1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,280 So, it's 5:30, so we'll go ahead and 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,480 call this workshop to order. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,040 And just welcome everybody for coming 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,040 out and we'll go ahead and get started 5 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,880 here starting with item number one for 6 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,680 the town recorder position. And Tyler, 7 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,800 if you want to go over that. 8 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,680 >> Sure. So, if you'll notice we have a new 9 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,600 face up here at the table with us 10 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,640 tonight. Um 11 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,920 I have interviewed some candidates and 12 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,360 had some deliberations over the town 13 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,040 recorder position. And I ultimately 14 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,120 decided to promote from within and so 15 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Tiffany has been selected for that 16 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,760 position as well as finance director. 17 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Um the town recorder position does 18 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,040 require an official confirmation by the 19 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,280 BMA, more of a procedural thing. Uh so, 20 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,880 that'll be coming up 21 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,080 two weeks at our next meeting. But, uh 22 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,120 glad to have her in this position and 23 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,360 the knowledge that she's going to bring 24 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,120 to it having worked here uh for over 25 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,680 three years. 26 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,640 >> Congratulations and thank you on that. 27 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Any questions or anything on that one? 28 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,960 I'll take us then to the item number 29 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,110 two, certified tax rate second reading. 30 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,120 » So, we brought an ordinance to you last 31 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,000 month about the certified tax rate. 32 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,870 This was due to the 33 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,080 comptroller's office releasing that 34 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,480 after our budget had already been 35 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,040 passed. So, that's a point 9758 tax rate 36 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,160 and this ordinance is just confirming 37 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,120 that rate and updating that for the 38 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,430 upcoming or the current fiscal year. 39 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,430 » Questions on that? 40 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Moving on to item number three, update 41 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,960 on flock cameras. 42 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:42,560 >> So, if you remember during our budget 43 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,280 conversations, 44 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,120 there was an item approved for flock 45 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,880 cameras within the police department 46 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,480 budget. 47 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Um 48 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,320 we have been contacted by a couple of 49 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,800 media outlets asking where where we're 50 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,200 at with that process. We have um in the 51 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,680 past several weeks, decided to put that 52 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,600 on pause for the time being and invest 53 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,920 that money in other areas in the police 54 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,600 department, other 55 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,320 software that we need in order to 56 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,679 improve our report writing and ticket 57 00:02:10,679 --> 00:02:13,520 writing. So, we have we've redirected 58 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,959 those uh 59 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:16,600 that amount of money for this for the 60 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,640 time being. Not to say that it's 61 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,680 100% off the table 62 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,560 altogether, but as far as this fiscal 63 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,760 year, it is not going to happen. So, we 64 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,520 just wanted to make you aware that for 65 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,600 now that 66 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,640 process has been put on hold. 67 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:33,360 >> Will we have to come back and pass it 68 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,080 again? 69 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,600 >> It would have to be included in future 70 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,680 budgets if you wanted it at that time. 71 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,400 >> Okay. 72 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,630 Is the pause due to the 73 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,080 legislations that's trying to happen 74 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,120 at that state and federal levels? 75 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,480 >> The primary reason that we decided to to 76 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,920 pause was to 77 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,480 invest that money in our new 78 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,800 ticket 79 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,910 and crime reporting software. 80 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:04,519 » So, all that is one thing on that. I 81 00:03:04,519 --> 00:03:06,160 think if we do decide to move forward 82 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,600 that in the future, I would just I just 83 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,400 like to see us make that more of an up 84 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,760 down vote on the board making that 85 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,800 decision if we proceed with that more so 86 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,239 than just putting in the budget cuz I 87 00:03:15,239 --> 00:03:16,200 mean I would 88 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,120 I I never brought up in the budget time 89 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,680 about taking that money out of that for 90 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,040 that line. I don't 91 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,239 and 92 00:03:22,239 --> 00:03:23,800 I don't want to kill the whole budget 93 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,200 just because of a single line item with 94 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,720 it. So, it's like if we're out I think 95 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,320 with something like that if we decide to 96 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,200 ever move forward with that, I'd like to 97 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,400 just see us 98 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,280 have an up down vote on on if we proceed 99 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,000 with it or not. 100 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,720 >> I think that if we were to pursue it 101 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 again in the future, that that would be 102 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,200 a requirement from the company before we 103 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,000 went fully live that we would need some 104 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,840 kind of resolution. So, we would 105 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,040 probably approach it in that manner if 106 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,600 it were to be brought up in the future. 107 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,760 >> So, based off that and with no current agreement or contract or 108 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,400 anything like that and now we would have 109 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,000 to have a resolution to proceed with it. 110 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,520 It's essentially dead at the moment. 111 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,510 >> And be correct for the time being. Yes. 112 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,830 » Any other questions on that? 113 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,000 I'll take us then on to item number 114 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 four, property issue at 912 South 115 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,520 Sherbrook. 116 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,880 >> So, 117 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,239 this is a slightly complex issue and I 118 00:04:19,239 --> 00:04:20,920 will try to 119 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,280 make it as simple as possible for you to 120 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,240 understand and um 121 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,840 present you with the options the town 122 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,680 attorney and his office have been 123 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,400 crucial in helping us understand our 124 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,480 options in this situation, but um 125 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,880 so that this relates to 912 South 126 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Sherbrook Circle, which is an uh the 127 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,560 property um owners are selling that 128 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,000 property. 129 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,680 Uh when they when they purchased the 130 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,840 lot, 131 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,320 there's a shed and a driveway that 132 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,280 actually resides on an unopened public 133 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,560 street that the the right to that um 134 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,360 belongs to the town. 135 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,040 So, the current owners didn't build 136 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,560 that, but they inherited the property 137 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,040 that way and they have been taking care 138 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,360 of the property even though it is not 139 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,200 physically on their property. They've 140 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,160 gone now to sell it and um want to get 141 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,560 this resolved before they can go to 142 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,800 closing. 143 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,160 So, they don't they don't possess any 144 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,200 ownership interest in it. Um 145 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,680 but they're asking us to do something 146 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,400 about it. We have a couple of options. 147 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,960 We can either keep the street 148 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,120 corridor uh 149 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,360 open 150 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,919 and allow them to use it temporarily 151 00:05:28,919 --> 00:05:31,600 uh under a a revocable agreement, or we 152 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,880 can permanently give up the street uh by 153 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,640 vacating the street. 154 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Um there are a couple of other options, 155 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,080 but basically we're free to decide how 156 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,120 we want to proceed with this based on 157 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,200 long-term goals and interests rather 158 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,400 than this, you know, uh immediate need 159 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:49,720 that we've been asked about by the 160 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,280 property owners. So, the first option is 161 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:54,120 we can do nothing. The second option 162 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,160 would be we can require them to remove 163 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,680 those 164 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,920 uh 165 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,760 improvements, the shed and the driveway. 166 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,920 We can require that to be removed. 167 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,600 The third option would be allow the 168 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,200 improvements to stay with the revocable 169 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,040 agreement that the town could revoke at 170 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,520 any time in the future that it deemed 171 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,320 necessary we would need that road need 172 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,400 that street to be open. 173 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Um 174 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,240 fourth option would be to grant a an easement, 175 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,000 which is complicated and it gives pretty 176 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,480 much the same result as the temporary 177 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,000 revocable agreement. And then the the 178 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,680 final fifth option would be just to 179 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,880 vacate the street altogether. 180 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,120 Um 181 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,480 we 182 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,320 we've reviewed this, deliberated about 183 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,720 it. We feel that the option C, which is 184 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,520 a temporary revocable agreement, will 185 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,120 probably be best, 186 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,919 but at the end of the day it's it's up 187 00:06:46,919 --> 00:06:48,480 to your decision. 188 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,120 And I will let the town attorney speak 189 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,080 to any further comments that he may have 190 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,080 might give you more insight on the issue 191 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,000 and then we can have any questions. 192 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,360 >> There's a couple of different avenues to 193 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,040 really achieve 194 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,120 a situation to kind of give everybody 195 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,600 what they want here, but really 196 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,360 our position is to take care of the town 197 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,000 and 198 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,560 um there's two different things that 199 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,919 achieve essentially the same outcome. 200 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:19,120 One of which is to grant an easement. 201 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,200 And the easement itself seems simple 202 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,080 and there's different ways to explain 203 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080 it, but more or less 204 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,760 the easement can be written 205 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,360 two different ways. One in which it 206 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,040 would go specifically as to the new 207 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,160 owner. 208 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Another way in which it would go to the 209 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,640 land itself. 210 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,520 And if the town ever wanted to take that 211 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,320 land back, it's my understanding I think 212 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,600 there's around 70 acres behind that 213 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,040 property. 214 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,400 And they wanted to utilize that for any 215 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,880 type of development or anything that 216 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,800 could benefit the town. That could 217 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,080 lead to litigation to just a headache 218 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,800 down the road. 219 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,840 We could do a revocable license, which 220 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,400 essentially achieves the same exact 221 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,280 thing. It allows them the use of that 222 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,760 land. It allows them to maintain, do as 223 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,120 they please. 224 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,640 But it's revocable at any time by the 225 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,760 town. 226 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 And that would be recorded along with 227 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,280 the deed. So, it's nothing permanent. It 228 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,320 would be with the understanding 229 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,400 that if the town wanted to use that 70 230 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,440 acres behind that and use that 231 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,560 particular entrance rather than another 232 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,440 egress route uh 233 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,719 another entrance route, that uh they would still have access to 234 00:08:33,719 --> 00:08:35,640 that. So, it's kind of a layer of 235 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,719 protection for the town and down the 236 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:38,800 road 237 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,719 even though this little 238 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:43,760 road piece of land in between may never 239 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,960 be used. This may never be an issue in 240 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,520 the future. 241 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,880 But if it is, it allows us to just 242 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,720 simply say, "Okay, we're taking that 243 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,600 back. We now want control of it." So, 244 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,680 it's almost like it's on loan. Whereas 245 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,720 the other way is physically going 246 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,870 through litigation to try to recover it. 247 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,040 » And Jason, what's your input on it? You 248 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,600 know, probably you know these roads back 249 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,430 in there and everything. 250 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,120 » I agree with you. You know, just 251 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,240 let them use it as they need to be, but 252 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,400 we have a right to take it back if 253 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,240 needed. 254 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,520 >> Is that the only entrance into that 70 255 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,080 acres? 256 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,440 >> It appears. Now, that's I don't know for 257 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,640 sure, but 258 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,240 in up here there's 259 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,640 a small street 260 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,720 to the west of that property 261 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,720 that connects to the 70 acres. There 262 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,800 isn't 263 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,839 I don't I don't know know, I don't know 264 00:09:36,839 --> 00:09:39,080 that to be for sure, but it appears they 265 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,720 are. There's another way in here. 266 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,280 >> But, just to be clear, 267 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,560 for perspective, 70 acres this would be 268 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:46,400 a significant amount of land for houses 269 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,680 to be on. 270 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,240 So, you wouldn't want them to funnel 70 271 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,800 acres through one tiny little one tiny 272 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,120 side street. So, even if there were 273 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,520 additional entrances to it, I wouldn't 274 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,520 think you would ever want to 275 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,240 limit what you could develop because I 276 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,680 mean, just and just so everyone on the 277 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:02,960 board is clear, it's not the town that 278 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,840 owns that that acreage behind it. It's 279 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,240 privately owned. 280 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Um so, it'd be something that would be 281 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,440 privately developed, but we're just 282 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,680 looking at it kind of on on Google on 283 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,120 the maps here, you I would don't see any 284 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,320 advantage to us to 285 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,760 cut off access to that that property. 286 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,000 Um that the temporary, you know, 287 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,600 revocable agreement is the is about four 288 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,440 of the best solutions we would have to 289 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,640 it, which gives them the ability to 290 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,840 proceed and us the ability to if that 291 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,680 ever somebody came and wanted to build 292 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,320 houses in that area, we can, you know, 293 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,560 look at our development options for the 294 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,880 street at that point. 295 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,839 >> And to kind of add to what the mayor 296 00:10:40,839 --> 00:10:42,839 said here, 297 00:10:42,839 --> 00:10:45,320 we don't necessarily know 298 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,040 uh the areas that he was speaking of to 299 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,280 ingress and egress out of that 70 acres. 300 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,400 I mean, there could be hiccups or bumps 301 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,720 or anything that comes that does not 302 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,040 allow that, then all of a sudden you 303 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,480 have a landlocked piece of property. 304 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,720 And the landlocked piece of property 305 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,080 achieves nothing for anyone. 306 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,829 >> Correct. 307 00:11:06,839 --> 00:11:10,720 So, is our what I guess with staff and attorney recommendation be to 308 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,280 proceed with the with the irrevocable 309 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,400 agreement? 310 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,280 >> And that would be the staff 311 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,720 recommendation. 312 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,360 Because that would at this point help both parties. 313 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,720 It gives us the option to 314 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,920 remove the 315 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,680 um 316 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:27,480 approval in the future, but right now it 317 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,200 allows them to keep the property the way 318 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,040 they have it. 319 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,960 >> And is that a that's something we'll 320 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,200 just need to take a vote or we'll vote 321 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,760 on on this month's month's 322 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,640 meeting or is that will be will you be 323 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 able to proceed just based off 324 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,360 >> We'll need a vote. It'll be a discussion 325 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,640 and consideration on it. 326 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,550 >> Okay. 327 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:49,160 Any other questions on that? 328 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,400 >> Who who 329 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,920 I guess this is back from when she was 330 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,400 still alive. 331 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Who gave them permission to build or put 332 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,040 buildings on the 333 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,440 street to begin with? Is there not any 334 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,720 permits on file for that? 335 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,440 >> I would say not. And it happened prior 336 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,160 to this current owner. 337 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:09,800 So 338 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,360 >> So it could have been it could have been 339 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,880 in the past. 340 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,280 >> Well 341 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,560 >> long time. 342 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:15,160 >> My understanding 343 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 >> These owners have had it since 2022 I 344 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,640 think. 345 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,080 So 346 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,760 it was before that. 347 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,840 >> You said just a utility building or is 348 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,880 it a barn? 349 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,760 >> Just an outbuilding. 350 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,120 >> An outbuilding. 351 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,960 >> And a drive to the driveway? 352 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 >> Just a turnaround driveway. It's not the 353 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,680 actual 354 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,280 physical driveway to the house, you 355 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,640 know, but it's just a place to turn 356 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:43,590 around. 357 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,600 » All right, moving on then. 358 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,320 On number five, revisit of ordinance 359 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,839 23-518 360 00:12:48,839 --> 00:12:51,360 street parking. 361 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,360 >> So in 2023 you all passed an ordinance 362 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,950 regarding parking on the street. 363 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,720 parking allowed on the paved portion of 364 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,400 any street except in the event of 365 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 extreme inclement weather conditions. 366 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Temporary parking permits may be issued 367 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,680 at the discretion of the chief of 368 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,000 police. 369 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,360 Um 370 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,880 and that's all it said. 371 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,040 We've received some 372 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,040 requests and maybe to look at this 373 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,839 ordinance and maybe 374 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:20,680 uh rework the language, not get rid of 375 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,360 it entirely. Um 376 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,720 and so I think that it might be a good 377 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,160 time to look at that and see if there 378 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,560 might be some different language. I 379 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,600 think that the premise of the the 380 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,960 ordinance is a good idea. You you need 381 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,160 it for public safety measures, but 382 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:37,920 um 383 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,920 as we've even talked as staff, inclement 384 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,360 weather is a time when you really need 385 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,280 the streets to be clear. 386 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,280 That's kind of an interesting carve out 387 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,920 that you would want cars parked on the 388 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,800 street during inclement weather. 389 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,360 Um some ideas may be 390 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,600 you know, parties or events or things 391 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,840 that would be a time where it could be 392 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,760 allowed versus inclement weather. But 393 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,560 it's up to you all to decide exactly how 394 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:00,720 you want it or if you want to leave it 395 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,520 the same. Just bring it to you as an 396 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,200 item that we've received multiple um 397 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,400 comments and complaints about. 398 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,400 >> The inclement weather part of it came 399 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,360 from the Hammonds Estates subdivision 400 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,360 where they have a very steep steep steep 401 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,000 driveways that they cannot get down in 402 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,320 the wintertime 403 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,840 that we would give them permission park 404 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,960 on the side of the street. 405 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,200 >> Yeah, and the creeks out in the street 406 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,000 that neighbors complained about the 407 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,600 steep driveways. 408 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,800 >> So that's where that language came came 409 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,960 about. 410 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,080 >> Should we include something for 411 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,560 commercial vehicles? 412 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,120 Obviously, commercial large commercial 413 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,600 vehicles are not going to be able to go 414 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,960 up a lot of the driveways. They could 415 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 just park them on the street. 416 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,560 I mean, it's being done now with no 417 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 consequence. 418 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,480 >> Has people come in complaining about 419 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,470 people parking on the road or 420 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,480 want to 421 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,800 get permission to keep parking on the 422 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,640 road? 423 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,400 >> There's been a little bit of both. Um 424 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,080 people having trouble, you know, getting 425 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,040 in and out of driveways or other things, 426 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,160 but also, you know, um 427 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,190 I think people who 428 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 would like to park on the on the street 429 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,080 and feel like they can't because of the 430 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,040 way the ordinance is written. 431 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,360 >> So one one thing I want to add about 432 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,160 this is that it it also is one of those 433 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,680 things that 434 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,800 I cuz I I don't I don't know I was 435 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,080 definitely opposed against this when we 436 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,600 passed this in 2023 because of the way 437 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,600 it's written. It incentivizes the people 438 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,360 that are going to make a fuss and 439 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,160 complain. Incentivize might not be the 440 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,280 right word to use there, but it's 441 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,320 becomes like on my street for example, 442 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,080 you could park on my street and probably 443 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,240 nobody really know or complain or care 444 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,760 because the way it's not something that 445 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:43,840 there's a neighbor that's just 446 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,160 constantly complaining about it or 447 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,880 there's not a um 448 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,520 it's not large traffic uh coming up and 449 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,360 down there. But there's you know, the 450 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,920 argument was always used about it it 451 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,960 being a public safety. And my question 452 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,600 is is there an already TCA code that 453 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,960 says if you're 454 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,000 obstructing the roadway of public safety 455 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,960 people from going through that they can 456 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,680 cite you of uh 457 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,520 I think that's more of a TCA code that 458 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,040 could already be covering that aspect of 459 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,600 it versus a municipal ordinance. 460 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,760 >> Well, also the school bus neighbors 461 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,440 complained a lot about they couldn't get 462 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,600 their buses through some of these 463 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,600 streets because of the cars parking on 464 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,440 the side of the road. They couldn't get 465 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,520 through. Right. 466 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 >> East Ridge is is famous for that because 467 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,320 of their narrow streets. It's rough 468 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,800 getting two vehicles down, much less a 469 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,950 bus and a vehicle. 470 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,600 » And so it's not something that I think 471 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,240 if if the blanket ordinance is written 472 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,400 to cover you have with the with just 473 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,040 that blanket ordinance saying no parking 474 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,240 anywhere and there's except you know, 475 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,680 except for the the temporary situations. 476 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,120 I I still think that 477 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,520 it's um 478 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,839 it's too restrictive. 479 00:16:50,839 --> 00:16:52,920 That there are more situations that can 480 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,440 arise where you might need people 481 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,800 parking on on on the side of the road 482 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,160 responsibly obviously, but also that the 483 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,080 way it's written it it 484 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,079 gives the complainer a tool to try to 485 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:08,199 use government in their 486 00:17:08,199 --> 00:17:09,839 complaint and I'm not a huge fan of 487 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,680 that. So, it's a um it needs to be 488 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,280 something that we revisit and look at a 489 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,760 way to 490 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,439 make it where we're still you know, the roads are still able to be traveled, 491 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:23,040 but also not just overbearing for the 492 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,350 sake of being overbearing. 493 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:30,750 My thoughts on it. 494 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 » Are there areas that you want to see 495 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,160 carve-outs, exceptions for that I can 496 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,040 draft into an ordinance for your 497 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,080 consideration? 498 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Besides commercial I've heard commercial 499 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,990 vehicles. 500 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,800 » The The idea of a permit from the police 501 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,600 chief to me is a total waste of 502 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,400 everybody's time. 503 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,640 That Again, I didn't vote in favor of 504 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,040 this ordinance when we when we passed it 505 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,720 and I don't still agree with that aspect 506 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,560 of it. It's a waste of 507 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,080 time for everybody. 508 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,720 Nobody And it's hard to even get that 509 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,880 information out to the general public to 510 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,080 know that they would even have to do 511 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,000 that. 512 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Um so, I would I would 100% strike that 513 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,040 language from it. 514 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,360 Uh 515 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,520 is there anything that's enforceable 516 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,160 under two under the current TCA that's 517 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,320 obstruction of roadways and 518 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,760 >> None of the roads are that big here. I I don't mind the policy as is. It just if we're in an 519 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,040 issue permits it should probably come 520 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,280 from here 521 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,520 instead of from us. And then right now 522 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,200 they just call me. 523 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,200 I let everybody know, but the roads None 524 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,280 of our roads are 525 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,280 big. 526 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,840 So, I mean it causes a problem anytime 527 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,320 there's cars parked on the street. 528 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,880 I mean we don't get that many calls for 529 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,120 it really, but when we do, we have to go 530 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,990 and knock on their door. 531 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,280 » Do you ever give Do you ever give them a 532 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,200 room in their driveway? Do you ever give 533 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,960 tickets out when you see cars parked on 534 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,070 the side of the street? 535 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,560 » I think since I've been here they 536 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,200 cooperated. We've gone out there and 537 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,280 knocked on their door and they'll move 538 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,840 it into their driveway. 539 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,120 Most of the time they're parked on the 540 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,560 street when there's not a reason to even 541 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:12,190 park on the street. 542 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,720 I mean I just had like if someone has 543 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,440 like I just got a call yesterday they're 544 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,720 having family in town over the weekend. 545 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,120 So, they gave us a heads up that they 546 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,400 may have a couple cars on the street. 547 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,880 So, I just advise all the officers, you 548 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,040 know, if we get calls out there 549 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,520 you know, we'll discuss it to whoever 550 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,080 the complaint is and advise them that 551 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,240 it's temporary. 552 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,080 >> And the statute that you were referring 553 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,440 to, it does put it at the officer's 554 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,440 discretion and that is the portion of 555 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,800 ticketing and it's to ask them to move 556 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,120 the cars to a required place. 557 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,280 >> You're making reference to the TCA 558 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,000 statute? 559 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,120 >> Yeah, that is uh TCA 39-17-307. 560 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:54,270 >> Okay, I'm looking at 39-17-18-12. 561 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,160 Uh 562 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,080 I know 563 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,680 mostly it's because complaints is in the 564 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,240 mornings and afternoons with the bus 565 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:00,920 routes. 566 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,520 >> What's the 567 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,040 >> Yeah, the buses I've talked to the bus 568 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,960 drivers in the past and then one of the 569 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,520 other big issues is when they park in 570 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,160 the street cuz again that all these 571 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,120 streets are small. 572 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:09,680 >> Yeah. 573 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,600 >> So, it can get in the way when people on 574 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,800 the other side of the road are trying to 575 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:29,630 back out or pull out of their driveway. 576 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,760 » Let's um 577 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,120 So, as far as how we want to proceed 578 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,240 with with this 579 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,720 I still would like to see that kind of 580 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,160 up the language updated in some sense. 581 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,720 If you want to take a look at how we 582 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,920 could work on clearing the language up 583 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,920 in regards of getting the permit uh 584 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,800 even if there would be a way to 585 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,480 incorporate that online to the website 586 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,800 where somebody could go in and fill fill 587 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,720 out a form online that just goes 588 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,520 straight to the police department let 589 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,200 them know 590 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,520 I imagine that 591 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,880 uh you know, just something like that of 592 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,960 make if we're going to keep that process 593 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760 which I still 594 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,360 that's a a lot of hours of manpower for 595 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:12,790 little return in my opinion. But 596 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Let's I still let's look at cleaning the 597 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,480 language up at least to and then 598 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,120 figure out how we can drive awareness to 599 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,350 that a little bit more. 600 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:23,640 » Wouldn't you 601 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,480 If you give somebody permission to park 602 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,520 a wouldn't you still have to make sure 603 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,800 our bus still be able to get through 604 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,360 there? 605 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:30,880 >> That's 606 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,640 >> Yeah, we usually 607 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,240 invite them to the pole office park. 608 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,040 >> I mean he gives them permission and then 609 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,400 a bus can buy and they can't get 610 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,280 through. 611 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,400 >> But that's that's I mean we're you're 612 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,680 never going to be able to legislate 613 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440 common sense. 614 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,680 I mean just 615 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,640 I'm sorry but you're not going to be 616 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,960 able to legislate common sense. 617 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,520 >> There's not that much 618 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,880 >> If you're If you're the the idea of 619 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,320 parking on the roadway is not that 620 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,040 you're parked dead center in the middle 621 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320 of the right or left hand lane. 622 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,080 You know, it's that you're 623 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,920 two tires are probably in in the grass, 624 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,400 two tires are probably in the road. 625 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:01,840 >> Mhm. 626 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,480 >> Right? Um and to me that's where I'm 627 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,960 like this is this is becoming Is this 628 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,280 the best use of our officer's time? 629 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,920 First first and foremost. Yeah, and 630 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,840 that's where I'm starting to go from 631 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,160 there. 632 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,560 >> I guess the biggest thing is how how 633 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,800 close do you park to the curb I guess to 634 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,680 give a bus going around. 635 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,200 >> And and that's where the idea of having 636 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,800 an officer out there with a ruler to 637 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,200 measure how close somebody is to the 638 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,560 side of the road is just like you know, 639 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,400 it's just it's pretty you know, it's crazy. 640 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080 And I guess we don't have big roads but 641 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,760 there's some of the some of it is just 642 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,320 becomes a if it becomes an a individual 643 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,520 a particular individual issue or is 644 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,160 there not tools in place that you can 645 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,640 address the particular issue versus 646 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,160 having to have such a blanket policy? 647 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040 >> Unless you do that you can't park 15 648 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,920 foot to a curb. That way you know you 649 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,240 gave yourself a route for a bus to go through. 650 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,600 >> Those streets out there are seven I 651 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,480 think they're 17 foot wide aren't they 652 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Jason? 653 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320 >> Some of them are 12 Some of them are 12. 654 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,360 14, some 25. You never know. 655 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,360 >> I think anybody can park a car out there 656 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,000 and you still take a school bus by it or 657 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,800 a fire truck if you need to, but you 658 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,760 know 659 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,800 Yeah, I'm going to people are going to 660 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,360 park their cars occasionally whether 661 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,480 they 662 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,640 want to or not. 663 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,680 >> In in your newer subdivisions, yes. 664 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,360 >> Go to the one that was 665 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,480 >> Your your roads are a lot wider. 666 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280 Now, if you go in the older subdivisions 667 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,760 like 668 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,990 West side of the park, it's civil 669 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,680 Those streets are so small, you can't 670 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,800 even get hardly two vehicles, regular 671 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520 vehicles 672 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,680 side by side with one another. 673 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,080 >> Only older neighborhoods. 674 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,960 yes. And 675 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,400 that's where the buses is having the 676 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,920 most issues is in the older 677 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,360 neighborhoods, not so much as the newer 678 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:45,160 neighborhoods. 679 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,680 >> So, the the attorney has already read 680 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,360 some of the TCA statute, can you 681 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,760 elaborate on that? 682 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,520 >> Yeah, part of my concern as we talked 683 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 this through and I listened to you guys 684 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,760 uh voice your concerns, uh 685 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,120 a portion of this I'm looking at the 686 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,000 criminal statute now and uh 687 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,560 the town could be exposed to some civil 688 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,600 liability if emergency services weren't 689 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360 able to respond to a health fire, to an 690 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,200 emergency. 691 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,080 So, that exposure is something to 692 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,280 consider. 693 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,680 >> The town would be responsible for the 694 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,240 civil liability or the person blocking 695 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,280 the road? 696 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,000 >> It looks like it could come back on the 697 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,240 town. I would need to do a little bit 698 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,120 more research. This is just me 699 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,320 >> Just kind of shooting from the hip, 700 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,320 yeah. 701 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,440 So, what's before we 702 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,800 take any action on that because I was 703 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,360 under the impression through what I've 704 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,120 researched I thought that an individual 705 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,000 can be civilly liable if they did 706 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,400 something to prevent a emergency vehicle 707 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,240 from and it might be both actually at 708 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,120 the end of the day, too. 709 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,240 >> It is criminal 710 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,200 a criminal charge. 711 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,360 >> Criminal charge, okay. 712 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,360 Yeah. Let's let's kick that to the attorney 713 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,880 and to Tyler to work on what the wording 714 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,800 needs to look like to to 715 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,320 make it as um 716 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,800 to cover the what the the liability 717 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080 first and foremost, but also um 718 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,000 you I said we're not going to be able to 719 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,280 legislate common sense, but I think a 720 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,400 lot of this just breaks down to having 721 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,240 common sense of getting your car as far 722 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,480 off the road as you can. 723 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,000 >> Yep. 724 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800 >> Just plain simple. Um but yeah, we'll I I'll 725 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,360 So, let's let's proceed with going that 726 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,000 route and letting them review that and 727 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 action it once that's ready. 728 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,880 >> We'll probably bring that back to you at 729 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840 the September workshop. 730 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,160 >> Okay. 731 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,240 >> Not put anything on this 732 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,560 >> No, not on the I don't I don't I 733 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,720 wouldn't think it would be approved 734 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,750 ready for this about this month, so. 735 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Any more questions on that? 736 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,880 Want to take item number six then, 737 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,240 interlocal agreements with fire 738 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920 departments. 739 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,160 Mitch, do you want to tell them what 740 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,800 you're working with? 741 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,160 >> Um Mitch brought me a couple couple of 742 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 interlocal agreements that he would like 743 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680 to see us entertain. 744 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,560 And I'll let him talk about those if he 745 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,480 wants to. 746 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,440 >> There's two uh interlocal agreements. 747 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,800 The first 748 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,120 is with the 749 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,200 Tennessee where our department of public 750 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,800 safety sits in Tennessee Homeland 751 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,040 Security District one. 752 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,120 Um 753 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,360 So, this would be the the actual 754 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,600 interlocal agreement would be with 755 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Sullivan County and Sullivan County EMA 756 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,680 that emergency management, that's who 757 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,280 heads this up. 758 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Um but this would If we enter in this 759 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,840 agreement, we'll allow our guys to go a 760 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,000 lot more training, um 761 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,760 especially specifically technical 762 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,840 rescue, swift water, 763 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,160 uh urban search and rescue, just 764 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,600 participate with the district. 765 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Uh 766 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,000 team trainings that go on on a regular 767 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,600 basis now. 768 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Uh I was a part of that when I worked uh 769 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,480 in Johnson City and it's it would be a 770 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,080 huge asset for us to be able to send 771 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,480 people to that, participate in that. 772 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,520 Um 773 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,840 we just have to have that interlocal 774 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,120 signed with them. Um 775 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,520 the guys have to be when they're 776 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,720 participating as part of the Tennessee District one 777 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,720 Homeland Security District, they have to 778 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,560 uh they have to be covered under their 779 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,040 home department's workers comp. They 780 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,400 can't just bring their own plans and go 781 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,920 up there, by school. 782 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Um the second is with the city church 783 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,720 hill. 784 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Uh they've got it on their BMA agenda as 785 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,640 well. 786 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Um this would be to formalize pretty 787 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,120 much what we do now. Uh it would be for 788 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,760 automatic aid 789 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,840 to 790 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,480 or Mount Pleasant respond Churchill 791 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,920 automatic aid and vice versa 792 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,400 automatically on structure fires. 793 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,680 Um we do that now more or less. It's 794 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,320 just it's a little bit of a delay. We 795 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,840 have to request them, they have to 796 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320 request us. This just takes that two to 797 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,000 three minute delay out of the mix. 798 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,080 Um 799 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,520 I've spoke with fire chief and the 800 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,120 public safety director there. They've 801 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,480 talked uh to Mayor Deal. 802 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Uh it's it's on their BMA agenda as 803 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,360 well. Uh but they don't foresee any 804 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:42,350 issues with it being passed there. 805 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:50,750 » Questions on that? 806 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,080 We're ready to move that forward and 807 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,840 then 808 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,110 on to the meeting. 809 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,880 I think it's item number seven for an 810 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,920 update of rules of order. 811 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,120 And Tyler, you want to go with that? 812 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,040 >> Sure. 813 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,360 So, 814 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,480 we had 815 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,640 some 816 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,040 pretty um 817 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,800 back and forth discussion back in April 818 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,920 and May about moving the meeting and 819 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,360 rescheduling a meeting and when that 820 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,720 motion was brought up and and everything 821 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,480 and I think we talked about, you know, 822 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,120 making sure that we follow our rules 823 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,760 that we set forth and and all those 824 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,880 things so that we have orderly meetings 825 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040 and motions not made out of order. 826 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000 So, I think one way to do that is to 827 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,760 adopt our agendas at the beginning of 828 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,720 each meeting. That's pretty standard 829 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,040 procedure. We just don't do it 830 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,360 currently. Um I've done some research on 831 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,280 Robert's Rules and think that it's 832 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,680 important for us to add that in. So, 833 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,280 we'll look at updating our whole order 834 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200 of business to include adoption of the 835 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,600 agenda. 836 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520 So that at that point in time it takes a 837 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,920 simple majority to adopt the agenda. If 838 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280 anybody wants to add anything, which 839 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,320 that runs into open meetings, um 840 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,280 it requires a 2/3 majority to to add add 841 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,880 something to a meeting. 842 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,120 Um 843 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000 that that also opens you up to further 844 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,440 potential 845 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360 uh litigation if you were to try to walk 846 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,040 something onto a meeting that was not 847 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,160 publicly noticed. 848 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680 But really it gives you an opportunity 849 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 to to confirm the business that that's 850 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,280 set before you for the meeting, and I 851 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,880 think it'll just be a routine thing we 852 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,760 need to add. So we're going to look at 853 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,840 updating that. Also give a space for us 854 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,040 to do employee recognition or or any 855 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,760 type of visitor recognition right at the 856 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,360 beginning of the meeting. 857 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120 Uh so that we we follow what we said 858 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,390 we're going to do. 859 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,520 More of a housekeeping item. 860 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,560 >> Questions on that. So basically this is 861 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600 if you're trying to add a topic at a 862 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,280 meeting. 863 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,760 >> Right. 864 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920 >> Not something that was previously 865 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,880 requested to be said. Okay. 866 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,600 >> And it's the And just to be human, to 867 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,520 also the business meeting, the workshop 868 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160 would be available from if you wanted to 869 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,280 add something at the beginning of the 870 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,200 meeting, you'd be able to add it at the 871 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,080 beginning of the meeting. It's not We're 872 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440 not actually taking action on that. 873 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Uh this this would just be your business 874 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,200 meeting where you could have a true 875 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,320 actionable item gets added night of 876 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,560 meeting. 877 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,520 >> Okay, thank you. 878 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,800 >> That is very That in itself is very 879 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,600 limited in what you're allowed to do. 880 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720 What I'm trying to get to it would be 881 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,080 something minor. 882 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,600 >> Right. 883 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,560 >> Not a substantial issue. 884 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,880 >> Right. 885 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,400 >> If you do that, you could be open to 886 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,160 litigation. 887 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,120 >> Okay. Okay. 888 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Thank you for the clarification. 889 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,520 >> Any questions on Any other questions on 890 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,880 that housekeeping item? 891 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Before we close out, I just want to 892 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,120 thank the 893 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,240 departments that are here. Uh I think 894 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,120 it's majority of everybody for 895 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,320 coming out Saturday and putting on uh 896 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,560 Touch-a-Truck and Back to School event. 897 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,120 Have received nothing but positive 898 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480 feedback about it from uh uh 899 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,320 to the guys and you make sure you pass 900 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000 that along down to the guys that were 901 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,320 here because the uh 902 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,920 the getting to kind of just even be out 903 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,280 there and observe it, too. I mean, I 904 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,960 think everybody did a great job of of 905 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,560 representing the town, representing your 906 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,400 departments, and everybody should be 907 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,040 commended for that. I think we will have 908 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,120 learned some things that we'll do a 909 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,520 little differently next time. Hopefully, 910 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,960 there won't be a monsoon happening a few 911 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,760 hours beforehand. 912 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,720 Um but considering all things considered 913 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,560 with it, we got a great turnout, great 914 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,080 participation, and and wonderful 915 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000 feedback. So, thank you all for your 916 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,040 great work on that. 917 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,880 >> Let me 918 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240 add to that. I represented Colonel 919 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Lawson's retirement 920 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,000 function for uh Sheriff Lawson. 921 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,630 And uh 922 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,600 amazingly, he he almost burst into tears 923 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,240 at one point. He's been in law 924 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,040 enforcement 49 years, 16 as a sheriff. 925 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,800 >> Wow. 926 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,200 >> And uh 927 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,440 August 28th, I think, is his last day. 928 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840 It was really kind of funny. The uh 929 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480 sheriff's office bought him a rifle, all 930 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,600 tricked out, $4,000 rifle. And as he 931 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,680 opened it, pulled it out, he said, 932 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,880 "Look, my first gun." 933 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Anyway, it was a good function and uh 934 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,480 >> Thank you for going down there on behalf 935 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,480 of the county. We appreciate that. 936 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,560 Anybody else? 937 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,520 We'll see you next week.