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Ready to go. All right looks like we've established quorum

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so I'm calling. To order this committee of the Wompa

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Committee for September 3rd 2026. This is a Waterfront master

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plan advisory committee. There is one absence, the chairman Peck,

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and I'll be taking this place today. He will be

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sorely missed. The next item will be any committee. Members

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announcements for today. I'm good, I don't have any announcements.

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It's good to be here, everybody. So far they're making

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it easy for me. So the next will be any

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director announcements. Oh, defer my announcements to the presentation. So

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nothing at this time.

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Next item is public comments for items that are on

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the agenda at this time. Is there any. Thank you?

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State your name and you have three minutes. Hi, Eric

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Meyer speaking as a private citizen. I'm upon a commissioner

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also, but I'm not speaking on behalf of the commission.

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I have two things I want to discuss briefly. As

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this process moves forward, it's going to come to the

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planning commission and it's also going to go to the

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city council. And there are subjective responses that I've heard

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a lot of you discuss and debate. And there are

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objective responses that we've seen in the form of the

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public meetings and the outcome of voting and however you

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feel about that, whatever. But I would like to suggest

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that you form our memorialize your own feelings about things

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a little bit more concisely. At this juncture, I've heard

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disparate opinions about some of the subject street ends, traffic,

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you know, et cetera, et cetera. The fisherman's kiosk, the

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otter area. And what I'd like to see from you,

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I think what the public needs or what the city

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needs. His confirmation of an agreement. So someone needs to

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make a motion about the various things which you agree

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on. As a lot of them you agree on. And

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so just whichever items do you feel you agree on,

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in my opinion, just to set it in stone, if

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you memorialize it through a motion, it'll make it much

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more certain to us and staff. Secondarily, with respect to

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how the design guidelines. Moral bays not like every other

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beach city more obey is a little bit more casual,

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for instance, kind of the Disneylandification, I call it, of

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what Avalo used to be sad in a way. And

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we've lost some of its quaint old features. And when

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you go down to the Waterfront and you sit down

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on an old log from a eucalyptus tree that was

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cut down 50 years ago and you eat your bologna

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sandwich while watching the otters. That's different than sitting on

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a concrete whale tail with fake starfish. And I just

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want you to keep in mind what morobay really is

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when you discuss your design guideline. And don't turn it

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into hardy plank and vinyl windows. Thank you very much.

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Is there anybody. On the queue. There are no raised

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hands in the keel. Thank you. Mr. Chair, just for

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the public's benefit will also take public comment after the

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staff presentation on the agenda item as well. There want

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to hear that. Okay, thank you. Uh, item five here.

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reviewed the minutes from our August 6, 2026 meeting. And,

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uh, at this time, if the questions or comments or

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to us. I move that we approve the minutes as

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presented. I'll second. All those in favor. Aye. Opposed.

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uh, at the chair's discretion, we're going to allow five

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minutes for speaker instead of the three. And so anyone

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in the audience that has any kind of comments on

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the revised preferred alternate, you can step four at this

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time and you have five minutes. Is that right? Or

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is it for the committee? So Mr. Chair, I will

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go ahead and start off with the staff presentation and

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the public. Thank you. Thank you for correct me. So

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I will start the presentation and then hand it over

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to Amy Sinsheimer with placeworks. Also, we have Alan Loomis

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couple of the slides as well. So here is the

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timeline that we present at each one pack meeting, you

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know, where are we going. So we actually have only

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an end on this work. Um, it's been great working

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the process wrapping up the preferred alternative. Really the focus

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of today's meeting is getting the final comments that the

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the revised preferred alternative. Also, we're going to introduce the

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design guidelines, which is going to be the focus of

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the October one - pack meeting. And that's pretty much

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the preferred alternative and introducing the design guidelines and preparation

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for the October 1PAC meeting. And I wanted to give

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a kind of high level overview, again, of the purpose

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of the Waterfront Master Plan and how that relates to

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zoning. In the city of Moro Bay before we hand

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it over to Amy to go over the referred alternative.

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So first, I wanted to really emphasize, I think I

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that the underlying is donating is what determines the allowed

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land uses. So the Waterfront is divided up among a

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few different zilling districts. We have Waterfront zoning district. We

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have commercial fishing visitor serving, uh, commercial parks and recreation,

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open space. And those zoning designations and those zoning code

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determine which types of land uses are allowed where. So

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with that in mind, the purpose of the Waterfront Master

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Plan is to one, provide a framework to make sure

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that new development keeps with a character of the Waterfront.

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the design guidelines that we're going to get to. We're

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going to introduce today and get to more in October.

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and public improvements and amenities that are needed to kind

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of wrap around that development allowed by the zoning code

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to make the waterfront function successfully. Then finally, since the

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city does own a lot of key sites on the

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kind of envision different land use concepts, um, for the

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city council to consider, um, for future development of those

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city owned parcels. And with that introduction, I'm going to

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turn it over to Amy to go over the revised

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draft referred alternative. So Amy is going to discuss how,

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um, place works and staff have made revisions to the

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preferred alternative to reflect the input that we got from

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WAMP back in August. So Amy. Great. Good afternoon committee

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and chair. Thanks for having us again. Um, so next

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slide, please. Just a refresher on the character areas that

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wastewater treatment plan, morodunes RV park and a little, um,

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additional area around there. You did not have a drawing

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for this area or a set of drawings for this

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area in August. So this is new. So just pausing

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here to let you see the kind of the full

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drawing before we dive into the one that has the

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proposals called out. So we can move on now. Um,

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so what we ended up drawing, um, on this next

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slide is to have the retaining of RV camping, but

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also including glamping on the site. And also, um, some

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public recreational uses. And we did redesign the area where

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the RV camping and storage is now. So you'll see

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that, um, number one on here that indicates the area

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where there would be RV camping. Then we have glamping

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closer to the creek. To the south. And then the

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area marked two is an area for public recreational uses,

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but we didn't actually draw any particular use. This could

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be baseball. It could be other sports pickleball soccer, et

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cetera. The details at this point, um, we believe are

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up to a particular proposal, but definitely interested in the

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committee's feedback. Um, item number four on this drawing is

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actually, um, the relocation of an existing parking area that's

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on the west side currently and the sea level rise

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analysis for the Waterfront master plan has indicated that within

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the horizon of the plan, 25 to 30 years, it's

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possible that there could be, you know, a lot of

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flooding issues on the west side. So we're drawing the

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parking into the east side. For the purposes of that

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impact. And then number five is the bridge over Moro

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this slide for the old wastewater treatment plant side and

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moral dunes RV. Park in the concrete plant site. So

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this is a kind of illustrative example of how the

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site could be developed at some point in the future,

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but it really is just illustrative, you know, at this

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point in time the city doesn't know exactly how a

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developer might bid on a request for proposals and how

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they might like to lay out a RV park or

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a glamping facility. So this is again, not set in

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stone by any means. It's really, um, inspirational illustrative drawing

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of how the area could be developed. And then at

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some point in time the city would issue a request

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for proposals and developers would, um, propose different development concepts

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that kind of fit within these parameters, but may also

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make more sense from a developer and economic standpoint. Okay.

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there are existing, uh, 170 existing RV camp spots and

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the way this has been drawn. It could accommodate at

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this one. So moving on, uh, to the areas that

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we've made revisions. So character areas one, two, and five,

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which is basically the area north of Beach Street, but

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south of where we just were looking. There weren't a

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lot of edits. There weren't a lot of comments that

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to extend the harbor walk along the shoreline from Coleman

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a couple of slides. And then also to include a

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class one bikeway or multi - use path. On the

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road on the east side of the embarkadero. And that

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the next one. So you can see the harbor walk

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this drawing. You can't really see the bike way that

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proposal have been updated here. Next slide. And we can

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go past the tables. And then on this one, you

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can see a little more clearly the pink harbor walk

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extension. Towards the rock. And next slide. So these cross

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sections are very similar, but a little bit modified from

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the last set that you saw. So this first slide

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just shows where the cross sections of embarcadero are drawn.

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cross section in both locations. Now it's hard to see

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at this scale, but on the far right, it does

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indicate that there would be a multi - use path.

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there are still bike lanes in the roadway as well

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going north and south. So it's an option for bikes.

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Which facility they would like to use. And we'll go

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a slightly different. Location along Embarcadero Road. And we'll go

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to the next slide. So this slide, um, just the

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drawing underneath the parking has changed. Um, we did get

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some comments about parking numbers in this area. And we

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are happy to, um, discuss that. During the, uh, the

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Q and A a little bit later. We have some

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numbers now that actually split out the east side from

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the west side of embarcadero on the right side of

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this graphic. So we'll go to the next slide. And

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Amy. Can you give me a thumbs up or? We

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hear you. Audio is coming through. Yes. Thank you. Um,

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so appreciating able to participate remotely this afternoon. Uh, I'm

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going to speak to market plaza and street ends. Um,

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at our last meeting, uh, August, kind of two directions

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on these two topics that are reflected now and kind

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of the way we're thinking about the drawings. The first

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bullet, kind of the most significant was that the committee

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deferred identifying a specific land use strategy for the market

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plaza, uh, parking lot and associated building that's on a

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city lease. And suggested that instead the primary issues with

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that site are design oriented and that we should address

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that through the design guidelines of the Waterfront Master plan.

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Um, so we've started outlining as we think about potential

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development scenarios on that site. Like what are the key.

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Design topics that we need to address? And that'll be

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on upcoming slide. And then there was also a kind

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of direction to revise the way we've drawn this street

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end plaza at the end of moral bay boulevard. The

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earlier drawing, we, we first showed, uh, encroached upon the

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801 embarcadero or the Libertine lease site. So we've made

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a somewhat subtle revision to that drawing to reflect the

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difference between public space and the lease site. So the

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next slide. Brings up, uh, illustration of market plaza. So

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this is not intended to be a proposal that's being

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recommended for market plaza. This is very similar in some

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ways to an earlier kind of, um, more intense development

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scenario that was shown at one of the earlier workshops

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that by and large. Most community members, uh, committee members

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sort of suggest it was not appropriate for the market

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plaza. But that being said, the underlying zoning, um, on

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this site does permit a developer to submit a proposal

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to the city that would maximize the potential of this

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site with the presumed premise that that development would have

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to replace any public parking, um, that's currently on the

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parking lot. And then probably, you know, most likely also

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self - park the new development on that site. And

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there's very little ways of thinking about that scenario. Um,

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without imagining that there ends up being effectively a two

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story parking structure on that site with buildings on top

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of it. So this drawing is illustrating the embarcadero and

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the waterfront is, uh, in the lower right, um, effectively

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at bird's eye seagull view looking to the southeast. So

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the bluff in downtown is kind of oriented in your

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upper left in this illustration. And as we think about

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that kind of, very intense development scenario, well, we've highlighted

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in the pink callouts are some of the kind of

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key design topics that we think such a building would

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have to be addressing. And so these are not the

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specific design guidelines. They're really just calling out this sort

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of ideas that we would need to address and open

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to the committee sort of feedback on, are we kind

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of hitting the mark or do we think the other

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topics. To take on? So without going through all six

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of the call outs, um, I just point out that,

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you know, there's potentially a very significant kind of building

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face engaging directly onto the embarcadero. So we think, you

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know, having guidelines that address how those storefronts are treated

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and modulated so that it begins, um, to look like,

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you know, it's not one long building, but potentially looks

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like a collection of smaller buildings, um, potentially the third

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floor located on the embarkadero side. So we think like

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there's these design guidelines that suggest those larger, taller portions

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of the building are kind of broken up into smaller

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pieces. We think there should be some sort of guidelines

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suggesting that there should be direct access through stairs from

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embarcadero to some upper level plaza. That's probably at the

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level of market street. And that any buildings that are

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located on this kind of platform that the market street

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level should be smaller structures, more kind of character with

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the size of existing buildings and the downtown. And that

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they should have modulated roof lines. Um, and so that's,

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these are some of the ideas that we're starting to

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flag here is saying if such a building were to

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come to the city as a proposal, how would the

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guidelines begin to help city staff and committees and commission

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sort of modulate this building and respond to this context.

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Um, some of these guidelines might apply to sort of

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lower scale development, but the reality is that unless the

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existing parking is completely replaced, uh, relocated, uh, existing development

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is likely to take the footprint of the building that

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is there today with a surface parking lot. Um, so

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this is looking, as I said, at a somewhat extreme

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scenario, um, but one that's possible within the context of

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the zoning. So we think it's appropriate that the design

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guidelines, uh, provide some guidance for this possibility. So with

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that, we can move to the next slide. So looking

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at the street ends, uh, scenarios, as I mentioned, the

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drawing that addresses more obey boulevard street end or the

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one directly Jason to market plaza kind of as you

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kind of cascade down the stairs towards the waterfront. The

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original drawing that produced sort of encroached onto the leasehold

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site. This illustration is in the upper right. And there

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is a very subtle change in this illustration to indicate

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that what appears to be a portion of that street

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end plaza would actually be, um, a plaza or kind

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of public space that we'd be developed and concert with

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the leasehold site, uh, and would effectively be sort of,

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um, done independently of any sort of street and plaza.

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And this is while we draw in as relatively consistent

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with the most recent leasehold proposal that the city's received

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for what's known as the Libertine site. So it's very

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subtle change to the drawing, but one, that's important to

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recognize where right of way and leasehold sites, uh, bound

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reserve on. So in the next slide, sequence of slides,

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um, this really comes back to this other kind of

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consistence at a slide to be produced for the other,

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um, uh, character areas of sort of following the circulation

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pass, the harbor walk and pink bike lanes and dash

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purple and vehicular circulation or the roadways and the kind

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of teal color for the market plaza site. And then

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this case, you can see the drawing here is indicating

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what is so far been kind of the preferred scenario

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for this site, which is to expand the existing parking

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lot to increase some parking supply and effectively leave the

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existing, uh, building that front side of market street in

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place. So that's what these drawings are showing. And so

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these drawings do not show any change to circulation patterns

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from what was shared at the August meeting. And next

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slide. Uh, and again, this also shows to kind of

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disposition of parking in the accounts for parking between the

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two street end conditions and the expanded, um, parking lot,

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uh, public parking lot at the market plaza site. And

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so they're again, no changes to this drawing or these

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counts in comparison to what we presented in August. So

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next slide. Um, so with that, I'm going to turn

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it back over to, uh, Ayrlan to kind of round

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out the presentation. So this concludes the, um, the first

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part of this agenda item, which is the draft preferred

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alternative. The specific ask of WAMPAC is to provide your

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final feedback on the revised draft preferred alternative. And then

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I have just a couple of slides on the second

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part, which is the, uh, Design Guidelines introduction. So I'll

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go ahead and present those slides. And then the one

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pack we want to ask questions of staff and open

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it up to the public. So second part of this,

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uh, introduction to Design Guidelines. Again, we're going to have

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a full discussion about this in October. And Allen just,

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um, already touched on this talking about the different, um,

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possibilities for design guidelines at market plaza kind of shape

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the massine and form of a building at that site.

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Um, but as far as introduction, I wanted to just

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emphasize really the purpose of the design guidelines. So first

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is to ensure that new development is compatible with that,

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you know, working Waterfront fishing village character. Of the Waterfront.

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The design guidelines are heavily focused on protecting public views.

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The Design Guidelines specifically define what is meant by public

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views and specifically says that means it does not protect

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private views from businesses or residences or any other private

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view. And the Design Guideline specifically call out the Bay

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Harbor Rock and Sandspit as those resources to be protected

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from public view standpoint. Then something else that I think

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is a little unique and very forward thinking of the

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96 Waterfront Master Plan designed Guidelines is that they very

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intentionally focus more on building mass and scale over architectural

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design. So I think the Design Guidelines even specifically call

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out, um, downtown stand up barbar saying, we're not, our

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intent isn't, um, define a specific architectural style like downtown,

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stand up barbarous kind of mission style. But instead to

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focus on, uh, form and massing. To allow four more

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of a diverse eclectic variety of architectural styles. And so

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that's my kind of initial, um, introduction on design guidelines,

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a important ask of the Juanpack is that you do

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review the current 1996 Waterfront Master Plan aside Guidelines before

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the October meetings. So we're prepared to have a full

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discussion and a kind of substantive discussion on that in

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October. Um, with that, I'll turn it back over to

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the chair for questions of staff.

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Is there any, I'm sure there is questions and comments

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for staff. Mary, we can start with you. Is it

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just questions right now and then we'll do public comment

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correct. Okay. Um, I had a question regarding character area

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six is the, we said something about, you know, leaving

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it open - ended in terms of, um, different designs

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from developer proposals is the proposal then to just kind

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of zone to allow those or call out zoning to

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allow those uses specifically in those areas. Or kind of

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what, since we're leaving it open - ended to development

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proposals regarding the specific design, what would go into the

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master plan that kind of expresses the view of those

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uses, such as the rec facilities or art camping.

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So the. So the Waterfront Master Plan would identify.

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Those uses so the glamping, the RV camping. And then

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now we added an area showing the kind of recreational

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fields and leaving that, um, that open, not specifying specific

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types of recreational facilities at this time. Um. It would

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be through a subsequent process, um, after the Waterfront Master

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Plan is finalized when the city is ready to go

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out for a request for proposals where the council at

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that point, um, likely with input from other committees like

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recreation and park committee on the specific types of recreational

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facilities that would make the most sense on that site.

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And that should be identified in the request for proposals.

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Thank you. Hello. Uh, okay. So my question is, um,

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for the access between market street and the embarkadero, um,

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prior to the, this Waterfront master plan, um, there were

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other workshops regarding an elevator or some kind of form

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of ADA transport from the top of the bluff to

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the bottom of the bluff. I know that when we

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had other workshops for this one, it was brought up,

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um, I do understand that there was a survey done

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and it was omitted from one of the options. But

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is there, um, a reason why it cannot be put

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in this preferred alternative because it was requested at other

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times, but that survey was the only one that didn't

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have it. And I think a lot of people who

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took the survey didn't realize that it wasn't included in

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keeping the current stairs. So like, uh, Alan presented

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the direction we heard from Juanpacket, the last meeting for

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market plaza was to let the zoning. Kind of do

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its job, identify the uses that are allowed on the

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site. And then when the city in the future is

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used in RFP, we can receive different proposals for those

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allowed uses. But looking then at the rule of the

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Waterfront Master Plan as controlling the architectural design, they can

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elevator is a feature that, um, the city council could

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certainly put into, um, the requirements for an RFP to

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be incorporated. But that would be more of a use

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function than design guidelines. Um, with that said, I think

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it would make sense for, you know, as one pack

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develops your recommendation on the Waterfront Master Plan to have

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some type of comment that you forward to planning commission

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and council, um, uh, there is a need for an

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elevator and that should be considered in any future development

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plans for the site. So you're just referring to the

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site as the, um, the building that's currently being rented,

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that it would be part of that RFP. Or are

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you talking about a city? So I'm talking about the.

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Looking at the site currently as it is at zone

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visitor serving commercial under the zoning code that allows for

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a hotel allows for restaurant, you know, retail, um, development.

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We wouldn't specify what type of, uh, use goes on

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that site because that's a decision later for the council

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when they, um, approve an RFP to go out for

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potential developers to propose on. But instead just focus on

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the design guidelines or how to protect what would be

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inappropriate height limit to protect public views of the bay,

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the different ideas of, um, very facades and roof pitches

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like Alan was talking about that would be really the

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role of the Waterfront Master plan on those design features,

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in those design features. Okay. Yeah. I just, I still

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feel that an elevator can be included in the design,

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especially if we're saying that the courtyard instead of parking

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in the one zone and we're drawing up that. And

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then so my next question is, um, the intersection at

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the bottom of beach street and in the embarkadero front

476
00:32:33,924 --> 00:32:38,703
street as well. Um, with the change of it shutting

477
00:32:38,743 --> 00:32:43,263
off the one inlet, it still creates this parallelogram, kind

478
00:32:43,263 --> 00:32:48,443
of an odd format for pedestrians to walk. And, um,

479
00:32:49,044 --> 00:32:51,183
as far as that goes, it has been, the comments

480
00:32:51,223 --> 00:32:56,463
have been made to make that more, uh, friendly to

481
00:32:56,644 --> 00:33:01,143
pedestrians. And then help with the flow of traffic. So

482
00:33:01,524 --> 00:33:03,263
I was just wondering if there was a way that

483
00:33:03,364 --> 00:33:09,471
we could see that in, um, this preferred alternative. Um,

484
00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:12,191
yeah, so I'll leave that to Amy or Alan to

485
00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:14,031
respond to you. But, um, first I did want to

486
00:33:14,031 --> 00:33:16,431
go back to your comment about the elevator at, at

487
00:33:16,772 --> 00:33:22,031
market plaza and just reiterate that even though the approach,

488
00:33:22,031 --> 00:33:25,071
we're now taking is design guideline focused. I think it

489
00:33:25,071 --> 00:33:28,911
would be appropriate for one pack to forward a comment

490
00:33:29,652 --> 00:33:33,071
to planning commission and council that future development proposals should

491
00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:36,591
consider an elevator. So I just want to end as,

492
00:33:36,591 --> 00:33:38,831
um, as Eric Meyer mentioned during public comment, that could

493
00:33:38,831 --> 00:33:41,151
be an example of something someone can make a motion

494
00:33:41,151 --> 00:33:43,631
on and then that could be a recommendation that gets

495
00:33:43,631 --> 00:33:53,109
forwarded onto the decision makers. Hi, so responding about

496
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:55,809
Beat Street, we did actually draw that a little bit

497
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:59,029
differently in the big drawing, but it's probably a little

498
00:33:59,029 --> 00:34:02,429
bit hard to see the change at the scale. I

499
00:34:02,429 --> 00:34:04,149
don't know if we want to pull up that slide

500
00:34:04,189 --> 00:34:13,753
again. There it is. So it is

501
00:34:15,214 --> 00:34:18,393
drawn a bit differently. We kind of reduce the size

502
00:34:18,393 --> 00:34:22,713
of the public plaza part of that area. Um, in

503
00:34:22,713 --> 00:34:25,753
order to change the geometry. So if you want to

504
00:34:25,793 --> 00:34:27,973
take a look at it, um, like when you can

505
00:34:28,094 --> 00:34:31,353
zoom in more and let us know if you still,

506
00:34:31,353 --> 00:34:33,033
I don't know if you already noticed that or not.

507
00:34:33,033 --> 00:34:37,433
So, um, yeah. It wasn't consistent across the different diagram.

508
00:34:37,433 --> 00:34:39,513
So that's what I was wondering. Is this if this

509
00:34:39,534 --> 00:34:42,313
was, and that's really small. So yeah. And I apologize

510
00:34:42,313 --> 00:34:46,313
that the street ends diagram wasn't updated properly. Um, so

511
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:52,153
this is the new overall drawing that is underlaying everything.

512
00:34:52,153 --> 00:34:53,913
So, okay. Great. Thanks.

513
00:35:04,032 --> 00:35:11,272
Yeah. Back on Beach Street. Have you, has there been

514
00:35:11,272 --> 00:35:17,885
any. Thought on putting maybe like a roundabout there instead

515
00:35:17,885 --> 00:35:24,289
of. Everybody loves roundabouts? This is a perfect space for

516
00:35:24,329 --> 00:35:31,278
it. How funny is that? You know, I'm against roundabouts.

517
00:35:31,278 --> 00:35:33,438
So that is funny. But we want to keep all

518
00:35:33,478 --> 00:35:35,998
our options open. I just wondered if they, if there

519
00:35:35,998 --> 00:35:38,318
was any study or anything done on them to get

520
00:35:38,318 --> 00:35:43,252
that, because my focus is on traffic flow. So if

521
00:35:43,252 --> 00:35:47,012
you want to, you're kind of choking that area out.

522
00:35:47,012 --> 00:35:48,212
So I just didn't know if you looked at all

523
00:35:48,212 --> 00:35:51,372
the options or we just, that's off the table. Or

524
00:35:51,372 --> 00:35:53,032
I mean, I want everything on the table. We can

525
00:35:53,032 --> 00:35:54,692
pick and choose what we want. I'm not saying that's

526
00:35:54,692 --> 00:35:56,772
what we have to do. I want to know what's

527
00:35:56,772 --> 00:36:01,036
been done. I want all the information to see. We

528
00:36:01,057 --> 00:36:05,766
can double check with our transportation teammate. But my recollection

529
00:36:05,787 --> 00:36:08,948
is that wasn't an option there. We can double check.

530
00:36:08,948 --> 00:36:11,828
Thank you. Yeah. I just want to know if there

531
00:36:11,868 --> 00:36:20,233
was a study down on that. I was wondering if

532
00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:22,873
you can bring up the slide for a character area

533
00:36:23,214 --> 00:36:30,372
six if it's possible. In that area chose that, um,

534
00:36:31,373 --> 00:36:35,032
where the public works yards are and where the water

535
00:36:35,072 --> 00:36:39,992
plant building at houses, the reverse osmosis, they're not there.

536
00:36:39,992 --> 00:36:43,978
So where it becomes of them. Is there a destination

537
00:36:43,999 --> 00:36:49,629
for those facilities. To put this in the words. You

538
00:36:49,629 --> 00:36:53,780
showed the parking where those things are now. Yeah. That,

539
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:56,780
that's actually a really good point. Coming member Donnelly. So

540
00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:59,780
we will make sure to coordinate with the public works

541
00:36:59,881 --> 00:37:04,340
department. I know there is some, uh, essential infrastructure there

542
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:06,660
that may still be needed long term. So we'll make

543
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:10,660
sure that those are not, um, shown as future development

544
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:15,837
sites. Well, in that area, it's all plumbed up. For

545
00:37:16,018 --> 00:37:19,917
the new recycling. Right. Yeah. So exactly. So any site

546
00:37:19,917 --> 00:37:23,757
that we know will be necessary for IPR or for

547
00:37:23,778 --> 00:37:27,757
the current wastewater treatment plant operations, um, those would maintain.

548
00:37:27,757 --> 00:37:29,837
We're not proposing to replace those. But we'll coordinate with

549
00:37:29,837 --> 00:37:32,317
public works to make sure we identify the right facilities

550
00:37:33,618 --> 00:37:36,526
and show them on the plan. Also, there is a

551
00:37:36,566 --> 00:37:38,606
note there. It's hard to read, but it talks about

552
00:37:38,646 --> 00:37:43,365
the bridge of our moral creek. And I think I

553
00:37:43,365 --> 00:37:44,925
went time you were going to, somebody was going to

554
00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:50,085
check the conditional development permit that the state posed upon

555
00:37:50,085 --> 00:37:52,485
that bridge about what can or cannot be done in

556
00:37:52,525 --> 00:37:54,565
the future of that location. Did anybody check that out.

557
00:37:55,993 --> 00:37:59,472
Uh, yeah. So I had a brief conversation with, uh,

558
00:37:59,913 --> 00:38:04,352
our coastal commission staff planners. And they indicated that, you

559
00:38:04,352 --> 00:38:07,252
know, of course, anytime you're proposing to build or widen

560
00:38:07,353 --> 00:38:11,892
a bridge over a stream and a brother, sensitive habitat,

561
00:38:11,892 --> 00:38:18,692
um, area, concerns, um, policy issues to address through that

562
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:22,852
planning process, but they also said the, um, there's no,

563
00:38:22,852 --> 00:38:26,452
uh, strict, uh, condition or policy that would prevent that.

564
00:38:26,452 --> 00:38:28,932
So it would have to go through. So when the

565
00:38:28,932 --> 00:38:31,892
pedestrian bridge was permitted, it received what's called a coastal

566
00:38:31,913 --> 00:38:35,572
development permit waiver from the coastal commission. Um, so there

567
00:38:35,572 --> 00:38:38,292
would be a process for the city to, um, apply

568
00:38:38,332 --> 00:38:41,092
for a new waiver to allow for widening of that

569
00:38:41,132 --> 00:38:44,132
bridge. And of course, we'd have to consider, um, extra

570
00:38:44,233 --> 00:38:48,112
impacts, um, possibly, you know, sea level rise impacts, but

571
00:38:48,112 --> 00:38:51,252
there is a path forward for that proposal to be

572
00:38:51,252 --> 00:38:56,984
submitted and approved by coastal commission. I really don't see

573
00:38:57,024 --> 00:39:00,084
how you can widen it to make it work. Um,

574
00:39:00,845 --> 00:39:02,984
you need to really actually remove and put in a

575
00:39:03,024 --> 00:39:05,784
highway bridge like they're doing on self - eat boulevard

576
00:39:05,784 --> 00:39:08,744
right now. Yeah. And when I say widen, I don't

577
00:39:08,765 --> 00:39:11,544
literally mean necessarily widening, but just replacing it with the

578
00:39:11,544 --> 00:39:14,164
bridge that could handle, you know, regular vehicle traffic. And

579
00:39:14,164 --> 00:39:15,944
of course, we leave that to the engineers to design

580
00:39:15,965 --> 00:39:19,059
and plan out. Also on this area, and I brought

581
00:39:19,059 --> 00:39:21,539
this up before the character area six, we assured the

582
00:39:21,579 --> 00:39:26,739
RV parking. That, that's an underflood. And that has flooded.

583
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:29,299
So it seems to me anything that goes in there.

584
00:39:29,299 --> 00:39:32,099
It must be conditioned with the heaven and already evacuation

585
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,979
plan for anybody that might be there when the flood

586
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,919
comes like this winter. We expect some big floods. And

587
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,459
that area will definitely flood out again. I'd hate to

588
00:39:41,499 --> 00:39:43,619
see some campers getting floated in a way because they

589
00:39:43,659 --> 00:39:46,659
didn't know that they were supposed to evacuate. Is there

590
00:39:46,699 --> 00:39:48,979
some condition that could be posed upon any development there.

591
00:39:50,886 --> 00:39:53,185
So, I mean, we already have policies in our general

592
00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:55,965
plan and standards in our zoning code dealing with, um,

593
00:39:56,006 --> 00:39:58,785
development in a floodplain that any feature development would have

594
00:39:58,785 --> 00:40:00,865
to comply with. So I think we already have that

595
00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:10,086
covered. On this slide, or this thing for the character

596
00:40:10,107 --> 00:40:13,366
areas one, two and five, it talks about the moral

597
00:40:13,406 --> 00:40:16,674
rock parking area. A couple of things. They show the

598
00:40:16,714 --> 00:40:19,854
new parking layout there, which I guess was new. I'd

599
00:40:19,854 --> 00:40:23,714
never seen that before. And I'm just wondering if in

600
00:40:23,714 --> 00:40:26,194
coming up with the quantity of parking spots, did you

601
00:40:26,234 --> 00:40:32,354
use the zoning code, what, 17, 27, 110 about parking

602
00:40:32,535 --> 00:40:36,114
widths to come up with your quantity of parking spaces.

603
00:40:36,114 --> 00:40:42,524
They're supposed to be nine foot wide parking spaces. Yes.

604
00:40:42,705 --> 00:40:47,384
We adhere to the size standards. This is a conceptual

605
00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:51,464
drawing. So, um, obviously when you're actually laying out a

606
00:40:51,464 --> 00:40:54,344
parking lot, you would make sure that it's exactly right.

607
00:40:54,344 --> 00:40:56,504
But that, that is what we were using to understand

608
00:40:56,685 --> 00:41:01,446
how many spaces could be included. Um, will they be

609
00:41:01,486 --> 00:41:04,326
reusing those concrete piles that are out there right now.

610
00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:09,792
And I tell you right now, um, somebody, you know,

611
00:41:09,792 --> 00:41:12,052
got high centered on one the other night. And when

612
00:41:12,233 --> 00:41:15,572
the tow truck guy came out, he said, he's had

613
00:41:16,153 --> 00:41:19,252
50 people like that this year. They don't see them.

614
00:41:19,252 --> 00:41:21,522
And they drive up onto him and get stuck. I

615
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:24,162
can't speak to that, but I think this would be,

616
00:41:24,162 --> 00:41:27,012
uh, there'd be some redesign happening. Are you going to

617
00:41:27,153 --> 00:41:31,230
reuse those columns. Committing member Donald, your way ahead of

618
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:33,910
us here with, um, the kind of engineering details. I

619
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:36,590
know you have an engineering background. This is very much

620
00:41:36,931 --> 00:41:40,350
kind of high level conceptual, but certainly like those types

621
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:43,230
of details will have to be addressed at some point

622
00:41:43,411 --> 00:41:45,930
when an actual project is scoped out and designed, but

623
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:47,870
we're still at a very high level with the Waterfront

624
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:53,279
Master plan. And it also mentioned about constructing and access

625
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:56,639
stare form the parking lot down to the beach level.

626
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,879
And what I recommended at one time is that you

627
00:41:58,919 --> 00:42:01,279
get the existing revetment. And if you just place those

628
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:03,919
rocks that you have a flat level surface with each

629
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:06,399
of the rocks, you can make a stairway of stepping

630
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,179
down to that beach just by rearranging some of the

631
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,039
rocks that are already there. I'd be a lot simpler

632
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,919
to do a lot less expensive. Just an idea.

633
00:42:25,927 --> 00:42:29,698
On the, uh, market plaza street ends. You show three

634
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,098
locations where you want to widen the sidewalks. Who does

635
00:42:34,138 --> 00:42:37,378
that with the city be obligated and make those whitenings

636
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,498
or a developer that comes in and does improvements make

637
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:44,817
who does a physical whitening of the sidewalks. It would

638
00:42:44,817 --> 00:42:47,697
be a developer, if there was a proposed development of

639
00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:55,201
an adjacent lease cider private property. Yeah, it's only half

640
00:42:55,222 --> 00:43:05,212
right now. Um. Let's see. Back to

641
00:43:06,033 --> 00:43:11,704
character area six. Um, just a question, does that, so

642
00:43:11,704 --> 00:43:16,384
I'm guessing the current zoning allows for storage. And I

643
00:43:16,384 --> 00:43:23,494
don't see a description of storage. In the descriptions. And

644
00:43:23,695 --> 00:43:26,460
I'm hoping that. Storage isn't going to be included as

645
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:28,540
we move forward. It seems like a little bit of

646
00:43:28,561 --> 00:43:32,840
a waste of space. Just that's just a comment. Um,

647
00:43:33,521 --> 00:43:37,180
the second thing is I would encourage folks to take

648
00:43:37,201 --> 00:43:40,700
a look at the Harvard Tarous project in Port San

649
00:43:40,721 --> 00:43:43,500
Louis. That was a 14 or 15 acre tank site

650
00:43:43,921 --> 00:43:47,100
in Port St. Louis that was very industrial and it's

651
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:50,460
been changed completely. And to, uh, I think I've said

652
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:53,020
this before, but I'll just, I'll repeat myself. It's been

653
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:57,260
changed to a glamping and camping area. Um, with amenities,

654
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,820
recreation amenities and tent camping and all sorts of things.

655
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:04,700
So, um, you can do some amazing things with property.

656
00:44:06,381 --> 00:44:09,960
Um, let's go to character areas one, two and five.

657
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,080
You don't need to, um, move the screen. When we

658
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,280
talk about the moral rock parking, um, area in your

659
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,600
description, A2 and A3, um, and this is kind of

660
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,640
a little tiki tacky, but it seems like that could

661
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,240
be one description because we talk about, um, the parking

662
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,280
area in a natural context through the use of rocks,

663
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,080
wood ballards, cables. And then in A3, we talk about

664
00:44:33,261 --> 00:44:37,880
enhanced maintenance accessibility, um, improved service and restripe. And I'm

665
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:47,357
just. Thinking that restriping dirt. Is probably what. So sorry.

666
00:44:47,458 --> 00:44:50,397
Am I a header behind you? Sorry, we're trying to,

667
00:44:50,397 --> 00:44:51,757
I know you said not to pull up a slide,

668
00:44:51,757 --> 00:44:54,217
but we did anyway. Before our slides so we can

669
00:44:54,217 --> 00:44:57,655
follow along. It's slide 26. If you want to go

670
00:44:57,655 --> 00:44:57,735
there.

671
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:10,566
Or I can just talk about it.

672
00:45:28,118 --> 00:45:29,777
Sorry. Now that we have it in front of us,

673
00:45:29,777 --> 00:45:34,084
could you repeat your question one more time? Or your

674
00:45:34,124 --> 00:45:38,964
comment? Yes. Um, and on slide 26 on character areas

675
00:45:38,985 --> 00:45:41,284
one, two and five, were you talking about the moral

676
00:45:41,324 --> 00:45:44,884
rock parking lot? Um, uh, it seems like A2 and

677
00:45:44,924 --> 00:45:47,524
A3 might be able to be combined into one point

678
00:45:47,625 --> 00:45:51,444
because you talk about, uh, improve the parking area in

679
00:45:51,484 --> 00:45:55,364
a natural context with bollards on and on. And then

680
00:45:55,364 --> 00:45:57,844
in the second A3, you talk a little bit about,

681
00:45:57,844 --> 00:46:01,044
um, enhanced maintenance, improved surface and restripe. And it seems

682
00:46:01,044 --> 00:46:03,124
like an odd thing to restrict. If we're not going

683
00:46:03,124 --> 00:46:07,204
to do, um, some sort of surfacing. And so anyway,

684
00:46:07,244 --> 00:46:09,684
just a thought. That's a thought. And then the final

685
00:46:09,865 --> 00:46:11,684
comment I have is not on this, but on the

686
00:46:11,684 --> 00:46:17,444
last market, um, market plaza area, I love the idea

687
00:46:17,705 --> 00:46:21,524
of putting in, making a comment, even emotion, um, about

688
00:46:21,785 --> 00:46:25,364
some sort of people mover instead of an elevator. Because

689
00:46:25,364 --> 00:46:28,764
I think in my head, um, elevators are kind of

690
00:46:28,764 --> 00:46:33,044
utilitarian, but the, you know, funiculars and cool people movers.

691
00:46:33,044 --> 00:46:35,924
So, um, maybe I like the idea of having that

692
00:46:36,425 --> 00:46:39,844
ability, but maybe it's just specify or not specify exactly

693
00:46:40,425 --> 00:46:47,284
an elevator. And that's it. Thanks. For the funcular. Thank

694
00:46:47,324 --> 00:46:51,364
you. A couple, a couple of questions. First, that would

695
00:46:51,364 --> 00:46:56,324
be that, um, do I understand these drawings are strictly

696
00:46:56,505 --> 00:47:03,604
conceptual to generate discussion and comments that, that they're just

697
00:47:03,604 --> 00:47:07,444
ideas and things from what's on what we've been presented

698
00:47:07,865 --> 00:47:12,689
and what reality might be could be completely different. So.

699
00:47:14,806 --> 00:47:18,145
So yes, so let me break it down into the

700
00:47:18,185 --> 00:47:22,225
different, different parts. So there is the land use concepts

701
00:47:22,246 --> 00:47:26,545
on city owned land, like the old treatment plant site.

702
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:30,679
So those are conceptual and use concepts. And we can't

703
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,559
plan out all the details of exactly what would ultimately

704
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,839
make sense on those sites from a, like economic standpoint

705
00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:39,159
from a developer and what the city councils desires are

706
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:43,200
when they issue RFP. So that's conceptual. Uh, when we

707
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,080
get to the design guidelines, that actually is going to

708
00:47:45,141 --> 00:47:49,360
be, um, regulatory. So the design guidelines, those are going

709
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,860
to be applied to any future development project in the

710
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:57,040
Waterfront area. So those are, um, those hold more like

711
00:47:57,061 --> 00:47:59,840
regulatory weight. Those aren't just conceptual. Those are real design

712
00:47:59,861 --> 00:48:03,950
guidelines that will be applied. To development. And then the

713
00:48:04,051 --> 00:48:09,710
aspect of the infrastructure roadways, uh, public amenities. And those

714
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:15,906
are, um, those are. Also, um, conceptual. They're a little

715
00:48:15,906 --> 00:48:18,346
bit more, a little bit more precise, but those are,

716
00:48:18,346 --> 00:48:21,706
um, conceptual, the types of infrastructure that would be needed

717
00:48:21,727 --> 00:48:26,106
to support future development on the Waterfront. And it really

718
00:48:26,106 --> 00:48:28,906
would depend on, you know, funding and what types of

719
00:48:28,927 --> 00:48:35,382
development projects that we see come in. So I have

720
00:48:35,382 --> 00:48:42,062
a clear. So these drawings are, they're strictly conceptual. In

721
00:48:42,062 --> 00:48:44,582
other words, for an example of the layout in the

722
00:48:44,683 --> 00:48:47,302
drawings of what is at the bottom of embarketeral and

723
00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:52,742
beach street, is that conceptual or is that the approach

724
00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:57,062
to eliminate that problem there at that, that intersection? That

725
00:48:57,062 --> 00:48:59,222
would be the city's official plan on how to eliminate

726
00:48:59,243 --> 00:49:03,251
that problem at that intersection. That would be the city's

727
00:49:03,272 --> 00:49:07,731
official plan. That would be the, essentially the circulation plan,

728
00:49:07,731 --> 00:49:11,491
um, to address the issues with that intersection on what's

729
00:49:11,491 --> 00:49:16,277
drawn here? Yes. Okay. But again, it's drawn out of

730
00:49:16,277 --> 00:49:19,717
conceptual level. So, um, of course, you know, when the

731
00:49:19,717 --> 00:49:21,477
city gets to the point of, you know, getting ready

732
00:49:21,517 --> 00:49:24,757
to go out to bid at that point, we're going

733
00:49:24,757 --> 00:49:28,437
to have much more precise engineered detailed plans. But it's

734
00:49:28,458 --> 00:49:35,887
the conceptual plan at this level. Mike.

735
00:49:39,084 --> 00:49:42,503
I'll move on. My question about, uh, the clamping area,

736
00:49:42,503 --> 00:49:47,063
the RV part. So the existing LEC there has five

737
00:49:47,103 --> 00:49:51,463
years left on their lease. So in this conceptual plan,

738
00:49:51,463 --> 00:49:56,343
the cities take it back and put out for RFP.

739
00:49:56,343 --> 00:50:02,266
The whole area there, or the more doom still. Get,

740
00:50:02,266 --> 00:50:03,546
in other words, what it looks like is one big

741
00:50:03,586 --> 00:50:10,737
giant project there eliminating morodunes trader part. So this is

742
00:50:12,678 --> 00:50:15,937
a conceptual plan. Um, it's not really looking at any

743
00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:20,897
particular leaseholder at, at this time. Um, so and I

744
00:50:20,897 --> 00:50:23,377
can't really get into any specifics on lease negotiations with

745
00:50:23,398 --> 00:50:25,857
any leaseholder. But this is more the long - term

746
00:50:25,857 --> 00:50:31,697
plan and any, you know, qualified developer could propose when

747
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:36,022
we do release an RFP. And my final question be,

748
00:50:36,022 --> 00:50:40,422
there will be a draft master Waterfront Master Plan come

749
00:50:40,462 --> 00:50:42,342
out that we'll be able to comment on and maybe

750
00:50:42,363 --> 00:50:48,344
fine tune when we get there or not. Yeah. No,

751
00:50:48,344 --> 00:50:53,944
good question. So, um, in November, we actually, we have

752
00:50:54,605 --> 00:51:01,143
a date set the week before Thanksgiving. November 17th is

753
00:51:01,183 --> 00:51:06,183
the plan date to have a public workshop here in

754
00:51:06,223 --> 00:51:12,423
this room for, uh, unveiling, um, the wampax recommended Waterfront

755
00:51:12,463 --> 00:51:13,943
Master Plan. So we're going to take all the input

756
00:51:14,204 --> 00:51:17,383
we get from you put that together into a draft

757
00:51:17,423 --> 00:51:19,783
waterfront master plan that we're going to present at the

758
00:51:19,804 --> 00:51:23,615
workshop on November 17th. And then that will get forward

759
00:51:23,636 --> 00:51:27,101
onto planning commission in January. And there will be an

760
00:51:27,101 --> 00:51:29,021
opportunity to public on that draft plan before the first

761
00:51:29,061 --> 00:51:36,741
planning commission meeting. Thank you. Wait, just a follow -

762
00:51:36,741 --> 00:51:40,821
up specifically on that before that plan is presented as

763
00:51:40,861 --> 00:51:44,421
the WAMPAX recommended master plan. Will we have a chance

764
00:51:44,522 --> 00:51:49,068
to review and comment on that master plan. So that

765
00:51:49,108 --> 00:51:53,708
is the goal of the November one pack meeting where

766
00:51:53,708 --> 00:51:58,748
we would present, I'll call it like the initial draft

767
00:51:58,788 --> 00:52:00,988
plan just to get kind of confirmation. And that is

768
00:52:00,988 --> 00:52:09,137
the direction of your recommendation. Thanks, Mary. Anybody else, any

769
00:52:09,137 --> 00:52:13,317
follow - ups? James. Thank you. You know, on the,

770
00:52:13,317 --> 00:52:18,971
um. On the power plant site, we can specify some

771
00:52:19,011 --> 00:52:23,891
of these roads like that would go to Quintana. I

772
00:52:23,891 --> 00:52:28,011
mean, we can design that into that property. So if

773
00:52:28,432 --> 00:52:31,851
they're going to, uh, improve that property or do anything

774
00:52:31,952 --> 00:52:38,944
with that property. We have, uh, access to a right

775
00:52:38,944 --> 00:52:44,110
away, so to speak, to get those roads in. Yeah.

776
00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:48,347
So let's, uh, let's think about that. So. We're anticipating

777
00:52:49,008 --> 00:52:51,936
at some point in the future. There will be a

778
00:52:51,957 --> 00:52:57,461
development application again on the vistra property. Let's say it's

779
00:52:57,482 --> 00:53:00,341
an application for a resort, which is allowed in the

780
00:53:00,341 --> 00:53:05,929
visitor serving commercial zoning district. Um, that would be a

781
00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:11,129
development project that would, um, definitely have impacts on circulation

782
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:16,424
on the waterfront. And so we would have a legal

783
00:53:16,525 --> 00:53:20,184
right and actually have an obligation to negotiate with the

784
00:53:20,224 --> 00:53:22,184
developer and say in order for us to address the

785
00:53:22,224 --> 00:53:25,384
impacts of your project, we need another roadway connecting to

786
00:53:25,885 --> 00:53:29,464
Quintana main highway one. And we'd like to see your

787
00:53:29,504 --> 00:53:33,944
plan show right away for that, that connection. And in

788
00:53:33,944 --> 00:53:36,104
fact, we have that planned right away already shown in

789
00:53:36,144 --> 00:53:38,504
the Waterfront Master Plan. This is what we've decided that

790
00:53:38,504 --> 00:53:40,864
we want to see here when the site developed. So

791
00:53:40,864 --> 00:53:44,024
that absolutely is something we have the authority to do.

792
00:53:44,024 --> 00:53:45,544
Good. And that can be, and that's what I'm getting

793
00:53:45,565 --> 00:53:47,224
at that we can put that here in this plan

794
00:53:47,485 --> 00:53:57,418
that the access. Right. Thank you. Anyone

795
00:53:57,418 --> 00:54:03,988
else. So now we're going to move on to, uh,

796
00:54:04,749 --> 00:54:08,392
public comment. Uh, I do want to comment on a

797
00:54:08,392 --> 00:54:12,212
couple of correspondence that we received as committee members. And

798
00:54:12,253 --> 00:54:14,372
Betty, I want to thank you for your correspondence. You

799
00:54:14,372 --> 00:54:15,912
do a lot of homework for me that I don't

800
00:54:15,912 --> 00:54:19,785
have to do. And then, uh, we've got a letter

801
00:54:20,046 --> 00:54:23,065
from a chamber and also letter from the master lease

802
00:54:23,166 --> 00:54:26,665
holders association. And before I comment on, I want to

803
00:54:27,246 --> 00:54:29,825
emphasize that I don't belong to either of them. So

804
00:54:30,526 --> 00:54:32,505
I have no bias in this, but I do appreciate

805
00:54:32,686 --> 00:54:35,385
your letters. I think they were well written. And I

806
00:54:35,385 --> 00:54:39,065
think they, they bring out points that, uh, both the

807
00:54:39,105 --> 00:54:43,065
chamber and the master organization that I think this committee

808
00:54:43,086 --> 00:54:45,305
has talked about over and over again for the last

809
00:54:45,305 --> 00:54:47,065
year and a half or so. So I do appreciate

810
00:54:47,406 --> 00:54:50,105
those, those letters. And they are red. I don't think

811
00:54:50,105 --> 00:54:52,665
I'm supposed to comment on them in writing, but I

812
00:54:52,766 --> 00:54:56,468
can comment on them today. So. Anyone, uh, with public

813
00:54:56,489 --> 00:54:59,428
comment, now's the time we're going to make it five

814
00:54:59,449 --> 00:55:01,668
minutes. You have five minutes because it's kind of a

815
00:55:01,689 --> 00:55:04,648
two part thing. So you have five minutes today. So

816
00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:08,408
welcome to the microphone state your name. And you have

817
00:55:08,509 --> 00:55:09,528
five minutes. Thank you.

818
00:55:19,473 --> 00:55:24,092
Thank you. Um, Betty Windholtz, I do want to note

819
00:55:24,132 --> 00:55:27,852
that I'm kind of hearing a mixed message that this

820
00:55:27,953 --> 00:55:30,092
is conceptual, but at the same time we can ask

821
00:55:30,193 --> 00:55:32,932
for a road now that we'll be there later. So

822
00:55:33,633 --> 00:55:38,572
my concern is on the plaza thing that even though

823
00:55:38,593 --> 00:55:42,332
it says it's not, um, this is what could be

824
00:55:42,353 --> 00:55:46,412
done in case of. But if it's in the plan

825
00:55:47,073 --> 00:55:49,772
by feeling it will in the future be interpreted as

826
00:55:50,113 --> 00:55:54,172
what will be. And so that becomes really kind of

827
00:55:54,753 --> 00:55:59,052
crazy to me, you know, we're, we're saying just maybe

828
00:55:59,073 --> 00:56:01,212
this is what we'll do. But if it's in the

829
00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:04,812
plan five years from now, some planning commission is going

830
00:56:04,812 --> 00:56:06,172
to say, Oh, but look at what they put in

831
00:56:06,172 --> 00:56:08,652
there. We have to do it this way. So I

832
00:56:08,673 --> 00:56:11,372
think language is going to be really important. And you

833
00:56:11,372 --> 00:56:15,452
need to pay attention to that if you would. I

834
00:56:15,492 --> 00:56:18,892
really don't like the idea of the harbor walk going

835
00:56:18,892 --> 00:56:22,492
down to the target rock. Um, that's where people pull

836
00:56:22,513 --> 00:56:25,932
in their cars where people go between their cars and

837
00:56:25,953 --> 00:56:29,372
the squirrels or the rocks and the otters to look.

838
00:56:29,372 --> 00:56:32,012
And if you put a walkway between the cars and

839
00:56:32,052 --> 00:56:35,932
the water, I think that's really breaking up people's access

840
00:56:36,993 --> 00:56:40,732
and continuity. And so I would prefer that you not

841
00:56:40,993 --> 00:56:43,772
extend the harbor walk past where it is right now.

842
00:56:44,353 --> 00:56:47,692
Um, I, I really object to the glamping being where

843
00:56:47,692 --> 00:56:51,772
it's moved. I don't think you all ask for that.

844
00:56:51,772 --> 00:56:54,712
And, um, and even though it's probably the more, uh,

845
00:56:55,313 --> 00:57:00,492
place for rich camping. That's nice. But Morodues is in

846
00:57:00,492 --> 00:57:03,692
the negotiation right now. Uh, the RV park. I think

847
00:57:03,713 --> 00:57:09,292
that's really uncomfortable. Um, to put this plan on top

848
00:57:09,332 --> 00:57:12,492
of their property. And it's not their property. It's our

849
00:57:12,492 --> 00:57:17,132
property. But there are leasing over that property right now.

850
00:57:17,132 --> 00:57:20,892
So I, I would rather have the glamping backward originally

851
00:57:20,993 --> 00:57:24,552
was not where the consultant chose to put it. Um,

852
00:57:25,313 --> 00:57:30,732
I, I had consistently heard that we don't want to,

853
00:57:30,732 --> 00:57:34,952
um, get rid of parking at the street ends. And

854
00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,532
the compromise on that little subcommittee was, well, we won't

855
00:57:37,532 --> 00:57:40,572
get rid of those unless we have something somewhere else.

856
00:57:40,572 --> 00:57:43,052
And my position is you don't get rid of what

857
00:57:43,092 --> 00:57:47,538
you got. You add to it. You don't want to

858
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:50,898
make one for one exchange on your parking because we

859
00:57:50,898 --> 00:57:54,578
don't have enough parking. You want what you've got. Plus

860
00:57:54,578 --> 00:57:57,378
you want to create more. So I don't, I hope

861
00:57:57,378 --> 00:58:01,198
you will not go along with the plan to, um,

862
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,878
put widen the sidewalks and get rid of parking. Um,

863
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:09,298
did that, did that. I'm going to maintain my concern

864
00:58:09,298 --> 00:58:12,238
about the back, the bike lane going all the way

865
00:58:12,238 --> 00:58:14,618
down the embarcadero. I don't know where you're going to

866
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,818
put that. You can't put bikes on that sidewalk. I

867
00:58:17,879 --> 00:58:21,098
mean, it's just too narrow. And unless you're going to

868
00:58:21,098 --> 00:58:23,538
get rid of parking. So I think that you need

869
00:58:23,538 --> 00:58:28,471
to look at that more specifically if you would. What

870
00:58:28,471 --> 00:58:37,322
else. And the whole, well, that's not necessarily. Oh, yes.

871
00:58:37,322 --> 00:58:41,162
And I don't think we should commercialize Coleman Park. Whether

872
00:58:41,162 --> 00:58:44,922
that's with a concession stand or a doc or whatever,

873
00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:49,374
that's just really low key recreation. So I would hope

874
00:58:49,374 --> 00:58:52,014
that you would take out that doc and the suggestion

875
00:58:52,014 --> 00:58:59,317
that we have concession stands there. And then this is,

876
00:58:59,317 --> 00:59:02,237
in a sense, petty, but, uh, the working Waterfront, I

877
00:59:02,237 --> 00:59:04,917
think should look like a working raw defront. It shouldn't

878
00:59:04,957 --> 00:59:08,897
have furniture. It shouldn't have this and that, you know,

879
00:59:08,897 --> 00:59:11,637
that make it look pretty. I want it to look,

880
00:59:11,637 --> 00:59:17,306
you know, rough and masculine. Um, and then the Guideline

881
00:59:17,346 --> 00:59:20,026
on to, um, the last point, which is about the

882
00:59:20,207 --> 00:59:23,146
design guidelines that we aren't talking about today, but have

883
00:59:23,146 --> 00:59:26,906
been introduced today. And when they talk about mass and

884
00:59:26,906 --> 00:59:29,306
scale, I hope it's with the understanding that we're not

885
00:59:29,407 --> 00:59:33,066
looking for mass and scale, but that's what we want

886
00:59:33,066 --> 00:59:37,226
to look at in terms of fit, that we're not,

887
00:59:37,226 --> 00:59:40,586
that, and certainly I prefer that idea over the architecture.

888
00:59:40,586 --> 00:59:43,706
But that we're not looking to expand and make things

889
00:59:43,967 --> 00:59:48,026
huge. We're going to be in scale with already what

890
00:59:48,066 --> 00:59:57,723
is. Thank you. Thank you. Eric Meyer again

891
00:59:57,904 --> 01:00:00,683
speaking as this private citizen. I'm going to expand on

892
01:00:00,704 --> 01:00:03,563
my earlier points just a bit based on the testimony

893
01:00:03,603 --> 01:00:08,443
of you guys earlier. Um, Shariza's comment about the elevator

894
01:00:08,464 --> 01:00:12,843
with the Andrea's changes calling it a people mover or

895
01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:15,163
something else. Just a mechanical device is a perfect example

896
01:00:15,344 --> 01:00:18,283
of something that I have no idea what your opinion

897
01:00:18,283 --> 01:00:21,083
is now. I know Sharisses and I generally know Andreas,

898
01:00:21,083 --> 01:00:24,183
but I don't know the opinion of the committee. And

899
01:00:24,183 --> 01:00:26,203
staff doesn't know the opinion of the committee and the

900
01:00:26,203 --> 01:00:27,723
consultants don't know the opinion. So if you do have

901
01:00:27,824 --> 01:00:30,843
a suggestion about something like that, you need to codify

902
01:00:31,264 --> 01:00:33,883
any to memorialize it. And I'm going to, I'm just

903
01:00:33,923 --> 01:00:36,443
pounding that in. We need a motion where you guys

904
01:00:36,464 --> 01:00:38,663
vote and you say, this is what we want. And

905
01:00:38,704 --> 01:00:41,323
the same thing goes with like I've heard differing opinions

906
01:00:41,363 --> 01:00:44,523
from staff, from the consultants at the public meetings and

907
01:00:44,563 --> 01:00:47,723
from yourselves with respect to the street ends. What I've

908
01:00:47,723 --> 01:00:49,243
heard from you and what I've heard from the public

909
01:00:49,344 --> 01:00:51,403
and what I've proved from staff and the consultants are

910
01:00:51,403 --> 01:00:54,763
three different things. I have no idea the hierarchy of

911
01:00:54,864 --> 01:00:56,963
how those things lay out. And I'm really love to

912
01:00:56,963 --> 01:00:59,643
hear from you as a body to vote on some

913
01:00:59,643 --> 01:01:01,803
of these things specifically so that we have a clear

914
01:01:01,904 --> 01:01:09,731
understanding can carry it forward. Thanks. Thank you.

915
01:01:20,166 --> 01:01:23,505
Hello, Kindall Welch, president of the Moral Bay Maritime Museum.

916
01:01:24,405 --> 01:01:26,864
And I just want to follow up with what Eric

917
01:01:27,045 --> 01:01:32,624
Myers has just spoken about. The maritime museum board would

918
01:01:32,725 --> 01:01:37,984
appreciate it if your committee could memorize expanding the museum's

919
01:01:38,005 --> 01:01:43,264
footprint at our current location. And also, uh, recommend that

920
01:01:43,525 --> 01:01:47,922
the city negotiated a longer lease with us. Thank you.

921
01:01:49,758 --> 01:01:50,137
Thank you.

922
01:02:01,478 --> 01:02:03,577
Hi, my name is Margaret Carmen and I want to

923
01:02:03,577 --> 01:02:06,497
do a public service announcement and say that person that

924
01:02:06,537 --> 01:02:11,217
got stuck on the boulders on the parking lot in

925
01:02:11,217 --> 01:02:13,697
the dark at the lock. She couldn't get anybody to

926
01:02:13,878 --> 01:02:18,177
come until she could figure out what they address is.

927
01:02:18,177 --> 01:02:21,817
And she found out the address is Coleman Drive. If

928
01:02:21,817 --> 01:02:23,777
any of you are stuck down there and you're calling

929
01:02:23,878 --> 01:02:27,537
AAA, they want to know the address. And she kept

930
01:02:27,537 --> 01:02:30,177
saying the rock. And they go, you can't say the

931
01:02:30,358 --> 01:02:33,137
rock. Okay. That's all I'm going to say about that.

932
01:02:33,137 --> 01:02:36,737
Um, okay. I want to say a really very much

933
01:02:36,777 --> 01:02:41,777
agree with everything this windholt said. And I love that

934
01:02:41,958 --> 01:02:46,097
the glamping in Avila, that was just an area that

935
01:02:46,758 --> 01:02:48,417
was never anything else. And it was a great place

936
01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:51,777
for it. And I just think where you're saying you

937
01:02:51,817 --> 01:02:55,394
want to put it on the RV part. Let people

938
01:02:55,434 --> 01:02:58,914
have some places they can afford to come over here.

939
01:02:58,914 --> 01:03:02,354
And then they eat in the places and drink and

940
01:03:02,394 --> 01:03:05,554
buy things in the stores. And I just think that's

941
01:03:05,655 --> 01:03:09,774
not the right place. And, um, I agree very much

942
01:03:09,814 --> 01:03:15,214
with not commercializing Coleman Park. We have a natural wonder,

943
01:03:15,214 --> 01:03:19,294
the rock and the ocean. And these cutesy little places

944
01:03:19,795 --> 01:03:23,534
to see it and commercializing, it takes away from people

945
01:03:23,715 --> 01:03:26,734
going, wow, I'm coming tomorrow bay to see something that

946
01:03:26,755 --> 01:03:30,254
I can't see anywhere else. So don't take away from

947
01:03:30,275 --> 01:03:35,454
that. And I heard you talking about that it would

948
01:03:35,454 --> 01:03:40,606
have to, um, change the zoning on market. Why don't,

949
01:03:40,606 --> 01:03:43,006
it seems like let's change the zoning now on market

950
01:03:43,187 --> 01:03:47,406
plaza site. So a developer can't apply for a ridiculous

951
01:03:47,667 --> 01:03:51,606
project. And then it's hard to talk it down. It

952
01:03:51,606 --> 01:03:55,966
reminds me of Reggie's cottages and they get torn down.

953
01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:58,766
And then all this stuff gets put up. That's just,

954
01:03:58,766 --> 01:04:01,806
okay. The other thing I want to say is it's

955
01:04:01,806 --> 01:04:04,766
not a good idea to put bikes in people on

956
01:04:04,787 --> 01:04:07,326
the same path. If you're going to have a biking

957
01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:10,126
on the road, let it be on the road. Cause

958
01:04:10,126 --> 01:04:15,728
I always speak as a 46 year chiropractor. People move

959
01:04:15,768 --> 01:04:18,508
a little bit. Here's the bike. Nobody's paying attention. And

960
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:22,368
they get injured. Don't put bikes and pedestrians on the

961
01:04:22,368 --> 01:04:29,229
same trail. And let's see. Please, I'm going to say

962
01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:32,989
it again. Don't get rid of the street in parking.

963
01:04:32,989 --> 01:04:35,869
And this is what I keep harping on. It's never

964
01:04:35,909 --> 01:04:40,909
mentioned. We really need to have guidelines about LED lighting

965
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:45,469
and white blue bright LED lighting at night. And what

966
01:04:45,469 --> 01:04:48,669
it will do to the ambience of the whole area.

967
01:04:48,669 --> 01:04:51,865
And what it will do to the marine animals. And

968
01:04:51,865 --> 01:04:59,655
the birds. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in the

969
01:05:00,156 --> 01:05:06,354
audience here. Is there anybody in the queue. Yes, sir.

970
01:05:06,354 --> 01:05:08,634
There's one raised hand in the queue. Judy Lynn, go

971
01:05:08,634 --> 01:05:18,302
ahead. Hello commissioners. I'm Judy setting.

972
01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:27,084
Can you hear me? Yes. Oh, thank you. Um. I

973
01:05:27,084 --> 01:05:32,124
really want to speak to the moral dunes. And I

974
01:05:32,164 --> 01:05:37,484
am also a little confused about the conceptional plan versus

975
01:05:37,825 --> 01:05:40,364
something that somebody can go back in the future and

976
01:05:40,404 --> 01:05:43,084
say, Hey, well, this is what the, you know, with

977
01:05:43,084 --> 01:05:50,624
the commissioners voted for. But anyway, um, Mauro Dunes has

978
01:05:50,645 --> 01:05:57,698
been, as you all know, a very consistent. Business for

979
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:04,258
our community and their occupancy rate is really pretty high.

980
01:06:04,258 --> 01:06:09,778
And I'm just wondering if anybody has asked, um, what

981
01:06:09,879 --> 01:06:17,773
port San Les'new glamping parks occupancy rate is. They're wonderful.

982
01:06:17,773 --> 01:06:22,713
I love them. I think it's great. Um, and, but

983
01:06:22,713 --> 01:06:26,253
I, I do wonder, you know, what their occupancy rate

984
01:06:26,274 --> 01:06:33,211
is year round. And then. I just really want to

985
01:06:33,211 --> 01:06:38,211
make a plea to the city that they, um, offer

986
01:06:38,232 --> 01:06:41,971
a longer lease for moral dunes. I feel that that

987
01:06:42,392 --> 01:06:47,731
entity deserves a longer lease. And it seems like the

988
01:06:47,731 --> 01:06:50,851
short five years that you're offering is because you really

989
01:06:50,952 --> 01:06:53,651
want to see something else there. And I would like

990
01:06:53,672 --> 01:06:56,131
to see you do a longer lease and give the

991
01:06:56,232 --> 01:07:01,571
owners of Moro Dunes the opportunity to, you know, revamp

992
01:07:01,571 --> 01:07:05,251
what they have and maybe include more trailers and maybe

993
01:07:06,472 --> 01:07:09,251
do some glamping, but I feel like they would be

994
01:07:09,291 --> 01:07:11,411
willing to do that. I don't know that. You have

995
01:07:11,411 --> 01:07:14,765
to talk with them. But I just think we need

996
01:07:14,765 --> 01:07:20,164
to be kind - hearted. And recognize how loyal they've

997
01:07:20,204 --> 01:07:23,355
been for so many years. And the TOT that they've

998
01:07:23,536 --> 01:07:27,495
provided for our city has been consistent and good. And

999
01:07:27,495 --> 01:07:30,715
they're wonderful to work for. They've always kept a clean

1000
01:07:30,736 --> 01:07:34,475
business. And they're just a real asset. And let's treat

1001
01:07:34,515 --> 01:07:42,165
them fairly. I'm a little confused about the, um, traffic

1002
01:07:42,186 --> 01:07:49,828
way on the embarcadero. I think it's all still two

1003
01:07:49,868 --> 01:07:55,268
way in your plan. Um, I, I just want to,

1004
01:07:55,268 --> 01:07:58,308
I just want to say that the embarcadero has never

1005
01:07:58,329 --> 01:08:02,388
been a thoroughfare. It really is a slow moving street

1006
01:08:02,428 --> 01:08:05,268
that we all know when we're going to go down

1007
01:08:05,308 --> 01:08:08,448
there. We're going to, we're going to move slow. And

1008
01:08:08,448 --> 01:08:11,668
that includes if we have to slow down for any,

1009
01:08:11,668 --> 01:08:15,133
you know, bicycles or anything like that. I don't know

1010
01:08:15,154 --> 01:08:19,193
that we really have to have bike lanes, you know,

1011
01:08:19,193 --> 01:08:21,853
on both sides of the streets and eliminate all the

1012
01:08:22,034 --> 01:08:26,893
parking. And it seems like you could increase the parking

1013
01:08:26,914 --> 01:08:30,973
that you put in just, um, north on the power

1014
01:08:31,013 --> 01:08:35,452
plant property, just north of where the stacks are. And

1015
01:08:35,452 --> 01:08:40,092
then down at the rock, the parking area to me,

1016
01:08:40,092 --> 01:08:42,252
the design that you have there looks like you have

1017
01:08:42,273 --> 01:08:48,494
shrunk the parking lot. And it's been really sad to

1018
01:08:48,515 --> 01:08:54,254
see for the last 15, 20 years how the parking

1019
01:08:54,275 --> 01:08:56,734
that we used to have on the south side of

1020
01:08:56,734 --> 01:09:02,254
the rock allowed people who don't really get out and

1021
01:09:02,275 --> 01:09:05,854
walk to drive down there and sit and watch the

1022
01:09:05,894 --> 01:09:08,494
boats coming in from the harbor, which is a real

1023
01:09:08,835 --> 01:09:13,737
treat. And we've always, we've always, you know, made sure

1024
01:09:13,737 --> 01:09:17,817
that's happened. And I'm just wondering, does anybody talk with

1025
01:09:18,158 --> 01:09:20,997
parks and rec to see if we can, you know,

1026
01:09:20,997 --> 01:09:23,657
get that back at his shrunk and shrunk and shrunk

1027
01:09:24,158 --> 01:09:26,857
throughout the years. And now it looks like you're shrinking

1028
01:09:26,958 --> 01:09:31,955
it again. So I would like to see that change.

1029
01:09:31,955 --> 01:09:35,875
Um, I would like to see it open up at

1030
01:09:35,875 --> 01:09:38,275
least once or twice a week for the residents. I

1031
01:09:38,296 --> 01:09:41,795
feel like that's something that we've had in the past.

1032
01:09:41,795 --> 01:09:46,333
And we deserve to have again. And then I'm still.

1033
01:09:49,969 --> 01:09:53,628
Hoping you're, you know, keeping all of the in street

1034
01:09:53,668 --> 01:09:58,294
parking. And instead of taking away an parking on the

1035
01:09:58,555 --> 01:10:06,957
embarcadero, you're adding parking. Thank you. Thank you.

1036
01:10:09,233 --> 01:10:11,132
We have someone else. Go ahead and come on up.

1037
01:10:12,549 --> 01:10:14,608
Unless there's someone else in the queue right now. There

1038
01:10:14,648 --> 01:10:17,381
are no more raised hands in the queue. Go ahead.

1039
01:10:20,697 --> 01:10:24,196
Hi, I'm Betsy Garnett Cross and a couple of things

1040
01:10:24,617 --> 01:10:27,076
I've been thinking about. First of all, I don't know

1041
01:10:27,116 --> 01:10:28,996
if I'm the only one who rides a bike around

1042
01:10:29,036 --> 01:10:33,476
here. But when I ride along the embarcadero, I appreciate

1043
01:10:33,817 --> 01:10:36,196
being right there in the middle of the road with

1044
01:10:36,217 --> 01:10:40,356
everybody. Um, I wouldn't want a bike laying or be

1045
01:10:40,396 --> 01:10:46,436
with, um, people mostly because people don't pay attention. Like

1046
01:10:46,457 --> 01:10:50,836
over by, um, beach track, you know, when you go

1047
01:10:50,836 --> 01:10:54,516
by the park there, um, there's a bike lane and

1048
01:10:55,097 --> 01:10:59,076
there's a walkway. And people are always walking in the

1049
01:10:59,337 --> 01:11:03,476
bike lane. And it's very confusing. And I, you know,

1050
01:11:04,057 --> 01:11:07,236
I'm trying to let people know I'm coming. And they

1051
01:11:07,236 --> 01:11:10,356
need to be on the sidewalk. And I've mentioned this

1052
01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:12,436
in the past that it would be nice if they

1053
01:11:12,476 --> 01:11:15,776
were the little symbols were on that bike lane. But

1054
01:11:15,776 --> 01:11:19,556
anyway, um, so bikes I think are great on the

1055
01:11:19,897 --> 01:11:26,065
road glamping. I've never done glamping, but I think, I'm

1056
01:11:26,065 --> 01:11:29,685
assuming it's cheaper than a hotel. So therefore, if people

1057
01:11:29,725 --> 01:11:33,525
don't have an RV, I'm not against glamping, but I'm

1058
01:11:33,525 --> 01:11:35,745
not saying that that's the place to have it. But

1059
01:11:37,066 --> 01:11:39,525
I assume it's cheaper than a hotel. And if you

1060
01:11:39,525 --> 01:11:44,785
don't have an RV or something, it's more affordable. And

1061
01:11:44,785 --> 01:11:48,205
also if it were down close to the bay, it

1062
01:11:48,205 --> 01:11:51,365
would be lovely as opposed to being up at a

1063
01:11:51,365 --> 01:11:53,765
hotel where you had kids. And you had to walk

1064
01:11:53,805 --> 01:11:58,965
down and whatever. Um, and I did at one point

1065
01:11:59,066 --> 01:12:04,325
I mentioned this before, um, at another meeting, Michelle and

1066
01:12:04,346 --> 01:12:07,365
I walked around and we counted how many spaces would

1067
01:12:07,466 --> 01:12:12,645
be eliminated if we got rid of the spots by

1068
01:12:12,645 --> 01:12:17,845
the replaced them with parquettes or whatever you were thinking

1069
01:12:17,885 --> 01:12:20,885
of doing. And there were 20. And that's a lot

1070
01:12:20,885 --> 01:12:26,565
of parking. So anyway, that's my two cents. Thank you.

1071
01:12:27,734 --> 01:12:31,013
Is there anyone else. I'll go ahead and bring it

1072
01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:35,532
back. Committee, uh, Arland, do you have some, would you

1073
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:39,472
like to? Yeah. If I may, vice chair. So we

1074
01:12:39,512 --> 01:12:41,872
do have a hard stop at five habits meeting after

1075
01:12:41,973 --> 01:12:45,952
us. So we have about 45 minutes, um, kind of

1076
01:12:45,992 --> 01:12:49,152
in line with some comments that we heard during public

1077
01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:54,752
comment, um, pack should get into decisions making mode on

1078
01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:59,512
some of these items. Um, I would recommend kind of

1079
01:12:59,573 --> 01:13:01,792
for the next 45 minutes thinking of a punch list

1080
01:13:01,792 --> 01:13:04,432
of the most important items. And then doing a straw

1081
01:13:04,472 --> 01:13:08,032
pool vote, a straw pool, uh, vote on those so

1082
01:13:08,032 --> 01:13:09,872
we can make an official record that we could pass

1083
01:13:09,912 --> 01:13:14,778
on to planning commission on the sediments of WAMPAC. I

1084
01:13:14,818 --> 01:13:17,418
have four items right now, just from my, from my

1085
01:13:17,458 --> 01:13:20,378
notes that I've heard come up that I would recommend

1086
01:13:20,879 --> 01:13:27,178
OnePack vote on. One is the kind of elevator people

1087
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:32,121
mover concept. The next one is small, but, uh, noteworthy,

1088
01:13:32,121 --> 01:13:35,401
um, committee member Luker mentioned combining a two and a

1089
01:13:35,441 --> 01:13:41,801
three regarding the Moro Rock parking ADA path. So getting,

1090
01:13:41,801 --> 01:13:44,761
you know, what's the one packs vote on that next

1091
01:13:44,801 --> 01:13:49,351
is a street end parking. Do you repeat that again?

1092
01:13:49,391 --> 01:13:52,051
Yeah. So combining A2A3, that's the idea of the, um,

1093
01:13:52,892 --> 01:13:56,951
the walkway from the rock parking lot down to the

1094
01:13:57,052 --> 01:14:01,431
beach. And the, I think like the maintenance, just committing

1095
01:14:01,431 --> 01:14:03,271
number of Luker mentioned that those, uh, those seem to

1096
01:14:03,311 --> 01:14:06,711
be repetitive and they could be consolidated together into a

1097
01:14:06,711 --> 01:14:12,030
single item. And then street end parking. I do want

1098
01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:15,150
to say on street end parking, um, you know, at

1099
01:14:15,171 --> 01:14:18,830
this point we've had multiple conversations with coastal commission staff,

1100
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:21,550
um, there is a requirement in our general plan for

1101
01:14:21,651 --> 01:14:24,350
those pedestrian connections. We've drawn something up that we believe

1102
01:14:25,091 --> 01:14:28,350
is a reasonable compromise and contingent on no net loss

1103
01:14:28,371 --> 01:14:31,350
in parking. So that's something that, um, we're going to

1104
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:35,550
keep in the plan because we've already drawn that up,

1105
01:14:35,550 --> 01:14:38,811
uh, and again, we believe it's a reasonable compromise. Um,

1106
01:14:38,811 --> 01:14:40,931
but it's up to one pack. If you want to

1107
01:14:41,472 --> 01:14:44,051
vote to provide a comment that you don't want to

1108
01:14:44,051 --> 01:14:46,171
see any street ends converted, then that's something we can

1109
01:14:46,352 --> 01:14:49,451
let the planet commission city council know. And then the

1110
01:14:49,632 --> 01:14:52,731
fourth item that comes to mind is, uh, RV camping,

1111
01:14:52,731 --> 01:14:54,891
glamping and whether those should be flipped back to how

1112
01:14:54,891 --> 01:14:58,091
they were originally, or do we keep clamping along the

1113
01:14:58,131 --> 01:15:01,291
creek? We're welcome to talk about the reasoning behind moving

1114
01:15:01,331 --> 01:15:05,611
the clamping along the creek and putting RV camping above

1115
01:15:05,651 --> 01:15:08,951
it where the old wastewater treatment plant site is, um,

1116
01:15:08,951 --> 01:15:10,891
I do want to say in that conversation, it's really

1117
01:15:10,931 --> 01:15:14,451
not appropriate to talk about individual, you know, leaseholders. We

1118
01:15:14,451 --> 01:15:16,171
should be talking about the long - term vision for

1119
01:15:16,171 --> 01:15:21,427
that area regardless of any, um, specifically solder. So those

1120
01:15:21,467 --> 01:15:23,467
are the four items that at a minimum, I think

1121
01:15:23,768 --> 01:15:26,627
wompax should vote on. I'm sure you have several others,

1122
01:15:26,627 --> 01:15:35,080
um, your minds as well. Thank you. So, uh, we'll

1123
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,200
bring it back to committee for comments at this time.

1124
01:15:40,213 --> 01:15:44,917
Okay. Mary, you always get a start. Sorry. All right.

1125
01:15:44,957 --> 01:15:48,917
Um, my comments for character area six regarding the glamping.

1126
01:15:48,917 --> 01:15:51,237
Um, I just wanted to say that glamping does serve

1127
01:15:51,818 --> 01:15:54,677
and underserved customer segment in our community based on the

1128
01:15:54,698 --> 01:15:58,717
analysis done by the economists that we don't have, I

1129
01:15:58,717 --> 01:16:03,477
think any luxury hotels. Um, also I think that we'll

1130
01:16:03,477 --> 01:16:06,757
see potentially additional revenue from people who don't have kitchens

1131
01:16:07,338 --> 01:16:10,437
in their RVs. And they're glamping would be more accessible

1132
01:16:10,538 --> 01:16:15,637
to youth compared to the high purchase cost of RVs.

1133
01:16:16,138 --> 01:16:19,157
I think we also saw in the community survey that

1134
01:16:19,178 --> 01:16:22,917
glamping was, um, very supported. And I just felt like

1135
01:16:23,258 --> 01:16:25,937
calling out those data points because I think a lot

1136
01:16:25,937 --> 01:16:29,477
of youth and family is generally not represented in this

1137
01:16:29,578 --> 01:16:33,717
form because these meetings are scheduled during core working hours.

1138
01:16:33,717 --> 01:16:37,797
Um, my argument, something else to consider for glamping being

1139
01:16:37,837 --> 01:16:41,157
near the edges as I think it could be quieter,

1140
01:16:41,157 --> 01:16:44,497
um, to have glamping along the edges near nature, um,

1141
01:16:45,098 --> 01:16:47,877
because glamping, they wouldn't be running generators and things like

1142
01:16:47,917 --> 01:16:53,602
that RVs. For the character areas one, two and five,

1143
01:16:53,602 --> 01:16:57,022
um, I think that as someone who bikes on, um,

1144
01:16:57,143 --> 01:17:01,102
on that strip to the rock with their children, um,

1145
01:17:01,143 --> 01:17:04,722
I think we should look at making that more bike

1146
01:17:04,762 --> 01:17:09,442
friendly, whether that's clearer signage on the road to share

1147
01:17:09,482 --> 01:17:14,642
the road with bicyclists or some sort of specific path

1148
01:17:14,903 --> 01:17:20,242
for bikes. Um, for the street ends, I feel that,

1149
01:17:20,242 --> 01:17:23,842
um, you know, we've said that we're not supportive due

1150
01:17:23,882 --> 01:17:29,842
to the impact on local businesses and accessibility for residents,

1151
01:17:29,842 --> 01:17:32,962
um, and for me, I personally would like us to

1152
01:17:33,063 --> 01:17:36,642
vote against street ends, because I think we've heard clear

1153
01:17:36,663 --> 01:17:41,682
signal from the community and the community engagement, um, feels

1154
01:17:41,722 --> 01:17:45,042
performative, honestly to me if we hear all of that

1155
01:17:45,463 --> 01:17:49,262
clear signal and don't vote against the street ends. Um,

1156
01:17:49,383 --> 01:17:53,762
and then for me regarding the marketplace plaza design guidelines,

1157
01:17:53,762 --> 01:17:57,442
what I heard the consultant essentially say was like residents

1158
01:17:57,482 --> 01:18:00,242
don't want this, but this is how we do it.

1159
01:18:00,242 --> 01:18:03,842
And then propose guidelines for how to make it work

1160
01:18:03,882 --> 01:18:06,882
with the parking requirement. Um, and so I just wanted

1161
01:18:06,922 --> 01:18:09,682
to flag that, that I'm just not supportive of that,

1162
01:18:09,703 --> 01:18:14,322
that kind of vision. And then, um, yep, that's it.

1163
01:18:14,322 --> 01:18:14,562
Thanks.

1164
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:30,298
Some comments because of public comment and, um, letters. So

1165
01:18:30,298 --> 01:18:34,098
I'm just going to go and then the preferred alternative.

1166
01:18:34,098 --> 01:18:38,178
So, um, my first comment is, um, areas of open

1167
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:41,198
area. So if you'd like think about, um, passo, how

1168
01:18:41,198 --> 01:18:45,058
they are in a tascadero, they have those huge areas.

1169
01:18:45,058 --> 01:18:48,658
And they're underutilized. Um, I feel that seating is huge

1170
01:18:48,919 --> 01:18:53,698
for the public enjoyment. So I feel strongly that areas

1171
01:18:53,799 --> 01:18:58,578
that have like picnic tables and other areas for people

1172
01:18:58,759 --> 01:19:01,618
to relax and enjoy nature for a longer period of

1173
01:19:01,618 --> 01:19:05,058
time is much more comfortable than, you know, sitting down

1174
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:09,378
in the grass. Plus it takes care of both things.

1175
01:19:09,378 --> 01:19:10,978
So you can have a picnic at a table or

1176
01:19:10,978 --> 01:19:13,298
you can have picnic on the ground. So, um, I

1177
01:19:13,298 --> 01:19:17,058
think that, um, some extra seating for public on these

1178
01:19:17,058 --> 01:19:22,018
open areas such as Coleman Park. I'm pro for that.

1179
01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:26,178
I said the elevator said my piece doing a people

1180
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,298
murder down with that. There was a workshop before this

1181
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,658
program started and we were really trying to talk about

1182
01:19:32,679 --> 01:19:36,418
the funicular in a slide. And we had all these

1183
01:19:36,458 --> 01:19:39,938
other different like ways of getting down, um, I think

1184
01:19:40,119 --> 01:19:44,978
that my most important aspect of this is ADA accessibility.

1185
01:19:44,978 --> 01:19:47,618
So and then actually getting it accomplished. So if we

1186
01:19:47,618 --> 01:19:50,898
don't decide what it's going to be a funicula or

1187
01:19:50,938 --> 01:19:53,698
a slide or an elevator, I think this is the

1188
01:19:53,799 --> 01:19:57,938
time to do that now. Um, because you want the

1189
01:19:57,978 --> 01:20:00,498
community backed and you want it to be in the,

1190
01:20:00,538 --> 01:20:04,898
in the document. Um, and then I have been told

1191
01:20:04,938 --> 01:20:08,818
that there's another concept that, um, we want staff to

1192
01:20:08,858 --> 01:20:12,098
look at as far as further research on a one

1193
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,698
way for market street to increase parking up above the

1194
01:20:15,719 --> 01:20:20,958
bluff. So that's just a future food for thought. Um,

1195
01:20:20,958 --> 01:20:24,018
I know that we got shut down with the embarkadero

1196
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:26,738
mostly because of the activity on there with loading and

1197
01:20:26,778 --> 01:20:29,938
unloading. But if we could create some more parking spaces

1198
01:20:29,959 --> 01:20:32,418
with a one way at market or have some kind

1199
01:20:32,418 --> 01:20:37,518
of resirculation, maybe that's another way to increase parking. Um,

1200
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:40,898
the sports complex, the map that is out for everybody

1201
01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:42,658
to see. I just look at it and I'm like,

1202
01:20:42,698 --> 01:20:48,418
that's too baseball diamonds. So, um, the really big important

1203
01:20:48,458 --> 01:20:51,458
thing. Yes, it's great that it's open to any kind

1204
01:20:51,458 --> 01:20:54,098
of recreational things, but when you're talking about a sports

1205
01:20:54,138 --> 01:20:58,578
complex that does travel teams and teams having four fields

1206
01:20:58,578 --> 01:21:02,418
of the same type of sport is where you really

1207
01:21:02,839 --> 01:21:06,098
find the money makers. That's when you get like four

1208
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:11,538
to, um, you get 20 different teams playing at different

1209
01:21:11,719 --> 01:21:14,958
times throughout the day. And so that means about, um,

1210
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,338
12 teams. They have their families, the coaches. I mean,

1211
01:21:18,378 --> 01:21:22,338
we're talking about 600 visitors in an area that's underutilized

1212
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,878
that wouldn't really take over a lot of demand. But

1213
01:21:24,878 --> 01:21:26,898
then those people, when they go to lunch or they

1214
01:21:26,898 --> 01:21:29,778
go to dinner or they stay at a hotel, they

1215
01:21:29,778 --> 01:21:32,818
will spend thousands of dollars. And this is something that

1216
01:21:32,999 --> 01:21:36,978
if you actually design it, then the, um, document that

1217
01:21:37,018 --> 01:21:39,678
you can get grants for these things. Or you can

1218
01:21:39,678 --> 01:21:41,698
at least show it to a developer and they're like,

1219
01:21:41,738 --> 01:21:44,098
this is pro, you know, the city is pro doing

1220
01:21:44,098 --> 01:21:47,058
this. I got the green light already. So I'm going

1221
01:21:47,058 --> 01:21:51,618
to apply for this. So, um, my next one love

1222
01:21:51,658 --> 01:21:54,766
the fact that you're talking about widening the bridge. I

1223
01:21:54,806 --> 01:21:59,246
love the idea, um, of the, um, shutting off the

1224
01:21:59,347 --> 01:22:03,306
bottom of Beach Street. It makes the storefront area, the

1225
01:22:03,306 --> 01:22:06,526
bakery, the goddess goods, all of the different businesses down

1226
01:22:06,566 --> 01:22:10,206
there much more safe area for them to have people

1227
01:22:10,547 --> 01:22:13,086
sit out. And it's still a beautiful area to look

1228
01:22:13,107 --> 01:22:15,326
right across the bait. But when you have all these

1229
01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,726
cars coming and going and coming and going, I think

1230
01:22:17,747 --> 01:22:21,326
it's going to make it calmer area for public enjoyment.

1231
01:22:21,326 --> 01:22:24,286
So I'm happy with that. Um, I mentioned about the

1232
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:32,323
intersection being more of a square. Rather than a parallelogram.

1233
01:22:32,323 --> 01:22:36,963
Um, I think we're going to talk about roofs and

1234
01:22:37,224 --> 01:22:38,963
I'll put this out there. But we always need to

1235
01:22:39,304 --> 01:22:42,323
talk about bird housing. We don't want to house the

1236
01:22:42,323 --> 01:22:47,443
bird. So when we get on that, I'll elaborate employee

1237
01:22:47,464 --> 01:22:50,483
parking. So we have a lot of spaces that are

1238
01:22:50,523 --> 01:22:54,563
dedicated to hotels at the top of market. And I

1239
01:22:54,563 --> 01:22:56,963
feel that that would be a great place for employees

1240
01:22:57,064 --> 01:23:01,043
to park. And because they're there for eight hours, you

1241
01:23:01,043 --> 01:23:03,763
know, six hours, eight hours, nine hours, um, and if

1242
01:23:03,763 --> 01:23:07,203
that were the case that we could actually allocate that,

1243
01:23:07,203 --> 01:23:10,643
um, employee parking, uh, then we also really need to

1244
01:23:10,683 --> 01:23:14,723
take into consideration that, um, the elevator and some kind

1245
01:23:14,723 --> 01:23:18,403
of form of easier access is really important. And then

1246
01:23:18,584 --> 01:23:22,563
we also need to talk about lighting, um, because you

1247
01:23:22,563 --> 01:23:26,003
don't want an employee to leave at like 9 p.

1248
01:23:26,003 --> 01:23:28,003
m. when it turns into a ghost town down there

1249
01:23:28,344 --> 01:23:32,383
and not have a safe avenue to their cars. Um,

1250
01:23:33,144 --> 01:23:36,143
Coleman vending, I did hear some people talk about, um,

1251
01:23:37,064 --> 01:23:40,643
not wanting, vending at Coleman Park, um, being on the

1252
01:23:40,744 --> 01:23:43,523
harbor advisory board. We were always, you know, it's been

1253
01:23:43,563 --> 01:23:46,163
every single year we've looked into like ways of revenue

1254
01:23:46,264 --> 01:23:50,243
generating and got shut down on one thing, shut down

1255
01:23:50,283 --> 01:23:52,643
on another thing, shut down on another thing. Um, right

1256
01:23:52,683 --> 01:23:55,843
now we have the sauna there, which I think is

1257
01:23:55,944 --> 01:24:01,203
awesome. You know, it's, it's, it generates revenue and it

1258
01:24:01,203 --> 01:24:03,683
creates a new thing that's going on there. That's not

1259
01:24:03,723 --> 01:24:07,923
taking away from other businesses in the area. So there

1260
01:24:07,923 --> 01:24:11,363
is that possibility. And I really would want at least,

1261
01:24:11,363 --> 01:24:13,923
um, maybe we could put something in there that if

1262
01:24:13,923 --> 01:24:16,083
it is a vendor that the harbor advisory board is

1263
01:24:16,123 --> 01:24:21,603
the one who gets to approve those, um, transient leases.

1264
01:24:21,603 --> 01:24:23,683
And there is a, um, a document that we're putting

1265
01:24:23,704 --> 01:24:30,089
in place for transient, um, vendors. So anyway. That's the

1266
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:39,435
end of my comments. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. You don't

1267
01:24:39,435 --> 01:24:42,075
really have much of a voice today. In terms of

1268
01:24:42,336 --> 01:24:45,195
character area six, um, I don't have a strong preference

1269
01:24:45,235 --> 01:24:46,955
for flipping, but it does seem like some of the

1270
01:24:46,995 --> 01:24:50,555
issues of like having a quieter area, maybe something that,

1271
01:24:50,555 --> 01:24:53,595
um, during like large storm events could be, um, modified

1272
01:24:53,616 --> 01:24:55,275
more easily would be good. I think it's good that

1273
01:24:55,315 --> 01:24:58,075
we're moving parking away from the dunes. I do think

1274
01:24:58,115 --> 01:25:00,555
in the future, like the location of the dunes and

1275
01:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,415
the creek, like those things are not metestic locations. And

1276
01:25:03,415 --> 01:25:05,355
so I think leaving as much ample space as you

1277
01:25:05,355 --> 01:25:09,275
can to allow, um, for future flooding, um, would be

1278
01:25:09,275 --> 01:25:15,158
good. Um, for a character area, one B5, like the,

1279
01:25:15,179 --> 01:25:19,398
there's a suggestion of the floating dock there. That particular

1280
01:25:19,499 --> 01:25:24,438
stretch along Coleman, um, along Coleman Beach as some of

1281
01:25:24,438 --> 01:25:26,418
the most persistent yograss beds that we have in the

1282
01:25:26,418 --> 01:25:27,958
whole entire bay when we got done to like 13

1283
01:25:27,979 --> 01:25:30,758
acres. Like that's where El Grass was still really persistent.

1284
01:25:30,758 --> 01:25:32,478
So I know a lot of folks like kind of

1285
01:25:32,478 --> 01:25:34,518
walk down and use kayaks, but I just think like

1286
01:25:35,099 --> 01:25:37,478
thinking a little bit about that's the best area maybe

1287
01:25:37,518 --> 01:25:39,158
moving a little bit further south where it's a little

1288
01:25:39,158 --> 01:25:42,998
steeper and not as like, um, dense impacts, not as

1289
01:25:42,998 --> 01:25:51,678
many impacts to, um, that habitat. I think, yeah, anywhere

1290
01:25:51,718 --> 01:25:53,838
we can get ADA access, that seems like a plus

1291
01:25:53,859 --> 01:25:56,718
in terms of like elevator. Um, I think for the

1292
01:25:56,758 --> 01:26:00,318
street ends, it does seem like the skeletons have worked

1293
01:26:00,318 --> 01:26:02,878
pretty hard to like find new areas for parking to

1294
01:26:02,878 --> 01:26:04,958
me. It seems like, um, it could be like a

1295
01:26:05,139 --> 01:26:08,154
phase approach. Or even like maybe keep like Beachtreet and

1296
01:26:08,194 --> 01:26:09,674
more Bay Bovard, but maybe we don't need a person

1297
01:26:09,695 --> 01:26:14,279
than the other ones. But. Um, or like, excuse me,

1298
01:26:14,279 --> 01:26:16,039
like divided in half. And like maybe you can still

1299
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:19,719
get like five or four spaces that have like one

1300
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:23,399
area where you can, um, say like maybe it doesn't

1301
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:25,319
have to be that whole parking lot area. Maybe the

1302
01:26:25,420 --> 01:26:31,319
compromise there. I also think in terms of like walking

1303
01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:34,119
down to Coleman, I do think that that's heavily used.

1304
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:35,639
And so I think, yeah, being able to have pedestrian

1305
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,279
and bike access all the way down to Carmona is

1306
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:39,959
good for families and areas where you can, um, sit

1307
01:26:39,959 --> 01:26:42,359
and have lunch. I do think, um, I agree that.

1308
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:45,479
I think the family representation, you know, hasn't really been

1309
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:55,439
talked about much in this process. Thank

1310
01:26:55,439 --> 01:27:01,824
you. I'll start with street ends. I think we need

1311
01:27:01,845 --> 01:27:05,104
those street ends. There are multi, we use those for

1312
01:27:05,144 --> 01:27:09,484
everything. I mean, I see delivery trucks use those, you

1313
01:27:09,484 --> 01:27:11,104
know, so that I think that's pretty critical to keep

1314
01:27:11,144 --> 01:27:14,401
that. I like the parking there. I don't think we

1315
01:27:14,662 --> 01:27:18,470
explored the one - way street. Doing a one -

1316
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:22,316
way street. I think that opens up a lot. You

1317
01:27:22,316 --> 01:27:24,096
know, we can still have the parking there. I don't

1318
01:27:24,096 --> 01:27:25,896
think it's a parking issue. I look at it as

1319
01:27:25,896 --> 01:27:30,396
a circulation issue. I'd like to see better circulation. And

1320
01:27:30,837 --> 01:27:32,976
it does cut down the traffic too. If you have

1321
01:27:32,976 --> 01:27:35,036
that one way, you're cutting down the traffic. You don't

1322
01:27:35,036 --> 01:27:37,456
have traffic on the other way. Either you use front

1323
01:27:37,637 --> 01:27:42,016
street or, you know, I saw in that where they're

1324
01:27:42,056 --> 01:27:44,896
not, they discounted that using front street as a one

1325
01:27:44,936 --> 01:27:49,056
- way and embarcadero as the other. I thought it

1326
01:27:49,056 --> 01:27:50,816
was, cause of parking, but I don't think parking was

1327
01:27:50,917 --> 01:27:53,136
the issue. I thought it was circulation was the issue

1328
01:27:53,237 --> 01:27:56,716
to try to get a better circulation. So you can

1329
01:27:56,837 --> 01:27:58,976
park there and walk across the street with it. You

1330
01:27:58,976 --> 01:28:00,416
know, you're just looking one way. I think it's a

1331
01:28:00,416 --> 01:28:03,696
little bit safer. And you, we could widen the sidewalk

1332
01:28:03,696 --> 01:28:11,528
there. I think as far as the delivery trucks, you

1333
01:28:11,528 --> 01:28:16,888
know, the ways to mitigate some of that, uh, there's

1334
01:28:16,888 --> 01:28:20,728
a lot of deliveries that are AM deliveries that deliver

1335
01:28:20,768 --> 01:28:22,888
early in the morning there. I see a lot of

1336
01:28:22,909 --> 01:28:27,917
trucks there. Before six o'clock in the morning. Actually. And

1337
01:28:27,917 --> 01:28:31,837
so if you move up to talking about the elevator,

1338
01:28:31,837 --> 01:28:34,837
I don't think a fununcular would work there. I think

1339
01:28:35,618 --> 01:28:41,677
past counsel have looked at that. And it's, I don't

1340
01:28:41,717 --> 01:28:44,157
think that's feasible for that area right there. I think

1341
01:28:44,258 --> 01:28:46,797
it would be more of an access. And if you're

1342
01:28:46,837 --> 01:28:49,597
looking at ADA, and you can do a nice elevator

1343
01:28:50,018 --> 01:28:52,717
with a glass elevator so you can, you know, you're

1344
01:28:52,717 --> 01:28:55,197
looking out at the bay as you're going down up

1345
01:28:55,237 --> 01:28:56,877
and down. I think the ways you can do that.

1346
01:28:56,877 --> 01:29:01,263
I think a simple elevator. To move people, kids with

1347
01:29:01,844 --> 01:29:04,783
strollers and all that, uh, even if you put the

1348
01:29:04,804 --> 01:29:08,863
parking up there, employees could use that safely to get

1349
01:29:08,863 --> 01:29:14,902
to the car. As far as the. Harbor walk, I'm

1350
01:29:15,003 --> 01:29:17,222
for that to continue that all the way to target

1351
01:29:18,283 --> 01:29:24,417
rock. So it doesn't impede somebody from parking just before

1352
01:29:24,457 --> 01:29:27,937
that because there is a walkway there right now that

1353
01:29:27,977 --> 01:29:33,857
could be. Rehabbed or improve an improvement. That would be

1354
01:29:33,897 --> 01:29:36,337
an improvement along that all the way to target rock.

1355
01:29:36,337 --> 01:29:38,157
And you can ride your bike there. Because right now

1356
01:29:38,157 --> 01:29:40,177
you've got to go on the street if you're going

1357
01:29:40,177 --> 01:29:41,697
to go out, you know, if you go out to

1358
01:29:41,697 --> 01:29:45,653
the jetty. So I'm in favor of that. Uh, so

1359
01:29:45,653 --> 01:29:47,733
it's a no on street ends. Yes on an elevator.

1360
01:29:48,847 --> 01:29:54,178
Yes on the harbor walk. And. I forget what else

1361
01:29:54,178 --> 01:30:01,917
I had on there. I had, um.

1362
01:30:07,461 --> 01:30:11,040
And as far as the, uh, you're talking about the

1363
01:30:11,141 --> 01:30:14,240
glamping and all that, you know, I don't liked setting

1364
01:30:16,341 --> 01:30:19,360
what ideas come of that instead of making one set

1365
01:30:21,781 --> 01:30:23,440
use for that. I'd like to see if you put

1366
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:25,899
it out for an RP. Maybe you don't be so

1367
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:30,459
specific. And you can get more, you know, more ideas.

1368
01:30:30,459 --> 01:30:32,299
And somebody has an idea that, oh, that would be

1369
01:30:32,339 --> 01:30:35,259
perfect there that we haven't thought of that our business

1370
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,579
people. So I don't like the hard set things. I

1371
01:30:38,579 --> 01:30:43,019
want a general. As far as even on, on the

1372
01:30:43,059 --> 01:30:47,419
buildings on the embarcadero on the west side, I think

1373
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,819
it should be a generalization of how did you put

1374
01:30:51,859 --> 01:30:57,932
it mass. So you just set out a mass. And

1375
01:30:57,932 --> 01:31:02,272
that should be the, uh, the guideline. You follow that.

1376
01:31:02,272 --> 01:31:04,352
I call that a silhouette. So if you, however you

1377
01:31:04,392 --> 01:31:07,135
want it, the height and the width. I think that

1378
01:31:07,316 --> 01:31:13,695
would, I think that would encourage more, uh, more people,

1379
01:31:13,695 --> 01:31:16,175
uh, want to invest in moral bay. And I want

1380
01:31:16,996 --> 01:31:19,135
best for moral bay. What's best for more obey is

1381
01:31:19,135 --> 01:31:21,695
what's best for the businesses and moral bay. So let's

1382
01:31:21,716 --> 01:31:24,815
keep that in mind, not just the, uh, amenities that

1383
01:31:24,916 --> 01:31:28,495
we, that we would like. You know, let's, uh, I

1384
01:31:28,596 --> 01:31:32,415
think support business is one of the number one things,

1385
01:31:32,415 --> 01:31:36,340
I think. Thank you. Just to follow up question on

1386
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:39,620
that, James. Well, one, I think we should do not

1387
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:43,620
just what's best for businesses, but also residents and also

1388
01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:47,140
the environment. Um, when you're saying keeping it open in

1389
01:31:47,140 --> 01:31:50,500
terms of uses, are you thinking of putting hotel development

1390
01:31:50,521 --> 01:31:52,980
back on the table or are you thinking more in

1391
01:31:52,980 --> 01:31:56,580
just terms of like RV camping, glamping kind of like

1392
01:31:56,921 --> 01:32:03,613
low impact, like that category of use. I'm saying to

1393
01:32:03,634 --> 01:32:09,293
put whatever zone for, let the zoning speak for itself.

1394
01:32:09,293 --> 01:32:11,613
So if we zone it for, well, in that particular

1395
01:32:11,794 --> 01:32:15,013
property, as it's been mentioned, it's a flood zone. So

1396
01:32:15,154 --> 01:32:17,733
you wouldn't be able to put a hotel there. So

1397
01:32:18,034 --> 01:32:20,733
that limits the use of it. So we're already limiting

1398
01:32:20,754 --> 01:32:22,653
the use. I think we want to open it up

1399
01:32:22,754 --> 01:32:25,133
and maybe get some other ideas. What could go in

1400
01:32:25,133 --> 01:32:29,666
there? You know what I mean? So just use the

1401
01:32:29,706 --> 01:32:39,473
zoning. That make sense? Uh, Arylon, can

1402
01:32:39,514 --> 01:32:43,093
you repeat the four things you want us to take

1403
01:32:43,133 --> 01:32:50,279
action on. Well, now it lists up to eight. So

1404
01:32:50,300 --> 01:32:52,579
I've been, I've been taking notes on another ideas. Uh,

1405
01:32:52,579 --> 01:32:56,279
but the four I mentioned where the elevator or people

1406
01:32:57,260 --> 01:33:03,246
mover market plaza. The second one was minor just combining

1407
01:33:04,067 --> 01:33:07,726
the, uh, a two and a three regarding the ADA

1408
01:33:07,766 --> 01:33:14,842
pathway to the beach to the beach. Is that on

1409
01:33:14,842 --> 01:33:18,562
the north side of the rock. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

1410
01:33:27,622 --> 01:33:31,521
Okay. Let's give me one second to make sure we're

1411
01:33:32,102 --> 01:33:41,445
putting out the correct. Hey, Ray, could you pull up

1412
01:33:41,445 --> 01:33:45,425
the, um, the presentation, please. So it's looking at, um,

1413
01:33:45,706 --> 01:33:48,325
a2 and a3 here. So a2 is improved parking in

1414
01:33:48,325 --> 01:33:50,325
the area in a natural context through the use of

1415
01:33:50,346 --> 01:33:54,325
rocks, wood ballers and cables. And chain or heavy ropes

1416
01:33:54,426 --> 01:33:58,965
to delineate boundaries and a three is enhanced maintenance accessibility

1417
01:33:59,146 --> 01:34:04,181
sea level rise adaptation measures, improved surface and restrict. So

1418
01:34:04,602 --> 01:34:07,221
committee member Luker mentioned these are similar and they could

1419
01:34:07,221 --> 01:34:13,717
be consolidated. That was the second. The third is the

1420
01:34:13,757 --> 01:34:16,437
street end parking discussion, which we've talked about at length

1421
01:34:16,698 --> 01:34:20,578
over the last year. And then the RV camping and

1422
01:34:20,599 --> 01:34:24,338
glamping, if that should be flipped back where we keep

1423
01:34:24,359 --> 01:34:27,378
the RV camping where they're currently is an RV park

1424
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:30,418
and glapping to the north or keep it as shown.

1425
01:34:30,418 --> 01:34:33,298
And I will note on that. The reasoning behind flipping

1426
01:34:33,338 --> 01:34:35,138
it the way we did is, um, like we heard

1427
01:34:35,239 --> 01:34:38,578
some community members acknowledge, um, the glamping is a more

1428
01:34:38,578 --> 01:34:41,538
environmentally sensitive use that would make more sense along the

1429
01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:45,058
creek. And also, um, that's a better option for circulation

1430
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:46,978
because it doesn't require the RBs to go all the

1431
01:34:46,978 --> 01:34:50,978
way down to the creek to access the RV camping.

1432
01:34:51,988 --> 01:34:54,367
So those were the four items. And then I think

1433
01:34:54,367 --> 01:34:57,167
when the committee's ready done with your comments, I'll go

1434
01:34:57,167 --> 01:35:00,527
down my entire list with all eight ideas that I

1435
01:35:00,527 --> 01:35:06,623
would like compact a vote on. Regarding the elevator concept,

1436
01:35:06,623 --> 01:35:09,263
it seems to me that that would be, um, beneficial

1437
01:35:10,404 --> 01:35:13,263
to access parking up above, getting people down to the

1438
01:35:13,524 --> 01:35:17,560
embarkadero, especially if it's in ADA issue. The idea of

1439
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,249
a glass elevator would be really nice. Uh, the neckular,

1440
01:35:21,249 --> 01:35:25,009
I guess somebody said that probably wouldn't work. Although that

1441
01:35:25,009 --> 01:35:27,809
it would be an attraction, that's for sure. Like ancient

1442
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:33,030
flight down in LA. The A2 and A3 combination, um,

1443
01:35:33,071 --> 01:35:35,610
I agree with that, that they all seem to be

1444
01:35:35,631 --> 01:35:38,570
one of the same there. But as far as doing

1445
01:35:39,071 --> 01:35:44,170
something at that parking area, it's not maintained very well

1446
01:35:44,191 --> 01:35:48,625
as it is. Those columns are out there kind of

1447
01:35:48,625 --> 01:35:52,113
are in the way. Um. I don't know what you

1448
01:35:52,113 --> 01:35:56,573
could do out there that would improve the situation. But

1449
01:35:56,614 --> 01:35:58,553
as far as those columns go, if you're going to

1450
01:35:58,774 --> 01:36:00,953
reuse them or leave them in there, I mean, I

1451
01:36:00,953 --> 01:36:03,313
split like a raised pavement markers on the top of

1452
01:36:03,414 --> 01:36:06,968
them. So you can see them at night. The street

1453
01:36:07,008 --> 01:36:10,328
end parking, definitely, I've been again since day one. You're

1454
01:36:10,328 --> 01:36:15,368
eliminating very valuable premier parking places. And nothing can replace

1455
01:36:15,389 --> 01:36:18,488
them in kind. You'll not find something of equal value

1456
01:36:18,509 --> 01:36:22,168
by placing parking somewhere else and taking it away from

1457
01:36:22,208 --> 01:36:25,448
the street end parking. A lot of those parking areas

1458
01:36:25,629 --> 01:36:28,888
have handicapped spaces too. So we would be out of

1459
01:36:28,888 --> 01:36:32,448
compliance with ADA down on the embark and neuro. As

1460
01:36:32,448 --> 01:36:37,448
far as the RV glamping, um, you know, glamping or

1461
01:36:37,448 --> 01:36:42,728
even tent camping would be okay as long as everybody

1462
01:36:42,749 --> 01:36:48,488
understands that the flipling, extending, um, the moral dunes RV

1463
01:36:48,509 --> 01:36:50,248
to that area. I mean, it seems to me that

1464
01:36:50,269 --> 01:36:54,968
that would be revenue generating to do something like that.

1465
01:36:54,968 --> 01:36:57,208
And it's already a use that's there. So it wouldn't

1466
01:36:57,208 --> 01:37:00,826
be a problem. It's set for. Where it's taking over

1467
01:37:00,927 --> 01:37:03,706
the areas where the city yards are and why the

1468
01:37:03,746 --> 01:37:08,565
water treatment plant is. Those facilities, unless you have some

1469
01:37:08,605 --> 01:37:11,245
other place to put them need to belong there. So

1470
01:37:11,245 --> 01:37:15,365
you just can't erase them on your map. They exist

1471
01:37:15,626 --> 01:37:17,685
and they have to be there. Like I said, as

1472
01:37:17,685 --> 01:37:20,165
part of the plumbing of the Water Reclamation facility is

1473
01:37:20,165 --> 01:37:24,805
at those locations, including the outfall that goes to the

1474
01:37:24,805 --> 01:37:27,845
ocean, there's a standpipe, air release valve in the middle

1475
01:37:28,106 --> 01:37:31,585
of what would be that RV parking area. That has

1476
01:37:31,585 --> 01:37:34,917
to stay. It can't be removed. So those are my

1477
01:37:34,938 --> 01:37:37,077
concerns, but the other thing I want to bring up,

1478
01:37:37,077 --> 01:37:38,757
and this was brought up at the beginning by Gene

1479
01:37:38,797 --> 01:37:41,717
Dowdy, what about the water side of the embarkadora? We

1480
01:37:41,738 --> 01:37:43,397
never speak to that, you know, there's going to be

1481
01:37:43,397 --> 01:37:47,397
some, activities who go down there. There's the whale rushing

1482
01:37:48,058 --> 01:37:51,797
vessels. There's the electric boats that go in and out

1483
01:37:51,837 --> 01:37:54,657
of there's a lot of usage. And some of the

1484
01:37:54,657 --> 01:37:56,997
things that you see from that side, from the water

1485
01:37:57,098 --> 01:38:00,997
side of the waterfront. And we've never spoken to that.

1486
01:38:00,997 --> 01:38:02,837
And somehow or another, we've seen to skip over there.

1487
01:38:02,837 --> 01:38:04,677
But as soon as very important that we address that

1488
01:38:05,098 --> 01:38:11,839
too somehow. That's all I have. I'll be very brief

1489
01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:14,399
because I think you already know this about what I've

1490
01:38:14,399 --> 01:38:17,359
said. Um, I'm happy with the people mover. I could

1491
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:22,639
be okay with an elevator. Um, uh, fine obviously with

1492
01:38:22,980 --> 01:38:25,599
putting together a two and a three and deleting the

1493
01:38:25,599 --> 01:38:30,239
word restripe. Um, I'm not wild about eliminating parking on

1494
01:38:30,260 --> 01:38:32,399
the street ends, but I could live with no net

1495
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:35,439
loss in the project area. I think that's probably going

1496
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:37,759
to be on a losing end of a vote though.

1497
01:38:37,759 --> 01:38:42,399
Um, flipping the RV and the glamping, I don't particularly

1498
01:38:43,220 --> 01:38:48,079
think that it's, I'm not overly interested in, it doesn't

1499
01:38:48,079 --> 01:38:50,479
really matter to me as long as all sorts of

1500
01:38:50,519 --> 01:38:54,319
different opportunities can be on that site. So I think,

1501
01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:58,959
um, you know, if we don't specify the creek areas

1502
01:38:58,999 --> 01:39:01,899
only for glamping, if we just open it up, um,

1503
01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:04,719
for RV glamping, tent camping, that sort of thing. So.

1504
01:39:05,876 --> 01:39:12,483
Thanks. Okay. I'll be brief too, because we're starting to

1505
01:39:12,523 --> 01:39:14,803
run out of time. Uh, but, but I'd like to

1506
01:39:14,843 --> 01:39:19,283
comment that the problem at beach and embarcadero isn't just

1507
01:39:19,283 --> 01:39:23,358
traffic. It's, uh, it's like the problem you run into

1508
01:39:24,019 --> 01:39:26,958
at the, out at the morbid high school at lunchtime.

1509
01:39:26,958 --> 01:39:29,358
The people, uh, drag across that intersection. We have a

1510
01:39:29,358 --> 01:39:33,278
lot of people in town, uh, it's, it's about regulating

1511
01:39:33,459 --> 01:39:37,438
the pedestrian flow there as well as traffic because people

1512
01:39:38,019 --> 01:39:41,038
would drag across her and hold up traffic for minutes

1513
01:39:41,219 --> 01:39:42,638
and minutes and minutes a lot of time. So it's

1514
01:39:42,638 --> 01:39:46,318
not just a traffic issue there at beach in Barkett

1515
01:39:46,318 --> 01:39:48,398
Hall. It's a pedestrian issue too. So I don't know

1516
01:39:48,398 --> 01:39:51,518
if just by closing off front street and doing those

1517
01:39:51,518 --> 01:39:54,398
things, it's going to be the answer to that quagmire

1518
01:39:54,419 --> 01:39:58,718
there. I think the answer to regulate the pedestrians as

1519
01:39:58,718 --> 01:40:02,238
well so that you can move the traffic at a

1520
01:40:02,238 --> 01:40:08,238
quicker pace. Um, if you could bring up character proposed

1521
01:40:08,259 --> 01:40:16,050
actions for one, two and five. Maybe that's not just

1522
01:40:16,071 --> 01:40:19,983
a. Okay. Yeah. Ray, can you pull up the slide

1523
01:40:20,084 --> 01:40:26,019
please? Well, yeah, I think. Some of this stuff, not

1524
01:40:26,019 --> 01:40:28,679
just here, but in a couple of places, I think,

1525
01:40:28,679 --> 01:40:30,439
I think for an example, A2 could have just been

1526
01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:33,159
improved parking in area with a natural context. It doesn't

1527
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:36,519
have to, you don't have to get into what it

1528
01:40:36,519 --> 01:40:41,799
may pertain. I mean, just keep it simple. Uh, A3,

1529
01:40:41,799 --> 01:40:43,939
I think we all talked about sea level rise. And

1530
01:40:43,939 --> 01:40:47,319
I think we all kind of thought we shouldn't have

1531
01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:50,759
to deal with it right now. Uh, and then you

1532
01:40:50,759 --> 01:40:55,399
go down to, uh, B3 on that constructive peculiar for

1533
01:40:55,399 --> 01:41:00,609
approximately 10 tables. How about just construct picnic area. I

1534
01:41:00,609 --> 01:41:03,889
mean, to get so specific, I think it may lock

1535
01:41:03,889 --> 01:41:07,249
you into things later in the future, uh, and then

1536
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:14,159
concessions. I think concessions here will take away from other

1537
01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:18,159
businesses in the waterfront. Uh, it's a front and center

1538
01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:21,039
spot. If you're going to get a ton of money

1539
01:41:21,079 --> 01:41:24,959
for it, that might be, but you're not, uh, and

1540
01:41:24,999 --> 01:41:27,279
so, so that's a problem with concessions there. I think

1541
01:41:28,500 --> 01:41:30,639
concessions can mean a lot of things can be snow

1542
01:41:30,679 --> 01:41:34,768
cones. And just could mean a lot of things. So

1543
01:41:34,808 --> 01:41:36,368
I just think that when you, when you do something

1544
01:41:36,368 --> 01:41:38,768
like that, that front and center, it's a perfect spot.

1545
01:41:38,768 --> 01:41:41,248
You're going to take away from other canoe and kayak

1546
01:41:41,269 --> 01:41:47,196
remandalis up and down the waterfront. So, and, uh. And

1547
01:41:47,777 --> 01:41:55,633
that's about all I have. Thank you. Okay. If we're

1548
01:41:55,734 --> 01:41:57,153
going to vote in one of the things at street

1549
01:41:57,153 --> 01:41:59,553
parking, um, I just had a question, is it because

1550
01:41:59,574 --> 01:42:02,273
on the actual slide 36 that has all the street

1551
01:42:02,294 --> 01:42:05,453
ends, like for beach street, you lose five spaces, but

1552
01:42:06,214 --> 01:42:08,593
do you have to do that in order for circulation

1553
01:42:08,614 --> 01:42:10,433
to work there? Cause it seems like everyone's talking about

1554
01:42:10,454 --> 01:42:13,313
circulation. And so is that one that we would like

1555
01:42:13,414 --> 01:42:15,353
take out from voting? Is that one that like, we

1556
01:42:15,414 --> 01:42:19,873
want to prioritize circulation over those five spaces? Are we

1557
01:42:19,873 --> 01:42:24,614
voting on all, like all, all of them. Because it

1558
01:42:24,614 --> 01:42:26,214
seems like you need that. Like everyone keeps talking about

1559
01:42:26,875 --> 01:42:30,358
the beach street circulation right there. Is the part. And

1560
01:42:30,358 --> 01:42:33,178
so if we vote no street ends, it seems like

1561
01:42:33,178 --> 01:42:35,698
then we have a circulation problem on beach street. Is

1562
01:42:35,698 --> 01:42:42,104
that correct? Number seven. Onslet page 36. And then the

1563
01:42:43,485 --> 01:42:47,476
more of a boulevard, or sorry. Yeah. On dune street,

1564
01:42:47,476 --> 01:42:50,436
you're actually getting plus two spaces. So it just seems

1565
01:42:50,436 --> 01:42:52,996
like it's a little more nuanced than just like no

1566
01:42:53,036 --> 01:42:54,556
street ends. And I'm not certainly voting for them. I

1567
01:42:54,556 --> 01:42:56,356
don't care honestly that much either way, but it just

1568
01:42:56,396 --> 01:42:58,196
seems like, are we going to have it if we

1569
01:42:58,196 --> 01:43:00,116
say vote no to street ends? Like are we going

1570
01:43:00,116 --> 01:43:02,116
to have a trouble at Beach Street to get the

1571
01:43:02,156 --> 01:43:04,516
actuals like circulation and flow of pedestrians and cars right

1572
01:43:04,516 --> 01:43:09,184
there. So if we're going to make a motion, what

1573
01:43:09,184 --> 01:43:14,971
sounds better we want no street ends lost. Excluding beach

1574
01:43:14,971 --> 01:43:17,291
street because that's how we end up getting the better

1575
01:43:17,472 --> 01:43:21,051
pedestrian flow at the bottom of that stairs or bottom

1576
01:43:21,051 --> 01:43:25,291
of that street. Or would you prefer the motion to

1577
01:43:25,331 --> 01:43:31,131
be more on, we just don't agree with the street

1578
01:43:31,171 --> 01:43:37,933
and conversion at moral bay Boulevard. So first of all,

1579
01:43:38,034 --> 01:43:39,273
in the interest of time, what I was going to

1580
01:43:39,273 --> 01:43:42,493
suggest is, um, I just, instead of doing the whole

1581
01:43:42,674 --> 01:43:45,133
motion and second, I could just go down the list

1582
01:43:45,794 --> 01:43:48,493
and then you could just do a, a straw poll

1583
01:43:48,493 --> 01:43:51,773
vote of support or not on that. Um, you are

1584
01:43:51,794 --> 01:43:55,533
right as far as street end parking. That discussion could

1585
01:43:55,554 --> 01:43:59,853
be a little more nuanced if there is support for,

1586
01:43:59,853 --> 01:44:03,773
um, converting just the beach street end in order to

1587
01:44:03,813 --> 01:44:07,053
fix that intersection. I think that's maybe worth doing a

1588
01:44:07,053 --> 01:44:11,314
vote on. And it sounds like it is from what

1589
01:44:11,314 --> 01:44:16,907
I'm, what I'm hearing. And then of course, so what

1590
01:44:16,947 --> 01:44:20,587
I'm hearing is, okay. So based on what we've heard

1591
01:44:21,488 --> 01:44:25,067
so far, there's not a lot of support for converting

1592
01:44:25,328 --> 01:44:29,908
the street ends into plazas. Um, but instead of just

1593
01:44:29,948 --> 01:44:33,268
having that be the one vote, um, another option is

1594
01:44:34,969 --> 01:44:39,748
to support, um, converting the beach street street end to

1595
01:44:39,769 --> 01:44:43,908
a plaza because that's also necessary to fix that intersection,

1596
01:44:43,908 --> 01:44:45,748
but the rest of the street ends still should not

1597
01:44:45,788 --> 01:44:54,187
be changed. And then Dune Street, you're actually adding two.

1598
01:44:54,187 --> 01:44:55,787
So you're actually going to lose two parking spots if

1599
01:44:55,787 --> 01:44:57,467
you vote no for that one. Yeah. So cards. That's

1600
01:44:57,467 --> 01:44:58,907
what I feel. I feel like beach street and Doon

1601
01:44:58,907 --> 01:45:01,387
Street, it sounds like for the most part, we get

1602
01:45:01,387 --> 01:45:04,347
more circulation and a plaza for Beach Street. We do

1603
01:45:04,387 --> 01:45:06,987
leaves five spaces. But then Dune Street, you're adding two.

1604
01:45:06,987 --> 01:45:09,587
So your net loss is like only three spacious. If

1605
01:45:09,587 --> 01:45:11,467
you say yes to beach and dunes. And it sounds

1606
01:45:11,467 --> 01:45:12,987
like most people don't want to take away the full

1607
01:45:13,248 --> 01:45:15,227
10 spaces at more Bay Boulevard. So it seems like

1608
01:45:15,267 --> 01:45:19,607
there's more consensus that like 10 spaces a lot. And

1609
01:45:19,607 --> 01:45:23,067
for the arc. Why don't we tackle that one first?

1610
01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:25,387
Um, so first of all, I think everyone understands this,

1611
01:45:25,387 --> 01:45:29,387
but the proposed concept is predicated on no net loss

1612
01:45:29,387 --> 01:45:32,967
of parking. We've talked about that again. Many times. Um,

1613
01:45:32,967 --> 01:45:37,867
so keep that in mind. But I think, um, committee

1614
01:45:37,888 --> 01:45:42,907
member, Garrity has a great point that dunes and beach

1615
01:45:43,248 --> 01:45:44,827
look a little different than the rest of the street

1616
01:45:44,867 --> 01:45:49,347
ends. So the proposal I'm hearing, and I think we

1617
01:45:49,347 --> 01:45:54,267
would like a wand pack vote on is, um, whether

1618
01:45:54,288 --> 01:46:02,396
to. So I'm going to, so. For the street end

1619
01:46:03,217 --> 01:46:12,405
parking lots. For beach and dunes to go ahead and

1620
01:46:13,226 --> 01:46:18,085
convert those into the plazas as shown by staff, because

1621
01:46:18,266 --> 01:46:22,005
again, beach is needed to fix that intersection and then

1622
01:46:22,186 --> 01:46:25,125
dunes will result actually in a net gain in parking

1623
01:46:25,165 --> 01:46:29,945
spaces. But that the wompack support for converting the rest

1624
01:46:29,985 --> 01:46:33,465
of the street ends into a public plaza. So that's

1625
01:46:34,606 --> 01:46:37,065
the, of course, I'm not making a motion, but I

1626
01:46:37,065 --> 01:46:39,385
think that's what I like wack to vote on for

1627
01:46:39,425 --> 01:46:42,185
the record. I think it would be a really clean

1628
01:46:42,366 --> 01:46:44,745
motion if we say we like the plan as is

1629
01:46:45,806 --> 01:46:48,425
except delete the street ends at the bottom of more

1630
01:46:48,465 --> 01:46:55,138
available. That's, yeah, if that's, if you want to make

1631
01:46:55,138 --> 01:46:57,378
that motion, I mean, we can do it that way.

1632
01:46:57,378 --> 01:46:59,058
Our airline, one of the things that I understand about

1633
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:01,458
the beach street area and Chris is out there is

1634
01:47:01,498 --> 01:47:04,729
that that's dedicated for commercial fishermen to park there. So

1635
01:47:05,310 --> 01:47:08,729
are you eliminating that feature from the commercial fisherman? That's

1636
01:47:08,729 --> 01:47:11,349
something that was something that was addressed in our, um,

1637
01:47:11,470 --> 01:47:13,969
proposed concept where we would have bollards out there. So

1638
01:47:14,030 --> 01:47:16,729
commercial fishermen could still have access to those spaces as

1639
01:47:16,769 --> 01:47:19,049
needed for their operations. Well, then you can't have the

1640
01:47:19,310 --> 01:47:22,569
plaza and the commercial fisherman parking in the same spot,

1641
01:47:22,569 --> 01:47:25,369
can you? So yeah, wouldn't it be for, um, for

1642
01:47:25,470 --> 01:47:28,249
the ballers would be for commercial fishermen to access the

1643
01:47:28,270 --> 01:47:31,289
area for, you know, unloaded equipment, um, but you're right.

1644
01:47:31,289 --> 01:47:34,089
It wouldn't be four, for like long - term parking.

1645
01:47:36,273 --> 01:47:43,818
What would we be voting on then. So the one

1646
01:47:43,818 --> 01:47:45,498
thing I'd like to add to, so we talk about

1647
01:47:46,559 --> 01:47:49,178
net loss of parking, but if you say the flying

1648
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:53,258
Dutchman and his net loss is five spaces, but those

1649
01:47:53,298 --> 01:47:58,687
five spaces are down at dioxide. It hurts him. Yeah.

1650
01:47:58,687 --> 01:48:02,687
And so, so net loss, it could be different to

1651
01:48:02,687 --> 01:48:06,509
me than it is to Paul. If you understand. So

1652
01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:08,949
no net loss in front of his business, or it

1653
01:48:08,949 --> 01:48:11,749
is net loss of say five. I'm just saying five

1654
01:48:11,789 --> 01:48:14,789
or six spaces, but, but you gain way far away

1655
01:48:14,829 --> 01:48:19,541
from it. It doesn't help him. It still defeats that

1656
01:48:19,541 --> 01:48:21,861
purpose. And so what the, this came up during this

1657
01:48:21,901 --> 01:48:23,941
in the subcommittee meeting and what think they came up

1658
01:48:23,941 --> 01:48:26,501
with is within a 500 foot radius. Um, there should

1659
01:48:26,541 --> 01:48:29,541
be no net loss of argument. That's the first I've

1660
01:48:29,541 --> 01:48:32,501
heard of that. So, uh, and then, uh, as far

1661
01:48:32,541 --> 01:48:34,421
as the street ended beach street and I'll address that

1662
01:48:34,461 --> 01:48:37,850
again, um. I don't know if we have enough information

1663
01:48:39,311 --> 01:48:44,388
to. To digest what could happen there. I mean, there's

1664
01:48:44,388 --> 01:48:46,148
a little drawing here, but I mean, the stuff that

1665
01:48:46,169 --> 01:48:48,128
has to go on there. And I don't know how

1666
01:48:48,128 --> 01:48:50,688
much room is there. I've looked at drawings before, uh,

1667
01:48:50,688 --> 01:48:54,388
for different projects. And when you look down on them,

1668
01:48:54,388 --> 01:48:56,388
Oh, that looks really good. But then in reality you

1669
01:48:56,388 --> 01:48:59,055
put a tape measure on them. They don't fit. And

1670
01:48:59,055 --> 01:49:03,855
so, uh, to say, I think we, to say you

1671
01:49:03,895 --> 01:49:07,115
can develop, you need beach street for that intersection, you

1672
01:49:07,115 --> 01:49:09,295
may. I just don't know by looking at what we

1673
01:49:09,316 --> 01:49:12,735
have here. What's it going to take? So to, to

1674
01:49:12,775 --> 01:49:17,935
have a, uh, a pedestrian plaza there, which is exacerbate

1675
01:49:17,935 --> 01:49:20,735
the problem that we have with people at that, that,

1676
01:49:20,775 --> 01:49:23,708
that area already. I mean, that's the, it's not only,

1677
01:49:23,708 --> 01:49:26,668
it's only, it's not only traffic. It's people moving across

1678
01:49:26,689 --> 01:49:29,228
those intersections that it's a major problem when it comes

1679
01:49:29,228 --> 01:49:33,289
to backing up traffic. I'll just say working with our

1680
01:49:33,329 --> 01:49:37,049
transportation consultant. It's not that we think that there needs

1681
01:49:37,049 --> 01:49:40,569
to be a playground there or some other example of

1682
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:45,369
different activity. It's clarifying where people are supposed to walk.

1683
01:49:46,691 --> 01:49:50,030
Is part of the redesign. And so that is addressing

1684
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:54,270
the pedestrians. And then also, Charisse, I'm still a little

1685
01:49:54,291 --> 01:49:56,990
confused whether you think the redesign is where it needs

1686
01:49:56,990 --> 01:49:59,710
to be yet, but I know that with the transportation

1687
01:49:59,971 --> 01:50:04,350
consultant, the way that it's drawn now was to continue

1688
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:07,790
to allow for the trucks or vehicles to get in

1689
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:10,190
for fueling. And it may not be able to be

1690
01:50:10,611 --> 01:50:13,310
changed that much more. So just on those two things.

1691
01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:18,263
But yeah, we were thinking about the pedestrian flow. Regardless

1692
01:50:18,303 --> 01:50:23,463
of what, you know, if the plaza, um, because right

1693
01:50:23,463 --> 01:50:26,651
now, as we all know, it's very confusing. For pedestrians

1694
01:50:26,832 --> 01:50:30,651
in that spot. So go ahead. I just said, can

1695
01:50:30,672 --> 01:50:35,211
you clarify, I was listening, but not well, um, about

1696
01:50:35,392 --> 01:50:38,731
the no, no, no, can you about the known net

1697
01:50:38,771 --> 01:50:43,051
loss within 500 feet of the, of, of the street

1698
01:50:43,091 --> 01:50:45,691
end? Is that, can you talk about that a little

1699
01:50:45,691 --> 01:50:50,677
bit. That's it. So that was a discussion topic at

1700
01:50:50,717 --> 01:50:55,797
the parculking and circulation subcommittee meeting. And that's what the

1701
01:50:55,978 --> 01:51:01,397
subcommittee agreed to was support of converting the street ends,

1702
01:51:01,397 --> 01:51:03,957
um, provided that the loss of parking within a 500

1703
01:51:04,058 --> 01:51:07,477
foot radius because that's a typical, you know, walking range.

1704
01:51:07,477 --> 01:51:11,113
Okay. Just one comment before we go deeper on this

1705
01:51:11,374 --> 01:51:16,153
too. If you look at Dune Street, just looking at

1706
01:51:16,334 --> 01:51:20,153
it compared to Google Maps image, the parking seems to

1707
01:51:20,414 --> 01:51:24,633
kind of make the pedestrian access like really close to

1708
01:51:25,054 --> 01:51:27,113
geos. And I don't know if anyone has ever chosen

1709
01:51:27,294 --> 01:51:30,793
to walk right in front of the takeout window there.

1710
01:51:30,793 --> 01:51:33,433
I know I never have, um, because it's just very

1711
01:51:33,694 --> 01:51:36,953
crowded with tourists and very difficult for traffic. So I

1712
01:51:36,953 --> 01:51:41,273
just personally think that aside from the parking issues, there's

1713
01:51:41,294 --> 01:51:44,553
just a lot of other issues with the proposal here.

1714
01:51:44,553 --> 01:51:49,454
And so wouldn't feel comfortable voting for it. So, so

1715
01:51:50,275 --> 01:51:52,174
we're, we're running out of time. And it seems like

1716
01:51:52,174 --> 01:51:56,475
we run out of time every meeting. I don't know

1717
01:51:56,515 --> 01:51:59,035
what we can get accomplished here as, as far as

1718
01:52:00,576 --> 01:52:04,075
votes. I mean, it looks like we do want memorialize.

1719
01:52:05,235 --> 01:52:08,654
Several things, maybe eight or 10 things, it looks like.

1720
01:52:09,395 --> 01:52:10,654
And, uh, I don't know if we can put that

1721
01:52:10,675 --> 01:52:14,959
together in the next. Nine minutes. Maybe you just go

1722
01:52:14,959 --> 01:52:16,959
to some easier. So, and I don't know how to

1723
01:52:16,999 --> 01:52:20,379
roll this. I know you're on a timeline, but, uh,

1724
01:52:20,379 --> 01:52:23,039
this is, this is something that's going to have all

1725
01:52:23,079 --> 01:52:24,559
our names on it for the next 20 years or

1726
01:52:24,580 --> 01:52:26,879
30 years. And it's really important to try to get

1727
01:52:26,919 --> 01:52:28,399
it right. I'm not saying we're going to get it

1728
01:52:28,399 --> 01:52:30,479
right, but we're going to do our best to get

1729
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,719
it right. So I don't know, can we, uh, can

1730
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:37,019
I make a question? Go ahead. So one of the

1731
01:52:37,019 --> 01:52:39,759
things that throughout this process, I've been told is that

1732
01:52:39,780 --> 01:52:44,719
we want coastal commission to get this and approve it.

1733
01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:47,759
And one of their big things is the widening of

1734
01:52:47,860 --> 01:52:52,399
sidewalks and public access on the Waterfront. Am I incorrect

1735
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:55,359
in saying that? That it's that we really do want

1736
01:52:55,380 --> 01:52:59,359
to show that we're broadening the pedestrian area on the

1737
01:52:59,359 --> 01:53:02,159
harbor. It's a requirement of our general plan. So it's

1738
01:53:02,199 --> 01:53:04,559
a requirement of our general plan. So if we just

1739
01:53:05,060 --> 01:53:07,199
hired everybody to do all of this and figure it

1740
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:11,119
out and then figure other parking spaces, I think that

1741
01:53:11,159 --> 01:53:14,079
that's what we've been asking them to do. So if

1742
01:53:14,119 --> 01:53:17,919
we say no to it, I don't, it's kind of,

1743
01:53:17,959 --> 01:53:19,659
we've got to give and take a little bit. And

1744
01:53:19,700 --> 01:53:22,639
I think getting rid of making a motion to just

1745
01:53:22,679 --> 01:53:25,839
say, um, we like the way that it is except

1746
01:53:25,839 --> 01:53:31,039
for we don't want the moral bay boulevard street end

1747
01:53:31,060 --> 01:53:34,799
to be converted. I think we've accomplished a good amount

1748
01:53:34,839 --> 01:53:38,239
of parking spaces in the other things that the staff

1749
01:53:38,260 --> 01:53:42,233
has done. I agree with exception. I'm doing this for

1750
01:53:42,334 --> 01:53:45,297
this people in more obey, not the coastal commission. Myself.

1751
01:53:51,496 --> 01:53:55,235
Can we just start maybe voting on a few things?

1752
01:53:55,275 --> 01:53:56,995
Yeah. So I mean, this is again, I think the

1753
01:53:56,995 --> 01:54:00,675
most tricky one. And I think the wand pack needs

1754
01:54:00,675 --> 01:54:03,155
to just discuss among yourselves and come up with emotion

1755
01:54:03,176 --> 01:54:04,835
and about on this. And we've been talking about it

1756
01:54:04,875 --> 01:54:07,755
for, for over a year. So I don't think, I

1757
01:54:07,755 --> 01:54:09,395
mean, yes, in a way, it's rushed, but again, we've

1758
01:54:09,435 --> 01:54:11,635
been going over the same concepts for quite some time

1759
01:54:11,635 --> 01:54:16,379
now. And so I think. We haven't had the details

1760
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,659
because I'm looking at this drawing. I don't get it.

1761
01:54:19,659 --> 01:54:22,619
I mean, it looks like you narrowed the road a

1762
01:54:22,619 --> 01:54:27,149
little bit. Is that right? Uh, so there's a, so

1763
01:54:27,149 --> 01:54:33,029
for the street going south on in Barcadero at beach,

1764
01:54:33,069 --> 01:54:37,943
there's a left turn and a straight. And that's going

1765
01:54:37,943 --> 01:54:40,223
to continue like that. There's not a, I mean, it

1766
01:54:40,223 --> 01:54:46,152
looks narrowed. Doesn't look narrow to me. Because you got

1767
01:54:46,273 --> 01:54:48,172
the, you got that, I don't know if it's a

1768
01:54:48,193 --> 01:54:50,972
parklet at the end there on that side. So that's

1769
01:54:51,012 --> 01:54:56,492
what's my hurdle right there. It's like, how does that,

1770
01:54:56,492 --> 01:54:58,172
I can't tell how that's going to work by just

1771
01:54:58,212 --> 01:55:01,212
that little drawing on there. Doesn't make sense to me.

1772
01:55:01,252 --> 01:55:05,444
I can't vote on that. I don't, I don't like

1773
01:55:05,484 --> 01:55:07,444
the way it's. So Arlen, how do we, how do

1774
01:55:07,484 --> 01:55:12,004
we move forward today, uh, and be prepared for the

1775
01:55:12,044 --> 01:55:16,724
next one. I mean, uh, can, can we, uh, obviously

1776
01:55:16,724 --> 01:55:19,844
it looks like we're not ready to vote on revised,

1777
01:55:19,844 --> 01:55:22,284
pervert alternate night. That's what looks like to me. I

1778
01:55:22,284 --> 01:55:24,724
mean, that's what I'm assuming. And then I think it

1779
01:55:24,724 --> 01:55:26,484
looks like there's eight or 10 things that we like

1780
01:55:26,665 --> 01:55:29,044
memorialize. Did you say you had written down some things

1781
01:55:29,044 --> 01:55:32,170
that you wanted to add. Yeah. Could you do that?

1782
01:55:33,471 --> 01:55:36,970
Yeah. So let's see, we went over elevator, the 82,

1783
01:55:36,970 --> 01:55:40,410
a three straight imparking, the RV camping glamping. Um, the

1784
01:55:40,450 --> 01:55:43,930
other one was the one way circulation. I think that

1785
01:55:43,970 --> 01:55:46,330
could be a straightforward one because our circulation and consultants

1786
01:55:46,351 --> 01:55:48,490
said that would not gain any parking spaces or provide

1787
01:55:48,911 --> 01:55:52,570
any real benefit that makes it worth pursuing any further.

1788
01:55:52,570 --> 01:55:54,570
But I did hear some interest in that on the

1789
01:55:54,570 --> 01:55:57,887
committee. So wanted to bring that up. Widening the bridge,

1790
01:55:57,887 --> 01:56:00,607
I put that here. However, that's already shown in the

1791
01:56:00,647 --> 01:56:02,207
plan. So I don't think we actually have to have

1792
01:56:02,207 --> 01:56:04,798
a separate vote on that. I did hear an idea

1793
01:56:05,459 --> 01:56:08,958
from committee member Hanson about employee parking. I believe on

1794
01:56:08,998 --> 01:56:10,878
the top of market, I think was at Pacific and

1795
01:56:10,878 --> 01:56:14,732
market. Parking lot. So I haven't heard from other committee

1796
01:56:14,772 --> 01:56:17,088
members on that idea. And then, um, whether or not

1797
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:23,513
to continue the harbor walk to target rock. Um, I

1798
01:56:23,513 --> 01:56:26,713
don't need motion to do the employee parking. I think

1799
01:56:26,713 --> 01:56:28,713
that the business is down there can actually work together

1800
01:56:28,894 --> 01:56:31,353
to make that happen, um, just as long as it's

1801
01:56:31,393 --> 01:56:35,461
a safe travel. So, um. If we want to make

1802
01:56:35,642 --> 01:56:38,501
a motion to approve this as is with the other

1803
01:56:38,922 --> 01:56:40,981
edits, the ones that I see, if I could do

1804
01:56:40,981 --> 01:56:45,861
this, get this done is one, um, a glass elevator

1805
01:56:46,202 --> 01:56:49,781
at the base of more obey to embarcadero street level.

1806
01:56:49,781 --> 01:56:53,701
Um, second edit would be combined parking A2 and A3

1807
01:56:56,282 --> 01:57:00,369
and remove the word restripe. And for number three, it

1808
01:57:00,390 --> 01:57:07,009
would be that no street end parkings are converted into

1809
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:12,944
plazas. Except with the exception of Beach Street, which, um,

1810
01:57:14,985 --> 01:57:16,724
with the exception of beach street, because that's really not

1811
01:57:16,745 --> 01:57:23,480
a plaza, right? It is. Cause it's still has parking.

1812
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:26,440
Well, all the pedestrian pedestrian connection. It looks like it

1813
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:29,940
is. So as long as that's not considered applezai, you

1814
01:57:29,940 --> 01:57:32,200
know, the area that they have for the pavers for

1815
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,800
the parking and the fuel. It says it is. It

1816
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,360
says it's a plaza. It says, yeah, public plaza. I

1817
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:40,600
think the idea is if that, that parking lot exit

1818
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,600
is blocked off so it doesn't go into the beat

1819
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,040
street intersection. What are we going to do with that

1820
01:57:44,701 --> 01:57:46,960
space? I think that's what we would need. Well, I

1821
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,480
think you still need to, whatever you put there, you

1822
01:57:49,501 --> 01:57:51,800
can't put a whole lot because you're going to have

1823
01:57:52,621 --> 01:57:58,760
fuel trucks and, and fishermen loading and unloading. I wouldn't

1824
01:57:58,861 --> 01:58:03,800
consider a plaza. And, um, and I think that those

1825
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,840
are the three main important things. So if we want

1826
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,440
to. I'm wondering if we also, if the broad consensus,

1827
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:14,440
I've heard before that there was for the expansion of

1828
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,160
the maritime museum. I'm wondering if it would be quite

1829
01:58:17,181 --> 01:58:19,960
easy to just add that as well to codify. Cause

1830
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,640
I think we as a committee had discussed. I don't

1831
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,080
think that's what the committee is here for. We can't,

1832
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:28,800
we're not supporting businesses or the plan on that. I

1833
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,520
don't think that's, I just don't agree with that. Okay.

1834
01:58:32,541 --> 01:58:34,760
That's fine. Endless. Yeah. No, I was just testing the

1835
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:36,520
waters because I thought we had kind of a line

1836
01:58:36,621 --> 01:58:38,280
as a committee on that before, but that's fine. We

1837
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,750
don't need a complicated if there's not support. I'll make

1838
01:58:41,790 --> 01:58:43,830
a motion if you want me to. If you want

1839
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:45,350
to take a hell of a cart and just make

1840
01:58:45,451 --> 01:58:49,190
a motion on the, I'll rephrase it just for notes.

1841
01:58:49,211 --> 01:58:51,670
You want to use that. I'll make a motion. Yeah.

1842
01:58:51,670 --> 01:58:53,270
We'll see if it passes. I hope it does. Okay.

1843
01:58:53,931 --> 01:58:58,550
Um, we approve the, uh, revised plan as is with

1844
01:58:58,550 --> 01:59:02,550
the following exceptions that at the base of moral bay

1845
01:59:02,590 --> 01:59:07,110
boulevard to embroider a street level. We put a viewing

1846
01:59:07,451 --> 01:59:14,230
elevator. Number two, combined parking A2A3 and remove restrict from

1847
01:59:14,251 --> 01:59:19,270
that. And then three no street ends completely converted into

1848
01:59:20,251 --> 01:59:29,134
plazas. One second.

1849
01:59:30,711 --> 01:59:33,730
No. No, because parts of that I like and parts

1850
01:59:33,730 --> 01:59:35,490
of it I don't like the combine at all in

1851
01:59:35,490 --> 01:59:38,050
one. If we could just do a quick, uh, like

1852
01:59:38,050 --> 01:59:40,530
a vote on the elevator, a vote on the harbor

1853
01:59:40,570 --> 01:59:42,850
walk and a vote on that's, you know. Okay. I'll

1854
01:59:42,871 --> 01:59:46,210
make that motion to accept the glass elevator at the

1855
01:59:46,231 --> 01:59:48,610
base of Moral Babel of our to embark at Air

1856
01:59:48,650 --> 01:59:53,090
Street level and to number two, to combine parking A2

1857
01:59:53,130 --> 01:59:56,050
and A3 and remove the word restrict. You like those

1858
01:59:56,311 --> 02:00:06,002
two. I'll second that. Any

1859
02:00:06,583 --> 02:00:11,282
discussed? So by doing that, or agreeing with the actual,

1860
02:00:11,282 --> 02:00:14,642
um, everything. And that also includes the street and plazas.

1861
02:00:14,743 --> 02:00:19,296
No. I'm not agreeing to that. In each one individually.

1862
02:00:19,296 --> 02:00:24,974
Okay. So. Are we setting aside the speed end plaza.

1863
02:00:27,652 --> 02:00:32,111
So are we setting aside the street end plaza part?

1864
02:00:32,111 --> 02:00:38,991
Okay. Yes. So committee member Hanson. Taking the vote.

1865
02:00:41,953 --> 02:00:48,731
Yes. So what's stopping us from. Calling the meeting and

1866
02:00:48,752 --> 02:00:51,291
working on this a little bit somehow and haven't, I

1867
02:00:51,291 --> 02:00:53,371
know you have to have a timeline, but I mean,

1868
02:00:53,472 --> 02:00:55,931
everything we're going to do here, it's now five o'clock.

1869
02:00:55,931 --> 02:00:57,851
We have a hard stop at five. And everything we

1870
02:00:57,891 --> 02:01:03,291
could do is going to be rushed. And that's right.

1871
02:01:03,472 --> 02:01:06,331
I know for prepared to, are we prepared to make

1872
02:01:08,512 --> 02:01:09,771
stopping us right now? It's the fact that we have

1873
02:01:09,811 --> 02:01:11,771
emotional table that we need to do a call on.

1874
02:01:11,872 --> 02:01:15,771
There is a motion on the table. So, uh, got

1875
02:01:15,792 --> 02:01:19,691
second. So all those in favor of, uh, Charissa's motion

1876
02:01:19,872 --> 02:01:29,062
say aye. Aye. Opposed. No. No. So motion passes five,

1877
02:01:29,062 --> 02:01:38,924
two. Let's do a roll call.

1878
02:01:40,739 --> 02:01:43,358
Can we clarify what, what we were actually just voting

1879
02:01:43,379 --> 02:01:46,318
on right now. Is it to, was it the whole,

1880
02:01:46,318 --> 02:01:52,647
the whole. Just two items. It's just feelings on two

1881
02:01:52,647 --> 02:01:55,607
specific changes regarding and it's not saying if you only

1882
02:01:55,647 --> 02:02:01,468
change those two things, then we approve. Okay. Did you

1883
02:02:01,508 --> 02:02:02,988
want to roll call? Yeah. So I'm going to go

1884
02:02:02,988 --> 02:02:05,068
ahead and do, I'll do a roll call vote. Okay.

1885
02:02:05,108 --> 02:02:11,180
On this. So committee member Hanson. Committee member Donnally. Yes.

1886
02:02:11,180 --> 02:02:16,926
Committee member Costanzo. Yes. Many member Garrity? Yes. Committee member

1887
02:02:16,947 --> 02:02:21,203
Luker. No. Committee member Wachowski? Yes. Vice chair talking to

1888
02:02:21,243 --> 02:02:23,949
Zini. No.

1889
02:02:32,234 --> 02:02:39,291
So motion passes. Five to two. So that's the support.

1890
02:02:39,358 --> 02:02:48,636
The revised preferred alternative with those. No. It was, well,

1891
02:02:48,636 --> 02:02:50,956
sorry. My understanding the way it was just explained to

1892
02:02:50,956 --> 02:02:55,835
me was that was specifically voting on two changes. So

1893
02:02:56,416 --> 02:03:00,795
it was at least my vote was not saying if

1894
02:03:00,795 --> 02:03:04,555
you just changed those two things, I support the revised

1895
02:03:04,595 --> 02:03:07,915
alternative. It was just to vote on those specific changes.

1896
02:03:09,153 --> 02:03:11,372
At least that's what I thought was just explained to

1897
02:03:11,372 --> 02:03:15,225
me. And that's what my vote was on. That's what

1898
02:03:15,566 --> 02:03:18,425
I said. My understanding was also. So are we in

1899
02:03:18,425 --> 02:03:21,145
agreement that the only thing that we're still concerned about

1900
02:03:21,646 --> 02:03:25,385
changing and making it a different motion is the street

1901
02:03:25,385 --> 02:03:30,891
ends. So far. Okay. So does anybody else have a

1902
02:03:30,931 --> 02:03:34,171
motion that they want to put out there to the

1903
02:03:34,272 --> 02:03:37,771
one last final concept? I make a motion that we

1904
02:03:37,792 --> 02:03:40,731
not convert any of the street and parkinso or anything

1905
02:03:40,771 --> 02:03:44,534
else that they remain as they are. Aye second.

1906
02:03:50,924 --> 02:03:52,983
Are we voting on just a single item, not the,

1907
02:03:52,983 --> 02:03:57,177
not the whole. Austrians, but not, not the rest of

1908
02:03:57,217 --> 02:04:02,048
the. Okay. We're all clearing that. Okay. All those in

1909
02:04:02,048 --> 02:04:07,651
favor. How about you a roll? I opposed. No. I'm

1910
02:04:07,651 --> 02:04:09,651
going to do a roll call about the fetal mindset

1911
02:04:09,672 --> 02:04:14,531
promozini. So we're at 503. Is it a hard stop

1912
02:04:14,571 --> 02:04:16,691
at five or helped me with this? I mean, half

1913
02:04:16,691 --> 02:04:18,271
starts at 530. I think we can go a few

1914
02:04:18,271 --> 02:04:19,731
minutes over. And you think we can get this done

1915
02:04:20,712 --> 02:04:24,451
fairly and equitably? Uh, yeah, we have one other item

1916
02:04:24,712 --> 02:04:28,191
though. Um, it's creating the submitting for Design Guidelines, but

1917
02:04:28,191 --> 02:04:30,451
let's, we have the motion in second on the table.

1918
02:04:30,451 --> 02:04:32,211
So. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and do

1919
02:04:32,251 --> 02:04:36,502
the roll call. Okay. So committee member Donnally. Yes. Committee

1920
02:04:36,542 --> 02:04:40,893
member or vice chair, dog musine. And this is just

1921
02:04:41,074 --> 02:04:44,473
on those two items and not on the whole, the

1922
02:04:44,473 --> 02:04:49,515
one item, excuse me. Yes. Um, committee member Costanzo. Yes.

1923
02:04:50,176 --> 02:04:55,395
And the number Hanson? No. Committee member Garrity. No. Many

1924
02:04:55,395 --> 02:04:58,932
member Luker. Committee member Wachowski. Yes.

1925
02:05:23,861 --> 02:05:31,083
So that was the. Question. No, it doesn't pass, correct?

1926
02:05:33,024 --> 02:05:39,534
No, it. Tastes four. It did. Yeah. Four three. Yeah.

1927
02:05:40,442 --> 02:05:42,741
It passed. Yeah. So it's four three to pass the

1928
02:05:42,781 --> 02:05:51,500
motion. Mr. Lance. So where are we now.

1929
02:05:53,781 --> 02:05:56,960
So now there's the balance of the plan. Just confirmation

1930
02:05:56,981 --> 02:06:01,360
of support for the balance of the revised preferred alternative.

1931
02:06:03,887 --> 02:06:06,826
And when can we memorialize some of the things we've

1932
02:06:06,847 --> 02:06:09,568
talked about. When, when does that come in? If we

1933
02:06:09,568 --> 02:06:11,248
just go right to the vote, then we're not able

1934
02:06:11,248 --> 02:06:15,092
to memorialize the different things we've talked about. As far

1935
02:06:15,092 --> 02:06:18,573
as an emotion. Well, there could be additional motions if

1936
02:06:18,594 --> 02:06:21,933
the items that aren't shown in the preferred alternative or

1937
02:06:21,973 --> 02:06:29,961
weren't covered in those additional motions. We just covered. So

1938
02:06:30,001 --> 02:06:33,001
if I'm following along the right way for us to

1939
02:06:33,041 --> 02:06:36,041
do this right now is that we, um, agree on

1940
02:06:36,542 --> 02:06:39,801
the plan in totality minus the three things that we

1941
02:06:39,982 --> 02:06:43,914
just made motions about. Correct? Correct. I make the motion

1942
02:06:43,954 --> 02:06:51,708
to accept with the previous motions. Can you say that

1943
02:06:51,748 --> 02:06:54,188
again, please? What are we doing? Sorry. We are approving

1944
02:06:54,289 --> 02:06:57,708
the plan as is with the exceptions of the last

1945
02:06:57,809 --> 02:07:04,895
two motions that we made. I second. Yes.

1946
02:07:08,353 --> 02:07:10,012
You're going to do a roll call or you want

1947
02:07:10,012 --> 02:07:12,652
to do this. I'm just ready to go. So can

1948
02:07:12,652 --> 02:07:16,651
you do the motion again, please? The motion is to

1949
02:07:16,691 --> 02:07:20,811
accept the revised plan as is with the exception of

1950
02:07:20,992 --> 02:07:30,593
the previous two motions that we made. And. Where Mary

1951
02:07:30,694 --> 02:07:36,499
seconded. So we just need a roll call. Those in

1952
02:07:36,499 --> 02:07:38,599
favor. I'm going to go ahead and do the roll

1953
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:48,142
call. So committee member Hanson. Yes. Committee member Wachowski. Yes.

1954
02:07:51,338 --> 02:07:58,949
Committee member Costanzo. Yes. Committee member Donnally. No.

1955
02:08:01,460 --> 02:08:10,098
Member Garrity. Yes. Committee member Luker? Yes. And vice chair

1956
02:08:10,098 --> 02:08:19,527
talking to Zini. No. The motion passes five, two. That's

1957
02:08:19,527 --> 02:08:23,207
the direction, uh, that we need on the revised preferred

1958
02:08:23,207 --> 02:08:26,487
alternative. There's one other item I'm hoping we can squeeze

1959
02:08:26,527 --> 02:08:29,127
in here. And that is forming a subcommittee for the

1960
02:08:29,127 --> 02:08:34,259
design guidelines. So do we have any volunteers that would

1961
02:08:34,259 --> 02:08:37,579
like to be in the subcommittee for the guidelines, I

1962
02:08:37,579 --> 02:08:38,899
guess we can take up to four. Is that what

1963
02:08:38,899 --> 02:08:40,499
it is? I know Steven Peck would like to be

1964
02:08:40,539 --> 02:08:43,616
on it. Can I just ask a question about do

1965
02:08:43,616 --> 02:08:45,936
you do those meetings in person or is it possible

1966
02:08:45,976 --> 02:08:49,950
to Zoom on those meetings. The past subcommittee meetings have

1967
02:08:49,950 --> 02:08:52,510
been in person. It's been helpful to have everyone in

1968
02:08:52,510 --> 02:08:54,190
the room, but I think if the committee member who

1969
02:08:54,230 --> 02:08:56,350
really wants to be on a subcommittee and we can

1970
02:08:56,390 --> 02:09:06,324
accommodate a Zoom participation. I'd like to. Go ahead and

1971
02:09:06,905 --> 02:09:10,909
yeah, I'd like Steven Paul. Who else. Uh, I'd like

1972
02:09:10,909 --> 02:09:13,389
to be an aught too as a planning commission representative.

1973
02:09:14,263 --> 02:09:17,921
It's three enough. Do you need four. It could be

1974
02:09:17,921 --> 02:09:20,615
up to four. Oh, I'd like to do. It if

1975
02:09:20,655 --> 02:09:22,826
nobody else. But I'll have to be probably by Zoom.

1976
02:09:22,847 --> 02:09:25,466
I'm sorry. I'd like to do it probably by Zoom

1977
02:09:25,727 --> 02:09:32,392
though. Okay. If it's September. Okay. So that do what

1978
02:09:32,392 --> 02:09:34,952
we need to have motion on that? No, so subcommittee

1979
02:09:34,992 --> 02:09:39,912
will consist of committee member Donna Lee. Wakowski chairpek and

1980
02:09:39,912 --> 02:09:47,721
committee member Luker. Thank you. So where we at adjournment.

1981
02:09:48,779 --> 02:09:50,598
I think we're ready for you to take a motion

1982
02:09:51,099 --> 02:09:53,158
for a tournament. I'd like to take a motion for

1983
02:09:53,198 --> 02:09:59,989
a tournament place. Move the wee adjourn. All in favor.

1984
02:09:59,989 --> 02:10:00,309
Aye.