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Good evening and welcome to the city of

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McGomery City Council and Planning and

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Zoning Commission special meeting for

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August 18th uh 2026. It is exactly 6 PM

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and I'd like to call this meeting to

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order. Uh before we get started, if you

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please check your phones to make sure

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that they are off so that we can conduct

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business and not be interrupted. that

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would be most appreciated. Uh we will

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begin with we have um everyone is here

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but Miss Langley and uh we will begin

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with the invocation given by Mr. Stan

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Donaldson and then the pledge of

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allegiance. Would you please rise?

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» Father, we thank you for this day. We

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thank you Lord that our hearts and minds

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are receptive father to the

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presentation. I thank you father we use

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wisdom and guidance in all of our

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business affairs. and thank you for

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blessing the city of Montgomery and uh

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and the people in it in Jesus's name.

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Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Pledge allegiance to the United States

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flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of

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the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Now the Texas flag.

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>> Honor the Texas flag. I pledge

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allegiance to thee, Texas, one state

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under God, one and indivisible.

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>> All right. I did receive one request

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under the citizens comments. So with

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that, Mr. Rocky Butler, would you please

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come to the podium?

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>> Yes, ma'am.

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>> He is here to speak on the item of a

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thank you.

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>> Okay. Um uh my name Rocky Butler. Um I

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am an office based office FM1097. I live

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in Minnesota by way right there in

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Whiteall area actually. Um but I just

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wanted to kind of say a few things.

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First of all, good evening to you all,

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mayor, city council and planning

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committee as well as the MEEDC who

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whatever members are here. I don't know

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what you're here at this time, but I

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just wanted to take a few minutes to

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personally thank you um for giving me

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the opportunity and placing your trust

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in me to represent the city, the city of

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McGomery. For those of you who don't

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know who I am, again, as Nate mentioned,

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my name, Rocky Butler. I'm with uh

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Butler Real Estate Group and I work

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under the commercial vision division of

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Berkshire Hathaway. And I had the

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privilege to list and sell 213 Prairie.

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You're all familiar with that property

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with the city own. Um, I wanted to come

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before you tonight not only to say thank

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you, but to also share a few of the

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analytics of the listing and give you an

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idea of the exposure generated

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throughout the listing period that that

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I had. The properties promoted more than

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50,000 times. It generated over 1,400

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detailed views. That means those people

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spent some time looking through the

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metrics of the marketing materials that

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we sent them. And then that exposure

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resulted into multiple calls that we

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serviced as well as over 30 private

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showings of that property.

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As many as you may know in commercial

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real estate, getting the property from

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listing all the way to closing requires

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cooperation from a lot of people. And

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throughout that entire process,

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uh, the city administration, the MEDC

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were extremely responsive and

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professional.

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Whenever we needed information,

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documents, signatures, any type of

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property maintenance or decisions,

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everyone involved made it a priority to

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get these things handled quickly and

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efficiently for us. I especially want to

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recognize Brent Walker. Uh Brent was

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pivotal throughout the process and was

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always available when something was

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needed to be addressed.

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And I want to thank you Brent. Thank you

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personally very much for being so

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helpful to us. Uh I also want to thank

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the city and everyone in behind the

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scenes that assisted along the way. A

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successful closing is truly a team

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effort and I sincerely appreciate the

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cooperation, professionalism I received

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from beginning to end. And then finally,

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and most importantly,

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I want to apprec I appreciate the

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confidence you placed in me to represent

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the city of McGomery and its people

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this this town. I never take that

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responsibility lightly.

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It was a true privilege to work on your

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behalf and help bring this property to a

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successful close. It was an honor. Thank

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you. [clears throat]

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Next item on your agenda is

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presentation number five. Presentation

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and discussion by Brett Kee appended

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East Collaborative regarding the

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proposed unified development ordinance

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>> I'll I'll give you a little a little

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intro where we are and what we're doing

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here today. I wanted to

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You can do it. I mean, can you see right

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>> Yeah, I sure can.

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>> Sorry.

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>> All right, no problem. I I wanted to

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touch base with you and tell you what brought us here and why we kind of

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scheduled this. We've been working on

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this for quite a while and I know you

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guys have heard inputs from us and the

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staff and everybody else and and

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Zach, the attorney, everybody's been

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reading this. We've been working with

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him. It's taken quite a bit to get where

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we are. This is your opportunity to

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listen to what's been going on to ask

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the questions because we're getting very

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close to being able to close this out

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and adopt this in in the month of

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September. Um, so this is the

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opportunity to ask questions. If you

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hear something you don't understand,

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this is the best time to do it. Uh, we

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want the feedback. We want to hear from

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you. If you hear something that you you

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want to learn more about, the attorneys,

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Zach or Brett can answer those questions

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or myself, any of us. Tilly, she has

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lots of answers.

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So that's it. Go ahead.

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Well, good evening. I'm Brett Kee, CEO

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of Ky Keys Collaborative. Address is 77

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Sugar Creek Center Boulevard, uh, Sweet

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600 at Sugarland.

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Brent indicated, um, this has been a

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long process for a variety of reasons,

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but we're to the point where we're very, close. Um, so I wanted to give you

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an update on on where we are. Next

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slide, please. Um so this shows you the

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organization of the unified development

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ordinance or UDO. Um we delivered um

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really four different modules because we

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broke the first one into modules one and

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1.5. Um so that's where we have all the zoning districts and all the

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setbacks and heights and other types of

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standards. Um the permitted and

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conditional land uses, site development

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and design. I'm going to talk to you a

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little bit more about that tonight.

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flood plane and floodway development

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didn't change. We simply brought that

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from your current ordinance into the new

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format and then measurements and word

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usage. Module two, you can see what was

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included there. We've been going back

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and forth with staff of recent on the

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tree preservation standards. uh Brent

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and and staff has been very good about

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reading it um from their perspective,

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making sure that it's something they can

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understand and administer and trying to

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keep it simple and straightforward but

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yet achieve the outcomes that we're intending to get. And then module

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three is basically all the all the

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procedures,

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please. Um so these are all the the

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deliverables that we've um sent to the

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city over time. Most recently, last

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week, we just uh worked through the

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thrower plan, which is basically, you

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know, text dot to the county shows kind

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of your your larger streets, but they do

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not get down into the the collector

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roadways and some of the um connections

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within and between some of your

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neighborhoods and how the whole city is

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going to tie together. This is

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critically important. Um, in the past

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when we haven't had this, as you know,

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we have lots of neighborhoods with dead

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ends and circuitous streets and it makes

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it very difficult to move through and

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across the city. And so we want to be

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able to make sure that people are able

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to move freely without having to get

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back out on, you know, 105 to go down to

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two places uh when they can just go

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across access and make sure that there's

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adequate collector roadways which all

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your residential streets feed to and

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that feeds out to your major arterial

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roadways. So that'll be delivered um the

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[clears throat] revised draft will be

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delivered tomorrow and then everything

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else is all the the UDO pieces.

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the comprehensive plan. So, you have a a

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comprehensive plan. We made sure that we

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were making reference to that and we

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were following the policies and the

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initiatives and the objectives that were

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spelled out in that plan. Should you

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always want to be able to look back to

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the comprehensive plan and point your

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finger and say, "This is the adopted

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plan that we relied upon." So from from

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the land use the land use plan um the

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zoning districts match the land use plan

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the the districts there and you can see

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some of the objectives that were

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identified in the plan and the response

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to some of the different um sections of

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the of the UDO that are included. Next

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So for downtown obviously revitalize and

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create infill for streetscapes all those

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things are addressed within the code. um

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in the housing, expanding housing

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options, allowing mixeduse housing and

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support housing amenities. So, we've got

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districts that provide for a variety of housing types, not obviously just

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your single family or large lot, but we

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do have um the plan development district

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and R2 district to some extent. Um and

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then particularly having transition

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standards. So, if you live in a home now

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and you have a field behind you, you

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want to make sure that whatever might

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come in your backyard is going to be

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compatible or going to have a good

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transition. Um, so that could not only

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be lot size, but it would all be um

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whatever that might be.

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connectivity, um walkability, sidewalks,

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biking, improved connectivity, all those

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As I mentioned, compatibility. Um, you

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know, every community and every

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development ordinance wants to achieve

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compatibility between different types

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and scales of development and making

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sure we're protecting uh neighborhoods

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and personal investments. So, the UDO

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has spent a lot of time on design

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standards and buffering, landscaping,

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and other things to make sure that we're

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providing for that. And then the plan

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becomes action through the UDO. So

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basically for every element of the comp

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plan there's a response within the UDL.

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So since we last met with you um there's

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a few changes and these um many of them

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came from staff review

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uh Zach's review, attorney review, etc.

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So um

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see if we get to the right spot.

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function.

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» So, um your

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um the proposed districts are on the

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left hand column.

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Um the the corresponding districts on

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the right. So, your R1 is still R1, your

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R2 is still R2. Um we have a new

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downtown district. As you know, downtown

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has always been zoned the same thing as

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every other commercial district, even

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though it's entirely unique. So, we

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wanted to make sure have standards that

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mimic the rest of downtown and what

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exists there today. And then your your

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commercial, institutional, and

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industrial districts are all the same.

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And your plan development district, if

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you recall, it had expired. And so we

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have new standards in there for ED plan

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development.

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Um so originally when we drafted it um

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we had some kind of different

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development options where people can

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have smaller lots with increased open

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spaces and things of that nature.

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Basically provided for development

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clustering. We simplified that. Um so we

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removed that requirement. We still

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provide for open space. Your

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compensating open space provision is is

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still in there. We're just doing it in a

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different way. Um and then um we've

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added variations for lot size and rear

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setbacks. So for instance, there's a new

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subdivision coming in that's R1 has

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9,000 foot lots and they are beside or

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back up to a 1 acre or larger lot. Um it

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requires that those lots be 70% the size

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of the 1acre lot. So just those that

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basically [snorts] share a property

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line. Everything else can can be you

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know single family. But again, you know,

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you probably heard it before, everybody,

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you know, is concerned about the value

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of properties and the impact on their

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property. So that's part of the reason

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why why we do that. And all the um

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regulations are in tables that spell out

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lot areas and widths and depths and all

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the setbacks. And then we have graphics

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in there that help illustrate and show

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how we apply

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property.

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Next slide. As I mentioned, we have

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transitioned um between your different

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districts. So, whenever there's a

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difference in building scale or height

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or the massing of a of a building or

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just the intensity of the land use,

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we've built in um transition standards.

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And the purpose is really to reduce the

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uh impacts on privacy, on shadowing in

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certain in instances as well as on the

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visual character and value. And so an

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example is um a maximum twostory

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apartment um has to be at least 50 feet

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away from an R1. There's requirements

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for building separation heights and

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buffer yards. The buffer yards are based

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upon the housing type. So basically the

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bigger the difference between the

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intensity of uses, the larger the buffer

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yard, more landscaping that's required.

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um when [clears throat] there's a a

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non-residential use next to like a

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commercial use whatever that might be

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office um retail has to be 100 foot away

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from R1 and 50 foot away from R2. Um and

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then there are also building design

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standards. So if the district provides

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for say a three-story building, it has

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to step down to two stories, you know,

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so it's more in line with with a twotory

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single family home. So the image there

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you see on the right of apartments and

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then you have single family and again

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depending upon the height and the the

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intensity of that use the buffer yard

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will shift and the mixture of of trees

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and shrubs and in some cases required

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fencing is is in there

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tree preservation standards um you know

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you have the benefit of being in an area

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where you have a lot of mature

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vegetation

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that contributes to the aesthetic of the

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community and the character of the

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community. So, we want to make sure

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that, you know, we're not being too

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difficult for development, but at the

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same time, um, if they're able to

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preserve trees to the maximum extent

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practicable, we want to do that. We've

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simplified the standards to ease the

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administration. So, there's not, you

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know, any massive tree surveys or

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anything like that that are required.

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But if there are trees um you know along

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roadways that exist now we want to

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preserve those. We have like a 30 foot

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preservation width. Um so you see the

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difference between the top photo and the

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bottom photo where we can preserve trees

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along our along our streets. And then we

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have landscaping requirements on the

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individual individual sites themselves.

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But if there is open space that's

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provided and they're able to preserve

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the trees, we expect them to do that.

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Um there is a new open space

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requirement. It's actually in the

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subdivision standards. Um basically it

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requires a minimum of 10% of the total

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land area. In a plan development it

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requires 20%. Because you have mixtures

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of housing types and just more

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intensity. And so you usually want like

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a common green or open open space or

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even you know small parks throughout

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that. Um and then it provides for no

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more than 50% of that can be within the

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flood plane. No more than 30% of that

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can be um for storm water requirements,

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but those storm water requirements have

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to be menitized. So it can't be a ditch

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with weeds in the bottom of it. Count

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that towards the open space. If they

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have a retention and they have fountains

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and they have trail around it, things

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like that, then it can be counted

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towards the open space. Otherwise, if

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it's, you know, something that's

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unsightly or not not going to be

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maintained, it will not count. Um, and

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the open space must be equal to the

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amount required for the current current

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phase. Basically, each phase of

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development will have to provide their

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open space. Um, so that they can say,

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well, we'll do that later on, but I can

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put in,

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you know, the first phase and then they

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sell to somebody else and now you're you

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flossed out. We need to make sure that

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each phase of development meets their

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own requirements and you've always had

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compensating open space provision. So we

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have carried that through. So you're

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used to administering that.

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Um the procedures uh we did a

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significant overhaul on that. Um we

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dramatically simplified and streamlined

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them. We consolidated a lot of the

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processes where they were similar

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approvals. um we removed and folded in

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some of the standalone permits. So

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instead of being a separate permit,

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they're actually kind of an approval now

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as part of a another process. Um

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reduced provision for a lot of ongoing

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uh monitoring and technical calculations

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and things like that that just put a lot

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of added burden on on your staff. And we

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also remove procedures that they're

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spelled out spelled out state law. We

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didn't duplicate or replicate that code.

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And we're still continuing to make a few

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minor revisions, but nothing really

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substitles.

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So, um

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we have put some building and site

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design standards in for multif family.

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>> Um and you can see that um basically it

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doesn't provide for square boxes. um

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that stairways have to be internal or

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covered. Um you have to have different

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uh materials and different colors. You

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have to have variations in the in the

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roof forms. Um also, you know, balconies

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and and places where you might have jut

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outs or building stepbacks, things like

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that. So, you're not getting just a

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blank facade. You have different wall

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planes. Um and then there's also

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foundation plantings

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um and and things of that nature. So

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this is an example of um an illustrative

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if you will of those standards. So

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making sure that you know building

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interest entrances are accentuated

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that there's two or more stories that

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they're they're identifying with

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horizontal articulation kind of the

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different stories using materials or

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other other types of architectural

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methods. And we also don't provide for

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large expanses of blank wall. So if

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there's a side elevation or rear

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elevation, they can't have beyond 25

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foot. That's just a blank wall. you

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know, no architectural treatment or

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material change or color change or

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windows or something like that that's

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going to help articulate to make that.

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We also have a 36060 degree requirement.

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So, if it's uh visible from a public

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street or public space or another

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property, they're going to have to kind

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of carry some of the design. has doesn't

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have to meet the front facade standards,

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but it has to carry that around all

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sides of that building so you don't get

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ugly rear elevation back up to your

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subdivision park.

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This is an example of aity space

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requirements for multif family require a

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minimum of 15%.

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In this particular illustration, see the

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yellow dotted lines, the dog bar.

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So that can all be in one centralized

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space or it can be broken out like this

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as long as they're providing for a

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minimum of 15% of the side area. Same

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thing will apply relative to storm

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drainage, other things like that.

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Now, when we first drafted last time we

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were here, we had some fairly

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sophisticated

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building design standards. State of

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Texas a handful of years ago, uh, limits

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local governments from dictating

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building materials. Um, so our approach

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has always been to basically say, well,

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we're going to give them a menu of

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options and you have to have three of

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these things or four of these things and

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you can pick and choose. Um, you know,

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masonry is in there. It's not mandated,

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but that's one of the choices. Um, we

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thought and together with staff that it

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would be easier if we just kind of have

544
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,679
straightforward um, you know, standards

545
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:15,039
so you don't have all these different

546
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:16,880
scenarios and stuff that can be

547
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,320
confusing and more difficult to

548
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,520
administer.

549
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,559
What I would like this evening is to get

550
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,440
commission and council's authorization

551
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,799
to draft standards that are based upon

552
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,120
what you're seeing here. So we would

553
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,039
have standards for single ointment

554
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:34,720
building. So you know just a

555
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,480
freestanding bank or a freestanding

556
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,159
restaurant or something like that just a

557
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,200
single occupant. um where we would make

558
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880
sure that you as you can see by um by

559
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,120
the the illustration there that we have

560
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,679
um you know for every 30,000 square foot

561
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,600
of a single building exceeds that you

562
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,840
have some sort of corner corner element

563
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,720
or tower or something of that nature

564
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,720
your again your entrances are

565
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,360
accentuated you have different building

566
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,000
materials and colors um it's not you

567
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,080
have different facade planes so we have

568
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,960
some some step backs of a minimum of 18

569
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600
in and again that has to be carried

570
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,799
around around the building. So in the

571
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,640
draft that we have right now we have

572
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,279
these illustrations and below the

573
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,840
illustrations are the corresponding

574
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320
standards with the the numbers that are

575
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,960
shown on the shown on the um graphic.

576
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,880
And then there's also requirements for

577
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520
building roof mounted equipment to make

578
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,520
sure that that's also screened. So have

579
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,080
a beautiful building and then have big

580
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,320
AC units or whatever else on top that

581
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,080
are aren't well screened. Um so this

582
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,400
would be the the single occupant

583
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,320
building design. Um the next slide is

584
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,480
comparable but it would be a multi

585
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,039
multiple occupant building design. Much

586
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,760
like you saw with the multif family.

587
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,559
Again we are delineating between first

588
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,600
and second floor. We have modulation of

589
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,360
the of the roof line. So you don't have

590
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,600
just one continuous plane along along

591
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,120
the top. Um you know using windows and

592
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:16,799
different materials and things like that

593
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,520
to really break up. as as you know,

594
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080
you've got some pretty great examples uh

595
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,640
in downtown 105 of some existing

596
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,880
buildings that have done a very nice job

597
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,039
incorporating many of these same things.

598
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,919
So, this is not something that you're

599
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:34,559
not not used to doing, but basically

600
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,480
every individual tenant, we have what we

601
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960
call kind of a building module and each

602
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,600
module kind of has to have its own its

603
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,520
own uniqueness so you don't just have

604
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,200
monotony of these buildings.

605
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,240
And then lastly, a multi- multiple

606
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,360
building center. So, um if you have a

607
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,039
shopping center and you have out

608
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,480
parcels, we don't want to um prevent

609
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,200
them from having individuality. Um but

610
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,559
at the same time, we want to make sure

611
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,799
we have some sort of uniform or some

612
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,480
consistencies between them. So um you

613
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,279
know the the out parcels can have their

614
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,799
own uh uniqueness but at the same time

615
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,360
tying in with some commonality with the

616
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,559
overall overall development complex. So

617
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,400
it looks like it was actually designed

618
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,400
to go together rather than a bunch of

619
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,559
oneoffs and every one of them have you

620
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,159
know whatever their franchise

621
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,559
architecture is and signage and

622
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,400
everything just doesn't feel like it's a

623
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,480
very well planned well planned

624
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,679
environment. Um so again a lot of a lot

625
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,559
of the same things with um having corner

626
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,279
architectural elements um providing for

627
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,320
pedestrian amenities and outdoor spaces

628
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,679
interior pedestrian connectivity between

629
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:51,600
different buildings and storefronts and

630
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,400
things of that nature. So those are

631
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,799
three different designs. Let me pause

632
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,520
there and just see what thoughts

633
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,360
comments you have. Again what I'm

634
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,240
looking for is are you on board with

635
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,200
this? um or are there certain things

636
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,799
that you have more concern about than

637
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,760
others? Um so as we go back and draft it

638
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
that we know you know where you want I

639
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,679
want to make sure that when that first

640
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:17,679
building goes up after this is adopted

641
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,600
that you go that's exactly what we were

642
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,200
looking for. So

643
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,360
>> I I just had the one question about the

644
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,000
lot size. What was the minimum lot size

645
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,919
you went through?

646
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,279
>> It was just about the space of green

647
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,440
space versus the space of building

648
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,080
>> using a square footage. So was there a

649
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,039
minimum lot size?

650
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,799
>> I think we have for like commercial we

651
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,400
have 15,000 square ft.

652
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240
>> Okay. What about residential?

653
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080
>> It's the same as it is today. You're

654
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,679
9,000.

655
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:44,480
>> Yeah.

656
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,919
>> The only the only place that that's

657
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,080
different is in a plan development. In a

658
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
plan development, they have to bring you

659
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880
um their plans. You have to approve

660
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,559
those plans. If they make any changes

661
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,000
those plans, they have to come back to

662
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,600
you and get them approved again. And

663
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,760
they're filed with the county. So

664
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
whenever anybody is going to develop a

665
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,039
piece within that master plan or

666
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,440
adjacent to that, all that's filed with

667
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,240
the county. Um so you have a lot more

668
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240
control there. We're allowing and I'll

669
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,159
show you an example here in a minute. Um

670
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:17,200
you can have duplexes, you know, um

671
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,760
triplexes, town homes, apartment

672
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,159
buildings. You can have a mixture in a development.

673
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,960
And there the lot sizes obviously vary

674
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,640
accordingly.

675
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,559
This is the best presentation I've seen

676
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,799
from KKC. Great job. You nailed it.

677
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,559
>> Good

678
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,200
to say. And I do have a question. So BCS

679
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,679
Capital, we they purchased the property.

680
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:41,760
We've not seen really hardcore plans

681
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640
yet. Adopt this tonight. They would have

682
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,679
to go according to these, right?

683
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,320
>> U when we adopt that

684
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
>> depending on where that is.

685
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,399
>> We haven't approved anything on that.

686
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,320
>> No, we haven't. We've just done we've

687
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,240
just approved like what we're going to

688
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,799
do as far as a 380. We've divi there's

689
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:02,159
been no design. Correct.

690
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:03,600
>> Not on building, right?

691
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,760
>> We're going through design for that or

692
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,120
they're going through design for now.

693
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,880
>> But as far as our ordinance, I think it

694
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,399
is enter.

695
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:15,520
Yeah, that's since they're development.

696
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,120
>> Well, if they're inclined to change some

697
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,080
things, I think

698
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,149
>> Oh, yeah.

699
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:24,080
» Sometimes a development agreement will

700
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,640
specify that which regulations they'll

701
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,799
abide by part of that agreement.

702
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,600
>> Okay, next slide, please.

703
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,360
Um, this is an example of when you have

704
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,120
two different districts, two different

705
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,919
uses, different scales that are next to

706
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:44,080
one another. We don't want them right on

707
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440
top of one another. So again, you have

708
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,799
um 50 foot of distance or 100 foot of

709
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,399
distance depending upon whether it's

710
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,880
single family or multif family. And

711
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,799
there are buffer yard requirements. So

712
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,880
the buffer yards are spelled out.

713
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
There's like A, B, C, and D. And then

714
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,799
there's a matrix. So if it's single

715
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,880
family next to single family, it's an A

716
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,640
buffer yard. There's not much required,

717
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,559
right? Then as you go from there on up

718
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,320
the industrial, then you get up to the D

719
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,279
and it's very very intensive. And then

720
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,000
there's also natural buffer yards where

721
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120
it's just trees and then there's um a

722
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,720
structural buffer yard where you know

723
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,720
they may have a fence or wall along with

724
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,360
trees or they can do a BM if they have

725
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,559
enough enough space. Um, so that shows

726
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,799
you kind of how that

727
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,600
>> was that is that 100 foot total the

728
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,080
distance

729
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,799
>> this one here showing 50 foot. So we've

730
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,080
got a 20 foot buffer with 15t on either

731
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,600
side.

732
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,120
>> But the the code is says

733
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,679
uh it's going to be 100 foot between

734
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,679
commercial and R1

735
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:52,240
>> and 50 foot for R2.

736
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,520
>> Yeah. So that housing looks at R1.

737
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,159
>> It does. You copy.

738
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,000
>> The code. That's a good point. Good

739
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,399
catch. The code does does say honored

740
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:05,600
for single family and 50. This

741
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,399
illustration does show 50.

742
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:09,919
>> Yeah, it says it up there. But

743
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:13,679
>> at the top right there,

744
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:15,360
50.

745
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,799
>> The second story.

746
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,320
>> Yeah.

747
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,799
And you notice that um the building on

748
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,880
the left steps down from two stories to

749
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,039
one story just within a certain distance

750
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:26,640
also.

751
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,559
So that would that's how those um

752
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:36,070
standards would would apply.

753
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,559
Next slide.

754
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,480
Um we have landscaping standards. So for

755
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,279
single family, you would have canopy

756
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,120
tree in the front yard and then another

757
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,760
canopy tree in any yard. So you'd have a

758
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,919
minimum of of two that are that are

759
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:56,080
planted. Um and then for commercial

760
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,360
um there are combination of canopy trees

761
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
per lot and then canopy and ornamental

762
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,840
trees per thousand square foot of

763
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640
landscape area as well as shrubs that

764
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,519
are required. Um, and then you know

765
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:10,799
depending on what they're next to, they

766
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,480
might have buffer yard as well. So, um,

767
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,960
and then there's also

768
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,600
interior parking lots.

769
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,679
>> How do you define canopy tree? Is there

770
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,200
like a

771
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
>> Yeah, trees. That means because if you

772
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,480
go to our Kroger, [snorts] those are

773
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,679
supposed to be canopy trees. They're

774
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,720
sticks. Well, what what we can do is we

775
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,919
could include an appendix that um that

776
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,039
calls out the specific specific tree

777
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,279
types that qualify or can be an

778
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:39,840
ornamental.

779
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,600
>> And how about irrigation of all this

780
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,279
stuff? Is there forced irrigation?

781
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:44,640
They'll plant the trees and as long as

782
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,080
they planted them when they built it,

783
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,480
they die two years later, they nothing

784
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,919
hold them to it.

785
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,320
>> Let me check. I'll have to have to check

786
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Ashley Dis. So usually we do have

787
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,000
provisions for that or there's an

788
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,279
alternative for zeroscape, you know, um

789
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,840
kind of native trees to Texas that are

790
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,000
drought tolerant. So I'll I'll email.

791
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,440
>> So what does that look like if they were

792
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,240
to do that and then they put in sub

793
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,399
canopy trees that are not on the list or

794
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,080
they do and they die? We have the

795
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,159
ability to have uh code enforcement go

796
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,080
out there and let them know that this

797
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,919
tree is dead and they have 30 days to

798
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,080
replace it. Rip and replace. Okay. Is

799
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,559
there is there a certain

800
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,159
size for the trees? How many gallons?

801
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:32,960
>> Yeah, so they're a 2 inch caliper or any

802
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,919
shrub is a minimum five gallon shrub.

803
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:37,760
And if it's an evergreen, it's I believe

804
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120
minimum of six foot.

805
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,519
So they're not width necessarily.

806
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:51,350
>> A five gallon five gallon container.

807
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,640
So, um, you know, the the bigger they

808
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,240
get, the more difficult it is to keep

809
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,480
them alive when you plant them.

810
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000
>> We don't want them too small because it

811
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,679
may take years before they really have

812
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:04,799
any effect. So, this is real common of

813
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,919
what all cities do.

814
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:09,359
>> Does that trees can be placed in

815
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,480
clusters and need not be placed at even

816
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,240
intervals? Does that hurt us or help us

817
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,399
or what's the pros and cons there?

818
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,480
>> Um, let's say parking lot with a little

819
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,440
bunch of trees clustered here because

820
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,639
they didn't want to do anything. So it

821
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,240
would create more of a natural type of

822
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,000
environment rather than having you know

823
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,159
this rigidity. So everywhere you go in

824
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,440
town they're exactly 25 foot apart. Plus

825
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,639
um if there are power lines or other

826
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,879
utilities they can group them so they

827
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,720
don't have to ask for variance because

828
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,159
we can't put a tree there. Um and it

829
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,399
just you know they can they can group

830
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:44,639
them within their open space. So they it

831
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,240
just gives them more flexibility. They

832
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,960
still have to meet the numbers. Um the

833
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040
shrubbery along the parking lot though

834
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,399
we require that as a bumper bumper

835
00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:02,480
screen along all um uh parking areas and parking and vehicular use areas. So

836
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000
it may not be a parking lot, could be a

837
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,240
drive aisle or it could be a truck lane

838
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,560
or whatever that might be. Uh if they're

839
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,119
adjacent to a public rights way or

840
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,480
another property, they're required to

841
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
provide screening.

842
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,560
And then, as I said, there's um islands

843
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,760
within the parking lots that require um

844
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,760
a canopy tree as well. So, you have you

845
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160
don't just have 500 spaces out there

846
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,200
with with no trees or with a few shrubs

847
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
in an island, right? when you stand back

848
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,440
and and look across the site, you'll

849
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,480
see, you know, a variety of trees across

850
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,920
that site because they're required um

851
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,400
every 10 or 12 parking spaces. I believe

852
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,599
you have to have an island.

853
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,440
So, downtown there's none required. Um,

854
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,880
obviously you're very constrained with

855
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,720
your rideway and so forth, but we show

856
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,200
that that depending upon what may happen

857
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
in the future, if somebody uh were able

858
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640
to provide, you know, a tree and some

859
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,800
street furniture and stuff, then that

860
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,280
would be great. But we don't outright

861
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,670
require it. Just

862
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,320
this is just an illustrative, an

863
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,960
example. if somebody has a plan

864
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,240
development. Um you see this well even

865
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,760
in the Houston area and all across the

866
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
country. People are coming in um with a

867
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040
variety of different housing types. Um

868
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,640
so what it does is it allows them to

869
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,440
increase their their lot count and their unit count by having a mixture of

870
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,359
single family and two family and town

871
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:40,880
home and stuff. It helps them meet

872
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,359
different markets so that they can meet

873
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:46,079
different price points. So your firemen

874
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,680
and police officers and school teachers

875
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,000
and everybody else um can can afford

876
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,160
places. They're not all just, you know,

877
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,040
large lots that are super pricey. This

878
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
one actually shows how you can have kind

879
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,440
of some neighborhood commercial at the entrance that's walkable as well

880
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,720
as, you know, a large common open space.

881
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,720
Um so in some cases, maybe that's an

882
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,480
elementary school or maybe it's, you

883
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,880
know, park or whatever that might be. Um

884
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,160
so that just gives you an idea of what

885
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,200
Plan development again nothing gets

886
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160
approved by right right has all the

887
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,520
standards in there but they have to

888
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
bring a plan to you and you review that

889
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440
plan and that plan is adopted as part of

890
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,240
that ordinance

891
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,240
goes with that ordinance they come back

892
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,480
later and they they often do because

893
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,680
they don't know what the market's going

894
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,280
to do they don't know what end users

895
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240
might come to them right um so they may

896
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,440
need to say gee we have you know we've

897
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,800
had this use come to us and

898
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,520
to come back and do a plan amendment to

899
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,839
accommodate [snorts] that use, but it

900
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:50,880
has to come back in front of the

901
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680
council.

902
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,560
So, next steps, um, state law requires

903
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,960
you have, [snorts] uh, at least two

904
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,800
public hearings. So, generally that's

905
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,400
one before the funding and zoning

906
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,200
commission and then one before city

907
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,640
council. Um,

908
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,280
I should mention that the zoning map

909
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,880
is doesn't have to be changed except for

910
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,599
the downtown boundary. Um that's the

911
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,280
only change that you have. Um so we have

912
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,960
proposed a boundary to staff um and they

913
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760
are looking at it to align the

914
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,079
boundaries. I think it's fairly obvious

915
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,640
where the downtown boundaries are. Um so

916
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,280
that would be the only change um from

917
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,280
what we have today. that's just, you

918
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,880
know, zoned on commercial. So, you would

919
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280
have a DT for downtown district for that

920
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,640
area. Otherwise, everything that's zoned

921
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,040
today still be zoned the same.

922
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,560
>> So, you're saying we're lifting the

923
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,520
historic downtown district name and just

924
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,359
making it a downtown district.

925
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,680
>> Yeah, the zoning ordinance is is DT

926
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,200
designation. is it's a downtown that has

927
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,680
boundaries and as I said there are

928
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,839
standards where we bring buildings to

929
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:09,200
the street so they have a maximum

930
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,680
setback not a minimum setback so we want

931
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,760
them to keep that that pedestrian

932
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,280
streetscape

933
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,359
um and then there's provisions in there

934
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:20,560
that if they do you know a twotory or a

935
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,960
false twotory facade

936
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
um and you know creating small open

937
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160
spaces and stuff whether that's for

938
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,000
outdoor seating or outdoor restaurants

939
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,480
or whatever. Keep in mind that this

940
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,160
everybody looks at downtown today and

941
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,000
says, "Well, it's pretty much there,

942
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,760
right?" But who knows what's going to

943
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,320
happen the next 10 or 20 years. Um, you

944
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
know, things could start redeveloping or

945
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,920
whatever that might be. So, we want to

946
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,520
make sure that we have have those

947
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,119
standards in place. So, somebody can't

948
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,079
come in and put, you know, a gas station

949
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,119
downtown and have pumps and big canopy

950
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,839
out front. That just disrupts that whole

951
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:00,880
story character.

952
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,880
Um

953
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,880
we have well first of all oftent times

954
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,680
when we do this it's dramatically

955
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,640
different than what you've had before.

956
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,640
So oftent times what we will do is we

957
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,560
will provide assistance to you for a

958
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
certain period of time. Um, oftentimes

959
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,320
what we do is we have you adopt an

960
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,320
ordinance whereby an applicant posts an

961
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,000
escrow fee and that fee pays our fee. So

962
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,160
it doesn't come out of the general fund.

963
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Um, so they may post, you know, $2,000

964
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,720
and it cost us $1,000 to work with staff

965
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,720
and whatever we need to do if we need

966
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,040
to, you know, meet with you or what have

967
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,200
you. And we spend $1,000 and they get

968
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,760
$1,000 back. if it gets very involved,

969
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,200
there's lots of meetings and lots of

970
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,040
reviews and and revisions and things

971
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,520
like that, they spend $2,500, then they

972
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,200
post another $500. Um, so we have done

973
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,119
that in multiple places around Texas.

974
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,240
We're doing it in sim Texas right now.

975
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,920
Um, so we could help in um working with

976
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480
staff to make sure that they are

977
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,119
identifying all of the applicable

978
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,319
provisions. Um, when somebody comes in

979
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,119
with a plan or resoning or a site plan

980
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,040
so that they're they're making sure that

981
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,920
they're addressing everything.

982
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,240
if they want to help how to interpret it

983
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,720
or how to apply it to a particular lot

984
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,119
or even, you know, talk with an a

985
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:32,960
development applicant or an architect,

986
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,880
whatever that looks like, we can be

987
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,040
available. Generally, it's just, you

988
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,680
know, on a on an hourby-h hour basis.

989
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,599
Um, and we can help give you a new staff

990
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,640
report template. Um obviously the

991
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,000
standards are a whole lot different. So

992
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,040
there's a lot more um materials to cover

993
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,880
in a staff report that you get when

994
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,240
somebody submits an application. It's

995
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,240
basically from staff saying here's

996
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,599
everything you need to know about this

997
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,839
application. Um it can either be

998
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,760
structured as saying if you want to

999
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,839
approve it, here's the conditions and

1000
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,440
stipulation. If you want to deny it,

1001
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000
here's the uh stipulations and

1002
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,040
conditions. um

1003
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,200
we would we could do a memorandum of

1004
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,599
staff review processes just to make sure

1005
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,119
that everything is flowing smoothly,

1006
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,599
that the communication lines are good,

1007
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:21,599
um that we're not dropping the ball and

1008
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,200
things are taking longer than they need

1009
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,119
to. We want to make sure that when an

1010
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,440
applicant submits um that, you know,

1011
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,800
they're moved through the process and

1012
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,319
they know what the next step is and when

1013
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:32,240
that's happening so they don't get

1014
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,440
frustrated. So, um, it helps everybody

1015
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,200
if everything's laid out clearly and you

1016
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,640
have a schedule of when to submit an

1017
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,800
application, when public hearing notice

1018
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,079
goes out, when the meetings are

1019
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:43,440
scheduled, when you have to have your

1020
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,079
comments back, things of that nature.

1021
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,000
Um, so that is one things that I wanted

1022
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,839
to point out if that's something you may

1023
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:52,400
be interested in. And then the last

1024
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,720
item,

1025
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,119
um, last slide,

1026
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,200
we have a a new tool that's called a

1027
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,880
knowledge advisor. So as you recall your

1028
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,960
code of ordinances is in the encode plus

1029
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,160
platform and the UDO is in that same uh

1030
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,839
cloud hosted web-based platform. So

1031
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:18,160
somebody will be able to go to we'll

1032
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,760
eventually put them together. So they'll

1033
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,839
be on the same site but whenever you go

1034
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,160
into the code all of the table contents

1035
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,079
are hyperl right. So you can easily jump

1036
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,400
there. If you come across a definition

1037
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,839
you hover over that definition with your

1038
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:32,400
mouse it pops up the definition. If it

1039
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,599
makes a cross reference to the

1040
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,119
landscaping standards or the parking

1041
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:36,960
assigning standards as a hyperlinks will

1042
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,960
take you right to those standards, we

1043
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,480
can link back and forth between the code

1044
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,040
of ordinances and so forth. So since we

1045
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,400
have those in this platform and since

1046
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,800
they will be kept up to date, so

1047
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880
whenever an ordinance is adopted and

1048
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,359
sent to us, we codify and publish it

1049
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,640
within 10 days. Okay? it it doesn't sit

1050
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,400
for months because if somebody's

1051
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,839
submitting for development and they're

1052
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:02,319
investing hundreds or millions of

1053
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,160
dollars in the community, they need to

1054
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,760
know what the requirements are, not have

1055
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,599
to dig through other ordinances. So,

1056
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,440
they all need to be posted. Since

1057
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,760
they're in the system, we have this tool

1058
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
that somebody can ask a common language

1059
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,119
question. So, they can say,

1060
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,720
"What are the cities, you know, what are

1061
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,359
the subdivision requirements?" Or, "I'm

1062
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:23,040
submitting a resoning application.

1063
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,640
What's the process for that?" or

1064
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,599
um they can even include GIS. So

1065
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,440
somebody can actually add about about an

1066
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760
address. So they can say, "Can I build a

1067
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
restaurant at 110 Cherry Street?" And

1068
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,400
it'll tell them yes or no. Here's all

1069
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,119
the setbacks. Here's all the uses. You

1070
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,880
can click and go to a GIS map. Um, so

1071
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,640
this came up because in a conversation

1072
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,680
with staff last week and I was in their

1073
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,520
shoes when I was a young planner, we did

1074
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,560
a whole new unified development

1075
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,000
ordinance, entirely different than our

1076
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,880
old ordinance and it was a lot of work

1077
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,800
those first few applications because you

1078
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,560
know we couldn't remember where

1079
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,839
everything was at. We couldn't remember

1080
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:04,079
how everything went together and the

1081
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,440
question was if somebody splits an

1082
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,119
application, how do we know all the

1083
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,880
different bits and pieces that go with

1084
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,800
that? This tool would answer that

1085
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,280
question. So an applicant, council

1086
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,000
member, commissioner, staff member, of the public can answer, ask any

1087
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,720
question of your code of ordinances or

1088
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,440
your UDO and it will give them a

1089
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,079
response and uh it is um trained only on

1090
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,480
your ordinances. So it does not permit

1091
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,800
any scanning across the internet to

1092
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,200
bring in something that doesn't apply

1093
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640
and it's all entirely factual. doesn't

1094
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,720
give any suggest suggestions, any

1095
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,319
recommendations, nothing. It just says

1096
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,480
here's what the code says about your

1097
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,319
question. Um, so that would be an add-on

1098
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:52,079
to to the online code. We just we just

1099
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,760
came out with this like three weeks ago.

1100
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,359
>> So this would be on our website did

1101
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,760
hyperlink to yours. And then that

1102
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,240
information you host the software on the

1103
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:00,960
back end.

1104
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,119
>> It's it's all Yeah, it's hosted by

1105
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,839
Microsoft Azure. So you got 99.99%

1106
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:07,359
guaranteed up time and it's all backed

1107
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:08,480
up and secure and everything,

1108
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,200
>> right?

1109
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
>> We're on the cloud too. So when they

1110
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,760
send us ordinances, we can immediately

1111
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,520
publish those ordinance right to right

1112
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,480
to your site

1113
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,960
and we would update

1114
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,640
uh your probably not your code of order.

1115
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Well, could be your code of ordinance

1116
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
and your UDO. You know, they're make

1117
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680
you're making changes along the way. So

1118
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,160
we provide at least two updates annually

1119
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,720
and can do more as needed to make sure

1120
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,079
that when somebody asks the questions

1121
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:35,440
they're getting the latest and greatest

1122
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,480
answers.

1123
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,720
>> What's the SLA to get the answers? So

1124
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,040
like well say for instance we change the

1125
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,640
code ordinances. What's the SLA to get

1126
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640
those up and published?

1127
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,720
>> Uh we we do the ordinances within 10

1128
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,200
days. Um,

1129
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,520
we

1130
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,720
would probably probably take another 10 days or so to make sure that

1131
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,839
it's online. We're obviously we're using

1132
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:03,119
new technology. Um, the way it all the

1133
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,960
way did have to be, you'd have to update

1134
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,560
the entire code of ordinances if you

1135
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,800
made one change, but what we're getting

1136
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,319
ready to deploy is you only have to

1137
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,560
update that one section and I'll update

1138
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,960
the whole thing. So, again, I will get

1139
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,800
back with Brett on that.

1140
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,040
You said it's a add-on to So it's an

1141
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,720
add-on to the current service that we

1142
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,280
that we're gonna that you subscribe to.

1143
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,880
Is it an added cost? Add

1144
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,960
>> an added cost. So cost.

1145
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,400
>> Yeah. So it's it's there's not a onetime

1146
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,079
fee. So we build it for you at no

1147
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,319
additional cost, but we roll that into

1148
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:38,000
the annual cost because uh it's it's

1149
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,400
going out and utilizing different models

1150
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,839
and every time somebody asks it a

1151
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,319
question, there's a usage charge. So

1152
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,119
obviously those mount up. So, it's um

1153
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,480
$3,500 annually. So, we've done some

1154
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,880
math and basically

1155
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,160
um if you get a couple inquiries a day,

1156
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,920
it'll pay for itself in four to six

1157
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,319
months.

1158
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,640
>> And you're talking about AI tokens for

1159
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,599
AI tokens.

1160
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,880
>> Yeah. So,

1161
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,200
>> no

1162
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:07,599
access.

1163
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,319
>> So, we have access to a whole range of

1164
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:11,920
different models. So depending upon the

1165
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,240
question that it's asking it will

1166
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,839
basically utilize.

1167
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:18,240
>> So is it large language or is it

1168
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:18,720
>> Yes.

1169
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:19,040
>> Okay.

1170
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,520
>> Yeah.

1171
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,960
>> So it's not agentic.

1172
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,280
>> So I can write you an agent profile if

1173
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,760
you want.

1174
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,160
It's up to you. Well, yeah. The only uh

1175
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000
the the only thing is that this is

1176
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,119
drawing directly from your official code

1177
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,839
of ordinances and code of order and you

1178
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,920
know that's in the platform by having it

1179
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,880
in the platform. Uh it's all we go

1180
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040
through the process. It's all indexed.

1181
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,359
Um they're governed documents. So you

1182
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:51,359
know there's a lot of lot of parameters

1183
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:54,000
on that. You could try to use, you know,

1184
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,880
a PDF and and use chat QBT, but you may

1185
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,480
or may not get the right answer.

1186
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,920
>> So, you say 3500

1187
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,960
>> and then it's add

1188
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,880
usage. There's

1189
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,480
>> no that's that's covered. That's why we

1190
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,400
do an annual fee. So, we're not

1191
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,200
concerned about the the usage.

1192
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,640
>> It can be used 100 times a day.

1193
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,160
>> I was going to say so it can be used

1194
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,559
either two times a day or 500 times a

1195
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:19,040
day.

1196
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,319
>> Yeah. I I mean oftent times, you know,

1197
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,640
whoever's calling or asking questions of

1198
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,800
staff multiple times a day, whe it's an

1199
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,559
applicant, whoever it might be, and

1200
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,720
they're have to chase that downs, find

1201
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,319
information, email to them, call them

1202
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:34,079
back, all that type stuff. So, what

1203
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,240
we're trying to do is to limit that to

1204
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,400
the extent practical. They can answer

1205
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,160
their own questions on their phone or on

1206
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,920
their laptop. And then once they have

1207
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,839
that, when they come to staff, they're more intelligent about what

1208
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:50,640
they're asking. Um, so in a short amount

1209
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,800
of time, either get their answer right

1210
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,240
up front or they'll call staff and say,

1211
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,119
"Hey, I got this and just want to

1212
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,520
verify." There's also a disclaimer.

1213
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,359
Every time you ask a question, you get a

1214
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:03,920
response. There's a disclaimer. It says

1215
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,720
staff is the official answer, right? So,

1216
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,000
we don't want you relying on this tool

1217
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,640
as the end all beall. You always have to

1218
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,710
verify staff.

1219
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,920
Yes. Yeah. And you know when ordinances

1220
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,640
get twisted to various interpretations

1221
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,040
depending upon the the user. So

1222
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,800
>> who owns the data you or us?

1223
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,480
>> You make sure

1224
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,720
>> we don't take any other software

1225
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,559
companies every all the data you put in

1226
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,000
that becomes their data no matter what

1227
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
to get it back out to extract it as a

1228
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,720
cost.

1229
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,599
>> It's all yours. Um there's yeah there's

1230
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,480
no additional cost. Um, it can be

1231
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,839
exported to a word file any hour of the

1232
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,240
day, any day of the week.

1233
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,760
>> So, which platform did you say you were

1234
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,510
using?

1235
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,200
» Oh gosh, I would have to ask my my AI

1236
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,800
engineer. Um, like I said, we utilize a

1237
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,400
service that has access to um a variety

1238
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,760
of different um AI models. Um, I'll I'll

1239
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,359
email Brent the morning. You can pass it

1240
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:23,670
on to

1241
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,800
» How much time do you think this would

1242
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,270
save you, Tilly?

1243
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,440
» The time did it save me.

1244
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,960
>> How many inquiries do you get in a day's

1245
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,240
time?

1246
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:39,520
>> A lot of inquiries. The The inquiries

1247
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,160
come from engineers and architects. They

1248
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,160
would still rather get it from a live

1249
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,359
person. Um, I'm still directing them and

1250
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:50,000
having to read the ordinance with them

1251
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,720
to verify that they understand exactly

1252
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,240
what the ordinance says. So,

1253
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,040
even if they know the location of the

1254
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,280
ordinance, even though I refer them to

1255
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,960
that location, I email them the

1256
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,640
information, they still want a phone

1257
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,839
call. So,

1258
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:11,280
um, need for handholding

1259
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,960
>> and and we say there always has to be

1260
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,880
human intervention, right? This is never

1261
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,400
the answer. So

1262
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,000
>> at the end of the day, always has to go

1263
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,160
to

1264
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,510
>> Yes.

1265
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,800
» So that concludes my presentation.

1266
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,200
>> Thank you.

1267
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,880
>> Great. Good stuff. Thank you.

1268
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,559
>> One more question. It said six months on

1269
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,119
there and that's included free inclusion

1270
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,880
to the support staff for six months.

1271
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,800
>> No, that's additional, right? You say

1272
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,400
it's an island.

1273
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,640
>> Yeah. Different cities have done it for

1274
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,920
different periods of time. It's whatever

1275
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,040
you want it to be. So basically it's to get Zach and Tilly and anybody

1276
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,720
else in the city up to speed so they

1277
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,640
feel comfortable and when applications

1278
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,119
come in they they know exactly where to

1279
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,599
go in the code. This this would go a

1280
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,680
long way towards helping with that.

1281
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,960
>> What is your cost of that? Um that tool

1282
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,960
is the 3500 annual assist

1283
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,920
>> that is uh we just have an hourly rate

1284
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,280
charge and there is a a fee that the

1285
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,760
applicant posts with their application.

1286
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,240
So I believe in Simon right now they

1287
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,359
post $1,500 and like I said if we spend

1288
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:22,640
a,000 they get 500. Okay.

1289
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,880
>> So lot sometimes it'll be different

1290
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,240
depending upon if they're spinning a

1291
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,760
plan development is a lot more involved.

1292
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,760
So maybe five grand

1293
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,920
>> but if our people need not an applicant

1294
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,920
if they need assistance with it is that

1295
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,440
a charge for that or is that going to be

1296
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,400
the

1297
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,079
>> because our contract for this project

1298
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:39,599
will be done at the money comes from

1299
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,880
that. So it's it's basically an on call agreement

1300
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,960
>> and we can you know say we'll have a

1301
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,760
weekly meeting with Tilly and Zach or

1302
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,000
bi-weekly or if you want us to talk to

1303
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,440
somebody we can but basically they can

1304
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,720
look at it and say did I catch

1305
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,920
everything and we can look at it say so

1306
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,079
I remember what three years ago we

1307
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,400
started this

1308
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,359
>> three or four

1309
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:06,720
>> 2011 hasn't been Stan you remember

1310
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:07,440
>> oh it was

1311
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,960
>> the the timeline dates.

1312
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,280
Granted, I'm not holding you to it 100%

1313
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200
cuz some of it was our fault, but not

1314
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,920
all.

1315
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,960
>> Well, it was May the deliverable date I

1316
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,640
think was May of this year.

1317
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,470
>> May of this year%

1318
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,200
» we went for a period of what six, seven

1319
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,319
months without without point of contact.

1320
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:33,760
So that alled this and then recently

1321
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,160
um staff to their credit has has really

1322
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,079
dug into it and they've been giving us a

1323
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,920
lot of their feedback and so we've been

1324
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,079
revisiting

1325
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:49,520
you know we all want to get it right fast.

1326
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,160
Can you revisit your explanation to the

1327
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,720
mayor about the u historic downtown and

1328
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,960
then you said no we're calling it

1329
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,240
downtown. So

1330
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,240
when people look stuff up is it going to

1331
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,640
say historic downtown?

1332
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,640
>> It certainly can. Right now it's just called downtown but that's a

1333
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,599
simple change.

1334
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,280
>> I'm just asking because I wanted to

1335
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,359
clarify because I knew you said no we

1336
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,040
call it downtown. So, I was like, is

1337
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,400
that something we want to hang on to?

1338
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,240
I'm just asking the question, historic

1339
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,599
downtown.

1340
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,520
>> I can explain part of that. You know,

1341
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,839
the historic overlay that is down there

1342
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,960
now has no teeth in it. It's really a

1343
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,040
suggestion. I mean, it was a good idea

1344
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
and it's a much broader. It covers some

1345
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,280
of the houses and that, but it really

1346
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,440
doesn't cover it. It doesn't make them

1347
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,680
do anything. I know you've read it

1348
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,280
because you know I mean it gives them

1349
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,640
some design suggestions and things.

1350
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,640
>> What this the difference was what we're

1351
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,720
trying to do or what we tried to deliver

1352
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,040
was a downtown district that you could

1353
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,760
control setbacks, heights, you know,

1354
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,599
looks and all that. You're actually

1355
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,160
controlling something. Um you can always

1356
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,839
have the suggestions of how you want it

1357
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,799
to look like a 1887 whatever, you know,

1358
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:06,799
building like it says now. You know,

1359
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:09,280
there's some weird suggestions in there,

1360
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,799
but

1361
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,319
that's exactly what it is. It's a

1362
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,240
suggestion. There's nothing that we can

1363
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,799
say you have to do this. This gets it a

1364
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:19,119
little closer. It still didn't say, you

1365
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:24,400
know, you're completely limited, but it does, you know, they're not going to

1366
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,280
plow half of it down and then put big

1367
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,400
setbacks and put porches out front or,

1368
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,839
you know, because we're going to keep

1369
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:36,160
them street level facing, you know,

1370
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,079
tight areas like it is now. That's kind

1371
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:40,880
of the point of it.

1372
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,400
>> I imagine the historic preservation

1373
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,880
ordinance came along because downtown

1374
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,640
didn't have its own district. So didn't

1375
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,040
have didn't have standards. And so I'm

1376
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,119
guessing maybe that was put in as a as a

1377
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,280
step toward what we've got now.

1378
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,359
>> Yeah. I I the reason I'm saying it is

1379
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,440
because when you live here for quite

1380
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,160
some time,

1381
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,119
you uh you would tie everything into it

1382
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,079
like come to historic downtown for you

1383
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,680
know the cookie walk or for the

1384
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
historical home walk or you know that

1385
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,520
was our ploy to gather people into

1386
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,400
downtown. Um I'm just I just want to

1387
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,119
clarify

1388
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,520
>> change the the terminology. You can keep

1389
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,000
that.

1390
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:20,480
>> Yeah.

1391
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,480
>> The district is only for controlling the

1392
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,920
architecture.

1393
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,200
>> Okay. I'm just that's all just I'm just

1394
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,119
want to know why because people will go

1395
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,880
well is it downtown or is it historical

1396
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,880
downtown? Guarantee it. They'll ask

1397
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,319
they'll go what happened to historical

1398
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:36,799
downtown? Nothing. We just took the word

1399
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,960
historical off. So

1400
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
>> it's a question they'll ask.

1401
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,799
>> So I have a question about the PD. Thank

1402
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:46,319
God it's now um expired. But anything

1403
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,839
that happens on Pleasant, we don't get

1404
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,440
those ugly institutional buildings ever

1405
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,200
again. We can institute this. Correct.

1406
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,599
Just

1407
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,119
>> in the expired PD.

1408
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:03,680
>> Well, yes, because it has again there's no teeth in that either anymore.

1409
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,160
you know, there's most of it's filled

1410
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,640
out, but as we go into the new

1411
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,079
development that's still going to be in

1412
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,480
some of those areas of that PD, this

1413
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:18,710
will take over from that.

1414
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,640
» Awesome. I just wanted to clarify

1415
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,760
something about that planned

1416
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,640
development. So, the planned development

1417
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,880
district is a zoning district that did

1418
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,920
not expire. The development agreement

1419
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920
expired. It's the agreement that

1420
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,040
expired, not the people.

1421
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,000
>> It's still there for And it's

1422
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,760
>> indefinite.

1423
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,319
Yeah.

1424
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:38,400
>> Until you reszone it

1425
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,599
>> then. But otherwise, plan development is

1426
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:44,000
still there. It's the development or

1427
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,599
that's expected.

1428
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,599
>> There's no

1429
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:49,359
>> piece to it. Again,

1430
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:50,960
>> the plan development.

1431
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,920
>> No, it was a deal. It wasn't it wasn't

1432
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,520
finalized

1433
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,160
when the development agreement expired.

1434
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:08,309
Right.

1435
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:17,349
What we have to do to get the ball roll

1436
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:18,000
by September?

1437
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,720
>> We have to have a public public hearing.

1438
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,520
>> Just allow staff to finalize what we

1439
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,920
have and bring it to us in September.

1440
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,680
>> Yeah, we have a few more things to touch

1441
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,720
up on. Um, and that's one of the

1442
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,559
questions for you guys. I mean, I can

1443
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,799
send everybody the 400page thing or

1444
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:37,040
whatever it is, but I I didn't feel like

1445
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,640
that was a value. I don't think

1446
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,400
anybody's really, but it we can send out

1447
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,240
whatever you want us to send out. You

1448
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,079
can take the time to read, you know,

1449
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,400
parts of it that you want. Um, that's

1450
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,640
why I wanted to to hear the feedback

1451
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,200
tonight. you know, as long as the the

1452
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,040
direction is right, I think we, you

1453
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,839
know, you'll adopt this and we'll move

1454
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,079
forward. And it's really a just like you

1455
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,720
said, you know, a couple meetings and

1456
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,319
full adoption.

1457
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:06,960
>> So, state law says public hearings

1458
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,119
plural. So, you need to have at least

1459
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,839
two, but you can also, if you're

1460
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,240
interested in timing, you can also join

1461
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,839
me where the commission will take action

1462
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,599
and then the council would take action.

1463
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,119
So you can kill two birds without

1464
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,200
stopping.

1465
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,720
>> So

1466
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,319
>> just still have to have two

1467
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:29,920
>> be the same presentation you just did

1468
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:35,109
basically pretty much

1469
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:38,079
» and when it's adopted it's moving

1470
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:39,680
forward.

1471
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,079
So, anybody that rushes in here and

1472
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,160
they're in the middle of developing an

1473
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,520
yes and no, are they referring to this

1474
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,200
or are they referring to old stuff?

1475
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,520
>> Want to be clear that there are vested

1476
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,799
rights?

1477
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:55,280
>> Yes.

1478
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,319
>> Instead,

1479
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,160
>> right? So, if somebody has made

1480
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,680
application,

1481
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,760
they basically vest themselves.

1482
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,319
>> Okay.

1483
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:04,079
>> So, basically, you can't pull the rug

1484
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:05,680
out from under change the rules of the

1485
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,000
game after they already.

1486
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,079
Um the question was asked if somebody

1487
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,960
plants a large property but then each

1488
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,040
owner land owner comes in and wants to

1489
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,280
do a site plan over the next several

1490
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,200
years then they will have to go through

1491
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,480
the site plan process but that plat we

1492
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,280
can't you know halt them and make them

1493
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,760
start over again. who did create the

1494
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,799
ordinance about two years ago where

1495
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,520
there is a time

1496
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,680
>> yes

1497
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,760
>> and then goes to where

1498
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,119
>> well that's what I'm trying to figure

1499
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:42,400
because when when we [clears throat] sit

1500
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,720
down for our meeting and they bring all the paperwork to us now we have to

1501
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,359
sit there and we have two new members

1502
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:51,280
that are going to go did you already

1503
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,559
talk about this and we're going to have

1504
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,799
to dig back and see and I guess we just

1505
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,240
have to be more proactive with our

1506
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,000
agenda and say hey this facility should

1507
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,030
be able to take whether or not

1508
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,280
y

1509
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,400
>> I think it's assumed too but if we do

1510
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,520
when we do make this rules can you share

1511
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,799
with these new developments that are

1512
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:14,559
happening a suggestion

1513
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,720
>> you know at least throw it out there

1514
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,400
>> think they can not only BCS but the

1515
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:18,799
other side of

1516
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,640
>> HB

1517
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,920
this is what we're going for try to

1518
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,520
influence at least you know don't just

1519
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,880
go okay well they're just doing what

1520
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:25,200
they're doing

1521
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,559
>> they haven't done anything so they would

1522
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,119
be a part of That's what

1523
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:29,599
they

1524
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:30,799
>> on the other side of HV.

1525
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:31,119
>> Yes.

1526
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,640
>> In that big old dirt pit. Yeah. They

1527
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,440
were already moved dirt. So

1528
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,960
>> made application.

1529
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:37,920
>> They don't have they don't have a

1530
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,119
development agreement with them.

1531
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,160
>> It has nothing to do with the

1532
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,040
development agreement.

1533
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,720
>> Right. But they they haven't come to us

1534
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,319
with any plans. They they would still be

1535
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:48,160
under this new plan. Right.

1536
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,559
>> They already submitted a development

1537
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,079
application and escro agreement. So

1538
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,040
we're already reviewing at least portion

1539
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,319
of the civil.

1540
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:01,599
>> But was there money?

1541
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:03,680
>> The infrastructure is planned out in it.

1542
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,319
I guess we'd have to talk to people.

1543
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,319
>> Yeah. See see where it is because once

1544
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:09,200
it comes to us.

1545
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,720
>> Well, you could submit pictures without

1546
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,160
having a plan. You could say this is

1547
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,559
high pie in the sky. So that I mean

1548
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,480
>> I'd like clarification.

1549
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,119
>> Can we get that?

1550
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:18,799
>> Texas is going to protect that property

1551
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:20,400
owner. can't come in and change school

1552
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,359
rules in the middle of it.

1553
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:24,400
>> I know I'm I'm not I am asking if they

1554
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,079
had already I remember seeing the

1555
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:27,680
pictures. I didn't know where we were in

1556
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,839
that process. So I wanted to know if

1557
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:31,599
they would be adhering to this or if

1558
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,520
they were grandfathered into the prior.

1559
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,880
That's all I was asking.

1560
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,559
>> Yeah. And it would be real simple,

1561
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:37,920
right? You'd call it up and you'd tell

1562
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,839
us and you'd say, "Hey, this is a list

1563
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:43,760
of the developments and moving forward

1564
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,079
they don't get touched and these moving

1565
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:46,880
forward can be."

1566
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,240
>> It would be great to have a list of the

1567
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,359
grandfather.

1568
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:49,839
>> Yes.

1569
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:52,240
>> Just make everybody's job easier without

1570
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:52,640
guessing.

1571
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,520
>> The development agreement not yet done.

1572
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,119
>> You could negotiate.

1573
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:57,520
>> Sure.

1574
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,319
>> This is part of that.

1575
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:00,160
>> Same way with annexation agreements and

1576
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,799
things like that. Cities have said part

1577
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:04,240
of that agreement is that they will

1578
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,760
abide by.

1579
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,760
>> Yeah. And anybody coming in here that

1580
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,319
wants to make money would would probably

1581
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,960
be very understanding. We hope to

1582
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,520
negotiate to look aesthetically

1583
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,160
>> the way that this is versus what we had.

1584
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,599
>> The financial impact is totally

1585
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,119
different. So I'm sure that they would

1586
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,520
love to be grandfathered.

1587
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,200
>> Maybe they'll be more agreeable. It's

1588
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,160
more pleasant to be submitted. Like I

1589
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,720
mean we can hope for the best.

1590
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,160
>> Stats out everybody. Let's just suggest

1591
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,240
it to the people that are, you know, in

1592
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:35,920
limbo right now at least just to share

1593
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,599
it just to hopefully they want to fit in

1594
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,440
because you know what they might go well

1595
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,880
I want to do other projects so maybe

1596
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,520
they will go along with the program. So

1597
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,039
hopefully

1598
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,280
we have a few temporary ordinances that

1599
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,079
we can correct to you know and we can

1600
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,559
clean up the tree stuff and you know

1601
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,400
because we've been having to kind of

1602
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,960
we've been in limbo on some of this. So

1603
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,039
there will be some things we can suggest

1604
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,599
and and work with and a lot of these

1605
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,440
developers are more than happy to you

1606
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,920
know I mean unless we you know cost them

1607
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,760
a whole lot of money but

1608
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,760
>> and that was my that was a question I

1609
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,720
had are the developers do they are they

1610
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,720
f like these or do they just going with

1611
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,920
it because they don't have a choice or

1612
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,440
do they actually

1613
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:20,640
>> they love to get away with what they can

1614
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,240
get away with more money in their

1615
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,280
pocket. Are you finding that? [laughter]

1616
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,240
>> Are you asking me or asking?

1617
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,599
>> Yeah. I know for you like is are they

1618
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,280
are you finding that they're actually

1619
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:29,760
>> well

1620
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,280
>> going with it or there is there a lot of

1621
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,000
fight you know is you know

1622
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,920
>> well once once they're adopted then

1623
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:36,400
there's no

1624
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,400
>> there's just no choice

1625
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,119
but I

1626
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,240
>> well your your your national retailers

1627
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,480
national chain they do this all over the

1628
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,160
country so they're not surprised by it.

1629
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,720
They'll tell you oh this you don't ever

1630
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,079
seen this before.

1631
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:51,359
>> Okay.

1632
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,000
They've done thousands.

1633
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,359
>> They've seen it before and they've seen

1634
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:58,640
things much more restrictive,

1635
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,119
but you know, you'll probably you'll

1636
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,480
probably get some push back. People

1637
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,039
saying, you know, this is too much or

1638
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:06,559
whatever. They always say, well, you

1639
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,400
know, we're going to go down the road.

1640
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,559
If the market's here, this is where the

1641
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,160
traffic's at. This is where

1642
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,280
development's happening. So

1643
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,359
>> certainly when there

1644
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:21,280
people want to be there, they'll do what

1645
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,599
they need to to be there.

1646
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,000
>> Can you postpone any new applications or

1647
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,920
is there a time limit once they submit

1648
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,880
it?

1649
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,720
>> So be out.

1650
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,270
How do we address the

1651
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760
» meaning that's up to you?

1652
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,190
uh

1653
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,000
knowledge.

1654
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,319
>> We'll bring those back to you when we

1655
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:54,240
get that far. Um th those will just be

1656
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,680
upgrades to existing software agreements

1657
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,359
that we have. to what we originally had

1658
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:04,720
and then discuss the difference in money

1659
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,150
for the

1660
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,559
» How much more time do y'all need to get

1661
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,920
these other little points settled other

1662
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,680
decisions? I think we can do this in

1663
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,680
September like he mentioned. I think we

1664
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,559
can get it done in that time frame.

1665
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:21,119
>> September

1666
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:23,680
>> with the me meetings and everything

1667
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:24,480
adopted.

1668
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,280
>> Then we'll be calling the public meeting

1669
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,640
>> through Yeah. through September.

1670
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,119
We can do it jointly if you want to push

1671
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:33,599
the time.

1672
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:37,119
>> I think that would be best. I I I like

1673
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:38,799
jointly.

1674
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:42,480
>> So by September the 22nd we can be done.

1675
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,720
>> I don't have a calendar but depending on

1676
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:50,710
timing for those public hearings.

1677
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,119
» If someone is present, if someone a

1678
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,200
group comes in and does a presentation

1679
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,400
discussion, does that start or does it

1680
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,599
with the escrow payment?

1681
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,839
>> An actual development application would

1682
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:07,359
probably start the clock, but

1683
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:09,280
>> okay. I wouldn't wouldn't start when

1684
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,599
they they came would come in [snorts]

1685
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:15,119
>> preliminary also just to just to be able

1686
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:16,159
to present to you.

1687
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:16,960
>> Okay.

1688
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,880
>> You tell them come back October 1st

1689
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,590
please. [laughter]

1690
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,759
» We have to because we can't meet until

1691
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:27,040
later in October.

1692
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,390
>> That's right. That's right. [laughter]

1693
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,159
» Vacation until then.

1694
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:37,359
>> Just so much happens so quickly. I know

1695
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,560
>> sooner it's in place, the more effective

1696
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:48,470
it's going to be for this for the city.

1697
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,080
» Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

1698
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,520
>> Thank you. Good [clears throat] to see

1699
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,400
you all.

1700
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,560
>> Right. Uh, next item on the agendas, the

1701
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,269
closing agenda, council inquiry.

1702
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,799
» Number seven, items to consider for

1703
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,719
placement on future agendas. You

1704
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:11,749
>> all got it on the agenda?

1705
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,719
I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn

1706
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:17,040
>> by Mr. Donaldson, second by Miss Fox.

1707
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,080
All those in favor of German say I. I.

1708
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,199
We will. Thank you.