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Margie, you're muted.
Thank you.
>> Good evening and welcome to the 893rd
» Good evening and welcome to the 893rd
meeting of the city of Laurel Historic
District Commission.
The qualifications of the members of the
commission, the staff to the commission
and any consultants used are on file
with the city and are hereby made a part
of each and every application heard
today.
The guidelines and procedures adopted by
the commission are also made a part of
each and every application.
Each application heard today is
considered on its own merits and is not
to be considered as establishing a
precedent for any other application.
Since we are virtual, if you would state
your name before you're you speak, uh
that would be appreciated.
And
uh we'll start with item number one. Uh
roll call. Um would you call the roll
please? Dora.
Adora. Would you call the roll, please?
» Did I say that right?
>> You did. I wonder if she's muted.
Uh, while we're having technical
difficulties, I will go ahead and call
the role.
Council President Smith
» here.
>> Miss Frasier
» Miss Frasier
>> here.
Miss Les.
» Miss Le.
>> She appears to be frozen.
» She appears to be frozen.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> But she is here. There she is.
» But she is here. There she is.
>> Mr. De La Point
» Mr. De La Point
>> here.
» here.
>> Miss Muhammad
» Miss Muhammad
>> here.
» here.
>> Miss Mcini
» Miss Mcini
>> here.
» here.
>> You have a qual. Did you call Miss Le?
» You have a qual. Did you call Miss Le?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
Thank you. All right. Item number two,
approval of last month's minutes. Are
there any corrections, discussion,
motions to approve?
Make a motion to approve.
» We have a motion to approve the minutes.
Do we have a second?
>> This is Marlene Frasier. I second the
» This is Marlene Frasier. I second the
motion.
>> Uh would somebody call the role, please?
» Uh would somebody call the role, please?
Or call Yes.
Mr. Smith.
» Mr. Smith.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Frasier.
» Miss Frasier.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
Miss,
» Miss Les, you're muted.
You can press your space bar
or you could signal a thumbs up. There
you go.
>> Okay. Yes, I know. Yes.
» Okay. Yes, I know. Yes.
>> Thank you, Mr. Deae.
» Thank you, Mr. Deae.
>> Yes,
» Miss Muhammad.
>> I have to abstain. I wasn't present at
» I have to abstain. I wasn't present at
last month's meeting,
>> so I'll abain.
» so I'll abain.
>> Thank you, Miss Frasier.
Yes,
>> Miss Mcini.
» Miss Mcini.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Uh item number three, HDC R
2026112
for 927 McGomery Street. Uh submitted by
Mr. McWills. The applicant is seeking
uh to replace sighting and a window and
to paint. Would staff like to present
her report, please?
Good evening, Madam Chair, commission
members. This is Alexis Williams,
planner one with ECD. The applicant is
seeking historic district commission
approval to replace siding and one
window on west side of home. The
applicant is seeking HDC approval to
replace the siding and one window on the
west side of the house. The existing
siding will be replaced with new woodlap
siding which will be painted vast far
wheat toast to match the existing color
of the home. The existing window is
broken and will be replaced with a new
white vinyl window of the same size and
color as the existing window resulting
in no change to the window or overall
appearance. Staff recommends the
Historic District Commission approve
certificate number HDC R2060112.
This concludes my report. Thank you,
Madam Chair.
» Is the applicant here?
» Yes, I am.
>> Great. Um, is there anything you'd like
» Great. Um, is there anything you'd like
to add?
>> Nope. Sounded good what she said. That's
» Nope. Sounded good what she said. That's
that's it.
>> Okay. Are there any questions or
» Okay. Are there any questions or
comments from the commissioners?
» No.
>> Okay. I have a concern that if you put
» Okay. I have a concern that if you put
the same paint on the new siding that it
might be different from the paint that
you put on however many years ago. How
long ago did you paint the house?
>> I just I just [clears throat] did the
» I just I just [clears throat] did the
same thing on the other side of the
house two years ago and had the whole
house painted that time.
And it's it will be just and I will be
painting the whole west side this time
again.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> So So it's not that old the paint job.
» So So it's not that old the paint job.
>> Okay. So that was really my concern
» Okay. So that was really my concern
because paint can really really fade.
>> Yep. Got you on that.
» Yep. Got you on that.
>> Okay.
Anyone else?
[clears throat]
I'd be happy to entertain a motion.
Um, I'll entertain a motion. I'm I'm not
the [laughter] chair here. I'm sorry.
I'll make a motion to approve HDC
R20260112
from 927 Montgomery Street.
>> Thank you. Is there a second?
» Thank you. Is there a second?
>> I'll second that motion.
» I'll second that motion.
>> Was that Miss Muhammad?
» Was that Miss Muhammad?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
Have a motion to approve and a second.
Adura, could you call the names for the
vote, please?
>> Council President Smith.
» Miss Muhammad.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Raer.
» Miss Raer.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
Miss LZ.
>> Yes.
» Miss Mini.
>> Yes.
Motion carries.
» Thank you.
» Thank you for coming. I appreciate
you're coming to answer our questions
and happy painting. Madame Chair, may I
say something before the applicant
leaves?
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> I apologize. This is ECD director Mishi.
» I apologize. This is ECD director Mishi.
Um, I want to let everybody on the call,
uh, particularly applicants know that
the city has recently been the victim of
some scam attempts. Uh following
commission or board meetings, uh there
are scammers who are sending an email to
applicants pretending to be the city and
asking them to wire a payment uh as the
final step of getting their approval. Um
we have been in contact with the Laurel
Police Department uh and with our IT
folks. Um but uh paying the the
department of uh fire marshall and
permit services um check or online
through the permit portal or
uh I'm paying uh here at ECD um are the
only ways to pay. We will never ask you
to wire money. Um so if uh anybody does
receive a solicitation like that, I
apologize uh and always feel confident
calling us to check and make sure that
an invoice is real. Thank you, Madam
Chair.
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> Thank Thank you all.
» Agenda item four, HDCR R2026-0109
for 25 Post Office Avenue submitted by
Margaret Samuels. The applicant is
seeking to put in a concrete driveway
instead of an already approved asphalt
driveway. Miss Williams, would you like
to present your report?
>> Good evening, Madam Chair, commission
» Good evening, Madam Chair, commission
members. This is Alexis Williams,
planner one.
>> The applicant is seeking historic
» The applicant is seeking historic
district commission to approval to amend
driveway material. The applicant is
seeking HDC approval to amend a
previously approved driveway material.
The historic district commission
approved an asphalt driveway during the
during the March 2026 HDC meeting. The
applicant is now requesting approval to
install a concrete driveway in its
place. The applicant states that
concrete has a longer service life than
asphalt and requires less routine
maintenance over time. Additionally, the
proposed concrete driveway will be
better match the existing concrete
garage foundation and the existing
concrete walkway that connects to the
driveway, creating a more cohesive
appearance on the property. The
applicant also notes that using the same
material for these connected features
may help minimize the vententral thermal
expansion between adjacent surfaces.
Staff recommends the historic commission
district commission approved certificate
number HDC R202609.
This concludes my report. Thank you
madam chair.
» And is the applicant
here?
Are there any questions for Miss
Williams?
» Could I entertain a motion?
I would like to move that we approve
HDCR
2026 01 09 for 25 Post a P post office
avenue.
>> I second that.
» I second that.
>> Thank you. We have a motion to approve
» Thank you. We have a motion to approve
from Miss Frasier and a second from Mr.
De Laente. Would you call the role,
please?
>> Miss Frasier. Yes,
» Miss Frasier. Yes,
>> Mr. Del.
» Mr. Del.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> Council President Smith.
» Council President Smith.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> Miss Les.
» Miss Les.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> Miss Muhammad.
» Miss Muhammad.
>> Yes. Yes,
» Yes. Yes,
>> Miss Mcini.
» Miss Mcini.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Item number five, HDC
Sorry. HDCR 2026
0106
for 404 McGomery Street submitted by
Steven Wallace. The applicant is seeking
to replace
the windows of his house. Miss Williams,
would you like to present your report?
>> Good evening, Madam Chair, commission
» Good evening, Madam Chair, commission
members. This is Alexis Williams,
planner one with ECD. The applicant is
seeking historic district commission
approval to replace 36 windows. The
applicant is seeking HDC approval to
replace the existing windows at the
property. The proposed work includes the
replacement of 36 windows, including
those located in the attic and basement.
The replacement windows will fit within
the existing window openings and will be
double hung with a single light, no
divided panes design that matches the
existing window style. The existing
windows have exceeded their useful
service life and are in dapitated state.
The project proposes replacing a
combination of original wool wood single
pane windows with added storm windows as
lower quality vinyl only replacement
windows that have been installed over
time. Many of the existing windows in is
inoperable. Certain broken panes of
glass and will not o remain open without
falling shut creating a safety hazard.
The proposed replacement windows will be
marvin double hung unit with solid wood
interiors and vinyl clad exteriors. The
windows will feature insulated
doublepane glass to improve energy
efficiency, thermal performance, and
occupant comfort while maintaining the
appearance of the existing windows. The
existing frames will be placed with
vinyl wrapped wood frames, and all
exterior of components will be painted
white to match the existing
architectural style. Staff recommends
the Historic District Commission approve
certificate number HDCR R206106.
This concludes my report. Thank you,
Madam Chair.
>> Thank you. And is the applicant present?
» Yes, I am.
>> Great. Do you have anything you'd like
» Great. Do you have anything you'd like
to add?
Uh, I think Miss Williams made the
windows sound really good, so I'm I'm
even happier to be buying them. I'm
happy to answer questions. I don't think
I have anything to add.
>> Okay. Uh, commissioners, questions,
» Okay. Uh, commissioners, questions,
comments.
>> I have two questions.
» I have two questions.
>> Yes, Miss Frasier.
» Yes, Miss Frasier.
>> One is, what is your plan for the Queen
» One is, what is your plan for the Queen
Anne window next to the front door?
>> That window is not going to be replaced.
» That window is not going to be replaced.
>> Okay. Um my other question is
» Okay. Um my other question is
it's the guidelines suggest that um
windows be appropriate to the
architecture of the house and when that
house was built it would not have had
blank windows with no
uh mullions
no or what they're calling paneling.
Um, you don't need it on all of them,
but maybe on the larger street facing
windows, would you consider adding
ammonium to make them two over one?
>> Um, we have uh, sorry buddy, you have to
» Um, we have uh, sorry buddy, you have to
go out. We have it's a big variety in
the house right now. Sorry, I have an
intruder.
5-year-olds being notorious
uh for respecting Zoom.
>> Um
» Um
we would uh prefer not to. The house has
a has a mod podge of of varieties and
most of the oldest windows are actually
the ones that have no paneling.
Um
>> originally they were okay. I've seen a
» originally they were okay. I've seen a
picture of the house when it was very
very young.
>> Sure. Uh my my preference is is not to I
» Sure. Uh my my preference is is not to I
understand the
uh the point, but the preference is not
to.
» Well, that's a shame.
Are there any other comments,
questions?
» Like to make a motion to approve.
>> Okay.
» This is Mary Alene. I'll second.
>> Thank you. We have a motion to approve
» Thank you. We have a motion to approve
from Council President Smith and a
second from Ms. Les. Would you call the
role, please? Council President Smith.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Lass.
» Miss Lass.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Frasier
» Miss Frasier
>> with reservations. [clears throat]
» with reservations. [clears throat]
>> Mr. Delopren.
» Mr. Delopren.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Muhammed.
» Miss Muhammed.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Mcini.
» Miss Mcini.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you. Luck with your project, Mr.
» Thank you. Luck with your project, Mr.
Wallace.
Uh, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
>> Agenda item number six, HDCR R2026-0115
for 339 Laurel Avenue submitted by
Francisco Martinez.
applicant
is
uh seeking replacement of windows and
painting house and roof. Miss Williams,
would you like to present your report?
>> Good evening, madam chair and commission
» Good evening, madam chair and commission
members. This is Alexis Williams,
planner one with ECD. The applicant is
seeking historic district commission
approval to repaint the roof and siding
and trim and to replace the existing
windows. The applicant is seeking HDC
approval to replace the existing roof,
repaint the exterior siding and trim,
and to replace the existing exterior
windows. The existing green laminated
roof will be repainted with rust oium
gloss black coating.
The ex exterior siding and trim will be
painted white using unifed
window and door pro series vinyl windows
featuring white interior and exterior
finishes. The ex the replacement windows
will be installed within the existing
window opening. Staff recommends the
historic district commission approved
certificate number HDCR206115.
This concludes my report. Thank you,
Madam Chair.
>> Is the applicant in attendance?
» Hi.
Um, so I've got a question to begin with
and I don't know if this who this should
be for exactly, but there was no window
survey,
but the questionnaire wasn't isn't
there.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes, I'm Francisco. I'm here in the
» Yes, I'm Francisco. I'm here in the
meeting.
>> Hello.
» Hello.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
» Oh, I'm sorry.
>> I'm Francisco.
» I'm Francisco.
Yes. Thank you. All right. I apologize.
I
» You understand English, Mr. Martinez?
>> Uh, yes.
» Uh, yes.
>> Um,
» Um,
so commissioners, do you have any
questions?
you.
>> Well, I have a I have a concern about um
» Well, I have a I have a concern about um
the paint on your roof and it's a metal
roof, not a laminate roof or enamel
roof. Um
I am concerned that it is lead paint and
about your you know that roof needs to
be scraped.
Is what are you doing about the lead
paint?
Uh the the
uh scraper the the paint is very bad.
They scrape it the paint and then put
the the two coins the the the
roof and paint.
>> Well, the concern is what happens to the
» Well, the concern is what happens to the
paint that you scrape off.
You need to properly remove lead paint.
Uh, must be just a scraper and and just
uh do a power washer and then put a new
paint.
>> Okay. Well, you need to be able to
» Okay. Well, you need to be able to
collect everything you scrape off.
>> Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, let's try to uh uh to
» Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, let's try to uh uh to
to put all together in a plastic bag.
» Are you going I'm sorry. I have a
question. Are you going to be doing all
this work yourself?
>> Uh, yes.
» So, did you say you were going to put
plastic down?
>> Just put a plastic down. Let's get a put
» Just put a plastic down. Let's get a put
a plastic down and and then we scrape it
to the the scraper paint come a plastic.
I'm just a little bit concerned that the
lead paint is properly disposed.
Uh
>> yes I am.
» yes I am.
>> Yes I am. Yes. Uh we did script it very
» Yes I am. Yes. Uh we did script it very
well. Yes. Do a power washer and let's
put two coins of paint
>> for the roof paint.
» Okay. I
Mr. Mishi. Does the city have rules
about this? I know when I'm in the house
that I'm in, we had the the paint the
lead paint removed from the entire
house. Not the roof was not a a painted
roof. Um, but there were vacuums
attached to the scrapers. There were
drop claws all around the house to
collect anything that escaped. You know,
power washing seems like it would spread
flakes of paint all over.
>> I know when you hire a company to do it,
» I know when you hire a company to do it,
they have to be certified in lead
abatement
>> to do that kind of work.
So typically
we meaning economic and community
development um don't get that engaged
with what's on the building with
building materials and so on and so
forth. That's generally handled by FMPS
the department of fire marshall and
permit services. Um
and I am happy to facilitate a
conversation between the applicant and
FMPS. I obviously don't want lead paint
chips floating anywhere um in the city.
Um a brief search on the city website
doesn't lead to anything about lead
paint regulations.
Um but I do know obviously that they
exist nationally.
>> The county I believe was also
» The county I believe was also
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
» Yeah. [clears throat]
What is this?
>> So, I am happy to uh if you want to do a
» So, I am happy to uh if you want to do a
conditional approval or if you think I
would say tableabling it if you'd like,
but the August recess obviously causes
me some concern.
» I have one other comment.
the paint, excuse [clears throat] me,
the paint that was specified in the
application,
>> the manufacturer themselves on have said
» the manufacturer themselves on have said
that it is not suitable for a metal
roof.
It's
you need paint that will sort of have a
little bit of flexibility and that paint
is very rigid.
It won't move when it heats and cools.
So you can contact the um manufacturer
if you want to use Rustoleum and there
are other paint brands that are
specifically made for old metal roofs.
You have um if if you just say a metal
roof, you're going to wind up with with
something that that isn't going to work
for you either. It's got it's turned
steel
and
it's not like the modern metal roofs
that you see on a shopping center. Those
require some very, very fancy paint.
The kind of roof you have does not.
But if you use this paint, it'll crack
and flake just like what you have now.
» Good afternoon everyone. Sorry I was
waiting. This is Rahul Castillo on my on
behalf with Francisco Martinez. I got in
a I was waiting on the on the waiting
room to get in the meeting. Uh my bad
for not getting in there as soon as
possible.
>> It's okay. We're happy to have you now.
» It's okay. We're happy to have you now.
>> Happy to be here. Happy to join you guys
» Happy to be here. Happy to join you guys
on uh on on on this meeting.
>> Did you hear the comments that were made
» Did you hear the comments that were made
earlier?
>> No. No, I was not able to hear them. I
» No. No, I was not able to hear them. I
don't know if you have the time to uh go
over the comments real quick and I can
give feedback.
>> We we sure do. So, I'm I'm going to
» We we sure do. So, I'm I'm going to
start with with mine. Um
>> yes.
» yes.
>> So, I just looked up that um
» So, I just looked up that um
the lead abatement does rule does not
apply to owners who perform work in
their own residence.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Which is surprising to me. Um, okay. And
» Which is surprising to me. Um, okay. And
then Miss Frasier has a concern about
the paint.
>> So,
» So,
>> the paint that was selected, um, the
» the paint that was selected, um, the
Rustoleum 3931 191, if you look on the
in the Rustoleum
site, they do not recommend that for a
metal roof,
>> okay? because it's brittle
» okay? because it's brittle
>> and when you have
» and when you have
>> expansion and contraction, it'll flake
» expansion and contraction, it'll flake
just like what you got now.
>> So, um
» So, um
>> you need something that's appropriate
» you need something that's appropriate
for an old turn steel roof.
>> Yeah. And I was looking at the email uh
» Yeah. And I was looking at the email uh
you recommend the Rostellian
uh Calabar uh some other waterproofing.
We can definitely uh send that over to
you with the product data of the color
that we're going to use if that if
that's okay. and and uh it shouldn't be
an issue. We can pick the the actual uh
an actual better brand that can actually
withhold for uh not just five but 10
years.
>> That would be good.
» That would be good.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. I can send
» Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. I can send
that over tomorrow. Um if uh if you have
any other comments, I can I can get
working on that tomorrow morning. Uh the
color doesn't matter because my dad was
thinking of painting it black.
» Doesn't matter. It would be hot.
>> Yeah, it will be hot. Yes, I agree.
Are there any black metal roofs
around?
>> Uh, I won't be able to tell you if there
» Uh, I won't be able to tell you if there
is.
>> I was thinking more of the
» I was thinking more of the
commissioners. I'm I'm sitting here
trying to picture a black metal roof in
town.
We have the metal roof over the um
>> front porch.
» front porch.
>> That's metal.
» That's metal.
>> Okay.
» It was just a a general comment, you
know.
>> Okay. Perfect.
» Are there any other comments or
questions?
All right. Would anyone like to make a
motion?
» I'd like to make a motion to approve
HDCR20260115
for 339 Laurel Avenue.
with the Would you like to add the
condition that they use an appropriate
paint for an old roof?
>> Yes. Using an appropriate paint for a
» Yes. Using an appropriate paint for a
vintage metal roof
>> shouldn't be an issue.
» shouldn't be an issue.
>> Okay,
» Okay,
I'll second that.
We have a motion to approve from Miss
Frasier and a second from Council
President Smith. Would you call the
role, please?
>> Miss Frasier?
» Miss Frasier?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Council President Smith?
» Council President Smith?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Laz?
» Miss Laz?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Delurn?
» Mr. Delurn?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Muhammad?
» Miss Muhammad?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Mcini?
» Miss Mcini?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Motion carries. Thank you, Adora.
» Motion carries. Thank you, Adora.
>> Madame Chair, I apologize. Um, there is
» Madame Chair, I apologize. Um, there is
a Zoom hiccup and this meeting is about
to end. Uh, I have just pasted an
alternate Zoom in the chat and I think
possibly that Adora has just sent it
out. I apologize for this it blip. Um,
it's very embarrassing obviously. Um,
but this Zoom is going to inevitably end
in less than a minute. Uh, so there is a
link um to a new Zoom that is in the
chat. Um, and it's possible that you
might be about to get an email as well,
but if everybody could copy that um, and
open a new Zoom, uh, again, I apologize
deeply.
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» Welcome to part two of our July HDC
meeting. Uh, Council President Smith is
not in attendance in part two. If he
joins us, he will let us know.
Agenda item number seven, HDC
C 2027
00003
for 113 St. Mary's Place submitted by
Jeff Palumbo for Pilott High School. Um
the school received approval in 2021
and
work stopped. Um so they are back. Would
staff uh Miss Williams, would you like
to present your report?
>> Actually, Madam Chair, you get me.
» Actually, Madam Chair, you get me.
>> I soon as that came out of my mouth, I
» I soon as that came out of my mouth, I
knew I had the wrong name.
>> All good. This is Jay Mishi, director of
» All good. This is Jay Mishi, director of
the Department of Economic and Community
Development. Good evening, Madam Chair
and Commission members. The applicant is
again seeking historic district
commission approval to conduct construct
a 16,830q
ft addition to St. Vincent Pilott High
School located at 113 St. Mary's Place.
The applicant proposes to build a
performing arts theater onto the
existing school fronting on the 9inth
Street and Montgomery Street sides of
the property. The building will have the
following features. The exterior of the
building will have split face masonry to
closely match existing red brick 2 feet
and 8 in above grade. The siding above
the split face masonry will be Siri
beige, royal blue, and terracotta as
manufactured by American Buildings
Company. The building will have white
fixed insulated windows on the night and
street elevation and exterior steel
doors painted Siri beige, although you
may note that they are rendered in
terracotta in the architectural drawing.
Uh the exterior lighting of the building
will be black LED lights to project
light no more than 50 ft from the
building structure. No change is
otherwise contemplated to the visible
exterior of the property. All of the
exterior work or rather all of the site
work, landscaping and fencing was done
in phase one of the project.
The board of appeals approved the
necessary variance for this project on
May 28th, 2026.
Uh as you noted, Madame Chair, um this
was approved by the historic district
commission on May 18th, 2021. Uh but the
project needed to be phased due to
financial concerns and the applicant was
unable to begin this part of the
construction before the previous
approval expired 12 months after it was
issued. The applicant's proposed
addition appears to meet the
requirements established in the city of
Laurel's Unified Land Development Code
and staff recommends the historic
district commission approve certificate
number HDC
C2027003.
Thank you. Mr. Palumbo, do you have
anything you would like to add?
>> Um, no. Just that uh you know, this was
» Um, no. Just that uh you know, this was
all um designed uh with the historic
district commission um u you know, five
years ago. It's totally different from
the way it was originally designed. We
worked very closely with the commission
at that time. Um and we did a lot of
things as as part of that. uh you know,
approval. Um because we also, if you
remember correctly, had some houses that
had to be taken down. Um we've even gone
as far as to save the brick from the
historic house to be incorporated into
this building as in the lobby of our um
uh of of the new performing arts center.
Um so it's all the same materials, same
colors, everything that we originally
started with. Um, if you've seen the
pictures, the the the fascia on this
project, um, it's not just follows the
roof line. It's designed to kind of
incorporate the rowouses to to look like
the rowouses across the street as well.
>> Okay. So, could you um
» Okay. So, could you um
put your screen on page 35?
Whoever screen we're looking at on the
application, could you put page 35 up
there, please? Scroll down to 35.
And I think we can probably rotate that
for you as well.
Is it?
» So that picture in the upper right, Mr.
Columbia. That's what we'll be seeing
from Ninth Street.
>> Yes. Yes, ma'am.
» Yes. Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. Um and at some point I heard
» Okay. Um and at some point I heard
someone mention the fencing and
landscaping was complete. I have not
seen any trees planted.
>> No, the landscaping has not been
» No, the landscaping has not been
completed. We um planted trees on the uh
and bushes on the um on the side where
the uh Keesler Center is and some in the
front. Uh, but we didn't do anything in
the back yet because we knew that we
would still be having construction, but
the landscaping plan is through the
county and that's all to be done
completed at the end of this project.
» There's there's over 200 plants that
will be going in.
>> Okay. I mean, I I was kind of, you know,
» Okay. I mean, I I was kind of, you know,
I've been waiting for the trees as I
drive on Ninth Street because I think
your neighbors would really appreciate
trees and the best time to plant a tree
is yesterday.
Are there any other comments or
questions from any commissioners?
>> Where exactly is the theater edition
» Where exactly is the theater edition
going?
So, if you have been on the back side of
Ninth Street and you've seen the uh the
these colors
uh back there, are you familiar with
that?
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
» Mhm. [clears throat]
>> So, that was supposed this was all
» So, that was supposed this was all
supposed to be built at the same time
and when COVID hit the price of
everything went up so high that we
didn't have the funds. So, uh, this
group actually approved us to do what we
did at that point knowing that this was
coming later. Um, and so it's just added
on. If you, if you look back there where
that is, you see the sidewalks and this
goes right inside the sidewalks. All the
sidewalks and all the underground stuff
was done knowing that this was coming in
the future. So, it fits right in there
where the uh sidewalks outline the gray
and the the green field in the back
there. So, it's it's added on to
what we built in 2020 24.
» Still don't know where it's going.
>> Okay. So, if if you're if you're looking
» Okay. So, if if you're if you're looking
at this picture here,
you're looking at a view from 9inth
Street. Yes.
>> Back towards almost like where the um
» Back towards almost like where the um
the Union Hall is.
>> Uhhuh.
» Uhhuh.
>> And you're looking back at Pilates
» And you're looking back at Pilates
property from the Union Hall back
towards Pilott.
So it this is right up, you know, this
this side comes out to almost to Ninth
Street.
So, this is going right in front of the
gymnasium
where there's currently a a grassy area
that looks like it could be an athletic
field but is not.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Oh, okay.
» There is not a very clear illustration
anywhere on this.
>> A site plan of some kind. Yeah,
» A site plan of some kind. Yeah,
>> there's a there's a site plan earlier
» there's a there's a site plan earlier
on. There is, but it is very hard to
read.
>> So, I think if I may, um, if you look at
» So, I think if I may, um, if you look at
this picture that's that's in the top
right corner, um, and you know, if you
start at where that tree is, which is
the corner of the proposed theater, and
you move over to the right, you can see
a building with sort of a sloping up
roof line.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> You see that? So, that sloping up roof
» You see that? So, that sloping up roof
line is the current athletic building.
And between that sloping roof line
building and the parking lot, there's
currently a large square of grass.
Does that help at all?
>> Yeah, I think so.
» Yeah, I think so.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So, the the theater will be facing
» So, the the theater will be facing
Montgomery.
» Uh yeah. Well, it it's in the corner of
this building
um facing 9inth and Montgomery. It's
it's right in that corner where the tree
is. Okay.
>> The the the rest of the building is is
» The the the rest of the building is is
um so the seating I mean the theater is
about 210 seats. So it's it's it takes
up about maybe 30% of this building and
the rest of it is a dance studio and
studios for all the performing arts.
>> Wonderful.
» Okay. On page 28 I have one more
question. Mhm.
>> Um, where did those lights go?
» Where are we?
>> Page 28.
» 27 28.
>> Those are those those are not approved
» Those are those those are not approved
lights. That's not what we have.
» Where there's some gooseeneck.
>> They're they're goose neck. I'm sorry.
» They're they're goose neck. I'm sorry.
This is Leonard Davis. They're
gooseeneck lights. That's not That was
those wall.
» Yeah.
The the lights that we have up there now
are the ones that were approved by by
the commission. These were not not
approved.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I don't know why they're still in there,
» I don't know why they're still in there,
but yeah.
» Okay.
>> Thank you. Any other comments or
» Thank you. Any other comments or
questions?
So, which lights are they going to be
using?
» Um,
they're they're an LE LED goose neck
light. Um, per the rendering, it's kind
of I think it's shown in the rendering
pretty well. They've got like a um
>> a metal stem that comes over and down.
» a metal stem that comes over and down.
It's kind of like a a classic a classic
look. So, it's not industrial like that.
>> There is an illustr There is a photo of
» There is an illustr There is a photo of
them. I'm looking to see what page
page six
there. That's it right there.
>> All right. Yeah, that's much better.
» All right. Yeah, that's much better.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
» Any other questions?
Madam chair, this is Mary Lane.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> I move to approve HDC
» I move to approve HDC
C
2027
0003 for 113 St. Mary's Place Pilates
High School.
>> Could I hear a second?
» Could I hear a second?
>> I second that motion.
» I second that motion.
>> Great. Aduro, we have a motion to
» Great. Aduro, we have a motion to
approve from Miss Les and a second from
uh Mr. De Laquente. Would you call the
role, please?
>> Miss Les,
» Miss Les,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Mr. Delente,
» Mr. Delente,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Frasier,
» Miss Frasier,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Muhammad,
» Miss Muhammad,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Mcini,
» Miss Mcini,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Motion carries.
» Motion carries.
>> You Thank you for coming back, Mr.
» You Thank you for coming back, Mr.
Palumbo.
>> Thank you all very Thank you very much.
» Thank you all very Thank you very much.
We're excited. Excited to get it going
here. Thank you very much.
>> Been a while. Sure.
» Been a while. Sure.
>> Thanks. All right. Goodbye. Thanks.
» Thanks. All right. Goodbye. Thanks.
>> You're very welcome. Have a good night.
» You're very welcome. Have a good night.
>> You, too.
» You, too.
>> Um, we had some tax credits approved. We
» Um, we had some tax credits approved. We
had staff approvals.
Uh, any questions?
If not,
I would entertain a motion to adjourn
from anyone.
>> I move that we adjourn.
» I move that we adjourn.
>> Thank you. Uh, Miss Frasier, uh, we will
» Thank you. Uh, Miss Frasier, uh, we will
not have a meeting in we don't have a
meeting in August. So, I wish you a good
rest of the summer and hope
hope it's cooler than it has been.
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