[0:31] Good evening and welcome to the city of
[0:33] McGomery City Council and Planning and
[0:35] Zoning Commission special meeting for
[0:38] August 18th uh 2026. It is exactly 6 PM
[0:41] and I'd like to call this meeting to
[0:43] order. Uh before we get started, if you
[0:45] please check your phones to make sure
[0:46] that they are off so that we can conduct
[0:47] business and not be interrupted. that
[0:49] would be most appreciated. Uh we will
[0:52] begin with we have um everyone is here
[0:54] but Miss Langley and uh we will begin
[0:57] with the invocation given by Mr. Stan
[0:59] Donaldson and then the pledge of
[1:00] allegiance. Would you please rise?
[1:05] » Father, we thank you for this day. We
[1:08] thank you Lord that our hearts and minds
[1:10] are receptive father to the
[1:12] presentation. I thank you father we use
[1:14] wisdom and guidance in all of our
[1:16] business affairs. and thank you for
[1:18] blessing the city of Montgomery and uh
[1:21] and the people in it in Jesus's name.
[1:24] Amen.
[1:24] >> Amen.
[1:25] >> Pledge allegiance to the United States
[1:27] flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of
[1:30] the United States of America and to the
[1:33] republic for which it stands, one nation
[1:36] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:39] justice for all.
[1:40] >> Now the Texas flag.
[1:42] >> Honor the Texas flag. I pledge
[1:44] allegiance to thee, Texas, one state
[1:47] under God, one and indivisible.
[1:52] >> All right. I did receive one request
[1:54] under the citizens comments. So with
[1:58] that, Mr. Rocky Butler, would you please
[2:00] come to the podium?
[2:02] >> Yes, ma'am.
[2:03] >> He is here to speak on the item of a
[2:04] thank you.
[2:06] >> Okay. Um uh my name Rocky Butler. Um I
[2:10] am an office based office FM1097. I live
[2:13] in Minnesota by way right there in
[2:15] Whiteall area actually. Um but I just
[2:18] wanted to kind of say a few things.
[2:19] First of all, good evening to you all,
[2:22] mayor, city council and planning
[2:25] committee as well as the MEEDC who
[2:28] whatever members are here. I don't know
[2:30] what you're here at this time, but I
[2:32] just wanted to take a few minutes to
[2:33] personally thank you um for giving me
[2:36] the opportunity and placing your trust
[2:38] in me to represent the city, the city of
[2:41] McGomery. For those of you who don't
[2:42] know who I am, again, as Nate mentioned,
[2:44] my name, Rocky Butler. I'm with uh
[2:47] Butler Real Estate Group and I work
[2:49] under the commercial vision division of
[2:51] Berkshire Hathaway. And I had the
[2:53] privilege to list and sell 213 Prairie.
[2:57] You're all familiar with that property
[2:58] with the city own. Um, I wanted to come
[3:01] before you tonight not only to say thank
[3:02] you, but to also share a few of the
[3:05] analytics of the listing and give you an
[3:07] idea of the exposure generated
[3:09] throughout the listing period that that
[3:11] I had. The properties promoted more than
[3:13] 50,000 times. It generated over 1,400
[3:17] detailed views. That means those people
[3:20] spent some time looking through the
[3:21] metrics of the marketing materials that
[3:23] we sent them. And then that exposure
[3:25] resulted into multiple calls that we
[3:27] serviced as well as over 30 private
[3:30] showings of that property.
[3:33] As many as you may know in commercial
[3:34] real estate, getting the property from
[3:37] listing all the way to closing requires
[3:40] cooperation from a lot of people. And
[3:42] throughout that entire process,
[3:45] uh, the city administration, the MEDC
[3:48] were extremely responsive and
[3:50] professional.
[3:51] Whenever we needed information,
[3:53] documents, signatures, any type of
[3:56] property maintenance or decisions,
[3:58] everyone involved made it a priority to
[4:01] get these things handled quickly and
[4:02] efficiently for us. I especially want to
[4:05] recognize Brent Walker. Uh Brent was
[4:09] pivotal throughout the process and was
[4:12] always available when something was
[4:14] needed to be addressed.
[4:16] And I want to thank you Brent. Thank you
[4:18] personally very much for being so
[4:19] helpful to us. Uh I also want to thank
[4:21] the city and everyone in behind the
[4:24] scenes that assisted along the way. A
[4:27] successful closing is truly a team
[4:29] effort and I sincerely appreciate the
[4:31] cooperation, professionalism I received
[4:34] from beginning to end. And then finally,
[4:37] and most importantly,
[4:39] I want to apprec I appreciate the
[4:41] confidence you placed in me to represent
[4:43] the city of McGomery and its people
[4:46] this this town. I never take that
[4:49] responsibility lightly.
[4:52] It was a true privilege to work on your
[4:54] behalf and help bring this property to a
[4:57] successful close. It was an honor. Thank
[5:00] you. [clears throat]
[5:01] >> Thank you.
[5:04] >> All right. Next item on your agenda is
[5:05] presentation number five. Presentation
[5:07] and discussion by Brett Kee appended
[5:10] East Collaborative regarding the
[5:12] proposed unified development ordinance
[5:14] UDO.
[5:18] » There's presentation on
[5:20] >> I'll I'll give you a little a little
[5:22] intro where we are and what we're doing
[5:25] here today. I wanted to
[5:36] You can do it. I mean, can you see right
[5:38] there?
[5:38] >> Yeah, I sure can.
[5:41] >> Sorry.
[5:42] >> All right, no problem. I I wanted to
[5:45] touch base with you and tell you what brought us here and why we kind of
[5:48] scheduled this. We've been working on
[5:51] this for quite a while and I know you
[5:52] guys have heard inputs from us and the
[5:55] staff and everybody else and and
[5:59] Zach, the attorney, everybody's been
[6:02] reading this. We've been working with
[6:03] him. It's taken quite a bit to get where
[6:06] we are. This is your opportunity to
[6:08] listen to what's been going on to ask
[6:11] the questions because we're getting very
[6:13] close to being able to close this out
[6:15] and adopt this in in the month of
[6:18] September. Um, so this is the
[6:22] opportunity to ask questions. If you
[6:23] hear something you don't understand,
[6:25] this is the best time to do it. Uh, we
[6:27] want the feedback. We want to hear from
[6:29] you. If you hear something that you you
[6:31] want to learn more about, the attorneys,
[6:34] Zach or Brett can answer those questions
[6:37] or myself, any of us. Tilly, she has
[6:41] lots of answers.
[6:45] So that's it. Go ahead.
[6:48] Well, good evening. I'm Brett Kee, CEO
[6:51] of Ky Keys Collaborative. Address is 77
[6:54] Sugar Creek Center Boulevard, uh, Sweet
[6:58] 600 at Sugarland.
[7:00] Um, pleased to be with you tonight. As
[7:02] Brent indicated, um, this has been a
[7:04] long process for a variety of reasons,
[7:06] but we're to the point where we're very, close. Um, so I wanted to give you
[7:11] an update on on where we are. Next
[7:13] slide, please. Um so this shows you the
[7:16] organization of the unified development
[7:18] ordinance or UDO. Um we delivered um
[7:22] really four different modules because we
[7:24] broke the first one into modules one and
[7:26] 1.5. Um so that's where we have all the zoning districts and all the
[7:32] setbacks and heights and other types of
[7:34] standards. Um the permitted and
[7:36] conditional land uses, site development
[7:39] and design. I'm going to talk to you a
[7:40] little bit more about that tonight.
[7:42] flood plane and floodway development
[7:44] didn't change. We simply brought that
[7:46] from your current ordinance into the new
[7:48] format and then measurements and word
[7:50] usage. Module two, you can see what was
[7:53] included there. We've been going back
[7:55] and forth with staff of recent on the
[7:58] tree preservation standards. uh Brent
[8:00] and and staff has been very good about
[8:03] reading it um from their perspective,
[8:06] making sure that it's something they can
[8:07] understand and administer and trying to
[8:09] keep it simple and straightforward but
[8:11] yet achieve the outcomes that we're intending to get. And then module
[8:16] three is basically all the all the
[8:18] procedures,
[8:21] please. Um so these are all the the
[8:23] deliverables that we've um sent to the
[8:26] city over time. Most recently, last
[8:29] week, we just uh worked through the
[8:31] thrower plan, which is basically, you
[8:34] know, text dot to the county shows kind
[8:37] of your your larger streets, but they do
[8:40] not get down into the the collector
[8:42] roadways and some of the um connections
[8:45] within and between some of your
[8:46] neighborhoods and how the whole city is
[8:48] going to tie together. This is
[8:50] critically important. Um, in the past
[8:52] when we haven't had this, as you know,
[8:54] we have lots of neighborhoods with dead
[8:56] ends and circuitous streets and it makes
[8:58] it very difficult to move through and
[9:00] across the city. And so we want to be
[9:02] able to make sure that people are able
[9:03] to move freely without having to get
[9:06] back out on, you know, 105 to go down to
[9:10] two places uh when they can just go
[9:13] across access and make sure that there's
[9:15] adequate collector roadways which all
[9:17] your residential streets feed to and
[9:18] that feeds out to your major arterial
[9:21] roadways. So that'll be delivered um the
[9:23] [clears throat] revised draft will be
[9:25] delivered tomorrow and then everything
[9:26] else is all the the UDO pieces.
[9:30] Next, please. Um, so the UDEO implements
[9:36] the comprehensive plan. So, you have a a
[9:38] comprehensive plan. We made sure that we
[9:40] were making reference to that and we
[9:43] were following the policies and the
[9:45] initiatives and the objectives that were
[9:47] spelled out in that plan. Should you
[9:49] ever be challenged on a zoning case, you
[9:52] always want to be able to look back to
[9:53] the comprehensive plan and point your
[9:54] finger and say, "This is the adopted
[9:56] plan that we relied upon." So from from
[9:59] the land use the land use plan um the
[10:02] zoning districts match the land use plan
[10:05] the the districts there and you can see
[10:07] some of the objectives that were
[10:09] identified in the plan and the response
[10:12] to some of the different um sections of
[10:15] the of the UDO that are included. Next
[10:17] slide please.
[10:20] So for downtown obviously revitalize and
[10:22] create infill for streetscapes all those
[10:25] things are addressed within the code. um
[10:28] in the housing, expanding housing
[10:29] options, allowing mixeduse housing and
[10:32] support housing amenities. So, we've got
[10:35] districts that provide for a variety of housing types, not obviously just
[10:40] your single family or large lot, but we
[10:42] do have um the plan development district
[10:44] and R2 district to some extent. Um and
[10:47] then particularly having transition
[10:49] standards. So, if you live in a home now
[10:51] and you have a field behind you, you
[10:53] want to make sure that whatever might
[10:55] come in your backyard is going to be
[10:58] compatible or going to have a good
[11:00] transition. Um, so that could not only
[11:02] be lot size, but it would all be um
[11:05] landscaping, screening, fencing,
[11:07] whatever that might be.
[11:09] >> Next slide.
[11:10] um two other categories, mobility,
[11:12] connectivity, um walkability, sidewalks,
[11:16] biking, improved connectivity, all those
[11:18] things are addressed. And then same way
[11:20] with open space and landscaping and I'll
[11:22] be talking to you a little bit more
[11:23] about that later in the presentation
[11:25] here.
[11:27] Next slide.
[11:29] As I mentioned, compatibility. Um, you
[11:32] know, every community and every
[11:34] development ordinance wants to achieve
[11:35] compatibility between different types
[11:38] and scales of development and making
[11:41] sure we're protecting uh neighborhoods
[11:43] and personal investments. So, the UDO
[11:47] has spent a lot of time on design
[11:48] standards and buffering, landscaping,
[11:50] and other things to make sure that we're
[11:52] providing for that. And then the plan
[11:55] becomes action through the UDO. So
[11:58] basically for every element of the comp
[11:59] plan there's a response within the UDL.
[12:04] So since we last met with you um there's
[12:08] a few changes and these um many of them
[12:11] came from staff review
[12:14] uh Zach's review, attorney review, etc.
[12:17] So um
[12:21] see if we get to the right spot.
[12:22] function.
[12:25] » So, um your
[12:29] um the proposed districts are on the
[12:31] left hand column.
[12:33] Um the the corresponding districts on
[12:36] the right. So, your R1 is still R1, your
[12:39] R2 is still R2. Um we have a new
[12:43] downtown district. As you know, downtown
[12:45] has always been zoned the same thing as
[12:46] every other commercial district, even
[12:48] though it's entirely unique. So, we
[12:51] wanted to make sure have standards that
[12:53] mimic the rest of downtown and what
[12:55] exists there today. And then your your
[12:58] commercial, institutional, and
[13:00] industrial districts are all the same.
[13:02] And your plan development district, if
[13:04] you recall, it had expired. And so we
[13:07] have new standards in there for ED plan
[13:10] development.
[13:14] Um so originally when we drafted it um
[13:18] we had some kind of different
[13:20] development options where people can
[13:21] have smaller lots with increased open
[13:23] spaces and things of that nature.
[13:25] Basically provided for development
[13:26] clustering. We simplified that. Um so we
[13:30] removed that requirement. We still
[13:32] provide for open space. Your
[13:34] compensating open space provision is is
[13:36] still in there. We're just doing it in a
[13:38] different way. Um and then um we've
[13:42] added variations for lot size and rear
[13:45] setbacks. So for instance, there's a new
[13:47] subdivision coming in that's R1 has
[13:49] 9,000 foot lots and they are beside or
[13:51] back up to a 1 acre or larger lot. Um it
[13:55] requires that those lots be 70% the size
[13:57] of the 1acre lot. So just those that
[14:00] basically [snorts] share a property
[14:01] line. Everything else can can be you
[14:04] know single family. But again, you know,
[14:07] you probably heard it before, everybody,
[14:09] you know, is concerned about the value
[14:11] of properties and the impact on their
[14:13] property. So that's part of the reason
[14:14] why why we do that. And all the um
[14:19] regulations are in tables that spell out
[14:21] lot areas and widths and depths and all
[14:23] the setbacks. And then we have graphics
[14:25] in there that help illustrate and show
[14:27] how we apply
[14:29] property.
[14:31] Next slide. As I mentioned, we have
[14:34] transitioned um between your different
[14:37] districts. So, whenever there's a
[14:39] difference in building scale or height
[14:41] or the massing of a of a building or
[14:44] just the intensity of the land use,
[14:46] we've built in um transition standards.
[14:50] And the purpose is really to reduce the
[14:54] uh impacts on privacy, on shadowing in
[14:57] certain in instances as well as on the
[14:59] visual character and value. And so an
[15:03] example is um a maximum twostory
[15:07] apartment um has to be at least 50 feet
[15:10] away from an R1. There's requirements
[15:13] for building separation heights and
[15:15] buffer yards. The buffer yards are based
[15:17] upon the housing type. So basically the
[15:21] bigger the difference between the
[15:22] intensity of uses, the larger the buffer
[15:24] yard, more landscaping that's required.
[15:28] um when [clears throat] there's a a
[15:30] non-residential use next to like a
[15:33] commercial use whatever that might be
[15:35] office um retail has to be 100 foot away
[15:38] from R1 and 50 foot away from R2. Um and
[15:43] then there are also building design
[15:44] standards. So if the district provides
[15:47] for say a three-story building, it has
[15:49] to step down to two stories, you know,
[15:51] so it's more in line with with a twotory
[15:54] single family home. So the image there
[15:57] you see on the right of apartments and
[16:00] then you have single family and again
[16:02] depending upon the height and the the
[16:04] intensity of that use the buffer yard
[16:06] will shift and the mixture of of trees
[16:08] and shrubs and in some cases required
[16:11] fencing is is in there
[16:17] tree preservation standards um you know
[16:21] you have the benefit of being in an area
[16:23] where you have a lot of mature
[16:25] vegetation
[16:26] that contributes to the aesthetic of the
[16:28] community and the character of the
[16:29] community. So, we want to make sure
[16:31] that, you know, we're not being too
[16:34] difficult for development, but at the
[16:36] same time, um, if they're able to
[16:38] preserve trees to the maximum extent
[16:41] practicable, we want to do that. We've
[16:44] simplified the standards to ease the
[16:46] administration. So, there's not, you
[16:49] know, any massive tree surveys or
[16:52] anything like that that are required.
[16:54] But if there are trees um you know along
[16:57] roadways that exist now we want to
[16:59] preserve those. We have like a 30 foot
[17:02] preservation width. Um so you see the
[17:04] difference between the top photo and the
[17:06] bottom photo where we can preserve trees
[17:09] along our along our streets. And then we
[17:11] have landscaping requirements on the
[17:13] individual individual sites themselves.
[17:16] But if there is open space that's
[17:18] provided and they're able to preserve
[17:20] the trees, we expect them to do that.
[17:26] Um there is a new open space
[17:29] requirement. It's actually in the
[17:30] subdivision standards. Um basically it
[17:33] requires a minimum of 10% of the total
[17:36] land area. In a plan development it
[17:39] requires 20%. Because you have mixtures
[17:42] of housing types and just more
[17:44] intensity. And so you usually want like
[17:46] a common green or open open space or
[17:50] even you know small parks throughout
[17:51] that. Um and then it provides for no
[17:55] more than 50% of that can be within the
[17:58] flood plane. No more than 30% of that
[18:00] can be um for storm water requirements,
[18:03] but those storm water requirements have
[18:04] to be menitized. So it can't be a ditch
[18:07] with weeds in the bottom of it. Count
[18:09] that towards the open space. If they
[18:10] have a retention and they have fountains
[18:12] and they have trail around it, things
[18:14] like that, then it can be counted
[18:16] towards the open space. Otherwise, if
[18:19] it's, you know, something that's
[18:21] unsightly or not not going to be
[18:23] maintained, it will not count. Um, and
[18:27] the open space must be equal to the
[18:29] amount required for the current current
[18:32] phase. Basically, each phase of
[18:33] development will have to provide their
[18:34] open space. Um, so that they can say,
[18:37] well, we'll do that later on, but I can
[18:39] put in,
[18:41] you know, the first phase and then they
[18:43] sell to somebody else and now you're you
[18:46] flossed out. We need to make sure that
[18:47] each phase of development meets their
[18:49] own requirements and you've always had
[18:51] compensating open space provision. So we
[18:53] have carried that through. So you're
[18:55] used to administering that.
[18:59] Um the procedures uh we did a
[19:02] significant overhaul on that. Um we
[19:05] dramatically simplified and streamlined
[19:08] them. We consolidated a lot of the
[19:10] processes where they were similar
[19:13] approvals. um we removed and folded in
[19:17] some of the standalone permits. So
[19:19] instead of being a separate permit,
[19:21] they're actually kind of an approval now
[19:23] as part of a another process. Um
[19:27] reduced provision for a lot of ongoing
[19:30] uh monitoring and technical calculations
[19:32] and things like that that just put a lot
[19:34] of added burden on on your staff. And we
[19:38] also remove procedures that they're
[19:39] spelled out spelled out state law. We
[19:41] didn't duplicate or replicate that code.
[19:45] And we're still continuing to make a few
[19:48] minor revisions, but nothing really
[19:50] substitles.
[19:53] So, um
[19:55] we have put some building and site
[19:58] design standards in for multif family.
[20:02] >> Um and you can see that um basically it
[20:07] doesn't provide for square boxes. um
[20:10] that stairways have to be internal or
[20:13] covered. Um you have to have different
[20:15] uh materials and different colors. You
[20:18] have to have variations in the in the
[20:20] roof forms. Um also, you know, balconies
[20:24] and and places where you might have jut
[20:27] outs or building stepbacks, things like
[20:30] that. So, you're not getting just a
[20:32] blank facade. You have different wall
[20:33] planes. Um and then there's also
[20:36] foundation plantings
[20:38] um and and things of that nature. So
[20:40] this is an example of um an illustrative
[20:45] if you will of those standards. So
[20:48] making sure that you know building
[20:49] interest entrances are accentuated
[20:53] that there's two or more stories that
[20:55] they're they're identifying with
[20:58] horizontal articulation kind of the
[21:00] different stories using materials or
[21:02] other other types of architectural
[21:04] methods. And we also don't provide for
[21:07] large expanses of blank wall. So if
[21:10] there's a side elevation or rear
[21:11] elevation, they can't have beyond 25
[21:15] foot. That's just a blank wall. you
[21:17] know, no architectural treatment or
[21:20] material change or color change or
[21:22] windows or something like that that's
[21:24] going to help articulate to make that.
[21:29] We also have a 36060 degree requirement.
[21:32] So, if it's uh visible from a public
[21:36] street or public space or another
[21:39] property, they're going to have to kind
[21:40] of carry some of the design. has doesn't
[21:42] have to meet the front facade standards,
[21:45] but it has to carry that around all
[21:47] sides of that building so you don't get
[21:49] ugly rear elevation back up to your
[21:52] subdivision park.
[21:57] This is an example of aity space
[22:01] requirements for multif family require a
[22:04] minimum of 15%.
[22:06] In this particular illustration, see the
[22:09] yellow dotted lines, the dog bar.
[22:14] So that can all be in one centralized
[22:16] space or it can be broken out like this
[22:17] as long as they're providing for a
[22:20] minimum of 15% of the side area. Same
[22:24] thing will apply relative to storm
[22:26] drainage, other things like that.
[22:32] Now, when we first drafted last time we
[22:34] were here, we had some fairly
[22:37] sophisticated
[22:39] building design standards. State of
[22:41] Texas a handful of years ago, uh, limits
[22:46] local governments from dictating
[22:48] building materials. Um, so our approach
[22:51] has always been to basically say, well,
[22:53] we're going to give them a menu of
[22:55] options and you have to have three of
[22:57] these things or four of these things and
[22:58] you can pick and choose. Um, you know,
[23:01] masonry is in there. It's not mandated,
[23:03] but that's one of the choices. Um, we
[23:06] thought and together with staff that it
[23:08] would be easier if we just kind of have
[23:10] straightforward um, you know, standards
[23:13] so you don't have all these different
[23:15] scenarios and stuff that can be
[23:16] confusing and more difficult to
[23:18] administer.
[23:19] What I would like this evening is to get
[23:22] commission and council's authorization
[23:25] to draft standards that are based upon
[23:28] what you're seeing here. So we would
[23:31] have standards for single ointment
[23:33] building. So you know just a
[23:34] freestanding bank or a freestanding
[23:36] restaurant or something like that just a
[23:38] single occupant. um where we would make
[23:41] sure that you as you can see by um by
[23:44] the the illustration there that we have
[23:49] um you know for every 30,000 square foot
[23:51] of a single building exceeds that you
[23:53] have some sort of corner corner element
[23:55] or tower or something of that nature
[23:58] your again your entrances are
[24:00] accentuated you have different building
[24:03] materials and colors um it's not you
[24:06] have different facade planes so we have
[24:08] some some step backs of a minimum of 18
[24:10] in and again that has to be carried
[24:13] around around the building. So in the
[24:16] draft that we have right now we have
[24:18] these illustrations and below the
[24:21] illustrations are the corresponding
[24:23] standards with the the numbers that are
[24:26] shown on the shown on the um graphic.
[24:30] And then there's also requirements for
[24:34] building roof mounted equipment to make
[24:37] sure that that's also screened. So have
[24:39] a beautiful building and then have big
[24:42] AC units or whatever else on top that
[24:44] are aren't well screened. Um so this
[24:48] would be the the single occupant
[24:50] building design. Um the next slide is
[24:54] comparable but it would be a multi
[24:56] multiple occupant building design. Much
[24:59] like you saw with the multif family.
[25:01] Again we are delineating between first
[25:04] and second floor. We have modulation of
[25:07] the of the roof line. So you don't have
[25:09] just one continuous plane along along
[25:11] the top. Um you know using windows and
[25:15] different materials and things like that
[25:16] to really break up. as as you know,
[25:19] you've got some pretty great examples uh
[25:22] in downtown 105 of some existing
[25:24] buildings that have done a very nice job
[25:26] incorporating many of these same things.
[25:29] So, this is not something that you're
[25:31] not not used to doing, but basically
[25:34] every individual tenant, we have what we
[25:36] call kind of a building module and each
[25:38] module kind of has to have its own its
[25:41] own uniqueness so you don't just have
[25:43] monotony of these buildings.
[25:47] And then lastly, a multi- multiple
[25:50] building center. So, um if you have a
[25:53] shopping center and you have out
[25:55] parcels, we don't want to um prevent
[25:58] them from having individuality. Um but
[26:01] at the same time, we want to make sure
[26:02] we have some sort of uniform or some
[26:04] consistencies between them. So um you
[26:08] know the the out parcels can have their
[26:11] own uh uniqueness but at the same time
[26:14] tying in with some commonality with the
[26:17] overall overall development complex. So
[26:20] it looks like it was actually designed
[26:22] to go together rather than a bunch of
[26:24] oneoffs and every one of them have you
[26:26] know whatever their franchise
[26:28] architecture is and signage and
[26:30] everything just doesn't feel like it's a
[26:32] very well planned well planned
[26:34] environment. Um so again a lot of a lot
[26:37] of the same things with um having corner
[26:40] architectural elements um providing for
[26:43] pedestrian amenities and outdoor spaces
[26:46] interior pedestrian connectivity between
[26:49] different buildings and storefronts and
[26:51] things of that nature. So those are
[26:54] three different designs. Let me pause
[26:56] there and just see what thoughts
[26:59] comments you have. Again what I'm
[27:01] looking for is are you on board with
[27:04] this? um or are there certain things
[27:07] that you have more concern about than
[27:08] others? Um so as we go back and draft it
[27:11] that we know you know where you want I
[27:14] want to make sure that when that first
[27:15] building goes up after this is adopted
[27:17] that you go that's exactly what we were
[27:19] looking for. So
[27:21] >> I I just had the one question about the
[27:23] lot size. What was the minimum lot size
[27:26] you went through?
[27:27] >> It was just about the space of green
[27:29] space versus the space of building
[27:31] >> using a square footage. So was there a
[27:34] minimum lot size?
[27:35] >> I think we have for like commercial we
[27:36] have 15,000 square ft.
[27:38] >> Okay. What about residential?
[27:40] >> It's the same as it is today. You're
[27:42] 9,000.
[27:43] >> Yeah.
[27:44] >> The only the only place that that's
[27:45] different is in a plan development. In a
[27:48] plan development, they have to bring you
[27:50] um their plans. You have to approve
[27:52] those plans. If they make any changes
[27:54] those plans, they have to come back to
[27:56] you and get them approved again. And
[27:57] they're filed with the county. So
[27:59] whenever anybody is going to develop a
[28:02] piece within that master plan or
[28:05] adjacent to that, all that's filed with
[28:07] the county. Um so you have a lot more
[28:10] control there. We're allowing and I'll
[28:12] show you an example here in a minute. Um
[28:14] you can have duplexes, you know, um
[28:17] triplexes, town homes, apartment
[28:19] buildings. You can have a mixture in a development.
[28:24] And there the lot sizes obviously vary
[28:26] accordingly.
[28:28] This is the best presentation I've seen
[28:30] from KKC. Great job. You nailed it.
[28:32] >> Good
[28:34] to say. And I do have a question. So BCS
[28:37] Capital, we they purchased the property.
[28:39] We've not seen really hardcore plans
[28:41] yet. Adopt this tonight. They would have
[28:44] to go according to these, right?
[28:47] >> U when we adopt that
[28:50] >> depending on where that is.
[28:52] >> We haven't approved anything on that.
[28:54] >> No, we haven't. We've just done we've
[28:56] just approved like what we're going to
[28:58] do as far as a 380. We've divi there's
[29:00] been no design. Correct.
[29:02] >> Not on building, right?
[29:03] >> We're going through design for that or
[29:05] they're going through design for now.
[29:07] >> But as far as our ordinance, I think it
[29:08] is enter.
[29:12] Yeah, that's since they're development.
[29:15] >> Well, if they're inclined to change some
[29:17] things, I think
[29:18] >> Oh, yeah.
[29:22] » Sometimes a development agreement will
[29:24] specify that which regulations they'll
[29:26] abide by part of that agreement.
[29:30] >> Okay, next slide, please.
[29:33] Um, this is an example of when you have
[29:37] two different districts, two different
[29:39] uses, different scales that are next to
[29:41] one another. We don't want them right on
[29:44] top of one another. So again, you have
[29:47] um 50 foot of distance or 100 foot of
[29:50] distance depending upon whether it's
[29:52] single family or multif family. And
[29:54] there are buffer yard requirements. So
[29:56] the buffer yards are spelled out.
[29:58] There's like A, B, C, and D. And then
[30:00] there's a matrix. So if it's single
[30:02] family next to single family, it's an A
[30:04] buffer yard. There's not much required,
[30:06] right? Then as you go from there on up
[30:08] the industrial, then you get up to the D
[30:10] and it's very very intensive. And then
[30:13] there's also natural buffer yards where
[30:16] it's just trees and then there's um a
[30:19] structural buffer yard where you know
[30:20] they may have a fence or wall along with
[30:22] trees or they can do a BM if they have
[30:25] enough enough space. Um, so that shows
[30:28] you kind of how that
[30:30] >> was that is that 100 foot total the
[30:33] distance
[30:34] >> this one here showing 50 foot. So we've
[30:36] got a 20 foot buffer with 15t on either
[30:40] side.
[30:41] >> But the the code is says
[30:45] uh it's going to be 100 foot between
[30:47] commercial and R1
[30:49] >> and 50 foot for R2.
[30:52] >> Yeah. So that housing looks at R1.
[30:55] >> It does. You copy.
[30:58] >> The code. That's a good point. Good
[31:00] catch. The code does does say honored
[31:02] for single family and 50. This
[31:05] illustration does show 50.
[31:08] >> Yeah, it says it up there. But
[31:09] >> at the top right there,
[31:13] 50.
[31:15] >> The second story.
[31:16] >> Yeah.
[31:18] And you notice that um the building on
[31:20] the left steps down from two stories to
[31:22] one story just within a certain distance
[31:25] also.
[31:26] So that would that's how those um
[31:30] standards would would apply.
[31:36] Next slide.
[31:38] Um we have landscaping standards. So for
[31:42] single family, you would have canopy
[31:45] tree in the front yard and then another
[31:47] canopy tree in any yard. So you'd have a
[31:49] minimum of of two that are that are
[31:51] planted. Um and then for commercial
[31:56] um there are combination of canopy trees
[31:59] per lot and then canopy and ornamental
[32:02] trees per thousand square foot of
[32:03] landscape area as well as shrubs that
[32:06] are required. Um, and then you know
[32:09] depending on what they're next to, they
[32:10] might have buffer yard as well. So, um,
[32:14] and then there's also
[32:16] interior parking lots.
[32:19] >> How do you define canopy tree? Is there
[32:21] like a
[32:23] >> Yeah, trees. That means because if you
[32:25] go to our Kroger, [snorts] those are
[32:26] supposed to be canopy trees. They're
[32:27] sticks. Well, what what we can do is we
[32:30] could include an appendix that um that
[32:33] calls out the specific specific tree
[32:37] types that qualify or can be an
[32:39] ornamental.
[32:39] >> And how about irrigation of all this
[32:41] stuff? Is there forced irrigation?
[32:43] They'll plant the trees and as long as
[32:44] they planted them when they built it,
[32:46] they die two years later, they nothing
[32:48] hold them to it.
[32:49] >> Let me check. I'll have to have to check
[32:52] Ashley Dis. So usually we do have
[32:55] provisions for that or there's an
[32:58] alternative for zeroscape, you know, um
[33:01] kind of native trees to Texas that are
[33:03] drought tolerant. So I'll I'll email.
[33:08] >> So what does that look like if they were
[33:09] to do that and then they put in sub
[33:12] canopy trees that are not on the list or
[33:14] they do and they die? We have the
[33:16] ability to have uh code enforcement go
[33:18] out there and let them know that this
[33:20] tree is dead and they have 30 days to
[33:21] replace it. Rip and replace. Okay. Is
[33:24] there is there a certain
[33:26] size for the trees? How many gallons?
[33:28] >> Yeah, so they're a 2 inch caliper or any
[33:32] shrub is a minimum five gallon shrub.
[33:35] And if it's an evergreen, it's I believe
[33:37] minimum of six foot.
[33:41] So they're not width necessarily.
[33:45] >> A five gallon five gallon container.
[33:51] So, um, you know, the the bigger they
[33:54] get, the more difficult it is to keep
[33:56] them alive when you plant them.
[33:58] >> We don't want them too small because it
[34:00] may take years before they really have
[34:01] any effect. So, this is real common of
[34:04] what all cities do.
[34:07] >> Does that trees can be placed in
[34:09] clusters and need not be placed at even
[34:12] intervals? Does that hurt us or help us
[34:14] or what's the pros and cons there?
[34:16] >> Um, let's say parking lot with a little
[34:18] bunch of trees clustered here because
[34:19] they didn't want to do anything. So it
[34:20] would create more of a natural type of
[34:22] environment rather than having you know
[34:24] this rigidity. So everywhere you go in
[34:26] town they're exactly 25 foot apart. Plus
[34:29] um if there are power lines or other
[34:32] utilities they can group them so they
[34:34] don't have to ask for variance because
[34:36] we can't put a tree there. Um and it
[34:40] just you know they can they can group
[34:42] them within their open space. So they it
[34:44] just gives them more flexibility. They
[34:46] still have to meet the numbers. Um the
[34:48] shrubbery along the parking lot though
[34:51] we require that as a bumper bumper
[34:54] screen along all um uh parking areas and parking and vehicular use areas. So
[35:02] it may not be a parking lot, could be a
[35:04] drive aisle or it could be a truck lane
[35:06] or whatever that might be. Uh if they're
[35:08] adjacent to a public rights way or
[35:11] another property, they're required to
[35:12] provide screening.
[35:14] And then, as I said, there's um islands
[35:18] within the parking lots that require um
[35:21] a canopy tree as well. So, you have you
[35:25] don't just have 500 spaces out there
[35:28] with with no trees or with a few shrubs
[35:31] in an island, right? when you stand back
[35:33] and and look across the site, you'll
[35:35] see, you know, a variety of trees across
[35:38] that site because they're required um
[35:41] every 10 or 12 parking spaces. I believe
[35:44] you have to have an island.
[35:47] So, downtown there's none required. Um,
[35:51] obviously you're very constrained with
[35:52] your rideway and so forth, but we show
[35:54] that that depending upon what may happen
[35:57] in the future, if somebody uh were able
[36:00] to provide, you know, a tree and some
[36:02] street furniture and stuff, then that
[36:04] would be great. But we don't outright
[36:07] require it. Just
[36:13] this is just an illustrative, an
[36:16] example. if somebody has a plan
[36:18] development. Um you see this well even
[36:22] in the Houston area and all across the
[36:23] country. People are coming in um with a
[36:26] variety of different housing types. Um
[36:29] so what it does is it allows them to
[36:32] increase their their lot count and their unit count by having a mixture of
[36:37] single family and two family and town
[36:39] home and stuff. It helps them meet
[36:40] different markets so that they can meet
[36:43] different price points. So your firemen
[36:46] and police officers and school teachers
[36:47] and everybody else um can can afford
[36:50] places. They're not all just, you know,
[36:52] large lots that are super pricey. This
[36:55] one actually shows how you can have kind
[36:57] of some neighborhood commercial at the entrance that's walkable as well
[37:01] as, you know, a large common open space.
[37:04] Um so in some cases, maybe that's an
[37:06] elementary school or maybe it's, you
[37:08] know, park or whatever that might be. Um
[37:10] so that just gives you an idea of what
[37:14] Plan development again nothing gets
[37:17] approved by right right has all the
[37:20] standards in there but they have to
[37:21] bring a plan to you and you review that
[37:23] plan and that plan is adopted as part of
[37:25] that ordinance
[37:28] goes with that ordinance they come back
[37:30] later and they they often do because
[37:32] they don't know what the market's going
[37:33] to do they don't know what end users
[37:35] might come to them right um so they may
[37:38] need to say gee we have you know we've
[37:41] had this use come to us and
[37:44] to come back and do a plan amendment to
[37:47] accommodate [snorts] that use, but it
[37:49] has to come back in front of the
[37:50] council.
[37:53] So, next steps, um, state law requires
[37:56] you have, [snorts] uh, at least two
[37:58] public hearings. So, generally that's
[38:00] one before the funding and zoning
[38:02] commission and then one before city
[38:05] council. Um,
[38:08] I should mention that the zoning map
[38:13] is doesn't have to be changed except for
[38:16] the downtown boundary. Um that's the
[38:19] only change that you have. Um so we have
[38:23] proposed a boundary to staff um and they
[38:26] are looking at it to align the
[38:29] boundaries. I think it's fairly obvious
[38:32] where the downtown boundaries are. Um so
[38:34] that would be the only change um from
[38:37] what we have today. that's just, you
[38:39] know, zoned on commercial. So, you would
[38:42] have a DT for downtown district for that
[38:45] area. Otherwise, everything that's zoned
[38:48] today still be zoned the same.
[38:51] >> So, you're saying we're lifting the
[38:52] historic downtown district name and just
[38:55] making it a downtown district.
[38:57] >> Yeah, the zoning ordinance is is DT
[38:59] designation. is it's a downtown that has
[39:03] boundaries and as I said there are
[39:05] standards where we bring buildings to
[39:07] the street so they have a maximum
[39:09] setback not a minimum setback so we want
[39:11] them to keep that that pedestrian
[39:13] streetscape
[39:15] um and then there's provisions in there
[39:17] that if they do you know a twotory or a
[39:20] false twotory facade
[39:22] um and you know creating small open
[39:26] spaces and stuff whether that's for
[39:28] outdoor seating or outdoor restaurants
[39:30] or whatever. Keep in mind that this
[39:32] everybody looks at downtown today and
[39:34] says, "Well, it's pretty much there,
[39:36] right?" But who knows what's going to
[39:37] happen the next 10 or 20 years. Um, you
[39:40] know, things could start redeveloping or
[39:43] whatever that might be. So, we want to
[39:45] make sure that we have have those
[39:47] standards in place. So, somebody can't
[39:49] come in and put, you know, a gas station
[39:52] downtown and have pumps and big canopy
[39:55] out front. That just disrupts that whole
[39:57] story character.
[40:00] Um
[40:02] we have well first of all oftent times
[40:06] when we do this it's dramatically
[40:09] different than what you've had before.
[40:12] So oftent times what we will do is we
[40:14] will provide assistance to you for a
[40:16] certain period of time. Um, oftentimes
[40:19] what we do is we have you adopt an
[40:22] ordinance whereby an applicant posts an
[40:26] escrow fee and that fee pays our fee. So
[40:30] it doesn't come out of the general fund.
[40:32] Um, so they may post, you know, $2,000
[40:35] and it cost us $1,000 to work with staff
[40:38] and whatever we need to do if we need
[40:40] to, you know, meet with you or what have
[40:43] you. And we spend $1,000 and they get
[40:45] $1,000 back. if it gets very involved,
[40:47] there's lots of meetings and lots of
[40:49] reviews and and revisions and things
[40:51] like that, they spend $2,500, then they
[40:53] post another $500. Um, so we have done
[40:57] that in multiple places around Texas.
[40:59] We're doing it in sim Texas right now.
[41:02] Um, so we could help in um working with
[41:07] staff to make sure that they are
[41:10] identifying all of the applicable
[41:13] provisions. Um, when somebody comes in
[41:16] with a plan or resoning or a site plan
[41:19] so that they're they're making sure that
[41:21] they're addressing everything.
[41:23] if they want to help how to interpret it
[41:26] or how to apply it to a particular lot
[41:28] or even, you know, talk with an a
[41:31] development applicant or an architect,
[41:32] whatever that looks like, we can be
[41:34] available. Generally, it's just, you
[41:37] know, on a on an hourby-h hour basis.
[41:39] Um, and we can help give you a new staff
[41:43] report template. Um obviously the
[41:46] standards are a whole lot different. So
[41:48] there's a lot more um materials to cover
[41:51] in a staff report that you get when
[41:52] somebody submits an application. It's
[41:54] basically from staff saying here's
[41:56] everything you need to know about this
[41:57] application. Um it can either be
[41:59] structured as saying if you want to
[42:01] approve it, here's the conditions and
[42:03] stipulation. If you want to deny it,
[42:05] here's the uh stipulations and
[42:08] conditions. um
[42:11] we would we could do a memorandum of
[42:13] staff review processes just to make sure
[42:15] that everything is flowing smoothly,
[42:17] that the communication lines are good,
[42:19] um that we're not dropping the ball and
[42:21] things are taking longer than they need
[42:23] to. We want to make sure that when an
[42:25] applicant submits um that, you know,
[42:27] they're moved through the process and
[42:28] they know what the next step is and when
[42:30] that's happening so they don't get
[42:32] frustrated. So, um, it helps everybody
[42:35] if everything's laid out clearly and you
[42:37] have a schedule of when to submit an
[42:38] application, when public hearing notice
[42:40] goes out, when the meetings are
[42:42] scheduled, when you have to have your
[42:43] comments back, things of that nature.
[42:46] Um, so that is one things that I wanted
[42:48] to point out if that's something you may
[42:49] be interested in. And then the last
[42:52] item,
[42:54] um, last slide,
[42:57] we have a a new tool that's called a
[43:01] knowledge advisor. So as you recall your
[43:04] code of ordinances is in the encode plus
[43:06] platform and the UDO is in that same uh
[43:12] cloud hosted web-based platform. So
[43:15] somebody will be able to go to we'll
[43:18] eventually put them together. So they'll
[43:19] be on the same site but whenever you go
[43:21] into the code all of the table contents
[43:24] are hyperl right. So you can easily jump
[43:26] there. If you come across a definition
[43:28] you hover over that definition with your
[43:29] mouse it pops up the definition. If it
[43:32] makes a cross reference to the
[43:33] landscaping standards or the parking
[43:35] assigning standards as a hyperlinks will
[43:36] take you right to those standards, we
[43:38] can link back and forth between the code
[43:40] of ordinances and so forth. So since we
[43:43] have those in this platform and since
[43:46] they will be kept up to date, so
[43:48] whenever an ordinance is adopted and
[43:50] sent to us, we codify and publish it
[43:53] within 10 days. Okay? it it doesn't sit
[43:56] for months because if somebody's
[43:58] submitting for development and they're
[43:59] investing hundreds or millions of
[44:02] dollars in the community, they need to
[44:04] know what the requirements are, not have
[44:05] to dig through other ordinances. So,
[44:07] they all need to be posted. Since
[44:09] they're in the system, we have this tool
[44:11] that somebody can ask a common language
[44:13] question. So, they can say,
[44:17] "What are the cities, you know, what are
[44:18] the subdivision requirements?" Or, "I'm
[44:21] submitting a resoning application.
[44:23] What's the process for that?" or
[44:26] um they can even include GIS. So
[44:29] somebody can actually add about about an
[44:31] address. So they can say, "Can I build a
[44:33] restaurant at 110 Cherry Street?" And
[44:36] it'll tell them yes or no. Here's all
[44:38] the setbacks. Here's all the uses. You
[44:41] can click and go to a GIS map. Um, so
[44:44] this came up because in a conversation
[44:46] with staff last week and I was in their
[44:49] shoes when I was a young planner, we did
[44:51] a whole new unified development
[44:52] ordinance, entirely different than our
[44:54] old ordinance and it was a lot of work
[44:56] those first few applications because you
[44:58] know we couldn't remember where
[45:00] everything was at. We couldn't remember
[45:01] how everything went together and the
[45:04] question was if somebody splits an
[45:05] application, how do we know all the
[45:07] different bits and pieces that go with
[45:08] that? This tool would answer that
[45:10] question. So an applicant, council
[45:13] member, commissioner, staff member, of the public can answer, ask any
[45:18] question of your code of ordinances or
[45:20] your UDO and it will give them a
[45:23] response and uh it is um trained only on
[45:28] your ordinances. So it does not permit
[45:30] any scanning across the internet to
[45:32] bring in something that doesn't apply
[45:35] and it's all entirely factual. doesn't
[45:38] give any suggest suggestions, any
[45:40] recommendations, nothing. It just says
[45:42] here's what the code says about your
[45:44] question. Um, so that would be an add-on
[45:48] to to the online code. We just we just
[45:52] came out with this like three weeks ago.
[45:53] >> So this would be on our website did
[45:55] hyperlink to yours. And then that
[45:57] information you host the software on the
[46:00] back end.
[46:00] >> It's it's all Yeah, it's hosted by
[46:03] Microsoft Azure. So you got 99.99%
[46:05] guaranteed up time and it's all backed
[46:07] up and secure and everything,
[46:08] >> right?
[46:09] >> We're on the cloud too. So when they
[46:11] send us ordinances, we can immediately
[46:13] publish those ordinance right to right
[46:15] to your site
[46:18] and we would update
[46:20] uh your probably not your code of order.
[46:22] Well, could be your code of ordinance
[46:24] and your UDO. You know, they're make
[46:26] you're making changes along the way. So
[46:27] we provide at least two updates annually
[46:30] and can do more as needed to make sure
[46:32] that when somebody asks the questions
[46:34] they're getting the latest and greatest
[46:35] answers.
[46:36] >> What's the SLA to get the answers? So
[46:38] like well say for instance we change the
[46:41] code ordinances. What's the SLA to get
[46:42] those up and published?
[46:44] >> Uh we we do the ordinances within 10
[46:46] days. Um,
[46:49] we
[46:51] would probably probably take another 10 days or so to make sure that
[46:56] it's online. We're obviously we're using
[46:59] new technology. Um, the way it all the
[47:03] way did have to be, you'd have to update
[47:04] the entire code of ordinances if you
[47:06] made one change, but what we're getting
[47:08] ready to deploy is you only have to
[47:10] update that one section and I'll update
[47:12] the whole thing. So, again, I will get
[47:14] back with Brett on that.
[47:16] You said it's a add-on to So it's an
[47:19] add-on to the current service that we
[47:20] that we're gonna that you subscribe to.
[47:23] Is it an added cost? Add
[47:24] >> an added cost. So cost.
[47:26] >> Yeah. So it's it's there's not a onetime
[47:30] fee. So we build it for you at no
[47:32] additional cost, but we roll that into
[47:34] the annual cost because uh it's it's
[47:38] going out and utilizing different models
[47:40] and every time somebody asks it a
[47:41] question, there's a usage charge. So
[47:44] obviously those mount up. So, it's um
[47:47] $3,500 annually. So, we've done some
[47:50] math and basically
[47:52] um if you get a couple inquiries a day,
[47:56] it'll pay for itself in four to six
[47:57] months.
[47:58] >> And you're talking about AI tokens for
[48:00] AI tokens.
[48:01] >> Yeah. So,
[48:04] >> no
[48:07] access.
[48:07] >> So, we have access to a whole range of
[48:10] different models. So depending upon the
[48:11] question that it's asking it will
[48:14] basically utilize.
[48:15] >> So is it large language or is it
[48:18] >> Yes.
[48:18] >> Okay.
[48:19] >> Yeah.
[48:19] >> So it's not agentic.
[48:22] >> So I can write you an agent profile if
[48:25] you want.
[48:27] It's up to you. Well, yeah. The only uh
[48:32] the the only thing is that this is
[48:34] drawing directly from your official code
[48:37] of ordinances and code of order and you
[48:39] know that's in the platform by having it
[48:41] in the platform. Uh it's all we go
[48:44] through the process. It's all indexed.
[48:47] Um they're governed documents. So you
[48:49] know there's a lot of lot of parameters
[48:51] on that. You could try to use, you know,
[48:54] a PDF and and use chat QBT, but you may
[48:56] or may not get the right answer.
[48:58] >> So, you say 3500
[49:01] >> and then it's add
[49:04] usage. There's
[49:06] >> no that's that's covered. That's why we
[49:08] do an annual fee. So, we're not
[49:10] concerned about the the usage.
[49:13] >> It can be used 100 times a day.
[49:14] >> I was going to say so it can be used
[49:16] either two times a day or 500 times a
[49:18] day.
[49:19] >> Yeah. I I mean oftent times, you know,
[49:22] whoever's calling or asking questions of
[49:24] staff multiple times a day, whe it's an
[49:26] applicant, whoever it might be, and
[49:28] they're have to chase that downs, find
[49:30] information, email to them, call them
[49:32] back, all that type stuff. So, what
[49:34] we're trying to do is to limit that to
[49:36] the extent practical. They can answer
[49:38] their own questions on their phone or on
[49:40] their laptop. And then once they have
[49:43] that, when they come to staff, they're more intelligent about what
[49:47] they're asking. Um, so in a short amount
[49:50] of time, either get their answer right
[49:52] up front or they'll call staff and say,
[49:54] "Hey, I got this and just want to
[49:57] verify." There's also a disclaimer.
[49:59] Every time you ask a question, you get a
[50:01] response. There's a disclaimer. It says
[50:03] staff is the official answer, right? So,
[50:06] we don't want you relying on this tool
[50:10] as the end all beall. You always have to
[50:12] verify staff.
[50:18] Yes. Yeah. And you know when ordinances
[50:21] get twisted to various interpretations
[50:24] depending upon the the user. So
[50:27] >> who owns the data you or us?
[50:28] >> You make sure
[50:30] >> we don't take any other software
[50:32] companies every all the data you put in
[50:34] that becomes their data no matter what
[50:36] to get it back out to extract it as a
[50:38] cost.
[50:38] >> It's all yours. Um there's yeah there's
[50:41] no additional cost. Um, it can be
[50:44] exported to a word file any hour of the
[50:47] day, any day of the week.
[50:50] >> So, which platform did you say you were
[50:51] using?
[50:55] » Oh gosh, I would have to ask my my AI
[50:59] engineer. Um, like I said, we utilize a
[51:02] service that has access to um a variety
[51:06] of different um AI models. Um, I'll I'll
[51:11] email Brent the morning. You can pass it
[51:13] on to
[51:23] » How much time do you think this would
[51:24] save you, Tilly?
[51:29] » The time did it save me.
[51:33] >> How many inquiries do you get in a day's
[51:34] time?
[51:36] >> A lot of inquiries. The The inquiries
[51:39] come from engineers and architects. They
[51:42] would still rather get it from a live
[51:44] person. Um, I'm still directing them and
[51:47] having to read the ordinance with them
[51:50] to verify that they understand exactly
[51:52] what the ordinance says. So,
[51:56] even if they know the location of the
[51:59] ordinance, even though I refer them to
[52:01] that location, I email them the
[52:02] information, they still want a phone
[52:04] call. So,
[52:07] um, need for handholding
[52:11] >> and and we say there always has to be
[52:12] human intervention, right? This is never
[52:14] the answer. So
[52:16] >> at the end of the day, always has to go
[52:18] to
[52:20] >> Yes.
[52:23] » So that concludes my presentation.
[52:26] >> Thank you.
[52:27] >> Great. Good stuff. Thank you.
[52:28] >> One more question. It said six months on
[52:30] there and that's included free inclusion
[52:33] to the support staff for six months.
[52:34] >> No, that's additional, right? You say
[52:36] it's an island.
[52:38] >> Yeah. Different cities have done it for
[52:40] different periods of time. It's whatever
[52:41] you want it to be. So basically it's to get Zach and Tilly and anybody
[52:47] else in the city up to speed so they
[52:48] feel comfortable and when applications
[52:50] come in they they know exactly where to
[52:53] go in the code. This this would go a
[52:55] long way towards helping with that.
[52:57] >> What is your cost of that? Um that tool
[53:00] is the 3500 annual assist
[53:04] >> that is uh we just have an hourly rate
[53:07] charge and there is a a fee that the
[53:11] applicant posts with their application.
[53:13] So I believe in Simon right now they
[53:16] post $1,500 and like I said if we spend
[53:19] a,000 they get 500. Okay.
[53:22] >> So lot sometimes it'll be different
[53:24] depending upon if they're spinning a
[53:26] plan development is a lot more involved.
[53:27] So maybe five grand
[53:29] >> but if our people need not an applicant
[53:31] if they need assistance with it is that
[53:33] a charge for that or is that going to be
[53:35] the
[53:36] >> because our contract for this project
[53:38] will be done at the money comes from
[53:39] that. So it's it's basically an on call agreement
[53:42] >> and we can you know say we'll have a
[53:44] weekly meeting with Tilly and Zach or
[53:47] bi-weekly or if you want us to talk to
[53:50] somebody we can but basically they can
[53:53] look at it and say did I catch
[53:54] everything and we can look at it say so
[53:57] I remember what three years ago we
[54:00] started this
[54:02] >> three or four
[54:03] >> 2011 hasn't been Stan you remember
[54:06] >> oh it was
[54:07] >> the the timeline dates.
[54:10] Granted, I'm not holding you to it 100%
[54:13] cuz some of it was our fault, but not
[54:15] all.
[54:15] >> Well, it was May the deliverable date I
[54:18] think was May of this year.
[54:20] >> May of this year%
[54:24] » we went for a period of what six, seven
[54:27] months without without point of contact.
[54:30] So that alled this and then recently
[54:33] um staff to their credit has has really
[54:36] dug into it and they've been giving us a
[54:38] lot of their feedback and so we've been
[54:39] revisiting
[54:42] you know we all want to get it right fast.
[54:49] Can you revisit your explanation to the
[54:52] mayor about the u historic downtown and
[54:56] then you said no we're calling it
[54:58] downtown. So
[55:02] when people look stuff up is it going to
[55:04] say historic downtown?
[55:06] >> It certainly can. Right now it's just called downtown but that's a
[55:10] simple change.
[55:11] >> I'm just asking because I wanted to
[55:13] clarify because I knew you said no we
[55:15] call it downtown. So, I was like, is
[55:17] that something we want to hang on to?
[55:20] I'm just asking the question, historic
[55:22] downtown.
[55:23] >> I can explain part of that. You know,
[55:25] the historic overlay that is down there
[55:27] now has no teeth in it. It's really a
[55:30] suggestion. I mean, it was a good idea
[55:33] and it's a much broader. It covers some
[55:35] of the houses and that, but it really
[55:37] doesn't cover it. It doesn't make them
[55:39] do anything. I know you've read it
[55:41] because you know I mean it gives them
[55:43] some design suggestions and things.
[55:46] >> What this the difference was what we're
[55:48] trying to do or what we tried to deliver
[55:50] was a downtown district that you could
[55:53] control setbacks, heights, you know,
[55:55] looks and all that. You're actually
[55:57] controlling something. Um you can always
[56:00] have the suggestions of how you want it
[56:01] to look like a 1887 whatever, you know,
[56:04] building like it says now. You know,
[56:06] there's some weird suggestions in there,
[56:09] but
[56:10] that's exactly what it is. It's a
[56:12] suggestion. There's nothing that we can
[56:14] say you have to do this. This gets it a
[56:16] little closer. It still didn't say, you
[56:19] know, you're completely limited, but it does, you know, they're not going to
[56:24] plow half of it down and then put big
[56:27] setbacks and put porches out front or,
[56:30] you know, because we're going to keep
[56:31] them street level facing, you know,
[56:36] tight areas like it is now. That's kind
[56:40] of the point of it.
[56:40] >> I imagine the historic preservation
[56:42] ordinance came along because downtown
[56:44] didn't have its own district. So didn't
[56:46] have didn't have standards. And so I'm
[56:49] guessing maybe that was put in as a as a
[56:51] step toward what we've got now.
[56:53] >> Yeah. I I the reason I'm saying it is
[56:55] because when you live here for quite
[56:57] some time,
[57:00] you uh you would tie everything into it
[57:03] like come to historic downtown for you
[57:06] know the cookie walk or for the
[57:07] historical home walk or you know that
[57:10] was our ploy to gather people into
[57:13] downtown. Um I'm just I just want to
[57:16] clarify
[57:17] >> change the the terminology. You can keep
[57:19] that.
[57:20] >> Yeah.
[57:20] >> The district is only for controlling the
[57:22] architecture.
[57:23] >> Okay. I'm just that's all just I'm just
[57:27] want to know why because people will go
[57:29] well is it downtown or is it historical
[57:30] downtown? Guarantee it. They'll ask
[57:32] they'll go what happened to historical
[57:34] downtown? Nothing. We just took the word
[57:36] historical off. So
[57:38] >> it's a question they'll ask.
[57:40] >> So I have a question about the PD. Thank
[57:42] God it's now um expired. But anything
[57:46] that happens on Pleasant, we don't get
[57:47] those ugly institutional buildings ever
[57:49] again. We can institute this. Correct.
[57:51] Just
[57:53] >> in the expired PD.
[57:57] >> Well, yes, because it has again there's no teeth in that either anymore.
[58:03] you know, there's most of it's filled
[58:06] out, but as we go into the new
[58:08] development that's still going to be in
[58:10] some of those areas of that PD, this
[58:12] will take over from that.
[58:18] » Awesome. I just wanted to clarify
[58:20] something about that planned
[58:21] development. So, the planned development
[58:24] district is a zoning district that did
[58:26] not expire. The development agreement
[58:29] expired. It's the agreement that
[58:31] expired, not the people.
[58:33] >> It's still there for And it's
[58:34] >> indefinite.
[58:35] Yeah.
[58:36] >> Until you reszone it
[58:38] >> then. But otherwise, plan development is
[58:41] still there. It's the development or
[58:44] that's expected.
[58:45] >> There's no
[58:47] >> piece to it. Again,
[58:49] >> the plan development.
[58:50] >> No, it was a deal. It wasn't it wasn't
[58:53] finalized
[58:55] when the development agreement expired.
[58:58] Right.
[59:08] What we have to do to get the ball roll
[59:17] by September?
[59:18] >> We have to have a public public hearing.
[59:20] >> Just allow staff to finalize what we
[59:23] have and bring it to us in September.
[59:25] >> Yeah, we have a few more things to touch
[59:27] up on. Um, and that's one of the
[59:30] questions for you guys. I mean, I can
[59:32] send everybody the 400page thing or
[59:34] whatever it is, but I I didn't feel like
[59:37] that was a value. I don't think
[59:38] anybody's really, but it we can send out
[59:42] whatever you want us to send out. You
[59:44] can take the time to read, you know,
[59:46] parts of it that you want. Um, that's
[59:48] why I wanted to to hear the feedback
[59:50] tonight. you know, as long as the the
[59:53] direction is right, I think we, you
[59:55] know, you'll adopt this and we'll move
[59:57] forward. And it's really a just like you
[1:00:00] said, you know, a couple meetings and
[1:00:02] full adoption.
[1:00:04] >> So, state law says public hearings
[1:00:06] plural. So, you need to have at least
[1:00:09] two, but you can also, if you're
[1:00:11] interested in timing, you can also join
[1:00:14] me where the commission will take action
[1:00:17] and then the council would take action.
[1:00:19] So you can kill two birds without
[1:00:21] stopping.
[1:00:23] >> So
[1:00:24] >> just still have to have two
[1:00:28] >> be the same presentation you just did
[1:00:29] basically pretty much
[1:00:35] » and when it's adopted it's moving
[1:00:38] forward.
[1:00:39] So, anybody that rushes in here and
[1:00:42] they're in the middle of developing an
[1:00:44] yes and no, are they referring to this
[1:00:47] or are they referring to old stuff?
[1:00:51] >> Want to be clear that there are vested
[1:00:53] rights?
[1:00:54] >> Yes.
[1:00:55] >> Instead,
[1:00:56] >> right? So, if somebody has made
[1:00:58] application,
[1:00:59] they basically vest themselves.
[1:01:01] >> Okay.
[1:01:02] >> So, basically, you can't pull the rug
[1:01:04] out from under change the rules of the
[1:01:05] game after they already.
[1:01:08] Um the question was asked if somebody
[1:01:10] plants a large property but then each
[1:01:14] owner land owner comes in and wants to
[1:01:17] do a site plan over the next several
[1:01:19] years then they will have to go through
[1:01:21] the site plan process but that plat we
[1:01:24] can't you know halt them and make them
[1:01:27] start over again. who did create the
[1:01:29] ordinance about two years ago where
[1:01:32] there is a time
[1:01:35] >> yes
[1:01:37] >> and then goes to where
[1:01:39] >> well that's what I'm trying to figure
[1:01:41] because when when we [clears throat] sit
[1:01:42] down for our meeting and they bring all the paperwork to us now we have to
[1:01:46] sit there and we have two new members
[1:01:49] that are going to go did you already
[1:01:51] talk about this and we're going to have
[1:01:52] to dig back and see and I guess we just
[1:01:54] have to be more proactive with our
[1:01:56] agenda and say hey this facility should
[1:01:58] be able to take whether or not
[1:02:03] y
[1:02:05] >> I think it's assumed too but if we do
[1:02:08] when we do make this rules can you share
[1:02:11] with these new developments that are
[1:02:12] happening a suggestion
[1:02:14] >> you know at least throw it out there
[1:02:16] >> think they can not only BCS but the
[1:02:18] other side of
[1:02:18] >> HB
[1:02:20] this is what we're going for try to
[1:02:21] influence at least you know don't just
[1:02:23] go okay well they're just doing what
[1:02:24] they're doing
[1:02:25] >> they haven't done anything so they would
[1:02:26] be a part of That's what
[1:02:29] they
[1:02:29] >> on the other side of HV.
[1:02:30] >> Yes.
[1:02:31] >> In that big old dirt pit. Yeah. They
[1:02:32] were already moved dirt. So
[1:02:35] >> made application.
[1:02:36] >> They don't have they don't have a
[1:02:37] development agreement with them.
[1:02:39] >> It has nothing to do with the
[1:02:40] development agreement.
[1:02:41] >> Right. But they they haven't come to us
[1:02:42] with any plans. They they would still be
[1:02:44] under this new plan. Right.
[1:02:48] >> They already submitted a development
[1:02:50] application and escro agreement. So
[1:02:54] we're already reviewing at least portion
[1:02:57] of the civil.
[1:02:58] >> But was there money?
[1:03:01] >> The infrastructure is planned out in it.
[1:03:03] I guess we'd have to talk to people.
[1:03:06] >> Yeah. See see where it is because once
[1:03:08] it comes to us.
[1:03:09] >> Well, you could submit pictures without
[1:03:10] having a plan. You could say this is
[1:03:12] high pie in the sky. So that I mean
[1:03:14] >> I'd like clarification.
[1:03:16] >> Can we get that?
[1:03:17] >> Texas is going to protect that property
[1:03:18] owner. can't come in and change school
[1:03:20] rules in the middle of it.
[1:03:21] >> I know I'm I'm not I am asking if they
[1:03:24] had already I remember seeing the
[1:03:26] pictures. I didn't know where we were in
[1:03:27] that process. So I wanted to know if
[1:03:29] they would be adhering to this or if
[1:03:31] they were grandfathered into the prior.
[1:03:33] That's all I was asking.
[1:03:34] >> Yeah. And it would be real simple,
[1:03:36] right? You'd call it up and you'd tell
[1:03:37] us and you'd say, "Hey, this is a list
[1:03:39] of the developments and moving forward
[1:03:43] they don't get touched and these moving
[1:03:46] forward can be."
[1:03:46] >> It would be great to have a list of the
[1:03:48] grandfather.
[1:03:49] >> Yes.
[1:03:49] >> Just make everybody's job easier without
[1:03:52] guessing.
[1:03:52] >> The development agreement not yet done.
[1:03:55] >> You could negotiate.
[1:03:57] >> Sure.
[1:03:57] >> This is part of that.
[1:03:58] >> Same way with annexation agreements and
[1:04:00] things like that. Cities have said part
[1:04:02] of that agreement is that they will
[1:04:04] abide by.
[1:04:05] >> Yeah. And anybody coming in here that
[1:04:07] wants to make money would would probably
[1:04:10] be very understanding. We hope to
[1:04:12] negotiate to look aesthetically
[1:04:15] >> the way that this is versus what we had.
[1:04:18] >> The financial impact is totally
[1:04:19] different. So I'm sure that they would
[1:04:21] love to be grandfathered.
[1:04:23] >> Maybe they'll be more agreeable. It's
[1:04:25] more pleasant to be submitted. Like I
[1:04:28] mean we can hope for the best.
[1:04:30] >> Stats out everybody. Let's just suggest
[1:04:32] it to the people that are, you know, in
[1:04:34] limbo right now at least just to share
[1:04:35] it just to hopefully they want to fit in
[1:04:37] because you know what they might go well
[1:04:39] I want to do other projects so maybe
[1:04:40] they will go along with the program. So
[1:04:43] hopefully
[1:04:45] we have a few temporary ordinances that
[1:04:47] we can correct to you know and we can
[1:04:50] clean up the tree stuff and you know
[1:04:52] because we've been having to kind of
[1:04:54] we've been in limbo on some of this. So
[1:04:56] there will be some things we can suggest
[1:05:01] and and work with and a lot of these
[1:05:03] developers are more than happy to you
[1:05:05] know I mean unless we you know cost them
[1:05:07] a whole lot of money but
[1:05:09] >> and that was my that was a question I
[1:05:11] had are the developers do they are they
[1:05:14] f like these or do they just going with
[1:05:16] it because they don't have a choice or
[1:05:17] do they actually
[1:05:19] >> they love to get away with what they can
[1:05:20] get away with more money in their
[1:05:22] pocket. Are you finding that? [laughter]
[1:05:25] >> Are you asking me or asking?
[1:05:26] >> Yeah. I know for you like is are they
[1:05:27] are you finding that they're actually
[1:05:29] >> well
[1:05:29] >> going with it or there is there a lot of
[1:05:31] fight you know is you know
[1:05:34] >> well once once they're adopted then
[1:05:35] there's no
[1:05:36] >> there's just no choice
[1:05:38] but I
[1:05:39] >> well your your your national retailers
[1:05:42] national chain they do this all over the
[1:05:44] country so they're not surprised by it.
[1:05:46] They'll tell you oh this you don't ever
[1:05:48] seen this before.
[1:05:50] >> Okay.
[1:05:51] They've done thousands.
[1:05:54] >> They've seen it before and they've seen
[1:05:55] things much more restrictive,
[1:05:58] but you know, you'll probably you'll
[1:06:01] probably get some push back. People
[1:06:02] saying, you know, this is too much or
[1:06:05] whatever. They always say, well, you
[1:06:06] know, we're going to go down the road.
[1:06:10] If the market's here, this is where the
[1:06:12] traffic's at. This is where
[1:06:14] development's happening. So
[1:06:17] >> certainly when there
[1:06:19] people want to be there, they'll do what
[1:06:21] they need to to be there.
[1:06:23] >> Can you postpone any new applications or
[1:06:26] is there a time limit once they submit
[1:06:27] it?
[1:06:30] >> So be out.
[1:06:34] How do we address the
[1:06:39] » meaning that's up to you?
[1:06:41] uh
[1:06:45] knowledge.
[1:06:48] >> We'll bring those back to you when we
[1:06:50] get that far. Um th those will just be
[1:06:54] upgrades to existing software agreements
[1:06:57] that we have. to what we originally had
[1:07:01] and then discuss the difference in money
[1:07:04] for the
[1:07:08] » How much more time do y'all need to get
[1:07:10] these other little points settled other
[1:07:13] decisions? I think we can do this in
[1:07:15] September like he mentioned. I think we
[1:07:17] can get it done in that time frame.
[1:07:20] >> September
[1:07:21] >> with the me meetings and everything
[1:07:23] adopted.
[1:07:24] >> Then we'll be calling the public meeting
[1:07:27] >> through Yeah. through September.
[1:07:30] We can do it jointly if you want to push
[1:07:33] the time.
[1:07:33] >> I think that would be best. I I I like
[1:07:37] jointly.
[1:07:38] >> So by September the 22nd we can be done.
[1:07:42] >> I don't have a calendar but depending on
[1:07:44] timing for those public hearings.
[1:07:50] » If someone is present, if someone a
[1:07:55] group comes in and does a presentation
[1:07:57] discussion, does that start or does it
[1:08:00] with the escrow payment?
[1:08:03] >> An actual development application would
[1:08:05] probably start the clock, but
[1:08:07] >> okay. I wouldn't wouldn't start when
[1:08:09] they they came would come in [snorts]
[1:08:11] >> preliminary also just to just to be able
[1:08:15] to present to you.
[1:08:16] >> Okay.
[1:08:16] >> You tell them come back October 1st
[1:08:18] please. [laughter]
[1:08:23] » We have to because we can't meet until
[1:08:25] later in October.
[1:08:27] >> That's right. That's right. [laughter]
[1:08:30] » Vacation until then.
[1:08:34] >> Just so much happens so quickly. I know
[1:08:37] >> sooner it's in place, the more effective
[1:08:40] it's going to be for this for the city.
[1:08:48] » Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
[1:08:50] >> Thank you. Good [clears throat] to see
[1:08:51] you all.
[1:08:52] >> Right. Uh, next item on the agendas, the
[1:08:54] closing agenda, council inquiry.
[1:08:59] » Number seven, items to consider for
[1:09:00] placement on future agendas. You
[1:09:02] >> all got it on the agenda?
[1:09:11] I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn
[1:09:14] >> by Mr. Donaldson, second by Miss Fox.
[1:09:17] All those in favor of German say I. I.
[1:09:20] We will. Thank you.