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Thank you.

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Welcome everybody to the planning and

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zoning meeting June 10th, 2026.

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And we will call to order.

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We'll start with the pledge of

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allegiance.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the stands one nation

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under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Roll call.

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Board member Whitten.

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>> Board member Broker.

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Board member Weiss,

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Vice Chair W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W Wsworth

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>> here,

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>> Chairwoman Aerolano

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» All right, first on the agenda

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is the approval of the minutes

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March 11, 2026.

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So, I have a couple of

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things that I noticed in the minutes.

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Under resolution 20262,

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the fourth paragraph ends in a statement

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that says he explained what would be

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located at the store and when the

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situation would clear up. I have

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absolutely no idea what that's in

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context to from the conversation.

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at the at the moment the town clerk

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isn't here, but I can go ahead and go

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back and answer that question for you

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after whenever I get the chance.

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>> Okay. Um then further down near the

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bottom of the page, um actually the

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bottom of the page is correct. What's

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incorrect is the last paragraph or first

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paragraph on the second page uh the vote

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says that it was a 40 vote and only

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three people were eligible to vote as

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chairman Ariano had recused herself from

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that vote.

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>> Good catch.

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>> So it's correct. It's 300

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near the bottom of page two, but it says

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four and four to zero at the top.

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So we can let them make those

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corrections and regroup next time. Okay,

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>> good catch.

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All right. So, next on the agenda is

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ordinance number 2026-03.

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Oops.

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An ordinance of the town of Mont Verd,

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Lake County, Florida, amending section

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4-52C

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and article 3, chapter 4 of the land

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development code of the town of Montver

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prohibiting construction with slopes

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exceeding a 45% grade and encouraging a

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maximum slope of 5 to one or flatter

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within the town of Montb providing for

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repeal of all conflicting ordinances,

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providing for severability, and

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providing for an effective date. There's

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a staff report in your agenda packet

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that was prepared by Parks Consulting

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explaining um the ordinance. What was

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changed is in underline and stricken

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language can be seen within the body of

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the ordinance primarily on page two of

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seven.

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and it's changing the slopes um stating

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that they shall not exceed a 45% grade.

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Currently, it's a maximum of a 25% grade

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which causes issues within Magnolia

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Terrace and other communities where

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they're sloping. Um it will affect

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Montbird Estates um as as they come in

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for development and many of the

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properties in Magnolia Terrace would not

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comply with your code. Um and those were

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developed quite some time ago. Of

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course, I think um we have some slides

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that parks consulting um provided

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on the left showing the 4:1 slope which

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is what you currently have um and then a

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five to one slope which is what is

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encouraged.

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45% this would be the maximum that's

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overall change in ordinance and the

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logic behind it. I'm a bit concerned

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that we're not represented by

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our town manager or our city planner in

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this meeting. I don't think that anybody

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here is probably qualified to answer the

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questions that I'm about to ask.

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>> Okay. I mean, if the PNZ board wants to

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table it until Mr. Parks can be here or

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if you want us to have the town engineer

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available by Zoom at the next meeting in

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addition to Mr. Parks, I'm sure we could

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arrange that.

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like to know your questions now so we

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could think about them if that's okay.

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questions because I have about four

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pages worth. So, it was

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depth, but maybe just outline them so we

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can all think about them.

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>> Okay. So to me, at least initially, I

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kind of feel like we have a drafting

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error here. Or maybe we're,

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how do I want to word this?

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The two things don't match. So today,

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it's 25%, which is 4:1. It's represented

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here as a 25- foot rise in a 10-ft run.

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um changing that to a five to one is

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less of a slope, not more.

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to 45. That's incredibly steep.

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Lake County itself has limited the slope

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to 25% 4:1 themselves. They've done

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ample research

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into having higher slopes than that

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increases erosion. It increases runoff

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of nutrients into like the lakes and the

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in sandy soil in heavy rains like we

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just had last year, that creates slide

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to 45 deg or 45%.

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two and a quarter feet for every

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lead to an awful lot of problems here.

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number two because I already talked

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about Lake County. Um,

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so it just seems odd that we're

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effectively going to allow for almost

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twice as aggressive slopes as what Lake

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>> Yeah. And we're pretty much the hilliest

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serious issues. Mhm.

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that at a state of Florida level, they

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allow up to 50%,

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but that requires some really extensive

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elevated roads and things like that, not

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really building. So,

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to move very quickly down it. It's not

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going to soak into the soil. It's going

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to strip nutrients out of the top and

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just take it straight down into the

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basins, which then feed out into the

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coming from because it seems like it's

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out of left field. Um,

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so I guess I wanted to ask the question

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which won't be answered, but was this

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proposed by either of the active PUDs

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that we've already approved based on

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design, based on retaining walls and

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grading?

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shouldn't they need to be coming back to

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planning and zoning for a variance on

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the PUD, not changing the entire

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ordinance, which would affect all future

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>> to my knowledge, it's not, but Mr. um

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Lorino or Parks would have to answer.

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>> Yeah, exactly. That's why I didn't

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expect you to answer tonight because who

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>> it could have been done you know as

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precaution with the upcoming

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development on the horizon. Well,

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Bellacina, I'll call it because I can

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never remember the new name that they

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have branded it, but we use the new

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extension to the Bella Kalina, we

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that zoning based on certain retaining

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walls up to certain heights in certain

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places complying with our current code

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of 25% grading. That would require them

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to build a substantial amount of walls

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there. If they're now coming in to

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saying, "Well, we don't want to do that.

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us to have a whole lot less retaining

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walls at a much lower cost,

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ask for a revision to their PUD,

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>> asking for those exceptions, and we

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would then get to choose whether or not

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we want to or not." Right. So,

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I don't think it was different in their

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PUD. I can double check that before the

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next meeting, but to my knowledge, it's

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not in the PUD.

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>> How would this affect Mag Terrace today?

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>> that was plotted and graded

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>> code. There's one lot on the lake that's

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extremely like this. And how how would

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it affect that particular lot?

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>> They would have to come and ask for a

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variance if they couldn't meet the code

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whenever they go to build.

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>> or they would have to put in retaining

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>> I think we've had some of those.

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>> Some have done it and some have not.

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>> Which obviously it looks better to the

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>> I mean because then you have flat nice

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conversation and staff meeting was that

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there are probably some in Magnolia

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Terrace that do not comply with the

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code.

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>> Um and so this would help them if they

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ever had to redevelop their property.

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But um

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>> yeah.

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>> So they're currently grandfathered in

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though because they were built correct

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prior to the legally existing

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non-conforming use. I'm assuming the

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code at that time allowed it or it was

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just overlooked when they came in for

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permitting. I mean those built a long

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time ago.

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>> Yeah.

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Most of them.

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>> But if this or something similar to this

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was passed, the vacant lots that have

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not been built on would have to comply.

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>> Correct. They would

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>> they would have to Well, anything not

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built currently would still have to

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comply, right, with the current code

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andor this if we pass this, right?

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>> Correct.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Which Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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Um, I mean that's the the gist and I was

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waiting to hear answers to a lot of

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those questions

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>> and then would have other questions I'm

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sure but I don't think we can answer any

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of those questions tonight. I think we

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need to know if this is

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>> specifically being driven because a

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certain developer doesn't want to stick

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with what was already approved and is

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trying to avoid a change um a PUB

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revision. Um, but then I'm also just

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concerned in general about what this

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opens up everywhere else.

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>> Mhm.

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>> What other lots

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I guess technically the big large vacant

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property off of South or was that East

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Ridgewood could be impacted by this

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>> potentially.

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>> Um,

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>> and I don't know if there's anything

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around Franklin Pond left that

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>> that's all built there.

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>> There's there's a couple lots right when

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you first pull in, but they're pretty

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flat.

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lakes the lake front side

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>> not fully built when you first

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>> except for the one that they just built.

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Yeah.

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>> Yep.

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>> Yeah. But there's actually is a lot back

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there still behind

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>> because there's still another one back

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there.

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>> Mhm. Yeah.

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>> Okay. Um

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so I would say table I mean is my

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current stance because I can't

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>> make a decision based on

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>> lack of information. So

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>> I'd be hard

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And I would like to know who's actually

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the property, you know, makes a good

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point once we approve something like

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this.

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» It's kind of scary.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And you have to think about

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how developers would think, right? If

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they what you're writing or what's the

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way it's written is we'll allow up to

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45%.

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But we effectively want you to try and

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stay at 20. They're going to come in

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immediately look at it and go cool, I

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can go 45%.

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>> 100%.

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>> And that's all they're going to the the caveat of encouraged

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20% is going to be meaningless. You

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might as well just not even have that

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even in there.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So,

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>> well, once we learn more, if if you guys

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want to table it, we can go that route,

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then we can obviously amend it and, you

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know, correct go from there.

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I have a copy of all of my questions

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which I plan to submit to the town clerk

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as a resident because I think it's

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important that these questions are

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answered and that council is aware of

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all of these questions explicitly versus

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what may be summarized in a packet. So I

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have a copy that I was planning to

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submit as well.

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>> That'll be good. And that way we can

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submit that to um to parks consulting

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and if we need to consult with the

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engineer and be able to answer your

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questions at the next meeting.

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>> Okay. I'd like to get a copy of it, too.

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>> Here you go.

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>> I couldn't give it to you ahead of time.

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Any if anybody else wants a copy, I do

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have extra copy.

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>> Sure. So,

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>> you want a copy, Josie?

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>> Actually,

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I'll give that one to you.

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>> I don't have that many. Somebody wants

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to make more copies.

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>> Um,

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>> we can make copies.

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>> Yeah. I mean, you're That's the last

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copy that I have. I have one for the

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official record and one more that

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somebody will give it to Joseph.

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>> They can make copies.

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>> You can make copies of this one.

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>> Um.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So all of you have one. Yes. Okay.

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>> Perfect.

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>> And then they can make a copy for the F.

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So, I would make a motion to table

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ordinance 2026-03

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until we can have parks consulting andor

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town manager. I wouldn't mind the

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engineer as well. So, one of my

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questions is has the town engineer gone

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over this and what's his concept or

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thoughts here. Um,

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so

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>> well, there is a staff report, but I

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agree we need more information. So,

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you're making a motion to I'll second

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>> table it.

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>> Yeah. Make a motion to table 2026-03

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until we can have proper staff here to

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answer the questions.

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>> Okay.

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>> All those in favor say I.

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>> I.

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Nobody's opposed.

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So, if we're

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good to go, I guess I just need a motion

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to adjurnn.

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>> Do we have any reports from

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>> No.

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>> town attorney even.

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>> I do have just um

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we initially did not expect a meeting in

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July, but I think we'll be having a

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meeting in July so that you can consider

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this ordinance. Um, we do expect to have

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a meeting within the next 60 to 90 days

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on Mont Vera Estate's final engineering

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and development plans.

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>> No sir, that's close to Bella Kina. Yes.

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So, they've submitted. We have to review

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those and provide them comments and then

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there'll probably be some revisions. So,

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we're not sure um exactly when, but um

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the town manager indicated 60 to 90

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days. So,

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>> yeah, these builders may they're asking

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for various

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come in and address

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the board. I just think it's courtesy.

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>> And did I hear last night Paul said that

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Ozgood has filed their final grading and

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have been issued their permit. So

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they're they're set and starting to do

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their or ready to do their work.

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>> They received their mass grading permit.

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Um and I think they're getting ready to

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file for final plat. Um that's correct.

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Okay,

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» that's all I have. Thank you. Anybody

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else have anything?

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>> I'll motion that we close.

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>> Ajourned.

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>> Can I get you get a second? All those in

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favor say I.

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>> I.

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Well, thank you everyone for a very

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short meeting. My goodness. We'll

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repeat.