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Okay, after we stand and join me in the
pledge of allegiance, please

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allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Thank you.

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Um, number one, this evening our um our
video uh AV videographer is out ill and

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so we will be um recording the meeting.
the controller, the uh clerk will be

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recording the meeting on her laptop and
we will be posting that entire

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transcript, the entire um sound record
of this meeting on the Facebook page and

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making it available to the public so
that we are recording this meeting so

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that it can be reviewed at a later time.
But unfortunately due to illness um it

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will not be uh there will be no video
recording of this meeting. So, um, also

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let's see, uh, welcome to the second of
the three working sessions of the Muny

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City Council finance committee. These
working sessions are being held strictly

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for the purpose of gathering and
processing a lot of detailed information

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by asking questions of the department
heads regarding their proposed 2026

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budgets. No decisions will be made
regarding possible amendments to the

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budget ordinance and no action will be
uh will take place. Therefore, no public

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comment will be taken at this evening's
meeting. However, the public is welcomed

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and encouraged to provide in uh in input
at any of the five in-person

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opportunities before adoption takes
place. There is the public hearing on

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September the 8th before our regular
city council meeting. There are several

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times during the regular city council
meeting on the 8th. There are also um

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the final finance committee meeting on
Tuesday, September the 23rd. And then

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there will be an opportunity before
adoption to uh make public comment at

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our October 6th meeting. Uh the public
is also of course welcome to contact any

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and all of us uh by email as any and
often times as you'd like before now and

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then. Um we do welcome your input.
Next so many things. Um, we have a

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situation where one of the department
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on the 9th. And so I would like to
entertain a motion to suspend the rules

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and add the clerk's uh report as well as
uh city council report and channel 60 to

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this evening's agenda so we can discuss
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» So move second.
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» All right. We have a motion by council
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person Golian. Thank you, gentlemen. I'm
not here to take that one. Um, do we

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need to do a roll call on the suspension
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» I would assume Selby.
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» Golian,
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» Garrett,
>> yes.

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» Macintosh,
>> yes.

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» Basham,
>> yes.

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» Dishman,
>> not here. Green,

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» here.
>> Yes.

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» Mason,
>> yes.

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» And Powell,
>> thank you. And I think I skipped um roll

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call, so we'll go back to that and do
that. got so good lasting I forgot to

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say who's here. So
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» present
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» here.
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» here.
>> Dishman not here. Garrett

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» here.
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» here.
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» here.
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» here.
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» here.
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» Okay. So having suspended the rules and
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evening's meeting, we will start with
the clerk.

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Thank you very much, Belinda. That is on
page two of your 2025 and 2026 budgets.

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[Applause]
Hold on. Let us all get situated with

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all of our papers and then we will
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Okay.
Thank you for uh suspending the rules so

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I could speak this evening. I have a
fire engagement that conflict for next

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Tuesday

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[Applause]
and um I was when I was reviewing what

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was advertised.
>> Let's make sure that microphone is on so

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that we can get
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organized.
>> You're fine. We're going to we're going

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to wait for just a moment. We have some
technical difficulties that we can

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» Good.
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» Thank you.
>> What what we're going to hold on for a

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moment before you start that. Um the
clerk's office starts on page two

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» of both the 25 and 26 budgets.
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Are all committee members ready or
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» Gotcha.
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and ready to try and catch up. Okay.
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» Um, good evening and thank you for
amending the rules so I could speak this

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evening kind of commitment next Tuesday.
I was looking at the advertised

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budget and I noticed that there were
some changes from what I actually

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originally submitted. I'm sure there's a
typo there, but uh I did provide

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everyone a copy of
what I had drafted. Does everyone have

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that?
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» Okay. Um I'll point out some of the some
of the items that were reduced. Now,

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overall, my budget is lower than last
year's because I

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» I do need to let you know that we cannot
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And so that the the totals that we
discussed tonight are going to be on

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what was advertised in the newspaper.
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» Okay. I just wanted to make sure that
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» Oh, I I'm aware. I've known that for
years. Um the uh but there are but my

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overall budget is lower than last year's
because I have two employees that are

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not using the insurance currently. So
the the difference is over 42,000

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uh from last year to this year. But
there are some some things that again

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that I had
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I reduced was overtime.
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um00 and again the insurance is down by
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12 from last year and I reduced the
unemployment by a,000 from

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» yes from 2000 um see here postage I
increased partially because we do uh in

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the clerk's office aside from supporting
the council we support the court we are

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now doing certified mail for the
building commissioner for the trash um

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notice. You can't collect on debt if you
don't have a judgment, which means it

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has to go through court. Certified mail
has gone up to almost $10 an envelope.

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So, I increased that by a thousand. I am
trying to work on um finding

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some support to have reimbursement and
there is in the software the option to

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get reimbursed for certified mail but
not at your city court only for circuit.

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So there's there's some legislation that
needs that will actually help with the

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line item if we that would completely
wipe that out if we actually can do

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something about that. But right now I
had to increase it by a thousand

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So those are
the actual changes I've made and then um

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but as you said you can't raise
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» I have
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along those lines is an additional
appropriation after January 1st. Well, I

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have an option. What we could do because
of the perpetuation fund, which I have a

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surplus, I could zero out an item that's
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we could use that money to offset the
>> again, we cannot increase any line items

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until January. So that is an option that
we could do in January but but

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unfortunately state budgetary you know
statute regulations

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18 more that
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» right so but I'm presenting an option
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actually use for perpetuation and we
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to offset what I had actually submitted
>> is that an option that you're proposing

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for January
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what I would like to propose.
>> Unfortunately, no. We cannot raise any

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line items. So, I I'm sorry, Madam
Chair. Is that is that a line item? We

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can't raise any line item.
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We cannot increase any line items that
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» Yes.
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state law. Um if they I think I can't
remember what year it was but several

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years ago the previous council tried to
increase the line item to move some

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rainy day fund into animal shelter for
increased food and the entire budget

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gets gets pushed out. That's not an
option because if your budget gets

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rejected it's not just that you fall
back to these line items. It's also that

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any increases in tax dollars is
forfeited. You go back to exactly what

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you have and so we won't let that
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» Right.
>> Okay. Good. So that's that's

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» I just wanted a clarification.
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apologize again, but that's that's not
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» So if I wanted to take the equipment
rental and repair maintenance, that's

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9,000 and use perpetuation money to fund
that. I couldn't use that 9,000 to cover

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the other.
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» That's fine. No, I'm just go ahead. If
you want to go ahead and say, "I will

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reduce this." But honestly, I would not
do that at this time. I would not

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voluntarily give up money that you plan
on using for something else at this

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time. I would wait until January.
>> Oh, that's fine. I'm just presenting the

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information that I have.
>> I appreciate that. And I don't know why

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your budget wasn't submitted as
presented as an elected official. That's

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not council or the finance committee's
situation. We did not change this budget

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at all. That would be a conversation to
have with the administration.

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» Oh, I'm sure it's a typo
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» Um, I did have one question. As of June
30th, you'd only spent 3% of training,

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travel, and fees. Is that something that
you do reg uh toward the end of the year

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or is that just something that as of
right now you just haven't used it or

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» and again these are June June 30th,
correct?

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» No, as of right now, I did send some of
my staff to training. Okay. Um,

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actually, and I would like to point out
some things about my staff, which is why

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I actually had suggested, and I know
you're not funding it, a 5% raise for

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them because we are they are doing
excellent work. They are.

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» I have court staff that are being asked
to train out of county. Um, Lacy's taken

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on some other responsibilities. So, a
lot of times when Lacy um would go on

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her lunch breaks or if she wasn't busy
doing council items, she would work the

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front. She doesn't have that opportunity
anymore because she's busier now.

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» So, that takes a person off of the floor
to help with answering questions at the

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window or taking phone calls. But I do
have staff that are, like I said, asked

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to train in other courts. So, uh, my
staff are doing excellent right now.

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Very proud, very proud of them. And they
do deal with more of the general public

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than any other office here in the
building. Um, and and often it's not

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very pleasant. I'll be honest. They get,
you know, people come in to pay fines

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that they're not happy about. So, they
get a lot of hostility. And I, um, very

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proud of how they handle the situations.
I like I like how things are going. Uh,

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the most recent hire has been a good
fit. We're fully staffed right now. So,

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it's it's been a great it's been a great
year. The training um I have not been

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able to attend as many trainings this
year because of some

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um
family issues,

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but um
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next year we'll be able to do that more.
What I would like to do if I cannot

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personally attend some of the trainings,
I'd like to send word my staff. I sent

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some to court training this year and
they had a wonderful time. Brought back

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a lot of good information which we
shared with the court. Okay. So, uh it's

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a good working environment and um I'd
love to do more of that. But yes, the we

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didn't spend very much of that this
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» I wanted to touch on something you said.
You said you're fully staffed right now.

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» Do you intend to stay that way through
the end of the year so that this hiring

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freeze that happens in January will not
affect your staff?

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» I hope not.
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» I mean, I can't predict the future,
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mean we we've done a a good job training
the new hires. She's an excellent fit.

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Uh I hopefully hopefully we don't have
those problems. I had I've had some

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years where we
just had some changes in staffing.

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» Okay. Um anyone up here have questions
for the clerk? Right ahead.

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» Let's start let's start with you council
person Salvi. Thank you. are welcome.

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» Uh your electricity 2375
compared to do you occupy most of that

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area right?
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» because the judges when I compare I
think it was 500

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electricity.
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footage. I I don't know what her charges
are compared to ours. We I mean we have

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the uh the common area. There are four
people in it. Lacy has an office. I have

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an office and Ruby has an office and
then we had the file room which as a

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slashfile room slash break room.
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» Um when I when we first when I first got
my first term we scanned uh every court

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document every file. There are some
things that I legally have to keep the

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ordinance the original ordinances and
there are certain documents that I can't

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scan and throw out. Then there's
retention rules of course, but anything

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we could scan, we square footage wise, I
don't I don't really know.

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» And I know the controller mentioned that
eventually everybody will be square foot

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away, you know, regarding like even
fairly even now. Hopefully in the

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future,
>> honestly, I could probably use some more

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room for storage with the the other uh
boards that Lacy's supporting. We're

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we're going to probably need more file
space

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eventually. Not this year. I'm sure
that's something you'll probably have to

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bring up with.
>> That's going to be a future issue,

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» not us.
>> Right.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. That's it. Councilman Garrett,

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» your postage um when you took over the
postage for the building commissioner's

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office, is that the the trash, the
grass, the tall grass, is that

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everything or is it just one?
>> Like, do you send out certified mail for

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» We're not doing all of that right now.
We're just starting. We're just we're

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just transitioning in. Um and I think
we're we've worked we're trying to work

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out where we were trying to work out
where they would pay for the postage,

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but um ideally it it would be better if
all of it just came through my office

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and we got reimbursed.
>> The software actually allows for that.

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You can actually charge for that on a
case if you file a case, but it's only

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if your circuit, it's not if you're
city. The same thing happened with

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overpayment. So, uh, we had circuit
courts could take up to $3 in overp

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payment. So, if somebody pays a ticket
and they're 50 cents, 25 cents, uh, a

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dollar, or up to three, we would have to
refund that money. Well, the stamp and

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the envelope and the check cost more
than a 50 cent refund, which happens. It

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would happen a lot to have a 50. So, I
was able to talk to some legislators and

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they changed that to where the city
court can can keep that instead of

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sending out those checks out. I'd like
to do the same thing with the certified

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mail.
>> Yes.

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» All right. Yeah. I just wanted to know
if you had taken on all of it.

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» Not completely. And we all know when you
you tag those properties and you lean

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that it's uh it's a kind of a shot in
the dark if we get paid or not from

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that. So
>> well but you can't collect so with the

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judgments.
So you have someone that goes to court

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for grass,
>> right?

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» They can't collect overdue fines and
fees until there's a court hearing and a

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judgment on the case. And then you have
a time frame after that that you can

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actually send it to collection. What
we're trying to do is set it up to where

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we can actually set it uh collect it
like we did with parking.

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» Oh, okay. Okay.
>> Um right now there wasn't anything. So

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the the judges worked that out with the
building commissioner. Our office is pro

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providing that support so we can
actually collect on those people that

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never paid their fines or fees.
>> Oh, okay. Good. Good.

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» But there is a statute of limitations on
those things too. So, like after a

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certain period of time, you can't
collect, but that's what we're working

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on. Yeah.
>> Well, did you have a followup? I'm

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sorry. And then your uh Oh, never mind.
Wait, hold on.

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» I just hit someone else. I'm sorry.
>> You're fine. Well, I do have

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» Okay, I'll talk while you find it.
>> Got it. And then um I've been noticed

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that you know just because of SB1 and
things are tight uh telephone 4,275

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and just educate me what does that mean?
>> I'm not

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» we the phone bills is
>> oh we don't have I don't have a cell

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phone. We don't have a personal cell
phone. It's all through the office.

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» Okay. So these are all for landlines.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. And then Councilman Bash.
>> Thank you. um you know, we're all uh

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being asked to do more with less and I I
understand the frustration and I want to

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commend you because um when I look at
your budget performance report

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throughout every line item, we're about
60% of the year and you fall well within

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that 60 50 70%.
However, when we're looking for ways to

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come up with other income, I noticed
that um item is it uh printing and

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advertising and also um other services
and charges are just at 9%. Meaning that

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you're you've only spent 9% of all those
dollars. And I wonder if you had a

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chance to look at those lines to see if
maybe you could move some things around

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where they are needed more in
>> Are you looking at the income statement

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or what what are you looking at?
>> I'm looking at the budget performance

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report from this last year's budget. And
when you look at last year's budget to

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help you decide what you're going to ask
for this year, it's really helpful for

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me to look at this report to see what
percentages of each line have been spent

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at this point in time. I know that's
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» you say other services and charges.
>> Yeah. and you know that there's a

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there's a few hundred dollars, maybe
even $1,000, and you can go through

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those lines um for your long um
performance report. And again, because

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it's early tonight, I didn't have a
chance to really study it, but you know.

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» Okay. No, I I have it here. Um a lot of
times towards the end of the year now,

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what was the date on what was the final
date?

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» That was my next question. For
clarification, what what budget forms

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are you using? Is that June 30th?
>> Um, it's uh No, it's 9425.

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» All right. You got the update today.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Um,
sometimes we use that to cover the

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equipment, rental, repair, and
maintenance. And sometimes we uh will

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use that other services or charges to
cover if we are over in another area.

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» Sure. It's kind of like a
>> I know. I just noticed those little

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things.
>> I just perused it because I didn't look

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good on you tonight. perfectly fine.
It's it's a buffer for some of the other

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expenses that come up. It It could end
up being used in postage depending on

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what we end up at the end of the year.
>> Well, you do a great job and your people

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are are terrific.
>> I have great staff. I'm very proud of

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them.
>> All right. Well, I appreciate you coming

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in and and making the giving us an
opportunity to review your budget. And

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as far as the other options that you
were discussing, those will be things we

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need to discuss in January.
>> That's perfectly fine. I just wanted to

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present my information and um thank you
for suspending and letting me speak this

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evening.
>> Absolutely.

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» I have a question.
>> Oh, I'm so sorry. One moment.

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» One question for me on your uh deputy
clerks that you have. Are they salary or

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are they hourly and how many do you
have?

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» They're salary. I have the deputy chief.
I have Lacy, which is a council

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secretary. And I have four that are um
just considered chief deputies.

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» Deputy clerks.
>> Deputy. Yeah. I mean,

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» so they are all salary.
>> Yes. And longevity. We have Oh gosh, I

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can't think. Uh

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four with long you
>> the deputy clerks are hourly and then

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the chief deputy I'm sorry salary,
>> right? And then yeah, there's four.

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Okay.
>> Okay. Clarifies. Thank you.

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» So to follow up on that, the chief
deputy clerk increased significantly and

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we're not talking about any kind of
reductions there, but I just want to

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clarify that that would be the 1% that
was adopted into the budget last October

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and then the 4% that was added at a
later time for this year to do the 5%

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this year and then another 4%
that you were instructed to add. No. Um,

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let me convoluted, but
>> let me find my paper.

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» It was hard to follow.
>> Well,

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» well, what what
I was trying to come up with the budget,

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we were told um
>> to do 4%. I did

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» hoping that I could help my staff out
because they are doing extra work.

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» And um so I was looking at the salary
ordinance and I was looking at the

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adopted budget and the numbers didn't
match.

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» No, they don't. They don't. Um, so I
honestly that's if you look at even like

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my FICA, Medicare and Perf based on the
numbers I use, not what was advertised,

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the numbers are off. They're a little
higher because I was I was adding

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longevity and you have to factor in
whether they're

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it it was complicated.
>> We're not questioning any of that. We

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know that that it's not a a cut and dry
formula. There are so many variables as

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we all learned last year that could
could change so many things. You can't

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use a a cut formula.
>> But I mean as far as like the benefits

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of perf the Medicare and those things I
kind of leave that whatever numbers um

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payroll
they're the experts in that I give they

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give me the percentage and I try to add
that in to be as close as possible. But

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the salary ordinance and what was in the
there were just some slight differences.

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So
I went with the salary ordinance because

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I
>> un unfortunately and we established that

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last year the salary ordinances would
not match what was adopted into the

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budget what we've appropriated into line
items. Salary ordinance is just a

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maximum of what can be paid but not what
is appropriated into line items. So

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» we should be going by what council
appropriated into line items.

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» Okay. Um, well, I appreciate the
clarification,

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» but that's the way it should be legally,
>> right? So,

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okay. No, I appreciate the clarification
because like I again, I was just trying

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to figure out which formula to use
>> to come up with and I just I just chose

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Chief Deputy Click. I'm sorry if I cut
you off.

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» Oh, that's fine. I just chose that one
because it almost fits perfectly into

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last October, council adopted a budget
that had 1% which is what the

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administration told council they would
do a max of at that time when we were

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going through the budget.
>> Um, and then after the fact they gave 4%

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to ask me, I'm guessing. I don't know
how that all worked, but everybody got a

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5% raise, I guess, um, last year. And so
that would have been the 1% plus 4% and

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then this year I'm understanding they
were you're instructed to add 4% salary

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increase for next year. And that's what
I just was clarifying that that's kind

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of the formula you used in calculating
some of these increases

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because they're much larger than just a
normal.

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» Right. Well, I'll be honest because the
because of the differences,

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» what I did was I had all of my staff
pull up their payroll and I actually

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looked at what it actually said they got
on the payroll

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um because I couldn't re I apologize I
couldn't figure out

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» No, it's okay.
using the salary ordinances, which are

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the max you can be paid. Almost every
line item that's in the budget that that

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we we appropriated money for will run
out of money at some point in time

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without an additional appropriation
because they're paying above what we

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appropriated into those line items.
>> Right.

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» But um no, I just wondered if that's the
calculations you used. Um we can talk

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about the other things in January. I
honestly um

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what
I I did it several different ways. I I

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did it I did the numbers three different
times and but ultimately council has

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control of the budget. So whatever you
guys decide, I'm 100% supporting

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whatever your decision is. I I would
like my staff to get paid better and if

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I can find a way to do that
uh within the the rules

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» I would like to do that for them
>> again and and then we'll move on but

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that you know we cannot increase
anything this year. So

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» I know.
>> All right. Thank you very much for your

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time.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. Next we will move on if
everyone's ready to the mayor and his

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budget starts on page three of both 2025
and 2026.

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Mayor Ryower, we'll welcome you to the
front. I will ask you to make sure

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you're speaking into the microphone.
>> Let's make sure it's still

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» um is not here this evening due to
illness and so we are recording this

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meeting on a laptop and that will be
posted to the Facebook page at a later

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time.
And let's make sure one last thing is

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that we are not talking any more than we
have to because we don't want to

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interrupt the recording.
>> We don't want to conflict. So,

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» all right.
>> Good evening.

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» Good evening,
>> Mayor Dan Rydenower.

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Um, I think the adjustments
on my budget um none of the items uh

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within the budget other than uh salary
had the adjustments. We just have a 4%

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uh increase as all employees are
getting. Um, and then the PEF was

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considerably lower uh because we no
longer have uh Deputy Mayor ID.

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» Okay.
Your part I'll go ahead and go ahead.

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» I was just going to ask before we really
get started is what what formula did you

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use to for the wages and raises?
>> Um 4% over this

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» but just like as as chairman Powell was
asking.

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» Yeah. 4%. Well, but my sentence was
what? 4% over the salary ordinance.

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» The salary ordinance.
>> Yes. Because the executive does have the

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authority during the year to add uh
income or subtract uh income and we did

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that when we received actually when the
when the police and fire received their

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increase, we did a new salary ordinance
for them. And then a month later, we

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brought in the one that's for the
employees which was unanimously approved

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by this council. So, we use the we use
the salary ordinance. If the budgets are

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necessary, then we will before the end
of the year get an updated

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appropriations if if it's necessary.
>> Before the end of the year,

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» if you'll be moving money into those
line items to cover those salaries, that

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will be necessary.
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If if if

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that looks like it will be the case, we
will definitely do that.

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» All right. Um,
so let's see.

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Your part-time went up. Is that you have
>> I believe that's 4%.

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» Yeah,
>> 4% on part-time. Is that a designated

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part-time employee or is that
>> It is a designated part-time employee.

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» Okay.
>> We did not I'm not increasing that

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person's actual receiving amount. Um,
but it went up 4%.

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» So that the hourly wage went up 4%. No,
the hourly wage will remain the same,

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but that
>> they will just be working more to

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generate the
>> that will allow that. Yes,

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» it's not a lot of time,
>> just a few hours actually.

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» And then looking at the and I'm looking
at the June 6th report. Your overtime

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overtime, you've only spent 19% of your
overtime budget as of the middle of the

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year. June the third. uh is that
something that you're not using a lot of

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and could potentially be surrendered to?
>> We have been uh especially with

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everything that's going on with Senate
Bill One, we're trying to be as careful

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as we can and that is an area that is
easily controlled by a department and so

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I have been pretty strict. I don't know
what the 94 number is. I I don't receive

416
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,000
that from uh the controller as you guys
do before your meetings. But uh

417
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,799
» okay,
>> we're as careful as we can because we

418
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:32,080
know I don't want to have to appropriate
u if we can if we can and and save

419
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:37,279
money. Therefore, uh we try and be
careful on that item.

420
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:43,600
» And and 6% of gas and oil at June 30th,
is that is gas and oil considered that

421
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:48,880
automotive gas and oil? Because that
seems like a very small percentage of

422
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:54,080
that line item for June. I believe
that's um I'd have to I

423
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,519
» 31 now.
>> Is it?

424
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,440
» Okay.
>> Okay.

425
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,399
» All right. All right.
>> Again,

426
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,760
thank you. Um
>> 62. I'm sorry,

427
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:10,960
» mayor. I'm I'm glad you're here. Could
you just recap real quick as

428
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:17,360
the leader of the city
since this is being recorded, how will

429
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:22,080
SB1 levy caps affect the long-term
staffing needs?

430
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:27,039
» Oh, I think it it has a negative impact.
Um, and um I um have had conversations

431
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,039
with many mayors and many county
officials. It has a negative impact and

432
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:36,320
the and the schools as well has a
negative impact. We've got we've got to

433
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:41,519
we'll have to come up with ways in the
future. We're covered this year and next

434
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:46,960
year uh because of edit funds
but uh in 28 it will be u if if we

435
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:53,360
haven't to come up with new methods and
new techniques to figure out how to

436
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:56,799
operate with fewer people um
we will have to do some drastic things

437
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:01,679
in 28
>> or or maybe shared staff or something

438
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:07,519
between the department. down.
>> There could be some of that. Uh it gets

439
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:13,440
complic complicated, but um that's
certainly something we we off we do now

440
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:19,039
in a lot of ways. Um my office pays for
a lot of the office supplies uh that are

441
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,039
kind of third floor,
>> but

442
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,200
» that's okay. That's how it's been
budgeted and we're happy to keep it that

443
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:28,640
way.
>> Yeah, it looks like your budget is

444
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:33,760
maintaining the operation. I would say
>> due to SB1. So, thank you for that.

445
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,480
» We're we're trying.
>> I have a question for you.

446
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:43,519
» Sure. Council person Green.
>> Um on the promotion of businesses, um

447
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:49,440
you got a line item of $5,200. Could you
explain to us how this exactly works and

448
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:55,200
what that money is used for?
>> Sure. Sure. That could be um a marketing

449
00:33:52,559 --> 00:34:00,240
piece that markets the city uh to
organizations that are looking to

450
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:07,440
expand. uh that could be me going and
meeting with an organization. Uh uh so

451
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:12,639
it's it's promoting the city but a lot
of it is a lot of it is advertising

452
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:17,919
andor pieces that we use to share with
organizations that are looking to

453
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:22,800
looking at cities okay as possible
locations as possible places to invest

454
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,159
their funds.
That's that's what I always viewed that

455
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,440
as
the the purpose of that particular line

456
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:33,839
item.
>> Thank you.

457
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:37,520
» Um,
anyone? Okay. So, you brought up the

458
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:41,200
edit funds and I know at your press
conference the other day you said that

459
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,919
you were going to be subsidizing the
general fund budget with $900,000

460
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,200
of edit. Correct?
>> That's the plan. Yeah.

461
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:59,440
» Okay. Well, we appreciate that. Um I
hold on one second.

462
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:05,839
The um edit dollars actually went up
or will go up about

463
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:14,320
$1.9 million. That's what I'm seeing
from estimate uh miscellaneous revenue.

464
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:19,520
So, even with the 900,000 that you're
going to be subsidizing

465
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:23,920
um the the general fund, you'll still
have a million more this next year than

466
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,599
this. Correct.
>> That would be correct.

467
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,320
» All right.
>> Yep. There are there are um there are

468
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:38,640
liabilities. Uh for example, the fire
station uh that is all paid out of edit.

469
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Um the fire the next fire station is
also planned to be paid out of edit. Um

470
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:49,520
so and the income taxes are what the
state assets to us based on the incomes.

471
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,760
We have had rising incomes in the city
of Muny. We have grown in population in

472
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,560
the city of Muny. All of that makes a
difference in those edit funds and

473
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,359
that's that's how come that is going up
is we have higher incomes more people in

474
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:08,079
the city and more income within the
city. President Mason,

475
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:13,119
» with the with the increase of the
million dollar surplus, does that mean

476
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:15,760
that the $500,000 for the community
center is still in play?

477
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,880
» That is in play.
>> That's wonderful to hear.

478
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,839
» That is in play.
>> Absolutely.

479
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:25,280
» Okay.
All right.

480
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,720
Council,
>> mayor, could you just um the part-time

481
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:34,160
position? What What kind of position is
that? mostly answering the phone but

482
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:38,960
also does a lot of the expenses uh for
the city and then does miscellaneous

483
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,720
activities for the city engineer does
miscellaneous activities uh for me. Um,

484
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,760
so
>> administrative type.

485
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:52,800
» Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Anyone else have questions for

486
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Mayor Ridenower?
>> And and I do want to thank you for going

487
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:04,480
and advocating to squash Senate Bill
One. Uh, I mean, it was a bipartisan.

488
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,599
» So, I appreciate you and I have continue
to do that.

489
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,640
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for that. All right. Thank you

490
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,560
for your time this evening.
>> Thank you.

491
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:16,960
» Okay. We will move on to board of works
which I believe Craig right we're going

492
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:22,000
to pull you up here and keep you for a
little bit of time.

493
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:26,160
The board of works is on page five of
both your 20

494
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:32,400
26
>> 20 years 2026 and 2025 budget.

495
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,599
» It's kind of going in. Yes,
>> it's muting itself after so long.

496
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:43,079
» So board of works page five.
All right. Um, let me get where I

497
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Okay.

498
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,240
» All right. First thing we notice is that
you've moved all of the health insurance

499
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,200
expenses for the general fund into
>> the board of works

500
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:04,400
» into the board of works. And I I think
that will will be beneficial. It's

501
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,720
something we tried to do before. Um
C

502
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,560
» could you go into detail about that and
tell us more about the reasoning behind

503
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,320
that?
>> Well, we're just uh trying to

504
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:19,680
consolidate every it's easier to control
like when you get uh for the claims and

505
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:23,839
stuff. You got to start separating it
into departments instead of just taking

506
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:28,720
it out of the line. So simplifies.
>> Yep. Good. But we will still see and we

507
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:32,480
we did see health insurance line items
in other funds that are not under that

508
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,079
for departments that don't fall under
the general fund. Correct. Okay.

509
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,359
» I just wanted to explain that's why you
saw that's why you would see those

510
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:46,880
coming up.
>> Um what comprises other insurance for

511
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,760
works? These are just mostly some
procedural questions.

512
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:55,359
» Yeah. the other other insurance you'll
have like you got uh audits at the the

513
00:38:52,400 --> 00:39:03,680
insurance companies do that uh we'll
take it out of that they do uh uh

514
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:09,359
workers comp audits and uh the uh other
insuranceances or um general liabilities

515
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:16,079
etc.
>> Okay. And then kind of following on what

516
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:20,880
council person Salvi asked of um
uh the clerks, there's a telephone. Is

517
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:27,520
this just when we see telephone in these
different departments, is this just a a

518
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,800
main telephone bill that is sparsed out
based on square footage.

519
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,480
» It was se it was Yeah. was done that
years ago

520
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,400
» cuz I I just just was curious and so
that

521
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:43,839
» is it square footage or number of
>> items instruments or is it is I know

522
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,280
square footage as an is an issue with
insurance

523
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:51,040
» I don't think so because council has I
mean there are departments that don't

524
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,440
have board of works where would your
phone be

525
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,079
so
>> okay

526
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:02,480
» event well eventually all the utilities
that not including the sanitary district

527
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:06,560
will be folded into the board of works.
So that

528
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:11,680
» just like for budgeting purposes, but
since sanitary district pays for their

529
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:17,240
own, we have to parse out what their
part of the utilities and such and

530
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,480
» which
>> you also have like the animal shelter

531
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:29,359
that's kind of
>> All right. Yes, please. Does that

532
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:34,960
include internet too in that in the
telephone or am I

533
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:40,160
» okay technology aside
>> okay and then um the line item repair to

534
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:46,240
buildings what what does that cover
>> repairs to city hall any major repairs

535
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,040
» right elevators any repairs
>> that would come out of that

536
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,520
» become necessary
>> I think the work in the basement uh

537
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,640
would come out of that
>> for the police department um council

538
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,240
I have a question concerning that uh
very line item.

539
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,240
» Sure.
>> The repairs to the building. Uh there

540
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:12,240
are state and federal grants that are
available for repairs and infrastructure

541
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:17,920
and improvements. Have you uh tried to
apply for any of those? And if so, are

542
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:23,680
there any other funding mechanisms
available that you're aware of uh to

543
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:29,520
help offset that rather large cost?
Yeah, I have I haven't applied for him.

544
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:34,400
How ever. Uh we do have an individual
that does look into grants that does a

545
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,359
great job that uh be something moving
forward.

546
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:40,480
» Okay. Haven't found anything yet.
>> No.

547
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:46,800
» Okay. Do I have another question?
>> Absolutely. Council Green,

548
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:52,480
» a question on the electric bill. Uh I'm
assuming that that includes it's all

549
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:57,200
inclusive of all the different buildings
that are owned by the city and their

550
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:02,240
electric will also does that include
street lights,

551
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,240
city lights, signals and all.
>> Yeah, there's one particular

552
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,720
electric bill that is for traffic
signals. It's $42,000 a month. So that's

553
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,640
almost $500,000 right there.
>> And that's on average is tra traffic

554
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,359
signals and street lights. Does that
come out of board of works or does that

555
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,760
come out of streets because I know they
have looked at that on T. Okay. All

556
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
right.
>> So, was that come May?

557
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:27,119
» No, please go ahead.
>> Was that coming out of board of works?

558
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:33,599
Have you looked into the possibility of
different alternative

559
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:37,599
» uh sources of electricity? We have those
that are available.

560
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,319
» Uh solar,
>> wind,

561
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:48,640
» well, we we tried solar. That didn't
work out for us. So, um, but,

562
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:52,480
uh, no, we I mean I don't know that we
don't own the electric lines. That's the

563
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:57,920
electric company. So, I don't know how
that would work as far as electric as

564
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:03,280
electricity production or the type of
electricity. It comes from a

565
00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:06,800
» cuz they own them,
>> right? I understand that. But if we may

566
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,839
continue,
>> please. It's all building on the same

567
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:18,079
question.
>> Okay. It's uh an opportunity to draw in

568
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,560
free electricity and store it and we
could have a substation and then put it

569
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:26,400
back on the grid. Um is that something
that the administration may be

570
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,240
considering that we could do that to
help reduce it? This is a large line

571
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:35,839
item and it' be nice to reduce that
number.

572
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:39,440
» Yeah, I it's I and I'm sure I know that
it's getting looked at.

573
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:43,440
» Okay. All right. Thank you. So, council
person green, are you advocating for a

574
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,960
solar arm? Is that what you're doing?
>> I'm advocating for all of them.

575
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:53,280
» We have we have we have a large property
on 8th Street. We

576
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,760
» Let's
move on to council.

577
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,839
» No, no, I just wanted to say I like I
may I make a comment or no?

578
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,319
» Absolutely.
>> Okay. The comment is regarding solar and

579
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,760
I really appreciate the council here
keep bringing it up at every opportunity

580
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:15,200
as a way to reduce and if I may speak
for myself but you guys can we support I

581
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:19,920
support the administration to keep doing
whatever I know it didn't work on the

582
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:25,119
last council with the last council but
looking at this council I think um you

583
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,680
have people who would support that so
thank you for keep trying and I know you

584
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:34,560
guys have been trying thank Okay.
>> Um, council person,

585
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:40,560
» you said you tried out solar.
>> How how can you How didn't it work?

586
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,680
» Uh, the council voted it down.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

587
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:48,079
» Uh, at the Chevy plant.
>> Yep. Solar field.

588
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:54,880
» Have we Sure. Sure. when have you looked
into like um what the cost is for the

589
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,880
I'd like the solar little solar panels
to go on top of the street lights and

590
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,240
everything like that to what like do we
know what that would be?

591
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,599
» Yeah. Well, I can't give you a dollar
figure, but if you go to Canon Commons,

592
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,920
those are solar lights.
>> Okay.

593
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,400
» So, when we have those opportunities
now, that was paid for by Edit.

594
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,599
» Okay.
>> But, um and in partnership with C.

595
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,359
» Yep. Um, so we always appreciate Rick
Ziggler, but those those were solar. I

596
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:25,280
wanted to mention as far as searching
for solar, uh, we did apply for multiple

597
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:31,440
grants. They're all very were very
competitive, and we were granted $3.6

598
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:39,520
million for that 8th Street Field in a
grant. Uh, but those funds were pulled

599
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:42,960
by the new by Doge. So, uh, and so we
were one of six cities that got that

600
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:49,520
grant. we were going to be able to put
in a field for all of those 55 acres.

601
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,040
Um, but that went away. So, we've
continued to look for opportunities,

602
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,359
especially since the last council did
vote down the solar option, which would

603
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,800
have generated over at this point would
have been about $590,000

604
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:08,880
into the general fund, but uh that is no
longer an option. and the the amounts

605
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:14,079
that the utilities are allowed to pay
Cuh customers who put in solar fields

606
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,000
has now dropped substantially and to
where it's not economically viable

607
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,160
because I was going to use edit funds
and put in a partial solar field but it

608
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:26,640
would take over 50 years to get that
money back.

609
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:31,119
» Um and so we we looked for grants and we
were granted we were one of six cities

610
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:36,880
in Indiana that got and we got $3.6
million.

611
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:40,400
um but that was pulled back um as they
didn't want to didn't want to do that.

612
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:46,319
And so we continue to look for that
opport those opportunities and for other

613
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:51,440
grants. Uh there are there aren't a lot
of grant opportunities out there to help

614
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:56,079
people with help cities with building
maintenance. Uh that's just not

615
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,960
something that's pretty very exciting.
um it might be for us, but it's not

616
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,680
something for a federal government or a
state government to say, "Hey, we will

617
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:12,000
help you pay for X, Y, and Z." Uh they
will they're happy to do that or or help

618
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:17,280
individuals who are on the lower income
scale to help with paying for utility.

619
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:22,560
It's we're finding that's not uh we're
not finding very many options for grants

620
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,520
in that area. These two are not have not
been part of that process. I just

621
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,079
thought I'd come up and say that not we
have diligently looked for opportunities

622
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:37,599
and had one that we thought was going to
go in and even made the first cut

623
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:40,480
through uh the Doge um and they had
received that their money the

624
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,400
organization that we were going to get
those funds from but uh in the end it

625
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,160
got pulled in the second in the second
one. So that's why we never announced

626
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:50,720
it. This is kind of the first time I've
ever publicly announced that. That would

627
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:54,240
have
>> it would have been nice

628
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:58,400
» would have been nice. Uh but the amount
we would have received is far different

629
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:03,520
than we would have received back in 2022
because the utilities don't have to pay

630
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:07,839
as much. It has to go in it doesn't go
they didn't have to pay the same uh rate

631
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:12,800
that they were required to pay back in
that time. So it's adjusted but we

632
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:19,520
continue to look and as far as solar
we've we've we've talked it. It's just a

633
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:26,079
it's more expensive. Um, that's the
reality. It's more expensive to put on.

634
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:31,760
Um, it has a good return down the road,
but uh, it's it's just a real challenge.

635
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:34,400
I just want to say that we have not only
looked, but we were granted. All right.

636
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,359
And it was
>> We appreciate that clarification. We're

637
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:41,520
going to move on.
>> Um,

638
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:48,400
Miss Wright, health insurance, how much
did that increase? How overall, I mean,

639
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:52,400
for our entire city, how much Did we
budget for an increases in health?

640
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,559
» But actually, you mean as far as an
individual or total

641
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:57,920
» total?
>> Total actually we budgeted down

642
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,800
» budget down
>> rates in we got a better deal.

643
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:04,160
» And why is
>> Excuse me. That's all right. Council

644
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:09,200
person Dash.
>> Now could could you go into further

645
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:14,559
detail about that?
>> Why is Yeah, we changed providers.

646
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,599
That's given us a better deal.
>> Okay. Okay. And to follow up on that,

647
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,960
so we can expect that we won't be
increasing our health insurance premiums

648
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,200
for our employees?
>> No,

649
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,079
» we will not.
>> Good.

650
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,319
» Okay.
>> They're actually

651
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,440
» That's good news right there.
>> It's actually going down 13%.

652
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,880
» For our employees?
>> Yes.

653
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:35,200
» That's wonderful.
>> Yeah. And

654
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,480
» with comparable coverage or are we
unfortunately losing out on Dr.

655
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,800
» Same.
>> Basically the same.

656
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,920
» Okay.
>> I'm sorry for that.

657
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:48,880
» That's okay. You're fine. We're we're
we're working through uh council person

658
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:53,839
going you have a question on board works
>> I do um there are a couple things I'm

659
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:59,200
looking at the today's the budget
performance thank you for sending that M

660
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,960
um through today um toward the bottom of
this actually that were pretty low on

661
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,520
and a couple that were over on and I'm
just kind of wondering when we were

662
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,079
talking earlier about the other
insurance looks like he's only used 9%

663
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,760
of that
>> no that all cut towards the end of the

664
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,079
year
>> that's what I was going to ask is that

665
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,280
when the audits address and everything
Okay.

666
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:21,839
» All right. And then we're quite a bit
over on the just general other services

667
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,960
and charges. We're 159% already. Any
idea what why that is and what that's

668
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,280
for?
>> A lot of

669
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,559
» I know it's a lot of probably
miscellaneous, but

670
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,920
» it's it's legal a lot of legal fees that
we get that put get put into other

671
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,920
services charges.
>> Okay.

672
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:40,640
» Okay. One more question.
>> Yes. Board of work question from council

673
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,240
person Salvi.
>> Thank you.

674
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:49,760
Chair chair.
>> Uh um the communication fee that comes

675
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,599
from the board of works, right? With
Yeah. And that went up

676
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:57,680
» 10%. Is that right?
>> But the comm communication center is at

677
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:01,760
$1 million.
>> It's still the same. It didn't go up.

678
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:06,000
Okay.
>> Okay. Any other questions at this end

679
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:10,319
for board of works?
>> No. At this end. All right. So, we will

680
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:15,119
move on and we'll quickly go over the
city council budget which is on page

681
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,200
five.
We don't have a whole lot of us. So, um

682
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:23,119
» 4%
>> 4% salary increase. Um and

683
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:27,040
» unless you don't want it on it,
>> we'll see. We can help out. Um and the

684
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:32,000
only other thing I had is I would like
for you to kind of explain the city

685
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,960
council ethics commission $3,000 charge.
Um just so that people are aware that we

686
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:40,160
are taking on that expense. What is that
charge for?

687
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,240
» That's the
videotaping.

688
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,720
» Videaping the that
>> or the streaming. I I'm old school. So I

689
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,480
say streaming
>> and this year that is being covered by

690
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,400
our um our attorney has covered those
costs. So all right

691
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,440
» which yeah I kept your uh the you know
the attorney fees the same of course an

692
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:02,000
increase.
>> They should be all right. Any questions

693
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,040
about city council budget from any of
our finance committee members?

694
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:15,480
All right. And so then we will move on
to channel 60. And channel 60 is on page

695
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,480
18.

696
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:25,200
And that would uh as we turn to page 18,
uh channel 60 is another it is the um

697
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,740
communications director. Correct.
>> Yes.

698
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,280
» Okay.
[Applause]

699
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,760
So
>> no changes with the exception of the

700
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:40,240
pay. Well, it uh my first question is,
is there intention to fund this position

701
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:44,640
out of a general fund in 2026? Okay.
>> And the salary increase is more than

702
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:49,440
13%. Is there a reason why this salary
is 13% higher than it was scheduled uh

703
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:53,599
budgeted appropriated?
>> From the I took it from the salary

704
00:52:51,520 --> 00:53:00,000
ordinance that was the amended salary
ordinance and added 4% to it.

705
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:04,960
» Okay.
and we'll review that salary ordinance

706
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:09,280
and the minutes circulate uh that go
with that. And then um just for my own

707
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:13,520
clarification, so the funding was
eliminated for that position this year

708
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:17,680
out of the general fund, but we are
paying $18,000 from the general fund in

709
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,839
benefits for that position that was
eliminated.

710
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:26,960
But you the money was moved from the
money was moved from edit to that to pay

711
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:32,319
it because there weren't the the
benefits

712
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:37,839
weren't benefits lines in edit.
>> Well, let's see.

713
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,440
» I believe that to be I'll confirm that
with the with our

714
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,520
» Hold on one second and then I will open
for questions. But let me find it.

715
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:55,760
There's um life insurance, there's
health insurance, there's all of those.

716
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:00,480
So those you're saying that that's money
being paid for out of edit, but it's in

717
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:03,280
the general fund. So you've moved money
out of edit into the general fund this

718
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,520
year?
>> I believe that be the case. I can

719
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,640
confirm that for you.
>> Yeah. Could you confirm that and send

720
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,280
that that documentation to us? Thank
you.

721
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,839
» All right. Anyone else have questions
for channel 60?

722
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:23,359
No problem.
anyone. Okay. So then having

723
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:27,200
we'll move on to you controller and that
is on page one.

724
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:33,200
» No changes
um with the exception of the salary and

725
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:37,200
everything else is stay the same.
>> Okay.

726
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,599
So
um hold on hold on. And so again, I ask

727
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,240
you is it your intention to fund the
position of deputy controller out of the

728
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,520
general fund for 2026?
>> Yes.

729
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:55,119
» Okay. And your salary uh increase is
slightly more than 6% from the line item

730
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:57,839
appropriated for 2025. Is that
>> an error?

731
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:03,680
» Took it from the salary ordinance from
the amended salary ordinance and

732
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:10,960
budgeted 4% on it. So what you're saying
is that you took the the 6968

733
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:16,079
86 that we appropriated into the line
item. It would have been the salary from

734
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:21,359
2024
plus 1% cuz that's what we did for this

735
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,720
budget. You added 4% to it this year.
Correct.

736
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,440
» Correct.
>> And then you're adding four more% for

737
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:34,079
next year. But that would be more than
6%. You've only added 6%. So my question

738
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:39,119
is
what's up with the math? I mean that

739
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:43,280
that doesn't that doesn't make sense
with what you're saying. So I guess I'm

740
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:48,720
just wondering how you calculated that.
>> I took the amended salary which was

741
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,720
right now it's at 2580885
bi-weekly

742
00:55:52,160 --> 00:56:00,720
and then added the 4% to it.
>> Okay. So you're saying you did not get

743
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:08,000
4% increase this year. You got just the
1% and some change.

744
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:14,480
» This is from this is the current salary
ordinance, the amended one that we did.

745
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:16,160
» Okay. For me and civilian employees.
>> Pardon?

746
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:22,480
» Okay.
>> Um Okay. So, next question about your

747
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:28,079
overtime line item. It went from 5,130
to $53,352.

748
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Is that
is that what you're budgeting?

749
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,920
» Yes.
>> You are you are increasing your

750
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:40,799
» Well, wait.
>> Overtime line item by more than

751
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,799
» almost Yeah. Almost $50,000.
>> No.

752
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,799
» Overtime. We're at
See

753
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:56,480
» overtime.
>> Yeah, that is an error. I did I did not

754
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,599
catch that mic. Okay.
>> Yeah.

755
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,680
» So,
>> yes,

756
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,400
» that we have we have our first
reduction, ladies and gentlemen.

757
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,559
» There you go.
>> There you go.

758
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,680
» Yes, we just were looking for
>> that parking spot out there.

759
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:14,960
» Okay.
>> Um All right. Hold on. And I have turn

760
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,599
open it up to the floor.
>> So, that is definitely you're going to

761
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:25,520
hit a star by that one.
>> And I would agree with that 100%.

762
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:32,880
» All right. Um let's see and then some
questions and I'm asking from the June

763
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:38,160
budget report. Um how do you decide a
budget amendment for

764
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:43,119
the budget? Um for instance and I'll
just go in your budget there's what the

765
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:48,079
first line is the adopted budget and
then there's the next the next column is

766
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:54,400
budget amendments. And so for deputy
controller, you amended in $1,725.

767
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:58,480
For city controller, you amended in
$1,874.

768
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:05,119
For payroll clerk, you amended in
$3,900. And those happen throughout the

769
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:10,640
budget. And so my question is,
why are you amending in money to

770
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:13,359
appropriated line items? And um where
does that money come from?

771
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:21,359
» Yeah.
>> And why? I believe originally when we

772
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:24,880
budgeted for this year, we budgeted a 3%
increase.

773
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:29,040
» Originally when we budgeted and adopted
the budget in October, we budgeted for a

774
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:33,760
1% increase because we had all three
unions in active negotiations.

775
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:40,799
» So we passed an adopted budget that had
the 2024 salaries plus 1%. And so I'm

776
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:46,000
just curious why you're amending money
into these line items without coming

777
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:50,160
before council.
>> These

778
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:56,960
I mean go ahead.
>> No, go ahead. No, it's uh you know from

779
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:01,440
» I mean it's throughout the budget if you
everyone committee members will look at

780
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:05,760
their budget performance report there's
there's a lot of money and this is from

781
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,599
June so I haven't even looked at the
most recent you're amend you're putting

782
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:13,119
money into line items that have been
adopted by council without coming before

783
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:18,400
council. So I'm curious where that money
is coming from.

784
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:22,640
» Um I I'll I'll I'll look into it and get
an answer for you on that. Okay, I I do

785
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:26,480
expect an answer on that. And then my
next question is why why are you adding

786
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,400
money to line items that have already
been adopted from appropriations by the

787
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:35,920
fiscal body
>> from the from the additional percentage

788
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:42,119
that we got from the the ask me?
>> No, you're not a member of ask me, sir.

789
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,119
» My department is

790
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:52,480
» your deputy controller is not. He should
be being paid by edit. So, that wouldn't

791
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:54,880
be in there. Um, let's see. Uh,
Miss Munson, are you a member of ASME?

792
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,839
» No.
>> Okay. So, that wouldn't be it. So, I'm

793
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:04,319
just curious why there are
monies being amended into line items

794
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:11,119
that we've adopted as a fiscal body
without coming before council.

795
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:14,160
» Oh, I mean, I know that something is on
there. So,

796
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,880
» and so then depending on where it comes
from, because there are certain

797
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:19,359
situations where you can move money
around without getting approval, but

798
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:24,160
depending on
>> as long as you're in the line items from

799
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:25,760
the four ones and the four twos and four
threes.

800
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:30,799
» Is that what you said?
>> So, sorry

801
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:36,559
you watch. So, so again, it would have
to come from another category that has

802
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,720
to do with employee service charges. So,
we're looking at Medicare or overtime or

803
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:44,079
things along those lines, but we should
see decreases in those line items in

804
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,319
this budget if that's where they're
coming from. And we don't see those. So,

805
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,839
I just am curious again where this money
is coming from that you're putting into

806
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:55,359
these line items that we've adopted
totals for

807
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,680
» and I will get I will get the answer for
you.

808
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:02,880
» And so, then my next question is
why there wasn't a transfer that came

809
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:06,000
before council with an additional
appropriation or even a line item

810
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:11,119
transfer. and you're going to get to us
with that. And then there are instances

811
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,960
and I'll have to find it, but there's
actually instances where you took money

812
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:21,520
out of budgets, but I guess that's your
priority. It's it's, you know, um,

813
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:24,799
and then I because it's such an
interesting instit I guess I asked

814
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,760
again, how can you amend the budget
without council approval? But I will

815
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:37,359
allow an open floor so that others can
ask some questions. Any questions from

816
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:43,200
the council as of yet? Okay.
So, our general um now we'll go on to a

817
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:48,319
couple of the miscellaneous revenues
for next year.

818
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:53,440
Um generous our general uh general fund
miscellaneous revenue increased by about

819
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:58,880
almost $900,000.
But almost every other line item went um

820
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:03,760
fund went down. Local roads and streets
other receipts is down by $1.2 $2

821
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:05,520
million. Can you explain that?
>> The edit.

822
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,839
» It's form two.
>> Yeah.

823
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,799
» Would be the edit funds. They would be
considered

824
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,799
» considered in the
>> miscellaneous

825
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:15,680
» as a transfer
>> for local roads and streets.

826
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,839
» Not for local roads and streets.
>> That's what I'm asking about. Local

827
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:24,480
roads and streets other receipts is down
$1.2 million.

828
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:29,760
And I'm just curious where that one
point I mean if have we lost major

829
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:33,920
amounts of funding in local roads and
streets.

830
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,720
» That would be Adam uh the city engineer
and street.

831
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,839
» I'll make sure to ask I'll just ask you
because you're the one that input the

832
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,920
information. Um next
>> and he's got an explanation on this.

833
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:49,839
» I'll I'll ask him on Tuesday. Thank you.
Um next $500,000 in motor vehicle in

834
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:55,520
other receipts. So I guess we'll have to
ask Mr. leech what other receipts are so

835
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:59,440
we'll know why we're losing almost $1.7
million out of our street department

836
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:04,319
uh as far as
>> but he also I know he has cash the

837
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:09,119
beginning cash balance in this
>> okay so then again we talked about edit

838
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,880
being up $1.9 million and that was an
excellent question and I appreciate the

839
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:17,280
mayor making sure that the commitment to
the community center is still on board

840
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:22,000
for that $500,000
but the overall picture is that we are

841
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:27,920
um nearly every fund except the general
fund, the edit, and the parks

842
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:33,599
uh decreased. And so there's nearly $5
million decrease in our miscellaneous

843
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:40,000
revenue for 2026 or 2025. And I'm just
curious, is that are you saying that

844
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:45,440
that's due to state board mean one or
is that is that where we're seeing that

845
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:51,200
or is it just the fact that that's the
way the numbers went that day? Uh I mean

846
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,880
you certainly set in with the DLGF. I
mean

847
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,640
» well unfortunately you didn't have any
of the miscellaneous revenues ready that

848
01:03:54,480 --> 01:04:02,799
day. So
>> So I mean it's you know a lot goes into

849
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:06,640
miscellaneous revenues. Yeah.
>> You know uh

850
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:10,480
» well a lot came out this year for next
year. So that's unfortunate for us.

851
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:15,760
» So m right. Well the miscellaneous
revenues that comes from the state. Um,

852
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:20,400
do they? Because actually when we met
with DGF, council person Bash and I,

853
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:23,760
they were expecting you to already have
entered those things and they weren't

854
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,119
entered that day. Those those come from
you from what I understand.

855
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:30,880
» I think it was form one that they
>> No, no, form one wasn't wasn't

856
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:34,160
completed, but form two, which is
miscellaneous revenues, wasn't completed

857
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,839
as well. You had just started putting in
some data, but they were asking about

858
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:42,000
that
>> because it wasn't in. So I So are you

859
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:47,599
saying that the DLGF creates these
numbers or do you create these numbers?

860
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:51,839
» We that's my question. Do you create the
miscellaneous revenue numbers

861
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:57,680
» for there are certain miscellaneous
revenues which we gave you and

862
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:00,880
Councilwoman Basham copies at the
meeting.

863
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:07,039
» You you gave us a a
>> and then but then there's like um

864
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:11,760
building permits. There's different fees
and those those probably not.

865
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:17,200
» Those would be generated by us based on
what the building commissioner projects

866
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:21,680
that they're like for in in the for the
instance building permits,

867
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:26,000
» but some of the miscellaneous revenues
come from the state. Some of them and

868
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,160
it's on the DLGF website. Anybody can
look it up.

869
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,760
» Well, I don't know that we can look it
up at this point in time without without

870
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,640
having access to it because you can't
look up the current year.

871
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,839
» It's on their it's on their website.
>> I don't believe we can look up the

872
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:42,720
current year. We can look up this year.
I'll I can email you a c the link which

873
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:46,000
takes you right to you just have to go
to county specific.

874
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:48,000
» So you would you would give us access to
reading rights only to the deal the

875
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,480
gateway.
>> No I would give you access to the I this

876
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:56,640
is going through the front door like any
other citizen could do.

877
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,839
» I I because that is something I think we
would all appreciate is access to

878
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,480
gateway read only rights to see what's
going in and what's going out.

879
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:04,319
» Uh that's
>> but that's another conversation for

880
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:10,079
another day.
>> Right. But I can send you an the link

881
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:15,119
that I use that is not it's not
specific. I don't enter a password or

882
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:19,119
anything. It's it's on the internet that
shows county specific. You can go

883
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:23,920
through all 92 counties and look at all
their miscellaneous revenues and things

884
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:31,359
and but yeah, and I'm happy to do that.
And that's the the copies that I gave

885
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:35,280
both of you were off of that website.
>> Okay. All right. I don't know that they

886
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,640
were complete from what we see as form
two. I know that there were probably 10

887
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,240
10 line items at that point.
>> There was some things that weren't that

888
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:47,520
weren't in yet, but as far as the
miscellaneous revenue that the state

889
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:54,000
produces that was in that part of
>> to be fair, I think we also had

890
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:58,960
anticipated another meeting for updated
data, but I don't I don't know that.

891
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:03,760
» No, we were hoping and and yes, you're
exactly right, Councilman Basham. We

892
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:07,680
were hoping that um our DJF field rep
would fill out the budget worksheet

893
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:11,039
based on this year's numbers because we
didn't have the data for next year at

894
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,039
that point in time because it hadn't
been entered and so we were going to

895
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:19,039
meet in their office when it came in but
it didn't come in for a long time.

896
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:23,119
» So through no fault of your own.
>> All right. So then we will um open up

897
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:25,920
the floor. Any questions for the
controller

898
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:30,960
» on the controller budget?
>> I think that's been covered. Very good.

899
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:34,160
» Okay. So, we will move on from
controller to personnel. Thank you very

900
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:40,240
much for your time and I appreciate you
guys answering our questions.

901
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,559
Uh control uh I'm sorry, personnel is on
page six.

902
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:54,000
I'm going to do a mic.
>> Make sure that we can hear you on the

903
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,160
mic because that's the only
>> I know it's been

904
01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:02,559
so many.
I'll put my eyes back on.

905
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,720
» All right.
>> Good evening, council.

906
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,760
» Good evening.
>> We appreciate you coming in on a Friday

907
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:13,200
night. I know it's where you want to
spend all your time. Um, we will start

908
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,679
with your salary increase by more than
6%. Can we understand? Can you give us

909
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,799
an explanation why?
>> I can. So, we took the salary budget

910
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:27,520
that was adopted in I believe March of
this year and 4% on top of that, which

911
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,799
is what we budgeted. So,
>> okay.

912
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:32,080
» Okay.
>> So, you base it on the salary ordinance,

913
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:36,640
not what was appropriated.
>> That is correct.

914
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:41,120
» All right. Your specialist salary only
went up $83 though. Is there an

915
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,560
explanation there? Cuz that's not 4%.
>> What happened there?

916
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:48,560
» It actually should. My numbers were not
that, but I'm not sure. Let me look at

917
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,960
the numbers that you have in front of
you. Okay. I have my

918
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:59,440
» number six of the proposed budget uh
personal personnel specialist. It went

919
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:07,679
up $83 from what? Let me make sure here.
Page six. Page six. So in 2025 for this

920
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:16,080
year, the council adopted a budget
for specialists for 47074

921
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:21,120
and the 2025 total is 47157.
They made a whopping $83.

922
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:26,880
» Well, that certainly wasn't intentional.
That is what happened. Um, look, I have

923
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:31,279
the salary ordinance over here. Now I'm
not finding it because you're putting me

924
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:35,120
on the spot, Miss Pal.
>> I I asked you to come prepare to answer

925
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:38,239
questions about your proposed budget
>> and I did and I I was just joking with

926
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:40,960
you. I'm sorry.
>> Okay.

927
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:47,080
» Um, just give me a moment if you would.
>> Sure.

928
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:47,080
» So, the salary is right here.

929
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:02,760
That's a third line down, right?
>> Yes. Personnel specialist.

930
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:09,400
» It's page six on both budgets.

931
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:22,520
» Okay.
So the salary ordinance for this year

932
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,520
for the annual would have been 4534374.

933
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:33,360
So if the new budget is just what you
said is actually $2,000 more.

934
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,360
» So the salary ordinance from from
>> Please continue. I'm sorry. I didn't

935
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:40,880
mean to interrupt.
>> No, you're fine. The salary ordinance

936
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:46,440
personnel specialist is 1743.99
bi-weekly on an annual rate that's

937
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,440
45,34374

938
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:54,080
and then it went up in my budget
proposal to 47,157.

939
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:58,480
» Well, that's very interesting because we
adopted 47,074.

940
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:02,800
So, we've been underpaying your
personnel specialists this entire year

941
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:07,600
from what the council appropriated for
them to earn. And the thing my

942
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:12,960
understanding is about the salary
ordinance is that is an up to amount if

943
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:16,640
I'm absolutely correct and so if they're
being paid less than the salary

944
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,520
ordinance that's okay. So if we're under
budget

945
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:23,760
» Okay. So my next question is for you Mr.
Craig. Right. Um if we're saying that

946
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,040
it's okay that we don't go up to salary
ordinance and everyone else has been

947
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:31,840
being paid at the salary ordinance this
year. Why isn't the personnel specials

948
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:34,000
being paid at the salary ordinance?
Um,

949
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:35,679
» could could I clarify?
>> Hold on. I'm asking a question of Mr.

950
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:41,520
Wright.
>> I apologize.

951
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:46,400
» Yeah, I mean it's uh look at the salary
ordinance and we did the 4% as well.

952
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:50,000
» Is this personnel specialist a member of
ask me?

953
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:55,120
» Are they a member of the Okay, that's
fine. I was asking you. no members of my

954
01:11:52,400 --> 01:12:01,040
team are a member of ask me. And the
reason the salary is less is because the

955
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:06,960
person is a fairly new hire within my
department. They're not experienced yet.

956
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:10,239
» Um, and we had someone who was long-term
who's retired.

957
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:14,000
» And so once they get their skill set up,
experience, etc., then we will go up to,

958
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:18,239
which is what I encourage all of our
department heads to do to not

959
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:23,360
necessarily start them at the top.
>> So we will put that. Do you intend? So

960
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,920
then the intention is to pay this
personnel specialist um 47157

961
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,840
in 2026
>> once they get up to where I would expect

962
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,880
their performance to be. Yes, ma'am.
>> Do you have a date for that? I mean I I

963
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,360
I
>> the person this

964
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,760
» that's very subjective.
>> It is very subjective. I will tell you

965
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:48,239
the person is newly hired about 6 weeks
in. It was vacant for about 6 weeks

966
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:50,640
maybe 2 months. Um, so it just depends
on how he does

967
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:54,080
» and I understand that and I respect
that. I just want to we are always going

968
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:56,960
to advocate for our employees and make
sure that they are being paid as much as

969
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:59,600
possible as soon as possible. And so
that's the reason I asked that question.

970
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:05,719
Council person,
>> may I just put an exclamation mark on

971
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,719
Congress person?

972
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:15,120
» I mean person
>> um that I I appreciate knowing that.

973
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:18,320
Yeah, that was a that was a very
>> Yeah, absolutely.

974
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,560
» And anyone else down there?
>> I have one.

975
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,800
» Uh, council person Garrett,
>> do you have like just to kind of dig

976
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:29,520
back, do you have a timeline or or like
a a training that you go through to get

977
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:33,440
this employee up to par where she'll be
at this like or is it kind of like when

978
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:37,360
you think she's there?
>> So, if I can correct you at actually

979
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:42,080
this position is filled by a male.
>> Okay, sorry.

980
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:45,440
» That's okay. Um, and uh, I have a
timeline when they're working

981
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,000
independently is what I would like to
see. I don't have that at this point.

982
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:52,080
Okay.
>> Um, so I I feel like once they're

983
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:57,199
through the training period, typically
that would take about 90 days. 90 days.

984
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:01,760
» Um, but again, we're not there yet.
>> Um, and you know,

985
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:03,679
» it's an incentive as well, you know, to
work toward. Right. Correct.

986
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,440
» So,
>> yeah. Thank you.

987
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:11,199
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Uh, next. I'm sorry. Did I hear? Okay.

988
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:14,080
Um, next question. Employee assistance
program is zeroed out.

989
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:17,520
» That is correct.
>> So, we're not offering that anymore or

990
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,880
is that being funded from another?
>> It's being funded, I believe, from the

991
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:25,040
board of works. It's the employee
assistance program. We do have it and

992
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,440
folks are actively using it. I refer it
all the time.

993
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:31,120
» Thank you very much. I know. I know
that's very important to our employees.

994
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:35,120
Why is there not a line item in board of
works for employee assistance program if

995
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,080
it's being paid for out of out of board
of work? Sir,

996
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:42,560
» add other services and charges.
>> Thank you. Okay.

997
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:46,320
All right. And my last question is that
you've added other services and charges

998
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:49,679
line item and I'm just curious what that
includes.

999
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:54,719
» Okay. Actually, I moved $300 from my
office supplies down to other services

1000
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:57,360
and charges because I can't move because
the four ones and the 42s and the four

1001
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,239
threes, right?
>> Yes.

1002
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:04,480
» Um and some of my charges, if you will,
don't fall under office supplies. For

1003
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:09,520
example, I had to have locks fixed in my
office on my furniture. Um, and that

1004
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:13,199
doesn't fall under office supplies. It
doesn't really fall under any of my

1005
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:16,640
categories, right? And so, I needed some
funding in that line item so I could put

1006
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:21,120
some miscellaneous things in there.
>> Okay. So, you you've created that or or

1007
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,880
either that or you funded a line item
that wasn't showing up because it wasn't

1008
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:26,640
fun.
>> That's correct. It was not funded last

1009
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:32,480
year, but I just moved money from office
supplies down to a service.

1010
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:35,760
» Great. Um, any questions for personnel?
>> Council person Green.

1011
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:41,600
» Yes, thank you. Uh, I have a question on
the other insurance. Would like you

1012
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:45,600
clarify what that is. That 3850.
>> You know, I I actually thought that was

1013
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:49,040
like life insurance and those kinds of
things, but I'm not positive. That's

1014
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:52,719
kind of one of those I think every
department head has said, I'm unsure.

1015
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:57,600
Let's ask the controller. And so, I
guess I'm going to do the same thing.

1016
01:15:54,159 --> 01:16:01,199
And I'm sorry. Um, I don't actually get
bills for it. If you continue,

1017
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:05,360
» may we ask Mr. Wright what
>> that general liabilities

1018
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:10,000
work? Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you, Craig. I apologize that

1019
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,800
I don't know. I don't get invoices for
it. So,

1020
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,239
» because you do have a a life insurance
line item.

1021
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:20,239
» Okay. 12 minutes. Thank you, Laura.
>> I appreciate it. You're welcome.

1022
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:25,679
» Another question from Council Green.
>> Um, training fees and instructions. Yes,

1023
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:30,239
we have not utilized that much this
year. Um, as I've already explained

1024
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:34,320
earlier in the presentation, we've had
some transition in my department.

1025
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Actually, since I started, maybe because
of me. I'm not sure. Not. But, but at

1026
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:43,440
any rate, we've had some transition. We
haven't been able to utilize it.

1027
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:47,760
However, we are spending some now out of
there and will continue to do so. We

1028
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:51,840
don't plan to use the entire 3,000 this
year.

1029
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:55,520
» So, you do intend to next year? Um, I
hope to continue to have that budget for

1030
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,800
next year, the same amount, so that we
can utilize it more next year than we

1031
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,159
were able to this year.
>> Okay.

1032
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:04,320
» Thank you.
>> Uh, councilman, do you have a question?

1033
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:06,560
I thought I thought cut you off.
>> That's great.

1034
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,960
» Any questions for personnel? Any
questions? All right, we are finished.

1035
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:16,080
Thank you very much.
>> And it is a little nerve-wracking having

1036
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:19,760
» you did just fine.
>> Thanks, guys.

1037
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:24,159
We are going to take a breath and
welcome the myy department up to the

1038
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:27,840
podium
and they are on starting with the fire

1039
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:34,080
department general fund budget. It is
page 11 of your 2025 and your 2026

1040
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:39,199
budgets. And chief, if you'll give us
just a moment to get to the right spot.

1041
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:46,600
Again, I want to remind you to please
talk clearly into the microphone so Lacy

1042
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:46,600
can work her magic.

1043
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Okay,
I'll make sure everyone gets on the

1044
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:05,840
a rather large budget. So, I am going to
ask people to uh be recognized before

1045
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:14,239
they as we get I'm sorry and I did that.
I apologize. Um but yes, so we will we

1046
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:19,600
will go ahead and start um
Oh, sorry.

1047
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:23,760
Sorry.
All right. So,

1048
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:29,840
uh, your chief salary line item
increased by 36 over $36,000. Is that

1049
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,040
you and deputy chief?
>> It's just the two of us.

1050
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:36,159
» Correct. You remember last year there
was there was a lot cut from the chief's

1051
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,080
line item.
>> Yes.

1052
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:43,199
» But what the salary ordinance, you know,
read there again. So, um, you know, we

1053
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,640
had figured those raises and then we put
4% on what on what that was, what we

1054
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:52,480
were currently.
>> And so, I have a question. Are you part

1055
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,800
of the city's negotiation team?
>> We do.

1056
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:59,199
» You sit down on the city side.
>> And you're members of the union as well?

1057
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:02,960
» Well, we're members.
>> You fall under you fall under the CVA.

1058
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,040
» No,
>> you don't.

1059
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:09,199
» Not technically. We don't technically
negotiate the the chief salary.

1060
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:18,719
Okay. Um, so you fall under the you fall
under the CBA and you sit in on the

1061
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:22,159
city's negotiation team,
>> but we don't technically fall completely

1062
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,320
under the CBA, but under the salary
ordinance, we do receive the longevity

1063
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,080
um, you know, the tech pays, things like
that, as it's written in the salary.

1064
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:35,600
» And, and just for clarification, so in
the 10% that was negotiated for next

1065
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:39,040
year, if and when you would have gotten
that 10%

1066
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:43,600
I assume so.
>> So, you do fall under the CDA in regards

1067
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:48,640
to salaries and things like that.
>> Traditionally, they have the chiefs of

1068
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:52,000
the fire department have received the
same base pay raises as firefighters

1069
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:59,920
did.
>> Okay. I just I wasn't familiar with the

1070
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:04,159
chiefs being under the um so I guess on
that did you we all fill out a conflict

1071
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,280
of interest form? Mhm.
>> Have you filled that out and provided it

1072
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:09,600
to either HR or
>> we Yeah, we they require us to fill them

1073
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:10,640
out annually.
>> Okay.

1074
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:16,080
» Correct.
>> All right.

1075
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:19,120
So, um all and and moving on down. All
of your department positions are put

1076
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:23,199
into one line item.
>> Yeah. And that's if I can the easiest

1077
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:27,679
way for me to explain was I took this
year's budget, the 25 budget,

1078
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:33,040
» and I figured the 4% raises and what
those costs are across the board across

1079
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:37,760
all three funds. um technically four
funds because we have two in 104 that we

1080
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:43,360
pay um to come up with what the totals
were, what the total impact was per

1081
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:48,159
fund. And then from there, we took those
that dollar amount and then combined

1082
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:51,760
things um so that we're down instead of
paying a firefighter salary out of three

1083
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:55,199
separate funds, we're paying out of one,
>> the general fund. So you put all that

1084
01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:00,080
financial burden into the general fund.
>> Well, but we removed the overtime out of

1085
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:04,000
the general fund. We removed the PERF
out of the general fund as well. So, it

1086
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:08,640
balanced the totals that it was costing
per fund. But this is something that,

1087
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:11,120
you know, in the three and a half years
that I've been in with the

1088
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,080
administration, I've been looking
forward to do because it makes it easier

1089
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:17,360
for us to stand here and budget with
you. Makes it easier for you to go

1090
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,280
through the budget. Makes it easier for
the controllers's office to pay. We have

1091
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:24,880
such a problem with funds and things
getting mixed up. So, um,

1092
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:28,000
» well, we I'm I'm probably going to go
through with the questions as I've

1093
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,960
reviewed the budget, so I probably won't
be lumping everything together. Well, I

1094
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:33,920
know I won't. I'm going to go with the
questions that I wrote, but you're more

1095
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,679
than welcome to explain that you've done
that and that's why you've done that.

1096
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:42,000
Yep.
>> Um,

1097
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:46,560
» but so all all of the the um
all of the firefighter

1098
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:49,840
everything from deputy chief or no,
deputy chief is is put in with you,

1099
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:53,840
correct? Correct. And then everything
else is put into the firefighter line

1100
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:57,920
item. And and we don't we're not asking
anything about that or because we know

1101
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:02,560
again we learned last year that there's
many many different variables and so

1102
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:08,159
we're going to have to take your word on
it that that's 4% and and go from there.

1103
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,840
Um but your other employees they all
increase by 4% office manager and and

1104
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:16,639
things along those lines.
>> Correct.

1105
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:20,800
» Okay. And then um
see your holiday pay in the and I'm

1106
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:24,639
talking strictly general fund increased
by uh $51,000

1107
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:28,719
» and that's correct because we took
holiday pays from the other funds put

1108
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:33,199
them into this fund as well and then
transferred things out of this fund into

1109
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,960
so that we had like I said we have
single line items now for holiday pay. I

1110
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:39,600
didn't know if that was just a
contractual bump or if so, but that's

1111
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:43,520
just
>> No, the total actually stays the same,

1112
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,480
but now instead of paying for multiple
funds, it will be paid from the 101.

1113
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:52,960
» Okay. And so your perf expense went to
the other fund and so there's no perf

1114
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:56,719
coming from anywhere other than the the
and I have to get to it, but

1115
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:00,239
» yes, for suppression personnel, um,
their PEF is being is being moved to the

1116
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:06,360
105
>> suppression. And I'll ask a question

1117
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:06,360
about that personel.

1118
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:14,080
All right. And I promise I will let
other people ask. Clothing allowance was

1119
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:18,719
increased by $195,000. Is that
>> again moving it from another fund to

1120
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:22,159
» it? Decreased.
>> It's in 101. It should have gone down to

1121
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:25,560
zero because that was moved to another
fund as well.

1122
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:34,639
» Is that what you have as a zero?
>> Okay. Then I didn't set funds there. So

1123
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:40,800
that's zero. Thank you. And then just
some some clarification questions.

1124
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:44,800
Um condition of maintenance $11,000.
What is that?

1125
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:51,360
» That's the contractual um amount. It's
$100 per per merit firefighter. Um that

1126
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,920
is for the individuals to use at their
stations. It's divided up by stations so

1127
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,600
they can purchase televisions, grills,
um things they need for their stations.

1128
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,639
» Okay. And then repairs and maintenance,
$126,000. What is that? Is that repairs

1129
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:08,880
for the different stations soft tours?
>> No, this this is equipment rental and

1130
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:15,760
repair. Um
>> um I am looking at and I could be wrong.

1131
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:20,080
Let me put my um repair and maintenance.
Uh other services and charges

1132
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:23,600
10121436011.
It just says repair and maintenance

1133
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:30,719
equipment. Oh man,
>> that is was in the 436011

1134
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:33,920
in the 105 as it reads on our chart and
it's been used is equipment rental,

1135
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:36,800
repair and maintenance and that was
moved out of the 105 up to the 101.

1136
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:44,800
» Okay.
>> Okay. Um and and

1137
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:51,440
» Okay. So that is moved
>> and furniture and fixtures 15,000.

1138
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:55,199
Would that would that be TVs and grills
and stuff or is that

1139
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:58,800
» that's beds, sofas, recliners, the
things that the city provides

1140
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:02,800
automatically for the firefighters?
>> Of course. And then what vehicle is

1141
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:08,400
being leased that we see vehicle lease?
>> The vehicle lease in the 101 that is for

1142
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:12,560
the aerial truck that Ball State pays.
Um Ball State's revenue and ball

1143
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,840
hospitals revenue go directly into the
101.

1144
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:20,000
» Okay.
>> So that's why that's paid out of 101.

1145
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:26,320
And then
one moment please. So

1146
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:33,360
looking at this
as of June 79% of your overtime budget

1147
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:38,840
for general fund have been spent down.
I'm not sure and I'm sure that council

1148
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,840
Basham can tell me.

1149
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:44,960
» It's at 122 as of today.
>> I'm sorry what?

1150
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:47,760
» It's at 122 as of today.
>> That's right.

1151
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:49,360
122 depleted.
>> Mhm.

1152
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,280
» Okay.
>> And then but we are

1153
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,440
» out of general fund.
>> What's that?

1154
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,280
» And that's out of general fund,
>> correct? Yeah.

1155
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:58,960
» Yeah. If you look through all the
overtimes and all the funds right now

1156
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:04,239
are are they're maxed out.
>> And then 200% of your unemployment

1157
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:07,280
budget was spent by the June 30th.
>> 300.

1158
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:13,679
» Yeah. There was no money in the in the
uh unemployment line item at all.

1159
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:19,840
» And that that's taken out upstairs.
And then an odd question for this is

1160
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:25,360
that um other insurance wasn't even
budgeted in the general fund, but you

1161
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:29,120
spent $79,000 out of that line item.
Um when you look at the budget

1162
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,400
performance report, where did it go?
Where did it go? Other insurance.

1163
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:36,400
» Well, I see where you're at.
>> Other insurance.

1164
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:42,000
And so
what is that? And is that a situation

1165
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,400
you're amending money into a a line item
that

1166
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:47,040
» the that other insurance line item I
said that's that's done through the

1167
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:50,639
controllers's office as far as where our
insurance has come from. The other

1168
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:55,520
insurance of the 105 though I know that
pays for our liabilities our vehicles

1169
01:26:53,120 --> 01:27:00,320
our stations those policies.
>> So you

1170
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:05,679
other insurance general fund let me make
sure that that's where I am. other

1171
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:10,800
insurance general fund budgeted for a
nothing. Current monthly transactions

1172
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:17,199
are $7,800.
So you're spending $7,800 out of a line

1173
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:20,320
item that that had no money put into it.
I again I don't understand how that's

1174
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,320
» Yeah.
>> happening.

1175
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:30,080
» We haven't g anything for that line item
from our office.

1176
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:35,120
» Okay. So you are are $79,000 in the hole
of a line item that has never had money

1177
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:41,920
appropriated into it.
So we'll make a mark by that one.

1178
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:48,000
Um
I'm sorry. So software is and again I'm

1179
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:53,040
going by June 30th. So software is 88%
expanded. And is that a set annual

1180
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,840
amount that you
that's contractual like that's our

1181
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,560
software contract or
>> it is and the majority of that comes out

1182
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,120
in January.
>> Sure.

1183
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:06,719
» Front ended.
>> And then um

1184
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:12,320
other services and charges
99% expended as of June the 30th. Um

1185
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:13,920
Council Person Bashman, what are we at
now?

1186
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,880
» 100.
>> 100. So you spent one more percent.

1187
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:24,040
» Yeah.
>> All right.

1188
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:24,040
And so when we do that and we're

1189
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:31,040
at least three months left in the year
are I mean at what point do you come to

1190
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,679
council and say we're this line item
>> well we have three other services and

1191
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,520
charges lines.
>> Thank you very much. And and again

1192
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:41,199
that's perfect explanation. Thank you.
>> So we should not see any more charges

1193
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,760
coming out of the general fund other
services and charges.

1194
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:47,600
» We won't we won't take anything more.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1195
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:51,679
» Um let's see.
So, are there any questions from the

1196
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:54,560
council on the general fund budget for
the Mercy Fire Department? No.

1197
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,239
» No.
>> Council person Green,

1198
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:01,760
» I have a few questions if I may. Um, the
holiday pay is that at one and a half

1199
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:04,800
time.
>> The this holiday pay is figured

1200
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:09,040
contractually.
>> So, when a when a holiday's work, it's

1201
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,639
$150 for the shift.
>> Okay.

1202
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:18,320
» Yeah.
Next question I have is the uh the

1203
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:20,960
promotion of business at 12 and a half.
What exactly is that? Could you explain

1204
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:24,400
that?
>> Um one of the big things we use

1205
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:28,560
promotion of business is and it's our
community promotions. I mean as we as

1206
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:33,120
it's spelled out in ours but that goes
for recruitment um trying to get people

1207
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:37,960
but we also use community promotions for
events that we do within the public as

1208
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,960
well.

1209
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,360
» Yes, please. Councilman Green, other
question.

1210
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:46,159
» Uh,
>> general fun question.

1211
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:51,040
» Question on page 14 where you have
copier maintenance is 65,000 and

1212
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:59,760
computers, printers, and hardware at
5,000. It appears like you're repairing

1213
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:03,440
uh copers, spending 65,000 repairs when
you

1214
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:07,440
» This is one of those line items that
what it reads there is not what it reads

1215
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:12,239
within our inhouse.
>> Could you? So, that one um the 65,000

1216
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:16,560
that we have, that's our software
maintenance agreements.

1217
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:20,600
» I think we went through that last year
as well.

1218
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,600
» Yeah.

1219
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,120
» Okay.
>> Councilman Green, do you have any other

1220
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,639
follow-up questions?
>> I don't believe so.

1221
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:33,600
» All right. Anyone else for the general
fund budget?

1222
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:37,280
I'll give everyone a moment to to
>> and we can always circle back if we need

1223
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:43,280
to.
All right.

1224
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:49,440
Um we will move on to my fire department
uh local income tax budget and that is

1225
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:56,840
going to be of your 2025 budget is page
18 and then chief has graciously

1226
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,840
provided us with a schedule.

1227
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:02,679
Give me one second, please.

1228
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,520
Okay.

1229
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:30,239
When we are all ready for the local
income tax discussion, we'll move

1230
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:34,800
forward. All right. So,
do you know what your current

1231
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:38,679
nonappropriated balance is for fund 105?
>> It'll be 1649.

1232
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,080
» Good job.
[Music]

1233
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:46,719
» And so, your entire per expense was
moved to it.

1234
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,880
» Correct. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1235
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:53,679
» This one's going to be a really easy
one.

1236
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:57,520
» No, we're good.
>> Going forward. And so you're no longer

1237
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,040
paying firefighter wages out of this
fund.

1238
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:05,760
» Correct.
>> And no longer paying holiday pay. Um and

1239
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:10,320
so those are being shifted to to general
fund,

1240
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:13,920
» but you're also removing general fund
expenses as well. So I appreciate that

1241
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:19,360
very much.
>> Um and you're budgeting health insurance

1242
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:24,000
because it's a different fund.
Um and again, we go back to that other

1243
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,520
insurance for lit. What is what are your
fees?

1244
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:29,040
» This is the one that pays all of our
liabilities and stuff out of.

1245
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:32,080
» Okay. So, these are your legal fees.
>> Well, yeah.

1246
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:35,440
» And liability and and such.
>> A lot of our legal fees come out

1247
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:38,960
» legal. A lot of our legal fees come out
of other services.

1248
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:45,600
» Okay. All right.
And then um

1249
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:52,080
and and this I am asking mostly for my
own

1250
01:32:47,679 --> 01:33:01,360
understanding because your on page 13 of
the June 30th um budget performance

1251
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:07,600
report. It has your fund 105
but then it goes down to fund 105 coit

1252
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:14,800
public safety. Is that is that because
it's saying that you're overdrawn

1253
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:19,719
by that? According to June 30th, it says
revenue totals are 16 1,630,649

1254
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,600
and expense totals are 2,22,354.

1255
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:30,719
And so, but it's not saying that. So,
I'm just curious and maybe that's a

1256
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:33,760
discussion that we'll have later, but I
just ran across it today and I wanted to

1257
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:37,360
tag it because I don't know that I
understand the difference between and

1258
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:42,239
maybe that's a question for the
controller. Uh, what is the difference

1259
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:50,639
between um
fun 105 coit and expense

1260
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:55,199
and and lit any anyone?
>> I can't answer that either. I know we

1261
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:58,000
have corporate cash available in our in
our lit as of this afternoon. reach out

1262
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,719
and ask for.
>> So I guess and and I'm going to ask I'm

1263
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:05,760
going throw it to Mr. Wright really
quickly. Um is there a difference

1264
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:12,320
between what we're saying is co I mean
why would they show why would fund 105

1265
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:19,679
show a negative balance for fire
when we know that there is at least

1266
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:25,520
164,000 in there.
So that's that's a question maybe uh we

1267
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:28,080
can we can resolve. Thank you sir. I
appreciate that. All right.

1268
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:33,040
» One of the things I do know reviewing
these when we go through them is a lot

1269
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:37,840
of times that things are flip-flopped on
there where it'll show it'll show that

1270
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:41,040
um it's a debit and a credit. They're
actually backwards on a lot of our

1271
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,159
revenue streams when you read them. So
sometimes when you see them in the

1272
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:49,120
brackets in there, you know, that's
actually a revenue, but it shows up as a

1273
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:52,960
negative. And so that's possible.
>> That's something we have to ask because

1274
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:57,440
it's like this does not make sense. I'm
going to to shoot to the audience very

1275
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:03,199
quickly and this is an orthodox Mr.
>> Chapen the coit comes from the county

1276
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:08,480
monthly we're budgeting yearly so our
yearly budgets two million or whatever

1277
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:11,040
that the full amount if you look in June
we've only got half you know we're not

1278
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:16,480
getting all
>> makes sense yeah right okay he's solved

1279
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:22,000
the problem thank you sir you're off the
hook Mr. Right.

1280
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:26,239
So, we'll continue on. Thank you. And uh
so that was expires my question for the

1281
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:31,040
lit. Are there any other questions from
the from the committee on my uh fire

1282
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:35,840
department public safety uh local income
tax? And I do appreciate I know that you

1283
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:40,880
guys have worked hard to move things
into your local income tax funds to free

1284
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:45,679
up money in the general fund. I know
that it's you know it's it's a it's hard

1285
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:50,239
because you do have comprised one of the
biggest budget but you're you really

1286
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:56,239
would love to see those general fund
total you're you're like I think 34% of

1287
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:03,360
our general fund budget comes is from my
fire and so and then police is another

1288
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:08,239
40 some and so 75% of our general fund
is is public safety and I understand and

1289
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:11,360
don't get me wrong I understand and
that's something we all expect and

1290
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:16,960
that's one one of our big expenses and
it will always be but anytime we can put

1291
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:20,400
elbows up and hopefully push some more
money towards animal shelter and other

1292
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,159
departments to get paid off general fun
and you've always worked with us on that

1293
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:26,400
and I appreciate
>> sure like I said several years ago

1294
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:28,000
police and fire a lot higher percentage
of

1295
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,960
» you know and so
>> absolutely twothirds of our employees

1296
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:34,159
it's all work I mean we're still
building our EMS program and we're

1297
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:37,360
working to try to get our stations
updated I mean there's a lot going on so

1298
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:43,199
you know there there's a lot going on
right now with fire department

1299
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:49,040
» and so We will go on to fire EMS and
then we we see the end of the tunnel

1300
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:51,520
people. So um
do you want to

1301
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:57,480
» absolutely we are going to take a fivem
minute recess for the bathroom. You're

1302
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:57,480
welcome Mr.

1303
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,480
» All right. Putting you on timer, sir.

1304
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:14,880
34.
>> 34 of the old one. Thank you.

1305
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:18,080
» And so, uh, questions on that.
>> Ambulance shift pay was zeroed out. What

1306
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:21,600
What is ambulance shift pay?
>> Well, ambulance shift pay is

1307
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:26,400
contractual. The the firefighters that
ride ambulances get paid based on their

1308
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:32,560
uh, EMS certification per day. Okay.
>> Well, that was down in the in the 24

1309
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:36,639
part. We just shifted it up into the 21
um and then adjusted it for the the

1310
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,159
Medic 7, the addition of medic 7.
>> Okay. And just since we're not the

1311
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:46,800
jargon,
>> um 24 is what? And 27 is what?

1312
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:47,440
» Okay. Uh the 10421 is a firefighter
line.

1313
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:52,719
» Okay.
>> The 10424 is EMS.

1314
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:58,560
» EMS. Okay. So, within that one fund,
there are two different offshoots. So,

1315
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:08,080
we're we're looking at at that. And then
um and then so you almost deplete or or

1316
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:10,800
moved the two ones the two four whatever
the firefighters was.

1317
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,560
» No, it it's actually
>> I'm not I'm going to use words and not

1318
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:18,400
numbers on it because
>> No, what we did was because we we

1319
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:22,800
brought down and put all the overtime
there because that is the big unknown

1320
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,960
» and that's the one we always have to we
always I mean in all reality we come

1321
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:31,040
back and ask. So that's why we put it
here because when we come to ask you to

1322
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,440
appropriate money, we're asking you to
appropriate money out of the EMS funds

1323
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:38,880
for that.
>> Okay. And so um the am pay is not

1324
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,159
needed. It was a contractual thing you
gave to firefighters who

1325
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:46,080
» Yeah. And EMS.
>> It's in the 25 budget, but it was down

1326
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:49,360
on the EMS part. We moved it up here
because the firefighters who get paid

1327
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:52,239
for that. So we just shifted that up
there.

1328
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:55,600
» Okay. And shifted it from within the
same fund, but the two different parts.

1329
01:38:53,840 --> 01:39:01,040
» Correct. Thank you for y
>> drawing that breadcrumb for me.

1330
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:06,639
» Uh building maintenance um building
maintenance in the EMS is for

1331
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:08,800
again is it is it just their share of
building maintenance for the different

1332
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,880
fire stations?
>> Yeah. And and that was I mean that was

1333
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:16,800
put in there like that long before I
came in. But what we did we shifted the

1334
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:21,440
other building maintenance out of 105
and put that into the 10424. So it's the

1335
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,880
same amount of money there. Again, we
just kind of shelled some things, but it

1336
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:28,400
makes it easier for us so that when we
do building repairs and stuff,

1337
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:33,199
» they come out of one line.
>> And and again, these this is not DJ

1338
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:36,960
oversight. We're just asking for our own
and any money that you know would would

1339
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:40,480
just go right back into these these
accounts. So, it's not

1340
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,480
» it's mostly just a learning adventure
here.

1341
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,840
» Yes, absolutely.
>> Uh so, you're no longer paying

1342
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:49,360
firefighters out of EMS, but those
weren't you using a positions before?

1343
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:55,840
Was that what we what you
>> Yes, we were. Okay. And so those eight

1344
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:59,119
positions have been shifted to the
general fund.

1345
01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:02,400
» Yep. All salaries, all salaries went to
the general fund.

1346
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:04,960
» Okay. And I'm sorry if
>> we would have moved all the salaries

1347
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:08,000
down into one of the we would not have
had enough funding to do that. That's

1348
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,560
why we put them into the general fund,
but then removed several things from

1349
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,520
there to balance it.
>> All right. And I I apologize if some of

1350
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:17,520
these are repeat questions. It's it's
just the way I went through this. Um,

1351
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:21,280
and so because of the no firefighters
out at the EMS, you've eliminated the

1352
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:26,000
holiday pay from EMS. That's why that
did. And you added $553,683

1353
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,480
to overtime.
>> Correct.

1354
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:34,400
» But that is because, and if I understand
this correctly, you took on an entire

1355
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,199
department without adding any staff.
>> And so there's naturally going to be

1356
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:41,280
overtime. That's something that we're
never going to get away from.

1357
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:46,239
» Correct. When you have a firefighter who
is an EMT riding an ambulance, you have

1358
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:49,360
to replace that person on fire
suppression side. Correct. And if I'm

1359
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:52,239
wrong,
>> yeah, I mean, technically we what we

1360
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:55,040
have is we have a minimum staffing for
fire personnel every day.

1361
01:40:53,600 --> 01:41:00,320
» And that's 33, correct?
>> And that covers fire and the the

1362
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:04,080
firefighter portion of the ambulances
other than the four um civilian medics

1363
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:11,679
that we staff daily.
>> Okay. So, but is that I mean I know it's

1364
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:15,199
simplified for nonf fire staff, but so
you have firefighters who cover an

1365
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:19,600
ambulance and then you have to replace
them on fire suppression side

1366
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:23,440
» because you don't have someone who's you
for that day you don't have someone

1367
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:27,840
who's used who's uh working both
>> ambulance and fire truck. Correct.

1368
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:31,040
» They can't ride both pieces of
correctly. And so that is where we're

1369
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:34,000
generating all this overtime because
you've you've taken on an entire

1370
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:37,760
department without adding staff.
>> Correct. But we have actually added some

1371
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:40,800
minimum staffing since the EMS service.
>> You got a minimum staffing but not

1372
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:45,119
» but not actual extra
>> personel. So what it's actually doing is

1373
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:48,880
generating by adding additional staffing
per day. You actually increase the

1374
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:54,159
number of minimum manning shifts that
would be required to meet those. Okay.

1375
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:58,239
So that's why we're seeing that and um
and the overtime. I appreciate that

1376
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:01,679
you've moved a great chunk of that into
EMS because that is

1377
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,960
» that Absolutely.
>> program is what's generating a lot of

1378
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:08,000
that overtime. Correct. So, I do
appreciate that as well.

1379
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:13,199
» And like I said, it get makes it easier
for us when we come back like I will be

1380
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:16,400
in October coming to ask for more for
additional overtime

1381
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:20,880
» when it's right there. It's the money
that we have generated. We're not

1382
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:23,840
asking, you know, for an already
strapped general fund, right,

1383
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,000
» to come up with that money. It's the
same thing with purchasing our fire

1384
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:31,920
trucks and stuff as well.
>> Well, and I know Councilman Mintosh and

1385
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:36,560
I uh early on in 2024 met with both you
and Chief and and Chief Nindy about um

1386
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:41,760
because at that point in time before
you'd hired this whole new

1387
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:47,600
» group, we were
a lot of overtime early in the year. And

1388
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:50,960
so I I you we sat down and and and you
talked through a plan. You were able to

1389
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:56,080
tell us how you were going to solve that
problem. And I I appreciate that because

1390
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:58,960
» we we are down greatly from last year in
our

1391
01:42:56,480 --> 01:43:04,560
» times and I'm pleased to say that. But
you know if if we can get and keep our

1392
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:08,480
staff, it won't be a work at that time.
>> Well, and I and again with I appreciate

1393
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:13,840
you moving that into another fund from
the general fund, which as we've all

1394
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:17,040
said. So fun office manager for EMS.
What What is that?

1395
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:22,000
» That's the EMS office manager that was
put in. And are they upstairs or

1396
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:24,800
» No, they're at station one with the EMS
chief.

1397
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:29,520
» Okay. Okay. I just wasn't I wasn't
familiar. And again, like I said, this

1398
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:36,080
is And then um 100% of your EMS
equipment lease rental payments or um

1399
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:39,360
money has been spent. Is that something
that it's a one year? It's one time

1400
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:42,080
deal.
>> That's a January payment for the cardiac

1401
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:46,960
monitors.
>> Okay. All right.

1402
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:50,480
» Yeah. If you look like through the
budget performance report and you one of

1403
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:54,159
the things we do when we're figuring out
our where we're how we're moving and

1404
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:59,040
taking things some light items go high
first some go less and then we also have

1405
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:02,719
some dual items and multiple we try to
keep the actual whole fund balanced. So

1406
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:06,480
if you look at where our whole fund is
actually going also we're not just

1407
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:12,639
balancing the line items we're balancing
out the fund for the year.

1408
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:18,080
» All right. Um, are there any questions
for either chief about their EMS budget

1409
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:22,320
for 2026?
>> Okay.

1410
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:27,119
» Sure. Absolutely. Council person Goian,
>> um, the clothing pay went up a lot, too.

1411
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:31,280
Is that something else that you moved?
>> We Yeah, we combined the three separate

1412
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:34,719
clothing line items and put them into
one here in the water.

1413
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:38,159
» Okay. Like I said, moving forward, this
is going to be so much easier for all of

1414
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:41,520
us when we're budgeting. You know, when
you guys are reviewing it and also when

1415
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:45,679
the controllers's office are paying
these, we have to I know you talk about

1416
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:49,119
sometimes it looks like we've added
money into a line item. Well, we didn't.

1417
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:53,440
We actually went up and filed an
amendment because people weren't they

1418
01:44:51,280 --> 01:45:00,000
weren't paid correctly or that overtime
fund was was becoming, you know,

1419
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:03,600
uh over spent, if you will. And so we
did an amendment, you know, so it

1420
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:07,679
actually didn't we didn't really move
money. We said we paid people out of the

1421
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:11,679
other fund, which then
>> Well, but again,

1422
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:16,000
I hate to be a stickler. If you're
moving money from one fund to another

1423
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:19,760
fund, it has to come through us.
>> Well, but the way it was was told with

1424
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:22,639
us when we talked with, you know, state
board of accounts and everything, we're

1425
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:26,080
not technically moving money. We're
saying these people should not have been

1426
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:28,960
paid here. They should have been paid
here. So now that's

1427
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:32,080
» So they're correcting an error. That's a
whole other story. They were correcting

1428
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:35,600
an error if someone got paid out of the
wrong fund. Yes. Putting that money back

1429
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:38,719
into the to the original fund and taking
it out of the correct fund that

1430
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:43,119
» right like all of our ambulance shift
pay had been paid

1431
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:47,119
» overtime. So we had to go through every
member of the department and see where

1432
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:51,280
how much they had earned and we
corrected that. So we wanted to get that

1433
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:54,719
done so that when we come forth and ask
you know to correct our overtime we can

1434
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:59,119
do that. So
>> Okay. And I appreciate that explanation.

1435
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:02,639
Was there something anyone else down
here or down here?

1436
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:05,760
» Realigning all this prevents that in the
future which is going to be great for

1437
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:12,320
all of us.
>> All right. Um I appreciate your time and

1438
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:17,199
especially on a Friday night and so we
are we are done. Thank you. And and I

1439
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:23,800
will uh entertain a motion to amend to
adjurnn. So move second.

1440
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:23,800
» All right. Done.