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Come with me.
There was an old lady that lived in a

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shoe.
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Are you checking online now?
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who had so many children she didn't know
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Um I can't remember another I gota
remember another nursery.

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Three blind mice. Three blind mice. See
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I have no idea what mic does that.
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» Okay. But I mean, you'll probably hear
it here. The question is is if you have

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it off, does do you hear it on the
streaming?

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If it's if you have it turned off in the
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Teresa,

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you
>> Teresa?

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» Okay, we'll get started. It's five or
Yep. five o'clock. Uh, so the August

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meeting of the planning commission will
uh will start. I don't think we need a

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roll call. We do have a quorum. Miss
Lines, um, approval of the agenda. Do we

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have a motion to approve the agenda as
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» I'll move to approve. Okay, Mr. Smi and
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» and Pam seconded. All those in favor say
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» I.
>> Any opposed?

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» Motion passes. Great. And approval of
the minutes from the July meeting. Any

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recommendations for edits or changes?
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» Was that Mr. Davis?
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» Yep. Seconded by Mr. Smite. All those in
favor of approving the minutes from last

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month say I. I.
>> Any opposed?

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Motion carries.
Mr. Stone, Planning Commission

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recommendations update.

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» Good afternoon, planning commission. Mr.
Chair, thank you. We have August

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recommendations from town council uh
that planning commission has hoarded on

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the first reading for town center. The
PD amendment was denied and that will

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terminate that application. um they will
have to request a one-year waiver or

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come back in the future to um have any
other future plans reviewed. The rest of

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these are final readings. The uh final
reading on 1724 Lanon, the annexation

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and zoning of area wide business that
was approved. We had the final reading

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of a 66 acre parcel on Highway 17 uh
zoned AB to remain in the Sweetgrass

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Basket Overlay District. that was
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Then we had the
uh 2965 North Highway 17 that was

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annexed in zone CC. Uh that was
approved. Final reading um I'm excited

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to announce final reading on the 5-year
update for the comprehensive plan. Uh

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that was approved.
And final reading for the highway 17 uh

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aggregation of nearly 12 acres of five
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So that's all the staff has. Glad to
answer any questions you might have.

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» Thanks Mr. Stone. Any questions um for
staff about the uh town council's

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reviews?
Okay. If not, we will move ahead. I

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assume that all the correspondence was
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» That's correct.
>> Great. Thank you for that. Uh now's the

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time for general public comment. So we
have three public hearings on um our

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agenda tonight. So if you care to speak
about a specific uh uh item on on the

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agenda, um you're welcome to do that, of
course, and we we'd ask that you

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probably reserve your comments until
then. But if there is there anything of

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of g of a general nature you care to
bring before the commission, now would

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be a time to do that.

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Seeing none, we will close the general
public comment period and move to um our

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order of business 7A public hearing for
street name approval.

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» Good evening, chairman and uh planning
commission members. Um, thank you,

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Peter. So, um, I have the honor to
present this request tonight to rename a

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street in Rivertown after our very dear
friend, Bruce Cutting. As you all know,

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Bruce lost a two-year battle with
pancreatic cancer in June. And although

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he lost his life, this illness did not
beat him or ever get the best of him. He

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was eternally optimistic. As retired
Army Lieutenant Colonel, the core values

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are loyalty, duty, respect, selfless
service, honor, integrity, and personal

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courage. How Bruce lived exemplified
these values. From a 20-year service to

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our country to serving his town, his
community, his church, his neighborhood,

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and serving alongside all of us and all
the other things he did that we never

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knew about.
Bruce always and absolutely lived it

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with a big grin on his face
and a thumbs up all the time and usually

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with a witty self-deprecating
joke that went along with it. His very

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last sit rap, which is army lingo for
situation report, uh came on May 9th,

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and as usual, he was funny and positive
and full of hope. and he ended his email

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with a sentence that said, "There's not
a fear in me." And I don't doubt it one

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bit because he was outspoken in his
faith and he was confident in where he

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was going to spend eternity. So with
that, we recommend approval with this

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street being renamed. And to Bruce, I
would say well done, good and faithful

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servant. And I know that he has his
bride and some family and friends here

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that would like to speak for the public
hearing. So with that I'll

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» right Michelle thank so very well
articulated thank you is a public

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hearing so we we'd welcome comment from
um from the public

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» I don't know how anyone

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» you can go you can go to the the mic
yeah that's okay

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» and if you would uh for the public
record if you'd state your name and

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address please ma'am
>> so sorry I'm Jennifer Lavoy I'm one of

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the residents of Rivertown Parkway and
Bradley Lane Um, we live next to Bruce

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and his beautiful wife, Arlene.

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So, we want to first thank you guys and
thank you Peter as well for your help

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with this um for your consideration in
changing the street name in honor of our

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friend and neighbor Bruce Cutting. He
was just an amazing human. Um, he was a

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cherished member of our community. He
was the neighbor everyone wishes they

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could have. Um, the first to welcome
each of us to the neighborhood. the one

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we called on with questions about
happenings throughout the community.

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The one who seemed to know just about
everything about just about everything.

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He demonstrated unwavering dedication to
the betterment of our neighborhood,

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contributing to um by serving on our HOA
board as a volunteer coordinator, to our

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neighborhood swim team, serving on
boards and commissions and local

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municipalities. Bruce greeted thousands
of people coming and going in and out of

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Charleston at the cruise ship terminal
um where he served as guest services

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agent um on the Carnival Sunshine.
Bruce's desk for life was truly

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unmatched. Um he would get such a kick
out of watching us go through this

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process with the county and the
municipalities.

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We can't wait to see how many different
ways GPS can pronounce Ketty.

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Naming the street after Bruce will serve
as a lasting tribute to his legacy and

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provide a constant reminder of the
values of service, compassion,

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friendship, and community that he so
strongly embodied. Um, he was amazing

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and there was no one more worthy of
being honored.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Yes, sir.
And if you would, sir, just state your

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name and address for the record. My name
is Brian Oliver, 2845 Rivertown Parkway,

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right on the corner of Bradley Lane,
soon to be renamed one of our best

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friends ever.
Back in June,

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uh, all of us here up and down this
street in the community lost a big big

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man.
It's the best way I could describe him.

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Rebulls,
bad jokes, good friends. He was the

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first one to welcome us 10 years ago
onto that street when we moved in. He

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was the f he was the first to welcome
everyone else that I knew that was

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there. Amazing friend. Uh he set an
example in so many ways on so many

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dimensions to all of us, kids, young
people, older adults going through

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things. He was a brilliant to the very
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that was probably what I could say was
even to that time the last times that we

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visited him is um I never saw somebody
that I would love to put to point an

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example a way of life a way to live all
the way to the very end of his life it

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was there um there will not be any time
that we walk down this street or see

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this or go to the community that uh and
and people throughout the the devel

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element that know him will not be
remembering him, talking about him,

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telling stories. There's probably not
one tourist that got off the Carnival

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Cruise Line of the thousands over the
last five or seven years that got off of

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that ship or got on them. They won't
remember Bruce Kenny in one way or

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another. He'll be a part of their life
and a part of the stories they'll tell

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about Charleston. Bigger than that,
we wish him well and we'll be thinking

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of him for always.
>> Thank you, sir.

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wonderful tributes. Is there anyone else
who would like to speak?

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Okay, we will close the public hearing.
So, those of you that had the privilege

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of uh of of working on this commission
or otherwise with with Bruce, he he was

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everything that has already been said
and more. This could be the simplest

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decision that um this commission has
ever made.

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So with that discussion,
>> so for a moment I'm going to pretend

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this is The Voice, the television show,
The Voice.

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» That's the golden buzzer.

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» Okay. Is there a motion?
>> I think that was a motion, but I'll

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second it.
>> That's great. All those in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Any opposed? Great. Thank you. Thank

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you.
Okay, we'll push forward to agenda item

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7B, public hearing for Ving Road.

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» Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's going to be
tough to follow.

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» Yes, it will.
All right. Um, so this is a request to

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reszone two parcels on Vining Road to
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You can see here from the aerial
context, this is nearly one acre. Uh

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right now it serves as a contractor's
office and a gravel parking lot uh on

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the corners of Hall's Pond and Lannon
Lane. The parcel that we uh just had

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final reading on to reszone to AB is is
right here.

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» The uh parcel is currently AB.
And between 2003 and 2009,

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uh there were 13 properties within this
pocket that were reszoned to AB um

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commercial. And this request involves
the applicant um posing a reszoning to

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AB2.
So taking this request

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and referencing the future land use
which is community scale commercial AB2

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is within the range of applicable zoning
districts for community scale

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commercial. However, uh while that is
one factor, I do want to bring to your

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um reference here what the code has and
it's it's not the only factor. Uh when

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we look at the comp plan being and the
future land use, it's it's more

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multi-perspective than that. the the
code gives review criteria for uh

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resonings and you have to ask the
question and these are guiding questions

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as you look at resonings but you would
ask um have there been any changes that

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would necessitate um and any changes to
the conditions or the circumstances in

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this property that would ne necessitate
this resoning uh would the uses allowed

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um you know from this resoning be
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uh is this a best uh management practice
within planning and zoning for this

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reasonzoning to occur and and finally um
is this consistent with the whole of the

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comprehensive plan not just the future
land use map. So, in attempting to

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answer those questions and respond to
this request, um I do have additional

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information that I can go into uh to
kind of help guide that request, but um

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otherwise uh the applicant is here, but
glad to dive into any other subjects you

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would like. In the bottom lefthand
corner, I've got some uh topics that if

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you had any questions on, I'd be glad to
answer. I mean to make the best informed

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decision possible, Mr. Stone, I think
I'd like to see it. Is there agreement?

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Other members of the commission? Okay.
Yeah, if you would go ahead and share

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that with us.
>> So, I'll start off with just a bit of

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historical context. Um,
let's see here.

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All right. So, both of these properties
were annexed and zoned AB in 2009 into

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the town. In 2018, the property owner
requested AB2 zoning just like they're

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doing now. Um, and this request was
denied uh citing inconsistency with the

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comp comprehensive plan at that time
which designated the area as community

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conservation. You can see everything
here in yellow was community

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conservation. So that that was denied at
that time uh just with a lack of

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consistency with comprehensive plan. The
nature of this request is based on

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uh the property is currently AB and our
code enforcement officers uh have

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noticed that there is outdoor storage of
boats and uh parking of construction

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vehicles and that would require AB2 uh
and with a special exception from the

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board of zoning appeals. So that would
be followed by a commercial site review

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as well. But that is uh the context of
this request and why it's before you.

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If we wanted to look at the surrounding
context, you can see as I mentioned

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between 2003 and 2009, a lot of this is
been zoned AB. Uh you have some CC in

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here that we've recently reszoned, but
predominantly this is area wide business

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commercial.
And finally the

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um comparison between AB and AB2. You
can see here that uh in the AB column a

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lot of not permitted. Um but you get
over to AB2 and you get into more of a a

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higher level review with conditional
special exception. Gas station would be

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permitted. Warehousing and automotive
repair would be a special exception as

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well. So there are certainly some
differentiations between AB1 and

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stepping up to an AB2 uh zoning
designation. So that's all the staff

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has. Glad to answer any questions you
might have.

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» Peter, if you would return to the
surrounding context u

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overview. Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Mr. Stone, I have one question too. the

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the parcel that's 1110 on that map is a
preschool or some sort of a daycare, I

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think, isn't it?
>> That's correct. It's a daycare.

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» So, there's still quite a number of
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Correct. Am I reading the map properly?
>> That's that's correct. everything

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without a layer on it and just uh that
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lot of the four mile community
>> here and this was a part of the four

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mile community. Um Hunger Neck Boulevard
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» Mhm.
>> And um this uh this kind of has taken on

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different identity since.
>> Okay.

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All right. Um questions for Mr. Stone um
immediately. If not, we'll we'll ask the

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applicant to speak.
if they're here.

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Is the applicant present?

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No.
Okay.

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Um, so any further questions for Mr.
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a motion.
>> U public um I'm sorry public hearing.

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Yeah, I apologize. Is there anyone who
would like to speak on this uh

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particular proposal?

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Okay, seeing none, we'll close the uh
the public hearing.

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» Yeah, thanks for correcting me. Go
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» I move to approve to reszone AB2.
>> Motion's made. Is there a second?

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» Okay. Is there another motion?

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» I move to deny.

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» I'll second.
>> Okay. Motion's made by Mr. Davis,

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seconded by Miss Sanford to deny the
request to reszone. Um, all those in

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favor say I.
>> I.

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» I.
>> I.

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» Opposed.
>> One opposed. Okay. Motion to deny

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carries.
All right. Uh, 7 C, a public hearing for

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1076 and 1096 Beehive Road.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
This is a request for um an aggregate of

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a total of 1.36 acres. Both of these
lots are evenly 0.68.

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Uh the really the origin of this request
came from sewer and water being

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available and this these two properties
are contiguous. So, um they are required

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to request annexation. Of course, you
know, if if it is eventually denied,

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they would still have ability to gain
water and sewer.

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» So, this is the the property. Um, it is
directly across from Tupelo just to kind

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of give you some some surrounding um
context. So, it is important to discuss

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the existing zoning conditions prior to
talking about the the proposed.

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So I want to cover this and
this is currently in the county. It's in

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the 10mi historic district. It is with
it's inside of the urban growth boundary

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and that current moratorum ordinance um
still will apply until July of 26.

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So I I bring this up because we have had
a lot of discussion on this subject, but

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of all of the properties that we've had
these discussions on, this one is pretty

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straightforward because it is within the
urban growth boundary. And in speaking

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with the county,
this was um let's see,

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in speaking with the county, um I I
asked about their their plans for their

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10mi overlay district because I wanted
to make sure that this request would be

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consistent with with that plan. And they
did agree that in the plan, and they're

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holding a public hearing on that um new
overlay plan on September 8th.

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And within that proposed plan, right
now, this this is uh remaining

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commercial, but the staff member let me
know that they want commercial within

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that overlay, but not to this level of
intensity. And I'll break down what I

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mean by that. Um, of course, you know
that the county's S3 is our town

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equivalent of CC, community
conservation. Mhm.

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» Community commercial within the county
is the equivalent of R AB2. So it's it's

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a very intense commercial. It has
intense density and they are not

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interested in carrying on that level of
intensity into this new overlay

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district. So it it was consistent in in
that fact and so it request to zone both

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parcels to community conservation
uh is consistent with the the county's

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plan and it's also consistent with our
future land use comprehensive plan. So

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uh those are the um kind of the salient
points on that. Again, I do have um some

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just kind of supplementary information
that you may want, but um glad to answer

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any questions you may have.
>> Any questions for Mr. Stone up front?

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» No, I'd love to see the supplementary
information, please.

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» Yeah, too.
>> So, this is the 10mi overlay plan that

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is uh currently being proposed and we'll
have a public hearing on September 8th.

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This is the parcel right here in red.
This is our subject parcel and here's

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the parcel um behind it. The plan is to
uh for this to remain commercial and for

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this to remain residential. But you can
see everything in red uh fronting

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highway 17 um would be commercial. This
is all going to remain just kind of an

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urban suburban um residential. And this
is your rural area. The the parcel that

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we talked about earlier that is close to
12 acres.

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Um, and because this is the urban growth
boundary line, uh, the density is

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different than it would be on this side.
Um, they're they're moving toward one

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unit per three acres past this urban
growth b boundary line. And since this

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is inside it, it definitely makes things
a little more simple and in reviewing a

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a reszoning request. the

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let's see. Oh, so this is the uh town
and county um zoning comparison just

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showing what what I mean by community
commercial within the county and the

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level of intensity of uses that it
provides versus the commercial and

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non-re residential uses you would get
from a community conservation because it

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is a um kind of a mistake to think that
CC community conservation is strictly

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residential. it has non-residential and
commercial uses within it that would fit

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in with what the county is currently
proposing.

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» And this is just all the the CC
non-residential uses that could be um

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applicable to the site if it if it is
zoned CC. So that's all the staff has

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right now.
>> Great. Thank you. Any further questions

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for Mr. Stone at the moment? Did I hear
you say correctly that the county is

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still in the public hearing process?
>> Correct.

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» Okay.

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» Also, one question. Um, the CC, the
parcel that's currently commercial in

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the county, if it came in and went to
CC, even though some of those uses would

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be allowed, you know, the sort of less
>> um invasive type of uses, they would be

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free to make it residential. I mean it's
up to the it's up to the developer or

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the owner. So um is this also part of
the moratorum on subdivisions? So that

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even though it's three per acre um if he
put if you count those two parcels

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together it would be six per acre and
maybe seven because there's an extra

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third of an acre and then that would not
be allowed right now. Is that is am I

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following that properly?
>> So I'll I'll take those one at a time.

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Okay.
>> Um, yes, with community conservation,

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that is the nice thing about that.
You're flexible to do residential, but

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you're also flexible to to move forward
with these non-residential and

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commercial uses.
>> The the moratorum would apply here, and

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it would be three units an acre. The
moratorum is for um anything five lots

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or more. The wording of it is four lots
or fewer is a minor subdivision, and

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those are those are exempt. Um but five
or more would be currently in with for

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the next year July of 26 those will be
prohibited.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. Additional questions for Mr.

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Stone.
If not we'll um request the applicant to

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uh present or provide an opportunity to
they present. Yes sir. Please, if you

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would, sir, um, state your name and
address for the record.

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» My name is
My name is Keith Barley.

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» Mhm.
>> And I reside at 103 Theodore Road in

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Owland.
>> Okay.

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» Um, you know, this piece of property has
been rather difficult piece of property

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to wrap our heads around on how to
develop it based on

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» all the uh different aspects of it,
whether in the county or coming into

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town of Mount Pleasant. But after going
through, you know, so many different um

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breakdowns and processes with the town
and the county on what's what's

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available, we've come to the conclusion,
we'd like to come into the town of Mount

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Pleasant, but we're looking at just
basically building two residential

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houses, one on each lot,
>> is kind of what our conclusion is based

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on as a commercial lot is basically not
large enough to really make sense to

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develop out with the requirements of
parking setbacks and everything. So,

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we're thinking just two residential um
houses, one on each lot,

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» would be the best use for it.
>> That's kind of where we're at with it,

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but we would like the annex in the town
of Mount Pleasant to do that.

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» Okay, great. Anything for the applicant
while we've got them.

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» Anything else, sir? Appreciate it. Thank
you.

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» Okay, this is a public hearing. Uh so if
there are comments from the public that

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um anyone would like to make on this
project, now would be the time for that.

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Okay. Seeing none, we will close the
public uh hearing portion of uh this

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particular proposal.
All right. Um further questions,

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comments, discussion, or maybe motions?

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» Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion. Um,
you know, I think on especially on that

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front parcel, it's obviously this is
more or less a downzoning in my opinion

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from what the county allows. Uh, so I'll
make a motion to approve

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» uh for annexation and reszoning to CC.
Great.

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» Second.
>> Motion made and seconded to reszone to

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community conservation.
Um, we'll take a vote. All those in

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favor say I.
>> I.

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» I.
>> Any opposed?

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Motion carries unanimously. Thank you,
sir. Appreciate it. Thanks, Peter. All

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right, we move to 7D.
Presentation from um engineering uh

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department.
>> Yes, she's leaving.

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» Um this is uh y'all, this is very
casual. This is just going to recap uh

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some things and uh hopefully it'll be
useful to some of y'all. And if y'all

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are on a schedule, I know it's the last
item on the agenda. Please feel free to

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exit on out. Um but I do, you know, want
it to be interactive. If so, if y'all

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have any questions as I kind of go
through this um very quickly, just a few

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minutes uh of a presentation.
And uh it kind of dawned on me last

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month that uh when I when we went
through some of the kind of the legacy

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type discussions on subdividing
property, is that maybe a a good

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uh presentation of how a lot gets
subdivided, some of the steps involved,

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the planning commission's roles and
responsibilities,

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um and then how it moves through the
building permit uh process, and uh and

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hopefully if we have enough time, we can
talk a little bit about the current

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workload and volume. But um last last
month I did hear that you know things

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were you had to approve a subdivision if
it met all lot dimensional requirements

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and I don't I I I tend to disagree with
that. Um I don't think that you are

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hamstrong into approving a subdivision
just because of lot dimensional

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requirements. There are many other
aspects that go into creating a new lot

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that uh that do need to be considered
and uh so hopefully this is kind of the

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start of maybe some discussion on what
those aspects can be. Uh starting from

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the very beginning um you know South
Carolina is a home rule uh state which

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means that um you know we are can make
up our own rules and regulations. We are

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not a creature of the state of South
Carolina. We we do abide by their rules

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and regulations, but we can create our
own rules and regulations as long as

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we're not in conflict with state
uh code. Also, another important piece

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is uh something you're probably already
familiar with is the 94 uh comprehensive

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uh enabling legislation um that kind of
sets the guidelines and standards for

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creating a comprehensive plan. every so
often because of that comprehensive

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plan. Uh the state does recognize and
support our zoning and land development

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regulations. Those are the two main
chapters when you go to subdivide

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property. Zoning of course that's land
use density and intensity and also the

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design value of what's being created. Uh
the land development regulations,

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the way I look at it, they do go hand
inand land development regulations are

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what I would consider kind of the tools
in the tool bag. They're a little bit

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more technical. They provide the
standards. Uh they have safety criteria.

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Uh they also ensure the integrity of uh
subdivisions infrastructure that's being

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installed. Um, and also, uh, they do
they're set up to also incorporate the

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or offset the larger impacts that a
subdivision would, um, would come with

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it. So, those two are somewhat jointly
related. And if you did read the state

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code, they would almost kind of marry
each other in their in their language.

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So, just the zoning real quick.
I uh hopefully some of y'all have read

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some of the uh some of the language
straight out of uh 62930

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that does give the planning commission
the powers and functions to make

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recommendations as it relates to the use
of building structures and land. Um also

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the density specifically says the
density of development. So as we talked

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about last month or the month before
that we can look at density criteria in

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in uh say the old village area if that
is so choose. Also uh open space size of

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yards that's setbacks the planning
commission can make recommendations on

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where that open space is located if it
needs to be moved. A lot of times you'll

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have open space calculations that are
surrounding ponds. Well, well, the open

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space around ponds, that's not exactly a
usable area. A kid can't throw a ball

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with his dad next to a pond, obviously.
So, you know, those type of of things

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can uh can create commentary or comments
and and you know, deferral of of

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subdivisions to uh to make sure that
that those type of aspects are part of a

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subdivision.
Also, uh it does specifically say other

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aspects. included tree preservation,
uh landscaping, which we really don't

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talk about landscaping. We are rarely
focused on trees, but landscaping is

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included in the state code, and that
allows the planning commission to make

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recommendations on buffer, lighting, and
curb cuts. So uh so there's a lot of

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elements that should be considered when
you do subdivide uh property that don't

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really you know uh have the uh the
attention that I you know I think it

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really should have. Um so
the process uh there were some questions

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I think over here Miss Sanford I believe
you last month you you you talked about

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how uh what the process was. So, I
created this neat little graphic here

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that kind of separates into 12 little
tick marks which kind of represent

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months, but that's not exactly how this
goes. This is somewhat of a an exhibit

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of uh of the steps that are involved
with subdividing property. Uh we have

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something called a DRT or development
review team that's made up of storm

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water transportation, Mount Pleasant
waterworks, planning department, fire

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department also uh joins us on
occasions. The first step is to contact

419
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:59,280
our DRT coordinator Mave and she sets up
a a very high level meeting with the

420
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:03,599
applicant and the applicant can set this
meeting up at no charge at any time they

421
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:10,960
would like to set this up. There's no
set formal uh schedule for this. Um

422
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,079
and that is sole purpose is to provide
high level feedback. If you're looking

423
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:20,319
at buying a piece of property, you don't
know it's going to be subdivided. Have a

424
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:23,760
DRT or DRT feasibility meeting with ME.
We all get together, look at it

425
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:27,839
virtually. We talk to the applicant. We
let them know is the water and sewer

426
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,880
available. Will they have to extend a
hydrant to get there? uh what access you

427
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,680
know uh is going to be a concern the
trees that you know they need to

428
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:40,160
understand what the tree regulations
are. So all that stuff is brought to

429
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:44,079
them when they are even thinking about
either purchasing a property or how

430
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:50,720
they're going to go about uh developing
the property. It's been very helpful uh

431
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:54,720
to have that and most everybody that
I've been on at feasibility meeting has

432
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,960
really appreciated the the commentary
and the feedback we've provided uh them

433
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:03,280
because they're getting ready to make a
huge investment or expense with with

434
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,119
engineering and surveying to get to the
next level.

435
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:12,640
The next step uh it's a little bit more
structured. We do have a monthly

436
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:17,040
schedule with the DR uh the DRT uh
review. We call that a conceptual plan.

437
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,520
That is okay. You've gone to the next
step. You've got scaled engineering

438
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:27,040
drawings. You have your tree survey. Uh
you have your uh your other elements

439
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:31,680
that you've investigated. You submit
about two weeks ahead of the the

440
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:36,960
deadline or you submit prior to the
deadline. And that deadline gives us

441
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:43,839
about four weeks to get the review and
comments done and back to the applicant.

442
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:49,440
Okay. So, I've got uh two one and a half
ticks here. It that's that would be a

443
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:54,480
very good cemental. Okay. Uh a lot of
times we have comments and they'll

444
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:58,720
resubmit. We'll review and we'll provide
maybe another commentary or two, but we

445
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:03,520
we end up trying to get them uh through
the process. But if everything works

446
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,880
very well and it's an easy simple one
lot into two, it usually takes about a

447
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:13,599
month and a half to kind of get through
a conceptual step from there. That's

448
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:18,799
where it uh it has to meet the planning
commission uh deadline which is monthly

449
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:24,720
of course and uh and that's about a
month four weeks ahead of the scheduled

450
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:30,400
meeting. Uh and then we present, you
know, a very uh scaledback staff version

451
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:35,200
if there's any remaining comments that
um with the application that we will

452
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:40,799
read them aloud here for you guys. And
um and then that moves through in about

453
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,960
a month. And if there's no
infrastructure involved with this

454
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:50,079
subdivision, if it's one light into two,
you can actually from your planning

455
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:54,960
commission with a favorable uh vote, you
can actually move into a final plat

456
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:59,920
which gets authorized at staff level. So
there shouldn't be really too much left

457
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:03,760
if you're doing a simple subdivision.
Now, if you're dedicating infrastructure

458
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:08,960
to the town, it does get a little bit
more involved because there is another

459
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:14,559
step of technical review.
that is the engineer has developed

460
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:20,480
construction drawings to install the
streets, drainage, pond,

461
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:26,319
uh water, sewer, they have their storm
water, sediment, rose control. A lot

462
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:31,599
goes into that. You know, four four
months is very tight. uh you know

463
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:36,000
sometimes the applicant is working on
that concurrently as he's moving through

464
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,079
but once they get planning commission
approval they become vested and then

465
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:44,640
they're able they're able or guaranteed
to actually go through with their

466
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:50,000
development plan.
Um and of course we provide comments. It

467
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:55,680
goes back to the applicant. they address
the comments and then it will eventually

468
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:01,839
um
go through and get a final DRT stamp and

469
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:06,319
that does include the MS4 which is their
water quality and uh and then they're

470
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:11,280
able to move through with the
construction. Now construction takes

471
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:16,960
years. So just for this exhibit it just
shows a number of ticks but

472
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:21,920
so when they install the infrastructure
we have our own inspectors. the town

473
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:26,000
does. We have four field inspectors. Two
of them, they look at the SWIP, which is

474
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:31,280
the storm water pollution prevention
plan, and the tree protection zone. They

475
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:36,960
provide a clearing and grading permit
before they even start construction. Uh

476
01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:41,040
they are out there with the uh
contractor walking the site, making sure

477
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,880
that the tree protection's up, making
sure the silt fence is up, the

478
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:49,200
construction entrance is in. Then they
authorize a clearing and grading for

479
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:54,079
them to move forward.
The other two inspectors, those are our

480
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:58,640
roadway and our storm uh water
inspectors or storm water pipe

481
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:04,559
inspectors. They actually follow the
project much closely um working with the

482
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:09,040
contractor when they uh do the uh the
mass grading, the rough grading for the

483
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:12,559
road, the subgrade, the base course and
the asphalt. and and of course the pipe

484
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:16,960
gets inspected when it when it's
delivered and it gets inspected when

485
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:21,119
it's in the trench and again it gets
inspected uh the compaction gets

486
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:25,599
expected at that at lifts throughout the
installation of the storm water pipe. So

487
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,880
there's a lot that kind of goes into uh
installing the infrastructure to make

488
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,559
sure that it's when it's turned over to
the town of Mount Pleasant, we have

489
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,920
something that is going to last and it's
not going to be a burden to the

490
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:40,160
taxpayers.
Um, so they move through the

491
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:45,839
construction process,
the final plat process, then that occurs

492
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:50,640
at the very end of that process. Whereas
if it didn't have infrastructure, it

493
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:53,760
could have occurred in a month or two
after the planning commission, but

494
01:02:52,000 --> 01:03:01,520
because of the construction process, it
does occur much later. That is the final

495
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:07,599
leverage and authority um that holds the
developer to uh make sure that he does

496
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:12,079
everything he needs to do to have all
the infrastructure in place before he is

497
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:17,359
able to sell property. When the
subdivision plaque gets authorized,

498
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:21,839
uh they provide the two-year warranty,
they provide the bond, they provide the

499
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:28,400
certification for work material and
workmanship, they provide the u permits

500
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:34,319
to operate for the water and sewer. Uh
tree mitigation is also done. And um

501
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,720
there's a whole checklist and the final
inspection reports from our field

502
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:44,559
engineers. Uh they're all submitted in
one package. It gets signed by staff and

503
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:49,359
then they take that final plat go to the
Charleston RD office create the lots.

504
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:53,520
The county gives them tax map numbers
and then they become taxable

505
01:03:51,119 --> 01:04:00,240
transferable fee simple lots to be sold
to individuals to then go then go

506
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:06,480
vertical.
So from land development now you've got

507
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:11,680
your individual lots you got your
infrastructure in now the uh the

508
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:16,960
homeowner or whoever wants to go
vertical. Well the folks that are

509
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,680
involved with that that is a combination
planning department they look there the

510
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:27,440
authority of zoning authority of lot
orientation and setbacks.

511
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:32,799
The engineering development services
that is my team which is the engineering

512
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:39,039
develop engineering and environmental
division. We look at the tree standards.

513
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:43,839
This is for single family residents only
by the way. Tree standards, your storm

514
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:48,720
water uh management plan. We ensure the
quality of the survey and the and the

515
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:54,799
physical conditions
are all incorporated into the submitt.

516
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:59,440
Um, and then the storm water, you know,
we look at that from a perspective of

517
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:04,079
the common enemy rule, uh, which is kind
of like the golden rule is what I call

518
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:08,799
is like take care of your own water.
Don't cast your water over to your

519
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:13,920
neighbors. Make sure that your water is
going to where it should be going to the

520
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:18,240
front or the back. Um, and also don't
impede the flow of water that's coming

521
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:22,880
off site. You actually have to manage if
it's naturally if you're on a hill and

522
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:28,079
you're developing downhill, you have to
manage that water that's coming to you

523
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:32,720
around your property. You cannot impede
the flow of of water from offsite if

524
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,039
it's naturally coming in your direction.
So you can't impede and you can't impact

525
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:42,640
is what we say.
Um and also we look at it from a safety

526
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:47,039
aspects too. Um you know the access
points and and things of that nature. So

527
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:50,799
that's what you know we do and we we
take a look at it and then uh you know

528
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:56,400
we have the trees located on there as
well. So concurrently with the the the

529
01:05:53,520 --> 01:06:00,640
review our building uh inspections
division they look at the IBC the

530
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:06,920
vertical stuff and and they're the ones
that are responsible for the building

531
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,920
permit administration. So

532
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:14,799
so going just a little bit more into
that um that's the roles and authority.

533
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:20,079
This is the workflow. So, if an
applicant comes into the town, uh, they

534
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:25,520
want to pull a building permit. We have
an online portal. It's called Oracle,

535
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:29,760
and they're able to upload their plans
through our website. Now, this is fairly

536
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:34,079
new. I think it's about six, eight
months, been around. Uh, so we're still

537
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:38,880
working the kind of the the bugs and the
kinks out a little bit, but has been

538
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:43,039
very effective in tracking uh what we do
internally.

539
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:48,079
Uh all applications come through the
building permit division.

540
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:53,440
A part of that application we have the
site plan review that goes in the

541
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:57,920
planning department looks at it as well
as my division looks at it for the storm

542
01:06:55,359 --> 01:07:03,599
water and trees. That's all part of one
bundle when it comes in.

543
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:09,440
uh our our guys, they go out and they do
a courtesy site inspection to ensure the

544
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:13,680
tree accuracy and and to identify and
recognize any other kind of unique site

545
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:20,000
conditions that could be that could be
missing from their plan. Um and then

546
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,720
also then once that's done, they become
building permit eligible.

547
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:29,119
Once they become uh once the building
inspection department is done with their

548
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:33,440
review uh then they actually release the
building permit at that time. So we hold

549
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,960
the building permit until we actually
have visited the site. We've looked at

550
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:44,720
the trees. We've looked at the storm
water and then they're released for the

551
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:49,599
building the building permit. We do the
tree protection zone um inspections. We

552
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:54,079
also do the erosion control inspections
all at the same time. Uh that's the

553
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,599
initial inspection. We don't really go
back to that site throughout the

554
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:02,880
development process. We only go back to
that site if it's needed. And we also

555
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:08,400
have a final inspection that's all
programmed into this software that we

556
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:13,200
have. So
um

557
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:17,120
uh and then the building division
releases the certificate of occupancy.

558
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:23,600
Any questions on that particular one?
It's, you know, very scaled down, but it

559
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:27,440
is a fairly good process where we do
have the checks and balances we need by

560
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:32,239
holding the building permit until the
site inspections done. They check off

561
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:36,319
internally when they have completed it
and then they become eligible for

562
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,719
building permit. So, it's
>> it's very structured process. Yes,

563
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:43,920
ma'am.
>> One question. When you say other

564
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:49,279
inspections as needed, is that if there
is somebody who complains about the site

565
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:52,000
or if the applicant comes back and says
something has changed, I've got an

566
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:57,440
issue.
>> Both. Yeah, both. If we get a complaint,

567
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:01,199
we go back out to the site.
>> Our guys have already established

568
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:05,279
hopefully a good positive relationship
with the builder. the builder, you know,

569
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:12,080
his main objective is to finish his
project and so he's willing and able to

570
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:18,560
cooperate most of the time uh to get
whatever is the issue is resolved. Um

571
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:25,279
because he knows a little bit of grading
is very inexpensive to do. Um but yes,

572
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:29,759
that is yes, they go back as needed and
we kind of anticipate some problems too.

573
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:34,080
So,
so that is their that is their kind of

574
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:36,799
scaled down process. So, shifting gears
a little bit.

575
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,000
» Can I ask one question?
>> Yes, ma'am.

576
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:44,640
» Is that inclusive of where I see at
number five certificate of occupancy?

577
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:49,120
So, does that include the construction
process too of like electrical rough

578
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:52,159
inspection, plumbing rough in
inspection?

579
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:58,159
» Yep. I did not include that because
we're just focusing on the storm water

580
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:01,840
tree and the site plan review. But if I
were to include that, there'd be a whole

581
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:04,080
list of those type items,
>> right,

582
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:09,199
» that run concurrently with our
inspection. So, yes, that is that's all

583
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:12,000
incorporated into that Oracle package
there.

584
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:16,480
» And Kevin, if you would um a page or two
back, um the two-year warranty, explain

585
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:21,199
that.
>> Yeah, that two-year warranty.

586
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:27,520
» Yeah. Uh well, it's it's been standard
ever since I've been here is to have the

587
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:31,920
developer and engineer uh or developer
and contractor sign off on the material

588
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:38,400
and workmanship and the developer
certifying that he will uh warranty this

589
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:43,840
uh dedication of the infrastructure for
a two-year period. It is a certification

590
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:48,960
and it's notorized, certified, put in.
We also have a 20% cost of total

591
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:55,040
infrastructure that is also submitted in
a financial guarantee to support that

592
01:10:51,920 --> 01:11:01,760
which isn't much but als more more or
less represents

593
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:06,159
the uh the intent of the owner
dedicating this and being complete. If

594
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:10,800
there are serious problems of course
then you get into the the legal world of

595
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:15,440
of back and forth and they get
consultants. We get consultants. doesn't

596
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:20,640
last for many many years, but there is
that show of intent. It is supposed to

597
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:26,239
last for at least two years with and we
do a warranty inspection as well before

598
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:30,080
we release the bond.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a lot that

599
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:38,159
is submitted with those final plat
packages that um that you know legally

600
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:43,360
covers this the best we possibly can.
Uh

601
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:50,080
so touching a little bit on workload and
I'll be done. So uh something that many

602
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:54,640
folks may not be aware of uh I created
this little chart here um with some

603
01:11:53,199 --> 01:12:01,840
information that I received from our
building inspections division. Uh this

604
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:07,199
graph shows the past five years of what
building permits that are not upfits,

605
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:12,000
which means all building permits that
are submitted to the town that don't uh

606
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:20,000
that are outside of an upfit. That's
inside improvement like decks, uh ADUs,

607
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:25,280
uh new homes.
That's what these numbers represent. Uh

608
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:33,199
the bottom orange numbers represent the
new homes and the top uh represents

609
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:41,600
everything else the non non homes. So as
you can see from 2021 we kind of peaked

610
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:46,800
and we're trending every year down and
so far 2025 seems to be a little bit

611
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:53,600
more of an uptick on the new residential
homes that we that we receive. But still

612
01:12:50,000 --> 01:13:00,560
it is still going to be in a downward uh
type of trend. And just to give you a

613
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:08,000
sense of scale and workload that 2023
that monthly average is 70

614
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:13,280
and uh 68 for 2024.
Uh that's how many permit applications

615
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:22,320
that go through that process that we
just talked about uh with our siden with

616
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:27,520
our two sight inspectors. So um
so yeah the average that the yellow line

617
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:30,960
is the average is 922 permits every year
that our build inspection department

618
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:35,280
administers
>> that um Kevin

619
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:38,560
» that you know I think it's worth
>> talking about

620
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:43,360
» the all others that's external stuff
right and would that include pools

621
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:51,040
» pools addition decks ADUs etc like you
said additions okay

622
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:56,960
» yes ma'am yeah we Our stormwater team
inspects the pools,

623
01:13:52,800 --> 01:14:01,040
» the additions, the decks. So they uh
they you know they have to take it

624
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,320
through their process um everything but
kind of upsets because you're really not

625
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:08,719
doing anything.
>> So I had a question go back to the

626
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:12,080
previous chart. So 2025 are those
numbers to date or are they annualized

627
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,880
because we still have four months left
in the year.

628
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:19,920
» Right. No, that's just to date. So, if
you were annualize that number, you

629
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:24,960
think it' be closer to 2024?
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah, we'll probably be closer

630
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:27,760
to 2024 total. Probably a little bit
more

631
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:32,320
» new homes, I think.
>> So, it's kind of stable in like maybe

632
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:38,239
even closer to 2023 then. So, so there's
really not a downturn as you if if you

633
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:43,920
go back and analyze all this. Well, if
you want me to go back to 1999 and look

634
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:51,199
at the chart, then we will definitely
see a downturn from from two early 2000s

635
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:56,400
the way we were developing to the last
two five years. Um, you would see a much

636
01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:00,560
significant difference between these
numbers and those numbers.

637
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:04,880
» And is the takeaway for us that th this
volume is more manageable for the

638
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:09,840
department or what what what should we
conclude from? takeaway is is uh you

639
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:14,000
know I think there's there's there's
kind of a little bit of a misconception

640
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:20,719
that uh those one or two problem
children out there we want to say that's

641
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:25,840
just one of you know 800 that we've
already seen that entire year.

642
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:32,080
uh you know we've had 700 that have
actually been a successful process uh

643
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:37,520
and have gone successfully through a
process but there's that small few that

644
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:44,320
seems to get a lot of attention
and uh we spend a lot of time on those

645
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:49,199
small handful that um that sometimes
there's really no solution honestly uh

646
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:52,800
you know we you know it is what it is
and and you know we do the best we can

647
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:56,960
to manage it but you know those are the
ones that seem to get a lot of the

648
01:15:54,719 --> 01:16:00,640
attention when there's 800 that we've
already

649
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:06,320
uh uh managed and and brought through
the process. And and lastly, this is my

650
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:12,480
last slide here, is is this is done by
two uh storm water code guys. So, I'm

651
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,760
the deputy director. I do have project
engineer that looks at all the other

652
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:22,000
projects that come through the town, the
commercial as well, but uh she helps me

653
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:27,360
with she actually manages the uh the
single family uh code uh program and we

654
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:32,320
have two code inspectors and those two
code inspectors, their main job is to

655
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:36,640
build a good relationship with the
builder and owner. include the owner in

656
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:41,280
as much as possible with what they're
doing because the builder is telling the

657
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:45,520
owner and the owner's you know getting
upset and you know so I tell them to

658
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:51,600
include the owner as much as they
possibly can when when matters and

659
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:57,280
issues come up. So so that's it. I you
know I I want to end with uh you know

660
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:01,920
this is a kind of an open discussion.
And this is for y'all to consider, look

661
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:06,800
at,
uh, have any ideas. I can come back next

662
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:10,239
month. We can talk about density
calculations,

663
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:16,719
other things that are going on in the
town. We can, uh, we can show some

664
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:21,920
examples of our storm water uh, designs
and some of the things we we do review.

665
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:26,400
We can we can provide some examples.
There's also there's character defining

666
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,679
features that we don't really talk about
such as fences. I was in I'm in the old

667
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:36,719
village a good bit. Uh the fences that
are going up are very noticeable in a

668
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:42,800
lot of these larger homes that are being
built. They're now putting up these huge

669
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:49,600
fences that go all the way to the
rightway. So that really changes the

670
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:56,880
character of of the neighborhood in my
opinion is when you block off that view.

671
01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:00,400
Um so that doesn't get any discussion at
at planning commission at least not that

672
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:05,040
what I've heard. There's also density.
You know the scale is what we've what

673
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:09,840
we've talked about as well. Uh we also
something that might be worth presenting

674
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:14,800
to is a residential low impact program.
um environmental uh managers kind of

675
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:20,159
moving through the uh green commission
with that and and uh it might be worth

676
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:26,159
you know uh for him to come and and give
you an example of you know what they're

677
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:30,000
planning on doing. Also another thing
that we're doing it's very interesting

678
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:34,960
is that is the sea level rise study.
We've targeted a couple of areas.

679
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:41,840
They've got this GIS model that shows
the ocean as it comes in in 2050 and how

680
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:45,760
it recedes and what areas it it actually
covers and the depth of those areas. We

681
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,679
looked at, you know, two areas right now
in town. That's the end of Hadel Street

682
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:55,280
and then up there around Daryl Creek
Commonwealth area.

683
01:18:52,400 --> 01:19:02,400
uh we will be releasing that and putting
that on the internet uh pretty soon but

684
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:07,199
um you know I'd be happy to come and and
present the the findings of those two

685
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:13,040
those studies as well that of course
could also result in planning commission

686
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:17,120
issues because
that's going to have a perception of a

687
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,360
threat that's going to be coming into
the folks that live on the uh the marsh

688
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:24,800
area and you know information is going
to be valuable and it's going to be key

689
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:29,840
in that situation because there's going
to be some hysteria and you know fear

690
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:35,280
mongling that's going to go on. So, uh
having good information for residents uh

691
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:41,280
is going to be our our main objective in
that particular u item. And then also

692
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,880
we're looking at wetland ordinances too.
So

693
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:50,239
we're just now kind of embarking on
that. City of Bluton has approved

694
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:54,960
wetland ordinances for them. The mayor
is uh wanting us to draft up some

695
01:19:52,640 --> 01:20:00,640
wetland ordinance that are similar to
the Bluffton ordinances and we are kind

696
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:04,960
of moving through that right now. Uh but
yes, we be happy to present those or

697
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:09,520
anything else that the planning
commission would like to see or or be a

698
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:13,520
little bit more knowledgeable on.
Um so that's what the purpose of this

699
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,120
presentation is. Sorry to take so much
time.

700
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:21,679
» No, thank you. um input and um
prioritization on these topics or others

701
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,880
for Kevin thoughts.
>> I think this is great. The only other

702
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:29,360
thing I can think of that I'm always
curious about is the commercial side of

703
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,640
things. So you were talking about the
single family,

704
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:37,679
» but so many times by the time we see
something a commercial plan presented,

705
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:42,000
» it's been undergoing a lot of work and
sometimes developers will say it's been

706
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:46,880
several years. And so I'm kind of
curious about that, you know, to how can

707
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,600
we get a better handle on it earlier,
>> right,

708
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:54,480
» before things go so far that developers
get upset when they don't get what they

709
01:20:52,480 --> 01:21:00,560
» I'll I'll make a note of that and we
will uh I'll go through the commercial

710
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:05,520
process and we could consider, you know,
>> what that all entails. Uh DRB gets

711
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:09,199
involved with that. Design review board
also gets involved with that. So

712
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:12,239
» uh yeah, I think that's a great topic.
We'll we'll definitely roll something

713
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,400
out and have something similar for you
next month.

714
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:20,480
» Thank you.
>> Other suggestions or requests of Kevin,

715
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:24,560
» Kevin Barry, you don't really want to
hear anything about storm water.

716
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:29,120
» Well, I've heard a lot about it. Um, but
uh I I Kevin, I like these topics. I

717
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:32,800
mean, I think uh the density
calculations may be good for the group.

718
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,880
And then you brought up a good point on
the fences. Um,

719
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:41,760
» you know, that that's a topic,
>> you know, I'm not sure, you know, where

720
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:45,679
or how we could would fall in with that,
but um, but it would be good something

721
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,719
to look at because I, as far as I know,
there's no regulations associated with

722
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:54,719
it. Um,
>> no, there's not. Uh, and and folks will

723
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:59,040
put up a tall wood stockade fence that
is a wall. It's a, you know, it's a wall

724
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:03,440
and it goes straight to the ground.
and think about it if everybody else

725
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:07,360
did, you know, what that would do to the
actual subdivision itself. So,

726
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:11,440
» and the village historic district
preservation commission doesn't follow

727
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:14,960
the guidelines very closely in that
regard.

728
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:19,679
» And I can think of one example um in an
area that does not have an HOA, but it's

729
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:24,239
not the old village where a homeowner
has put up these huge it looks like

730
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:28,480
something going to Windsor Castle. It's
like big brick,

731
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,840
» you know, front fence thing with I I
swear they're probably going to have

732
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:36,320
lions on the top of the things. Um, and
that is also sort of interesting that it

733
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:40,000
creates a very different feel for the
neighborhood.

734
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:43,360
» But there's no HOA. I mean, in mine, we
couldn't we wouldn't allow that, but you

735
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:47,199
know, in places where they don't have
those rules,

736
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:51,280
» and that can be very tricky when you
talk about aesthetics,

737
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:56,880
» things of that nature. But, you know,
the the scale and dimension, we don't

738
01:22:54,320 --> 01:23:00,480
have anything and and the um and the
opakquakeness of it all, right? You

739
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:06,560
know, whether it's a big brick wall or a
fence, stockgate fence. Um Kevin, as as

740
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:10,480
suggested a little earlier, I think the
density calculations uh primmer on that

741
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:14,080
would make a lot of sense for us right
now, especially given the conversation

742
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:19,360
we've had or maybe the ongoing
conversation we had the last two or

743
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:23,920
three sessions and you know some of the
concern and pressure that we're hearing

744
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:29,440
from citizens around um you know the
community on on that very matter. So

745
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:32,320
more we can understand how to measure
and evaluate that I think the better

746
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,159
served could be.
>> Yeah.

747
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:36,560
» Okay. Yeah. I'll be happy to.
>> Yeah. Mr. D.

748
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,480
» Yeah. So I have one question. So the sea
level rise. So

749
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,440
» Yes sir.
>> Can you explain that? I mean we're not

750
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,320
the aisle of palms. We're not Sullivan.
>> We're not.

751
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:47,520
» And so is this be because of the marsh
or just you know just what's the point

752
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:52,080
of all that one?
>> Yeah. We're not we're not uh saying that

753
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:57,600
the town of Mount Pleasant uh is
anywhere close to being a condition like

754
01:23:54,320 --> 01:24:02,239
Alapons or Sullivan's Island. Uh we are
saying that there are some pockets and

755
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:09,920
areas within the town
>> that they will and already are seeing

756
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:14,320
some uh some changes in in some of the u
their environment when it comes to high

757
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:17,600
tides and getting rid of
>> like like Longpoint Road and areas like

758
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,920
that.
>> Yes sir. Longpoint Road will be one of

759
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:26,560
our lowest points. Matter of fact,
Williams Street in the old village is

760
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:30,719
elevation 3.4 four mean sea level and
that is

761
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:35,920
» uh that is the lowest point I think in
Mount Pleasant there and they flood even

762
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:40,560
on a sunny day at a at a regular high
tide they get water in the street so

763
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:45,840
» uh they're going to be significantly
impacted um in 50 years

764
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:50,719
» but it's time to kind of
>> provide that kind of information because

765
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:54,719
it's already being talked about you know
so having information available to

766
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:59,679
residents that are concerned concerns
that they hear gossiping and things like

767
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:04,880
that about how bad it's going to be or
or what the conditions are. I think it'd

768
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:07,840
be good to have reliable information for
those concerned citizens that we have in

769
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,000
those low areas.
>> Yeah, I agree with that. I I agree with

770
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:15,440
that 100%.
>> Anything else?

771
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:18,880
» In in rough form, I think you've got
some sense for the interest and

772
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,360
priorities. So,
>> great.

773
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:25,520
» Yeah. Uh let's uh we can do the sea
level rise in a couple of months. We can

774
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:30,000
do the commercial review process next
week and then we could talk about some

775
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:33,040
of the density calculations.
>> Could you do the commercial the month

776
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,360
after next because I'm not going to be
here next month and I want to hear it

777
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:41,520
density
>> point of personal you know we'll talk

778
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,800
about density at next month and then uh
>> we'll do the commercial after that.

779
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,840
» Okay. Thank you so much.
>> Okay. Thank you'all.

780
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:52,400
» Thank you
>> David. rules of procedure for 2025 or

781
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:56,800
maybe that was M.
>> Yep. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, that

782
01:25:54,880 --> 01:26:01,760
actually goes hand inand with what Kev
was discussing. This was brought up by

783
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:08,719
Miss Ireland of getting items on the
agenda uh sponsored by uh members of the

784
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:15,360
body. So, this is a based on what we
heard uh last month. I've revised the

785
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:20,080
text in the this proposed revision and
uh would just need y'all to vote up or

786
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:26,239
down on whether you're okay with the
language and that would allow for a

787
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:30,719
member of the body with at least um two
additional sponsoring board members and

788
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:35,120
at least 15 days in advance to add
agenda items to the meeting.

789
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:39,840
» I move to adopt the leg of the language
as amended, should I say.

790
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:43,440
» Second.
Okay.

791
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:49,040
Any discussion? If not, we'll call for a
vote. All those in favor say I. I.

792
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:53,600
» Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
Great. I think that makes a lot of

793
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:59,080
sense. Thanks for that, uh, gentlemen.
Okay, I think we're adjourned.

794
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,080
» Thank you.

795
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,719
See you Peter.