[This transcript was generated automatically from audio using AI and hasn't been reviewed by a person -- it can contain mistakes, including plausible-sounding sentences that were never actually said. Treat it as a starting point, not a verbatim record.]

[0:01] Good evening. Welcome to the August 20, 2026 meeting of the Matthew Municipal and Regional Planning Commission meeting.
[0:12] Our first item up on our agenda tonight will be to set our agenda. I do have one change and one request.
[0:24] Item 9F, which is reviewed the site plan for Willow Creek Garden in home, located at 32-15 North
[0:30] Mount Gilt Road, will be pulled from the agenda per the applicants request.
[0:38] And we found it on here for a number, just wanted to see it because we had seen this
[0:51] I wanted to see if there would be any objection to taking 9B, read the site plan for MSR
[0:57] Plasma.
[0:58] Okay, 3-0-0-7, Northbound, do a road moving that to the Consent Agenda, looks like we debated
[1:04] over that one three different meetings and looks like we kind of wanted it to, my opinion.
[1:11] Would there be any objection to moving that over to the Consent, very well.
[1:16] we'll hopefully that'll help move us forward a little bit. We will be moving 9B to the consent agenda.
[1:25] Any other changes, amendments?
[1:29] We'll set the agenda as stated.
[1:32] Next item up, we'll be our staff reports. We'll begin with our city planner.
[1:37] Mr. Jones?
[1:39] Yes, sir.
[1:41] Look, I have anything to add.
[1:43] All right, nothing interesting.
[1:45] Everything is running fast and efficient and as planned.
[1:50] Triumph.
[1:52] Absolutely.
[1:53] Jayney's there for public works.
[1:56] Yes.
[1:58] I'll keep it quick.
[2:01] We had the pre-construction meeting for our storm water project.
[2:04] That's been funded through the utility.
[2:06] We got to do some utility decrepliction, but we're getting the wheels of motion to start that project.
[2:11] which I think a big milestone in the city,
[2:14] considering utilities just a few years old
[2:17] to get two big projects in within the five years.
[2:21] So that's one item, and this is from Director White.
[2:27] I think I want to tip my half personally
[2:29] to the BOC city management and Director White
[2:32] on a securing grant funding for 11 road widening.
[2:37] That's a pretty big deal.
[2:39] work he's put into it. They got construction funding ready and waiting once they get
[2:48] all their right away acquired. So they're full steam ahead and I just want to
[2:53] be sure that would be guys. So with that they includes my staff report. That's very
[2:58] good. Doug, do you think force? Full of an in dirt road behind Valley
[3:02] Center back open.
[3:04] All right, now it's nice that everything when it's planned and proposed and doing good.
[3:13] Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Next item up on our agenda will be our
[3:18] system comments. This time we'll take this in comments. Public is welcome. I'm encouraged to make public
[3:24] comment about any item on our agenda. There will be two opportunities for you to make comments. You
[3:30] You may speak when the others presented to the planning commission.
[3:32] You do ask that you limit your comments to three minutes or less and anyone wishing to address the planning commission at this time.
[3:38] Please come to the microphone and name an address for the record.
[3:43] So you know, sit and comment to this time.
[3:46] We'll move forward with our next item up on the agenda,
[3:48] which is falls underneath the minute's approval.
[3:51] It's item 5A, so review and adopt the minutes of the July 16th,
[3:55] 2026.
[3:55] Imagine a regional planning commission meeting.
[3:57] the changes, amendments, type-outs, same known, I'd like to ask for a motion
[4:04] regardless of item on our agenda, motion, and second, all those in favor,
[4:10] signify by saying aye, and raising your hand, aye, against abstinence, so
[4:15] approved,
[4:21] all right. Next item up on our agenda is our consent agenda items.
[4:25] We're here with me, we've got several of them. We'll begin with item six, aye,
[4:29] zero-letter of credit number five, one, one, zero-eight, zero-eight for Wincherie Pines, Phase
[4:34] One, in the amount of $868,854 can be released.
[4:40] Item six beats, zero-letter of credit number five, one, one, zero-eight, one, zero for Wincherie
[4:46] Pines, Phase Two, and the amount of $122,217 can be released.
[4:51] Item 6C, so we're letter of credit number 5-5-1-1-0-8-3-3 for wintery pounds phase 4-8.
[5:00] 5A, 6A, and 7A, in the amount of 284,393 dollars and 50 cents can be released. Item 6D, review the final
[5:09] plan for Providence Commons, phase 2, okay, 631 through 703 Southman, Newly Road. Item 6E, review the final
[5:18] plan for legacy point, Lawdy 11, located at 100 Legacy Point Boulevard. Item 6F, review the final
[5:25] for 2018 old Lebanon dirt road and item 9B, which would be to review the site plan for MSR
[5:34] Plasma, okay at 307 North Mountain G-Late Road, begin with our city planner Mr. John, staff just
[5:44] recommend the approval with the commission and the report for all of these.
[5:47] Thank you, Shane Nathan from Public Works, you know, very good. Questions or comments from the
[5:55] Commission,
[5:58] seeing none at this time, I do need to close our planning commission meeting in order to open a public hearing.
[6:03] Public hearing is in regards to item 6d, 6e and 6f, 6d is reviewed the final flat for Providence Commons phase two.
[6:10] Locate 63 or 631 through 703 South Mountain, you let row.
[6:15] Item 6a reviewed the final flat for Legacy Point, a lot of 11.
[6:18] Locate at 100 Legacy Point Boulevard.
[6:20] Item 6f reviewed the final flat for 2819-11 and dirt road.
[6:25] anyone wishing to make comment during the public hearing in regards to any one of those three
[6:29] items or welcome to encourage a do so please come to the microphone, states your name and
[6:32] address for the record. So you know, since in comments of this time we'll reopen our planning
[6:38] commission meeting which time I'm looking for a motion to regard to the items on our planning
[6:43] commission agenda. Our consent agenda.
[6:53] It's motion and a second, although it's in favor of seeing
[6:56] If I was saying aye, I'm raising her hand.
[6:58] Aye, against?
[7:00] Stingents?
[7:01] So pervert.
[7:07] Would there be any objection to us hearing item 7A and 7B together?
[7:13] Any objection for the planning commission to hear these two items together?
[7:18] So you know, objection will hear item 7A and 7B together.
[7:21] Item 7A is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners.
[7:24] is reviewed the HanExation request for 6484 Beckwith Road.
[7:29] Item 7B is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners to review the plan of services for 6484 Beckwith Road.
[7:37] Mr. John?
[7:40] First thing, may I request an annexation here.
[7:43] It's on the west side of Beckwith Road.
[7:46] There's an existing single-family house.
[7:50] They're seeking an annexation due to they want to connect a city sewer.
[7:55] And I believe it's possible.
[7:58] So staff recommends approval.
[8:02] Rua?
[8:03] Shane?
[8:04] I mean, comments are encouraged to sign on the agenda?
[8:06] No, sir.
[8:08] Rua?
[8:08] Questions or comments on the commission?
[8:12] Seeing that in this time, I'd call for citizen comments.
[8:16] Anyone wish to make comments in regards to these items on the agenda?
[8:19] We're welcome to encourage to do so.
[8:20] Please find the microphone and name and address for the record.
[8:25] Seeing that citizen comments this time, do you need to close our planning commission meeting?
[8:28] In order to open a public hearing, public hearing is regards item 7Bs, or recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners to read a plan of services for 6484 back with road.
[8:37] When wishing to make public comment and regards to this item during the public hearing, welcome and encourage to do something from the microphone, name and address for the record.
[8:46] See, no, this is a comments this time, we'll close our public hearing, we're open the planning commission meeting and in which time I'm looking for a recommendation regards to these items on our agenda.
[8:58] It's a motion in a second, although it's in favor, so you can five by saying aye and raise your hand aye against abstentions, there's a positive recommendation,
[9:11] with a rainy objection from the commission of hearing item seven C and seven D together.
[9:18] Seeing no objection, we will hear item seven C and seven D together item seven C is the recommendation item back to the board of commissioners.
[9:26] This is a really exciting request for 1865 non-able road.
[9:30] Item 70 is a recommendation out and back to the Board of Commissioners
[9:33] to repeat plan of services for 1865 non-able road.
[9:36] That's your job.
[9:39] Sure thing.
[9:41] Yes.
[9:41] Two and a half acres.
[9:44] So this is the annexation.
[9:45] They did not ask for, like the last one as well.
[9:48] They did not ask for a reason.
[9:51] So it will default to RS40, low density residential.
[9:57] There is none of us.
[10:00] Specific reason they annexed that I'm aware of are they're asking for annexation.
[10:05] But should it get approved? They've got a RS-48, which matches the land you've owned out there.
[10:12] And that's all. We're coming up approval.
[10:14] Thank you.
[10:15] Thank you from Public Works on this one.
[10:17] I'm sorry.
[10:18] Very well.
[10:19] Questions or comments from the commission?
[10:23] Seeing none at this time.
[10:25] I'd like to call for citizens and comments regarding these two items on our agenda.
[10:28] We want to wish to make comments.
[10:29] Welcome, courage to do so, like phone name and address for the record.
[10:35] Seeing no sense in comments of this time, I do need to close a planning commission meeting
[10:38] in order to open a public hearing, public hearing is in regards to item 7D, which is
[10:42] a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners for being the Plan of Services
[10:45] for 1865, not of all road, anyone wishing to make a comment during the public hearing
[10:50] is welcome to encourage to do so, please come to the microphone and state your name and address
[10:54] for the record.
[10:56] Seeing no sense in comments of this time, we'll close our public hearing, reopen our planning
[11:00] commission meeting and at which time I'm looking for recommendation and regards to these items
[11:04] on our agenda.
[11:07] It's a motion for positive recommendation and a second, all those in favour, so you can
[11:11] find by saying aye and raising your hand, aye against, extensions, is a positive recommendation.
[11:19] Next item up on our agenda, is item 8A, this is a recommendation, item back to the board
[11:23] of commissioners to read the land use amendment plan from low density residential to
[11:28] for commercial for the Williams property located at 98-Tangle Wood
[11:34] John.
[11:35] Sure thing, I'm sure you remember this from last month.
[11:40] I'm sure there'll be some discussion on this,
[11:41] and I just did not change throughout their commercial
[11:44] or CRC zoning in the staff.
[11:48] Well, I think I let the blank in the staff report.
[11:53] My opinion is that I stand with the last
[11:57] last month's recommendation on this one, but of course, I think there's some discussion to be had here with this one.
[12:06] And I will let that, but recommending a proposal. Good work up now.
[12:11] Please.
[12:12] Shane, do you have any comments this time?
[12:14] No, sir.
[12:15] There we go.
[12:16] Questions comments?
[12:17] Richard Jones, please.
[12:18] I was a here last month, the men I had a chance to look at this.
[12:23] And I know that the body gave them a negative recognition.
[12:26] But I really think that this should go through and here's the reason for it. We're supposed to have a
[12:33] A visual up here
[12:40] They don't you want to explain this
[12:42] One of them just a strange out of the land. We find
[12:48] The land is
[12:52] Right
[13:01] He's like, does everybody know where this is on here?
[13:05] He's like, okay.
[13:06] So here's the thing, here's the thing that, if you look at this and I think some of the
[13:10] comments from the last meeting was that we've not had one like this, but here's the
[13:15] thing about it.
[13:16] If that zone, which the French don't mount on the London Road is CG, correct?
[13:22] And I think this is coming in as CRC, but the thing about it is what I'm, I'm
[13:29] often what happened is that someone will either buy both of these or
[13:33] this front lot will buy that because they don't have any room for
[13:37] anything. And with one lot there, we don't have a lot if y'all
[13:42] think about it on Levin and wrote this area, which serves all of
[13:47] North Green Hill Road, if you think about it. So if that was redeveloped
[13:52] that Hocuna right there, I think it would add not only tax dollars
[13:56] to our city but convenience to the citizens that live down
[14:00] So the closest thing is the G up here on the heel, from it, so I am bored of this, and so.
[14:14] And most of us who live in that street, the Tangled Wood, right behind that.
[14:21] the folks that I've talked to have a negative concern about this concern about
[14:28] situation because the property right next to it and we discussed this at the
[14:33] last meeting as well. Has had some issues keeping it clean and it's right next to
[14:41] the neighbors and we're just saying this law has had issues keep it in point.
[14:46] No, the one on the other side of the street there that has those three buildings, businesses
[14:54] right off of Lebanon, and they're stacked right on behind the other.
[15:02] I don't think a lot has changed and there has been plenty of opportunity for those other folks to develop and it hasn't much of that has not developed there yet on the other side of Glenwood. That's still out as far as I know most of that is vacant.
[15:22] And so they have a place to build at this point is my perspective, but I know that we
[15:30] had the neighbors who spoke the neighbor who spoke last month as well and was concerned
[15:36] about it also.
[15:37] And then I think Luke mentioned the concern about the drive in and out if something word
[15:45] be placed in there, did you want to, are you still thinking that or what?
[15:49] No, that's what I was going to share and actually
[15:54] Commissioner Jows, I'm last month.
[15:57] I couldn't be more agreeable than supportive of that as well.
[16:03] But my comment back towards that was that I felt like
[16:06] that they needed to come in together.
[16:08] So nothing should stop one from the other of acquiring
[16:12] the other should they want to do something like that.
[16:14] They come in and be replatored and done.
[16:16] My fear on this was if it is to develop independently with everything that they're requesting.
[16:22] I think it sets a very bad precedent because I can look at this map here in front of us right now just because they're parallel to the commercial.
[16:30] They should we set this precedent.
[16:32] I can count four properties to six properties that would have the same bearing to come in and make the same request because they're adjacent on two, three or two sides, three sides, four sides that you can count on this one small map.
[16:44] I imagine if we expanded this out, that I too would agree that this corner would be great
[16:51] for redevelopment.
[16:52] This is my main travel area that I personally go in and out, and I'm praying in
[16:57] out at four to six times on the daily basis at this corner right here.
[17:02] I would love to see it redevelop as well, but to me, it needs to come in together because
[17:08] should we grant this and we give this and somebody is to come in and develop just this
[17:15] We have to give them the access points, and so we would be struggling to have an access point on the Green Hill,
[17:21] possibly over to Tangledwood, that to me creates a monster issue at that, particularly the South Green Hill intersection.
[17:34] And there's really nothing we can do.
[17:36] And then it just, I just believe that it sets a precedent, so if they want to come in together, they should buy each other.
[17:42] And reply, well, when they do that, they take the chance and have the contingent of
[17:47] on this body, a proven it.
[17:49] And if you'll look over to the east, that's stir-fired, fair commercial right there,
[17:54] you'll see the color, which is actually deeper than this whole lot.
[17:59] And this whole lot, acreage is what,
[18:03] John, acre and half, acre and quarter?
[18:06] Yeah.
[18:06] It's a point one, actually.
[18:07] It's not very, two points, not very wide in the center, yeah.
[18:12] But it can develop independently and and I agree, but if we have to look at a site plan
[18:19] for thoroughfare, commercial zoning on just this parcel, not because it's adjacent to the other.
[18:25] I think it creates a
[18:29] and if they can meet our subdivision regulations,
[18:33] we have to approve and if they don't ever come by together, that
[18:38] It's just, it scares me, Jimmy's out of me.
[18:44] And together, I love them together.
[18:46] I think this corner right here is a super valuable corner
[18:50] and I would love to see it redevelop.
[18:54] It looks better since we got rid of the railroad tie wall out there.
[18:58] My father had his personal business in that building at one point in time.
[19:02] And it's thriving right now with some retail in it and doing well.
[19:08] But the commercial had that right there be nice to have a restaurant right there that would help my family or something more convenient there that would be beneficial to my family and what not and community is a whole.
[19:22] But I just think that with the depth of this one and if it should develop independently just think the kind of worms that can come out of that are scary and it can't.
[19:34] it can, but, but they would have a classy buffer as we all know. So that would shield some
[19:41] of your obviously that would help in your...
[19:44] There's a buffer on the other side of you, isn't it?
[19:47] Yeah.
[19:47] And I don't mind the buffer.
[19:49] It's the ingress egress, could they even build, you put an access in the middle of the
[19:56] turning line?
[19:56] And I think today you can build a building with a platform.
[20:03] I don't know where buildings are going to go. These days, creativity of centbacks, as you can come to this meeting, there are no bounds.
[20:13] There would be a plastic buffer and if you've got a good point, there wouldn't be a lot of RAM.
[20:18] I think that's why it would be more obviously attractive for someone to try to buy both of them or the higher owner of this to buy that because then you're just talking about the
[20:29] in class. So if we open the same argument for this property, just look right there to your right
[20:36] on Glimwood, you got one deep right there and they're surrounded on three sides, just like this
[20:41] property. I don't think that I would desire to have that house starting commercial right there
[20:47] and it's kind of the same argument there on Glimwood's not as traveled, but I would say that those
[20:54] people on Glimwood did that one house right there on Glimwood but had the same basis of argument
[20:59] to request the same thing, and should this go through, as well as some other things, but there
[21:07] deals, that's not on Greenfield, so they do not have the ingress and ingress on Greenfield.
[21:12] Yeah, I didn't like the good tone about it. But they're again, I mean,
[21:16] y'all got it in negative recommendation. I would have voted positive, and I'm going to get positive tonight.
[21:20] Sure. Sure. Yeah, and I agree with you, it's got good merit. I'd love to see the corner
[21:28] redevelop, but I'd like to see them replat and come in here for something appropriate and
[21:33] combine together. I think it's got a lot of merit to it, but just independently out there
[21:38] in the things that run through my mind of how and what could be put on there with this zoning
[21:45] in this land use plan. I don't know that I would be necessarily excited about it.
[21:51] And the church next to it, I think, is also a Baker Center that has quite a bit of traffic coming in
[21:57] of that area of South Green Hill as well.
[22:04] Yeah, I'm just, you know, down here on the south side of that in the, in the, in the,
[22:11] on the church in the deck there.
[22:14] Yeah.
[22:16] Further questions, thoughts?
[22:20] Christian Drowsman?
[22:23] John, you got anything else to say?
[22:27] It's going to call for assistant comments, regards this item on the agenda, anyone wish
[22:31] to make comment in regards this item on the agenda, it's welcome to encourage a day
[22:34] so please come to microphone and name an address for the record.
[22:40] Duane land, I'm a benchmark reel to represent Mr. Danny Williams, I saw y'all last
[22:45] month, which sure appreciate the consideration.
[22:49] One of the comments made last meeting was that the property that's right there at the corner
[22:55] of Tangalwood and Levin Roe was thought to be residential, but it's commercial.
[23:01] I didn't know if there was any confusion about that property or maybe something else that
[23:07] was mentioned.
[23:08] So that whole stretch from the Greenhill side, back to Tangalwood is all CG and then the
[23:17] property that's a little bit in people's mind about being sort of in a disarray right there
[23:24] on across the street on the thing of the woods side.
[23:27] That stretch is all the way down past Mr. Williams' property.
[23:30] He'll let left border.
[23:32] So he got it all the way down to here.
[23:35] And then he's got an entry way that comes in.
[23:37] As soon as you come off the street, maybe about 75 feet.
[23:41] You can take that left turn.
[23:43] And then the neighbor of Mr. Goda
[23:45] that comes back on the green hill side.
[23:47] He has a little bit of an entry,
[23:49] which most of his customers that come out of there
[23:52] have to make that right turn with the busyness of the road that's already in play.
[23:58] They have contacted Mr. Williams about the lane expansion.
[24:02] He has approved that and taken their consideration of the money that they've offered.
[24:09] So that helps out with the traffic flow.
[24:11] And then so, you know, what even be it?
[24:13] I'm sure that the buyers of the property would even be open just for a right turn only when
[24:18] it comes off of the green hill.
[24:20] And then it's just a small distance, a short distance, back to an entry point there at Tanglewood,
[24:29] which I don't believe that, I mean, looking at it, you guys know better than I do, but if you
[24:33] even had an office and a professional services that were there, you really wouldn't have that much traffic coming back
[24:41] into the neighborhood, because of detriment that way. Sometimes they may come down Tanglewood,
[24:45] would take that right turn to get back over to South Korean Hill, but a lot of people are already
[24:51] doing that anyway, really just to kind of cut off having to go to that light.
[24:56] So those are just some of the points I just wanted to bring up.
[25:00] I guess that's a take of vote on it and leave it, sure appreciate your consideration. Thank you, Sir.
[25:12] Any additional citizen comments at this time?
[25:19] See, no additional citizen comments. I'm looking forward to a recommendation.
[25:22] Thank you.
[25:27] Thank you.
[25:28] It's a motion for a negative recommendation.
[25:31] All those in favour of saying aye, President Han, aye.
[25:36] Against abstinence is a negative recommendation.
[25:43] Sam would we continue on to hear the next two or three items on our agenda at this point
[25:52] time?
[25:52] You could, but you might want to ask the applicant if they want to.
[25:56] Mr. Atlanta, what would be your will for us to hear the annexation plan of services and
[26:04] the rezoning request items 8B, 8C and 8D?
[26:09] Would you like for this body to continue to hear those items or would you like to defer those items if we could defer or we'd like to
[26:18] reconsider maybe even change in the zoning
[26:21] from the CRC to the OPS if that would help and make an overall decision to go that way?
[26:28] I don't know from the decision that was just made if that's a possibility but we can defer for the other two we can get it sorted out.
[26:39] Yeah, yeah, that I didn't kind of, my thing on that, I would rather see the corner redevelop
[26:47] in OPS is not conducive to the redevelopment and the discussion that we just had, Marshall,
[26:53] I mean, what you're asking for would be desirable.
[26:58] But it needs to come together.
[27:00] I know that that's hard to make sense.
[27:02] But if everything comes together, as it is with the request,
[27:07] as I just said, my fear is the access points on this
[27:11] and the precedence it's set with a one-deep property
[27:14] with no direct access to a major thoroughfare,
[27:17] such as Lebanon Road.
[27:19] And then the potential access point
[27:21] this body would have to grant someone their at Green Hill Road.
[27:24] I think it's challenging, and I think it's dangerous
[27:27] to be quite frightened.
[27:29] but if the whole corner could be redeveloped
[27:32] and parceled together, reply to it,
[27:36] I can't speak for anybody else here.
[27:40] I can speak for myself, like I said,
[27:41] I've probably passed this intersection
[27:43] at least six times a day.
[27:45] I think that that is a great corner,
[27:48] and I would like to see something that would be a little bit more,
[27:52] there's some great things, there are great businesses
[27:54] that are thriving in there right now.
[27:56] So not to discount their their businesses that are very successful there and doing well. I hope
[28:02] But something such as restaurants or convenience retail or office or whatever it may be whatever
[28:08] Some of these vision is for the corner right there, but kind of with this one deep property
[28:13] It kind of needs to be combined together with that property should it be the desire out there
[28:18] So it's not necessarily against that but the access points. It would have to be granted or just just not right with the
[28:26] I thought it'd be better to come in off-leavened road or to be fabulous.
[28:32] That would be the thought.
[28:34] You would improve that lead and road access out there.
[28:38] Potentially even that access could even be moved and looking at it with an up hall.
[28:45] That looks like it's so three parcels right there that front lead and road.
[28:48] Of course it looks like you front the entire backside of them.
[28:52] Whether or not they all three came together just a two with the strip center and this together.
[28:57] It gives you direct access to Lebanon Road and certainly a traffic improvement and a good
[29:04] way in.
[29:05] You mentioned access there.
[29:07] I could see maybe a right-end right off of Green Hill Road to access this property and then
[29:13] an out back up on Lebanon Road.
[29:17] I was some good vision and good engineer, good architects and imagine something really nice
[29:24] could be done with this corner.
[29:25] But if it stays independent, just the fear of a commercial overlay on this one parcel and being a property deep with no frontage,
[29:37] it's none of the anger as eager as for my standpoint, but it's suppressed and it's set.
[29:41] Like I said, on this map, I can count at least four to six that if this is granted that we would have to do the same.
[29:49] And I'm sure that you would argue to say that I wouldn't want that, if that one were to request it, so we were helping with the business.
[30:00] And it's the green hillside that it would be more of a blend into commercial situation.
[30:05] It's the access point on green hill, but it's one of the scariest points, right?
[30:12] A little different than the green.
[30:13] Because it's right into, you know, you can imagine if someone is coming,
[30:17] wants to go southbound on green hill, but then they want to turn into this lot.
[30:22] That they're going to push traffic back on the lead and the road, because traffic's already
[30:25] you'd try to get through the intersection, going north on South Korean
[30:29] Hale, and you've crawled the malfunction jump right there, probably one of our
[30:35] busiest roads in Mount Julia, the South Korean Hale. So it's just good design and
[30:41] some good thought to it, there's merit. And so I hope that something has worked
[30:45] out and I hope we get to see it again.
[30:48] Yes, come here, John, please.
[30:51] But if there was a ride in North Greenville Road, then that would take traffic off from Greenville Road, if they were going into this side.
[31:00] And as far as counting the lots, this is the only one that goes to think that could have two ingresses and ingresses on two different roads.
[31:09] Unless these people down here combined lots together. You see what I'm saying?
[31:13] Yeah, my actual hope would be that if it were a debris developed, they'd only access point would be 11 and wrote
[31:18] Yeah, I mean that would be the best
[31:20] Yeah, but you probably want to say in there somewhere
[31:23] You're just for safety reasons
[31:26] I mean we're talking about the one on that deal with road for the circular
[31:30] I mean you would want that if that re-develop
[31:32] So it actually shoot them out to tangle it over there
[31:36] To the back of that strips and
[31:39] Yeah, so yeah
[31:41] Tom, please, just, I do want to clarify, if that corner were to redevelop, short of getting
[31:49] an access, he's been to that adjacent parcel, the best point of access would be off-salt
[31:55] green health runs. Otherwise, there's really in the signal box because of how offset that
[32:02] signal is. So they're kind of in a rock in a hard place, get an access to that lot in
[32:08] Yeah. Yeah. So they want to combine together. Come on. Let's take a look at it.
[32:16] Right. Yeah. That's a wonderful. Thank you. That is a deferral by the applicant.
[32:24] I don't read these three real quick. Automate B, which is recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners
[32:29] Review. That annexation request for the Williams property. Locate 98.
[32:32] what drives been deferred per request of the applicant or how to make see which is recommendation
[32:37] item. Back to the Board of Commission's review the plan of services for the Williams
[32:42] property locate 98 Tangle would drive has been deferred per the applicant. Item 8D which is
[32:49] recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners. It's just to review the Reson request from
[32:54] Wilson County R1 to CRC for the Williams property locate 98 Tangle would drive has been deferred per
[33:02] the question of the app. Next item up on our agenda would be
[33:06] out of 9A is review the final master development plan site plan for
[33:10] acorn property spectrum sound located at 71-10 central pike.
[33:17] That is Mr. Jones.
[33:18] Thanks.
[33:21] Spectrum sound and area g of the providence central pod. This is on the west side of central pike.
[33:34] A little bit of a context over there, that's that part of the PUD CMU behind it to the Southwest
[33:42] with the RS-20, which is also part of that PUD.
[33:47] Spectrum Sound, this is a commercial audio video system integration and installation.
[33:54] High-end live sound gear rentals and tours support and professional audio technology sales
[34:00] for major venues. So that's the use.
[34:06] On the FMDP, we're on the Perluminary Mass Development
[34:09] Plan here, this area was at your mark for big box kind of development, parking and commercial
[34:16] box somewhere in the middle. Essentially we got going on here.
[34:24] The thing I'd like to talk
[34:25] Here is the facade materials.
[34:27] Now this pod has a unique kind of amendment history.
[34:36] And they were given waivers on certain parts
[34:38] of the pod regarding the facade materials.
[34:43] Area G was not one of those areas.
[34:46] So they're asking with this approval
[34:51] and the planning commission has that authority to do so
[34:54] for the façade waiver as written in.
[35:00] Your staff report. Now, I've changed my mind on my recommendation, because when I revved this, I was on the
[35:07] impression since it's a pod, they might have to do a pod amendment. But since this does not violate any
[35:14] condition of the original pod, since there were no waivers put on this particular area of the pod,
[35:19] with the, in regards to the, the side materials, they can ask for it now to be, uh,
[35:27] the board, planning to go ahead. Um, and what they're asking for is 77 and a half percent
[35:34] approximately a tilt up concrete panels. They do have 11, a half percent of brick. And then
[35:40] bulk of the rest is glazing. Um, to look at the building, they did, uh, and go a little
[35:48] of extra to make it look palatable, but they are asking for that waiver and you all have
[35:57] the authority to speak on it, weigh in on it,
[36:05] I think that's the bulk of it, that's the
[36:07] big things, that's the rest of it and the pre-good, so staff does recommend approval.
[36:12] And I can support the waiver now for this type of view type of building.
[36:17] Thank you.
[36:18] Thank you.
[36:19] I'm Jane Public Works.
[36:23] Staff recommends approval with our conditions,
[36:25] but I would like to strike condition number six.
[36:29] So this was Wilson Utility,
[36:30] is not the water service provider in this area.
[36:37] There we go.
[36:39] Tom, can you get anything on this one?
[36:44] Yeah, so for the commission's consideration,
[36:50] the access into this lot,
[36:52] itself is buying a good code great. However, this will be setting the president for a lot across
[37:00] the extension of problems, Parkway. The original pilot approved on the CO2 actually doesn't show
[37:09] any access on that street, so we're raised to be holding them to do that more likely than not.
[37:27] But again, that has nothing to do with this site. That's just for future considerations.
[37:31] Thank you.
[37:35] Questions, comments?
[37:36] Discussion from the commission?
[37:46] Mr. Boom?
[37:51] One of the things that I'd like to see updated is the landscape requirements.
[37:58] I'm trying to figure out why the trees don't continue along the back of a lot,
[38:04] where it backs up to residential properties.
[38:07] Ask for representation to this.
[38:09] Please project the name and address for the record project.
[38:15] Good evening, Joe Haddick's here at the civil.
[38:20] I noticed that walking in here that earlier today started taking care of the fact that
[38:25] that full buffer will be planted across the rear line.
[38:28] Oh, geez.
[38:29] Yeah.
[38:30] Okay.
[38:30] Thank you.
[38:34] Further.
[38:35] Just so I can confirm.
[38:37] Is this going to be?
[38:39] I'm looking at the approved EMDP.
[38:41] Is this building going to be just south of the A1CMU?
[38:45] Is that where I'm looking at it correctly?
[38:48] That is correct.
[38:49] Okay. I just wanted to make sure I knew physically where it was at.
[38:52] Yeah, so this building almost sits identically where that building is shown.
[38:57] Okay.
[38:59] From a drawing that's six years old.
[39:02] Yeah, so we're trying to adhere to the approved preliminary plan.
[39:05] It's a short.
[39:06] Todd did mention the site you're seeing in the pud.
[39:10] In that drawing, is bigger than this site?
[39:14] Yeah, therefore there was an access to a future road
[39:18] that at the time, that's for TDOT was saying,
[39:20] Hager was going to go and hold another discussion
[39:23] that's talking about, and Matt and Shane have been had to suffer.
[39:27] At this time, we would request approval.
[39:30] The access points were committed to the public works condition
[39:35] that driveways will align
[39:37] And as the south side of the Parkway Extension develops,
[39:43] you know, we're already accounting
[39:44] for that.
[39:46] So we respect the labor question of your consideration and approval of the material waiver.
[39:53] I think it's a good looking building.
[39:55] Architects have gone on kind of the problem beyond to add even more features than what you
[39:59] or me.
[40:00] Some of the, some of the other big box guys are adding to their buildings. Really cool, look at building. Really excited to get something going on the west side of Central Pike there. Public works is recently approved the roadway extension plan and the mass trading plan that you all saw a couple months ago.
[40:19] So, contractor is nearing, getting ready to start a erosion control and pre-cons with public works.
[40:26] So can answer any other questions y'all may have.
[40:29] Thank you for your time.
[40:30] Let me make sure I'm right on this too.
[40:33] Y'all, you guys will, uh,
[40:36] you're basically going to complete the entire road section,
[40:40] extension of Providence Parkway,
[40:41] all the way to leading to this site.
[40:44] So that road will be completed in its entirety,
[40:48] correct the development of this site.
[40:50] That's correct.
[40:50] Yeah, so unlike what we did on the other side of Providence Parkway,
[40:54] where it was three lanes for a time,
[40:56] and then it ultimately got widened to five.
[40:58] This gets the ultimate five-on section
[41:01] at the Central Pike intersection
[41:04] comes back a certain distance
[41:05] that we've worked out with public works
[41:07] at that full five lane
[41:08] and then transitions have to three left.
[41:10] So you get the ultimate road section, day one.
[41:14] With this start prior to,
[41:18] and maybe just a tall question,
[41:22] start prior to the Central Pike interchange,
[41:25] Therefore, allowing John Hager, whether or not it's comes like this, I'm sure that's a discussion between you guys and T dot out there, but this would potentially give an access point, a good access point so that the people on John Hager continue to come in and out.
[41:46] Yeah, I can't speak to when they're going to start their construction with the Interchange Project is
[41:53] Slated to start in 2029. Okay.
[41:57] That being said, there have been some changes to the plans.
[42:02] I can agree the final right way plans aren't available yet, but they're coming in immediately.
[42:07] But the last I saw that John Hager was going to continue to
[42:12] continue to sunk or pipe.
[42:13] You'd come right in right out when the energy comes in.
[42:16] And it will be this development responsibility to
[42:22] essentially install that realign John Hager that feed out with
[42:26] the previous we're going to do.
[42:28] So that connection is coming with this.
[42:32] But they're going to track independent when you really
[42:35] of one sentence comes in.
[42:39] At least gives an option or an access point right there
[42:42] with the folks that depend on John Hager,
[42:44] while Central Park is kind of messed up up there
[42:47] for a little bit, or pretty busy with a lot of activity on.
[42:51] Well, that would actually be the top build-out of the target,
[42:56] because they're not building that connection yet.
[42:59] That is would come with some of the other,
[43:03] If you look at that approved punch, you're going to come up with some of the other sites that A2
[43:10] trying to find it. Yeah, A2 is a northern half of A1. If you're looking at CTO or an O2, you can
[43:21] believe there's no pun critters on on when that road is realigned. Quite frankly, they
[43:26] weren't supposed to have to build that road. We're going to have a five-line road sitting there
[43:33] as a visit but the drop should at least
[43:35] would you guys joe would you guys be ahead of that 29 date then?
[43:39] yeah we're gonna start construction this fall should probably
[43:42] can we next spring early summer?
[43:45] right kind of semi traffic are we looking at overall it makes me a little nervous
[43:49] very minimal yeah i mean this is a this is not a daily
[43:53] you know distribution hub this is
[43:57] at the equipment ready to go for artists leaving on tour, coming in, you know, they're
[44:05] loading it up, they're coming in, they're tested, and heavy vehicles will not be required
[44:10] to go through any of the densely areas prior to getting to the interchange.
[44:14] Yeah.
[44:15] Honestly, even before that comes in, they can stick to major collectors in our
[44:28] Thank you.
[44:29] Thank you.
[44:30] Thank you.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:31] See you now for the questions and comments this time.
[44:33] I'd like to call for this in comments regards this item on our agenda.
[44:36] And we'll wish you to make comments.
[44:37] Welcome and encourage to do so.
[44:39] Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record.
[44:45] I'm seeing no sense in comments this time.
[44:47] I'd like to ask for a motion regards this item on our agenda.
[44:53] Motion of approval.
[44:55] It's a motion.
[44:57] Second.
[44:57] all those in favor signify us
[45:00] We're saying aye, raise your hand. Aye, against abstinence. So proof. Please. Sorry, just to confirm that included the material waiver.
[45:12] Just thank you. Perfect.
[45:17] Yeah.
[45:22] Next item up in our gym is out of nine C, which is the redest site plan for Mainstead at Goldenbeard. Okay, 4515 Beckwith fro.
[45:32] It's Joe.
[45:47] OK, a couple months ago we saw, I think it was May, you saw the final map
[45:52] field on the plant for this. I also distributed the maps so you can kind of see the layout
[45:59] of this that's gone through. Starting with that P&DP. That was from my belief, 2024. That
[46:09] was the second P&DP. There was a financial one. Then they had an amendment where they got rid
[46:13] the age restricted in the Northeast corner that we talked about last month.
[46:18] And then the one you have before you is the P&DP, the most recent P&DP.
[46:23] And then I also printed out the FMDP that we've approved back in May.
[46:29] There are a couple inconsistencies in here and I have them in the site plan.
[46:40] And most notably, I think the FMDP should have 298 units in this plan before you
[46:46] got 311. So, that would have to be brought back down, or rather, it's got 311 of FNDP
[46:56] at 2202 and 92.
[47:00] Commercial square foot versus the FNDP that you saw in May went up a couple
[47:05] for a couple hundred square feet, 700 plus, we got restaurant, we got retail in there.
[47:16] Overall, density of this pot is cap at 7.4 units, this particular phase, you got 15.2,
[47:23] the same as it always was, more or less minus that discrimst the edge of this plane.
[47:33] I don't think there are a lot else to say out here, and not asking for much else.
[47:43] Yeah.
[47:43] Staff are going to the pool.
[47:44] This is site plan.
[47:47] Shane, public works.
[47:50] We recommend approval with our conditions.
[47:53] But I will get with planning because these conditions are from another project.
[47:59] There we go.
[48:00] Thank you, Michael.
[48:04] Todd, do you have anything on this one?
[48:07] Very well.
[48:09] Questions or comments from the commission?
[48:14] In the area, I didn't notice one.
[48:17] It is in building 100.
[48:20] I can help you with that one.
[48:21] In the building?
[48:22] It is in the building.
[48:24] I think that Mr. John made a note saying that we need to postmaster approval in order to locate
[48:29] it there.
[48:29] Let's go and ask for representation.
[48:31] Is there a lot of questions?
[48:40] Do you want to I guess speak to commission or arm states question on the male kiosk?
[48:51] Yeah, I'll be located in town of the building.
[48:53] That's great.
[48:53] For all the units?
[48:56] Yes.
[48:59] So that was going to leave me to one of my questions.
[49:00] I have word of that park.
[49:05] You know, in the lot there.
[49:10] So no dedicated parking for the male kiosk.
[49:14] This is not dedicated now.
[49:20] As you said, it says, some of the minutes are posterity on this.
[49:28] I mean, like, you have that when you go into retail places.
[49:31] I mean, restaurants, you know, apart there, certain few minutes.
[49:35] Why do you go pick up something?
[49:36] Would that not be consistent in this, this many units,
[49:41] and have you the mail in one place?
[49:46] I don't think that we have any.
[49:48] issue having that yeah.
[49:57] Let me come with how many spaces. I mean, I don't know this.
[50:02] I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I mean, space is with is the norm for this and then, oh, oh, let's see now.
[50:11] Really, that's right.
[50:14] One.
[50:17] I don't know.
[50:18] I don't know.
[50:19] I don't know.
[50:21] I don't know.
[50:21] I don't know.
[50:23] Well, how many times does somebody go to the post office like I go every day?
[50:27] And there's more than two cars there and I'm almost every day.
[50:32] I was in a pick and I'm a Bixley a part of the day and I was with a lady and she was
[50:39] picking up her mail and then it was probably in the afternoon people are getting off the
[50:45] work and they're coming in and wanting to get their mail and several people were parking
[50:50] And there were five or six or at least five or six parking spaces for that.
[50:58] That's a big complex.
[51:02] I think people will walk throughout and connect through the amenities center.
[51:10] That's pretty common in a multi-family development.
[51:13] So
[51:17] let's just, I don't carry on with with concerns I have overall on this one as it
[51:24] says. I just have to give us a copy of the, of the punished cell, which everybody here
[51:31] tonight received a copy of it. And one of the main reasons I wanted to see this, particularly,
[51:38] I mean, because I wanted to see how the original plug proposed the parking and how each
[51:48] bill was going to be serviced by that.
[51:51] A couple of the big differences, you know, we had buildings or one building at the back
[51:56] on this position to the flood plane there, I guess, to the east of this site.
[52:03] I think it was set up at one point for some of the green space on what I would call
[52:07] south west corner of it. I think I had heard
[52:12] traditional commercial at that time when this initially came here before us.
[52:17] So, as I was looking at the site, my concerns are one, I think that we've got to
[52:27] have dedicated parking for male kiosk right there. If nothing else you've got to
[52:37] have a place to put their core that they're not going to get towed out there.
[52:43] The Podis cap is 7.4 UPA, then how is the UPA, and this is a staff question, and how
[52:51] is 15.2 UPA in substantial compliance?
[52:56] So I'm 15.9, very well.
[53:00] And then in looking at the overall design, we're like, well, let's do apartments, and then I
[53:05] We should have got some room left, let's throw three townhomes in there.
[53:09] The logic to that one, some of them that I've never seen in 22 years sitting here, that
[53:15] you throw three townhomes in the middle of all apartments.
[53:20] Don't like that.
[53:21] That could easily be converted back to commercial and commercial percentage to come up, because
[53:26] that was what was desired by this commission at the time that this plug was approved.
[53:31] Number two is you've got the commercial and then the commercial doesn't have any director
[53:38] immediate access to even trash receptacles that they have to cross all the way across
[53:43] the site to get to trash so to me that's prohibitive for any potential restaurants to come
[53:49] in there that they're either going to have to throw it in a car or throw it in a truck or
[53:54] or we've not accommodated trash.
[53:58] So that to me says that none of my uses
[54:01] are going to be any kind of restaurant
[54:02] or anything convenient over there too.
[54:05] Three is I'll have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
[54:14] nine, ten sections that we've designed
[54:20] the parking to back into the drive lanes throughout this site. On blind corners, blind intersections
[54:29] that I don't see that the travel around this site and the waste is on and the way that
[54:35] the parking, the building elevation is I think everything will great but the parking configuration
[54:40] on this and how you're going to drive them maneuver this site. I think it's really poorly designed.
[54:45] I mean we have traffic back and out, I'm happy to show you my plan and show you my concerns
[54:50] on it, but you know in the initial plan too with where your northern parking is, you have
[54:57] parking place, the line, the parking place.
[55:00] So we originally proposed we had green space separating that parking up there on the north side of this development.
[55:08] And I mean, you have caused backing in the intersections. And I just don't understand how that is a good plan or a good design that this body should approve and say, well, it works, it meets.
[55:20] I don't know how it works and meets where people parking backing into intersections.
[55:28] are you found to the north side like the air arm? Oh, I would love to show it to
[56:06] you, okay?
[56:29] And those are just, it gives me the field, the project is a whole lot like, and your
[56:37] elevations are like, and everything they're like, but I feel like we struggle to get this
[56:42] units in compliance with our parking requirements and so we put parking places and places that
[56:51] in areas that I don't feel are well-designed or safe and that's my only struggle with your
[57:00] with this project as we have before. So I did really and that's just for my comments on with it.
[57:09] I'd like to see it develop. It does appear to be now that I got to see this tonight as I came
[57:15] up in here. It's very similar to the design. I know I've been kind of outspoken on some of them
[57:20] coming forward to us that really haven't been very similar and it's in their initial design
[57:25] on them and then compliance with our pod. A prudent here but the overall design and seeing what was
[57:33] submitted for the pod does look pretty close in this case here so I agree with staff's assessment
[57:38] on it. And I'd like to see it go, but it just doesn't, this one just doesn't feel that it drives
[57:46] right. And it's safe for the people that we're going to put in there. And I'd like to
[57:51] see the retail and potential restaurant component with it. And again, you know, where your
[57:57] retail is and your closest dumpster pad, I mean, you know, you got a good haul over there.
[58:02] And so how are we going to get? I'd like to see these attract the commercial and the retail
[58:07] attract people that don't necessarily live in the apartments as well to want to come here
[58:13] and it just doesn't lay out like it's going to be an easy way in or out and you know when
[58:19] once people figure out they can't get in and out easy and they have more potential enough to go
[58:24] and I'd like to see the long-term success of this project be successful.
[58:29] And I was concerned about those three towns as well. It just looks so just pushing people
[58:37] together and it's such a small space here.
[58:41] But the pocket park is where that is behind the town
[58:47] home units.
[58:49] Is that a potential playground?
[58:52] What is that meant to be?
[58:53] I didn't see if I see the pool, the pavilion,
[58:57] and a fitness center, and I know that the designs of the apartments
[59:05] seem to be one to two bedrooms.
[59:06] Do you have pretty veterans there as well?
[59:08] Believe it's just one or two.
[59:10] So it's probably designed for it.
[59:13] Beginning homes and young young people,
[59:16] but they still have children sometimes.
[59:19] And I was just thinking that there's nothing much that
[59:25] benefits them in terms of a play area.
[59:30] I say that it could be there by the pool prevailing beyond that,
[59:34] a designated area.
[59:39] And that's a lot of people.
[59:42] It's a lot of people.
[59:51] Same amount of the question for you.
[59:53] Is this at this point of this project?
[59:57] It's just one to where this body has the ability.
[1:00:00] To put a trigger on the commercial, with a versus CO,
[1:00:08] I just
[1:00:19] want to make sure that the commercial component is done.
[1:00:32] I'd like to see to see it move forward, but I think as a parking configuration is laid out right now,
[1:00:38] I've got concerns in regards to this, and let me ask you one more question real quick, the
[1:00:47] the north side parking as you come in off of old Beckwith Road looks like that entire north section
[1:00:56] of parking is off property. Yes, it would be shared with that next development that's coming in.
[1:01:03] the HR circuit these.
[1:01:07] You guys got easements and everything in place
[1:01:10] allowing that to happen.
[1:01:17] Was that necessary to get in compliance with our part
[1:01:20] in places?
[1:01:23] We're a part where a little over-park at the moment,
[1:01:25] because we dropped the number of units from 301 to 292
[1:01:29] from FMDP to site plan to be consistent with the PMDP.
[1:01:35] So we've got a few spots we can lose,
[1:01:37] but not not that many.
[1:01:41] So you saw my concerns with some of the parking there.
[1:01:46] Couldn't lose enough parking to address all of those concerns
[1:01:49] that I shared with you.
[1:01:51] To me, we called you to lose that one right there.
[1:01:58] 34,
[1:02:02] maybe five, six.
[1:02:05] $7.89, $1.10, $1.11.
[1:02:13] We would definitely under park.
[1:02:15] 13, 14, 15, 16, 17,
[1:02:20] 18,
[1:02:20] roughly around 20 parking places
[1:02:22] of what it would lose.
[1:02:28] Do you have any suggestions for that reconfiguration?
[1:02:33] Yeah, we really have to study that to give an honest answer on that.
[1:02:39] You know, we've worked this pretty good
[1:02:42] to try and meet the, you know, the parking requirements for 292 units and, you know,
[1:02:50] feel that this is, you know, would be acceptable. I understand your concerns, and I see them.
[1:02:58] But this, this is a parking lot. This is not a, a local, you know, so there is a little bit of
[1:03:06] difference there, but I see what you're saying.
[1:03:12] Todd, your draft engineer?
[1:03:14] I know it's not a public road,
[1:03:19] but you had to review this right here.
[1:03:20] I mean, is this a, is it safe to put people back in the intersection?
[1:03:28] It's not uncommon.
[1:03:30] In parking lots.
[1:03:33] Now typically we do see your more stereotypical straight lines
[1:03:39] with a more central drivile that you return off into your parking drivile,
[1:03:49] however we've
[1:03:50] got tea intersections with perpendicular parking throughout town. It's not a major safety
[1:03:58] concern just because of the speeds we're talking about in parking lots and through pedestrian
[1:04:08] around and
[1:04:12] generally avoid having people walk in the driveway on other several places on a
[1:04:17] process site that that could be improved. But we're talking about low-speed collisions here,
[1:04:24] but you are on it. There is more risk for a collision in general when you have parking near
[1:04:33] sections and you have another conflict point to do with.
[1:04:43] No, my engineer. I'm not.
[1:04:47] Like a couple of notes here are quick to make sure it's included in here.
[1:04:54] This is just some additional crosswalk striping. I'd like to see crosswalk striping at the
[1:05:00] Loftz.
[1:05:02] As you come in the north entrance, us partying lot to your right, you get several sidewalks offロans
[1:05:08] walked and we look at those directions throughout the cuerpo section.
[1:05:29] building 100 or apartment slash co-bails come through the roundabout to the south side of it
[1:05:37] you have subwalk crossing there. I'd see striping for a crosswalk right there. It's not necessarily leading
[1:05:45] to another sidewalk, but you're coming out of that. You're making all your commercial customers
[1:05:52] cross this entry exit point and have a no dedicated crosswalk or anything right there for
[1:05:59] your commercial people to access a commercial buildings there for their parking.
[1:06:05] I think that is all that I got. Further questions comments? Commissioner Frank?
[1:06:14] Yeah, I'm only going back to a comment. I think Commissioner Morris did
[1:06:18] make about the mail room. I mean, that's going to be building 100 is going to be hard to live in next
[1:06:24] that thing. I mean, you think about it. I mean, I don't know how I get my mail every
[1:06:28] day from a mailbox, but everyone gets their mail. 300 people are going to be visiting
[1:06:33] building one a day. And it's in the same building of 47 units. And so somebody's going to
[1:06:41] be living next door to this. And it's never going to be quiet. And there's always going to,
[1:06:48] I mean, honestly, the mailworm should be, you know, somehow put on the outside of one of
[1:06:54] humans at least is far away or even separated because if you're just going to have one place,
[1:07:02] it seems like you're going to make it almost the last place you're going to want to rent.
[1:07:06] I mean, how would you like to live in building 100?
[1:07:08] I mean, it's just always going to be door slamming people when I'm about what I'm talking.
[1:07:14] I mean, it's the rest of the residence as well, it's picking up their mail, I mean.
[1:07:21] Yeah. People do it on their way in that.
[1:07:23] That's not convenient. That's what was convenient to do.
[1:07:24] in and out. I mean, you're going on your way out after you get the mail in the way to the store
[1:07:28] or coming out from work or whatever. They're going to have to drive down here and cross and
[1:07:33] I mean, it's buried really keep away. So I don't know. That that to me is. Did you consider
[1:07:42] anything else that prior to putting in the building? Yeah, I'll have to discuss with the architect
[1:07:49] to, you know, other options. But, you know, where it's, where it's at is with proximity, right
[1:07:56] to the, you know, get the pool and brought across from the amount of areas. So, you know, I think
[1:08:03] without stealing more from the clubhouse, it's probably where it had to go. Yeah, I'm not thinking
[1:08:10] about clubhouse. I'm just seeing some other areas that are possibilities. And I'm like another structure.
[1:08:17] Yes, yes, yes.
[1:08:19] Well, please stand.
[1:08:21] Please stand.
[1:08:22] Yeah, please stand.
[1:08:22] Yeah, no, no structure.
[1:08:23] And you were talking about coming in to the north of Old Beck with, and there's plenty of, looks like a grain space there that we're up at Kiosk.
[1:08:33] So that is a TVA, the no structure can be.
[1:08:38] Even though there's green there.
[1:08:40] Yeah, you can't, you can't put a roof in there.
[1:08:43] No structures.
[1:08:49] So the whole design locked down or is there potential, I'm seeing a very unique design
[1:08:58] of kind of that center island there and I would strongly recommend making that a more
[1:09:03] traditional size for more functional if maybe swim club develop here or classes or whatever
[1:09:12] the case may be trying to swim in a very uniquely shaped pool like that could bring up a lot
[1:09:19] of different issues, so something more standardized.
[1:09:34] I'm just very wary of the mental situation.
[1:09:37] I agree with you, I would like to see a playground in that just north of the pool there.
[1:09:43] Perfect spot for it.
[1:09:46] Samuel will come back to you real quick.
[1:09:48] Does this body at this point in time on this submittal?
[1:09:51] this being a side plan request.
[1:09:54] Do we have the ability to request to make changes to this?
[1:10:01] Or do we have the ability to turn it down?
[1:10:04] Yes, as long as you don't go, you are not because then you will find a master development plan.
[1:10:11] So if they had a proof that they were going to come to the chair.
[1:10:18] So, for disapprove it for other reasons.
[1:10:22] Because if there's a proof that they're going to find a master development plan, it'd be safe to agree with it.
[1:10:29] Well,
[1:10:32] I think that we have any issues with any of the crosswalk things that you've mentioned
[1:10:36] and making those connections.
[1:10:39] And I'm happy to bring things up
[1:10:41] as far as the concerns of the mail room.
[1:10:45] We can have those discussions today.
[1:10:47] And I like this one, Michael, I do.
[1:10:52] So that we could have a team there, perhaps.
[1:10:55] That sounds really good for young folks.
[1:10:58] Plus maintenance, plus corner, a lot of work.
[1:11:04] Right, Art.
[1:11:05] Well, the only thing I have about the pool is that this neighborhood probably is not
[1:11:10] going to have a lot of children and it's going to be one and two bedroom.
[1:11:14] We don't have a lot of other people that go out there and want to maybe see this kind of thing.
[1:11:18] Like when we go to Florida up a place, you know, they got islands in the pool and then do anything
[1:11:26] for me.
[1:11:28] But you know, kids and younger people it does, so I don't have a problem with the pool.
[1:11:35] But I think that they could do something with that build-in to make that he asks a separate
[1:11:40] or something.
[1:11:41] Because it's just like you're talking about the people going in.
[1:11:44] I mean, I go in.
[1:11:45] Like, get my mouth sometimes.
[1:11:47] So if you're out of town and people come, everybody's not going to go a bit of a clock in here.
[1:11:53] So I mean, you have people that travel and come back home, they're going to get their mouth.
[1:11:57] So that could be two to the clock in the morning, three to the morning, what if the world
[1:12:01] everybody under the bed, not a fault, not a guarantee.
[1:12:06] Where, where do people in those two northern
[1:12:09] buildings take their garbage, to the far north and the far northeast? Yeah, they would come down
[1:12:17] to the south, but there's also access inside of those buildings as
[1:12:25] well. Wait, say again, there's also
[1:12:26] But the lead, there is a compactor.
[1:12:32] You're talking about buildings 200 and 300, right?
[1:12:35] Correct.
[1:12:36] I mean, I can see the South portion of 300
[1:12:38] has access to that one at the South compactor enclosure.
[1:12:43] But that's quite a hole for 200, unless that building
[1:12:47] 700 maintenance is going to also have garbage.
[1:12:53] That one is not.
[1:12:54] Yeah, I didn't think it was.
[1:12:58] So I'm seeing a total of
[1:13:02] two dumpsters for this whole, or am I messing one?
[1:13:10] That's correct. I see two. I don't know. Do we have standards for that?
[1:13:18] Those are going to have to be gigantic dumpsters for 300 units.
[1:13:25] Yeah, okay. We're singing quality life for these folks.
[1:13:36] I got to be honest with you.
[1:13:40] Yeah.
[1:13:42] Without the dumpsters, without the mail kiosk, the three town homes give me a ton of hard
[1:13:46] barn
[1:13:50] traffic engineers, good with the parking, but I mean, it just...
[1:14:01] You could have the mail kiosk on there with the three town homes, I know that it's not
[1:14:05] comfortable.
[1:14:07] I personally think that it should receive the staff comments and adjust accordingly.
[1:14:15] Pardon?
[1:14:26] I just wanted to point out that the final Master Development Plan does have the three town homes.
[1:14:32] So the planning commission should not have the issue of that.
[1:14:35] There have
[1:14:50] been very little site when and changes since FMDB.
[1:15:00] No, that doesn't change a poor design. And it's a poor design. It's poor, it's all out, poorly laid out. It might be in compliance, but there's just zero consideration to people that are going to live here.
[1:15:14] I mean, I just don't say I can stand there and say that there's not. I mean, there's just, it's in compliance. We can say that.
[1:15:24] outside of that. It's no vision. I mean, I can keep on with adjectives, but
[1:15:36] what happens when you don't have quality is that in the future, then the rent will
[1:15:44] drop and you're going to have some situations. And I never go before apartments in my previous
[1:15:51] time of commission. Never. And I do now because there's some places that I've had
[1:15:57] of total change. But they're again the final design that the design should be for quality
[1:16:03] too, not just quality because, you know, time goes by fast. So what's going to happen
[1:16:09] between years from now? If people are not satisfied and they have to walk all the way across
[1:16:14] for this or like they take the trash all the way across this whole development and and all
[1:16:22] of this who's going to live there only just live there a year and then move somewhere else
[1:16:27] and if people don't live there guess what the rate goes down so more people comes in there
[1:16:32] and you know you know where I'm going to put this so that's the only thing so you gotta
[1:16:38] But
[1:16:48] he says anybody else has any additional discussion feel free to have it and reading some stuff personally over here.
[1:17:03] What do you suppose master doesn't approve this male chaos being located internally and building 100?
[1:17:11] I would. I mean, the postmaster checker.
[1:17:17] You have?
[1:17:17] We have, we have,
[1:17:25] and
[1:17:57] here's my concern, and this is based on staff's comment as well.
[1:18:06] If we were to say, hey, you can give a staff to resolve some of these issues and move forward.
[1:18:12] The fact that staff has already indicated that they requested several things of you in their meetings
[1:18:17] and you had zero willingness to work with staff in order to hear their concerns in regards
[1:18:24] to the site, but yet continued to press the site forward,
[1:18:31] is of concern in itself.
[1:18:32] So how can I put that back up on staff to say, hey, this body feels like many more than
[1:18:37] two dumpsters.
[1:18:38] This body feels like the male kiosk is here.
[1:18:40] When staff is sitting here saying that they've made these suggestions to you and they've made
[1:18:44] these comments to you.
[1:18:45] And yet here we are at this meeting tonight and you've ignored staff.
[1:18:51] So how can this body forward something to staff with a recommendation or some type of approval
[1:18:57] to say, hey, work with staff on this, when staff's comments are falling upon deaf ears?
[1:19:04] Well, respectfully, and maybe I've missed something here, but the things that were brought
[1:19:09] up with the dumpster and the milk he asked, that's the first time that I've heard that
[1:19:14] from staff.
[1:19:15] Perhaps that's been mentioned to somebody else and not myself, if it was written somewhere,
[1:19:21] maybe I've missed that and apologies for that, but as far as me personally, that's the first
[1:19:27] that I've heard of that. So when I hear some feedback from staff, we take that very seriously
[1:19:35] and seek to implement that into the plans, because we take pride in the work that we do,
[1:19:42] we want to produce a quality product. It's not just onto the next, you know, I take just as much
[1:19:48] proud as you guys do and making this city great. So yeah.
[1:20:03] John, need believe that the issues that you've heard from us here tonight, if we were to make those conditions of approval, that this would be able to be worked through by yourself and additional staff at the city,
[1:20:23] in dumpsters.
[1:20:27] Think that's about it.
[1:20:35] Okay, same we're able to add conditions.
[1:20:38] Very well.
[1:20:39] If all of it doesn't reflect what they've got to do with care and if I'm not responsible.
[1:20:43] Very well.
[1:20:46] I'd like to say, regardless of the age, the age, the age, the age, the age, and the age.
[1:20:52] Yeah.
[1:20:54] All right.
[1:20:55] For the discussion questions, comments?
[1:20:59] Well, just to say, I mean, don't get me wrong in my comments about the mayor room and all,
[1:21:07] but we want you to be successful if you're successful.
[1:21:10] You're going to have a good business.
[1:21:12] apartments are a business and if they don't make a profit go down in value and they're not a
[1:21:18] They're certainly not any pride to have in your city and so I
[1:21:23] Respect all of the comments. We're all trying to make this a success. So
[1:21:28] Yeah, thank you for saying that
[1:21:31] All right, thank you
[1:21:33] Let's go ahead and open the floor for this in comments. He says we should make comment. We're welcome to encourage to do something
[1:21:38] Please come to my front name and address for the work
[1:21:46] Seeing those systems and comments, I am going to open the floor for a motion in regards
[1:21:52] this item on our agenda.
[1:22:00] Thank you, Mr. Restaurant.
[1:22:01] I should have a dumpster for itself.
[1:22:04] My individual dumpster for the rest of them, most of the restaurants do have a dumpster.
[1:22:12] And they fill them up
[1:22:15] for the people to go to the need to be.
[1:22:21] I know I have a concern in regards to some crosswalks.
[1:22:25] We have additional dumpsters,
[1:22:31] male kiosk, access, and parking to the kiosk.
[1:22:40] Somehow, yeah.
[1:22:41] I'd
[1:22:47] like
[1:23:05] to dare to craft a motion in regards to this.
[1:23:25] I'll go only and I'll make a motion to approve subject to the additional following conditions.
[1:23:33] One is the addition of a crosswalk and I will provide my drawing to staff that I have here indicating these points.
[1:23:45] In addition to the crosswalk at the north west side wall connection, as you come in off the north side, crosswalk again from the commercial to the to the parking lot.
[1:24:07] I'm going to include in that crosswalk section the extension of the sidewalk up to old
[1:24:15] with road,
[1:24:20] a additional, make sure that there's an
[1:24:27] additional dumpster trac system to be located
[1:24:34] on the north section of this property to service, particularly building 200, potentially
[1:24:46] building 300 requirement that the commercial facilities have dedicated trash
[1:24:52] receptacles just for them that include access points and all across.
[1:25:00] This walks to safely get to them that the mail kiosk be removed from the clubhouse, and potentially to mail kiosks be added at the eastern side of the development, as well as the western side of the development.
[1:25:24] and shall we cover it and with a minimum of two parking places accessible to that male
[1:25:32] key ask
[1:25:37] and subject to all staff confidence.
[1:25:41] That is my most favorite.
[1:25:45] That is a motion in a second.
[1:25:48] All those in favor signify by saying aye and raising your hand, aye, against the extensions.
[1:25:59] So for the next item up on the agenda is reviewed the site plan for in light, back with located
[1:26:08] and X-12-009, volunteer and bovard.
[1:26:14] Mr. John.
[1:26:25] I'm going to blow a lot of water in there.
[1:26:29] I'm going to go and take them off.
[1:26:32] And essentially, they're at the store.
[1:26:34] I
[1:26:36] just taken this 112,000 pre-interpoint square
[1:26:40] for what warehouse is a 16-acre site.
[1:26:44] It's owned IR already.
[1:26:49] typical of these. We've got a waiver request for precast concrete. I think the
[1:26:58] press is in the area. It fits with its surroundings.
[1:27:07] I think that's it.
[1:27:12] This is
[1:27:13] involved here. It is 75-let's
[1:27:21] call. No, that's all. The conditions, the approval of conditions,
[1:27:25] so it's
[1:27:29] a pretty minor.
[1:27:33] There we go.
[1:27:34] James, you need there from Public Works.
[1:27:36] Step, Mr. Step, recommend the approval with our comments. Thank you.
[1:27:41] Questions, comments from the commission?
[1:28:02] There's a pretty significant three location on the site.
[1:28:07] The way it was explained to us was that it would be very difficult to connect the road
[1:28:17] completely and stay out of the buffer for the revoked history.
[1:28:21] So they did coordinate with the Fire Marshall several times actually to ensure that what
[1:28:29] they're showing would be acceptable for our fire department.
[1:28:34] I believe every point in the building is within 200 feet of an accessible spot for a fire truck,
[1:28:42] which is for two fire code requires.
[1:28:50] So that's how they came to the gap there that they came to.
[1:28:57] Thank you.
[1:29:00] For the questions, comments?
[1:29:02] Let's go ahead and ask for representation, name and address for record place.
[1:29:07] Connor Gilbert Kimley-Horn, civil society engineer.
[1:29:11] To add to the split connection, there's also some cross drainage that comes off from
[1:29:15] off-site.
[1:29:16] This is a pretty heavily cross-drained servicing multiple properties that's on the
[1:29:21] south side of that building.
[1:29:23] We're essentially maintaining that path of flow and it sort of restricts that full
[1:29:28] circulation that it's also crossport for crossport.
[1:29:32] It's split port for a two-tint build out.
[1:29:35] So you kind of have those dedicated access points
[1:29:37] and parking for the tenants that would be a part
[1:29:40] of that build out.
[1:29:43] So there was, I just drawn on.
[1:29:45] So there was no way to kind of connect these two either
[1:29:48] down there.
[1:29:49] We looked into it, but that cross-drain kind of
[1:29:53] grants and conflicts where ultimately
[1:29:54] they would result in some substantial changes
[1:29:58] of how drainage patterns all exist.
[1:30:00] Okay. Chief folks, was good with it. Good to go. Good to go, question for you. Are you tilt up on this? Yes, sir, tilt up. So I got your color palette and everything back here. And then you're doing texture on top of it. Is the, are you using the smooth form tilt up then is, is the plan? That is my understanding. I mean, from all architectural standpoint, there may be some stamping for texture.
[1:30:31] but I do believe it's smooth for.
[1:30:34] So the texture would be applied during the application
[1:30:37] of the paint.
[1:30:39] I would just paint or is it some kind of a stuck-over
[1:30:43] drive-in or, I guess, you can put the color out there.
[1:30:49] But what is being applied?
[1:30:51] We just had a few of these commercial buildings
[1:30:53] over there in the area that I like to tilt up
[1:30:56] construction, so I'm a fan of that, especially when
[1:30:58] you get these tall walls.
[1:30:59] I think they're safer in a better way to construct these in the long run, but I also want to make sure that the facade and the application and the materials applied to them are also going to hold up and look better than a few of them that said that manufacturer man is a hundred years, we're never going to touch it.
[1:31:17] Anyway, we're seven years in and it looks like you need to touch it.
[1:31:20] I understand, I believe that we need to get that architectural team to confirm that.
[1:31:24] I don't want to speak out of turn there.
[1:31:27] But I'm sure that we're willing to comply with any kind of material standards on that front.
[1:31:35] And just curiosity out of myself.
[1:31:39] How is it?
[1:31:41] We're just going to be a guy with a spray gun and spray in just direct, sure,
[1:31:46] and we need to be sure when we can paint colors.
[1:31:48] So sure when we can paint colors to it.
[1:31:50] or is it actually going to have, you know,
[1:31:52] you actually got textured guns or materials or just adding
[1:31:56] that color to something out there,
[1:32:01] at a different type of spray on material
[1:32:02] that would give it that kind of finish.
[1:32:05] I got all the school stuck up, you know,
[1:32:06] that sprayed on as well,
[1:32:08] but then you put whatever color that you want to it,
[1:32:11] very green or purple or whatever.
[1:32:14] And just gives it a texture,
[1:32:15] gives it a little bit of a feeling of depth and dimension.
[1:32:19] and sometimes, too, can help that a long journey of the paint to hold up.
[1:32:29] For the questions comments from the commission?
[1:32:33] Thank you so much.
[1:32:35] Seeing not just Tom, I'd like to ask for Susan comments.
[1:32:39] And he says that we should make common of the Guards of Sodom on our General.
[1:32:42] Welcome, we encourage you to do so.
[1:32:43] Please come to the microphone.
[1:32:44] State your name and address for the record.
[1:32:48] Seeing not just in comments at this time.
[1:32:50] I'd like to ask for a motion in regards to Sodom on our General.
[1:32:56] It's motion.
[1:32:58] And a second, all those in favor, significant five by saying hi and raise an hand, hi, against extensions, so approved.
[1:33:12] Next item up on our agenda is out of nine east or east of the site plan for Hickory Station west, located at 261 west Main Street.
[1:33:19] at least a job.
[1:33:26] Yes.
[1:33:52] The condition in there that they add some windows to the north, north of
[1:33:58] Saudi, that's north of the side. It's a little blank. It's going to be facing north. Let me make
[1:34:09] sure I don't have anything else in here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's all recommending approval
[1:34:17] with the conditions, and there's only 13 of them in them, pretty minor.
[1:34:21] Well, thank you.
[1:34:23] Shane needs that from public works.
[1:34:25] So we recommend approval with our conditions.
[1:34:27] It's listed.
[1:34:28] Thank you.
[1:34:29] Thank you.
[1:34:29] Todd, anything?
[1:34:31] Yeah.
[1:34:32] I just want them to move the bike rack.
[1:34:34] Do you mind?
[1:34:34] I want them to move the bike rack.
[1:34:36] Ah, where would you like them to move the bike rack?
[1:34:38] Anyway, let's not immediately on a concrete wall.
[1:34:42] Yeah, it looks like there's some spot to the south side of the building there.
[1:34:45] I, your bikes will be blocking your sidewalk there.
[1:34:51] Where
[1:34:56] do you want it? Tell me where.
[1:34:59] Uh, if it just...
[1:35:00] Local government meeting itself of the building, as opposed to the up against the wall of the dumpster enclosure,
[1:35:10] there's room for it, we can work with the applicant.
[1:35:14] Okay. Perfect.
[1:35:17] Small details.
[1:35:19] Small details.
[1:35:19] Make a difference.
[1:35:20] I like it.
[1:35:23] Questions comments on the commission?
[1:35:30] Seeing none.
[1:35:30] At this time, let's call for citizen comments.
[1:35:32] And what we should make comments.
[1:35:33] We're going to encourage you to do so.
[1:35:34] Please come to the microphone and state of naming address for the record.
[1:35:39] Seeing no Susan comments at this time like to ask for a motion regards this item on our agenda
[1:35:49] I'm like a motion to approve so did the staff comments and the
[1:35:54] Movement of the bike rack to a
[1:35:58] site as determined
[1:35:59] our traffic engineer
[1:36:03] It's motion in the second all those in favor seeing five of us saying aye. Raise your hand. Aye against
[1:36:09] extensions so per week.
[1:36:14] Next item up on our agenda is a discussion item. It is item 10A. It is a land use plan and zoning ordinance amendment.
[1:36:28] This Mr. John.
[1:36:29] I give you an update here. So I
[1:36:34] think
[1:36:38] there's a lot. There's no volunteer huge here.
[1:36:42] item if we do it correctly.
[1:36:48] And I think the way I'm thinking about it over the last
[1:36:53] of the weeks, I think the way to proceed the most functional way, most likely way to get
[1:36:59] what we want us to amend the code. I think we're going to choose what we need to do by
[1:37:05] tweaking. Well, so that's where we back up. We've got to talk about the land. Let's talk about
[1:37:10] going on in a bit of a significant point. Tightening those up, those two up, those two up,
[1:37:16] those quick area.
[1:37:20] I looked at PMVP check-up, what were required? I would probably, at this
[1:37:25] one, I'll leave that alone. I made a required part of that on the free PMVP. There is language
[1:37:32] with the FMVP that we could, I think we could. But that's, you know, in a way, as we talked
[1:37:40] last month. There are a lot of the decrease things that we don't want them to be
[1:37:45] decreased. I mean, it's kind of a long kind of a week.
[1:37:50] That's a pretty
[1:37:51] reason code of that month.
[1:37:55] The checklist volume, pretty, pretty, pretty
[1:37:58] straightforward code of that month. I think we can kind of
[1:38:02] This way, some of these fear, whether we get on the VF and VF by making this week's to those items in the other parts of it.
[1:38:15] And so the wind, now, right up to the landing map, I
[1:38:22] haven't landed fully on that, where I would like,
[1:38:25] I think there's a couple options that we thought, I thought, you know, we talked about a part of that,
[1:38:30] But I don't really know at this time that would be the best possible.
[1:38:38] I think the, we're going to do the land is a member of the land that I do the whole thing.
[1:38:47] It's just due for that event.
[1:38:52] Some of these properties down in that area, I don't know.
[1:38:56] I mean, they've got this practicality, I think, about it,
[1:38:59] to how do we even change the land with plans for some of these,
[1:39:05] a landless plan is that it has come from the question of African and a reason that has come from it.
[1:39:12] So I don't,
[1:39:15] it's, we have to really dialogue deep, I think, and look at the whole land, it's fine.
[1:39:22] But when my thoughts are far, this is good.
[1:39:27] I hope, I hope it has been there, because this is, and I don't know, I don't really know how to proceed.
[1:39:32] There are some DPS, DPS issues that are haven't, that can be fixed with an awarding
[1:39:40] amendment and it's pretty good.
[1:39:43] So it's a land risk, or I am changes
[1:39:49] kind of now.
[1:39:51] I'd rather just say it's really a whole plan.
[1:40:00] I don't know what else, what else we want to add to that, but that kind of where I'm out on the point.
[1:40:08] You have some comments as well?
[1:40:10] Yeah, I'm going to speak John a little bit for you.
[1:40:15] We've been talking about this for about a month since the last issues that Mr. Franklin brought up in the last meeting
[1:40:22] mean use math and has spoke about some of this. And what we would like to see first is
[1:40:28] without going into a complete overhaul for the land use right out of the gate, we would
[1:40:33] like to see if we can tighten up the distance between FMP and FMP and FMP just by adding
[1:40:43] some verbiage and tightening up the six criteria that equals substantial compliance. I think
[1:40:51] some of the concerns that not only the planning commission has discussed that we've also heard from the
[1:40:58] B the VOC as well is making sure that substantial compliance is a little more substantial
[1:41:07] is what we're looking for and hoping that we can accomplish that but instead of using the terms
[1:41:15] of them, the mayor's use because I didn't know what it meant for a minute is we don't want to throw
[1:41:20] the baby out with the bath water.
[1:41:23] So if we can do that by tightening up those six criteria
[1:41:27] that would probably be our first step
[1:41:29] and our preferred step and then if it doesn't get
[1:41:31] where we need to be, then we can look at other options.
[1:41:35] That's what we would prefer as staff.
[1:41:38] And I think that is based on the VOC members
[1:41:42] that I've spoken with is the preferred first step.
[1:41:48] What are some of the things that always come up, right?
[1:41:54] We're always talking about crosswalk striping that was missed,
[1:41:58] or we're always talking about male kiosks,
[1:42:01] and we're always talking about garbage,
[1:42:05] receptacle, locations. There's got to be a way.
[1:42:09] What's that?
[1:42:10] We're talking from another planet.
[1:42:14] Yeah.
[1:42:15] We could do those things, but it was a separate, could be separate, right?
[1:42:19] No, no, but it's not, that's like commercial standards.
[1:42:24] Yes, okay.
[1:42:25] And like a couple months ago, we did do one for the mail to the ask.
[1:42:30] How do we, how do we even, there's only so much we have we can control with that.
[1:42:37] Is there?
[1:42:38] Well, we could, we could, I mean, we could make those changes.
[1:42:43] I mean, yeah, but I don't think they're,
[1:42:45] they're not really related to what they're talking about.
[1:42:47] Okay, okay, understood.
[1:42:49] See one of the things that I've had and then my particular issues.
[1:42:54] I mean, you can see it, it's not as evident as I thought it was going to be, but it is.
[1:43:05] The PMDP,
[1:43:08] I mean, maybe it's as easy as saying your FMDP building locations have to be the same at FMDP.
[1:43:15] Well, right now it's an approximate location.
[1:43:19] But exactly.
[1:43:22] Yeah.
[1:43:23] Because.
[1:43:23] We can change that a little bit.
[1:43:24] A few different.
[1:43:25] Just with those.
[1:43:27] List requirements.
[1:43:28] Yeah.
[1:43:29] It's funny.
[1:43:29] We don't see any of this.
[1:43:31] P and D p to F and D p when it comes to a laid out subdivision.
[1:43:37] We'll see a few.
[1:43:38] But it's nothing really major out there.
[1:43:40] You know, you wrote is your road, your house is split off or your house is split off.
[1:43:45] I can't speak to one that is just a residential neighborhood that I said,
[1:43:49] man, this doesn't look anything like what will be approved.
[1:43:55] And yet here we are in a 12-month time period that I can name you 34,
[1:43:59] that just don't, you know, they come in selling a vision.
[1:44:04] And somewhere between PMDP and FMDP, the vision is lost, totally modified,
[1:44:10] And it just doesn't, I know it's in compliance, but it doesn't match what we were, you
[1:44:21] know, Game of the Dinner and Ain't What We Ordered, kind of a feeling is a thing here.
[1:44:27] And so maybe it's the, maybe it's the teeth that, you know, do your homework, do your research
[1:44:33] and put your buildings for the supposed to be in a living there.
[1:44:35] And then maybe it's something as well that we put,
[1:44:39] hey, you can't build your residential until you build your commercial.
[1:44:44] So we did, we have discussed putting some triggers in place
[1:44:49] where a certain percentage of commercial,
[1:44:52] if it is a mixed use,
[1:44:54] that's a certain number of commercials are available
[1:44:56] before you can get a number of CO's residential.
[1:44:58] But...
[1:45:00] I think one of the things that me and John have been quite a bit of time on as well as the city
[1:45:04] attorney is that when we're bring coming in as a preliminary plan, it is very much conceptual,
[1:45:12] it is very much preliminary. So getting married too much to what it is in a preliminary
[1:45:19] plan, they may have different vendors that may come in that they mean when they come in for
[1:45:24] those preliminary plans, they don't know who their tenants are going to be. They don't
[1:45:27] know who, I mean, they, if I know that they want to have mixed use, or they may know
[1:45:32] that there could be a commercial aspect to it, but they don't necessarily know what that
[1:45:36] binner's going to want their building shaped like, or the number of units that they
[1:45:41] may have the number of units that they want, but they may not know exactly the way of that building
[1:45:46] is going to lay out. So while I understand what the planning commission is talking about
[1:45:52] and wanting to get away from debate and switches, we do have to understand, I mean,
[1:45:57] Bobby, you've done this before, you understand what, when they're coming in at a preliminary stage, that is a very
[1:46:08] broad conceptual plan that they're coming in.
[1:46:13] Level that preliminary that's been on next step and then the final, we've already got three.
[1:46:19] We already have a concept, plan two, you can submit a concept.
[1:46:28] or the topic of land use anyway and I mean the other's probably trouble between holding
[1:46:36] them accountable but you know we we get land use plan amendment requests almost every
[1:46:42] meeting about four or five in the meeting so the development community they're not afraid
[1:46:47] to change our land use plan we shouldn't be afraid to change our land use plan the problem I mean this
[1:46:53] question that I don't have the vote, I've got a vote on it. Ultimately, the city commission
[1:46:59] gets to choose to amend the land use plan, since they adopted it. So they have the final
[1:47:04] side. But the question is, you got two quarters that are about to bloom. One is already
[1:47:10] blooming, obviously. And what do you want it to look like? I mean, do you want it to be all
[1:47:17] apartments? Because right now the environment in the development community is that's the easiest
[1:47:23] way to make a big sale. You could get the most for your property if you can flip an apartment
[1:47:29] complex on it through whatever standards we come up with. So the real question is, I see it,
[1:47:36] is do you want central pipe to be all apartments? I mean, we just see what the preliminary
[1:47:40] master's development plan is when we approve a set and there's more coming in just that one,
[1:47:46] But central pipe is a pretty long road and there's a lot of land use that can come in.
[1:47:55] And so as long as we got mixed use down there, originally mixed use in Mount Julie was in on one lot.
[1:48:02] Remember, it was a town center concept here where we brought mixed use in.
[1:48:07] We start talking about mixed use in one building.
[1:48:10] That's where it started.
[1:48:11] And now we're mixing uses in a hood in different lives and we're mixing so many uses up that you're having to put
[1:48:19] landscaping between you. That's not really mixed use when you have to buffer it internally. I mean, that's how ridiculous it's kind of God
[1:48:26] But I think I think we're getting duped into thinking
[1:48:30] That no one wants to come to Mount Juliet unless he gives us a set of apartments first and that's not true
[1:48:36] It's not true people are wanting to locate businesses in Mount Juliet without having apartments
[1:48:41] there are other redevelopers that will come. So, the land use question, I don't think we've even talked
[1:48:47] about yet. Do we really want that many more apartments up and down, go and bear gateway? My answer would
[1:48:53] be no. I mean, I don't have a vote on the City Commission, but that would be my, I think you got plenty.
[1:49:01] I don't think you have, I don't think Mount Juliet has to take that to get something
[1:49:06] anything added. It'll come. Sure. I think we're talking about two different areas of the city
[1:49:15] when we're talking about central parking when we're talking about vote and bear. And what
[1:49:21] your correct is, we don't want necessarily to see apartment complexes going up and down
[1:49:27] vote and bear. There is a different conversation to whether apartment complexes near an
[1:49:31] state route is a different conversation. But up and down gold and bear, especially a large portion
[1:49:39] from division to say, curb road. A lot of that is currently sold and I'm sure you're aware of that.
[1:49:47] And currently, as we're said here today, all of that is zone industrial. And we definitely don't want to
[1:50:00] Kenny Martin calls it golden for a reason, right? So there's an issue of council, right? Well, not necessarily, even though that has sold recently, we are actively in negotiations with the people that are going to develop that side from division street to
[1:50:23] occurred road or to woodland place for that much. And although you will be coming very
[1:50:32] soon to the eight or near you, there is going to be a phase one of that that is going
[1:50:38] to be industrial, but it's phase one is going to be tucked near the railroad tracks, and
[1:50:44] they do have some plans for some industrial coming on from that. However, everything passed
[1:50:49] that based on the conversation we've had is not going to be industrial.
[1:50:54] They're going to come back and ask for land use changes, where it is going to be a lot
[1:50:58] of OPS.
[1:50:59] It's going to be a lot of single family residential.
[1:51:03] There's going to be two schools that you are, I'm sure most of you, especially you Mr. Franklin
[1:51:07] are aware, that's going to be going in there where this developer is actively working with
[1:51:13] the school board to not only grant them access easement to the schools which is a problem
[1:51:17] currently.
[1:51:18] But they're also working to provide sewer directly to those schools.
[1:51:24] So gold and bear, we definitely don't want to see industrial all the way down.
[1:51:29] We don't want to see a part of the complex is all the way down.
[1:51:32] There is a good plan that we are currently working on as a staff with the developer for
[1:51:38] that property that will provide the gold and ticket that the city is looking for.
[1:51:45] As far as central pipe goes, I understand that's a lot of your other job, say responsibilities,
[1:51:54] and you may not want to see apartments in that area and maybe the residents over there don't
[1:52:00] want either. But there is a different conversation to be had regarding the proximity to an interstate
[1:52:07] interchange. And if we are going to have apartment complexes or multi-family, I prefer to use the
[1:52:14] multiple family. In that area that there is an argument depending on who you are, it asks the place that you want to see that at.
[1:52:25] Like, the bigger concern with Central Pikes is where all those kids go to school.
[1:52:30] And I don't know that Wilson County has any land over that way. Like, they do off-go and there.
[1:52:34] You know, that is a perfect question for a county commissioner to answer.
[1:52:41] And that's kind of, that's right, the Central Pike interchange, you know, I could see
[1:52:45] the density, the stain, north, or staying south of 40, and whatnot, but then the Central
[1:52:55] Pike moves up through there, and we get into some of our traditional properties, some
[1:53:01] older age properties and larger lots,
[1:53:08] you know, I wouldn't have imagined that you're going
[1:53:10] to go down 40 out of Nashville and say, imagine you look next three exits. I never
[1:53:15] my lifetime I would have ever imagined that one. And I sure don't want somebody's impression
[1:53:20] as they make their first trip to Michigan coming out of Nashville coming out of Nashville
[1:53:25] International Airport. And see, imagine you look next three exits. And their first impression
[1:53:30] amount of joy that is apartment central because that elevation particularly on the north side
[1:53:35] will look up on the upper the the interstate and and and but that's his longevity and
[1:53:43] somewhere I understand we need the density and we need those things out there.
[1:53:49] There's one thing's by you know you never get a second chance to make a first impression
[1:53:54] and in the first impression for everybody new coming into Mount Jyllis and exploring the flow
[1:53:59] where they fly here from Timbuck to or wherever and they fly in the Nashville, their first
[1:54:05] impression would be exactly that. Is that the first impression that we want to give to
[1:54:13] them out there becomes a magic question? It maybe is, I mean, that is a B.O.C. Altman answer,
[1:54:19] and it's not this body's answer to it. This body chose to do that because there's an identified
[1:54:26] problem out there. And there's not a clear vision. We're letting others create the vision
[1:54:31] force instead of ourselves. And we've been in a defensive position through a lot of growth.
[1:54:39] We've learned a lot. This provenance came here. We learned a ton as we develop paddocks.
[1:54:46] And then we would have thought that we could build our own road and create golden bear for
[1:54:51] that is and back with road for what it is, something other than known for Tracy Lawrence.
[1:55:00] So there are many years ago, or air and tipping, living over in the city, kind of a deal.
[1:55:08] And I'd just like to see it be your gateway as to Wilson County and to Mount Gillet.
[1:55:16] We're going to send the standard for everybody coming out of Nashville.
[1:55:21] And as you look at the land you spy on currently, I don't know that that's the vision
[1:55:29] that we need to create. And so maybe that is the solution that's not necessarily a committee
[1:55:35] then making that recommendation but to open it up. I don't know how you guys are financially
[1:55:42] to build a support. The financial commitment that comes with opening up the land use plan.
[1:55:48] I think last time as many years ago, my understanding is we spent around 100 grand
[1:55:54] to discover the land use plan because it was professionally done and we opened it up.
[1:55:59] Those are professionally done and we hire outside engineers.
[1:56:03] We hire what is the MTAAC task that comes in here.
[1:56:07] There's a large financial commitment from the city that's going to come along with that and if that's what we're talking about in 2.38.
[1:56:15] That's where the city wants to go and did that expenditure.
[1:56:18] I mean, and that's the recommendation back for us, do we have the money to do that?
[1:56:25] Well, that's apparently a $238,000 question.
[1:56:29] But I think you referenced a $100,000 inflation is going to change that number.
[1:56:34] It may not be $238, but there's going to be an inflationary number associated with that.
[1:56:40] And those of you that paid attention to our most recent budget,
[1:56:42] understand that there's some shortfall of the different places that we're trying to overcome.
[1:56:47] then there's several things that, you know, you may see on the referendum coming up here in November
[1:56:53] 3rd that we were supposed to report your vote on, but we would also like to see happen, but
[1:56:59] I can't speak to our budgetary issues. Those are BLC issues, but I will say that
[1:57:06] no different thing go to bear and the things that how we started this conversation talking about
[1:57:12] and the six regulations up to meet substantial compliance and the staff work that is being done
[1:57:18] behind the scenes to negotiate with Golden Bear versus that couldn't could have very easily by
[1:57:25] right came in and just do warehouse at the warehouse. I see the central pipe interchange is being
[1:57:33] no different than that that you're going to this board and the regulations that John is talking about
[1:57:39] and the staff trying to negotiate the best product going forward,
[1:57:44] is it likely or realistic to think we're not going
[1:57:47] to have any apartment complexes or any multi-family
[1:57:50] in that interchange area?
[1:57:52] It's probably not realistic to think
[1:57:53] if there's not going to be any.
[1:57:55] Matter of fact, there's already some
[1:57:56] and I believe in Providence Central that are already
[1:57:59] zone and proof for them, right?
[1:58:01] So that's going to happen.
[1:58:03] But what we can do is try to continue as this board does
[1:58:08] to, and talk to the developers that come to your podium to negotiate the best product
[1:58:13] forward that your staff can negotiate the best product forward.
[1:58:17] We put teeth into things that narrow the gap between what you were given and what sucks,
[1:58:23] you know, ultimately ended up being the product.
[1:58:27] I think that is probably our best path forward without going $238,000 at a product that we don't have.
[1:58:36] And quite honestly, may end up with the same result at the end of it.
[1:58:43] Who don't rub it in?
[1:58:44] I'm just saying.
[1:58:46] Because it is finally the VOC's decision of what happened, right?
[1:58:50] One of the things that I think we run the risk at Central Pike right now.
[1:58:55] But if anybody wants to be honest, if apartments, the whole idea of Central Pike was to flush out the traffic from the south side of the city,
[1:59:03] where it doesn't have to come and cross, you know, retail shopping center traffic.
[1:59:09] We just mix it all together there to get on the interstate.
[1:59:11] So the idea is it's just going to be like a great big vacuum.
[1:59:14] Take all that away.
[1:59:15] Take half the traffic off of Mt. Stewart Road.
[1:59:18] Let's hope, especially in the morning and evening.
[1:59:20] Well, if you go and clog that up with apartments, no one's going to take it.
[1:59:24] They're going to still go up to Mt. Stewart Road and get on if it's easier to get on there.
[1:59:29] I mean, that's just the reality of driving a car, right?
[1:59:31] And I can give you plenty of examples in Metro Nashville where that's happened, even right
[1:59:36] on down Central Park, trying to get right before you get to the hospital down there where
[1:59:40] they put apartments, just swallowed up Central Park, try to go through there at 8 o'clock
[1:59:45] in the morning.
[1:59:46] If we do that to Central Park, it's not going to help us defer any traffic from the interchange,
[1:59:53] which was a whole idea of having the interchange.
[1:59:55] And so I guess my real concern here.
[2:00:00] There's that. It's easy to happen. And it clogs up quickly. I mean, you have 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, you can get
[2:00:09] 1200 units of the department. It's really easy. Real fast down there. They're all going to get on the
[2:00:13] interstate at the same time. And pretty soon people say, well, I'll just go back to Mount Jui Road. There's
[2:00:19] and then pretty soon we've just got two interchanges that are problem. And I guess that's my biggest
[2:00:26] and I was hoping that maybe a land use plan, a amendment, or something might steer us away from that.
[2:00:37] Please, Commissioner Jobs?
[2:00:39] Well, we obviously do not have the money right now in the budget to do this, but we could probably end the future.
[2:00:47] And I can only speak for me, but I think the rest of the commission will probably say,
[2:00:53] that staff work on this, and what you were talking about before
[2:00:56] to try to get some teeth and this stuff to try to help some of this.
[2:01:01] I think it's exciting once one happens on a golden bear, and I think
[2:01:05] there's one that adds a lot of things that we wanted in the city, and
[2:01:09] we'll see that develop there.
[2:01:11] As far as apartments are concerned, I also understand where when you have so many
[2:01:16] apartments together, it can cause these type of troubles.
[2:01:19] But we, you know, there's other places that we don't have apartments that would probably be
[2:01:25] good places to have other apartments.
[2:01:27] So I meet with the development next week, actually, too.
[2:01:33] But one of them probably will have a multi-family element in this development.
[2:01:41] And it's definitely not going to be on central part, but it's also going to create an area where
[2:01:48] that we don't have very much multi-family and people could
[2:01:53] and ingress any graces is good in this area.
[2:01:57] I think, and it will improve it.
[2:02:00] So, you know, there are some places and pockets
[2:02:03] and just think about where we're sitting right now.
[2:02:05] Think about what all this is going to be.
[2:02:09] So, that's what this is going to be.
[2:02:11] Yeah, I'm coming soon.
[2:02:14] I think it's coming soon.
[2:02:17] But with that, the city and the vision was to have a walkable downtown.
[2:02:23] A thriving downtown, you can't have a thriving downtown unless you have a lot of family to support it.
[2:02:30] I said on that board, and I voted against those right down here, and if I had my time to dig over, I would have voted for that.
[2:02:37] You know, I tell you when I feel like I've done wrong, and I mean, not make the best decision.
[2:02:43] You know, and where else are you going to put it then down here if you want to thrive in downtown?
[2:02:48] That's going to come with the decreased speed limit out here.
[2:02:51] It's going to come with crowdswerp, lots, it's going to come with lines.
[2:02:57] So, you know, there's areas, and you're not talked about this, there's areas, and it comes with that infrastructure improvement.
[2:03:07] So, I think what the staff's trying to do is just say, give them a chance to do this right now.
[2:03:12] keep this on the back burner as far as the land use plan and let's see how this goes and
[2:03:19] then we can look at it. And hopefully with everything going on, there's a lot going on right now
[2:03:23] the city for us as the Board of Commissioners. We've got this that you alluded to that's coming
[2:03:28] up as a referendum. We've got this back here and the C.V. going on this and there's a lot.
[2:03:35] So,
[2:03:40] there are one of the things that come in the mind that kind of we don't think that things will happen out there.
[2:03:50] One of them, and you look at it today, like, man, why didn't we make this thing happen?
[2:03:54] The connection right there at Nalvalentir Bank used to be as an inbank.
[2:04:00] As I was mostly till the angle by that property, it will be a bone yard or scrap yard and also an opportunity to put apartments right there at that location.
[2:04:12] And it is a bone in a scrap yard.
[2:04:17] We had a good traffic design.
[2:04:18] We had a good road design to come through there.
[2:04:21] We lost an opportunity.
[2:04:23] We had a Mr. Franklin out where we agree on this tonight.
[2:04:27] We disagreed on a property at Beckworth Road in Belinda City.
[2:04:33] Mr. Freyclist said, there is no way they are going to build any buildings or warehouses on that right there in that road coming over there from Beckworth.
[2:04:41] They are like, give it a try. We had a great apartment, a deal in town home, kind of a mixed use plan that we looked at on that.
[2:04:48] We turned it down and we got warehouses sitting over there right now on major road frontage
[2:04:53] for us.
[2:04:54] Because we didn't think it would happen.
[2:04:55] We turned down another multifamily development at the back.
[2:05:05] We're going to open up this to central pipe when this Commissioner Franklin said that the whole purpose of central pipe interchange is to help us to relieve some traffic of these hot points. And then that's where we're not going to make any paint getting off into moves to change that. Just doesn't make any sense.
[2:05:30] It just doesn't make any sense. I just don't know how that one does to be honest with you
[2:05:35] Because if you if as as any railway goes if you call it at its entry point it's angry as an egress
[2:05:41] Everything else backs up accordingly and and if we leave it the way it is
[2:05:46] Things will be driven dictated the same way they were for us
[2:05:50] We will not get into control of it. It's gonna be controlled by the people that come in here
[2:05:55] And I think that we have a unique opportunity to make a statement put our foot down
[2:06:00] for one time understand money's time. I mean, money's time for everybody. But if you do it
[2:06:07] right, everything else good evolves. And if you do it wrong, it's a mark on the city and
[2:06:15] everything else that follows will not be what we want. And I think it's a big line in the
[2:06:20] same. I think that the longer you wait, the more the power acquires the properties out there.
[2:06:27] I think that that if it's a year from now because it's budget season is what June may June.
[2:06:34] So you're a year from now if we get into that land you explain and we hadn't done anything.
[2:06:39] That thing has got to be on people's radar up there and acquiring gathering properties right now in order to do that.
[2:06:46] And if they hear that we have any desire to make any changes up there they're going to come quick.
[2:06:52] And they're going to make it happen and we're going to sit here and with with no, as we already know right now, we have no grounds if they meet our regulations to turn any of them back.
[2:07:05] And we're going to be, you know, another good dad saying, if you always do, you always did, you always get what you always got.
[2:07:12] that's kind of what we're going to post yourself for instead of taking an offense of
[2:07:19] position, say let's wait, let's see what happens. Let's give it a year. 53 years old years,
[2:07:26] seen my days right now, unfortunately,
[2:07:33] but at a respect for the position and everything, you know,
[2:07:36] we'll move to the side if that's the will of the city for us not to form a subcommittee and look
[2:07:41] those areas. I think it's disrespectful to do anything other than that. If that's the
[2:07:46] well of the Board of Commissioners and the city as well for us not to take that on and do it.
[2:07:51] I think that would be foolish to ignore that. But I'll go on record to say, I think that it's
[2:07:57] it's a mistake out to take an offensive position towards it because I think we're going to run
[2:08:02] that a time when we're going to find ourselves in an awkward position. Because too many times I've seen
[2:08:07] ain't never going to happen, and it's happened, I think this will happen too, unfortunately.
[2:08:14] First, if I might tell them, dealing with the land use, you might make it to come in
[2:08:21] about all the land use, any of those that we pass.
[2:08:26] Many times the people come in here, and we give a positive recommendation, and any time
[2:08:31] is negative. So I out of to not have any word we're negative. I know a one that I wanted to be
[2:08:37] positive. So how many of those were positive? So where is it stopped? We talk about that change,
[2:08:43] but we have the power to say no, it's negative. Okay. A negative mechanization. So we have to look at
[2:08:49] ourselves too, now, agree. So, please, I look at the city 11 as a cautionary tale.
[2:09:03] We've got what's maybe 7,000 units approved over the last few years that are in process.
[2:09:10] And, you know, in the city of Mount Julia,
[2:09:13] 11th, 11th, 11th, it's got 14,000 give or take
[2:09:18] with no sewer capability, roads are clogged already.
[2:09:24] So, we've done a good job thus far
[2:09:27] of having our zoning and codes being tighter
[2:09:31] and has led to what I would consider
[2:09:33] somewhat more responsible growth.
[2:09:35] But if we don't continue to maintain and maybe even increase the strength of our zoning
[2:09:45] encodes, we could run into some serious problems.
[2:09:48] And that's exactly what they're saying.
[2:09:50] They've got to want to do it.
[2:09:50] Fix that.
[2:09:53] Yeah.
[2:09:53] I'll make up.
[2:09:55] Commissioner.
[2:09:56] But the theme of the day is... Commissioner Jaws is...
[2:10:00] Exactly right, it boils down to staff can bring whatever you want. We can't keep somebody from coming to that podium.
[2:10:08] Every meeting we have, we're questioning most of our family. But it boils down to this body and the body above us, whether they allow those things, whether you allow the land use changes, or whether you allow those things to occur.
[2:10:21] I mean, we can do our due diligence and you can do your due diligence, but we're not
[2:10:28] going to stop them from coming from to that podium and it's just a matter of what we
[2:10:32] do when that happens.
[2:10:34] Yeah, I agree.
[2:10:35] If I get a lot of feedback from people, you know, you just do this or you just prove that
[2:10:39] for this, this, this, this, you know, you got the property owner's advice and we try to make
[2:10:45] consideration towards that. What would be, so I heard two things. Let's cover first one first.
[2:10:55] So what John said there. So staff is looking at a potential regulation change right now.
[2:11:05] And the regulation change would be kind of focused towards the multi-use category.
[2:11:10] and particularly, or is it towards a multi-use category or is this towards going to cover
[2:11:17] everything really transitioning from PMDP, FMDP, everything, because it's kind of, you know,
[2:11:25] I'm in there 22 years now somehow and it doesn't feel like that other than this last 12 months
[2:11:32] that I've ever encountered this scenario where things don't look like what we have heard.
[2:11:39] Okay.
[2:11:41] I think it should.
[2:11:44] That the mobile family has to be upon so.
[2:11:47] That was fun.
[2:11:49] Yeah.
[2:11:49] And put better teeth into what transition from PMDP to FMDP.
[2:11:57] Would it include language kind of particularly towards this multi-use.
[2:12:04] And I, the commercial because as we've stated here,
[2:12:08] We feel like the commercial is the, the worm on the big of a, on the back of a big hook and that the commercial may or may not or as I feel like to that plan tonight. Unfortunately, I was in a position where I had to recommend it for approval, but they could their commercial look like they just threw it up there and really who cares.
[2:12:33] If there's a way to do that, you know, about board legally, I think if there's a amendment,
[2:12:40] I can be done that holds the water, I think you can investigate that.
[2:12:48] Can we require, Sam, the commercial, to be phase one, of all, of every one of them?
[2:12:56] So I have talked about that with staff and generally we just see that come through the pod process
[2:13:02] So ends up being a condition in the pod based on what that pod has and what the needs of it are since all different
[2:13:10] You could add it to the code, but it seems to work just having it as part of the pod
[2:13:16] But they do have to submit a phasing plan
[2:13:20] And in more school days, they didn't plan to make a commercial
[2:13:23] business plan. But they could correct me if I'm wrong, like the one that we've proved tonight.
[2:13:30] They could come in and just do the residential. Could they not? There is no requirement for them to do that commercial
[2:13:37] abortion. I don't think there was triggers on that one, but since that time, it has, I feel like these
[2:13:49] I wouldn't do it. I mean, finding good tenants right now are pretty challenging thing in that
[2:13:54] world. But finding people to buy apartment complex is pretty easy in this world right now.
[2:14:02] And so can we put, you know, just a requirement commercial must be completed in phase one of these
[2:14:09] multi. And I think that that potentially solves a lot of problems. If you and you don't need
[2:14:15] had to put triggers on CEOs. He just said, hey, commercial has to be
[2:14:21] done in your first place.
[2:14:22] Not be thinking about. And that is when they come in and build the
[2:14:26] residential side and then sell it. And then you got somebody else in
[2:14:29] here stuck with a pud that they didn't get approved, but they own it now.
[2:14:34] They're committed to build something they never even really wanted to
[2:14:37] build. Happens all the time. And that's probably your biggest
[2:14:41] headache. Now, where's that? Or just say it, just say I just want to build
[2:14:44] something. I'd rather you do that. You know, then come in with one side. I mean, I would have
[2:14:56] other given that complex tonight, a very
[2:15:00] I think the parking in the roadways just lacked thought and creativity and proper design.
[2:15:08] I don't even do it for live. It was a worse.
[2:15:13] That was awful.
[2:15:17] Do we have place to put them in?
[2:15:19] So don't, don't, don't we normally could detrais
[2:15:21] on the, uh, preliminary master development,
[2:15:24] cleaning field? We've had recent.
[2:15:26] Yeah, and that's a kind of thing.
[2:15:27] And that's a kind of thing that the B.O.C.
[2:15:30] Right.
[2:15:31] So that's where we do that most of the time.
[2:15:33] So the school in Puttersmore is the commercial.
[2:15:35] A lot of your apartments are coming in where that commercial is
[2:15:38] underneath it, like down here at, um,
[2:15:41] And I wouldn't hear when it was approved that it was approved, but it's a very
[2:15:47] great example.
[2:15:48] But Farland is what I'm thinking about.
[2:15:51] So, you know, in that situation, of course, the apartments obviously support whatever that commercial is down there.
[2:16:01] But there could be that could be brother to that.
[2:16:05] And that's the thing that I think it's that.
[2:16:08] And I was saying McFarlane is one, I know they'll be a bit more familiar commercial
[2:16:13] a thrive or mayor, so my issue with that one was that part of it's just didn't look
[2:16:22] complementary.
[2:16:24] Well, that development is going to be off.
[2:16:28] It's going to be off.
[2:16:29] They're going to have the outside of the arena thing down there, whatever you call it, and
[2:16:34] it's one of them.
[2:16:36] But then you type this one that we had to prove tonight, I mean, you're got some guts if you develop that commercial portion.
[2:16:45] And, and quite frankly, I mean, so we really don't have any thing that would require them to build the commercial portion of that.
[2:16:51] What's it called?
[2:16:52] What's it called?
[2:16:54] Six years ago.
[2:16:55] Go back to the part of 2014.
[2:16:59] It's been changed over the years.
[2:17:01] It's been changed over the years.
[2:17:02] But it was a generation you have now started in 2023.
[2:17:10] Yeah.
[2:17:10] So the traders should have been a put on then.
[2:17:13] Right when it comes when it came in.
[2:17:15] And that's what I'm saying is I don't want to be something that we have to bring in memory to say,
[2:17:20] Hey, I'm just making sure we put it on.
[2:17:23] This is put it in the rags and throw it out there and say that you have to do the commercial deal.
[2:17:27] You can have that on.
[2:17:29] and they need to have save money.
[2:17:31] You could be, for example, triggers.
[2:17:33] It could be, and then it would be addressed.
[2:17:35] Every time we see it, it'll solve another problem too.
[2:17:40] You'll solve another problem.
[2:17:42] The commercial being first, you won't be an afterthought.
[2:17:44] It won't be just something thrown together to get to,
[2:17:48] you know, to be in compliance.
[2:17:49] They have to build a first.
[2:17:51] They'll be more likely to make it successful.
[2:17:55] But I think the damage rate that won't lead.
[2:17:57] Yep, absolutely.
[2:17:57] We're going to have the same address to like each development's going to have a different component to it.
[2:18:02] Commissioner Jowes talks specifically about the, uh, some of the plans are going to make farland where it's commercial on the first level.
[2:18:10] And then there's multi-family or additional above it.
[2:18:14] So it would be hard to say to all the commercials got to be built first because
[2:18:19] floors two, three, and four are going to be multi-family or residential of some type.
[2:18:26] So staying at the right way with each development versus having a blanket for everything might be a bit tricky.
[2:18:36] But that's why we need the triggers on there, and then we would address it.
[2:18:40] It's a different.
[2:18:40] It really goes different.
[2:18:41] It gives us a bit of a great variance.
[2:18:43] But what Commissioner Franklin saying though, if you think about this, they would make sure they had some tenants,
[2:18:49] which would also take the burden off of our staff at the city,
[2:18:52] go out to try to find something coming in. That would be part of it. And it would, you know,
[2:18:59] and that may alleviate some coming in. It would reduce some coming in. But we would have this.
[2:19:06] And so that's why I'm saying it. I think that if we just let them work on this and bring it back.
[2:19:13] Oh, just gonna say, Commissioner Drows, your idea was good about having it as part of the staff report.
[2:19:17] So it's always in there. So you don't forget about it. So it gets addressed every time.
[2:19:24] So that is what would be coming. So that's item one. That's something that staff is going to work on and bring back forward to us and that would end up being a recommendation item back to the BOC.
[2:19:36] For a zoning regulation amendment.
[2:19:38] Okay.
[2:19:40] So is it the desire of the city for us not to form a subcommittee and not look at the land use plan?
[2:19:55] I would say I can't speak for the BLC, but I'm based on the conversations I have.
[2:20:00] Had with a few of them, not all of them, but a few of them. I think it's not saying not to do it, but let's do this first and then go from that.
[2:20:14] So we brought that before the planning. We voted on that from the planning standpoint as a discussion item to this bottom.
[2:20:24] So I'll turn it back over and say, what would the will of its body be to further that for 60 days, is that acceptable? 90 days?
[2:20:35] What are more than that? 90 days? Just looking at the land here.
[2:20:40] Yeah. Big that don't give you a time to allow you guys to come to us.
[2:20:44] How much I can have there in that?
[2:20:56] Do you want to defer the committee 60 days and just decide then based on their feedback?
[2:21:03] You may want to just dissolve, I mean, it'd be. I mean, I don't know. But I mean, if we want to just
[2:21:09] defer 60 days and wait and wait for set, I'd be the will of the body.
[2:21:17] You know, objection to that.
[2:21:22] Yeah, I don't want necessarily not here to stir any pots, but
[2:21:25] Chairman, did you already said a meeting or something? What are we deferring? We have not, we, uh, we agreed
[2:21:32] at the last meeting to form a subcommittee to explore the way and you supply it.
[2:21:35] And you already formed there, right?
[2:21:37] Um, just needs two more members appointed to.
[2:21:40] I don't know that you have to defer anything.
[2:21:42] Okay.
[2:21:43] We're just saying that we're not going to take any meetings or further action.
[2:21:47] It's kind of an held up.
[2:21:48] I had some personal family issues come up over the last three weeks.
[2:21:53] Very unexpectedly and running point on that.
[2:21:57] Family had to take priority in this circumstance and situation.
[2:22:00] very, very important. And if I may say didn't, didn't, y'all and I went here but didn't use
[2:22:09] sprouts as an example. I mean, you know, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't.
[2:22:16] Did they have two apartment buildings that they're building? Yeah, they didn't come here.
[2:22:20] There's some large, they're working on the commercial. They didn't come here.
[2:22:22] The commercial workers look at all of that that's come out.
[2:22:25] So I mean, there are good examples and yes, yeah, and I think that I mean, you know,
[2:22:34] mentioned that on land you spend, I'm not against the partners either, because we do need
[2:22:38] to do the same, we need the housing options and provide it here and I agree.
[2:22:42] Commissioner Jiles said that we there's, you know, I wasn't necessarily in favor of the one
[2:22:47] up on Donovan Road when it came in, but for years to work, it's we're getting the traffic out of there,
[2:22:53] We put some road improvements on Mountville,
[2:22:55] but there's times where it's a question,
[2:22:59] but it's not what I assumed or thought it was gonna be.
[2:23:03] I really wish we would have done the one on Westward
[2:23:05] Wilson, you'd tell these property up there.
[2:23:10] But, you know, and as you guys said,
[2:23:13] we got the grant now for Leavenham Road.
[2:23:18] And so expectation for Leavener Road,
[2:23:20] I think that once that is there and finished that Leavener Road could change there.
[2:23:28] Come here, Leavener Road.
[2:23:29] Yep, so if it's the the will of this body, then we'll postpone having conducting any meetings
[2:23:37] we're carrying forward in these things further with that for 60 days.
[2:23:42] We'll revisit it again that September of October are off over meeting and take off from that.
[2:23:48] looking forward to. Good discussion. I may know the individual comment right there. You don't gather
[2:23:55] this many people and you don't gather this many people and ultimately a lot of times
[2:24:03] agreed to disagree sometimes but ultimately have one goal and insight and that's the goal for
[2:24:11] the betterment of the community which we all live and I think it's impressive. I don't know if you guys
[2:24:17] that I recognize at all this time, but it is very impressive to see the way that, particularly,
[2:24:26] this body works together, our staff, my hats off to all of you, you know, you get your hands
[2:24:32] for us.
[2:24:34] And if I see all for me and the elected officials over here to my left, no desire to ever be
[2:24:39] in y'all's roles.
[2:24:41] So, great, great point to be a part of something like this, and regardless of what you
[2:24:47] see sometimes out there and news or times as they are, it's good for them to be a part
[2:24:54] of some positive.
[2:24:55] So I just want to throw that in and enjoy the heck of a job and gratitude.
[2:25:00] We just respect this there for multiple levels, multiple lights. Thank you all. That being said, I need a motion to adjourn.
[2:25:08] Yeah, I got ten motions.
[2:25:12] Whoever said seconds seconds, all those of fires I have, I guess, abstinctions, we are here.