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Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the August 28, Monday City Council special meeting. If

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we could please rise for a moment of silence and the pledge. Mr. Bryant.

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I'm going off topic for one quick second we didn't add fun fact to the agenda and that's

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my fault because I didn't have a fun fact but our interim or acting city manager just

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gave me one. So tonight's fun fact is the meaning of Idalia in light of what's

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coming towards us. It is Italian in origin and it means behold the sun.

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That's

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my bit for you. The sun.

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Is there a public comment? Anybody wish to make a

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comment on something not on tonight's special agenda? Not seeing any. We'll

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start with action items. The first one is council direction related to the

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Lindsay Green investigation, Ms. Uppin.

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Yes, so I've contacted each one of you

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and given you the background on what Ms. Green has asked.

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So when we have this discussion,

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I would ask that you not use names

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to the extent that you know them

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or that you not use any specific information.

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But basically what has occurred

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is there was a claim that was submitted to the city.

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It was started, the investigation had been started by the HR director,

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and then when the direction was given to no longer perform any investigations, the investigation had stopped.

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The particular investigation has come up on multiple occasions during interviews that are being conducted by Miss Green,

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and she has asked whether you all want her to expand the scope of the investigation to include the outstanding and claim that had come in prior to the existing whistleblower claim.

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And if so, how you would like the report to be handled with respect to both investigations.

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When I spoke to each one of you, a lot of you had really great ideas, but they were kind

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of all over the place, so I thought it was probably more appropriate for you to discuss

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it amongst yourself and give me the direction to be able to give back to her with respect

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to this additional claim.

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Go ahead, Ms. Reinhardt.

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Well, I think probably what I'll be doing is just somewhat repeating what we visited

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about. And that is we retained, is Ms. Green here? No, I do not believe so. Oh, okay. That's,

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I just assumed she was going to be here and be presenting a report. But at any rate,

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we retained Ms. Green's services so that she could move ahead with the whistleblower

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complaint that had been received and my understanding is I have not visited with

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her I don't have any preliminary reports or actually no information at all but

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and that's why I thought we were going to be receiving something this evening

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but that's that's that's my misunderstanding but we return we

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retained her to do an investigation she has moved ahead with that

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investigation. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of that investigation.

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And so I'm not terribly anxious about the idea of expanding that investigation

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with a lot of tentacles, and I mean potentially a lot of tentacles. It could

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go in other directions. I could see that happening. I would like to see the

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results of this investigation first and then we make a decision. Do we want to

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move ahead with expanding the investigation at that time.

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And I know we had hoped that Ms. Green would be retaining

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the results of investing.

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She would be returning the results of investigation post

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haste, and that's like I say, I thought we'd be receiving

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that this evening.

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But if not, I would hope that we'd be receiving that in

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the very, very near future at the next meeting.

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And that then we can make a decision as to whether or

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we want to expand that investigation, but I would like to know the results of the

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initial investigation first. I can speak to that. She did say that she initially

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thought that the investigation would just be including three or four people and

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because during the investigation additional names were given, the

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investigation has been expanded to include additional individuals that she

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not originally contemplate.

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So I think that that's probably the length of time

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that has added to it.

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And she had actually asked me to deliver that to you all

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as well.

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So as far as a final report, I don't

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believe she's ready at this point

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because she didn't want to schedule interviews

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and then have to call individuals back

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if you wanted her to do both simultaneously

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because they do involve where both matters, the matter had come up multiple times,

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so she didn't want to run the risk of calling someone having that interview now

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and then you all saying, yes, I want you to go forward,

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and so then her having to call that person back to talk about this other investigation.

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So I think her investigation has been a little bit on hold,

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maybe the last three or four days not including the weekend because of her

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waiting to know where where you all wanted her to go with this this evening.

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I also do real quick have Mr. Cattaldo emailed me and asked that I provide

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information about his thoughts. I don't know when you all want those if you

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want that now or after you all speak. Let's go for it now. Okay. So he has

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indicated that because Ms. Green is receiving data from individuals pertaining to the other

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investigation while doing this investigation, he does not have a problem with her collecting

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information on both of those, but he would prefer that if the findings are, if she has

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findings on both, that they be recorded into separate reports and to separate billing

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statements.

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That seems to square with what I was going to say.

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I think the reasons for expanding it beyond the whistleblower complaint seem both logical

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and clear, not only that, necessary.

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Leaving it up and leaving then non-whistleblower matters up in the air would kind of be as

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harmful to the city as well as to this council as ever everyone should want it

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cleared up including Patrick especially should want to know what those issues are

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right now they're out there looming kind of dancing around based upon

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opinions of one person or another and it's kind of festering and hanging out

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there I think that's unfair to the city and it's unfair to the council and

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was unfair to those that have expanded or complained or expressed concerns. The positions

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taken by the public that have reached my desk are, they vary one way or another, and to

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avoid vague speculation as to the truthfulness of all of those allegations. It seems to

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me really silly to leave that out there, do one, then come back and say, well, let's

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decide whether we want to do another or not.

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It's an independent investigation.

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Everybody here, as I remember when the Vice Mayor recommended Ms. Green, everybody that

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had a comment expressed it as positive, as I recall I certainly did, as being an

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an investigation that would have integrity because of her background and doing this for

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the city in the past.

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And she certainly is a neutral party.

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The cost of continuing it, I have no problem with separating the costs, and I have no

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problem with separating the reports.

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reports, I believe it would be silly to put it, bluntly, to stop it when it is so intertwined

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with some of the other things that have heard, seems to me, including the HR department that

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has expressed issues beyond that one issue, seems to me I can understand Ms. Green wanting

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to cover, assuming she wants to cover both at the same time.

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So I would support doing that, urging her to continue the investigation on the other

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matter as well.

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Mr. Krill.

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When I was asked to contact the

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other attorney who led us to Miss Green, it was, I was

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told and I agreed to frame this as a one-off investigation that this would not

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be one thing lead to another and so on and so forth. Now so that's how I couched

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it. My preference would be I'm also anxious to hear the results of the

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investigation that's been going on for three or four weeks now my my thoughts

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are that it would not be silly it would be the correct thing to do to wrap up

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one investigation give us a report and then if council is amenable and wants

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to go on with a second investigation on this other matter that's fine I'm not

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arguing one way or the other on that but she's been tasked with you know all do

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haste to get this first investigation taken care of and I think that's what

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we ought to do and then if we need to do the other one we can consider that

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separately. Thank you. Mr. Dawson. Yeah I would agree with that also I would say

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let's focus on the one investigation first let's get that one done and then

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if we need to do the second investigation, let's do that.

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My comments when Sherry called were just sort of similar to say that I think the priority

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was to handle the whistleblower investigation.

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But if simultaneously while she was interviewing one employee, if they had comments that related

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to the other complaint or claim, that those questions should be answered because remember

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I don't know the complete, the other claim, the details of the other claim, but remember

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we have an employee out there who has filed a claim and I imagine it's a sensitive issue

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and it's been put on the back burner because of, you know, unforeseen circumstances.

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So just, I would, you know, also kind of keep that in mind that somebody's sitting

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out there with potentially and assumably a very valid claim against someone within

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the city within City Hall. I don't know what the claim is, but someone's not happy at work

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right now is what I'm trying to say. I would imagine. So I would be okay with her doing

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them simultaneously so long as within the process the whistleblower complaint isn't

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put on pause to interview somebody specifically and solely about the other complaint.

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If

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Mr. Walker, if you don't have any.

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I'll just make a quick comment.

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Sure.

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Not really a comment to question.

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Do we have a time frame and how wide, somebody said tentacles or something, but how wide can

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this go?

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And I guess with that, how long can it go on?

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So the length of time has driven by, so far, has been driven by the one whistleblower

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claim. Now the request for permission to expand it was at the request of Ms. Green

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because of this other claim that keeps coming up. So if that claim is not made

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part of it then I think she finishes with the whistleblower and she issues

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to report. And so whether that's a matter of two weeks or one week, I don't know the

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time frame on that because I don't know how many more people she has just for this one

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whistleblower claim. I haven't asked that information. Now, as far as how much wider

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this can go. If she had something else that came up, I would imagine she would do the

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same thing she did here and ask permission, not just do it. So I think everything that

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she has done up until this point is strictly related to the whistleblower, but because

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because the other claim had been.

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Had come up more than one time is why she reached out and asked permission on whether the scope expansion was something you all wanted or something you all didn't want.

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She just needed direction and it wasn't direction that I could give.

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Would you say that she is requesting to have this expanded or doesn't?

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She did not. She did not say, I want to do this. She said, may I do this?

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Do you want me to do this? She was not advocating one way or the other

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But if she asked me I do it she saw a need she

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knows that the the claim exists and

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I don't know how she knows the claim exists if it was brought up

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How it it came up or whom brought it up in their

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interviews but I know it came up in these interviews specifically and she did

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not say to me that there was another complaint or something that came out of

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this. She specifically said this claim had been made prior to this particular

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whistleblower claim that I'm investigating and it has come up in my

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investigation of the whistleblower claim. And for clarification what you read

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from Mr. Councilmember Cattado that was just a statement he's not voted in

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abstentia. He cannot vote in abstentia he just wanted to be able to let you know

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what he felt about the issue. Can you say in you know I'd say an exact date

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maybe just months or weeks when the other claim was filed the other claim

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that's been brought up and is now potentially simultaneously investigated. I mean is it six

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months old? Is it six weeks old? No I believe it was possibly a month or so maybe a little longer

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prior to the whistleblower claim maybe a little less because it had and the reason that I'm giving

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you that time frame is because the claim was made the investigation had started on the claim

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by the HR department and then when the directive came in not to do any further investigations

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of any type, the investigation stopped.

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There was a period of time I think that it had been stopped and then the whistleblower

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claim was filed.

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So the claim isn't necessarily against the city manager, it was just that the investigation

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stopped because HR was directed not to continue investigations, can you say that?

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I know why it stopped, that it was because of the directive.

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I think we're kind of split, so yeah, Mr. Bryant.

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Just a question here, and that is, the second complaint, it's been some period of time now.

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I gather since it was filed.

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filed. I'm not sure I knew there was an actual complaint that was filed with the city. Not

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that something couldn't have slipped my mind. That often happens. But going back several

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months, there's a formal written complaint filed on this matter. I mean, I think all

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of us have heard bits and pieces, discussions here and there and that sort of thing. Whereas

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Because the whistleblower complaint, we did receive a file, HR, that sort of thing.

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With this other complaint though, and like I said, I didn't even know it had the status

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of a complaint, I would like for one, maybe to receive a copy of that, I'm not ready

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to necessarily direct Ms. Green to move ahead today, but we were able to do that with

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the whistleblower complaint and judging by your body language, there's a problem.

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So the whistleblower complaint was sent directly to you all.

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The other claim, once an investigation starts, it is exempt from public records until the

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investigation is complete.

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Technically the investigation started when it was started by HR.

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It was stopped by the city manager, but it had been initiated.

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So I don't know that I feel comfortable turning the claim over to you.

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Now, I have given you some summary of what it is that I know,

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because I don't know a lot.

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I've only been told a summary of what it is as well.

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I have not seen it.

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We don't see every claim anyway, right?

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We do not.

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I think there are many claims that are made to HR that we don't ever see just because

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it's operation.

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That is correct.

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No, but they don't rise to this level either.

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Well, we're all certainly aware over the last months of some of the issues that the

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HR department has been involved in, so it goes beyond the whistleblower complaint.

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And the only reason I am being a little cryptic with you all, especially here,

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is to protect the individual who has made the claim, and that's what you're supposed

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to do when the investigation starts.

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You need to try to protect the individual who has made the claim, so I can certainly

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talk to you about, again, what I do know, but, again, what I know is very limited as

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well.

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Vice Mayor Krill.

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I think this is a matter that should be discussed at a regular city council meeting.

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So I'm going to suggest, and I don't know when we're going to get to report on the whistleblower

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claim, but let's hope it's within the next week, and even if it's not, at a regularly

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scheduled meeting with better or not better with prior that it's been on an

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agenda and the public knows that I'd like to I feel pretty strongly that we

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ought to wait a week or two and hopefully we'll have the one mapped up

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and maybe that will suffice and maybe it won't.

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In that case, is everyone in favor of Lindsey Green moving forward

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with just the whistleblower complaint?

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Not focused at all on the other complaint at this time.

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You've heard me express my view.

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I think we should not waste her time or any further time.

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I don't have any problem with having the whistleblower

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complaint report first.

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I think I'm parroting what you're saying, Amir.

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But I think it should be.

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It's unfair to everybody to let that languish unless we want to debate it again after the

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whistleblower complaint and go through the same thing again.

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Consensus to move forward with just the investigation of the whistleblower?

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Well, there's a motion.

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You all can make a motion because I'm asking for directions.

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Oh, you want a full-on?

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If you will let me know how you want to move forward, then that will enable me

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to tell her if it's that you want her to just focus on the current whistleblower

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and that the other claim will be handled at a separate time. That's completely

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fine. I want to give her clear direction though because I need her to be

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since you all are expecting a report as quickly as possible on this whistle

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I need her to be able to start back with her interviews regardless of what she's going to be doing,

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and she'll need to be given that clear direction.

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I'll make a motion.

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Sorry, can I just say one more thing really quickly?

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I also want to be clear, if you all have read your email today late last night,

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we got an email from Patrick regarding, I guess, what could be considered an additional claim.

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I just want to be clear that that's not the claim we're talking about, the additional claim

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we're talking about, the personal devices thing, is not the other claim that's, I'm

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just thinking in my head about.

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No, this is a written complaint that came in prior to the whistleblower claim.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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Vice Mayor Krell.

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I'd like to make a motion to instruct Attorney Green to complete as soon as

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possible her investigation on the whistleblower claim and once that's done

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have a discussion with City Council as to whether or not to task her with a

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second investigation on this.

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Second. That's clear as mud, huh?

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No. Mr. Dawson seconds.

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Genie. Oh, sorry, do we need a public input?

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Yeah, you do. Anyone from the public wish to make a comment?

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Madam Mayor, honorable council members, I think the motion that's been made makes

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good sense. You started a process, see it through.

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And based on what that report tells you, what the investigation tells you, you will be better informed to take next best steps.

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I can also tell you that I have first-hand experience that sometimes what Ms. Sutton thinks she knows is not necessarily the facts.

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Thank you very much.

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Anyone else wish to make an unrelated or related comment?

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Not seeing any?

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Yes.

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Councilmember Dawson?

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Yes.

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Councilmember Rolfson?

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No.

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Councilmember Walker?

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Yes.

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Councilmember Bryant?

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Yes.

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Mayor Steyl?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Request approval of the pre-annexation agreement.

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Vince.

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Or Ms. Sutfin, do you need, is there something to read?

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Vince?

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No.

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Good evening.

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City Manager, Mr. Kaminsky had a family.

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member and I drew this short straw and great opportunity to be acting city

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manager through the deliberations of tonight and we do have a pending

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tropical storm and maybe at the end of the meeting Mr. Langley can have a

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little discussion on that but the item in front of you is piggybacked with a

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couple more public hearing items ordinances and this is the first

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precursor it's a pre-annexation we've done this before on some properties

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that are in the county. You're familiar with this particular property. It's had

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numerous discussions in the past. As a matter of fact, we've wrapped up on August

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8th a discussion going over a draft agreement looking at the provisions of

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the pre-annexation ranging from utility, the annexation clauses. We looked

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through the capacity issues, the development standards, and so forth. Just

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to bring everybody up to date again this is the Mount Orgro's property located

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north and south side of US Highway 441 it's over 220 acres in sight part of

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that includes the Loch Levin on the north side there's a water body it's in

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the middle of our city really at this point it's a between Donley Limit 441

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and there's a project that was approved with the plan unit development

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in the county and that has approved its zoning and this agreement ratifies those provisions

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and we move forward with an annexation.

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The reason this is a little more voluminous than a couple we've seen is because uniqueness

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of the property, there's two sides to it, there's two different plan unit developments.

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We did include the entire packet I think twice in here to some of the drawings when

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I received them, they were blurry so I included more master plans but they're all adopted

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by the county, but this effort to show transparency of the previous PUD, which was important.

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So it did seem like a voluminous packet, but the agreement is included.

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We worked after the August 8th, as we kind of hinted this would go back a couple times

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with staff, and then the city attorney, myself and the public works, a lot of this dealt

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with some of the infrastructure needs in the future.

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So we worked those out in that agreement.

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It did take a couple versions, and it was very amenable type of discussions.

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We did have a Zoom meeting to ratify everything, so it did come a little close to the end,

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and we were finding the agreement is fine.

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We went through the provisions.

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There's no issues from staff level.

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We've marched through all the various components.

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I think this will get us where we need to be for the annexation of the north and

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south side and move forward the developments occurring the city should

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take advantage of this from a standpoint of there's impact fees there's future

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property tax the citizens they'll be part of our town so we want to you know

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we need to embrace these as part of our community and and that's a wonderful

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thing in the heart of our town so we've seen the development plan we've

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kind of workshopped this is what it what it is and there are some

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commercial components on 440 on the south side, so it has some mixed use items to it.

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There's no changes from what we have from staff and the stuff in as well.

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We recommend approval of the annexation agreement, and then we can move forward with the two

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ordinances for annexation, if so be it.

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I can go through the details, but we did summarize some of the concerns and talking

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points in the memo, and we resolved all those issues have been for our best of

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our knowledge, we believe this is appropriate for continuing on.

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That concludes City Manager's report and the Planning Director as well.

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I am pleased with our acting city manager's report. I am pleased that we have come to this

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point for the benefit of those sitting here listening to us live or on television, on video.

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I'm pleased that the tens of thousands of unseen unknown people that never show

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up will benefit as citizens of our city. I am pleased that we have come to this

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point albeit it has taken an inordinate amount of time for various

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reasons and I fully support the recommended agreement and the motions

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and it will go along with that. The as we've talked about was at the last

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council meeting all of the what tens of millions of dollars of tax benefit to

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the city the tens of millions of whatever potential tax increment financing

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available to the Murthy CRA that is a CRA built for the absolute purpose of benefiting from these

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TIF dollars. And then the impact fees that will help fund the additional cost to this city for

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the development. We may have to do some other things as we have water issues and wastewater

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issues and they will go along with that. We talked about that last time. So I think it's

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it's a great will be a great addition to the city both north and south and I

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support it without qualification based upon your recommendation.

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Mr. Wright?

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I

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think that probably most of us have some reservations about the pre-annexation

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agreement. We all know the the history of how this came about and would we have

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rather had this come a different route through the city of course we would

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but the route went through the county and you know so we we we were putting a

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lot of faith into the negotiations the regulations have been put in place the

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approvals that have happened with the county up to this point I think maybe

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the underlying you know I when I was looking at this I came here thinking

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thinking, we might be talking about a cart path or something, but I'm not going to even

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bring that up at this point in time.

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What I'm, I guess, more concerned with, and part of this came about, some or all of you

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may have received a phone call from a resident here in the city, and it's, I don't know,

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maybe I buy into it, maybe I don't, but I went back and looked at the agreement.

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we want to know that this property is going to be annexed.

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I mean, that's the bottom line right now.

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We may not like some of the terms,

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but we want to know that this property is going to move ahead

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and be annexed into the city.

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We're going to be providing utilities,

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and then it's up to us, the city,

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to expand, for instance, the Northeast CRA,

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those sorts of other provisions.

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But, you know, I went back and looked at some of the terms and in the, well, this is in the discussion actually, Vince, by our acting city manager.

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It does say this action will trigger the annexation process.

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And then you get into the annexation agreement itself.

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It says, and I'm just quoting some phrases here, final annexation adoption timeframes.

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frames, final annexation adoption time frames, final annexation triggering dates, understanding

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an agreement related to annexation of the property.

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But then you get down to this provision 2E, as has been pointed out, where it says it

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may be annexed, and that's up to the developer.

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I don't know if I'm asking a question or just any thoughts.

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I think what we want as council, we would just like, you know, as much assurance as

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we can get that that annexation is actually going to take place.

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Council Member Bryant, because this is a pre-annexation agreement, it doesn't have

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and necessary to say anything about annexation at all, technically.

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But the assurances with the developers that we're going to proceed with the annexations

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on the next agenda items from the first reading, and those are separate.

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They only actually we could take as an annexation ordinance.

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They filed the applications for those, and the property owner, the Simpsons, and the

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other owners have committed and fund signatures for the annexation.

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So because of the procedure, this agreement outlines that, which is spelled actually clearly

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as an annexation process for Florida Statutes.

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So it may seem like it was a lot of verbiage and conditions, but it's spelling

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out everybody who reads this understands that you go through a first reading,

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then you go through adoption, it's done.

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So from our take when we reviewed that, that was following Florida Statute.

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So we had no issues with that timing of it because of an annexation agreement.

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And that was the summary of how we came to those conclusions of this language.

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So we're, and Sherry, you want to help me a little bit, too, on some of the legal?

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And I think that what the agreement does is say we're voluntarily annexing,

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not forced, being forced to annex.

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So we're voluntarily annexing.

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So there are events that would cause them to not want to voluntarily annex if the developer doesn't buy the property.

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I mean there are some things that are reasons why probably the trigger event.

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We're all friends here, so I'm going to be honest with you.

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There's some concern that has been expressed by the developer about being gun shy, about

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coming forward in front of the city.

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So they were asking for some things to be put in place and they can certainly, if you

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have specific questions, they have a representative here, they're here, they can speak to those.

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But it was kind of a give and take.

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they wanted assurances from us that we were gonna follow through with these

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things and that we weren't going to pull their pud out from under them and make

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them change their zoning after it had already been approved in the county and

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then start pulling building permits and then us change up on them what the

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the PUD requirements were going to be.

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Does this stop us from force annexing them?

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No, we could have forced annexed them

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because they are contiguous.

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But this enables us to do it within the timeframes

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that will help us benefit from the CRA and the property being

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put into our Northeast CRA.

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So really this agreement, it's not required and it's not something that they had to do to be able to develop their property or that we had to do for any particular reason other than to expand our CRA.

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And the timing comes in with we want to have it in and have it in our CRA before the property closes because we want to experience those TIF dollars.

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So really, we wouldn't have to do an agreement at all.

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It could just go away and they could start developing and at a later time we could force annex them in,

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but we will not reap the benefit from the CRA dollars that would come in.

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So that's the only reason for the annexation agreement because it enables them to have a level of comfort,

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but it also gives us what we want in order to expand our CRA.

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already.

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You know, we had that discussion at the last meeting or whichever meeting about utility

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capacities and that was probably the item that was probably discussed the most and it was

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probably the biggest concern, I think, amongst the council members and I'm gathering that

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that has been somewhat resolved now to the satisfaction of staff, but like you say, that's

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one of those contingencies that's built into the agreement.

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If we can't provide the capacity, they certainly have the right to back out of the annexation

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agreement at some point in time.

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My question is whether or not timing-wise we may not know about capacities until further down the line as the development progresses,

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but we want the annexation up front.

453
00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:08,090
So this is supposed to secure the time period within which we do provide guarantees related to water and wastewater.

454
00:40:08,090 --> 00:40:12,750
water. And it's a three-year period and their development occurs within that

455
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:20,910
three-year period to get to have that security. So we are in essence securing

456
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:27,290
that water and sewer by this agreement and they can it also says that they

457
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:33,770
can seek water and sewer elsewhere if for some reason we can't provide it. But

458
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:40,690
But it's my understanding that staff has said that we are at a place right now with the

459
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:47,130
way that this is structured that we can accept and we can guarantee water and sewer for this

460
00:40:47,130 --> 00:40:49,050
development during this three-year period.

461
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:52,310
Let me ask one follow-up question if I might.

462
00:40:52,750 --> 00:41:01,650
That is, is the expectation that the annexation will move ahead, and I say right away.

463
00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:04,630
In other words, that's going to happen in the next six months.

464
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:13,490
And if capacities cannot be met, then that allows them to go to City of Eustis or some

465
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:21,170
central system, but they would still be annexed already.

466
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:28,070
They would just simply have the right to finish their project with another provider.

467
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:29,030
That is correct.

468
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:29,550
Okay.

469
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:29,670
Okay.

470
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:30,470
Okay.

471
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:36,330
So I have a question for Vince and Sherry.

472
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:40,550
So the process is, so we approve this agreement here.

473
00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:44,050
And they've already filed for annexation.

474
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:44,670
Is that correct?

475
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:45,350
That is correct.

476
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:48,650
So, and we're going to vote tonight on reading one.

477
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:51,290
When do we expect to do reading two?

478
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:53,250
And that would finalize the annexation.

479
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:57,730
This is the first reading and then the second reading would come based on the trigger

480
00:41:57,730 --> 00:41:58,170
date.

481
00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:08,470
And those are our I'm assuming and their attorney can probably speak to that better if she wants to say something different than what I'm saying.

482
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:18,390
But I'm assuming it's related to their closing and what they're doing to get themselves ready to move to the next phase of the development as well.

483
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:22,690
Then when they provide us with those trigger dates, they'll tell us and then we will get

484
00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:28,350
it on the next immediate possible agenda for the second reading and the final reading.

485
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:35,560
And then does, because there's that one line that Councilman Bryan mentioned about the

486
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:41,020
developer has a right to the discretion annexing.

487
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:45,840
So we go through this, we approve this, we go through the reading one and then something

488
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,000
happens and then they could pull the annexation. And that can happen in any

489
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,760
voluntary annexation. That's why it really, for my purposes, for planning, you

490
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,680
have the first reading. If we went ahead and scheduled the second reading, the

491
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,000
applicant can say, well, we withdraw. They have that full right to do that. So

492
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,940
this gives insurances that we're proceeding when they give us notice to

493
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:11,700
go to the second reading, that we act on it with City Council's blessing,

494
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:16,780
obviously, but it can happen on any application. We just again spelled it out

495
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:21,320
clearly in this document. Anybody, and they did, and that happened on one of the

496
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,260
applications we had annexation at the meeting. They stood up and said, well, we

497
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:30,520
withdrew. That's, we're back to square one. And then there were, but does this

498
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,440
agreement stand if they withdraw their annexation? No, if they withdraw the

499
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,040
annexation, then I mean the agreement is going to go away, but that to me

500
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,620
tells me something has occurred to where they're not purchasing the property or

501
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:51,280
some of those things are going on behind the scenes but then that doesn't stop us

502
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,760
from going through a forced annexation process if that's something that you all

503
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:03,580
want to do but if this agreement doesn't if they were to pull back and

504
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:07,760
not go through that second reading we're in no different position than we

505
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,000
right right this minute.

506
00:44:13,930 --> 00:44:19,370
Mr. Olson. Remember this developer and and the

507
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:25,570
Simpsons wanted to come into the city two years ago and for the reasons we were

508
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:31,710
familiar with stop they couldn't or didn't and so to think that they might

509
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:38,490
renege on some deals this would be a surprise to me but I appreciate our city

510
00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:43,370
attorney telling us that we still have wiggle room to be able to force annexation.

511
00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:46,110
Now that's a much longer process.

512
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:47,110
Of course.

513
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:57,410
I think the clarification is to the gentleman's concerns, if we make this, if we approve this

514
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:59,430
action here that if

515
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,500
They did allow the city, it's not held accountable for anything. So I think that's the assurance

516
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:11,100
that they were looking for. I would assume. That is correct. And we aren't guaranteeing

517
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:17,800
water then at that point or sewer at that point. These are guarantees. So there are

518
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:24,600
an equal balance of benefits here to both sides because there are guarantees about

519
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,840
the water and sewer capacity. There are guarantees that we aren't going to pull away their

520
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,780
approvals that they already have in place, but then there are guarantees that we're

521
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:37,860
going to be able to expand our CRA and realize those tip dollars.

522
00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:40,990
Mr. Olson.

523
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:46,090
The pre-annexation agreement we're considering currently on page nine. Does

524
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:53,190
that cover just the north or the south or can you can a motion be made to

525
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:58,660
consider both pre-annexation agreements if they're separated? Okay, there's

526
00:45:58,660 --> 00:46:04,720
only one pre-annexation agreement and then there will be two ordinances because they

527
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:11,240
may be annexed in at separate times, which is fine with us because only a certain, the

528
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:17,220
south side, can be put into the North, the ECRA anyway.

529
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:21,020
And there's two council member districts separated?

530
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:21,460
Yes.

531
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,680
So it did make it a little cleaner to separate them out as well.

532
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Thank you. That's all I have.

533
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:29,180
Vice Mayor Krill.

534
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:41,940
I think I understand that, and we each party needs to trust in the good faith of the other,

535
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:46,440
and I think it's going to work out.

536
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:52,080
In my most recent electronic communication with Ms. Tedro,

537
00:46:52,080 --> 00:47:05,700
So I mentioned my concern that we haven't come to a good, in my opinion, a good resolution

538
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,600
to the golf cart path situation.

539
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:18,500
We know that SICO has easement and so on and so forth, but that just seems to me to

540
00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:27,970
to be such an obvious benefit to the residents of the groves and the residents of the country

541
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:36,790
club of Mount Dora to have easy golf cart access to go back and forth and to get to what

542
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:41,590
I'll call the Loch Levin or public's plaza and so on and so forth.

543
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:50,430
I think each party should do everything possible.

544
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:57,050
And I know it's not in here, but I still think it can be done and should be done.

545
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:07,290
It would add value to the developer's product on the south side.

546
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:16,050
And it would also add convenience and value to the families who are going to purchase those homes.

547
00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:26,790
I just think for a pittance this could be and should be taken care of.

548
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:33,290
That's not going to, I'm not going to not vote for it on account of that,

549
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:39,110
But boy, that's such an obvious benefit to all concerned that I sure hope that can happen.

550
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:39,970
Thank you.

551
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:41,630
You go to the public first.

552
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:42,470
Are you ready for a motion?

553
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:44,930
I was going to make my comments first and ask my questions.

554
00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:48,090
That's on my list as well, the golf cart path.

555
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:52,290
It's just such a huge, I mean everything Vice Mayor Crowell just said, it's just such

556
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:57,190
a huge benefit to not only the future residents of the Mount Dora groves or whatever it's

557
00:48:57,190 --> 00:49:02,290
to be determined what it's called, but also to the lakes of Mount Dora and the

558
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:06,390
as well for that path to be completed and then I just had a couple of questions

559
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:09,830
within this agreement and I hope this is an okay time as opposed to waiting for

560
00:49:09,830 --> 00:49:21,950
the ordinance. On page, oops, on page eight of our packet which is page I don't

561
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:24,190
know the map doesn't have a yeah this map.

562
00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:27,750
There's a little box off to the

563
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:31,550
side that talks about landscape buffers and one of them says on the

564
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:38,970
west side, which is what will be adjacent to our future public works building, is a

565
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:43,570
Mount Dore Resolution 2019-40 where the city of Mount Dore will provide at the city's expense

566
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:48,510
both the landscape buffer and security fence along the eastern property boundaries satisfactory

567
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:49,430
to the landowner.

568
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:53,710
I just had a question if that's something that we would have to do anyway.

569
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:56,810
I know we do a landscape buffer, but the security fence is...

570
00:49:56,810 --> 00:50:02,030
The city is working on the public works complex, adjacent to this property, which fronts limit.

571
00:50:02,590 --> 00:50:08,810
We're about 17 acres and our staff is working those site plans, so we will be providing the buffer.

572
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:16,090
The reason is the Grandview extension transforms to the north-south along the city's property line,

573
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:21,330
so we can have access in Grecy Grece, and so we're providing the buffers, though it's appropriate.

574
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:27,370
And that was placed in the PUD ordinance in the county, so there's no issues with that

575
00:50:27,370 --> 00:50:28,150
provision.

576
00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:28,910
Okay.

577
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:33,570
And then, obviously, I couldn't think of a reason why anybody on the Northeast CRA Advisory

578
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:37,670
Committee would not want this project to add to the Northeast CRA boundary.

579
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:43,690
But we haven't had a Northeast or a regular CRA meeting in months.

580
00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:47,830
And so I just wondered if we heard from the Advisory Committee to be sure that

581
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:50,970
everybody has any questions, anything about this project.

582
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:55,590
Adam has not taken, have you not taken the redevelopment plan amendment yet?

583
00:50:58,790 --> 00:51:02,150
Mr. Sumner, Adam is our CRA manager.

584
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,540
Yes ma'am, we have shared it with the advisory committee multiple times actually and they

585
00:51:10,540 --> 00:51:14,320
are in support of anything that increases the revenue to allow us to carry out the plan.

586
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:19,600
The only thing we have to take back at this point is to the governing board is the plan

587
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,420
amendment that the only thing that's going to change in the plan amendment is the

588
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:22,960
legal description.

589
00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:25,680
Everything else in the planning state is exactly the same.

590
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:32,860
And the advisory committee had blessed that quite frankly a year and a half ago to get this project moving forward.

591
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:35,260
So the advisory committee absolutely supports it.

592
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:35,980
Okay, thanks.

593
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:44,300
And then on page nine in one of the whereas clauses, the third one down.

594
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:52,560
This is maybe just nitpicking, but for a legal question, I guess it talks about Florida Statute,

595
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:59,200
chapter 80 utility area all persons or corporations should that be businesses instead of corporations

596
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,280
because what if we're not a corporation not we the city what if the business that moves

597
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:09,160
in there isn't technically a corporation I don't know if that matters if it's even important

598
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,780
to anybody which

599
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:19,740
on page nine on page one of the actual pre annexation agreement the

600
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:26,040
third whereas clause down talks about Florida statutes chapter 180 utility area for all

601
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:36,200
persons or corporations living or doing business it just says the property is

602
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,500
located within the city's Florida Statue's chapter 180 utility area

603
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:48,340
it says it to the very first page so

604
00:52:56,050 --> 00:52:59,730
that in the second whereas clause oh I'm

605
00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:00,450
I apologize.

606
00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:01,410
I apologize.

607
00:53:01,850 --> 00:53:03,570
I'm like, mine does not say that.

608
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:03,770
Yeah.

609
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:04,710
I was like, oopsie.

610
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:08,470
Our city attorney needs to memorize these agreements before.

611
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:09,290
Third paragraph.

612
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:10,350
Second, wear ass clause.

613
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:14,880
Is it not important?

614
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:21,640
I think it's fine the way that it's because of the or doing business within that we've

615
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:21,900
covered.

616
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,680
And then this is really a dumb question, but water and sewer comes as a package,

617
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:27,980
right?

618
00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:32,060
We couldn't provide water but not provide sewer because it's sewer that we're...

619
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:34,480
all utilities and have available reclaim.

620
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:35,700
OK.

621
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,980
And then I forget what project we did some time ago.

622
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,460
I'll say it's maybe one out on 46, but when or maybe it's

623
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:49,520
Timberwock when they started doing construction, we said,

624
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,980
hey, at the same time we want to upgrade our pipe sizes.

625
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,920
I didn't see anything in here about.

626
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:56,340
We have the ability to do that and pay the difference,

627
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:57,720
but is that something that's been discussed?

628
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:00,920
We would do a separate agreement if that were the case

629
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,800
because we would do that as an impact fee credit agreement if that was

630
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,500
something that we're needed but I I don't need we're not contemplating any

631
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:16,060
up-sizing off-site too for that it's not contemplated now if that happens we'll

632
00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:21,120
we'll address it through engineering but it's not been okay on our radar okay

633
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,760
we will go to public first if that's acceptable anyone from the public

634
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,220
wish to make a comment on this item your

635
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,020
name and address and we have three

636
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:35,200
James

637
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:47,420
Homage, 621 East Fifth Avenue. I've heard from the city attorney that says this agreement just goes away if they don't annex.

638
00:54:48,300 --> 00:55:00,600
That is patently false. This agreement, once you signed it, is binding on the city and is binding on the developer.

639
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:07,640
Now, the developer has full control on whether they annex or don't annex.

640
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:14,120
You are giving them utilities whether they annex or don't annex.

641
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:20,660
I think that, I mean, you know, the 1,000 homes is ridiculous, but we're there.

642
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,060
But this agreement, you sign it tonight, go ahead and improve the first reading.

643
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:37,200
they never have to finish the annexation. And guess what that means? No Northeast

644
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:51,140
CRA money, no taxes. And it's interesting that they put in here, they put in here

645
00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:57,080
that their businesses will only be charged inside city rates.

646
00:55:58,460 --> 00:56:00,760
Why do you need that if they're annexing?

647
00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:07,260
There's a lot of other language in here that is very burdensome on the city.

648
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:11,760
They talk about trigger events. I haven't seen how those are defined.

649
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:19,730
I don't see where this goes away if they don't annex.

650
00:56:20,770 --> 00:56:27,470
I'd like the attorney to point that language out to me, and I've only had today to look

651
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:31,910
at it for a couple of times, so maybe she knows where it goes away if they don't annex.

652
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:38,130
The only, if you go to the very back of the agreement,

653
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:44,820
paragraph C on page eight of the

654
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:50,560
agreement, I don't know what it's on your agenda, that's page 16 on your agenda

655
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:50,800
back.

656
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:56,440
It is expressly agreed and understood that this is the entire agreement between the developer

657
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:02,660
and the city and that there are no other written or verbal agreements applicable to the subject

658
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:05,260
of this agreement between the developer and the city.

659
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,400
This agreement may be modified or amended by a written.

660
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:14,900
Nothing that's said here means anything when this is signed.

661
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,880
The assurances by the developer that they're going to annex means nothing.

662
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:28,060
This is a contract, and you will be obligated as a city to provide those services as agreed here

663
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:32,160
and to accept the conditions they've put in here.

664
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,620
And if you don't, you'll get sued.

665
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,240
And guess who will win? The developer.

666
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:46,700
All I think that needs to be in here, instead of in this place since they had,

667
00:57:50,290 --> 00:57:50,910
was pointed

668
00:57:50,910 --> 00:58:01,030
out in page 5, paragraph 4, Roman numeral, annexation of the property shall occur at the

669
00:58:01,030 --> 00:58:06,550
sole and exclusive election of the developer.

670
00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:13,360
If you sign this tonight without changing that language, they are under no obligation

671
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,660
ever in the future to finish the annexation.

672
00:58:18,220 --> 00:58:19,360
Thank you, Mr. Hummich.

673
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,980
Anyone else from the public wish to make a comment?

674
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,440
There are any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

675
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:27,100
Not seeing any.

676
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,140
Mr. Olson.

677
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:32,340
Thank you.

678
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:39,480
I move approval of the, pardon me, of the pre-annexation agreement as set out in

679
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:46,120
page 9 of the agenda packet. Is that good enough?

680
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:49,940
You don't want to read all those words? Sure, I think that's fine.

681
00:58:53,110 --> 00:58:55,150
Mr. Walker seconds, Jean Ann.

682
00:58:55,390 --> 00:58:56,770
Before we both hope. Sure.

683
00:58:57,510 --> 00:59:00,430
Ms. Sutman, can you speak to that again for clarification?

684
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:06,810
So, if they choose not to annex, this is a voluntary annex agreement.

685
00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:12,030
So if they choose not to annex, we could always force to annex them.

686
00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:26,910
But again, there's a trust factor here with respect to the annexation of the property and the giving on the part of the city.

687
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:31,790
But we are not guaranteeing capacity without the annexation.

688
00:59:31,790 --> 00:59:39,690
It's give and take. So just as Mr. Hommage suggested, and I will not debate legal issues

689
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:51,150
on the dais, I just will not do that with him. But just as he has suggested that the

690
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:56,350
developer could sue us if we don't provide water and sewer, we could sue the developer

691
00:59:56,350 --> 00:59:59,590
as well and we are expecting.

692
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,600
There to be the annexation into the city limits voluntarily, which is why we are

693
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:12,500
guaranteeing the water and sewer within the three-year period. If they didn't annex, we

694
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:17,360
wouldn't be guaranteeing the water and sewer. So no, it doesn't just go away. We

695
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:24,740
would have to go through termination and those sorts of things. So I apologize for

696
01:00:24,740 --> 01:00:29,780
misspeaking what the agreement goes away. It was figuratively speaking. It goes

697
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:33,060
away from the standpoint of they haven't agreed to their part so we don't

698
01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:39,400
have to uphold our part. Yes we would have to do some go through some

699
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:45,860
formalities in order to exercise that right but the essence of the agreement

700
01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:51,120
and the material of parts of the agreement would be gone and so the

701
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:58,060
agreement itself would be gone and the city could take measures toward not

702
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:02,900
honoring the water and sewer. And I do believe that you would not have to honor

703
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:09,880
the water and sewer if they do not annex it. So plainly put, again, we're under no

704
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:17,260
obligation if they decide not to annex. That is correct. Other than, I mean, we do

705
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:21,440
have to follow some formalities to get out from under the agreement, but I don't

706
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,440
think we're in any different position than we are today. Thank you. I was just

707
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:36,560
wondering if it would be appropriate for someone on behalf of the developer to speak about what

708
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,180
their thoughts are on this.

709
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Maybe a little reassurance.

710
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,380
Good evening, Tara Tedro, Lowndes Law 2 and 5 North Yola Drive, Orlando, Florida here

711
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:46,420
on behalf of the developer.

712
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:54,040
This would have been quite the expensive endeavor to pull a trick on the city that

713
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,000
we're not going to annex.

714
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,120
Sherry said it is a very clear agreement that there are triggers for our annexation.

715
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:03,420
In the event the city doesn't provide us utilities, we don't annex.

716
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:09,720
I mean, that has been the exact reason we are doing this agreement is because we didn't have that assurance previously.

717
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,740
So now we have a reservation period where we have to get everything on our end done.

718
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,840
We've talked to your staff about this.

719
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,580
We're processing certain site plans right now in the county.

720
01:02:19,580 --> 01:02:24,220
We have already talked in the agreement about how we get building permits issued

721
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:29,720
by the city that we pay the city impact fees that we're going to annex into the

722
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,580
city upon those triggers. The only reason there isn't a very specific or

723
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:37,800
definitive date for what those triggers are going to be is because I'd love to

724
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,820
tell you how long it was going to take for the county to give us some site

725
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:45,260
plan approvals. We don't know how long that's going to take so that's why

726
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:48,520
it says that we will give that notice and then we will immediately be

727
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:54,280
placed on that next available agenda. We have filed an application to annex. There will be a first

728
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,480
reading of those ordinances this evening. We have been working in good faith with your city

729
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:07,300
now for five months on this agreement to try to come to terms for a voluntary means of coming

730
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:12,160
into the city. And Sherry is correct that you are in no different position than if you didn't

731
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,380
sign this agreement except for you would not have the guaranteed payment of impact fees

732
01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:20,720
because we will pull all building permits in the county and we will pay

733
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,800
them impact fees and then you can go through a process to force us to annex

734
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:30,100
but not have any of those impact fees or we do this agreement. The other benefit

735
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:34,080
is that you have all of the monies from the CRA expansion which is

736
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,680
guaranteed by this agreement. So we have to have that trigger in place

737
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,420
because that trigger is also tied to our private contractual agreements on

738
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:46,340
the closing of the property so we put it very specifically that we do that

739
01:03:46,340 --> 01:03:51,640
trigger so that we know we're giving notice to the sellers, we're going to have 45 days

740
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,400
essentially to close is what we think it will take to get on that next available agenda

741
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:55,920
at the longest.

742
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,780
And then you all know you'll have that second reading.

743
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,700
So you're annexing prior to our closings to realize the benefits of that CRA expansion.

744
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,700
So all of this has been done with full transparency.

745
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:14,120
And again, perhaps some of it was an attempt to be too transparent to say, yes, this

746
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,860
is a voluntary annexation agreement. So any language that says it is at the discretion

747
01:04:18,860 --> 01:04:24,020
of the developer is synonymous with saying this is a voluntary annexation agreement. Nothing

748
01:04:24,020 --> 01:04:29,400
more than that. Happy to answer any questions you may have. Just to clarify to that section

749
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:35,640
2E, the language just says they may be annexed at different dates. And that's just so everybody

750
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,460
knew that the north and south could come in on a first reading tonight. But your

751
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:45,740
second reading might have the north sooner than you had the south because we don't necessarily

752
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:51,200
close on the north at the same time as we do on the south. So we wanted to be clear that

753
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,720
those could be different final readings. But what really matters for your purposes is that

754
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,740
we are annexing prior to closing again for the benefits to the Northeast C.R.A.

755
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:07,000
While you're there, Ms. Tedra, we received an email today from a resident with some

756
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,880
questions and one being says the developer has agreed to pay city impact

757
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,840
fees but does not require those fees to be paid to the city. I'd be surprised to

758
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,160
find out where we could pay those. That was my question. Where else could you pay

759
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,980
them? To the city and if you actually just read the entirety of that sentence

760
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:27,200
it's rather short. It says when building permits are pulled for

761
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,340
respective portions of development of the project the developer or its

762
01:05:30,340 --> 01:05:34,940
successors and or signs shall be required to pay city impact fees at

763
01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:40,360
the rates in time, at the payment of the same is required, pursuant to the city's

764
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,840
normal course of collection. So unless you change your course of collection and ask us

765
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,040
to write a check to somebody else, the only way that we can pay city impact fees pursuant

766
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,220
to your normal course of collection would be to write you a check and allow you to

767
01:05:54,220 --> 01:05:54,600
cash it.

768
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,320
Thank you.

769
01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:57,640
Sure.

770
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Thank you.

771
01:05:58,780 --> 01:06:01,860
Any other comments, questions before we go to Jean in?

772
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:07,420
I would make this statement, and I alluded to it at the workshop.

773
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:15,140
I spoke with the developers a year and a half ago, and there was some back and forth.

774
01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:20,500
But overall, I do believe this is going to be a benefit to the Mount Dora,

775
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,000
certainly to the Northeast community.

776
01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:31,210
And I'm happy that we're here tonight, so I'll say that. Thank you.

777
01:06:40,290 --> 01:06:40,970
Gene

778
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:46,310
regional

779
01:06:46,310 --> 01:06:53,730
environmental services related to emergency debris hauling and disposal services.

780
01:07:01,210 --> 01:07:08,750
it actually was set to be on the September 7th agenda and it was moved up

781
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:13,510
because of the circumstances that we find ourselves in to make sure that we do

782
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:21,690
have our debris hauler in place so this extends that agreement term and allows

783
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:31,190
this to continue. There was in fact it had lapsed as of April 16th and I

784
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:35,230
I think staff had all intents of bringing it back to you all

785
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:37,230
and for whatever reason it was missed,

786
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:40,130
but the extension, the way that it was originally

787
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:44,830
going to be done was that it would enable extensions

788
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:46,850
on a month to month to be brought back

789
01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:48,870
through December 31st, 2023.

790
01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:51,490
So when I spoke to Marilyn in purchasing,

791
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:53,670
we decided that it would be best for you all

792
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:57,830
to just extend it yourselves through December 31st, 2023

793
01:07:57,830 --> 01:08:00,830
at this point, and then in that time period,

794
01:08:00,830 --> 01:08:06,890
they're going to be working on a solicitation to have new, to go out for a new debris hauler

795
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:12,050
contract. It may ultimately be the same person, but they're going to solicit for it. So this

796
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,750
just gives us this season's extension.

797
01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:18,230
Questions, comments?

798
01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:21,960
Anyone from the public wish to

799
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:30,760
make a comment on this? Not seeing any. Walker, so move. Oh, Vice Mayor Brown. I'll second.

800
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:31,300
Okay.

801
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,180
Jeanine.

802
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:33,780
Council Member Walker.

803
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:34,220
Yes.

804
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:35,020
Vice Mayor Creil.

805
01:08:35,140 --> 01:08:35,320
Yes.

806
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:36,400
Council Member Rolfson.

807
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:36,640
Yes.

808
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:37,680
Council Member Dawson.

809
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:38,020
Yes.

810
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:39,720
Council Member Bryant.

811
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:40,280
Yes.

812
01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:40,960
Mayor Steyer.

813
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:41,440
Yes.

814
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:42,680
Okay.

815
01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:47,380
First public hearing request approval of first reading of ordinance number 2023-16,

816
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,840
Mount Dora Grove's North Annexation for Simpson Family Partnership.

817
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:52,320
Ms. Uffin.

818
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,520
Ordinance number 2023-16 in ordinance of the City of Mount Dora, Florida pertaining

819
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:07,480
to the Voluntary Annexation of Property, generally located on the north side of US Highway 441

820
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:13,200
and east of State Road 44, providing for legislative findings and intent, providing for voluntary

821
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:19,160
annexation, providing for effective annexation, providing an amendment to Chapter 2 Code of

822
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,760
Ordinances, providing for filing requirements, providing for the implementation of administrative

823
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,600
actions, providing a savings clause, providing for limited codification in Scribner's

824
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,880
providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing an effective date.

825
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,240
Mr. Sandersfeld.

826
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,160
The city received the petition for a voluntary annexation.

827
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,660
The properties located on north side of US Highway 441 and east of State Road 44,

828
01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:50,380
south of, it's north of the, excuse me, south of Lake Loc-11 Lake.

829
01:09:51,580 --> 01:09:56,620
The properties about 143 acres and change.

830
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:02,360
It's really an enclave in the middle of the city and eligible for annexation to be subject

831
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:07,580
to the pre-annexation agreement that was just approved earlier on the agenda.

832
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:13,460
Staff recommends approval of the voluntary annexation and we'll hold for second reading

833
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:17,780
when we get notification per the agreement by the owner-applicant developer.

834
01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:22,520
Questions, comments, anything?

835
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,100
I forgot to ask this at the last one.

836
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:30,880
My only question is assuming everything's going to be removed obviously for development,

837
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:35,560
how do we, what do we do about all the burning?

838
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:44,440
During the construction phase, they're required to have a, if they still have a burn permit through the forestry division,

839
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:54,800
coordinate with the fire department for coordination, but I don't know how they're going to, if they're going to remove any sort of,

840
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:02,580
kind of incineration technique or really be hauling them away. That's a construction activity that will monitor when the plans come in.

841
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,800
Anyone else before we go to public?

842
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:09,520
This is a public hearing. We'll open to the public.

843
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,480
Anyone wish to make a comment on this item?

844
01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:16,550
Not seeing any.

845
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:19,290
Yes. Miss Christine King Harris.

846
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,660
Good evening.

847
01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:35,340
My comment this evening has to do with number one, the idea that the property owner

848
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:42,840
and clear title do not pass to the Simpsons, so you are not working with the parties who own the property.

849
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,980
The second is we already have developments on the property, so it's very easy to discern who owns what.

850
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:57,900
You have the publics and all of those big supermarkets and others who have bestiture.

851
01:11:58,620 --> 01:12:01,840
And I would guard that you change your vote.

852
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:08,200
you're making a wrong decision. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else from the

853
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,380
public wish to make a comment?

854
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:14,230
Not seeing. Anyone close public hearing back to

855
01:12:14,230 --> 01:12:18,870
council? Mayor, I move approval of the first reading of ordinance number. Your

856
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:23,690
microphone on? Mr. Olson. I'm sorry. Your microphone. I apologize. I move approval

857
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:28,830
of the first reading of ordinance number 2023-16, Monterey-Groves North

858
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:35,250
more than excision for Simpson family partnership, LLT, LLD, excuse me.

859
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:35,810
Seconded.

860
01:12:36,230 --> 01:12:37,210
Mr. Dawson, seconds.

861
01:12:38,050 --> 01:12:38,410
Jean Ann.

862
01:12:38,830 --> 01:12:39,690
Council Member Alson.

863
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:40,130
Yes.

864
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:41,230
Council Member Dawson.

865
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:41,590
Yes.

866
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:42,850
Council Member Walker.

867
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:43,410
Yes.

868
01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:44,370
Council Member Bryant.

869
01:12:44,690 --> 01:12:44,870
Yes.

870
01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:45,790
Vice Mayor Creil.

871
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:46,230
Yes.

872
01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:46,950
Mayor Steyl.

873
01:12:47,210 --> 01:12:47,430
Yes.

874
01:12:48,430 --> 01:12:53,450
On to request approval of first reading of Ordinance number 2023-17, Mount Drugrove,

875
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:57,570
South annexation for Simpson family partnership, Ms. Sutman.

876
01:12:57,570 --> 01:13:03,150
Ordinance summer 2023-17, ordinance of the city of Mount Dora pertaining to the voluntary

877
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:09,150
annexation and property generally located on the south side of US Highway 441 north of

878
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:13,590
Limit Avenue in the east of Donnelley Street. Providing for legislative findings and intent,

879
01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:18,810
providing for voluntary annexation, providing for effective annexation, providing an amendment

880
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:23,230
to Chapter 2 code of ordinances, providing for filing requirements, providing for the

881
01:13:23,230 --> 01:13:27,150
implementation of administrative actions, providing a savings clause, providing

882
01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:31,070
for limited codification, scrutiners errors, providing for conflicts, providing

883
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:36,010
for severability, and providing an effective date. Mr. Sanderson. This

884
01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:39,370
city received the petition for a voluntary annexation. The property is

885
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:43,790
located on the south side of US Highway 441 east of Dolley Street and north of

886
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:49,290
Limit Avenue, containing just over 80 acres. This is a companion ordinance of

887
01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:55,070
recent one we just heard. It's part of the Mount Dore gross project. It's considered an enclave

888
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:59,470
and eligible for annexation to be subject to the pre-annexation agreement we just considered

889
01:13:59,470 --> 01:14:04,670
earlier in tonight's meeting. Staff recommends approval of the annexation of this ordinance

890
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:08,430
for the 80 acres and recommends approval.

891
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:12,600
Anyone? Anything?

892
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,060
This is a public hearing.

893
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,500
We'll go to public for any comments.

894
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:24,460
Not seeing any. We'll close the public hearing back to

895
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:25,320
council for a motion.

896
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:32,350
I request approval of first reading of ordinance number

897
01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:35,470
2023-17 on the rule of south annexation.

898
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:38,820
Second. Rolfson second.

899
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:44,140
Jeanette. Councilmember Walker. Yes. Councilmember Rolfson. Yes. Councilmember

900
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:48,780
Dawson. Yes. Councilmember Bryant. Yes. Vice Mayor Creil. Yes. Mayor Steyl. Yes.

901
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:54,380
Request adoption of resolution number 2023-39, state of emergency related to

902
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:57,140
Tropical storm, Adalia, Adalia.

903
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:58,740
Behold the sun.

904
01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:59,600
Adalia, Adalia.

905
01:14:59,700 --> 01:14:59,840
Oh, I forgot.

906
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,640
I've got to make my joke about the debris company. Their tagline is Behold the Sun.

907
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:08,740
No, it's not. No, it's not. Oh. I'm like, how weird and ironic.

908
01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:16,860
Resolution number 2023-39, a resolution of the city of Mount Dore, Florida pertaining to the local state of emergency,

909
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:22,680
stemming from tropical storm Idalia, providing for legislative findings and intent,

910
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:29,460
providing for the declaration of local state of emergency, providing for the inapplicability of emergency event response pay,

911
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:32,280
providing for the duration of the local state of emergency,

912
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,780
providing for implementation of administrative actions,

913
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,740
providing a savings clause, providing for scriveners errors,

914
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,460
providing for conflicts, providing for severability,

915
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,040
and providing an effective date.

916
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:45,080
Vince, would you like to give an update from our EOC meeting?

917
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:51,580
This was not a test as the acting city manager to be involved in a storm event.

918
01:15:51,580 --> 01:16:00,840
And just coincidence, but in that vein, through our city emergency operation center and through

919
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,100
the decoration through the governor's office with executive order, it's prune for us to

920
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:11,560
continue with our decorations of city, which will trigger some of our payroll and purchasing

921
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:17,960
and those abilities and for the pending storm, if so, at the end of the meeting, like

922
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,260
Like I said, maybe Mr. Langley can give a quick update on it, but it's really a procedure

923
01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:27,720
we've done on all of our tropical storm events and precursor to be the prunes of the city.

924
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:33,980
And we recommend approval as read by the city attorney to adopt this declaration.

925
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,540
Questions, comments?

926
01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:42,520
Anyone from the public wish to make a comment on this item?

927
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:45,830
Not seeing any.

928
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:46,410
Back to council.

929
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:59,340
I'll make a motion to adopt a resolution 2023-39 state of emergency related to tropical storm.

930
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:01,640
Eudalia.

931
01:17:01,940 --> 01:17:02,360
Eudalia.

932
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:03,420
No, he has to say it.

933
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:03,840
Oh.

934
01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,060
Can you say it again?

935
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:06,320
Eudalia.

936
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:08,880
Is there a second?

937
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:09,640
Seconded.

938
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:11,080
Mr. Dawson, seconded.

939
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Gina.

940
01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:12,360
Place, Mayor Creil.

941
01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:12,940
Yes.

942
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:14,020
Council Member Dawson.

943
01:17:14,180 --> 01:17:14,320
Yes.

944
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,540
Council Member Rolfson.

945
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:15,800
Here.

946
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:22,040
Council Member Walker? Yes. Council Member Bryant? Yes. Mayor Stile? Yes. For the record that was a guess.

947
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:32,240
Okay, discussion item response to the Lake County legislative delegation letter. I'm sure by now you all have read it.

948
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:41,360
I simply did not want to respond on behalf of this council without your input. So this is just, this could be as simple as leave it alone

949
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:46,120
or give me some of your thoughts and I'll be happy to craft a letter if you'd

950
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,020
like to read the letter before I send it if there is a letter I'm happy to do

951
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:56,540
that so it's up to you if you want to leave it alone it was I received an

952
01:17:56,540 --> 01:18:01,700
email late last night actually this morning from our actual city manager

953
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:07,340
with his opinion that we let it go so it's up to you guys if you'd like to

954
01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:12,760
to give a response. I'm happy to put some type of letter together. I did hear from a resident

955
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,780
who went to the delegation meeting in Leesburg on that next morning after we received the

956
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:23,100
letter and in the letter admittedly was very short notice. So none of us were there. We

957
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:28,020
were actually at the very same time we were receiving the being dedicated as a trail town.

958
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:32,780
So I was at that meeting at the same time at 9am. Otherwise I would have been there.

959
01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:38,040
but a comment again this is just from the resident that was there a comment was

960
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,220
made that they were surprised that nobody from the city of Mount Dora was

961
01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:45,960
there and again we had less than 24 hours notice so that to me I feel like we

962
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,960
should respond in some way but I'm happy to let it go and if that's if that's

963
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,120
the desire of the council I don't know who was first just go I think I would

964
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,980
just say leave it alone I mean this is you know you know where as a city

965
01:19:00,980 --> 01:19:07,120
we have the rights as a city to kind of make our own resolutions until they make some law

966
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:12,440
at the state that would prevent us, but, you know, and, you know, we belong to the League

967
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:16,300
of Cities, Florida League of Cities, because of home rule issues, and this is a home rule

968
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,840
issue, and I say we just leave it alone.

969
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,580
Okay.

970
01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:19,480
Vice Mayor Krell?

971
01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:23,520
I'm not sure.

972
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:34,850
I think it might be a good idea to reply just out of courtesy.

973
01:19:36,430 --> 01:19:51,130
What I feel very certain of, I've talked to Chief Gibson a couple of times, and I think

974
01:19:51,130 --> 01:20:03,790
I think everyone involved seems to be willing to tweak and to make this effort safe places

975
01:20:04,370 --> 01:20:19,590
as expansive and kind of a big tent to include all sorts of groups of people who may need

976
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:26,130
extra support from the city I think that's going to happen and and and I don't

977
01:20:26,130 --> 01:20:40,490
think we're done with the good intent of this initiative initiative yeah so if we

978
01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:44,290
respond I think it ought to be pretty generic and you know we're still working

979
01:20:44,290 --> 01:20:56,970
on it. And we have, I certainly have heard good suggestions from, and really my communications

980
01:20:57,830 --> 01:21:04,410
have been about 50-50 pro and con, but I think there are some things that we can do that

981
01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:16,390
doesn't that does not diminish the purpose of safe places but would enhance

982
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:22,130
and make it better and I feel very confident that we can that we can do

983
01:21:22,130 --> 01:21:27,650
that moving forward so I don't think we can tell the whatever it is the Lake

984
01:21:27,650 --> 01:21:30,980
County delegation.

985
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:39,620
I don't think we can give them a product right now, but I think we're

986
01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:47,860
working toward making it as good a product as possible and as all-encompassing as possible

987
01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:53,400
without diminishing the intent, the original intent, which I think is very good.

988
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,220
Mr. Alston.

989
01:21:54,820 --> 01:21:55,580
Thank you.

990
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:03,700
Let me update you a little bit, and it shows the Sunshine Laws in North Dakota and at least

991
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:12,980
in this city are alive and well because I was at the Venetian and Mayor didn't know about

992
01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:13,660
it, and that's fine.

993
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,380
She shouldn't have known about me going under this issue.

994
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:23,280
It's – I thought you had letters that I prepared in front of you.

995
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:34,220
Okay. If you read that, you'll see I was contacted by the delegation, by one member, Representative

996
01:22:34,220 --> 01:22:47,140
Yarkowsky, less than 20 hours after we had passed that resolution, and we passed our position

997
01:22:47,140 --> 01:22:52,580
on that, and it was a resolution, I don't remember the number, but 2023 dash something.

998
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,100
And he questioned me as to why we did that.

999
01:22:59,340 --> 01:23:06,120
And I explained to him just what you, Vice Mayor, explained to him on the telephone

1000
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:13,740
at about 5.30 the following day, and explained to him that it's intended to be all inclusive

1001
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:25,560
who were trying to highlight or brag about LBTGQ citizens of

1002
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:31,180
Montdora or guests of Montdora like that we were intended to make it all

1003
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:37,300
inclusive and in fact the resolution specifically stated that and he said

1004
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:42,760
well I would like the delegation would like to meet with you and I said well

1005
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,020
I'll be happy to meet with you.

1006
01:23:44,380 --> 01:23:45,880
I can only do it on my own.

1007
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,240
I can't do it as a representative of this council for obvious reasons.

1008
01:23:49,980 --> 01:23:57,360
So he set up an appointment that I would meet with them at 8 o'clock that following

1009
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,600
morning when there was a lake, the lake-downy delegation was holding hearings for all political

1010
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:11,120
subdivisions and others in the county area and he explained to me he had 75 people

1011
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:16,560
who wanted to talk on the 73, excuse me, that wanted to speak and express their views.

1012
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:23,280
I had done that in years past on behalf of the city to get them prepped for what we might

1013
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,120
want in terms of funds or support on some issues.

1014
01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:33,640
So he agreed to that, and I showed up at quarter to eight, and I got a call about

1015
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:41,280
815 that, and I'm explaining this for the public, it's in the letter, about 815

1016
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:46,940
saying he had some family emergency and couldn't make it on time and that oh by

1017
01:24:46,940 --> 01:24:52,500
the way representative Baxley could not make it either on time so I said thank

1018
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:56,240
you can you tell me when we might I may be able to come in because I want to

1019
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,900
certainly fulfill my promise to you that I'll be happy to meet with you

1020
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:05,580
the delegation and explain the broadness of our resolution and it's all

1021
01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:07,800
encompassing scope and so forth.

1022
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,760
So he said he would call me half an hour to

1023
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:19,760
45 minutes before the end of the program and I would drive back drive back

1024
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,000
there. I wasn't on the agenda and so I didn't stay for the program for the

1025
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:24,240
meeting.

1026
01:25:27,420 --> 01:25:34,720
So I met with the chief and we discussed this issue at some length and it was in his

1027
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:40,480
office and it was about 11.30 and still hadn't gotten a call so I said chief I think we need

1028
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:44,760
to go and see if they've forgotten to call me but they'd still expect me to be there.

1029
01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:52,000
And we did, right there about 11.30 or quarter to something like that and the building

1030
01:25:52,000 --> 01:26:03,320
was empty. And so I decided in order that I wasn't going to be personally accused of

1031
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:10,620
not following through with my promise to meet with them and explain to them our home rule

1032
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:19,640
issues as well as our broad intent for all to include everybody in a safe place issue

1033
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:29,920
in Mount Dore, as we did in 2016 with our equal rights ordinance, and it was just a companion

1034
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:30,420
to that.

1035
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:38,200
And so I wrote that letter to make sure that he knew I wasn't re-nigging on their promise

1036
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:43,000
to be there because I expect to have the best relationship I can with that delegation.

1037
01:26:43,860 --> 01:26:50,480
As you all know, we received from – through that delegation and the political people that

1038
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:56,140
approved that, what, $500,000 for Donnelly?

1039
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:03,860
And the implication that we maybe need – shouldn't be attentive to Senator Wishes for future.

1040
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:08,420
I was concerned about it and I felt a need to respond for obvious reasons.

1041
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:09,740
I don't need to explain further.

1042
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:23,200
So, in the letter, I also told him that, well, I intend to support a correction of that ordinance

1043
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:24,660
to make sure that it's clear.

1044
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:31,900
It does not just apply to LGBTQ citizens of our city, we have the same rights that

1045
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:38,200
everybody else has, and we insisted on that in our Equal Rights Amendment, and it should

1046
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:44,060
remain that way, and that we can phrase it better so it just doesn't highlight them,

1047
01:27:44,180 --> 01:27:49,420
but it includes everybody, including LGBTQ citizens of our city.

1048
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,380
So that letter explains that, and you might want to look at that.

1049
01:27:55,340 --> 01:27:59,220
I should have gotten it to you earlier, and I apologize for that.

1050
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:06,140
I brought it up this morning, but I needed to emphasize that this was just me.

1051
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,120
There's nothing to do with any position of this council.

1052
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:16,840
I needed to make sure that it was only my thoughts and I wasn't superimposing my wishes

1053
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,760
on anybody else.

1054
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:21,400
So it's exclusive to me and I stand by that, of course.

1055
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,820
I think it would be a good result that we look at that, as our Vice Mayor said.

1056
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:36,920
and maybe at a future meeting and modify the perceived impact of that for the entire city

1057
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:41,980
and state, for that matter, because it got a leg of its own – got legs of its own

1058
01:28:41,980 --> 01:28:49,680
thanks to the delegation and the early announcement – actually, that publication of the announcement

1059
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:54,920
that we had done that was a bit premature because we hadn't completed – the chief

1060
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,320
had not completed his analysis of the sticker and all those other things he

1061
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:05,200
was going to come back to us as you will all recall. So it started getting a leg

1062
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:12,960
of its own because of that and I think I don't have a feeling Mayor whether you

1063
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,660
should send a letter following up with what you believe is what we believe as

1064
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:23,360
a council is best or if this is sufficient that I sent out and you

1065
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:29,320
may modify that or not any way you wish it be fine with me. I believe I needed to

1066
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:34,220
absolutely protect this city's image through that process because I got the

1067
01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:43,740
call. Thank you. Okay. Sure. Mr. Bryant. Well you know it's probably first of all

1068
01:29:44,820 --> 01:29:49,320
thank you Councilman Rolfson. I appreciate your following up and doing

1069
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:49,620
that.

1070
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:59,980
I think as time has progressed, I think that calmer heads will prevail here.

1071
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,400
There certainly was an initial response, which we don't need to, you know, go into that.

1072
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:14,300
But it has a lot to do with home rule and interference with the inter-workings of our own city government here.

1073
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:22,520
But Vice Mayor Creil, I do think that a response would be appropriate.

1074
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,020
I think we need an acknowledgement of receiving the letter.

1075
01:30:27,020 --> 01:30:33,980
I think we need, it's a courtesy, I think, to those who submitted that.

1076
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:40,280
I would be hesitant to make any kind of commitment whatsoever to make any changes.

1077
01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:45,640
At the time, Councilman Dawson, there were probably some things I would have preferred

1078
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:52,260
to have changed, and I think we all talked about that that evening, but that's for

1079
01:30:52,260 --> 01:31:00,740
us to decide. And we will and do course if we choose to. But I don't think we want to

1080
01:31:00,740 --> 01:31:06,720
make any sort of commitments in any shape or form to the legislative delegation because

1081
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:12,400
I don't think we owe them a courtesy of response. We don't owe them, you know, much further

1082
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:19,660
than that, frankly. And I agree, Councilman Rolston, we do need to preserve the relationships

1083
01:31:19,660 --> 01:31:27,340
for obvious reasons and it's it's unfortunate this this this happened but but

1084
01:31:27,340 --> 01:31:37,480
I guess we need to pay attention to our diplomacy here too thank you ma'a 60

1085
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:44,820
years ago today was the March on Washington in that March there were

1086
01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:54,160
were black people, white people, Hispanics, no doubt Asians, they were male, female, young,

1087
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,440
and old. Everybody in that march that participated were not

1088
01:32:01,650 --> 01:32:03,030
racially,

1089
01:32:07,980 --> 01:32:09,380
they didn't have racial

1090
01:32:09,380 --> 01:32:17,200
things happen to them. And, but they were there as allies. And the only thing we are

1091
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:24,440
here from my position. I stand by the vote I took. I'm not a member of the LGBTQ plus

1092
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:29,840
community, but I want to be an ally. I want to be an ally to the Jewish community. I want

1093
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:34,480
to be an ally to the Muslim community. I want to be an ally to all communities. And so

1094
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:39,880
the position I took then were the position of many people and they estimate the crowd

1095
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:48,560
of 200,000 60 years ago today and I said at the last meeting when we discussed

1096
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:54,660
this that some of those people no doubt many years ago weren't in my opinion

1097
01:32:54,660 --> 01:32:59,740
it's my opinion weren't on the right side of history that believe that a black

1098
01:32:59,740 --> 01:33:05,580
man couldn't drink from the same water fountain as a white man that a black

1099
01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:13,360
child couldn't sit in the same classroom as a white child. And I said two weeks ago that

1100
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:20,120
when my grandchildren look at this in history, if they ever do, I just want them to say that

1101
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:25,980
GPAT was on the right side of history. I believe that when I voted on that. I believe

1102
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:31,620
that tonight. I don't think anything we did was divisive as that letter states.

1103
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:35,460
I don't like being in anybody's cross hairs.

1104
01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:37,580
I'll make that clear.

1105
01:33:38,540 --> 01:33:42,380
Just using language like that, in my opinion, is what's divisive.

1106
01:33:43,780 --> 01:33:48,100
I understand we have a relationship that we have to protect, and I'm willing to do that.

1107
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:55,200
But I'm one that's inclined to respond.

1108
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:01,580
I sit here and I try to be measured and, you know, we get people saying things from the audience

1109
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:04,200
and I don't think I should go back and forth with them.

1110
01:34:04,340 --> 01:34:08,220
I don't think that's respectful to them as a citizen.

1111
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,340
But I think we should respond.

1112
01:34:11,180 --> 01:34:18,500
It should be measured and it should be direct because, again, we took a vote

1113
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:22,460
unless someone wants to change their vote and I respect you if you do that.

1114
01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:30,640
But again, 60 years ago, this very day, August 28th, 1963, there were over 200,000 people

1115
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:38,220
in Washington, D.C. for that march, a very diverse community, a very diverse population

1116
01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:42,140
at that time in D.C. that went to that march.

1117
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:51,960
And again, they all were not racially profiled or they all weren't told, you can't sit

1118
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,960
here your child can't go there you come through this back door but again there

1119
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:02,200
were allies and so my vote that night and if I had to vote again tonight my vote

1120
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:08,580
would be because I just want to be an ally for all communities thank you anyone

1121
01:35:08,580 --> 01:35:09,740
else wish to make a comment

1122
01:35:11,860 --> 01:35:16,940
so the direction is to craft some type of

1123
01:35:16,940 --> 01:35:22,040
response and would you all like to have a look see and sign it before we send

1124
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:24,740
That's perfectly fine by me.

1125
01:35:24,860 --> 01:35:25,840
I can do it through Genan.

1126
01:35:25,980 --> 01:35:28,640
I mean, there's nothing, I won't put anything regarding the resolution.

1127
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,900
It's just simply received and.

1128
01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:36,520
If you, do you want, are you, maybe I misunderstood.

1129
01:35:36,980 --> 01:35:39,760
Were you asking, does everyone want to sign the letter with you?

1130
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,920
Does everyone want me to craft the letter, craft a response?

1131
01:35:43,260 --> 01:35:45,280
And then yes, they can look at it and sign it.

1132
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:50,840
So we, do you want to send it before the September 7th meeting?

1133
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:51,820
I would like to.

1134
01:35:51,820 --> 01:35:58,480
I think we got that letter a week ago so okay so then yes if you will and we

1135
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:04,780
can send it out absolutely that and now if there are comments then those

1136
01:36:04,780 --> 01:36:11,320
comments need to be made to G&N so that we can make sure that we're not doing

1137
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:18,480
anything but if the general I'd like you to make a motion that you'd like the

1138
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:27,900
to draft it and send it through Genan and if there are any major changes that

1139
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:33,140
those be directed through Genan but once there is a final product that you all

1140
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:38,340
have permission to sign the final product and then what we'll do is put the final

1141
01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:42,380
product as an informational item on the September 7th meeting so that the

1142
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:44,060
public will be able to see it as well

1143
01:36:46,780 --> 01:36:51,840
yes sorry if for some reason one of the

1144
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,800
seven does not want to sign it then what do we do if we just have you do it just

1145
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:05,260
what I would hate to send it and we're not all in agreement and and council

1146
01:37:05,260 --> 01:37:10,920
member Cataldo is not here this evening and he he would need to be able to make

1147
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:16,780
sure that he's comfortable with it as well. So you can either do that or you

1148
01:37:16,780 --> 01:37:21,660
can have the mayor sign on behalf of everyone once it's sent out. Jeanne

1149
01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:26,100
and or myself could make contact with Council Member Cattaldo to make sure

1150
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:32,700
that he understands what has happened. How about we all not sign it but know

1151
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:37,920
that contents in the mayor sending the letter indicate that this is on

1152
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:43,100
behalf of myself and all my fellow councilmembers and it's not going to be

1153
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:48,060
detailed in any way just just a as somebody said just that courtesy of yeah

1154
01:37:48,060 --> 01:37:54,090
the acknowledgement of their letter I'd suggest on with me so Sherry needs a

1155
01:37:54,090 --> 01:38:07,160
motion or Jeanine needs a motion you wrote the letter I moved it we direct

1156
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:17,540
are the mayor to craft an acknowledgement of receipt of the delegation's letter dated

1157
01:38:17,540 --> 01:38:23,940
whatever it was, and that each council member through Jean Ann or our city attorney have

1158
01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:29,280
a chance to review the mayor's draft before it's sent out.

1159
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:30,740
I'll second that.

1160
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:31,600
Council

1161
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:36,600
Member Robson?

1162
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:37,480
Yes.

1163
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:38,560
Council Member Walker?

1164
01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:39,180
Yes.

1165
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:40,980
Council Member Dawson?

1166
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:41,480
Yes.

1167
01:38:42,020 --> 01:38:42,880
Council Member Bryant?

1168
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:43,420
Yes.

1169
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:44,640
Vice Mayor Craio?

1170
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:45,040
Yes.

1171
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:45,980
Mayor Steyer?

1172
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:46,480
Yes.

1173
01:38:47,420 --> 01:38:49,260
Okay, I will take a motion to adjourn.

1174
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,200
So moved.

1175
01:38:50,780 --> 01:38:51,240
Second?

1176
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:51,900
Second.

1177
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:52,760
All in favor?

1178
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:53,620
Aye.

1179
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:53,800
Aye.

1180
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,620
Maybe 745?

1181
01:38:58,780 --> 01:38:59,780
Back for our next meeting.

1182
01:39:16,820 --> 01:39:22,740
Welcome back to the August 20th, I won't say 6.30 but that'd be a lie, budget workshop.

1183
01:39:24,940 --> 01:39:33,640
Our final budget workshop, yeah, it is 7.47 and we're all still here, we don't need a

1184
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:38,580
new and other roll call and we will begin with a budget overview Mr.

1185
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:42,660
Mayor would it be appropriate for the just a brief update?

1186
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:44,040
Come on Steve, I'm sorry.

1187
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,880
Tropical storm update from our EOC team.

1188
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:48,940
Tropical storms.

1189
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:51,420
We just love Annetta so we're going to keep her here all night.

1190
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:52,720
Yeah she loves that.

1191
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:57,080
Okay well I would like to give you a little bit of update on Hurricane Adalia.

1192
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,820
So it's forecasted to move as most of you know forecasted to move up the gulf,

1193
01:40:01,820 --> 01:40:06,560
hit the Big Bend area as a major CAT 3 hurricane,

1194
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:10,120
and we expect this to occur Wednesday morning.

1195
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:13,880
As far as Mount Dora, what we're doing to get ready for it,

1196
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:17,240
we're expecting tropical storm force winds here,

1197
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,800
and so that's what we're planning for.

1198
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,460
They could be strong tropical storm force winds.

1199
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,400
Of course, when you talk about tropical storm force winds,

1200
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:29,940
that's from 39 miles per hour up to 73 miles per hour.

1201
01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,940
So we could get some strong tropical storm force winds here.

1202
01:40:34,900 --> 01:40:38,600
And with that, we're preparing.

1203
01:40:38,860 --> 01:40:39,760
We started today.

1204
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,880
We had our first EOC meeting discussing and starting the plans.

1205
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,280
We're having another meeting tomorrow

1206
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:46,820
to finalize some of the plans.

1207
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,960
We are planning to have a partial open of our EOC

1208
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,100
since it's not a large storm.

1209
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:55,360
We're doing this partial open.

1210
01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:57,800
And we're going to have some folks come in.

1211
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:03,960
They will be coming in Tuesday night, tomorrow night, and working through the morning as we

1212
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:10,320
expect the winds to start to pick up early in the morning and then get really heavy 7,

1213
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:11,400
8 o'clock in the morning.

1214
01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:14,860
Something like that is what we're projecting the winds will be.

1215
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:20,900
So we will be here starting late tomorrow night all the way through the storm and trying

1216
01:41:20,900 --> 01:41:23,760
to respond as quick as we can and get people back in power.

1217
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:29,320
Or we anticipate it being mostly an electrical type issue where you have trees down, wires

1218
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:34,700
down and so forth with the wind blowing and so we will have somebody here ready to respond

1219
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:35,240
for that.

1220
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:37,960
And that's about it if there's any questions.

1221
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,360
Schools are closed on Wednesday, right?

1222
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,680
Schools closed on Wednesday, Lake County offices are closed on Wednesday as well.

1223
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:45,620
And are we open on Wednesday?

1224
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:52,300
We're going to evaluate that after the eight o'clock summary in the morning.

1225
01:41:52,300 --> 01:41:56,760
And highly likely we anticipate we'll be looking at that Wednesday as well, but we'll make

1226
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,240
that determination with the team.

1227
01:41:59,280 --> 01:41:59,860
Got it.

1228
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:00,460
Thanks, Steve.

1229
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:09,460
Steve, any projections for that moving to the right of the event area, meaning we would

1230
01:42:09,460 --> 01:42:09,940
be in the cone?

1231
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,100
Well, it could shift.

1232
01:42:12,420 --> 01:42:15,800
Right now, it's tending to shift the other direction, which is good news, because it's

1233
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:16,680
tending to shift north.

1234
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:23,200
North, and the last couple of notices that have gone out, it has shifted more to the

1235
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:23,480
North.

1236
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:29,060
But it could, there is a shift, and that is why we have to be ready because it could

1237
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:34,180
shift and cause higher winds and more difficulty for us.

1238
01:42:34,300 --> 01:42:38,440
And we are on the better side as it were of that, I take it, as I remember, correct.

1239
01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:39,780
The left side is a little loose.

1240
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:42,300
No, we are on the bad side.

1241
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:42,840
Oh, okay.

1242
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:43,420
Minority.

1243
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:44,700
We are on the bad side of it.

1244
01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:48,160
So it's the northeast quadrant of the storm that's usually the worst.

1245
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,940
And so that can spawn tornadoes as well.

1246
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,460
They're still likely for some tornadoes.

1247
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:55,820
Thank you.

1248
01:42:58,340 --> 01:42:58,800
OK,

1249
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:06,880
so this is our last budget workshop.

1250
01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:11,340
So if you have any questions, just stop me as I go through it and just shoot away.

1251
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,060
So, we're going to go over our budget overview.

1252
01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:18,800
We're going to go over our general fund.

1253
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,560
It's going to be just a short summary.

1254
01:43:21,620 --> 01:43:27,200
Some of the position budgeting so you can kind of have idea of what was added to the budget

1255
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:27,720
or removed.

1256
01:43:28,420 --> 01:43:31,920
We're going to talk about other general government, enterprise funds.

1257
01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:38,060
We touch up on the capital outlays and CIPs and then we go through the next processes

1258
01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:38,940
in the budget.

1259
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:51,600
So this is our overview, obviously our biggest fund is the general fund with 30,379,903, it's 23% of our total budget.

1260
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:56,160
The second biggest one is the capital project fund.

1261
01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:06,440
We also have Northeast CRA because of the project that we are going to start and our water and wastewater utility.

1262
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:11,480
The total budget is 131,522,350.

1263
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:19,560
I balance this budget with our current millitrate of 5.9603 mils.

1264
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,640
But there is some monies that we're pulling from fund balance to balance it at that level.

1265
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:31,700
So general fund revenues, the majority of the revenues coming from our ad valorem tax,

1266
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:40,660
tax, of course. It's $10,215,000. We have also sales and use taxes. Our indirect cost allocation,

1267
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:46,860
I'm going to go through a little bit of more details in a minute. Rafteles was helping

1268
01:44:46,860 --> 01:44:51,280
us evaluate that cost allocation, so I'm just going to give you a little update on that.

1269
01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:56,680
the ROI, the Intergovernmental Transfers that we do,

1270
01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:59,760
all the transfers, charges for service.

1271
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:07,920
This pilot fund balance, as you can see, the $681,370 is what I'm pulling from fund balance

1272
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:18,880
this year. We have also other miscellaneous revenues, total of $30,379,903. Here's the

1273
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:24,560
indirect cost allocation. That was last year. You have directed me to review that. We should

1274
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,020
be doing those every five years.

1275
01:45:26,780 --> 01:45:29,540
So we did go through this process.

1276
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,860
In direct cost allocation, those are the monies

1277
01:45:32,860 --> 01:45:37,300
that other enterprise funds, paying us in general fund

1278
01:45:37,300 --> 01:45:39,020
for services we provide for them.

1279
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:41,340
So that's your finance, that's your HR,

1280
01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:45,620
that's your planning department, warehouse,

1281
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,040
and all the other support services

1282
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,240
that we do for all those enterprise funds.

1283
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:52,200
This is very common.

1284
01:45:52,740 --> 01:45:53,960
This is not unique to Moundora.

1285
01:45:54,960 --> 01:46:00,520
All the businesses do that because there is huge administrative burden of splitting every

1286
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:06,240
person that works for those funds 50 different ways, so therefore we do discuss allocation

1287
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,200
to make that accounting much easier for ourselves.

1288
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:21,520
The allocation goes down by $364,000 roughly, $364,000 from last year.

1289
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,720
That means that that much less money is received in general fund.

1290
01:46:25,380 --> 01:46:30,820
And the reasons are mainly it's associated with the employees that work for this fund.

1291
01:46:30,860 --> 01:46:35,360
Maybe we remove positions like we remove one of the clerks position.

1292
01:46:35,660 --> 01:46:38,780
Now it's all adding up with all the different employees.

1293
01:46:38,780 --> 01:46:44,020
We have reviewed how many purchase orders we do, how many other things we support those

1294
01:46:44,020 --> 01:46:44,420
funds.

1295
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:49,060
Therefore, the allocation was decreased a little bit.

1296
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:56,080
If we have more detailed questions about that, I can bring Raftelis in to explain you exactly

1297
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,960
the whole process, how it is to create this allocation.

1298
01:47:01,660 --> 01:47:04,120
But that was not really something that R.C.

1299
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:10,100
I just wanted to go into details, so unless you tell me otherwise, I think if you have

1300
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:14,120
any detailed questions, and I won't be able to answer, we can ask them to come in to the

1301
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,080
next meeting and explain that to you, if that's what you wish to do.

1302
01:47:18,420 --> 01:47:19,860
Any questions on that?

1303
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:22,040
Okay.

1304
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:24,000
Yeah, go for it.

1305
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:25,760
Later one question, Annetta.

1306
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:26,320
Yes.

1307
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:33,620
To make this all balanced, and I couldn't find it right now, but I think it was

1308
01:47:33,620 --> 01:47:38,440
It's like 681,000 that's being pulled from reserve fund balance.

1309
01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:47,120
Is our percentage of fund balance, I mean I'm assuming we're still fine, but did that

1310
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:48,040
change anything?

1311
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:48,580
Yes.

1312
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:55,620
So, yes, so we are required by our current resolution to have 17% of our operating budget

1313
01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:57,500
in fund balance, and we're still meeting that.

1314
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:02,440
Actually on the meeting, I think it was last meeting when we have auditors, they

1315
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:07,240
said that we actually have a little bit more fund balance than we should because our current

1316
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:14,260
resolution says that we can have between 70 and 25, which in my personal opinion and my

1317
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:18,960
experience with other municipalities, that should be at least 25 percent because you

1318
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:25,760
can see when we have our last hurricane, it took over $1.1 million in costs, which

1319
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,540
I'm still waiting for FEMA to reimburse.

1320
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:33,620
so one small hurricane like the Ian could cost us a little bit over million

1321
01:48:33,620 --> 01:48:37,260
dollars so you always want to have this money in the fund balance to use for

1322
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:41,800
things like that but by me pulling this money's up it does not really make that

1323
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:46,300
much change in the fund balance percentage we are still at our minimum

1324
01:48:46,300 --> 01:48:51,000
required so I can't pull anything unless I have my minimum required in

1325
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:57,180
there and right now it's 17% so we're will be okay pulling those funds it's

1326
01:48:57,180 --> 01:49:03,700
It's not ideal situation because what you typically want to do, you want to, as part of like operating

1327
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:07,920
budget, you want to ensure that you collect enough taxes to pay for your operations.

1328
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:10,400
That's your ideal situation.

1329
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,360
You don't want to pull money from fund balance every single year because you do pleading

1330
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,120
this fund balance that it's there for a reason.

1331
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:20,680
At times like these, we have only really few choices.

1332
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:27,080
We can increase the military to 6.1 mils, which is our maximum as we establish on our meeting.

1333
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:33,980
We can reduce some of the possibly capital projects.

1334
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:40,560
Really, those are removed the raises from employees.

1335
01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:45,580
We can do a lot of manipulation here to reduce it, but something will have to get cut.

1336
01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:50,980
So I have either option to pull from fund balance to get us to the next fiscal year or we can

1337
01:49:50,980 --> 01:49:52,880
do a combination of those other things.

1338
01:49:53,420 --> 01:50:00,430
Right now we are okay pulling the 681,000 knots from fund balance to balance this budget

1339
01:50:00,430 --> 01:50:00,950
this year.

1340
01:50:01,410 --> 01:50:08,330
And so that leaves us, I think you said this will be about 17 percent, but you'd like

1341
01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:10,510
to see us get up to the 25 percent.

1342
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:14,770
Yes, because it's something that we should think about when we do those things that

1343
01:50:14,770 --> 01:50:16,930
that we should probably keep this balance a little higher.

1344
01:50:17,850 --> 01:50:18,950
This is just my opinion.

1345
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:21,970
This is not something, a lot of municipalities

1346
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:25,710
have 25% the minimum balance,

1347
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:27,830
and they don't actually establish the maximum.

1348
01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:29,790
They only have a minimum,

1349
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:31,370
because that's what really is required.

1350
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:32,150
So if you have extra,

1351
01:50:32,570 --> 01:50:34,950
it's always good to have for special projects

1352
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:35,850
that maybe come up,

1353
01:50:35,890 --> 01:50:38,030
or like we have one of the,

1354
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:39,290
we have that sinkhole,

1355
01:50:39,790 --> 01:50:40,690
I don't know if it's sinkhole,

1356
01:50:40,710 --> 01:50:42,850
but we have this big issue with the EM

1357
01:50:42,850 --> 01:50:46,810
that was roughly $877,000 crater that got created.

1358
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:49,750
It was something that we have to, as a CD,

1359
01:50:50,110 --> 01:50:52,190
have ensured that we have money for those kind of things

1360
01:50:52,190 --> 01:50:55,690
because FEMA is, they remember us, we got money obligated.

1361
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:59,010
There is a big lack in time between when you receive

1362
01:50:59,010 --> 01:51:00,230
actually those funds from them.

1363
01:51:00,710 --> 01:51:03,130
So we need to protect ourselves in some ways.

1364
01:51:04,210 --> 01:51:06,530
Can I ask, while we're talking about General Fund,

1365
01:51:06,990 --> 01:51:08,650
so at the August 15th meeting,

1366
01:51:08,770 --> 01:51:10,570
it was the General Consensus of Council

1367
01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:15,550
to move forward with a vision plan as one of the residents brought up and so I mentioned it to Patrick

1368
01:51:15,550 --> 01:51:22,750
and he said that it costs about 250 or $300,000 to do a vision plan and that would come from general

1369
01:51:22,750 --> 01:51:27,630
funds so it wasn't in there. It wasn't part of that? No. I just got the email from Patrick maybe

1370
01:51:27,630 --> 01:51:31,070
a few days ago when this actually went out already and I didn't want to make changes. I

1371
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:36,910
want to get all your information and make it just once. So that will be in addition to the

1372
01:51:36,910 --> 01:51:39,190
$681,000 if we want to do it.

1373
01:51:39,770 --> 01:51:42,170
He actually suggested to put half of a million dollars.

1374
01:51:42,650 --> 01:51:45,670
So that's gonna be roughly $1.1 million

1375
01:51:45,670 --> 01:51:47,050
pulling from fund balance.

1376
01:51:48,610 --> 01:51:49,350
Thank you.

1377
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:55,930
I'll have questions later on when you get to the salary.

1378
01:51:56,450 --> 01:51:57,870
Okay, so general fund.

1379
01:51:58,970 --> 01:52:02,630
So here is just showing you how we divide

1380
01:52:02,630 --> 01:52:05,710
our general fund by different categories.

1381
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:07,370
So this is personal services.

1382
01:52:07,370 --> 01:52:10,450
This is obviously the biggest piece of our city, we have a lot of employees.

1383
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:16,170
The second biggest one is our operating and then it goes down from there for transfer

1384
01:52:16,170 --> 01:52:16,690
to capital.

1385
01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:20,190
So we have roughly $2.5 million worth of project this year.

1386
01:52:20,910 --> 01:52:26,190
Tax increment, it's what we have to pay to our CRAs because how the money is collected,

1387
01:52:26,630 --> 01:52:31,630
it comes from the taxes to the city and then the city has obligation to write a

1388
01:52:31,630 --> 01:52:35,570
check to North East CRA and the CRA, which is total $1.4 million.

1389
01:52:35,570 --> 01:52:43,190
We're spending $765,000 on capital outlays, and then we have our debt service obligation,

1390
01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:51,130
and we have grants and aides, and those are the monies that we have for the chambers,

1391
01:52:51,650 --> 01:52:58,190
for our food pantry, and those activities that maybe throughout the year you want

1392
01:52:58,190 --> 01:52:59,310
to support.

1393
01:52:59,310 --> 01:53:02,390
So, that's where the Grants and Aids piece comes from.

1394
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:04,310
Okay.

1395
01:53:06,130 --> 01:53:07,370
Any questions here? No.

1396
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:09,610
So, this is the position budgeting.

1397
01:53:10,510 --> 01:53:12,990
Quite frankly, I can't really speak to it.

1398
01:53:13,190 --> 01:53:16,890
This is not in my preview to make those decisions.

1399
01:53:17,210 --> 01:53:19,110
So, that's really, if you have any questions,

1400
01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:21,890
I can show you what we have approved in the budget

1401
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:23,010
and what was declined.

1402
01:53:23,590 --> 01:53:25,550
But if you need to know any more details,

1403
01:53:25,730 --> 01:53:26,970
I think when Patrick gets back,

1404
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:31,050
I think it will be opportunity for you to discuss with him because I don't really know

1405
01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:31,530
the reasoning.

1406
01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:35,750
In terms of the term position budgeting, is that employees?

1407
01:53:36,130 --> 01:53:36,350
Yes.

1408
01:53:36,530 --> 01:53:36,850
Thank you.

1409
01:53:36,970 --> 01:53:37,150
Yes.

1410
01:53:37,570 --> 01:53:38,410
So we have a finance.

1411
01:53:38,650 --> 01:53:41,150
We have added the purchasing coordinator position.

1412
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:42,690
It's actually added this year.

1413
01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:48,590
I'm going to extend the offer to person after Patrick approves that.

1414
01:53:49,570 --> 01:53:53,570
We have changed the aquatics lady.

1415
01:53:53,890 --> 01:53:54,310
I'm not sure.

1416
01:53:54,310 --> 01:54:00,330
the person that does aquatics from going from part time to full time. We have added the full

1417
01:54:00,330 --> 01:54:09,650
time detective to police and I have been asked to add also the code enforcement person. Right now,

1418
01:54:09,710 --> 01:54:15,610
that position is split 50-50 with water and wastewater. It might be something that we

1419
01:54:15,610 --> 01:54:19,950
might change if needed, but right now that's how it's in the budget. And then we have the

1420
01:54:19,950 --> 01:54:25,130
other positions from parks and recreation, police and fire that got declined. Yes, sir?

1421
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:27,110
Over

1422
01:54:30,340 --> 01:54:44,760
the course of the last month or more, I have heard about, usually from various second-hand

1423
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:52,600
sources, the number of unfilled slots that currently exist in our city, positions,

1424
01:54:55,860 --> 01:55:00,060
And I validated that with you and I want to go through that.

1425
01:55:00,340 --> 01:55:04,300
Sure. I actually make some copies if you guys want to go through this, so hold on.

1426
01:55:04,700 --> 01:55:08,680
So while you're passing that out, let me share this with you and the public.

1427
01:55:09,980 --> 01:55:19,260
The following departments have been budgeted for staff positions but have not been fulfilled.

1428
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:28,460
We budgeted them a year ago, if I'm correct, and they've been withheld, I'm assuming by

1429
01:55:28,460 --> 01:55:29,680
our city manager, is that correct?

1430
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,100
So I think there will be a combination of things.

1431
01:55:34,820 --> 01:55:37,300
I am not sure why can we hire those positions.

1432
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:44,460
I can only imagine that some of it is the salary requirements of the new people that

1433
01:55:44,460 --> 01:55:45,620
are looking for jobs.

1434
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:52,900
Some of it is possibly withholding some of those positions for some reason.

1435
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:53,780
I'm not sure.

1436
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:56,260
That's pretty subtle, but I think I understand.

1437
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:57,100
Yes.

1438
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:59,520
So this is what we have opened right now.

1439
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,200
So we have unfilled positions in the city.

1440
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:03,080
So let me go through that.

1441
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:11,520
The police department is 12 short, and if they have 48 employees, that's 25 percent

1442
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:12,460
right on the nose.

1443
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:18,920
water and wastewater are six staff people short that were budgeted by this

1444
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:24,640
council. Roads and streets and storm waters five short, Parks and Rec four

1445
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:32,520
short, information technology two, library two, building two, fire two, public

1446
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:38,760
relations one, finance one, human resources one, planning one, and the

1447
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:44,980
and the project manager one that totals 40 unfilled staff positions that this

1448
01:56:44,980 --> 01:56:53,560
council if I understand it correctly has approved for hiring and if if the

1449
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:58,800
main reason is and by the way my view I could I'm only one but my view is if we

1450
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:03,460
budget for the hiring of position we think it's important because it's a

1451
01:57:03,460 --> 01:57:07,620
policy position that we take that we want that to be hired and if they're

1452
01:57:07,620 --> 01:57:12,140
not hired, we would expect, at least I would expect, somebody would come back to me and

1453
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:18,300
to us and say, well, I can't fill this position or these positions because of XYZ, we're short

1454
01:57:18,300 --> 01:57:19,620
of money or whatever it might be.

1455
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:27,940
And so that's a big time concern for me when I found that out.

1456
01:57:27,940 --> 01:57:35,740
it was, I would say I was not more than surprised, shocked maybe, that we have

1457
01:57:35,740 --> 01:57:44,840
40 staff slots that are not filled. And some of them may be for valid reasons,

1458
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:51,060
but my understanding is, it's only my understanding, is that they are used as

1459
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:58,540
leverage by the city manager or by somebody to say I don't want to fill

1460
01:57:58,540 --> 01:58:03,220
that position because whatever and we don't even hear about it. And here we

1461
01:58:03,220 --> 01:58:08,580
are one month left of the fiscal year and there are 40 short that haven't been

1462
01:58:08,580 --> 01:58:15,260
hired that we approved a year 11 months ago. I would like to know from our city

1463
01:58:15,260 --> 01:58:25,300
manager if he can share why we have that many unfilled positions that are a surprise to me.

1464
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:29,360
I don't know about it. I'm not sure any of us here know about it,

1465
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:35,940
that there are that large a group that we've approved and are not filled.

1466
01:58:36,540 --> 01:58:40,900
And I just like to know why. Now he's not here. I wish he was. I did not know until

1467
01:58:40,900 --> 01:58:44,760
I read an email yesterday, I guess, was that he's not here.

1468
01:58:45,380 --> 01:58:55,360
So I'm not being critical, except what's the explanation for why 40 slots, 25% of our police

1469
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:02,460
department is unfilled that we said please fill as a policy in our budget process.

1470
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:11,880
And if it's to save money, the chief has to, just using the police chief as an example,

1471
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:18,900
he has to fund, he has to spend time and over time, time and a half over time with his regular

1472
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:21,480
employees and that's not saving money.

1473
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:29,420
And I just, it escapes me why we don't know about that, why I don't know about

1474
01:59:29,420 --> 01:59:38,340
at least, and I would like to have some explanation, and so if you can convey that or somebody or

1475
01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:43,640
the mayor can convey that to him when he comes back, I'd like to have a response to that at

1476
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:48,080
a council meeting as to why, maybe at the final budget hearing, or sooner, hopefully.

1477
01:59:48,620 --> 01:59:51,700
Yeah, maybe on September 7th, when we have the first reading.

1478
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:52,460
That'd be great.

1479
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:52,820
And?

1480
01:59:53,300 --> 01:59:54,800
I'm sorry, I don't have an answer for you.

1481
01:59:54,900 --> 01:59:55,220
Of course.

1482
01:59:55,220 --> 01:59:59,960
And of course I know, and I, the, one more, one more comment if I'm...

1483
02:00:00,850 --> 02:00:11,610
Um, if it's, if it's to save money and in order to, we have spent money we shouldn't be spending

1484
02:00:11,610 --> 02:00:20,730
perhaps when, other than funding these staff positions, directors can't manage without appropriate

1485
02:00:20,730 --> 02:00:28,830
at staff. I'm appalled that our police chief is 25 staff short, 25% short, 12 staff.

1486
02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:32,370
In

1487
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:38,530
my department standpoint he's no special, more special than anybody else, but the point

1488
02:00:38,530 --> 02:00:43,360
is all staff if you go through this are short for some reason. Now if the staff have come

1489
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:51,320
and told the manager or you, I don't need to fill this one. I understand that, but we

1490
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:58,600
should still know about it because it's deviating from our policy budget and I don't think anybody

1491
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:03,360
has the authority to tweak our budget without the council. It's the council's budget.

1492
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:12,980
So let's keep that in mind. I think that's another issue that concerns me. I keep

1493
02:01:12,980 --> 02:01:20,620
I hate to ramble on but you can tell this was a big time surprise to me and I need some

1494
02:01:20,620 --> 02:01:26,140
answers at least I need them or I think this council should have them because he's deviating

1495
02:01:26,140 --> 02:01:31,460
from our council orders that is our policy and we don't know about it.

1496
02:01:31,860 --> 02:01:32,460
Vice Mayor Crow.

1497
02:01:32,900 --> 02:01:36,920
Now I'm going to take some exception to what you said Mr. Ralson.

1498
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:44,200
And our police chief has brought initiatives to City Council in the past several months

1499
02:01:44,490 --> 02:01:52,460
to help us recruit police officers to fill these positions, the tuition and so on and

1500
02:01:52,460 --> 02:01:52,960
so forth.

1501
02:01:54,600 --> 02:02:03,500
I think there isn't a business owner or an employer in town that isn't struggling to

1502
02:02:03,500 --> 02:02:11,220
to find and fill positions at the restaurant, at the store, at the whatever.

1503
02:02:11,980 --> 02:02:13,060
So some of this is,

1504
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:22,480
some may be as you assert, but some may also be that there aren't a whole

1505
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:30,740
lot of people that are anxious to become a police officer given the climate, the danger,

1506
02:02:30,940 --> 02:02:33,200
the pay and so on and so forth.

1507
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:41,280
So I agree, we should have a report, but I don't think we got to go so far as to make

1508
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:46,220
accusation that these are being purposely unfilled.

1509
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:49,360
Okay, that's a good point, Vice Mayor.

1510
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:51,900
But I'd add this.

1511
02:02:54,080 --> 02:03:00,600
If there isn't going to be unfilled positions for any valid reasons, am I the only one

1512
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:05,460
that thinks that the city council doesn't need to know about that since we created the policy

1513
02:03:05,460 --> 02:03:11,200
that is the budget. I know there should be flexibility in the departments. I think that's

1514
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:22,940
a good idea. But 40 positions, 16 or 18 percent of the entire staff of 400 and 200 and whatever.

1515
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:27,800
You know, who's someone who's out there trying to hire professionals. I don't find

1516
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:32,420
this surprising, 16% especially in this market. And then when we were at the

1517
02:03:32,420 --> 02:03:40,380
League of Cities two to three weeks ago, they had, I forget what his name was, but

1518
02:03:40,380 --> 02:03:45,460
he was talking about AI. And one thing that he pointed out is when you're

1519
02:03:45,460 --> 02:03:52,080
dealing with city local governments, is they don't pay as much as the private

1520
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:56,400
industry and that's where people are going. So if I had a choice

1521
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:02,460
between a city salary or in the private industry, I'm going to go to the private industry.

1522
02:04:02,620 --> 02:04:07,440
So I think we have to think about those things as well, and it's happening everywhere.

1523
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,520
We have very low unemployment in this country.

1524
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:15,060
And the first place people are going to go, they're going to go to the private industry,

1525
02:04:15,060 --> 02:04:16,660
not into public.

1526
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:23,500
I agree with both of you, by the way, but I think that all I ask is, why?

1527
02:04:24,420 --> 02:04:30,240
should we not have some way of knowing that we're 40 short and here's why when

1528
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:35,320
we're coming upon another budget year or should that be just a surprise to us? I

1529
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:39,800
don't know. It seems to me we ought to know and from what I'm hearing by some

1530
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:48,300
of the directors it's it's not because it's city versus private industry but

1531
02:04:48,300 --> 02:04:55,790
who knows but at least we should have a report. I'd like to know what I'd like

1532
02:04:55,790 --> 02:05:01,690
to know why and I think we as a council since it's our budget deserve to know why that what

1533
02:05:01,690 --> 02:05:06,450
is that a million dollars for all of that or half a million dollars for all of that I don't

1534
02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:14,870
know what the total may be it's certainly in the hundreds of thousands okay thank you

1535
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:23,290
that's all I had so this is our general fund it's by division so I group some of the

1536
02:05:23,290 --> 02:05:28,730
division, so this is not such a long report, but we have legislative, the support services,

1537
02:05:28,810 --> 02:05:34,130
which is your HR, your finance, team, IT. We have leisure services, library, planning,

1538
02:05:34,530 --> 02:05:40,550
and development, law enforcement, fire protection, public works, and then we have this other

1539
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:45,930
general government, which is other general government, which is everything else, which

1540
02:05:45,930 --> 02:05:50,290
doesn't classify to everything else. It's one big pile, so you can see that it's

1541
02:05:50,290 --> 02:05:57,570
the same as you saw on the previous charts, it's $30,379,903. It just split a little different

1542
02:05:57,570 --> 02:06:01,190
way to just give you a different direction of how you're looking at the data.

1543
02:06:02,670 --> 02:06:09,730
Special revenue funds, let's see. I'll go back for a second here for the general fund.

1544
02:06:12,690 --> 02:06:18,270
So one thing that we did in this year is we moved all the software to IT budgets

1545
02:06:18,270 --> 02:06:24,770
So, we have control over some of the software that we are acquiring with all the new rules

1546
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:27,290
we have for security.

1547
02:06:27,950 --> 02:06:31,490
It is nice to have IT looking at these things in the beginning.

1548
02:06:31,810 --> 02:06:35,050
So we move all the software from all the other departments into IT's budget.

1549
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:41,190
So if you see that IT's budget went tremendously up, some of that software got shifted around.

1550
02:06:42,630 --> 02:06:49,030
And also, one of the things I have in the budget already program since I heard some of you talking

1551
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:56,730
on the previous meetings, I have a personal percentage, I move it from 3% raises to 5%.

1552
02:06:56,730 --> 02:06:59,290
We can always move it down if that's what you want.

1553
02:06:59,370 --> 02:07:05,870
But I think I got on last few meetings, I kind of got more of your support to do 5%.

1554
02:07:06,610 --> 02:07:10,410
If you want to change that, we can also lower that if that's what you want to do.

1555
02:07:10,410 --> 02:07:11,730
if you see that fit.

1556
02:07:12,730 --> 02:07:15,070
So those are the changes that I made since we talked.

1557
02:07:15,530 --> 02:07:16,850
I'd keep it at 5%.

1558
02:07:23,010 --> 02:07:23,450
Absolutely.

1559
02:07:23,890 --> 02:07:26,570
So that's what I thought kind of read the room the last meeting,

1560
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:28,470
but I just want to tell you that I actually incorporated

1561
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:30,250
what you asked for in this budget.

1562
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:33,330
Special revenue funds.

1563
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:36,250
So those are others are discretionary sales tax,

1564
02:07:36,330 --> 02:07:39,790
which is one of the biggest funds we have.

1565
02:07:40,270 --> 02:07:42,710
Then CRAs, of course, regular CRA,

1566
02:07:42,710 --> 02:07:48,730
North DCRA, we have a building division, police impact fees, fire impact, library, parks impact,

1567
02:07:49,250 --> 02:07:54,650
those are restricted. Our fire assessment fee, I just want to tell you that since we talked last,

1568
02:07:55,330 --> 02:08:01,570
I have, we approved 219, but I lowered it to 209 to be the same as last year because we don't

1569
02:08:01,570 --> 02:08:06,010
really need the extra funding unless you see that this is something you want to keep at 219.

1570
02:08:06,850 --> 02:08:10,610
Last year we have a 209, so I went back to what we have last year just like I did with

1571
02:08:10,610 --> 02:08:14,390
the military, so I just kept things the same as previous years.

1572
02:08:15,970 --> 02:08:20,950
So that's already incorporated in the budget, if that's what I kind of heard on the meeting

1573
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:23,850
as well, that we want to keep those things the same.

1574
02:08:26,690 --> 02:08:31,290
Next meeting on September 7, we're going to approve our final resolution for that,

1575
02:08:31,370 --> 02:08:35,850
so I just want to make sure that 209 is still what we want to keep it as from last

1576
02:08:35,850 --> 02:08:36,130
time.

1577
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:45,970
And then the only other thing I have changed here a little bit around since our last meeting,

1578
02:08:46,990 --> 02:08:50,230
the CRAs, the indirect cost allocation, changed a little bit.

1579
02:08:50,450 --> 02:08:53,690
It's actually lower, so I incorporated that in the CRA.

1580
02:08:55,730 --> 02:09:00,710
And we have quite a bit of an increase in our discretionary sales tax.

1581
02:09:01,730 --> 02:09:07,670
I have initially, you're going to see on the later on the slides on the discretionary sales tax.

1582
02:09:08,030 --> 02:09:12,770
We had their police vehicles. I kind of moved things around a little bit

1583
02:09:12,770 --> 02:09:17,730
because we want to have a $2 million worth of money for our project for Donnelly Street.

1584
02:09:18,110 --> 02:09:23,650
So I moved those vehicles to General Fund and I will be paying for them from our internal service fund,

1585
02:09:23,650 --> 02:09:31,750
which is our vehicle replacement fund to then to leave them roughly $500,000 for

1586
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:34,810
Donnelly Street and the addition so the whole project can be paid from the

1587
02:09:34,810 --> 02:09:38,710
discretionary sales tax so this was just a little housekeeping we still having

1588
02:09:38,710 --> 02:09:42,130
those projects in it's just how the funding source can be shifted that's

1589
02:09:42,130 --> 02:09:45,890
part of what I do I make sure that we can use the more restricted funding

1590
02:09:45,890 --> 02:09:49,810
for more restricted items and less restrictive for things we actually feel

1591
02:09:49,810 --> 02:09:54,430
like using it. So that was a little shuffer, but I want to disclose that for you as well.

1592
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:04,020
Our enterprise funds, there was the only changes where the indirect cost allocation change,

1593
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:11,260
the personal adjustment that I have made, impact fees that are paying the same on those

1594
02:10:11,260 --> 02:10:17,980
funds. One thing I want to mention to you is the sanitation utility. So this is our

1595
02:10:17,980 --> 02:10:25,680
garbage pickup. Since we don't approve those rates till normally end of November, December

1596
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:30,580
timeframe, I'm going to review this. I believe that we need to increase the rates slightly.

1597
02:10:31,100 --> 02:10:37,860
I do not know exactly what the rates are going to be from waste management, but at that

1598
02:10:37,860 --> 02:10:44,480
time we review it. So if I need extra dollars at that time, we then going to update the

1599
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:49,800
budget as well. Right now, I just don't know what the rates are, so I can make those big

1600
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:53,740
adjustments, but I think we're going to have to increase that rate. So just heads up for

1601
02:10:53,740 --> 02:10:53,940
that.

1602
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:59,760
So I understand under the contract with waste management, they can adjust it upward based

1603
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:00,380
on percentage?

1604
02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:08,140
Correct. I think they have up to 3% part of their contract. I also, there is a smaller

1605
02:11:08,140 --> 02:11:12,580
piece that we also keeping in that fund for operation of that fund. This year,

1606
02:11:12,580 --> 02:11:17,840
There's one of the things that you see the general fund increase because I moved the positions

1607
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,420
from that to general fund.

1608
02:11:19,980 --> 02:11:27,360
So therefore, leave us some wiggle room with money for that fund to be to ensure that we

1609
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:28,620
have fund balances and everything.

1610
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:29,560
It's kosher there.

1611
02:11:29,900 --> 02:11:31,060
I have to make some little adjustments.

1612
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:34,260
I think we're going to have to increase slightly that percentage that we keep for

1613
02:11:34,260 --> 02:11:37,140
ourselves in that fund to make it work.

1614
02:11:37,460 --> 02:11:41,160
But if I need those rates first to come in so I can make that math.

1615
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:46,600
Now, stormwater utility, there is actually change.

1616
02:11:46,820 --> 02:11:48,200
I already know we're going to have an issue.

1617
02:11:49,260 --> 02:11:51,940
We have our rate right now, it's $15.50.

1618
02:11:52,500 --> 02:11:56,660
I have discussed it with Patrick and we believe we're going to have to increase it.

1619
02:11:57,380 --> 02:12:06,680
Right now in the budget, I have increased, 15% increase, which is $17.83, but it might

1620
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:08,020
go to upwards of $20.

1621
02:12:08,020 --> 02:12:13,360
dollars. One of the reasons why we remove also employees from that fund and move them

1622
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:18,760
to general fund, we have a big adjustment there. It's because we're trying to not increase

1623
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:24,100
this rate dramatically and also have built up some funds for all the projects that

1624
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:29,500
need to be done with our store model system. So that's the reason why we have to make

1625
02:12:29,500 --> 02:12:33,560
those kind of adjustments and have a little bit more hit on general fund this year.

1626
02:12:33,560 --> 02:12:37,200
And that's why we have to pull all the funds from fund balance to balance.

1627
02:12:37,700 --> 02:12:43,500
So there is a few things that we're doing here to ensure those other funds are also solvent.

1628
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:51,600
So that $2.6 million in stormwater includes already that increase, obviously given you

1629
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:55,080
approve it in January when we take those rates out to you.

1630
02:12:56,120 --> 02:12:58,920
If not, we will adjust the budget accordingly as well.

1631
02:13:00,870 --> 02:13:08,090
Internal service funds, yes, so I didn't do much changes here.

1632
02:13:08,830 --> 02:13:10,610
The self-insurance increased.

1633
02:13:11,410 --> 02:13:18,890
I did have meetings with our insurance company, this is health insurance, because we are partially

1634
02:13:18,890 --> 02:13:19,570
self-insured.

1635
02:13:19,730 --> 02:13:24,510
We pay a fee to have a stop loss, but we also have, we pay our claims.

1636
02:13:25,190 --> 02:13:30,970
This current fiscal year, there has been a huge uptick on claims.

1637
02:13:32,770 --> 02:13:34,390
This is something that is typical.

1638
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:39,390
You have meetings with our actuaries for health insurance, which was very educational.

1639
02:13:39,770 --> 02:13:41,370
I have learned how the insurance works now.

1640
02:13:42,430 --> 02:13:44,650
And that is you always have a good years and you have a bad years.

1641
02:13:44,850 --> 02:13:46,210
We are hit those bad years right now.

1642
02:13:46,730 --> 02:13:50,170
The projection is that it's going to continue for another two years.

1643
02:13:51,930 --> 02:13:56,370
Those are actuaries, they know a little more than I do about the markets and they also see

1644
02:13:56,370 --> 02:14:01,950
our claims so that insurance is going to go up yet again why I have to adjust the general

1645
02:14:01,950 --> 02:14:06,390
fund because that's where the majority of employees are to cover expenses, those increases

1646
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:07,070
in expenses.

1647
02:14:07,890 --> 02:14:14,270
So those are our increases this year, unfortunately it is the market, the health costs increased

1648
02:14:14,270 --> 02:14:14,850
dramatically.

1649
02:14:14,850 --> 02:14:19,950
It's not only just our case went up, but also cost of help is much higher.

1650
02:14:20,970 --> 02:14:26,610
So that was one of the things that I have to change here since last our budget meeting.

1651
02:14:26,930 --> 02:14:33,310
And then the vehicle replacement fund will pay for the vehicles for police department

1652
02:14:33,310 --> 02:14:33,830
this year.

1653
02:14:34,990 --> 02:14:37,090
That's the whole reason why we have this fund.

1654
02:14:37,850 --> 02:14:41,730
For the years that we can accommodate them in regular budget, we use those funds

1655
02:14:41,730 --> 02:14:45,570
to pay for the vehicle replacement, because we have to replace the vehicles when they

1656
02:14:46,130 --> 02:14:48,290
are no longer in good shape to be used.

1657
02:14:48,630 --> 02:14:53,810
So this is just, this is typical how it's done, we're not doing anything unusual here.

1658
02:14:56,220 --> 02:14:57,460
So that's service.

1659
02:14:57,720 --> 02:14:59,980
So this is all our...

1660
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,860
That's that we have to pay. So this is very boring, a lot of information, but it's all

1661
02:15:05,860 --> 02:15:12,400
our bonds and other SRF loans, payments. So you can see two of the loans are paid by CRA,

1662
02:15:12,860 --> 02:15:17,600
rest of them are paid by Gena fund. You can see $1.9 million, roughly. And then enterprise

1663
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:24,300
funds have their own respective, those are mainly, let's see, I think all of them

1664
02:15:24,300 --> 02:15:28,640
water and waste water and it's roughly 1.5 million dollars so if you add those

1665
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:33,240
together we have the payments for of 3.5 million dollars a year and it's our

1666
02:15:33,240 --> 02:15:39,600
outstanding of 68 million dollars still to go so this is our that this is very

1667
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:47,300
boring information here capital so I have put on this presentation only

1668
02:15:47,300 --> 02:15:50,480
general fund because it's always a hot topic but I also give you those

1669
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:57,000
little guys and that has everything so since I mainly want to talk about general

1670
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:02,540
fund when it's the most it comes from the taxes which it's high topic so as you

1671
02:16:02,540 --> 02:16:07,320
can see nothing changed since last meeting the last you can see those

1672
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:12,100
hybrid vehicles for police and then upfitting for the police vehicle and

1673
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:16,540
two hybrid small pickup trucks beginning as spurs from the warehouse

1674
02:16:16,540 --> 02:16:21,300
all those going to be paid by our Vehicle Replacement Fund this year that's

1675
02:16:21,300 --> 02:16:27,680
just how it was changed since last time we talked about so this is the change

1676
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:36,900
from that everything else stayed the same let's see I have oh no tasers so we

1677
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:43,720
have decided that our tasers you can see that 37,893 actually I discussed

1678
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:48,720
us with CHEV and there is an option of having a payment plan, which that's what we're going

1679
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:49,260
to go with.

1680
02:16:49,380 --> 02:16:56,480
Instead of paying $250,000 upfront, we can pay roughly $40,000 a year for next five years,

1681
02:16:57,500 --> 02:17:01,920
which this is the option we chose to do for this year's budget because $250,000 is quite

1682
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:02,480
a bit of money.

1683
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:03,380
What's the interest rate?

1684
02:17:03,700 --> 02:17:04,540
There is no interest rate.

1685
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,200
No, this is just how the company does it.

1686
02:17:07,380 --> 02:17:11,480
It's fairly easy to do and it's not like a loan.

1687
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:12,180
Makes sense.

1688
02:17:12,180 --> 02:17:15,540
Yeah, so they do this for a lot of other municipalities, I guess.

1689
02:17:16,020 --> 02:17:18,920
Yeah, I guess, so yeah, they don't show it's separate.

1690
02:17:20,620 --> 02:17:22,460
But it's roughly $40,000 a year.

1691
02:17:22,740 --> 02:17:24,800
So that's what we chose to do here.

1692
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:27,440
Any other questions?

1693
02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:34,100
We have, let's see, the body and vehicle camera updates.

1694
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:36,500
Upgrades still going to go from our discretionary cell

1695
02:17:36,500 --> 02:17:38,420
stats, the library collection from library.

1696
02:17:38,740 --> 02:17:40,680
We have the fire assessments going

1697
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:45,480
to pay for all the fire stuff and then we have the fire impact we'll pay for the jet

1698
02:17:45,480 --> 02:17:51,360
ski, the watercraft, which it's expansion of service, which it's allowed. This is

1699
02:17:51,360 --> 02:17:54,340
something we don't have right now so it's a new service we as a city gonna

1700
02:17:54,340 --> 02:17:59,500
provide so it's all fine to be paid by impact fees and all the other items are

1701
02:17:59,500 --> 02:18:08,860
staying the same. Question on that? A number third, fourth line, CRA, future

1702
02:18:08,860 --> 02:18:12,900
your phases for the downtown streetscape of 350,000.

1703
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:17,460
Is that put in a pot of some kind

1704
02:18:17,460 --> 02:18:19,480
to save for an eventually have enough money

1705
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:21,720
to do the fourth streetscape?

1706
02:18:22,980 --> 02:18:24,020
It's just design.

1707
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:26,000
It's all Adams budget.

1708
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:28,200
All right.

1709
02:18:29,320 --> 02:18:30,000
Very good.

1710
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:30,880
Thank you for that answer.

1711
02:18:31,820 --> 02:18:32,120
Sorry.

1712
02:18:32,660 --> 02:18:33,780
Did we go off of?

1713
02:18:33,880 --> 02:18:34,540
Yes, we did.

1714
02:18:34,900 --> 02:18:35,380
Capital Outlet?

1715
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:35,620
Yes.

1716
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:46,940
The very last thing on your little guys list, the small street sweeper for $210,000, I mean I know you've worked hard to get this to balance.

1717
02:18:47,260 --> 02:18:56,400
I know that for a fact because of our prior budget workshops and I just, I mean, if it helps, I would be in support of not purchasing that street sweeper at this time.

1718
02:18:57,180 --> 02:19:02,520
I mean, we just bought a Mac Daddy street sweeper. I saw it yesterday for the first time. It's a limo.

1719
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:09,280
It was $331,000 so I just you know in light of raising fees for other things

1720
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:17,460
and I mean I realize that goes to a different fund but I would be in

1721
02:19:17,460 --> 02:19:22,480
support of wiping that out to help with you know our expenses in the stormwater

1722
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:22,760
fee.

1723
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:31,660
We're trying to get – we tried to have two street sweepers, right?

1724
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,340
And didn't – aren't we retiring a street sweeper?

1725
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:35,840
Yes.

1726
02:19:35,960 --> 02:19:39,820
The one that we currently have, we have to retire because it's been a challenge to

1727
02:19:39,820 --> 02:19:44,280
keep it up running, and it's quite expensive to keep preparing, from my understanding.

1728
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:50,380
That's just what I recall, is we were just trying to – we're not increasing the

1729
02:19:50,380 --> 02:19:51,440
number of street sweepers.

1730
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:53,860
We just retired one and replaced it.

1731
02:19:54,220 --> 02:19:55,100
No, no, no.

1732
02:19:55,100 --> 02:19:55,840
This is an additional.

1733
02:19:56,180 --> 02:19:56,920
This one is additional.

1734
02:19:57,340 --> 02:19:58,040
This is a small one.

1735
02:19:58,060 --> 02:20:00,240
The one that we have right now, we're retiring.

1736
02:20:00,740 --> 02:20:00,760
Yes.

1737
02:20:01,140 --> 02:20:02,020
So right now we have two.

1738
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:04,780
We have an old Street Sweeper and the new one

1739
02:20:04,780 --> 02:20:05,520
that we just purchased.

1740
02:20:06,540 --> 02:20:08,640
One of them goes away because it's old

1741
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:09,680
and needs to be replaced.

1742
02:20:09,960 --> 02:20:11,700
And then we will have this as an addition,

1743
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:14,160
a smaller version that can fit in smaller places.

1744
02:20:14,500 --> 02:20:15,180
So we'll have two.

1745
02:20:15,580 --> 02:20:15,720
Yes.

1746
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:17,420
Which is what we've had, right?

1747
02:20:18,020 --> 02:20:19,380
No, we only have one right now.

1748
02:20:19,780 --> 02:20:19,900
Yeah.

1749
02:20:21,460 --> 02:20:25,600
So just because we're struggling to meet stormwater, I mean, it's $210,000.

1750
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:27,340
So I have an option for you.

1751
02:20:27,620 --> 02:20:29,520
So I will leave it for now.

1752
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:30,640
It's in the budget.

1753
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,980
If you don't want to purchase it, we still have to get your permission to purchase.

1754
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:41,840
So I will say when we get to our rate review of our rates in November, when I know a little

1755
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:47,240
bit more information and we actually voting for rates, at that time I can give you

1756
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:53,060
a little example of if we remove that item of 210, it's going to go down by whatever that

1757
02:20:53,060 --> 02:20:55,300
number might be at that time when we have all the numbers.

1758
02:20:55,880 --> 02:20:59,980
If you promise to be here to remind us of that, I will make a deal with you.

1759
02:21:00,500 --> 02:21:02,580
The minutes are being taken.

1760
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,160
I will be here to take a look for you.

1761
02:21:08,260 --> 02:21:16,560
We should also have asked either Patrick or preferably the department head himself

1762
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:19,920
to give us their comments as to why because they're the ones that want it in

1763
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:25,620
there but I I can find good reason to support them from the mayor's position

1764
02:21:25,620 --> 02:21:30,940
too but I'd like to hear from the department head. Mayor quick question on

1765
02:21:30,940 --> 02:21:36,120
that though. Yeah. I'll use your phrase the Mac Daddy. Can the Mac Daddy

1766
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:42,180
maneuver downtown as a smaller one could? My understanding it will go to the

1767
02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:47,960
big one right now goes to downtown so I'm guessing it does. I'm just I don't know

1768
02:21:47,960 --> 02:21:53,080
the small one what it's different than the other one. The reason why is the

1769
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:57,520
smaller one you don't need a special driver's license to drive it so anyone

1770
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:00,740
could drive it I guess is my understanding what Patrick explained to me.

1771
02:22:01,460 --> 02:22:06,360
Where if you drive the big one you need a special CDL. So there's a

1772
02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:09,760
position on the on the budget positioning there was a part-time

1773
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:14,660
street sweeper driver under stormwater so that's that's another expense if we have

1774
02:22:14,660 --> 02:22:19,160
a second unless we need it anyway for the for the original guy I don't know the

1775
02:22:19,160 --> 02:22:22,420
guy's name who drives it now but I know it's only one guy yeah we have a person

1776
02:22:22,420 --> 02:22:26,600
now that is full time I believe yes he's got to be full time away that runs yeah

1777
02:22:26,600 --> 02:22:31,380
and then there is a bud yeah there is a position for part time position for this

1778
02:22:31,380 --> 02:22:36,800
the smaller street sweeper while we're on the stormwater conversation

1779
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:39,980
because I was thinking when you went on but it's okay that we move the

1780
02:22:39,980 --> 02:22:44,240
positions just to general fund just to help the bound because I feel like we're

1781
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:48,900
just like your sanitation conversation or like your yes because we have that

1782
02:22:48,900 --> 02:22:53,440
indirect cost allocation and as I spoke to Raf tell us I we explained to them

1783
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:56,220
that the employees gonna be there but their function are still gonna be

1784
02:22:56,220 --> 02:23:05,020
split you can actually I believe go to this but you can see that our storm

1785
02:23:05,020 --> 02:23:10,800
water, the increase to accommodate for that portion. I just don't need to physically split

1786
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:16,420
each person 25%. It's done by that cost allocation. And you can see in stormwater it increased

1787
02:23:16,420 --> 02:23:24,440
about roughly $200,000. So that as we going through those indirect cost allocation, those

1788
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:28,020
are things that I tell them and then they build it in to make sure that I'm still

1789
02:23:28,020 --> 02:23:31,720
covered. I just don't need to physically split every person. So there is some money

1790
02:23:31,720 --> 02:23:37,480
that it's exchange is just not showing that this position is 75% here and 25% in some different

1791
02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:37,740
way.

1792
02:23:38,380 --> 02:23:44,380
So we still accommodate having some of the payout for those jobs to general fund is just in

1793
02:23:44,380 --> 02:23:44,880
different form.

1794
02:23:45,220 --> 02:23:45,340
Okay.

1795
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:50,020
Yes.

1796
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:51,340
So this is all the changes.

1797
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:53,080
Any other questions?

1798
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:58,960
Is the fire chief, is your roof training thing on here?

1799
02:23:59,780 --> 02:24:03,840
The thing you first was in it, is that the 85,000, the fire event mobile unit?

1800
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:05,080
Okay, thank you.

1801
02:24:09,150 --> 02:24:10,030
Just making sure you're awake.

1802
02:24:13,370 --> 02:24:17,410
Okay, so the capital outlay. So this is our CIPs now.

1803
02:24:18,350 --> 02:24:23,770
So this is our general CIP, so you can...

1804
02:24:23,770 --> 02:24:25,410
I have one here so I can see better.

1805
02:24:29,560 --> 02:24:36,280
There was... I have made all the changes that you guys suggested at our last workshop.

1806
02:24:37,360 --> 02:24:42,220
CRA and Northeast CRA are budgets, so they're just typical how they do things.

1807
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:47,140
I believe we have added public

1808
02:24:51,270 --> 02:24:56,410
works that $100,000 of Eleven Avenue Pedestrian and

1809
02:24:56,410 --> 02:25:00,090
Traffic Comic Solution, Sylvan to Hilltop Engineering Only.

1810
02:25:00,630 --> 02:25:03,690
I have added that. That was requested for me to add.

1811
02:25:03,690 --> 02:25:11,370
so that was the addition to budget and I

1812
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:17,350
think and then Frank Brown Park

1813
02:25:17,350 --> 02:25:24,930
renovation was also added since last budget and I think that those are the

1814
02:25:24,930 --> 02:25:31,150
only two projects that got added to the to this list. If we're budgeting $100,000

1815
02:25:31,150 --> 02:25:35,270
for the 11th Avenue pedestrian and traffic calming that will come to us

1816
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:37,710
before we spend any money, right?

1817
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:38,550
Yes.

1818
02:25:39,010 --> 02:25:41,370
Even though it's engineering only, it will come to us?

1819
02:25:42,250 --> 02:25:44,890
Yeah, because there has to be some contract

1820
02:25:44,890 --> 02:25:46,970
correct to do this work, so yes.

1821
02:25:47,210 --> 02:25:48,870
It's over the city manager's limitation.

1822
02:25:49,550 --> 02:25:50,090
Right, yes.

1823
02:25:50,470 --> 02:25:54,010
And there is another million dollars

1824
02:25:54,010 --> 02:25:56,930
for the following year to finish that.

1825
02:25:57,150 --> 02:25:59,010
So this is, we're paying $100,000 for engineering,

1826
02:25:59,250 --> 02:26:01,190
and then we're gonna need to find another million dollars

1827
02:26:01,190 --> 02:26:04,430
next year to do this, whatever that is.

1828
02:26:04,430 --> 02:26:12,290
Was the Frank Brown renovation addition taken out or not included and just added on later

1829
02:26:12,290 --> 02:26:13,370
because I thought it was out?

1830
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:15,970
Yes, that's what I added.

1831
02:26:16,170 --> 02:26:18,050
The Frank Brown renovation, the 481.

1832
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:24,070
There will be grant money that's going to pay for that and because there's expansion

1833
02:26:24,070 --> 02:26:27,570
there will be portion of that's going to be also paid by impact fees.

1834
02:26:27,830 --> 02:26:30,670
So there will be split between general fund and those other funding sources.

1835
02:26:30,830 --> 02:26:31,130
Very good.

1836
02:26:31,130 --> 02:26:36,890
And, Troy, that's a good number.

1837
02:26:40,150 --> 02:26:47,670
Some of us looked at that area, and it's really pathetic and needs significant improvement.

1838
02:26:47,770 --> 02:26:50,550
If I'm correctly remembering our tour, okay.

1839
02:26:51,770 --> 02:26:56,830
Yeah, and also, this morning I spoke with Kathy Landy and at the Simpson Farmhouse

1840
02:26:56,830 --> 02:26:57,430
Expansion.

1841
02:26:57,570 --> 02:26:58,930
The 15,000 is going to be removed.

1842
02:26:58,930 --> 02:27:02,270
she won't need that so I'm also gonna remove that from the budget I just

1843
02:27:02,270 --> 02:27:05,850
didn't have a chance since this morning to I want to tell you about that change as

1844
02:27:05,850 --> 02:27:13,120
well. So that's the changes. Kathy you're okay with that?

1845
02:27:15,460 --> 02:27:16,820
So can I leave this the

1846
02:27:16,820 --> 02:27:17,820
way it is?

1847
02:27:20,500 --> 02:27:29,050
So now we have electric it there was no changes everything it's

1848
02:27:29,050 --> 02:27:32,890
like as we talked on July 10 meeting as everything has been incorporated in the

1849
02:27:32,890 --> 02:27:41,550
budget already. Waste water and water. I think there was a change. Just give me one second.

1850
02:27:43,690 --> 02:27:49,370
So I have changed the name of the wastewater treatment plan to project to RIPs because apparently

1851
02:27:49,370 --> 02:27:55,010
that means something to somebody I don't really know what that is. I just know that it needed

1852
02:27:55,010 --> 02:28:04,090
to be there and then also let's see and we added the water treatment plant one

1853
02:28:04,090 --> 02:28:09,710
high-speed service pump replacement to that so those are the little changes

1854
02:28:09,710 --> 02:28:15,410
that I made yeah this is it so we have five point nine million dollars worth of

1855
02:28:15,410 --> 02:28:19,610
project in in capital and they've been already incorporated in the budget so

1856
02:28:19,610 --> 02:28:22,430
So they're all okay to be done.

1857
02:28:22,830 --> 02:28:34,070
So I have a concern about, we just passed some ordinances, first reading with regard to the

1858
02:28:35,010 --> 02:28:37,950
groves which we all unanimously support.

1859
02:28:38,970 --> 02:28:46,550
And part of that is the need to work hard at making sure we don't run short of water

1860
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:49,710
and wastewater, especially wastewater issues.

1861
02:28:50,090 --> 02:28:55,710
And so my suggestion I can defer to our acting city manager,

1862
02:28:55,790 --> 02:29:00,350
but my suggestion is that we consider at our next meeting,

1863
02:29:01,190 --> 02:29:08,710
giving some direction to maybe on the hearing on the 31st,

1864
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:13,770
to add a mirroring of the wastewater treatment plant number 2

1865
02:29:13,770 --> 02:29:16,310
to increase and essentially double the capacity,

1866
02:29:16,310 --> 02:29:20,930
which has been in the plans anyway for what a year or more, and we need to start doing

1867
02:29:20,930 --> 02:29:26,070
that now because it's going to be another year or two years rather before we have the

1868
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:28,410
water capacity and wastewater capacity.

1869
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:35,370
So I think we need to start the discussion and start the motions to have that capacity,

1870
02:29:35,770 --> 02:29:39,110
that wastewater number two doubled in capacity.

1871
02:29:39,710 --> 02:29:45,610
And we could use, as we talked about last time, bond funds and so forth to do that.

1872
02:29:45,610 --> 02:29:52,090
Yes, so I do have a in the five-year plan. So not this current not this 23 24 by the 24 25

1873
02:29:52,930 --> 02:29:59,970
Roughly 30 million dollars for me roaring with a plant. I'm guessing it's gonna be higher, but I'm not quite sure what exactly I was

1874
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:04,960
Should we start now? Yeah, they could be considerably higher for some discussions around

1875
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:14,580
50, 55 million. There's a baseline. Okay. So shouldn't we start, shouldn't we start this

1876
02:30:14,580 --> 02:30:19,740
budget year to put that in our plans? Would it help if it were in our plans for grant

1877
02:30:19,740 --> 02:30:24,360
money as well? Is there any grant money? It would help us with the study on the wastewater

1878
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:30,300
by Raffa-Tellis is currently conducting an impact-by-study rate and basing it on

1879
02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:38,740
capital improvement capacity enhancements to the wastewater so yeah I also think

1880
02:30:38,740 --> 02:30:42,520
we are working heavily on that alternative water plan for the wastewater

1881
02:30:42,520 --> 02:30:48,780
one and I that's just me I don't think we can do all of those things all at

1882
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:53,300
once well it's a big hit there's no doubt about that are there any other

1883
02:30:53,300 --> 02:31:01,800
ways Mr. Acting Manager to do that George can you get some Mr. America

1884
02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:08,280
Public Works Director utilities guru yeah I share your concern about the

1885
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:13,540
wastewater capacity and I would just want to let you know that we already have

1886
02:31:13,540 --> 02:31:18,820
a study underway we've hired Kimmy Horn to produce a study for us they're

1887
02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:25,680
looking at a five- to 20-year horizon, considering all the future development activity that can

1888
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:32,480
occur as I say outside the Beltway, you know, towards the Innovation District, and we'll

1889
02:31:32,480 --> 02:31:38,360
be expecting a report from them. Probably not too many months from now. They'll be

1890
02:31:38,360 --> 02:31:43,020
coming back and telling us, well, do we need to mirror the plant? Do we need to put

1891
02:31:43,020 --> 02:31:47,940
a plant in a different location? Can we get by with the smaller incremental improvements

1892
02:31:47,940 --> 02:31:53,280
over time, they're going to look at the broad span of what we can do and make recommendations

1893
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:53,860
to us.

1894
02:31:53,980 --> 02:31:58,240
And then those are the figures that we'll eventually take to RAF tell us to do the impact

1895
02:31:58,240 --> 02:31:59,040
via justice.

1896
02:31:59,420 --> 02:32:05,400
So depending on that, we could wait until we get that report and if we need to amend

1897
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:08,900
the budget to do so, we can do it at that time once we know what the direction is

1898
02:32:08,900 --> 02:32:09,100
better.

1899
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:13,240
We're paying good money for that report and we'd like to be able to rely upon

1900
02:32:13,240 --> 02:32:15,460
it for good decision making.

1901
02:32:16,060 --> 02:32:21,420
My only point is we need to get ahead of the curve on that, and it sounds like you agree

1902
02:32:21,420 --> 02:32:27,860
with that, so I can understand waiting to let study comes in, but I'm sure we'll look

1903
02:32:27,860 --> 02:32:31,400
forward to your recommendation and to the copy of the study so we can see what that

1904
02:32:31,400 --> 02:32:31,580
is.

1905
02:32:31,740 --> 02:32:31,900
Right.

1906
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:39,480
George, while you're there, can I change the subject to the Udora Roundabout Utility

1907
02:32:39,480 --> 02:32:48,500
relocation just timing-wise, so that'll be take place in the new fiscal year, the round

1908
02:32:48,500 --> 02:32:49,240
about itself.

1909
02:32:49,800 --> 02:32:54,720
Do you think the county will, once we've relocated the utilities, maybe the next year?

1910
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:55,480
No.

1911
02:32:55,780 --> 02:33:00,380
And let's understand the counties, unless the county has changed anything unbeknownst

1912
02:33:00,380 --> 02:33:00,680
to me.

1913
02:33:01,340 --> 02:33:06,680
Their plan is to have a contractor on board shortly after October 1st of this year

1914
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:09,280
and then proceed to construction.

1915
02:33:10,260 --> 02:33:13,840
We've committed so many funds to the relocation.

1916
02:33:14,300 --> 02:33:16,800
We're on the hook if it's more than that.

1917
02:33:17,460 --> 02:33:20,620
If it's less than that, we're not going to get charged that much.

1918
02:33:20,820 --> 02:33:25,340
But in this instance, instead of doing the relocation ourselves with our own contractor,

1919
02:33:25,980 --> 02:33:31,660
we'll be giving the county the funds so that they can pay out their contractor to do the work.

1920
02:33:31,660 --> 02:33:37,360
So, that will just be an early stage of the whole project that probably will take place

1921
02:33:37,360 --> 02:33:38,300
in the fiscal year.

1922
02:33:38,580 --> 02:33:41,860
That will typically happen first before the roundabout is completed.

1923
02:33:41,940 --> 02:33:42,900
That's good news.

1924
02:33:43,260 --> 02:33:43,400
All right.

1925
02:33:43,560 --> 02:33:45,740
Last I saw they were planning to start in January.

1926
02:33:46,140 --> 02:33:47,640
Actual construction in January.

1927
02:33:48,040 --> 02:33:49,120
And completion in the summer.

1928
02:33:49,620 --> 02:33:55,680
Sometimes they get a little behind the traffic light on Brit Road and...

1929
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:55,900
All right.

1930
02:33:56,420 --> 02:34:01,040
George, can I go back to the last topic, which was Kimley Horn?

1931
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:05,840
Is there another city where they have completed such a report, a city that was looking to

1932
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:07,200
expand in the different options?

1933
02:34:07,340 --> 02:34:11,040
Is that proprietary information or could you find out?

1934
02:34:11,640 --> 02:34:12,560
I can find out.

1935
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:12,740
Okay.

1936
02:34:12,900 --> 02:34:13,720
I would love to see that.

1937
02:34:13,860 --> 02:34:13,960
Thanks.

1938
02:34:14,300 --> 02:34:14,480
Right.

1939
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:15,020
Thank you.

1940
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:15,460
Okay.

1941
02:34:16,340 --> 02:34:16,960
Thanks George.

1942
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:17,320
All right.

1943
02:34:17,480 --> 02:34:18,060
Thank you.

1944
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:20,920
Kiddook, stormwater.

1945
02:34:21,900 --> 02:34:24,360
So nothing changed since July 10th meeting.

1946
02:34:24,620 --> 02:34:27,240
So those are two stormwater projects that we're going to start.

1947
02:34:27,240 --> 02:34:32,480
This is just engineering costs, and then we'll have some construction costs in 24-25.

1948
02:34:33,260 --> 02:34:38,780
That was the reason why we want to increase the rate to be able to pay for those construction

1949
02:34:38,780 --> 02:34:45,260
projects, the construction next year after that, which is roughly $2.9 million that

1950
02:34:45,260 --> 02:34:48,940
it's projected to be at this time.

1951
02:34:51,480 --> 02:34:51,760
Okay.

1952
02:34:52,920 --> 02:34:54,980
So this is just some budget factors.

1953
02:34:54,980 --> 02:34:59,620
I try to put them all together to kind of give you a gist of what we have spoke for last

1954
02:34:59,620 --> 02:35:00,700
hour over.

1955
02:35:01,580 --> 02:35:06,320
The main factors that created this budget, making this budget a little bit challenging

1956
02:35:06,320 --> 02:35:08,700
was the increases in health insurance costs.

1957
02:35:09,620 --> 02:35:13,980
We updated the indirect cost allocation which lowers some of the portion that's going

1958
02:35:13,980 --> 02:35:14,800
to general fund.

1959
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:20,820
We have moved the stormwater and sanitation employees to general fund, although we still

1960
02:35:20,820 --> 02:35:25,420
get some of the indirect cost allocation monies it still create a problem you know

1961
02:35:25,420 --> 02:35:30,420
let's create an increase in the general fund. I have also eliminated the

1962
02:35:30,420 --> 02:35:35,700
annual vehicle replacement allocation since I'm buying vehicles from that

1963
02:35:35,700 --> 02:35:40,200
fund I'm not gonna put money in there to just take them back again makes no

1964
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:44,360
sense to do that and then our appropriation from fund balance is right

1965
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:52,860
right now, $681,370. If any of the adjustment we need to make, the money is for the COMP

1966
02:35:52,860 --> 02:35:57,840
plan or any other adjustments, that's just going to come from the fund balance unless

1967
02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:06,720
we want to reduce some projects or something like that. But on my next budget meeting,

1968
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:10,740
that's going to be our first public hearing. I just want to stress to you that this

1969
02:36:10,740 --> 02:36:11,740
This is only new money.

1970
02:36:12,460 --> 02:36:18,140
So we try part of our budget process is that we first want to show you what are we collecting

1971
02:36:18,140 --> 02:36:18,980
from tax dollars.

1972
02:36:19,420 --> 02:36:23,760
This is a new money that's coming in every year and versus our operating costs.

1973
02:36:24,280 --> 02:36:27,500
And then on the second budget workshop we want to have all the carryovers.

1974
02:36:27,820 --> 02:36:31,840
So those are the unused funds that from this year will go to the next fiscal year to

1975
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:35,320
accommodate for things we already allocated to be bought.

1976
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:38,420
So we're just going to move them to the next year because we want to expense them

1977
02:36:38,420 --> 02:36:38,840
this year.

1978
02:36:38,840 --> 02:36:44,000
So that's how we kind of split the budget process at two different things to show you how we

1979
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:49,400
can balance money with our revenue and then what's unused we move to the next year to operate.

1980
02:36:50,580 --> 02:36:56,360
This has been done for maybe 20 years of City of Maldora, so I continue doing the same thing

1981
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:56,760
here.

1982
02:36:57,620 --> 02:37:03,160
And those meetings are on Thursdays, not Tuesday, it's a little change, so don't show up

1983
02:37:03,160 --> 02:37:04,400
on Tuesday, just on Thursday.

1984
02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:06,540
That's all I have.

1985
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:09,950
Anything, anyone?

1986
02:37:09,950 --> 02:37:20,250
Just a comment, as usual, for the wonderful work you do to teach us what we can and can't

1987
02:37:20,250 --> 02:37:25,690
and shouldn't and shouldn't do, should or shouldn't do, and the wonderful time you

1988
02:37:25,690 --> 02:37:31,650
take to put all that together for us with Rita and everybody else that is participating

1989
02:37:31,650 --> 02:37:32,910
in your office.

1990
02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:37,090
It's a marvelous thing in my opinion that you do and I'm grateful.

1991
02:37:37,090 --> 02:37:48,050
And I also wish our EOC coordinator, Eve, and our police department, fire department, the

1992
02:37:48,050 --> 02:37:51,870
best wishes for the storm coming up, we'll be thinking of you.

1993
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:52,530
Thank you.

1994
02:37:54,190 --> 02:37:54,750
Mayor.

1995
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:55,110
Okay.

1996
02:37:59,480 --> 02:38:04,800
I also wanted to thank you and your team for all the hours and hours of hard work

1997
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:08,080
and listening and so on.

1998
02:38:09,780 --> 02:38:21,530
And I guess just to comment, I am so thankful that you and manager and everybody else understands

1999
02:38:23,390 --> 02:38:35,450
that the big inflation number over the past year absolutely required more than a typical

2000
02:38:35,450 --> 02:38:44,730
cost of living increase over the years is probably 3%. Some years 3% is more than the

2001
02:38:44,730 --> 02:38:50,030
rate of inflation. Think about during the pandemic and so on, nobody was going anywhere,

2002
02:38:50,350 --> 02:38:57,310
there was nowhere to spend money, interest rates were crazy low. 3% was a bit of a

2003
02:38:57,310 --> 02:39:04,570
bonus. But this past year has absolutely required that we do more and I think that

2004
02:39:04,570 --> 02:39:05,810
It was very good planning.

2005
02:39:07,370 --> 02:39:10,430
Hopefully we won't have to do it again for another 15 years.

2006
02:39:10,770 --> 02:39:13,210
But thank you for making that happen.

2007
02:39:13,370 --> 02:39:17,410
That's very important to Mr. Ralfson's point

2008
02:39:17,410 --> 02:39:23,090
before, to keep our great staff members in place.

2009
02:39:23,390 --> 02:39:26,250
It's so much better to do that than to try

2010
02:39:26,250 --> 02:39:30,890
to get new people who also expect higher wages and better

2011
02:39:30,890 --> 02:39:32,210
benefits and things like that.

2012
02:39:32,210 --> 02:39:35,290
So that was very crucial and good planning.

2013
02:39:35,870 --> 02:39:35,990
Thanks.

2014
02:39:36,250 --> 02:39:36,670
Thank you.

2015
02:39:37,050 --> 02:39:37,290
Mr. Walker?

2016
02:39:38,090 --> 02:39:41,090
Just like to echo those comments from Councilman Rawson

2017
02:39:41,090 --> 02:39:41,930
and Vice Mayor Krill.

2018
02:39:42,330 --> 02:39:43,170
But I did have a question.

2019
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:46,550
The 5% increase, is that top to bottom?

2020
02:39:47,450 --> 02:39:48,570
Yes, so we...

2021
02:39:48,570 --> 02:39:49,450
The directors and everyone?

2022
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:50,010
Yes.

2023
02:39:50,730 --> 02:39:51,130
Thank you.

2024
02:39:52,450 --> 02:39:55,030
There is also CD manager discretion

2025
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:58,190
to possibly do what he see fit as well,

2026
02:39:58,250 --> 02:40:00,550
but that's what we agree upon right now

2027
02:40:00,550 --> 02:40:05,250
that we're gonna put across the board 5% and that's what is there in the budget

2028
02:40:05,250 --> 02:40:11,270
right now. That does the police and fire have separate contracts and that's a

2029
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:16,230
little different. Correct so they're they're gonna negotiate to whatever that

2030
02:40:17,130 --> 02:40:23,350
bargaining agreement is and then we will adjust those accordingly. I just

2031
02:40:23,350 --> 02:40:28,430
want to say why I have the mic that this is not just another it's a lot

2032
02:40:28,430 --> 02:40:34,270
of work from the department heads. It's been challenging year. There's a lot of things

2033
02:40:34,270 --> 02:40:40,870
that we hit straight head on with increases in salaries and things that we see in the

2034
02:40:40,870 --> 02:40:46,270
budget that there was a lot of cutting going on. So I just want to say thank you to all

2035
02:40:46,730 --> 02:40:50,990
my directors for helping me getting through this because it's been challenging year.

2036
02:40:50,990 --> 02:40:59,370
So we're here. We're all hopefully all will be good. And I just want to say thank you to them because without them

2037
02:40:59,370 --> 02:41:01,490
I won't be able to put this all together. So, thanks.

2038
02:41:01,830 --> 02:41:03,530
Absolutely. Well, thank you because you're here.

2039
02:41:04,190 --> 02:41:04,670
Thanks.

2040
02:41:05,470 --> 02:41:06,350
Thank you, everyone.

2041
02:41:07,130 --> 02:41:10,090
Okay, Mr. Acting City Manager, we have one more.

2042
02:41:10,490 --> 02:41:11,370
Moving on.

2043
02:41:11,630 --> 02:41:14,170
Yeah. Right. It's your show. Go for it.

2044
02:41:15,810 --> 02:41:16,290
Oh.

2045
02:41:16,290 --> 02:41:24,730
This summer has a PowerPoint presentation of the, this is an opportunity, she will drive

2046
02:41:24,730 --> 02:41:27,510
the speed limit shuttle topic.

2047
02:41:27,950 --> 02:41:30,630
This PowerPoint packet is wonderful.

2048
02:41:31,090 --> 02:41:35,310
You can see various options and it really highlights of what the city can do if we

2049
02:41:35,310 --> 02:41:43,470
look at some shuttling and some transportation opportunities to evaluate the downtown parking

2050
02:41:43,470 --> 02:41:45,490
needs and opportunities.

2051
02:41:45,490 --> 02:41:51,030
So, at this point, the summer is going to go over the PowerPoint and maybe give some

2052
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:57,650
feedback, opportunities for grants or how we want to feel this topic, thumbs up, thumbs

2053
02:41:57,650 --> 02:42:00,290
down, move forward with it or that and so forth.

2054
02:42:00,510 --> 02:42:01,990
No further ado, grand finale.

2055
02:42:02,490 --> 02:42:02,970
Thank you.

2056
02:42:03,310 --> 02:42:07,050
Just a correction, there is no PowerPoint.

2057
02:42:07,310 --> 02:42:11,050
Those were your attachments, so I won't do that to you at this hour.

2058
02:42:12,170 --> 02:42:22,170
So is it too late to talk shuttle service that's what that's a real question and good evening misty summer director of economic development and public information.

2059
02:42:22,470 --> 02:42:34,190
So as you may recall the downtown parking study suggests the city implement a shuttle service between downtown and our fringe areas to encourage the use of all of our parking resources.

2060
02:42:34,190 --> 02:42:34,410
services.

2061
02:42:34,930 --> 02:42:40,810
So a little history, talking of shuttle services is not a new topic.

2062
02:42:41,490 --> 02:42:46,570
We, you know, tried a golf shuttle pilot program in the past.

2063
02:42:46,730 --> 02:42:48,170
We had a great group of volunteers.

2064
02:42:48,810 --> 02:42:57,430
We've also put out several RFPs for both shuttle and valley services that were unfortunately

2065
02:42:57,430 --> 02:43:02,250
the return on investment just wasn't there quite expensive, so we moved on.

2066
02:43:02,250 --> 02:43:07,990
So what's changed? Why are we here tonight talking about it? So the local

2067
02:43:07,990 --> 02:43:12,750
trolley company approached staff and asked if the city was still interested in

2068
02:43:12,750 --> 02:43:18,090
offering a shuttle service. Because of this local interest, staff would be

2069
02:43:18,090 --> 02:43:23,550
willing to put out another RFP to request bids, you know, through a formal

2070
02:43:23,550 --> 02:43:29,730
solicitation for a one-year pilot shuttle program to operate one trolley

2071
02:43:29,730 --> 02:43:37,190
every Saturday from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m.. Now this would have the option to enter

2072
02:43:37,190 --> 02:43:42,950
into a multi-year contract should the pilot program be successful. So that's

2073
02:43:42,950 --> 02:43:48,390
option 1A. Now again that's just one day a week. So if we start talking about

2074
02:43:48,390 --> 02:43:53,090
multiple days. Saturday is not enough. Let's include Friday, Sunday. At some

2075
02:43:53,090 --> 02:43:58,570
point we have we look at the bigger picture. Is it time to buy a trolley? So

2076
02:43:58,570 --> 02:44:01,530
So I made a couple phone calls, that's in your option 1B.

2077
02:44:03,030 --> 02:44:06,290
The cost is approximately $207,000.

2078
02:44:06,990 --> 02:44:09,990
That is for an ADA gas trolley.

2079
02:44:10,430 --> 02:44:15,110
I want to emphasize gas because I did inquire

2080
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:18,550
a bell in electric trolley, and that's in the millions.

2081
02:44:19,050 --> 02:44:21,510
So not including the battery and charging.

2082
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:23,930
So I kind of compromised.

2083
02:44:23,930 --> 02:44:30,830
I know our brand is, you know, indicative of sustainability, but I feel like we don't

2084
02:44:30,830 --> 02:44:33,550
go diesel and not so much on electric.

2085
02:44:34,030 --> 02:44:36,450
The gas is a fair compromise in that regard.

2086
02:44:36,850 --> 02:44:38,230
Anyhow, I digress.

2087
02:44:38,910 --> 02:44:47,570
So that figure does not include the price of drivers, maintenance, fuel, storage, insurance.

2088
02:44:47,930 --> 02:44:49,870
So kind of keep that in mind as well.

2089
02:44:50,850 --> 02:44:56,290
So once I had this information, I say I, it was we, Mr. Komiski, we had a team of people.

2090
02:44:57,470 --> 02:44:59,890
Once we had this information, we reached out to

2091
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,760
the late county office of transit services to see if we could accomplish this same goal

2092
02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:16,880
by adding a additional bus stop. So they agreed to provide one to three 23-foot buses. And I

2093
02:45:16,880 --> 02:45:22,140
say one to three because in the PowerPoint that was an attachment from them, you'll see

2094
02:45:22,140 --> 02:45:28,000
a sample timetable. So that really comes down to what level of service we want to provide,

2095
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:32,340
How quickly we want people to be picked up versus waiting.

2096
02:45:33,640 --> 02:45:39,240
So those would come in around $50 to $100 per hour per vehicle.

2097
02:45:39,900 --> 02:45:44,860
So the estimated total on that is anywhere from $21,000 to have

2098
02:45:44,860 --> 02:45:48,640
one up to $124,000.

2099
02:45:48,640 --> 02:45:51,100
And this is annually for up to three.

2100
02:45:52,100 --> 02:45:56,000
So another service they offer, it's through FreeBee.

2101
02:45:56,000 --> 02:46:02,400
It's an on-demand electric cart or vehicle they had you know that was also included in your packet

2102
02:46:02,400 --> 02:46:07,920
They have different models those come in at around forty dollars per vehicle per hour

2103
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:14,620
So then we're looking at seventeen thousand versus are up to fifty thousand for that option

2104
02:46:15,400 --> 02:46:20,580
So these are both really great options through them the good news is

2105
02:46:20,580 --> 02:46:23,660
we could apply for a grant.

2106
02:46:23,900 --> 02:46:28,220
They agreed to help us apply for an FDOT service development grant.

2107
02:46:28,560 --> 02:46:31,940
It's a 50-50 grant with funding up to three years.

2108
02:46:32,720 --> 02:46:38,320
Now the downside of this is that we wouldn't even be able to submit the application until

2109
02:46:38,320 --> 02:46:39,880
May of 2024.

2110
02:46:40,700 --> 02:46:47,620
And then it's awarded in July of 2025 with implementation in October of 2025.

2111
02:46:47,620 --> 02:46:50,320
So it's a great plan.

2112
02:46:50,740 --> 02:46:53,780
It's just not coming to fruition anytime soon.

2113
02:46:54,580 --> 02:46:59,580
But I did want to note before we open it up for discussion that for all of these options,

2114
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:04,700
you know, again, the estimates I provided are annually for one day.

2115
02:47:05,180 --> 02:47:11,320
So the option to add a number of vehicles, the day of operation, the pickup drop-off

2116
02:47:11,320 --> 02:47:17,020
spots, and also the service boundary area that you've seen in some of the maps, that's

2117
02:47:17,020 --> 02:47:22,600
customizable. So all of the entities involved have agreed, you know, they'd be

2118
02:47:22,600 --> 02:47:26,880
willing to do whatever to accommodate the level of service we're looking to

2119
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:32,620
provide. Unfortunately, someone from the Lake County Transit Office was supposed

2120
02:47:32,620 --> 02:47:37,340
to come this evening. She's under the weather, so I'll do my best to answer any

2121
02:47:37,340 --> 02:47:39,560
questions relative to their programs.

2122
02:47:41,850 --> 02:47:46,090
Vice Mayor Krill. That's good work, Misty.

2123
02:47:46,090 --> 02:47:54,670
What I was thinking was that if the trolley provider, your option 1A,

2124
02:47:56,290 --> 02:48:03,690
if they were, yes, if they, if we could contract with them for a year or two,

2125
02:48:04,110 --> 02:48:10,450
and then move to the final option of getting the grant and so on and so forth,

2126
02:48:10,450 --> 02:48:20,410
with, the vehicles would change, but the service would have practice. The other thing that occurs

2127
02:48:20,410 --> 02:48:25,650
to me is if people are going to be waiting for a shuttle, it's got to come regularly

2128
02:48:26,090 --> 02:48:33,190
and fairly quickly. Nobody wants to stand there for 20 minutes. Where's that shuttle

2129
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:42,350
it's hot out here, it's raining out here or whatever. So I think we better plan on two or three to make

2130
02:48:43,070 --> 02:48:50,830
the schedule reliable and fairly frequent. Thanks.

2131
02:48:53,160 --> 02:48:57,020
Question? Speaking of what and I

2132
02:48:57,020 --> 02:49:04,260
make some good sense our vice mayor mentions to me at least. If they're standing in a parking

2133
02:49:04,260 --> 02:49:11,280
a lot of waiting for a shuttle. Will there be cover for sun and rain and so forth?

2134
02:49:11,720 --> 02:49:18,780
I don't think, I think most of these are either our parking lot or one of the churches. I don't

2135
02:49:18,780 --> 02:49:22,240
believe there's cover. You'll sit in the car and wait for the shuttle to come. Okay.

2136
02:49:22,640 --> 02:49:26,500
I can confirm that for you, but off like I know the one on Highland doesn't.

2137
02:49:26,700 --> 02:49:32,880
The portion of the Baptist Church I don't think will be covered. The Methodist.

2138
02:49:34,560 --> 02:49:36,600
I can't think of one that does, can you?

2139
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:38,200
No, I can't.

2140
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:42,620
We're just thinking of the inclement weather issue, but you just have to sit in your car.

2141
02:49:44,840 --> 02:49:47,060
Do they have an app with these?

2142
02:49:47,660 --> 02:49:49,040
So you can see where they're shut?

2143
02:49:49,100 --> 02:49:51,380
Because I know some cities where I've used these shuttles, these free shuttles.

2144
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:52,700
It'll be there in three minutes.

2145
02:49:52,920 --> 02:49:54,500
You know it shows you're actually on the map.

2146
02:49:54,800 --> 02:49:55,240
Yes.

2147
02:49:55,900 --> 02:50:02,520
So the freebie option through the Office of Transit Services, the freebie option did have that.

2148
02:50:02,520 --> 02:50:05,460
And the app also includes the availability

2149
02:50:05,460 --> 02:50:07,380
for businesses to market.

2150
02:50:07,880 --> 02:50:09,940
So there's ad opportunities there.

2151
02:50:10,740 --> 02:50:14,080
But yeah, it's even, it was very versatile.

2152
02:50:14,360 --> 02:50:16,320
So we could make it kind of how we wanted to.

2153
02:50:16,420 --> 02:50:21,180
It could be on demand or they could run an actual shuttle

2154
02:50:21,180 --> 02:50:22,740
based on specific time.

2155
02:50:22,860 --> 02:50:24,960
So they were really open to a lot of things.

2156
02:50:25,980 --> 02:50:27,660
But yeah, that was the one with the app.

2157
02:50:27,660 --> 02:50:28,780
Mr. Bryant.

2158
02:50:30,680 --> 02:50:38,520
Mr. Yeye, in response to Vice Mayor Creil, I think you were asking about whether or not

2159
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:43,760
the pilot program, you know, could be done for a year or two or whatever, you know,

2160
02:50:43,820 --> 02:50:46,900
to get by and tell there might be time for the grant to come through.

2161
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:54,740
In your discussions with the county, I assume that that conversation was there as far as you said

2162
02:50:54,740 --> 02:50:57,740
their bus service, though, for this interim period of time?

2163
02:50:58,620 --> 02:51:06,280
Yeah, I think that would complicate the grant application.

2164
02:51:06,960 --> 02:51:11,220
So you can't show that there was an existing service and then apply.

2165
02:51:11,660 --> 02:51:14,760
It's more you're applying to have that additional service.

2166
02:51:14,760 --> 02:51:25,440
So, any option, as far as preceding the grant program, could be a problem.

2167
02:51:25,580 --> 02:51:26,160
I don't know.

2168
02:51:26,360 --> 02:51:26,640
I can...