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Welcome to the July 14th, 2026 in-depth

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city council meeting. Cinda, will you

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please do the roll call?

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>> Council member Landy,

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>> present.

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>> Council member [clears throat] Osborne,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Gordon,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Brockert,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Lewis,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Connor,

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>> recording in progress. Council member

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Gind.

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>> Thank you. Please stand for the pledge

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of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. And tonight we have a

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presentation by HDR Engineering Inc. on

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the Isizit Avenue Cypress Street

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Reconstruction. Welcome.

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>> Thank you. Well, we're happy to be back.

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Uh my name is Morgan Maize with HDR.

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With me is Taylor Thielen with HDR as

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well. So tonight we want to go a little

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bit deeper into the Isit Cypress

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reconstruction project. We were here in

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midappril. Gave you guys real short kind

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of high high level overview on that one.

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There was some really good discussion

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and questions. So tonight, we're really

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going to start from the very or south

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end of that and go to the north end and

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step through every inch of that project

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at least to give you guys an opportunity

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to see what's being proposed and ask any

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questions along the way. There will be

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some key things tonight considering

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aesthetics where we would really

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encourage any sort of feedback or um

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discussion on what you council members

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may be considering or envisioning for

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certain aspects of it. um those being

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like, "Hey, we've got some bridge

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aesthetics and some railing or we've got

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retaining walls. What kind of appearance

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do we want those to have?" Right? So,

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those are a few opportunities tonight.

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We really would encourage that feedback.

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And then throughout the discussion

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tonight, please just this is meant to be

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collaborative. So, please just get our

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attention. Let's ask questions as we go

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and uh have a good discussion. So, with

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that, I'll step into this. Um so, we

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have the Isiza Avenue Cypress

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Reconstruction Project. the overall

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purpose and need of this project. We

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never want to really lose sight of this.

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bring about some long-term

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reconstruction. Right? This corridor has

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it's important. It's industrial. It's

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the main conduit and truck route from

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down to Fifth Street at H&I. Right. So,

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it's pretty key. We're serving H&I.

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key connections at Lake Park Boulevard,

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right? You name it. Our detour route on

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the 8th when we've got flood

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considerations down at Fifth. So, it's a

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big deal. Um, so we are looking at this

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project for the long term as something

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that's really going to serve the

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community moving forward. Um, so we've

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also got neighborhood access, right? All

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of the south end of this and really the

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north end of it serves a lot of the

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community. And so we want to make sure

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that this project is safe. it's

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consistent um to keep moving through and

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really we're improving the pedestrian

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and bike connections throughout the city

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of this this primary corridor. So,

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>> can you speak into the microphone? We've

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got some concerns on channel two about

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not hearing as well as YouTube. So,

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>> No. So, project funding. I want to make

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sure that just to reiterate this. So

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this project has designon funding

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currently. So the city was awarded a

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federal raise grant a few years ago to

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fund the design only of this project. So

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that does not include any sort of

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construction funding through this. So

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one of the big tasks ahead of us is

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continuing the discussion about how

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we're going to fund the implementation

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and construction of this project. Um so

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that's one thing that we've got a lot of

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different options ahead of us. I think

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there is always the continued request

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for federal funding at a full project

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level or broken into pieces and that's

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kind of the basis for how we've

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approached the design of this as well to

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give the city the most opportunity to

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find small and large funding for the

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project. So ultimately,

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line on who's in charge of getting these

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serve the the project and the community,

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right? So, we are going to always

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advocate and help show you guys a path

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towards implementation.

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Funding funding the design of a project

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is great, but I don't always like a

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project that's been designed and it's

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perfect and it sits on a shelf and then

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it's never built for the community,

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right? We design for the community in

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mind. So part of what we will continue

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to do is advocate towards these are

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opportunities for funding and then we

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are always available outside of this

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specific design contract because it's

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not allowable under the design under the funding guidelines to support grant

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applications, grant kind of uh basically

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scoring of which ones are most

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applicable to this, which ones this

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community has the best opportunity to go

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after. Um that's something that our team

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does really really well and um will help

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continue in that in that path forward.

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So um one of the and it's worth noting

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right now one of the current calls for

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projects that are out there is through

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the bystate regional commission which is

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our mo here in the quad quad cities

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region. They have a uh uh surface

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transportation block grant opportunity

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which is a federal 8020 split grant that

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right now they are calling for projects

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that extend through federal fiscal year

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2030. So I believe in bystates region

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over that period of time there's a

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collective pool of close to $22 million

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in funds that I would encourage part of

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this project request funding over that

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time period to at least get one of these

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projects partially funded through that.

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of support there if the council does

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support us supporting the city going

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after some of those funds and making

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sure that we're applying for at least a

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portion of this project. To give you a

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baseline right now the the March

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estimate that we did for the entirety of

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just construction only was pushing $19

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million right in 2026.

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>> Yeah. And I'll I'll add to that more. Go

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ahead. We early on in the design

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process, we strategically split this up

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into three different areas to really try

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to hone in on, you know, specific one

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area like the middle section we'll talk

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about later, but really there's

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applicable funding to the middle section

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um city bridge funds and others. Um it

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also has a roundabout in there. So we

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really broke that up and made these all

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independent of each other. So they can

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theoretically be built um all

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independently um and in sequence. So

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that was just a strategy we instead of

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having to get a huge bucket of money, we

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can kind of

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pieces, right, you're probably going to

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be averaging in that six to7 million a

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piece range, right? So finding funds if big picture ballpark discussions,

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right? If there's $22 million of set

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aside within bystate, you're probably

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looking at potentially a one project off

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for the city of Musketine that's going

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to be in that four and a half, five and

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a half range. It's just my guess right

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now of potential funding that you could

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go after and competitively uh compete

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for there. So that's big picture

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something that I think we should

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consider going after there. And then as

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Taylor indicated, there are multiple

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individual elements that allow these

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projects to proceed that we can compound

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funding on top of each other to to

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coincide with that. So, I think a lot of

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the continued discussion about this

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project will be about how we're going to

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fund the implementation of it. Um,

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because one of the grant considerations

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and requirements is that the project

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does move forward to construction. It

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cannot just sit.

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>> So, I've got a question. How quickly do

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we need to apply for those grant funds?

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So the current round of solicitations

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through bystate actually is due by the

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end of this month January 30 or July

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31st to u go for solicitation for

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projects through federal fiscal year

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2030. Um so I would encourage again that

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we you know continue that discussion or

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apply for at least one of these projects

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within that that grant opportunity.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So funding we could talk about all day.

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I think that would be a further

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discussion as we continue throughout

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this project. But um overview, right,

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let's set the table here a little bit.

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So as Taylor indicated, we've got a long

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corridor of project, right? It's close

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to 1.7 miles. And what we have done is

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break that into manageable pieces that

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all have what the DOT defers as

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independent utilities. So these can be

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individual projects on their own. We can

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find individual pieces of funding that

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goes with it. And then what we've tried

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to do is help prioritize and in at least

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the the staff's view which one is the

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more priority that we hit first. So the

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way that we've looked at this is the

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first segment would actually be the

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middle segment, right? That takes us

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from Woodlon on Isaac Avenue all the way

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up through the Clay Street intersection.

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So that would be the first segment that

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includes [clears throat] everything in

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front of Hines, the Bidwell

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intersection, their uh Geneva Creek

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bridge replacement as well as a proposed

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roundabout at Clay Street. That would

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all be part of that, that first segment.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> The second segment is the south segment

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which would extend on Cypress Street

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from Fifth Street on the far south end

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all the way up to tie in there at

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Woodlon and include the 11th Street

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intersection as well then and everything

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part of that. And then the final segment

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is recommended as the north segment

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which is everything north of Clay Street

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to the bypass.

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So, what we've got planned here is that

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we'll step through each of these

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segments in a little bit more detail so

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that you guys can ask questions and just

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get a better understanding of what's

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being proposed intersection by

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intersection, segment by segment.

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[clears throat] So, employment

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industrial area, that middle segment is chalk full of this is our one of our

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primary industrial areas on the

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corridor. Not that the whole thing

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doesn't lead to industry, but right here

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on the corridor is a big one. We've got

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a lot of trucks during the peak activity

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hours as well as um a lot of safety

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driven decisions that we need to make

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for improving the connection with

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Bidwell and um and Clay Street.

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So, um we try to showcase here some

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street views of just what is existing to

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give you guys that sense of reality here

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of where that's at and then what is

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being proposed. So, this is a section

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that's there just past Bidwell and north of Bidwell um with the the strip

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mall area where we're proposing to take

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that down from a four-lane section to

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actually a three-lane section. Now,

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through the majority of this corridor, I

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want to

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offer the opportunity, imagine you're

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driving this section and how many times

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we have to change lanes or shift how

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we're driving up and down this roadway.

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One of the primary goals of this whole

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project is to be safe, consistent,

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something that drivers can reliably know

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I've got a single lane or this is the

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lane I need to be in that's through

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traffic or turning. So when we propose

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any sort of adjustment to that typical

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roadway section, it is always with that

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safety driven mindset that is driving

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this. We have done a traffic study.

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We've reviewed all the different traffic

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um uh projections as far as traffic.

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there's really no projected change to

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the level of traffic. Um, so this is all

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compliant with what we would expect to see for proposed roadway. So with

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that, I'm going to let Taylor kind of

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jump into some of the details.

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>> Okay. Yeah, we have quite a few slides

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here. So I'll have the highlights on on

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each of these here. This is the what you

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just saw, but kind of in more of a

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typical section view. Um, you have your

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center left turn lane. It's 12 foot

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lane, then two 11 foot lanes, two drive

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lanes there. Um, we are adding a eight

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foot trail and so by necking down from

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that four lane to the three lane, that's

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what we're basically that's where that

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additional pavement is going. So, our

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goal has been throughout this project to

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try to squeeze this in within rightway

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best we can. Um there are areas that

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will will likely need temporary easement

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and maybe some partial acquisition and

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some permanent easements, but largely

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we're fitting within rightway um on this

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project.

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So here we we're starting with the

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middle section. This is what we

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projected to build first. Um this is on

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the south end of the construction

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limits. Um things to note here, the

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Hines crossing. I got my cursor here.

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Um we are making a couple of adjustments

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here at this at this crossing here. Uh

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currently today there's a traffic signal

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there. Um through our analysis with

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traffic we are proposing to remove that

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traffic signal there. Um but in

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replacement uh we're proposing this on

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if you look on the bottom left this RFB

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it's a pedestrian uh flashing beacon. So

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that will flash. And we are also adding

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with the addition of this uh this third

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or the center turn lane, we're adding a

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concrete median as a refuge island. So

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pedestrians cross to the median, they

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can take refuge there and then uh finish

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their movement across there.

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>> I'd add this is this is again based on

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the traffic analysis of what what has

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been showed and recommended there. We

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have had really great discussion with

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Steve and staff here lately. Um short of

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having the conversation with Hines

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directly that there's probably a desire

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that the actual signal be put back or a

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new one put in its place. So, um I guess

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we are aware of those those feelings

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right now. Um

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open any thoughts from from council as

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well of just we know that the amount of

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traffic pedestrian traffic when they

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come from there.

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>> Did you think about doing a walkover or

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a tunnel under?

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>> It certainly could probably not a tunnel

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under but a flood situation would really

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pose a risk here, right? The water table

402
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gets pretty high. You've got a close

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stream that's nearby. I love bridges.

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are really expensive, right? So,

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frankly, the the cheapest option is to

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protect that with some sort of true

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signal if you want to go to the next

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step above just a flashing beacon like

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that.

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>> I think that's also there to let

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employees drive out of that parking lot,

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too, to get traffic to stop so employees

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can leave.

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Not just for crossing, walking the

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sidewalk.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I agree, Matt.

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>> Yeah. If we're talking about safety all

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the time, removing that signal

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[clears throat] makes me a little

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nervous and stuff that we're talking

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about safety and safety is driving this.

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>> Removing that signal is probably

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>> makes me a little uh anxious and nervous

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about taking that out,

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>> especially as the the people are leaving

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from work or coming into work for

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traffic.

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>> Yeah.

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semis.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Well, I I echo that. I think we we've

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heard that several times now. I think

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the general consensus that we've

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received from city staff as well is that signal's been there. It's what

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we're kind of used to and it provides

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that additional level of crossing

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ability for those users and employees

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that are there at high.

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>> Right. Well, I think a red light would

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get more attention

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>> to [clears throat] a motorist than a

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flashing light because well, what is

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the lights.

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>> Yeah, you know what a red light is, what

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it means. Flashing light maybe not so

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much.

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>> I would agree.

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>> Yeah, I will say, you know, as we talk

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about these different changes and stuff,

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it's we are in a preliminary state and,

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you know, these are rooted in our

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traffic analysis, but doesn't mean

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they're, you know, set in stone by

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means. So, this is what we're looking

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for is some of this input. So,

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>> um,

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other other changes here. So currently

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today that the parking lot largely

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drains towards the roadway. Um you kind

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of see now kind of the white area there.

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We are introducing a small swale here to

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intercept some of that drainage. And um

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what this is helps us do in addition to

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all the additional storm sewer and

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upsizing the pipes. Now we have more

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resiliency in the roadway. So on on a

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smaller rain event that may where it may

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have flooded before or you know ponded

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quite a bit, we should be able to knock

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down some of those smaller rains and not

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have experience as frequent of flooding

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ponding. So

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>> I have an another question. I'm sorry.

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So did you I mean since we're redoing

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the road, you're going from four lanes

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to three. So that should give us a

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little bit more space. Is there any way

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to have like a a bike lane? I mean,

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we're looking at making our city more

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bike friendly, walkability. You know,

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that's the one thing we hear from

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constituents all the time is that they

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want that ability to do that where like

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up in Iowa City, there's actually a lane

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where the bikes can go and be out of the

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main traffic.

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>> Sorry.

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>> No, you're good. So, I mean, one of the

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key challenges throughout this project

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has just been trying to not take

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additional right away while still

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meeting the goals of that, right? We

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want to increase the bike ability of

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this entire corridor. So the the path

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that has been taken so far is that we

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want a dedicated separate bike path

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that's offered. And so we've provided

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that through the out the entirety of the

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corridor um from this far south end

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where we actually tie in at Fifth Street

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with a bike trail as it's shown here in

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the middle section as well that's on the

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east side of Cypress and Isaac. And that

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trail is, as Taylor mentioned earlier,

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eight feet wide and separate from the

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roadway. Um that continues all the way

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up until Lake Park where it will have a

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future connection with the rest of the

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greenway trail system, but then also

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flip over to the west side of Isizit and

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continue all the way up to Oak Park.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, we are accommodating that. Um maybe

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it's a personal preference, but I always

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like to see it separated. I've done a

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lot of on-road bike paths and bike lanes

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and it still poses a

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>> it's not as favorable to bikers, right?

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So, I I think what we've provided is

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something that is absolutely

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accommodating the biking as well as

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still providing a full 5-ft sidewalk on

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the other side of this. So, you are

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going to have either a 5-ft walk on one

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side and an 8 foot uh trail on the other

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throughout the corridor.

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Okay, let's move on to the next section

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here. Uh here the probably the focus

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would be the Oh, sorry about that. Focus

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here would be the the Bidwell Isait

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intersection. Uh we're really realigning

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that and getting that more 90. Um just

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it's much better from a you when you're

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going approaching the intersection, not

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having to make that, you know, turn with

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your head to to look for approach

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vehicles. Um we are updating all the

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signals here. There's you'll see the

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turn arrows there. We have dedicated

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turn lanes uh both from the eastbound is

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heading northbound on Bidwell and then

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the southbound Bidwell uh heading

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eastbound on Isizit. Um we are planning

545
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,280
on currently to on the eastbound Isizit

546
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,600
adding a green arrow so be a dedicated

547
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,400
left turn there. Um that was something

548
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,240
that had been discussed uh previously

549
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280
with the city that they um wanted there.

550
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,960
So that's currently our plan on that.

551
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,039
>> Why not a roundabout there?

552
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:11,039
>> Yeah, so we we did look at a roundabout

553
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,000
there

554
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,640
>> um extensively. We we laid it out and I

555
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,640
think we have maybe some more we don't

556
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,919
have it on this slide, but we have a

557
00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:21,760
different slide. Um and how it kind of

558
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,480
laid out there with with the kind of the

559
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,799
skew and everything. The Hines truck

560
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,760
traffic will really be traversing that

561
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,720
kind of truck apron a lot. it it really

562
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,320
was kind of an awkward movement for the

563
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,640
trucks and with the volume of trucks

564
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,400
didn't really make a lot of sense to

565
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,679
have make them make that movement all

566
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,520
the time. Um, we also looked at it from

567
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320
a benefit cost analysis perspective. DOT

568
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,799
provides this spreadsheet that looks at

569
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:50,000
safety factors and cost and it really

570
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,480
had a low ratio on that. So like from

571
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,919
two different angles, we looked at it

572
00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:56,559
and it really just didn't pencil out

573
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,679
versus clay did did pencil out as a

574
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,679
pretty good option and has better turn

575
00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:03,120
movements. So

576
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,720
>> So what is the plan to get into Hines in

577
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,559
the process of cutting like when we

578
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:12,240
build this to get the semi- traffic to

579
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,440
Hines?

580
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,280
>> I I'm just thinking that's a big huge

581
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,039
chunk of road to take out and that's

582
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,000
their entryway.

583
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,679
>> You're thinking like a designer already.

584
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,640
So no. Um so what we actually have

585
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880
proposed for the entirety of this

586
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,480
through the section here um at Geneva

587
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,280
bridge and from Clay Street. So we don't

588
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,360
have the detour routes shown on here but

589
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,360
essentially when we get I might even go

590
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,960
up to Clay and just kind of start the

591
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,919
discussion there. Uh yes. So, it's not

592
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,600
shown on here, but we are going to

593
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,440
construct this proposing to construct

594
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,679
the entire roundabout while we have a

595
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:52,559
detour that connects Isait to Clay.

596
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,080
While that is being done, Hines traffic

597
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,039
will go in on their through their north

598
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,679
lot and cross their separate bridge that

599
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:04,799
crosses into the plant on the north end

600
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,120
because during that closure, Isaac would

601
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,720
be closed in this area and we would be

602
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,960
reconstructing the bridge and everything

603
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,679
leading up to Bidwell under a full

604
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:14,799
closure there.

605
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,520
>> So, does that mean then semi-tra would

606
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,919
be coming down Lake Park?

607
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:22,159
No, because that's not a dedicated truck

608
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:23,919
route that's permitted, right? So, we

609
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,080
have to leave Isait open

610
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,919
>> so that we would actually maybe it's

611
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,000
kind of hard to see, but essentially we

612
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,960
have a detour route, a detour road that

613
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,480
cuts this corner

614
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,960
>> to be able to connect in. So, you always

615
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,960
will have full connection from Isiza to

616
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,720
Lake Park and then that allows for the

617
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,360
truck movements and deliveries into into

618
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,919
Hines during that time. So we have

619
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,600
thought through all the staging

620
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,279
>> that that that property you're

621
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,000
highlighting is not Hines property.

622
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,159
That's a privatized warehouse.

623
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:55,919
>> Correct. 103 is not

624
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:56,320
>> correct.

625
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,919
>> So you're going to have to bring a group

626
00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:59,840
Clay.

627
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,039
>> So yeah, there is an entrance to Hines

628
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,039
basically right at the edge of this page

629
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,279
here that is there today. It's already a

630
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,360
fence gate and entrance and that's been

631
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,120
coordinated with Hines that that would

632
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,039
be allowable for their access during

633
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,279
construction.

634
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,600
off of Clay Street though. Advis it is

635
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,440
closed. Got to come off of Clay.

636
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,000
Correct.

637
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,600
>> Correct. You're going to come in off of

638
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,440
Clay Street here on that north end of

639
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,467
their property.

640
00:25:27,477 --> 00:25:28,880
[clears throat]

641
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,279
>> But I You're still coming down Is it?

642
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,880
>> You're coming down Isait this way.

643
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,240
>> Coming down is I You're not coming all

644
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
the way off of Clay off of Park Avenue.

645
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,919
Correct. I'm still coming down.

646
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:39,919
>> We cannot detour truck traffic through

647
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:41,919
that route at all. Right. The only truck

648
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:44,159
route to get down there is from Isizit.

649
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:48,960
So if we have to close any part of this project, this is the only section

650
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,480
that would have a full closure that

651
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,000
allows that detour and that truck

652
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,159
traffic to still continue. The rest of

653
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:55,760
the truck traffic that would in theory

654
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,320
be going past Hines have to has to go an

655
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,000
alternate route.

656
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,039
>> Okay. So, how much extra ride ofway will

657
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,400
we need to construct a roundabout that

658
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,559
will accommodate

659
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,520
53 ft trailers and the semi- rigs and

660
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960
all of that to go through there easily

661
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,320
without having to stop and back up and

662
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,520
jockey around.

663
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,120
>> Yep. Right. There are some acquisitions

664
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,360
necessary with this one. We are not

665
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,440
taking any of the corner of Hines that

666
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,840
is here. And actually, we're not taking

667
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
anything off of this property in final

668
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,440
design. It's hard to see, but there's

669
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,279
some dash lines in here of what is the

670
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,640
right of way. Um, but over on this west

671
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,080
side, there is some right-of-way

672
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,919
considerations that we have to to

673
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:46,470
consider. Um,

674
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,080
probably a deeper discussion that could

675
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,120
be had, but the the the roadway itself

676
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,960
through here has been designed to

677
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,120
accommodate what we would call a 25-y

678
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,640
year storm event.

679
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,039
>> Mhm.

680
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,440
>> Right. So you might remember maybe 18

681
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,360
months ago we had our latest flood down

682
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,400
here and we had probably I don't know 10

683
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,559
inches of rain above water above the

684
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:10,480
roadway and I was closed. That's a good

685
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,240
idea of what we're trying to make sure

686
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,559
we design the roadway to be above so

687
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,120
that we do not have any closure for a

688
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,840
storm event in that in that 25 year

689
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,720
range. Right? So, in order to

690
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,799
accommodate that though, we have to

691
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,240
consider the different hydraulics that

692
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000
are here and how much we're raising that

693
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,520
roadway.

694
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,039
So,

695
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,559
I'm going to try and lay out a picture

696
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,960
here. I guess envision this. Right now,

697
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,039
that roadway is pretty low and it gets

698
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,080
flooded, right? As we just experienced.

699
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080
>> If I'm raising that roadway, I'm now

700
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,919
blocking the path that that water has

701
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,080
available to it to continue down to Mad

702
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,640
Creek and further downstream.

703
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,720
So now, as I raise that roadway, I'm

704
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,279
backing up that that water. It all has

705
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,480
to get through Geneva Creek Bridge.

706
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960
In order to do that without making us

707
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,159
have, oh, I don't know, 200, 250 foot

708
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,399
long bridge to do that, we're going to

709
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,080
create a little bit of backwater that

710
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080
goes further upstream until that water

711
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,960
can pass through the new bridge. that

712
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,720
does cause some concerns with some of

713
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,360
the real estate on this upstream side of

714
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,960
the roadway that we're going to have to consider as we go through that either

715
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,720
through mitigation opportunities or

716
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,559
through acquisitions that impact it. So,

717
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,919
this this property and some of it there

718
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:32,240
along that that north bank of Geneva

719
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Creek is is something that we'll have to

720
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,799
consider what's how we want to approach

721
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,760
that to mitigate that backwater effect.

722
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,559
Now, this roundabout itself

723
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,240
has been designed to fit in here that

724
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,240
could accommodate that house not being

725
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,159
taken. But then we have those other

726
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,760
rightway and hydraulic considerations

727
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,279
that we'll have to talk through and work

728
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:51,679
through.

729
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:53,360
>> Okay.

730
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,279
>> So, but throughout all of this, we've

731
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,200
minimized right ofway acquisition a a

732
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,240
lot. So, hopefully that answered your

733
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,799
question.

734
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:03,520
>> Yes. Thank you.

735
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,720
>> Okay.

736
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then with the truck,

737
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,760
your question on the truck turn

738
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,120
movements that that was all considered

739
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
in there. This this is the the true size

740
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,880
>> accommodating those trucks in there. So

741
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,440
>> we've got some situations in town where

742
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,520
the trucks go through the like the by

743
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,919
the roundabout at second in Malberry and

744
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:24,000
then they have to make this hairpin turn

745
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,840
down

746
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,799
just a block down the street getting on

747
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,440
the Mississippi drive and that to me

748
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,000
>> no

749
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:32,960
>> that doesn't work.

750
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,799
>> Nope. We designed the basically overall

751
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,240
circle and everything to accommodate the

752
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080
larger trucks knowing the truck volumes

753
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960
in this corridor. So,

754
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,149
let's see.

755
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:47,760
Uh, one thing to note here, um, we were

756
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,600
alerted to some flooding that was

757
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,000
happening um, periodically over the

758
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,880
years in this corner here. Looked into

759
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
it. Um, there's there's about 51 acres

760
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,279
of drainage coming into that uh,

761
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,080
existing 24 in uh, storm pipe. So, it's

762
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,159
severely unders sized. So, that's one of

763
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,559
the upgrades here. Um, as part of our

764
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,640
overall storm upgrades, we're actually

765
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,360
upsizing that to a 48 inch pipe. Um, and

766
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,000
it'll handle that those floods and won't

767
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,960
get into that.

768
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,320
>> That's right on the back side of Martin

769
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Wood.

770
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,480
>> Yeah, exactly. It won't get into their

771
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,039
parking lot as often. So, that was that was one of those cases where the,

772
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,039
you know, the stuff on that we're seeing

773
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,159
in the design, right, is actually

774
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:27,440
matching pretty closely with the

775
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,520
reality. So, that'd be a big improvement

776
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,200
there.

777
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,799
Um we are showing anytime you see the

778
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,399
blue there's a retaining wall. So there

779
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:35,840
already was a retaining wall out there

780
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,399
but uh with these improvements u we'll

781
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:39,840
get into some discussions on the

782
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
aesthetics but this will be a retaining

783
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,000
wall alongside the wall.

784
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,440
>> So the retaining wall will hold the

785
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,200
roadway back right. Road is going to be

786
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,120
higher than it is Phil wall I should

787
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,640
say. Yeah.

788
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,320
>> But what's what's shown there is what

789
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,480
would be reconstructed up to Leroy

790
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Street there. Um Yep.

791
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
um show you can kind of if it's a little

792
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,120
small but there's the we are planning to

793
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,720
reconstruct some of the sanitary sewer

794
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,760
that's um aging and in poor condition

795
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,559
through this area um as well as adding

796
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,080
as I mentioned before a lot of different

797
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,559
intakes on the west side is a general

798
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:15,919
note of this whole project on the west

799
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:17,279
side there's a lot of drainage coming

800
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,559
into that to the from the west and uh

801
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,880
today there's just severely undersized

802
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960
for storm sewer and intake so it'll

803
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640
um around a 10-year storm we're going to

804
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,200
accommodate for uh for just your average

805
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720
surface drainage. So that in conjunction

806
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,720
with our grade, it's it's going to be a

807
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,909
lot a lot better during rain events.

808
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,240
» And and as you say grade, right,

809
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
basically from Bidwell to the north

810
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,960
until we get to Clay Street, we are

811
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,440
raising that roadway. It's going to go

812
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,039
from about a zero zero change to at the

813
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,519
road at the bridge area itself that road

814
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,679
is approximately 4 feet higher than it

815
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:03,360
is today through there. So that is that

816
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,880
will be a change. It'll be a little bit

817
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,320
different how we get into that strip

818
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,679
mall that's there on the south side of

819
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:11,360
it. Um but that is probably the biggest

820
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,640
vertical change that we'll see

821
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,760
throughout the corridor.

822
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080
>> Yep. And then similar to the other by

823
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,840
Hines, we by that strip mall, we are

824
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,440
pulling away that parking lot a little

825
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,840
bit, adding that same kind of swale

826
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,080
there. This pipe here is that pipe that

827
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,760
I was just talking about, that 48 inch

828
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,440
is actually becomes a 54 inch right

829
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,279
here. Outlets into Geneva Creek. Um, and

830
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,159
then some sanitary sewer replacement

831
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,399
there. Uh, the three-lane section goes

832
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,159
through here through the bridge and

833
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:43,440
there's some bridge details we'll show

834
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,279
you, too.

835
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,279
Um, and we'll get into some bridge

836
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,399
aesthetics later as well.

837
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,480
So there you can see in that orange

838
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,399
yellow box there, there's it's kind of

839
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:56,880
hard to see a real dramatic raise, but

840
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,559
that's that's the four feet raise that

841
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,080
we're seeing there. The overall

842
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840
footprint of the bridge is going to stay

843
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,640
about the same. Um, even though we went

844
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,320
down from a four lane to a three lane,

845
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480
again, we're adding that trail. Um, so

846
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,080
it ends up being about a wash from a

847
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,320
width perspective. And then to construct

848
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,000
it, we're going to build the abutments

849
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,559
of the bridge outside of the existing

850
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,840
abutments there.

851
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,000
It's proposed as a 100 foot long bridge,

852
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,200
three span

853
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,279
>> and then wide enough uh to accommodate

854
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,240
the sidewalk and the trail and then our

855
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,840
three-lane roadway section there as

856
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,519
well. So you don't necessarily need a

857
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,039
turn lane on a bridge, but that's there

858
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,880
to help for maintenance reasons and

859
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,240
everything else and keep that roadway

860
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,919
consistent as we go there. Right? we'd

861
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:39,279
hate to set down a lane and all of a

862
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:42,799
sudden we got a one lane road. So, um

863
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,000
yeah, and it helps if you ever have any

864
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,919
ponding, you can have additional lane

865
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:50,080
lanage to use there. Um here we show the

866
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
overall typical of the bridge. What

867
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,480
we're proposing right now is a

868
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,279
separation barriers separating the the

869
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,159
bikes and the peds from the traffic

870
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,399
here. Uh then there's a a railing

871
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,640
proposed on top and then a a chain link

872
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,519
or whatever we decide on the fence on

873
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,750
the outside there.

874
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,280
» We'll get to the bridge aesthetics.

875
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
>> Oh yeah, that's right. Okay. Uh up here

876
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,119
at Clay, we touched on this a little bit

877
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,040
already. Um yeah, the that parking lot

878
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,560
down there, that was one thing I wanted

879
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,040
to mention is due to that detour. That's

880
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,079
why we're showing this parking lot um

881
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:30,960
reconstructed [clears throat] because

882
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,320
we're already tearing up that whole area

883
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,240
to make that connection. So, we're

884
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,520
essentially putting back the number of

885
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,480
spaces that they had out there was the

886
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,399
goal there.

887
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,159
And that's the and this is a tie-in

888
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,079
point to the between the middle and the

889
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,480
north project right there.

890
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,200
And again, it can be built on its own

891
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520
without any uh modifications to the

892
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,950
north or south.

893
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,359
And then that's just oh that that's this

894
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,839
will show you that entrance to to Hines

895
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:03,920
right so this is on clay so this is

896
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,760
where that existing gate is into Hines

897
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,359
and where we would facilitate their

898
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,520
access during construction for all the

899
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,750
Hines traffic.

900
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,520
So that brings us to the south segment

901
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,359
right so that's our second priority

902
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:18,800
project as we're looking at it today.

903
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,240
So, we'll start on the fifth on the

904
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,480
south end down at H&I and then move up

905
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,680
through Woodlon. Um, again, this is more

906
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,599
neighborhood context than anything else.

907
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,119
We really want to improve this for the

908
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,440
neighborhoods, right? There's a lot of a

909
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,119
lot of improvements that can be made

910
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,520
there. Um, we do see lower volumes

911
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,800
because you've got a bunch of traffic

912
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,800
that does turn whether it's Bidwell or

913
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
Hines or um, you know, even just 8

914
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,359
Street that you that you lose some of

915
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:46,000
that that traffic.

916
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,920
So, here's a lot of what you see today,

917
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,079
right? A lot of it is two-lane. Some

918
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,800
areas have small parking, minimal

919
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920
parking that's along it. Um, but again,

920
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,920
we want that consistent safe corridor

921
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,760
that we're looking at. So, through all

922
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,599
this, we're proposing most of this

923
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,200
section other than a couple turn lanes

924
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,880
that we'll look at like 8th Avenue or

925
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,920
8th Street. Um, where you've got two

926
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
lane, a lane in each direction, and

927
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,839
we're still maintaining then that trail

928
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:14,320
and sidewalk um, as we've been

929
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
proposing. So,

930
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960
um, this is this is a again that

931
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,640
detailed typical section of what you

932
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,640
would see where you've got 12 foot drive

933
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,000
lanes, you've got a full curb and

934
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,599
gutter, and then you've got the the five

935
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,760
foot sidewalk on the west side and the

936
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,720
8-oot trailer sidewalk on the east side

937
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,119
throughout that. Um, I will say the

938
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,520
south segment has been a really big

939
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,760
focus talking with MPNW and our partners

940
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,359
over there on how we're going to handle

941
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:41,200
all the utility accommodations uh

942
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680
throughout this one. So, um, Mark is

943
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,200
here today and it's been a really great

944
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,800
partnership and collaboration to date

945
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
and so we've been really, uh, continuing

946
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,640
that discussion to make sure utilities

947
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,400
don't become an issue.

948
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,839
>> Yeah, it's a quick question.

949
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:54,800
>> By all means,

950
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,920
>> have you, uh, done any real studies

951
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560
around 11th Street because that's kind

952
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,599
of in a blind corner where it jogs very

953
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:08,000
sharply. Yeah. And if you come down to

954
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,760
Cyprus/Itit

955
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,760
on that street, it's very hard to see

956
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,079
around the corner. You could see down

957
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,079
Cypress, but you can't necessarily see

958
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,560
up Isit. Would that be a spot for a

959
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,480
roundabout or have we discussed that?

960
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,320
>> So that has been a deep discussion as

961
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,079
well. When we started this project, I

962
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,440
think there was aspirations that that

963
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,359
also became a roundabout. But we came

964
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,240
back to a very similar constraint there

965
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,839
of just the

966
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,800
>> the geology of that not geology, but I

967
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,720
guess just the topographic state on that

968
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,560
one. Right? So I'm showing that now on

969
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640
the screen here, but on this this

970
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880
northeast northwest corner,

971
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,240
>> we've got a retaining wall there

972
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,920
already, right? In homes and properties

973
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,720
that

974
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,960
>> really started to begin to be impacted

975
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
by a roundabout fitting in there. And

976
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,720
then the other aspect is if you can

977
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,880
imagine this being a big circle that

978
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,599
minimizes acquisitions and right and

979
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,160
homes being impacted by it now you're

980
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040
asking every one of those trucks to

981
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,400
traverse over the center of that

982
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,040
roundabout.

983
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,680
>> Okay.

984
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,920
>> Right. And at the end of the day that

985
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,000
being this this being a truck route that

986
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,839
was probably the biggest deciding factor

987
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:16,000
why we are proposing that to be just a

988
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,960
cleaned up T intersection. um that

989
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,359
allows allows that truck and through

990
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,680
movements to to traverse that without

991
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,520
having to drive over the center of a

992
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,800
roundabout every single time.

993
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,119
>> Right.

994
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,040
>> How many tracks trucks African go up

995
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,079
that way though?

996
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:30,720
>> Yeah, they do.

997
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,119
>> Do they?

998
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:31,839
>> They do.

999
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:33,040
>> There's quite a few that come down that

1000
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,359
way.

1001
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:35,119
>> So, yeah. The other thing is though, how

1002
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,200
do you plan or is there a plan to

1003
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,200
improve visibility?

1004
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,280
>> Yeah. So, the way that we've configured

1005
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,000
this right now is it's kind of a again,

1006
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
I wish I was able to just zoom on this,

1007
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,960
but we've kind of done this as a a a

1008
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,680
two-phase stop opportunity, right? So,

1009
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,359
we've accommodated the pedestrian

1010
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:55,200
crosswalk in here where you're stopping

1011
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,320
at the stop sign behind that, right? But

1012
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,160
there is room in front of that crosswalk

1013
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,920
as well for a vehicle to get in front of

1014
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,079
that crosswalk to have full visibility

1015
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,920
that's through there before they would

1016
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,760
be coming out. Now, we have a full stop

1017
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400
control on 11th Street and no stop

1018
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,200
control on Isait Cypress right now as

1019
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,240
that is.

1020
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,800
>> So, we've reviewed the traffic analysis

1021
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,400
and I think Taylor, what were you

1022
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,880
telling me that every every 30 seconds

1023
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,119
you've got a northbound vehicle that's

1024
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:24,800
moving through there, every 15 seconds

1025
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,320
you have a southbound vehicle, right?

1026
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
So, there is room for uh that movement

1027
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,800
to come off of 11th Street. Um, if there

1028
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
is some real big concern that we're

1029
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,359
going to be holding up traffic on 11th,

1030
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:38,960
like then we could consider there being

1031
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680
a dedicated left turn if we needed to,

1032
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,359
but right now the traffic projections

1033
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,079
just don't show that as being necessary.

1034
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,400
So, we've we've taken a really hard look

1035
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,000
at all of the intersections on this

1036
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640
project. 11th, Clay, Bidwell, you name

1037
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,040
it. Um, cleaning up Lake Park, we'll

1038
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,280
talk about a little bit later. And this

1039
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,520
is what what we would recommend as being

1040
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,640
the most advantageous for safety and and

1041
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,920
the residents and community at large.

1042
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,560
>> So,

1043
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,839
>> okay. Thank you.

1044
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,760
>> You're welcome. So, we'll step back.

1045
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,240
>> We are we losing any is there any is

1046
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,160
there any on street parking currently

1047
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,880
there today in this section?

1048
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,359
>> So, there is

1049
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:22,400
probably a a couple spots that are just

1050
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,839
towards the top of the hill. I want to

1051
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:25,119
say when we're getting up towards

1052
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,400
seventh. Yeah.

1053
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,960
>> Um today, but they are not widely used

1054
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,880
and I would say not recommended if we

1055
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,320
want to fit all of this in there outside

1056
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,640
of taking rightway to still fit trail,

1057
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,680
sidewalk, roadway, everything in there.

1058
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,800
So throughout the south segment, we do

1059
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,280
not have any on street parking proposed.

1060
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,800
There is on street parking up on the

1061
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,480
north end of this corridor, but not the

1062
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,240
south end that's being proposed to fit

1063
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,160
all this in.

1064
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,760
So,

1065
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,240
um, so yeah, down at Fifth Street,

1066
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,160
recent coordination with city staff was

1067
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,720
let's let's replace part of that Fifth

1068
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,480
Street intersection further than what we

1069
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
had shown on the previous time. Um, and

1070
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,359
we are we've also had them worked with

1071
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,119
them to televise all of the sanitary

1072
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,800
sewer network down here. The

1073
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,280
recommendation from city staff and our

1074
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,520
further recommendation is that we would

1075
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,599
replace that sanitary sewer system as

1076
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,480
well, age, sizing, all of those things

1077
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,119
considered. um we don't want to have old

1078
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,119
infrastructure under a new roadway if we

1079
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,000
can. So this south segment all the way

1080
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,400
up through Woodlon is proposed for new

1081
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,040
sanitary as well. So that is a major

1082
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,040
consideration of just the extent of

1083
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,280
what's being reconstructed along here.

1084
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,800
And then we keep moving further north.

1085
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Um it's worth noting yes this is old

1086
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319
button factory. we are not touching that

1087
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,319
property in any way, shape or form if we

1088
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,319
can help it because it creates a whole

1089
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:54,950
lot of historical challenges.

1090
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,839
And then moving up the hill, um 8th

1091
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,400
Street was a big consideration last last

1092
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,000
time I was here. Peggy, I think you were

1093
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480
asking a few questions on that. So, this

1094
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,760
does show where um we have left the

1095
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,880
dedicated turn lanes leading southbound

1096
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,079
at 8th and then also northbound at 9th.

1097
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:17,839
So, those turn lanes have been fully

1098
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,359
accommodated in there to make sure

1099
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:21,680
that's there. And we also understand,

1100
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,240
you know, 8th Street is a detour route

1101
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,280
when we have to close down at Fifth. And

1102
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,040
so there's been a lot of good discussion

1103
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,880
here with city staff lately about we had

1104
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,359
some kind of I would say bumpouts for

1105
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,520
the ADA crossings at these places that

1106
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839
we have removed those um because they

1107
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:39,440
didn't they didn't really accommodate

1108
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,839
the way that staff likes to clear snow

1109
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:43,920
and maintain that that through fair as

1110
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
well. So a lot of good discussion

1111
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,480
collaboration with staff. Anything else

1112
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,200
on this section?

1113
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,560
>> No, that's that's good there.

1114
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,400
>> Okay.

1115
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,160
You want to jump in on anything else on

1116
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,000
9th to 11th?

1117
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,680
>> Let's see. I think you covered the turn

1118
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,960
lane there.

1119
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,960
>> We covered 11th.

1120
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,119
>> I think this is more the same right

1121
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:03,920
through that section.

1122
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,720
>> Yeah.

1123
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,640
>> And then once you get north of 11th

1124
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,079
Street is [clears throat] where we go

1125
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,839
back to that birectional turn lane

1126
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,040
that's in the center of that and that

1127
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,839
full threelane section. You've got a lot

1128
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:15,680
more side streets that are, you know,

1129
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,440
oneoffs on one side or the other that

1130
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,280
make it a little bit more challenging.

1131
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,079
>> Yeah.

1132
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:23,920
And then here's our northern connection

1133
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,880
or northern tie-in point. So in theory,

1134
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,160
the middle section would have been built

1135
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,240
and then this would tie right into that.

1136
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,599
You'd have a continuous threelane

1137
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,309
section throughout here.

1138
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:38,560
All right. So north segment. So this is

1139
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,000
everything north of Clay Street. We

1140
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,359
talked about we already got a roundabout

1141
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,359
built through there. And then we're

1142
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,119
going to stage construction to continue

1143
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,839
all the way out to the bypass. Um,

1144
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:50,400
again, this is this is your highest

1145
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,560
volumes of traffic on the whole corridor

1146
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,800
are here. This is all of your regional

1147
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,920
connections, whether it's to Lake Park,

1148
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,319
back to the rest of, you know, that part

1149
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:02,079
portion of the city, the bypass, you

1150
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,160
name it. As well as we've got city park

1151
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,400
on the north end of this, right? So, um,

1152
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,680
we want to make sure that all those

1153
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,319
connections are are provided. So, this

1154
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,480
section does have on street parking.

1155
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Once you get above the hill, um we are

1156
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,560
maintaining that parking um as well as

1157
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,680
continuing with the trail and sidewalk.

1158
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,560
So, north of Lake Park is where we

1159
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,720
actually transition that trail from the

1160
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,920
east side to the west side. So, we'll

1161
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,440
show that as we get a little bit deeper

1162
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760
into the plans here. Again, that typical

1163
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,760
section um where you've got that center

1164
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,640
turn lane, two drive lanes, sidewalk,

1165
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,630
trail.

1166
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,040
And this is a section, yes, where we've

1167
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,560
got the on street parking there where

1168
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,079
you get rid of that center turn lane,

1169
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:49,760
but we're taking that same space up with

1170
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,440
the parking lane then.

1171
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,680
And then rule section on the far north

1172
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,960
end of that just like it is today,

1173
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,286
right? It's just two lanes of traffic.

1174
00:44:59,286 --> 00:45:00,079
[snorts]

1175
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,000
So, assuming that we've got Clay Street

1176
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,160
all reconstructed already, uh this is

1177
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,680
where we continue that three-lane

1178
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,680
section up the hill, um trail maintains

1179
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,560
there on that east side.

1180
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,119
We've got some tight area through here

1181
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,040
for accommodating um utilities and some

1182
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920
of the transmission main that U MPW has

1183
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,760
through here.

1184
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,000
And then that really came into play at

1185
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,599
Lake Park where we've had a lot of

1186
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,480
coordination with them recently about

1187
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,880
minimizing impact there. So, um, when we

1188
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,160
started this project, maybe you guys

1189
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,520
were part of some of these discussions.

1190
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,040
I think there was a desire that, hey,

1191
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,480
we're going to line up Lake Park and

1192
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,960
Hancock. I would love to, right? It'd be

1193
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
nice if those lined up, but there is a

1194
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,640
very tall transmission main pole right

1195
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,319
there.

1196
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:51,760
As of today, the costs don't necessarily

1197
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000
benefit us doing that of trying to ask

1198
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,040
MPW to accommodate that relocation. So

1199
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,880
that poll today is like right here. And

1200
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,800
so we've actually shifted this roadway a

1201
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,319
little bit south to make sure that we're

1202
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:06,800
not impacting that in any way and making

1203
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,400
sure that everything is kind of lining

1204
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,280
up. And then we can also get trail and

1205
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,119
all those things in there with guywires

1206
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,720
considered and make sure that we've got

1207
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,240
exactly the experience that we all want

1208
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,079
on a on a roadway. and and bike trail.

1209
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,240
So, this is that new configuration. I

1210
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,000
don't know that there's anything else

1211
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,880
specific here.

1212
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,319
>> We just lined it up 90 just like the

1213
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,680
other ones, more of a traditional

1214
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,880
intersection. So,

1215
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,520
>> right,

1216
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,680
>> it's safety benefits there.

1217
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,960
>> So, we have to transition the bike lane

1218
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,880
from one side of the road to the other

1219
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,839
because of just the space requirement. I

1220
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,119
mean, obviously, it'd be great if we

1221
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,280
could just keep that trail on one side

1222
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,119
of the road, but we have to transition

1223
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,720
one side to the other. The thought

1224
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,520
process that we had here is where are

1225
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,200
the connections that we're really trying

1226
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,920
to to get to. Right? So, the reason why

1227
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,760
we kept it on that east side all the way

1228
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
up to Lake Park and continued onto that

1229
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,440
north side of Lake Park is because

1230
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,800
that'll be that connection over to the

1231
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,359
green waist belt system uh or park trail

1232
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:06,160
system. Correct. So, there that's been

1233
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,400
thought through and planned, but then

1234
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,800
when you the the impetus for switching

1235
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,720
to the west side is we've got Oak Park

1236
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,480
on that west side of the corridor up

1237
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,440
there. Um, meanwhile, you've also got

1238
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,599
parking that's already on the east side.

1239
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,079
And so, it felt more appropriate to move

1240
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,280
that trail to the west side and keep

1241
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,960
that trail along with the park or the

1242
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,760
sidewalk with the parking there. That was the more appropriate response

1243
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,760
to it. So, I agree crossing traffic is never, you know, perfect right where

1244
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
we want that. But the driver for that

1245
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,839
was we've got Oak Park on the west side

1246
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:43,200
and that's really the big connection

1247
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:43,839
draw that we found.

1248
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:45,359
>> Going to have to cross the street to get

1249
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:46,400
>> you're going to have to cross it one way

1250
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,440
or the other. So,

1251
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,480
>> and anticipating lights then uh for that

1252
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,520
trail cross.

1253
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,920
>> So, this one has not does not have any

1254
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,119
dedicated um crossing accommodations

1255
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,040
right now. It it would certainly be a

1256
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,040
candidate for at least those flashing

1257
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480
beacons that are there. Um so, you know,

1258
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,200
those things all come at a cost. um you

1259
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,000
know those are easily a $15,000 option

1260
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,079
to add right at every single for each

1261
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,240
one of them right so you're you're

1262
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,800
adding costs quickly but again safety is

1263
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,640
paramount through all this so I could

1264
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,720
easily see that as a com as a comment

1265
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:21,280
that

1266
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,720
>> $19 million 15,000 is small percentage

1267
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,319
>> I agree

1268
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:27,280
>> Don oh sorry

1269
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,200
>> oh I'm sorry another question quick

1270
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,640
uh how are the folks who live around Oak

1271
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,839
Park going to get out if that is all

1272
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,359
closed.

1273
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,720
>> So the entirety of this north section of

1274
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,040
roadway would be staged construction

1275
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,200
that we are always maintaining full

1276
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,960
access in one way or the other.

1277
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,359
>> Okay.

1278
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:51,040
>> So we would not be closing down the

1279
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:51,680
roadway.

1280
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,240
>> Okay.

1281
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,880
>> So throughout any of these projects like

1282
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
this, it is always the residents and you

1283
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,599
know businesses and everything that we

1284
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,839
want to minimize that impact and provide

1285
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,400
accommodations throughout there. So, um

1286
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,079
I think we've done a really good job of

1287
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,079
laying that out on the staging plan for

1288
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,160
this already that all of those roadways

1289
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,920
would be done in a way that we can

1290
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,559
maintain access.

1291
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,559
>> Hey, Don, back to your point, the homes

1292
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,440
on that east side, they don't have much

1293
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,359
front yards. They don't have enough room

1294
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:22,800
really for a sidewalk and things like

1295
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,800
that. It's very narrow. So, even giving

1296
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
them parking, leaving that is is

1297
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:27,839
beneficial.

1298
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:28,480
>> Yep. Agreed.

1299
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,240
>> And we have plenty of room on Oak Park

1300
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:30,960
to

1301
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,040
>> Yeah. there there was a time where we we

1302
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,480
didn't know if we could fit that parking

1303
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,160
still in there, but we we made sure to

1304
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,760
maintain that and provide that back to

1305
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,280
those those residents that that parking

1306
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,040
is maintained and the sidewalk is

1307
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,400
accessible there. And if if it took, you

1308
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,839
know, taking some right away on that

1309
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:47,599
west side, we we would just to be able

1310
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,160
to fit everything that we wanted in.

1311
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359
>> Thank you.

1312
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,760
>> So that's

1313
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,160
here we're at Crossing Oak Park. So,

1314
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,400
we've transitioned away already from

1315
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,240
that three-lane section that ends kind

1316
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,640
of at Lake Park and then two lane with

1317
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,280
some on street parking north of there

1318
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,759
that continues to the north. And

1319
00:50:09,759 --> 00:50:12,480
[clears throat] then once you get

1320
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,599
past the park and Blaine Street, there's

1321
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,400
a little another half a block and I

1322
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,559
think was that Cleveland Street where it

1323
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,160
all goes away and you're back to your

1324
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,720
typical rule section. Um,

1325
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,400
and that's what continues to the north.

1326
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,960
So before I jump into aesthetics and

1327
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,800
things like that, any other questions,

1328
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,880
discussion?

1329
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,359
>> Any other questions, council?

1330
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:39,440
>> I just have a quick question. I mean, I

1331
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,359
understand why you selected the middle

1332
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,819
section as the first, but

1333
00:50:43,819 --> 00:50:46,240
[clears throat] why did you select the

1334
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,800
>> the south segment versus over the north?

1335
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,480
>> You know, I mean, we could go either way

1336
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,160
on this one. Frankly, I think the

1337
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,559
pavement condition already is a big

1338
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,240
consideration and the safety aspects

1339
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,000
that are already on that north side

1340
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
where we're really providing a bigger

1341
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,319
benefit for all those class those

1342
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:05,359
categories on that south end. Um so that

1343
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,559
was that was the driver for for that. Um

1344
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,960
any of them are opportunities to switch

1345
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,440
as we need to. Um but that's how we

1346
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,760
looked at it.

1347
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,839
So, aesthetics, as Taylor mentioned

1348
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,920
throughout here, there's and we can get

1349
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,440
photos or pictures of all this stuff

1350
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,599
over to you as well, but aesthetics for

1351
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:24,800
retaining walls. There's a number of

1352
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,720
retaining walls on the corridor already,

1353
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,400
right? There's all shapes and sizes, and

1354
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
there's a lot of different uh options

1355
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,839
when it comes to that. There's a lot of

1356
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:37,040
different costs. It's always my starting

1357
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,480
recommendation [snorts] that we start on

1358
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,559
what is more standardized, right? We

1359
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:42,319
have a set of standard designs that are

1360
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:43,920
out there that are used throughout the

1361
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,000
states that then a lot of times we can

1362
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,520
just improve the aesthetics on. Right?

1363
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,760
If you want to put a form liner or stain

1364
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,920
or any sort of color, those things are

1365
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,280
easily added to it. Um, so we've got a

1366
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,760
lot of sections where we might require

1367
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,359
anywhere from like a two foot to a

1368
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:01,040
three-ft tall wall. A lot of times we

1369
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,880
can accommodate the with the standard

1370
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,680
design that has just kind of a a wall

1371
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,640
that's just integral with that sidewalk.

1372
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,720
Um, and then there's opportunities to

1373
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,720
put form liner and facing on that if you

1374
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,240
want. Otherwise, that's just a standard

1375
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,079
concrete that's that's part of that

1376
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,720
sidewalk. You see this a lot of places.

1377
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,319
A lot of times we don't go anything

1378
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:23,381
higher than maybe three feet for this.

1379
00:52:23,381 --> 00:52:24,720
[snorts] Anything that we get higher

1380
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,400
than that, then we start looking at

1381
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,319
different types of block, right? So,

1382
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,200
there's a big block, there's the smaller

1383
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,359
block. Um, a lot of times I would define

1384
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:36,240
that as being like the small block is

1385
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,200
going to be eight inches high for each row of blocks and the bigger blocks

1386
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,079
are 16 to 24 in in height. So, they're

1387
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,839
kind of double that size.

1388
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:48,720
>> So, those are options. Um, I guess one

1389
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,240
section where we would have this is I

1390
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:52,880
guess

1391
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,880
>> for bid well I mean this would be a good

1392
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,160
option for bid well.

1393
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,559
>> Yeah.

1394
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,640
>> Along there. Um, with this you can put a

1395
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,079
railing on top because you would you

1396
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,559
would need to in a fill wall situation.

1397
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:03,040
>> Correct.

1398
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,079
>> Um, but yeah, there's also like Morgan

1399
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,000
said, there's there's various walls out

1400
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,920
there. Some of them look fairly new and

1401
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,240
good condition, there's an option to if

1402
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,436
we're widening in their area to take that and kind of rebuild it once

1403
00:53:16,436 --> 00:53:17,440
[clears throat] with what they have out

1404
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,720
there as well. Mhm.

1405
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,559
>> Um but I guess is there a council

1406
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,640
general um I don't know more of

1407
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,200
aesthetic lean a certain way on on

1408
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,920
aesthetic for walls or

1409
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,520
um open to

1410
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,520
>> and this is this is I would add this is

1411
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,839
also something that would probably be a

1412
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:40,400
really good piece to put out as a public opinion offering. Right. So, um,

1413
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,160
and maybe I'll jump to that slide really

1414
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,960
quick here, but from a schedule

1415
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,240
standpoint, I would say we are we are at

1416
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,319
a point where I think we're ready to go

1417
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,000
out to some public offerings for

1418
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,480
opinions on this and public comment. Um,

1419
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,000
it's typical that we get that through

1420
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,079
the preliminary design phase as well.

1421
00:53:58,079 --> 00:53:59,599
It's just we like to iron out a lot of

1422
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,240
the big challenges first and then take

1423
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,760
it out for here are the opportunities

1424
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,599
where we really want to encourage

1425
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,960
comment. Um it's been suggested that

1426
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,200
there's um there's some almost Friday

1427
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,960
events, there's farmers market events

1428
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,400
coming up that those are good

1429
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,839
opportunities where we get actual

1430
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,880
facetime with the the community members

1431
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,200
as well as then you'd offer an online uh

1432
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,800
version where they can come in and step

1433
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,559
through the project and provide comment

1434
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,480
throughout there. So, um I would say I

1435
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,000
know there's one here coming up in maybe

1436
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,839
a week or two on the 23rd I think of

1437
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,559
July. um that is probably a little too

1438
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,559
soon, but there is another one in August

1439
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,119
coming up as well as then you've got the

1440
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,559
rest of the season for the farmers

1441
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,599
market as well. Um so it would be my

1442
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,480
intent that the city move forward here

1443
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,079
in the coming months with some public

1444
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:49,680
opportunities for comments on the

1445
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,680
project. Aesthetics would certainly be

1446
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,960
one of them that we would want to

1447
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,160
consider. Um but we wanted to offer that

1448
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,920
opportunity for you guys first tonight

1449
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,040
on aesthetics. So,

1450
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,680
back towards that retaining wall stamp

1451
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,480
standpoint of just, you know, do you

1452
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,079
like big blocks? Do you like small

1453
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,880
blocks? You know, is there certain

1454
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,880
decorative opportunities that we should

1455
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,640
be taking? I mean, I've seen communities

1456
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,280
go as far as, hey, we want to honor

1457
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,440
soand so within the community. We want

1458
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,520
murals or we want opportunities like

1459
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,599
that, right? I mean, Musketine has done

1460
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,720
a great job of honoring its history. um

1461
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,240
within the center of the roundabouts is

1462
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:29,599
going to be another opportunity. What do

1463
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,280
we want to do at Clay Street? I didn't

1464
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,040
we didn't think to add that till right

1465
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,680
now. Um but those are opportunities

1466
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,359
where we can really put our stamp on it

1467
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,760
uh from a community aspect. So encourage

1468
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,760
that feedback. Um you know, if you guys

1469
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,839
think of things afterwards or guiding

1470
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:47,119
systems, get that get that back to us.

1471
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,119
So I'll step to the bridge quick. Um

1472
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,480
today it is security fence, chain link

1473
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,839
fence. Um it's a bridge that is um

1474
00:55:57,839 --> 00:55:59,839
getting near its useful life and will be

1475
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:03,760
replaced with the project. So um that's

1476
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,280
what's on the east side. Here's what's

1477
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,480
on the west side where you've got

1478
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520
galvanized railing that's there.

1479
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,200
We talked about the proposed bridge

1480
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
section again already, but here where we

1481
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,440
would have that that east side trail,

1482
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400
west sidewalk, the opportunities are for

1483
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,799
those barrier rails and ch and fencing

1484
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:24,480
on what we would like to do. So we could

1485
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640
go back simple with what is there today

1486
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,240
more or less. Um you can change the

1487
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,799
color of that simple galvanized simple

1488
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:36,400
or galvanized if you want. Um another

1489
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,680
option that uh I drive by all the time

1490
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,200
in the Quad Cities actually is up on

1491
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,280
Veterans Memorial. You cross just east

1492
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,319
of 74 and there's some aluminum panels

1493
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,280
that have been cut out there as as one,

1494
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,680
you know, option. the sky's is the limit

1495
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,040
when it comes to bridge railing. Um the

1496
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,079
cost is very very different depending on

1497
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,240
how far you go. Right? In this case,

1498
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,240
we're seeing the the experience is the

1499
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,079
roadway. The experience is the trails

1500
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:05,839
and just walking on it. We're not really

1501
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:07,760
seeing the structure. We're just seeing

1502
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,960
the railing and and hopefully crossing

1503
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,920
safely, right? So, um so this will be

1504
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,000
another area where we would encourage

1505
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,079
any sort of feedback that the the city

1506
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,559
has on that one. um because we want to

1507
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,200
make sure we incorporate that in there.

1508
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,280
>> It is helpful when you give us locations

1509
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,880
like that as we're driving in the quads

1510
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,559
or Iowa City and stuff and that we can

1511
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,720
look at it. I mean I look at you know

1512
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440
like Clinton has some pretty cool bridge

1513
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,160
>> they do

1514
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,000
>> designs but they also have a casino that

1515
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,440
helps pay for some of that.

1516
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,480
>> Correct. Correct.

1517
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,240
>> So but if you can give us like that you

1518
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,640
know that destination

1519
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,119
>> by all means. So the consideration that

1520
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,200
I have through here is again it's it's

1521
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,440
cost related right um

1522
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,880
>> here's another one that Taylor's

1523
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,160
actually been a part of of this

1524
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,160
structure right where these are still so

1525
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,880
in bridges we have to keep safety in

1526
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,839
mind every railing is crash tested and

1527
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:04,160
approved somewhere throughout the DOT on

1528
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,440
a national level anytime we stray beyond

1529
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,559
that then you have to do crash testing

1530
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,160
as part of design so we don't want to go

1531
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,079
that far right it's more of just what

1532
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,799
can we do to to make this as as pleasant

1533
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:19,040
and pretty as we want on the on the

1534
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,799
roadway. So, this one was, you know,

1535
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,640
some form liner that was put on those

1536
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,440
standard concrete barriers with then it

1537
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,960
looks like this was painted steel

1538
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,040
railing that was added to it. So,

1539
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,359
simple, right? But, um, really

1540
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:33,520
drastically changes it from just a

1541
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,760
typical utilitarian type. It's concrete.

1542
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,400
>> So,

1543
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,920
>> we'll have to look at the aesthetic

1544
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,440
throughout the town though, too.

1545
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,920
>> Exactly. Exactly. So, this is this is

1546
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,200
one where I would encourage, you know,

1547
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,720
we maybe we need to just have a

1548
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,559
dedicated session that talks just about

1549
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,240
aesthetics there and what we want to put

1550
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,760
in the center of the roundabout. You

1551
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,160
know, that's an opportunity for a statue

1552
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880
or whatever we would like. Um, you guys

1553
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,480
have a lot of experience putting that

1554
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,640
here uh successfully. So, I think those

1555
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,480
are those are three different areas for

1556
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,160
aesthetics. We want feedback.

1557
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,240
We talked about schedule. Um, from an

1558
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,839
overall standpoint, you know, I would

1559
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,920
love to see us get the preliminary D

1560
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,359
design really wrapped up throughout the summer into the fall. Um, I would

1561
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:21,359
say we have slowed some. There's been

1562
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,520
some good there have been some changes

1563
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,760
here within the city that have caused us

1564
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
to come back and revisit a few things as

1565
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,000
well as we've really expanded the

1566
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,000
coordination with MPNW and the utilities

1567
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,240
to make sure that's all accommodated. So

1568
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,559
there's some uh I guess slowing that we

1569
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,319
have had on the project, but we're

1570
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:39,920
trying to keep things moving forward at

1571
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,160
a good pace. As of right now, there's no

1572
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,680
construction funding, right? So it's a

1573
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,319
little bit of we don't have to go super

1574
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,480
fast on anything, but we can ramp up as

1575
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,040
needed. So I am targeting that we would

1576
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,119
be able to push that final design

1577
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,359
through the the later half of this year

1578
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:57,839
into early next year and then really

1579
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,079
push on the construction funding for

1580
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,640
this from a schedule standpoint.

1581
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,150
questions.

1582
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,160
» Mayor, I have two questions if I could.

1583
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,160
>> Yep.

1584
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,680
>> Just on the fir on the first section the

1585
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,079
on the isit approaching Bidwell on the

1586
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,000
inbound. I don't know if you had that

1587
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
displayed up earlier or not, but

1588
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,240
currently you've got two lanes of

1589
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,680
traffic there. Inbound approaching

1590
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,559
Bedwell. The right lane or outside lane

1591
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,480
is basically a constant green light for

1592
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,359
going right and the inside lane goes

1593
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:35,280
straight to towards Hines's entrance.

1594
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Your design currently is that just one

1595
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,359
lane.

1596
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,040
Are we still going to keep that? And I

1597
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,720
mean you say a three lane, but usually

1598
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,480
that middle lane's a turn lane. There's

1599
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,319
no turn there. Are you going to allow

1600
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:48,000
that middle lane to go straight like it

1601
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,160
is today?

1602
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,160
>> More in front of that parking lot. Is

1603
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,799
that the area there south of Bidwell?

1604
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:57,280
I think I'm really on the other side of

1605
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,319
that. You know, this is going outbound.

1606
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,720
I'm more concerned on the inbound side

1607
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,960
of Isaac. Approaching Bidwell.

1608
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,400
>> Approaching Bidwell.

1609
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,559
>> Okay. So, approaching Bidwell. Um, it

1610
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,280
would just be a single lane that is

1611
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,440
heading southbound

1612
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,920
there because what we're accommodating.

1613
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,960
>> No, that's that's on Bidwell approaching

1614
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,799
Isa. Still, now we're going to end up

1615
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,040
with basically Park Avenue. And I

1616
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,799
appreciate the time studies, but really

1617
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,880
the only time I consider is 7 to 8:00

1618
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,640
a.m. the noon hour and 4:30 to 6. And I

1619
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,559
think a time study on how traffic would

1620
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,559
flow. I would just shut that inside lane

1621
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,400
down and see how far we back it up

1622
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,440
because that's what we're going to be

1623
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,240
stuck with. We're really going to slow

1624
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,359
traffic down going right from Isaac

1625
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,920
turning on to Bidwell. If that is just

1626
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,680
one lane and sitting behind traffic

1627
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,079
trying to go straight,

1628
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:53,599
we're going to back cars all the way up

1629
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:54,640
to

1630
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,079
>> that roundabout. And I think to test

1631
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:57,839
that, I would just shut that inside lane

1632
01:01:57,839 --> 01:01:59,760
down for a day and see what happens.

1633
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,079
That's a considerate. That's that's a

1634
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,559
heartburn area for me on this project.

1635
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:06,079
The other heartburn area would be the

1636
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,559
same thing with going outbound on and

1637
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,960
turning on to clay. Currently today,

1638
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,400
there's two lanes heading outbound.

1639
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,079
Right lanes basically green light all

1640
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,319
the time. inside lane is going straight

1641
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:18,720
out to the bypass. We're now putting

1642
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,240
that to one lane.

1643
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,599
>> I think what you're saying there is uh

1644
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,359
introducing a right turn lane.

1645
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:28,079
>> I I and I appreciate wanting to keep

1646
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:29,599
lanes going the way they are because we

1647
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,599
do zigzag kind of back and forth and all

1648
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,160
that, but I don't think we can beat the

1649
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,520
flow of traffic that we have today.

1650
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,960
And it's we're going to slow things down.

1651
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,960
And not only slow, I just think back up

1652
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,319
because really Park Avenue at the lunch

1653
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:51,839
hour is just really not fun to travel

1654
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:54,480
on. And I think we're going to make this

1655
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,119
not fun to travel on either.

1656
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:57,760
>> I think I like

1657
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,520
>> So those are just my concerns to

1658
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,040
consider, you know, talking to the

1659
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,559
community. I think you're going to hear

1660
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,319
a lot about that activity. Uh but you

1661
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:07,920
know

1662
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,319
and I think we could do time studies by

1663
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:12,240
shutting lanes down to see how all of

1664
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,839
that looks and how far it backs up and

1665
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:16,640
is that really what we want to do. So

1666
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,039
>> yeah, we can certainly look uh at adding

1667
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:20,240
a right turn lane here. I think that's

1668
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,319
what you're saying heading westbound

1669
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:22,880
northbound on

1670
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,079
>> Bidwell.

1671
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,839
>> And I think we there potentially is room

1672
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:27,920
to do that. So let's look at that and

1673
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,480
see what kind of uh they call it storage

1674
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,079
length. How many you know cars that we

1675
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:33,599
could store in that protected right

1676
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,440
turn. Um, so that's that's a good

1677
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,400
comment. So we we'll uh circle back on

1678
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:38,720
that.

1679
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,799
>> And then your comment is more the north

1680
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:43,039
northbound is

1681
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,359
going down to just one lane north of

1682
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:46,720
Clay or the

1683
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,599
>> towards Clay

1684
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,240
>> the Is it to Clay?

1685
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,599
>> I mean you're Yeah, because you're

1686
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,799
inbound your inbound traffic on Isait to

1687
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:56,000
Clay. You're going to have a turn lane

1688
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,599
in the middle going left, which is fine.

1689
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:58,880
You're going to have the one lane going

1690
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,039
forward, which is fine. But now we're

1691
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,160
cutting we're cutting that

1692
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,480
other lane, the outbound lane to one

1693
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,599
lane. Uh, and so traffic is going to go

1694
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,400
right and straight on that.

1695
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,079
>> I'm not sure how that going to line up

1696
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:17,680
>> because that current straight lane is on

1697
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,200
the inside currently today, but now

1698
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,799
you're going to push it to the outside

1699
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,280
and then cars pulling up. We're always

1700
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,280
pulling way up there to see to the

1701
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,000
right. So, I just that's just a concern

1702
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,079
of mine of

1703
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,319
how that outbound traffic on Ice is

1704
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,640
going to be with the with the traffic on

1705
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,880
Clay or uh Lake Park Boulevard. I'm

1706
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,240
sorry. Lake Park Boulevard. My

1707
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,280
apologies.

1708
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,000
>> Now, I'm following

1709
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000
>> outbound at Lake Park Boulevard.

1710
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,680
>> Clay will be drastically different there

1711
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,839
just with the roundabout uh

1712
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:48,319
considerations there, right? Um but at

1713
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:48,880
Lake Park.

1714
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,640
>> Yeah, Lake Park.

1715
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,760
>> Yes. Okay. So, no, at at Lake Park and

1716
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,160
frankly Lake Park adjusting there, you

1717
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,319
do have some opportunities if you did

1718
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,559
want to put a dedicated right turn from

1719
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:03,839
northbound traffic from Isizit to Lake,

1720
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:05,039
right? Because that's where we're

1721
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:06,400
actually vacating part of where that

1722
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,000
roadway is today.

1723
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,799
>> Um, I know it gets a little bit tight in

1724
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:13,680
this corner with Ultimate Storage. Um,

1725
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,200
there's a lot of coordination there, but

1726
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,920
we can certainly look at what a what a a

1727
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,440
smaller right turn could be

1728
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,760
accommodated. probably our first step is

1729
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,280
just looking back at the traffic data

1730
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,599
that we have today and seeing what level

1731
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,440
of service is provided for that right

1732
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,359
turn movement if we do have some backups

1733
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:31,520
and storage. So those are areas where we

1734
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,799
can start with getting back with Steve

1735
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:34,960
and the rest of staff and then uh can

1736
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,280
come back with some report for you guys.

1737
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,760
>> Yeah. And I think to to Matt's point,

1738
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,920
especially during the if you will peak

1739
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,599
travel times for Musketine,

1740
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:43,920
>> yeah,

1741
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,760
>> you know, during the off times, yeah,

1742
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,200
the traffic flows fairly well, but

1743
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,720
during those peak times, it does get

1744
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:49,200
tight,

1745
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:49,599
>> right?

1746
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:51,839
>> And uh you know, the traffic studies

1747
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:53,440
overall may look good, but during those

1748
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,599
peak times is what we really need you to

1749
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:56,079
focus on.

1750
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:57,760
>> We're Midwest folks. We understand, you

1751
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,559
know, 15 second delay is forever around

1752
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,240
here. Um so we do we do understand that.

1753
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,079
Yeah. And I will say that all this

1754
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,000
design is is based off the AM and PM

1755
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,039
peaks. That's okay. Really focus on. So

1756
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:14,390
>> yeah.

1757
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,430
» Any other comments?

1758
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,559
» Council member Gordon.

1759
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:21,920
>> Well, sort of what's our next step?

1760
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,200
Sounds like we need to get the design

1761
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,960
wrapped up. We need to get some voice of

1762
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,359
the customer, the public initiatives

1763
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,280
going and that's like within a couple

1764
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,000
months here. And then we need to

1765
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,760
I mean submit a request to bystate for

1766
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,440
>> bystate will be certainly one of these

1767
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,880
right so I mean you

1768
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,200
>> this project was originally funded under

1769
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,839
raise right which is a federal program

1770
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:47,119
that's there

1771
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,920
>> there are there have been annual new

1772
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,319
program act you know requests that have

1773
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,160
been out there requests for funding on

1774
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,960
those with the change of administration

1775
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,880
and some of the priorities this project

1776
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,280
did not score as as well as it did

1777
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,200
during the design phase. And so there

1778
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,319
was a a consensus amongst the city staff

1779
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:10,000
and and the our design team as well. Um

1780
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,680
that at the time it was not recommended

1781
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,119
for the effort that goes into those

1782
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,920
grants because it's not it's not free to

1783
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,520
go after those grants either. There's a

1784
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,520
lot of work that goes into those that at

1785
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,880
that time we weren't going after the

1786
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,480
construction funding and that's what led

1787
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,680
>> recording stopped. that is what led to

1788
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,960
the um breaking up of the project into

1789
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,880
independent utilities so that we could

1790
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,000
go after those multiple pieces. So yes,

1791
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,079
>> keep moving with the design, get public

1792
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:37,680
comments, make sure that we're designing

1793
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,599
the project that everyone wants while

1794
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:43,200
keeping budget in mind, right? There's

1795
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,960
only so much that we could take out of

1796
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,720
this to go to a bare bones project,

1797
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,799
right? Versus we still are trying to

1798
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:51,359
meet the goals of the community.

1799
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:53,599
So finish up design while trying to find

1800
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,319
construction funding to prioritize this.

1801
01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:01,599
Um that my goal and my hope is that by I

1802
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,559
would say 2028 to 2029 is where we

1803
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:06,160
really have already obtained our first

1804
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,640
piece of grant dollars if we can. Um but

1805
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,480
any of those grants the most that you're

1806
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,799
going to have is an 8020 split, right?

1807
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,560
So the city still has to work through

1808
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,319
the budget considerations of how we're

1809
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,520
matching with the local piece. Um, and

1810
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,040
so I think there's a lot of good

1811
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,279
discussions to continue in that realm.

1812
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,359
>> Well, maybe the biggest one because we

1813
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,279
have a $2 million grant for design.

1814
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:30,319
>> Correct.

1815
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:31,920
>> Do we have a hard date to have this

1816
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,560
completed before we have to return the

1817
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,799
$2 million grant?

1818
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:39,440
>> There there is. So, your grant agreement

1819
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,440
stipulates that within a 10-year time

1820
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,759
frame from when this was started, which

1821
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:44,799
was

1822
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:45,359
>> 22

1823
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,920
>> late of 22, I believe.

1824
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,400
Um so by 2032 we need to be on the road

1825
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,759
to implementation right and so that is

1826
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:57,440
the goal is that we're moving through

1827
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,759
and my hope was that we already have at

1828
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:01,679
least one of these phases constructed by

1829
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:03,679
that time and moving on to the second

1830
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:05,279
>> because then that shows that we have

1831
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,000
movement and correct they might

1832
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:08,560
>> correct so

1833
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,839
>> I just that's something that's always

1834
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,759
been out there it's like is that part of

1835
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:13,679
it and it's we need to have it said out

1836
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:14,400
loud

1837
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,960
>> yes and and I would encourage that as

1838
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,640
Well, it is it is within your grant

1839
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,400
agreements that you are stipulated that

1840
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,159
this project cannot be a shelf ready

1841
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,799
project and just be kicked down the

1842
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:26,799
road. You have to move on this within

1843
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,279
that 10 period time 10-year time frame.

1844
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:30,799
>> So, does city staff push out the

1845
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:32,880
information to bystate or do you

1846
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:33,759
>> um how does that work?

1847
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:36,080
>> It can it can be a collaboration. Uh as

1848
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,480
I mentioned before, the grant agreement

1849
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,239
that is in place that's funding our our

1850
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,040
work today does not allow for us to work

1851
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,880
under that grant to help go after more

1852
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,880
money. Right? So I mean the technical

1853
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,480
pieces are there that are part of it

1854
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:49,679
whether it's the design the cost

1855
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:51,040
estimate all those things but we can't

1856
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,600
fill out grant applications for it. So

1857
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,280
that is something that we are prepared

1858
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,199
to certainly support the city in that

1859
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,360
aspect. These are grant applications

1860
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,120
that we work on all the time. We work

1861
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,840
with bystate all the time. Um so I would

1862
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,560
work with city staff to to do that. But

1863
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:07,679
there probably needs to be a

1864
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:10,880
consideration that we do have, you know,

1865
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,120
maybe an on call type basis of continued

1866
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,560
support so that we maintain our

1867
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,400
compliance with the grant and not try

1868
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,080
and do grant work under this design

1869
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:18,640
contract.

1870
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,400
>> So this has to be pushed in within a

1871
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,760
couple weeks basically.

1872
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,080
>> 30th.

1873
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,199
>> Yes.

1874
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:25,679
>> Okay.

1875
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:29,760
>> There is there's limitations. Uh yes.

1876
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,520
>> And there's no extensions, nothing like

1877
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,440
that. That is a hard date from bystate

1878
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,320
that by July 31st that they they want

1879
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,480
those applications received um so that

1880
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,400
they can start voting and ranking these

1881
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,840
projects.

1882
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,320
>> Thank you.

1883
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,320
>> I don't believe it's a heavy lift to get

1884
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,000
that proposal submitted to them.

1885
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,679
>> Any other questions, council?

1886
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:53,360
>> All right. Thank you.

1887
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:53,840
>> Thank you.

1888
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:54,880
all.

1889
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:00,229
>> Thank you.

1890
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,800
» All right. The next item is the public

1891
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,920
hearings on appeals and Kylie, I'll pass

1892
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,199
it on to you.

1893
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:11,910
>> Thank you.

1894
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,080
» Uh so I'm just going to give a brief

1895
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,480
explanation of the purpose of tonight's

1896
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,360
proceedings and um how we're going to go

1897
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,320
about this. Um, these hearings are being

1898
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,880
conducted pursuant to title 9, chapter 3

1899
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,239
of the Musketine City Code, following

1900
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,560
timely appeals of the city's notice in

1901
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,120
order to abate nuisances issued for the

1902
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,800
properties

1903
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,640
um listed on the agenda. Um, the purpose

1904
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,400
of this hearing is to provide the

1905
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,640
property owners with an opportunity to

1906
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,320
be heard regarding the city's

1907
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,920
determination that the property

1908
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,840
constitutes a nuisance under chapter 9.

1909
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,000
It is important to understand what this

1910
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,960
hearing is and what it is not.

1911
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,600
This is not a hearing regarding

1912
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,679
liability issues, insurance or

1913
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:02,080
compensation.

1914
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,159
Rather, the issue before council is

1915
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:05,840
whether based upon the evidence

1916
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,159
presented, the city's notice and order

1917
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,400
declaring the property a nuisance should

1918
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,360
be affirmed, modified, or reversed under

1919
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,320
the city's nuisance ordinance.

1920
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,000
The city issued the notice and order

1921
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,640
after receiving information indicating

1922
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,280
that the buildings present dangers to

1923
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,960
public health and safety due to

1924
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,360
structural conditions. The council's

1925
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,440
responsibility tonight is to consider

1926
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,520
all of the evidence presented by the

1927
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,719
city and any appellants before making

1928
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:36,800
its decision.

1929
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,760
So tonight we cannot make any decisions.

1930
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,000
Um, we will have evidentiary hearings

1931
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,679
and we will close those evidentiary

1932
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:46,560
hearings and we will vote and have

1933
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,120
decisions actually made at the next

1934
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,520
council meeting which I believe is next

1935
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,800
Tuesday,

1936
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:53,520
>> 21st.

1937
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,199
>> Yes, I believe that's correct. Um,

1938
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,920
so

1939
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,480
my thought is because

1940
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,640
um

1941
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,159
a lot of what the city is going to

1942
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:07,920
present applies to all of these

1943
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,840
properties. I think the city should

1944
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,080
present it its stance first and then

1945
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,000
each of the appellants can get up and

1946
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,480
give their their arguments or hearing or

1947
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,320
their evidence or whatnot, whatever

1948
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,920
they're going to say. Um,

1949
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,080
so I think the city should go first,

1950
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,236
then the city can rebut if it needs to

1951
01:13:26,236 --> 01:13:27,760
[clears throat] at any time, but this is

1952
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,480
basically a hearing um an evidentiary

1953
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,880
hearing at this time. Does anybody have

1954
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,040
any questions? Council members, any

1955
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,239
questions about how this is going to

1956
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:37,440
work?

1957
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,550
>> No.

1958
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,880
Then I would suggest the city um oh the

1959
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,239
other thing I wanted to say pardon me I

1960
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,480
forgot something else is that we have

1961
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,040
received numerous appeals from numerous

1962
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,159
property owners. Um and although these

1963
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:55,840
properties are located within the same

1964
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,520
area and some of the evidence is going

1965
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,560
to overlap um each appeal concerns a

1966
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,320
separate property and each needs to be

1967
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,640
considered individually. So each each

1968
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,080
property owner will get a chance to

1969
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,360
speak to today. And when we deliberate

1970
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,920
and vote, you're going to have to do it

1971
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,239
each proper property separately as well.

1972
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:15,360
>> And that will be next week.

1973
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,239
>> That will be next week.

1974
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:16,560
>> Okay.

1975
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,880
>> Today we'll we'll close evidence and

1976
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,600
then next week will be deliberation and

1977
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,120
voting. And in the meantime, you can't

1978
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,199
talk about it. You can't get any new

1979
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:29,040
evidence. It's limited to the evidence

1980
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,880
that's presented tonight. Okay.

1981
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,199
So, I would suggest that you have uh the

1982
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:39,596
city give its its evidence at this time.

1983
01:14:39,596 --> 01:14:42,310
[clears throat]

1984
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,239
» Nick Morgan from the building department

1985
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,080
here. Um we had a structural engineer

1986
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,000
working with us on the 200 block of East

1987
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,199
Second Street and they noted concerns

1988
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,040
after some building movement. They

1989
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,679
deemed the block structurally [snorts]

1990
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,960
unsafe to occupy. Um, after finding

1991
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,239
that, we had a second opinion, a second

1992
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,040
engineer come in and address those

1993
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,760
concerns. And they also found the block

1994
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,280
to be the north side of the 200 Eastn

1995
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,000
block to be structurally unsafe to

1996
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,640
occupy. Um, that's the quick overview of

1997
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,520
it.

1998
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,669
>> Any questions? Council.

1999
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:31,199
» Council member Osborne.

2000
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,239
>> What specifically is making the block

2001
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,719
unsafe?

2002
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:39,360
>> Uh, the

2003
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,040
structural engineer has

2004
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,440
found the foundations in the farthest

2005
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:51,520
three, the 2011, 203,

2006
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,239
and 205

2007
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,560
uh were of concern. And then because of

2008
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,080
that they are all structurally reliant

2009
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,600
on each other. Um because back then that

2010
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,760
type of construction they built those

2011
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,719
shared common walls and so when there is

2012
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,719
a concern with one they're leaning on

2013
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,440
each other and then there's a concern

2014
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,480
with the adjacent ones. They found

2015
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,760
there's enough concern with all of them.

2016
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,760
And what are structural engineers

2017
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,520
recommending it will take to make the

2018
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,440
building safe again, the block safe

2019
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,640
again?

2020
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,520
>> Uh, currently there is temporary shoring

2021
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:34,159
plans being made. uh we don't have the

2022
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,360
complete full set of that but the

2023
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,880
recommendation is to temporarily shore

2024
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,320
the buildings there on at 207 I believe

2025
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,920
uh and try and salvage the rest of the

2026
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,640
block from there so that it's stable for

2027
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,719
the already planned demolition of 2011

2028
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:02,000
and then there will further plans from

2029
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,239
there, but at this time temporary

2030
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,719
shoring is the current plan. It's still

2031
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:10,400
a little early on in the process.

2032
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,719
>> Is there anything that each since we're

2033
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:15,040
supposed to con, you know, first of all,

2034
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,320
we're only considering the evidence

2035
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,560
presented here, so I'm asking questions

2036
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,520
in that light. And two, since we

2037
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,920
eventually need to get this down to each

2038
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,440
address,

2039
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,920
is there anything recommended that at

2040
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,199
the address level that can be done that

2041
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,199
any particular building owner can do to

2042
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:37,760
make their their building safe?

2043
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,520
>> Currently, I don't have any

2044
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,920
recommendations from the engineer at

2045
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,880
this time. Uh it is all I have is the

2046
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,520
structure the temporary shoring for

2047
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,040
those higher priority the the already

2048
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,560
concerned buildings the 2011 205 and

2049
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,199
203.

2050
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,600
>> Okay. And maybe this is a little

2051
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,719
premature but what is the plan for

2052
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,640
specific things that need to happen at

2053
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,000
each address after the shoring? What

2054
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,760
getting that information to building

2055
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,280
owners? Uh yeah, we we don't have that

2056
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,840
level of detail yet. Um we are talking

2057
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,159
through that, but that we're awaiting on

2058
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,159
further information from the engineer.

2059
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,080
>> A plan is being developed for that.

2060
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,120
>> Yes. Yes,

2061
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,270
>> that's all I have.

2062
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,199
» All right. Any other questions before we

2063
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:30,814
proceed?

2064
01:18:30,814 --> 01:18:31,040
[clears throat]

2065
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,199
>> Thank you, Nick.

2066
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,520
All right.

2067
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:41,600
So the first appeal is from Musketine

2068
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,920
Downtown Investors related to an order

2069
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,960
to abate a nuisance property at 209 East

2070
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,280
2nd Street

2071
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:55,350
and they can now present.

2072
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,360
They're not. And just like our attorney

2073
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,280
said I have to they have three more

2074
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,719
buildings so we have to go go through

2075
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:03,280
the same thing.

2076
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,400
The next building is again by Musking

2077
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,719
Downtown Investors related to an order

2078
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,760
to abate a nuisance property at 211 East

2079
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,920
Second Street.

2080
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,640
And I know they're not here. And then

2081
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,480
the next one is also for Musketine

2082
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,480
Downtown Investors

2083
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:22,560
related to an order to abate a nuisance

2084
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,310
property at 221 East Second Street.

2085
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,560
And they're not here right now. And then

2086
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,400
we have another written appeal for

2087
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,480
Musking downtown investors, the last one

2088
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320
which is related to an order to abate a

2089
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,440
nuisance property at 223 East Second

2090
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,600
Street.

2091
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,560
And they are not here tonight. So next

2092
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,040
we have a written appeal from Matt

2093
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,159
McFaden related to an order to abate a

2094
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:53,120
nuisance property at 227 East 2nd

2095
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,640
Street.

2096
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,950
Is Matt here tonight?

2097
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,560
As she just stated, my name is Matt

2098
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,679
McFaden. I'm the owner of MTMM LLC,

2099
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:05,600
which owns the building at 227 East

2100
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,840
Second Street. And I'm going to try to

2101
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,679
keep this quick and not try I know it's

2102
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,199
not a debate or anything. I just got a

2103
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,600
few things I'd like to say. Um, starting

2104
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,520
out, if the demolition down at the end

2105
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,120
of the block was done correctly, I don't

2106
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,800
believe this condemnation of my building

2107
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,000
and the rest of the block would have

2108
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,840
even occurred. My building has been

2109
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,320
standing for 150 years and I believe it

2110
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,320
will continue to stand for many decades

2111
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,159
more if not forced to be demolished by

2112
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:30,239
the city which is obviously still one of

2113
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,640
your guys's options.

2114
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,719
Um I believe if you look at my building

2115
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:37,199
by itself it is not substandard or

2116
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,199
unsafe. I have my own walls on both

2117
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:40,400
sides of the building and more

2118
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,480
importantly my foundation while not

2119
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:45,040
perfect is still safely supports my

2120
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,040
structure although it does obviously

2121
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,960
need some minor maintenance done. And

2122
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,440
now for my kind of the appeal part. The

2123
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:52,960
generic letter that was posted on

2124
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,400
everyone's building at the beginning of

2125
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,239
this whole ordeal claims a structural

2126
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,719
engineer has examined the buildings and

2127
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:00,560
determine that one a crumbling

2128
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,719
foundation two horizontal foundation

2129
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,560
cracks three significant bowing of

2130
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,480
foundation walls, four a potential risk

2131
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,960
of collapse. The biggest issue is at the

2132
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,360
time of this posting ruling, my building

2133
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,880
hadn't even been inspected by a

2134
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,280
structural engineer. It also has none of

2135
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,840
those specific uh issues previously

2136
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,760
mentioned. While I won't argue and say

2137
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,600
my building foundation is perfect since

2138
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,320
it's literally 150 years old, it doesn't

2139
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,159
have any of those specific issues that

2140
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,320
were used to condemn the building. I

2141
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:29,760
sincerely believe you could tear down

2142
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,080
the buildings on both sides of me and my

2143
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,600
building would stand just fine on its

2144
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,760
own since I have my own walls on both

2145
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,040
sides and my own foundation.

2146
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,440
Uh, so it's not fair to use possible

2147
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,360
issues in other buildings down the block

2148
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,000
as an excuse to call mine unsafe. If it

2149
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,360
were still allowed, I would still be

2150
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,840
living inside of my apartment there,

2151
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,520
running my business out of the

2152
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,040
commercial first floor there, and I

2153
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,040
would feel completely safe sleeping at

2154
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,400
night and not worried about it

2155
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,560
collapsing. I just wanted on record that

2156
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,159
I disagree with the determination that

2157
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:01,920
my building has substandard conditions

2158
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,920
and is unsafe to occupy and deserves to

2159
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,920
be condemned with no actual structural

2160
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,320
issues observed just assumed with this

2161
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,440
building located at 227 Eastn Street.

2162
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:12,159
>> Thank you, Matt.

2163
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:16,550
>> No problem.

2164
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,960
» The next is a written appeal from

2165
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,199
Samantha Kaufman

2166
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:23,440
related to an order to abate a nuisance

2167
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:27,520
property at 229 East Second Street.

2168
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,800
Hi, Samantha.

2169
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,719
>> Hi, Samantha Kaufman here. Um,

2170
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:33,120
representing 229 East 2nd Street,

2171
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,360
appealing the evacuation order that was

2172
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,239
based on 629. My reasons are the

2173
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,560
following. On June 29th, the building

2174
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,120
was declared unsafe to occupy. That

2175
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,040
immediate decision displaced tenants,

2176
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,639
interrupted businesses, and caused

2177
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,719
significant financial harm to owners,

2178
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:50,719
tenants, and the businesses affected.

2179
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:53,199
Since that day, we have repeatedly

2180
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,120
requested engineering reports,

2181
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,880
inspection findings, structural

2182
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,800
evaluations, or any kind of

2183
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,600
documentation that formed the basis for

2184
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,080
declaring 229 East Second Street unsafe

2185
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,320
to occupy. Three and a half weeks later,

2186
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,600
we are still waiting. We have not

2187
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,920
received a single document of stating

2188
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,840
anything. Tonight, I'm asking the

2189
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,159
council to answer some simple questions.

2190
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,159
What engineering reports, structural

2191
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,480
evaluations, inspections, or any

2192
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,679
documented findings have existed on or

2193
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:24,320
before June 19th that justified this

2194
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,120
emergency evacuation? And two, if this

2195
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,760
decision was based on the condition of

2196
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,000
the affected buildings that were being

2197
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,600
demolished, where are the reports

2198
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,520
pertaining to the rest of the block?

2199
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,600
These are not unreasonable requests.

2200
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,440
When the government decides to exercise

2201
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,199
emergency authority to remove people

2202
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,960
from their homes, their businesses, and

2203
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,960
properties, the affected owners do

2204
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,120
deserve to know the factual basis for

2205
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,600
the decision. And then I Why, after

2206
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,280
three and a half weeks and repeated

2207
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,360
request are these reports still not

2208
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,679
being provided to any of us? The city's

2209
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,840
own July 9th press release states

2210
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,679
additional safety issues have been

2211
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:02,080
identified during inspections. So, if

2212
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,719
that's true, what are those issues? When

2213
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:06,800
were they identified? and why have those

2214
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,560
findings not been provided to all the

2215
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,639
affected owners? I'm asking for

2216
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:13,199
transparency, accountability, and if

2217
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,239
reports exist on, before, or after June

2218
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:18,239
19th that justified an emergency

2219
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,719
evacuation of 229 building, please

2220
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:22,800
release them to the owners. If these

2221
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,280
reports do not exist on June 19th

2222
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,280
before, after, or during, then the

2223
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,880
public just deserves to know that as

2224
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,000
well.

2225
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
The information used to justify one of

2226
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,760
the most extremes actions of the

2227
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,159
government can take is forcing people

2228
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:38,239
from their homes, their businesses

2229
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,159
should not remain unavailable to

2230
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,639
everyone a month later. I respectfully

2231
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,040
ask that any reports that have been

2232
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,199
compiled be released immediately to

2233
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,360
every affected property owning owner and

2234
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:50,880
this is the reason for my appeal. We

2235
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,880
have not received a single word as to

2236
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,440
the reason we've been deemed unsafe to

2237
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:59,990
occupy.

2238
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,960
Thank you, Samantha.

2239
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,840
And next is a written appeal from Terry

2240
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,040
Maul related to an order to abate a

2241
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,520
nuisance property at 219 East Second

2242
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,679
Street. Welcome, Terry.

2243
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:18,080
>> Hi. You guys know who I am. Uh I like I

2244
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,520
said before, I've lived in that building

2245
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,600
35 years

2246
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,840
and no one's inspected that building. So

2247
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:29,990
how can you say get out?

2248
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,760
Sam eloquently said what all of us feel.

2249
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,080
You know we want to see reports. We want

2250
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,199
to see the paperwork.

2251
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:44,629
Are we going to see it?

2252
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:46,480
So you guys are not going to answer any

2253
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:49,669
questions.

2254
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:53,760
This is an evidentiary hearing and they cannot answer questions. It's your

2255
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,639
time to give evidence, sir.

2256
01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:59,280
>> Will they ever answer questions?

2257
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,040
The public wants to know why you're

2258
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,679
doing this. Destroying people's lives.

2259
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:08,080
My life savings is in that building

2260
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,920
and you're destroying my life.

2261
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:20,149
You better come up with something.

2262
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,800
Thank you, Terry.

2263
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,800
Next is a written appeal from KN&R LLC,

2264
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,880
Kevin Phillips,

2265
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,199
related to an order to abate a nuisance

2266
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:34,639
property at 217 East Second Street.

2267
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:37,199
>> I won't be redundant. I just was

2268
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,920
curious. uh we have filed with an

2269
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,800
insurance company and we need documents

2270
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,760
to you know provide to them.

2271
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,239
>> Can you repeat that first part please?

2272
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,360
>> What what did you say about

2273
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,159
>> insurance?

2274
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:53,760
>> Okay. We just need documents

2275
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,719
for them and I won't be redundant

2276
01:26:56,719 --> 01:26:58,400
because they pretty much said everything

2277
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,320
I need to say, but it just uh

2278
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:06,950
need to get a plan.

2279
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,960
[clears throat]

2280
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:17,030
Thanks, Kevin.

2281
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,360
All right, we have a written appeal from

2282
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,840
James Zikerman related to an order to

2283
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,120
abate nuisance property 207 East 2nd

2284
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:30,229
Street. I don't see

2285
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:36,790
I do not see James here at all.

2286
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,310
right.

2287
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,719
So now that will be the close closing of

2288
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:45,440
the evidentiary hearing. Um we will the

2289
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,520
council should take it under advisement

2290
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,520
at the next council meeting and put all

2291
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,760
of these properties to a vote whether to

2292
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,000
modify, affirm or deny.

2293
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,760
>> Just have a question of procedure.

2294
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:58,560
>> Yes.

2295
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,800
>> Uh you said only the stuff that was

2296
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,880
presented here today counts.

2297
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,600
>> Yes.

2298
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,360
>> Does that include the written statements

2299
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,040
by folks that did not show up today?

2300
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,440
>> Sure. What's in our meeting? Okay. In

2301
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:12,239
their appeals.

2302
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:12,639
>> Yes.

2303
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:16,390
>> Okay.

2304
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,480
» All right. So, we'll be deliberating

2305
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:19,760
next week

2306
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:20,480
>> and voting yes

2307
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,480
>> and voting on Tuesday. Okay.

2308
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,639
>> All right. Council member Gordon, is

2309
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:27,440
there anything you like to share

2310
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:27,920
tonight?

2311
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,280
>> Nothing tonight. Thank you.

2312
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:30,880
>> Council member Osborne?

2313
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,480
>> Nothing tonight.

2314
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,199
>> Councilman Connard?

2315
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:37,280
>> Nothing tonight. Mayor, thank

2316
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,120
>> Councilman Lewis. Nothing tonight,

2317
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:39,520
mayor.

2318
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,960
>> Council member Lampy.

2319
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,159
>> Nothing tonight.

2320
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:43,600
>> Council member Brockert.

2321
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:44,719
>> Nothing tonight, your honor.

2322
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:47,360
>> Council member Gindrich.

2323
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,880
>> Cinda,

2324
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:49,679
city administrator.

2325
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:50,719
>> Yes, sir.

2326
01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:53,679
>> Well, I'd like to uh congratulate Rich

2327
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:55,440
Clims, Director Rich Clims, for his

2328
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,480
retirement over the past uh 30 years of

2329
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,000
experience here at the city of

2330
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,719
Musketine, and just wish him luck on his

2331
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,000
retirement. He's done a lot of great

2332
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,480
things for our community. So, thank you,

2333
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,040
Rich. And I will take a motion to

2334
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:09,600
adjurnn.

2335
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,080
>> So move, Gordon.