1 00:00:09,740 --> 00:00:22,320 Good afternoon, it is 438, and it's time to call to order the special floor board meeting from scheme accountants, and we'll start this off with a roll call, that's right. 2 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:23,380 By circle. 3 00:00:24,260 --> 00:00:24,360 Here. 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,620 Commissioner Sears. 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,500 Commissioner Hayes-Camp. 6 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:31,370 Excuse me. 7 00:00:31,810 --> 00:00:32,490 Commissioner Herman. 8 00:00:33,010 --> 00:00:33,190 Here. 9 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:35,190 Commissioner McGlagan. 10 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:35,890 Here. 11 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:37,110 Commissioner Paye. 12 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:37,490 Here. 13 00:00:37,770 --> 00:00:38,370 Chair Hatch. 14 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:38,950 Here. 15 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:47,770 Thank you. First, we'll have a motion for the approval of the agenda. 16 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:50,230 Support. 17 00:00:50,610 --> 00:00:54,190 Move Commission Page, supported by Vice Chair Cook. 18 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:56,090 I just have a quick question. 19 00:00:57,510 --> 00:01:00,930 The minutes that we're approving is that full board minutes for May 20th. 20 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:02,470 Okay. Thank you. 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Those in favor of the agenda. 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,860 Next up is the approval of the minutes for May 20, 2025. 23 00:01:21,260 --> 00:01:22,220 So moved. 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,700 Moved by Commissioner Wiggin and 25 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:29,760 supported by Vice-Chair Cook. 26 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:32,630 Questions and corrections? 27 00:01:34,430 --> 00:01:36,610 Seeing none, all the favor use the vote to stand high. 28 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:37,230 Aye. 29 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:38,450 All those opposed? 30 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:40,590 And that motion passes. 31 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:43,270 Next up is the approval of the minutes for May 20, 2025. 32 00:01:44,450 --> 00:01:47,170 public comment on the agenda item. 33 00:01:51,610 --> 00:02:00,100 We have one here, which was from Matt Coyer for First 34 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:01,630 Item. 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,820 Matt Coyer, Crockbeek Township, Iowa County. I wanted to speak about the agenda item specifically 36 00:02:10,820 --> 00:02:16,440 to speak to the administrator's contractual provisions that is being come. As publicly 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,140 reported four days ago in the news, our county administrator was named as the finalist 38 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:26,040 for my county's new administrator. This came as a shock and surprise to me as sure it did 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,480 to many others. When I was hired by the ministry in 2022 to lead the IT department, I was looking 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,960 for stability and position where I could lead positive change in technology and be supported 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,660 by my supervisor. I was looking for someone who exemplified the heart of a certain leader who 42 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:45,300 sought to serve others before serving themselves. I was looking for a leader who provided gentle 43 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:48,880 coaching and direction when needed but allowed me the freedom to run the department the way 44 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,400 I have been trained to for 30 years. 45 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,240 I was looking for someone who could help me understand 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,720 the other side's point of view 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,800 without berating or humiliating me with a gentle advice. 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,480 And I was looking for someone who would have my back 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,400 in times of crisis because as we all know, 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,560 things work very smoothly in IT. 51 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:08,320 I was looking for someone who kept their word 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,820 and followed through with their promises 53 00:03:09,820 --> 00:03:12,120 and I can tell you that I found all of those things 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:12,980 in Mark Eisenberg. 55 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:15,200 He's the reason I moved my family, 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,380 my daughter, 14 years old, and my wife, 57 00:03:17,380 --> 00:03:21,480 uprooting 30 years of family and friends to live in an area where we didn't even know 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,920 a single person. Over my long IT career, I can assure you that people like your county 59 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:31,220 administrator are rare. He has a rare gift of being able to bring both sides to the 60 00:03:31,220 --> 00:03:35,780 table, not just to talk, but to compromise. And that only happens when someone is deeply 61 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:41,320 trusted and he is, by the staff, by commissioners, by members of the public and across 62 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,300 the political spectrum. That kind of trust is hard to earn and even harder to 63 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:52,260 place. I recommend you do whatever is in your powers to retain our county administrator because 64 00:03:52,260 --> 00:03:56,260 losing this kind of leadership would be a serious setback not just for the sport but for every 65 00:03:56,260 --> 00:04:01,740 department and every resident in our community. I urge you to recognize what we have and to do 66 00:04:01,740 --> 00:04:07,320 what's necessary to keep him leading us forward. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? 67 00:04:10,580 --> 00:04:11,220 Anyone online? 68 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:30,600 I could not say what Matt Cade just said, he better, I just want some dough. 69 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:32,660 There you go. 70 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Thank you. 71 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,720 Thank you. Anyone else? 72 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,400 No one online. 73 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:46,910 I think I want to make some comments. 74 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:52,840 So we'll move to unfinished business. Any unfinished business? 75 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:56,310 Any new business? 76 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:57,710 Any new business coming forward? 77 00:05:01,210 --> 00:05:09,750 Next up is the new business item A, discussion regarding contractual provisions with the county administrator. 78 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:13,210 This is open for discussion. 79 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:18,150 We need a motion first. We're discussing with that one. 80 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:22,770 I like that motion. 81 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:29,030 Move by condition of page. 82 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:30,490 Move this. 83 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:31,430 Yes. 84 00:05:35,230 --> 00:05:36,230 What is the meeting then? 85 00:05:37,390 --> 00:05:37,990 Discussion. 86 00:05:37,990 --> 00:05:38,990 Okay. 87 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:45,420 I'll support the motion to discuss the contract. 88 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:57,240 There's been movement in supporting any, all those babies both say aye. Aye. All those opposed. 89 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:02,400 Any comments, discussion from anyone? 90 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:10,090 Commissioners, what are the changes to this contract? 91 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:35,880 I'll start. I'll just open that. Thank you to the public commenters. It's, it's been a week and I think as a commissioner, I think we're, I can speak for all of us that I've been very grateful for, for all the input and the hard work of everyone who has was work to get us to where we are now. 92 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:52,420 And we have met with Corporate Counsel and reviewed Mr. Eisenbar's current contract and come up with some terms that we hope will entice him to stay with us for another three years. 93 00:06:52,580 --> 00:07:05,020 So that's what Sharon Ash has worked with Corporate Counsel to prepare and distribute to all of us. 94 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:09,340 And do you want to talk about the changes or I can talk about the changes? 95 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:15,560 Well, I just wanted to add that this kind of came suddenly surprising for everyone. 96 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:24,460 So I know everyone was kind of up in the air. I can tell there was a lot of attention throughout the board and with some departments. 97 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,880 But I think that's just a testament to the leadership that we have coming from Mr. Eisenberg. 98 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:41,390 After realizing what some of the things you said, we realized that, you know, he is in 99 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:43,630 replacement. 100 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:48,910 So, talk with Michael Wajimeshi, we took care of what he wanted done. 101 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:57,490 So if you want to add what you were looking for from the board as your support. 102 00:07:59,230 --> 00:08:00,250 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 103 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:02,490 item 104 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:16,980 is really to answer Mr. Sear's question. It's item 4A and B, C, items that are spelling 105 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:20,440 out the context that we are changing to the contract. 106 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:29,400 And I'll just point out that this agreement starts him into a new three-year term with 107 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:41,290 Thus, effective Monday, that's the 16th, Monday the 16th under these new terms in the week. 108 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:45,890 He's in year two right now, his current three years right now. 109 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:54,910 So what we've tried to do is, this raises pay a little bit and raise 110 00:08:57,020 --> 00:08:59,560 is still deferred compensation. 111 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:00,180 Correct. 112 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:01,320 Is it deferred compensation? 113 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:02,420 Am I saying that right, Laura? 114 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,800 It's with a net compensation. 115 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:07,940 We'll come back to that. 116 00:09:08,380 --> 00:09:08,620 Yeah. 117 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:09,420 Okay. 118 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:11,020 Right. 119 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:13,580 To be, to be very fair. 120 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:15,180 I'm not the benefits expert in our firm, 121 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,320 but the benefits expert in our firm directed the language. 122 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:18,000 Okay. 123 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:21,580 So this was approved by court counsel. 124 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:24,320 Yeah. 125 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,940 When you say. 126 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:42,590 And our hopes with doing with voting this new contract in today is that this will convince 127 00:09:42,590 --> 00:09:48,050 Mr. Eisenbarff that we really value him and his work and his time here with the county 128 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:53,450 and obviously his incredible rapport with staff and the leadership team that he's developed 129 00:09:53,450 --> 00:10:00,950 So I hope that he will withdraw from the running for the Ottawa County Mystery Rule. 130 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:05,380 And that was part of the agreement. 131 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,460 You can reach the standards that he would like to have. 132 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,480 We 133 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:18,990 are excited and happy about this. 134 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:22,290 What did you just say about meeting the standards? 135 00:10:24,110 --> 00:10:25,670 Meeting his standards. 136 00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:30,870 So he will withdraw from the office. 137 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:32,050 All right. 138 00:10:33,130 --> 00:10:34,370 We do not want to lose him. 139 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:38,350 So we want to make sure that we have clear language that can make sure he stays. 140 00:10:39,130 --> 00:10:41,790 So we have no doubt that we can make this agreement. 141 00:10:41,950 --> 00:10:44,770 He would have read up a clear language that makes him scared. 142 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:50,590 If we can, if we can agree on this, this term with this contract agreement, 143 00:10:50,590 --> 00:10:52,870 then we would draw from that. 144 00:10:55,490 --> 00:11:01,150 Yes, mainly conversation and as you know, and let me 145 00:11:01,150 --> 00:11:01,750 give you a background. 146 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:09,950 Years ago, Mark, and this is crazy because this brings that 147 00:11:09,950 --> 00:11:13,810 something really, but we had administrative left and we had to do 148 00:11:13,810 --> 00:11:22,110 administrative search. And throughout that administrative search, we narrowed it 149 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:29,310 time and at that time we just had a lot of faith in his character and we just wanted to see 150 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:35,330 the strongest candidate for the student counting that would do it. At that time Mark agreed that he 151 00:11:35,330 --> 00:11:43,010 would give us 10 years. Now this was not in writing but he agreed to us commissions. That was 11 years 152 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:50,210 So, okay. So, his 10 years has been under. So, he, and he made sure to remind me of that. 153 00:11:50,630 --> 00:11:57,850 I was okay with that, but I was just glad he overly fulfilled his promise and believe me, 154 00:11:57,850 --> 00:12:04,010 he could have been gone before now. And I'm actually surprised that more people haven't 155 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:07,610 tried to come after him because I'll be honest, I think he's probably the strongest 156 00:12:07,610 --> 00:12:16,370 administrator in the state. It may be to some in the country. So I would watch Mark go from a 157 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:22,790 director with the wastewater to administrator and a lot of people were nervous and didn't have faith 158 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:27,910 then. But I watched him continue to grow and continue to become more of an expert every day. 159 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:33,310 And then after thinking about it over the weekend, I just realized there are some places 160 00:12:33,310 --> 00:12:36,590 is some people may not be able to feel for us 161 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:38,410 because we're in the middle of some big projects 162 00:12:38,950 --> 00:12:40,210 and a lot of things going on. 163 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:42,810 And we need to make sure we got the right expertise 164 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:45,930 in leaving us in those directions in the future. 165 00:12:46,770 --> 00:12:49,610 Plus, he, like Mr. Kelly, also made sure 166 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:53,070 his family was here and supported his family here 167 00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:55,030 as long as we continue to support him. 168 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:57,570 So I'm just glad to see it continue to build 169 00:12:58,050 --> 00:12:59,930 as a family and we don't want to lose. 170 00:13:02,140 --> 00:13:08,000 I think Mr. Hayskamp is online and has a comment, but she is having some trouble hearing on Zoom. 171 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:09,360 Can 172 00:13:16,010 --> 00:13:17,570 you guys hear me? 173 00:13:18,910 --> 00:13:19,130 Yes. 174 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:19,690 I 175 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:30,940 just want to say, first of all, I want to thank everybody involved in pulling this together in such short notice. 176 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:33,000 Good work team. 177 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,280 And for Mark, I just want to let you know we all appreciate you so much. 178 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:48,180 Again, you are just such a highly respected administrator, and we don't want to lose you. 179 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:54,320 So we appreciate you, and I appreciate the whole board. 180 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:54,960 Thank you. 181 00:13:58,110 --> 00:13:58,490 Thanks. 182 00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:59,190 When you shall. 183 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:01,550 Appreciate those comments. 184 00:14:01,890 --> 00:14:02,470 Anyone else? 185 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:03,370 I'm bored. 186 00:14:04,350 --> 00:14:05,550 Any other comments? 187 00:14:08,390 --> 00:14:12,950 I've heard of them since I've been fortunate enough to work with Kate, too. 188 00:14:18,130 --> 00:14:38,070 I'm not new to politics or working in, you know, administration and organizations and then putting this type of situation. My whole thing is, it's like, yeah, I don't want to never lose that smooth operation, but, you know, who makes everything else look like this, it just runs so easily. 189 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:50,910 And it does not, you know, um, and also ask for those person, those persons to search their heart, you know, to see where they want to be to take that into consideration as well and stuff. 190 00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:56,150 So I can try to see some of the dynamics that are played here. 191 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:59,370 And I never did get that from Mr. Eisenberg. 192 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:17,090 It seems as though he wants to be here. He wants to go to the manager's desk and ask Mr. Kelly says, as the board says, you know, it's just amazing that he's still here and nobody has come before now. 193 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:20,630 So, I've seen, I've said on committees, 194 00:15:20,990 --> 00:15:23,310 witnesses, and I see who's back there. 195 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:25,810 Not only are I the world talent administrators 196 00:15:25,810 --> 00:15:27,590 and directors have for him, 197 00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:30,730 but some of the other talents as well. 198 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:33,730 And I just appreciate you giving us the opportunity 199 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:35,870 to buy food to give. 200 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:36,990 Thank you. 201 00:15:37,390 --> 00:15:38,250 Thank you. 202 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:40,830 I just like to comment, 203 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:43,390 I come from the business community in Idaho, 204 00:15:43,690 --> 00:15:44,050 what was it? 205 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:45,890 Four years ago or four years ago, 206 00:15:45,890 --> 00:15:53,430 I came into county government, so I have no idea what government was all about, and Mark 207 00:15:53,430 --> 00:16:02,730 made it an easy transition for me trying to hold me in shape, so it was a government leader 208 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:04,670 instead of a business leader. 209 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:11,550 But I really appreciate his work with me and his patience with me, and he's an incredible 210 00:16:11,550 --> 00:16:11,930 leader. 211 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,780 Yes, I have a question about contract. 212 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,040 Yes, sir. 213 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:35,080 Number three, the Google show me a full force and effect for three years from June 25, 20, it was 20 early by one of both parties. 214 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:39,590 We're signing a new three year contract. 215 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:40,890 Correct. 216 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:47,110 That can be terminated within 120 days by either side. 217 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:56,330 So there's section five is termination and severance pay starting on the bottom of page four correct 120 days written notice given by other party. 218 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,280 But the termination is more than a page long for all the different provisions. 219 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Thank you. 220 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,220 So the only year he's fulfilled the contract is on 20 days until either side. 221 00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:20,980 Mr. 222 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,060 Eisenberg, do you want to comment? 223 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:37,020 I would say we'll call this after the vote. 224 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:37,880 All right. 225 00:17:43,910 --> 00:17:46,770 At this time, I guess we'll close this discussion. 226 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:53,450 At this time, I will make a motion to approve the Ms. Seaton County Administrator's employment 227 00:17:53,450 --> 00:17:58,250 agreement as presented, effective June 16, 2025, which is 228 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:01,620 approved and supported. 229 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,660 Any other discussion? 230 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:07,400 Seeing none, roll call. 231 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,700 Yes. 232 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,120 Commissioner Herman. 233 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:11,700 Yes. 234 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:14,610 Commissioner McWigan. 235 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:15,390 Yes. 236 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:17,070 Commissioner Page. 237 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:19,370 Commissioner Cook. 238 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:20,450 And Fatigues. 239 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:22,270 Commissioner Herman. 240 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:23,530 Yes. 241 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:25,270 Chair Nage. 242 00:18:26,170 --> 00:18:27,270 Absolutely yes. 243 00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:28,630 Six yes. 244 00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:31,110 That motion passes. 245 00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:32,210 Congratulations. 246 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:34,210 Mr. Eisenberg. 247 00:18:40,330 --> 00:18:41,110 Mr. Moskieton County. 248 00:18:41,370 --> 00:18:41,510 Yes. 249 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:44,010 And I feel sorry for I to walk through. 250 00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:44,230 Yes. 251 00:18:49,210 --> 00:18:54,350 I didn't have any written like Matt did, thank you Matt for that and I didn't take him to 252 00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:54,690 do that. 253 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:57,670 This 254 00:19:00,260 --> 00:19:05,960 is obviously a heartfelt thing, last week has been a lot of phone calls, a lot of people 255 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:12,500 reaching out to me and struggling to understand why and this decision came down to my wife 256 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:19,280 and I to talk about it and see what's best for us, our family at this time and working 257 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,420 with the board very closely for the staff who's in here, working with the board, talking 258 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:25,580 to them throughout the week. 259 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:32,340 So I came to parents that there is a lot we can still do and there's a lot that we 260 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:35,680 all want to do together still and be a team to make this happen. 261 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,680 To the commissioners, we have a lot of great staff there in the audience here 262 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,420 right now, a lot who are not, but they've been very supportive in the last week as well 263 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:52,000 and we're asking them to make the easy decisions they can hear and so they'll leave. 264 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,900 And so I really appreciate their support. 265 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,740 As someone said, how smoothly we run or how well we're running is the staff that makes 266 00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:01,180 this happen. 267 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,400 I get the privilege of sitting in the seat and helping through the process, but I really 268 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:14,940 But truly, it's the staff that makes this job enjoyable and fun, even during the windstorms 269 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:18,220 or IT issues and everything in between, right? 270 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:25,040 The staff does come together and make an amp and it's good to be a part of that, and I 271 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,680 appreciate that. 272 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:32,360 I appreciate the analysis of sport here, it means more than you know, and especially 273 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:40,080 Mr. Hazenkamp, who's on vacation, joined the sun to take the time out of the day to be 274 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,040 with us today and share her thoughts. I really appreciate that as well. So yes, I'll make 275 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,340 that phone call after this meeting's over. Thank you. 276 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,400 Thank you. 277 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:50,720 Thank you. 278 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Thank you. 279 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:57,360 Thank you. 280 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Thank you. 281 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,080 Thank you. 282 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Thank you. 283 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,060 Thank you. 284 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:09,240 Thank you.