[0:02] Thank you.
[0:10] » It's running late. We're going to
open
[0:22] now.
7:14 cell tower up. Jonathan, is it you
[0:28] or Kevin that's gonna
[0:44] » I can hear you. You seem to be buffering
a little bit, but I can hear you.
[0:50] Can you hear me?
[0:54] » I can. Yeah, I can hear you, Kevin. I
I'm not really sure what's going on with
[0:58] their Wi-Fi there because they do have
fiber optic. Um I am hearing the
[1:02] buffering as well.
>> Okay. It's not just me. Okay. That's
[1:05] what I was worried about.
>> Yeah, I think you and I are good.
[1:08] » Okay.
>> Um
[1:11] let me see
if I can swap them a second to the
[1:18] the doctor shop secure one.
Hang on.
[1:24] See if that makes a difference here.
[1:36] Um,
[1:40] Brenda, I just sent the the other Wi-Fi
and the password
[1:46] if you want to try and swap it a second.
Obviously, the meeting will cut out very
[1:51] briefly, but I'm hoping that that'll
give you a more secure connection
[1:57] cuz I don't know why this one is is
being spotty, but it is.
[2:47] All right. It looks like it's swapped
over. Um
[2:51] I don't know.
>> Now it's coming up with an unstable.
[2:58] » Okay. It It's more stable on my end now
than it was before. I don't know about
[3:03] Kevin.
>> It's clear. Yeah, much better.
[3:06] » Yeah. So, I think I think this might be
better. Um,
[3:15] and Remy, shouldn't they be able to have
the audio on the owl?
[3:20] » Um, yes. But if the owl can't be unmuted
for whatever reason, um,
[3:28] I don't know off hand. I I always just
figure it out when I'm there. I don't
[3:32] know offhand how to do it. All right.
Well, we'll try to have everyone here.
[3:36] So, Kevin, if you'd like to give a brief
overview of the project for the
[3:42] audience.
>> Sure, no problem. Um, could I um could
[3:47] you give me permission to share the
screen and I can put up a PowerPoint
[3:51] presentation um that everyone can follow
along with?
[4:08] You should have a hearing now.
>> Okay, perfect.
[4:14] Just give me one minute.
[4:27] Okay. Can you um
can you see my screen now?
[4:31] » Yes.
>> Okay, perfect. Um
[4:38] so, first of all, thank you um Mr.
Chairman and members of the board. Uh my
[4:42] name is Kevin Delaney and I'm the u vice
president of site acquisition and
[4:47] development for Industrial Tower and
Wireless. And um we just again want to
[4:53] thank you for the opportunity to present
this application tonight. Uh we have a a
[4:58] PowerPoint presentation that we'd like
to go through. Um we're going to be
[5:03] discussing the proposed uh facility. Um
the wireless coverage need for this area
[5:10] and h how we're seeking to address it
and the site selection process and the
[5:15] proposed design. So, what we're seeking
tonight for is a site plan review uh to
[5:22] construct a 190 foot lattice
telecommunications facility and it's
[5:26] intended to improve wireless coverage
along Route 41 and the surrounding
[5:31] areas. So, as shown on this map, our
proposal is located on the east side of
[5:36] Route 41, which is also known as 1486
Pond Road. Uh the property is identified
[5:44] on the town assessor's map as map Hold
on, Kevin. We have the audience having a
[5:48] hard time hearing. Let me see if we can
get the owl going.
[5:50] » Okay, we're all
>> No worries.
[6:13] No, go back there.
[6:18] » Drag that all the way to the edge.
>> But can we pick the
[6:23] » big the biggest thing is there there
should be a button on the owl itself
[6:28] that has it. It's like a little mute
button somewhere down near the base
[6:35] and when you touch it, it should unmute.
But
[6:39] » it's the speaker that we want,
>> right?
[6:43] And um
>> and then you you would change the audio
[6:47] output option to the select a speaker
option to the output
[6:59] » audio. Go.
[7:11] Randy, you brought up audio before.
[7:20] » Bluetooth devices
system.
[7:26] » There you go.
>> Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you.
[7:29] We're gonna try to get to
>> volume is at 100%.
[7:32] » Yep. I'm just I'm just trying to talk so
you can see if it's coming through the
[7:35] owl yet or not.
>> It's not. It's keeps going to her
[7:38] speaker even though the owl is
connected.
[7:44] » Um,
is there just the one cord that runs to
[7:48] the owl? I can't remember if there's
two.
[7:51] » Yes. Okay.
[7:58] do what you said to me. If you didn't
[8:04] with that
[8:18] right here.
[8:44] » Still coming through the computer. Yeah,
even though the owl is selected.
[8:52] » Let me I'm going to unplug the owl. Put
it back in.
[8:56] » Okay,
[8:59] » she's still Yeah, she's
[9:10] » uh Remy, can you say something?
>> Yep. How's it going?
[9:13] » No.
>> Yeah, that's coming through the owl,
[9:15] right? No,
>> it wasn't.
[9:17] » No, it's through here.
>> Okay.
[9:21] » This is now red.
[9:32] » Um, when you click on the little audio
part at the bottom
[9:37] or the um like the up carrot at the
bottom part, does it say leave computer
[9:41] audio?
[9:46] the computer on the or the
[9:50] » when you're in Zoom and you clip the
little up carrot next to audio down
[9:54] towards the bottom of the options.
>> We're not using we're not using the zoom
[9:58] control, but you talk about zoom on
Brenda's machine.
[10:02] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Let's try it
[10:06] » in zoom on Brenda.
[10:12] printer's machine.
>> Okay, here's the problem. I got it right
[10:15] here.
>> Say something now.
[10:18] » Yep.
>> There.
[10:19] » Yep.
>> All right. That better?
[10:22] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[10:23] » Sorry, Kevin. You can start.
>> Okay. Yeah, no problem. You can hear me
[10:26] loud and clear now.
>> Oh, more than that.
[10:29] » Can you turn back on the video now,
Keith, too?
[10:41] » Thank you. Yeah.
[10:46] » All right. Yeah, we should be all set
now. Here's your camera and everything.
[10:50] » Great. So, we're seeking a site plan
review to construct a 190 ft lattice
[10:55] tower uh intended to improve wireless
coverage along Route 141 and the
[11:00] surrounding area. So, as shown on this
map, our proposal is located on the east
[11:04] side of Route 41, which is also known as
1486 Pond Road. The property is
[11:10] identified on town assessor's map as map
10 and lot 13 and the property is a 5.4
[11:16] acre lot and it's within the limited
commercial district. Uh this is a
[11:20] picture of the property itself using
Google Earth. Um so we're going to have
[11:26] a proposed driveway which is
approximately 260 ft in length. I'm not
[11:32] sure if you can see my uh my mouse
pointer or not. Uh, but this is the
[11:37] proposed driveway to the site. It'll be
260 feet in length and it'll be 12 feet
[11:44] in width and it's going to be all within
a 25 foot wide access and utility
[11:51] easement.
Now, with the exception of one utility
[11:55] pole located at the entrance, um, all
the utilities are proposed to be
[12:00] underground from that point all the way
to the tower site. Um we have um minimal
[12:07] changes to the grade of the property are
being proposed and when it comes to
[12:11] traffic flow to the site uh once it's
constructed and operational it's likely
[12:16] going to see about two to maybe three
visits per month. It will really have no
[12:20] impact in the area as it's an unmanned
facility doesn't require any kind of
[12:25] sewer or water um or anything like that.
Uh now near the road uh there will be an
[12:31] access gate that will prevent um
unauthorized uh vehicles from entering
[12:36] the property.
Now our lease area as you can see here
[12:40] in this zoomedin image is a 100 ftx 100
ft area and that's a total of 10,000
[12:47] square ft. Now our actual compound that
we're proposing to construct within that
[12:53] lease area is an 80 foot by 80 foot uh
fenced in compound. Now, the fence
[12:59] proposed is an 8-ft high chain link
fence and it will have a 14 foot wide
[13:04] access gatement gate at the entrance. Uh
there's also going to be a hammerhead
[13:09] turnaround
>> at the uh entrance to the site of the
[13:12] compound.
>> Um now within the compound itself,
[13:16] there's going to be 6 in of 3/4 in crush
stone and the tower will be located in
[13:22] the center of the compound. That's the
triangle you see in the center. And then
[13:26] the equipment shelters will be located
surrounding the tower itself which is
[13:31] these boxes that you see here. Um
typically these these communication
[13:36] shelters are u they used to be 12x20
actual like concrete um shelters but
[13:43] most often now they're all outside
outdoor cabinets that are used. Um again
[13:49] the the tower proposed is a 190 foot
lattice style tower like the one that
[13:54] you see in the image here. And this is a
perfect example. This is one of our
[13:58] sites that we've um constructed already.
And as you can see the lease area that's
[14:04] cleared is this 100tx 100 ft square
area. And then the compound within that
[14:09] is the 80 foot by 80 foot fenced in
area. Again with the tower itself, the
[14:14] lattice style tower in the center of the
compound with the equipment shelters.
[14:18] surrounding it.
Uh this is an example of what it looks
[14:23] like at the the ground level of one of
our facilities.
[14:28] Now, uh your regulations require a fall
zone of 105% of the tower height, which
[14:34] is something that that we make. Um so
that would be 199 12 ft. And that's what
[14:40] this circle here represents
>> um within the property. So we meet that
[14:45] um fall zone radius that's required by
your town.
[14:52] Now the this is a a vertical profile of
what the the tower will look like. Um
[14:57] again it's 190 ft lattice style tower.
The antennas will be towards the top of
[15:02] the tower. Um this tower does not
require any kind of lighting uh from the
[15:07] FAA. Um we've as part of our package
we've submitted an FAA determination of
[15:12] no hazard. Um and that that
determination basically says that no
[15:17] lighting uh will be required for this
tower.
[15:22] And this next image is just examples of
lattice towers that um our company owns
[15:27] and and constructed uh various sites um
in in New Hampshire just to get an idea
[15:33] of exactly what they look like.
Um so next we're going to discuss the
[15:37] the propagation studies that are
associated with this site. Um it's
[15:42] important to note that tower sites are
not something that are selected by
[15:45] random. Rather tower sites are selected
based on ident identifying a need for
[15:50] coverage and then finding a suitable
site that meets wellestablished
[15:54] telecommunication sighting criteria. So
we don't pick a site that's just simply
[15:59] convenient. We have to first by begin
and identifying where uh service is
[16:04] being lost and then we use sophisticated
computer software and modeling to help
[16:08] us identify exactly where the coverage
gap is and where a suitable location um
[16:14] will be located to fill that coverage
gap. So after we identify a gap a search
[16:20] for a site is is begins and that's where
uh Jonathan um works hard to to find a
[16:26] suitable site. So things that he looks
for while he's looking for a site
[16:30] include uh constructability. Is the
site, you know, in an area that's
[16:34] constructible? Um is it available? Is
there a land owner who's willing to to
[16:39] sell or lease the property? Uh does it
meet zoning requirements? Um are there
[16:43] any wetlands in the area that we have to
be aware of and avoid? And we need to
[16:48] make sure that the site is uh available
for collocation capacity. So, this
[16:53] facility that we've proposed here is
proposed to eliminate a 3.7 mile deficit
[17:00] of wireless coverage along Route 41. And
so, I know you know your your town much
[17:05] better than I do, but of course, uh, m
the green line here identifies the town
[17:10] line. And of course, this is Mount
Vernon here in this area. We have
[17:14] Reedfield, uh, to the south and FET to
the west. And these red lines here um
[17:21] indicate state roads. So the red line
that I'm pointing to now is route 41.
[17:26] And then we have route 17 that goes
through Reedfield in Fyet. So the blue
[17:33] boxes that you see here are the existing
towers today that are in Mount Vernon or
[17:40] surrounding Mount Vernon by other towns.
So, we have an existing site to the
[17:44] north of our proposed tower and then we
have an existing site in Fyet to the
[17:49] west and an existing site in Reedfield
um to the south. And the coverage gap
[17:55] that we're looking to fill in is this
area here. Um the yellow signal [snorts]
[18:02] or the yellow color represents
inbuilding uh signal strength and the
[18:08] light blue or the cyan color represents
invehicle uh coverage. So if you're
[18:14] driving along Route 41 and you're you're
within the yellow or the the cyan color,
[18:20] you're able to make a call. If you're in
the white area, uh anywhere in the white
[18:25] area, you'll either drop the call um or
it'll be unreliable service where you
[18:29] won't be able to make a data connection
or your your your service will go in and
[18:33] out and you won't be able to uh to hold
a call reliably. So, this is the
[18:38] coverage gap that I I mentioned earlier.
>> Um Kevin, a question this coverage gap.
[18:45] » Uh excuse me.
>> Can I ask a question about the coverage
[18:47] gap? The colors. Sure. the levels I did
a little research and it seems like
[18:53] these are for quote a good signal where
fair most likely would work. Is there a
[19:01] reason that you didn't pick like four
different levels of colors to show where
[19:06] people probably already get coverage? I
live in the area that supposedly doesn't
[19:09] have coverage on this map and I get
great coverage. So
[19:14] I think it would help describe why you
selected the what is it 84 and 87 dB.
[19:20] » Yeah. Yeah. They they represent
inbuilding coverage. So the yellow
[19:23] represents that inbuilding signal. So
although you you may be able to make um
[19:28] your your phone call outside of you know
outside of your home. The yellow rep
[19:34] actually represents strong signal
strength that will penetrate um a
[19:38] building or a home to give you the the
coverage you need. Um the blue
[19:42] represents invehicle coverage. Um and
anything less than that um is weaker
[19:48] coverage. If you're not in a vehicle,
you know, the coverage may get a little
[19:52] better than that. Um but I, you know,
I've tested the these maps and I've
[19:56] driven this area and um I found it very
reliable along Route I'm not sure where
[20:01] you live um but along Route 41 I found
it very accurate.
[20:06] Yeah, I live on to and the north end of
Tory northeast side and in my house I
[20:12] still get signal strength.
>> Okay. So, are you are you in this? Can
[20:16] you see my pointer?
>> Kind of. Yeah.
[20:20] » Are you in that this area where I'm
pointing right now?
[20:24] » Look here. Go
to the where torsy actually starts to
[20:30] neck down.
>> Uh okay. Like this. So, so this area,
[20:37] » yeah, I can't tell you where you are,
but it's still a white area.
[20:40] » Okay. And
>> well, again, it's it's it's not going to
[20:43] be 100%. It is a prediction map, but it
it does show some coverage in that area
[20:48] you're describing. Uh maybe you're just
outside of it. I'm not sure. But, um,
[20:52] you know, it's a it's a prediction map.
It's not going to be 100%, but it's it's
[20:56] it's relatively, you know, it's it's
fairly accurate. And this is, you know,
[21:01] the criteria
that's used to identify coverage gaps.
[21:07] » There's a question in the audience.
>> I don't know if you want me to go
[21:11] through the presentation completely.
>> Start over. I think while the coverage
[21:16] map is up, I think if there's a question
about the coverage map, it probably time
[21:20] to have it so we don't forget.
>> Okay.
[21:25] I get 53 inside.
[21:42] » So you're when you say behind you're
east of the
[21:50] » behind to the east.
[22:01] Okay, I guess keep going, Kevin.
>> Okay. Sorry, I couldn't really hear what
[22:05] he was saying. So,
>> he says that he has he lives 100 feet
[22:08] from where the tower is proposed and he
still gets great 5G signals.
[22:13] » Okay. Um
Okay. Okay. So, so this is the um
[22:18] existing coverage today and then um with
our proposed site, this is the how we
[22:23] would fill in the coverage gap. So, you
can see the the white area in the area
[22:29] where this poor signal strength is
completely filled in now with with
[22:32] reliable service.
Um and so I was asked um by by the
[22:38] chairman to run various heights. Um so
you could see the the variation level um
[22:44] at these different heights. So we this
is our proposed height at 190 ft and
[22:49] then this is what it looks like at 150
ft. And you can see some of the outlying
[22:53] areas start to develop more of a
coverage gap where we lose, you know, in
[22:57] the handoff potential. And then as we go
down in height to 130 and then 110, you
[23:04] see where you'll still lose coverage
along Route 141 and you won't have that
[23:09] seamless coverage.
Um and then uh next was the um
[23:15] photographic simulations, the photo sims
that we did. We um had conducted a uh
[23:20] balloon test on July 7th. Um, we had a
third-party company um called Virtual
[23:27] Sight Solutions and we flew a balloon
again on July 7th from 8:00 a.m. to
[23:32] 12:00 p.m. Uh, now the balloon was 3 and
1/2 ft in diameter and it was bright red
[23:39] and they went out 2 miles to capture
locations where the balloon was visible
[23:42] from and then simulated a tower at that
location if the balloon was visible from
[23:47] there. So, these pictures are taken from
public areas. at no point did they um
[23:53] access any private property if they
didn't have permission. So this balloon
[23:57] test was also advertised in the local
newspaper. And so the colors that you
[24:01] see on your map here um the green
represents where it is visible from and
[24:07] the red indicates that it is not visible
from that location. So it's it's um it's
[24:13] 42 locations. So, I'll I'll go through
them, but just so you understand, um,
[24:18] the order that I'm going to show these
pictures is based on the distance from
[24:22] the proposed site. So, um, it may seem
like we're jumping around from, you
[24:27] know, different roads and areas, but
it's based on the distance from the
[24:31] proposed site. So, that's why it's it is
the way it is. So, our first location is
[24:37] um 413 feet just north of the site on
Route 41. And that is um you can see the
[24:45] balloon located right here. And this is
a picture taken from Route 41 of what
[24:50] how it would be visible from that
location.
[24:53] Uh picture two is taken uh from Pine
Grove Road. Um and the top of the tower
[25:01] is visible. You can see the balloon
right here and the top of the tower is
[25:06] visible through the trees uh there.
>> Which road is this?
[25:10] » Picture three is taken from uh Potter
Lane and this is uh 0.18 miles away and
[25:17] at that point it is not visible at all.
Uh picture four is taken off of Pond
[25:24] Road um on Debbie's Road uh in front of
the Down East Energy Propane Company.
[25:30] And we see the top is visible um from
from this area on Debby's uh road.
[25:39] Uh picture five is taken um at the end
of Pine Grove Road. Uh it's 21 miles
[25:46] away and it's not visible from that
location.
[25:50] Uh photograph six is taken from Breezy
Acres and the ball bloom was not visible
[25:57] from that that area.
Uh, picture seven, which you can see
[26:02] here, was taken uh, further south on
Pawn Road and the balloon was not
[26:06] visible from this area. It's 32 miles
away from the proposed site.
[26:11] Uh, picture 8 is taken uh, north of the
site um, on Route 41 at the intersection
[26:18] of Five Seasons Road and it is um, uh,
it is uh, slightly visible through the
[26:26] trees here. If you can see that it was
just barely visible through the top. Uh
[26:32] picture nine was taken further east on
Five Seasons Road. Now this is about 045
[26:37] miles away and it's not visible from
that location. Uh picture 10 was taken
[26:44] on um further south on Route 41 near the
town line and this is just a little over
[26:50] half a mile away and it wasn't visible
from that location. Picture 11 was taken
[26:56] east, further east on Five Season Road
and the balloon was not visible from
[27:01] that area.
Picture 12 was taken on Pond Road north
[27:06] of the site and the balloon was was not
visible from this area. Uh, picture 13
[27:12] was taken at the intersection of Pond
Road and Davies Lane in Reedfield and it
[27:16] was visible from this area as you can
see um going back and forth. The balloon
[27:22] is right here. And that's what it looks
like with the tower simulated into the
[27:27] picture.
Uh, picture 14 was taken on Desert Pond
[27:32] Road uh, a little over a mile away and
not visible from that location. Uh,
[27:37] picture 15 was taken uh, off of a
Chimney Road and that was u, excuse me,
[27:43] further south on um, Route 41 and it was
uh, visible from that location. And you
[27:49] see by the trees over here, you can just
see it, the balloon. And that's what the
[27:53] tower looks like in this area right
here.
[27:57] Uh, picture 16 is about 1.18 miles away,
taken from Weston Road, and it was not
[28:03] visible from that location. Picture 17
was taken from Desert Pond Road, 1.27
[28:10] miles away, and it wasn't visible from
that location. Picture 18 was taken
[28:15] further north on Route 41 and not
visible from that location.
[28:20] Picture 19 was taken from Weston Road,
1.43 miles away, and it was not visible
[28:26] from that location. Uh, picture 20 was
taken from Chase Road and it wasn't
[28:32] visible from that location. Uh, picture
21 was taken from Lake Road and it was
[28:38] not visible from that location either.
Uh, picture 22 was taken from Desert
[28:44] Pond Road and this is a mile and a half
away and it is visible through the um
[28:49] the the trees here because it's a wide
air open area and you can see the tower
[28:54] if I go back and forth a simulation of
the tower. Um, the top of the tower is
[28:58] visible from this area and that's 1.51
miles away. And then picture 23 was
[29:04] taken from Pond Road, not visible from
that location. Uh 24, another location
[29:09] on Echo Lake Road, 1.62 miles away, not
visible from that location. Uh picture
[29:16] 25 was taken uh further south on Route
41, and it's not visible from that
[29:22] location. Uh picture 26 was taken on
Echol Lake Road as well, 1.69 miles
[29:30] away, and it's not visible from that
location. Uh, picture 27 was taken on
[29:35] Chase Road and it wasn't visible from
that location. Picture 28 was taken from
[29:43] 41, 1.7 miles away, and it wasn't
visible from that area of town or that
[29:48] location.
Uh, picture 29 was taken from Reedfield
[29:53] on Main Street, 1.73 miles away, and it
was visible from that location because
[29:58] it's a wide open area with the
cornfields there. And you can see the
[30:02] photo simulation of the tower.
Uh, picture 30 was um taken from um
[30:10] further down on Main Street in Reedfield
and in that area it was not visible.
[30:17] Picture 31 was taken um at Echo Lake
1.74 miles away and it was visible from
[30:24] that location. You can see the tower uh
photo simulation here. Uh picture 32 was
[30:31] taken from uh route it's F FR17-1
which is off of Main Street 1.75 miles
[30:39] away and it's open but it was uh not
visible from that location.
[30:44] Uh picture 33 off of Main Street in
Reedfield was 1.75 miles away and it was
[30:50] not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 34 was taken on N road 1.78
[30:57] miles away and it was not visible from
that location. Uh, picture 35 was taken
[31:03] for another area on Main Street 1.78
miles away and it is visible from this
[31:09] location as you can see in the photo
simulation here. Uh, picture 36 was
[31:15] taken off of Echol Lake Road 1.78 miles
away and not visible from that location.
[31:22] Uh, picture 37 was taken off of, uh,
Chimney Road, 1.79 miles away, and it
[31:29] was not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 38 was another location off of
[31:35] Echol Lake Road, 1.85 miles away, and it
was visible from that location. As you
[31:40] can see, once you get that to that
distance, it's hard to make out what it
[31:43] is, but you can see that there's a tower
there. Uh, picture 39 off Point Drive um
[31:50] was not visible from that location. Uh,
picture 40 was taken off of Church Road
[31:57] and it was uh not visible from that
location either. Um, then picture 41 was
[32:02] taken from another point of off of Echo
Lake Road or Echo Road and it was not
[32:07] visible from there.
Uh, picture 42 was taken off of Main
[32:13] Street at another location just a little
over two miles away and it was not
[32:16] visible from from that location. So, the
reason why we we go through these maps
[32:21] is just to give you a general idea of
visibility. Um, we would like to make
[32:26] these sites completely invisible. Um,
fortunately it's not possible. But if
[32:31] you look at the just the the green and
the reds, it's it's
[32:35] » less visible than more than visible. um
because of the tree cover in the area.
[32:42] Um you know just uh briefly about
Industrial Tower and Wireless. We've
[32:47] been in the business for uh 50 years.
Um, we take pride in our work and we
[32:52] have our own crews who do everything
from the electrical and utility work at
[32:56] the sites um to the foundation and
excavation and concrete work um to um
[33:04] actually erecting the tower themselves
and and putting the antennas on the
[33:08] tower. That's that's all done internally
with our crews. Um, and we also do
[33:13] special projects like uh this is nothing
like we're proposing here, but this is
[33:17] just an example of a site that we own in
West Bridgewater, Massachusetts, where
[33:22] we had to put a um an antenna on top of
the tower. This is a broadcast tower, so
[33:27] we needed to use a helicopter to be able
to install this this antenna up there.
[33:31] We also take pride in how our sites work
look. Um, we have our own landscaping
[33:36] and maintenance crews who come around
and and and make sure that they're they
[33:40] look good. They cut the lawn when the
lawn needs to be cut and they make sure
[33:43] that everything's maintained um the way
that that it should be. So, all this to
[33:48] say that we just we take pride in in in
our sites and how they look and um you
[33:53] know, we're a local company whereas
we're out of New England. Again, we're
[33:58] our our main headquarters is based in
Massachusetts, and we have uh another uh
[34:02] office and and warehouse and crew that
that works out of a a comp our New
[34:07] Hampshire branch as well that would
likely uh service this site. So, we
[34:13] appreciate the opportunity to um you
know, present this to you and be happy
[34:17] to answer any questions you might have
either myself or or Jonathan. We have
[34:21] Kristen on as well.
Uh, one thing, Kevin, I'd like to Can
[34:25] you go back to one of the map pictures?
Doesn't matter which one. Just go to the
[34:29] the overview of the map
>> of the photo simulations.
[34:33] » Yes, please.
>> Yep.
[34:36] » Yeah. Um, one thing you don't show and I
highlighted this last meeting I took
[34:40] pictures that the eastern shore most of
the eastern shore of the main bay of
[34:45] Torsy will have a direct view of about
120 ft of the antenna stick above the
[34:52] western ridge western side of the
>> I personally during the balloon test I
[34:58] had driven down the road um that that
that leads to that area and it's heavily
[35:04] treed. I I couldn't I couldn't
[clears throat] see anything from the
[35:07] the road. I don't I can look up the
road. I don't have it in front of me
[35:10] which it was, but whatever road runs
along here. And honestly, I couldn't see
[35:14] anything. There was a public beach area
that I stopped at where it wasn't
[35:17] visible from.
>> Um but, you know, if there's houses
[35:20] there that, you know, I I obviously I
couldn't, you know, get in front of
[35:24] those houses to see the the wateride to
see what the visibility was. Um, but I I
[35:30] I I'll take your word for it, but I
couldn't personally see it when I um
[35:34] when I drove that road.
>> Yeah, it'll have to be have to be on in
[35:39] the people's houses or on their docks.
But
[35:42] » it's very visible. I took pictures and I
think we talked about that you don't
[35:46] can't do a photo simulation of the
pictures that I took.
[35:50] » Right. Right.
>> November when there's no
[35:54] trees.
It will be a little bit more.
[36:00] » Yeah.
>> About the construction piece of it.
[36:05] » Okay. Can you hear him? We have someone
in the public asking for construction
[36:10] details
>> or a comment.
[36:12] » How does how does the construction of
the esavation and concrete and I assume
[36:17] you're going to have to drill on the
ledge there to secure the tower. How
[36:20] does that how does that affect my well
that's downhill from that site 100 yards
[36:26] downhill from that site. How does that
affect my water quality?
[36:30] » So it shouldn't affect it. I I'm sorry.
I did hear him. Um he was asking about
[36:35] how it would affect his well. Um that's
100 was it 100 yards away? Is that what
[36:39] I heard?
>> 100 feet.
[36:41] » 100 feet away. Um
>> well there shouldn't be any well 100
[36:45] feet away. We that's on our property is
But how deep the foundation going to be?
[36:53] » Yeah, so the foundation will be about 8
feet. We'll do a geotech report that
[36:56] will um you know, see exactly the the
size and and and confirm that, but
[37:01] typically they're between you know, six
and 8 ft. And you know, we've built
[37:06] these close to to homes with with wells
and um there's been been no issues
[37:11] whatsoever.
And if there was an issue, we would take
[37:15] care of it.
>> But we've never come across any problems
[37:18] like that. Any
[37:22] other questions? Let me pull up.
>> Are there other any other sites that
[37:26] they looked at?
>> Kevin, can you hear that question?
[37:31] » Um, did she ask about other sites that
we looked at?
[37:34] » Yes.
>> Yes. So, we in our application package,
[37:39] see
what
[37:42] we did alternative site analysis. um
that's in tab eight if you have the
[37:47] package in front of you which shows two
which shows the sites that we looked at
[37:55] to provide coverage to this gap. So, it
was a total of 10. Um, and and that's
[38:00] something that that that Jonathan
McNeel, he he's actually the person who
[38:04] looked at these sites, and he'd be able
to address those specifically if anybody
[38:07] has any questions. But we did look at 10
other sites
[38:11] » sites
>> and how did we decide this site
[38:18] » versus the other site?
>> Um, well, so we have to measure the
[38:21] distance between the difference between
providing coverage to the gap. So, it
[38:25] needs to be within this this general
area. Um, so the other sites that we
[38:30] looked at, um, the the land owners were
were not interested in in doing any kind
[38:35] of of deal, um, or we couldn't agree on
on a location. But I'll let Jonathan, if
[38:40] you want to speak to that specifically
since you were the person um, doing that
[38:44] work. Yeah, I mean as Kevin says, you
have to have a worldling less or um and
[38:51] we try to find locations that have
sufficient area space.
[38:57] They have to meet the zoning
requirements and there's there's a
[39:02] couple properties in the limited
commercial area. Um but uh this was the
[39:07] only property that had a willing less
north.
[39:14] So the self that you guys would be
paying the owners of that property like
[39:19] a monthly fee or for as long as there
[39:37] » well my other big question is how does
this affect my property value if I were
[39:41] to sell my house someone buying it. I
wouldn't want to purchase a house
[39:45] looking at a 200 foot cell tower in the
front yard. So, that's going to kill my
[39:50] property.
[39:53] » I mean, I think we still need to um deal
with the issue that you're asking for a
[39:58] variance. Our ordinance says a tower no
greater than 100 ft. Um I still want to
[40:06] see more data. You went down to 110, but
my research seems to indicate and based
[40:12] on my testing around my place.
Your map seems to be for quote a good
[40:20] signal where in most locations a fair
probably would work. They may get lower
[40:25] data rates.
So I think we need to still review this
[40:30] further of why we need that tall of a
tower.
[40:38] Yeah, I mean
you we're not require we're not
[40:41] requesting a variance at all for this
site. Your your bylaw does allow up to
[40:45] 190 ft. Um I I provided coverage.
>> Excuse me.
[40:51] It allows it if it you shows that it's a
significant uh I'll have to look at the
[40:57] verbiage but basically anything less
than 100 ft the ordinance allows you to
[41:03] do but greater than that you have to
show that um there's a significant
[41:08] performance degradation by maintaining
that 100 foot or lower height.
[41:16] » Yeah. the so we're proposing you 190
foot tower that's that that is accurate
[41:21] and we did show the difference the
variations
[41:24] » in the the lower heights um it'll come
at a cost unfortunately I mean we can we
[41:29] build something less than 190 ft yes we
can um but it'll come at a cost of not
[41:35] having the seamless coverage um you know
along Route 41 and along Route 17 um you
[41:42] know if we were to reduce the height
down to 170 ft. Um, we could provide
[41:49] similar coverage, but you need to
remember that there's multiple carriers
[41:53] that use these sites and they require 10
ft of vertical separation between their
[41:58] antennas. So, when you um it may work
for the the top mounted
[42:04] carrier at 170 ft, but you have to
remember that there's also going to be
[42:09] another carrier who's going to be down
at 140 ft. and that's where it starts at
[42:13] a degrade for the the various carriers.
So, we're trying to provide
[42:19] we're trying to provide a solution at a
height that will provide coverage for
[42:23] all the carriers.
>> There's nothing that can be added to the
[42:28] power that's on Elmer Elvin's property
on Kent Hill or the power on Blake Hill.
[42:33] That's
>> two miles. They're within two miles.
[42:38] » We're 3.4 miles away from that site. Did
you get feedback from the you sent
[42:43] letters to both tower owners? Did
>> we sent them to all the the tower owners
[42:48] surrounding uh the area and we had no
feedback.
[42:51] » No, I'm hearing that people on the
planning board earlier mentioned that
[42:56] last meeting you mentioned that the
tower to the north on Lake Hill Road
[43:01] doesn't have antennas on it now or maybe
limited antennas. Is that true?
[43:06] » It does have antennas on that tower. I
don't I think might have been misqued. I
[43:10] I if I said that that's not what I
meant. It It does have antennas on it.
[43:15] » Cell phone.
Are they cell phone antenna?
[43:19] » Correct.
>> Correct.
[43:24] » Can I ask a question?
>> Sure.
[43:26] » Yeah. Do you have any pictures of when
the foliage is
[43:29] » Can you Can you see this picture here
on my screen?
[43:34] » Yep.
>> Okay. So, that's that is that tower and
[43:37] that's the antennas on the tower there.
There you can see the arrays.
[43:42] » Uh
I see a picture of trees and a lake. Is
[43:46] there a tower in there?
>> Let me uh let me stop and try to share a
[43:50] different screen then. Hold on.
[43:56] How about how about now? Do you see a
tower in that image?
[43:59] » Uh nothing really. Oh
>> yeah.
[44:01] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. This is the tower that
[44:04] you're you're speaking of with and there
are antenna arrays on that tower.
[44:15] And they don't provide coverage down to
Route 41.
[44:19] » No, there it's it's uh it's 3.4 miles
away and it's just too far away with the
[44:24] the terrain and topography and foliage
to to penetrate that area.
[44:30] I can talk on the my house all the way
to Mount Vernon Village that I
[44:35] » I think we still need to get better heat
maps because my research the uh decibel
[44:43] uh range that you picked is considered a
good signal. Calls work well and data is
[44:48] fast. 91 to 100 dBm um fair signal calls
work but data may be slow down.
[44:56] Um I'm actually in the next zone down in
my house and I still get calls through
[45:02] and data um is much slower. So I think
we need a better map showing maybe four
[45:11] different colors for these ranges to
really show what the gaps the real
[45:16] critical gaps are.
>> Sure. I I can add I can add some signal
[45:21] strength levels to the um to the maps
and present that.
[45:26] » Also, do you have any pictures of when
the foliage is gone?
[45:33] » Um, no. I When the foliage is gone of
what the
[45:38] » the site,
>> right? Don't you think that would show?
[45:43] » I don't.
Can we direct the questions forward,
[45:48] please?
[45:57] » Uh Kevin, do you think don't you think
the towers will show a little bit more
[46:00] when the foliage is gone?
>> Um it'll be it'll be it'll be slightly
[46:07] more visible in certain locations, but
um you know that the tower itself is
[46:12] gray. the t the trees off season
everything is kind of gray when it's
[46:16] winter time and it still blends in
fairly well.
[46:23] » There going to be like a town or this?
>> It's up to the planning board.
[46:40] Any other questions from anyone?
>> We're just talking about the pitches.
[46:44] » No. Any questions on this application?
>> What's a reception reception at camp?
[46:51] » Do you know? I don't
>> I'm sorry. I I didn't catch that. I
[46:55] heard the reception, but I didn't hear
the location.
[46:57] » Campalo.
[47:00] » Is that Is that the property to the
north?
[47:04] » Yes.
>> Yes. Northwest
[47:09] » that's in the town of um Mount Vernon.
>> Yes.
[47:13] » Yes.
>> That's on the northeast side of Elay
[47:18] just beyond the desert road from this.
>> Okay. It it's it's it's poor there.
[47:27] The coverage is poor at that camp.
That's you know one of the areas we're
[47:31] looking to provide some good service to.
[47:38] We wouldn't have talked about this, but
proof of financial capacity. Have you?
[47:43] » Yes, they uh we got a letter from plans.
>> Okay.
[47:49] Reading the ordinance.
It says proof of financial capacity. The
[47:53] bill maintain the proposed PWSF must be
submitted. But uh it doesn't talk about
[48:02] uh bankruptcy.
>> Um in there I think we require that uh
[48:09] it's a bond is assumed you probably know
it's a shity bond for the disassembly of
[48:15] a tower.
>> Right.
[48:17] » Right. And that's standard practice for
most sites that we would
[48:22] » this
[48:32] a copy of that.
We have a copy of the financial ability
[48:39] to maintain and put it in.
But that would be a requirement in our
[48:43] if this got approved that would be
condition of approval that they um I
[48:49] guess create a bond which is a standard
thing for a lot of these projects.
[48:56] I'm not an expert on it so I don't know
exactly how it works.
[49:01] Do we know if these towers make noise or
anything?
[49:05] Vibrations or
>> any radiation from it
[49:10] out in field question.
>> Kevin, you want to talk about noise and
[49:16] then RF radiation? I think you submitted
data to it. I I think you should answer
[49:21] the question.
>> Sure. Sorry. I I could I couldn't hear
[49:23] the question that was asked before, but
as far as noise, the tower itself makes
[49:27] no noise um at all. Um as far as the um
RF EMF electromagnetic um force that
[49:37] that we did provide a study um that
basically explains that you know if this
[49:43] tower were completely loaded with um all
the wireless carriers operating at the
[49:48] maximum power that they're licensed to
do which is way more than they actually
[49:52] ever operate at that even if and they're
all full power all at the same time it
[49:58] would be less less than 11% of what the
uh maximum permissible exposure level
[50:04] that the FCC allows for. So the FCC
governs this and they allow for a
[50:09] certain amount of of power and if it
goes beyond that then that's when we
[50:13] would have to file some uh special
studies. But what we're doing is 11% of
[50:19] what's allowed. So it's well below the
threshold um that the FCC permits.
[50:30] I'm sure you guys did like a wildwood
study too, right? I don't have any of
[50:34] the reports in front of me, so that's
why I'm asking.
[50:40] No impact on like birds or deer.
[50:47] » We do environmental infection.
[51:00] So I think I heard something about
worried about like wildlife. Is that is
[51:04] that correct?
>> Yes.
[51:05] » Okay. So so that is another part of the
process that we have to file with um we
[51:11] have to comply with NEPA guidelines and
I think the NEPA report was filed with
[51:15] the town. You should have a copy of it.
But there's basically eight criteria
[51:19] that that governs that. Um the first one
is if it's in a wilderness or wildlife
[51:24] area um you know that which we're not um
that could be an issue. Um if we affect
[51:30] any kind of endangered species in
critical habitat um which we do not um
[51:36] and we've provided the studies that
explain that. Um we also do not um have
[51:41] an any effect on historical sites in the
area. Um we're not in in a flood plane
[51:48] um which is another aspect of it. um we
don't affect any features like wetlands
[51:52] or surface features and um and we comply
with um the lighting aspect because the
[51:59] tower will not be lit. So that's the
criteria of the environmental
[52:02] assessment. But I think what I heard was
the concern about endangered species and
[52:06] critical habitats and we've provided a
study that that that comments that we do
[52:10] not our site as proposed will not affect
that.
[52:15] » And just for the board, this is Kristen
speaking. Um it is tab 11. The summary
[52:21] of NEPA is in tab 11 of your booklet and
was submitted the full report which is
[52:28] over 50 pages was submitted um in its
full package with the original uh
[52:36] » which anyone could go to the town office
and look at that.
[52:47] any other s
>> this is not a question but it's a
[52:51] comment so I don't know whether this is
the right time to make a comment
[52:56] » you're in the public hearing
>> so for those of you who don't know me my
[53:00] name is Susie Herman I live in Mount
Vernon um not near the site but I've
[53:06] been on the ordinance for you committee
here on Mount Vernon for o over 30 years
[53:12] I
Um, and I was involved when we created
[53:16] the ordinance that applies to cell
towers um, over I think it's around 15
[53:21] years ago. And I just wanted to bring to
the attention of the board members. And
[53:27] you probably already know this, but
there seems to be some questions about
[53:33] the height, the necessity for 190 ft,
the necessity for the tower to begin
[53:38] with, whether there is a gap or whether
people get good coverage as it is, the
[53:45] impact on on neighboring properties and
so on. And the ordinance has some tools
[53:52] for the planning board if you choose to
use them to hire an independent um
[53:59] engineer and also an independent I think
it's called a landscape architect to
[54:06] look at visual impact.
you have the ability to do that under
[54:11] the ordinance and um at the at the
expense of the applicant to do your own
[54:17] to have your own study of these
questions. It's a tool that we purposely
[54:23] included in the ordinance. This is this
is very technical and um it seems like
[54:29] that's something that uh you might want
to consider
[54:33] um in terms of your evaluation of this
project especially in light of the
[54:39] comments here. Um so that's that's
basically um what I wanted to say.
[54:48] » So is that the town's responsibility to
pay for it? No.
[54:51] » No. or we can it can be at the
applicant's expense. I did very briefly
[54:59] look at the big notebook at one time and
I thought there was something in there
[55:03] that said the applicant was willing to
do that. Um I don't know if that's been
[55:09] discussed. I haven't been involved with
this uh in terms of prior meetings, but
[55:14] I just wanted to um bring that to your
attention that you do have these tools
[55:20] to, you know, gather that information to
fully evaluate what's before you.
[55:26] » We haven't really discussed this
application because the last meeting was
[55:30] when the application was finally deemed
complete.
[55:32] » Okay.
>> We're waiting for the public hearing
[55:34] today with input. then we can start
discussing
[55:38] um going forward. So where exactly what
you're saying?
[55:46] Is there a time like a decision time
like
[55:51] when
there's going to be
[55:54] » on the board of thought
>> but there's no like expiration date of
[56:00] » I mean there is some restrictions that
we can't just delay it but we need to
[56:05] diligently work on the different
questions and issues. So,
[56:11] » so it's not finished.
>> No.
[56:19] » And actually after this public hearing,
we're going to go into the planning
[56:22] board and we'll start discussing the
application and input we got tonight.
[56:29] » Any other questions? Yes.
>> Comment. [clears throat] I recently
[56:34] moved here from Raymond and I was
approximately
[56:39] one mile away from the WGME tower which
is actually was the tallest man-made
[56:46] structure in North America until the
Sears tower was built. I mean the thing
[56:50] is just unbelievable and no noise except
in heavy winds you would get like a hum
[56:59] from the tower. Obviously, this is not
anywhere as close to that size, but it's
[57:06] just some food for thought. You know, if
there would be wind generated noise,
[57:13] it's a guy tower in Raymond. Yes. So,
there's there's guys this this will have
[57:18] those that's what makes the vibration
makes the sound.
[57:22] » Yeah.
>> This is a self.
[57:26] » Yeah.
[57:29] Have you ever had a complaint on any of
your towers that you've done in the past
[57:33] on wind noise?
>> Negative.
[57:38] » The the radio equipment
um is typically now the sign like a
[57:44] refrigerator and kind of makes a home
like a refrigerator because it's it's
[57:49] got radio equipment in it, not basically
electrical equipment like a
[57:53] refrigerator.
The tower itself
[58:07] Any other questions?
[58:12] Okay. Um, I guess motion to close the
public hearing.
[58:19] Make a motion to close the public.
Ron second.
[58:25] All in favor?
All right, thank you everyone. Um,
[58:31] we're now going to open the uh planning
board meeting at 8:12 p.m.
[58:37] and uh we can now start reviewing uh
[58:43] the uh cell tower application.
[58:50] So Kevin, I I guess you did offer up
that you would run additional
[58:55] um heat maps with maybe the four
different colors for the various levels.
[59:02] Um
>> yep, I can
[59:07] » uh present what we without the tower and
then with the tower.
[59:10] » Sure.
[59:17] All right.
[59:24] » I do think we do need to um retain an
outside um engineer to review.
[59:34] I know enough to be dangerous and I'd
rather see an expert in this field um
[59:40] review the data.
Any
[59:46] other good question copies of that too?
Instead of you know some of this the
[59:52] ones that he showed the different
heights I think it was the first time.
[59:55] » Um did you have the copies for the board
copies of those? Okay.
[1:00:01] » But if we get
>> those 15 copies
[1:00:04] » they're sitting here level right?
>> Yeah. Those are 110.
[1:00:11] » Okay. But you're asking also for
different levels, correct?
[1:00:15] » Yeah, I'd like to see like four
different levels and then um and also
[1:00:20] down to 100 feet where the ordinance is.
And if anyone in the public wanted to
[1:00:26] see the we get extra copies
[1:00:40] like to nail down
Lake Hills tower.
[1:00:47] » I think we can get the engineer to do
that. I think the engineer should go
[1:00:51] through the adjacent towers in the area
and come up with a heat map or validate
[1:01:00] um what um they have the applicant has
submitted
[1:01:05] but also state
>> are you still getting off that tower?
[1:01:10] » I have to go try I tried this afternoon
and it was still pinging off the Kensil
[1:01:15] tower
was on this
[1:01:19] Yeah. No, we'll have to have it
verified. I would agree with you that on
[1:01:23] the north side of my house, I used to
ping off that tower. Southside, I'd go
[1:01:27] off the other tower and I tried it today
before the meeting and it stayed to the
[1:01:31] cell tower.
[1:01:45] We would like to request um if you're
going to hire a third party reviewer for
[1:01:48] the um engineering that you would please
get three quotes just to make sure that
[1:01:53] we're
>> um you know
[1:01:56] » economically uh not the choosing the
most expensive person out there.
[1:02:01] » No, I understand.
[1:02:06] Has everyone gone through as far as from
the tower standpoint?
[1:02:12] Any other questions on the tower?
[1:02:18] » To me, I think that the key is, you
know, and it's just for Kevin your
[1:02:24] benefit. That's section uh 35 C
um I the height and where the ordinance
[1:02:35] specifically states that um
the planning board may enlarge the
[1:02:41] maximum height to 190 ft upon showing by
the applicant by substantial evidence
[1:02:45] that enlargement up to 190 ft is the
only feasible alternative to fill a
[1:02:50] significant coverage gap within the
meaning of the telecommunications back.
[1:02:55] » So,
>> yeah, and I understand that it was just
[1:02:57] mentioned that a variance would be
required for the 190, and I just wanted
[1:03:00] to make it clear that we're not
requesting a variance. That's all.
[1:03:04] » Um, I thought at the initial meeting
that we met on the application, you had
[1:03:09] two variance requests. You had a
variance request not to send the letters
[1:03:13] to the Jason tower owners, but you
backed off on that. And wasn't there a
[1:03:18] second variance request?
>> No, there was some waiverss that we had
[1:03:21] talked about, but there was no
variances.
[1:03:25] We we didn't move forward with
submitting any waiverss for this
[1:03:28] application. We ended up fulfilling all
application requirements.
[1:03:37] Actually, I take that back. We did ask
for a waiver for the up to 10 miles for
[1:03:44] the balloon test simulation photos down
to two miles. And that was
[1:03:50] that was agreed upon because the balloon
becomes
[1:03:55] almost invisible at that distance.
[1:04:01] » And I guess the other question I'll ask
it again is Kevin, we had talked at the
[1:04:05] last meeting about the pictures that I
took. You say that there you had a
[1:04:10] special camera, but I can tell you the
elevation, the distance away from the uh
[1:04:15] tower that or the balloon that I took
that picture from. Your outside
[1:04:20] contractor can't then do the simulation.
>> He can't. It needs to be done with his
[1:04:26] his he's got a high-tech camera that
gives him a lot of different parameters,
[1:04:30] and you can't get the same parameters
off like an iPhone picture or or a cell
[1:04:35] phone or or even a regular camera. Even
if I know the elevation and the distance
[1:04:39] away,
>> it's still he doesn't know where you how
[1:04:43] you zoomed it, what the zoom rating was.
There's a lot of different technical
[1:04:46] elements that I'm not, you know, really
at liberty to explain because I don't
[1:04:50] understand it. But that that's what I've
been told.
[1:04:54] » Uh my iPhone, I'm pretty sure has the
spec the specs will actually tell you
[1:04:59] all of that
>> when you take look at the details of the
[1:05:03] picture.
Yeah, I I I can only explain what he was
[1:05:08] told. I know he had gone to your house
to try to take a picture from there, but
[1:05:12] there was nobody home at the time. So,
uh beyond that, I don't think there's
[1:05:15] much he can do.
>> They would have accessed public lake and
[1:05:21] a public boat landing take a boat up on
the north shore of east shore to sey
[1:05:27] do a balloon test again and take the
pictures.
[1:05:34] I think you have a general idea of where
you can see it on the lake. So I I don't
[1:05:38] see that another balloon test will
accomplish anything. You you can you
[1:05:42] know where you saw it from.
>> We can't make it invisible, especially
[1:05:47] in an open area like a lake.
[1:05:53] In two months, you'll be able to take
pictures without foliage,
[1:05:58] which I think is important to people
that live in.
[1:06:03] » I'm not sure if we have the latitude
required test,
[1:06:07] right?
[1:06:10] I don't think so.
[1:06:33] Yeah, it say they may require the
planning board may require a a balloon
[1:06:38] test
say multiple.
[1:06:56] So really the questions outstanding is
the heat maps and the adjacent towers,
[1:07:02] right?
[1:07:08] » Okay. With that, I think we should move
on to the next uh agenda item.
[1:07:15] So, um, just so I understand, so to
clarify, you're going to continue this
[1:07:20] meeting to the next scheduled meeting,
and between now and then, you're going
[1:07:23] to get three quotes for an engineer to
review the the studies.
[1:07:29] » That is the goal.
>> Okay.
[1:07:30] » Um,
I would expect that that's going to be
[1:07:36] maybe it's an easy task, but I I
question if it's going to be all be done
[1:07:39] in a month, but we'll give it a try.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, you'll keep us
[1:07:44] informed.
>> Yes. Yep.
[1:07:46] » Okay. When is the next scheduled
meeting? Just so I can
[1:07:49] » Second Tuesday of the month.
>> Second Tuesday. Okay.
[1:07:56] » It's the third Tuesday.
>> The 15th.
[1:07:59] » Third Tuesday.
>> Third. Third Tuesday. The 15th.
[1:08:03] » Okay.
[1:08:10] I'm
[1:08:14] only 100 yards from it's going to affect
you whether
[1:08:19] or something look at the damn tower like
that.
[1:08:22] » But they signed an agreement with them.
So I'm not sure how that affects us,
[1:08:29] » right? I mean they they signed a lease
with the applicant.
[1:08:36] » Oh, you're I think you said the land
owner. No,
[1:08:38] » that the adjacent land
>> adjacent land. It's going to affect you.
[1:08:43] I don't care how you look at years ago.
It's going to affect you.
[1:08:47] » We say you got it. You want to pick up
next?
[1:08:49] » No. Again, I think he's mentioned that
in this. So, that's record that we need
[1:08:52] to review.
>> Right.
[1:08:57] I'd be against I wouldn't book anything.
[1:09:03] » They need to prove there's a tower that
big needed.
[1:09:09] Okay, next item.
Uh, site plan review 1218 Bond Road,
[1:09:15] Camp Laurel.
>> Good evening, Ben Mary from
[1:09:23] all
[1:09:28] myself. One second.
[1:09:39] Okay. Thank you, brother.
[1:09:48] » Yeah. Give it five minutes.
A little break.
[1:10:29] Where's Jeff tonight?
>> Seems like he's always been the one that
[1:10:34] comes here.
[1:10:50] You got a new book?
>> Yes.
[1:10:53] There was I can't remember the changes.
I think it was the housing, wasn't it?
[1:11:01] » Thank you.
[1:11:57] I'll go through that no longer than 30
ft larger than 200 square ft. And it
[1:12:05] says may be permitted by the planning
board upon a finding after a public
[1:12:09] hearing that the additional size is
necessary for safety or operational
[1:12:12] necessity of the dock. Mhm.
>> Um it extends no further than that point
[1:12:18] which the depth of the water reaches six
feet.
[1:12:20] » Six feet. I I could you can go out to
where it reaches six feet.
[1:12:25] » So for me I could go across the lake
almost
[1:12:29] » if I wanted to
but they still need to go to the code
[1:12:33] enforcement.
>> Yeah. Probably have to reject it and
[1:12:36] kick it over.
>> Well you reject it. You'll just say that
[1:12:39] based on what they're asking for the
planning board and you'll tell Dr. B to
[1:12:43] put it on the agenda.
>> Yeah.
[1:13:53] What's there right now?
[1:13:57] » Yeah.
>> Well, it's mostly field.
[1:14:02] » Yeah,
>> that was cleared the past year when it
[1:14:05] just cleared
>> uh about two acres was cleared in the
[1:14:08] past year. The remaining of it's been
cleared for used to be our horse
[1:14:13] pasture.
[1:14:28] photos. What was that's always been
clear and we're clear in this area.
[1:14:35] Looks like a garage
door. There's like a dead.
[1:14:40] » Yeah, that's
pretty cleared over there.
[1:14:59] aren't
[1:15:07] having their own meeting downstairs
[1:15:16] right now.
[1:15:19] Yes.
[1:16:15] catching me up real quick. So, what's
his zone right now? He's rural.
[1:16:23] » Should save it in the application.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:36] » Sorry.
[1:16:40] You didn't get
right there.
[1:18:39] Okay.
[1:18:51] Uh again, I'm Benson.
[1:18:56] This is uh okay Laurel
[1:19:03] practice area. Uh this is for
orientation. This is pond road
[1:19:09] and this is desert pond road here. So
this is the corner this section here. Uh
[1:19:15] there a large uh field existing field uh
you can see by this tree line
[1:19:21] delineation here. Now, uh there will be
clearing this portion the wooded area
[1:19:27] down towards P on road. Uh what this uh
facility will have will have some
[1:19:32] driving ranges here the kids to utilize
as well as some chipping to putting
[1:19:37] greens as shown in this gray area here.
Uh there was a small uh building
[1:19:45] in this location. This will house some
bathrooms, house uh place to store
[1:19:51] equipment for the uh golf practice area
and then there will be a trail
[1:19:55] connecting into their existing
facilities as well to access it. Um a
[1:20:02] lot of greenery here obviously with the
driving range and the parking green a
[1:20:06] little bit of new impervious area um
will be associated with this. We have
[1:20:10] quantified it total as 5,933
square ft.
[1:20:16] of new impervious area. Camp Laurel has
an ongoing site location permit with D.
[1:20:26] So this they allowed up to 10,000 square
ft of impervious area per calendar year
[1:20:34] without having to submit a new permit.
We just have to notify D of the
[1:20:39] operation, provide our drawings to them
and give them a notification. So upon
[1:20:44] approval from the planning board, we
will be doing that providing that
[1:20:48] notification to the EP to update their
slogan permit.
[1:20:52] » When do you propose to do this?
>> Uh, hey, how are you representing camp
[1:20:58] Laurel? Um, we're
currently working on just the grass area
[1:21:04] right now and as soon as we have a
permit for the building, we'll do it
[1:21:09] immediately as soon as we get that
permit for 2027 season.
[1:21:14] » The bathrooms.
>> Is there the diameter of the circles and
[1:21:17] the length indicating some?
>> Those those have actually been
[1:21:21] eliminated. Um, our original drawings,
um, our developer was going to put
[1:21:26] little circle turf areas to chip the
balls, too. Um, but we've removed those
[1:21:31] for budgetary reasons, and we're not
going to do anything like that. We're
[1:21:34] just going to have, um, it's all going
to be gravel here. We're not putting any
[1:21:38] cement or anything except for the
proposed building pad and two bathrooms.
[1:21:43] Um, it's just going to be a turf hitting
pad right there that goes in the ground
[1:21:47] hitting into the already natural field
that's currently existing. And then
[1:21:51] we're going to have some some areas over
here that will have some some holes and
[1:21:56] some flat areas to chip onto.
>> Anything preventing it's a slice to the
[1:22:00] left
to the left.
[1:22:04] » I'm gonna have a 20 a 20 foot fence
right here. Oh, for over this this area
[1:22:08] right now. We have um I have um pine
tree fence giving us a quote to do a 300
[1:22:14] foot um 40 foot fence there to prevent
balls from going over there. And the
[1:22:18] tree line is very very thick and dense
over there. But we're going to look at
[1:22:23] adding that fence just to you know be
more cautious about any of those.
[1:22:27] » Sounds good.
>> Or and not let any lefties play
[1:22:31] » between the uh building and the road.
I don't have a dimension on there right
[1:22:38] off, but uh the building itself was uh
40 by
[1:22:45] » 40 by 38.
>> 38. So I would say it's uh it's at least
[1:22:51] uh three times that length. So it's got
to be I'd say 100 ft.
[1:22:58] Yeah, I would say at least that because
we wanted it further back, but with the
[1:23:02] angle of getting it straight, we
actually had to push it significantly
[1:23:05] farther up than
>> Even as much greenery.
[1:23:10] » You can't We don't want to see the road
anymore. We want the road to see us. Um,
[1:23:14] right now the natural Yeah, we're not
clearing anything closer to the road.
[1:23:18] Anything that's clear, I don't know the
last time you've driven by there, but
[1:23:21] nothing is changing the buffer between
Route 41 or Desert Pond. We want buffers
[1:23:26] as much as anybody else does. That will
not change whatsoever.
[1:23:31] » Is that a permanent fence you're going
to put up or is that something that's
[1:23:34] like a netting that's removable?
>> So, right now to get the 40 ft and we
[1:23:39] haven't fully decided on this, but it
would be um having telephone poles put
[1:23:43] in that would be on our property and
then I'd have caravans on it so we could
[1:23:47] drop the net off season just for
maintenance reasons and just for visual
[1:23:51] reasons. So we can drop that when we're
not in our six week period. [snorts]
[1:23:59] » How long would that be that?
>> Right now we're just getting into the
[1:24:04] stage of it. But right right now we have
it proposed for about 300 ft from where
[1:24:08] the driving area starts from
>> because that's where we see the most
[1:24:12] concern being is close way up here. I
think the tree buffer and you know the
[1:24:19] kids hitting it that far is going to be
much less accurate.
[1:24:22] » This this escalates up in grade as well.
It does like a 4% pitch upwards.
[1:24:27] » Yeah.
>> Where's the road that comes in up top
[1:24:31] here? There's a road off Desert Pondro.
It's not a road. It's like a path or
[1:24:35] whatever.
>> Uh it's a it's our property of a we have
[1:24:37] a cabin that's that's back there. That's
there's a huge buffer of wood.
[1:24:41] » This is a big wetland here. There's a
cabin further up here in the top page
[1:24:44] and it's further up here. Yeah. Yeah.
Pass up.
[1:24:47] » Well, that is owned by
>> Yeah, this is all all game.
[1:24:51] » It's not That wasn't originally owned by
them. You guys, right?
[1:24:55] » Is that owned by [clears throat] uh
>> It goes all the way to Jim
[1:24:57] Christensson's property.
>> They bought a lot of properties.
[1:25:02] » So, they bought the properties from uh
the Forest Forest. Didn't Forest own
[1:25:06] that trailer?
>> No, we let him live there. We've always
[1:25:10] owned that.
>> Oh, okay. Because actually he worked for
[1:25:12] you guys, right?
>> Yes, he did. Yeah, he's our caretaker.
[1:25:13] So that was our caretaker property.
>> Okay.
[1:25:20] » Yeah. So we're not disturbing any of
these wetlands that are here.
[1:25:24] Let's keep it into this defined path. We
had wetland uh scientists go out and map
[1:25:29] the wetlands. So confirmed there are no
wetlands in this area. So it seemed like
[1:25:34] it was a good fit for the
good fit for it.
[1:25:40] Yeah. We'll have two bathrooms to go to
a tank and then over to their existing
[1:25:44] aluminum system.
[1:25:56] Okay, I guess we can go through the
application and
[1:26:00] um deem it complete hopefully. I assume
you've already gone through the the site
[1:26:04] plan review and
yeah, pass it in question.
[1:26:10] the application of the plan.
>> So I can list off the site plan and
[1:26:16] someone can say it's there.
>> What page
[1:26:20] » that's on 6-5
>> 6-5
[1:26:23] » on the new ordinance.
[1:26:28] » What is it?
>> 65.
[1:26:35] » So name and address of applicant.
Yes.
[1:26:41] » You know, I'm one of the other members
needs to say, "Yeah, let me just whip
[1:26:44] through this and get it over with."
>> Uh, existing soil conditions
[1:26:50] actually.
[1:26:58] » Yeah. Dil.
[1:27:03] » Oh, so your item numbers don't
correspond to our item numbers.
[1:27:08] separate off ABC.
Uh next one is is soil condition B.
[1:27:20] » Okay?
[1:27:33] » But you're not building on wetland, are
you?
[1:27:35] » Excuse me. you might using this. There's
going to be no wetland.
[1:27:38] » No, no wetland impact.
>> Yeah. So, in other words, um
[1:27:42] » we had it mapped.
[1:27:46] » So, it sounds like we're good on that.
>> Well, where is the existing soil
[1:27:49] conditions described?
>> What's the soil map?
[1:27:54] That's the existence condition soil
mapping.
[1:28:00] » G.
Yeah.
[1:28:04] Note that it says this was confirmed by
a planning board member at a meeting
[1:28:07] while discussing another project.
>> I assume you're kidding.
[1:28:12] » What?
[1:28:16] » Where'd you see that?
>> Says no aquifers are known to exist
[1:28:20] within the boundaries of the 7.5 minute
USGS quadrangle where the project is
[1:28:24] located. This was confirmed by a
planning board member at a meeting while
[1:28:28] discussing another project. Well, I'll
be glad to say that there are no experts
[1:28:32] in
>> I would agree, but I don't like that
[1:28:35] reference.
>> We're not supposed to the experts on
[1:28:39] this, but all right.
[1:28:47] The property lines, slot numbers, all
properties abing the proposed
[1:28:51] development
and owners of property within 300 ft.
[1:28:56] I saw a section for Butters. Same thing.
See that?
[1:28:59] » Yeah. See, that's the information.
[1:29:11] » See, uh, peace.
[1:29:31] And the letters have been sent out.
>> Yes. Yes. There's a letters
[1:29:39] » don't normally we get the copies of the
letter uh the mail mailing.
[1:29:44] » Yeah.
[1:29:54] perimeter survey of the parcel made in
certified land surveyor. That would be
[1:29:59] your map that you got here.
>> Yeah,
[1:30:03] » that's co one.
[1:30:22] location, ground floor area, elevation,
setbacks of buildings and other
[1:30:25] structures located on this parcel
existing and proposed in the total area
[1:30:30] location of parking lots, road, paved
areas, areas to be stripped or graded
[1:30:35] not to be vegetated.
Which one are you on?
[1:30:40] » 6-6
on item F.
[1:30:44] » Okay.
[1:30:49] » Here we have a cont
[1:31:08] section
[1:31:14] » of the response to each item. I think
>> Oh, you have a section
[1:31:28] » page.
[1:31:33] That's section F is financial.
[1:31:55] I know I saw that drawing, but of course
I can't find it now.
[1:32:22] still on F.
>> Yeah.
[1:32:25] » Anyone found it?
>> Yeah, it's on page. No, they're they're
[1:32:31] submitt.
[1:32:47] Oh, okay.
[1:32:51] Oh, okay. Great. Thank you.
[1:32:58] Hey everyone on that page. So there's
submittal
[1:33:02] on 66
[1:33:07] they have a response to site plan data
requirements on their submittal
[1:33:12] and it's has all these items that we're
going through right now.
[1:33:23] » We're using the code, right?
>> No, but we're looking at their data.
[1:33:27] » Okay. Perfect.
[1:33:37] » Letter has what you're asking for
response.
[1:33:41] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:33:59] And the larger map has got the paved
areas and roads.
[1:34:04] » Yeah, it's the gravel
for the uh area building, but there's no
[1:34:10] curved
no changes, just gravel path.
[1:34:21] Will this be another crossing across 41?
and we'll be utilizing the crosswalk.
[1:34:30] » So, this path is right to an existing
crossing.
[1:34:33] » It's a little
This will be um
[1:34:41] it's going to be actually going this
path is going to be going to our
[1:34:44] existing road and they'll be crossing
where that crosswalk is across from our
[1:34:48] staff housing area. That's
>> So, will we get an updated map?
[1:34:52] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we can get an updated map
[1:34:55] just where that ties into that. It's
really just this is going to go straight
[1:34:59] and it's going to go straight into our
existing road.
[1:35:02] » Where is that uh speed bump located?
>> That speed bump is probably right about
[1:35:08] where it shows this path going out.
>> That's a crossro, right?
[1:35:12] » Yeah,
>> the speed bumps are taken down now after
[1:35:15] the kids.
>> They were taken down. Yeah, they're
[1:35:18] taken down sooner than we planned.
>> So So they were only just up. Yeah,
[1:35:22] they're temporarily. Absolutely. Yep.
Yep.
[1:35:24] » Are you closer already?
>> We have um a church group there that's
[1:35:28] right now.
>> Why they took it down?
[1:35:30] » We took it down because paving in town,
they actually ripped them out with their
[1:35:34] trucks, but they pulled their J brakes
on them and ripped them out.
[1:35:39] » Yeah, it was a quite the ordeal.
They weren't designed for 18 wheelers
[1:35:44] slam on their brakes apparently 50
times.
[1:35:48] » Replace them.
>> We're
[1:35:51] working on talking to them about the
damage done to them and the resources
[1:35:56] that we had in sheriff's office and
horns crew coming [clears throat] in
[1:36:00] emergency removing them. It was quite
the process.
[1:36:04] » So Brenda, that's an open item that
updated Matt.
[1:36:10] » Okay.
Okay. Location curve sidewalk come down
[1:36:15] here.
[1:36:45] Okay. Looks like G's covered. Yes. Okay.
H. Design an ingress egress of vehicles
[1:36:52] to and from the site public streets.
No change from what's there.
[1:36:57] » No change. No public vehicle access.
[1:37:03] » This whole thing is operate one side.
Anyway,
[1:37:13] » location widths of all existing proposed
streets.
[1:37:17] within the proposed development site.
And
[1:37:23] » site plan has existing streets uh label
but no there are no proposed
[1:37:31] » sorry
[1:37:37] location type size all existing proposed
catch basin storm drainage facilities
[1:37:41] stream forces trans
[1:37:46] » um no new storm water infrastructure
Sure proposed
[1:37:51] again we have noise environmental
services from Bangor coming the
[1:37:55] wetlands.
>> What about drainage off the roofer
[1:38:04] » that is there?
[1:38:16] No streets. Okay. Eyes. No streets
proposed. No new streets. J.
[1:38:22] Okay, we Okay, got that. Uh,
[1:38:27] existing proposed final grade elevations
of entire site system drainage proposed
[1:38:31] contour intervals 10 ft unless otherwise
specified.
[1:38:36] » Yeah, we have two for contours.
Uh, actually one contours on our plan.
[1:38:43] Maybe some slight training around the
building
[1:38:46] and for the walkway
as well as the uh putting areas. That's
[1:38:52] it.
[1:38:59] Okay. Location of acifers. We already
covered that a few minutes ago.
[1:39:03] Location map drawn scale at no more than
500 ft to the inch to show relation of
[1:39:09] proposed development to the surrounding
area.
[1:39:23] Okay.
[1:39:27] And sedimentation erosion control plan
included exhibit P.
[1:39:51] Okay, everyone okay with that?
Okay. Oh, brief description complete
[1:39:56] written summary of the scope of
activities be undertaken on the site
[1:40:02] » the golf course right
[1:40:08] narrative
drives
[1:40:13] how the facility is going to be used of
the
[1:40:17] um application
[1:40:39] Where is the narrative?
[1:41:30] project.
>> No, there. Thank you.
[1:42:05] Um, is there anything about the timing
of the construction schedule, anything
[1:42:09] like that?
plan to be finished by 202
[1:42:39] the proof of notification. So, we talked
about that already. The letters if we
[1:42:43] get the copies of the certification.
So, that's an open item, Brenda.
[1:42:48] » Yep.
>> Yeah.
[1:42:51] » Uh, proof the applicant has adequate
financial technical capacity.
[1:42:56] » I saw was an email from there
[1:43:00] from somebody.
[1:43:04] This is a
[1:43:09] » people are various oldies.
[1:43:18] » It says from an established financial
institution.
[1:43:23] This is just a letter from themselves.
[1:43:28] We're selfunding. They're still they're
selfunding.
[1:43:35] There's a letter. Which where's the
letter?
[1:43:38] » Right here.
[1:43:51] I have no doubt that you have the
capacity in, but says that they have the
[1:43:56] means from an established financial
institution, not themselves. Except if
[1:44:00] you're if you're funding it out of your
own cash.
[1:44:04] What does the bank do?
>> You have more money than you know what
[1:44:08] to do with you don't need.
>> I'm I'm just asking the question. I'm
[1:44:11] looking at what
>> No, I I hear what you're saying. I mean,
[1:44:14] and when someone's funding it
themselves, I would think a bank would
[1:44:17] say yes, they have the money to do it.
>> They don't need to.
[1:44:22] » They they could prove their balances.
[1:44:26] » Never been initially.
>> Okay. I'm I'm just bringing it up.
[1:44:36] » I I'm willing to
>> I don't I don't doubt it. I just
[1:44:40] » based on history
>> I know you're saying
[1:44:43] » the ordinance says
>> the previous applicant we required a
[1:44:48] letter and we did get a letter from
their institution but we don't know
[1:44:51] them.
>> Yeah,
[1:44:52] » these guys are in town. I'm I'm good
with work. Well, they've submitted
[1:44:55] almost someone else is everyone's good.
Okay. The amount of type of raw finished
[1:45:02] waste material stored on site
outside of roofed buildings.
[1:45:21] Yeah, this uh
we said in the response is anxious on
[1:45:26] hazard properties
concrete wood structure on site.
[1:45:33] Um all the waste is handled by their
normal way. So they they handle the
[1:45:40] operations.
[1:45:44] So everything on this site is related to
the golfing.
[1:45:48] Nothing else incidental for the rest of
the camp.
[1:45:53] Okay. Landscape plan showing location
type approximate size of plantings
[1:45:58] locations that item C. Yeah. Most of
this going to be u still wooden
[1:46:04] um minimal um disturbance as much wood
as the wood buffer as I can. So just
[1:46:13] enough to plan for building in there
driving range and back. So
[1:46:18] maintaining system
vegetation as much as possible.
[1:46:25] So on the plan there's no
one distinguished here.
[1:46:39] Did not know a large tree here that
remain um keep in place.
[1:46:47] love
the beautiful tree.
[1:46:51] » Yeah.
>> And what shade
[1:46:56] » but there is some a little bit of
proposed landscaping here and shown in
[1:46:59] the green as well
to enhance the areas here on the bottom.
[1:47:06] But all this vegetation here remain well
as here.
[1:47:11] » How many T's you going to have? Um, I'm
looking at like a 15 day driving range
[1:47:17] debox and then it's going to be like a
chipping zone that you can chip on to
[1:47:23] and then just a little putting green
that kids can practice putting on. Try
[1:47:27] to keep like 20 or 22 kids kind of
active at the same time and then let
[1:47:32] them rotate
and build really just for storage and
[1:47:37] for them to use restaurant far off from
the rest of our facilities.
[1:47:49] Okay. Lighting. Um, you have a thing
about
[1:47:54] » the husband decided if lights would be
installed.
[1:47:59] » I would think that would something we'd
have to review that was going to be
[1:48:02] installed because there is a hot on the
corner there. I guess what the hours
[1:48:07] would be and what kind of lighting. Our
our program will run from from 9:00 a.m.
[1:48:12] and no later than 5:30 p.m. Um the
lights that we put if if at all would
[1:48:17] just be on this building and that would
just be for the surrounding area of the
[1:48:22] building just for clean up and
maintenance purposes, but we're not
[1:48:24] planning on operating this in the
evenings.
[1:48:28] » That light beast
lighting.
[1:48:35] I think a condition should be then if
you ever plan to go night operation you
[1:48:39] need to come back.
>> Y
[1:48:46] » okay type size of incineration devices
nothing okay.
[1:48:57] Okay. No loud speakers.
[1:49:12] Is this what we would sign or is there
another drawing here? I don't see a area
[1:49:16] for us to signatures
[1:49:24] open item.
[1:49:28] » Are we going to wave a public visit? I
mean a site.
[1:49:38] » Are we allowed to wave a site visit?
Well,
[1:49:42] » I I I agree that I I I would don't think
I need to see it, but I know the area. I
[1:49:47] just
>> I I'm not suggesting we wave it. I was
[1:49:50] just wondering on this.
>> Yes, I think everyone drives by there at
[1:49:55] one time or another.
[1:50:01] Um we do should have a public hearing.
Um I think your application's not
[1:50:08] complete yet. We can't schedule a public
hearing until the application's
[1:50:11] complete. So there is what three open
items.
[1:50:14] » Correct. We have a return receipts. We
need to have an updated site plan uh the
[1:50:21] site map and then with that site map we
need to have sign block. You guys can
[1:50:25] sign off on the actual site plan itself.
>> I mean there are minor issues. If you
[1:50:29] can get those submitted to the office in
the next week or so, we could um we
[1:50:36] could schedule a public hearing at the
next meeting.
[1:50:43] » Everyone good with that?
>> So, the third Tuesday of next month.
[1:50:50] » Good.
[1:50:53] Then they'll decide if there's a site
meeting
[1:50:57] or they'll schedule a site meeting then.
>> Well, they need to come and hit some
[1:51:00] golf course. [laughter]
>> There's really nothing to look at.
[1:51:04] » No, I think we just we just talked that
we're not going to do a site visit.
[1:51:07] » No. So,
>> there's nothing to look at.
[1:51:10] » Yeah, I I agree. I'm happy to have all
of you involved. [laughter]
[1:51:15] » But we want to see something exciting.
>> Better have that fence in place for me.
[1:51:19] [laughter]
Walk down that road. So the public
[1:51:23] hearing will be the 15th of September uh
7 p.m.
[1:51:27] » first up.
>> Planning reasons out soon is permanent.
[1:51:38] » We'll if pending no nothing comes up
from the public hearing uh we could sign
[1:51:43] that night. We'll put an agenda item to
review the application after the public
[1:51:47] hearing.
>> Right. And pending no issues come up,
[1:51:50] we'll sign right then and you're good to
go to code enforcement.
[1:51:55] » Thank you guys.
[1:52:06] Yes, I do.
>> So, for those open, we should bring them
[1:52:09] down to the town office.
>> Yeah,
[1:52:11] » I'll be at the town office.
>> Okay.
[1:52:14] » Hours tomorrow?
>> 7 to 3.
[1:52:15] » 73. All right.
We'll get that over to you.
[1:52:19] » Awesome. Thank you.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you, Eric.
[1:52:24] » Good night.
[1:52:28] » Okay, Ron, I assume we'll jump over to
you to try to get you out of here.
[1:52:33] » Sounds good to me.
I get I guess right
[1:52:40] copy of the deed.
[1:52:46] » We have seven people on the board but
two couldn't make it tonight.
[1:52:49] » Gotcha.
>> Thank you.
[1:52:52] » Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[1:53:04] Thought
[1:53:09] we just [snorts] discussed last time
that what was the final decision that we
[1:53:12] talked about?
>> Yeah. You said you were good with
[1:53:16] everything. You just wanted to see the
deed.
[1:53:18] » Okay.
>> You were going to complain.
[1:53:21] » Yes. I want to make A, B, and C.
Three lots that were broken out
[1:53:28] whenever. Just one lot.
So I don't have to pay $550 times three,
[1:53:36] just $550 times one.
>> My old age.
[1:53:41] » Have you got the new deeds? I mean, did
you just redo your boundary lines into
[1:53:46] one?
>> I I have done nothing. The only thing
[1:53:50] that you guys wanted to see was was this
present.
[1:53:53] » I thought Freddy, you said you take
a new boundary.
[1:53:57] » Yeah. Well, it says the sidelines are
the same, right? They don't move. It's
[1:54:04] just that the
>> two inside,
[1:54:08] » right, are just going to be I just want
to eliminate those.
[1:54:12] » You're just going to need
>> from point A to point B. You're going to
[1:54:16] have let's say
[1:54:20] you're just going to have one lot, one
big lot. Yep.
[1:54:28] That's what I did to it.
>> Yeah,
[1:54:33] I guess if you know plans to build at
some point, but I don't. I mean, I like
[1:54:40] land the way it is. Never. In fact, I
don't think one lot is is buildable,
[1:54:46] » right? You know the one on
what is it along whatever road there at
[1:54:53] the other road. It's kind of swampy in
there.
[1:54:59] Makes it simple.
[1:55:03] Is there something once you do this and
stop reversal
[1:55:07] or you have to come back
be a new subdivision?
[1:55:12] » Yeah.
I'm sure he knows where he wants to be
[1:55:16] for the play. Your kids can worry about
it.
[1:55:20] » I told my daughter that on Sunday she
came up and everything [laughter] and I
[1:55:25] said, "Just think someday this will all
be yours."
[1:55:29] I ain't worrying about it when I'm
looking up at the brown dirt.
[1:55:32] » Nope.
[1:55:35] » That tree.
[1:55:40] It's not in tree.
>> No, not that I'm aware of. No.
[1:55:46] Where does it actually state that
they're combining?
[1:55:49] Being a little dumb here. This is just
existing. This is existing.
[1:55:53] » Oh, that's not
up yet.
[1:55:58] » Okay. Got it.
[1:56:07] » Yeah, that lot is going to be best
combined.
[1:56:10] » What's that? the lot the three path
would be best combined.
[1:56:14] » Yes.
>> There's no other Yeah. The one on the
[1:56:17] main road isn't buildable anyway anyway,
>> right? Exactly. It's kind of
[1:56:24] » you and you pop point.
>> Yes. I'm on I'm off popular point.
[1:56:28] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I broke that same
problem.
[1:56:32] » Yep. I remember you telling me that.
>> So above
[1:56:36] » there's nothing there.
goes ahead with this. Do we have to
[1:56:39] » does he have to bring us a new survey
plan that just shows all we want and we
[1:56:43] got to sign off on it or they're going
to have to ref you know they're taking
[1:56:47] away an issue for the office too.
Well, he lived down there,
[1:56:54] you know.
>> So, he just comes goes to assess her,
[1:56:56] right?
>> Yeah.
[1:56:59] » Doesn't this wouldn't it get recorded as
one deed with the
[1:57:02] » It has to get recorded. So, do we have
to sign an approved site plan? You know,
[1:57:06] just a plan that says this has been
approved to make this one lot.
[1:57:13] » We have to do a site division, but I I
sign a combine. I think it's just a
[1:57:19] matter of he goes to the assessor
showing the new deed and the assessor.
[1:57:25] » All right. I know you know the reverse
that we have to have to do anything
[1:57:28] because it was a subdivision
>> reversing the subdivision.
[1:57:31] » We don't have anything to do here.
>> Yeah, I think we're good.
[1:57:35] » Okay.
>> I think we're good.
[1:57:38] » Okay.
>> Okay. So, what's what's the next step?
[1:57:42] You need to get the create the deed, the
combined deed, and then go to the
[1:57:47] assessor with the combined deed, and you
should be
[1:57:49] » good. All set.
>> Do we have to have a motion or anything,
[1:57:52] or you just
>> No,
[1:57:56] would compose a deed.
>> A lawyer, a surveyor.
[1:58:03] » Sure.
yourself.
[1:58:09] [laughter]
>> You can do it yourself if you want to
[1:58:12] live with it. It wouldn't be depend how
they, you know, word it. I guess you
[1:58:16] know how a lawyer would word it. If they
were a surveyor says he's going to read
[1:58:19] the the points for you, the boundaries
writing into
[1:58:23] » you'll just reaffirm the outside
boundaries.
[1:58:26] » Yeah. All the pins, everything is there.
[1:58:32] » Probably a surveyor, right? I don't
think it's a lawyer or say
[1:58:36] » someone that knows how to
>> describe the law.
[1:58:40] » Sure.
>> Okay.
[1:58:42] » We're not the experts.
>> All right.
[1:58:45] » In your court now,
>> but there's no issue with the planning
[1:58:49] board.
>> Okay. So, you guys are good. I'll get
[1:58:52] with either a lawyer or a surveyor.
Everybody do the deed
[1:58:57] » and they register, I would assume.
>> And
[1:59:03] So I guess the item the results for us
is just that you that we're a
[1:59:08] responsible party here.
[1:59:12] It's up to him to get to a surveyor and
then go to the assessor.
[1:59:27] Okay.
>> All right. Anything else? No, we're
[1:59:30] good.
get it in before your next next
[1:59:34] assessment comes out.
>> Yeah, no kidding. My wife's asking
[1:59:40] me a thousand bucks and I'm sure I'll
pay that to a surveyor or a lawyer. So,
[1:59:48] » all right.
>> Cheap,
[1:59:50] » but
we're tired.
[1:59:52] » Y
>> every dime counts.
[1:59:56] » All right, guys. How about you?
Okay. So, the minutes uh is an open item
[2:00:01] for next meeting. The last item is um
>> Oh, what town is it?
[2:00:08] » Multi- town discussion of shed is
>> Yeah, let me open the email. Actually,
[2:00:13] did I send you the letter
>> email? You didn't print that out, did
[2:00:16] we?
>> Let me open it up. Um Mary can't think
[2:00:21] her last name over in
next town over.
[2:00:28] Winston
um is thinking that it'd be good for the
[2:00:34] lo like adjacent towns to have a
discussion of issues in their towns. Uh
[2:00:40] cell towers um they want to talk about
housing and she's invited us if we care
[2:00:45] to attend. Also the ordinance review
committee
[2:00:50] um and the meeting is on October the
1st.
[2:00:56] Yeah. if you know people want to go. Um
[2:01:03] Mary, okay, here it is right here.
Maryanne Haye
[2:01:07] um Intertown meeting October 1st at
Sterling Hall
[2:01:13] and um
>> Oops. Can you just forward that?
[2:01:17] » Yeah, I can forward the email. It's 6
PM. They're talking about serving pizza
[2:01:20] and other food. Again, there's no
requirement for us to be there, but it's
[2:01:25] if just to talk.
>> K.
[2:01:28] » Hey. H A Y
E.
[2:01:32] » Yeah. Hi.
>> Sorry.
[2:01:36] » Maryanne.
>> Mary.
[2:01:38] » Mary.
>> Mary.
[2:01:39] » An
>> to their what's what meeting they're
[2:01:44] having at night?
>> There. It's to just bring planning
[2:01:48] boards and ordinance review committees
together to talk about issues in their
[2:01:52] towns to say, you know, to share notes
and ideas, concerns.
[2:01:59] » Yep. And so grand
[2:02:09] » um so grandfather's house
>> on the hill.
[2:02:13] » I'll forward the meeting to everyone. If
you're interested in going, let me know
[2:02:16] so I can just let her know how many
people are coming.
[2:02:22] » Yeah, I'll send an email to everyone.
[2:02:27] So, it's time for a motion to close this
thing. Make a motion.
[2:02:33] » All in favor?
>> All in favor of closing.
[2:02:39] » I make a motion to close. Second.
[2:02:48] » I had a bunch of people talk to me from
the lake
[2:02:52] » and I said, I'm not going to represent
other people. It's not my place as
[2:02:56] chair. I said write an email a letter or
come to the meetings.
[2:03:02] Have you got any emails or letters?
>> No.
[2:03:07] » You know, it's kind of I don't know if
it's going to be contentious.
[2:03:10] » I think
take a reasonable distance.
[2:03:14] » Go to every household, mail a survey to
every household. What do you think?
[2:03:19] » Yeah.
Unfortunately, our process
[2:03:24] we we put public notice out.
>> I'll be honest. I I don't want to see
[2:03:28] 190 foot tower.
>> I know. But there's no opposition.
[2:03:31] » Oh, there was opposition.
>> Well, what?
[2:03:33] » Oh, yeah.
>> And uh I have concerns. I want to see
[2:03:37] them. They have to prove that there's a
need.
[2:03:40] » I want to see what
>> And we need to hire find an RF person to
[2:03:45] go in.
>> You're right about the reception. It
[2:03:47] might be there.
>> Oh, it's there. I did the test today.
[2:03:51] They're they're playing a little bit of
the game. The other game they're playing
[2:03:54] is they have to have a licensed carrier
to build the tower.
[2:04:01] They're the licensed carrier. They're
going to do um some sort of
[2:04:06] » two-way radio
>> two-way radio for but when I asked them,
[2:04:08] well, did the adjacent towers have the
two-way radios? So they No, they
[2:04:13] wouldn't answer the question. You
>> got used to recording? No,
[2:04:16] » I shut the recording off. Heard
>> something repeating.