1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,440 Oh, 2 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:27,920 center stage. 3 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,760 zoomed in right at 4 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Oh, I guess you guess you can turn them on now. 5 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Let's 6 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,760 go 7 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Hello. 8 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,719 Good. 9 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:38,720 All righty, we'll call the meeting to order. Tiffany, please take the role. 10 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,800 » Councilman Harjo, >> present. 11 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:42,239 » Councilman McCarthy, >> present. 12 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,160 » Councilman Sanders, >> present. 13 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,920 » Councilwoman Workla, >> uh, absent. 14 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:49,040 » Mayor Sykes, >> present. Let the record reflect. We do 15 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,200 have a quorum for Tuesday, September 22nd, 2026. Uh, going to run down to 16 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:59,360 recognizing persons. Oh, actually before I do that, um, council, I have a last 17 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:05,920 minute ask to add to the agenda. Um, the ad is an OLDCC grant approval and 18 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:12,720 authorized the mayor to sign. Um, it came in literally today. Um, and it 19 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:16,040 needs to be signed by the 30th of September. 20 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,560 Mr. Mayor, Councilman Sanders, 21 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:30,640 Uh, I'm in agreement to approve this item to the agenda tonight. 22 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:34,000 Second. It's been motioned and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, 23 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,519 I'll call for the question. Councilman Sanders. Hi. 24 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,879 » Councilman McCarthy. >> Hi. 25 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,840 » Councilman Harjo. >> Hi. 26 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,840 » We'll place that in new business number three. 27 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Okay. All right. Um, sorry about that everybody. We'll run down to recognizing 28 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,840 person. It's the purpose of this agenda item is to provide an opportunity for 29 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,159 members of the public to address the city council on matters that are not 30 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:05,920 listed on this current agenda and are within the subject matter jurisdiction 31 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:09,040 of the municipal purview of the city. Comments may not involve personnel 32 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,879 matters, legal disputes, or private non-municipal affairs of the 33 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,400 constituency. Comments regarding zoning or land use issues may only be made 34 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:21,440 during uh properly noticed public hearings. Would anybody like to get up 35 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,440 and speak? Come on down. 36 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,919 How you doing? Oh, you're all good. What's your name? 37 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,199 » Phoenix. >> Phoenix. 38 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,199 » Yep. Phoenix. 39 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Beginning 40 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:50,479 of the school year, my kindergarten I would walk daily to West 41 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:54,479 and that would require us to cross over Airbase Road. We live just on the other 42 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:59,280 side next to Richard McKenna, another school. 43 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Walking saves money, gas keep us active and it's a way for my son to make his 44 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:08,880 journey to school special too close for the bus. We stopped because in four 45 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:13,520 weeks my son and I had multiple vehicles white house while crossing the road 46 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:18,240 lights still. We also had numerous vehicles zooming by any given day while 47 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:22,800 we were on the corner lightsing press to go. The final straw that convinced me 48 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:26,960 that this was a serious issue that needed to be addressed swiftly was 49 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:31,280 witnessing an Elmer who could not slow down, stop or even acknowledge us as we 50 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,440 were waiting and they passed through the flashing lights. I called non-emergency 51 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:39,919 dispatch that day to let them know what I witnessed and expressed my concerns of 52 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:42,720 how unsafe crossing was. Officer on the other side of the line shared my 53 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,479 concerns and stated it was a route he often took and had issues at as well. He 54 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:50,720 also let me know that the flashing lights had previous reported issues and 55 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,479 he would send someone to check to make sure they were still working. 56 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:59,440 Ironically, the next day while walking, none of the lights were flashing. 57 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:04,479 Um, we were lucky there wasn't the usual dense on being trafficked and quickly 58 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:09,039 took our chance to. It's already unsafe and with the low visibility sun glare on 59 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:13,120 the small lights or in driver's eyes, but without them flashing entirely, I 60 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:16,960 didn't want to keep playing a game of my child. 61 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Opting for driving has its risks on that street, too. Business signs in the 62 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,720 parking lot of baristas impacts our lefthand view of oncoming traffic to 63 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,319 cross towards West Elementary. With the parking lot filled, there's no 64 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:32,880 visibility at all. I believe we either need a full stop light at air base 65 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:37,120 casket to control traffic or we need better visibility such as a pedestrian 66 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:41,280 hybrid beacon bar the length of the crosswalk reflective paths and raising 67 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:44,560 the business signs to allow site restoration for oncoming traffic 68 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:49,039 especially for those leaving South Pasket or crossing air base road. I've 69 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:53,759 called multiple departments in our city as well as IT to bring awareness um of 70 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,680 these issues and seek guidance for what I needed to pursue. 71 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,120 I've made a post on our community Facebook page to see if other citizens 72 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:05,120 share my concerns and a lot of replies show that they do. I'm actively 73 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:10,560 gathering petition signatures to show just how serious we are about this 74 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:14,400 change. We understand that mountain the city of mountain homem has limited funds 75 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:19,120 in a longer list of projects but this has been an identified issue spot for 76 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:23,199 many years now according to a master transportation plan document reference 77 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:28,160 the impact for you we shouldn't be waiting for a 78 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:32,160 traumatic accident and make it safer there have been many near misses and I 79 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:35,319 don't think continuing put this on the back burner 80 00:07:36,479 --> 00:07:41,400 » thank you for your time >> thanks Phoenix thanks Thanks. 81 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,120 » Mayor Sil 82 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:55,840 This is going to be good. I'm very concerned for the street 83 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:59,039 lighting in this city. The horrible tragedy taking the life of a young lady 84 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,639 in our community could possibly have been avoided if there had been more 85 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:05,759 lights, especially around our parks. I drove around this city last night and 86 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,680 noticed how little lightning there actually is. I know the parks are open 87 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,599 from dawn to dusk. That does not prevent our residents from using them after 88 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:17,039 dark, but we need to make the park safe with better lighting. With winter 89 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:21,440 coming, the darkness is earlier and earlier, and soon it will be dark around 90 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,879 6:00 p.m. There also comes the time when our littles are walking to school in the 91 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:28,720 dark. I think the safety of the residents should come before any money 92 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,759 is spent on other projects in the city. I drove on Airbase Road last night and 93 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:35,360 it seemed that all the lighting there was being provided by the lights from 94 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,959 the business. I know lighting is expensive, but Something needs to be 95 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,479 done to protect our community. These yellow lights are not effective, 96 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:46,959 especially with the city's roads and so many people going faster than the speed 97 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:51,040 limit. I live on South Pin and people on that street all the time. Take a drive 98 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:55,040 down 10 miles in Meridian. The street lights are amazing. The whole city of 99 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,959 Boise in that area is lit so much better than Mount Hope. And I know there's more 100 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:02,560 money there. I do not know what the solution is, but I have a couple of 101 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,959 ideas. The research I have done said that white or clear lights are generally 102 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:10,880 better for pedestrian safety. We have many people here that walk regularly and 103 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:16,320 our sidewalks give plenty of use and kids are everywhere. Perhaps change to 104 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:20,560 light. Some people may not like because they will be brighter. But curtains are 105 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:24,399 a real thing or well if you're really bothered by 106 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:27,279 ask community members to put LED light standards in their yards though I do not 107 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,040 know if these would light up the streets. These are generally solar 108 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:36,080 operated. I have them up and down my driveway because there is no lighting by 109 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:40,640 my home. Perhaps the PSA to the schools to go home to parents would help light 110 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,080 these kids up somewhat. We need to educate the community on the safety 111 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:49,120 issues. I'm going to speak with James Gilbert also and give some PSC can be 112 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:53,440 done for our kids. I spoke with a police officer last night on site at Virginia 113 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:57,519 Park and he did say part of the problem is these kids are always wearing dark 114 00:09:55,279 --> 00:10:01,120 colors and I also see the kids walking and riding around town in the dark with 115 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,720 nothing bright on. While we were standing there, two people came by on 116 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,880 electric scooters. All we could see was a tail light. We could not even see if 117 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,560 it was an adult or a child that was riding on there. I think safety needs to 118 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:17,600 be first and foremost in the city, especially the way we are filming it. 119 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:24,200 People know that. Thanks. 120 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,200 » Anybody else? Come on down, sir. 121 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,399 » Light down. Main Street. 122 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:00,519 Highways 123 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,839 have nice lights. 124 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:29,040 and you guys work with them fixed 125 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:36,240 lot of concrete up here issues I believe some of it 126 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:44,399 still bring people down here school that corner from the 127 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:47,560 person he will not send I don't know who You guys 128 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,640 think somewhere else 129 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:05,680 get rid of I told you guys about ideas maybe fix it 130 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:09,000 wants to listen that's the kind of stuff I hope 131 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:17,440 after that one meeting the other showed up out there 132 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,440 probably last 133 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,040 I got this myself. 134 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,399 A lot of things 135 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:09,680 more people 136 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:14,839 Two lane, three lane turn. 137 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:27,639 Get up. We're going to head to work. Things should show up. 138 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Anybody else? 139 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,399 you doing? [clears throat] 140 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,569 » It's getting there. [laughter] 141 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:02,880 » On the other side of that parking lot, there is a 142 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:08,560 Oh, sorry. There's a well that was just completed 143 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:13,440 last week that two lovely ladies did the masonry work on and 144 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:18,120 a gazebo. That little area needs to be kind of 145 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:27,959 um the area around the well is just like you know dirt. Maybe you guys 146 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:37,600 or whatever fill that in and maybe put some ants around that. I would 147 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:46,880 looking really good and that's been the last 50 years I'm sure. Thanks to the 148 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:53,880 ladies Jenny and you guys. Thank you very much. 149 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,880 » Thanks Kathy. 150 00:14:55,279 --> 00:15:01,920 » Anybody else? >> All right, we're going to run down to a 151 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,639 conflict of interest declaration. Has any council member received information 152 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:08,720 pertaining to or otherwise had any contact with any persons regarding any 153 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:14,240 items on this city council agenda? If so, please set forth nature of contact. 154 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,760 All right. Hearing none, we'll run down the consent agenda. Is there 155 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:22,160 [clears throat] excuse me, anything on the consent agenda that needs more 156 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:25,480 clarification or you want to pull or any of that council? 157 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:33,120 Hearing not, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda as printed 158 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:37,360 there? Councilman Harjo make a motion to approve the consent agenda as printed. 159 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,920 » Second. >> It's been motioned and seconded. Any 160 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,040 further discussion? >> Mayor, 161 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:50,720 » Councilman McCarthy. >> Question for because of a few items on 162 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:55,279 the 6 7 8 9. Just curious on our city council packet. 163 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:59,199 Nothing was provided regarding cost or any of that information. I was 164 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:06,279 just curious clarification if we can understand why nothing was provided 165 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,279 in our city council packets. 166 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:16,079 Um I think that one was uh same groups. Um the work comp is the same group and 167 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:21,600 then the blue shield is this. Let's see here. So, Levit Group is the and correct 168 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:28,800 me if I'm the broker and then the Blue Shield is the city's insurance for all 169 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:35,519 the uh the um same with Delta Dentl and WAMT VSP. Um that's for the insurance 170 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:36,560 for all the staff. >> Mayor. 171 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:41,040 » Yes, sir. >> No information provided though of is it 172 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:47,440 a increase in cost or anything? What the total cost any of that information? Yes, 173 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:52,720 there was an increase but it was to the dependent 174 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:57,560 care. Um there was a a credit also given if memory serves me correctly of4,000 175 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:07,720 to offset that cost from regents, 176 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,720 right? Yeah. 177 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:17,600 Go ahead, Tiff. We finally got um the numbers from regions yesterday. That 178 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,319 email finally come in yesterday, late Friday. I was off Friday. So um on the 179 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:27,760 regions, but the mayor is correct. Um the dependent will dependent side of our 180 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:31,520 health plan will the employees that have dependence on will have an increase to 181 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:41,039 them that's out of pocket for the employee. Um there was a um Regents gave 182 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:48,000 us a credit on it um for premium and then the Delta Dental um and WAMIT 183 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:54,799 stayed I think Delta Dental went up 2%. But the city covers that portion and 184 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:59,440 then um I crimp went up um because we brought the pool aboard um so our 185 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:04,240 property went up slightly um percentage wise but that was that's it. The other 186 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,880 ones don't have any costs beared with them. Um we don't we just pay state 187 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,760 insurance fund as claims come in. So that's no change. Um quintessentially 188 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:18,720 and levit group is brokered into every other like it delta dental pays 189 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:23,039 percentage in regions. So we don't pay anything to levit group. Does that 190 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:29,960 answer all your questions? And then the the city just pays the thousand, 191 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,960 right? 192 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Like that's what we allocated all pre prior years. So we just pay the the 193 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:41,280 thousand per employee. >> Yes. 194 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,919 » Yep. >> So that hasn't gone up. 195 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:48,960 » Nope. Same. >> It's been motioned and second. Any 196 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,440 further discussion? >> Hearing none. I'll call for the 197 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:54,799 question. Council Harjo. I councelor McCarthy 198 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,640 » uh due to not having that information and not being there not seeing that 199 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,840 again and I'm not against the benefits but I cannot vote for something that I 200 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,120 do not have all the information that so I am going to vote nay on this 201 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:09,440 councilman Sanders >> I run down to old business action item 202 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:13,919 deliberation decision uh discussion sorry deliberation decision regarding 203 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:23,360 grape vine 7 uh inc objection to water and wastewater edu's determination 204 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:29,720 um I do believe we gave you the gallons that was requested a two-year run total 205 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,720 if I do believe 206 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,480 » mayor >> Councilman 207 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,480 » Chris have a question on this and this come back to it have we ever gotten word 208 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:49,120 from Keller what our actual EDU is based on per gallons 209 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,880 how do we measure the EDU >> is it the 5,000 210 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,840 » is 5,000 >> 5,000 gallons. Correct. Keller has 211 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,559 confirmed that. >> Keller has 212 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,919 council had an email that seemed that we weren't getting a specific number. So, I 213 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:07,200 wanted to make sure that through this research we had an actual 5,000 was the 214 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,960 number for you to use. >> Okay. 215 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:15,280 » Thank you, Mayor. >> Hey, go ahead. It also states that on on 216 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:19,200 the bills we receive from service 217 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:24,960 it like in plain English defines that out. So, we also had uh had a meeting 218 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:30,640 with Clearwater to ask him about our 219 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:35,200 ordinance and uh section A and and as as Councilman Sanders said, look at section 220 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:41,039 B and it wasn't. So Clearwater looked at it as well. And so Councilman Sanders 221 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:47,200 was correct that if if you look at section I think it was B at the time. He 222 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:51,679 was correct. But then section A, it doesn't it didn't say and or it says if 223 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:59,120 it's not available like if you're not on the table for that section A portion. So 224 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:03,520 um am I am I butchering Clearwater's synopsis of our ordinance that we have 225 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:07,360 to clean that up? Um, 226 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:11,440 I think there's a lot of interpretation to be done. Um, we do need to clean the 227 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:19,679 ordinance up, I do believe, is the guidance we've been given. Um, 228 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:24,080 however, I'm not an attorney. Um, >> you're pretending to be an awful lot. 229 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:29,760 » I have lobbed several questions to our attorney regarding this ordinance and my 230 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:34,400 concerns. Um, so, >> so what's our attorney's synopsis of uh, 231 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:38,159 our ordinance? >> That was a Jeff delegation thing, but 232 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:44,840 uh, you're talking about the ordinance that has to be first 233 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:44,840 » equivalent units. Yeah, 234 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:52,799 » go ahead T or let you. So the problem I guess there in lies the issue is the 235 00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:58,240 ordinance says this but if it's not on the table it's 236 00:21:55,919 --> 00:22:02,480 per gallon is like you guys were correct on that one. So the problem right now is 237 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:08,159 they are in the table per our ordinance. So do you go with 238 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:12,240 section A or section B and I'm probably butchering it's probably like C 239 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,120 somewhere in there you know but um it is C. 240 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,520 » Yeah. >> See so like I said I'm butchering it. So 241 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:22,480 that there in lies our issue. Um the ordinance isn't clean. We're going to 242 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:26,960 have to to re-engage that. Um Clear Water is re-engaging that currently uh 243 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,640 through the the the water study, the edus, all that good stuff. So a little 244 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,919 bit more food for thought on that one. So council, um I'm going to lob it back 245 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:37,520 to you. And >> Mr. Mayor 246 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:41,360 » Councilman Sanders, I would have loved to have been sitting 247 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:46,400 in the room with Clearwater and an attorney because I find the language in 248 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:52,000 section A to be very clear. It talks about using the table, 249 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,440 but it also says that if a type of use is not 250 00:22:53,600 --> 00:23:00,159 specifically listed, the city staff will determine the appropriate edu 251 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:05,280 calculation based upon comparable uses, engineering estimates, and other 252 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:08,320 relevant information. in consultation with the user. 253 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:12,960 » Mayor, >> go ahead T. 254 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:18,159 » The key to that is the current proposed the current challenge that is before you 255 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:24,240 is defined in the .edu table. So therefore, the rest of the subsections 256 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:29,760 are mute, but there's no and or to a. And then the next is section C says that 257 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:34,480 the person would request within 12 months of opening the account to 258 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:40,400 challenge the usage. the said person isn't challenging it. They're appealing 259 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:47,320 the edu table and the edus that were assessed to them, which is section A. 260 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,320 So, there's a lot of 261 00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:52,559 Are you guys Are you tracking me? [laughter] 262 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:57,280 » Yeah. So, and that I I will tell you at our 263 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:03,679 last city council meeting, I leaned over to our attorney and said, "The way I 264 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:08,320 read a the user and the person who's appealing is listed in the table. 265 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:13,679 Therefore, the edu stay." And he said, "Read your sentence aloud, Tiffany." And 266 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:18,799 I did not. I told him he could do it. Like, we're school children here. 267 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:24,000 » And so, here we are. and I track what you're saying and then I go down to D 268 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,799 because if you go through and start cherrypicking sentences, you can make it 269 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,640 say whatever you want >> for sure. 270 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:34,720 » So in D, any alteration to a business premise which the building permit is 271 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:39,279 required the expansion of the property or the expansion or alteration of the 272 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:43,600 operations shall trigger an automatic review of the account and recalculation 273 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:48,240 of the number of EDUs. That didn't occur. Well, mayor did in the 274 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:52,720 reassessment. Councilman Harjo, 275 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,320 » understanding the language in D, the language in B also then states city of 276 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,159 Mountain Home will audit the accounts of all commercial users after the first 277 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,159 year of operation and approximately every 3 years after that, 278 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:10,080 » which is the step that occurred here that alerted city staff to the point of 279 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:15,120 understanding that there were fewer edus allocated than the spots that then 280 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,840 correlated to the number of spots in that RV park. 281 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:28,320 that that onus is on the city to go back and audit the accounts. This is a 282 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:37,520 commercial use in a C3 zone and it may not have fallen in in the 283 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:43,760 requesttor's favor. But in this case, the accuracy of the .edu count relies on 284 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:47,760 the table. I disagree with section B when it says 285 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:52,400 that every approximately every three years after that the average monthly 286 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:58,080 consumption will be calculated to ensure that the consumption of water and the 287 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,919 setu rate used for the monthly user fee is consistent. 288 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,159 You go back to how much they use to make sure they're paying the number of edus 289 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,039 consistent with that usage. Mayor >> Councilman Harjo, 290 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:12,960 » I'll use the same example that I did two weeks ago in the sense that you have 291 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:19,279 downtown businesses with a handsink and a toilet that pay a full .DU, but in 292 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:25,039 what was proposed last last meeting was a quarter EDU blanket across what 293 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:30,880 equates to doiciles year round in the RV park. And frankly, it doesn't matter who 294 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,400 inhabits that particular spot. It's the fact that that spot is inhabited year 295 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:42,320 round. We have no mechanism per our own uh 296 00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:46,080 resolution from 2022 that says hey over six months you're going to be you're 297 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,039 going to be build for one .edu under 6 months of inhabitants under that spot 298 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:54,880 you're going to be build at a quarter EDU for the property owner. We have no 299 00:26:52,320 --> 00:27:00,240 mechanism to track that thing but it is very clear by their by their own 300 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:06,960 statements that that RV park is at capacity nearly year round. 301 00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:12,320 So again, the spot is occupied more than six months 302 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:17,000 that by our own table is defined as 1.0 EDUs per unit. 303 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:29,400 So there I I I think the council we have we need to clean our ordinance up. 304 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,400 Um, 305 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,000 so before you obviously you guys got to make the the favorable decision on on on 306 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:41,799 the how you guys wanted to determine this one. 307 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,799 You're moving forward. 308 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,600 What was Jeff's synopsis on this? Uh, Paul. 309 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,039 » Oh, I thought you said you lobed this to Jeff. 310 00:27:52,799 --> 00:28:00,480 » Oh, mayor. Councilman Harjo. I had a discussion with Jeff today on this very 311 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:06,679 thing. He said the of the utmost importance is that we are equal and 312 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:06,679 defensible 313 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:14,919 without giving any guidance of what that means in plain language. 314 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:24,880 You would think, right? It was very short for Jeff. Um love you Jeff. um 315 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:29,760 taking that and applying it in this in this instance. What is equal is that 316 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:35,840 we've been applying the same logic of the resolution since 2022 since then 317 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:40,960 with zero deviation. That is the most equitable formulation 318 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:44,480 that we apply to everybody. And in this case, now that it is being applied 319 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:49,440 appropriately, understanding that there was some 320 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:55,919 sticker shock to that value, um, it is still appropriate in the 321 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,760 allocation of edus per our own resolution that predates any of us 322 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:03,000 sitting up here except for Mayor Sykes and staff. 323 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:09,360 » Mayor, Councilman McCarthy, >> clarification. Tiffany, I know you sent 324 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:14,320 the email, but I want to make sure because councilwoman workled brought 325 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:18,559 this up last meetings for Clearwater. They are going to be evaluating our edu 326 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,919 table. Correct. >> Just for the record. Make sure, 327 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:27,360 » mayor, >> yes, I uh reached out to Clearwater to 328 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:31,679 make sure they will be assessing the table. Now, whether that is a full 329 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:36,320 revamp, I didn't get that out of our Thursday. they would just use it as part 330 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:40,320 of our connections and evaluate the process forward. 331 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:44,159 So it it won't be just completely modified. Chris, am I correct by that? 332 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,679 » No, that's exactly correct. They're going to evaluate it as part of the 333 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:53,000 bigger process. They're not going to readress specifically that table and 334 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,000 sign it. 335 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,720 » Okay. Follow up. So with that being said with Keller, I had brought this up on 336 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,200 our last city council meeting. We paid them quite a considerable amount of 337 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:09,360 money for that declining balance sheet >> which takes into account our edus and 338 00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:14,399 everything. We reached out to Keller to you know 339 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,880 justify with the calculation and everything. I know they're using this 340 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,200 the discussion tonight is basing on this table, but I guess I'm trying to curious 341 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:28,960 is one .edu we're saying is 5,000 gallons, which we count as a residential 342 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:36,159 home, but we're saying a camper now uses >> same as a reserve says exactly. 343 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:42,880 » And for clarification, sorry, mayor, for clarification, the declining balance 344 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:47,200 tool was the was not tied to a specific RV use. It was designed to the overall 345 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:49,039 Yes. Exactly. So >> to all of our usages. 346 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:54,399 » Yeah. >> That's where I'm cur. 347 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:59,360 » That's where I'm coming back with Keller is the professional that we paid 348 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:04,240 for. They're looking at the edu, but we're not reamping. I I guess I would 349 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:09,760 like to understand how we can have one camper is assembling equivalent to one 350 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,760 residential home. Like I I don't see how we're 351 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,880 » Go ahead T. >> My understanding is according to the edu 352 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:22,399 table they're not one after a quantity they become halves. 353 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:31,360 » Yes. >> If you look at the resolution so and and 354 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:39,360 again the we had did a we did a workshop early in 355 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:44,960 right when you took office. It was 24 >> and we spent hours with Keller in here 356 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,880 because Council Member Brennan at that time was adamant the table is incorrect. 357 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:55,519 We made no modifications to the table after those several discussions. 358 00:31:51,440 --> 00:32:00,080 Um, and Paul has quoted several times that on Super Bowl Sunday at halftime 359 00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:05,039 when everyone flushes their toilets, that's how your edu system and your 360 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:11,840 capacity is based off of. And the same goes in the water system. So as you're 361 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:16,000 if everyone uses all one time, the last thing you want is it all to be at max 362 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:21,840 capacity if that helps at all. And I didn't I butchered your 363 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:26,080 but let me pull the resolution, but I do believe Hank's calculation is off 364 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:32,200 halves. >> These are the Yeah. So 365 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,200 they're at a quarter >> or a quarter. Yep. 366 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:41,200 » Less than two months is at a quarter. So I don't 367 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,919 go get Hank's math, but I know he didn't go through and do every one of them at 368 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:49,760 one edu. >> Hey, sorry here. I was going to ask 369 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,159 » Tiffany since you brought that up. So I have the email from Hank that we where 370 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:58,480 here's the breakdown of edus. Are you referring to something else with the 371 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,880 quarter? So, a resolution with business edu table that's attached. That's what 372 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:06,480 I'm referencing. Yes. And that's that's how Hank does his math is off of this 373 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,760 resolution. >> I just wanted to make sure there wasn't 374 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:14,760 some other email or something that no >> didn't make into the packet. 375 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,760 » No. 376 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,960 Hank's not here. >> No. Thought it was a water guy back 377 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,799 there. [laughter] You don't want to answer that one for 378 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,799 us? >> No. 379 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,679 Mayor, >> Councilman Harjo, 380 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:56,480 » with the understanding that we have forthcoming uh data and information from 381 00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:04,320 Clearwater uh which is encompassing aspects of of edu 382 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:08,399 of the edu table. Um, I'd be willing to table this 383 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:14,720 conversation further until we have that data again with the concept that every 384 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:19,440 every application of our of our resolution and the .edu table now has 385 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:26,240 been has been fair and equivalent to everybody. to make one exception at this 386 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:32,240 juncture with a limited value of information I believe would 387 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:36,800 open Pandora's box that every other water and wastewater consumer could walk 388 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:42,960 through this door and ask for the same deviation or some level of deviation 389 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,919 which makes no part of our table defensible at that point. Consistency is 390 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:53,440 the defensible part. We've applied equally and fairly amongst all 391 00:34:51,040 --> 00:35:02,160 Hank and our in his capacity as building official has assessed that 196.5 edus is 392 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:06,720 the appropriate amount per the table. Um I would like to stick with that table 393 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:13,520 this um for review after such a point that we 394 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:16,800 get any uh edu data back from clear water. 395 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,480 Make that a motion. There's been a motion to table this until uh the 396 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,800 information comes back from Clearwater. Do I have a second? 397 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,440 » Second. >> It's been motioned and seconded. Any 398 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,480 further discussion? >> Mr. Mayor, 399 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,480 » Councilman Sanders. 400 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,599 » The applications as it's been done since I understand 22 when this was passed may 401 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:43,200 have been done equally, but I think there's been more than adequate 402 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:50,359 discussion about whether or not that has been done fairly. I'll leave that as a 403 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,359 open question pending additional data. 404 00:35:50,880 --> 00:36:00,720 » Sir, I'm concerned by the um approach taken where we've established 405 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:04,960 the .edu yet when those get questioned, our 406 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:11,359 current regulatory practices, they go back to the monthly usage. 407 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:16,240 So, when we take a second look at this, I really hope the council will take the 408 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:21,119 time and the staff will provide us the um information that can be used to help 409 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:26,800 us be confident that when we're talking 410 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,720 about an enterprise type program where folks are supposed to pay for what they 411 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:35,839 use, no more, no less, 412 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:40,320 with the notion that there has to be the ability to 413 00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:43,760 to expand those services for everyone and take care of the maintenance for the 414 00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:46,880 services of anyone. There's always going to be a little bit more that's going to 415 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:51,200 be required to keep the machine running in order to serve everybody it serves. 416 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:57,119 Um, but I'm not to say that this is an 417 00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,359 exception case, but to me it is a clear we need to take a look internally as 418 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:04,400 well and make sure that we are fairly going back through each of these 419 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,760 accounts and making sure we just don't have a bunch of these stacked up waiting 420 00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:11,920 to come through the door to make that challenge. 421 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:17,040 Thank you, Council Sanders. There's been a motion 422 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,280 and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, I'll call for the 423 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,119 question. Councilman McCarthy. >> Hi. 424 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,400 » Councilman Sanders. >> Hi. 425 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,800 » Councilman Harjo. >> Hi. 426 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,480 » Okay. Going to run down to new business items 427 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,880 removed from consent agenda. Um new business number one. There were none. 428 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,400 We're going to run down to action item number two. Deliberation uh decision 429 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:39,280 regarding instruction lessons compensation to golf professional. 430 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,800 Um coun Mr. Mayor. 431 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:47,440 » Councilman Sanders. Um, council members, the reason, one of 432 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:53,200 the r, one of the reasons for having this particular item come forward, there 433 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:58,000 has been work ad nauseium on getting this golf course ready to operate under 434 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:03,760 city direct city control. 435 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:09,680 Part of that is going through the process of trying to hire the 436 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:15,520 appropriate PGA class A golf pro to come in, someone who would be willing to take 437 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:20,800 on the project of bringing this system online and making it efficient and 438 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:23,520 functional. And we have been fortunate. There have been as many as eight 439 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:30,720 different applications that were actually uh brought to the city. 440 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:35,280 I want to say we had six of those that we interviewed. 441 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:37,280 We had six scheduled, two backed outs. We were down to four. 442 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,480 » Five. >> Five. Five. Um, I tell you all that to 443 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:47,440 tell you this. And every one of those interviews, every 444 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:52,880 one of them raised the question about the lessons. Every one of them also 445 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,880 talked about how the lessons were part of the system they used to funnel new 446 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:02,000 players into. coming in and becoming lifelong users of 447 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:07,320 that service as well as getting those who had left enticed to come back. 448 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:15,040 Doing some casual research on my own and checking around. 449 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:19,359 If we keep with the city owning 100% of those lessons, we'll be the only one in 450 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:25,920 the state and only one of one two in the entire Pacific Northwest. It is an 451 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:30,960 accepted industry practice that folks who are providing PGA lessons are 452 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:38,480 getting a portion of their of that lesson fee as their own income. 453 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:41,920 So knowing that I wanted the council to be 454 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,640 aware and I was going to ask for their consideration to provide us latitude in 455 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,800 discussions. We're down to two candidates that frankly if we could land 456 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:59,119 either one of them, it'd be a quantum leap forward. Quantum leap forward. 457 00:39:55,359 --> 00:40:03,520 Um, but both of them are going to be watching very carefully what the council 458 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:09,599 does this evening around the question of whether or not it's even allowable to 459 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:14,880 have the discussion about splitting the cost of those instructional lessons 460 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,880 here. Councilman Arjo, 461 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,640 » two questions for you, Councilman Sanders. Um, 462 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:29,359 first being this being a standard practice and we've 463 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:36,960 experienced this before under a under a contract position. It is not abnormal to 464 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:42,640 have a split in in lessons. Um, that being said, do you have a do you have a 465 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:46,960 split percentage in mind? Council what I will say council Harjo is 466 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,000 that in the discussions we've had with the candidates that have applied most of 467 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:58,160 them are talking about a 8020 split the lowest that was discussed was 6040 468 00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:01,359 and that was hope that was one that the person expressed that that they would be 469 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:07,760 willing to start at that but their anticipation would be that would grow. 470 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,800 » Mayor Councilman uh Harjo follow up uh 8020 split 80 471 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,160 » to the instructor. >> Okay understood. Thank you. 472 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,680 » And I'll also mention Mr. Marie, I'm sorry. You're good. Uh I'd also like to 473 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:27,359 mention that um the collateral add-on to that is the 474 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,800 lessons seeing we're going to be seeing more 475 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,839 range ball purchases along that same line. you're most likely to see 476 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:40,880 additional rounds being purchased, especially if those lessons lead to 477 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:45,040 successful experiences that encourages that person to come back or if they buy 478 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,560 a series of lessons, which is not uncommon. They usually offer a package 479 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:54,560 of up to three or four lessons at one time. Um, so there is the potential for 480 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,839 some additional revenue we might not otherwise see if the city were taking 481 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,640 100% because the and this is one of the things one of the candidates brought up 482 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:11,680 that if he's looking at an 8020 split and he charges this is an example only 483 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:16,640 $100 an hour the city would give him $80 of that he's going to take $10 of it and 484 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:23,599 buy that big bucket of range balls. So he's incurring u that expense. So the 485 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,839 practical split that winds up being 7030 as far as the pros concerned. 486 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:32,319 » Mayor Council Harjo, >> on that note 487 00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:38,880 specifically, um one of the things that comes to mind, uh TJ's most recent 488 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:43,599 contract had, uh a carve out for 30 range ball or three 30 large buckets of 489 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:48,720 balls for a month. understanding the schema very much 490 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:54,880 changes with with our um incoming golf pro whoever we shall pick. Um 491 00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:01,040 I'd like to see them afforded some similar manner in the sense of 492 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:07,440 providing them the opportunity and the tools to to grow the game. um being city 493 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:11,920 employee. Uh what that looks like, I'm unsure. In in 494 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:17,200 the in the relationship between city and contractor fulfilling that role, 30 495 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:24,079 bucks balls was an appropriate was an appropriate thing. Um here, if we're 496 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:32,960 doing an 8020 split with the notion that the pro will buy the bucket of balls, um 497 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:39,760 it almost diminishes the value of the 8020 498 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:43,520 and making it a 7030 informally. Um, I'd be willing to to have some discussion 499 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:48,160 about that aspect separate from this because clearly that's not our that's 500 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:54,880 not our uh our discussion item tonight and up for 501 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:58,560 deliberation. But uh I think that is a that is a thing to consider because that 502 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:03,280 would that will add up if we have a pro giving significant amount of lessons. 503 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:09,440 Um, and we want to be able to support our city staff, right? So, 504 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:15,280 if you have a if you have a a formula that you'd like 505 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:19,359 to to propose, I'm all ears for sure. >> Mr. Mayor, Councilman, 506 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,640 » um, Councilman Harjo, I don't know so much right now that we need to know that 507 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:26,880 proportion as much as we need to have the latitude to have that discussion 508 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,960 candidates. Um, 509 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:36,079 that thatformational exchange may look to 510 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:39,119 some like negotiation but it is a matter of looking at the business aspects of it 511 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:44,800 and seeing what they would be comfortable with um coming in here. Um 512 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,359 so I don't have a particular percentage in mind or the mechanics of how best to 513 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,599 handle the range balls for example. I think that's the discussion that becomes 514 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,440 the product of whether or not we have permission to even be having that 515 00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,520 discussion in the first place, which is kind of what the item is is before us is 516 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:05,119 can the folks who are doing the interviews 517 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:10,480 have the latitude to have those discussions with these candidates or are 518 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:15,119 we going to be relegated to saying no, the council's not going to budge on 519 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:19,680 this. It's 100% to the city. I would ask the council to give us a 520 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:26,000 leniency of no low no lower than the 8020, but it gives us um in in those I 521 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,680 won't say negotiations, but obviously they're kind of negotiations. We could 522 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,720 do the when we talking to said candidates, it gives us the availability 523 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,640 to ask them what they're comfortable with. So, 524 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,760 » mayor, >> Councilman McCarthy, 525 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,319 » thank you, Councilman Sanders, for sounds like bringing this up. Um I just 526 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,800 have to go back. We discussed this at length during our budget session this 527 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:54,160 year and we came to the agreement that this year we were going to keep 100% and 528 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:58,319 talk about this next year. And so I'll just state for me I am going to be 529 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:03,520 sticking to that. And while I respect the 530 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:07,680 perspective on it or the opinion I think for me it's one of those of I'm sticking 531 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,319 to what we discussed at length during budget session. So 532 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,400 » Mr. Mayor, >> Councilman Sanders, 533 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:21,119 » I I respect the position my fellow councilman has taken. I'm also reminded 534 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:24,880 of a quote attributed to um Dwight Eisenhower. 535 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:29,440 He said, "Any plan that doesn't allow for change is a bad plan." 536 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:34,960 And the information we're being confronted with during the interviews 537 00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:38,560 tells us that we're not that I hate to say it this way, but we're going to get 538 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:44,640 what we pay for when it comes to this professional. And if we can't find a way 539 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:49,920 to put a quality pro into this formula starting out, then we might as well get 540 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:55,280 the RFP ready because if we don't have a pro that can move this forward, 541 00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:02,480 we're not going to get anywhere. That's just the simplicity of it. 542 00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:07,359 » Mayor Councilman uh Arjo. So the ver verbiage of our new business action item 543 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,400 number two is deliberation to decision regarding instruction lesson 544 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,560 compensation to the golf professional. But we're 545 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:23,200 we're not proposing a particular but asking for the leniency in the in the 546 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:27,520 hiring and recruiting process to dangle the carrot quote unquote. 547 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,760 Is that that 548 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,800 » if you have something to say? [laughter] >> Tiff has something. I guess 549 00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:43,440 » as a staff member I and the person who probably will help draft the offer of 550 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:47,839 employment. The ask would be to what is the percentage we can offer said 551 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,560 employee when we are ready to do a condition of offer. 552 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:55,079 » We'd like to pick one today. >> Yeah. 553 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,079 » Understood. Thank you. 554 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:10,319 So, Mr. Mayor, Councilman Sanders, in order to try to meet our staff's needs, 555 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:13,319 your staff's needs, um, and move this forward. 556 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:20,720 Our two leading candidates both have very specific things they want to 557 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:25,480 accomplish between one October and the start of the next season. Would 558 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:34,000 the council be amanable to granting us that latitude to have 559 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:37,000 theformational discussion during interviews 560 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:44,640 and then we hold a special meeting to have the discussion 561 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:48,640 amongst us what that split will be and what the offer going to the candidate 562 00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:53,599 might be. And if there's no split to be done, then that's what we go back to him 563 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:59,839 with. My my ask is because we have interviews 564 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:04,960 tomorrow and I don't want you guys to feel I'm rushing you by any means, but 565 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:10,000 I'd like to say, "Hey, this is uh um what we've been allotted to if it's 566 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:15,520 8020, 7030, you [clears throat] know, um but just 567 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:20,480 give us the the the best one, but let the the golf hiring committee be able to 568 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:27,119 talk to the candidates, said candidates, and kind of negotiate that. So it might 569 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:31,839 be a 60/40, it might be a 7030, but worst case scenario be an 8020 and not 570 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:37,520 worse, you know what I mean? Just for Councilman Sanders, um, thanks for 571 00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:41,599 saying the hiring committee had that kind of latitude, but it's really going 572 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:47,760 to be your call at the end of the day and then not the committees. So, um, but 573 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:51,359 the mayor does make the point, and I think it's a fair one, that if we're 574 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:56,480 going to have it at all, it is incumbent upon us to know that he 575 00:49:54,319 --> 00:50:00,400 is going to negotiate that or have that conversation 576 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,319 to take it as close to the best the highest percentage to the city as 577 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:09,359 possible. But I don't want to run the risk of losing 578 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:15,280 either of these two candidates if we can actually get them either one to agree. 579 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,839 Um I I it takes a lot to impress me and 580 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:24,240 both these gentlemen tremendously impress me. In fact, I'm not sure why 581 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:29,680 we're talking with why they're talking to us. Um 582 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:35,119 » wish I could share that information with you and perhaps the mayor would or 583 00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:41,200 you know those could be a available through the administrative channels. But 584 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:46,319 bottom line comes back to all the five we talked to. This was an 585 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,319 issue. This was a core issue for them. Um 586 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,640 when we set our course around 100% 587 00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:01,920 we made the best decision we could at the time. I think new information has 588 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:06,960 arised that should cause us to take a second look and should cause us to keep 589 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:11,599 our options open. Um, I think this is a critical piece 590 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:17,119 that I think that's a key component to what we're trying to do and to not give 591 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:22,079 it our best effort to secure the highest likelihood of success is going to come 592 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,559 back to bite us in the end. Councilman Harjo, 593 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:34,640 Councilman Sanders, I would agree largely in the sense that uh 594 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:38,559 say we're to get a pro today and that pro is told 595 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:46,079 city takes 100% of the proceeds of your lessons. There's no incentive for a pro 596 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:50,559 to go out and grow the game. And that's that's the term that we've thrown around 597 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:56,559 for the last nine months and change as we talk about the golf course and the 598 00:51:52,640 --> 00:52:03,680 formulation of the future. Um, if this is the tool that gets that gets 599 00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:11,520 the class A pro that that moves numbers on this course and changes the overall 600 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:16,800 revenue and expense schema, um, I amable to the 601 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,880 to a split percentage. I would ask one thing, you be decisive. Just pick it 602 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:27,280 now. you'll that you go into those interviews knowing um what your what 603 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:34,480 your limit is uh rather than a negotiation point. We then can calculate 604 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:40,800 based on on expense and revenue upon that. Um there are some some comparables 605 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:47,920 throughout the region uh that I've come to understand that maybe less in revenue 606 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:53,599 is not is not really exceeding maybe the the 20 607 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:59,680 30,000 annually mark just based on the volume of like lessons versus time on 608 00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:05,920 the clock, right? Uh, I think what we're dealing with right here is a is probably 609 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:12,960 in the grand scheme of things a fairly trivial amount of of revenue and expense 610 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:17,040 shift. Um, not so trivial that it doesn't make the difference. But where 611 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:22,240 it will make the difference is if the if the game of of golf grows within the 612 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:29,040 community and we get more utilization at the course at the full price for 613 00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:34,000 uh uh for greens fees, trail fees, cart rental fees, um then we're already 614 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:39,362 ahead. So I'm willing to entertain somebody's 615 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:41,382 motion to matter. [clears throat] 616 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,839 Okay. 617 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:57,599 I move that the mayor and u the hiring committee that he has 618 00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:04,280 chosen be authorized to discuss with 619 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,280 candidates. 620 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,760 The ability to split fees for instruction 621 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:20,240 not to exceed 80% to the pro, 20% to the city, and to 622 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:26,640 the lowest ratio agreeable 623 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:31,280 between the city and the candidates. >> Second. It's been motioned and seconded. 624 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,119 Any further discussion? Hearing none, I'll call for the question. Council 625 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,040 Harjo, >> I. 626 00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:38,400 » Councilman McCarthy, I. >> Councilman Sanders, 627 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,720 » I. All right, we're going to run down to action item new uh number three, new 628 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:46,599 business, oil DCC grant authorized mayor to sign contract. 629 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:56,480 » Um it's a fantastic prospect for the community. I'm glad that OLDC uh 630 00:54:54,559 --> 00:55:02,960 uh sent the invitation over to apply for this and we're within the window. Um 631 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:06,680 make a motion to approve uh signing the letter uh to OLDCC. 632 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,520 before the due date. 633 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,160 Been a motion. Do I have a second? Second. 634 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,040 Motion and second. Any further discussion 635 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,040 hearing? Now, I'll call Oh, Councilman McCarthy. 636 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,800 » Sorry, just looking through your letter since we just got this. 637 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:37,920 » The due date is September 24th. >> No, 30th. I have to sign it by the 30th 638 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:44,240 is what I got from Alexa this morning and she got it 639 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:46,640 this morning. Let me find it here. Mayor Councilman Harel, 640 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,200 » the letter says, "Timely submissions will ensure we can issue an award to be 641 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,440 counter signed no later than September 24th 642 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:58,760 6." >> Oh, yeah. Why did she tell me the 30th? 643 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,640 » Curious. Mayor, you said the 30th, but it says on the other 24th for counter 644 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,599 signs. >> Let me find it here. Sorry. 645 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:18,559 » Yeah. Okay. Well, 24th 30th, >> Mr. Mayor, um looking at that paragraph, 646 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:24,640 fellow members, this is their um 647 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:29,839 they're asking us to make sure we have a timely submission 648 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,440 so they can try to obligate funds with count and they have the counter side by 649 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:36,720 24th. But to make the point, they want to obligate the funding available before 650 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:44,079 it expires at the end of the fiscal year. So 24 is the target date, 651 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:49,599 but they would have technically up until midnight on the 30th to obligate those 652 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,040 funds. It was just their big concern to get these fiscal year funds obligated. 653 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,000 » Mayor, >> Councilman McCarthy, 654 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,119 » clarification. I thought during budget we had discussed that we were already 655 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:02,559 applying for that. We were waiting to hear for if we were awarded in September 656 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,720 and October. Is this a different one, Chris? 657 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:13,839 » Oh, same one. Um, they allow you to, so you win the, how do I say this? They 658 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:17,119 allow you the opportunity. You can apply all you want, but then 659 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,040 what happens the next go around, then they allow you the opportunity to put in 660 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,079 a grant or an application. Correct me if I'm wrong. And then once you put in the 661 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:27,520 application, they do all their the background, they do all their stuff, 662 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:34,319 then they'll say, "Hey, congratulations." And then hence um this 663 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:37,680 stuff. So it's always one of those you know, congratulations. You're 664 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:39,119 allowed to just apply for it now. It's weird. 665 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:42,240 » It's really weird. >> Did I Did I Did I butcher that? 666 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,920 » You know, well, I mean, it's a complicated process. So, anybody can 667 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:49,680 apply, >> and then which is what we we brought 668 00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:52,960 forward. We'd like to apply. Anybody can apply. But then at a certain point, 669 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:58,000 which this point was in September, they said, "Okay, all of you that applied, 670 00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:01,839 now you can actually submit an application." So that's when we started 671 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:08,799 putting together the package that has the lagoon design, has 672 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,520 all the the um environmental and all that kind of stuff. That's the second 673 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,480 step. That's what >> no different than the tap program. It 674 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,760 » it's very similar. Yeah. >> Just want to make sure. I know we had 675 00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:20,799 discussed that during budget. So I wanted to make sure. Did we apply or did 676 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:25,119 we submit >> this? Yes, this is the application. 677 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,160 » Okay. >> All right. Any further discussion? 678 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,359 Hearing none, I'll call for the question. Council Sanders. 679 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,400 » Hi. >> Council McCarthy. 680 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,319 » Hi. >> Council Harjo. 681 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:36,720 » Hi. >> All right. We're going to run down to 682 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:42,559 final comments. I got a couple. So, the the big potholes down in Legacy will be 683 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:47,359 done Thursday. Um they uh scheduled that with the asphalt plant. So, they'll get 684 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:52,640 the asphalt. Um APHAD. Phenomenal job. All the the APAD uh people that put that 685 00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:57,520 together, phenomenal. Killed it. Um, and then, uh, 686 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:02,319 Alexa, our grant administrator, and myself and, 687 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:06,799 uh, Tiffany went to the Land of Water Conservation 688 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:12,240 Foundation today, and Alexa did a fantastic job in doing a presentation 689 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:15,680 for a another grant. And then the last I have on the F-111 in Carmela Park. We've 690 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,839 been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. 691 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:26,160 So, I had uh Pawns reach out and I called him back and he was like, "I'm so 692 00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:31,119 sorry." And this is um he had a his lead guy have a heart attack and then he had 693 00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:35,920 a guy uh and then he has like another I think six more jets out there. He said, 694 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,839 "I'm going to try to get a certain section of these jets done and then in 695 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:44,480 two weeks if the weather's still good, I'll come do the F-111." worst case 696 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:49,359 scenario because he had a guy quit and the other guy had a heart attack. He'll 697 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:53,440 come in springtime to finalize the F11. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew 698 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,240 about the F11 because I've had countless citizens asking me about it because we 699 00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:01,280 budgeted a long time ago and we just been waiting on um him to come back from 700 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:07,280 DC and so then he's got a ton of jets out at the Air Force base. So F11 701 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:12,160 hopefully, fingers crossed, done in two weeks or or started in two weeks. Worst 702 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:18,480 case scenario, uh, he said springtime. Did I butcher that, Tiff? Okay. 703 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:22,240 All right. Anything else, council? Mayor, Councilman McCarthy, 704 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:27,040 » where are we at with a follow-up meeting with ITD? I think we've had a 705 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,839 considerable outreach from the public regarding some 706 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:35,920 intersections, which Thank you, Phoenix. Um, 707 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:40,640 yeah, I'm curious where we're at with it. I I don't know where do you have 708 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:44,240 when was the last time you talked to uh Vincent? 709 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:48,400 » We we the last interaction we had was we sent an email to Vince with available 710 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:53,480 dates and we have not heard back from them yet. 711 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:53,480 » Go ahead. 712 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:04,160 » I did not see that email so I wasn't included in it. 713 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,480 » So we'll get you an answer tomorrow. >> We'll get it. He's he's been 714 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,200 interactive. I'm not trying to throw him under the bus. We've just been going 715 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:15,680 back and forth. Yeah. >> When was that email sent, Chris? 716 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:20,520 » Last email I got from him was my email. I did not have that open. 717 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,520 Sorry. 718 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,880 It was less than that. I believe. 719 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:34,319 And then another thing I want the the citizens to know that we have that on 720 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:41,440 our master transportation plan that has get um it's working with ITD um 721 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:47,680 their road. We have obviously one go out permits get get okays get funding for 722 01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:52,400 it. um the 18th Street light over uh when we redid 18th Street, I think that 723 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:57,280 light was around, and don't quote me on it, but I think it was around $400,000. 724 01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:02,799 And then we ended up um ascertaining like a LTE um grant for that. Um that 725 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,799 well, what we did is we re reached out to Eltech say, "Hey, do you have any 726 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,200 funding?" Because we were about $800,000 short to finish uh 18th Street over by 727 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:16,240 the junior high. Um, at the time we reached out to Deltech, they said, "Hey, 728 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:20,559 we have I think it was like $750,000 left in our that we can award you guys." 729 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:25,119 And so, um, if members sered, we were able to 730 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:28,160 apply for it and we found, you know, obviously we didn't find, but we had 731 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:31,359 $50,000 in our street department. And so, um, that one is no different. We'll 732 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,359 we'll we'll still do the our due diligence and see if uh and we'll 733 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:42,960 that'll be our it's one of our number one priorities uh for for LT or not for 734 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:46,319 LTE but for ITD because that has been I work over or I don't work over there. 735 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:51,040 My wife works over there. I have an office over there. I I I've seen I've 736 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,040 seen exactly where you're coming from. So let us let us do this. We're going to 737 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,720 find out um when we're going to meet with ITD anyways and then we'll reach 738 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:05,119 out if you can stay here. Um I'll get your your number and your email and then 739 01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:08,799 we'll uh I'll reach out to you tomorrow once we get something more, you know, 740 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:13,119 kind of more clarified. >> Uh Councilman uh McCarthy Chris, do you 741 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,839 have >> I'm not finding it. It was sent by 742 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,680 Tiffany and I'm trying to figure out what 743 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:23,520 » So I spoke with IT and it sounds like there's some miscommunication going on 744 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,400 between the city, >> okay, 745 01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:29,599 » and it and it's frustrating to me because 746 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:34,319 » this needs to be addressed. We need to bring them back, not Vince Tranoli. We 747 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:39,200 need to bring back the design team, which is Aaron Vargas, all of them here 748 01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:43,520 because they are the ones that are going to be giving us the approval when it 749 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:46,160 comes to these. Chris, not to put you under the fire, but I'm sure you 750 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:50,319 remember with our DFAC meeting last year, we had Wendy How here and we 751 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:55,680 specifically discussed that Airbase Road and Hasuit intersection. 752 01:03:52,960 --> 01:04:01,359 She flat out said we would have to have an IDAP waiver because it is so close. 753 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:06,079 I haven't seen anything with any progress on that, but we have all these 754 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:10,079 intersections here. We need it, not Vince Trimolley, the real people that 755 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:14,880 can make these decisions. And quite frankly, I'm frustrated that this seems 756 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:20,640 to just be getting kicked down the road. So, I implore my fellow council members 757 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:25,039 to it's time to put some feet to the fire and get another meeting with ITD 758 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:29,119 going so that we can truly get it going. It's been over a year since the last 759 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:32,799 IPAC meeting when we had them. Nothing has been done. Just talks of it's our 760 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:38,319 number one priority. It's in the master transportation plan and quite frankly, 761 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:42,640 I'm done with it. So, I'm asking now, let's get ITD here. Don't know why the 762 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:45,359 communication mess up is not going to sit here and throw Vince under. I'm not 763 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:51,920 going to sit in here and throw anyone on city staff. This needs to be done. We 764 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:55,119 cannot do these things without IT ITD. It'd be like taking dirt and throwing it 765 01:04:53,440 --> 01:05:01,599 on someone else's property without their permission and thinking it's okay. We 766 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:08,079 need ITD. We have the TAP program that we have that that's been part of. Chris, 767 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:13,319 you remember we have to have it. So, I would like to see them. They said 768 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,319 they're very open at the end of October. 769 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:21,720 That's all I have. Thanks. Yep. All right. Mayor, Councilman Harjo, 770 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:30,960 for mayor and staff, kind of building on that conversation, um 771 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:35,200 would it be wise of us to engage Ardura, the 772 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,839 engineer behind the master transportation plan in some of this 773 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,839 conversation? >> Yeah, 774 01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,480 just a question. Sure. >> That's an easy ask. 775 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:55,599 » Also, mayor. >> Yes, sir. 776 01:05:53,359 --> 01:06:01,599 » Um, Aphad was a was a big deal for this 777 01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:05,920 community this year. Um, we had dozens and dozens of volunteers. Um, hard to 778 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:12,000 name them all, so I won't make an attempt to, but uh, this year was very 779 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:16,960 special in the in the 250th year. was also very near um a significant 780 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:22,559 milestone birth date of uh the US Air Force. So I think uh I think uh big 781 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:27,200 thank you to to Aphad and the crew there is is 782 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:31,359 um is very due. They they put a lot of work in to to make sure this year was 783 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:36,960 very successful and it um it was very well attended in that way. Uh also um 784 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:40,400 wanted to say thanks to the uh Daughters of the American Resolution. They did a 785 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:46,480 they did a really cool presentation at the library the other day. Um 786 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:52,000 um mayor's proclamation was read there. Uh they engaged with a lot of kids. It 787 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:54,720 was timed great. Shasta, thank you. Um a bunch of kids getting out of school 788 01:06:53,039 --> 01:07:01,200 right at that moment and they were like very captured by that moment. um with 789 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:05,680 our uh you know with our actors uh playing George Washington and and his 790 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:09,760 wife. It was it was actually it was really entertaining to watch the kids 791 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:13,760 engage with them. Um but thank you for putting that kind of stuff on Cheston. I 792 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:18,920 really appreciate it. And then lastly um my folks are here want to say hi. 793 01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,920 They're from in from 794 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:27,079 putting up with a this is a short show tonight so [laughter] 795 01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:27,079 » it's rare. 796 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:38,079 I represent that [laughter] >> might happen once in a while. 797 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:42,200 » Alrighty. Uh meeting a journ and and welcome back to Mountain Home. 798 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,400 I carry group.