1 00:00:16,750 --> 00:01:16,139 Winchester's 2 00:01:16,149 --> 00:01:21,170 all right welcome everyone we will call 3 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:25,430 this February 20th 2020 meeting of the 4 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:27,080 Murray City Planning Commission to order 5 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,130 I'd like to welcome everyone tonight and 6 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:32,899 first order of business I'd like to 7 00:01:32,899 --> 00:01:35,240 introduce the people that we have here 8 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,539 with us on staff we have Jared Hall and 9 00:01:38,539 --> 00:01:42,380 Zach Smallwood I was gonna say little 10 00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:43,729 wood and that would have been very 11 00:01:43,729 --> 00:01:47,240 demeaning I'm sorry Zach Smalley 12 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,090 we have ned hacker i'm phil markham the 13 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:55,580 chairman tonight we are missing a few 14 00:01:55,580 --> 00:01:57,319 members tonight for various reasons but 15 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,659 we do have a quorum and so things will 16 00:01:59,659 --> 00:02:01,940 run smoothly I'm sure before we get 17 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:04,490 started tonight I would like to go over 18 00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:09,380 just some rules for the meeting when we 19 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:14,150 have I I will bring up the agenda items 20 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:16,370 I will review the agenda with you and 21 00:02:16,370 --> 00:02:19,700 then as I bring up the agenda item then 22 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:21,760 we will have a presentation from staff 23 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,769 we will have discussion with the 24 00:02:24,769 --> 00:02:26,600 Planning Commission we will allow for 25 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,489 public comment and we will bring it back 26 00:02:28,489 --> 00:02:31,519 up for a decision and when we have 27 00:02:31,519 --> 00:02:33,230 public comment I would first of all 28 00:02:33,230 --> 00:02:35,540 appreciate if you could turn off any 29 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:37,010 cell phones that you may have at this 30 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:40,060 time so we don't interrupt the meeting 31 00:02:40,060 --> 00:02:43,459 we request that anyone's anyone's 32 00:02:43,459 --> 00:02:45,950 welcome to speak when you come up please 33 00:02:45,950 --> 00:02:48,620 wait to be recognized by myself come up 34 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:50,329 to the podium state your name and 35 00:02:50,329 --> 00:02:52,700 address for the record and then you have 36 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:55,100 three minutes to address the topic at 37 00:02:55,100 --> 00:02:57,440 hand we would ask that if there's a lot 38 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,900 of comment on one particular item that 39 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:02,870 you try and keep the information flowing 40 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:05,269 with new information each time not not 41 00:03:05,269 --> 00:03:08,060 repeat the same information over and 42 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:10,879 over if you would please and if there is 43 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:12,470 anyone here representing a group of 44 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:15,340 people we will allow five minutes for 45 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:19,690 so with that I think we're ready to 46 00:03:19,690 --> 00:03:22,390 start so we'll we'll go to the agenda 47 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:26,050 and first item on our agenda there are a 48 00:03:26,050 --> 00:03:28,209 few business items and the first one is 49 00:03:28,209 --> 00:03:30,640 approval of minutes we have the three 50 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,010 minutes that we need to approve for 51 00:03:33,010 --> 00:03:43,030 tonight and we have minutes from January 52 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:47,290 16th Wow well let's let's start yeah 53 00:03:47,290 --> 00:03:49,870 January 2nd all right here we go 54 00:03:49,870 --> 00:03:52,480 December 5th January 2nd and January 55 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,670 16th I had my backwards after I clipped 56 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:57,280 them so has everyone had a chance to 57 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,989 review those minutes yes 58 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:05,440 any Corrections that anyone saw great we 59 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,690 did have one mention of a minor 60 00:04:07,690 --> 00:04:09,819 clerical correction in our pre meeting 61 00:04:09,819 --> 00:04:12,459 and that has been noted and so that that 62 00:04:12,459 --> 00:04:14,530 has been entered into the record but 63 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:17,079 with that I will I will call for a 64 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:21,280 motion to approve the minutes mr. chair 65 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:22,539 I'll make a motion that we approve the 66 00:04:22,539 --> 00:04:25,150 minutes from the December 5th January 67 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:27,280 2nd and January 16th fine and Zoning 68 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,130 mean like the second motion have a 69 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:32,080 motion from Scott Woodbury a second from 70 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,750 Lisa Malkovich to approve the minutes as 71 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:37,630 read into the record tonight those in 72 00:04:37,630 --> 00:04:38,410 favor aye 73 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:42,389 any opposed no ok carries unanimously 74 00:04:42,389 --> 00:04:46,000 the next item on our agenda is conflict 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,360 of interest do any members of the 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,919 Commission have any conflict of interest 77 00:04:50,919 --> 00:04:52,810 with any item on the agenda this evening 78 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:57,940 no no and I do not either so the final 79 00:04:57,940 --> 00:05:00,700 business item is approval of findings of 80 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:04,000 fact we have two findings of fact that 81 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,210 have previously been discussed by the 82 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:09,789 Commission we have one for Smith Family 83 00:05:09,789 --> 00:05:13,000 Dental and an additional one for fashion 84 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,370 place mall for signage fashion place 85 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:17,860 mall everyone's had a chance to review 86 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:22,270 those yes any Corrections I'll entertain 87 00:05:22,270 --> 00:05:23,979 a motion mr. chair all make a motion 88 00:05:23,979 --> 00:05:25,930 that we approved the findings of facts 89 00:05:25,930 --> 00:05:27,909 and conclusions for Smith Family Dental 90 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:28,660 which is a condition 91 00:05:28,660 --> 00:05:31,300 use permit to approve the construction 92 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:32,820 and operation of a new dental office and 93 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:36,460 fashion place signs which was to 94 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:39,400 conditional use permit to allow multiple 95 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,110 signage throughout the fashion place 96 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:42,490 mall property including an electronic 97 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:46,150 message center okay do I have a second I 98 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:48,910 second that motion you have a motion by 99 00:05:48,910 --> 00:05:50,890 second Woodbury a second by Ned hacker 100 00:05:50,890 --> 00:05:53,740 to approve the findings of fact for 101 00:05:53,740 --> 00:05:55,810 Smith Family Dental and fashion place 102 00:05:55,810 --> 00:05:59,140 signs all those in favor aye 103 00:05:59,140 --> 00:06:02,230 any opposed okay passes unanimously 104 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:04,900 thank you alright now we'll get to the 105 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:10,110 meat of our agenda tonight and the first 106 00:06:10,110 --> 00:06:18,400 conditional use agenda we have it is a 107 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,440 beautiful fence item number for a 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,840 beautiful fence incorporated at 41 95 109 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:27,370 South 500 West unit number 34 and Jared 110 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:29,260 Hall will be presenting this for us 111 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:37,420 tonight it is for a fence contractor 112 00:06:37,420 --> 00:06:40,720 this is m-g zoning in d what commonly is 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,330 referred to as the Garko industrial park 114 00:06:43,330 --> 00:06:46,540 unit number is right in here I believe 115 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:48,850 it is M G Zoning contractors are 116 00:06:48,850 --> 00:06:50,980 required to get conditional use permit 117 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:54,000 approval to operate they're in that zone 118 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,280 it's a standard unit number 34 nine 119 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:58,750 hundred square feet there's a small rest 120 00:06:58,750 --> 00:07:00,100 room a small office the rest of the 121 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:02,919 space is shop space that they plan to 122 00:07:02,919 --> 00:07:05,410 use for this fence contracting business 123 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:07,360 and installation they have a couple of 124 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,250 places where they all set up their table 125 00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:11,080 saw metal saws have a little bit of 126 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,470 storage inside the unit that's all all 127 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:17,020 fairly appropriate one of the conditions 128 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:19,300 was that we look at the electrical 129 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:20,680 situation with a permit to make sure 130 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,169 that everything has been done correctly 131 00:07:22,169 --> 00:07:24,480 you'll see that in your conditions 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,560 another condition that we worry about in 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,690 Garko is storage of anything outside 134 00:07:28,690 --> 00:07:30,430 materials cannot be stored outside 135 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:31,960 there's not a space for emergency 136 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,460 services to get through if that happens 137 00:07:33,460 --> 00:07:35,590 so we don't allow outdoor storage of any 138 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:37,630 materials or of the work vehicle in this 139 00:07:37,630 --> 00:07:39,100 case because there are only two parking 140 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,790 stalls available for any unit in gar 141 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,390 and that's no exception here we do just 142 00:07:45,390 --> 00:07:47,160 wanted to mention also that we look at a 143 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,470 DEA requirements when we process 144 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:52,200 anything in this industrial park the 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,190 Commission a couple of months ago 146 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:54,810 recently required someone else to have 147 00:07:54,810 --> 00:07:57,680 install an ad a compliance stall nearby 148 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,630 and so we're not requesting that in this 149 00:08:00,630 --> 00:08:04,980 case we are recommending approval of the project with the following five 150 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:07,320 conditions one of them being that they 151 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,180 get a license for this also that they 152 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:10,890 keep all the storage and the activity 153 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:14,100 for the work inside the unit including 154 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:16,680 the storage of the vehicle the work 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,180 truck and that that clear access be 156 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:20,250 maintained you have any questions for 157 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,680 staff George can you address the 158 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,890 handicapped parking yeah I'm sure you 159 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:26,250 bet 160 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:28,620 so I'm gonna forget which unit it was or 161 00:08:28,620 --> 00:08:31,170 I think it was number 31 or 30 31 and 32 162 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:33,180 perhaps that we just recently in 163 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:35,340 November or December process that 164 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:37,740 application for Lake City motors and one 165 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:39,300 of their conditions was to to turn one 166 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:40,380 of the parking stalls they had available 167 00:08:40,380 --> 00:08:42,210 into an ad a compliant but an accessible 168 00:08:42,210 --> 00:08:44,760 stall they're working on that now and 169 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,470 that will that will cover the 170 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:50,610 requirements as a reminder one out of 171 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:53,580 every 25 stalls is supposed to be a DA 172 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:55,590 accessible in the project so years ago 173 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:57,150 with Garko we started looking at the 174 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:58,770 project and making sure that we got one 175 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:01,800 about every 25 stalls so that row will 176 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,510 be taken care of with that Lake City 177 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:05,280 motors application excellent thank you 178 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,280 thanks any any questions for Jerry not a 179 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,960 question but Jared just a small little 180 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,830 clerical error condition number three 181 00:09:12,830 --> 00:09:16,260 one letter adequate fire land I think it 182 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:21,330 should be adequate fire lane I'm 183 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:27,500 constantly learning alright 184 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:30,540 well seeing that we have no further 185 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:32,520 questions from staff on this right now 186 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,130 we'll we'll open this item for Pablo 187 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:37,620 excuse me we'd like to the applicant to 188 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:40,230 come forward please and address us and 189 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:43,530 add any additional information if if 190 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:44,820 there is anything you'd like to add or 191 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:46,980 ask questions sorry about that 192 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:49,380 hello my name is Michelle Castro and I 193 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:51,030 don't have any questions did you state 194 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:51,960 your address 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,950 my home address is 42 93 west stain 196 00:09:55,950 --> 00:09:59,130 Avenue West Valley City Utah 841 to zero 197 00:09:59,130 --> 00:10:01,710 okay and you've you've read the 198 00:10:01,710 --> 00:10:04,590 conditions attached to this and and are 199 00:10:04,590 --> 00:10:07,710 you able to meet those yes okay anything 200 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:11,820 else you'd like to add okay if you'll 201 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:13,740 take a seat we'll we'll see if there's 202 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:16,050 public comment for this and if there is 203 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:17,520 we'll ask you to come back up and 204 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,590 address anything that might come up okay 205 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:23,760 thank you all right with that I will 206 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,580 open this agenda item up for public 207 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:27,870 comment if there's anyone here that 208 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:30,690 would like to address any any part of 209 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:32,670 this application we welcome you to come 210 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:38,190 up to the podium at this time okay 211 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:40,020 seeing none I'll close the public 212 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:42,990 comment bring it back up here to staff 213 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:45,810 and see if there's any further 214 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:51,290 discussion or if you see fit a motion 215 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:54,030 I'd like to make a motion that we 216 00:10:54,030 --> 00:10:55,650 approve a conditional use permit to 217 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:57,120 allow the operation of a fence 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,830 installation business on the property 219 00:10:58,830 --> 00:11:02,310 located at four one nine five South 500 220 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:04,980 west unit number 34 subject to 221 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:08,300 conditions one through five as discussed 222 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:11,280 I'll second have a motion by Lisa 223 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,580 Malkovich a second by Scott Woodbury to 224 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:16,140 approve a conditional use permit to 225 00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:17,400 allow the operation of a fence 226 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,200 installation business on the property 227 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,650 located at 41 95 South 500 west unit 228 00:11:22,650 --> 00:11:25,200 number 34 subject to conditions one 229 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,240 through five as stated in the 230 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:37,710 application call for a vote please yes yes yes okay motion carries the 231 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:39,570 conditional use permit has been approved 232 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:42,990 and so just communicate with staff and 233 00:11:42,990 --> 00:11:44,460 know they'll get you all taken care of 234 00:11:44,460 --> 00:11:46,590 welcome to Marie I hope the business is 235 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:52,080 successful for you okay all right our 236 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,690 next agenda item is a little bit 237 00:11:54,690 --> 00:11:58,710 different from from a typical item that 238 00:11:58,710 --> 00:12:02,310 we handle in that we have three agenda 239 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:04,680 items that will be combined into one for 240 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:05,880 presentation purpose 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,210 tonight this this particular 242 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:11,550 presentation will deal with agenda items 243 00:12:11,550 --> 00:12:14,760 number five six and seven and they are 244 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,880 the Utah education association new 245 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,550 office building project also a 246 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:22,560 subdivision project dealing with 247 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,900 Arrowhead Lane condominiums and 248 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:27,810 amendment to that and that pertains to 249 00:12:27,810 --> 00:12:29,370 this particular piece of property and 250 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:32,310 also the Pontiac subdivision so it's a 251 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:35,520 one lot subdivision amendment so it's uh 252 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,460 it's a little more complicated just in 253 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:40,860 reading it out but I'm sure Zach 254 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:44,940 Smallwood will be able to explain it 255 00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:46,800 very clearly so we all know what's going 256 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,710 on very clearly Thank You chair for that 257 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:57,290 introduction so yeah this is a a 258 00:12:57,290 --> 00:13:02,130 multi-step process what I'm going to do 259 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:05,670 for the sake of the audience here today 260 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:08,850 is I'm going to go through this through 261 00:13:08,850 --> 00:13:11,910 a number of steps and I apologize I 262 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:13,950 should have put it as the next slide but 263 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:15,660 we'll get the property kind of 264 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:18,150 information out of the way it's located 265 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:20,910 here on ninth east between Arrowhead 266 00:13:20,910 --> 00:13:24,750 Lane and Pontiac Drive it's in the Geo 267 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:28,410 Zone which actually leads to what we're 268 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:30,990 going to talk about here so these are 269 00:13:30,990 --> 00:13:34,890 what I've laid out is the six steps that 270 00:13:34,890 --> 00:13:37,920 we are working with UEA 271 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,160 so that they can obtain a new office 272 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,110 building that is the ultimate goal here 273 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:45,570 is so that they can get a new office 274 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:48,420 building and stay within Murray because 275 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:51,420 they do like the community here so I 276 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:56,160 will start with number one the general 277 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,590 plan end zone change was heard and 278 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:05,100 approved by it was heard by you guys who 279 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:09,180 sent a positive recommendation in 2018 I 280 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:12,210 think October or so and the City Council 281 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:14,850 approved in December of 2018 282 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:17,920 so you can tell how long they've been 283 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,480 working on this they've been working for 284 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,450 over a year on just getting to this next 285 00:14:22,450 --> 00:14:24,550 step which is the most complicated step 286 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:27,160 which are steps two three and four which 287 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,510 is what we're here for tonight step two 288 00:14:31,510 --> 00:14:36,670 is a partial vacation that sounds a lot 289 00:14:36,670 --> 00:14:39,550 more fun than it really is of the 290 00:14:39,550 --> 00:14:43,269 Arrowhead Lane condo subdivision so what 291 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:46,690 that entails so here you can see the 292 00:14:46,690 --> 00:14:50,620 property as it sits today or what 293 00:14:50,620 --> 00:14:52,480 they're proposing to do what they're 294 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,519 proposing to do sorry I'm trying to keep 295 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:01,000 my thoughts right so this goes along 296 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,600 here this is the existing property line 297 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,000 that has the condo subdivision I'll back 298 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,070 up a little bit as well 299 00:15:09,070 --> 00:15:13,510 condos much like if you were to you know 300 00:15:13,510 --> 00:15:15,820 buy a townhome or buy a condo and the 301 00:15:15,820 --> 00:15:18,579 high-rise businesses are also able to 302 00:15:18,579 --> 00:15:21,010 condominium eyes and sell portions of 303 00:15:21,010 --> 00:15:24,459 their building and that's what had 304 00:15:24,459 --> 00:15:27,910 happened at some point in the past you 305 00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:30,279 EA had decided they used to own this 306 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:32,440 entire building I believe and then we're 307 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,029 subletting some of it out and then 308 00:15:34,029 --> 00:15:36,399 decided to Conte condo these out so that 309 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,910 they could sell portions of the property 310 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:44,740 so you can see here this is the location 311 00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:49,320 of UE a currently this is a condo out 312 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,940 into I believe four units so what you EA 313 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:58,060 is proposing to do is withdraw from that 314 00:15:58,060 --> 00:16:03,160 condominium plat a portion which is this 315 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,050 part here which is about half an acre 316 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,300 which is largely used as parking right 317 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:13,000 now in that area and as part of that 318 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,279 they need to demolish a portion of the 319 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,529 building in this location here that 320 00:16:22,529 --> 00:16:25,170 building code does not allow for 321 00:16:25,170 --> 00:16:28,120 property lines to run through existing 322 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,750 building 323 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:31,510 this was an addition that's no longer in 324 00:16:31,510 --> 00:16:32,560 use by UEA 325 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,150 and so this would allow them to 326 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:41,590 construct that lot so that will be that 327 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:45,970 is agenda item number five but step two 328 00:16:45,970 --> 00:16:49,870 in this process I didn't know the most 329 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:51,670 appropriate place to place the pictures 330 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:53,350 so they're right here in the middle of 331 00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:55,720 the presentation this kind of explains 332 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,040 where the property is in location pretty 333 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,840 much where these pictures are taken is 334 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,829 where this new property will be located 335 00:17:04,829 --> 00:17:10,120 along these sections here so that's 336 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:13,570 number two number three is a single law 337 00:17:13,570 --> 00:17:16,600 subdivision so when you withdraw from 338 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,190 that condo you have just a piece of land 339 00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:24,790 sitting there state code requires that 340 00:17:24,790 --> 00:17:29,620 any land be subdivided so that's what 341 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:34,690 the single law subdivision entails which 342 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:37,330 would result in this which is just a 343 00:17:37,330 --> 00:17:41,950 single lot that does meet all of the 344 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:44,790 requirements for the general office zone 345 00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:50,080 there are sorry let me get to that page 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,540 so has to happen there's no lot area 347 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:58,060 requirements it does have to have a 348 00:17:58,060 --> 00:18:00,340 width of 90 feet which we would measure 349 00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:03,640 that here they have approximately 195 350 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,130 there hundred ninety six there is a 20 351 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:12,160 foot front setback again would be 352 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,300 measured here and then a corner side 353 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:18,670 yard setback of 20 feet as well which 354 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:22,720 would be measured here but there is no 355 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,100 rear setback unless you are adjacent to 356 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,380 a residential zone because this is not 357 00:18:29,380 --> 00:18:31,990 adjacent to a residential zone it would 358 00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:37,180 not have a setback requirement that 359 00:18:37,180 --> 00:18:42,910 being said we will jump into 360 00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:45,860 step four which is the conditional use 361 00:18:45,860 --> 00:18:48,850 permit for the actual building itself 362 00:18:48,850 --> 00:18:52,310 anything within the general office zone 363 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:55,430 does require Planning Commission review 364 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:56,960 and approval through a conditional use 365 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,910 permit for any new buildings being 366 00:18:58,910 --> 00:19:02,690 constructed in this zone so this is the 367 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:05,900 existing or the new building site plan 368 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:09,640 as it sits will sit if if approved 369 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,870 temporarily and we'll get into that in 370 00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:14,780 just a moment the building would be 371 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:18,350 built approximately here does meet those 372 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:22,910 setbacks the front is required 20 373 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:30,250 they're proposing 31 the corner side is 374 00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:33,680 approximately 33 feet so 33 feet from 375 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,940 the back of sidewalk here to the 376 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:41,300 building so there's additional nine and 377 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:44,930 a half feet or so of park strip and 378 00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:47,930 sidewalk as well so you're roughly 40 379 00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:51,140 feet from the street 40-something feet 380 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:52,910 from the street and then you have the 381 00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:59,620 street there as well so some of the 382 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:01,970 items that we look at during a 383 00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:05,180 conditional use permit approval was 384 00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:07,300 those setbacks 385 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:12,260 we do have height requirements height 386 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:15,160 requirements in the Geo zone are 30 feet 387 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,480 in the any single-family residential 388 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,310 zone is allowed to build up to 35 feet 389 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:25,280 in height so this is actually lower than 390 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,190 you could be built within a 391 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:30,920 single-family residence they are 392 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,100 proposing actually 32 feet and in your 393 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,870 staff report I have called that out and 394 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:38,810 stated that it was a mess on my part and 395 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:41,840 that I've called it out as a condition 396 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,820 of approval that they need to reduce 397 00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:47,300 that by 2 additional feet the 398 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,320 landscaping 399 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,440 our landscaping requirements requires 400 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:57,630 One Tree I'm sorry 401 00:20:57,630 --> 00:20:59,400 can't remember it I'm losing my mind 402 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,370 with all this information I have to 403 00:21:01,370 --> 00:21:07,320 throw out so three trees five 5-gallon 404 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,050 shrubs and ten 1 gallon shrubs for every 405 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:13,800 100 linear feet of frontage on a public 406 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,620 right-of-way so that would have been 407 00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:18,900 along here along 9th east and pontiac 408 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:22,860 drive through review they are meeting 409 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:26,730 the tree standards I'm gonna need a more 410 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:28,380 detailed site plan at the time of 411 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:30,929 building permit submit all for me to 412 00:21:30,929 --> 00:21:32,340 review that make sure that they're going 413 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:35,429 to meet up with it most of this just 414 00:21:35,429 --> 00:21:38,970 said general landscaping lawn shrubs 415 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:41,340 things like that so that will have to be 416 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:46,020 addressed this is kind of the fun part 417 00:21:46,020 --> 00:21:49,440 this is the floor plan this is the main 418 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,270 level floor plan you can see most of it 419 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:55,580 is almost all of it is used for 420 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:58,050 conference space office space much of 421 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:02,580 what they're doing now and just as an 422 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:04,260 aside here part of the reason that they 423 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:07,190 wanted to do a new office building is 424 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:11,210 the costs to repair the existing 425 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:15,090 structure were far outweighing the cost 426 00:22:15,090 --> 00:22:19,110 of a new building and so apparent I 427 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:21,179 believe they've said the applicant has 428 00:22:21,179 --> 00:22:23,340 told me that there are leaks in the roof 429 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:25,230 and repairing that is just an exorbitant 430 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:27,809 cost that they can't incur and so it's 431 00:22:27,809 --> 00:22:29,580 actually cheaper for them to build a new 432 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:32,429 building and stay on site than it is to 433 00:22:32,429 --> 00:22:36,140 do that so this will provide a new 434 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:39,690 updated facility for them to continue 435 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:44,200 their operations as they've been doing 436 00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:47,820 this is second level floor plan a lot of 437 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:50,520 this I believe I'm sorry it was on the 438 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,740 first floor where a lot of this actually 439 00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:54,809 provides them opportunities to grow as 440 00:22:54,809 --> 00:22:56,760 well these are kind of office spaces 441 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,950 that aren't using at the moment so this 442 00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:00,780 does provide them some additional growth 443 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:05,370 possibilities there some of the 444 00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:10,210 elevations for you 445 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:13,559 this is the illustrative stripe site 446 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:17,490 plan this kind of shows more this is 447 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:19,410 more reflective of what the building is 448 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:21,480 going to be and what the full build-out 449 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,230 of the site will be and as you can see 450 00:23:25,230 --> 00:23:27,150 this is where the existing building is 451 00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:29,400 right now this little outline here which 452 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,100 is going to stay for the time being 453 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:37,040 while they build this new building and 454 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,419 then once they move out of that building 455 00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:41,790 or once this new building is is 456 00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:44,190 constructed they will be moving out of 457 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,290 that and demolishing a portion of this 458 00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:50,250 building so that they can recoup some of 459 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:52,700 the the parking that may have been lost 460 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,650 which I apologize I didn't address at 461 00:23:55,650 --> 00:24:00,240 all the parking that they did have the 462 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,610 site is currently parked with 295 stalls 463 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:09,929 I believe was my final number yes 295 464 00:24:09,929 --> 00:24:13,440 stalls the requirement for the buildings 465 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,840 the the entire site even the neighboring 466 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,370 site which is go back to this aerial 467 00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:24,660 here so for this building and this 468 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,410 building I calculated the total parking 469 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:30,200 because they are connected 470 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,480 that was the 295 they are required to 471 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,020 have 185 so they're well in excess of 472 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:40,650 that with the new building at 473 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:44,309 approximately I believe I think it's 474 00:24:44,309 --> 00:24:48,570 24,000 square feet they need to have a 475 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:52,169 total of 253 with construction of that 476 00:24:52,169 --> 00:24:56,549 new building with the parking removed 477 00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:59,220 they will still be at 258 spaces 478 00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:02,190 provided so there's still five spaces 479 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:06,690 over what's required even though they 480 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:09,570 intend to remove the building in the 481 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:12,090 future and provide more parking in the 482 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:17,220 future so that gets us through steps 2 3 483 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:17,580 & 4 484 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:20,220 the last thing I'll touch on I apologize 485 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:20,890 it in 486 00:25:20,890 --> 00:25:24,100 so the the nice pictures the the L of 487 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,400 the renderings that they had provided of 488 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,950 the building so this here would be nine 489 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:33,340 hundred east this would be turning into 490 00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:36,730 Pontiac over here this would be kind of 491 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:41,260 in the parking lot area this would be 492 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:44,170 again within the parking lot area it's 493 00:25:44,170 --> 00:25:50,170 not so this is in the parking lot area 494 00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:52,180 and then this would be on nine hundred 495 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:56,500 East itself so like I said that gets us 496 00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,640 through step four this is purely 497 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,060 informational at this point but steps 498 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,220 five and six which will require you to 499 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:08,830 an additional approval in the future 500 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:14,710 after they are done they anticipate to 501 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:16,570 demolish like I've mentioned the 502 00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:19,300 remainder of their site so that they can 503 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,060 improve the rest of it to show 504 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:23,080 additional parking additional 505 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,820 landscaping etc and leave this portion 506 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:30,240 of the of the arrowhead condominium 507 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,960 commercial condominiums 508 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:38,110 intact so with that we are recommending 509 00:26:38,110 --> 00:26:42,910 approval on all three the withdrawal the 510 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:44,110 partial withdrawal of the condominium 511 00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:49,780 which is step two here the single law 512 00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:52,740 subdivision preliminary and final and 513 00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:56,230 the conditional use permit for the 514 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:58,930 building itself that was a lot of 515 00:26:58,930 --> 00:27:02,380 information I just threw at you I'm sure 516 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:04,090 there will be questions and I'm happy to 517 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:06,820 answer anything that you have at the 518 00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:07,540 moment 519 00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:11,200 I'll start Zack just do we have a slide 520 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,370 of what it will look like with a a 521 00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:17,980 future building with the portion that 522 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:21,250 they are going to demolish wiped out and 523 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:23,020 then that remaining part there I'd just 524 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,540 like to see kind of a footprint of what 525 00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:30,150 that might look like I like this one or 526 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:32,680 all of that is not going to stay the old 527 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,530 building 528 00:27:33,530 --> 00:27:35,990 right what do you know the old building 529 00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:38,510 outline that's that's gone right right 530 00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:41,180 but you're talking about maintaining a 531 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,810 portion of the condominium ice-t-- old 532 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:47,690 office did I did I get that correct is 533 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:49,340 that more of the long the lines that 534 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:52,910 you're looking that has the this is the 535 00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:55,310 new building okay this is the existing 536 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:57,560 and everything that's existing will be 537 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,070 gone eventually well except for this 538 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:03,650 little okay that's that's kind of what I 539 00:28:03,650 --> 00:28:07,430 was getting at is I I just we don't know 540 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:10,460 right Zack we don't have a desire map 541 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:14,360 that shows us what it'll look like after 542 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,770 they've demolished some of the existing 543 00:28:15,770 --> 00:28:17,270 building that's correct 544 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:20,810 and and it's at this point that would be 545 00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:23,510 coming more at a later point they'll do 546 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:26,780 final design work and final improvements 547 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:29,630 during steps five and six that will lay 548 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:31,790 out the rest of the site work to make 549 00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:34,130 sure that it it is complete I mean it 550 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,040 meets code as it is but to make it 551 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:42,230 better and Zack if I'm correct and 552 00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:45,560 traditionally when we're reviewing you 553 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,030 know subdivision projects we're not even 554 00:28:47,030 --> 00:28:48,710 necessarily looking at the building per 555 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:52,130 se right now during that for the 556 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:54,230 preliminary yes 557 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:56,450 during that preliminary part yes this is 558 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:58,460 a unique situation I know this is unique 559 00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:59,810 but that's I'm trying to draw some 560 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:01,880 comparisons so they will be coming back 561 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,010 we will see additional designs for the 562 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:07,040 final the final yes so there may be some 563 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,240 tweaks obviously the building has to be 564 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,890 a little shorter two feet and some of 565 00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:12,560 those other things it would be great you 566 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,120 know to commissioner markings and share 567 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,310 Markham's to see what it would look like 568 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:18,320 long term with whatever building if they 569 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,560 have that yeah and Ashley Atkinson she 570 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,240 just stood up and gave me this is an 571 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,910 updated version of of that same drawing 572 00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:27,530 with the portion of that building there 573 00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:30,050 I can if you guys permit I can allow you 574 00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:32,300 guys to see it if you'd like that's it's 575 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,040 just illustrative at this point it 576 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,330 doesn't serve I didn't sure addition 577 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:36,440 that would make sure that would be great 578 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,600 I think yeah additional comments and 579 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,910 questions for Zack 580 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,270 Zach and in terms of impact on 581 00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:53,300 neighborhoods as you addressed earlier 582 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,410 and thank you for your detailed 583 00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:56,840 information you know this the height 584 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,820 restriction is actually lower than if it 585 00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:01,000 was a single-family residential home 586 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,620 they are addressing ingress and egress 587 00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:06,290 through closing to some some different 588 00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:08,870 accesses and that if you go to the next slide 589 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:11,090 Zach now the previous one sorry that 590 00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:15,920 colored one yeah so what you're saying 591 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,300 is where these will be our future 592 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,940 entries which will actually allow a 593 00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:22,970 little bit better traffic flow to be 594 00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:25,040 able to come in on to Pontiac or 595 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,840 Arrowhead and go back out to the light 596 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,190 is that what you're saying yeah and 597 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:31,490 actually I did not address that as as 598 00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:35,660 well in this part as as much as I should 599 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,670 have 600 00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:40,550 so what I would this probably shows the 601 00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:45,790 best version of it so as you can see as 602 00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:48,860 the property sits today there are three 603 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:51,110 entries into this site there's an 604 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:53,900 entrance here right adjacent adjacent to 605 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:59,510 900 East there's actually this serves as 606 00:30:59,510 --> 00:31:02,660 one but it's technically two because 607 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:06,650 this this sidewalk here actually is a 608 00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:09,500 raised sidewalk so you can't cross this 609 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,720 with a vehicle so there's an there's an 610 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,160 entry here entry here entry here and 611 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,420 then an entry here on the north side as 612 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:22,670 well and Zach and what they're proposing 613 00:31:22,670 --> 00:31:24,350 is to eliminate essentially the the 614 00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:26,480 furthest to towards ninth east on 615 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,680 Pontiac that's correct 616 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,630 let me have the one so they will have 617 00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:32,300 they will be removing that section this 618 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,430 the one that would be right here they're 619 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:36,620 consolidating this one so that you can 620 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,350 actually get through and circulate into 621 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:44,760 the site a little bit better as well 622 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:46,940 we're talking about flow of traffic 623 00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:48,020 little bit but we really haven't talked 624 00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:50,390 about traffic numbers like a traffic 625 00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:53,210 study but we're not anticipating change 626 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:55,550 in visits to the site because the same 627 00:31:55,550 --> 00:31:58,160 company same business that's correct 628 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,410 yeah and and that's 629 00:31:59,410 --> 00:32:01,090 actually I believe it's conditioned in 630 00:32:01,090 --> 00:32:03,910 one of the motions here that a temperate 631 00:32:03,910 --> 00:32:07,120 that at most we will only accept or we 632 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,250 will only provide a temporary 633 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:12,880 certificate of occupancy that way we 634 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,500 have a control that they would not that 635 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,750 you ei could not build this building and 636 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:21,610 then decide oh we're not going to tear 637 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:23,260 it down after all we're going to lease 638 00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:25,750 this out and use additional stuff so 639 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:28,390 there's a temporary certificate of 640 00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:30,210 occupancy that allows them to move in 641 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:32,230 but we wouldn't issue a final 642 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:34,690 certificate of occupancy until after 643 00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:40,270 that the demolish demolition of the rest 644 00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:43,210 of that site that's a nice addition of 645 00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:49,210 information yes any other questions at 646 00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:51,180 this time for Zack we'll have another 647 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:54,190 opportunity I'm sure here shortly okay 648 00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:57,040 is is the applicant present if you'd 649 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,270 like to come up sir and and address the 650 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:02,800 Commission with any additional 651 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,750 information or perhaps answer any 652 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:06,790 questions that you may have heard Thank 653 00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:08,230 You Commissioner Markham I appreciate it 654 00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:09,670 and thank you Planning Commission for 655 00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:12,040 the opportunity to speak my name is Brad 656 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,610 bartels 657 00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:15,190 I am the executive director of the Utah 658 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,590 Education Association and I'm here to 659 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:19,750 speak to you on behalf of our 18,000 660 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:23,320 members that are statewide our Murray 661 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,140 headquarters is basically our spiritual 662 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:29,080 and organizational home and it has been 663 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,810 for quite some time I personally have 664 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:34,030 always wanted the challenge I'm working 665 00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:35,740 with these professional associations to 666 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:39,190 be part of building a new building we're 667 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:40,030 part of the National Education 668 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:43,120 Association it's fair to say there are 669 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,190 state affiliates in every state in fact 670 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:48,280 Utah has - one of them is currently one 671 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,800 of our partners in our building and it's 672 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,820 fair to say that a lot of those 673 00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:54,670 buildings are in disrepair and I used to 674 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:56,560 work in Colorado and we had a very large 675 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,480 building that was in disrepair and we 676 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,910 are unable to basically make changes and 677 00:34:00,910 --> 00:34:03,220 build a new building so this is a huge 678 00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:05,800 opportunity for our Association here in 679 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,740 Utah to actually kind of revamp our home 680 00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:11,980 in Murree and keep that going 681 00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:14,200 I sought that challenge I've never had 682 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,450 that opportunity before so that's big so 683 00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:18,369 I've been here for about a year and a 684 00:34:18,369 --> 00:34:21,129 half and I've come to know our building 685 00:34:21,129 --> 00:34:23,829 and I can to think about our partners in 686 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:25,659 our building is it's more like a condo 687 00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:29,649 maximum than a condominium we have our 688 00:34:29,649 --> 00:34:31,569 other state affiliate of the Utah State 689 00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:33,549 Employees Association that actually 690 00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:36,190 houses in our building we're gonna 691 00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:38,379 maintain they're part of the condominium 692 00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:40,929 association along with two of our unit 693 00:34:40,929 --> 00:34:44,230 affiliates so ultimately in step six of 694 00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:46,149 this process that part of the building 695 00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:49,269 will still be there that's not part of 696 00:34:49,269 --> 00:34:53,499 the application here tonight but that's really our future plan and I 697 00:34:53,499 --> 00:34:55,950 believe Commissioner Markham you saw 698 00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:58,029 that kind of the picture of what that 699 00:34:58,029 --> 00:35:00,609 footprint of that remaining buildings 700 00:35:00,609 --> 00:35:03,640 going to be so so again our home is here 701 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,980 in Murray and our current building is 702 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:08,200 housed our association for 53 years 703 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,170 there to say that our current building 704 00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:14,559 is in disrepair probably is really an 705 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,210 understatement 706 00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:18,670 it is if we didn't demolish it on 707 00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:19,359 purpose 708 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,759 it would probably demolish itself very 709 00:35:21,759 --> 00:35:23,619 quickly and so we're in a position where 710 00:35:23,619 --> 00:35:26,470 we really have to do something it is 711 00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:29,859 true that the the cost of remodeling 712 00:35:29,859 --> 00:35:31,269 this building is in the millions of 713 00:35:31,269 --> 00:35:33,849 dollars and it's not something we felt 714 00:35:33,849 --> 00:35:35,170 like was a good investment of our 715 00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:37,539 members money all the money that Utah 716 00:35:37,539 --> 00:35:40,630 Education Association uses is member 717 00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:42,789 dues all of our money comes from our 718 00:35:42,789 --> 00:35:44,980 eighteen thousand members so we've got a 719 00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:46,930 strong fiduciary obligation and make 720 00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:49,720 sure we're spending that money wisely so 721 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,640 I have come to find out in the last year 722 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,920 and a half I've been the recipient of a 723 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,670 lot of marie-laure and a lot of Utah 724 00:35:57,670 --> 00:36:00,279 Education Association lower yes our 725 00:36:00,279 --> 00:36:02,680 building is haunted our current building 726 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,420 so we're gonna try to lay some of those 727 00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:08,890 ghosts to rest with this move it is we 728 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:11,019 are a neighborhood partner I mean I when 729 00:36:11,019 --> 00:36:12,549 I go to work in the morning I see people 730 00:36:12,549 --> 00:36:14,640 walking their dogs around our campus 731 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,529 I've heard stories about romance as 732 00:36:17,529 --> 00:36:19,869 being initiated with picnics and are in 733 00:36:19,869 --> 00:36:22,059 our grass over the years it's a very 734 00:36:22,059 --> 00:36:24,069 friendly neighborhood and we are 735 00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:25,280 definitely a part of it 736 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,230 there is a I don't know how else to say 737 00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:30,230 it it's a really good vibe there and 738 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,000 it's something we really want to retain 739 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,040 it's very important for our association 740 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,340 to retain that so now we've got an 741 00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:39,080 opportunity to really build something 742 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,310 new and really strengthen that 743 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:42,470 relationship with the city of Murray in 744 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:44,180 with our neighbor and with our neighbors 745 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:46,220 in our neighborhood and we can build new 746 00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:49,070 traditions new relationships we can 747 00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:50,510 continue to have that kind of community 748 00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:52,820 integration that's so important for us 749 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:56,750 Murray is our home in our association we 750 00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:58,130 want to build a new and attractive 751 00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:59,540 building to really strengthen that 752 00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:02,480 tradition we want people coming to 753 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,840 Murray statewide our members patronising 754 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,760 Murray businesses and understanding that 755 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,580 Murray is really our home so it's very 756 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:12,860 important that we stay there and not 757 00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:14,900 just sell the building or move elsewhere 758 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,570 or develop other property this is a long 759 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:20,570 term tradition and it's very important 760 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:22,580 for us to make sure that we retain that 761 00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:24,320 tradition so we're really excited about 762 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,470 our future as you hear about our request 763 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:29,690 for our conditional use permit and the 764 00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:31,190 Arrowhead condominium and Pontiac 765 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:33,740 subdivision projects we hope that you'll 766 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:36,290 be excited about that too and I'm happy 767 00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:37,970 to answer any questions you might have 768 00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:44,060 questions from I have one just projected 769 00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:47,360 numbers of employees that will be 770 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,900 utilizing the facility exclusive of the 771 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:52,580 new building obviously that's that's 772 00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:56,030 proposed down the road in that that's not part of this discussion 773 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,790 tonight but is there going to be any 774 00:37:58,790 --> 00:38:01,400 change in the number of employees and 775 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:10,370 cars so we currently have one lessee but 776 00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:13,730 it's one of our our local we call them 777 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:16,220 local option units it's one of our state 778 00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:18,730 of like smaller state affiliate offices 779 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:20,930 they have a number of employees they are 780 00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:22,580 actually going to be leasing from us in 781 00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:25,490 the new building we have the potential 782 00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:29,960 that one of our partners that is that 783 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,850 it's still part of the new footprint may 784 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:34,220 be leasing from us in the future we have 785 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:36,470 two what we call state option affiliate 786 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:37,210 units 787 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:40,600 one is in Ogden one represents Eastern 788 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,430 Utah and they office in our building and 789 00:38:42,430 --> 00:38:43,930 so we're gonna have the same number of 790 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:48,880 employees the same number of lessees in 791 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,710 our building so it's not going to impact 792 00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:53,350 parking at all all right thank you I 793 00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:54,040 appreciate that 794 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,380 anything anything else for the applicant 795 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:59,140 at this time thank you very much I think 796 00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:00,580 we may have some questions here you're 797 00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:03,430 following this all right we have heard 798 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:06,730 from the staff and from the applicant I 799 00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:10,930 will open up this agenda item for public 800 00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:13,960 comment if you would like to speak just 801 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,120 please wait momentarily to be recognized 802 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,380 we'll have you come up to the podium 803 00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:19,360 state your name and address for the 804 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,410 record and and allow you to voice any 805 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:24,400 comments or concerns that you may have 806 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080 so with that public comment is open 807 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:39,220 please 808 00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:42,810 I'm Lori Sweeney I have a residential 809 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:47,460 home at 51 95 south 820 east within the 810 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:49,170 500 feet where we got the notice to 811 00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,589 about this meeting our biggest concern 812 00:39:52,589 --> 00:39:57,930 is parking egress and the timeline for 813 00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:00,450 building because it's getting impact how 814 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:04,819 we access our homes during construction 815 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:07,740 it may stay within the parking lot but 816 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:09,119 that's one of the things that were 817 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,819 concerned about the timeline how long 818 00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:14,069 that's going to last one year two years 819 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:17,550 five years that kind of thing one of the 820 00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:19,260 thing couple things are addressed that 821 00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:23,550 we're good to hear that they're going to 822 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,290 accommodate for parking for their 823 00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:27,690 employees but are they considering how 824 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:29,609 many people visit their office building 825 00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:33,930 and then are they going to be open to 826 00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:35,579 how many people want to drive through 827 00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:38,010 their parking lot to access Arrowhead to 828 00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:42,060 use the light to get on to 90s as long 829 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:43,680 as there's maybe speed bumps or 830 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,599 something to prevent speeding through 831 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,940 that parking lot because that will be it 832 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:49,980 will be used for that from both sides 833 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:53,810 probably those are our biggest concerns 834 00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:57,000 the fact that they're not planning to 835 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,420 least anybody else bigger corporations 836 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:01,619 or something that might what come in and 837 00:41:01,619 --> 00:41:03,030 want to use that building for something 838 00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:04,950 else I'm sure that would be further down 839 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:06,599 the line sounds like they want to stay 840 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,250 in Murray but those are our biggest 841 00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:20,920 concerns okay thank you anyone else 842 00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:30,500 please 843 00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:32,650 my name is Linda Brown 844 00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:35,230 I live at 738 Arrowhead Lane I am NOT 845 00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:39,970 within the 500 foot area but because I 846 00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:43,000 Drive up arrow head lane all the time 847 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880 obviously this is a concern for me 848 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,250 leaving our subdivision I am one of 849 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,800 those people that on a winter day when 850 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,360 it's snowing and right there is at the 851 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,030 top of Arrowhead Lane there is an 852 00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:57,790 incline that I can't get up if the roads 853 00:41:57,790 --> 00:42:01,180 have not been salted or it hasn't melt I 854 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,250 am one of those people that drives 855 00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:06,100 through the UEA in order to get over to 856 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,040 Pontiac which is a flat area for me to 857 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,780 make a right-hand turn or left-hand turn 858 00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:13,240 depending on traffic so I just wanted to 859 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,810 say that what Miss Sweeney's just said 860 00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:20,530 as is actually accurate because although 861 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:22,780 I don't speed through there there will 862 00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:25,510 be traffic from one entrance to the 863 00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,280 other based on those those Road 864 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,940 conditions 865 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:44,929 I just wanted to add that thank you any other takers please 866 00:42:44,939 --> 00:42:49,900 some Glenn Bancroft I live at 51 95 867 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,289 South 860 East so I'm in the cul-de-sac 868 00:42:53,289 --> 00:42:59,979 immediately south of the and the concern 869 00:42:59,979 --> 00:43:01,959 I have is really the parking during 870 00:43:01,959 --> 00:43:05,169 construction because it seems like you 871 00:43:05,169 --> 00:43:06,339 know our cul-de-sac because we made 872 00:43:06,339 --> 00:43:08,529 prime location for folks that want to 873 00:43:08,529 --> 00:43:10,539 park and it's really not conducive to 874 00:43:10,539 --> 00:43:12,369 street parking because it's so tight so 875 00:43:12,369 --> 00:43:21,019 that's okay thank you 876 00:43:21,029 --> 00:43:25,989 anyone else okay with that I will close 877 00:43:25,989 --> 00:43:29,019 the public comment portion of the of 878 00:43:29,019 --> 00:43:31,059 this agenda item and I would invite 879 00:43:31,059 --> 00:43:34,089 staff to come up first and address some 880 00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:41,890 of these concerns Zac it looks like the major concerns are of course you 881 00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:45,779 know parking both in entering an egress 882 00:43:45,779 --> 00:43:48,789 time line for construction visitors 883 00:43:48,789 --> 00:43:51,219 slash construction parking all of those 884 00:43:51,219 --> 00:43:53,049 types of things definitely would be the 885 00:43:53,049 --> 00:43:55,449 major topics yeah and that was actually 886 00:43:55,449 --> 00:43:59,079 a it was brought up during our planning 887 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,059 review meeting that we have with our 888 00:44:01,059 --> 00:44:03,339 staff internally the city engineer 889 00:44:03,339 --> 00:44:05,769 brought up state the term for 890 00:44:05,769 --> 00:44:10,509 construction construction stuff is the 891 00:44:10,509 --> 00:44:12,909 staging so where they put their their 892 00:44:12,909 --> 00:44:15,069 stuff at night you know why are they 893 00:44:15,069 --> 00:44:16,839 impacting construction so that's all 894 00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:18,699 called staging so he was concerned about 895 00:44:18,699 --> 00:44:21,539 staging for the site and we had talked 896 00:44:21,539 --> 00:44:24,459 through that and I believe from what I 897 00:44:24,459 --> 00:44:27,099 understand it's going all in here is 898 00:44:27,099 --> 00:44:30,069 going to be staying within this area 899 00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:36,700 here 900 00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:40,680 yeah that was the that's that's the best 901 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,470 one I can show so staging will be be 902 00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:49,109 happening in that location so we don't 903 00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:51,480 anticipate there being construction 904 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,480 equipment within the parking areas and 905 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,260 we would ask that you EA and the other 906 00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:01,890 condo association owners make sure that 907 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:04,650 if they are seeing that to move them off 908 00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:06,660 of it or you know move them out of any 909 00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:09,710 potential parking areas that will be a 910 00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:13,619 responsibility for you EA to do I think 911 00:45:13,619 --> 00:45:15,930 you're right excuse me right now there 912 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:19,980 is there's a surplus of surface area to 913 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:21,869 accommodate that to be very honest with 914 00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:24,119 you so I I don't see any reason that 915 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,250 there would be any construction traffic 916 00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:27,960 parking on neighborhood streets or that 917 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,619 however would would it be appropriate 918 00:45:31,619 --> 00:45:34,440 for us if if there's enough concern to 919 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,529 make a condition that construction 920 00:45:37,529 --> 00:45:40,170 traffic cannot park on the the 921 00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:42,720 subdivision streets you definitely could 922 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,480 do that that would be definitely within 923 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,609 your ear might be somewhat reassuring 924 00:45:47,609 --> 00:45:49,970 yeah it could be reassuring for sure 925 00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:52,890 yeah if the Commission would so like 926 00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:54,269 that's definitely something that is 927 00:45:54,269 --> 00:45:55,710 something that could be considered yeah 928 00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:56,819 for sure 929 00:45:56,819 --> 00:46:01,589 the second was the circulation at least 930 00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:04,769 during this this process where they have 931 00:46:04,769 --> 00:46:07,440 both it's actually probably going to be 932 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,420 a little harder to get through through 933 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:11,220 the site and from because what you'll 934 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:15,390 have to do is in essence this better 935 00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:19,200 actually you'll have to come off 936 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,859 Arrowhead here and then loop around to 937 00:46:22,859 --> 00:46:25,890 go out so I I'm not I don't anticipate I 938 00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:28,950 drove this today I don't anticipate a 939 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:32,509 lot of speeding through here and then 940 00:46:32,509 --> 00:46:36,750 this this portion we and I apologize 941 00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:45,089 that the public can't see it but the the updated illustrative plan that I 942 00:46:45,089 --> 00:46:48,160 showed you guys up there it actually 943 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,160 it carves out where this existing 944 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,349 building will stay yeah just the owner 945 00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:55,869 just this corner here so it's not going 946 00:46:55,869 --> 00:46:58,500 to be a complete straight shot through 947 00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:02,260 so I think that will help slow traffic 948 00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:04,390 down in that area - I don't I didn't 949 00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:09,480 anticipate that becoming a huge concern 950 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,549 time line that was my last question I 951 00:47:12,549 --> 00:47:15,400 will leave that up to you EA to answer 952 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,670 because I do not have that information 953 00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:22,140 well anything else I can answer see I 954 00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:25,780 think other than the timeline I think 955 00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:32,770 that that pretty much you might be able 956 00:47:32,770 --> 00:47:34,420 to address the construction concerns 957 00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:39,039 slightly I believe it's this SW pp plan 958 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:40,990 the swampland this yeah place to 959 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:43,119 minimize the construction influence on 960 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,500 the neighborhood around yes but that's 961 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,280 not what swip is it's a stormwater 962 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:58,960 pollution prevention but that just 963 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,450 controls it in any disturbance on site 964 00:48:01,450 --> 00:48:03,849 has to remain on site yeah and yeah that 965 00:48:03,849 --> 00:48:05,680 that's pretty much what it does and make 966 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,990 sure that like no dust or anything gets 967 00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:10,569 in the air or pollutes waterways that's 968 00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:12,579 kind of what swip would cover I'm 969 00:48:12,579 --> 00:48:14,440 assuming because it's somewhat new to me 970 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,180 it might be new to the public as well 971 00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:18,970 keeps the streets clean and clear the 972 00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:23,410 dust - that's correct and yeah they will 973 00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:26,920 have to any construction in this in the 974 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,740 state has to obtain swept so these guys 975 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:32,279 would have to get a sweat permit as well 976 00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:35,650 Zack was there any concern from the 977 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:38,829 staff review about which road 978 00:48:38,829 --> 00:48:41,410 construction will be able to access are 979 00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:42,910 they going to go from on to Arrowhead 980 00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:45,069 and Pontiac are they gonna go just one 981 00:48:45,069 --> 00:48:49,029 or we direct they just because of the 982 00:48:49,029 --> 00:48:51,819 nature of the building we haven't we 983 00:48:51,819 --> 00:48:54,160 haven't stated which side they can and 984 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,480 can't I they might have to get up north 985 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,430 and getting through that narrow part of 986 00:49:00,430 --> 00:49:00,890 the bill 987 00:49:00,890 --> 00:49:04,369 that was not a concern though not a 988 00:49:04,369 --> 00:49:06,319 concern I know some some developments 989 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:08,059 that come in you know it is a concern 990 00:49:08,059 --> 00:49:10,279 and we have putting conditions where you 991 00:49:10,279 --> 00:49:11,630 know it can only be accessed on a 992 00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:14,960 certain Road yeah now though tre the 993 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,999 city ins and City Engineer did not have 994 00:49:16,999 --> 00:49:20,150 any concerns with accessing on either of 995 00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:22,069 them so he doesn't have concerns tonight 996 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:26,150 yes tonight any other questions for Zach 997 00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:29,690 at this time okay all right 998 00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:31,940 mr. Bartels if you could come back up 999 00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:34,970 please and and address the construction 1000 00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:38,210 timeline if possible so I can't start 1001 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:41,359 too soon for me we're anticipating 12 to 1002 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:47,450 18 months for construction - okay and just so everyone here is clear we 1003 00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:49,269 have no intention of parking 1004 00:49:49,269 --> 00:49:52,609 construction materials or vehicles on 1005 00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:54,980 any of our adjoining streets we have we 1006 00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:57,079 have plenty of parking space and other 1007 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,660 space that we can use particularly after 1008 00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:01,579 the initial demolition demolition of the 1009 00:50:01,579 --> 00:50:04,309 corner of the building that we're still 1010 00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:06,200 going to be well over what our minimum 1011 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,680 is rendering construction on the egress 1012 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,509 issue I confess that I've driven across 1013 00:50:11,509 --> 00:50:13,339 our parking lot so I can get out of here 1014 00:50:13,339 --> 00:50:17,119 myself I think it's the wise thing to do 1015 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,359 to be very honest so I'm not 1016 00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:22,880 anticipating that our neighbors who want 1017 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,559 to use our parking lot for egress one 1018 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,569 way or the other are gonna feel any 1019 00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:28,660 difference once the project is completed 1020 00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:31,369 and as the engineer said I mean at least 1021 00:50:31,369 --> 00:50:33,440 during construction even if that little 1022 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,410 tight area between the new building and 1023 00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:38,960 the old building prior to demolition is 1024 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,609 used by construction it's still going to 1025 00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:42,710 be possible to move through our parking 1026 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:44,539 lot right I know we have a lot of people 1027 00:50:44,539 --> 00:50:47,150 that use our parking lot that way and 1028 00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:48,859 sometimes Park in our lot if they're 1029 00:50:48,859 --> 00:50:50,989 neighbors right our intention is to 1030 00:50:50,989 --> 00:50:53,839 continue to be a good neighbor okay well 1031 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,579 thank you I have another question about 1032 00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:57,499 the parking so one of the questions was 1033 00:50:57,499 --> 00:51:00,589 parking not only for your employees 1034 00:51:00,589 --> 00:51:02,779 which numbers stay about the same but 1035 00:51:02,779 --> 00:51:04,730 then when you have visitors coming 1036 00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:06,579 meetings and that sort of thing is that 1037 00:51:06,579 --> 00:51:09,170 obviously increases the number of 1038 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:11,269 parking stalls needed but as you see 1039 00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:13,640 that as being a an issue in the future I 1040 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:14,210 don't 1041 00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:15,650 see it as being an issue in the future 1042 00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:18,410 we are gonna have ultimately about the 1043 00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:20,240 same number of parking places that we 1044 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,000 have now there are some times that we do 1045 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,040 have events in our auditorium which you 1046 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,800 know seats maybe people and we will have 1047 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,900 people coming in and our parking lot 1048 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,030 will be more full to be honest with you 1049 00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:34,670 in eighteen months I have never seen our 1050 00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:37,790 parking lot full I have rarely seen it 1051 00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:40,310 half full we are we are blessed with a 1052 00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:42,740 wealth of parking spots far over what 1053 00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:45,080 the minimum would be for a building like 1054 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,750 our so and again I mean our intention is 1055 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:49,210 we want to continue to be good neighbors 1056 00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:53,030 and and we we're not going to make any 1057 00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:55,940 changes as far as sort of a the volume 1058 00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:59,020 of people that are using our building 1059 00:51:59,020 --> 00:52:03,050 and you know that's our intent thank you 1060 00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:06,830 very much thank you so you have an 1061 00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:08,030 auditorium you currently have an 1062 00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:10,339 auditorium that you invite other people 1063 00:52:10,339 --> 00:52:11,660 into yes we do 1064 00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:15,770 so that okay thanks very much mr. 1065 00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:18,980 Bartels thank you all right with that I 1066 00:52:18,980 --> 00:52:24,080 will bring it back up to some more 1067 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,450 discussion for this particular 1068 00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:32,000 combination of agenda items I am 1069 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,760 required to have three different motions 1070 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,730 we do have to have a motion and vote on 1071 00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:41,450 each of the agenda items the conditional 1072 00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:43,280 use permit for the new office building 1073 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,220 the subdivision the condominium 1074 00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:47,869 amendment and partial withdrawal and 1075 00:52:47,869 --> 00:52:51,200 also the 1 lot subdivision amendment as 1076 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,869 well so we will handle those separately 1077 00:52:53,869 --> 00:52:56,330 we felt it was best to take public 1078 00:52:56,330 --> 00:52:58,820 comment on all three at one time so we 1079 00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:09,329 didn't just beat the subject to death a 1080 00:53:09,339 --> 00:53:13,550 good question I did not specifically ask 1081 00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:16,970 mr. Bartels if they have read all of the 1082 00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:18,710 conditions with the first agenda item 1083 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:21,080 and if they are able to meet those 1084 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,530 conditions 1085 00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,480 yeah and and I'll go I'm gonna repeat 1086 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,190 this a couple more times to you just so 1087 00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:31,740 we we cross all the t's into her all the 1088 00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:33,240 eyes we certainly have had an 1089 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,920 opportunity to read the conditions in 1090 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,750 the report and we believe we can meet 1091 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:41,600 all the conditions that was pacified for all three of the agenda items okay 1092 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,460 all right thank you I appreciate that 1093 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:47,900 statements all right now I think we're 1094 00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:54,210 any questions so I I appreciate all the 1095 00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:56,640 comments that everybody made I really 1096 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,810 think this is a wonderful opportunity 1097 00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:02,570 for you a to both vacate their current 1098 00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:06,060 dysfunctional building build new stay in 1099 00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:07,310 Murray 1100 00:54:07,310 --> 00:54:10,200 and as we saw in the staff report for 1101 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,780 them to have some opportunity to expand 1102 00:54:12,780 --> 00:54:16,410 as we're growing community across the 1103 00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:20,220 region we know that will happen and to 1104 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:22,170 close a couple of driveways or perhaps 1105 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:25,830 two driveways or consolidate them which 1106 00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:29,910 should help traffic probably on both 1107 00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:35,220 streets both Arrowhead and Pontiac so I 1108 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:39,510 think this is a good opportunity for 1109 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:42,690 both you EA the neighborhood and frankly 1110 00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:48,930 for Murray City so I agree mr. chairman 1111 00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:53,400 we had discussed potentially condition 1112 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,730 yes actually after the discussion I 1113 00:54:56,730 --> 00:54:57,990 don't personally feel like it's 1114 00:54:57,990 --> 00:55:01,890 necessary based on I mean it's you know 1115 00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:04,800 there's adequate parking the staff 1116 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,930 typically does a very good job at 1117 00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:09,750 policing those things mr. Bartell said 1118 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:11,580 that they will not be parking or staging 1119 00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:15,240 off property having seen similar 1120 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:21,900 projects I don't necessary I personally 1121 00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:23,580 don't feel like it's necessary to add a 1122 00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:28,740 condition for that all right and as 1123 00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,670 chairman I can't make a motion 1124 00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:35,550 I think that's fine I think that's up to 1125 00:55:35,550 --> 00:55:38,030 the staff also to ensure that that 1126 00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:42,740 happens on all construction sites good 1127 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:45,740 job of that just the discussion when the 1128 00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:48,200 staff calculates parking they calculate 1129 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,140 employee and visits so I feel like in 1130 00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:53,240 the past they've shown competence in 1131 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,760 this area have they did a great job and 1132 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,869 also the discussion suggests that the 1133 00:55:59,869 --> 00:56:02,450 construction traffic will be respectful 1134 00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:04,520 yeah I mean I mean if tre would have 1135 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,990 felt like that there was an issue with 1136 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:07,310 it and it was going to be tight either 1137 00:56:07,310 --> 00:56:09,619 on parking or on staging any of those 1138 00:56:09,619 --> 00:56:12,020 then certainly I would feel more 1139 00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:13,880 compelled to add a condition but at this 1140 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,670 point I don't feel like it's also 1141 00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:18,530 believed just so the public knows I 1142 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:20,119 agree I don't think it's necessary but 1143 00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:21,560 if there is a problem the public is 1144 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,030 always welcome to come to staff and 1145 00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:24,859 discuss it if the problem does occur it 1146 00:56:24,859 --> 00:56:26,300 can still be addressed well there's a 1147 00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:36,800 condition or not mr. hacker I like to 1148 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,300 make motion that Planning Commission 1149 00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:39,920 approved the partial withdrawal of the 1150 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,380 Arrowhead Lane condominium subdivision 1151 00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:46,150 located at 875 East Pontiac Drive 1152 00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:48,500 subject to the following conditions one 1153 00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:52,910 through four okay I second that motion 1154 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:54,530 yeah I have a motion by Ned hacker a 1155 00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:56,780 second by Lisa Malkovich that the 1156 00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:58,250 Planning Commission approve a partial 1157 00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:59,570 withdrawal of the Arrowhead Lane 1158 00:56:59,570 --> 00:57:02,359 condominium subdivision located at 875 1159 00:57:02,359 --> 00:57:18,099 East Pontiac Drive that's yes yes yes all right now item number six the 1160 00:57:18,099 --> 00:57:20,240 preliminary and final subdivision 1161 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,010 approval we actually conditional use 1162 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:35,330 permit motion Zack put the motions in 1163 00:57:35,330 --> 00:57:40,010 the wrong these permits actually the 1164 00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:41,330 third one but it's like actually item 1165 00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:43,700 number five on here I see so it was just 1166 00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:47,650 an agenda seeing moment but just 1167 00:57:47,650 --> 00:57:50,740 technically Ned did do the right motion 1168 00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:52,480 because we need to do the withdrawal and 1169 00:57:52,480 --> 00:58:01,090 then the yes so so the next and the next 1170 00:58:01,090 --> 00:58:03,900 one will be the preliminary and final 1171 00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:06,820 for sure yes so you can you can state 1172 00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:08,500 what we're doing the motions and 1173 00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:10,180 different orders from how they're 1174 00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:23,690 agendized but mr. chair we need to call 1175 00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:27,430 mr. chair Mary make a motion yes please 1176 00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:31,870 excellent can I move the plan commission 1177 00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:33,580 grant preliminary and final subdivision 1178 00:58:33,580 --> 00:58:35,170 approval for the proposed Pontiac 1179 00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:36,700 subdivision on the property located at 1180 00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:38,760 eight eight five East Pontiac Drive 1181 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960 subject to conditions one through four 1182 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,960 as discussed I'll second okay I have a 1183 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,430 motion by Lisa Malkovich 1184 00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:48,010 a second by Scott Woodbury that the 1185 00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:49,510 Planning Commission grant preliminary 1186 00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:51,250 and final subdivision approval for the 1187 00:58:51,250 --> 00:58:53,350 proposed Pontiac subdivision on the 1188 00:58:53,350 --> 00:58:55,750 property located at 885 East Pontiac 1189 00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:57,910 Drive subject to conditions one through 1190 00:58:57,910 --> 00:59:06,370 four yes yes yes yes okay and we have 1191 00:59:06,370 --> 00:59:09,010 one more mr. chair I'd like a motion 1192 00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:10,480 that we approved the conditional use 1193 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,890 permit for new office building on the 1194 00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:15,730 property located at 885 885 East Pontiac 1195 00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:17,200 Drive subject to conditions one through 1196 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,090 eight I'll second that motion to have a 1197 00:59:22,090 --> 00:59:24,280 motion by Scott Woodbury a second by Ned 1198 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,170 hacker that the Planning Commission 1199 00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:27,940 approve a conditional use permit for a 1200 00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:29,260 new office building on the property 1201 00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:32,140 located at 885 East Pontiac Drive 1202 00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:33,880 subject to conditions one through eight 1203 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:42,880 as listed in the application yes yes yes you know I and I would like to 1204 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,500 mention something my I know miss Sweeney 1205 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:50,260 and my daughter also lives in this 1206 00:59:50,260 --> 00:59:52,450 neighborhood down there and it's a great 1207 00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:54,460 neighborhood you've you've got a real 1208 00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:58,060 responsibility to maintain that and it's 1209 00:59:58,060 --> 00:59:59,890 you've been a great partner for many 1210 00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:00,970 years I 1211 01:00:00,970 --> 01:00:02,380 of seeing the people walk through the 1212 01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:05,080 neighborhood during the day I think 1213 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,820 that's really important that's part of 1214 01:00:06,820 --> 01:00:10,270 what is that's that's why you don't have 1215 01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:12,520 any opposition to this to be very honest 1216 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,920 with you a new building new impacts 1217 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,109 whatever as long as things continue the 1218 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:18,910 way they are I think it's a real asset 1219 01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:20,650 to the community and I hope that 1220 01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:25,240 continues thank you all right with that 1221 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,849 we will move to agenda item number eight 1222 01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:30,940 Stallings construction it is a four lot 1223 01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:33,220 commercial subdivision preliminary and 1224 01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:39,369 final approval when when reporting on 1225 01:00:39,369 --> 01:00:41,140 subdivisions was being doled out 1226 01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:43,630 I gave Zack all the hard stuff and kept 1227 01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:45,430 the simpler subdivision for myself 1228 01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:47,560 because I'm gracious that way that's 1229 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,359 gonna go home and he is gonna be so 1230 01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:51,849 confused tonight experience speaking 1231 01:00:51,849 --> 01:01:00,280 there is good experience items item 8 is 1232 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,960 Stallings construction this is a it's a 1233 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,859 commercial it's a commercial subdivision 1234 01:01:04,859 --> 01:01:07,930 there are multiple addresses listed but 1235 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:10,150 really those are those are addressed for 1236 01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:12,460 buildings that three of which exist and 1237 01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:13,720 the fourth is coming in the near future 1238 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,359 I'll just go to the aerial slide this is 1239 01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:17,740 the property it's on Commerce Drive on 1240 01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:19,300 the east side you're seeing right here 1241 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:21,970 the my fingers not working but the 1242 01:01:21,970 --> 01:01:24,160 Inverness condominiums are just to the 1243 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,710 north and east or sorry to the south and 1244 01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:29,109 east of the project property these two 1245 01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:30,369 buildings that you can see right there 1246 01:01:30,369 --> 01:01:32,619 have been in place for a while and 1247 01:01:32,619 --> 01:01:34,119 there's a third building now that's just 1248 01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:35,500 finished construction right here and a 1249 01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:36,790 fourth one is planned eventually right 1250 01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:38,140 here they're all mirror images of each 1251 01:01:38,140 --> 01:01:41,950 other stock on Business Park there are 1252 01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:46,500 they are all commercial in the mg zone 1253 01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:49,960 the site plan for those buildings is not 1254 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,790 required to be publicly approved by the 1255 01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:53,020 Planning Commission so the site planning 1256 01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:54,430 for those buildings has been done for 1257 01:01:54,430 --> 01:01:57,760 some time and the new the new site plans 1258 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,200 for the two newer buildings the one 1259 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,369 that's just finished in the one that 1260 01:02:00,369 --> 01:02:01,780 will be underway soon has already been 1261 01:02:01,780 --> 01:02:03,640 performed this is just the subdivision 1262 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:04,930 tonight so we won't be talking about the 1263 01:02:04,930 --> 01:02:08,109 buildings much the proposal is to take 1264 01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:09,730 this existing property that you see here 1265 01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:11,500 the Stallings property it's just under 2 1266 01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,339 acres and 1267 01:02:13,339 --> 01:02:15,829 carve it up into four Lots for these 1268 01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:18,319 four individual buildings right now it's 1269 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,359 showing the existing structures in this 1270 01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:22,609 drawing the potential fourth building on 1271 01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:25,400 that fourth lot the Lots are all tied 1272 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,259 together for parking and access all the 1273 01:02:27,259 --> 01:02:28,940 parking is between the buildings and the 1274 01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:32,509 accesses from a single 35 foot just just 1275 01:02:32,509 --> 01:02:33,920 a little over 35 feet actually on 1276 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,930 Commerce Drive letting you in to and out 1277 01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:37,099 of the building the building's kind of 1278 01:02:37,099 --> 01:02:40,279 for for general access faced each other 1279 01:02:40,279 --> 01:02:42,079 with overhead doors and they're kind of 1280 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,299 dressed up doors facing Commerce Drive 1281 01:02:44,299 --> 01:02:46,130 etc I'll show that in a picture or two 1282 01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:47,329 here installment 1283 01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:49,279 this is utility planning that's as I 1284 01:02:49,279 --> 01:02:51,589 said that's all been reviewed and taken 1285 01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:54,890 care of over the last few months in in 1286 01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:58,489 other meetings with staff just a shot 1287 01:02:58,489 --> 01:02:59,989 from across Commerce Drive showing the 1288 01:02:59,989 --> 01:03:01,279 property again you can see those two 1289 01:03:01,279 --> 01:03:03,739 buildings and the the newer third 1290 01:03:03,739 --> 01:03:05,210 building is just right there the area 1291 01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:06,589 behind it where the new construction 1292 01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:07,519 could happen you can see that more 1293 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:12,440 clearly right here so they do have some facades facing Commerce Drive that 1294 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,299 look a little more inviting and then the 1295 01:03:14,299 --> 01:03:16,519 general more useful access for these 1296 01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:17,960 kind of structures is facing that 1297 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,190 interior parking lot again they're all 1298 01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:21,410 tied together with cross access 1299 01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:25,099 easements for parking and and access and 1300 01:03:25,099 --> 01:03:27,170 they're there CCR's that control those 1301 01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:29,119 are attached to your reports so those 1302 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,619 will be recorded with the subdivision if 1303 01:03:30,619 --> 01:03:33,019 it's approved because it's less than ten 1304 01:03:33,019 --> 01:03:35,660 Lots we do have an ability to have it 1305 01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:37,880 approved preliminary and final tonight 1306 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,890 and there's nothing super complicated 1307 01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:41,119 about this application so we are 1308 01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:42,710 recommending that the Planning 1309 01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:44,900 Commission approve both the preliminary 1310 01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:47,779 and final subdivision for Stallings the 1311 01:03:47,779 --> 01:03:49,339 stockholm subdivision with these four 1312 01:03:49,339 --> 01:03:52,940 conditions that you see before you you 1313 01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:54,229 have any questions for staff at this 1314 01:03:54,229 --> 01:03:56,599 point it's rare that we only get four 1315 01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:58,339 conditions so and I think that speaks to 1316 01:03:58,339 --> 01:04:00,319 the the project a lot of the things that 1317 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:01,519 we normally have to condition for 1318 01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:02,719 subdivisions have been taken care of 1319 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:04,069 with site planning on this that's been 1320 01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:07,739 underway for a couple of years alright 1321 01:04:07,749 --> 01:04:11,180 that is the applicant present if you'd 1322 01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:13,009 come forward sir state your name and 1323 01:04:13,009 --> 01:04:16,009 address for the record and present any 1324 01:04:16,009 --> 01:04:17,479 information that you feel would be 1325 01:04:17,479 --> 01:04:21,140 beneficial to us my name is Reed 1326 01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:23,509 Stallings are our business address is 1327 01:04:23,509 --> 01:04:26,940 right here at 47 33 South Commerce 1328 01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:31,970 dr i reside at 106 61 south by 40 east 1329 01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:41,520 sandy just just a clarification on the on the application it did talk 1330 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,589 about a fourth building being built but 1331 01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:46,290 as it was stated before that there is 1332 01:04:46,290 --> 01:04:48,329 not the third building is just being 1333 01:04:48,329 --> 01:04:50,970 finished being built there are no 1334 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:53,040 immediate plans for a fourth building as 1335 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,500 a matter of fact the concrete parking 1336 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:58,109 lot has been completed in that lot 1337 01:04:58,109 --> 01:05:01,920 number four already and the whole 1338 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,720 parking lot all the buildings are 1339 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,770 complete the other the other thing just 1340 01:05:07,770 --> 01:05:12,329 for information is the conditions that 1341 01:05:12,329 --> 01:05:16,050 were stated the four conditions we we we 1342 01:05:16,050 --> 01:05:18,660 do comply with all except the fourth one 1343 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:22,170 which is a future final plat that has to 1344 01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:25,680 be submitted the the buildings in all 1345 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,990 three buildings were built along 1346 01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:30,390 existing property lines and do comply 1347 01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:35,550 with the 30 inch parapet requirement and 1348 01:05:35,550 --> 01:05:37,770 so this is just talking about the to 1349 01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:41,579 east east sides of the two front 1350 01:05:41,579 --> 01:05:43,560 buildings and so they were already 1351 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:51,119 compliant with that requirement and and do meet that so that's just those 1352 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,210 clarifications any questions all right 1353 01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:58,410 any questions no to the applicant no not 1354 01:05:58,410 --> 01:06:00,119 at this time thank you 1355 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,970 Jared do you want to clarify number for 1356 01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:10,260 the that condition they're sorry with 1357 01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:11,310 respect to the two different conditions 1358 01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:13,440 that mr. Stallings mentioned item two 1359 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,170 was the building and fire comments from 1360 01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:18,390 the Planning review meeting that we had 1361 01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:21,480 subdivision and they like to see those 1362 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,099 things just kind of memorialized it was 1363 01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:24,270 part of the site for interviews and he 1364 01:06:24,270 --> 01:06:25,859 did comply with those but they made him 1365 01:06:25,859 --> 01:06:27,119 again in the subdivision comments and we 1366 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,790 don't like to omit them if if they've 1367 01:06:29,790 --> 01:06:31,920 made them as commenters so we kept him 1368 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,940 in there although we did realize that 1369 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:34,260 he's already met those because of the 1370 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:36,810 meeting that we had an item for yeah 1371 01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:38,940 clearly we we anticipate that the final 1372 01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:40,510 subdivision will be prepared that's 1373 01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:42,340 two conditions so the condition really 1374 01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:43,990 exists to say when the final 1375 01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:45,670 subdivisions were prepared it has to 1376 01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:47,560 meet engineering standards and all the 1377 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,220 requirements okay thank you all right 1378 01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:54,040 with that I would like to open this 1379 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,960 agenda item up for public comment if 1380 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,040 there's anyone here that would like to 1381 01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:04,270 comment on this please come forward okay 1382 01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:06,040 seeing none I will close the comment 1383 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,470 public comment portion of the meeting 1384 01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:10,930 and bring it back up here for more 1385 01:07:10,930 --> 01:07:14,109 discussion or a motion mr. chairman I'd 1386 01:07:14,109 --> 01:07:16,630 like to make a motion that the Planning 1387 01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:18,760 Commission grant preliminary and final 1388 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,130 subdivision approval for the stall comm 1389 01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:23,109 business complex subdivision on the 1390 01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:26,260 property located at 47 31 South Commerce 1391 01:07:26,260 --> 01:07:28,540 Drive subject to the following 1392 01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:32,260 conditions one through four yeah nice 1393 01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:34,780 all right I have a motion by Ned hacker 1394 01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:37,150 a second by Lisa Malkovich that the 1395 01:07:37,150 --> 01:07:38,770 Planning Commission grant preliminary 1396 01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:40,570 and final subdivision approval for the 1397 01:07:40,570 --> 01:07:42,580 stall comm business complex subdivision 1398 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,640 on property located at 47 31 South 1399 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,100 Commerce Drive subject to conditions one 1400 01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:57,880 through four as presented yes yes yes all right thank you 1401 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,820 and it's a nice project I wish all of 1402 01:08:00,820 --> 01:08:03,010 our commercial projects were this nice 1403 01:08:03,010 --> 01:08:05,320 and and this easy to deal with so you're 1404 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,910 to be complimented thank you all right 1405 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:20,859 our final item of the evening is just a 1406 01:08:20,859 --> 01:08:26,170 land use a text amendment for the RnB 1407 01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:29,799 zone proposing the addition of Lu number 1408 01:08:29,799 --> 01:08:32,440 one one two which would allow twin homes 1409 01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:40,570 as a permitted use in RMB 1410 01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:43,500 thank you um I'll be talking about this 1411 01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:45,660 tonight as well this is as you said an 1412 01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:47,280 amendment a text amendment that's been 1413 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,530 proposed by Brad Reynolds construction 1414 01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:53,850 working with staff to allow or to add 1415 01:08:53,850 --> 01:08:57,660 land use 1 1 1 2 as twin homes in this 1416 01:08:57,660 --> 01:08:59,610 particular zone in the RnB zone just to 1417 01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:00,810 give a little bit of background about 1418 01:09:00,810 --> 01:09:02,640 that and and talk about it the first 1419 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:03,660 thing I want to be clear about is that 1420 01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:05,790 we're only talking about the RnB zone in 1421 01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:08,310 this case there is one or two other 1422 01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:09,900 places where you can see RB zone but 1423 01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:11,310 this is capturing this this particular 1424 01:09:11,310 --> 01:09:16,680 slide captures 95% 96% of the R&B zoning 1425 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:17,910 in the city or the places this is 1426 01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:19,830 actually a snippet from this future land 1427 01:09:19,830 --> 01:09:21,870 use map so not all of those properties 1428 01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:23,190 that are shown in pink there are 1429 01:09:23,190 --> 01:09:25,610 actually zoned RnB but they're all 1430 01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:28,170 supported for R&B by the general plan 1431 01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:30,720 and that's about 95% 96% of the property 1432 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,520 in the city that would be that way some 1433 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,100 of those have been rezone to R&B 1434 01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:37,770 recently mr. Reynolds mr. Reynolds 1435 01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:41,220 applied and was approved to rezone these 1436 01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:47,240 properties here for 1437 01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:48,600 I always overestimate everything about 1438 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,550 four and a half acres that's the largest 1439 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:53,400 single segment of R&B land that we've 1440 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,620 seen and probably we'll see actually 1441 01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:59,300 looking at the properties um given that 1442 01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:01,710 talking with staff his his plans for the 1443 01:10:01,710 --> 01:10:04,080 property were to develop series of twin 1444 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,970 sorry a series of twin home or duplex 1445 01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:08,580 Lots on the property duplexes aren't 1446 01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:11,400 allowed permitted use in the RnB zone so 1447 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,020 our single-family homes and then beyond 1448 01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:14,430 single-family homes and duplexes you 1449 01:10:14,430 --> 01:10:16,080 have allowances for neighborhood 1450 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,850 oriented commercial types of businesses 1451 01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:21,150 as you're familiar with mr. Reynolds and 1452 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:22,650 speaking with staff and having met with 1453 01:10:22,650 --> 01:10:24,600 the neighborhood really wanted to 1454 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,610 propose twin homes but there is a subtle 1455 01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:28,890 distinction between a twin home and a 1456 01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:31,200 duplex and twin homes were not listed 1457 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,000 specifically in the RnB zone to be 1458 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,520 allowed as a as a use in the way that 1459 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,900 mr. Reynolds had proposed his project 1460 01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:41,480 duplexes as you know and I'm just gonna 1461 01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,410 we'll come back to this slide in a 1462 01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:47,250 moment a duplex just to be clear is a 1463 01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,260 single lot with a two-family dwelling on 1464 01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:50,940 that lot it can only be owned by a 1465 01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:52,430 single person 1466 01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:54,860 you can't on one side of a duplex you 1467 01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:57,200 have to own both sides that is duplex in 1468 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,330 a twin home and that's depicted here in 1469 01:10:59,330 --> 01:11:01,160 this category 1 1 2 1 1470 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,320 that's a permitted use in this 1471 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,220 particular RnB zone as it exists 1 1 1 2 1472 01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:09,140 that we're proposing adding with this 1473 01:11:09,140 --> 01:11:13,010 with the sub moniker twin home is just 1474 01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:14,660 like a duplex configured exactly like a 1475 01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:16,340 duplex but with property line through 1476 01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:17,780 the middle of that building allowing you 1477 01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:19,880 to own has an individual owner one side 1478 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,320 or the other and the land that's 1479 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,210 associated with it in this case it would 1480 01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:24,560 be about five thousand square feet a 1481 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,560 duplex lot is required to be at least 1482 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,160 10,000 square feet meet certain setbacks 1483 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,430 we'd like to create the opportunity for 1484 01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:36,470 the same thing that's already allowed in 1485 01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:39,050 the RB zone but to be owned or the 1486 01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:40,490 potential ownership to be there with it 1487 01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:42,830 to an Home Instead so if I can get back 1488 01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:46,900 to the other slide what you see in red 1489 01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:49,670 line is what we're proposing to add so 1490 01:11:49,670 --> 01:11:51,380 we're not only adding the land use 1 1 1 1491 01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:53,750 2 which is single-family dwellings 1492 01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:56,150 attached but with that sub moniker twin 1493 01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:58,270 homes and then those additional 1494 01:11:58,270 --> 01:12:00,920 statements requiring the 10,000 square 1495 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,420 feet so they can't be on smaller Lots 1496 01:12:02,420 --> 01:12:04,010 than the 10,000 square feet five 1497 01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:06,440 thousand for each one of those two twin 1498 01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:09,650 home units and then with the the 1499 01:12:09,650 --> 01:12:11,600 setbacks spelled out as well so there's 1500 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,940 no question about what kind of project 1501 01:12:13,940 --> 01:12:16,880 it can be there was some some question 1502 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,710 earlier - about whether you could do 1503 01:12:18,710 --> 01:12:20,750 attached homes if you could do rows of 1504 01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:22,610 townhomes in this in the zoning in the 1505 01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:25,640 R&B zone what's proposed here is not 1506 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,890 that these are this is a proposal to 1507 01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:29,600 allow twin homes under that land use 1508 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,680 category 1 1 1 2 however to be perfectly 1509 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,780 clear that that category above 1 1 1 1 1510 01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:40,070 single-family dwellings subject to 1511 01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:41,270 meeting the requirements of the RM 10 1512 01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:43,250 zone would actually allow you to do 1513 01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:46,040 townhomes if you wanted to in the RnB 1514 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,680 zone because in the RM 10 zone it will 1515 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,180 tell you and this is complicated so I 1516 01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:52,550 hate even data but I'll try to be as 1517 01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:54,770 clear as I can in us in any 1518 01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:56,420 single-family zoning a multi-family zone 1519 01:12:56,420 --> 01:12:58,730 like this you can propose a PUD the PUD 1520 01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:00,590 chapter says it's applicable in any of 1521 01:13:00,590 --> 01:13:04,390 these zones and in a PUD you can propose 1522 01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:06,200 any kind of change 1523 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,510 want to the setbacks attached instead of 1524 01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:10,580 detached etc the only thing you can't 1525 01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:12,050 change is the density of that underlying 1526 01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:14,900 zone so in in this case it would be 1527 01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:16,730 Garen 10 zone and the underlying zone 1528 01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:18,290 would be 8,000 square feet per lot so 1529 01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:20,330 you could do a series of townhomes 1530 01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:22,790 instead but you're in the PUD if you had 1531 01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:26,780 two acres you could do it you'd be in a 1532 01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:28,640 PUD you'd have to create an open space 1533 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,170 and a homeowner's association and 1534 01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:31,940 because you have to create that open 1535 01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:34,070 space that's a certain size you clump 1536 01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:36,770 the homes together and and we didn't 1537 01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:38,450 feel like that that you could do that in 1538 01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:39,980 the RnB zone I just have to be clear 1539 01:13:39,980 --> 01:13:42,800 that's probably less appropriate as a 1540 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,410 buffer then the the twin home concept 1541 01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:47,780 allowing the duplexes was what the city 1542 01:13:47,780 --> 01:13:49,360 when they initially created the zone 1543 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,510 wanted and allowed duplexes it became 1544 01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:54,740 clear looking at the minutes from those 1545 01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:55,790 meetings and things that they weren't 1546 01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:58,130 really making the distinction and we 1547 01:13:58,130 --> 01:14:00,650 felt like allowing under the same kind 1548 01:14:00,650 --> 01:14:02,090 of proposal that mr. Reynolds has made 1549 01:14:02,090 --> 01:14:04,700 here allowing that same duplex concept 1550 01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:07,130 to be owned individually was not in 1551 01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:08,540 violation of their original intent with 1552 01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:11,830 the RnB so we have recommended as staff 1553 01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:13,940 that the Planning Commission forward 1554 01:14:13,940 --> 01:14:15,950 this change to the City Council is a 1555 01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:20,390 text amendment allowing this land use 1 1 2 single-family dwellings attached 1556 01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:23,120 to twin homes in the RnB zone as a 1557 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,670 permitted use you have any questions for 1558 01:14:25,670 --> 01:14:27,440 staff at this point does that make some 1559 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:33,110 sense thank you all right is the 1560 01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:35,360 applicant present mr. Reynolds if you'll 1561 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,800 come up state your name and address for 1562 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,080 the record I'd appreciate it okay Brad 1563 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:44,210 Reynolds 2500 East Haven Lane holiday 1564 01:14:44,210 --> 01:14:45,740 Utah 1565 01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:48,530 I appreciate the Planning Commission 1566 01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:50,180 taking the time to consider our 1567 01:14:50,180 --> 01:14:52,280 application 1568 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,340 I think Jared did a great job and 1569 01:14:55,340 --> 01:14:59,810 detailing the text amendment and what it 1570 01:14:59,810 --> 01:15:01,840 actually does and what we're proposing 1571 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,120 as you know this property is an RnB zone 1572 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,430 and initially as we met with the 1573 01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:08,990 neighbors and as we went through the 1574 01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:13,520 process it became very clear that they 1575 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,140 were hoping for some kind of a 1576 01:15:15,140 --> 01:15:17,270 residential product where it would be 1577 01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:19,349 owner occupied 1578 01:15:19,349 --> 01:15:21,510 and they were concerned about the 1579 01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:23,699 commercial and the traffic and the look 1580 01:15:23,699 --> 01:15:26,129 but yet as you look at the property 1581 01:15:26,129 --> 01:15:29,639 there has to be a transition with the 1582 01:15:29,639 --> 01:15:32,969 busy street how they're on Winchester 1583 01:15:32,969 --> 01:15:35,699 from residential homes so the duplex 1584 01:15:35,699 --> 01:15:38,159 look like a nice solution that might be 1585 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,429 a nice transition from the residential 1586 01:15:41,429 --> 01:15:44,219 homes and not be a commercial product 1587 01:15:44,219 --> 01:15:46,229 and unfortunately as you know sometimes 1588 01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:48,539 as you look at the duplex and the twin 1589 01:15:48,539 --> 01:15:50,639 home they're kind of confusing and I 1590 01:15:50,639 --> 01:15:52,769 must admit I was a little confused too 1591 01:15:52,769 --> 01:15:54,510 because I look at them and kind of 1592 01:15:54,510 --> 01:15:57,239 consider them to be the same thing but 1593 01:15:57,239 --> 01:16:01,109 obviously a duplex you have to sell the 1594 01:16:01,109 --> 01:16:04,169 same you'd have to have an investor buy 1595 01:16:04,169 --> 01:16:06,780 that duplex wearin' is what we're 1596 01:16:06,780 --> 01:16:09,329 proposing with this text amendment we 1597 01:16:09,329 --> 01:16:11,249 could individually sell these to 1598 01:16:11,249 --> 01:16:13,859 homeowners where they could live there 1599 01:16:13,859 --> 01:16:16,619 and they wouldn't be investor rental 1600 01:16:16,619 --> 01:16:19,289 units so I think looking from the city 1601 01:16:19,289 --> 01:16:22,320 perspective it would be a win-win as 1602 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,599 well as for the community this would 1603 01:16:24,599 --> 01:16:27,359 certainly be a better fit than a rental 1604 01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:31,109 duplex where one person or one investor 1605 01:16:31,109 --> 01:16:34,499 owns one building lot as you go through 1606 01:16:34,499 --> 01:16:39,209 so we hope you look at that and I think 1607 01:16:39,209 --> 01:16:42,869 I can't see any negative from approving 1608 01:16:42,869 --> 01:16:46,050 this text amendment but do you have any 1609 01:16:46,050 --> 01:16:48,570 questions for me on it um just maybe a 1610 01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:51,419 slight I don't know clarification or not 1611 01:16:51,419 --> 01:16:52,829 really a clarification but just 1612 01:16:52,829 --> 01:16:55,229 additional information that I I know 1613 01:16:55,229 --> 01:16:57,780 from our previous presentation that 1614 01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:59,760 you've had with this the price point 1615 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,219 that you are proposing and I realize 1616 01:17:02,219 --> 01:17:04,050 we're not considering an individual 1617 01:17:04,050 --> 01:17:05,669 project right now or anything but the 1618 01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:07,499 price point you're proposing would 1619 01:17:07,499 --> 01:17:10,889 probably preclude these being rental 1620 01:17:10,889 --> 01:17:15,030 units well exactly so that's that's what 1621 01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:17,039 our desire was is we wanted to build a 1622 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,919 more quality product where and if we're 1623 01:17:19,919 --> 01:17:22,439 doing them as rental units they would be 1624 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,689 very simplified and the cost would have 1625 01:17:24,689 --> 01:17:26,999 to be much less expensive to make the 1626 01:17:26,999 --> 01:17:31,169 rentals work on a investor duplex where 1627 01:17:31,169 --> 01:17:32,840 and now we 1628 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,060 would make a much nicer unit because 1629 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:37,280 we'd be selling them as individual homes 1630 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:38,960 so to speak even though their twin homes 1631 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,050 and they would certainly be a lot nicer 1632 01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:45,099 and the price point would be higher okay 1633 01:17:45,099 --> 01:17:48,170 thank you any other questions for mr. 1634 01:17:48,170 --> 01:17:49,730 Reynolds at this time I have a question 1635 01:17:49,730 --> 01:17:55,869 so you said do you have you met with the neighbors since we met a while back 1636 01:17:55,869 --> 01:17:59,989 no in trying to be transparent we had 1637 01:17:59,989 --> 01:18:03,340 actually had met with them prior to 1638 01:18:03,340 --> 01:18:05,630 getting a couple of those properties 1639 01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:09,380 zoned to the rmb zone we have not met 1640 01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:11,989 with them since the property has been 1641 01:18:11,989 --> 01:18:12,920 rezoned 1642 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,099 and I remember what you said tonight and 1643 01:18:16,099 --> 01:18:18,889 what the neighbors had their concerns 1644 01:18:18,889 --> 01:18:23,119 were last time and it was something that 1645 01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:28,280 was more family oriented a little closer 1646 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,190 to a residential versus business 1647 01:18:31,190 --> 01:18:35,480 properties so it seems like this kind of 1648 01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:39,349 is that half way meeting point to suit 1649 01:18:39,349 --> 01:18:42,920 what they were looking for based upon 1650 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,070 the meeting and the comments that 1651 01:18:45,070 --> 01:18:47,449 everyone shared at the meeting 1652 01:18:47,449 --> 01:18:50,270 I think this text amendment allowing 1653 01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:54,320 twin homes is what they were looking for 1654 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,389 I know they had concern that they're 1655 01:18:56,389 --> 01:18:59,179 gonna be all rental units and they were 1656 01:18:59,179 --> 01:19:00,710 concerned about the commercial building 1657 01:19:00,710 --> 01:19:03,619 and I think with this text amendment it 1658 01:19:03,619 --> 01:19:05,210 will help us be able to have those a 1659 01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:09,710 sellable residential homes thank you 1660 01:19:09,710 --> 01:19:13,550 thanks very much thank you all right 1661 01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:15,679 with that I would like to open this 1662 01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:17,690 agenda item up for public comment if 1663 01:19:17,690 --> 01:19:19,849 you'd like to address the Commission 1664 01:19:19,849 --> 01:19:22,790 please my name is Davis Hanson 1665 01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:26,210 I live at 736 labrum Avenue I actually 1666 01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:27,830 didn't come to this meeting planning to 1667 01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:30,980 comment on this but ironically or 1668 01:19:30,980 --> 01:19:33,679 whatever the circumstances are here I am 1669 01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:37,969 and I I have a very I'm very well-read 1670 01:19:37,969 --> 01:19:41,590 and the army zoning and you are correct 1671 01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:44,540 this is probably a best-case scenario 1672 01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:49,700 for that property so I wasn't at that 1673 01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:51,680 mean I was at the very first meeting 1674 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,360 where they proposed something entirely 1675 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,910 different which was terrible 1676 01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:58,250 this is a best-case scenario 1677 01:19:58,250 --> 01:20:01,340 I think it's a great a great plan 1678 01:20:01,340 --> 01:20:04,850 honestly so twin homes they'll be nice 1679 01:20:04,850 --> 01:20:06,860 you'll get some new neighbors in there I 1680 01:20:06,860 --> 01:20:11,650 think it's great so thank you 1681 01:20:11,650 --> 01:20:16,610 anyone else all right seeing none I will 1682 01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:19,100 close the public comment portion bring 1683 01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:22,040 it back up here I don't think we've got 1684 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,600 any additional questions of the 1685 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,260 applicant or staff so mr. chair I'd like 1686 01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:29,960 to make a motion that we forward a 1687 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,550 recommendation of approval to the City 1688 01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:37,580 Council to include land-use number one one two twin homes as a permitted 1689 01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:40,910 use in the rnv zone by amending the text 1690 01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:47,380 of section 17.1 for 0.020 be as follows 1691 01:20:47,380 --> 01:20:49,520 single-family dwelling attached twin 1692 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,290 homes twin homes shall meet the 1693 01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:53,350 following yard and area quirements 1694 01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:56,270 10,000 square foot lot minimum five 1695 01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:58,400 thousand square feet each dwelling each 1696 01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,900 dwelling must maintain the following 1697 01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:02,600 minimum setbacks from property lines 25 1698 01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,850 feet front yard zero interior we're 1699 01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:06,770 adjacent to second dwelling 8 feet 1700 01:21:06,770 --> 01:21:08,900 interior side yard 20 feet corner side 1701 01:21:08,900 --> 01:21:13,130 yard and 25 feet rear yard thank you mr. 1702 01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:14,780 Woodbury I'll second that 1703 01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:17,239 mr. chairman I have a motion by Scott 1704 01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:20,120 Woodbury a second by Ned hacker to 1705 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,010 forward a recommendation of approval to 1706 01:21:22,010 --> 01:21:23,930 the City Council to include land use 1707 01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:26,780 number one one one two twin homes as a 1708 01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:28,940 permitted use in the RnB zone by 1709 01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:32,450 amending the text section the text of 1710 01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:37,550 section 17 point 1 for 0.020 be as read 1711 01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:48,690 into the minutes by mr. Woodbury yes yes 1712 01:21:48,690 --> 01:21:52,090 good luck mr. alt we look forward to 1713 01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:53,889 seeing you again with some more details 1714 01:21:53,889 --> 01:21:56,889 and and a project I'm sure I'm sure 1715 01:21:56,889 --> 01:21:59,320 there'll be a lot of interest Thanks 1716 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,080 all right with that that concludes our 1717 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,330 regular agenda for this evening 1718 01:22:04,330 --> 01:22:08,199 staff additional information or anything 1719 01:22:08,199 --> 01:22:15,909 we need to know any parties Zach yes 1720 01:22:15,909 --> 01:22:19,000 always free to come down I'll just give 1721 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,560 an update for those of you that weren't 1722 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,260 able to attend didn't plan on doing it 1723 01:22:23,260 --> 01:22:25,929 but the fashion place West open house we 1724 01:22:25,929 --> 01:22:30,100 got between 30 and 35 people that was 1725 01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:33,070 much better than they were expecting so 1726 01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:38,920 was it good yeah so plenty of cookies 1727 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,350 yeah I got shanghaied by three or four 1728 01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:42,820 different people I didn't know it to 1729 01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:48,070 really delve into the actual it was nice 1730 01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:49,540 to talk to the people that were there 1731 01:22:49,540 --> 01:22:52,510 for sure yeah so it was really well 1732 01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:57,030 received we'll have we got a draft 1733 01:22:57,030 --> 01:23:00,280 existing conditions report that I'm kind 1734 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,159 of going through and we'll have more 1735 01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,949 information later so any idea when a 1736 01:23:05,949 --> 01:23:09,280 follow-up meeting or discussion will be 1737 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,900 or anything um I believe probably I 1738 01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:17,580 think it's April May okay yeah so either 1739 01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:20,260 sometime between there yeah I'm excited 1740 01:23:20,260 --> 01:23:22,630 I really do think there's a lot of 1741 01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:24,670 potential for that gateway right there 1742 01:23:24,670 --> 01:23:28,420 yeah it really with the subdivisions on 1743 01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:30,600 either side of Winchester there yeah 1744 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,340 there's a lot of potential yeah it's a 1745 01:23:33,340 --> 01:23:35,260 lot of fun and it's exciting to go 1746 01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:40,510 through it so next the next agenda just 1747 01:23:40,510 --> 01:23:43,889 went out today it's not very big right 1748 01:23:43,889 --> 01:23:46,900 so might be complicated but it's not 1749 01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:47,500 very big 1750 01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:49,830 so all right we're good to go how does 1751 01:23:49,830 --> 01:24:00,879 anything else 1752 01:24:00,889 --> 01:24:04,849 one second opposed no one second of it I 1753 01:24:04,849 --> 01:24:07,699 would drop my motion you're a same Scott 1754 01:24:07,699 --> 01:24:13,999 so I just wanted to point out just for sake of of so you know so there's a 1755 01:24:13,999 --> 01:24:16,639 City Council that mr. Davis sorry mr. 1756 01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:20,749 Hanson it's confusing for people like me 1757 01:24:20,749 --> 01:24:23,269 mr. Hanson filled out a city council 1758 01:24:23,269 --> 01:24:25,340 comment for him because he thought that 1759 01:24:25,340 --> 01:24:27,769 we have a comment section we don't we 1760 01:24:27,769 --> 01:24:30,110 don't do that so I'm gonna use my sort 1761 01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:33,050 of other items time to point out to you 1762 01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:34,070 what he wanted to bring to your 1763 01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:36,399 attention we have some we have some 1764 01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:37,909 complaints in the neighborhood around 1765 01:24:37,909 --> 01:24:39,409 the advocates about parking on the 1766 01:24:39,409 --> 01:24:42,679 streets we're delving into that with the 1767 01:24:42,679 --> 01:24:44,479 code enforcement interest to have its 1768 01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,189 own traffic and safety it's on corn for 1769 01:24:46,189 --> 01:24:47,780 sment we've been looking at that so I've 1770 01:24:47,780 --> 01:24:49,070 advised mr. Hanson to go to the 1771 01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:50,899 council's comment section to bring that 1772 01:24:50,899 --> 01:24:51,829 up but he wanted to make sure you guys 1773 01:24:51,829 --> 01:24:52,880 knew about it because you are the body 1774 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,860 that approved the conditional use for it 1775 01:24:54,860 --> 01:24:57,889 so that surprises me is does it have to 1776 01:24:57,889 --> 01:25:01,209 do with who they've sublet officers to 1777 01:25:01,209 --> 01:25:04,039 the original business would would cause 1778 01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:06,320 that it has to do with reservation of 1779 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,550 parking stalls is what I'm understanding 1780 01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:09,919 just this last couple of weeks it has to 1781 01:25:09,919 --> 01:25:11,899 do with practices of preserving of our 1782 01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:13,399 keys they're hoarding and the new 1783 01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:15,260 tenants we're trying to find a way to 1784 01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:19,189 work that out as as we speak so it's 1785 01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:20,749 really a quality development and we're 1786 01:25:20,749 --> 01:25:22,519 very proud of it but at the same time 1787 01:25:22,519 --> 01:25:24,679 it's got its got to work it's again it's 1788 01:25:24,679 --> 01:25:26,989 a functional deal we were quite enough 1789 01:25:26,989 --> 01:25:28,669 parking right it's just how it's being 1790 01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:30,139 used and we have to address that it's 1791 01:25:30,139 --> 01:25:32,389 tricky but we're trying to figure that 1792 01:25:32,389 --> 01:25:48,169 out now all right thank you that's all I 1793 01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:50,719 had all right now I'll make a motion to 1794 01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:51,280 adjourn 1795 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,179 second we're adjourned