[0:00] indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [0:09] » Back on here has got a little something he want to [0:13] share with us about the uh [0:17] it's uh I mentioned it to you guys a couple months ago about the uh [0:23] new water uh leader system. So Cameron Okay. [0:28] » Okay. So you guys can take a look at that as well. [0:31] » Yeah. Uh, hi there. My name is Cameron. I'm with Metron here out of uh, Boulder, [0:38] Colorado. Um, I had actually give Joe a call a couple months ago. I don't know [0:42] where to like stay. Um, I gave a call a couple months ago [0:47] just to come by just to see what your guys' meter system looked like. Um, so [0:50] we sat down for about 20 minutes and I just kind of went over um, our software, [0:55] our meters and kind of what we do. So um Metron car has been around for 30 plus [0:59] years. Um what we do is we have cellular water meters. So very very similar to [1:03] what Badger uh does. The difference between our meters and anyone else in [1:08] the market is we provide one minute data. So you get 1440 reads per day [1:14] that's sent directly to uh water scope which is and this was the platform and [1:18] software I wanted to show you. I wish I was able to throw it up on there but I [1:21] did not come. Um, some of the customers that we [1:25] currently service here in Indiana are Campbellburg, Scottsburg, uh, city of [1:30] Bristol. I also talking with obviously you guys. Uh, I chatted with Reville [1:35] Water last week and as well as I went up to Tiffan earlier this morning. Um, [1:40] what's nice about this is this will give you a leak determination. So, it will [1:45] tell you all your previous reads from the day before cuz our register kicks on [1:49] at midnight and gives you every read from midnight to 11:59 p.m. Um, what's [1:54] really nice about that is this will actually help with with increasing with [1:57] customer service. So, if you ever have somebody call say, "Hey, we have an [2:01] issue with our meter or with our water bill like it's too high." You're able to [2:05] give this software to your consumers so they can actually see where that meter [2:09] where that actually occurred. So what's nice about that is everyone here I'm [2:14] assuming has snowbirds. So like chopped out in Florida cuz they don't want to be [2:17] here for the winter months. Sometimes that bottom that basement um toilet gets [2:22] flushed and that flat valve gets stuck and then that it just continues to run. [2:26] Right. This will give you an alert down to the exact minute of when that [2:29] actually happens. Um and like I said what's nice about that is battery life [2:33] on here is 23 years. Um we have a warranty on it for uh 20. It's prorated [2:38] after 10 years and it goes through Verizon AT&T. Um, and then if you guys [2:43] have any trouble spots for some of their service, we have easy fixes for that as [2:46] well. Now, on the meter itself, which comes with our register, that's nice. [2:51] But if you guys also just want the water scope data, we can retrofit 95% of our [2:56] registers on to what you guys are using now. And I think you mentioned is a [2:59] census or two. >> Nebu. Um the other thing too uh the old [3:05] CEO of Census is actually on our board because when he left Census he firmly [3:10] believed that we are eventually going to be the top market and I think that that [3:14] speaks volumes for just who we are. So that's all I got for you. [3:20] » Any questions answer and you're talking about this register [3:24] right here comes off. [3:30] » Yep. And what's nice too is not only do you get um the meter or register, you [3:35] get uh 10 years of Verizon or AT&T service plan that goes on top of that so [3:40] that you're not paying Verizon or AT&T separately cuz and that's why we that's [3:45] the reason we're really good is we deal with them so it doesn't make your guys [3:49] bill overly expensive and the software doesn't come with any cost you [3:53] » everything comes with the price of the meter. Yep. We're not going to charge [3:57] you guys a service fee annually. We are not going to say, "Oh, by the way, you [4:00] have to pay X amount." Is here's a meter, here's a register, that's what [4:04] the cost is. And what's nice, too, is once they're in the ground, it's [4:08] installed today, read tomorrow. So, if we were to put this on any of your guys' [4:11] houses, we would get a read, right? If everything got installed right now at [4:15] 6:00, we'd have read from 6:00 p.m. to midnight and then it just continues. [4:22] So without look at that like is there any [4:26] apps or future apps? >> Yep. So we actually are working on our [4:31] water scope and utility app too. Um we have the number one just came out right [4:35] now but you can actually have that as well. So if Joe's out like looking at [4:38] it, he can have all that access right on his phone. And same thing for the [4:41] consumer as well. [4:46] » I'd love to ask a question. Sure. So, we're looking at a lot of houses go [4:52] out community in 10 years. That'd be one hell of an excessive bill on cell [4:57] phones. Is there a way to transfer this over to [5:01] something better? Is there a better deal with Verizon or AT&T where this is not [5:06] where we're paying $60 per meter? That that is a ridiculous. [5:11] » Oh, that's outrageous. Absolutely. Yeah. you would go back for us, have it react [5:14] up for us because then we can get that plan back on once you date you're about [5:18] 10 years in one day. >> So 10 years we're hoping you guys are [5:21] still going to be around us or you can keep going. [5:24] » Yep. >> Yep. [5:27] » So when those meters freeze >> um there they can as anything can once [5:32] you get below 32 degrees. We do have meter jacks as well. Um but the other [5:36] thing with the water scope is it actually tells you the temperature of [5:39] the meter in of itself. So if you feel like you're going to have any one that's [5:42] going to freeze you're going to be trouble, you can actually get ahead of [5:44] the game by looking on water scope and then taking action that way. [5:49] » So you can't replace the bottom of me. >> You can't push the bottom of the meters [5:56] up chest. You can flip it over and take four bolts out, [5:59] » pull the cap off of it and put it on. >> Yeah. With with this, if you have meter [6:04] freeze, send it back to us. So we need a warranty still. [6:07] » So we're sending back to Boulder Colorado. [6:10] And you're looking at four to six weeks. >> Uh 3 to four weeks as of right now. Um [6:15] if it's anything like that, I'm out here every two weeks traveling the entire [6:19] state of Indiana. Um I dropped off 20 pitbound antennas to this morning. So I [6:25] don't mind hand delivering it if I absolutely need to. If I can put it in [6:28] my check bag, I'll bring it to you. But yes, three or four most of the time. [6:32] » Do you recommend that a certain number be stock replacements? So that's really [6:37] up to you guys and how you guys want to do that. I would always recommend having [6:41] a couple extra on hand just in case because it's better to have it and need [6:44] it than need it and not have it. >> When we got units that are not being [6:49] used, can they can the sell services be put on hold or not being charged for it? [6:54] » See the problem is with holding meters in a box and the meter if it's 2025 the [7:00] meter can be used at 2128. That meter's 2 years old. So you've already lost two [7:04] years your warranty. You don't really want a whole bunch of [7:07] » Yeah, I would say 20 maybe a box four table maximum like and if you're having [7:12] that while we wouldn't be in business. [7:20] » Any other questions I can answer for you guys? [7:22] » Do do we have a number of communities that we could reach out to and ask how [7:26] this perform you have these installed? >> Yeah, absolutely. [7:29] » For how many years now? Um, I believe that a couple of us, uh, Togo Lake has [7:33] been on board with us since 2021. Um, I'd have to go back back through and [7:38] look. I think a couple of my customers have been with us since 2019. And I'll [7:41] be very honest with you, I started with the company just in April of this year, [7:44] but I my dad works in Waterworks for Corn Main. So, my joke is like I've been [7:48] around the water business since I was six. [7:51] » So, >> yeah. I mean, hearing how they're [7:55] performing in installations, we've been there several years, but [8:00] Yeah, I can get references through Lake, Campbellburg, Scatsburg, Gibson Water, [8:05] Pat Gibson, uh, Water Authority, uh, Bristol as well. Um, and then obviously [8:10] Connorsville right now they're doing a pilot with us. So they just got 10 [8:13] meters in the ground this week and then I'm going to follow up in 30 60 90 days [8:17] just to see how the beers are performing and what they want to do from there. [8:23] » Do you have a demo program where you where we can test out? [8:27] » Um, potentially. Yeah. So, what I was telling Joe is look at doing a pilot [8:31] program. So, 10 m or a box a box is 20 and we'll do a year of sell service on [8:37] those so you guys can try them out. And what I do is I knock the cost down from [8:41] our normal 395. I quoted Joe 380 on them. But if you guys wanted to try the [8:46] pilot out, I could do $300 for it with a year of service. And then again, same [8:50] thing follow up from there. That's what Conorville is doing right now. [9:01] All right. Any additional questions? Awesome. Well, I just really appreciate [9:06] you guys' time. Thanks for letting me present. Thank you. Thank you. [9:19] » All right. Some new towns hall. Well, they started today. Did they? [9:25] » Yeah, they started doing the concrete work today. And uh let's see. There was [9:32] a couple things on there. Uh the additional table. [9:38] Uh I think it probably be a good time if we're going to do that to add it in [9:43] before we get too much further. You know, they want usual [9:49] cost. But are you talking about that being a [9:53] part of this contract or just a separate contract? It's going to be a separate at [9:57] the same time. >> Yeah, but at the same time extra so to [10:01] speak. I think the price was quoted was $17,200 [10:07] for that or 17,400. >> It's in the minutes. [10:11] » And uh [10:17] » I guess it isn't. >> Yes. Uh, you guys want to consider that? [10:23] » 17,400. >> Yeah. 17,400. Yeah. [10:29] Uh, it'd be a good time probably to do that. [10:33] » And I noticed the exterior painting didn't get included in as well. [10:41] And I think the we okay did the the painting for $15,000 is going it be an [10:49] extra ticket contract because it wasn't part of that the [10:54] original bid and it wasn't actually part of the scope of work in the on the plans [11:01] » the windows we we didn't took care of that that's that's in contract [11:05] » well but but you would make the painting part of the contract with roads [11:09] » yes >> the paving you just have a ping [11:11] contractor do that separate? >> Uh, well, we actually I got to price the [11:15] rubbish for that, you know, extra. I told you to get right to the contractor, [11:19] see what it cost us extra from that. >> Okay. [11:23] » So, uh, I guess you know the council [11:29] uh, do we need to reapprove these 15,000 for the painting? [11:33] » I think you need to authorize it. >> Authorize the exchange order. [11:36] » Yeah. >> Okay. So, is that what you guys like to [11:39] do? authorize a change order for 15,000 for the painting [11:42] » and and authorize you to go ahead and sign it. [11:44] » Yeah. Authorize me to sign that and uh also how about you guys? [11:52] » I think we should just because you know snow removal. Um [11:58] » easy access into the back of the building. [12:02] That's my thoughts. I think we should do it too. [12:07] » While we're while we're doing it, we probably should do it or probably will [12:11] not get done. >> Probably will. [12:18] Does anybody want to make a motion to approve the painting? Oh, the the [12:21] painting for 17,400 motion. [12:24] » I'll second. >> All in favor say I. I. [12:29] » Are you combining those? So you you're approving the painting of 15,000 and [12:33] paying 174, >> right? [12:35] » And authorizing a change order for both >> for both [12:38] » and authorizing you to sign. >> Yes. Is that what Yes. Yep. [12:43] » Okay. >> Okay. Let's see. What else is involved? [12:49] Oh, we had a a pay application for mobilization [12:55] here and then the amount [13:00] this will be probably the materials and the startup cost of the job. It's going [13:05] to be $16,3110 [13:10] and we'll be paying for that the our our portion of of what the town hall I think [13:16] we decided up to 90,000. U so we'll be paying for that initially [13:22] from that. So I need the council to make a motion [13:27] to approve >> and that that is the signature of the [13:30] architect down there. >> Yes, it is. And [13:33] » I don't know who that is, but >> huh. [13:36] » Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. [13:37] » That's the Miller or March Miller. >> Yeah. [13:39] » Okay. [13:43] » Now, do we got to run all these pay applications through the architect? Is [13:46] that part of that? >> Well, I think that's part of what [13:48] they're doing for us. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. [13:51] » And it always feels good to know that they were going to change. [13:56] » Well, I I would ask them to just because they'll keep using the AIA forms. [14:00] » Okay. >> And they did the personal for us. So, [14:02] » okay, that sounds good. I didn't know, >> you know, because by doing this, we have [14:06] a way of keeping the running total and the adjusted contract sum and [14:10] » right, >> it is a way to kind of keep the contract [14:14] in order. >> In order. [14:15] » Yeah. Okay. I wasn't sure about that. >> All right. [14:25] » You second. >> All in favor say I. [14:29] » I. Then behind that we've got uh a free [14:34] service job free service. We already okay this in in the last meeting. This [14:40] is just his uh invoice for the payment. >> It's very vague. I'm sorry. [14:45] » It's very It's not a very good copy. I'm sorry. But [14:48] » No, it's not a very good copy. $600 on there. [14:52] » Yeah. >> Can't really tell. It's a little light. [14:54] That's the amount. So the emotions go pretty bad. [15:00] [Applause] motion. [15:03] All >> say I [15:07] uh Okay. [15:11] Uh Lori Laura Elliot, we got her here. >> Yes, she did. [15:20] That >> we don't have it in our back. This [15:25] little one here. And then we got two. So this is what you [15:30] had asked for the last meeting. [15:35] I can't do that. Um but I but what I did what I did see [15:41] is that it started back in um the August the 26th of 2023. [15:50] So these are a lot of these are just small amounts of time hours. [15:56] So it is it is um so it's not like it's once a year [16:03] it's she continues it on till we use all our time and we were actually [16:08] and needed to do some work but we had to wait till this meeting because if you're [16:12] not using the contract hours [Applause] [16:19] and so I looked over these hours we you know we take the amount of money divided [16:25] by the amount of time she gives us. It's And since she's going to she's going to [16:32] carry it over, I I think we should choose the more hours because it's going [16:37] to be for a lot less per hour. [16:46] 2480 is going to be [17:00] you know, and and I wanted to mention too, I I think that [17:06] I mean, if we didn't go with if we didn't stay with this, we would have to [17:10] scrap the whole web page and website and start over. So, we obviously want to [17:16] keep going because we've already got it established. But I I wanted to let [17:20] everybody know that Laura um I think she goes over and she goes out to business [17:29] locations and takes pictures and a lot of I can't say a lot but some of the [17:36] stuff she does she doesn't charge us for. [17:44] » Tell me last. I didn't have >> two years. [17:49] » Yeah. >> Two years almost to the day. [17:57] » I think 80 hours or so. [18:02] » Yeah. What do you think, Jeremy? [18:08] I want to make a motion that motion. [18:15] » All in favor say I. >> All right. [18:21] Let's see here. Next we got invoices from police and Frank. [18:32] Let's see what the first one we got here is. This is uh [18:40] professional services of the engineering final. So what we got here is the [18:48] bidding pro bidding contract administration [18:54] and the project RPR uh total $4,000 [19:02] on the first invoice and one right behind that. This one is [19:09] for contract administration, $5,500. [19:14] And the one in the very back, this is for the consumer report [19:19] uh paperwork they did for us that should be coming out in the water. [19:25] Pretty good. [19:28] So, anybody want to make a motion to approve uh the $4,000 [19:34] invoice? >> Okay. All in favor say I. [19:39] » I. >> Anybody want to make a motion for the [19:41] $5,500 invoice? >> I'll make a motion. Second. [19:46] » All in favor say I. >> I. [19:49] » And the consumer report for 5335. [19:55] Second. >> All in favor say I. [19:58] » I. Okay. [20:03] Now this is going to be the pay application from science. [20:15] [Music] [20:18] » Yeah. 14,365. [20:33] 14,775 14 [20:38] it's a total 14,3645 payment that you got your retain [20:44] withheld 73875 [20:49] motion,775. [20:54] » All in favor say I. I. 14,362.51,451 [20:59] [Applause] [21:13] minus the retaining $1,7029. [21:22] I'll make a motion that be approved to pay out $20,3542. [21:28] [Applause] >> Say I [21:37] see [21:41] uh course everybody knows David Johnson [21:46] fire and Jeremy has agreed to take up that [21:50] position. Uh, we need to officially appoint Jeremy [21:55] to the fire territory board. >> I'll make a motion we approve. [22:02] » All in favor say I. I [22:08] donation applied. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. [22:13] [Music] [22:16] Thank you. Uh, as usual, the council [22:22] uh usually contributes a little bit of money to the colonel day colonel water [22:26] day committee. And I'm going to ask him once again uh for $500 donation [22:32] to the Colonel Water for the promotion of the town. And that's how we'll be [22:37] paying for it out of the town's promotional funds. [22:42] So, anybody want to make a motion to donate $500 to the current owner [22:46] committee? I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. [22:50] » All in favor say I. >> I. [22:54] » Property line survey of new town hall. Uh [22:59] I guess we may want to get that the property survey down there. I say it's [23:04] probably March. It is [23:15] » I did a survey over a while back for Walker and [23:22] Meredith. >> Okay. [23:26] » We may be able to get a copy of that survey. [23:28] » Everything's recorded. >> Okay. It may be recorded down there's [23:33] office. I can check on that. Okay. Well, let's uh let's look at that before we uh [23:39] jump the gun on that. One thing though is I've been in contract with David [23:44] Johnson's property on you know they to one of his markers in that project and [23:48] we all agreed to get him surveyed. I I called that guy. He said he'd give me a [23:53] price and he never did. I left a message with him again and he hasn't responded. [24:00] So, I'm gonna try to leave you one more message and I said if you don't respond [24:04] in a week or so, maybe we can try and find somebody else. [24:08] » Yeah. So, you guys ain't got a problem. >> I don't have a problem if I need to. [24:12] Okay. >> If he doesn't get back to [24:17] » Okay. Yeah. what we need to do. Um [24:23] [Music] [24:26] the old town hall, I think. Uh yeah. Are we are we thinking about selling that [24:33] and put the proceeds towards the new town hall? Cuz if we are, we're probably [24:37] going to need to get some bids on some appraisals [24:41] and start that process. It probably wouldn't be too early to start that [24:44] process, you know, cuz that takes some time. Probably have to get another three [24:49] or four appraisers like we did last time. Pick the two best and it's going [24:54] to be the average of the two, right? Is that how that work? [25:00] » We got to put that out for seal bids. Is that the way that would work? [25:04] » Yeah, you can you can employ an auctioneer if you decided to do that [25:07] instead, but I don't know whether you gain anything that way or not. [25:12] But we still have to have appraised. The first step in the process is [25:17] to to have the two appraisals done. And uh [25:24] it can be you know an appraiser or some uh a real a licensed real estate broker [25:32] or it can be an employee of the town who's knowledgeable about the values of [25:35] the property. [25:39] And we, you know, I think if it's something that is just property unload [25:45] that has really insignificant value, you can kind of get away with that. Save the [25:48] money crazy. But I think here you probably want to be pretty precise on [25:53] what that what it's fair market value is to guide you on, you know, what is a [25:59] good price for it. So if we find an appraisal, it's not going to charge a [26:04] whole lot. It's not a sophisticated appraisal. And I think Joe, we don't [26:07] need I mean, I I'd almost ask for like an [26:11] opinion and value, right? Rather than a full-blown [26:15] appraisal with an appraisal report. And sometimes the appraisers, if they're [26:20] simply writing an opinion value, will charge a good deal less because they [26:24] don't have the work in the report itself. [26:28] Um, I before we like go any further with that, I'd like to talk with Michelle [26:34] Remax because she actually took extra classes for that. She probably can't say [26:40] she'll do it for free, but it probably work. [26:43] » Well, if she do it even for less, uh, that would be helpful. [26:48] » But yeah, if you know some, I'm happy to do that, too. I I think if we could [26:52] identify a couple and get them to kind of commit ahead of time what the cost is [26:56] going to be then those are the two you want to use. [26:58] » So that >> I guess tonight you're just trying to [27:02] figure out whether the council's ready to move forward, right? [27:04] » Yeah. If you guys want to move forward with that and uh if you do, we'll pursue [27:09] uh get some some pricing on that. >> I do. I think it would open up for more [27:14] businesses downtown. I'm off for that. >> Okay. [27:19] Well, I don't think we want to do that. I'll just try to get most of you or you [27:25] want me to I I can we both can, but I I'll I'll see if I can get get some [27:32] » Okay. >> Yeah, I'll be happy to I'll let you know [27:35] what I find out. >> Okay. [27:36] » And I'll talk to Michelle. >> All right. uh [27:42] deep employment policy comp time 30 minute lunch break [27:48] for example the water a lot something I think uh table [27:56] » yeah we're going to table that we're going to table that to future meeting [28:03] lunch [28:08] Yeah. Um >> what's that for? [28:11] » Well, um right now we're waiting on closing out a grant with community [28:16] foundation. We got to get a water fountain put in [28:20] and um and the trail is starting to look a little rough. Um we've got I've got a [28:28] meeting this week. Me and Suzanne on parkour. We're going to be meeting with [28:32] um Jill and she's going and we're going to call actually we're going to be [28:36] meeting with Jill and we're going to have DNR on the phone with us. We're [28:40] going to be talking about um getting started on the grant, what we can use [28:45] that we've already put into the trail to maybe go against our portion of the [28:49] grant. So, I'll know more about that next meeting. And then this past month, [28:54] um the park board did not have a meeting. Um, their meeting is tomorrow [28:59] night at the park on Brent Street at 6:30. [29:04] That's all I got. [Music] [29:12] Take care of the [29:19] men. Have I open the m [29:34] All f say [Applause] [29:42] [Applause] [Music] [29:52] and we Yeah. [29:56] » Dated August. [Music] [30:02] » All in favor say I. >> I [30:07] make reconciliation. [30:14] All say [30:20] [Applause] [30:24] this transers [30:30] [Applause] in here. [30:33] » I think I [30:37] did. So it's actually resolution [30:42] 20.5-8. [30:46] » Yes. >> And [30:50] these were some miscellaneous trans uh transfers to [30:56] bring everything to a balance. Um [31:02] like we transfer money to the payload and a little bit in the garage motor [31:17] pretty much squaring up above [31:27] water is due to [31:32] the budget. We had a little walk. [31:39] So maybe next year be a little better. Anybody want to make a motion to approve [31:44] 2025 cash transfer? [31:49] Second. >> All in favor say I. [32:07] [Music] [32:12] budget request here. [32:20] And uh you guys got this one table next to me. [32:25] » Budget request. >> Okay. [32:28] » Well, our public hearing is next. >> You need to share it. [32:32] » Our public hearing is next month. I've heard you entered it in gateway. [32:39] » I mean, just >> if you just want to look at it. [32:46] Awesome, [32:59] man. [33:10] recent. [33:17] » All right. [33:23] » And I think I went through quite a bit of trouble and [33:30] try to get this all balanced out. U [33:37] he's asked to for increase for the full-time police officer and u he's he's [33:43] also asked for the corresponding reductions in the department budget [33:49] to help me make up for that pay increase [33:57] down here at the bottom he he lays it out just the way we did it to and the [34:03] total amount required is to fund proposed 4% raise of full-time police [34:07] officers is $7,196. [34:11] The amount will be fully covered by reallocating the funds for existing [34:16] budget line items. Specifically, $3,000 will come from the eliminating the [34:20] overtime budget line item, which as of today's date has not had any expenditure [34:27] in troop in in 2025, and the additional 3,900 will be taken from the police [34:32] equipment uniforms line and cate which I believe have consistently returned [34:37] unused funds, the general fund for each year. [34:43] And that's basically where he's getting the thoughts. [34:49] » It makes sense. [34:56] » Anybody want to make a motion to approve this? [35:00] » Yeah. >> Okay. [35:05] And uh [35:17] well I don't fill this out. I don't I don't know. We got three [35:24] health three personnel right now. Uh [35:30] K didn't ask for a 3% raise. I put this down there. Uh Kyle, was you asking for [35:36] a raise for your department? >> Yes. [35:41] » I checked the budget and it's it's well within the water rate budget and the [35:46] sewer rate budget. It's only since they only make up 1% of that rate increase. [35:52] Um [35:56] any plan on purchasing new vehicles? There was a plan on purchasing a dump [36:01] trailer about $15,000. Plan on paying for that [36:06] pretty much if you sell the dump truck. >> Mhm. [36:09] » And get it down to almost nothing. We did manage to get the dump truck fixed [36:13] today. >> Yes. [36:15] » Except the old >> Yes. [36:19] So, uh uh you haven't looked at that yet on No. Trying to get it all done for [36:27] you. So, there's no other equipment. Uh, we [36:33] have planned on building a new utility building up here for the last couple [36:38] years. We ask that the council maybe look at [36:42] that and next year's budget and uh try to prove that. I did get a portion of [36:49] that money put into the new water rates. Uh, the water department's portion of [36:53] that would be already accounted for. uh [37:00] we would have to look at uh other ways to [37:05] pay for the rest of it. Maybe we could finance it [37:11] or [37:14] and most likely that's what we have to do because it's it's not going to be in [37:18] the pursuit study have. So, [37:27] and the mini road roller. I think the thought is there is maybe we can do some [37:32] of our own patching around here. We can order we can get the uh hot patch and [37:38] put it in the trailer and take care of some of this patch. We have [37:46] whatever we're trying to get done this year. What [37:49] » was that contractor we we hired? to come in and do patching [37:56] » walls. They haven't got to be here this week. Yeah, he said last week Friday or [38:02] something, but they never showed up. So, we should be seeing the same. And the [38:08] salt budget was already done. 3600 bucks for a year. [38:14] This is remember this is just a a uh a budget proposal. [38:22] Anybody got any problems with this? [38:27] » No. >> Okay. [38:38] Um right. you got anything? [38:44] » Um, just the pictures that you guys have of the of the crash. Um, [38:50] I've got a couple copies of a of an estate [38:56] well the body shop here in town. It ended up being a little different [39:02] than what we talked about originally, but um [39:08] Jared um ran into a deer the other evening. [39:13] Um and and there's also um some repairs on that quote that um that the council [39:19] actually previously um approved this fix and we just never got around to it due [39:23] the vehicle issues, the hole in the floorboard. [39:26] Um there are a couple errors in this quote. he has tax on it, so that would [39:31] need to be adjusted. But my first question would be with that total, do we [39:37] want to uh turn it in on the town's $1,000 deductible or just pay that out [39:42] of pocket? And then also, [39:46] if I could go ahead and get the approval to go ahead and get this fixed done with [39:50] Danny, just be a little bit more convenient to [39:53] keep it here in town. Yeah. So, [39:58] » correct. >> 15333. [40:03] And I [40:06] » Yeah. And then I I also think it it would be fair to say minus the 200 for [40:10] the hole in the floor, too, cuz that wasn't caused by the [40:14] » Okay. >> It's just simpler for her to to fix it [40:17] all while he was here or why it's there. It also has a door hinge issue that he [40:23] uh he forgot to put on this quote and when we reached out to him, he said that [40:26] it was his fault. He would just take care of it free of charge. So, for not [40:30] including it, >> I think we should avoid. [40:45] So, if it's all right with you guys, he said that he would actually start it [40:48] this upcoming weekend and get it fixed over the weekend for us. [40:52] » Okay. [40:55] 1500. >> I'll make a motion. [40:59] All >> favor say I. [41:02] » All right. [41:05] How much is it? [41:12] » Yeah. Um, we don't have any power at the eent [41:18] meter. Um, be close to get that fixed. It's about $5,000. [41:27] That's new wire from the building up to the dock [41:31] and [41:35] that roof generator. [41:40] » Yeah. So, what happened? Our wires got cut somewhere on the other end and we [41:45] don't know where it's at. And uh >> we got no power down there. [41:51] » And that comes all the waste water. >> Yeah. All my waste water. [41:57] » Was there do you remember there was nothing in budget for something like [42:03] that? Do you know just having to get another [42:08] » Yeah, the waste water's in fairly good shape. [42:17] You know, >> we do have [42:20] repairs. >> Yeah. I mean, it is repair and we have [42:25] had a whole actually we have had a little bit of sewer repair this year [42:31] up there and it cost us a little bit. [42:40] You know, our operating right now are about [42:45] 99,000 [42:48] 835. [42:56] So, [43:00] you know, something like question got. I mean, we could try to find [43:08] somebody to do it cheaper, but I mean, it's got to be time. [43:14] » I can always move money around [43:19] if there isn't enough >> in [43:23] $5,000. $4,955. He didn't give me He didn't really give [43:27] me a quote. I'm sorry. He just texted to me. So, it's very electric. [43:36] » Yeah. >> Station. [43:38] Yeah. >> So, I guess we just need to get luxury [43:41] to go through it. >> You don't think anyone else would be [43:44] cheaper? >> I don't really. I mean, the wire is the [43:49] most expensive part. The wires that I sell right now. So yeah, [43:55] » where would you normally take something like that out? Which one of the funds? [44:00] » Repair and maintenance contractual. >> Yeah, contraction. [44:12] » It's 1361. It should be 620 [44:18] 1 1361. [Music] [44:22] around that. But like I said, if there's not enough [44:26] money in there, I can always move it from something else. [44:39] Or we could we also can if it wasn't enough in there cuz I was just like [44:44] trying to keep up with this like we're budgeting for next year. If we did do [44:48] something like this out of this, can we can we negative can we negative a [44:53] balance and and and leave it like that till the end of the year and at the end [44:58] of the year we figure out where to move the money so that uh so we know how to [45:03] like budget that for next year. >> Well, that's what those transfers are [45:08] that I do, >> moving money around. And I want I'm [45:13] trying to keep it all in the positive as much as possible. [45:23] How much does it show that's in there? [45:31] [Applause] [45:44] Uh, there's not much left. $58,158. [45:49] [Music] [45:54] » Yes. [45:57] » So, we're going to have So, I'll have to find it. Uh, but I see that in other [46:01] services and charges we've got $11,512. [46:07] So I could move money from there to that. [46:11] » What are some Do you know where I am now? What are some of the charges we [46:15] use? Is that for the other >> anything that's unusual? [46:20] » Okay. >> That is not normally a monthly. [46:24] » Okay. >> Expense. [46:26] » Okay. I just I think this budget is a really good idea. Something Morgan [46:31] Town's never had. I think it's good because then we can really um we can [46:36] really narrow things down and see how much you're spending and everything [46:42] in the utilities. [Music] [46:47] » Motion to approve the 4,955. [46:54] » Second. I'll second. All in favor say I. One more thing. [47:01] Um, you guys had a hard time with $5,000. [47:06] Our perfusion pumps at the lagoon two area went bad. 12 year 12 years of use. [47:14] Um, get those rebuilt and um $20,500. [47:21] Yeah. So I think we'll be able to do one of those a quarter. So what we should [47:27] say here? >> Yeah. I told him that I think we could [47:31] do that. >> Yeah. That's just get the ones out of [47:34] balance mix right >> you know to do them all at once it would [47:40] really deplete the money. But if if he tried to do one a quarter [47:45] » or at least >> every 3 months. Um I we they've got our [47:51] pumps >> repaired. [47:54] » Not really. >> They got our pumps. [47:55] » They have our pumps. >> They have Yeah. [47:58] » Right. Um I didn't didn't ask. >> So what we down to two? [48:05] » We have one in cell one and one in cell two. [48:09] » Yeah. >> It's kind of noticeably showing our [48:14] sampling. Yeah. We're not getting the information that we need. [48:20] » Yeah. Not something that we thought would happen, but after 12 years and now [48:25] I'm, you know, continuously running just [48:32] » my thoughts on it are, you know, just looking at the different funds that the [48:37] state buses have. I I just I think our bills for now for water and everything [48:44] there are. I know we can use some infrastructure funds. I don't know if [48:48] nobody's a big fan of it, you know, because the water company has [48:52] to stand on its own feet. People in town don't realize that that water company is [48:57] a totally separate business. They really don't understand this. [49:01] » They don't. >> And I understand I mean here they are in [49:04] town and they have this one town and they think it's all together, but it's [49:08] very separate. >> It's a hard thing to get people to [49:10] grasp. and our our infrastructure has fallen apart and here we are. You know, [49:15] we don't >> and we do got some excessive sludge [49:18] build up in the pond which is not helping [49:24] we've got I talked to Lori about it. So, >> I was going to ask that because you know [49:28] back it wasn't it wasn't Lori and Jill and it was Wesler I think but [49:34] » those were crucial they call them the bubblers or or whatever those things [49:38] were at the time but Were you sending that? You weren't. [49:44] » Well, they had for these air raators in the lagoon and the lagoon was it was [49:49] pretty crucial that because of the sludge build up that um [49:56] we were going to lose that, you know, the risk being that there was going to [49:59] have to be significant dating done and ultimately then if the lagoons failed, [50:04] we'd have to go to a conventional plant which you absolutely cannot to do, [50:08] » right? And I'm shocked to hear that even one of them is not working because they [50:14] expected to have four and we got a great result when we fired those things up and [50:18] started moving that water and they're radiating better and I'm surprised that [50:22] the lagoon can maintain a healthy level if there's not all four running all the [50:26] time. >> Well, it's just that those levels are [50:29] going down. I mean, >> well, that would be consistent with what [50:32] we were told back then. >> Yeah. But I would think that that [50:35] getting those fixed would just almost be an emergency. [50:39] » And I'm I don't I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to be a waste water [50:43] engineer. I'm I'm sharing with you the conversation was had back 12 years ago [50:48] when these things were purchased. Just to give you some history [50:53] and say we don't have air movement that water is going to make the it's going to [50:57] turn into a system. >> Yep. [51:00] » We can't have that. >> Yeah. And that's, you know, it is pretty [51:04] critical to get them back up. And, you know, [51:07] » we have 99,000 and and we could do it >> and we could pay for that 20,500. [51:17] The monthly payment for the SRF is about 17,000. [51:23] Um, but we have this month's income to get [51:28] built back up again. Is it that is it some of this money though like that we [51:33] have we did that last grade study is some of that for um the next time we [51:40] have to do a project >> and I asked Sharon so Sharon's going to [51:45] try to get that u last wastewater study that we did so because it has been a [51:52] couple years now and I want to make sure I compare that we have to what that [51:56] study called for to make sure what happened that [51:59] » yeah we >> well there be a replacement fund right [52:03] as part of your liability >> there is in the rate study I'm sure [52:07] there was but it it actually and I don't think we have set aside in on the [52:12] appropriation >> so that would be under probably the [52:16] construction >> portion right there [52:19] » but you know we uh >> well but if it was factored into the [52:22] rates >> you ought to be collecting that money [52:25] » it ought to be building up someplace Yeah, it is built and that's probably [52:28] why we got a higher balance >> and if the rate consult did it right [52:32] that these these assets [52:36] » should be factored into yes >> the long-term assets that will need to [52:40] be replaced [52:44] » well how much does the new one >> amount for the [52:48] » how much does a new one cost a fusion pump I mean this [52:53] » if this is fusion pumps There's pumps in the last 20 years instead of 10 as well. [53:00] » Yeah. >> Are these things out there in the water? [53:04] Yeah. >> Just get it done. We have the money that [53:09] we can just let it replenish. >> That's what we need to do. [53:16] » Yeah. I guess that's what we're waiting on in God to give us to give a word so [53:21] we can pay back out there. You might want to make a motion to [53:25] approve the air ticket of 20,500 bucks. >> I'll make a motion. [53:35] » All say I [53:41] » vote [53:46] I fine [53:49] » for now. I think $20,000. [53:55] » All right. [53:58] Anything else? [54:03] » I just want to say one thing. Um I wanted to let the council know that we [54:08] had an issue with the sprinkling credit. Um [54:12] and that um we discovered it. We had someone come in and say that they didn't [54:18] they didn't think they got it this month when they received their bill. And so [54:23] looking back at first we thought it didn't happen originally like in in [54:27] June, but it did. We did have the sprinkling credit for June. It was on [54:34] the June bill, but it was not on the July bill. and we don't know what [54:38] happened because that's something that you [54:43] click in there and it stays until you take it off. Um, [54:48] so, um, I just wanted to let everyone know that there's like [54:53] she's got it down to 113 people that have this earthling credit and she has [55:00] eliminated uh there was 134, but she eliminated uh the the difference because [55:07] of people were had moved out or whatever. And so, um, not everybody gets [55:14] the sprinkling credit even though they may sign up for it because you have it's [55:20] the average of the winter months, um, is how they how it is, um, [55:26] calculated in the system. And so, uh, you have to go over that average. [55:34] So, I just wanted to let everybody know that Becky is working on that. she has [55:38] the formula on how to figure and she's going to have to manually figure. Now, [55:43] the next bill that comes out will be fine. It's just for this July bill. [55:50] And I have a suggestion with that. Um, you know, the people that are getting [55:56] this, they could have been on this for 10 years. They may not even use that [56:01] service anymore, but yet they're still getting all these places. This is [56:04] actually it's costing us money because Becky's [56:07] had to work, you know, over time to try to figure all this cuz something [56:11] happened to the system which wasn't our fault. Um, but I think it's a good idea [56:17] that it says something in there by May the 1st that you you have to be in in [56:23] order to get this, but then once you sign up, it's like it's a forever pass. [56:27] I think they just have to come in and sign up every year by May 1st if they're [56:32] really going to need this credit. >> It seems to be a seasonal [56:36] » Yeah, it's just from May to like the end of September or something like that in [56:40] our ordinance. >> Yes, [56:42] » it should expire in September. >> I I think it should. [56:46] » And they would have to reapply for that year. [56:48] » Yeah. And what that does in the system, so Becky when they would come in in May, [56:53] they fill that out. she go in the system and there go a block where you put a [56:57] number code and by that number code >> um you know she's only probably going to [57:03] have a handful probably to 100 or 100 plus [57:08] » there's people that have asked well I didn't get it but they were signed up [57:12] for it well if they don't go over their average [57:16] » you don't get it >> you don't get it [57:18] » and um so um I just wanted you to be aware [57:25] that that has happened and we're fixing it. [57:30] » Is that something that that um I mean I don't know if we do it tonight. [57:38] We could get on the schedule for next month or whatever to look at that and [57:42] maybe make that one change. >> Well, we would need to amend the rate [57:45] ordinance to make that change. You can certainly make the decision tonight and [57:49] adopt an ordinance at the next meeting or we could you could you could table it [57:53] for discussion at the next meeting. We've got we've got some time [57:57] » cuz you know it won't really affect anybody until next year. [58:02] » Yeah. >> And and and I and I think I I get your [58:06] point dude. you know, you sign up once you get it forever. But but I think [58:13] um pe people won't like having to do it every year. What why that will work well [58:19] with utilities is a lot of people will forget, but then they're going to be [58:22] angry because they're not getting it anymore. [58:24] » But that is one way to limit it and make sure people are thinking and making it a [58:29] point to ask for it every year, not that it gets set and it's just there. Another [58:34] option I think would be to shorten the term of it. [58:39] » You know, I don't Does it start in June or May? [58:42] » It starts in May for June's billing. >> For June's billing, [58:46] » it's May's uh >> but it's the June billing that you first [58:49] get the credit, right? Right. >> I mean, I guess you could shorten the [58:52] term of it or you could cap the credit >> and you could do all of those things. [58:57] You can see you got to come in May 1st of every year to get it. The credit [59:00] won't exceed this amount. so that they're not getting as big a credit as [59:05] they're getting now, >> right? Um, and you could also set the [59:11] eligibility uh threshold differently than it is now, too, to say if you're [59:16] not, you know, if you're not exceeding your bill by something greater than what [59:21] it is now, then you don't get it. So, there there, you know, three or four [59:25] different moving parts that you could look at to get at this problem if you [59:28] want to. Not not just not just that they have to do it every year, [59:33] » but but there are other things you can do to get at it too if you want. [59:36] » Do it and I'll just I'll look at it, see what I think. You guys can share it or [59:42] whatever and look at it. I just kind of feel like it's just ran on and it's [59:46] grown to, you know, a large people. >> Yeah, it's a lot of money. [59:50] » It's a lot of money. >> Yeah, it is. [59:54] » 60 people. One person I think was like $70. [59:59] » And I I I don't mean to make this bigger than it is, but here's the other problem [1:00:03] with the credit, too. Is >> I think they get it because [1:00:08] Is it a water credit and sewer or just sewer? [1:00:11] » It's just >> It's just water. [1:00:12] » It's just No, it's just sewer. >> Oh. [1:00:14] » Oh, yeah. >> Yes, it is sewer. It's a town sewage [1:00:17] work. >> Okay. Then that didn't make any sense. [1:00:20] Okay. >> Yeah. [1:00:23] » But but like when she went through that like There's a lot of people they sold [1:00:27] the home, moved out, somebody's in there, they're getting the correct, you [1:00:30] know, it just so it's not being really kept up with, looked at. [1:00:33] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay. [1:00:39] » See, pointless, we got to get a unsafe [1:00:45] building authority together. And uh I've talked to a couple people [1:00:51] and I've got a couple people that dream to do it. [1:00:55] Um, so I I tried to get him to burn just to [1:01:00] make sure that he was willing to do it. He told me he was. So, uh, Burn Snider, [1:01:07] Chad Buts, and the third person would be me. [1:01:12] So, uh, we we really can't move forward from [1:01:17] where we're at until we make these appointments, [1:01:21] uh, and we get this, uh, hearing authority into place. [1:01:26] So, I would make the recommendation that we point these three individuals to the [1:01:30] unsafe building authority and as long as council locate them. [1:01:41] Okay. Good. Okay. [1:01:45] » We forgot prices. [1:01:50] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [1:01:54] Go ahead and do that one. And we table that from last time we was [1:01:59] here. Jane asked for water credit. And uh you know we I reviewed the [1:02:08] ordinance uh and the ordinance is pretty clear on [1:02:16] whether or not this particular uh bill would be eligible for a [1:02:27] a adjustment. The ordinance uh [1:02:33] says it's not and the council has the ability to do everything. [1:02:40] [Music] >> Let's see. [1:02:43] » Is that enough? >> Yeah. [1:02:48] [Applause] [1:02:51] This is the way it is. It has to be an unusually large field. [1:02:57] In other words, it has to be a field. It has to be sliced in normal [1:03:01] » bill. Yeah. >> And this is my [1:03:05] » build. And the it has to be visible or [1:03:11] detectable on the customer premises only except upon excavation. [1:03:17] » Yes. >> Or some other disturbance of the [1:03:19] property and the result of the act of the customer or any agent or contractor [1:03:26] hired by the customer. So in other words, they had to make some form of [1:03:30] excavation to find the leak. It it can't be a leaking toilet. That's right. [1:03:36] » A leaking toilet. We both pay for the water treatment in the toilet and we pay [1:03:41] for it going down the drain of the toilet. [1:03:43] » All it is is this. >> So [1:03:45] » all it is is this. >> It's my opinion that Shane is not [1:03:49] entitled to a adjustment on this >> and this is for a water adjustment. This [1:03:56] is for a water and a sewer. Is that correct? [1:04:00] » I mean, you can adjust the sewer, >> but water. [1:04:09] » Okay. >> I think she figured it for waste water [1:04:12] » and [Music] [1:04:16] that's right. Water and the waste water as well. You know, we did treat it. It [1:04:21] wouldn't have a sewer. You know, it's not like it was a a leak somewhere else. [1:04:27] It just went into the yard like a garden or something like that. It actually went [1:04:31] down the sewer and we had to treat the water. [1:04:39] Yeah. [Applause] [1:04:48] » And and you know, here's kind of my take on it is that um [1:04:55] you know, I would not want to pay this either. I mean, you can see why he's [1:04:59] upset with it because I think it was like $300 [1:05:05] more, you know, what he wanted to pay. So, there's four tenants in the whole [1:05:10] building and I think the water leak was downstairs in I I think the water leak [1:05:17] was downstairs before they do the flower arrangements. Um, but it leaked so you [1:05:24] know I wanted to mention this in the meeting just so that people know. So if [1:05:28] you have if you have one meter and you're [1:05:33] if you have one meter with more than one person on that meter and you get a [1:05:39] minimum bill which you usually get so say you got four tenants every month you [1:05:44] pay 483. Well before he was using a 41 he was consuming 4,100 gallons. So in in [1:05:54] June, he had used double that. But see, our office is not going to be able to [1:06:00] catch that because his bill was the same as the previous month. [1:06:03] » Still, >> it's still a minimum bill because you [1:06:06] get the minimum rate for each one of those tenants. So if you don't go over [1:06:09] that total, you still get the same bill. So it did not throw up a fight cuz Becky [1:06:14] in the office, she literally goes through all these pages and every single [1:06:18] one of these bills looking for that so she can help people. Well, she didn't [1:06:22] catch it, but the next month in July, it had already been leaking in July, it [1:06:28] used 27,500. By saw that, so she called. So, that [1:06:33] went up about an additional $300 cost. But, you know, the only reason I feel [1:06:41] like the only reason I feel like the ordinance is fair [1:06:45] because I have tenants and my tenants left the pool running. I I don't I don't [1:06:51] really feel like it would be fair for the people to take to have to pay for [1:06:56] that. And at the end of the day, they do because if I'm not paying for it, [1:07:00] everybody else is pay for it. That's how I feel. I may be wrong if I am. I [1:07:06] somebody needs to correct me. But that's how I feel about it. [1:07:10] » Yeah. In the past, this is exactly how we enforce that adjustment ordinance. [1:07:16] This is the qualification we set for and we didn't make this ordinance but I [1:07:20] thought it was fair. >> It was back in 2005 [1:07:24] » reasonable [Music] [1:07:28] decision. >> Is it is everybody online with that [1:07:33] adjustment or is anybody take the chance to get the adjustment? I mean go ahead. [1:07:40] I don't know what I read. It wasn't this we can do it if it falls. It says [1:07:46] pursuant to the code and it says >> how we can do it. [1:07:51] [Music] [1:08:00] Okay. All right. I guess that's adjustment [1:08:06] tonight. The uh [1:08:12] the Christmas tree that we kind of talking with last year at the at the uh [1:08:20] new town hall. Does anybody want to pursue that? I talked to to David [1:08:25] Johnson's father-in-law a little bit about it and I might ask you guys if you [1:08:30] want to pursue that I get back with you. You know last year we run out of time. I [1:08:35] thought maybe if we start while still we can get it done [1:08:39] but it's up to you guys. We had some donation money come through and um um [1:08:46] actually we bought some stuff but Sharon didn't [1:08:50] actually use those funds to buy what she bought what was bought last year. So we [1:08:55] actually have the funds available and could put it towards that if that's what [1:09:00] we want to do. Or we could use those funds just to maybe dress up the town, [1:09:05] you know, downtown and wait on the trees till we're done getting moved in the [1:09:09] building and look at it next next year and maybe Sharon could put a small tree [1:09:14] in in the new town hall if we get the town hall. So, we got options. [1:09:20] We should wait until dinner. That's kind of what I Okay. [1:09:28] All right. uh [1:09:33] microphones. Uh we had a little trouble with the last video. We're hoping this [1:09:37] video turns out better. Uh if these microphones don't work, uh we had to [1:09:43] enhance the audio on the last video to even make it where you can hear it. So, [1:09:49] I'm hoping these microphones do better. If not, we may have to try to get some [1:09:54] good microphones. It's up there. [1:10:04] » But yeah, and that's it. [1:10:08] » And Jeremy Abrams, we got that straightened out, [1:10:11] » right? Exactly. Have a look at your back with me. Yeah. Yes, we do. [1:10:15] » Okay. [1:10:19] Okay. [1:10:23] » Well, I thought we'd wait to see what the video quality was and then you know [1:10:28] like it's going to cost us between about 275 [1:10:33] to around 500. Of course, you can spend as much money as you want, but I thought [1:10:39] somewhere around there I found some pretty decent ones for 275. I think you [1:10:45] step up a little bit about 350 and the next step is about 500 [1:10:51] or so like that. So we'll see how this turn out and we'll see where we're at. [1:10:58] Anybody else got anything other comments? [1:11:02] » Yeah, I'm with Brian here. He's with V3 Engineering down in Bartville. [1:11:07] » Okay. >> And I plan too. Just thought I'd bring [1:11:12] him over and introduce himself. I take care of all the [1:11:18] speak for yourself. [1:11:24] » You're not doing any favors. [1:11:28] » Greg worked for me one point in time, but uh [1:11:33] he he thought it might be good for me to come out and introduce myself to you [1:11:37] folks. Um, I operate the satellite office for the company in in [1:11:41] Martinsville. I live just out west of town, south of Wilber. And, uh, we [1:11:47] mainly run surveying out of that office, but we do have engineering as well. And, [1:11:53] um, our Indianapolis office is is the the main hub with the majority of the [1:11:58] staff. Uh, but we're a full service firm and if there's ever anything that that [1:12:04] we might be able to do to help you guys out, we'd love to talk with you some [1:12:09] more. And um, our director, our regional director in Indianapolis, she's actually [1:12:15] from this area. um her think graduated from Indian Creek and such but uh um [1:12:21] when I tal told her I was going to count she was she was hoping herself had [1:12:26] another commitment but uh be glad to bring bring her out as well. She's a [1:12:32] environmental um specialist and a professional [1:12:36] geologist. Um but uh again we're you know full service firm. We are regional. [1:12:42] We have offices in Columbus, Ohio, Charlotte, North Carolina, based out of [1:12:46] Woodbridge, Illinois, Denver, Colorado. We have an office and head in Alberta [1:12:52] even. Um, so we're about 450 people, but uh for me it has a small town feel cuz [1:12:59] uh you know I'm local, local office, but u anyway that's that's that. [1:13:06] You have any questions feel free to fire away. [1:13:09] » And what is the name of your company? V3 companies V is in Victor and the number [1:13:14] three. >> Oh, I see. [1:13:22] » Thank you. [1:13:25] [Applause] [1:13:32] right