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» It's running late. We're going to
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now.
7:14 cell tower up. Jonathan, is it you

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or Kevin that's gonna

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» I can hear you. You seem to be buffering
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Can you hear me?

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» I can. Yeah, I can hear you, Kevin. I
I'm not really sure what's going on with

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their Wi-Fi there because they do have
fiber optic. Um I am hearing the

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buffering as well.
>> Okay. It's not just me. Okay. That's

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what I was worried about.
>> Yeah, I think you and I are good.

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» Okay.
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let me see
if I can swap them a second to the

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the doctor shop secure one.
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See if that makes a difference here.

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Brenda, I just sent the the other Wi-Fi
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if you want to try and swap it a second.
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briefly, but I'm hoping that that'll
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cuz I don't know why this one is is
being spotty, but it is.

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All right. It looks like it's swapped
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I don't know.
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» Okay. It It's more stable on my end now
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Kevin.
>> It's clear. Yeah, much better.

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» Yeah. So, I think I think this might be
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and Remy, shouldn't they be able to have
the audio on the owl?

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» Um, yes. But if the owl can't be unmuted
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I don't know off hand. I I always just
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know offhand how to do it. All right.
Well, we'll try to have everyone here.

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So, Kevin, if you'd like to give a brief
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audience.
>> Sure, no problem. Um, could I um could

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you give me permission to share the
screen and I can put up a PowerPoint

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presentation um that everyone can follow
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You should have a hearing now.
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Just give me one minute.

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Okay. Can you um
can you see my screen now?

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» Yes.
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so, first of all, thank you um Mr.
Chairman and members of the board. Uh my

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name is Kevin Delaney and I'm the u vice
president of site acquisition and

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development for Industrial Tower and
Wireless. And um we just again want to

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thank you for the opportunity to present
this application tonight. Uh we have a a

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PowerPoint presentation that we'd like
to go through. Um we're going to be

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discussing the proposed uh facility. Um
the wireless coverage need for this area

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and h how we're seeking to address it
and the site selection process and the

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proposed design. So, what we're seeking
tonight for is a site plan review uh to

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construct a 190 foot lattice
telecommunications facility and it's

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intended to improve wireless coverage
along Route 41 and the surrounding

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areas. So, as shown on this map, our
proposal is located on the east side of

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Route 41, which is also known as 1486
Pond Road. Uh the property is identified

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on the town assessor's map as map Hold
on, Kevin. We have the audience having a

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hard time hearing. Let me see if we can
get the owl going.

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» Okay, we're all
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» Drag that all the way to the edge.
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» big the biggest thing is there there
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that has it. It's like a little mute
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and when you touch it, it should unmute.
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» it's the speaker that we want,
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output option to the select a speaker
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» audio. Go.

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Randy, you brought up audio before.

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» Bluetooth devices
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» There you go.
>> Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you.

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We're gonna try to get to
>> volume is at 100%.

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» Yep. I'm just I'm just trying to talk so
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owl yet or not.
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speaker even though the owl is
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» Um,
is there just the one cord that runs to

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the owl? I can't remember if there's
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do what you said to me. If you didn't

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with that

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right here.

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» Still coming through the computer. Yeah,
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» Let me I'm going to unplug the owl. Put
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» uh Remy, can you say something?
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right? No,
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» No, it's through here.
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» This is now red.

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» Um, when you click on the little audio
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or the um like the up carrot at the
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audio?

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the computer on the or the

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» when you're in Zoom and you clip the
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towards the bottom of the options.
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control, but you talk about zoom on
Brenda's machine.

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» Yes.
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» in zoom on Brenda.

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printer's machine.
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here.
>> Say something now.

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» Yep.
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» Yep.
>> All right. That better?

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» Sorry, Kevin. You can start.
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loud and clear now.
>> Oh, more than that.

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» Can you turn back on the video now,
Keith, too?

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» All right. Yeah, we should be all set
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» Great. So, we're seeking a site plan
review to construct a 190 ft lattice

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tower uh intended to improve wireless
coverage along Route 141 and the

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surrounding area. So, as shown on this
map, our proposal is located on the east

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side of Route 41, which is also known as
1486 Pond Road. The property is

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identified on town assessor's map as map
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acre lot and it's within the limited
commercial district. Uh this is a

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picture of the property itself using
Google Earth. Um so we're going to have

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a proposed driveway which is
approximately 260 ft in length. I'm not

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sure if you can see my uh my mouse
pointer or not. Uh, but this is the

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proposed driveway to the site. It'll be
260 feet in length and it'll be 12 feet

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in width and it's going to be all within
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easement.
Now, with the exception of one utility

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pole located at the entrance, um, all
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underground from that point all the way
to the tower site. Um we have um minimal

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changes to the grade of the property are
being proposed and when it comes to

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traffic flow to the site uh once it's
constructed and operational it's likely

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going to see about two to maybe three
visits per month. It will really have no

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impact in the area as it's an unmanned
facility doesn't require any kind of

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sewer or water um or anything like that.
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access gate that will prevent um
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the property.
Now our lease area as you can see here

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in this zoomedin image is a 100 ftx 100
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square ft. Now our actual compound that
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lease area is an 80 foot by 80 foot uh
fenced in compound. Now, the fence

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proposed is an 8-ft high chain link
fence and it will have a 14 foot wide

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access gatement gate at the entrance. Uh
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turnaround
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there's going to be 6 in of 3/4 in crush
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the center of the compound. That's the
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the equipment shelters will be located
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these boxes that you see here. Um
typically these these communication

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shelters are u they used to be 12x20
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most often now they're all outside
outdoor cabinets that are used. Um again

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the the tower proposed is a 190 foot
lattice style tower like the one that

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you see in the image here. And this is a
perfect example. This is one of our

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sites that we've um constructed already.
And as you can see the lease area that's

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cleared is this 100tx 100 ft square
area. And then the compound within that

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is the 80 foot by 80 foot fenced in
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lattice style tower in the center of the
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surrounding it.
Uh this is an example of what it looks

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like at the the ground level of one of
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Now, uh your regulations require a fall
zone of 105% of the tower height, which

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is something that that we make. Um so
that would be 199 12 ft. And that's what

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this circle here represents
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um fall zone radius that's required by
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Now the this is a a vertical profile of
what the the tower will look like. Um

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again it's 190 ft lattice style tower.
The antennas will be towards the top of

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the tower. Um this tower does not
require any kind of lighting uh from the

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FAA. Um we've as part of our package
we've submitted an FAA determination of

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no hazard. Um and that that
determination basically says that no

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lighting uh will be required for this
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And this next image is just examples of
lattice towers that um our company owns

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and and constructed uh various sites um
in in New Hampshire just to get an idea

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of exactly what they look like.
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the propagation studies that are
associated with this site. Um it's

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important to note that tower sites are
not something that are selected by

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random. Rather tower sites are selected
based on ident identifying a need for

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coverage and then finding a suitable
site that meets wellestablished

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telecommunication sighting criteria. So
we don't pick a site that's just simply

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convenient. We have to first by begin
and identifying where uh service is

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being lost and then we use sophisticated
computer software and modeling to help

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us identify exactly where the coverage
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will be located to fill that coverage
gap. So after we identify a gap a search

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for a site is is begins and that's where
uh Jonathan um works hard to to find a

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suitable site. So things that he looks
for while he's looking for a site

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include uh constructability. Is the
site, you know, in an area that's

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constructible? Um is it available? Is
there a land owner who's willing to to

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sell or lease the property? Uh does it
meet zoning requirements? Um are there

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any wetlands in the area that we have to
be aware of and avoid? And we need to

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make sure that the site is uh available
for collocation capacity. So, this

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facility that we've proposed here is
proposed to eliminate a 3.7 mile deficit

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of wireless coverage along Route 41. And
so, I know you know your your town much

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better than I do, but of course, uh, m
the green line here identifies the town

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line. And of course, this is Mount
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Reedfield, uh, to the south and FET to
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indicate state roads. So the red line
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And then we have route 17 that goes
through Reedfield in Fyet. So the blue

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boxes that you see here are the existing
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surrounding Mount Vernon by other towns.
So, we have an existing site to the

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north of our proposed tower and then we
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west and an existing site in Reedfield
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that we're looking to fill in is this
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or the yellow color represents
inbuilding uh signal strength and the

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light blue or the cyan color represents
invehicle uh coverage. So if you're

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driving along Route 41 and you're you're
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you're able to make a call. If you're in
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area, you'll either drop the call um or
it'll be unreliable service where you

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won't be able to make a data connection
or your your your service will go in and

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out and you won't be able to uh to hold
a call reliably. So, this is the

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coverage gap that I I mentioned earlier.
>> Um Kevin, a question this coverage gap.

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» Uh excuse me.
>> Can I ask a question about the coverage

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gap? The colors. Sure. the levels I did
a little research and it seems like

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these are for quote a good signal where
fair most likely would work. Is there a

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reason that you didn't pick like four
different levels of colors to show where

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people probably already get coverage? I
live in the area that supposedly doesn't

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have coverage on this map and I get
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I think it would help describe why you
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» Yeah. Yeah. They they represent
inbuilding coverage. So the yellow

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represents that inbuilding signal. So
although you you may be able to make um

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your your phone call outside of you know
outside of your home. The yellow rep

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actually represents strong signal
strength that will penetrate um a

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building or a home to give you the the
coverage you need. Um the blue

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represents invehicle coverage. Um and
anything less than that um is weaker

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coverage. If you're not in a vehicle,
you know, the coverage may get a little

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better than that. Um but I, you know,
I've tested the these maps and I've

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driven this area and um I found it very
reliable along Route I'm not sure where

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you live um but along Route 41 I found
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Yeah, I live on to and the north end of
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still get signal strength.
>> Okay. So, are you are you in this? Can

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you see my pointer?
>> Kind of. Yeah.

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» Are you in that this area where I'm
pointing right now?

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» Look here. Go
to the where torsy actually starts to

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neck down.
>> Uh okay. Like this. So, so this area,

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» yeah, I can't tell you where you are,
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» Okay. And
>> well, again, it's it's it's not going to

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be 100%. It is a prediction map, but it
it does show some coverage in that area

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you're describing. Uh maybe you're just
outside of it. I'm not sure. But, um,

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you know, it's a it's a prediction map.
It's not going to be 100%, but it's it's

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it's relatively, you know, it's it's
fairly accurate. And this is, you know,

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the criteria
that's used to identify coverage gaps.

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» There's a question in the audience.
>> I don't know if you want me to go

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through the presentation completely.
>> Start over. I think while the coverage

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map is up, I think if there's a question
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to have it so we don't forget.
>> Okay.

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I get 53 inside.

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» So you're when you say behind you're
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» behind to the east.

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Okay, I guess keep going, Kevin.
>> Okay. Sorry, I couldn't really hear what

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he was saying. So,
>> he says that he has he lives 100 feet

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from where the tower is proposed and he
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» Okay. Um
Okay. Okay. So, so this is the um

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existing coverage today and then um with
our proposed site, this is the how we

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would fill in the coverage gap. So, you
can see the the white area in the area

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where this poor signal strength is
completely filled in now with with

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reliable service.
Um and so I was asked um by by the

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chairman to run various heights. Um so
you could see the the variation level um

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at these different heights. So we this
is our proposed height at 190 ft and

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then this is what it looks like at 150
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areas start to develop more of a
coverage gap where we lose, you know, in

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the handoff potential. And then as we go
down in height to 130 and then 110, you

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see where you'll still lose coverage
along Route 141 and you won't have that

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seamless coverage.
Um and then uh next was the um

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photographic simulations, the photo sims
that we did. We um had conducted a uh

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balloon test on July 7th. Um, we had a
third-party company um called Virtual

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Sight Solutions and we flew a balloon
again on July 7th from 8:00 a.m. to

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12:00 p.m. Uh, now the balloon was 3 and
1/2 ft in diameter and it was bright red

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and they went out 2 miles to capture
locations where the balloon was visible

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from and then simulated a tower at that
location if the balloon was visible from

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there. So, these pictures are taken from
public areas. at no point did they um

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access any private property if they
didn't have permission. So this balloon

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test was also advertised in the local
newspaper. And so the colors that you

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see on your map here um the green
represents where it is visible from and

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the red indicates that it is not visible
from that location. So it's it's um it's

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42 locations. So, I'll I'll go through
them, but just so you understand, um,

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the order that I'm going to show these
pictures is based on the distance from

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the proposed site. So, um, it may seem
like we're jumping around from, you

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know, different roads and areas, but
it's based on the distance from the

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proposed site. So, that's why it's it is
the way it is. So, our first location is

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um 413 feet just north of the site on
Route 41. And that is um you can see the

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balloon located right here. And this is
a picture taken from Route 41 of what

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how it would be visible from that
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Uh picture two is taken uh from Pine
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is visible. You can see the balloon
right here and the top of the tower is

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visible through the trees uh there.
>> Which road is this?

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» Picture three is taken from uh Potter
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at that point it is not visible at all.
Uh picture four is taken off of Pond

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Road um on Debbie's Road uh in front of
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And we see the top is visible um from
from this area on Debby's uh road.

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Uh picture five is taken um at the end
of Pine Grove Road. Uh it's 21 miles

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away and it's not visible from that
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Uh photograph six is taken from Breezy
Acres and the ball bloom was not visible

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from that that area.
Uh, picture seven, which you can see

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here, was taken uh, further south on
Pawn Road and the balloon was not

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visible from this area. It's 32 miles
away from the proposed site.

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Uh, picture 8 is taken uh, north of the
site um, on Route 41 at the intersection

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of Five Seasons Road and it is um, uh,
it is uh, slightly visible through the

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trees here. If you can see that it was
just barely visible through the top. Uh

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picture nine was taken further east on
Five Seasons Road. Now this is about 045

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miles away and it's not visible from
that location. Uh picture 10 was taken

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on um further south on Route 41 near the
town line and this is just a little over

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half a mile away and it wasn't visible
from that location. Picture 11 was taken

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east, further east on Five Season Road
and the balloon was not visible from

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that area.
Picture 12 was taken on Pond Road north

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of the site and the balloon was was not
visible from this area. Uh, picture 13

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was taken at the intersection of Pond
Road and Davies Lane in Reedfield and it

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was visible from this area as you can
see um going back and forth. The balloon

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is right here. And that's what it looks
like with the tower simulated into the

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picture.
Uh, picture 14 was taken on Desert Pond

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Road uh, a little over a mile away and
not visible from that location. Uh,

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picture 15 was taken uh, off of a
Chimney Road and that was u, excuse me,

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further south on um, Route 41 and it was
uh, visible from that location. And you

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see by the trees over here, you can just
see it, the balloon. And that's what the

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tower looks like in this area right
here.

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Uh, picture 16 is about 1.18 miles away,
taken from Weston Road, and it was not

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visible from that location. Picture 17
was taken from Desert Pond Road, 1.27

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miles away, and it wasn't visible from
that location. Picture 18 was taken

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further north on Route 41 and not
visible from that location.

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Picture 19 was taken from Weston Road,
1.43 miles away, and it was not visible

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from that location. Uh, picture 20 was
taken from Chase Road and it wasn't

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visible from that location. Uh, picture
21 was taken from Lake Road and it was

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not visible from that location either.
Uh, picture 22 was taken from Desert

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Pond Road and this is a mile and a half
away and it is visible through the um

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the the trees here because it's a wide
air open area and you can see the tower

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if I go back and forth a simulation of
the tower. Um, the top of the tower is

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visible from this area and that's 1.51
miles away. And then picture 23 was

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taken from Pond Road, not visible from
that location. Uh 24, another location

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on Echo Lake Road, 1.62 miles away, not
visible from that location. Uh picture

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25 was taken uh further south on Route
41, and it's not visible from that

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location. Uh picture 26 was taken on
Echol Lake Road as well, 1.69 miles

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away, and it's not visible from that
location. Uh, picture 27 was taken on

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Chase Road and it wasn't visible from
that location. Picture 28 was taken from

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41, 1.7 miles away, and it wasn't
visible from that area of town or that

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location.
Uh, picture 29 was taken from Reedfield

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on Main Street, 1.73 miles away, and it
was visible from that location because

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it's a wide open area with the
cornfields there. And you can see the

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photo simulation of the tower.
Uh, picture 30 was um taken from um

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further down on Main Street in Reedfield
and in that area it was not visible.

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Picture 31 was taken um at Echo Lake
1.74 miles away and it was visible from

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that location. You can see the tower uh
photo simulation here. Uh picture 32 was

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taken from uh route it's F FR17-1
which is off of Main Street 1.75 miles

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away and it's open but it was uh not
visible from that location.

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Uh picture 33 off of Main Street in
Reedfield was 1.75 miles away and it was

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not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 34 was taken on N road 1.78

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miles away and it was not visible from
that location. Uh, picture 35 was taken

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for another area on Main Street 1.78
miles away and it is visible from this

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location as you can see in the photo
simulation here. Uh, picture 36 was

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taken off of Echol Lake Road 1.78 miles
away and not visible from that location.

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Uh, picture 37 was taken off of, uh,
Chimney Road, 1.79 miles away, and it

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was not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 38 was another location off of

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Echol Lake Road, 1.85 miles away, and it
was visible from that location. As you

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can see, once you get that to that
distance, it's hard to make out what it

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is, but you can see that there's a tower
there. Uh, picture 39 off Point Drive um

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was not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 40 was taken off of Church Road

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and it was uh not visible from that
location either. Um, then picture 41 was

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taken from another point of off of Echo
Lake Road or Echo Road and it was not

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visible from there.
Uh, picture 42 was taken off of Main

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Street at another location just a little
over two miles away and it was not

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visible from from that location. So, the
reason why we we go through these maps

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is just to give you a general idea of
visibility. Um, we would like to make

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these sites completely invisible. Um,
fortunately it's not possible. But if

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you look at the just the the green and
the reds, it's it's

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» less visible than more than visible. um
because of the tree cover in the area.

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Um you know just uh briefly about
Industrial Tower and Wireless. We've

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been in the business for uh 50 years.
Um, we take pride in our work and we

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have our own crews who do everything
from the electrical and utility work at

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the sites um to the foundation and
excavation and concrete work um to um

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actually erecting the tower themselves
and and putting the antennas on the

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tower. That's that's all done internally
with our crews. Um, and we also do

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special projects like uh this is nothing
like we're proposing here, but this is

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just an example of a site that we own in
West Bridgewater, Massachusetts, where

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we had to put a um an antenna on top of
the tower. This is a broadcast tower, so

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we needed to use a helicopter to be able
to install this this antenna up there.

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We also take pride in how our sites work
look. Um, we have our own landscaping

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and maintenance crews who come around
and and and make sure that they're they

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look good. They cut the lawn when the
lawn needs to be cut and they make sure

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that everything's maintained um the way
that that it should be. So, all this to

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say that we just we take pride in in in
our sites and how they look and um you

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know, we're a local company whereas
we're out of New England. Again, we're

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our our main headquarters is based in
Massachusetts, and we have uh another uh

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office and and warehouse and crew that
that works out of a a comp our New

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Hampshire branch as well that would
likely uh service this site. So, we

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appreciate the opportunity to um you
know, present this to you and be happy

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to answer any questions you might have
either myself or or Jonathan. We have

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Kristen on as well.
Uh, one thing, Kevin, I'd like to Can

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you go back to one of the map pictures?
Doesn't matter which one. Just go to the

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the overview of the map
>> of the photo simulations.

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» Yes, please.
>> Yep.

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» Yeah. Um, one thing you don't show and I
highlighted this last meeting I took

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pictures that the eastern shore most of
the eastern shore of the main bay of

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Torsy will have a direct view of about
120 ft of the antenna stick above the

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western ridge western side of the
>> I personally during the balloon test I

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had driven down the road um that that
that leads to that area and it's heavily

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treed. I I couldn't I couldn't
[clears throat] see anything from the

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the road. I don't I can look up the
road. I don't have it in front of me

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which it was, but whatever road runs
along here. And honestly, I couldn't see

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anything. There was a public beach area
that I stopped at where it wasn't

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visible from.
>> Um but, you know, if there's houses

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there that, you know, I I obviously I
couldn't, you know, get in front of

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those houses to see the the wateride to
see what the visibility was. Um, but I I

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I I'll take your word for it, but I
couldn't personally see it when I um

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when I drove that road.
>> Yeah, it'll have to be have to be on in

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the people's houses or on their docks.
But

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» it's very visible. I took pictures and I
think we talked about that you don't

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can't do a photo simulation of the
pictures that I took.

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» Right. Right.
>> November when there's no

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trees.
It will be a little bit more.

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» Yeah.
>> About the construction piece of it.

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» Okay. Can you hear him? We have someone
in the public asking for construction

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details
>> or a comment.

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» How does how does the construction of
the esavation and concrete and I assume

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you're going to have to drill on the
ledge there to secure the tower. How

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does that how does that affect my well
that's downhill from that site 100 yards

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downhill from that site. How does that
affect my water quality?

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» So it shouldn't affect it. I I'm sorry.
I did hear him. Um he was asking about

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how it would affect his well. Um that's
100 was it 100 yards away? Is that what

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I heard?
>> 100 feet.

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» 100 feet away. Um
>> well there shouldn't be any well 100

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feet away. We that's on our property is
But how deep the foundation going to be?

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» Yeah, so the foundation will be about 8
feet. We'll do a geotech report that

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will um you know, see exactly the the
size and and and confirm that, but

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typically they're between you know, six
and 8 ft. And you know, we've built

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these close to to homes with with wells
and um there's been been no issues

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whatsoever.
And if there was an issue, we would take

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care of it.
>> But we've never come across any problems

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like that. Any

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other questions? Let me pull up.
>> Are there other any other sites that

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they looked at?
>> Kevin, can you hear that question?

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» Um, did she ask about other sites that
we looked at?

411
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,800
» Yes.
>> Yes. So, we in our application package,

412
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,920
see
what

413
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:52,640
we did alternative site analysis. um
that's in tab eight if you have the

414
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:57,119
package in front of you which shows two
which shows the sites that we looked at

415
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:02,000
to provide coverage to this gap. So, it
was a total of 10. Um, and and that's

416
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,760
something that that that Jonathan
McNeel, he he's actually the person who

417
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,480
looked at these sites, and he'd be able
to address those specifically if anybody

418
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:13,520
has any questions. But we did look at 10
other sites

419
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:19,760
» sites
>> and how did we decide this site

420
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,599
» versus the other site?
>> Um, well, so we have to measure the

421
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,200
distance between the difference between
providing coverage to the gap. So, it

422
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:33,280
needs to be within this this general
area. Um, so the other sites that we

423
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:37,920
looked at, um, the the land owners were
were not interested in in doing any kind

424
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,359
of of deal, um, or we couldn't agree on
on a location. But I'll let Jonathan, if

425
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:47,680
you want to speak to that specifically
since you were the person um, doing that

426
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:54,400
work. Yeah, I mean as Kevin says, you
have to have a worldling less or um and

427
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:59,520
we try to find locations that have
sufficient area space.

428
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,079
They have to meet the zoning
requirements and there's there's a

429
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:10,880
couple properties in the limited
commercial area. Um but uh this was the

430
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,880
only property that had a willing less
north.

431
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:26,280
So the self that you guys would be
paying the owners of that property like

432
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:26,280
a monthly fee or for as long as there

433
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:44,160
» well my other big question is how does
this affect my property value if I were

434
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:47,440
to sell my house someone buying it. I
wouldn't want to purchase a house

435
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:53,640
looking at a 200 foot cell tower in the
front yard. So, that's going to kill my

436
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,640
property.

437
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:02,320
» I mean, I think we still need to um deal
with the issue that you're asking for a

438
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:10,720
variance. Our ordinance says a tower no
greater than 100 ft. Um I still want to

439
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:16,079
see more data. You went down to 110, but
my research seems to indicate and based

440
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:23,599
on my testing around my place.
Your map seems to be for quote a good

441
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,520
signal where in most locations a fair
probably would work. They may get lower

442
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:32,720
data rates.
So I think we need to still review this

443
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,720
further of why we need that tall of a
tower.

444
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:43,119
Yeah, I mean
you we're not require we're not

445
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:50,000
requesting a variance at all for this
site. Your your bylaw does allow up to

446
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:55,200
190 ft. Um I I provided coverage.
>> Excuse me.

447
00:40:51,760 --> 00:41:00,240
It allows it if it you shows that it's a
significant uh I'll have to look at the

448
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:05,440
verbiage but basically anything less
than 100 ft the ordinance allows you to

449
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:12,160
do but greater than that you have to
show that um there's a significant

450
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:19,280
performance degradation by maintaining
that 100 foot or lower height.

451
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:22,960
» Yeah. the so we're proposing you 190
foot tower that's that that is accurate

452
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,720
and we did show the difference the
variations

453
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:32,480
» in the the lower heights um it'll come
at a cost unfortunately I mean we can we

454
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:37,599
build something less than 190 ft yes we
can um but it'll come at a cost of not

455
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:45,119
having the seamless coverage um you know
along Route 41 and along Route 17 um you

456
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:51,520
know if we were to reduce the height
down to 170 ft. Um, we could provide

457
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:56,319
similar coverage, but you need to
remember that there's multiple carriers

458
00:41:53,200 --> 00:42:02,079
that use these sites and they require 10
ft of vertical separation between their

459
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:08,079
antennas. So, when you um it may work
for the the top mounted

460
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,960
carrier at 170 ft, but you have to
remember that there's also going to be

461
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,800
another carrier who's going to be down
at 140 ft. and that's where it starts at

462
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:21,200
a degrade for the the various carriers.
So, we're trying to provide

463
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:25,839
we're trying to provide a solution at a
height that will provide coverage for

464
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:30,960
all the carriers.
>> There's nothing that can be added to the

465
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,560
power that's on Elmer Elvin's property
on Kent Hill or the power on Blake Hill.

466
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:41,440
That's
>> two miles. They're within two miles.

467
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:46,079
» We're 3.4 miles away from that site. Did
you get feedback from the you sent

468
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:50,240
letters to both tower owners? Did
>> we sent them to all the the tower owners

469
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:53,440
surrounding uh the area and we had no
feedback.

470
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:58,640
» No, I'm hearing that people on the
planning board earlier mentioned that

471
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:04,480
last meeting you mentioned that the
tower to the north on Lake Hill Road

472
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:08,480
doesn't have antennas on it now or maybe
limited antennas. Is that true?

473
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:12,160
» It does have antennas on that tower. I
don't I think might have been misqued. I

474
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,680
I if I said that that's not what I
meant. It It does have antennas on it.

475
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,520
» Cell phone.
Are they cell phone antenna?

476
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,520
» Correct.
>> Correct.

477
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,319
» Can I ask a question?
>> Sure.

478
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:32,079
» Yeah. Do you have any pictures of when
the foliage is

479
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:35,599
» Can you Can you see this picture here
on my screen?

480
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,359
» Yep.
>> Okay. So, that's that is that tower and

481
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:44,400
that's the antennas on the tower there.
There you can see the arrays.

482
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:48,319
» Uh
I see a picture of trees and a lake. Is

483
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:54,680
there a tower in there?
>> Let me uh let me stop and try to share a

484
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,680
different screen then. Hold on.

485
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,200
How about how about now? Do you see a
tower in that image?

486
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,480
» Uh nothing really. Oh
>> yeah.

487
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,079
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. This is the tower that

488
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:10,440
you're you're speaking of with and there
are antenna arrays on that tower.

489
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,240
And they don't provide coverage down to
Route 41.

490
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,800
» No, there it's it's uh it's 3.4 miles
away and it's just too far away with the

491
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:33,760
the terrain and topography and foliage
to to penetrate that area.

492
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:38,800
I can talk on the my house all the way
to Mount Vernon Village that I

493
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:46,000
» I think we still need to get better heat
maps because my research the uh decibel

494
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:53,760
uh range that you picked is considered a
good signal. Calls work well and data is

495
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:59,359
fast. 91 to 100 dBm um fair signal calls
work but data may be slow down.

496
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:08,000
Um I'm actually in the next zone down in
my house and I still get calls through

497
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:13,839
and data um is much slower. So I think
we need a better map showing maybe four

498
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:19,200
different colors for these ranges to
really show what the gaps the real

499
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:23,839
critical gaps are.
>> Sure. I I can add I can add some signal

500
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,480
strength levels to the um to the maps
and present that.

501
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,599
» Also, do you have any pictures of when
the foliage is gone?

502
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:39,760
» Um, no. I When the foliage is gone of
what the

503
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:46,800
» the site,
>> right? Don't you think that would show?

504
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:51,720
» I don't.
Can we direct the questions forward,

505
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,720
please?

506
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,520
» Uh Kevin, do you think don't you think
the towers will show a little bit more

507
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:10,000
when the foliage is gone?
>> Um it'll be it'll be it'll be slightly

508
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:15,280
more visible in certain locations, but
um you know that the tower itself is

509
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:18,960
gray. the t the trees off season
everything is kind of gray when it's

510
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,359
winter time and it still blends in
fairly well.

511
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:32,040
» There going to be like a town or this?
>> It's up to the planning board.

512
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,480
Any other questions from anyone?
>> We're just talking about the pitches.

513
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:51,720
» No. Any questions on this application?
>> What's a reception reception at camp?

514
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,319
» Do you know? I don't
>> I'm sorry. I I didn't catch that. I

515
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,520
heard the reception, but I didn't hear
the location.

516
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,520
» Campalo.

517
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,760
» Is that Is that the property to the
north?

518
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,400
» Yes.
>> Yes. Northwest

519
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,359
» that's in the town of um Mount Vernon.
>> Yes.

520
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:20,480
» Yes.
>> That's on the northeast side of Elay

521
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:26,760
just beyond the desert road from this.
>> Okay. It it's it's it's poor there.

522
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:35,319
The coverage is poor at that camp.
That's you know one of the areas we're

523
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,319
looking to provide some good service to.

524
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:47,599
We wouldn't have talked about this, but
proof of financial capacity. Have you?

525
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:51,680
» Yes, they uh we got a letter from plans.
>> Okay.

526
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Reading the ordinance.
It says proof of financial capacity. The

527
00:47:53,839 --> 00:48:06,000
bill maintain the proposed PWSF must be
submitted. But uh it doesn't talk about

528
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:12,079
uh bankruptcy.
>> Um in there I think we require that uh

529
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:16,800
it's a bond is assumed you probably know
it's a shity bond for the disassembly of

530
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,280
a tower.
>> Right.

531
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:25,240
» Right. And that's standard practice for
most sites that we would

532
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,240
» this

533
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:41,920
a copy of that.
We have a copy of the financial ability

534
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:46,079
to maintain and put it in.
But that would be a requirement in our

535
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:52,160
if this got approved that would be
condition of approval that they um I

536
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,359
guess create a bond which is a standard
thing for a lot of these projects.

537
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,200
I'm not an expert on it so I don't know
exactly how it works.

538
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,359
Do we know if these towers make noise or
anything?

539
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:14,559
Vibrations or
>> any radiation from it

540
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:19,280
out in field question.
>> Kevin, you want to talk about noise and

541
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:22,160
then RF radiation? I think you submitted
data to it. I I think you should answer

542
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,359
the question.
>> Sure. Sorry. I I could I couldn't hear

543
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:33,200
the question that was asked before, but
as far as noise, the tower itself makes

544
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:40,400
no noise um at all. Um as far as the um
RF EMF electromagnetic um force that

545
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:45,760
that we did provide a study um that
basically explains that you know if this

546
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:50,640
tower were completely loaded with um all
the wireless carriers operating at the

547
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:55,359
maximum power that they're licensed to
do which is way more than they actually

548
00:49:52,960 --> 00:50:02,400
ever operate at that even if and they're
all full power all at the same time it

549
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:07,359
would be less less than 11% of what the
uh maximum permissible exposure level

550
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:11,599
that the FCC allows for. So the FCC
governs this and they allow for a

551
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:16,160
certain amount of of power and if it
goes beyond that then that's when we

552
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:21,440
would have to file some uh special
studies. But what we're doing is 11% of

553
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:26,599
what's allowed. So it's well below the
threshold um that the FCC permits.

554
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:36,559
I'm sure you guys did like a wildwood
study too, right? I don't have any of

555
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,880
the reports in front of me, so that's
why I'm asking.

556
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,960
No impact on like birds or deer.

557
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,839
» We do environmental infection.

558
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,960
So I think I heard something about
worried about like wildlife. Is that is

559
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:08,400
that correct?
>> Yes.

560
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:13,599
» Okay. So so that is another part of the
process that we have to file with um we

561
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,760
have to comply with NEPA guidelines and
I think the NEPA report was filed with

562
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,160
the town. You should have a copy of it.
But there's basically eight criteria

563
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:27,760
that that governs that. Um the first one
is if it's in a wilderness or wildlife

564
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:33,119
area um you know that which we're not um
that could be an issue. Um if we affect

565
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:38,079
any kind of endangered species in
critical habitat um which we do not um

566
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:44,800
and we've provided the studies that
explain that. Um we also do not um have

567
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:50,319
an any effect on historical sites in the
area. Um we're not in in a flood plane

568
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:55,760
um which is another aspect of it. um we
don't affect any features like wetlands

569
00:51:52,400 --> 00:52:00,720
or surface features and um and we comply
with um the lighting aspect because the

570
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:04,240
tower will not be lit. So that's the
criteria of the environmental

571
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:08,480
assessment. But I think what I heard was
the concern about endangered species and

572
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:12,800
critical habitats and we've provided a
study that that that comments that we do

573
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:17,680
not our site as proposed will not affect
that.

574
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:25,440
» And just for the board, this is Kristen
speaking. Um it is tab 11. The summary

575
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:31,680
of NEPA is in tab 11 of your booklet and
was submitted the full report which is

576
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:38,079
over 50 pages was submitted um in its
full package with the original uh

577
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:41,640
» which anyone could go to the town office
and look at that.

578
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:53,680
any other s
>> this is not a question but it's a

579
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:58,480
comment so I don't know whether this is
the right time to make a comment

580
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,240
» you're in the public hearing
>> so for those of you who don't know me my

581
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:07,680
name is Susie Herman I live in Mount
Vernon um not near the site but I've

582
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,200
been on the ordinance for you committee
here on Mount Vernon for o over 30 years

583
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:18,880
I
Um, and I was involved when we created

584
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:25,040
the ordinance that applies to cell
towers um, over I think it's around 15

585
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:30,079
years ago. And I just wanted to bring to
the attention of the board members. And

586
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:36,559
you probably already know this, but
there seems to be some questions about

587
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:43,359
the height, the necessity for 190 ft,
the necessity for the tower to begin

588
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:48,400
with, whether there is a gap or whether
people get good coverage as it is, the

589
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:54,559
impact on on neighboring properties and
so on. And the ordinance has some tools

590
00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:03,359
for the planning board if you choose to
use them to hire an independent um

591
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:09,040
engineer and also an independent I think
it's called a landscape architect to

592
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:14,400
look at visual impact.
you have the ability to do that under

593
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:19,359
the ordinance and um at the at the
expense of the applicant to do your own

594
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:25,599
to have your own study of these
questions. It's a tool that we purposely

595
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:32,000
included in the ordinance. This is this
is very technical and um it seems like

596
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:37,200
that's something that uh you might want
to consider

597
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:43,200
um in terms of your evaluation of this
project especially in light of the

598
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:50,559
comments here. Um so that's that's
basically um what I wanted to say.

599
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:55,440
» So is that the town's responsibility to
pay for it? No.

600
00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:02,000
» No. or we can it can be at the
applicant's expense. I did very briefly

601
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:06,960
look at the big notebook at one time and
I thought there was something in there

602
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:11,520
that said the applicant was willing to
do that. Um I don't know if that's been

603
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:17,520
discussed. I haven't been involved with
this uh in terms of prior meetings, but

604
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:23,440
I just wanted to um bring that to your
attention that you do have these tools

605
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:27,680
to, you know, gather that information to
fully evaluate what's before you.

606
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:32,000
» We haven't really discussed this
application because the last meeting was

607
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,280
when the application was finally deemed
complete.

608
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,359
» Okay.
>> We're waiting for the public hearing

609
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:42,240
today with input. then we can start
discussing

610
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,800
um going forward. So where exactly what
you're saying?

611
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:53,280
Is there a time like a decision time
like

612
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,720
when
there's going to be

613
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:02,640
» on the board of thought
>> but there's no like expiration date of

614
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:08,640
» I mean there is some restrictions that
we can't just delay it but we need to

615
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:13,200
diligently work on the different
questions and issues. So,

616
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,200
» so it's not finished.
>> No.

617
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,240
» And actually after this public hearing,
we're going to go into the planning

618
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:29,160
board and we'll start discussing the
application and input we got tonight.

619
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:37,520
» Any other questions? Yes.
>> Comment. [clears throat] I recently

620
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:42,960
moved here from Raymond and I was
approximately

621
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:48,240
one mile away from the WGME tower which
is actually was the tallest man-made

622
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:55,839
structure in North America until the
Sears tower was built. I mean the thing

623
00:56:50,640 --> 00:57:04,079
is just unbelievable and no noise except
in heavy winds you would get like a hum

624
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:10,559
from the tower. Obviously, this is not
anywhere as close to that size, but it's

625
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:16,640
just some food for thought. You know, if
there would be wind generated noise,

626
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:21,680
it's a guy tower in Raymond. Yes. So,
there's there's guys this this will have

627
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,760
those that's what makes the vibration
makes the sound.

628
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:29,319
» Yeah.
>> This is a self.

629
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:29,319
» Yeah.

630
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:37,440
Have you ever had a complaint on any of
your towers that you've done in the past

631
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:41,680
on wind noise?
>> Negative.

632
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:46,400
» The the radio equipment
um is typically now the sign like a

633
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:51,680
refrigerator and kind of makes a home
like a refrigerator because it's it's

634
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:55,280
got radio equipment in it, not basically
electrical equipment like a

635
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,839
refrigerator.
The tower itself

636
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,599
Any other questions?

637
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:23,119
Okay. Um, I guess motion to close the
public hearing.

638
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:27,920
Make a motion to close the public.
Ron second.

639
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:33,440
All in favor?
All right, thank you everyone. Um,

640
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:43,799
we're now going to open the uh planning
board meeting at 8:12 p.m.

641
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:43,799
and uh we can now start reviewing uh

642
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:48,359
the uh cell tower application.

643
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:59,040
So Kevin, I I guess you did offer up
that you would run additional

644
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:05,040
um heat maps with maybe the four
different colors for the various levels.

645
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:09,440
Um
>> yep, I can

646
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:13,960
» uh present what we without the tower and
then with the tower.

647
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
» Sure.

648
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,839
All right.

649
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:36,400
» I do think we do need to um retain an
outside um engineer to review.

650
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:43,520
I know enough to be dangerous and I'd
rather see an expert in this field um

651
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,520
review the data.
Any

652
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:53,520
other good question copies of that too?
Instead of you know some of this the

653
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,000
ones that he showed the different
heights I think it was the first time.

654
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:01,880
» Um did you have the copies for the board
copies of those? Okay.

655
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,960
» But if we get
>> those 15 copies

656
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,760
» they're sitting here level right?
>> Yeah. Those are 110.

657
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:17,119
» Okay. But you're asking also for
different levels, correct?

658
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:25,280
» Yeah, I'd like to see like four
different levels and then um and also

659
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:31,559
down to 100 feet where the ordinance is.
And if anyone in the public wanted to

660
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:31,559
see the we get extra copies

661
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:46,599
like to nail down
Lake Hills tower.

662
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:55,760
» I think we can get the engineer to do
that. I think the engineer should go

663
01:00:51,760 --> 01:01:03,760
through the adjacent towers in the area
and come up with a heat map or validate

664
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:06,799
um what um they have the applicant has
submitted

665
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:12,960
but also state
>> are you still getting off that tower?

666
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:17,839
» I have to go try I tried this afternoon
and it was still pinging off the Kensil

667
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,720
tower
was on this

668
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:25,200
Yeah. No, we'll have to have it
verified. I would agree with you that on

669
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:28,960
the north side of my house, I used to
ping off that tower. Southside, I'd go

670
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:34,359
off the other tower and I tried it today
before the meeting and it stayed to the

671
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,359
cell tower.

672
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,280
We would like to request um if you're
going to hire a third party reviewer for

673
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:54,480
the um engineering that you would please
get three quotes just to make sure that

674
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:58,960
we're
>> um you know

675
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:04,920
» economically uh not the choosing the
most expensive person out there.

676
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,920
» No, I understand.

677
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:17,480
Has everyone gone through as far as from
the tower standpoint?

678
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Any other questions on the tower?

679
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:31,040
» To me, I think that the key is, you
know, and it's just for Kevin your

680
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:39,760
benefit. That's section uh 35 C
um I the height and where the ordinance

681
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:43,839
specifically states that um
the planning board may enlarge the

682
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:48,319
maximum height to 190 ft upon showing by
the applicant by substantial evidence

683
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:52,319
that enlargement up to 190 ft is the
only feasible alternative to fill a

684
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:56,240
significant coverage gap within the
meaning of the telecommunications back.

685
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,799
» So,
>> yeah, and I understand that it was just

686
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:02,240
mentioned that a variance would be
required for the 190, and I just wanted

687
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,440
to make it clear that we're not
requesting a variance. That's all.

688
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:11,520
» Um, I thought at the initial meeting
that we met on the application, you had

689
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,520
two variance requests. You had a
variance request not to send the letters

690
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:19,599
to the Jason tower owners, but you
backed off on that. And wasn't there a

691
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,400
second variance request?
>> No, there was some waiverss that we had

692
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,039
talked about, but there was no
variances.

693
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:31,680
We we didn't move forward with
submitting any waiverss for this

694
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:35,400
application. We ended up fulfilling all
application requirements.

695
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:46,640
Actually, I take that back. We did ask
for a waiver for the up to 10 miles for

696
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:52,960
the balloon test simulation photos down
to two miles. And that was

697
01:03:50,880 --> 01:04:00,680
that was agreed upon because the balloon
becomes

698
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,680
almost invisible at that distance.

699
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:07,760
» And I guess the other question I'll ask
it again is Kevin, we had talked at the

700
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,079
last meeting about the pictures that I
took. You say that there you had a

701
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:17,599
special camera, but I can tell you the
elevation, the distance away from the uh

702
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:23,760
tower that or the balloon that I took
that picture from. Your outside

703
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:29,119
contractor can't then do the simulation.
>> He can't. It needs to be done with his

704
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:32,880
his he's got a high-tech camera that
gives him a lot of different parameters,

705
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:38,160
and you can't get the same parameters
off like an iPhone picture or or a cell

706
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:41,039
phone or or even a regular camera. Even
if I know the elevation and the distance

707
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,200
away,
>> it's still he doesn't know where you how

708
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:48,640
you zoomed it, what the zoom rating was.
There's a lot of different technical

709
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:52,000
elements that I'm not, you know, really
at liberty to explain because I don't

710
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,359
understand it. But that that's what I've
been told.

711
01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:01,920
» Uh my iPhone, I'm pretty sure has the
spec the specs will actually tell you

712
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:05,200
all of that
>> when you take look at the details of the

713
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:10,160
picture.
Yeah, I I I can only explain what he was

714
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:14,319
told. I know he had gone to your house
to try to take a picture from there, but

715
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:18,880
there was nobody home at the time. So,
uh beyond that, I don't think there's

716
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:23,359
much he can do.
>> They would have accessed public lake and

717
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:29,359
a public boat landing take a boat up on
the north shore of east shore to sey

718
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:32,359
do a balloon test again and take the
pictures.

719
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,319
I think you have a general idea of where
you can see it on the lake. So I I don't

720
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:45,760
see that another balloon test will
accomplish anything. You you can you

721
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:51,640
know where you saw it from.
>> We can't make it invisible, especially

722
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:51,640
in an open area like a lake.

723
01:05:53,359 --> 01:06:01,280
In two months, you'll be able to take
pictures without foliage,

724
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:04,480
which I think is important to people
that live in.

725
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:10,599
» I'm not sure if we have the latitude
required test,

726
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,599
right?

727
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,599
I don't think so.

728
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:40,240
Yeah, it say they may require the
planning board may require a a balloon

729
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:43,480
test
say multiple.

730
01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:05,160
So really the questions outstanding is
the heat maps and the adjacent towers,

731
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,160
right?

732
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:18,160
» Okay. With that, I think we should move
on to the next uh agenda item.

733
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,839
So, um, just so I understand, so to
clarify, you're going to continue this

734
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:27,200
meeting to the next scheduled meeting,
and between now and then, you're going

735
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:30,480
to get three quotes for an engineer to
review the the studies.

736
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,599
» That is the goal.
>> Okay.

737
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:38,160
» Um,
I would expect that that's going to be

738
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,200
maybe it's an easy task, but I I
question if it's going to be all be done

739
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:45,359
in a month, but we'll give it a try.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, you'll keep us

740
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,839
informed.
>> Yes. Yep.

741
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:51,200
» Okay. When is the next scheduled
meeting? Just so I can

742
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:55,000
» Second Tuesday of the month.
>> Second Tuesday. Okay.

743
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,799
» It's the third Tuesday.
>> The 15th.

744
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:06,680
» Third Tuesday.
>> Third. Third Tuesday. The 15th.

745
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,680
» Okay.

746
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:13,799
I'm

747
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:21,839
only 100 yards from it's going to affect
you whether

748
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:24,960
or something look at the damn tower like
that.

749
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:31,679
» But they signed an agreement with them.
So I'm not sure how that affects us,

750
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:35,319
» right? I mean they they signed a lease
with the applicant.

751
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,400
» Oh, you're I think you said the land
owner. No,

752
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:45,199
» that the adjacent land
>> adjacent land. It's going to affect you.

753
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:49,040
I don't care how you look at years ago.
It's going to affect you.

754
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,199
» We say you got it. You want to pick up
next?

755
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,679
» No. Again, I think he's mentioned that
in this. So, that's record that we need

756
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,679
to review.
>> Right.

757
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:02,440
I'd be against I wouldn't book anything.

758
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,960
» They need to prove there's a tower that
big needed.

759
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:18,080
Okay, next item.
Uh, site plan review 1218 Bond Road,

760
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:22,440
Camp Laurel.
>> Good evening, Ben Mary from

761
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,359
all

762
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:32,279
myself. One second.

763
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:43,080
Okay. Thank you, brother.

764
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:55,400
» Yeah. Give it five minutes.
A little break.

765
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:37,400
Where's Jeff tonight?
>> Seems like he's always been the one that

766
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,400
comes here.

767
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,800
You got a new book?
>> Yes.

768
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:59,640
There was I can't remember the changes.
I think it was the housing, wasn't it?

769
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:04,920
» Thank you.

770
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:07,679
I'll go through that no longer than 30
ft larger than 200 square ft. And it

771
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:11,040
says may be permitted by the planning
board upon a finding after a public

772
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,880
hearing that the additional size is
necessary for safety or operational

773
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:20,239
necessity of the dock. Mhm.
>> Um it extends no further than that point

774
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,600
which the depth of the water reaches six
feet.

775
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,280
» Six feet. I I could you can go out to
where it reaches six feet.

776
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,520
» So for me I could go across the lake
almost

777
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:34,000
» if I wanted to
but they still need to go to the code

778
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:37,360
enforcement.
>> Yeah. Probably have to reject it and

779
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:42,000
kick it over.
>> Well you reject it. You'll just say that

780
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,560
based on what they're asking for the
planning board and you'll tell Dr. B to

781
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,560
put it on the agenda.
>> Yeah.

782
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,400
What's there right now?

783
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:03,360
» Yeah.
>> Well, it's mostly field.

784
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,400
» Yeah,
>> that was cleared the past year when it

785
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,560
just cleared
>> uh about two acres was cleared in the

786
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:16,600
past year. The remaining of it's been
cleared for used to be our horse

787
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,600
pasture.

788
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:38,719
photos. What was that's always been
clear and we're clear in this area.

789
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:43,280
Looks like a garage
door. There's like a dead.

790
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:47,159
» Yeah, that's
pretty cleared over there.

791
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,520
aren't

792
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,840
having their own meeting downstairs

793
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,040
right now.

794
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,840
Yes.

795
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:22,600
catching me up real quick. So, what's
his zone right now? He's rural.

796
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,120
» Should save it in the application.
>> Yeah.

797
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,400
» Sorry.

798
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,600
You didn't get
right there.

799
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,920
Okay.

800
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,320
Uh again, I'm Benson.

801
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:02,040
This is uh okay Laurel

802
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:12,400
practice area. Uh this is for
orientation. This is pond road

803
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:19,679
and this is desert pond road here. So
this is the corner this section here. Uh

804
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:24,159
there a large uh field existing field uh
you can see by this tree line

805
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:30,640
delineation here. Now, uh there will be
clearing this portion the wooded area

806
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:36,000
down towards P on road. Uh what this uh
facility will have will have some

807
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:41,679
driving ranges here the kids to utilize
as well as some chipping to putting

808
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:47,920
greens as shown in this gray area here.
Uh there was a small uh building

809
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:54,159
in this location. This will house some
bathrooms, house uh place to store

810
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:57,920
equipment for the uh golf practice area
and then there will be a trail

811
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:04,400
connecting into their existing
facilities as well to access it. Um a

812
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:08,960
lot of greenery here obviously with the
driving range and the parking green a

813
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:15,440
little bit of new impervious area um
will be associated with this. We have

814
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:21,040
quantified it total as 5,933
square ft.

815
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:30,320
of new impervious area. Camp Laurel has
an ongoing site location permit with D.

816
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:36,159
So this they allowed up to 10,000 square
ft of impervious area per calendar year

817
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:42,000
without having to submit a new permit.
We just have to notify D of the

818
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:46,320
operation, provide our drawings to them
and give them a notification. So upon

819
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:51,199
approval from the planning board, we
will be doing that providing that

820
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:56,560
notification to the EP to update their
slogan permit.

821
01:20:52,400 --> 01:21:01,520
» When do you propose to do this?
>> Uh, hey, how are you representing camp

822
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:07,520
Laurel? Um, we're
currently working on just the grass area

823
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:11,120
right now and as soon as we have a
permit for the building, we'll do it

824
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:15,920
immediately as soon as we get that
permit for 2027 season.

825
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:19,679
» The bathrooms.
>> Is there the diameter of the circles and

826
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,679
the length indicating some?
>> Those those have actually been

827
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:29,040
eliminated. Um, our original drawings,
um, our developer was going to put

828
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:33,600
little circle turf areas to chip the
balls, too. Um, but we've removed those

829
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,880
for budgetary reasons, and we're not
going to do anything like that. We're

830
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:40,560
just going to have, um, it's all going
to be gravel here. We're not putting any

831
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:45,679
cement or anything except for the
proposed building pad and two bathrooms.

832
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:49,760
Um, it's just going to be a turf hitting
pad right there that goes in the ground

833
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:54,000
hitting into the already natural field
that's currently existing. And then

834
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:58,239
we're going to have some some areas over
here that will have some some holes and

835
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:02,719
some flat areas to chip onto.
>> Anything preventing it's a slice to the

836
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:05,840
left
to the left.

837
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:11,520
» I'm gonna have a 20 a 20 foot fence
right here. Oh, for over this this area

838
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:17,040
right now. We have um I have um pine
tree fence giving us a quote to do a 300

839
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:21,199
foot um 40 foot fence there to prevent
balls from going over there. And the

840
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,600
tree line is very very thick and dense
over there. But we're going to look at

841
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,840
adding that fence just to you know be
more cautious about any of those.

842
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:37,120
» Sounds good.
>> Or and not let any lefties play

843
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:44,080
» between the uh building and the road.
I don't have a dimension on there right

844
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:46,719
off, but uh the building itself was uh
40 by

845
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:54,000
» 40 by 38.
>> 38. So I would say it's uh it's at least

846
01:22:51,840 --> 01:23:00,639
uh three times that length. So it's got
to be I'd say 100 ft.

847
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:03,600
Yeah, I would say at least that because
we wanted it further back, but with the

848
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:08,880
angle of getting it straight, we
actually had to push it significantly

849
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:12,239
farther up than
>> Even as much greenery.

850
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:16,719
» You can't We don't want to see the road
anymore. We want the road to see us. Um,

851
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,520
right now the natural Yeah, we're not
clearing anything closer to the road.

852
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:23,120
Anything that's clear, I don't know the
last time you've driven by there, but

853
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:28,719
nothing is changing the buffer between
Route 41 or Desert Pond. We want buffers

854
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:32,719
as much as anybody else does. That will
not change whatsoever.

855
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:36,159
» Is that a permanent fence you're going
to put up or is that something that's

856
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:41,199
like a netting that's removable?
>> So, right now to get the 40 ft and we

857
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:45,600
haven't fully decided on this, but it
would be um having telephone poles put

858
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:49,520
in that would be on our property and
then I'd have caravans on it so we could

859
01:23:47,679 --> 01:23:53,360
drop the net off season just for
maintenance reasons and just for visual

860
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:57,718
reasons. So we can drop that when we're
not in our six week period. [snorts]

861
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:05,920
» How long would that be that?
>> Right now we're just getting into the

862
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:11,199
stage of it. But right right now we have
it proposed for about 300 ft from where

863
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:16,560
the driving area starts from
>> because that's where we see the most

864
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:21,360
concern being is close way up here. I
think the tree buffer and you know the

865
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:25,120
kids hitting it that far is going to be
much less accurate.

866
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:28,960
» This this escalates up in grade as well.
It does like a 4% pitch upwards.

867
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:33,920
» Yeah.
>> Where's the road that comes in up top

868
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,840
here? There's a road off Desert Pondro.
It's not a road. It's like a path or

869
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,840
whatever.
>> Uh it's a it's our property of a we have

870
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,960
a cabin that's that's back there. That's
there's a huge buffer of wood.

871
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:46,719
» This is a big wetland here. There's a
cabin further up here in the top page

872
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:49,679
and it's further up here. Yeah. Yeah.
Pass up.

873
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,520
» Well, that is owned by
>> Yeah, this is all all game.

874
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,960
» It's not That wasn't originally owned by
them. You guys, right?

875
01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:00,480
» Is that owned by [clears throat] uh
>> It goes all the way to Jim

876
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:04,239
Christensson's property.
>> They bought a lot of properties.

877
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:07,679
» So, they bought the properties from uh
the Forest Forest. Didn't Forest own

878
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,719
that trailer?
>> No, we let him live there. We've always

879
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,719
owned that.
>> Oh, okay. Because actually he worked for

880
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:15,840
you guys, right?
>> Yes, he did. Yeah, he's our caretaker.

881
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,840
So that was our caretaker property.
>> Okay.

882
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:26,800
» Yeah. So we're not disturbing any of
these wetlands that are here.

883
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:32,400
Let's keep it into this defined path. We
had wetland uh scientists go out and map

884
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:37,840
the wetlands. So confirmed there are no
wetlands in this area. So it seemed like

885
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:42,320
it was a good fit for the
good fit for it.

886
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:48,440
Yeah. We'll have two bathrooms to go to
a tank and then over to their existing

887
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,440
aluminum system.

888
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:02,880
Okay, I guess we can go through the
application and

889
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:07,120
um deem it complete hopefully. I assume
you've already gone through the the site

890
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:12,880
plan review and
yeah, pass it in question.

891
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:19,360
the application of the plan.
>> So I can list off the site plan and

892
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:22,239
someone can say it's there.
>> What page

893
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,080
» that's on 6-5
>> 6-5

894
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:27,080
» on the new ordinance.

895
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,920
» What is it?
>> 65.

896
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:43,120
» So name and address of applicant.
Yes.

897
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:47,120
» You know, I'm one of the other members
needs to say, "Yeah, let me just whip

898
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:53,560
through this and get it over with."
>> Uh, existing soil conditions

899
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,560
actually.

900
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,679
» Yeah. Dil.

901
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:12,639
» Oh, so your item numbers don't
correspond to our item numbers.

902
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:18,199
separate off ABC.
Uh next one is is soil condition B.

903
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:23,719
» Okay?

904
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,520
» But you're not building on wetland, are
you?

905
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,080
» Excuse me. you might using this. There's
going to be no wetland.

906
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:46,120
» No, no wetland impact.
>> Yeah. So, in other words, um

907
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,120
» we had it mapped.

908
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:51,040
» So, it sounds like we're good on that.
>> Well, where is the existing soil

909
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:57,280
conditions described?
>> What's the soil map?

910
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:02,480
That's the existence condition soil
mapping.

911
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:06,239
» G.
Yeah.

912
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:10,719
Note that it says this was confirmed by
a planning board member at a meeting

913
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:15,080
while discussing another project.
>> I assume you're kidding.

914
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,080
» What?

915
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:22,400
» Where'd you see that?
>> Says no aquifers are known to exist

916
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:26,239
within the boundaries of the 7.5 minute
USGS quadrangle where the project is

917
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:30,480
located. This was confirmed by a
planning board member at a meeting while

918
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:33,360
discussing another project. Well, I'll
be glad to say that there are no experts

919
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:38,000
in
>> I would agree, but I don't like that

920
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:44,199
reference.
>> We're not supposed to the experts on

921
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,199
this, but all right.

922
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:52,880
The property lines, slot numbers, all
properties abing the proposed

923
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:59,199
development
and owners of property within 300 ft.

924
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:04,840
I saw a section for Butters. Same thing.
See that?

925
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:04,840
» Yeah. See, that's the information.

926
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:15,320
» See, uh, peace.

927
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:41,360
And the letters have been sent out.
>> Yes. Yes. There's a letters

928
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:46,639
» don't normally we get the copies of the
letter uh the mail mailing.

929
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,639
» Yeah.

930
01:29:54,320 --> 01:30:01,040
perimeter survey of the parcel made in
certified land surveyor. That would be

931
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:07,560
your map that you got here.
>> Yeah,

932
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,560
» that's co one.

933
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:28,159
location, ground floor area, elevation,
setbacks of buildings and other

934
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:33,120
structures located on this parcel
existing and proposed in the total area

935
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:37,920
location of parking lots, road, paved
areas, areas to be stripped or graded

936
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:42,000
not to be vegetated.
Which one are you on?

937
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:47,320
» 6-6
on item F.

938
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,320
» Okay.

939
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,480
» Here we have a cont

940
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,560
section

941
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:22,600
» of the response to each item. I think
>> Oh, you have a section

942
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:31,239
» page.

943
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:37,560
That's section F is financial.

944
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:01,320
I know I saw that drawing, but of course
I can't find it now.

945
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,719
still on F.
>> Yeah.

946
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:34,440
» Anyone found it?
>> Yeah, it's on page. No, they're they're

947
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,440
submitt.

948
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,440
Oh, okay.

949
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,800
Oh, okay. Great. Thank you.

950
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:06,040
Hey everyone on that page. So there's
submittal

951
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:06,040
on 66

952
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:14,639
they have a response to site plan data
requirements on their submittal

953
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:18,120
and it's has all these items that we're
going through right now.

954
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:30,920
» We're using the code, right?
>> No, but we're looking at their data.

955
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:30,920
» Okay. Perfect.

956
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:42,880
» Letter has what you're asking for
response.

957
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:45,880
» Okay.
>> Okay.

958
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:07,199
And the larger map has got the paved
areas and roads.

959
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:12,719
» Yeah, it's the gravel
for the uh area building, but there's no

960
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:17,960
curved
no changes, just gravel path.

961
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:33,120
Will this be another crossing across 41?
and we'll be utilizing the crosswalk.

962
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:36,800
» So, this path is right to an existing
crossing.

963
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:40,760
» It's a little
This will be um

964
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:46,800
it's going to be actually going this
path is going to be going to our

965
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:50,239
existing road and they'll be crossing
where that crosswalk is across from our

966
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,800
staff housing area. That's
>> So, will we get an updated map?

967
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:56,960
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we can get an updated map

968
01:34:55,199 --> 01:35:00,560
just where that ties into that. It's
really just this is going to go straight

969
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:06,480
and it's going to go straight into our
existing road.

970
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:10,239
» Where is that uh speed bump located?
>> That speed bump is probably right about

971
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:13,840
where it shows this path going out.
>> That's a crossro, right?

972
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,120
» Yeah,
>> the speed bumps are taken down now after

973
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,080
the kids.
>> They were taken down. Yeah, they're

974
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,840
taken down sooner than we planned.
>> So So they were only just up. Yeah,

975
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,000
they're temporarily. Absolutely. Yep.
Yep.

976
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:29,040
» Are you closer already?
>> We have um a church group there that's

977
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:33,120
right now.
>> Why they took it down?

978
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:37,040
» We took it down because paving in town,
they actually ripped them out with their

979
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:42,639
trucks, but they pulled their J brakes
on them and ripped them out.

980
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:46,800
» Yeah, it was a quite the ordeal.
They weren't designed for 18 wheelers

981
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:50,400
slam on their brakes apparently 50
times.

982
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,840
» Replace them.
>> We're

983
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:59,360
working on talking to them about the
damage done to them and the resources

984
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:03,040
that we had in sheriff's office and
horns crew coming [clears throat] in

985
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:06,639
emergency removing them. It was quite
the process.

986
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:10,120
» So Brenda, that's an open item that
updated Matt.

987
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:18,760
» Okay.
Okay. Location curve sidewalk come down

988
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,760
here.

989
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:55,600
Okay. Looks like G's covered. Yes. Okay.
H. Design an ingress egress of vehicles

990
01:36:52,320 --> 01:37:02,360
to and from the site public streets.
No change from what's there.

991
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:02,360
» No change. No public vehicle access.

992
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,280
» This whole thing is operate one side.
Anyway,

993
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:20,400
» location widths of all existing proposed
streets.

994
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:26,000
within the proposed development site.
And

995
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:30,119
» site plan has existing streets uh label
but no there are no proposed

996
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:34,119
» sorry

997
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:46,040
location type size all existing proposed
catch basin storm drainage facilities

998
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,040
stream forces trans

999
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:53,119
» um no new storm water infrastructure
Sure proposed

1000
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:57,119
again we have noise environmental
services from Bangor coming the

1001
01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:01,480
wetlands.
>> What about drainage off the roofer

1002
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:08,119
» that is there?

1003
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:26,840
No streets. Okay. Eyes. No streets
proposed. No new streets. J.

1004
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:26,840
Okay, we Okay, got that. Uh,

1005
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:34,400
existing proposed final grade elevations
of entire site system drainage proposed

1006
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:39,679
contour intervals 10 ft unless otherwise
specified.

1007
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:44,880
» Yeah, we have two for contours.
Uh, actually one contours on our plan.

1008
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:48,880
Maybe some slight training around the
building

1009
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:55,400
and for the walkway
as well as the uh putting areas. That's

1010
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,400
it.

1011
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:06,159
Okay. Location of acifers. We already
covered that a few minutes ago.

1012
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:10,400
Location map drawn scale at no more than
500 ft to the inch to show relation of

1013
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:13,400
proposed development to the surrounding
area.

1014
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,920
Okay.

1015
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:35,960
And sedimentation erosion control plan
included exhibit P.

1016
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:57,440
Okay, everyone okay with that?
Okay. Oh, brief description complete

1017
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:01,880
written summary of the scope of
activities be undertaken on the site

1018
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:06,280
» the golf course right

1019
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:15,679
narrative
drives

1020
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:20,320
how the facility is going to be used of
the

1021
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,320
um application

1022
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,920
Where is the narrative?

1023
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:35,800
project.
>> No, there. Thank you.

1024
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:11,840
Um, is there anything about the timing
of the construction schedule, anything

1025
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:16,119
like that?
plan to be finished by 202

1026
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:47,280
the proof of notification. So, we talked
about that already. The letters if we

1027
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:49,920
get the copies of the certification.
So, that's an open item, Brenda.

1028
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:53,360
» Yep.
>> Yeah.

1029
01:42:51,440 --> 01:43:00,199
» Uh, proof the applicant has adequate
financial technical capacity.

1030
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:00,199
» I saw was an email from there

1031
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:03,480
from somebody.

1032
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:07,880
This is a

1033
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,080
» people are various oldies.

1034
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:23,000
» It says from an established financial
institution.

1035
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:27,480
This is just a letter from themselves.

1036
01:43:28,239 --> 01:43:33,800
We're selfunding. They're still they're
selfunding.

1037
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:41,639
There's a letter. Which where's the
letter?

1038
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,639
» Right here.

1039
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:58,159
I have no doubt that you have the
capacity in, but says that they have the

1040
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:02,400
means from an established financial
institution, not themselves. Except if

1041
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:06,719
you're if you're funding it out of your
own cash.

1042
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:09,360
What does the bank do?
>> You have more money than you know what

1043
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:12,159
to do with you don't need.
>> I'm I'm just asking the question. I'm

1044
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,360
looking at what
>> No, I I hear what you're saying. I mean,

1045
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:19,920
and when someone's funding it
themselves, I would think a bank would

1046
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:26,280
say yes, they have the money to do it.
>> They don't need to.

1047
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:26,280
» They they could prove their balances.

1048
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:33,320
» Never been initially.
>> Okay. I'm I'm just bringing it up.

1049
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:42,880
» I I'm willing to
>> I don't I don't doubt it. I just

1050
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:46,880
» based on history
>> I know you're saying

1051
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:49,760
» the ordinance says
>> the previous applicant we required a

1052
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,760
letter and we did get a letter from
their institution but we don't know

1053
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:53,760
them.
>> Yeah,

1054
01:44:52,400 --> 01:45:00,000
» these guys are in town. I'm I'm good
with work. Well, they've submitted

1055
01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:05,360
almost someone else is everyone's good.
Okay. The amount of type of raw finished

1056
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:09,320
waste material stored on site
outside of roofed buildings.

1057
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:29,360
Yeah, this uh
we said in the response is anxious on

1058
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:36,960
hazard properties
concrete wood structure on site.

1059
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:43,719
Um all the waste is handled by their
normal way. So they they handle the

1060
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:43,719
operations.

1061
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:50,159
So everything on this site is related to
the golfing.

1062
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:52,719
Nothing else incidental for the rest of
the camp.

1063
01:45:53,840 --> 01:46:01,520
Okay. Landscape plan showing location
type approximate size of plantings

1064
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:09,360
locations that item C. Yeah. Most of
this going to be u still wooden

1065
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:14,719
um minimal um disturbance as much wood
as the wood buffer as I can. So just

1066
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:21,040
enough to plan for building in there
driving range and back. So

1067
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:25,080
maintaining system
vegetation as much as possible.

1068
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:33,960
So on the plan there's no
one distinguished here.

1069
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:46,600
Did not know a large tree here that
remain um keep in place.

1070
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:52,800
love
the beautiful tree.

1071
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,199
» Yeah.
>> And what shade

1072
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:03,119
» but there is some a little bit of
proposed landscaping here and shown in

1073
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:08,960
the green as well
to enhance the areas here on the bottom.

1074
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:14,719
But all this vegetation here remain well
as here.

1075
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:20,400
» How many T's you going to have? Um, I'm
looking at like a 15 day driving range

1076
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:24,960
debox and then it's going to be like a
chipping zone that you can chip on to

1077
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:30,080
and then just a little putting green
that kids can practice putting on. Try

1078
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:35,280
to keep like 20 or 22 kids kind of
active at the same time and then let

1079
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:40,320
them rotate
and build really just for storage and

1080
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:43,960
for them to use restaurant far off from
the rest of our facilities.

1081
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:55,840
Okay. Lighting. Um, you have a thing
about

1082
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:58,840
» the husband decided if lights would be
installed.

1083
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:04,880
» I would think that would something we'd
have to review that was going to be

1084
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:08,800
installed because there is a hot on the
corner there. I guess what the hours

1085
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:15,040
would be and what kind of lighting. Our
our program will run from from 9:00 a.m.

1086
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:19,600
and no later than 5:30 p.m. Um the
lights that we put if if at all would

1087
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:23,360
just be on this building and that would
just be for the surrounding area of the

1088
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:26,639
building just for clean up and
maintenance purposes, but we're not

1089
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:32,000
planning on operating this in the
evenings.

1090
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:35,000
» That light beast
lighting.

1091
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:43,040
I think a condition should be then if
you ever plan to go night operation you

1092
01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:46,040
need to come back.
>> Y

1093
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:53,800
» okay type size of incineration devices
nothing okay.

1094
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,719
Okay. No loud speakers.

1095
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:20,280
Is this what we would sign or is there
another drawing here? I don't see a area

1096
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,280
for us to signatures

1097
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,719
open item.

1098
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:34,679
» Are we going to wave a public visit? I
mean a site.

1099
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:45,760
» Are we allowed to wave a site visit?
Well,

1100
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:48,480
» I I I agree that I I I would don't think
I need to see it, but I know the area. I

1101
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:53,520
just
>> I I'm not suggesting we wave it. I was

1102
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:58,840
just wondering on this.
>> Yes, I think everyone drives by there at

1103
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:58,840
one time or another.

1104
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:10,480
Um we do should have a public hearing.
Um I think your application's not

1105
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:13,920
complete yet. We can't schedule a public
hearing until the application's

1106
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:18,400
complete. So there is what three open
items.

1107
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:23,119
» Correct. We have a return receipts. We
need to have an updated site plan uh the

1108
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:28,159
site map and then with that site map we
need to have sign block. You guys can

1109
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:31,520
sign off on the actual site plan itself.
>> I mean there are minor issues. If you

1110
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:38,719
can get those submitted to the office in
the next week or so, we could um we

1111
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:41,880
could schedule a public hearing at the
next meeting.

1112
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:53,639
» Everyone good with that?
>> So, the third Tuesday of next month.

1113
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:53,639
» Good.

1114
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:59,360
Then they'll decide if there's a site
meeting

1115
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:02,960
or they'll schedule a site meeting then.
>> Well, they need to come and hit some

1116
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:05,920
golf course. [laughter]
>> There's really nothing to look at.

1117
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:08,639
» No, I think we just we just talked that
we're not going to do a site visit.

1118
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:12,159
» No. So,
>> there's nothing to look at.

1119
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:16,960
» Yeah, I I agree. I'm happy to have all
of you involved. [laughter]

1120
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:20,080
» But we want to see something exciting.
>> Better have that fence in place for me.

1121
01:51:19,112 --> 01:51:25,920
[laughter]
Walk down that road. So the public

1122
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:29,520
hearing will be the 15th of September uh
7 p.m.

1123
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:34,520
» first up.
>> Planning reasons out soon is permanent.

1124
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:45,520
» We'll if pending no nothing comes up
from the public hearing uh we could sign

1125
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:47,920
that night. We'll put an agenda item to
review the application after the public

1126
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:52,400
hearing.
>> Right. And pending no issues come up,

1127
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:58,920
we'll sign right then and you're good to
go to code enforcement.

1128
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:58,920
» Thank you guys.

1129
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:10,320
Yes, I do.
>> So, for those open, we should bring them

1130
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,719
down to the town office.
>> Yeah,

1131
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:15,040
» I'll be at the town office.
>> Okay.

1132
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:18,320
» Hours tomorrow?
>> 7 to 3.

1133
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:20,320
» 73. All right.
We'll get that over to you.

1134
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:27,320
» Awesome. Thank you.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you, Eric.

1135
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,320
» Good night.

1136
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:36,719
» Okay, Ron, I assume we'll jump over to
you to try to get you out of here.

1137
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:43,800
» Sounds good to me.
I get I guess right

1138
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:43,800
copy of the deed.

1139
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:50,159
» We have seven people on the board but
two couldn't make it tonight.

1140
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:52,639
» Gotcha.
>> Thank you.

1141
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,639
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

1142
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,800
Thought

1143
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:14,480
we just [snorts] discussed last time
that what was the final decision that we

1144
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:17,679
talked about?
>> Yeah. You said you were good with

1145
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,280
everything. You just wanted to see the
deed.

1146
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:25,440
» Okay.
>> You were going to complain.

1147
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:32,159
» Yes. I want to make A, B, and C.
Three lots that were broken out

1148
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:40,320
whenever. Just one lot.
So I don't have to pay $550 times three,

1149
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:43,119
just $550 times one.
>> My old age.

1150
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:48,800
» Have you got the new deeds? I mean, did
you just redo your boundary lines into

1151
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:52,800
one?
>> I I have done nothing. The only thing

1152
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:56,719
that you guys wanted to see was was this
present.

1153
01:53:53,760 --> 01:54:01,119
» I thought Freddy, you said you take
a new boundary.

1154
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:07,440
» Yeah. Well, it says the sidelines are
the same, right? They don't move. It's

1155
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:10,320
just that the
>> two inside,

1156
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:14,960
» right, are just going to be I just want
to eliminate those.

1157
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:19,960
» You're just going to need
>> from point A to point B. You're going to

1158
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,960
have let's say

1159
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:26,920
you're just going to have one lot, one
big lot. Yep.

1160
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:33,080
That's what I did to it.
>> Yeah,

1161
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:43,360
I guess if you know plans to build at
some point, but I don't. I mean, I like

1162
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:50,159
land the way it is. Never. In fact, I
don't think one lot is is buildable,

1163
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:56,880
» right? You know the one on
what is it along whatever road there at

1164
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:02,920
the other road. It's kind of swampy in
there.

1165
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,920
Makes it simple.

1166
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:11,360
Is there something once you do this and
stop reversal

1167
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:15,119
or you have to come back
be a new subdivision?

1168
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:19,360
» Yeah.
I'm sure he knows where he wants to be

1169
01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:22,800
for the play. Your kids can worry about
it.

1170
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:27,440
» I told my daughter that on Sunday she
came up and everything [laughter] and I

1171
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:30,480
said, "Just think someday this will all
be yours."

1172
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:35,000
I ain't worrying about it when I'm
looking up at the brown dirt.

1173
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,000
» Nope.

1174
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:39,400
» That tree.

1175
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:45,920
It's not in tree.
>> No, not that I'm aware of. No.

1176
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:51,360
Where does it actually state that
they're combining?

1177
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:56,480
Being a little dumb here. This is just
existing. This is existing.

1178
01:55:53,520 --> 01:56:02,280
» Oh, that's not
up yet.

1179
01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:02,280
» Okay. Got it.

1180
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:13,440
» Yeah, that lot is going to be best
combined.

1181
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:15,360
» What's that? the lot the three path
would be best combined.

1182
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:19,440
» Yes.
>> There's no other Yeah. The one on the

1183
01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:26,159
main road isn't buildable anyway anyway,
>> right? Exactly. It's kind of

1184
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:32,239
» you and you pop point.
>> Yes. I'm on I'm off popular point.

1185
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:34,639
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I broke that same
problem.

1186
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:37,840
» Yep. I remember you telling me that.
>> So above

1187
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:41,520
» there's nothing there.
goes ahead with this. Do we have to

1188
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:45,360
» does he have to bring us a new survey
plan that just shows all we want and we

1189
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:51,440
got to sign off on it or they're going
to have to ref you know they're taking

1190
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:54,560
away an issue for the office too.
Well, he lived down there,

1191
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:56,719
you know.
>> So, he just comes goes to assess her,

1192
01:56:56,239 --> 01:56:59,719
right?
>> Yeah.

1193
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:05,040
» Doesn't this wouldn't it get recorded as
one deed with the

1194
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:08,639
» It has to get recorded. So, do we have
to sign an approved site plan? You know,

1195
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:12,679
just a plan that says this has been
approved to make this one lot.

1196
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:21,040
» We have to do a site division, but I I
sign a combine. I think it's just a

1197
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:26,960
matter of he goes to the assessor
showing the new deed and the assessor.

1198
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:30,080
» All right. I know you know the reverse
that we have to have to do anything

1199
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:33,920
because it was a subdivision
>> reversing the subdivision.

1200
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:37,679
» We don't have anything to do here.
>> Yeah, I think we're good.

1201
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:39,920
» Okay.
>> I think we're good.

1202
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:45,520
» Okay.
>> Okay. So, what's what's the next step?

1203
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:48,960
You need to get the create the deed, the
combined deed, and then go to the

1204
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:51,360
assessor with the combined deed, and you
should be

1205
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:54,159
» good. All set.
>> Do we have to have a motion or anything,

1206
01:57:52,880 --> 01:58:00,960
or you just
>> No,

1207
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:06,000
would compose a deed.
>> A lawyer, a surveyor.

1208
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:09,000
» Sure.
yourself.

1209
01:58:09,801 --> 01:58:14,159
[laughter]
>> You can do it yourself if you want to

1210
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:17,520
live with it. It wouldn't be depend how
they, you know, word it. I guess you

1211
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:22,639
know how a lawyer would word it. If they
were a surveyor says he's going to read

1212
01:58:19,679 --> 01:58:24,960
the the points for you, the boundaries
writing into

1213
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:31,400
» you'll just reaffirm the outside
boundaries.

1214
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:31,400
» Yeah. All the pins, everything is there.

1215
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:38,800
» Probably a surveyor, right? I don't
think it's a lawyer or say

1216
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:42,239
» someone that knows how to
>> describe the law.

1217
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,920
» Sure.
>> Okay.

1218
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:47,679
» We're not the experts.
>> All right.

1219
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,760
» In your court now,
>> but there's no issue with the planning

1220
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:55,280
board.
>> Okay. So, you guys are good. I'll get

1221
01:58:52,080 --> 01:59:01,440
with either a lawyer or a surveyor.
Everybody do the deed

1222
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:05,920
» and they register, I would assume.
>> And

1223
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:12,360
So I guess the item the results for us
is just that you that we're a

1224
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:12,360
responsible party here.

1225
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:18,119
It's up to him to get to a surveyor and
then go to the assessor.

1226
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:32,960
Okay.
>> All right. Anything else? No, we're

1227
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:35,599
good.
get it in before your next next

1228
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:40,280
assessment comes out.
>> Yeah, no kidding. My wife's asking

1229
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:48,040
me a thousand bucks and I'm sure I'll
pay that to a surveyor or a lawyer. So,

1230
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,320
» all right.
>> Cheap,

1231
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,360
» but
we're tired.

1232
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:59,119
» Y
>> every dime counts.

1233
01:59:56,719 --> 02:00:07,440
» All right, guys. How about you?
Okay. So, the minutes uh is an open item

1234
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:10,960
for next meeting. The last item is um
>> Oh, what town is it?

1235
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:15,199
» Multi- town discussion of shed is
>> Yeah, let me open the email. Actually,

1236
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:17,280
did I send you the letter
>> email? You didn't print that out, did

1237
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:24,000
we?
>> Let me open it up. Um Mary can't think

1238
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:27,560
her last name over in
next town over.

1239
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:36,880
Winston
um is thinking that it'd be good for the

1240
02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:42,719
lo like adjacent towns to have a
discussion of issues in their towns. Uh

1241
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:48,480
cell towers um they want to talk about
housing and she's invited us if we care

1242
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:54,560
to attend. Also the ordinance review
committee

1243
02:00:50,080 --> 02:01:02,360
um and the meeting is on October the
1st.

1244
02:00:56,719 --> 02:01:02,360
Yeah. if you know people want to go. Um

1245
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:10,320
Mary, okay, here it is right here.
Maryanne Haye

1246
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:15,440
um Intertown meeting October 1st at
Sterling Hall

1247
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:18,800
and um
>> Oops. Can you just forward that?

1248
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:23,920
» Yeah, I can forward the email. It's 6
PM. They're talking about serving pizza

1249
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:27,440
and other food. Again, there's no
requirement for us to be there, but it's

1250
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:31,040
if just to talk.
>> K.

1251
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:34,320
» Hey. H A Y
E.

1252
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:37,520
» Yeah. Hi.
>> Sorry.

1253
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:39,040
» Maryanne.
>> Mary.

1254
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:41,280
» Mary.
>> Mary.

1255
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:45,360
» An
>> to their what's what meeting they're

1256
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:50,159
having at night?
>> There. It's to just bring planning

1257
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:55,119
boards and ordinance review committees
together to talk about issues in their

1258
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:59,159
towns to say, you know, to share notes
and ideas, concerns.

1259
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:04,040
» Yep. And so grand

1260
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:15,199
» um so grandfather's house
>> on the hill.

1261
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:17,840
» I'll forward the meeting to everyone. If
you're interested in going, let me know

1262
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:21,159
so I can just let her know how many
people are coming.

1263
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:26,119
» Yeah, I'll send an email to everyone.

1264
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:36,239
So, it's time for a motion to close this
thing. Make a motion.

1265
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:43,719
» All in favor?
>> All in favor of closing.

1266
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:43,719
» I make a motion to close. Second.

1267
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:54,480
» I had a bunch of people talk to me from
the lake

1268
02:02:52,000 --> 02:03:00,320
» and I said, I'm not going to represent
other people. It's not my place as

1269
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:04,320
chair. I said write an email a letter or
come to the meetings.

1270
02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:07,320
Have you got any emails or letters?
>> No.

1271
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:12,159
» You know, it's kind of I don't know if
it's going to be contentious.

1272
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:16,880
» I think
take a reasonable distance.

1273
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:21,679
» Go to every household, mail a survey to
every household. What do you think?

1274
02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:26,960
» Yeah.
Unfortunately, our process

1275
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:29,760
we we put public notice out.
>> I'll be honest. I I don't want to see

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190 foot tower.
>> I know. But there's no opposition.

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» Oh, there was opposition.
>> Well, what?

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» Oh, yeah.
>> And uh I have concerns. I want to see

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them. They have to prove that there's a
need.

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» I want to see what
>> And we need to hire find an RF person to

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go in.
>> You're right about the reception. It

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might be there.
>> Oh, it's there. I did the test today.

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They're they're playing a little bit of
the game. The other game they're playing

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is they have to have a licensed carrier
to build the tower.

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They're the licensed carrier. They're
going to do um some sort of

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» two-way radio
>> two-way radio for but when I asked them,

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well, did the adjacent towers have the
two-way radios? So they No, they

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wouldn't answer the question. You
>> got used to recording? No,

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» I shut the recording off. Heard
>> something repeating.