05:24:14,388 --> 05:24:17,388
those assumptions. What they're proposing

6773
05:24:17,391 --> 05:24:18,392
appears to be --things like that,

6774
05:24:18,392 --> 05:24:19,393
we have the

6775
05:24:19,393 --> 05:24:20,394
benefit at the stage of looking at

6776
05:24:20,394 --> 05:24:22,394
a

6777
05:24:23,397 --> 05:24:26,400
lot of real design data. We really

6778
05:24:26,400 --> 05:24:27,401
see what those plans look like. When

6779
05:24:27,401 --> 05:24:28,402
we are going

6780
05:24:28,402 --> 05:24:29,403
through something, and I'll probably talk

6781
05:24:29,403 --> 05:24:30,404
about this in a little bit in a minute,

6782
05:24:30,404 --> 05:24:31,405
we

6783
05:24:31,405 --> 05:24:32,406
are going through something like a single-family

6784
05:24:32,406 --> 05:24:34,406
lot that is

6785
05:24:34,408 --> 05:24:35,409
being subdivided from one lot into three,

6786
05:24:35,409 --> 05:24:37,409
for example. We

6787
05:24:38,412 --> 05:24:40,812
don't have a lot

6788
05:24:41,381 --> 05:24:44,384
of exact design data to go on

6789
05:24:44,384 --> 05:24:45,385
because we don't have design plans

6790
05:24:45,385 --> 05:24:46,386
for the most

6791
05:24:46,386 --> 05:24:50,390
part. So we are looking to see if

6792
05:24:50,390 --> 05:24:51,391
we have enough data that we have confidence. By

6793
05:24:51,391 --> 05:24:53,391
the way,

6794
05:24:53,393 --> 05:24:56,396
this is also a state requirement

6795
05:24:56,396 --> 05:24:58,396
that is

6796
05:24:58,398 --> 05:24:59,399
in the state model ordinance, but

6797
05:24:59,399 --> 05:25:01,401
we do that for the

6798
05:25:01,401 --> 05:25:02,402
planning board to make sure that we

6799
05:25:02,402 --> 05:25:04,802
are comfortable, that there

6800
05:25:05,405 --> 05:25:06,406
is nothing from the stormwater management

6801
05:25:06,406 --> 05:25:08,406
standpoint that is

6802
05:25:08,408 --> 05:25:12,379
likely to change the layout of the

6803
05:25:12,379 --> 05:25:14,379
project later

6804
05:25:14,381 --> 05:25:15,382
on in a substantial way. Let's see. Make

6805
05:25:15,382 --> 05:25:16,383
sure

6806
05:25:16,383 --> 05:25:18,385
I'm not completely off track here. My

6807
05:25:18,385 --> 05:25:20,385
eyes

6808
05:25:21,388 --> 05:25:23,388
aren't

6809
05:25:24,391 --> 05:25:27,391
what they used to be.

6810
05:25:30,397 --> 05:25:31,398
this comes up all

6811
05:25:31,398 --> 05:25:34,401
the time. It is important to note

6812
05:25:34,401 --> 05:25:36,403
that while our stormwater management practices,

6813
05:25:36,403 --> 05:25:38,403
may

6814
05:25:38,405 --> 05:25:39,406
have some impact on reducing the overall

6815
05:25:39,406 --> 05:25:41,406
amount of

6816
05:25:41,408 --> 05:25:42,409
storm flow to some degree, that they

6817
05:25:42,409 --> 05:25:44,409
are not

6818
05:25:45,412 --> 05:25:47,812
intended and they really

6819
05:25:48,382 --> 05:25:50,382
don't serve

6820
05:25:53,387 --> 05:25:54,388
as flood protection as property protection. We

6821
05:25:54,388 --> 05:25:55,389
do have

6822
05:25:55,389 --> 05:25:57,391
a document we put together on the

6823
05:25:57,391 --> 05:25:58,392
website, that's called

6824
05:25:58,392 --> 05:26:00,394
surface drainage, that will go into

6825
05:26:00,394 --> 05:26:02,396
that in much more detail,

6826
05:26:02,396 --> 05:26:03,397
and it was written to us in corporation

6827
05:26:03,397 --> 05:26:04,398
with

6828
05:26:04,398 --> 05:26:05,399
our legal council. So it's a very

6829
05:26:05,399 --> 05:26:06,400
good document. I urge you to take

6830
05:26:06,400 --> 05:26:08,400
a look

6831
05:26:08,402 --> 05:26:09,403
at it. I won't get into that too much more,

6832
05:26:09,403 --> 05:26:12,403
unless you have specific questions

6833
05:26:12,406 --> 05:26:15,409
about it today. I just want

6834
05:26:15,409 --> 05:26:17,409
to point

6835
05:26:17,411 --> 05:26:18,412
out, our main purpose is maintaining healthy

6836
05:26:18,412 --> 05:26:20,380
stream systems,

6837
05:26:20,380 --> 05:26:21,381
that we do not get directly involved

6838
05:26:21,381 --> 05:26:23,381
in the civil

6839
05:26:24,384 --> 05:26:25,385
aspects of

6840
05:26:25,385 --> 05:26:30,185
the runoff issues very often. Next slide, please?

6841
05:26:32,392 --> 05:26:33,393
just to shake it up a little bit,

6842
05:26:33,393 --> 05:26:35,393
and then I'll

6843
05:26:36,396 --> 05:26:39,399
come back and bore you with

6844
05:26:39,399 --> 05:26:41,399
the

6845
05:26:42,402 --> 05:26:43,403
last two slides.

6846
05:26:43,403 --> 05:26:44,404
>>

6847
05:26:44,404 --> 05:26:45,405
yes.

6848
05:26:45,405 --> 05:26:46,406
>> so just to follow on what mark

6849
05:26:46,406 --> 05:26:48,406
mentioned,

6850
05:26:48,408 --> 05:26:51,411
when we would talk about developments, essentially

6851
05:26:51,411 --> 05:26:53,811
what they do is

6852
05:26:54,381 --> 05:26:56,781
they will pave over

6853
05:26:59,386 --> 05:27:00,387
what used to be surface. So once they

6854
05:27:00,387 --> 05:27:02,387
create

6855
05:27:03,390 --> 05:27:05,790
the area, they are

6856
05:27:06,393 --> 05:27:07,394
going to

6857
05:27:07,394 --> 05:27:09,396
increase the amount of runoff. So

6858
05:27:09,396 --> 05:27:11,396
what you used

6859
05:27:12,399 --> 05:27:14,401
to percolate into the

6860
05:27:14,401 --> 05:27:16,403
ground becomes like a recharge is

6861
05:27:16,403 --> 05:27:18,405
now going to flow off the property

6862
05:27:18,405 --> 05:27:20,405
and come towards

6863
05:27:21,408 --> 05:27:24,411
the right of way. So the

6864
05:27:24,411 --> 05:27:27,381
amount of flow will maintain

6865
05:27:27,381 --> 05:27:30,384
the right of way, associating the

6866
05:27:30,384 --> 05:27:32,784
drainage system that will

6867
05:27:33,387 --> 05:27:35,787
increase. So once that

6868
05:27:36,390 --> 05:27:39,393
happens, we have to gauge the

6869
05:27:39,393 --> 05:27:40,394
amount of increase of runoff,

6870
05:27:40,394 --> 05:27:43,394
which could translate to increasing

6871
05:27:45,399 --> 05:27:46,400
the flow. It can be accommodated

6872
05:27:46,400 --> 05:27:51,200
by the downstream existing public facilities or not.

6873
05:27:53,407 --> 05:27:57,411
if they can accommodate the additional increase,

6874
05:27:57,411 --> 05:28:00,380
that would be great. But if

6875
05:28:00,380 --> 05:28:03,380
they cannot, then the applicant

6876
05:28:03,383 --> 05:28:05,383
has a couple

6877
05:28:05,385 --> 05:28:06,386
of choices. Either they are going

6878
05:28:06,386 --> 05:28:08,386
to

6879
05:28:09,389 --> 05:28:11,789
upgrade the existing county,

6880
05:28:12,392 --> 05:28:14,392
stormwater drainage facile

6881
05:28:15,395 --> 05:28:18,398
I its, to ensure the capacity

6882
05:28:18,398 --> 05:28:21,401
is there or if they could

6883
05:28:21,401 --> 05:28:24,404
decrease the amount of runoff in

6884
05:28:24,404 --> 05:28:27,404
their property to make sure

6885
05:28:27,407 --> 05:28:28,408
the

6886
05:28:28,408 --> 05:28:30,410
water is held on property. Release

6887
05:28:30,410 --> 05:28:32,410
the

6888
05:28:33,380 --> 05:28:36,380
control matter, so it does

6889
05:28:36,383 --> 05:28:39,383
not down the system. If

6890
05:28:39,386 --> 05:28:41,388
it's picked, the applicant needs

6891
05:28:41,388 --> 05:28:42,389
to modify the stormwater management

6892
05:28:42,389 --> 05:28:44,389
concept

6893
05:28:45,392 --> 05:28:47,394
to design this system,

6894
05:28:47,394 --> 05:28:50,397
to incorporate the system into their

6895
05:28:50,397 --> 05:28:51,398
preliminary approval, which is going

6896
05:28:51,398 --> 05:28:53,798
to go to the

6897
05:28:55,402 --> 05:28:58,402
preliminary plan with the approval.

6898
05:29:00,407 --> 05:29:01,408
now --

6899
05:29:01,408 --> 05:29:03,408
>> do you go

6900
05:29:03,410 --> 05:29:04,411
back --I just

6901
05:29:04,411 --> 05:29:06,380
want to make sure. I think I know,

6902
05:29:06,380 --> 05:29:08,380
but I want

6903
05:29:09,383 --> 05:29:11,383
to confirm

6904
05:29:12,386 --> 05:29:15,386
that everybody knows. So dps

6905
05:29:15,389 --> 05:29:17,389
does review when,

6906
05:29:17,391 --> 05:29:20,394
if the additional storm drain comes

6907
05:29:20,394 --> 05:29:21,395
to public right of way? Separate the

6908
05:29:21,395 --> 05:29:23,395
stormwater management,

6909
05:29:24,398 --> 05:29:26,798
okay? So before they

6910
05:29:27,401 --> 05:29:29,801
do a stormwater management,

6911
05:29:30,404 --> 05:29:32,404
dps makes

6912
05:29:32,406 --> 05:29:33,407
sure that there is not additional

6913
05:29:33,407 --> 05:29:35,407
storm drain to

6914
05:29:36,410 --> 05:29:37,411
the public right

6915
05:29:37,411 --> 05:29:38,412
of way, correct?

6916
05:29:38,412 --> 05:29:39,379
>> it's depending on

6917
05:29:39,379 --> 05:29:40,380
where we are

6918
05:29:40,380 --> 05:29:42,382
in the entitlement process. Let's

6919
05:29:42,382 --> 05:29:44,382
say

6920
05:29:44,384 --> 05:29:45,385
we're in the preliminary plan. The

6921
05:29:45,385 --> 05:29:47,385
code

6922
05:29:48,388 --> 05:29:50,388
requires montgomery county

6923
05:29:51,391 --> 05:29:53,791
department of transportation to

6924
05:29:54,394 --> 05:29:56,394
make sure

6925
05:29:57,397 --> 05:29:58,398
the downstream drainage system has enough

6926
05:29:58,398 --> 05:29:59,399
capacity

6927
05:29:59,399 --> 05:30:00,400
for the development.

6928
05:30:00,400 --> 05:30:01,401
>> so they coordinate with the developer

6929
05:30:01,401 --> 05:30:03,401
to

6930
05:30:03,403 --> 05:30:05,403
make sure that

6931
05:30:06,406 --> 05:30:07,407
case happens?

6932
05:30:07,407 --> 05:30:08,408
>> yes. >> I want to

6933
05:30:08,408 --> 05:30:09,409
distinguish

6934
05:30:09,409 --> 05:30:10,410
this. When it is, and mark, you discussed

6935
05:30:10,410 --> 05:30:12,410
it. If it

6936
05:30:12,412 --> 05:30:15,382
is --because we will get a lot

6937
05:30:15,382 --> 05:30:18,385
of people here that they say

6938
05:30:18,385 --> 05:30:20,385
the development of

6939
05:30:21,388 --> 05:30:23,388
this property,

6940
05:30:24,391 --> 05:30:26,391
next

6941
05:30:27,394 --> 05:30:30,397
to me, is adding storm drain to

6942
05:30:30,397 --> 05:30:32,797
my property. At that

6943
05:30:33,400 --> 05:30:35,400
time, you know,

6944
05:30:36,403 --> 05:30:38,403
that is on

6945
05:30:39,406 --> 05:30:42,406
the civil engineer. That's the

6946
05:30:42,409 --> 05:30:44,411
responsibility between the two

6947
05:30:44,411 --> 05:30:45,412
property owners. The property owner

6948
05:30:45,412 --> 05:30:48,382
that originally is doing the development

6949
05:30:48,382 --> 05:30:51,385
or they are making it, you

6950
05:30:51,385 --> 05:30:54,388
know, two families. They are making

6951
05:30:54,388 --> 05:30:57,388
adu, or they are adding,

6952
05:30:57,391 --> 05:30:59,393
increasing the footprint or

6953
05:30:59,393 --> 05:31:00,394
adding additional, whatever. It's

6954
05:31:00,394 --> 05:31:02,394
their responsibility

6955
05:31:03,397 --> 05:31:05,397
to make

6956
05:31:06,400 --> 05:31:07,401
sure that this drainage doesn't impact

6957
05:31:07,401 --> 05:31:08,402
the

6958
05:31:08,402 --> 05:31:09,403
property. The unfortunate thing in

6959
05:31:09,403 --> 05:31:11,403
here

6960
05:31:12,406 --> 05:31:15,409
is that if they come to disagreement,

6961
05:31:15,409 --> 05:31:18,412
I don't think it's dps or anybody

6962
05:31:18,412 --> 05:31:20,380
else that can resolve this agreement. Because most of

6963
05:31:20,380 --> 05:31:21,381
the time --

6964
05:31:21,381 --> 05:31:22,382
>> that's a runoff issue

6965
05:31:22,382 --> 05:31:23,383
you're talking about that

6966
05:31:23,383 --> 05:31:24,384
I mentioned a minute ago. With that

6967
05:31:24,384 --> 05:31:25,385
stuff now, we moved beyond

6968
05:31:25,385 --> 05:31:27,387
the one year storm event, and I'm

6969
05:31:27,387 --> 05:31:28,388
glad you asked this question. We are

6970
05:31:28,388 --> 05:31:30,388
moving

6971
05:31:30,390 --> 05:31:31,391
into the ten year storm event to look

6972
05:31:31,391 --> 05:31:32,392
for

6973
05:31:32,392 --> 05:31:33,393
adequate capacity in the receiving

6974
05:31:33,393 --> 05:31:34,394
storm drain system.

6975
05:31:34,394 --> 05:31:35,395
>> is it

6976
05:31:35,395 --> 05:31:36,396
ten years or two years?

6977
05:31:36,396 --> 05:31:37,397
>> ten years. It's

6978
05:31:37,397 --> 05:31:38,398
the ten years

6979
05:31:38,398 --> 05:31:39,399
for the storm drain system.

6980
05:31:39,399 --> 05:31:40,400
>> for

6981
05:31:40,400 --> 05:31:41,401
the storm

6982
05:31:41,401 --> 05:31:42,402
drain system? But for the lot-to-lot

6983
05:31:42,402 --> 05:31:44,402
drainage, what

6984
05:31:45,405 --> 05:31:47,407
do they look at? If

6985
05:31:47,407 --> 05:31:48,408
it is not lot-to-lot drainage?

6986
05:31:48,408 --> 05:31:49,409
>> in

6987
05:31:49,409 --> 05:31:51,409
some cases, we

6988
05:31:51,411 --> 05:31:53,380
ask the engineer to show us

6989
05:31:53,380 --> 05:31:54,381
the studies that they have performed

6990
05:31:54,381 --> 05:31:57,381
to show they've done their

6991
05:31:57,384 --> 05:31:58,385
due diligence for their effect on

6992
05:31:58,385 --> 05:32:00,387
lot-to-lot runoff. We asked

6993
05:32:00,387 --> 05:32:01,388
them to do that in the ten-year storm

6994
05:32:01,388 --> 05:32:02,389
event.

6995
05:32:02,389 --> 05:32:03,390
>>

6996
05:32:03,390 --> 05:32:04,391
ten years?

6997
05:32:04,391 --> 05:32:05,392
>> ten years. We ask them

6998
05:32:05,392 --> 05:32:06,393
to check the ten year to show

6999
05:32:06,393 --> 05:32:07,394
they have done due diligence on their

7000
05:32:07,394 --> 05:32:09,394
part. We don't

7001
05:32:09,396 --> 05:32:10,397
review that study, but we may ask

7002
05:32:10,397 --> 05:32:11,398
them to

7003
05:32:11,398 --> 05:32:12,399
show us what they've done. We may

7004
05:32:12,399 --> 05:32:14,399
ask them to

7005
05:32:14,401 --> 05:32:15,402
show us notes when they visited the

7006
05:32:15,402 --> 05:32:18,402
property, who they spoke to

7007
05:32:18,405 --> 05:32:20,407
as well, if we have a real

7008
05:32:20,407 --> 05:32:21,408
concern about the lot-to-lot runoff

7009
05:32:21,408 --> 05:32:23,808
issue. What sam is

7010
05:32:25,412 --> 05:32:27,381
getting to

7011
05:32:27,381 --> 05:32:28,382
here is this area of runoff review

7012
05:32:28,382 --> 05:32:29,383
where we

7013
05:32:29,383 --> 05:32:31,385
actually do move beyond the one year

7014
05:32:31,385 --> 05:32:33,385
storm event,

7015
05:32:34,388 --> 05:32:36,390
which I mentioned before. From

7016
05:32:36,390 --> 05:32:37,391
the capacity and conveyance standpoint

7017
05:32:37,391 --> 05:32:38,392
through

7018
05:32:38,392 --> 05:32:39,393
the public storm drain system.

7019
05:32:39,393 --> 05:32:40,394
>>

7020
05:32:40,394 --> 05:32:41,395
that's the ten year.

7021
05:32:41,395 --> 05:32:42,396
>> that's the

7022
05:32:42,396 --> 05:32:43,397
ten year. We have

7023
05:32:43,397 --> 05:32:44,398
to make sure the proposed

7024
05:32:44,398 --> 05:32:46,400
development doesn't increase flow

7025
05:32:46,400 --> 05:32:47,401
to a point where the

7026
05:32:47,401 --> 05:32:49,403
receiving storm drain system cannot

7027
05:32:49,403 --> 05:32:51,405
handle it. That's more

7028
05:32:51,405 --> 05:32:52,406
of a public safety issue because if

7029
05:32:52,406 --> 05:32:53,407
it can't

7030
05:32:53,407 --> 05:32:55,409
handle it, then the water could back

7031
05:32:55,409 --> 05:32:57,409
up on the

7032
05:32:57,411 --> 05:32:58,412
road, into the roadway, and become

7033
05:32:58,412 --> 05:33:00,412
a nuance

7034
05:33:01,381 --> 05:33:03,383
or a danger during storm events

7035
05:33:03,383 --> 05:33:04,384
for motorists. So we have them check

7036
05:33:04,384 --> 05:33:06,384
that. The other

7037
05:33:06,386 --> 05:33:07,387
reason we check that and back to what

7038
05:33:07,387 --> 05:33:08,388
sam

7039
05:33:08,388 --> 05:33:10,390
mentioned a minute ago. They have

7040
05:33:10,390 --> 05:33:12,390
two options if

7041
05:33:13,393 --> 05:33:15,395
they are increasing the flow and

7042
05:33:15,395 --> 05:33:17,397
the receiving system can't handle it. This is

7043
05:33:17,397 --> 05:33:19,399
county storm drain or other municipalities

7044
05:33:19,399 --> 05:33:22,399
that will own a public

7045
05:33:22,402 --> 05:33:24,402
system. They will

7046
05:33:25,405 --> 05:33:27,407
have to check that. They have two

7047
05:33:27,407 --> 05:33:28,408
options. They can upgrade the existing storm

7048
05:33:28,408 --> 05:33:30,410
drain system, potentially, upsize

7049
05:33:30,410 --> 05:33:31,411
the pipes, so they could convey that

7050
05:33:31,411 --> 05:33:33,411
flow

7051
05:33:34,381 --> 05:33:37,381
and keep it off the

7052
05:33:37,384 --> 05:33:40,387
roadway. Or they can provide that additional storage

7053
05:33:40,387 --> 05:33:42,787
for the ten year

7054
05:33:43,390 --> 05:33:44,391
storm on the project itself, and

7055
05:33:44,391 --> 05:33:46,393
slowly release it through the small

7056
05:33:46,393 --> 05:33:48,393
thing to slowly

7057
05:33:48,395 --> 05:33:49,396
ease it in to the storm drain system

7058
05:33:49,396 --> 05:33:51,796
in a way they

7059
05:33:52,399 --> 05:33:54,401
could convey it over a

7060
05:33:54,401 --> 05:33:55,402
longer period of time. Where that

7061
05:33:55,402 --> 05:33:58,402
involves site layout is if

7062
05:33:58,405 --> 05:34:00,407
you are storing ten years worth of

7063
05:34:00,407 --> 05:34:04,411
runoff on a project, that takes up

7064
05:34:04,411 --> 05:34:07,381
a lot of room. That's where

7065
05:34:07,381 --> 05:34:08,382
we can have layout changes come in

7066
05:34:08,382 --> 05:34:09,383
to

7067
05:34:09,383 --> 05:34:10,384
play. Public schools will get into

7068
05:34:10,384 --> 05:34:12,384
the situations

7069
05:34:12,386 --> 05:34:13,387
sometimes because they're allowable

7070
05:34:13,387 --> 05:34:15,389
in residential zones. But

7071
05:34:15,389 --> 05:34:18,989
in some cases, the surrounding storm

7072
05:34:19,393 --> 05:34:20,394
drain system that is already

7073
05:34:20,394 --> 05:34:22,396
in existence was sized, predicting

7074
05:34:22,396 --> 05:34:24,398
there would be houses there instead

7075
05:34:24,398 --> 05:34:27,401
of the big dense public schools. So

7076
05:34:27,401 --> 05:34:31,100
you'll see some public schools with

7077
05:34:31,405 --> 05:34:32,406
ten year control

7078
05:34:32,406 --> 05:34:34,408
on those projects. That's specifically

7079
05:34:34,408 --> 05:34:36,410
for conveyance of that flow to

7080
05:34:36,410 --> 05:34:37,411
get it safely into the public system,

7081
05:34:37,411 --> 05:34:39,411
so it

7082
05:34:39,413 --> 05:34:40,380
doesn't cause danger to the motoring

7083
05:34:40,380 --> 05:34:41,381
public.

7084
05:34:41,381 --> 05:34:43,381
>> I understand

7085
05:34:43,383 --> 05:34:46,383
that. But I think that

7086
05:34:46,386 --> 05:34:49,386
what we need some guidance

7087
05:34:49,389 --> 05:34:51,389
is lot

7088
05:34:52,392 --> 05:34:54,792
to lot. Because we

7089
05:34:55,395 --> 05:34:57,395
have a

7090
05:34:57,397 --> 05:34:58,398
lot of unhappy public that they are

7091
05:34:58,398 --> 05:35:00,398
against, especially

7092
05:35:01,401 --> 05:35:03,401
right now that

7093
05:35:04,404 --> 05:35:05,405
we

7094
05:35:05,405 --> 05:35:07,407
are thinking about having some rezoning

7095
05:35:07,407 --> 05:35:09,407
that

7096
05:35:10,410 --> 05:35:12,410
they could

7097
05:35:13,380 --> 05:35:14,381
have, you know, duplex or

7098
05:35:14,381 --> 05:35:19,781
threplexes. That would increase, you know, the runoff a.

7099
05:35:22,389 --> 05:35:25,392
so then we would receive a lot of

7100
05:35:25,392 --> 05:35:28,392
complaints from the neighbors that

7101
05:35:28,395 --> 05:35:30,395
that increase, it's

7102
05:35:31,398 --> 05:35:34,401
coming right to my yard. What is

7103
05:35:34,401 --> 05:35:37,404
the right response to give us? I

7104
05:35:37,404 --> 05:35:39,406
don't want to put

7105
05:35:39,406 --> 05:35:40,407
you on the spot.

7106
05:35:40,407 --> 05:35:41,408
>> the right response

7107
05:35:41,408 --> 05:35:42,409
is on our county website that

7108
05:35:42,409 --> 05:35:43,410
was put together by the legal staff

7109
05:35:43,410 --> 05:35:45,410
to try to

7110
05:35:45,412 --> 05:35:46,380
clarify the situation for them. It

7111
05:35:46,380 --> 05:35:49,380
isn't anything in chapter 19 that

7112
05:35:49,383 --> 05:35:51,385
we can, that we have any design

7113
05:35:51,385 --> 05:35:52,386
standards for. There's reasons for

7114
05:35:52,386 --> 05:35:53,387
that, but I don't want to go

7115
05:35:53,387 --> 05:35:58,392
too far into that unless you really want to.

7116
05:35:58,392 --> 05:36:00,392
for the

7117
05:36:00,394 --> 05:36:01,395
document, it's a civil issue. Now,

7118
05:36:01,395 --> 05:36:03,395
it's

7119
05:36:03,397 --> 05:36:04,398
okay to increase runoff from one lot

7120
05:36:04,398 --> 05:36:06,798
to another. That is

7121
05:36:07,401 --> 05:36:09,403
not a problem, as long as there

7122
05:36:09,403 --> 05:36:10,404
is conveyance that doesn't cause property

7123
05:36:10,404 --> 05:36:12,406
damage or, you know,

7124
05:36:12,406 --> 05:36:13,407
something worse.

7125
05:36:13,407 --> 05:36:14,408
>> so basically it

7126
05:36:14,408 --> 05:36:16,408
is

7127
05:36:16,410 --> 05:36:17,411
on the engineers to make sure that sign-off.

7128
05:36:17,411 --> 05:36:18,412
>>

7129
05:36:18,412 --> 05:36:19,413
not

7130
05:36:19,413 --> 05:36:20,380
to set up the situation where they

7131
05:36:20,380 --> 05:36:22,380
damage

7132
05:36:22,382 --> 05:36:24,384
adjacent property. We are not in

7133
05:36:24,384 --> 05:36:25,385
the property protection business with stormwater

7134
05:36:25,385 --> 05:36:27,385
management. There's

7135
05:36:28,388 --> 05:36:31,391
a whole world of claims, looking

7136
05:36:31,391 --> 05:36:32,392
to see if that claim is valid. Making

7137
05:36:32,392 --> 05:36:34,392
it

7138
05:36:34,394 --> 05:36:35,395
a decision, who is responsible for

7139
05:36:35,395 --> 05:36:36,396
damage. And

7140
05:36:36,396 --> 05:36:37,397
if damage hasn't even occurred yet,

7141
05:36:37,397 --> 05:36:38,398
which is

7142
05:36:38,398 --> 05:36:40,400
where most of the concerns happen,

7143
05:36:40,400 --> 05:36:43,403
we don't even know if it will

7144
05:36:43,403 --> 05:36:46,406
take place until it happens, so that is

7145
05:36:46,406 --> 05:36:47,407
where they get involved.

7146
05:36:47,407 --> 05:36:49,407
>> but dps

7147
05:36:49,409 --> 05:36:51,409
does inspect when

7148
05:36:52,412 --> 05:36:53,380
the project goes under the construction,

7149
05:36:53,380 --> 05:36:54,381
does

7150
05:36:54,381 --> 05:36:55,382
inspect the requirement that the civil engineer

7151
05:36:55,382 --> 05:36:57,382
has signed off,

7152
05:36:58,385 --> 05:36:59,386
that this is not

7153
05:36:59,386 --> 05:37:01,388
going to make an impact. And if it

7154
05:37:01,388 --> 05:37:03,390
is reality that will make

7155
05:37:03,390 --> 05:37:04,391
them impact, then I guess --

7156
05:37:04,391 --> 05:37:05,392
>> we

7157
05:37:05,392 --> 05:37:07,392
don't review

7158
05:37:07,394 --> 05:37:08,395
to see it. We don't necessarily have any design

7159
05:37:08,395 --> 05:37:10,395
standards

7160
05:37:10,397 --> 05:37:13,400
to review whether or not there is

7161
05:37:13,400 --> 05:37:14,401
going to be an impact to someone's property

7162
05:37:14,401 --> 05:37:16,401
as

7163
05:37:16,403 --> 05:37:17,404
a result of runoff from the development. We

7164
05:37:17,404 --> 05:37:18,405
don't have that

7165
05:37:18,405 --> 05:37:20,407
in the code. In the document, I'm

7166
05:37:20,407 --> 05:37:21,408
talking to you about

7167
05:37:21,408 --> 05:37:22,409
this. I referenced you to the website.

7168
05:37:22,409 --> 05:37:23,410
>>

7169
05:37:23,410 --> 05:37:25,410
yeah, yeah, I

7170
05:37:25,412 --> 05:37:26,413
know what it is.

7171
05:37:26,413 --> 05:37:27,381
>> we do have, on

7172
05:37:27,381 --> 05:37:29,381
our

7173
05:37:29,383 --> 05:37:31,783
plans, a statement that

7174
05:37:32,386 --> 05:37:33,387
the engineer must sign that

7175
05:37:33,387 --> 05:37:35,389
is before we approve the plans, that

7176
05:37:35,389 --> 05:37:37,391
says I understand, it's in

7177
05:37:37,391 --> 05:37:38,392
the state model ordinance for stormwater and

7178
05:37:38,392 --> 05:37:39,393
in

7179
05:37:39,393 --> 05:37:40,394
the county, chapter 19, that approval

7180
05:37:40,394 --> 05:37:43,394
of this stormwater management plan

7181
05:37:44,398 --> 05:37:46,400
does not e are leave

7182
05:37:46,400 --> 05:37:50,600
me of my responsibility for the results

7183
05:37:51,405 --> 05:37:53,407
of my development on adjacent properties. I

7184
05:37:53,407 --> 05:37:55,407
understand that's

7185
05:37:55,409 --> 05:37:56,410
my responsibility, and I have investigated

7186
05:37:56,410 --> 05:37:58,410
this. If

7187
05:37:58,412 --> 05:37:59,413
there are any requirement easements,

7188
05:37:59,413 --> 05:38:00,380
letters of

7189
05:38:00,380 --> 05:38:02,382
permission that are required under

7190
05:38:02,382 --> 05:38:05,385
state law, I have given a copy

7191
05:38:05,385 --> 05:38:07,785
of those to dps

7192
05:38:08,388 --> 05:38:09,389
for their files. They signed that

7193
05:38:09,389 --> 05:38:11,391
statement. We also have a direct quote

7194
05:38:11,391 --> 05:38:13,391
from the code

7195
05:38:13,393 --> 05:38:14,394
on all the planned approval documents,

7196
05:38:14,394 --> 05:38:16,394
the planned approval

7197
05:38:16,396 --> 05:38:17,397
blocks that says right out of the

7198
05:38:17,397 --> 05:38:19,397
code,

7199
05:38:20,400 --> 05:38:22,402
approval of this is not

7200
05:38:22,402 --> 05:38:23,403
going to remove the responsibility

7201
05:38:23,403 --> 05:38:25,403
from

7202
05:38:25,405 --> 05:38:29,409
the engineers on the effects of the runoff. We

7203
05:38:29,409 --> 05:38:30,410
are

7204
05:38:30,410 --> 05:38:32,412
doing this for environmental mitigation purposes

7205
05:38:32,412 --> 05:38:34,381
only, that's what this permit

7206
05:38:34,381 --> 05:38:35,382
is for. I understand there's a lot

7207
05:38:35,382 --> 05:38:37,384
of concerns that will

7208
05:38:37,384 --> 05:38:38,385
go on when they see a development

7209
05:38:38,385 --> 05:38:40,385
going

7210
05:38:41,388 --> 05:38:43,390
on next door, and

7211
05:38:43,390 --> 05:38:45,392
I understand why that's going to happen. Unless

7212
05:38:45,392 --> 05:38:47,394
something has occurred, we are predicting

7213
05:38:47,394 --> 05:38:48,395
that there will be damage.

7214
05:38:48,395 --> 05:38:50,395
>>

7215
05:38:50,397 --> 05:38:51,398
so my

7216
05:38:51,398 --> 05:38:55,402
question was not that. That has happened.

7217
05:38:55,402 --> 05:38:56,403
does that have any role or not? It

7218
05:38:56,403 --> 05:38:58,403
is going to

7219
05:38:59,406 --> 05:39:02,409
go to that and has to go.

7220
05:39:02,409 --> 05:39:04,411
>> now, during construction f there is

7221
05:39:04,411 --> 05:39:05,412
a concern, we could have our inspectors

7222
05:39:05,412 --> 05:39:06,413
take a

7223
05:39:06,413 --> 05:39:07,381
look and sometimes things do get built

7224
05:39:07,381 --> 05:39:08,382
wrong there, is a problem that doesn't

7225
05:39:08,382 --> 05:39:10,382
go the way

7226
05:39:10,384 --> 05:39:11,385
it should and we have to get on the contractor

7227
05:39:11,385 --> 05:39:13,387
to fix something. That's

7228
05:39:13,387 --> 05:39:14,388
why we have inspection staff out there

7229
05:39:14,388 --> 05:39:16,388
all

7230
05:39:17,391 --> 05:39:20,391
the time, looking at these

7231
05:39:20,394 --> 05:39:22,394
things. Certainly we're

7232
05:39:22,396 --> 05:39:23,397
on top of that part. The rainfall

7233
05:39:23,397 --> 05:39:25,397
events happen. Maybe

7234
05:39:25,399 --> 05:39:26,400
it's a rainfall event like one of

7235
05:39:26,400 --> 05:39:28,400
these

7236
05:39:28,402 --> 05:39:29,403
large catastrophic ones we've been

7237
05:39:29,403 --> 05:39:31,405
having. It's above and beyond

7238
05:39:31,405 --> 05:39:32,406
anything we've designed for and damage occurs. Someone

7239
05:39:32,406 --> 05:39:34,406
has to

7240
05:39:34,408 --> 05:39:35,409
make a claim and they have to make

7241
05:39:35,409 --> 05:39:37,409
that claim

7242
05:39:37,411 --> 05:39:38,412
to determine if they are necessary. That's a

7243
05:39:38,412 --> 05:39:39,413
civil issue.

7244
05:39:39,413 --> 05:39:40,380
>> okay,

7245
05:39:40,380 --> 05:39:41,381
thank you. I just wanted to make sure

7246
05:39:41,381 --> 05:39:42,382
that all of

7247
05:39:42,382 --> 05:39:44,384
us will understand that. Thank you.

7248
05:39:44,384 --> 05:39:46,784
>> thank you. I would

7249
05:39:47,387 --> 05:39:49,787
like to add one

7250
05:39:50,390 --> 05:39:51,391
more caveat to that discussion,

7251
05:39:51,391 --> 05:39:53,393
and that is the county code, actually,

7252
05:39:53,393 --> 05:39:55,393
this

7253
05:39:55,395 --> 05:39:56,396
is not in chapter 49, which is the

7254
05:39:56,396 --> 05:39:58,396
chapter that will

7255
05:39:59,399 --> 05:40:01,399
deal

7256
05:40:02,402 --> 05:40:05,405
with public right of way. The building,

7257
05:40:05,405 --> 05:40:08,408
which is chapter eight, has the

7258
05:40:08,408 --> 05:40:11,408
provision that will say if

7259
05:40:11,411 --> 05:40:13,380
you add the

7260
05:40:13,380 --> 05:40:14,381
addition to a lot with certain characteristics,

7261
05:40:14,381 --> 05:40:16,381
they will

7262
05:40:17,384 --> 05:40:20,384
need to be listed enough.

7263
05:40:20,387 --> 05:40:22,387
and the

7264
05:40:23,390 --> 05:40:26,393
amount of additions to be more

7265
05:40:26,393 --> 05:40:28,793
than 400 square feet or

7266
05:40:29,396 --> 05:40:31,396
adus, for example,

7267
05:40:32,399 --> 05:40:34,399
because

7268
05:40:34,401 --> 05:40:35,402
you mentioned it. In cases like that,

7269
05:40:35,402 --> 05:40:37,402
you

7270
05:40:38,405 --> 05:40:40,405
need to provide

7271
05:40:41,408 --> 05:40:43,408
some measures for

7272
05:40:44,411 --> 05:40:46,811
that. And the lot

7273
05:40:47,381 --> 05:40:50,381
is 11,000 square feet. We have

7274
05:40:53,387 --> 05:40:55,387
certain measures outlined

7275
05:40:56,390 --> 05:40:59,393
in the county, that would try

7276
05:40:59,393 --> 05:41:02,393
to lesson impact of that

7277
05:41:02,396 --> 05:41:04,796
addition or that development

7278
05:41:05,399 --> 05:41:06,400
to the next door neighbor. That

7279
05:41:06,400 --> 05:41:07,401
applies under the certain circumstances.

7280
05:41:07,401 --> 05:41:08,402
>>

7281
05:41:08,402 --> 05:41:10,402
it's a

7282
05:41:11,405 --> 05:41:13,405
part of

7283
05:41:14,408 --> 05:41:15,409
the building code?

7284
05:41:15,409 --> 05:41:16,410
>> yes, yes. >>

7285
05:41:16,410 --> 05:41:17,411
so just

7286
05:41:17,411 --> 05:41:18,412
to piggyback on what mark said. What

7287
05:41:18,412 --> 05:41:20,380
I

7288
05:41:20,380 --> 05:41:22,382
mentioned earlier will apply to the

7289
05:41:22,382 --> 05:41:26,386
county right of way and associated drainage structures.

7290
05:41:26,386 --> 05:41:28,386
it

7291
05:41:29,389 --> 05:41:31,389
doesn't

7292
05:41:31,391 --> 05:41:32,392
really apply to lot-to-lot runoff.

7293
05:41:32,392 --> 05:41:35,395
okay. Now, I'm going to get

7294
05:41:35,395 --> 05:41:37,395
into a little

7295
05:41:38,398 --> 05:41:40,400
bit of the technical comparison

7296
05:41:40,400 --> 05:41:41,401
between the storm drain and storm

7297
05:41:41,401 --> 05:41:43,801
management. Please let me

7298
05:41:44,404 --> 05:41:47,407
know if there is any ambiguity,

7299
05:41:47,407 --> 05:41:50,410
I could open it further. But as mark

7300
05:41:50,410 --> 05:41:52,810
said, storm drain system

7301
05:41:53,380 --> 05:41:56,383
is designed based on larger storms. Where

7302
05:41:56,383 --> 05:41:58,383
we talk about

7303
05:41:59,386 --> 05:42:01,386
larger storms, they

7304
05:42:02,389 --> 05:42:04,389
are the ones

7305
05:42:04,391 --> 05:42:05,392
that happen in the smaller frequencies. For

7306
05:42:05,392 --> 05:42:07,392
example, the snowstorm

7307
05:42:08,395 --> 05:42:10,395
that we're

7308
05:42:11,398 --> 05:42:12,399
going to get

7309
05:42:12,399 --> 05:42:14,401
this weekend. That's considered large

7310
05:42:14,401 --> 05:42:15,402
storm. It has very low frequency. It

7311
05:42:15,402 --> 05:42:17,402
will

7312
05:42:17,404 --> 05:42:19,406
happen every 20 years, 50 years

7313
05:42:19,406 --> 05:42:20,407
or what have you. The storm drainage

7314
05:42:20,407 --> 05:42:22,407
system

7315
05:42:24,411 --> 05:42:26,411
in the county

7316
05:42:26,413 --> 05:42:28,382
is designed based on ten-year storms. To

7317
05:42:28,382 --> 05:42:31,385
be the other jurisdiction. For example,

7318
05:42:31,385 --> 05:42:32,386
state highway administration, designs

7319
05:42:32,386 --> 05:42:35,986
are facilities for some 25-year storm.

7320
05:42:36,390 --> 05:42:37,391
the

7321
05:42:37,391 --> 05:42:39,393
stormwater management, however, as

7322
05:42:39,393 --> 05:42:41,393
mark mentioned is

7323
05:42:41,395 --> 05:42:42,396
normally designed based on one-year

7324
05:42:42,396 --> 05:42:43,397
storms,

7325
05:42:43,397 --> 05:42:45,399
which is being 2.6 inches. But ten

7326
05:42:45,399 --> 05:42:47,399
year storms

7327
05:42:48,402 --> 05:42:51,402
is between five and six

7328
05:42:51,405 --> 05:42:53,405
inches. 25-year storm

7329
05:42:54,408 --> 05:42:56,410
has been about seven inches. So

7330
05:42:56,410 --> 05:42:57,411
our storm drainage facilities are

7331
05:42:57,411 --> 05:42:59,411
designed

7332
05:43:00,380 --> 05:43:02,382
to convey the large amount of runoff

7333
05:43:02,382 --> 05:43:05,385
that happens when the large storm

7334
05:43:05,385 --> 05:43:11,385
occurs. Which is completely different from the stormwater management design.

7335
05:43:11,391 --> 05:43:15,395
now, public storm drain systems are under

7336
05:43:15,395 --> 05:43:16,396
purview of chapter

7337
05:43:16,396 --> 05:43:17,397
49 of the county code. And they are

7338
05:43:17,397 --> 05:43:21,597
maintained by the county department of transportation.

7339
05:43:23,403 --> 05:43:24,404
private storm drain systems, however,

7340
05:43:24,404 --> 05:43:25,405
they

7341
05:43:25,405 --> 05:43:27,407
are mostly maintained by the property owner.

7342
05:43:27,407 --> 05:43:29,407
I

7343
05:43:30,410 --> 05:43:32,412
got to say by definition, the

7344
05:43:32,412 --> 05:43:33,413
storm drainage system is public, if

7345
05:43:33,413 --> 05:43:35,413
it

7346
05:43:36,383 --> 05:43:39,383
contains a runoff from public

7347
05:43:39,386 --> 05:43:41,386
right

7348
05:43:42,389 --> 05:43:48,395
of way or public easement. And it's considered reverse of that.

7349
05:43:48,395 --> 05:43:50,395
and also as

7350
05:43:51,398 --> 05:43:53,798
I mentioned earlier in

7351
05:43:54,401 --> 05:43:55,402
the prezzennation, montgomery

7352
05:43:55,402 --> 05:43:57,404
county department of transportation reviews

7353
05:43:57,404 --> 05:43:59,404
this storm

7354
05:43:59,406 --> 05:44:00,407
drainage analysis and their impact

7355
05:44:00,407 --> 05:44:01,408
on downstream

7356
05:44:01,408 --> 05:44:02,409
system, during the preliminary planning

7357
05:44:02,409 --> 05:44:06,900
process and all stages before that.

7358
05:44:06,413 --> 05:44:09,383
and the right of way

7359
05:44:09,383 --> 05:44:11,383
does it

7360
05:44:12,386 --> 05:44:13,387
on the

7361
05:44:13,387 --> 05:44:15,389
site plan, and the permit. To pass

7362
05:44:15,389 --> 05:44:17,789
it on to mark

7363
05:44:18,392 --> 05:44:19,393
to continue

7364
05:44:19,393 --> 05:44:20,394
the comparison between the stormwater

7365
05:44:20,394 --> 05:44:21,395
management.

7366
05:44:21,395 --> 05:44:24,995
>> all right, back to me now.

7367
05:44:26,400 --> 05:44:31,200
>> the storm drain verses the storm management continues.

7368
05:44:36,410 --> 05:44:38,810
smaller storms, we catch

7369
05:44:39,413 --> 05:44:42,382
it, we hold it, we soak it in

7370
05:44:42,382 --> 05:44:43,383
the ground, we filter it, we

7371
05:44:43,383 --> 05:44:45,385
work on it. Public storm drain, they

7372
05:44:45,385 --> 05:44:47,387
will get the heck out of it

7373
05:44:47,387 --> 05:44:50,390
there. They convey it and they get

7374
05:44:50,390 --> 05:44:51,391
it off the roadway. It's a larger

7375
05:44:51,391 --> 05:44:53,391
storm event,

7376
05:44:53,393 --> 05:44:54,394
more impact to the voting public. Take

7377
05:44:54,394 --> 05:44:56,394
it

7378
05:44:57,397 --> 05:44:59,397
to where

7379
05:44:59,399 --> 05:45:00,400
it needs to go. That's the basic difference between

7380
05:45:00,400 --> 05:45:02,402
the two. They catch it,

7381
05:45:02,402 --> 05:45:06,406
we catch it, hold on to it, massage

7382
05:45:06,406 --> 05:45:07,407
it a little bit, hold

7383
05:45:07,407 --> 05:45:11,607
better, then go into the system. What

7384
05:45:12,412 --> 05:45:13,413
do we got here? What else?

7385
05:45:13,413 --> 05:45:15,382
>>

7386
05:45:15,382 --> 05:45:17,382
I have a

7387
05:45:18,385 --> 05:45:19,386
question about storm water management. Is

7388
05:45:19,386 --> 05:45:20,387
there

7389
05:45:20,387 --> 05:45:21,388
an actual facility that filters the

7390
05:45:21,388 --> 05:45:22,389
water?

7391
05:45:22,389 --> 05:45:24,389
>> yes. >> that's

7392
05:45:24,391 --> 05:45:26,391
a part of

7393
05:45:27,394 --> 05:45:28,395
dps?

7394
05:45:28,395 --> 05:45:29,396
>> yes. There's

7395
05:45:29,396 --> 05:45:30,397
a whole series of those. Things like

7396
05:45:30,397 --> 05:45:32,399
the dry well with the roof runoff

7397
05:45:32,399 --> 05:45:33,400
and pipe it to an underground, a little

7398
05:45:33,400 --> 05:45:35,400
box of rocks

7399
05:45:36,403 --> 05:45:38,405
to get held there. The rocks will

7400
05:45:38,405 --> 05:45:39,406
maintain the ratio, so they have a

7401
05:45:39,406 --> 05:45:42,409
place to be stored. You can't

7402
05:45:42,409 --> 05:45:44,411
go anywhere, but so can the

7403
05:45:44,411 --> 05:45:45,412
ground. That filters, that provides ground

7404
05:45:45,412 --> 05:45:47,412
water recharge. A

7405
05:45:48,382 --> 05:45:50,382
little bit

7406
05:45:51,385 --> 05:45:53,387
of runoff reduction. We have

7407
05:45:53,387 --> 05:45:54,388
rain gardens, the practices, basically

7408
05:45:54,388 --> 05:45:56,388
landscape areas that

7409
05:45:56,390 --> 05:46:00,394
are designed to catch and hold the water portion of it.

7410
05:46:00,394 --> 05:46:02,396
so it does soak into

7411
05:46:02,396 --> 05:46:03,397
the ground. Some of these structures

7412
05:46:03,397 --> 05:46:05,399
have the drains, so

7413
05:46:05,399 --> 05:46:06,400
they don't soak everything into the

7414
05:46:06,400 --> 05:46:08,400
ground. Maybe

7415
05:46:08,402 --> 05:46:13,802
they are not compatible with all that much infiltration.

7416
05:46:15,409 --> 05:46:17,411
clays, things like that, they really

7417
05:46:17,411 --> 05:46:18,412
don't soak into the ground really well. It

7418
05:46:18,412 --> 05:46:20,412
catches

7419
05:46:21,381 --> 05:46:23,781
it, it slows it

7420
05:46:24,384 --> 05:46:26,386
down, then it drains

7421
05:46:26,386 --> 05:46:27,387
what can't soak in and beyond.

7422
05:46:27,387 --> 05:46:28,388
>>

7423
05:46:28,388 --> 05:46:30,388
is

7424
05:46:30,390 --> 05:46:32,390
this

7425
05:46:33,393 --> 05:46:34,394
similar to what they have?

7426
05:46:34,394 --> 05:46:35,395
>>

7427
05:46:35,395 --> 05:46:36,396
completely different from the system. They don't

7428
05:46:36,396 --> 05:46:39,399
want any rain water getting into their system.

7429
05:46:39,399 --> 05:46:41,399
the only

7430
05:46:42,402 --> 05:46:43,403
water they want to have is why it comes

7431
05:46:43,403 --> 05:46:45,403
out

7432
05:46:45,405 --> 05:46:46,406
of the hose, goes back into the toilet

7433
05:46:46,406 --> 05:46:48,406
or

7434
05:46:48,408 --> 05:46:50,410
your sink. That circular

7435
05:46:50,410 --> 05:46:51,411
thing. They don't want water coming into

7436
05:46:51,411 --> 05:46:54,381
their system. They want to account for

7437
05:46:54,381 --> 05:46:55,382
it as much as they can where they

7438
05:46:55,382 --> 05:46:56,383
are constantly fighting for

7439
05:46:56,383 --> 05:46:57,384
that. That's a different type of treatment

7440
05:46:57,384 --> 05:46:59,384
and that

7441
05:46:59,386 --> 05:47:03,390
is for sanitary sewer and public water delivery.

7442
05:47:03,390 --> 05:47:05,390
>> is your

7443
05:47:06,393 --> 05:47:09,393
department --do you all have

7444
05:47:09,396 --> 05:47:10,397
a program for rain barrels for residents

7445
05:47:10,397 --> 05:47:11,398
or do

7446
05:47:11,398 --> 05:47:12,399
you have that program or rain barrel?

7447
05:47:12,399 --> 05:47:13,400
>>

7448
05:47:13,400 --> 05:47:15,400
kind of a

7449
05:47:15,402 --> 05:47:16,403
branch to answer that one. Rain barrels

7450
05:47:16,403 --> 05:47:18,403
are

7451
05:47:18,405 --> 05:47:22,409
approved in the state manual and in

7452
05:47:22,409 --> 05:47:25,409
chapter 19 of the code for

7453
05:47:25,412 --> 05:47:26,413
use

7454
05:47:26,413 --> 05:47:28,382
as stormwater management treatment practices. They're

7455
05:47:28,382 --> 05:47:29,383
rarely used because they don't

7456
05:47:29,383 --> 05:47:31,385
provide much treatment at all. Rain

7457
05:47:31,385 --> 05:47:33,385
barrel programs, and

7458
05:47:33,387 --> 05:47:34,388
this is perfect timing. I was just

7459
05:47:34,388 --> 05:47:36,388
about to

7460
05:47:36,390 --> 05:47:37,391
mention montgomery county department

7461
05:47:37,391 --> 05:47:38,392
of environmental protection. They

7462
05:47:38,392 --> 05:47:40,392
have

7463
05:47:40,394 --> 05:47:43,394
rain barrel programs and they

7464
05:47:43,397 --> 05:47:45,399
have a rain program that

7465
05:47:45,399 --> 05:47:46,400
is not regulatory. There is no requirement standards

7466
05:47:46,400 --> 05:47:48,400
for

7467
05:47:49,403 --> 05:47:51,803
their stuff in their

7468
05:47:52,406 --> 05:47:53,407
program, but they

7469
05:47:53,407 --> 05:47:55,409
help people manage runoff on their property

7470
05:47:55,409 --> 05:47:56,410
and do similar

7471
05:47:56,410 --> 05:47:58,412
things the stormwater management do. One

7472
05:47:58,412 --> 05:47:59,413
of the stuff they promote

7473
05:47:59,413 --> 05:48:03,130
is rain gardens and rain barrels.

7474
05:48:09,389 --> 05:48:10,390
>> vision the division that shows

7475
05:48:10,390 --> 05:48:12,390
the visual parcel

7476
05:48:13,393 --> 05:48:14,394
and determines whether or

7477
05:48:14,394 --> 05:48:15,395
not the parcel percolates?

7478
05:48:15,395 --> 05:48:16,396
>> we require

7479
05:48:16,396 --> 05:48:18,396
as

7480
05:48:19,399 --> 05:48:20,400
part of our review that

7481
05:48:20,400 --> 05:48:22,402
they do a geotechnical investigation. If

7482
05:48:22,402 --> 05:48:24,404
it's going through the planning

7483
05:48:24,404 --> 05:48:25,405
process, it's a formal infiltration

7484
05:48:25,405 --> 05:48:27,405
test

7485
05:48:28,408 --> 05:48:31,408
that a firm has to

7486
05:48:31,411 --> 05:48:33,413
go out and do based on certain

7487
05:48:33,413 --> 05:48:34,381
standards for percolating. If it's a

7488
05:48:34,381 --> 05:48:36,383
single-family teardown and they

7489
05:48:36,383 --> 05:48:38,385
are building a new one, we have an

7490
05:48:38,385 --> 05:48:40,387
abbreviated form of that. But they

7491
05:48:40,387 --> 05:48:42,389
still have to get soil data,

7492
05:48:42,389 --> 05:48:43,390
so we see how much and what the soils

7493
05:48:43,390 --> 05:48:45,390
look

7494
05:48:45,392 --> 05:48:46,393
like and how much infiltration the

7495
05:48:46,393 --> 05:48:49,393
soils could probably take. Now,

7496
05:48:49,396 --> 05:48:51,396
when we get

7497
05:48:51,398 --> 05:48:52,399
to the septic section of the discussion,

7498
05:48:52,399 --> 05:48:54,399
we can

7499
05:48:55,402 --> 05:48:56,403
talk about septic fields and their

7500
05:48:56,403 --> 05:48:57,404
percolation

7501
05:48:57,404 --> 05:48:58,405
requirements because they have those requirements

7502
05:48:58,405 --> 05:49:00,407
as well that I won't get

7503
05:49:00,407 --> 05:49:01,408
into because I will have to make it

7504
05:49:01,408 --> 05:49:03,410
all up. But we'll

7505
05:49:03,410 --> 05:49:04,411
have the expert here to tell you about

7506
05:49:04,411 --> 05:49:07,381
it on that step. This is why

7507
05:49:07,381 --> 05:49:08,382
we're here a little bit because there

7508
05:49:08,382 --> 05:49:09,383
are

7509
05:49:09,383 --> 05:49:10,384
so many things that happen with water and

7510
05:49:10,384 --> 05:49:12,384
runoff that

7511
05:49:12,386 --> 05:49:13,387
it is hard to determine who is doing

7512
05:49:13,387 --> 05:49:15,787
what. Believe me, we

7513
05:49:16,390 --> 05:49:18,390
get all

7514
05:49:19,393 --> 05:49:20,394
kinds of mixed questions

7515
05:49:20,394 --> 05:49:21,395
from everybody, constantly through

7516
05:49:21,395 --> 05:49:22,396
311, everybody in our own department, asking

7517
05:49:22,396 --> 05:49:23,397
us

7518
05:49:23,397 --> 05:49:28,197
questions that are not permanent to the specialty.

7519
05:49:28,402 --> 05:49:31,405
we, and stormwater management, filter and

7520
05:49:31,405 --> 05:49:35,500
feed the storms for base flow

7521
05:49:35,409 --> 05:49:37,411
by infiltrating for environmental

7522
05:49:37,411 --> 05:49:39,411
mitigation purposes. They

7523
05:49:39,413 --> 05:49:40,414
will give people portable water, treats

7524
05:49:40,414 --> 05:49:42,382
the affluent right of

7525
05:49:42,382 --> 05:49:43,383
way, takes those larger storms and

7526
05:49:43,383 --> 05:49:46,386
make sure they don't back up

7527
05:49:46,386 --> 05:49:47,387
into the street

7528
05:49:47,387 --> 05:49:49,389
to cause people to hydroplane, and

7529
05:49:49,389 --> 05:49:51,389
convey it

7530
05:49:52,392 --> 05:49:53,393
to a safe location. Their conveyance

7531
05:49:53,393 --> 05:49:55,393
is work treatment,

7532
05:49:55,395 --> 05:49:57,395
and provides

7533
05:49:57,397 --> 05:49:58,398
it and treats it. For consumption

7534
05:49:58,398 --> 05:49:59,399
and use.

7535
05:49:59,399 --> 05:50:01,399
>> so mark,

7536
05:50:01,401 --> 05:50:04,401
for based on what you

7537
05:50:04,404 --> 05:50:05,405
said, I would like to add something

7538
05:50:05,405 --> 05:50:07,405
else. Correct

7539
05:50:07,407 --> 05:50:08,408
me if I'm wrong.

7540
05:50:08,408 --> 05:50:09,409
>> I'm not surprised. >>

7541
05:50:09,409 --> 05:50:10,410
I

7542
05:50:10,410 --> 05:50:12,810
think it is good

7543
05:50:13,413 --> 05:50:16,383
for all of us to understand because

7544
05:50:16,383 --> 05:50:17,384
when rainfalls come, okay.

7545
05:50:17,384 --> 05:50:18,385
>>

7546
05:50:18,385 --> 05:50:19,386
yes.

7547
05:50:19,386 --> 05:50:20,387
>> the first, I think, I would say

7548
05:50:20,387 --> 05:50:22,389
I don't know if that

7549
05:50:22,389 --> 05:50:24,391
is the same one yet,

7550
05:50:24,391 --> 05:50:25,392
but the stormwater management because

7551
05:50:25,392 --> 05:50:28,392
it -- it comes down,

7552
05:50:28,395 --> 05:50:31,398
it is something that we want

7553
05:50:31,398 --> 05:50:32,399
to manage because it is a slow, and

7554
05:50:32,399 --> 05:50:34,399
the dirt is

7555
05:50:34,401 --> 05:50:36,401
there, so we

7556
05:50:37,404 --> 05:50:40,404
want to manage. But after

7557
05:50:40,407 --> 05:50:43,407
that one year, that first

7558
05:50:43,410 --> 05:50:44,411
flash, it conveys because the storm

7559
05:50:44,411 --> 05:50:46,413
drain doesn't manage. It just goes. But

7560
05:50:46,413 --> 05:50:48,813
the reason it doesn't

7561
05:50:49,383 --> 05:50:52,386
need to be managed because the water has

7562
05:50:52,386 --> 05:50:53,387
already been taken away for you, or

7563
05:50:53,387 --> 05:50:54,388
to

7564
05:50:54,388 --> 05:50:55,389
avoid what you're talking about. But

7565
05:50:55,389 --> 05:50:57,789
the other one is

7566
05:50:58,392 --> 05:51:01,395
so fast that it doesn't have

7567
05:51:01,395 --> 05:51:03,397
time to take it. So the storm drain

7568
05:51:03,397 --> 05:51:04,398
doesn't do any kind of management

7569
05:51:04,398 --> 05:51:06,398
or cleaning

7570
05:51:06,400 --> 05:51:07,401
of the pollutant. It just takes you

7571
05:51:07,401 --> 05:51:09,801
to the pipes and

7572
05:51:10,404 --> 05:51:11,405
the pipes will go right through the

7573
05:51:11,405 --> 05:51:12,406
drain, is

7574
05:51:12,406 --> 05:51:13,407
that correct?

7575
05:51:13,407 --> 05:51:14,408
>> yes, we are getting

7576
05:51:14,408 --> 05:51:15,409
into hydrology one on

7577
05:51:15,409 --> 05:51:16,410
one now, there are no pdus available

7578
05:51:16,410 --> 05:51:18,410
for

7579
05:51:19,413 --> 05:51:21,381
this one, by the way. But yeah,

7580
05:51:21,381 --> 05:51:22,382
that's correct. A couple of reasons

7581
05:51:22,382 --> 05:51:24,384
why we treat the

7582
05:51:24,384 --> 05:51:25,385
one-year storm, the most frequent

7583
05:51:25,385 --> 05:51:27,387
storm. It has more impact on

7584
05:51:27,387 --> 05:51:28,388
erosion in the stream systems. It

7585
05:51:28,388 --> 05:51:30,388
also, the

7586
05:51:31,391 --> 05:51:32,392
first bit of rain that falls washes

7587
05:51:32,392 --> 05:51:33,393
off

7588
05:51:33,393 --> 05:51:34,394
a lot of the pollutants. That's what

7589
05:51:34,394 --> 05:51:36,394
she means

7590
05:51:36,396 --> 05:51:37,397
by first flush. We used to look at

7591
05:51:37,397 --> 05:51:39,797
that first half inch

7592
05:51:40,400 --> 05:51:41,401
as being the water quality. We don't

7593
05:51:41,401 --> 05:51:42,402
do

7594
05:51:42,402 --> 05:51:43,403
that currently, but it is still the

7595
05:51:43,403 --> 05:51:45,403
same. The number

7596
05:51:45,405 --> 05:51:46,406
is different, but the same philosophy. First

7597
05:51:46,406 --> 05:51:48,806
dirty part, we want

7598
05:51:49,409 --> 05:51:50,410
to take it and actually get it out of

7599
05:51:50,410 --> 05:51:52,412
the main flow and

7600
05:51:52,412 --> 05:51:53,413
let the rest of it go on. We want

7601
05:51:53,413 --> 05:51:55,413
to

7602
05:51:57,384 --> 05:51:59,386
segregate it in our capture practices,

7603
05:51:59,386 --> 05:52:02,389
get that dirty stuff here, lock

7604
05:52:02,389 --> 05:52:04,391
it up, let the rest of it

7605
05:52:04,391 --> 05:52:05,392
go straight on through for conveyance

7606
05:52:05,392 --> 05:52:07,392
only. If that

7607
05:52:08,395 --> 05:52:11,398
larger flow comes into the dirty

7608
05:52:11,398 --> 05:52:14,401
flow, then it gets mixed and it

7609
05:52:14,401 --> 05:52:15,402
will have to be cleaned

7610
05:52:15,402 --> 05:52:17,404
again. Our efficiency starts to plummet, so

7611
05:52:17,404 --> 05:52:20,404
the most efficient way to

7612
05:52:20,407 --> 05:52:21,408
do it, segregate the dirty

7613
05:52:21,408 --> 05:52:22,409
flow somewhere, treat it separately. I

7614
05:52:22,409 --> 05:52:23,410
was just about to talk about some

7615
05:52:23,410 --> 05:52:25,410
of this,

7616
05:52:25,412 --> 05:52:26,413
and send the rest of it where it needs

7617
05:52:26,413 --> 05:52:28,413
to

7618
05:52:29,383 --> 05:52:31,383
go because

7619
05:52:32,386 --> 05:52:34,386
it is

7620
05:52:34,388 --> 05:52:37,391
less treatable, let's just say. All

7621
05:52:37,391 --> 05:52:40,991
right, dep. Important to note, when

7622
05:52:41,395 --> 05:52:42,396
we put the

7623
05:52:42,396 --> 05:52:44,398
stormwater management practices in

7624
05:52:44,398 --> 05:52:47,398
place, state model and chapter 19

7625
05:52:47,401 --> 05:52:48,402
requires we

7626
05:52:48,402 --> 05:52:49,403
have an enforceable maintenance agreement

7627
05:52:49,403 --> 05:52:50,404
associated with those. You can't just

7628
05:52:50,404 --> 05:52:52,404
put

7629
05:52:53,407 --> 05:52:55,409
something in and expect it

7630
05:52:55,409 --> 05:52:56,410
to take care of itself forever. Somebody

7631
05:52:56,410 --> 05:52:58,410
has to

7632
05:52:59,413 --> 05:53:02,382
inspect it and maintain it. The

7633
05:53:02,382 --> 05:53:03,383
montgomery county department of

7634
05:53:03,383 --> 05:53:04,384
environmental protection is the handoff. Once

7635
05:53:04,384 --> 05:53:05,385
we close the permit, they pick up

7636
05:53:05,385 --> 05:53:07,385
the responsibility

7637
05:53:08,388 --> 05:53:09,389
for inspection. In

7638
05:53:09,389 --> 05:53:11,391
some cases, maintenance of stormwater management

7639
05:53:11,391 --> 05:53:13,393
practices. So they will go out

7640
05:53:13,393 --> 05:53:14,394
every three years at least, and inspect

7641
05:53:14,394 --> 05:53:15,395
all the

7642
05:53:15,395 --> 05:53:20,195
practices, making sure people are maintaining them properly.

7643
05:53:20,400 --> 05:53:26,406
the next slide. I think this is the last slide that I got.

7644
05:53:26,406 --> 05:53:29,406
that dirty flow and passing

7645
05:53:29,409 --> 05:53:30,410
the rest

7646
05:53:30,410 --> 05:53:32,412
of it right on through. This is between

7647
05:53:32,412 --> 05:53:34,412
how

7648
05:53:35,382 --> 05:53:37,384
sam's pipes and my pipes

7649
05:53:37,384 --> 05:53:38,385
work. The roadwater here is a public grate,

7650
05:53:38,385 --> 05:53:40,385
but

7651
05:53:40,387 --> 05:53:41,388
the first part of it will drain directly

7652
05:53:41,388 --> 05:53:42,389
into

7653
05:53:42,389 --> 05:53:44,391
that vegetative area, which is what we

7654
05:53:44,391 --> 05:53:46,391
call it a

7655
05:53:47,394 --> 05:53:48,395
bio swell or a retention

7656
05:53:48,395 --> 05:53:50,397
practice. Once that gets that first

7657
05:53:50,397 --> 05:53:52,797
flush of water in

7658
05:53:53,400 --> 05:53:56,403
there and it starts to pond up, it

7659
05:53:56,403 --> 05:53:57,404
goes into an overflow pipe that will

7660
05:53:57,404 --> 05:53:59,406
go directly through and the rest of it

7661
05:53:59,406 --> 05:54:02,409
will have to sit there and soak if,

7662
05:54:02,409 --> 05:54:03,410
and that's what

7663
05:54:03,410 --> 05:54:05,412
we talked about segregating the initial

7664
05:54:05,412 --> 05:54:06,413
flush into those practices,

7665
05:54:06,413 --> 05:54:08,382
right off of that pavement. We would

7666
05:54:08,382 --> 05:54:10,382
try to do

7667
05:54:10,384 --> 05:54:11,385
this wherever we can. We try to fit

7668
05:54:11,385 --> 05:54:12,386
the stormwater management in,

7669
05:54:12,386 --> 05:54:14,388
wherever it could be fit in. This

7670
05:54:14,388 --> 05:54:16,390
is one of the ways

7671
05:54:16,390 --> 05:54:17,391
that we do it. I believe this actual

7672
05:54:17,391 --> 05:54:19,393
structure was built by

7673
05:54:19,393 --> 05:54:20,394
dep as one of their l.e.d. Projects

7674
05:54:20,394 --> 05:54:23,394
because they do a lot

7675
05:54:23,397 --> 05:54:25,399
of those things on the side as

7676
05:54:25,399 --> 05:54:26,400
well for other purposes through practices. But

7677
05:54:26,400 --> 05:54:29,403
that's what this was about. That's

7678
05:54:29,403 --> 05:54:30,404
what it slide was intended to indicate

7679
05:54:30,404 --> 05:54:32,406
exactly that. So thanks for being

7680
05:54:32,406 --> 05:54:35,406
ahead of the game there.

7681
05:54:38,412 --> 05:54:42,612
>> patience. >> unless you guys have additional questions?

7682
05:54:46,386 --> 05:54:47,387
>> great, thank you. One quick question. I've

7683
05:54:47,387 --> 05:54:49,387
heard

7684
05:54:53,393 --> 05:54:56,396
of the concept called combine sewers,

7685
05:54:56,396 --> 05:54:57,397
you know. I grew up in chicago.

7686
05:54:57,397 --> 05:54:58,398
>>

7687
05:54:58,398 --> 05:54:59,399
parts of

7688
05:54:59,399 --> 05:55:01,399
dc still have

7689
05:55:02,402 --> 05:55:03,403
a combined system, yeah.

7690
05:55:03,403 --> 05:55:05,403
>> so

7691
05:55:05,405 --> 05:55:08,408
who is responsible? So that is

7692
05:55:08,408 --> 05:55:10,410
not --in maryland, that's not

7693
05:55:10,410 --> 05:55:11,411
a thing?

7694
05:55:11,411 --> 05:55:12,412
>> it is the sanitary sewer district

7695
05:55:12,412 --> 05:55:14,381
that does

7696
05:55:14,381 --> 05:55:17,384
the combined sewer systems. They do

7697
05:55:17,384 --> 05:55:18,385
take influent water in those combined

7698
05:55:18,385 --> 05:55:19,386
systems and

7699
05:55:19,386 --> 05:55:20,387
take that into the treatment as well.

7700
05:55:20,387 --> 05:55:21,388
>>

7701
05:55:21,388 --> 05:55:22,389
okay.

7702
05:55:22,389 --> 05:55:23,390
>> we don't have

7703
05:55:23,390 --> 05:55:24,391
that here. And I think dc is trying

7704
05:55:24,391 --> 05:55:25,392
to phase it out. Some

7705
05:55:25,392 --> 05:55:26,393
places still have a combined system.

7706
05:55:26,393 --> 05:55:27,394
>>

7707
05:55:27,394 --> 05:55:29,394
montgomery county

7708
05:55:29,396 --> 05:55:30,397
does not?

7709
05:55:30,397 --> 05:55:32,399
>> no, we do not.

7710
05:55:32,399 --> 05:55:35,402
any of the rain that flows

7711
05:55:35,402 --> 05:55:36,403
off of your property will go into

7712
05:55:36,403 --> 05:55:38,403
the storm

7713
05:55:38,405 --> 05:55:39,406
drain?

7714
05:55:39,406 --> 05:55:40,407
>> atmospheric runoff

7715
05:55:40,407 --> 05:55:41,408
is what we deal with. Wssc does deal,

7716
05:55:41,408 --> 05:55:43,408
in

7717
05:55:43,410 --> 05:55:44,411
some way with the atmospheric runoff

7718
05:55:44,411 --> 05:55:46,413
because there are reservoirs

7719
05:55:46,413 --> 05:55:47,414
that they use to provide drinking

7720
05:55:47,414 --> 05:55:48,382
water.

7721
05:55:48,382 --> 05:55:49,383
>> right. >> but

7722
05:55:49,383 --> 05:55:50,384
once it's in their system, they keep

7723
05:55:50,384 --> 05:55:52,784
track of how much

7724
05:55:53,387 --> 05:55:54,388
is going out.

7725
05:55:54,388 --> 05:55:56,388
>> right. >>

7726
05:55:56,390 --> 05:55:58,390
into the

7727
05:55:58,392 --> 05:55:59,393
portable system. People's sinks and

7728
05:55:59,393 --> 05:56:01,393
showers and the

7729
05:56:02,396 --> 05:56:05,399
water hoses in their front yard. What's

7730
05:56:05,399 --> 05:56:06,400
coming back into those systems, they

7731
05:56:06,400 --> 05:56:07,401
keep

7732
05:56:07,401 --> 05:56:08,402
track of that budget to make sure

7733
05:56:08,402 --> 05:56:11,405
they don't have a lot of influence

7734
05:56:11,405 --> 05:56:13,805
flow coming in like

7735
05:56:14,408 --> 05:56:15,409
you would have in the mixed system. That'll reduce their

7736
05:56:15,409 --> 05:56:16,410
efficiency of the

7737
05:56:16,410 --> 05:56:17,411
treatment and run up their cost tremendously.

7738
05:56:17,411 --> 05:56:19,411
>> my last question.

7739
05:56:23,383 --> 05:56:25,383
so we

7740
05:56:25,385 --> 05:56:26,386
have said from time to time that the

7741
05:56:26,386 --> 05:56:28,786
city has a house

7742
05:56:29,389 --> 05:56:31,389
that was built

7743
05:56:32,392 --> 05:56:34,792
15, 20 years ago. And the

7744
05:56:35,395 --> 05:56:37,395
runoff, they

7745
05:56:38,398 --> 05:56:41,401
had no stormwater management system, right? Just

7746
05:56:41,401 --> 05:56:42,402
whatever the rain soaked up?

7747
05:56:42,402 --> 05:56:44,402
>>

7748
05:56:44,404 --> 05:56:45,405
yeah.

7749
05:56:45,405 --> 05:56:47,405
>> now a

7750
05:56:47,407 --> 05:56:48,408
house that has built today on the

7751
05:56:48,408 --> 05:56:50,408
same,

7752
05:56:50,410 --> 05:56:53,413
scraped in the same lot and the

7753
05:56:53,413 --> 05:56:55,813
stormwater management system. So

7754
05:56:56,383 --> 05:56:58,383
you

7755
05:56:58,385 --> 05:56:59,386
are capturing the one year? I mean,

7756
05:56:59,386 --> 05:57:01,386
you

7757
05:57:02,389 --> 05:57:04,389
are ending up

7758
05:57:05,392 --> 05:57:07,392
with less runoff

7759
05:57:08,395 --> 05:57:10,397
than the home had before. Is that

7760
05:57:10,397 --> 05:57:12,399
typically right or not right? I know

7761
05:57:12,399 --> 05:57:14,401
we're treating it, but it's

7762
05:57:14,401 --> 05:57:15,402
only the one year rainfall?

7763
05:57:15,402 --> 05:57:16,403
>> yeah,

7764
05:57:16,403 --> 05:57:18,405
you have to remember what rainfall

7765
05:57:18,405 --> 05:57:21,405
event you're working with and

7766
05:57:21,408 --> 05:57:23,410
what lot. I think we're getting

7767
05:57:23,410 --> 05:57:24,411
to a lot of runoff questions. What

7768
05:57:24,411 --> 05:57:26,411
surface

7769
05:57:27,414 --> 05:57:30,384
runoffs from lot to lot requires in

7770
05:57:30,384 --> 05:57:31,385
terms of the rainfall

7771
05:57:31,385 --> 05:57:32,386
event to create that surface flow. By

7772
05:57:32,386 --> 05:57:33,387
the time we get past the one year

7773
05:57:33,387 --> 05:57:35,387
event

7774
05:57:36,390 --> 05:57:37,391
to cause some

7775
05:57:37,391 --> 05:57:40,394
of those larger surface runoff concerns,

7776
05:57:40,394 --> 05:57:42,396
we are beyond the captured limit of

7777
05:57:42,396 --> 05:57:43,397
the one

7778
05:57:43,397 --> 05:57:45,399
year storm any way. So also, please

7779
05:57:45,399 --> 05:57:46,400
bear in mind, when we're talking

7780
05:57:46,400 --> 05:57:48,402
about working within the one year

7781
05:57:48,402 --> 05:57:50,402
storm system, we

7782
05:57:51,405 --> 05:57:53,805
are not capturing 2.6 inches

7783
05:57:54,408 --> 05:57:55,409
of

7784
05:57:55,409 --> 05:57:57,411
runoff in our structures. There's

7785
05:57:57,411 --> 05:58:00,411
a calculation that compares that

7786
05:58:00,414 --> 05:58:02,382
developed runoff to a predeveloped

7787
05:58:02,382 --> 05:58:06,386
runoff condition, where there is also runoff. The

7788
05:58:06,386 --> 05:58:07,387
difference that delta is what we

7789
05:58:07,387 --> 05:58:09,389
are actually working with treatment

7790
05:58:09,389 --> 05:58:10,390
for.

7791
05:58:10,390 --> 05:58:11,391
>> right. >> so it might

7792
05:58:11,391 --> 05:58:14,394
be close to a 2.6 inch, if you are

7793
05:58:14,394 --> 05:58:15,395
paving the whole thing with concrete. That's

7794
05:58:15,395 --> 05:58:17,395
a big

7795
05:58:18,398 --> 05:58:19,399
delta. We are going to get close

7796
05:58:19,399 --> 05:58:21,401
to treating that 2.6. We call them

7797
05:58:21,401 --> 05:58:23,801
pes. Some of those

7798
05:58:24,404 --> 05:58:27,407
get up to 2.6. It may be down as

7799
05:58:27,407 --> 05:58:29,409
low as a pe of one inch that

7800
05:58:29,409 --> 05:58:30,410
the required treatment is providing

7801
05:58:30,410 --> 05:58:33,413
control for. Something that's not a very dense development.

7802
05:58:33,413 --> 05:58:35,413
it is

7803
05:58:36,383 --> 05:58:37,384
not much of an

7804
05:58:37,384 --> 05:58:39,386
impact. So it varies. Sometimes it's

7805
05:58:39,386 --> 05:58:40,387
2.6. But often it's not.

7806
05:58:40,387 --> 05:58:41,388
>> okay. >>

7807
05:58:41,388 --> 05:58:42,389
and those cases where we are tearing

7808
05:58:42,389 --> 05:58:43,390
down the house, putting in a new

7809
05:58:43,390 --> 05:58:45,392
one that didn't have stormwater before,

7810
05:58:45,392 --> 05:58:48,395
and we're going to have stormwater

7811
05:58:48,395 --> 05:58:49,396
now. We would try to get every bit

7812
05:58:49,396 --> 05:58:51,398
of that compliance standard provided

7813
05:58:51,398 --> 05:58:53,400
on that lot. But in those

7814
05:58:53,400 --> 05:58:54,401
cases where it is physically not possible

7815
05:58:54,401 --> 05:58:56,401
to

7816
05:58:56,403 --> 05:58:58,405
do it, we may issue a stormwater waiver

7817
05:58:58,405 --> 05:58:59,406
or partial waiver.

7818
05:58:59,406 --> 05:59:00,407
>> right. >> but

7819
05:59:00,407 --> 05:59:02,407
9/11 had that

7820
05:59:03,410 --> 05:59:05,410
partial waiver condition,

7821
05:59:06,413 --> 05:59:08,382
many times that finished modern lot

7822
05:59:08,382 --> 05:59:09,383
has more treatment in the one year storm

7823
05:59:09,383 --> 05:59:10,384
than

7824
05:59:10,384 --> 05:59:11,385
what was there before, previously.

7825
05:59:11,385 --> 05:59:12,386
>> right.

7826
05:59:12,386 --> 05:59:13,387
okay.

7827
05:59:13,387 --> 05:59:15,387
>>

7828
05:59:15,389 --> 05:59:16,390
and my last question may be you

7829
05:59:16,390 --> 05:59:18,392
or the other group. They're all in

7830
05:59:18,392 --> 05:59:20,392
the

7831
05:59:21,395 --> 05:59:23,795
same page on my

7832
05:59:24,398 --> 05:59:26,400
board members. The slight

7833
05:59:26,400 --> 05:59:28,402
plan and the record plat. I mean,

7834
05:59:28,402 --> 05:59:30,404
the record plat is more. The boundaries

7835
05:59:30,404 --> 05:59:33,404
of the site, you know,

7836
05:59:33,407 --> 05:59:36,407
the boundaries of the building,

7837
05:59:36,410 --> 05:59:39,413
all the easements, is that the record

7838
05:59:39,413 --> 05:59:42,382
plat verses the certified site

7839
05:59:42,382 --> 05:59:44,382
plan might

7840
05:59:45,385 --> 05:59:48,388
show all the other things, separate documents,

7841
05:59:48,388 --> 05:59:51,388
so everything is on the

7842
05:59:51,391 --> 05:59:52,392
same page?

7843
05:59:52,392 --> 05:59:54,392
>> yes. >> the

7844
05:59:54,394 --> 05:59:57,397
record plat is that shows the

7845
05:59:57,397 --> 05:59:59,397
lot lines, shows

7846
06:00:00,400 --> 06:00:02,400
the easements, the

7847
06:00:03,403 --> 06:00:06,406
legal restrictions and the conditions that

7848
06:00:06,406 --> 06:00:08,406
are imposed

7849
06:00:09,409 --> 06:00:11,409
by the

7850
06:00:11,411 --> 06:00:12,412
site plan process. They show the buildings,

7851
06:00:12,412 --> 06:00:14,812
the implication of the

7852
06:00:15,382 --> 06:00:21,382
curve and the pavement and the driveway. All that stuff.

7853
06:00:21,388 --> 06:00:24,388
those are the site plans.

7854
06:00:24,391 --> 06:00:30,397
so you can think of plat as the legal plan of the property.

7855
06:00:30,397 --> 06:00:32,397
what

7856
06:00:33,400 --> 06:00:35,402
the legal restrictions are on the property. The

7857
06:00:35,402 --> 06:00:36,403
lot line, easements, such.

7858
06:00:36,403 --> 06:00:37,404
>> and

7859
06:00:37,404 --> 06:00:38,405
just being clear. Okay, thank you.

7860
06:00:38,405 --> 06:00:39,406
okay.

7861
06:00:39,406 --> 06:00:42,409
those are my questions. This is great.

7862
06:00:42,409 --> 06:00:44,409
to get the

7863
06:00:45,412 --> 06:00:47,414
one on one. You guys are at the

7864
06:00:47,414 --> 06:00:48,382
4-point level. Thank you so much. Just

7865
06:00:48,382 --> 06:00:50,782
appreciating, knowing the process

7866
06:00:51,385 --> 06:00:52,386
and what you do, and how we all

7867
06:00:52,386 --> 06:00:53,387
work together. Any other questions

7868
06:00:53,387 --> 06:00:54,388
or comments from the board members?

7869
06:00:54,388 --> 06:00:56,388
>>

7870
06:00:56,390 --> 06:00:57,391
I could ask probably a thousand more questions.

7871
06:00:57,391 --> 06:00:58,392
>> I

7872
06:00:58,392 --> 06:01:00,394
already told them to tell me to shut

7873
06:01:00,394 --> 06:01:02,396
up if I talk too much, so

7874
06:01:02,396 --> 06:01:03,397
she shouldn't have talked to you,

7875
06:01:03,397 --> 06:01:04,398
I guess.

7876
06:01:04,398 --> 06:01:08,598
>> all right, but I really appreciate it.

7877
06:01:09,403 --> 06:01:12,406
you did an outstanding job, and I especially

7878
06:01:12,406 --> 06:01:15,409
like this photograph because it shows

7879
06:01:15,409 --> 06:01:16,410
how vegetation plays a part in control

7880
06:01:16,410 --> 06:01:17,411
and stormwater management. Thanks.

7881
06:01:17,411 --> 06:01:18,412
>>

7882
06:01:18,412 --> 06:01:19,413
and mr. Chair, I think we do have

7883
06:01:19,413 --> 06:01:21,381
a few more

7884
06:01:21,381 --> 06:01:22,382
slides on well and septic just to

7885
06:01:22,382 --> 06:01:23,383
end

7886
06:01:23,383 --> 06:01:24,384
it.

7887
06:01:24,384 --> 06:01:25,385
>> great. >> yep, yep, no, good. We're

7888
06:01:25,385 --> 06:01:26,386
here.

7889
06:01:26,386 --> 06:01:27,387
>>

7890
06:01:27,387 --> 06:01:30,987
and then I think that's it.

7891
06:01:54,414 --> 06:01:55,382
>> okay. There we go. So I guess I

7892
06:01:55,382 --> 06:01:57,382
was probably

7893
06:01:57,384 --> 06:01:58,385
suppose to it up there with those

7894
06:01:58,385 --> 06:01:59,386
guys. But I just wanted

7895
06:01:59,386 --> 06:02:03,390
to blend in with the audience, I guess.

7896
06:02:03,390 --> 06:02:05,390
my name

7897
06:02:06,393 --> 06:02:09,393
is jason flemming. I'm in

7898
06:02:09,396 --> 06:02:11,796
the dps oil and

7899
06:02:12,399 --> 06:02:14,799
septic section. I will

7900
06:02:15,402 --> 06:02:16,403
be here today to discuss the main

7901
06:02:16,403 --> 06:02:20,300
rules and responsibilities of our group.

7902
06:02:21,408 --> 06:02:23,408
so

7903
06:02:23,410 --> 06:02:25,412
we have a pretty small group when

7904
06:02:25,412 --> 06:02:27,414
it comes to the

7905
06:02:27,414 --> 06:02:28,382
size of the different sections. We

7906
06:02:28,382 --> 06:02:30,382
have

7907
06:02:30,384 --> 06:02:33,984
one supervisor, and we have three

7908
06:02:34,388 --> 06:02:36,390
plan reviewers and two field

7909
06:02:36,390 --> 06:02:39,393
inspectors. We also have to maintain

7910
06:02:39,393 --> 06:02:42,393
a certification as an environmental

7911
06:02:43,397 --> 06:02:45,397
health specialist through

7912
06:02:46,400 --> 06:02:49,403
the state's department of health. So

7913
06:02:49,403 --> 06:02:51,803
getting to the slides.

7914
06:02:56,410 --> 06:02:58,412
where our group comes in is anywhere

7915
06:02:58,412 --> 06:03:00,412
in the county

7916
06:03:01,381 --> 06:03:03,383
that does not have

7917
06:03:03,383 --> 06:03:04,384
access to the wssc system, public

7918
06:03:04,384 --> 06:03:06,784
water and public sewer,

7919
06:03:07,387 --> 06:03:10,387
that's where we come in.

7920
06:03:10,390 --> 06:03:12,390
for a

7921
06:03:12,392 --> 06:03:13,393
property, they need to have their

7922
06:03:13,393 --> 06:03:16,393
water supply on the lot.

7923
06:03:21,401 --> 06:03:23,401
that is on-

7924
06:03:23,403 --> 06:03:24,404
site waste water treatment system

7925
06:03:24,404 --> 06:03:26,404
or commonly

7926
06:03:27,407 --> 06:03:29,407
called a

7927
06:03:30,410 --> 06:03:32,810
septic system. So the

7928
06:03:33,413 --> 06:03:35,382
state regulations that

7929
06:03:35,382 --> 06:03:36,383
are delegated to us through the maryland

7930
06:03:36,383 --> 06:03:38,783
department of environment that

7931
06:03:39,386 --> 06:03:41,386
we

7932
06:03:42,389 --> 06:03:44,389
oversee are maryland

7933
06:03:45,392 --> 06:03:47,392
regulation 260402 for the

7934
06:03:48,395 --> 06:03:50,795
sewage disposal. We also

7935
06:03:51,398 --> 06:03:54,398
are in charge ofof 26403, the

7936
06:03:54,401 --> 06:03:55,402
state subdivision

7937
06:03:55,402 --> 06:03:57,404
regulations and then well construction

7938
06:03:57,404 --> 06:03:59,404
is through

7939
06:04:00,407 --> 06:04:02,407
260404.

7940
06:04:05,412 --> 06:04:06,413
montgomery county has their own well

7941
06:04:06,413 --> 06:04:08,413
and septic

7942
06:04:09,383 --> 06:04:11,783
regulations. That is in

7943
06:04:12,386 --> 06:04:14,386
27a.

7944
06:04:15,389 --> 06:04:17,391
the thing with our county

7945
06:04:17,391 --> 06:04:18,392
regulations are that we can be more

7946
06:04:18,392 --> 06:04:20,392
strict than the

7947
06:04:21,395 --> 06:04:24,395
state regs, but we cannot

7948
06:04:24,398 --> 06:04:26,398
be less strict.

7949
06:04:27,401 --> 06:04:29,401
in the

7950
06:04:29,403 --> 06:04:30,404
aspects of our regulations where we

7951
06:04:30,404 --> 06:04:31,405
hold a little

7952
06:04:31,405 --> 06:04:35,500
bit higher requirements versus the state.

7953
06:04:39,413 --> 06:04:41,413
a well and

7954
06:04:42,382 --> 06:04:45,382
septic review is usually triggered,

7955
06:04:45,385 --> 06:04:46,386
like I said, when there is a property

7956
06:04:46,386 --> 06:04:48,386
that

7957
06:04:48,388 --> 06:04:51,391
does not haves it access to the

7958
06:04:51,391 --> 06:04:53,391
water

7959
06:04:54,394 --> 06:04:56,394
supply

7960
06:04:57,397 --> 06:05:00,397
or the viewer system. That

7961
06:05:00,400 --> 06:05:02,800
is designated as a

7962
06:05:03,403 --> 06:05:05,403
w6 or s6

7963
06:05:06,406 --> 06:05:08,406
category.

7964
06:05:12,412 --> 06:05:14,412
just on

7965
06:05:15,382 --> 06:05:18,382
the approval process, this is

7966
06:05:18,385 --> 06:05:20,785
where I think a

7967
06:05:21,388 --> 06:05:23,390
lot of people here, the percolation

7968
06:05:23,390 --> 06:05:24,391
test, that would be us. It has to

7969
06:05:24,391 --> 06:05:26,391
do with

7970
06:05:26,393 --> 06:05:27,394
the septic system. I had calls where

7971
06:05:27,394 --> 06:05:29,394
people want to

7972
06:05:30,397 --> 06:05:33,400
know if they need to perc for their

7973
06:05:33,400 --> 06:05:35,400
well. Do not.

7974
06:05:35,402 --> 06:05:36,403
the water is there underneath the

7975
06:05:36,403 --> 06:05:38,405
ground. You just have

7976
06:05:38,405 --> 06:05:39,406
to drill a hole down deep enough to

7977
06:05:39,406 --> 06:05:41,406
get to

7978
06:05:42,409 --> 06:05:44,409
it. The percolation

7979
06:05:45,412 --> 06:05:47,412
test is

7980
06:05:48,382 --> 06:05:50,382
basically the

7981
06:05:50,384 --> 06:05:51,385
soil component of a septic system.

7982
06:05:51,385 --> 06:05:53,385
not all

7983
06:05:54,388 --> 06:05:56,388
soils are

7984
06:05:57,391 --> 06:05:59,391
the same.

7985
06:06:01,395 --> 06:06:03,395
there

7986
06:06:04,398 --> 06:06:05,399
has to be an area that the soils

7987
06:06:05,399 --> 06:06:07,799
demonstrate that essentially they

7988
06:06:10,404 --> 06:06:12,406
can allow the waste water

7989
06:06:12,406 --> 06:06:16,410
to filter down through the soil. That

7990
06:06:16,410 --> 06:06:17,411
is essentially what we are

7991
06:06:17,411 --> 06:06:22,211
using to protect the groundwaters of the state.

7992
06:06:22,382 --> 06:06:23,383
there are

7993
06:06:23,383 --> 06:06:25,385
requirements associated with that.

7994
06:06:25,385 --> 06:06:27,385
the biggest

7995
06:06:28,388 --> 06:06:30,788
one is in the

7996
06:06:31,391 --> 06:06:33,393
state regs there is a

7997
06:06:33,393 --> 06:06:34,394
four-foot treatment zone. So, that

7998
06:06:34,394 --> 06:06:36,394
is a

7999
06:06:37,397 --> 06:06:39,797
four-foot buffer between the

8000
06:06:40,400 --> 06:06:42,400
groundwater andand

8001
06:06:43,403 --> 06:06:45,403
bottom of t

8002
06:06:46,406 --> 06:06:48,406
he septic

8003
06:06:49,409 --> 06:06:51,809
trenches. The way that

8004
06:06:52,412 --> 06:06:55,382
we in montgomery county in

8005
06:06:55,382 --> 06:06:57,384
our group determine or make sure that we are

8006
06:06:57,384 --> 06:07:00,984
meeting that separation is that we

8007
06:07:01,388 --> 06:07:04,391
do tests. The first test that we

8008
06:07:04,391 --> 06:07:06,791
do is called a

8009
06:07:07,394 --> 06:07:09,394
water table test.

8010
06:07:16,403 --> 06:07:18,403
it is lowest

8011
06:07:18,405 --> 06:07:19,406
towards the end of the summer when

8012
06:07:19,406 --> 06:07:21,406
you

8013
06:07:21,408 --> 06:07:24,411
had the vegetation pull and grow and

8014
06:07:24,411 --> 06:07:27,411
the evaporation. The groundwater recharges

8015
06:07:28,382 --> 06:07:30,382
through the winter.

8016
06:07:31,385 --> 06:07:32,386
so, late

8017
06:07:32,386 --> 06:07:34,388
winter, early spring is when we go

8018
06:07:34,388 --> 06:07:36,390
out and do the water

8019
06:07:36,390 --> 06:07:37,391
table tests. They are dug down to

8020
06:07:37,391 --> 06:07:39,391
at

8021
06:07:40,394 --> 06:07:42,396
least 15 feet, and then

8022
06:07:42,396 --> 06:07:43,397
sometimes you will not hit the groundwater

8023
06:07:43,397 --> 06:07:45,397
table.

8024
06:07:46,400 --> 06:07:48,400
other times you

8025
06:07:49,403 --> 06:07:51,405
will. And then we would make

8026
06:07:51,405 --> 06:07:52,406
sure the septic trenches are installed

8027
06:07:52,406 --> 06:07:54,406
at least

8028
06:07:54,408 --> 06:07:55,409
four feet below that grounder water

8029
06:07:55,409 --> 06:07:57,409
table,

8030
06:07:57,411 --> 06:07:58,412
and it is time dependant. After that

8031
06:07:58,412 --> 06:08:00,412
we do

8032
06:08:00,414 --> 06:08:01,415
the percolation test. That can be

8033
06:08:01,415 --> 06:08:03,415
done any time

8034
06:08:04,384 --> 06:08:06,384
of the year.

8035
06:08:07,387 --> 06:08:09,387
again, that

8036
06:08:10,390 --> 06:08:12,390
is basically

8037
06:08:13,393 --> 06:08:15,393
to determine if

8038
06:08:16,396 --> 06:08:18,796
the soils in the

8039
06:08:19,399 --> 06:08:21,399
areas chosen

8040
06:08:22,402 --> 06:08:24,402
would support

8041
06:08:24,404 --> 06:08:25,405
a septic system. The different types

8042
06:08:25,405 --> 06:08:27,405
of

8043
06:08:28,408 --> 06:08:31,411
the systems that we use are

8044
06:08:31,411 --> 06:08:33,411
in-ground trench

8045
06:08:33,413 --> 06:08:34,414
systems. But if you have limitations

8046
06:08:34,414 --> 06:08:36,414
to

8047
06:08:37,384 --> 06:08:39,384
the property.

8048
06:08:40,387 --> 06:08:43,387
high groundwater table or a

8049
06:08:43,390 --> 06:08:45,390
rocky soil.

8050
06:08:49,396 --> 06:08:51,396
we want

8051
06:08:51,398 --> 06:08:52,399
that soil to act as a living filter.

8052
06:08:52,399 --> 06:08:54,399
there are

8053
06:08:54,401 --> 06:08:55,402
above ground systems. That is where

8054
06:08:55,402 --> 06:08:57,402
you hear

8055
06:08:58,405 --> 06:09:01,408
about sand mounds. So, maybe a

8056
06:09:01,408 --> 06:09:04,411
property that could not have a

8057
06:09:04,411 --> 06:09:05,412
trench system could still --you could

8058
06:09:05,412 --> 06:09:07,412
still

8059
06:09:07,414 --> 06:09:08,382
build a house and/or have a commercial

8060
06:09:08,382 --> 06:09:09,383
type

8061
06:09:09,383 --> 06:09:13,387
of facility using the sand mound system.

8062
06:09:13,387 --> 06:09:15,387
let me see.

8063
06:09:16,390 --> 06:09:18,790
what have I not

8064
06:09:19,393 --> 06:09:21,393
covered?

8065
06:09:21,395 --> 06:09:22,396
and then down at the bottom of the

8066
06:09:22,396 --> 06:09:24,396
slide

8067
06:09:24,398 --> 06:09:29,798
it talks about the requirements of the perc test.

8068
06:09:30,404 --> 06:09:31,405
the environmental health specialist will

8069
06:09:31,405 --> 06:09:33,805
go out and you

8070
06:09:34,408 --> 06:09:36,808
can actually see a

8071
06:09:37,411 --> 06:09:39,811
perc test in the

8072
06:09:40,380 --> 06:09:42,380
picture.

8073
06:09:55,395 --> 06:09:57,795
if it is determined

8074
06:09:58,398 --> 06:10:01,401
that it is a good spot

8075
06:10:01,401 --> 06:10:03,801
they will run the

8076
06:10:04,404 --> 06:10:06,404
actual percolation test.

8077
06:10:07,407 --> 06:10:09,409
to be able to create

8078
06:10:09,409 --> 06:10:10,410
a lot on a property that does not

8079
06:10:10,410 --> 06:10:12,410
have

8080
06:10:13,413 --> 06:10:16,383
access to public sewer, you need

8081
06:10:16,383 --> 06:10:18,783
your own way of

8082
06:10:19,386 --> 06:10:21,386
getting

8083
06:10:22,389 --> 06:10:24,389
drinking water.

8084
06:10:24,391 --> 06:10:25,392
when we are reviewing the sites and

8085
06:10:25,392 --> 06:10:27,392
the lots

8086
06:10:27,394 --> 06:10:28,395
it is required there be at least three

8087
06:10:28,395 --> 06:10:30,395
well

8088
06:10:31,398 --> 06:10:33,398
sites on the

8089
06:10:34,401 --> 06:10:36,401
property

8090
06:10:37,404 --> 06:10:39,404
they

8091
06:10:39,406 --> 06:10:40,407
will have the one, and sometimes if

8092
06:10:40,407 --> 06:10:42,407
that location does

8093
06:10:43,410 --> 06:10:45,810
not work you have

8094
06:10:46,413 --> 06:10:48,413
two alternates that

8095
06:10:49,383 --> 06:10:51,783
are already fitting in

8096
06:10:52,386 --> 06:10:54,386
the whole

8097
06:10:55,389 --> 06:10:57,389
puzzle piece. That

8098
06:10:58,392 --> 06:11:00,394
is one of the requirements.

8099
06:11:00,394 --> 06:11:01,395
those wells are typically at least 15

8100
06:11:01,395 --> 06:11:03,395
feet apart.

8101
06:11:04,398 --> 06:11:07,401
a will needs to be 100 feet away from

8102
06:11:07,401 --> 06:11:09,403
a septic system. 100 feet from any

8103
06:11:09,403 --> 06:11:10,404
stormwater management feature and

8104
06:11:10,404 --> 06:11:12,404
30

8105
06:11:12,406 --> 06:11:13,407
feet from building foundation, and

8106
06:11:13,407 --> 06:11:15,407
it has to

8107
06:11:16,410 --> 06:11:19,413
be upgrade of the septic system.

8108
06:11:19,413 --> 06:11:21,413
the septic

8109
06:11:25,385 --> 06:11:27,385
system requirements

8110
06:11:28,388 --> 06:11:30,390
you need to use conventional technology.

8111
06:11:30,390 --> 06:11:31,391
the trenches of a sand mound. We have

8112
06:11:31,391 --> 06:11:33,391
the ability

8113
06:11:34,394 --> 06:11:37,397
to use what we call alternative

8114
06:11:37,397 --> 06:11:40,397
or innovative systems. Those are

8115
06:11:40,400 --> 06:11:43,400
usually reserved for a house

8116
06:11:43,403 --> 06:11:46,403
that exists on a property

8117
06:11:46,406 --> 06:11:49,406
and the existing systems failed.

8118
06:11:49,409 --> 06:11:51,809
we would issue a

8119
06:11:52,412 --> 06:11:54,412
repair

8120
06:11:55,382 --> 06:11:57,382
per mit.

8121
06:11:58,385 --> 06:12:01,385
the septic area that I

8122
06:12:01,388 --> 06:12:03,388
was referencing,

8123
06:12:04,391 --> 06:12:06,393
the minimum size of it needs to be

8124
06:12:06,393 --> 06:12:07,394
10,000 square feet. A little under

8125
06:12:07,394 --> 06:12:09,394
a quarter of

8126
06:12:09,396 --> 06:12:10,397
the acre of the property needs to

8127
06:12:10,397 --> 06:12:12,397
be set aside

8128
06:12:13,400 --> 06:12:16,403
and reserved for the disposal of the

8129
06:12:16,403 --> 06:12:18,403
wastewater in

8130
06:12:19,406 --> 06:12:21,406
the septic area.

8131
06:12:22,409 --> 06:12:25,412
that must be large enough for

8132
06:12:25,412 --> 06:12:28,412
the initial system and three

8133
06:12:28,415 --> 06:12:30,415
future replacements.

8134
06:12:31,385 --> 06:12:32,386
a lot of the time people are like

8135
06:12:32,386 --> 06:12:34,386
my

8136
06:12:34,388 --> 06:12:36,788
whole backyard is the

8137
06:12:37,391 --> 06:12:39,391
septic area.

8138
06:12:46,400 --> 06:12:47,401
they don't last forever. Maybe that

8139
06:12:47,401 --> 06:12:49,403
is not for the

8140
06:12:49,403 --> 06:12:50,404
time that you or your family lived

8141
06:12:50,404 --> 06:12:52,404
there but the

8142
06:12:52,406 --> 06:12:54,806
house, the life of

8143
06:12:55,409 --> 06:12:57,409
the house.

8144
06:12:58,412 --> 06:13:00,812
>> may I ask a

8145
06:13:02,382 --> 06:13:03,383
question? When was

8146
06:13:03,383 --> 06:13:05,385
the requirementsrequirements for backup

8147
06:13:05,385 --> 06:13:07,385
systems and the

8148
06:13:07,387 --> 06:13:08,388
future systems implemented? We had

8149
06:13:08,388 --> 06:13:09,389
situations

8150
06:13:09,389 --> 06:13:11,391
where septics failed and they have

8151
06:13:11,391 --> 06:13:12,392
come to ask us

8152
06:13:12,392 --> 06:13:14,394
for access to sewer and water to extend to the public sewer

8153
06:13:14,394 --> 06:13:16,394
and water.

8154
06:13:17,397 --> 06:13:18,398
I know that we do

8155
06:13:18,398 --> 06:13:20,400
have situations in which that was

8156
06:13:20,400 --> 06:13:21,401
not in place at the time of

8157
06:13:21,401 --> 06:13:23,403
the construction of the building of

8158
06:13:23,403 --> 06:13:24,404
the system. When was it in place

8159
06:13:24,404 --> 06:13:26,406
and how do we handle situations where

8160
06:13:26,406 --> 06:13:28,406
we have, you

8161
06:13:28,408 --> 06:13:29,409
know, septic systems past their usable

8162
06:13:29,409 --> 06:13:31,409
life on

8163
06:13:32,412 --> 06:13:34,414
a lot that does not have the

8164
06:13:34,414 --> 06:13:35,382
capacity or hasn't been planned for

8165
06:13:35,382 --> 06:13:37,382
that capacity?

8166
06:13:38,385 --> 06:13:40,385
>> I believe that

8167
06:13:40,387 --> 06:13:41,388
the requirement for the ability to

8168
06:13:41,388 --> 06:13:43,388
create a

8169
06:13:44,391 --> 06:13:47,394
lot and to have backup area

8170
06:13:47,394 --> 06:13:49,794
is in the state

8171
06:13:50,397 --> 06:13:52,397
subdivision regulations around

8172
06:13:53,400 --> 06:13:55,400
1972.

8173
06:13:56,403 --> 06:13:57,404
>> we do have

8174
06:13:57,404 --> 06:13:59,406
lots that are older than that, and

8175
06:13:59,406 --> 06:14:02,409
a lot of the time they do

8176
06:14:02,409 --> 06:14:04,409
not have the

8177
06:14:05,412 --> 06:14:07,412
septic reserve area.

8178
06:14:11,385 --> 06:14:14,385
that is when it can

8179
06:14:14,388 --> 06:14:16,788
be difficult to find

8180
06:14:17,391 --> 06:14:19,391
a

8181
06:14:20,394 --> 06:14:22,394
replacement area.

8182
06:14:23,397 --> 06:14:25,397
worst case

8183
06:14:26,400 --> 06:14:29,403
you would put a property on

8184
06:14:29,403 --> 06:14:31,403
a holding tank.

8185
06:14:32,406 --> 06:14:34,406
seven-day capacity, and

8186
06:14:34,408 --> 06:14:35,409
you think you are pumping this every

8187
06:14:35,409 --> 06:14:37,409
couple of weeks

8188
06:14:38,412 --> 06:14:40,412
and it gets

8189
06:14:41,415 --> 06:14:43,415
really expensive.

8190
06:14:47,387 --> 06:14:49,389
what does it mean that a septic

8191
06:14:49,389 --> 06:14:53,393
field fails? Does that mean it does

8192
06:14:53,393 --> 06:14:55,393
not percolate anymore?

8193
06:14:56,396 --> 06:14:58,796
why can't they remove

8194
06:14:59,399 --> 06:15:01,399
the dirt?

8195
06:15:05,405 --> 06:15:07,407
it is not going to

8196
06:15:07,407 --> 06:15:11,700
be in existence anymore before the

8197
06:15:11,411 --> 06:15:13,411
septic failed.

8198
06:15:20,387 --> 06:15:22,787
my understand ing is

8199
06:15:23,390 --> 06:15:26,393
that it has to be undisturbed soil.

8200
06:15:26,393 --> 06:15:29,393
why can't it be disturbed

8201
06:15:29,396 --> 06:15:31,398
soil as long as you remove

8202
06:15:31,398 --> 06:15:32,399
it, bring clean soil and make sure

8203
06:15:32,399 --> 06:15:35,399
it is not compacted and

8204
06:15:35,402 --> 06:15:38,405
use it. Why can't they do that?

8205
06:15:38,405 --> 06:15:39,406
>> essentially it is because of what or

8206
06:15:39,406 --> 06:15:41,406
how

8207
06:15:41,408 --> 06:15:44,408
soils are created. They are

8208
06:15:44,411 --> 06:15:46,411
created over time.

8209
06:15:47,414 --> 06:15:50,384
they develop what is called

8210
06:15:50,384 --> 06:15:52,384
a structure.

8211
06:15:52,386 --> 06:15:53,387
the different structure of the soil.

8212
06:15:53,387 --> 06:15:55,387
that

8213
06:15:56,390 --> 06:15:59,393
is what we are relying on

8214
06:15:59,393 --> 06:16:01,793
for the wastewater to

8215
06:16:02,396 --> 06:16:05,399
filter through. So fill does not have

8216
06:16:05,399 --> 06:16:08,402
structure. If you would put a

8217
06:16:08,402 --> 06:16:10,802
septic system in fill

8218
06:16:11,405 --> 06:16:13,405
it would probably

8219
06:16:14,408 --> 06:16:16,408
just

8220
06:16:17,411 --> 06:16:19,811
come to the surface.

8221
06:16:20,414 --> 06:16:23,383
what does it mean when a septic

8222
06:16:23,383 --> 06:16:25,383
system fails?

8223
06:16:26,386 --> 06:16:28,386
you have

8224
06:16:29,389 --> 06:16:31,389
bacteria in the

8225
06:16:31,391 --> 06:16:32,392
soil that are breaking down the waste

8226
06:16:32,392 --> 06:16:34,392
and

8227
06:16:35,395 --> 06:16:37,395
they generate waste.

8228
06:16:38,398 --> 06:16:41,398
the space in between the

8229
06:16:41,401 --> 06:16:44,401
soil particles and the structure

8230
06:16:44,404 --> 06:16:46,404
clogs up.

8231
06:16:47,407 --> 06:16:49,407
the water can't

8232
06:16:50,410 --> 06:16:52,410
filter down through

8233
06:16:53,413 --> 06:16:55,813
that the system fails

8234
06:16:56,383 --> 06:16:58,783
when the water backs

8235
06:16:59,386 --> 06:17:02,386
up into your house or

8236
06:17:02,389 --> 06:17:04,789
the surface. This block

8237
06:17:05,392 --> 06:17:08,395
of the septic area is basically

8238
06:17:08,395 --> 06:17:10,395
all clogged

8239
06:17:11,398 --> 06:17:13,398
up.

8240
06:17:14,401 --> 06:17:16,401
>> dan:

8241
06:17:17,404 --> 06:17:18,405
I am --

8242
06:17:18,405 --> 06:17:19,406
>> we

8243
06:17:19,406 --> 06:17:20,407
have not come up with a structured

8244
06:17:20,407 --> 06:17:23,407
field to take care of

8245
06:17:23,410 --> 06:17:26,413
the issue for a lot of

8246
06:17:26,413 --> 06:17:28,413
houses.

8247
06:17:29,383 --> 06:17:32,383
sometimes they have to spend $150,000

8248
06:17:32,386 --> 06:17:33,387
or more to get connected to public.

8249
06:17:33,387 --> 06:17:35,387
I don't know.

8250
06:17:35,389 --> 06:17:38,392
to me it looks like that it may

8251
06:17:38,392 --> 06:17:41,395
be cheaper to get some kind of a structured

8252
06:17:41,395 --> 06:17:44,395
soil and replace it with.

8253
06:17:44,398 --> 06:17:45,399
I can't see why nobody has thought

8254
06:17:45,399 --> 06:17:47,401
about to do it.

8255
06:17:47,401 --> 06:17:48,402
that can be a good business. Maybe

8256
06:17:48,402 --> 06:17:50,402
you can go

8257
06:17:50,404 --> 06:17:51,405
in that business.

8258
06:17:51,405 --> 06:17:52,406
>> I suppose it

8259
06:17:52,406 --> 06:17:53,407
would

8260
06:17:53,407 --> 06:17:56,410
be, but you have to depend

8261
06:17:56,410 --> 06:17:59,413
on mother nature through freeze and

8262
06:17:59,413 --> 06:18:01,413
thaw

8263
06:18:02,382 --> 06:18:04,382
cycles.

8264
06:18:05,385 --> 06:18:07,385
animals and

8265
06:18:07,387 --> 06:18:08,388
insects going through and creating

8266
06:18:08,388 --> 06:18:10,388
a

8267
06:18:10,390 --> 06:18:11,391
soil structure. If someone would come

8268
06:18:11,391 --> 06:18:14,391
up with a way to

8269
06:18:14,394 --> 06:18:17,394
create a structured soil we

8270
06:18:17,397 --> 06:18:18,398
could do that.

8271
06:18:18,398 --> 06:18:19,399
>>

8272
06:18:19,399 --> 06:18:20,400
trenches, I thought that maybe it was

8273
06:18:20,400 --> 06:18:22,400
the old way.

8274
06:18:23,403 --> 06:18:25,403
it was dug

8275
06:18:25,405 --> 06:18:26,406
down. Now you said there are trenches.

8276
06:18:26,406 --> 06:18:28,406
if they are

8277
06:18:29,409 --> 06:18:31,411
standard trenches, are they a

8278
06:18:31,411 --> 06:18:32,412
couple feet wide by so many feet deep.

8279
06:18:32,412 --> 06:18:34,412
if they are

8280
06:18:35,415 --> 06:18:38,385
in trenches now and if it can

8281
06:18:38,385 --> 06:18:40,385
be linear.

8282
06:18:44,391 --> 06:18:47,391
I don't know, what is

8283
06:18:47,394 --> 06:18:50,994
the dimension of a typical septic

8284
06:18:51,398 --> 06:18:53,398
system for

8285
06:18:54,401 --> 06:18:56,401
a three

8286
06:18:57,404 --> 06:18:59,804
bedroom? We can talk

8287
06:19:00,407 --> 06:19:03,407
offline. I was just seeing

8288
06:19:03,410 --> 06:19:06,410
if theythey are not horizontal

8289
06:19:06,413 --> 06:19:09,383
anymore they are in trenches.

8290
06:19:09,383 --> 06:19:11,383
>> they are linear

8291
06:19:12,386 --> 06:19:14,386
trenches.

8292
06:19:15,389 --> 06:19:17,391
linear feet and they have

8293
06:19:17,391 --> 06:19:18,392
to be so many feet apart?

8294
06:19:18,392 --> 06:19:20,392
>> right.

8295
06:19:21,395 --> 06:19:23,395
>> yes.

8296
06:19:24,398 --> 06:19:27,401
I am trying to get an example

8297
06:19:27,401 --> 06:19:30,404
of a typical septic system in

8298
06:19:30,404 --> 06:19:32,404
trenches.

8299
06:19:33,407 --> 06:19:35,407
>>

8300
06:19:35,409 --> 06:19:36,410
the typical linear length. The trenches

8301
06:19:36,410 --> 06:19:38,410
are

8302
06:19:39,413 --> 06:19:41,413
two feet wide.

8303
06:19:45,385 --> 06:19:47,385
I would say

8304
06:19:48,388 --> 06:19:50,388
a couple hundred

8305
06:19:51,391 --> 06:19:53,391
linear feet.

8306
06:20:00,400 --> 06:20:02,400
200

8307
06:20:03,403 --> 06:20:05,403
to 300.

8308
06:20:06,406 --> 06:20:08,406
>> minimum

8309
06:20:09,409 --> 06:20:11,411
10,000 square feet times three.

8310
06:20:11,411 --> 06:20:12,412
30,000 should be set aside for a septic?

8311
06:20:12,412 --> 06:20:14,412
had that

8312
06:20:15,415 --> 06:20:17,415
is the question.

8313
06:20:18,385 --> 06:20:20,385
for an

8314
06:20:21,388 --> 06:20:23,388
initial system.

8315
06:20:24,391 --> 06:20:27,391
that includes the future replacement

8316
06:20:27,394 --> 06:20:28,395
systems?

8317
06:20:28,395 --> 06:20:30,395
>> yes. >>

8318
06:20:30,397 --> 06:20:32,397
okay. Okay.

8319
06:20:33,400 --> 06:20:35,400
>> within

8320
06:20:36,403 --> 06:20:38,403
that, you need

8321
06:20:39,406 --> 06:20:41,406
to fit

8322
06:20:42,409 --> 06:20:44,409
the

8323
06:20:45,412 --> 06:20:48,415
initial ones. And that the three

8324
06:20:48,415 --> 06:20:50,415
backups will fit.

8325
06:20:51,385 --> 06:20:53,387
it is larger than

8326
06:20:53,387 --> 06:20:54,388
10,000. You will need more linear

8327
06:20:54,388 --> 06:20:55,389
feet.

8328
06:20:55,389 --> 06:20:56,390
>> got it.

8329
06:20:56,390 --> 06:20:57,391
>> all of that together may make it

8330
06:20:57,391 --> 06:20:59,391
so

8331
06:21:00,394 --> 06:21:01,395
that 10,000 is too small.

8332
06:21:01,395 --> 06:21:02,396
>> okay.

8333
06:21:02,396 --> 06:21:03,397
thank you.

8334
06:21:03,397 --> 06:21:06,397
>> let's see. I think that

8335
06:21:06,400 --> 06:21:08,400
I have one

8336
06:21:09,403 --> 06:21:11,403
more slide.

8337
06:21:12,406 --> 06:21:14,406
just

8338
06:21:15,409 --> 06:21:18,412
really quickly to cover the record

8339
06:21:18,412 --> 06:21:20,812
plat review process that

8340
06:21:21,415 --> 06:21:23,383
we cover when

8341
06:21:23,383 --> 06:21:24,384
a plat comes in there are requirements

8342
06:21:24,384 --> 06:21:26,386
that we look for.

8343
06:21:26,386 --> 06:21:27,387
the first one being that they have

8344
06:21:27,387 --> 06:21:29,387
a final well

8345
06:21:30,390 --> 06:21:32,390
and

8346
06:21:33,393 --> 06:21:35,393
septic plan. It

8347
06:21:35,395 --> 06:21:36,396
basically starts as a test plan. They

8348
06:21:36,396 --> 06:21:38,396
are going

8349
06:21:39,399 --> 06:21:41,399
to layout the

8350
06:21:41,401 --> 06:21:42,402
property. This is where I am going to

8351
06:21:42,402 --> 06:21:44,402
put my

8352
06:21:45,405 --> 06:21:47,405
wells and

8353
06:21:48,408 --> 06:21:51,411
septic system. Test data comes in

8354
06:21:51,411 --> 06:21:52,412
and review it. It is

8355
06:21:52,412 --> 06:21:54,414
updated. The plan is presented and then

8356
06:21:54,414 --> 06:21:56,414
it is approved.

8357
06:22:00,387 --> 06:22:02,389
on the record plat the boundary of

8358
06:22:02,389 --> 06:22:03,390
the septic area must be shown and

8359
06:22:03,390 --> 06:22:05,390
a

8360
06:22:06,393 --> 06:22:08,393
20-foot septic building

8361
06:22:09,396 --> 06:22:11,398
restriction line. That is to

8362
06:22:11,398 --> 06:22:14,398
protect the septicseptic from construction

8363
06:22:15,402 --> 06:22:17,402
of structures.

8364
06:22:19,406 --> 06:22:23,606
the alternate wells that I discussed earlier.

8365
06:22:27,414 --> 06:22:29,814
the one most people

8366
06:22:30,384 --> 06:22:32,384
ask

8367
06:22:33,387 --> 06:22:36,390
about are how many bedroom house

8368
06:22:36,390 --> 06:22:38,390
can I build.

8369
06:22:45,399 --> 06:22:47,401
well, that is pretty

8370
06:22:47,401 --> 06:22:48,402
much everything if anyone has other

8371
06:22:48,402 --> 06:22:50,802
questions let me know.

8372
06:22:51,405 --> 06:22:53,405
>> this is great.

8373
06:22:54,408 --> 06:22:56,408
thank you.

8374
06:22:57,411 --> 06:23:00,414
every couple of months we get the

8375
06:23:00,414 --> 06:23:03,383
well and the septic approvals.

8376
06:23:03,383 --> 06:23:06,386
we are more informed now. Let us at them.

8377
06:23:06,386 --> 06:23:08,386
thank you so

8378
06:23:08,388 --> 06:23:09,389
much. This has been wonderful. Any

8379
06:23:09,389 --> 06:23:11,789
other questions or comments

8380
06:23:12,392 --> 06:23:13,393
from the board? Seeing none and thank

8381
06:23:13,393 --> 06:23:14,394
you.

8382
06:23:14,394 --> 06:23:15,395
this ends our planning board meeting

8383
06:23:15,395 --> 06:23:16,396
for today.

8384
06:23:16,396 --> 06:23:21,196
thank you. We will see you next thursday.