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Oh, I don't like this position.

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Condition.

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charges over.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» Better.
>> Okay. Thank you. So,

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I'd like to call this meeting to order.
Today, May 19 at 7:05

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p.m., this is a work session of the
mayor and council and is in person here

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at Pot Hall. Um, first item, the agenda
is called to order. Um, Danielle,

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» Mike,

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first item is called to order. Second is
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» I'm calling to order. So
>> Oh, I thought you asked me to read the

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agenda.
>> I'm asking you to say here.

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» Here.
>> Jenny

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» present.
>> Joseph

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» present.
>> Valerie,

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» I'm here.
>> Okay, I'm here. So, it's a full quorum.

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500. Item number two, review of the
agenda. Five minutes. The mayor and

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councel review the agenda for the
meeting, adding or deleting topics of

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interest or discussion.
Um, so you we already did call to order.

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We, you know, are reviewing the agenda
right now. Item number three is update

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discussion the 3200 Row Island Avenue
property. We will receive um an update

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from the owner 3200 block of Rland
Avenue. Um, presentation discussion and

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missing middle housing study draft
strategies. It's a 20-minut discussion.

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Uh, mayor and council receive a
presentation from Prince George's County

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Planning Department on the missing
middle housing study draft strategies

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and provide feedback and
recommendations.

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Presentation, discussion on tree
commission report. Mayor Council receive

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a report from the tree commissioners.
Presentation and discussion for of the

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city ordinance. Uh, 20 minutes. The city
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the following ordinance to the mayor and
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It just might have there's like a big
space in between. All right. Ordinance

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04-2026
amending the code of the city of Mariner

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by repealing and reacting chapter 7
license and permits for the purpose of

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systemically revising provisions that
absolutely and efficient or do not

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reflect actual city code compliance
activities and to reorganize its

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provision for greater clarity and
efficiency. Efficiency of enforcement

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and transferring section 1-01-107

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A illegal evictions to chapter 10 peace
and order as section 10-1 to3A

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ordinance 05-2026 amending the code of
the city of Marina chapter 9 parking

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meters to eliminate parking meters and
provide for the establishment of paid

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parking zones as a mean of charging for
parking and says and said zones

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ordinance 06-2026
Six. I made the code of the city of

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Mareno chapter 13 traffic uh to revise
and transfer fines previous privilege

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set forward in the city fee schedule and
make certain other minor revisions

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ordinance 07-2026
amend the code of the city of Marina

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chapter 3 building code section 3-105
permit fees to clarify the fees for

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demolition permits for building of 500
square feet amend chapter 3A standard

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for property maintenance
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violations and penalties to increase the
fines for certain violations. Amending

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chapter 6 health and nuisance section
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penalty to conform to penalty to amount
set forward previously in the mounter

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fee schedule amending chapter 12 street
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removal of snow le of freezing rain to
revise and transfer fines previously set

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forward by the fee schedule amending
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penalty to increase fines to certain
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violations of ordinance section 16-103
fines payments of fi fines payments of

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fines in section 16-106 failure to pay
fines to implement authority granted by

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the Maryland general assembly to
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infractions from 1,000 to 5,000 item
number seven presentation and discussion

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of emergency ordinance 02-2026
council will discuss emergency ordinance

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09-2026 budget amendment number Two.
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discussion on the third quarter of
finance report 20 minutes. City manager

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Kamali Kouch. Oh, sorry. Kuru Kamali uh
finance consultant Ronda Wilson will

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present the FY226 quarter uh third
quarter financial report. Item number

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nine, presentation discussion resolution
06-2026

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ordinance O82026.
Mayor uh car will present resolution 06

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20226 ordinance 08 2026 establishing the
governoring of the city's uh son

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problem.
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legislative priorities and Daniel will
present a suggested turn practice for

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the council and city manager will create
the annual legislative priority list

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number 11 presentation discussion
legislative priorities council will

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discuss the legislative priorities for
the city uh including the Maryland

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municipal leagues uh in the state that
should read larks in case people don't

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know presentation discussion business
round table council member power will

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present a proposal business roundt
discussion item number 13 and and

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discussion on hybrid options on council
meetings. Council discuss potential

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having a hybrid option for council
meetings. Item number 14 presentation

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discussion FI27 legislative session
council uh customer half hour present a

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proposal begin FI27 legislative session
with a work session set a legislative

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meeting.
Item number 15 presentation discussion

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appointment members follow MUTC men.
Councelor Jakuda will present proposed

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appointment to the LA LTC number 16 uh
presentation of minutes. The city clerk

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present the minutes for May 5th
legislative meeting uh minutes a journ.

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And for coming events we have Marenia
Pride uh celebration June 27, 2026. And

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just a reminder, May is Asian-American,
Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander um

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heritage month and Jewish American
Heritage Month, both uh by proclamation

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and ornance as well. So you can find
them in the website and and they're

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there. All right. So you guys have heard
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council. I need to know if there's
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what are what is the plan? If there's
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we'll move to proceed. Anybody needs the
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» Joseph,
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either removing item number three or
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in case they do show up.

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» Okay. How about can we leave it as is
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then we'll come back to it.
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the end and they don't come, then
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here.
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Nothing. All right. So, I need to hear a
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this agenda as presented. So, Valerie,
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» Joseph,
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» Jenny,
>> I approve.

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» Daniel,
>> I approve.

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» All right. So, we have a working agenda.
Um, unanimously support for the agenda

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we have in front of us. All right. So
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hold uh until until the people uh from
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agreement of that. So whatever time it
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We're good because you guys are doing a

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lot of signals and I'm not sure what you
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you LMTC people are not here. You don't
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Okay. Because that's going to be that's
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Joseph, you're
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be here at 7:30.
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minutes. So that should be fine. sign
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come to next meeting when we vote on it.
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just more like a read through. All
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» Hi. All right. Perfect. Okay. All right.
So, we have um item number four will be

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the next one. Presentation discussion on
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strategies. The Americans presentation
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and the missing middle house study draft
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recommendations. Who do we have here
from? Hi. Can you go ahead and press

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that button so it shows green so that
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so we know who you guys are?
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» Good evening. Uh my name is Karen Muro.
I'm one of the housing planners in

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Prince George's County Planning
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the missing middle housing study. And
joining me in giving you this

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presentation tonight is John Parks.
>> Hi, good afternoon um or good evening.

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My name is uh John Parks. I'm also
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George's County Planning Department and
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missing middle housing study.
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the supervisor of our NRS section in the
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division chief of community planning
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here with us today. Um Andrea Gillis and
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I want to get their full names for you.
So, it's great to be back here uh with

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you. As you may remember, we gave you
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virtually a few months ago. So, it's
great that you have that background as

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we're drilling down into more specifics
about the study. And tonight, what we're

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going to talk about is the draft
recommendations and strategies and then

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specific to um Mount Reneers and COC.
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of background for you. Uh could you go
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Thank you. As some of you are aware,
many other jurisdictions across the

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United States have undertaken a process
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affordability, and choices. We believe
that missing middle housing can be an

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additional way the county can meet those
housing needs and goals. This how

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housing shortage is experienced by both
renters and homeowners alike. That is,

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even when a household can afford to rent
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appropriately sized or priced unit
available in their area. This gap means

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that middle-income families have
difficulty finding appropriate housing

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in Prince George's County. But it also
means that current residents lack

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options to age in place, explore
first-time home ownership, and otherwise

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find homes that either aren't high-rise
apartment buildings or single family

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homes.
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range of missing middle housing types
and areas throughout the county, examine

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current barriers and opportunities, and
provide recommendations to create a more

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inclusive h inclusive housing future for
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Thank you. Historically, the county was
recognized as having a more competitive

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housing price points compared to the
region. But this increased demand for

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housing coupled with the narrow ability
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for everybody. And like other areas in
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George's County is experiencing a
significant housing shortage. There is a

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mismatch between what housing is being
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policies and development practices are
faltering to support firsttime home

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buyers to enter the market to provide
opportunities for seniors to age in

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place and develop pipelines for young
professionals. There is a lack of

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housing opportunities which directly dis
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county.
Given this reality, we have to think

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about housing production differently.
The study is exploring how to further

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housing production which meets the
unique needs of county residents through

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a diversity of housing types in both
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Missing next slide please.
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describes a range of housing types and
design and unit count. These types can

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be anywhere from 2 to nine units and
have the same form and scale of a single

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family home. In many cases, these types
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zoning and building codes were changed,
and it made it basically impossible to

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build these types, and the outcomes of
development did not generate

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contextdriven types. These are examples
from across the country, but in many

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cases, missing middle housing types are
already in our neighborhoods. And the

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building on the top left is a forplex
located in Mount Rear Mount Reneer on

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Bunker Hill Road where it leads into
Eastern Avenue. Probably familiar with

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that. These are examples from across the
country. And in many cases, missing

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middle housing types are already in our
neighborhoods. As I said, not only is

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the form and scale of these are middle
in the traditional sense of a single

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family home and a large apartment
building, but the lower construction

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costs provides a more competitive price
point for middle inome families. Next

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Missing middle housing functions best
when located in a walkable area with

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access to amenities, transit networks,
and jobs is critical to the success of

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this study. that way identify areas of
the county which are best suited for

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missing middle housing development
rather than offering merely an

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additional housing design which furthers
suburban sprawl. The studies identified

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two distinct target area designations
that you see on the map. The missing

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middle housing opportunity areas and the
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There were eight qualifying factors are
the place types analysis or nature of

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the existing built environment that went
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of these locations.
Job density, the development pipeline

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projects, proximity to plan 2035
centers, transit stations, population

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density, and street connectivity.
The missing middle housing focus areas

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are areas which meet all thresholds for
opportunity areas but have a combination

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of connectivity and access to local
amenities that make them especially well

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suited for missing middle housing.
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in areas with the potential to be
transformed from non-walkable into

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walkable places could support more
missing middle types and these should be

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encouraged and enabled. Next slide
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Now, John is going to talk about some of
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» Great. Thanks so much, Karen. Um, so
housing policies in general can be

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organized into three categories.
Policies focused on housing production,

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housing preservation, or the protection
of existing residents. And this study is

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exploring a production focused policy,
which could be a tool for the county to

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respond to current and future housing
demand as highlighted in the previous

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slides. um based on internal
conversations within the planning

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department, leadership um and subject
matter experts. Um these are the the

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study goals that were identified in the
scope of work. Um and the project team

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has developed an approach for
accomplishing these study goals. Um

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these goals were identified by research
and analyzing best practices from around

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the country, regional trends, um and our
county goals for creating more

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attainable housing choices for
middle-income households. Um and these

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study goals informed and guided the
draft recommendations which we are going

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to discuss next. Uh next slide please.
So as stated um we conducted research

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into best practices to encourage the
production of missing middle housing. Um

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and the team used their vast experience
and looked at thought leaders across the

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United States to develop re draft
recommendations and strategies which are

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tailored specifically to the needs of
Prince George's County. Um many of these

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recommendations discuss needed changes
to our zoning ordinance, building codes,

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and overall agency coordination to
achieve um a greater availability of

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housing choices for current and future
county residents. Um these strategies

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and recommendations are by no means the
final language um or even proposed

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changes to any ordinances or regula or
regulations. These are simply guiding

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principles um that we will use to
coordinate internally to achieve these

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goals. Um, and these are the the
categories of draft strategies and

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recommendations. And I believe um the
full list of draft strategies and

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recommendations was distributed. Um, but
if um anyone didn't get that, we'd be

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more than happy to provide um that full
list of strategies and recommendations.

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So, we want to go into the draft
strategies and recommendations that are

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specific to the city of Mount Reineer to
gather input and feedback. And again, we

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want to emphasize this study um is an
exploratory exercise in changes that

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would allow for missing middle housing.
Um this study will not directly make

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changes. It will be used to inform um
county and uh municipal decision makers

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about missing middle housing and how to
promote these types. Um, specifically

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the Mount Reineer Neighborhood
Conservation Overlay Zone or NCZ

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preempts many of the development
standards within the base zoning

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district regarding height, bulk, lot
size, and other components as well

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provides additional design requirements
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design context within the city of Mount
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identified as a missing middle housing
focus area due to its excellent location

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adjacent to amenities, access to
transit, and proximity to employment

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centers, uh the NC without amendments
may be a barrier to miss to some missing

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middle housing types. Uh the draft
recommendations uh proposed to encourage

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missing middle housing types within the
NC area, but also highlight the

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importance of developing design
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and character. And while this is already
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neighborhood compatibility standards
within the zoning ordinance, it's

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critical to ensure quality design at all
levels of review. Um, as well, we have

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provided again the full list of
recommendations. Um, and we would

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welcome any insight regarding those uh
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And next slide, please.

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Um, and as well I do want to highlight
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is actually another forplex within uh
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» It's a fiveplex.
>> Fiveplex. Apologies. Fivelex.

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» Cottage city. Uh, a close neighbor.
>> Close neighbor.

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» Um, next slide, please.

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If we go back one. Yeah. So, this is a
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Um, an implementable uh, missing middle
housing policy will augment the county's

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ability to respond to the acute housing
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retain or attract the next generation of
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this has never been done in the county
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body of work to inform the planning
department's vision for housing as well

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as county and municipal stakeholders and
assist in concise or correct messaging

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and inform um, our decision makers about
how to proceed in promoting missing

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middle housing uh, within Prince County.
And with that um, we would love to

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transition to a more open-ended
discussion um, about the draft

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strategies and recommendations. So,
thank you so much for having us. Thank

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you so much for the presentation. I'm
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see what questions they they have. Okay.
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we are going to start Joseph.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um I'm very excited to

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see this study progressing and I you
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middle missing housing, it really brings
vibrancy to communities. It helps with

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long-term financial stability. Um and um
it also you know the we don't just have

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examples in our community from time in
memoriam. We actually not in the end

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cause but in the LMUTC we did have a
vacant lot used to be a underwhelming uh

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community garden um and is now four town
homes right right in the heart of

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downtown. So we we show we can do that
in Mount Reineer. Um the two things I

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was hoping to see in this study if it's
not too late to include them. I would

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love to see some how it would positively
impact our businesses because I often

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hear about how businesses don't have
enough uh customers and I know that if

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we have a denser um area with more folks
living in it that can be more of a

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customer base for our small businesses.
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is I know that the as you put more
housing in you in less space you wind up

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with uh benefits for your tax rate. So I
would love to see how this could

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positively impact our communities. uh uh
our city's tax income um as you work

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through the study and I can send you
some links too if anything that if you

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need any guidance on that.
>> So every time you move away from the mic

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» they cannot they cannot pick you up.
>> No cuz you keep doing this just so you

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know
>> it's it's all dropped off. Jenny

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Danielle Valerie go ahead.
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so I'm new to dealing with Prince
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I have learned, um, a year into being on
council, we don't really have any power

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here. And I'm I'm curious
given what you discussed in terms of the

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overlay uh zone um as a municipality,
what actually could we do to support um

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development of missing middle?
>> Sure, that's a great question. Well,

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this um any any changes to incorporate
new missing middle housing types

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throughout the county or in certain
areas that were identified on the maps

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before, the focus areas and the
opportunity areas. Um I think will take

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place through um either um sector plan
updates. we'll be writing that language

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to encourage that and and get it into
writing. Um so that when proposals come

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forth, we can compare those and and
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then also um through probably some text
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because as you know the planning
department does control the zoning um

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and other regulatory standards for
development in the county. for as far as

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the NC, what the strategy is
recommending is to um allow certain

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missing middle housing types, especially
more duplexes and triplexes in the NCO

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overlay zone so that you can incorporate
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then back to Mr. Jakuda's uh point about
increasing small business activities. Um

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I want to point out that um one of the
things that uh one of the benefits that

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missing middle housing types have is you
know we talked about how they really

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work well in um walkable environments
where there's access to amenities and

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services. And you know, the more the
more um the more residents you have, the

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more people who are able to take
advantage of those, they're able to um

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support those businesses. In fact, there
was a Brookings Institute study that

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found that, you know, um there was an
80% increase in um small business

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activities just by um increasing the
walkability in those environments. So,

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um that's a good thing for the city.
It's a good thing for the small

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businesses in the city. But um as far as
making changes or recommendations to

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advance missing middle housing
throughout the county, that will

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probably be done by us through plan
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ordinance.
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component of this is looking at the
design and what these missing middle

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housing types will look like. Um while
it hasn't been initiated yet, um we're

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going to be exploring that design and a
critical feature of that is partnerships

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with municipalities. Um you all know
best the feel and character of your

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communities and we want to ensure that
any new um housing types um specifically

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any new missing middle housing types
complement and and bolster the existing

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neighborhood fabric of that. So that
partnership is is critical. Um

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regardless of, you know, our agency
having land use authority, we we look to

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municipal leaders um to be able to
provide input on what these types are

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going to look like in the communities
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» Danielle,
>> thank you so much for coming. Um I

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actually first learned about missing
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neighborhood academy with uh parks and
planning. I was in the first class and

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it was very interesting to learn about
the different zoning types and stuff in

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the community. Um, what we have, what we
don't have. Um, as you may know, Mount

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Reineer is I I think we still hold the
designation of the most densely

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populated city um, in the state of
Maryland. So, density is not something

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that we are afraid of. Um, I I see this
map here of areas in Mount Reineer that

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um, Reineer, I could get in trouble for
not saying it right. Um, are there any

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specific areas that you have identified
here in Mount Reineer that you would

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like to see converted or is this just
bringing it to us for information? Do

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you have any
>> to you for information? We have not

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identified.
>> Before you answer, can I get council to

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add more time because we only have three
minutes. We still have like two speakers

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to speak.
>> Um, make can you guys a motion for at

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least um whatever 10 more minutes?
>> I motion we add 10 minutes to the clock.

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» Can I get a second?
>> Second.

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» All right. probably moved and second.
Any discussion? Objection stations

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hearing none. Apologies. I didn't want
to cut that. Go ahead.

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» Thank you.
>> You can answer.

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» So your question again,
>> my question was I mean I saw the map

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here that you have in Mount Reineer and
you have all the and I know those are

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the zoned areas that are zoned for this.
Do you have any specific you know like

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housing or vacant housing or anything
that you have identified?

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» No, not at this point. We are not
identifying specific parcels or

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properties. Um, we're not proposing to
take anyone's property or anything like

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that. That's not what this is about.
This is about actually providing the

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opportunity to add more housing choices
for people to um be able to afford um

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where they live.
>> Awesome. Thank you so much.

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» Welcome. And again just adding on to
this, this is um the study is an

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exploratory exercise. So there will be
no accompanying uh zoning changes, no

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changes to the development standards
that are currently in the zoning

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ordinance. This is meant to serve as
kind of the body of research in order to

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inform those decision makers. So um yes,
we have not identified specific parcels

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or identified, you know, specific areas
that will have any sort of development

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modifications. system is simply
highlighting um that there could be a

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need to make changes within the um
specifically the neighborhood

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conservation overlays.
>> Well, thank you for bringing your study

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to us. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» Um yeah, thank you. I think um I think
this is a great study. Um so, thank you

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for doing this. Um I think uh I would
like to we have a strategic plan coming

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up in the city. Um and I think this is
where this study could possibly inform

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some of that work for the next 10 years.
Um, and then I also wonder, um, are you

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all is this only in Prince George's
County or is this um, like a more

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statewide I know this is the Prince
George's Planning Department, but like

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is this happening elsewhere and what is
the engagement is their engagement with

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the state department of housing and
community development?

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» Sure. So, this is this study applies
only to Prince George's County. Um, but

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as you are aware, in the past several
years, um, nearby jurisdictions have

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gone through the same process. uh
Montgomery County um they were

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successful after going through some back
and forth and changes. Also, Arlington

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um Alexandria um was able to change it
relatively quickly and and easily. Um

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you know, every every place's process is
a little bit different. Everyone um

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either engages with it more embraces it
more readily or not. But this study

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applies only to Prince George's County.
And in fact, we've learned a lot uh from

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what other places have gone through um
by doing this as well. So,

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» and and a component of the study and a a
critical part of it is looking at those

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other areas. So, um within the study,
we're looking at um you know, how the

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the housing shortage is not um isolated
to Prince George's County. Um it is not

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unique to us. It is a nationwide issue
and that lends itself to we have a great

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body of work to look on what other
places are doing, how we can tailor that

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to the needs within the county. So, a
component of the study is looking at

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what other places across the country are
doing.

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» Thank you. And just to follow up, um is
there any communication or engagement

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with the state department of housing and
community development um on this

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particular issue
>> with the Maryland Department of

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Planning? They're aware of the study and
they are supportive of it as you know.

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Um they um convened a oh this is not
missing middle housing but an ADU task

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force that's another housing option
that's going to become available to

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Prince Georgeians at the end of the year
hopefully. Um that was a state mandate.

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Um and then the uh Prince George's
Department of Housing and Community

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Development is also a partner with us
and will be a partner um in implement in

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implementing this as well.
>> Thank you.

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» So once again, thank you for coming. I I
think that for me I'm happy that that is

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is happening. In the last legislation,
there was a very big housing bill.

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» Um various um from the top level from
Prince George County all the way through

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um u county executive team like county
council chairs and stuff like that went

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to speak when it came to their
letting you know the state know like hey

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we're doing this study and it's just not
about like throwing a number this how

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many houses you're supposed to have in
Prince George's County because not all

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the counties are the same right? So this
allowed us to be able to analyze the

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data. The other thing is like the
comment regarding um the municipalities

422
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:27,520
don't have any input. We have a lot of
input that actually the current summit

423
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:32,160
um our LTC uh team
>> right

424
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:36,160
» like send stacks of information. So
Joseph um I think that they're going to

425
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:41,119
be doing the same thing. So they would
from the first review all the way

426
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,560
through the final they would submit
information to us as council say hey

427
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,359
this is the recommendations and we were
passing them forward. I think that from

428
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:54,400
what I understand from the team was um
over 90% of the things that the marine

429
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,680
asked for it to be in the plan um were
actually incorporated.

430
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,079
» Great.
>> So Maria has never been very silent

431
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,200
about what is it that we will see it.
Um, and it's always, you know, thank you

432
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,319
for clarifying that it's not about
taking nobody's property and Marine is

433
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,599
in a very unique position cuz we're
tapped out.

434
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,880
» Yeah,
>> we're very tapped out. We might have

435
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,040
like a little hole here and there, but
the reality is like we're very tapped

436
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,480
out on potentially what we could what we
could do and being the highest density

437
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,280
populated um city in the whole entire
state.

438
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:27,440
» You know, there's only so much room,
>> right? Well, as residential

439
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,480
redevelopment can occur, these might be
good options for you. And I think that

440
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,000
that's important that you guys voice
because I think people feel like, okay,

441
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,480
we we're known for having beautiful
backyards, right?

442
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,200
» And people feel like they're going to be
chopped off and another building is

443
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:44,000
going to be thrown in there and now it's
like double the population and as it is,

444
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:49,359
we're very tight spaced already.
>> But um so my question to you guys is

445
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:54,079
what is the timeline looks like for you
guys to start the the process? And um we

446
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,839
definitely I would like to invite you
guys back to figure out like um you know

447
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:01,520
when it comes to community involvement
because big for us.

448
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:09,359
» Sure. Um well I can tell you right now
that we are reviewing the draft of the

449
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:14,960
final study um and on June 4th the
consultants and uh the planning team

450
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,880
here will be giving a hybrid
presentation in front of the planning

451
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,760
board on June 4th. So you might be
interested in tuning into that. And then

452
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,680
after that,
>> we could pass it out to the committee.

453
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,720
» Sure. I'll I'll send you um the the
link.

454
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,440
» Okay. And thank you for the work. That's
something I think that there is a need

455
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,400
for housing. Yes.
>> And I think that will be able to best

456
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,440
relate what is needed in Prince George's
County.

457
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:42,560
» Yeah.
>> That way, from what I understand, a bill

458
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:46,640
might be coming next legislation as as
well, but at least you'll have like more

459
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:51,040
data from our county. Yeah.
>> Not prior to CO. That's the concerns of

460
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:56,480
people. It's it's really something that
um you know when you either read it or

461
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:01,040
you hear the full presentation on the
full study that you know it's it's

462
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:06,240
really enlightening and and you really
start to realize that you know we all

463
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:10,960
have housing issues. Um we we may not
have them now but we've had them in the

464
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:17,040
past. We'll be confronted with them in
the future. So now is a really good time

465
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,920
to think about not only our needs but
everyone else's housing needs as we go

466
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,480
forward
>> to be more of a sense of um making sure

467
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:29,280
that
>> you know we have a lot of our seniors um

468
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,280
aging in place but sometimes the houses
are so big and there's nowhere for them

469
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,440
to go
>> right

470
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,680
» you know and the price point for some of
the apartments are so expensive that

471
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:42,160
they pay le mortgage in their house
something that I know is being talked

472
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,920
statewise like what is the around to be
able to move people so that way um

473
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:49,359
families are moved to the big homes
because we're big family homes but also

474
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,359
like making sure that
>> there is a place for our our elders if

475
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:59,200
they choose to move.
>> Yes. Yes. And that that concern has been

476
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,960
voiced loud loudly by all sorts of
people that we've talked to for sure.

477
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:08,000
And as well, I want to just echo um you
know, we are of course available um you

478
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:12,400
know, whether Karen, myself, Josephine
or Andrea to answer any questions um as

479
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,119
the advocates for your community, we
want to make sure that you're informed

480
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:20,079
and provided with all the information
that um your constituents are are

481
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,040
looking for. And if we can um have any
opportunity to to speak with anyone,

482
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:25,839
we'd be more than happy to do that.
>> Thank you. Yes. And any information you

483
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,640
have, we'd love to read it as a human
right here. Okay. So, thank you guys so

484
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,760
much for joining us.
>> You're welcome.

485
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:38,000
All right, moving on to item number
five. Presentation discussion tree

486
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:41,599
commission report. The American council
receive a report from the tree

487
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,599
commission. Hi.
>> Hello.

488
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:54,000
» All right. Greetings. Good evening. My
name is Mary Lee Howitt. I'm the tree

489
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:57,280
commission chair and today I'm here to
talk about the tree commission, what

490
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,800
we've been up to, some of our activities
that are ongoing, some of our

491
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:06,960
accomplishments and some of our
challenges. Next slide.

492
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:11,680
So why does the tree commission exist?
What do we do? So we are established in

493
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,359
the urban forest code, so chapter 12b.
And we have a lot of different

494
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:20,240
activities that we do. We help maintain
and improve the city's tree canopy. We

495
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,520
advise the city on trees. We educate
city staff and the residents. We

496
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,760
advocate for the preservation of
existing trees. We do a lot to

497
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:31,599
coordinate planting of new trees around
the city. And then we do have a formal

498
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,000
role in the review of public tree
removals and hear resident appeals under

499
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:41,040
the ordinance. So I'm going to talk
about some of these things in more

500
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,599
detail in the next slide.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on

501
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,680
this because hopefully council
understands the benefits of trees, but

502
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:53,280
for folks that don't maybe are less
familiar of like why trees are um

503
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:57,280
beneficial to communities. This is a
short list. There's a lot more that we

504
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,319
could say about trees and their
benefits, but these are some of the

505
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:05,119
common ones. They help cool our streets.
They help save residents energy, um

506
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:10,800
support wildlife, of course, absorb
storm storm water, calm traffic, and do

507
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:16,400
increase property values. Next slide.
Okay. So for ongoing activities, uh we

508
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,440
do a lot. So the tree commission is a
very active group and some of the things

509
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:26,240
that we do throughout the year of winter
pruning of young trees. We help maintain

510
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,599
the city tree inventory and and
coordinate tree observation walks in the

511
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,760
summer. I'll talk a little bit more
about that. Tree planting coordination,

512
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:38,880
which I mentioned already, maintenance
coordination. We work with utility

513
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,800
companies in the city. Pepco and WSIC
are very common ones that are doing work

514
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,960
in the city. Provide input on city
projects and then again have a formal

515
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:52,800
role in terms of some assessment,
permit, waiver process and outreach and

516
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:57,200
education. So next slide.
I'm going to talk a little bit about

517
00:47:54,319 --> 00:48:01,200
winter pruning. So winter pruning, this
is when I talk about the tree commission

518
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:05,599
is involved in winter pruning. We're
talking about small street trees. Uh so

519
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,240
we have hand tools that the city has
purchased that we use. We go around the

520
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,560
city. Um we have a map that we mark here
on the right to notate kind of where we

521
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,800
have been. Each commissioner has a
different color so we're not duplicating

522
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:22,880
effort. And we're going to hopefully
every street tree in the city um that is

523
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:29,040
small and manageable with with hand
tools and trying to do structural

524
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:32,720
pruning. So why do we do this? Um to
establish strong, healthy and

525
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,520
structurally sound trees. This reduces
costly corrective pruning by contractors

526
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:42,960
later. And we also are being really
observant about pedestrian um clearances

527
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:45,599
and car clearances. So, we're trying to
shape the tree so it's not hitting

528
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,839
people in the face when they're walking
down the street or hitting a car as

529
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,520
they're driving by. It's not perfect. We
can't get everything, but it is

530
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,880
something we are attempting to do every
year. And this map is an illustration of

531
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:06,960
what streets we were able to tackle as,
you know, a five to six member

532
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:11,599
commission last winter. Um, next slide.
Just as a reminder for folks that don't

533
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:16,400
know, um, the ordinance governs who
governs who can prune city trees. So

534
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,480
only city tree contractors, tree
commissioners, city staff, and other

535
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:24,720
trained individuals with a pruning
authorization letter can prune city

536
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:29,200
trees. So this includes, you know, the
tree and the tree box in front of your

537
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:33,200
house. And the reason is because you can
do a lot of damage if you incorrectly

538
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:38,000
prune a tree. And so there's training
behind this and anybody could stop

539
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:40,880
somebody pruning a tree and say, "How do
you have permission to do this?" And so

540
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:47,200
that's why we have these authorization
letters that document the person has

541
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:54,240
been uh trained and has permission from
the city to to prune uh small street

542
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,240
trees. Next slide.

543
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:00,640
And we do a lot with outreach. So we do
a PR a winter pruning workshop. We've

544
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,359
been trying to do this on an annual
basis. So we had one in February in

545
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:11,040
which our tree commissioner um Barry
Stall led a uh public workshop. Anybody

546
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:14,880
could come learn about the benefits of
pruning, why you do it, and how to feel

547
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:19,359
comfortable and confident in terms of
pruning your own trees on your property.

548
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,319
Um, we also had some folks show up who
were interested in getting that pruning

549
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:28,559
authorization letter to help out the
tree commission. So, this was a great

550
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:32,400
way to get them trained up. Next slide.
All right, I want to talk a little bit

551
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:37,760
about the tree inventory. This is a
database called accessible urban tree

552
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:41,119
inventory Audi. And this is something
that's been instituted in the last

553
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:45,599
couple years. Before we had a database,
we had an Excel spreadsheet which was

554
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:50,079
prone to a lot of errors and very
difficult to maintain. And so the city

555
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:54,559
has invested in this database. The tree
commission keeps it maintained. And just

556
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:59,760
so everybody knows, this is a pretty
significant number. Uh there's nearly

557
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:05,359
1,600 public city trees in Mount Reneer.
So these trees all need to be maintained

558
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:10,160
over time. And we are entering data into
this database such as the condition of

559
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:15,040
the tree, species, size, location, who
planted it, is it native, naturalized or

560
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:19,680
invasive. This is a very datarich uh
database and we can pull information

561
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,200
about it. Um so pull information from
it. So for example, what are the top 10

562
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:26,720
species that are plant planted in Mount
Reneer? There's a list if you wanted to

563
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:31,599
know the largest tree in Mount Reneer,
the smallest tree, you know, how many

564
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,240
trees were planted in the last um two
years. We can get that information. And

565
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:40,640
just tonight, um, somebody from the tree
commission asked Lester, who maintains

566
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:43,599
this inventory, can you make a map of
all the service berry trees because

567
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,440
there's a lot of delicious service
berries out there right now. And so we

568
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,079
have a map of the service berry trees
that people can go and and pick. Um, so

569
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:56,240
that is going to be posted, I think, to
the list serve and to Facebook um, very

570
00:51:54,240 --> 00:52:00,960
soon.
Next slide.

571
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,280
And all that data is overlaid on a
Google map. So each dot represents a

572
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:08,480
tree. Um, so this is on the city
website. If anybody's curious about the

573
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,880
tree in front of their house, I want to
know what kind of species it is. Is it

574
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:16,240
in good condition? When was it planted,
you can zoom in, find the tree in front

575
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:20,800
of your house, and this is the type of
information that pops up. Just it's all

576
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:26,160
GPS located as well as correlated with
the street address as well.

577
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:30,319
Next slide. All right. So one of the
ways we maintain the information in the

578
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:35,359
database is we do summer tree
observation walks. So we're trying to

579
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:41,599
walk every street in the city and look
at every tree. So nearly 1600 trees in

580
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:46,319
the summer to observe um how are those
trees doing? What are are there any

581
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,400
changes in health? Are there hazards? Um
we want to make sure the data in the

582
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:54,640
database in terms of its location is
correct. And then we communicate any

583
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:58,720
sort of hazards or risks to public
works. So we're just getting going on

584
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:03,440
that. And so that's something we do from
June to uh November when the trees are

585
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:09,280
leafed out and we can get a good sense
of their overall health. Okay, next

586
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:12,480
slide. Tree planting. So we do a lot of
coordination with different

587
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,520
organizations.
Uh over 636 trees have been planted in

588
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,839
the last 5 years in the city. This is
largely through partnerships with Joe's

589
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:27,200
Greenworks uh which is located here in
Mount Reneer. They've run some great uh

590
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:31,440
tree planting programs in partnership
with the tree commission. Casey trees

591
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:36,400
has planted a significant number of
trees in the city at no cost as well.

592
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:42,800
And then the county had a huge uh
planting project related to the levy

593
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:47,599
mitigation project. So that's a whole
other can of worms. But we did get the

594
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:52,800
trees after 10 years of waiting and
nearly, you know, over over 260 trees

595
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:57,359
have been planted through that county
project. We also get trees that the tree

596
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:02,079
commission may work in cooperation with
the city in terms of planting as well as

597
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:07,760
WSSC does plant trees when they remove
remove trees. Next slide. And then we do

598
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,280
a lot with maintenance and coordination
with the city. When we talk about

599
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:16,400
maintenance, we're talking about
pruning, possibly needing to remove the

600
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:21,599
tree, watering is a huge concern for
young trees, staking, mulching, and some

601
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:25,119
in some cases removing invasive vines.
Um, so we work very closely with the

602
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,880
Department of Public Works, again,
pulling information from that database

603
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:34,240
about tree hazards, feeding that
information up if there needs to be some

604
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:38,000
pruning done. Um, Bartlett is the city's
tree contractor. So with the small

605
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,839
trees, we're trying to tackle those as a
tree commission, but as the big with big

606
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:47,839
trees, you need to bring in Bartlett to
handle that. Um, so this is a very close

607
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,760
collaboration and a lot of work goes on
in this area a couple times a year.

608
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Particularly Bartlett comes to town, I
think one to two times a year to do this

609
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,960
work.
Next slide. Pepco also comes to town

610
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:06,640
every two to three years. um they're
doing line clearing work and usually,

611
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:11,200
you know, surprises people. I know we do
our best to try to let folks know when

612
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:15,200
they're coming to town. Um they are
planning to come to town at some point

613
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:19,440
this summer, I believe. And so we have
looked at their plans in the past. We

614
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:25,280
have met with Pepco reps to go over kind
of what their plan is. Um, we did as a

615
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:29,760
tree commission provide some questions,
recommendations to public works that I

616
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,400
believe went back to Pepco and we're
waiting for the response. One of the

617
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:40,160
concerns was just about the timing. So,
we and this is in the ordinance as well.

618
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:43,839
We recommend that uh work on trees not
happen in the spring when birds are

619
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:48,480
nesting. So, if we can postpone that to
later in the summer, that is a best

620
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:52,720
practice that we're trying to encourage.
All right, next slide. And then input on

621
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:56,079
city projects. This is an example of
input that we provided on the Newton

622
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,599
Street project. So we provided a letter
to the city with some of our

623
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,960
recommendations. We reviewed plans,
provide advice. In the case of the

624
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,880
Newton Street project, I did meet with
the contractor, had a really good

625
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,960
conversation about tree root protection,
tree protection, and that was very

626
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:15,920
productive. So trying to do that as much
as possible as well. Next slide.

627
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:22,319
And then outreach outreach and
engagement is uh also a focus. We try to

628
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:25,920
do our best as a small commission. Um,
free tree program in partnership with

629
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,760
Joe's Greenworks is an example of that
where we worked with the city of

630
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:34,640
communications to get the word out about
that project. We had an Arbor Day

631
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:40,480
celebration where um we had a tree walk
led by Gabe Popkin on the the tree

632
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:45,040
commission and um Barry Stall in which
we planted a couple uh white oaks in

633
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,440
Richardson Park uh the picture there in
the middle. And then we try to do as

634
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:54,160
much communication out to the community
by writing articles for the message and

635
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:59,680
posting those other articles around on
the list serve and Facebook as we have

636
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:03,520
capacity. Next slide.
All right. So the tree commission has uh

637
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:08,799
two vacancies right now. So we just want
to make the council and everybody aware

638
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:13,440
that we are seeking new members. Um as I
mentioned I think we are a commission of

639
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:20,400
seven. Um currently there are five. We
are very passionate, active, fun team.

640
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:24,960
Uh we like to get things done. So if if
folks are interested in trees and want

641
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,680
to be part of this community of
treeloving uh residents, we certainly

642
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,040
invite you to be part of the commission.
You don't have to be an expert on trees.

643
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,520
I came to the commission. I didn't have
a lot of background except I like trees.

644
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:42,799
I knew a couple species and have learned
a lot um from other folks.

645
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:47,359
Next slide.
All right, just pivoting to challenges.

646
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:52,079
I just want to talk a little bit about
challenges in some of the solutions that

647
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:56,640
we have been working on with the city.
So I think one big challenge is that you

648
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,960
know residents and contractors that come
to the city aren't aware that we have an

649
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:05,760
ordinance that governs public and
private property trees.

650
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:10,720
So h how do you deal with that? like we
need to communicate that there is there

651
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,880
are these rules and there has been a lot
of effort invested in this um ongoing

652
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,799
coordination with the city on
communication work with code code

653
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,559
compliance in terms of enforcement
working with public works getting

654
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:26,559
information on the website so folks
understand if they're looking for does

655
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,119
the city have tree protections they can
find it easily but all that said we do

656
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,280
realize that there's people that have
lived here for a really long time but

657
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:40,319
still don't know that there's a tree
ordinance and they could get in trouble

658
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:44,559
and find if they illegally remove a tree
without going through the pro the

659
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:50,240
process. So over the last year we've
worked with the city to develop a door

660
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:53,520
hanger. Um, so those just got printed,
which is very exciting. And they're in

661
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:59,200
English and Spanish. And the goal is
that we're going to put those on every

662
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,599
house door knob that we can over the
next couple months so that there's

663
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:08,079
awareness. Um, everybody's getting
information equally hopefully. Um, so

664
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:12,160
that is a big project that we've been
working on over the last year and

665
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:16,559
excited it's almost to fruition.
Next slide. Infrastructure projects. So,

666
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:20,000
I talked a little bit about, you know,
Newton Street and other things. You

667
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:25,040
know, there's a lot of construction in
the city. It's, we just heard about the

668
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:29,839
density of the city. Um,
trees are kind of, you know, in this

669
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:33,839
very stressed space between sidewalks
and streets and when you're taking

670
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:37,200
sidewalks out or doing curb work or road
work, it's very likely tree roots are

671
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,640
going to be affected. And that's the
life support system of the tree. So we

672
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:47,520
have really I think improved the
relationship with the city in terms of

673
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:51,200
communicating that impact and trying to
put things in place to protect trees.

674
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,559
So, tree protection plans, the
consulting arborist Matt MadiRaa is an

675
00:59:53,359 --> 01:00:00,480
expert in putting together tree
protection plans. Um, requiring

676
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:05,440
contracts, contractors with the city to
understand the tree protection rules. um

677
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:09,920
and having follow-up enforcement if they
are violating those protective fencing

678
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,559
of trees and then like I mentioned you
know the tree commission has

679
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:17,040
recommendations and we'll meet with
contractors in advance as well just to

680
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:21,040
kind of emphasize certain best
practices.

681
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:25,680
Next slide.
Another big challenge is climate change

682
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:29,839
and drought. Uh we have all these young
trees in the city and they need to be

683
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:33,680
watered. Um they need regular deep
watering. So any tree that's young, one

684
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:39,599
to three years, needs regular watering.
And we are in a drought right now. So

685
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:44,319
this is an ongoing challenge. I it's
it's hard to it's hard to find solutions

686
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:49,119
other than trying to get people to water
trees and trying to, you know, find time

687
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:53,839
with the city public works staff to help
with this as well. So we have often sp

688
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:59,760
sent watering reminders, worked with
public works to get the water truck out

689
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:03,839
and also thinking about planting climate
resilient species. So native native

690
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:09,359
trees are more resilient to climate
change in many cases. So we're trying to

691
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:13,440
emphasize that. Um and this is just an
ongoing challenge with you know we have

692
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:18,880
some solutions. It's just it's it's an
ongoing challenge. Next slide. And this

693
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:25,839
is my last slide just in terms of
challenges. Um, we are a volunteer group

694
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:30,559
and just have limited capacity. We do a
lot and I just want to articulate a lot

695
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,839
of the services that we provide as a
tree commission are provided by

696
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:38,160
professional paid staff in other
municipalities

697
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:43,440
and we understand, you know, this is a
small city and there's only so much uh

698
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:47,680
funding to support additional capacity,
but I do think there could be some

699
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:52,960
creative solutions to look at in the
future. Um I think one of our fears as a

700
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,960
tree commission is if you know we get
burned out and the tree commission

701
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:02,640
becomes less active a lot of that work
most of that work I just mentioned will

702
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,079
not happen. So do we have more hazardous
trees that are causing problems for

703
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:10,160
residents? You know all those things
could really come into play. So just I

704
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:14,720
think the solution here is to think
forward about what could additional

705
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:18,720
capacity
um in the in the city look like and some

706
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:22,400
of the creative funding options may
include Chesapeake Conservation Climate

707
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:27,599
Corps. There has been some funding
through Maryland's urban tree grant

708
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:31,839
program for capacity building in cities.
Possibly cost sharing position with

709
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,520
neighboring municipalities.
Maybe there's a sustainability

710
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:39,680
coordinator position that could be
supported with grant funding that could

711
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,440
include some of the work related to
trees that I mentioned as well. Anyway,

712
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,160
that's just some forward thinking
thoughts that we've included in our

713
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:50,400
budget proposals for the last couple
years.

714
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:55,920
And in closing, I just want to say a big
thank you to city staff, um, Department

715
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:59,839
of Public Works, code compliance just
for the support. It's a big

716
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:04,000
collaborative effort. Uh we're working
very closely with all those departments

717
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:08,240
and want to call out Victor from public
works who is transitioning over to the

718
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:12,319
police department. He has been our tree
liaison for many years and has been a

719
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:16,720
great asset and so wish him the best and
just want to call out his his great

720
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:20,559
service to working with us. And with
that I'll stop and see if anybody has

721
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:24,319
questions.
>> Thank you so much Marley and also uh to

722
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:28,880
the whole tree commission. So, I'm going
to go around the room um to have the

723
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,119
council have a question if they have
any. Uh but definitely if you guys want

724
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:39,760
to describe the tree commissioners are
basically the Lorax. We speak for the

725
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:44,160
very vocal and um and we appreciate that
because we have been able to save a lot

726
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,119
of trees, not just plant them. So, um
every tree every tree counts here. All

727
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:52,720
right. So, Joseph, I'm going to go with
you since you're the liaison first.

728
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:57,280
» Sorry. Um but uh I'll start first and
I'm going to start by making a motion to

729
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,799
add 10 minutes to the clock.
>> So make it

730
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,839
» I I move to make add 10 minutes to the
clock.

731
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:05,520
» Second.
>> Mr. Probably moved and second. Any

732
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:10,880
discussion?
Objections. Hearing none. We're adding

733
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,920
10 more minutes to the clock. Go ahead.
>> No, thank you. Thank you, Mary Lee. I

734
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:17,359
don't I don't have too many questions
because that was a very thorough

735
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:22,000
presentation that really covered I mean
I I've been listening and participating

736
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:26,000
in the well liazing with the tree
commission for a a couple months now and

737
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:30,960
you guys just do amazing work. I can't
help but thank Lester and Judy and Barry

738
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:34,799
and Gabe and yourself um for making this
all happen plus all the other volunteers

739
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:38,079
that are pruning and I know there's so
much more work to do too because we're

740
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,599
not you didn't even get into the
problems of English ivy that needs to be

741
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,839
dealt with and then we also have rain
gardens which aren't trees but are also

742
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:50,480
plants and we need help with. So I'm I'm
really supportive of looking for ways to

743
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:55,200
find funding to make this happen in
future budgets because we need support

744
01:04:52,559 --> 01:05:00,559
for all this. Um, and it's it's re
really a vital service given the climate

745
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:04,960
impacts and and the ability to lower our
temperatures and have fresh cleaner air

746
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:08,000
um from having trees and other plant
life. Thank you.

747
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:12,319
» I thought you said it was going to be
short. Danielle, Jenny, Danielle,

748
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:17,119
Valerie, and Jenny.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much for this. I

749
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:22,000
I I really enjoyed this presentation. It
was very well done. I I love trees. They

750
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:26,400
used to call us tree huggers, but I love
trees. Um, sadly we lost two of our

751
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:31,200
trees a few years ago in our backyard
and we replaced it with an oak that I

752
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,799
think my husband got from Barry down at
the nature center two years ago and um

753
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:40,400
it breaks my heart that it's not growing
faster. So I'm looking for another tree

754
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:44,799
to put in my backyard. Um I I the things
you guys do and the mapping, you know,

755
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:49,280
you guys do tremendous work and I just
want to point out that you know it's

756
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,000
recognized um even by people who don't
know about the tree commission. I didn't

757
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:58,000
know about the tree commission till I
got on council. Um um I love what you

758
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:02,000
said about Pep um about Pepco trying to
coordinate with them because they came

759
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:08,079
in the tool at Magnolia next door to me
at 3204. Um they just they butchered it

760
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:12,000
and it was it broke our hearts to see
it, you know, struggling to try to

761
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:19,280
survive. Um and I love the idea of the
door hanger. So um and you say you need

762
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:23,359
two volunteers to join the commission.
There's two vacancies. I mean, we can

763
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:28,960
function as a commission with five, but
the we would like there's a lot to do,

764
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,880
so we would love additional members.
Yes.

765
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,319
» Well, I will be more than happy to put
that in my newsletter and see what I can

766
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:37,200
do to try to help you find people, too.
So, thank you for everything you do.

767
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,079
Thank you for this wonderful
presentation. You guys are amazing.

768
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:44,720
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

769
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,799
» Um, yeah, thank you. Um, this was a
really robust presentation, which I

770
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:52,799
appreciate. Um, I'm happy to see the
Audi system working really well. Um,

771
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,880
because that's an exciting development.
Um, I do have a question about that

772
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:00,880
though. Um, is there are there any plans
for training other people to use the

773
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,559
Audi system? Is that something the tree
commission might do? Um, especially as

774
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,680
you know, you have different people
coming onto the commission, you might

775
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:11,839
consider having a training on using the
system so that um, the next generation

776
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,640
of people can use it. That's something
to think about. And then and then the

777
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:19,440
other thing I was going to mention is
that the Maryland State Department of um

778
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:23,440
service and civic innovation is opening
their grant applications now for their

779
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:27,760
service core year. And I feel like this
would be a great program to include with

780
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:32,880
the tree commission to to show young
people about how to use uh tree um like

781
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,280
to work on trees and work in a city
committee and things like that. So that

782
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,240
might be something the city could
potentially apply to. So those are my

783
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:44,559
two things, but thank you for your
presentation. Um yeah, thank you.

784
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:49,599
Do do you want me there was a question
there so I can answer about the

785
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:53,119
database. Um so Lester Sherman is our
database expert on the tree commission.

786
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,079
He's
>> adopted this project and he could

787
01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:01,119
probably really answer that question
easily. There's there's a couple people

788
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:05,359
that have access to update and maintain
the information

789
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:11,839
and we we as the tree commission have
really been the group that's maintaining

790
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:17,839
it. We would like the city to also be
maintaining that information as well. So

791
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:22,239
we yeah we would love to to to do that.
I think there's an opportunity perhaps

792
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:27,520
with with public works depending on cap
capacity. Um but I think it has to do

793
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,880
with like number of licenses and access
permissions and I don't have that the

794
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:35,759
top of my head but several people do
have access and there's an ability I

795
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,560
think to to get more access. is just
making sure they're trained like you

796
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,359
said.
>> Yeah. I just think it would be a cool

797
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:45,040
partnership even with the Joe's stream
team um to show people how the system

798
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,480
works just so that there's more
awareness of it and that it's being

799
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,480
done.

800
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:59,040
» Um thank you Mary Lee. Um I'm was
snacking on service berries from a

801
01:08:54,880 --> 01:09:04,080
street food. Love it. Um 3802 Rhode
Island Avenue right by Tanges. It's like

802
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:12,000
loaded. Um, so I'm super excited about
the map. Um, and um, but I I wanted to

803
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:16,080
ask you, there's been a few incidents
over the past year that I'm aware of.

804
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:22,960
There might be others that I'm not aware
of in which people were um, cutting or

805
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:28,560
like pruning, like bad pruning or like
actually just cutting down trees um,

806
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:32,480
that that you brought to our attention
or that that were brought to your

807
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:38,000
attention. And I I'm wondering how you
feel the partnership with the city has

808
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:45,359
been with regard to uh like problems
like that and if there are changes or

809
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:50,560
improvements um that you think um the
council should consider or the city

810
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:55,360
manager should consider. M yeah I think
you know I've been in the city for 15

811
01:09:52,719 --> 01:10:01,360
years long well a little longer than
that and I have seen a great improvement

812
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,920
I mean part of that is having an
ordinance and rules part of that is

813
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,600
enforcement so you can have the best
ordinance in the world but if you don't

814
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:15,280
have enforcement doesn't really matter
so code compliance is really I think

815
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:21,120
stepped up is not the right word like
added capacity in this regard um to the

816
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:25,440
point where I feel that the code
compliance officers understand the

817
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:30,400
ordinance to a large degree in a way
that they haven't before. And there's

818
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:35,360
been cases where I hear a chainsaw,
which I'm like one of those people that

819
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:40,880
chases the chainsaw and code compliance
is there in some cases already kind of

820
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:46,320
asking the questions. Um could there be
improvement? I'm sure there could be. Um

821
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:51,840
we did have a meeting with code
compliance

822
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:57,360
gosh I don't know like five months four
or five months ago because one of the

823
01:10:54,239 --> 01:11:01,600
problems that we identified is that uh
co- compliance officers can identify

824
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,480
hazardous trees or a neighbor can call
in a hazardous tree like I just don't

825
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:10,320
like those people therefore I want to
get them in trouble and say their tree

826
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:17,840
is hazardous and get them potentially
fined or something like that. Um, and so

827
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:22,159
KAP plays aren't tree experts. And so
there was a couple cases where they were

828
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:25,360
deeming a tree hazardous, but without a
professional arborist, the city

829
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:30,480
consulting arborist making that
determination. So we had a a meeting to

830
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:36,080
try to iron that out. And I think it's
ironed out. Um, so if there is a

831
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:40,159
question of whether a tree is hazardous,
bring in the city consulting arborist to

832
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:45,520
provide that professional opinion. He
reacts very quickly. they can often come

833
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:49,920
to the city within a day. Um, so there
had been a couple issues around that. I

834
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:56,000
think it's been ironed out. Um, but
education I think is the solution to any

835
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:59,440
sort of issue of unawareness. Um, I
think a lot of tree work happens on the

836
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:04,960
weekends where people are trying to get
away with it. So I I realize that we

837
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:08,400
can't have CO compliance working every
day of the week given budget

838
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:13,679
constraints, but that could be an area
of improvement as well if we have more

839
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:18,400
eyes on kind of those issues on the
weekends.

840
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:23,840
» Yeah.
>> You know that our

841
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:27,760
also
have a mic.

842
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:31,280
» It's okay if I just add something. Just
want to let you know that and you know

843
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:36,239
it that our police department on the
weekend you know in case if we receive

844
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:40,960
any call and the neighbors or the
resident can call the emergency line and

845
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:46,000
definitely the police is going to be
there and then they can contact the code

846
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:52,000
and the code Alma is just 5 minutes from
here and she can be there and it has

847
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:56,400
happened in the past too. So I do
appreciate that if there is anything

848
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:00,960
like this you know just on the weekend
as you said there is a budget you know

849
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:05,360
limitation and we cannot have anybody on
the weekends

850
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:10,640
» right okay that's good to know thank you
>> thank you for that um I don't

851
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:13,199
necessarily have a well I do have a
question from one of the residents that

852
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:19,520
I didn't was able to answer so be
perfect for you uh but I going back to

853
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:22,400
the two positions that are still missing
for commissioners

854
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:26,239
Um if you're interested, please reach
out to the tree commission. Uh Joseph is

855
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:30,560
the leazison as well. The city portals
there as well. But also when they have

856
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:35,040
events, it's open to all the community
>> like when it's like the pruning where is

857
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:39,040
like tree where is information, right?
Um they're very welcoming. So even if

858
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,159
they say like hey we're going to be
pruning trees, it's like if you come in

859
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:47,199
and like you know they're they're
willing to teach you on the spot as

860
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:51,040
well. Um but also when tree planting has
happened like a lot of us have been

861
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,679
hands on to try to support it because it
takes some time.

862
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:57,280
» So either could be done within an hour
and a half or it could be done into

863
01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:02,159
several hours based on how many people.
So um so the big ask for the community

864
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:06,239
is also like when you see information
out please come out and support the team

865
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:09,120
so that way they're also not burned out
because if we have ex we could get all

866
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:14,480
the trees in the world coming to the
city but there is um a requirement for

867
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,560
you to take care of it for the first
three years for you to help them plan

868
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:22,719
right and that is more of like a
learning curve um that needs to be so

869
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:27,199
please continue to volunteer the other
one I was asked uh dogwood trees I know

870
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,719
there's a few in the city.
>> Um, how do you call it? Is there

871
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,960
something that we're thinking of adding
more or what does that look like?

872
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:40,080
» We haven't had a lot of luck with
dogwoods as street trees. They're pretty

873
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:45,679
sensitive and we have tried multiple
times in various locations and they have

874
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:50,880
died. So, we as a tree commission do not
recommend dogwoods as street trees.

875
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:55,280
Could be perfectly fine in your yard,
but we just have not had success. So,

876
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:57,360
we've kind of crossed that off our list,
unfortunately.

877
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,560
» Good. Thank you for telling me because
the ones that I know of, they're in

878
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,840
private property. Those are people that
came and make it. I was like, I don't

879
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:07,120
know. I have to ask. Uh, but other than
that, thank you guys so much. You guys

880
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,640
are definitely when I say you guys speak
for these

881
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:15,199
» heavily and we have been very gifted to
have within the committee many people

882
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:18,480
that are very knowledgeable
>> that they're able to train and work with

883
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:23,360
people that might not be as
knowledgeable. So we're we're able to

884
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:27,760
balance the the committee enough and and
that has allowed also for us to be able

885
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:32,480
to do as much as as as it comes to the
city because it's I think that when

886
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,800
people hear uh tree commissioners I
don't think they always realize how much

887
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:40,719
work
>> is being done but um if in doubt ask for

888
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:44,239
the letter because everybody that uh has
applied for it they go through the

889
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,199
process they need to have the letter so
that's something that people could

890
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,000
easily do. So thank you for that.
>> Sure.

891
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,800
» Okay.
>> All right. Thank you

892
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:59,520
» and and thank you as well to our co
department for being great partners and

893
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:06,320
stewards as well as public work um as
well because we have at least two right

894
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:10,800
to ario and Victor um which is
outstanding um but this is going on for

895
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:15,440
many years of work. So thank you to all
the other people that have helped us

896
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:21,159
through it. Right. Okay. So, moving on
to uh item number

897
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,920
apologize.
>> Item number six. Um we have our city

898
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:32,800
attorney um Alyssa here with us and our
city manager. So, I don't I'm not going

899
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:37,760
to read the whole entire line of the
ordinance because it is in writing and I

900
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:44,960
already read the whole entire thing. So,
um I don't have to go one by one on it.

901
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:51,120
Okay. So, Mr. Kamali and Lisa Anz switch
this over in disregarding or04-2026.

902
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:54,560
The floor is yours. And just remember,
Mr. Kamali, you don't have a mic, so you

903
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:59,520
have to move the mic.
>> Yeah. Thank you, mayor. I just, you

904
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:06,159
know, give the floor to Alyssa since uh
she's the major archite architects on

905
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:12,320
that one. So, we listen to her and see
what we do.

906
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:15,360
So, of the ordinances on your agenda,
I'm sorry. Good evening, Mayor Council.

907
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,440
Good evening.
>> Of the ordinances on your agenda,

908
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:25,760
Chapter 7, I think, at least on its
surface, is sort of the most um

909
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:31,199
complicated in terms of um what we've
done to it. So, I I I've gone through

910
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:35,760
sort of section by section to sort of
describe what we've what we've done

911
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:41,199
there. So, chapter 7 has been largely
reorganized and streamlined to make it

912
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:45,199
more understandable and easier to follow
hopefully and to better reflect the

913
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:50,640
city's actual practices and nomenclature
because there were so many times when um

914
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:55,440
I'd be talking to your code enforcement
officers uh director of code enforcement

915
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,960
and I'd say this this doesn't make sense
to me. Is this really what you're doing?

916
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:05,760
And she'd be like no we never do that.
Um so um there was a large amount of

917
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:11,199
extraneous text in the purposes and
policy section that has been deleted so

918
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:15,760
that what remains is the central tenant.
The definitions remain mostly the same.

919
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,120
However, I included churches as
charitable institutions instead of

920
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:23,120
calling them out separately which I
don't think is constitutionally

921
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:26,239
supportable just as you cannot
discriminate against religious

922
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:31,040
institutions who can't treat them more
favorably.

923
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:36,080
Um, in 7-104, which continues to cover
business licenses as before, um, we

924
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:40,800
streamlined and combined duplicative
provisions and corrected grammar and

925
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,800
outlining errors.
There were inconsistencies relating to

926
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:49,760
the treatment of home occupations that
we corrected and we omitted regulations

927
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:56,159
that are a function of the county zoning
ordinance except to say that the use

928
01:18:51,600 --> 01:19:01,520
must have county proper county permits.
Section 7105 was previously entitled

929
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:07,040
occupancy licenses and that was a little
>> sorry this before you go on they um what

930
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:11,120
have you already is this the latest
package from that was submitted today?

931
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,000
» Yes. So
>> there were two different packages that

932
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:18,840
were submitted.
>> We did we did replace it this morning.

933
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:26,400
» Okay. Good.
>> Yes. Oh, this is this is still the May

934
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,560
1st version that we were working on.
This is the April 15th version.

935
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:35,520
» Yeah, there is a May
>> that's what we're

936
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:44,320
» Yeah.
>> So, we're working on we need to work on

937
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:50,239
» I think this is still the old for this.
>> Yeah, there was a revised version on May

938
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:57,440
14th. Um, however,
>> those revision Um, Councilman Jakuda

939
01:19:53,440 --> 01:20:04,640
very helpfully with Eagle Eyes went
through and corrected a lot of um,

940
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:09,120
punctuation and um, uh, grammar and
things that I thought I'd done a pretty

941
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:17,440
good job, but apparently I missed some
things. So, um, so mostly the changes in

942
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:23,120
the May 14th version are those. So my
description so you'll have the correct

943
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:28,159
one when you when you go to act on it at
um your legislative section session. Um,

944
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:33,040
but I think the changes I'm describing,
I don't think were impacted by the last

945
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:37,840
round of changes that we made. And, um,
Councilman Jakuda, you can, um, jump in

946
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:43,600
after I finish describing this if you
want to, um, point out any changes that

947
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:49,120
we substantive changes we made that, um,
need to be reflected.

948
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:55,360
Um,
okay. So um

949
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:59,440
in 7105 as I was saying was uh
previously entitled occupancy licenses

950
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,880
and that was confusing because of its
similarity to occupancy permits which

951
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:08,320
are thing that county issues and we
don't. Um so it's really relating

952
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:12,560
primarily to rental licenses. So we've
retitled it for clarity and made the

953
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:16,280
same general types of changes that were
made to section 7104.

954
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:23,120
The code currently has a single section
106 titled permits which has a number of

955
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:26,640
subsections relating to a relatively
large number of types of permits which

956
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:31,440
makes it a little difficult to find
anything. And then it required a bunch

957
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:36,400
of cross referencing in your the way the
code is is currently structured. So um I

958
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:41,120
broke that up into separate sections for
each of the various types of permits. Um

959
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:48,400
and then we've combined the provisions
for denial, suspension, and revocation

960
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:52,080
into a single new section 7112. Um and
um except for provisions that relate

961
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:56,880
specifically perhaps to a particular
kind of permit which remain in the

962
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:01,600
individual sections.
We deleted provisions relating to

963
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:06,719
payones and newspaper boxes because they
no longer exist. and we have deleted

964
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:12,639
permits for temporary signs because the
city has not been enforcing it. Um, and

965
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:16,480
it's a zoning matter for the county.
The current ordinance says for each kind

966
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,600
of permit that the fee is in the fee
ordinance. It was unnecessary to say

967
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:26,639
that repeatedly. So, the new section
7114 fees simply says that all of them

968
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:30,480
are in the fee schedule except that it
also clarifies that there are certain

969
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:35,520
administrative fees for gaming devices
and commercial refuge collection in

970
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:39,120
addition to the basic fees and that um
previously was not clear because it was

971
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:45,600
located in the fee schedule and not in
the chapter itself.

972
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:49,679
We have moved um se what was section
107A illegal evictions because it

973
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:53,840
doesn't really belong in licenses and
permits and we moved it to chapter 10

974
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:59,360
peace and good order or peace and order
and you'll see it but it's it's in the

975
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:02,639
same your same um physical ordinance. Um
and then there are no substantive

976
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:07,520
changes to the violations and penalties
section which is now 715 except for the

977
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:11,000
deletion of fines relating to the items
that we deleted.

978
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:21,600
Do you want me to keep going through all
the ordinances or just do one at a time?

979
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,800
» One second. Team, can you also do us a
favor as Alyssa is talking? Can you like

980
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:28,400
try to show whatever is on the screen
because we're like in 105 and I think we

981
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:34,480
got to 109 or something like that,
right? Okay. So, this is like the first

982
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:38,560
chunk.
>> So, chapter seven.

983
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:41,520
» Yeah, that is chapter that is the whole
ordinance. I've been through all the

984
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:45,600
changes in this ordinance that you've
got on the screen.

985
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:51,600
» Okay.
So, council,

986
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:55,679
do you guys want Alyssa to continue or
do you have any questions at this moment

987
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:58,800
for her?
I need to just if you have a question,

988
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:04,400
raise your hand so that way I know. If
not, we'll continue.

989
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:08,639
So, we're we're good to continue.
Remember, this is just a a walk through.

990
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:11,600
We're not voting on anything, but at
least like verbally we're we're

991
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:15,120
showcasing it. Okay.
>> If I can just make a quick comment. I

992
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:19,199
think um there we have a lot of
questions, but I think it would be

993
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:23,679
better for Alyssa just to read through
all of them. Um since the others because

994
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,719
there's I have a lot of questions just
about this one.

995
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:31,040
» Well, then we probably should do that
before I go to the next ordinance.

996
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:36,239
I don't think I think in the interest of
time I I I think that we should have a

997
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:40,960
separate work session um to address all
of the questions. So I think it would

998
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,000
make the most sense right now for you to
go through everything. Yeah, that was my

999
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:47,920
point. Thank you.
>> I would say just let me know that you

1000
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:50,320
need to speak so I could like call on
you. It does help.

1001
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,199
» It's a work session.
>> Joseph and Valerie, go ahead.

1002
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:59,679
I would just say I think that especially
chap title seven I think we do need to

1003
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:03,440
talk about it in more in depth because
there's some you know this is our

1004
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,440
opportunity to fix some other things
policywise so I would like to see

1005
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,600
another work session just for us to
discuss policy portions of it but I

1006
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,719
would like to get through
>> okay

1007
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:18,159
» Valerie
>> yeah I think we should just read through

1008
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:21,280
all the changes now and then we can have
conversation if we have to schedule

1009
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:25,040
another work session we can but again
remember It's we're at the very end of

1010
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:28,000
the fiscal year. Um, and so I want to
make sure that we're, you know, clear

1011
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,040
about the timing of everything right
now.

1012
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,520
» Okay.
>> So, Lisa, go ahead.

1013
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,400
» Did you want to bring up chapter nine
then?

1014
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,400
» Yeah.

1015
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:42,120
» Um,
can can you put chapter 9 out?

1016
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,120
» Chapter nine.

1017
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:49,679
» Um, so this one's relatively
straightforward. Um, it's intended to

1018
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:54,080
replace the provisions relating to
parking meters with provisions relating

1019
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:59,679
to your soontobe implemented
internetbased internetbased, pardon me,

1020
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:04,880
parking fee system.
It also revises slightly per city

1021
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:11,199
manager the times during which the paid
parking zones are in effect. Um, you

1022
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:14,719
will see text deleted from subsection E
on page six, but that language has

1023
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:20,800
merely been moved and now appears on
page seven as a new section B.

1024
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:24,239
And also per previous discussion, we
have moved the fines from the fee

1025
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:30,280
schedule to the chapter itself. And that
now appears on subsection A on page

1026
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,280
seven.

1027
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:43,440
That's all I have on chapter nine.
>> I was say keep going.

1028
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:47,199
» Chapter 13.
>> I think this is more like a a read

1029
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:54,600
through of information and then we'll
get back to it.

1030
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,600
» Uh can we get chapter 13 up?

1031
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,159
» Okay. Okay.
Um, this ordinance was primarily

1032
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:09,360
intended to move the fines from the fee
schedule to the text of the chapter

1033
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,440
itself for the reasons we have
previously discussed. Um, those fees

1034
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:19,280
have been increased per the
recommendation of the chief. The default

1035
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:24,159
fine has been increased from $30 to $50.
The fines for parking in a handicap

1036
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:27,760
space have gone from has gone from 225
to 250 and the same fine has been

1037
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:31,520
imposed for parking in front of a
hydrant.

1038
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:36,480
The fine for leaving a vehicle running
unattended is stayed at $100, but we

1039
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:40,800
removed the $200 cap, so it will double
every 30 days as the other fines in the

1040
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:45,120
chapter do.
A violation of the no through truck

1041
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:48,400
section, which is 13118, which has been
an increasing problem, as I understand

1042
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:53,600
it, has been made a misdemeanor with a
fine of $200.

1043
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:57,120
In addition, we took the opportunity to
make some changes that are more in the

1044
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:01,920
nature of housekeeping. We deleted some
references to dumpsters that are covered

1045
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:06,000
in chapter 7. We moved the references to
the procedure for electing trial and we

1046
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:10,000
inserted references to the
administrative fees that were already

1047
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:14,040
included in the fee schedule but had no
corresponding code reference.

1048
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,920
» That's all I've got on that ordinance.

1049
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:26,159
And then the la the last ordinance if we
could get up was the one with um

1050
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:33,719
multiple chapters in it starting with
chapter 3 including chapter 3A, chapter

1051
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,719
16, etc.

1052
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:42,400
Uh this ordinance has combined changes
in the fines in various chapters where

1053
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:46,719
there were only one or two changes per
chapter to avoid a plethora of

1054
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:51,760
individual ordinances.
It amends chapter 3 section 305 relating

1055
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:55,679
to building permit fees to address the
issue identified by Councilman Jakuda

1056
01:28:53,920 --> 01:29:01,120
regarding the absence of a specified
feed for demolition of buildings that

1057
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:05,199
are exactly 500 square ft.
It amends chapter 3A to increase various

1058
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:10,639
fines for property maintenance
violation, conform certain penalties in

1059
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:14,719
chapter 6, health and nuisances to the
amounts set forth previously in the fee

1060
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:18,719
schedule as there had been
inconsistency.

1061
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:22,480
It increases and transfers the fines for
violations of the requirement of snow

1062
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:28,639
and ice removal in chapter 12 because I
know that you all had difficulties with

1063
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:32,880
um those things in the past winter. and
it increases the number of fines for

1064
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:37,040
serious violations of chapter 14 animal
control.

1065
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:41,440
Lastly, it amends chapter 16 violations
ordinances to implement the authority

1066
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:47,120
granted by the general assembly to
increase the maximum fines for municipal

1067
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:53,360
infractions from $1,000 to $5,000. That
hadn't um that increase hadn't gone up.

1068
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:58,400
the the maximum fine had not gone up in
many many years and was not um

1069
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:04,120
consistent with the efforts of various
municipalities to obtain compliance

1070
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,320
and that's all I got.
Okay.

1071
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,159
» Is there another one?

1072
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:23,480
That's the one I just

1073
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,360
» Okay. So, you
>> Oh. Oh, that's a 3A part of chapter the

1074
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:35,760
one that you
>> Oh, okay. Hold on. No, no, that's

1075
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:41,040
different. Give me one moment.
>> Yes. One moment.

1076
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:47,280
I don't think I realized until today
that that was going to be on.

1077
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,280
One moment.

1078
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,920
Shoot.

1079
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:18,960
Apologies. I said it a while ago.
One second. So, as you look for it, um,

1080
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:23,280
as a reminder, as we talked about, it's
like this is not a voting item at this

1081
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:27,440
point. And if an extra meeting needs to
have to, uh, cut it into pieces to be

1082
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:32,800
able to get the answers that we need,
that's fine. Um, the the other thing is

1083
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:36,000
like
we had to rip the garage sometime,

1084
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:39,360
right? So, we need to talk about it
today. If not, it's going to continue

1085
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,719
being pushed back and
>> okay,

1086
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,159
» to be found.
>> I'm sorry.

1087
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:53,280
» Thank you, Alyssa.
This is the one um that uh for staff

1088
01:31:48,400 --> 01:32:01,760
request um made some changes to um the
uh requirements regarding parking on uh

1089
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:07,360
residential property um to um substitute
this for what is in currently in um the

1090
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:12,320
uh international property maintenance
code. So, it will say it's adding a new

1091
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:16,719
provision that's about abandoned or
non-roadworthy motor vehicles um and

1092
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:21,120
providing that they may only be parked
on the exterior portion of residential

1093
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:27,840
property under a carport connected to a
street or alley by a driveway or on the

1094
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:34,520
driveway. And then it defines what
constitutes a driveway. So, I think

1095
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:34,520
that's pretty self-explanatory.

1096
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:44,320
That's it.
>> Okay. I just didn't want to cut you off.

1097
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:49,280
All right. Council, I'm going to go
around once in case you want if you have

1098
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:54,400
any questions for Alyssa since she's
here. Um, and just to remind you guys,

1099
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:58,880
this is not like the end all. So, if you
do not if you have a question that is

1100
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:03,199
not answered, um, we could get an answer
as well. All right. So, Joseph, I went

1101
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:05,199
first with you before. Daniel, have I
gone first with you before already or?

1102
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,600
No.
>> No, I haven't.

1103
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,199
» Okay, go ahead and we'll go around this
way.

1104
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,960
» Okay, great. Thank you, Alyssa, for
this. This is a lot of work and and it

1105
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:18,080
was a lot of work reading through it
all.

1106
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:21,760
» My brain was like, "Oh my gosh." Um, and
I really appreciate everything. Um, the

1107
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,880
questions that I have are mainly, you
know, about fee amounts and stuff like

1108
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:28,480
that, things that we can discuss with
Mr. Molly. So, I'm just going to take my

1109
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,600
moment to thank you very much for all
the hard work you put into this and we

1110
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:37,120
appreciate you coming and presenting it.
Thank you very much. Um and yes, because

1111
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:42,080
the amount of the fees I have no uh pony
in that race, so you decide what you

1112
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:47,320
think they should be and we will put
them in.

1113
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,320
» Jenny,

1114
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:59,679
» um thank you for your work on this and
thank you council member Jakuda um for

1115
01:33:52,480 --> 01:34:04,880
um your exacting nature. Um I um
I just I I am applying for an outdoor

1116
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:09,199
event permit. Um
>> Okay.

1117
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:14,400
» And I I dislike the million-dollar
liability policy. Um

1118
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:20,239
can you and I I think we've spoken about
this before um because it was trying to

1119
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:24,080
be enforced against my residents when it
hadn't previously been in the code. So,

1120
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:30,560
I appreciate the trying to write the
code to match our practices. Um,

1121
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:35,679
but can you remind me what is this like
a requirement from legit? Because I I

1122
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:40,960
just I'm really trying to balance like
community,

1123
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:47,840
right? The purpose of our code is to
create a community that we all want to

1124
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:54,719
live in and um and sometimes that can
get lost in the minutia. Um, so could

1125
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:59,120
you remind me why that is recommended?
>> I don't believe, and I'd have to go back

1126
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:03,360
and look and I can follow up with you.
Um, I don't believe that it's a

1127
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:09,760
requirement from Legit, but it is
intended to, um,

1128
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:15,520
uh, reduce the number of claims that go
to Legit um because that increases the

1129
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:20,880
city's insurance costs.
>> Okay. I mean, no offense to you. I just

1130
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:25,199
don't like lawyers, right? And um
>> that's okay since you are

1131
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:30,320
» Yeah. Yeah. Um and and I just I would I
would like to have our ordinance reflect

1132
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:34,320
community togetherness more than fear of
liability.

1133
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:37,199
» That's entirely a policy call for you
collectively.

1134
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:41,840
» It's my job to
>> I know I know

1135
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:44,400
» tell you what will best in my judgment
protect the city.

1136
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:50,080
» Yeah. Um,
>> and then it's your job to balance those

1137
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:55,760
interests against your public policy.
>> Yeah, I think that um we will probably

1138
01:35:53,120 --> 01:36:01,120
want to propose some changes to chapter
7 in particular um which council member

1139
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:05,600
Carter alluded to previously and um
we'll probably want your wise counsel in

1140
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:10,239
terms of risk assessment for some of
those changes. Thank you,

1141
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:14,320
» Joseph.
Um I'm sorry. Could I just

1142
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:18,960
» Can you add more time to the clock,
please? Can you make a motion?

1143
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:22,239
» I I'd like to make a motion to add
>> 10 10 minutes to the clock.

1144
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,280
» Just super fast.
>> It's been probably moved and second. Any

1145
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,679
discussion?
>> Sorry.

1146
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,480
» Objection. Abstensions here. None. 10
more minutes have been added to the

1147
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:33,440
clock. Just so we consistent. I
apologize.

1148
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:38,480
» I apologize. No, I not used to your
procedure. So, forgive me. I just wanted

1149
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:41,600
to ask to the extent that you're able to
before we come back to whatever work

1150
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:46,639
session we're going to talk about it if
you could just sort of highlight for me

1151
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:52,400
the sections you want me to to be
prepared to deal with that would

1152
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:55,119
probably make things more productive
>> Joseph

1153
01:36:53,760 --> 01:37:00,560
» thank you mayor thank you so much for
all the work you've done on this

1154
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:03,920
» uh the I know in my comments to you I
think I was reading through chapters

1155
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:07,520
title seven and I was like this is
>> Joseph I need move the mic as close as

1156
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:11,760
you can to you because they're alerting
me that they can hear you

1157
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:16,639
» Jason and then as soon as it gets close
then it's

1158
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:20,560
» um uh so anyway yes I thank you for all
the work on this I do think there were

1159
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:28,000
still version control issues with it
looks like chapter 13 chapter 9 and the

1160
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:31,119
various ones as well um and um so I'm
hoping that that can correct it too

1161
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:36,880
because I think there were ones that
we've gone through and added our commas

1162
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:42,800
and whatnot Um, I I do think that we
could I'd be h personally fine if the

1163
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:46,480
the last one we talked about, chapter
3A, we moved forward. I think that one's

1164
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:51,840
pretty simple. I don't think we need
about it.

1165
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:54,960
» This is the exterior parking one. Um, I
don't think that's still up there, but

1166
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:58,480
that was a pretty short one and I don't
think there was much. So, if I know you

1167
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:02,639
wanted to get some stuff done, so I'd be
in favor of that one at least because I

1168
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:05,360
don't think I don't know, at least in my
opinion. I'm going to ask my one

1169
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:10,480
question though. I don't think anyone
here is going to be able to answer this.

1170
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:17,520
So, I'm calling upon the city to use
your collective minds to answer why it

1171
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:22,239
is that in chapter 13,
we allow for vehicles that are owned and

1172
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:27,360
licensed by city residents prior to
March 1st, 2006

1173
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:31,280
that are I believe RVs. Oh, no. boat
trailers with or without a boat, camping

1174
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:37,679
trailers, travel trailers, or utility
trailers to be parked solely on the 3700

1175
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:43,840
block of Otis Street. I I cannot fathom
that particular carve out. So, if any

1176
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:47,280
history buffs out there know why and can
tell me because I would I don't like

1177
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,080
carveouts like that, but I really want
to know what that one is.

1178
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:55,760
» Thank you.
>> Please email Ryan

1179
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:59,840
» your mic because I'm not going to hear
you. Well, I just want to let you know

1180
01:38:57,679 --> 01:39:05,280
that that you're always welcome to email
Brian Nettler, the former council member

1181
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:08,480
» and former mayor too.
>> Mayor too. Thank you, mayor.

1182
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,800
» I wondered the same thing. I have to
say,

1183
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:16,719
» but now I look forward to our further
discussions on seven and nine um and and

1184
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:19,199
uh 13 because and we got some important
work

1185
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:24,000
» 16 and
the rest of them. All right, Valerie.

1186
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:30,239
» Um yes, thank you for your work on this.
Um, I uh I think my my request since

1187
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:34,239
we're going to go through all these
ordinances, I think we need to have a

1188
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:39,520
strong communications plan as the city
and we need to have like some

1189
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:43,760
visualization of like what the code was,
why we're changing it, and what it is

1190
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:48,639
now so that people can follow along um
as we change these ordinances. So, I

1191
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:52,960
just I that's my one request is that we
get that. It would be helpful for me as

1192
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:56,159
well just as a council member to see it
visually instead of just all the text. I

1193
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,360
mean, we've read through it three times,
but like getting it visually so I can

1194
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:02,320
quickly point to something, this is what
it is, this is what it's not, so that

1195
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:09,360
people are very clear, that would be
helpful. Um, so for most most of the

1196
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:13,280
time when I do an ordinance and we just
do it like most of the ones before you

1197
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:19,520
where we strike through and add stuff,
it's relatively easy to see. and chapter

1198
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:24,960
7 because it was so extensive and um
counciloman Carter knows this but she I

1199
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:28,320
gave her a red line and I thought you're
never this is just it looks like

1200
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:30,719
gobbledygook but it was helpful to her
and if

1201
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:36,000
» I would be happy to share it with
>> I'm or I am um I just I didn't send it

1202
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:42,000
because when I looked at it I thought
that would give me a headache so I tried

1203
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:44,239
to explain it um yeah but I I I hear
what you're saying

1204
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:48,239
» I just think for the um for the
community. Um, especially for the

1205
01:40:46,639 --> 01:40:52,960
community as we roll this out, we should
have a plan for communicating this in

1206
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:57,679
ways that make sense to people that
don't look at legally and lawyer stuff

1207
01:40:54,880 --> 01:41:00,800
all the time. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um, yeah, if you could send

1208
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,520
it to well, at least to me or all of us,
that definitely will be helpful. So, we

1209
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:06,080
could have it in archives.
>> Sure.

1210
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:10,560
» Um, that will help and and I definitely
will second when in doubt when it comes

1211
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:14,239
to um anything co-related in the books,
reach out to Brian. He was with us like

1212
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:19,280
20 years as well just like Mary Miles.
So one or the other one will know. Um

1213
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:23,199
but um
so

1214
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:29,679
we definitely need to create a simple
document especially for the fees because

1215
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:34,800
um it's extensive work that we're doing
here. So Alyssa, thank you so much. Uh

1216
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:39,920
Joseph as well uh to our teams for
helping and making this documents

1217
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:45,440
happen. Um it's needed. That's the
reality of it with like every every year

1218
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:49,040
legislation changes and we have to
update our documents so that we're all

1219
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:53,600
like within the same time frame, right?
But yeah, some of the grammatical errors

1220
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:59,920
were just so frustrating at certain
point. But I'm glad that it got taken.

1221
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:04,400
So I asked for one heavily patient from
the community as we go through this

1222
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:09,440
because it's a lot a lot of information.
Um but it's cleaning out things that we

1223
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:14,239
need to um we need to do. Other than
that um it is an intensive document. So

1224
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,560
I feel like when their fees are added
they could be like the numbers could be

1225
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:19,119
bolded or something.
>> Okay.

1226
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:24,239
» So that will help at least to be able to
if you're scanning through it easier to

1227
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:28,560
to read and
I'm assuming in our code once we have to

1228
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:31,040
submit this there's going to be a legend
attached to it. I know it's

1229
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:35,760
electronically once we approve it goes
to mini code. Correct. and then we're

1230
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:40,400
able to um we're able to sort out a
little bit more cleaner by by words than

1231
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:44,639
than just directing people to the whole
document.

1232
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:50,480
» So um so to some extent the formatting
for changing documents goes back to

1233
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:54,560
typewriters, right? And I have moved it
a step forward by using small caps which

1234
01:42:53,199 --> 01:43:00,960
weren't an option when you had a
typewriter and and using and bolding and

1235
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:04,719
things like that. But in theory,
you could show changes in different

1236
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:10,159
colors, right? There's nothing in state
law that tells you how you have to do an

1237
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:15,360
ordinance, right? We we we try to follow
a little bit the way the state does it,

1238
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:19,119
but I I don't personally find the bills
that this, you know, general assembly

1239
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:24,960
bills that I read to be particularly
easy to follow either. So, we could

1240
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:28,560
experiment with that now that we're in
the age of computers.

1241
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:32,639
Yeah.
>> And that might be useful to showing the

1242
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:38,239
changes.
>> Yeah. I mean, the only reason why I like

1243
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:42,159
it in the two colors is because um color
challenging is a real thing and there's

1244
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:45,520
some colors that do not show up for
people. I know I have a hard time seeing

1245
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:49,040
certain colors as well. And there's some
people are heavily color blind as well.

1246
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:54,080
» Well, that's true.
>> Yeah. So, accessibility wise,

1247
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:57,600
» I can bold things. I can there we can
italicize them. that might be a way to

1248
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:59,040
make them stand out that doesn't depend
on color.

1249
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:05,440
» Yeah.
>> Um I hadn't really thought about

1250
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:09,199
the um you know disability issues
related to putting them in color because

1251
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:16,480
that could make it harder for some
people. Um, but I guess my point is we

1252
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:21,520
can do things I think to make them
easier visually to pick out the changes

1253
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:25,520
and um,
>> thank you so much for that and I look

1254
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:29,119
forward to the to the other document as
well and um, in the communication

1255
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:33,600
campaign we're going to have to do to
put this roll it out. Uh, it's

1256
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:38,560
definitely a lot of information. Okay,
council is do I need to go one more time

1257
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:41,280
around or you guys are good? I need to
verbally hear you. Danielle, you shaking

1258
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,000
your head? No, you're good.
>> Yeah. No, I'm good.

1259
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:46,159
» Jenny,
>> I'm good.

1260
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,000
» Joseph,
>> I'm fine. Thank you.

1261
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:52,159
» Okay, Valerie.
>> Yes, I'm good.

1262
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:55,280
» All right. So, um Elissa, thank you so
much for uh joining us. It's always a

1263
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:59,600
pleasure to have you and thank you for
keeping us um very safeguarded as well

1264
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:04,400
as our city attorney for
>> My pleasure. My pleasure. I take it you

1265
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:11,040
do not need me for this. No angels.
>> I appre I did thank you in my

1266
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:15,199
presentation. Oh, that was unnecessary.
>> Okay. Excellent. Well, have a wonderful

1267
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:18,560
evening. I It looks like you got a long
night.

1268
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:22,320
» Thank you.
>> You're welcome to stay.

1269
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:27,360
» Thank you so much.
>> Have a safe uh travel home, please.

1270
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,840
Okay. And we'll see you very we'll be
seeing you very soon.

1271
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:34,080
» We'll see.
>> Yes. And all of you should respond to my

1272
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:40,480
invitation
>> after this. if I need to. Um so moving

1273
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:49,199
on to the next item on the agenda.
Uh it is item number um

1274
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:54,000
seven presentation and discussion on
emergency ordinance 09-2026.

1275
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:59,920
Mayor Council will discuss emergency
ordinance 09-2026

1276
01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:04,800
budget and member and we have with us
Ron Wilson that just joined us in the

1277
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:08,880
table um
who is our financial consultant. All

1278
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:11,920
right. So Mr. Kamali and Ron the floor
is yours.

1279
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:17,360
» Yeah, thank you mayor. I just give the
floor to Ron and Ron is going to quickly

1280
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:23,440
walk you through the items that we are
proposing to be part of the budget

1281
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:25,920
budget amendment number two. Thank you.
I'm sorry. Thank you.

1282
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:29,119
» You're fine because you moved the you
can move in the microphone away for you

1283
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,360
so I could hear you. I'm sure they
cannot hear you. Okay. Thank you so

1284
01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:34,960
much.
>> It's up in the

1285
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:40,159
» It's very up in the screen. Okay.
>> Can you guys like expand it just a

1286
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:45,600
little bit? a little bit bigger
>> or can we go to the ordinance page? We

1287
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:49,679
can see it better. Okay.
>> Okay. Go ahead.

1288
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:58,000
» Okay. Good evening. So, it's our um
annual um time to do um budget

1289
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:03,760
modification wrapup. Um most of this
budget amendment is uh adding grants uh

1290
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:12,800
that weren't previously budgeted, but we
do have one non-grant item to um modify

1291
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:21,119
in the budget. Uh if you recall last
year, fiscal 25, we did a budget

1292
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:29,520
amendment to add a million and a half in
use of fund balance for the Potts Hall

1293
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:36,639
project. Uh which brought the total to
$2.5 million use of fund balance for

1294
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:43,119
Potts Hall. Um, we used a little bit
more than 1.5

1295
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:50,480
uh last year which left us a little bit
well left us $955,000.

1296
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:58,000
Um, and we have those expenses in this
fiscal year. Um, so we need to uh

1297
01:47:55,199 --> 01:48:02,880
rebudget the remaining part of the use
of fund balance for pots hall. So those

1298
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:08,400
are the first two items in this budget
modification.

1299
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:16,760
We are increasing the use of fund
balance which is a revenue line uh 4707

1300
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,760
uh for $955,240.

1301
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:27,239
And then on the expense side, which is
account 5701,

1302
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:27,239
we are adding $955,240

1303
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:37,679
to the Potts Hall uh welcome center
project. Uh those two things um net to

1304
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:45,520
zero
um in budgeting terms.

1305
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:50,560
Uh below that, everything else is
grants. Uh I'll run through it really

1306
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:57,280
quickly. Um
uh the basic idea here is that grants

1307
01:48:53,520 --> 01:49:03,840
come in after the budget gets set. So we
we wait until late in the year to try to

1308
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:12,400
capture everything that we can. So on
the revenue side, um 4700.20

1309
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:21,199
is the streetscape uh Perry Street green
streets. Um, this was budgeted in in 25

1310
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:25,520
for $530,000, but we didn't use it. So,
we're we're adding the remaining part of

1311
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:30,639
that grant into this year's budget for
the 499.

1312
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:35,679
Um,
item 4700

1313
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:41,360
52, which is the solar panels from the
MEA. Again, we had budgeted it last

1314
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:47,760
year, but used very, very little of it.
So, we're rebudgeting it for fiscal 26.

1315
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:54,639
U 4700.47
is the DHCD mural grant for 10,000.

1316
01:49:52,239 --> 01:50:02,000
Uh that's a new grant that came in after
the budget was set. Uh 4700.57

1317
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:06,560
the um Maryland Department of
Transportation levy trail crossing.

1318
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:14,080
Again, this came in after the budget was
set and we're adding 75,000 to that one.

1319
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:19,040
Uh the next two lines, all we're doing
is

1320
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:24,639
switching grant numbers. So this this
these amounts were budgeted for the

1321
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:28,560
year, but they when the grants were
created, we had a different number in

1322
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:33,600
the GL. So I just need to clean that up
a little bit. So on the patch grant for

1323
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:42,239
2026
um we are removing that from

1324
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:47,920
grant 48 and adding it to grant 54. So
that's a

1325
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:54,239
net nonchange. And likewise the national
night out for $14,000 we are removing it

1326
01:50:52,560 --> 01:51:03,040
from
uh grant 49 and adding it to grant 58.

1327
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:08,560
So that's for the grant
revenues.

1328
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:15,040
Uh then under the grant expenses. So the
as you know the way grants work is

1329
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:20,639
revenue and expense equals. Um so for
5707.20

1330
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:26,800
for city hall. That's the streetscape.
Perry street green streets for 499,000.

1331
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:34,320
Uh 5701.52.
The MEA solar panels for 422

1332
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:40,800
58.99.47
the DHCD mural for 10

1333
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:48,560
5700.57
the MDT levy trail for 75,000

1334
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:52,560
and then 58.99.48
48.

1335
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:57,679
That's the packed grant. We're doing the
number switching. So, we're taking it

1336
01:51:54,239 --> 01:52:02,320
off 48 and adding it to 54. And then
58.99.49

1337
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:09,679
National Night Out. Again, we're taking
it off with grant 49 and adding it to

1338
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:13,360
grant 58. So, that is the entire budget
modification that that we're

1339
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:18,960
recommending.
>> Okay. Thank you so much. And just as a

1340
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:24,639
point of information to the community,
um, if there is money allocated from the

1341
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:29,199
budget that is not used, it goes back
into our coffers. It's not like it

1342
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:32,719
disappears. So that's basically what
they're more or less doing here. They

1343
01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:36,159
were able to part of the grant or not
utilize at all. And this is the reason

1344
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:38,480
why we need to allocate it to this year.
Correct.

1345
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,560
» Right. Yes.
>> Yes.

1346
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:43,199
» I just want to make sure that because we
had gone through budget amendments. I

1347
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:47,920
wanted to make sure that they understood
that it's not like all of it was

1348
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:51,119
expended last year. It wasn't is the
fact that it wasn't. So therefore,

1349
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:55,679
they're moving it to this, but we have
to do an amendment um in order to follow

1350
01:52:53,679 --> 01:53:00,239
up with it. Okay. So Jenny, I'm going to
go first with you.

1351
01:52:58,719 --> 01:53:04,560
» I don't have any questions. Thank you
for your work on this.

1352
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:11,040
» Okay, Danielle,
>> thank you. You were looking at me. You

1353
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:15,760
knew I was going to ask the um 955,240
just like with last year with the 1.5

1354
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:20,960
million. Um first of all that means that
the cost of POTS Hall went above the 7

1355
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:26,239
million as projected. It went by another
million

1356
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:34,320
» close to this is 955,000. So
>> no. So what what happened,

1357
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:39,280
excuse me, um we in fiscal 25, we
started out the budget with a million

1358
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:46,000
dollar use of fund balance knowing that
there was roughly another million and a

1359
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:53,599
half to come a and we were holding out
for grant money uh which we never did

1360
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:59,040
receive. So when we looked at this in in
the early spring, we decided that we had

1361
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:06,480
to use another million and a half of
fund balance uh to to complete the

1362
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:11,520
funding for Potts Hall
during fiscal. So that gave us 2.5

1363
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:17,520
million. We were at the time thinking
that it would be completed, closed out,

1364
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:24,719
all the expenses would be recorded and
then all of that use of fund balance

1365
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:32,400
revenue would be used. Um the project
extended past June 30. So in in effect

1366
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:37,599
we ended up using
a million545

1367
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:44,920
» of the 2 and a half
>> in fiscal 25. So what we're doing here

1368
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:44,920
is we're

1369
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:51,840
we're recognizing the rest of the two
and a half.

1370
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:56,000
» Okay. To get clear just to make sure I'm
clear because you know when I saw this I

1371
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:59,280
thought another million out of the rainy
day. So it's the money we didn't spend

1372
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,560
last year is being transferred to this
year. Thank you.

1373
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,800
» That's correct.
>> Okay. So thank you.

1374
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:06,000
» Okay.
>> Cuz you know you know cuz you remember

1375
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:09,040
last year I was like hold up.
>> Yeah.

1376
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:16,400
» So Okay. Great. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you for clarifying that.

1377
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:21,679
» Thank you for this. Um my my question
probably more is going to also touch on

1378
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:27,199
the next one. Uh the next item with the
uh review of the budget. I'm I'm I'm

1379
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:32,000
trying to understand if there's any GL
accounts we also need to rebalance

1380
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:35,440
through this because I see that probably
two of them are going to be over by the

1381
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:41,360
end of the fiscal year and mostly
they're under and did we need to do any

1382
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:46,800
other emergency rebalancing through this
emergency ordinance or so can you

1383
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:53,760
explain that to me?
>> Yeah, without getting too in the weeds

1384
01:55:49,520 --> 01:56:01,760
um the weeds. Yes, we we do build our
budget on a lot of line items. The

1385
01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:08,080
actual budget ordinance though it is
done in groupings. So one part of the

1386
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:13,679
budget ordinance just sets a
departmental total. Okay?

1387
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:17,679
And the other part of the budget
ordinance

1388
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:24,480
does it by
expense grouping for the city as a

1389
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:32,239
whole. So what those are the numbers
that we manage to so if any particular

1390
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:38,639
line item is over budget uh it's not a
problem if other items in that

1391
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:45,440
particular grouping are under budget. So
we're we're always, you know, trying to

1392
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:52,639
to balance that out. But technically, we
do not have a requirement to

1393
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:59,440
manage to each individual line items
budget. We we do it internally.

1394
01:56:56,719 --> 01:57:05,840
Mr. Kamali and I are always trying to
manage that, but from a need for doing a

1395
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:10,239
budget modification,
uh, that doesn't

1396
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:14,480
necessarily create one.
>> Oh, no, no. I I just want to be clear. I

1397
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:19,520
wasn't anticipating line by line. I'm
talking about at the department level.

1398
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:23,760
It's like I think two departments maybe
>> um going a a hair over what was

1399
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:27,679
budgeted. and the way that the way that
the report is set up, it's really hard

1400
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:32,080
to look at the groupings. So that's why
I was wondering are do we need to make

1401
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:34,560
any other adjustments for the one or two
departments that may go over at this

1402
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,880
time?
>> We don't think so.

1403
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:42,080
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

1404
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:47,599
» Because we're waiting for June the 30th
and then we see the number and the

1405
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:50,239
picture of the whole budget better at
that time.

1406
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:54,159
» So there may be another emergency
amendment coming up. So, Mr. Kamal, you

1407
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:57,360
try to get the mic in front of you.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

1408
01:57:55,119 --> 01:58:00,239
» Because they're alerts that they can
hear you.

1409
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:04,080
» No, I don't think so that we need to do
because uh I know which departments

1410
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:10,800
you're talking. you're talking about the
police and public works and I'm working

1411
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:17,599
with Ron to make sure that we just use
the same fund that is available for that

1412
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:21,599
department to make sure that like I can
tell you right now building maintenance

1413
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:27,760
in the police department it's already
over vehicle maintenance in public works

1414
01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:34,000
is already over so so we can we can just
basically look at the whole budget for

1415
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:39,520
that department and see how we can fix
those issues internally without going

1416
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:43,440
through the budget amendment.
>> Yes. I think historically this is this

1417
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:47,040
should be the this should be the last
budget amendment we have before June

1418
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:48,960
30th because we're like around around
the corner.

1419
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:54,080
» We don't have time for it.
>> Yeah. So by the time we vote on it, it's

1420
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:58,159
going to be like June. You have like
three weeks. Go ahead, Valerie. Um

1421
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:00,400
» thank you. I I don't really have any
questions. Thank you for your

1422
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:05,920
clarifications from the other council
members questions. Thank you.

1423
01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:09,920
So, um, for me, I think I already said
in my my statement, um, for those that

1424
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:14,159
are watching us online, uh, the
emergency is 09-2026.

1425
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:17,840
They basically describe it. That was the
document on it. It's just in a different

1426
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:20,560
format and it shows the revisions,
adjustments, and current budget. So, we

1427
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:23,440
already went through it, so we don't
have to go through the whole

1428
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:26,639
» ordinance. Yeah. I'm saying you don't
have to read it because you just went

1429
01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:30,719
through the other page. And I would tell
you that I appreciate having both. I

1430
01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:35,280
like this new method of having both of
because it's clear and removes the

1431
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:39,679
additional work. So, thank you for that.
Okay. I I definitely like it like this

1432
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:43,119
and it's also more in gear with what the
budget looks like so it's easier to like

1433
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:47,920
follow through along with the other
document. So, I like numbers away from

1434
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:53,920
documents so I could clearly see them.
Other than that, um I know that uh Mr.

1435
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:57,599
Kamali and the whole entire team, they
do a lot of work to make sure it's

1436
01:59:55,199 --> 02:00:02,560
stable within their budget um and
stretch and like I mentioned earlier,

1437
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:09,280
any amount that is not utilized um it
goes back to our our our

1438
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:13,760
city. So by June 30, the strike at
midnight, whatever is not used, that's

1439
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:18,000
been allocated goes um more or less
straight in. Obviously, there's a couple

1440
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:20,480
bills that are there that need to come.
um they have like about a week or

1441
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:25,440
whatever, but anything has to be turned
in by the by the 30. So that's more or

1442
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:29,440
less what they're doing here is like um
some of the grants have gone either new

1443
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:33,360
or they gone split here and they're
trying to like accommodate in order to

1444
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:37,199
make sure um get basically the money
that we had or that went back grab it

1445
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:42,000
and and put it um to be able to pay what
we need to. Okay. Um so I have no

1446
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:48,239
questions. Just thank you guys for for
the work on on this and making sure you

1447
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:50,880
um keep us through it. And that means
we'll move on to next time in the

1448
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:56,000
agenda. Right.
>> Mayor, may I may I um ask for us to take

1449
02:00:54,000 --> 02:01:03,840
a 5m minute break. It's been two hours
to get up stretch before we continue.

1450
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:06,960
» Um we could usually do two hours and a
half and then we take a break because of

1451
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:10,239
the rules. So if you guys want to take a
break right now, that's that's fine.

1452
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:14,880
Council, where are you guys? Want to
take a break?

1453
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:17,119
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, he has one.

1454
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:21,520
» Okay. I'm sorry. I thought he was done.
>> Yeah, cuz usually we do, too.

1455
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:26,159
» And Ron has a two hours driving.
>> I already have one foot out the door.

1456
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:31,199
» He has a
>> So, moving on to uh

1457
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:34,480
» the third quarter on the Hold on. Moving
on to the next item on the agenda,

1458
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:39,920
presentation, discussion, the third
quarter financial report. Uh Mr. Kamali

1459
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:44,560
and our consultant Wilson as well will
present the FY2026

1460
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:46,880
third quarterly financial report. The
floor is yours.

1461
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:52,159
» Oh, go ahead.
>> Okay.

1462
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:58,159
» All right. Um, as I understand it, you
all were given this financial report in

1463
02:01:54,159 --> 02:02:04,159
advance. Um, recognizing that you have a
very full agenda tonight. I'm not going

1464
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:12,400
to read through it line by line, but I
do want to be available for any

1465
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:19,119
questions that you have. So, um we this
is the third quarter financial report.

1466
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:26,960
So, that's through March 31. Uh we are
already in the process of

1467
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:33,440
beginning our closing out of the fiscal
year, gathering up expenses, doing

1468
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:40,320
reviews and all of that sort of thing.
Um but we did want to give you the third

1469
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:46,000
quarter report. You the fourth quarter
report that you will receive will be

1470
02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:51,679
part of the audit package. So that's the
the um the version of the financial

1471
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:58,639
report that goes through a lot more work
than what you're seeing here. Um so

1472
02:02:55,040 --> 02:03:02,719
anyway um um I I would be glad to answer
any questions that you have.

1473
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:07,840
» So just as a point of information, this
covers until March 31st, 2026 and that's

1474
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:12,320
the ending of the third period. So
that's what you're seeing here. So April

1475
02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:14,400
and May are not covered on this report
>> and June.

1476
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,320
» And June. Thank you so much. And that'll
be covered the in the four and and

1477
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:23,199
final. All right. So, council, I'm gonna
go

1478
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:26,560
I'm gonna go around if you have
questions regarding uh the report. Is

1479
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:30,480
there anything else you guys need to add
to it before I send it to council? Oh,

1480
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:33,599
we're good. Mr. Kabali.
>> No, we're good.

1481
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:37,599
» Okay. So, I wanted to make sure I give
you enough u notice. So, um Valerie, go

1482
02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:42,239
ahead.
>> Um thank you. Thank you for preparing

1483
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:45,599
this report. Um I have two things that I
want to kind of think through and talk

1484
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:49,199
through. Um first the recreational
committee grants. It looks like it's

1485
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:54,320
zero. I think there was the half I think
we had approved two grants um before

1486
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:58,080
March 31st. So we just need to make sure
that this is in there unless they

1487
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:02,320
haven't come in for reimbursement. I
just wanted to make sure make a note of

1488
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:06,719
that. Um so you can do that first. Is
>> can you guys do me a favor? Um, when you

1489
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:09,760
guys make a reference to line, read the
number so that way the rest of us could

1490
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:13,599
follow up. At least give us well this
has page numbers, but that way we could

1491
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:17,440
fill we could fill it out under what
category like is

1492
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:21,440
» administration. Hold on. Like it's
administration and line whatever it is

1493
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:26,119
so it's easier for us to follow.
>> Um, administration 01-55-.033.00

1494
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:36,159
I'm sorry 554.
It's 333.0. So, I just I wanted to make

1495
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:40,159
sure I know that this is a reimburseable
grant, but it says zero, and I'm pretty

1496
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:46,239
sure two had been approved before this.
>> Um, I I would have to double check to be

1497
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:50,159
absolutely sure, but I I do recall
signing off on a couple of the

1498
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:54,159
dispersements. Uh, so I believe that
they were after March 31.

1499
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:59,599
» Okay. Um,
>> can I also add, mayor, yes, we did

1500
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:02,320
receive their reimbursement last week.
>> Last week. Okay.

1501
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:08,080
» Yes. That's why it's not in this report.
It was 2049 one of them and the other

1502
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:13,599
one we're waiting for more information
and you will see all those uh grants

1503
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:17,280
that have been processed by June 30th
once the report is complete.

1504
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:24,360
» Okay. And then I have one more if that's
okay. Um under economic development um

1505
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:24,360
this is 01-5504.041.00.00

1506
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:33,599
economic development main street
program. Um, is it possible for you to

1507
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:38,000
walk through kind of what happened here?
Um, in terms of the main street program,

1508
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:43,280
um, this is the I believe these are the
facade improvement for the bus stops.

1509
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:46,560
Um, and this is where, you know, the the
episode of this project actually

1510
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:51,040
affected the artworks that were
developed as part of the Wulmada um, art

1511
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:55,040
and transit program and was, you know,
put together by specific projects. Um,

1512
02:05:53,280 --> 02:06:01,440
and I know that it sounds like this was
not a reimburseable by DHCD. So, we had

1513
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:06,000
to then spend $30,000 on top of, you
know, that 30,000 that we still have to

1514
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:10,400
use, which is good. Um, but I would like
to know like just generally like DHD

1515
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:14,159
grant agreements, do you sign them as a
city manager or does the economic

1516
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:18,639
development director sign them? Um, and
who signed this one? Um, and then I want

1517
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:23,679
to know know this timeline because um
September 2025 is when these were

1518
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:28,320
painted. Um and after that, um you would
have had to submit as a city three

1519
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:32,239
quarterly reports to DHCD. Um and so I'm
just a little concerned that that issue

1520
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:37,679
wasn't caught before that because if we
had a from September 2025 till April

1521
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:41,760
2026, we did not know that this was not
a reimburseable grant. I think that's a

1522
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:46,400
little bit disconcerning um for me.
Thank you.

1523
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:51,520
» Okay. All right. First of all, re
regarding the quarterly report, it was

1524
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:56,480
done by Ron Hopkins. I did not have
anything to do with it. I did sign the

1525
02:06:54,000 --> 02:07:03,040
agreement in 2024
and when he was doing the the bus

1526
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:07,520
shelters, this happened in November and
he came to me and he said that you know

1527
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:12,800
I'm going to paint those and as you know
that the property is a metro but the

1528
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:17,599
shelters are ours because the city got
the grant long time ago and the

1529
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:26,000
structure is ours. So when I asked him
as a director and and he said, "Yeah, we

1530
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:32,800
could use the money because we were over
uh close to $32,000,

1531
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:38,480
$31,000." And he said, and I asked him,
I said, "Have you communicated with the

1532
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:44,079
DHCD?" He told me, "Yes." I trusted my
and I got his signature on the purchase

1533
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:51,199
requisition that he sended to me. We
have that one. And that's why uh we

1534
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:56,079
signed it on November 18, I believe. And
the documentation is there. I gave you

1535
02:07:53,520 --> 02:08:02,480
guys all the information. In my email
last week, I listed the dates. So, what

1536
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:09,199
happened in November? We we did that
one. Then we had two more stores. That

1537
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:14,719
was Nes and there is a barber shop next
to it. The barber shop had to do the

1538
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:20,960
roofing and Nes wants the awning. Ron
Hopkins was here and he was doing this

1539
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:27,199
one and then we let him go by December
27. The project was not closed out. So

1540
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:34,320
we waited until we did close out the
project. Then Bill was given that task

1541
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:38,239
to go after DHCD for the reimbursement.
When we submitted the reimbursement for

1542
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:43,920
$150,000
for the facade improvements, that was

1543
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:50,239
the first time that I found out. And
then I did ask Bill, let's have a

1544
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:56,079
meeting with the DHCD. I did go to the
Zoom meeting with the DHCD and I told

1545
02:08:53,199 --> 02:09:01,840
them they said no, we did not have any
request from Ron Hopkins and this is not

1546
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:08,079
a facade improvement. The grant was
basically defined in the scope of the

1547
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:13,440
agreement for the facade improvement on
the businesses and we have no clue and

1548
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:19,040
you guys have to pay it out of the
pocket. So then I I told them, you know,

1549
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:23,920
is there any way that I could at least
retrieve the $30,000 and use it before

1550
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:32,320
we lose that grant? They said yes, the
grant is a two years grant and we have

1551
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:38,639
time until June June 30th 27 2027 to use
the grant and right away I tked Rosio to

1552
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:45,119
go and find more businesses to use that
$30,000. I'm sorry. I trusted my

1553
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:51,440
director and this is what happened. So
between the time that I gave it to you,

1554
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:56,239
we applied in in in February and then we
had to wait to hear from them. They

1555
02:09:54,159 --> 02:10:01,520
didn't, you know, four or five weeks and
all those dates are there. And if you

1556
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:07,360
look at the date, we just we were
finally notified in April. And that's

1557
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:13,040
that's how you know we got into this
situation. And the easiest way I just

1558
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:18,000
want to say on the record, the city lost
$30,000, but thank God we had a line

1559
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:25,360
item over there which is defining the
same thing. Main Street $30,000. So Ron

1560
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:30,880
and I, you know, concluded and I even
talked to the city attorney. I said that

1561
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:36,320
can I use this line item without going
through the budget amendment? She said

1562
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:42,719
yes because the money is there. the work
is from the same department and

1563
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:47,199
unfortunately I know but somehow put
yourself in my position when when a

1564
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:50,960
director comes to you and asks you hey
we got $30,000

1565
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:59,280
in the grant and we don't want to lose
it how should we and I got a suggestion

1566
02:10:54,400 --> 02:11:06,639
so I trusted and it I I get it and I'm
full fully responsible for it but I'm

1567
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:09,920
sorry that was one of the reason that I
Why don't you stop talking about a

1568
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:12,480
personnel issue?
>> Okay, I'm just going to stop you right

1569
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:16,239
there.
>> So,

1570
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:20,960
that is the case.
>> Okay. Thank you. So, we still have

1571
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:24,960
$30,000 in a DHCD grant to work on um
Main Street programming such as uh

1572
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:28,719
storefront uh facade improvements.
>> Facade improvement until June 30th,

1573
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:30,320
2027.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1574
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:37,360
» Sure.
>> In addition, don't we have another new

1575
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:43,360
» Yes. Yes. We we have $100,000.
This was FY2025.

1576
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:48,800
We have $100,000 right now. We just
opened the bid yesterday and that is

1577
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:54,639
$100,000.
And if you look at the DHCD

1578
02:11:52,000 --> 02:12:00,000
also information last week I received I
want to make sure that I haven't told

1579
02:11:56,320 --> 02:12:04,639
you guys. There is another $150,000
for FY27

1580
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:08,719
is listed for the city of Mount Reineer.
I just received it, you know, through

1581
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:16,079
the the mail and I think Ron Hopkins
applied when he was here. He applied for

1582
02:12:11,599 --> 02:12:21,760
26 and 27 at the same time. So, we got
100,000

1583
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:27,199
150 plus $30,000. Right now, we're
trying to find more businesses to use

1584
02:12:24,719 --> 02:12:34,000
it. And I was just talking to the barber
shop on 3,800 last week and we just

1585
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:38,719
added him Mr. Wellman to the another
one. I'm sorry. Thank you.

1586
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:42,159
» So if if we could make sure that we
don't change people's names.

1587
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:44,239
» Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.
>> It will help. Okay.

1588
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:48,480
» Sure.
>> All right, Joseph. Go ahead.

1589
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:52,480
» Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Ron, for
this great report. And Mr. Kamali, I had

1590
02:12:50,719 --> 02:12:56,400
two questions. The first one's probably
a simple one. It's in the the only items

1591
02:12:54,639 --> 02:13:01,119
in non-dep departmental are for the
principal and interest on Potts Hall. I

1592
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:06,320
see that we've spent all of our yearto
date and our budget at year to date. I'm

1593
02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:08,159
assuming there's no more payments for
the rest of year, but can you explain

1594
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:16,000
that?
>> Sure. That those um we call them a bond,

1595
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:24,000
but uh it's with the bank. Um they are
semianual payments. um and it's like

1596
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:26,320
September and March or
>> okay

1597
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:31,280
» something like that. But both of the
semiannual payments have been recorded

1598
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:33,840
for the fiscal year and there will be no
more.

1599
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:41,800
» Okay. Thank you. And then the other
question is public works on line item

1600
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:41,800
015601

1601
02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:50,320
080.
It's towards the bottom. Oh, wait. No,

1602
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:56,639
sorry. I got off 5611
uh street electricity.

1603
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:59,760
» I see that we're if you look at just the
three quarters of the year, obviously

1604
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:04,639
summer's coming, so use a little less
than summer, but we probably should have

1605
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:08,800
spent about 60ish,000 already, but we're
already over budget and there's still

1606
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:13,599
three months in the year. I think that
this is just a good example of why we

1607
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:17,119
really need to move forward with LED
street lights because they will save us

1608
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:19,760
money. to also hopefully save on that
line item below too with the light

1609
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:23,760
repair.
>> Um but in particular with electricity

1610
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:28,480
costs skyrocketing.
>> Um I think this is a good area for us to

1611
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:32,960
save money going forward. So I hope you
have can give us some updates on how

1612
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:40,639
you're working on it.
>> All right. on the LED, changing the LED.

1613
02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:47,920
Yes, we do have a meeting going on and
Rosu is having that meeting with Pepco

1614
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:55,840
and we are in process of moving all the
street lights to the LED lights and uh

1615
02:14:51,920 --> 02:15:01,520
definitely we will have more updates as
we get from you know Pepco. But we have

1616
02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:06,320
gone through few meetings with them and
they are counting all the street lights

1617
02:15:04,079 --> 02:15:10,159
and we are working on that process.
Definitely we're going to get it done. I

1618
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:15,040
promise you. But I want to make sure
that regarding the next one, the street

1619
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:21,440
light and signal repairs. That was the
main issue that we had with 35

1620
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:26,880
decorative lights. Finally, thank God we
fixed it. And that's why that that's why

1621
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:32,159
we went over the budget and that was an
unforeseen situation unfortunately

1622
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:38,239
and the first one because the
electricity has gone up big time

1623
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:44,560
otherwise you know the way we projected
$80,000 we should have been fine but

1624
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:49,520
that's how it goes but you got a point
LED it's going to save city a lot of

1625
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:54,159
money and that's my ultimate you know
goal to do that definitely thank

1626
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:59,760
It also falls under a green initiative
um document that we have created

1627
02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:06,320
» all that fun stuff. Jenny Danielle
>> um staying in public works I have a

1628
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:10,520
couple of questions. Um so the first is
um line 015543.080

1629
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:18,079
yeah whatever uh community garden. Um it
was budgeted for 4,000. We only spent

1630
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:25,119
387.
Um can you explain that? Um because when

1631
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:31,520
they gave a presentation to the council
um they talked about certain projects

1632
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:35,519
being delayed and um I'm wondering if
this is what they're referring to and if

1633
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:38,960
there's an explanation for why it wasn't
done.

1634
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:44,639
» No,
thank you for asking. As you know that

1635
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:51,200
that $4,000 was allocated to community
garden. So far they have used 387

1636
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:57,519
but as you know that there that we we
received the grant from Gateway CDC

1637
02:16:54,880 --> 02:17:04,399
$24,300
but unfortunately when we went to WSSC

1638
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:08,559
to make that connection they are Valerie
knows about this. They are recognizing

1639
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:13,840
that fire hydrant because we have to
connect fire hydrant to the community

1640
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:19,359
garden as a commercial. And yesterday I
received a proposal after Rosio asked

1641
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:25,120
Rosio to get more proposal. The lowest
one we got for $39,000.

1642
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:29,920
And if you recall, last time they were
here, they were complaining about the

1643
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:36,000
tool shed. We got that tool shed fixed
and they were so happy about this. But

1644
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:40,319
unfortunately right now uh we have
$39,000

1645
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:46,559
uh cost that we have to connect the
water to the community. We just have

1646
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:51,519
another grant sustainability grant that
mayor sended. Yes, that one I gave it to

1647
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:57,920
Bill and I said the limit is only
$10,000.

1648
02:17:53,120 --> 02:18:02,960
So again 10 and 24 and maybe that 4,000
I'm trying to work it out somehow.

1649
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:07,679
» Okay. But um thank you. And I wanted to
clarify the the bike co-op um the reason

1650
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:09,280
they were so far over budget was because
of the roof.

1651
02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:12,639
» Roof. Okay.
>> Yes. Thank you.

1652
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:18,319
» And then last question um the overtime
pay for public works um was

1653
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:22,240
significantly
um over. Is that simply because the

1654
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:26,639
snowrete or is there something else
going on?

1655
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:31,760
» As you know that uh public works has two
vacancies.

1656
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:39,760
So, and uh unfortunately we lost one of
our crew last year and so what we do

1657
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:44,319
right now we're using the staff to cover
>> and it's been hard to hire.

1658
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:51,439
» Yeah, it is it is hard and we have heard
we have had few interviews unfortunately

1659
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:57,280
we cannot find a qualified one. We hired
one and we had to let it go. So, we are

1660
02:18:55,359 --> 02:19:00,399
working on it and definitely we're going
to have I'm sorry.

1661
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:04,240
» We're going to have
>> Yeah, thank you.

1662
02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:07,599
» That's the reason that I am using it and
believe it or not, it's cheaper to do

1663
02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:12,800
that because I don't have to give
benefits and it's going to balance the

1664
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:15,040
pay, regular pay with the overtime at
the end of the game.

1665
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:17,920
» Okay.
>> So, Danielle, can you add more time to

1666
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:22,080
the clock? Thank you, Mr. Ki.
>> Yes. I'd like to make a motion to add

1667
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:26,639
five minutes to the clock, please.
>> Just add 10 just in case.

1668
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:29,439
10. I I make a motion that we had 10
minutes to

1669
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:33,760
» Could I have a second, please?
>> I'll second. Motion has been second. Any

1670
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:38,800
discussion?
Objection, extensions, hearing? None. 10

1671
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:41,040
more minutes have been added to the to
the club. Thank you.

1672
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:44,800
» Go ahead.
>> Okay. Thanks a lot for this. And yes,

1673
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:52,000
thank you for reminding me. I had looked
through this. It's been a long day for

1674
02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:57,040
me. Um I I had some questions and um my
uh colleagues uh council member Hoffower

1675
02:19:54,720 --> 02:20:00,720
and uh Jakuda touched on them. You know
the decorator street lights. I was going

1676
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:04,319
to confirm that that was all that and
>> question about the uh overtime as well.

1677
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:07,680
I have one other question and this is
you know shooting ourselves in the foot

1678
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:13,920
because it's about the council and that
is the association dues. I noticed that

1679
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:19,120
we had a budget of uh 8,000 but we went
up 12,000. Now, I do know the PGCMA

1680
02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:24,080
increased our dues, but not by 4,000.
So, I'm curious, um, is this the MML

1681
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:28,399
that has increased it? Have we joined
new, um, organizations? Why is it

1682
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:36,399
$4,000?
>> Um, MML alone was $10,100.

1683
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:41,359
» Is that that's an increase? Well, no,
that's not the amount of the increase,

1684
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:46,080
but that is the the new
>> Yeah, that's the new dues for the city

1685
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:48,720
of Mount Reneer,
>> $3,000.

1686
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:54,880
» Yeah.
>> So, we we did, you know, when this came

1687
02:20:52,160 --> 02:21:03,359
about, we did increase the budget for
fiscal 27 and that was a big reason. So,

1688
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:06,160
10,100 is just for MML. Then there's PG
>> CMA

1689
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:10,240
» 700
>> $731.

1690
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:16,880
» Yeah. So there there are several other
much smaller items that are in that

1691
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:20,960
particular uh expense category.
>> But the bulk of that was in

1692
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:26,399
» the University of Maryland Association
that once you go to those classes, we

1693
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:30,640
pay $250 for each council member one
time registration. So it happened for

1694
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:33,920
the new council,
>> the academy.

1695
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:34,880
» Yes, the academy.
>> Yes.

1696
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:38,640
» Right. Okay.
>> I did discuss this one with Ron last

1697
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:42,000
week because I said why
>> I know if you attend the graduate

1698
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:45,680
classes at the conference as a separate
cost of like $75 to $100 per class.

1699
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:48,080
» Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. Well, all right. Well, thank

1700
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,560
you.
>> That's the reason.

1701
02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:52,240
» So, so every time I take a graduate
class, you guys Okay.

1702
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:56,240
» Oh, yeah.
>> Fair. And you're taking them, too. So,

1703
02:21:54,720 --> 02:22:00,080
yeah. Okay. Thank you for that
clarification. Yeah. Yeah.

1704
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:01,680
» And I'm glad you adjusted for it in the
new budget. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut

1705
02:22:01,359 --> 02:22:04,800
you off.
>> No, I wanted to ask you if you were done

1706
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:09,120
with your question.
>> Um, so just to um a little bit of

1707
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:14,160
reference regarding MML, we were
notified two years ago that the increase

1708
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:19,600
was going to come and it was they
changed it from assessment to population

1709
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:23,439
which thank God they did because our
assessments are ridiculous. Uh so the

1710
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:28,560
difference between what it will have
been and not we will have paid more

1711
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:34,240
assessment. Uh the other thing that they
have added uh we do not have to pay the

1712
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:40,160
NLC fee because um it's incorporated
with ML. So that extra additional $3,000

1713
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:45,520
or so that they did allows for us to to
do that. But they have increased um a

1714
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:50,880
lot of the webinars. So there's a lot of
stuff that they offer as part of the

1715
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:55,760
package. And the first year they gave us
a step up in order for us to adjust our

1716
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:59,680
budget. And then this year we we paid
the full amount, but there was one step

1717
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:03,359
in the middle that um they said like,
"Okay, pay this lower amount." And we

1718
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:08,800
did took advantage of that. And then now
it's that. But um it's based on

1719
02:23:05,439 --> 02:23:12,800
populations. So we're 8,250
versus according to the census. So

1720
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:16,160
unless we get to 10,000 or more, our
fees basically will stay the same every

1721
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:19,920
year. um because it needs to adjust
another three years. So at least it

1722
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:23,120
gives us some consistency for the staff
to be able to know like this is what it

1723
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:27,280
looked like because based on an
assessment it wasn't working. Um in in

1724
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:32,720
my end thank you for putting this
documents together and it takes a lot of

1725
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:36,080
work and um I know financing does a lot
of work. I know our department has a lot

1726
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:39,680
of work to provide the information to
you guys as well so you guys could keep

1727
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:42,479
up. I think that's been a very uh
continues to be a positive change

1728
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:47,439
because as you when you guys are closing
the books but also working on the audit

1729
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:51,120
is easier to maneuver the process of
what it looks like and I think that

1730
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:57,359
overall you have done a good job also
projecting as much as you guys can. Um

1731
02:23:54,160 --> 02:24:02,479
gas I mean electricity
that was the roof um I think we also had

1732
02:24:00,479 --> 02:24:08,000
like the police department roof as well
on it. So, there's a couple stuff that

1733
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:14,160
um we have to tackle. Um but because we
have been responsible with our funding,

1734
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:18,479
we were able to like grab the money that
we needed to be able to do the stuff

1735
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:22,880
that we needed. So, um that has come out
like, you know, quite a bit. And

1736
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:27,439
it's definitely a lot of work. So, thank
you guys for um putting all that

1737
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:32,319
together. And um I would tell you the
the only part when it comes to the 30k

1738
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:37,920
um
I I would like for us to figure out what

1739
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:42,560
other um steps we need to do in between
to make sure it doesn't happens again.

1740
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:45,680
» So even evaluations say like look this
is the contract sign. So every time

1741
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:49,600
something comes up we're going to match
it with the contract in order to make

1742
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:52,080
sure it doesn't happens because that way
it allows us to be able to be

1743
02:24:50,880 --> 02:24:56,000
accountable. And I know some of those
contracts are signed three years prior

1744
02:24:54,319 --> 02:25:00,479
or two years prior. So by the time that
works on it um it is through it. So if

1745
02:24:58,720 --> 02:25:03,840
we could work on that to like write it
because our auditors love writing. If

1746
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:07,040
not it doesn't count. If we could go
ahead and do that if we haven't already

1747
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:11,120
done so can we please move forward with
it. So that way when we are audited they

1748
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:15,120
could check it to like okay this is what
happened but this is the written steps

1749
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:19,040
we're taking forward to make sure we're
not getting that position again.

1750
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:24,240
» I just want to add something to that. We
yesterday we opened the bid for the

1751
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:29,760
facade improvement. Right away I had
bill to list all the work that we're

1752
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:34,720
doing on the storefront to the DHCD and
we got the confirmation. I'm not going

1753
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:38,720
to let it happen. You all know me that
every penny matters to me and

1754
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:43,120
unfortunately
I got caught up, you know, and I didn't,

1755
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:47,680
you know, think about it. But I want to
also let you guys know that this year

1756
02:25:45,439 --> 02:25:52,640
we're going to have a two audits. one
the regular audits and then the single

1757
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:57,920
audits because of SS4A.
So Ron is gonna be busy and I'm going to

1758
02:25:55,600 --> 02:26:02,800
be working with him and hopefully we're
going to do make sure that we're going

1759
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:07,840
to meet the deadline. We just had the
first meeting with the auditor last

1760
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:12,399
week, last Thursday. They came over here
and we had a meeting in the council

1761
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:17,600
chamber. So, we're going to be getting
ready for the two audits that this year

1762
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:20,800
we're going to have because our spending
is more than $750,000.

1763
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:24,080
Thank you.
>> For the next aside from this year, for

1764
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:30,960
the next four years, we have to do
double audit. So, just for um for quick

1765
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:33,920
of information, um we managed to get a
lot of money, but it comes with

1766
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:38,240
additional uh and that's with accounting
with the reports and everything else

1767
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:42,080
that we have to do to provide constant
information. So, thank you guys for that

1768
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:47,200
as well and for reminding us that that's
an additional task you guys are going to

1769
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:51,920
be working on. All right. So, I am I am
good with questions um and comments, but

1770
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:57,280
thank you guys so much. Okay. All right.
Let me see where are we at?

1771
02:26:54,880 --> 02:27:03,760
Okay. So,
okay. Item number

1772
02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:08,800
nine that from 1300 block is still here,
right? So

1773
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:12,479
we'll take a we'll take a break right
now. So can I have a motion of to take a

1774
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:18,000
break and come back in what what do you
guys want? Five 10 minutes

1775
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:23,600
you guys. All right. What? So right now
it's 9:22 p.m. Can I have a motion the

1776
02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:27,359
floor? Thank you on state travels to
have a 5m minute break.

1777
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:28,800
» Motion for a five minute break. Please
>> have a second.

1778
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:32,080
» Second.
>> Is there probably move and second? Any

1779
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:36,080
discussion,
objections, abstensions? here. 9. Uh we

1780
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:44,040
are going to be doing a 5m minute break.
It is 9:22.

1781
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:44,040
Uh 9:27. We'll come back. Okay.

1782
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:56,479
Where's everybody?
This is like 10 minutes. But you guys

1783
02:32:54,560 --> 02:33:02,240
didn't believe me, right? Like 5
minutes. And never never have I seen

1784
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:06,479
five minutes. And honestly, like Well,
technically we had four, but

1785
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:11,920
in a meeting. Well, we only have two
bathrooms though.

1786
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:15,640
» Well, you have like we have said there
was only one over there.

1787
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:19,000
» Yeah.

1788
02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:23,399
» I know.

1789
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:08,120
So next time break. Okay.
We can never get to five.

1790
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:13,000
All right.

1791
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:25,359
We're calling back to order. Can I have
a motion to come back into session?

1792
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:30,319
» I motion we come back into session.
Second probably move a second. Any

1793
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:36,319
discussion? Objection. Abstensions
hearing none. We are back in session at

1794
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:40,880
9:29
p.m. All right. So, thank you guys for

1795
02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:47,200
that. Members of the community, we did
took a small break. Um, and we're back.

1796
02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:50,960
All right. Moving on to item number
nine, presentation. In discussion

1797
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:56,640
resolution 06-2026
and ordinance 08-2026

1798
02:34:54,720 --> 02:35:01,920
uh vice car will present resolution
06-226 and ordinance OA226 establishing

1799
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:06,960
and guarding the city's snow angel pro
uh program.

1800
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:10,960
» Thank you so much mayor. Um, after my
unsuccessful attempt to have the lawn

1801
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:15,439
angels program and its sisters program,
the snow angels considered by council in

1802
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:19,840
the fall of 2023, I decided to do the
snow angel program on my own as a

1803
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:22,880
grassroot effort that sum that winter.
In the first year, eight residents

1804
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:27,840
requested help shoveling their
sidewalks. The next year, 12 to 15

1805
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:32,000
residents requested help. Then, before
the first snowflake fell this year, 28

1806
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:36,479
residents had already signed up for
assistance. And by the end of Snow Creek

1807
02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:41,760
event, volunteers through the snow
angels program have helped more than 42

1808
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:46,160
residents with some volunteers taking on
two or three houses. That means that

1809
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:53,120
over the last three years, a program
fueled solely by volunteers grew by 250%

1810
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:59,280
before the first snowflake fell, but
continued to another whopping 425%

1811
02:35:56,319 --> 02:36:02,640
at the end of the 2026 event compared to
2023.

1812
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:06,960
I don't understand the skepticism that
surround the program in 2023, but that

1813
02:36:04,880 --> 02:36:10,800
doesn't matter anymore. What matters is
that more of our neighbors are choosing

1814
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:14,960
to age in place, are living with
disabilities, chronic illnesses,

1815
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:19,439
temporary injuries, and other physical
limitations. These residents just need a

1816
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:23,600
helping hand with things like shoveling
snow so that they can stay safe and

1817
02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:27,520
avoid code violations.
During the Snowcrete event, all of us

1818
02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:31,439
here at this table took part in one way
or another when it came to helping our

1819
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:36,399
neighbors dig out, and I am sure they
appreciated it, too. So, I would ask

1820
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:41,200
that we take one more step and make this
program an official city program. Now, I

1821
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:44,960
have no problem continuing to recruit
volunteers and match them with residents

1822
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:49,840
who need help, whether I'm on council or
not. But this program is not about me.

1823
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:53,520
It is about our residents and it is our
job as a council and as a city to do

1824
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:58,160
what we can to improve their quality of
life. I appreciate that other members of

1825
02:36:56,000 --> 02:37:01,840
council agreed that this program has
value for our residents and that council

1826
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:05,439
member Jakuda helped me with the
language of the resolution and

1827
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:10,960
ordinance. I'd also be remiss if I did
not thank our city attorney who left um

1828
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:15,600
for helping um ask questions, thoughtful
questions and tweaking things here and

1829
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:19,840
there on both pieces of legislation.
The resolution and ordinance are as

1830
02:37:17,439 --> 02:37:24,319
follows. The resolution establishes the
program as a cityrun and city sponsored

1831
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:28,720
program. And the ordinance governs how
it operates by requiring things like

1832
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:32,479
volunteer waiverss and allowing extra
time for volunteers to clear both their

1833
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:36,479
own properties and the properties of the
residents they are helping. There are a

1834
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:40,880
couple of things that I left open for
discussion and those are the amount of

1835
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:44,640
additional time volunteers should be
given to clear both of their properties

1836
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:49,760
and the properties that of the residents
they're helping which I am suggesting to

1837
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:54,240
be 24 additional hours and an aotment of
$1,000 in the budget to help offset city

1838
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:58,880
staff's time needed to administer the
program in case of a snow event. I am

1839
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:03,920
also more than happy to welcome whomever
Mr. Kali taps to run this program. Uh

1840
02:38:01,760 --> 02:38:07,680
excuse me. I am also more than happy to
help whomever Mr. Kamali taps to run

1841
02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:12,720
this program by showing them how I've
done it for the last three years so that

1842
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:16,160
that can ad they can adapt as necessary
including sharing the list of residents

1843
02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:20,399
who are already signed up receiving help
during snow events. So with that I will

1844
02:38:18,720 --> 02:38:24,960
hand this off to council member Jakuda
to make any comments as well since he is

1845
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:28,960
co-sponsoring this with me if he so
chooses.

1846
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:33,439
» Joseph, you don't have anything to say?
>> Um thank you. Um, I I think that this is

1847
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:37,520
an important program for us to move
forward with as a city, as council

1848
02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:42,560
member Carter mentioned, we have a good
number of folks that are aging in place

1849
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:45,680
and um I I know from helping out from
the Snow Creek event that those were

1850
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:50,080
often the people that needed the most
help when it came to shoveling. I also

1851
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:56,080
think that having a program like this in
place will make it easier for us to be

1852
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:59,840
able to triage who needs help with a
sidewalk versus who's not doing it and

1853
02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:05,760
should be held accountable under our
ordinances because I think no one wants

1854
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:10,479
to see um someone who's been living here
for 30 years um you know suffer fines

1855
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:15,520
from not clearing their sidewalk. we
know they need help, but others that can

1856
02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:20,479
and don't want to, I think, because we
need safe sidewalks to pass since we

1857
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:26,000
have so many folks that walk, take the
bus, and otherwise get around without

1858
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:30,479
cars. Um, and this is also becoming more
commonplace. I believe Hyetszville has a

1859
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:36,000
program, one of the um one of the port
towns has a program. I think we should

1860
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:41,920
show leadership and um adopt the program
as well. Thank you.

1861
02:39:38,479 --> 02:39:48,479
Okay, Denny.
>> Um, thank you. I um I agree with the

1862
02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:54,240
program and I just want to say that one
of the things that uh concerned me um

1863
02:39:52,080 --> 02:40:00,720
earlier this year with the snow creed
was uh the decision to not not enforce

1864
02:39:57,520 --> 02:40:06,000
our ordinances. Um I really like the
rule of law and I like laws to be

1865
02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:12,720
enforced um as written. Um, and I was
concerned that um people like my my

1866
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:17,040
children frankly um did not shovel their
sidewalk when they were perfectly

1867
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:27,600
capable of doing so. Um I was out of the
country. Um but um there was no fine um

1868
02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:32,479
of them and um whereas having this
situation having the snow angels program

1869
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:38,479
will enable the city to identify the
people who really do need assistance and

1870
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:44,000
for whom um perhaps there could be
leniency and for the rest of us um to

1871
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:49,439
enforce the laws as written which I
think we should focus on doing. Thanks,

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02:40:47,520 --> 02:40:54,800
» Valerie.
>> Um, thank you. Um, so I have a couple

1873
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:58,560
questions and some suggestions. Um, if
that's okay. I have, first of all, I

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02:40:56,640 --> 02:41:02,000
wanted to ask if you've worked with the
city manager on the protocols and like

1875
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:05,760
managing the list. Has that already
happened or is that not something like

1876
02:41:03,600 --> 02:41:10,160
has the city manager been involved in
the creation of the program?

1877
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:16,080
» Um, it's my understanding that council
member Jakuda spoke with Mr. Kamali and

1878
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:21,760
Mr. Kumali has um decided that it he
would direct who would be in charge of

1879
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:27,359
the program and uh go from that way. So
I trust that Mr. Kumali will be able to

1880
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:31,280
adapt um use the list that I have and
the practices that I've used and adapt

1881
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:35,280
them like I said in my statement adapt
them into the way that um best suits the

1882
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:40,000
staff that will be overseeing it.
>> Okay. Uh thank you. Um and then just

1883
02:41:37,520 --> 02:41:44,640
quickly um one suggestion I would make
is changing the name of the program. so

1884
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:48,560
that it's a little more official to snow
snow removal assistance program or

1885
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:52,560
something similar. So that if in the
future we're going after, you know, if

1886
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:56,000
this is a program that becomes wildly
successful that if we're going after

1887
02:41:54,399 --> 02:42:01,359
grants to support it in the future that
it's it's not connotated to like a a

1888
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:06,000
religion maybe or or angel, you know, I
I just thinking through that a little

1889
02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:11,680
bit would be a good idea. Um, and then,
um, on the ordinance, I do wonder about

1890
02:42:09,280 --> 02:42:16,080
the 48 hours for the volunteers to clear
their own snow because I think the point

1891
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:18,640
of this is for the volunteers to, you
know, like when you're on a plane, you

1892
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:22,720
put your mask on first and then you help
your neighbor kind of thing. Um, so I

1893
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:29,200
just wonder about that in the ordinance.
So those are my questions. Thank you.

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02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:34,720
» Oh, okay. So, um the 24 hours, the
reason, um I came up with the additional

1895
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:40,960
24 hours is, and this is from the time
that the snow finishes, um some of the

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02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:46,479
volunteers have come from Southside over
here and have gone like all the way over

1897
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:51,200
to Windham. So, it it's it's more of a
you know, allowing them the time to get

1898
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:57,920
not just theirs, but their the one that
they're um doing as well. Some people

1899
02:42:53,760 --> 02:43:01,280
have done two and three houses. Um so I
feel that an additional and this is just

1900
02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:06,399
my feeling of course this is up for
debate but I feel that an additional 24

1901
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:10,160
hours gives them the leniency to do more
than one if there is a need and this

1902
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:15,439
year there was a lot of need. In fact
last year I had a couple of residents do

1903
02:43:12,880 --> 02:43:20,000
more than one as well. So it's not just
giving them 24 hours to do theirs but

1904
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:25,760
it's giving them theirs and any others.
It it it allow I guess you can say that

1905
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:29,600
it um
encourages more volunteers to know that

1906
02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:35,160
they have they they feel that they have
time. So or that they're Yeah.

1907
02:43:36,160 --> 02:43:39,160
» Um

1908
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:46,960
I would tell you that I was expecting a
presentation, right? We have not fully

1909
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:50,479
heard this about three years in three
years. We had a lot of questions about

1910
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:56,560
how it was going to work, especially if
it's like cityrun. Uh we have a very

1911
02:43:52,720 --> 02:44:01,200
small staff. Um and I feel like there's
a lot of questions I still have not been

1912
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:06,720
able to to get. We I'm not even sure how
the $1,000 came in and I need to

1913
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:12,399
definitely know who are the people cuz
right now in the audience you have the

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02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:15,840
police department code public works and
I will tell you the police department is

1915
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:20,399
like down to the wire with the things
that they need to do. They cannot take

1916
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:25,439
an extra work. public works during the
storm is in charge of like

1917
02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:29,680
clearing all of our streets and alleys
and even then like dealing with

1918
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:34,080
machinery and whatever comes their way
code is dealing with everything that

1919
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:37,439
court has to deal with as well. So my
thing is like if those three departments

1920
02:44:35,439 --> 02:44:43,439
are already oversaturated,
where does this fall in? Um that's one.

1921
02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:48,479
The other one is I would tell you that
I'm very much a line of like the

1922
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:53,760
volunteers have to do their homes first,
right? And then because if not their

1923
02:44:51,120 --> 02:44:56,960
home becomes a hazard as they're helping
somewhere else. So they could clear

1924
02:44:55,520 --> 02:45:02,800
three houses, but if their house is not
on now that block is be is a hazardous.

1925
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,920
So I think that it has to be them doing
their home first and then they could

1926
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:10,880
volunteer for for something else because
of the fact that if they can even clean

1927
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:14,479
their holes, how they're going to have
enough springs to come back after two

1928
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:19,040
three houses if they can. So they will
get I mean in 48 hours is a long period

1929
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:24,479
of time. I think that what happened a
lot with the the the the snow part of it

1930
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:29,120
was that people waited so long to remove
it that it turned into ice, right? to me

1931
02:45:27,600 --> 02:45:33,279
is like they're going to go from snow to
come back and then now they have to deal

1932
02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:39,359
with ice in their home. So, um that's
the other one. Uh so I I do need to know

1933
02:45:37,359 --> 02:45:45,680
who's going to be in charge of this and
have you even reviewed the the I'm going

1934
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:52,080
to like this. Um what is the liability
for the city? I know there was a waiver

1935
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:58,160
for the the helper not to sue the city,
but is there a waiver where the

1936
02:45:53,600 --> 02:46:02,080
homeowner does not sue the city or B the
volunteer doesn't sue the homeowner if

1937
02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:05,680
they happen to fall on it? So what are
the protections? because right now this

1938
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:10,479
document just tells me like they cannot
technically they cannot sue us but the

1939
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:14,880
other three components of it are not
meant and and lastly I would tell you

1940
02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:21,680
that
um I need to get a definition what a

1941
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:27,920
snow means right a snow means is 3 in 1
in 5 in or if one inch lens is going to

1942
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:31,120
be activated and who's going to be in
running this program you see has a very

1943
02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:35,520
successful program actually taking the
training And it's like robust on what is

1944
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:42,000
it that is requiring because if you're
having to have a staff member um being

1945
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:48,080
pulled let's say on a on a Saturday to
like match people right who's calling

1946
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:51,200
that staff member to come in or work for
whatever they're doing and leaving their

1947
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:55,680
duties aside. So I know it's a lot of
cover but I definitely want to know that

1948
02:46:53,359 --> 02:47:00,240
I think there's a need to help. I even
three years ago the issue wasn't the

1949
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:05,279
help wasn't needed. It was like how will
the city administer and protect ourel to

1950
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:08,160
be able to help the residents without
hurting ourel or or hurting other

1951
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:12,880
people.
>> Um thank thank you. I appreciate that.

1952
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:18,319
Um first of all, let me address the uh
the timeline. The timeline is not you

1953
02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:22,720
get 24 hours to clean the people you're
volunteering for and then come out to

1954
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:28,080
yours. It is a you have this much time
to get everything your your home and

1955
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:32,720
anybody you're you're shoveling done. So
it's not, you know, designating what

1956
02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:36,319
they do first. So there is, you know,
that's up to their discretion. Most

1957
02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:39,840
people are going to scrape their own
sidewalks first. I mean, Brian scraped

1958
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:46,479
our sidewalks first and then went and
helped. Um the $1,000 that was um that

1959
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:51,760
is was something I put in there. As you
see, it's an asterisk, so it's up for

1960
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:56,960
debate um to help with Mr. Kamali when
it comes to staff that may need to work

1961
02:47:54,479 --> 02:48:03,040
like to make extra phone calls or
whatever in case of a really bad snow

1962
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:07,760
event. Um, my original and and I talked
with uh Joseph uh council member Jakuda

1963
02:48:05,359 --> 02:48:12,319
about this originally. My suggestion was
the social services coordinator to do

1964
02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:16,880
this because they're the one that is
most in touch with the residents in the

1965
02:48:14,960 --> 02:48:22,160
community who may fall into the
parameters of assistance or the need of

1966
02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:27,200
assistance with this. But after council
member Jakuda spoke to uh city manager

1967
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:31,279
Kamali and then discuss it with me, we
felt that it would be best to defer to

1968
02:48:29,359 --> 02:48:36,160
Mr. Kamali and let him use his best
judgment. Um and if you look at the

1969
02:48:33,359 --> 02:48:41,359
resolution, it does say with input from
council the policing code. When I first

1970
02:48:39,200 --> 02:48:46,080
um came up with this program three years
ago, the lawn angels and snow angels was

1971
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:51,680
a part of it. It was in a direct
response to the the answer that I gave

1972
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:56,160
to code when I was first elected. What
can I do to help you and make the

1973
02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:59,600
quality of life for our residents easier
as a as a joint? And they said that

1974
02:48:58,160 --> 02:49:03,920
there are a lot of people out there who
need assistance both with mowing their

1975
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:11,439
lawn and shoveling who otherwise get
violations who can't physically do this.

1976
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:16,240
So, this was a direct result of a an an
idea that came from code enforcement.

1977
02:49:13,600 --> 02:49:20,880
So, I mean, originally, if you recall,
and if you don't, that's fine, but

1978
02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:25,439
originally my suggestion was to let the
social services coordinator oversee the

1979
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:30,800
program with the um assistance with
code, and that was my original, but that

1980
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:36,160
was when I was first on. Now, after
speaking with council member Jakuda, I

1981
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:40,640
agreed to defer to Mr. Kamali. Um, I
think those were the questions you had

1982
02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:43,279
about that. Um, as far as the waiver,
um, council member Jakuda,

1983
02:49:42,160 --> 02:49:48,160
» put time on the clock.
>> Oh, yes. Um, I'd like to make a motion

1984
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:51,200
to add 10 minutes to the clock.
>> U second. I

1985
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:54,960
» second.
>> Probably moved and second in discussion.

1986
02:49:53,040 --> 02:49:58,640
Objection extension hearing. None. We're
adding 10 more minutes to the clock.

1987
02:49:56,720 --> 02:50:03,359
» Okay. And then the last point that you
made was about the waiver. the waiver.

1988
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:09,120
Um, that's something Hyetszville, it's
it's it's funny how some of these comm

1989
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:14,560
anyway the waiver HiZville um is the one
that decided to do the waiver and I

1990
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:20,399
think that deferring uh to the city
attorney to dis to design and um to

1991
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:24,479
design the waiver that we would use
would be the best practice there. She

1992
02:50:22,399 --> 02:50:28,960
knows what liabilities are needed. She
knows who needs to be protected in which

1993
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:32,160
way that happens. So those were the u
things that were discussed before this

1994
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:37,680
has been brought tonight.
>> So I did ask what activates it.

1995
02:50:35,279 --> 02:50:41,600
» Oh, what activates it? Okay. So you you
asked about inches. Well, that's that's

1996
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:45,840
an ordinance situation. There is nothing
in the ordinance. It says that if

1997
02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:49,520
there's snow accumulation, there is no
this is another one of those things we

1998
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:54,800
may need to revisit, but it does not
give a specific measurement. So whatever

1999
02:50:52,720 --> 02:50:59,279
would trigger
you to have to scrape your sidewalk is

2000
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:03,520
what would trigger the snow angels.
>> So

2001
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:06,720
So Mr. Kamali, there's there's two
questions for you. One, has legit been

2002
02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:10,560
contacted to figure out what the
liability is and what is the cost for us

2003
02:51:09,120 --> 02:51:16,399
to be able to inquire this additional
insurance to cover our residents doing

2004
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:21,200
this and who is the person that you are
um that you'll be allocating to do this

2005
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:28,479
work?
Well, based on my conversation with

2006
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:35,680
council Jacuda, we're supposed to
I think the best option is public works

2007
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:40,960
because they are here emergency
situation the director of public works.

2008
02:51:38,399 --> 02:51:47,680
I'm talking about the director so people
can register and then she has the name

2009
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:53,920
and we can go through the process. But I
am the only thing that I'm concerned

2010
02:51:50,880 --> 02:52:00,000
I see you know both sides that we got
smaller staff I know that six people but

2011
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:04,080
my my concern is what's going to happen
and I think the city attorney also

2012
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:10,319
raised this question that what's going
to happen if they are not available

2013
02:52:07,279 --> 02:52:15,520
if the snow angel team are not available
at that time if they're out of town and

2014
02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:19,680
we get a snow I just want to make sure
that if I am committed to something. I

2015
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:24,000
want to make sure that it's going to
work and it's not going to create more

2016
02:52:21,840 --> 02:52:28,160
trouble. And then the waiver, I talked
to the city attorney. She's going to

2017
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:33,840
make sure that we're not going to have
any liability for this city. And I need

2018
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:38,000
to talk to the insurance. And I was
coming to this discussion and see you

2019
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:43,920
know what you guys going to decide and
we take it from there.

2020
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:50,960
» Okay. because um highest skill is having
issues currently with the liability part

2021
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:54,160
of it. Uh DC has very clear standards
because I did do the training. I'm

2022
02:52:52,319 --> 02:52:58,800
trying to actually remove snow in the
sea if I so choose to. They have very

2023
02:52:56,560 --> 02:53:03,120
specific standards when it activates.
The other thing according to the

2024
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:09,439
ordinance and you have to be 70 and over
to get the help but it does not does not

2025
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:14,319
implement whether it's a financial need
or is it open to all 70 years old or B

2026
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:18,240
if there's an able body in the house
like an example if you have an elderly

2027
02:53:16,240 --> 02:53:22,800
that's 70 but however you have grown
children in there that could do this

2028
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:27,680
they'll still get the free service. So I
I would say at least for me if you guys

2029
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:31,760
you know haven't taken the training for
DC take the training because they're

2030
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:36,960
very specific so that way we are able to
follow the rule of what it looks like.

2031
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:42,880
DC does not remove eyes and they're very
clear like they do not do uh driveways

2032
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:47,359
and vehicles and steps. It's up to the
person and they do have a very slow

2033
02:53:44,560 --> 02:53:52,240
window. And the way it also works, it's
like the person doing the house has to

2034
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:56,240
send a photo back to somebody to show
that they done the work. So that way

2035
02:53:54,240 --> 02:54:02,479
they could validate that this is is
done. But uh there is once there's no is

2036
02:54:00,399 --> 02:54:06,800
like people could valid people could
sign up at whatever time but then people

2037
02:54:04,399 --> 02:54:10,479
call like say like hey I need the help
right and that's how they assign them.

2038
02:54:08,080 --> 02:54:15,520
So, there's a coordinating team that is
working on on matching um homeowners

2039
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:19,520
with volunteers in order to make this
happen. But I believe if I'm correct,

2040
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:23,520
it's like there I know I'm correct.
There's a specific amount when it goes.

2041
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:30,560
So, if it's like half an inch or an
inch, they're not um they're not moving

2042
02:54:26,640 --> 02:54:35,279
their their um snow heroes out into the
community. So, I think that there's at

2043
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:38,640
least for me, it feels like there's a
lot of uh things that we need to make

2044
02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:42,640
sure we have in order to get the answers
that we need because if now you're

2045
02:54:40,319 --> 02:54:47,520
asking the public works director who's
like conducting all the snow around,

2046
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:52,479
right, to also assign people to the to
this program and example, they have to

2047
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:57,120
give that list also to code because code
is also sighting. They also have to give

2048
02:54:54,479 --> 02:55:00,560
the list to PD. So I think no matter
what you'll take three departments to

2049
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:06,160
work on it because even if public works
has it if code is like out there citing

2050
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:09,680
right if they don't have a document that
says like these are the people that are

2051
02:55:07,680 --> 02:55:12,560
helping and these are the people and
they have to be obviously like you

2052
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:17,359
mentioned like it has to be that they're
they have signed up for a shift to help.

2053
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:23,120
It's not just like you know you're a
schedule volunteer so therefore you get

2054
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:26,160
a a free 48 hours. So, so to me there's
a couple more fine-tuning and I would

2055
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:30,960
definitely suggest for you guys to look
at ideally what um you know DC is doing

2056
02:55:29,439 --> 02:55:36,240
to figure out how they're able to
accomplish what they're doing. I know

2057
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:42,240
the county tried doing uh the snow
removal and they hire contractors and

2058
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:46,720
they end up with a lot of delays because
the the need was on it and they're

2059
02:55:44,080 --> 02:55:50,240
reviewing the program as well. So that
way it's more fine-tuned to who they

2060
02:55:48,319 --> 02:55:55,040
potentially could help because they bit
a bigger apple than they could handle

2061
02:55:51,920 --> 02:55:59,120
and that's reason why we had to add
additional time because they were under

2062
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:01,920
the county list and they had been
approved and how are you going to site

2063
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:07,439
them if you're supposed to be getting
help with the county. So that was

2064
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:11,520
another issue that we encounter. So, I'm
telling you this in good faith that you

2065
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:16,000
will look into those programs to figure
out how we could do it because if not,

2066
02:56:13,040 --> 02:56:19,600
we're sending the team blindly to be
able to do it. When the city gets

2067
02:56:17,279 --> 02:56:23,760
involved, there's other liabilities and
I don't want to get into situation where

2068
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:28,160
the public works going to have to choose
remove like the the snow and everything

2069
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:32,240
else and have to suffer people that
sometimes are not here than then having

2070
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:36,560
to do this. So, that might that might
stretch them to death. So that that's

2071
02:56:34,399 --> 02:56:41,520
where I want you to please um consider
and review some of the stuff that I said

2072
02:56:38,880 --> 02:56:49,120
» um on on some of your points um as far
as who um in in the um resolution I'll

2073
02:56:45,840 --> 02:56:53,920
just read these two parts um it says
whereas the American Heart Association

2074
02:56:50,800 --> 02:56:58,240
advises that persons 70 years old and
older with high blood pressure or

2075
02:56:55,840 --> 02:57:02,479
previous cardiac issues are at increased
risk for cardiac strain and injury when

2076
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:07,200
shoveling snow and should be cautious or
refrain from shoveling snow and ice

2077
02:57:04,399 --> 02:57:11,040
altogether. And whereas the community in
Mount Reineer has many residents who

2078
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:14,560
have opted or are opting to age in
place, as well as residents with

2079
02:57:12,960 --> 02:57:18,080
disabilities, chronic illnesses,
temporary injuries, and other physical

2080
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:22,319
limitations that make snow and ice
removal difficult or unsafe, increasing

2081
02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:28,240
the need for assistance during or after
snow and ice events. So, the resolution

2082
02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:33,760
covers persons over 70. It literally
says persons over 70. Um, and it's not

2083
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:41,279
just some it's it's 70. It's not income
based. It's age- based or um disability

2084
02:57:37,680 --> 02:57:46,880
um or injury or illness related. And I I
have full faith in the city uh manager

2085
02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:51,040
that once I hand over the way that I've
done it that he and his team will be

2086
02:57:48,960 --> 02:57:58,000
able to adapt it the way that it fits
into the the way that the team needs it

2087
02:57:55,040 --> 02:58:03,439
to work for them. As far as if people
are not in town, that was something that

2088
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:08,399
the city attorney brought up. Um,
you you literally check with the way

2089
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:12,000
I've done it, you check with the people
when you hear the weather, you check,

2090
02:58:10,240 --> 02:58:14,880
hey, are you in town? Are you going to
need services? So, as soon as the

2091
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:17,520
weather comes out a day or two in
advance, that's when you start making

2092
02:58:16,560 --> 02:58:21,200
your checks.
>> Mr. Kamali, I saw you shaking your So, I

2093
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:27,840
just want to make sure you know
>> that's how I've done it. Well, I think I

2094
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:33,120
think I think this is my opinion
>> uh to be honest with you with this small

2095
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:38,640
team that I have if we have to run this
program it's going to be additional task

2096
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:44,479
and tonight I'll leave it up to you guys
discuss it but uh I need to look at it

2097
02:58:41,920 --> 02:58:51,439
in the bigger a bigger picture because
public works is only six people and if

2098
02:58:47,920 --> 02:58:56,720
we have to run and administer this this
program it's going to be additional task

2099
02:58:53,600 --> 02:59:01,600
for me. That's why 3 years ago, I just
want to be frank with everyone. I said

2100
02:58:59,359 --> 02:59:08,960
staff capacity is very important when it
comes to this snow. We hire some temps

2101
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:14,160
in order to to clean up our sidewalk
over here because I got only six people

2102
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:19,040
and with six people, Rosio is not going
to be doing any work or Hold on. Let me

2103
02:59:16,560 --> 02:59:25,279
finish with this. Yes. Yes. I I just
want to let you know that and I think we

2104
02:59:21,439 --> 02:59:31,920
need to sit down and discuss this one in
a broader picture because I do not want

2105
02:59:29,359 --> 02:59:37,279
to obligate myself to something that I
I'm going to be sorry tomorrow for it

2106
02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:41,600
and I think you know there should be
there are so many points that we have to

2107
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:48,319
look at it first of all when it comes to
the snow I am really short I cannot like

2108
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:55,760
you know I try to do I come here myself
and I stay here all night still I cannot

2109
02:59:52,560 --> 03:00:02,160
you know get it over so I am not looking
to have additional task and I believe it

2110
02:59:59,439 --> 03:00:09,040
is good it's a good program I wish I had
10 people to run it and do it but I

2111
03:00:06,080 --> 03:00:12,160
think we need we need to talk about this
more

2112
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:16,399
» if I if I can ask you Mr. Kamali, um,
you keep referring to public works

2113
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:20,319
running this program. What is wrong with
the social services coordinator that is

2114
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:24,880
her job is to communicate and keep in
touch with people that literally fall

2115
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:29,200
into the uh the the the demographics
that that are mentioned and outlined in

2116
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:32,960
the in the um resolution. I mean, she's
it's her job.

2117
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:35,840
» May I ask for time, Daniel?
>> Yes. Um,

2118
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:39,520
» yes to 10.
>> Um, okay. Uh, a motion to add 10 minutes

2119
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:42,000
to the clock. at this point. So, we
don't have

2120
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:46,240
» I disagree with the motion.
>> So, there's a motion on the floor. Is

2121
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:49,920
there a second for adding to more
minutes?

2122
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:55,120
» I'll second it. Any discussion?
>> I disagree with the motion.

2123
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:58,479
» Okay. Any discussion?
Any objection? Jenny, you cleared

2124
03:00:57,040 --> 03:01:02,960
there's an objection on your end?
>> Objection. I think we need to talk about

2125
03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:05,040
this more offline and come back.
>> Well, I I think that I want to make

2126
03:01:04,479 --> 03:01:12,479
sure.
>> I So, I object. So there's two I I I do

2127
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:16,640
want to honor Nenburg cars.
She wanted to say something.

2128
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:20,720
» Yeah. No. So let me let me call the vote
in order to make sure I'm fair. So

2129
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:25,040
there's two nos, right? So 10 minutes.
Um

2130
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:28,560
» so any obstensions? There's are you guys
abstensions or no?

2131
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:31,279
» No.
>> So no.

2132
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:36,240
» I'll go step abstension.
>> So one section one and no. Any yay? I'm

2133
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:39,680
a I'm a yes. Yes.
>> Yes, Danielle.

2134
03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:41,920
» Um I I
>> It could be a yes. You could say final

2135
03:01:41,200 --> 03:01:45,439
word. You don't have to say.
>> Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes.

2136
03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:48,800
» Okay. Motion carries. So, go ahead,
Danielle.

2137
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:52,960
» Okay. Um I um I agree with the comments
um from Council Member Jakuda. This is

2138
03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:58,720
something we need to discuss. However, I
do feel that we do need to focus on

2139
03:01:55,439 --> 03:02:03,359
finding a way to make this program work.
>> That needs to be a goal.

2140
03:02:00,960 --> 03:02:07,680
» That's our Yeah, definitely. That's our
goal. Can I answer? Yeah, go ahead.

2141
03:02:05,760 --> 03:02:13,520
» But as a city manager, I want to make
sure that I am able to run this program

2142
03:02:10,880 --> 03:02:20,640
and I'm going to afford it. Social
services is not an essential employee

2143
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:25,920
and I cannot assign her. Hold on a
second. Let me just Essential employees

2144
03:02:23,200 --> 03:02:31,600
are police department and public works.
I cannot assign that person to be here

2145
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:38,640
to make sure that you know during this
snow time and again I do appreciate to

2146
03:02:36,000 --> 03:02:44,080
as I talked to Joseph and Joseph should
recall this one you know that we need we

2147
03:02:41,359 --> 03:02:52,160
need to talk about this whether to talk
about it more because the way I see it I

2148
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:56,000
don't know I just you know
however you guys want to decide

2149
03:02:54,160 --> 03:02:59,520
» where are you guys still
I think it's around for the whole whole

2150
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:02,399
home's night.
>> You exhausted us.

2151
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:07,840
» All right.
>> Well, thank you guys for joining us. So,

2152
03:03:04,640 --> 03:03:12,000
I I do agree this has to go to a drawing
board. There's a lot more information

2153
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:15,520
that we need to look into. There's a
couple programs that are currently

2154
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:20,319
running year. They have like gotten
theelves in a situation where we need to

2155
03:03:17,439 --> 03:03:25,680
also like um figure out so that we don't
end up in the same situation, right? And

2156
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:29,520
so we will have to discuss it offline to
be able to get some of the answers that

2157
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:35,600
we need. Uh because I believe there's a
different um there's a different if you

2158
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:41,680
bring non-essential staff during an
essential emergency, it's differently

2159
03:03:38,960 --> 03:03:45,120
coded. Um and do the legislation that
says like, you know, council members, um

2160
03:03:43,760 --> 03:03:48,319
I'll definitely if this thing moves
forward, I want to make sure the mayor

2161
03:03:46,399 --> 03:03:53,439
is also added to it since I'm not a
council member. So that way um any of us

2162
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:57,520
are able to refer if it moves forward.
But there I would say that the next step

2163
03:03:55,680 --> 03:04:02,800
is definitely figure out what the two
programs are to figure out how they're

2164
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:07,840
doing it. Um but also talk when it comes
to liability and Mr. Kamali um I

2165
03:04:05,279 --> 03:04:12,000
appreciate the the remarks that that you
made. So there's a couple steps that

2166
03:04:09,359 --> 03:04:17,040
happen. I would say like um take it
offline like it's been said and we could

2167
03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:19,920
figure out what what else to do in order
to to get more answers for this. I'll go

2168
03:04:19,760 --> 03:04:24,960
ahead.
>> I I just have one question. You said add

2169
03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:29,920
you to what? Did you say add you to
something? The the conversation

2170
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:35,120
» members could like um uh council members
could refer people in need.

2171
03:04:32,960 --> 03:04:38,560
» Oh. Oh. Oh, the language. Okay. Yes.
Done.

2172
03:04:36,240 --> 03:04:42,960
» Yeah. But I definitely think that we
have time. There's no snow again, but

2173
03:04:40,319 --> 03:04:49,040
it's Maruk has snow tomorrow. But we
have time to figure this out and figure

2174
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:54,479
out what it what it looks like. And if
this is something we could potentially,

2175
03:04:50,479 --> 03:04:59,760
but I know that um Highestville and DC
have two programs. And the other thing I

2176
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:04,240
will and I'll close it with this based
on the paragraph you wrote, you read

2177
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:09,680
there's no at this point I haven't heard
any distinction of where regarding

2178
03:05:07,279 --> 03:05:13,840
volunteers. It sounds like 70 and over
volunteers cannot join to do this

2179
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:19,520
because they will have heart attacks and
whatever else it is and this is the

2180
03:05:15,359 --> 03:05:24,080
reason why we we they need the help. So,
I want to make sure that that's a little

2181
03:05:20,800 --> 03:05:29,439
bit clear um as well because if if they
could get their house clean at 70

2182
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:32,960
because of the different like um being
sick, not strong and blah blah blah,

2183
03:05:31,439 --> 03:05:35,920
will that disqualify them from being
volunteers? So, well, because they fall

2184
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:40,560
under the same guidelines of not being
able to lift the snow and everything

2185
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:48,319
else. So, just hits us on that. Okay.
All right. So, um we'll move on to the

2186
03:05:44,080 --> 03:05:54,240
next item. Okay. It is 10:01.
Uh item number 10 uh presentation

2187
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:58,319
discussion legislative priorities as
Mary car will present suggest alternate

2188
03:05:56,720 --> 03:06:02,000
practices for the consultation manager
when creating the annual legislative uh

2189
03:06:00,479 --> 03:06:06,160
priorities list.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um as we begin thinking

2190
03:06:04,479 --> 03:06:09,520
about next year's state legislative
priorities, I would like to suggest that

2191
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:13,680
we consider redesigning the way we
develop and present them. Traditionally,

2192
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:18,399
each council member is asked to submit
three individual priorities. While that

2193
03:06:16,080 --> 03:06:22,080
approach certainly generates ideas, it
can also result in a list of unrelated

2194
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:26,560
items rather than a cohesive set of
goals that reflects the broader needs of

2195
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:31,120
our city. Recently, I came across the
legislative priorities adopted by the

2196
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:34,560
town of Matthews, North Carolina, and I
was impressed by how they organized

2197
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:39,520
their priorities under a broad topic
areas such as transportation, revenue,

2198
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:43,760
and tax reform, public safety, and
planning. Rather than simply listing a

2199
03:06:41,920 --> 03:06:48,160
handful of unrelated requests, they
create a comprehensive document that

2200
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:53,279
groups specific priorities under larger
policy umbrellas. For example, under a

2201
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:57,760
category such as transportation, Mount
Reneer could include priorities related

2202
03:06:55,200 --> 03:07:01,600
to the CSX rail lines that run through
our city, improvements to Rhode Island

2203
03:06:59,760 --> 03:07:05,200
Avenue, and issues involving Queens
Chapel Road. All of which involve state

2204
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:09,680
controlled infrastructure and have a
direct impact on our residents. under a

2205
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:14,080
category such as revenue and tax reform.
We could identify issues related to

2206
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:18,640
municipal funding, state aid, and
policies that affect our local tax base.

2207
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:22,720
Other potential categories might include
public safety, housing and economic

2208
03:07:20,399 --> 03:07:27,279
development, environmental
sustainability, and local government

2209
03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:31,359
authority. I also believe this process
would benefit from participation of the

2210
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:34,880
city manager who often has valuable
operational and legislative insights

2211
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:38,920
that can help identify priorities from
an administrative perspective.

2212
03:07:39,520 --> 03:07:45,840
My suggestion, sorry, my suggestion is
that we begin discussing potential

2213
03:07:43,520 --> 03:07:49,840
categories and priorities and refine
them during our September work session

2214
03:07:47,920 --> 03:07:53,359
and adopt a final list in the fall so
that our legislative priorities are in

2215
03:07:51,840 --> 03:07:57,040
place well before the Maryland General
Assembly convenes.

2216
03:07:55,439 --> 03:08:00,240
In addition, I would like to suggest
that once adopted, the city's

2217
03:07:58,399 --> 03:08:04,720
legislative priorities be posted on the
city's website under a dedicated tab

2218
03:08:02,319 --> 03:08:08,240
titled legislative priorities. Doing so
would provide residents with a clear

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03:08:06,240 --> 03:08:12,720
understanding of the issues we the city
council and mayor are advocating for at

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03:08:10,960 --> 03:08:17,200
the state level and would further our
communic our commitment to transparency.

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03:08:15,359 --> 03:08:20,479
Once those priorities are identified and
adopted, they would also serve as a

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03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:24,080
roadmap for Greenwell, our lobbying
firm, by giving them clear direction on

2223
03:08:22,479 --> 03:08:28,399
the types of legislation and policy
issues the council is interested in

2224
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:32,240
monitoring. If bills are introduced in
Annapolis that fall within these adopted

2225
03:08:30,399 --> 03:08:35,920
priorities, Greenwill could bring them
to the council for consideration and

2226
03:08:33,920 --> 03:08:39,520
possible support. This would create a
more organized and collaborative process

2227
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:43,439
and help ensure that our advocacy
efforts are guided by priorities that

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03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:47,359
have been discussed and approved by the
council as a whole. Ultimately, the goal

2229
03:08:45,760 --> 03:08:50,960
is to move from a simple list of three
priorities per council member to a

2230
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:54,800
collaborative and comprehensive policy
document that reflects our shared goals

2231
03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:58,160
as a council and mayor, incorporates
input from staff, and serves as a

2232
03:08:56,479 --> 03:09:02,160
roadmap for our advocacy efforts in
Annapolis. I believe this approach would

2233
03:09:00,479 --> 03:09:05,439
result in a stronger and more thoughtful
legislative agenda, and I hope the

2234
03:09:03,680 --> 03:09:10,279
council will consider adopting this
frame, this framework moving forward.

2235
03:09:10,479 --> 03:09:18,880
and I've um submitted the uh this is off
of their website. Oops, I'm sorry.

2236
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:23,520
Sorry. This is off their website. So,
this is actually the blueprint that I'm

2237
03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:27,040
speaking of. You have the main topics
like local government revenues and tax

2238
03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:31,920
reform and then the priorities
individual identified. So under

2239
03:09:29,279 --> 03:09:37,600
transportation for us it would be CSX
issues with trail uh with train it would

2240
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:41,760
be things uh dealing with Shaw or Rhode
Island Avenue, Queens Chapel um

2241
03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:46,640
government revenues and tax reform
things of that nature. So that would be

2242
03:09:44,240 --> 03:09:52,800
tailored to fit Mount Reineer not only
in the umbrellas but in the um items

2243
03:09:49,680 --> 03:09:55,800
underneath. Thank you.
>> Okay.

2244
03:09:57,359 --> 03:10:06,640
Um I um I agree with Council Member
Carter's uh presentation. I struggled um

2245
03:10:04,800 --> 03:10:12,479
during this last legislative session to
understand where uh the priorities came

2246
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:17,040
from that our lobbyists um were given
and and what guidance um they were

2247
03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:21,000
receiving since it had not come from the
council. Thank you.

2248
03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:29,920
» I would concur with uh what council
members Carter and Hoff said. I think

2249
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:35,520
it's important for us to discuss our
legislative priorities clearly with a

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03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:40,880
guide towards that we are discussing
state legislation or county legislation.

2251
03:10:38,479 --> 03:10:44,319
Um I I don't think we should be our
lobbyists should be reading the tea

2252
03:10:42,479 --> 03:10:50,560
leaves through resolutions that were
passed several council members ago. we

2253
03:10:46,399 --> 03:10:55,760
were elected to in this current time in
this current body to be making our best

2254
03:10:53,439 --> 03:11:02,240
judgments about how to move forward as a
city. And I think that having an

2255
03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:07,040
approach like this where we're clearly
laying out our legislative priorities

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03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:11,200
for the year as a council, as a body, um
is an important step forward. And

2257
03:11:09,439 --> 03:11:16,080
September,
I think, seems like a reasonable time

2258
03:11:13,279 --> 03:11:23,479
frame. Um but I
I would concur. I would I would defer if

2259
03:11:18,479 --> 03:11:23,479
others have thoughts on that time frame.

2260
03:11:24,399 --> 03:11:33,200
» Um, thank you. Um, so
a few things. I think having a document

2261
03:11:30,880 --> 03:11:37,279
that sort of resembles this would be
helpful um to have on the city website.

2262
03:11:35,279 --> 03:11:41,600
I think that I agree with that. Um, but
I do think that we have to think through

2263
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:46,080
the timeline a little bit. Um, we have
MML coming up in June. um and have the

2264
03:11:44,240 --> 03:11:52,000
reason this document was created the way
it is is because we were able to then go

2265
03:11:48,720 --> 03:11:55,680
to the all directors meetings at MML and
talk to them directly about the

2266
03:11:53,840 --> 03:12:00,160
priorities we wanted to see happening.
So for example, it was specific things

2267
03:11:57,680 --> 03:12:03,840
like POTS Hall, Memorial Park, when we
talk about academic development, we talk

2268
03:12:01,760 --> 03:12:08,560
about Gateway CDC, like these are the
things that we were talking about in

2269
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:12,560
terms of um how we, you know, kind of
frame what we're going to be working on

2270
03:12:10,000 --> 03:12:15,680
for the full year. It also helped for
the city manager to understand the

2271
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:19,680
direction the council was generally
going in. So that you know if for

2272
03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:23,200
example we all said public safety was
the number one thing that then we would

2273
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:26,560
go after grants related to public
safety. If we said economic development

2274
03:12:25,200 --> 03:12:30,000
we would continue on main street
programming and talking about those

2275
03:12:28,399 --> 03:12:33,040
things. So I think this process had
worked for a very long time. I

2276
03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:36,880
understand that we have a new council
and so things might have to change a

2277
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:42,080
little bit but I do think you we have
MML in June. we have the U. Mako, the

2278
03:12:40,160 --> 03:12:46,399
Maryland Association of Counties. This
is when a lot of those discussions

2279
03:12:43,600 --> 03:12:49,760
happen in in these conferences. And so I
think waiting till September to really

2280
03:12:48,399 --> 03:12:54,240
put this together is going to be a
little too late for those initial

2281
03:12:51,680 --> 03:12:56,960
conversations that people are having. Um
and so I do want to protect this. I

2282
03:12:55,920 --> 03:13:00,560
think we should have a conversation
about our general buckets of city

2283
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:04,800
priorities. If we need to refine the
list in September, we can do that when

2284
03:13:02,800 --> 03:13:08,720
we have all the more information on kind
of what the general assembly is going to

2285
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:12,080
be working on. They don't assign bill
numbers until like January, so we're not

2286
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:17,120
going to be able to get to that level of
detail, but we can certainly add to the

2287
03:13:15,120 --> 03:13:24,640
list of priorities that we have kind of
bucketed out at this meeting. Thank you.

2288
03:13:21,760 --> 03:13:28,640
» So, let me
um so I will tell you guys the thing

2289
03:13:26,640 --> 03:13:34,239
September definitely does not work. The
larks are to be voted by January, by

2290
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:37,840
June. So, we will miss completely
submitting any larks, right? And if you

2291
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:43,600
don't know what it is, you guys will got
an email from MML. Those are the city

2292
03:13:41,200 --> 03:13:49,520
suggesting a priority to MML for them to
potentially look into. Um, usually their

2293
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:54,479
uh legislative team and the legislative
committee look into it and then they

2294
03:13:52,080 --> 03:14:00,239
come out with it. Right? So that is to
this reason why we're discussing it in

2295
03:13:56,560 --> 03:14:06,720
May because we have to have voted um as
a body in June and if we don't vote as a

2296
03:14:04,080 --> 03:14:13,760
body in June uh for this particular
piece of the puzzle, right? Uh we cannot

2297
03:14:09,920 --> 03:14:19,760
submit uh alert. So just be be aware of
that. Uh the other thing to point out is

2298
03:14:18,239 --> 03:14:23,840
you guys want a document that details
what we've been doing on your cool. I

2299
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:27,279
have no objection to it, but let's I
just want to make sure we we stay

2300
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:30,880
realistically that the numbers don't
even come out in January at times.

2301
03:14:29,200 --> 03:14:36,640
Sometimes they come out in like
February, right? So, we have three

2302
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:41,600
voting meetings during this 90 days. And
I think that trying to get us to vote on

2303
03:14:39,680 --> 03:14:46,000
legislation
um is we're going to be falling behind.

2304
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:51,200
Uh there's sometimes where we get notice
on

2305
03:14:47,760 --> 03:14:55,600
on Monday that we have to um speak on
Tuesday or submit testimony or like

2306
03:14:53,600 --> 03:15:00,960
request a testimony on Tuesday to speak
on Wednesday as an example, right? The

2307
03:14:57,680 --> 03:15:05,120
turnaround is really really fast. So I
would say the other thing to point out

2308
03:15:02,560 --> 03:15:10,479
is like um
I I I I feel that

2309
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:13,840
the system had worked for many years
because we simplified as much as we

2310
03:15:12,239 --> 03:15:17,760
could. So that way during the summer the
city manager was aware like hey this is

2311
03:15:16,319 --> 03:15:21,040
what our priorities are and then the
team will work during the summer to

2312
03:15:19,279 --> 03:15:24,479
figure out like if they're grants we
need to look information we need to look

2313
03:15:22,640 --> 03:15:28,880
forward right so it gave them at least
some time for them to also like adjust

2314
03:15:26,399 --> 03:15:32,720
and then focus on those three items
right this doesn't means to say that we

2315
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:36,560
have a thousand things but I think it it
made it um smoother and at least that

2316
03:15:35,359 --> 03:15:42,239
method if it doesn't work to this
council fine we could just some of it um

2317
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:47,760
if not mistaken it's been I want to say
be four councils that we have done this

2318
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:52,880
on um that we had you know reduced it on
it but when it comes to the quote

2319
03:15:50,080 --> 03:15:56,880
unquote buckets uh we could list them up
but for the majority of the part um and

2320
03:15:55,359 --> 03:16:01,120
this is not just legislation that we
have passed prior we actually passed

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03:15:58,800 --> 03:16:05,840
human rights legislation you know
talking about you know um abortion being

2322
03:16:04,160 --> 03:16:11,520
a human right the city marine this
council passed this so if there's a

2323
03:16:08,319 --> 03:16:14,960
build in the legislation that you know
makes reference. I think that is

2324
03:16:12,960 --> 03:16:20,479
definitely uh something that we
currently have passed and I'll tell you

2325
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:26,560
guys the rules do not disappear the same
way the city manager is tasked with all

2326
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:31,920
116 years. So the rules as they stand so
are we right. Uh the books have usually

2327
03:16:30,080 --> 03:16:35,760
been in the lobby has done a good job in
making sure if it's anything that's

2328
03:16:33,200 --> 03:16:40,960
safety they they will like notify us in
the bill trackers right when it comes to

2329
03:16:38,560 --> 03:16:44,640
mandates that have no funding. They will
notify us for us to be aware because

2330
03:16:42,800 --> 03:16:48,239
that means the city's required to follow
the law and there's no money attached.

2331
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:52,239
So usually that's when we react and say
hey wait a minute we need to make you

2332
03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:56,239
aware that if this happens you know you
have to attach money for it. The other

2333
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:59,600
thing when it comes to like human rights
or immigration in this sense, right?

2334
03:16:58,160 --> 03:17:02,720
That's legislation that we also passed
this year. But it's something like, you

2335
03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:06,160
know, they always look anything that
will harm our residents, you know, or

2336
03:17:04,880 --> 03:17:10,080
the safety of them. That's something
that's also bucket. And I have a problem

2337
03:17:08,560 --> 03:17:13,040
if you guys wanted to write them down,
they will write them down, but the

2338
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:17,120
lobbyist is basically alert us if
there's anything where there's a

2339
03:17:14,080 --> 03:17:21,040
priority of ours or not. they will let
you know they will let us know because

2340
03:17:18,479 --> 03:17:24,479
we're all copy and every week we get a a
report that says like hey this is the

2341
03:17:22,319 --> 03:17:30,479
bill we're tracking and you guys are
welcome to ask them so I would say we

2342
03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:36,640
could expand the document to to add the
other stuff that we need that's fine but

2343
03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:41,439
at time wise um we are running against
the the clock of of the things that we

2344
03:17:38,960 --> 03:17:45,200
need to do so the next item the agenda
is like you know we were supposed to

2345
03:17:42,960 --> 03:17:49,680
bring um the three items in order to
figure out like and and I'll be honest

2346
03:17:47,200 --> 03:17:55,120
with you, it was originally done to
figure out what we could agree on so

2347
03:17:53,120 --> 03:18:00,160
that staff will have a clear message
across uh because a lot of us have like

2348
03:17:57,680 --> 03:18:04,239
20 different items a year but we want to
make sure it was realistic for us to say

2349
03:18:01,600 --> 03:18:09,359
Mr. Ali, this is like the priorities for
this year and we could like figure out

2350
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:12,160
if we get them across. The problem with
having 20 different things that reality

2351
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:17,359
is like the staff cannot do 20 different
things. So that challenges so I will

2352
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:20,880
stay with that. I have no problem in in
if you guys want to create a document

2353
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:25,439
post it. I know we read it and post it.
So that way also will reme will remind

2354
03:18:22,720 --> 03:18:28,800
the you know all of us like what they
what they are because for a minute there

2355
03:18:27,359 --> 03:18:35,520
there was also confusion of what they
were and but their list are there and we

2356
03:18:31,439 --> 03:18:42,560
could publish them so that way there is
>> okay um to respond to both of you um and

2357
03:18:39,920 --> 03:18:48,080
just to be clear what what we're doing
next on the agenda is not setting our

2358
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:50,960
legit legislative agenda for our
priorities for the upcoming general

2359
03:18:50,080 --> 03:18:55,840
assembly.
What we're doing is looking at what we

2360
03:18:53,120 --> 03:19:02,640
want to see done in the city, not state
legislation. There is a vast difference.

2361
03:18:58,160 --> 03:19:06,000
I mean, there there is a difference. Um,
and and I mean, we've seen it like the

2362
03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:10,160
safe streets for all. That's not state
legislation. Yet, that was one of our

2363
03:19:08,160 --> 03:19:13,760
priorities a couple of years ago and it
stayed that way. That's, you know,

2364
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:18,800
that's literally here. Stop sign
legislation. That's that's general

2365
03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:23,520
assembly. But things that focus on city
priorities is that giving Mr. Kamali

2366
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:27,439
marching orders is literally a city
issue. We're talking about legislative.

2367
03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:33,120
We're talking about things that happened
in the general assembly in in Annapolis,

2368
03:19:30,080 --> 03:19:36,880
giving our um essentially giving our
lobbyists the marching orders. So the we

2369
03:19:35,439 --> 03:19:42,319
are talking about two completely
different things. And I think that that

2370
03:19:38,720 --> 03:19:46,720
that that um
designation that they are two different

2371
03:19:44,080 --> 03:19:52,479
things needs to be highlighted as as to
the voting. You you speak about voting

2372
03:19:49,439 --> 03:19:56,960
when when when we get like if if we have
this, which I hope we will um and

2373
03:19:54,560 --> 03:20:00,800
Greenwill sees, hey, there's a there's a
bill coming up that fits under their

2374
03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:06,640
transportation for CSX, just as an
example, they send it to us. It is an

2375
03:20:03,840 --> 03:20:10,640
administrative vote. We can do that at a
work session. we do not need a

2376
03:20:08,239 --> 03:20:15,120
legislative um session. It does not bear
the weight of law. We've had this

2377
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:19,439
discussion ad nauseium. Um so I mean
just like if you brought like um a

2378
03:20:17,520 --> 03:20:23,680
letter from someone to ask for support
for something happening in the county,

2379
03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:30,239
we do not need to legislate it over the
course of two to four weeks. So I would

2380
03:20:27,279 --> 03:20:34,800
argue that this um that we do not need
to make this harder than it has to be.

2381
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:39,200
And I think dragging it out and and and
and putting assigning all these

2382
03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:44,239
different stipulations to it is
literally making something so simple

2383
03:20:41,760 --> 03:20:48,479
extremely complicated and confusing not
only for the people who are watching us

2384
03:20:46,479 --> 03:20:52,479
and for others on council but for Mr.
Kamali and the staff because that this

2385
03:20:50,640 --> 03:20:56,479
is going to confuse legislation in
Annapolis with city priorities. So

2386
03:20:55,040 --> 03:21:02,960
that's my argument back
>> to clarify the large are legislative

2387
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:07,279
priorities we want to submit to MML this
technically what they are so they're not

2388
03:21:05,279 --> 03:21:13,200
just city but it's like as a city we let
them know like an example when hur was

2389
03:21:10,560 --> 03:21:19,520
cut off we've been having the the large
for um highway user revenue to be like

2390
03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:22,800
um moved to 100% right we still don't
have that but we managed to get some of

2391
03:21:21,040 --> 03:21:27,200
the money back right but that is
something that as as members of MML

2392
03:21:25,600 --> 03:21:33,279
several of us like said like hey like
this has something to do with it right

2393
03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:37,279
when it came to this to the ability for
trained nonofficers to be able to review

2394
03:21:35,359 --> 03:21:43,200
the stuff like that that's another lark
right the last priority for MML that um

2395
03:21:40,880 --> 03:21:47,359
which created a study to be able to find
what the revenue was that's in Annapolis

2396
03:21:45,680 --> 03:21:50,560
legisl
I want to make sure that we are clear

2397
03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:54,560
that the next point is going to be
talking about that it's not just going

2398
03:21:52,479 --> 03:21:59,680
to be talking about like do we
prioritize X or B? Thank you, Mr.

2399
03:21:56,640 --> 03:22:03,200
Kamali. Um, I'd like to somebody put 10
minutes on the clock, please.

2400
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:09,279
» Or we could drop it and then move on to
the next item. It's up to you guys.

2401
03:22:06,960 --> 03:22:14,800
» I'll make a motion at 10 minutes.
>> Is there a second?

2402
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:19,359
Second. Uh, discussion, objection,
abstensions, hearing none. We have 10

2403
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:22,399
more minutes on the clock. So, I just
want to be clear that that's what's

2404
03:22:20,479 --> 03:22:26,319
going to be the next step in order for
us because we have to have a vote on

2405
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:33,040
what the city considers a legislative
priority for us to be able to ask MML if

2406
03:22:30,640 --> 03:22:39,279
they will um include it for the
legislative stuff or not. And the

2407
03:22:36,160 --> 03:22:42,160
deadline is uh vote by June. So, we
could let them know like, hey, we

2408
03:22:40,319 --> 03:22:45,920
discussed this here, but it has to vote
by June. If not, we cannot submit it.

2409
03:22:44,239 --> 03:22:51,439
So, I know I thought I was one like
seeing the lights off. Um, so, oh, the

2410
03:22:48,800 --> 03:22:57,040
the overhead projector. So, I just want
to make sure that that is uh clear.

2411
03:22:54,080 --> 03:23:02,560
» I'm sorry. I I that that did not happen
last year, Mayor. And I'm I'm

2412
03:23:00,399 --> 03:23:07,439
there is a a disconnect between what
you're saying and the facts. And and

2413
03:23:05,439 --> 03:23:11,439
last year when we discussed the
legislative priorities, we were

2414
03:23:09,279 --> 03:23:17,120
discussing, as Council Member Carter
noted, our priorities for legislation at

2415
03:23:14,160 --> 03:23:24,640
the municipal level. We never discussed
in council the legislative priorities

2416
03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:30,080
for MML or for um the general assembly.
And I'm tired of the misstatements being

2417
03:23:27,120 --> 03:23:35,680
made about this. It was not discussed.
And so I I'd like to correct the record

2418
03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:43,760
that you have made a lot of
misstatements about this. And and I I

2419
03:23:40,319 --> 03:23:49,040
hope that this year um we can operate
differently. Again, item number 11, the

2420
03:23:47,200 --> 03:23:55,680
agenda states, Maryland municipal league
and state priorities are next on the

2421
03:23:51,840 --> 03:24:00,080
item. MML decides when those deadlines
are to be submitted and there's things

2422
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:04,319
that happened before you guys were
elected. I just want to make sure it's

2423
03:24:02,239 --> 03:24:07,760
clear and I'm not misspeaking. The
reason why added, we all got the email

2424
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:11,600
from MML saying, "Hey, this is the
procedure on it and here it is. I'm

2425
03:24:10,239 --> 03:24:17,200
bringing it to a table to give us a
chance in case we want to submit

2426
03:24:13,680 --> 03:24:20,720
something. So I I understand that for
some people it's okay for them to

2427
03:24:18,399 --> 03:24:23,920
continue chastising me and that has to
end. It's against the council rules. So

2428
03:24:22,960 --> 03:24:29,200
we need to stop.
>> No. Um no mayor. Mayor actually. So we

2429
03:24:27,760 --> 03:24:35,359
don't operate according to Robert's
rules. It's a work session. Mayor

2430
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:41,520
Bonitz, you violated the council rules
by submitting statements to the general

2431
03:24:38,080 --> 03:24:47,439
assembly purporting to rec to represent
the city's position on legislation. And

2432
03:24:44,399 --> 03:24:53,120
we never as a council discussed those
positions and you violated the council

2433
03:24:50,479 --> 03:24:59,040
rules every time you did so. I believe
you submitted 13 statements last year to

2434
03:24:57,200 --> 03:25:04,640
the general assembly purporting to
represent us when in fact we never

2435
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:10,880
discussed it as a council. So the rule
violation was by you

2436
03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:15,920
» again. How does that relate to us
speaking about the large for MML today

2437
03:25:14,000 --> 03:25:18,640
that are due in June? Absolutely
nothing. You just want to take a jab at

2438
03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:24,239
me. So I want to make sure that
something is clear. I operated in the

2439
03:25:22,560 --> 03:25:29,920
same way we have operated for the last
nine years. Okay. If there was a change

2440
03:25:27,600 --> 03:25:33,359
the council needed to do, fine. That's
okay. But I think that there's a

2441
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:37,920
disconnect on how we have previously
operated to what it is. I did not went

2442
03:25:35,520 --> 03:25:42,479
out of my way. Okay. There has been
resolutions and values and stuff like

2443
03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:47,920
that the city has upheld for years
including stuff that this council has

2444
03:25:44,399 --> 03:25:54,000
voted on. So I want to make sure that as
we put statements as such, we bring it

2445
03:25:50,880 --> 03:25:59,439
back to the point of this. The next step
for item number 11 is for us to think

2446
03:25:56,640 --> 03:26:06,000
about whether or not we want to submit a
legislative priority or not to MML

2447
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:13,279
because according to their rules, the
new deadline is speak about it voted by

2448
03:26:09,920 --> 03:26:17,680
June. So this is not a rule that I put
together. This is the new deadline that

2449
03:26:15,279 --> 03:26:24,000
they set up this year for us to do. So,
I'm trying. All I did was like bring it

2450
03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:27,279
to the table and nothing else. I'm
haven't I haven't There's nothing else

2451
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:29,760
to discuss. If there's nothing else you
guys want to do with it, go ahead,

2452
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:34,239
Joseph.
>> Um, mayor, I believe we're still on

2453
03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:39,200
agenda item 10. Not we haven't moved on
to agenda item 11 to discuss the MML.

2454
03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:44,080
Um, though I also noticed there's no
document to discuss in regards to that.

2455
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:51,359
But um I did want to point out that we
did vote on the council rules um when we

2456
03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:56,000
all took our oaths on in May and they
have been in place since July 5th of or

2457
03:26:53,920 --> 03:27:00,479
June 5th of 2018 and they do
specifically say the mayor and council

2458
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:03,439
shall members shall not affirm to
represent the voices of their

2459
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:08,800
constituents on issues outside of the
city's jurisdiction eg county, state or

2460
03:27:06,800 --> 03:27:15,439
federal issues except in the case of
approval by the majority of the council.

2461
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:22,800
The council did not vote on HB 1317. The
council did not vote on HB486.

2462
03:27:18,720 --> 03:27:29,760
Council B did not work vote on HB178
this session. We did not vote on

2463
03:27:25,920 --> 03:27:34,160
» SB36. We did not vote on HB923. We did
not vote on SB526. We not voted on HB

2464
03:27:33,520 --> 03:27:37,439
35.
>> You up for a minute because it's two

2465
03:27:35,600 --> 03:27:40,080
different discussions. This is
discussing the document that Danielle

2466
03:27:39,439 --> 03:27:42,800
brought up
>> and that is why we need to have a clear

2467
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:46,160
document.
>> Nobody's saying we don't need to. I

2468
03:27:44,319 --> 03:27:50,640
heard council member Valerie Wood saying
like they will support a document as

2469
03:27:48,160 --> 03:27:55,120
such. I said the same thing.
>> The only thing nobody else has said we

2470
03:27:52,800 --> 03:27:58,239
don't need it. We specifically said if
this is like what will work for this

2471
03:27:56,640 --> 03:28:02,080
council, we could adjust it to make it
work. So to me, that's the reason why

2472
03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:06,479
I'm a little bit concerned that this
conversation has gone way on the other

2473
03:28:04,080 --> 03:28:11,600
side to attacking me when everybody has
said like we could do a version of that

2474
03:28:09,279 --> 03:28:16,479
document if that will facilitate it,
post it in whatever else is. So there's

2475
03:28:13,840 --> 03:28:19,920
no so for it to go beyond that. That's
the reason why I want to make sure it's

2476
03:28:17,840 --> 03:28:24,000
clear unless Valerie am I misreading
what you said about like creating a

2477
03:28:21,600 --> 03:28:28,319
document such as is another point you
also made.

2478
03:28:26,319 --> 03:28:31,920
Valerie.
>> Yes. I think if we want to have a more

2479
03:28:30,399 --> 03:28:34,640
um structured document, we certainly
could.

2480
03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:38,160
» That's we're all in agreement on it. So,
I don't know how it went from I done X,

2481
03:28:36,720 --> 03:28:43,200
Y, and Z. So, I want to make sure that
we stay focused.

2482
03:28:40,960 --> 03:28:47,359
The issue that was that and when I
mentioned number 11 was because

2483
03:28:45,120 --> 03:28:51,920
councelor Carter said we are not talking
about Anapapolis legislative priorities

2484
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:56,880
and I said like the MML version at
number 11 does addresses but you know

2485
03:28:54,640 --> 03:29:00,960
what we would like MML to potentially
consider advocating. So there is that

2486
03:28:59,279 --> 03:29:04,560
aspect in number 11. So I just wanted to
clarify. That's it.

2487
03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:07,439
» If I can Oh
Daniel go ahead.

2488
03:29:05,760 --> 03:29:11,200
» Actually no I need to speak. You are
accusing me of attacking you. I'm not

2489
03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:15,520
attacking you. I'm correcting the record
because you are making misstatements.

2490
03:29:12,880 --> 03:29:19,600
That's not an attack. If you make a
misstatement, mayor, I have a right to

2491
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:24,160
correct it for the record. And your
attitude towards me, frankly, is

2492
03:29:21,279 --> 03:29:28,399
disrespectful and it's not warranted.
>> Please don't don't after you call me a

2493
03:29:27,120 --> 03:29:32,399
in a public.
>> Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I

2494
03:29:31,120 --> 03:29:37,680
suggest
>> do not say anything to me anymore. You

2495
03:29:35,680 --> 03:29:43,200
could leave, but you want to call me on
it. That's what you did at a public

2496
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:45,920
event and I walked away from you. Go
ahead.

2497
03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:49,439
» Daniel, you have the mic.
>> I make the motion for recess.

2498
03:29:48,080 --> 03:29:53,200
» I second.
>> Okay.

2499
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:55,200
» You need to give how much time? Um,
>> 10 minutes. 10 minutes.

2500
03:29:54,080 --> 03:29:58,200
» All right. Thank you. We'll come back at
10:35.

2501
03:38:39,520 --> 03:38:41,920
I get

2502
03:39:13,600 --> 03:39:22,160
I make a motion to bring us back.
>> I second

2503
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:25,600
to motion to bring us back. We have to
get on camera.

2504
03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:29,160
» Oh, we have 44 seconds.
>> You see what I'm saying?

2505
03:39:40,560 --> 03:39:48,800
Second. Any discussion,
objections, abstensions? He hearing

2506
03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:52,239
none. We are back at 12 10:35
p.m. Thank you. Uh Danielle, you you

2507
03:39:51,279 --> 03:39:56,399
want to make a statement?
>> Yeah, I just want to make one um one

2508
03:39:53,760 --> 03:40:01,680
final comment about this this suggestion
and I'm glad that everybody is is seeing

2509
03:39:59,040 --> 03:40:06,080
the importance and the value on this.
Once we get this started, it will be

2510
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:09,920
easier to moving forward because there
will be items on there that roll over

2511
03:40:07,840 --> 03:40:14,800
from year to year and we can add them as
we need to. We won't need to do this

2512
03:40:12,160 --> 03:40:20,319
every year in June. So, I think once we
get this established, it will just be a

2513
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:23,520
rolling and then your the the city
priorities that you're talking about and

2514
03:40:21,760 --> 03:40:28,319
the logs you're talking about with MML
would be a completely different topic.

2515
03:40:26,160 --> 03:40:32,960
So we would have the legislative
priorities of the city of the mayor and

2516
03:40:30,479 --> 03:40:36,560
council and then we would have our
separate with MML.

2517
03:40:34,560 --> 03:40:40,000
» I would say that I would still like them
in the document so there's one place

2518
03:40:37,920 --> 03:40:42,399
where everything's at even if it's for
us to say like this is the

2519
03:40:40,880 --> 03:40:47,120
recommendation we made for MML for the
large so that way anything legislative

2520
03:40:44,880 --> 03:40:50,800
or priorities in one document because
that's the purpose of being on it. And

2521
03:40:48,800 --> 03:40:53,600
the other thing is like every year we
have to go to this exercise. Okay. I

2522
03:40:52,399 --> 03:40:58,560
think that's sometimes I want you guys
like I said just have a little and I'll

2523
03:40:55,359 --> 03:41:02,160
say this I wish there was more patience
mainly because we've been doing this the

2524
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:05,359
same way for the nine years this is the
first year I think you guys have adjust

2525
03:41:03,439 --> 03:41:09,200
and be like hey we need something else
something else will spread up and if

2526
03:41:06,560 --> 03:41:13,680
this what works for this two years then
we'll work on it because next next year

2527
03:41:12,080 --> 03:41:17,359
we have elections and they might feel
like differently you know so I would say

2528
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:22,479
this is going to be something that we
have to review every year most likely

2529
03:41:20,560 --> 03:41:26,319
more than once because as the
legislation season starts, we might have

2530
03:41:24,239 --> 03:41:30,239
to have a conversation about it as well.
Okay. But I want to say thank you for

2531
03:41:27,840 --> 03:41:33,600
bringing it up and um if we go have a
document or place to have everything

2532
03:41:31,520 --> 03:41:43,279
together that works. Okay. Anything else
on this Valerie Joseph? No. Shamali.

2533
03:41:38,880 --> 03:41:46,880
» Okay. Moving on to item number 11.
Presentation discussion legislative

2534
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:52,000
priorities. Mayor Council discuss
legislative priorities for the city, the

2535
03:41:48,800 --> 03:42:00,880
Maryland Municipal League. um MML and
the state. Um so as I was pointing uh in

2536
03:41:56,160 --> 03:42:07,600
the previous uh item, MML's has created
a new process in which the laws have to

2537
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:12,080
be voted by the council before the June
deadline. Okay. The the paper that we

2538
03:42:10,239 --> 03:42:15,840
are receiving is basically here's a form
like they do a lot of forms. The

2539
03:42:13,920 --> 03:42:20,399
discussion is basically does the city
has a recommendation behalf of mayor

2540
03:42:17,840 --> 03:42:24,239
constant obviously Mr. Kamali right when
it comes to legislative priorities they

2541
03:42:22,319 --> 03:42:30,880
want us they would we would like to
pitch to MML and the way it process is

2542
03:42:28,239 --> 03:42:34,160
like the legislative team receives the
various they call large things the

2543
03:42:32,160 --> 03:42:38,479
various large they evaluate them to
figure out like is this state is this

2544
03:42:36,640 --> 03:42:41,680
apply just to one or two people does it
applies to county and usually if it

2545
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:46,319
applies just to a county or one
municipality they remove them right and

2546
03:42:44,479 --> 03:42:49,920
if it applies to the state is it
something that could be done and what it

2547
03:42:47,840 --> 03:42:54,080
looks like and the percentage and is
there a capability to do it based on

2548
03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:56,800
what the members feedback? Um, hold on.
Let me just

2549
03:42:54,560 --> 03:43:00,000
» for clarification, is there a document
we should be looking at for this?

2550
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:05,439
» It's an application. That's what they
sent. So, I'm describing the process of

2551
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:09,520
it. Right. So, the the vice there is a
committee that's called the legislative

2552
03:43:07,200 --> 03:43:14,319
committee for MML, right? People
volunteer. I know Danielle is in the

2553
03:43:12,319 --> 03:43:17,279
conference committee. I'm in the
outreach committee. People volunteer for

2554
03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:22,880
legis committee. Basically, the
president of MML appoints the different

2555
03:43:20,080 --> 03:43:28,160
people to the committee. They meet I
think weekly in order to review the

2556
03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:32,080
various case. So once the LAR is
submitted right we have to vote on and

2557
03:43:30,319 --> 03:43:38,800
say here's the resolution and it's
obviously signed by all of us saying

2558
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:42,880
this is what the body has voted on right
and this is what we would like to submit

2559
03:43:40,239 --> 03:43:49,359
to you. it is up to you know the
administr the legislative team for MML

2560
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:55,120
and the legislative committee to be able
to um to say like yes we'll take upon

2561
03:43:51,920 --> 03:44:00,399
this or no and mind you they get like
you know 80 or 20 or 60 they cannot do

2562
03:43:58,239 --> 03:44:06,000
all of them last year the decision was
made that instead of having a list of

2563
03:44:02,399 --> 03:44:11,199
like five of them they just had one and
the the main one was when it came to um

2564
03:44:08,640 --> 03:44:14,960
that it actually passed uh being able to
create a task force to review the

2565
03:44:13,439 --> 03:44:21,279
municipal
um and county uh tax money that comes to

2566
03:44:18,239 --> 03:44:25,279
us because we feel as municipalities
that we always would like more money

2567
03:44:23,439 --> 03:44:28,640
directly to us and this is something
that is not just Selena saying it but it

2568
03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:33,840
worked for CO it worked for the
infrastructure bill you know that we if

2569
03:44:31,520 --> 03:44:37,920
we receive the money directly in our
fair share of what we think is like

2570
03:44:35,439 --> 03:44:42,560
taxes based that should be sent to us um
MML has done various um events and

2571
03:44:40,800 --> 03:44:48,479
information and pamphlets that they have
sent to us, right? And it so there

2572
03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:54,000
there's a couple things. So one of them
is the three priorities we would like to

2573
03:44:52,080 --> 03:45:01,359
bring to table so that way when it comes
internally and two if we want to submit

2574
03:44:58,960 --> 03:45:07,600
a large to MML that's a different we
need to discuss it today so that we

2575
03:45:04,880 --> 03:45:11,040
could vote on it in the June work
session. If the answer for you guys is

2576
03:45:09,359 --> 03:45:15,359
like you know what this year we're not
ready for we don't want it good we don't

2577
03:45:13,760 --> 03:45:18,800
submit anything but I want to make sure
that the document that we're working on

2578
03:45:16,880 --> 03:45:21,920
creating like states that on this
meeting discussion happen it was decided

2579
03:45:20,560 --> 03:45:26,080
by the council that we would not be
submitting large on it so that way we

2580
03:45:23,520 --> 03:45:30,080
don't not have an issue that a year from
now we'll be like wait a minute you know

2581
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:35,920
we interpret that conversation
differently so I will start with step

2582
03:45:33,359 --> 03:45:41,520
number one when it comes to the three
priorities that each of us um you should

2583
03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:47,520
bring to the table to figure out like if
there's anything that matches because

2584
03:45:45,359 --> 03:45:51,279
what we realized nine years ago is like
we all have great ideas but if we come

2585
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:55,040
out and tell the staff here's 40 of them
the staff is looking at us like okay

2586
03:45:53,120 --> 03:45:59,040
that's your priority that's your
priority your priority but if we could

2587
03:45:56,720 --> 03:46:04,239
like figure out like like pot was
forever on it we realized that it was in

2588
03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:08,800
the top priority for most of us so the
staff went okay let's make that into a a

2589
03:46:06,720 --> 03:46:12,720
priority right to move forward and
that's where like you know um anything

2590
03:46:10,880 --> 03:46:17,040
that had with zoning with like buildings
anything had to do with financing in

2591
03:46:14,880 --> 03:46:21,439
order to bring money and grants and
direct funding everything was like how

2592
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:27,760
are we able to finance and be able to
make this building that we're that we

2593
03:46:23,359 --> 03:46:31,920
are in happen so I would like to split
the two categories if we could

2594
03:46:29,680 --> 03:46:37,359
potentially do that one of them is the
three priorities from um from mayor

2595
03:46:34,960 --> 03:46:41,920
council when it comes to the city,
right? Like I said in the past has been

2596
03:46:38,960 --> 03:46:45,279
possible it's been like you know um you
know a bunch of them, right? You guys

2597
03:46:43,359 --> 03:46:51,600
already went through one year and figure
out um does this fit into

2598
03:46:49,680 --> 03:46:54,960
into what we would like the staff to do.
The staff also has a summary to figure

2599
03:46:53,040 --> 03:46:57,840
out like this is what works, this is
what doesn't. And they could come back

2600
03:46:56,000 --> 03:47:03,359
to us and be like there might be
potential but also the lobbyist goes out

2601
03:47:00,319 --> 03:47:07,359
there and be like hey this is the myian
priorities. Is there any bills? Are you

2602
03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:13,680
thinking of something that could
potentially support what we're looking

2603
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:19,359
for um for Morinia? Right. So, that is
where it potentially helps. All right.

2604
03:47:16,239 --> 03:47:23,600
So, um I'm going to go around the room
and if you guys have your three

2605
03:47:21,040 --> 03:47:27,439
priorities or it could be three or less.
You don't have to have three. If you

2606
03:47:25,279 --> 03:47:31,359
have two, you have two, right? Um
Valerie, if you could help me just type

2607
03:47:29,520 --> 03:47:34,479
them and if you could share with the
with everybody at the at the end,

2608
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:38,560
especially Mr. Kamali so that way they
know like what it is. It definitely will

2609
03:47:36,560 --> 03:47:43,520
help. So Joseph, do you have your three
priorities uh for the city? Not lock

2610
03:47:40,800 --> 03:47:47,439
related, just city- wise. What would you
like to see for the next year?

2611
03:47:44,399 --> 03:47:51,680
» It was very unclear that this that we
would be discussing the L as part of

2612
03:47:49,439 --> 03:47:55,279
this. So there was no preparation that
could be done in order to accomplish

2613
03:47:53,359 --> 03:47:59,120
this task.
>> I'm asking for the priorities for the

2614
03:47:57,760 --> 03:48:02,600
city, not the large. I said I was going
to separate them.

2615
03:48:04,960 --> 03:48:10,640
about the applications?
>> No, the application just asks you what

2616
03:48:08,399 --> 03:48:15,279
it is, why do you need it, when was it
voted, has it ever been discussed?

2617
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:19,680
» It was also unclear from the the lack of
document with item 11 that we were

2618
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:21,760
supposed to prepare our own legislative
priorities.

2619
03:48:21,199 --> 03:48:25,120
» It's not
>> which was a presentation that was

2620
03:48:23,520 --> 03:48:28,720
supposed to be given to us. So
>> I like I said, we're not talking about

2621
03:48:27,279 --> 03:48:34,600
legislative priorities right now. We're
talking about city the three city

2622
03:48:30,640 --> 03:48:34,600
priorities non-legislative.

2623
03:48:34,640 --> 03:48:40,439
» I think we should postpone this until a
further meeting.

2624
03:48:43,840 --> 03:48:52,720
» Okay, Danielle, do you have yours?
>> Um, I'll be honest. I was kind of hoping

2625
03:48:49,600 --> 03:48:59,600
we would
be doing it differently. Um,

2626
03:48:56,960 --> 03:49:03,439
I would like to make a comment though
about this. Um, when it comes to what

2627
03:49:01,840 --> 03:49:07,520
you were talking about the MML. Yeah, I
know what the MML does. um some the

2628
03:49:05,680 --> 03:49:12,239
newer council members they may I don't
know but um like you said the

2629
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:15,840
legislative
group for the uh the legislative

2630
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:20,319
committee for the MML they get together
with all of our suggestions and then

2631
03:49:18,080 --> 03:49:25,199
they whittle it down to what they
believe are the more

2632
03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:29,680
comprehensive ones that you know the
more popular to focus on and so what if

2633
03:49:27,600 --> 03:49:33,920
our legislative priorities that we
submit to them don't make it off the cut

2634
03:49:31,840 --> 03:49:38,800
they end up on the cutting room floor.
So, I need to I I I would like to know

2635
03:49:37,120 --> 03:49:44,479
more about, you know, that in the
process and how we can uh because I just

2636
03:49:42,080 --> 03:49:48,720
I don't know. I I just I I have I have
questions about that. So, I'm not going

2637
03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:53,680
to address the Lars thing tonight. I I I
agree with Council Member Jacuda on

2638
03:49:50,720 --> 03:49:57,040
that. However, um as far as priorities
for the city, which have absolutely

2639
03:49:55,199 --> 03:50:01,920
nothing to do with the general assembly,
have nothing to do with our legislative

2640
03:49:59,439 --> 03:50:07,040
priorities, the the secretar's roundt,
any of that. um economic development

2641
03:50:05,359 --> 03:50:11,120
one, two and three.
>> Can can I so two things you as a

2642
03:50:10,000 --> 03:50:14,319
question I'll give you an answer.
>> Yeah. If it's not selected it's not

2643
03:50:13,680 --> 03:50:18,399
selected
>> right which which which denies us.

2644
03:50:16,080 --> 03:50:22,080
» This is no this is what we have around
lobbyist. We've always ask our lobbyists

2645
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:29,040
to go pitch the ideas to somebody else
but they cannot have 161 priorities.

2646
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:33,279
» Correct. So so to me this is a this this
is this is a time killer. you know,

2647
03:50:31,199 --> 03:50:37,040
instead, I mean, we we pay for our own
lobbyists. Let's give our our lobbyists

2648
03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:40,720
our marching orders that are going to
protect us. I mean, if if we want to go,

2649
03:50:39,040 --> 03:50:45,120
hey, you know, here's some things, but
let's keep it focused on what we want to

2650
03:50:42,479 --> 03:50:48,640
do as a as mayor and council. Um, and
then, you know, fill out the

2651
03:50:46,560 --> 03:50:53,600
application, you know, whatever. But as
far as city um is concerned, economic

2652
03:50:52,319 --> 03:50:58,399
development across the board.
>> And I'll tell you why that doesn't

2653
03:50:56,880 --> 03:51:02,640
» those are mine. Economic development
times three. Why is it that that doesn't

2654
03:51:00,960 --> 03:51:06,560
dissociate it from it? Because when we
talk to a round table people, Mr. Kamali

2655
03:51:04,560 --> 03:51:10,479
is talking to the agency, he would tell
them economic development vulnerable

2656
03:51:08,239 --> 03:51:13,840
priority for my council. Do you guys
have grants? Do you have legislation

2657
03:51:12,319 --> 03:51:18,160
you're supporting? What does it looks
like? Everything ties up with realized

2658
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:24,239
it or not because Mr. Kamali's job if
that's economic because like number one

2659
03:51:20,160 --> 03:51:27,520
is to go out there to fight to make sure
it

2660
03:51:24,560 --> 03:51:30,720
» mayor I I appreciate but I don't need my
my comments editorialized. I do

2661
03:51:29,520 --> 03:51:35,359
appreciate it. It's late. We're all
tense but you asked for my priorities

2662
03:51:33,760 --> 03:51:39,279
when it comes to the city for this
coming year and its economic development

2663
03:51:37,040 --> 03:51:43,279
across the board. It does not need to be
explained by anybody else editorialized.

2664
03:51:41,439 --> 03:51:46,319
That's those are my priorities for the
city. Thank you. Just to clar just to

2665
03:51:45,680 --> 03:51:49,040
clarify
>> I don't need my comments clarified

2666
03:51:48,080 --> 03:51:53,040
mayor. I don't
>> I'm speaking Danielle. Thank you so

2667
03:51:50,800 --> 03:51:58,080
much. You asked a question that said
what happens to the Lars if they're not

2668
03:51:55,120 --> 03:52:05,520
selected and I gave you
>> so I was trying to make sure that that

2669
03:52:01,359 --> 03:52:09,760
was answered. Okay. And that was it. Um,
and I wanted to clarify that this is the

2670
03:52:07,359 --> 03:52:14,160
reason why our internal priorities also
means that when we talk to our team,

2671
03:52:11,840 --> 03:52:17,760
their marching orders are are done. They
go look at every single option there is

2672
03:52:16,399 --> 03:52:25,680
that could potentially fulfill that
priority for us. Okay. So, um, Valerie,

2673
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:30,399
» um, thank you. And I just, um, I just
sent around to the council um the the

2674
03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:34,880
link to the L form just so they could
see it. It looks like we have to No.

2675
03:52:32,960 --> 03:52:39,439
Well, I just Googled it cuz I I also did
not know I did not see the L thing come

2676
03:52:37,680 --> 03:52:44,479
through before we had this meeting and
it wasn't the document wasn't attached

2677
03:52:41,040 --> 03:52:48,000
to the package. So, um that's I I
understand the confusion there, but um

2678
03:52:46,399 --> 03:52:52,000
I'm looking at it now. It looks like the
L form is due on May 31st and then

2679
03:52:50,479 --> 03:52:57,279
approval
um that approval has to be sent in from

2680
03:52:55,120 --> 03:53:00,880
council on July 1st so that they can
work on it. So, that's the timeline that

2681
03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:07,439
we're working on here. Just to clarify
that. Um and then um in terms of overall

2682
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:11,680
city priorities for me it would be
transportation continued implementation

2683
03:53:09,439 --> 03:53:15,920
of current safe streets for all um
funding um and new funding for future

2684
03:53:14,000 --> 03:53:20,800
projects. I think that's critical to
keep matching funds if we can to keep

2685
03:53:18,399 --> 03:53:25,520
building better streets, sidewalks and
and places for people to walk, bike and

2686
03:53:22,800 --> 03:53:29,439
and roll. Um I think two for me is
strategic plan. We need to have a

2687
03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:33,199
strategic plan to work from so that the
city has that marching order that's

2688
03:53:31,920 --> 03:53:36,560
baked into what we're already working
on. Whether or not we have new

2689
03:53:34,880 --> 03:53:40,720
priorities in the future, it's good to
have a a document to check boxes off of.

2690
03:53:38,800 --> 03:53:44,160
So, I think getting that done would be
really great. And then I agree with

2691
03:53:42,399 --> 03:53:48,720
Danielle, economic development is my
number three um top priority. Um and I

2692
03:53:47,600 --> 03:53:51,359
have a bunch of little ones inside
there. I still want to get the home

2693
03:53:49,920 --> 03:53:56,479
repair program back up and running, but
we'll see um if that can be done. But

2694
03:53:53,840 --> 03:53:59,359
those are my top three. Perfect. Just do
you have any or I just want to make sure

2695
03:53:58,160 --> 03:54:02,319
to give you a chance in case you have
anything to add.

2696
03:54:00,239 --> 03:54:05,920
» Again, we were not provided a document
for this agenda item to make clear what

2697
03:54:04,319 --> 03:54:10,720
it was or was not we would be
discussing. We really need to have a

2698
03:54:08,720 --> 03:54:14,560
document in the packet as was requested
at previous meetings so that we know

2699
03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:18,080
what it was we were talking about so we
know what so we can be prepared. I read

2700
03:54:16,560 --> 03:54:22,960
through every single document in the
packet. No information was provided that

2701
03:54:21,120 --> 03:54:26,800
we would be discussing three action
items and we should bring them. There

2702
03:54:24,800 --> 03:54:31,439
was no document.
>> Thank you so much. So I'll give you my

2703
03:54:28,880 --> 03:54:37,040
three. All right. Um I think the
strategic plan to me is like number one

2704
03:54:34,160 --> 03:54:42,880
because it will be able to link it at
least to this financial document but

2705
03:54:39,840 --> 03:54:50,239
also when our staff is doing something
they know where to go to to figure out

2706
03:54:46,319 --> 03:54:54,960
um what it will fulfill. Right. Um in
this case like you know if um let's say

2707
03:54:53,279 --> 03:55:00,640
any of the committees right when we have
the round table right are able to say um

2708
03:54:58,399 --> 03:55:04,640
hey like you know what do what is going
on and then that way when we're able to

2709
03:55:02,640 --> 03:55:08,000
have meetings we could say like this is
based on this plan and the signals like

2710
03:55:06,720 --> 03:55:12,479
this is what we're aiming at for the
next five to 10 years and how does the

2711
03:55:10,160 --> 03:55:16,319
committees how whatever else it's um can
you guys please get off the phone? No,

2712
03:55:14,720 --> 03:55:21,279
mine went off and I think my husband was
texting me. That's all. I was trying to

2713
03:55:18,560 --> 03:55:27,600
turn it down.
>> Okay. So, I you know, so that's like

2714
03:55:24,319 --> 03:55:30,960
number one. Um for me, the safe streets
for all grant that's a big commitment

2715
03:55:29,439 --> 03:55:35,199
that we have made. So, we fall under
transportation if you want to utilize

2716
03:55:33,040 --> 03:55:41,040
the the language, right? Because we have
a four more year commitment that the the

2717
03:55:38,720 --> 03:55:46,160
reality is like that's going to take
>> Yeah. Because this is the first year

2718
03:55:42,399 --> 03:55:53,120
sorry the rice was born more. Yeah
>> it was five years but they count from

2719
03:55:50,720 --> 03:55:58,800
24.
>> Okay. Thank you Mr. Kamali. So your mic

2720
03:55:57,439 --> 03:56:05,120
your mic was off.
>> Oh I'm sorry. It's a five years grant

2721
03:56:02,080 --> 03:56:09,680
and from 24 to 29. Sorry.
>> Thank you so much Mr. Kamali. But that's

2722
03:56:07,199 --> 03:56:14,560
a big commitment that we have gotten
oursel into to make sure the budget

2723
03:56:11,840 --> 03:56:21,920
reflects the 20% to make sure like the
double audits are being done to make

2724
03:56:16,800 --> 03:56:26,000
sure it's a report like that that 9.7 um
million dollars comes with a lot of work

2725
03:56:24,399 --> 03:56:30,880
attached to it. So I think that that's
definitely um we need to follow through.

2726
03:56:28,000 --> 03:56:36,239
If not, um, we tend to will be able to
lose that money and obviously economic

2727
03:56:33,120 --> 03:56:41,040
development like falls. Um,
actually I cannot fall like under any of

2728
03:56:38,399 --> 03:56:47,199
them to be honest with you. But um, at
least that's more or less where I feel

2729
03:56:44,160 --> 03:56:52,080
the city uh needs to potentially focus
for the next um for the next year and

2730
03:56:50,479 --> 03:57:00,720
everything that falls under those
umbrellas. Right. I I I

2731
03:56:56,239 --> 03:57:05,239
fully Thank you. Um can I have a motion
for 10 minutes on the clock, please?

2732
03:57:06,160 --> 03:57:11,840
Okay. If you guys are done with this
discussion where we have a list of at

2733
03:57:09,439 --> 03:57:17,040
least three of us that have submitted,
Mr. Kamali, um I'm asking for this to be

2734
03:57:14,560 --> 03:57:21,359
added to the next agenda. All right? So,
the conversation continues. And if

2735
03:57:18,960 --> 03:57:26,479
there's something that um you think that
the city also needs, please let us know.

2736
03:57:23,439 --> 03:57:31,920
So that way uh we hear also from from
your team. Okay. I think that um I'll

2737
03:57:30,080 --> 03:57:36,399
move on to the next item. I think that
at least for me the next steps is

2738
03:57:33,920 --> 03:57:41,520
continue the conversation because if we
want to fill a paper up on it and if we

2739
03:57:39,840 --> 03:57:45,680
could submit if we could turn an alert,
great. If not, no. But this is like step

2740
03:57:44,080 --> 03:57:50,560
one to be able to introduce you guys
what they are. All right. and I already

2741
03:57:48,560 --> 03:57:56,960
got the email. Apparently, there was
miscommunication on on it. Um, but I

2742
03:57:54,560 --> 03:58:02,640
apologize for that.
All right, moving on to the next item.

2743
03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:06,960
And Mr. Kamali, nobody from 3200 block
is coming, right?

2744
03:58:04,720 --> 03:58:10,120
Nobody I doubt. I mean, it's 11 o'clock
at night.

2745
03:58:10,800 --> 03:58:14,680
» Thank you so much, Mr. Kamali.

2746
03:58:14,880 --> 03:58:19,680
» Okay. Presentation and discuss. Oh,
sorry. Presentation, discussion, and

2747
03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:23,279
business round table. Councelor Virginia
Huffar will present a proposal for a

2748
03:58:21,920 --> 03:58:25,920
business round table.
>> Mayor, if I may make a motion.

2749
03:58:25,120 --> 03:58:31,840
» Go ahead.
>> Um, I'd like to table the rest of the

2750
03:58:28,640 --> 03:58:36,880
business meeting. Um, since council
member Hoffower has the next two agenda

2751
03:58:34,160 --> 03:58:41,279
items, she is not here to give them. And
I am stepping out of bounds, but I am

2752
03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:46,720
assuming council member Jakuda is fine
with postponing his since um the LMUTC

2753
03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:51,840
person isn't here.
>> No, the the LMUTC person will be coming

2754
03:58:49,600 --> 03:58:54,000
at the legislative meeting. So we and we
do need to get someone appointed to

2755
03:58:53,439 --> 03:58:59,199
that.
>> Okay. Um then um I would ask that we

2756
03:58:56,479 --> 03:59:04,239
table the next two items until the next
business meeting, please.

2757
03:59:01,279 --> 03:59:08,080
So, I think that for the future I
honestly I thought the hybrid option was

2758
03:59:05,920 --> 03:59:11,439
yours, Joseph. I didn't think it was.
>> I did not request that to be put on

2759
03:59:09,840 --> 03:59:17,520
here. I know I brought it up at some
point, but it just showed up.

2760
03:59:14,000 --> 03:59:21,840
» Okay. So, can we And you guys or not?
Can we figure out who puts it in because

2761
03:59:19,199 --> 03:59:26,399
I assume it was um it was you.
>> I I asked for the LM UTC and the tree

2762
03:59:25,279 --> 03:59:34,800
commission.
So, can we go ahead and skip 12, 13,

2763
03:59:31,279 --> 03:59:39,279
14, and move to 15? Will that can Can we
agree on that? So, is that to see one?

2764
03:59:36,640 --> 03:59:45,520
» Do we have to do 14 tonight anyways
because we won't be able to vote on it

2765
03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:48,960
prior to September. Otherwise,
>> I mean, we could talk about it

2766
03:59:47,359 --> 03:59:53,680
» because we would need to vote on it at
our June meeting.

2767
03:59:51,600 --> 03:59:57,960
» Yes. In order to have it by September.
So

2768
03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:57,960
» I I withdraw my motion.

2769
03:59:59,120 --> 04:00:04,279
Okay. So we um

2770
04:00:04,479 --> 04:00:12,239
so for number the hybrid option can we
move Joseph can you like make sure it's

2771
04:00:10,560 --> 04:00:15,279
on the agenda? I know Mr. Kamal said
that we don't have it's not within our

2772
04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:19,040
site right now that needs to be
discussed. We have time. So but can you

2773
04:00:17,199 --> 04:00:24,880
put it in your internal agenda Joseph so
that way you remember to bring it up if

2774
04:00:21,840 --> 04:00:28,479
need be? I I will put it on the next
meeting where we do not have a 4-hour

2775
04:00:26,960 --> 04:00:30,960
long meeting. You
>> mean work session?

2776
04:00:29,600 --> 04:00:34,720
» Work session? Yes.
>> Which is June the 9th?

2777
04:00:32,239 --> 04:00:37,920
» Yes. Unless June the 9th also turns out
to be a 4-hour long meeting.

2778
04:00:36,640 --> 04:00:41,439
» Well, it's going to be up to you guys
because you guys have like three or four

2779
04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:46,880
different items on here.
>> Okay.

2780
04:00:42,800 --> 04:00:51,920
» Well, we didn't raise it. Okay. So, um
so number 13 has been sold. Uh number 14

2781
04:00:50,080 --> 04:00:55,840
we have never put in position. you know
that there's no present. Is there

2782
04:00:53,680 --> 04:00:58,960
anything on the dock? Is there anything
on the package? I apologize this late. I

2783
04:00:57,680 --> 04:01:02,479
can't remember right now.
>> Oh, what number?

2784
04:01:01,279 --> 04:01:07,439
» Is there anything in the package?
>> Yes, there is. Um I'm familiar with this

2785
04:01:06,319 --> 04:01:11,439
so I can give a brief.
>> So, can you put it like um

2786
04:01:09,760 --> 04:01:14,080
» Yeah, that's it right there.
>> So,

2787
04:01:12,160 --> 04:01:17,520
» Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Kamal.

2788
04:01:15,600 --> 04:01:21,840
» I'm familiar with this. Um I hope
council member Hoffower is not upset

2789
04:01:19,199 --> 04:01:27,439
that I speak on this. Um I may I
attempted this a long time ago as well.

2790
04:01:23,920 --> 04:01:31,120
Um to start the um legislative session
with a work session instead of

2791
04:01:29,040 --> 04:01:38,000
legislation session just makes good
common sense. um a lot of things um are

2792
04:01:35,760 --> 04:01:42,399
build that we work on over the summer
and we want to bring it back to talk

2793
04:01:40,800 --> 04:01:47,279
about it and introduce it for
consideration rather than coming back

2794
04:01:44,399 --> 04:01:50,880
and voting on something that we may I
mean it would be a very small meeting

2795
04:01:48,880 --> 04:01:56,239
unless it's just like like we did this
past year with a vice mayor rotation and

2796
04:01:53,199 --> 04:02:01,359
things like that. Um, and ending the
legislative season with a legislative

2797
04:01:59,279 --> 04:02:05,920
session makes sense because it ties up
every all the work we've done all year

2798
04:02:02,960 --> 04:02:11,279
instead of leaving hanging threads. Um,
at least that was my argument when I

2799
04:02:07,760 --> 04:02:18,399
made the um suggestion. Um, I don't know
what council member Hoffower had um

2800
04:02:13,520 --> 04:02:24,479
planned to um present, but um I I do
support this. So I I hope that we can

2801
04:02:21,680 --> 04:02:27,840
keep this in the discussion for tonight.
>> So authority before we continue talking,

2802
04:02:26,239 --> 04:02:29,680
are you talking about switches the first
one or switching every single one of

2803
04:02:29,359 --> 04:02:33,520
them?
>> Switching all of them. You you want to

2804
04:02:31,520 --> 04:02:38,479
start with and and if I can if I can
remind um council member Woodall and the

2805
04:02:36,080 --> 04:02:44,080
mayor when I presented this back in I
think it was 23. It was in June of 23.

2806
04:02:40,960 --> 04:02:48,640
Um, I had called all 26 other
municipalities just here in Prince

2807
04:02:45,600 --> 04:02:53,840
George's County and the lion share and I
mean it was like 23 of them start with

2808
04:02:51,600 --> 04:02:58,800
work sessions or do work session before
legislation. So this just it's just

2809
04:02:56,960 --> 04:03:03,199
common sense and it and a couple of
those municipalities actually had just

2810
04:03:00,720 --> 04:03:09,680
recently switched from doing legislative
first to uh work and so anyway it it

2811
04:03:06,880 --> 04:03:13,199
it's just logical. Um, and the majority
of the of the municipalities here in

2812
04:03:11,760 --> 04:03:17,279
Prince George's County follow the same
thing, and I would venture to say most

2813
04:03:14,960 --> 04:03:21,199
people do, too. So, anyway,
>> Joseph,

2814
04:03:18,640 --> 04:03:28,399
» I I'm supportive of this schedule
generally. I think it's a a much wiser

2815
04:03:25,040 --> 04:03:31,680
use of all of our time. Um, since, uh,
you know, whatever we're talking on June

2816
04:03:30,080 --> 04:03:34,640
9th, if there's anything we need to vote
on, it's going to have to wait till

2817
04:03:32,960 --> 04:03:42,000
September. And that I think that's kind
of silly. Um, I did have three specific

2818
04:03:39,040 --> 04:03:45,760
comments. Um, I did want to see the
instead of this called a council

2819
04:03:43,840 --> 04:03:51,199
meeting, I think it should say a regular
council meeting because there are also

2820
04:03:48,319 --> 04:03:55,520
special council meetings. And so I just
wanted that clarification.

2821
04:03:53,359 --> 04:04:00,880
I think that we should not have a
meeting on November the 3. I think that

2822
04:03:57,920 --> 04:04:04,399
should be rescheduled. I I will defer to
y'all which way you want to move it, but

2823
04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:09,680
I definitely don't think we should have
one on election day. And then also, I

2824
04:04:07,040 --> 04:04:15,920
was hoping we could also star the
meetings that are preceded by a holiday

2825
04:04:13,199 --> 04:04:22,000
such as on January 19th, which is
preceded by January the 18th, um which

2826
04:04:19,359 --> 04:04:26,880
is Martin Luther King Jr. Day. So that
way we would just be cognizant of when

2827
04:04:24,640 --> 04:04:33,080
we're going to have uh crunches with the
agenda so we know to be a little bit

2828
04:04:28,960 --> 04:04:33,080
more prepared for those meetings.

2829
04:04:36,319 --> 04:04:41,600
» Um I'm not opposed to this. Um I do
think we need to scrub the dates because

2830
04:04:40,080 --> 04:04:47,199
I can see a number of them that might
not work based on just general calendar

2831
04:04:44,560 --> 04:04:51,199
things. So I think before we begin to
vote on this, I think we need to really

2832
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:55,279
scrub the dates. Um,
yeah, that's my comment. Thank you.

2833
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:59,760
» Yeah, the holidays. That's the same
thing I noticed. It's like November 13,

2834
04:04:57,040 --> 04:05:05,199
the big one, but there's spring break
that we need to account into that before

2835
04:05:01,279 --> 04:05:09,040
we run into it. Um, holidays, uh, I will
tell you that

2836
04:05:07,120 --> 04:05:12,560
if I recall correctly, and the reason
why I was arguing that was because it's

2837
04:05:10,479 --> 04:05:19,760
the first meeting and you kick off with
like, hey, welcome back. Here it is. is

2838
04:05:15,680 --> 04:05:23,199
light friendly and it's not stuff you
have to get ready a whole entire like

2839
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:28,880
gigantic like work session meeting to
move forward. So the first meeting was

2840
04:05:25,359 --> 04:05:34,160
taken more as of um a light thing if we
had it like anything that we needed to

2841
04:05:30,960 --> 04:05:39,920
vote on uh that either got u the staff
was working during the summer or there

2842
04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:45,439
was an emergency situation and it got us
to vote. I I don't know if I

2843
04:05:42,319 --> 04:05:51,279
particularly would like to be having a
wedding maybe on the second third week

2844
04:05:48,319 --> 04:05:56,000
the third week right before uh right
during the holiday season as an example

2845
04:05:53,760 --> 04:05:59,760
right the holiday season like not just
Christmas but several of them and I

2846
04:05:58,399 --> 04:06:05,840
think that also allow for the work
session to be very light that's one

2847
04:06:03,199 --> 04:06:11,680
example you also have like the work
session on the 5th that's like shortly

2848
04:06:08,880 --> 04:06:16,399
after he a couple New Year days, not
just one religion, but multiple ones,

2849
04:06:13,359 --> 04:06:22,479
right? That the staff prepares
differently. I feel like for work

2850
04:06:17,840 --> 04:06:29,040
sessions that they do um for um
legislative meetings. I think that for

2851
04:06:24,239 --> 04:06:33,120
me in the past when we came in to vote
um the meetings were very short.

2852
04:06:31,199 --> 04:06:37,840
Correct. Um Mr. Kamali,
>> I'm sorry. the legislative meetings were

2853
04:06:35,199 --> 04:06:43,040
very short because everybody had work
either on several work sessions on the

2854
04:06:41,120 --> 04:06:48,560
documents. So that way you came in and
they were like maybe sometimes like an

2855
04:06:45,520 --> 04:06:53,680
hour um an hour and a half and you were
done with, right? Um it's no longer the

2856
04:06:51,520 --> 04:06:58,640
case. Um the reality is like we've been
having a lot of items added into the

2857
04:06:56,239 --> 04:07:05,279
legislative meeting that have not been
resolved in work session that have moved

2858
04:07:02,640 --> 04:07:10,560
for a legislative news to be a lot
longer. So I will tell you this I've

2859
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:16,560
never had a 4 and a half hour 5 hour
meeting since nine or 10 years ago and

2860
04:07:14,080 --> 04:07:21,920
that was a budget meeting. So I would
say that at least for me we definitely

2861
04:07:19,199 --> 04:07:26,479
need to review those dates because the
scholarship committee days will have to

2862
04:07:23,439 --> 04:07:30,880
be switched. Um any days where we have
to uh vote on items including the

2863
04:07:28,640 --> 04:07:36,160
audits, including the budget, including
the elections

2864
04:07:32,560 --> 04:07:40,720
definitely um have to be switched and
looked at. If you notice, we have a

2865
04:07:38,399 --> 04:07:46,080
workstation on the four. Usually, we try
to vote on the budget before the next uh

2866
04:07:43,840 --> 04:07:54,239
council is selected. So, that is
something that we need to look into

2867
04:07:49,439 --> 04:07:58,160
because if not, uh potentially two weeks
into one week technically after being

2868
04:07:56,080 --> 04:08:02,880
sworn in, you will have to vote on the
on the budget. So, there's a lot of

2869
04:08:01,120 --> 04:08:06,960
other one. I mean, I'm happy with having
a legislative meeting at the beginning.

2870
04:08:04,479 --> 04:08:10,479
And if the need happens to be that we
need to have a work session, it could be

2871
04:08:08,239 --> 04:08:15,680
followed by a work session the same day.
That's fine. But I think tying us to

2872
04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:20,160
come in and do like a work session
is definitely um is definitely a lot.

2873
04:08:18,640 --> 04:08:26,160
And I definitely would like for you guys
to reconsider what it means for the for

2874
04:08:23,600 --> 04:08:30,319
the staff and and and for us. And we
definitely will have to work not just

2875
04:08:28,560 --> 04:08:33,120
these days for the meetings. Yeah, I
like it to be legislative meeting

2876
04:08:32,000 --> 04:08:39,359
instead of council meeting. So people
know it's a voting meeting. But uh when

2877
04:08:36,160 --> 04:08:44,640
it comes to the other markers um the
budget meetings, the audit like reports

2878
04:08:41,840 --> 04:08:48,960
um uh the scholarship dates, anything
that we have to vote, we will have to

2879
04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:54,000
look into um because the scholarship
schedule is tied up to whatever that is.

2880
04:08:53,279 --> 04:08:56,399
» Yeah. Go ahead.
>> I'm just asking if we can do another

2881
04:08:55,439 --> 04:09:02,319
round.
>> Okay. Okay. I mean it's a work session,

2882
04:08:58,239 --> 04:09:05,680
so but anyway. um you gave a lot of um
you know you pointed out a lot of

2883
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:09,760
things. However, I would point out that
we have meetings all the time before

2884
04:09:08,000 --> 04:09:14,880
holidays. I mean this is a Tuesday
before the uh Memorial Day week, you

2885
04:09:12,640 --> 04:09:19,040
know, um weekend. Well, I mean this
happens all the time, you know. I mean,

2886
04:09:16,880 --> 04:09:23,040
work session, council meeting or
legislative meeting, it six one way,

2887
04:09:20,720 --> 04:09:27,840
half dozen the other. I I would think
that the staff is working harder to get

2888
04:09:24,960 --> 04:09:31,199
legislation set up um for us to work on
legislative meetings. I don't know. I'm

2889
04:09:29,279 --> 04:09:34,720
not city staff, but I think they work
their bottoms off. No matter what

2890
04:09:33,199 --> 04:09:38,399
meeting we're having, whether it's a
work session or legislative, I don't

2891
04:09:36,720 --> 04:09:41,680
think one's heavier than the other. I
mean, it's a heavy ask. I mean, our

2892
04:09:40,160 --> 04:09:46,479
staff is here. We're here at almost
11:00 at night and they're still here.

2893
04:09:43,760 --> 04:09:50,399
So, I mean, I think honestly, I think
we're literally playing with sematics

2894
04:09:48,000 --> 04:09:55,120
here. Um, it's just what is more
logical. I think that the dates we can I

2895
04:09:53,279 --> 04:09:59,600
mean, we we do this every year in June.
We we we settle our calendar, you know.

2896
04:09:57,520 --> 04:10:02,880
We we can adjust. I mean, we always like
I pointed out, you know, I looked over

2897
04:10:01,279 --> 04:10:08,239
to you and said November 3rd, it's
election day. Of course, we're going to

2898
04:10:05,120 --> 04:10:12,560
move that. We always do every year. So,
I mean, there are things that we can

2899
04:10:09,680 --> 04:10:17,760
make adjustments on. Working on what
days we actually meet is one thing. What

2900
04:10:15,840 --> 04:10:22,800
kind of meeting we have is a completely
different thing. I think the question

2901
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:27,680
here is whatever the fiscal calendar is
that we end up agreeing on in June, we

2902
04:10:25,680 --> 04:10:31,600
should start with a work session at the
beginning of the legislative session.

2903
04:10:29,199 --> 04:10:35,120
And mayor, I I like your recommendation
of doing a combination meeting. I have

2904
04:10:33,520 --> 04:10:39,279
no problem with that. We can do
legislative and work session on the same

2905
04:10:36,880 --> 04:10:42,960
meeting if city staff is fine with that.
But I think we need to start with a work

2906
04:10:41,040 --> 04:10:46,720
session and end with a legislative
session because I know I don't know

2907
04:10:44,960 --> 04:10:52,080
about I don't know I can't speak for
council members um uh Jakuda Hoffower or

2908
04:10:50,000 --> 04:10:56,239
Woodall or speak and I won't speak for
you but I may have things ready to go

2909
04:10:54,399 --> 04:11:01,520
that I want to bring up in the work
session in September I've been working

2910
04:10:57,520 --> 04:11:06,479
on all summer. So I I just say I I I
think this is logical and I urge you

2911
04:11:03,920 --> 04:11:11,040
guys to reconsider. Danielle, the very
first regarding the holiday was is the

2912
04:11:08,960 --> 04:11:16,000
council Juda mentioned that if we could
be cautious of not um and I know that's

2913
04:11:14,239 --> 04:11:20,960
been hard for me too because you're like
having a holiday like a meeting. So that

2914
04:11:18,720 --> 04:11:24,399
was in reference to the statement that
you made about being cautious with the

2915
04:11:22,800 --> 04:11:28,040
calendar of not having a meeting the
next

2916
04:11:24,800 --> 04:11:28,040
» I think

2917
04:11:30,000 --> 04:11:36,479
now please. Um so yeah so that that is
um

2918
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:41,040
» for next 24 hours
>> for I'm not gonna be here that long for

2919
04:11:38,560 --> 04:11:44,880
guys. So that that is the that was what
was in reference to. So it wasn't an

2920
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:48,960
obstacle. It was more like this is going
to require a lot of it. But if you guys

2921
04:11:46,880 --> 04:11:52,319
are open to doing a legislative meeting
followed by potentially a work session

2922
04:11:50,479 --> 04:11:56,720
if needed be that could be a good
compromise. So that way if we don't need

2923
04:11:54,000 --> 04:12:01,840
a work session we're not tied up to
work. that was just said but a lot of

2924
04:11:59,840 --> 04:12:04,880
them we need to the good thing about
early in the month it's like the stuff

2925
04:12:03,279 --> 04:12:10,080
has like 30 like the whole month to be
able to deal with it right but I would

2926
04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:14,560
say if the argument is like you guys
would like to is that that's the reason

2927
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:19,120
why I as kick off you would like to do a
work session we could do a legislative

2928
04:12:16,880 --> 04:12:22,399
session that way we could vote on
whatever we like we might have like

2929
04:12:20,640 --> 04:12:26,800
strategy things that we need
>> and then follow but followed by a work

2930
04:12:24,960 --> 04:12:32,720
session if needed because we might be
like we nothing, you know, here here it

2931
04:12:29,520 --> 04:12:39,680
is. But that way at least gives us the a
chance to a chance to like adjust it

2932
04:12:35,840 --> 04:12:44,560
because I'll tell you this trying to
vote on those like snowy days like later

2933
04:12:42,880 --> 04:12:48,080
on the month. So don't make it work for
us. But anyway, so if that's an

2934
04:12:46,479 --> 04:12:52,720
agreement, if this is something that we
could potentially agree that we could do

2935
04:12:50,880 --> 04:12:56,720
a legislative to kick off just to do the
formalities, right, and vote whatever we

2936
04:12:54,960 --> 04:13:00,560
need to vote followed by a work session
the same day if needed, then we could

2937
04:12:58,800 --> 04:13:05,199
decide like it's needed or not. And if
we decide like it's not needed because

2938
04:13:02,880 --> 04:13:09,120
after two weeks of break, Heidi Colin
would decide to like, you know, it's not

2939
04:13:07,279 --> 04:13:12,479
what we need, then we could then we
could deal with that. And then that way

2940
04:13:10,479 --> 04:13:17,120
at least will keep the schedule more or
less consistent because what I'm worried

2941
04:13:15,040 --> 04:13:21,040
about is like for elections that the new
council is going to have to vote on that

2942
04:13:18,560 --> 04:13:22,640
budget a week after they got
>> pointing clarity.

2943
04:13:21,840 --> 04:13:27,120
» So yeah,
>> pointing clarity. Are you saying you're

2944
04:13:24,560 --> 04:13:31,600
okay with the flipping of the meetings
except that you're requesting that we

2945
04:13:29,279 --> 04:13:35,120
start in September with legislative and
work session if we need it?

2946
04:13:33,680 --> 04:13:40,239
» What I said is like because that's the
reason I was asking the question. and

2947
04:13:36,479 --> 04:13:45,760
said is the will of the body to have a
you know to start with a work session at

2948
04:13:42,720 --> 04:13:49,520
that first September meeting. If that's
the case we have legislative prior and a

2949
04:13:48,080 --> 04:13:52,880
work session following and then the rest
of the schedule the next will be a work

2950
04:13:50,880 --> 04:13:57,439
session legislative work session. So
basically we'll have the first day two

2951
04:13:54,880 --> 04:14:00,239
potential meetings to meet change. you
have two meetings on one day later they

2952
04:13:59,199 --> 04:14:05,760
will change
>> and they do on it but be conscious that

2953
04:14:03,439 --> 04:14:11,439
you're also going to be asking the new
council to vote on a budget name

2954
04:14:09,920 --> 04:14:14,000
» so I just want to make sure that some of
the days a little more complicated with

2955
04:14:12,800 --> 04:14:19,680
that Joseph
>> thank you mayor um I mostly I I mostly

2956
04:14:17,359 --> 04:14:25,439
fine with what you just said I just also
think that the June 15th meeting should

2957
04:14:22,080 --> 04:14:29,359
also be a double one where we could have
a council meeting and a work session cuz

2958
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:33,279
I don't think the work session's all
that useful. And I do think that ending

2959
04:14:31,680 --> 04:14:37,760
on a council meeting is important. But
if we want to do that just for those the

2960
04:14:35,520 --> 04:14:40,800
first and the last the book ends, I'm
fine with that because I think that

2961
04:14:39,279 --> 04:14:44,960
still solves the main problem we're
getting at. Um and then as far as I said

2962
04:14:43,359 --> 04:14:50,560
about the holidays, I just wanted them
noted just so we know to get our agenda

2963
04:14:47,600 --> 04:14:55,359
items in earlier for those. I don't
think we need to reschedu or anything.

2964
04:14:52,319 --> 04:14:58,720
It was just noting that so we because
we've had problems with that where all

2965
04:14:57,279 --> 04:15:05,359
of a sudden we try and get everything to
Melissa on Friday and folks are gone and

2966
04:15:02,560 --> 04:15:10,000
then we have a problem. So um but yeah,
you know I'm fine with that if we can do

2967
04:15:07,520 --> 04:15:12,880
the June 15th one one of these doubles
to I'm fine with that.

2968
04:15:11,520 --> 04:15:15,520
» I'm fine with it. Like again if it's
needed we feel like okay we could just

2969
04:15:14,399 --> 04:15:19,680
have a voting session and we don't need
a legis a work session then let it be

2970
04:15:18,479 --> 04:15:22,800
you know so that could be a good
compromise.

2971
04:15:21,199 --> 04:15:25,040
Valerie, where are you at? I apologize.
I want to make sure I go around the

2972
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:29,600
whole room.
>> Yeah, I'm okay with um September 1st

2973
04:15:27,840 --> 04:15:34,000
being a council meeting and then a work
session and then October would be

2974
04:15:32,159 --> 04:15:38,000
October 6th would be a work or whatever
the dates in October would be a work

2975
04:15:35,520 --> 04:15:42,000
session and a council meeting. You know,
April would be a work session, council

2976
04:15:40,000 --> 04:15:46,640
meeting. So, follow the same schedule
and then in June it would be a council

2977
04:15:44,800 --> 04:15:50,479
meeting and work session to end this. I
think it's going to be a legislative

2978
04:15:48,159 --> 04:15:55,279
meeting on the and don't quote me on the
days. It's just supposed to not.

2979
04:15:52,239 --> 04:16:01,439
» So it'll be like the first will be
legislative work session. The 15th will

2980
04:15:59,279 --> 04:16:04,080
be legislative,
>> right?

2981
04:16:02,159 --> 04:16:07,520
» And then it go like the first one will
be like um legislative work session,

2982
04:16:06,159 --> 04:16:11,600
legislative work session. So that way at
the top of the month we get to vote and

2983
04:16:09,359 --> 04:16:15,680
move forward. And just that the bookings
are going to change.

2984
04:16:13,920 --> 04:16:19,040
So what they're proposing is that the
work session would come first every

2985
04:16:17,120 --> 04:16:24,159
month and the voting would be afterward
except for the two book ends. That's

2986
04:16:20,560 --> 04:16:29,040
what I think that is
>> that's what we were originally

2987
04:16:25,520 --> 04:16:33,199
proposing. But yes, what mayor said I I
I it's mostly the September and the June

2988
04:16:31,439 --> 04:16:37,279
meetings that we were concerned about.
So I think that that solution keeping

2989
04:16:35,439 --> 04:16:42,159
our schedule the same as it has been
except the first month and the the first

2990
04:16:39,279 --> 04:16:46,880
meeting and the last meeting that
>> as long as we're aware those are going

2991
04:16:44,479 --> 04:16:49,199
to be two potentially very long
meetings.

2992
04:16:47,520 --> 04:16:53,520
» It's up to us because when you come in
immediately you could say hi how are you

2993
04:16:51,359 --> 04:16:58,880
and here it is. I think that we need to
heavily work on looking at the looking

2994
04:16:56,239 --> 04:17:02,720
at all 10 months right and saying what
am I going to propose this 10 months but

2995
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:07,439
I think that a certain point we cannot
be having like three items per person it

2996
04:17:04,880 --> 04:17:13,040
is draining all right so we're in
agreement that leave it and the book

2997
04:17:09,680 --> 04:17:17,120
ends have two meetings within reason
well the person shouldn't have if we do

2998
04:17:14,800 --> 04:17:20,239
the if we we vote on everything we need
to go we should be it should be more

2999
04:17:18,399 --> 04:17:23,920
like a welcoming meeting than anything
and a work session if needed And it

3000
04:17:22,159 --> 04:17:27,359
could be a short work. Okay. But okay,
it could be a short work session. You

3001
04:17:26,000 --> 04:17:29,760
don't have to put 20 items on the
agenda,

3002
04:17:28,319 --> 04:17:32,560
» you know, because it's also not doable
because then the staff have to come over

3003
04:17:31,120 --> 04:17:36,640
whatever it is we need to do.
>> Can we when we update this document, can

3004
04:17:34,880 --> 04:17:41,359
we um make sure we really look at all
the dates um uh can staff like look at

3005
04:17:39,600 --> 04:17:44,880
the PGCPS, look at the University of
Maryland, look at

3006
04:17:42,560 --> 04:17:50,159
» you know various elections and things
like that. Thank

3007
04:17:46,239 --> 04:17:54,000
» for going to be a lot. Um okay, perfect.
Thank you guys. U moving on to next item

3008
04:17:52,080 --> 04:17:57,680
number 15 presentation discuss and
appointment members of LMBTC. Castor

3009
04:17:56,319 --> 04:18:03,760
Jakuda will present proposed
appointments to the LTC.

3010
04:18:00,960 --> 04:18:09,680
Uh thank you mayor. Um so uh a little
while back we had appoint we we had

3011
04:18:06,080 --> 04:18:16,479
nominated seven uh residents to
participate in the LMUTC

3012
04:18:13,040 --> 04:18:22,319
and we submitted their names to the
Prince George's planning department and

3013
04:18:19,760 --> 04:18:28,720
through that process it turned out that
one of the members wanted to step down

3014
04:18:25,439 --> 04:18:33,840
uh Miss Brav um so part of the
resolution is to thank her for her

3015
04:18:30,880 --> 04:18:41,279
service. Um she served for three years
uh and has uh had to move on. And it

3016
04:18:37,199 --> 04:18:47,840
took a while, a lot of uh uh
talking to folks um and we did find a

3017
04:18:45,520 --> 04:18:55,040
very capable resident uh Miss Elise
Moore uh to fill the seventh spot. Uh

3018
04:18:51,760 --> 04:19:01,120
she has a background in design. uh she
has a very nice portfolio up on the

3019
04:18:57,199 --> 04:19:08,239
internet and um she was willing to serve
for two years. So we wanted to nominate

3020
04:19:04,800 --> 04:19:12,640
her um in introduced this tonight and
then once this is done we already have

3021
04:19:10,880 --> 04:19:16,239
her resume to go to send over to the
Prince George's planning board as soon

3022
04:19:14,239 --> 04:19:19,520
as we finish our nomination. We can
finally have an LEM UTC up and running

3023
04:19:18,640 --> 04:19:22,479
again
>> and vote on the June meeting. Right.

3024
04:19:21,920 --> 04:19:26,399
» I'm sorry.
>> And vote on the June meeting. Yeah, this

3025
04:19:24,399 --> 04:19:29,840
would be for a vote on the at the June
2nd meeting.

3026
04:19:28,319 --> 04:19:34,000
» All right. So, I'm going to go around
the room. This is this is a straight

3027
04:19:32,319 --> 04:19:39,120
like recommendation for appointment and
thanking

3028
04:19:35,920 --> 04:19:45,920
and thanking
Miss Alina right for your service for

3029
04:19:41,760 --> 04:19:50,399
the last years and appointing
Elise Moore. So, I do Okay. So, we'll go

3030
04:19:49,279 --> 04:19:56,319
around and then I have a request for you
guys because this is hard to figure out.

3031
04:19:53,760 --> 04:19:59,120
Um, so Valerie, go ahead.
>> I have nothing to add. Thank you,

3032
04:19:58,239 --> 04:20:02,640
» Danielle.
>> Nope. Nothing to add.

3033
04:20:00,800 --> 04:20:06,479
» Um, ideally request I'm going to ask and
this is like I've asked about it like

3034
04:20:04,080 --> 04:20:10,880
more than once. Um, and I think we all
agree. Can we make sure we add their

3035
04:20:08,159 --> 04:20:14,800
names through the agenda because you
have to go through the whole entire

3036
04:20:12,239 --> 04:20:19,120
thing is everybody agenda itself. It
just says appointment to LMBTC with no

3037
04:20:17,760 --> 04:20:23,439
name, no nothing.
>> So I know we used to do it. Can we like

3038
04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:26,319
do it so that way also like it's easier
and I'll tell you this. It's easier for

3039
04:20:24,720 --> 04:20:29,760
us because if we have to like go back
and finding information, it's easy for

3040
04:20:27,760 --> 04:20:35,040
us to find an agenda than go through
resolutions and minutes and everything

3041
04:20:31,520 --> 04:20:38,800
else. And the team has done a a better a
lot better job than in the past and

3042
04:20:37,359 --> 04:20:46,880
trying to line up that people are to
yours. So big thank you to um to

3043
04:20:43,760 --> 04:20:53,760
college, Miss um
Miss Elise um um board for like um for

3044
04:20:52,000 --> 04:20:59,199
putting their name there and we look
forward to voting on the June meeting.

3045
04:20:57,279 --> 04:21:03,600
Um, and thank you Joseph for uh seeking
I know for LMTC especially with a

3046
04:21:01,840 --> 04:21:08,399
presentation we have they're going to
take a big role also on making

3047
04:21:05,279 --> 04:21:13,439
recommendations to like the city manager
and and us and they're the group that

3048
04:21:11,439 --> 04:21:17,279
help us keep the historical aspect of
Mount Rineer um and help residents who

3049
04:21:15,760 --> 04:21:21,600
are needed. So it's a lot of design
architecture and everything else. So

3050
04:21:19,040 --> 04:21:28,720
that's my piece. Thank you. All right,
moving on to item number uh 17. And I

3051
04:21:26,000 --> 04:21:32,720
have a motion to adjurnn, please.
>> Presentation.

3052
04:21:30,560 --> 04:21:35,680
» Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry.
>> Here's what happens when this is not

3053
04:21:33,920 --> 04:21:40,960
here. She won't look at me like Okay.
Presentation of minutes is not a voting

3054
04:21:38,159 --> 04:21:45,920
presentation minutes for May 5th. Uh
minutes to Mayor Council. They're there.

3055
04:21:43,600 --> 04:21:50,640
They're in your package.
>> We're good. Review them. They move on to

3056
04:21:47,920 --> 04:21:54,399
the June uh meeting. Yay. Yes.
>> Good. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I

3057
04:21:53,199 --> 04:21:58,080
» I move to adjourn.
>> Okay. Item number 17, motion to adjourn

3058
04:21:57,199 --> 04:22:02,080
a
>> second.

3059
04:21:58,960 --> 04:22:08,319
» Uh second by Jakuda. Any discussion?
Objection, extensions, hearing none. And

3060
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:15,399
we have come to an end at 11:17. Jesus
and

3061
04:22:10,640 --> 04:22:15,399
happy pride month coming up.