[3:26] I mean it should be
[3:32] Yeah. Can you test test test
one two three ABC
[3:40] Come with me.
There was an old lady that lived in a
[3:45] shoe.
>> Has it
[3:54] Are you checking online now?
Was an old woman who lived in the shoe
[3:59] who had so many children she didn't know
what to do.
[4:06] Um I can't remember another I gota
remember another nursery.
[4:13] Three blind mice. Three blind mice. See
how they run. See how they run.
[4:56] I have no idea what mic does that.
>> I don't know.
[5:02] Okay, then.
[5:11] » Okay. But I mean, you'll probably hear
it here. The question is is if you have
[5:14] it off, does do you hear it on the
streaming?
[5:17] If it's if you have it turned off in the
back.
[23:00] Teresa,
[23:07] you
>> Teresa?
[23:09] » Okay, we'll get started. It's five or
Yep. five o'clock. Uh, so the August
[23:15] meeting of the planning commission will
uh will start. I don't think we need a
[23:19] roll call. We do have a quorum. Miss
Lines, um, approval of the agenda. Do we
[23:23] have a motion to approve the agenda as
proposed?
[23:27] » I'll move to approve. Okay, Mr. Smi and
I think
[23:32] » and Pam seconded. All those in favor say
I.
[23:35] » I.
>> Any opposed?
[23:37] » Motion passes. Great. And approval of
the minutes from the July meeting. Any
[23:43] recommendations for edits or changes?
>> Okay.
[23:48] » Was that Mr. Davis?
>> It was Mr. Davis.
[23:50] » Yep. Seconded by Mr. Smite. All those in
favor of approving the minutes from last
[23:55] month say I. I.
>> Any opposed?
[23:58] Motion carries.
Mr. Stone, Planning Commission
[24:03] recommendations update.
[24:07] » Good afternoon, planning commission. Mr.
Chair, thank you. We have August
[24:12] recommendations from town council uh
that planning commission has hoarded on
[24:18] the first reading for town center. The
PD amendment was denied and that will
[24:24] terminate that application. um they will
have to request a one-year waiver or
[24:30] come back in the future to um have any
other future plans reviewed. The rest of
[24:35] these are final readings. The uh final
reading on 1724 Lanon, the annexation
[24:41] and zoning of area wide business that
was approved. We had the final reading
[24:46] of a 66 acre parcel on Highway 17 uh
zoned AB to remain in the Sweetgrass
[24:53] Basket Overlay District. that was
approved.
[24:56] Then we had the
uh 2965 North Highway 17 that was
[25:03] annexed in zone CC. Uh that was
approved. Final reading um I'm excited
[25:09] to announce final reading on the 5-year
update for the comprehensive plan. Uh
[25:13] that was approved.
And final reading for the highway 17 uh
[25:21] aggregation of nearly 12 acres of five
parcels that was deferred um by council.
[25:29] So that's all the staff has. Glad to
answer any questions you might have.
[25:35] » Thanks Mr. Stone. Any questions um for
staff about the uh town council's
[25:41] reviews?
Okay. If not, we will move ahead. I
[25:47] assume that all the correspondence was
forwarded to us within the parameters.
[25:51] » That's correct.
>> Great. Thank you for that. Uh now's the
[25:56] time for general public comment. So we
have three public hearings on um our
[26:01] agenda tonight. So if you care to speak
about a specific uh uh item on on the
[26:07] agenda, um you're welcome to do that, of
course, and we we'd ask that you
[26:11] probably reserve your comments until
then. But if there is there anything of
[26:15] of g of a general nature you care to
bring before the commission, now would
[26:19] be a time to do that.
[26:24] Seeing none, we will close the general
public comment period and move to um our
[26:30] order of business 7A public hearing for
street name approval.
[26:38] » Good evening, chairman and uh planning
commission members. Um, thank you,
[26:43] Peter. So, um, I have the honor to
present this request tonight to rename a
[26:48] street in Rivertown after our very dear
friend, Bruce Cutting. As you all know,
[26:52] Bruce lost a two-year battle with
pancreatic cancer in June. And although
[26:56] he lost his life, this illness did not
beat him or ever get the best of him. He
[27:02] was eternally optimistic. As retired
Army Lieutenant Colonel, the core values
[27:08] are loyalty, duty, respect, selfless
service, honor, integrity, and personal
[27:14] courage. How Bruce lived exemplified
these values. From a 20-year service to
[27:21] our country to serving his town, his
community, his church, his neighborhood,
[27:26] and serving alongside all of us and all
the other things he did that we never
[27:30] knew about.
Bruce always and absolutely lived it
[27:34] with a big grin on his face
and a thumbs up all the time and usually
[27:40] with a witty self-deprecating
joke that went along with it. His very
[27:46] last sit rap, which is army lingo for
situation report, uh came on May 9th,
[27:52] and as usual, he was funny and positive
and full of hope. and he ended his email
[27:58] with a sentence that said, "There's not
a fear in me." And I don't doubt it one
[28:04] bit because he was outspoken in his
faith and he was confident in where he
[28:09] was going to spend eternity. So with
that, we recommend approval with this
[28:14] street being renamed. And to Bruce, I
would say well done, good and faithful
[28:19] servant. And I know that he has his
bride and some family and friends here
[28:24] that would like to speak for the public
hearing. So with that I'll
[28:27] » right Michelle thank so very well
articulated thank you is a public
[28:32] hearing so we we'd welcome comment from
um from the public
[28:37] » I don't know how anyone
[28:43] » you can go you can go to the the mic
yeah that's okay
[28:46] » and if you would uh for the public
record if you'd state your name and
[28:49] address please ma'am
>> so sorry I'm Jennifer Lavoy I'm one of
[28:52] the residents of Rivertown Parkway and
Bradley Lane Um, we live next to Bruce
[28:57] and his beautiful wife, Arlene.
[29:02] So, we want to first thank you guys and
thank you Peter as well for your help
[29:06] with this um for your consideration in
changing the street name in honor of our
[29:12] friend and neighbor Bruce Cutting. He
was just an amazing human. Um, he was a
[29:17] cherished member of our community. He
was the neighbor everyone wishes they
[29:20] could have. Um, the first to welcome
each of us to the neighborhood. the one
[29:24] we called on with questions about
happenings throughout the community.
[29:29] The one who seemed to know just about
everything about just about everything.
[29:33] He demonstrated unwavering dedication to
the betterment of our neighborhood,
[29:37] contributing to um by serving on our HOA
board as a volunteer coordinator, to our
[29:43] neighborhood swim team, serving on
boards and commissions and local
[29:46] municipalities. Bruce greeted thousands
of people coming and going in and out of
[29:51] Charleston at the cruise ship terminal
um where he served as guest services
[29:56] agent um on the Carnival Sunshine.
Bruce's desk for life was truly
[30:01] unmatched. Um he would get such a kick
out of watching us go through this
[30:05] process with the county and the
municipalities.
[30:09] We can't wait to see how many different
ways GPS can pronounce Ketty.
[30:14] Naming the street after Bruce will serve
as a lasting tribute to his legacy and
[30:18] provide a constant reminder of the
values of service, compassion,
[30:22] friendship, and community that he so
strongly embodied. Um, he was amazing
[30:26] and there was no one more worthy of
being honored.
[30:29] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[30:35] » Yes, sir.
And if you would, sir, just state your
[30:38] name and address for the record. My name
is Brian Oliver, 2845 Rivertown Parkway,
[30:43] right on the corner of Bradley Lane,
soon to be renamed one of our best
[30:47] friends ever.
Back in June,
[30:52] uh, all of us here up and down this
street in the community lost a big big
[30:58] man.
It's the best way I could describe him.
[31:01] Rebulls,
bad jokes, good friends. He was the
[31:05] first one to welcome us 10 years ago
onto that street when we moved in. He
[31:09] was the f he was the first to welcome
everyone else that I knew that was
[31:12] there. Amazing friend. Uh he set an
example in so many ways on so many
[31:19] dimensions to all of us, kids, young
people, older adults going through
[31:24] things. He was a brilliant to the very
end. Um
[31:29] that was probably what I could say was
even to that time the last times that we
[31:34] visited him is um I never saw somebody
that I would love to put to point an
[31:40] example a way of life a way to live all
the way to the very end of his life it
[31:46] was there um there will not be any time
that we walk down this street or see
[31:52] this or go to the community that uh and
and people throughout the the devel
[31:57] element that know him will not be
remembering him, talking about him,
[32:00] telling stories. There's probably not
one tourist that got off the Carnival
[32:04] Cruise Line of the thousands over the
last five or seven years that got off of
[32:09] that ship or got on them. They won't
remember Bruce Kenny in one way or
[32:14] another. He'll be a part of their life
and a part of the stories they'll tell
[32:17] about Charleston. Bigger than that,
we wish him well and we'll be thinking
[32:22] of him for always.
>> Thank you, sir.
[32:28] wonderful tributes. Is there anyone else
who would like to speak?
[32:36] Okay, we will close the public hearing.
So, those of you that had the privilege
[32:40] of uh of of working on this commission
or otherwise with with Bruce, he he was
[32:46] everything that has already been said
and more. This could be the simplest
[32:50] decision that um this commission has
ever made.
[32:55] So with that discussion,
>> so for a moment I'm going to pretend
[33:00] this is The Voice, the television show,
The Voice.
[33:03] » That's the golden buzzer.
[33:07] » Okay. Is there a motion?
>> I think that was a motion, but I'll
[33:11] second it.
>> That's great. All those in favor say I.
[33:14] » I.
>> Any opposed? Great. Thank you. Thank
[33:18] you.
Okay, we'll push forward to agenda item
[33:23] 7B, public hearing for Ving Road.
[33:29] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's going to be
tough to follow.
[33:32] » Yes, it will.
All right. Um, so this is a request to
[33:38] reszone two parcels on Vining Road to
AB2.
[33:45] You can see here from the aerial
context, this is nearly one acre. Uh
[33:48] right now it serves as a contractor's
office and a gravel parking lot uh on
[33:53] the corners of Hall's Pond and Lannon
Lane. The parcel that we uh just had
[34:00] final reading on to reszone to AB is is
right here.
[34:06] » The uh parcel is currently AB.
And between 2003 and 2009,
[34:13] uh there were 13 properties within this
pocket that were reszoned to AB um
[34:22] commercial. And this request involves
the applicant um posing a reszoning to
[34:28] AB2.
So taking this request
[34:33] and referencing the future land use
which is community scale commercial AB2
[34:38] is within the range of applicable zoning
districts for community scale
[34:43] commercial. However, uh while that is
one factor, I do want to bring to your
[34:52] um reference here what the code has and
it's it's not the only factor. Uh when
[34:57] we look at the comp plan being and the
future land use, it's it's more
[35:02] multi-perspective than that. the the
code gives review criteria for uh
[35:07] resonings and you have to ask the
question and these are guiding questions
[35:13] as you look at resonings but you would
ask um have there been any changes that
[35:17] would necessitate um and any changes to
the conditions or the circumstances in
[35:22] this property that would ne necessitate
this resoning uh would the uses allowed
[35:27] um you know from this resoning be
appropriate?
[35:31] uh is this a best uh management practice
within planning and zoning for this
[35:36] reasonzoning to occur and and finally um
is this consistent with the whole of the
[35:42] comprehensive plan not just the future
land use map. So, in attempting to
[35:48] answer those questions and respond to
this request, um I do have additional
[35:53] information that I can go into uh to
kind of help guide that request, but um
[36:01] otherwise uh the applicant is here, but
glad to dive into any other subjects you
[36:06] would like. In the bottom lefthand
corner, I've got some uh topics that if
[36:11] you had any questions on, I'd be glad to
answer. I mean to make the best informed
[36:15] decision possible, Mr. Stone, I think
I'd like to see it. Is there agreement?
[36:20] Other members of the commission? Okay.
Yeah, if you would go ahead and share
[36:23] that with us.
>> So, I'll start off with just a bit of
[36:26] historical context. Um,
let's see here.
[36:34] All right. So, both of these properties
were annexed and zoned AB in 2009 into
[36:39] the town. In 2018, the property owner
requested AB2 zoning just like they're
[36:44] doing now. Um, and this request was
denied uh citing inconsistency with the
[36:49] comp comprehensive plan at that time
which designated the area as community
[36:53] conservation. You can see everything
here in yellow was community
[36:56] conservation. So that that was denied at
that time uh just with a lack of
[37:02] consistency with comprehensive plan. The
nature of this request is based on
[37:10] uh the property is currently AB and our
code enforcement officers uh have
[37:16] noticed that there is outdoor storage of
boats and uh parking of construction
[37:21] vehicles and that would require AB2 uh
and with a special exception from the
[37:27] board of zoning appeals. So that would
be followed by a commercial site review
[37:32] as well. But that is uh the context of
this request and why it's before you.
[37:39] If we wanted to look at the surrounding
context, you can see as I mentioned
[37:43] between 2003 and 2009, a lot of this is
been zoned AB. Uh you have some CC in
[37:49] here that we've recently reszoned, but
predominantly this is area wide business
[37:54] commercial.
And finally the
[37:59] um comparison between AB and AB2. You
can see here that uh in the AB column a
[38:06] lot of not permitted. Um but you get
over to AB2 and you get into more of a a
[38:12] higher level review with conditional
special exception. Gas station would be
[38:16] permitted. Warehousing and automotive
repair would be a special exception as
[38:20] well. So there are certainly some
differentiations between AB1 and
[38:25] stepping up to an AB2 uh zoning
designation. So that's all the staff
[38:30] has. Glad to answer any questions you
might have.
[38:33] » Peter, if you would return to the
surrounding context u
[38:38] overview. Yeah.
[38:46] » Okay.
>> Mr. Stone, I have one question too. the
[38:49] the parcel that's 1110 on that map is a
preschool or some sort of a daycare, I
[38:57] think, isn't it?
>> That's correct. It's a daycare.
[38:59] » Okay.
[39:03] » So, there's still quite a number of
county um parcels in the immediate area.
[39:09] Correct. Am I reading the map properly?
>> That's that's correct. everything
[39:12] without a layer on it and just uh that
would be within the four mile you have a
[39:16] lot of the four mile community
>> here and this was a part of the four
[39:21] mile community. Um Hunger Neck Boulevard
was built in 2003.
[39:24] » Mhm.
>> And um this uh this kind of has taken on
[39:30] different identity since.
>> Okay.
[39:33] All right. Um questions for Mr. Stone um
immediately. If not, we'll we'll ask the
[39:38] applicant to speak.
if they're here.
[39:44] Is the applicant present?
[39:49] No.
Okay.
[39:53] Um, so any further questions for Mr.
Stone on this? If not, maybe we can have
[39:58] a motion.
>> U public um I'm sorry public hearing.
[40:02] Yeah, I apologize. Is there anyone who
would like to speak on this uh
[40:06] particular proposal?
[40:11] Okay, seeing none, we'll close the uh
the public hearing.
[40:15] » Yeah, thanks for correcting me. Go
ahead.
[40:17] » I move to approve to reszone AB2.
>> Motion's made. Is there a second?
[40:25] » Okay. Is there another motion?
[40:31] » I move to deny.
[40:36] » I'll second.
>> Okay. Motion's made by Mr. Davis,
[40:40] seconded by Miss Sanford to deny the
request to reszone. Um, all those in
[40:46] favor say I.
>> I.
[40:48] » I.
>> I.
[40:50] » Opposed.
>> One opposed. Okay. Motion to deny
[40:55] carries.
All right. Uh, 7 C, a public hearing for
[41:02] 1076 and 1096 Beehive Road.
[41:08] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
This is a request for um an aggregate of
[41:14] a total of 1.36 acres. Both of these
lots are evenly 0.68.
[41:21] Uh the really the origin of this request
came from sewer and water being
[41:27] available and this these two properties
are contiguous. So, um they are required
[41:34] to request annexation. Of course, you
know, if if it is eventually denied,
[41:38] they would still have ability to gain
water and sewer.
[41:42] » So, this is the the property. Um, it is
directly across from Tupelo just to kind
[41:49] of give you some some surrounding um
context. So, it is important to discuss
[41:56] the existing zoning conditions prior to
talking about the the proposed.
[42:01] So I want to cover this and
this is currently in the county. It's in
[42:07] the 10mi historic district. It is with
it's inside of the urban growth boundary
[42:13] and that current moratorum ordinance um
still will apply until July of 26.
[42:20] So I I bring this up because we have had
a lot of discussion on this subject, but
[42:26] of all of the properties that we've had
these discussions on, this one is pretty
[42:30] straightforward because it is within the
urban growth boundary. And in speaking
[42:36] with the county,
this was um let's see,
[42:42] in speaking with the county, um I I
asked about their their plans for their
[42:46] 10mi overlay district because I wanted
to make sure that this request would be
[42:51] consistent with with that plan. And they
did agree that in the plan, and they're
[42:57] holding a public hearing on that um new
overlay plan on September 8th.
[43:03] And within that proposed plan, right
now, this this is uh remaining
[43:07] commercial, but the staff member let me
know that they want commercial within
[43:13] that overlay, but not to this level of
intensity. And I'll break down what I
[43:18] mean by that. Um, of course, you know
that the county's S3 is our town
[43:24] equivalent of CC, community
conservation. Mhm.
[43:28] » Community commercial within the county
is the equivalent of R AB2. So it's it's
[43:34] a very intense commercial. It has
intense density and they are not
[43:39] interested in carrying on that level of
intensity into this new overlay
[43:43] district. So it it was consistent in in
that fact and so it request to zone both
[43:50] parcels to community conservation
uh is consistent with the the county's
[43:55] plan and it's also consistent with our
future land use comprehensive plan. So
[44:01] uh those are the um kind of the salient
points on that. Again, I do have um some
[44:09] just kind of supplementary information
that you may want, but um glad to answer
[44:14] any questions you may have.
>> Any questions for Mr. Stone up front?
[44:19] » No, I'd love to see the supplementary
information, please.
[44:21] » Yeah, too.
>> So, this is the 10mi overlay plan that
[44:27] is uh currently being proposed and we'll
have a public hearing on September 8th.
[44:32] This is the parcel right here in red.
This is our subject parcel and here's
[44:36] the parcel um behind it. The plan is to
uh for this to remain commercial and for
[44:43] this to remain residential. But you can
see everything in red uh fronting
[44:47] highway 17 um would be commercial. This
is all going to remain just kind of an
[44:53] urban suburban um residential. And this
is your rural area. The the parcel that
[45:00] we talked about earlier that is close to
12 acres.
[45:04] Um, and because this is the urban growth
boundary line, uh, the density is
[45:08] different than it would be on this side.
Um, they're they're moving toward one
[45:13] unit per three acres past this urban
growth b boundary line. And since this
[45:18] is inside it, it definitely makes things
a little more simple and in reviewing a
[45:23] a reszoning request. the
[45:28] let's see. Oh, so this is the uh town
and county um zoning comparison just
[45:34] showing what what I mean by community
commercial within the county and the
[45:40] level of intensity of uses that it
provides versus the commercial and
[45:44] non-re residential uses you would get
from a community conservation because it
[45:49] is a um kind of a mistake to think that
CC community conservation is strictly
[45:55] residential. it has non-residential and
commercial uses within it that would fit
[46:01] in with what the county is currently
proposing.
[46:06] » And this is just all the the CC
non-residential uses that could be um
[46:11] applicable to the site if it if it is
zoned CC. So that's all the staff has
[46:16] right now.
>> Great. Thank you. Any further questions
[46:20] for Mr. Stone at the moment? Did I hear
you say correctly that the county is
[46:24] still in the public hearing process?
>> Correct.
[46:26] » Okay.
[46:30] » Also, one question. Um, the CC, the
parcel that's currently commercial in
[46:37] the county, if it came in and went to
CC, even though some of those uses would
[46:43] be allowed, you know, the sort of less
>> um invasive type of uses, they would be
[46:49] free to make it residential. I mean it's
up to the it's up to the developer or
[46:53] the owner. So um is this also part of
the moratorum on subdivisions? So that
[47:01] even though it's three per acre um if he
put if you count those two parcels
[47:07] together it would be six per acre and
maybe seven because there's an extra
[47:12] third of an acre and then that would not
be allowed right now. Is that is am I
[47:16] following that properly?
>> So I'll I'll take those one at a time.
[47:20] Okay.
>> Um, yes, with community conservation,
[47:23] that is the nice thing about that.
You're flexible to do residential, but
[47:26] you're also flexible to to move forward
with these non-residential and
[47:29] commercial uses.
>> The the moratorum would apply here, and
[47:35] it would be three units an acre. The
moratorum is for um anything five lots
[47:42] or more. The wording of it is four lots
or fewer is a minor subdivision, and
[47:47] those are those are exempt. Um but five
or more would be currently in with for
[47:55] the next year July of 26 those will be
prohibited.
[48:01] » Okay.
>> Okay. Additional questions for Mr.
[48:05] Stone.
If not we'll um request the applicant to
[48:10] uh present or provide an opportunity to
they present. Yes sir. Please, if you
[48:17] would, sir, um, state your name and
address for the record.
[48:21] » My name is
My name is Keith Barley.
[48:25] » Mhm.
>> And I reside at 103 Theodore Road in
[48:30] Owland.
>> Okay.
[48:32] » Um, you know, this piece of property has
been rather difficult piece of property
[48:36] to wrap our heads around on how to
develop it based on
[48:39] » all the uh different aspects of it,
whether in the county or coming into
[48:43] town of Mount Pleasant. But after going
through, you know, so many different um
[48:50] breakdowns and processes with the town
and the county on what's what's
[48:54] available, we've come to the conclusion,
we'd like to come into the town of Mount
[48:59] Pleasant, but we're looking at just
basically building two residential
[49:03] houses, one on each lot,
>> is kind of what our conclusion is based
[49:07] on as a commercial lot is basically not
large enough to really make sense to
[49:12] develop out with the requirements of
parking setbacks and everything. So,
[49:16] we're thinking just two residential um
houses, one on each lot,
[49:20] » would be the best use for it.
>> That's kind of where we're at with it,
[49:24] but we would like the annex in the town
of Mount Pleasant to do that.
[49:26] » Okay, great. Anything for the applicant
while we've got them.
[49:33] » Anything else, sir? Appreciate it. Thank
you.
[49:37] » Okay, this is a public hearing. Uh so if
there are comments from the public that
[49:42] um anyone would like to make on this
project, now would be the time for that.
[49:49] Okay. Seeing none, we will close the
public uh hearing portion of uh this
[49:54] particular proposal.
All right. Um further questions,
[49:59] comments, discussion, or maybe motions?
[50:04] » Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion. Um,
you know, I think on especially on that
[50:08] front parcel, it's obviously this is
more or less a downzoning in my opinion
[50:13] from what the county allows. Uh, so I'll
make a motion to approve
[50:17] » uh for annexation and reszoning to CC.
Great.
[50:21] » Second.
>> Motion made and seconded to reszone to
[50:24] community conservation.
Um, we'll take a vote. All those in
[50:29] favor say I.
>> I.
[50:30] » I.
>> Any opposed?
[50:33] Motion carries unanimously. Thank you,
sir. Appreciate it. Thanks, Peter. All
[50:37] right, we move to 7D.
Presentation from um engineering uh
[50:43] department.
>> Yes, she's leaving.
[50:48] » Um this is uh y'all, this is very
casual. This is just going to recap uh
[50:53] some things and uh hopefully it'll be
useful to some of y'all. And if y'all
[50:57] are on a schedule, I know it's the last
item on the agenda. Please feel free to
[51:01] exit on out. Um but I do, you know, want
it to be interactive. If so, if y'all
[51:05] have any questions as I kind of go
through this um very quickly, just a few
[51:09] minutes uh of a presentation.
And uh it kind of dawned on me last
[51:15] month that uh when I when we went
through some of the kind of the legacy
[51:20] type discussions on subdividing
property, is that maybe a a good
[51:26] uh presentation of how a lot gets
subdivided, some of the steps involved,
[51:31] the planning commission's roles and
responsibilities,
[51:35] um and then how it moves through the
building permit uh process, and uh and
[51:40] hopefully if we have enough time, we can
talk a little bit about the current
[51:43] workload and volume. But um last last
month I did hear that you know things
[51:50] were you had to approve a subdivision if
it met all lot dimensional requirements
[51:55] and I don't I I I tend to disagree with
that. Um I don't think that you are
[52:00] hamstrong into approving a subdivision
just because of lot dimensional
[52:05] requirements. There are many other
aspects that go into creating a new lot
[52:10] that uh that do need to be considered
and uh so hopefully this is kind of the
[52:15] start of maybe some discussion on what
those aspects can be. Uh starting from
[52:20] the very beginning um you know South
Carolina is a home rule uh state which
[52:26] means that um you know we are can make
up our own rules and regulations. We are
[52:32] not a creature of the state of South
Carolina. We we do abide by their rules
[52:38] and regulations, but we can create our
own rules and regulations as long as
[52:43] we're not in conflict with state
uh code. Also, another important piece
[52:49] is uh something you're probably already
familiar with is the 94 uh comprehensive
[52:54] uh enabling legislation um that kind of
sets the guidelines and standards for
[53:00] creating a comprehensive plan. every so
often because of that comprehensive
[53:04] plan. Uh the state does recognize and
support our zoning and land development
[53:10] regulations. Those are the two main
chapters when you go to subdivide
[53:14] property. Zoning of course that's land
use density and intensity and also the
[53:20] design value of what's being created. Uh
the land development regulations,
[53:27] the way I look at it, they do go hand
inand land development regulations are
[53:31] what I would consider kind of the tools
in the tool bag. They're a little bit
[53:34] more technical. They provide the
standards. Uh they have safety criteria.
[53:40] Uh they also ensure the integrity of uh
subdivisions infrastructure that's being
[53:46] installed. Um, and also, uh, they do
they're set up to also incorporate the
[53:54] or offset the larger impacts that a
subdivision would, um, would come with
[54:00] it. So, those two are somewhat jointly
related. And if you did read the state
[54:05] code, they would almost kind of marry
each other in their in their language.
[54:10] So, just the zoning real quick.
I uh hopefully some of y'all have read
[54:16] some of the uh some of the language
straight out of uh 62930
[54:21] that does give the planning commission
the powers and functions to make
[54:24] recommendations as it relates to the use
of building structures and land. Um also
[54:31] the density specifically says the
density of development. So as we talked
[54:36] about last month or the month before
that we can look at density criteria in
[54:42] in uh say the old village area if that
is so choose. Also uh open space size of
[54:50] yards that's setbacks the planning
commission can make recommendations on
[54:54] where that open space is located if it
needs to be moved. A lot of times you'll
[54:59] have open space calculations that are
surrounding ponds. Well, well, the open
[55:03] space around ponds, that's not exactly a
usable area. A kid can't throw a ball
[55:08] with his dad next to a pond, obviously.
So, you know, those type of of things
[55:14] can uh can create commentary or comments
and and you know, deferral of of
[55:21] subdivisions to uh to make sure that
that those type of aspects are part of a
[55:25] subdivision.
Also, uh it does specifically say other
[55:30] aspects. included tree preservation,
uh landscaping, which we really don't
[55:37] talk about landscaping. We are rarely
focused on trees, but landscaping is
[55:42] included in the state code, and that
allows the planning commission to make
[55:45] recommendations on buffer, lighting, and
curb cuts. So uh so there's a lot of
[55:52] elements that should be considered when
you do subdivide uh property that don't
[55:58] really you know uh have the uh the
attention that I you know I think it
[56:03] really should have. Um so
the process uh there were some questions
[56:11] I think over here Miss Sanford I believe
you last month you you you talked about
[56:15] how uh what the process was. So, I
created this neat little graphic here
[56:20] that kind of separates into 12 little
tick marks which kind of represent
[56:24] months, but that's not exactly how this
goes. This is somewhat of a an exhibit
[56:29] of uh of the steps that are involved
with subdividing property. Uh we have
[56:35] something called a DRT or development
review team that's made up of storm
[56:40] water transportation, Mount Pleasant
waterworks, planning department, fire
[56:44] department also uh joins us on
occasions. The first step is to contact
[56:50] our DRT coordinator Mave and she sets up
a a very high level meeting with the
[56:57] applicant and the applicant can set this
meeting up at no charge at any time they
[57:01] would like to set this up. There's no
set formal uh schedule for this. Um
[57:08] and that is sole purpose is to provide
high level feedback. If you're looking
[57:12] at buying a piece of property, you don't
know it's going to be subdivided. Have a
[57:16] DRT or DRT feasibility meeting with ME.
We all get together, look at it
[57:21] virtually. We talk to the applicant. We
let them know is the water and sewer
[57:25] available. Will they have to extend a
hydrant to get there? uh what access you
[57:30] know uh is going to be a concern the
trees that you know they need to
[57:34] understand what the tree regulations
are. So all that stuff is brought to
[57:37] them when they are even thinking about
either purchasing a property or how
[57:41] they're going to go about uh developing
the property. It's been very helpful uh
[57:47] to have that and most everybody that
I've been on at feasibility meeting has
[57:52] really appreciated the the commentary
and the feedback we've provided uh them
[57:57] because they're getting ready to make a
huge investment or expense with with
[58:01] engineering and surveying to get to the
next level.
[58:04] The next step uh it's a little bit more
structured. We do have a monthly
[58:08] schedule with the DR uh the DRT uh
review. We call that a conceptual plan.
[58:15] That is okay. You've gone to the next
step. You've got scaled engineering
[58:18] drawings. You have your tree survey. Uh
you have your uh your other elements
[58:23] that you've investigated. You submit
about two weeks ahead of the the
[58:28] deadline or you submit prior to the
deadline. And that deadline gives us
[58:34] about four weeks to get the review and
comments done and back to the applicant.
[58:40] Okay. So, I've got uh two one and a half
ticks here. It that's that would be a
[58:47] very good cemental. Okay. Uh a lot of
times we have comments and they'll
[58:51] resubmit. We'll review and we'll provide
maybe another commentary or two, but we
[58:56] we end up trying to get them uh through
the process. But if everything works
[59:00] very well and it's an easy simple one
lot into two, it usually takes about a
[59:05] month and a half to kind of get through
a conceptual step from there. That's
[59:11] where it uh it has to meet the planning
commission uh deadline which is monthly
[59:16] of course and uh and that's about a
month four weeks ahead of the scheduled
[59:21] meeting. Uh and then we present, you
know, a very uh scaledback staff version
[59:27] if there's any remaining comments that
um with the application that we will
[59:33] read them aloud here for you guys. And
um and then that moves through in about
[59:38] a month. And if there's no
infrastructure involved with this
[59:42] subdivision, if it's one light into two,
you can actually from your planning
[59:46] commission with a favorable uh vote, you
can actually move into a final plat
[59:52] which gets authorized at staff level. So
there shouldn't be really too much left
[59:57] if you're doing a simple subdivision.
Now, if you're dedicating infrastructure
[1:00:01] to the town, it does get a little bit
more involved because there is another
[1:00:05] step of technical review.
that is the engineer has developed
[1:00:12] construction drawings to install the
streets, drainage, pond,
[1:00:17] uh water, sewer, they have their storm
water, sediment, rose control. A lot
[1:00:22] goes into that. You know, four four
months is very tight. uh you know
[1:00:29] sometimes the applicant is working on
that concurrently as he's moving through
[1:00:33] but once they get planning commission
approval they become vested and then
[1:00:38] they're able they're able or guaranteed
to actually go through with their
[1:00:42] development plan.
Um and of course we provide comments. It
[1:00:47] goes back to the applicant. they address
the comments and then it will eventually
[1:00:54] um
go through and get a final DRT stamp and
[1:00:59] that does include the MS4 which is their
water quality and uh and then they're
[1:01:04] able to move through with the
construction. Now construction takes
[1:01:08] years. So just for this exhibit it just
shows a number of ticks but
[1:01:14] so when they install the infrastructure
we have our own inspectors. the town
[1:01:18] does. We have four field inspectors. Two
of them, they look at the SWIP, which is
[1:01:24] the storm water pollution prevention
plan, and the tree protection zone. They
[1:01:28] provide a clearing and grading permit
before they even start construction. Uh
[1:01:34] they are out there with the uh
contractor walking the site, making sure
[1:01:39] that the tree protection's up, making
sure the silt fence is up, the
[1:01:42] construction entrance is in. Then they
authorize a clearing and grading for
[1:01:46] them to move forward.
The other two inspectors, those are our
[1:01:51] roadway and our storm uh water
inspectors or storm water pipe
[1:01:55] inspectors. They actually follow the
project much closely um working with the
[1:02:01] contractor when they uh do the uh the
mass grading, the rough grading for the
[1:02:06] road, the subgrade, the base course and
the asphalt. and and of course the pipe
[1:02:11] gets inspected when it when it's
delivered and it gets inspected when
[1:02:14] it's in the trench and again it gets
inspected uh the compaction gets
[1:02:18] expected at that at lifts throughout the
installation of the storm water pipe. So
[1:02:23] there's a lot that kind of goes into uh
installing the infrastructure to make
[1:02:27] sure that it's when it's turned over to
the town of Mount Pleasant, we have
[1:02:30] something that is going to last and it's
not going to be a burden to the
[1:02:33] taxpayers.
Um, so they move through the
[1:02:38] construction process,
the final plat process, then that occurs
[1:02:43] at the very end of that process. Whereas
if it didn't have infrastructure, it
[1:02:47] could have occurred in a month or two
after the planning commission, but
[1:02:52] because of the construction process, it
does occur much later. That is the final
[1:02:57] leverage and authority um that holds the
developer to uh make sure that he does
[1:03:04] everything he needs to do to have all
the infrastructure in place before he is
[1:03:09] able to sell property. When the
subdivision plaque gets authorized,
[1:03:15] uh they provide the two-year warranty,
they provide the bond, they provide the
[1:03:19] certification for work material and
workmanship, they provide the u permits
[1:03:25] to operate for the water and sewer. Uh
tree mitigation is also done. And um
[1:03:32] there's a whole checklist and the final
inspection reports from our field
[1:03:35] engineers. Uh they're all submitted in
one package. It gets signed by staff and
[1:03:41] then they take that final plat go to the
Charleston RD office create the lots.
[1:03:46] The county gives them tax map numbers
and then they become taxable
[1:03:51] transferable fee simple lots to be sold
to individuals to then go then go
[1:03:58] vertical.
So from land development now you've got
[1:04:04] your individual lots you got your
infrastructure in now the uh the
[1:04:09] homeowner or whoever wants to go
vertical. Well the folks that are
[1:04:14] involved with that that is a combination
planning department they look there the
[1:04:19] authority of zoning authority of lot
orientation and setbacks.
[1:04:25] The engineering development services
that is my team which is the engineering
[1:04:30] develop engineering and environmental
division. We look at the tree standards.
[1:04:36] This is for single family residents only
by the way. Tree standards, your storm
[1:04:41] water uh management plan. We ensure the
quality of the survey and the and the
[1:04:46] physical conditions
are all incorporated into the submitt.
[1:04:52] Um, and then the storm water, you know,
we look at that from a perspective of
[1:04:56] the common enemy rule, uh, which is kind
of like the golden rule is what I call
[1:05:01] is like take care of your own water.
Don't cast your water over to your
[1:05:05] neighbors. Make sure that your water is
going to where it should be going to the
[1:05:10] front or the back. Um, and also don't
impede the flow of water that's coming
[1:05:16] off site. You actually have to manage if
it's naturally if you're on a hill and
[1:05:20] you're developing downhill, you have to
manage that water that's coming to you
[1:05:25] around your property. You cannot impede
the flow of of water from offsite if
[1:05:30] it's naturally coming in your direction.
So you can't impede and you can't impact
[1:05:34] is what we say.
Um and also we look at it from a safety
[1:05:39] aspects too. Um you know the access
points and and things of that nature. So
[1:05:45] that's what you know we do and we we
take a look at it and then uh you know
[1:05:48] we have the trees located on there as
well. So concurrently with the the the
[1:05:53] review our building uh inspections
division they look at the IBC the
[1:05:58] vertical stuff and and they're the ones
that are responsible for the building
[1:06:02] permit administration. So
[1:06:07] so going just a little bit more into
that um that's the roles and authority.
[1:06:12] This is the workflow. So, if an
applicant comes into the town, uh, they
[1:06:17] want to pull a building permit. We have
an online portal. It's called Oracle,
[1:06:23] and they're able to upload their plans
through our website. Now, this is fairly
[1:06:28] new. I think it's about six, eight
months, been around. Uh, so we're still
[1:06:32] working the kind of the the bugs and the
kinks out a little bit, but has been
[1:06:35] very effective in tracking uh what we do
internally.
[1:06:40] Uh all applications come through the
building permit division.
[1:06:45] A part of that application we have the
site plan review that goes in the
[1:06:50] planning department looks at it as well
as my division looks at it for the storm
[1:06:55] water and trees. That's all part of one
bundle when it comes in.
[1:07:00] uh our our guys, they go out and they do
a courtesy site inspection to ensure the
[1:07:06] tree accuracy and and to identify and
recognize any other kind of unique site
[1:07:11] conditions that could be that could be
missing from their plan. Um and then
[1:07:17] also then once that's done, they become
building permit eligible.
[1:07:22] Once they become uh once the building
inspection department is done with their
[1:07:26] review uh then they actually release the
building permit at that time. So we hold
[1:07:31] the building permit until we actually
have visited the site. We've looked at
[1:07:35] the trees. We've looked at the storm
water and then they're released for the
[1:07:41] building the building permit. We do the
tree protection zone um inspections. We
[1:07:47] also do the erosion control inspections
all at the same time. Uh that's the
[1:07:52] initial inspection. We don't really go
back to that site throughout the
[1:07:55] development process. We only go back to
that site if it's needed. And we also
[1:08:00] have a final inspection that's all
programmed into this software that we
[1:08:06] have. So
um
[1:08:10] uh and then the building division
releases the certificate of occupancy.
[1:08:15] Any questions on that particular one?
It's, you know, very scaled down, but it
[1:08:19] is a fairly good process where we do
have the checks and balances we need by
[1:08:25] holding the building permit until the
site inspections done. They check off
[1:08:29] internally when they have completed it
and then they become eligible for
[1:08:33] building permit. So, it's
>> it's very structured process. Yes,
[1:08:38] ma'am.
>> One question. When you say other
[1:08:40] inspections as needed, is that if there
is somebody who complains about the site
[1:08:46] or if the applicant comes back and says
something has changed, I've got an
[1:08:50] issue.
>> Both. Yeah, both. If we get a complaint,
[1:08:54] we go back out to the site.
>> Our guys have already established
[1:08:59] hopefully a good positive relationship
with the builder. the builder, you know,
[1:09:03] his main objective is to finish his
project and so he's willing and able to
[1:09:08] cooperate most of the time uh to get
whatever is the issue is resolved. Um
[1:09:16] because he knows a little bit of grading
is very inexpensive to do. Um but yes,
[1:09:22] that is yes, they go back as needed and
we kind of anticipate some problems too.
[1:09:28] So,
so that is their that is their kind of
[1:09:31] scaled down process. So, shifting gears
a little bit.
[1:09:35] » Can I ask one question?
>> Yes, ma'am.
[1:09:37] » Is that inclusive of where I see at
number five certificate of occupancy?
[1:09:42] So, does that include the construction
process too of like electrical rough
[1:09:46] inspection, plumbing rough in
inspection?
[1:09:50] » Yep. I did not include that because
we're just focusing on the storm water
[1:09:54] tree and the site plan review. But if I
were to include that, there'd be a whole
[1:09:59] list of those type items,
>> right,
[1:10:02] » that run concurrently with our
inspection. So, yes, that is that's all
[1:10:06] incorporated into that Oracle package
there.
[1:10:09] » And Kevin, if you would um a page or two
back, um the two-year warranty, explain
[1:10:14] that.
>> Yeah, that two-year warranty.
[1:10:18] » Yeah. Uh well, it's it's been standard
ever since I've been here is to have the
[1:10:24] developer and engineer uh or developer
and contractor sign off on the material
[1:10:29] and workmanship and the developer
certifying that he will uh warranty this
[1:10:36] uh dedication of the infrastructure for
a two-year period. It is a certification
[1:10:41] and it's notorized, certified, put in.
We also have a 20% cost of total
[1:10:46] infrastructure that is also submitted in
a financial guarantee to support that
[1:10:51] which isn't much but als more more or
less represents
[1:10:57] the uh the intent of the owner
dedicating this and being complete. If
[1:11:04] there are serious problems of course
then you get into the the legal world of
[1:11:08] of back and forth and they get
consultants. We get consultants. doesn't
[1:11:12] last for many many years, but there is
that show of intent. It is supposed to
[1:11:17] last for at least two years with and we
do a warranty inspection as well before
[1:11:23] we release the bond.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a lot that
[1:11:28] is submitted with those final plat
packages that um that you know legally
[1:11:34] covers this the best we possibly can.
Uh
[1:11:40] so touching a little bit on workload and
I'll be done. So uh something that many
[1:11:47] folks may not be aware of uh I created
this little chart here um with some
[1:11:53] information that I received from our
building inspections division. Uh this
[1:11:58] graph shows the past five years of what
building permits that are not upfits,
[1:12:05] which means all building permits that
are submitted to the town that don't uh
[1:12:10] that are outside of an upfit. That's
inside improvement like decks, uh ADUs,
[1:12:17] uh new homes.
That's what these numbers represent. Uh
[1:12:23] the bottom orange numbers represent the
new homes and the top uh represents
[1:12:29] everything else the non non homes. So as
you can see from 2021 we kind of peaked
[1:12:37] and we're trending every year down and
so far 2025 seems to be a little bit
[1:12:43] more of an uptick on the new residential
homes that we that we receive. But still
[1:12:50] it is still going to be in a downward uh
type of trend. And just to give you a
[1:12:56] sense of scale and workload that 2023
that monthly average is 70
[1:13:04] and uh 68 for 2024.
Uh that's how many permit applications
[1:13:10] that go through that process that we
just talked about uh with our siden with
[1:13:16] our two sight inspectors. So um
so yeah the average that the yellow line
[1:13:24] is the average is 922 permits every year
that our build inspection department
[1:13:29] administers
>> that um Kevin
[1:13:32] » that you know I think it's worth
>> talking about
[1:13:35] » the all others that's external stuff
right and would that include pools
[1:13:40] » pools addition decks ADUs etc like you
said additions okay
[1:13:45] » yes ma'am yeah we Our stormwater team
inspects the pools,
[1:13:52] » the additions, the decks. So they uh
they you know they have to take it
[1:13:59] through their process um everything but
kind of upsets because you're really not
[1:14:02] doing anything.
>> So I had a question go back to the
[1:14:05] previous chart. So 2025 are those
numbers to date or are they annualized
[1:14:10] because we still have four months left
in the year.
[1:14:12] » Right. No, that's just to date. So, if
you were annualize that number, you
[1:14:17] think it' be closer to 2024?
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah, we'll probably be closer
[1:14:22] to 2024 total. Probably a little bit
more
[1:14:26] » new homes, I think.
>> So, it's kind of stable in like maybe
[1:14:29] even closer to 2023 then. So, so there's
really not a downturn as you if if you
[1:14:35] go back and analyze all this. Well, if
you want me to go back to 1999 and look
[1:14:41] at the chart, then we will definitely
see a downturn from from two early 2000s
[1:14:48] the way we were developing to the last
two five years. Um, you would see a much
[1:14:54] significant difference between these
numbers and those numbers.
[1:14:57] » And is the takeaway for us that th this
volume is more manageable for the
[1:15:02] department or what what what should we
conclude from? takeaway is is uh you
[1:15:07] know I think there's there's there's
kind of a little bit of a misconception
[1:15:11] that uh those one or two problem
children out there we want to say that's
[1:15:16] just one of you know 800 that we've
already seen that entire year.
[1:15:23] uh you know we've had 700 that have
actually been a successful process uh
[1:15:30] and have gone successfully through a
process but there's that small few that
[1:15:34] seems to get a lot of attention
and uh we spend a lot of time on those
[1:15:40] small handful that um that sometimes
there's really no solution honestly uh
[1:15:46] you know we you know it is what it is
and and you know we do the best we can
[1:15:51] to manage it but you know those are the
ones that seem to get a lot of the
[1:15:54] attention when there's 800 that we've
already
[1:15:58] uh uh managed and and brought through
the process. And and lastly, this is my
[1:16:03] last slide here, is is this is done by
two uh storm water code guys. So, I'm
[1:16:09] the deputy director. I do have project
engineer that looks at all the other
[1:16:14] projects that come through the town, the
commercial as well, but uh she helps me
[1:16:18] with she actually manages the uh the
single family uh code uh program and we
[1:16:25] have two code inspectors and those two
code inspectors, their main job is to
[1:16:30] build a good relationship with the
builder and owner. include the owner in
[1:16:34] as much as possible with what they're
doing because the builder is telling the
[1:16:38] owner and the owner's you know getting
upset and you know so I tell them to
[1:16:44] include the owner as much as they
possibly can when when matters and
[1:16:48] issues come up. So so that's it. I you
know I I want to end with uh you know
[1:16:55] this is a kind of an open discussion.
And this is for y'all to consider, look
[1:17:00] at,
uh, have any ideas. I can come back next
[1:17:04] month. We can talk about density
calculations,
[1:17:08] other things that are going on in the
town. We can, uh, we can show some
[1:17:13] examples of our storm water uh, designs
and some of the things we we do review.
[1:17:19] We can we can provide some examples.
There's also there's character defining
[1:17:24] features that we don't really talk about
such as fences. I was in I'm in the old
[1:17:28] village a good bit. Uh the fences that
are going up are very noticeable in a
[1:17:34] lot of these larger homes that are being
built. They're now putting up these huge
[1:17:39] fences that go all the way to the
rightway. So that really changes the
[1:17:46] character of of the neighborhood in my
opinion is when you block off that view.
[1:17:53] Um so that doesn't get any discussion at
at planning commission at least not that
[1:17:58] what I've heard. There's also density.
You know the scale is what we've what
[1:18:02] we've talked about as well. Uh we also
something that might be worth presenting
[1:18:07] to is a residential low impact program.
um environmental uh managers kind of
[1:18:12] moving through the uh green commission
with that and and uh it might be worth
[1:18:17] you know uh for him to come and and give
you an example of you know what they're
[1:18:23] planning on doing. Also another thing
that we're doing it's very interesting
[1:18:27] is that is the sea level rise study.
We've targeted a couple of areas.
[1:18:32] They've got this GIS model that shows
the ocean as it comes in in 2050 and how
[1:18:38] it recedes and what areas it it actually
covers and the depth of those areas. We
[1:18:44] looked at, you know, two areas right now
in town. That's the end of Hadel Street
[1:18:47] and then up there around Daryl Creek
Commonwealth area.
[1:18:52] uh we will be releasing that and putting
that on the internet uh pretty soon but
[1:18:59] um you know I'd be happy to come and and
present the the findings of those two
[1:19:05] those studies as well that of course
could also result in planning commission
[1:19:10] issues because
that's going to have a perception of a
[1:19:15] threat that's going to be coming into
the folks that live on the uh the marsh
[1:19:19] area and you know information is going
to be valuable and it's going to be key
[1:19:22] in that situation because there's going
to be some hysteria and you know fear
[1:19:27] mongling that's going to go on. So, uh
having good information for residents uh
[1:19:32] is going to be our our main objective in
that particular u item. And then also
[1:19:38] we're looking at wetland ordinances too.
So
[1:19:43] we're just now kind of embarking on
that. City of Bluton has approved
[1:19:47] wetland ordinances for them. The mayor
is uh wanting us to draft up some
[1:19:52] wetland ordinance that are similar to
the Bluffton ordinances and we are kind
[1:19:57] of moving through that right now. Uh but
yes, we be happy to present those or
[1:20:03] anything else that the planning
commission would like to see or or be a
[1:20:07] little bit more knowledgeable on.
Um so that's what the purpose of this
[1:20:11] presentation is. Sorry to take so much
time.
[1:20:14] » No, thank you. um input and um
prioritization on these topics or others
[1:20:19] for Kevin thoughts.
>> I think this is great. The only other
[1:20:23] thing I can think of that I'm always
curious about is the commercial side of
[1:20:27] things. So you were talking about the
single family,
[1:20:30] » but so many times by the time we see
something a commercial plan presented,
[1:20:35] » it's been undergoing a lot of work and
sometimes developers will say it's been
[1:20:39] several years. And so I'm kind of
curious about that, you know, to how can
[1:20:44] we get a better handle on it earlier,
>> right,
[1:20:47] » before things go so far that developers
get upset when they don't get what they
[1:20:52] » I'll I'll make a note of that and we
will uh I'll go through the commercial
[1:20:56] process and we could consider, you know,
>> what that all entails. Uh DRB gets
[1:21:03] involved with that. Design review board
also gets involved with that. So
[1:21:07] » uh yeah, I think that's a great topic.
We'll we'll definitely roll something
[1:21:10] out and have something similar for you
next month.
[1:21:12] » Thank you.
>> Other suggestions or requests of Kevin,
[1:21:18] » Kevin Barry, you don't really want to
hear anything about storm water.
[1:21:22] » Well, I've heard a lot about it. Um, but
uh I I Kevin, I like these topics. I
[1:21:27] mean, I think uh the density
calculations may be good for the group.
[1:21:31] And then you brought up a good point on
the fences. Um,
[1:21:34] » you know, that that's a topic,
>> you know, I'm not sure, you know, where
[1:21:38] or how we could would fall in with that,
but um, but it would be good something
[1:21:43] to look at because I, as far as I know,
there's no regulations associated with
[1:21:47] it. Um,
>> no, there's not. Uh, and and folks will
[1:21:51] put up a tall wood stockade fence that
is a wall. It's a, you know, it's a wall
[1:21:56] and it goes straight to the ground.
and think about it if everybody else
[1:22:01] did, you know, what that would do to the
actual subdivision itself. So,
[1:22:05] » and the village historic district
preservation commission doesn't follow
[1:22:09] the guidelines very closely in that
regard.
[1:22:12] » And I can think of one example um in an
area that does not have an HOA, but it's
[1:22:17] not the old village where a homeowner
has put up these huge it looks like
[1:22:22] something going to Windsor Castle. It's
like big brick,
[1:22:26] » you know, front fence thing with I I
swear they're probably going to have
[1:22:29] lions on the top of the things. Um, and
that is also sort of interesting that it
[1:22:34] creates a very different feel for the
neighborhood.
[1:22:37] » But there's no HOA. I mean, in mine, we
couldn't we wouldn't allow that, but you
[1:22:41] know, in places where they don't have
those rules,
[1:22:45] » and that can be very tricky when you
talk about aesthetics,
[1:22:49] » things of that nature. But, you know,
the the scale and dimension, we don't
[1:22:54] have anything and and the um and the
opakquakeness of it all, right? You
[1:22:58] know, whether it's a big brick wall or a
fence, stockgate fence. Um Kevin, as as
[1:23:04] suggested a little earlier, I think the
density calculations uh primmer on that
[1:23:09] would make a lot of sense for us right
now, especially given the conversation
[1:23:12] we've had or maybe the ongoing
conversation we had the last two or
[1:23:16] three sessions and you know some of the
concern and pressure that we're hearing
[1:23:20] from citizens around um you know the
community on on that very matter. So
[1:23:26] more we can understand how to measure
and evaluate that I think the better
[1:23:31] served could be.
>> Yeah.
[1:23:32] » Okay. Yeah. I'll be happy to.
>> Yeah. Mr. D.
[1:23:35] » Yeah. So I have one question. So the sea
level rise. So
[1:23:37] » Yes sir.
>> Can you explain that? I mean we're not
[1:23:39] the aisle of palms. We're not Sullivan.
>> We're not.
[1:23:41] » And so is this be because of the marsh
or just you know just what's the point
[1:23:46] of all that one?
>> Yeah. We're not we're not uh saying that
[1:23:49] the town of Mount Pleasant uh is
anywhere close to being a condition like
[1:23:54] Alapons or Sullivan's Island. Uh we are
saying that there are some pockets and
[1:23:59] areas within the town
>> that they will and already are seeing
[1:24:05] some uh some changes in in some of the u
their environment when it comes to high
[1:24:12] tides and getting rid of
>> like like Longpoint Road and areas like
[1:24:17] that.
>> Yes sir. Longpoint Road will be one of
[1:24:19] our lowest points. Matter of fact,
Williams Street in the old village is
[1:24:23] elevation 3.4 four mean sea level and
that is
[1:24:27] » uh that is the lowest point I think in
Mount Pleasant there and they flood even
[1:24:33] on a sunny day at a at a regular high
tide they get water in the street so
[1:24:38] » uh they're going to be significantly
impacted um in 50 years
[1:24:43] » but it's time to kind of
>> provide that kind of information because
[1:24:47] it's already being talked about you know
so having information available to
[1:24:53] residents that are concerned concerns
that they hear gossiping and things like
[1:24:57] that about how bad it's going to be or
or what the conditions are. I think it'd
[1:25:01] be good to have reliable information for
those concerned citizens that we have in
[1:25:07] those low areas.
>> Yeah, I agree with that. I I agree with
[1:25:09] that 100%.
>> Anything else?
[1:25:13] » In in rough form, I think you've got
some sense for the interest and
[1:25:17] priorities. So,
>> great.
[1:25:19] » Yeah. Uh let's uh we can do the sea
level rise in a couple of months. We can
[1:25:23] do the commercial review process next
week and then we could talk about some
[1:25:27] of the density calculations.
>> Could you do the commercial the month
[1:25:31] after next because I'm not going to be
here next month and I want to hear it
[1:25:34] density
>> point of personal you know we'll talk
[1:25:38] about density at next month and then uh
>> we'll do the commercial after that.
[1:25:43] » Okay. Thank you so much.
>> Okay. Thank you'all.
[1:25:45] » Thank you
>> David. rules of procedure for 2025 or
[1:25:51] maybe that was M.
>> Yep. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, that
[1:25:54] actually goes hand inand with what Kev
was discussing. This was brought up by
[1:25:58] Miss Ireland of getting items on the
agenda uh sponsored by uh members of the
[1:26:04] body. So, this is a based on what we
heard uh last month. I've revised the
[1:26:11] text in the this proposed revision and
uh would just need y'all to vote up or
[1:26:18] down on whether you're okay with the
language and that would allow for a
[1:26:23] member of the body with at least um two
additional sponsoring board members and
[1:26:28] at least 15 days in advance to add
agenda items to the meeting.
[1:26:32] » I move to adopt the leg of the language
as amended, should I say.
[1:26:37] » Second.
Okay.
[1:26:41] Any discussion? If not, we'll call for a
vote. All those in favor say I. I.
[1:26:45] » Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
Great. I think that makes a lot of
[1:26:50] sense. Thanks for that, uh, gentlemen.
Okay, I think we're adjourned.
[1:26:55] » Thank you.
[1:27:08] See you Peter.