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I know I do.

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Oh, really, you are on these kind of things. Counting

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Yeah. I think, OK, it is, uh, 9:59 and I'm gonna call

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the orders. Recording in progress interview board meeting. Town of Mountain Village.

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It is October 1st, 2026. And with that, uh, Amy, you would like to start with the

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review of board voting procedures.

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Yeah, so, um, there's been a couple of cases where we're reviewing the recording

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after a meeting and it's difficult to tell, especially when we have members online,

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um, who's voting what so I would like to, um, just suggest that when we have folks

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that are online voting that they do a roll roll call vote. A roll call vote so that

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we have the folks that are here that we can see and verify in person who's voting

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yay or nay but then online that they state their name and then their vote for individual

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items.

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August 6, 2026, the design review board meeting. And this item was continued to the

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October 1, 2026 Design Review Award meeting, so. Make a motion to approve the minutes

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of 60. DOB meeting. Thanks for the changes. Maybe we can also clarify

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about, about the alternative alternative, uh, voting procedure. So if everybody is

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what is it um oh yeah sorry there was one extra yeah yeah. Yeah, so, um, I think

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at the beginning of the meeting, Banks, if I could ask the chair to verify who are

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voting members and who are not voting members for that meeting, that would also be

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appreciated. And if it changes through the meeting. Exactly, yeah, yeah, to note

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those changes. And so is it 5 people who are here that that's the quorum that meets

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the threshold for a quorum and voting, or how does that work? No, the quorum is 4,

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and then the board in the voting members in the board are 7. OK, so we have 7 regular

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members. We have 2 alternates for a total board of 9. if there's 7 regular members

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here, then the alternates don't vote. If there's 6 members here, then the first alternate

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votes, and if they're, you know, they're, they're on so. Um, so maybe while we're,

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we're, while we're on this agenda item, can we establish the voting, uh, for today?

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And as I said, we have 5 regular members here. And we have Alternates online by chance?

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Who's online? Um, member Kramer is online as well as member Austin.

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Member Kramer is online as well as member Austin. So who is our first alternate on

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the line and Jim is the first alternate, so Jim would be voting.

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Ellen's present. So Jim will be voting. Yep, present.

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Congratulations, Jim. And, and, and if Adam does show up, then we'll need to just

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pause for a second and note a change in the voting if, if.

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With that. We actually had emotion on the floor. There's your

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2nd. Any discussion on that item? Not all ask for the vote. Would

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you like a roll call on each of these since Jim's online? Um, we could just, we can

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do the in-house vote and then, and thanks, when we call for the vote, if you could

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then call for the online vote and do a roll. OK. Great, I'll ask for a vote then

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I'll and.

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Did you, yes or no?

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And Mr. Austin. Bye. Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Doesn't Ellen get a vote?

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Yeah, Ellen. Oh, I'm sorry, and Ellen and Ellen. Hi. OK.

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Great. Uh, our next agenda item, this is a reading approval summary of motions of

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the September 3, 2026 designer review board meeting. I might get a notion.

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I'll make a motion to approve the DRB minutes for September 3, 2026 meeting.

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Great, thank you. Is there, you got a second. Is there any further discussion?

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If not ask for a vote all in-house. Hi. Ellen

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You're muted. You're muted, but you're waving. I'll take the waviness. You're so

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actually I I eyed twice, but that's OK. Thank you. Can a non-voting member make a

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it. Just to, just to clarify.

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So, Toby, feel free. OK. All right. Our next agenda item is consideration

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of design review. This is final architectural review for a multi-family building

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containing 15 employee apartments at Lot 640A 306 Adams Ranch Road pursuant to CDC

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Section 17411. This item was continued from the September 3rd Design Review Board

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meeting.

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And Amy, your, your pleasure.

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I'll be uh taking the presentation today.

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All right, thank you, chair. So this will be the final architecture review for Lot

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640A 306 Adams Ranch Road, AKA the Mountain View Apartments.

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I think everybody's familiar with this project by now. Um, but, um, the, the applicant

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is John Miller from Hondrosa Planning and, um, on behalf of Telski, TSG Ski and Golf.

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Uh, the zoning is multi-family. It's an existing parcel with, uh, 30 units on it,

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um, with, uh, the proposed use being uh 15 more units for a total of 45 units.

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Um, so, uh, obviously this case has been around for a few months now. Um, there's

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lots of background on it, so I'll run through that first. Um, the, as I just mentioned,

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it's a multi-family, uh, zoning with the existing 30 unit employee apartment complex

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owned by Telski. It also includes a, uh, service parking lot and open space that

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is, uh, used as a park. It's also owned by Telski. Um, in 2019 there was an entitlement

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for 19 density units that entitlement has expired. Since then there's been several

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work sessions to work out this, uh, site plan. Um, also there was a citizen initiated

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ordinance that limits the overall density on the lot to 45 units, so that equals

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15 additional. Including, sorry, cut out there for a second, including uh the um

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existing. Or 45 total of 15 additional. Anyway. Um So, the applicant has

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supplied three applications as part of this project, a density transfer and rezone

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that was approved by council at the July 16th town council meeting, a minor subdivision

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that would be heard by the town council subsequent to the results of this, um, class

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three design review, and then the class three design review which is before you today.

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The initial architecture review was, uh, initially heard in I believe May and then,

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um, approved unanimously in July. Um, see, and so as part of the density transfer

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and rezone that was approved by council, they did include a condition that the final

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design, site plan, parking plan match the concept that was, um, that was presented

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at the density transfer and rezone hearing. So, as you'll see that, uh, that design

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has been carried forward into this final architecture review. So, the proposal itself

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includes a 3-story, 11,148 square square foot structure including 15 two-bedroom

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apartments. They are proposing 65 total parking spaces, an expanded graded field

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area, landscape area, relocated trash, and uh the uh the minor subdivision to redraw

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the lot lines.

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These are the existing conditions, the existing survey showing uh the basketball

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court, the existing lot line which cuts kind of curves across the property here that

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would be relocated for this proposal. There's also a uh previous wetland delineation

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that has now been relocated based on the newly provided wetland delineation.

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So, there's been some significant changes since the July initial architecture review.

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If you were following the density transfer hearing, a lot of this was reflected in

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that, uh, most recent proposal as part of the density transfer, um, but I'll go through

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the significant changes since the pre uh most recent design review. Um, they've removed

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the entire parking area in front of the building that was directly to the south of

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the building, um, and, um, they've reduced the overall parking to 65 spaces that

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will require design variation for an alternative parking requirement. We'll get into

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that later, um, but that is, um, dramatically changing the site plan, uh, removing

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that additional parking area and reducing the overall footprint of the parking, um,

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at the request of town council. Um, they've also subsequently relocated the trash

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enclosures, uh, associated with that reduction in parking. Um, they've relocated

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or they've added a gravel path on the western side of the building. We have a condition

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of approval associated with that. They've also added a photometric study for the

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lighting plan, updated the wetland delineation, um, they're depicting snow storage

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for the parking area. They're, and then they've updated the landscape and wildfire

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mitigation plans. Uh, revise their high calculations and remove, remove some of the

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G encroachments.

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So going over the um Top-level zoning requirements, um, things that have changed

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since the initial architecture review, the height calculations have been revised.

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Um, they're well under the maximum height for a multi-family unit with gables. Um,

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I also, the stone percentage I believe was increased slightly, but it still requires

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a design variation and the parking, excuse me, has been reduced to below the required

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68 spaces. Which requires the alternative parking requirement, design variation as

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well. Um, otherwise, there were some general easement encroachments approved as part

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of the initial architecture review. Um, some of these have been minimized or removed,

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uh, but, uh, but those approvals are still in place. There's also a, uh, design variation

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for the hardy board siding that's, that was also approved at the initial architecture

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review and has not changed. They've updated their renderings. I believe this is the

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same design that you saw at the July hearing. It's just looking a little brighter,

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look, and including some landscaping. Um, so, that's updated. The floor plans are

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not updated. Those, those remain the same two-bedroom apartments. They have provided

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their elevations, uh, height elevations to depict the proposed and, uh, existing

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grade, um, showing here that they're well below that proposed grade, um, height limitation

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that was a request as a condition of approval at the initial review, so it's been

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met with these revised calculations and diagrams, also providing the roof diagram

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showing all of the height calculation points for the average roof height.

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Um, they provided a revised roof plan. Uh, there was a public comment with concerns

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regarding drainage, especially around the, um, building itself and in the courtyard.

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I, I just want to point out with the roof plan, it does show the, the snow fencing

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around the courtyard as required by code as well as down sprouts and gutters. Um,

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however, if, if there's still concerns about drainage around the building. The DRB

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may request that a revised plan be provided with additional details for drainage.

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Uh, in and around the building.

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The overall building form materiality hasn't changed, uh, significantly. They still

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need to provide a specification for the soccer materials. Otherwise, the materials

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are meant to match the existing Mountain View apartments, and I believe they have

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provided a, a, um, aerials board which I'm sure John will bring up during his presentation.

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OK. So, getting into the updated site plan, um, this is where you'll see the most

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significant changes since the initial review as, as I mentioned, uh, the big changes

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they removed this additional parking area here in the middle, uh, in front of the

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building, uh, that was to accommodate the preservation of as much open space as possible,

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which achieves uh request from town council, um, to, to preserve this recreational

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space. Um, and they've also removed any parking from this area here, which, uh, had

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previously been shown to go all the way to the road to preserve these three trees

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again at the request of council. So, um, in order to achieve this parking plan, they

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did have to reduce the parking to 65 spaces, which is below the CDC required 68 spaces,

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which is why they're requesting the alternative parking requirement. Um, um, I have

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a slide about that specifically, uh, in a sec. Just want to point out this is where

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the basketball court was or is, and in the future, uh, there would be um new parking

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here, so there's, that's also additional parking um that would be new. Um, other

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things that are new is with the site plan, they've, this is the gravel path that

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they've proposed, uh, which connects to the parking lot through a crosswalk. This,

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uh, we have a slide about this, but, um, staff is requesting that this be paved.

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Uh, otherwise, as you can see, instead of the parking lot, they provided this kind

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of pavilion area which seems nice, and then also relocated the trash enclosures to

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be closer to the road and just has this little drive-in.

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OK, yeah, so as I mentioned, there is uh this gravel path here and Uh, staff is requesting

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that this be upgraded to a paved path to, uh, to match with the proposed or the future

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sidewalk that is going to be built along Adams Ranch Road. Um, that's just for improved

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accessibility and, and, uh, maintenance of that path. Um, as you can see, both planning,

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public works, and transit have all requested that this, uh, path be be provided,

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um, and we've confirmed with public works that a future sidewalk would, would connect

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and they have requested that it be paved because connecting to a paved path would

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be easier than a gravel path.

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OK, so now looking at the alternative parking requirement in more detail, as you

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can see from this uh parking civil drawing here, um, the blue parking or the shaded

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parking is the new parking as part of this project. Uh, as you can see where the

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where the basketball court was, as well as over here in the corner and the new path.

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Um They're also showing snow storage on the field. However, this does seem to possibly

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conflict with the landscape plan which shows landscaping all along the parking here,

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so we did ask as a condition of approval that that conflict be um resolved. As for

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the uh parking requirement request itself, um, as I've mentioned, um, To achieve

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their 65 spaces, they would need to meet the criteria for the alternative parking

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requirement, which are these alternative parking requirements shall shall be uh sufficient

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to meet the parking demand of the proposed uses and shall not be detrimental to the

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public health, safety and welfare. It also requires a parking demand study from a

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parking expert. That study was provided uh and through a memo and essentially it,

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it conducted a study where it Um, counted the existing demand of Mountain View at

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different times of the day, uh, finding a, um, parking per unit ratio that, um,

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that calculated out would equal approximately 60 parking spaces for all 45 units.

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Um, so their finding was that 65 spaces would be sufficient to, uh, support the proposed

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use and. Um, staff reviewed the memo and concurs with the findings. We also believe

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that 65 spaces should be sufficient.

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OK, moving to the landscape and fire mitigation plan. This was updated since initial

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review. Um, there's 38 trees, 15 total trees removed, um, as you can see with the

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red dots there. Um, as I mentioned, there are these trees along the, uh, parking

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area that will probably need to be revised to allow for some sort of access for snow

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storage or just at least showing that there's enough space there to, uh, push a plow

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through. Um, but as you can see, they're providing shade along the, um, picnic area

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and, and throughout this, um, Kind of recreational area. Um, in terms of fire mitigation,

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they're showing a 15 ft buffer outside of um the trees that are adjacent to the building.

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This does likely meet the exemption. Uh, criteria in the fire mitigation plan. However,

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we do want the town. Forester to review this plan and he's been out on leave for

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a couple of weeks. So we just added condition here that the uh fire mitigation get

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final approval by the town forester for prior to building permit, but as far as I

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understand, this plan was worked out between the applicant and the forester, so I

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believe it um should meet our new code.

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And then, uh, their irrigation plan is not something we typically talk about at DRB

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Hello. OK. Um, Yeah, uh, because there's this recreation component, we wanted to

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flag this. Um, so, in this, in this irrigation plan, the red is a temporary drip

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line for establishing, uh, landscaping and the blue would be permanent. As you can

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see, neither of those lines extend out into the field, which is here. Um The applicant

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has proposed to partially regrade the field and make it flatter and expand it, which

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is great. However, without irrigation, staff is concerned that, you know, it will

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be dry as it has been this summer. Um, there is apparently towns owned irrigation

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in that field. However, with the regrading, it probably would need to be relocated

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or removed. So, this is just something we wanted to flag in case DRB feels that um

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this should be part of the approval for irrigation of the field or otherwise maintaining

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that field as a um recreational asset. Mm OK, and then I believe this is the last

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slide. Um, looking briefly at the lighting, it's pretty straightforward. There's

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only two fixtures, um, recessed cans and some, uh, wall-mounted sconces for 26 total

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fixtures throughout the, um, complex. Um, the recessed cans are on the balconies

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and stairwell areas while the Excuse me, the sconces are, um, mounted outside the

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main entrance of the, uh, facility. All the fixtures meet code in terms of lumens,

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uh, temperature, um, that sort of thing, mounting height, so staff has no concerns

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about the lighting plan.

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OK. So, with that staff um does recommend approval of the final architecture review

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for this project, including the previously approved general easement encroachments,

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as well as the design variations for hardy board siding and fascia, the alternative

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parking requirement, and the reduced stone percentage of 28%. Um, and with the following

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conditions, some of these are a little more meaty and different than our typical.

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So, just to review, the final parking plan needs to be a not, not a draft. Um, we

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need to see the updated wetland delineation, uh, specify this, um, software material,

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provide a paved connection to the road. All gravel paths, um, shall meet TMV standards,

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um. Fire mitigation plan shall be approved by town forester. Install compliant lighting

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and existing dress monument, and I believe those are all of them that are different

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than normal. OK. Thank you.

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Great, thank you. Uh, Ward questions for staff.

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Here, please. Uh, yeah, and this may already have But I did see it

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mentioned in the material. Um, is this apartment only for Telsky and Yes,

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it's owned by Telski. It'll be deed restricted. Um, I'm not sure if that deed restriction

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will have any requirement that they're Telski employees, but seeing that it's owned

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by Telski, I don't see why they would rent it to anybody else. OK, uh.

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The roof material was that finalized because there was kind of a question in the

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materials we got about it said silver at one point and another. Yeah, I believe they

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did update the uh roof material to be dark charcoal staining seam so the yeah, in

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the initial review there was a question of It was specified as metallic, which could

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be shiny, which is not allowed. So, um, I, I think we'll see in the materials board

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it is not shiny. OK, great, thank you. That's all I have.

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David, uh, Daniel, thank you for the presentation and thoroughness of that. Um, one

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thing that I was hoping to pick up on was, uh, loading unloading zones and requirements

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on a multi-family. Has that been resolved in this application and or addressed?

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Do, do you have any comments on that? Cause I, I don't think that's something we,

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we addressed in this last review. So

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Um So multi-family is, I, I'd have to check. So I, I believe it's just in

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the code where it says you have to have a loading zone that's like within your parking

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garage and that's why for Little Rose we had to do a uh specific approval for relocating

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that, but I don't believe that's for all loading zones, so I'd have, we'd have to

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check. I guess the other thing to consider is that this is um. Other nonconforming

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because the property existed before that requirement was likely put into the CDC,

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um, and this is in addition to that property whether or not DRB wanted to require

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that, um, I think that this, you know, there. Really primarily relates to the village

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center and delivery trucks for retail, uh, you know, for uh, sorry, restaurant, commercial,

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etc. um, in this case a loading zone there's certainly plenty of area for a FedEx

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or you. UPS truck to be able to deliver here this property would not, it doesn't

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have a restaurant, it doesn't have any of those retail serving things that would

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require that type of loading zone. Um, I'm, I feel fairly comfortable just leaving

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it as grandfathered nonconforming if DRB wants to discuss that they can take that

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up during their deliberations.

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Thank you. Let's move down the, the line here. Daniel, can you go show your uh slide

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again with the irrigation? Yes.

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Um And my question is gonna be about irrigating the field. OK.

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And I'm gonna wait to hear. I didn't quite understand the third point there. The

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regrade of the field likely means removing, relocating existing town-owned irrigation.

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Right. So, My understanding is that there, the town owns irrigation lines in that

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field, however, we've been asked to not use them. Um And seeing as they're regrading

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that entire field. Likely those irrigation lines would have to be removed to achieve

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the regrading because they're gonna be in there with site work machines. So it's,

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it's unresolved at this point. What if it's unresolved at this point whether or not

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um the town would irrigate, Telski would irrigate, nobody irrigates. That's, that's

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where we're at. Well, that's, that's a rub for me. I know in our initial review.

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There's lip service paid to maintain in the field is local play area, and there's

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nothing in this, and I think the same thing happened to town council, but there's

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nothing in this. Yeah, I, I that says anything about it. Yeah, there was discussion,

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uh, I'll just say that there was no condition or anything binding, uh, at council

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saying that they have to irrigate this field. However, the DRB may find that to be

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necessary. OK. Uh, and could you also clarify that one of the walkways is gonna be

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paved, and that's from the, the. The crosswalk in the parking area to Adams Ranch.

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So, my understanding is both of these paths are currently specified as gravel. Both

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this one here, which is kind of replacing the existing path up to Mountain View from

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the road, and then this smaller path is also specified as gravel. Staff is asking

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that this particular path be Upgraded to paved. Interior, the parking lot itself.

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Yeah. OK. And that is one of our conditions. Baby Nevada. Yes, staff has added that

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condition, yes. Great. And to clarify, there's no deed restriction with this property.

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No, there is. There will be, yeah, they'll be using the, I believe it's the 1997

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deed restriction that we use, uh, for, for all deed restriction units in Mountain

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Village. OK, great. Thank you so much. Scott anything?

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I'm just looking at the uh lighting fixtures, um, do they Um, there's a couple of

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different lumen specifications. Do they have one, picked out and does that meet our

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new code? Yes, um, so first of all, because this was submitted prior to the adoption

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of the new code, the new new code, um, it would be under the code as of prior to

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July. Um, secondly, yes, they have specifications in their, um, plan set. These,

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these spec sheets don't show, but they're in their plan set they do, um, specify

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the lumen count, the temperature for each of these, um. Fixtures and they they do

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meet the code. Yeah Yeah, and so the, um, so although this was submitted prior,

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there was a, a little dilemma on my part about.

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Required to be retrofitted, um, but with the edits that council has made to. This

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would be considered, um, the, there was an exception basically for, for, uh, for

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soffit and, and, um, recessed lighting that existed under a certain lumen and this

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would meet that, so there would be no need for a retrofit in the future.

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OK, thank you. Liz, anything OK. Uh, Ellen

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Questions, comments? Actually, no comments. Jim, questions. Yeah, uh,

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Daniel, thank you very much for this complete presentation, um, and, and I hope this

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doesn't duplicate what Banks just asked, but could you pull up again that picture

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of the irrigation plan, because I was a little confused as to what is the open space

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to be used as a park, and was there prior, any prior commitment to how that was to

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be maintained.

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One sec.

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I was wondering if they could make me look less.

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What's up? OK. You're, you're, yeah, we've got a very large screen here and

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Um Uh, remember Austin, uh, so this, this is the diagram showing the irrigation lines.

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Um, if you see these kind of hatched areas or lighter hatched areas out here, that's

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meant to be like, I don't know if it's turf grass, but certainly not like a long

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grass for a recreation field. Um, you may be familiar, there's been About a lot of

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back and forth about the management of this space and um Telski wants to maintain

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ownership of it and has not indicated that they're willing to convey any sort of

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easement um or and we haven't had a management agreement or anything like that put

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in place. So as I mentioned, as it stands now, it's it's essentially gonna be unmanaged,

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uh, maybe the applicant can. Indicate any plans they have for management, uh, but

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clearly there's no irrigation which would keep it green. OK, so, and that could be

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a condition that that we add on to this application, is that right, Daniel? That's

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what, that's what we're saying, yes. Good, thank you.

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Thanks, Jim. Any other questions for staff?

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Uh, if not, I'll ask for presentation by the applicant. You'd be kind enough to come

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forward, introduce yourself, and Walk us through

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Good day.

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Just gonna share my screen quickly.

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Right. So I think, you know, I was kind of thinking about what the best way to approach

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this meeting would be today.

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Might just be better to kind of go over the things that have changed since the last

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meeting, recognizing staff just went into a lot of detail about those things and

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then talk about some of the conditions because I feel like we have accomplished some

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of those things since we've submitted the packet. So I'd just like to show you that,

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show you guys those items. Um, In terms of where we were at last time we discussed

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this, we went to town council and there were some items that town council, uh, felt

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like were important as it relates to not just livability for the residents in this

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complex, but the neighborhood in general, right? And those things really related

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to the park, mainly that was the big conversation. But also some things around how

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we screen the building correctly with the existing vegetation that's in place now

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versus what we're proposing. And so what we're seeing today with the site plan that's

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On the screen is really a reflection of that. Um, things like the parking reduction

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was a direct correlation from town council saying we want to keep these 3 trees on

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the corner of the lot. That necessitated those three spaces being removed. And I

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can go through that parking study in a little bit more detail now that I have the

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final draft, and we can discuss if we need to. Um, Dave, your comment at the last

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meeting was related to the trail. We had talked about the general easement and the

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location of the trail in general. Um, town council had a different view. Town council

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wanted us to put the trail back by the building in the general easement. So we were

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kind of trying to balance multiple different, I guess, perspectives on Not just the

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use of the space, but also how it's seen from the right of way and from the rest

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of the community. Um, I will say some of the big changes that staff went over really

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related to the parking. We shifted that entire parking away from the open space.

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We felt like it was a better design, but it allowed us to keep more of that green

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space intact. Um, some of the other comments town council had related to parking,

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they wanted us to shift that parking closer to the building so that we were able

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to preserve some clusters of trees that were on site. Um, and then the build, the,

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the, the fire mitigation plan itself, again, is a really a function of town council

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saying we want to keep these trees along the street. We want to have as much screening

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as possible. So, I guess what I'm trying to just really push is that we were balancing

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a lot of different, um, I guess perspectives on what this site should look like,

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and we do truly feel like this resulted in a better design. So we appreciate the

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reiterative steps through the process. Um, The access path, so we do have the two

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paths, right? We have one that staff recommended be paved, and I discussed that with

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Alex and Telski, and I think we're OK with that. That does add a little bit of cost,

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but it really is minimal and it will create that connection. So we're good with that

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condition. As it relates to the path on the top, the the gravel path that would go

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from the building down. When I worked with our landscape designer, that path was

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intended to be created in a way that somebody could push a stroller up that path.

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Right? So we wanted to keep good grades, we didn't want it to be too steep, we didn't

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want it to have too sharp, too sharp of a turn as it comes around. So the way this

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is designed right now, it's not ADA accessible, but again, somebody with a stroller

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could push their stroller up this hill and access the green space and that was really

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the goal. How do we get people into the park? Um, snow storage. I think you guys

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know how snow storage goes around here, right? Like you put it where you can put

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it, and when it gets too much, you take it somewhere else. And I think that was our

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perspective. We wanted to recognize that we do have a lot of space that we could

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put snow and if we need to revise the landscape plan or demonstrate it in a different

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way, we're happy to do that. But I think the reality of how it works here is when

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the snow gets too deep, A truck comes and it gets removed and takes, it gets taken

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somewhere else. And so that's really how it's gonna probably work. Um, again, we

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moved the trash. When I looked at the trash rates and how much trash would be generated,

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I addressed those things in the narrative, so I hope that got that condition resolved.

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Um, the parking study, I'm just gonna switch tabs real quick. I hope I can do it

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without stop sharing.

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So again, the parking study. It was a result of town council wanting to keep 3 trees.

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And when I reached out to the parking study, um, engineer, what he basically asked

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me to do, I'm just gonna quickly explain how this all works. He said, I need to see

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how many cars are there. At a time that would generally have full occupancy of the

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units, right? So that's either 6:30 in the morning or like 9:30 at night. Right?

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So 3 nights we had somebody go out and count the cars in the parking lot. That information

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was conveyed to the engineer. And that was based on the total number of occupied

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units in Mountain View, which is 100%, it's fully occupied, right? So we got Whatever

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the numbers were for each night, I don't have them on the top of my head. And he

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basically looked at it compared to this parking study and how parking is generated,

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and the result was Essentially agreeing with a reduction of the space count that

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it would be minimal and it wouldn't cause any negative impacts in terms of. So again,

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we felt like from the beginning, the nature of the location, given how close it is

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to the gondola, how our parking is managed currently, we didn't think that it would

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be a problem, but this is something that we just wanted to document as part of the

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requirements. Um. We also worked with a wetland engineer. So we did our wetland study,

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which is a requirement that's come up a number of times throughout the process. But

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Staff had asked for some additional information about the weapons, right? And really

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the goal of this, I guess we could call it a supplement was To address how the construction

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00:41:00,093 --> 00:41:05,001
is gonna work, right? We have this construction that's happening, we have wetlands

416
00:41:05,001 --> 00:41:09,007
that are close by, you know, we're not impacting the wetlands, but they're close

417
00:41:09,007 --> 00:41:13,021
by. And the goal is to say, OK, if we're gonna do this, what is the impact to the

418
00:41:13,021 --> 00:41:18,053
wetlands through the construction project. So, Terra firm came out, they worked with

419
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:24,049
our engineer, um, and I'm just gonna switch to this first. You can see the wetlands

420
00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:30,007
in the red dash on the screen. So there's the wetland. That's where the beavers are

421
00:41:30,007 --> 00:41:37,075
at here. And then there's also a small wetland between the parking area and

422
00:41:37,075 --> 00:41:45,044
Timberview. Um, so, Fisher worked with David Balo. Essentially, what their

423
00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:51,027
job was, was to beef up the construction mitigation, the CMPs for the wetland area.

424
00:41:51,065 --> 00:41:56,024
And so, when you go down, I'm just gonna kind of paraphrase here, but this is kind

425
00:41:56,024 --> 00:42:04,006
of the Cliff Notes of this document. I'm just gonna read it abbreviated. Parking

426
00:42:04,006 --> 00:42:07,035
lot drainage from Mountain View appears to coalesce in the northwest corner of the

427
00:42:07,035 --> 00:42:10,083
parking lot, enter a storm invert, and drain into the wetland community west of the

428
00:42:10,083 --> 00:42:14,095
project area. No direct wetland impacts from construction or installation of the.

429
00:42:17,006 --> 00:42:23,065
Nor shown on the plant set. Indirect impacts may include the following. This one's

430
00:42:23,065 --> 00:42:27,066
interesting, increased hydraulic input resulting in a net benefit to wetland function

431
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:32,007
and values. So what this is saying is that by capturing that water, putting it through

432
00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:36,082
the right processing before it goes into the wetland, you're going to have more water

433
00:42:36,082 --> 00:42:40,007
available for the wetland community, especially in dry years. So you're going to

434
00:42:40,007 --> 00:42:47,006
see a net function increase of that wetland. Potential increased sedimentation and

435
00:42:47,006 --> 00:42:51,042
salt introduction. So that's just given, you know, when you, when you have snow that

436
00:42:51,042 --> 00:42:54,007
melts, you have cars that drive on roads, they get a little salt. I think that's

437
00:42:54,007 --> 00:42:58,006
pretty typical what you see that around here. And then potential trash introduction

438
00:42:58,063 --> 00:43:03,046
just because of how trash moves when it rains. So, at the end of the day, it says

439
00:43:03,046 --> 00:43:07,053
the opinion of the project will not negatively impact either wetland community adjacent

440
00:43:07,059 --> 00:43:13,088
or Excuse me, it will not negatively impact either wetland community adjacent to

441
00:43:13,088 --> 00:43:19,000
the site. So I hope that kind of settles that conversation, but really again, like

442
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,006
our goal was never to impact the site, the wetlands on the site. We wanted to keep

443
00:43:23,006 --> 00:43:27,057
enough space. We wanted to always be respectful of those communities given the long

444
00:43:28,001 --> 00:43:35,008
history. In the town of Mountain Village. And we think We get there with this plan,

445
00:43:35,061 --> 00:43:36,015
um.

446
00:43:38,043 --> 00:43:44,004
Lighting considerations, um, I think Jim brought up lighting. I wanted to mention

447
00:43:44,098 --> 00:43:48,061
the way these soft, regardless of the lighting change code, right? Let's think about

448
00:43:48,061 --> 00:43:53,049
this practically. You have soffit lights on the interior courtyard of this building,

449
00:43:53,007 --> 00:43:59,012
and then on the stair, excuse me, on the outside of this walkway, you have slatted

450
00:43:59,014 --> 00:44:03,076
wood, right? Like It would be different, I think, if the building was turned and

451
00:44:03,076 --> 00:44:08,073
there were no slats and the soffits were up 30 ft in the air, but they're not. They're

452
00:44:08,073 --> 00:44:12,039
really shielded in this courtyard already and then you have this additional layer

453
00:44:12,041 --> 00:44:17,048
of slatted wood keeping the light from spilling. So, we really tried to go with the

454
00:44:17,048 --> 00:44:22,043
most basic lighting plan that we could go with. I think really you could do more,

455
00:44:22,045 --> 00:44:27,014
but we were just trying to be sensitive of everything. Um.

456
00:44:29,085 --> 00:44:33,068
And then there were some public comments. I think Kath commented on some of the drainage

457
00:44:33,068 --> 00:44:37,094
stuff, and I just really quickly wanted to Well, uh

458
00:44:41,068 --> 00:44:46,007
The plan set and I'm just gonna go to the roof plan. And

459
00:44:50,033 --> 00:44:55,097
You can see on the roof plan how the roof is proposed to drain. Right, the roof is

460
00:44:55,097 --> 00:45:02,097
draining to the rear. This is Adam's ranch on this side. And the arrows kind of indicate

461
00:45:02,099 --> 00:45:08,054
which way it's gonna drain. This is the courtyard. You have the snow fencing here.

462
00:45:09,073 --> 00:45:14,036
So really the goal of this was anywhere where you have water. Coming this direction,

463
00:45:14,049 --> 00:45:21,037
so really these roof planes. I'm moving my mouse. All drains into an interior gutter

464
00:45:21,037 --> 00:45:25,047
system and down into that courtyard, there's some planting boxes and we're trying

465
00:45:25,047 --> 00:45:30,032
to augment some of the water used through the drainage. Obviously, in the wintertime,

466
00:45:30,068 --> 00:45:34,023
you're probably gonna have to heat tape those drains, right? That's how you have

467
00:45:34,023 --> 00:45:40,022
to do it. Um I wanna switch over just so we can see an aerial view. I think that

468
00:45:40,022 --> 00:45:43,014
might be more helpful for this next part of this discussion.

469
00:45:53,064 --> 00:45:58,075
So, obviously drainage is a concern in the mountains in the wintertime, you have

470
00:45:58,075 --> 00:46:01,009
water that comes down and it melts, and then it goes somewhere and it freezes again,

471
00:46:02,012 --> 00:46:08,049
potentially. Um. I think given the setbacks of this building to the road.

472
00:46:10,094 --> 00:46:15,057
I mean, are you going to see ice dams building up all the way down to the road? I,

473
00:46:15,007 --> 00:46:20,097
I don't know if that's an answer that I, or question I can really truly answer 100%.

474
00:46:21,014 --> 00:46:26,004
But I think given that the building is over 16 ft away from the pathway, the sidewalk,

475
00:46:26,078 --> 00:46:31,005
that you're not gonna see ice dams that are going that far. And if you are, what

476
00:46:31,005 --> 00:46:33,041
would you do anywhere else in the mountain village? You would go out and you would

477
00:46:33,041 --> 00:46:37,025
chip it away and you'd remove it. It's just part of regular maintenance in the wintertime.

478
00:46:37,072 --> 00:46:43,092
Um. I was a little confused about the drainage coming from off-site, from downhill.

479
00:46:44,001 --> 00:46:48,005
I know that there have been in the past some drainage issues with Timberview and

480
00:46:48,005 --> 00:46:54,018
how the water drains down this hillside into here. But by the time you get to our

481
00:46:54,018 --> 00:46:59,014
entrance, you're, you're pretty flat. The ground is flattened out and so I'm not

482
00:46:59,014 --> 00:47:06,053
sure how water would migrate onto the site from off-site. Um, And generally speaking,

483
00:47:06,062 --> 00:47:11,025
the site's pretty flat, right? So the water from the parking lot is going to go through

484
00:47:11,025 --> 00:47:16,024
the drains. The water from the building is going to be directed. Away from the building

485
00:47:16,024 --> 00:47:21,008
as it's supposed to be. So, I think we've addressed all of the criteria for grading

486
00:47:21,008 --> 00:47:26,004
and drainage. If there are additional things around that, that the town would want

487
00:47:26,004 --> 00:47:29,084
to see, we'd be happy to provide those, but I don't think from a CDC perspective

488
00:47:29,084 --> 00:47:37,000
that we're out of compliance with how our drainage is proposed. Um, the engineer

489
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,036
that designed the drainage works in this region and does a lot of projects here.

490
00:47:42,045 --> 00:47:48,005
So I would assume he would be able to address Ice buildup and drainage in a way that's

491
00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:54,024
adequate. Um, I think the last thing I wanna touch on. Relates to the irrigation.

492
00:47:54,099 --> 00:48:00,005
And I wanna just remind everybody that when this gets regraded, it's gonna have to

493
00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:07,007
be revegetated and the town requires. At least temporary irrigation for I think 2

494
00:48:07,007 --> 00:48:14,000
years after you reestablish that vegetation. So The question is how is it gonna look

495
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,098
in 5 years, right? I understand that's the question. And I think

496
00:48:21,028 --> 00:48:28,092
Given the history of this site, given kind of the Maybe, maybe the differing opinions

497
00:48:28,092 --> 00:48:34,005
on how it should be used or what it's called. I think the goal for everybody is for

498
00:48:34,005 --> 00:48:39,073
this to be maintained as a field, but the question is who is maintaining the irrigation,

499
00:48:39,087 --> 00:48:43,069
who's doing it? If you guys want to put a condition that says we're gonna do those

500
00:48:43,071 --> 00:48:47,062
things and then Tulski can work with the town to figure out if there's some opportunity

501
00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:51,065
to work together to make it better, we could do that. I just want to recognize that

502
00:48:51,067 --> 00:48:54,098
like it's gonna be irrigated for 2 years, whether it's temporary or not because that's

503
00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:58,018
a requirement of the code. You have to establish the irrigation. You're not just,

504
00:48:58,023 --> 00:49:02,062
we're not just gonna be able to leave it as a dirt mound. Right, it has to be revedged.

505
00:49:02,096 --> 00:49:09,087
So I think we're OK with that concept of, of irrigation. Recognizing that ultimately

506
00:49:09,087 --> 00:49:12,095
I think Chelsea is gonna end up working with the town to figure out what's the best

507
00:49:12,095 --> 00:49:20,051
use of this space long term. Um, So Just really quickly, I want

508
00:49:20,051 --> 00:49:25,004
to. Just make sure I touched on all the staff's conditions.

509
00:49:29,054 --> 00:49:33,028
So the parking study signed by an engineer, not in draft. I just went over that,

510
00:49:33,034 --> 00:49:38,006
that's been emailed to staff. We're good on that piece, I think. Um, the document

511
00:49:38,006 --> 00:49:43,057
I just showed relates to the CMP and the wetland delineation, the document from Fisher

512
00:49:43,057 --> 00:49:47,061
and David. So I can provide that to staff. I don't believe they have that yet because

513
00:49:47,061 --> 00:49:52,068
I just received it, but we're OK with that condition, we believe it's been met. Um,

514
00:49:52,078 --> 00:49:57,005
I do think the software material was specified. It, it might have been skipped on

515
00:49:57,005 --> 00:50:01,091
the final plan set, but I believe it was specified in the, the initial review, and

516
00:50:01,091 --> 00:50:06,049
I do think Richard's on the call, the architect, so maybe maybe after I go through

517
00:50:06,049 --> 00:50:07,032
these conditions.

518
00:50:10,066 --> 00:50:14,057
But we can call that out in the building permit plan set if it's not been called

519
00:50:14,057 --> 00:50:19,081
out yet, we're good on that. Um, again, the, the gravel path was designed, I think

520
00:50:19,081 --> 00:50:25,097
with TS with, with town specifications and sta standards in mind. We want it to be

521
00:50:25,097 --> 00:50:30,029
a really nice path. We're good with that. Um, we'll work with the town to figure

522
00:50:30,029 --> 00:50:34,065
out which way to resolve this snow, snowmaking, or excuse me, the, the snow storage

523
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:40,091
issue. And then We believe that we're meeting the, um, the fire mitigation plan as

524
00:50:40,091 --> 00:50:44,075
shown, but we're happy to continue to work with the forester to make sure that carries

525
00:50:44,075 --> 00:50:48,059
through to building growth. So I think, I think that's everything. I'm happy to pause

526
00:50:48,059 --> 00:50:55,089
for questions, um, and thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Much appreciated.

527
00:50:56,038 --> 00:51:04,011
Uh, board questions for the applicant. I have a question Um, you,

528
00:51:04,038 --> 00:51:10,068
you do not show enough parking for ADA in this lot. You have 65 spaces. You need

529
00:51:10,007 --> 00:51:18,003
3. Um, parking for handicapped and the one, I mean, if it's delineated by

530
00:51:18,003 --> 00:51:26,002
those. Lines, the one between 41 and 42 is too narrow. You

531
00:51:26,002 --> 00:51:30,005
need, you know, there are certain specifications for the size required, so you need

532
00:51:30,005 --> 00:51:36,014
another space. You need one for every 25 spaces. Is there a way to switch back to

533
00:51:36,014 --> 00:51:41,007
my screen from the agenda? I don't know why I switched. Um, thank you. I, I appreciate

534
00:51:41,007 --> 00:51:47,054
that. I Maybe we can discuss this a little bit more. I, on this site plan that I'm

535
00:51:47,054 --> 00:51:51,086
looking at, it does show 3. 88 spaces and there may be.

536
00:51:54,036 --> 00:51:57,015
Let's get this fixed so I can pull, we can go through it cause this was the one that

537
00:51:57,015 --> 00:52:03,076
was in the packet for the. What I'm looking at. Yeah, maybe we, I could have specified

538
00:52:03,076 --> 00:52:10,086
there's 3 ADA spaces that are included in the total 65. So,

539
00:52:11,076 --> 00:52:12,015
There you go.

540
00:52:15,017 --> 00:52:22,023
Oh, OK. The one there is not very wide. And if you, if you look, we do push up against

541
00:52:22,025 --> 00:52:29,038
the building here slightly. Um, with this little walkway where it says 46, but

542
00:52:30,029 --> 00:52:34,027
Theoretically, if this is too small and you'd like to see this a little bigger, this

543
00:52:34,029 --> 00:52:37,025
could shift, you know, a foot. It looks like there's a little bit.

544
00:52:40,047 --> 00:52:43,074
Yeah, but we're happy if, if we're not meeting any kind of parking dimension for

545
00:52:43,074 --> 00:52:47,008
80. I think we have the space to do it.

546
00:52:49,073 --> 00:52:53,009
Great. Is there anything else? No. Scott.

547
00:52:56,022 --> 00:52:56,006
David

548
00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:03,039
John, thanks, uh, very much for bringing this back before us. Um, I was looking at

549
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:09,078
your lighting plan and I was trying to, um, Understand a few aspects of it. Uh, as

550
00:53:09,078 --> 00:53:14,046
I looked at it, I was, I had the question, is your, are your balconies, uh, drip-through

551
00:53:14,046 --> 00:53:22,023
decking or are they a solid, a solid structure? The reason I ask is we have Can

552
00:53:22,023 --> 00:53:28,027
lights proposed on those uh 2nd and 3rd levels. You, we call them out at 10 ft. Um,

553
00:53:28,004 --> 00:53:32,083
on the 3rd level, it looks like you do have some vaulted ceilings. So, I think we

554
00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:38,094
may be getting If we're looking at the elevation, you know, I'm not sure that you're

555
00:53:38,094 --> 00:53:44,056
still maintaining that 10 ft. Um, because you have that sloped roof element, you're,

556
00:53:44,068 --> 00:53:50,019
you're saying that this soffit lighting under the 312 dimension could be out of compliance

557
00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:54,074
because of the could be, yeah, exactly, I'm wondering. And I was wondering if they're

558
00:53:54,074 --> 00:53:59,017
also, if they're being constructed as drip-through. Typically for cost-effective

559
00:53:59,017 --> 00:54:05,062
approach, they might be that as opposed to a um waterproof decking system. You know,

560
00:54:05,071 --> 00:54:09,062
I honestly don't know the answer to the second question. Richard is on the call.

561
00:54:09,067 --> 00:54:12,007
He might be able to answer that. The architect, I don't know if he wants to. Richard,

562
00:54:12,075 --> 00:54:18,046
do you want to chime in and see? Yeah, I can, I can chime in. Thank you. Um, these

563
00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:24,043
were not designed to be dripped through, um, for purposes of dripping from one patio

564
00:54:24,043 --> 00:54:31,035
down to the next, uh, so they would have some type of drainage off, um. The edge

565
00:54:31,035 --> 00:54:36,091
of the drip edge of the of the balconies and then John about your comment about the

566
00:54:36,091 --> 00:54:39,055
facial material that was that's called out on the roof plan.

567
00:54:41,068 --> 00:54:42,002
The sofa

568
00:54:45,057 --> 00:54:49,052
Right, but there's a comment about the fascia material, I believe, that's called

569
00:54:49,052 --> 00:54:54,073
out on the roof plane. OK, do you know what the software material is? Oh, soften

570
00:54:54,073 --> 00:55:00,095
material, yeah, it's the um same hardy board. OK, perfect. I have to go back and

571
00:55:00,095 --> 00:55:05,029
look at it. I have to go back and look, we either call the hardy border or tongue

572
00:55:05,029 --> 00:55:13,001
and groove. Um, Richard, when you get onto your L3 level with that, uh, roof

573
00:55:13,001 --> 00:55:18,045
structure becoming your soffit, um, your lighting will no longer be at a 10-foot

574
00:55:18,045 --> 00:55:23,009
elevation. Do you know what elevation that would be at? And, uh, part two of my question

575
00:55:23,009 --> 00:55:30,025
is, is there a reason why we, or could we consider, um, wall sconces on these decks

576
00:55:30,025 --> 00:55:35,095
just to Minimize the elevation of that light fixture so that from a public right

577
00:55:35,095 --> 00:55:41,063
away you're not looking up at a light fixture while it's being set back and recessed

578
00:55:41,063 --> 00:55:46,083
into the structure a little bit more. The angle repose may may cut off that direct

579
00:55:46,083 --> 00:55:51,021
view. Before he answers that question, a point of clarification, David, this application

580
00:55:51,021 --> 00:55:56,064
was received prior to the new lighting ordinance, and so we do not currently have

581
00:55:56,008 --> 00:56:02,099
a restriction on heights for soffit lighting. But I, I will say though that like.

582
00:56:04,005 --> 00:56:10,013
OK, we're not. Intrinsically opposed to not having soffit lighting, right? Like the

583
00:56:10,013 --> 00:56:14,021
point of us not wanting to change it mid-design review was because it was gonna take

584
00:56:14,021 --> 00:56:17,097
a lot of time to change it, but we're gonna have a little bit of time between this

585
00:56:17,097 --> 00:56:21,001
and building permit. And if you guys don't want to see, especially on that third

586
00:56:21,001 --> 00:56:25,079
level, soffit lighting, That's not a big change and we're fine accommodating you

587
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,083
even if we are grandfathered under the time that we submitted the document. It was

588
00:56:29,083 --> 00:56:33,071
purely like a timing issue for us and to go through and revise the whole lighting

589
00:56:33,071 --> 00:56:38,078
plan while we're trying to also revise other pieces was too much. All right. Thanks

590
00:56:38,078 --> 00:56:43,027
for that clarification, John. That's all I have. Appreciate it. It's a great career

591
00:56:43,027 --> 00:56:43,085
or anything?

592
00:56:45,095 --> 00:56:52,002
Ellen, sorry, Toby. No, no questions. Dan

593
00:56:56,012 --> 00:57:03,088
Not a OK, unfortunately, I do. Uh, and this is, uh, back to the

594
00:57:03,088 --> 00:57:10,057
water. So in the courtyard area, you have gutters and down spouts. Which means there's

595
00:57:10,057 --> 00:57:17,006
a fair amount of water coming down the downspouts, and that's just going where? Richard,

596
00:57:17,069 --> 00:57:21,064
do you wanna, do you wanna speak on the, the drainage in the courtyard? I know you

597
00:57:21,064 --> 00:57:22,047
guys worked on that.

598
00:57:29,022 --> 00:57:34,001
Sorry, I couldn't get my mic unmuted. Um, John, we never actually did address that.

599
00:57:34,006 --> 00:57:39,053
I was taking it to the site and was hoping I was gonna get coordinated into the drainage

600
00:57:39,053 --> 00:57:47,005
and landscaping. We had, we had internally discussed. We had

601
00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:53,023
internally discussed either. Interior or exterior guttering, whether it's uh I'll

602
00:57:53,023 --> 00:57:57,059
jump in there. We definitely steered away from interior, um, drainage. It's all exterior,

603
00:57:57,008 --> 00:58:02,009
um, gutter and down spouts just where it when it hits the site, um. I don't believe

604
00:58:02,009 --> 00:58:09,048
has been Completely figured out, yeah. We had discussed, we had talked about this

605
00:58:09,048 --> 00:58:14,037
with our landscape architect. I'm gonna switch back over to the site plan. Um, and

606
00:58:14,037 --> 00:58:19,032
initially when we had been planning this with the landscaper, these are going to

607
00:58:19,032 --> 00:58:23,096
be landscaped boxes and so really the goal was like how can we take some of the water

608
00:58:23,096 --> 00:58:28,088
coming out of these drains and put them into these spaces. And so I still believe

609
00:58:28,088 --> 00:58:33,093
that is the intent. Um, rather than having to irrigate and do these things, do these

610
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:39,088
as more of like stormwater capture, natural planter boxes with native plantings.

611
00:58:40,015 --> 00:58:44,093
Um, and so if that's something that we're still kind of hung up on, it sounds like

612
00:58:44,093 --> 00:58:49,021
we have to figure it out internally as well. We're fine with that being an added

613
00:58:49,021 --> 00:58:53,084
condition that it gets resolved for building permit. It's not a problem. Thanks,

614
00:58:54,003 --> 00:59:01,042
uh. And the uh irrigation and the the play area open space if you will. I appreciate

615
00:59:01,042 --> 00:59:08,008
that 2 years is required. But I'd like to hope that we have a little bit longer vision

616
00:59:08,008 --> 00:59:14,075
than 2 years about community use and everything so we can condition it that you.

617
00:59:16,017 --> 00:59:20,055
However you do it with what other entities can preserve that, that would be great.

618
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:26,036
We don't have an issue with that either. OK. Uh, then on the trash, which by the

619
00:59:26,036 --> 00:59:33,023
way, I, I liked your studies on trash and parking, by the way. Good, um, but it was

620
00:59:33,023 --> 00:59:39,069
referenced to TSG will, if it needs removed more often, can accommodate that. That's

621
00:59:39,069 --> 00:59:43,095
strictly a TSG. It's just the management. It's like any other complex. If you look

622
00:59:43,095 --> 00:59:47,074
around the mountain village, certain complex, especially ones that you see a lot

623
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:54,002
of Airbnbs. Um, I served on HOA boards for a number of different buildings around

624
00:59:54,002 --> 00:59:58,006
here, and each trash management plan is different in terms of the frequency. So when

625
00:59:58,006 --> 01:00:02,002
you have a lot of units that are turning over a lot and a lot of short-term guests,

626
01:00:02,029 --> 01:00:05,076
you tend to produce a lot more trash, and those buildings are seeing 3 pickups a

627
01:00:05,076 --> 01:00:10,007
week. Yeah, so it's really we'll, we'll manage it, but obviously if we need more

628
01:00:10,072 --> 01:00:18,068
trash pickups then we we all love HOAs. That's good. Um Like

629
01:00:18,068 --> 01:00:22,075
I said, I really appreciate the car, the, uh, the parking study and the car count.

630
01:00:23,009 --> 01:00:27,044
I did have one question when you went out and car counted cars. What time of year

631
01:00:27,044 --> 01:00:32,012
was that? It was, let me look, I actually have the email. I can, um, I can tell you

632
01:00:32,012 --> 01:00:37,019
when we did it thereabouts, well, just so it wasn't offseason. No, it was, it was,

633
01:00:37,021 --> 01:00:45,015
um, counts to him on August 15th. So we did it on the 14th,

634
01:00:45,053 --> 01:00:52,078
the 13th, and the 12th. OK, great, of August. OK, good deal. Um, those are included

635
01:00:52,078 --> 01:00:56,038
in the memo, by the way, the parking memo, and they were taken in the record.

636
01:00:59,048 --> 01:01:06,076
Yeah, no, that makes good sense. Uh, I'm glad you're willing to pave that one pathway.

637
01:01:06,089 --> 01:01:10,036
I think it'd be great if you would pave both pathways. I was sitting here with a

638
01:01:10,036 --> 01:01:16,074
little. Disconnect strollers on a gravel pathway and going like. We have to specify

639
01:01:16,074 --> 01:01:23,063
the size of the wheels on the strollers or what kind of gravel's in there. Uh, it

640
01:01:23,063 --> 01:01:29,019
seems to me it'd be great if both of those could be paved. I, I appreciate there's

641
01:01:29,019 --> 01:01:33,027
an expense, but expense isn't our issue. Yeah, no, I, I totally understand that's

642
01:01:33,027 --> 01:01:37,086
not in your guys' purview. I think, um. You know, our goal, again, our goal was to

643
01:01:37,086 --> 01:01:42,053
build something that didn't, that wasn't too steep and that was surfaced in a way

644
01:01:42,053 --> 01:01:45,042
where you could, I mean, you, you see the strollers that people have around here.

645
01:01:45,054 --> 01:01:50,089
They're, they're like the off-roads. They have to build. Yeah, so I, it was planned

646
01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:54,065
for crusher finds. I think like really what we're talking about, whether it's irrigation

647
01:01:54,065 --> 01:01:59,038
or the connection path or the signage for the park or the amenities of the park,

648
01:01:59,094 --> 01:02:04,032
it's, it's still, we're still like trying to negotiate. I'm just being frank with

649
01:02:04,032 --> 01:02:09,044
you guys of like how this park is going to be used, what is it gonna look like, what

650
01:02:09,044 --> 01:02:14,023
are the amenities in the park going to be? And I think there is opportunity to work

651
01:02:14,025 --> 01:02:19,081
together with the town and with TMVOA. They've told Telski that. What it looks like

652
01:02:19,081 --> 01:02:24,041
right now, I'm not sure. I, I think it would be hard for me to say, thanks, I can

653
01:02:24,041 --> 01:02:29,065
commit 100% to paving this access path coming up when there's already the paved connection.

654
01:02:30,006 --> 01:02:34,094
People, if they wanted to walk on a paved surface, especially with this new condition,

655
01:02:35,034 --> 01:02:39,057
would be able to walk the whole way on a paved surface to this part. So, it does

656
01:02:39,057 --> 01:02:43,049
seem like an extra expense, but we're not opposed to it, but we, we want to figure

657
01:02:43,049 --> 01:02:48,058
out the best way, I think, to work with council. And the town, the, you know, the

658
01:02:48,058 --> 01:02:53,089
town in general and TMBOA on what works best for the space. I appreciate it. Thanks,

659
01:02:54,001 --> 01:02:59,083
thank you, John. Uh, if there's no other questions from the board, I'd like to open

660
01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:05,007
this up to public comment. We have received public comment in our packets, which

661
01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:10,026
were distributed. Uh, a lot of it very, very thoughtful. Uh, so if anybody would

662
01:03:10,026 --> 01:03:14,026
like to make public comment, the microphone is yours. Uh, keep in mind there will

663
01:03:14,026 --> 01:03:17,041
be a time limit, which I know is tough.

664
01:03:20,002 --> 01:03:25,002
So when the thing starts beeping. You're done. So.

665
01:03:29,035 --> 01:03:32,007
Thanks. Um, I'll try and keep this brief. Um, I've been taking notes, so it's gonna

666
01:03:32,007 --> 01:03:37,038
be a little bit jumbled. Um, I have two related concerns about this architectural

667
01:03:37,038 --> 01:03:42,063
review. The first is the public comment record. So, you guys saw on May 2nd some

668
01:03:42,063 --> 01:03:47,031
public comment during the rezoning and density transfer. That public comment was

669
01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:52,038
not carried into this architectural application, and a lot of it was relevant to

670
01:03:52,038 --> 01:03:56,005
the application, so it's kind of been forgotten. It's included in this packet now,

671
01:03:56,067 --> 01:04:00,027
but I think it may have affected your decisions for your, you know, for the initial.

672
01:04:00,072 --> 01:04:06,004
Um, I understand that these are separate applications, but typically, in my experience

673
01:04:06,004 --> 01:04:10,023
as a town councilor and also as a DRB member, they're all talked about at the same

674
01:04:10,029 --> 01:04:15,076
time, right? Because they're all relevant to each other. And again, that, that disjointedness

675
01:04:15,076 --> 01:04:20,024
may have changed. How you approved your, your initial architecture. The other thing

676
01:04:20,024 --> 01:04:23,092
I want to remind everybody is having to go back through the record, please speak

677
01:04:23,092 --> 01:04:28,032
into your microphones. I couldn't hear about a third of the recording, so it's really

678
01:04:28,032 --> 01:04:32,012
difficult for me to do research and, and sound like I know what I'm talking about

679
01:04:32,012 --> 01:04:37,045
here. Um, my second concern really is the winter shade and snow melt. I'm out in

680
01:04:37,045 --> 01:04:41,044
that area at 5 o'clock in the morning in the winter, in the summer, and a building

681
01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:46,003
of this size is gonna create issues with snow melt and ice on the road and on the

682
01:04:46,003 --> 01:04:51,073
pathways. Um, this is a 3-story building, 44 ft 9 inches high, located close to the

683
01:04:51,073 --> 01:04:58,087
road. Um, This isn't simply whether drainage is is proper. A sunny roof, snow bank,

684
01:04:59,002 --> 01:05:04,006
or heated surface can produce meltwater while pavement in the building's shadow remains

685
01:05:04,006 --> 01:05:08,078
cold. This creates ice. This creates slippery conditions. This creates dangerous

686
01:05:08,008 --> 01:05:14,038
position. Even Mountain Village's own regulations recognize snow and ice as safety

687
01:05:14,038 --> 01:05:18,098
issues and there's stuff in the, in the CDC about how to manage that. So I have three

688
01:05:18,098 --> 01:05:23,008
requests that I would appreciate to be considered or added as conditions. One, review

689
01:05:23,008 --> 01:05:29,008
the earlier public comment and see if that would affect your first initial decision.

690
01:05:29,045 --> 01:05:33,044
Ask the applicant to specifically evaluate the interaction between the building's

691
01:05:33,044 --> 01:05:38,052
winter shadows and snow melt freezing. On adjacent pedestrian and vehicular surfaces,

692
01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:43,081
not simply whether the site drains properly. 3, consider whether deed restricted

693
01:05:43,081 --> 01:05:48,041
workforce housing is receiving a different standard of review for building mass,

694
01:05:48,057 --> 01:05:54,059
scale, pedestrian impacts, and winter safety. Um, I understand that this is deed

695
01:05:54,059 --> 01:05:58,000
restricted workforce housing and I do support it. I was on the council when this

696
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,064
was voted on and I, I, I, I agree with it, but what I think we need to separate density

697
01:06:02,064 --> 01:06:08,004
and affordability incentives from design and safety incentives. If this were a private

698
01:06:08,004 --> 01:06:15,003
residence, I believe the DRB would look. Very carefully at a 3 story 44 ft building

699
01:06:15,021 --> 01:06:19,068
this close to a neighborhood road. So my question is whether deed restrictions should

700
01:06:19,068 --> 01:06:24,048
result in a lower standard for mass scale pedestrian impacts, drainage, snow, and

701
01:06:24,048 --> 01:06:29,007
ice safety. I don't think those are affordability issues. I think those are design

702
01:06:29,007 --> 01:06:35,049
review issues. Thanks. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Other public comment please.

703
01:06:37,081 --> 01:06:43,002
That would be you right now. What's that? That's you right now. OK. Um, can we put

704
01:06:43,002 --> 01:06:47,097
up the um The drawing that has the green around it, please.

705
01:06:55,005 --> 01:06:58,005
I don't see it up there, so. This one?

706
01:07:00,065 --> 01:07:08,041
OK. You're welcome. Um, OK. Um, I'm still

707
01:07:08,056 --> 01:07:13,099
Jonathan Greenspan, 103 Spring Creek. I am in the Meadows. So, I have, um, a lot

708
01:07:13,099 --> 01:07:19,023
of concerns about this driving past it every time I leave or come to the Meadows.

709
01:07:19,032 --> 01:07:24,003
So, I am a resident down there. Johnny, I know how difficult it is to draw something

710
01:07:24,003 --> 01:07:31,046
nice and fit in when you have a difficult client. OK? So, um, nevertheless, I am

711
01:07:31,048 --> 01:07:37,049
very much stuck on the fact that I would rather see this building turned so it's

712
01:07:37,049 --> 01:07:43,012
parallel with the existing building and actually have 4 to 6 more units inside of

713
01:07:43,012 --> 01:07:50,008
it and because of the quality of the uh impact on the open space is not a

714
01:07:50,008 --> 01:07:56,006
public benefit and I'm gonna get to that in a second here. Um, but you don't really

715
01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:02,042
want people walking by your window. How many of you like people walking by your window

716
01:08:02,071 --> 01:08:06,009
as you're trying to get to another location? There's nobody in this room that likes

717
01:08:06,009 --> 01:08:12,062
that. Furthermore, they're gonna think it's a trespasser of some sort or worse, OK?

718
01:08:13,024 --> 01:08:17,027
The trees that are right there along the boulevard and the sidewalk, they're all

719
01:08:17,027 --> 01:08:23,035
gonna die. There's too much concrete in between the two zones for them to survive.

720
01:08:23,068 --> 01:08:29,023
All right, so the building, as far as vegetation goes, is gonna have to be backed

721
01:08:29,023 --> 01:08:36,053
up a little bit, OK, backed up towards, um. The um North Star side of things.

722
01:08:37,024 --> 01:08:42,019
Let's see here. I just got some hockey scores at the same time. Um, the, uh, affordable

723
01:08:42,019 --> 01:08:49,069
housing aspect of it is not a public benefit. It's benefiting one group and one group

724
01:08:49,069 --> 01:08:54,082
only. Let's, let's be honest. If that person takes multiple jobs, which a lot of

725
01:08:54,082 --> 01:09:01,003
people do, they take multiple jobs and they lose their job at Telski, they're gonna

726
01:09:01,003 --> 01:09:05,005
lose their housing. It doesn't matter where else they work, OK? That's not gonna

727
01:09:05,005 --> 01:09:08,046
happen here. You might as well put a revolving door in the front of this building

728
01:09:08,046 --> 01:09:13,078
because that's the way it works over there. Oops. Lastly, the, the park. Here is

729
01:09:13,078 --> 01:09:18,045
also not a public benefit because people are gonna be walking by. You don't have

730
01:09:18,047 --> 01:09:25,002
a ADA access with all due respect, ADA and pushing a buggy are similar. Not all of

731
01:09:25,002 --> 01:09:31,078
those units have big wheels out there. And lastly, there's a sign out there that

732
01:09:31,078 --> 01:09:38,002
says Welcome to Meadows. We invested a lot of money there to put that sign up. Where's

733
01:09:38,002 --> 01:09:44,084
it going? It's gonna have to be taken out. OK, so the irrigation plan, if nobody

734
01:09:44,094 --> 01:09:49,089
maintains it, it's not a park. Thank you very much. Thank you, much appreciated.

735
01:09:50,003 --> 01:09:56,024
Any other public comments? Do we have anybody online? OK. Uh, applicant, if you'd

736
01:09:56,024 --> 01:10:03,016
like to rebut it all, please feel free. I, I appreciate the comments, um.

737
01:10:05,007 --> 01:10:10,037
I think the reality is that through this process, this board, town council has asked

738
01:10:10,037 --> 01:10:15,023
a number of things from Tuskegee. You've seen the mass change. You've seen the scale

739
01:10:15,023 --> 01:10:20,055
change. You've seen the building be analyzed for different locations. We looked across

740
01:10:20,057 --> 01:10:25,036
the street. We did a sitewalk with town council after we surveyed the entire site

741
01:10:25,036 --> 01:10:29,064
for the corners of the buildings to see how it would feel in the location that it's

742
01:10:29,064 --> 01:10:30,006
in right now.

743
01:10:32,087 --> 01:10:37,077
What I have noticed is that the public comments have shifted from one issue to another,

744
01:10:37,083 --> 01:10:43,094
and each issue that we address, another issue comes up. Um, we do feel like we have

745
01:10:43,094 --> 01:10:47,004
met the requirements of the code, and we feel like we've done it in a way that's

746
01:10:47,004 --> 01:10:54,072
been, um, reiterative with the different bodies and the public, and we feel like

747
01:10:54,094 --> 01:11:00,066
the net result is going to We're gonna still have the space that people have used

748
01:11:00,096 --> 01:11:06,063
traditionally in the past to throw a football or do whatever. Um, so, respectfully,

749
01:11:06,072 --> 01:11:11,054
we do ask for your approval and we feel like the comments have been addressed through

750
01:11:11,054 --> 01:11:18,002
our submitted documents. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Uh, I'll close that section

751
01:11:18,022 --> 01:11:20,013
and I ask for board deliberation.

752
01:11:23,018 --> 01:11:27,067
Talk to each other, please. I'll start. Um, I, I feel like this project's had a lot

753
01:11:27,067 --> 01:11:33,013
of eyes on it and a lot of different, um, different types of eyes on it. Um, and

754
01:11:33,013 --> 01:11:37,045
I'm, I'm generally comfortable. I do think the irrigation thing is a big deal. I

755
01:11:37,045 --> 01:11:42,021
went down there today and I recognize that this building is gonna have a significant

756
01:11:42,021 --> 01:11:47,061
impact in the area and yet that the remaining open space there is pretty valuable

757
01:11:47,061 --> 01:11:52,053
one way or the other, uh, it's probably the last remaining open green space down

758
01:11:52,053 --> 01:11:57,056
there, so. Um, I think that it should be irrigated in perpetuity going forward, not

759
01:11:57,056 --> 01:12:01,008
just on a temporary basis, and that the property owner should be responsible for

760
01:12:01,008 --> 01:12:06,028
that, which is Telski. Um, and so I don't understand that conflict, but I don't know

761
01:12:06,028 --> 01:12:10,083
the history with the town stuff, but I would make that a condition in terms of the

762
01:12:10,085 --> 01:12:17,007
pathway to the east. I, I disagree with um. With banks on that, I mean if it's compacted

763
01:12:17,014 --> 01:12:23,000
to me it blends in better with the open space nature and the adjacency of the wetlands

764
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:28,093
than a hard scape going cutting through there, but I wouldn't die on that. So those

765
01:12:28,093 --> 01:12:32,065
are my two comments. Thanks. Hey, thanks.

766
01:12:37,043 --> 01:12:37,047
I

767
01:12:39,051 --> 01:12:46,084
Surgery with Jonathan, I think. I think it's limited, it's not a benefit to. Choir

768
01:12:47,011 --> 01:12:54,009
for Chelsky enclosed. Chelsea has, you know, an opportunity to invite him to.

769
01:12:56,031 --> 01:12:57,036
Housing shortage

770
01:13:00,093 --> 01:13:01,072
It's 32.

771
01:13:04,095 --> 01:13:12,054
Chair I've, I've, I found it a challenge to navigate and I can't imagine even having

772
01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:17,061
a stroller, you know, a, a portable stroller going on that gravel. I think you could,

773
01:13:17,091 --> 01:13:22,026
you could pave it tastefully and not make it look like extreme hardscape. I mean,

774
01:13:22,028 --> 01:13:27,005
not talking asphalt, maybe a, a green tint to the cement or something, but that's

775
01:13:27,005 --> 01:13:35,004
my, my thoughts there. Great. Thanks, Scott. Um, thank you for all the changes you've

776
01:13:35,004 --> 01:13:39,072
made. I think it's a good plan to definitely.

777
01:13:42,029 --> 01:13:42,098
Irrigation.

778
01:13:46,011 --> 01:13:52,057
OK, Cath, let me start over. I forgot to push the button, um. By the way, we did

779
01:13:52,057 --> 01:13:57,073
get new um audio, so that should help in future meetings. Doesn't?

780
01:14:00,075 --> 01:14:05,078
When they're not, um, thank you for all the changes that you've made in addressing

781
01:14:05,078 --> 01:14:11,075
items that we've just. Uh, prior meetings, um, I totally agree with Toby on, uh,

782
01:14:11,084 --> 01:14:18,009
revising the, um, irrigation plan for the, the park or field area that that needs

783
01:14:18,092 --> 01:14:26,032
to be, um, irrigated and a, an agreement with TSG and the town needs to. Uh, part

784
01:14:26,032 --> 01:14:32,064
of this, um, uh, condition of the approval for long-term maintenance of that park

785
01:14:32,064 --> 01:14:40,058
area. Um, the pathway on the, um, that north section, um, I've

786
01:14:40,058 --> 01:14:45,086
seen a lot of paths in, in town and different, even the uh new path along Mountain

787
01:14:45,086 --> 01:14:51,003
Village Boulevard, um, that's got a uh surface of like a crushed granite that seems

788
01:14:51,003 --> 01:14:57,046
to be pretty good even for um wheelchair and handicap access. So I think that should

789
01:14:57,046 --> 01:15:05,035
be. Um, used, uh, the soffits are OK. Like Banks was saying, I think that the

790
01:15:05,035 --> 01:15:11,033
drainage from the courtyard downspouts needs to be addressed. Um, and I think that

791
01:15:11,033 --> 01:15:18,047
could be dealt with, with With staff and definitely it's gonna be a part of the building

792
01:15:18,047 --> 01:15:26,004
permit. Um Other issues, you know, I I understand the

793
01:15:26,004 --> 01:15:32,004
uh challenges of the shade that's created and, and privacy and whatnot, but I think

794
01:15:32,004 --> 01:15:39,098
this is the Best location on this site for the um density that, that is allowed

795
01:15:39,098 --> 01:15:46,093
and, and from that uh citizens initiative makes sense. Um that's all I have for now.

796
01:15:47,007 --> 01:15:49,007
Thank you. All right, thank you, Scott, David.

797
01:15:52,024 --> 01:15:53,062
All right, share with us.

798
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:03,000
There you go. Um Appreciate everybody's uh working together to get a better product

799
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:10,068
down here um regarding the. Benefit of, of housing, you know, I think that regardless

800
01:16:10,068 --> 01:16:15,006
of the ownership, if we have employees in the region, they're gonna have impacts

801
01:16:15,006 --> 01:16:21,072
to the resources, whether it's owned and operated by Telski or if it's just a deed

802
01:16:21,072 --> 01:16:26,092
restricted unit that otherwise we still have a person to put into the housing piece

803
01:16:26,092 --> 01:16:34,004
and so to bring more housing to, to the community, I think is, is beneficial either

804
01:16:34,004 --> 01:16:41,001
which way you look at it. Um, I did wanna be sensitive about the relationship of

805
01:16:41,001 --> 01:16:48,076
the structure to Um, to the public right away, and I think that some good effort's

806
01:16:48,076 --> 01:16:54,002
been here. I do believe that, you know, vegetation is gonna grow here. We got not

807
01:16:54,002 --> 01:17:00,048
only the 16 ft GE well preserved on that elevation, we have the structure even offset

808
01:17:00,048 --> 01:17:06,016
even farther and just the same, that property does not, what the alignment of Adams

809
01:17:06,016 --> 01:17:12,075
Ranch Road, the Uh, walkway is not immediately adjacent to that property line, so

810
01:17:13,005 --> 01:17:17,004
I think we do have a fair bit of buffer, more, um, more than you initially would

811
01:17:17,004 --> 01:17:23,063
anticipate. Um, I would love to see the applicant reevaluate the, um,

812
01:17:25,008 --> 01:17:29,092
Socket lighting and maybe take a sconce approach because pulling them from the center

813
01:17:29,092 --> 01:17:36,019
of a of a deck. Um, and pulling them back to the face of the structure in that, in

814
01:17:36,003 --> 01:17:43,096
little alcove could reduce. The visible light from down on the sidewalks as you pass

815
01:17:43,096 --> 01:17:47,064
by when you drive down through. So I think there's some concessions that could be

816
01:17:47,064 --> 01:17:53,008
made and I appreciate their consideration on that. Um, I'm a big advocate of decomposed

817
01:17:53,008 --> 01:17:58,008
granite, uh, paths. I can't, I can't pass up not jumping on the path that it wasn't

818
01:17:58,008 --> 01:18:04,036
on my radar, but if everybody wants to talk about it, what's that, um. Well, when,

819
01:18:04,046 --> 01:18:09,033
when put in place, they do soften, soften the overall texture of the landscape and,

820
01:18:09,038 --> 01:18:15,034
and I think uh the flexible aspect of them, yet the density provides a good Use for

821
01:18:15,034 --> 01:18:21,036
the end user so um. I'm really much in favor of moving this forward. I think that

822
01:18:21,036 --> 01:18:28,035
we've had some good public comments and um But I think this strikes a, a fine balance

823
01:18:28,035 --> 01:18:35,094
between the needs and rights of the applicant and, and also the, the community at

824
01:18:35,094 --> 01:18:37,067
a large. So, thank you.

825
01:18:39,096 --> 01:18:47,063
Career if you would. OK, uh, I'm in agreement with most. What they said, I

826
01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:50,041
find myself agreeing, uh.

827
01:18:52,053 --> 01:18:59,087
I like the idea that the town wanted to preserve some trees. Whether that could actually

828
01:18:59,087 --> 01:19:06,011
happen after construction, I'm not sure, but even if it didn't, wouldn't it be great

829
01:19:06,021 --> 01:19:11,096
if trees were planted, if they didn't survive, so I just wanna throw that out there.

830
01:19:12,006 --> 01:19:19,039
That's always an issue with all properties we look at. Uh. The gravel

831
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:25,013
walkway. Actually, I like the idea of a gravel walkway, but there is no way you would

832
01:19:25,013 --> 01:19:31,024
push a stroller on that. I can verify that. I can't imagine how that would work.

833
01:19:31,043 --> 01:19:38,077
It looks attractive, I agree, but, uh, you know, as Liz said with the wheelchair,

834
01:19:38,009 --> 01:19:46,005
I mean, it, it might not work for every scenario. It's, there's kind of a, I think

835
01:19:46,005 --> 01:19:50,089
something needs to be looked at. Maybe you could take the gravel and pound it down

836
01:19:50,089 --> 01:19:56,094
so much that you could push something with wheels on it, so just something to think

837
01:19:56,094 --> 01:20:04,012
about. Um, I'm not sure, I, I realized this is a Telski property

838
01:20:04,005 --> 01:20:10,002
and I'd never thought about the fact that if somebody lost a job that was living

839
01:20:10,026 --> 01:20:17,077
there, Would they have to move out? I mean, I guess that, you know, I'm like,

840
01:20:18,015 --> 01:20:22,014
how does that work? I, I wanna remind you guys the town of Mountain Village has the

841
01:20:22,014 --> 01:20:26,034
same standard for their employees at Village Court Apartment. So you the people have

842
01:20:26,034 --> 01:20:34,006
to move out immediately. OK, well, it gives one pause. OK,

843
01:20:34,071 --> 01:20:41,014
uh, otherwise I'm comfortable with it. Uh, I like the materials. I'm glad to see

844
01:20:41,014 --> 01:20:48,074
that, um. And I can't, I'm not, there's nothing else with the lighting. I think comments

845
01:20:48,074 --> 01:20:55,088
by the board were good, so I'm in agreement with that and uh Uh, otherwise, anyway

846
01:20:55,088 --> 01:21:03,007
to increase trees or the greenery would be greatly appreciated by me anyway. Thanks,

847
01:21:03,017 --> 01:21:09,091
that's all. OK, Greer, thanks. Can we see our members online, please? As much as

848
01:21:09,091 --> 01:21:16,078
I love the agenda up there, can we see people? Here we go, Ellen. Share with us,

849
01:21:16,091 --> 01:21:18,066
please. You're muted on.

850
01:21:22,054 --> 01:21:29,045
You're still muted. How about now? That's good. OK, great, and everybody can hear

851
01:21:29,045 --> 01:21:37,018
me, yes. Um, so I agree that I'd like to see that field be irrigated, um,

852
01:21:37,072 --> 01:21:45,003
into the future, um, and I think that the, um, drainage issue in the interior courtyard

853
01:21:45,003 --> 01:21:51,015
is significant and should be a condition of approval with staff that they address

854
01:21:51,015 --> 01:21:57,071
that. They don't even draw gutters on, on their elevation, so I, I, I think that

855
01:21:57,071 --> 01:22:03,005
really needs to be addressed or it will become a problem. Um, I, I also agree with

856
01:22:03,005 --> 01:22:10,003
David about the sconces on the balconies versus, um, recess lighting, and one more

857
01:22:10,003 --> 01:22:14,091
thing that nobody's brought up, uh, I am in favor of them increasing the amount of

858
01:22:14,091 --> 01:22:22,068
stone to 35%. There are many places on this building where they can, um, go vertically,

859
01:22:23,036 --> 01:22:29,003
symmetrically about the courtyard on those two rock holes. Symmetrical pieces right

860
01:22:29,003 --> 01:22:34,074
against that or on any of the elevations, there is a symmetrical ability to add more

861
01:22:34,074 --> 01:22:39,024
stone, and I think it would actually be attractive on the building, so I'm in favor

862
01:22:39,024 --> 01:22:45,009
of adding more stone to increase and then meeting that percentage or getting much

863
01:22:45,009 --> 01:22:46,045
closer.

864
01:22:48,095 --> 01:22:55,008
And that's all I have. Great, I'm so glad you brought those things up, Jim.

865
01:22:57,035 --> 01:23:01,035
No, I, I support all the earlier comments, particularly Alan's last comments on the

866
01:23:01,035 --> 01:23:06,005
percent of stone. I think there should be more opportunity for that. I also want

867
01:23:06,005 --> 01:23:10,022
to come back to David's comment about we all need, I think we would all agree we

868
01:23:10,022 --> 01:23:17,096
need employee housing. And finally, the open space, I think there should be an agreement

869
01:23:17,096 --> 01:23:23,036
right now. I worry about just where all of us will be 2 years from now, not much

870
01:23:23,036 --> 01:23:29,068
less where Telski will be 2 years from now. And so, let's, let's agree it today,

871
01:23:29,089 --> 01:23:34,012
who's responsible for that irrigation and make sure it is irrigated and so the open

872
01:23:34,012 --> 01:23:40,079
space really functions as a. So thank you. Great. Thanks, Jim. Uh, my two cents,

873
01:23:40,093 --> 01:23:47,056
uh, I'll reiterate what Jim just said, uh. I do think that irrigation in that area

874
01:23:47,056 --> 01:23:53,055
is Really, really important. It's part of the Meadows community for sure, always

875
01:23:53,055 --> 01:23:59,045
has been, and I would make it a TSG responsibility if they can partner with people

876
01:23:59,045 --> 01:24:04,051
down the road. That's great, but I think our condition has to be that the responsibility

877
01:24:04,051 --> 01:24:11,023
is for TSG. It's not, oh, maybe if they can make a deal. Do you, are you looking

878
01:24:11,023 --> 01:24:16,091
for a suggestion? Uh, yeah, I would just suggest that irrigation of that opens. Fired

879
01:24:17,025 --> 01:24:21,096
and then it would put the onus on the applicant if they can get an agreement in place

880
01:24:21,096 --> 01:24:27,088
that that meets that um but if it's you know just keep it simple you can't you got

881
01:24:27,088 --> 01:24:33,032
the the the DRB can't really compel town council to agree to something I I I I appreciate

882
01:24:33,032 --> 01:24:37,096
that but uh since we get to talk to each other that's my public record comment if

883
01:24:37,096 --> 01:24:44,098
you will uh. And I'm thrilled that Ellen brought up the stone since you're not gonna

884
01:24:45,002 --> 01:24:52,058
pave that. Pathway now you can put that money into increasing the stone capacity

885
01:24:53,000 --> 01:25:00,069
and I do have I would have one. Request with that as well. The stone to me

886
01:25:01,037 --> 01:25:08,001
is more important along an Adams Ranch road to break up. The the mass of the building,

887
01:25:08,056 --> 01:25:13,059
uh, I think the courtyard on the other side already does that nicely, but if I could

888
01:25:13,059 --> 01:25:19,019
see once a couple of those elements on the branchway increased in stone, I think

889
01:25:19,019 --> 01:25:26,046
that would be great, uh, and I am absolutely in favor of conditioning. The lighting

890
01:25:26,052 --> 01:25:31,043
to get rid of the socket lighting and disconces, such as it.

891
01:25:33,051 --> 01:25:40,008
It's a community benefit driving down or looking across. Directive light when it's

892
01:25:40,008 --> 01:25:47,008
needed, not just on all the time. So, uh, that would be my other thing. Uh, and so

893
01:25:47,008 --> 01:25:54,081
that's uh And where I'd like to be with stuff. Mr. Chairman, before the motion, can

894
01:25:54,081 --> 01:25:59,073
I ask a clarifying question? Uh, do you guys wanna, you wanna see the full 35% stone,

895
01:25:59,078 --> 01:26:01,062
is that what I'm hearing? Or?

896
01:26:04,017 --> 01:26:09,092
You know, for me, forever wild, um, can I, can I offer a counterpoint to if you guys

897
01:26:09,092 --> 01:26:15,048
are interested, I mean, the, the base of the building is wrapped completely and to

898
01:26:15,048 --> 01:26:21,003
me that's where sort of stone makes sense and belongs and it comes out at 28%. I

899
01:26:21,003 --> 01:26:26,002
mean we could randomly have some stone creeping up somewhere and that sometimes to

900
01:26:26,002 --> 01:26:31,098
me that looks sort of like out of kilter with the foundational aspect of stone. So

901
01:26:32,064 --> 01:26:36,077
you were saying, you know, if they don't have to pave the eastern walkway they save

902
01:26:36,077 --> 01:26:44,049
some money. I'm like maybe they can, you know, save that 7% of. Put it toward, um,

903
01:26:44,067 --> 01:26:49,053
you know, a robust irrigation system for the open space. So I, I, I don't really

904
01:26:49,073 --> 01:26:54,094
care about the stone being just under, to me, it looks good the way they've drawn

905
01:26:54,094 --> 01:27:01,003
it and happens to come out at 28 28%, but that's just another point. But it's unfortunately

906
01:27:01,003 --> 01:27:06,073
I put my designer hat on. If I were an architect, I would grade more stone elements,

907
01:27:07,007 --> 01:27:10,074
quite frankly, so I'm, I'm OK. Like at the end of the day it's a little bit of stone.

908
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:14,026
It's not that I don't care about the percentage if, if, if you could go over, that's

909
01:27:14,026 --> 01:27:18,045
fine too. OK, we'll mess with it, right? We can. And I think, I, I think that going

910
01:27:18,045 --> 01:27:25,013
vertical on some of the face of that building will, will help to ground that building

911
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:30,061
more because when you just do a little like arbitrary line around the base, it, it

912
01:27:30,061 --> 01:27:36,044
doesn't always do what we intended to do. I, I agree with you, Ellen. I think given

913
01:27:36,046 --> 01:27:37,009
the, the roof form.

914
01:27:43,062 --> 01:27:47,041
The structure together vertical with the horizontal nature of the decks and the wind.

915
01:27:48,045 --> 01:27:52,094
Exactly. And I do believe there's already some vertical stone elements in the area.

916
01:27:53,098 --> 01:27:59,049
We can figure that out anyhow. Anything else anybody wants to, yeah, just to play

917
01:27:59,049 --> 01:28:05,024
devil's advocate instead of. Devil's advocate, uh, as opposed to talking about irrigation

918
01:28:05,024 --> 01:28:10,033
all the, all these days our droughts that we endure, you know, should, should we

919
01:28:10,033 --> 01:28:14,005
be thinking about artificial turf out there and look at the benefits that the school

920
01:28:14,005 --> 01:28:20,077
has where the extended usage, uh, comes out, but you remember what you remember what

921
01:28:20,077 --> 01:28:21,087
a fight that was,

922
01:28:24,005 --> 01:28:31,042
but, uh, anybody, anything else, uh, if not, I will ask. Somebody to formulate a

923
01:28:31,042 --> 01:28:37,037
motion, uh, if you'll accept help from the rest of the members. If I can make a small

924
01:28:37,037 --> 01:28:41,005
recommendation, if we are gonna ask for an increased stone, specify a percentage

925
01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:49,005
or a benchmark that they need to meet other than just increased stone, 35%, 35% if

926
01:28:49,007 --> 01:28:51,044
that's what you want, then that's what we'll do.

927
01:28:54,087 --> 01:28:55,034
Right.

928
01:29:02,034 --> 01:29:04,016
We're such an outspoken group.

929
01:29:07,006 --> 01:29:08,045
Can we have a motion, please?

930
01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:12,054
Thanks for

931
01:29:30,077 --> 01:29:36,007
Ellen, do you feel like making a motion? Sure, hold on, I just threw my paper on

932
01:29:36,007 --> 01:29:37,014
the floor already.

933
01:29:39,093 --> 01:29:41,013
I'm gonna step away. Thank you guys.

934
01:29:43,069 --> 01:29:50,009
OK. Uh, I moved to I move to approve the final architecture review for a new multi-family

935
01:29:50,009 --> 01:29:57,086
building consisting of 150 employee apartments located at Lot 640A 306 Adams Ranch

936
01:29:57,086 --> 01:30:02,026
Road based on the evidence provided within the staff report of record dated September

937
01:30:02,026 --> 01:30:10,005
21, 2026 with the following design variations and specific approvals. DRB

938
01:30:10,009 --> 01:30:17,068
specific approvals, 1, A, B, and C. Design variations, 1 and 2.

939
01:30:18,054 --> 01:30:25,046
With the addition and the condi the table 3, which is 1 through

940
01:30:26,034 --> 01:30:34,002
14, and with the additional conditions of uh increasing the stone percentage to

941
01:30:34,002 --> 01:30:41,095
meet our 35% requirement. And changing the recess lights to

942
01:30:41,095 --> 01:30:44,007
sconces on the balconies.

943
01:30:46,085 --> 01:30:54,052
Did I miss anything? Irrigation. On staff staff approval

944
01:30:54,077 --> 01:31:01,075
for the irrigation of, oh no, the irrigation, continued irrigation in what we're

945
01:31:01,075 --> 01:31:05,027
calling the park or the field, um.

946
01:31:07,051 --> 01:31:11,073
If we want to address the drainage issue, was that a recommended condition or no?

947
01:31:13,007 --> 01:31:19,083
And the Yeah, the drainage issue in the courtyard to be reviewed by staff.

948
01:31:22,005 --> 01:31:27,095
Great, thank you. Um, and wait, just one point of clarity with the design variations

949
01:31:27,095 --> 01:31:33,006
because you're requiring condition of the stone we can remove that design she specified

950
01:31:33,073 --> 01:31:36,025
she removed it, yeah, I did it. I removed that.

951
01:31:38,033 --> 01:31:43,071
I'll second that. Great. Uh, we have a second. Uh, any further discussion changes?

952
01:31:43,085 --> 01:31:48,071
I've, I've, uh, just to clarify because it felt a little garbled from, on the, on,

953
01:31:49,001 --> 01:31:55,085
on the, that the, that the, uh, that the applicant will ensure, um, you know.

954
01:31:57,029 --> 01:32:04,033
Um Permanent um irrigation of the open space areas, you know, of all the green space

955
01:32:04,033 --> 01:32:11,054
areas, not, yeah. Another clarification, um, for the

956
01:32:11,006 --> 01:32:17,000
sconces instead of the recessed lighting, are you talking about just the third floor

957
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,063
or all three floors? I would like to see all 3.

958
01:32:24,012 --> 01:32:30,002
Ellen Yes, agreed. All three. I said balconies, all of them, yes. And are you comfortable

959
01:32:30,002 --> 01:32:35,056
with Kobe's changes to the irrigation language? Uh, yes, if the rest of the board

960
01:32:35,056 --> 01:32:42,094
is. OK, great. Uh, with those changes, Toby, does your second stay in effect? Yes,

961
01:32:43,027 --> 01:32:50,004
great. Uh, with that, I'll ask for a vote. All in favor? Hi hi

962
01:32:51,032 --> 01:32:58,093
Mr. Austin represented I and Elena represented the as well. Motion carries. Thank

963
01:32:58,093 --> 01:33:03,028
you guys. And John, thank you. Appreciate it.

964
01:33:14,087 --> 01:33:20,057
Next agenda item. Consideration design review. This is final architectural review.

965
01:33:21,009 --> 01:33:28,068
For new multi-family units at Lot 726-R1100 Pennington Place pursuant to

966
01:33:28,068 --> 01:33:34,083
CDC Section 17.4.11. And can I ask the board, is there any

967
01:33:37,047 --> 01:33:43,000
Ex parte communication or conflict of interest. With this application

968
01:33:45,028 --> 01:33:46,009
Not great, thank you.

969
01:33:50,008 --> 01:33:54,027
And Daniel had to run to the restroom. We'll just give it 2 minutes. Daniel ran to

970
01:33:54,027 --> 01:33:57,013
the restroom. He'll be back here ahead of anybody else like to go.

971
01:34:03,001 --> 01:34:04,053
Yeah, that's probably good.

972
01:34:31,034 --> 01:34:31,099
With turf

973
01:35:01,008 --> 01:35:05,011
You have to do drainage and all that. You have to do some specific drainage and yeah.

974
01:35:10,016 --> 01:35:12,095
I'm sure you did. Yeah.

975
01:35:26,008 --> 01:35:26,045
Yeah.

976
01:35:31,025 --> 01:35:31,026
Oh.

977
01:35:37,062 --> 01:35:43,006
Thank you for putting up with our break. Much appreciated. Uh, and Daniel, if he

978
01:35:43,008 --> 01:35:45,047
will. Present please.

979
01:36:08,048 --> 01:36:15,017
All right. Is everybody ready? Looks like it. Thank you, Chair. This will be the

980
01:36:15,017 --> 01:36:22,006
final architecture review for lot 726R-1 TPD Pennington Place.

981
01:36:23,069 --> 01:36:29,096
The applicant is here, Chris Hawkins, um, for a proposed additional 4 multi-family

982
01:36:29,096 --> 01:36:36,056
condominiums on a lot with 6 existing condominiums for a total of 10 condominiums.

983
01:36:36,065 --> 01:36:43,047
Uh, the lot's 1.92 acres. The gross score footage of the proposed addition is 18,843.

984
01:36:44,024 --> 01:36:49,003
Um, this is located on Pennington Drive, adjacent to the golf course and other, um,

985
01:36:49,056 --> 01:36:54,075
single-family homes. So, it's uh been a minute since we talked about this one and

986
01:36:54,075 --> 01:36:58,084
there's some background on it, so I'll go through that quickly. Uh, so, as I mentioned,

987
01:36:58,088 --> 01:37:04,055
there's the existing Pendington lodge with 6 units inside. The proposal is for 3,

988
01:37:04,064 --> 01:37:09,039
uh, 3-level, 4 unit additional development that's separated from the existing lot.

989
01:37:10,012 --> 01:37:16,029
Um, in 2023 there was a subdivision or a, uh, platte supplement recorded with San

990
01:37:16,029 --> 01:37:21,079
Miguel County that subdivided a lot 789, and 10 as well as an LCE. However, it was

991
01:37:21,079 --> 01:37:28,021
not approved by Mountain Village, so that, sorry. That's a single family home at

992
01:37:28,021 --> 01:37:34,001
the end of Pennington. Oh, my apologies. Yeah, that's not the, uh, Pennington Lodge.

993
01:37:34,027 --> 01:37:38,008
OK, my, my apologies. I think it was hard to find a Pennington Lodge photo, so there's

994
01:37:38,008 --> 01:37:45,092
a, there's a mistake there anyway, um. It threw me off here. Let's see. Um, so,

995
01:37:45,094 --> 01:37:53,021
the condo is not valid, um, however, the, um, and the applicant will be required

996
01:37:53,021 --> 01:38:00,057
to, uh, submit a, uh, a, a condo map amendment subsequent to the approval of the

997
01:38:00,057 --> 01:38:05,081
initial review. Um, the DRB voted unanimously to approve the initial architecture

998
01:38:05,081 --> 01:38:13,035
and site review at the August 6th hearing. Uh OK. So, the existing conditions.

999
01:38:14,009 --> 01:38:19,002
Um, as you can see, there is the Pennington Lodge to the south, uh, and then Steve

1000
01:38:19,002 --> 01:38:23,052
Madden made slopes to the west and, uh, of the property line here, so it's kind of

1001
01:38:23,052 --> 01:38:25,031
a triangular shaped lot.

1002
01:38:28,053 --> 01:38:34,016
Um, the specific approvals that, uh, has not, the DRB specific approval for, for

1003
01:38:34,016 --> 01:38:40,032
the secondary curb cut is still in place, um, and they've secondary, uh, specific

1004
01:38:40,032 --> 01:38:44,052
approval for the lighting associated with the outdoor living space. Uh, we'll get

1005
01:38:44,052 --> 01:38:49,062
into the lighting slide later on in the presentation. Otherwise, their overall zoning,

1006
01:38:49,069 --> 01:38:54,084
um, hasn't changed, um, significantly. I believe there was some small changes to

1007
01:38:54,084 --> 01:39:00,006
the lot coverage. Um, they're still meeting their materials requirements and parking

1008
01:39:00,006 --> 01:39:00,089
requirements, etc.

1009
01:39:03,082 --> 01:39:11,019
Um, OK. So, This is a photo of the proposal

1010
01:39:11,057 --> 01:39:18,004
viewed from the north looking south um towards the existing lodge and showing in

1011
01:39:18,004 --> 01:39:24,018
context uh with the new proposal. Surrendering, I believe this is Same rendering

1012
01:39:24,024 --> 01:39:25,081
from the initial review.

1013
01:39:27,083 --> 01:39:35,008
Siteplane remains unchanged. Um, there was not a, um, we decided as part of, as

1014
01:39:35,008 --> 01:39:39,028
part of the initial review that a fire truck turnaround is not necessary. They updated

1015
01:39:39,028 --> 01:39:47,003
the It's very disorienting when I, when I cut out like that, sorry. Um, they, um,

1016
01:39:47,083 --> 01:39:52,005
updated the driveway plan to show, uh, turn movements and that sort of thing that

1017
01:39:52,005 --> 01:39:58,014
are in compliance. Um, as I mentioned, uh, there was a secondary curb cut approved

1018
01:39:58,014 --> 01:40:03,088
at the initial architecture inside. Um, because this is technically one development,

1019
01:40:04,005 --> 01:40:08,055
typically there's one curb cut per development for multi-family, however, because

1020
01:40:08,057 --> 01:40:15,009
this is a funky lot with a separate, separated development, this seems reasonable.

1021
01:40:17,006 --> 01:40:19,032
Elevations haven't changed.

1022
01:40:21,052 --> 01:40:26,035
Building form and materiality also remains the same. It's generally matching the

1023
01:40:26,035 --> 01:40:31,077
existing. Building, but obviously with an updated contemporary architectural form,

1024
01:40:32,013 --> 01:40:36,083
um, using some corrugated metal, standing same roof matching the existing building,

1025
01:40:37,013 --> 01:40:39,027
telluride, golden stone, etc.

1026
01:40:42,001 --> 01:40:46,007
Uh, the landscape and fire mitigation plan has been updated as part of the final

1027
01:40:46,007 --> 01:40:52,067
architecture review. This is a, uh, condition of approval of the initial review.

1028
01:40:53,005 --> 01:41:00,006
The updated plan is depicting 27 new trees, uh, along with 4 removed. Uh, the applicant,

1029
01:41:00,073 --> 01:41:06,075
uh, does show shrubs and grass in zone one, which is allowed as long as there's another

1030
01:41:06,075 --> 01:41:13,042
5 ft vegetation-free buffer zone outside of that. Um, zone, uh, those shrubs and,

1031
01:41:13,046 --> 01:41:19,046
um, grasses that appears to be in met. Um, the only area of concern that we have

1032
01:41:19,046 --> 01:41:25,041
is this little section here, uh, which is directly adjacent to the building. Uh,

1033
01:41:26,042 --> 01:41:31,075
another criteria of the exemption is that it's not planted directly beneath windows

1034
01:41:31,097 --> 01:41:37,073
or under vents, uh, or, or deck, um, or under decks. It wasn't immediately clear

1035
01:41:37,073 --> 01:41:42,053
from the elevations if there were any vents or windows directly adjacent to that.

1036
01:41:42,062 --> 01:41:48,021
So, just clarifying that small point, it's part of the, um, building permit, uh,

1037
01:41:48,058 --> 01:41:54,043
application is a condition of approval. Moving to the lighting plan, there are 4

1038
01:41:54,043 --> 01:42:00,007
fixture types and 77 total fixtures. Uh, the recess, there's recessed cans around

1039
01:42:00,007 --> 01:42:05,051
the front entry entries, step lights around the exterior of the building, um, it's

1040
01:42:05,051 --> 01:42:10,071
just the predominant fixture type. Uh, and then an LED strip light at the address

1041
01:42:10,071 --> 01:42:17,003
monument for illumination. All the fixtures need the code. Um, again, this does,

1042
01:42:17,044 --> 01:42:24,011
uh, have, uh, it would be under the previous, uh, lighting code, although any, um,

1043
01:42:24,083 --> 01:42:29,073
Certain, certain elements may have to be brought into compliance. Uh, however, I

1044
01:42:29,073 --> 01:42:36,054
believe all of the fixtures meet the current new code as well. Um, maybe the applicants

1045
01:42:36,054 --> 01:42:43,077
can specify on that. Um, the one, the one specific approval here is that the the

1046
01:42:43,077 --> 01:42:49,057
limited common element terrace and the unit 7 deck qualify as outdoor living space

1047
01:42:49,057 --> 01:42:54,061
because they have like an outdoor dining and some kitchen, uh, appliances. Therefore,

1048
01:42:54,066 --> 01:43:00,092
they would need a specific approval for the lighting. Um, one, maybe small clarification,

1049
01:43:01,001 --> 01:43:07,007
uh, about the, the, the outdoor deck is specified as a limited common element. Um,

1050
01:43:07,033 --> 01:43:12,011
typically we see limited common elements for individual units. However, in this case,

1051
01:43:12,013 --> 01:43:17,096
it's limited for the use of all four units, just want to clarify that. Um, so, it's

1052
01:43:17,096 --> 01:43:22,092
not a general common common element that would be for the use of the residents at

1053
01:43:22,092 --> 01:43:30,019
the existing complexes would be for the use of the Residents at these 4 units here.

1054
01:43:33,042 --> 01:43:41,019
OK. Uh, so with that in mind, um, uh, I recommend, the staff recommends approval

1055
01:43:41,021 --> 01:43:47,076
of the Uh, proposal with the specific approval for secondary curb cut and lighting

1056
01:43:47,076 --> 01:43:50,057
associated with outdoor living space. I'll take any questions.

1057
01:43:56,066 --> 01:44:02,062
Questions for staff. I just have one quick question. Um, I see you included the previous

1058
01:44:02,062 --> 01:44:08,038
some public comments and um by seeing this we haven't had any come in since that,

1059
01:44:08,064 --> 01:44:14,072
I think August 5th or something was the last one. No, we did not have any new public

1060
01:44:14,072 --> 01:44:15,037
comment. Right.

1061
01:44:20,045 --> 01:44:25,026
Do you have cut sheets for the lighting that we can look at? We'll present those

1062
01:44:25,033 --> 01:44:30,000
with ours. Yeah, I believe they're in the packet. Um, we don't usually print them

1063
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,096
out because they expand the packet by a lot, but they should be on the online, uh,

1064
01:44:34,001 --> 01:44:35,024
version. OK.

1065
01:44:37,034 --> 01:44:43,054
Can I ask, was there A driveway plan. I didn't see it. Yeah, again, it, it should

1066
01:44:43,054 --> 01:44:48,096
be in the packet and should be printed out as well, um. It's the same driveway plan

1067
01:44:48,096 --> 01:44:55,023
as the initial, um, they just added some of the training, uh, calculations. It's

1068
01:44:55,023 --> 01:44:59,095
part of the final architecture review just to clarify any access issues, but it is

1069
01:44:59,097 --> 01:45:06,011
in there. I had no access issues. I was my my question was materials. Materials for

1070
01:45:06,073 --> 01:45:14,033
like a retaining wall. There was a retaining wall indicated. Um, never saw anything

1071
01:45:14,039 --> 01:45:14,083
about it.

1072
01:45:17,059 --> 01:45:21,058
Believe, yeah, I believe it was specified as stone, but maybe the applicant can clarify.

1073
01:45:23,075 --> 01:45:30,028
What that retaining. All material is Says concrete retaining wall with guard rail

1074
01:45:30,063 --> 01:45:37,034
faced with DRB approved material, so that would be stone, right? So maybe we can

1075
01:45:37,056 --> 01:45:42,006
ask them to specify that rather than just saying DR me Daniel, I like pictures. I

1076
01:45:42,006 --> 01:45:49,054
don't pictures, so. OK. Uh, other questions for you for staff, please.

1077
01:45:51,094 --> 01:45:59,062
All good? Great, uh, well, if the applicant would introduce themselves and, uh, present,

1078
01:45:59,072 --> 01:46:03,078
please. Sure, sorry, Zoom disappeared.

1079
01:46:06,096 --> 01:46:09,055
Hi, uh, Chris Hawkins with Alpine Planning.

1080
01:46:13,084 --> 01:46:15,032
Shane Jordan, Jordan Architects.

1081
01:46:18,017 --> 01:46:20,017
Katie Sapp and wedding design.

1082
01:46:22,027 --> 01:46:28,027
Laura Jordan, Jordan Architects. And Natalie Petty John Planterra Landscape architecture

1083
01:46:28,027 --> 01:46:28,058
online.

1084
01:46:33,011 --> 01:46:35,009
I got bumped out of the meeting, so I'm rejoining.

1085
01:46:38,028 --> 01:46:42,011
While he's reconnecting, I just wanna give a big thank you to Katie for doing a really

1086
01:46:42,011 --> 01:46:46,007
thorough review. And she made some really great suggestions that we did incorporate

1087
01:46:46,007 --> 01:46:51,062
into the final, um, and I'll go over those later today. Daniel, can you let me in

1088
01:46:51,062 --> 01:46:59,062
the meeting please? Um, to answer your question, is the stone face wall. Um, I also

1089
01:46:59,062 --> 01:47:02,047
just wanted to clarify, let me share my screen.

1090
01:47:06,018 --> 01:47:06,041
A

1091
01:47:14,051 --> 01:47:17,027
Um, just a point of clarification on the

1092
01:47:19,051 --> 01:47:21,086
The new Colorado Wildfire Resiliency Code.

1093
01:47:25,075 --> 01:47:32,019
But, um, and it is encroaching into the G. Um, quite frankly, the code should be

1094
01:47:32,019 --> 01:47:35,079
amended to just allow those by right, so you're not having to ask for an encroachment

1095
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:41,067
every time. We, we, we do, OK, yeah, so there's, there is an exception for fire,

1096
01:47:41,084 --> 01:47:45,075
uh, hard escape for fire mitigation, and that's why we didn't call it out as something

1097
01:47:45,075 --> 01:47:49,099
that I just wanted to make clear, thank you for that clarification, um, with that,

1098
01:47:50,008 --> 01:47:52,063
um, the main, our main presentation is.

1099
01:47:55,008 --> 01:48:02,046
Um, first up is landscaping and Online if you wanna hop on. Wonderful. Thank you

1100
01:48:02,046 --> 01:48:07,066
guys um for your time today. Um, so just uh from a design perspective, a quick recap

1101
01:48:07,066 --> 01:48:13,007
of what we're trying to do here, um, you know, most of this property, uh, is called

1102
01:48:13,007 --> 01:48:17,048
out as, you know, native seed mix that's, you know, clearly written out in your code.

1103
01:48:17,063 --> 01:48:22,057
It's a great mix, um, and so we wanted to use that at all of our revegetation areas

1104
01:48:22,082 --> 01:48:30,058
and bring that, um, in towards the. 5 ft um pardon zone buffer um and then use a

1105
01:48:30,058 --> 01:48:35,042
handful of tree clusters in that zone too to help soften that building elevation

1106
01:48:35,071 --> 01:48:42,001
um a good majority of those are single stem or multi-stem aspens um and then a few

1107
01:48:42,003 --> 01:48:47,001
key areas that we really wanna pull some focus to um and have a little bit more seasonality,

1108
01:48:47,031 --> 01:48:53,019
uh, are there's a crab apple, so slight different, um. Slight variation in the tree,

1109
01:48:53,051 --> 01:48:59,082
but both are approved on your um approved tree and shrub list. And Natalie, if you

1110
01:48:59,082 --> 01:49:04,046
introduce yourself for the record. Oh yes, absolutely. uh Natalie Pettijon, Plantera

1111
01:49:04,046 --> 01:49:11,072
Landscape architecture, um, phoning in online. Um, thank you for that. So, again,

1112
01:49:11,085 --> 01:49:16,009
we have the approved seed mix as our revegetation mix, bringing that closer to our

1113
01:49:16,009 --> 01:49:22,042
5 ft hardened zone. Um, using trees in the allowable clusters with the required 30

1114
01:49:22,042 --> 01:49:28,015
ft tree canopy distance, um, between those, uh, to make sure we're meeting that requirement

1115
01:49:28,051 --> 01:49:34,007
and then specific areas, you know, at the entry of this, um, and, and specific spaces

1116
01:49:34,007 --> 01:49:38,066
even just outside of the units that we want to soften those and make those a little

1117
01:49:38,066 --> 01:49:45,002
bit more special, bringing in. Um, some, some grasses that are either, uh, variety

1118
01:49:45,002 --> 01:49:50,064
adjacent to what is already approved or are on your approved list, um, and approved

1119
01:49:50,064 --> 01:49:56,056
list also includes Colorado Firewise, um, low flammability planting, and some handful

1120
01:49:56,056 --> 01:50:00,091
of native wildflowers, um, so we wanna just concentrate those a little bit closer

1121
01:50:00,091 --> 01:50:07,024
to some of your building entry and exit points, um. Nice visual here to show you,

1122
01:50:07,038 --> 01:50:13,084
um, again, trees and shrubs are all from your approved list. Um, any wildflowers

1123
01:50:13,086 --> 01:50:18,029
or grasses that you see here are from that Firewise plant list here. Uh, the goal

1124
01:50:18,029 --> 01:50:22,089
is that this feels really native and natural and blends into the surrounding neighborhood,

1125
01:50:23,006 --> 01:50:28,049
the surrounding landscape. Um, and then if you go back to that slide real quick.

1126
01:50:29,009 --> 01:50:34,099
At the bottom left there are two photos there that kind of show the difference of

1127
01:50:34,099 --> 01:50:40,005
what we're imagining that mode versus unmowed native grass space, um, you know, not

1128
01:50:40,052 --> 01:50:46,002
wanting to introduce an excessive amount of hardscape here, um, but give people an

1129
01:50:46,002 --> 01:50:50,018
opportunity to have some. Mode path that could potentially change over time depending

1130
01:50:50,018 --> 01:50:55,034
on where mowing happens and doesn't, um, and then using boulders, landscape boulders

1131
01:50:55,034 --> 01:51:00,093
to kind of punctuate that that 5 ft hardened zone, um, and also just provide some,

1132
01:51:00,095 --> 01:51:06,003
some nice verticality in the landscape around some of the planting. We're imagining

1133
01:51:06,003 --> 01:51:11,018
any of the plants that are in that 5 ft hardened zone are irrigated, um, you know,

1134
01:51:11,004 --> 01:51:15,043
you guys have great standards on what irrigation systems need to be like out here.

1135
01:51:15,072 --> 01:51:21,058
Um, I know that the, the vegetation zone needs to be irrigated for a year for establishments

1136
01:51:21,084 --> 01:51:26,015
and anything a little bit closer to the building, um, should be something that's

1137
01:51:26,015 --> 01:51:31,024
more. Permanently irrigated, keep things a little bit greener, um, and, and just

1138
01:51:31,024 --> 01:51:32,022
more established.

1139
01:51:38,037 --> 01:51:42,004
OK. Great. Now we'll move on to the exciting lighting discussion.

1140
01:51:49,023 --> 01:51:55,002
Um, just as a general overview, we wanted, um, the design intent was to meet the

1141
01:51:55,002 --> 01:52:00,098
code we're under, which is the one before the last revision, um, but also be able

1142
01:52:00,098 --> 01:52:07,074
to transition in 31 when we need to. Um, this is the lighting schedule. You'll notice

1143
01:52:07,074 --> 01:52:14,005
that the color temperature is 2700 Kelvin, so that meets the code, the The recess

1144
01:52:14,005 --> 01:52:21,009
slide, I wanted to point out that um It's a lower lumen level than you, it's much

1145
01:52:21,009 --> 01:52:26,089
lower than what you allow, but you'll see on the plans we wanted to at the entryways

1146
01:52:26,089 --> 01:52:32,089
is where we use these and a lot of them we use 2 and we wanted to just create a soft,

1147
01:52:33,001 --> 01:52:39,026
more even light. So that's why we went with a lower lumen output light so that we

1148
01:52:39,026 --> 01:52:45,098
could use 2 and create that aesthetic that we wanted. Um, the XM is a step light

1149
01:52:45,098 --> 01:52:47,097
that we're using. It's

1150
01:52:50,043 --> 01:52:55,069
This isn't quite very well. It's that one, yeah, and we're using that on the metal

1151
01:52:55,069 --> 01:53:03,069
surfaces and it's, um, it meets the lumen limit and then the other step light we're

1152
01:53:03,069 --> 01:53:11,056
using is actually a Uh It's a mounted in stone like, like

1153
01:53:11,056 --> 01:53:16,036
you see, and we're doing a couple, I'll expound on that, but it's meets the lumen

1154
01:53:16,036 --> 01:53:21,036
limit also. And then the other light is the address monument light.

1155
01:53:24,045 --> 01:53:30,081
Um, this, um, this is more about the hardscape masonry mounted step light, um.

1156
01:53:33,036 --> 01:53:39,043
The main thing I want to point out here is sometimes we're gonna mount it under the

1157
01:53:39,043 --> 01:53:45,051
cap, like you see here. Um, and sometimes we're mounting it just on the stone wall

1158
01:53:45,051 --> 01:53:53,019
like this one because the stone goes all the way up. Um Here, this picture

1159
01:53:53,038 --> 01:53:58,057
depicts it very well. These are, these are mounted under the cap. Ours are typically

1160
01:53:58,057 --> 01:54:03,066
at 26 inches. It kind of depends on, sometimes grade is moving away and it's a little

1161
01:54:03,066 --> 01:54:10,038
higher, but, and then on the other side of the stone wall, the point is how black

1162
01:54:10,038 --> 01:54:17,063
it is, how dark it is. And our detail on a lot of our decks, this one, this picture

1163
01:54:17,063 --> 01:54:24,013
demonstrates that really well. There's actually a railing above the cap and then

1164
01:54:24,013 --> 01:54:29,059
our light is below that on the inside. Of the decks.

1165
01:54:33,016 --> 01:54:34,003
OK. Um,

1166
01:54:36,012 --> 01:54:38,001
Let me just make sure everything.

1167
01:54:47,019 --> 01:54:53,001
OK. So then our plans, we show, um, I don't want to spend too much time on this because

1168
01:54:53,001 --> 01:54:57,083
I think we're going to hit it harder when we get to the photometrics page, but Each

1169
01:54:57,083 --> 01:55:03,085
entryway has a couple of recess cans, um, and then mostly step lights around the

1170
01:55:03,085 --> 01:55:10,051
perimeter and the garages and at some of the exterior doors, we have step lights.

1171
01:55:10,056 --> 01:55:17,041
This is the first level. And depending on the material, if it's stone, the step light

1172
01:55:17,041 --> 01:55:22,089
is the masonry mounted one, and then if it's metal, it's the XM which is just the

1173
01:55:22,089 --> 01:55:29,049
regular step light. And then we have the LCE on now we're on the 2nd level.

1174
01:55:32,006 --> 01:55:38,023
Asking for the variants for outdoor living. Um, and this is lit mostly with step

1175
01:55:38,023 --> 01:55:45,008
light, all with step lights. But it's just kind of a perimeter. Way of finding, you

1176
01:55:45,008 --> 01:55:46,095
know, safety kind of situation.

1177
01:55:50,004 --> 01:55:56,027
And then we have other decks on that level that are lit also with the interior step

1178
01:55:56,027 --> 01:56:04,026
light. And then this is the 3rd level and we have some It wasn't outlined

1179
01:56:04,026 --> 01:56:09,009
exactly on the um brief, but on this level, we also have some outdoor living areas,

1180
01:56:09,095 --> 01:56:17,085
realistically, cause there's Barbecue, hot tub situation. So there we have step

1181
01:56:17,085 --> 01:56:24,029
lights. We're, we're using step lights which The reason for that is also to, you

1182
01:56:24,029 --> 01:56:30,004
know, come 31, we wanna kind of be in line with. What you guys allow on upper levels,

1183
01:56:30,054 --> 01:56:36,024
but also create some wayfinding to, for the outdoor living areas and the hot tubs

1184
01:56:36,024 --> 01:56:41,007
and that sort of thing. And this is the elevations, um.

1185
01:56:44,003 --> 01:56:51,088
Here we have 8 and 77 is, so where you see the, I don't know, I think it's pretty

1186
01:56:51,094 --> 01:56:58,069
visible, but where you see the aqua. That is on the interior side of that deck. So,

1187
01:56:58,094 --> 01:57:04,033
on the other side of that stone is where that step light is. And out here on the

1188
01:57:04,033 --> 01:57:10,037
left where we have uh the 7 outdoor living area, those are also on the other side

1189
01:57:10,037 --> 01:57:18,034
of the stone. And then, Here we have, this is the, this is 10 which um the lower

1190
01:57:18,004 --> 01:57:24,019
ones that were the windows marked 4, those are on the inside of that terrace and

1191
01:57:24,019 --> 01:57:29,091
I want to point out something here, that's the 2nd level. But it's still below grade

1192
01:57:30,017 --> 01:57:35,089
where those shine at the door that comes out. And then at the sec at the 3rd level,

1193
01:57:36,049 --> 01:57:41,064
which looks like the 2nd on this elevation, those are on the Outdoor living area

1194
01:57:41,064 --> 01:57:42,052
of 8.

1195
01:57:44,089 --> 01:57:45,059
Um

1196
01:57:47,074 --> 01:57:49,004
And this is

1197
01:57:54,069 --> 01:58:02,022
Yeah, so then this is the um Well, that's, is that 10, Laura?

1198
01:58:02,084 --> 01:58:09,058
Yeah, 10. And so that'll be the upper level of 10. And then the LCE, which is the

1199
01:58:09,096 --> 01:58:17,022
sort of communal terrace, um, We have the stone, you know,

1200
01:58:17,035 --> 01:58:24,073
stone-mounted, um, Lights on the inside, but then from this view, the yellow

1201
01:58:24,075 --> 01:58:31,006
ones, you'll, um, those are facing the golf course, but, you know, there's gonna

1202
01:58:31,006 --> 01:58:35,046
be furniture and stuff in there too. But those are, you know, shining down, still

1203
01:58:35,046 --> 01:58:42,034
very shield, but those are step lights out there at that um terrace. And then over

1204
01:58:42,034 --> 01:58:49,033
on the far side here, um Well, I, I think we could explain it real quick.

1205
01:58:52,004 --> 01:58:59,086
And then on the far side, um, Again, in Aqua at some of the other units. Um, even

1206
01:58:59,088 --> 01:59:07,031
this door that comes out from the lower bedroom, um, of 8, there's a step light on

1207
01:59:07,031 --> 01:59:13,006
the other side of that stone, so you don't see it, but it's there. And then at the

1208
01:59:13,008 --> 01:59:19,009
7 deck out here where the 2 is. Those are on the inside. That's a metal, um.

1209
01:59:20,085 --> 01:59:25,008
railing wall. Um, so it's totally solid, but on the inside of that, we have our step

1210
01:59:25,008 --> 01:59:32,091
lights. That was the XM, um, designation. And then on the lower level

1211
01:59:33,012 --> 01:59:38,096
here, we, you can see those step lights, they're at the cap of that stone wall, but

1212
01:59:38,096 --> 01:59:44,063
they're outside of a door leading to the grave there. It, there's gonna be a little

1213
01:59:44,063 --> 01:59:51,089
step, but Probably. OK. Yeah. And this one

1214
01:59:51,089 --> 01:59:59,031
has um. Just the one at 7 on the side of that.

1215
02:00:00,024 --> 02:00:07,084
So that's another part of that uh outdoor living space. And then this one is um 7

1216
02:00:07,084 --> 02:00:14,044
and 8. The lower step lights outside the garage, that's an example of them mounted

1217
02:00:14,044 --> 02:00:22,041
on the stone wall. Um, as step lights just At the garages and then

1218
02:00:22,051 --> 02:00:26,002
at the upper decks on the inside in the aqua color.

1219
02:00:31,079 --> 02:00:39,026
That's just a And that's the LCE from the driveway. So at the communal, like storage

1220
02:00:39,026 --> 02:00:46,003
garage, we have them low and then On the inside of that stone wall from the driveway

1221
02:00:46,036 --> 02:00:48,035
where where we have the furniture and stuff.

1222
02:00:52,085 --> 02:00:54,001
And then, um

1223
02:00:56,009 --> 02:01:01,083
So this is uh 9 and 10 and um

1224
02:01:04,034 --> 02:01:08,097
We have them at the garages. This first garage at 9 is metal, so it gets the step

1225
02:01:08,097 --> 02:01:10,009
bites on the metal and then.

1226
02:01:12,015 --> 02:01:17,093
And these are, these step lights are also kind of to create a path to that public

1227
02:01:17,095 --> 02:01:25,073
area being LC. And um On the inside of this first little

1228
02:01:25,073 --> 02:01:32,053
door at 9, there's just a little terrace in there on the inside of that terrace,

1229
02:01:32,082 --> 02:01:37,037
and then at the upper level on the inside of that one outdoor, one of the outdoor

1230
02:01:37,037 --> 02:01:45,021
living areas. And then, um, at 10, there's one at that patio up

1231
02:01:45,021 --> 02:01:53,012
there. And then or deck I guess, and then the other deck at 10. I guess

1232
02:01:53,012 --> 02:01:59,002
one thing I should point out is the one place where some things are higher, the excess

1233
02:01:59,002 --> 02:02:04,044
at the bottom of the steps going up to the LCE we wanted to keep those at the cap,

1234
02:02:04,053 --> 02:02:09,083
so they're a little bit higher. Most of them are at 20%. 6 inches, but these specific

1235
02:02:09,085 --> 02:02:15,028
ones, we just kind of wanted to keep that look at the cap and also have a little

1236
02:02:15,028 --> 02:02:19,025
bit more of a pool of light there because also we have the door to the storage and

1237
02:02:19,025 --> 02:02:23,064
the beginning of the stairs, kind of something to lead people that direction.

1238
02:02:26,007 --> 02:02:30,085
And then, um, this is the address monument light. It's really quite shielded. It's

1239
02:02:30,085 --> 02:02:35,081
only gonna shine through. This is hard to model in the photometrics, but, um, it's

1240
02:02:35,081 --> 02:02:41,045
only gonna shine through the cutout numbers in the metal. And it does have, what's

1241
02:02:41,045 --> 02:02:47,076
not shown here is it does sit in an extrusion, which is something you guys like.

1242
02:02:47,092 --> 02:02:55,003
Um. And then on the next page we have the. The phototrics, um.

1243
02:02:56,036 --> 02:03:00,011
We have a couple of things going on here. One is it feels.

1244
02:03:02,056 --> 02:03:03,055
The one is or.

1245
02:03:05,069 --> 02:03:11,008
Um, one is that the, uh, at each light fixture we have the isometric lines that you

1246
02:03:11,008 --> 02:03:18,004
guys are used to. Um, the internal line that's red is where you're at the edge of

1247
02:03:18,004 --> 02:03:23,023
2 ft candles. The orange line is where you're at the edge of 1 ft candle, and then

1248
02:03:23,023 --> 02:03:29,005
the aqua line shows where we have a half foot candle. Um Then the other thing we

1249
02:03:29,005 --> 02:03:35,083
have going on. I, um, I've gone ahead and done, um,

1250
02:03:36,069 --> 02:03:43,000
Like an AGI lighting calculation, so that's every 3 ft, it's giving you what the

1251
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:49,000
light level is at that point. One thing to be aware of is, um, you know, I can't

1252
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:53,035
choose like where that lands. Sometimes it lands like right under a light and it's,

1253
02:03:53,073 --> 02:04:01,001
you know, gonna be nine-foot candles or something. Um If you want, like if there's

1254
02:04:01,001 --> 02:04:05,013
a particular area of concern or something like that, I could give you an average

1255
02:04:05,015 --> 02:04:10,001
of that area, let's say for a living space or something like that. But here, it's

1256
02:04:10,001 --> 02:04:17,003
just a point in a moment in time of how much light is reading on the ground.

1257
02:04:19,009 --> 02:04:26,013
Um, and then, so there at 9 at the entryway is an example of where we have, you know,

1258
02:04:26,062 --> 02:04:33,028
two recessed cans of the lowest lumen we could get to just kind of softly, evenly

1259
02:04:33,028 --> 02:04:39,021
light that area. At an entryway, you typically want 10 to 15-foot candles and we're

1260
02:04:39,021 --> 02:04:45,014
kind of landing at that mark um in some of those areas. I think at 9, we have like

1261
02:04:46,008 --> 02:04:53,099
Couple of spots that there's 13 or something. And then um same at 10. We're,

1262
02:04:54,017 --> 02:05:01,095
we're getting, you know, one spot right under reading about 12, um. And then um we

1263
02:05:01,095 --> 02:05:08,048
have also 2 at 8 and then we have a longer entryway at 7, so we kind of just wanted

1264
02:05:08,048 --> 02:05:15,066
that soft. Even lighting there. So we'd spread them out a bit. Um, that's the key

1265
02:05:15,066 --> 02:05:18,094
thing I think for that level, and then moving.

1266
02:05:21,053 --> 02:05:22,008
Yeah, yeah.

1267
02:05:25,007 --> 02:05:29,045
I'm gonna jump in really quick. I think you might have said this, but the big picture

1268
02:05:29,045 --> 02:05:35,009
concept here was we wanted to show the four entryways, nice, like safe. That's the

1269
02:05:35,009 --> 02:05:41,066
door I'm going to with a little bit of low lighting pathway to the LCE. Make sure

1270
02:05:41,066 --> 02:05:46,038
we can see our way through, but not a ton of bright light everywhere in this entry

1271
02:05:46,038 --> 02:05:54,001
level. Let's focus the book. Yeah. And around and for kind of general lighting around

1272
02:05:54,001 --> 02:05:54,083
the motor cord.

1273
02:05:59,042 --> 02:06:05,069
On the second level, um, I think the key thing is, you know, here's an example at

1274
02:06:05,069 --> 02:06:13,056
9 of the, of the exterior deck, um, Where we have two of the masonry mounted

1275
02:06:13,056 --> 02:06:20,027
step lights. Just general lighting out there, inviting safe lighting, but outside

1276
02:06:20,027 --> 02:06:26,067
of that, where you see the gray, those are all zeros. So you're getting 0 ft candles

1277
02:06:26,067 --> 02:06:33,051
outside of that deck. And that's true. For all the decks, whereas, um, and then like

1278
02:06:33,051 --> 02:06:41,034
over at 10, um, that's actually that below grade terrace, but again, um, those are

1279
02:06:41,034 --> 02:06:47,048
just pooling right inside that terrace. And the LC maybe we should look at that real

1280
02:06:47,009 --> 02:06:55,001
quick just to Um, showed, you know, in the middle of that terrace, we're at 0.1

1281
02:06:55,013 --> 02:07:01,014
and really important when we're at, when we get to that setback line, we're at At

1282
02:07:01,014 --> 02:07:07,002
a 10 of a foot candle. So we're meeting that. You know, we're not getting a lot of

1283
02:07:07,002 --> 02:07:12,044
light lead, but we're getting some good safe path lighting around that.

1284
02:07:19,074 --> 02:07:25,038
And then I guess um We should look at 7 since that was specified, but I think we

1285
02:07:25,038 --> 02:07:30,099
have other outdoor living areas where we need approval, but 7 was specified, um.

1286
02:07:31,068 --> 02:07:37,015
We just have the interior step lights um for the sort of outdoor living space and

1287
02:07:37,015 --> 02:07:44,093
path to the hot tub and then um the ones on the Um, top part are, uh, the XM

1288
02:07:45,017 --> 02:07:49,016
that are going in a metal railing as I showed on the elevation and then the other

1289
02:07:49,018 --> 02:07:50,021
ones are on the stone.

1290
02:07:52,097 --> 02:07:53,004
And I think

1291
02:08:00,012 --> 02:08:05,051
I mean this is kind of uh more of the same we're using those side mounted um step

1292
02:08:05,051 --> 02:08:13,022
lights at the stone and we are getting zeros outside of all those decks. Mhm. Except

1293
02:08:13,022 --> 02:08:16,059
for at 8, we have metal walls and those are the XM.

1294
02:08:18,062 --> 02:08:19,002
Um

1295
02:08:22,008 --> 02:08:26,055
So. It's just the upper level, same thing, it's already been repeated, so we're glad

1296
02:08:26,055 --> 02:08:29,019
to answer any questions you might have at this time. Thank you.

1297
02:08:43,073 --> 02:08:51,051
Any questions to the app? Yeah, that's what they just said. I had a I

1298
02:08:51,072 --> 02:08:53,003
have a question to be asking.

1299
02:08:55,073 --> 02:09:03,071
Uh, all of the live pictures, you're showing. Will they always be on at the same

1300
02:09:03,071 --> 02:09:11,006
time, all of them? Or is it variable? Yeah, a lot of what you saw will be controlled

1301
02:09:11,006 --> 02:09:19,001
inside each unit. Um, so in other words, if some units were empty, some

1302
02:09:19,001 --> 02:09:24,023
of that light would not be on. Is that what? OK, yeah, OK, thank you.

1303
02:09:26,048 --> 02:09:31,009
Um, Katie, I appreciate you taking the time to go over that pretty thoroughly. Um,

1304
02:09:31,004 --> 02:09:35,047
looking at the, I think when I fall back and I look at our regulations, it talks

1305
02:09:35,047 --> 02:09:41,042
about two-foot candles as a threshold, maximum average threshold on On an entry and

1306
02:09:41,042 --> 02:09:48,014
stairway. Um, and I appreciate you providing that clarification where the isoput

1307
02:09:48,016 --> 02:09:54,035
candle, uh, red circle represents a two-foot. Uh, we got a lot of those overlapping

1308
02:09:54,035 --> 02:10:01,008
and it seems like we got some elevated levels at Uh, particularly, uh, 7 where we

1309
02:10:01,008 --> 02:10:09,002
get some higher point, point, uh, calcs at 1513, 12. I mean, 7 seems

1310
02:10:09,002 --> 02:10:16,073
like it's gonna be fairly bright with those 4, Or luminaires um up

1311
02:10:16,073 --> 02:10:23,009
there. And I think by, you know, by and large, We do get a fair overlap on your 2-foot

1312
02:10:23,009 --> 02:10:29,081
ISO on both, all 4 of the units. I'm just wondering if there's a, a strategy that

1313
02:10:29,081 --> 02:10:30,046
can bring it.

1314
02:10:35,037 --> 02:10:40,084
Yeah, we could. I mean, I did look at using 3 recess camps, for example, at that

1315
02:10:40,084 --> 02:10:48,001
entryway, um. It was a little low, but I mean, and, and like I said, it had an

1316
02:10:48,001 --> 02:10:55,076
entryway where we wanted to like sort of Show people where the entryways were, we're

1317
02:10:55,076 --> 02:11:01,084
going for like 1510 to 15 ft candles. I think on your, on the pathway lighting, which

1318
02:11:01,084 --> 02:11:09,033
was more for like um Like a landscape kind of pathway. I think you guys said

1319
02:11:09,033 --> 02:11:17,025
average no more than 2 ft candles. But that, I feel like an entryway might not be

1320
02:11:18,019 --> 02:11:21,086
Under the pathway, but, uh, but I guess that's a question.

1321
02:11:25,044 --> 02:11:30,041
And they actually say exterior door shall be eliminated out of back. A minimum, well,

1322
02:11:30,005 --> 02:11:36,021
minimum 1 ft candle. Um, OK. Um, that's all I have.

1323
02:11:38,032 --> 02:11:39,028
Other questions do we have?

1324
02:11:42,075 --> 02:11:44,005
Jim, Ellen, all good.

1325
02:11:48,034 --> 02:11:54,082
Have you guys sprayed the thistle yet? It's come up. We haven't, but the neighbors

1326
02:11:54,082 --> 02:12:01,011
have requested it multiple times. And speaking of which, Uh, you know, you have to

1327
02:12:01,011 --> 02:12:08,046
have a special application to more than the 30%. Slope disruption, but this was man-made.

1328
02:12:08,071 --> 02:12:12,067
This was man-made. Can you give us a little history of how that got man-made?

1329
02:12:15,072 --> 02:12:22,027
Yeah, I, I wasn't here, but elaborate, please. Yeah, it was, it's, I mean, we're

1330
02:12:22,027 --> 02:12:24,071
associating it with the road grading cause it's on that side.

1331
02:12:27,039 --> 02:12:31,098
Going lower down to the cul-de-sac. So that's, you know, I wasn't here either, but,

1332
02:12:32,036 --> 02:12:35,047
you know, when you see those kind of cuts in the village, it's mostly attributable

1333
02:12:35,047 --> 02:12:37,007
to the roadway. Thanks.

1334
02:12:39,071 --> 02:12:45,054
Uh, were there any other questions for the? Uh, if not, I'll close this section.

1335
02:12:46,005 --> 02:12:49,097
Uh, we did definitely receive some public comment. Uh, a couple of those questions

1336
02:12:49,097 --> 02:12:56,084
have been addressed. Uh, I'm assuming you've seen those. Comments

1337
02:12:58,042 --> 02:13:02,009
We saw what was submitted at initial, but I haven't seen anything for final. OK.

1338
02:13:03,038 --> 02:13:08,092
I won't ask you to rebut then. We rebutted at the initial review meeting um on those

1339
02:13:08,092 --> 02:13:09,006
comments so.

1340
02:13:11,093 --> 02:13:14,036
Uh, with that, let's move on to board discussion.

1341
02:13:19,073 --> 02:13:24,037
I'll be happy to start. I think, uh, I think they've done an amazing job of marrying.

1342
02:13:25,027 --> 02:13:32,011
Uh, architecture that bridges both the, some of the existing palette as well as,

1343
02:13:32,052 --> 02:13:37,045
uh, introducing some new forms. So, pretty excited about what they're doing here.

1344
02:13:37,095 --> 02:13:45,064
Um, The only, the only thing I was really focusing on. Uh, looking at that,

1345
02:13:46,021 --> 02:13:51,098
what, what are we gonna see from afar? And that entrance to 7 is kind of the, the

1346
02:13:51,098 --> 02:13:57,013
one piece that seems to be exposed when you look, when you're looking up into there,

1347
02:13:57,017 --> 02:14:00,008
and I'm just wondering if we focus a little bit on that, but I thought the light

1348
02:14:00,008 --> 02:14:05,084
levels in all the other areas were really soft and subdued, even those public outdoor

1349
02:14:05,084 --> 02:14:11,077
areas. And so, I thought she did, they did an amazing job and very Good use of the

1350
02:14:11,077 --> 02:14:16,053
site. So I'd love to see this thing move forward and maybe they can just take a second

1351
02:14:16,053 --> 02:14:17,013
look at the.

1352
02:14:20,028 --> 02:14:27,002
Bright spot. I agree with that. I like how they. Take the materials, the original

1353
02:14:27,043 --> 02:14:33,095
lodge, modified them some, and I actually think the architectural forms actually

1354
02:14:33,095 --> 02:14:40,061
helped transition. The entry to Pennington Boulevard, and we have some pretty contemporary

1355
02:14:40,061 --> 02:14:45,096
houses at the entrance, and this helps, I think, blend things together nicely, so.

1356
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:47,002
I like it.

1357
02:14:49,067 --> 02:14:54,086
I like your point of blending. I think it, it, it fits nicely into the neighborhood

1358
02:14:54,086 --> 02:15:00,014
and it softens some of the other houses that are around. And I think, I think the

1359
02:15:00,014 --> 02:15:04,058
design, I like the design. I'm a little concerned about the number of lights. We've

1360
02:15:04,058 --> 02:15:11,074
got 77 for 4 units where we just approved 26 for 15 units. So even though there's

1361
02:15:11,074 --> 02:15:15,005
outdoor kitchens, I think we could maybe, well, they're not gonna turn them on all

1362
02:15:15,005 --> 02:15:20,062
the time either, but I'd like to see them softened. That that's less than 20 lights

1363
02:15:20,062 --> 02:15:21,068
per unit. Come on.

1364
02:15:24,071 --> 02:15:30,083
That I, I share with you on that. I, I took a hard look at that. And it's It's amazing

1365
02:15:30,083 --> 02:15:36,011
how low the the level of light is for the amount of fixtures that they put there.

1366
02:15:36,048 --> 02:15:42,001
So it's gonna be very even keel and kind of the outer like band of that even better

1367
02:15:42,016 --> 02:15:47,031
it's not even gonna be that glowing. So yeah, I agree with Liz. Uh, I was concerned

1368
02:15:47,031 --> 02:15:53,092
and that's why I asked about. With all the lights be on at the same time, which that

1369
02:15:53,092 --> 02:16:00,036
seemed a bit overpowering, but they won't all be on, but they're reasonably at a

1370
02:16:00,036 --> 02:16:07,054
low level, so it won't look like something large lit up. I like the structure.

1371
02:16:08,081 --> 02:16:14,078
I liked it the first time I saw it. I think it's well done. I think care has been

1372
02:16:14,008 --> 02:16:21,056
given to try to look at the lighting and not have it feel too overwhelming. And so

1373
02:16:21,056 --> 02:16:23,096
I appreciate that. Thanks.

1374
02:16:27,069 --> 02:16:30,006
Dan, Ellen, could you put the people back on the screen, please?

1375
02:16:32,072 --> 02:16:38,043
Sorry, what do you wanna see? Our our members, oh, that would be here we go.

1376
02:16:41,088 --> 02:16:48,002
Uh, any comments? And emotions. Um, I would, I would, I have one comment.

1377
02:16:49,091 --> 02:16:54,099
First of all, beautiful design, Shane. Thank you. We miss you on the board. And um

1378
02:16:55,075 --> 02:17:01,062
Unless we've changed our requirements, I, I heard them mention that the Address monument

1379
02:17:01,099 --> 02:17:08,000
was cut out and lit from behind and We still do not allow that. Is that correct,

1380
02:17:08,009 --> 02:17:09,008
or have we changed that in the new lighting?

1381
02:17:13,098 --> 02:17:21,049
Anybody? Katie, is that detail that the LED is down, down or is it behind? Yeah,

1382
02:17:21,062 --> 02:17:26,008
so it's downlit, not backlit, Ellen. OK, great. All right, I thought she said backlit.

1383
02:17:27,002 --> 02:17:32,069
All right, so that, yeah, that's all I have. Oh, wait, one other thing, I, I know

1384
02:17:32,069 --> 02:17:40,032
that everybody who lives on that street is In construction for so many years. I don't

1385
02:17:40,032 --> 02:17:46,056
know if there's any way to try to expedite this building, but if the contractor could

1386
02:17:47,005 --> 02:17:49,068
have a fire lit under him, that would be great.

1387
02:17:54,058 --> 02:18:02,052
Um, thank you, Shane and team. Um, great design. I really like it. Um, love the materials.

1388
02:18:02,009 --> 02:18:09,039
Uh, the biggest concern I have is lighting. Um, number one, number of fixtures, even

1389
02:18:09,042 --> 02:18:16,081
on the inside of the, uh, patios and decks, but especially in the LCE, uh, deck area

1390
02:18:16,081 --> 02:18:24,037
which is And walks out to it, um, and then the deck on 6, or sorry,

1391
02:18:24,007 --> 02:18:31,008
unit 7, and the entry on unit 7, especially because of the uh How visible it

1392
02:18:31,008 --> 02:18:37,052
is from the um from Pennington Place Drive. Um, I think that one could be reduced

1393
02:18:37,052 --> 02:18:43,012
to 3 easily and still have good lighting at the entrance. Otherwise, I think it's

1394
02:18:43,012 --> 02:18:46,007
good. Thank you. That's on unit 7.

1395
02:18:48,018 --> 02:18:50,061
Unit 7, is that? Yeah, OK.

1396
02:18:59,025 --> 02:19:02,027
Anybody else? I'd like to make a motion.

1397
02:19:06,068 --> 02:19:07,075
You guys are tough today.

1398
02:19:14,098 --> 02:19:15,079
Great, thank you.

1399
02:19:19,034 --> 02:19:26,013
I move to approve the final architecture review for multi-family development located

1400
02:19:26,013 --> 02:19:33,055
at lot 726R-1. Uh, TBD Pennington Place

1401
02:19:33,084 --> 02:19:39,019
based on the evidence provided within the staff report of record dated September

1402
02:19:39,019 --> 02:19:46,099
21, 2026 with the following specific approvals as listed, uh,

1403
02:19:47,008 --> 02:19:55,007
the secondary curb cut and the lighting associated with outdoor living spaces and

1404
02:19:55,007 --> 02:20:00,002
with the following conditions. 1 through 6.

1405
02:20:05,004 --> 02:20:12,053
Great. We have a motion. Is there a second? Second, uh, any discussion, any changes,

1406
02:20:12,062 --> 02:20:20,037
any, can I ask for the, um, outdoor lighting to, for unit 7 entry to be

1407
02:20:20,037 --> 02:20:27,063
reduced to 3? Um, fixtures and the LCE terrace to be reduced to

1408
02:20:28,078 --> 02:20:29,096
7 fixtures

1409
02:20:33,096 --> 02:20:41,055
We all have to agree to that. Well, I can, OK, OK, and amending the

1410
02:20:41,055 --> 02:20:49,015
motion, uh, as Scott has suggested. OK, and I'll second that. Any further

1411
02:20:49,015 --> 02:20:50,011
discussion about this.

1412
02:20:52,045 --> 02:21:00,018
No. Great. I'll ask your vote. All in favor. All right, bye. Both of our voters

1413
02:21:00,018 --> 02:21:05,086
online have assented as well. Much appreciated. Thank you guys. Thank you all. Great

1414
02:21:05,086 --> 02:21:09,036
looking, great looking project. Thank you.

1415
02:21:17,008 --> 02:21:23,043
OK, before lunch, our next Mhm What's that?

1416
02:21:25,075 --> 02:21:30,084
Quick break. 2 minute break. OK. You better run No.

1417
02:21:34,028 --> 02:21:35,061
Nothing like a little.

1418
02:21:40,004 --> 02:21:46,003
Such a big deal. We're gonna start the stopwatch for you. I will be.

1419
02:22:16,006 --> 02:22:21,051
And I'd like to next agenda item. This is a review and recommendation to town council

1420
02:22:22,022 --> 02:22:28,003
regarding the renewal of a conditional use permit for the Walk of Joy food trailer

1421
02:22:28,006 --> 02:22:35,079
on Lot OS-3-XRR-1 Conference Center Plaza. This is

1422
02:22:35,079 --> 02:22:42,054
pursuant to CDC Section 17.4.14. Uh, does anybody have any conflict of interest or

1423
02:22:42,054 --> 02:22:47,071
ex parte discussions? If not, let's proceed.

1424
02:22:54,004 --> 02:22:57,026
Thank you, Chair. I'm gonna go ahead and present this one as well on behalf of Elise

1425
02:22:57,026 --> 02:23:02,003
who's out, but she did present, prepare the memo and presentation. So, this is a

1426
02:23:02,003 --> 02:23:09,058
conditional use permit uh renewal for lot OS 3XRR-1 Conference Center Plaza

1427
02:23:09,095 --> 02:23:16,000
for the Walk of Joy Food Truck. Um, the applicant is Jason Smith of the Walk of Joy.

1428
02:23:16,046 --> 02:23:20,004
I think everybody's familiar with the location here in the Village Center. Um, it's

1429
02:23:20,004 --> 02:23:26,033
it's on Village Center open space. Um, it's a food truck which is already existing.

1430
02:23:26,042 --> 02:23:30,097
This would just be a renewal of the existing conditional use permit. Um, and it's

1431
02:23:30,097 --> 02:23:34,006
in the conference Center Plaza, adjacent to the Pond Plaza, adjacent to the conference

1432
02:23:34,006 --> 02:23:41,041
Center, etc. Um, the location would remain the same, uh, over by

1433
02:23:41,041 --> 02:23:48,025
Communion Wine Bar with the option of moving it for special events, um, kind of in

1434
02:23:48,025 --> 02:23:50,021
the center of the conference center plaza.

1435
02:23:52,044 --> 02:23:57,015
Again, I think everybody's familiar with the Walk of Joy. It's been there for, I

1436
02:23:57,015 --> 02:24:04,012
guess, 3 years now and um it's successful once it continues, so it would be the same

1437
02:24:04,012 --> 02:24:09,096
setup. The only change is that uh staff is asking for a condition of approval to

1438
02:24:09,096 --> 02:24:15,094
install skirting around the base of the trailer to cover uh any visual impact of

1439
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:21,044
storage underneath. That was a request from Uh, town staff just to clean up the area,

1440
02:24:21,065 --> 02:24:27,056
make it look a little um neater. And I believe the applicant is fine with this.

1441
02:24:30,051 --> 02:24:36,042
Um Yeah, not much to it. So, with that, um, we recommend approval for, uh, we recommend

1442
02:24:36,054 --> 02:24:41,049
that the uh DRB recommend to town council the approval of the conditional use permit

1443
02:24:41,049 --> 02:24:49,008
renewal for food truck, uh, on MOTOS 3XRR1, um, for 3 years expiring upon the

1444
02:24:49,008 --> 02:24:54,032
seasonal closure date of the gondola in fall 2029. That was specifically requested

1445
02:24:54,038 --> 02:25:02,003
by The applicant and the um I think it was Malian economic development so that they're

1446
02:25:02,003 --> 02:25:07,023
not coming in the middle of the season like they are now um based on the staff report

1447
02:25:07,023 --> 02:25:13,083
and with the following conditions and with with conditions, um, there's a few new

1448
02:25:13,083 --> 02:25:20,073
ones in here. Um, so, scheduling a building permit for all of the electrical, installing

1449
02:25:20,073 --> 02:25:25,093
the skirting which I discussed, um, compliance with fire code, renewal of the plaza

1450
02:25:25,093 --> 02:25:30,013
license which would be required regardless. Um, the other thing I want to point out

1451
02:25:30,013 --> 02:25:36,063
is, uh, future, uh, reapplications will be renewed at a staff level. Um, that's something

1452
02:25:36,089 --> 02:25:41,084
that, uh, we're introducing for this application just because, um, you know, after

1453
02:25:41,084 --> 02:25:46,076
two approvals of the condition use permit, assuming they want to come back in 2029,

1454
02:25:46,089 --> 02:25:51,096
we feel confident that staff can approve this. However, if there are new issues,

1455
02:25:52,025 --> 02:25:56,008
staff can always elevate it to DRB or be requested to elevate it by town council

1456
02:25:56,008 --> 02:26:02,006
or whomever, um, who has the jurisdiction to elevate that to, um, to review by DRB

1457
02:26:02,006 --> 02:26:08,091
and town council. Um, so with that, I'll take any questions. Thanks, Daniel. Questions.

1458
02:26:13,087 --> 02:26:18,095
If not, we will ask the applicant to make any presentation he'd like.

1459
02:26:22,093 --> 02:26:30,087
I think Daniel summed it up pretty well. Um, we wanna continue. As it is For at least

1460
02:26:30,087 --> 02:26:37,029
another 3 years. Um, yeah, it's been successful and the locals and tourists seem

1461
02:26:37,029 --> 02:26:43,000
to enjoy it, so I think it fulfills a role. Great, thank you. Uh, board, any question

1462
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:43,085
for the applicant?

1463
02:26:47,035 --> 02:26:54,043
Nada, we don't have any public comment in our packets. Nobody online Great. I will,

1464
02:26:54,048 --> 02:26:56,009
uh, That's for emotion.

1465
02:27:01,038 --> 02:27:08,015
You want any, do you want any board deliberation or thoughts? Mr. Chairman, oh yeah,

1466
02:27:08,023 --> 02:27:08,086
I'm sorry.

1467
02:27:11,084 --> 02:27:16,015
Yeah, thoughts. I, I can tell you it's some of the best food in the Mountain Village

1468
02:27:16,015 --> 02:27:21,079
core and it's a critical, critical, it plays a critical role, uh, when we don't have

1469
02:27:21,079 --> 02:27:27,087
a lot of restaurant choices. So, um, so I think it's like a, a staple. I mean, I

1470
02:27:27,087 --> 02:27:32,096
will make a motion, um, I move to recommend approval to town council for the. Conditional

1471
02:27:32,096 --> 02:27:40,003
use permit renewal for a food truck at Lot OS 3XRR-1 owned by the town of Mountain

1472
02:27:40,003 --> 02:27:45,002
Village for a period of 3 years expiring upon the seasonal closure date of the gondola

1473
02:27:45,002 --> 02:27:51,028
in fall 2029 based on the evidence provided within the staff report of record dated

1474
02:27:51,053 --> 02:27:59,006
September 9, 2026 with the following conditions 1 through 5. 2nd, we have a second.

1475
02:27:59,066 --> 02:28:07,025
Any further discussion? Um, yes, a couple of thoughts. One, I want to go back to

1476
02:28:07,025 --> 02:28:12,096
something Toby said back in the August discussion when this issue came up of Telsky

1477
02:28:12,096 --> 02:28:17,027
wanting to use, wanting to put some administrative offices in some of the buildings,

1478
02:28:17,057 --> 02:28:21,016
and Toby made the very strong point, Wait a minute, we want to be using these buildings.

1479
02:28:21,025 --> 02:28:25,004
So when I first listened to the, uh, when I first reviewed this, I thought, why should

1480
02:28:25,004 --> 02:28:31,074
we allow a food truck? Why don't we have the Activity inside one of the buildings.

1481
02:28:31,083 --> 02:28:37,005
Well, now I understand, uh, there's some personal issues, there's some economic issues,

1482
02:28:37,095 --> 02:28:43,058
so I absolutely support a 3 year extension at the same time I have two qualifications.

1483
02:28:43,071 --> 02:28:48,009
Qualification number 1, I think at the end of 3 years, let's hope the Four Seasons

1484
02:28:48,009 --> 02:28:54,082
development is functional. And we should have a broader review of that conference

1485
02:28:54,082 --> 02:29:00,039
center area, which to me is still a dead area and it and it really could be upgraded.

1486
02:29:00,074 --> 02:29:08,055
0.1. 0.2 I don't agree with the idea of putting skirting around what's clearly

1487
02:29:08,055 --> 02:29:14,004
a, a trailer. I mean, so why are we forcing them to do that now if we want to say.

1488
02:29:14,093 --> 02:29:19,086
Please don't have any trash, immediately obvious. That's another thing, but it just

1489
02:29:19,088 --> 02:29:24,039
seems to me you're putting lipstick on a pig to say, we want skirting on the thing.

1490
02:29:24,052 --> 02:29:26,063
So those are my two comments. Thank you.

1491
02:29:28,068 --> 02:29:32,063
And I would uh differ on both points. I think the skirting actually is good and it's

1492
02:29:32,063 --> 02:29:39,057
uh nice for the community not to see what's under the trailer and I think it brings

1493
02:29:39,057 --> 02:29:46,033
so much vitality being outside, not in some hole in some building that has been really,

1494
02:29:46,043 --> 02:29:52,095
really important to the community. Uh, to have things going on outside that you can

1495
02:29:52,095 --> 02:30:00,009
see and interact with. I, I think I appreciate Jim's forceful, um, opinion issue.

1496
02:30:01,012 --> 02:30:06,018
I would counter with it's, um, I know that they have an incredibly constrained operating

1497
02:30:06,018 --> 02:30:11,043
space and so storing some stuff under their trailer is really, you know, that's their

1498
02:30:11,043 --> 02:30:17,043
storage area and I do think it's probably better to see the the uniform skirting

1499
02:30:17,043 --> 02:30:23,068
than, you know. Detris and junk underneath the trailer. So unless it's a real burden

1500
02:30:23,068 --> 02:30:28,083
to the applicant, I think we should just go for it. Does anybody want to like specify

1501
02:30:28,083 --> 02:30:32,068
what color it is? Like it should be reggae colors or just black or?

1502
02:30:38,026 --> 02:30:46,008
Owner's discretion. OK. Uh, any other comments? Conditions changes. If not, I'll

1503
02:30:46,008 --> 02:30:53,094
ask for a vote. All in favor. A pose Great motion carries. Thank you. Good luck.

1504
02:30:54,015 --> 02:31:00,011
Thanks for being there. You didn't get Ellen in, no. I did. Yeah, but I acknowledged

1505
02:31:00,065 --> 02:31:03,095
video wise. Yeah

1506
02:31:06,003 --> 02:31:13,045
So we can follow. OK. Uh, our next agenda item is lunch. So Ellen and Jim.

1507
02:31:18,028 --> 02:31:18,054
Right.

1508
02:31:24,024 --> 02:31:26,041
Again, again.

1509
02:31:28,056 --> 02:31:28,057
Um

1510
02:31:31,055 --> 02:31:36,058
And I encourage you to just go to that recording that you can capture and listen

1511
02:31:36,058 --> 02:31:41,049
to one of our meetings one time at a vote to see that to see why some of the work.

1512
02:31:44,055 --> 02:31:48,039
Yeah. We all think we're gonna be doing Yeah

1513
02:31:53,079 --> 02:32:00,009
OK, ready? Are we gonna keep going? Yeah, so, so, um, Soren is coming back with lunch.

1514
02:32:01,041 --> 02:32:05,081
But she's also presenting the next case, so why don't we just, can we, I think she

1515
02:32:05,081 --> 02:32:10,068
should be here soon. She said she was on her way 15 minutes ago, so it's should only

1516
02:32:10,068 --> 02:32:16,017
take 15 minutes even from town. Um, what do you think? Take a break for lunch. Yeah,

1517
02:32:16,026 --> 02:32:19,089
let's take a break for lunch. Hopefully she's here in a few minutes and then we'll

1518
02:32:19,089 --> 02:32:26,077
do lunch and she's presenting the next case. Or do we wanna go to the uh Um

1519
02:32:28,011 --> 02:32:31,021
Announcements and um oh yeah GRB schedule.

1520
02:32:35,024 --> 02:32:37,075
We don't have food yet. Give you guys.

1521
02:32:40,003 --> 02:32:41,004
We can do that.

1522
02:32:44,005 --> 02:32:45,092
Let me just pull it up. Sorry, I wasn't prepared.

1523
02:32:54,021 --> 02:32:55,064
I'm not even in the zoom, am I?

1524
02:32:57,084 --> 02:32:59,066
I was gonna do all this at lunch, you guys.

1525
02:33:05,029 --> 02:33:08,053
I've gotten a, you know, I have all these amazing planners to do all the presentations

1526
02:33:08,053 --> 02:33:11,008
and I've gotten a little lazy, um.

1527
02:33:14,062 --> 02:33:22,037
Wait, before you start. Then we go to item number 10. And I would make a motion to

1528
02:33:22,037 --> 02:33:28,089
continue this, uh, that final architectural review for, uh, single-family home at

1529
02:33:28,089 --> 02:33:35,079
Lot 224B TBD Snowdrift. Swift Lane to the December 3,

1530
02:33:35,092 --> 02:33:39,067
2026 DOV meeting. A second.

1531
02:33:41,086 --> 02:33:49,075
The spot in the December. Yep. Yes, we do. OK. We have the motion we have to

1532
02:33:49,075 --> 02:33:54,072
second any further discussion. Um, and I'll just mention also on that I believe because

1533
02:33:54,076 --> 02:33:59,052
that case has been around for a while, they actually have to have a decision by December

1534
02:33:59,052 --> 02:34:03,061
in order to meet their, um, the code requirement that it's approved within a year

1535
02:34:03,061 --> 02:34:08,041
or not approved, but, uh, um, there's a decision within a year. Is that our issue?

1536
02:34:09,061 --> 02:34:13,068
It's, I'm just saying that there's, there's really no choice if in terms of when

1537
02:34:13,068 --> 02:34:19,061
it can go. OK, so they will be, they will be here on that agenda today. All right,

1538
02:34:19,078 --> 02:34:25,042
I wave motion. All in favor. Aye, aye, aye, can I see the people online, please?

1539
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:33,008
Online folks, can you please say affirmatively thumbs up and Ellen thumbs up not

1540
02:34:33,011 --> 02:34:36,095
just because we don't always see you. Please don't interrupt. Yes, sorry.

1541
02:34:39,003 --> 02:34:44,012
Yes, we, I affirm it. I support it. Thank you guys

1542
02:34:47,006 --> 02:34:48,065
The number 11

1543
02:34:54,082 --> 02:35:00,081
So, that one is actually being requested to be tabled. Um, because it's several months

1544
02:35:00,081 --> 02:35:06,069
in the future, uh, we felt that a continuance wasn't, uh, maybe the best choice here

1545
02:35:06,069 --> 02:35:12,022
and we, they would actually table it and re-notice. Because, um, again, because it's

1546
02:35:12,022 --> 02:35:17,037
so far in the future. Would you differentiate tabling versus continuing? Of course,

1547
02:35:17,046 --> 02:35:22,029
um, so, uh, continuing is, uh, the, the main difference is for tabling you have to

1548
02:35:22,029 --> 02:35:29,045
re-notice. So a continuance is just saying, um, this notice applies to whatever feature.

1549
02:35:29,089 --> 02:35:36,008
Uh, version of, of feature hearing of that item, uh, versus the tabling is, uh, they,

1550
02:35:36,013 --> 02:35:40,036
they would have to re-notice, so it's kind of like putting it away, taking. OK, great,

1551
02:35:40,042 --> 02:35:47,078
thank you for that. OK, uh, need a motion on that? I'd like to make a motion to for.

1552
02:35:48,051 --> 02:35:56,046
The single-family home on lot 1171R. Uh, TBD San Joaquin Road are sent to

1553
02:35:56,046 --> 02:36:03,038
CDC section 174.11 that this is, uh, tabled.

1554
02:36:04,045 --> 02:36:10,048
To the February 4th, 2027 design review board meeting. Great, thank you. This is

1555
02:36:10,048 --> 02:36:18,034
her second. I'll, I'll 2nd. We're with a 2nd. Any further discussion? Uh, if not,

1556
02:36:18,039 --> 02:36:20,001
I'll also vote. All in favor.

1557
02:36:22,004 --> 02:36:29,015
Let me acknowledge that Ellen Kramer and Jim Osniff both voted online in the

1558
02:36:29,015 --> 02:36:30,007
affirmative.

1559
02:36:33,004 --> 02:36:38,052
Now we can do the lighting All right, are you guys ready? Ready.

1560
02:37:00,049 --> 02:37:02,032
Why isn't it letting me click share?

1561
02:37:13,051 --> 02:37:21,015
OK. OK. So, um, I just wanted to kind of do a broad overview of the code, the,

1562
02:37:21,028 --> 02:37:28,006
the final lighting code as adopted. Um, You know, we obviously worked on it for a

1563
02:37:28,006 --> 02:37:34,072
really long time and I appreciate all of your diligence on that work. And, um, I

1564
02:37:34,072 --> 02:37:38,056
also understand the position of council where they were hearing from residents that

1565
02:37:38,056 --> 02:37:44,034
they felt like the code as, you know, as recommended by the design review board was

1566
02:37:44,048 --> 02:37:49,026
Going to be a burden on our applicants and so I just wanted to kind of go through,

1567
02:37:49,032 --> 02:37:53,059
you know, some wins that we had with this code and then some some other things that

1568
02:37:53,059 --> 02:38:00,055
you know that may have changed um and and not have come through the way DRB originally

1569
02:38:00,055 --> 02:38:07,021
intended for it to um. I'm happy to go through certain sections of the code if you

1570
02:38:07,021 --> 02:38:10,069
know if you guys have questions on that or we can schedule another work session to

1571
02:38:10,069 --> 02:38:17,057
do so but um overall I do think that for new construction this code really represents

1572
02:38:17,057 --> 02:38:22,081
a a big step forward for the town we've cleaned up a lot of things um we've, you

1573
02:38:22,081 --> 02:38:26,074
know, brought lighting down levels we've put some sort of restrictions on that soffit

1574
02:38:26,074 --> 02:38:33,097
lighting, etc. um, the changes that the council made generally related to. The compliance

1575
02:38:33,097 --> 02:38:40,008
on existing structures um and so I'll just kind of run through but basically for

1576
02:38:40,003 --> 02:38:44,085
you know for new construction we've cleaned up you know the definition of architectural

1577
02:38:44,085 --> 02:38:50,089
lighting um a definition of outdoor living spaces and the the very specific requirement

1578
02:38:50,089 --> 02:38:56,077
that DRB review those outdoor light living spaces um we did this is a little different

1579
02:38:56,077 --> 02:39:03,057
from the way it went through um DRB but we did allow for. Motion activated lighting

1580
02:39:03,088 --> 02:39:09,099
in um primary entrance pathways and primary entrances and previously the code was

1581
02:39:09,099 --> 02:39:13,095
silent so I still consider this a win. I think it's a safety issue. People can have

1582
02:39:13,095 --> 02:39:17,007
a light to their front door, but they can't have motion activated lighting all around

1583
02:39:17,072 --> 02:39:22,096
their property, um. Um, clarity, you know, just sort of clarity on the prohibition

1584
02:39:23,013 --> 02:39:29,023
and the definition of landscape lighting, um, that uplighting in trees, the, um,

1585
02:39:30,031 --> 02:39:34,049
Prohibition of the illumination of glass. Balustrades which again the code previously

1586
02:39:34,049 --> 02:39:39,093
was silent on but we have prohibited in in a number of cases um so now we have that

1587
02:39:39,093 --> 02:39:45,013
in in writing um and then this is this is a big one and this is the one that we are

1588
02:39:45,013 --> 02:39:50,001
focusing on right now which is the seasonal lighting restrictions so um so this is

1589
02:39:50,001 --> 02:39:56,037
a huge change in our code. And just to let the board know, you know, I'm not, I'm

1590
02:39:56,037 --> 02:40:01,089
not asking staff to go out there and do a huge compliance on this right now. I think

1591
02:40:01,089 --> 02:40:06,037
we need to do a lot of education with our community around this. Um, we're starting,

1592
02:40:06,042 --> 02:40:10,049
we're gonna send, uh, you know, we're starting with newsletters, flyers, etc. and

1593
02:40:10,049 --> 02:40:16,045
then come spring, you know, come, you know, February, March, um, when people still

1594
02:40:16,045 --> 02:40:20,005
have their seasonal lighting up is when we're gonna start kind of lightly doing some

1595
02:40:20,005 --> 02:40:24,069
compliance work on that. Um, but that feels like a big win to me. I think that the

1596
02:40:24,069 --> 02:40:30,092
timers from 10:00 p.m. to 6 a.m. is just gonna be unbelievably, um, obvious and,

1597
02:40:30,094 --> 02:40:35,013
and different from the way that we've traditionally lit. Um, just as a reminder,

1598
02:40:35,042 --> 02:40:39,049
the seasonal lighting does not apply to the town installed lighting on our road right

1599
02:40:39,049 --> 02:40:45,029
of ways and in our plazas, and partially that's because we don't have a comprehensive

1600
02:40:45,029 --> 02:40:49,073
lighting plan outside of that. So if we removed that, there would be some safety

1601
02:40:49,073 --> 02:40:55,068
issues in terms of. Uh, finding street lights, you know, etc. So, um, you know, when

1602
02:40:55,068 --> 02:41:01,000
we have talked about doing upgrades to the town of Mountain Village entrance and

1603
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:04,004
those kinds of things, we will make sure that lighting is part of that discussion,

1604
02:41:04,049 --> 02:41:09,048
but for now, it does feel important to me that we keep that lighting scenario. Um.

1605
02:41:10,054 --> 02:41:16,005
We added a table which kind of is a nice resource for our applicants to find, uh,

1606
02:41:16,001 --> 02:41:21,093
you know, one stop shop at different fixture types and the a level the um. The various

1607
02:41:21,093 --> 02:41:27,005
limits on those, um, we have prohibited dimming control as a means to control lumen

1608
02:41:27,005 --> 02:41:31,063
output. Obviously this is just a new construction. There are gonna be a number of

1609
02:41:31,063 --> 02:41:38,005
old, you know, uh, previous installations of those prior to when it was easy to find

1610
02:41:38,005 --> 02:41:42,092
those fixtures that met our lumen capacities, um, but those ultimately as they get

1611
02:41:42,092 --> 02:41:48,004
replaced would have to come into compliance with the new code, um. We did clarify

1612
02:41:48,042 --> 02:41:54,029
in the old code, the uh parking area lighting was only discussed as it related to

1613
02:41:54,029 --> 02:41:58,041
parking garages, which doesn't make sense. So we did actually add some language in

1614
02:41:58,041 --> 02:42:04,027
there that does require some level of parking area lighting on multi-family um parking

1615
02:42:04,038 --> 02:42:12,035
surface parking lots. Um, uh, allows wall-mounted fixtures above the garage in

1616
02:42:12,037 --> 02:42:16,092
a little greater height than the previous allowed 7 ft. Um, and this is just, you

1617
02:42:16,092 --> 02:42:21,047
know, used primarily in cases where it's, there is not a great location for, uh,

1618
02:42:21,073 --> 02:42:26,024
wall-mounted sconce next to a garage, and if you can put it over the garage door,

1619
02:42:26,026 --> 02:42:32,021
in some cases, that's a more elegant solution. Um. The soffit lighting, the restriction,

1620
02:42:32,005 --> 02:42:38,016
I think when we left from DRB it might have been at that 10 ft level and based on

1621
02:42:38,018 --> 02:42:44,015
some comments from lighting designers as well as kind of the um The desire of town

1622
02:42:44,015 --> 02:42:50,043
council, we did up that limit a little bit to 12 ft. Um, it better defines what a

1623
02:42:50,043 --> 02:42:56,087
qualified lighting designer is. Um, we had just clarifying that we need that, uh,

1624
02:42:56,095 --> 02:43:01,006
the submittal of full size specification sheets for fixtures so we can, so we don't

1625
02:43:01,006 --> 02:43:06,002
have to continually go back to applicants and ask for that. Um, we've got some other

1626
02:43:06,002 --> 02:43:11,002
clarifications regarding the submittal requirements and, um, and I think another

1627
02:43:11,002 --> 02:43:16,018
really big win here is to show fixtures on those exterior elevations. It was interesting

1628
02:43:16,018 --> 02:43:21,028
the. Presentation that we just saw Katie actually, you know, she wasn't a um a picture

1629
02:43:21,028 --> 02:43:24,072
of the fixture itself which doesn't need to be, but I think for the board to be able

1630
02:43:24,072 --> 02:43:30,052
to to understand in an elevation view where fixtures are located and she went above

1631
02:43:30,052 --> 02:43:35,056
and beyond because she showed the interior fixtures on those decks. So, um, that

1632
02:43:35,056 --> 02:43:41,008
was a great, you know, sort of exercise in getting ahead of the code there, um. The,

1633
02:43:42,043 --> 02:43:47,096
the, uh, let's see where are we at, um, AGI studies, so we're, we're gonna be requiring

1634
02:43:47,099 --> 02:43:53,018
AGI studies for projects anything that has 25 or more fixtures, anything that exceeds

1635
02:43:53,018 --> 02:43:57,086
5000 square feet, and any commercial application. Lighting is gonna require that

1636
02:43:57,086 --> 02:44:03,007
AGI study. There is kind of a carve out there obviously that um that I can make a

1637
02:44:03,007 --> 02:44:07,004
decision that that AGI study isn't required. Let's say a commercial project is just,

1638
02:44:07,006 --> 02:44:12,027
you know, replacing a fixture or two. We're not gonna require an AGI study on that,

1639
02:44:12,068 --> 02:44:17,045
um. And then this is something that we had missed actually when it went through the

1640
02:44:17,045 --> 02:44:22,059
DRB but uh realized that it wasn't clear that someone might be able to make a case

1641
02:44:22,059 --> 02:44:25,092
that because they had the lights in the trees before this ordinance went into effect

1642
02:44:26,012 --> 02:44:30,046
that they didn't have to come into compliance for 5 years so we added a section around

1643
02:44:30,048 --> 02:44:37,007
that um. I was, I, I, I've, I've been through so many arguments with, with, with,

1644
02:44:37,078 --> 02:44:42,041
um, some owners around, you know, gray area that I started to get really clear on

1645
02:44:42,041 --> 02:44:47,056
some things, um, and then we did make some informed edits, uh, some of those were

1646
02:44:47,056 --> 02:44:52,036
just sort of cleaning up language because in my mind the language made perfect sense,

1647
02:44:52,042 --> 02:44:56,056
but maybe to some of our lighting designers, Katie being an example, um, she said,

1648
02:44:56,058 --> 02:44:59,049
I don't know, you know, I don't exactly understand what this means, so we just made

1649
02:44:59,049 --> 02:45:04,097
some sort of clerical and it's there, um. But then we did go ahead and we did increase

1650
02:45:04,097 --> 02:45:10,047
the lumen allowed on that uh lighting fixture with the glass element below a 90 degree

1651
02:45:10,086 --> 02:45:16,009
and um I can explain that a little bit. So Katie sent me a whole book full of, of

1652
02:45:16,009 --> 02:45:21,028
lighting um fixtures that are typical that, you know, that. You know, from typical

1653
02:45:21,003 --> 02:45:27,057
companies, etc. and they were just above that 350 lumen mark and so since we're already

1654
02:45:27,057 --> 02:45:32,033
restricting it just to the primary entrance, um, it felt like that was a reasonable

1655
02:45:32,033 --> 02:45:38,054
give on that fixture so that did get bumped up, um. And We cleaned up the language

1656
02:45:38,054 --> 02:45:44,038
again around the height above grade and then this was an additional edit about surface

1657
02:45:44,038 --> 02:45:50,098
mounted step lights um for new construction requires specific approval and for existing

1658
02:45:50,098 --> 02:45:56,046
contract construction are approvable by staff and so the the reason for this is that

1659
02:45:56,046 --> 02:46:01,001
I. I think the intent with these, you know, kind of step lights is in, in a lot of

1660
02:46:01,001 --> 02:46:08,014
cases we would prefer that recessed, um, fixture and, and or not, but there's, there's

1661
02:46:08,014 --> 02:46:12,065
some really bad surface mounted fixtures out there, so I shouldn't say bad, maybe

1662
02:46:12,065 --> 02:46:20,025
not, not aesthetically pleasing. So, so, um, I wanted to

1663
02:46:20,025 --> 02:46:24,057
basically say that, hey, if we're looking at a surface-mounted fixture, let's make

1664
02:46:24,057 --> 02:46:28,073
sure that the board takes a good look at it and it's, and it's a decent fixture and

1665
02:46:28,073 --> 02:46:34,044
it's high quality. Um, in a, in a, um, compliance issue where we're retrofitting,

1666
02:46:34,066 --> 02:46:42,057
it's a little more difficult to, you know, to, to replace fixtures. If they're interior

1667
02:46:42,057 --> 02:46:47,002
mounted, etc. when you're, you know, a 20 year old project and the wiring's gone

1668
02:46:47,002 --> 02:46:50,009
bad, etc. it might be a case where we want to look at an exterior mounted fixture

1669
02:46:51,006 --> 02:46:57,052
and giving staff the authority to do so, um. So then there was some compromise at

1670
02:46:57,052 --> 02:47:05,044
the very last hearing where, um, you know, the, the biggest Issues seem to

1671
02:47:05,044 --> 02:47:12,069
be the financial burden on homeowners who have extensive soffit lighting and

1672
02:47:12,069 --> 02:47:18,097
extensive wall-mounted fixtures that would need to be replaced and so the council

1673
02:47:18,097 --> 02:47:26,008
did um want to exclude existing recess soffit lighting where it was

1674
02:47:26,086 --> 02:47:34,063
under a deck or under a roof, um. And then the wall mounted fixtures,

1675
02:47:34,076 --> 02:47:40,011
they did not want those to have to be replaced if they were under 850 lumens, and

1676
02:47:40,011 --> 02:47:41,078
if they did not, um,

1677
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:47,019
It might, I, I have to check the language on that. It might have been if it's under

1678
02:47:47,019 --> 02:47:53,074
850 women and doesn't cross the property boundaries. Um, and then I just wanted to

1679
02:47:53,074 --> 02:47:58,094
review a little bit because I can't remember if this was in your version or not.

1680
02:47:59,002 --> 02:48:04,038
Uh, maybe someone can correct me. We, did we have the lighting, the lighting variants

1681
02:48:04,038 --> 02:48:06,094
as part of it when you, when you all reviewed it?

1682
02:48:09,008 --> 02:48:12,082
So, I think we did, I think we did at the end because I think it was a requirement

1683
02:48:12,082 --> 02:48:19,078
of the town attorney, um, but that also got tweaked a little bit as well where, um,

1684
02:48:20,019 --> 02:48:28,019
the, the council did not want, you know, 20 applications a year to come to

1685
02:48:28,019 --> 02:48:32,095
council for lighting variants. They wanted to give the ability for staff to approve

1686
02:48:32,095 --> 02:48:37,078
some of these lighting variances at a staff level. Um, I had suggested. 3 fixtures

1687
02:48:37,078 --> 02:48:43,038
or less they bumped it up to 10 so that's the way it is now and I guess there is

1688
02:48:43,038 --> 02:48:48,089
an out on staff and that if we can't determine that the following criteria has been

1689
02:48:48,089 --> 02:48:53,074
met we can then elevate it but at least it gives us an opportunity to work with the

1690
02:48:53,074 --> 02:48:58,036
homeowner and we will, we will work with them we're not gonna just. Give blanket

1691
02:48:58,036 --> 02:49:03,032
variances. Did you try to the best of your ability to meet this code? You know, here

1692
02:49:03,032 --> 02:49:06,067
are some solutions. What, you know, can you do this? Can you do this? Can you do

1693
02:49:06,067 --> 02:49:10,024
this? Can you do this? When we get to a point where they say we can't do anymore

1694
02:49:10,004 --> 02:49:14,022
and there's still existing pictures that aren't in compliance, then we decide whether

1695
02:49:14,024 --> 02:49:16,099
we're comfortable approving that at a staff level or if we're gonna bump it up to

1696
02:49:16,099 --> 02:49:22,063
town council. So With that, any questions?

1697
02:49:38,002 --> 02:49:41,046
That it's already in the table. It's, yeah, it, it's, yup.

1698
02:50:02,051 --> 02:50:07,037
Uh, it's flipping me right now. Amy, I, I know you're gonna, you're going slow on

1699
02:50:07,037 --> 02:50:12,061
the seasonal, um, like draconian enforcement, but are you gonna notify people like

1700
02:50:12,061 --> 02:50:16,044
in the Mountain Village Newsletter or something like that, hey, heads up this winter?

1701
02:50:16,068 --> 02:50:20,045
Yeah, so we have a mailer coming out hopefully in the next week or two as people

1702
02:50:20,045 --> 02:50:24,034
are putting their seasonal lighting in with a really heavy recommendation to obviously

1703
02:50:24,034 --> 02:50:28,021
put those also on a timer so that they don't have to manually turn them off every

1704
02:50:28,021 --> 02:50:32,008
night. Um, and then it'll be going out, it's going out as a press release. We'll

1705
02:50:32,008 --> 02:50:37,024
be putting it in the newsletter. We'll be kind of continuing. We'll do another batch

1706
02:50:37,024 --> 02:50:42,068
of that as we get close to the end of the, um, seasonal period as well. Kevin, you

1707
02:50:42,068 --> 02:50:46,085
actually hit on what I was thinking about. Uh, I've had clients that put them onto

1708
02:50:46,085 --> 02:50:52,058
their lighting control system. And it's on complete cruise control. So I think the

1709
02:50:52,058 --> 02:50:57,054
earlier we can communicate that because uh on those old like touch and neutron systems

1710
02:50:57,054 --> 02:51:03,078
and some of those, um, not only do you have a clock function, you also have a calendar

1711
02:51:03,078 --> 02:51:08,079
function. If they engage their lighting programmers early enough, so they can get

1712
02:51:08,079 --> 02:51:16,073
that criteria built in. Great. Just one other comment, um. You know, the, the, the

1713
02:51:16,073 --> 02:51:21,049
existing folks with older homes and a lot of non-compliant lights and things like

1714
02:51:21,049 --> 02:51:26,085
that, a way and you're trying to be, you know, navigate that, that, you know, that

1715
02:51:26,085 --> 02:51:32,021
whole experience for them. You could have it though where you're accommodating but

1716
02:51:32,021 --> 02:51:38,033
upon the sale of the property, um, it, it needs to be rectified and you, you know.

1717
02:51:38,054 --> 02:51:42,077
There's, you can use a device, you know, like an escrow or something like that from

1718
02:51:42,077 --> 02:51:48,065
a sale that's where it, it happens, you know, subject to the sale of the property

1719
02:51:48,065 --> 02:51:52,057
because that's when, you know, a lot of money is exchanging hands and people feel

1720
02:51:52,057 --> 02:51:56,073
a little more flush on their way out. So something to think about. Yeah, I mean that's

1721
02:51:56,073 --> 02:52:00,038
something that we could certainly bring forward as a further amendment. It was not,

1722
02:52:00,044 --> 02:52:06,053
um, we were sort of, it was, it was, this was, this was an attempt to get something

1723
02:52:06,053 --> 02:52:12,069
passed versus nothing. Um, and yeah, there can, obviously the code is, is elastic

1724
02:52:12,069 --> 02:52:17,055
and can always be looked at further, you know, down the road when, when maybe people

1725
02:52:17,055 --> 02:52:22,041
see how impactful the current version is. I mean I would say that, you know, there

1726
02:52:22,041 --> 02:52:27,011
are some things within the compliance. That still are gonna be really great so you

1727
02:52:27,011 --> 02:52:34,099
know for example in 5 years there's a number of folks that have um you know their

1728
02:52:34,099 --> 02:52:38,095
driveways lit up like it's the airport kind of a thing and those those will have

1729
02:52:38,095 --> 02:52:42,007
to be turned off so I know it's hard to wait 5 years but.

1730
02:52:45,029 --> 02:52:50,028
When is, I, I was just actually downloading the CDC off the website just to see if

1731
02:52:50,028 --> 02:52:56,036
it was there. Yep, so it's not there. It's, you have to, um, it's, it's was it linked

1732
02:52:56,036 --> 02:52:59,099
in my memo? I can send it to all of you. It's separately on the website. It's not

1733
02:53:00,009 --> 02:53:05,022
within the. The uh code consulting version, the online version, it takes them a while

1734
02:53:05,022 --> 02:53:10,072
to get through it. So we have it on the website, but it's not um correct in the,

1735
02:53:10,083 --> 02:53:18,038
in the full CDC. It's on the planning page under lighting regulation. So also all

1736
02:53:18,038 --> 02:53:22,062
the adopted ordinances are in the uh archive center of the website and that's where

1737
02:53:22,062 --> 02:53:26,007
you can find it. But they, they do eventually meld them into this, the total. Yeah,

1738
02:53:26,075 --> 02:53:32,006
it just takes a little bit of time. Uh, just thinking for applicants that benefit,

1739
02:53:32,073 --> 02:53:33,004
yeah.

1740
02:53:36,038 --> 02:53:41,084
Any other questions? No, but I will say that that. In so many ways makes things easier

1741
02:53:41,084 --> 02:53:46,064
for us. It really does. Yeah, I feel a little terrifying.

1742
02:53:49,017 --> 02:53:52,032
Yeah, I'm sure we'll clean it up again, but it was a, it was a good, it was a good

1743
02:53:52,032 --> 02:53:59,000
effort. OK, um, let's take a break. Everybody can get their lunch and if the next

1744
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:06,051
applicant's comfortable with us eating during their. Great, thanks, thanks. I have

1745
02:54:06,051 --> 02:54:13,012
a question. I have a question. Amy, two things. One, with the seasonal lighting,

1746
02:54:13,017 --> 02:54:19,033
I see it says that there's an additional 2-week period. What does that mean? Um,

1747
02:54:20,001 --> 02:54:25,004
for the sake of equity because not everybody celebrates, you know, the typical winter

1748
02:54:25,042 --> 02:54:29,093
holidays, and there are, there were folks on council that felt strongly that we needed

1749
02:54:29,093 --> 02:54:34,087
to. Include other holidays that fell outside of that zone. You can put up holiday

1750
02:54:34,087 --> 02:54:37,095
lights for two weeks. You can for.

1751
02:54:40,054 --> 02:54:42,008
I, I mean, I'm not gonna ask you what your holiday is.

1752
02:54:44,035 --> 02:54:47,082
So like if you wanted to put up red, white, and blue lights for 4th of July, you

1753
02:54:47,082 --> 02:54:51,082
could do it for 2 weeks. Correct. If you want to hang up Halloween lights, you can

1754
02:54:51,082 --> 02:54:59,002
do it for 2 weeks. OK, yeah. OK. And then the other question is, because I am

1755
02:54:59,035 --> 02:55:05,049
visual, uh, I'm not sure that I quite understand the glass element of a sconce below

1756
02:55:05,049 --> 02:55:10,046
90 degree cutoff. Do you have a picture of what that means? I have provided it in

1757
02:55:10,046 --> 02:55:16,002
the past. I don't, um, I can send you one, Ellen, but it's that decorative sconce

1758
02:55:16,002 --> 02:55:21,091
where the bulb is up inside the casing. But the glass projects and what happens is,

1759
02:55:21,093 --> 02:55:28,074
is the bulb illuminates the glass itself as if it is a bulb, right? So it's that,

1760
02:55:28,008 --> 02:55:33,055
um, I, I'll send you an example after the meeting. We, we, I did have it when we

1761
02:55:33,055 --> 02:55:37,035
were originally going through those lighting changes. I don't have it prepared today.

1762
02:55:37,084 --> 02:55:43,006
So those are allowed or they're not allowed. They are allowed at a primary entrance

1763
02:55:43,008 --> 02:55:50,009
only. Um, and that needs to be 450 lumens or below. And again, that's if the the

1764
02:55:50,009 --> 02:55:55,004
actual bulb, you can't see it. You can't see the bulb, you can only see the glass,

1765
02:55:55,018 --> 02:56:00,017
but the glass does illuminate a little bit. It has a glow to it. But if you can see

1766
02:56:00,017 --> 02:56:06,019
the bulb, you can't have that at all. Exactly. OK, so we'll make an exception for

1767
02:56:06,019 --> 02:56:13,005
when you can't see the bulb even though the glass is being. Lanterned on, right.

1768
02:56:13,072 --> 02:56:18,058
OK. Yeah, because in the past we've, you know, we've sort of, we have a working interpretation

1769
02:56:18,083 --> 02:56:24,038
that those were, you know, not full cutoff. When you look at Dark Sky International,

1770
02:56:24,043 --> 02:56:29,001
etc. they will call that fixture dark, you know, dark sky cutoff. What we didn't

1771
02:56:29,001 --> 02:56:31,094
want to see is I didn't want to see those all the way around the building because

1772
02:56:31,094 --> 02:56:37,002
it will look just like light bulbs from far away. Um, but it does make sense. People

1773
02:56:37,002 --> 02:56:41,037
love those fixtures at a primary entrance, and it sort of, you know, brings people

1774
02:56:41,039 --> 02:56:47,019
to the primary entrance of a property, so. And historically, thank you. We had those

1775
02:56:47,067 --> 02:56:50,066
with opaque and a 40 watt bulb. Yeah.

1776
02:56:53,055 --> 02:56:54,047
All right, all good.

1777
02:56:57,054 --> 02:57:02,085
If so, we, we will break for lunch and then reconvene in 5 minutes for our next agenda

1778
02:57:02,085 --> 02:57:03,025
item.

1779
02:57:13,006 --> 02:57:21,002
Pursuant to the DC section. Excuse me. 173 14. May I ask,

1780
02:57:21,025 --> 02:57:26,012
is there any conflict of interest or ex parte discussion? Uh, Mr. Chair, I have a

1781
02:57:26,012 --> 02:57:34,006
conflict of interest as a partner in Proset construction and But it's uh presenting

1782
02:57:34,006 --> 02:57:35,000
here, so.

1783
02:57:37,033 --> 02:57:41,006
Great. Thank you so much for that. Well we can move on with The

1784
02:57:46,014 --> 02:57:52,097
Yeah, thank you, Chair Bing Chair Brown. Um, I'm going to be presenting on a specific

1785
02:57:52,097 --> 02:57:57,009
approval for General Easeman encroachments at Lot 220B, 113 Palmyra Drive.

1786
02:57:59,034 --> 02:58:06,072
Yes. 00, sorry. Here, I'll go back. That was my, my first slide. Um, right, this

1787
02:58:06,072 --> 02:58:11,034
application is from Ben Elliott of Proset Construction, um, and the owner of the

1788
02:58:11,034 --> 02:58:17,042
property is 113 Palmyra LLC. Um, the property is currently under construction as

1789
02:58:17,042 --> 02:58:22,042
a single-family residence and it is zoned as a single-family. Um, the application

1790
02:58:22,042 --> 02:58:27,036
is for general easement encroachments on the east and north side of the lot. Um,

1791
02:58:27,045 --> 02:58:34,087
it's a 0.62 acre lot that's 29,700 square feet, and its gross square footage is 8,414

1792
02:58:34,087 --> 02:58:40,098
square feet. Um, the adjacent land uses, um, to the north, south, and west are all

1793
02:58:40,098 --> 02:58:45,091
single family, and then over on the east will be active open space with the bridges

1794
02:58:45,091 --> 02:58:46,052
ski run.

1795
02:58:50,053 --> 02:58:55,056
Um, this request is for, um, approval to allow two retaining walls to encroach into

1796
02:58:55,056 --> 02:59:00,052
the general easement on the north and east side of the lot, and currently they have

1797
02:59:00,052 --> 02:59:01,049
already been installed.

1798
02:59:05,005 --> 02:59:10,004
To provide some context, uh, the DRB approved the design review application for a

1799
02:59:10,004 --> 02:59:16,064
new single-family home located at Lot 220B, um, during the July 7th, 2022, uh, DRB

1800
02:59:16,064 --> 02:59:21,032
meeting. Um, and the previous approval of the single-family home included General

1801
02:59:21,032 --> 02:59:25,028
Eastman encroachments of a retaining wall on the south side of the lot.

1802
02:59:29,089 --> 02:59:34,029
Before discussing, uh, encroachment locations, I wanted to point out that this updated

1803
02:59:34,029 --> 02:59:40,001
civil sheet shown on the screen was submitted by the applicant on Monday. Um, in

1804
02:59:40,001 --> 02:59:44,069
my memo, I did include a condition for the updated and engineer approved civils to

1805
02:59:44,069 --> 02:59:50,064
be provided, um, prior to the certificate of occupancy being issued. Um, however,

1806
02:59:50,098 --> 02:59:57,001
this condition may be removed now. Um, for retaining wall one, let me get my mouse

1807
02:59:57,001 --> 03:00:01,007
over here. Retaining wall one right here on the east side of the lot is a boulder

1808
03:00:01,007 --> 03:00:07,003
retaining wall located, oh, as I said, on the east side of the lot. Um, as the applicant

1809
03:00:07,003 --> 03:00:12,054
pointed out in their narrative, uh, the site's natural, um, grades and slopes over

1810
03:00:12,076 --> 03:00:18,087
in this portion of the lot, um, was causing excess excessive amounts of water to

1811
03:00:18,087 --> 03:00:23,063
drain towards the rear of the property. Um, due to this, retaining wall one's extension

1812
03:00:23,065 --> 03:00:28,008
and encroachment was deemed a necessary intervention by the applicant to redirect

1813
03:00:28,008 --> 03:00:33,079
drainage for preservation of the foundation, rear of the patio, and then rear of

1814
03:00:33,079 --> 03:00:40,046
rear landscaping. Um, for retaining wall too, that is over in the north side of the

1815
03:00:40,046 --> 03:00:47,006
lot, um, it is Over by the installed hot tub, right, oh, my mouse disappeared. Right

1816
03:00:47,006 --> 03:00:51,078
here. Um, according to the applicant's narrative, the varying depths of the natural

1817
03:00:51,078 --> 03:00:57,006
stone used, um, those courses resulted in the wall stepping back to retain the soil.

1818
03:00:57,035 --> 03:01:02,003
Um, this result in the base course extending slightly farther into the general easement,

1819
03:01:02,055 --> 03:01:07,046
uh, than the courses above, which created the encroachment. Um, at this stage, removal

1820
03:01:07,046 --> 03:01:12,046
of retaining wall two would require significant disturbance to the site and relocation

1821
03:01:12,046 --> 03:01:13,007
of existing landscaping.

1822
03:01:16,002 --> 03:01:21,003
Um, on screen, I've provided a recommended motion if the DRB chooses to approve the

1823
03:01:21,003 --> 03:01:25,086
general easement encroachments, um, with the following conditions on the next slide.

1824
03:01:27,025 --> 03:01:31,063
And then just as a quick reminder, uh, staff receives the uh updated.

1825
03:01:33,068 --> 03:01:38,017
That were approved by an engineer. Um, we received those on Monday. So again, if,

1826
03:01:38,024 --> 03:01:42,035
uh, DRB would like to remove condition one, thank you.

1827
03:01:45,089 --> 03:01:52,085
Great. Thank you. What questions for staff. Do you have any photos showing those

1828
03:01:52,099 --> 03:01:56,011
um retaining walls? Yeah, I do. Let me grab them really quick.

1829
03:02:26,087 --> 03:02:31,005
OK. Once I share my screen, um, I'm gonna provide uh drone photos that the applicant

1830
03:02:31,005 --> 03:02:33,098
provided to us with the updated civils.

1831
03:02:45,023 --> 03:02:49,033
Oh, let me see if I can get this too. Bigger

1832
03:02:54,066 --> 03:02:59,097
And so that this is retaining wall one on the east side of the lot, um, and so right

1833
03:02:59,097 --> 03:03:04,055
where my mouse is is where the original retaining wall ends and then to the left

1834
03:03:04,055 --> 03:03:09,012
hand side is going to be that encroachment that we see for retaining wall one. and

1835
03:03:09,012 --> 03:03:15,018
so the slopes, um, in natural grade up here. The drainage was just getting too excessive

1836
03:03:15,018 --> 03:03:19,093
towards the foundation and rear of the property. Um, so the applicant deemed it necessary

1837
03:03:19,095 --> 03:03:25,021
to install this portion of the retaining wall to then encroach. Um, and then on the

1838
03:03:25,023 --> 03:03:32,002
opposite side over on the north, if it will. Load. Come on.

1839
03:03:35,042 --> 03:03:37,073
And then when it shows, this will be a retaining wall too.

1840
03:03:44,089 --> 03:03:46,048
Sorry, just taking a moment to load.

1841
03:03:48,056 --> 03:03:52,063
And then right here would be retaining wall to use encroachment.

1842
03:04:04,007 --> 03:04:04,098
Yes, it is.

1843
03:04:07,067 --> 03:04:07,071
Mhm

1844
03:04:37,003 --> 03:04:44,084
So do I hold it? So Got it. All right. Thanks, Mr. Chairman and, and

1845
03:04:44,009 --> 03:04:48,085
the entire board. Appreciate your time today. Uh, uh, my name is Ben Elliott. I'm

1846
03:04:48,085 --> 03:04:52,092
a project manager with Prosec Construction, uh, responsible for the construction

1847
03:04:53,000 --> 03:04:55,025
of 113 Palmyra Project.

1848
03:05:00,002 --> 03:05:02,064
And sorry, was I just introducing or?

1849
03:05:05,024 --> 03:05:10,015
Was this, sorry, was this my time to add anything to the, or I didn't, OK. So to

1850
03:05:10,015 --> 03:05:14,027
make it work. Sounds good. I appreciate it. Well, thank you, Soren, for the, um,

1851
03:05:14,036 --> 03:05:18,091
the summary, and I think she covered it really well. Um, the only thing I wanted

1852
03:05:18,091 --> 03:05:24,005
to add, um, was kind of going back to that picture on the east side of the house.

1853
03:05:25,002 --> 03:05:31,002
Um, in addition to improving the overall drainage of the site, uh, one thing we noticed

1854
03:05:31,002 --> 03:05:36,037
upon final backfill was that it actually constricted the egress of the house out

1855
03:05:36,037 --> 03:05:41,052
of that exterior exit. And then can we excuse me, can we have the pictures when he

1856
03:05:41,052 --> 03:05:44,067
says he's sad, I'm not sure which. China is which

1857
03:05:46,085 --> 03:05:48,052
Yeah, so it stopped that side right there.

1858
03:05:51,064 --> 03:05:59,023
Yeah, so, so by incorporating the retaining wall there, um, that did allow that egress

1859
03:05:59,023 --> 03:06:04,083
path to stay consistent kind of around the house and facilitate a little bit better

1860
03:06:04,083 --> 03:06:12,056
movement around the house. Um, and then the only other thing I was going to add on

1861
03:06:12,056 --> 03:06:20,003
the, um, the retaining wall at the hot tub. Um, with the depth of those boulders,

1862
03:06:20,045 --> 03:06:25,043
um, kind of like Soren explained, they're actually, the spec on them was about 2

1863
03:06:25,043 --> 03:06:33,001
ft deep. Um, so they're actually pretty large on there. So that, um, uh, that depth

1864
03:06:33,007 --> 03:06:38,016
in relation to the civil details, uh, following the stepback requirements from the

1865
03:06:38,016 --> 03:06:45,051
civil engineer, um, is, is kind of what, uh, what drove the Placement there and not

1866
03:06:45,051 --> 03:06:53,034
being exactly uh along the easement line right there. So, um. Well, no doubt, uh,

1867
03:06:53,059 --> 03:06:58,018
learning experience for the installing contractor as well as us, I do think it provides

1868
03:06:58,018 --> 03:07:02,066
a little bit better landing area right off the step from the hot tub deck as you

1869
03:07:02,066 --> 03:07:07,025
come off of that plan east side, which would be the closest side to the picture being

1870
03:07:07,025 --> 03:07:12,039
taken right there. Um, to give a little bit more space before the edge of the wall,

1871
03:07:12,091 --> 03:07:13,003
so.

1872
03:07:16,006 --> 03:07:23,029
Anything else? That's all. OK, great. Uh, board questions for the applicant. Can

1873
03:07:23,029 --> 03:07:29,026
I ask one real quick one on the hot tub side, how is that, uh, exterior ground finished?

1874
03:07:29,059 --> 03:07:34,033
Will it be finished to be lawn, or it's, yeah, it's lawn and landscaping, OK, yeah.

1875
03:07:35,065 --> 03:07:40,006
And so there is some off of that west side, which is the closest side towards the

1876
03:07:40,006 --> 03:07:45,024
picture, there's black stone steps that go back uh towards the patio right there.

1877
03:07:51,068 --> 03:07:52,035
I can, yeah.

1878
03:07:55,007 --> 03:07:56,017
Let's see

1879
03:08:32,032 --> 03:08:35,049
Sure Does it, does it automatically upload?

1880
03:08:44,005 --> 03:08:47,024
Then if you wanna send them to me as well, I can pull them up, yeah.

1881
03:08:58,067 --> 03:08:59,067
All right, just sent it

1882
03:09:48,073 --> 03:09:51,048
Did it send then. Yeah.

1883
03:10:06,007 --> 03:10:08,055
It did, it's kind of File.

1884
03:10:13,041 --> 03:10:16,014
It's, uh, it's fully, the grass is growing,

1885
03:10:22,035 --> 03:10:23,008
Exclusive

1886
03:10:42,085 --> 03:10:44,073
Well, I'm sorry I asked.

1887
03:10:49,084 --> 03:10:50,089
Yeah, 2 seconds.

1888
03:10:53,067 --> 03:10:56,001
I reduced the file size so that one should come through.

1889
03:11:20,052 --> 03:11:24,079
I'm gonna say in the interest of time, can everybody imagine that looks like with

1890
03:11:24,079 --> 03:11:25,032
Juan?

1891
03:11:27,037 --> 03:11:33,078
Yeah There it is. OK, here we go. Outlook wanted to take its time.

1892
03:11:53,077 --> 03:12:00,024
Right on the corner. You don't get to say anything. Come on. Oh, is it not? Why is

1893
03:12:00,024 --> 03:12:01,012
it not going up?

1894
03:12:04,037 --> 03:12:07,096
There we go. And then you can, yeah, there should be more attached if you scroll

1895
03:12:07,096 --> 03:12:13,032
down on that. I was gonna say it's a nice looking backyard. Oh.

1896
03:12:15,038 --> 03:12:18,024
Sorry, Ben, Outlook is having a meltdown on me.

1897
03:12:37,041 --> 03:12:42,032
Yes, please. Um, did you receive any, um, the neighbor to the north on Lot 211 and

1898
03:12:42,032 --> 03:12:47,017
the one on 220A north and south of you? Did you get any, um, Pushback or any kind

1899
03:12:47,017 --> 03:12:52,025
of comments, any public comment from those? Not that I'm aware of, no. Nothing is

1900
03:12:52,034 --> 03:12:54,045
OK. Did send the noticing out.

1901
03:13:03,011 --> 03:13:05,018
Any other questions for the applicant?

1902
03:13:18,078 --> 03:13:20,049
Are there any pictures from above?

1903
03:13:26,011 --> 03:13:29,064
OK. Yeah, just those ones from the side.

1904
03:13:38,003 --> 03:13:40,062
I do have more though that we could look at.

1905
03:13:46,093 --> 03:13:47,058
Chavels

1906
03:13:55,008 --> 03:14:02,089
OK. OK. OK, if that's what we have, that's what we have. We'll move on.

1907
03:14:03,074 --> 03:14:05,057
Uh, any further questions for the applicant?

1908
03:14:08,024 --> 03:14:14,044
We've received no public comment. No public comment. Baghdad. So we can uh go to

1909
03:14:14,044 --> 03:14:15,067
board deliberation.

1910
03:14:19,011 --> 03:14:22,058
I'll start. I think that, you know, this is one of those cases, it's better to ask

1911
03:14:22,058 --> 03:14:28,002
for forgiveness, uh, you know, on the back end than, than have the plan, uh, you

1912
03:14:28,002 --> 03:14:33,007
know. Probably demonstrate that it, it might have been needed upfront, but you can

1913
03:14:33,007 --> 03:14:38,037
never know. I don't really have a, a real problem with these types of encroachments.

1914
03:14:38,069 --> 03:14:45,002
Um, they're like the as built for a better product. It faces the ski run, it's well

1915
03:14:45,002 --> 03:14:50,066
sits well above it. Neither neighbor to the north or south has objected. Those houses

1916
03:14:50,066 --> 03:14:53,031
are already built. I, I'm fine with it.

1917
03:14:59,081 --> 03:15:00,084
I agree with Toby

1918
03:15:02,088 --> 03:15:06,043
I agree with Toby as well, but you guys weren't here when there was a board member.

1919
03:15:07,093 --> 03:15:15,091
Any encroachment into a setback. With Punishable by death. I, I, I think

1920
03:15:15,091 --> 03:15:20,015
it's the, the applicant is fortunate that one of the board members had to recuse

1921
03:15:20,015 --> 03:15:25,059
himself that is most, most against this kind of thing. It's pretty unusual. And I,

1922
03:15:25,072 --> 03:15:29,075
and I actually will say the, the one wall I went through the retention because of

1923
03:15:29,075 --> 03:15:32,026
the steep slopes, yes, the other one seems like kind of a.

1924
03:15:34,035 --> 03:15:37,003
Landscaping feature to make my hot tub nicer, but.

1925
03:15:39,091 --> 03:15:45,051
But the encroachments so slight, I not that that's like slightly pregnant, but The

1926
03:15:45,051 --> 03:15:48,072
encroachment is so slight that I can, I can live with that.

1927
03:15:50,085 --> 03:15:56,062
I think also public works approved it, so. You know, there seems to be a reasonable

1928
03:15:56,062 --> 03:16:01,007
assumption that that's OK, and I mean I wouldn't wanna go toe to toe with public

1929
03:16:01,007 --> 03:16:08,064
works, so if they say it's OK, I'm OK. OK. If there's no other

1930
03:16:08,064 --> 03:16:13,001
motions or, I mean, discussion, I'll ask for motion, please.

1931
03:16:19,074 --> 03:16:25,001
I moved to approve the um Gotta get my glasses on again.

1932
03:16:28,073 --> 03:16:34,081
I move to approve the specific approval for general easement encroachments at lot

1933
03:16:35,008 --> 03:16:43,002
220B 113 Palmyra based on evidence provided in the staff memo of record dated September

1934
03:16:43,002 --> 03:16:49,011
20 September 18, 2026 and the findings of this meeting with following conditions

1935
03:16:49,011 --> 03:16:56,051
one. Great, thank you. 0 2nd. I'll second it. Great. Any further discussion?

1936
03:16:58,032 --> 03:17:03,084
May we see the people on the screen, please? I think Jim has left the, the meeting,

1937
03:17:04,044 --> 03:17:10,047
so I'll be voting, uh, and with that I'll ask for a vote. All in favor. Aye, aye.

1938
03:17:10,092 --> 03:17:15,014
But the record show that Ellen Kramer voted affirmatively.

1939
03:17:18,054 --> 03:17:26,009
She said, I, I, I. OK, great. We'll continue moving along here too. All right.

1940
03:17:27,029 --> 03:17:34,014
Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. So glad we could be your first appearance.

1941
03:17:36,081 --> 03:17:43,008
Uh, our last, well, not the last agenda item, but, uh, next agenda item is reading

1942
03:17:43,008 --> 03:17:50,016
approval of the 227 design review board meeting schedule. So, that would be you.

1943
03:17:50,033 --> 03:17:53,004
That will be, yes. Um, here we are.

1944
03:18:08,022 --> 03:18:14,035
Um, all right, I'll be presenting the, uh, reading and approval of the 2027 DRB schedule.

1945
03:18:14,086 --> 03:18:20,068
Um, so up on the screen, uh, is the full schedule for 2027, um, the first Thursday

1946
03:18:20,068 --> 03:18:25,086
of each month next year, starting at 10:00 a.m. Um, in my memo, I did point out two

1947
03:18:25,086 --> 03:18:30,088
dates that I wanted, um, DRB to look at, which would be July 1st, which is gonna

1948
03:18:30,088 --> 03:18:35,084
be the Thursday prior to Independence Day, as well as Thursday, September 2nd, which

1949
03:18:35,084 --> 03:18:40,008
will be in the middle of the Telluride Film Festival. So I wanted to see if we need

1950
03:18:40,008 --> 03:18:44,041
to move either, should one be remote. And just

1951
03:18:47,038 --> 03:18:51,096
I'll just note that the um Thursday, September 2nd, if it is during the film festival,

1952
03:18:53,021 --> 03:18:59,012
We would Oh my mic's on, yeah, um, we would anticipate that it will be a remote only

1953
03:18:59,012 --> 03:19:05,004
meeting because, um, because they use the, not that we have a contract for them for

1954
03:19:05,004 --> 03:19:08,039
next year, but we're assuming that they would wanna come back and use council chamber.

1955
03:19:14,052 --> 03:19:14,064
OK.

1956
03:19:17,009 --> 03:19:23,029
Do we need to take action on this? Um, yes. Recommended motion here unless any of

1957
03:19:23,029 --> 03:19:24,018
the dates needed.

1958
03:19:29,083 --> 03:19:33,075
I'm a little confused though. Do you have two new dates proposed in there? I didn't

1959
03:19:33,075 --> 03:19:38,038
see them. Um, no, they're not proposed. It's up to, uh, the design review board if

1960
03:19:38,038 --> 03:19:45,005
they would like to move them or change them. I think the July 1st meeting is fine,

1961
03:19:45,044 --> 03:19:53,004
um, but like we move in the, um, September to the 9th instead of the 2nd, so we get

1962
03:19:53,004 --> 03:19:58,007
back into the room. I think we're more functional inside the room instead. Yes, yeah,

1963
03:19:58,093 --> 03:20:02,064
understood. So instead of September 2nd going virtual, you would like to move it

1964
03:20:02,064 --> 03:20:04,048
to September 9th, correct? OK.

1965
03:20:06,077 --> 03:20:09,071
To approve the design review meeting scheduled for.

1966
03:20:14,089 --> 03:20:21,075
23rd, 26 with the modification of the September meeting being moved to

1967
03:20:22,065 --> 03:20:25,081
September 9th, 2027. I'll second it.

1968
03:20:28,033 --> 03:20:30,044
You have a motion to second any further discussion.

1969
03:20:32,093 --> 03:20:39,064
If not, I'll ask for a vote. A favor. Aye aye. The records show that Ellen Kramer

1970
03:20:39,064 --> 03:20:47,038
has voted in the affirmative. Thank you, Ellen. Welcome. Great. And uh we can move

1971
03:20:47,038 --> 03:20:55,036
on now to staff updates. Staff. I'm starting with you. Oh, go ahead. Um,

1972
03:20:55,062 --> 03:21:01,092
yes, the main update is just about the Palm Plaza project. Which you guys uh saw

1973
03:21:01,094 --> 03:21:07,029
at an informational session. It was it, I think it was last meeting. We did have

1974
03:21:07,029 --> 03:21:13,001
a an informational session with council as well. They gave us a thumbs up to continue,

1975
03:21:13,019 --> 03:21:18,022
didn't give us a whole lot of direction about which concept they were choosing. Well,

1976
03:21:18,062 --> 03:21:22,005
each councilor had their own opinions and they were pretty split. So, that'll be

1977
03:21:22,005 --> 03:21:25,096
interesting, but what we are uh going to go ahead and do is move forward with the

1978
03:21:25,098 --> 03:21:31,005
um alternative review for governmental projects process, which I think I outlined

1979
03:21:31,005 --> 03:21:36,027
in our informational session. It includes, um, at this next council meeting. Presenting

1980
03:21:36,027 --> 03:21:41,043
a resolution that sets up a task force and a process for the eventual entitlement

1981
03:21:41,043 --> 03:21:49,038
of the design. Um, that Um Excuse me, the task force is gonna meet probably

1982
03:21:49,038 --> 03:21:55,023
in November and we probably will come back to the DRB for a recommendation on a final

1983
03:21:55,023 --> 03:22:00,039
preferred alternative, um, probably in November or December, but that needs to be

1984
03:22:00,039 --> 03:22:04,051
identified as part of this resolution which is we're obviously gonna drafted the

1985
03:22:04,051 --> 03:22:07,087
staff but it will be passed by council, so ultimately up to them what that process

1986
03:22:07,087 --> 03:22:11,095
looks like exactly. So, anyway, you will see it at least one more time, most likely,

1987
03:22:12,004 --> 03:22:16,096
um, and we're also will look be looking for. A couple of DRB members to uh participate

1988
03:22:16,096 --> 03:22:21,036
in the task force assuming that's the direction council wants to go. So, um, if you

1989
03:22:21,036 --> 03:22:25,079
have any, anybody wants to volunteer, let us know. Otherwise, we might start picking

1990
03:22:25,085 --> 03:22:27,075
folks volunteering.

1991
03:22:30,004 --> 03:22:35,077
Yeah, um, and I just wanted to give an update, um, on a procedural note. I was asked

1992
03:22:35,077 --> 03:22:42,041
by a member of the board about public comment and what happens when a member of the

1993
03:22:42,041 --> 03:22:49,006
public reaches out directly to DRB members, um, via email, so, um. You know you guys

1994
03:22:49,006 --> 03:22:54,083
are are well known in the community. Members certainly will email you about applications.

1995
03:22:55,025 --> 03:23:01,044
Um, I think the important thing to note is that you, this, you know, any application

1996
03:23:01,044 --> 03:23:05,084
that's before the board is generally a quasi-judicial item and so it needs to be

1997
03:23:05,084 --> 03:23:11,025
discussed inside of a public meeting. Um, you can respond to the responder that you

1998
03:23:11,025 --> 03:23:15,093
received their comment, but there shouldn't be any back and forth engagement with

1999
03:23:15,093 --> 03:23:20,097
that, um, with that member of the public, and that is due to our open open meeting

2000
03:23:20,097 --> 03:23:25,017
laws. So if you have any questions on that, if you have concerns, if you're being

2001
03:23:25,017 --> 03:23:31,053
contacted by, um, a member of the public, not just via email. This also applies to,

2002
03:23:31,071 --> 03:23:36,074
you know, out on the street or at a, at a cocktail party or anything like that. Um,

2003
03:23:36,091 --> 03:23:41,086
the, the response needs to be, hey, I understand you have concerns about this. This

2004
03:23:41,086 --> 03:23:45,062
is a quasi-judicial item and I'm not to be speaking about this outside of a public

2005
03:23:45,062 --> 03:23:50,000
hearing. Not that anyone broke any of those rules. It's just a nice reminder the

2006
03:23:50,000 --> 03:23:54,044
question was asked. And so that I thought that I would, you know, just kind of reiterate

2007
03:23:54,068 --> 03:23:59,037
to everybody that you guys do hold a position of, you know, trust in this community

2008
03:23:59,068 --> 03:24:05,003
and it's important that we have the, the, you know, substantive discussions around

2009
03:24:05,003 --> 03:24:10,003
these active applications inside the public meeting so that everybody is aware of

2010
03:24:10,003 --> 03:24:11,023
the discussions that are happening.

2011
03:24:14,009 --> 03:24:21,072
Great, thanks. Anybody have anything else? Motion to adjourn. We have a motion on

2012
03:24:21,072 --> 03:24:23,016
the floor. Is there a second?

2013
03:24:29,049 --> 03:24:36,032
We have a second further discussion. All in favor to adjourn. I, I, I can't, I can't

2014
03:24:36,032 --> 03:24:42,012
see Ellen's recruiter, Ellen. Thank you. Thank you all. Affirmative. Bye.