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Good evening and welcome to the study session of the

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city council of the city of Moreno Valley. Since Senate

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Bill 707 became effective on July 1st, 2026. We are

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pleased to offer expanded public access to our meetings. This

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means the public may participate in person by phone or

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virtually. For assistance with virtual or phone participation during public

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comment. Please see the teleconferencing and public participation notice that

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is posted on our city website and is made available

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to you at the back table here in the council

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chamber. The city council receives a separate stipend for CSD

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meetings and I now call this meeting to order on

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September 8th, 2026 at 602 p. m. Would any of

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my colleagues like to lead us in the pledge today.

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Mayor Protem Gonzalez will lead us in the pledge this

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evening. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the Republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God and divisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you Mayor Protein. Next up we will go to

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item C, roll call please. Thank you Mayor. Councilmember Bernard.

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Here. Councilmember Delgado. Here ma'am. Council member Bakasani cruz. Here.

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Mayor Pro Tem Gonzalez. Here. And Mayor Cabrera. Here. Thank

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you. Thank you. Next up staff introductions, please. How do

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you Rodriguez City clerk. Paul Bradwicke management analyst. Sonia Gomez

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and your deputy city clerk. Stephen Cantonia City Attorney. Brian

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Mullihan City Manager. Injo Galace, Deputy City Manager. Alicia London,

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chief financial officer, city treasurer. Sean Kelleher, Assistant City Manager

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Development. Angelica Frouse to Lippo Community Development Director. Natalie Potter,

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Humane Resources Director. Jeremy Bobnick, Director of Parks and Community

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Services. Alyssa Walker, Director of Public Works. Kyle Wurszynski, Economic

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Development Director. Theramack, Chief of Police. Thank you very much.

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Next item E, public comments on matters. Excuse me, actually,

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we're going to take this out of order a little

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bit. Usually what we do is we will open up

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an item. We will follow that up. By a staff

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presentation, followed by any council questions, followed by public comment,

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and then we will have deliberation and comments from the

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council. Um, so that's, that's what we'll be doing. But

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just as a friendly reminder that the city now offers

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language translation services through a free app called Wordly. The

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app automatically translates a variety of languages into English and

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vice versa. To use this service, please scan the QR

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code at the speakers sign up table. For the visually

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impaired, please use your earphones or earbuds to listen to

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the verbal translation. If you do not have any such

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listening devices, please let the city clerk know and we

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will gladly let you borrow some for this meeting. La

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ciudad ahora ofrece servicios de traducción de idiomas a través

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de una aplicación gratuita llamada Worldly. Si gustan usar este

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servicio, por favor avísele a la secretaria y entregue una

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tarjeta para hablar. Para usar la traducción escanee el código

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QR que está en la mesa junto a las puertas.

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Before we move on to public comments, I'd like to

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remind everyone to direct our comments to the city council.

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And for comments on items that are on tonight's agenda,

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each speaker will have a total of three minutes to

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comment. Public comments will be taken in the order that

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they are received. It respective of the platform used whether

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in person, by phone or virtual. And just another friendly

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reminder that these study sessions are different from our regular

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council meetings, these study sessions are really too study in

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detail a particular topic in today's case. We have one

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item on the agenda related to data centers. And so

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we'll be studying that topic and public comments should be

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limited to this particular topic. Um, so just as a

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refresher in case it might be your first time bless

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you, in case it might be your first time joining

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us here in the council chamber, um, just wanted to

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give a brief refresher there for you. Item F business,

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we will have a presentation given this evening by public

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works director, Melissa Walker, and that's for item F1 data

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centers, public input and discussion. And at this time we'll

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go ahead and turn it over to public works director,

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Melissa Walker. Good evening honorable mayor pro - Tem and

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council. Uh, Jason Nikolai are the division manager for the

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electric utility will be giving the presentation. Thank you. Good

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evening, good evening. Try that again. Good evening council and

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everyone attending. Our presentation today is called Before the Megawatts

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arrive. What communities should know about data centers. And I

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want to start out by making this clear. This is

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not a presentation about whether data centers are good or

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bad. It is really about understanding what makes this type

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of development different, what communities around the country have experienced

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and what local governments, utilities, public agencies can do before

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a major project is sitting at the development counter. We

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do not have a data center project currently under development

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in marinal valley. But the time to talk about it

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is now. Because by the time a 200, 300 or

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500 megawatt project is formerly submitted, a community may already

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be under pressure to answer some very complicated questions very

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quickly. So today I want to focus less on individual

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projects and more on the questions communities should ask. Before

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ahead of time.

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Thank you. Before we go further, I think it's important

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to define what we mean by a data center. That

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matters because in many communities, including ours, traditional warehouses and

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logistics facilities are becoming more automated. They may use robotics,

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sensors, and software systems, and significant computing power. Uh, to

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coordinate operations. But that does not automatically make them data

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centers. In an automated warehouse, the primary use is still

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logistics fulfillment or distribution. The computing supports the movement of

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goods. In a data center, the computing is the primary

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use. The facility exists to house the servers, storage systems,

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networking equipment, cooling systems, backup power, and security infrastructure that

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support digital services. That distinction is important for policy. If

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a city adopts data center policies without defining use carefully,

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it could unintentionally capture ordinary industrial warehouse projects that simply

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use more automation. You could also fail to distinguish between

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very different kinds of data centers. A smaller enterprise or

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cloud storage facility may have very different impacts than a

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hyperscale facility or an AI - focused campus. So the

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policy question is not simply, is there computing equipment inside

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the building. The better question is, is the primary purpose

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of the facility computing. Data storage, processing, or digital service

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delivery. And does that scale of that activity create infrastructure

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or community impacts that require specialized review. First question

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is, where are we even having this conversation. The answer

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is that the nature of data centers is changing. We

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started with cloud computing, which drastically expanded the amount of

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computing that was being centralized in large facilities. Then artificial

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intelligence accelerated the trend. AI workloads continue, uh, continue to

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retrw tremendous amounts of data processing and rely heavily on

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graphics processing units. Which are powerful chips, designed to handle

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mini tasks simultaneously. And other advanced chips that can consume

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substantially more power than traditional computing equipment. That leads to

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higher computing density. Higher computing density creates more heat. More

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heat requires more cooling. And all of that ultimately leads

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to larger facilities and much larger infrastructure requirements. So the

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regression on this slide is really the story cloud, AI

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higher computing density. Larger facilities, and then much greater requirements

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for electricity, cooling, land, telecommunications and other infrastructure. The industry

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is not just growing. The scale of individual facilities is

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changing. This slide is probably the best way to understand

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just how much the scale has changed. A traditional enterprise

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data center might historically have required something in the range

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of 5 to 20 megawatts and about 100, 000 square

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feet. A modern hyperscale building can be in the range

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of 50 to 150 megawatts or 250 megawatts and about

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800, 000 square feet. And now we're seeing AI focused

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campuses discussed in terms of hundreds of megawatts. And in

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some cases, more than a gigawatt. In terms of size,

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we talk about these projects in the millions of square

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feet. When we start talking about hundreds of megawatts, this

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stops being just another land use application. It becomes energy

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planning issue. It becomes an infrastructure issue. It becomes a

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financial planning issue. And ultimately it becomes a community planning

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issue. For perspective, a single large AI data center building

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can represent an electrical demand that is comparable to or

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even several times larger than the peak demand of some

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municipal utilities. In view, for example, has a current peak

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of about 70 megawatts. The entire city of marinal valley

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only uses about 200 megawatts. That is really the first

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key takeaway. Scale matters. And when the scale changes, the

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questions a community has to answer also change. Of course,

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there is a reason communities are interested in these projects.

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The potential benefits can be significant. Data centers may bring

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more private investment, additional property tax revenue, electric utility revenue.

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Construction employment and investment in infrastructure. Those are real benefits.

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But at the same time, communities also have to consider

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electric capacity, water, land consumption, noise, infrastructure costs, and their

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relatively limited number of permanent employees associated with many of

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these facilities. And that's an important point. The conversation should

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not be framed as benefits versus impacts. Both exist at

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the same time. The real question is, how does a

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particular community weigh those benefits and those trade - offs

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based on its own priorities? What is the attractive. What

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does attractive to one community may not be attractive to

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another. And the answer may be different from one site

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to another within the same community. For utilities, this is

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where the conversation becomes very different. A data center connection

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is more than a meter. To serve a large load,

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we have to think about through electric delivery supply chain.

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And at the, at the customer level, power has to

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be delivered through the distribution system that may require a

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new feeders. It may require new substations. But demanding the

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size of the load, but depending on the size of

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the load, the impacts can extend upstream to the transmission

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system. And beyond transmission, we have to think about generation

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or power procurement. Resource adequacy, capacity, reliability in resilience. So

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the utility has to answer a series of questions. How

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much load is actually being requested. When does it arrive?

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How quickly does the load ramp up? What infrastructure is

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required? Who pays for that infrastructure? What level of reliability

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is being requested? And what happens if the project does

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not materialize? That last question is critical. Probably the most

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important one. The challenge is not only capacity. The challenge

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is certainty. A developer may request several hundred megawatts. In

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response, a utility may begin engineering work, transmission planning. Power

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supply procurement. Capital planning or substation development. Those are not

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small activities. They may require years of work and substantial

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financial commitments. But then the project could change. It could

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shrink. It could be delayed. It could be, it could

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disappear all together. It's one of the biggest utility challenges

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is figuring out how to plan responsibility for very large

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loads without making premature commitments that ultimately create stranded costs.

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And that is why very large developments is not simply

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a technical connection issue. It's also a risk management issue.

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The second major lesson is that resource impacts depend heavily

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on facility design. Two data centers that look almost identical

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from the outside can have very different impacts on the

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community. Cooling is a good example. Air - cooled systems

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generally have relatively low water demand, but they can use

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more electricity for mechanical cooling depending on the conditions. Evaporative

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systems may reduce some energy requirements, but can significantly increase

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water consumption. Hybrid systems attempt to balance those considerations. And

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cool liquid cooling is becoming increasingly important as computers. Competing

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density increases, particularly for AI applications. So when someone asks

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how much water does a data center use, the correct

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answer is it depends on design. The same is true

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for backup power. Historically mini facilities have relied on diesel

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generators. Other projects may consider natural gas, battery energy storage

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systems, or hybrid systems. Each technology comes with a different

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combination of reliability, emissions, operational issues, noise, safety and regulatory

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considerations. So rather than making assumptions based simply on the

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words data center, communities need enough information about the actual

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technology being proposed. Water use, energy use, air quality impacts,

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and noise are interconnected. And in many cases, reducing one

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impact may affect another. A third lesson is that location

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matters. The same facility may be appropriate in one location

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and very difficult to accommodate in another. On the left

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side of this diagram, we have a residential edge. As

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we move toward the more intensive industrial and an infrastructure

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areas, the character of the surrounding land changes. And with

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that change, the community may be better able to accommodate

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things like high electrical demand, substation, transmission infrastructure. Large building

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footprints. A mechanical equipment. And redundancy requirements. For communities, that

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means citing decisions should look at more than just whether

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the zoning technically allows the use. We also need to

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think about setbacks, noise, building mass, mechanical equipment, backup generators,

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visual impacts, access to utility infrastructure and proximity to residential

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or other sensitive land uses. In many cases, good siding

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decisions can eliminate or greatly reduce problems before mitigation is

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ever needed. So location is not just a planning issue.

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It can be one of the most effective forms of

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risk reduction. Another important issue is how we define economic

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value. Data centers can represent extraordinary capital investment. The buildings,

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electrical systems, computing equipment, cooling equipment, and supporting infrastructure can

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involve very large expenditures. But those facilities are also highly

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automated. So they typically do not generate the same level

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of permanent employment that some other uses might generate on

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a comparable amount of land. That does not mean the

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project lacks economic value. It means the value looks different.

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So each community has to decide what matters most. Is

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economic value primarily jobs. Is it assessed valuation, property tax

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revenue, utility revenue, construction activity, infrastructure, investment. Technology investment, or

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some combination of those things. That is really a policy

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question in different communities may answer it differently. The key

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is to understand the economic model before making assumptions based

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on the size of the investment alone. This may be

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one of the most important issues for public agencies. Someone

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ultimately bears the risk of infrastructure built for a project

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that does not materialize. That risk can fall in several

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places. The developer may invest up front and lose those

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costs if the project is canceled. The utility may incur

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cost for system upgrades or capacity that is no longer

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needed. Existing rate payers may ultimately bear some of those

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stranded costs through the utility cost recovery. And the local

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government may face fiscal impacts, delayed economic benefits, or public

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expectations that were based on project that never gets completed.

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So the question is not where the risk exists. The

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question is where that risk is allocated. Communities and utilities

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have a number of tools available to address that. Those

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can include deposits, reservation fees, financial security, letters of credit,

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infrastructure agreements, and milestone - based construction. The purpose of

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those tools is not to discourage development. The purpose is

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to align infrastructure investment with actual project readiness. If a

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developer is asking a utility or public agency to make

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a major commitment based on a future project, there should

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be a reasonable evidence that the project is ready to

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advance. Good agreements can protect the utility. Protecting existing customers

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and also provide the developer with clarity about what is

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required. Other.

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So what can communities do? The biggest recommendation is very

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simple. Don't wait for an application. The time to decide

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how you're going to evaluate a 500 megawatt project is

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probably not the day somebody submits one. Communities can begin

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by establishing expectations in several areas. Where should these projects

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be located? What information should reutilities require before they begin

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major planning work. How should water demand be evaluated? What

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noise standards should apply. How should backup power systems be

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reviewed? And how will infrastructure planning be coordinated among utilities,

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planning departments, public works, water agencies, fire departments, and other

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affected organizations. Even if a community ultimately decides to rely

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heavily on its existing rules. Thinking these issues through in

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advance has value. It improves consistency. It improves transparency. And

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it gives both the community and the development industry a

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clearer understanding of the process. And that leads to the

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question of policy. There's not one universally correct way to

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regulate data centers. Communities really operate along a continuum. On

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one end, a flexible approach may rely primarily on existing

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roles and project - specific review. In the middle, an

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enhanced approach may add additional studies, review requirements, financial projections.

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Or project conditions. And on the other end, a more

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comprehensive approach might include specialized standards dedicated agreements or more

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detailed requirements tailored specifically to very large data center developments.

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The important point is that a community does not need

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to pick the same position as another city. The appropriate

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level of review depends on local circumstances. What infrastructure is

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available? How much industrial land does the community have? And

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what are its economic development goals. What are the communities

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quality of life priorities? And what authority already exists within

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the local and state regulatory framework. The goal should be

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to find the right level of review and protection for

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local circumstances. More regulation is not automatically better. Less regulation

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is not automatically better. The important thing is that we

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approach the, and reflect the risks, opportunities, and priorities of

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that particular community. Okay, bringing it all together. I think

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there are seven fairly simple questions that any community can

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ask before approving a major data center project. First where,

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is this actually the right location? Second, how big? What

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is the real phase development plan and what is the

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actual load being requested? Third, can we serve it? Not

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just electricity, but water, roads, telecommunications, emergency services, and other

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public infrastructure. Fourth, who pays. Are the infrastructure costs and

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financial risk clearly understood inappropriately allocated? Fifth, what are the

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community impacts? Noise, water, air quality, visual impacts, and surrounding

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land uses. Sixth, what does the community receive? Jobs, investment,

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tax revenues, utility revenues, or some other benefits. And finally,

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what happens over the next 20 to 30 years? Does

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the project align with the long - term infrastructure and

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land use vision for the community? If those seven questions

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can be answered clearly, decision makers are in a much

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better position to evaluate the project as a whole rather

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than looking at each issue in isolation. So I want

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to leave you with these three takeaways. First, scale matters.

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Hyperscale data center can influence infrastructure far beyond its property

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line. The electric grid, water resources, transportation systems, emergency services,

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and surrounding community can all be affected. Second, preparation matters.

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Clear expectations create better partnerships. They reduce uncertainty. They reduce

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risk, and ultimately they can lead to better outcomes for

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both the community and the developer. And third, local priorities

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matter. Every community will balance investment, resources, infrastructure, employment, and

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quality of life differently. There's no single model that every

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community should adopt. For us in renal valley, this issue

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is particularly interesting because the city is both the land

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use authority and the owner of the electrocutility. That gives

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us an opportunity to think about these issues from both

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perspectives. But the larger lesson applies everywhere. Hyperscale data centers

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are more than buildings full of servers. At the scale,

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we're seeing now, they are long - term decisions about

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energy, infrastructure, land, financial risk, and community resources. And the

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communities that are best positioned to evaluate them will be

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the communities that have answered the questions before the megawatts

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arrive. Thank you. Hope you, I hope this gives you

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a framework for thinking about some of these issues that

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may arise and these projects as they continue to grow

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in scale. I'd be very interested in hearing what other

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communities and agencies in the room are seeing as well,

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or people in the room are seeing as well. Thank

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you very much for the presentation there. A lot of

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information. And at this time, we will go ahead and

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bring it back up to the Deus for council questions

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of staff. Uh, either for Jason or the rest of

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our staff. Are there any requests, any questions? Council Member

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Delgado. Thank you for that. That was an excellent presentation

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and kind of broke it down. Um, I did have

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a lot of questions and you were answering them as

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your presentation went along. So thank you for that. Um,

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one thing I just want to clarify with you is

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we're not voting on a data center tonight, right? I

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just want to make it absolutely clear. This is not

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a project that we're even talking about. That's correct. There's

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no current projects proposed to the city. And this is

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really a discussion so that we can be prepared in

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case one is proposed. Thank you. And does anybody in

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here know where the closest data center is to us

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if we wanted to get eyes on it. I believe

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the one in Riverside. Riverside. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Any other questions from the council. I don't see any

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other questions at this time. Uh, I do have a

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couple. When we talk about land use and development and

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approvals. One of the things that comes up is the

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topic of permitted uses in our permitted use table. Can

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you, uh, elaborate on data centers. And if that is

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a permitted use according to our code, um, and any

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other information on that. I think I can refer to,

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uh, city manager. Yeah. As permitted uses, um, go, uh,

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Title IX of our municipal code, uh, discusses permitted use

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tables, uh, currently, uh, there is no data center on

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our permitted use table. Um, outside of obviously the MVU

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operations. And that's why Jason is deferring to me. But

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Title IX specifies what uses are allowed in the city.

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And then that table, uh, links it to various zones

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from a zoning map. Okay. So yes. So section 9.

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01. 030 of our municipal code provides that no use

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of land and no use construction, maintenance operation, reconstruction or

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enlargement of any building or structure shall be allowed unless

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permitted under the express provisions of Title IX. And I

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don't, I don't recognize the definition of data centers here.

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I can't cross reference it to any permitted use that

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we currently have in Title IX. Gotta thank you. And

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then in terms of you went over infrastructure, for example,

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things like water electricity and we know the conversation's happening

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nationwide and how those various factors are affecting other communities

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that have some data centers come into their, their communities.

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If you mentioned there's no data center currently, you know,

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proposed the application that the city has received, uh, but

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in a hypothetical world where a developer did want to

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build something here. Does the city even have the capacity

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when we talk about electricity, the grid or water? You

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mentioned megawatts and things of that nature. That's what could

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you speak to that. So I can't really speak to

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the water capacity issue. Um, but I can speak to

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the electricity, uh, in terms of electricity, it really depends

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on the size and how quickly that project is trying

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to move into the city. Give it enough time, I

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can bring in the capacity for any size data center

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or any size project. Um, you know, these, these, uh,

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these projects typically are proposed very short scale. And in

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that short scale, it really depends on how big the

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data center is planning to be. So hard to say

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without getting a project mayor on the on the water,

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just so you know, we did have a discussion with

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EMWD about it to see if they had, uh, experience

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with any data centers. And if they had any information

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on the amount of water that was used and they

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had not, uh, been approached by anyone yet, uh, their

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concept was that it was probably going to be along

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the lines of what a bottling center would be, uh,

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which tends to have a much higher rate, but they

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had not experienced it. So there was very little information

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they could give us. Understood. Thank you. And then second

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to last question about location. So another one that just

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hoping we can clarify here. Um, and this is not

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just data centers. This is really any application that comes

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to the city, a developer that wants to build something

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in our city. It could be a data center or

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shopping center or a restaurant, uh, you name it. Uh,

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can staff just speak to. Who ultimately decides where these

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projects get built. Because, um, sometimes we hear that the

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city decides where to build it. Um, other times the

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developer is the one building it. So could staff just

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clarify who ultimately makes a decision on where a project

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is going to be built. I refer back to the

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city manager for that. Yeah. Thank you, Jason. Um, mayor

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pro Tim, council members. So the council approves the general

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plan in zoning for the city. Um, so from that

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perspective, um, council from a policy perspective goes through a

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process, uh, which we just recently did, um, the land

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owners ultimately then work with, um, either themselves as developers

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or developers to develop, um, on their land. The city

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owns very little land actually, um, the land that we

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own, uh, currently is from the redevelopment years, which with

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a dissolution of redevelopment in 2012, uh, those particular parcels

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had to be earmarked for, uh, future affordable housing, uh,

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development. And so that's what we're doing now with those.

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Um, there is no very large, uh, scale development that,

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uh, or land that we own where we get to

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say, this is what we want to build, um, and

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so from that perspective, it's the landowners that are working

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with the developers that are referencing the general plan and

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the zoning map to ensure that their development is within

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those criterion, or they then will be seeking a general

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plan amendment, uh, and a zoning amendment. Did that answer

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your question? Yes. And let me maybe just summarize in

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a little bit a simpler terms there. Um, just, if

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I'm understanding what you're saying correctly, um, anytime a developer

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comes into the city and wants to build say fast

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food restaurant or housing tract or a data center, whatever

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it may be, they have to go through the process,

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some made applications, meet with staff, everything. Um, and ultimately

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in terms of approving or denying city does have that

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authority, of course planning commission, city council, but as far

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as where a developer wants to open their new restaurant

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or build a new housing track, they're the ones that

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decide this is the property. This is the lot. This

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is the intersection where I want to build my project,

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city of Marino Valley. Will you approve it or deny

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it? Yes. Sorry. Yes. Um, that is that depiction is

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accurate. The only thing I would also, um, add is

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that the city looks at each development, each project based

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on the merits of the project. Thank you. That'll conclude

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my questions. Are there any further questions? Mayor pro tip.

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And Brian just to clarify. So if today a data

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center developer wanted it to submit an application, the entitlement,

476
00:43:17,622 --> 00:43:20,102
they would have to obtain is a change of zone.

477
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,468
Today. Or would be a gentle plant amendment and CUP

478
00:43:24,649 --> 00:43:27,686
or just to change zone. Well, yeah, it's not even

479
00:43:27,707 --> 00:43:31,126
a permitted use on the permitted use table per Title

480
00:43:31,307 --> 00:43:37,686
IX chapter 9. 02. So, um, that's why, um, it's

481
00:43:37,686 --> 00:43:41,766
here before you, like Jason said, um, from a policy

482
00:43:41,867 --> 00:43:49,046
perspective, have some discussion around scalability, um, mainstream media typically

483
00:43:49,086 --> 00:43:53,206
talks about hyper, uh, data centers, which is anywhere between

484
00:43:54,267 --> 00:43:58,486
100 megawatts more or 250 megawatts more depending on what

485
00:43:59,147 --> 00:44:05,046
criterion and what, uh, study your reading and mainstream media.

486
00:44:05,046 --> 00:44:08,806
And for any of those, uh, megawatt, for those of

487
00:44:08,806 --> 00:44:12,966
you in the room and at home, and we're talking

488
00:44:13,006 --> 00:44:15,926
a lot of megawatts and I think even a gigawatt

489
00:44:16,267 --> 00:44:20,886
was discussed. Uh, Jason from a megawatt perspective for reference.

490
00:44:20,886 --> 00:44:24,396
How many homes does that power. For say a hundred

491
00:44:24,417 --> 00:44:29,638
megawatts. 100 megawatts. 100 megawatts. So that's half the community.

492
00:44:29,638 --> 00:44:32,758
So you're looking at 50 to 100, 000 residents. Yeah.

493
00:44:32,779 --> 00:44:37,038
Okay. So that gives you some reference. Quite frankly, if

494
00:44:37,038 --> 00:44:41,798
we had, um, an application dropped, uh, on someone's desk,

495
00:44:41,798 --> 00:44:44,998
we would be stating at this point, how would envy

496
00:44:45,038 --> 00:44:48,998
you be able to even service? Because we don't have

497
00:44:49,038 --> 00:44:54,318
the infrastructure nor, um, because we're, an infant utility. We

498
00:44:54,318 --> 00:45:00,118
don't have the contractual arrangement for, um, power service agreements.

499
00:45:00,577 --> 00:45:06,476
So, um, yeah, that's why, uh, when it was suggested,

500
00:45:06,476 --> 00:45:09,356
uh, to have a conversation about data centers, it was

501
00:45:09,377 --> 00:45:13,676
a timely, um, as, you know, others are talking about

502
00:45:13,697 --> 00:45:16,636
it. County's talking about LA counties done a few things

503
00:45:16,817 --> 00:45:21,356
as well. Seems more and more, um, frequently you're hearing

504
00:45:21,356 --> 00:45:24,316
about data centers. And, you know, when we talk about

505
00:45:24,657 --> 00:45:30,156
scalability and so forth, I think it's really what we've

506
00:45:30,156 --> 00:45:34,956
heard in mainstream meter media is the hyper, um, data

507
00:45:34,996 --> 00:45:39,036
centers. And trying to identify if we were to receive,

508
00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:40,876
you know, an application on that, we wouldn't even be

509
00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:46,556
able to service it. But there are other, um, scales

510
00:45:47,057 --> 00:45:50,876
of a data center that Jason went over. But again,

511
00:45:51,857 --> 00:45:54,796
it's not on our permitted use table. So what do

512
00:45:54,796 --> 00:46:01,386
we potentially do here. Mr. Mayor. So if someone were

513
00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:04,586
to inquire about how you would go about getting a

514
00:46:04,687 --> 00:46:08,266
data center approved in merino valley, they would have to

515
00:46:08,447 --> 00:46:12,399
submit an application for a general plan amendment. Because we

516
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:16,159
don't address data centers in our general plan. They would

517
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,999
have to submit an application for zone change. So you

518
00:46:19,999 --> 00:46:24,319
can determine where a data center would be located. They

519
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:28,719
would have to submit an application for, uh, change in

520
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:34,506
our text to zoning text amendment. To identify, to describe,

521
00:46:34,506 --> 00:46:37,706
include a definition of a data center and to determine

522
00:46:37,887 --> 00:46:41,921
what sort of permit would be required. That's what they

523
00:46:41,921 --> 00:46:44,401
would have to do. They would have to get through

524
00:46:44,401 --> 00:46:46,321
all those jumps through all those hoops and get all

525
00:46:46,342 --> 00:46:50,497
those approved by your planning commission and city council. But

526
00:46:50,518 --> 00:46:54,732
right now data centers are not permitted. So if somebody

527
00:46:54,833 --> 00:46:57,772
submitted an application or data center, we would just reject

528
00:46:57,873 --> 00:47:00,812
it because it's not permitted. But if we wait until

529
00:47:00,913 --> 00:47:03,932
somebody submits an application, it'll be too late. Just like

530
00:47:03,932 --> 00:47:06,092
right now we have a lot of discussion about banning

531
00:47:06,132 --> 00:47:07,772
certain businesses and we can't do that. Well, we have

532
00:47:07,793 --> 00:47:10,092
active applications. So right now is the good time to

533
00:47:10,132 --> 00:47:13,292
be talking about this. Because if we wait until somebody

534
00:47:13,473 --> 00:47:18,396
applies, it will be too late. Is that correct? Yes.

535
00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:21,596
If somebody applies and they submit an application for a

536
00:47:21,596 --> 00:47:23,916
general plan amendment, we have to process it to the

537
00:47:23,956 --> 00:47:26,556
point of getting to the point. We could talk about

538
00:47:27,617 --> 00:47:30,236
moratorium or abandonny on that particular because it would be

539
00:47:30,276 --> 00:47:32,156
too late at that point. So now is the time

540
00:47:32,196 --> 00:47:35,996
when we need to speak with initiate the requirement to

541
00:47:35,996 --> 00:47:43,149
provide due process. Thank you. Thank you, answers my questions.

542
00:47:44,585 --> 00:47:49,827
Are there any further questions from the council. Seeing no

543
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,227
further questions at this time? Thank you again, Jason. Appreciate

544
00:47:52,248 --> 00:47:55,427
the presentation there. And we will go ahead and move

545
00:47:55,688 --> 00:47:58,707
into public comment for this item. Again, just a friendly

546
00:47:58,747 --> 00:48:02,227
reminder that, uh, since it's a study session, the public

547
00:48:02,328 --> 00:48:05,347
comments are limited to the topic of discussion. In this

548
00:48:05,347 --> 00:48:08,067
case, we have F1. It's about data centers. Um, and

549
00:48:08,107 --> 00:48:11,107
then everyone does have three minutes to speak. And we

550
00:48:11,107 --> 00:48:12,627
won't have a list of your names up on the

551
00:48:12,667 --> 00:48:15,427
screen city clerk will call up your name one by

552
00:48:15,427 --> 00:48:19,907
one, uh, in the order that we receive those requests.

553
00:48:19,907 --> 00:48:22,387
And, um, and then also, just again, if it's your

554
00:48:22,387 --> 00:48:24,387
first time, uh, I know some folks may have been

555
00:48:24,427 --> 00:48:27,827
here before, but if it's your first time, um, sometimes

556
00:48:27,867 --> 00:48:31,747
we do get questions from public comment, um, it's our

557
00:48:31,768 --> 00:48:34,067
practice here that we do not go back and forth

558
00:48:34,408 --> 00:48:37,107
during public comment just so we can make sure everybody

559
00:48:37,208 --> 00:48:39,107
has their chance to speak. And then we follow up

560
00:48:39,128 --> 00:48:41,987
after the meeting, uh, if there's any questions like that

561
00:48:42,408 --> 00:48:44,947
come up. So, um, just in case if you ask

562
00:48:44,987 --> 00:48:47,747
a question and we don't respond on the spot, it's

563
00:48:47,747 --> 00:48:49,267
not because we don't want to. It's just, that's our

564
00:48:49,307 --> 00:48:52,707
standard practice here. Um, so with that, Madam Cleric, I'll

565
00:48:52,707 --> 00:48:55,221
turn it over to you. Thank you, Mayor. The first

566
00:48:55,221 --> 00:48:58,901
three speakers are Bob Palomara's followed by Ismael Gonzalez, followed

567
00:48:58,901 --> 00:49:05,471
by Catherine. Good evening, council. Uh, I'm glad they said

568
00:49:05,511 --> 00:49:07,951
you can't build one here. If you could, where would

569
00:49:07,991 --> 00:49:11,871
you put it? Either put it on the northeast or

570
00:49:12,052 --> 00:49:16,389
where the WLC is. That's about it. The thing is

571
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:19,269
that on the presentation was great, but I didn't hear

572
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:24,309
anything about how they, uh, dispose of the pollution that

573
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:27,189
comes out of that center, whether it may be water.

574
00:49:29,218 --> 00:49:33,757
And then we all know that right now Lake Paul

575
00:49:34,018 --> 00:49:38,749
is at record low levels for water. They've been the

576
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:44,977
low end since 1957. And, uh, they're cutting California's allotment

577
00:49:45,017 --> 00:49:52,337
by interior. Last month in August. That's what they came

578
00:49:52,358 --> 00:49:56,017
up with. I don't know about Arizona, Nevada. That doesn't

579
00:49:56,057 --> 00:50:03,833
concern us. But California is 15 percent. Every city's going

580
00:50:03,833 --> 00:50:05,193
to be saying, you know what, we have to cut

581
00:50:05,233 --> 00:50:13,499
back. Happened before. It'll happen again. And, uh. Let's see

582
00:50:13,539 --> 00:50:17,979
here. You know, they say that it takes extreme 24

583
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,659
seven cooling. What does that mean? That means that the

584
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:29,266
water is constantly rotating in and out. Massive power demand.

585
00:50:29,266 --> 00:50:31,026
So what are they going to get all the juice

586
00:50:31,287 --> 00:50:35,983
if they could build one here. The utility company we

587
00:50:36,023 --> 00:50:41,503
have could never do it. So Edison, I've heard where

588
00:50:41,503 --> 00:50:48,712
some data centers. They've, uh, sold. Some cities have sold

589
00:50:48,733 --> 00:50:51,672
it to the data center leaving the people that buy

590
00:50:51,693 --> 00:50:54,552
it from the utility hanging. Or they have to even

591
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:58,952
pay more to get theirs because the highest bitter one.

592
00:51:00,964 --> 00:51:05,343
And then the water infrastructure, you know, what are the

593
00:51:05,343 --> 00:51:11,868
benefits. There aren't any. The environment is what's going to

594
00:51:12,009 --> 00:51:15,738
pay for it. So, you know, there's just too many

595
00:51:15,919 --> 00:51:19,178
red flags. I'm glad, you know, we're having this session

596
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:25,538
here and just discussing it, but just batting it. Like,

597
00:51:25,538 --> 00:51:28,418
is Baco was saying, you know, stop it right now

598
00:51:29,319 --> 00:51:32,578
before, you know, somebody puts in an application because it's

599
00:51:32,759 --> 00:51:35,138
never going to work for the people of Moreno Valley.

600
00:51:36,205 --> 00:51:41,388
Thank you. The next three speakers are Ismael Gonzalez followed

601
00:51:41,428 --> 00:51:51,251
by Catherine, followed by Scott Habaran. Good evening city council,

602
00:51:51,251 --> 00:51:55,011
city staff. Uh, audience of Marina Valley. My name is

603
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:58,291
Lismo Gonzalez. I'm a resident of district two. I want

604
00:51:58,291 --> 00:52:01,971
to say that, uh, it is regrettable that this conversation

605
00:52:02,072 --> 00:52:07,571
is today, um, considering that I've been warning this council

606
00:52:07,752 --> 00:52:11,091
for months, uh, since the beginning of the year, even

607
00:52:11,091 --> 00:52:14,851
the, uh, environmental and historical preservation board. I've been telling

608
00:52:14,891 --> 00:52:18,211
them data centers will come up. It's going to happen.

609
00:52:18,211 --> 00:52:20,291
It's a breaking point for our society. And here we

610
00:52:20,331 --> 00:52:22,691
are, but it's been, you know, I'm glad that we're

611
00:52:22,872 --> 00:52:26,131
still having this discussion. I hope that this recording will

612
00:52:26,171 --> 00:52:30,771
be published online for anyone to, uh, rewatch later as

613
00:52:30,771 --> 00:52:35,011
well as the presentation that the city developed. Um, on

614
00:52:35,011 --> 00:52:39,011
that note, I do feel like I have to maybe

615
00:52:39,051 --> 00:52:41,876
point out the elephant in the room. With all due

616
00:52:41,916 --> 00:52:46,036
respect to city staff. That presentation, it's images were generated

617
00:52:46,076 --> 00:52:50,596
by AI. Uh, it's really sad that the city staff

618
00:52:50,617 --> 00:52:54,356
gets paid considerably. They go to school for these jobs

619
00:52:55,177 --> 00:52:58,676
and then rely on computer generated content to present a

620
00:52:58,716 --> 00:53:04,036
discussion about data centers. You guys, I've repeatedly warned you

621
00:53:04,377 --> 00:53:09,796
do not use computers to generate your reports, your presentations,

622
00:53:09,796 --> 00:53:12,916
because they are noticeable. I am of the generation that

623
00:53:12,956 --> 00:53:16,516
grew up with technology. I grew up with the emergence

624
00:53:16,516 --> 00:53:20,356
of Instagram, Facebook, all these data technology companies that are

625
00:53:20,377 --> 00:53:25,236
now pushing data centers upon the society. To the people

626
00:53:25,977 --> 00:53:29,236
like me, my AIDS, we can see that. We can

627
00:53:29,497 --> 00:53:33,636
understand what is generated by computers and what is not.

628
00:53:33,636 --> 00:53:36,276
It is real, it's a real shame that you guys

629
00:53:36,297 --> 00:53:41,396
are college educated people paid considerably relying on computers to

630
00:53:41,977 --> 00:53:45,596
produce the content that the city needs. Let me remind

631
00:53:45,596 --> 00:53:49,676
you that, uh, the data centers across the country right

632
00:53:49,676 --> 00:53:54,396
now are known to gazel five million gallons of water

633
00:53:54,577 --> 00:54:01,568
per day. They are also known to increase energy costs

634
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:07,088
for the local grid and nearby residents by 267 percent.

635
00:54:07,909 --> 00:54:10,928
You've heard your city attorney, your city manager say that

636
00:54:11,269 --> 00:54:15,088
the process for an applicant to come through and, and

637
00:54:15,269 --> 00:54:18,608
request a data center here in the city is pretty,

638
00:54:18,608 --> 00:54:22,608
uh, hard to get through. Why not just ban it

639
00:54:22,648 --> 00:54:25,648
right now? Why not just prohibit it right now like

640
00:54:25,648 --> 00:54:29,568
other cities are doing, uh, the city of Coachella just

641
00:54:29,989 --> 00:54:33,648
a few weeks ago prohibited data centers completely. The first

642
00:54:33,648 --> 00:54:37,168
city in Riverside County to do so, uh, Palm Springs

643
00:54:37,208 --> 00:54:40,208
has put a moratorium. Monterey Park was the first city

644
00:54:40,229 --> 00:54:43,808
to ever prohibit data centers completely with the voter record

645
00:54:43,848 --> 00:54:48,208
of 88 percent. This is bipartisan. This is very popular.

646
00:54:48,208 --> 00:54:50,928
The only people that want this are the billionaires. Thank

647
00:54:50,928 --> 00:54:54,742
you so much. Next three speakers are Catherine followed by

648
00:54:55,083 --> 00:55:04,350
Scott Havran followed by Deanna Lakava. Hi, my name is

649
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:06,910
Catherine. I'm a nine year resident, Umrino Valley living in

650
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:10,350
the rancho blogo area. I believe Erlen, you're my represent,

651
00:55:10,371 --> 00:55:13,230
representative over there. Um, so a little bit about my

652
00:55:13,251 --> 00:55:16,110
family and I, um, my husband and I chose Movel

653
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:18,170
as a city to start and raise our family, uh,

654
00:55:18,291 --> 00:55:20,590
when we began looking at homes here, we quickly took

655
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:24,030
notice of the multiple parks, schools, trails, and the open

656
00:55:24,051 --> 00:55:27,710
fields utilized by motorspars enthusiasts around the city. And of

657
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:30,590
course we love to see that donkey's room free almost

658
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:32,350
as if they were the first ones to really welcome

659
00:55:32,350 --> 00:55:35,164
us here to the city. Over the years, we've been

660
00:55:35,204 --> 00:55:37,644
lucky to see the various wildlife that Sherland in the

661
00:55:37,684 --> 00:55:41,644
city, uh, from the hawk that stocked our doxon in

662
00:55:41,644 --> 00:55:43,004
the backyard when we would let her out as a

663
00:55:43,004 --> 00:55:47,324
puppy to the falcon's owls, bats, turkey vultures, raccoons, snakes

664
00:55:47,364 --> 00:55:50,684
and coyotes, uh, we've encountered on our many walks over

665
00:55:50,684 --> 00:55:54,303
the past that I knew years. A data center, excuse

666
00:55:54,303 --> 00:55:57,663
me, anywhere in Moreno Valley will be detrimental to the

667
00:55:57,684 --> 00:56:01,743
quality of life for all residents, human and animal alike.

668
00:56:02,731 --> 00:56:06,710
I implore you all as our elective representatives to move

669
00:56:06,811 --> 00:56:10,230
forward with a ban on data centers in Moreno Valley.

670
00:56:10,571 --> 00:56:12,950
There are currently 88 data centers in the state of

671
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:17,293
California. 53 in operation and 35 in development. Those are

672
00:56:17,554 --> 00:56:22,093
88 examples of failed leadership to the constituents in those

673
00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:26,260
cities. Again, as a resident and voter of the city,

674
00:56:26,281 --> 00:56:28,660
do not fill your constituents like we were failed with

675
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,380
flock cameras. I moved forward with a ban on data

676
00:56:31,401 --> 00:56:41,249
centersuinovelley. Thank you. The next three speakers are Scott Havran

677
00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:49,145
followed by Deanna Lakava, followed by Carolyn Brodoer. Uh, good

678
00:56:49,185 --> 00:56:53,352
evening, council mayor. Uh, it's been a minute. I love

679
00:56:53,352 --> 00:56:59,196
what you've done with the place. It's real nice. AI

680
00:56:59,537 --> 00:57:03,436
data centers do not appear to be compatible with Reno

681
00:57:03,476 --> 00:57:07,036
Valley's climate. It's a hot, dry area. You'd think that

682
00:57:07,457 --> 00:57:09,916
a data center would be someplace in Minnesota where they

683
00:57:09,916 --> 00:57:13,356
have lots of water, cool air, just not hearing Rino

684
00:57:13,377 --> 00:57:16,677
Valley. Um, the thing that I wanted to know is

685
00:57:17,338 --> 00:57:21,674
where would these data centers go. Talking to million square

686
00:57:21,674 --> 00:57:23,514
feet, I think the only place it can go is

687
00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:29,194
Highland Fairview's area. They're the only people that have the.

688
00:57:29,194 --> 00:57:32,634
And we were told when we approved the world logistics

689
00:57:32,674 --> 00:57:35,834
center that it was bringing these jobs. And now if

690
00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:38,474
we're going to put these data centers on there, those

691
00:57:38,495 --> 00:57:43,367
jobs aren't there. It feels like we've been one hand

692
00:57:43,388 --> 00:57:47,047
gives and one hand takes. Now a positive thing about

693
00:57:47,308 --> 00:57:50,487
the data centers is we wouldn't have these huge mega

694
00:57:50,487 --> 00:57:53,527
warehouses with all this truck traffic. That's the only bright

695
00:57:53,548 --> 00:57:59,069
side I can see. I'm more concerned about these warehouses

696
00:57:59,109 --> 00:58:03,983
going up. You look at boil heights. I'm sure that

697
00:58:04,004 --> 00:58:07,343
they love that warehouse until it burned to the ground.

698
00:58:09,356 --> 00:58:11,815
And are we ready for, do we have the infrastructure

699
00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:16,535
for data centers? We have, uh, I realized when we

700
00:58:16,716 --> 00:58:20,615
were changing to, when we proved to world logistics center,

701
00:58:20,956 --> 00:58:24,375
they always talk about, uh, different types of fire stations.

702
00:58:24,375 --> 00:58:27,255
What kind of fire station would a status center require?

703
00:58:27,255 --> 00:58:29,975
What kind of emergency services above and beyond what we

704
00:58:29,996 --> 00:58:33,995
have right now. And then the noise, that's the first

705
00:58:33,995 --> 00:58:36,795
time I heard about noise coming from these things. What's

706
00:58:36,835 --> 00:58:39,195
that about? Uh, there's a lot more questions, but I

707
00:58:39,376 --> 00:58:41,835
really appreciate having the study session because that's what we

708
00:58:41,875 --> 00:58:49,550
need. We need more community outreach. We need more transparency.

709
00:58:52,075 --> 00:58:56,274
And again, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. The

710
00:58:56,274 --> 00:58:59,794
next three speakers are Deanna Lakavo followed by Carolyn Brodor,

711
00:58:59,794 --> 00:59:09,777
followed by David Roberson. Alright, my

712
00:59:09,817 --> 00:59:13,057
name is Deanna LaCava. I've born here and lived here

713
00:59:13,057 --> 00:59:17,605
my whole life. We here in Marino Valley. Don't mean

714
00:59:17,645 --> 00:59:19,125
to catch on. Do you mind speaking just into the

715
00:59:19,165 --> 00:59:20,645
month so we can hear you? And let's go ahead

716
00:59:20,645 --> 00:59:23,925
and give her three minutes, please. Thank you. I've been

717
00:59:23,925 --> 00:59:27,205
here a long time. I was born here. Um, in

718
00:59:27,245 --> 00:59:28,965
merino valley, we have the advantage of being a little

719
00:59:29,146 --> 00:59:32,085
late coming to the table on data centers. We do

720
00:59:32,085 --> 00:59:35,755
see what other communities neres have decided to do. Coachella

721
00:59:35,795 --> 00:59:41,515
voted unanimously to permanently prohibit the hyperscale data centers following

722
00:59:41,776 --> 00:59:48,479
intense public pushback. Parasite council voted unanimously to direct planning

723
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:51,999
staff to draft a citywide ban. Um, facing local pressure

724
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:56,479
city leaders and council members in Riversider establishing perimeters for

725
00:59:56,500 --> 01:00:02,559
the potential citywide bandied has imposed a temporary moratorium. Desert

726
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,519
Hot Springs has a temporary pause where they evaluate future

727
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:09,519
restrictions. These cities are taking these actions because they're citizens

728
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:12,319
feel so strongly. We and Marino Valley, we feel strongly

729
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:17,507
too. Um. Because we don't currently have data centers. We

730
01:00:17,507 --> 01:00:21,187
can learn from places like New Jersey, Mississippian, Florida. In

731
01:00:21,187 --> 01:00:23,627
these places, people are reporting that data centers are affecting

732
01:00:23,648 --> 01:00:27,390
all their natural resources. The waters and creeks and rivers

733
01:00:27,411 --> 01:00:30,270
is being polluted. The sinners are using thousands of gallons

734
01:00:30,310 --> 01:00:33,390
of water per day. And merino valley doesn't have abundant

735
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:38,890
water available for data centers. The August 22nd desert sun

736
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:43,530
reported that California is facing reduced Colorado River allocation, which

737
01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:45,770
was mentioned by a previous speaker. So I don't need

738
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:49,690
to repeat that, um, but with river water unavailable, that

739
01:00:49,711 --> 01:00:51,770
means that any data center here is likely to start

740
01:00:51,791 --> 01:00:57,324
pulling water from our aquifers. Um, people in other states

741
01:00:57,345 --> 01:01:00,284
with data centers pulling water from the aquifers are reporting

742
01:01:00,385 --> 01:01:03,404
water disruptions, low water pressure and no water at all.

743
01:01:03,585 --> 01:01:07,964
Their oils are pulling up nasty brown, undrinkable sludge. Instead

744
01:01:07,964 --> 01:01:10,684
of the water, they had before the data centers. We

745
01:01:10,705 --> 01:01:14,124
have families living on whales in eastern Marino Valley and

746
01:01:14,124 --> 01:01:16,204
we need to protect the water in our aquifers for

747
01:01:16,225 --> 01:01:19,995
use for people who are here, who live here. And

748
01:01:19,995 --> 01:01:23,195
the noise, um, so many places with data centers are

749
01:01:23,235 --> 01:01:26,795
reporting that constant 24 seven humming and buzzing has been

750
01:01:26,835 --> 01:01:29,595
described as feeling like you're being hit in the stomach

751
01:01:29,616 --> 01:01:33,435
when you go outside. A rancher near Abilene, Texas reported

752
01:01:33,475 --> 01:01:36,955
that cattle on his property have had consecutive stillbirths after

753
01:01:37,056 --> 01:01:41,275
a data center. And it's heavy power equipment began operating

754
01:01:41,376 --> 01:01:45,366
nearby. And property values. If you can't take the noise

755
01:01:45,627 --> 01:01:47,606
and decide to move, who's going to buy a house

756
01:01:47,606 --> 01:01:50,886
with a noisy data center nearby. These data centers will

757
01:01:50,907 --> 01:01:55,126
affect nearby property values. Um, air quality is being will

758
01:01:55,147 --> 01:01:58,246
be compromised and temperatures are being affected by data centers.

759
01:02:00,731 --> 01:02:03,910
Drones fitted with thermal cameras are finding data centers brazenly

760
01:02:04,171 --> 01:02:07,590
defying environmental laws. While some centers promise to operate using

761
01:02:07,771 --> 01:02:12,070
renewable sources, um, of energy, they are in fact burning

762
01:02:12,091 --> 01:02:15,990
fossil fuels to power their operations. Many are burning diesel

763
01:02:16,171 --> 01:02:19,110
and gas to power their data centers. Poisoning the air

764
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:22,710
and raising temperatures by up to 16 degrees. Thank you

765
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:26,811
very much. Next three speakers are Carolyn Brodor followed by

766
01:02:26,811 --> 01:02:28,971
David Roberson followed by Alan Calderon.

767
01:02:38,481 --> 01:02:41,500
Good evening. Um, I think the truth is that you

768
01:02:41,521 --> 01:02:45,180
are planning for these developers to build data centers. I

769
01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:47,660
can, I think that's the truth. And here's how we

770
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:54,512
know. Reno valleys utilities. Renoval utilities 2025 integrated resource plan

771
01:02:55,493 --> 01:02:59,472
tells us. It says that after 2025, unnamed so -

772
01:02:59,472 --> 01:03:03,152
called spot loads will account for more than half of

773
01:03:03,173 --> 01:03:07,552
the total system electricity's consumption. Okay. What is a spot

774
01:03:07,592 --> 01:03:11,632
load? A spot load is a massive, highly concentrated demand

775
01:03:11,632 --> 01:03:15,312
for electricity at a single specific location on the power

776
01:03:15,352 --> 01:03:20,432
grid. If the merino valley utility is showing that unnamed

777
01:03:20,453 --> 01:03:23,712
spot loads will account for over 50 percent of the

778
01:03:23,733 --> 01:03:27,232
entire city's power consumption after 2025, they did not make

779
01:03:27,272 --> 01:03:32,032
up those numbers in a vacuum. Okay. Grid planners only

780
01:03:32,053 --> 01:03:36,032
build those mouses of spikes into official city forecasts when

781
01:03:36,032 --> 01:03:41,232
large developers like who? Highland pair view. Highland Fairview or

782
01:03:41,272 --> 01:03:47,072
Majestic have submitted preliminary grid capacity inquiries to Marino Valley

783
01:03:47,112 --> 01:03:50,352
utility to see if the local grid can support data

784
01:03:50,373 --> 01:03:54,792
centers. You're already planning it. Okay. We already know. That's

785
01:03:54,792 --> 01:03:56,592
why we're having this meeting because you just want to

786
01:03:56,592 --> 01:04:01,032
run it through. That's what's going on. You're sneaky. Okay.

787
01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:04,489
Sneaky. It's terrible. Say it again. You can get a

788
01:04:04,489 --> 01:04:09,303
time. To stay up. Next three speakers are David Roberson

789
01:04:09,564 --> 01:04:12,743
followed by Alan Calderon followed by Manuel Topetti.

790
01:04:22,131 --> 01:04:29,446
Council members. And staff. I'm here tonight. To urge the

791
01:04:29,707 --> 01:04:34,726
council to, uh, immediately pause. Consider what the community is

792
01:04:34,747 --> 01:04:38,043
saying to you today. And follow the reasonable sense of

793
01:04:38,083 --> 01:04:42,283
leads from cities like the city of commerce like Coachella

794
01:04:42,464 --> 01:04:47,643
who have taken their communities, concerns into account and acted

795
01:04:47,984 --> 01:04:53,297
on their behalf. Data centers are fundamentally different from any

796
01:04:53,478 --> 01:04:58,577
standard logistical, uh, warehouse. They operate 24 hours a day,

797
01:04:58,577 --> 01:05:03,857
draining the resources while offering virtually no permanent, meaningful local

798
01:05:03,958 --> 01:05:10,444
jobs. Relying on traditional, outdated zoning safeguards as we've just

799
01:05:10,484 --> 01:05:14,604
discovered our zoning doesn't even accommodate what is being asked

800
01:05:14,625 --> 01:05:19,577
of us. Uh, we're talking about the standard zoning that

801
01:05:19,598 --> 01:05:22,937
we have, uh, can't, uh, account for, contain the low

802
01:05:22,958 --> 01:05:28,997
frequency acoustic homes that penetrate, uh, the residential walls. And

803
01:05:29,358 --> 01:05:33,167
will it impact the community. We have to look hard

804
01:05:33,428 --> 01:05:35,527
to data center. Uh, and for what it's going to

805
01:05:36,388 --> 01:05:43,118
provide a region. Our water, our local water, uh, the

806
01:05:43,158 --> 01:05:47,278
Eastern water municipal water district can sustain the millions of

807
01:05:47,299 --> 01:05:53,118
gallons of water for the daily evaporating and cooling systems,

808
01:05:53,118 --> 01:05:58,398
the chemical waste discharge, uh, having as a former director,

809
01:05:58,398 --> 01:06:01,358
uh, research and special programs with the Department of Transportation.

810
01:06:02,088 --> 01:06:05,747
Uh, that's all ways to regulatory aspect is always a

811
01:06:05,768 --> 01:06:08,547
deep concern. And we always have to go in and

812
01:06:08,587 --> 01:06:12,467
far it out the wrongdoing that inevitably happens every single

813
01:06:12,507 --> 01:06:15,507
time these type of things put themselves out there in

814
01:06:15,507 --> 01:06:18,227
the front of the public. And we're looking to have

815
01:06:18,248 --> 01:06:23,907
you all be our safety mechanism to protect us and

816
01:06:24,008 --> 01:06:26,947
understand that this is something that I know you guys

817
01:06:27,048 --> 01:06:30,307
are already like the young lady just said you're planning,

818
01:06:30,307 --> 01:06:33,201
you're looking to go forward with it. We're opposed. We

819
01:06:33,201 --> 01:06:37,561
didn't even know my community, my neighbors in Sonnymed Ranch

820
01:06:37,822 --> 01:06:41,561
knew nothing about this at all. This is something that

821
01:06:41,561 --> 01:06:43,961
should be put out there blasted for us to come

822
01:06:43,961 --> 01:06:46,761
in and let you know on mask how we feel

823
01:06:46,761 --> 01:06:49,001
about it. And I will say here today that I'm

824
01:06:49,182 --> 01:06:51,481
going to make it my job to make sure that

825
01:06:51,502 --> 01:06:53,801
I get the word out in my community. Thank you.

826
01:07:00,836 --> 01:07:04,015
Next three speakers are Alan Calderone followed by Manuel Tepeti

827
01:07:04,036 --> 01:07:12,380
followed by Terrence Joel Darby. Evening mayor state of council.

828
01:07:12,380 --> 01:07:16,700
My name is Alin Caledon. I am father and I

829
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:20,140
live right off of Reylands Boulevard across the street from

830
01:07:20,641 --> 01:07:29,733
Highlands Fairview. Um, I have young kids and I like

831
01:07:29,834 --> 01:07:33,493
Marne Valley, but there are a lot of issues that

832
01:07:33,754 --> 01:07:40,945
need to be addressed with, uh, warehouses. Yeah. Car washes

833
01:07:41,206 --> 01:07:44,785
story centers. It's insane. I think there's, the can be

834
01:07:44,785 --> 01:07:49,514
improved right away. Or at least do some more planning

835
01:07:49,855 --> 01:07:53,194
as far as entertainment instead of focusing on data centers.

836
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,379
I'm asking that you guys followed, uh, Coachella Valley Palm

837
01:08:02,379 --> 01:08:08,312
Springs. Uh, Fresno, then put moratorium. On data centers in

838
01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:13,866
Morne Valley. Um, like the other speakers before me, the

839
01:08:14,047 --> 01:08:17,776
strain on the grid. Is, it's going to be immense.

840
01:08:20,108 --> 01:08:23,870
Does water supply that's going to be necessary. To keep

841
01:08:24,451 --> 01:08:27,336
these facilities cooled down. It's going to be even worse.

842
01:08:28,668 --> 01:08:32,967
Um, I wasn't aware of the cut that Californians are

843
01:08:32,967 --> 01:08:35,447
going to be facing from the Colorado River. So that

844
01:08:35,447 --> 01:08:39,047
makes even more sense. Why not to have data centers

845
01:08:39,047 --> 01:08:46,146
here. It doesn't make any sense. Why, why.

846
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:52,549
I understand that we're having this meeting to kind of.

847
01:08:53,061 --> 01:08:56,800
Go through the procedures, but how the council woman mentioned,

848
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,600
I think we do this meeting and just put them

849
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,514
oratorium on it or ban it. Um, it doesn't, it

850
01:09:03,535 --> 01:09:08,846
doesn't help the community. The residents at all. There's. They

851
01:09:08,886 --> 01:09:13,326
may say my supply jobs, but the construction is going

852
01:09:13,326 --> 01:09:14,726
to be over with and then it's just going to

853
01:09:14,726 --> 01:09:18,206
be a handful of employees working at these data centers.

854
01:09:22,813 --> 01:09:26,644
It doesn't make sense. Why. We need data centers in

855
01:09:26,684 --> 01:09:31,684
Morne Valley. I like the gentleman before me that area,

856
01:09:31,684 --> 01:09:37,001
all of East, Murnevalley. That empty area. That's where it

857
01:09:37,001 --> 01:09:42,787
would go. And it's, it's unacceptable. Can we, we just

858
01:09:42,787 --> 01:09:45,747
need to put a moratorium. Have them go somewhere else.

859
01:09:47,386 --> 01:09:49,685
How old is it at Coachella? Now these other cities

860
01:09:50,826 --> 01:09:54,485
have the, maybe it was a pressure that they were

861
01:09:54,525 --> 01:09:57,525
forced into it. But we just need to put a

862
01:09:57,525 --> 01:10:04,761
more term and stop. Thank you. The next three speakers

863
01:10:05,342 --> 01:10:08,761
are Manuelto Petty followed by Terrence Starby followed by Seth

864
01:10:08,761 --> 01:10:13,457
Cox. Good evening, everybody. First of all, there's three elephants

865
01:10:13,497 --> 01:10:15,137
in this room. And I'm going to address the first

866
01:10:15,177 --> 01:10:17,617
one. And Jason did a real good job, but I

867
01:10:17,657 --> 01:10:21,777
watch where he stuttered. And I watched where he hesitated

868
01:10:21,798 --> 01:10:25,338
on his answers. Why are we asking the hard questions?

869
01:10:25,338 --> 01:10:28,138
A city manager should not give easy questions to Jason.

870
01:10:28,178 --> 01:10:31,112
This is where you put it to Jason. Ask him

871
01:10:31,112 --> 01:10:33,272
why he didn't iron his suit before he got here.

872
01:10:33,272 --> 01:10:35,352
Ask him why he came here and is not prepared.

873
01:10:36,196 --> 01:10:41,101
I want to see my check. Same place he catches

874
01:10:41,141 --> 01:10:42,461
his check. Cause I want to know who pays him

875
01:10:42,802 --> 01:10:45,421
to come up here and speak to us on something

876
01:10:45,461 --> 01:10:48,305
like this. Now the city manager, should we change the

877
01:10:48,345 --> 01:10:51,825
name? Are you our city manager? Are you the developer

878
01:10:52,006 --> 01:10:56,777
city manager? The manager. The city attorney. Can we pay

879
01:10:56,777 --> 01:10:59,497
you to protect us or to protect Highland Fairview? Because

880
01:10:59,518 --> 01:11:03,897
we already know who's planning this. Now District 5 County

881
01:11:03,918 --> 01:11:09,137
supervisor has been supporting a bridge behind Lake Paris. Why

882
01:11:09,638 --> 01:11:11,697
Sanderson O'River? Have you ever heard? I've been here 50

883
01:11:11,737 --> 01:11:14,721
years. What sentence in O River? They're preparing to take

884
01:11:14,721 --> 01:11:17,041
water from leak parish and take it out of the

885
01:11:17,142 --> 01:11:20,115
lake. And that's where the water's coming from. That's the

886
01:11:20,115 --> 01:11:22,835
second elephant in the room. Let's not be idiots about

887
01:11:22,835 --> 01:11:25,555
this. You get paid too much for you to sit

888
01:11:25,595 --> 01:11:30,351
there. And not listen to the people, not just me.

889
01:11:30,351 --> 01:11:32,946
I'm not the only one mad. The people have had

890
01:11:32,986 --> 01:11:35,826
enough and you're cornering everybody into a corner. I don't

891
01:11:35,866 --> 01:11:38,146
like the fact that when we get here, the security

892
01:11:38,167 --> 01:11:42,270
guards are out there and the guns on them. There

893
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:46,090
needs to be officers with weapons to protect us. Because

894
01:11:46,191 --> 01:11:50,282
Highland Fairview tried to kill me once. Alright? Now nobody

895
01:11:50,303 --> 01:11:53,453
talks about that. But we all know that if we

896
01:11:53,493 --> 01:11:56,973
don't ask the questions, nobody up there, the puppets, except

897
01:11:56,973 --> 01:12:02,099
for one. The puppets. The puppets of Highland Fairview. Now

898
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,962
here's the deal. You guys that are working for us,

899
01:12:05,962 --> 01:12:08,922
we pay you. Thank us for your paycheck, not them.

900
01:12:08,963 --> 01:12:12,666
Yes, yes. The staff. Last week, the mayor didn't even

901
01:12:12,706 --> 01:12:15,306
show up. He needs to start showing up. Today should

902
01:12:15,306 --> 01:12:19,198
have brought doctor's notice. But it starts at District 5

903
01:12:19,779 --> 01:12:22,718
County Supervisor who was illegally appointed. And this is how

904
01:12:22,819 --> 01:12:25,118
they're doing all this. He is the one promoting that

905
01:12:25,118 --> 01:12:27,654
bridge that we don't need. You didn't care when people

906
01:12:27,654 --> 01:12:30,214
were getting killed on Gilman Springs. But what's the closest

907
01:12:30,395 --> 01:12:33,950
property owner to Gilbert Springs and the lake. It's highland

908
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:36,350
fair of you. Let's cut it out. We've already paid

909
01:12:36,611 --> 01:12:40,110
for his copy of Beverly Hills signs. Then why did

910
01:12:40,150 --> 01:12:43,258
we pay for that? Why are we paying for that?

911
01:12:43,519 --> 01:12:47,272
Come on. Tell me. Now, the manager, the attorney, one

912
01:12:47,272 --> 01:12:49,112
of the two men I kind of lost my eyesight's

913
01:12:49,152 --> 01:12:51,032
not real good, but you mentioned the only property you

914
01:12:51,072 --> 01:12:54,312
own is property that you guys have switched over to

915
01:12:54,653 --> 01:12:57,192
low income housing. Guess what? I own that property. That's

916
01:12:57,192 --> 01:13:01,088
my shopping center. And now a business commercial property center

917
01:13:01,109 --> 01:13:05,709
is residential. How much money did I lose right there?

918
01:13:05,749 --> 01:13:07,389
More than the one million you paid for those signs.

919
01:13:09,393 --> 01:13:11,692
Think about what you guys are doing it. We run

920
01:13:11,713 --> 01:13:18,803
this city. Not them! The next three speakers are Terrence

921
01:13:19,224 --> 01:13:24,656
Darby, followed by Seth Cox, followed by Franco Pacheco. And

922
01:13:25,237 --> 01:13:31,296
just briefly, um, just want to remind folks, we want

923
01:13:31,296 --> 01:13:32,616
to make sure that you say, well, you need to

924
01:13:32,616 --> 01:13:35,136
say, but also if you could please just address the

925
01:13:35,136 --> 01:13:38,016
council and, um, just a friendly reminder to try to

926
01:13:38,056 --> 01:13:41,616
stay on the topic of AI data centers, um, just

927
01:13:41,656 --> 01:13:44,896
wanted to give a friendly reminder once again, go right

928
01:13:44,936 --> 01:13:48,656
ahead. Let's, let's keep it respectful, please, folks. Go right

929
01:13:48,656 --> 01:13:51,586
ahead. Okay. Um, I don't know how to outshine that

930
01:13:51,626 --> 01:13:55,706
last speaker, but, um, I'll try my best here. My

931
01:13:55,706 --> 01:13:58,066
name is Terrence Darby. I'm 14 years old and I'm

932
01:13:58,106 --> 01:14:00,386
a resident of Mirna Valley and I have been for

933
01:14:00,487 --> 01:14:03,186
living here for nearly 10 years. I've never done this

934
01:14:03,226 --> 01:14:05,346
before, but I've decided to be here today because I

935
01:14:05,346 --> 01:14:08,626
finally get to make change. My preference here today is

936
01:14:08,727 --> 01:14:10,946
to speak out against AI data centers being built here

937
01:14:10,967 --> 01:14:13,266
in Moreno Valley. I do not have much time today

938
01:14:13,767 --> 01:14:15,666
to explain, but I can list the negative effects of

939
01:14:15,767 --> 01:14:20,546
data centers. Most obvious and well - known problem is

940
01:14:20,546 --> 01:14:22,706
that data centers wastes many gallons of water per day

941
01:14:23,447 --> 01:14:26,306
about one to five million gallons of water are used

942
01:14:26,407 --> 01:14:29,306
daily, but just one data center. We're just going to

943
01:14:29,306 --> 01:14:32,066
rise up to 30 billion gallons of water annually. Another

944
01:14:32,106 --> 01:14:34,306
problem is that they cause no dissolution, which can cause

945
01:14:34,807 --> 01:14:38,786
hearing glass problems with problems with animal reproduction and raises

946
01:14:38,826 --> 01:14:41,826
our energy bills, which we don't need at all. Residents

947
01:14:41,847 --> 01:14:44,146
that live around data centers report that they literally cannot

948
01:14:44,146 --> 01:14:46,786
get any sleep at night due to these loud noises

949
01:14:46,887 --> 01:14:50,226
that come from these data centers. Another massive problem is

950
01:14:50,226 --> 01:14:52,786
that they cause beasts not be able to pollinate and

951
01:14:52,887 --> 01:14:55,186
they eventually die due to the eight due to the

952
01:14:55,186 --> 01:14:59,186
AI data centers artificial electromagnetic field, which bees rely on

953
01:14:59,226 --> 01:15:04,316
the Earth's own electromagnetic field. And us humans Ryan B

954
01:15:04,356 --> 01:15:06,956
is for our own food. So if bees die, we

955
01:15:07,217 --> 01:15:10,396
die. They also cause temperatures to rise, which is definitely

956
01:15:10,396 --> 01:15:14,268
not what the world needs right now or California. He's

957
01:15:14,308 --> 01:15:17,708
at the moment. They even caused worse air pollution, which

958
01:15:17,729 --> 01:15:23,628
really they released carbon methade and many other harmful chemicals.

959
01:15:23,628 --> 01:15:26,428
And another problem is light pollution, which is another problem

960
01:15:26,769 --> 01:15:29,548
that I think the city should fix. But anyways, many

961
01:15:29,588 --> 01:15:31,868
citizens that live in the US that live around data

962
01:15:31,908 --> 01:15:34,988
centers report that the light that comes from these data

963
01:15:35,009 --> 01:15:38,408
centers, literally light up their entire house at night. And

964
01:15:38,408 --> 01:15:41,228
the point is these data centers cause more harm than

965
01:15:41,268 --> 01:15:44,028
good. And when I say this, I speak for every

966
01:15:44,068 --> 01:15:47,548
citizen Marino Valley. We do not need an AI data

967
01:15:47,569 --> 01:15:50,462
center in our city at all. What good can come

968
01:15:50,462 --> 01:15:54,702
from these buildings at all money? These, these buildings are

969
01:15:54,742 --> 01:15:57,182
literally hell on earth. And if you, any of you

970
01:15:57,203 --> 01:15:59,702
approve of a data set or in our city, a

971
01:15:59,702 --> 01:16:02,382
question I may ask is who's this for is this

972
01:16:02,422 --> 01:16:04,782
for the community that you sort of protect? Or is

973
01:16:04,782 --> 01:16:07,902
this for your own benefit? If even one data center

974
01:16:08,003 --> 01:16:10,542
is reproved, then you people are doing the exact opposite

975
01:16:10,582 --> 01:16:15,739
of your job. Thank you. Thank you. Next three speakers

976
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,899
are Seth Cox followed by Franco Pacheco followed by Tayana

977
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:29,935
Flores. Good evening council staff audience. Anyone else is listening.

978
01:16:29,935 --> 01:16:32,975
Um, I probably won't get as big as applause when

979
01:16:33,015 --> 01:16:35,855
I finish my speech here. I am not for or

980
01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:40,255
against. Okay. I'm factual man. I furnished the council with

981
01:16:40,996 --> 01:16:46,053
a packet of paperwork. The utility guy gave a good

982
01:16:46,093 --> 01:16:49,404
briefing. He has a bigger budget than mine. So mine's

983
01:16:49,404 --> 01:16:54,300
not a big PowerPoint presentation built by AI. But I

984
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:58,540
will say, um, I'll give you a few definitions of

985
01:16:58,561 --> 01:17:03,583
data centers. Okay. Data centers have been under your nose

986
01:17:04,004 --> 01:17:09,104
for over 25 years. Okay. Our Air Force base had

987
01:17:09,144 --> 01:17:12,304
one way back in the 70s. It was a date

988
01:17:12,304 --> 01:17:16,384
or operation center. Okay. But anyway, the definitions are edge

989
01:17:16,424 --> 01:17:19,984
and local service. You can pretty much determine what that

990
01:17:19,984 --> 01:17:24,544
one is. Small data centers that i. e. Marino Valley

991
01:17:24,584 --> 01:17:26,864
can use for their data center in the recovery sites

992
01:17:27,125 --> 01:17:31,960
in case what up and crashes. Enterprise own premise systems

993
01:17:32,861 --> 01:17:35,981
are data centers. Uh, they're owned by an operated by

994
01:17:36,002 --> 01:17:41,171
a single organization, i. e. hospitals. Other large companies that

995
01:17:41,352 --> 01:17:43,891
need their own data centers. And they also have a

996
01:17:43,912 --> 01:17:50,833
redundant one somewhere. Colocation. All right. Those were profitable for

997
01:17:51,014 --> 01:17:55,073
many, many years. That's where people built buildings. And they

998
01:17:55,113 --> 01:17:59,290
let people that needed their servers and all protected. By

999
01:17:59,311 --> 01:18:05,369
space. Okay. A 10 by 20 cage area to protect

1000
01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:09,657
their servers. Uh, I've been to many of those three

1001
01:18:10,718 --> 01:18:14,297
in my 30 plus years of being a technology risk

1002
01:18:14,297 --> 01:18:18,777
advisor for many large organizations. And I still do it

1003
01:18:18,777 --> 01:18:22,884
today for health hair organization. The two that's coming up

1004
01:18:22,905 --> 01:18:30,303
right now are, of course, the hyperscale cloud environment. Cloud

1005
01:18:30,343 --> 01:18:33,503
just came in at the word cloud came into what,

1006
01:18:33,543 --> 01:18:35,903
less than 15 years ago. But there were still data

1007
01:18:35,943 --> 01:18:38,783
centers way before them. There are some in downtown Irvine

1008
01:18:38,964 --> 01:18:40,463
just to let you know if you know where to

1009
01:18:40,463 --> 01:18:49,123
look. Cause I've been in them. Super clusters. Those are

1010
01:18:49,163 --> 01:18:52,163
the ones have it proven this stuff to be beneficial

1011
01:18:52,203 --> 01:18:58,741
for anybody except. Billionaires. Okay. Um. A lot of numbers

1012
01:18:58,922 --> 01:19:00,821
have been thrown out there. A lot of it is

1013
01:19:02,042 --> 01:19:06,161
accurate. Okay. Uh, the largest data centers out there. The

1014
01:19:06,161 --> 01:19:10,421
super clusters will use five million to 12 million gallons

1015
01:19:10,461 --> 01:19:15,358
of water a day. Okay. Um, they will also use

1016
01:19:16,499 --> 01:19:21,366
500 to a thousand megawatts. Of power per day. And

1017
01:19:21,366 --> 01:19:24,906
to bring it down to the dumb people like me.

1018
01:19:26,657 --> 01:19:36,605
Uh, a single. Thank you, sir. The next

1019
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:40,045
three speakers are Franco Pacheco followed by Tatiana Flores followed

1020
01:19:40,045 --> 01:19:49,410
by Nathan. Uh, good evening council. My name is Franco

1021
01:19:49,431 --> 01:19:54,782
Pacheco with an invalid alliance for environmental justice. Uh, I'm

1022
01:19:54,822 --> 01:19:58,042
here to support a band on AI data centers. And

1023
01:19:58,042 --> 01:20:01,482
it's a very dangerous big danger to the community. Um,

1024
01:20:01,482 --> 01:20:02,862
a lot of things can go wrong with them. We've

1025
01:20:02,862 --> 01:20:05,822
been seeing it across the country higher electric bills, higher

1026
01:20:05,843 --> 01:20:08,142
gas bills, a whole host of problems that come with

1027
01:20:08,323 --> 01:20:13,102
them. And also, uh, automation. So we're probably some of

1028
01:20:13,102 --> 01:20:17,742
the biggest warehouse clusters in the nation. So AI data

1029
01:20:17,782 --> 01:20:21,582
centers will help the automation and kick workers off the,

1030
01:20:21,622 --> 01:20:24,942
out of the warehouses, right? And then also I want

1031
01:20:24,942 --> 01:20:29,502
to ask if anybody knows what the 46 agricultural district

1032
01:20:29,523 --> 01:20:34,782
is. It's the body that represents the Paris fairgrounds and

1033
01:20:34,822 --> 01:20:39,022
at August 26th, they approved a study for an AI

1034
01:20:39,062 --> 01:20:42,462
data center at the fairgrounds. So there's one in the

1035
01:20:42,483 --> 01:20:45,182
pipeline already. And I would like to ask the council

1036
01:20:45,283 --> 01:20:48,542
if you guys got noticed of this project. We didn't

1037
01:20:48,542 --> 01:20:51,902
get noticed. Nobody knew about it. So, um, right next

1038
01:20:51,902 --> 01:20:53,982
to the lake, you know, they'll probably use the water

1039
01:20:53,982 --> 01:20:56,803
from the lake on that one. Yeah. I mean, I

1040
01:20:56,803 --> 01:20:58,403
don't know what else I can say that hasn't already

1041
01:20:58,403 --> 01:21:02,483
been said. Please ban AIDA centers from your city. Just

1042
01:21:02,483 --> 01:21:05,203
like City of Paris is in progress of doing right

1043
01:21:05,203 --> 01:21:10,976
now. Thank you. Next three speakers are Tatiana Flores followed

1044
01:21:11,016 --> 01:21:16,105
by Nathan Urina, followed by Mr. Fred Banuelos. Good evening

1045
01:21:16,446 --> 01:21:19,385
Mayor and Council members. My name is Tatiana Flores and

1046
01:21:19,406 --> 01:21:22,665
I am here to call for the prohibition and urban

1047
01:21:22,705 --> 01:21:26,505
of AI data centers in renovaly and the general surrounding

1048
01:21:26,505 --> 01:21:29,945
area. And to urge the city to follow Monterey Park,

1049
01:21:29,945 --> 01:21:32,665
Coachella and our neighbors in Paris who have all either

1050
01:21:32,926 --> 01:21:35,865
banned or are working towards banning data centers in their

1051
01:21:35,865 --> 01:21:38,425
cities. First of all, I'd like to thank the council

1052
01:21:38,425 --> 01:21:40,745
for bringing this up for discussing. This is a topic

1053
01:21:40,766 --> 01:21:43,945
that community members and I have mentioned several times throughout

1054
01:21:43,966 --> 01:21:48,265
the months as Ishmael mentioned, especially when the warehouse moratorium

1055
01:21:48,265 --> 01:21:51,945
was being proposed earlier this year, um, I remain extremely

1056
01:21:52,046 --> 01:21:55,785
concerned with the various proposals to introduce data centers and

1057
01:21:55,825 --> 01:21:58,985
underserved communities across the state and region, such as those

1058
01:21:59,086 --> 01:22:02,505
that we saw in imperial county and the Coachella Valley

1059
01:22:02,606 --> 01:22:06,425
due to the various studies and community testimonies that highlight

1060
01:22:06,446 --> 01:22:09,785
the significant amount of water and energy that they utilize

1061
01:22:10,606 --> 01:22:14,665
according to the international energy agency, a single modern AI

1062
01:22:14,686 --> 01:22:17,785
data center can use as much power as a hundred

1063
01:22:17,785 --> 01:22:20,905
thousand homes, which we heard in the presentation. And many

1064
01:22:20,945 --> 01:22:23,785
of the larger ones being built are expected to consume

1065
01:22:23,886 --> 01:22:26,825
up to 20 times that amount. If a data center

1066
01:22:26,926 --> 01:22:29,385
were to be built in Reno Valley, this could result

1067
01:22:29,486 --> 01:22:33,785
in rising power bills for residents. Additionally, the Lawrence Berkeley

1068
01:22:33,966 --> 01:22:37,065
National Laboratory estimates that a mid - sized data center

1069
01:22:37,566 --> 01:22:40,745
consumes around 300, 000 gallons of water a day, which

1070
01:22:40,745 --> 01:22:44,585
poses concerns for Southern California regions as we often face

1071
01:22:44,766 --> 01:22:47,865
drought and dry conditions. On top of water and energy

1072
01:22:48,126 --> 01:22:51,305
usage, data centers have been documented to also contribute to

1073
01:22:51,566 --> 01:22:55,145
air pollution and warming temperatures. And how many fires have

1074
01:22:55,185 --> 01:22:58,665
we had recently, y'all? These types of wildfires will continue

1075
01:22:58,665 --> 01:23:02,485
to happen with worsening air pollution and drier conditions. And

1076
01:23:02,606 --> 01:23:06,385
I also believe that Lake Paris is at threat. We

1077
01:23:06,385 --> 01:23:08,985
recently just went to a meeting where they had their

1078
01:23:09,086 --> 01:23:13,305
general plan updates being discussed for Lake Paris. So it

1079
01:23:13,305 --> 01:23:15,625
would be sad to see all that progress that community

1080
01:23:15,646 --> 01:23:19,465
members are, you know, contributing. Just be gone if this

1081
01:23:19,465 --> 01:23:23,367
were to happen. And like Franco just mentioned, um, on

1082
01:23:23,468 --> 01:23:27,527
August 26, the southern California fair and events board meeting

1083
01:23:27,948 --> 01:23:30,487
signed a non - binding agreement with global stack to

1084
01:23:30,487 --> 01:23:34,167
study the feasibility of a small data center, um, and

1085
01:23:34,428 --> 01:23:36,567
many of us were not aware of that, but this

1086
01:23:36,748 --> 01:23:40,487
is something that the city of Moval and Paris should

1087
01:23:40,487 --> 01:23:43,907
be alert on. It's right there in the border. And

1088
01:23:43,907 --> 01:23:46,647
you should also join us in investigating this and fighting

1089
01:23:46,828 --> 01:23:50,887
against it. So like the presentation calls for, let's say

1090
01:23:50,927 --> 01:23:54,007
expectations, let's be clear, you know, data centers are not

1091
01:23:54,188 --> 01:23:56,727
wanted in Moreno Valley or the inland empire as a

1092
01:23:56,727 --> 01:24:03,319
whole. And yeah, thank you. Three speakers are Nathan Yerina.

1093
01:24:04,249 --> 01:24:06,628
Followed by Fred Bonuelos, followed by Eddie Torres.

1094
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:21,738
Honorable counsel, Mr. Mayor, staff, residents of Murder Valley. Your

1095
01:24:21,778 --> 01:24:27,258
contemporaries, Mr. Mayor, honorable counsel in Coachella, Paris, Riverside, Fresno,

1096
01:24:27,258 --> 01:24:30,698
and other cities throughout California are facing the similar question

1097
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:34,598
on the issue of data centers. They have the, uh,

1098
01:24:35,519 --> 01:24:38,458
foresight to understand that this is an issue facing their

1099
01:24:38,498 --> 01:24:42,138
communities. In speaking with members of the city council in

1100
01:24:42,178 --> 01:24:46,618
Paris, Fresno and in Riverside, the issues are of quality

1101
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:53,818
of life and of utility usage. Members of the Riverside

1102
01:24:53,858 --> 01:24:57,818
City Council and proposal of an AI data center ban

1103
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,218
state, clearly, that they do not have the infrastructure to

1104
01:25:02,218 --> 01:25:05,418
place a data center within the city limits of Riverside.

1105
01:25:07,573 --> 01:25:11,552
The remaining lands in Rynivalley should be and must be.

1106
01:25:12,926 --> 01:25:16,985
For the benefit of additional housing, of economic growth and

1107
01:25:16,985 --> 01:25:21,889
job creation. When the issue of a warehouse moratorium came

1108
01:25:21,889 --> 01:25:24,529
before this council, an argument was made that the city

1109
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:27,729
of Marnivelli is built out, or that the moratorium should

1110
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:31,489
have begun at an earlier process when the warehouses were

1111
01:25:31,529 --> 01:25:35,962
being constructed. This is your opportunity now to get ahead

1112
01:25:36,223 --> 01:25:39,213
of the issue of data centers. I ask that the

1113
01:25:39,234 --> 01:25:44,093
city council, in accordance to title nine, codify that data

1114
01:25:44,133 --> 01:25:48,173
centers are not and shall not be used in the

1115
01:25:48,274 --> 01:25:52,610
permitted use guidelines within the city ordinances. You have the

1116
01:25:52,711 --> 01:25:56,770
authority to codify that to ensure that future councils do

1117
01:25:56,810 --> 01:26:01,879
not. Bring data centers to the city of Rinivalley. To

1118
01:26:01,879 --> 01:26:05,959
give you some rough numbers, you have heard members of

1119
01:26:05,959 --> 01:26:08,039
the public saying that some data centers use up to

1120
01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:11,239
five million gallons of water. To put that in perspective,

1121
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:16,599
one acre feet of water is roughly 325, 000 gallons.

1122
01:26:17,901 --> 01:26:22,189
That's 15 acre feet of water. For 5 million going

1123
01:26:22,210 --> 01:26:28,924
in daily. Per year, that's over 5, 400 acre feet

1124
01:26:28,964 --> 01:26:32,924
of water. If you're going to go into this, think

1125
01:26:32,924 --> 01:26:35,417
of the about the issues. We have the potential to

1126
01:26:35,438 --> 01:26:39,417
lose 1. 7 billion gallons of water to data centers

1127
01:26:39,417 --> 01:26:44,822
in our region. Local municipal water districts from Metropolitan Water

1128
01:26:44,923 --> 01:26:47,942
Disher. From the Coachella Valley water authority, from the San

1129
01:26:47,982 --> 01:26:50,902
Diego water authority have clearly stated they do not have

1130
01:26:50,923 --> 01:26:56,502
the infrastructure to build or even to supply data centers,

1131
01:26:56,502 --> 01:26:59,702
which is why they are urging their constituents and they

1132
01:26:59,742 --> 01:27:03,382
are urging their contemporaries on city councils to be mindful

1133
01:27:03,483 --> 01:27:07,728
of this issue. I think you for your time. And

1134
01:27:07,728 --> 01:27:11,588
I again urge that in accordance to Title IX. You

1135
01:27:11,609 --> 01:27:14,948
codify this ban of data centers in the conditional uses

1136
01:27:15,289 --> 01:27:20,591
for the city of Mary Valley. Thank you. The next

1137
01:27:20,772 --> 01:27:24,031
three speakers are Mr. Fred Bunuelos, followed by Eddie Torres,

1138
01:27:24,031 --> 01:27:30,806
followed by Nacey Antoine. Hello everyone, I'm here like Seth.

1139
01:27:30,806 --> 01:27:32,166
I don't really have an opinion. I came here to

1140
01:27:32,667 --> 01:27:36,086
listen to the presentation to get educated. Wanted to hear

1141
01:27:36,086 --> 01:27:40,230
what the public had to say. Um, but I do

1142
01:27:40,230 --> 01:27:45,468
have a concerned. Are they able to handle any type

1143
01:27:45,508 --> 01:27:47,628
of emergency if these things blow up, if these things

1144
01:27:47,729 --> 01:27:51,148
catch on fire, you had somebody mentioned it earlier. That's

1145
01:27:51,329 --> 01:27:53,748
one of my concerns. You know, is there going to

1146
01:27:53,748 --> 01:27:56,148
be some, we have to get evacuated. I want to

1147
01:27:56,209 --> 01:28:01,522
get learned more about these data centers. Um.

1148
01:28:07,017 --> 01:28:08,996
Let's see what else you guys have here. I'm sorry.

1149
01:28:11,003 --> 01:28:13,782
Oh, I see people, I mean, we need data centers.

1150
01:28:15,158 --> 01:28:19,675
I see people here with, uh, their phones, computers. What

1151
01:28:19,696 --> 01:28:21,435
happens if you don't have that data center and your

1152
01:28:21,435 --> 01:28:23,452
phone doesn't work anymore. What are you going to do

1153
01:28:23,452 --> 01:28:30,381
then. Can you guys, I'm trying to talk here. Yeah.

1154
01:28:30,381 --> 01:28:34,301
But let's pause the time. Yeah. Just, I know you

1155
01:28:34,341 --> 01:28:36,621
may not agree with what's being said, but everybody gets

1156
01:28:36,642 --> 01:28:38,861
a fair shot. I'm just asking that everybody keeps it

1157
01:28:38,901 --> 01:28:41,581
respectful. Everybody has three minutes, equal amount of time to

1158
01:28:41,581 --> 01:28:44,021
speak. Right now, Mr. Benuelos is at the podium. If

1159
01:28:44,021 --> 01:28:46,141
we could please just keep it respectful, uh, to allow

1160
01:28:46,162 --> 01:28:52,840
Mr. Benuellis to give his public comment. Thank you. So

1161
01:28:53,021 --> 01:28:56,440
going back to that, I mean, you don't want to

1162
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,800
in our neighborhood. It's going to have to go somewhere.

1163
01:28:58,983 --> 01:29:01,202
And that's why I'm trying to get educated. Listen to

1164
01:29:01,202 --> 01:29:02,802
these people when they're up here at the mic and

1165
01:29:02,842 --> 01:29:04,882
not behind me. I want to hear what they have

1166
01:29:04,882 --> 01:29:09,656
to say. So again, I don't have an opinion on

1167
01:29:09,696 --> 01:29:11,976
it. I'm trying to get educated. That's why I came

1168
01:29:11,976 --> 01:29:16,912
here. And then, uh. Just a safety thing for me,

1169
01:29:16,912 --> 01:29:19,552
you know, what happens? I wish our chief would have

1170
01:29:19,552 --> 01:29:22,032
been here to maybe answer some questions on how we

1171
01:29:22,072 --> 01:29:24,992
would, uh, deal with a fire, you know, or the

1172
01:29:24,992 --> 01:29:28,752
things going to blow up batteries, that type of deal.

1173
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,939
Uh, I'm doing some searches and I'm hearing that the,

1174
01:29:31,939 --> 01:29:35,939
uh, almonds take more water to, uh, produce than it

1175
01:29:35,979 --> 01:29:38,099
is on these data centers. So I'm still in the

1176
01:29:38,139 --> 01:29:41,039
learning process trying to figure out what's going on. And

1177
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:47,662
I'll end on, uh, the three meetings tonight guys. Valverde,

1178
01:29:47,662 --> 01:29:49,902
renal valley unified, and this one. We got to do

1179
01:29:49,902 --> 01:29:52,462
something to fix that so I can be at those

1180
01:29:52,462 --> 01:29:56,253
other meetings if I need to be. Thank you. The

1181
01:29:56,253 --> 01:29:59,293
next three speakers are eddi Torres followed by Nacey Antoine,

1182
01:29:59,293 --> 01:30:08,758
followed by Krista Hawkins. Hello grievening. My name is Eddi

1183
01:30:08,779 --> 01:30:11,478
Torres. On the policy director for the Illin Coalition from

1184
01:30:11,499 --> 01:30:13,558
Brick and Justice, but I'm here as a resident of

1185
01:30:13,579 --> 01:30:17,078
Mernivalley long time since I've moved here back in 2003

1186
01:30:17,499 --> 01:30:19,718
with my family. None raised on my own family here

1187
01:30:19,739 --> 01:30:22,438
with my little one, my wife. And we're really happy

1188
01:30:22,478 --> 01:30:24,898
to be here alongside our families and our neighbors. Um,

1189
01:30:25,259 --> 01:30:28,998
depending that we ban data centers and Marni Valley, this

1190
01:30:28,998 --> 01:30:32,278
is for the future. This is for generations to come

1191
01:30:32,459 --> 01:30:34,678
for the kids for the youth to enjoy this city

1192
01:30:35,179 --> 01:30:36,758
as it is today as much as we can to

1193
01:30:36,798 --> 01:30:39,280
preserve it. Uh, a couple of months ago. I'm sure

1194
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,520
you all know there was a big fire by the

1195
01:30:41,861 --> 01:30:46,881
Kaiser Permanente on iris. Around there. Several neighborhoods had to

1196
01:30:46,881 --> 01:30:49,761
get evacuated, including my mother - in - law's house,

1197
01:30:49,761 --> 01:30:52,881
right? All those pets. My sister's - in - laws,

1198
01:30:52,881 --> 01:30:54,881
mother - in - law had to evacuate. It's really

1199
01:30:54,921 --> 01:30:57,041
scary to think about climate change and what's happening all

1200
01:30:57,081 --> 01:31:00,081
over the globe now. This is more humid today than

1201
01:31:00,182 --> 01:31:02,401
it was in Miami. That's pretty crazy to think about

1202
01:31:02,582 --> 01:31:04,961
just to put into perspective that we're going through these

1203
01:31:05,062 --> 01:31:09,201
changes. And it's not stopping anytime soon. With that, there's

1204
01:31:09,302 --> 01:31:11,681
urgency to protect what we do have and make sure

1205
01:31:11,702 --> 01:31:14,641
that generations to come have the ability to enjoy and

1206
01:31:14,641 --> 01:31:17,521
baskin in, right? Whether that's Lake Paris, whether that's the

1207
01:31:17,542 --> 01:31:20,521
water that we currently have to enjoy for ourselves, we

1208
01:31:20,521 --> 01:31:22,081
need to do what we can to protect what we

1209
01:31:22,081 --> 01:31:24,641
have and preserve it. And that starts with banning data

1210
01:31:24,662 --> 01:31:28,544
centers. And adelanto, they're currently going through something really similar

1211
01:31:28,645 --> 01:31:32,544
right now. The planning commission voted to not support data

1212
01:31:32,565 --> 01:31:35,104
centers, but the fight ongoing. I can tell you that

1213
01:31:35,845 --> 01:31:38,144
once it's being built, it's extremely hard to get rid

1214
01:31:38,184 --> 01:31:40,704
of it. It's better to get rid of it right

1215
01:31:40,725 --> 01:31:44,144
now before it even has a chance to sprout. Because

1216
01:31:44,144 --> 01:31:46,624
once something is built, whether it's detention centers or whether

1217
01:31:46,664 --> 01:31:49,104
it's warehousing, it's extremely difficult to get it out of

1218
01:31:49,104 --> 01:31:52,144
your community. So you guys have an opportunity right now

1219
01:31:52,245 --> 01:31:54,224
to stand by your community and do the right thing

1220
01:31:54,805 --> 01:32:00,267
and ban data centers forever. Thank you. The next three

1221
01:32:00,267 --> 01:32:03,387
speakers are Nacey Antoine, followed by Krista Hawkins, followed by

1222
01:32:04,128 --> 01:32:09,928
Shadem Odom. Hi. Once again, long time resident, 36, 37

1223
01:32:09,968 --> 01:32:17,811
years here. We find ourself here often. And me, truly,

1224
01:32:17,811 --> 01:32:20,211
I feel like you guys don't sit here and represent

1225
01:32:20,211 --> 01:32:23,091
us at all. Last night was the first time I

1226
01:32:23,112 --> 01:32:28,029
seen one of y'all say no to a project. And

1227
01:32:28,930 --> 01:32:32,269
it's getting ridiculous here. We don't need a data center.

1228
01:32:32,269 --> 01:32:35,281
We don't want a data center. And I keep asking

1229
01:32:35,302 --> 01:32:37,761
you guys, how many of y'all truly live in this

1230
01:32:37,801 --> 01:32:40,802
area. Cause I don't believe it. I don't believe it

1231
01:32:41,063 --> 01:32:44,855
because of the way it look. Everybody sit here. When

1232
01:32:44,855 --> 01:32:46,455
they get out, they get on the 60 and go

1233
01:32:46,476 --> 01:32:49,659
the other way. This is our home. This is our

1234
01:32:49,699 --> 01:32:52,619
home. We asking you guys to represent us and protect

1235
01:32:52,619 --> 01:32:55,259
it. This is our home. This is my third house

1236
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:59,056
I purchased in merino valley. And I know it's going

1237
01:32:59,056 --> 01:33:01,966
to be my last. But this, we asking you guys

1238
01:33:02,307 --> 01:33:06,001
to represent us, stop, stop selling us out. I'm not

1239
01:33:06,001 --> 01:33:07,521
going to, I'm not going to give you no numbers

1240
01:33:07,782 --> 01:33:10,161
and all that cause y'all already know that. Just like

1241
01:33:10,161 --> 01:33:12,161
the young lady said y'all already had your mind made

1242
01:33:12,201 --> 01:33:15,464
up. This is a show. But we here to stop

1243
01:33:15,485 --> 01:33:18,865
the show. Now you guys sell us out all the

1244
01:33:18,865 --> 01:33:23,097
time. For, for a dollar. We don't have nothing in

1245
01:33:23,137 --> 01:33:28,537
here, bold. Warehouses, dispensaries and car washes. And they all

1246
01:33:28,558 --> 01:33:31,885
drug front. And I hate to say it. But we

1247
01:33:31,906 --> 01:33:34,750
got too many of them. It's too many of them.

1248
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:36,830
It's time for y'all to start doing something and represent

1249
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:40,482
us. And I got to keep it straight with y'all.

1250
01:33:40,482 --> 01:33:41,602
I'm not going to sit up here and try to

1251
01:33:41,623 --> 01:33:44,162
sugarcoat it. It's too many of them. When you drive

1252
01:33:44,202 --> 01:33:46,402
down the street and the two car washes next door

1253
01:33:46,423 --> 01:33:49,602
to each other, that's a problem. And you know what

1254
01:33:49,642 --> 01:33:51,834
I tell y'all every time I come up here. They

1255
01:33:51,834 --> 01:33:55,456
say, Oh, just put it in merino valley. They, they

1256
01:33:55,557 --> 01:33:59,148
settle for anything. Throw it over there with them. And

1257
01:33:59,169 --> 01:34:02,028
you guys sit there and go, yeah, yeah. And then

1258
01:34:02,049 --> 01:34:06,748
I wonder, once it goes, and once it go, and

1259
01:34:06,788 --> 01:34:08,748
it comes on the board, like you said, you guys

1260
01:34:09,089 --> 01:34:10,668
all say, Oh, you have to, we have to approve

1261
01:34:10,708 --> 01:34:12,748
it because they did everything they was supposed to do.

1262
01:34:14,525 --> 01:34:17,144
What are y'all sitting here for? Y'all might as well

1263
01:34:17,405 --> 01:34:19,704
just put our money back in our city and go

1264
01:34:19,744 --> 01:34:22,771
home. Go to work like we do. Cause y'all not

1265
01:34:22,771 --> 01:34:26,766
working for us. We don't want the data center. Stop.

1266
01:34:27,522 --> 01:34:34,030
I don't even know what to say. Workforce. The next

1267
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:37,390
three speakers are Krista Hawkins followed by Shaydim Odom, followed

1268
01:34:37,390 --> 01:34:43,126
by Morgan Valley. Hi, I'm Krista Hawkins. Longtime resident. I'm

1269
01:34:43,126 --> 01:34:45,146
Reno Valley. I've been here all my life. I was

1270
01:34:45,167 --> 01:34:48,026
raised here. I remember when I went to Vesta de

1271
01:34:48,066 --> 01:34:50,506
lago, we had some organization come when I was in

1272
01:34:50,687 --> 01:34:53,266
ASB and they and this was, I'm not going to

1273
01:34:53,266 --> 01:34:55,606
tell my age, but this was a while ago. And

1274
01:34:55,606 --> 01:34:57,626
they were telling us about how we were the future

1275
01:34:57,666 --> 01:35:00,426
leaders of Marino Valley and how the leadership in Reno

1276
01:35:00,466 --> 01:35:02,986
Valley. There's no jobs in Reno Valley. And that always

1277
01:35:03,026 --> 01:35:05,946
stuck with me. Why do we have to go outside

1278
01:35:06,047 --> 01:35:09,306
of Renovalley to get nice things? Why are there so

1279
01:35:09,306 --> 01:35:12,670
many commuters. That's why the freeway is always full all

1280
01:35:12,670 --> 01:35:14,510
the time because people have to go outside and renovate

1281
01:35:14,531 --> 01:35:17,710
to work. And we're against the data center. We do

1282
01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:19,630
not need it. And I don't know if you guys

1283
01:35:19,670 --> 01:35:24,750
know what environmental injustices, but it's the unequal distribution of

1284
01:35:24,931 --> 01:35:30,510
environmental hazards and benefits, which places a disproportionate burden on

1285
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:34,590
pollution, toxic waste, climate risk on low income minority and

1286
01:35:34,590 --> 01:35:38,110
marginalized communities. Why aren't they proposing to put data centers

1287
01:35:38,211 --> 01:35:42,910
in Beverly Hills or in Calabasas with the Kardashians or

1288
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:46,270
in Sherman Oaks? Why is it always a marginalized communities?

1289
01:35:46,270 --> 01:35:48,270
Have you guys thought about that? Why is it always

1290
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:54,270
marginalized communities? Places like merino valley. I would love to

1291
01:35:54,270 --> 01:35:55,950
know that. I would love to know have you guys

1292
01:35:55,950 --> 01:35:58,590
even thought about that. And then also I appreciate everyone

1293
01:35:58,691 --> 01:36:01,550
coming up here with numbers and being prepared. You guys

1294
01:36:01,731 --> 01:36:03,710
also need to be prepared. You can't leave it on

1295
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:05,230
us to do the work. A lot of us are

1296
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:07,790
getting off of work, dropping kids off, all types of

1297
01:36:07,811 --> 01:36:09,390
things just to come up here and educate you guys

1298
01:36:09,411 --> 01:36:11,470
for what we pay you for. So you guys should

1299
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:14,430
be reading seeing what's on the news, seeing what's on

1300
01:36:14,691 --> 01:36:17,710
a more perfect union, a different centers. And then I

1301
01:36:17,710 --> 01:36:21,630
also want to know why can Coachella band something. Something

1302
01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:23,310
comes up to you guys. You're like, well, they did

1303
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:24,910
everything they're supposed to do. We can't, we can't go

1304
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:27,070
against it. Maybe you guys need to bump elbows with

1305
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:28,590
them and talk with them and see what's going on

1306
01:36:29,331 --> 01:36:31,790
in their bylaws, their rules or whatever it is and

1307
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:34,350
see why they can ban something and you guys have

1308
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:37,710
to approve everything somebody comes up here with, especially a

1309
01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:41,050
doubted center. And I'm really disappointed to hear that, um,

1310
01:36:41,171 --> 01:36:44,110
some of the residents come up here saying that it's

1311
01:36:44,110 --> 01:36:45,950
already kind of in the works and things are happening.

1312
01:36:45,950 --> 01:36:47,870
And you guys are being sneaky. Like I don't, I

1313
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:50,190
don't like that. And I think it's, it's really bad.

1314
01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:52,350
It really is when you sit on a desk and

1315
01:36:52,371 --> 01:36:55,790
you're getting paid from us. I pay my taxes. I

1316
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:58,510
pay my taxes. I'm not Reno Valley Mall. You guys

1317
01:36:58,550 --> 01:37:01,310
don't pay your taxes for me. I pay my taxes.

1318
01:37:01,310 --> 01:37:02,350
So I just feel like you guys need to work

1319
01:37:02,451 --> 01:37:04,350
for us and do what you're supposed to do the

1320
01:37:04,350 --> 01:37:06,030
same way the mayor you went out and you want

1321
01:37:06,030 --> 01:37:08,030
it that boxing gym and you were talking to them.

1322
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:09,550
You want them to come here. You need to come

1323
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:12,110
out and talk to us and see what we want.

1324
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:13,950
It needs to be a more persistent thing. Just like

1325
01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:16,190
you did that, you need to come talk to us.

1326
01:37:16,190 --> 01:37:22,239
Thank you. Next three speakers are shade em Odom followed

1327
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,239
by Morgan Vallev followed by Lindsay Robinson.

1328
01:37:35,605 --> 01:37:39,584
Good evening Mayor and Council. My name is Shatam Odom

1329
01:37:39,624 --> 01:37:41,984
and I'm a mother and an educator here in Marino

1330
01:37:42,005 --> 01:37:44,524
Valley. And I deeply care about our city in the

1331
01:37:44,524 --> 01:37:47,500
future of our city. This weekend, uh, I went to

1332
01:37:47,601 --> 01:37:52,380
farmer's market in Temecula. I then went to Irvine and

1333
01:37:52,420 --> 01:37:56,300
watched families walking children playing eating shopping and simply enjoying

1334
01:37:56,340 --> 01:38:01,014
the community. I found myself asking again, why do so

1335
01:38:01,014 --> 01:38:03,014
many of us have to leave Marino Valley to experience

1336
01:38:03,275 --> 01:38:07,654
these things? I'm not asking Merino Valley to become Temecula

1337
01:38:07,995 --> 01:38:12,093
or Irvine. I'm asking Marino Valley to become the Marino

1338
01:38:12,133 --> 01:38:15,142
Valley. We said we wanted to be. Our own general

1339
01:38:15,323 --> 01:38:22,102
plan that 2040 plan talks about vibrant gathering places, recreation,

1340
01:38:22,123 --> 01:38:27,222
culture, economic opportunity and becoming a complete live work play

1341
01:38:27,262 --> 01:38:31,824
community. As we discuss data centers tonight, my question is

1342
01:38:31,864 --> 01:38:36,224
bigger. Are our development decisions actually moving us towards that

1343
01:38:36,224 --> 01:38:41,424
vision? Because we already half warehouses. We have trust truck

1344
01:38:41,424 --> 01:38:45,824
traffic storage facilities, industrial development and much more development that

1345
01:38:45,864 --> 01:38:50,019
has been approved, but not even built yet. Uh, and

1346
01:38:50,059 --> 01:38:54,579
we have history in 2024, a riverside county superior court

1347
01:38:54,619 --> 01:38:59,459
found deficiencies and portions of merino valley's general plan, environmental

1348
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:04,899
analysis, involved me air quality, greenhouse gas emissions, energy use,

1349
01:39:04,899 --> 01:39:08,675
and the environmental baseline. That should matter as we consider

1350
01:39:09,576 --> 01:39:12,835
data centers because projects may become, may come before you

1351
01:39:13,096 --> 01:39:17,075
one at a time, a warehouse, a storage facility, a

1352
01:39:17,176 --> 01:39:23,715
data center. And last week that, um, the other facility.

1353
01:39:23,715 --> 01:39:26,896
But residents live and all of them together. We breathe

1354
01:39:26,896 --> 01:39:30,176
the air together. We dry the rose together. Our children

1355
01:39:30,597 --> 01:39:33,776
inherit the decisions we make today. And we have choices

1356
01:39:34,757 --> 01:39:38,496
in June, the parasity council voted 50 to move forward

1357
01:39:38,536 --> 01:39:42,576
with a citywide prohibition on data centers. I'm not saying

1358
01:39:42,597 --> 01:39:45,776
we have to copy Paris. I'm saying Marino Valley has

1359
01:39:45,797 --> 01:39:48,896
choices too. So before we open the door to another

1360
01:39:49,237 --> 01:39:55,257
major land use, tell us. What is cumulative impact. How

1361
01:39:55,297 --> 01:39:59,417
much water and electricity? How many permanent jobs and what

1362
01:39:59,457 --> 01:40:02,697
opportunities do we, uh, do we give up when we

1363
01:40:02,697 --> 01:40:06,057
commit to that land for decades? Those aren't anti -

1364
01:40:06,057 --> 01:40:10,284
business questions. They are responsible government questions. I believe merino

1365
01:40:10,385 --> 01:40:12,444
valley can be a place where our families don't have

1366
01:40:12,444 --> 01:40:15,564
to leave town to have a great experience. Our children

1367
01:40:15,665 --> 01:40:21,244
deserve gathering spaces, restaurants, entertainment, recreation, culture, and great jobs

1368
01:40:21,905 --> 01:40:26,994
right here. I haven't given up on Reno Valley. I

1369
01:40:27,095 --> 01:40:30,254
expect more because I believe we can be more. The

1370
01:40:30,254 --> 01:40:34,434
vision is already written 2040. Let's now let's have the

1371
01:40:34,474 --> 01:40:39,736
courage to build it. Thank you. The next three speakers

1372
01:40:39,997 --> 01:40:43,656
are Morgan Valley followed by Lindsay Robinson, followed by Nivea.

1373
01:40:43,656 --> 01:40:49,314
Go ahead, Morgan. Hello. Uh, I don't want to repeat

1374
01:40:49,354 --> 01:40:53,074
everything that everybody has said. I also am against the

1375
01:40:53,415 --> 01:40:57,512
large AI data centers. Uh, but really we need to

1376
01:40:57,512 --> 01:40:59,792
look at it from, you know, if we are going

1377
01:40:59,792 --> 01:41:02,912
to look at smaller data centers or things like that,

1378
01:41:02,912 --> 01:41:05,552
we need to look at, is this a community benefit?

1379
01:41:05,592 --> 01:41:08,272
What benefit are we getting from having these data centers?

1380
01:41:08,272 --> 01:41:10,032
Because the developers are going to come in, they're going

1381
01:41:10,032 --> 01:41:13,072
to promise us the world. And then they're not going

1382
01:41:13,072 --> 01:41:14,912
to follow through. We've seen that happen over and over

1383
01:41:14,912 --> 01:41:16,712
and over again, where the developers go, we're going to

1384
01:41:16,712 --> 01:41:19,884
give you this. We're going to give you money. That

1385
01:41:19,884 --> 01:41:21,204
money's going to run out and we're not going to

1386
01:41:21,265 --> 01:41:23,964
have anything substantial. They're not going to follow through on

1387
01:41:23,964 --> 01:41:25,404
their agreement or they're going to get halfway through the

1388
01:41:25,444 --> 01:41:28,044
project and then leave us stuck in the mud again.

1389
01:41:28,705 --> 01:41:30,524
So I, you know, we need to really look at

1390
01:41:30,564 --> 01:41:33,164
these developers if they're saying that they're going to give

1391
01:41:33,164 --> 01:41:35,649
us the world. Are they actually going to. Um, the

1392
01:41:35,689 --> 01:41:39,329
other thing that was mentioned during the presentation was the,

1393
01:41:39,329 --> 01:41:42,049
um, utility, uh, he said something along the line said

1394
01:41:42,049 --> 01:41:43,569
like, Oh yeah, you know, for whatever the project is,

1395
01:41:43,569 --> 01:41:46,275
I can get enough power for it. Why don't we

1396
01:41:46,275 --> 01:41:50,515
put that energy into expanding MDU for our residents? I

1397
01:41:50,536 --> 01:41:54,275
have Edison and their rates are insane. I would much

1398
01:41:54,315 --> 01:41:57,715
rather have MBU. Let's give that benefit to the community

1399
01:41:57,896 --> 01:42:00,275
and expand it for the residence, not for a data

1400
01:42:00,296 --> 01:42:04,010
center. Um, and I agree with what Mr. Benwell said

1401
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:07,130
about reducing usage. We all use cell phones. We all

1402
01:42:07,130 --> 01:42:10,010
use this information. If we really truly care about the

1403
01:42:10,111 --> 01:42:13,450
environment, we shouldn't be using AI. We shouldn't be saying,

1404
01:42:13,450 --> 01:42:16,810
well, not here, but somewhere else. You know, I need

1405
01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:18,390
my AI. I got to do my, I got to

1406
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:20,490
make myself look like a cat. Send it to all

1407
01:42:20,530 --> 01:42:22,730
my friends. No, we shouldn't be using it. We should

1408
01:42:22,730 --> 01:42:24,890
all be trying to reduce our usage. So the demand

1409
01:42:24,890 --> 01:42:27,690
for these massive centers goes down. That would help alleviate

1410
01:42:27,730 --> 01:42:30,650
this issue for all of our neighbors across the country,

1411
01:42:30,650 --> 01:42:34,770
not just here. Um, sorry. This is much easier in

1412
01:42:34,770 --> 01:42:36,610
person. I don't like doing it on Zoom. I do

1413
01:42:36,610 --> 01:42:39,250
appreciate that it's available though. Uh, the other concern I

1414
01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:41,330
had was the water usage. We have been asking residents

1415
01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:43,890
for years to reduce our water usage, get rid of

1416
01:42:43,890 --> 01:42:46,759
your grasp, put in native plants. But then we had

1417
01:42:46,799 --> 01:42:48,919
these developers who want to come in with these projects

1418
01:42:48,959 --> 01:42:54,545
that use massive amounts of water. It just seems counterintuitive

1419
01:42:54,806 --> 01:42:56,625
to put something like that in a desert where we

1420
01:42:56,625 --> 01:42:59,105
already don't have enough water. So again, I don't want

1421
01:42:59,105 --> 01:43:00,785
to reiterate the things that everyone said. I am a

1422
01:43:00,785 --> 01:43:02,865
very much against these larger data centers, but it's a

1423
01:43:02,865 --> 01:43:04,865
much bigger issue. And it is a lot of things

1424
01:43:04,905 --> 01:43:07,825
that we need to consider. But I would support banning

1425
01:43:07,865 --> 01:43:10,465
those large AI datas that are data centers in the

1426
01:43:10,465 --> 01:43:13,807
city. Thank you so much. The next three speakers are

1427
01:43:13,828 --> 01:43:21,733
Lindsay Robinson, followed by Navea, followed by Louise Palomares. Good

1428
01:43:21,733 --> 01:43:25,013
evening, everyone. I have a few questions that I know

1429
01:43:25,053 --> 01:43:28,213
you can't answer, but will the PowerPoint be available for

1430
01:43:28,253 --> 01:43:33,253
the public or can we just type in chat GPT,

1431
01:43:33,253 --> 01:43:36,373
you know, create a presentation for me on data centers?

1432
01:43:36,373 --> 01:43:40,373
Um, when you give a presentation and say stuff about

1433
01:43:40,874 --> 01:43:45,013
megawatts is that per hour, per day, per week, per

1434
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:48,693
year, um, someone else in the audience brought it up

1435
01:43:48,874 --> 01:43:51,813
that it's per year, but again, it's confusing if we

1436
01:43:51,853 --> 01:43:56,613
hear 500 megawatts and not know what the timeframe is.

1437
01:43:58,197 --> 01:44:01,216
Um, out of all of you here, up on that

1438
01:44:01,477 --> 01:44:04,156
side, not out there, except for Elena, none of you

1439
01:44:04,156 --> 01:44:07,616
were involved in the world that just sticks, um, fight

1440
01:44:07,717 --> 01:44:11,456
or whatever. Um, but what you need to know, because

1441
01:44:11,797 --> 01:44:16,176
data centers look like clusters of warehouses. The city does

1442
01:44:16,216 --> 01:44:19,216
not get to dictate what Ito puts in any of

1443
01:44:19,216 --> 01:44:23,256
the warehouses. One of the dissenting council members say, so

1444
01:44:23,256 --> 01:44:27,196
you can put hazardous materials, batteries, whatever out there. And

1445
01:44:27,196 --> 01:44:29,936
we can't say no. And in the agreement, go back

1446
01:44:29,957 --> 01:44:32,656
and look, unless somehow or other he's changed it, which

1447
01:44:32,656 --> 01:44:36,016
I doubt, you have no say in what he puts

1448
01:44:36,056 --> 01:44:40,336
out there. Therefore, many people are suspecting a data center

1449
01:44:40,677 --> 01:44:43,616
is something that he wants to bring forward. And you

1450
01:44:43,616 --> 01:44:46,416
will not be able to stop it because they're his

1451
01:44:46,456 --> 01:44:50,976
warehouses. He's already looking for energy and water. So look

1452
01:44:50,976 --> 01:44:53,856
into the agreement because the city gave up the right

1453
01:44:53,896 --> 01:45:01,122
to say what goes into his warehouses. Thank you. The

1454
01:45:01,122 --> 01:45:04,749
next three speakers are Naveo followed by Luis Palomares. Followed

1455
01:45:04,749 --> 01:45:07,789
by an online caller with the last four or five

1456
01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:14,404
one, one, five. Hello counsel. I love to hear that

1457
01:45:14,425 --> 01:45:17,764
the community is against data centers and we want to

1458
01:45:17,865 --> 01:45:22,244
keep our green spaces green in our wild spaces wild.

1459
01:45:22,244 --> 01:45:24,644
But I don't believe that the conversation about data center

1460
01:45:24,745 --> 01:45:27,444
starts with the typical buildings that consume more water and

1461
01:45:27,484 --> 01:45:30,404
energy than the communities they sit in. The conversation starts

1462
01:45:30,444 --> 01:45:33,924
with acknowledging and educating ourselves about the AI systems that

1463
01:45:33,945 --> 01:45:36,804
are already in place in our communities. A relevant example

1464
01:45:37,145 --> 01:45:39,684
our flock cameras. Slocke is a company that I've spoke

1465
01:45:39,684 --> 01:45:42,644
about plenty of times before and they use AI technology

1466
01:45:42,825 --> 01:45:46,004
to recognize color makes and models of vehicles along with

1467
01:45:46,105 --> 01:45:49,604
identifying characteristics of not only cars, but people. They have

1468
01:45:49,604 --> 01:45:53,324
been misused by RCSD in recent months and misused by

1469
01:45:53,324 --> 01:45:56,404
many more. AI is not a reliable tool when it

1470
01:45:56,404 --> 01:45:59,524
comes to solving crimes. It's an expensive shortcut that makes

1471
01:45:59,785 --> 01:46:03,124
more mistakes than none. The conversation about banning data center

1472
01:46:03,225 --> 01:46:06,964
starts by banning AI surveillance technology. The same technology that

1473
01:46:07,385 --> 01:46:10,644
Merri Cabrera allowed to infiltrate our streets, the same technology

1474
01:46:10,684 --> 01:46:13,604
that he refuses to acknowledge even as public out car

1475
01:46:13,644 --> 01:46:16,564
it grows. And even as our neighboring communities of Coachella

1476
01:46:16,604 --> 01:46:19,644
Valley and Lake Elsiednor fight off data center proposals. Of

1477
01:46:19,644 --> 01:46:23,364
course the community wants none other to ban data centers.

1478
01:46:23,364 --> 01:46:25,764
We love the natural spaces that surround us and we

1479
01:46:25,764 --> 01:46:28,244
want to protect the health of our lands and our

1480
01:46:28,284 --> 01:46:30,724
bodies. And of course we should all be educated on

1481
01:46:30,724 --> 01:46:33,444
these issues. But what good does this do if you

1482
01:46:33,465 --> 01:46:36,964
won't cancel Moreno Valley's contract with flock AI? What good

1483
01:46:37,065 --> 01:46:41,124
does this do if you will not denounce AI altogether?

1484
01:46:41,164 --> 01:46:43,844
What good does this do if Mirna Valley tax dollars

1485
01:46:43,884 --> 01:46:46,404
are still funding a company that contributes to the problem

1486
01:46:46,745 --> 01:46:49,524
in other city or county will eventually have. But this

1487
01:46:49,705 --> 01:46:52,244
study session does look good on tabloids and it does

1488
01:46:52,284 --> 01:46:55,364
look great for photo ops. And hey, it is campaign

1489
01:46:55,545 --> 01:46:58,564
season after all. I want you to know that all

1490
01:46:58,604 --> 01:47:01,844
of this is disingenuous if you are not addressing every

1491
01:47:01,865 --> 01:47:04,804
corner of the problem, but only addressing the trending parts

1492
01:47:04,844 --> 01:47:08,084
of it. What better way can we spend 2. 86

1493
01:47:08,185 --> 01:47:11,124
billion tax dollars to prevent crime and make our city

1494
01:47:11,164 --> 01:47:13,924
safer and more enjoyable? How much more money can get

1495
01:47:14,105 --> 01:47:19,364
funneled back into the citizens'lives rather than your lawsuit, Cabrera,

1496
01:47:19,364 --> 01:47:22,404
Mo Val citizens deserve more than your photo ops and

1497
01:47:22,444 --> 01:47:25,364
Dutch bros. We deserve transparency. We would deserve to be

1498
01:47:25,385 --> 01:47:32,324
listened to. We deserve better roads, green spaces, clean streets.

1499
01:47:32,324 --> 01:47:34,564
And we deserve our tax dollars to go towards our

1500
01:47:34,825 --> 01:47:37,844
children and our future. We do not deserve to be

1501
01:47:37,865 --> 01:47:40,564
surveillanced. So go ahead and ban data centers and get

1502
01:47:40,604 --> 01:47:43,044
your pictures. But remember that this is not the beginning

1503
01:47:43,225 --> 01:47:51,010
or the end of the conversation. Thank you. The next

1504
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:54,610
three speakers are Luis Palomares followed by collar by the

1505
01:47:54,650 --> 01:47:59,862
last four of five 115 followed by Andrea Delgado. We

1506
01:47:59,883 --> 01:48:02,742
call them ours community activists. Wow. Action pack meeting today.

1507
01:48:02,742 --> 01:48:05,302
I'm glad you're here today. Showed up Cabrera. Maybe this

1508
01:48:05,342 --> 01:48:06,982
might be a feather in your hat because I'm pretty

1509
01:48:07,003 --> 01:48:09,142
sure you're going to say no we don't want them.

1510
01:48:10,049 --> 01:48:12,668
You know, let's take it to another meeting. Let's do

1511
01:48:12,769 --> 01:48:15,588
this. Let's do that. You know, it's campaign season. So

1512
01:48:15,588 --> 01:48:18,828
that we're looking good on your campaign. Like the Northgate

1513
01:48:18,849 --> 01:48:21,708
goodie over there. It's not even at the planning or

1514
01:48:21,748 --> 01:48:24,348
even at the console and you're already taking photo ops.

1515
01:48:25,015 --> 01:48:29,154
For your agenda. Really, really, really. Okay. Saying all that,

1516
01:48:29,154 --> 01:48:31,794
you know, data, mega data centers. That's how we need

1517
01:48:31,834 --> 01:48:34,674
here. Right. We already have enough going on. We got

1518
01:48:34,674 --> 01:48:36,914
the meridian, all the buildings over there. We got some

1519
01:48:36,954 --> 01:48:40,734
buildings over here on the AS10. Now data centers, you

1520
01:48:40,734 --> 01:48:43,874
shouldn't even be entertaining the thought. I know you set

1521
01:48:43,874 --> 01:48:45,874
the, you wanted to do a study session so you

1522
01:48:45,874 --> 01:48:48,114
can see how it all plays out here. You know,

1523
01:48:48,215 --> 01:48:52,354
whoever don't live here don't have no business making decisions

1524
01:48:52,455 --> 01:48:55,394
about us. We the people, for the people, by the

1525
01:48:55,434 --> 01:48:58,182
people. You know, so many people don't even live here.

1526
01:48:58,182 --> 01:49:00,182
You get in your cars and you drive home every,

1527
01:49:00,222 --> 01:49:02,742
every direction. But you don't stay here and you don't

1528
01:49:02,782 --> 01:49:06,962
live here. So, you know, this data centers, AI, how

1529
01:49:06,962 --> 01:49:09,870
many jobs it's going to bring. I mean, it's hard

1530
01:49:09,891 --> 01:49:12,584
to even find a damn job now. I mean, I

1531
01:49:12,584 --> 01:49:15,604
mean, come on. We're in a mess right now. And

1532
01:49:15,604 --> 01:49:17,864
this is going to take more of our jobs and

1533
01:49:17,904 --> 01:49:20,104
make things more easy and fire some of the people

1534
01:49:20,445 --> 01:49:22,904
even here. Cause we're not going to need you. We'll

1535
01:49:22,925 --> 01:49:27,224
have data centers. We have AI. Really, really, right? And

1536
01:49:27,245 --> 01:49:29,704
if the fire, what the hell's going to happen? Remember

1537
01:49:29,805 --> 01:49:32,904
what happened over there in LA? The food that burned

1538
01:49:33,005 --> 01:49:35,224
and it was rats and everything was coming out of

1539
01:49:35,264 --> 01:49:37,784
that building. It smelled like how and those people are

1540
01:49:37,805 --> 01:49:40,024
still putting up with that drama. What if we have

1541
01:49:40,064 --> 01:49:44,024
a mega data center somewhere close? What the hell's that

1542
01:49:44,064 --> 01:49:46,564
going to do if it starts on fire batteries, all

1543
01:49:46,564 --> 01:49:50,644
kinds of nonsense. That's a danger to our environment. You

1544
01:49:50,644 --> 01:49:54,324
know, two million dollars. Wow. Two million dollars. You know,

1545
01:49:54,324 --> 01:49:56,104
how much could we do with that Cabrera? The two

1546
01:49:56,104 --> 01:49:58,864
million dollars you cost us and a previous lawsuit. We

1547
01:49:58,864 --> 01:50:01,812
don't want data centers here. You know, it's all about

1548
01:50:02,393 --> 01:50:04,692
corporate wealth. How are we going to bring a fit

1549
01:50:04,732 --> 01:50:06,372
by it? That's what I want. How are we going

1550
01:50:06,372 --> 01:50:09,332
to benefit her? It's for corporate wealth for the greedy.

1551
01:50:09,332 --> 01:50:11,252
They take from, they need to give to the greedy.

1552
01:50:11,252 --> 01:50:12,612
They're going to take our water. They're going to take

1553
01:50:12,612 --> 01:50:16,132
our nutrity. Really, really. We don't need them. We don't

1554
01:50:16,132 --> 01:50:18,812
want them. So, you know, they can go jump in

1555
01:50:18,812 --> 01:50:22,252
the lake for all I care because this is, this

1556
01:50:22,353 --> 01:50:24,812
is out of the question here. This is either the

1557
01:50:24,993 --> 01:50:28,782
question. So I hope all of you's man up. Especially

1558
01:50:29,283 --> 01:50:32,782
you, Gonzalez. Man up and vote the right way for

1559
01:50:32,782 --> 01:50:35,502
the people. Not for what you want or not what

1560
01:50:35,523 --> 01:50:37,822
your mayor cabrera wants. You're not with your boy Cabrera

1561
01:50:37,862 --> 01:50:40,920
wants. What you want. You know, and maybe you might

1562
01:50:40,941 --> 01:50:45,320
vote no against it. Well, it's a good campaign ploy.

1563
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:47,320
So Hey, I think so. I think I'll go that

1564
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,520
way. But no, send them packing. We don't need it

1565
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:54,280
here. They put a moratorium Paris little Paris all kinds

1566
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,760
of other communities. They're saying hell no, we don't want

1567
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:01,709
to hear. Don't even bring it. Thank you. That's three

1568
01:51:01,749 --> 01:51:05,629
speakers are collar with the last four numbers of five

1569
01:51:05,810 --> 01:51:10,029
one one five followed by another collar name of Andred

1570
01:51:10,130 --> 01:51:12,669
Delgado and then followed by another caller with the last

1571
01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:18,589
four five zero seven four. So will the speaker in

1572
01:51:18,589 --> 01:51:22,029
the queue with the last four numbers of five one,

1573
01:51:22,029 --> 01:51:27,261
one, five. Go ahead and speak. This is Jacob once

1574
01:51:27,301 --> 01:51:30,701
again. And I want to keep the short and free

1575
01:51:30,722 --> 01:51:33,492
so that I'm not being repetitive. This meeting has been

1576
01:51:33,993 --> 01:51:37,812
very, very unanimous aside from one individual who's uneducated on

1577
01:51:37,852 --> 01:51:41,526
them. On the idea that we need a ban on

1578
01:51:41,566 --> 01:51:45,286
these immediately, this is not an idea of cost benefit

1579
01:51:45,787 --> 01:51:48,166
where we have to weigh the differences because there's no

1580
01:51:48,187 --> 01:51:51,846
substantial benefit and there are endless, as have been documented

1581
01:51:51,867 --> 01:51:56,086
throughout this meeting. And this case is of risks and

1582
01:51:56,187 --> 01:52:00,886
harm. And people, um, getting asthma, having worsening of their

1583
01:52:00,886 --> 01:52:04,974
asthma, the endless humming that is dangerous. To unbelievably dangerous

1584
01:52:05,475 --> 01:52:08,234
wildlife. Very dangerous to the people as well. It's causing

1585
01:52:08,495 --> 01:52:12,694
a multitude of health issues within individuals. The horrible, uh,

1586
01:52:12,735 --> 01:52:16,554
drinking water conditions, the water that's being dumped. There's just

1587
01:52:16,594 --> 01:52:19,514
been a multitude of risks that have been attributed to

1588
01:52:19,514 --> 01:52:22,314
this. And this meeting has demonstrated that. So I don't

1589
01:52:22,314 --> 01:52:24,474
believe that this is a risk benefit thing that needs

1590
01:52:24,495 --> 01:52:28,314
to be weighed. Um, we definitely don't need data centers

1591
01:52:28,354 --> 01:52:31,297
as the one speaker set. He himself said that he

1592
01:52:31,318 --> 01:52:34,657
is not educated fully on the youth and has made

1593
01:52:34,918 --> 01:52:38,017
former false claims about AI such as flat cameras solving

1594
01:52:38,038 --> 01:52:40,497
a murder case here. That was false. I looked into

1595
01:52:40,497 --> 01:52:43,379
it. And I would just urge a counsel that you

1596
01:52:43,419 --> 01:52:45,939
make this decision today. Don't try to pass this off.

1597
01:52:46,787 --> 01:52:49,416
Or look more into it. You represent us. And we

1598
01:52:49,416 --> 01:52:51,336
have made it very clear with our stances. Thank you.

1599
01:52:54,363 --> 01:52:57,382
The next three speakers are on Drail Delgado who's joining

1600
01:52:57,483 --> 01:53:01,702
via Zoom followed by the last four numbers ending in

1601
01:53:01,742 --> 01:53:05,382
5074 and then followed by Jason Revellis. So go ahead,

1602
01:53:05,382 --> 01:53:09,812
Andrea. Hi everyone. My name is Andreda Delgado. I'm coming

1603
01:53:09,812 --> 01:53:12,292
into the space as a resident of district three in

1604
01:53:12,292 --> 01:53:15,412
myrnovalley for over 16 years. This is my first public

1605
01:53:15,433 --> 01:53:17,572
comment to city council. So I hope that does say

1606
01:53:17,612 --> 01:53:20,452
a lot similar to the previous speakers. This does feel

1607
01:53:20,953 --> 01:53:24,372
also deeply personal for me. Um, it's data center proposals

1608
01:53:24,393 --> 01:53:27,092
do come to the city. I demand that the city

1609
01:53:27,113 --> 01:53:29,732
council do not prioritize profit over the well - being

1610
01:53:29,732 --> 01:53:33,012
of its constituents. The obvious reality is that we're in

1611
01:53:33,012 --> 01:53:36,172
a climate crisis. California is in a water crisis. So

1612
01:53:36,172 --> 01:53:40,271
this topic feels very backwards. Data centers have clear negative

1613
01:53:40,311 --> 01:53:42,831
impacts on public health and that of the environment to

1614
01:53:42,932 --> 01:53:46,191
reemphasize a few any welcoming of data centers would drain

1615
01:53:46,532 --> 01:53:50,191
are already strained water resources, contribute to the heat island

1616
01:53:50,231 --> 01:53:53,231
effect and put a strain on our already vulnerable power

1617
01:53:53,271 --> 01:53:57,196
grid. Contributing to carbon emissions and wildfire risk in doing

1618
01:53:57,196 --> 01:54:00,876
so. The fossil fuel backup generators commonly powered by diesel

1619
01:54:01,057 --> 01:54:04,236
that are used in modern data centers would also exacerbate

1620
01:54:04,497 --> 01:54:07,516
our already poor air quality. Day of centers also contribute

1621
01:54:07,556 --> 01:54:11,211
to extreme noise and light pollution. That would impact local

1622
01:54:11,312 --> 01:54:14,811
communities and negatively impact the local wildlife that we have

1623
01:54:14,912 --> 01:54:18,587
left. Many data center projects are shown to be commonly

1624
01:54:18,608 --> 01:54:22,987
cited in underinvested marginalized areas similar to the warehousing industry

1625
01:54:23,027 --> 01:54:29,859
inland empire that would only be exacerbated. Um, by, oh,

1626
01:54:29,859 --> 01:54:32,419
sorry. That would only exacerbate the environments and justices were

1627
01:54:32,419 --> 01:54:35,219
already facing. So I'd really recommend looking at this issue

1628
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:38,499
from an equity lens who is primarily using and benefiting

1629
01:54:38,539 --> 01:54:41,379
from AI and what neighborhoods in our community would be

1630
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,939
subject to the impacts from a data center entering our

1631
01:54:43,979 --> 01:54:47,539
city. While data setters are proven to bring some economic

1632
01:54:47,539 --> 01:54:51,299
benefits, they really have serious local costs. So I do

1633
01:54:51,339 --> 01:54:54,179
want to reemphasize a key point set earlier, um, that

1634
01:54:54,179 --> 01:54:56,739
AI is threatening the jobs are city prides itself and

1635
01:54:56,739 --> 01:55:00,099
providing that being warehouse jobs. So for me, the benefits

1636
01:55:00,139 --> 01:55:02,339
do not weigh heavier than the trade - offs of

1637
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,324
a residence quality of life. I'd recommend that the city

1638
01:55:05,345 --> 01:55:08,044
prohibit data centers from being able to enter our neighborhoods

1639
01:55:08,865 --> 01:55:11,644
and actually request that the city should condone any use

1640
01:55:11,644 --> 01:55:15,004
of AI, including AI surveillance technology for very obvious reasons

1641
01:55:15,345 --> 01:55:18,444
and those that folks have already stated previously. So thank

1642
01:55:18,444 --> 01:55:23,573
you so much for your time. The next three speakers

1643
01:55:23,613 --> 01:55:26,745
are a collar on the line. With the last four

1644
01:55:26,745 --> 01:55:31,334
numbers ending M5074. Followed by Jason Ravellis, followed by It

1645
01:55:31,355 --> 01:55:36,378
Solana Garibaldi. So go ahead, call her. Anding in 5074.

1646
01:55:38,392 --> 01:55:41,091
Hello council. My name is Camilla Fowler and I've lived

1647
01:55:41,112 --> 01:55:43,811
in Reno Valley for about 12 years. This is also

1648
01:55:43,912 --> 01:55:47,131
my first public comment at a city council meeting. We

1649
01:55:47,192 --> 01:55:51,475
do not need data centers. Our community deserves development that

1650
01:55:51,576 --> 01:55:54,035
is compatible with the health, safety and quality of life

1651
01:55:54,536 --> 01:55:58,565
of its residence. Economic development should not come at the

1652
01:55:58,605 --> 01:56:03,685
expense of clean air, water resources, open space wildlife habitat

1653
01:56:03,946 --> 01:56:08,742
and peaceful neighborhood. I'm therefore asking the marina valley CZ

1654
01:56:08,782 --> 01:56:11,142
Council to listen to the residents who will be directly

1655
01:56:11,403 --> 01:56:15,142
affected by this project and to oppose approval of the

1656
01:56:15,182 --> 01:56:20,161
proposed data center. Thank you. The next three speakers are

1657
01:56:20,182 --> 01:56:24,401
Jason Rivalis followed by Itsalana Garibaldi followed by Mr. Roy

1658
01:56:24,441 --> 01:56:34,117
Blecker. Hello. My name is Jason

1659
01:56:34,538 --> 01:56:36,677
and uh, my first question would be, I would want

1660
01:56:36,717 --> 01:56:39,637
to know who on the board here supports the data

1661
01:56:39,677 --> 01:56:42,851
centers. Um as well I wanted to speak on the

1662
01:56:42,851 --> 01:56:45,091
behalf of Marni Valley citizens to say that the community

1663
01:56:45,272 --> 01:56:48,486
does not want or need data centers. Um, I would

1664
01:56:48,486 --> 01:56:50,326
like to put it in simple terms for people that

1665
01:56:50,427 --> 01:56:53,446
are coming to the meeting and are not familiar with

1666
01:56:53,707 --> 01:56:57,686
data centers. Data centers are buildings that house computerized systems

1667
01:56:57,787 --> 01:57:00,886
that generate heat. As computer systems need a method of

1668
01:57:00,987 --> 01:57:04,566
cooling wood would be required to expend a large amount

1669
01:57:04,587 --> 01:57:09,206
of water. An average, an average data center weighs 300,

1670
01:57:09,307 --> 01:57:12,386
000 to 500, 000 gallons of water per day. But

1671
01:57:12,427 --> 01:57:17,366
large scale facilities would consume two. One to five million

1672
01:57:17,467 --> 01:57:21,247
gallons of water per day. We live in California and

1673
01:57:21,247 --> 01:57:23,247
I think that's really like no offense for like that's

1674
01:57:23,247 --> 01:57:28,527
really fucking dumb. Like, um, we live in California. We're

1675
01:57:29,028 --> 01:57:31,327
prone to droughts. How is this even a question right

1676
01:57:31,327 --> 01:57:36,357
now. And our moron of valley citizens do not need

1677
01:57:36,397 --> 01:57:39,317
our water supply being utilized to cool any skill size

1678
01:57:39,338 --> 01:57:44,437
data center. Data centers also indirectly create acid rain due

1679
01:57:44,538 --> 01:57:48,117
to onsite power generation many data centers rely on natural

1680
01:57:48,157 --> 01:57:52,197
gases or burning fossil fuels. As false fuse are burned,

1681
01:57:52,197 --> 01:57:57,677
the combustion's released sulfur dioxide and nitrogen nitrogen oxide. As

1682
01:57:57,677 --> 01:58:00,277
these chemicals are released into the atmosphere, it becomes a

1683
01:58:00,378 --> 01:58:04,357
precursor that causes acid ring. This pollution would be detrimental

1684
01:58:04,357 --> 01:58:06,917
to our community as it would contaminate our water, air

1685
01:58:07,258 --> 01:58:10,117
and create noise pollution from the systems being used on

1686
01:58:10,218 --> 01:58:12,437
site, which may be heard from half a mile to

1687
01:58:12,538 --> 01:58:16,597
a mile, emitting a constant humming noise. The effects of

1688
01:58:16,597 --> 01:58:19,957
the constant frequency to humans and animals are hearing loss,

1689
01:58:19,957 --> 01:58:23,877
stress, and insomnia. So to conclude data centers would contaminate

1690
01:58:23,917 --> 01:58:28,282
water, pollute our atmosphere. And emit noise and light pollution

1691
01:58:28,322 --> 01:58:32,522
to residents who may reside within close proximity. I'd also

1692
01:58:32,562 --> 01:58:34,442
like to say that I would really appreciate for the

1693
01:58:34,482 --> 01:58:37,322
people that are on the board to make eye contact

1694
01:58:37,343 --> 01:58:41,081
with the people that are here. Because the screens are

1695
01:58:41,121 --> 01:58:44,662
for the people that are watching online, right? We're here.

1696
01:58:44,662 --> 01:58:46,982
We're in person. We're in here to have this conversation.

1697
01:58:46,982 --> 01:58:48,822
And when we're having a conversation, we're here to make

1698
01:58:48,923 --> 01:58:52,182
eye contact and look at each other. Right. And you,

1699
01:58:52,182 --> 01:58:54,742
the one in the middle, I don't know your name,

1700
01:58:54,742 --> 01:58:57,952
but when people are making comments about you, right? You

1701
01:58:57,952 --> 01:59:02,137
shouldn't be smiling. You really shouldn't. What's it called? We

1702
01:59:02,137 --> 01:59:04,340
could laugh because it's true. This is what we live

1703
01:59:04,340 --> 01:59:06,740
through. This is what you're doing to us. But I

1704
01:59:06,740 --> 01:59:11,547
don't know why you smiling. And yeah, that's it. Thank

1705
01:59:11,587 --> 01:59:21,554
you. The next two speakers are Itsalana, Garibaldi,

1706
01:59:21,554 --> 01:59:30,734
followed by Roy Blackard. Hello. Um, my name is

1707
01:59:30,835 --> 01:59:34,654
Itsyana, the double L makes a Y noise. And my

1708
01:59:34,694 --> 01:59:37,934
comments are mainly concerning the health of our community and

1709
01:59:37,974 --> 01:59:39,774
the harm that can be caused by the noise pollution

1710
01:59:39,795 --> 01:59:42,734
produced by data centers. Um, I had to check my

1711
01:59:42,734 --> 01:59:44,894
numbers very quickly. So please excuse me if they are

1712
01:59:45,155 --> 01:59:47,774
exact, but I've been reading that a deny setter could

1713
01:59:47,875 --> 01:59:51,374
produce between 45 to 96 decibels of noise. If you

1714
01:59:51,374 --> 01:59:55,054
go down to any pharmacy, I've seen, um, that most,

1715
01:59:55,054 --> 01:59:58,174
the best of the earplugs there, um, only protect around

1716
01:59:58,174 --> 02:00:01,694
like 32 decibels of noise. We can't expect our neighbors

1717
02:00:01,694 --> 02:00:05,374
to keep earbuds in all the time. Um, prolonged exposure

1718
02:00:05,414 --> 02:00:09,614
to these levels of pollution. Most obviously will cause tinitus.

1719
02:00:09,614 --> 02:00:11,694
When the exposure isn't constant, the cinitis will go away

1720
02:00:11,734 --> 02:00:15,134
with time. But with the construction of a data center,

1721
02:00:15,174 --> 02:00:18,014
those levels wouldn't be going away anytime soon. This leads

1722
02:00:18,115 --> 02:00:20,574
to permanent hearing damage within two of the people within

1723
02:00:20,614 --> 02:00:24,574
our community. Um, while this issue affects everyone within our

1724
02:00:24,574 --> 02:00:29,054
community, I especially concerned about the health of our kids.

1725
02:00:29,054 --> 02:00:31,294
Um, I will always breach that the, I will always

1726
02:00:31,294 --> 02:00:33,834
preach the idea that the children of our, that the

1727
02:00:33,834 --> 02:00:36,574
children are our future. Excuse me. Um, it's been said

1728
02:00:36,574 --> 02:00:38,814
over and over again because it's the truth. And when

1729
02:00:38,814 --> 02:00:42,094
we foster an environment that disables them when they're young,

1730
02:00:42,094 --> 02:00:44,494
we are setting the future of our community up for

1731
02:00:44,534 --> 02:00:51,412
failure. And that's it. Final speaker is Roy Blacker.

1732
02:01:02,179 --> 02:01:06,913
I'll tell you how this is going to go. It's

1733
02:01:06,953 --> 02:01:11,073
going to go how you list this surveillance state, Cabrera

1734
02:01:11,094 --> 02:01:16,551
says it's going to go. You little history. Nine years

1735
02:01:16,551 --> 02:01:20,951
ago, 2017. What was it? 200 grand from Highland Fairview

1736
02:01:20,972 --> 02:01:25,742
put them in that seat that he's got today. Let's

1737
02:01:25,782 --> 02:01:29,882
go back to 2021 in the October surprise. Were the

1738
02:01:29,882 --> 02:01:31,902
city attorney and the city clerk told him you cannot

1739
02:01:32,163 --> 02:01:35,502
appoint Ladon or Jebson. He said, you know what? Screw

1740
02:01:35,502 --> 02:01:37,982
you the people, the law and everything else. I'm doing

1741
02:01:38,022 --> 02:01:44,141
it. Let's go to 2023. You don't think Ulysses surveillance

1742
02:01:44,242 --> 02:01:48,541
state Cabrera. Oh, we got a perfectly good camera system

1743
02:01:49,122 --> 02:01:53,083
that we paid for. In 2010. No, we got to

1744
02:01:53,083 --> 02:02:00,289
spend three million dollars more and who benefited. Personally. Ulysses

1745
02:02:00,310 --> 02:02:08,454
surveillance state Cabrera. You can look at this stuff each

1746
02:02:08,555 --> 02:02:16,929
and every day. And again, past history best indication of

1747
02:02:17,110 --> 02:02:22,049
future behavior. Doesn't matter what it is or who it

1748
02:02:22,049 --> 02:02:27,078
is, look at the history. When it benefits me, that's

1749
02:02:27,078 --> 02:02:30,838
where I'm going. So he may tell you today, Oh,

1750
02:02:30,838 --> 02:02:35,573
I'm against data centers. But what's going to happen tomorrow.

1751
02:02:37,261 --> 02:02:45,339
Let's look at the record. I can tell you just

1752
02:02:45,379 --> 02:02:52,131
from the broken promises nine years ago. Nine years ago.

1753
02:02:53,063 --> 02:02:57,042
Said, Hey, first got elected. Come on in studio. So

1754
02:02:57,042 --> 02:02:59,602
have a discussion. Tell the people. Give you the opportunity.

1755
02:02:59,602 --> 02:03:02,642
Oh yeah, I'm going to do it nine years later.

1756
02:03:02,642 --> 02:03:08,609
Never. Ducked it. Well, not. He will not address the

1757
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:16,344
people when he doesn't have control of the microphone. What

1758
02:03:16,525 --> 02:03:22,275
do you think he's doing to you. You look at

1759
02:03:22,275 --> 02:03:24,995
this. I couldn't talk to the crime syndicate. You've heard

1760
02:03:24,995 --> 02:03:28,698
the people you heard Fred and the others. Oh, you

1761
02:03:28,698 --> 02:03:34,770
run this. Look, Elena practically had to stand on her

1762
02:03:34,770 --> 02:03:38,075
head because she. Endured the torture like the rest of

1763
02:03:38,075 --> 02:03:42,075
us. You three meetings going on today. We can't speak.

1764
02:03:42,075 --> 02:03:45,195
I couldn't speak down there because you're scheduling meetings at

1765
02:03:45,235 --> 02:03:51,349
the same time. This is, this is the marina valley.

1766
02:03:53,162 --> 02:03:55,612
Is brought to you. And if you don't get rid

1767
02:03:55,652 --> 02:03:59,052
of it, it's a marina valley. You will see in

1768
02:03:59,052 --> 02:04:02,572
the future. Marina Valley, it's your choice. Get off the

1769
02:04:02,612 --> 02:04:08,405
stick and get it done. The next two speakers are

1770
02:04:10,106 --> 02:04:12,948
Zoom speakers. The first one is going to be Joshua

1771
02:04:12,969 --> 02:04:18,820
Wilson followed by Camille. Go ahead Joshua. Hello. Can you

1772
02:04:18,820 --> 02:04:23,519
hear me? Yes. We can hear you, sir. Okay. So

1773
02:04:23,620 --> 02:04:27,519
I just, um, thank you for allowing me to speak,

1774
02:04:27,519 --> 02:04:28,639
but I just wanted to say I don't even know

1775
02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:32,399
why this is even being entertained just because we've seen

1776
02:04:32,439 --> 02:04:35,989
what these data centers has done. I mean, you yourself,

1777
02:04:35,989 --> 02:04:37,749
you lit sees your, you're, you know, you got screwed

1778
02:04:37,749 --> 02:04:41,167
up by yourself. With the flat cameras and allowing them

1779
02:04:41,207 --> 02:04:43,247
to come in with the city. So I don't even

1780
02:04:43,287 --> 02:04:46,047
know even after your own experiences while we even entertain

1781
02:04:46,708 --> 02:04:51,567
having this company that we know, but bad things for

1782
02:04:51,668 --> 02:04:55,866
our community. Like we see, I had like, okay, on

1783
02:04:55,906 --> 02:04:58,746
my street alone on the corner, I live off of

1784
02:04:58,847 --> 02:05:02,986
JFK and real beach. I have three fly cameras on

1785
02:05:03,327 --> 02:05:07,728
the intersection alone. Like I'm being surveilled every time I

1786
02:05:07,829 --> 02:05:11,579
can leave my house. And not only that, you're going

1787
02:05:11,579 --> 02:05:15,099
to, we, we've all seen the environmental impact. When we've

1788
02:05:15,099 --> 02:05:18,699
seen environment impact dues to all these warehouses, a bunch

1789
02:05:18,739 --> 02:05:21,339
of warehouses where I live. And this will all be

1790
02:05:21,379 --> 02:05:24,721
add to it. Like my, my fiance now currently expecting.

1791
02:05:26,019 --> 02:05:28,798
I do not want to bring a child into this

1792
02:05:28,798 --> 02:05:34,579
area. We're currently looking for places to buy. Another house.

1793
02:05:34,579 --> 02:05:36,499
And we've seen a lot of housing renovaling. We love

1794
02:05:36,499 --> 02:05:38,899
our area. We love our area. We love where we

1795
02:05:38,899 --> 02:05:41,666
live. We live in here now for five years. And

1796
02:05:41,687 --> 02:05:42,866
so we love to do that. We want to stand

1797
02:05:42,887 --> 02:05:46,466
this area. But if you build a AI data center

1798
02:05:46,487 --> 02:05:49,303
here and we're leaving. And a lot of other people

1799
02:05:49,324 --> 02:05:51,703
are going to leave. You're trying to expand the city

1800
02:05:51,964 --> 02:05:53,863
at the same time with all these projects and all

1801
02:05:53,903 --> 02:05:56,457
the different builds. And it's great. But this would be

1802
02:05:56,497 --> 02:05:59,417
nothing but a black eye. This will not help the

1803
02:05:59,457 --> 02:06:01,657
city. This would do nothing. But this do nothing but

1804
02:06:01,678 --> 02:06:05,087
damage to it. Like we recently had these fires a

1805
02:06:05,087 --> 02:06:07,647
few, uh, a few months ago. No, we were scared.

1806
02:06:07,647 --> 02:06:10,667
And we've seen how with these AI data companies, how

1807
02:06:10,868 --> 02:06:13,567
they redirect water. So what, what happens if we have

1808
02:06:13,607 --> 02:06:17,807
another kind of breast fire. And we're not allowed enough

1809
02:06:17,828 --> 02:06:21,898
water to get to another fire. This does nothing but

1810
02:06:21,938 --> 02:06:26,373
horn. And so I hope that you guys are listening

1811
02:06:26,413 --> 02:06:29,314
to your constituents. Cause I promise you if this goes

1812
02:06:29,354 --> 02:06:33,874
through, we're already upset about all the warehouses. Rory said

1813
02:06:33,914 --> 02:06:37,660
about auto car washes. We're all is said by everything

1814
02:06:37,681 --> 02:06:39,967
that's going on. So if you want to keep the

1815
02:06:40,007 --> 02:06:43,407
progress that you guys have made with the city, then

1816
02:06:43,407 --> 02:06:46,287
we, I urge you to not even entertain whatever kind

1817
02:06:46,287 --> 02:06:49,487
of kickback you may be getting or whatever may be

1818
02:06:49,508 --> 02:06:51,887
going on behind the scenes that seems that we're not

1819
02:06:51,988 --> 02:06:55,956
aware of. I promise you it's not worth it. I

1820
02:06:55,996 --> 02:06:58,436
promise you it's not worth your elected to do what's

1821
02:06:58,476 --> 02:07:00,196
best for constituents. So please go ahead and do that.

1822
02:07:00,543 --> 02:07:04,774
Thank you very much for your, on your time. The

1823
02:07:04,774 --> 02:07:10,923
next speaker is Camille Gobiyan. Go ahead, Camille. Unmute yourself

1824
02:07:11,104 --> 02:07:18,768
by pressing star six. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes,

1825
02:07:18,768 --> 02:07:22,040
we can. All right. Perfect. Um, I'm going to try

1826
02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:25,000
to keep this as short as I can. Um, I've

1827
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:27,840
been a Moreno Valley resident for my entire life. I

1828
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:31,240
also, um, started an intern position here at the city

1829
02:07:31,261 --> 02:07:35,160
Mary No Valley. And honestly, I'm really ashamed that this

1830
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:37,400
is, you know, a conversation that we do need to

1831
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:42,680
be having. Um, I have been, you know, for a

1832
02:07:43,741 --> 02:07:46,680
dinner, just anywhere in the world. I just don't think

1833
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:53,032
they need exist at all anyone. And the idea of,

1834
02:07:53,133 --> 02:07:57,592
of creating one here, even, you know, through, um, this

1835
02:07:57,693 --> 02:08:01,412
sort of meeting that is supposed to look like, you

1836
02:08:01,412 --> 02:08:06,232
know, democracy, I feel like is, it's, it's really just,

1837
02:08:06,272 --> 02:08:08,472
it's, it's, it's not right. And I think you truly

1838
02:08:08,493 --> 02:08:12,792
just need to listen to your constituents. Um, and it's,

1839
02:08:12,792 --> 02:08:15,512
you know, it's not just the people sitting in the

1840
02:08:15,552 --> 02:08:17,912
crowd, which thank you for all your words. And thank

1841
02:08:17,912 --> 02:08:21,832
you for your passion. Um, and dedication against this cause,

1842
02:08:21,832 --> 02:08:26,632
um, but it's coming from internally as well. Um, and

1843
02:08:26,893 --> 02:08:30,552
I implore any other, you know, employees of the city

1844
02:08:31,533 --> 02:08:34,152
to, you know, speak up if this is an issue

1845
02:08:34,893 --> 02:08:37,339
that bothers you. And it should bother you. Because you

1846
02:08:37,339 --> 02:08:39,299
are supposed to be serving the public. You're supposed to

1847
02:08:39,299 --> 02:08:42,686
be serving the city. And what is the city going

1848
02:08:42,686 --> 02:08:46,627
to be when it's destroyed. When the environment is, is

1849
02:08:46,667 --> 02:08:50,564
being drained. The, the motto of the city is where

1850
02:08:50,745 --> 02:08:53,325
dream sore. How are those dreams supposed to soar. If

1851
02:08:53,325 --> 02:08:56,685
we are proposing these data centers? We're already building so

1852
02:08:56,685 --> 02:09:01,411
many warehouses and so many unnecessary things. So please listen

1853
02:09:01,672 --> 02:09:11,604
to your constituents. People. Thank you. Mayor that concludes

1854
02:09:11,625 --> 02:09:16,692
all of public comments. Thank you, Madam Clerk. And thank

1855
02:09:16,692 --> 02:09:19,412
you to all of our public speakers as well to

1856
02:09:19,433 --> 02:09:22,909
everybody that came out this evening. At this time, we

1857
02:09:22,909 --> 02:09:24,309
will go ahead and bring it back up to the

1858
02:09:24,410 --> 02:09:29,349
dais for council discussion or any follow - up questions.

1859
02:09:29,349 --> 02:09:31,029
So we'll go ahead and open it up to the

1860
02:09:31,069 --> 02:09:35,429
rest of the council. Yeah, definitely. Oh, sorry. Okay. Let's,

1861
02:09:35,429 --> 02:09:37,829
uh, let's just make a list here. Nope. So we'll

1862
02:09:37,869 --> 02:09:40,149
go to district one first followed by a district four

1863
02:09:40,410 --> 02:09:43,909
followed by district two first thing I want to say

1864
02:09:43,909 --> 02:09:47,189
is definitely that, um, I don't know if everyone is

1865
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:48,549
here at the beginning of the meeting, but we did

1866
02:09:49,290 --> 02:09:52,229
discuss that the only reason we can have this conversation

1867
02:09:52,490 --> 02:09:55,789
is because they're currently is no data center coming. So

1868
02:09:56,010 --> 02:09:59,189
that's number one. We're not, it would be legal for

1869
02:09:59,229 --> 02:10:01,269
us to have this discussion if there was one in

1870
02:10:01,290 --> 02:10:04,069
the works or in planning. That's why we're having the

1871
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:08,587
discussion today. We hear you. It is a democracy. We

1872
02:10:08,587 --> 02:10:12,880
are here to represent you. I for sure, um, you

1873
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:16,000
know, in the same mindset. I don't think that we

1874
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:20,060
have the resources here, um, from what we've heard, but

1875
02:10:20,060 --> 02:10:22,640
we do need more information. So I think that what

1876
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:25,600
we should do is it's a study session as well.

1877
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:28,240
We don't take action tonight. We're just here to discuss.

1878
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:30,640
So I would like to direct staff to bring back

1879
02:10:31,061 --> 02:10:34,000
a moratorium for as long as we can, um, so

1880
02:10:34,021 --> 02:10:36,880
while the moratorium is in place, we can have more

1881
02:10:37,061 --> 02:10:43,040
discussion and study about banning this type of, um, uh,

1882
02:10:43,301 --> 02:10:46,320
company that you, us, the residents, all of us who

1883
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:48,560
do live here. Because we do live here. All of

1884
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:50,400
us up in this dais, uh, that was another comment

1885
02:10:50,821 --> 02:10:52,880
that, you know, we get on the 60 and drive

1886
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:54,640
away. We get on the 60 and go to work

1887
02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:56,960
every day like you. This isn't a full time job.

1888
02:10:57,000 --> 02:11:00,160
I come from work. I've worked eight hours this morning.

1889
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:04,720
And then come here. But we could have cut the

1890
02:11:04,741 --> 02:11:07,200
comments. You know, we're all in the same mind and

1891
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:09,040
said, you know, let's just hear 30 seconds or a

1892
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:10,720
minute, but we all came here to work and to

1893
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:14,400
listen to you. And everybody had a chance to either

1894
02:11:14,501 --> 02:11:17,740
call in, get on Zoom, come here in person. Um,

1895
02:11:18,101 --> 02:11:21,200
send us comments. We have comments that were emailed to

1896
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:23,920
us. We have those up here. So we sat and

1897
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:27,440
listened to everything. I certainly heard what you said and

1898
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,600
I see, you know, the writing on the wall and

1899
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:32,400
what my constituents want and what I think the direction

1900
02:11:32,440 --> 02:11:35,541
we need to do is. Staff to bring back a

1901
02:11:35,541 --> 02:11:38,821
moratorium so that we pause, have time to look at

1902
02:11:38,861 --> 02:11:42,901
it and consider the ban. But right now that's where

1903
02:11:43,002 --> 02:11:47,593
I'm thinking. That's where I'm at. Thank you. Next up

1904
02:11:47,593 --> 02:11:51,343
we'll go to council member Bernard. Um, first I want

1905
02:11:51,343 --> 02:11:53,983
to address something to, um, before I give my comments,

1906
02:11:53,983 --> 02:11:56,383
I want to redirect. There was, um, a comment that

1907
02:11:56,423 --> 02:12:02,623
was mentioned about, um, merino value utilities and the spot

1908
02:12:02,644 --> 02:12:05,743
load that was happening. Um, can I get city manager

1909
02:12:06,404 --> 02:12:12,177
to address that. Or Jason? Yeah, I'm sorry. Jason. Jason,

1910
02:12:12,177 --> 02:12:15,736
if you want, I'll take it. I don't mind. Okay.

1911
02:12:15,997 --> 02:12:19,336
Um, so the reason why the reason why that report

1912
02:12:19,517 --> 02:12:24,216
had, uh, conversations about spot load is, um, in the

1913
02:12:24,216 --> 02:12:29,096
industry, it's used, uh, a multitude of different reasons and

1914
02:12:29,096 --> 02:12:32,056
so forth, especially when you're looking at financing and so

1915
02:12:32,056 --> 02:12:36,216
forth infrastructure, uh, going forward. But, uh, spot load had

1916
02:12:36,256 --> 02:12:39,896
to do with, uh, a few things. Um, it had

1917
02:12:39,896 --> 02:12:42,936
to do with the mall redevelopment. It had to do

1918
02:12:43,037 --> 02:12:47,496
with Aquabella. It had to do with, uh, the other

1919
02:12:47,757 --> 02:12:51,416
logistic centers that have been approved and so forth. So,

1920
02:12:51,416 --> 02:12:58,696
um, even with the sketchers, um, expansion. Every time a

1921
02:12:58,736 --> 02:13:01,416
new building comes on, that's a spot load. Um, we

1922
02:13:01,437 --> 02:13:05,736
have to figure out how many, um, what's the load?

1923
02:13:05,736 --> 02:13:09,876
How many megawatts is needed. And so that's why, um,

1924
02:13:13,437 --> 02:13:17,816
uh, spot loads as that development came in. We know

1925
02:13:17,917 --> 02:13:21,176
what those specific plans are. We know, uh, what GP

1926
02:13:21,357 --> 02:13:25,816
2040 says, but we do not procure, uh, energy until

1927
02:13:25,837 --> 02:13:28,776
it's actually needed. And so that's what a spot load

1928
02:13:28,776 --> 02:13:32,536
is. Um, also, um, if you don't mind, since we're

1929
02:13:32,536 --> 02:13:36,456
talking about electricity, I think it was, um, that said

1930
02:13:36,637 --> 02:13:43,496
something about SEE and potentially could MVU build the utility

1931
02:13:43,536 --> 02:13:47,416
to a point where we could take over SE customers.

1932
02:13:47,416 --> 02:13:52,776
Um, that is not plausible. SEE would not give up

1933
02:13:52,877 --> 02:13:56,676
their customers. We'd have to buy the entire infrastructure. The

1934
02:13:56,676 --> 02:14:01,336
infrastructure is very old. Um, all of the, uh, infrastructure

1935
02:14:01,376 --> 02:14:06,376
for MVU is below grade or underground. Um, so as

1936
02:14:06,416 --> 02:14:11,256
we build out, um, all new development will be MVU

1937
02:14:11,277 --> 02:14:15,256
customers, but there is at this point no way that,

1938
02:14:15,256 --> 02:14:20,056
uh, the utility would, um, go forward and purchase SE

1939
02:14:20,637 --> 02:14:22,776
to get all of those customers because we would have

1940
02:14:23,037 --> 02:14:26,216
hundreds of millions of dollars of reinvestment to bring that

1941
02:14:26,637 --> 02:14:31,096
infrastructure up to par. Actually at utility commission this month,

1942
02:14:31,096 --> 02:14:34,936
the utility commissioners who are public, um, representatives who sit

1943
02:14:34,976 --> 02:14:37,896
on the utility commissions, they ask Jason just this month

1944
02:14:38,317 --> 02:14:41,976
to look at buying SCE customers because we do have

1945
02:14:42,016 --> 02:14:45,656
to pay so much for the infrastructure. But I mean,

1946
02:14:45,837 --> 02:14:48,456
MBU would like to take over all of the city.

1947
02:14:48,456 --> 02:14:50,616
They actually lowered the rates this year while we pay

1948
02:14:50,877 --> 02:14:55,016
higher rates this year. So we're actually looking into that.

1949
02:14:55,016 --> 02:14:58,036
But just as like how much would it cost? And

1950
02:14:58,036 --> 02:15:01,176
when we talked our commissioners asked Jason, you know, well,

1951
02:15:01,176 --> 02:15:02,696
how does SEE feel about that? He said, they don't

1952
02:15:02,696 --> 02:15:06,596
care. They don't care. Their customer service is horrible. Um,

1953
02:15:06,596 --> 02:15:09,616
they don't see us as valuable. If we want to

1954
02:15:09,616 --> 02:15:11,896
buy them out and buy the equipment and take over,

1955
02:15:11,896 --> 02:15:13,416
they're happy to give it to us. But it is

1956
02:15:13,597 --> 02:15:15,736
costly. So we're looking at like who would pay the

1957
02:15:15,776 --> 02:15:19,336
costs. All MVU. So these, you know, when we burden

1958
02:15:19,357 --> 02:15:22,616
the people who are mutant current MVUs with that, would

1959
02:15:22,616 --> 02:15:24,296
we put all the costs on the SE because they

1960
02:15:24,296 --> 02:15:26,856
have to move over. But, um, it is something that

1961
02:15:28,317 --> 02:15:31,256
your utility commission is looking at and Jason's working on

1962
02:15:31,256 --> 02:15:33,976
that as well. But, um, those are also some things

1963
02:15:33,976 --> 02:15:38,959
that utility commission looks at. In anticipation of what if

1964
02:15:38,959 --> 02:15:41,599
we were. So not just because there's reports or we're

1965
02:15:41,639 --> 02:15:44,239
looking into things means that we're going to do it.

1966
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:46,399
We're looking at like what would be best for everybody.

1967
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:55,899
I'm sorry council member. You guys still did that answer

1968
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:59,259
your initial question. And do you have any additional questions?

1969
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:00,859
I don't have any other right. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

1970
02:16:00,859 --> 02:16:05,819
Thank you. Um, so I guess, um, this is either

1971
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,659
a good thing that I called for it or a

1972
02:16:07,659 --> 02:16:09,579
bad thing. Uh, I was the one that called for

1973
02:16:09,619 --> 02:16:11,259
the study session and let me kind of give a

1974
02:16:11,259 --> 02:16:13,699
little background why I called for the study session. So

1975
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:19,579
as council member Bakasante Kuru said, um, we, I do

1976
02:16:19,619 --> 02:16:22,068
have a job outside of this job. I do have

1977
02:16:22,108 --> 02:16:24,468
a job outside of this job. Um, I work at

1978
02:16:24,489 --> 02:16:28,708
the labor center. I'm the director there at UC Riverside.

1979
02:16:28,708 --> 02:16:32,148
And I have been looking and studying data centers now

1980
02:16:33,289 --> 02:16:35,748
for a little close to a year and seeing what

1981
02:16:35,788 --> 02:16:40,468
had been happening in the city of Memphis, Virginia, Ohio,

1982
02:16:40,468 --> 02:16:44,468
um, places like that and thinking like, okay, so what

1983
02:16:44,508 --> 02:16:47,588
is it that needs to be done? Because I like

1984
02:16:47,849 --> 02:16:50,868
a lot of you understand that, um, it requires a

1985
02:16:50,868 --> 02:16:54,228
lot of resources. And the one resource that we've learned

1986
02:16:54,329 --> 02:16:57,028
that we could replicate, um, I shouldn't say the one.

1987
02:16:57,028 --> 02:16:59,028
We can replicate a lot, right? We can, we can

1988
02:16:59,449 --> 02:17:02,068
refract your energy back. Cause you can take care of

1989
02:17:02,108 --> 02:17:06,228
that. Um, using solar power. We can figure out when

1990
02:17:06,249 --> 02:17:08,148
we can fix. So you can figure out all these

1991
02:17:08,188 --> 02:17:11,268
things. The one natural resource that everyone seems to figure

1992
02:17:11,268 --> 02:17:15,088
out that we can't replicate is water. And so, um,

1993
02:17:15,289 --> 02:17:18,228
I, we hosted a webinar last year and we, we

1994
02:17:18,268 --> 02:17:21,588
had folks from all over the world, um, and one

1995
02:17:21,588 --> 02:17:26,948
of the most formentioned folks at UC Riverside, Shalo Ryn

1996
02:17:27,449 --> 02:17:30,208
come and basically talk to us about data centers. And

1997
02:17:30,208 --> 02:17:31,668
when I tell you the things that I learned that

1998
02:17:31,668 --> 02:17:34,068
you can do with data centers, it was like, okay.

1999
02:17:34,068 --> 02:17:35,868
So that was the first one. Um, and I do

2000
02:17:35,868 --> 02:17:38,948
want to give a special shout out to Jason. Because

2001
02:17:38,948 --> 02:17:43,108
about three weeks ago, I, um, had Jason come to

2002
02:17:43,108 --> 02:17:47,968
the middle of Palm Desert. It was 117 degrees. And

2003
02:17:47,968 --> 02:17:50,148
I know somebody asked about his suit. I'm telling you

2004
02:17:50,188 --> 02:17:54,228
he was fully dressed in a suit 117 degrees along

2005
02:17:54,268 --> 02:17:58,068
with, um, folks from the no data centers, which is

2006
02:17:58,169 --> 02:18:01,828
Monterey Park. We had, um, we had people that talked

2007
02:18:01,828 --> 02:18:06,388
about, um, not just infrastructure for them, but what exactly

2008
02:18:07,209 --> 02:18:10,548
is a data center? Where exactly do you do these

2009
02:18:10,588 --> 02:18:13,108
things physically lie? Because while we're all on our phones,

2010
02:18:13,108 --> 02:18:17,108
we all know phones and things like that streaming services.

2011
02:18:17,108 --> 02:18:19,668
It still has to be physically housed somewhere. We used

2012
02:18:19,668 --> 02:18:22,548
to think like the cloud is this mysterious like mixed,

2013
02:18:22,548 --> 02:18:24,628
like we just didn't know, right? And so we sat

2014
02:18:24,668 --> 02:18:28,788
down and had a conversation about that. And, um, and

2015
02:18:28,828 --> 02:18:32,210
I say all that to say. I didn't just pull

2016
02:18:32,250 --> 02:18:35,010
this out the sky. Someone said one time when I

2017
02:18:35,010 --> 02:18:37,370
first really started mentioning it, because if I could, if

2018
02:18:37,370 --> 02:18:38,770
I would have went for this a long time ago.

2019
02:18:39,324 --> 02:18:41,863
It's the new popular thing. And I'm like, ah, it's

2020
02:18:41,903 --> 02:18:44,879
not new and popular. I don't think it's new unpopular.

2021
02:18:44,919 --> 02:18:46,799
I'm seeing it happen in more and more brown and

2022
02:18:46,799 --> 02:18:51,359
black communities. They're pushing back. These notices are being signed.

2023
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:53,119
And then I hear everyone, um, I hear you guys

2024
02:18:53,119 --> 02:18:56,761
when you guys are saying the city of Coachella. So

2025
02:18:56,801 --> 02:18:58,921
I hear that. Let's talk about what really happened in

2026
02:18:58,961 --> 02:19:03,162
Coachella. They signed an agreement. It was going down for

2027
02:19:03,263 --> 02:19:05,562
a vote. And then the residents got a hold of

2028
02:19:05,562 --> 02:19:07,962
it and other community members. And then Coachella was like,

2029
02:19:07,962 --> 02:19:10,682
Oh damn, we messed up. So they didn't do it

2030
02:19:10,682 --> 02:19:12,362
because it was the right thing to do and they

2031
02:19:12,362 --> 02:19:15,722
didn't even have public input beforehand. I wanted full public

2032
02:19:15,743 --> 02:19:18,842
input on this. I wanted full transparency and full public

2033
02:19:18,863 --> 02:19:22,362
input. There are no data centers coming down the line.

2034
02:19:22,362 --> 02:19:25,642
There isn't a project that's coming forward. I've never been

2035
02:19:25,903 --> 02:19:28,682
supportive of them. But as council member Baka Santa Cruz

2036
02:19:28,863 --> 02:19:32,762
said the time to have the discussion was not when

2037
02:19:32,863 --> 02:19:35,322
one is actually placed in front of us for a

2038
02:19:35,322 --> 02:19:38,122
decision or when it was happening going down the pipeline

2039
02:19:38,383 --> 02:19:41,142
when it's submitted because by then it's too late. And

2040
02:19:41,142 --> 02:19:43,162
so what I was trying to figure out was, well,

2041
02:19:43,162 --> 02:19:47,044
how can we get one. See, Baka Santa Cruz is

2042
02:19:47,044 --> 02:19:50,271
requesting a moratorium. I want to fall out ban. I

2043
02:19:50,532 --> 02:19:52,351
want to fool out ban and let me explain why.

2044
02:19:53,952 --> 02:19:56,891
We are in this weird little, I don't know. This

2045
02:19:56,891 --> 02:20:00,411
is worse than Florida. I'm begging you Florida. Please take

2046
02:20:00,512 --> 02:20:03,691
your weather back. I don't want it at all. I

2047
02:20:03,731 --> 02:20:06,091
want my dry heat. But one of the main reasons

2048
02:20:06,131 --> 02:20:09,371
I had that event in Palm Desert was because that's

2049
02:20:09,371 --> 02:20:13,411
where they were being imposed proposed that 114 degrees. It

2050
02:20:13,411 --> 02:20:15,451
was 107 degrees that night even at nine o'clock at

2051
02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:19,051
night. And the truth is it's too damn hot and

2052
02:20:19,232 --> 02:20:21,531
there just is no water. But this is also a

2053
02:20:21,571 --> 02:20:24,651
conversation that needed to be had. I also think it

2054
02:20:24,672 --> 02:20:28,091
should not just rely upon the cities and the counties.

2055
02:20:28,091 --> 02:20:30,551
This is something that states should be looking at. And

2056
02:20:30,551 --> 02:20:32,891
the federal government should be addressing. And we need to

2057
02:20:32,931 --> 02:20:35,931
figure it out state by state because yes, we can

2058
02:20:36,032 --> 02:20:39,691
ban them out here in Riverside. We can in Riverside

2059
02:20:39,712 --> 02:20:41,851
County, we can ban them in the entire state of

2060
02:20:41,872 --> 02:20:45,731
California. The question now becomes, what is Arizona going to

2061
02:20:45,792 --> 02:20:48,891
do? Cause they pull from the same water. Nevada pulls

2062
02:20:48,931 --> 02:20:50,491
from the same water. So we banned them, but they

2063
02:20:50,491 --> 02:20:52,491
go forward. So that's why I think this is a

2064
02:20:52,491 --> 02:20:59,551
bigger discussion. So I hear you. Um, I can, I

2065
02:20:59,591 --> 02:21:01,471
can finally give my opinion because I haven't really given

2066
02:21:01,652 --> 02:21:04,865
an opinion on it. And I'm telling you, I don't

2067
02:21:04,886 --> 02:21:08,647
believe a moratorium is good enough. I believe you should

2068
02:21:08,687 --> 02:21:11,764
have a full ban on them. But I also will

2069
02:21:11,785 --> 02:21:14,412
say this. That while we can still do a full

2070
02:21:14,513 --> 02:21:17,692
ban on them, at some point, just like everyone was

2071
02:21:17,713 --> 02:21:22,132
complaining about AI today, if you are sitting on, if

2072
02:21:22,132 --> 02:21:24,332
you're sitting on any of your social media, if you

2073
02:21:24,332 --> 02:21:26,092
are doing any of those things, those things are all

2074
02:21:26,132 --> 02:21:28,652
still involved in it. And so we, we really should

2075
02:21:28,692 --> 02:21:31,272
look at it. I know, um, I believe it was

2076
02:21:31,313 --> 02:21:32,652
Ms. Hopkins who was like, I don't want to say

2077
02:21:33,313 --> 02:21:34,812
how old I don't want to put an age on

2078
02:21:34,852 --> 02:21:37,212
it. I don't care. I'm an 80s baby paid in

2079
02:21:37,212 --> 02:21:39,772
full all 44 years of my life. I remember of

2080
02:21:39,772 --> 02:21:42,412
time before we didn't have phones, I still, I longed

2081
02:21:42,412 --> 02:21:44,652
for it every day. Trust me. When I just left

2082
02:21:44,753 --> 02:21:46,092
the house and you didn't know where I was till

2083
02:21:46,113 --> 02:21:48,732
I got back. Right. And if you were lucky enough

2084
02:21:48,913 --> 02:21:50,572
and your parents supplied you would have beeper, you have

2085
02:21:50,572 --> 02:21:52,412
to find a payphone. I know. I think we might

2086
02:21:52,452 --> 02:21:55,212
still have one out front. But, um, I think we

2087
02:21:55,233 --> 02:21:58,972
need to really look at how we use technology and

2088
02:21:59,012 --> 02:22:01,132
what it's used for. We see the things that are

2089
02:22:01,153 --> 02:22:05,772
happening technology is advancing way quicker than anyone ever thought.

2090
02:22:05,772 --> 02:22:09,052
And so we need to really, we can, we can

2091
02:22:09,052 --> 02:22:12,412
ban this. I do believe I would prefer that city,

2092
02:22:12,412 --> 02:22:14,812
if they would like to, uh, look at a moratorium

2093
02:22:15,233 --> 02:22:18,172
as well as a full on band, I would prefer

2094
02:22:18,513 --> 02:22:20,332
the band, but I would like to see both of

2095
02:22:20,372 --> 02:22:24,012
them side by side and go from there. Um, but

2096
02:22:24,113 --> 02:22:26,172
I think just in general as a society, we do

2097
02:22:26,212 --> 02:22:28,812
need to really consider and think about because I always

2098
02:22:28,833 --> 02:22:30,812
tell people, I don't think about it in terms of

2099
02:22:30,833 --> 02:22:35,032
my future. I think about, um, my children's future. And

2100
02:22:35,032 --> 02:22:38,332
every decision that I make, I try to think about,

2101
02:22:38,332 --> 02:22:42,053
um, the same way my ancestors fought for freedom. They

2102
02:22:42,234 --> 02:22:45,573
fought for freedom knowing one day they may never see

2103
02:22:45,613 --> 02:22:47,333
it, but I would be able to see it in

2104
02:22:47,333 --> 02:22:49,973
habit. And so even if the decisions I make today,

2105
02:22:49,973 --> 02:22:52,213
someone may say it's silly that I would ban a

2106
02:22:52,253 --> 02:22:54,693
data center. Well, you know what? It's not, it might

2107
02:22:54,693 --> 02:22:56,853
not be something that I can fully see comfort fruition,

2108
02:22:56,853 --> 02:22:58,933
but I do my, my kids and my, my kids

2109
02:22:59,114 --> 02:23:01,173
and their kids will be better off than I was.

2110
02:23:01,173 --> 02:23:03,893
And sometimes that's the way decisions have to be made.

2111
02:23:03,893 --> 02:23:05,573
And so that's kind of where I stand on it.

2112
02:23:09,892 --> 02:23:12,111
Thank you. Next up we will go to council member

2113
02:23:12,292 --> 02:23:15,631
Delgado. Yeah. I won't be as long. Um, but I,

2114
02:23:15,671 --> 02:23:18,671
I do agree with my, my, my peers up here

2115
02:23:18,772 --> 02:23:22,111
as far as, um, either placing a ban or a

2116
02:23:22,292 --> 02:23:25,231
moratorium because we do not, in Marina Valley, do not

2117
02:23:25,231 --> 02:23:28,111
have the infrastructure for this. It might work in other

2118
02:23:28,111 --> 02:23:31,471
cities. It might be something that they want. Um, but

2119
02:23:31,572 --> 02:23:33,711
I would tell you I learned a lot. Thank you

2120
02:23:33,711 --> 02:23:36,271
for that presentation. And thank you for a lot of

2121
02:23:36,372 --> 02:23:39,151
the, um, the residents that came up with their information

2122
02:23:39,812 --> 02:23:42,671
and their stats, uh, I didn't know a lot about

2123
02:23:43,012 --> 02:23:45,471
data centers. We heard a lot about them, but we

2124
02:23:45,471 --> 02:23:47,751
don't know, you know, getting down into the weeds. So

2125
02:23:47,751 --> 02:23:50,991
thank you for that. Um, and I do hear my

2126
02:23:51,092 --> 02:23:54,271
constituents and district two, they do not want anything like

2127
02:23:54,311 --> 02:23:57,151
this. And I don't, I just, I took notes and

2128
02:23:57,191 --> 02:24:00,511
I wrote lose lose because up in district two, there's

2129
02:24:00,551 --> 02:24:03,631
no, I mean, it doesn't even make sense for one.

2130
02:24:03,631 --> 02:24:08,751
Um, but again, I think that, um, we don't have

2131
02:24:08,791 --> 02:24:10,991
the infrastructure. We don't have the desire. We don't have

2132
02:24:10,991 --> 02:24:15,231
the need. Um, so I mean, again, I'm not going

2133
02:24:15,231 --> 02:24:18,591
to reiterate reiterate everything these guys said, but, um, and

2134
02:24:18,591 --> 02:24:20,991
I'm sure, you know, my other peers that haven't spoken

2135
02:24:22,292 --> 02:24:24,937
have something to say about it too. So. Thank you.

2136
02:24:26,260 --> 02:24:32,113
Thank you. Mayor pro Tim Gonzalez. Uh, thank you, Councillor.

2137
02:24:32,134 --> 02:24:35,533
Um, uh, so I just want to say that, um,

2138
02:24:35,814 --> 02:24:39,713
I, I also heard, uh, the residents speak, especially my,

2139
02:24:39,713 --> 02:24:44,193
uh, the constituents that are in district three, the place

2140
02:24:44,193 --> 02:24:47,513
for data centers in Renovalley or in District 3. We

2141
02:24:47,513 --> 02:24:51,153
don't have the infrastructure requirements. Uh, we don't have the,

2142
02:24:51,153 --> 02:24:53,793
or, or the power water to provide this type of,

2143
02:24:54,054 --> 02:24:59,713
of, um, of development in Murnavalley. Uh, it reminds me

2144
02:24:59,734 --> 02:25:02,913
of, you know, the comments that we're being made about,

2145
02:25:02,913 --> 02:25:07,073
you know, being ahead of, of these uses, which we

2146
02:25:07,174 --> 02:25:09,953
have an opportunity now to, to ban or have a

2147
02:25:09,953 --> 02:25:14,673
moratorium, no different in the warehouses, right? Um, there's, there

2148
02:25:15,174 --> 02:25:19,313
were the explosion at warehouses happen so fast. And it

2149
02:25:19,334 --> 02:25:23,773
just took, um, it took everyone by, by surprise. And

2150
02:25:23,773 --> 02:25:27,933
it took, um, to get there. So I definitely, um,

2151
02:25:28,694 --> 02:25:33,233
pull support a ban or moratorium on, on, um, data

2152
02:25:33,273 --> 02:25:38,937
centers. And also, uh, it just kind of, it reminds,

2153
02:25:38,937 --> 02:25:40,697
it reminds us all that we, we definitely have to

2154
02:25:40,958 --> 02:25:45,577
have a conversation on, on, on the future of AI,

2155
02:25:45,577 --> 02:25:48,457
the benefits of social media, even though we, we all

2156
02:25:48,497 --> 02:25:52,357
use it for our, for our own specific purposes. Um,

2157
02:25:52,357 --> 02:25:57,417
we've definitely, um, need to have that conversation in society.

2158
02:25:57,417 --> 02:26:01,337
It's, it's, it's gotten out of control. So definitely I

2159
02:26:01,377 --> 02:26:05,497
am not in favor of, um, data centers here in

2160
02:26:05,518 --> 02:26:08,297
our city. So with that, I'll turn over to the

2161
02:26:08,297 --> 02:26:14,858
mayor. Thank you mayor pro time. And thank you to

2162
02:26:14,879 --> 02:26:18,343
my colleagues as well for their input. And again, thank

2163
02:26:18,343 --> 02:26:22,023
you to the residents as well for coming out and

2164
02:26:22,284 --> 02:26:25,783
sharing your concerns, asking your questions. And I mean, this

2165
02:26:25,823 --> 02:26:29,783
is what it's about, you know, really, uh, hope that

2166
02:26:29,823 --> 02:26:34,803
we see rooms filled with more people moving forward. You

2167
02:26:34,803 --> 02:26:35,943
know, one of the things that we've tried to do

2168
02:26:36,124 --> 02:26:39,783
is to make city hall more accessible. It's not always

2169
02:26:39,804 --> 02:26:42,743
easy. And we're not always, uh, able to solve every

2170
02:26:42,844 --> 02:26:46,483
piece of it. Um, cause we're just one organization, one

2171
02:26:46,483 --> 02:26:50,183
government entity. And the others, um, have their own schedules

2172
02:26:50,204 --> 02:26:52,343
and all that. But, uh, hopefully we do see more

2173
02:26:52,444 --> 02:26:55,863
participation, more engagement now that we have the virtual options

2174
02:26:55,884 --> 02:26:57,943
as well. We're seeing more of that. So that's always

2175
02:26:57,983 --> 02:27:01,463
a good thing that our residents can come out and,

2176
02:27:01,463 --> 02:27:04,103
um, have their voices heard, uh, on topics like this.

2177
02:27:04,103 --> 02:27:07,783
And so, uh, not to repeat everything that's been said.

2178
02:27:07,783 --> 02:27:09,703
Cause I agree with pretty much everything that's been said

2179
02:27:09,743 --> 02:27:13,143
already. But to share a couple of other things as

2180
02:27:13,143 --> 02:27:17,303
well that, uh, for example, um, you know, for anybody

2181
02:27:17,303 --> 02:27:20,903
that watches the economy very closely and the various economic,

2182
02:27:20,903 --> 02:27:24,983
uh, variables factors, we can throw out things like inflation,

2183
02:27:24,983 --> 02:27:28,983
treasury yields, uh, interest rates, uh, federal reserve making different

2184
02:27:29,023 --> 02:27:32,323
decisions. Terrif wars. The war in the Middle East. And

2185
02:27:32,323 --> 02:27:35,383
what that does to oil prices. And right now things

2186
02:27:35,404 --> 02:27:40,903
are, uh, definitely obviously not headed in the right direction.

2187
02:27:40,903 --> 02:27:42,963
And, um, I bring that up because there's a lot

2188
02:27:42,963 --> 02:27:48,083
of discussion growing every day about what it's being, uh,

2189
02:27:48,284 --> 02:27:52,103
nicknamed the AI bubble. And comparing that to the dot

2190
02:27:52,103 --> 02:27:55,303
com bubble in 2000, comparing it to the Great Depression

2191
02:27:56,924 --> 02:28:03,915
and industrial revolutions where technologies. Came about, they were created.

2192
02:28:03,915 --> 02:28:09,035
They caused massive disruptions in society and the economy. And,

2193
02:28:09,035 --> 02:28:11,195
uh, that's a major concern right now that so much

2194
02:28:11,776 --> 02:28:16,875
money is going into these AI companies and so many

2195
02:28:16,875 --> 02:28:19,255
different question marks that are coming up there. So, uh,

2196
02:28:19,696 --> 02:28:21,515
I think those are serious concerns that we need to

2197
02:28:21,515 --> 02:28:23,555
look at. I'll mention another one. If you want to

2198
02:28:23,555 --> 02:28:26,475
look into this is, um, uh, SpaceX when they went

2199
02:28:26,496 --> 02:28:29,835
public, um, how that affected a lot of people in

2200
02:28:29,835 --> 02:28:32,955
this country is 401ks and retirement accounts and things like

2201
02:28:32,955 --> 02:28:36,795
that. These billionaires and corporations are playing games with the

2202
02:28:36,816 --> 02:28:40,795
American people's retirements and equity and all of these things.

2203
02:28:40,795 --> 02:28:44,635
And it's not okay. And that segues into AI regulations.

2204
02:28:44,635 --> 02:28:48,215
And what we've seen this federal administration, when they got

2205
02:28:48,215 --> 02:28:52,475
back into the White House, uh, in 24, almost two

2206
02:28:52,515 --> 02:28:57,755
years ago, they're using every tool and policy and legalese

2207
02:28:58,496 --> 02:29:02,235
and even ignoring court orders to allow their donors and

2208
02:29:02,336 --> 02:29:08,955
their corporate, uh, puppet masters to sell off public lands,

2209
02:29:08,955 --> 02:29:14,155
federal lens, uh, prevent or hold back AI regulation just

2210
02:29:14,155 --> 02:29:17,195
in, I think it was Wisconsin, uh, Elon Musk was

2211
02:29:17,235 --> 02:29:19,435
fighting. I don't even want to say it because I

2212
02:29:19,435 --> 02:29:21,835
have two young children at home, but it's those type

2213
02:29:21,835 --> 02:29:26,395
of people that we're fighting against. And they're all trying

2214
02:29:26,395 --> 02:29:30,395
to protect themselves trying to fill their pockets more trying

2215
02:29:30,395 --> 02:29:33,755
to increase the value of their stocks and their companies.

2216
02:29:34,775 --> 02:29:37,874
And those are things that need to change. But we

2217
02:29:37,895 --> 02:29:41,234
can control whatever's within our authority. Everything else we can

2218
02:29:41,255 --> 02:29:45,474
advocate for it. We can, um, try to work with

2219
02:29:45,655 --> 02:29:49,874
our state and federal legislators. But, um, you know, it's

2220
02:29:49,895 --> 02:29:53,474
really tough, uh, to get anything done at the federal

2221
02:29:53,495 --> 02:29:56,354
level. So we need to do what we can here.

2222
02:29:56,354 --> 02:29:57,994
I also want to mention, cause it was part of

2223
02:29:57,994 --> 02:30:01,714
the presentation that any AI data center is really are

2224
02:30:01,714 --> 02:30:04,834
moving into industrial buildings across the country for the most

2225
02:30:04,834 --> 02:30:11,234
part. And back in 2017, you know, cause one of

2226
02:30:11,234 --> 02:30:14,354
the speakers brought it up at the beginning, I was,

2227
02:30:14,354 --> 02:30:16,114
you know, very new to politics, all that. I was

2228
02:30:16,154 --> 02:30:19,874
learning a lot. Uh, 21, 22 years old and very

2229
02:30:19,874 --> 02:30:23,634
quickly learned that the picture that was being painted about

2230
02:30:23,895 --> 02:30:27,154
industrial and warehousing and how it's going to create all

2231
02:30:27,194 --> 02:30:29,354
these permanent long - term jobs. And it's going to

2232
02:30:29,354 --> 02:30:32,754
be so good for, uh, the community quickly learned that

2233
02:30:33,015 --> 02:30:37,634
that was not the case. And when I finally realized

2234
02:30:37,674 --> 02:30:40,034
that these people are not in it for the right

2235
02:30:40,034 --> 02:30:43,634
reasons. They're in it to buy the votes on the

2236
02:30:43,674 --> 02:30:48,834
council and get their projects approved. Um, I decided to

2237
02:30:48,874 --> 02:30:52,034
vote against a world logistics center. And ever since then,

2238
02:30:52,034 --> 02:30:58,207
I've had warehouse developers, uh, basically. Coming for me. And

2239
02:30:58,247 --> 02:31:02,372
it hasn't been easy. But it's because I wanted us

2240
02:31:02,372 --> 02:31:05,972
to diversify our local economy, move away from just industrial.

2241
02:31:05,972 --> 02:31:07,972
We've had too much of that going on. And so

2242
02:31:08,473 --> 02:31:11,652
I think little by little, we're seeing progress in that

2243
02:31:11,673 --> 02:31:16,112
direction. But, uh, we need to keep going. So, um,

2244
02:31:16,793 --> 02:31:19,572
I won't talk about infrastructure or electricity or water because

2245
02:31:19,572 --> 02:31:22,663
that's been covered already. But, uh, in conclusion, I will

2246
02:31:22,703 --> 02:31:26,023
say that, you know, our societies at a major crossroads

2247
02:31:26,764 --> 02:31:32,983
because we, in many ways, can't live without many of

2248
02:31:33,023 --> 02:31:37,863
these technologies. Our society is just so interconnected and intertwined,

2249
02:31:37,863 --> 02:31:42,503
uh, whether it's our, our screens here and our agendas,

2250
02:31:42,503 --> 02:31:45,463
our cell phones or computers, the internet, um, you know,

2251
02:31:45,644 --> 02:31:49,703
all, all those things, um, we have to figure out

2252
02:31:50,684 --> 02:31:52,263
what the future is going to look like because we

2253
02:31:52,303 --> 02:31:55,623
can't, on one hand, say we don't like AI and

2254
02:31:55,663 --> 02:31:57,463
we don't want data centers, but then on the other

2255
02:31:57,463 --> 02:32:00,663
hand, um, you know, folks are on TikTok and making

2256
02:32:00,924 --> 02:32:05,383
Instagram reels and someone mentioned making cat, you know, pictures

2257
02:32:05,484 --> 02:32:10,282
of yourself. We have to really figure out what that's

2258
02:32:10,303 --> 02:32:12,522
going to look like and what do we want? Cause

2259
02:32:12,522 --> 02:32:16,262
we can't really have both. So, uh, in conclusion, uh,

2260
02:32:16,383 --> 02:32:18,282
just want to say that I look forward to these

2261
02:32:18,322 --> 02:32:21,322
conversations. It looks like there's clear consensus on this dais

2262
02:32:23,183 --> 02:32:25,722
on bringing an item back to the council, having a

2263
02:32:25,722 --> 02:32:29,242
discussion and taking formal action. We cannot do that tonight.

2264
02:32:29,263 --> 02:32:33,802
This is a study session, uh, our processes are bylaws.

2265
02:32:33,802 --> 02:32:37,642
We don't take action and study sessions. But, um, sure.

2266
02:32:37,682 --> 02:32:39,482
But we can give direction. That is correct. So now

2267
02:32:39,503 --> 02:32:43,482
that the council has clear consensus, um, this is typically

2268
02:32:43,503 --> 02:32:46,922
what we do. Staff will ask or see if there's

2269
02:32:46,922 --> 02:32:50,362
consensus and then move forward with bringing back an agenda

2270
02:32:50,383 --> 02:32:53,442
item in the future. So, um, staff, I'll turn it

2271
02:32:53,442 --> 02:32:55,802
over to you as far as any additional questions you

2272
02:32:55,842 --> 02:32:58,362
may have, any clarification that you need on how to

2273
02:32:58,362 --> 02:33:03,962
move forward. Mayor, um, mayor, uh, just so, um, it's

2274
02:33:04,002 --> 02:33:09,882
codified for the official record, uh, policy 1. 01, section

2275
02:33:10,143 --> 02:33:14,202
1. 4. 3. Although this is a study session and

2276
02:33:14,383 --> 02:33:19,402
there's absolutely no vote. The council members may individually express

2277
02:33:19,663 --> 02:33:23,562
their opinions and ask questions concerning the study session item.

2278
02:33:23,562 --> 02:33:27,242
Um, and may by majority consent give general direction to

2279
02:33:27,423 --> 02:33:31,722
staff concerning further actions to be taken prior to formal

2280
02:33:31,762 --> 02:33:35,402
city council consideration of the item. Um, but any final

2281
02:33:35,423 --> 02:33:39,322
action or formal motions or vote required to affect council

2282
02:33:39,322 --> 02:33:43,002
approval or denial shall take place at a regularly scheduled

2283
02:33:43,023 --> 02:33:48,282
council meeting. So based on, uh, this, definitely consensus for

2284
02:33:48,623 --> 02:33:52,522
staff to come back. Um, and, uh, we will do

2285
02:33:52,543 --> 02:33:59,802
so. Um, ample time. Keep in mind, uh, we're going

2286
02:33:59,802 --> 02:34:04,522
to have to discuss internally what meeting would be the

2287
02:34:04,522 --> 02:34:06,522
proper meeting to come to and whether or not public

2288
02:34:06,623 --> 02:34:10,202
notice is needing to be, um, done through the newspapers

2289
02:34:10,303 --> 02:34:17,242
and so forth. So, um, and we also are dark,

2290
02:34:17,242 --> 02:34:21,082
September 15th. So, uh, sometime in October, uh, we'll be

2291
02:34:21,082 --> 02:34:24,680
coming back. Perfect. Sounds good. Thank you so much. Perfect.

2292
02:34:24,680 --> 02:34:26,760
Thank you. And then I did have just before we

2293
02:34:26,781 --> 02:34:30,360
adjourn the meeting, uh, receive notice that we had one

2294
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:32,200
more request to speak that came in at the end

2295
02:34:32,221 --> 02:34:35,720
here. Uh, so just wanted to ask, um, my colleagues,

2296
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:36,920
if that's okay with you, we can take one more

2297
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:41,009
public comment. Okay. Let's hear them all. Christopher Baka.

2298
02:34:48,266 --> 02:34:51,925
I highly appreciate you allowing me to speak. And I

2299
02:34:51,925 --> 02:34:55,045
don't want to ruffle any feathers, but, um, I'm not

2300
02:34:55,466 --> 02:34:59,505
four data centers, but I think you, I think, uh,

2301
02:34:59,946 --> 02:35:02,245
cover I did make a point, you know, we need

2302
02:35:02,245 --> 02:35:05,205
to look into the future and they are some fallacies

2303
02:35:05,306 --> 02:35:08,485
involving, uh, going around about data centers. For instance, some

2304
02:35:08,525 --> 02:35:11,845
of them, uh, what they're talking about the water and

2305
02:35:11,885 --> 02:35:16,705
the electrical uses are these antiquated and old technology. And

2306
02:35:16,705 --> 02:35:21,125
we're talking about data centers that use 2000 gallons of

2307
02:35:21,165 --> 02:35:26,885
water that is completely always recycled. Also, um, it's insanity

2308
02:35:26,885 --> 02:35:31,125
that our city does not allow warehouses to have solar

2309
02:35:31,226 --> 02:35:35,765
panels. Whereas in the new technology, some of the windows,

2310
02:35:35,765 --> 02:35:38,565
some of the other stuff can be used as solar

2311
02:35:38,605 --> 02:35:42,805
power that can power these, uh, data centers. You know,

2312
02:35:42,826 --> 02:35:47,285
when I was a kid, the year 2000, we're going

2313
02:35:47,285 --> 02:35:51,525
to have flying cars. We were going to have robots.

2314
02:35:51,525 --> 02:35:55,285
We were going to be living halfway up the sky.

2315
02:35:55,285 --> 02:35:57,365
You know, we really, you know, we can't jump into

2316
02:35:57,405 --> 02:36:01,365
these conclusions. I agree with, uh, council member, uh, Santa

2317
02:36:01,365 --> 02:36:05,045
Cruz at a moratorium would be what satisfied until there's

2318
02:36:05,045 --> 02:36:08,645
more information given out. I didn't see the study session,

2319
02:36:08,645 --> 02:36:12,865
but did it mention anything about some of the, uh,

2320
02:36:13,146 --> 02:36:17,933
water. Consumption. That is not, you know, what they, you

2321
02:36:17,933 --> 02:36:21,053
know, yes, we're in the desert. I don't think a

2322
02:36:21,053 --> 02:36:24,653
couple, um, milling gallons of water that is recycled for

2323
02:36:25,074 --> 02:36:29,993
indefinitely is, you know, the benefits for the future, you

2324
02:36:29,993 --> 02:36:33,933
know, like I said, I'm not for data centers, but,

2325
02:36:33,933 --> 02:36:41,853
you know, I think it's, it's, it's unresponsible to complete

2326
02:36:42,114 --> 02:36:46,013
information for. I don't think our, I didn't see the

2327
02:36:46,274 --> 02:36:49,853
study session. I didn't see the presentation, but you know,

2328
02:36:49,853 --> 02:36:55,293
there are future developments in solar panel and recycled water.

2329
02:36:55,293 --> 02:36:59,753
And in case you didn't know, data centers around. Did

2330
02:36:59,753 --> 02:37:05,422
you know the Paris. It's state. You know, it's here.

2331
02:37:06,471 --> 02:37:09,570
They need it. You know, this, we may have one

2332
02:37:09,591 --> 02:37:13,378
here in city hall. Who knows. You know, so my

2333
02:37:14,759 --> 02:37:20,498
conclusion is a ban is excessive at this point. Although

2334
02:37:20,498 --> 02:37:23,698
it could be rescinded down the line, but we need

2335
02:37:23,719 --> 02:37:27,778
more information and we need to stop, you know, going

2336
02:37:27,778 --> 02:37:32,018
with the political activity of like, I band - aid

2337
02:37:32,018 --> 02:37:39,144
a center's vote for me. That concludes public comment mayor.

2338
02:37:40,581 --> 02:37:42,880
Thank you very much, Madam Clerk. So that will conclude

2339
02:37:44,421 --> 02:37:47,200
our meeting for this evening and we will officially adjourn

2340
02:37:47,381 --> 02:37:50,400
at 827 p. m. Have a good night, everyone.