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okay we Trevor the Morris Planning and
Zoning commission I'd like to call to

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order a public
hearing

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to review the progress of the work on
the town plan of development with you

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know boards here's J hi there than you
hi guys how's everybody no problem

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um I just called them starting to
call you have or you haven't I have I'm

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starting to excellent you're right on
perfect few minutes behind but that's

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okay I
apologize thank you appreciate you're

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being here happy to be here as long as
you didn't have any deer or bear on no

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driving
SL if you want some pizza there

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also no
yes

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so I'm calling to order the uh it's a
regular Workshop meeting of the Planning

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and Zoning commission I well actually
it's not a regular as I said before it

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was a a public
hearing the town plan of development

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that we
um approved back in March of

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2021 and I have online I have Helen
White and Mark pet

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sold as board members and in the house I
have Kim

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door BS Veron Florio and Erica Leon who
is in alternate and is appointed for

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Barbara
bonani and of course you're chairman

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D so
basically what time you call order oh it

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is approximately 7:06 p.m. okay thank
you

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at least in
Geor let me switch over to we're

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talking that's this document here is the
front page was effective March 1

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2021 and in here there's a number
of um you know suggested actions and

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such
and want to review

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what's been done here we also have in
addition to um you know just as a roll

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call we also have Janelle Mullen who's
our town

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planner we do know our special guest
Josh lire and we have a number of

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special guests in the audience and was
introduced to two people which of course

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I've lost those names by now there's Ben
San hi Ben s pres moris land trust with

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me are two of my board members Cindy
Ferrara and Kathleen Woods who have been

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shairing our recently formed strategic
planning efforts so that's why they're

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here um Lucas is a board member but and
I'm here on behalf of White Memorial

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Lucas haers thank you
Lucas and we also have Ken bur Renee

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Norman and who in the audience I just
they our regular public that attends

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basically all our
meetings um do you want me to leave this

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or do you plan did you plan me I did not
plan to leave it I will leave it

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I to you chair we broke down the
plan you know this is basically the you

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know the uh table of contents here and
um we'll go over the water and natural

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resources the rural character and
economic development housing and

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infrastructure and we'll go Section by
section and review

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what is the first part here is largely
um uh demographic information the first

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Pages here that I just skimmed over and
this is there Legend to Define different

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boards that are involved in all of
this so our first goal was to

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direct protect drinking water
supplies and I take it we've not held

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the public
education question has anybody held a

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public education meeting in or sent at
least one mailing to share best

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practices with moris land owners on ways
they could reduce Frost rates or help

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protect drinking water unless you guys
have specific things you want to present

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on your your part I would start with you
guys on behalf of White Memorial I can

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just say annually we send out a letter
to our tenants and asked them to refrain

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from using you know per pesticides and
herbicides on their properties

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and speaking as a us paying member of
Bantam L protective Association I do

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note that uh they have been very good
about communicating with their members

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and I think with the public at large
about best practices as it relates

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specifically to Bantam Lake and they
they and White Memorial recently and

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Lucas would probably speak to this even
better than I could um you know in the

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last couple years did a very uh exciting
uh study of the Phantom Lake Watershed

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which attempts to identify sources of
things like the excess

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phosphates and you know they're still
working on trying to deal with some of

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the loow hanging fruit efforts on
that and there is an annual meeting of

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the protective Association every year
where these things are aired so if you

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want to use that as a public meeting
it's not too much

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it sounds like efforts are underway
because that

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was you know basically that covers all
three of them that are on the list here

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very
good I don't think we we've not

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established a public drinking water
overlays no do you have a thought as to

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what that would entail um I would look
more closely when we get farther to

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developing the vantom lake Waterfront
overlay District because that could

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potentially
um speak to water quality in a different

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way that would not only just speak to
public drinking water supply but also to

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the Bantam Lake Waterfront and the water
shed

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okay and and then what is not here I
don't think we have any report anybody

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don't not give me
anything but that's

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um R salt and herbicides
major issues I do get

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there
and I think this is something we haven't

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done and something we might have want to
add to

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our
PO is to talk

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about SL plan so well we did want a plan
so did we do anything to so we address

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as far as our approval criteria we did
actually address this and we tie into

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mentioning the low impact development
standards really explicitly which we

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hadn't done in the previous iteration so
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saying we did do

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that we're actually doing number
one and well the first one on the list

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is we did
um um I take some action

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on here
too I know we did go through

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that and

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um provide adequate financial support
Andor assist with applications for grant

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funding for bam Lake protective
Association and question Shing for

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neighborhood communities that benefit
from the lake

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to to continue to implement a bandam
Lake management plan including

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professional monitoring of basic water
quality parameters which I think it

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sounds like we're do something of that
too but said

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already some fall essentially to track
the progress in including water clarify

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Focus to
clarify um excuse me and Clarity and to

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focus future Improvement
projects lake and river Shoreline

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surveys during the growing season for
new invasive

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plants chart the movements of existing
invasive plants treatment of invasin

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plants and or excessive bline algae not
say

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the the scientific name oh no
cyanobacteria that's not too

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bad and fund and support rapid response
program down Lake protector Association

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to act quickly if a other invasive weeds

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identified and explore develop and then
here's your B Lake Waterfront District

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talking
about so it sounds like a lot of what's

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going on when I read already is
underway on your your parts right as far

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as bam Lake protective has done a lot
which the treatment of the lake

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monitoring and they I think they have
monthly you know or iotic

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um um surve surveys of the lake you know
looking at invasives and

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cyanobacteria we've had staff involved
in that also over the years um we White

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Memorial has been funding you know the
Coalition fund for a number of years um

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I think we're the largest private entity
that's donating town of Morris has

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donated substantial amounts and
Lichfield has started again in the last

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year or two oh good
um but that's that's that's

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positive
um yeah so they've been work they've

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also treated for the Blu green algae the
cyano bacteria bom Lake protective has

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done that number of times over the last
few years and they're definitely

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monitoring for that as that's a a risk
to people that use the

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lake excellent

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so I think we've got going through this
there are a couple things that we need

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to add to our um Workshop
list and those are the two overlay disc

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pieces that we' hit so

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far that we've done not done anything on
and maybe that's a good reason why we go

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through this here and now so we make
sure that we keep our shop in order too

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it sounds like other people are doing
their jobs and doing a good job of

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it or at least a better job than I
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hoped is so far so
good encourage State and lo local

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agencies to enforce rules concerning the
potential introduction of asent species

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of animal
Lake kind of hard to

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uh trap
backp increase awareness about

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about and ensure that applicants follow
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sustainable develop design manual I was
want to call

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that to treat storm water and runoff
before it reaches the lake and as we did

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do something on that as you pointed out
our site

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plan problem like to make a comment on
that one yes please you know you have

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that document on the
Morris but it's 243 pages and it's a

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little onerous I mean I like to share it
with with our tenants you know when they

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do any any work on their properties but
it's just it's too too too much for them

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to to take in so if there was something
that was an abbreviated version hitting

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high points or certain aspects of it I'd
be interested in that something that

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could pass along like a frequent asked
questions well yeah a really good point

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abbreviated yeah a primmer rather than
the Deep Technic document that quite

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hard to follow yeah it was written by an
engineer so there you

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go everything but wants to put a
driveway in or talk about permeable

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pavers or something like that then that
you know it' be nice to have you know

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really
good the full document something like a

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homeowner's guy to the low impact
development

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appro yes yeah that was a great question
that might be more important the two

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overlay zones too
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yeah very good point thank
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you well at least one educational form
or mail Emil information discour to

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discourage excessively cultivated
Landscapes on Phantom Lake and on shine

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areas of rivers Brooks lakes and
ponds remind people and part-time

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residents that wetlands and regulated
buffer areas are off limits for the use

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of fertilizer
herbicides

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pesticides sounds like you do have
something Like Son already said that

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sort of does that but we do have um well
we have over 100 tenants you know on the

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on the lake and um we do have guidelines
that if they want to do any improvements

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of their properties now we have um you
know set restrictions on percentage that

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they can improve and we really try to
work with them to you know minimize

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impervious surface you know plant buffer
plant things along the lake and things

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like that so yeah we're actively trying
to work work with our tenants on that

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well chairman I think this truly ties in
not so much for Inland Wetlands

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commission but also when it comes to
that overlay district with the Phantom

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Lake um to making sure that we are
establishing buffers that could be a

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part of the zoning regulations in
addition to anything that the wetlands

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is doing could you make a note on what
we're going to put into our yeah

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absolutely our Workshop list got it I'd
love to see a definition of excessively

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cultivated
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Landscapes I'm zoom in

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welcome and just to intro to bring up to
speed the person who just joined we are

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reviewing the town plan of development
and what's been done and bring out what

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we've got a a list for ourselves but we
found out the White Memorial and B Lake

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protective Association is doing a lot of
good work behind the scenes which I

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think is a large L part of what they do
to begin with anyway but still I was not

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aware of how
much they do on this stuff which is very

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and White Memorial oops excuse
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um

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so we just went
through we' gone through two sections so

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far protecting drinking water
supplies and two goals to protect bad

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leges water quality and now we're on to
the prime Farm lamps protect Prime

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Farmland soils from
the and we did not I mean we're not in

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any position as a zoning board that
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or adopt to write the farm
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up our regulations way to make it a lot
easier for farming activities to

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occur and to make them you
know you know make them more accessible

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to people or I think there are more Farm
stands in town because of our

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regulations and I think we could call it
pretty close to right to farm and what

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we did yes yeah yeah um it yeah I think
that's a fair

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statement but it would be nice if there
was an ordinance yeah I was just going

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to say like to dovetail with the
regulations and then maybe even to

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mention the regulations even further
supporting we can always refer an

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ordinance crafted by the pnz to the
ordinance committee and or the board of

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Selectmen as I assign

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myself for punishment the
list

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R rack and stack and figure out Things
fall I mean we've had a lot of pressure

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in to adopt regulations based on laws
adopted by the state in 2021 to make

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sure we deal properly with accessory
Apartments um housing you know housing

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basically low income housing and
supporting you know having multif family

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housing as an option for example there's
a whole ly things and there are a few

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things we chose to do also you know from
the you know like our farm which

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actually does address a lot of what
we're trying to do here too with the

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farming stuff but now I think is a good
time to be able to dive into this so

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This is actually happly time for our
point of view Le this doesn't an

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ordinance take precedent over yes
they're equal actually Yep they're both

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on the local law playing field so one
does not supersede the other one is not

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more powerful than the other but they
should harmonize one another

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right and next one is to rank the most
important farmlands in moris protect

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with the focus on protecting active
working farms and

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farmland direct Farmland owners to the
Connecticut farmland preservation

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program State open space grant program
USDA Farm and Ranch act

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Grant if I could ask go ahe Kathleen or
Cindy to tell tell you all what land

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trust has been starting to do in that
area or which one of you want to speak

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we started with a um a couple weeks ago
we went to I went to the assessor's

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office and at least got um the farm by
location so kind of looking for that so

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we're starting with an inventory to see
what we have and Cindy's kind of

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categorizing them and then I think the
next steps would be to come up with a

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ranking system so maybe going to
Connecticut farmland and seeing if

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there's a tool that we can use to start
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we're gonna know about soil I think we
do have some information on soil that

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Cindy has um we got from Dan Doyle and
then look at location probably views how

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they're what kind of if they're in a
wildlife Corridor you know what what is

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it Wetlands yeah Wetlands all that but
come up with a rank a tool that's used

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there's probably Universal tool or at
least one in Connecticut that we can

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obtain start looking at that but that's
we're just in the early stages of

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looking at that we also have a map that
we're going to kind of map it out drive

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around and take a look at some of some
of the farmlands but um I think the the

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information that um that I got from the
S office doesn't match up exactly to

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what's in report so I don't know if that
you know what we have from the

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assessor's office is what people have
categorized in the um is it 490 or

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1040 490 so that's there may be some
that aren't in 490 you know they're

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still Farmland yeah they're still
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farming is another um thing that's in
the uh for ranking so that's kind of

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where we're at we're we're looking at
that we did that in the last few weeks I

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don't know if you want to Syd's going to
categorize them a little bit

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differently or kind yeah we're we're
just creating lists and categories so we

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can kind of get a very specific picture
about where everything is and what it is

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but and I think getting information out
to people that do have farm land about

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gr information all that there's probably
some educational information we can

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offer people that do have Farmland that
could help

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them that's excellent and in addition to
Kathleen and syan with third member of

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our strategic planning we have a fairly
new board member will oir who's one of

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the principles of hungry Reaper he
brings us you know a lot of expertise

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and point of view that we don't have and
we would be looking ahe heavily in this

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process also I would note that if the
ordinance committee wants to do a right

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to farm ordinance they please let us
know so we can plug will into the

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process

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okay
and I just want to applaud you for just

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doing that inventory of the Farmland how
important that work is if there's

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anything that the pnz can do even with
mapping or anything um absolutely use

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this as a
partner thank you and are you you you

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have the um natural resources inventory
that has a lot of good the thing from

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yeah we have a bind Maps like maps and
Maps ands we have a couple

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the you know ranking of soil lands but
it's all it's a little bit older it's

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older start yeah there's that there's
old5 that's the one I have yeah but I

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mean a lot of those things aren't going
to change right

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right and there are some real ancient
maps that go back to

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the 1980s maybe or I think it was was
before I came on the board I think it

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was n so it been mid to late 1980s at
the latest that were very sophisticated

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that I sure there're somewhere in the
zoning office and that's something you

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can ask that's good toony about because
they were very detailed soil Maps now

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have you got any of you guys ever seen
them you would you remember they used to

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be up in the zoning office the big map
that was on the wall in the room over

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there there's a big
map that's when we started talking about

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going to soil based
zoning been a while ago

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but that's excellent
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and I'm sure we're continuing tax releas
490 I think that's pretty much a

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standard thing anyway and I think there
are enough farmers who would not

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would not that Revolt if there was
removal on

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that next one is actually for for that
Dave I said one bump on say your name

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please Ben pety uh just you know
responding to uh Ben in company um yeah

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I think we I think it's good to have
that inventory list I think we want to

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prioritize reward-based systems other as
opposed to punitive or or layered

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regulatory
systems um we want to make sure that you

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know Farms are embracing these policies
as as we have to um you know utilize the

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land every day as opposed to um find
policies that are uh less palatable so

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if if we can look at this as a
reward-based system for behavior that we

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want to nurture I think that's the way
to build

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community thank you
Ben so the next item is preserve import

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wildlife habitats in

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cour and I don't think we
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that I don't know that they

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maintain danger threatener special so
deep should have the nddb maps that the

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wetlands commission uses reviewing appli
there's something that's really out yeah

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so hopefully they they are actively
reviewing that they do map critical

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habitats IND dangered species Etc and
deep has become a really good resource

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over the recent years um to reach out
with enforcement issues Andor education

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so they've gotten a lot better in that
realm so hopefully in L uses those Maps

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I have a comment for that too um I do
feel like Ben speaking again I do feel

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like um we should rely on deep in in a
manner that um aligns with what Morris

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wants and we should also use our own
judgment in certain situations as well

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um it seems like deep might not be
keeping up with some of the changes with

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bare populations and other natural
habitats where it's creating life safety

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issues or other other challenges uh
garbage or littering or just I I while I

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agree we need to listen to what deep is
saying we should also um since we are

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our own town residents we can also
consider what's best for our

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community thank you
Ben um and

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M Wildlife Corridor and moris with the
assistance of the janic valley

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Association subdivision regulation open
space section should be amended to

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include among the purposes for open
space protection of unique and fragile

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areas important habit habitats and
Wildlife

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ORD that's the pnz sessions

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so you put that down yes I have to be
honest I haven't looked at the open

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space criteria and I have not spent much
time on the subdivision regulations no I

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know that's not been a priority either
and that may be something that falls off

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to the next time around when we do this
too but it's like it is let's make sure

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we have a full list that we can manage
and prioritize and work off

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of and and focus on protecting lands
that link Open Spaces by acquisition

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easement or other action to provide
continuous Wildlife corridors and

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habitats for public passive recreational
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and Environmental Protection other words
basically green

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Lanes so we just uh last month Mor Land
Trust completed a process of certainty

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December 2021 and we acquired through
purchase 37 acres of land on Lane White

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Road for conservation there um it was
part of a the Humphrey

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farm and um we are going to be in the
next as we move forward after we take a

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deep breath uh we are going to put a
hiking trail on it for public

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access and so you
know that that's that's our latest

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accomplishment so that's our seventh
property we own now four properties we

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have e been on three
nicew AC I think I don't know I always

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have to go look at our website
don't and I apologize for my naev about

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the goals of the land trust here in
Morris but do you also include in your

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mission to preserve working farms in
addition to preserve open space and

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other lands
that's a good question we are actually

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looking at our we have a very lengthy
mission statement which covers

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everything including Farmland open space
archaeological sites and our bandwidth

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is not as broad as our current mission
statement and we're actually looking at

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refining that mission statement but as I
say you know we are I think newly

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sensitized to the Farmland aspect I
should mention that the Humphrey

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property does have some hayfields that
there's a local farmer hang that we're

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going to hopefully have him continue
with um we all one of the easements we

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own is in connection with is also
partnership with Connecticut Farmland

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Trust on faram farm and East Morris and
Ethan who to has his Dairy bird there so

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so yes already answered your question
fantastic yes yeah that's cool and just

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to your earlier point about
archaeological sites again to make sure

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that Planning and Zoning is aware of
things if there's ever a map of the

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inventory of archaological sites that
are significant in town I think it would

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really help for us to be aware of that
in other towns where I consult we do

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have these archaological maps that
really helps if somebody comes forward

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with a project that we do actually
conduct an archaeological study and it

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then out of that archaeological study
becomes a resource for all of us well

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let me turn it around to you are you
aware does Morris have any

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archaeological Maps because you know
we've only been in existence since I

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don't know the historic
societ I think the Historic Society in

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moris might have those interes okay I
love doing research

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so Revitalize after being kind of quiet
for a while awesome I think for for

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buildings we do but for for like
literally archaeological sites I think

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they're um less uh organ they're not in
a single document but there's a lot of

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tribal knowledge of different locations
that are of significance so I don't I

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don't think we have a ranking system to
say hey here's the threshold of what we'

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qualify as the historical site within
town but there are quite a bit of uh

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books and other collateral that support
where they are what and we have a list

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of historical homes yeah yeah there
that's what I'm saying there is a list

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for homes but not for like necess sites
yeah no that's great information

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chairman can can I mention one other
resource this is

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Joselyn Jos um just want to mention you
know we've been working closely closely

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with honic Valley Association on this
affordable housing and conservation

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collaboration work and um Ben's probably
aware of this but um uh hva has this

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great map called the follow the forest
map um back to your goal here around

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mapping Wildlife corridors um and
Wildlife like habitat linkage

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connections um you know I think I'm I'm
sure there's a lot more work that could

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be done on that but I will say if you
Google follow the forest you can zoom in

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to Morris and see um where they've
identified areas for Habitat linkages

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and just might be
interesting um you know just another

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interesting data point
we have that map we have that map and we

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know what those quars where they are in
fact we had a presentation by to follow

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the
forest Guru from

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HBA uh at our annual meeting in June and
we're always you know we try to

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publicize our annual meeting no one ever
comes very

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sad we do our best invite us I send
money invite us pizza it's on our

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website it's you know I don't
question does anyone have is there any

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kind of a list that that shows the kind
of Wildlife and plants that exist in

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Morris
inventory place like what animals have

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been seen or would that

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would we listed like the you know things
like the hotwood

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tree trees
animals that's and wetland whatever is

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there any kind I know there's I know
there's a

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black State inventory or anything of
what exists in our have a list of forest

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properties have florath and critical
habitats

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inventory
and I know there's a Black Swamp

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B yeah it looks like there is something
in that um on page 30 of the natural

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cultural and resources
inventory requiring protection the red

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bat birds that we

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have so we do have some of that in
there I know somebody did like a 50-year

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study of chickes or Bing the chick does
it say what areas

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they're
in some

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some of the data is
um sketchy

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dated like incredibly sketchy but we can
it's a that's a diplomatic way of

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putting it like like if we follow the
science um we'll be disappointed so we

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should again treat our town like a town
and use our own judgment instead of

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deferring
to internet sources some are okay

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but quite a fewer
suspect just a

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Veronica is reviewing our natural
resources inventory well that's a town

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let's keep moving we've got plenty yes I
know thank you Janelle we

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got I'm not planning on being here all
night yeah we're we're at a slow clip at

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the moment I think we really hit the
high points for especially the

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audience as the next one is considered
the design of Scenic roads the Planning

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and Zoning Miss Commission should
consider a Scenic Road ordinance which

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have adopted Property Owners L one who
live along a Scenic Road segment to

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petition for seate Road
designation there's some information add

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in the time
plan my question is are there property

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owners that are interested in
designating this because that it would

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be the impetus for designating a Scenic
Road so if we're not hearing from

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Property Owners with a real
interest I mean that's probably

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pointing out his bot worst I I I think I
have two couple thoughts on that one is

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uh do we want that does Drive no I mean
like in seriousness I I've had issues of

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telling people not to park near a blind
corner on HBY Road and that's likely to

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be one of the sites like if there's a
Scenic Lookout to accommodate vehicle

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traffic or or just pedestrians I would
say that's fine but like drawing people

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to locations that are not safe just
doesn't help any body and um and so I

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guess something to think about this line
item is what does that do for

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us um is it good for I think we wrote
that before everybody went to the same

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place to get their face on freaking Tick
Tock probably like the problem they have

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been had in Vermont in New Hampshire
this fall they've been like having to

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block off roads because so many people
come to the same spot because they got

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to get the perfect picture so I think
this was a a propagation from the

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previous so this is you know 15 20 years
old now but like we should think about

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whether that's something we want to
continue um doing or not yeah I don't

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think we want to be that popular

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anymore well okay I would consider
taking that one out

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yeah it just required you to consider it
sounds like you consider it you want to

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maybe revisit it

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but but the thing is it's something that
should be on the list we we can say it's

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not on the list and we'll revisit it
when we revisit the town plan yeah we

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don't want Scenic roads popping up on
Google and having 500 we should we

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should just list out the pros and cons
and if it if it clearly leans one way or

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another that's you know we we can take
be a conversation and we have enough on

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our list anyway that would make this not
something we're going to run to in the

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first place
anyway and the same you know like and

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then there's the encouraged use of wood
cable with wood or ort steel rather than

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00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,880
galvanized steel God rails on Town
maintained

431
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:20,359
roads there's nobody here really to
comment on that I that's not something

432
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:24,400
that anybody here can really um have an
impact on I don't think amend the open

433
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:29,160
space section of the subdivision
regulations place a priority and the

434
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:34,400
protection of open space along the
fronts of town and state roads amend the

435
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:40,319
regulations to allow for private road
subdivisions to protect value SE

436
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:46,319
features or roadside views and change
the setback regulations from a minimum

437
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:52,560
of 50 feet to 75 ft from the road right
away or 75 ft from the road pavement

438
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:56,400
whichever is greater Dave I have a
question about that is there a function

439
00:39:54,119 --> 00:40:00,119
for that number or is is that is that
done

440
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,330
idea yeah doesn't sound I don't know
what the number came from sounds you

441
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:09,319
know how I feel about
[Laughter]

442
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,040
arbitrary and again I don't think that's
something we to focus

443
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:22,640
on I'm just saying that's 25 feet more
than what the state requires and the

444
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:22,640
state requires a uh a crazy

445
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:31,520
number and then finally consider a blood
ordinance

446
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:35,280
and bl ordinance could be created
specifically to regulate prevent the

447
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:40,440
accumulations of registered Vehicles
outside storage of junk and

448
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:55,160
I I deteriorated abandoned structures
view from the road we got yep we do sure

449
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:59,839
do and again I think that's something we
will we probably keep on the list but

450
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,079
it's not going to be a high prity item
either at the top of that page we need

451
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:09,760
to strike that
word which word rural character oh rural

452
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:14,480
the whole section well yeah I mean we
can call it rural I mean we can call it

453
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:20,280
country living was the number one reason
respondents to I don't know yeah we can

454
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:25,640
find another way to say what we want to
say USDA does consider us a rural

455
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:31,200
community by their definition nice yes
but the issue and is that the state has

456
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:36,040
pretty much Bann use the word
character and regulations and like that

457
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,520
because it's
very potentially

458
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:49,079
discriminate and regulations to protect
rid lines and slopes change the wording

459
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:56,480
and subdivision regulations Section
6.1.5 strict development of land 20% or

460
00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:00,040
greater identifying inventory exing
Ridge lines

461
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:06,599
prioritize protection while clearly
defining the needs and benefits of such

462
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,760
protection what is the um purpose for
the

463
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:16,119
20%
[Music]

464
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:22,079
um well see that as being you know your
access and and such as that you know do

465
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:27,960
you I think driveways of greater than
10% are an issue and you know land with

466
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,559
high slopes like that your access is
going to

467
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:38,040
be yeah but the engineer is going to
design something to address that one way

468
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:41,480
or another that's not true that's not a
regulatory thing that's a engineering I

469
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:47,880
mean the whole point of the ridge line
is want the protect the views yeah is is

470
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:51,280
to encourage development off the top of
the ridge lines and have them along the

471
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,000
sides of the ridg lines so you can
maintain those Ridge lines it looks like

472
00:42:53,160 --> 00:43:00,000
it's a rural town from the distance
there could be houses

473
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:05,480
yeah but but that's saying it says land
with a slope of 20% that's not that's

474
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,440
not the top that's the side I have
action and that doesn't really address

475
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:13,720
what that I hear what you're saying
that's a very good

476
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,839
point
and you know anyway amend zoning

477
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,760
regulations set a reasonable fence burm
or visual Buri along Public Road

478
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Frontage on the Lake Shore to prevent
against blocking roadside views of

479
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:33,960
B this will protect important segment of
Scenic views of the lake from

480
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:40,359
surrounding
roads as these Road view vistas of Van

481
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:45,720
Lake are important to the state and
local visual assets worthy of

482
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:51,719
protection and probably helps keep
people coming to town to see them

483
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:51,719
[Music]

484
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:58,640
too I don't know that that's I would I
would love to hear someone from Ben

485
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:03,720
Blake commenting on that one way or
another I don't have a horse in that

486
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:08,119
race but I just I just have a issue with
putting regulations on or discussing

487
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:14,920
regulations when there's no one here
to that that it impacts to reflect on

488
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:17,079
it and um anybody else want to weigh in
on

489
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:23,880
it
no

490
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:29,160
um establish new and update current
regulations for docks and floats on

491
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:34,040
banam Lake consider total length and
surface limits on dock numbering and

492
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:39,640
registra and a do and a dock numbering
and registration system to protect

493
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:43,920
against the cation of excessively large
or long

494
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:50,240
docks that interfere with safe boating
cause disruption to the lake shore SL

495
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:53,440
bottom and disturb the visual beauty of
the

496
00:44:50,920 --> 00:45:01,760
lake I see that tying into the lake
overlay Zone um especially I know that I

497
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:08,400
IWC is named as the point here but the
CEO issues permits for structures so I

498
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:13,200
would see them being able to regulate
this since they would be issuing those

499
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:19,160
permits I imagine IWC also has some sort
of overview but with the Zeo if there

500
00:45:16,359 --> 00:45:23,599
are strong regulations limiting doc size
they could confirm for compliance as

501
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:31,160
well so I see that also fitting into
that Lake overlay Zone discussion well

502
00:45:27,319 --> 00:45:37,240
that b BL Point under that makes
sense establish lighting regulations to

503
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,240
protect nighttime Fs in

504
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:46,720
the we have done we have a dark sky
regulation that we put in place that's

505
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:51,559
one of the things we did Do America
busily promoting it well I told you to

506
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:56,440
send that link on the record a few towns
are following the lead and I always

507
00:45:54,040 --> 00:46:02,680
mention Morris did it first Morris did
it first so um yeah that's one and lfi

508
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:07,920
are following in your footsteps we did
too Center those lights down uh oh I'm

509
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:15,319
gonna drive through all my way out of
here it's like daylight in the center of

510
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:20,200
town and it ever used to be inreased the
wattage I guess let get my postcards TR

511
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:26,680
to give that link to
the anyway just a little pat on the

512
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,480
patting ourselves on the back apologize
for that

513
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:35,800
what we consider adopting zoning
regulations that will require all

514
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:40,839
subdivisions and site plans to include
identifying AR geological historical or

515
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,319
cultural resources within the property
to be developed and provided that the

516
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,319
state
AR

517
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:58,040
just the on-site rological assessment of
the impact of the proposed development

518
00:46:55,079 --> 00:47:02,880
prior to the work commencing on
I really like this

519
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:06,520
one
twist that's not really I just just

520
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,720
trying to slow down because I had the
page to pay the screen down to finish

521
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:16,359
the
sent and consider a two three acre

522
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:22,040
minimum lot size with the requirements
of the minimum lot area cannot include

523
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:27,079
Wetlands water courses or steep slopes
this will help to prevent the sub

524
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:31,720
suburbanization of moris Regulation
should include protecting existing lots

525
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:37,480
of less than that size that can be
grandfathered in consider the effect of

526
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:42,800
this possible change on meeting the goal
of increasing housing options especially

527
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:47,480
for seniors and young
families it's still continued at the top

528
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:53,680
of the other
page yeah that's part of

529
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,079
it I'll review the current Z map with
the oh yes this is the important part

530
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:03,839
when a lot size size zoning map make
larger Lots in areas with poor soils

531
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:10,000
this will help prevent septic failures
in Watershed areas with a growing

532
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,079
poage soil based
zoning that is the most logical way to

533
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:20,440
do
it after through all the years I agree

534
00:48:16,839 --> 00:48:27,800
with that then it's based on reality not
on some arbitrary number it's still kind

535
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:34,880
of arbitrary in my opinion but and
I'm curious what you mean by that or how

536
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:40,640
you what I've seen is that soil the soil
based Zoning for example in the town of

537
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:45,359
Washington does not reflect how much how
many acres you need to get a septic tank

538
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:52,520
that would be
functioning um so even with soil-based

539
00:48:50,359 --> 00:48:58,240
zoning there is a
temptation to make the lot sizes much

540
00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:02,640
larger than is needed for a you know a
good safe septic system and that's what

541
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,559
happens
in some towns in the area that have soil

542
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:12,599
based
zoning so I don't think it's all what

543
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:20,200
all I mean I understand that it seems
like it would be more based on the

544
00:49:16,799 --> 00:49:22,640
actual soil characteristics but it isn't
in my

545
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:31,799
experience in other words people don't
necessarily implemented for they just

546
00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:36,079
use the buzzword and yes they B like you
don't you don't really need you don't

547
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:41,760
really need two or three acres for a
three-bedroom septic tank for example

548
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:46,440
need an acre and a half to acre to an
acre depending on the SI the structure

549
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,240
well they are requiring a b100a anytime
you put a additional footprint to your

550
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,200
house which means that you have to prove
that you could build a new septic

551
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,240
somewhere that's not going to affect the
new

552
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,240
addition property your
yeah I just wor we are in two watersheds

553
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:05,880
that's the you know I get a letter every
year from the city of Waterberry that

554
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,880
they're coming to look so it's

555
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,280
just I think as people we should want to
keep the Watershed

556
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:19,760
clean whether that means bigger Lots or
not

557
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:24,599
I well that's part of the B 100a is that
you have to dig down prove that you're

558
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:28,760
you know doing the whole test for where
your where your water is and and making

559
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:37,000
sure you put a septic somewhere else on
your property doesn't affect the ership

560
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:41,240
right and protect Camp Columbia explore
the purchase of Camp Columbia from the

561
00:50:38,799 --> 00:50:44,680
state of Connecticut state budget cuts
in the future could jeopardize the

562
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,079
status of the park and control of the
property by the town would help insur

563
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:55,640
future as open space as well as for
Passive recreational purposes as a

564
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,839
dressable and I know we've talked about
that a number of times in I don't think

565
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:05,799
but I'll see a lot of movement on that
any near time in the future but consider

566
00:51:04,359 --> 00:51:09,160
adopting zoning regulations for
commercial buildings and other

567
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:14,680
non-residential structures
proposed in view from the town roads

568
00:51:12,839 --> 00:51:20,520
especially in Bill
centers encourage buildings of a size

569
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:26,839
scale and style compatible with the
towns rural New

570
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:33,359
England I can't say the word
Vibes Vibes I like that

571
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:36,680
Vibes that's our new word r Vibes we
couldn't do that within zoning

572
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,640
regulations inherent in the fact that
zoning regulations cannot control

573
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,559
Aesthetics so in the event that the town
of Morris wanted to go that route you'd

574
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:49,119
have to develop a design review board
for a very specific District that you

575
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,480
would also need to name so in the event
that you wanted to have a Village Center

576
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:58,079
District and then control Aesthetics it
would have to be an outside entity it

577
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:06,599
could not be the PNC
and that also becomes very expensive and

578
00:52:03,799 --> 00:52:11,079
unwieldy there something that was a hot
button I think that there was an ugly

579
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:16,160
building out there that a lot of people
make that goes back to 20 years too that

580
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:22,119
one was hot but
probably so

581
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:27,839
ild Center kind of
things protect historic

582
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:33,760
landmarks Morris is over 80 homes from
the 18th and 19th century as well as

583
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:38,400
numerous historical landmarks these
these structures are an important part

584
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:44,160
of the town's rural character and should
be wherever possible preserved and

585
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:49,200
protected zoning regulations should be
updated to protect the cultural and

586
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:54,839
archaeological archaeological inventory
as listed on pages 36 to 44 of the

587
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,440
Morris natural and cultural resources
inventory prepared in 20

588
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,480
how about if we replace the word
character with

589
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:11,520
culture culture oh I think they'll
probably not like that

590
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:18,839
[Music]
wordun may I also suggest them with that

591
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:23,640
a demo delay ordinance so in many towns
where there's old buildings they'll use

592
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:27,680
like for buildings older than a hundred
years in the event that someone wants to

593
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:33,760
come in and completely demolish there's
a review period there's a notice to an

594
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:40,280
abutter requirement and then there's um
a study that has to be done so that you

595
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:44,599
don't risk losing these vulnerable
historic sit I have a question so like

596
00:53:42,359 --> 00:53:49,920
we have a house near the Dollar General
the 1756 house that somebody bought and

597
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:52,319
is letting it rock that windows open
they're just letting it sit there and

598
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:57,880
rot and there's nothing we can do about
it that house is going to be destroyed

599
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,640
yeah yeah so I why because they want the
view they're going to knock it they're

600
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:04,640
going to wait for it to rot and they're
going to knock it down because they got

601
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:08,880
the view because I mean this points out
that there are significant homes but it

602
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:15,240
doesn't really give any action towards
preserving them it's nice that there's a

603
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:20,119
list but how do we take the list a step
further that's a that's my question so I

604
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:25,720
suggest a demo delay ordinance for
properties that are or like significant

605
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,440
structures that are on this list put it
on a list

606
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,319
suggest to the ordinance committee there
should be a letter to anybody who's

607
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:39,359
letting their historic home go to rock I
know that you can't do that I don't

608
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:43,720
know we tell them what to do well that
goes in hand in hand with a blade or

609
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:49,640
yeah I mean especially for historic
homes that's just not

610
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:56,040
right incentive for someone to come in
and store a home versus demolish it at

611
00:54:52,559 --> 00:55:01,040
times shipo does give grants for houses
that are recognized yeah I don't know

612
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:05,160
what that cycle has been like but I do
know that there have been opportunities

613
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,520
I could look into it more I think it
could be a nonprofit and they will give

614
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,280
you five grand towards stabilization
yeah

615
00:55:12,839 --> 00:55:24,000
yeah now next section is economic
development and continue enhance the

616
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:29,079
option for plan development
District review the plan development

617
00:55:26,359 --> 00:55:33,680
District regulations moris shall
continue to use the plan development

618
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:37,760
District's PDD regulations to meet the
goals of the town and provide

619
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:45,839
opportunities for new development that
improves the town tax base revision SL

620
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:54,680
updates should focus on ways to priorize
prioritize uses such as un and culture

621
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:59,400
two tourism and loding three Agriculture
and agriculture technology

622
00:55:56,839 --> 00:56:04,280
for outdoor
regulation note the PDD for a mixed use

623
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,760
approach for larger properties and
joining town and Commercial centers

624
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:13,680
there are large Parcels of land that ad
join various town and Commercial

625
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:17,680
settings centers I mean these properties
would provide opportunities to expand

626
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:21,599
these town and Commercial centers with
mixed development use to provide housing

627
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,839
as well as commercial uses to support
the

628
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,240
residents of the development and the
town

629
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:37,280
pznc PCC the plenty and Zoning
commission should review the PDD

630
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:45,960
regulation to see if it if updates are
needed and to allow mixed use

631
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:54,319
developments again that was a hot button
over the past you know decade for us and

632
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:58,960
that's why that's there and we did see
what winvian and American country Barnes

633
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:05,079
brought us through the
PDD and decided that it was

634
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:08,760
actually more than simply a loophole
regulations which was what I was always

635
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:14,640
concerned
about at the

636
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,640
start no what

637
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:28,039
Butler Butler we're about halfway
through the review of the regulations we

638
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:36,160
review the
um water resources and

639
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:42,839
um really oh and the rural
character and we're down to Economic

640
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:50,039
Development and that's right here we
just reviewed the fact that we have a

641
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:56,520
pbd regulation for plan development
districts it's has served us well and

642
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:01,640
feel that maybe it needs to be at at the
time we put this together it needs to be

643
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:08,359
enhanced and it is by having it in the
regulations

644
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,359
to broader application of the

645
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,200
regulation and and as I stated before
just I think it's worth KN that's how we

646
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:22,799
had windin
farm and how we have um the American

647
00:58:19,799 --> 00:58:29,480
barns Harvest Moon excuse me Harvest
Moon they used to be called amican

648
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:35,359
country barns I think Harvest Mo and
um you know those two businesses are

649
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:41,559
here from that regulation and continue
to support homebased businesses update

650
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:45,400
the regulations for homebased businesses
the Planning and Zoning commission

651
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:51,200
should continually monitor the evolution
of homebased business uses and modify

652
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:57,200
the zoning regulations as needed Ure the
building approval process is not a

653
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:02,480
barrier to the creation m a homebased
business that can be conducted without

654
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:09,680
ping ging property
Val and then support fiber the home

655
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:15,400
broadband initiative and increase sale
air coverage

656
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:22,280
areas at least I know that we have fiber
optic run through town yeah Dave this

657
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:28,559
this line item is slightly obsolete now
the fiber to the home part right Jo any

658
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:33,960
EXP well in the S it's obsolete because
it's been addressed yeah and there are

659
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:38,760
other things in here that are addressed
and there are things that would come off

660
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:42,280
the list when we redo the
plan which we are probably not going to

661
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:46,920
do right down I think there's enough
work for us to do that we've gone

662
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:52,000
through the list now that keep us busy
for the rest of the another three or

663
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:57,599
four years and then we got to then we
got to rebuild the plan Town plan of

664
00:59:54,599 --> 01:00:03,359
development rather make progress
and have a slightly outdated

665
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:08,079
plan mind you that we approved the plan
in 09 and

666
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:11,559
2021 and prior to that it was I think it
was like

667
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,119
19 in the
19 was

668
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:19,760
1992
2009 and then

669
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:26,200
2021 and they're supposed to be done
every 10

670
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:32,480
years anyway and then
I think the state regulations did

671
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:36,760
something ENC explore life care fa no
that's something something something

672
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:42,359
explore life care facilities and other
similar facilities the task

673
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:49,319
space life care facilities are
compatible business type of use housing

674
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:54,039
for thanks guys thanks for coming very
much I appreciate thank you and all the

675
01:00:51,799 --> 01:00:57,920
good work you're doing yes thank you for
all the work you're doing you're welcome

676
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,280
and

677
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:11,720
um
this type of use provides housing for

678
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:17,039
active Elder adults on the same campus
provides and on the same campus provides

679
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,920
assisted living nursing and even
Hospital type

680
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:28,319
facilities I don't think we
much I don't know if we want to put that

681
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:33,039
on our list or not
and I just have to say there's much more

682
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:39,319
value to these Life Care Facilities than
enhancing the tax space but

683
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:43,680
anyway and certainly keep I think it's a
PPE dream yeah I think Dem like it's an

684
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:49,960
important to keep in mind our
demographics as we plan um and work

685
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:55,400
through our planning and
zoning and analyze the commercial uses

686
01:01:52,520 --> 01:02:00,640
in town to determine what we have and
where we can grow the tax

687
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:06,400
base Morris completed a comprehensive
natural resources inventory it's

688
01:02:03,319 --> 01:02:11,039
probably almost 20 years ago now W
however there has never been an analysis

689
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:16,240
of this nature on economic development
with sub analysis the board could would

690
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:21,039
be better determine what economic
development options make sense that was

691
01:02:19,279 --> 01:02:26,880
this would also help determine what
changes to the zoning regulations should

692
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,880
be considered

693
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:34,160
that's I'm can blame this one on me
because I've just felt we did all this

694
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:38,480
work and I know a few people tried to do
something

695
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:42,279
with um Economic Development back when
we were doing the open space plan back

696
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:49,000
in the
Arts and it

697
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:53,039
never got anywhere
but I still think that's

698
01:02:53,880 --> 01:03:01,760
a something to consider but it's not
again top of the

699
01:02:59,319 --> 01:03:06,680
list review and update the permitted
uses in the commercial zones the bulk of

700
01:03:04,279 --> 01:03:11,520
the uses in the commercial zones and in
the Morris Pine and zoning regulations

701
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:16,079
date back to late 70s and early 80s
while regulations have had updates in

702
01:03:13,279 --> 01:03:20,960
recent years a comprehensive review and
update has not been undertaken though

703
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:25,440
we've done some of that but just not on
this SE section we're talking about here

704
01:03:23,319 --> 01:03:31,039
the objective this review should be to
bring these regulations up to date

705
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:37,359
including agricultural tourism which we
did and arts and culture related

706
01:03:35,319 --> 01:03:40,839
businesses my favorite one is like the
printing press I think it's on one of

707
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,200
the permitted uses and I always out of
it when I

708
01:03:45,319 --> 01:03:53,079
read or like the motion pictures like
just like it's so funny like you know

709
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:57,760
movie theater you know like can we keep
it in there for laughs no

710
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:02,079
those are the kind of things obviously
where yeah when you do comprehensive

711
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:05,039
review you're like yeah like wow this is
interesting imagine somebody brought

712
01:04:03,799 --> 01:04:07,680
their printing press to town and we
didn't allow

713
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:12,680
[Music]
it I think this had been done in the

714
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:18,039
past by Leon and I think we do still
have that document somewh a catalog and

715
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:22,559
publish a list of non-conform uses and
special exams helpful I don't see how

716
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:26,520
that's useful to be honest with you
because in the in the event that Tony

717
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:31,480
reviews the property he can to deem in
that moment in time whether or not it's

718
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:35,640
nonexist if it's existing non-conforming
and if it's a special exception gets

719
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:41,839
filed on the land record so it's going
to be filed so I don't see why having

720
01:04:39,279 --> 01:04:45,799
having a list is going to help anyone do
anything more I think probably the

721
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,000
reason that they wanted the list was
maybe to protect the people who had

722
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:52,920
these uses maybe that's what I think
maybe that was kind of like the push for

723
01:04:50,440 --> 01:05:00,440
it but it also says to avoid the
unintentional expansion OPP protection

724
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:03,799
more need out because it's like more
we're coming for you you need to have

725
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:09,880
definitions of what exists because that
way when no that's what property files

726
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:15,279
should have for you so if you go through
a street file of what existed prior it's

727
01:05:13,319 --> 01:05:21,119
not going to be easy to find in a list
it'd be much easier to find in a street

728
01:05:18,359 --> 01:05:26,079
file unless you're sorting your
list well I don't think we therefore I

729
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:30,240
don't think our files are very good well
then that could be the issue well the

730
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:33,680
problem with the filing is that it's up
to the landowner after they get their

731
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:37,920
special exception or their approvals to
go file in a lot of times I feel like

732
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:40,200
they probably don't and I even me like
we haven't done that many but I

733
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:43,680
specifically tell them always like when
they come in like as soon as you get the

734
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:47,720
approval go put it in the clerk so that
they can have it I don't issue a zoning

735
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:51,839
permit if they've filed a special
exception and they haven't filed it on

736
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:55,880
the land record just don't issue a zon
yeah no no but so it's like it's just

737
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:59,760
interesting how like you fight so hard
to get the approval and you don't take

738
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:02,960
the last you know it's just arbitrary
Step at then and it's funny because

739
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:07,839
obviously I'm in Thomason now too and
actually in Thomason they put it in the

740
01:06:04,279 --> 01:06:11,319
fee structure where the the for for some
reason the land use Administrative

741
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:17,000
Assistant she actually files it for them
like that put in like the fee so so

742
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:21,039
that's interesting so it's big city
stuff oh yeah well no I mean it's like

743
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:25,000
you know it's like there it's a
full-time position with an assistant

744
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,720
here it's part-time so it's like yeah it
would be

745
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:31,440
tough to do it here you know but
somewhere else you might be able to do

746
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:35,520
it but they're also backed up in filing
that too because it's just like with

747
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,799
this job it's tough because you can
never catch up almost in a

748
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:48,440
sense thank
you assure compatible development in

749
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:56,160
Morris's commercial centers hamlets and
parenthesis we have Morris Center East

750
01:06:50,400 --> 01:07:01,599
Morris Route 209 Route 61 and Lakeside
and develop a for growth of commercial

751
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,260
center hamlets and Morris while
protecting the world character of the

752
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:10,319
area
[Laughter]

753
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:15,039
Vibes particularly mostly commercial
zone areas that will

754
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:18,960
regulate appearance and presentation of
structures all that's that's the old

755
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:23,760
thing that we just talked about
Adventure structur for these centers

756
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:27,640
explore the use of pdds for properties
ad joining these centers and larger

757
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:31,880
mixed use
development ensure small town

758
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:38,279
character are retained when permitted
commes are

759
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:43,000
implemented the special
exception can be employed to provide

760
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:48,200
greater scrutiny on uses that would
today be approved by a site plan it is a

761
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:53,720
tool that ensures public hearing is held
for larger applications or applications

762
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,279
or uses that demand a closer review
having a requirement for a public

763
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:00,920
hearing
visibility having the ability to apply

764
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:07,160
conditions to manage situations that are
inconsistent with the rural and small

765
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:12,359
town Vibes nature nature I mean to be
fair to us when we implemented this pocd

766
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:17,359
they hadn't passed the rule yet so to be
fair to us than goodness now it's like

767
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,359
you can use the word character we have
you can use the word character but you

768
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:23,080
have to Define what it is you know it's
not you know you can't just say the word

769
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:27,600
character you have to say what it means
you know sense Vibes because so how can

770
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:30,440
they say we can't use that word they're
never coming after

771
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:37,480
it having the ability to apply
conditions situations that are

772
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:42,679
inconsistent with the rural and small
town Vibes of

773
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:48,359
Morris way to manage these applications
consider adopting design requirements

774
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:52,600
yeah we C that or guidelines and
encourage building the science scale and

775
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:59,000
style compatible with the with the towns
World New England Vibes Vibes yes

776
01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:02,880
yeah I think there's some things in here
I think we're gonna eventually

777
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:12,199
scrap maybe simplify it a little bit or
call feels feels you

778
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:16,319
know small town feels so we did you know
just for those who weren here at the

779
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:23,319
start we did go through the the water
section and found some things that we

780
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:34,480
probably need to put on our
list that um um and but Janelle's an

781
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:38,600
overall list of what um we need to do
here and so then we're going to at our

782
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:45,040
next planning
meeting spend some time basally slicing

783
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:48,040
and dicing that list and racking and
stacking

784
01:09:53,199 --> 01:10:03,679
chair so anyway on the house 18 and
there are some some good news here that

785
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:08,880
we can talk about increase housing
options especially for seniors and young

786
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:14,040
families study possible expansion
options at elderd housing that one and

787
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:18,360
that's something we have are in the
process of doing

788
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:27,320
done
done check it off check it off your

789
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,320
list Joselyn a just for the

790
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,000
increase the
accessibility housing stock

791
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:36,000
[Music]

792
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,600
byess guide

793
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:57,159
also cannot or to make needed
accessibility modifications

794
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:02,840
that's an important thing nobody here it
comments on it's important it sounds

795
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:07,239
really helpful yes it does consider
facility the creation of a new nonprofit

796
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:12,840
mors Housing Trust organization with
local volunteers to facilitate the

797
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:18,120
creation of downsizing options for
seniors and housing options for young

798
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:26,760
families ask residents consider donating
land to the trust once it is

799
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,760
formed another interesting idea

800
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:34,679
I can I can comment on that if
you hear about that yes I mean I think

801
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:41,880
you know obviously
since you worked on this uh PCD there's

802
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:49,280
now as it says at the bottom a a housing
plan as well um yes that's true and I I

803
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:53,920
I would probably rely a little bit more
on what's in the housing plan since you

804
01:11:51,679 --> 01:12:01,600
know we had time to think more
specifically about that um obviously the

805
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:08,920
Morris Housing Authority right now has
uh affordable homes for apartments for

806
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:13,760
seniors and the new um eight units that
have been approved uh are will will not

807
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:18,960
be restricted to seniors but there will
probably be a fair number of seniors in

808
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:23,360
those units as well I do think one of
the things that we talked about when we

809
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:30,159
created the housing plan is um trying to
have ways for affordable home

810
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:36,360
ownership um I looked at your uh median
sales price again today year to date

811
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:44,280
it's hovering around
$500,000 for a median sales price um and

812
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:48,800
again if you're a if you're uh a family
earning 80% of their immediate income

813
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,600
you really can only afford something
more like

814
01:12:51,719 --> 01:13:01,320
$250,000 um so you know many towns and
the region do have a local Housing Trust

815
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:05,960
organization that focuses on creating
those home ownership

816
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:10,800
opportunities um so I would still say
you know if if there are residents that

817
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:17,440
any of you come across who are
interested in um creating some

818
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:24,520
affordable home ownership opportunities
I'd be happy to work with that volunteer

819
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:28,480
group to think about how to get started
um I don't think think the Mor's Housing

820
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:33,000
Authority they're pretty focused on
rental I don't think they're going to do

821
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,000
home

822
01:13:34,679 --> 01:13:40,360
ownership but just putting it out there
if you guys know anybody who's

823
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:45,239
interested in that I'd be happy to work
with them to think about how to get that

824
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,360
going fortunately I think they're all up
in

825
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:56,280
Lichfield Lichfield has a great Housing
Trust as well yeah yes they do

826
01:13:55,159 --> 01:14:01,080
sounds like they're trying to throw them
out too so we have a land trust right

827
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:05,280
but we don't have a Housing Trust we
have a Housing Authority correct that's

828
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:09,360
housing authority and a land so she's
recommending we try to get a Housing

829
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:15,120
Trust that's well I guess I'm just
saying in the towns that have a Housing

830
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:20,840
Trust they are able to build those
affordable firsttime home buyer

831
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:26,320
options honestly Joselyn I don't know
anybody in Morris that would volunteer

832
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:30,719
to start that committee yeah that's fine
that's the

833
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:35,800
problem it involves money uhuh I think
we should try to get some younger people

834
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,920
as well involved in all boards and
commissions in the whole town and then

835
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:43,159
maybe some of those would like to do
something new and exciting such as a

836
01:14:41,719 --> 01:14:46,920
Housing
Trust well that would be great if we

837
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:52,440
could get rid of the nonparticipating
members right in

838
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:56,560
fours but you can't do that either Noe
we

839
01:14:53,560 --> 01:15:01,520
tried I go it's an issue well we got rid
of one person mean don't mean it that

840
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:05,440
way but we got one person toep step up
to the plate yes there's a couple more

841
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:11,960
that need
to I mean I'm guilty of not making all

842
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:17,239
the meetings but but if you make half to
three quarters I mean I mean J I'd like

843
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:22,199
to look into this with you if you wanted
to yeah I mean if you could you know it

844
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:28,840
doesn't take a lot of volunteers to do
okay to do it um

845
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:34,159
and uh so yeah any if you know if you
could dig up a couple more people who'

846
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:39,239
at least want to talk about it
okay happy to do that and there's you

847
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:44,080
know there's a bunch of strategies in
the housing plan itself around this you

848
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,480
know creating firsttime home buyer
options that are

849
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:55,760
affordable
okay yeah a great idea it

850
01:15:51,639 --> 01:16:02,360
is so update zoning regulation to allow
life care facilities and active housing

851
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:06,719
as described in the economic development
sections the zoning regulations to allow

852
01:16:05,719 --> 01:16:13,719
more
flexibility in the creation of accessory

853
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:17,840
Apartments including allowing them by
right or by site plan rather than

854
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:23,960
special
permit

855
01:16:19,639 --> 01:16:30,360
again do we do this we can do this do we
still have that 40% % rule though can't

856
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:39,480
go more than 40% of
the especially housing I think limit

857
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:45,560
to to we limit toet th square feet yes
that's what we have technically of

858
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:48,239
living space other it's 40% or th th
square feet

859
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:57,080
okay you're saying that probably should
be maybe relaxed a little bit too

860
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:02,400
I think the reason for 40% is to make
sure it's accessory yeah to the primary

861
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:06,920
building I mean at the end of the day
you could make regulations that are more

862
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:12,239
laxed suppose that's how you can maybe
create more housing choice I don't

863
01:17:09,639 --> 01:17:18,000
know talked about that small garage that
we have a yeah no

864
01:17:15,639 --> 01:17:23,199
exactly and then like our minimum lot
size is technically one acre R40 is the

865
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:27,679
smallest but where I am yeah so for
example because now working Thomas out

866
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:32,280
too but like they have a smaller Zone
it's an ra15 Zone but the thing is we

867
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:37,239
don't have sewer capacity they have
their own you know right they do it but

868
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:41,440
nor do we want stores yeah no no exactly
and you know in that zone they allow two

869
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:45,920
and three family homes even though the
minimum lot size is 15,000 square

870
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:53,520
feet so anyway at least we can we've
actually done reasonbly well I think

871
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:58,400
this is probably the even though there a
lot of things we haven't even touched

872
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:03,679
there are a lot of things we have
done very from that point of view it's

873
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:07,639
rewarding going through this work
towards developing an affordable housing

874
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:13,719
plan for the
uh J one on the

875
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:19,880
back 2021 utilizing existing grant
funding from the state thank you Joselyn

876
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:27,920
thank you Joselyn yeah of course it was
fun well and I'll just note I don't know

877
01:18:22,639 --> 01:18:32,960
if you um want to as part of this you
know exercise that you're doing today um

878
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:38,880
but I was just you know referencing back
to the housing plan itself and it does

879
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:46,800
have I'm counting maybe
four Str zoning related

880
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:51,440
strategies in here um so you know again
I don't know that you want to

881
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:56,239
necessarily go through them tonight but
I think it would be great if you guys

882
01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:00,159
add that to your
things to you know think

883
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:04,920
about
um I think that's a good idea I don't

884
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:11,400
know I don't plan to go through it
tonight I would want to do one of two

885
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:17,360
things or really both I'd like to add
them to the list and I'm also willing to

886
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:22,280
invite you to another Wednesday meeting
and go through that

887
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:28,520
list together
first if you'd like yeah I mean again

888
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:36,080
it's it's up to you um there's just you
know there things like um considering

889
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:41,239
allowing duplexes considering allowing
townhouse style units in

890
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:46,679
certain districts
um we did some of that yeah if you've

891
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:50,920
already done it then great give that's
why maybe that's what we should do is we

892
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:54,800
need to schedule jocing yeah no that's
fine I mean if she wants to come or we

893
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,280
just schedule time just go through the
so yeah I mean so the next meeting is in

894
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:02,199
December it's right around the holiday
so maybe it'd be a good thing to do

895
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:07,360
maybe after the new year and then we can
just focus at the planning meeting on

896
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:10,920
that yes well maybe we can go through
them ahead of time because if you've

897
01:20:08,639 --> 01:20:15,120
already done them great you can just pat
yourself on the back and save 30 yeah

898
01:20:13,719 --> 01:20:19,280
we've done actually a good amount I
would say so maybe me and Janelle can

899
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:23,280
look over what we've done and then knock
that stuff like cross that stuff off and

900
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:29,600
then just focus on the stuff we need to
do sounds

901
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,600
good

902
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,440
infrastructure Prov safe and efficient
traffic

903
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:40,679
circulation

904
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:48,480
P yeah we are in charge we
are kind

905
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:54,280
of comes who wants to put in the damn
rotary window

906
01:20:50,639 --> 01:20:58,520
no I don't think Che for the town World
System is to provide for safe and

907
01:20:55,960 --> 01:21:01,880
efficient traffic circulation in a rural
Town such as Morris an important

908
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:06,920
objective is to design and lay out New
Roads and maintain existing roads in a

909
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:14,239
manner that supports the town plan use
land use policies and preserves the town

910
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:19,960
rural Scenic beauty
Beauty I don't see that as being the PC

911
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:23,199
is Le and I'm pretty sure that the
highway department wasn't really

912
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:27,280
interested in doing it as well the
highway department because there they

913
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:32,040
have to no I'm just saying I just don't
think that's anything like we can really

914
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:36,400
do in a sense it's not like we're
playing out New Roads no no yeah we

915
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:41,600
trying to find new you know I don't
think I mean like you know we haven't

916
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:45,840
even had a subdivision like application
I've been here that's what I'm saying so

917
01:21:43,639 --> 01:21:49,679
it's like you know you can make them put
sidewalks in and Roads and this and that

918
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:57,040
and this but where are they going to do
it you know the last subdivision was

919
01:21:52,960 --> 01:22:02,560
with thron yeah we approve that was the
Cur or whatever yeah exactly so that's

920
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:06,199
oh so did they it seems like they
considered taking the bump out of aaine

921
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:11,760
white Road as an improvement here there
you go we did

922
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:16,199
it it's done so we can cross people go
faster to see if they

923
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,960
maintain I feel like they've done a
pretty good job on Benton and Anderson

924
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:22,840
Road I feel like they maintain them
pretty well recently right da I'm the

925
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:28,199
one who got rid of the Benton Road
triangle yeah yeah yeah my son called

926
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:33,239
him up who are you the one who got rid
of the Ben Road triangle so I feel like

927
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:41,159
there's definitely been improvements
since you not many people do it but I

928
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:47,360
live on Benton Road a this side of the
trial and if you

929
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:51,679
go to left to go down higgy Road from
Benton Road you have those people coming

930
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:57,639
around the corner that can't see you
because the hedges in front of the house

931
01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:01,800
on the corner there and you know finally
I think I convinced somebody to put a

932
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:06,360
stop sign in yeah so at least they might
slow the traffic down going through that

933
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:09,000
intersection yeah but it's like you put
your take your life in hand because you

934
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:13,159
never know what's going to come zooming
around that corner it's it's it's an

935
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:17,239
improvement definitely yes yeah it's
confusing even for people just trying

936
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:22,719
like where do you go like that we're so
close guys oh yeah anyway so

937
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:27,000
yeah keep moving and I'm not going to
read through it but it says what does

938
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:30,840
and and that I'd still say that yeah we
haven't really reviewed the subdivision

939
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:36,679
regulations but definitely we
need the the latest one is from 2012 so

940
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:40,159
yeah it could use probably tons of
improvement but I think that was on our

941
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:44,120
list but we focus on some of these other
things I think there's still other

942
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:48,960
things that probably will end up do you
mind just printing me a copy of what the

943
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:53,280
subdivision regulations are talk I'll do
right now I'll do a little audit take it

944
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:56,440
home with me read it go to bed
tonight like

945
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:02,560
read sleep in about two

946
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:14,719
minutes and um I think we been said that
this is another thing that we can take

947
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:19,520
off of our list people to thank for yeah
you know the Broadband improvements in

948
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,520
the

949
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:27,880
area the cell coverage we can keep
because that's

950
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:37,480
so yeah can't get any coverage over by
the oh boy those dump they're really

951
01:24:33,719 --> 01:24:37,480
important I can never get a

952
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:48,960
signal down Washington no well
Washington at's best carefully consider

953
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:53,320
any new sewer installations no well
there's always been an adct attitude in

954
01:24:51,560 --> 01:25:00,360
this town that we don't want sewers but
I would also say argue that sewers could

955
01:24:56,119 --> 01:25:05,520
be part of a Bantam Lake overlay Zone
because you yes you have sewers on the

956
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:09,760
west side of the lake but you don't have
that on the east side of well where does

957
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:13,800
it all go though who's got the sewage
treatment

958
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:18,320
facility okay because how much capaity
they have I don't want to build a sewage

959
01:25:15,719 --> 01:25:23,280
treatment plant in
L yeah but it's might be a capacity no

960
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,880
yeah it could be I don't know I don't
know where they say no to

961
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:38,360
a but it's like
that's the sewer avoidance policy is

962
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:43,040
always been a a thing in this town but I
still say that well it's a way of

963
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:49,280
restricting how many structures go how
many to preserve the bodies that

964
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:52,679
are vies I know when I first moved here
I was like okay now we can put gates at

965
01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:56,040
every entrance we don't need any more
people here

966
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:03,960
out keep Farms here we want to yes farms
and Rural Vibes

967
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,960
yeah sidewalk and

968
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:14,560
biking apply for Community connectivity
or other funding to do a planning study

969
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:18,600
for the cost and benefits of
sidewalks and

970
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:26,239
crosswalks and the command commercial
centers and a bike

971
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:26,239
walk bike slw walk paths or two

972
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:34,080
there Dave there is an active request to
the board of Selectmen from all the

973
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:38,600
business owners and East Morris for
sidewalks interlinking uh the East

974
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:43,560
Morris intersection
there be good they want State thing to

975
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:48,560
get the sidewalks for free that would
fit one of those things thought part of

976
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:54,320
the roadway plan includes
sidewalks in

977
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:58,840
um in Center moris was that corre does
anybody know enough about that the plan

978
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:04,199
for the road for the traffic circle yes
the sidewalk that the sidewalks and

979
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:06,880
Stu some of that is happening and it's
I'm glad to hear what you're talking

980
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:12,080
about Ben because I think that would be
a good idea yeah there is a petition

981
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:19,480
from um all the business owners I think
aside from the extra Mark um petitioning

982
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:25,679
the board of selectman to uh have
a um sidewalk that connects basically

983
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:31,880
belluna to the Mexican place get people
all the way over to

984
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:34,880
um uh the wisel dog and also across to
like pasture area because what we're

985
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:39,840
finding is a lot of people are parking
in random lots and then patroning one or

986
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:47,440
two businesses and often crossing the
street right now there's no safe passage

987
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:53,840
across the road and when there's not a
crosswalk right there then the um lot of

988
01:27:51,719 --> 01:27:57,320
the where the car originates or where it
parks

989
01:27:54,719 --> 01:28:00,840
there's liability concerns so there's
there's some like practical reasons why

990
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:06,800
we need that right now in addition to
just um you know we want to encourage

991
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:12,320
Economic Development between the local
businesses and if you do stuff like that

992
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:18,239
aesthetically it's not it's yes it it
makes for a nice

993
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:23,679
town you know the state road that's the
that's like if you if you think about a

994
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:28,280
bant like Center of Bantam where it does
have a sidewalk but it's also so steep

995
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:33,119
that people aren't utilizing it like in
East Morris at least you know we have

996
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:38,159
the benefit where you can you know walk
to any of those very easily it's not

997
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:44,440
it's not a uh it's not a challenging
walk Ben do you know if those crosswalks

998
01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:50,600
included like you know blinking lights
or any any slow down for

999
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:56,560
cars I think they
um uh I'm trying to think of the example

1000
01:28:54,199 --> 01:29:02,000
think the example they were that we were
thinking about is uh there's one on um

1001
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:09,840
through White's Woods where they put the
uh the uh uh new Greenway and they have

1002
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:14,239
one that's um you know you press the
button and it just has orange flash

1003
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:18,560
lights start flashing and yeah yeah but
aside from that it's not like a very

1004
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:23,280
active system um it would probably still
be able to maintain the four-way stop

1005
01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:26,400
and uh it would just cross it like one
or two places

1006
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:30,520
so we we want like something that's
pretty minimal impact but like checks

1007
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:35,719
the box to say hey we have a crosswalk
yeah right and there saer pedestrian

1008
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:39,239
access well right now what everyone has
to do is put signs up to say no no

1009
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:44,639
parking other than the business that
you're you're attending and that's

1010
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,639
basically done for

1011
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:57,880
liability and Camp colia you talked
about that already

1012
01:29:54,440 --> 01:30:05,000
want to encourage way more accessible
and more useful and TR to preserve

1013
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:08,560
it and support encourage renewable green
energy

1014
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:12,840
installations solar panels of James
Morris Elementary School to rce energy

1015
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:17,840
costs other opportunities to install
renewable energy should be exped I think

1016
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:22,960
we did kind of do something like that
yeah when are they suppos to I think in

1017
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:26,600
the spring I think this
year when they could do

1018
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:38,000
it Sam Lan transfer station
yep little

1019
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:42,000
Sam yes po I'm glad they named it after
nice you know one of my favorite

1020
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:46,040
memories of Sam was during the pandemic
we had to wear a mask I went one day and

1021
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:50,520
I actually took a picture I to dig it
out one of these days he cut a hole in

1022
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,520
the mask for his

1023
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:59,040
cigar fantastic
Sam that's like the best thing I've seen

1024
01:30:56,119 --> 01:31:05,040
all day was great very creative very
creative oh my God he was so funny and

1025
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:08,320
with that we're at the end of
the really

1026
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:18,920
nice I also appreciate J's work on
getting us Maps done and everything just

1027
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:18,920
so you know she's still on

1028
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,360
thank you everybody thank you really

1029
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:40,320
good that we actually did the public
speak before

1030
01:31:41,639 --> 01:31:46,719
yes may I think

1031
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:51,560
name and Lucas was here too right for my

1032
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:55,840
Memorial I wondering

1033
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:03,760
oh actually we can just close it it's
public heing okay yeah you close it

1034
01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:03,760
we'll just

1035
01:32:04,679 --> 01:32:14,520
close is here in the audience Ben yep we
had both b b Sol Ben no I just making

1036
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:20,719
you know obviously I was I came late
obviously no no no we had we had a

1037
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:24,920
actual show we actually got I
mean one of the interesting things is

1038
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:32,000
the farmland and
um

1039
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:38,119
um they're they're cataloging the farm
properties okay well

1040
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:44,320
okay yeah I think that's I and I still
feel the same thing

1041
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:51,000
with the cataloging of commercial uses
and that's and that kind of tags on

1042
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:55,880
with the business directory almost well
also with the special

1043
01:32:52,639 --> 01:33:01,560
exception and and non-conforming users
those also are part of the business

1044
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:06,600
listing too yeah I would look at special
exceptions and non-conforming being more

1045
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:11,400
of like an academic exercise for the CEO
not so much for like a business

1046
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:15,840
directory for like Economic Development
driver I see them as being two different

1047
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:20,600
purposes but in are uses that go with
the property of course they are

1048
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:24,719
commercial businesses a lot of times
yeah that's something I think inherent

1049
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:30,280
in the CEO
responsibility not so much being a

1050
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:36,000
public list okay that's accessed that's
how I see it and it's the onus of the

1051
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:40,840
property owner if they want to support a
pass use of the property and not so much

1052
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:45,159
the responsibility of the town to have
cataloged every past use it could

1053
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:49,520
actually get the town into some trouble
in the event that it doesn't list

1054
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:53,920
everything that it once was okay well
you can't go back to the beginning of

1055
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:57,480
time necessarily because zoning happened
a lot more recently than the town

1056
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:03,320
established
itself could do more harm than good I

1057
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:06,760
got you our regulations 1979 Zing's been
around for I would say at least a 100

1058
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:12,280
years I don't know my complete history
but it's been out probably over 100

1059
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:15,440
years so do you want to break the
recording or just continue the recording

1060
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:19,040
the I mean if you wanted you could pause
it and then we could just just just to

1061
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,800
have a little second break and then we
can just resume it it's up to you

1062
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:25,719
whatever you want to do how much longer
do we plan on going just for my own

1063
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:32,360
I don't think so to make sure there's
nothing on here we need to talk about

1064
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:35,480
quickly no I don't think nothing I'll
just quickly stop the

1065
01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:44,560
recording 539 this is Dave we chairman
of the

1066
01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:48,400
mor Zing
commission regular Workshop meeting

1067
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:52,840
which I tried to do earlier when I was
calling are you taking minutes or should

1068
01:34:49,639 --> 01:34:58,480
I just start just start okay let me get
this P then I haven't brought pens for

1069
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:04,199
anyone who needs them today pens and P
it's

1070
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:12,080
8:39 right and it's um at calling to
order 8:39 pm thank you Kim door and the

1071
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:17,960
board members present in the house are
Kim Bill ALS Veronica Florio and Erica

1072
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:22,920
Leone who's appointed for Bob Bon
gelotti and online we have Helen White

1073
01:35:20,679 --> 01:35:25,639
and Mark petzold our foreign
correspondents

1074
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:33,440
and basically is there anything for a
agenda

1075
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:41,239
review no unless Veronica wants me to
add something no good okay so I just put

1076
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:41,239
a summary summary statement for

1077
01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:50,159
3A um Janelle is going to assemble a
list and we'll check it

1078
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:55,639
twice it's just in time for the
holidays because we already determined

1079
01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:55,639
who's been naughty and nice

1080
01:35:57,119 --> 01:36:05,440
who's and so I think that's where we're
at I think it was a very useful session

1081
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,040
yeah and chairman I'm just going to
focus on the P andz assigned tasks I'm

1082
01:36:07,719 --> 01:36:12,760
not I don't expect you to worry about
anybody else great great I just want a

1083
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:17,000
list for our planning meetings perfect
excellent and that's why I'm concerned

1084
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:20,600
about joselyn's list too just to make
sure we figure out what we've done I'm

1085
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:24,159
less concerned just knowing all the
housing we've recently focused yeah I

1086
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:29,080
know we've done a lot I know
included the mix use the multif family

1087
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,080
housing so done a

1088
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:38,199
lot making property prior got I don't
want anything to all through the crack

1089
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:40,639
this we fig we already took care of I
don't want to

1090
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:48,760
assume
so we have you done we already did draw

1091
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:53,639
some samples of what the
character yeah so if you remember last

1092
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:57,960
time we met we found there were only two
instances I believe where character is

1093
01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:01,239
mentioned in the regulations so it's
it's not as heavy as it's mentioned in

1094
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:07,400
the
pccd um so where it is mentioned I

1095
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:13,239
flaged the last time and the suggestion
it's it's actually quite simple the

1096
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:18,800
first instance it's mentioned on page 50
under light industrial and it just

1097
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:24,440
States uses allow or type and nature
that are compatible with the town's

1098
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:27,360
rural character and if we change that to
with the town's

1099
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:36,239
rural nature or the town's rural um
atmosphere atmosphere I mean anything

1100
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:40,679
along those
lines I would atmosphere yeah I mean we

1101
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:44,199
should look at the statute exactly as
written and then base it on that I guess

1102
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:50,119
because you can use the word but you
just have to use it properly I guess is

1103
01:37:47,159 --> 01:37:54,599
the right so the statute doesn't
actually make any specific

1104
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:59,679
recommendations what the statute
does is it says that tangible

1105
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:03,599
characteristics should replace the term
character because character is such a

1106
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:08,960
nebulous term so it doesn't actually
give us any direction other than telling

1107
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:14,239
us not to do something which is typical
of state law it tells us what we can and

1108
01:38:11,599 --> 01:38:19,280
can't do but not really how to get there
um so I would just suggest uses allowed

1109
01:38:16,679 --> 01:38:23,159
are a type of a type in nature that are
compatible with the towns

1110
01:38:23,639 --> 01:38:29,920
Al
composition there you go rather than

1111
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:34,320
character um because we're talking about
the way that the town set up right

1112
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:39,000
buildings are masked and roads are laid
out so I look at that term as being

1113
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:45,280
composition and then the other instance
that character is mentioned we do not

1114
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:50,040
get to until page 58 and it's with
reference to home occupation we say the

1115
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:53,719
home occupation use May occupy an
accessory building if the location

1116
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:58,400
appearance and scale of the the
accessory building are consistent with

1117
01:38:55,719 --> 01:39:04,119
the residential character of the lot I
would just say residential nature of the

1118
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:08,599
lot and the neighborhood so therefore
with home occupations we still need to

1119
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:14,480
make sure that it looks like a house it
acts like a house um and then our final

1120
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:20,400
instance where character shows up in the
regulations is on page

1121
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:25,880
76 and it's in the plan development
District number one states to permit

1122
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:29,960
Trax of land of considerable size to be
developed and designed as harmonious

1123
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:36,440
units consistent with the character of
the town and the neighborhood and again

1124
01:39:33,159 --> 01:39:40,960
um I would look to that as being like
consistent with

1125
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,960
the

1126
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:49,840
composition of the town and the
neighborhood where we're looking more at

1127
01:39:47,239 --> 01:39:55,239
massing
density size of buildings then we're

1128
01:39:52,960 --> 01:40:00,800
looking at quote unquote character and I
don't even mind putting composition

1129
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:06,599
parentheses massing density size of
buildings so that it's really clear do

1130
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:13,920
that so you so they understand exactly
what we mean yeah of these words nature

1131
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:19,639
Vibes yeah yes um so so I would suggest
that we just say composition parentheses

1132
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:24,679
massing density lot size building size
um in parenthesis for that final

1133
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:27,679
instance that character gets reference
and that's it we only mentioned it three

1134
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:34,199
times in the
regulations so it's not too

1135
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:40,040
bad poke heads a little next time um we
do do another substantive change with

1136
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:44,320
the regulations I'll make note so that
we carry this over because this is a

1137
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:49,040
pretty small change but if we have
another public hearing public hearing

1138
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:54,119
yeah yeah yeah just to eliminate the use
of character

1139
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:59,119
yes and that's all I have for four 4 a
thank you for

1140
01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:03,520
4B I know we did the survey is that
that's done with right so yeah the

1141
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:08,360
survey has gone out I sent a link to
Tony so he could share the data you want

1142
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:14,000
to email that to everyone that would be
ideal the takeaway from all the data

1143
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:19,960
essentially is status quo do nothing
they are not a problem um so that was

1144
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:27,880
there are 33 survey respondents and the
general consensus was nothing to note as

1145
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:33,639
a problem not um a big concern and not
to take major action immediately have

1146
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:38,679
there only like 10 airbnbs so it would
be even if they all filled it out it

1147
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:38,679
would only be

1148
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:47,400
33% um I just want to make sure that
Tony if you are okay with just sharing

1149
01:41:45,639 --> 01:41:50,800
that link to yeah I'll share yeah I just
got it

1150
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:54,639
yesterday the people that have the
airbnbs were the ones suring oh no no

1151
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:59,480
we're not no no that's not what we that
was the joke that's the joke that was

1152
01:41:56,119 --> 01:42:03,320
the joke Ser well was posted on the
website the mor homepage the point is

1153
01:42:01,599 --> 01:42:07,800
there a way to cross reference and find
out if the people who responded are

1154
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:12,840
Airbnb owners they had to list their
address there you go yeah well I don't

1155
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:18,280
have that information and again it's a
relatively small so Survey Monkey for

1156
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:22,400
everyone to also know it's not as user
friendly as it used to be they're now

1157
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:27,960
charging a lot more so if you get more
than 25 respondents and you want to look

1158
01:42:25,719 --> 01:42:32,280
at it and analyze it further I can look
at it as the administrator but I can't

1159
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:36,400
share it with everyone unless I pay
money which is obnoxious and I didn't

1160
01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:41,040
think we were going to do a lot of
surveys if we were going to do a lot of

1161
01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:45,520
surveys I would have opted in to pay um
but I can look at all the property

1162
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:51,560
owners and I can create a list for next
time of just who's responded 33 people

1163
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:55,280
out of a town of this population it's
not an overwhelming response

1164
01:42:53,679 --> 01:43:00,639
granted it was posted on the town
website not a heavily trafficked web

1165
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:05,880
page so if we really wanted a more
robust reading from Town's people I

1166
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:10,679
would definitely suggest a larger
campaign of like going around to local

1167
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:17,480
businesses and making sure there's a QR
code to the survey at the at the time

1168
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:22,880
that we put out this survey it didn't
strike me as being like of an immediate

1169
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:28,080
need that we get a ton of responses but
if we change directions and we do think

1170
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:33,679
getting a broader swath of residents
response we'll definitely have to go

1171
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:38,400
about it in a broader way um just
because we're not all perusing Town

1172
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:44,199
websites regularly Tucker in course I'm
telling you it was funny when I was I

1173
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:51,679
left meeting last
night on a horse with a QR code on your

1174
01:43:48,679 --> 01:43:56,400
back SP out the pz
survey so discuss it in more detail at

1175
01:43:54,360 --> 01:44:06,080
our next yeah we want to get more
information everyone and we can skip or

1176
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:11,000
c d w well wow then we can talk about
5A was your

1177
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:17,400
T
up what do you board membership we GNA

1178
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:21,800
talk about 5 we should probably skip it
yeah tonight yeah I'm skipping it

1179
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:25,360
tonight no problem then well maybe what
I'll try to do is reach out to people

1180
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:30,239
who want to join I know Ken's interested
maybe see if they want to come to the

1181
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:36,639
next December meeting sounds like a
sounds like a great

1182
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:41,159
plan so I don't know what do you want to
talk

1183
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:41,159
about I

1184
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:53,520
would the regular meeting of the Morris
Planning and Zoning commission November

1185
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:57,400
20th 2024 at 8:49 p.m. I second it
and I'll just call the question I'm not

1186
01:44:55,320 --> 01:45:03,320
going to give a line item I mean a roll
call quote all those in favor

1187
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:06,760
yeah
extensions motion

1188
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:19,679
Carri meeting is been close at
approximately 8:49 p.m. on Wednesday

1189
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:19,679
member 2024

1190
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:31,040
who knows so
sad I