[0:07] okay we Trevor the Morris Planning and
Zoning commission I'd like to call to
[0:11] order a public
hearing
[0:16] to review the progress of the work on
the town plan of development with you
[0:23] know boards here's J hi there than you
hi guys how's everybody no problem
[0:31] um I just called them starting to
call you have or you haven't I have I'm
[0:36] starting to excellent you're right on
perfect few minutes behind but that's
[0:41] okay I
apologize thank you appreciate you're
[0:44] being here happy to be here as long as
you didn't have any deer or bear on no
[0:49] driving
SL if you want some pizza there
[0:57] also no
yes
[1:01] so I'm calling to order the uh it's a
regular Workshop meeting of the Planning
[1:07] and Zoning commission I well actually
it's not a regular as I said before it
[1:12] was a a public
hearing the town plan of development
[1:17] that we
um approved back in March of
[1:24] 2021 and I have online I have Helen
White and Mark pet
[1:30] sold as board members and in the house I
have Kim
[1:37] door BS Veron Florio and Erica Leon who
is in alternate and is appointed for
[1:44] Barbara
bonani and of course you're chairman
[1:48] D so
basically what time you call order oh it
[1:55] is approximately 7:06 p.m. okay thank
you
[2:00] at least in
Geor let me switch over to we're
[2:08] talking that's this document here is the
front page was effective March 1
[2:15] 2021 and in here there's a number
of um you know suggested actions and
[2:25] such
and want to review
[2:30] what's been done here we also have in
addition to um you know just as a roll
[2:35] call we also have Janelle Mullen who's
our town
[2:39] planner we do know our special guest
Josh lire and we have a number of
[2:44] special guests in the audience and was
introduced to two people which of course
[2:50] I've lost those names by now there's Ben
San hi Ben s pres moris land trust with
[2:56] me are two of my board members Cindy
Ferrara and Kathleen Woods who have been
[2:59] shairing our recently formed strategic
planning efforts so that's why they're
[3:04] here um Lucas is a board member but and
I'm here on behalf of White Memorial
[3:09] Lucas haers thank you
Lucas and we also have Ken bur Renee
[3:14] Norman and who in the audience I just
they our regular public that attends
[3:22] basically all our
meetings um do you want me to leave this
[3:27] or do you plan did you plan me I did not
plan to leave it I will leave it
[3:32] I to you chair we broke down the
plan you know this is basically the you
[3:41] know the uh table of contents here and
um we'll go over the water and natural
[3:48] resources the rural character and
economic development housing and
[3:53] infrastructure and we'll go Section by
section and review
[3:59] what is the first part here is largely
um uh demographic information the first
[4:07] Pages here that I just skimmed over and
this is there Legend to Define different
[4:14] boards that are involved in all of
this so our first goal was to
[4:22] direct protect drinking water
supplies and I take it we've not held
[4:29] the public
education question has anybody held a
[4:34] public education meeting in or sent at
least one mailing to share best
[4:38] practices with moris land owners on ways
they could reduce Frost rates or help
[4:43] protect drinking water unless you guys
have specific things you want to present
[4:48] on your your part I would start with you
guys on behalf of White Memorial I can
[4:52] just say annually we send out a letter
to our tenants and asked them to refrain
[4:56] from using you know per pesticides and
herbicides on their properties
[5:01] and speaking as a us paying member of
Bantam L protective Association I do
[5:07] note that uh they have been very good
about communicating with their members
[5:12] and I think with the public at large
about best practices as it relates
[5:16] specifically to Bantam Lake and they
they and White Memorial recently and
[5:22] Lucas would probably speak to this even
better than I could um you know in the
[5:27] last couple years did a very uh exciting
uh study of the Phantom Lake Watershed
[5:35] which attempts to identify sources of
things like the excess
[5:40] phosphates and you know they're still
working on trying to deal with some of
[5:45] the loow hanging fruit efforts on
that and there is an annual meeting of
[5:52] the protective Association every year
where these things are aired so if you
[5:56] want to use that as a public meeting
it's not too much
[6:01] it sounds like efforts are underway
because that
[6:04] was you know basically that covers all
three of them that are on the list here
[6:10] very
good I don't think we we've not
[6:13] established a public drinking water
overlays no do you have a thought as to
[6:19] what that would entail um I would look
more closely when we get farther to
[6:24] developing the vantom lake Waterfront
overlay District because that could
[6:28] potentially
um speak to water quality in a different
[6:33] way that would not only just speak to
public drinking water supply but also to
[6:38] the Bantam Lake Waterfront and the water
shed
[6:45] okay and and then what is not here I
don't think we have any report anybody
[6:52] don't not give me
anything but that's
[6:56] um R salt and herbicides
major issues I do get
[7:04] there
and I think this is something we haven't
[7:08] done and something we might have want to
add to
[7:13] our
PO is to talk
[7:21] about SL plan so well we did want a plan
so did we do anything to so we address
[7:28] as far as our approval criteria we did
actually address this and we tie into
[7:33] mentioning the low impact development
standards really explicitly which we
[7:37] hadn't done in the previous iteration so
I would actually check that box as
[7:42] saying we did do
[7:50] that we're actually doing number
one and well the first one on the list
[7:58] is we did
um um I take some action
[8:04] on here
too I know we did go through
[8:11] that and
[8:16] um provide adequate financial support
Andor assist with applications for grant
[8:22] funding for bam Lake protective
Association and question Shing for
[8:26] neighborhood communities that benefit
from the lake
[8:30] to to continue to implement a bandam
Lake management plan including
[8:36] professional monitoring of basic water
quality parameters which I think it
[8:39] sounds like we're do something of that
too but said
[8:43] already some fall essentially to track
the progress in including water clarify
[8:50] Focus to
clarify um excuse me and Clarity and to
[8:55] focus future Improvement
projects lake and river Shoreline
[9:00] surveys during the growing season for
new invasive
[9:03] plants chart the movements of existing
invasive plants treatment of invasin
[9:09] plants and or excessive bline algae not
say
[9:15] the the scientific name oh no
cyanobacteria that's not too
[9:22] bad and fund and support rapid response
program down Lake protector Association
[9:28] to act quickly if a other invasive weeds
[9:34] identified and explore develop and then
here's your B Lake Waterfront District
[9:40] talking
about so it sounds like a lot of what's
[9:44] going on when I read already is
underway on your your parts right as far
[9:50] as bam Lake protective has done a lot
which the treatment of the lake
[9:54] monitoring and they I think they have
monthly you know or iotic
[10:00] um um surve surveys of the lake you know
looking at invasives and
[10:06] cyanobacteria we've had staff involved
in that also over the years um we White
[10:13] Memorial has been funding you know the
Coalition fund for a number of years um
[10:19] I think we're the largest private entity
that's donating town of Morris has
[10:24] donated substantial amounts and
Lichfield has started again in the last
[10:27] year or two oh good
um but that's that's that's
[10:32] positive
um yeah so they've been work they've
[10:37] also treated for the Blu green algae the
cyano bacteria bom Lake protective has
[10:41] done that number of times over the last
few years and they're definitely
[10:45] monitoring for that as that's a a risk
to people that use the
[10:51] lake excellent
[11:00] so I think we've got going through this
there are a couple things that we need
[11:04] to add to our um Workshop
list and those are the two overlay disc
[11:13] pieces that we' hit so
[11:16] far that we've done not done anything on
and maybe that's a good reason why we go
[11:22] through this here and now so we make
sure that we keep our shop in order too
[11:28] it sounds like other people are doing
their jobs and doing a good job of
[11:35] it or at least a better job than I
had
[11:41] hoped is so far so
good encourage State and lo local
[11:47] agencies to enforce rules concerning the
potential introduction of asent species
[11:52] of animal
Lake kind of hard to
[11:57] uh trap
backp increase awareness about
[12:02] about and ensure that applicants follow
the low income excuse me low impact
[12:10] sustainable develop design manual I was
want to call
[12:15] that to treat storm water and runoff
before it reaches the lake and as we did
[12:21] do something on that as you pointed out
our site
[12:26] plan problem like to make a comment on
that one yes please you know you have
[12:32] that document on the
Morris but it's 243 pages and it's a
[12:38] little onerous I mean I like to share it
with with our tenants you know when they
[12:42] do any any work on their properties but
it's just it's too too too much for them
[12:48] to to take in so if there was something
that was an abbreviated version hitting
[12:52] high points or certain aspects of it I'd
be interested in that something that
[12:56] could pass along like a frequent asked
questions well yeah a really good point
[13:03] abbreviated yeah a primmer rather than
the Deep Technic document that quite
[13:10] hard to follow yeah it was written by an
engineer so there you
[13:14] go everything but wants to put a
driveway in or talk about permeable
[13:19] pavers or something like that then that
you know it' be nice to have you know
[13:22] really
good the full document something like a
[13:26] homeowner's guy to the low impact
development
[13:30] appro yes yeah that was a great question
that might be more important the two
[13:34] overlay zones too
[Music]
[13:41] yeah very good point thank
[Music]
[13:50] you well at least one educational form
or mail Emil information discour to
[13:56] discourage excessively cultivated
Landscapes on Phantom Lake and on shine
[14:02] areas of rivers Brooks lakes and
ponds remind people and part-time
[14:10] residents that wetlands and regulated
buffer areas are off limits for the use
[14:16] of fertilizer
herbicides
[14:20] and
[14:25] pesticides sounds like you do have
something Like Son already said that
[14:31] sort of does that but we do have um well
we have over 100 tenants you know on the
[14:36] on the lake and um we do have guidelines
that if they want to do any improvements
[14:41] of their properties now we have um you
know set restrictions on percentage that
[14:47] they can improve and we really try to
work with them to you know minimize
[14:51] impervious surface you know plant buffer
plant things along the lake and things
[14:55] like that so yeah we're actively trying
to work work with our tenants on that
[15:00] well chairman I think this truly ties in
not so much for Inland Wetlands
[15:05] commission but also when it comes to
that overlay district with the Phantom
[15:09] Lake um to making sure that we are
establishing buffers that could be a
[15:15] part of the zoning regulations in
addition to anything that the wetlands
[15:20] is doing could you make a note on what
we're going to put into our yeah
[15:25] absolutely our Workshop list got it I'd
love to see a definition of excessively
[15:31] cultivated
[Laughter]
[15:48] Landscapes I'm zoom in
[15:56] [Music]
[16:03] welcome and just to intro to bring up to
speed the person who just joined we are
[16:10] reviewing the town plan of development
and what's been done and bring out what
[16:17] we've got a a list for ourselves but we
found out the White Memorial and B Lake
[16:23] protective Association is doing a lot of
good work behind the scenes which I
[16:28] think is a large L part of what they do
to begin with anyway but still I was not
[16:33] aware of how
much they do on this stuff which is very
[16:39] and White Memorial oops excuse
me and
[16:45] um
[16:50] so we just went
through we' gone through two sections so
[16:55] far protecting drinking water
supplies and two goals to protect bad
[17:00] leges water quality and now we're on to
the prime Farm lamps protect Prime
[17:06] Farmland soils from
the and we did not I mean we're not in
[17:13] any position as a zoning board that
would be
[17:16] or adopt to write the farm
ordance but I think we kind of cleaned
[17:22] up our regulations way to make it a lot
easier for farming activities to
[17:30] occur and to make them you
know you know make them more accessible
[17:36] to people or I think there are more Farm
stands in town because of our
[17:41] regulations and I think we could call it
pretty close to right to farm and what
[17:45] we did yes yeah yeah um it yeah I think
that's a fair
[17:53] statement but it would be nice if there
was an ordinance yeah I was just going
[17:57] to say like to dovetail with the
regulations and then maybe even to
[18:01] mention the regulations even further
supporting we can always refer an
[18:07] ordinance crafted by the pnz to the
ordinance committee and or the board of
[18:15] Selectmen as I assign
[18:20] myself for punishment the
list
[18:25] R rack and stack and figure out Things
fall I mean we've had a lot of pressure
[18:32] in to adopt regulations based on laws
adopted by the state in 2021 to make
[18:40] sure we deal properly with accessory
Apartments um housing you know housing
[18:47] basically low income housing and
supporting you know having multif family
[18:52] housing as an option for example there's
a whole ly things and there are a few
[18:57] things we chose to do also you know from
the you know like our farm which
[19:03] actually does address a lot of what
we're trying to do here too with the
[19:07] farming stuff but now I think is a good
time to be able to dive into this so
[19:12] This is actually happly time for our
point of view Le this doesn't an
[19:17] ordinance take precedent over yes
they're equal actually Yep they're both
[19:21] on the local law playing field so one
does not supersede the other one is not
[19:26] more powerful than the other but they
should harmonize one another
[19:45] right and next one is to rank the most
important farmlands in moris protect
[19:50] with the focus on protecting active
working farms and
[19:54] farmland direct Farmland owners to the
Connecticut farmland preservation
[19:59] program State open space grant program
USDA Farm and Ranch act
[20:09] Grant if I could ask go ahe Kathleen or
Cindy to tell tell you all what land
[20:16] trust has been starting to do in that
area or which one of you want to speak
[20:21] we started with a um a couple weeks ago
we went to I went to the assessor's
[20:25] office and at least got um the farm by
location so kind of looking for that so
[20:31] we're starting with an inventory to see
what we have and Cindy's kind of
[20:35] categorizing them and then I think the
next steps would be to come up with a
[20:39] ranking system so maybe going to
Connecticut farmland and seeing if
[20:43] there's a tool that we can use to start
ranking by you know I don't know if
[20:47] we're gonna know about soil I think we
do have some information on soil that
[20:50] Cindy has um we got from Dan Doyle and
then look at location probably views how
[20:58] they're what kind of if they're in a
wildlife Corridor you know what what is
[21:01] it Wetlands yeah Wetlands all that but
come up with a rank a tool that's used
[21:07] there's probably Universal tool or at
least one in Connecticut that we can
[21:10] obtain start looking at that but that's
we're just in the early stages of
[21:14] looking at that we also have a map that
we're going to kind of map it out drive
[21:17] around and take a look at some of some
of the farmlands but um I think the the
[21:22] information that um that I got from the
S office doesn't match up exactly to
[21:28] what's in report so I don't know if that
you know what we have from the
[21:32] assessor's office is what people have
categorized in the um is it 490 or
[21:38] 1040 490 so that's there may be some
that aren't in 490 you know they're
[21:44] still Farmland yeah they're still
Farmland so then also what they're
[21:47] farming is another um thing that's in
the uh for ranking so that's kind of
[21:52] where we're at we're we're looking at
that we did that in the last few weeks I
[21:55] don't know if you want to Syd's going to
categorize them a little bit
[21:59] differently or kind yeah we're we're
just creating lists and categories so we
[22:04] can kind of get a very specific picture
about where everything is and what it is
[22:10] but and I think getting information out
to people that do have farm land about
[22:15] gr information all that there's probably
some educational information we can
[22:19] offer people that do have Farmland that
could help
[22:23] them that's excellent and in addition to
Kathleen and syan with third member of
[22:29] our strategic planning we have a fairly
new board member will oir who's one of
[22:33] the principles of hungry Reaper he
brings us you know a lot of expertise
[22:38] and point of view that we don't have and
we would be looking ahe heavily in this
[22:44] process also I would note that if the
ordinance committee wants to do a right
[22:47] to farm ordinance they please let us
know so we can plug will into the
[22:51] process
[22:53] okay
and I just want to applaud you for just
[22:58] doing that inventory of the Farmland how
important that work is if there's
[23:03] anything that the pnz can do even with
mapping or anything um absolutely use
[23:10] this as a
partner thank you and are you you you
[23:15] have the um natural resources inventory
that has a lot of good the thing from
[23:22] yeah we have a bind Maps like maps and
Maps ands we have a couple
[23:29] the you know ranking of soil lands but
it's all it's a little bit older it's
[23:33] older start yeah there's that there's
old5 that's the one I have yeah but I
[23:39] mean a lot of those things aren't going
to change right
[23:42] right and there are some real ancient
maps that go back to
[23:46] the 1980s maybe or I think it was was
before I came on the board I think it
[23:52] was n so it been mid to late 1980s at
the latest that were very sophisticated
[24:01] that I sure there're somewhere in the
zoning office and that's something you
[24:05] can ask that's good toony about because
they were very detailed soil Maps now
[24:11] have you got any of you guys ever seen
them you would you remember they used to
[24:14] be up in the zoning office the big map
that was on the wall in the room over
[24:19] there there's a big
map that's when we started talking about
[24:23] going to soil based
zoning been a while ago
[24:29] but that's excellent
that's
[24:34] and I'm sure we're continuing tax releas
490 I think that's pretty much a
[24:39] standard thing anyway and I think there
are enough farmers who would not
[24:45] would not that Revolt if there was
removal on
[24:53] that next one is actually for for that
Dave I said one bump on say your name
[24:59] please Ben pety uh just you know
responding to uh Ben in company um yeah
[25:06] I think we I think it's good to have
that inventory list I think we want to
[25:09] prioritize reward-based systems other as
opposed to punitive or or layered
[25:15] regulatory
systems um we want to make sure that you
[25:19] know Farms are embracing these policies
as as we have to um you know utilize the
[25:27] land every day as opposed to um find
policies that are uh less palatable so
[25:35] if if we can look at this as a
reward-based system for behavior that we
[25:39] want to nurture I think that's the way
to build
[25:44] community thank you
Ben so the next item is preserve import
[25:50] wildlife habitats in
[25:54] cour and I don't think we
I don't know
[26:01] that I don't know that they
[26:06] maintain danger threatener special so
deep should have the nddb maps that the
[26:12] wetlands commission uses reviewing appli
there's something that's really out yeah
[26:17] so hopefully they they are actively
reviewing that they do map critical
[26:21] habitats IND dangered species Etc and
deep has become a really good resource
[26:26] over the recent years um to reach out
with enforcement issues Andor education
[26:33] so they've gotten a lot better in that
realm so hopefully in L uses those Maps
[26:38] I have a comment for that too um I do
feel like Ben speaking again I do feel
[26:44] like um we should rely on deep in in a
manner that um aligns with what Morris
[26:50] wants and we should also use our own
judgment in certain situations as well
[26:55] um it seems like deep might not be
keeping up with some of the changes with
[26:59] bare populations and other natural
habitats where it's creating life safety
[27:04] issues or other other challenges uh
garbage or littering or just I I while I
[27:11] agree we need to listen to what deep is
saying we should also um since we are
[27:16] our own town residents we can also
consider what's best for our
[27:22] community thank you
Ben um and
[27:29] M Wildlife Corridor and moris with the
assistance of the janic valley
[27:34] Association subdivision regulation open
space section should be amended to
[27:40] include among the purposes for open
space protection of unique and fragile
[27:46] areas important habit habitats and
Wildlife
[27:51] ORD that's the pnz sessions
[27:59] so you put that down yes I have to be
honest I haven't looked at the open
[28:03] space criteria and I have not spent much
time on the subdivision regulations no I
[28:08] know that's not been a priority either
and that may be something that falls off
[28:14] to the next time around when we do this
too but it's like it is let's make sure
[28:19] we have a full list that we can manage
and prioritize and work off
[28:26] of and and focus on protecting lands
that link Open Spaces by acquisition
[28:33] easement or other action to provide
continuous Wildlife corridors and
[28:39] habitats for public passive recreational
use
[28:44] and Environmental Protection other words
basically green
[28:50] Lanes so we just uh last month Mor Land
Trust completed a process of certainty
[28:58] December 2021 and we acquired through
purchase 37 acres of land on Lane White
[29:04] Road for conservation there um it was
part of a the Humphrey
[29:11] farm and um we are going to be in the
next as we move forward after we take a
[29:17] deep breath uh we are going to put a
hiking trail on it for public
[29:23] access and so you
know that that's that's our latest
[29:29] accomplishment so that's our seventh
property we own now four properties we
[29:33] have e been on three
nicew AC I think I don't know I always
[29:39] have to go look at our website
don't and I apologize for my naev about
[29:45] the goals of the land trust here in
Morris but do you also include in your
[29:51] mission to preserve working farms in
addition to preserve open space and
[29:56] other lands
that's a good question we are actually
[30:00] looking at our we have a very lengthy
mission statement which covers
[30:05] everything including Farmland open space
archaeological sites and our bandwidth
[30:12] is not as broad as our current mission
statement and we're actually looking at
[30:17] refining that mission statement but as I
say you know we are I think newly
[30:23] sensitized to the Farmland aspect I
should mention that the Humphrey
[30:27] property does have some hayfields that
there's a local farmer hang that we're
[30:30] going to hopefully have him continue
with um we all one of the easements we
[30:35] own is in connection with is also
partnership with Connecticut Farmland
[30:39] Trust on faram farm and East Morris and
Ethan who to has his Dairy bird there so
[30:46] so yes already answered your question
fantastic yes yeah that's cool and just
[30:52] to your earlier point about
archaeological sites again to make sure
[30:56] that Planning and Zoning is aware of
things if there's ever a map of the
[31:00] inventory of archaological sites that
are significant in town I think it would
[31:04] really help for us to be aware of that
in other towns where I consult we do
[31:09] have these archaological maps that
really helps if somebody comes forward
[31:13] with a project that we do actually
conduct an archaeological study and it
[31:18] then out of that archaeological study
becomes a resource for all of us well
[31:22] let me turn it around to you are you
aware does Morris have any
[31:25] archaeological Maps because you know
we've only been in existence since I
[31:30] don't know the historic
societ I think the Historic Society in
[31:36] moris might have those interes okay I
love doing research
[31:43] so Revitalize after being kind of quiet
for a while awesome I think for for
[31:48] buildings we do but for for like
literally archaeological sites I think
[31:54] they're um less uh organ they're not in
a single document but there's a lot of
[32:00] tribal knowledge of different locations
that are of significance so I don't I
[32:05] don't think we have a ranking system to
say hey here's the threshold of what we'
[32:08] qualify as the historical site within
town but there are quite a bit of uh
[32:13] books and other collateral that support
where they are what and we have a list
[32:18] of historical homes yeah yeah there
that's what I'm saying there is a list
[32:21] for homes but not for like necess sites
yeah no that's great information
[32:29] chairman can can I mention one other
resource this is
[32:33] Joselyn Jos um just want to mention you
know we've been working closely closely
[32:39] with honic Valley Association on this
affordable housing and conservation
[32:44] collaboration work and um Ben's probably
aware of this but um uh hva has this
[32:51] great map called the follow the forest
map um back to your goal here around
[32:57] mapping Wildlife corridors um and
Wildlife like habitat linkage
[33:04] connections um you know I think I'm I'm
sure there's a lot more work that could
[33:09] be done on that but I will say if you
Google follow the forest you can zoom in
[33:14] to Morris and see um where they've
identified areas for Habitat linkages
[33:21] and just might be
interesting um you know just another
[33:26] interesting data point
we have that map we have that map and we
[33:30] know what those quars where they are in
fact we had a presentation by to follow
[33:36] the
forest Guru from
[33:40] HBA uh at our annual meeting in June and
we're always you know we try to
[33:45] publicize our annual meeting no one ever
comes very
[33:48] sad we do our best invite us I send
money invite us pizza it's on our
[33:54] website it's you know I don't
question does anyone have is there any
[34:00] kind of a list that that shows the kind
of Wildlife and plants that exist in
[34:06] Morris
inventory place like what animals have
[34:11] been seen or would that
[34:17] would we listed like the you know things
like the hotwood
[34:23] tree trees
animals that's and wetland whatever is
[34:29] there any kind I know there's I know
there's a
[34:32] black State inventory or anything of
what exists in our have a list of forest
[34:42] properties have florath and critical
habitats
[34:47] inventory
and I know there's a Black Swamp
[34:54] B yeah it looks like there is something
in that um on page 30 of the natural
[35:00] cultural and resources
inventory requiring protection the red
[35:06] bat birds that we
[35:10] have so we do have some of that in
there I know somebody did like a 50-year
[35:16] study of chickes or Bing the chick does
it say what areas
[35:23] they're
in some
[35:28] some of the data is
um sketchy
[35:32] dated like incredibly sketchy but we can
it's a that's a diplomatic way of
[35:38] putting it like like if we follow the
science um we'll be disappointed so we
[35:44] should again treat our town like a town
and use our own judgment instead of
[35:48] deferring
to internet sources some are okay
[35:53] but quite a fewer
suspect just a
[35:58] Veronica is reviewing our natural
resources inventory well that's a town
[36:04] let's keep moving we've got plenty yes I
know thank you Janelle we
[36:08] got I'm not planning on being here all
night yeah we're we're at a slow clip at
[36:14] the moment I think we really hit the
high points for especially the
[36:21] audience as the next one is considered
the design of Scenic roads the Planning
[36:26] and Zoning Miss Commission should
consider a Scenic Road ordinance which
[36:30] have adopted Property Owners L one who
live along a Scenic Road segment to
[36:35] petition for seate Road
designation there's some information add
[36:41] in the time
plan my question is are there property
[36:45] owners that are interested in
designating this because that it would
[36:49] be the impetus for designating a Scenic
Road so if we're not hearing from
[36:53] Property Owners with a real
interest I mean that's probably
[36:58] pointing out his bot worst I I I think I
have two couple thoughts on that one is
[37:03] uh do we want that does Drive no I mean
like in seriousness I I've had issues of
[37:09] telling people not to park near a blind
corner on HBY Road and that's likely to
[37:13] be one of the sites like if there's a
Scenic Lookout to accommodate vehicle
[37:18] traffic or or just pedestrians I would
say that's fine but like drawing people
[37:23] to locations that are not safe just
doesn't help any body and um and so I
[37:30] guess something to think about this line
item is what does that do for
[37:35] us um is it good for I think we wrote
that before everybody went to the same
[37:41] place to get their face on freaking Tick
Tock probably like the problem they have
[37:46] been had in Vermont in New Hampshire
this fall they've been like having to
[37:50] block off roads because so many people
come to the same spot because they got
[37:53] to get the perfect picture so I think
this was a a propagation from the
[37:58] previous so this is you know 15 20 years
old now but like we should think about
[38:03] whether that's something we want to
continue um doing or not yeah I don't
[38:09] think we want to be that popular
[38:13] anymore well okay I would consider
taking that one out
[38:21] yeah it just required you to consider it
sounds like you consider it you want to
[38:25] maybe revisit it
[38:30] but but the thing is it's something that
should be on the list we we can say it's
[38:35] not on the list and we'll revisit it
when we revisit the town plan yeah we
[38:40] don't want Scenic roads popping up on
Google and having 500 we should we
[38:44] should just list out the pros and cons
and if it if it clearly leans one way or
[38:48] another that's you know we we can take
be a conversation and we have enough on
[38:52] our list anyway that would make this not
something we're going to run to in the
[38:56] first place
anyway and the same you know like and
[39:01] then there's the encouraged use of wood
cable with wood or ort steel rather than
[39:08] galvanized steel God rails on Town
maintained
[39:11] roads there's nobody here really to
comment on that I that's not something
[39:16] that anybody here can really um have an
impact on I don't think amend the open
[39:23] space section of the subdivision
regulations place a priority and the
[39:26] protection of open space along the
fronts of town and state roads amend the
[39:32] regulations to allow for private road
subdivisions to protect value SE
[39:37] features or roadside views and change
the setback regulations from a minimum
[39:42] of 50 feet to 75 ft from the road right
away or 75 ft from the road pavement
[39:49] whichever is greater Dave I have a
question about that is there a function
[39:54] for that number or is is that is that
done
[39:57] idea yeah doesn't sound I don't know
what the number came from sounds you
[40:02] know how I feel about
[Laughter]
[40:06] arbitrary and again I don't think that's
something we to focus
[40:13] on I'm just saying that's 25 feet more
than what the state requires and the
[40:17] state requires a uh a crazy
[40:23] number and then finally consider a blood
ordinance
[40:28] and bl ordinance could be created
specifically to regulate prevent the
[40:33] accumulations of registered Vehicles
outside storage of junk and
[40:41] I I deteriorated abandoned structures
view from the road we got yep we do sure
[40:51] do and again I think that's something we
will we probably keep on the list but
[40:57] it's not going to be a high prity item
either at the top of that page we need
[41:02] to strike that
word which word rural character oh rural
[41:07] the whole section well yeah I mean we
can call it rural I mean we can call it
[41:12] country living was the number one reason
respondents to I don't know yeah we can
[41:17] find another way to say what we want to
say USDA does consider us a rural
[41:23] community by their definition nice yes
but the issue and is that the state has
[41:28] pretty much Bann use the word
character and regulations and like that
[41:34] because it's
very potentially
[41:39] discriminate and regulations to protect
rid lines and slopes change the wording
[41:45] and subdivision regulations Section
6.1.5 strict development of land 20% or
[41:53] greater identifying inventory exing
Ridge lines
[41:57] prioritize protection while clearly
defining the needs and benefits of such
[42:04] protection what is the um purpose for
the
[42:08] 20%
[Music]
[42:11] um well see that as being you know your
access and and such as that you know do
[42:18] you I think driveways of greater than
10% are an issue and you know land with
[42:25] high slopes like that your access is
going to
[42:30] be yeah but the engineer is going to
design something to address that one way
[42:34] or another that's not true that's not a
regulatory thing that's a engineering I
[42:39] mean the whole point of the ridge line
is want the protect the views yeah is is
[42:44] to encourage development off the top of
the ridge lines and have them along the
[42:49] sides of the ridg lines so you can
maintain those Ridge lines it looks like
[42:53] it's a rural town from the distance
there could be houses
[42:58] yeah but but that's saying it says land
with a slope of 20% that's not that's
[43:02] not the top that's the side I have
action and that doesn't really address
[43:07] what that I hear what you're saying
that's a very good
[43:12] point
and you know anyway amend zoning
[43:17] regulations set a reasonable fence burm
or visual Buri along Public Road
[43:21] Frontage on the Lake Shore to prevent
against blocking roadside views of
[43:28] B this will protect important segment of
Scenic views of the lake from
[43:32] surrounding
roads as these Road view vistas of Van
[43:37] Lake are important to the state and
local visual assets worthy of
[43:43] protection and probably helps keep
people coming to town to see them
[43:48] [Music]
[43:51] too I don't know that that's I would I
would love to hear someone from Ben
[43:57] Blake commenting on that one way or
another I don't have a horse in that
[43:59] race but I just I just have a issue with
putting regulations on or discussing
[44:06] regulations when there's no one here
to that that it impacts to reflect on
[44:11] it and um anybody else want to weigh in
on
[44:17] it
no
[44:21] um establish new and update current
regulations for docks and floats on
[44:25] banam Lake consider total length and
surface limits on dock numbering and
[44:31] registra and a do and a dock numbering
and registration system to protect
[44:35] against the cation of excessively large
or long
[44:41] docks that interfere with safe boating
cause disruption to the lake shore SL
[44:46] bottom and disturb the visual beauty of
the
[44:50] lake I see that tying into the lake
overlay Zone um especially I know that I
[44:57] IWC is named as the point here but the
CEO issues permits for structures so I
[45:05] would see them being able to regulate
this since they would be issuing those
[45:10] permits I imagine IWC also has some sort
of overview but with the Zeo if there
[45:16] are strong regulations limiting doc size
they could confirm for compliance as
[45:21] well so I see that also fitting into
that Lake overlay Zone discussion well
[45:27] that b BL Point under that makes
sense establish lighting regulations to
[45:33] protect nighttime Fs in
[45:38] the we have done we have a dark sky
regulation that we put in place that's
[45:43] one of the things we did Do America
busily promoting it well I told you to
[45:48] send that link on the record a few towns
are following the lead and I always
[45:54] mention Morris did it first Morris did
it first so um yeah that's one and lfi
[46:00] are following in your footsteps we did
too Center those lights down uh oh I'm
[46:06] gonna drive through all my way out of
here it's like daylight in the center of
[46:10] town and it ever used to be inreased the
wattage I guess let get my postcards TR
[46:17] to give that link to
the anyway just a little pat on the
[46:24] patting ourselves on the back apologize
for that
[46:27] what we consider adopting zoning
regulations that will require all
[46:32] subdivisions and site plans to include
identifying AR geological historical or
[46:38] cultural resources within the property
to be developed and provided that the
[46:42] state
AR
[46:48] just the on-site rological assessment of
the impact of the proposed development
[46:55] prior to the work commencing on
I really like this
[47:00] one
twist that's not really I just just
[47:04] trying to slow down because I had the
page to pay the screen down to finish
[47:09] the
sent and consider a two three acre
[47:14] minimum lot size with the requirements
of the minimum lot area cannot include
[47:19] Wetlands water courses or steep slopes
this will help to prevent the sub
[47:23] suburbanization of moris Regulation
should include protecting existing lots
[47:29] of less than that size that can be
grandfathered in consider the effect of
[47:34] this possible change on meeting the goal
of increasing housing options especially
[47:39] for seniors and young
families it's still continued at the top
[47:45] of the other
page yeah that's part of
[47:51] it I'll review the current Z map with
the oh yes this is the important part
[47:56] when a lot size size zoning map make
larger Lots in areas with poor soils
[48:01] this will help prevent septic failures
in Watershed areas with a growing
[48:07] poage soil based
zoning that is the most logical way to
[48:12] do
it after through all the years I agree
[48:16] with that then it's based on reality not
on some arbitrary number it's still kind
[48:23] of arbitrary in my opinion but and
I'm curious what you mean by that or how
[48:31] you what I've seen is that soil the soil
based Zoning for example in the town of
[48:37] Washington does not reflect how much how
many acres you need to get a septic tank
[48:43] that would be
functioning um so even with soil-based
[48:50] zoning there is a
temptation to make the lot sizes much
[48:55] larger than is needed for a you know a
good safe septic system and that's what
[49:01] happens
in some towns in the area that have soil
[49:05] based
zoning so I don't think it's all what
[49:09] all I mean I understand that it seems
like it would be more based on the
[49:16] actual soil characteristics but it isn't
in my
[49:23] experience in other words people don't
necessarily implemented for they just
[49:28] use the buzzword and yes they B like you
don't you don't really need you don't
[49:33] really need two or three acres for a
three-bedroom septic tank for example
[49:38] need an acre and a half to acre to an
acre depending on the SI the structure
[49:43] well they are requiring a b100a anytime
you put a additional footprint to your
[49:48] house which means that you have to prove
that you could build a new septic
[49:52] somewhere that's not going to affect the
new
[49:54] addition property your
yeah I just wor we are in two watersheds
[49:59] that's the you know I get a letter every
year from the city of Waterberry that
[50:02] they're coming to look so it's
[50:06] just I think as people we should want to
keep the Watershed
[50:13] clean whether that means bigger Lots or
not
[50:16] I well that's part of the B 100a is that
you have to dig down prove that you're
[50:22] you know doing the whole test for where
your where your water is and and making
[50:27] sure you put a septic somewhere else on
your property doesn't affect the ership
[50:33] right and protect Camp Columbia explore
the purchase of Camp Columbia from the
[50:38] state of Connecticut state budget cuts
in the future could jeopardize the
[50:42] status of the park and control of the
property by the town would help insur
[50:47] future as open space as well as for
Passive recreational purposes as a
[50:53] dressable and I know we've talked about
that a number of times in I don't think
[50:57] but I'll see a lot of movement on that
any near time in the future but consider
[51:04] adopting zoning regulations for
commercial buildings and other
[51:07] non-residential structures
proposed in view from the town roads
[51:12] especially in Bill
centers encourage buildings of a size
[51:17] scale and style compatible with the
towns rural New
[51:22] England I can't say the word
Vibes Vibes I like that
[51:29] Vibes that's our new word r Vibes we
couldn't do that within zoning
[51:34] regulations inherent in the fact that
zoning regulations cannot control
[51:38] Aesthetics so in the event that the town
of Morris wanted to go that route you'd
[51:42] have to develop a design review board
for a very specific District that you
[51:46] would also need to name so in the event
that you wanted to have a Village Center
[51:51] District and then control Aesthetics it
would have to be an outside entity it
[51:55] could not be the PNC
and that also becomes very expensive and
[52:03] unwieldy there something that was a hot
button I think that there was an ugly
[52:09] building out there that a lot of people
make that goes back to 20 years too that
[52:14] one was hot but
probably so
[52:19] ild Center kind of
things protect historic
[52:24] landmarks Morris is over 80 homes from
the 18th and 19th century as well as
[52:30] numerous historical landmarks these
these structures are an important part
[52:35] of the town's rural character and should
be wherever possible preserved and
[52:41] protected zoning regulations should be
updated to protect the cultural and
[52:46] archaeological archaeological inventory
as listed on pages 36 to 44 of the
[52:53] Morris natural and cultural resources
inventory prepared in 20
[52:59] how about if we replace the word
character with
[53:04] culture culture oh I think they'll
probably not like that
[53:10] [Music]
wordun may I also suggest them with that
[53:15] a demo delay ordinance so in many towns
where there's old buildings they'll use
[53:21] like for buildings older than a hundred
years in the event that someone wants to
[53:25] come in and completely demolish there's
a review period there's a notice to an
[53:30] abutter requirement and then there's um
a study that has to be done so that you
[53:37] don't risk losing these vulnerable
historic sit I have a question so like
[53:42] we have a house near the Dollar General
the 1756 house that somebody bought and
[53:47] is letting it rock that windows open
they're just letting it sit there and
[53:50] rot and there's nothing we can do about
it that house is going to be destroyed
[53:54] yeah yeah so I why because they want the
view they're going to knock it they're
[53:59] going to wait for it to rot and they're
going to knock it down because they got
[54:01] the view because I mean this points out
that there are significant homes but it
[54:06] doesn't really give any action towards
preserving them it's nice that there's a
[54:10] list but how do we take the list a step
further that's a that's my question so I
[54:18] suggest a demo delay ordinance for
properties that are or like significant
[54:22] structures that are on this list put it
on a list
[54:28] suggest to the ordinance committee there
should be a letter to anybody who's
[54:30] letting their historic home go to rock I
know that you can't do that I don't
[54:35] know we tell them what to do well that
goes in hand in hand with a blade or
[54:41] yeah I mean especially for historic
homes that's just not
[54:47] right incentive for someone to come in
and store a home versus demolish it at
[54:52] times shipo does give grants for houses
that are recognized yeah I don't know
[54:58] what that cycle has been like but I do
know that there have been opportunities
[55:02] I could look into it more I think it
could be a nonprofit and they will give
[55:07] you five grand towards stabilization
yeah
[55:12] yeah now next section is economic
development and continue enhance the
[55:21] option for plan development
District review the plan development
[55:26] District regulations moris shall
continue to use the plan development
[55:30] District's PDD regulations to meet the
goals of the town and provide
[55:35] opportunities for new development that
improves the town tax base revision SL
[55:41] updates should focus on ways to priorize
prioritize uses such as un and culture
[55:50] two tourism and loding three Agriculture
and agriculture technology
[55:56] for outdoor
regulation note the PDD for a mixed use
[56:02] approach for larger properties and
joining town and Commercial centers
[56:06] there are large Parcels of land that ad
join various town and Commercial
[56:10] settings centers I mean these properties
would provide opportunities to expand
[56:16] these town and Commercial centers with
mixed development use to provide housing
[56:19] as well as commercial uses to support
the
[56:22] residents of the development and the
town
[56:28] pznc PCC the plenty and Zoning
commission should review the PDD
[56:34] regulation to see if it if updates are
needed and to allow mixed use
[56:42] developments again that was a hot button
over the past you know decade for us and
[56:50] that's why that's there and we did see
what winvian and American country Barnes
[56:57] brought us through the
PDD and decided that it was
[57:02] actually more than simply a loophole
regulations which was what I was always
[57:07] concerned
about at the
[57:11] start no what
[57:18] Butler Butler we're about halfway
through the review of the regulations we
[57:25] review the
um water resources and
[57:32] um really oh and the rural
character and we're down to Economic
[57:39] Development and that's right here we
just reviewed the fact that we have a
[57:45] pbd regulation for plan development
districts it's has served us well and
[57:53] feel that maybe it needs to be at at the
time we put this together it needs to be
[57:59] enhanced and it is by having it in the
regulations
[58:03] to broader application of the
[58:08] regulation and and as I stated before
just I think it's worth KN that's how we
[58:13] had windin
farm and how we have um the American
[58:19] barns Harvest Moon excuse me Harvest
Moon they used to be called amican
[58:24] country barns I think Harvest Mo and
um you know those two businesses are
[58:32] here from that regulation and continue
to support homebased businesses update
[58:38] the regulations for homebased businesses
the Planning and Zoning commission
[58:42] should continually monitor the evolution
of homebased business uses and modify
[58:48] the zoning regulations as needed Ure the
building approval process is not a
[58:53] barrier to the creation m a homebased
business that can be conducted without
[58:59] ping ging property
Val and then support fiber the home
[59:07] broadband initiative and increase sale
air coverage
[59:11] areas at least I know that we have fiber
optic run through town yeah Dave this
[59:18] this line item is slightly obsolete now
the fiber to the home part right Jo any
[59:25] EXP well in the S it's obsolete because
it's been addressed yeah and there are
[59:32] other things in here that are addressed
and there are things that would come off
[59:35] the list when we redo the
plan which we are probably not going to
[59:41] do right down I think there's enough
work for us to do that we've gone
[59:44] through the list now that keep us busy
for the rest of the another three or
[59:49] four years and then we got to then we
got to rebuild the plan Town plan of
[59:54] development rather make progress
and have a slightly outdated
[59:59] plan mind you that we approved the plan
in 09 and
[1:00:05] 2021 and prior to that it was I think it
was like
[1:00:09] 19 in the
19 was
[1:00:13] 1992
2009 and then
[1:00:17] 2021 and they're supposed to be done
every 10
[1:00:21] years anyway and then
I think the state regulations did
[1:00:29] something ENC explore life care fa no
that's something something something
[1:00:35] explore life care facilities and other
similar facilities the task
[1:00:39] space life care facilities are
compatible business type of use housing
[1:00:45] for thanks guys thanks for coming very
much I appreciate thank you and all the
[1:00:51] good work you're doing yes thank you for
all the work you're doing you're welcome
[1:01:01] and
[1:01:04] um
this type of use provides housing for
[1:01:08] active Elder adults on the same campus
provides and on the same campus provides
[1:01:14] assisted living nursing and even
Hospital type
[1:01:20] facilities I don't think we
much I don't know if we want to put that
[1:01:26] on our list or not
and I just have to say there's much more
[1:01:31] value to these Life Care Facilities than
enhancing the tax space but
[1:01:36] anyway and certainly keep I think it's a
PPE dream yeah I think Dem like it's an
[1:01:41] important to keep in mind our
demographics as we plan um and work
[1:01:47] through our planning and
zoning and analyze the commercial uses
[1:01:52] in town to determine what we have and
where we can grow the tax
[1:01:57] base Morris completed a comprehensive
natural resources inventory it's
[1:02:03] probably almost 20 years ago now W
however there has never been an analysis
[1:02:08] of this nature on economic development
with sub analysis the board could would
[1:02:13] be better determine what economic
development options make sense that was
[1:02:19] this would also help determine what
changes to the zoning regulations should
[1:02:23] be considered
[1:02:27] that's I'm can blame this one on me
because I've just felt we did all this
[1:02:32] work and I know a few people tried to do
something
[1:02:35] with um Economic Development back when
we were doing the open space plan back
[1:02:40] in the
Arts and it
[1:02:45] never got anywhere
but I still think that's
[1:02:53] a something to consider but it's not
again top of the
[1:02:59] list review and update the permitted
uses in the commercial zones the bulk of
[1:03:04] the uses in the commercial zones and in
the Morris Pine and zoning regulations
[1:03:08] date back to late 70s and early 80s
while regulations have had updates in
[1:03:13] recent years a comprehensive review and
update has not been undertaken though
[1:03:18] we've done some of that but just not on
this SE section we're talking about here
[1:03:23] the objective this review should be to
bring these regulations up to date
[1:03:27] including agricultural tourism which we
did and arts and culture related
[1:03:35] businesses my favorite one is like the
printing press I think it's on one of
[1:03:38] the permitted uses and I always out of
it when I
[1:03:45] read or like the motion pictures like
just like it's so funny like you know
[1:03:50] movie theater you know like can we keep
it in there for laughs no
[1:03:56] those are the kind of things obviously
where yeah when you do comprehensive
[1:03:59] review you're like yeah like wow this is
interesting imagine somebody brought
[1:04:03] their printing press to town and we
didn't allow
[1:04:06] [Music]
it I think this had been done in the
[1:04:10] past by Leon and I think we do still
have that document somewh a catalog and
[1:04:15] publish a list of non-conform uses and
special exams helpful I don't see how
[1:04:20] that's useful to be honest with you
because in the in the event that Tony
[1:04:24] reviews the property he can to deem in
that moment in time whether or not it's
[1:04:28] nonexist if it's existing non-conforming
and if it's a special exception gets
[1:04:33] filed on the land record so it's going
to be filed so I don't see why having
[1:04:39] having a list is going to help anyone do
anything more I think probably the
[1:04:44] reason that they wanted the list was
maybe to protect the people who had
[1:04:47] these uses maybe that's what I think
maybe that was kind of like the push for
[1:04:50] it but it also says to avoid the
unintentional expansion OPP protection
[1:04:57] more need out because it's like more
we're coming for you you need to have
[1:05:01] definitions of what exists because that
way when no that's what property files
[1:05:07] should have for you so if you go through
a street file of what existed prior it's
[1:05:13] not going to be easy to find in a list
it'd be much easier to find in a street
[1:05:18] file unless you're sorting your
list well I don't think we therefore I
[1:05:23] don't think our files are very good well
then that could be the issue well the
[1:05:28] problem with the filing is that it's up
to the landowner after they get their
[1:05:31] special exception or their approvals to
go file in a lot of times I feel like
[1:05:35] they probably don't and I even me like
we haven't done that many but I
[1:05:39] specifically tell them always like when
they come in like as soon as you get the
[1:05:41] approval go put it in the clerk so that
they can have it I don't issue a zoning
[1:05:45] permit if they've filed a special
exception and they haven't filed it on
[1:05:49] the land record just don't issue a zon
yeah no no but so it's like it's just
[1:05:53] interesting how like you fight so hard
to get the approval and you don't take
[1:05:57] the last you know it's just arbitrary
Step at then and it's funny because
[1:06:01] obviously I'm in Thomason now too and
actually in Thomason they put it in the
[1:06:04] fee structure where the the for for some
reason the land use Administrative
[1:06:09] Assistant she actually files it for them
like that put in like the fee so so
[1:06:14] that's interesting so it's big city
stuff oh yeah well no I mean it's like
[1:06:19] you know it's like there it's a
full-time position with an assistant
[1:06:22] here it's part-time so it's like yeah it
would be
[1:06:26] tough to do it here you know but
somewhere else you might be able to do
[1:06:29] it but they're also backed up in filing
that too because it's just like with
[1:06:34] this job it's tough because you can
never catch up almost in a
[1:06:39] sense thank
you assure compatible development in
[1:06:44] Morris's commercial centers hamlets and
parenthesis we have Morris Center East
[1:06:50] Morris Route 209 Route 61 and Lakeside
and develop a for growth of commercial
[1:06:59] center hamlets and Morris while
protecting the world character of the
[1:07:03] area
[Laughter]
[1:07:07] Vibes particularly mostly commercial
zone areas that will
[1:07:12] regulate appearance and presentation of
structures all that's that's the old
[1:07:17] thing that we just talked about
Adventure structur for these centers
[1:07:21] explore the use of pdds for properties
ad joining these centers and larger
[1:07:25] mixed use
development ensure small town
[1:07:31] character are retained when permitted
commes are
[1:07:36] implemented the special
exception can be employed to provide
[1:07:41] greater scrutiny on uses that would
today be approved by a site plan it is a
[1:07:45] tool that ensures public hearing is held
for larger applications or applications
[1:07:50] or uses that demand a closer review
having a requirement for a public
[1:07:55] hearing
visibility having the ability to apply
[1:07:58] conditions to manage situations that are
inconsistent with the rural and small
[1:08:03] town Vibes nature nature I mean to be
fair to us when we implemented this pocd
[1:08:09] they hadn't passed the rule yet so to be
fair to us than goodness now it's like
[1:08:14] you can use the word character we have
you can use the word character but you
[1:08:18] have to Define what it is you know it's
not you know you can't just say the word
[1:08:21] character you have to say what it means
you know sense Vibes because so how can
[1:08:25] they say we can't use that word they're
never coming after
[1:08:31] it having the ability to apply
conditions situations that are
[1:08:35] inconsistent with the rural and small
town Vibes of
[1:08:39] Morris way to manage these applications
consider adopting design requirements
[1:08:45] yeah we C that or guidelines and
encourage building the science scale and
[1:08:50] style compatible with the with the towns
World New England Vibes Vibes yes
[1:08:56] yeah I think there's some things in here
I think we're gonna eventually
[1:09:04] scrap maybe simplify it a little bit or
call feels feels you
[1:09:09] know small town feels so we did you know
just for those who weren here at the
[1:09:13] start we did go through the the water
section and found some things that we
[1:09:21] probably need to put on our
list that um um and but Janelle's an
[1:09:28] overall list of what um we need to do
here and so then we're going to at our
[1:09:37] next planning
meeting spend some time basally slicing
[1:09:42] and dicing that list and racking and
stacking
[1:09:53] chair so anyway on the house 18 and
there are some some good news here that
[1:10:01] we can talk about increase housing
options especially for seniors and young
[1:10:06] families study possible expansion
options at elderd housing that one and
[1:10:12] that's something we have are in the
process of doing
[1:10:16] done
done check it off check it off your
[1:10:22] list Joselyn a just for the
[1:10:28] increase the
accessibility housing stock
[1:10:32] [Music]
[1:10:40] byess guide
[1:10:47] also cannot or to make needed
accessibility modifications
[1:10:55] that's an important thing nobody here it
comments on it's important it sounds
[1:10:59] really helpful yes it does consider
facility the creation of a new nonprofit
[1:11:05] mors Housing Trust organization with
local volunteers to facilitate the
[1:11:10] creation of downsizing options for
seniors and housing options for young
[1:11:15] families ask residents consider donating
land to the trust once it is
[1:11:21] formed another interesting idea
[1:11:26] I can I can comment on that if
you hear about that yes I mean I think
[1:11:32] you know obviously
since you worked on this uh PCD there's
[1:11:38] now as it says at the bottom a a housing
plan as well um yes that's true and I I
[1:11:46] I would probably rely a little bit more
on what's in the housing plan since you
[1:11:51] know we had time to think more
specifically about that um obviously the
[1:11:58] Morris Housing Authority right now has
uh affordable homes for apartments for
[1:12:04] seniors and the new um eight units that
have been approved uh are will will not
[1:12:11] be restricted to seniors but there will
probably be a fair number of seniors in
[1:12:15] those units as well I do think one of
the things that we talked about when we
[1:12:20] created the housing plan is um trying to
have ways for affordable home
[1:12:26] ownership um I looked at your uh median
sales price again today year to date
[1:12:34] it's hovering around
$500,000 for a median sales price um and
[1:12:40] again if you're a if you're uh a family
earning 80% of their immediate income
[1:12:47] you really can only afford something
more like
[1:12:51] $250,000 um so you know many towns and
the region do have a local Housing Trust
[1:12:59] organization that focuses on creating
those home ownership
[1:13:03] opportunities um so I would still say
you know if if there are residents that
[1:13:09] any of you come across who are
interested in um creating some
[1:13:14] affordable home ownership opportunities
I'd be happy to work with that volunteer
[1:13:20] group to think about how to get started
um I don't think think the Mor's Housing
[1:13:26] Authority they're pretty focused on
rental I don't think they're going to do
[1:13:30] home
[1:13:34] ownership but just putting it out there
if you guys know anybody who's
[1:13:38] interested in that I'd be happy to work
with them to think about how to get that
[1:13:43] going fortunately I think they're all up
in
[1:13:47] Lichfield Lichfield has a great Housing
Trust as well yeah yes they do
[1:13:55] sounds like they're trying to throw them
out too so we have a land trust right
[1:13:59] but we don't have a Housing Trust we
have a Housing Authority correct that's
[1:14:02] housing authority and a land so she's
recommending we try to get a Housing
[1:14:07] Trust that's well I guess I'm just
saying in the towns that have a Housing
[1:14:12] Trust they are able to build those
affordable firsttime home buyer
[1:14:18] options honestly Joselyn I don't know
anybody in Morris that would volunteer
[1:14:22] to start that committee yeah that's fine
that's the
[1:14:27] problem it involves money uhuh I think
we should try to get some younger people
[1:14:34] as well involved in all boards and
commissions in the whole town and then
[1:14:37] maybe some of those would like to do
something new and exciting such as a
[1:14:41] Housing
Trust well that would be great if we
[1:14:45] could get rid of the nonparticipating
members right in
[1:14:49] fours but you can't do that either Noe
we
[1:14:53] tried I go it's an issue well we got rid
of one person mean don't mean it that
[1:14:58] way but we got one person toep step up
to the plate yes there's a couple more
[1:15:04] that need
to I mean I'm guilty of not making all
[1:15:08] the meetings but but if you make half to
three quarters I mean I mean J I'd like
[1:15:14] to look into this with you if you wanted
to yeah I mean if you could you know it
[1:15:19] doesn't take a lot of volunteers to do
okay to do it um
[1:15:25] and uh so yeah any if you know if you
could dig up a couple more people who'
[1:15:30] at least want to talk about it
okay happy to do that and there's you
[1:15:36] know there's a bunch of strategies in
the housing plan itself around this you
[1:15:42] know creating firsttime home buyer
options that are
[1:15:45] affordable
okay yeah a great idea it
[1:15:51] is so update zoning regulation to allow
life care facilities and active housing
[1:15:58] as described in the economic development
sections the zoning regulations to allow
[1:16:05] more
flexibility in the creation of accessory
[1:16:11] Apartments including allowing them by
right or by site plan rather than
[1:16:16] special
permit
[1:16:19] again do we do this we can do this do we
still have that 40% % rule though can't
[1:16:26] go more than 40% of
the especially housing I think limit
[1:16:34] to to we limit toet th square feet yes
that's what we have technically of
[1:16:41] living space other it's 40% or th th
square feet
[1:16:49] okay you're saying that probably should
be maybe relaxed a little bit too
[1:16:55] I think the reason for 40% is to make
sure it's accessory yeah to the primary
[1:17:00] building I mean at the end of the day
you could make regulations that are more
[1:17:04] laxed suppose that's how you can maybe
create more housing choice I don't
[1:17:09] know talked about that small garage that
we have a yeah no
[1:17:15] exactly and then like our minimum lot
size is technically one acre R40 is the
[1:17:20] smallest but where I am yeah so for
example because now working Thomas out
[1:17:25] too but like they have a smaller Zone
it's an ra15 Zone but the thing is we
[1:17:30] don't have sewer capacity they have
their own you know right they do it but
[1:17:34] nor do we want stores yeah no no exactly
and you know in that zone they allow two
[1:17:38] and three family homes even though the
minimum lot size is 15,000 square
[1:17:46] feet so anyway at least we can we've
actually done reasonbly well I think
[1:17:51] this is probably the even though there a
lot of things we haven't even touched
[1:17:55] there are a lot of things we have
done very from that point of view it's
[1:18:01] rewarding going through this work
towards developing an affordable housing
[1:18:06] plan for the
uh J one on the
[1:18:10] back 2021 utilizing existing grant
funding from the state thank you Joselyn
[1:18:16] thank you Joselyn yeah of course it was
fun well and I'll just note I don't know
[1:18:22] if you um want to as part of this you
know exercise that you're doing today um
[1:18:30] but I was just you know referencing back
to the housing plan itself and it does
[1:18:35] have I'm counting maybe
four Str zoning related
[1:18:41] strategies in here um so you know again
I don't know that you want to
[1:18:48] necessarily go through them tonight but
I think it would be great if you guys
[1:18:53] add that to your
things to you know think
[1:18:58] about
um I think that's a good idea I don't
[1:19:03] know I don't plan to go through it
tonight I would want to do one of two
[1:19:07] things or really both I'd like to add
them to the list and I'm also willing to
[1:19:14] invite you to another Wednesday meeting
and go through that
[1:19:19] list together
first if you'd like yeah I mean again
[1:19:25] it's it's up to you um there's just you
know there things like um considering
[1:19:32] allowing duplexes considering allowing
townhouse style units in
[1:19:38] certain districts
um we did some of that yeah if you've
[1:19:44] already done it then great give that's
why maybe that's what we should do is we
[1:19:48] need to schedule jocing yeah no that's
fine I mean if she wants to come or we
[1:19:53] just schedule time just go through the
so yeah I mean so the next meeting is in
[1:19:57] December it's right around the holiday
so maybe it'd be a good thing to do
[1:19:59] maybe after the new year and then we can
just focus at the planning meeting on
[1:20:04] that yes well maybe we can go through
them ahead of time because if you've
[1:20:08] already done them great you can just pat
yourself on the back and save 30 yeah
[1:20:13] we've done actually a good amount I
would say so maybe me and Janelle can
[1:20:16] look over what we've done and then knock
that stuff like cross that stuff off and
[1:20:21] then just focus on the stuff we need to
do sounds
[1:20:26] good
[1:20:32] infrastructure Prov safe and efficient
traffic
[1:20:37] circulation
[1:20:40] P yeah we are in charge we
are kind
[1:20:46] of comes who wants to put in the damn
rotary window
[1:20:50] no I don't think Che for the town World
System is to provide for safe and
[1:20:55] efficient traffic circulation in a rural
Town such as Morris an important
[1:21:00] objective is to design and lay out New
Roads and maintain existing roads in a
[1:21:04] manner that supports the town plan use
land use policies and preserves the town
[1:21:10] rural Scenic beauty
Beauty I don't see that as being the PC
[1:21:17] is Le and I'm pretty sure that the
highway department wasn't really
[1:21:21] interested in doing it as well the
highway department because there they
[1:21:25] have to no I'm just saying I just don't
think that's anything like we can really
[1:21:29] do in a sense it's not like we're
playing out New Roads no no yeah we
[1:21:34] trying to find new you know I don't
think I mean like you know we haven't
[1:21:38] even had a subdivision like application
I've been here that's what I'm saying so
[1:21:43] it's like you know you can make them put
sidewalks in and Roads and this and that
[1:21:47] and this but where are they going to do
it you know the last subdivision was
[1:21:52] with thron yeah we approve that was the
Cur or whatever yeah exactly so that's
[1:22:00] oh so did they it seems like they
considered taking the bump out of aaine
[1:22:04] white Road as an improvement here there
you go we did
[1:22:08] it it's done so we can cross people go
faster to see if they
[1:22:14] maintain I feel like they've done a
pretty good job on Benton and Anderson
[1:22:17] Road I feel like they maintain them
pretty well recently right da I'm the
[1:22:21] one who got rid of the Benton Road
triangle yeah yeah yeah my son called
[1:22:25] him up who are you the one who got rid
of the Ben Road triangle so I feel like
[1:22:30] there's definitely been improvements
since you not many people do it but I
[1:22:36] live on Benton Road a this side of the
trial and if you
[1:22:43] go to left to go down higgy Road from
Benton Road you have those people coming
[1:22:50] around the corner that can't see you
because the hedges in front of the house
[1:22:53] on the corner there and you know finally
I think I convinced somebody to put a
[1:22:59] stop sign in yeah so at least they might
slow the traffic down going through that
[1:23:03] intersection yeah but it's like you put
your take your life in hand because you
[1:23:07] never know what's going to come zooming
around that corner it's it's it's an
[1:23:10] improvement definitely yes yeah it's
confusing even for people just trying
[1:23:14] like where do you go like that we're so
close guys oh yeah anyway so
[1:23:20] yeah keep moving and I'm not going to
read through it but it says what does
[1:23:24] and and that I'd still say that yeah we
haven't really reviewed the subdivision
[1:23:28] regulations but definitely we
need the the latest one is from 2012 so
[1:23:35] yeah it could use probably tons of
improvement but I think that was on our
[1:23:38] list but we focus on some of these other
things I think there's still other
[1:23:42] things that probably will end up do you
mind just printing me a copy of what the
[1:23:46] subdivision regulations are talk I'll do
right now I'll do a little audit take it
[1:23:50] home with me read it go to bed
tonight like
[1:23:58] read sleep in about two
[1:24:04] minutes and um I think we been said that
this is another thing that we can take
[1:24:10] off of our list people to thank for yeah
you know the Broadband improvements in
[1:24:17] the
[1:24:19] area the cell coverage we can keep
because that's
[1:24:24] so yeah can't get any coverage over by
the oh boy those dump they're really
[1:24:33] important I can never get a
[1:24:39] signal down Washington no well
Washington at's best carefully consider
[1:24:44] any new sewer installations no well
there's always been an adct attitude in
[1:24:51] this town that we don't want sewers but
I would also say argue that sewers could
[1:24:56] be part of a Bantam Lake overlay Zone
because you yes you have sewers on the
[1:25:03] west side of the lake but you don't have
that on the east side of well where does
[1:25:07] it all go though who's got the sewage
treatment
[1:25:11] facility okay because how much capaity
they have I don't want to build a sewage
[1:25:15] treatment plant in
L yeah but it's might be a capacity no
[1:25:21] yeah it could be I don't know I don't
know where they say no to
[1:25:28] a but it's like
that's the sewer avoidance policy is
[1:25:35] always been a a thing in this town but I
still say that well it's a way of
[1:25:40] restricting how many structures go how
many to preserve the bodies that
[1:25:46] are vies I know when I first moved here
I was like okay now we can put gates at
[1:25:51] every entrance we don't need any more
people here
[1:25:56] out keep Farms here we want to yes farms
and Rural Vibes
[1:26:00] yeah sidewalk and
[1:26:06] biking apply for Community connectivity
or other funding to do a planning study
[1:26:11] for the cost and benefits of
sidewalks and
[1:26:16] crosswalks and the command commercial
centers and a bike
[1:26:20] walk bike slw walk paths or two
[1:26:28] there Dave there is an active request to
the board of Selectmen from all the
[1:26:31] business owners and East Morris for
sidewalks interlinking uh the East
[1:26:36] Morris intersection
there be good they want State thing to
[1:26:41] get the sidewalks for free that would
fit one of those things thought part of
[1:26:46] the roadway plan includes
sidewalks in
[1:26:51] um in Center moris was that corre does
anybody know enough about that the plan
[1:26:56] for the road for the traffic circle yes
the sidewalk that the sidewalks and
[1:27:01] Stu some of that is happening and it's
I'm glad to hear what you're talking
[1:27:05] about Ben because I think that would be
a good idea yeah there is a petition
[1:27:09] from um all the business owners I think
aside from the extra Mark um petitioning
[1:27:16] the board of selectman to uh have
a um sidewalk that connects basically
[1:27:22] belluna to the Mexican place get people
all the way over to
[1:27:27] um uh the wisel dog and also across to
like pasture area because what we're
[1:27:33] finding is a lot of people are parking
in random lots and then patroning one or
[1:27:38] two businesses and often crossing the
street right now there's no safe passage
[1:27:43] across the road and when there's not a
crosswalk right there then the um lot of
[1:27:51] the where the car originates or where it
parks
[1:27:54] there's liability concerns so there's
there's some like practical reasons why
[1:27:58] we need that right now in addition to
just um you know we want to encourage
[1:28:04] Economic Development between the local
businesses and if you do stuff like that
[1:28:09] aesthetically it's not it's yes it it
makes for a nice
[1:28:13] town you know the state road that's the
that's like if you if you think about a
[1:28:21] bant like Center of Bantam where it does
have a sidewalk but it's also so steep
[1:28:25] that people aren't utilizing it like in
East Morris at least you know we have
[1:28:29] the benefit where you can you know walk
to any of those very easily it's not
[1:28:35] it's not a uh it's not a challenging
walk Ben do you know if those crosswalks
[1:28:41] included like you know blinking lights
or any any slow down for
[1:28:47] cars I think they
um uh I'm trying to think of the example
[1:28:54] think the example they were that we were
thinking about is uh there's one on um
[1:28:59] through White's Woods where they put the
uh the uh uh new Greenway and they have
[1:29:07] one that's um you know you press the
button and it just has orange flash
[1:29:11] lights start flashing and yeah yeah but
aside from that it's not like a very
[1:29:16] active system um it would probably still
be able to maintain the four-way stop
[1:29:21] and uh it would just cross it like one
or two places
[1:29:24] so we we want like something that's
pretty minimal impact but like checks
[1:29:28] the box to say hey we have a crosswalk
yeah right and there saer pedestrian
[1:29:33] access well right now what everyone has
to do is put signs up to say no no
[1:29:37] parking other than the business that
you're you're attending and that's
[1:29:41] basically done for
[1:29:48] liability and Camp colia you talked
about that already
[1:29:54] want to encourage way more accessible
and more useful and TR to preserve
[1:30:01] it and support encourage renewable green
energy
[1:30:06] installations solar panels of James
Morris Elementary School to rce energy
[1:30:10] costs other opportunities to install
renewable energy should be exped I think
[1:30:15] we did kind of do something like that
yeah when are they suppos to I think in
[1:30:20] the spring I think this
year when they could do
[1:30:27] it Sam Lan transfer station
yep little
[1:30:34] Sam yes po I'm glad they named it after
nice you know one of my favorite
[1:30:39] memories of Sam was during the pandemic
we had to wear a mask I went one day and
[1:30:44] I actually took a picture I to dig it
out one of these days he cut a hole in
[1:30:47] the mask for his
[1:30:51] cigar fantastic
Sam that's like the best thing I've seen
[1:30:56] all day was great very creative very
creative oh my God he was so funny and
[1:31:01] with that we're at the end of
the really
[1:31:09] nice I also appreciate J's work on
getting us Maps done and everything just
[1:31:13] so you know she's still on
[1:31:24] thank you everybody thank you really
[1:31:34] good that we actually did the public
speak before
[1:31:41] yes may I think
[1:31:47] name and Lucas was here too right for my
[1:31:52] Memorial I wondering
[1:31:56] oh actually we can just close it it's
public heing okay yeah you close it
[1:32:01] we'll just
[1:32:04] close is here in the audience Ben yep we
had both b b Sol Ben no I just making
[1:32:12] you know obviously I was I came late
obviously no no no we had we had a
[1:32:18] actual show we actually got I
mean one of the interesting things is
[1:32:23] the farmland and
um
[1:32:27] um they're they're cataloging the farm
properties okay well
[1:32:34] okay yeah I think that's I and I still
feel the same thing
[1:32:40] with the cataloging of commercial uses
and that's and that kind of tags on
[1:32:47] with the business directory almost well
also with the special
[1:32:52] exception and and non-conforming users
those also are part of the business
[1:32:58] listing too yeah I would look at special
exceptions and non-conforming being more
[1:33:03] of like an academic exercise for the CEO
not so much for like a business
[1:33:09] directory for like Economic Development
driver I see them as being two different
[1:33:14] purposes but in are uses that go with
the property of course they are
[1:33:18] commercial businesses a lot of times
yeah that's something I think inherent
[1:33:22] in the CEO
responsibility not so much being a
[1:33:26] public list okay that's accessed that's
how I see it and it's the onus of the
[1:33:32] property owner if they want to support a
pass use of the property and not so much
[1:33:38] the responsibility of the town to have
cataloged every past use it could
[1:33:42] actually get the town into some trouble
in the event that it doesn't list
[1:33:47] everything that it once was okay well
you can't go back to the beginning of
[1:33:51] time necessarily because zoning happened
a lot more recently than the town
[1:33:56] established
itself could do more harm than good I
[1:34:00] got you our regulations 1979 Zing's been
around for I would say at least a 100
[1:34:04] years I don't know my complete history
but it's been out probably over 100
[1:34:09] years so do you want to break the
recording or just continue the recording
[1:34:13] the I mean if you wanted you could pause
it and then we could just just just to
[1:34:17] have a little second break and then we
can just resume it it's up to you
[1:34:20] whatever you want to do how much longer
do we plan on going just for my own
[1:34:25] I don't think so to make sure there's
nothing on here we need to talk about
[1:34:29] quickly no I don't think nothing I'll
just quickly stop the
[1:34:36] recording 539 this is Dave we chairman
of the
[1:34:41] mor Zing
commission regular Workshop meeting
[1:34:46] which I tried to do earlier when I was
calling are you taking minutes or should
[1:34:49] I just start just start okay let me get
this P then I haven't brought pens for
[1:34:55] anyone who needs them today pens and P
it's
[1:35:00] 8:39 right and it's um at calling to
order 8:39 pm thank you Kim door and the
[1:35:09] board members present in the house are
Kim Bill ALS Veronica Florio and Erica
[1:35:15] Leone who's appointed for Bob Bon
gelotti and online we have Helen White
[1:35:20] and Mark petzold our foreign
correspondents
[1:35:26] and basically is there anything for a
agenda
[1:35:29] review no unless Veronica wants me to
add something no good okay so I just put
[1:35:36] a summary summary statement for
[1:35:41] 3A um Janelle is going to assemble a
list and we'll check it
[1:35:47] twice it's just in time for the
holidays because we already determined
[1:35:52] who's been naughty and nice
[1:35:57] who's and so I think that's where we're
at I think it was a very useful session
[1:36:03] yeah and chairman I'm just going to
focus on the P andz assigned tasks I'm
[1:36:07] not I don't expect you to worry about
anybody else great great I just want a
[1:36:10] list for our planning meetings perfect
excellent and that's why I'm concerned
[1:36:14] about joselyn's list too just to make
sure we figure out what we've done I'm
[1:36:19] less concerned just knowing all the
housing we've recently focused yeah I
[1:36:22] know we've done a lot I know
included the mix use the multif family
[1:36:26] housing so done a
[1:36:29] lot making property prior got I don't
want anything to all through the crack
[1:36:34] this we fig we already took care of I
don't want to
[1:36:40] assume
so we have you done we already did draw
[1:36:46] some samples of what the
character yeah so if you remember last
[1:36:51] time we met we found there were only two
instances I believe where character is
[1:36:55] mentioned in the regulations so it's
it's not as heavy as it's mentioned in
[1:37:00] the
pccd um so where it is mentioned I
[1:37:04] flaged the last time and the suggestion
it's it's actually quite simple the
[1:37:10] first instance it's mentioned on page 50
under light industrial and it just
[1:37:15] States uses allow or type and nature
that are compatible with the town's
[1:37:20] rural character and if we change that to
with the town's
[1:37:27] rural nature or the town's rural um
atmosphere atmosphere I mean anything
[1:37:34] along those
lines I would atmosphere yeah I mean we
[1:37:39] should look at the statute exactly as
written and then base it on that I guess
[1:37:42] because you can use the word but you
just have to use it properly I guess is
[1:37:47] the right so the statute doesn't
actually make any specific
[1:37:51] recommendations what the statute
does is it says that tangible
[1:37:57] characteristics should replace the term
character because character is such a
[1:38:01] nebulous term so it doesn't actually
give us any direction other than telling
[1:38:06] us not to do something which is typical
of state law it tells us what we can and
[1:38:11] can't do but not really how to get there
um so I would just suggest uses allowed
[1:38:16] are a type of a type in nature that are
compatible with the towns
[1:38:23] Al
composition there you go rather than
[1:38:26] character um because we're talking about
the way that the town set up right
[1:38:32] buildings are masked and roads are laid
out so I look at that term as being
[1:38:36] composition and then the other instance
that character is mentioned we do not
[1:38:41] get to until page 58 and it's with
reference to home occupation we say the
[1:38:48] home occupation use May occupy an
accessory building if the location
[1:38:51] appearance and scale of the the
accessory building are consistent with
[1:38:55] the residential character of the lot I
would just say residential nature of the
[1:39:00] lot and the neighborhood so therefore
with home occupations we still need to
[1:39:06] make sure that it looks like a house it
acts like a house um and then our final
[1:39:12] instance where character shows up in the
regulations is on page
[1:39:17] 76 and it's in the plan development
District number one states to permit
[1:39:23] Trax of land of considerable size to be
developed and designed as harmonious
[1:39:27] units consistent with the character of
the town and the neighborhood and again
[1:39:33] um I would look to that as being like
consistent with
[1:39:37] the
[1:39:41] composition of the town and the
neighborhood where we're looking more at
[1:39:47] massing
density size of buildings then we're
[1:39:52] looking at quote unquote character and I
don't even mind putting composition
[1:39:57] parentheses massing density size of
buildings so that it's really clear do
[1:40:04] that so you so they understand exactly
what we mean yeah of these words nature
[1:40:09] Vibes yeah yes um so so I would suggest
that we just say composition parentheses
[1:40:16] massing density lot size building size
um in parenthesis for that final
[1:40:22] instance that character gets reference
and that's it we only mentioned it three
[1:40:26] times in the
regulations so it's not too
[1:40:30] bad poke heads a little next time um we
do do another substantive change with
[1:40:37] the regulations I'll make note so that
we carry this over because this is a
[1:40:42] pretty small change but if we have
another public hearing public hearing
[1:40:46] yeah yeah yeah just to eliminate the use
of character
[1:40:50] yes and that's all I have for four 4 a
thank you for
[1:40:56] 4B I know we did the survey is that
that's done with right so yeah the
[1:41:01] survey has gone out I sent a link to
Tony so he could share the data you want
[1:41:06] to email that to everyone that would be
ideal the takeaway from all the data
[1:41:11] essentially is status quo do nothing
they are not a problem um so that was
[1:41:17] there are 33 survey respondents and the
general consensus was nothing to note as
[1:41:22] a problem not um a big concern and not
to take major action immediately have
[1:41:31] there only like 10 airbnbs so it would
be even if they all filled it out it
[1:41:35] would only be
[1:41:38] 33% um I just want to make sure that
Tony if you are okay with just sharing
[1:41:45] that link to yeah I'll share yeah I just
got it
[1:41:48] yesterday the people that have the
airbnbs were the ones suring oh no no
[1:41:52] we're not no no that's not what we that
was the joke that's the joke that was
[1:41:56] the joke Ser well was posted on the
website the mor homepage the point is
[1:42:01] there a way to cross reference and find
out if the people who responded are
[1:42:05] Airbnb owners they had to list their
address there you go yeah well I don't
[1:42:10] have that information and again it's a
relatively small so Survey Monkey for
[1:42:15] everyone to also know it's not as user
friendly as it used to be they're now
[1:42:20] charging a lot more so if you get more
than 25 respondents and you want to look
[1:42:25] at it and analyze it further I can look
at it as the administrator but I can't
[1:42:29] share it with everyone unless I pay
money which is obnoxious and I didn't
[1:42:35] think we were going to do a lot of
surveys if we were going to do a lot of
[1:42:38] surveys I would have opted in to pay um
but I can look at all the property
[1:42:43] owners and I can create a list for next
time of just who's responded 33 people
[1:42:48] out of a town of this population it's
not an overwhelming response
[1:42:53] granted it was posted on the town
website not a heavily trafficked web
[1:42:57] page so if we really wanted a more
robust reading from Town's people I
[1:43:03] would definitely suggest a larger
campaign of like going around to local
[1:43:08] businesses and making sure there's a QR
code to the survey at the at the time
[1:43:13] that we put out this survey it didn't
strike me as being like of an immediate
[1:43:20] need that we get a ton of responses but
if we change directions and we do think
[1:43:25] getting a broader swath of residents
response we'll definitely have to go
[1:43:29] about it in a broader way um just
because we're not all perusing Town
[1:43:35] websites regularly Tucker in course I'm
telling you it was funny when I was I
[1:43:41] left meeting last
night on a horse with a QR code on your
[1:43:48] back SP out the pz
survey so discuss it in more detail at
[1:43:54] our next yeah we want to get more
information everyone and we can skip or
[1:44:00] c d w well wow then we can talk about
5A was your
[1:44:08] T
up what do you board membership we GNA
[1:44:14] talk about 5 we should probably skip it
yeah tonight yeah I'm skipping it
[1:44:18] tonight no problem then well maybe what
I'll try to do is reach out to people
[1:44:23] who want to join I know Ken's interested
maybe see if they want to come to the
[1:44:27] next December meeting sounds like a
sounds like a great
[1:44:32] plan so I don't know what do you want to
talk
[1:44:38] about I
[1:44:43] would the regular meeting of the Morris
Planning and Zoning commission November
[1:44:47] 20th 2024 at 8:49 p.m. I second it
and I'll just call the question I'm not
[1:44:55] going to give a line item I mean a roll
call quote all those in favor
[1:45:01] yeah
extensions motion
[1:45:09] Carri meeting is been close at
approximately 8:49 p.m. on Wednesday
[1:45:15] member 2024
[1:45:24] who knows so
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