1 00:18:56,500 --> 00:19:00,380 Of the Moore County commissioners, thanks everyone for coming out this evening. 2 00:19:01,580 --> 00:19:07,460 The invocation will be done by Reverend Theron Willis from Carthage United Methodist Church. 3 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:12,320 He will offer the invocation, and it will be followed by Tammy Golden, who will lead us 4 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,800 in the Pledge of Allegiance. Please stand if you're able. 5 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:25,720 Let us pray. Gracious and loving God, we give you thanks and praise for these dedicated 6 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,700 public servants who you have answered your call to serve as this County's Board of Commissioners. 7 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:38,120 Please be present in this meeting through the work of your Holy Spirit. Grant these 8 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:44,140 commissioners divine wisdom to be faithful shepherds of the resources and people entrusted 9 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:52,560 into their care. Grant them clarity of mind to weigh complex issues, patience to listen 10 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:58,180 to all voices and unity of purpose to serve all citizens well. 11 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:01,740 May all that is spoken and 12 00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:07,200 dedicated here today bring honor and glory to your name. And as in Jesus' holy and precious 13 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,080 name we pray, amen. 14 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Are 15 00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:41,870 there any additional agenda items for consideration this evening? 16 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:50,170 Yes, sir. I'd like to add under new business item a contract amendment number two with United Reynolds for the water pollution control plant 17 00:20:50,170 --> 00:20:51,590 That is in the form of a motion 18 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,100 Okay, we have a motion by 19 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,740 Chairman for Cerno 20 00:20:59,580 --> 00:21:01,020 Kurt will be our second 21 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,500 All right, just all in favor all in favor 22 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:08,500 The eyes have it 3-0 23 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:16,500 Does any commissioner have a conflict of interest concern in any agenda items on the board will address in this meeting? 24 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:29,720 None noted. All items listed below are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion. No separate discussion will be held except on the request of a member of the board. 25 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,440 Motion to approve consent. 26 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:40,830 Okay, I've got a motion by Chairman Pocerno and Commissioner Cook. 27 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,680 The vote is 3-0. 28 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:49,200 Excuse me. 29 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Well, you need to ask for the vote. 30 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:51,300 Okay. 31 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:51,980 Oh, excuse me. 32 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,340 Bear with me, gentlemen and ladies. 33 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:55,540 We're- 34 00:21:55,540 --> 00:21:55,900 Training. 35 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Trial under fire this evening. 36 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:58,920 Okay. 37 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,120 All right. 38 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:00,920 Do I have a vote? 39 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,260 All in favor. 40 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,060 All in favor. 41 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:03,620 Aye. 42 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Aye. 43 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,140 Does have it 3-0. 44 00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:08,140 So we 45 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,760 have nothing under recognitions, presentations. 46 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:18,200 I'll now turn it over to our county manager. 47 00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:20,280 Thank you, Vice-Chairman Bunkenon. 48 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,100 We do have one item under our public hearings. 49 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:27,240 This is for the board to consider a call to for a public hearing 50 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,980 to update our road naming and addressing ordinance. 51 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,040 And for this item, we'll recognize our GIS coordinator, 52 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:35,140 Rachel Smith. 53 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,140 Good evening. 54 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,240 The request is hereby made for the board of commissioners 55 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:48,700 to call a public hearing for Tuesday, August 18th, 2026 at 5.30 p.m. to consider an amendment 56 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:53,740 to the mortar county road name and addressing ordinance to add one road to the ordinance. 57 00:22:54,820 --> 00:23:00,140 The background is section three of the ordinance states no new roads outside the municipal 58 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:05,560 limits of the county of Moore, whether part of the state secondary road system or private 59 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,200 that shall be named without the approval 60 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,680 of the Board of Commissioners. 61 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,220 The road listed here is for initial naming 62 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,340 and will be privately maintained. 63 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,360 Ashton Lane, 64 00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:22,930 pause for any comments. 65 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:24,110 Do I have a motion? 66 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,110 Yes, Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion 67 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:29,590 that the Board of Commissioners have a call 68 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:33,750 to public hearing for August 18, 2026 at 5.30 69 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:35,950 to consider amendments to more county road name, 70 00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:39,490 addressing ordinance to have one road to the ordinance adding Ashton Lane. 71 00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:45,930 I have a motion by Chairman Pizarro and a second by Commissioner Cook. Any discussion? 72 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:51,170 All in favor say aye. No. All opposed say no. 73 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:54,630 We have the ayes have it 3-0. 74 00:23:55,910 --> 00:23:58,210 Thank you, Rachel. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 75 00:23:58,950 --> 00:24:02,790 There are no items under our quasi-judicial. There are no items under old business. 76 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:08,110 We do have one item that was added as an additional agenda item on the new business and this is 77 00:24:08,110 --> 00:24:12,590 for the board to consider a contract amendment to with United Rentals and we'll recognize 78 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:16,810 our public works director Brian Patnode to introduce this item. 79 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:18,650 Good evening commissioners. 80 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:20,090 Thank you for the late addition. 81 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:26,390 If you remember last meeting we were excited about the aeration blowers finally being 82 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:27,470 delivered from Belgium. 83 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:32,810 Unfortunately, they sent the wrong size connection piece. 84 00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:36,850 The new blowers are 16-inch, the old are 14. 85 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:42,730 They were supposed to convert it during the manufacturing process, but they did not. 86 00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:45,270 So we're still in a holding pattern. 87 00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:50,870 We're working with the supplier hoping they can help us out, get it here quickly and 88 00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:53,210 help us absorb some of these costs. 89 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:59,730 this amendment is to extend the rental in case we need it in an extended period 90 00:24:59,730 --> 00:25:07,710 of time and increase the dollar amount by roughly 103,000 to cover potential 91 00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:12,750 cost of that rental. Are there any questions or would you like for me to 92 00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:18,190 what was the amount again? 103,000? 93 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,220 That takes the new not to 94 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:27,120 to exceed amount to the 451.422.30. 95 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:28,480 All right. 96 00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:30,720 Okay, do I have a motion? 97 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,260 Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve amendment number two 98 00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:35,500 with the United Rentals to extend the contract 99 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,400 through September 30, 2026. 100 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:43,040 Increase the, do not exceed amount to 451,422.30 cents. 101 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:45,360 Authorize the chairman to sign. 102 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:46,860 Second. 103 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:49,880 Okay, I have a motion by Chairman Paterno 104 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,360 and a second by Commissioner Cook. 105 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,400 Any discussion? 106 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:59,260 Yes, Mr. Chair, I would ask that our attorneys prepare and send a letter to the manufacturer 107 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:05,760 requesting a rebate of $103,000 so that we can send this money to United Rentals, not 108 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040 for the ratepayers in Warl County, to fix their mistake. 109 00:26:13,670 --> 00:26:14,170 Thank you. 110 00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:15,590 Thank you. 111 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:17,590 Thank you, Brian. 112 00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:20,450 All in favor say aye. 113 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:22,330 Are we doing that? 114 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:23,370 Okay. 115 00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:23,830 All right. 116 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:24,310 Discussion? 117 00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:24,850 Yeah. 118 00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:25,270 Thank you. 119 00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:25,530 All right. 120 00:26:25,530 --> 00:26:32,030 Yeah, what do you write a couple you call for the boat? Okay all in favor say aye. They 121 00:26:32,650 --> 00:26:38,350 ice have it three to zero. Thank you. Thank you Brian. Thank you Vice-Chairman 122 00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:43,310 Von Cannon. That's all the items under new business. There is one item under 123 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:48,550 appointments and we'll turn it over to our Assistant Manager Laura Williams who 124 00:26:48,550 --> 00:26:54,930 is filling in for our clerk Jenny Parks who is in a class this week. Thank 125 00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:55,110 Thank you. 126 00:26:55,750 --> 00:27:00,910 So there are no actions requested on the appointments tonight. 127 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:06,410 This is just review for your next meeting in August for appointments to be made to the 128 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:13,430 airport authority for Eugene Horn's seat, board of health for Nick Ellis's seat and 129 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:18,530 Benjamin Wacker's seat, planning board Tucker McKenzie and the Sandhills Regional 130 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:21,270 Library System, board of trustees Joanne King. 131 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:26,570 So I think Jenny has provided to you the applications and background on those 132 00:27:27,550 --> 00:27:29,550 Desiring additional terms of service 133 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:38,450 Nick Alice was he was particular was he a particular position you know some have to be he was at large. He was at large, okay? Yes, and 134 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:43,050 Then Dr. Wacker is optometrist. Yeah, 135 00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:46,520 all right. Thank you 136 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,400 All right at this time. We're going to open the public comment period 137 00:27:51,980 --> 00:28:04,460 This will be three minutes per person, and or when you hear the buzzer, if you're at the end of a thought or the beginning of a thought, go ahead and draw it to a close, and we'll get started. 138 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,260 Our first, please stand up to the podium and give your name and where you're from. 139 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,340 We're going to start off with Debra. 140 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:12,740 Is this McAllen? 141 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:14,260 McGovern. 142 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:14,800 Alrighty. 143 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:23,740 I'm Debra McGovern. 144 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:26,740 I live in Pinehurst, North Carolina. 145 00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:35,360 I'm here to discuss, think about what surveillance is like in our county. 146 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,940 We have flock machines going up. 147 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:46,740 We do not think that surveilling our community is a good thing for the community. 148 00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:55,640 There are plenty of studies that we can see that show that flock does not make our community 149 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:03,800 safer. And I think we should all be willing to talk about and think about where we go with this 150 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,000 because I do not think it's the right thing for us. Thank you. 151 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:08,780 Thank you. 152 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,660 Next speaker, John Maziac. 153 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:32,670 Comissors, I'm John Maziac, and I'm from Woodlake. During your July 21 meeting, we heard from two representatives 154 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:38,910 from the nursing and adult care home community advocacy committee. During their presentation 155 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:44,930 they noted how North Carolina has an aging population. More specifically, they mentioned 156 00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:51,230 more county is near the top of the list of counties with aging populations and the problems 157 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:57,910 and costs that brings with it. How do we reduce the average age here in more county 158 00:29:57,910 --> 00:29:59,930 and the certain increased cost to come. 159 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,180 As a result, I suggest we need to find a way to induce younger people to move or locate 160 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:12,020 here permanently. How does that get done? I suggest we need to find a way to bring high 161 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:17,220 paying jobs to more county. During the meeting there was also a discussion about the land 162 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:23,860 use plan. I suggest a portion of our approximately 450,000 acres of land be made available 163 00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:29,240 for companies that can provide high paying jobs that will be necessary to attract those 164 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,300 was younger workers. 165 00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:34,680 That would necessitate extending necessary infrastructure 166 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,440 to any potentially newly identified appropriate sites. 167 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,980 The clock is ticking. 168 00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:42,380 Imagine more. 169 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,700 Also during that last meeting, school 170 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,680 disrepresentative is reported on future capital requirements. 171 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,580 It was reported that being a tier three county essentially 172 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:56,600 makes more county ineligible for state funding. 173 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,820 My recommendation is change the state structure. 174 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,140 North Carolina has physically the 27th largest state by land area in the U.S. 175 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:14,140 We have 100 counties. Only six states have more counties than does North Carolina. 176 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,960 Five of those states are physically larger than North Carolina. Only one is smaller. 177 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:24,540 My suggestion is to reduce the number of counties the state has. 178 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:34,200 I've attached an estimate of the cost savings for the state and local governments if this 179 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,320 were to be done, which I've given to your clerk. 180 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:41,260 The number estimated is $20 billion per year. 181 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:48,540 That's savings of nearly $1,850 per year per North Carolina resident. 182 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,720 Every man, woman, and child. 183 00:31:51,880 --> 00:32:02,220 For comparison, every one cent in property tax reduction here in Moore County saves every man, woman, and child in Moore County approximately $24. 184 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:03,740 Thank you. 185 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:04,680 Thank you, John. 186 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:06,540 Megan Spearing. 187 00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:16,870 Hello, my name is Megan Spearing. 188 00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:17,930 I live in Southern. 189 00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:20,910 Can you hear me now? 190 00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:21,270 Okay. 191 00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:23,190 I live in Southern Pines. 192 00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:24,670 My name is Megan Spearing. 193 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:26,150 I am an Air Force veteran. 194 00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:32,310 When I was in the military, I was military intelligence, specifically an imagery analyst. 195 00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:38,450 I'm giving you this information because I have a unique insight into why more counties should 196 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:41,830 not have flock cameras, and that reason is being national security. 197 00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:49,350 I know that sounds alarmist and dare I say crazy, however, part of my duties were to 198 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,390 identify track and neutralize targets. 199 00:32:51,390 --> 00:33:02,570 But when I was in, this was done with drones, CTT footage, phones, and any other resource 200 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:03,930 we had available to us. 201 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:12,770 If Flock had been in those countries, specifically OEF, OIF, that would have made my life, my 202 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:14,690 job a million times easier. 203 00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:22,250 It literally made the, gave me all of the information that I needed. 204 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:27,030 It would have made our lives so easy. 205 00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:30,290 Flock has notoriously weak cybersecurity. 206 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:33,710 The enemy has amazing hackers. 207 00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:39,370 They have hacked public works and even the FBI, so Flock would be child's play for them. 208 00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:46,370 Now you may be thinking why would the enemy be interested in Moore County? Moore County 209 00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:53,070 is home to many special forces members as well as other military personnel. It is also 210 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:58,750 home to many contractors that also do a large portion of the intel work for the special 211 00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:05,990 forces. Flock cameras in Moore County are creating a pattern of life intel that can 212 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:08,070 being used against our own warfighters. 213 00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:10,630 And it is not even secured properly. 214 00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:13,630 It isn't secret that Moore County 215 00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:14,890 is home to special operators. 216 00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:17,750 I was scrolling on Facebook last night 217 00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:19,430 and I saw a meme about special ops 218 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:23,010 and it's specifically named Southern Pines, North Carolina. 219 00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:26,170 I took a screenshot so if you guys wanna see it, 220 00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:27,170 I can show it to you. 221 00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:29,990 I contend that we have a duty 222 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:32,030 not to make the enemy's job easier 223 00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:36,650 and not to place our service members at risk. 224 00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:39,490 I just want to finish up with two points. 225 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:43,230 The first is our government has banned cars from China 226 00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:47,830 due to the slight risk and concern that cameras in the cars may be spying. 227 00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:51,270 Sorry. 228 00:34:51,610 --> 00:34:53,910 The second is that Flock is a money grab. 229 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:57,970 They get contracts from town, cities, and even private corporations. 230 00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:06,470 They collect and own the data that they receive from our roads. 231 00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:14,190 They then sell the data that we are paying them because we rent out their equipment. 232 00:35:15,010 --> 00:35:19,550 And they sell that data to other companies to include insurance companies, 233 00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:23,430 which in fact will raise our premiums. 234 00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:25,650 That's neither here nor there. 235 00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:36,400 So, sorry. But basically, I'm just going to finish on something that I learned all too 236 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,180 well when I was in the military. And that is the intended target is rarely the only thing 237 00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:48,880 hit in a strike. You may not be the target, but you could be collateral damage. Thank 238 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,060 you. 239 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:49,740 Thank you. 240 00:35:56,130 --> 00:36:00,490 All right. If you'll hold for your clapping, we don't allow that in public 241 00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:04,370 speaking and we'll try to get through this. Ellis Dominic. 242 00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:13,860 Hey, Ellis Dominic from Pine Bluff. Nice to see you again, commissioners. You've heard 243 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:18,420 me talk about Flock and its dangers and problems for the last two months. I'm not going to 244 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:22,340 talk about that this time. I'm just going to say thank you to all my fellow Moore County 245 00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:28,740 citizens for coming out. We are a growing group of people. We are bipartisan and 246 00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:32,760 we are not going to go away until we ensure that our Fourth Amendment rights are secure 247 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:39,520 from warrantless seizures. Thank you. Thank you Alice. Linda Hoover. 248 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,720 I'm Linda 249 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:52,600 Hoover. I live in Sanford and according to your rules because I pay sales tax in 250 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,320 Moore County that I'm allowed to speak. I lived in Moore County for 25 years 251 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,660 until a few years ago I moved to Tramway and but I 90% of the time I work in 252 00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:06,820 this county and probably at least 90% of the time I do all my shopping in 253 00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:13,200 this county. So I still consider myself to be very close to more county. I do have concerns 254 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,980 about the flock cameras or what are called automatic license plate readers. And my concern 255 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:24,800 is certainly with those is that when we talk about if you're doing nothing wrong, then 256 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,980 why is it an issue? But who's going to consider what's wrong, right? That definition can 257 00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:38,740 always be expanded. Recently in Texas, a police department checked 83,000 cameras over 6,700 258 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:45,480 networks trying to track a woman who did nothing illegal. So that becomes, you know, a violation 259 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,380 of our Fourth Amendment rights. And I realize that you have the weighty responsibility between 260 00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:58,620 keeping your people safe, but also maintaining our freedoms. And so there's also the cases 261 00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:03,060 of people's stock of officers. Unfortunately, we know that there are many, many, many good 262 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:07,140 law enforcement. But then there's that handful that are now using these to stalk people. 263 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,840 So now, as you become concerned about that as well, and like it has been said, that the 264 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,760 cameras have been shown not to really increase the safety of our communities. And so they 265 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,100 also say, believe the software. But now there have been false arrests. And now it's 266 00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:26,220 upon the individual to prove you're innocent, 267 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,940 so you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, 268 00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:31,380 rather than you're innocent until proven guilty. 269 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:32,640 So there's those. 270 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,040 So it becomes, again, how far is enough 271 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,580 with our, I realize there's a lot of surveillance, 272 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,620 but how far is enough? 273 00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:40,380 Is it, are we finally gonna end it 274 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:42,420 with it being like George Orwell's 1984 275 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,080 and we've got cameras in our houses? 276 00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:45,880 So thank you for your time. 277 00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:46,800 Thank you, Linda. 278 00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:50,100 Our last speaker at the scene will be Jim Peterson. 279 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:56,950 Hello everyone, I'll be real fast. 280 00:38:56,950 --> 00:39:01,670 I've been researching about these flock cameras and like municipal cops and sheriff deputies 281 00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:07,090 I know they all love them and I get it why because it makes their jobs a lot easier and 282 00:39:07,090 --> 00:39:08,430 they're having good success using them. 283 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:12,950 But I do have some fourth amendment concerns and one arguments I heard people saying well 284 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:15,530 if you're not doing anything wrong or illegal you have nothing to worry about. 285 00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:21,310 Something that popped in my head was sometimes right or wrong can be subjective and I'm 286 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:26,050 thinking about J6 looks what happened to people that just wanted to peacefully listen 287 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:27,310 and to their president speak. 288 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:29,730 What happened to me, J6, I wasn't even there. 289 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:31,550 I get blamed for everything all the time. 290 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:35,890 2021, DOJ put out a letter, 291 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:39,310 pretty much labeling grandma speaking at school boards 292 00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:41,070 as extremists and domestic terrorists. 293 00:39:42,350 --> 00:39:45,910 2023, it was found out that FBI was surveilling Catholics 294 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,050 as some kind of domestic extremists. 295 00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:51,530 So, yeah, it can be subjective, right and wrong. 296 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:52,870 And then I'm thinking like, 297 00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:55,570 look, 10, 15, 20 years down the road from now, 298 00:39:55,570 --> 00:40:00,810 God forbid, like the DSA took over, would if they labeled Jews and Catholics, I mean Jews 299 00:40:00,810 --> 00:40:05,670 and Christians as extremists and used flock crammers, or how much they improved upon them 300 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:07,310 then to round up Jews and Christians. 301 00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:08,450 Thank you. 302 00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:09,330 That's all I have to say about that. 303 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:16,380 No, no, let's go ahead and hold it, guys. 304 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:21,100 All right, we'll go to Wayne for our manager's report this evening. 305 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:23,180 Thank you, Vice Chairman Bunkenin. 306 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,000 I have nothing additional to provide. 307 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,640 Thank you. 308 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,300 Okay. 309 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,560 Commissioner's comments. 310 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,440 We'll start up first. Have you got anything? 311 00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:33,520 No, I just understand that we do hear everything we know, 312 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,200 and because we don't say anything in our response, 313 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,840 because we don't during public speaking. 314 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,580 We have our opinions on it. 315 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,680 But each one of us is going to do their own due diligence 316 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,300 and go through everything. 317 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,040 So it's not going to be, we're not just listening to someone 318 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,440 with their thoughts. 319 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,480 We're going to add those to our research, what we know, 320 00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:57,220 And guess what I used to do? 321 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:58,900 Yeah. 322 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,100 Well, I was one of those green berets that you talked about. 323 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600 So all my neighborhood is SF and other people. 324 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,560 So I understand it's not falling on deaf ears. 325 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,100 We're going to have a work session next week, two weeks. 326 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,700 And then we'll hammer out a lot of things from there 327 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,880 and then we'll come to our conclusion. 328 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:19,360 But understand it's not falling on deaf ears 329 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,800 and you're not being ignored. 330 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:22,220 Thank you. 331 00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:31,090 Thanks. First of all, thank you for your service to our country. I have utmost respect for all veterans. 332 00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:41,050 We did. Ellis, he had sent me a couple of emails. As you can see, summer schedules are weird. 333 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:45,070 We got two commissioners not here tonight. It's hard to get everybody together. 334 00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:51,070 But as soon as we got the feeling that this was happening as far as the flock 335 00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:57,170 and a lot of concerns, a lot of good information, but also misinformation. There's always all 336 00:41:57,170 --> 00:42:04,210 that. And so I, as the chairman, I had a work session scheduled with the law enforcement 337 00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:13,450 in the Ryan Center August 17th, 4 p.m. That's on a Monday. August 17th, 4 p.m., the public 338 00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:19,950 is invited. At this time, we'll be requesting him to answer a lot of these questions 339 00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:25,530 that you have presented so that we can understand the way this works I know you 340 00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:30,350 most of you don't come to most of our meetings and I get that when I was not a 341 00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:33,870 commissioner I didn't come either I depended on these guys that were sitting 342 00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:41,450 up here to do what was right when we had the flock contract main mainly what we 343 00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:45,430 do we had discussion with the sheriff he had pretty much said it was a good 344 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:52,890 tool our legal part of it is to make sure our attorney goes through the contract 345 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:57,530 to make sure there's no loopholes or whatever and it fits all legal 346 00:42:57,530 --> 00:43:02,850 requirements and then we vote on it. We didn't vote on it as to its effectiveness 347 00:43:02,850 --> 00:43:09,010 or that we depended on another elected official to actually implement this. 348 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:15,070 So I think it's very important given the concern of our folks and we do 349 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:20,230 work for you that you have that opportunity on August 17th to come and hear 350 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:25,690 answers to these questions that you have. As a matter of fact I have one too 351 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:29,830 because when I hear somebody like say makes a statement I won't know where the 352 00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:35,310 proof is or is it just hearsay. And unfortunately in our world with all the 353 00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:38,950 YouTube's and the Facebook's and everything there's more misinformation 354 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:43,910 out there than there's actual fact. So we'll depend on our elected 355 00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:49,350 to the sheriff and his crew to give us the answers straight from those that use it. 356 00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:54,590 And then we'll see what we actually end up doing once we get that information. 357 00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:57,770 And but yeah, yes ma'am. 358 00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:58,430 But 359 00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:03,470 you know what my questions are? 360 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:04,070 Sure. 361 00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:06,950 If you want to send them to the clerk, absolutely send them. 362 00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:09,730 I think that would be very helpful. 363 00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:14,490 A lot of them already have come to us, but sure, if you can get them to us, we surely 364 00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:18,510 get them to them and have them answer those questions you deserve than answer. 365 00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:23,430 Yes ma'am. That's all I have. Thanks. That was good. Thank you for doing that. 366 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:27,030 First of all, thank you all for coming out tonight and voice your 367 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:31,050 opinion and everything and there always is two sides to the story and we try 368 00:44:31,050 --> 00:44:34,870 to get the groups together and make the best decision we can up here. Not 369 00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:38,090 going to make everybody happy. What I would challenge you to do this 370 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:42,470 evening though is to go home and call a family member or a friend that 371 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:47,030 you haven't seen in ages and it's getting older and whatever because you know 372 00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:50,550 once they get in the paper it's too late and I'm sure everybody out there has 373 00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:55,530 one person they've been meaning to call for the last month or six months or 374 00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:59,970 whatever so other than that that's all I've got this 375 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000 I need a motion to adjourn. 376 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:05,780 A motion to adjourn the meeting? 377 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:06,480 Second. 378 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,100 Okay. 379 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,520 All right. 380 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,420 All in favor? 381 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,100 Aye. 382 00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:10,640 Aye. 383 00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:11,020 Aye. 384 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,040 The ayes have it. 385 00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,840 The motion carries unanimously. 386 00:45:14,380 --> 00:45:15,860 Y'all have a good safe evening.