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Okay, welcome to the regular um or

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welcome to the special council meeting

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of March 12th. Uh we'll call the meeting

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to order. Um

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before I go into introductions, I'll

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just uh ask everyone if they could

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please tell uh turn their cell phones to

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off as I do that myself.

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and please note that the council

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meetings are being livereamed, recorded,

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and retained. All personal information

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collected will be managed in accordance

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with the access to information act. Uh,

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and with that, I will start with

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introductions, and I'll start with Jeff,

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please.

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>> Good morning, Jeff Holmes, chief

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» Good morning, Jeff Holmes, chief

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administrative officer.

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>> Good morning, Jennifer Lutz, division 7

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» Good morning, Jennifer Lutz, division 7

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counselor.

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>> Good morning, Peggy Johnson, division 6

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» Good morning, Peggy Johnson, division 6

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counselor. Good morning, Tiffany Nixon,

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>> Good morning, Angela Alers, division

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» Good morning, Angela Alers, division

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five and reef.

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>> Good morning, Angela Look, division

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» Good morning, Angela Look, division

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>> Morning, Greg Harris, division 2.

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» Morning, Greg Harris, division 2.

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>> Good morning, Dwayne Fulton, division

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» Good morning, Dwayne Fulton, division

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>> Good morning, Laura Campman's, executive

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» Good morning, Laura Campman's, executive

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>> Good morning, Abdullah Gonzalez,

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» Good morning, Abdullah Gonzalez,

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planner.

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>> Good morning, Jessica Ross, assistant

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» Good morning, Jessica Ross, assistant

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director of planning and development

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>> Good morning, Shelley French

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» Good morning, Shelley French

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Communications.

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>> Thank you. And before we um actually go

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» Thank you. And before we um actually go

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into the public hearing, maybe I'll just

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give a little bit of an overview of our

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bylaw number 0426. This is establishing

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the procedure and the conduct of public

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hearings. Um so there's quite a bit in

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this but after I open the public hearing

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uh we uh planning will do uh their um

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presentation to council and then the

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applicant or their agent will be

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provided an opportunity to uh give

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council new information and additional

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information for procedural fairness. Uh

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the applicant will be restricted on

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their time uh in which they can do their

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presentation. Following the applicant's

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presentation, uh we will allow anyone in

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the audience or online, anyone in the

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gallery or online uh to address council.

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address council and then uh council may

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have additional questions afterwards. If

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you are speaking on behalf of a group or

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multiple parties that are not within

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the chair and then you'll be granted

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additional time if you're speaking on

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the mic, if you could just please state

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just want to make sure that we have the

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minutes as accurately reflected as we

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can. The mic will be live.

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So, with that, we have an agenda in

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front of us. Could I have a motion to

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adopt the agenda? Since it is a special

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meeting, we won't be taking any

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additional agenda items. Uh, moved by

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Councelor Nixon. I will call to question

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all in favor.

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And that motion is carried.

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So we'll move on to item uh number 3.1.

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So this is a a joint public hearing that

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will deal with the redesations of lands

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and that's bylaw number LU0126

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as well as the amending as well as

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amending the land use bylaw to insert a

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provision of water wells specific to the

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lands in question. So we will be doing a

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joint public hearing today. So with

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that, I will open both public hearings.

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Um, so the bylaw number, this is for

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bylaw number LU 0126

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being a bylaw of Mountain View County in

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the province of Alberta to amend land

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use bylaw number 1024 affecting the

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southeast 3331 West the 5th and plan

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block A pursuant to the municipal

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government act as contained in the

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agenda package. With that, I will open

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the public hearing for that bylaw.

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Bylawa number 0126, a bylaw of Mountain

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View County in the province of Alberta

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to amend the land use bylaw number 1024

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to add section 12.2 country residential

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one district other development

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regulations subsection H as contained in

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the agenda package. And with that, I

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will open the public hearing on that

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bylaw. With that, I will turn it over to

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planning.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. A staff

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Mine's still working.

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Yours are They're back on.

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» Okay, here we go. The staff presentation

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begins on page 1,26

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of the agenda package. Greg Brown is the

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applicant on behalf of AB Newfield and

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two Alberta companies. The applications

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are located within division 7.

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This slide provides a summary of the

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applications being presented for

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council's consideration today. To the

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left, the reesignation proposal involves

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multiple reasses designations to allow

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for a phase one mixeduse subdivision.

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This includes residential, commercial,

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industrial, and agree burn buffer

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between the two. In the center, the

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proposed textual amendment to section

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12.2 of the line use bylaw. This

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includes provisions requiring water

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wells on residential lots to be drilled

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at a specific depth. And to the right,

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the proposed consent plan which provides

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the full buildout of the quarter

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section, including proposed facing and

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servicing strategies.

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The subject lands are located in the

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rural community of Netuk between the

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town of Ols to the west and the Q2 to

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the east.

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characterized by a mix of uses. This

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includes large and a small agricultural

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pursuits, the Ols golf course and a

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multi-law residential developments to

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the north, lands designated as business

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industrial park to the east, and the

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town of Ols and the Ols College to the

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west and southwest.

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The topography in this area is

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relatively flat with gentle north to

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south slopes not exceeding 4%.

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Specifically on this quarter section

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soils have Canada land inventory class

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one rating with an aggressive land

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suitability rating system class three.

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very good to excellent excellent arable.

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There are no name water bodies or lakes

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identified on this property.

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The biohysical impact assessment

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submitted in support of this application

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include uh concludes that there are

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three ephemeral water bodies and one wet

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land on the property. As noted on this

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report, any impact on these features

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will require water act approval and

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compensation in accordance with water

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with um Alberta wetland policy.

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Oil and gas facilities are limited to

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natural gas lines currently servicing

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residences in the area.

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The phase one environmental site

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assessment found no evidence of active

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contamination from previous oil and gas

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activity. However, to ensure no drilling

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related waste is present, a soil

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management plan will be required as a

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condition of subdivision approval should

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council approve these applications.

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The historical aerial photographs from

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2008 to the present demonstrate that the

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subject lands remain an undeveloped

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quarter section used for crop

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production.

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The proposed phase one will include 16

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contra residential one lots, two

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industrial business park lots, two parks

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and recreation district lots, six public

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utility lots along with internal roads,

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temporary gravel roads and a road

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widening. This totals 26 lots within

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The exact number of subsequent

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development beyond phase one remains

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flexible. However, the long-term concept

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envisions a total of 62 lots of which 45

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are residential, six business

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industrial, seven for storm water, and

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four parks and recreation for a green

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buffer featuring a BM for visual

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screening and noise attenuation.

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Phase one will be accessed via three

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main internal subdivision roads directly

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from Retro 12. The first internal road

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provides access to the industrial

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commercial lots and includes a temporary

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gravel gravel turnaround. This road must

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be dedicated as a service road and

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constructed to county standards. The two

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northern internal roads provide access

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to the residential lots. They will be

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connected by a temporary gravel surface

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road and must also be constructed to

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county standards. Range 12 will be

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upgraded to an unrestricted road

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standard from Highway 27 intersection to

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the northern property line approximately

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800 meters. As recommended by

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operational services, a phase approach

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to this upgrade will not be acceptable.

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Future phases will require the extension

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of these internal roads to county

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standards.

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Phase one proposes uh generally uh

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drains to the east towards range road 12

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while some western portions drain north

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and west. The application proposes six

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bio retention ponds located at the east

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end of the internal roads and two

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temporary dugouts within the remaining

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agricultural lands. These ponds will be

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within public utility lots.

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As outlined in the concept plan,

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development beyond phase one will

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require the decommissioning of two

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temporary dogouts and the construction

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of a permanent permanent storm water

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pond facility in the southwest corner.

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While the applicant is proposing a chair

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use arrangement for this facility with

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the all's cold course, the county

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reserves its position until the

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applicant provides additional

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information during future phasing

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applications.

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In accordance with the figure three of

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the municipal development plan, the

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proposal is within the highway 2 and 27

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special policy area. This policy area is

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a strategic location comparable to

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economic nodes intended to direct future

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higher density residential, commercial

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and industrial development like this

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application in order to minimize

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premature conversion of agricultural

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land elsewhere. The applicant has

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prepared engineering studies for phase

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one addressing servicing infrastructure

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and storm management in compliance with

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the municipal development plan.

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The applicant submitted a groundwater

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report as required by the water act to

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avoid interference with neighboring

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users drawing from shallow aquifers. All

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residential wells for phase one

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must be drilled to a minimum depth of 40

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m.

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Because the county does not typically

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require wells to be drilled before

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subdivision registration

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and the water act does not require

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approval for residential wells. The

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applicant proposes incorporating this 40

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meter requirement into section 12.2 of

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the land use bylaw. This ensures future

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development remains consistent with the

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reports findings and protects integrity

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of surrounding water wells.

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regarding

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the southern adjacent um lands adjacent

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to Highway 27. And in order to provide

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access to the industrial business park

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lots, a 30 meter service road will be

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required to be dedicated and be

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constructed to county standards.

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All entrances and exits for this

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proposal will be directly from Range

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Road 12. As confirmed, this road is

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required to be upgraded to an

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unrestricted road standard for

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approximately 800 meters.

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As confirmed in the concept plan, future

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phases will require a storm water pond

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to be constructed in the southwest

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corner. The chair approach proposed by

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the applicant with the old golf course

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will be evaluated in the future once

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more information is provided.

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This is general location of the

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ephemeral water body and the wetlands

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identified on this property. As

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indicated any impact of these features

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requires water act approval and Alberta

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wetland policy compensation.

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This is a general view of the proposed

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phase one adjacent to Range Road 12.

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Based on county's policies and the

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merits of the proposal, planning and

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development recommends support for these

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applications. The reassignation complies

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with the highway 227 special policy area

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and the textual amendment to the land

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use bylaw provides the legislative power

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to the approving authority to enforce

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minimum water well depths. As a result,

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these applications will have minimum

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impact on the surrounding area. Thank

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you. This concludes my presentation and

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the applicant and his team are here to

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answer any questions. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Does the applicant have any

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» Thank you. Does the applicant have any

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new or additional information they would

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like to provide?

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Good morning, Ree and counselors. My

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name is Greg Brown. I'm one of the

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owners and the applicant. Uh with me

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today are most of the members of my

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consulting team. I still have one that

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might be on the road. Uh maybe. Okay.

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So, I've put together uh our consulting

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team that has worked on the various

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studies. Uh so, with me today are Ken

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Hugo as well as Elena Bleski or Felski,

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our professional hydraologist who did

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the groundwater and sewage treatment

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work. Dave Watt, professional engineer,

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uh municipal engineering. Bruce

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Nelligan, Penge, who did our

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transportation planning, had called us

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and said he's uh just running a little

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late. Paul Jacobs, Penge, a storm water

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management plan. Steven Tannis,

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uh, PhD, professional aologist,

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biohysical work. Mark Lahar,

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uh, professional geologist, soil and

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land use history. Uh, Mark is online.

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and I think he's out of the he's out of

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the country at this time. Darby Henshaw,

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registered public planner, uh public

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engagement.

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Uh Dave Hoggarth, uh worked with us on

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our marketing, uh work and the demand

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for the properties and he's not here at

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this time and myself.

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uh I will be the only presenter for our

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team uh to just give an introduction of

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a few additional facts related to uh the

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application.

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Um and then uh any questions can be

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forwarded to uh any members of the team.

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Um could I have the next slide on the

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presentation? Uh this is just an outline

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of the the comments that I'm going to be

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making.

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Uh our initial concept plan and

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applications were refined after hearing

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concerns and ideas by our neighbors at

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our initial openhouse with the input of

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the provincial and other referral

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agencies and the helpful comments and

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inputs from your county planners,

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engineers, and administration.

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groundwater and future wells. Our

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neighbors very valid concerns for

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maintenance of their ongoing wellwater

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supplies led to our hydraologists

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recommending a minimum 40 m well depth

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for all future wells. These new wells

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will draw water from aquifers below

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those of our neighbors where which are

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roughly 12 to 29 m below the surface.

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The administration helped us with the

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idea of a textual amendment to the

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county land use bylaw, which will

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require proof of a well having been

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drilled to a minimum of 40 m before a

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development permit is issued for future

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residential development.

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Sewage treatment. Due to seasonal high

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water tables in some portions of the

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quarter section, mounded septic

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facilities will be required for all

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future residential dwellings. These will

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be built to provincial standards.

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Storm water management.

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Our meetings with Jason Cluston, course

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superintendent, the golf club, helped us

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with what seems to be a win-win scenario

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for excess storm water. We proposed to

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enable the golf club to use some of the

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storm water from our storm water pond

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during dry periods. The details of this

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arrangement, which will require an

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amendment to the water license for the

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golf club, will be worked out with

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Alberta Environment, the golf club, the

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county, and Paul of our storm of storm

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water solutions as part of the more

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detailed engineering in the phase 2 land

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use and subdivision applications.

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Transportation impact assessment. Our

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transportation impact assessment was

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accepted by Alberta Transportation.

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It indicates that even after full

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development of the concept plan and

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steady growth of traffic along Highway

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27, no improvements to the Range Road 12

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and Highway 27 intersection will be

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required other than an intersection

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delineation light required in roughly 20

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years.

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service road along Highway 27.

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Alberta Transportation indicated that a

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frontage or service road with a future

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opportunity for connection to the west

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was required along Highway 27 to control

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commercial access. This design feature

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has the added benefit of providing an

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attractive front of business appearance

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to the industrial commercial area for

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all users of Highway 27 and a desirable

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advertising and exposure opportunity for

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all future businesses.

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Burm and signage notice of the concept

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plan. A burm and linear open space is

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proposed as a transition and a noise and

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visibility buffer between the commercial

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industrial uses and the country

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residential uses. The proposal is for a

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3.7 meter 12.1 ft high burm built to

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county standards. The integration of a

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linear open space between the

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residential lots and the burm will

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encourage residents to exercise, walk

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their dogs and meet each other in

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attractive naturalized setting. Use of

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this open space uh opportunity will help

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enhance users health and well-being.

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Adjacent to the Burm and Range Road 12,

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we propose a large and I quote like a

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buyer take notice sign indic indicating

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to all future lot buyers that the

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concept plan for this quarter section

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includes commercial industrial uses

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fronting on Highway 27 as well as

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country residential lots. We will also

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require all buyers to sign an

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acknowledgement of this concept plan and

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situation when purchasing a lot.

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Certainly, no one wants future residents

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to be surprised after they move in about

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any future commercial industrial uses

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south of the Burm adjacent to Highway

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27.

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Temporary wetlands.

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We propose to have Steven and Tannis

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Conservation deal with Alberta

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environment and the seasonal wetland and

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ephemeral or temporal wetlands in a

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manner consistent with the water act

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approval for wetland disturbance.

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Soil and land use history.

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While there is no identified soil

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contamination

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due to the short-lived oil gas well

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drilled in 1978,

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to be cautious, Mark and Bofrost

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proposes to prepare a soil management

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plan that provides guidance to all

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parties parties disturbing soil in the

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vicinity of the decommissioned well to

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make sure that if any unexpected

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drilling related waste is encountered,

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that it is handled properly.

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Range road 12 asphalt overlay. We

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propose to provide an asphalt overlay

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over the current 75% load limit roadway

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on range road 12 in order to make it an

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unrestricted

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county road enabling 100% weight loads.

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This will preserve and enhance the

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county's investment in providing a high

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standard roadway to existing residents,

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users of the golf club as well as future

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residents and commercial industrial

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users and customers.

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Cost responsibility of the developer. We

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want to reinforce and confirm the

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administration report comments that we

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will be responsible for all costs

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associated with making phase one one and

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all future phases ready the build.

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So in conclusion,

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uh we would like to thank the

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administration for working with us

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throughout the planning application

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process to help us propose a plan that

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is consistent with the county vision and

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objectives for the highway 2 and 27

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special policy area in the MDP.

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We are pleased to propose and seek

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approval for a balanced, efficient, and

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coordinated growth plan that

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accommodates growth in the county and

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leverages the area's strategic assets,

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primarily the Olds Golf Club and the

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Highway 27

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transportation corridor, all in a manner

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that is appropriate for the quarter

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section and respects and preserves the

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ground groundwater. water supplies of

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our neighbors and their wells.

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So that is the conclusion of my

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presentation. Uh my consulting team and

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I are prepared to answer any questions

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you might have either now or at at a

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point in the public hearing.

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>> Uh thank you Mr. Brown. So we'll go um

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» Uh thank you Mr. Brown. So we'll go um

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uh we'll ask if there's anyone in the

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gallery that would like to speak and

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then we'll go online and I'm sure

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council will have questions for you and

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your team.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

560
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,919
Uh so uh we'll move to the next portion

561
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:03,440
of the public hearing. So we'll start

562
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,200
with anyone who is in the gallery that

563
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,039
wants to speak in favor or in opposition

564
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,840
and then we will move to online. Any of

565
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880
those wishing to speak online once I ask

566
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,320
the question if you could raise your

567
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,919
virtual hand then we will make sure that

568
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:18,159
administration um unmutes you and you're

569
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,240
able to speak. So I'll first ask if

570
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,679
there's anyone in the gallery that would

571
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:23,440
like to speak uh in favor of this

572
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,430
application.

573
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Is there anyone in the gallery who would

574
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,640
like to speak in opposition to this

575
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,350
application?

576
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,159
» Like

577
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,470
>> uh would you like to please come to the

578
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:40,480
» uh would you like to please come to the

579
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,399
um come to the mic and uh state and

580
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:45,600
spell your name for the record, please?

581
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,350
>> Uh my name is Jason Ken. CL L O S T O N.

582
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:49,360
» Uh my name is Jason Ken. CL L O S T O N.

583
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,039
I'm the superintendent of the Olds Golf

584
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,840
Course. I'm in I'm here primarily to

585
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440
acknowledge that there's agreement in

586
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,559
principle to man help new roast and Greg

587
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,120
Brown manage their storm water. Uh and

588
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,640
that is pretty much um why I'm here to

589
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,159
support them. So if you have any

590
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,640
questions for me as regarding the old

591
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,399
golf course, I can certainly answer

592
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:11,279
those.

593
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,870
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Clusen. Thank

594
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:12,880
» Thank you very much, Mr. Clusen. Thank

595
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,679
you. So I'll ask one more time if

596
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:16,960
there's anyone in the gallery who would

597
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,720
like to either speak in favor or in

598
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,159
opposition to this application.

599
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:24,399
Okay. So, I'll move to online. Is there

600
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,159
anyone online who would like to speak

601
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,559
either in favor or in opposition to this

602
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:29,840
application? And if you could please

603
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,279
raise your virtual hand, we'll make sure

604
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:36,149
we unmute you.

605
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:39,039
Okay. So, seeing no one online who wants

606
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,519
to speak in favor or in opposition, I

607
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,519
will open the floor uh for council to

608
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,320
ask questions. Uh to administration, uh

609
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,440
the applicant in their team or um since

610
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,840
no one spoke in favor or in opposition,

611
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,440
uh we're looking for questions for the

612
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,830
applicant or administration.

613
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,000
Councelor Johnson.

614
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Um I have a couple of questions perhaps

615
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
for the applicant. Yes, please go ahead.

616
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,880
Thank you. Um thanks for uh both to

617
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,799
planning and to the applicant for their

618
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,000
uh presentations. Um I see in the

619
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,480
extensive uh report that uh the top soil

620
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,880
um is class one or aggressed class 3 and

621
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,960
uh ranges from a depth of 2 to 3 m which

622
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,679
is equivalent to 8 to 12 in. My

623
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,720
understanding from looking uh at the uh

624
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,840
studies that were done is that um a

625
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,480
large amount of this top soil is going

626
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,760
to be piled up into a burm and I'm

627
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080
wondering if that's the best use of the

628
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720
top soil.

629
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,480
Uh our our proposal as we develop is to

630
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,120
just use the top soil um from the roads

631
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,840
that we are building. uh the top soil

632
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,039
off of the pond as well as all the roads

633
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,279
and then ultimately

634
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,159
um not initially but certainly

635
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,559
ultimately the top soil off the

636
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,159
industrial lots will be available for

637
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:15,440
that use. And so we will be using top

638
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,399
soil from those areas uh on the up the

639
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:22,720
outside or the upper portions of the

640
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,320
burm. Uh we still will have some top

641
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,760
soil in excess. Uh but all of the top

642
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640
soil that that is on the lots will be

643
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
retained on the lots for the residents

644
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,720
to incorporate into their property

645
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,279
development.

646
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,509
>> Thank Yes. Go ahead.

647
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:43,519
» Thank Yes. Go ahead.

648
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,990
>> Thanks. An unrelated second question.

649
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:46,000
» Thanks. An unrelated second question.

650
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,559
Um, one of the other documents uh in the

651
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:52,320
package suggested that um the fire

652
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
department was concerned that the

653
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,919
permanent uh fire suppression water

654
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:01,440
supply won't be built until phase two.

655
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,519
Um I was wondering if you could speak to

656
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,279
that concern please.

657
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,710
>> Uh that is correct. I mean the we did

658
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:08,720
» Uh that is correct. I mean the we did

659
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,280
meet we've spoken to the county about

660
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,679
fire and the timing of the pond uh as

661
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,119
well as the fire chief ins

662
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,599
uh we are located very close to the town

663
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,520
of SS and he indicated even when that

664
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,879
storm pond is available most likely they

665
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,599
will be just moving trucks if there was

666
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,320
the fire emergency that they would be

667
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,720
moving trucks back and forth between in

668
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:41,919
the town and um our particular site. But

669
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:44,159
you are correct, we are not providing

670
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,399
this storm pond until phase two and but

671
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:52,639
we are hopeful that in this phasing uh

672
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,399
that we will only be sort of three to

673
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:58,320
four years

674
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,560
uh in an ideal world only two to three

675
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200
years away from uh building the

676
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,400
remainder of this plan after phase one.

677
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Part of the reason for the phasing of

678
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,119
the development is we want to understand

679
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,400
the exact market and we want to keep as

680
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
much of the land in agricultural

681
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,760
production for as long as it's not

682
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,839
needed for the particular development

683
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:24,079
itself and we'll be we'll be creating

684
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,040
that effort. So uh it's it's correct the

685
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,119
pond will not be available until our

686
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,960
second phase or an emergency use. Um,

687
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,800
but the fire chief, I just wanted to

688
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,119
share that with you. In in his

689
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,520
conversation as we were talking about

690
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,119
setting up the proper access uh adjacent

691
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,480
to the pond for possible use, he'd also

692
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520
indicated that, you know, he felt the

693
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,280
proximity to the town was going to

694
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160
result in a fairly limited use of that

695
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,680
pond,

696
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,079
likely limited use.

697
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:03,510
>> Thank you. And maybe just to follow up

698
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:03,520
» Thank you. And maybe just to follow up

699
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,280
to administration on that, I see that uh

700
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,760
the fire department did send in a letter

701
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,560
of concern in the first round, but they

702
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,560
did not send in a letter of concern on

703
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520
the second SEC circulation. Um was there

704
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,520
a ration? Did they did they note whether

705
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,280
or not they still had the same concerns

706
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,280
or were their concerns alleviated or did

707
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,839
they just not send in um a a second

708
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:25,440
response?

709
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,950
>> No. In the second round, they didn't

710
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:26,960
» No. In the second round, they didn't

711
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,160
have the same concerns as uh Greg um had

712
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,880
indicated. Um the applicant uh confirmed

713
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,800
that there will be an area there for for

714
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,760
the trucks to get access um in the

715
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,400
southeast pond in the southwest pond and

716
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,720
that uh they will be able to truck in

717
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,680
water if there is uh any fires.

718
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,069
>> Okay, thank you for that. Is there any

719
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:48,079
» Okay, thank you for that. Is there any

720
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:49,440
additional questions? Uh councelor

721
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,560
Harris,

722
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,910
>> Mr. Brown you in your plan for those

723
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:53,920
» Mr. Brown you in your plan for those

724
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,599
commercial/industrial

725
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:00,320
lots. Um industrial is

726
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,920
includes a wide variety of of things.

727
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,160
Some of them could be very heavy water

728
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,839
users. Um what when you're talking

729
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,480
industrial what exactly are you talking?

730
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,920
I I think uh

731
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,280
we uh are applying for the um IBP the

732
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,400
the low sort of you know the lower

733
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,839
intensity industrial use. Um my

734
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:31,359
understanding is any user uh of the

735
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,800
properties uh potential user has to get

736
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,040
their permit for water use from the

737
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,960
province. they'll need a specific um a

738
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,520
specific license to operate based on

739
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
their water use. So, anyone that is

740
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920
deemed by the province to be asking for

741
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,520
an excessive use of water, if it is not

742
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,359
available in their testing or in the

743
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,320
work that is being done through the our

744
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,240
hydraologists, but mostly the provincial

745
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,640
ones would not be granted approval on

746
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,200
this site. So it is the it is really the

747
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,079
provincial control of that water

748
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,560
license. Every industrial commercial

749
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,960
user must get that license from the

750
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,520
province and and justify a proposed use.

751
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,550
>> Okay.

752
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:22,560
» Okay.

753
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,230
>> Yes. Please go ahead, Mr. Harris.

754
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:24,240
» Yes. Please go ahead, Mr. Harris.

755
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,349
>> Um

756
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:25,359
» Um

757
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:26,470
>> Councelor Harris,

758
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:26,480
» Councelor Harris,

759
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,069
>> I'm concerned a little bit that we have

760
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:30,079
» I'm concerned a little bit that we have

761
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:33,200
other industrial parks nearby that are

762
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,280
that are not full.

763
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Um, so I'm wondering what's going to

764
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,079
happen if those do not attract

765
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,920
um, buyers.

766
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,920
What's your plans for that land? Well,

767
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040
as you can see by the plan, we are only

768
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,920
proposing a stub uh frontage road onto

769
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,200
our property, enabling us to have one

770
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,839
retail or commercial property under the

771
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:04,880
2.5 acres and one of the sort of

772
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,119
commercial industrial properties of 5

773
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,520
acres. So if it takes a long time or it

774
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,240
takes a medium amount of time, those

775
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,480
lands will remain in agricultural

776
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,280
production all of the land other than

777
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,760
what is in phase one. We will only sell

778
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,680
those and extend that frontage road as

779
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,040
we see a demand. Uh I did notice this

780
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,800
year uh that the Nuk Business Park there

781
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,640
there was quite a bit of activity

782
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,800
happening over the last year in that

783
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
park. So those although that property

784
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,280
has been developed and available over a

785
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
number of years, it is start it is

786
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
starting to fill up and the property to

787
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,880
the southeast of this that was granted

788
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,280
approval in the last couple of years has

789
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,960
not started development. So, we intend,

790
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,320
we feel that this frontage along Highway

791
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,520
27 is appropriate in the long-term

792
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,040
ultimate use to be industrial, but we

793
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,280
are leaving or we are deliberately

794
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,800
leaving it as an agricultural use until

795
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,359
there is an opportunity to sell the

796
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:21,280
lots. So we may extend this industrial

797
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,800
property in one phase or possibly two

798
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,240
phases so we can keep the ongoing

799
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,960
production agricultural production as

800
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,480
whole as possible.

801
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,470
>> Thank you.

802
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:34,480
» Thank you.

803
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,829
>> Uh councelor LS I had a kind of a series

804
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:37,839
» Uh councelor LS I had a kind of a series

805
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,880
of water related questions. Um and I'm

806
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,480
not sure if we could speak to the

807
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:52,470
hydraologists that would be great.

808
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,000
And if I could just get you to state and

809
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,040
spell your name for the record if you

810
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,760
don't mind, please.

811
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,150
>> I'm I'm Ken Hugo, HUGO. I'm a

812
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:58,160
» I'm I'm Ken Hugo, HUGO. I'm a

813
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,160
professional geologist with APA and we

814
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,079
did the groundwater and the septic field

815
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,599
studies for this project.

816
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,069
>> Thank you, Councelor Lutz. So, um I am

817
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:06,079
» Thank you, Councelor Lutz. So, um I am

818
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,240
the division uh counselor for the area.

819
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,520
So, I've definitely heard from residents

820
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,839
that water is a big concern and I I like

821
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:14,160
what you've done on mitigating some of

822
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160
those concerns. I think that's great. Um

823
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,560
just water quality um does it impact

824
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,760
much when it goes deeper to to the um

825
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,960
beyond the 40 m um work's been done to

826
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,319
make sure that the water quality is

827
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:27,359
going to be good.

828
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:30,069
>> We have installed a through the through

829
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:30,079
» We have installed a through the through

830
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,480
the reef. We have installed a a water

831
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,960
well on the site so we know the aquifer

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,880
is there and the water quality is

833
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,240
acceptable. This is actually the same

834
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,640
aquifer that was previously the town of

835
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
old's uh water supply a long time ago.

836
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,520
So it's it's uh it might take you know

837
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,720
it depends upon the treatment. There

838
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:49,920
might be some treatment for like high

839
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,160
iron comes in from various wells but

840
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,240
overall it's it's acceptable for for

841
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,680
drinking water purposes.

842
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,230
>> And is there any um what would the risk

843
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:58,240
» And is there any um what would the risk

844
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,480
be for co-mingling or communication

845
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,480
between aquifers? Um

846
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,390
>> um for for the commercial wells, Alberta

847
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:04,400
» um for for the commercial wells, Alberta

848
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,200
environment requires um that you can't

849
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,760
you can't co-mingle aquifers has to be

850
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,920
just a single aquifer source for the

851
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,119
domestic wells that's that's um it is

852
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,079
possible to do that still um their needs

853
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,280
domestic aer or domestic demands are are

854
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,960
are modest enough um you get by on two

855
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,839
or three gallons per minute um so that

856
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:31,119
uh the aer below the at the 40 meter

857
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:33,440
depth should be enough to supply uh

858
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,839
domestic needs as well. It's it's

859
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,560
suitably productive for that. So, it's

860
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,520
uh we can't say every we know about

861
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,200
every well in the area, but generally

862
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,640
we're you know we're fairly confident

863
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,880
that that just a single aquifer will be

864
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,599
used and and the drillers um the

865
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,680
drillers have to take uh have to take

866
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,480
efforts to seal off any upper aquifers

867
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,839
uh in the well either through surface

868
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:57,440
casing or grouting. So there's no

869
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,200
there's no migration down the well boore

870
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,359
and no coming and going should should

871
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:02,880
happen.

872
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,430
>> So I've heard um in that particular

873
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:05,440
» So I've heard um in that particular

874
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440
farmland that there's definitely been

875
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,960
wet spots and um

876
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,880
some people feel that with the town of

877
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,839
olds losing water so much um that that

878
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:18,560
was a spot that actually water was was

879
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880
going to from all their pipeline leaks

880
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,760
and and losing so much water. I guess

881
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,920
the big question I've heard from

882
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,800
residents is if water wells are

883
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,319
impacted, who ends up holding the bag?

884
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:34,000
Um

885
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,839
I I've heard with different residents

886
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:38,560
that um um their water wells aren't

887
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,240
super strong or super great that there

888
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,440
are times that um the water um uh

889
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,280
quantity isn't there. So in your opinion

890
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,960
and and this could be an administration

891
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
question too. If there is an impact of

892
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,160
water, what do we do about it?

893
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,750
>> That's it's a complicated question

894
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:55,760
» That's it's a complicated question

895
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,079
because frequently when people's wells

896
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,599
aren't producing as much, it's not a

897
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,839
function of the aquifer being damaged.

898
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:03,440
It's usually their well usually their

899
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440
well has deteriorated or their pumping

900
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,720
system. So that would be you I can't I

901
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,160
can't say if somebody's well go dry.

902
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,359
It's due the neighbors. we have, you

903
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,040
know, it's more of an investigation to

904
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,440
see is the acquer actually drying up or

905
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,000
is just a well. Um, despite what they

906
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560
say, wells often do have a life

907
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,599
expectancy. Um, it can vary. It can go

908
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,480
forever, but it that you know the first

909
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,400
step would be is is the well

910
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,119
productivity itself um bad? Um it is

911
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,440
possible to um and then actually the

912
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,680
data is available to do testing of the

913
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,839
well prior to development if somebody

914
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:42,240
has specific concern and see what their

915
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,640
well productivity is and and then if

916
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,200
they come back later and say uh our well

917
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,960
is not as good we can we can go back and

918
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,720
say well your aer has been drying up or

919
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,560
or no your well is just it's being

920
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,319
plugged with biological or chemical

921
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,720
infrustation. So, so if there's somebody

922
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,640
has specific concern, we can do like

923
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,720
it's called a baseline water well test

924
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,800
which your oil patch does a lot. Uh we

925
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,160
wouldn't do quite as much as the oil

926
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,000
patch wouldn't test for dissolved gases

927
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,520
for instance, but basically the same

928
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,359
thing. It establishes the the

929
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:12,160
productivity of a well prior to whatever

930
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,960
development is in the area.

931
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,910
>> So maybe just for administration, um we

932
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:17,920
» So maybe just for administration, um we

933
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,560
don't give out the water licenses. So at

934
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
the end of the day, if there is impacts

935
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,920
to water wells, who's on the hook for

936
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
it? Is it the individual land owner or

937
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,359
who looks after them?

938
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:30,950
>> Well, through the chair, I think the the

939
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:30,960
» Well, through the chair, I think the the

940
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,560
reality in this scenario given the

941
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560
density that's being proposed is we

942
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,440
required uh a specialist to prove that

943
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,800
there is a water or capable water source

944
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,079
for that amount of lots. Um who's

945
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,359
holding the the responsibility? I mean,

946
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,599
essentially, if if it's proven that

947
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,359
there's water, we trust the system

948
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:55,119
that's in place. Um, I think like Mr.

949
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,480
Hugo mentioned, there's a variety of

950
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,560
things that could affect the water um,

951
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,160
availability

952
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,960
uh, on site. Um,

953
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,599
the Alberta government gives us the the

954
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,720
amount that could be used residentially

955
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,079
um, and permitted that way. Uh, it's a

956
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,160
hard one to answer because maybe maybe

957
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
it isn't the the quantity, maybe it is

958
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,240
something that's, you know, maintenance

959
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,359
related. I I Yeah. So maybe it just as a

960
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,040
process question, who would get that

961
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,880
complaint? So would it come to the

962
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,720
municipality or would it go to Alberta

963
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:31,119
Environment?

964
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,790
>> It would go to Alberta Environment.

965
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:32,800
» It would go to Alberta Environment.

966
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,270
>> Okay.

967
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:35,280
» Okay.

968
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,599
Thank you.

969
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,440
Um so while I've got the hydraologist

970
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,800
up, I may as well just ask a few

971
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,520
questions on water as well. So um can

972
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,880
you just explain how the depth of the

973
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,400
well I think you've already alluded to

974
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,119
this but how the depth of the well um

975
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,640
would ensure uh that there was no

976
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
drawing from the aquifer above. So we've

977
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,440
put in this this um we're we're

978
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,720
recommending administration is

979
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,480
recommending with the applicant support

980
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,800
uh 12.2 to be included in how how does

981
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,640
that uh how does that limit

982
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,030
>> uh we do have some exhibits that were

983
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:11,040
» uh we do have some exhibits that were

984
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,760
put together for our open houses and I

985
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,440
wonder if the administration could pull

986
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
that up. It was in the uh the 20

987
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,400
graphics that we had submitted after the

988
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,839
last open house and there were um

989
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:30,720
there were graphics of the

990
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,599
uh aquifers that were sitting below the

991
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,309
>> cross-sections that describe the um the

992
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:36,319
» cross-sections that describe the um the

993
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:38,720
nature. There's the aquifers in the area

994
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,640
all the pascapoo formation consists of a

995
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,280
series of sandstones and shells and the

996
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,319
shells are are generally um relatively

997
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,839
almost impermeable u and the upper to

998
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:52,240
get the graphics I could uh

999
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,670
>> I think we have them in our agenda

1000
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:53,680
» I think we have them in our agenda

1001
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,240
package as well. Um so you're look are

1002
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:57,839
you just looking for the cross-sections?

1003
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:58,550
>> That's right.

1004
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:58,560
» That's right.

1005
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,069
>> Okay. So, we have cross-sections and

1006
00:48:00,069 --> 00:48:00,079
» Okay. So, we have cross-sections and

1007
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,720
they're not great, but on page 47 and

1008
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,000
50, I think we have um if you go to page

1009
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,160
47 of the agenda package or 50 of the

1010
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,520
agenda package

1011
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,470
>> 1237. Okay.

1012
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:12,480
» 1237. Okay.

1013
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,430
>> Yeah, simplified. Carry on.

1014
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:15,440
» Yeah, simplified. Carry on.

1015
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,109
>> Yeah, there's a few more detailed ones

1016
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:17,119
» Yeah, there's a few more detailed ones

1017
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,280
that uh even Okay, those ones there.

1018
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:19,990
>> Yeah. Mhm.

1019
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:20,000
» Yeah. Mhm.

1020
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,950
>> Um if you look at that the cross-section

1021
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:22,960
» Um if you look at that the cross-section

1022
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,599
on the right, all the wells on the on

1023
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,240
the right side of that show the existing

1024
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,880
uh existing wells that have they get

1025
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,240
their their um their water from silty

1026
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,480
shells or sandstones and then there's a

1027
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,200
a thicker more uh uh shell layer uh and

1028
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
our wells is in the lower sandstone. So

1029
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,079
there's a separation of a shell layer um

1030
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:47,680
between the upper units and the lower

1031
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,880
units. And if you look at the little

1032
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,960
triangles on those those lines there,

1033
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,200
they signify the water levels. And you

1034
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,880
can see in most cases or almost all

1035
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,800
cases, the water levels in the upper

1036
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,520
aquifers are much higher than than our

1037
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,680
our well in our site is on on the left

1038
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,559
side is a lot higher. So most wells are

1039
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,800
are um and we can tell from those

1040
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,000
different water levels that those are

1041
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,880
separate aquifers and separated. Um so

1042
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,200
the well that was that we installed it's

1043
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,280
it's it's sufficiently productive to

1044
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,079
provide uh water for 400 houses for

1045
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,160
instance. Um so it's it's quite

1046
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,440
productive.

1047
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,109
>> Okay. So um we we've moved to a

1048
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:23,119
» Okay. So um we we've moved to a

1049
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:24,319
different question but I'll follow up on

1050
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:25,839
this one then. So you've talked about

1051
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,760
that the those two aquifers are not

1052
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160
hydraulically connected. Um but you

1053
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,920
looked at static water levels and you've

1054
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,839
looked at cross-sections. Did you do any

1055
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:37,040
kind of a um a draw down test? Did you

1056
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,800
put anything in the neighboring wells

1057
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,640
when you did your pump test on the on

1058
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,839
the lower aquifer?

1059
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:45,829
>> Uh no. The uh the test that we did it's

1060
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:45,839
» Uh no. The uh the test that we did it's

1061
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:50,400
um it's we can do I usually recommend

1062
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520
that an observation wall be 50 to 150

1063
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839
meters away to see a response in the in

1064
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:00,240
the time of a test. So So we can um you

1065
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,680
know we probably we wouldn't have seen a

1066
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,880
response anyways. I think at the

1067
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,000
distances of the neighbors. Uh so that

1068
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
um that I mean we could have done that

1069
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,559
but I I I think our results would have

1070
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:11,760
been pretty sure our results would have

1071
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,079
been inconclusive with respect to that.

1072
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,559
Um it also requires it also the

1073
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,160
disadvantage also requires that the

1074
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,400
neighboring wells they can't be pumping.

1075
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
Um so we would had to shut down you know

1076
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,760
all like quite a few wells to to have an

1077
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,200
effective observation well. the effect

1078
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,800
of pumping from the neighbors would have

1079
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,040
over would have been over would have

1080
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,040
overridden any effect from our our

1081
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,200
pumping test. Um when it's uh if when

1082
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,720
they're licensed wells there is a

1083
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,119
requirement to um more and more of a

1084
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,599
requirement to measure water levels in

1085
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,480
in the wells or in observation wells uh

1086
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,040
to to see whether the the the water

1087
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,119
level in the aquifer is changing.

1088
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:51,670
>> Okay.

1089
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:51,680
» Okay.

1090
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,589
>> Not a requirement for domestic but but

1091
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:53,599
» Not a requirement for domestic but but

1092
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,040
quite often requirement for the

1093
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,359
commercial wells. Okay. And maybe I'll

1094
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:58,640
go to administration, then I'll come

1095
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,880
back just with my last question. So, um,

1096
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,240
the addition of of 12.2H,

1097
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,680
uh, can you just tell us what the

1098
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,000
purpose of of the addition is meant to

1099
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,520
address?

1100
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,589
>> So, we're referring to the land use

1101
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:11,599
» So, we're referring to the land use

1102
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,599
bylaw change, the

1103
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,470
>> the minimum of 40 meters.

1104
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:16,480
» the minimum of 40 meters.

1105
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,990
>> Yes.

1106
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:18,000
» Yes.

1107
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,910
>> So, uh, administration went back and

1108
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,920
» So, uh, administration went back and

1109
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,240
forth, um, as Mr. Brown mentioned to try

1110
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,839
to figure out a way to uh best deal with

1111
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,200
uh uh lessening the effect um or

1112
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,720
limiting the effect of the adjacent land

1113
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,280
owners as far as water well depth. Um

1114
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,640
and so the intent of that is if there is

1115
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,559
a is that if they drill the well at the

1116
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,440
the distance specified that it would

1117
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,720
have a limited negligible effect the

1118
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,880
adjacent land owners. So when we looked

1119
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,599
at um and worked with Brandon Associates

1120
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,800
and looked at Mr. Hugo's uh technical

1121
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,400
study, the recommendation in the

1122
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,359
conclusion was to go at the 40 meters um

1123
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:01,920
minimum to lessen the effect on the

1124
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,480
adjacent land owners. So the intent is

1125
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,040
you cannot build a house until you have

1126
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,680
proved that your water is coming from a

1127
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,280
specific aquifer.

1128
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,190
>> Okay. And then maybe I'll just go back.

1129
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:13,200
» Okay. And then maybe I'll just go back.

1130
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,760
So can you explain to us and maybe it's

1131
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,760
in the way the well is completed or such

1132
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,280
but could you explain to us how the

1133
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,240
minimum depth of 40 m actually addresses

1134
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,640
the impact of not drawing from the upper

1135
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,280
aquifer as versus the lower aquifer

1136
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,910
>> between the uh the shells which don't

1137
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:29,920
» between the uh the shells which don't

1138
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,119
allow any or don't allow much comm you

1139
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,640
know geological terms they do but um uh

1140
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,160
they don't allow much communication

1141
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,839
between the upper aquifer and the lower

1142
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,800
aquifer. Um that's that's one barrier.

1143
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,559
So we can draw we can we can draw water

1144
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,400
from one aquifer and not affect the the

1145
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,839
other aquifer whether it's drawing from

1146
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:49,599
the upper aquifer not affecting the

1147
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,760
lower one or vice versa. The well

1148
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,640
completion designs um they are required

1149
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,119
to have uh to seal off the upper zones

1150
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:58,880
either through either they they put

1151
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,119
steel surface casing uh through the

1152
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,280
upper zones or else they'll they'll put

1153
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,599
down a liner which is they put grout

1154
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,920
like clay grout around the outside of

1155
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,079
the liner above the perforated zones. So

1156
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:11,599
we don't have any water flowing from

1157
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,599
those those upper sandstones down the

1158
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,839
well uh and then being pumped out by the

1159
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:18,640
well. So the the design of the dwell is

1160
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,440
is is is meant to minimize cross

1161
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440
formational flow they call it.

1162
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,069
>> Okay. So just so I just so I'm fully

1163
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:26,079
» Okay. So just so I just so I'm fully

1164
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,760
understanding this if you drill the well

1165
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,680
to a certain depth you cannot complete

1166
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,520
the upper aquifer you have to complete

1167
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,599
only the lower aquifer. Am I

1168
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,599
understanding that correct? for that is

1169
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,240
a in the directive the groundwater

1170
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,559
directive for commercial wells that is

1171
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,960
you can only have the lower aquifer and

1172
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,079
then for and it's also that's part of

1173
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,640
the the the bylaw for for this one is

1174
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,040
that you cannot complete any any get any

1175
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,440
production out of the upper aquifers um

1176
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,839
for domestic wells that uh you wouldn't

1177
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,000
in this in this practically in this case

1178
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,440
because the lower aquifer is so

1179
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,640
productive you wouldn't you wouldn't

1180
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,119
bother having a multiple multiple

1181
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,400
aquifer zone

1182
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,319
uh besides uh water flowing down the

1183
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:08,480
well, there's potential for adverse

1184
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,359
chemical interactions between two zones.

1185
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,520
So, it's not good practice anyways to

1186
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,359
have uh they just do it they do it in

1187
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:16,960
domestic wells if if they have a bunch

1188
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,400
of zones that are like half gallon a

1189
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,480
minute and they'll string together, you

1190
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,480
know, four or five zones to get a two or

1191
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,040
three gallon a minute well. Uh but it's

1192
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,640
like I say, that's only allowable in

1193
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,119
domestic situations. uh here if we say

1194
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,359
there's there's uh the acquer zone has

1195
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,040
to be below 40 meters that means they

1196
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,680
have to seal off any any zone they might

1197
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,680
encounter that is productive above the

1198
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,359
40 meter depth.

1199
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,670
>> Okay. So in your opinion uh this

1200
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:41,680
» Okay. So in your opinion uh this

1201
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,599
condition of having wells having to be

1202
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,000
deeper than 40 mters addresses the issue

1203
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
of not being able to coingle.

1204
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,309
>> Yes. Yes. Okay. and and we've done that.

1205
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:50,319
» Yes. Yes. Okay. and and we've done that.

1206
00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:52,480
We recommend that for other projects too

1207
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,880
that you know if there's a potential for

1208
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,240
uh you know interactions with upper

1209
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,319
zones you know especially the oil patch

1210
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:00,240
um if there's a good zone you know for

1211
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,599
their frack walls or whatever for the

1212
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,760
fracking bondages are enormous we say

1213
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,079
it's good to go even way more than 40

1214
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,400
meters so it's it's it's a it's a fairly

1215
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,760
common uh practice that we we go for we

1216
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,520
uh separate aers than other people are

1217
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,720
using.

1218
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,990
>> Okay. Yes. M just I I just like to add

1219
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:18,000
» Okay. Yes. M just I I just like to add

1220
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,240
and and follow up on administration's

1221
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,680
comment. We uh the recommendation for

1222
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,800
the depth came from the hydraologists

1223
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,960
and and their assessment of the

1224
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,440
situation that we're facing. But really

1225
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,000
the the the requirement to change the

1226
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,040
bylaw is because the county is not able

1227
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,599
to control when they issue a building

1228
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,359
permit or development permit. they can't

1229
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:45,359
control under your bylaw

1230
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:48,480
where people drill their well. So the

1231
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,960
the idea came forward that in this

1232
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,319
particular area that that there would be

1233
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:58,799
a specification and we we accepted that

1234
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:02,160
even though someone is not you know they

1235
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,640
do not have a permit on their own

1236
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,119
property that we agreed that a well

1237
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,920
should be drilled before they even

1238
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,880
approach uh getting the permit and it

1239
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,119
must be proven just to make sure someone

1240
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,359
doesn't get the county permit. Then

1241
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,280
they, you know, we tell them to do it.

1242
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,960
They say they're going to do it and

1243
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,319
ultimately they drill it and they drill

1244
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,480
into this other aquifer. And we said,

1245
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,960
"No, let's make sure what's our

1246
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,440
ironclad. Make sure and that is drill

1247
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,880
the well, get it below 40 m, then come

1248
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,119
and talk to us about build building your

1249
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:35,920
house."

1250
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,870
>> Okay. Thank you.

1251
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:36,880
» Okay. Thank you.

1252
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,789
>> That ensures that it happens.

1253
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:38,799
» That ensures that it happens.

1254
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,230
>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Lutz.

1255
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:40,240
» Okay. Thank you, Councelor Lutz.

1256
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:43,109
>> Just a a quick followup on the baseline

1257
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:43,119
» Just a a quick followup on the baseline

1258
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,040
testing. If a landowner wanted to do

1259
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,359
that, um what's the cost for that? And

1260
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:49,680
is it something that the developer would

1261
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,760
um

1262
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,520
help the land owner do or are they on

1263
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,400
their own dollar to do baseline testing?

1264
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,510
>> The costs are less than $1,000.

1265
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:59,520
» The costs are less than $1,000.

1266
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,880
And I'll leave it up to Greg to say um

1267
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,359
whether he'd be

1268
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:06,480
comfortable with

1269
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,710
>> and and it's it's usually done it's all

1270
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:08,720
» and and it's it's usually done it's all

1271
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,880
it's it'll be done by a local licensed

1272
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,640
water well driller. the pumping test and

1273
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,880
the groundwater sample collection.

1274
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,230
>> And Mr. Brown, I'm just wondering if the

1275
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:16,240
» And Mr. Brown, I'm just wondering if the

1276
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,760
land owners would be responsible to

1277
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,440
cover those costs on their own or if the

1278
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:28,470
developer would help them basing

1279
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,880
the permission, but they would also

1280
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,559
greatly bet if they've already had

1281
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,400
problems with their wells in the last

1282
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,760
few years. It's certainly not our

1283
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,720
development. They've got, as was stated,

1284
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,880
some likely problem,

1285
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,349
>> but perhaps we could assist with half of

1286
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:43,359
» but perhaps we could assist with half of

1287
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:47,040
that testing cost and then let them

1288
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,760
decide what to do with their existing.

1289
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,950
>> And then just a question for

1290
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:50,960
» And then just a question for

1291
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,119
administration. Um, did we check with

1292
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,400
law on this bylaw if it's um we'll get

1293
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,000
our hands slapped because of provincial

1294
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,720
overreach or uh because we don't

1295
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,440
regulate water. So, um, we've checked

1296
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
that out that we are not going to get in

1297
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,960
trouble with the province.

1298
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,549
>> Yeah. Through the chair, um, this was,

1299
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:08,559
» Yeah. Through the chair, um, this was,

1300
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,480
uh, a big discussion as we've mentioned

1301
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,559
between us. Um, and yes, we do have the

1302
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,240
ability to ask for additional

1303
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,680
information to essentially facilitate

1304
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,680
um, a development on a site. And so,

1305
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,319
this is acceptable as a condition. It's

1306
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:24,319
a, if you read the wording, it's a says

1307
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:25,839
prior to issuance of the development

1308
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:27,920
permit. So, it's a condition of a

1309
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,440
development permit, which we are

1310
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,079
absolutely allowed to do.

1311
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:33,440
Thank you. Is there any additional

1312
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,720
questions? So, I'll go to councelor

1313
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Nixon and then councelor Falton. Um,

1314
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,040
just as far as that aquifer goes, the

1315
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,000
lower aquifer, are we very certain that

1316
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,520
every lot will be able to hit that

1317
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,119
aquifer or are there some lots that

1318
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,359
maybe will not don't have access to that

1319
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:49,359
aquifer? And then what happens uh

1320
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:50,799
planning maybe could answer that part of

1321
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:52,480
the question. What happens with a

1322
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,200
building permit?

1323
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,710
>> Um,

1324
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:56,720
» Um,

1325
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,559
yes, in every every development, we're

1326
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,040
not sure until you drill the well.

1327
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,760
uh we're fairly confident uh even this

1328
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,359
one we've encountered if that's not

1329
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:08,079
there there's likely to be other backers

1330
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,280
40 40 mters is not uh is not a terrible

1331
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,240
depth they you know typical not typical

1332
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,400
but they they can go up to 500 ft 150 m

1333
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,720
so if the sacker is not there it' be not

1334
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,079
great because it' be more expensive to

1335
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,480
go deeper but there is potential uh if

1336
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,160
this one's not there to find deeper ones

1337
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,200
also

1338
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,390
>> so so that the well driller going out on

1339
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:30,400
» so so that the well driller going out on

1340
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,240
the site would go down. He must be below

1341
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,760
40 m. If he can't find water at 40, I

1342
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,000
guess he drills the well to 45 and he

1343
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,640
drills the well to 50, you know, looking

1344
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,680
for uh that aquafer that ultimately he

1345
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,760
must get, but he cannot go above 40

1346
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,280
meters.

1347
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,510
>> Thank you, councelor Fton.

1348
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,040
» Oh, sorry. I thought that I thought that

1349
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,119
answered. Go ahead. Part one. Part two.

1350
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,359
What happens if they can't find it? um

1351
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:01,040
certainly said through the chair they um

1352
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,359
if they can't find water then they do

1353
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,760
not have a development on that lot. Uh

1354
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,079
that's the reality of of how this is set

1355
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,319
up. Uh it is the responsibility of the

1356
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:12,799
land owner to to get that water but as

1357
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:15,280
Mr. Hugo said it's 40 minimum so they

1358
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,119
can go deeper. Yes, it's more expensive

1359
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,160
but uh that is that minimum threshold.

1360
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,069
>> Okay. Thank you councelor Fton.

1361
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:24,079
» Okay. Thank you councelor Fton.

1362
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,400
So my my question is have you guys

1363
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,000
consulted with the town of Ols uh seeing

1364
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,400
and how your property west property is

1365
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,480
west property line is only a half a mile

1366
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,720
now from the town of prop uh boundary.

1367
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,000
So we're aware of the proposed data

1368
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,559
center that will be a neighbor to the

1369
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,240
northwest of you. So presumably that

1370
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,480
there will be

1371
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,280
uh deep services provided in somewhere

1372
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,359
in that area. So have you consulted with

1373
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,079
them on the on the future plans of of

1374
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,799
the towns coming out on 27 or on the

1375
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:02,559
quarter to the north or the half to the

1376
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,319
north sorry and the potential of when

1377
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,480
connections to municipal water and

1378
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,760
wastewater may be available.

1379
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,470
>> We have not consulted with the town on

1380
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:14,480
» We have not consulted with the town on

1381
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,240
that issue. uh we started uh we've been

1382
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,240
on these lands for 15 years now and

1383
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,000
we've been working with the county

1384
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,160
policies and so we're following the

1385
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,160
county policy and uh we're interested of

1386
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,160
course in what happens although I note

1387
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,160
in the news in the last week this data

1388
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,359
center was uh refused but doesn't mean

1389
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:39,920
they won't come back but I I think we

1390
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,119
feel uh it's not incumbent on the town

1391
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,359
to give us access or where it might

1392
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:48,000
come. But with the overall with the

1393
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,960
densities that are allowed in the 2 and

1394
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,839
27 in the municipal development plan

1395
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:57,280
that pipe servicing would be very uh

1396
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,960
financially not feasible and uh so we we

1397
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,359
didn't pursue it. We are following the

1398
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:06,880
current policies and feel that this

1399
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,599
program of having each lot have their

1400
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,240
own well have their own septic field

1401
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,280
matches what we see as the objectives of

1402
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,720
the county.

1403
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,549
>> Thank you. Uh councelor Fulton followup.

1404
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:18,559
» Thank you. Uh councelor Fulton followup.

1405
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:22,069
>> Just one one quick followup. So uh so at

1406
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:22,079
» Just one one quick followup. So uh so at

1407
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,000
full buildout you' be 45 domestic wells.

1408
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,119
So what what is the cost to drill a well

1409
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,480
now per to get to at least 40 meters?

1410
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,400
What what's the cost now to drill?

1411
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,870
>> I have an upside figure that he uses

1412
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:36,880
» I have an upside figure that he uses

1413
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,000
$100 a foot. So it'd be about $12,000

1414
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,640
for just the well um upside per lot. Um

1415
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,079
that doesn't include the the pump

1416
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,400
installation or tie into the house. But

1417
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,079
but 10,000 12,000 is is per well. And

1418
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:55,040
just uh on our well that we drilled for

1419
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,079
on this quarter to test things. I think

1420
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,960
the total well driller bill to us was

1421
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,280
about $15,000

1422
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,470
>> all in.

1423
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:04,480
» all in.

1424
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,750
>> Okay. Yes. Council.

1425
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:05,760
» Okay. Yes. Council.

1426
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,510
>> So and then read extensively your the

1427
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:09,520
» So and then read extensively your the

1428
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,119
mound idea for the septic. Uh do you

1429
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,720
have a base idea baseline idea of what a

1430
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,400
septic mound would cost now? because the

1431
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,359
cost of septic systems uh is seems to

1432
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:26,400
has increased quite dramatically over

1433
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,000
time that we've had in other

1434
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,640
applications that people have had to

1435
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,440
change from a open discharge to a mound

1436
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,319
or a field system and the costs seem to

1437
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,880
be quite large in in those reported

1438
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,200
instances. So just curious as to what

1439
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,640
you would propose or potential would be

1440
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,039
to do mounds, you know, 45 mounds at at

1441
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:50,640
buildout um

1442
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,750
>> would be how much per moundish?

1443
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:53,760
» would be how much per moundish?

1444
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,470
>> I'm not well actually I'm not too

1445
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:56,480
» I'm not well actually I'm not too

1446
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,079
familiar with the cost for the septic

1447
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,240
field. I people have told me the cost of

1448
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,359
mounds versus a conventional uh you know

1449
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:05,920
blow grade system is not much different.

1450
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,720
Um, and so some some installers they

1451
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,960
they've told me that mounds are, you

1452
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,319
know, they they don't they don't mind

1453
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:14,559
doing them. Uh, I mean, in terms of cost

1454
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,480
and and effort, it's not it's not much

1455
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,440
different, but uh maybe it didn't it

1456
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,880
probably would be a bit more, but when

1457
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,319
you add factor in all the tanks and the

1458
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:24,400
pumps and the distribution systems, the

1459
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,240
the mound system, the extra sand and

1460
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,160
stuff is that's

1461
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,390
>> what would be 10 to 15,000

1462
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:30,400
» what would be 10 to 15,000

1463
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,870
>> more. Um, yeah, I'd think even less than

1464
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:32,880
» more. Um, yeah, I'd think even less than

1465
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,839
that. But

1466
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,829
>> I was just asking since you asked for a

1467
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:35,839
» I was just asking since you asked for a

1468
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:37,839
number and Ken didn't give you a number

1469
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:40,640
whether it was 10 to 15,000

1470
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,640
to do that septic mound and

1471
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,309
>> versus a conventional system. Yeah, it

1472
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:44,319
» versus a conventional system. Yeah, it

1473
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:46,400
might be 10,000 more.

1474
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,109
>> Okay. Uh, councelor Harris.

1475
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:49,119
» Okay. Uh, councelor Harris.

1476
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,910
>> Um, just a procedural one for planning.

1477
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:51,920
» Um, just a procedural one for planning.

1478
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,640
Um, under our recommendations,

1479
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,319
uh, and the changes to the land use

1480
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:58,880
bylaws, other reg we're only including

1481
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,880
phase one. Is there a reason we're not

1482
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,799
including the whole project?

1483
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:04,150
>> Yeah, so uh through the chair, we're

1484
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:04,160
» Yeah, so uh through the chair, we're

1485
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,440
including phase one at this time because

1486
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,039
that's what we're in front of you today

1487
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,920
asking for. Uh when and if phase 2,

1488
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,480
three, however it gets built out in the

1489
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,799
future, uh that will then be a textual

1490
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:17,440
amendment that would be required um

1491
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,440
later on. We go through the same process

1492
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:20,240
again.

1493
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:21,910
>> Okay. Thank you.

1494
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:21,920
» Okay. Thank you.

1495
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,670
>> Uh councelor Johnson,

1496
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:23,680
» Uh councelor Johnson,

1497
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,069
>> back to the water question. Do we know

1498
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:26,079
» back to the water question. Do we know

1499
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,559
what the recharge source is for the

1500
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:32,559
recommended aquifer that's 40 meters?

1501
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:37,190
>> Uh yes, it's it's they've done studies

1502
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:37,200
» Uh yes, it's it's they've done studies

1503
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,079
using various isotopes and stuff in in

1504
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,000
the aquifers in Alberta and the recharge

1505
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,680
of these is very very slow like out

1506
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,640
hundreds to thousands of years. So, it's

1507
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,400
basically like all all of our bedrock

1508
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,319
aquifers, not not our maybe our gravel

1509
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:55,359
aquifers next to a river, but basically

1510
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:58,720
um basically it's it's a it's mining uh

1511
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,680
the groundwater. We're uh the volumes we

1512
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,839
take out of the there's an observation

1513
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,960
wall network in uh in Alberta um that

1514
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,240
Alberta environment has. We're not

1515
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,520
lowering the water table or not

1516
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,359
dewatering too many aquifers, you know,

1517
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:12,960
but mostly because our our water demands

1518
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,599
for domestic and our our industrial is

1519
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,400
uh is is modest or small. It's the

1520
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,000
agricultural guys that dewater the

1521
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,880
aquifers and we don't due to the we

1522
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,640
don't have either the the aers are not

1523
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,640
sufficient productivity or quality is

1524
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,640
not good enough or or the demand isn't

1525
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,720
there. But if we if we had them we would

1526
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,680
be have you know acryer dewatering in

1527
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,599
Alberta quite a bit if if we use them

1528
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,240
for irrigation. But we generally don't.

1529
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,400
Um and and I haven't seen, you know,

1530
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,240
looking at the changes in water levels

1531
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,640
with time with in acreage areas. I see

1532
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,039
very little if any decline in water

1533
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,760
levels. Um it's it's a slow recharge

1534
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,839
process. There's some that goes on and

1535
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:53,280
and since the demand isn't very much,

1536
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,119
it's it's quite sustainable.

1537
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:56,950
>> Is the source like the

1538
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:56,960
» Is the source like the

1539
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,829
>> No, the source is source is is is

1540
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:59,839
» No, the source is source is is is

1541
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:01,920
probably local area. So, so the

1542
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,599
advantage with the water wells is if if

1543
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,599
there's a if there's even drought, even

1544
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,680
a long-term drought, uh the our

1545
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,119
groundwater is more sustainable than

1546
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:11,119
surface water, um like a 10-year

1547
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,280
drought, for instance. Uh obviously,

1548
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,720
we'll have a lot of other problems and

1549
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,079
some acreage wells going dry if we have

1550
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:19,280
a 10-year drought. But, um but it it

1551
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,680
does have that resilience against uh

1552
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,920
against uh you know, variations in in

1553
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,950
surface water precipitation conditions.

1554
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,440
There any other councelor look?

1555
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,710
>> I'm going back to councelor Nixon and

1556
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:34,720
» I'm going back to councelor Nixon and

1557
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,039
obviously all of our concerns seems to

1558
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,680
be around water. Have you considered as

1559
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,880
a developer to drill these 40 meter

1560
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,839
wells ahead of time and sell a water

1561
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:49,440
service lot so that you and we know the

1562
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,789
water is available for these purchasers?

1563
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,680
Well, I I think that by the even the

1564
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,839
nature of the uh application process, if

1565
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:05,440
a homeowner uh was to drill a well,

1566
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,640
spend the money up front, um if there is

1567
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,480
no water, that person is not going to

1568
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,039
buy that lot. And um we would then

1569
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,000
likely on another portion of the site, I

1570
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
mean each of the sites is 2 acres, we

1571
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,080
would likely try to drill another well

1572
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,000
and see whether we can find another well

1573
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,560
on that same lot. Um it we feel it's not

1574
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,159
logical to drill 45 wells on the

1575
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,799
property right off the bat.

1576
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:37,199
uh we will see through our first phase

1577
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:38,719
exactly

1578
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,719
um the proof will be in the pudding I

1579
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:43,199
should say in that first 15 lots whether

1580
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:46,799
the aquifers are as Ken says or not but

1581
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:50,080
if we don't get a well at 40 m based on

1582
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,400
what I understand maybe it'll be 50

1583
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,600
maybe it'll be 60 m but this particular

1584
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,560
area which as Ken has said used to be

1585
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,880
the water supply area for the town of

1586
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,640
olds the water in this area is very

1587
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,279
abundant compared to many other

1588
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:10,480
locations. So, we feel very confident we

1589
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,359
are going to find wells. Whether the

1590
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,279
well costs $30,000 or $15,000,

1591
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,400
we believe we will find water.

1592
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,309
>> Hey, is there any other questions?

1593
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:24,319
» Hey, is there any other questions?

1594
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,199
So maybe I'll just um go to the roads um

1595
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,080
in uh I apologize but I there was a lot

1596
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,480
of discussion within the agenda package

1597
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,719
of temporary gravel roads and such.

1598
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:38,000
Could you just tell us what the um what

1599
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,839
the long-term

1600
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:42,560
um plan is for the internal roads and

1601
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,040
what uh what surface you're planning and

1602
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,400
such.

1603
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,189
>> Could you bring forward the plan? Yes.

1604
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:49,199
» Could you bring forward the plan? Yes.

1605
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:52,799
Uh basically in the in the sorry in the

1606
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:56,719
first phase we just want to extend our

1607
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:00,239
roads four lots deep uh and end that

1608
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:04,159
with a graveled uh culde-sac or bulb for

1609
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:08,400
turnarounds. And the county asked for

1610
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,000
emergency purposes could we build uh a

1611
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,960
gravel emergency access adjacent to the

1612
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,920
west boundary of those lots. So, we

1613
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,719
agreed for emergency purposes we would

1614
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:24,480
do that. However, once the lots look

1615
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,719
like they're moving and we're selling

1616
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:29,760
them and we concentrate our sales in

1617
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,400
these 16 country residential lots, we'll

1618
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,719
then start working on the next phase.

1619
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,840
And we would extend the crescent in

1620
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,719
either one phase or two depending on the

1621
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:43,760
absorption out of the area. Uh we would

1622
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,560
then remove that gravel surface and the

1623
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,679
bulbs and extend the roads as a fully

1624
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:54,159
paved county standard road and uh either

1625
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,800
in in one additional or maybe two

1626
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,800
additional roads uh uh phases so that

1627
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,040
this crescent which you see on the plan

1628
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,960
would be fully paved ditching all of

1629
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,040
which is to county standard.

1630
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,030
>> Okay. Thank you. And so the plan for the

1631
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:11,040
» Okay. Thank you. And so the plan for the

1632
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,120
first phase is that orange line that we

1633
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,199
see running north to uh north to south

1634
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,679
would be a would be a gravel um road for

1635
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:18,880
emergency purposes.

1636
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,470
>> Yeah. It's just the the emergency access

1637
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:22,480
» Yeah. It's just the the emergency access

1638
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,400
is just between the upper

1639
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,189
>> y

1640
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:25,199
» y

1641
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,669
>> uh upper residential and the lower

1642
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:27,679
» uh upper residential and the lower

1643
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:28,960
residential road.

1644
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:29,270
>> Okay.

1645
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:29,280
» Okay.

1646
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:29,750
>> Yeah.

1647
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:29,760
» Yeah.

1648
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,310
>> Thank you.

1649
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:30,320
» Thank you.

1650
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,470
>> That's the only gravel component. We'd

1651
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:32,480
» That's the only gravel component. We'd

1652
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,679
also on the uh down in the south off the

1653
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:37,920
industrial road, we would also have a

1654
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,280
graveled circular area for emergency

1655
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,159
access.

1656
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,630
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh and this is to

1657
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:44,640
» Okay. Thank you. Uh and this is to

1658
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,280
administration. So, um the applicant has

1659
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,120
stated that they're going to put an

1660
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,679
additional ashalt overlay on Range Road

1661
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:54,480
12. I I believe I saw in the package

1662
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,560
that the county has already built the

1663
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,800
base of that road, but um is there any

1664
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,400
additional work on that road that needs

1665
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,159
to be done other than just an additional

1666
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,880
overlay to make that a non-band service,

1667
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,360
a non-bann road?

1668
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,669
>> Yeah. No, through the chair. Um so yeah,

1669
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:09,679
» Yeah. No, through the chair. Um so yeah,

1670
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,440
that is the requirement. Whatever is

1671
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,920
required is the requirement. I mean I I

1672
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,199
don't have anything else to add other

1673
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:16,800
than that that that will be verified. It

1674
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,199
would be an unrestricted road. The

1675
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,040
developer is required to go up to the

1676
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,040
quarter line. Anything above that may

1677
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,920
affect the turning into the uh uh old

1678
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,600
golf club that will be a project through

1679
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,280
under operations and the county will

1680
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,440
foot that additional uh upgrade.

1681
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,430
>> Okay. So the the idea is that it will be

1682
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:33,440
» Okay. So the the idea is that it will be

1683
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,360
a non-band standard and whatever is

1684
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,440
required to take it to a nonban standard

1685
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:38,400
will be done. Yeah.

1686
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:39,110
>> Okay.

1687
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:39,120
» Okay.

1688
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,709
>> Is there something you'd like to add? Uh

1689
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:40,719
» Is there something you'd like to add? Uh

1690
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:43,199
Reeve, this is Bruce Nelligan who uh

1691
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:47,360
Watt Consulting did an analysis on Range

1692
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,239
Road 12 and you might ask him in

1693
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:51,679
additional questions, but my

1694
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,760
understanding is the county built this

1695
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,360
road relatively recently and all of the

1696
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,640
foundation work uh and u construction

1697
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,320
standards were u at excellent level.

1698
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,920
It's just that the the surface was not

1699
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,880
built deep enough to get it to the 100%.

1700
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,800
And that's what we're pursu perceiving

1701
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,120
to go up. So maybe Dave Watt would be

1702
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,440
better than Bruce Melligan to answer

1703
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:17,760
that.

1704
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,470
>> Madam Reed, my name is David Watt Wat

1705
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:22,480
» Madam Reed, my name is David Watt Wat

1706
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:27,040
and uh I'm now officially retired, but I

1707
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,719
was involved in this project from the

1708
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:31,679
get-go. So, uh, just to answer the

1709
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:36,320
question, um, we had a

1710
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,199
an assessment done of the condition of

1711
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:42,320
Range Road 12. We brought our geoteex

1712
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,840
out to take a look at that and, uh, it's

1713
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,320
in pretty good shape. We have a few

1714
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,400
concerns about uh some possible uh

1715
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,800
deterioration of the subgrade uh gravels

1716
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,400
due to the course of time and the fact

1717
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,719
that it's basically a cold mix ash fault

1718
01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:03,440
on the on the road right now. The plan

1719
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:10,640
is to u uh strip back the uh the surface

1720
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,120
ensure that the gravels are have good

1721
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,920
integrity. add additional gravels

1722
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,360
probably in the order of 8 in uh and

1723
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,840
then pave the road to uh to the

1724
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,440
municipal standard and and we're just

1725
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,360
basically going by the standard that's

1726
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,440
provided in your policy 4005

1727
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:33,120
uh for those roadways. So we are aware

1728
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,440
that u I mean the road is in actually

1729
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,920
very good shape when you consider it but

1730
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,280
we are looking at you know do we need to

1731
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,800
uh

1732
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,280
take care of any abnormalities that we

1733
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,840
might find prior to paving it.

1734
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,149
>> Thank you very much. Uh, councelor

1735
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:50,159
» Thank you very much. Uh, councelor

1736
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:51,280
Nixon,

1737
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,470
>> uh, just a question maybe to

1738
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:52,480
» uh, just a question maybe to

1739
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,880
administration. I it said in the agenda

1740
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,920
package that we would also pave to 100%

1741
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,000
downfree standard. I think it was to the

1742
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,360
golf course or just after the golf

1743
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,199
course. One, what was the reasoning for

1744
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,480
that? Two, what's the price tag?

1745
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,229
>> I can't answer the price tag component

1746
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:08,239
» I can't answer the price tag component

1747
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,320
to it. I I I'm sorry, but the Yes, it's

1748
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,640
from the quarterline north.

1749
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,229
>> Yeah. So I I can maybe speak to that

1750
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:14,239
» Yeah. So I I can maybe speak to that

1751
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,840
because it was one of my suggestions

1752
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,800
that we um ensure that the road is

1753
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,920
completed to the same standard to uh

1754
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,400
include the access to the golf course,

1755
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,480
but the developer would be responsible

1756
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,640
to the edge of their property line and

1757
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,560
then if there's any additional work, I

1758
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,080
think there might already be some long

1759
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,239
patching done on that uh entrance to the

1760
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:35,760
golf course, but it would be

1761
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,360
investigated and considered as part of

1762
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,000
the project and ensure that the the banf

1763
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,719
free standard includes the entrance into

1764
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:44,320
the golf course. So, it's a very small

1765
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,719
area. Uh from a price point of view, we

1766
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:49,040
wouldn't uh know that until we did some

1767
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,120
engineering and the project commenced.

1768
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:51,990
>> Council Nixon,

1769
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:52,000
» Council Nixon,

1770
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,709
>> was the reasoning for extending it and

1771
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:54,719
» was the reasoning for extending it and

1772
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,480
and covering that extra portion just

1773
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:59,280
because of the volume of traffic or just

1774
01:15:59,280 --> 01:15:59,840
why?

1775
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,669
>> Yes, it' be the volume of traffic. It's

1776
01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:01,679
» Yes, it' be the volume of traffic. It's

1777
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,679
probably one of our busiest sections of

1778
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,440
road with the traffic going to and from

1779
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,679
the golf course and of course turning is

1780
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,840
hard on surfaces and so we'd want to

1781
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,159
make sure that um you know that aspect

1782
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:14,560
is looked after. Certainly the county's

1783
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,560
contribution and and portion would be at

1784
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,920
council's discretion and it would be a

1785
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,400
budget project. Uh so if council deemed

1786
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,239
it was not required down the road that

1787
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,400
would be at council's discretion to to

1788
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,640
change the funding.

1789
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:27,910
>> Thank you. Is there any additional

1790
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:27,920
» Thank you. Is there any additional

1791
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,920
questions?

1792
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,280
No. I've got uh councelor Lutz uh just

1793
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,719
when we move to operations I want to

1794
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,640
make sure we're done roads.

1795
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,630
>> No, go ahead. Ask your question please.

1796
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:38,640
» No, go ahead. Ask your question please.

1797
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,229
>> Um

1798
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:40,239
» Um

1799
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:43,520
so when in the background information um

1800
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,840
with operations, it was mentioned a few

1801
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,280
times that the um PLU

1802
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,719
questions about that who's going to

1803
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,040
maintain pathways, roadways and and the

1804
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,960
access was deemed um by the golf course

1805
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,719
is unusual. Is that unusual

1806
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:02,080
scary or is that unusual just not

1807
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,920
typically done or what do we mean by

1808
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,000
unusual? Is that something to be

1809
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,120
concerned about?

1810
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,750
>> Uh

1811
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:09,760
» Uh

1812
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,199
so it is sorry it is unusual because we

1813
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:16,239
don't have um the same kind of agreement

1814
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:18,239
elsewhere in the county. So we don't

1815
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:22,159
know how does it work.

1816
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,400
How does it work? Uh I think that what

1817
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,040
you're saying is that um uh the

1818
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,560
applicants proposed to have this chair

1819
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,760
share um storm pond with the with the

1820
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,760
old golf course. Yes.

1821
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,350
>> So it would be kind of a three-way

1822
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:37,360
» So it would be kind of a three-way

1823
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,320
agreement then since we own the land and

1824
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:41,040
um

1825
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,950
>> yeah that's what is the applicant is

1826
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:42,960
» yeah that's what is the applicant is

1827
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,520
proposing that it will be a threeway

1828
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,520
agreement. uh the old school golf

1829
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,760
course, the developer and uh the county

1830
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,880
but then ultimately we will once uh it

1831
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,400
is built usually the county takes

1832
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,040
control over that. So that is the reason

1833
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,800
why we don't know how this chair

1834
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,239
agreement would look like.

1835
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:08,239
So do we know are we responsible for

1836
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,880
maintaining pathways and landscaping and

1837
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:11,920
those type of things?

1838
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,149
>> Yeah. So, so, so it's unusual because

1839
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:14,159
» Yeah. So, so, so it's unusual because

1840
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,159
it's normally us like Dulu said, like we

1841
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:17,280
normally are the ones that would

1842
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,880
maintain and and take care of those

1843
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,000
PULs. This is part of phase two or three

1844
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,159
or whatever future phase comes forward.

1845
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:27,360
Um, and so yes, that is something that

1846
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,520
we would take on typically as the county

1847
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,199
once everything is constructed and

1848
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,040
approved, uh, we would deal with the

1849
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,960
Pwells.

1850
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,430
>> Okay. And just another one on um

1851
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:37,440
» Okay. And just another one on um

1852
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,910
>> Oh, sorry. Uh, Mr. Do you want to add uh

1853
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:39,920
» Oh, sorry. Uh, Mr. Do you want to add uh

1854
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,120
to do you want to add something?

1855
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,430
>> Well, I I just might uh add to that

1856
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:43,440
» Well, I I just might uh add to that

1857
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:46,239
because in the discussion relative to

1858
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:49,840
the pond and to the golf club and that

1859
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,239
that discussion of being unusual, the

1860
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:56,719
pond itself, the PUL will be uh taken

1861
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:59,120
over by the county. We'll build it to a

1862
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,040
standard that it's acceptable to you,

1863
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,280
both the pond and the access road

1864
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,400
adjacent to it. Uh but in this case,

1865
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,440
Jason and the golf club would like to uh

1866
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,920
and we've agreed to to build the pump,

1867
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,159
put a pump in. He would be the one

1868
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,719
operating it to to actually turn on the

1869
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:20,960
pump to pump the water back into the

1870
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,760
golf club, even though the pond is owned

1871
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,960
by the county. So, we need discussions

1872
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,480
between the county and the golf club and

1873
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,360
build that into the license to make sure

1874
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,000
that it's operationally fine and the

1875
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,600
county is not paying for the pump uh or

1876
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,440
its operation.

1877
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,440
So, I think that's the unusual

1878
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,719
component.

1879
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:45,990
>> Okay. Councelor Lutz, did you have

1880
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:46,000
» Okay. Councelor Lutz, did you have

1881
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,920
another question? Just on that same

1882
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,239
thread for um planning like the um

1883
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:51,679
comments that we got back from the

1884
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:54,000
engineer technologist um important

1885
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,320
details remain outstanding and then um

1886
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,520
on the second circulation it still

1887
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,800
sounded like um more information is

1888
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,920
going to be needed to be submitted uh

1889
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,760
engineering drawings is can you give me

1890
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,520
a little bit more on on what's

1891
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,280
outstanding?

1892
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,600
Yeah. So I think just to reflect back to

1893
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,679
the PU that that consideration will be

1894
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,560
ironed out uh better uh proposed in a

1895
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,560
future phase. Um not something that

1896
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,120
we're uh especially concerned with in

1897
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,679
today's uh proposal. And then uh

1898
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:31,600
respecting the important details that uh

1899
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,920
are still needed. Absolutely. There are

1900
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,520
construction full construction drawings

1901
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,679
that need to be uh submitted as part of

1902
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:40,080
the subdivision uh side. This is the

1903
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,040
reasonzoning uh consideration and so um

1904
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,840
some of those more um finite details

1905
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,679
will be provided um should the

1906
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,280
redesignation be successful and we go

1907
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,400
forward for subdivision.

1908
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,229
>> So I'll just uh add um I I think that

1909
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:56,239
» So I'll just uh add um I I think that

1910
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,560
it's the engineering details of the

1911
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,360
road, the access of the pond, the the

1912
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,760
pump, all of those are the technical

1913
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,920
details that are being asked for by

1914
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,520
operations.

1915
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,760
perfectly illegitimate and it normally

1916
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,640
would come through in the engineering

1917
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,600
phase of the development. However, when

1918
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,800
we u go through our first phase and

1919
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,360
we're now looking, okay, we've got to

1920
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,000
develop this and sell these lots. But as

1921
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,239
we go forward for the second phase, we

1922
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:28,560
will start to that dialogue between the

1923
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,040
county and the golf club and Alberta

1924
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,360
environment about the change to the golf

1925
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,840
club's license because we can't go

1926
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,719
forward with the ultimate design of that

1927
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:43,120
pond until we know that the license

1928
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,560
which they we're we're we would need to

1929
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,480
change has been accepted by Alberta

1930
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,480
Environment. So, we'll be going through

1931
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,960
many more of those engineering and

1932
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,080
technical details as part of our next

1933
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,880
application when that pond is part of

1934
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,199
it. And the Alberta Environment

1935
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,679
themselves have said, well, we're also

1936
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:06,159
interested in greater details coming

1937
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,480
from you. So, we're fully aware of that

1938
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,320
and we'll we'll work on that in the next

1939
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,920
phase.

1940
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,830
>> Okay. Thank you. Is there any additional

1941
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:13,840
» Okay. Thank you. Is there any additional

1942
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,520
question?

1943
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,880
Councelor Lutz,

1944
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,310
>> um I don't know if you can speak on

1945
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:18,320
» um I don't know if you can speak on

1946
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,480
behalf of Dave Hoggarth, but what are

1947
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,080
you seeing or anticipating for the um

1948
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,159
uptake of these residential lots? We've

1949
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:28,800
kind of covered the industrial lots, but

1950
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,080
we would have been interested to hear

1951
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,840
what his perception was.

1952
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,590
>> The uptake of which lots? The

1953
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:33,600
» The uptake of which lots? The

1954
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,510
>> selling the residential lots.

1955
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:35,520
» selling the residential lots.

1956
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,149
>> Um I mean, it seems the market uh we

1957
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:40,159
» Um I mean, it seems the market uh we

1958
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,320
have to put these lots onto the market.

1959
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,280
We have not done that. We have uh Dave

1960
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,560
has been speaking to various builders

1961
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,800
and apparently

1962
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,800
just in the last period of time uh last

1963
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,880
months he seems to be having much

1964
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,719
greater interest than he had two years

1965
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:01,760
ago when we started this process. So he

1966
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,040
is providing us with an ongoing update.

1967
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,920
But it seems that there are now rather

1968
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,600
than just one or two, there might be

1969
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,840
three or four builders who would be

1970
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,600
interested in taking up uh some of these

1971
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,199
lots once we get through the uh

1972
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:21,440
subdivision process, the engineering,

1973
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,600
the subdivision and the legal plan

1974
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,120
process. So if we are granted an

1975
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,040
approval and we start working on that

1976
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,520
next phase, we'll start to get a much

1977
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,639
better feel for what's uh exactly what

1978
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:37,679
the absorption might be for those lots.

1979
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:40,149
>> Okay. And uh councelor Nixon,

1980
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:40,159
» Okay. And uh councelor Nixon,

1981
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,229
>> I just had a question in regards to the

1982
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:42,239
» I just had a question in regards to the

1983
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:44,960
turnaround um for the temporary

1984
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,000
turnaround for the business portion. Why

1985
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,560
is it set so far in?

1986
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,679
Well, basically we we don't really want

1987
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,080
to build more road than we have to. If

1988
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,040
we have to wait, basically the access

1989
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,400
points for those two lots will come in

1990
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,880
the first half of their property and we

1991
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,239
would finish the uh the groundwork, the

1992
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:11,040
foundation and the surface paving as

1993
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,560
part of the ultimate extension. Um,

1994
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,440
basically it's just it's a timing and a

1995
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,480
cost uh a front ending. The industrial

1996
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,000
roads are much more expensive because of

1997
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,600
the weight requirements than the

1998
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,520
residential roads. So we're just trying

1999
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,320
to to minimize our frontending cost

2000
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,880
without any loss of efficiency for the

2001
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,709
users.

2002
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:38,800
» Okay. So I have a question for

2003
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,440
administration. Um there there's a

2004
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,520
request in the application to reduce the

2005
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,080
size of the business park I believe.

2006
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,750
>> Uh that is correct. That is the request

2007
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:49,760
» Uh that is correct. That is the request

2008
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,840
from from the applicant. So basically

2009
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,320
he's requesting that in order to have a

2010
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,360
taller burm he would require more land

2011
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,719
on that um second strip here that says

2012
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:04,080
SP for parks and recreation to allow

2013
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,040
that. And then so that means that these

2014
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:11,280
lots uh uh phase one and the future lots

2015
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,920
will be slightly

2016
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,159
smaller but um at the subdivision stage

2017
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:21,600
usually municipalities are allowed to um

2018
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,679
allowed uh 10% variance. So we have calc

2019
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,679
taking that into consideration and there

2020
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,360
is no issue with that.

2021
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,390
>> Okay thank you for that.

2022
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:32,400
» Okay thank you for that.

2023
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,560
Um, and uh

2024
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,880
the the last question I have just I'm

2025
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,880
curious. So, we're recommend or u the

2026
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,760
the council's being asked to look at a

2027
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,679
uh parks and wreck district, a PPR

2028
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,000
district. Um but there's a lot of

2029
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,520
discussion in the application about

2030
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,600
passive recreation. I'm just wondering

2031
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,000
why we would go PPR and not the parks

2032
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,560
and conservation district.

2033
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,149
>> Sure. Uh so uh PPR is is typically the

2034
01:26:00,149 --> 01:26:00,159
» Sure. Uh so uh PPR is is typically the

2035
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,000
the one that we use for this type of

2036
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,239
thing. And the reason we don't use PPC,

2037
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:05,520
which is the parks and conservation

2038
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,280
district, is because this is typically

2039
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,280
used for lands that are sensitive in

2040
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,719
nature, something that we need to

2041
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:13,199
preserve, keep in its natural state. And

2042
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:14,960
so yes, recognizing it's still like

2043
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,560
passive and the the possibility for

2044
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,320
passive recreation that can still be

2045
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,040
allowed in parks and uh recreation,

2046
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,800
which is typically what we use for these

2047
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,560
types of things. So it's the sensitivity

2048
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,560
of land that lacks in this regard.

2049
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,080
That's why it's PPR. Okay. Thank you for

2050
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,880
that. Uh, councelor Fulton.

2051
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,189
>> Yes. Just back to the housing question

2052
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:35,199
» Yes. Just back to the housing question

2053
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,639
and you said multiple builders

2054
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:38,320
interested. Is there going to be any

2055
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,880
architectural controls

2056
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,560
implemented in throughout the project?

2057
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,159
Because I'm pretty sure you don't want

2058
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:46,800
to have a mobile home on one lot and a

2059
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,760
$2 million house on the next one. So,

2060
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,189
>> we will be uh looking at a an element of

2061
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:53,199
» we will be uh looking at a an element of

2062
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,360
architectural controls on the property.

2063
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,800
We have not uh set that up yet, but we

2064
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,080
do want to have some level of standard.

2065
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,360
Uh we likely will not be uh setting an

2066
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,920
architectural control that says all

2067
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,199
houses must be tutor style or colonial

2068
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:14,320
style. It's not going to be a level of

2069
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,159
architectural control, let's say,

2070
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:18,080
similar to some subdivisions which

2071
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,440
developers would do. But for sure we

2072
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,760
will be setting conditions when people

2073
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,040
purchase the lots for the forms uh of

2074
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,840
houses which they're able to put on and

2075
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,400
the sort of just a coordinated

2076
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,960
appearance of how that is going to be.

2077
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,800
We're also going to have to have things

2078
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,360
which we will be working on ourselves

2079
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,840
and you might have seen from the report

2080
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,159
uh controlling surface runoff um water

2081
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,000
on their own properties because water

2082
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,080
has to run over easements adjacent to

2083
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,679
properties. There's going to be a number

2084
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:54,639
of controls which we apply to those

2085
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,280
homeowners and that will be done in

2086
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,000
addition to the you know the exercising

2087
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,440
of the bylaw. But we not we will not be

2088
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,080
getting into an excessive number of

2089
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,639
controls on the property. But I do hear

2090
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,880
your point and we have exactly the same

2091
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,629
feeling.

2092
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:17,600
» Hey uh maybe just one last question for

2093
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,679
me on the open houses. So you had it

2094
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:21,040
looks like you had a fairly good turnout

2095
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,560
at your first open house and you did

2096
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,639
hold a second open house. Did you have

2097
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:26,639
good turnout at the second open house?

2098
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:28,390
>> Um

2099
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:28,400
» Um

2100
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,280
I guess it's a good news bad news. uh

2101
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,760
the the the turnout was disappointing

2102
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,120
from our point of view that we only had

2103
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,560
um sort of four households that were

2104
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,760
there. Uh the couple of a land couple of

2105
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,080
land owners from the south who were

2106
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,239
mostly concerned about storm water and

2107
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,880
spoke to Paul about that and I think

2108
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,719
there was two or three I think it was

2109
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:55,199
three households were represented out of

2110
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:58,000
our 21 neighbors. So we were a little

2111
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,520
disappointed. However, um all of this

2112
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,719
material of our changes had been ex had

2113
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:07,440
been sent to people a couple of times

2114
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,280
with the changes over the period of

2115
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,159
time. So, I'm assuming people were

2116
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:14,320
generally happy with what they were

2117
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,199
seeing which became our amendments. Uh

2118
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,440
the first open house we did have about

2119
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:23,840
30 uh people attend. We have about 21 22

2120
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,239
neighbors. So, that's a quite a good

2121
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:28,639
representation. And so we were pleased

2122
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:31,360
by that. And as I mentioned in my

2123
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:32,880
presentation,

2124
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,360
the the comments that were made by the

2125
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,960
public were that they that directly

2126
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,000
resulted in our 40 meter minimum depth

2127
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,320
because the greatest issue they had was

2128
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,760
with the water. So I I feel that between

2129
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,080
the county and ourselves, we've been

2130
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,080
able to come up with a resolution to

2131
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,800
address their biggest concern.

2132
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,510
>> Thank you. So, I'll look to council to

2133
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:57,520
» Thank you. So, I'll look to council to

2134
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,159
see if there's any additional questions.

2135
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,199
Uh, councelor Nixon,

2136
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:02,870
>> sorry, I do just have one clarifying

2137
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:02,880
» sorry, I do just have one clarifying

2138
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,840
question. Um, throughout the agenda

2139
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,719
package, uh, there's different total

2140
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:10,800
amounts of acreages that are mentioned.

2141
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,159
Like one point says 51.23 and another

2142
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,480
part says 56 something something and

2143
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,320
something else says 62 something. What

2144
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,719
what's the actual total volume of the

2145
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:23,840
phase that we're looking at right now?

2146
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,440
Right through the chair uh phase one

2147
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:29,280
will be uh 51.23 acres more or less.

2148
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,199
Right. This is approximately.

2149
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:35,030
>> Okay. Thank you.

2150
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,520
» Okay. There any additional if there's no

2151
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,679
additional questions I will ask if

2152
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:43,679
planning has any closing comments.

2153
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,510
>> No closing comments. Thank you.

2154
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:45,520
» No closing comments. Thank you.

2155
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,870
>> Thank you. And does the applicant have

2156
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:46,880
» Thank you. And does the applicant have

2157
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,159
any closing comments now that you've

2158
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:50,960
just went and sat? Um I we like to get

2159
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:52,800
steps in as well.

2160
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,189
>> Thank you. use of the applicant waves.

2161
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:55,199
» Thank you. use of the applicant waves.

2162
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:58,400
Um, so with that,

2163
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,199
uh, I will close the public hearing for

2164
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:04,639
bylaw number LU 0126

2165
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,639
and I will close the public hearing for

2166
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:09,920
bylaw number 0126.

2167
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,199
And we will take a um, a break until uh,

2168
01:31:13,199 --> 01:40:30,950
10:35.

2169
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,960
Okay. So, we will resume the special

2170
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,360
council meeting of March 12th. We have

2171
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:39,119
closed the public hearing uh for both uh

2172
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,840
the bylaw number LU0126

2173
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,119
and for bylaw number 0126.

2174
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:48,000
So I will look for a motion uh for

2175
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,360
second reading on bylaw number LU0126

2176
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,440
and then we can start the debate. Um

2177
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:56,400
councelor Lutz. So I move that council

2178
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,239
give second reading to bylaw number

2179
01:40:58,239 --> 01:40:59,840
LU126

2180
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,159
redesating the lands within Southeast

2181
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,239
33315

2182
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:07,520
and plan number 9210118

2183
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:08,719
block A.

2184
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:10,550
>> Thank you. And so not a debate, a

2185
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:10,560
» Thank you. And so not a debate, a

2186
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,800
discussion. I'll open the floor for um

2187
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,950
for any comments.

2188
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,440
Uh, councelor Lutz.

2189
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:22,159
So, because this is my area, I feel I

2190
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:25,360
should speak to it. Um,

2191
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,280
I would say there's a certain level of

2192
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:31,840
stakeholder fatigue. This area's been

2193
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,119
between the the highway and olds. I

2194
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:37,040
think there is a realization that there

2195
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,159
will be development. And I think um you

2196
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:42,719
look back at the background and how long

2197
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:46,000
these discussions have happened. Um I

2198
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,920
think we got a ton of feedback in the

2199
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,000
2022 when it was the quarter to the

2200
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,600
east. Um you've done a lot of open

2201
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,119
houses. You've answered a lot of

2202
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:58,639
questions and I I I feel like um

2203
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:00,719
residents in the area have kind of just

2204
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:02,639
accepted the fact that sooner or later

2205
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:05,440
that area is going to close. Um, I hate

2206
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,600
losing farmland and you can't really

2207
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,360
pick better farmland than that. It's

2208
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,000
it's beautiful, but um, you can't stop

2209
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,920
growth and um, I I believe that if

2210
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,560
county sets policy um, we should follow

2211
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,320
our policies and have that

2212
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,719
predictability for for business so that

2213
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,920
they can um, take the risks and hire the

2214
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,080
experts and and do the work. And you've

2215
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,000
done really good work. I'm I'm happy to

2216
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,719
see um I wasn't allowed to council

2217
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:34,400
wasn't supposed to attend the the public

2218
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,480
open house. So um some of this

2219
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:38,480
information was new to me on Friday and

2220
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,480
I think you've done your best to address

2221
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:43,199
water well concerns with that special uh

2222
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:45,440
40 meter and I appreciate that. It shows

2223
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:47,199
that you've listened and we definitely

2224
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:49,199
see other developers that um it's more

2225
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:51,600
of a checkbox exercises and they they

2226
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,920
don't mitigate concerns. So I do

2227
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,040
appreciate that. I think you've

2228
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,000
addressed the fire concerns. So, um I am

2229
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,840
going to support this.

2230
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,669
>> Thank you. Is there any other comments?

2231
01:43:01,669 --> 01:43:01,679
» Thank you. Is there any other comments?

2232
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:03,760
Uh councelor Harris?

2233
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:07,750
>> Yeah. Um I'm generally not in favor of

2234
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:07,760
» Yeah. Um I'm generally not in favor of

2235
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,320
this type of in this quality of farmland

2236
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,880
being absorbed and turned into a

2237
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,760
development. Uh however, I agree with

2238
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:20,800
councelor Lutz. um you can't hold

2239
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:26,400
progress up um other than to ensure that

2240
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,400
um developers have done due diligence

2241
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,360
and that all that can be considered is

2242
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,840
considered including engagement with the

2243
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,880
with the people in the area. Um, I think

2244
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,760
as far as the location of it alongside

2245
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,560
27 and next to a very um, popular

2246
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,000
amenity makes the most sense. Um, so

2247
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,080
I'll support it as well.

2248
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,669
>> Thank you. Is there any other additional

2249
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:51,679
» Thank you. Is there any other additional

2250
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,920
comments?

2251
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,070
>> No. Well, I also commend um,

2252
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:56,080
» No. Well, I also commend um,

2253
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,239
administration and the applicant for uh,

2254
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,639
for bringing forward possible solutions

2255
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:03,440
or a solution for addressing water

2256
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,119
concerns. I think that's uh that's not

2257
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:06,560
something we've seen before and I think

2258
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,040
that's a great um I think that's a great

2259
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,800
addition uh to this application.

2260
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,280
So if there's no uh no other comments

2261
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:16,800
then we have second reading on the

2262
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:18,480
floor. I will call to question. All in

2263
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:21,990
favor

2264
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,159
and opposed

2265
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,119
and that motion is carried.

2266
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:29,280
So I'll look for third reading for bylaw

2267
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,960
number 0 LU0126. Uh councelor Lutz. So I

2268
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,159
further move that council give third

2269
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:37,199
reading to bylaw number LU0126

2270
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,440
redesating the lands within Southeast

2271
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,600
33315

2272
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,480
and plan number 921018

2273
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,080
block A.

2274
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,750
>> Thank you. Is there any discussion?

2275
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:49,760
» Thank you. Is there any discussion?

2276
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:55,430
I will call to question. All in favor

2277
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,840
and opposed.

2278
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,239
And that motion is carried.

2279
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,400
And so now we can move on uh to the

2280
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,199
changes to bylaw number 0126. I'll look

2281
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,040
for a motion, please. Councelor Harris,

2282
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:08,470
>> I'll move the council give second

2283
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:08,480
» I'll move the council give second

2284
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:12,080
reading to bylaw 01/26

2285
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,800
to amend the land use bylaws other

2286
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,119
development regulations within the

2287
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:20,480
country residential 1 district by adding

2288
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:23,040
well depth requirements for phase 1

2289
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,560
within the southeast of 3331

2290
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:27,760
west of the 5th.

2291
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,950
>> Thank you. Any discussion?

2292
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,560
Seeing none, I will call to question.

2293
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,600
All in favor

2294
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,840
and that motion is carried. Councelor

2295
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:40,960
Harris,

2296
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:42,790
>> I'll move the council give third reading

2297
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:42,800
» I'll move the council give third reading

2298
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,280
to bylaw 0126

2299
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,520
to amend the land use bylaws other

2300
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,280
development regulations within the

2301
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,760
country residential one district by

2302
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,600
adding well-d depth requirements for

2303
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,760
phase 1 within the southeast of 3331

2304
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,000
west of the 5th. Thank you. Any

2305
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,480
discussion?

2306
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:05,440
I'll call to question. All in favor?

2307
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:08,000
And that motion is carried. And we have

2308
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,840
one additional motion for the concept

2309
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,360
plan.

2310
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,189
>> Uh, councelor Nixon.

2311
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:13,199
» Uh, councelor Nixon.

2312
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:14,709
>> I would move that council approve the

2313
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:14,719
» I would move that council approve the

2314
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:16,400
concept plan for the entire quarter

2315
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,119
section in the southeast 3331 west of

2316
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,480
the 5th and plan 9210118

2317
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:23,440
block 8.

2318
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,189
>> Thank you.

2319
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:25,199
» Thank you.

2320
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,520
Is there any discussion? Councelor

2321
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:28,320
Lights,

2322
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,470
>> I'm just wondering to administration.

2323
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:30,480
» I'm just wondering to administration.

2324
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,280
Um, so there could be amendments to the

2325
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,400
concept plan in the next, you know,

2326
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,560
decade or whatever. How does that work?

2327
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,310
>> Yeah. So, uh, so today council's being

2328
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:40,320
» Yeah. So, uh, so today council's being

2329
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:41,679
asked to look at the concept plan that's

2330
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:43,520
presented today in the agenda package.

2331
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,040
Uh, if there was some changes to the

2332
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,880
concept plan with future phases, that is

2333
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,440
something that can be contemplated um at

2334
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:51,520
a future time.

2335
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,109
>> Thank you. As long as they meet the

2336
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:53,119
» Thank you. As long as they meet the

2337
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:56,800
densities in the MDP. Okay. Is there any

2338
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,480
further discussion on that motion?

2339
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:02,800
No. Okay. I will call to question. All

2340
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,229
in favor?

2341
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,960
Uh, sorry. All in favor

2342
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:14,629
and opposed. And that motion's carried.

2343
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,800
And I will look to Jeff. I believe that

2344
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,400
concludes uh all of the uh items on the

2345
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:21,360
agenda for today.

2346
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,629
>> Correct, Ree? That is the end of the

2347
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:22,639
» Correct, Ree? That is the end of the

2348
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:23,360
agenda.

2349
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,189
>> Thank you. And so with that, I will

2350
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:25,199
» Thank you. And so with that, I will

2351
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:26,639
adjourn the special council meeting of

2352
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:28,159
March 12th. Thank you everyone for

2353
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,159
coming.