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Good evening. Welcome to the August 20, 2026 meeting of the Matthew Municipal and Regional Planning Commission meeting.

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Our first item up on our agenda tonight will be to set our agenda. I do have one change and one request.

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Item 9F, which is reviewed the site plan for Willow Creek Garden in home, located at 32-15 North

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Mount Gilt Road, will be pulled from the agenda per the applicants request.

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And we found it on here for a number, just wanted to see it because we had seen this

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I wanted to see if there would be any objection to taking 9B, read the site plan for MSR

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Plasma.

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Okay, 3-0-0-7, Northbound, do a road moving that to the Consent Agenda, looks like we debated

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over that one three different meetings and looks like we kind of wanted it to, my opinion.

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Would there be any objection to moving that over to the Consent, very well.

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we'll hopefully that'll help move us forward a little bit. We will be moving 9B to the consent agenda.

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Any other changes, amendments?

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We'll set the agenda as stated.

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Next item up, we'll be our staff reports. We'll begin with our city planner.

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Mr. Jones?

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Yes, sir.

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Look, I have anything to add.

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All right, nothing interesting.

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Everything is running fast and efficient and as planned.

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Triumph.

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Absolutely.

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Jayney's there for public works.

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Yes.

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I'll keep it quick.

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We had the pre-construction meeting for our storm water project.

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That's been funded through the utility.

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We got to do some utility decrepliction, but we're getting the wheels of motion to start that project.

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which I think a big milestone in the city,

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considering utilities just a few years old

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to get two big projects in within the five years.

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So that's one item, and this is from Director White.

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I think I want to tip my half personally

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to the BOC city management and Director White

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on a securing grant funding for 11 road widening.

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That's a pretty big deal.

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work he's put into it. They got construction funding ready and waiting once they get

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all their right away acquired. So they're full steam ahead and I just want to

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be sure that would be guys. So with that they includes my staff report. That's very

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good. Doug, do you think force? Full of an in dirt road behind Valley

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Center back open.

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All right, now it's nice that everything when it's planned and proposed and doing good.

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Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Next item up on our agenda will be our

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system comments. This time we'll take this in comments. Public is welcome. I'm encouraged to make public

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comment about any item on our agenda. There will be two opportunities for you to make comments. You

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You may speak when the others presented to the planning commission.

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You do ask that you limit your comments to three minutes or less and anyone wishing to address the planning commission at this time.

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Please come to the microphone and name an address for the record.

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So you know, sit and comment to this time.

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We'll move forward with our next item up on the agenda,

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which is falls underneath the minute's approval.

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It's item 5A, so review and adopt the minutes of the July 16th,

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2026.

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Imagine a regional planning commission meeting.

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the changes, amendments, type-outs, same known, I'd like to ask for a motion

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regardless of item on our agenda, motion, and second, all those in favor,

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signify by saying aye, and raising your hand, aye, against abstinence, so

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approved,

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all right. Next item up on our agenda is our consent agenda items.

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We're here with me, we've got several of them. We'll begin with item six, aye,

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zero-letter of credit number five, one, one, zero-eight, zero-eight for Wincherie Pines, Phase

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One, in the amount of $868,854 can be released.

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Item six beats, zero-letter of credit number five, one, one, zero-eight, one, zero for Wincherie

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Pines, Phase Two, and the amount of $122,217 can be released.

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Item 6C, so we're letter of credit number 5-5-1-1-0-8-3-3 for wintery pounds phase 4-8.

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5A, 6A, and 7A, in the amount of 284,393 dollars and 50 cents can be released. Item 6D, review the final

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plan for Providence Commons, phase 2, okay, 631 through 703 Southman, Newly Road. Item 6E, review the final

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plan for legacy point, Lawdy 11, located at 100 Legacy Point Boulevard. Item 6F, review the final

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for 2018 old Lebanon dirt road and item 9B, which would be to review the site plan for MSR

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Plasma, okay at 307 North Mountain G-Late Road, begin with our city planner Mr. John, staff just

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recommend the approval with the commission and the report for all of these.

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Thank you, Shane Nathan from Public Works, you know, very good. Questions or comments from the

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Commission,

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seeing none at this time, I do need to close our planning commission meeting in order to open a public hearing.

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Public hearing is in regards to item 6d, 6e and 6f, 6d is reviewed the final flat for Providence Commons phase two.

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Locate 63 or 631 through 703 South Mountain, you let row.

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Item 6a reviewed the final flat for Legacy Point, a lot of 11.

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Locate at 100 Legacy Point Boulevard.

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Item 6f reviewed the final flat for 2819-11 and dirt road.

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anyone wishing to make comment during the public hearing in regards to any one of those three

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items or welcome to encourage a do so please come to the microphone, states your name and

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address for the record. So you know, since in comments of this time we'll reopen our planning

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commission meeting which time I'm looking for a motion to regard to the items on our planning

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commission agenda. Our consent agenda.

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It's motion and a second, although it's in favor of seeing

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If I was saying aye, I'm raising her hand.

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Aye, against?

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Stingents?

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So pervert.

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Would there be any objection to us hearing item 7A and 7B together?

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Any objection for the planning commission to hear these two items together?

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So you know, objection will hear item 7A and 7B together.

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Item 7A is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners.

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is reviewed the HanExation request for 6484 Beckwith Road.

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Item 7B is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners to review the plan of services for 6484 Beckwith Road.

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Mr. John?

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First thing, may I request an annexation here.

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It's on the west side of Beckwith Road.

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There's an existing single-family house.

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They're seeking an annexation due to they want to connect a city sewer.

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And I believe it's possible.

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So staff recommends approval.

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Rua?

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Shane?

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I mean, comments are encouraged to sign on the agenda?

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No, sir.

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Rua?

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Questions or comments on the commission?

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Seeing that in this time, I'd call for citizen comments.

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Anyone wish to make comments in regards to these items on the agenda?

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We're welcome to encourage to do so.

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Please find the microphone and name and address for the record.

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Seeing that citizen comments this time, do you need to close our planning commission meeting?

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In order to open a public hearing, public hearing is regards item 7Bs, or recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners to read a plan of services for 6484 back with road.

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When wishing to make public comment and regards to this item during the public hearing, welcome and encourage to do something from the microphone, name and address for the record.

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See, no, this is a comments this time, we'll close our public hearing, we're open the planning commission meeting and in which time I'm looking for a recommendation regards to these items on our agenda.

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It's a motion in a second, although it's in favor, so you can five by saying aye and raise your hand aye against abstentions, there's a positive recommendation,

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with a rainy objection from the commission of hearing item seven C and seven D together.

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Seeing no objection, we will hear item seven C and seven D together item seven C is the recommendation item back to the board of commissioners.

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This is a really exciting request for 1865 non-able road.

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Item 70 is a recommendation out and back to the Board of Commissioners

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to repeat plan of services for 1865 non-able road.

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That's your job.

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Sure thing.

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Yes.

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Two and a half acres.

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So this is the annexation.

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They did not ask for, like the last one as well.

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They did not ask for a reason.

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So it will default to RS40, low density residential.

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There is none of us.

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Specific reason they annexed that I'm aware of are they're asking for annexation.

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But should it get approved? They've got a RS-48, which matches the land you've owned out there.

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And that's all. We're coming up approval.

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Thank you.

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Thank you from Public Works on this one.

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I'm sorry.

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Very well.

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Questions or comments from the commission?

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Seeing none at this time.

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I'd like to call for citizens and comments regarding these two items on our agenda.

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We want to wish to make comments.

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Welcome, courage to do so, like phone name and address for the record.

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Seeing no sense in comments of this time, I do need to close a planning commission meeting

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in order to open a public hearing, public hearing is in regards to item 7D, which is

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a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners for being the Plan of Services

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for 1865, not of all road, anyone wishing to make a comment during the public hearing

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is welcome to encourage to do so, please come to the microphone and state your name and address

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for the record.

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Seeing no sense in comments of this time, we'll close our public hearing, reopen our planning

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commission meeting and at which time I'm looking for recommendation and regards to these items

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on our agenda.

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It's a motion for positive recommendation and a second, all those in favour, so you can

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find by saying aye and raising your hand, aye against, extensions, is a positive recommendation.

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Next item up on our agenda, is item 8A, this is a recommendation, item back to the board

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of commissioners to read the land use amendment plan from low density residential to

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for commercial for the Williams property located at 98-Tangle Wood

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John.

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Sure thing, I'm sure you remember this from last month.

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I'm sure there'll be some discussion on this,

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and I just did not change throughout their commercial

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or CRC zoning in the staff.

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Well, I think I let the blank in the staff report.

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My opinion is that I stand with the last

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last month's recommendation on this one, but of course, I think there's some discussion to be had here with this one.

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And I will let that, but recommending a proposal. Good work up now.

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Please.

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Shane, do you have any comments this time?

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No, sir.

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There we go.

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Questions comments?

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Richard Jones, please.

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I was a here last month, the men I had a chance to look at this.

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And I know that the body gave them a negative recognition.

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But I really think that this should go through and here's the reason for it. We're supposed to have a

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A visual up here

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They don't you want to explain this

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One of them just a strange out of the land. We find

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The land is

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Right

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He's like, does everybody know where this is on here?

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He's like, okay.

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So here's the thing, here's the thing that, if you look at this and I think some of the

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comments from the last meeting was that we've not had one like this, but here's the

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thing about it.

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If that zone, which the French don't mount on the London Road is CG, correct?

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And I think this is coming in as CRC, but the thing about it is what I'm, I'm

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often what happened is that someone will either buy both of these or

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this front lot will buy that because they don't have any room for

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anything. And with one lot there, we don't have a lot if y'all

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think about it on Levin and wrote this area, which serves all of

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North Green Hill Road, if you think about it. So if that was redeveloped

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that Hocuna right there, I think it would add not only tax dollars

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to our city but convenience to the citizens that live down

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So the closest thing is the G up here on the heel, from it, so I am bored of this, and so.

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And most of us who live in that street, the Tangled Wood, right behind that.

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the folks that I've talked to have a negative concern about this concern about

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situation because the property right next to it and we discussed this at the

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last meeting as well. Has had some issues keeping it clean and it's right next to

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the neighbors and we're just saying this law has had issues keep it in point.

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No, the one on the other side of the street there that has those three buildings, businesses

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right off of Lebanon, and they're stacked right on behind the other.

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I don't think a lot has changed and there has been plenty of opportunity for those other folks to develop and it hasn't much of that has not developed there yet on the other side of Glenwood. That's still out as far as I know most of that is vacant.

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And so they have a place to build at this point is my perspective, but I know that we

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had the neighbors who spoke the neighbor who spoke last month as well and was concerned

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about it also.

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And then I think Luke mentioned the concern about the drive in and out if something word

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be placed in there, did you want to, are you still thinking that or what?

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No, that's what I was going to share and actually

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Commissioner Jows, I'm last month.

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I couldn't be more agreeable than supportive of that as well.

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But my comment back towards that was that I felt like

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that they needed to come in together.

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So nothing should stop one from the other of acquiring

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the other should they want to do something like that.

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They come in and be replatored and done.

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My fear on this was if it is to develop independently with everything that they're requesting.

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I think it sets a very bad precedent because I can look at this map here in front of us right now just because they're parallel to the commercial.

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They should we set this precedent.

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I can count four properties to six properties that would have the same bearing to come in and make the same request because they're adjacent on two, three or two sides, three sides, four sides that you can count on this one small map.

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I imagine if we expanded this out, that I too would agree that this corner would be great

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for redevelopment.

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This is my main travel area that I personally go in and out, and I'm praying in

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out at four to six times on the daily basis at this corner right here.

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I would love to see it redevelop as well, but to me, it needs to come in together because

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should we grant this and we give this and somebody is to come in and develop just this

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We have to give them the access points, and so we would be struggling to have an access point on the Green Hill,

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possibly over to Tangledwood, that to me creates a monster issue at that, particularly the South Green Hill intersection.

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And there's really nothing we can do.

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And then it just, I just believe that it sets a precedent, so if they want to come in together, they should buy each other.

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And reply, well, when they do that, they take the chance and have the contingent of

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on this body, a proven it.

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And if you'll look over to the east, that's stir-fired, fair commercial right there,

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you'll see the color, which is actually deeper than this whole lot.

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And this whole lot, acreage is what,

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John, acre and half, acre and quarter?

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Yeah.

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It's a point one, actually.

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It's not very, two points, not very wide in the center, yeah.

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But it can develop independently and and I agree, but if we have to look at a site plan

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for thoroughfare, commercial zoning on just this parcel, not because it's adjacent to the other.

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I think it creates a

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and if they can meet our subdivision regulations,

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we have to approve and if they don't ever come by together, that

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It's just, it scares me, Jimmy's out of me.

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And together, I love them together.

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I think this corner right here is a super valuable corner

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and I would love to see it redevelop.

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It looks better since we got rid of the railroad tie wall out there.

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My father had his personal business in that building at one point in time.

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And it's thriving right now with some retail in it and doing well.

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But the commercial had that right there be nice to have a restaurant right there that would help my family or something more convenient there that would be beneficial to my family and what not and community is a whole.

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But I just think that with the depth of this one and if it should develop independently just think the kind of worms that can come out of that are scary and it can't.

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it can, but, but they would have a classy buffer as we all know. So that would shield some

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of your obviously that would help in your...

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There's a buffer on the other side of you, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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And I don't mind the buffer.

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It's the ingress egress, could they even build, you put an access in the middle of the

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turning line?

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And I think today you can build a building with a platform.

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I don't know where buildings are going to go. These days, creativity of centbacks, as you can come to this meeting, there are no bounds.

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There would be a plastic buffer and if you've got a good point, there wouldn't be a lot of RAM.

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I think that's why it would be more obviously attractive for someone to try to buy both of them or the higher owner of this to buy that because then you're just talking about the

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in class. So if we open the same argument for this property, just look right there to your right

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on Glimwood, you got one deep right there and they're surrounded on three sides, just like this

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property. I don't think that I would desire to have that house starting commercial right there

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and it's kind of the same argument there on Glimwood's not as traveled, but I would say that those

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people on Glimwood did that one house right there on Glimwood but had the same basis of argument

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to request the same thing, and should this go through, as well as some other things, but there

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deals, that's not on Greenfield, so they do not have the ingress and ingress on Greenfield.

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Yeah, I didn't like the good tone about it. But they're again, I mean,

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y'all got it in negative recommendation. I would have voted positive, and I'm going to get positive tonight.

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Sure. Sure. Yeah, and I agree with you, it's got good merit. I'd love to see the corner

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redevelop, but I'd like to see them replat and come in here for something appropriate and

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combine together. I think it's got a lot of merit to it, but just independently out there

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in the things that run through my mind of how and what could be put on there with this zoning

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in this land use plan. I don't know that I would be necessarily excited about it.

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And the church next to it, I think, is also a Baker Center that has quite a bit of traffic coming in

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of that area of South Green Hill as well.

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Yeah, I'm just, you know, down here on the south side of that in the, in the, in the,

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on the church in the deck there.

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Yeah.

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Further questions, thoughts?

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Christian Drowsman?

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John, you got anything else to say?

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It's going to call for assistant comments, regards this item on the agenda, anyone wish

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to make comment in regards this item on the agenda, it's welcome to encourage a day

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so please come to microphone and name an address for the record.

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Duane land, I'm a benchmark reel to represent Mr. Danny Williams, I saw y'all last

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month, which sure appreciate the consideration.

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One of the comments made last meeting was that the property that's right there at the corner

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of Tangalwood and Levin Roe was thought to be residential, but it's commercial.

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I didn't know if there was any confusion about that property or maybe something else that

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was mentioned.

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So that whole stretch from the Greenhill side, back to Tangalwood is all CG and then the

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property that's a little bit in people's mind about being sort of in a disarray right there

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on across the street on the thing of the woods side.

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That stretch is all the way down past Mr. Williams' property.

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He'll let left border.

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So he got it all the way down to here.

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And then he's got an entry way that comes in.

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As soon as you come off the street, maybe about 75 feet.

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You can take that left turn.

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And then the neighbor of Mr. Goda

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that comes back on the green hill side.

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He has a little bit of an entry,

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which most of his customers that come out of there

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have to make that right turn with the busyness of the road that's already in play.

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They have contacted Mr. Williams about the lane expansion.

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He has approved that and taken their consideration of the money that they've offered.

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So that helps out with the traffic flow.

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And then so, you know, what even be it?

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I'm sure that the buyers of the property would even be open just for a right turn only when

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it comes off of the green hill.

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And then it's just a small distance, a short distance, back to an entry point there at Tanglewood,

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which I don't believe that, I mean, looking at it, you guys know better than I do, but if you

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even had an office and a professional services that were there, you really wouldn't have that much traffic coming back

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into the neighborhood, because of detriment that way. Sometimes they may come down Tanglewood,

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would take that right turn to get back over to South Korean Hill, but a lot of people are already

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doing that anyway, really just to kind of cut off having to go to that light.

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So those are just some of the points I just wanted to bring up.

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I guess that's a take of vote on it and leave it, sure appreciate your consideration. Thank you, Sir.

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Any additional citizen comments at this time?

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See, no additional citizen comments. I'm looking forward to a recommendation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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It's a motion for a negative recommendation.

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All those in favour of saying aye, President Han, aye.

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Against abstinence is a negative recommendation.

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Sam would we continue on to hear the next two or three items on our agenda at this point

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time?

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You could, but you might want to ask the applicant if they want to.

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Mr. Atlanta, what would be your will for us to hear the annexation plan of services and

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the rezoning request items 8B, 8C and 8D?

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Would you like for this body to continue to hear those items or would you like to defer those items if we could defer or we'd like to

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reconsider maybe even change in the zoning

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from the CRC to the OPS if that would help and make an overall decision to go that way?

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I don't know from the decision that was just made if that's a possibility but we can defer for the other two we can get it sorted out.

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Yeah, yeah, that I didn't kind of, my thing on that, I would rather see the corner redevelop

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in OPS is not conducive to the redevelopment and the discussion that we just had, Marshall,

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I mean, what you're asking for would be desirable.

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But it needs to come together.

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I know that that's hard to make sense.

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But if everything comes together, as it is with the request,

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as I just said, my fear is the access points on this

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and the precedence it's set with a one-deep property

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with no direct access to a major thoroughfare,

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such as Lebanon Road.

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And then the potential access point

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this body would have to grant someone their at Green Hill Road.

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I think it's challenging, and I think it's dangerous

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to be quite frightened.

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but if the whole corner could be redeveloped

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and parceled together, reply to it,

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I can't speak for anybody else here.

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I can speak for myself, like I said,

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I've probably passed this intersection

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at least six times a day.

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I think that that is a great corner,

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and I would like to see something that would be a little bit more,

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there's some great things, there are great businesses

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that are thriving in there right now.

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So not to discount their their businesses that are very successful there and doing well. I hope

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But something such as restaurants or convenience retail or office or whatever it may be whatever

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Some of these vision is for the corner right there, but kind of with this one deep property

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It kind of needs to be combined together with that property should it be the desire out there

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So it's not necessarily against that but the access points. It would have to be granted or just just not right with the

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I thought it'd be better to come in off-leavened road or to be fabulous.

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That would be the thought.

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You would improve that lead and road access out there.

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Potentially even that access could even be moved and looking at it with an up hall.

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That looks like it's so three parcels right there that front lead and road.

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Of course it looks like you front the entire backside of them.

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Whether or not they all three came together just a two with the strip center and this together.

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It gives you direct access to Lebanon Road and certainly a traffic improvement and a good

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way in.

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You mentioned access there.

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I could see maybe a right-end right off of Green Hill Road to access this property and then

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an out back up on Lebanon Road.

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I was some good vision and good engineer, good architects and imagine something really nice

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could be done with this corner.

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But if it stays independent, just the fear of a commercial overlay on this one parcel and being a property deep with no frontage,

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it's none of the anger as eager as for my standpoint, but it's suppressed and it's set.

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Like I said, on this map, I can count at least four to six that if this is granted that we would have to do the same.

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And I'm sure that you would argue to say that I wouldn't want that, if that one were to request it, so we were helping with the business.

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And it's the green hillside that it would be more of a blend into commercial situation.

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It's the access point on green hill, but it's one of the scariest points, right?

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A little different than the green.

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Because it's right into, you know, you can imagine if someone is coming,

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wants to go southbound on green hill, but then they want to turn into this lot.

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That they're going to push traffic back on the lead and the road, because traffic's already

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you'd try to get through the intersection, going north on South Korean

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Hale, and you've crawled the malfunction jump right there, probably one of our

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busiest roads in Mount Julia, the South Korean Hale. So it's just good design and

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some good thought to it, there's merit. And so I hope that something has worked

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out and I hope we get to see it again.

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Yes, come here, John, please.

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But if there was a ride in North Greenville Road, then that would take traffic off from Greenville Road, if they were going into this side.

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And as far as counting the lots, this is the only one that goes to think that could have two ingresses and ingresses on two different roads.

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Unless these people down here combined lots together. You see what I'm saying?

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Yeah, my actual hope would be that if it were a debris developed, they'd only access point would be 11 and wrote

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Yeah, I mean that would be the best

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Yeah, but you probably want to say in there somewhere

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You're just for safety reasons

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I mean we're talking about the one on that deal with road for the circular

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I mean you would want that if that re-develop

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So it actually shoot them out to tangle it over there

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To the back of that strips and

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Yeah, so yeah

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Tom, please, just, I do want to clarify, if that corner were to redevelop, short of getting

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an access, he's been to that adjacent parcel, the best point of access would be off-salt

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green health runs. Otherwise, there's really in the signal box because of how offset that

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signal is. So they're kind of in a rock in a hard place, get an access to that lot in

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Yeah. Yeah. So they want to combine together. Come on. Let's take a look at it.

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Right. Yeah. That's a wonderful. Thank you. That is a deferral by the applicant.

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I don't read these three real quick. Automate B, which is recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners

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Review. That annexation request for the Williams property. Locate 98.

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what drives been deferred per request of the applicant or how to make see which is recommendation

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item. Back to the Board of Commission's review the plan of services for the Williams

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property locate 98 Tangle would drive has been deferred per the applicant. Item 8D which is

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recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners. It's just to review the Reson request from

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Wilson County R1 to CRC for the Williams property locate 98 Tangle would drive has been deferred per

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the question of the app. Next item up on our agenda would be

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out of 9A is review the final master development plan site plan for

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acorn property spectrum sound located at 71-10 central pike.

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That is Mr. Jones.

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Thanks.

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Spectrum sound and area g of the providence central pod. This is on the west side of central pike.

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A little bit of a context over there, that's that part of the PUD CMU behind it to the Southwest

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with the RS-20, which is also part of that PUD.

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Spectrum Sound, this is a commercial audio video system integration and installation.

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High-end live sound gear rentals and tours support and professional audio technology sales

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for major venues. So that's the use.

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On the FMDP, we're on the Perluminary Mass Development

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Plan here, this area was at your mark for big box kind of development, parking and commercial

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box somewhere in the middle. Essentially we got going on here.

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The thing I'd like to talk

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Here is the facade materials.

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Now this pod has a unique kind of amendment history.

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And they were given waivers on certain parts

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of the pod regarding the facade materials.

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Area G was not one of those areas.

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So they're asking with this approval

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and the planning commission has that authority to do so

445
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,980
for the façade waiver as written in.

446
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,240
Your staff report. Now, I've changed my mind on my recommendation, because when I revved this, I was on the

447
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:13,440
impression since it's a pod, they might have to do a pod amendment. But since this does not violate any

448
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:19,780
condition of the original pod, since there were no waivers put on this particular area of the pod,

449
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:27,220
with the, in regards to the, the side materials, they can ask for it now to be, uh,

450
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:34,320
the board, planning to go ahead. Um, and what they're asking for is 77 and a half percent

451
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,580
approximately a tilt up concrete panels. They do have 11, a half percent of brick. And then

452
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:48,240
bulk of the rest is glazing. Um, to look at the building, they did, uh, and go a little

453
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:57,240
of extra to make it look palatable, but they are asking for that waiver and you all have

454
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:02,940
the authority to speak on it, weigh in on it,

455
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:07,730
I think that's the bulk of it, that's the

456
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:12,110
big things, that's the rest of it and the pre-good, so staff does recommend approval.

457
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,990
And I can support the waiver now for this type of view type of building.

458
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:18,730
Thank you.

459
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:19,310
Thank you.

460
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,750
I'm Jane Public Works.

461
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,090
Staff recommends approval with our conditions,

462
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:28,310
but I would like to strike condition number six.

463
00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:30,470
So this was Wilson Utility,

464
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:32,810
is not the water service provider in this area.

465
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,740
There we go.

466
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Tom, can you get anything on this one?

467
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:48,080
Yeah, so for the commission's consideration,

468
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,620
the access into this lot,

469
00:36:52,620 --> 00:37:00,100
itself is buying a good code great. However, this will be setting the president for a lot across

470
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:09,480
the extension of problems, Parkway. The original pilot approved on the CO2 actually doesn't show

471
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,520
any access on that street, so we're raised to be holding them to do that more likely than not.

472
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:31,060
But again, that has nothing to do with this site. That's just for future considerations.

473
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:33,060
Thank you.

474
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,740
Questions, comments?

475
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,420
Discussion from the commission?

476
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:47,480
Mr. Boom?

477
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:57,670
One of the things that I'd like to see updated is the landscape requirements.

478
00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:04,130
I'm trying to figure out why the trees don't continue along the back of a lot,

479
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:06,650
where it backs up to residential properties.

480
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:09,990
Ask for representation to this.

481
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:13,710
Please project the name and address for the record project.

482
00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:17,910
Good evening, Joe Haddick's here at the civil.

483
00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:25,910
I noticed that walking in here that earlier today started taking care of the fact that

484
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:28,510
that full buffer will be planted across the rear line.

485
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:29,210
Oh, geez.

486
00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:29,970
Yeah.

487
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:30,450
Okay.

488
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:31,870
Thank you.

489
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:35,110
Further.

490
00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,510
Just so I can confirm.

491
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:38,630
Is this going to be?

492
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:41,090
I'm looking at the approved EMDP.

493
00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:45,070
Is this building going to be just south of the A1CMU?

494
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:46,610
Is that where I'm looking at it correctly?

495
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:48,970
That is correct.

496
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:52,030
Okay. I just wanted to make sure I knew physically where it was at.

497
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:57,030
Yeah, so this building almost sits identically where that building is shown.

498
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:57,530
Okay.

499
00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:01,770
From a drawing that's six years old.

500
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:05,130
Yeah, so we're trying to adhere to the approved preliminary plan.

501
00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:06,070
It's a short.

502
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:10,550
Todd did mention the site you're seeing in the pud.

503
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:13,630
In that drawing, is bigger than this site?

504
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:17,710
Yeah, therefore there was an access to a future road

505
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,590
that at the time, that's for TDOT was saying,

506
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:23,550
Hager was going to go and hold another discussion

507
00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:26,470
that's talking about, and Matt and Shane have been had to suffer.

508
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:30,790
At this time, we would request approval.

509
00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:34,310
The access points were committed to the public works condition

510
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:37,070
that driveways will align

511
00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:41,490
And as the south side of the Parkway Extension develops,

512
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:44,590
you know, we're already accounting

513
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:45,670
for that.

514
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:51,910
So we respect the labor question of your consideration and approval of the material waiver.

515
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:54,630
I think it's a good looking building.

516
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:59,590
Architects have gone on kind of the problem beyond to add even more features than what you

517
00:39:59,590 --> 00:39:59,970
or me.

518
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:18,420
Some of the, some of the other big box guys are adding to their buildings. Really cool, look at building. Really excited to get something going on the west side of Central Pike there. Public works is recently approved the roadway extension plan and the mass trading plan that you all saw a couple months ago.

519
00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:26,600
So, contractor is nearing, getting ready to start a erosion control and pre-cons with public works.

520
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,540
So can answer any other questions y'all may have.

521
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:30,520
Thank you for your time.

522
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,700
Let me make sure I'm right on this too.

523
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Y'all, you guys will, uh,

524
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:40,000
you're basically going to complete the entire road section,

525
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
extension of Providence Parkway,

526
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200
all the way to leading to this site.

527
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,040
So that road will be completed in its entirety,

528
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:50,000
correct the development of this site.

529
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,580
That's correct.

530
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,520
Yeah, so unlike what we did on the other side of Providence Parkway,

531
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
where it was three lanes for a time,

532
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,320
and then it ultimately got widened to five.

533
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,040
This gets the ultimate five-on section

534
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,720
at the Central Pike intersection

535
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,980
comes back a certain distance

536
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:07,900
that we've worked out with public works

537
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:08,960
at that full five lane

538
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,640
and then transitions have to three left.

539
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:13,360
So you get the ultimate road section, day one.

540
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,060
With this start prior to,

541
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,660
and maybe just a tall question,

542
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,720
start prior to the Central Pike interchange,

543
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:44,820
Therefore, allowing John Hager, whether or not it's comes like this, I'm sure that's a discussion between you guys and T dot out there, but this would potentially give an access point, a good access point so that the people on John Hager continue to come in and out.

544
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:52,820
Yeah, I can't speak to when they're going to start their construction with the Interchange Project is

545
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:56,380
Slated to start in 2029. Okay.

546
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:01,660
That being said, there have been some changes to the plans.

547
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:07,220
I can agree the final right way plans aren't available yet, but they're coming in immediately.

548
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:11,260
But the last I saw that John Hager was going to continue to

549
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:13,440
continue to sunk or pipe.

550
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,220
You'd come right in right out when the energy comes in.

551
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:20,220
And it will be this development responsibility to

552
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,480
essentially install that realign John Hager that feed out with

553
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,460
the previous we're going to do.

554
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,560
So that connection is coming with this.

555
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,420
But they're going to track independent when you really

556
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:39,060
of one sentence comes in.

557
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:42,040
At least gives an option or an access point right there

558
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,320
with the folks that depend on John Hager,

559
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,420
while Central Park is kind of messed up up there

560
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:51,300
for a little bit, or pretty busy with a lot of activity on.

561
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:54,320
Well, that would actually be the top build-out of the target,

562
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,280
because they're not building that connection yet.

563
00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:03,160
That is would come with some of the other,

564
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,600
If you look at that approved punch, you're going to come up with some of the other sites that A2

565
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:19,480
trying to find it. Yeah, A2 is a northern half of A1. If you're looking at CTO or an O2, you can

566
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,400
believe there's no pun critters on on when that road is realigned. Quite frankly, they

567
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,440
weren't supposed to have to build that road. We're going to have a five-line road sitting there

568
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,460
as a visit but the drop should at least

569
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:39,080
would you guys joe would you guys be ahead of that 29 date then?

570
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:42,020
yeah we're gonna start construction this fall should probably

571
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:44,680
can we next spring early summer?

572
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,000
right kind of semi traffic are we looking at overall it makes me a little nervous

573
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,380
very minimal yeah i mean this is a this is not a daily

574
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:57,820
you know distribution hub this is

575
00:43:57,820 --> 00:44:05,960
at the equipment ready to go for artists leaving on tour, coming in, you know, they're

576
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,960
loading it up, they're coming in, they're tested, and heavy vehicles will not be required

577
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,860
to go through any of the densely areas prior to getting to the interchange.

578
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:14,600
Yeah.

579
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:20,180
Honestly, even before that comes in, they can stick to major collectors in our

580
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Thank you.

581
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:30,680
Thank you.

582
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,140
Thank you.

583
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:31,320
Thank you.

584
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,540
See you now for the questions and comments this time.

585
00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:36,300
I'd like to call for this in comments regards this item on our agenda.

586
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:37,560
And we'll wish you to make comments.

587
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,880
Welcome and encourage to do so.

588
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:41,680
Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record.

589
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:47,510
I'm seeing no sense in comments this time.

590
00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:50,250
I'd like to ask for a motion regards this item on our agenda.

591
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:54,410
Motion of approval.

592
00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:56,550
It's a motion.

593
00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:57,890
Second.

594
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:59,970
all those in favor signify us

595
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,560
We're saying aye, raise your hand. Aye, against abstinence. So proof. Please. Sorry, just to confirm that included the material waiver.

596
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Just thank you. Perfect.

597
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,260
Yeah.

598
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:32,420
Next item up in our gym is out of nine C, which is the redest site plan for Mainstead at Goldenbeard. Okay, 4515 Beckwith fro.

599
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:33,380
It's Joe.

600
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:52,170
OK, a couple months ago we saw, I think it was May, you saw the final map

601
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:59,610
field on the plant for this. I also distributed the maps so you can kind of see the layout

602
00:45:59,610 --> 00:46:09,030
of this that's gone through. Starting with that P&DP. That was from my belief, 2024. That

603
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:13,070
was the second P&DP. There was a financial one. Then they had an amendment where they got rid

604
00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:17,350
the age restricted in the Northeast corner that we talked about last month.

605
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:22,490
And then the one you have before you is the P&DP, the most recent P&DP.

606
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:27,510
And then I also printed out the FMDP that we've approved back in May.

607
00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:34,470
There are a couple inconsistencies in here and I have them in the site plan.

608
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:46,600
And most notably, I think the FMDP should have 298 units in this plan before you

609
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:56,440
got 311. So, that would have to be brought back down, or rather, it's got 311 of FNDP

610
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,720
at 2202 and 92.

611
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,800
Commercial square foot versus the FNDP that you saw in May went up a couple

612
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:15,400
for a couple hundred square feet, 700 plus, we got restaurant, we got retail in there.

613
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:23,360
Overall, density of this pot is cap at 7.4 units, this particular phase, you got 15.2,

614
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:30,380
the same as it always was, more or less minus that discrimst the edge of this plane.

615
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:40,220
I don't think there are a lot else to say out here, and not asking for much else.

616
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:43,050
Yeah.

617
00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:44,210
Staff are going to the pool.

618
00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:45,490
This is site plan.

619
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:48,590
Shane, public works.

620
00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:52,510
We recommend approval with our conditions.

621
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:57,910
But I will get with planning because these conditions are from another project.

622
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:00,490
There we go.

623
00:48:00,490 --> 00:48:01,490
Thank you, Michael.

624
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:06,520
Todd, do you have anything on this one?

625
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:08,140
Very well.

626
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:11,320
Questions or comments from the commission?

627
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:17,700
In the area, I didn't notice one.

628
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
It is in building 100.

629
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,180
I can help you with that one.

630
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:21,960
In the building?

631
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,260
It is in the building.

632
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:29,560
I think that Mr. John made a note saying that we need to postmaster approval in order to locate

633
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:29,880
it there.

634
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:30,980
Let's go and ask for representation.

635
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,460
Is there a lot of questions?

636
00:48:40,270 --> 00:48:50,350
Do you want to I guess speak to commission or arm states question on the male kiosk?

637
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:53,070
Yeah, I'll be located in town of the building.

638
00:48:53,070 --> 00:48:53,810
That's great.

639
00:48:53,810 --> 00:48:55,310
For all the units?

640
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:57,230
Yes.

641
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:00,730
So that was going to leave me to one of my questions.

642
00:49:00,970 --> 00:49:02,670
I have word of that park.

643
00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:07,400
You know, in the lot there.

644
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:12,920
So no dedicated parking for the male kiosk.

645
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:16,040
This is not dedicated now.

646
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:26,240
As you said, it says, some of the minutes are posterity on this.

647
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,760
I mean, like, you have that when you go into retail places.

648
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,820
I mean, restaurants, you know, apart there, certain few minutes.

649
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,220
Why do you go pick up something?

650
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,000
Would that not be consistent in this, this many units,

651
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:44,320
and have you the mail in one place?

652
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:48,980
I don't think that we have any.

653
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:51,440
issue having that yeah.

654
00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:59,710
Let me come with how many spaces. I mean, I don't know this.

655
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:10,260
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I mean, space is with is the norm for this and then, oh, oh, let's see now.

656
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:12,480
Really, that's right.

657
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,160
One.

658
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:17,620
I don't know.

659
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:19,040
I don't know.

660
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,260
I don't know.

661
00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:21,820
I don't know.

662
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:22,580
I don't know.

663
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,300
Well, how many times does somebody go to the post office like I go every day?

664
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:32,800
And there's more than two cars there and I'm almost every day.

665
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:39,680
I was in a pick and I'm a Bixley a part of the day and I was with a lady and she was

666
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:45,360
picking up her mail and then it was probably in the afternoon people are getting off the

667
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,920
work and they're coming in and wanting to get their mail and several people were parking

668
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:58,020
And there were five or six or at least five or six parking spaces for that.

669
00:50:58,540 --> 00:51:00,180
That's a big complex.

670
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,600
I think people will walk throughout and connect through the amenities center.

671
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:13,900
That's pretty common in a multi-family development.

672
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:14,880
So

673
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,880
let's just, I don't carry on with with concerns I have overall on this one as it

674
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:31,580
says. I just have to give us a copy of the, of the punished cell, which everybody here

675
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:38,340
tonight received a copy of it. And one of the main reasons I wanted to see this, particularly,

676
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:48,000
I mean, because I wanted to see how the original plug proposed the parking and how each

677
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,780
bill was going to be serviced by that.

678
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,940
A couple of the big differences, you know, we had buildings or one building at the back

679
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:02,740
on this position to the flood plane there, I guess, to the east of this site.

680
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,720
I think it was set up at one point for some of the green space on what I would call

681
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,420
south west corner of it. I think I had heard

682
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:16,900
traditional commercial at that time when this initially came here before us.

683
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:27,440
So, as I was looking at the site, my concerns are one, I think that we've got to

684
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:37,700
have dedicated parking for male kiosk right there. If nothing else you've got to

685
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:42,460
have a place to put their core that they're not going to get towed out there.

686
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:51,420
The Podis cap is 7.4 UPA, then how is the UPA, and this is a staff question, and how

687
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:54,480
is 15.2 UPA in substantial compliance?

688
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,600
So I'm 15.9, very well.

689
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,660
And then in looking at the overall design, we're like, well, let's do apartments, and then I

690
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:09,060
We should have got some room left, let's throw three townhomes in there.

691
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:15,500
The logic to that one, some of them that I've never seen in 22 years sitting here, that

692
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,980
you throw three townhomes in the middle of all apartments.

693
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,020
Don't like that.

694
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:26,380
That could easily be converted back to commercial and commercial percentage to come up, because

695
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:30,220
that was what was desired by this commission at the time that this plug was approved.

696
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:38,260
Number two is you've got the commercial and then the commercial doesn't have any director

697
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:43,820
immediate access to even trash receptacles that they have to cross all the way across

698
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:49,040
the site to get to trash so to me that's prohibitive for any potential restaurants to come

699
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,640
in there that they're either going to have to throw it in a car or throw it in a truck or

700
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,000
or we've not accommodated trash.

701
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,320
So that to me says that none of my uses

702
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,480
are going to be any kind of restaurant

703
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,580
or anything convenient over there too.

704
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:13,540
Three is I'll have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

705
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:20,620
nine, ten sections that we've designed

706
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:27,600
the parking to back into the drive lanes throughout this site. On blind corners, blind intersections

707
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:35,020
that I don't see that the travel around this site and the waste is on and the way that

708
00:54:35,020 --> 00:54:40,120
the parking, the building elevation is I think everything will great but the parking configuration

709
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,960
on this and how you're going to drive them maneuver this site. I think it's really poorly designed.

710
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,780
I mean we have traffic back and out, I'm happy to show you my plan and show you my concerns

711
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:57,620
on it, but you know in the initial plan too with where your northern parking is, you have

712
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:59,600
parking place, the line, the parking place.

713
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,200
So we originally proposed we had green space separating that parking up there on the north side of this development.

714
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:20,760
And I mean, you have caused backing in the intersections. And I just don't understand how that is a good plan or a good design that this body should approve and say, well, it works, it meets.

715
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:26,980
I don't know how it works and meets where people parking backing into intersections.

716
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:33,730
are you found to the north side like the air arm? Oh, I would love to show it to

717
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:11,050
you, okay?

718
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:37,680
And those are just, it gives me the field, the project is a whole lot like, and your

719
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,600
elevations are like, and everything they're like, but I feel like we struggle to get this

720
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:50,420
units in compliance with our parking requirements and so we put parking places and places that

721
00:56:51,740 --> 00:57:00,230
in areas that I don't feel are well-designed or safe and that's my only struggle with your

722
00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:09,920
with this project as we have before. So I did really and that's just for my comments on with it.

723
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:15,220
I'd like to see it develop. It does appear to be now that I got to see this tonight as I came

724
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:20,800
up in here. It's very similar to the design. I know I've been kind of outspoken on some of them

725
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,480
coming forward to us that really haven't been very similar and it's in their initial design

726
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:33,060
on them and then compliance with our pod. A prudent here but the overall design and seeing what was

727
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:38,280
submitted for the pod does look pretty close in this case here so I agree with staff's assessment

728
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:46,040
on it. And I'd like to see it go, but it just doesn't, this one just doesn't feel that it drives

729
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,620
right. And it's safe for the people that we're going to put in there. And I'd like to

730
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:57,060
see the retail and potential restaurant component with it. And again, you know, where your

731
00:57:57,060 --> 00:58:02,820
retail is and your closest dumpster pad, I mean, you know, you got a good haul over there.

732
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,540
And so how are we going to get? I'd like to see these attract the commercial and the retail

733
00:58:07,540 --> 00:58:13,140
attract people that don't necessarily live in the apartments as well to want to come here

734
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:19,300
and it just doesn't lay out like it's going to be an easy way in or out and you know when

735
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:24,280
once people figure out they can't get in and out easy and they have more potential enough to go

736
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,320
and I'd like to see the long-term success of this project be successful.

737
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:37,260
And I was concerned about those three towns as well. It just looks so just pushing people

738
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:40,980
together and it's such a small space here.

739
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:47,580
But the pocket park is where that is behind the town

740
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:48,640
home units.

741
00:58:49,780 --> 00:58:51,300
Is that a potential playground?

742
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,460
What is that meant to be?

743
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,820
I didn't see if I see the pool, the pavilion,

744
00:58:57,340 --> 00:59:04,420
and a fitness center, and I know that the designs of the apartments

745
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,660
seem to be one to two bedrooms.

746
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:08,200
Do you have pretty veterans there as well?

747
00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:09,880
Believe it's just one or two.

748
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:13,640
So it's probably designed for it.

749
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,260
Beginning homes and young young people,

750
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,780
but they still have children sometimes.

751
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:25,860
And I was just thinking that there's nothing much that

752
00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:29,220
benefits them in terms of a play area.

753
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,200
I say that it could be there by the pool prevailing beyond that,

754
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:35,400
a designated area.

755
00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:42,010
And that's a lot of people.

756
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:44,190
It's a lot of people.

757
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:53,390
Same amount of the question for you.

758
00:59:53,710 --> 00:59:57,110
Is this at this point of this project?

759
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:59,970
It's just one to where this body has the ability.

760
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,540
To put a trigger on the commercial, with a versus CO,

761
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:17,000
I just

762
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:29,610
want to make sure that the commercial component is done.

763
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:38,720
I'd like to see to see it move forward, but I think as a parking configuration is laid out right now,

764
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:47,460
I've got concerns in regards to this, and let me ask you one more question real quick, the

765
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:56,760
the north side parking as you come in off of old Beckwith Road looks like that entire north section

766
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:03,860
of parking is off property. Yes, it would be shared with that next development that's coming in.

767
01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:05,360
the HR circuit these.

768
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,160
You guys got easements and everything in place

769
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,260
allowing that to happen.

770
01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:20,920
Was that necessary to get in compliance with our part

771
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:21,340
in places?

772
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:25,840
We're a part where a little over-park at the moment,

773
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,360
because we dropped the number of units from 301 to 292

774
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:34,080
from FMDP to site plan to be consistent with the PMDP.

775
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,600
So we've got a few spots we can lose,

776
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,480
but not not that many.

777
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,080
So you saw my concerns with some of the parking there.

778
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,420
Couldn't lose enough parking to address all of those concerns

779
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:50,580
that I shared with you.

780
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:57,120
To me, we called you to lose that one right there.

781
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,040
34,

782
01:02:02,270 --> 01:02:04,390
maybe five, six.

783
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:10,240
$7.89, $1.10, $1.11.

784
01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:14,870
We would definitely under park.

785
01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:17,930
13, 14, 15, 16, 17,

786
01:02:20,810 --> 01:02:20,830
18,

787
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:22,690
roughly around 20 parking places

788
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:24,950
of what it would lose.

789
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,360
Do you have any suggestions for that reconfiguration?

790
01:02:33,830 --> 01:02:38,650
Yeah, we really have to study that to give an honest answer on that.

791
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:42,690
You know, we've worked this pretty good

792
01:02:42,690 --> 01:02:50,450
to try and meet the, you know, the parking requirements for 292 units and, you know,

793
01:02:50,590 --> 01:02:56,730
feel that this is, you know, would be acceptable. I understand your concerns, and I see them.

794
01:02:58,890 --> 01:03:06,250
But this, this is a parking lot. This is not a, a local, you know, so there is a little bit of

795
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:09,190
difference there, but I see what you're saying.

796
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,520
Todd, your draft engineer?

797
01:03:14,580 --> 01:03:15,920
I know it's not a public road,

798
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:20,800
but you had to review this right here.

799
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,850
I mean, is this a, is it safe to put people back in the intersection?

800
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:29,730
It's not uncommon.

801
01:03:30,370 --> 01:03:32,410
In parking lots.

802
01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:39,710
Now typically we do see your more stereotypical straight lines

803
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:46,990
with a more central drivile that you return off into your parking drivile,

804
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:50,070
however we've

805
01:03:50,070 --> 01:03:58,910
got tea intersections with perpendicular parking throughout town. It's not a major safety

806
01:03:58,910 --> 01:04:08,450
concern just because of the speeds we're talking about in parking lots and through pedestrian

807
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:10,690
around and

808
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,600
generally avoid having people walk in the driveway on other several places on a

809
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:24,280
process site that that could be improved. But we're talking about low-speed collisions here,

810
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:33,520
but you are on it. There is more risk for a collision in general when you have parking near

811
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,660
sections and you have another conflict point to do with.

812
01:04:43,540 --> 01:04:45,520
No, my engineer. I'm not.

813
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,180
Like a couple of notes here are quick to make sure it's included in here.

814
01:04:54,510 --> 01:04:59,190
This is just some additional crosswalk striping. I'd like to see crosswalk striping at the

815
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,620
Loftz.

816
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,980
As you come in the north entrance, us partying lot to your right, you get several sidewalks offロans

817
01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:29,520
walked and we look at those directions throughout the cuerpo section.

818
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:37,660
building 100 or apartment slash co-bails come through the roundabout to the south side of it

819
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:45,540
you have subwalk crossing there. I'd see striping for a crosswalk right there. It's not necessarily leading

820
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:52,560
to another sidewalk, but you're coming out of that. You're making all your commercial customers

821
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:59,340
cross this entry exit point and have a no dedicated crosswalk or anything right there for

822
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:04,240
your commercial people to access a commercial buildings there for their parking.

823
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:13,600
I think that is all that I got. Further questions comments? Commissioner Frank?

824
01:06:14,660 --> 01:06:18,160
Yeah, I'm only going back to a comment. I think Commissioner Morris did

825
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,640
make about the mail room. I mean, that's going to be building 100 is going to be hard to live in next

826
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,660
that thing. I mean, you think about it. I mean, I don't know how I get my mail every

827
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:33,420
day from a mailbox, but everyone gets their mail. 300 people are going to be visiting

828
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:41,960
building one a day. And it's in the same building of 47 units. And so somebody's going to

829
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:48,000
be living next door to this. And it's never going to be quiet. And there's always going to,

830
01:06:48,140 --> 01:06:54,300
I mean, honestly, the mailworm should be, you know, somehow put on the outside of one of

831
01:06:54,300 --> 01:07:01,560
humans at least is far away or even separated because if you're just going to have one place,

832
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,000
it seems like you're going to make it almost the last place you're going to want to rent.

833
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,100
I mean, how would you like to live in building 100?

834
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,760
I mean, it's just always going to be door slamming people when I'm about what I'm talking.

835
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:21,100
I mean, it's the rest of the residence as well, it's picking up their mail, I mean.

836
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:23,100
Yeah. People do it on their way in that.

837
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:24,960
That's not convenient. That's what was convenient to do.

838
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,420
in and out. I mean, you're going on your way out after you get the mail in the way to the store

839
01:07:28,420 --> 01:07:33,640
or coming out from work or whatever. They're going to have to drive down here and cross and

840
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:42,840
I mean, it's buried really keep away. So I don't know. That that to me is. Did you consider

841
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:49,800
anything else that prior to putting in the building? Yeah, I'll have to discuss with the architect

842
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:56,240
to, you know, other options. But, you know, where it's, where it's at is with proximity, right

843
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:02,900
to the, you know, get the pool and brought across from the amount of areas. So, you know, I think

844
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:10,720
without stealing more from the clubhouse, it's probably where it had to go. Yeah, I'm not thinking

845
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:17,540
about clubhouse. I'm just seeing some other areas that are possibilities. And I'm like another structure.

846
01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:19,540
Yes, yes, yes.

847
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:20,680
Well, please stand.

848
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,040
Please stand.

849
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:22,560
Yeah, please stand.

850
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:23,480
Yeah, no, no structure.

851
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:33,260
And you were talking about coming in to the north of Old Beck with, and there's plenty of, looks like a grain space there that we're up at Kiosk.

852
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:38,600
So that is a TVA, the no structure can be.

853
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,360
Even though there's green there.

854
01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:43,040
Yeah, you can't, you can't put a roof in there.

855
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:44,220
No structures.

856
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:58,120
So the whole design locked down or is there potential, I'm seeing a very unique design

857
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:03,840
of kind of that center island there and I would strongly recommend making that a more

858
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:12,940
traditional size for more functional if maybe swim club develop here or classes or whatever

859
01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:19,000
the case may be trying to swim in a very uniquely shaped pool like that could bring up a lot

860
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,700
of different issues, so something more standardized.

861
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:37,630
I'm just very wary of the mental situation.

862
01:09:37,810 --> 01:09:43,090
I agree with you, I would like to see a playground in that just north of the pool there.

863
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:45,750
Perfect spot for it.

864
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:47,710
Samuel will come back to you real quick.

865
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:51,530
Does this body at this point in time on this submittal?

866
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:54,110
this being a side plan request.

867
01:09:54,710 --> 01:09:58,750
Do we have the ability to request to make changes to this?

868
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,700
Or do we have the ability to turn it down?

869
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:10,720
Yes, as long as you don't go, you are not because then you will find a master development plan.

870
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:13,960
So if they had a proof that they were going to come to the chair.

871
01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:21,510
So, for disapprove it for other reasons.

872
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:28,970
Because if there's a proof that they're going to find a master development plan, it'd be safe to agree with it.

873
01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:29,390
Well,

874
01:10:32,150 --> 01:10:36,230
I think that we have any issues with any of the crosswalk things that you've mentioned

875
01:10:36,230 --> 01:10:38,990
and making those connections.

876
01:10:39,450 --> 01:10:41,430
And I'm happy to bring things up

877
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:43,770
as far as the concerns of the mail room.

878
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:47,490
We can have those discussions today.

879
01:10:47,670 --> 01:10:49,350
And I like this one, Michael, I do.

880
01:10:52,150 --> 01:10:54,990
So that we could have a team there, perhaps.

881
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:57,770
That sounds really good for young folks.

882
01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:01,670
Plus maintenance, plus corner, a lot of work.

883
01:11:04,450 --> 01:11:05,330
Right, Art.

884
01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:10,730
Well, the only thing I have about the pool is that this neighborhood probably is not

885
01:11:10,730 --> 01:11:13,330
going to have a lot of children and it's going to be one and two bedroom.

886
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:17,990
We don't have a lot of other people that go out there and want to maybe see this kind of thing.

887
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:26,530
Like when we go to Florida up a place, you know, they got islands in the pool and then do anything

888
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:26,990
for me.

889
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:33,550
But you know, kids and younger people it does, so I don't have a problem with the pool.

890
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:40,470
But I think that they could do something with that build-in to make that he asks a separate

891
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:41,250
or something.

892
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:44,250
Because it's just like you're talking about the people going in.

893
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:45,290
I mean, I go in.

894
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:46,550
Like, get my mouth sometimes.

895
01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:52,630
So if you're out of town and people come, everybody's not going to go a bit of a clock in here.

896
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:57,430
So I mean, you have people that travel and come back home, they're going to get their mouth.

897
01:11:57,550 --> 01:12:01,430
So that could be two to the clock in the morning, three to the morning, what if the world

898
01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:03,970
everybody under the bed, not a fault, not a guarantee.

899
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:09,050
Where, where do people in those two northern

900
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:17,450
buildings take their garbage, to the far north and the far northeast? Yeah, they would come down

901
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:23,230
to the south, but there's also access inside of those buildings as

902
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,920
well. Wait, say again, there's also

903
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,700
But the lead, there is a compactor.

904
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,020
You're talking about buildings 200 and 300, right?

905
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:35,800
Correct.

906
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,740
I mean, I can see the South portion of 300

907
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:42,420
has access to that one at the South compactor enclosure.

908
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:47,880
But that's quite a hole for 200, unless that building

909
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,860
700 maintenance is going to also have garbage.

910
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:54,480
That one is not.

911
01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:56,040
Yeah, I didn't think it was.

912
01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:00,450
So I'm seeing a total of

913
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:05,870
two dumpsters for this whole, or am I messing one?

914
01:13:10,190 --> 01:13:16,370
That's correct. I see two. I don't know. Do we have standards for that?

915
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:22,970
Those are going to have to be gigantic dumpsters for 300 units.

916
01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:31,870
Yeah, okay. We're singing quality life for these folks.

917
01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:37,490
I got to be honest with you.

918
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:41,770
Yeah.

919
01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:46,730
Without the dumpsters, without the mail kiosk, the three town homes give me a ton of hard

920
01:13:46,730 --> 01:13:47,210
barn

921
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:58,630
traffic engineers, good with the parking, but I mean, it just...

922
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:05,580
You could have the mail kiosk on there with the three town homes, I know that it's not

923
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:06,140
comfortable.

924
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:14,100
I personally think that it should receive the staff comments and adjust accordingly.

925
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:15,160
Pardon?

926
01:14:26,820 --> 01:14:32,720
I just wanted to point out that the final Master Development Plan does have the three town homes.

927
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:34,900
So the planning commission should not have the issue of that.

928
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:35,380
There have

929
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:55,360
been very little site when and changes since FMDB.

930
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:14,290
No, that doesn't change a poor design. And it's a poor design. It's poor, it's all out, poorly laid out. It might be in compliance, but there's just zero consideration to people that are going to live here.

931
01:15:14,670 --> 01:15:24,420
I mean, I just don't say I can stand there and say that there's not. I mean, there's just, it's in compliance. We can say that.

932
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:34,320
outside of that. It's no vision. I mean, I can keep on with adjectives, but

933
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:44,220
what happens when you don't have quality is that in the future, then the rent will

934
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:51,400
drop and you're going to have some situations. And I never go before apartments in my previous

935
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:57,400
time of commission. Never. And I do now because there's some places that I've had

936
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:03,700
of total change. But they're again the final design that the design should be for quality

937
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:09,680
too, not just quality because, you know, time goes by fast. So what's going to happen

938
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,860
between years from now? If people are not satisfied and they have to walk all the way across

939
01:16:14,860 --> 01:16:22,460
for this or like they take the trash all the way across this whole development and and all

940
01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:27,660
of this who's going to live there only just live there a year and then move somewhere else

941
01:16:27,660 --> 01:16:32,300
and if people don't live there guess what the rate goes down so more people comes in there

942
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:38,020
and you know you know where I'm going to put this so that's the only thing so you gotta

943
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:38,740
But

944
01:16:48,380 --> 01:16:56,660
he says anybody else has any additional discussion feel free to have it and reading some stuff personally over here.

945
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:09,370
What do you suppose master doesn't approve this male chaos being located internally and building 100?

946
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:13,850
I would. I mean, the postmaster checker.

947
01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:17,990
You have?

948
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:19,950
We have, we have,

949
01:17:25,150 --> 01:17:25,170
and

950
01:17:57,100 --> 01:18:05,720
here's my concern, and this is based on staff's comment as well.

951
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:12,140
If we were to say, hey, you can give a staff to resolve some of these issues and move forward.

952
01:18:12,780 --> 01:18:17,740
The fact that staff has already indicated that they requested several things of you in their meetings

953
01:18:17,740 --> 01:18:24,860
and you had zero willingness to work with staff in order to hear their concerns in regards

954
01:18:24,860 --> 01:18:28,240
to the site, but yet continued to press the site forward,

955
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,160
is of concern in itself.

956
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:37,380
So how can I put that back up on staff to say, hey, this body feels like many more than

957
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:38,020
two dumpsters.

958
01:18:38,220 --> 01:18:40,480
This body feels like the male kiosk is here.

959
01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:44,560
When staff is sitting here saying that they've made these suggestions to you and they've made

960
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,600
these comments to you.

961
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,860
And yet here we are at this meeting tonight and you've ignored staff.

962
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:57,420
So how can this body forward something to staff with a recommendation or some type of approval

963
01:18:57,420 --> 01:19:04,240
to say, hey, work with staff on this, when staff's comments are falling upon deaf ears?

964
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:09,240
Well, respectfully, and maybe I've missed something here, but the things that were brought

965
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:14,440
up with the dumpster and the milk he asked, that's the first time that I've heard that

966
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:15,060
from staff.

967
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:20,660
Perhaps that's been mentioned to somebody else and not myself, if it was written somewhere,

968
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:27,780
maybe I've missed that and apologies for that, but as far as me personally, that's the first

969
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:35,200
that I've heard of that. So when I hear some feedback from staff, we take that very seriously

970
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:42,960
and seek to implement that into the plans, because we take pride in the work that we do,

971
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:48,680
we want to produce a quality product. It's not just onto the next, you know, I take just as much

972
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:55,420
proud as you guys do and making this city great. So yeah.

973
01:20:03,060 --> 01:20:17,700
John, need believe that the issues that you've heard from us here tonight, if we were to make those conditions of approval, that this would be able to be worked through by yourself and additional staff at the city,

974
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:24,420
in dumpsters.

975
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:28,740
Think that's about it.

976
01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:37,400
Okay, same we're able to add conditions.

977
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,140
Very well.

978
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,460
If all of it doesn't reflect what they've got to do with care and if I'm not responsible.

979
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:43,580
Very well.

980
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:52,540
I'd like to say, regardless of the age, the age, the age, the age, the age, and the age.

981
01:20:52,660 --> 01:20:52,760
Yeah.

982
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,260
All right.

983
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,800
For the discussion questions, comments?

984
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:06,940
Well, just to say, I mean, don't get me wrong in my comments about the mayor room and all,

985
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:10,040
but we want you to be successful if you're successful.

986
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,440
You're going to have a good business.

987
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:18,920
apartments are a business and if they don't make a profit go down in value and they're not a

988
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,040
They're certainly not any pride to have in your city and so I

989
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:28,000
Respect all of the comments. We're all trying to make this a success. So

990
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,820
Yeah, thank you for saying that

991
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,480
All right, thank you

992
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:38,500
Let's go ahead and open the floor for this in comments. He says we should make comment. We're welcome to encourage to do something

993
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:40,900
Please come to my front name and address for the work

994
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:52,270
Seeing those systems and comments, I am going to open the floor for a motion in regards

995
01:21:52,270 --> 01:21:53,710
this item on our agenda.

996
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:00,860
Thank you, Mr. Restaurant.

997
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,700
I should have a dumpster for itself.

998
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:11,440
My individual dumpster for the rest of them, most of the restaurants do have a dumpster.

999
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,100
And they fill them up

1000
01:22:15,150 --> 01:22:16,570
for the people to go to the need to be.

1001
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:25,700
I know I have a concern in regards to some crosswalks.

1002
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:27,700
We have additional dumpsters,

1003
01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:35,510
male kiosk, access, and parking to the kiosk.

1004
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:41,260
Somehow, yeah.

1005
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:41,400
I'd

1006
01:22:47,030 --> 01:23:02,890
like

1007
01:23:05,550 --> 01:23:07,990
to dare to craft a motion in regards to this.

1008
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:31,480
I'll go only and I'll make a motion to approve subject to the additional following conditions.

1009
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:45,060
One is the addition of a crosswalk and I will provide my drawing to staff that I have here indicating these points.

1010
01:23:45,060 --> 01:24:05,350
In addition to the crosswalk at the north west side wall connection, as you come in off the north side, crosswalk again from the commercial to the to the parking lot.

1011
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:15,470
I'm going to include in that crosswalk section the extension of the sidewalk up to old

1012
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:17,810
with road,

1013
01:24:20,210 --> 01:24:23,990
a additional, make sure that there's an

1014
01:24:27,580 --> 01:24:34,740
additional dumpster trac system to be located

1015
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:46,100
on the north section of this property to service, particularly building 200, potentially

1016
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:52,740
building 300 requirement that the commercial facilities have dedicated trash

1017
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:59,840
receptacles just for them that include access points and all across.

1018
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:24,730
This walks to safely get to them that the mail kiosk be removed from the clubhouse, and potentially to mail kiosks be added at the eastern side of the development, as well as the western side of the development.

1019
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:32,370
and shall we cover it and with a minimum of two parking places accessible to that male

1020
01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:33,250
key ask

1021
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:41,150
and subject to all staff confidence.

1022
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:43,390
That is my most favorite.

1023
01:25:45,790 --> 01:25:47,450
That is a motion in a second.

1024
01:25:48,670 --> 01:25:54,550
All those in favor signify by saying aye and raising your hand, aye, against the extensions.

1025
01:25:59,630 --> 01:26:08,850
So for the next item up on the agenda is reviewed the site plan for in light, back with located

1026
01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:12,970
and X-12-009, volunteer and bovard.

1027
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:15,210
Mr. John.

1028
01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:27,670
I'm going to blow a lot of water in there.

1029
01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:31,090
I'm going to go and take them off.

1030
01:26:32,770 --> 01:26:34,230
And essentially, they're at the store.

1031
01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:34,650
I

1032
01:26:36,730 --> 01:26:40,850
just taken this 112,000 pre-interpoint square

1033
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:44,130
for what warehouse is a 16-acre site.

1034
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:47,550
It's owned IR already.

1035
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:58,990
typical of these. We've got a waiver request for precast concrete. I think the

1036
01:26:58,990 --> 01:27:03,810
press is in the area. It fits with its surroundings.

1037
01:27:07,630 --> 01:27:09,530
I think that's it.

1038
01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:13,780
This is

1039
01:27:13,780 --> 01:27:17,580
involved here. It is 75-let's

1040
01:27:21,610 --> 01:27:24,770
call. No, that's all. The conditions, the approval of conditions,

1041
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:25,970
so it's

1042
01:27:29,740 --> 01:27:30,420
a pretty minor.

1043
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:33,900
There we go.

1044
01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:35,500
James, you need there from Public Works.

1045
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,020
Step, Mr. Step, recommend the approval with our comments. Thank you.

1046
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,480
Questions, comments from the commission?

1047
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,220
There's a pretty significant three location on the site.

1048
01:28:07,780 --> 01:28:17,280
The way it was explained to us was that it would be very difficult to connect the road

1049
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,040
completely and stay out of the buffer for the revoked history.

1050
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:29,440
So they did coordinate with the Fire Marshall several times actually to ensure that what

1051
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:33,380
they're showing would be acceptable for our fire department.

1052
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:42,220
I believe every point in the building is within 200 feet of an accessible spot for a fire truck,

1053
01:28:42,780 --> 01:28:44,560
which is for two fire code requires.

1054
01:28:50,410 --> 01:28:54,190
So that's how they came to the gap there that they came to.

1055
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:58,080
Thank you.

1056
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:01,580
For the questions, comments?

1057
01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:06,840
Let's go ahead and ask for representation, name and address for record place.

1058
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:10,240
Connor Gilbert Kimley-Horn, civil society engineer.

1059
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,640
To add to the split connection, there's also some cross drainage that comes off from

1060
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:16,100
off-site.

1061
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:21,720
This is a pretty heavily cross-drained servicing multiple properties that's on the

1062
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:22,760
south side of that building.

1063
01:29:23,780 --> 01:29:28,560
We're essentially maintaining that path of flow and it sort of restricts that full

1064
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,260
circulation that it's also crossport for crossport.

1065
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,540
It's split port for a two-tint build out.

1066
01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:37,940
So you kind of have those dedicated access points

1067
01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:40,860
and parking for the tenants that would be a part

1068
01:29:40,860 --> 01:29:41,840
of that build out.

1069
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,460
So there was, I just drawn on.

1070
01:29:45,460 --> 01:29:48,040
So there was no way to kind of connect these two either

1071
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:48,780
down there.

1072
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:53,040
We looked into it, but that cross-drain kind of

1073
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,860
grants and conflicts where ultimately

1074
01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:58,360
they would result in some substantial changes

1075
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,720
of how drainage patterns all exist.

1076
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:30,860
Okay. Chief folks, was good with it. Good to go. Good to go, question for you. Are you tilt up on this? Yes, sir, tilt up. So I got your color palette and everything back here. And then you're doing texture on top of it. Is the, are you using the smooth form tilt up then is, is the plan? That is my understanding. I mean, from all architectural standpoint, there may be some stamping for texture.

1077
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:33,920
but I do believe it's smooth for.

1078
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,800
So the texture would be applied during the application

1079
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:38,940
of the paint.

1080
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,420
I would just paint or is it some kind of a stuck-over

1081
01:30:43,420 --> 01:30:48,840
drive-in or, I guess, you can put the color out there.

1082
01:30:49,380 --> 01:30:51,340
But what is being applied?

1083
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,240
We just had a few of these commercial buildings

1084
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,200
over there in the area that I like to tilt up

1085
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,280
construction, so I'm a fan of that, especially when

1086
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,320
you get these tall walls.

1087
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:17,340
I think they're safer in a better way to construct these in the long run, but I also want to make sure that the facade and the application and the materials applied to them are also going to hold up and look better than a few of them that said that manufacturer man is a hundred years, we're never going to touch it.

1088
01:31:17,740 --> 01:31:20,580
Anyway, we're seven years in and it looks like you need to touch it.

1089
01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:24,760
I understand, I believe that we need to get that architectural team to confirm that.

1090
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,120
I don't want to speak out of turn there.

1091
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:31,020
But I'm sure that we're willing to comply with any kind of material standards on that front.

1092
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:38,030
And just curiosity out of myself.

1093
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:40,090
How is it?

1094
01:31:41,810 --> 01:31:46,790
We're just going to be a guy with a spray gun and spray in just direct, sure,

1095
01:31:46,970 --> 01:31:48,650
and we need to be sure when we can paint colors.

1096
01:31:48,930 --> 01:31:50,750
So sure when we can paint colors to it.

1097
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:52,930
or is it actually going to have, you know,

1098
01:31:52,930 --> 01:31:56,490
you actually got textured guns or materials or just adding

1099
01:31:56,490 --> 01:32:00,270
that color to something out there,

1100
01:32:01,070 --> 01:32:02,950
at a different type of spray on material

1101
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:04,830
that would give it that kind of finish.

1102
01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:06,850
I got all the school stuck up, you know,

1103
01:32:06,930 --> 01:32:08,270
that sprayed on as well,

1104
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:10,930
but then you put whatever color that you want to it,

1105
01:32:11,130 --> 01:32:12,930
very green or purple or whatever.

1106
01:32:14,230 --> 01:32:15,650
And just gives it a texture,

1107
01:32:15,690 --> 01:32:19,450
gives it a little bit of a feeling of depth and dimension.

1108
01:32:19,450 --> 01:32:25,290
and sometimes, too, can help that a long journey of the paint to hold up.

1109
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:30,970
For the questions comments from the commission?

1110
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:34,510
Thank you so much.

1111
01:32:35,210 --> 01:32:38,850
Seeing not just Tom, I'd like to ask for Susan comments.

1112
01:32:39,170 --> 01:32:41,970
And he says that we should make common of the Guards of Sodom on our General.

1113
01:32:42,010 --> 01:32:43,110
Welcome, we encourage you to do so.

1114
01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:44,010
Please come to the microphone.

1115
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:45,710
State your name and address for the record.

1116
01:32:48,620 --> 01:32:50,740
Seeing not just in comments at this time.

1117
01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:53,280
I'd like to ask for a motion in regards to Sodom on our General.

1118
01:32:56,970 --> 01:32:57,610
It's motion.

1119
01:32:58,570 --> 01:33:07,610
And a second, all those in favor, significant five by saying hi and raise an hand, hi, against extensions, so approved.

1120
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:19,580
Next item up on our agenda is out of nine east or east of the site plan for Hickory Station west, located at 261 west Main Street.

1121
01:33:19,580 --> 01:33:20,960
at least a job.

1122
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:27,000
Yes.

1123
01:33:52,810 --> 01:33:58,810
The condition in there that they add some windows to the north, north of

1124
01:33:58,810 --> 01:34:09,330
Saudi, that's north of the side. It's a little blank. It's going to be facing north. Let me make

1125
01:34:09,330 --> 01:34:17,080
sure I don't have anything else in here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's all recommending approval

1126
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,280
with the conditions, and there's only 13 of them in them, pretty minor.

1127
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:22,720
Well, thank you.

1128
01:34:23,180 --> 01:34:24,600
Shane needs that from public works.

1129
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:27,420
So we recommend approval with our conditions.

1130
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:27,960
It's listed.

1131
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:28,840
Thank you.

1132
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:29,800
Thank you.

1133
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:30,260
Todd, anything?

1134
01:34:31,820 --> 01:34:32,080
Yeah.

1135
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,800
I just want them to move the bike rack.

1136
01:34:34,420 --> 01:34:34,820
Do you mind?

1137
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,320
I want them to move the bike rack.

1138
01:34:36,860 --> 01:34:38,260
Ah, where would you like them to move the bike rack?

1139
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:41,000
Anyway, let's not immediately on a concrete wall.

1140
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,820
Yeah, it looks like there's some spot to the south side of the building there.

1141
01:34:45,820 --> 01:34:48,820
I, your bikes will be blocking your sidewalk there.

1142
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:52,180
Where

1143
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:58,410
do you want it? Tell me where.

1144
01:34:59,090 --> 01:34:59,970
Uh, if it just...

1145
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,180
Local government meeting itself of the building, as opposed to the up against the wall of the dumpster enclosure,

1146
01:35:10,910 --> 01:35:13,930
there's room for it, we can work with the applicant.

1147
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:16,150
Okay. Perfect.

1148
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:18,470
Small details.

1149
01:35:19,010 --> 01:35:19,590
Small details.

1150
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:20,390
Make a difference.

1151
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:21,730
I like it.

1152
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:25,290
Questions comments on the commission?

1153
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:30,500
Seeing none.

1154
01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:32,380
At this time, let's call for citizen comments.

1155
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,480
And what we should make comments.

1156
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:34,540
We're going to encourage you to do so.

1157
01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:37,020
Please come to the microphone and state of naming address for the record.

1158
01:35:39,970 --> 01:35:44,330
Seeing no Susan comments at this time like to ask for a motion regards this item on our agenda

1159
01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:52,700
I'm like a motion to approve so did the staff comments and the

1160
01:35:54,220 --> 01:35:57,260
Movement of the bike rack to a

1161
01:35:58,060 --> 01:35:59,940
site as determined

1162
01:35:59,940 --> 01:36:02,140
our traffic engineer

1163
01:36:03,220 --> 01:36:09,020
It's motion in the second all those in favor seeing five of us saying aye. Raise your hand. Aye against

1164
01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:11,600
extensions so per week.

1165
01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:22,810
Next item up on our agenda is a discussion item. It is item 10A. It is a land use plan and zoning ordinance amendment.

1166
01:36:28,370 --> 01:36:29,730
This Mr. John.

1167
01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:32,250
I give you an update here. So I

1168
01:36:34,580 --> 01:36:35,760
think

1169
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,000
there's a lot. There's no volunteer huge here.

1170
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,420
item if we do it correctly.

1171
01:36:48,140 --> 01:36:53,220
And I think the way I'm thinking about it over the last

1172
01:36:53,220 --> 01:36:59,640
of the weeks, I think the way to proceed the most functional way, most likely way to get

1173
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:05,280
what we want us to amend the code. I think we're going to choose what we need to do by

1174
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:10,720
tweaking. Well, so that's where we back up. We've got to talk about the land. Let's talk about

1175
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:16,340
going on in a bit of a significant point. Tightening those up, those two up, those two up,

1176
01:37:16,340 --> 01:37:16,960
those quick area.

1177
01:37:20,690 --> 01:37:25,690
I looked at PMVP check-up, what were required? I would probably, at this

1178
01:37:25,690 --> 01:37:32,150
one, I'll leave that alone. I made a required part of that on the free PMVP. There is language

1179
01:37:32,150 --> 01:37:40,710
with the FMVP that we could, I think we could. But that's, you know, in a way, as we talked

1180
01:37:40,710 --> 01:37:45,570
last month. There are a lot of the decrease things that we don't want them to be

1181
01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:48,470
decreased. I mean, it's kind of a long kind of a week.

1182
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:51,320
That's a pretty

1183
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,160
reason code of that month.

1184
01:37:55,340 --> 01:37:58,660
The checklist volume, pretty, pretty, pretty

1185
01:37:58,660 --> 01:38:02,290
straightforward code of that month. I think we can kind of

1186
01:38:02,290 --> 01:38:12,390
This way, some of these fear, whether we get on the VF and VF by making this week's to those items in the other parts of it.

1187
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:20,030
And so the wind, now, right up to the landing map, I

1188
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,160
haven't landed fully on that, where I would like,

1189
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:30,640
I think there's a couple options that we thought, I thought, you know, we talked about a part of that,

1190
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:37,960
But I don't really know at this time that would be the best possible.

1191
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:44,860
I think the, we're going to do the land is a member of the land that I do the whole thing.

1192
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,200
It's just due for that event.

1193
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:55,860
Some of these properties down in that area, I don't know.

1194
01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:59,980
I mean, they've got this practicality, I think, about it,

1195
01:38:59,980 --> 01:39:04,320
to how do we even change the land with plans for some of these,

1196
01:39:05,020 --> 01:39:11,360
a landless plan is that it has come from the question of African and a reason that has come from it.

1197
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:12,700
So I don't,

1198
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:19,250
it's, we have to really dialogue deep, I think, and look at the whole land, it's fine.

1199
01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:24,930
But when my thoughts are far, this is good.

1200
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:31,470
I hope, I hope it has been there, because this is, and I don't know, I don't really know how to proceed.

1201
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:40,530
There are some DPS, DPS issues that are haven't, that can be fixed with an awarding

1202
01:39:40,530 --> 01:39:42,130
amendment and it's pretty good.

1203
01:39:43,090 --> 01:39:46,070
So it's a land risk, or I am changes

1204
01:39:49,870 --> 01:39:51,510
kind of now.

1205
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:53,370
I'd rather just say it's really a whole plan.

1206
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,020
I don't know what else, what else we want to add to that, but that kind of where I'm out on the point.

1207
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:09,820
You have some comments as well?

1208
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,300
Yeah, I'm going to speak John a little bit for you.

1209
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:22,080
We've been talking about this for about a month since the last issues that Mr. Franklin brought up in the last meeting

1210
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:28,060
mean use math and has spoke about some of this. And what we would like to see first is

1211
01:40:28,060 --> 01:40:33,380
without going into a complete overhaul for the land use right out of the gate, we would

1212
01:40:33,380 --> 01:40:41,100
like to see if we can tighten up the distance between FMP and FMP and FMP just by adding

1213
01:40:43,940 --> 01:40:51,360
some verbiage and tightening up the six criteria that equals substantial compliance. I think

1214
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:58,160
some of the concerns that not only the planning commission has discussed that we've also heard from the

1215
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:06,440
B the VOC as well is making sure that substantial compliance is a little more substantial

1216
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:15,730
is what we're looking for and hoping that we can accomplish that but instead of using the terms

1217
01:41:15,730 --> 01:41:20,570
of them, the mayor's use because I didn't know what it meant for a minute is we don't want to throw

1218
01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:22,050
the baby out with the bath water.

1219
01:41:23,190 --> 01:41:26,650
So if we can do that by tightening up those six criteria

1220
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:29,350
that would probably be our first step

1221
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:31,670
and our preferred step and then if it doesn't get

1222
01:41:31,670 --> 01:41:34,450
where we need to be, then we can look at other options.

1223
01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:37,730
That's what we would prefer as staff.

1224
01:41:38,350 --> 01:41:42,270
And I think that is based on the VOC members

1225
01:41:42,270 --> 01:41:47,350
that I've spoken with is the preferred first step.

1226
01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:54,780
What are some of the things that always come up, right?

1227
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,840
We're always talking about crosswalk striping that was missed,

1228
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,440
or we're always talking about male kiosks,

1229
01:42:01,580 --> 01:42:04,980
and we're always talking about garbage,

1230
01:42:05,420 --> 01:42:07,660
receptacle, locations. There's got to be a way.

1231
01:42:09,700 --> 01:42:10,220
What's that?

1232
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,620
We're talking from another planet.

1233
01:42:14,180 --> 01:42:14,440
Yeah.

1234
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:19,100
We could do those things, but it was a separate, could be separate, right?

1235
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,580
No, no, but it's not, that's like commercial standards.

1236
01:42:24,380 --> 01:42:24,860
Yes, okay.

1237
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,940
And like a couple months ago, we did do one for the mail to the ask.

1238
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,440
How do we, how do we even, there's only so much we have we can control with that.

1239
01:42:37,860 --> 01:42:38,560
Is there?

1240
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,780
Well, we could, we could, I mean, we could make those changes.

1241
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,900
I mean, yeah, but I don't think they're,

1242
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,400
they're not really related to what they're talking about.

1243
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,920
Okay, okay, understood.

1244
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:54,340
See one of the things that I've had and then my particular issues.

1245
01:42:54,500 --> 01:43:00,400
I mean, you can see it, it's not as evident as I thought it was going to be, but it is.

1246
01:43:05,060 --> 01:43:06,180
The PMDP,

1247
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:15,840
I mean, maybe it's as easy as saying your FMDP building locations have to be the same at FMDP.

1248
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,660
Well, right now it's an approximate location.

1249
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:20,720
But exactly.

1250
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:22,560
Yeah.

1251
01:43:23,020 --> 01:43:23,500
Because.

1252
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:24,460
We can change that a little bit.

1253
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:25,200
A few different.

1254
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:26,840
Just with those.

1255
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:28,520
List requirements.

1256
01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:29,080
Yeah.

1257
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:29,460
It's funny.

1258
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,580
We don't see any of this.

1259
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,960
P and D p to F and D p when it comes to a laid out subdivision.

1260
01:43:37,020 --> 01:43:38,080
We'll see a few.

1261
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,340
But it's nothing really major out there.

1262
01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:45,020
You know, you wrote is your road, your house is split off or your house is split off.

1263
01:43:45,020 --> 01:43:49,860
I can't speak to one that is just a residential neighborhood that I said,

1264
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,540
man, this doesn't look anything like what will be approved.

1265
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:58,300
And yet here we are in a 12-month time period that I can name you 34,

1266
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,880
that just don't, you know, they come in selling a vision.

1267
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,760
And somewhere between PMDP and FMDP, the vision is lost, totally modified,

1268
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:21,000
And it just doesn't, I know it's in compliance, but it doesn't match what we were, you

1269
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:27,000
know, Game of the Dinner and Ain't What We Ordered, kind of a feeling is a thing here.

1270
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:33,480
And so maybe it's the, maybe it's the teeth that, you know, do your homework, do your research

1271
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:35,960
and put your buildings for the supposed to be in a living there.

1272
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,980
And then maybe it's something as well that we put,

1273
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:43,460
hey, you can't build your residential until you build your commercial.

1274
01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:49,280
So we did, we have discussed putting some triggers in place

1275
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,760
where a certain percentage of commercial,

1276
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,040
if it is a mixed use,

1277
01:44:54,340 --> 01:44:56,460
that's a certain number of commercials are available

1278
01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:58,880
before you can get a number of CO's residential.

1279
01:44:58,880 --> 01:44:59,560
But...

1280
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,960
I think one of the things that me and John have been quite a bit of time on as well as the city

1281
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:12,260
attorney is that when we're bring coming in as a preliminary plan, it is very much conceptual,

1282
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:19,320
it is very much preliminary. So getting married too much to what it is in a preliminary

1283
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:24,700
plan, they may have different vendors that may come in that they mean when they come in for

1284
01:45:24,700 --> 01:45:27,940
those preliminary plans, they don't know who their tenants are going to be. They don't

1285
01:45:27,940 --> 01:45:32,640
know who, I mean, they, if I know that they want to have mixed use, or they may know

1286
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,880
that there could be a commercial aspect to it, but they don't necessarily know what that

1287
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:41,720
binner's going to want their building shaped like, or the number of units that they

1288
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:46,620
may have the number of units that they want, but they may not know exactly the way of that building

1289
01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:52,740
is going to lay out. So while I understand what the planning commission is talking about

1290
01:45:52,740 --> 01:45:57,760
and wanting to get away from debate and switches, we do have to understand, I mean,

1291
01:45:57,940 --> 01:46:06,420
Bobby, you've done this before, you understand what, when they're coming in at a preliminary stage, that is a very

1292
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:10,640
broad conceptual plan that they're coming in.

1293
01:46:13,020 --> 01:46:19,380
Level that preliminary that's been on next step and then the final, we've already got three.

1294
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,480
We already have a concept, plan two, you can submit a concept.

1295
01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:36,040
or the topic of land use anyway and I mean the other's probably trouble between holding

1296
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:42,360
them accountable but you know we we get land use plan amendment requests almost every

1297
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:47,460
meeting about four or five in the meeting so the development community they're not afraid

1298
01:46:47,460 --> 01:46:53,180
to change our land use plan we shouldn't be afraid to change our land use plan the problem I mean this

1299
01:46:53,180 --> 01:46:59,480
question that I don't have the vote, I've got a vote on it. Ultimately, the city commission

1300
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:04,360
gets to choose to amend the land use plan, since they adopted it. So they have the final

1301
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:10,920
side. But the question is, you got two quarters that are about to bloom. One is already

1302
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:17,900
blooming, obviously. And what do you want it to look like? I mean, do you want it to be all

1303
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:23,160
apartments? Because right now the environment in the development community is that's the easiest

1304
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:29,200
way to make a big sale. You could get the most for your property if you can flip an apartment

1305
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:35,940
complex on it through whatever standards we come up with. So the real question is, I see it,

1306
01:47:36,180 --> 01:47:40,940
is do you want central pipe to be all apartments? I mean, we just see what the preliminary

1307
01:47:40,940 --> 01:47:46,900
master's development plan is when we approve a set and there's more coming in just that one,

1308
01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:55,580
But central pipe is a pretty long road and there's a lot of land use that can come in.

1309
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:01,660
And so as long as we got mixed use down there, originally mixed use in Mount Julie was in on one lot.

1310
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:07,460
Remember, it was a town center concept here where we brought mixed use in.

1311
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:09,800
We start talking about mixed use in one building.

1312
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:11,540
That's where it started.

1313
01:48:11,540 --> 01:48:18,190
And now we're mixing uses in a hood in different lives and we're mixing so many uses up that you're having to put

1314
01:48:19,460 --> 01:48:26,900
landscaping between you. That's not really mixed use when you have to buffer it internally. I mean, that's how ridiculous it's kind of God

1315
01:48:26,900 --> 01:48:30,240
But I think I think we're getting duped into thinking

1316
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:36,080
That no one wants to come to Mount Juliet unless he gives us a set of apartments first and that's not true

1317
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:41,240
It's not true people are wanting to locate businesses in Mount Juliet without having apartments

1318
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:47,160
there are other redevelopers that will come. So, the land use question, I don't think we've even talked

1319
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:53,940
about yet. Do we really want that many more apartments up and down, go and bear gateway? My answer would

1320
01:48:53,940 --> 01:49:00,760
be no. I mean, I don't have a vote on the City Commission, but that would be my, I think you got plenty.

1321
01:49:01,900 --> 01:49:06,180
I don't think you have, I don't think Mount Juliet has to take that to get something

1322
01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:15,120
anything added. It'll come. Sure. I think we're talking about two different areas of the city

1323
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:21,420
when we're talking about central parking when we're talking about vote and bear. And what

1324
01:49:21,420 --> 01:49:27,020
your correct is, we don't want necessarily to see apartment complexes going up and down

1325
01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:31,620
vote and bear. There is a different conversation to whether apartment complexes near an

1326
01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:39,160
state route is a different conversation. But up and down gold and bear, especially a large portion

1327
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:46,900
from division to say, curb road. A lot of that is currently sold and I'm sure you're aware of that.

1328
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:59,980
And currently, as we're said here today, all of that is zone industrial. And we definitely don't want to

1329
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:22,560
Kenny Martin calls it golden for a reason, right? So there's an issue of council, right? Well, not necessarily, even though that has sold recently, we are actively in negotiations with the people that are going to develop that side from division street to

1330
01:50:23,620 --> 01:50:32,160
occurred road or to woodland place for that much. And although you will be coming very

1331
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:38,960
soon to the eight or near you, there is going to be a phase one of that that is going

1332
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:44,140
to be industrial, but it's phase one is going to be tucked near the railroad tracks, and

1333
01:50:44,140 --> 01:50:49,660
they do have some plans for some industrial coming on from that. However, everything passed

1334
01:50:49,660 --> 01:50:54,680
that based on the conversation we've had is not going to be industrial.

1335
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:58,800
They're going to come back and ask for land use changes, where it is going to be a lot

1336
01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:59,460
of OPS.

1337
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,540
It's going to be a lot of single family residential.

1338
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,540
There's going to be two schools that you are, I'm sure most of you, especially you Mr. Franklin

1339
01:51:07,540 --> 01:51:13,440
are aware, that's going to be going in there where this developer is actively working with

1340
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:17,660
the school board to not only grant them access easement to the schools which is a problem

1341
01:51:17,660 --> 01:51:18,180
currently.

1342
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:23,240
But they're also working to provide sewer directly to those schools.

1343
01:51:24,140 --> 01:51:29,480
So gold and bear, we definitely don't want to see industrial all the way down.

1344
01:51:29,580 --> 01:51:32,400
We don't want to see a part of the complex is all the way down.

1345
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:38,260
There is a good plan that we are currently working on as a staff with the developer for

1346
01:51:38,260 --> 01:51:45,060
that property that will provide the gold and ticket that the city is looking for.

1347
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:53,560
As far as central pipe goes, I understand that's a lot of your other job, say responsibilities,

1348
01:51:54,480 --> 01:52:00,880
and you may not want to see apartments in that area and maybe the residents over there don't

1349
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:07,540
want either. But there is a different conversation to be had regarding the proximity to an interstate

1350
01:52:07,540 --> 01:52:14,080
interchange. And if we are going to have apartment complexes or multi-family, I prefer to use the

1351
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:24,320
multiple family. In that area that there is an argument depending on who you are, it asks the place that you want to see that at.

1352
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,640
Like, the bigger concern with Central Pikes is where all those kids go to school.

1353
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:34,440
And I don't know that Wilson County has any land over that way. Like, they do off-go and there.

1354
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,480
You know, that is a perfect question for a county commissioner to answer.

1355
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,840
And that's kind of, that's right, the Central Pike interchange, you know, I could see

1356
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:53,760
the density, the stain, north, or staying south of 40, and whatnot, but then the Central

1357
01:52:55,160 --> 01:53:01,540
Pike moves up through there, and we get into some of our traditional properties, some

1358
01:53:01,540 --> 01:53:05,700
older age properties and larger lots,

1359
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,880
you know, I wouldn't have imagined that you're going

1360
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,360
to go down 40 out of Nashville and say, imagine you look next three exits. I never

1361
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:20,380
my lifetime I would have ever imagined that one. And I sure don't want somebody's impression

1362
01:53:20,980 --> 01:53:25,000
as they make their first trip to Michigan coming out of Nashville coming out of Nashville

1363
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:30,980
International Airport. And see, imagine you look next three exits. And their first impression

1364
01:53:30,980 --> 01:53:35,700
amount of joy that is apartment central because that elevation particularly on the north side

1365
01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:43,980
will look up on the upper the the interstate and and and but that's his longevity and

1366
01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:47,460
somewhere I understand we need the density and we need those things out there.

1367
01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:53,500
There's one thing's by you know you never get a second chance to make a first impression

1368
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:59,540
and in the first impression for everybody new coming into Mount Jyllis and exploring the flow

1369
01:53:59,540 --> 01:54:05,660
where they fly here from Timbuck to or wherever and they fly in the Nashville, their first

1370
01:54:05,660 --> 01:54:13,960
impression would be exactly that. Is that the first impression that we want to give to

1371
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:19,020
them out there becomes a magic question? It maybe is, I mean, that is a B.O.C. Altman answer,

1372
01:54:19,420 --> 01:54:26,160
and it's not this body's answer to it. This body chose to do that because there's an identified

1373
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:31,400
problem out there. And there's not a clear vision. We're letting others create the vision

1374
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:39,700
force instead of ourselves. And we've been in a defensive position through a lot of growth.

1375
01:54:39,740 --> 01:54:44,980
We've learned a lot. This provenance came here. We learned a ton as we develop paddocks.

1376
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:51,300
And then we would have thought that we could build our own road and create golden bear for

1377
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:58,680
that is and back with road for what it is, something other than known for Tracy Lawrence.

1378
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,740
So there are many years ago, or air and tipping, living over in the city, kind of a deal.

1379
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:16,720
And I'd just like to see it be your gateway as to Wilson County and to Mount Gillet.

1380
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,520
We're going to send the standard for everybody coming out of Nashville.

1381
01:55:21,380 --> 01:55:29,240
And as you look at the land you spy on currently, I don't know that that's the vision

1382
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:35,380
that we need to create. And so maybe that is the solution that's not necessarily a committee

1383
01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:42,340
then making that recommendation but to open it up. I don't know how you guys are financially

1384
01:55:42,340 --> 01:55:48,500
to build a support. The financial commitment that comes with opening up the land use plan.

1385
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:54,080
I think last time as many years ago, my understanding is we spent around 100 grand

1386
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:59,720
to discover the land use plan because it was professionally done and we opened it up.

1387
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,940
Those are professionally done and we hire outside engineers.

1388
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:07,260
We hire what is the MTAAC task that comes in here.

1389
01:56:07,740 --> 01:56:14,340
There's a large financial commitment from the city that's going to come along with that and if that's what we're talking about in 2.38.

1390
01:56:15,460 --> 01:56:18,480
That's where the city wants to go and did that expenditure.

1391
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:24,960
I mean, and that's the recommendation back for us, do we have the money to do that?

1392
01:56:25,540 --> 01:56:29,120
Well, that's apparently a $238,000 question.

1393
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:34,480
But I think you referenced a $100,000 inflation is going to change that number.

1394
01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:39,520
It may not be $238, but there's going to be an inflationary number associated with that.

1395
01:56:40,420 --> 01:56:42,940
And those of you that paid attention to our most recent budget,

1396
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:47,400
understand that there's some shortfall of the different places that we're trying to overcome.

1397
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:53,360
then there's several things that, you know, you may see on the referendum coming up here in November

1398
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:59,800
3rd that we were supposed to report your vote on, but we would also like to see happen, but

1399
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:05,510
I can't speak to our budgetary issues. Those are BLC issues, but I will say that

1400
01:57:06,380 --> 01:57:12,140
no different thing go to bear and the things that how we started this conversation talking about

1401
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:18,780
and the six regulations up to meet substantial compliance and the staff work that is being done

1402
01:57:18,780 --> 01:57:25,320
behind the scenes to negotiate with Golden Bear versus that couldn't could have very easily by

1403
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:33,420
right came in and just do warehouse at the warehouse. I see the central pipe interchange is being

1404
01:57:33,420 --> 01:57:39,520
no different than that that you're going to this board and the regulations that John is talking about

1405
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:43,840
and the staff trying to negotiate the best product going forward,

1406
01:57:44,740 --> 01:57:47,280
is it likely or realistic to think we're not going

1407
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,260
to have any apartment complexes or any multi-family

1408
01:57:50,260 --> 01:57:51,760
in that interchange area?

1409
01:57:52,140 --> 01:57:53,880
It's probably not realistic to think

1410
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:55,160
if there's not going to be any.

1411
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:56,480
Matter of fact, there's already some

1412
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,620
and I believe in Providence Central that are already

1413
01:57:59,620 --> 01:58:01,280
zone and proof for them, right?

1414
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:02,860
So that's going to happen.

1415
01:58:03,780 --> 01:58:08,540
But what we can do is try to continue as this board does

1416
01:58:08,540 --> 01:58:13,340
to, and talk to the developers that come to your podium to negotiate the best product

1417
01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:17,220
forward that your staff can negotiate the best product forward.

1418
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:23,040
We put teeth into things that narrow the gap between what you were given and what sucks,

1419
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:25,860
you know, ultimately ended up being the product.

1420
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:35,400
I think that is probably our best path forward without going $238,000 at a product that we don't have.

1421
01:58:36,060 --> 01:58:40,580
And quite honestly, may end up with the same result at the end of it.

1422
01:58:43,060 --> 01:58:44,140
Who don't rub it in?

1423
01:58:44,140 --> 01:58:45,040
I'm just saying.

1424
01:58:46,020 --> 01:58:49,720
Because it is finally the VOC's decision of what happened, right?

1425
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:55,500
One of the things that I think we run the risk at Central Pike right now.

1426
01:58:55,760 --> 01:59:03,480
But if anybody wants to be honest, if apartments, the whole idea of Central Pike was to flush out the traffic from the south side of the city,

1427
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:08,720
where it doesn't have to come and cross, you know, retail shopping center traffic.

1428
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:11,220
We just mix it all together there to get on the interstate.

1429
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,060
So the idea is it's just going to be like a great big vacuum.

1430
01:59:14,340 --> 01:59:15,440
Take all that away.

1431
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:18,380
Take half the traffic off of Mt. Stewart Road.

1432
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:20,700
Let's hope, especially in the morning and evening.

1433
01:59:20,900 --> 01:59:24,800
Well, if you go and clog that up with apartments, no one's going to take it.

1434
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:28,940
They're going to still go up to Mt. Stewart Road and get on if it's easier to get on there.

1435
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:31,560
I mean, that's just the reality of driving a car, right?

1436
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:36,960
And I can give you plenty of examples in Metro Nashville where that's happened, even right

1437
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:40,540
on down Central Park, trying to get right before you get to the hospital down there where

1438
01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:45,080
they put apartments, just swallowed up Central Park, try to go through there at 8 o'clock

1439
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:45,640
in the morning.

1440
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:53,680
If we do that to Central Park, it's not going to help us defer any traffic from the interchange,

1441
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:55,900
which was a whole idea of having the interchange.

1442
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:59,960
And so I guess my real concern here.

1443
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,500
There's that. It's easy to happen. And it clogs up quickly. I mean, you have 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, you can get

1444
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:13,280
1200 units of the department. It's really easy. Real fast down there. They're all going to get on the

1445
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:19,140
interstate at the same time. And pretty soon people say, well, I'll just go back to Mount Jui Road. There's

1446
02:00:19,140 --> 02:00:26,500
and then pretty soon we've just got two interchanges that are problem. And I guess that's my biggest

1447
02:00:26,500 --> 02:00:35,700
and I was hoping that maybe a land use plan, a amendment, or something might steer us away from that.

1448
02:00:37,310 --> 02:00:38,450
Please, Commissioner Jobs?

1449
02:00:39,650 --> 02:00:46,490
Well, we obviously do not have the money right now in the budget to do this, but we could probably end the future.

1450
02:00:47,630 --> 02:00:53,070
And I can only speak for me, but I think the rest of the commission will probably say,

1451
02:00:53,070 --> 02:00:56,410
that staff work on this, and what you were talking about before

1452
02:00:56,410 --> 02:01:00,250
to try to get some teeth and this stuff to try to help some of this.

1453
02:01:01,370 --> 02:01:05,390
I think it's exciting once one happens on a golden bear, and I think

1454
02:01:05,390 --> 02:01:09,630
there's one that adds a lot of things that we wanted in the city, and

1455
02:01:09,630 --> 02:01:11,010
we'll see that develop there.

1456
02:01:11,090 --> 02:01:16,730
As far as apartments are concerned, I also understand where when you have so many

1457
02:01:16,730 --> 02:01:19,170
apartments together, it can cause these type of troubles.

1458
02:01:19,170 --> 02:01:25,410
But we, you know, there's other places that we don't have apartments that would probably be

1459
02:01:25,410 --> 02:01:26,970
good places to have other apartments.

1460
02:01:27,790 --> 02:01:33,490
So I meet with the development next week, actually, too.

1461
02:01:33,630 --> 02:01:40,750
But one of them probably will have a multi-family element in this development.

1462
02:01:41,230 --> 02:01:48,390
And it's definitely not going to be on central part, but it's also going to create an area where

1463
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:52,390
that we don't have very much multi-family and people could

1464
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:57,270
and ingress any graces is good in this area.

1465
02:01:57,610 --> 02:01:59,390
I think, and it will improve it.

1466
02:02:00,270 --> 02:02:03,130
So, you know, there are some places and pockets

1467
02:02:03,130 --> 02:02:05,730
and just think about where we're sitting right now.

1468
02:02:05,970 --> 02:02:07,690
Think about what all this is going to be.

1469
02:02:09,420 --> 02:02:10,880
So, that's what this is going to be.

1470
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,860
Yeah, I'm coming soon.

1471
02:02:14,820 --> 02:02:17,520
I think it's coming soon.

1472
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:22,400
But with that, the city and the vision was to have a walkable downtown.

1473
02:02:23,620 --> 02:02:29,740
A thriving downtown, you can't have a thriving downtown unless you have a lot of family to support it.

1474
02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:36,600
I said on that board, and I voted against those right down here, and if I had my time to dig over, I would have voted for that.

1475
02:02:37,340 --> 02:02:43,100
You know, I tell you when I feel like I've done wrong, and I mean, not make the best decision.

1476
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:48,560
You know, and where else are you going to put it then down here if you want to thrive in downtown?

1477
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:51,400
That's going to come with the decreased speed limit out here.

1478
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:54,440
It's going to come with crowdswerp, lots, it's going to come with lines.

1479
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:06,560
So, you know, there's areas, and you're not talked about this, there's areas, and it comes with that infrastructure improvement.

1480
02:03:07,420 --> 02:03:12,760
So, I think what the staff's trying to do is just say, give them a chance to do this right now.

1481
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:19,480
keep this on the back burner as far as the land use plan and let's see how this goes and

1482
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:23,700
then we can look at it. And hopefully with everything going on, there's a lot going on right now

1483
02:03:23,700 --> 02:03:28,800
the city for us as the Board of Commissioners. We've got this that you alluded to that's coming

1484
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:35,580
up as a referendum. We've got this back here and the C.V. going on this and there's a lot.

1485
02:03:35,580 --> 02:03:36,220
So,

1486
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:49,560
there are one of the things that come in the mind that kind of we don't think that things will happen out there.

1487
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,560
One of them, and you look at it today, like, man, why didn't we make this thing happen?

1488
02:03:54,980 --> 02:03:59,620
The connection right there at Nalvalentir Bank used to be as an inbank.

1489
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:10,040
As I was mostly till the angle by that property, it will be a bone yard or scrap yard and also an opportunity to put apartments right there at that location.

1490
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:16,740
And it is a bone in a scrap yard.

1491
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:18,880
We had a good traffic design.

1492
02:04:18,980 --> 02:04:20,780
We had a good road design to come through there.

1493
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:22,500
We lost an opportunity.

1494
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:27,860
We had a Mr. Franklin out where we agree on this tonight.

1495
02:04:27,860 --> 02:04:32,780
We disagreed on a property at Beckworth Road in Belinda City.

1496
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:41,420
Mr. Freyclist said, there is no way they are going to build any buildings or warehouses on that right there in that road coming over there from Beckworth.

1497
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:48,760
They are like, give it a try. We had a great apartment, a deal in town home, kind of a mixed use plan that we looked at on that.

1498
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:53,040
We turned it down and we got warehouses sitting over there right now on major road frontage

1499
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:53,780
for us.

1500
02:04:54,060 --> 02:04:55,020
Because we didn't think it would happen.

1501
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:59,980
We turned down another multifamily development at the back.

1502
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:29,680
We're going to open up this to central pipe when this Commissioner Franklin said that the whole purpose of central pipe interchange is to help us to relieve some traffic of these hot points. And then that's where we're not going to make any paint getting off into moves to change that. Just doesn't make any sense.

1503
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:35,060
It just doesn't make any sense. I just don't know how that one does to be honest with you

1504
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:41,480
Because if you if as as any railway goes if you call it at its entry point it's angry as an egress

1505
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:46,380
Everything else backs up accordingly and and if we leave it the way it is

1506
02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:50,120
Things will be driven dictated the same way they were for us

1507
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:55,240
We will not get into control of it. It's gonna be controlled by the people that come in here

1508
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:59,920
And I think that we have a unique opportunity to make a statement put our foot down

1509
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:07,800
for one time understand money's time. I mean, money's time for everybody. But if you do it

1510
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:15,780
right, everything else good evolves. And if you do it wrong, it's a mark on the city and

1511
02:06:15,780 --> 02:06:20,960
everything else that follows will not be what we want. And I think it's a big line in the

1512
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:27,100
same. I think that the longer you wait, the more the power acquires the properties out there.

1513
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:34,300
I think that that if it's a year from now because it's budget season is what June may June.

1514
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:38,900
So you're a year from now if we get into that land you explain and we hadn't done anything.

1515
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:46,760
That thing has got to be on people's radar up there and acquiring gathering properties right now in order to do that.

1516
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:51,260
And if they hear that we have any desire to make any changes up there they're going to come quick.

1517
02:06:52,460 --> 02:07:04,340
And they're going to make it happen and we're going to sit here and with with no, as we already know right now, we have no grounds if they meet our regulations to turn any of them back.

1518
02:07:05,820 --> 02:07:12,080
And we're going to be, you know, another good dad saying, if you always do, you always did, you always get what you always got.

1519
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:19,360
that's kind of what we're going to post yourself for instead of taking an offense of

1520
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:26,280
position, say let's wait, let's see what happens. Let's give it a year. 53 years old years,

1521
02:07:26,420 --> 02:07:29,880
seen my days right now, unfortunately,

1522
02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:36,220
but at a respect for the position and everything, you know,

1523
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:41,000
we'll move to the side if that's the will of the city for us not to form a subcommittee and look

1524
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:46,200
those areas. I think it's disrespectful to do anything other than that. If that's the

1525
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:51,520
well of the Board of Commissioners and the city as well for us not to take that on and do it.

1526
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:57,160
I think that would be foolish to ignore that. But I'll go on record to say, I think that it's

1527
02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:02,280
it's a mistake out to take an offensive position towards it because I think we're going to run

1528
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:07,440
that a time when we're going to find ourselves in an awkward position. Because too many times I've seen

1529
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:11,960
ain't never going to happen, and it's happened, I think this will happen too, unfortunately.

1530
02:08:14,420 --> 02:08:21,080
First, if I might tell them, dealing with the land use, you might make it to come in

1531
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:24,740
about all the land use, any of those that we pass.

1532
02:08:26,180 --> 02:08:31,080
Many times the people come in here, and we give a positive recommendation, and any time

1533
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:37,140
is negative. So I out of to not have any word we're negative. I know a one that I wanted to be

1534
02:08:37,140 --> 02:08:43,760
positive. So how many of those were positive? So where is it stopped? We talk about that change,

1535
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:49,800
but we have the power to say no, it's negative. Okay. A negative mechanization. So we have to look at

1536
02:08:49,800 --> 02:09:03,200
ourselves too, now, agree. So, please, I look at the city 11 as a cautionary tale.

1537
02:09:03,820 --> 02:09:10,460
We've got what's maybe 7,000 units approved over the last few years that are in process.

1538
02:09:10,460 --> 02:09:13,660
And, you know, in the city of Mount Julia,

1539
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:18,460
11th, 11th, 11th, it's got 14,000 give or take

1540
02:09:18,460 --> 02:09:23,540
with no sewer capability, roads are clogged already.

1541
02:09:24,820 --> 02:09:27,260
So, we've done a good job thus far

1542
02:09:27,260 --> 02:09:31,080
of having our zoning and codes being tighter

1543
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:33,720
and has led to what I would consider

1544
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:35,680
somewhat more responsible growth.

1545
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:45,140
But if we don't continue to maintain and maybe even increase the strength of our zoning

1546
02:09:45,140 --> 02:09:47,860
encodes, we could run into some serious problems.

1547
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:49,780
And that's exactly what they're saying.

1548
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:50,760
They've got to want to do it.

1549
02:09:50,900 --> 02:09:51,500
Fix that.

1550
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:53,140
Yeah.

1551
02:09:53,420 --> 02:09:55,720
I'll make up.

1552
02:09:55,980 --> 02:09:56,020
Commissioner.

1553
02:09:56,020 --> 02:09:59,980
But the theme of the day is... Commissioner Jaws is...

1554
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,160
Exactly right, it boils down to staff can bring whatever you want. We can't keep somebody from coming to that podium.

1555
02:10:08,100 --> 02:10:21,260
Every meeting we have, we're questioning most of our family. But it boils down to this body and the body above us, whether they allow those things, whether you allow the land use changes, or whether you allow those things to occur.

1556
02:10:21,860 --> 02:10:28,820
I mean, we can do our due diligence and you can do your due diligence, but we're not

1557
02:10:28,820 --> 02:10:32,640
going to stop them from coming from to that podium and it's just a matter of what we

1558
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:33,720
do when that happens.

1559
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:35,020
Yeah, I agree.

1560
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:39,460
If I get a lot of feedback from people, you know, you just do this or you just prove that

1561
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:45,700
for this, this, this, this, you know, you got the property owner's advice and we try to make

1562
02:10:45,700 --> 02:10:54,420
consideration towards that. What would be, so I heard two things. Let's cover first one first.

1563
02:10:55,060 --> 02:11:04,140
So what John said there. So staff is looking at a potential regulation change right now.

1564
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,800
And the regulation change would be kind of focused towards the multi-use category.

1565
02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:17,460
and particularly, or is it towards a multi-use category or is this towards going to cover

1566
02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:25,200
everything really transitioning from PMDP, FMDP, everything, because it's kind of, you know,

1567
02:11:25,500 --> 02:11:32,780
I'm in there 22 years now somehow and it doesn't feel like that other than this last 12 months

1568
02:11:32,780 --> 02:11:36,940
that I've ever encountered this scenario where things don't look like what we have heard.

1569
02:11:39,940 --> 02:11:40,780
Okay.

1570
02:11:41,780 --> 02:11:43,840
I think it should.

1571
02:11:44,580 --> 02:11:47,540
That the mobile family has to be upon so.

1572
02:11:47,900 --> 02:11:48,480
That was fun.

1573
02:11:49,180 --> 02:11:49,540
Yeah.

1574
02:11:49,860 --> 02:11:56,140
And put better teeth into what transition from PMDP to FMDP.

1575
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:02,800
Would it include language kind of particularly towards this multi-use.

1576
02:12:04,020 --> 02:12:08,040
And I, the commercial because as we've stated here,

1577
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:32,020
We feel like the commercial is the, the worm on the big of a, on the back of a big hook and that the commercial may or may not or as I feel like to that plan tonight. Unfortunately, I was in a position where I had to recommend it for approval, but they could their commercial look like they just threw it up there and really who cares.

1578
02:12:33,820 --> 02:12:40,000
If there's a way to do that, you know, about board legally, I think if there's a amendment,

1579
02:12:40,220 --> 02:12:47,020
I can be done that holds the water, I think you can investigate that.

1580
02:12:48,140 --> 02:12:56,940
Can we require, Sam, the commercial, to be phase one, of all, of every one of them?

1581
02:12:56,940 --> 02:13:02,500
So I have talked about that with staff and generally we just see that come through the pod process

1582
02:13:02,500 --> 02:13:09,580
So ends up being a condition in the pod based on what that pod has and what the needs of it are since all different

1583
02:13:10,180 --> 02:13:16,740
You could add it to the code, but it seems to work just having it as part of the pod

1584
02:13:16,740 --> 02:13:19,440
But they do have to submit a phasing plan

1585
02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:23,000
And in more school days, they didn't plan to make a commercial

1586
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:27,880
business plan. But they could correct me if I'm wrong, like the one that we've proved tonight.

1587
02:13:30,300 --> 02:13:37,540
They could come in and just do the residential. Could they not? There is no requirement for them to do that commercial

1588
02:13:37,540 --> 02:13:49,000
abortion. I don't think there was triggers on that one, but since that time, it has, I feel like these

1589
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:54,060
I wouldn't do it. I mean, finding good tenants right now are pretty challenging thing in that

1590
02:13:54,060 --> 02:14:00,220
world. But finding people to buy apartment complex is pretty easy in this world right now.

1591
02:14:02,180 --> 02:14:09,080
And so can we put, you know, just a requirement commercial must be completed in phase one of these

1592
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:15,860
multi. And I think that that potentially solves a lot of problems. If you and you don't need

1593
02:14:15,860 --> 02:14:21,040
had to put triggers on CEOs. He just said, hey, commercial has to be

1594
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:22,160
done in your first place.

1595
02:14:22,780 --> 02:14:26,240
Not be thinking about. And that is when they come in and build the

1596
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:29,820
residential side and then sell it. And then you got somebody else in

1597
02:14:29,820 --> 02:14:34,220
here stuck with a pud that they didn't get approved, but they own it now.

1598
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:37,300
They're committed to build something they never even really wanted to

1599
02:14:37,300 --> 02:14:40,480
build. Happens all the time. And that's probably your biggest

1600
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,540
headache. Now, where's that? Or just say it, just say I just want to build

1601
02:14:44,540 --> 02:14:56,440
something. I'd rather you do that. You know, then come in with one side. I mean, I would have

1602
02:14:56,440 --> 02:14:59,840
other given that complex tonight, a very

1603
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,740
I think the parking in the roadways just lacked thought and creativity and proper design.

1604
02:15:08,740 --> 02:15:11,340
I don't even do it for live. It was a worse.

1605
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:14,910
That was awful.

1606
02:15:17,860 --> 02:15:19,200
Do we have place to put them in?

1607
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:21,180
So don't, don't, don't we normally could detrais

1608
02:15:21,180 --> 02:15:24,140
on the, uh, preliminary master development,

1609
02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:25,760
cleaning field? We've had recent.

1610
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:27,100
Yeah, and that's a kind of thing.

1611
02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:29,780
And that's a kind of thing that the B.O.C.

1612
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:30,740
Right.

1613
02:15:31,020 --> 02:15:33,180
So that's where we do that most of the time.

1614
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,140
So the school in Puttersmore is the commercial.

1615
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:38,920
A lot of your apartments are coming in where that commercial is

1616
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,380
underneath it, like down here at, um,

1617
02:15:41,380 --> 02:15:47,540
And I wouldn't hear when it was approved that it was approved, but it's a very

1618
02:15:47,540 --> 02:15:48,000
great example.

1619
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:50,360
But Farland is what I'm thinking about.

1620
02:15:51,760 --> 02:16:00,840
So, you know, in that situation, of course, the apartments obviously support whatever that commercial is down there.

1621
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:05,260
But there could be that could be brother to that.

1622
02:16:05,260 --> 02:16:07,340
And that's the thing that I think it's that.

1623
02:16:08,540 --> 02:16:13,000
And I was saying McFarlane is one, I know they'll be a bit more familiar commercial

1624
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:21,880
a thrive or mayor, so my issue with that one was that part of it's just didn't look

1625
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:23,120
complementary.

1626
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:28,040
Well, that development is going to be off.

1627
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:29,400
It's going to be off.

1628
02:16:29,500 --> 02:16:34,680
They're going to have the outside of the arena thing down there, whatever you call it, and

1629
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:36,040
it's one of them.

1630
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:43,360
But then you type this one that we had to prove tonight, I mean, you're got some guts if you develop that commercial portion.

1631
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:51,860
And, and quite frankly, I mean, so we really don't have any thing that would require them to build the commercial portion of that.

1632
02:16:51,900 --> 02:16:52,360
What's it called?

1633
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:52,560
What's it called?

1634
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:55,040
Six years ago.

1635
02:16:55,940 --> 02:16:58,120
Go back to the part of 2014.

1636
02:16:59,180 --> 02:17:01,060
It's been changed over the years.

1637
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:02,040
It's been changed over the years.

1638
02:17:02,040 --> 02:17:08,060
But it was a generation you have now started in 2023.

1639
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:10,620
Yeah.

1640
02:17:10,620 --> 02:17:12,900
So the traders should have been a put on then.

1641
02:17:13,260 --> 02:17:15,620
Right when it comes when it came in.

1642
02:17:15,860 --> 02:17:20,260
And that's what I'm saying is I don't want to be something that we have to bring in memory to say,

1643
02:17:20,560 --> 02:17:22,540
Hey, I'm just making sure we put it on.

1644
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:27,940
This is put it in the rags and throw it out there and say that you have to do the commercial deal.

1645
02:17:27,940 --> 02:17:29,280
You can have that on.

1646
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:30,960
and they need to have save money.

1647
02:17:31,340 --> 02:17:33,240
You could be, for example, triggers.

1648
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:35,080
It could be, and then it would be addressed.

1649
02:17:35,300 --> 02:17:40,000
Every time we see it, it'll solve another problem too.

1650
02:17:40,300 --> 02:17:41,380
You'll solve another problem.

1651
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:44,680
The commercial being first, you won't be an afterthought.

1652
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:48,220
It won't be just something thrown together to get to,

1653
02:17:48,220 --> 02:17:49,520
you know, to be in compliance.

1654
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:51,080
They have to build a first.

1655
02:17:51,820 --> 02:17:54,460
They'll be more likely to make it successful.

1656
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:57,200
But I think the damage rate that won't lead.

1657
02:17:57,520 --> 02:17:57,980
Yep, absolutely.

1658
02:17:57,980 --> 02:18:02,740
We're going to have the same address to like each development's going to have a different component to it.

1659
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:10,660
Commissioner Jowes talks specifically about the, uh, some of the plans are going to make farland where it's commercial on the first level.

1660
02:18:10,900 --> 02:18:14,380
And then there's multi-family or additional above it.

1661
02:18:14,580 --> 02:18:18,980
So it would be hard to say to all the commercials got to be built first because

1662
02:18:19,580 --> 02:18:24,540
floors two, three, and four are going to be multi-family or residential of some type.

1663
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:35,820
So staying at the right way with each development versus having a blanket for everything might be a bit tricky.

1664
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:39,760
But that's why we need the triggers on there, and then we would address it.

1665
02:18:40,380 --> 02:18:40,700
It's a different.

1666
02:18:40,700 --> 02:18:41,720
It really goes different.

1667
02:18:41,860 --> 02:18:43,360
It gives us a bit of a great variance.

1668
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:49,500
But what Commissioner Franklin saying though, if you think about this, they would make sure they had some tenants,

1669
02:18:49,660 --> 02:18:52,960
which would also take the burden off of our staff at the city,

1670
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:59,080
go out to try to find something coming in. That would be part of it. And it would, you know,

1671
02:18:59,660 --> 02:19:06,320
and that may alleviate some coming in. It would reduce some coming in. But we would have this.

1672
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:13,140
And so that's why I'm saying it. I think that if we just let them work on this and bring it back.

1673
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:17,580
Oh, just gonna say, Commissioner Drows, your idea was good about having it as part of the staff report.

1674
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:22,020
So it's always in there. So you don't forget about it. So it gets addressed every time.

1675
02:19:24,810 --> 02:19:35,810
So that is what would be coming. So that's item one. That's something that staff is going to work on and bring back forward to us and that would end up being a recommendation item back to the BOC.

1676
02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:38,330
For a zoning regulation amendment.

1677
02:19:38,710 --> 02:19:38,970
Okay.

1678
02:19:40,590 --> 02:19:54,370
So is it the desire of the city for us not to form a subcommittee and not look at the land use plan?

1679
02:19:55,370 --> 02:19:59,970
I would say I can't speak for the BLC, but I'm based on the conversations I have.

1680
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:13,060
Had with a few of them, not all of them, but a few of them. I think it's not saying not to do it, but let's do this first and then go from that.

1681
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:24,140
So we brought that before the planning. We voted on that from the planning standpoint as a discussion item to this bottom.

1682
02:20:24,140 --> 02:20:35,080
So I'll turn it back over and say, what would the will of its body be to further that for 60 days, is that acceptable? 90 days?

1683
02:20:35,320 --> 02:20:40,240
What are more than that? 90 days? Just looking at the land here.

1684
02:20:40,660 --> 02:20:44,580
Yeah. Big that don't give you a time to allow you guys to come to us.

1685
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:47,140
How much I can have there in that?

1686
02:20:56,440 --> 02:21:01,620
Do you want to defer the committee 60 days and just decide then based on their feedback?

1687
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:08,600
You may want to just dissolve, I mean, it'd be. I mean, I don't know. But I mean, if we want to just

1688
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:15,660
defer 60 days and wait and wait for set, I'd be the will of the body.

1689
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:18,960
You know, objection to that.

1690
02:21:22,050 --> 02:21:25,710
Yeah, I don't want necessarily not here to stir any pots, but

1691
02:21:25,710 --> 02:21:32,010
Chairman, did you already said a meeting or something? What are we deferring? We have not, we, uh, we agreed

1692
02:21:32,010 --> 02:21:35,530
at the last meeting to form a subcommittee to explore the way and you supply it.

1693
02:21:35,530 --> 02:21:36,910
And you already formed there, right?

1694
02:21:37,630 --> 02:21:40,290
Um, just needs two more members appointed to.

1695
02:21:40,750 --> 02:21:42,590
I don't know that you have to defer anything.

1696
02:21:42,890 --> 02:21:43,150
Okay.

1697
02:21:43,550 --> 02:21:47,130
We're just saying that we're not going to take any meetings or further action.

1698
02:21:47,550 --> 02:21:48,430
It's kind of an held up.

1699
02:21:48,610 --> 02:21:53,650
I had some personal family issues come up over the last three weeks.

1700
02:21:53,690 --> 02:21:56,170
Very unexpectedly and running point on that.

1701
02:21:57,030 --> 02:22:00,870
Family had to take priority in this circumstance and situation.

1702
02:22:00,870 --> 02:22:09,710
very, very important. And if I may say didn't, didn't, y'all and I went here but didn't use

1703
02:22:09,710 --> 02:22:16,670
sprouts as an example. I mean, you know, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't.

1704
02:22:16,690 --> 02:22:19,890
Did they have two apartment buildings that they're building? Yeah, they didn't come here.

1705
02:22:20,110 --> 02:22:22,330
There's some large, they're working on the commercial. They didn't come here.

1706
02:22:22,330 --> 02:22:24,830
The commercial workers look at all of that that's come out.

1707
02:22:25,310 --> 02:22:34,310
So I mean, there are good examples and yes, yeah, and I think that I mean, you know,

1708
02:22:34,410 --> 02:22:38,330
mentioned that on land you spend, I'm not against the partners either, because we do need

1709
02:22:38,330 --> 02:22:42,850
to do the same, we need the housing options and provide it here and I agree.

1710
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:47,610
Commissioner Jiles said that we there's, you know, I wasn't necessarily in favor of the one

1711
02:22:47,610 --> 02:22:53,530
up on Donovan Road when it came in, but for years to work, it's we're getting the traffic out of there,

1712
02:22:53,530 --> 02:22:55,650
We put some road improvements on Mountville,

1713
02:22:55,910 --> 02:22:57,650
but there's times where it's a question,

1714
02:22:59,310 --> 02:23:02,410
but it's not what I assumed or thought it was gonna be.

1715
02:23:03,730 --> 02:23:05,550
I really wish we would have done the one on Westward

1716
02:23:05,550 --> 02:23:08,250
Wilson, you'd tell these property up there.

1717
02:23:10,310 --> 02:23:13,690
But, you know, and as you guys said,

1718
02:23:13,790 --> 02:23:17,130
we got the grant now for Leavenham Road.

1719
02:23:18,390 --> 02:23:20,710
And so expectation for Leavener Road,

1720
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:28,170
I think that once that is there and finished that Leavener Road could change there.

1721
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:29,350
Come here, Leavener Road.

1722
02:23:29,930 --> 02:23:37,790
Yep, so if it's the the will of this body, then we'll postpone having conducting any meetings

1723
02:23:37,790 --> 02:23:42,070
we're carrying forward in these things further with that for 60 days.

1724
02:23:42,090 --> 02:23:48,730
We'll revisit it again that September of October are off over meeting and take off from that.

1725
02:23:48,730 --> 02:23:55,810
looking forward to. Good discussion. I may know the individual comment right there. You don't gather

1726
02:23:55,810 --> 02:24:03,930
this many people and you don't gather this many people and ultimately a lot of times

1727
02:24:03,930 --> 02:24:11,470
agreed to disagree sometimes but ultimately have one goal and insight and that's the goal for

1728
02:24:11,470 --> 02:24:17,590
the betterment of the community which we all live and I think it's impressive. I don't know if you guys

1729
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:26,190
that I recognize at all this time, but it is very impressive to see the way that, particularly,

1730
02:24:26,510 --> 02:24:32,390
this body works together, our staff, my hats off to all of you, you know, you get your hands

1731
02:24:32,390 --> 02:24:32,870
for us.

1732
02:24:34,350 --> 02:24:39,770
And if I see all for me and the elected officials over here to my left, no desire to ever be

1733
02:24:39,770 --> 02:24:40,530
in y'all's roles.

1734
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:47,570
So, great, great point to be a part of something like this, and regardless of what you

1735
02:24:47,570 --> 02:24:54,990
see sometimes out there and news or times as they are, it's good for them to be a part

1736
02:24:54,990 --> 02:24:55,730
of some positive.

1737
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:59,770
So I just want to throw that in and enjoy the heck of a job and gratitude.

1738
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:07,000
We just respect this there for multiple levels, multiple lights. Thank you all. That being said, I need a motion to adjourn.

1739
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:10,800
Yeah, I got ten motions.

1740
02:25:12,900 --> 02:25:18,520
Whoever said seconds seconds, all those of fires I have, I guess, abstinctions, we are here.