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The public works and library

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Committee meeting to order, um,

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tonight, let's First up is

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Isaac with a library update.

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All right, this will be a quick

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library update. You have a lot

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of things on your agenda. Uh,

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there is me holding a snake

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when reptile lady was in the

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library, which was a very

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successful event, so. Um, a

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couple of interesting things we

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tried this last period. We did

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plant bingo at Farms Star and

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Brewing. Uh, we filled up the

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place with people competing to

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win plants of all things. Um,

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it was a really nice, uh, kind

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of library tie-in event. We're

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trying more of these kind of

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experimental outside of the

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library, uh, gatherings, and

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this is a good place to start.

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Uh, Farmstrong definitely said

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if we want to do Plant Gringo

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every month, we We could

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totally support that endeavor

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because it was, you know,

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successful for them as. Well,

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um, and it, it was a lot of fun

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and it was nice to be able to

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tie the like agricultural

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history of Skagit into an event

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like this, you know, a lot of

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the education was about what

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grows here and what works here,

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you know, as we sort of, you

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know, did that, uh, uh thing,

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so it was lovely. Um, Summer

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reading, uh, did really well.

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We had 1100 signups at the time

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I made these slides 1 1,104, uh

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so that was a really good, uh,

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successful year, um, and we had

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really good attendance at

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programs, so high participation

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in the events we did, um, as

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well, um, in terms of like kids

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in the community, we get about

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4200 enrollees from the school

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district into our library

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program. So, you know, we're

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definitely kind of past that 4%

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of all kids in the community

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are kind of involved in summer

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reading, which is a, was a real

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solid number, you know,

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considering, you know. The

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limited age group that we apply

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it to, so. Um, uh, yep, so

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reptile lady was at the library

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We had 352 children um there.

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It was a wonderful event. Uh,

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we had a great tea and stories

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program at White Branches, um,

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and our raffles, uh, supported

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things like Lego sets and

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printed bird houses, and all in

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all, 73 kids won a prize for

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completing the summer reading

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program, so it was really uh

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fun, including back a slide.

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This is the kid who won our

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summer reading mascot, and I

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took it home, so. You know.

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Nice. You always have two now

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and one goes into the archives

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and one goes home to some kid's

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house, so it's a coveted prize

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for sure. Uh, another thing we

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had this summer was our teen

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intern, um, our teen intern was

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a really cool grant funded

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program that you guys approved,

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and we really appreciated

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having that uh funding. Uh, her

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sort of final project was a

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little, uh, art gallery, um,

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that we created in the library

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full of like little kids' art.

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Uh, it was really fun and one

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of those great things to also

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have a library board to approve

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each one of those designs and

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make sure that our public

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displays meet all of the

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guidelines. lines that, you

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know, Kevin would want is so

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that we don't, you know, have

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problems in the future. Um, Uh,

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we did, uh, some events in the

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park. Uh, we made healing balm

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and it was really fun, um, and

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we made a pinatas in the park,

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which I thought was a great

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idea because the last time we

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made pinatas in the library, I

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was finding glue and little

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pieces of oil paper in the

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library for about 6 months. So

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like that's a great

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collaboration, right? You know,

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uh, but 153 people came to that

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event and it was a really like

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a good Italian. Um, with the

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community, um. And then finally

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uh, kind of to close out, we

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had a papermaking, um, and this

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you know, past little time, you

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know, that, of course, really

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ties into book and bookmaking

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and just kind of, you know, the

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joy of reading thing in a

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physical form, but it was also

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really fun to make these kind

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of textured past papers with

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your sort of natural imprints

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um with the kids, um, and about

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50 people came, so that was,

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that was good as well. Uh, our

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civics academy, we have two

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things kind of coming up, uh,

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one of which is really set in

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stone, which is, uh, Wednesday,

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October 21st, we're gonna work

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with uh the League of Women

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Voters to have a civics trivia

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night that will either be the

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kickoff or the conclusion of

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our like first two events, um,

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and then we have our Civics 101

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um, that is right now

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tentatively scheduled for

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November 11th, but we're

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looking for a new, um, date

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with the presenter. So

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hopefully, we'll kind of

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finalize that detail. and start

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to advertise to the public here

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uh, very shortly. Can I ask a

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quick question about that. You

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know, the hard thing is they're

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on Wednesdays, and that's our

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council night. Yes, I also that

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was a problem. OK, thank you.

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Thank you for noticing. Yes, we

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will, if, if these two are not

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um accessible the next ones

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will be like scheduled on like

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a more routine, like Thursday

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night, which would be our

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normal presentation. It was

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this presenter this time that

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kind of created that challenge.

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Thank you. Absolutely. Any

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other questions? Any questions

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for Isaac? All right, I'm gonna

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kind of scoot along here

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because they're, like I said,

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there is a full agenda. At the

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moment. Yes, there is, and

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thank you so much for your

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update, especially not bringing

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the snake. Very happy about

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that. Oh Oh look at that. Um,

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next up is our, um, A

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presentation from, I want to

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make sure I've got this right.

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sgadget cleaners Morgan, Curry,

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and City of Mount Vernon Public

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Works, Chris. Is that correct?

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And in what order are we doing

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this? Yeah, it's correct. What

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order are we doing this? She's

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first. Morgan's first. She's

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first. OK, so prior to bringing

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Morgan up, though, if it's OK.

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I just wanted to kind of

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clarify that in my humble

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opinion, this should be one of

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many conversations regarding

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what you're about to hear. OK,

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to sit there and get 10 minutes

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from Morgan. 10 minutes from me

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and then make a decision. I

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Sure. You could do that, but I

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would sit there and say that

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there are other issues that

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need to be discussed that I'm

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not discussing as in regards to

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land use parcels, um, size of

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city growth that require

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probably some other directors

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to be involved in that

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conversation. So with that, I

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will introduce uh to come on up

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She's the executive director

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for Skagit Gleaners, and she

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will provide a all you need to

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do is just hit the down arrow

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there. Cool, and you are going

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to be ready to rock and roll.

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Thanks. Do you want your

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glasses? Sure thing I can use

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my. Oh no, I'm good.. Cool. Hey

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everyone, thank you for having

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me tonight. I first, I'm gonna,

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before I go into my slides, I

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want to preface by saying. I

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think that gleaners has had a

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pipe dream years that one day

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we would eventually be able to

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buy the land that we're on.

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predecessor before me, and with

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the previous mayor, they talked

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about it casually, and then I

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did warn Mayor Donovan a few

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months ago that I was still

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coming at it, so, um, like this

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might be um a big plan

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presentation for a lot of you,

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but really this has been

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something that our board has

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been thinking about for years

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and we felt that it was our due

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diligence. to make sure that we

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completed a full feasibility

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study and a full plan to even

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see if this was possible, how

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can this building look on this

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piece of land, and then we

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wanted to go to the city with a

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with a full plan and, and a

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full information to be able to

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make an educated decision on if

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this would even work, if, if

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the city decides no, that's

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totally fine with us. We'll,

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we'll just move on to our, our

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plan B. So I wanted to preface

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by, by saying that and we'll

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just jump on in. So recently we

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work. worked with Dan Peter

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Zala from Trico, and then we

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have Julie Blatzi here, and I

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also want to introduce Ron Won.

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He's on our board. He's here in

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the audience tonight and I

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don't. I think I have any other

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board members here, um, anyway,

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so the skagic cleaners who we

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are, most of you know who we

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are, but we're a food recovery

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and rescue organization in

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Mount Vernon. Last year we kept

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2 million pounds of food out of

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the landfill. We redirect that

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food to local families who use

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it right away. If you look at

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the total amount of um uh

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atmosphere or uh environmental

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impact that we're making in our

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community, we take about 1200

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metric tons of CO2 through

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rescued and recovered food. We

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divert it out of our

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community's atmosphere and onto

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people's tables, so that's the

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equivalent of keeping about 287

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passenger vehicles off the road

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for an entire year. We're

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really focused on food recovery

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and rescue efforts, but also

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feeding our local community. We

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are the largest community

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cooperative food recovery

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organization in the state of

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Washington. Our model is

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actually being copied across

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the country, um, and we work

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very, very closely with a lot

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of big, big retailers and

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manufacturers in the area, a

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lot of gro Grocery stores, a

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lot of distributors, a lot of

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restaurants, and also, of

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course, a lot of farms. One of

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the unique things about scalic

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cleaners is that we operate as

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a community cooperative, so

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everyone who uses the services

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at our facility also

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contributes to the overhead of

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the organization. Everyone

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everyone volunteers and

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everyone pitches in a nominal

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shared donation, which helps

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change the narrative around

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food access and receiving food.

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It really creates a community

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cooperative where people are

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benefiting from the work that

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they're putting in, and it

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helps level the playing field

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of, of food access. We are

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currently positioned on at 1021

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Riverside Drive. We're in a

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city-owned building on

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city-owned land. We've been

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there, I think, maybe 15 years.

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I've been there for 10 years

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and we were there for some time

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before I got there. Um, and we

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love the fact that we've been

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able to stay in this facility.

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It's, it's done us some great,

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uh, it's done some wonders for

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us over the years, but we're,

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we're, it's time for us to, to

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move into a bigger facility,

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and we're also just having some

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um, you know, just some, some

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cosmetic and some structural

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issues with the building, and I

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we're, we're growing out of the

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existing space. I've included

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some photos as as to what some

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of those cosmetic. challenges

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are or structural challenges

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are, but lo and behold, the

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existing almost 10,000 square

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foot building is aging and it's

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operationally inadequate. The

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parking lot is inadequate. We

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have semi trucks coming in when

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people are trying to cross

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through the parking lot. We

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have large loads coming in. We

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have a forklift operated. What

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we really need is just a larger

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facility with designated

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receiving and storage areas.

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And so here we go into our

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conceptual plan, the vision. We

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are proposing that we would

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like to build a new facility on

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the existing land if the city

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is willing to partner with that

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project. And it would allow us

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to be able to extend the, the

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footprint of, of the facility

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to about 32% larger than what

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we have today, so it gives us

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almost a little over 13,000

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square feet. It would allow us

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to maintain our client choice

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market where we would

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distribute produce, dry goods,

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dairy, bakery meat, frozen

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items. It would also allow us

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to receive and sort our

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backhouse operations for all of

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our food. It would allow us to

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have our thrift store and in

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addition to what we do with

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food, we also receive. surplus

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thrift store items from the

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community and redistribute it

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to families who use our

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services. It's all part of the

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membership plan. There's no

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extra cost to use our, our

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thrift store. We call it the

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gratitude Galleria because

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thrift store confuses people.

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They think they have to pay

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extra for it. They really don't

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It's all part of the membership

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plan. It would allow for 63

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parking stalls and we would

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also add accessible and EV

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ready parking stalls in the

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parking lot. We would make the

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building ADA compliant

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throughout, and then it could

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also be a potential FEMA

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designated community muster

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point during emergencies, and

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this was really important

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during the, the, uh, 2025 flood

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that we saw in quarter 4. I,

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there was just a lot of need,

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an idea or a thought of if if a

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helicopter had to come in and

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drop food or for any emergency

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purposes, where, where could

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that food be dropped or where

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could that food go? We're

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working with all the other food

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banks in Skagit County to help

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iron out some of those details,

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and our site, our facility was

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one idea that that was proposed

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Here are some photos of what

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the new building could look

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like, don't get hung up on the

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color. I was told the color

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could change, um, but this

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gives you a visual of, of, uh,

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most of you have been to our

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facility, so you, I mean, you

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probably have an idea of where

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it's at, um, but this road

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right there on the right-hand

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side, that's actually Alder

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Lane, so if I'm staring at the

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building, the, my back would be

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facing Riverside Drive or

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Habitat for Humanity. Morgan, I

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go back to, would you mind? I

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really like the flying car,

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right? That's gonna come with

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the building, I know it is. Uh,

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here's the conceptual program

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inside. I won't go into the

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details because I still have a

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lot of other slides, and I get

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excited about this, so I'm, I

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can talk a lot, but here's the,

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here's the plan. The one thing

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I want to say is that in these

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plans, we've incorporated a

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community classroom where we

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would make it free for other

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nonprofits to use this as a

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gathering space and then to do

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education programs, food

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preservation programs, more of

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that community hub that we

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really need to see in in this

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central of Mount Vernon. Here's

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the side that you're probably

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most interested in. So you can

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see where it says existing

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building existing building

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that's where we're at right now

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that, and we're proposing to

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have the building be on the

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further west end of the lot,

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you'll see that. Can I show you

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guys on this? Oh yeah, right

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here. So this dotted line right

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here, that's the property line

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right there, and so there's,

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there's gonna be two asks out

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of this. One, would the city be

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willing to entertain the idea

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of selling us this land, and

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then 2, with the city be

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willing to extend the property

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line so that we can build.

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Right here, and then we would

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demo the existing building and

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I even told Trico to include

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the floodgates in here. So

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these are all the floodgates

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that can still be housed on the

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property if need be. Here are

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just some other really cool

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photos of the proposed building

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Here's a bird's eye view. This

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right here is Alder Lane. These

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are the railroad carts that are

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right here and then further

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this way is Riverside Drive. Oh

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yeah, so like, that way, that's

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Riverside Drive. I think, oh,

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here, that's supposed to be the

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habitat for Humanity store

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right there. Um, here are some

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more photos. Do you see that we

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have a receiving area back here

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so this is where semi trucks

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would go behind the building,

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come around, and then there's a

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way that they would back in

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right here to receive, uh, to

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drop off food. This would be a

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receiving area for our thrift

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store, and this is all client

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parking. So why it matters,

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obviously we're, we're growing

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exponentially. We've seen an

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incredible increase in members

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needing our services, using our

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services, wanting to use our

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services, so we just need to,

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to grow and expand to meet

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community need. Uh, we also

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want to add more community

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gathering spaces like the

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classroom, we want to increase

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and improve our safety

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throughout the building and,

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and we also just want to have

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an intentional building that's

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designed for long-term growth.

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And also a permanent home

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strength in Skagic cleaner's

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ability to serve Mal Vernon

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residents and the broader

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Skagit community for decades to

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come. Here are all the

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different ways in which us

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being in that, um, us using

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that land for the Skagic

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Cleaners building aligns with

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the city of Mount Vernon

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Comprehensive Plan. I won't go

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into all of them, but we did,

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we, we wanted to be intentional

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with the plan and make sure

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that this really was something

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that aligns with what the city

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of Melbourne and says that they

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they want to do. And here's our

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R2 requests. So would the city

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consider selling the currently

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leased. Property and would the

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city consider a lot line

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adjustment to create visible

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development, and here's all the

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work of the feasibility that

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we've done. Again, we wanted,

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we were, we didn't want this to

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be a pipe dream any longer. We

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wanted to come to the city with

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a fully fleshed out plan of how

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this could look, what it could

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do, what it would mean for the

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community, will it, you know,

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just meet the basics. Will it

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fit? Will it meet our needs on

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the existing land. So this is

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all the great work that we've

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done, and here are some

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proposed next steps if the city

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does give us some permission to

560
00:16:56,791 --> 00:17:02,263
move forward. I won't get into

561
00:16:57,558 --> 00:17:03,798
these details. right now, but

562
00:17:00,928 --> 00:17:04,465
we are, we're operating on a

563
00:17:02,330 --> 00:17:06,067
long time frame, so we're

564
00:17:03,865 --> 00:17:08,036
hoping that we would be

565
00:17:04,532 --> 00:17:10,271
breaking ground in 5 years.

566
00:17:06,134 --> 00:17:11,439
This isn't something that we

567
00:17:08,102 --> 00:17:13,041
need an answer on anytime soon,

568
00:17:10,338 --> 00:17:14,342
like what Chris Phillips said.

569
00:17:11,506 --> 00:17:15,710
What we're looking for, um,

570
00:17:13,107 --> 00:17:16,878
right now. Is just some

571
00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:18,379
guidance on whether or not this

572
00:17:15,777 --> 00:17:19,914
could be a possibility, um,

573
00:17:16,944 --> 00:17:21,883
it's never, it's not our

574
00:17:18,446 --> 00:17:23,651
intention to, you know, go head

575
00:17:19,981 --> 00:17:25,320
to head with the city. We love

576
00:17:21,949 --> 00:17:27,322
the city, we love the city

577
00:17:23,718 --> 00:17:28,589
staff, we, we want to do what's

578
00:17:25,386 --> 00:17:29,324
best for the city. I just think

579
00:17:27,388 --> 00:17:30,091
that this could be a really

580
00:17:28,656 --> 00:17:32,827
cool project, uh, a

581
00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:34,262
collaborative project where we

582
00:17:30,158 --> 00:17:35,930
can make something great out of

583
00:17:32,894 --> 00:17:37,165
that space, something that

584
00:17:34,329 --> 00:17:38,733
increases food access that

585
00:17:35,997 --> 00:17:39,600
aligns with the comprehensive

586
00:17:37,231 --> 00:17:41,336
plans that revitalizes

587
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:44,038
Riverside Drive and really just

588
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:45,640
re-enters the hub of Mount

589
00:17:41,402 --> 00:17:46,708
Vernon and just does something.

590
00:17:44,105 --> 00:17:48,543
different with that space, and,

591
00:17:45,707 --> 00:17:49,610
and I'll, I'll stop there

592
00:17:46,774 --> 00:17:51,713
because I'm out of time, but

593
00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:53,681
yeah, and question I questions

594
00:17:49,677 --> 00:17:55,817
and answers questions? Yes, OK,

595
00:17:51,779 --> 00:17:57,251
awesome. OK. All right. Thanks,

596
00:17:53,748 --> 00:17:58,920
Morgan. Yeah. So on The other

597
00:17:55,883 --> 00:17:59,987
part of this is that When I

598
00:17:57,318 --> 00:18:02,023
wrote this brief and you looked

599
00:17:58,986 --> 00:18:03,191
at it probably over the weekend

600
00:18:00,054 --> 00:18:05,093
was, you know, I didn't want it

601
00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:07,595
to be a Saturday Night Live

602
00:18:03,257 --> 00:18:09,564
skit of Point Counterpoint for

603
00:18:05,159 --> 00:18:15,135
those of you old enough to

604
00:18:07,662 --> 00:18:21,809
remember that, OK, that's not,

605
00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:24,779
not the intent. Um, so, Oops.

606
00:18:15,202 --> 00:18:26,314
There we go. Quick. There we go

607
00:18:21,876 --> 00:18:27,482
OK, so Morgan provided hers.

608
00:18:24,846 --> 00:18:29,751
I'm just going to share with

609
00:18:26,381 --> 00:18:30,685
you some thoughts from the

610
00:18:27,548 --> 00:18:32,520
city's perspective, OK. Um,

611
00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:34,422
there were a few planning

612
00:18:30,752 --> 00:18:35,990
considerations that I think the

613
00:18:32,587 --> 00:18:37,692
council should take a look at

614
00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:39,827
before making a decision. So at

615
00:18:36,057 --> 00:18:42,597
the end of the day, I'm not

616
00:18:37,758 --> 00:18:44,298
here to sit there and say yay

617
00:18:39,894 --> 00:18:46,100
or nay, uh, I would just sit

618
00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:46,734
there and tell you that uh from

619
00:18:44,365 --> 00:18:51,339
a city perspective completely

620
00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:52,140
or from a public works

621
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:55,176
perspective, not a city, um,

622
00:18:51,405 --> 00:18:56,310
overall, I mean, we're very

623
00:18:52,206 --> 00:18:58,212
supportive of gleaners. I mean,

624
00:18:55,243 --> 00:19:00,181
what a positive impact that

625
00:18:56,377 --> 00:19:01,315
they have for our city and our

626
00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:02,083
residents. It's kind of hard to

627
00:19:00,248 --> 00:19:04,452
sit there and argue with what

628
00:19:01,382 --> 00:19:06,120
what they've done, um,

629
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:08,356
significant. impact on the food

630
00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:09,290
waste reductions, um, waste

631
00:19:06,187 --> 00:19:11,959
aversion impact on that and,

632
00:19:08,422 --> 00:19:13,327
and our environment, the

633
00:19:09,357 --> 00:19:15,096
financial relief to working

634
00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:16,831
families and farm farm families

635
00:19:13,394 --> 00:19:17,632
that are here, um, diverse

636
00:19:15,163 --> 00:19:19,200
outreach to a variety of

637
00:19:16,898 --> 00:19:21,702
marginalized communities, and

638
00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:23,437
then one thing you forgot, how

639
00:19:19,267 --> 00:19:27,274
about your community garden? OK

640
00:19:21,769 --> 00:19:30,544
Hey, you know, just to say, big

641
00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:31,945
fan. Mhm. But For the decision

642
00:19:27,341 --> 00:19:33,514
makers that are here, this is

643
00:19:30,611 --> 00:19:35,616
something that you have to

644
00:19:32,012 --> 00:19:37,151
consider, and I'll use just one

645
00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:38,552
example before we go in there.

646
00:19:35,682 --> 00:19:41,489
My town, city of Anacortes,

647
00:19:37,217 --> 00:19:42,490
where I live, just recently

648
00:19:38,619 --> 00:19:44,625
ended up repurchasing a piece

649
00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:47,094
of property that they sold low,

650
00:19:42,557 --> 00:19:48,963
and now they're buying high for

651
00:19:44,692 --> 00:19:51,899
$3 million in order to

652
00:19:47,161 --> 00:19:53,734
repurpose because 5 councils

653
00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:55,436
ago. Said they didn't need the

654
00:19:51,966 --> 00:19:56,503
land and surplused it. So what

655
00:19:53,801 --> 00:19:58,439
I would offer to you is that

656
00:19:55,503 --> 00:20:00,707
there should be probably some

657
00:19:56,570 --> 00:20:01,341
more conversation to be had

658
00:19:58,505 --> 00:20:03,710
because of the issues and

659
00:20:00,774 --> 00:20:05,580
concerns that Morgan has

660
00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:07,782
brought up. Although in my

661
00:20:03,777 --> 00:20:09,784
prior life I was a land use guy

662
00:20:05,646 --> 00:20:11,652
We really need to have

663
00:20:07,849 --> 00:20:12,854
development services involved.

664
00:20:09,851 --> 00:20:14,255
I have absolutely no idea on

665
00:20:11,719 --> 00:20:17,024
the parcel of property that's

666
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,192
there at a BLA, a boundary line

667
00:20:14,322 --> 00:20:19,594
adjustment, can be done to it.

668
00:20:17,091 --> 00:20:21,195
I don't know if it can be

669
00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:22,697
bifurcated if it already has.

670
00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:24,799
There's legalities that go

671
00:20:21,262 --> 00:20:26,200
along with this, that Chris

672
00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:27,635
Phillips has absolutely no idea

673
00:20:24,866 --> 00:20:28,503
But I think that would be

674
00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:30,872
something doing the due

675
00:20:27,702 --> 00:20:32,673
diligence that counsel would to

676
00:20:28,569 --> 00:20:34,008
direct the city to go to do

677
00:20:30,938 --> 00:20:35,810
that would be worthwhile. Um,

678
00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:37,712
another option in here too is

679
00:20:34,075 --> 00:20:39,480
when you're looking at that

680
00:20:35,876 --> 00:20:40,814
particular land. There may be.

681
00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:42,716
Other Things that are on that

682
00:20:39,547 --> 00:20:44,051
property that will require

683
00:20:40,881 --> 00:20:45,486
remediation at some point in

684
00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:47,187
time. That is part of the

685
00:20:44,118 --> 00:20:48,455
information that Morgan shared

686
00:20:45,552 --> 00:20:49,891
with you, but if the, as you

687
00:20:47,254 --> 00:20:50,625
guys know with the old seed

688
00:20:48,522 --> 00:20:54,529
factory, the reason we couldn't

689
00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:55,863
develop the southern end of

690
00:20:50,691 --> 00:20:56,597
that is because the property

691
00:20:54,595 --> 00:20:57,398
was hot, and what I mean by

692
00:20:55,930 --> 00:21:00,334
that, it had to be remediated,

693
00:20:56,664 --> 00:21:03,271
and there were certain things

694
00:20:57,465 --> 00:21:04,539
that had to be done with that,

695
00:21:00,401 --> 00:21:06,574
OK? So, what I offer to you

696
00:21:03,337 --> 00:21:08,976
here is just a few options,

697
00:21:04,605 --> 00:21:10,177
just. Chris Phillips' thinking

698
00:21:06,641 --> 00:21:10,878
and uh you can take it, what it

699
00:21:09,043 --> 00:21:13,213
is, but again, I would just say

700
00:21:10,244 --> 00:21:15,015
that further conversation would

701
00:21:10,944 --> 00:21:15,849
be required. City retained the

702
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,684
property and why do I mention

703
00:21:15,082 --> 00:21:19,319
about city retaining the

704
00:21:15,916 --> 00:21:20,420
property. Well, y'all are right

705
00:21:17,751 --> 00:21:22,256
in the middle of doing a

706
00:21:19,386 --> 00:21:23,090
comprehensive plan. We're

707
00:21:20,487 --> 00:21:24,791
looking 20 years down the road

708
00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:26,660
of what's happening. I shared

709
00:21:23,157 --> 00:21:28,762
with you last week when I

710
00:21:24,858 --> 00:21:30,063
talked to you at the Public

711
00:21:26,727 --> 00:21:32,166
Safety Committee meeting. We

712
00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:33,500
haven't hired a new employee in

713
00:21:30,130 --> 00:21:35,068
public works in 20 years. If

714
00:21:32,232 --> 00:21:36,303
you're going to be increasing

715
00:21:33,567 --> 00:21:37,638
the capacity of what it is that

716
00:21:35,135 --> 00:21:39,206
you're asking me or my

717
00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:40,474
predecessor to do, um, you're

718
00:21:37,704 --> 00:21:42,410
going to be sitting there

719
00:21:39,273 --> 00:21:45,879
taking a look at. More

720
00:21:40,541 --> 00:21:47,848
operations, more fleet Me

721
00:21:42,477 --> 00:21:50,751
mechanic, more solid waste and

722
00:21:45,946 --> 00:21:52,219
where are they going to be done

723
00:21:47,915 --> 00:21:53,887
? So as part of this, I would

724
00:21:50,818 --> 00:21:55,155
offer you a land use analysis

725
00:21:52,286 --> 00:21:56,924
would probably be a good

726
00:21:53,954 --> 00:21:58,092
portion of what you would

727
00:21:55,222 --> 00:21:59,727
require in here so that you can

728
00:21:56,990 --> 00:22:01,729
see what city owned land is in

729
00:21:58,158 --> 00:22:02,963
the area of the floodwall, and

730
00:21:59,793 --> 00:22:04,898
I do appreciate the 18

731
00:22:01,795 --> 00:22:05,666
containers being able to be

732
00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:08,402
stored on the eastern end of

733
00:22:04,965 --> 00:22:09,536
the property which is closest

734
00:22:05,733 --> 00:22:11,805
to the railroad, because right

735
00:22:08,469 --> 00:22:12,706
now you get the full experience

736
00:22:09,603 --> 00:22:14,775
of, of the rail. coming through

737
00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:16,977
as much as it does, so it would

738
00:22:12,773 --> 00:22:18,979
make sense to put them on the

739
00:22:14,842 --> 00:22:20,514
western side of the property.

740
00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:21,815
So I would just offer you that

741
00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:23,283
as, as another portion or

742
00:22:20,581 --> 00:22:24,852
another consideration. Um, the

743
00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:27,354
temporary relocation of flood

744
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:29,089
containers to the old public

745
00:22:24,918 --> 00:22:31,092
library. So for instance, if it

746
00:22:27,421 --> 00:22:34,829
was a 1 to 2 year gleaner

747
00:22:29,156 --> 00:22:35,696
deconstruction, reconstruction.

748
00:22:31,158 --> 00:22:37,798
We have an area to go ahead and

749
00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:39,266
put those 18 containers that

750
00:22:35,763 --> 00:22:41,535
actually help us out because

751
00:22:37,865 --> 00:22:43,437
it's closer to where the action

752
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:45,406
is, you know, to be able to do

753
00:22:41,602 --> 00:22:46,207
that. Second or lastly, there

754
00:22:43,504 --> 00:22:48,609
are some of the other parts, uh

755
00:22:45,473 --> 00:22:49,610
um, uh, keeping gleaners open,

756
00:22:46,273 --> 00:22:50,544
you know, with one of the

757
00:22:48,676 --> 00:22:51,612
options here, you could be

758
00:22:49,677 --> 00:22:53,948
working out of the old building

759
00:22:50,611 --> 00:22:55,916
While the new building is being

760
00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:58,085
built, the 18 containers come

761
00:22:54,014 --> 00:22:58,986
downtown once the new building

762
00:22:55,983 --> 00:23:02,490
is completed, you deconstruct

763
00:22:58,152 --> 00:23:04,392
the old building, make that a,

764
00:22:59,053 --> 00:23:05,626
you know, do some other parking

765
00:23:02,556 --> 00:23:06,293
that's in there, and then you

766
00:23:04,458 --> 00:23:08,963
can reposition the 18

767
00:23:05,693 --> 00:23:10,564
containers to their original

768
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:12,099
location and we kind of go that

769
00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:13,634
way. I did have in your

770
00:23:10,631 --> 00:23:14,502
presentation on Thursday, pro

771
00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:18,372
and con, and I thought pro and

772
00:23:13,701 --> 00:23:20,541
con was a little toothy, you

773
00:23:14,568 --> 00:23:22,476
know. How about some planning

774
00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:23,377
considerations, you know, this

775
00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:26,280
is for decision makers to make.

776
00:23:22,543 --> 00:23:27,982
Order some things to consider,

777
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:29,917
you know, gleaners continue to

778
00:23:26,347 --> 00:23:31,619
work out of the building as I

779
00:23:28,048 --> 00:23:33,320
just mentioned, you know, um.

780
00:23:29,984 --> 00:23:34,688
By doing this particular option

781
00:23:31,685 --> 00:23:35,456
it saves them rental fees from

782
00:23:33,387 --> 00:23:37,892
having to go and rent a

783
00:23:34,755 --> 00:23:39,493
facility for a period of time

784
00:23:35,523 --> 00:23:42,530
while construction is going on

785
00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:44,532
that may encumber them in a way

786
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:46,033
that they don't need to be. Um,

787
00:23:42,596 --> 00:23:47,301
the flood container storage is

788
00:23:44,598 --> 00:23:48,836
maintained. Hey, that's no

789
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:50,738
problem for me. I think again

790
00:23:47,368 --> 00:23:52,706
from the city perspective, you

791
00:23:48,903 --> 00:23:53,741
want to have them closer to the

792
00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:55,676
to the area where the action's

793
00:23:52,773 --> 00:23:57,311
going to be, and this option

794
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:58,412
would allow that. The city

795
00:23:55,743 --> 00:23:59,847
maintains property rights so

796
00:23:57,378 --> 00:24:01,715
that in the future, you know,

797
00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:03,384
the public works department,

798
00:23:59,914 --> 00:24:04,785
whether it's staff, facilities,

799
00:24:01,782 --> 00:24:05,753
equipment, and services that

800
00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:06,520
property can be repurposed,

801
00:24:04,852 --> 00:24:09,757
maybe on the eastern side for

802
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:11,892
something that the city would

803
00:24:06,587 --> 00:24:12,827
need. OK, so I think again you

804
00:24:09,824 --> 00:24:14,595
can get to yes. Um, there are

805
00:24:11,959 --> 00:24:15,930
other considerations and

806
00:24:12,893 --> 00:24:17,331
factors that are in there, um,

807
00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:18,131
personally, I think the

808
00:24:15,997 --> 00:24:19,867
outright sale would not

809
00:24:17,397 --> 00:24:22,536
necessarily be the best way to

810
00:24:18,198 --> 00:24:24,105
go and do business just because

811
00:24:19,934 --> 00:24:25,873
again, if you're looking to

812
00:24:22,603 --> 00:24:27,374
grow. I don't have anywhere

813
00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:30,777
else to grow to provide the

814
00:24:25,939 --> 00:24:32,379
support to what you all are

815
00:24:27,441 --> 00:24:33,814
desiring to do. Um, Another

816
00:24:30,844 --> 00:24:36,917
option or another consideration

817
00:24:32,446 --> 00:24:38,319
here too is future state

818
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,787
organic law impacts, OK? Just

819
00:24:36,984 --> 00:24:41,589
like Olympia is driving the

820
00:24:38,386 --> 00:24:43,557
Growth Management Act, much to

821
00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:44,258
your chagrin. They they are

822
00:24:41,656 --> 00:24:44,992
also doing the same thing with

823
00:24:43,624 --> 00:24:47,128
an unfunded requirement for

824
00:24:44,325 --> 00:24:48,795
organics, which you will be

825
00:24:45,059 --> 00:24:49,363
able to, will be presenting in

826
00:24:47,194 --> 00:24:54,334
the 2027-2020208 time frame for

827
00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:56,103
your dancing and dining

828
00:24:49,429 --> 00:24:57,137
pleasure, OK? We, we're, we're

829
00:24:54,401 --> 00:24:57,738
working on how to mitigate that

830
00:24:56,169 --> 00:25:00,006
as well because it's an

831
00:24:57,204 --> 00:25:01,975
unfunded requirement that's

832
00:24:57,804 --> 00:25:04,078
going to be coming to us as a

833
00:25:00,073 --> 00:25:05,246
city, our businesses, and our

834
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:07,448
Residence. Hm. Option two,

835
00:25:04,145 --> 00:25:08,949
again, a common theme here,

836
00:25:05,313 --> 00:25:12,319
city retained the property.

837
00:25:07,515 --> 00:25:13,687
Gleaner's old facility gets

838
00:25:09,016 --> 00:25:14,654
demoed. PW moves the containers

839
00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:16,157
to the eastern portion of the

840
00:25:13,754 --> 00:25:18,392
property. Cleaner's bills on

841
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:19,627
the western site, and then

842
00:25:16,223 --> 00:25:21,395
Gleaners opens, and this one,

843
00:25:18,459 --> 00:25:23,431
this is where we talk about

844
00:25:19,693 --> 00:25:25,266
them having to go somewhere to

845
00:25:21,462 --> 00:25:26,667
to rent a place for a few years

846
00:25:23,497 --> 00:25:28,302
while all this is going on.

847
00:25:25,332 --> 00:25:29,603
It's an option. It's not the

848
00:25:26,734 --> 00:25:31,372
preferred option, but it is an

849
00:25:28,369 --> 00:25:32,873
option that is out there. The

850
00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:34,875
flood container storage is

851
00:25:31,438 --> 00:25:35,943
maintained at the current

852
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:36,744
location so we don't have to

853
00:25:34,942 --> 00:25:40,047
actually move it, you know,

854
00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:40,948
downtown anywhere we could keep

855
00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:42,950
it right where it is. Cleaners

856
00:25:40,114 --> 00:25:44,785
would be required to rent space

857
00:25:41,015 --> 00:25:45,386
during the deconstruction

858
00:25:43,017 --> 00:25:46,086
construction phase, and then

859
00:25:44,852 --> 00:25:48,088
future commercial and

860
00:25:45,452 --> 00:25:48,789
residential development impacts

861
00:25:46,153 --> 00:25:52,393
I just again for your

862
00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:53,761
consideration, that hasn't

863
00:25:48,856 --> 00:25:56,430
changed from the first option.

864
00:25:52,459 --> 00:25:57,231
The next one is um city sells

865
00:25:53,827 --> 00:25:58,332
the property to gleaners as or

866
00:25:56,497 --> 00:26:01,302
leases it as some type of a

867
00:25:57,298 --> 00:26:04,838
public private partnership

868
00:25:58,398 --> 00:26:06,974
venture. OK, um. We looked at

869
00:26:01,368 --> 00:26:07,975
this in 2017 with all the

870
00:26:04,905 --> 00:26:09,410
parking spaces that are located

871
00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:11,745
up along the riverfront that

872
00:26:08,042 --> 00:26:12,413
once the Library Commons was

873
00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:15,315
done. This was when I was

874
00:26:11,812 --> 00:26:16,150
developing services director

875
00:26:12,479 --> 00:26:18,819
and getting into what does a

876
00:26:15,382 --> 00:26:19,887
PPP look like, and I'll just

877
00:26:16,216 --> 00:26:21,521
let you know, all roads. that

878
00:26:18,886 --> 00:26:23,991
gentleman right over there.

879
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:25,526
There are more legalities that

880
00:26:21,588 --> 00:26:26,260
go on with the public-private

881
00:26:24,057 --> 00:26:30,597
venture to better understand

882
00:26:25,592 --> 00:26:32,099
what are the impacts, what are

883
00:26:26,327 --> 00:26:34,468
the do's and don'ts. It, it's a

884
00:26:30,664 --> 00:26:36,370
very, I think, um, complicated

885
00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:37,237
and endeavor, not that it can't

886
00:26:34,535 --> 00:26:39,039
be done, but it's one that, if

887
00:26:36,436 --> 00:26:41,908
we consider that there are

888
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:44,044
legalities to take a look at

889
00:26:39,106 --> 00:26:46,246
from a contractual standpoint,

890
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:48,915
OK, from, from that perspective

891
00:26:44,111 --> 00:26:50,550
Um, the city ultimately loses

892
00:26:46,313 --> 00:26:51,385
again or possibly could lose

893
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:54,087
valuable property during the

894
00:26:50,617 --> 00:26:55,489
commercial and residential

895
00:26:51,451 --> 00:26:57,457
expansion. You have a decreased

896
00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:59,760
footprint for PW laydown sites

897
00:26:55,555 --> 00:27:01,228
for the future. So there are

898
00:26:57,524 --> 00:27:02,296
some concerns that come in that

899
00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:05,666
but like I said, this would be

900
00:27:01,295 --> 00:27:06,300
more of a, uh, probably some

901
00:27:02,362 --> 00:27:08,469
type of a multifaceted

902
00:27:05,732 --> 00:27:10,905
department conversation with

903
00:27:06,366 --> 00:27:11,505
the public and the council on

904
00:27:08,536 --> 00:27:14,241
how we go about doing this

905
00:27:10,971 --> 00:27:15,509
public-private venture. It

906
00:27:11,572 --> 00:27:17,511
would be the first time, as I'm

907
00:27:14,308 --> 00:27:19,379
aware, in the city of Mount

908
00:27:15,576 --> 00:27:20,880
Vernon that it would be done,

909
00:27:17,578 --> 00:27:23,751
and some of the things to

910
00:27:19,446 --> 00:27:25,519
consider here. OK, when we're

911
00:27:20,947 --> 00:27:26,954
looking at this is The

912
00:27:23,818 --> 00:27:28,322
financial risk and funding

913
00:27:25,586 --> 00:27:31,191
vulnerabilities because it is a

914
00:27:27,021 --> 00:27:33,460
joint type of a project, so

915
00:27:28,388 --> 00:27:34,928
there would be financial risk

916
00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:35,695
and vulnerability or um um yeah

917
00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:38,865
vulnerability that's associated

918
00:27:34,995 --> 00:27:40,100
with that, that maybe the city

919
00:27:35,762 --> 00:27:42,369
doesn't want to take on. But

920
00:27:38,932 --> 00:27:44,438
that is something to discuss,

921
00:27:40,167 --> 00:27:46,039
uh, it could have some mission

922
00:27:42,436 --> 00:27:47,574
creep. It could have some

923
00:27:44,504 --> 00:27:49,509
governance issues as related to

924
00:27:46,106 --> 00:27:50,277
that, but all would have to be

925
00:27:47,641 --> 00:27:51,879
spelled out. Legally with all

926
00:27:49,576 --> 00:27:55,149
the legalities that come to

927
00:27:50,344 --> 00:27:56,683
this. Bean use piece that I

928
00:27:51,945 --> 00:28:00,020
have to it, and then also

929
00:27:55,215 --> 00:28:02,656
contractual obligations. What

930
00:27:56,750 --> 00:28:04,391
we've done from PPP-like

931
00:28:00,087 --> 00:28:05,159
development, one can consider

932
00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:07,027
the YMCA, if you recall for

933
00:28:04,458 --> 00:28:10,931
those members who were on the

934
00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:12,399
board or counsel at that time,

935
00:28:07,093 --> 00:28:13,166
you know, we were looking at a

936
00:28:10,997 --> 00:28:13,934
donating of funds and things in

937
00:28:12,465 --> 00:28:17,370
there, and gosh, how legally

938
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:18,171
could we sit there and make

939
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,308
this contribution with getting

940
00:28:17,437 --> 00:28:22,876
something back for the public

941
00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:23,577
use. This is kind of in that

942
00:28:21,374 --> 00:28:25,779
essence of, you know, Mount

943
00:28:22,943 --> 00:28:27,113
Vernon residents received so

944
00:28:23,643 --> 00:28:28,348
many vouchers, so that they

945
00:28:25,846 --> 00:28:29,983
could go in and utilize the

946
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:31,218
YMCA. For the Mount Vernon

947
00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:36,157
Library Commons projects that

948
00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:38,225
both Julie is aware of and

949
00:28:31,284 --> 00:28:40,794
Kevin. The county. And Careful,

950
00:28:36,223 --> 00:28:43,296
all three. We basically, you

951
00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:44,898
know, in this condition the

952
00:28:40,861 --> 00:28:46,934
redevelopment of that county

953
00:28:43,363 --> 00:28:49,269
parking lot such that we, and I

954
00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:53,240
think it was a 10 year period

955
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:54,741
of time, had to basically build

956
00:28:49,336 --> 00:28:55,542
what we were going to build and

957
00:28:53,306 --> 00:28:56,877
put it to the use that we said

958
00:28:54,808 --> 00:28:57,911
contractually we were going to

959
00:28:55,609 --> 00:29:00,747
do, and if you recall, Kevin

960
00:28:56,943 --> 00:29:02,115
was asking on numerous public

961
00:28:57,978 --> 00:29:03,083
works committee meetings of

962
00:29:00,814 --> 00:29:06,920
when are we done, Chris, so

963
00:29:02,182 --> 00:29:08,555
that he could do the language

964
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:10,090
back to the county so that we

965
00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:10,958
own the property now. There's

966
00:29:08,622 --> 00:29:13,393
something that's similarly

967
00:29:10,157 --> 00:29:14,761
could be done in this regard

968
00:29:11,024 --> 00:29:17,030
with that, but again, Similar

969
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:20,067
And this would have to be, you

970
00:29:14,828 --> 00:29:21,668
know, vetted out by the council

971
00:29:17,097 --> 00:29:23,303
with direction to city staff as

972
00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:25,171
well as partnering with the

973
00:29:21,735 --> 00:29:27,407
gleaners is. How does that look

974
00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:28,141
? And quite frankly, I don't

975
00:29:25,238 --> 00:29:31,345
know. But it is something that

976
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:32,346
you should consider, in my

977
00:29:28,208 --> 00:29:33,314
opinion. The risks again, you

978
00:29:31,412 --> 00:29:35,449
got the contractual obligations

979
00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:37,217
You've got long term

980
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:39,520
commitments. I use my example

981
00:29:35,516 --> 00:29:41,988
with uh with Can't Afford Us,

982
00:29:37,284 --> 00:29:44,291
you know, what was it $300,000

983
00:29:39,587 --> 00:29:46,293
sell ended up being a $3

984
00:29:42,055 --> 00:29:47,894
million buy. Wow, that's not

985
00:29:44,357 --> 00:29:49,429
the way that you would like to

986
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,697
go and do business, nor would

987
00:29:47,961 --> 00:29:52,399
you probably like counsel's,

988
00:29:49,496 --> 00:29:53,533
you know, maybe 10 years from

989
00:29:50,764 --> 00:29:55,035
now looking back at the

990
00:29:52,465 --> 00:29:56,703
decisions that you make and the

991
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,138
diligence that took into that.

992
00:29:55,101 --> 00:29:58,872
I just ask you for that

993
00:29:56,770 --> 00:30:00,440
consideration. There could be

994
00:29:58,205 --> 00:30:02,475
performance metrics that are

995
00:29:58,939 --> 00:30:04,044
provided with that again with

996
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,612
the number of services that

997
00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:07,447
that they provide, and then it

998
00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:09,817
has to be, in my opinion, fully

999
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:11,085
transparent with the public.

1000
00:30:07,514 --> 00:30:12,319
Cool, open kimono, if you will.

1001
00:30:09,884 --> 00:30:15,355
Sorry for the analogy there.

1002
00:30:11,151 --> 00:30:16,056
Public hearings have to be in

1003
00:30:12,386 --> 00:30:19,893
there. And it has to be clear

1004
00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:21,094
communication with partnership

1005
00:30:16,123 --> 00:30:23,029
with not only us, the city, and

1006
00:30:19,959 --> 00:30:24,864
gleaners, but also the public

1007
00:30:21,161 --> 00:30:25,832
we serve. They have, they have

1008
00:30:23,096 --> 00:30:27,500
to know what's going on with

1009
00:30:24,931 --> 00:30:29,035
that and have a viable voice

1010
00:30:25,899 --> 00:30:31,171
with that as well. And with

1011
00:30:27,567 --> 00:30:34,508
that, That's what I have for

1012
00:30:29,102 --> 00:30:37,211
you, and we, Can you standing

1013
00:30:31,238 --> 00:30:38,312
up here ready for any questions

1014
00:30:34,575 --> 00:30:40,948
that you may have, um. Which

1015
00:30:37,277 --> 00:30:42,449
could also include further

1016
00:30:38,378 --> 00:30:44,284
conversation at other committee

1017
00:30:41,014 --> 00:30:45,819
meetings in the future. Who

1018
00:30:42,516 --> 00:30:48,655
wants to go first? Who has a

1019
00:30:44,351 --> 00:30:50,824
question to start with? Noor,

1020
00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:53,193
go ahead. Um, I like, I like

1021
00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:55,629
this game of, uh, let's throw

1022
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:58,699
out pipe dreams and see what,

1023
00:30:53,260 --> 00:31:00,634
what sticks, um. One of the

1024
00:30:55,696 --> 00:31:03,470
things that that I have always

1025
00:30:58,766 --> 00:31:08,742
wondered about. Traveling down

1026
00:31:00,701 --> 00:31:10,276
I-5 and looking to the east and

1027
00:31:03,536 --> 00:31:12,413
seeing. Our city shop there. I

1028
00:31:08,808 --> 00:31:13,913
always cringe a little bit, and

1029
00:31:10,343 --> 00:31:17,984
I, I imagine, I wonder what it

1030
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:20,354
would be like to drive into

1031
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:22,656
Bellingham on the Samish exit.

1032
00:31:18,051 --> 00:31:26,993
And see the Bellingham City

1033
00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:31,631
shop there. How different that

1034
00:31:22,723 --> 00:31:36,302
would be. To see that, and um,

1035
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:38,305
When, when I see that property.

1036
00:31:31,698 --> 00:31:39,906
I imagine. Some high rises,

1037
00:31:36,369 --> 00:31:42,009
pedestrian boulevard. Having,

1038
00:31:38,371 --> 00:31:45,412
you know, because we know we

1039
00:31:39,973 --> 00:31:47,714
want more densification. We

1040
00:31:42,076 --> 00:31:49,817
know we want to drive. Uh,

1041
00:31:45,478 --> 00:31:52,720
residents to our downtown.

1042
00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:54,388
Having that walkability, having

1043
00:31:49,883 --> 00:31:56,122
that access to the riverwalk to

1044
00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:58,925
everything we have downtown

1045
00:31:54,455 --> 00:32:01,527
there, um, certainly we would

1046
00:31:56,189 --> 00:32:03,263
have to find another place for

1047
00:31:58,992 --> 00:32:04,297
our shop, and I'm going to take

1048
00:32:01,594 --> 00:32:09,002
advantage of having one of the

1049
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:09,636
commissioners here, but I

1050
00:32:04,364 --> 00:32:11,905
certainly could imagine a

1051
00:32:09,069 --> 00:32:12,872
scenario where we could buy

1052
00:32:09,702 --> 00:32:15,808
some of the county fairgrounds,

1053
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:16,476
and they could find another

1054
00:32:12,939 --> 00:32:19,412
spot for, for a new and

1055
00:32:15,875 --> 00:32:22,048
improved fairgrounds, um, and

1056
00:32:16,543 --> 00:32:24,384
so. I'm throwing all of my pipe

1057
00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:27,121
dreams out there. That is a,

1058
00:32:22,115 --> 00:32:28,956
that is, but I certainly, I

1059
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:31,658
certainly would hope that we

1060
00:32:27,187 --> 00:32:33,192
can envision a Mount Vernon

1061
00:32:29,022 --> 00:32:37,330
without having our city shop in

1062
00:32:31,724 --> 00:32:38,865
that location. Cause like I

1063
00:32:33,259 --> 00:32:40,733
said, I, I just, I see it and I

1064
00:32:37,397 --> 00:32:42,569
cringe that that's if you're

1065
00:32:38,932 --> 00:32:44,671
threatening me with having a

1066
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,273
brand new public works facility

1067
00:32:42,636 --> 00:32:49,876
that's down on the county

1068
00:32:44,738 --> 00:32:51,644
grounds. You can count me in.

1069
00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:54,514
So that's, that's my pipe dream

1070
00:32:49,943 --> 00:32:56,183
that I will throw out there. Go

1071
00:32:51,711 --> 00:32:57,718
ahead, Andrew. Um, and I hope

1072
00:32:54,581 --> 00:32:59,119
this is OK. Um, I don't know

1073
00:32:56,250 --> 00:33:00,354
where the rest of the council's

1074
00:32:57,784 --> 00:33:01,655
at, and I, I know that we're

1075
00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:03,223
not going to do a boat and

1076
00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:04,525
we're not going to do any of,

1077
00:33:01,722 --> 00:33:06,026
any of that official sort of

1078
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:07,694
business, um, as far as I'm

1079
00:33:04,591 --> 00:33:08,428
concerned, I would be ready to

1080
00:33:06,093 --> 00:33:12,699
start down pathways to see if

1081
00:33:07,761 --> 00:33:14,234
gleaners could take this over,

1082
00:33:08,495 --> 00:33:15,435
and I'd be interested in how we

1083
00:33:12,766 --> 00:33:16,637
do that. And so if the rest of

1084
00:33:14,301 --> 00:33:17,638
council wants to do that, I'd

1085
00:33:15,502 --> 00:33:19,673
be interested in in knowing

1086
00:33:16,703 --> 00:33:21,141
that or not. Basically I'm

1087
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:25,412
seeing if we got 4 votes to to

1088
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:28,281
continue down this pathway or

1089
00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:29,916
not. Well, OK. Anybody else?

1090
00:33:25,478 --> 00:33:31,718
Respectfully, go ahead, thank

1091
00:33:28,348 --> 00:33:34,454
you for asking that question,

1092
00:33:29,983 --> 00:33:37,958
Andrew. I feel like we are in a

1093
00:33:31,784 --> 00:33:39,893
very, very, very early stages,

1094
00:33:34,521 --> 00:33:41,228
and for me, that's moving a

1095
00:33:38,024 --> 00:33:44,998
little fast, but that's just me

1096
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:47,600
I, I just, we need to take a

1097
00:33:41,294 --> 00:33:50,103
look at the city's property.

1098
00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:51,070
And really figure out. Where we

1099
00:33:47,667 --> 00:33:52,839
can do all this. Navvo, I agree

1100
00:33:50,169 --> 00:33:54,607
with you. I came on council and

1101
00:33:51,137 --> 00:33:58,445
thought, let's move this. Let's

1102
00:33:52,905 --> 00:34:00,881
move, you know, the city shop

1103
00:33:54,674 --> 00:34:02,716
away from the, the freeway, but

1104
00:33:58,511 --> 00:34:04,017
Where? That's, you know, that's

1105
00:34:00,947 --> 00:34:06,086
part of the problem. I don't

1106
00:34:02,782 --> 00:34:07,954
want to see cleaners go

1107
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:10,690
anywhere. The work that they do

1108
00:34:06,152 --> 00:34:12,025
and, and Morgan is absolutely

1109
00:34:08,021 --> 00:34:14,661
phenomenal. Um, So I just, but

1110
00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:16,229
I do just feel like it's a

1111
00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:18,164
little soon for me. Oh sure,

1112
00:34:14,728 --> 00:34:19,532
and I respectfully, that's one

1113
00:34:16,296 --> 00:34:24,438
vote. That's perfect. So I

1114
00:34:18,231 --> 00:34:26,206
think I have 2, is anybody else

1115
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:28,174
willing to Oh, I would like to

1116
00:34:24,504 --> 00:34:30,110
know a little bit more about

1117
00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:31,578
the boundary line and what else

1118
00:34:28,241 --> 00:34:33,246
is there. So like. There is

1119
00:34:30,176 --> 00:34:34,881
something that pops up. I would

1120
00:34:31,645 --> 00:34:37,183
like to have a little bit more.

1121
00:34:33,313 --> 00:34:39,052
Research on the property just

1122
00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:41,354
to make sure something doesn't

1123
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:42,255
pop up because I would hate for

1124
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:44,791
to say, OK, Morgan, go for it,

1125
00:34:41,421 --> 00:34:46,693
and then something else pops up

1126
00:34:42,322 --> 00:34:48,828
or we find out we can't do it

1127
00:34:44,858 --> 00:34:52,299
or there's some other impact

1128
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:53,200
I'd like to dig into it a

1129
00:34:48,895 --> 00:34:57,003
little bit farther. And then

1130
00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:59,506
You know, make our decisions

1131
00:34:53,267 --> 00:35:01,541
from there, but Yes, I mean,

1132
00:34:57,070 --> 00:35:03,343
I'm all for like. Moving the

1133
00:34:59,572 --> 00:35:04,577
fairgrounds to see Willy and

1134
00:35:01,607 --> 00:35:08,248
move in some other stuff like,

1135
00:35:03,409 --> 00:35:11,985
if we're gonna get on there,

1136
00:35:04,644 --> 00:35:14,220
then property we don't own.

1137
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:19,259
Exactly you here here? I am. I,

1138
00:35:12,052 --> 00:35:21,694
I, and, Randy, did you wanna

1139
00:35:14,287 --> 00:35:22,729
pipe in? Yeah, so I think we're

1140
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:25,966
at this point looking at what

1141
00:35:21,761 --> 00:35:28,335
possible options are. And I

1142
00:35:22,795 --> 00:35:30,770
don't I don't think we're any

1143
00:35:26,032 --> 00:35:32,739
of them are mature enough to.

1144
00:35:28,402 --> 00:35:34,140
For me to have any weight on.

1145
00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:36,243
You know, at this point, they

1146
00:35:32,806 --> 00:35:38,678
all sound like good options. So

1147
00:35:34,207 --> 00:35:46,386
I think We learned more and

1148
00:35:36,309 --> 00:35:47,754
maybe they get narrowed a

1149
00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:49,555
little bit. Mhm. Hannah. Um, Um

1150
00:35:46,452 --> 00:35:51,224
I mean, I, I'm obviously fine

1151
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:53,659
with learning more. Maybe we

1152
00:35:49,622 --> 00:35:55,495
can get something on the

1153
00:35:51,291 --> 00:35:58,765
schedule with Steve or Kevin or

1154
00:35:53,726 --> 00:36:00,400
somebody to talk about the

1155
00:35:55,562 --> 00:36:04,738
options. Um um, I am Open to

1156
00:35:58,831 --> 00:36:07,107
selling it to cleaners, I think

1157
00:36:00,467 --> 00:36:09,475
it would be. A huge loss if

1158
00:36:04,804 --> 00:36:12,746
gleaners went to Burlington or

1159
00:36:07,173 --> 00:36:15,548
see Julie or Some other city

1160
00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:17,817
this not as good, um, I also

1161
00:36:12,813 --> 00:36:20,186
want to say I do not support

1162
00:36:15,615 --> 00:36:22,489
the fairgrounds going to any

1163
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:23,256
other city. People in Mount

1164
00:36:20,253 --> 00:36:25,058
Vernon. Um, and then, so I'll

1165
00:36:22,556 --> 00:36:27,327
say that I too very much

1166
00:36:23,323 --> 00:36:29,429
support the cleaners. I

1167
00:36:25,125 --> 00:36:31,397
volunteer. I, I'm there. I was

1168
00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:32,465
there today volunteering, so I

1169
00:36:29,496 --> 00:36:35,636
know the constraints of the

1170
00:36:31,464 --> 00:36:36,837
building and what they could do

1171
00:36:32,532 --> 00:36:38,171
with a bigger building. We are

1172
00:36:35,702 --> 00:36:40,040
also charged with being good

1173
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:41,942
stewards of Mount for Mount

1174
00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:45,178
Vernon, the entire city of

1175
00:36:40,107 --> 00:36:46,346
Mount Vernon and their property

1176
00:36:42,009 --> 00:36:48,682
Um, I I am not at the point

1177
00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:50,117
where we have to be cognizant

1178
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:50,784
of also the work that we've

1179
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:54,053
already got on the plates, our

1180
00:36:50,183 --> 00:36:55,788
development services and our

1181
00:36:50,851 --> 00:36:57,223
city attorney. We we can't just

1182
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,824
keep adding things without

1183
00:36:55,855 --> 00:37:00,426
taking something away, so we

1184
00:36:57,290 --> 00:37:02,128
have to be really cognizant of

1185
00:36:58,891 --> 00:37:03,262
what we're asking them to do. I

1186
00:37:00,493 --> 00:37:05,431
certainly want to have more

1187
00:37:02,194 --> 00:37:06,799
discussions. I want to know

1188
00:37:03,329 --> 00:37:08,100
more about the land. I want to

1189
00:37:05,498 --> 00:37:09,602
know, uh, how this, how this

1190
00:37:06,866 --> 00:37:11,270
might magically work for both

1191
00:37:08,167 --> 00:37:12,939
of us because I don't want you

1192
00:37:09,669 --> 00:37:14,774
to move either, Morgan. So, um,

1193
00:37:11,337 --> 00:37:16,142
but I just want to make sure.

1194
00:37:13,005 --> 00:37:18,144
We have to be doing what's the

1195
00:37:14,841 --> 00:37:19,979
best for the city. Yeah, that's

1196
00:37:16,209 --> 00:37:21,681
our, that's our charge um as a

1197
00:37:18,211 --> 00:37:23,917
council. So we do need, we need

1198
00:37:20,046 --> 00:37:28,054
to do a lot more investigation

1199
00:37:21,748 --> 00:37:29,823
and a lot more studying, but

1200
00:37:23,984 --> 00:37:31,091
it's certainly very um.

1201
00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:32,959
Intriguing and exciting to

1202
00:37:29,890 --> 00:37:35,261
think about. Yes, sir, if I

1203
00:37:31,158 --> 00:37:39,132
could offer. That's something

1204
00:37:33,025 --> 00:37:40,667
here would be. Um, it is budget

1205
00:37:35,328 --> 00:37:42,669
season. Although this is a

1206
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,403
wonderful conversation. I think

1207
00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:44,137
I think Doug, oh, there we go,

1208
00:37:42,735 --> 00:37:48,542
my colleague Doug Valuski would

1209
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:50,844
say, I think over the next

1210
00:37:44,204 --> 00:37:51,778
probably 1, you all will have

1211
00:37:48,608 --> 00:37:53,313
every Wednesday talking budget.

1212
00:37:50,911 --> 00:37:54,981
What I would offer to you if

1213
00:37:51,845 --> 00:37:57,150
counsel is amenable would be

1214
00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:59,986
the Public Works Committee

1215
00:37:55,048 --> 00:38:02,489
meeting in December. It's the

1216
00:37:57,217 --> 00:38:03,890
2nd Wednesday in December that

1217
00:38:00,052 --> 00:38:06,359
we could come back if you have

1218
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:07,894
questions, I would please

1219
00:38:03,957 --> 00:38:09,095
encourage you to email me with

1220
00:38:06,426 --> 00:38:10,997
those questions are. I do have

1221
00:38:07,961 --> 00:38:12,465
the boundary line adjustment,

1222
00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:13,499
the property, the land use

1223
00:38:11,064 --> 00:38:15,635
analysis piece to it. If

1224
00:38:12,532 --> 00:38:17,036
there's any other council

1225
00:38:13,566 --> 00:38:18,605
member that has other things

1226
00:38:15,702 --> 00:38:20,774
that you would like counsel to

1227
00:38:17,103 --> 00:38:21,842
research, I'm sorry. He for

1228
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:23,944
research. City staff to

1229
00:38:20,841 --> 00:38:25,912
research we that, that gives us

1230
00:38:21,908 --> 00:38:27,214
an opportunity while you're

1231
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:28,915
deliberating budget to be able

1232
00:38:25,979 --> 00:38:31,251
to do some of the fact finding,

1233
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,086
we can tee it back up on

1234
00:38:28,982 --> 00:38:35,088
December, whatever that is, and

1235
00:38:31,318 --> 00:38:38,158
that 2nd Wednesday. And we can

1236
00:38:33,153 --> 00:38:39,659
have a conversation about that

1237
00:38:35,155 --> 00:38:41,160
and then to Council member

1238
00:38:38,225 --> 00:38:42,328
Hudson's Point, we can put it

1239
00:38:39,725 --> 00:38:44,096
into a work plan. We could

1240
00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:45,598
actually get some traction

1241
00:38:42,395 --> 00:38:47,300
behind what it is that we're

1242
00:38:44,163 --> 00:38:49,202
looking to do. Love the

1243
00:38:45,665 --> 00:38:50,570
conceptual drawings. Trichovas

1244
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:52,372
here, the building and the cost

1245
00:38:49,269 --> 00:38:53,406
estimates, Lord knows that's

1246
00:38:50,637 --> 00:38:54,674
not going to get any cheaper

1247
00:38:52,438 --> 00:38:56,242
between now and 5 years from

1248
00:38:53,473 --> 00:38:56,876
now with the fundraising that

1249
00:38:54,741 --> 00:38:58,811
we go on to it, but at least

1250
00:38:56,309 --> 00:38:59,512
counsel will have an

1251
00:38:56,943 --> 00:39:03,583
opportunity because the

1252
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:04,817
comprehensive plan should be

1253
00:38:59,579 --> 00:39:05,551
done by then. You will have

1254
00:39:03,649 --> 00:39:08,020
that option of being able to

1255
00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:09,989
factor in some of the other

1256
00:39:05,618 --> 00:39:11,023
things that are associated with

1257
00:39:08,087 --> 00:39:12,725
it, and then we can come back

1258
00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:13,492
to you and kind of go through

1259
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:16,029
that on a, a nice, maybe every

1260
00:39:12,792 --> 00:39:17,730
other month type of battle

1261
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:19,699
rhythm to Get to some point

1262
00:39:16,095 --> 00:39:20,767
where you all make a decision

1263
00:39:17,797 --> 00:39:23,002
about that. Morgan, would I,

1264
00:39:19,766 --> 00:39:24,170
would it be fair for me to say

1265
00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:25,939
that people could reach out to

1266
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:27,674
you as well with quip, any

1267
00:39:24,237 --> 00:39:29,242
questions they have? Yeah,

1268
00:39:26,005 --> 00:39:30,543
absolutely. So our whole

1269
00:39:27,741 --> 00:39:32,578
feasibility plan up to this

1270
00:39:29,309 --> 00:39:36,149
point was just to see if

1271
00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:37,016
building on our on the existing

1272
00:39:32,645 --> 00:39:39,185
land was possible, um,

1273
00:39:36,215 --> 00:39:43,123
depending on the vibe of

1274
00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:43,823
tonight, we were going to move

1275
00:39:39,252 --> 00:39:45,392
to research other possible

1276
00:39:43,189 --> 00:39:46,693
locations to see where that

1277
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:48,061
might be. We did some

1278
00:39:45,458 --> 00:39:50,363
preliminary research. Nothing

1279
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,598
in Mount Vernon, totally met

1280
00:39:48,128 --> 00:39:53,366
our needs, so we. We were

1281
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:54,801
looking at Burlington, um, so

1282
00:39:51,665 --> 00:39:56,903
like the sooner the better we

1283
00:39:53,433 --> 00:39:59,005
get that guidance so then we

1284
00:39:54,868 --> 00:40:01,474
can continue on with our 55

1285
00:39:56,969 --> 00:40:03,510
year long capital campaign, but

1286
00:39:59,071 --> 00:40:04,878
I'm also very interested in in

1287
00:40:01,541 --> 00:40:08,315
learning more as well if there

1288
00:40:03,576 --> 00:40:10,116
is another, you know, if there

1289
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:12,718
is a way that we could work out

1290
00:40:08,381 --> 00:40:14,187
being on city land still and

1291
00:40:10,183 --> 00:40:15,254
and making it collaborative, my

1292
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:16,689
only hesitancy with that is

1293
00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:17,390
that sometimes that makes it

1294
00:40:15,321 --> 00:40:20,827
really hard to get capital

1295
00:40:16,756 --> 00:40:23,029
grant funding from the state

1296
00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:24,697
because we have. To own the

1297
00:40:20,893 --> 00:40:25,965
land. So that is just one

1298
00:40:23,096 --> 00:40:27,934
consideration unless the city

1299
00:40:24,764 --> 00:40:30,670
wants to like give us some tax

1300
00:40:26,032 --> 00:40:32,638
money to pay like then then,

1301
00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:34,740
you know, like that's just like

1302
00:40:30,737 --> 00:40:35,441
there are exceptions like if we

1303
00:40:32,705 --> 00:40:38,044
get, if we get like tied into

1304
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,844
like a 100 year lease or

1305
00:40:35,508 --> 00:40:41,280
something like that, where it

1306
00:40:38,110 --> 00:40:42,548
shows that we're gonna be able

1307
00:40:38,911 --> 00:40:43,349
to keep the space for a while,

1308
00:40:41,347 --> 00:40:45,684
so yeah, but those are all

1309
00:40:42,615 --> 00:40:48,387
things that that we just need

1310
00:40:43,416 --> 00:40:49,922
to like talk about more. Did I

1311
00:40:45,751 --> 00:40:51,924
answer your question? I don't

1312
00:40:48,454 --> 00:40:53,893
know you did. I, I just wanna

1313
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:55,194
make sure you're, and I, I have

1314
00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:56,962
no doubt You were. I just

1315
00:40:53,959 --> 00:40:57,963
wanted to clarify that you were

1316
00:40:55,261 --> 00:40:59,698
available for questions too.

1317
00:40:57,029 --> 00:41:01,567
And if I'm getting community

1318
00:40:58,030 --> 00:41:02,902
questions or questions from

1319
00:40:59,765 --> 00:41:03,803
counsel just full transparency.

1320
00:41:01,634 --> 00:41:05,371
I will make sure that I share

1321
00:41:02,968 --> 00:41:08,107
them with Morgan so she could

1322
00:41:03,869 --> 00:41:09,642
see what the question is, what

1323
00:41:05,438 --> 00:41:11,444
the due diligence was behind it

1324
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:13,746
And after some time, what the

1325
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:15,114
actual response is.. And then

1326
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:17,249
that can be factored in as well

1327
00:41:13,813 --> 00:41:18,784
So fully open as far as the

1328
00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:20,753
communication piece goes. Any

1329
00:41:17,316 --> 00:41:21,887
other, uh, go ahead, Anna. I

1330
00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:23,222
just want to thank you both for

1331
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:25,558
your presentations and thank

1332
00:41:21,954 --> 00:41:28,561
the couple of Gleaner's board

1333
00:41:23,289 --> 00:41:30,730
members that are here in the

1334
00:41:25,624 --> 00:41:32,131
crowd. Thank you. Thank you

1335
00:41:28,628 --> 00:41:33,432
Thank you you Thank you. Thanks

1336
00:41:30,796 --> 00:41:35,268
Morgan. to, yeah, look forward

1337
00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:42,074
to working in the future, yeah.

1338
00:41:33,499 --> 00:41:44,076
Morgan, are you coming back for

1339
00:41:35,334 --> 00:41:44,911
1590? Uh, yeah. Excellent. So

1340
00:41:42,141 --> 00:41:46,345
council member Hudson, I will

1341
00:41:44,143 --> 00:41:47,213
let you know just because I

1342
00:41:44,977 --> 00:41:49,115
thought we might get done a

1343
00:41:46,412 --> 00:41:50,082
little bit early I do have some

1344
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,551
the rest of the, I don't, I

1345
00:41:49,181 --> 00:41:54,654
don't have my entourage behind

1346
00:41:50,149 --> 00:41:55,655
me. You just got me. It's just

1347
00:41:52,618 --> 00:41:57,490
for you. But I can, I can

1348
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:00,493
muscle through the next 20

1349
00:41:55,721 --> 00:42:02,028
minutes with the update from

1350
00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:05,097
Blaine as well as my update and

1351
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:06,032
Frank's update. You've got 15

1352
00:42:02,094 --> 00:42:08,935
minutes. You got it. go go, OK.

1353
00:42:05,164 --> 00:42:10,570
So, update on the library

1354
00:42:06,098 --> 00:42:12,639
comments. Just. Yeah. Real

1355
00:42:09,002 --> 00:42:14,440
quick. Oh, is that. Hm. Uh, as

1356
00:42:10,637 --> 00:42:18,044
we talked about last, Week, 4th

1357
00:42:12,705 --> 00:42:19,612
floor traffic coating complete.

1358
00:42:14,507 --> 00:42:21,748
The rotating, and I had a good

1359
00:42:18,111 --> 00:42:23,149
conversation with Julie on neon

1360
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:25,118
and what we're doing with the

1361
00:42:21,814 --> 00:42:27,420
neon subcontractor because that

1362
00:42:23,216 --> 00:42:28,521
is the one hanging chad that is

1363
00:42:25,185 --> 00:42:30,490
out there. Going back to that

1364
00:42:27,487 --> 00:42:32,058
Gore Bush thing in Florida

1365
00:42:28,588 --> 00:42:35,795
anyway, so that's what we got

1366
00:42:30,557 --> 00:42:37,430
going there. The wastewater

1367
00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:39,699
rate study we went through this

1368
00:42:35,862 --> 00:42:41,200
I just want to make sure that.

1369
00:42:37,497 --> 00:42:43,503
Counsel's direction for me was

1370
00:42:39,766 --> 00:42:45,938
counsel approve. Counsel would

1371
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:49,041
like me to bring to counsel.

1372
00:42:43,570 --> 00:42:50,410
Full city council at the next

1373
00:42:46,005 --> 00:42:54,179
city council meeting, scenario

1374
00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:54,813
5 with the quarterly water

1375
00:42:50,477 --> 00:42:57,850
worth updates that we talked

1376
00:42:54,246 --> 00:42:59,251
about during last week's

1377
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,920
meeting. And then the other one

1378
00:42:57,917 --> 00:43:03,223
with the connection fees was

1379
00:42:59,318 --> 00:43:04,524
basically. When we got to it,

1380
00:43:00,987 --> 00:43:06,892
the one slide that I

1381
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:08,094
inadvertently did not select,

1382
00:43:04,591 --> 00:43:10,997
which I wasn't sure. Council

1383
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:11,998
member Beaten that this is what

1384
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,400
you were looking for or were

1385
00:43:11,063 --> 00:43:15,367
you looking more for the impact

1386
00:43:12,064 --> 00:43:19,238
study piece, like for all

1387
00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:20,806
impact fees, but this gives you

1388
00:43:15,434 --> 00:43:22,808
the breakdown of where our

1389
00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:24,244
current connection fee is on

1390
00:43:20,873 --> 00:43:25,812
the far left. What would be the

1391
00:43:22,875 --> 00:43:28,080
max allowed, and from what I

1392
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:30,650
heard from counsel last week

1393
00:43:25,878 --> 00:43:34,620
was they would like to pursue

1394
00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:37,056
increasing the connection fee.

1395
00:43:30,717 --> 00:43:38,624
By $1000 next year. The next 2

1396
00:43:34,687 --> 00:43:39,993
years or the next 2 years, OK.

1397
00:43:37,123 --> 00:43:41,895
1000 for the next two years,

1398
00:43:38,691 --> 00:43:44,030
and we can reevaluate at that

1399
00:43:40,059 --> 00:43:46,266
particular time with the

1400
00:43:41,961 --> 00:43:48,600
development that is going on.

1401
00:43:44,097 --> 00:43:51,204
Is that an appropriate number

1402
00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:53,807
or not, but this gives you the

1403
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:55,408
the other comparison cities

1404
00:43:51,271 --> 00:43:58,044
that are around of where their

1405
00:43:53,873 --> 00:43:58,811
particular fees are, and one of

1406
00:43:55,475 --> 00:44:00,980
the questions that did come up

1407
00:43:58,111 --> 00:44:02,649
was Anna Cortes and how they

1408
00:43:58,878 --> 00:44:04,284
got their number, and I shared

1409
00:44:01,047 --> 00:44:06,486
that with you as well that

1410
00:44:02,715 --> 00:44:08,321
Consultant provided. Anacortes

1411
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:10,423
of city council dismissed the

1412
00:44:06,553 --> 00:44:13,993
consultant, and they came up

1413
00:44:08,388 --> 00:44:15,160
with that particular fee. For

1414
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:16,696
them. So that's what I had

1415
00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:18,965
right there and marry what I

1416
00:44:15,227 --> 00:44:21,867
need or council member Hudson,

1417
00:44:16,763 --> 00:44:23,269
what I need to add to this is

1418
00:44:19,032 --> 00:44:25,238
not only 2027, but 2028 as well

1419
00:44:21,934 --> 00:44:27,273
And then the second bullet

1420
00:44:23,335 --> 00:44:29,909
would be, we would come back

1421
00:44:25,305 --> 00:44:31,511
and dialogue in 2028. To

1422
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:34,146
discuss what this future

1423
00:44:29,976 --> 00:44:35,681
connection fees look like for

1424
00:44:31,577 --> 00:44:37,650
2029 with the water, yes you

1425
00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:39,819
had something. Can you go back

1426
00:44:35,748 --> 00:44:42,255
to that one slide, please, that

1427
00:44:37,716 --> 00:44:43,122
one. So, so what popped into my

1428
00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:45,057
head over the weekend, and, and

1429
00:44:42,321 --> 00:44:46,659
I know just like I know each

1430
00:44:43,189 --> 00:44:48,928
city in the county is very,

1431
00:44:45,124 --> 00:44:51,331
very different when we get

1432
00:44:46,726 --> 00:44:53,533
compared to the various cities.

1433
00:44:48,995 --> 00:44:54,734
Um, but I look at like Everett,

1434
00:44:51,397 --> 00:44:57,169
um, which is a larger city, and

1435
00:44:53,600 --> 00:45:03,042
I don't understand how are they

1436
00:44:54,801 --> 00:45:04,510
getting away with 4274. Which

1437
00:44:57,236 --> 00:45:05,611
is More than half. Less I mean,

1438
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:07,513
I see where I'm going with this

1439
00:45:04,577 --> 00:45:09,515
I'm just trying to understand.

1440
00:45:05,678 --> 00:45:11,450
I know there's a whole formula

1441
00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:13,820
that we came up with, and that

1442
00:45:09,582 --> 00:45:16,389
may be the rationale behind it

1443
00:45:11,517 --> 00:45:17,657
is when you take a look at the

1444
00:45:13,886 --> 00:45:19,492
definitions that we had in here

1445
00:45:16,456 --> 00:45:21,627
and what the buy-in is, their

1446
00:45:17,724 --> 00:45:23,830
system may be something that is

1447
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:25,398
completely Different from just

1448
00:45:21,694 --> 00:45:27,133
from a standpoint of the

1449
00:45:23,897 --> 00:45:29,969
factors that come into it than

1450
00:45:25,465 --> 00:45:31,771
what what ours are, since it's

1451
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,573
a larger city. Um, I would

1452
00:45:30,036 --> 00:45:37,643
offer you too that like Oak

1453
00:45:31,838 --> 00:45:39,145
Harbor is another one that is

1454
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:41,013
relatively low, um, but they

1455
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:42,248
just built like this brand new

1456
00:45:39,211 --> 00:45:45,651
wastewater treatment plant over

1457
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,285
there, and their rates though,

1458
00:45:42,315 --> 00:45:49,054
if you remember from remember

1459
00:45:45,718 --> 00:45:49,955
from right remember from

1460
00:45:46,352 --> 00:45:50,856
remember from right. So their

1461
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:53,792
decision from a council

1462
00:45:50,022 --> 00:45:55,894
perspective was, in my opinion,

1463
00:45:50,923 --> 00:45:57,129
put it on the The weight is on

1464
00:45:53,859 --> 00:45:58,897
the um residents of Oak Harbor,

1465
00:45:55,961 --> 00:46:00,032
not necessarily the developers

1466
00:45:57,196 --> 00:46:01,333
of Oak Harbor. They have a

1467
00:45:58,964 --> 00:46:02,167
different background you have

1468
00:46:00,099 --> 00:46:05,738
no idea if that's what's

1469
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,907
happening or not. Can we not

1470
00:46:02,234 --> 00:46:10,676
conjecture, please? Well,

1471
00:46:05,805 --> 00:46:12,611
actually I do know about that

1472
00:46:07,974 --> 00:46:15,481
because as base commander at

1473
00:46:10,743 --> 00:46:17,116
Oar or Naval Air Station Wubi

1474
00:46:12,678 --> 00:46:18,818
Island. We were working with

1475
00:46:15,548 --> 00:46:20,520
the city and we opted not to

1476
00:46:17,183 --> 00:46:21,587
buy into their system due to

1477
00:46:18,885 --> 00:46:23,522
the price. Got you. So I do

1478
00:46:20,586 --> 00:46:26,025
know about that one. I don't

1479
00:46:21,654 --> 00:46:27,826
know about the conjecture about

1480
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:28,694
Everett. 100%. In, in all

1481
00:46:26,091 --> 00:46:31,397
fairness, it was probably not a

1482
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:32,965
fair question for me to ask of

1483
00:46:28,761 --> 00:46:33,966
you, so my apologies. But if

1484
00:46:31,463 --> 00:46:35,601
you want me to do the due

1485
00:46:33,032 --> 00:46:37,536
diligence and reach out to

1486
00:46:34,033 --> 00:46:39,138
these and how they got their

1487
00:46:35,668 --> 00:46:40,639
connection fees. I will be more

1488
00:46:37,603 --> 00:46:42,441
than happy to share with

1489
00:46:39,204 --> 00:46:43,375
counsel on that. You've got

1490
00:46:40,706 --> 00:46:46,045
more than enough on your plate.

1491
00:46:42,508 --> 00:46:47,413
I'm not going to add any more,

1492
00:46:43,442 --> 00:46:48,614
OK. Thanks, Chris. Sure. So I

1493
00:46:46,111 --> 00:46:51,551
got my guidance here for the,

1494
00:46:47,479 --> 00:46:53,586
the rate study piece. I just

1495
00:46:48,681 --> 00:46:55,321
got that. OK. Um, other things

1496
00:46:51,617 --> 00:46:56,022
I had just from the Capital

1497
00:46:53,653 --> 00:46:58,257
projects engineer was just

1498
00:46:55,388 --> 00:47:00,593
letting you know that the

1499
00:46:56,088 --> 00:47:02,261
overlay project is on schedule.

1500
00:46:58,324 --> 00:47:04,063
They've been paving at night,

1501
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:05,865
so if you go down Old 99 this

1502
00:47:02,328 --> 00:47:06,566
evening, they will be paving

1503
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:08,601
down there, doing, doing the

1504
00:47:05,932 --> 00:47:11,037
job there. 30th Street

1505
00:47:06,632 --> 00:47:12,771
Improvements were at about the

1506
00:47:08,668 --> 00:47:15,608
60% design we received that

1507
00:47:11,103 --> 00:47:16,942
city staff is reviewing those

1508
00:47:12,838 --> 00:47:18,510
At at this particular time.

1509
00:47:15,674 --> 00:47:20,012
Riverside 1 and 2 at the 90%,

1510
00:47:17,009 --> 00:47:20,746
uh, and we're in the process of

1511
00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:23,148
the re-obligation of funding

1512
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:24,216
dealing with SCOG, all the

1513
00:47:20,813 --> 00:47:25,684
paperwork is in. We've got

1514
00:47:23,215 --> 00:47:28,220
comment back from Skog that we

1515
00:47:24,283 --> 00:47:30,022
can utilize those funds for

1516
00:47:25,751 --> 00:47:31,056
more of the design work that's

1517
00:47:28,287 --> 00:47:32,958
going on. Those are ongoing as

1518
00:47:30,089 --> 00:47:34,460
well, and we had a meeting

1519
00:47:31,123 --> 00:47:37,730
today dealing with caution

1520
00:47:33,025 --> 00:47:39,265
trail 3, again, 60% milestone

1521
00:47:34,527 --> 00:47:40,533
there. Uh, this gets into a

1522
00:47:37,797 --> 00:47:44,537
nexus between utilizing federal

1523
00:47:39,332 --> 00:47:48,373
money regarding the PSE role

1524
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:49,341
with lighting. So this project

1525
00:47:44,603 --> 00:47:50,676
we will most likely be taking

1526
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,612
out of the federal requirements

1527
00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:54,714
It will be a locally run

1528
00:47:50,743 --> 00:47:56,682
project here and we will

1529
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:58,217
revisit and stages 2 and 4 to

1530
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:59,218
nest them with the 30th Street

1531
00:47:56,749 --> 00:48:04,057
project that's going on there

1532
00:47:58,284 --> 00:48:04,724
for just connection and all

1533
00:47:59,285 --> 00:48:06,392
that. Impact to funding and

1534
00:48:04,123 --> 00:48:07,827
everything like that

1535
00:48:04,791 --> 00:48:08,961
inconsequential, but there are

1536
00:48:06,459 --> 00:48:10,496
some programmatics that are

1537
00:48:07,894 --> 00:48:11,998
behind that that Frank wanted

1538
00:48:09,028 --> 00:48:14,667
me to bring up. Uh, Division

1539
00:48:10,563 --> 00:48:15,968
Street feasibility and scoping.

1540
00:48:12,064 --> 00:48:16,702
I've got more to follow on this

1541
00:48:14,734 --> 00:48:19,371
with KPFF. Um, we've got some

1542
00:48:16,035 --> 00:48:20,138
other work that's happening

1543
00:48:16,769 --> 00:48:21,673
with 10th and Warren and 18th,

1544
00:48:19,438 --> 00:48:24,176
um, we got the advertisement

1545
00:48:20,205 --> 00:48:25,477
for design is going out this

1546
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:27,880
particular month with design to

1547
00:48:24,243 --> 00:48:30,182
be done fall winter and then

1548
00:48:25,544 --> 00:48:32,084
summer time frame next year for

1549
00:48:27,947 --> 00:48:34,353
construction. We've got the ADA

1550
00:48:30,249 --> 00:48:36,188
transition plan in full review,

1551
00:48:32,151 --> 00:48:38,257
full work. We should be having

1552
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:39,958
our first plan review of that

1553
00:48:36,255 --> 00:48:41,193
in October, bringing that to

1554
00:48:38,323 --> 00:48:43,896
council by the end of the year.

1555
00:48:40,025 --> 00:48:45,565
Blackborough Road Extension

1556
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:47,066
study. We're still continuing

1557
00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:49,102
on it and again reviewing

1558
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:50,003
vertical alternatives. How's

1559
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:51,904
that? Because it's pretty steep

1560
00:48:49,168 --> 00:48:52,839
slopes that are over there.

1561
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:53,673
Great. And we anticipate that

1562
00:48:51,971 --> 00:48:56,642
being completed by the end of

1563
00:48:52,905 --> 00:48:59,245
the year as well, and then

1564
00:48:53,740 --> 00:49:03,282
bringing to you, um, the 26, 27

1565
00:48:56,708 --> 00:49:04,383
overlay and ADA improvements at

1566
00:48:59,312 --> 00:49:05,918
the end of September. So for

1567
00:49:03,348 --> 00:49:07,953
the 536 bridge, this is one

1568
00:49:04,449 --> 00:49:09,555
that we're looking for guidance

1569
00:49:05,984 --> 00:49:11,257
from counsel. OK, the project

1570
00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:13,525
management and everything, we

1571
00:49:09,621 --> 00:49:15,194
met with KPFF. We've gone

1572
00:49:11,324 --> 00:49:19,598
through a variety of different

1573
00:49:13,592 --> 00:49:22,235
conversations with them trying

1574
00:49:15,261 --> 00:49:24,136
to scope. The actual plan for a

1575
00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:28,240
bridge replacement. That's the

1576
00:49:22,301 --> 00:49:32,578
price tag. Right there that you

1577
00:49:24,202 --> 00:49:35,814
see. We had allotted about 200

1578
00:49:28,307 --> 00:49:38,050
to $250,000. They came back

1579
00:49:32,645 --> 00:49:39,318
with a project of about 882. So

1580
00:49:35,881 --> 00:49:40,285
within this, and this is just

1581
00:49:38,116 --> 00:49:41,587
for just briefing you, we'll

1582
00:49:39,384 --> 00:49:44,022
come back again next month

1583
00:49:40,352 --> 00:49:45,457
during the Public Works

1584
00:49:41,653 --> 00:49:46,625
Committee meeting to look for

1585
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:48,527
more of an answer, but this was

1586
00:49:45,524 --> 00:49:51,630
a little sticker shock for us,

1587
00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:53,566
and we went through and met

1588
00:49:48,593 --> 00:49:55,067
with the contractor on this.

1589
00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:57,270
The study really provides a

1590
00:49:53,633 --> 00:49:59,371
unique situation that we have

1591
00:49:55,134 --> 00:50:01,273
here, um, KPFF and their team

1592
00:49:57,336 --> 00:50:03,709
have done a very good job

1593
00:49:59,438 --> 00:50:06,245
scoping and sizing the project

1594
00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:07,313
for Mount Vernon. Um, again,

1595
00:50:03,776 --> 00:50:09,649
the public engagement that was

1596
00:50:06,312 --> 00:50:11,551
requested, um, mixing public

1597
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:13,119
events with online events, the

1598
00:50:09,715 --> 00:50:14,220
language translation and a

1599
00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:16,355
variety of materials that the

1600
00:50:13,186 --> 00:50:18,958
city and public could engage

1601
00:50:14,287 --> 00:50:20,593
with in lieu of multiple

1602
00:50:16,422 --> 00:50:22,828
consulting public events We

1603
00:50:19,025 --> 00:50:25,398
took a look at that, um, and

1604
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:27,366
our current scope. So with the

1605
00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:28,200
current scope, the pros, what

1606
00:50:25,464 --> 00:50:30,636
we have there, as we know we

1607
00:50:27,433 --> 00:50:31,837
have a known public safety

1608
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:32,538
concern with the bridge. We

1609
00:50:30,703 --> 00:50:34,473
have some minor scope fee and

1610
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:35,707
reduction possibilities, but

1611
00:50:32,605 --> 00:50:38,277
they're not very substantial

1612
00:50:34,540 --> 00:50:40,112
from what Frank and I have gone

1613
00:50:35,774 --> 00:50:41,580
through. Additional funding

1614
00:50:38,343 --> 00:50:42,814
availability for local

1615
00:50:40,178 --> 00:50:43,916
transportation sources. We

1616
00:50:41,647 --> 00:50:46,151
could look for, which would be

1617
00:50:42,881 --> 00:50:47,452
the transportation Benefit

1618
00:50:43,982 --> 00:50:48,687
district. When that passes in

1619
00:50:46,218 --> 00:50:49,821
November, this would be an

1620
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:51,523
opportunity for us to leverage

1621
00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:53,659
some of that funding to

1622
00:50:49,888 --> 00:50:54,593
complete the study. Bridge

1623
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:56,996
fixes are going to have to be a

1624
00:50:53,725 --> 00:50:58,331
long timeline to deliver, and

1625
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:59,265
it may be again 10 plus years

1626
00:50:57,063 --> 00:51:01,033
because we don't own the bridge

1627
00:50:58,397 --> 00:51:03,569
but there may be some

1628
00:50:59,332 --> 00:51:05,004
alternatives that come out of

1629
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:07,539
this study that we may be able

1630
00:51:03,636 --> 00:51:09,207
to pursue in order to encourage

1631
00:51:05,071 --> 00:51:10,675
either Wazdat. Our local

1632
00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:11,977
officials, Representative

1633
00:51:09,274 --> 00:51:13,178
Larson, our senatorial staffs,

1634
00:51:10,742 --> 00:51:14,813
to see if there are any

1635
00:51:12,044 --> 00:51:17,516
earmarked funds that we could

1636
00:51:13,245 --> 00:51:19,017
utilize with the study's

1637
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:22,822
results. Has, there's no

1638
00:51:17,582 --> 00:51:24,857
current suitable external

1639
00:51:19,084 --> 00:51:26,225
funding option. Additional

1640
00:51:22,888 --> 00:51:28,027
unplanned costs could be a

1641
00:51:24,924 --> 00:51:29,395
budget amendment for something

1642
00:51:26,292 --> 00:51:30,996
in 27. And again, does the

1643
00:51:28,094 --> 00:51:32,297
priority justify the expense

1644
00:51:29,462 --> 00:51:35,134
now? That would be, does the

1645
00:51:31,063 --> 00:51:38,437
juice, is the juice worth the

1646
00:51:32,364 --> 00:51:40,406
squeeze type of a thing. Second

1647
00:51:35,201 --> 00:51:42,475
part of this is looking at

1648
00:51:38,504 --> 00:51:43,476
sacrifices to reduce the scope,

1649
00:51:40,473 --> 00:51:44,143
and we looked at a variety of

1650
00:51:42,541 --> 00:51:47,847
ways to stay within the

1651
00:51:43,542 --> 00:51:49,315
$200,000 budget that you

1652
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:51,117
provided to us. Um, We could go

1653
00:51:47,914 --> 00:51:52,818
through that and get a quicker

1654
00:51:49,382 --> 00:51:55,154
study. It may not have all the

1655
00:51:51,183 --> 00:51:57,322
bells and whistles that KPFF is

1656
00:51:52,885 --> 00:52:00,959
offering that we think are good

1657
00:51:55,221 --> 00:52:02,861
alternatives. however, the cons

1658
00:51:57,389 --> 00:52:06,131
to this would be it's a much

1659
00:52:01,026 --> 00:52:08,133
more superficial outcome be

1660
00:52:02,928 --> 00:52:09,802
less credible for state or

1661
00:52:06,198 --> 00:52:11,403
federal funding in that regard.

1662
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,038
It could be a missed

1663
00:52:09,868 --> 00:52:14,907
opportunity in the sense that

1664
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:15,607
again we know there's times

1665
00:52:13,105 --> 00:52:17,743
when the government has gone

1666
00:52:14,973 --> 00:52:19,978
out and done something, and

1667
00:52:15,674 --> 00:52:21,680
we've told you, oh, we think we

1668
00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:22,447
could do it for this much. And

1669
00:52:20,045 --> 00:52:24,683
then another portion of a study

1670
00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:26,485
or something else needs to be

1671
00:52:22,514 --> 00:52:27,953
done. Is it worthwhile just to

1672
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:28,587
go ahead and just do it, get it

1673
00:52:26,552 --> 00:52:30,222
done. $800,000 and then we

1674
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:32,424
actually have a feasibility

1675
00:52:28,654 --> 00:52:33,425
study that we could use for

1676
00:52:30,289 --> 00:52:35,427
state and federal nexus, and it

1677
00:52:32,491 --> 00:52:38,130
will include, I got you, all of

1678
00:52:33,492 --> 00:52:39,698
the other, uh, opportunities

1679
00:52:35,494 --> 00:52:41,767
with engaging with the public.

1680
00:52:38,196 --> 00:52:42,801
Uh, we could postpone the

1681
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:45,538
effort. It is an option, uh,

1682
00:52:41,834 --> 00:52:47,472
and, and wait until we actually

1683
00:52:42,868 --> 00:52:49,241
build up enough capital in

1684
00:52:45,605 --> 00:52:51,510
there or revenue to be able to

1685
00:52:47,539 --> 00:52:55,414
conduct this which could push

1686
00:52:49,307 --> 00:52:57,282
us out another year or two. And

1687
00:52:51,577 --> 00:52:59,151
with that, uh, that kind of is.

1688
00:52:55,481 --> 00:52:59,985
It for that particular portion

1689
00:52:57,349 --> 00:53:01,153
of it. So I just wanted to

1690
00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:03,121
bring it up to you that again,

1691
00:53:00,051 --> 00:53:04,423
it was like 4 times the amount

1692
00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:06,725
of what we were looking for for

1693
00:53:03,188 --> 00:53:08,260
cost initially. Frank and I

1694
00:53:04,489 --> 00:53:09,462
will be back again next and I

1695
00:53:06,791 --> 00:53:11,764
will make sure I know this was

1696
00:53:08,326 --> 00:53:13,366
part of your, your briefing

1697
00:53:09,528 --> 00:53:15,768
just to make sure that you had

1698
00:53:11,831 --> 00:53:16,635
that last two items, if you

1699
00:53:13,432 --> 00:53:20,039
notice that the Army Corps of

1700
00:53:15,834 --> 00:53:20,839
Engineers were working on the,

1701
00:53:16,702 --> 00:53:22,741
on the part of the just south

1702
00:53:20,105 --> 00:53:27,179
of Lions Park that work has

1703
00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:29,148
been completed. They

1704
00:53:22,808 --> 00:53:31,950
refortified a good portion of

1705
00:53:27,246 --> 00:53:34,019
the revetment that's over there

1706
00:53:29,214 --> 00:53:36,054
on the east side of the river.

1707
00:53:32,017 --> 00:53:37,856
All that work has been

1708
00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:41,093
completed, and I think that

1709
00:53:36,121 --> 00:53:42,494
basically covers everything.

1710
00:53:37,923 --> 00:53:46,131
With 2 minutes to go pending

1711
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:47,899
your questions. Questions for

1712
00:53:42,561 --> 00:53:50,736
Chris. Anybody? Guess not.

1713
00:53:46,198 --> 00:53:53,839
Thank you, Chris. Thank you.

1714
00:53:47,966 --> 00:53:59,044
Thank you, Chris Franken, blain

1715
00:53:50,802 --> 00:54:00,879
all rolled into one. OK, so I

1716
00:53:53,906 --> 00:54:03,315
think, um, The next thing is a

1717
00:53:59,111 --> 00:54:07,352
truck, sorry, bringing up my

1718
00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:10,255
agenda again. Miscellane any

1719
00:54:03,381 --> 00:54:10,489
miscellaneous type? Agenda

1720
00:54:07,419 --> 00:54:10,489
requests tonight. We'll go