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Today finally a nice day in the
mountains, huh? Nice morning. Cool

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today. Cool. It's about time.
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» No, you're right. That's a good point.
All right. Let me know when it's 9:02.

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Of course, we're all here, so we can get
started at 9:00.

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Okay.
How do I end up here?

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Let's see.

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Okay. Okay.

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Don't forget to put your mics on,
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» What?

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That one's That one's on. Look at him
turn them on

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» here. If I got one in my face, you get
one in your face.

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» I forgot to bring that.
>> It's 9:00.

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» 9:00. Okay. So, I think we'll get
started on time. We're all here. Um so,

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good morning everybody and welcome to
the Tad Country's monthly tree board

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meeting. And today is Tuesday, September
the 8th, um 2026. Welcome everybody.

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We're missing two members who uh let me
know they could not come. Uh

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Commissioner Blake and Ashley Manson not
able to attend. All right. So, uh can we

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just have a moment of silence, please?

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Okay. Thank you. All right. Everybody
have a chance to read the minutes? say

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pretty extensive. Um, Elizabeth, you did
the minutes, right?

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» Yes.
>> Are these done by AI and then you redo

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it? Is how it's done?
>> These were I just went down the agenda.

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Typically, we get an AI summary. This
particular AI summary didn't work out

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quite well.
>> Okay. Wow.

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» Whatever.
>> Well, thank you. It's a lot of work. I

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was the uh secretary of my synagogue and
it's a it's a it's a lot of work to uh

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put them down into a summary. So, thank
you. Anybody have any questions? The

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additions, deletions.

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» Okay. And then a motion to approve the
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» So move.
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» Second.
>> Okay. Any discussion?

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No discussion. All those in favor say I.
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» I. Opposed. Okay. Minutes from July 14th
uh are approved. Of course, we did not

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have an August meeting. Uh we did not
have a quorum. So we're September.

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Okay. uh old business. Um I'm going to
skip the number one, come back to that

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chestnut project. I've been told that
the property that we all looked at on

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Virginia between Virginia and Montre
assembly drive has been cleared and

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seated. I'm going to assume that was
done by our town Barry. I spoke with

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Beggy Peggy and she has now gotten back
to me if this is a good time of year now

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to go ahead and plant these chestnuts.
So maybe next I've called her having she

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could be away. She travels a lot. So
maybe um I'll get in touch with you and

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if she decides to get them done between
now and the next meeting, I'll let you

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guys know and you can come over and
watch her put them in the ground. And

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she's going to do the um the the area.
And I think there's a number of other

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spots around town that we asked that she
put some chestnut I guess they're called

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saplings. Uh and she said she would do
that. Am I correct? Yeah. So that's

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where that chestnut project is. It's
still moving forward that we haven't got

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it done yet. Okay. All right. So then
the hemlock project, of course, that's

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an ongoing project of the tree board. I
think uh Ashley's not coming, but she's

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got some program correct uh posted
somewhere in town about the hemlocks. Is

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that correct, Elizabeth?
>> Yeah, the uh Montre Presbyterian Church

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does a Wednesday speaker series and on
I have to look at the um anyway there's

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a poster up about it, right? I believe
it's November 18th. Um Ashley and uh

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George I mean Ashley and Joe Standard
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uh saving the hemlocks presented by Joe
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social uh minute and then four is the
program.

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» Okay. I'm sure we hear a lot more
between that. We'll have two board

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meetings before then. So we hear more
about that. Okay.

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All right. Um, I don't think we ever
really got a chance to talk about our

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tree board cottagers participation
because it happened after our July

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meeting and then of course we did not
have an August meeting. So I was there

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and I think most of us were there. It
really was very successful. We had a

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very nice presentation, a lot of
interest actually. We we hand out a lot

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of uh information
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would like to volunteer to become board
members which kind of brings me to the

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one point that George and um Tyler
you're much saying you have to but your

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terms expire on the 31st of January of
2027. It's still months away. If you

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want to renew just let me know. if you
don't let me know and then I'll get in

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touch with these gentlemen who are Joe
Griffith and Richard.

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» Point of order.
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» Uh my term as chair of land care expires
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Bill um
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» Tucker.
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it's only a name, folks.
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new appointee from Landare.
>> Oh, okay. Is that how it works? That

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Land Care position is automatically in
the tree board. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

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» Land care and commissioner are both
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what you're telling me.
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» No.
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» They're not appointed by the town
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» auto. That's one of their duties.
>> Okay. Learn something every day. Okay.

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Well,
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also expires in January of 27th.
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» Yep. I don't Okay.
>> What's on the website?

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» Let's verify because I had the 28th.
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out the
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I had Ash's at 13128
and yours is 13128 and Elizabeth yours

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was 13128. Mine's 13128.
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» anyway, we can check with
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check. That's not a problem.
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then, uh, and Tyler, you'll you'll think
about it. If you want to stay on, you'll

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let me know. We got months to go there.
But I think I will get in touch with

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these two gentlemen, Joe Griffith and
Richard. Is it Debbolt?

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Uh, who showed interest at the uh,
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showed interest when they came to and
wanted to see if they can get on the

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treeboard.
>> Oh, good. So yeah. Okay.

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» Ed, my replacement would be Bill Neely.
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» Oh, okay.
>> Okay, great.

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» All right. Is that 13127?
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» Yeah.
>> Okay. February 1st. Okay. For February

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meeting. Okay. Fine.
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all right. So, oh, uh, anybody wanted to
talk about it was I the first time I

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ever been to a cottagers meeting, I was
amazed how organized it was, how many

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people showed up, how informative it
was. It really was really a wonderful

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event. Anybody
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information. I think they really went
from table to table to table

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» picking up information. The more Yeah.
So, it was really terrific. Uh so one

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somebody can educate me that is a
cottagers meeting which means that's the

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town or is that how does that
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within Montre that's existed since pre
it predates the town existing it used to

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be mechanism by which
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valley but then the town started but the
cottagers still remain

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» and it was also anformational meeting
for the cottagers to find out what's

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going on in the valley and with with
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» I know we pay dues.
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» and it's minimal. Very minimal.
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happened is during after co it went to
one meeting instead of two. There used

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to be two. July was informational.
August was the business meeting when we

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elected officers. But now it's all in
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» What exactly and I say this humbly. What
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» Cottagers is basically the Montre
equivalent of a homeowners association.

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» Oh
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» Like a HOA
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information
>> they have any author they have any

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authority?
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» Do they have any authority? Like an HOA
has authority? No,

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» no authority.
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light, set up for
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» in town.
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um when the what is now called the Jane
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that was coming up for sale. So,
Cottagers actually raised a large sum of

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money in a very short amount of time to
buy that piece of property which is now

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almost transferred from Cottagers to
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some insurance things or something.
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they there's still so there was a
cottagers wilderness

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subcommittee. Um, Cottagers also acts as
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a nonprofit organization. So, Stone
Bridges, for example, their fundraising

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that's happening where people want to
donate to a taxexempt entity, it flows

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through Cottagers. I think the money it
gives it a way to to collect the money

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in the bucket.
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» um Cottagers organizes little things
around the valley. They have a they have

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a website. They send out a newsletter.
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to connect within the valley, but
somehow in my mind, it's it's a

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predating when the town existed and but
but that functions never it's always

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remained kind of outside of town,
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» itself.
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members to find out what's going on in
the town. And when cuz that's one of the

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reasons the meeting is so well filled is
that you have a lot of non-residents who

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are there who are seasonal
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» Do you have to be a property owner to be
a cottage?

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» A lot of them are property owners. Yeah.
You do not have you do not have to live

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full-time in Montre to be a member of
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property. You have to All you have to do
is pay $25.

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» Oh, okay.
>> And show an interest.

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» Okay. Interesting.
>> So you don't even buff have to be

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Scottish to be a member of the Scottish
society. So yeah.

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» Okay. Well, it was well attended. We
like I said, we handed out a lot of

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information on tree board. We definitely
had a presence there. So thank you.

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» So it's an excellent
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work into
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getting new
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» um information boards and stuff. So
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» I did a new information board. You had
you guys had flyers. It was a team team

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effort.
>> Good. Okay.

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» Team effort.
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Wild
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» the the grant. I guess Ashley's not
going to be able to speak to that today.

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I guess that money is still being held
waiting for us to finalize the Flat

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Creek project. Is that what we decided
that we're going to let them put the

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money into that project? I think that's
how it up.

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» Yes. The money was
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Federation. I guess that's where it came
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» Okay.
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the Flat Creek Crossing project, which
is still proceeding on this side of the

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creek. However, the large $600,000
grant, I think, is in a state of flux

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right now.
Um, and so, um,

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» and so I we do need to follow up with
Swan Wild and the folks that are running

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that Flat Creek crossing to see how we
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» right,
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could still be possible, I guess, in the
land that's that's in the with the work

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that's being done. But I'll let George.
>> Yeah, George, you have some comment you

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want to make.
>> Well, the $600,000 grant is dead. Um the

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uh tree planting will probably begin to
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late October
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around here to plant trees. Um I think
the money has actually been delivered

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and is in our account, but I not 100%
sure of that. I know we're counting on

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it. The
>> $10,000. Yeah, we've received it.

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» I think so.
>> Okay, we'll find out. Okay.

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» Smart.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure that if

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we haven't received it that we don't
lose it since the other project seems to

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be delayed somewhat, but we could use it
somewhere around the town. And we did

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the trail open this fall.
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Very nice. Okay. All right. That's a
That's a pretty good update. Okay, good.

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Um, all right. So,
let's now get into more of the um

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» Okay, wait a minute. So, that was
>> the online Mont tree management guide.

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Okay. Um,
and I don't know if that goes along with

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the procedure or not. What do you think,
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» Yeah. So
kind of starting from the the back end

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of things or this the finer side of
things, we are supposed to operate like

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all public appointed boards in North
Carolina or the United States under

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rules of procedure. Those rules
procedure are how we we work. And then

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there's the the ordinance
which is part of the town regulations.

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It's the law about what people can and
cannot do. And then what's in the

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ordinance determines the content of the
tree management guide. And so kind of

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starting from the lowest point like
let's be sure we know how we're

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operating the rules and then we can take
on the ordinance and then we can take on

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the tree management guide. So starting
with the rules of procedure, we had a

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very I gave out a few copies. It's all
in black and white. That's what we

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currently are supposed to operate under.
Okay. This is based on this cute little

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green book which came from the North
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» When was this published?
>> This book was published I don't know.

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It's a nice 1998.
>> Oh, okay.

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» This book is now has now been taken out
of print. It has been superseded

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by this prettier book that's not that
same color. Anyway,

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so I got a copy of this from the school
of government and this is the suggested

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procedural rules for local appointed
boards were appointed. So luckily when

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you buy a copy of this, you get and it's
it's long because it has like that much

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of this page is footnotes about why this
rule is phrased the way it is. So my

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proposal is that when you get this, you
get an electronic copy of this book or

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of the meaty part of the book. So, I
downloaded a copy and this one that has

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red outlining,
I basically tried to edit this new book

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to work for our tree board because
there's some optional stuff in it. Yeah.

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And so, I propose that we just use what
the North Carolina School of Government

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proposes for rules of procedure with
edits to account for us as our rules of

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procedure
because we note that this was published

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in

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2020.
>> So the book, the new book, the 2020 book

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doesn't really talk about treeboard
specifically. No, this

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» talks about boards in general. And then
we adopt it to fit our ordinance of

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treeboard and then further the procedure
of the tree board.

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» Yeah.
>> To fit the ordinance of the Montre.

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Okay, I got it.
>> Yeah. So this this is just any kind of

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board. It could be a board about nursing
or healthcare or whatever. So,

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» and
basically that's what we did with the

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very first rules of procedure that we're
changing and these have been updated

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thank goodness because I mean a lot of
things weren't addressed when we

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organized. One of them was coming you
know attending a meeting online

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electronic
>> attendance and this sort of thing.

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» I think you if you have read through
them you will realize we don't follow

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every single rule. I don't think any
board in Montre truly does, but they are

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there for those times when
there may be a group that says the sky

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is blue and trees should be orange
>> and then the tree board can say I'm

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sorry, you know, and this is that's that
lets us know how to how to really act

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and keep keep our faces clean,
>> right?

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» Yeah. So that we don't get
>> right

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» slammed. It was explained to me that
when the rules of procedure were I guess

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the ones from 2016 Yeah. 18 there was
some little turmoil in this town at that

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time and everything got overdone. Is
that correct?

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» Well, I don't think it was overdone. I
personally I think it it's a protection.

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» Okay. It's a protection for any of the
boards in Montre and I think about every

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board pretty much fle moves it around a
little bit to take care of how their

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business needs to be dealt with.
>> Right. Right. Okay.

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» So, I'm sorry Mason isn't here to to
address that. I just know that's how we

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approached it initially
because of the of the turmoil. Yeah. So,

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Elizabeth, what we have in front of us,
we have the rules of procedure from 206

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amended in 2018.
>> Yeah. I wasn't sure how to do the

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header. So, I just kind of I probably
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» what you did.
>> Yeah.

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» But then
>> because cuz basically it's it's such a

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total thing. It's not really amended,
it's totally revised. So, whenever we

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adopt it, it'll get a revision date.
>> Yeah. So,

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» and that's um that's what Angie told me
to do when we did the revision.

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» Okay. Okay. So, so we have the one that
has the red on it and the one that has

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just the black and white.
>> What are the difference between these

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two documents?
>> Black and white is is the original. This

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this is 2018. This is the 2018 version.
>> I got it.

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» It was the should be the 2019 version.
>> It It's not on. There's no 2019. Oh, the

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the tree guide is 2019. This is 20 The
rules were 2018. 2018, I'm sorry.

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» All right. So the black and white only
that's your original and then with the

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red
>> your proposed changes

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» technically technically this black and
white one is what we operate under right

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now because we've never changed it.
>> So this is

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» never totally followed. We never totally
followed it either, but that's So then

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this the one with the red is what I'm
proposing because it's based on

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» this new book which supposedly takes
into account changes in law which I

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would never track down to find out what
they were.

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» Okay. Got it. And now
>> and I think I

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» Okay. So
>> I I once again I will thank Elizabeth

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for going
>> Oh, tremendous. Yeah, we sat

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» government to get all of that. Yeah,
>> we sat a little bit at your kitchen

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table and I remember we did some of this
but I

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» Well, yeah, if we sat and tried to edit
this

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» because I didn't know at the time that
>> that these rules had been have become

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obsolete. So anyway,
>> probably the important thing in this the

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the colorized one, the new ones that
proposed

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» one is under Yeah, there's a couple of
things in rule under rule nine.

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» It basically
>> says I think it's rule nine.

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» Oh, it rule eight. Sorry, rule eight.
Basically, it doesn't set a date and

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time for our meetings or frequency. It
basically says that in January when we

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organize, we will set a calendar for the
rest of the year and then it gets

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published with the town and wherever.
Okay.

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» And so I like that better because for
example right now our rules say we meet

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on a I don't know a Thursday or
something and the fourth the fourth

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Tuesday and we meet on the second
Tuesday and we were supposed to be

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meeting at whatever time and we don't
you know we changed it.

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» So this means that we don't have to
change these rules. If

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» supposing next year there's two people
who don't work and three people who work

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and they decide they want to meet at
7:00 on a Sunday night. That's fine. We

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don't have to change the rules.
>> Right. Because you've kept it general.

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» Yeah. Because it's general. It just says
it will be established and it will be

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published.
>> Understand.

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» Which I like better.
>> Right. Right. Do these have to be

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adopted by the town commissioners?
>> No. If you look at the very either at

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the very end of either the old one or
the new one. It says amendments. The

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rules may be amended at any regular
meeting.

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» It matters what's in the current one
because that's what it lets us do it. It

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says that we can we can amend it as as a
board as long as it's a generally

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consistent with town charter general law
principles or whatever.

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» So twothirds of the board has to approve
it. So under our current rules,

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twothirds of the board
>> can approve to change it. And that's

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what I'll double check that that's what
it says. Yeah. Well, actually now the

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new law, the new version just says a
majority of the boards.

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» What number are you on? number 34. So
look at the very end.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> So the new one changes it to a majority

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instead of twothirds. I given that we're
a small board,

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» right?
>> The difference in a majority and two/3

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is
>> probably one.

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» Does it even exist?
>> Right. Exactly.

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» Well,
>> majority is is

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» majority would be a half. You need three
out of five.

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» Yeah.
>> Votes for a majority. And you'd need

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three out of five for
>> You would need four. You would need

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four. Four.
>> Yeah. Four because two three out of five

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is 60.
>> Okay.

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» And you said 2/3 is 67.
>> Yeah. So this just says majority, you

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know, it's
>> it can just be a simple majority. I

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think a simple majority because this is
>> 2/3 is a little different. So

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» yeah.
>> So it that reduces down a little bit.

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» So that would but no, we have the
authority to do it if we'd like

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just going with some edited version of
the new one.

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If someone else could at least read
through them and then I will I can pass

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these by either Angie or Savannah. I
think it would be Savannah and just say

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Savannah, we want to change our rules of
procedure. Here's our redlinined version

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of, you know, here's how we got to these
new ones. Do you have any issues? And

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meanwhile, since and then be sure that
Mason's aware of it and that Mason's

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read through it since he's both our
council rep and a lawyer, right?

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» So, he would read it with two different
eyes. So, if the two of them are okay,

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then I would say at the next meeting,
>> we just go with something like this. I

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don't know that any of y'all have really
read through this redline version. So,

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» that would also be a task for y'all to
>> Do you have any issues with what's Yeah.

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» Um
>> in this new version? No, I I'm I'll look

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through it. I thought I was going to
have a chance to.

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» So, we'll put this on the agenda for the
um October meeting for final approval.

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Is that
>> Yeah, for approval

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» and maybe send any questions to you
beforehand so you can prepare.

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» Uh is there anything in this new version
that we should be doing that we aren't

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doing? Because I mean it's, you know,
we're pretty loose here.

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» Secretary,
>> you're supposed to have a secretary.

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Well, it it actually in here it says
that you have to elect a chair and a

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vice chair. It doesn't say that you have
to elect a secretary, but you need a

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secretary. So, if you we want, we can
add that at the first meeting, we'll

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also elect a secretary.
>> There are probably a few things we

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probably could really learn from this
that we should be doing that we're not

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other than some of the real particular
legal ease things.

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» The make us a better board.
>> Yeah. The only thing that I know is that

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in for small boards the this book
recommends that you do not require

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seconds on motions because effectively
if one person makes a motion that's

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already 20% of the board who supports
that particular idea that's one out of

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five
>> and that actually has been that you'll

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find that also in the other book that's
pretty much we do not need to have a

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second. Elizabeth, could I ask you to
maybe

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take out of this document maybe half a
dozen things that we should really be

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doing as a tree board that we're not
doing? I mean,

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» one I guess as chair, vice chair second.
I didn't know you didn't have to second.

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I mean, maybe other than just we adopted
maybe there are some things that really

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could help us operate better.
>> I I will look I think

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» or anybody can go through it, not just
Elizabeth. And maybe there's a number of

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things here we could adopt. be aware of
more than there's 35 rules here and

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maybe there's a couple we need to start
paying attention to that we don't I

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don't know
>> I think we we generally operate pretty

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informally as a board in terms of
>> the chair doesn't have to recognize

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every speaker the the discussion can be
a little looser I think we're a friendly

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group and so I like the way we operate
personally

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» yeah administratively we're Okay. Other
than the chair, vice chair, no seconds.

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The secretary sounds like it's more of a
volunteer appointed position.

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» These originally were were assisted by
the um it was then this um town

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administrator
>> who was who was helping with the

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interpretation of the state law. Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» So that the original ones were were not
just done because we just sat here and

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found them online. Right. It was we we
had town help

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the official.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. We'll read I'll read through

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it. Any suggestions? Senator Elizabeth,
you'll come then. We'll

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» do y'all wanted me to change it so that
we elect a chair, a vice chair, and a

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secretary because it's easy just to put
in there that you elect comma comma

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comma.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. I'll add secretary.
>> I I I think it's important that we have

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one. That's just me personally speaking.
>> I would prefer having a secretary who's

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assigned that.
>> I would find it difficult to take care

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take care of also doing the minutes,
>> right?

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» Yeah. You you can work with the
secretary to get it

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» to make sure everything's included.
>> Yeah.

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» But a second eye on it is always a good
thing.

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» Does it talk about how many members
should be on a tree board or is that

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arbitrary?
>> That is in the town ordinance.

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» Oh, it is. Okay.
>> Yeah. The number of members. So this is

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how we the the ordinance really
structures our authority and how we're

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set up and what we're supposed to do.
>> Yeah.

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» So the land care that is a set position,
correct?

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» Oh yeah, it's a se separate
>> se but that's an automatic position

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right
>> ordinance chair of landare

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» automatically sits on tree board.
>> Voting or non- voting? I forget.

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» Voting voting. The chair of landare is a
voting.

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» What about the town commissioner seat?
voting member

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» voting member and it's in the or whoever
the whoever the commissioner is for the

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environment is the rep town board
representative to the tree board

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» so basically there's five open seats
>> there are five appointed there are three

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open seats
>> there's five appointed seats

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» five one two three four and nally would
be five George position doesn't count

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and yeah and u sorry my number
>> do we feel five yeah we added Open C.

419
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,039
» That's an ordinance. That's an
ordinance.

420
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:11,760
» We were just That's an ordinance.
>> Okay. Got you.

421
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:18,240
» So, it used to be that the tree board
was three and then when Ashley and I

422
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,200
came on when you started, you asked for
more.

423
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,039
» That's right.
>> And the council approved two additional.

424
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,159
So, now we're five.
>> Couldn't do with three.

425
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,279
Okay. All right.
>> Personally, I think any bigger at this

426
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:31,760
stage in the game.
>> As long as people show up, we're good.

427
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,080
» Yeah. Oh,
>> does it talk about missed meetings from

428
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:40,159
at large members?
>> I mean, I haven't read through and I

429
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:44,240
will somebody misses some if an atlarge
person misses more than so many meetings

430
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,480
whether excused or unexcused that they
should drop off. Does it mention that at

431
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,640
all?
>> No, that would not be a I don't know if

432
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,120
I don't know where that kind of
information would go. And

433
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,919
» I know that there are some organizations
that that will say and I can't remember

434
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,480
if town council is one of them or not to
be honest.

435
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,919
» Well, I'm talking about the board, the
tree board or the board of adjustment

436
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,720
that I also sit on. Yeah.
>> That if somebody doesn't show up and

437
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,440
doesn't tell us they're not coming, they
just don't show. That's a problem for

438
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,399
quorum purposes and voting purposes.
>> Yeah.

439
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:19,520
» So,
>> you the your board of adjustments has a

440
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,399
similar rules of procedure that you
operate under. We're lucky because we

441
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,480
have an attorney that shows up.
>> Yeah.

442
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,480
» No, but you still have something like
this that says what kind of motions and

443
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:32,640
all you can and cannot do. And that
board probably needs to operate more

444
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,960
closely to what is currently.
>> I'm going to check it out because I'm

445
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:40,320
the chair. Okay.
>> That because that's a more contentious.

446
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:42,320
» There's more what? Quasi. Yeah.
>> Legislative judicial. I don't know the

447
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,399
right word.
>> That's the right word.

448
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:51,360
» You you you do more than we do. Yeah. In
that sense. Well, how do people feel

449
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:56,240
about attendance at these meetings in
terms of you're an atlarge person?

450
00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:01,039
» I think if you're an atlarge person,
since we will have something in here

451
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:03,200
where you can participate
online.

452
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:08,240
» Yeah. Which count
>> that there's no excuse.

453
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:13,360
» You know that unless you're,
>> you know, an excuse except except for my

454
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:16,159
excuse this past year with Ron being so
sick,

455
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:22,080
» right? and or if you're physically sick
and you cannot participate. But I think

456
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:27,760
um just every week whether somebody in
every month of oh well I just forgot you

457
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,640
know I think uh-uh that's
>> part of your responsibility is to be

458
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,799
here.
>> Yeah

459
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:38,080
» or well I had something more important
to do. No, your responsibility is to be

460
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,200
here which is why you accepted the the
appointment. So I hear what I think what

461
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:44,799
I hear you saying is if that happens
it's up to the chair to maybe speak to

462
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,960
that member and say maybe this isn't for
you and leave it like that.

463
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,320
» Yeah. Exactly.
>> All right. Fine.

464
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:54,640
» Okay. And here down at on the very first
page where it has rule number three

465
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:59,120
electronic board members. It's kind of
the one of the new things like an

466
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,200
» this was a choice that you could make.
>> Yeah.

467
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,880
» Um because you can see where I read
lined out the bracketed described

468
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:10,559
circumstances where you may attend and
whatever. And I just wrote that a person

469
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:14,799
who's not physically present may
participate by electronic means and will

470
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,840
count as present for quorum and may vote
on motions.

471
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,679
» We don't have we can change that. We can
say that they will not count as present

472
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:26,320
and they may not vote or
>> whatever. But given the modern way

473
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:32,399
electronic meetings work, I see no
problem with people voting on from

474
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:38,000
» what does from Zoom deal?
>> Not worry about it. Oh, no. I I Yeah,

475
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,440
you got
>> Does it talk at all? I mean, I haven't

476
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:46,000
read through it and I will, I promise
you, but does it talk about um

477
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:50,640
» public input?
>> Yes, there are public comment periods

478
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:55,360
and there's a thing about whether we can
take suggestions from the public on

479
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:59,039
changing our agenda and then we do or do
not have to accept those. And

480
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,720
» okay,
>> you know, if we have a special meeting,

481
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,760
we can set how long
>> we can say everybody gets one minute to

482
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,879
talk or five minutes to talk.
>> Okay. It's all in this document. We'll

483
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,200
be through it. Okay.
>> It kind Yeah. So, why don't we read

484
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,359
through it and then y'all send me ideas
or questions or thoughts and we just I

485
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,359
think you need to look through it.
>> Yeah.

486
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,240
» And then we can decide. But
>> I think there's some things which we

487
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:27,119
could discuss
>> and then I'll I'm going to leave this

488
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,399
book with the town. And so if somebody
wants to like know the why's and

489
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,079
wherefors and
>> how much we deleted out it's in here.

490
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:41,359
» Thank you.
>> Um the bracketed information in this red

491
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:45,679
document is where they offer suggestions
or you know you like these rule apply to

492
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:50,240
the meetings of bracket name of city
county you know. So it's it's where you

493
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,320
can edit you know they're saying you
need to change this.

494
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,240
» So
>> do we need to take a look at the

495
00:34:53,599 --> 00:35:01,839
ordinance or not? Is that our job or
>> I Yes, we I think for the ordinance I

496
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,599
think we should
technically I guess the planning and

497
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,400
zoning commission is the people who
rewrite ordinances. But since the tree

498
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:13,359
ordinance applies to our board, I would
say that we should go through it,

499
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,640
» offer suggestions,
>> offer suggestions on what could be

500
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:20,079
changed or be improved
>> through that. Yeah.

501
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,560
» And then it's got a whole process
because ordinances have to be approved

502
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,359
by town council. And so that's
>> okay.

503
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:28,400
» That is not as lowhanging fruit as I
thought this was.

504
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,599
» Yeah.
>> And that's online, I think, isn't it?

505
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,359
Treeboard ordinance.
>> The ordinance is all town ordinances are

506
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,400
on the town site.
>> All right. I'll put

507
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,640
» um the rules of procedure for planning
and zoning are on the town site.

508
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,640
» If you if you want or for board of
adjustments,

509
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,359
» um our should be on, but they're not.
>> Oh, okay.

510
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,680
» I don't think or they weren't as easily
findable.

511
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,240
» Okay. Um, so anyway, read through it,
see what you think, and just

512
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,119
» thank you so much.
>> Continue to the next meeting.

513
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,280
» Thank you so much for all the hard work.
I know how much work went into it. So,

514
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:08,400
thank you.
>> Um, on the tree management guide, now

515
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,440
that's also online. Am I correct? On the
uh Okay.

516
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,079
» Yes.
>> And that's maybe that's a whole another

517
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:18,000
project.
>> Yes. Because the the contents of the

518
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:21,680
tree management guide are determined by
what's in the ordinance.

519
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,480
» Okay. And so I would say we should look
at the ordinance first and then decide

520
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:31,280
what goes in our tree management guide.
In general, let me just finish this one

521
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,359
thought in
>> I think that there's the I'm not going

522
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,280
to have the right name. The National
Association of Arborists, the urban the

523
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:44,400
North Carolina urban planting
commission. I think they have detailed

524
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:48,640
procedures about how and when to do
plantings in different environments and

525
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:54,640
how to care for trees. And I don't think
we need to download all that and make it

526
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:59,680
into our own guide that we just refer to
people like that that that we recommend

527
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:06,320
the town follow these type of guidances
so that then when they change over time

528
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:10,960
we are always updated. So I I would
simplify what's in our tree management

529
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,560
guide a little bit more than what's
there now. But and I know you worked on

530
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,960
the first one.
>> Yeah. Um, and I think a lot has changed

531
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:25,839
over the years, and I think anything
that gets changed in the management

532
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:31,920
guide, we definitely should run by our
public works people. Okay.

533
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:35,200
» And then by uh Mason and and Savannah.
>> Yeah.

534
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:41,359
» And to make sure everything's copacetic.
But basically in a tree management

535
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:47,040
guide, the board who is creating the
guide,

536
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:50,720
it there's no set rule for what goes in.
>> I understand.

537
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:55,280
» Yeah. Um, so it was like it it's like,
okay, well, here's ideas for all sorts

538
00:37:52,800 --> 00:38:00,240
of things from Arbor Day and from all
sorts of people, but you have to do it

539
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:07,920
for your community. Mhm.
>> And what we did was use

540
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:11,520
um was take a look at the guide for Lake
Lure

541
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,280
» that they did and said, "Oh, okay. Well,
that's a good thing." No, we don't need

542
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:20,640
to do that. But there were some good
just basic things in it

543
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,359
» that um helped us and that's why I think
it's important people know the

544
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,200
ordinance.
>> It's important that they know the board

545
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:34,480
should definitely know the rules of
procedure, right? Um, but there are

546
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:38,640
people who need guidance as to what you
can put in here. We've got help. A tree

547
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:45,200
has fallen. What do I do?
>> You know, which we should have the flood

548
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:51,280
thing in there too after Helen.
People don't pick it up. You can't cure

549
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:54,880
stupid. And it's, you know, it's like,
okay, but it's here. So, we, you say,

550
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880
here it is.
>> Right. Right. You point to it. You have

551
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:03,280
a responsibility as the citizen to know
this or to know who to call. Anyway,

552
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,760
» there's When's the last time that was
put together? The tree management guide,

553
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,640
» pardon me.
>> When was the last time that was actually

554
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:15,440
put together? The tree management guide.
>> The last time it was it was updated in

555
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,880
2019.
>> Okay. And I think that was one of the

556
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:28,480
things that we chose to include in it
were the results of um

557
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:33,440
inventory that we were doing. It was
when

558
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:37,680
to be able to determine what trees what
condition are the trees in.

559
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:45,040
» A lot of them needed to come down, which
I think we've been doing. And uh that

560
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:51,040
really helped the town uh public works
people. Um

561
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,599
and so that kind of that kind of thing.
Yeah.

562
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:57,920
» Yeah. It sounds like a fun project
actually as I listen to it the tree

563
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,359
management guy to get into it really go
through it. We make it specific to

564
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:04,480
Montre then we have to run it by like
you said the commissioners and the

565
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:08,079
public works. But we can come up with
the ideas and they can say yeah no

566
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,160
» yes or no. But it sounds like a really
fun to take charge.

567
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,440
» Well, I would point on that.
>> No, but I mean I I think as a board

568
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,920
that'd be a really a fun project for us
to get into other than, you know, rules

569
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,720
and procedure.
>> I know a lot of people prefer to go

570
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:27,200
online for all their information, but I
am one of those people. I have trouble

571
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:32,240
reading online all the time. It really
bothers my eyes. Okay. So I think it's

572
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:38,480
important that we have some sort of
vehicle for people who need to have it

573
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:42,560
or prefer to have it a hard copy can
obtain one.

574
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,920
» Yeah. Okay. I'm going to I have interest
in that.

575
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,400
» Yeah.
>> Kind of

576
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:52,160
» and allies
if you want to I mean the tree ordinance

577
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,440
is an appendix in the tree management
guide right now.

578
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:00,800
» Yeah. If if somebody wants to start
working on the other chapters of the

579
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:04,400
tree management guide, go for it. I just
>> Andrew, you were part of the original,

580
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:06,480
weren't you part of the 2019 effort?
>> Yeah.

581
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,359
» Okay. Okay.
>> I was part of the 18 and 19 effort.

582
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Yeah.
>> Okay. Because

583
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:16,960
» I think we've got some good stuff in it.
I think it's interesting the history of

584
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,680
» Yeah. I think of the trees and why in
Montre do we want to take care of them

585
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,640
and
>> right,

586
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:26,079
» you know.
>> Yeah. I I you know, one of my goals or

587
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,920
what I'd like to see us do is get a
little more public, the tree board to

588
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:33,599
get more public with our residents,
>> you know, and uh I don't know if the

589
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:38,000
tree management guy would be a vehicle
to do that or have a public hearing

590
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,640
about it or something like that.
>> Um um

591
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,520
» I just see it as a real vehicle to be
more public with what the tree board

592
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:48,000
does.
>> Yeah.

593
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:50,079
because we do a lot of good things and
um

594
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:53,119
» and I yeah
>> and I think people are interested you

595
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:57,440
know
>> it's yeah I would have to look I have

596
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,560
thought about it from that point of view
>> but I think yeah but the rules of

597
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,720
procedure they are what they are but the
management guide is interesting stuff

598
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,800
» well and I think it's it's a good guide
for people to say well why did you guys

599
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:13,280
do that you know it's like well what if
I disagree with the town that tells me I

600
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,640
need to have that tree cut down that's
on my property, right?

601
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:21,200
» Well, there covers in here in the
ordinance and in the

602
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:26,319
» you know, we do have there's somewhere
out there a little bit of judicatory

603
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:31,040
action that needs to be taken. Okay?
>> It's never been challenged, but most

604
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:36,880
people when said, you know, well, that's
d that tree branch could fall, you know,

605
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:41,440
out in the line of traffic, block the
road off, etc., etc., and so, you know,

606
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:46,319
you really should take it down. A lot of
people have never argued that point. So,

607
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,119
» okay.
>> As I understand, unless something has

608
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,680
happened since,
>> right?

609
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:56,319
» Okay.
>> All right. Um, between now the next

610
00:42:53,839 --> 00:43:00,240
meeting, I will um I'm going to look to
the management guy, maybe get some

611
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,800
printed copies of it
>> for the board something pages long.

612
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,880
» How many?
>> 100 like Yeah, that's amazing. It's a

613
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,839
100 pages long. Well, that it's got a
dgenda and it's got maps in it from when

614
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,440
we did the uh
>> wow

615
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:21,359
» the in you know the inventories and
stuff. So I think that's

616
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:25,280
that could be a link that could be put
to it said well you want to see what was

617
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:31,280
done in this year
>> and uh you know so you can do that.

618
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:35,359
» Okay.
All right.

619
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Any other any other new business old
business that I didn't list that

620
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:46,319
somebody wants to talk about?
Okay. All right. New business. Um, let's

621
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:50,880
skip down just a couple things. George,
why don't you just uh give us a little

622
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:54,400
landare update if there is one? Land
care. Any thing that we need to know as

623
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,760
a tree board?
>> Not that I'm aware of. Okay. I know um

624
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:07,359
» fall is a quiet time of year.
>> Fish studies are ongoing. Uh the

625
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:13,359
the new um between the bridges is
ongoing. The bridge project is ongoing.

626
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,880
Um
the trail project is ongoing.

627
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,920
Everything's moving.
>> Beautiful. Okay, great.

628
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,480
» Um I have a question because I saw it on
Facebook last night because I was

629
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:32,480
perusing Facebook. Swanoa Valley Wild
with with North Carolina Wildlife

630
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:38,800
Federation on Friday, September 18th is
doing a biiob blitz along Flat Creek and

631
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:44,880
Montre from 1:30 to 4. Work together to
identify plants, amphibians, reptiles,

632
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,880
etc., etc. Is Lancare involved in that
one? It's

633
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:51,599
» first I've heard of it.
>> It says this effort is part of the Flat

634
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:55,839
Creek 2040 project. So, I guess Bill
Seamans helped arrange for this.

635
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,839
understanding, engaging with Flat Creek,
its watershed researchers, community

636
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:04,720
members, officials, and educators
register here with and it's registering

637
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:09,280
with North Carolina wildlife.
>> Chris, he's part of an ongoing group

638
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:14,480
that's been happening for years. So,
>> yeah. So, I guess wildlife, it might be

639
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:18,480
something that I signed up so I can give
you some feedback, but I don't know.

640
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:23,839
They're identifying plants, amphibians,
reptiles, mammals, birds, and all things

641
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:29,520
wild. So then I think it would be a good
way to work with them to put in about

642
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,960
are you in a flood plane because we know
that somebody tried to take care of the

643
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:39,760
flood issue on Flat Creek without
getting the legal input and they were

644
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:45,200
definitely in violation of the federal
law.

645
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:52,240
Yeah. So I think um you know I think if
there's some way we can have a presence

646
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:57,200
there or also work on the 17th the MA
wilderness day

647
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:02,240
apparently we people need to know.
>> I don't know anything about that either

648
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:07,760
except seeing it here. So, George, I
just I did a screenshot of the this

649
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:12,400
Swanoa Valley Wild Bioblitz and I just
texted you this screenshot. So, if you

650
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:16,720
want to send if somebody on Land Care's
interested in or wants to know about it,

651
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,319
they can go figure out how to sign up
probably

652
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,359
» or I can try to send a better link if
somebody really wants to sign up. But

653
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:28,079
anyway, it looked interesting. I signed
up because maybe if they're identifying

654
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:34,880
trees and tree health, then that would
>> tie back to this inventory that somehow

655
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:39,960
got done in 200 something something. We
were able to do it with grants from

656
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:48,560
North Carolina tree North Carolina
forestry service and uh interns led the

657
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:54,000
» Yeah.
>> led it. We had a lot of volunteer help.

658
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,560
» Yeah. They it's it's in that tree guide.
It was it's an inventory of I don't know

659
00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:03,520
hundreds of trees along Flat Creek with
their diameter and species and

660
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:09,520
» scientific name assembly drive because
it had to be in the public rights. Yeah.

661
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,839
And Flat Creek is not in
>> Okay.

662
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:15,200
» public rights rights away.
>> Oh, it's not?

663
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,720
» Yeah. I think it's
>> green space.

664
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:22,880
» It's a federal issue. Yeah.
>> Oh. Hm.

665
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:27,599
» Cuz it's it's definitely a it's
definitely a flood plane around Flip

666
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,599
Flat Creek declared by the
>> Yeah.

667
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:38,400
» So, getting back to the the 18th. Yeah.
>> Blitz on September 18th. I don't know.

668
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:42,240
I'll I I signed up. I don't know how to
identify a lot of stuff, but

669
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:45,520
» I got I naturalist. I can take photos.
>> There you go.

670
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:51,119
» There you go. I don't know. I know a red
bud. I you know I don't know what I

671
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,119
don't know what we're doing anyway. I'm
labor.

672
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,640
» I'll take notes.
>> But you look intelligent. So that's the

673
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:02,079
important. There we go.
>> So we talked somebody we just mentioned

674
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:05,119
the MRA Wilderness Day October 17th. So
that's something we probably need to be

675
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:12,560
aware of and part of maybe.
>> Yeah. So with the um I'm like I'm I'm

676
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:19,760
channeling my inner George and Ann and
everybody in this room. the manager of

677
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:22,960
the Montre store. Um anyway, she and and
the assistant that runs the good

678
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:28,319
steward, I had talked to them once
before. They're re MRA is redoing their

679
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:34,559
fall wilderness day, which was a day
that MRA talked about, you know, it's

680
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:40,160
like their stewardship of their 2500
acres or maybe now with Jane Hold even

681
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,680
more of all their wilderness that they
help, you know, supervise which is in

682
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,200
the valley. So anyway, they do this
wilderness day and I just said, "Hey,

683
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:51,359
can the treeboard come do something at
the same event, right?"

684
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:54,640
» And so I can continue to coordinate with
them and take some flyers and our little

685
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,960
poster,
>> but you know, it is come MRA is the

686
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,359
sponsor and it's for the things they do.
I'm sure Jason will be there. So our

687
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:05,599
treasure tree walk and so it's it's just
a time that they're doing a community

688
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:09,040
event.
>> It's a community event.

689
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:13,119
» Yeah, MRA. It's a public event and I'm
sure they're promoting the things they

690
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,079
sell in their stores and and maybe the
trail maintenance.

691
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:18,400
» Is Tanner in charge of that? What do you
know?

692
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,720
» Probably Tanner's probably somehow
overseeing the whole wilderness day.

693
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:24,880
» Yeah.
>> But the stores are participating and I

694
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:30,319
just asked if we could be there and they
said yes. It's a time when the community

695
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,680
is invited to come to something.
>> Yes.

696
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:37,599
» Kind of like the coners.
>> I think if the tree board says, "Hey,

697
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:42,160
everybody come to X to see us." We're
not going to get a lot of participation.

698
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,359
If MRA says come to this part of it,
then we're part of it. We'll get our

699
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520
word out.
>> What day of the week is the 17th?

700
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,720
» It's a Saturday.
>> Do you know the hours or

701
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,880
» I know nothing about it except it's last
time I think it was in the afternoon. Do

702
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,680
y'all remember? They did one last year.
>> Okay. Well, we should be part of it. I

703
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:02,480
mean,
>> so it may just be static information. We

704
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:06,160
have a meeting before then on the 13th,
but we should

705
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,000
do I have to call someone or one of us
have to let them know we'd like to be

706
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,800
part of it.
>> Yeah, they already they reached out and

707
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:15,359
asked me if I wanted to and I said
tenatively yes. So I'll I'll go back to

708
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:20,559
them and I'll add to it and then anybody
else interested

709
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,119
» any questions about that? That's
>> so it's a much

710
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,200
» I don't know if Lankier will I mean yeah
I

711
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,319
» unfortunately my alternative lifestyle
has me out of town both those dates

712
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:32,319
that'll
>> right so

713
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:36,480
» okay
>> okay well that sounds like a fun

714
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,640
» and we'll see we have to come up with
some materials is it you have like a

715
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:44,559
booth a table is that the idea
>> I'm going to talk to them I was thinking

716
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:48,960
we could have a table and we would rerun
exactly what we did for the cottagers

717
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,240
with the flyers and Well, it's
>> board and a place to sign up if you want

718
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,760
to come help us.
>> Yeah. And a place to donate

719
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,240
» the flood plane information really was
picked up a lot at the cottagers

720
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,559
meeting.
>> Okay. All right.

721
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,000
» Which surprised me.
>> Okay.

722
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:05,599
» Yeah.
>> All right. You'll get the information to

723
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:13,520
me. I'll get it off to the board and
we'll um we'll be part of it

724
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:18,800
» for sure. Okay. Great. Okay. Um,
so the the the top two, the post office

725
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:23,359
project and the fall project. Um, you
know, I don't know if it's too much for

726
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:29,040
this board. Uh, but I was thinking we
should do something in the community as

727
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:34,720
a tree board project separate from just
being part of someone else's project.

728
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:39,160
I'm open to ideas. I mean,
um, we don't have to

729
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:46,240
» what that project is. I don't know, but
I think we we should do something as a

730
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:51,920
tree board as a separate project for the
benefit of the Montre residents.

731
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,599
» If if the chestnut planting actually
happens. Yes.

732
00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:00,160
» I think last the last time there was a
chestnut planting. It was like a little

733
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:05,520
event kind of thing. I don't know. We
could you could either

734
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:10,079
» try to invite people to the planting or
>> you could somehow do something like in

735
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:13,920
the open comments for the town council
meeting because those get video

736
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:18,960
broadcast. Yeah. You know the the the
either the 5:30 session and like the

737
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,160
stone bridges people had some
information. I I think people actually

738
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,960
listen in
>> remotely andor they listen after the

739
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,280
fact
>> to those council meetings. So that might

740
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:34,160
be we could plug up our chestnut
planting as an example and

741
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,119
» some lemonade cookies and come see the
chestnut trees. I don't know

742
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:41,280
» what I'll do. I'll get a a yay or a nay
from Peggy next day or two and if she

743
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,680
says yes then that'll be maybe that'll
be the project. I as you know we had a

744
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,319
couple articles in the weekly Montre
minute. you

745
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:51,760
» that Tom that I submitted and he did
publish them which was great and he said

746
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,480
Eddie just send them to me and I will
get them in on a weekly basis so we have

747
00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:00,319
some visibility there if we want
>> but we'll use the chestnut as maybe step

748
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:04,480
one if she says yes that'll be our
project with a little announcement a

749
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:10,079
little get together a little education
handouts and that'll be it and uh

750
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,359
» I did talk to um um Jordan is that his
name the guy at the post office he

751
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,640
doesn't want any big boards
he doesn't mind us putting

752
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:24,720
someformational sheets on the tables,
you know, when you walk in. He does not

753
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,839
want big boards in the post office.
>> Okay.

754
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:31,280
» Okay.
>> So, um but yes, we can put something on

755
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:36,280
those desks where we all throw our mail
away.

756
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,280
» So, um

757
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:43,200
that's okay. All right. So, all right.
Will you I'll check with Peggy and then

758
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,839
get back to you guys and uh see what
else we can come up with. But I think

759
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,440
it's important that we make a little
more of a um public uh effort towards

760
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:56,079
the Montre residents as a tree board
independent of wilderness day or

761
00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:00,480
cottagers meetings or any of those
things. I think that's important. Okay.

762
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:06,400
One of them I do think is the treasure
tree effort which as you see

763
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:09,839
residential. The last time we did it we
basically were all in the town

764
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:15,839
rightaways with a couple exceptions and
you bought a tree for your property and

765
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:20,079
» but I think of the 14 we did I think 11
or 12 were on rightways

766
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,480
» but it's one we and we have money in the
bank as I reported to the last meeting.

767
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Uh we were able to buy that sign I think
that you got for the cottages meeting

768
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:33,760
through those funds we raised. So I
think the town would the residents would

769
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:37,119
we get a lot of calls and I can get that
into the military minute with Tom. If

770
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,640
somebody thinks they have a treasure
tree the Swanoa Valley people will come

771
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:47,440
out and they will identify it not me.
Okay. And yeah there's a treasure tree

772
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:52,640
and people love having plaques I think
in Montre on their property. Hasn't

773
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:57,040
there been an interest people asking,
well, how do I nominate a tree?

774
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:00,800
» Yes, we got those and there is a way to
do it. Um, there's an actual

775
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,160
» I don't think we know how to do that.
>> Yeah, I think we should I think we

776
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:06,640
should um and I can do that with Tom
gets there is a form they have to fill

777
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,960
in.
>> Yeah,

778
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,880
» I think the form should come to the here
to the Montre and then we can forward

779
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:17,839
off because or else we'll lose control.
Then we'll forward it off to the Swanoa

780
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:22,240
Valley people to do the inspection. If
if you want it to be a partial

781
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:27,200
fundraiser for the tree board, then
that's the way you have to do it because

782
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,000
otherwise you just go directly on their
site

783
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:36,800
» and there's a little e form or whatever.
I think it's all some data fill form

784
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:39,040
online and you submit and it costs $35.
>> Yes.

785
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:41,359
» And then if you want some other thing on
it, it costs $50.

786
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,599
» Correct. That's right.
>> And then but I think Ann, you mentioned

787
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:50,319
that somehow we got something about
Montre on the plaque too. Therefore, the

788
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:53,680
cost went from 35 to 50 to 100 or
something.

789
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,960
» So, if we want to skim money off, it has
to come through us. Otherwise, people

790
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,760
are just going to go straight there and
do it.

791
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:04,160
» Now, the way it worked last time is the
people, and I know you did because you

792
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,520
wrote a check to the town of Montre for
$100.

793
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:12,559
» And then what happened is the the Swan
Noa Valley people build us just for the

794
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:16,720
plaques as an invoice. And then the town
paid them for the invoices, which I

795
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,000
think was $50 per plaque. Okay.
>> And then we got 100 from you and we kept

796
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,760
the 50.
>> Yeah.

797
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,440
» There was
>> that was it. I forget I forget now the

798
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,359
whole breakdown of it.
>> It was really simple. It was very

799
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:31,520
simple. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So I think I'm going to talk to

800
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Tom maybe what this week
>> does that work for you guys? I'm going

801
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:37,839
to try to get if any resident wants to
nominate a tree.

802
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,799
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Here's how you contact I'll work

803
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:45,680
it out with the office.
>> And I think the extra money was because

804
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,240
we wanted to dedicate our tree. We
wanted to make a specific dedic

805
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,880
dedication,
>> right?

806
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:56,319
» Rather than just a treasure.
>> Correct. That's right. It was $100. That

807
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:58,240
that price was set by us.
>> Yeah.

808
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,960
» They only wanted their 50 for the cost
of the plaque.

809
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,319
» They didn't care what other than that.
They didn't care.

810
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,440
» Yeah.
>> I think 100's a fair number. Don't you

811
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,240
think?
>> Yeah.

812
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:11,040
» Yeah. I mean, it cost 50.
>> An extra $50.

813
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:15,280
» If you don't want
>> We actually got a lot of calls somebody.

814
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,960
It's only 50 bucks. So, you know,
>> we did

815
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,440
» you didn't want to commemorate it to
somebody.

816
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:23,760
» Yeah. Right. I Every tree that we sold
last year had it some type of

817
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:26,880
dedication. Yours was your father.
>> Yeah. My parents.

818
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,319
» Yeah. I mean I mean I know a few of
them.

819
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:34,880
So, okay. So, I think that with the
board's okay, I'm going to uh make that

820
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:39,599
connection maybe with the announcement
this week in the U Montre minute. Any

821
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:44,400
resident who wants to nominate a tree
for

822
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:48,079
» Yeah. a treasure tree and it's contact
the office or I'll speak to them.

823
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:55,520
» And I would say don't forget that the
Presbyterian Heritage Center has worked

824
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:58,559
on a a history tour thing also through
>> they have their things up where they

825
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,280
» and they're waiting for the I don't know
where the sign what where what's holding

826
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,799
up the signs but they're they've gotten
approval I understand for the signage.

827
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
So
>> that's to be determined, right?

828
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:16,319
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Good. So, and I think, you know,

829
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:19,359
we need to pull them in and you get maps
and stuff up there, too. Once we

830
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,520
» get to that point. Sure. And we still
have maps for the original 14, correct,

831
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:27,359
Elizabeth? That you've been maintaining.
>> The treasure tree maps. It's on our

832
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:30,400
treeboard website, right? Plus, I think
there's some copies floating around. The

833
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,240
in used to give them out. I don't know
if they still I haven't checked.

834
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,319
» We still have them.
>> They have the PDF. They can print more

835
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,799
copies at the end if they want. Heritage
Center has them

836
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:43,200
» and if you check to be sure there's
still copies out or something. So,

837
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:48,640
» I'll double check. And it's it's I I
just think it's important because

838
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:55,599
especially with the um
road scholars, uh a lot of those people

839
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:58,480
like to pick up information and you
know, then you can take the treasure

840
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:01,040
tree walk.
>> Yeah.

841
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:04,240
» On your own, you know, walk around say,
"Oh, okay."

842
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:08,960
» I've seen people do it. They give it out
at this um office here

843
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,839
» during the summertime. The treasure tree
map is people do pick it up when they

844
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,920
come into town when they man the uh
>> whatever that's called the gate house.

845
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:20,079
Okay.
>> Yeah.

846
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:24,319
» Okay. Uh the green works outreach. I
think Elizabeth, you sent me this.

847
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:31,359
Um
I think I that probably goes back to our

848
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:35,680
April event that um I think um Katie
Putnham's already reached out to Ashley

849
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:40,240
and myself about helping with the next
Arbor Day and I she may have reached out

850
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:46,480
to you too. I don't know. Anyway, Kathy
Putnham, she's agreed to do the next

851
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:51,680
» plant sale or labor landare festival and
arbor day celebration. Yeah,

852
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:58,400
» as as the awkward name goes. And so I
this was a thing that once we get a date

853
00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:02,079
set with that committee, then I can
reach out to Greenworks and say, "Hey,

854
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,359
can we get some trees again?"
>> Okay.

855
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,839
» For next year.
>> That's April.

856
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:08,880
» Yeah. It' be next April.
>> Yeah.

857
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:14,480
» But what we really want are understory
trees. Last year, what they had was a

858
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:18,720
whole lot of oaks, which people did take
and and we managed to give them all

859
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:23,440
away. But what people really want are
the understory trees. We have a lot of

860
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:27,440
big oaks and elms and tulip poppplers
here in the valley.

861
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,240
» Not to say that we couldn't add some
more that are slightly more native than

862
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:36,240
what we have, but the demand's really
red buds, service berries. Uh

863
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,520
» so some advanced
>> Yeah. dog woods, that kind of thing. I

864
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,040
George, do you have any?
>> No, that's true.

865
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,799
» That's what we ran into last year.
>> So what you're saying

866
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,160
» were hard to give away.
>> They were hard. They were

867
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,640
Don't you want an oak to go with that
red bud?

868
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,839
» The red buds went in five minutes, I
think.

869
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:56,319
» I remember that. Yeah,
>> the oaks lasted until 2 o'clock.

870
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:59,040
» That's down the road. Okay. All right.
>> The mighty oak.

871
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:03,520
» I was not planning on being there till 2
o'clock with trees, but anyway, I was

872
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:06,160
okay. So, anyway, just trying to get
things that people actually want.

873
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,079
» Okay.
>> You know, and if we only get 30, that's

874
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:14,559
fine. You know, they're free trees.
>> Okay. But that's down the road. But it's

875
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:18,319
good. Advanced planning is good. But if
we tell them now, then they can

876
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,000
» because they have they have a lot of
people asking for sure they do.

877
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,240
» So we just need to get in the queue in
the right spot.

878
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,280
» Okay. Um so that's all the new business
that I had listed. The other thing I

879
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:34,160
would add though, we do have some money
still. Uh the tree board, if anybody has

880
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,440
any ideas how to want to spend it on new
literature, handouts, we have money.

881
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,359
» Okay.
>> About $400.

882
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,839
» Okay.
>> And if there's some new pieces of

883
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:48,799
information we want to produce,
We can. We have the money to do that.

884
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,599
» And that's what the banner
>> The banner got paid for. Yeah. Yeah. The

885
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,640
banner.
>> Nice banner.

886
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:57,440
» Yeah. Yeah. Very nice.
>> Where's the banner?

887
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:00,319
» Yeah, it is currently in my basement.
>> Okay, great. We know where it is. It

888
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,400
didn't get block away. Okay, great.
Okay, good.

889
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,040
» Along with the box of stuff
>> and maybe we can use some handouts for

890
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,520
this Montre uh wilderness day if we
think we need some new literature or

891
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,440
something. Yeah.
>> About the tree board itself. Maybe one

892
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:17,280
sheet. Okay.
All right. Anybody have any other new

893
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,760
business?
>> Okay. All right. All right. We'll skip

894
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:27,680
over public works because he didn't make
it today and commissioner is not here.

895
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:33,599
So, Tyler, anything going on in the
inventory world?

896
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:40,880
» I have heard from I heard
when it's going to be working on the

897
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:46,960
graveyard born area clearing the dead
tree down. But I don't know

898
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,880
when that's actually going to be. I
thought it was going to be done a couple

899
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:57,359
weeks ago when they had the big machine
to do the stuff, but no one else bring

900
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:06,000
the stuff though. I don't know exactly
when it's exactly all going to happen.

901
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:10,640
» There's there's a big dead hemlock
partway up assembly

902
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,839
on the west side, not the Flat Creek
side. You see it when you're driving

903
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,920
down assembly. You see the big trunk. I
don't know if that's a town tree or a

904
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:23,280
resident tree
>> on that side of the walkway.

905
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:27,839
» Yeah, that I don't know. I just see the
trunk. You know what do you call the

906
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:33,680
stand or whatever the
>> it's it's a big old I'm pretty sure it's

907
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:36,640
a himmlock that died. You'll see it.
>> But if it's on private land, then that's

908
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,400
one that Barry
>> Yeah. Yeah,

909
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,599
» like in the ordinance, Barry can go to
the people and say, "Hey, you need to

910
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:44,400
remove this cuz if it falls,
>> it's going to take out power lines or

911
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:49,119
whatever." You know, it'll go across
Assembly Drive.

912
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:54,240
» But then that's where it comes to thing.
Why am I going to pay?

913
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:58,640
» No. No. Not that he have it cut as a
homeowner. Then if it falls and hit the

914
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:04,319
power line, the power line people have
to take care of it.

915
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:10,640
» Yeah. Not going there. So to them to
have no power for two hours and to pay

916
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:14,960
$1,000 or whatever to have it taken
down. That's the way people are going to

917
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:20,720
look at it
>> unless it's going to hit the house then

918
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:23,359
they'll say okay. But anything else
they're just going to let it be.

919
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:29,280
» Okay.
>> So my question just as a resident like

920
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:33,359
Flat Creek's got a lot of limbs going
across the tree. that he's just going to

921
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:37,280
leave them. That that's called nature.
The ones that have just fallen into the

922
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:40,079
creek from the storm.
>> Well,

923
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,799
» and we're going to have storms come in
and out.

924
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,880
» I mean, that just is that I mean I'm I'm
just saying that that's nature and we

925
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:53,599
just leave it and it and
I'm just curious.

926
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:57,520
» That's somewhat debatable. Um, from my
perspective,

927
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:02,960
uh, I've been spending a lot of time
trying to renovate the wildflower

928
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:06,640
garden, which most that I've discovered
that there are many people in Montre

929
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,680
don't even know exists.
>> Where? Tell me, where is wildflower

930
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:14,240
garden? There's another one.
>> It is on the east side of the list.

931
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,559
» It's on the other side of the colum.
>> It's on the other side of the

932
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:24,799
columbarium and straight and goes up the
named path. Some people call it

933
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:31,280
Elizabeth's path. Some call it the gate
path and it goes on goes on up that

934
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:36,880
direction. Probably it peters out toward
the pump station that's up there. Um

935
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,799
» is that a private a personal project of
yours or is that part of a land care?

936
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:47,039
» It's part of the green space.
>> The green. Okay. But um

937
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:54,720
part of the arrangement I have with
Barry and and um

938
01:05:51,839 --> 01:06:00,559
what's her name down here? Um I
Savannah. I don't get my feet wet

939
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,240
because theoretically
it's against the law to get your feet

940
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,640
wet.
>> So I've been removing stuff and putting

941
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:12,559
it in a place where Barry's crew can get
to it and make it disappear. make what

942
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,119
disappear?
>> The dead the dead material. Oh, okay.

943
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:18,880
The dead material. Okay. The storm
damage.

944
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,480
» So,
>> is the wildflower garden still there now

945
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:26,880
as he speak?
>> Uh half of it still there.

946
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:28,880
» Half of it gone.
>> Yes.

947
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,480
» Um
>> half is still there.

948
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:37,599
» Lower the lower half is gone,
>> but the upper level is gone. There's

949
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:43,280
about a
three and a half to five foot grade

950
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:49,520
change between normal water and the
upland. Uh that that side of the bank

951
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:55,640
didn't get cut out too badly
>> whereas the memorial garden side got

952
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,640
really ripped out.

953
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:04,000
» Interesting. Wow. I didn't know that.
>> Anyway, it's just part of my playground.

954
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:07,359
» Okay. Interesting.
Okay. I appreciate how much you play on

955
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,599
the playground.
>> Yeah, that's beautiful.

956
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:17,599
» Hours and hours and hours. So, the the
there was going to be a core of engineer

957
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:22,559
project that was going to go somewhat up
flat creek, but I they haven't shown up.

958
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:28,720
It's been discussed in council meeting.
I think I don't think they're going to

959
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:33,839
get up here. So I think the the major
blockages to culverts and such Barry has

960
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:38,319
taken care of or they took care of
immediately after the storm. Otherwise,

961
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:42,799
there's just trees and stuff across the
creek that I personally don't think I

962
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:48,160
think it's going to be nature.
>> Nature. Okay, fine. And now that we're

963
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:55,280
out of an emergency situation, the rules
about dealing with that stuff come under

964
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:59,039
the massive flood plane flood flat creek
water condition type stuff.

965
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:02,720
» So this is just a point of information.
I know it seems like some of the creek

966
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,160
is not as deep as it used to be.
>> Oh lord. Yeah.

967
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,640
» Is that correct?
>> Oh yeah.

968
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:11,280
» So that means it would flood easier as
we have a heavier rain or

969
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:17,359
» No, actually it won't. It'll the flood
plane is what's gotten wider. Okay.

970
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:21,759
» Uh and so the water that normal flow of
water is spread over a larger distance.

971
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,560
So when you spread it over a larger
distance, you

972
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:27,600
» decrease its depth.
>> Okay.

973
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:31,520
» Which is why it looks so funky right
now. It looks like the water is just

974
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:34,960
kind of trickling along. But it's normal
flow.

975
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:38,400
» Normal. Oh, normal flow. Just a wider
area.

976
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:42,799
» The flood plane is just stretched out so
much.

977
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:46,880
So the flood plane goes up to and how
does it generally it goes from the

978
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:53,199
obviously the creek does it go on to
like Assembly Drive the flood plane or

979
01:08:49,279 --> 01:09:00,239
» probably does theoretically
>> the government your government not mine

980
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:05,279
the government draws flood planes with a
black magic marker.

981
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:10,880
For instance,
>> when I bought my house in Rock Hill,

982
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:17,120
according to the flood plane map, it was
in the flood plane. And the insurance

983
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:24,159
company questioned it. My house in Rock
Hill was 30 feet above mean flow of the

984
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:27,520
creek. 30 feet
>> above

985
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,640
» above mean flow. And it was in a flood
plane.

986
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:34,000
» Right?
>> Come on now, folks. That ain't very

987
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,279
reasonable. Now, this isn't Nepal. This
is Rock Hill, South Carolina.

988
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,359
» Right. Okay.
>> I mean,

989
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:45,359
anyway, the insurance company agreed
that Yeah. You know what? I don't think

990
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:47,199
we need to worry about flood insurance.
>> Right.

991
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:53,040
» Right.
>> So, that's what they did here. When they

992
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:56,800
when they redid the flood plane, they
followed the what happened after

993
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:01,320
» Helen,
>> which kind of makes sense.

994
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:06,880
interesting
>> reasonably. I don't believe it's going

995
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:11,440
to happen again, but you never can tell.
>> At least not in our lifetime.

996
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:17,840
» And in the way weather conditions are
going right now, there is I don't know a

997
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:24,480
credible weather source that is
confident in what's going on in weather

998
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:26,880
prediction right now. Right.
>> Okay.

999
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,960
» And here's Hawaii having its first
hurricane.

1000
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:35,520
» All right. Any other announcements? from
the board. Okay,

1001
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:41,600
» we've got a lot of work to do. Okay. All
right. Next meeting is Tuesday, October

1002
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:45,920
13th at 9 a.m.
No further business. Motion to adjourn.

1003
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:51,040
» So move.
>> Okay. Thank second

1004
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:56,159
» because we don't need one, but it seems
we are adjourned. Thank you. Oh, okay.

1005
01:10:53,520 --> 01:11:00,080
So, a lot of followup here today and
it's all good stuff. Thank you.