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Good evening. I'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the Moor Park City Council for September 2, 2020, and we'll mark Shigar's from the volunteers in policing. Please lead us in the pledge.

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court please take roll?

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Good evening.

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Some member Barrett.

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Council member Castro.

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Present.

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Council member Gargato.

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Present.

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Council member Means.

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Present.

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Mayor Integrant.

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Present.

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Excited.

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Ms. Four.

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Proclamations and Commendations.

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Forays a Certificate of Recognition to Mark Shigaras

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for attaining over 10,000 volunteer hours

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with more park police departments volunteering in police program.

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Mark, we come meet you up in front.

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For you.

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Today, we recognize and celebrate

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a remarkable member of our community.

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Mark, who along his family made more park his home 38 years ago.

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Mark often says that our city's logo could be very well read, welcome.

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You reach the end of the rainbow.

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A sentiment that reflects both his love for this community and the spirit he brings to it.

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In 2011, after observing our volunteers and policing program in action,

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on many occasions, Mark decided to join their ranks.

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We want to contribute directly to the safety and well-being of more park,

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over the past 15 years he's done exactly that. His mission has always been simple,

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the cheerfully provide whatever support the police department needs. As Mark himself puts it,

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this is the best job I've ever had. The support knowledge transfer and interaction with the

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sheriff's department personnel are fantastic. Mark's contributions have been exceptional among them,

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which is serving as a VIP field training officer bringing 10 new volunteers on board,

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Coordinating VIP teams and working numerous all-hands call-out events that require extended traffic control,

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scene security, and other essential duties, volunteering at every third of July event and surviving the Egress each time.

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We've got to fix that someday.

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Over seeing weekly testing and calibration by the Crime Lab, the Department, and CHP's portable blood alcohol testing equipment.

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Responding to hundreds of calls for service assigned to VIPs, issuing parking enforcement

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citations as needed, connecting more than 50 home security assessments to help keep

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our residents safe, assisting with numerous registrations for the cognitive impairment

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registration program.

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Is dedication has not gone unnoticed, since becoming a volunteer, Mark has received an

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impressive 13 commendations recognizing his outstanding service, reliability and commitment

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to our community.

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When asked how it feels to have achieved this extraordinary milestone of 10,000 hours of

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service, Mark's response was immediate.

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Every one of those hours, I was accompanied by another VIP, being part of a great team is what

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makes this great job.

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Today we honor Mark not only for his service, but for the heart, dedication, humility,

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he brings some more part.

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His impact is immeasurable and our community is truly fortunate to have him as a part of the

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team.

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Mark, I've got to see all of you driving around, smiling, and doing a great job out there.

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Thank you so much.

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I'd

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like to thank the City Council and City Management for establishing and supporting the volunteer and policing program.

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It's a real pleasure to be able to directly give back every volunteer, can directly give back to the community in which we live.

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And, along with that, we also get to work and we have the honor and the privilege of working

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with the Sheriff's Department, something not very many people get the opportunity to do.

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So we're part of the Sheriff's Team and the City Team and it feels great.

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So thank you to all of you for making it happen for all of us.

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I just say a couple of words one, my math isn't very good, which is why I got in the law enforcement

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in the first place.

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You know, 10,000 hours. So just a 40-hour work week. That's just under five years worth of volunteering, which is profound. And we're extremely grateful, Mark, for all the help that you've given our deputies throughout the years.

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Your knowledge and experience, your mentor also to some of our new deputies in guiding them. So that does not go and notice. So thank you very much for everything you've done.

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But we're also thankful for all of you, all the volunteer work that you do.

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You allow us to handle priority issues and concerns in the city.

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You're helping out with traffic, helping out with parking citations, and things that our

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deputies would be doing otherwise, and so it's greatly appreciated.

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So thank you to each of you.

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And I'd love to be able to get Mayor, if you're okay with photo with all of our volunteers

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and mark up here.

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So if you could have you all come up real quick,

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I'm going to move this mic out of the way.

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You won't be checking parking on the parking lot right now for citations right I need to be right back.

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Make sure to say if I appreciate that in the program.

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Excuse me.

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All right.

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Next item is five public comment.

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Are there any speakers?

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Yes, Mr. Mayor.

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I've received three speaker cards under a public comment this evening.

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Our first speaker will be Daniel.

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Followed by your Washington or a Gandhi.

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Probably got that wrong.

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So Daniel, you have three minutes to.

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address the council under public on that.

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All right.

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Good evening, Council staff.

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There was a written supplemental for agenda item 10A,

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as well as a written public comment submitted today.

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I'm in most of my presentations today will be via those.

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So I'm just drawing attention to them now.

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It's an eight page fiscal review of item 10A directly

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to the city clerk for the official record.

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Highlights keep policy concerns regarding uncapped

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rate escalators and technology paths through risks.

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I urge the Council to direct staff to address the explicit recommendations, or at least

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consider them, on page 8 before initiating the CFD formation.

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I'm married previously indicated that Flock would return as an agenda discussion.

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It's not on tonight's agenda.

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I submitted a short illustrated public education exhibit explaining why this cannot remain

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Bari at Insight Contracts, police budgets or vendor substitutions.

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Please, please, please, flock and any proposed action replacement on a properly noticed

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agenda before renewal, expansion, replacement or further interrogation.

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I see that they already issued a supplemental correcting the math there on ten D, but there

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we're eight other questions attached with a supplemental that made the public record on that

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as well. Thank you very much, and enjoy the supplementals. Thank you. The graphics are cool,

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but they don't look like me, though. I'm sorry, but very wrinkled in the old.

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Thanks. And our next speaker is, I'm going to try it again. Yes, I'll want to work on

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the, I know, how to say the last name. Who will be followed by a secret role? We'll

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All

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right, honorable mayor, respected city council members and distinguished members of the mayor's office and everyone else that's listening.

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My name is Yash or Ganti, and I'm part of the Hindu community of more part as well as a...

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The reason I'm here today is we are celebrating a rupture of London, which is a festival that holds a very special place in the hearts of millions of Hindus around the world. The word rupture means protection and abundant means connection. Together, it symbolizes a promise, a commitment to care for one another, to stand together and to uphold harmony in our community. Traditionally rupture of London is celebrated between siblings and the world.

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where a sister ties a secret thread called Rocky around her brother's wrist.

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But over time this festival has grown beyond family boundaries

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and has become a symbol of unity, gratitude, and mutual respect.

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And that is why we are here today.

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This thread represents our gratitude for your guy's leadership.

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Our respect for your dedication, our trust, and the work you guys do every single day.

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and our commitment to stand together as one unified community.

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More work is a city where diversity is not just present, it's embraced.

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We come from different backgrounds, cultures, and different traditions.

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Yet, we share the same streets, the same schools, the same parks, and the same hope for our families.

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Festivals like Ruksham Bundan Reminds that Unity is created by the understanding that we are all one family.

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In Hindu culture, we believe that leadership is a sacred responsibility.

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A leader is someone who protects guides and uplifts people.

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By tying this rocket, we symbolically acknowledge that responsibility and express

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our support for your continued efforts to keep our cities safe and strong.

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We also want to express our appreciation for the openness and warmth

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with which MoPARC has welcomes,

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which with which MoPARC welcomes cultural traditions.

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We thank you for giving us these few minutes

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to share about our tradition.

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It means a great deal to us.

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And we hope this small gesture

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becomes a symbol of the bond between the Hindi community

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and the city leadership, a bond of respect,

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unity and mutual support.

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On behalf of the entire community,

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thank you for your time, your service,

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and your commitment to the people of Mopark. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Our last speaker under public comment is,

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Oh boy,

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Siguro,

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Bonapali.

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Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

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My name is Guru Boopali and I'm currently a freshman

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at Mopark High School.

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It is an honor to be here today.

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Once again, we would like to sincerely thank the Mayor

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and City Council for giving us this opportunity

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to express our gratitude and share traditions.

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It was a privilege to celebrate Rakshalman with all of you today.

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By tying the rakhi and sharing the meaning behind this beautiful tradition, we hope

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we are able to give you a glimpse into the values of family, respect, love and togetherness

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that are so important to others, and our culture.

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As we look ahead, I would also like to speak about another Hindu festival coming up in October

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and November.

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The Vali, the Vali represents the victory of light over darkness, knowledge over ignorance and good over evil, but the Vali is not only about celebration.

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It is also about giving back and serving others.

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As part of the Hindu community, we participate in the Vali, where communities come together to organize food drives, volunteer activities, donations, and other service projects to support those in need.

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With the volley approaching, I would like to respectfully request two things from our city.

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First, we ask the city to support and recognize the volley and the service activities organized via our community.

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We would love to work together with the city to encourage residents to participate and give back to our community.

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Second, as we have previously proposed, we ask the city to consider celebrating the

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valley as an official city festival.

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This would allow our entire community to come together, learn about Hindu traditions,

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enjoy cultural performances, and celebrate the values of unity, service, and togetherness.

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We are grateful for the growing recognition of Hindu traditions and the valley in California,

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and we hope our city can continue to be part of that progress.

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Thank you Mayor and City Council for welcoming our community,

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listening to us and giving us the opportunity to share our culture.

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We look forward to celebrating the volley with all of you

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and bringing its spirit of light and service to our community.

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Community. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. And that was the final public speaker under public comment.

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Thank you.

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Exciting to six, ordering of the agenda. I think need to be pulled to reorder.

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I would like to pull 80.

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Anything else?

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want to item seven, announcements, future agenda items and reports of meetings,

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a conversation by council members and mayor.

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Start with Mr. Reeds.

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I'll thank you Mr. Mayor.

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With past couple weeks, I've done a couple very interesting things.

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One, I flew to New York City and attempted an event at the New York City Public Library.

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It was exceptional.

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While it's a much grander scale than even what more park is going to have.

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They're use of collections and using the house of knowledge in the public place in order to engage people and bring them in

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and create a public discussion was exceptional.

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I look forward to more part of finding a way to do that in its own way.

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So I continue to find myself in those environments exploring.

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And that was on 822.

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On 826, along with Council Member Barrett and the more part morning

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rotary, we had the pleasure of putting on a police services police

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services station barbecue.

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I'm struggling today.

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A police service is barbecue at our station here with both CHP and the deputies, as I know

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all of you know, but as a reminder, we're the only location in California that has a single

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building that houses two separate law enforcement agencies, CHP and local deputies, and

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to see them work together to keep our communities safe every day as something I'm really proud of.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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An August 20th, I attended the Economic Development Collaboration meeting.

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We reviewed EDC's current financial position, several new continuing regional economic development initiatives, including Small Business Support, Broadband, Fathom Works, and Autonomous Systems.

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We also discussed new partnerships and agreements intended to bring additional resources and opportunities to businesses throughout Ventura County.

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On August 22nd, I attended the Ventura County Animal Services Clear, the Shelter's event.

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Twenty-nine dogs, several of which were long-term dogs, got adopted.

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Twenty-nine cats and kittens, ten bunnies and three guinea pigs for a total of 71 animals were adopted that day.

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On August 28th, I attended more park high school football game, which was a nail biter until the end.

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We did end up beating at Camarillo.

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And on August 29th, they attended the High Street Arts Center Gala.

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Annual Gala is incredibly important and it raises more money for the theater in one evening than all of the shows combined and it helps to ensure the arts continue to thrive right here in more park.

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It was a beautiful evening, lots of fun and a great reminder of how lucky we are to have this historic theater in the heart of our city.

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That's it.

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Mr. Barrett.

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On August 25th, I attended the Tri-County Chamber Alliance board meeting on August 26th,

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I, along with Council of Modern Remains, attended the Public Safety Recognition Barbecue,

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it was a great event, and great to thank our wonderful law enforcement for all that they

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do for us here in Morbark.

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On August 29th, I attended the High Street Arts Center

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Gala, along with Councilman Dogado.

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Wonderful event, as always, they put on a great, great evening,

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and if you have not been, I would highly recommend marking your calendar

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for next August, for that event.

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On September 1st, they attended the Morpher Chamber mixer at Sedora, home and gift store

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here and more park.

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If you have not been to Sedora, they are located over in the center where hems on fresh

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used to be, and it is a great place to buy gifts and home to gore, and please check that

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So this afternoon, I attended the Roshka Badan ceremony that our local Hindu community did

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right here in.

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At City Hall, and got these threads tied around my wrists, along with mayor and aggrant.

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So it was a beautiful ceremony, and very, very nice to hear all the kind words, and especially the children speaking up and their involvement in recognizing the city and what happens here.

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So, I do have a future agenda item as well that I would like to add for discussing data centers.

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Okay,

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it's all due.

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And if there's a consensus with the council, we will address that at future council meeting.

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All right, thank you.

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Is it?

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Okay.

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at the Council Member Barrett,

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Tender the Raksha Bandun ceremony,

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which I'm probably gonna butcher this.

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I've tried to write it down and make sure I knew it right,

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but symbolizes protection, gratitude,

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and the bond of goodwill,

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and it's something that they present to public servants,

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they want to do our council,

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and they also do the police station

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and other services like that.

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And it's a great tradition,

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really wonderful people came out and really appreciate that. It was really nice to see that.

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And then I also attended the Administrative Finance and Public Safety meeting with Council Member

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Mayor Pro Tem Castro. Just a minute ago. And that is all I have to report. I've got a few announcements here.

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Sign up now for fall classes at the Royal Vista Recreation Center. Programs offered include tennis, pickleball, golf, basketball,

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baking, arts, and crafts, science, and more. For details and to register visit, see you website

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at moreparksca.gov slash classes. Movies in the park are USA 250 and a

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Versary American Movie Road Trip continues on Saturday, September 12th, the screening of

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Super 8. Movie will be shown in a Royal Vista Park starting at 715 pm. Mission is free

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and food is available for purchase. For details including the full road trip schedule visit

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more parcsia.gov slash movies.

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Finally, put on your blades or quads and join us for Skate Night on Friday, September 18th

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from 6 to 8 p.m.

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Enjoying evening of skating, music and games, plus fun activities, or non-skaters.

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The event takes place at the Rovistic Community Park.

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The theme for September is more park, top 40, so submit your request by September 15th.

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The more information or to submit a song request visit more parcsia.gov slash skate.

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Next, we'll move on to the consent item calendar.

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We pulled item 80, so I'll entertain a motion for the balance.

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I'll move the balance.

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You have a motion in the second.

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We'll need a roll call vote.

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Council member Barrett.

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Council member Delgado.

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Council member Means.

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Council member Castro.

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Hi.

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We'll move to item 80, which is consider approving a two year time extension for residential

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plan development permit number 2005-02, investing tentative track map number 5739, pursuant

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to condition of approval number 2 of city council resolution number 2022-4121, associated with

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the Everett Street Terrace's project. For property located at the intersection of Everett Street,

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and walnut canyon road on the application of Stanley Chu on behalf of John Chu LPN.

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Mr. Erickson.

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Good evening. Honorable Mayor and members of the council. My name is Blake

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Erickson and I'm the assistant planner for the city. I prepared a brief presentation

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for this item, but first I wanted to ask if there were a specific question that the

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council had for me or the applicant or if you'd like me to proceed with my presentation.

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I mean I have several questions, but if you would like to proceed.

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That's fine, go ahead.

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Okay.

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Thank

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you.

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Either way.

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A.D. is a request to approve a two-year time extension for residential planned development permit, number 2005-02, and vesting tentative track map, number 5-739, pursuant to condition of approval, number 2, of city council resolution, number 222-4121, associated with the average street terraces project, at the intersection of average street and walnut canyon road.

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The applicant first applied for project entitlements in December 2005, and the project was approved by the City Council on September 7, 2022, for a 60-attached multi-family residential-codominium units on 2.44 acres.

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The entitlements were initially set to expire two years after approval with provisions allowing additional extensions based on certain findings.

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The community development director previously granted two one-year extensions in August 2024 and August 2025.

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Those extensions bring the current expiration date to September 7th, 2022.

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As the project has exhausted all time extensions that may be granted by the community development director,

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The applicant, Stanley Chu, on behalf of John Chu, LPN, is now requesting a two-year time extension from the city council.

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In their extension request letter, the applicant's sites economic disruptions to the construction financing environment caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, continued financing, market headwinds, following the pandemic,

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And there efforts to advance the project forward, including pursuing prior extensions, participating in annual development agreement reviews, maintaining communications with the city through land use consultants, engaging developers and builders, contacting financial institutions regarding construction financing, and continuing to assess project feasibility as market conditions evolve.

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In evaluating the request, staff considered the findings contained in condition number 2 of resolution

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number 222-4121. Specifically, whether there have been changes in the adjacent area that

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would warrant reconsideration of the approval of the approved project and whether the applicant

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has demonstrated diligent efforts towards use in auguration. Staff has found that there

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approved project and that the applicant has demonstrated diligent efforts towards use and

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inauguration consistent with the basis provided in their extension request.

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If the time extension request is approved by the City Council, the existing entitlements

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would expire on September 7, 2028 unless a final map is recorded and a building permit issued

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which would inaugurate the use.

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The proposed action does not modify the previously approved project and staff has determined

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that no subsequent environmental review is required under

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sequela.

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Therefore, staff recommends that the council

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approve a two-year time extension for residential

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plan development permit number 2005-02, and vesting tentative

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track map number 5-739, pursuant to condition of approval

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number 2 of city council resolution number 2022-4121, thereby

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extending the expiration date to September 7, 2021. This

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concludes my presentation. Staff's available for any questions, and the applicant Stanley

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Chu is here to answer any questions the council has related to their extension request.

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Thank you. There are any questions to staff?

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Yes. So I don't know, maybe this is better for the applicant, or you can decide.

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In the four years since the 2022 approval, what tangible milestones, or are there any other tangible

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milestones to be had aside from investigating, financing, or other developers,

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that makes sense

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for us to just continue this in additional two years.

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Thank you, Council Member.

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I'll ask that, Mr. Stanley, to approach on that item.

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Boy, thank you for the question.

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And thank you for considering this request during extension.

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It's a really viable project that has faced some pretty big headwinds.

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Councilmember Delgado, you asked about tangible milestones in the last four years.

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We've met with three different development organizations, and the challenge we're facing is

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the perform of the project today, which is very different than it did when the project was entitled.

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COVID drove escalation in the building industry that is just the cost of doing this job is really different than it was before.

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The developers brought that to our attention, and we are struggling. We're working hard to bring this project to fruition.

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But the reality is between escalation and then, you know, as Blake mentioned, another pretty significant thing is that the increase in interest rates has not yet come down.

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So the cost of getting that we need more money

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and the cost of getting money has increased.

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And then on top of that, my father has been

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through a pretty significant illness,

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which really limited our ability to respond

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to these challenges.

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We believe in the project.

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It was, I would say, in some ways collaboratively

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created with the city of More Park.

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It responds to a need.

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It's in a fantastic location.

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It's so close to the transit station, the rail line.

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It's just, we need a little more time to make it happen.

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Does that answer your question?

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Yes, but in two more years, we can only predict that cost will probably continue to go up.

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Is the two years are you just hoping for interest rates to come down?

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Since that's kind of, it's either cost or interest rates for both.

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It's it's it's it's the whole pro forma getting getting the thing depends on we're confident that

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Interest rates are going to go down and then our finances will be in a place to get the project started

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So so where do they need to come down what what level do they need to come down to to be able to make this a feasible

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Project. Yeah, I don't know that I can just answer that off the top of my head. Okay, so we we have been seeking development partners

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So some of this is a kind of a dance or collaboration with a development group.

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So it's an extremely viable project so it's got that going on.

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It's a great project.

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I've been looking forward to it.

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If you're interested in being involved in it, we'd invite you to.

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You can make all this happen next week.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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I do have one question for staff.

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If this project were to expire, what could potentially happen with the lot and another developer?

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You don't want to know.

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Thank you, Councilmember.

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So the entitlements that we're talking about the vesting tentative map and the residential

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plan development permit, they are also linked to a development agreement, which I believe

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will be valid through 2040.

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Is that right?

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Probably.

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42.

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Thank you.

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So that would put the applicant in a position if the entitlements were to expire to seek to either

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re-entitle the project as it was proposed or bring back some alternative project and seek an

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to their development agreements.

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Those are kind of the scenarios we'd looking at.

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But essentially, in a lot of ways, Mr. Chu would

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be starting over.

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He would have to design that project

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through planning commission city council

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and environmental review.

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OK.

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Thank you.

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What a one-year extension suffice

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or are you looking for, too?

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I think, too, is safer.

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I think, too, is safer.

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All right, question.

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Where does your plan if we're in the same spot in two years?

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Well, I think that we are going to be able to adjust the scope of the project to keep

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that from happening.

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So we may end up, it's hard, I mean, the only thing I could do is stand here and speculate.

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So I think we can make it happen.

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Questions?

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It's a great project.

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Do we have any other public comment?

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No, Mr. Mayor, that is the only speaker current I have on the side of.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for considering it.

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So.

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No, I just wanted to hear if they still thought it would be feasible in two years

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and what exactly they were waiting for besides interest rates.

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It's fine.

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I mean, I'm fine with moving it forward.

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I just wanted to make sure we were going to continue to extend and extend

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extent on the project that might not be viable anymore. Right. The alternative to

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approving it doesn't sound. It's the alternative, right. Multiple reasons.

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Any other comments or discussions?

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Okay.

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I want to do it.

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Oh, sure.

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I would move that we are granting extension.

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Okay, second motion in a second, but it means

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and we'll need a roll call vote.

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Can't remember how to add it. I can't remember means I can't remember bear it. I can't

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remember Castro may remember. All

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right next is I'm nine public hearings. There are none.

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We'll move on to item 10. 10 A is a consider the police services fiscal impact.

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Clerk analysis for proposed citywide community facilities district. Mr. Lawrence,owski.

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Thank you, Mayor, and members of the City Council. In April of last year, staff presented a agenda report to the City Council regarding the creation of a citywide community facilities district.

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As you recall, this was completed in parallel with the Bell Trauma Ranch, CFD. However, because CFDs offer a wide range of facilities and services that could be included in a citywide CFD.

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the City Council directed staff to bring back a future gender report regarding the creation

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of a citywide CFD that also considers funding for future police services that will be necessary

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as the City New Year's Build-out.

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So in October of last year, the City Council approved an agreement with SCI Consulting Group

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to assist the city with the formation of a citywide CFD.

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The agreement included a three-phase approach in which phase one involves the preparation

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of a financial impact analysis related to police services.

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So with that, I would like to introduce Blair Us with SCI, who will summarize the findings

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outlined in the IA. Blair is attending us via Zoom tonight.

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So I will go through the presentation for Blair.

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Well, thank you, Jeremy, and good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, and Council members.

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For tonight, I think it'd be best if I just started with the question that this analysis

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was prepared to answer.

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So more park does not have its own police department.

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The city contracts with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office and that contract is really

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the single largest service cost in the city's general fund.

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As the city approves doing developments under its General Plan 2050, the Sheriff's Office has to expand what it provides.

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So there's going to be more residents, more businesses, more calls, more deployed hours, etc.

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And that expansion has a cost and that and the city pays that under the contract.

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So now new development also generates revenue, property tax revenue, sales tax revenue,

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other reoccurring revenue sources.

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So the question that we are asking is relatively straightforward, will the revenue covered

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by the added police cost generated by City Approved New Development Projects, will the revenue

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cover those costs or will there be a shortfall that would negatively impact the city's

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find in the city's finances.

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So one point I'd like to emphasize before we go any further, you know,

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whatever comes out of this applies only to future development that hasn't been built yet.

462
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:37,520
There's nothing here that changes what existing residents or businesses pay. So to answer that

463
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:46,200
question, the first thing that we need to do is to measure the growth itself. So, Jeremy,

464
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:47,700
if you could advance the next slide.

465
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,560
So, every number in this analysis traces back to the

466
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:06,120
city's general plan. We didn't build any of our own growth forecasts. We used the cities

467
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:12,040
adopted forecasts, so the analysis rests on that document that's already been approved by the

468
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:21,540
Council. And that plan projects roughly 5,500 new dwelling units and another 7,300 new

469
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:25,620
jobs at build out of the plan.

470
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,500
So for this analysis, we need one number that captures

471
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:40,840
how much police demand that that growth is going to generate. And that's what that surface

472
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:48,860
population represents. It's a combination of residents and workers, because police, the police

473
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:57,660
serve the people who live here and who work here in shop here, right? So, apply to the city

474
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:59,960
projections, new development.

475
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:12,920
Development is projected to add about 19,700 growth in the service population. So from roughly 40,000 to 60,000. And again, that's service population.

476
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:29,460
So that single number drives everything on the next two slides. So that's the, this is the demand sites. And the next question is what are the costs to serve that new demand?

477
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,580
What are the cost of tributable to that new demand?

478
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,960
So the approach here is deliberately simple.

479
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,460
We're not projecting a future police budget.

480
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,240
We're not trying to anticipate what that's going to look like in 10, 15, 20 years.

481
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,480
What we're asking is what is the cost to serve one person today

482
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,280
And then use that to apply to future growth.

483
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,860
So there's two things about what's in that cost.

484
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:12,660
So first we've counted only reoccurring costs.

485
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,280
So the cost of the current contract and vehicles and equipment that it provides.

486
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:27,200
So capital facilities like police stations and substations

487
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,580
are handled through development and tax fees so they're not included in this analysis.

488
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:38,400
Secondly, we only use part of the budget that actually grows with the city.

489
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:46,180
So some departments grow a lot with service population and some budgets barely at all.

490
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:53,020
So we went through department by department and keeping only that share that responds to growth.

491
00:41:53,020 --> 00:42:00,060
And of course, police is at the top of that range, but roughly that works out to be total budget

492
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,400
about 46% of the total.

493
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:14,120
And then breaking that down, that results to about $223 per person per year, or roughly $4.4 million

494
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,120
annually at build out.

495
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,460
And again, we're talking at build out, but again, this is in current dollars.

496
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:23,180
That's typical with this type of an analysis.

497
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,080
So that is actually the cost.

498
00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:32,040
So the next side of the is the other side of the ledger, which is the revenues.

499
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:37,560
So new development, of course, is going to generate real revenue.

500
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,280
And in this analysis, we've given it full credit for all of it.

501
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:54,320
property tax revenue, property tax in lieu of vehicle license fee, transfer taxes, sales taxes in any other reoccurring general fund revenue sources.

502
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:58,780
And that's about $8.3 million a year at Bill Naut.

503
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:05,020
But not all of that revenue is available for police.

504
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:11,080
It funds a whole range of city services and so we credit it that new

505
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,900
Credit new developments with police is share of that

506
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,140
Which is using the same that same figure

507
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:25,620
46.3% so that comes down to roughly 3.8 million dollars

508
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,560
so

509
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:34,480
So setting against that 4.4 million dollars in cost

510
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:43,300
And then we credit 3.8, that leads, that covers about 87% of its own police costs.

511
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
So that's, it's close, but it doesn't quite get there.

512
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,880
So the short call, there's, there is a short call projected to come from residential development.

513
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Commercial and industrial development are approximately cost neutral.

514
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,920
So I would characterize them that way rather than a surplus because the results are sensitive

515
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,840
to assumptions about feature residential sales that nobody can really pin down at this stage.

516
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,900
So that's sort of the gap.

517
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:23,220
It's not significant, but it can add up annually and over time.

518
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:28,080
So, here's what it would look like on a per unit basis.

519
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:37,000
So, this table takes the shortfall and turns it into a per unit number.

520
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:45,320
So, the residential gap is divided by the units that are projected to be generated according to the general plan.

521
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:59,960
And that's roughly $111 a year for a new single family home, and then $195 a year for a multi-family housing unit.

522
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:25,520
So two things to note, there's no citywide proposed rate for commercial and industrial, because those categories are already sort of covering their police costs, and these rates recover only the gap, so they don't recover the full cost of police services.

523
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:34,880
Now, if you notice there's a difference between the two housing types, single family and

524
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:42,820
multi-family, that rate is what it costs to serve those residents, but those housing units.

525
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:50,320
It's what's left over after we account for the revenue that's generated by each types

526
00:45:50,320 --> 00:46:01,020
these projects. So multi-family actually costs less to serve, but it also generates a lot less revenue

527
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:12,320
because property tax revenues based upon assess value. And so I believe we have a single

528
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:19,780
family home on averages about $950,000 a unit but a multi-family apartment unit on averages

529
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:27,860
about a half a million dollars. So there's that lot less revenue. So the single family ends up

530
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:36,920
covering about 86% of its own costs, but multi-family covers only 60% of the costs. And so that's the

531
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:46,640
difference between the two rates. So next, let me show you that calculation in the three steps

532
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:55,680
really is just simply. And so this is really the whole analysis on one slide. So what

533
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,140
it takes to serve this new population, again, in current dollars, is about $4.4 million

534
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:12,140
a year. New development is going to generate about $8.3 million in revenue, and they're

535
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:16,920
that share that's attributable to police services is about 3.8.

536
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,920
So subtracting that from $4.4 million of cost,

537
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,460
you're left with an unfunded amount.

538
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,140
And then we simply take the two, the single family,

539
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,420
and the multi-family residential categories.

540
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,860
We just take those deficits divided by the projected number of units

541
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:49,500
to get the cost per year for for each. So again, I want to just sort of underline one thing

542
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:58,200
here. So these are just planning level figures. These are not the proposed actual tax rates.

543
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:06,960
So they don't include CFD administration. They don't include S. Anielescalations. They don't include

544
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,680
other policy directions from the council.

545
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,160
So this is just one phase that sort of lays a foundation

546
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,840
for work to occur when we go to start to form this city-wide

547
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,620
the C-D-wide C-F-D.

548
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,780
And at that C-D-wide C-F formation,

549
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:29,980
the rate and the method

550
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,660
of how these special taxes are determined,

551
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:41,900
And one will be a maximum tax which will set the ceiling and can be lowered but never raised.

552
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,820
And then underneath that will be this annual special tax.

553
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:54,120
It's often a formula which is what the council year after year will use to determine the

554
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,600
levees for that upcoming fiscal year.

555
00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:01,860
And it would be more tied to an analysis like this which supports it.

556
00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:10,520
So the council keeps room at the top, but the levy stays anchored to some actual costs.

557
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:16,460
But again, that's that's work that hasn't been done yet, which will become in the future.

558
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000
So that, so these are how the numbers are built.

559
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:28,500
Let me, let me, uh, close with where we go from here in the next slide.

560
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:36,000
So again, as I mentioned, this is really like the first phase, it establishes an approximate

561
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,480
cost basis. The second phase, if the council gives direction, is to form the citywide

562
00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:49,320
CFD. Conceptually, the one that we brought forward you to last year, and we paused on it because

563
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:57,780
you wanted to consider incorporating police services as a cost component. And so that's the

564
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:59,960
the citywide see if these were the actual race.

565
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,980
Structure is written. And so the CFD would be built upon to carry two cost components, if you recall. So there would be the citywide, there would be the police services cost component, which is what works as discussing today, and then alongside that would be the project specific components, which would be those services that would be unique to the residents.

566
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:38,300
development project in question, and so that is that can vary from project to project, depending

567
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:46,540
upon the unique aspects of what's in that development project, and then additionally, we

568
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:56,080
would propose creating tax zones so that the first developments that forms the CFD and

569
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:11,780
subsequent annexations into that CFD would be put in its own tax zone and would have its own rate for each based upon the police services component and these projects specific components.

570
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:21,340
And they can vary from tax zone to tax zone with uniformity for the CFD wide.

571
00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:28,080
So, every project can carry the police component and then something projects specific.

572
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,700
So, so with that, I'll turn it back to Jeremy.

573
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,000
So, thank you, Billar.

574
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,620
So, City Council, we are simply asking that you would consider this fiscal impact analysis

575
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:51,360
for a citywide community facility district and provide directions to staff, particularly should

576
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,700
We move forward with this, as we develop the citywide CFD.

577
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:57,300
That concludes our report.

578
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Thank you.

579
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,380
Any questions or stuff?

580
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:04,890
Okay.

581
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:09,750
Well, the CFD rates and assumptions be recalculated periodically.

582
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:16,190
Of actual development, city revenues and share of contract costs differently from the projections.

583
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:17,730
Yes.

584
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:23,070
As Blair mentioned, what we would do is we would establish a maximum assessment.

585
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:25,790
And that is the maximum we could ever tax.

586
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:31,530
The actual cost that would be levied for each of the homeowners would be based directly

587
00:52:31,530 --> 00:52:37,350
on what our contractual costs are, so it's the actual cost of what we budget every year

588
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:39,370
for police services.

589
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:43,210
Similar how we structure LMDs in the city.

590
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:46,770
We have an LMD for 20 various communities.

591
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:53,030
There's a maximum ceiling on those LMDs, which is the maximum rate that rate escalates

592
00:52:53,030 --> 00:53:00,070
over your CPI. However, every year, we put together our budget for every L&D, so that amounts

593
00:53:00,070 --> 00:53:05,890
of money that's actually levied for those profiuners is based on our actual budget

594
00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:08,590
rather than any assumptions.

595
00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:17,810
Come one more. Can you clarify which developments would be subject to the CFD from the outset

596
00:53:17,810 --> 00:53:23,330
and which, sorry, would be included only voluntary voluntarily?

597
00:53:23,330 --> 00:53:28,970
So right now, we have seven developments that have development agreements.

598
00:53:29,570 --> 00:53:37,450
Those development agreements are very specific to what can be included in the CFD, specifically

599
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:40,810
landscaping, storm drain facilities, things like that.

600
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:46,910
They do not include police services, hit-range, specific communities, the project we just

601
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:53,490
heard about and several others that have all been entitled and have the development agreement.

602
00:53:54,330 --> 00:54:01,510
So, so we would need voluntary concurrence from those developers to include this police services

603
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:07,170
component into those CFDs as those are developed in the future. We've spoken to some of them

604
00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:15,430
already. There's no real objection to it. It's just at the time. They didn't know the costs and

605
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:20,130
I don't know the cost of this CFD, and I think there will be a value way to as we move

606
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:22,430
in towards developing those CFDs.

607
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:25,860
What do you mean?

608
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:30,690
Thank you for the explanation.

609
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:32,290
I appreciate it a lot to see you again, Blair.

610
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:40,450
When you talked about step two annual escalations in the cap, with Prop 13 being a thing in

611
00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:46,870
California provided that it doesn't change, no matter what cap we set, our revenues are

612
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:52,070
going to be limited at build out to whatever prop 13 will allow us to continue to collect

613
00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:54,170
at least from that portion of our revenue.

614
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:59,970
So if you go into the future looking far out, we will...

615
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Will we eventually hit that cap?

616
00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:10,440
Well, the plan is no. Getting there is what's going to be tricky, and I think Blair could probably

617
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,500
describe it a little bit more as we develop the final cap, how the hat with that cap's

618
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:20,920
going to be established. The cap does escalate annually with CPI, and we could put a rate

619
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:27,460
of what that escalation can be. I believe we don't have to set it at CPI. It could be a little

620
00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:33,500
than CPI, and that's something I think we'll get into a lot more discussion when we bring

621
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:38,880
that report to you once we've really developed that. But ultimately the goal would be

622
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,960
that we would never reach that cap, that that escalation would cover those costs, and that

623
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:53,180
again, you know, it's the maximum and we want to, you know, quite frankly want to keep it a

624
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:57,280
little higher so that we never reach it and would have to go out to the homeowners

625
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,240
to vote, I don't know if you have anything additional you want to add and bleder.

626
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:10,720
Yeah, I agree. The cap is really the maximum special taxes really to provide for some

627
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:17,360
sustainability and longevity for the CFD. So you just, you always want to structure that cap

628
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:26,300
to anticipate contingencies of cost escalation inflation higher than the CPI. If the contract ends

629
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:32,800
going up 10% for one reason or another, a button beyond inflationary adjustment. You want to be

630
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:41,040
able to be able to recover those costs. And so you don't want to ever get to a point where

631
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:49,660
it's outdated or you're having a shortfall that you're actual costs, they're seeing the maximum

632
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:57,580
cap. So that's where we just, it's common to put a little bit of contingency buffer in the

633
00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:03,720
maximum tax. That's anchored to reasonable cost analysis like we provided so that it just

634
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:12,620
gives its sustainability. But keep that in mind that too, that if in 20 years the CFD just isn't

635
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:19,440
structured right, it doesn't quite fit to the circumstances, and you can always just do a

636
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,440
new CFD and make some slight adjustments. But this just allows you to keep the CFD going.

637
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:32,280
So, so that's, we typically we like to structure it for that longevity. But that's that's

638
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,120
something that we'd all work out with you and what your options are for that.

639
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,000
One question,

640
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:54,000
And if one of the seven currently proposed or currently approved developments were to open

641
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,880
their development agreement for some reason, they want to make a change or something, would

642
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,760
we be able to add this in at that point?

643
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:11,000
I like to assume so, I don't know if Doug's got a better answer than I assume so.

644
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Yes, Council Member Barrett, that would allow us the opportunity to pursue that as part of those negotiations.

645
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:18,220
Thank

646
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,300
you. Do you have any speakers?

647
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,740
Yes, Mr. Mayor, we have one speaker card on this item from Daniel.

648
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:41,040
But I don't see him in the room at the moment. Also, there was a supplemental submitted by Mr. Politi as well with respect to this item.

649
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:42,220
That is in your pocket.

650
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:44,660
But I don't see them here.

651
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:47,100
All right.

652
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,340
We'll move to the discussion then.

653
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,920
Yeah, I understand the point behind this.

654
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,620
It's tough because we're being forced by the state to constantly keep expanding.

655
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,960
But there's no money coming in to do so.

656
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,840
So we either expand and have less services for everyone else and more part.

657
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,060
Or we have to do something like this, which.

658
00:59:11,060 --> 00:59:17,500
I don't see any other ways around this one, but what

659
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,680
your thoughts?

660
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:21,940
Dr. Castro.

661
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:22,320
Dr. Castro.

662
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:22,980
Yeah, thanks, Mr. Mayor.

663
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,280
I appreciate staff bringing this forward.

664
00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:26,660
Agreed.

665
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,400
There's only one way to generate revenue sometimes.

666
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,880
What I feel good about though is that we've known for our citizens that they value safety.

667
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:39,360
We've continued to be at one of the safest cities in the state.

668
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:52,100
Yes, there can be a point of diminishing returns where you can spend a lot of money and not climb that rank any higher, but this at least is allowed to maintain a quality of life in a local service and then later on as was suggested.

669
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:58,420
Should this revenue not keep pace with the demands then the future council can make a decision at that point.

670
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:16,000
I think it's necessary. I don't think it's necessary. I think it's appropriate. The developments that are coming online and moving forward are going to impact our city going to impact the citizens and the property owners that are here.

671
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:22,600
I'm making these changes to those properties we will have greater costs. We know it. We can forecast it and we can offset some of it.

672
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,520
the cost that we have right now when you do the great line math are going to be limited

673
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,920
by Prop 13.

674
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:34,820
And so having something with a cap that can grow to offset some of that difference is

675
01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:39,680
one of the only ways that we'll be able to keep ourselves solvent as a city.

676
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:42,520
Because we can't mix items.

677
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,540
The last item that we talked about, they wanted an extension.

678
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:54,040
And that could be a good time in future conversations to inject.

679
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:55,840
OK, the developer wants something.

680
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,820
Here's an opportunity to have the CFT.

681
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,880
But this isn't figured out yet.

682
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:02,860
So I'm not sure that would have been appropriate discussion.

683
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,460
But I would like to see those if this goes through when this goes through.

684
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:12,200
I'd like to see those in each of those conversations, because that is a way to recap

685
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:12,780
the impact.

686
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,720
The financial impact that the new property changes are having on the existence of

687
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,000
I was pleasantly surprised.

688
01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:24,900
It was as low as it is to be quite honest.

689
01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:29,920
And so I, you know, this is exactly what we asked for,

690
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,220
and please, there's no.

691
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:33,640
Right.

692
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,640
The only other alternative is lowering police services in not being

693
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,820
forced safety in California and falling into that dark hole.

694
01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:48,780
So yeah, I'm okay with this, so I want to make a motion.

695
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,560
Is there a motion in the header was just good.

696
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:56,920
I believe we just need concurrence to move forward.

697
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:58,000
We have moved to concur.

698
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,560
We've got a motion and I'll second the concurrence.

699
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:05,770
Direction is good.

700
01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:06,470
We have direction.

701
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:12,300
Yes, Mayor.

702
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,860
Now we have your direction.

703
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:24,220
And we will go ahead and consider police services in community facilities districts on any current and for future developments.

704
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:24,980
Great.

705
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:24,980
Thank

706
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:30,630
you.

707
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:32,730
We have.

708
01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:37,070
Next is presentation action discussion item 10 v as consider disposition.

709
01:02:37,810 --> 01:02:47,690
Direction for 112 12 24 and 136 first street and consider disposition direction for 224 and 236 Charles Street.

710
01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:49,470
I believe we have some recusals.

711
01:02:49,850 --> 01:02:50,930
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

712
01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:55,390
I'm recusing myself from the consideration of this agenda item until the recusals segment that

713
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:58,010
applies to properties 224 and 236.

714
01:02:58,270 --> 01:03:00,750
Charlestrade has been acted upon by the rest of the city council.

715
01:03:01,210 --> 01:03:06,070
This is because those properties are located within a thousand beats of my residents on

716
01:03:06,070 --> 01:03:06,570
Charlestrade.

717
01:03:06,850 --> 01:03:07,570
Thank you.

718
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:09,540
Mr. Mayor.

719
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,360
I'm also reducing myself from consideration in the agenda item until the recusals segment

720
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:21,640
that applies to properties at 224 into 36 Charles Street has been acted upon by the rest

721
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,400
of City Council.

722
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,460
This is because these properties are adjacent to property owned by my employer.

723
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:28,780
Thank you.

724
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:29,520
Thank you.

725
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:47,880
All right.

726
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:48,620
This is Jennifer.

727
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:49,780
Good evening, Mayor.

728
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,480
And City Council members.

729
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,400
I do have a script regarding the segmentation discussion that I will read or as quickly

730
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,000
as I can.

731
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:10,960
So, as we were talking about this agenda item is for City Council to consider and provide feedback on certain city on properties on first street and child street, staff report and presentation of this agenda item is being divided into two sections.

732
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:18,620
First we will, we've already heard the refusal statements, so we're just going to address the refusal segment.

733
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:24,720
The effective council members have already read their statements and left the DIA, so check that off.

734
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:33,840
And then what we're going to do now is I will go through the full presentation on all of the properties after the presentation.

735
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,220
We can ask for public comments on the agenda item.

736
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,940
And then we'll seek City Council's consideration on first the Charles Street Pros properties, which are the recute users segment.

737
01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:49,800
Once we have discussion and decision on that section of property, I will bring the other

738
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,300
council members back and we'll have the discussion on the first street properties.

739
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160
I think that covers it.

740
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,180
I'll go ahead and start the presentation.

741
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:35,330
Okay, so first, we'll provide, I'll try to make it a brief refresher on the Sir Plus Land Act. I understand that. Most of you are probably well aware at this point, but in case we have some new folks in the audience. Basically, local governments must follow the Sir Plus Land Act when property owned by the agency is deemed no longer needed for a government use. The SLA governs not only the sale of property, but long term leases of 15 or more years.

742
01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:42,210
The process involves declaring a properties surplus or exempt surplus and following the procedures outlined in the SLA.

743
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:49,410
Generally for surplus properties it means offering the property to the interested affordable housing agencies school districts or open space agencies.

744
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:54,350
Those parties have 60 days to respond and if responses are received.

745
01:05:54,550 --> 01:05:57,250
There is a nine required 90 day good faith negotiation process.

746
01:05:58,410 --> 01:06:04,470
If there is no agreement on a deal after that 90 day period, the agencies free to dispose of the property to the general public.

747
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:13,530
The SLA does require that a covenant be recorded on the property that if ten or more residential units are built 15% of them must be affordable.

748
01:06:17,540 --> 01:06:21,660
For exempt surplus property it means making findings that the property is exempt.

749
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:32,040
And so those findings include land size of less than half neeker, not located near the coast state park historical place or adjacent to affordable housing already affordable housing development.

750
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,280
The exempt surplus designation is a shorter process.

751
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:41,640
It does not include the 60 or 90D notice and negotiation periods in land can be disposed

752
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:47,280
of 30 days after the exemption determination has been provided to each CD.

753
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:52,560
And then beyond the SLA, depending on the type of property that we're disposing, there may

754
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:58,520
be other requirements related to the zoning code planning commission approval or property

755
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,020
used as Parkland is surplus and need to comply with other requirements.

756
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:13,320
So generally we have discussed these properties before in November of 2025 when we had

757
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,600
the initial property workshop.

758
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,400
At that time, all of these parcels were encumbered by an ENA with the Area Housing Authority,

759
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,620
as part of a future scattered site affordable housing development.

760
01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:29,400
Since that discussion, the area housing authority has terminated their ENA,

761
01:07:29,540 --> 01:07:33,840
citing, changed economic conditions that make the development project and feasible.

762
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,640
And so, just as part of the discussion tonight, which is a few reminders,

763
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,760
the properties at 224 and 236 tarls may pull it.

764
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,140
Which is the refusal segment.

765
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:49,140
Oh, sorry.

766
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:56,640
Our successor housing agency parcels as well as the properties on 1, 2, 4, and 1, 3, 6 first street.

767
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,680
Because they were purchased with the RD housing funds, any proceeds of their sale,

768
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,120
I need to be deposited in the successor housing agency fund.

769
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:12,140
Similarly, if the city likes to keep the parcels, then we just have to make a transfer from city funds to the successor housing agency funds.

770
01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:18,180
that funds have to be used specifically for construction of new affordable housing or

771
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:23,220
preservation of existing units in a portion of it can be used for homelessness prevention

772
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:29,240
and administrative costs. Also the property look at that located at 1-1-2 for a

773
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:35,340
street is a bond funded property. So the proceeds of that sale if it is determined to be sold

774
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:39,320
would have to be, I used D.Fee's outstanding RDA housing.

775
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:45,660
So, the parcels are all zoned R1.

776
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:50,100
There are approximately 7,405 square feet each.

777
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,400
Should the city council move forward with this position of the properties?

778
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,660
We believe that the properties at 224 and 236 tarl.

779
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,620
Street could be considered exempt surplus property,

780
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,400
and we would be subject to that shorter disposition period.

781
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:11,660
But the properties on first street by virtue of being three properties continues to each other to be safe.

782
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:17,560
It's best to put those properties through the full SLA because if they do get purchased by one buyer,

783
01:09:17,860 --> 01:09:19,560
the properties would be subject to the full SLA.

784
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,020
So we just get it out of the way and then see what happens.

785
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:25,120
We can still, it wouldn't prohibit us from selling them individually though.

786
01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:32,580
So as noted, the purpose of our discussion for tonight is to receive direction from the city council,

787
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:37,900
regarding retention or disposition of the properties and for the first

788
01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:41,320
recusals segment we do have the Charles Street properties so I do have those

789
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:48,720
I've just to remind you there to the east of Bard in Charles. Again 7,400

790
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,740
by Square Feet, Perlatt's own Darwin eligible to be declared exempt

791
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:59,960
surplus land as we mentioned. And then I'll just talk about, maybe we can talk.

792
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:11,100
And then I can go over the other ones when the other council members come back. So we'll stop here and we will entertain discussion and direction on the charge of street parcels.

793
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:13,700
Thank you. A question to the staff.

794
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:19,490
Not anymore.

795
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:24,810
Okay. What are these properties owned right now? It's residential.

796
01:10:25,530 --> 01:10:26,410
Yes, are one.

797
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:45,780
So with these two, I don't want to get into a future conversation about something else, but I think I'd rather want to keep these ones open for possibilities, possibly at parkies.

798
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:47,680
Yeah, that's good question and stuff.

799
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,840
I'm sorry, I got excited.

800
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:51,240
I got excited.

801
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,880
He's going to get into it.

802
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,940
And I think it made me relate to the point, the question you were asking.

803
01:10:56,940 --> 01:11:05,520
Thank you, Mr. Sandra, you give me far too much credit for my retention of the surplus land act and I appreciate that kindness.

804
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:12,840
You'd made a statement that if we want, I almost wanted you to read the line again.

805
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,360
If we want to keep the parcels, we would just have to transfer funds if I heard you write.

806
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:26,540
If we wanted to keep the parcels for a city use, we would not have to go through the SLA at this time.

807
01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:32,920
or would we be wise to go through the SLA process to get it cleared, maybe you can give

808
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:33,320
me a little clearer.

809
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,940
The transfer of the funds just clears the successor housing agency designation from the

810
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:38,300
parcels.

811
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:43,300
So we would not have to go through the SLA, but if we wanted to do something other than affordable

812
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:49,120
housing with them, we would just have to make that transfer from unrestricted C funds to the

813
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,720
successor housing agency fund.

814
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,640
And then the city would be free to do whatever they would like with it, right now with

815
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:02,380
success or housing agency designation, we either have to, we have to sell it to, develop

816
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:07,480
affordable housing, which we've not been successful at doing or sell it so that we can regain

817
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:14,480
the funds for the success or housing agency fund. Perfect. So far it makes sense even to me.

818
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,060
If we were to transfer the funds so it gets out of the designation,

819
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,560
assume it has a city use

820
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,400
20 years from now or whatever time frame I tried to avoid the 15 year mark 20 years from now we decide oh

821
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:36,360
We want to sell it. Do we then have to go back to affordable housing or since we've transferred it out of the

822
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,780
designation then we could sell it that seems like a bit of a loophole

823
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:46,360
Right, it's if you decide in the future that you have no municipal purpose for the property and then it would have to go through the SLA

824
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:52,060
Just like any other unrestricted city property that we have it would have to go through it again

825
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:57,000
Yeah. Well, we're not. So the process of the transferring, you're not

826
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,240
deeming the property, except surplus when you transfer the funds, you're just

827
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:06,060
changing the use it that will how the city can use the property. But it's not

828
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:10,380
actually going through the surplus land act in that regard. So if you decide to

829
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:17,500
keep it and we want to explore some other non-residential use for it, if we make

830
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:21,840
that fund transfer, then we're free to do what we would like municipal

831
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,060
Well, what municipal purpose we would like to do with it, if that makes sense?

832
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,280
It does.

833
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,880
But then municipal use for years, we decided to sell it later, it has to go back to

834
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:34,300
a formalism.

835
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:41,500
If we were to go through SLA now, and an acceptable agreement was not, or an acceptable offer

836
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:49,780
was not made, does that then become free and clear, or can we then buy it from ourselves

837
01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:55,160
without having the requirement to go back to a formal housing

838
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,020
developers later?

839
01:13:57,140 --> 01:14:01,860
So because this parcel would qualify as exempt surplus in any scenario,

840
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,420
so even if you retain it for a municipal use now,

841
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:08,960
we make the fund transfer to pay back the housing agency.

842
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,280
And we decide to do a municipal use on it.

843
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:19,000
then the, um, oh my god, that was my turn to thought, that's terrible.

844
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:24,540
Sorry, and then in the future, you know, we decide that we're not going to have a

845
01:14:24,540 --> 01:14:27,960
municipal use for it and we decide to go back and surplus it.

846
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,160
It would be part of the exempt surplus.

847
01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:31,840
We could exempt surplus this property.

848
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,940
So it wouldn't have to be offered to affordable housing developers.

849
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,900
It could just be disposed of, you know, once we do the paper work with HCD.

850
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:59,980
So if we keep it and we want to do something with it, we're free to do that, because the city owns it now as the successor housing units, it's just taking away the shade of the successor housing units by transferring the funds for the land.

851
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:27,280
I think so. Thank you. I just want to clarify that somehow. Without the background accounting and shifting around of titles of land, this land does not have to go through the SLA. We don't have to go through formal housing. It could essentially be whatever we want.

852
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,580
Can we sell it as commercial?

853
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:31,480
I'm not saying we're going to, but could you do that?

854
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:34,020
I mean, that's a bigger question.

855
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:39,280
But I mean, effectively, no, because commercial isn't a municipal use.

856
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,460
So it's sort of a two-prong approach.

857
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,780
I think if the city council should decide they want to maintain the property,

858
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,460
not dispose of it for municipal use.

859
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,680
And that means municipal use is something else.

860
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,980
you know, then you can do that. We just need to do the counting.

861
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:03,460
We've got that, so we can do that.

862
01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:07,520
Yeah, and then we want to sell it for something else.

863
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:13,340
To be developed as a residential or commercial or something.

864
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:14,500
How do you go through that?

865
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:16,820
And that would have to go through the surplus land back.

866
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,660
But the process would be the shorter process.

867
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,320
So you wouldn't necessarily have to offer it to affordable housing developers.

868
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:29,760
you would go through the shorter process and you could sell it, you know, a person may

869
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,540
want to do a single family home or whatever, on both of those lots, that would be what would

870
01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:39,060
happen after you go through the surplus land act. Right, so you have to do surplus land act,

871
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:44,800
you could do residential or commercial or whatever in that. The person you purchase is it, could you?

872
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:50,480
Okay, you don't have to engage in a good faith negotiation with anyone.

873
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:50,820
the president.

874
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:53,460
Okay.

875
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:55,520
That makes sense.

876
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,420
That makes sense?

877
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:56,640
Yes.

878
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:58,400
Quick question.

879
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,080
Have we done or will there be an appraisal for that we know, and I'm assuming we have to

880
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,940
buy it at today's market value?

881
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:07,440
Yeah.

882
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:12,480
And we have not done the appraisal, but yeah, would there be a appraisal and that would

883
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:15,240
be come back with that land value for the city council?

884
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,480
And it would be appraised as vacant residential property.

885
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:27,480
And if we were not to keep it in transfer funds for municipal use, would we be selling these as both individual parcels and

886
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:37,460
as well as together? Yeah, it would you would be sort of like what about you know what people approach you what they want to do and then you make the decision on

887
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:48,740
on the sale. Do we have an estimate of what these these parcels would cost if you don't hold me to it. I will give you

888
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:56,740
to the land value on Walnut Canyon less because they're not as large. So maybe in the $200,000

889
01:17:56,740 --> 01:18:02,560
range, there's a little bit of interest in drawles for you right now I think for building

890
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:08,120
custom homes I'd be curious to see what their appraisals actually come out out. And would

891
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:13,500
it be coming from general funds or from another fund source? That would be up to the city council

892
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:18,360
decide it would just have to be some other unrestricted and probably the general.

893
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,200
That's what I figured.

894
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:23,700
Thank you.

895
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:27,460
We have, to right now it's residential.

896
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:33,160
If we change the use to something that's not residential, does that mean our renal numbers need

897
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,860
to be shifted somewhere else?

898
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:38,260
I would ask Mr. Spondello on that.

899
01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:40,080
I'm not up to speed on renal anymore.

900
01:18:44,610 --> 01:18:49,470
It's a question I think we'd want to be developed a little more deliberately regarding the proposal.

901
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:56,490
I don't believe that these sites are included in our site inventory as affordable housing sites,

902
01:18:56,630 --> 01:19:01,050
so there may be a secondary obligation to ensure that that loss doesn't carry forward.

903
01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:08,250
Yeah, so under the Housing Crisis Act, a city is not allowed to change the zoning of a property

904
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:12,770
that was zoned as a residential use to a non-residential use.

905
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:16,630
As of, I believe what it was zoned for as of,

906
01:19:16,730 --> 01:19:22,390
I think it's July 1, 2018, or it might be January 1, 2018,

907
01:19:22,570 --> 01:19:25,050
but whatever that, from the 2018 date on,

908
01:19:25,410 --> 01:19:28,250
if it was zoned residential, you can't change that

909
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:31,470
to non-residential use without having to make up

910
01:19:31,470 --> 01:19:32,630
the loss acreage.

911
01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:35,410
So the acreage here, if you would have changed it

912
01:19:35,410 --> 01:19:36,530
to different zoning designation,

913
01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:41,230
you'd have to make up that loss of acreage somewhere else and within 180 days

914
01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:46,190
up zone that other property. We're already so far over our renal numbers already.

915
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:50,430
I can't imagine that two small parcels would make. So this is not renal.

916
01:19:50,670 --> 01:19:55,730
So there's two different known net loss provisions under state law. We have the known

917
01:19:55,730 --> 01:19:59,730
net loss under housing element law, which is where we're talking about the site inventory.

918
01:20:00,660 --> 01:20:06,340
So if this is not a housing element site, we don't have to worry about the arena numbers. There is a different

919
01:20:06,340 --> 01:20:12,300
known net loss under the Housing Crisis Act, which expressly provides that you can't downzone property

920
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:19,520
from residential use to a non-residential use or decrease the density from where what it existed

921
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:26,020
as of January 1, 2018, without having to upzone similar egreg, elsewhere in the city.

922
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,920
So, just for clarity, if we were to decide this is open space,

923
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,080
and a municipal use, we would

924
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:51,580
then have to go find another set of parcels of land and increase that density within

925
01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:56,720
180 days in order to make this exactly what it is today with the House on it.

926
01:20:59,410 --> 01:21:02,670
Yes, making a fine leak that code section for you and read it to you for life.

927
01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:09,470
I believe you might. I don't mean to have a town if I do it is with the State of California not with you, but

928
01:21:10,690 --> 01:21:12,250
Thank you for that clarity.

929
01:21:15,490 --> 01:21:22,020
This is probably too really to ask this question, but Mr. Spondale, do you have an idea in mind of how you would go about this

930
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:24,830
equation here

931
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:27,290
The designation of other

932
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:33,410
property in the city. I think that's I think that's outside the scope of what we're discussing right now

933
01:21:33,410 --> 01:21:39,410
think what we're focusing right now really is does the city want to retain these two parcels

934
01:21:40,190 --> 01:21:46,970
for a city use or does the city want to declare them surplus land and dispose of the property.

935
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:52,250
And so we don't need to necessarily discuss tonight what that use would be what we have to

936
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:58,370
absorb any of those changes. I think it's just do we want to keep them or not.

937
01:21:58,370 --> 01:22:02,790
I think would, yeah, one is they can plant it, obviously.

938
01:22:04,990 --> 01:22:08,370
In my opinion, it might change whether or not we want to retain these parcels based

939
01:22:08,370 --> 01:22:10,830
on the impact that it is likely to have.

940
01:22:11,190 --> 01:22:15,910
So what we have to put a different agenda item together in the future to have a broader scope

941
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:16,750
in order to have that conversation.

942
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,660
I want to let me just put this forward while that question sits, but there are a number

943
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:29,560
of uses permitted in this zone that do not involve residential development.

944
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:36,420
government uses, for example, could be developed in the R1 zone as is, but again, all the further.

945
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:44,880
And so the agenda item, expressly, says, provide direction to staff on disposition or retention of properties.

946
01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:50,460
So, I mean, that's what's before you do you want to retain or do you want to dispose?

947
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:57,340
I think if we're talking about, you know, what should we reason it as, I think that's probably going outside the scope,

948
01:22:57,340 --> 01:23:00,180
But just do we want to retain or not?

949
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,800
Yeah, council member means yes.

950
01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:04,580
Oh, whatever direction you provide us on these properties,

951
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,100
we would have to come back to you in a future agenda item

952
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:09,980
because based on what your decision is tonight,

953
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,540
could then impact other items or things that are related

954
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:15,920
to your decision this evening.

955
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,600
So we would have to come back and return to you.

956
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:19,860
I appreciate that.

957
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,520
I think the difficult part, and I think this is

958
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,280
what you're getting at council member means,

959
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:26,400
is that how do we know if we should be?

960
01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:33,820
keeping me or disposing of them if we don't know what the repercussions going to be, if we

961
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:38,800
need to change some other parcel. So I guess that's my question. I feel like I need more information

962
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,520
to make this decision tonight. Right. So I think that's what that next meeting is. So I can kind of

963
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:49,380
tie that one together. I think we're looking at it right now is do we want to, if we want to go with it

964
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:53,980
and keep it the same thing like that or do we want to look into alternative uses, if alternative

965
01:23:53,980 --> 01:23:56,000
of uses is what we want to look into.

966
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,700
That's when we'll hear from Doug about how that would work, how we'd pencil that whole thing

967
01:24:00,700 --> 01:24:03,800
out and we can make that decision to do that at the time or not.

968
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:06,020
Does that make sense?

969
01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:07,580
Did I get that?

970
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:08,640
Oh, it makes sense.

971
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:08,920
Good.

972
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:09,760
And right yet.

973
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,180
It makes no sense.

974
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,840
I understand.

975
01:24:15,860 --> 01:24:17,320
So do you have all the questions asked?

976
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:18,380
I think we have all the questions asked.

977
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:19,420
Okay, so we want to do that.

978
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:21,080
Any other questions?

979
01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:23,160
Yeah, I mean, Councillor Gistick, I'd like to ask.

980
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:24,360
Yes, you're absolutely correct.

981
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,060
I mean, you provide us direction this evening.

982
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:28,660
We would have to come back and provide you other contexts

983
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:29,320
and impacts.

984
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:32,220
So it's not as if your decision tonight is final.

985
01:24:33,020 --> 01:24:35,880
You can simply direct staff to go in a certain direction

986
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,400
and then come back with more information.

987
01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:38,840
OK, be sure.

988
01:24:41,180 --> 01:24:41,660
Do we need speakers?

989
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,380
No, Mr. Mayor, not on item 10A.

990
01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:48,440
OK, I'll discuss.

991
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,860
So as I said, when I jumped in earlier,

992
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:59,540
I'd like to explore municipal uses.

993
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:31,930
This morning, press

994
01:25:31,930 --> 01:25:35,710
that right now, is that I don't mean to talk to you guys, but.

995
01:25:35,730 --> 01:25:39,930
Well, it's not taking you through a cell-way, but it's either disposing of it or keeping

996
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:40,450
it.

997
01:25:40,450 --> 01:25:41,750
So I want to keep it.

998
01:25:42,150 --> 01:25:43,310
We want to keep it.

999
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:44,190
We want to explore.

1000
01:25:44,290 --> 01:25:45,370
Look at municipal uses.

1001
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:50,890
We're not going to talk about what types of uses those would be necessarily, because that would

1002
01:25:50,890 --> 01:25:53,010
be not agendas, and we couldn't do that.

1003
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:55,970
Can we ask for that direction, though, Marisol?

1004
01:25:56,270 --> 01:26:00,830
Yes, I think we do need further direction, so that when the item comes back, we can

1005
01:26:00,830 --> 01:26:05,410
have the better understanding of we are that means we are all interested in keeping

1006
01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:10,270
these these two lots but we would like to know what the trade-off is going to be

1007
01:26:10,270 --> 01:26:15,030
for keeping these two lots and potentially changing them to other municipal

1008
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:19,030
uses. So you're saying municipal uses are we saying park park?

1009
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:21,470
That's what we can't talk about right?

1010
01:26:22,330 --> 01:26:27,910
I think you can generally say if you want to keep it for a city use then that is

1011
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:48,090
It means it's not, you're not just suppose that it is surplus, you're actually using it for a city purpose and then we could come back with an agenda item explaining precisely what that means in terms of okay, we're going to have to come up with, you know, 7,405 square feet per lot somewhere else

1012
01:26:48,090 --> 01:26:53,170
And here are some possible locations or, you know, that would be brought back to you.

1013
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:56,130
But I think generally we wanted to know because we heard commercial also.

1014
01:26:56,510 --> 01:27:00,230
So we just wanted to make sure we understood what municipal nets.

1015
01:27:01,350 --> 01:27:02,670
Yeah, municipal is not commercial.

1016
01:27:03,190 --> 01:27:03,470
So yes.

1017
01:27:04,450 --> 01:27:06,430
So municipal could be a lot of different things.

1018
01:27:06,670 --> 01:27:07,790
So we wanted to see what that is.

1019
01:27:07,930 --> 01:27:12,430
Commercial would be the SLA going to that whole process, which we don't want to do.

1020
01:27:12,670 --> 01:27:12,770
Correct?

1021
01:27:13,290 --> 01:27:14,090
We might want to do.

1022
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:16,170
Depending on the options we can talk about.

1023
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:19,150
in the words that I thought I wasn't allowed to use.

1024
01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:26,390
Anybody watching at home, well, rightfully judges us to not know anything that we're talking about,

1025
01:27:26,530 --> 01:27:27,650
but I don't know what I can say.

1026
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:32,210
I absolutely would like to see this come back in a way that we can have a discussion about,

1027
01:27:33,250 --> 01:27:37,970
which I think means that we do not want to move forward with those in the property at this time.

1028
01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:44,190
But I think in order for us to be able to come back to you with more information,

1029
01:27:44,190 --> 01:27:49,710
And I think what we're trying to get to earlier is it is allowable for you to provide us

1030
01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:55,670
direction whether you want it to be open space, you want it to be some other thing,

1031
01:27:56,730 --> 01:28:00,310
or because at least we can provide a little bit more detail and context when we come back

1032
01:28:00,310 --> 01:28:01,450
to you at a future date.

1033
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:04,290
You guys will stop me if I start saying things and that's what to say.

1034
01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:13,090
But I could see that being potentially a park or a parking lot or some other sort of building

1035
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:19,990
the city might use. If it's determined that that is not something we want to do with it,

1036
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:27,410
then taking it through the process of disposing it could be perfectly fine. We'd like to have

1037
01:28:27,410 --> 01:28:33,750
that. But I think that there are municipal users like Parkland parking lots or a city building

1038
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:38,550
that could fit there. It could be a playground if we had to move a playground for some

1039
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:43,470
reason, the future, be that, it could be a community garden, it could be a lot of different

1040
01:28:43,470 --> 01:28:49,370
things. However, the cost of those things is going to be based off of what the trade-offs

1041
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:55,330
are, which is. All right, we've noted that. Is that enough direction? Yes, I think that is.

1042
01:28:55,550 --> 01:29:01,150
Thank you. Okay. Thank you for all of that staff. We appreciate it. Okay, we can move on to

1043
01:29:01,150 --> 01:29:02,190
the next one though.

1044
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:05,300
Let me just go get the other council.

1045
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:31,470
Okay, so we've gone through the

1046
01:29:31,470 --> 01:29:32,630
Excuse us, segments.

1047
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:35,150
So we now we can move on to 112, 12, 12, 24,

1048
01:29:35,210 --> 01:29:37,110
and 136 first street.

1049
01:29:38,230 --> 01:29:40,690
All right, so next step, like we said,

1050
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:43,610
we've got 124 and 136 first street,

1051
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:47,370
which are these successor housing agency parcels in this group.

1052
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:51,470
And this successor has just,

1053
01:29:51,850 --> 01:29:54,290
just, Council Member Barrett and Castro,

1054
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:57,250
were you able to watch the information and stuff

1055
01:29:57,250 --> 01:29:57,990
and back, okay.

1056
01:29:58,190 --> 01:29:59,870
I don't want to waste time, I've heard it.

1057
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:59,970
Thanks for watching!

1058
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,460
So, successor has the agency parcel for 124.136 for Street. Lot sizes are 7,000, 45 square feet as well.

1059
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:16,420
The bond-funded parcel in this group is 112 for Street. Same lot size as the other two and zoned are one.

1060
01:30:16,820 --> 01:30:27,020
If we did decide to move forward with disposition of this group of properties, we would be going through the full SLA process with negotiation with the four of the housing developers.

1061
01:30:27,780 --> 01:30:31,940
etc. So, open to here, Council discussion on the item.

1062
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:33,380
Thank you.

1063
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:34,000
Any questions?

1064
01:30:39,070 --> 01:30:42,230
I assume no appraisals have been done on these either, correct?

1065
01:30:42,230 --> 01:30:43,250
We have not done yet.

1066
01:30:44,830 --> 01:30:48,170
When it comes time to appraisals, will they be appraising at both the individual

1067
01:30:48,170 --> 01:30:51,690
lot and potential of all three?

1068
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:56,430
We appraise them as individual lots and sell them as individual lots,

1069
01:30:56,430 --> 01:31:01,850
Even if they're being purchased by one individual, thank you.

1070
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:13,350
If we sell them as individual lots and they're purchased by one individual, do we have the availability to dictate that they stay in individual lots or is that our heads?

1071
01:31:14,050 --> 01:31:27,350
In terms of, you know, if one person is buying three lots, you only want to see three single family homes or whatever sort of similar to Walnut Canyon, I believe we can structure the deal the same.

1072
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:31,990
Okay, there are questions.

1073
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:34,230
Do we have any speakers?

1074
01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:35,370
Excuse me.

1075
01:31:36,230 --> 01:31:38,070
No, Mr. Mayor, no speakers on the side.

1076
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:42,870
I think

1077
01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:52,260
this location here is not a location where you'd expect to put in any other

1078
01:31:52,260 --> 01:31:58,460
municipal types of views as a ceremony and like housing makes the most sense.

1079
01:32:00,980 --> 01:32:01,800
I would agree.

1080
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:09,300
I think that there's already a park nearby and I think housing is a good use here.

1081
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:17,320
I think, as you said, as we're able to direct if proposals come through, you know, certainly

1082
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,500
aiming towards keeping consistent with the neighborhood, that was being important to me.

1083
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,460
Yeah, I agree. That was why I was asking that. I want to make sure if there was development,

1084
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,620
it was going to be, it was going to fit in with that neighborhood and not be an outlier.

1085
01:32:35,130 --> 01:32:37,010
Okay. Well, that's the direction.

1086
01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:46,350
Yes, Mayor Council, we have direction to keep it residential and move forward with the disposition process.

1087
01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:53,370
All right.

1088
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:56,270
We'll move on to you at 10C.

1089
01:32:58,750 --> 01:33:04,650
As considered, disposition direction for 15404 Princeton Avenue, the senator.

1090
01:33:11,170 --> 01:33:12,010
Good evening, Mayor.

1091
01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:20,470
in the city council, I do want to just sort of correct the address listed. I've been here

1092
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:23,670
a very long time and when we purchased this property, that was the address I knew it

1093
01:33:23,670 --> 01:33:28,090
has and that is no longer the address just because it's been vacant land for so long. So

1094
01:33:28,090 --> 01:33:32,150
just to clarify, I know there was some confusion on that, but these are the Princeton Avenue properties.

1095
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:41,390
I'm going to spare you the surplus land act speech again, but just suffice it to say that

1096
01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:47,170
the disposition of this parcel should we decide to dispose of it would be subject to the

1097
01:33:47,170 --> 01:33:48,330
surplus land act.

1098
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:55,660
So just to go over the property history again, this property was purchased

1099
01:33:55,660 --> 01:34:01,100
by the redevelopment agency. It was intended to be a relocation site for a fueling station

1100
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:07,100
that used to be located on high street. Ultimately, the project was not approved. In the redevelopment

1101
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:12,240
agency did continue to look for development partners with no success.

1102
01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:17,760
In 2020, a development partner approached the city about developing a housing project

1103
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:18,800
at the site.

1104
01:34:19,260 --> 01:34:23,840
At the time, there was an exemption in the Surplus Land Act for redevelopment agency

1105
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:30,440
properties, but it did require that all-land disposition activities conclude by December

1106
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:31,360
of 2022.

1107
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,400
During the due diligence process, the interested

1108
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,100
developer did find that there was some poor soil conditions,

1109
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,580
the cost of which would effectively write down the land value.

1110
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:46,500
Unfortunately due to the expiration of the exemption,

1111
01:34:46,740 --> 01:34:48,800
we're not able to resolve the issue of the price

1112
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,180
and what to do with the land with the oversight board

1113
01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:53,140
and the developer decided not to move forward.

1114
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,800
Since then, the City Council has discussed this property

1115
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:59,840
a couple of times, so we had the initial discussion

1116
01:34:59,840 --> 01:34:59,960
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next one.

1117
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,200
In November of 2025, we were asked to return with the appraisal value to determine if the city council

1118
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:14,240
would want to purchase the property. In January of 26, we did present that appraisal value and the cost

1119
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:20,100
of the site had increased significantly due to the property being re-azone during the general plan update.

1120
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:27,180
The land value increased approximately $1.2 million under the new zoning. And at the time, the city council

1121
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:31,820
But as if we could dialogue with the former developers and return with information related

1122
01:35:31,820 --> 01:35:36,360
to the soils on the site and the potential right down to the land value based on those studies.

1123
01:35:37,180 --> 01:35:43,540
I was able to obtain the developers estimates from 2022 and at that time, they had estimated

1124
01:35:43,540 --> 01:35:50,920
approximately $960,000 to remove uncertified fill materials and remediate local faction issues.

1125
01:35:51,980 --> 01:35:56,460
And at that time, what have written the land value down to zero based on the predatory zoning

1126
01:35:56,460 --> 01:36:01,240
their praise value. I very conservatively I think inflated the developers

1127
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:05,960
cost us to get a flavor of what those land remediation costs would be

1128
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:11,300
today against the current appraised value and it would have a reduced

1129
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:15,500
land value but only around $876,000.

1130
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:23,420
So given the potential cost of the city to purchase a slot from the

1131
01:36:23,420 --> 01:36:29,100
accessor, agency staff had made a recommendation to attempt to put the Surplus Land Act

1132
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:34,980
to put the property through the Surplus Land Act in Sullivan and because this property

1133
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:42,340
is subject to oversight by the Venture County Consolidated Oversight Board, the idea is that

1134
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:48,180
if we could show our due diligence in trying to sell the property and if we receive no

1135
01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:55,540
offers, it could set up favorable negotiations with the oversight board to potentially purchase

1136
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:58,800
a property for a lower value than the appraisal value.

1137
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:05,020
And if offers did materialize as a part of the SLA that resulted some sort of development

1138
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:10,820
on the state, the city could still potentially realize some of a city council goals related

1139
01:37:10,820 --> 01:37:15,960
to potential trails on the site by reserving an easement or negotiating that through that development.

1140
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:23,680
And so I did put together, here's the property, generally kind of where the trail easement

1141
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:24,520
would go.

1142
01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:29,580
Obviously, as we subject to, if somebody didn't want to develop here kind of what their property

1143
01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:34,640
layout would end up having to be in all of that, that would be generally kind of the idea.

1144
01:37:36,260 --> 01:37:45,460
And so again, so the lot size in on paper is 2.26 acres. Again, it zoned R2.

1145
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:52,980
It's just under one acre of usable land given the erosion from the

1146
01:37:52,980 --> 01:38:01,060
royal on the south side of the property and so it's you know much smaller than it looks like

1147
01:38:01,060 --> 01:38:07,610
on paper and so we'd like to receive directions with City Council regarding retention or

1148
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:12,710
disposition of the property like I said we did make a staff recommendation that the City Council

1149
01:38:12,710 --> 01:38:17,570
decline the purchase at this time but we would return to the City Council if no sale activity occurs

1150
01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:23,210
this is also a dual successor agency item and we would be looking for a direction from the successor

1151
01:38:23,210 --> 01:38:28,530
agency to actually move forward with the SLA process, if that was the desire, and we could

1152
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:33,750
again return for further direction if no sales occurred within the next 18 months.

1153
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:39,630
Or you can, you're free as usual to direct staff as deemed appropriate, so that's concludes

1154
01:38:39,630 --> 01:38:42,430
my presentation on a copy answer any questions.

1155
01:38:43,090 --> 01:38:43,410
Thank you.

1156
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:44,110
The very questions.

1157
01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:49,130
Wait, you're saying yes, you have a question, do you want to go ahead?

1158
01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:50,150
Thank you first.

1159
01:38:51,250 --> 01:38:51,770
Thank you Jessica.

1160
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:59,770
So, given the erosion portion, does a trailhead follow along the part of unusable space

1161
01:38:59,770 --> 01:39:02,630
or does it cut into or the proposed trailhead?

1162
01:39:02,910 --> 01:39:05,070
Does it cut into usable area?

1163
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:10,370
So, right now where it's shown is kind of like the very edge of the usable area.

1164
01:39:10,630 --> 01:39:13,390
But I would anticipate if somebody was going to be developing.

1165
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:15,670
There'd have to be doing something with that.

1166
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:20,010
And that would create effectively like a levy road that would allow us to put a trail in.

1167
01:39:20,010 --> 01:39:27,630
I can't guarantee that, you know, and that's why the trail might actually move depending on how the development would be designed.

1168
01:39:28,910 --> 01:39:39,110
But generally, I think it would make sense, because again, you'd be able to see all the wild parts of the Arroyo and the kind of different interpretive things you could do with that trail.

1169
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:41,310
So the follow-up question to that.

1170
01:39:41,310 --> 01:39:52,150
Since I know that trailheads are important to us should an easement or access be required should the requirement be established prior to marketing?

1171
01:39:53,070 --> 01:39:59,330
So we would put it in the marketing materials and then the easement would be established upon sale when the grantee's are recorded.

1172
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,280
We would at least notify potential buyers that that would be a requirement of the sale.

1173
01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:08,880
Okay. Thank you.

1174
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:09,220
Excuse me.

1175
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:20,160
Thank you. Would this property be could we decide to transfer funds and turn this into some of their zoning

1176
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,840
like open space if we chose to?

1177
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:29,520
You could purchase, if you're asking if the city could purchase the property, you could purchase

1178
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:35,260
the property, we would just have to have the property purchase approved by the oversight

1179
01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:40,500
board and the value of the property approved, you know, whatever that transaction cost

1180
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:42,360
is approved by the oversight board.

1181
01:40:42,740 --> 01:40:47,440
Well, Council Member means as a supplement to that response, I wanted to, I've had a moment

1182
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:49,880
to kind of review the basis on the earlier questions.

1183
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:54,380
I wanted to clarify that public parks and recreation facilities are permitted in all zones.

1184
01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:58,520
So if that's strictly the question, then a zoning change wouldn't be necessary.

1185
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:11,140
Perfect, and it leads straight into my question of the Housing Crisis Act of 2018, which I will admit I have studied for minutes now.

1186
01:41:12,620 --> 01:41:18,580
It's one acre, would this be subject to the Housing Crisis Act where we would have to make up the acreage as well?

1187
01:41:18,580 --> 01:41:29,580
No, so based on the new information that was just provided, if we're not changing the general plan land use designation or changing the zone, which it sounds like we don't need to.

1188
01:41:29,780 --> 01:41:34,220
Then we would not need to worry about that since everything would remain the same.

1189
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,840
It would remain zoned as R2.

1190
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:42,680
It would just be put for a different use.

1191
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,060
But it would be remain as R2.

1192
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:52,300
Good. I like that answer. Great. How is that different than the Charles properties that we were just talking about?

1193
01:41:52,480 --> 01:42:00,000
It's not. It's just now we have new information that public parks are allowed within the R1 zone as well.

1194
01:42:00,180 --> 01:42:00,440
Is that right?

1195
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:08,460
Correct. Actually within all cities zones, the situation we were discussing previously was the idea that we would have to change the zoning to something non-residential.

1196
01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:13,500
And if the intended use here is a public park or recreation facility, that is not the case.

1197
01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:19,920
So we go back to the last item and open that back up and have it as I'll leave it.

1198
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:21,120
We've got direction there.

1199
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,300
That strikes all the questions I have.

1200
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:31,560
So it's residential, which implies that there's a certain amount of units per acre based up

1201
01:42:32,580 --> 01:42:38,640
But if we decided to use that as a park, obviously you can't live at a park, well, you could.

1202
01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:42,940
But we don't make up those numbers.

1203
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:43,840
Correct.

1204
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:49,420
Because the requirement to make up those numbers is only triggered if we were to change it to a non-residential zoning.

1205
01:42:49,780 --> 01:42:50,100
Got it.

1206
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:51,880
All right.

1207
01:42:52,220 --> 01:42:52,900
Don't understand that.

1208
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:53,800
But it makes sense.

1209
01:42:55,650 --> 01:42:55,810
Good.

1210
01:42:56,890 --> 01:42:56,930
Yeah.

1211
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:57,350
Dr. Kesher.

1212
01:42:57,830 --> 01:43:00,590
I just wanted to build on council member.

1213
01:43:00,590 --> 01:43:05,310
of the other's question about the sale attempt that includes the trailer has.

1214
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:07,130
I love that great, great suggestion.

1215
01:43:07,690 --> 01:43:12,550
Does that in some ways, in some hypothetical scenario, or someone would be very interested

1216
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:20,070
in this and it would be, it would be for them just a make or break to have to have that

1217
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:20,630
as a trail.

1218
01:43:20,830 --> 01:43:23,930
Does that disadvantage just in that first attempt at a sale?

1219
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:33,090
Yeah, I mean, I think it could, I think it could, I don't have, you know, really just depends

1220
01:43:33,090 --> 01:43:37,490
on sort of, you know, what they're proposing, you know, if something was a lower density,

1221
01:43:37,690 --> 01:43:43,330
it might be harder for them to recruit costs related to that, but give in sort of the remediation

1222
01:43:43,330 --> 01:43:47,550
in the erosion and for the oil that would have to be dealt with, they're probably going

1223
01:43:47,550 --> 01:43:53,270
to be doing something higher density anyway, and so maybe they could, could cover the

1224
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:58,650
also that but I don't I can't say till we know what somebody needs to do so that the follow-up

1225
01:43:58,650 --> 01:44:04,870
then is that is it's possible for us to state our like priorities but without like limiting ourselves

1226
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:10,370
to that we would only accept offers that included that as a provision. Yeah we can we can put that

1227
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:15,970
in our as our requirements that we would be retaining some kind of a trail easement you know and maybe

1228
01:44:15,970 --> 01:44:21,070
that the work around to maintaining the trail is being flexible with how the trail actually goes through

1229
01:44:21,070 --> 01:44:27,730
of development? Yeah, and obviously, it's hypothetical, but one of the things that was clear

1230
01:44:27,730 --> 01:44:32,530
in the staff report is whatever is done with this property, there's going to need to be extensive

1231
01:44:32,530 --> 01:44:38,190
soil remediation. And so how much of the soil and how much of the land that there potentially

1232
01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:44,330
would be applying a soil remediation criteria to land that is ultimately going to be used for a trail

1233
01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:48,550
Seems like that could be, you know, limiting, yeah, thank you.

1234
01:44:51,460 --> 01:44:53,020
A couple more questions.

1235
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:59,620
How confident are you in your, you're inflated?

1236
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,620
22 estimates, would it be who was to get new geos and new estimates?

1237
01:45:07,780 --> 01:45:13,720
We could. I will tell you that just from experience, we've done that with the daily group

1238
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:20,620
site. We did go out and get geotechnical reports. We had geotechnical consultants provide estimates

1239
01:45:20,620 --> 01:45:28,660
for us, but they were off by well over half a million dollars because the ultimate remediation

1240
01:45:28,660 --> 01:45:34,100
costs are based on what you're doing with the site and that varies because daily group

1241
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:38,680
went three stories and some areas they had more extensive ground remediation than we

1242
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:48,160
initially estimated. So I think we could do that. The geotecker ports are not inexpensive to

1243
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:49,080
do.

1244
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:58,640
But if that's the direction from the council we could certainly do that and try to get an

1245
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:06,100
putting these this on the market for 1.98 million and then supplying the 2022 soils.

1246
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:14,060
I don't have their documentation. I have their email with a gave us their issues with it and

1247
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:18,680
what they were dealing with. I could see if they be willing to share that talking

1248
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,260
invitation with other buyers but it's not right now it's not our document. So typically

1249
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:30,520
We would put it on the market at 1.98 million, and then we would say buyer do your due diligence

1250
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:31,080
correct.

1251
01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:36,200
So it's possible to tell them we know that, of course, yes, you have your due diligence.

1252
01:46:37,740 --> 01:46:46,240
So possibly, we could get a higher value than 876,000, potentially, okay, thank you.

1253
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:49,020
Thank you.

1254
01:46:49,020 --> 01:46:49,660
Thank you.

1255
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:50,580
Thank you.

1256
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:55,720
Mr. Mayor, now speakers on the side of.

1257
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:55,940
All right.

1258
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:56,580
Thank you.

1259
01:46:59,040 --> 01:46:59,880
I

1260
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:07,030
think there's opportunity with this site for civic use.

1261
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:13,710
Obviously, there's potential trailhead with the development opportunity.

1262
01:47:14,290 --> 01:47:20,510
But I think that there's more opportunity there as well as we look at pocket parks in communities

1263
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:24,130
and the existing pocket park for that community.

1264
01:47:24,130 --> 01:47:37,740
happen to cross a road and go, I think that there's a potential here to look at how that could

1265
01:47:37,740 --> 01:47:44,980
play out as a park. And I think we also haven't done, we haven't gone to the overstate board yet.

1266
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:50,640
We haven't said, look, this is going to be really hard to build on. It's going to be really expensive.

1267
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:55,760
if it's got all these issues, we resound it on ourselves, right?

1268
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:02,000
Through the general plan, like, would you honor this lower price for us to buy this property

1269
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,860
and do it? Why shouldn't we ask that question before we go through all this program or

1270
01:48:07,860 --> 01:48:16,460
all if it's something that we do have a desire to use? I don't see, yeah, I

1271
01:48:22,180 --> 01:48:23,960
guess my concern

1272
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:28,960
with keeping all of these parcels as the money to purchase them?

1273
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,080
Right, yes, my concern too.

1274
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,760
What would that money come from for purchase this?

1275
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:41,890
Again, we'd have to look at, you know, our available funds.

1276
01:48:42,110 --> 01:48:43,750
It could be general funds, special projects.

1277
01:48:43,870 --> 01:48:47,690
It just sort of depends on, you know, where we would want to identify it.

1278
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:50,010
So I don't know where I would pay for it from.

1279
01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:53,030
But I think it would depend on the value, right?

1280
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:54,210
The amount that we were.

1281
01:48:54,210 --> 01:48:59,050
Right. It was a park use. It would be more money than we'd want to spend on parks.

1282
01:48:59,370 --> 01:49:01,410
It's worth thinking now.

1283
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:04,310
Yeah, Mr. American, I've built on that question. This is just for staff in general.

1284
01:49:05,070 --> 01:49:07,430
Obviously, we don't know which funding it could come from.

1285
01:49:08,050 --> 01:49:16,290
Is it conceivable that if we did want to purchase it, that that could affect our ability to fund CIPs,

1286
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:18,330
that ultimately we want to move forward with?

1287
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:27,860
Yes, Dr. Crash, it's a possibility if some of our CAP projects depends on the general fund or special projects ones.

1288
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,040
Okay, thank you.

1289
01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:32,500
It's pretty much undevelopable.

1290
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:34,780
I mean, the trailhead access there.

1291
01:49:34,980 --> 01:49:41,900
That trail is something that we're looking at probably like 20 years, 30 years from now that being built up.

1292
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:49,100
It was sooner than that, but there's multiple areas to put a trail ahead to the trail that doesn't exist yet.

1293
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:55,490
I don't feel great.

1294
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:59,970
A couple of buying that and turning it into a park when our parks need so much more that is...

1295
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:09,120
And that undevelopable rocky dirty spot in the corner. So, I walked into spend money on that, but having

1296
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:16,560
it stay open, isn't bad either. I'm going to develop on it. So, that's what I'm sitting right

1297
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:16,820
now.

1298
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:28,260
My wouldn't be go with staff recommendation. To me, as a reminder, we're broke. And I've got a lot of things

1299
01:50:28,260 --> 01:50:38,260
want to do? And I believe staff's evaluation that this property might be priced artificially

1300
01:50:38,260 --> 01:50:43,000
high. Why not let it go through and then we have the tangible evidence to go back to the

1301
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:47,540
board and say this is the silver price. I don't the answer your question counts from Barrett.

1302
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:53,700
I don't see any downside to asking, hey, did you guys let us buy it for a buck or whatever

1303
01:50:53,700 --> 01:51:00,000
the price might be. But in the absence of doing that and getting that answer back, then I

1304
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:04,900
would say let's move staff for a explanation. Yeah, we're going to buy it because it's not

1305
01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:11,280
developable and worthless. And then it can just be anything we want really. But putting money into

1306
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,120
that versus what we're bleeding money, I couldn't do that.

1307
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:20,780
But I do think there's a valid question.

1308
01:51:20,780 --> 01:51:27,620
And I don't know if we can modify this to find out if there is a conversation to be asked

1309
01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:35,800
to your point, y'all, so I'm very, yeah, and I guess I'd ask for staff to take a guess

1310
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:37,720
is that a viable outcome?

1311
01:51:40,630 --> 01:51:43,190
As far as can approach any oversight board?

1312
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:45,710
Yeah, and just kidding, we're not going to pay that.

1313
01:51:47,530 --> 01:51:50,450
You know, I don't think there's any harm in asking.

1314
01:51:50,450 --> 01:52:05,390
Um, you know, the oversight board is tasked with, you know, selling property and, and, and wrapping up redevelopment agency activities that are in a, the most advantageous way to the taxing entities that's their, um, sort of, uh, goal, right.

1315
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:18,610
So there's no, um, harm and asking first and then if they're kind of like, well, they may come back and say, well, have you even tried to sell it and you know, what if anything do come back and that's the response, then we can come back and say this is what they told us.

1316
01:52:18,610 --> 01:52:22,970
we should probably move it through the surplus land act if it's not successful then we'd like

1317
01:52:22,970 --> 01:52:28,110
you're saying Tom would have or Mr. Means would have the intangible or the tangible evidence

1318
01:52:28,110 --> 01:52:33,990
to go back to them with and have a better conversation. So it could go, you know, two things

1319
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:39,270
can be done at this, you know, in that regard. Yeah, I'd be in an, I don't know, maybe cutting off

1320
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:45,490
conversation. I mean, I'm inclined to ask staff to have that conversation if the door is shut,

1321
01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:51,650
then perceive a staff recommendation if there's an opening to that conversation. We're not in a rush.

1322
01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:56,750
This this land isn't going to all of a sudden, you know, be a hot ticket item.

1323
01:52:57,950 --> 01:53:01,590
So if there is an opening, let's hear it again, let's talk about it.

1324
01:53:02,530 --> 01:53:09,750
So if this land sits vacant and does not get built upon and we don't want to buy it either, what happens to it?

1325
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:27,390
That's an excellent question. I would think, you know, at that point, you know, the oversight board does have to get these sort of properties off of their books, and so again, that may just go more towards even if we did want to buy it, like a much reduced land value just to clear it off off the oversight board books.

1326
01:53:27,550 --> 01:53:30,070
Right, which would be my goal.

1327
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:35,650
Yeah, and then you can, you vacant forever until we wanted to do something with it, right?

1328
01:53:36,210 --> 01:53:36,690
Perfect.

1329
01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:46,290
You buy a per dollar and have a park there. Well, I mean, I think the opportunity of the park allows for an opportunity at a different location

1330
01:53:46,290 --> 01:53:49,530
if that makes sense without going too far.

1331
01:53:49,870 --> 01:53:50,090
So,

1332
01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:51,570
Oh, you were watching.

1333
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:53,710
So,

1334
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:56,550
That's where I'm coming from.

1335
01:53:56,750 --> 01:54:01,090
So I think the more that we ask and talk to the oversight board,

1336
01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:02,630
I don't see a harm in asking.

1337
01:54:05,450 --> 01:54:11,090
But is my suggestion acceptable to you that we ask?

1338
01:54:11,390 --> 01:54:11,430
Absolutely.

1339
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:12,510
It's hard to know.

1340
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:12,730
Yep.

1341
01:54:13,150 --> 01:54:16,170
Move to the process and if it isn't, then we open up and have another discussion.

1342
01:54:17,290 --> 01:54:20,350
So you asked the question that you do a price for what would cost?

1343
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:21,830
Is it a dollar?

1344
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:22,930
Well, it's on the ask.

1345
01:54:23,810 --> 01:54:24,850
Where's your cutoff point?

1346
01:54:24,850 --> 01:54:28,110
let's play this game again. Where do you cut that off at?

1347
01:54:28,570 --> 01:54:33,330
I have no idea what the value of that property would be until it goes through the process

1348
01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:37,550
and we see that nobody wants to buy it at any price that I will offer a dollar.

1349
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:41,650
Because it can come back with a number that's still high but a lot lower than it is now,

1350
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:44,570
but it could be lower if no one bought it obviously.

1351
01:54:45,090 --> 01:54:47,890
Sure. But we wouldn't know what it's asking the question.

1352
01:54:48,670 --> 01:54:53,230
Okay, so the gist of it with me is I don't want to spend a lot of money on any of this stuff.

1353
01:54:53,230 --> 01:54:57,910
And if it's free, I'll take it. So if you want to find that out in a certain way, I'm okay with that too.

1354
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:09,140
So to clarify what we'll do and staff will use directed to approach the oversight board about purchasing

1355
01:55:09,140 --> 01:55:15,020
the property for park space or open spaces uses for the city's to retain. Take their temperature

1356
01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:19,900
on that and see where they come back and then return to city council with that direction or if

1357
01:55:19,900 --> 01:55:25,000
it's a flat-no move forward with surplus in the property and seeing what happens.

1358
01:55:25,540 --> 01:55:34,700
I'm comfortable with if it's a flat now moving forward and if it's anything but a flat now then we get talked about it again

1359
01:55:34,700 --> 01:55:40,480
And ensure we can provide a box item or something you know if we do if it is flat now when we move to the process

1360
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,400
We would also see as the successor agency board the resolution coming back to surplus

1361
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,320
It's so you'd have that you know notification as well.

1362
01:55:51,420 --> 01:55:54,280
Is that enough direction? Do you need to move and give a second all that?

1363
01:55:55,620 --> 01:56:00,980
We need to do, there's a recommendation here, so we have to modify that recommendation.

1364
01:56:02,060 --> 01:56:02,160
Yeah.

1365
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:05,860
Yeah.

1366
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,280
I think I'm going to stand up for clarify that.

1367
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:14,200
We would approach the oversight board and determine if they'd be willing to sell the property

1368
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,220
at lower costs.

1369
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:19,320
If they do, then we would come back to the City Council report back on that.

1370
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,940
But if it's a flat now, then we would proceed with a surplus land act process.

1371
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:31,020
Yeah, and the only other thing because we had two recommendations one for the City Council piece in the successor agency, do we just have no

1372
01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:37,740
Recommendation on the successor agency piece at this point or that's the only it's so weird

1373
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,500
Or let me see

1374
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:50,340
Maybe it's still relevant. We would kind of purchase the property and to go back and have that discussion and then return back to us

1375
01:56:52,930 --> 01:56:54,790
if a deal can be made.

1376
01:56:55,790 --> 01:56:56,750
Got it.

1377
01:56:59,090 --> 01:56:59,650
Say it again.

1378
01:57:00,130 --> 01:57:01,170
Mayor, if you would.

1379
01:57:01,370 --> 01:57:03,530
So the recommendation would work.

1380
01:57:04,270 --> 01:57:08,550
The motion would be to decline the purchase of the property.

1381
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:09,330
Right.

1382
01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:11,790
I've been modified this to.

1383
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:14,530
Go back to the successor agency.

1384
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:17,890
To get a better deal on that.

1385
01:57:18,370 --> 01:57:19,910
If the answer is flat.

1386
01:57:19,970 --> 01:57:23,830
No, it's what it is then to go through the.

1387
01:57:28,970 --> 01:57:32,830
I think the change is that we go back to the oversight board.

1388
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:37,080
Do you want to read that off?

1389
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,500
It's like, but you're going to try.

1390
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:45,860
So for the City Council, the emotion is to decline the purchase of the property at this time.

1391
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:52,440
But approach the oversight board and to determine whether or not they want to sell the property

1392
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:58,280
the lower value. If the answer is yes, we will return to the city council and report on that in a

1393
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:03,860
per final decision. If the answer is no, then the successor agency will move forward with the

1394
01:58:03,860 --> 01:58:05,340
surface land act process.

1395
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:14,420
That's fine. It seems like it might make more sense to 0.1 and 2 here,

1396
01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:20,720
0.2 and 3. Our point one being approach the board, see if they'll do anything. If the answer is no,

1397
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:26,260
then proceed as recommended, as opposed to declining it, and then finding out if they'd

1398
01:58:26,260 --> 01:58:27,380
offer a lower amount.

1399
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:33,200
Now we've already declined it, but we would need to go back and, so I think we asked first.

1400
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:37,060
If the answer is no, proceed with staff recommendation all the way through.

1401
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:39,780
If the answer is anything but no, we get to talk about it again.

1402
01:58:43,620 --> 01:58:44,780
Do we need to clarify it again?

1403
01:58:45,580 --> 01:58:46,600
I'm clear in that.

1404
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:48,720
We're all clear in that.

1405
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:48,840
We're all clear in that.

1406
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:49,120
We're all clear in that.

1407
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:49,220
We're all clear in that.

1408
01:58:49,220 --> 01:58:49,940
We're all clear in that.

1409
01:58:51,860 --> 01:58:52,500
We're all clear in that.

1410
01:58:52,500 --> 01:58:59,540
that. So everyone is in. Yeah. Grants. Okay. All right. So you want to make a motion?

1411
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,320
Sure.

1412
01:59:04,090 --> 01:59:05,550
I'd like to hear that out of your mouth, Mayor. Please.

1413
01:59:06,810 --> 01:59:09,410
No, that's not if you want to make the motion. Oh, I thought you said you want me to make the motion.

1414
01:59:09,790 --> 01:59:14,730
Would you like to make the motion? Shucks. I move exactly what we just discussed.

1415
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:19,910
I'll second. We have a motion in a second as amended.

1416
01:59:21,810 --> 01:59:23,230
All in favor?

1417
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:24,070
Aye.

1418
01:59:24,430 --> 01:59:24,450
Aye.

1419
01:59:24,590 --> 01:59:24,890
Any pose?

1420
01:59:26,090 --> 01:59:26,270
Okay.

1421
01:59:27,790 --> 01:59:28,200
Got it.

1422
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:33,600
Next is presentation.

1423
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:35,480
Action discussion item 10D.

1424
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,680
That's a considered enhanced infrastructure financing districts.

1425
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:40,160
Mr. Gaga Hannah.

1426
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:42,080
Thank you, Mayor.

1427
01:59:42,220 --> 01:59:42,520
Council.

1428
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:48,460
So this evening I will be providing an overview of enhanced infrastructure financing districts.

1429
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,940
EIFDs are not new taxes.

1430
01:59:52,940 --> 01:59:59,160
Senate Bill 628 created EIFDs back in 2014 after the

1431
01:59:59,160 --> 01:59:59,960
solution of redevelopment.

1432
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:17,360
Parliament in 2012. EIFE's capture, future, property tax increment growth to fund infrastructure and capital projects, such as roads, facilities, parks, trails, water, sewer, flood control, business, facade improvements, property acquisition, long-term deferred maintenance or rehabilitation.

1433
02:00:18,940 --> 02:00:27,140
District boundaries for EIFE's include areas for growth, although it could be an entire city or county, and we've seen those happen.

1434
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:34,000
These district boundaries do not need to be contiguous, but can be used anywhere in the city,

1435
02:00:34,340 --> 02:00:36,940
as long as they have community wide impacts.

1436
02:00:37,940 --> 02:00:43,980
Cities may establish its own EIFD, or a may partner with another taxing agency, such

1437
02:00:43,980 --> 02:00:52,220
as a county, to capture a portion, for instance, the county's tax increment, to return that

1438
02:00:52,220 --> 02:00:57,940
investment back to the district, and I will note that participation EIFDs are completely

1439
02:00:57,940 --> 02:00:58,580
voluntary.

1440
02:01:00,980 --> 02:01:04,660
For city county partnerships, these have occurred throughout the state.

1441
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:10,960
It is a win-win in many scenarios, because the county will not realize those property

1442
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:17,620
tax growth without the city's investment in time resources and getting those projects developed

1443
02:01:17,620 --> 02:01:26,380
through entitlement process, etc. Public financing authorities will have to be established separately,

1444
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:34,200
and they would be made up of the taxing entity representatives, as well as members of the public

1445
02:01:35,780 --> 02:01:38,360
to oversee the EIFDs once they're established.

1446
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:46,620
This graph or this illustration shows you how the tax

1447
02:01:46,620 --> 02:01:54,780
Incident financing works as private property investment occurs or new development occurs within a city or district.

1448
02:01:55,340 --> 02:02:01,260
They will increase property tax revenue from their increased new property values.

1449
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:15,040
And when capturing those increased values, those increments could be then deposited into tax financing funds such as an EIFD, which can then be used to fund for public improvements.

1450
02:02:16,740 --> 02:02:26,760
This graph shows you if a EIFD is formed and established there is a baseline property value

1451
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:34,660
that is established and then at that point any new property value and feature tax increment

1452
02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:41,780
would then be captured above that baseline value and again a portion of that between the city

1453
02:02:41,780 --> 02:02:44,640
or county could then be used for those types of improvements.

1454
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:50,580
After a set data period of time in this graph, it shows you about a 45-year period.

1455
02:02:51,260 --> 02:02:57,200
Once the district has concluded its collection of the portion of property tax increments,

1456
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:03,600
then it would revert back to the city of the county receiving their normal regular property tax revenues

1457
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,100
back into their respective general funds.

1458
02:03:09,620 --> 02:03:14,960
In terms of a discussion timeline, since this has been brought up by the Council, we first

1459
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:23,000
mentioned this to you last August during our financial strategies workshop, and EIFDs was

1460
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:28,300
a tool that you directed staff to further explore and come back to you at a future date.

1461
02:03:29,340 --> 02:03:34,780
After August, between September, December, last year, City staff had preliminary discussions

1462
02:03:34,780 --> 02:03:40,640
with the county of Interior about establishing an EIFD and possibly partnering with them.

1463
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:47,320
At that point, we also invited our real estate consultant earlier this year in January to have

1464
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:53,700
the meet with our own city staff to provide information about EIFDs and answer any questions or

1465
02:03:53,700 --> 02:04:00,860
concerns staff may have about them. During this period of time, we also began hearing other cities

1466
02:04:00,860 --> 02:04:08,360
approach the county about establishing EIFD. And at that point, the county had informed

1467
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:14,120
myself and city staff that they would be putting together a county policy regarding EIFDs

1468
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:20,120
because, again, many cities had been approaching them about it such as more part. And so earlier

1469
02:04:20,120 --> 02:04:28,000
the year in May, the county went ahead and adopted an EIFD policy. And then some highlights of that

1470
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:32,800
policy or the discussions that took place at that May Board of Supervisors meeting.

1471
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:41,020
The auditor controller indicated that they would work with cities to identify tax rate

1472
02:04:41,020 --> 02:04:41,820
area boundaries.

1473
02:04:43,060 --> 02:04:51,080
Also the county also mentioned that they could establish an enlimited number of EIFD and

1474
02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:56,180
partnerships with cities or other taxing agencies and it could be formed on a first come

1475
02:04:56,180 --> 02:04:59,940
for serve bases, but they could decide as a county to...

1476
02:05:00,140 --> 02:05:05,880
Stop establishing them at a certain period of time based on their decision.

1477
02:05:06,820 --> 02:05:15,260
And then the county also under their policy-capped tax increment contribution limits to 50% with performance triggers.

1478
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:25,540
Other cities that expressed interest at that Board of Supervisors meeting was the city of Thousand Oaks and also the city of Ventura.

1479
02:05:25,540 --> 02:05:33,520
The Ventura County Tax period is also made a public comment during that meeting, but they're

1480
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:39,580
not opposed to EIFDs, but they do have concerns about issuing any debt service and the

1481
02:05:39,580 --> 02:05:43,000
optimistic assumptions of future property value growth.

1482
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:53,600
For more parts of property tax break down under Prop 13, we're basically cap basic property

1483
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:57,000
tax at 1% of assessed value or purchase price.

1484
02:05:57,300 --> 02:05:59,980
And these are then capped up to 2% annually.

1485
02:06:01,380 --> 02:06:05,800
The city of more park receives a total of 9 cents out of every property tax dollar.

1486
02:06:05,980 --> 02:06:08,980
There is a also a supplemental submitted this evening.

1487
02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:16,700
There was a typo in the staff report on the 9 cents rather than mistakenly indicating

1488
02:06:16,700 --> 02:06:21,880
90 cents on there and then in terms of how much the city receives for

1489
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:27,700
property tax approximately about $5 million per year goes into the general fund

1490
02:06:27,700 --> 02:06:32,460
and then 1.4 million portion of it goes to the library fund.

1491
02:06:36,020 --> 02:06:41,400
In terms of the steps to establish an EIFD, they would first need to be a

1492
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:46,720
feasibility and analysis where we would sort of define the boundaries that

1493
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:53,540
to estimate any future revenues with the projects would be the cost and you know preliminary

1494
02:06:53,540 --> 02:07:01,260
fiscal analysis would be done as well. At that point we would conduct an outreach to other

1495
02:07:01,260 --> 02:07:07,500
taxing entities, property owners, the county for instance, to determine their interest in partnering

1496
02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:16,280
with us based on the analysis that we would generate and then come out to.

1497
02:07:16,780 --> 02:07:20,980
And then if there is an interest, we would initiate the formal process with a resolution

1498
02:07:20,980 --> 02:07:27,300
of a tent, establish the public financing authority, identify membership, then we would

1499
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:33,980
prepare an infrastructure financing plan where we would identify all the list of projects

1500
02:07:33,980 --> 02:07:40,940
to be included in this, the financing plan, the projections, dates, duration, et cetera.

1501
02:07:41,740 --> 02:07:46,360
Then we would go through a pre-adoption phase informing the taxing entities and partners,

1502
02:07:46,660 --> 02:07:51,860
as well as the property owners within that district, and then we'd go through a series of

1503
02:07:51,860 --> 02:07:59,760
public hearings, any majority protests would stop the establishment in EIFD, and then at that point

1504
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:06,720
would go through the approval or formation process if the taxing entities all agreed to establish

1505
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:07,380
it.

1506
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:16,260
In terms of eligible EIFD projects, it's generally any property or project with a useful

1507
02:08:16,260 --> 02:08:22,020
life of 15 plus years that has community-wide impacts or significance, so you can see here

1508
02:08:22,020 --> 02:08:30,060
anything from water, sewer infrastructure to roads, parking, parks, open space, any city facilities,

1509
02:08:30,060 --> 02:08:36,180
libraries, et cetera, could be used in the EIFD funds.

1510
02:08:38,590 --> 02:08:41,250
This is the list of EIFDs that

1511
02:08:41,250 --> 02:08:46,510
have form in California throughout the state. I know there is a growing number of

1512
02:08:46,510 --> 02:08:52,730
cities and counties looking into this at the moment. This next slide shows you

1513
02:08:52,730 --> 02:08:58,330
EIFDs that have city and counties, partnerships specifically. You could see the

1514
02:08:58,330 --> 02:09:05,030
that are with L.A. County and the respect of cities there, as well as other counties, Central

1515
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:11,510
Northern California. Southern California that is related to things again, water sewer roads,

1516
02:09:11,810 --> 02:09:28,310
flood control, revitalizing a downtown area or commercial area, for instance, so you can kind of

1517
02:09:29,170 --> 02:09:57,110
If the council was to direct staff to proceed and exploring, considering EIFDs, the next step would really be for the city to contract with a consultant to evaluate the EIFD feasibility whereby we could identify the boundaries, estimate the future property values, estimate the future tax increments for both the city and the county, and also identify a possible public facilities and projects.

1518
02:09:57,110 --> 02:09:59,970
to be included, and then in-

1519
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,940
Any other funding sources that would be in addition to the tax increment we would receive.

1520
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:13,060
Costs of a consultant to do this feasibilities estimated between 30,000 to 35,000 dollars.

1521
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:20,940
We would then, as results of the feasibility analysis would then be presented back to the city council of future date.

1522
02:10:20,940 --> 02:10:26,800
And then the council at that point could decide whether to proceed or not, perhaps the decision

1523
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:31,760
to not move forward could be because of the estimated tax increment returns are very low

1524
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:36,940
and may not have a significant impact on future projects we have.

1525
02:10:37,480 --> 02:10:44,000
Or you may decide to move forward if the estimated tax increment returns are reasonable or high.

1526
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:50,360
And then at that point we would discuss with the county if they're interested in participating and partnering with us.

1527
02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:58,280
And discuss the benefits to the county and other potential county-related projects that is in the district or within the city.

1528
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:08,700
And then we would report back to you if the county would be interested in moving forward with establishing an EIFD.

1529
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:10,940
That concludes my presentation.

1530
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:12,980
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1531
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:14,640
Any questions?

1532
02:11:17,050 --> 02:11:17,470
Go ahead.

1533
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:23,170
The lever, an example that you provided significantly under performed its original tax increment

1534
02:11:23,170 --> 02:11:28,990
projections, what assumptions would more park use to avoid overestimating revenue and what

1535
02:11:28,990 --> 02:11:34,230
happens to plan projects if actual increment comes in while under the predictions?

1536
02:11:35,310 --> 02:11:39,810
Yeah, the two samples I provide in the staff for one of which was the city of Leverne

1537
02:11:39,810 --> 02:11:46,850
and their partnership with LA County and that has resulted in lower returns or tax increment

1538
02:11:46,850 --> 02:11:53,310
returns that they expected. However, they are using the lower amounts to then still combine

1539
02:11:53,310 --> 02:11:59,030
it with other funding sources so that they could move forward on some of their capital projects.

1540
02:12:00,230 --> 02:12:07,790
I think what we could do is if the returns are not as high as we expect, if we were to

1541
02:12:07,790 --> 02:12:13,910
establish one and you know, find out it didn't turn out as we expected, we could always reassess

1542
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:18,890
determine if this is still valuable to move forward and in partnership with the county.

1543
02:12:19,170 --> 02:12:24,290
So we could always make that adjustment in the future, but, you know, it's really hard to

1544
02:12:24,290 --> 02:12:30,270
obviously predict. I mean, we have some development projects underway that we probably know

1545
02:12:30,270 --> 02:12:37,670
are going to happen. And so that is one way we could, you know, at least establish a certain set of

1546
02:12:37,670 --> 02:12:44,150
assumptions about what we could realistically receive in terms of future property value growth,

1547
02:12:44,630 --> 02:12:51,510
but for projects that are sort of questionable at this point, perhaps maybe we leave those out,

1548
02:12:51,710 --> 02:12:55,350
so that it's not part of our substance, so we're very conservative in our projections.

1549
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:06,100
One more question. If more park uses the pay as you go as opposed to issuing debt, do we have any idea

1550
02:13:06,100 --> 02:13:12,680
how many years it would take before it could accumulate enough money to make a tangible difference

1551
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:13,360
on a project?

1552
02:13:14,060 --> 02:13:18,640
Yeah, I mean, that's going to be part of that feasibility analysis, so we could sort of estimate

1553
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:23,400
and determine how much actual money we're going to get in the future, that could make sort

1554
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:28,500
of a significant impact on a capital project or projects that we identify.

1555
02:13:29,580 --> 02:13:32,520
But at this point in time, yeah, I wouldn't really know it's half of my head what that would

1556
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:35,880
but that analysis would provide us that information.

1557
02:13:36,740 --> 02:13:38,500
And maybe this also goes with that analysis,

1558
02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:40,920
but do we have any idea how much county participation

1559
02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:44,400
would realistically be needed

1560
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:49,380
in order to just even support administrative and consultant costs?

1561
02:13:50,420 --> 02:13:51,580
Yeah, I mean at this point,

1562
02:13:51,580 --> 02:13:53,440
I mean it seems to me that the county

1563
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:56,180
with them establishing this EIFD policy

1564
02:13:57,260 --> 02:13:59,680
they're at least open to the discussion

1565
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:03,440
and consideration when cities approach them about this.

1566
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:08,500
So I know there are some movement and some traction going on with the other cities that are

1567
02:14:08,500 --> 02:14:12,560
a little bit ahead of us on this about consideration.

1568
02:14:12,900 --> 02:14:19,280
I mean, there was a five of a book by the Board of Supervisors to consider this going forward.

1569
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:27,940
I just have a quick question about protecting the management portion of it.

1570
02:14:28,700 --> 02:14:33,240
So I mean, it seems like the composition of the EI of these vary depending upon who

1571
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:38,380
participates, regardless of the composition, larger, small, where do the administrative costs

1572
02:14:38,380 --> 02:14:44,980
generally reside, or those split between the county and the EID participants, or is that burden

1573
02:14:44,980 --> 02:14:49,360
completely assumed by those, you know, whatever the composition is of the EID?

1574
02:14:49,860 --> 02:14:54,610
Yeah, that's actually a really good question that, you know, at this point, actually that

1575
02:14:55,590 --> 02:14:59,910
I'm sure D.A. has here might be able to fill in the blanks there.

1576
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,820
Because if we're not yet generating tax increment, obviously funds sooner than later, would assume

1577
02:15:08,820 --> 02:15:13,160
that it's split between the city and the county, but yesterday I guess can properly answer

1578
02:15:13,160 --> 02:15:13,660
that.

1579
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:14,820
Thank you.

1580
02:15:14,980 --> 02:15:15,560
Good evening, Mayor.

1581
02:15:15,580 --> 02:15:16,400
Members of the city council.

1582
02:15:17,220 --> 02:15:20,980
So, typically the costs are initially borne by the sponsoring entity, which would

1583
02:15:20,980 --> 02:15:22,140
be used to be of more part.

1584
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:26,880
And then those costs and other costs that go along with the formation are typically

1585
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,560
reimbursable by the revenues as they come in.

1586
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:34,720
So if it is a county partnership, it would essentially be splitting, but the city is the one advancing.

1587
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:40,440
And my follow question is in general, I'm just going to use the term starter cost, right?

1588
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:46,260
So for in Jenna, is it two to three years that the city is bearing the bulk of that responsibility

1589
02:15:46,260 --> 02:15:49,480
before they start to see the receipts coming in?

1590
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:51,120
Two to three years. Okay, thank you.

1591
02:15:54,770 --> 02:16:01,950
Just one clarifying question. Could we make the geographic boundaries of an EIFD consistent with the

1592
02:16:01,950 --> 02:16:08,510
limits? Yes, we can do that. Mr. Means, thank you. Any more questions?

1593
02:16:12,110 --> 02:16:17,470
There's a comment saying that we would go through a consultant to go through this process,

1594
02:16:17,490 --> 02:16:21,950
the CFO is going to work and then once we decide if it was going to work, we would then approach the county

1595
02:16:21,950 --> 02:16:31,010
to see if they would partner up with this on this. You said that the county is in favor of this process,

1596
02:16:31,010 --> 02:16:34,270
But is there a limit where they wouldn't be in favor?

1597
02:16:34,530 --> 02:16:38,370
And do you know, I'm kind of asking you that estimate this now?

1598
02:16:38,690 --> 02:16:42,750
But are we, is it look favorable or is it look like we're on the edge of this?

1599
02:16:42,930 --> 02:16:45,070
Well, I would say that the county's open to it.

1600
02:16:45,690 --> 02:16:49,510
I think it depends on what we approach them with,

1601
02:16:49,810 --> 02:16:55,150
to see what type of impacts to the county would benefit them.

1602
02:16:55,150 --> 02:17:03,570
And also, you know, the expected property tax increment that could be generated so that it

1603
02:17:03,570 --> 02:17:07,370
substantial enough that they could see the impacts about the city and the county.

1604
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:15,190
Have we done any estimating based off of what we know so far on this whole procedure because

1605
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:19,050
obviously if we're going to hire a consultant and we have no idea if he's going to tell us it's

1606
02:17:19,050 --> 02:17:23,330
a good idea or not a good idea that doesn't really make much sense, but I want to know

1607
02:17:23,330 --> 02:17:27,170
would we feel comfortable with this or the way we would pan out?

1608
02:17:27,530 --> 02:17:32,830
Yeah, I mean, we haven't been able to determine any initial numbers at this point because

1609
02:17:32,830 --> 02:17:38,810
we'd also want to define the boundaries and what type of projects that could be benefiting

1610
02:17:38,810 --> 02:17:42,890
the city and also could benefit the county as well because I think they'd want their input

1611
02:17:42,890 --> 02:17:45,550
about their county infrastructure within the city limits.

1612
02:17:46,290 --> 02:17:51,410
But the boundaries itself, I think we would provide you with various scenarios, whether it's

1613
02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:56,670
just the growth areas within the city or as councilmember means suggest that it could be

1614
02:17:56,670 --> 02:18:02,550
the entire city so that we capture any property value increase in the future regardless

1615
02:18:02,550 --> 02:18:03,590
of where it's located.

1616
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:09,310
Okay, is that something that should be decided before we get into this project or is that something

1617
02:18:09,310 --> 02:18:12,470
that we should be seeing the different options of?

1618
02:18:12,550 --> 02:18:17,710
Yeah, I think if we do the feasibility analysis, I would want to see those scenarios and present

1619
02:18:17,710 --> 02:18:19,090
that to you.

1620
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:22,540
Any other questions?

1621
02:18:23,860 --> 02:18:24,360
Give me any speakers.

1622
02:18:26,220 --> 02:18:28,280
We do have one speaker card, but I do not see

1623
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:30,560
the individual in the chambers.

1624
02:18:31,500 --> 02:18:33,720
The annual police did submit a card,

1625
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:36,580
and also submit a supplemental for it.

1626
02:18:36,940 --> 02:18:38,120
OK, thank you.

1627
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:39,620
OK, a little bit of discussion.

1628
02:18:43,420 --> 02:18:45,760
Once again, we've got to pay money to see if it's a good idea.

1629
02:18:46,300 --> 02:18:50,240
That's always a hard thing to get behind.

1630
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:52,680
but what are the thoughts on this?

1631
02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:55,220
Dr. Castro.

1632
02:18:55,800 --> 02:18:57,100
Again, I want to thank staff.

1633
02:18:57,200 --> 02:19:00,800
This is another idea that was suggested and you brought it forward.

1634
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:07,000
Getting into it now, I start to see why it's even more complex than it seemed like before.

1635
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:11,540
So there's, I didn't anticipate that there would be some risk elements.

1636
02:19:11,740 --> 02:19:14,600
It seemed like, oh, there's only this upside right, but obviously there's a risk.

1637
02:19:15,080 --> 02:19:21,580
But I do think based on what the city manager shared, the current temperament and

1638
02:19:21,580 --> 02:19:28,300
position of the county, the Board of Supervisors, it seems like it wouldn't be a good idea

1639
02:19:28,300 --> 02:19:35,620
to be the last to the table. So I, although I know we've had a lot of questions about the

1640
02:19:35,620 --> 02:19:42,540
cost of consultants. If there isn't upside to this, it seems really to our advantage to be the

1641
02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:45,320
first to explore. So that's my initial part.

1642
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:49,320
I'm going to jump in and agree with that.

1643
02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:56,540
I think this is an opportunity to lead in the county and if we're already a little behind,

1644
02:19:56,980 --> 02:19:58,500
you know, maybe catch up.

1645
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:08,920
If we move forward, I would definitely want that direction that we go full force fast.

1646
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:20,000
Yeah, I can correct. First come first serve. And eventually, if enough of these come in front of the county, the county is going to say, well, wait, we can't do any more of that.

1647
02:20:20,360 --> 02:20:24,580
To keep our dollars at home right now, all these projects we do, we got a CIP list.

1648
02:20:24,580 --> 02:20:30,080
from make the boundaries, the city limits, we've got our CIP list, we know what we want to do.

1649
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:32,900
I mean, we can pick and choose as we want to.

1650
02:20:34,780 --> 02:20:37,260
And in invest, we keep dollars in home.

1651
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:44,180
I fully, I hate $35,000 for a consultant to tell me that we're going to make money.

1652
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:46,880
I don't want to go and take on debt load.

1653
02:20:47,740 --> 02:20:53,900
I want it to be a pays you go, but we got enough CIPs that we pay as you go, that will constantly be a benefit.

1654
02:20:53,900 --> 02:20:58,260
So assuming that there is no other way to get that report

1655
02:20:58,260 --> 02:21:02,940
conclusive and convincing, I think we move forward with the, what's the consultant?

1656
02:21:03,880 --> 02:21:08,180
Yeah, I'm concerned about the upkeep infrastructure, obviously,

1657
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:13,400
but our finances and if we're the last of the table with this, we can lose out a lot on that.

1658
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:23,420
So I'm in favor of it. I wish we could see a little bit more of the feasibility before we engage into a

1659
02:21:23,420 --> 02:21:31,040
It's holding agreement, but I think what you've been saying is looking pretty much like it

1660
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:31,720
would be straightforward.

1661
02:21:34,020 --> 02:21:34,680
Yes, Mayor.

1662
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:35,380
Let's go.

1663
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:38,900
Any else?

1664
02:21:39,220 --> 02:21:39,400
No.

1665
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:42,700
That's pretty good direction.

1666
02:21:43,660 --> 02:21:44,600
We'll also be on the same page.

1667
02:21:44,740 --> 02:21:45,080
That's good.

1668
02:21:45,080 --> 02:21:46,740
Would Dr. Gastreson?

1669
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:47,220
No, man.

1670
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:54,700
We have consensus then to have staff move forward further considering this and contract services

1671
02:21:54,700 --> 02:21:57,540
with a consultant to determine the feasibility.

1672
02:21:58,160 --> 02:21:59,000
That's correct.

1673
02:21:59,600 --> 02:21:59,940
Thank you.

1674
02:22:02,500 --> 02:22:04,240
Yeah, if we can reach up, I agree.

1675
02:22:04,600 --> 02:22:05,320
Just make it work.

1676
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:07,300
Okay.

1677
02:22:13,210 --> 02:22:14,610
Excitement is 11 ordinances.

1678
02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:15,990
There are none this evening.

1679
02:22:16,970 --> 02:22:17,970
All by close session.

1680
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:19,250
Yes, Rebecca Hanna.

1681
02:22:20,110 --> 02:22:22,590
There are no close session items this evening there.

1682
02:22:22,690 --> 02:22:22,990
All right.

1683
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:23,750
Thank you.

1684
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:26,210
As I said, 13, I'll make a motion to adjourn on favor.

1685
02:22:26,830 --> 02:22:26,930
All right.

1686
02:22:27,570 --> 02:22:27,990
Thank you.

1687
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:28,950
and good night more birds.