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All right.

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I started the meeting 2 minutes late
yesterday and then ended it up 2 minutes

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late. So, we're not doing that again.
I call the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.

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and welcome everybody to this special
planning committee meeting.

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I can confirm that we have a quorum and
all of our council are in the chamber.

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And we have senior staff and and
planning staff are present. Public input

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on this application was
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was invited
at the

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normal
email address, which is planning at

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Muskoka Lakes. Today's meeting is being
live streamed and recorded on the

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Township of Muskoka Lakes website and
YouTube channel. By participating in

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this open public meeting today, you are
consenting to your image, voice, and

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comments being recorded and posted
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Uh we have had
supplementary agenda and

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for uh
the Bala Legion, the returning case of

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the Bala Legion. We have Nick Jensen
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on the interest of the Bala Legion and
Lisa Gorgon Green is speaking on behalf

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of the resort Village Minett.
Uh committee, do we have any members who

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have a uh
uh disclosure of pecuniary interest?

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There's got to be another word for that.
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» [laughter]
>> Right. So, we'll move on to the agenda

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now and we're going to start with our
three delegations. First one being Mr.

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Jaglowitz.
Then we will have Lisa Grogan Green and

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Mr. Jensen.
Good morning, Mr. Jaglowitz.

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I think you're familiar with our
protocol here, 5 minutes.

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» Yep.
>> Does that work?

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» And I see I've got a a big sign here
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» Yeah.
>> I'll I'll I'll follow the rules. Good

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morning. My name is Frank Jaglowitz, 14
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Um
I'm here this morning to speak to you

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about the Cleveland's House proposal,
which I'm sure you're all quite quite

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familiar with.
And I'd like to give a great thank you

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to staff
for the very detailed 58-page report,

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which I think might be a record that
which outlines many aspects of the

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development and the staff's position on
many of the issues.

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So, if I might might ask staff to
display the first page. They're doing it

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already. Great.
So, this is the first page of your

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report, which are which are the which
are the recommendations. And as you

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know, this was prepared by Emily
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who's the senior planner, was approved
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and acknowledged by David Clink, the
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So, I understand this would be the
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position of the township.
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you'll see in paragraph one
that recommends that the OPA submitted

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by the Goldhar Group
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to retain section C1.5.3.7
of OPA 56, which essentially prohibits

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the development of new habitable
buildings within the flood plain.

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In other words, staff is recommending
there be no new habitable buildings in

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the flood plain.
And this would essentially make the

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current proposal, in my view, not
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» I request putting the light on
for the people back there, on.

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Can people Can people hear? I apologize.
Do you want me to start over?

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No. No. No. Please go on. Okay.
Thanks, Paul.

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So, what I said was I I believe that I I
I now can hear the difference. Thank

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you.
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the first paragraph of the
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is to recommend no new habitable
buildings in the flood plain.

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And paragraph two then recommends
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to not permit any new habitable
buildings. Therefore, they're

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recommending approval of the proposal as
long as there's no habitable

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buildings in the flood plain.
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presents conditions to be added.
And I'll quote, "Should committee adopt

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the amendments permitting new
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there should be schedules to define
specific locations

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where buildings are located, setbacks,
and so on." So, in my view in this

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paragraph, staff are providing committee
an option

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to move this application forward under
certain conditions. And I seriously

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suggest that you consider this approach,
the approach in paragraph three,

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which is to allow buildings in the flood
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the location, setbacks, and so on. So,
it's not unlimited, but it's a it's a

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limited thing.
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deal in paragraph four with the zoning
bylaw, which would be required, and it

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once again recommends approval of it in
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subject to a number of conditions and
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submitted but prepare an implementing
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conditions at a future council meeting.
And that there be a holding provision

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put on the land subject
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So in my opinion
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is the committee should first deal with
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that fails and there's no sense dealing
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And if it but if it's if the proposal is
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consider the zoning bylaw
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So then let's turn now to the district.
I I ask you to go to page 49 of the

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staff report. And this contains the
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Um
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comment district
indicates district staff are unable to

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recommend approval of the applications
as they do not conform with the

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district's MOP municipal
Muskoka official plan or comply with the

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PPS. Mr. Jagger, you are coming up to 5
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But please continue.
I asked your indulgence. It's it's very

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brief.
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Basically because once again same reason
buildings in the floodway.

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Also paragraph two provides an option
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application and apply a holding symbol
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other words the district have also
provided that option. So in summary

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here's something to think about when the
vote is called. Considering the past

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history of this site Cleveland's
Cleveland's house is this

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proposal better than any other options
that are available for this site? I

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believe it is and strongly encourage you
support it. Also remember the district

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is the final decision-maker and a split
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give district counselors the opening to
turn it down for the reason that even

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the Township's not fully supportive.
So, if you are not fully in support of

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this application, I ask you reconsider
and move this forward to the district

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with a strong vote. Thank you
for your time. I'm happy to answer any

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questions.
>> Minnie, do we have any questions for Mr.

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Jaglowitz?
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» Thank you very much.
Our next delegate is Ms. Grogan-Green.

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Is she in the waiting room? If we could
If we could bring her in. Thank you.

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» Hello.
Uh thank you. Sorry about that. Uh

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» Good morning.
>> Good morning.

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» If you could start with your name and
address and you have 5 minutes.

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» Okay, thank you. Uh my name is Lisa
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My permanent residence is at 133 Muldrew
Lake Road, North York, I'm 4N3H4.

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Our family cottage on Campbell's Road
has made Minett a second home for a lot

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of us.
Over the years, I've been a frequent

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patron of Cleves, the Rock,
uh the local marinas, the Minett Mall,

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and the Rosso Hotel. I've watched Cleves
evolve since I was a child. From the

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addition of the golf course along
Juddhaven to the various expansions

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required to accommodate a growing resort
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In preparation for today, I reviewed the
Township's report, the Azimuth EIS and

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peer review, the wetland compensation
plans,

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and the SLR peer review.
I recognize the immense time,

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professional analysis, and financial
investment that have gone into these

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documents. I also want to acknowledge
the dedicated effort of various councils

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since 2018 to ensure this development
and others are responsible and

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successful.
There appears to be a consensus among

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the consultants that the proposed open
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are a net benefit.
By enhancing adjacent wetlands and

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improving connection points, the
developer is creating a landscape that

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is ecologically superior to what exists
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Improving water quality for Wallace Bay
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local floral flora and fauna.
There's consideration paid to the

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careful treatment of endangered or
threatened species.

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I'm here today to ask the planning
committee to adopt the proposed

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amendments to section C1.5.3.7.
Very specifically, I support permitting

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the five micro cabins suspended over the
proposed open water marsh.

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It's important to note that development
within these fringes is not a new

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concept. Many existing cabins, such as
the Bayview Suites cabins 260 to 62, 280

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to 82, currently set at a near zero
setback from the thicket swamp. If you

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look behind them today, as I did last
week, there's either standing water

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behind some or a small rivulet adjacent
to others which had directly into Lake

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Rossell. Similarly, the yoga studio at
the marina is already suspended over the

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water, as is a well-trafficked boardwalk
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The current proposal does not introduce
development into a pristine untouched

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landscape. Rather, it thoughtfully
replaces aging infrastructure with a

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design that respects the modern flood
plane.

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The applicant Mitch Goldhar has
consistently demonstrated a willingness

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to work with the Minett Steering
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He's already made significant
concessions to address community

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concerns.
In fact, he bought the resort in 2019 to

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save us from the density granted to
Fowler and the development plans of

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Peter Freed.
Important facts should be taken into

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consideration today.
Mitch has already demonstrated a

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commitment to responsible development by
reducing the overall program from

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approximately 4,000 units to just under
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He stated there's no current intention
to pursue any time share development. He

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has no current intention of severing and
selling portions of the land for forms

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of intensification.
Nor does he have a current intention of

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developing mid-rise condos on the
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The above are all things that are
permitted as of right and could be in

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front of this planning committee today.
Instead, we are discussing a boutique

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48-cabin village with an adjoining
amphitheater.

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The site has been designed by a
world-renowned architect with a

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thoughtful and intentional design
approach focused on craftsmanship,

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natural materials, and placemaking.
The application utilizes only 10% of the

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permitted density for the site. It
respects the height, servicing, and

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architectural principles established by
the steering committee

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while revitalizing an historic property
that has contributed to the character of

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Muskoka for decades.
The alternative to this proposal is

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uncertainty.
We have an opportunity to secure the

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long-term success of Cleves as a
world-class resort while enhancing its

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environmental condition.
Currently, a generation of young people

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has missed the opportunity to work at
Cleves and its restaurants, shops, and

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athletic facilities.
The success of the Rock Golf Course,

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Abby's Bake House, the Marina shops, and
the new addition of Pie

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give us a glimpse of the vibrancy that
awaits us in Minett.

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It is time to embrace a vision that
honors our history while investing in

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our future.
I urge the committee to say yes today

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and allow this project to move forward.
We've already lost yet another year.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Ms. Grogan Green.

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Committee, do we have any questions for
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All right. Thank you very much.
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» And you were right on at 5 minutes.

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All right. Our next uh delegate is Mr.
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» Uh Nick Jensen, uh 1003 Maple Avenue in
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Uh P0C 1A0.

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» Thank you very much. And and uh you have
5 minutes.

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» Cool. Uh and uh this comes to like
exactly 5 minutes, so sorry about that.

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Okay.
Uh my wife and I own Birch Park, a gift

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shop on the corner of Maple Avenue and
Highway 169 in Bala. Some might say I'm

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foolish to question 106 units of
potential customers just steps away.

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However, I would like to voice my
thoughts on the Legacy Manor in the most

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recent forms I've seen.
I've lived [snorts] in various downtown

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Toronto locations for 17 years, and I'm
no stranger to development. Frankly, I

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don't care what the building looks like,
how tall it is, or where the trees are

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planted. I only care if it functionally
makes sense in its location. What are

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the effects beyond its property lines? A
few numbers to consider. There are

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approximately 1,400 combined full-time
residents in Bala, Acton Island, most of

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Torrance, and surrounding as of 2021
according to Stats Canada. Bala proper

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certainly has less than under 1,000
full-time residents. Legion Manor will

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have 215 occupants, a number calculated
based on the proponents values of 1.8

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persons in a one-bedroom and three
persons in a two-bedroom. However, 81 of

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the 106 units have an office of 6 by 9
minimum size, which will realistically

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be used by some residents as a second or
third bedroom. The number of occupants

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will likely be significantly higher than
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going.
There are 121 dedicated on-site parking

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spots. How are 121 parking spots
sufficient for a bare minimum of 215

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people in a town with no public transit
system? Bala is 20 minutes from

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Gravenhurst and 35 minutes from
Bracebridge, where the submission where

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the greatest concentrations of employers
and services in South Muskoka are

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located.
Previous submissions assumed parking for

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only 56 vehicles. Given this figure has
more than doubled, can we expect revised

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parking and transportation briefs?
Public parking will be an issue,

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especially during the events at the
arena community center and new Legion.

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Already during tournaments or special
events, every public and private lot

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will often fill for most of the day.
Vehicles routinely line the street top

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to bottom and along River Street and
Victoria Street. And whether

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acknowledged or not, Legion Manor would
require some amount of public parking.

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Please note the traffic at Maple Avenue
and Highway 169 was measured in April

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during off-season. In the absence of
further data, estimates were made using

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Grey Street summer volumes. However,
Maple and Grey are not comparable. The

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high traffic destinations are on Maple
Avenue. I also suggest there is no

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normal traffic volume on Maple Avenue as
events do not happen on a regular

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schedule.

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Possible left turn lanes onto River
Street and Maple Avenue from Highway 169

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were considered, and it was found that
traffic 5 years beyond build-out does

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not warrant a left turn lane at either
intersection. However, the predicted

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weekday PM values for both intersections
come very close. So, what are the values

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10 years beyond build out? What are the
values given the parking has doubled

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since the April report? I am also
concerned about jamming up the

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intersection on Maple Avenue blocking
off vehicle access to our business. The

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proponents counts indicate this is not
an issue. However, this is already

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sometimes a problem during the summer
months. Even three or four cars waiting

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at the intersection blocks the parking
in front of our shop and dissuades

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customers. Small changes in traffic have
huge impacts for businesses.

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Those concerns aside, we should consider
Bala as a whole. Placing minimum 215

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people plus visitors into a town of less
than a thousand residents, a generous

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estimate, within a few short years will
have consequences. The township's

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population grew by 1.3% per year between
2011 and 2021. Even using my numbers,

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Legion Manor would increase Bala's
population by 21% in a few short years,

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realistically higher. That's nowhere
near reasonable organic growth in a

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semi-rural town with no public transit
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One important point, if the plan is
still to prioritize seniors in the units

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that are not affordable housing,
research from the Canadian Journal of

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Emergency Medicine states that people
65+ need the greatest share of paramedic

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transports at 44%. With our strained
emergency services and distance from

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hospitals, that may put these seniors at
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In the parking study, the proponents
used proxy sites from Lindsay, Orillia,

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and Barrie for comparison. In Lindsay,
population 22,000, and Orillia,

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population 33,000, it's interesting that
seven of the nine proxy sites selected

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contained fewer units than Legion Manor,
despite those towns having 20 to 30

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times the population and their own
municipal transit systems. It seems like

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Legion Manor is too large for the tiny
town of Bala. Crushing its size bit by

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bit is an indication that it just
doesn't belong here at this scale. Other

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Legion housing projects in Sault Ste.
Marie and Coburg are not comparable for

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reasons similar to Lindsay, Orillia, and
Barrie. I say respectfully to those who

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support this project in its current
form. This is an experiment that has the

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potential to permanently change the
character of the town. For better or

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worse, once it's done, it's done.
Thank you.

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» Thank you very much, Mr. Jensen, and you
are right. Um committee, do we have any

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questions for Mr. Jensen?
Mr. Jensen, we will take your comments

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to heart when we get to the application,
which may not be until sometime this

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afternoon, but thank you very much.

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You can you exactly probably if you've
got things to do

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watch on YouTube.
>> All right.

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» All right, committee, we are moving on
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uh the
next item of business, which is

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OPA 62
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and uh or the adjustment of OPA 62 with
the OP 64 and zoning bylaw amendment

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22/23.
And I will ask Ms. Crowder to come up

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and give us her report.

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» All right. Uh good morning, uh Chair
Bosma and members of committee.

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The applications before you today are
for consideration of amendment 64 to the

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Township of Muskoka Lakes official plan,
as well as zoning bylaw amendment

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application ZBA 22/23,
respecting updates to the resort village

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of Minett.
The subject lands are known municipally

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as 1048 and 1112 Juddhaven Road, and a
portion of the lands do not have a

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municipally assigned address.
The lands are most commonly referred to

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as the lands associated with the
Cleveland's House Resort within the

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resort village of Minett.
As committee may recall, reports on

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these applications were previously
brought forward to committee on November

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25th, 2025 and March 12th, 2026, which
was a joint public meeting held with the

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District of Muskoka.
Further, as the members of committee and

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the public may know, Minett has an
extensive planning history that is

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detailed in the previous staff reports
that are linked in the report before you

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today.
Next slide, please.

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The subject lands are currently
developed with cabins associated with

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Cleveland's House Resort, a marina,
commercial areas including a yoga

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studio, and have frontage on Lake
Rosseau.

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The site has an undulating topography,
beach areas, and is vegetated with

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mature trees amongst the developed
areas.

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The subject lands contain a wetland,
which is situated at the northern reach

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of Wallace Bay.
Muskoka Road 28, known as Juddhaven

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Road, is a Class B District Road and is
located to the west of the site, and a

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privately owned section of Juddhaven
Road bisects the lot east to west.

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This area The area around the site
contains tourism, residential,

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commercial, and recreational uses.
More specifically, fire station five, a

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golf course, and residential uses are
located to the north of the subject

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lands. The JW Marriott and residential
uses are located to the east of the

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subject lands.
Other ands Other lands owned by the

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applicant, residential uses as well as
an unrelated draft approved phased

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standard condominium containing 43
resort commercial accommodation units,

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are located to the south of the subject
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Next slide, please.
The applicant is proposing a resort

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development consisting of a wellness
center including three in indoor sport

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courts, a gym, a spa, a yoga studio,
exhibition rooms, eight retail spaces,

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restaurant food and beverage facilities,
and five office spaces, a marina, 17

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outdoor sport courts, a tennis pavilion,
a viewing tower, 48 rental cabins,

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private beaches, stormwater facilities,
and a water and wastewater treatment

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plant. Though staff would note that the
lands where the treatment plant is

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proposed is not currently included in
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Next slide, please.
The requests to amend OPA 56 are

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detailed in the staff report for today's
meeting, the previous staff reports, and

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are summarized as shown on the screen.
This is a substantial application for

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the township, and for the sake of time,
I'm going to focus my presentation on

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the key components that require careful
consideration by committee today.

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These items include, next slide, please.
Development within the flood plain,

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development within and adjacent to the
wetland, front yard setbacks and

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vegetative buffers, development
concurrent with the water and wastewater

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treatment plant, and the master
development agreement.

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Next slide, please.
As part of the proposal, accommodation

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units with accessory structures, a spa,
sport courts, an amphitheater, and

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buildings associated with the wellness
center are located in part or in whole

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within the flood plain of Lake Rosso.
Further, the proposal also seeks to

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introduce approximately 10,000 cubic
meters of fill into the identified flood

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plain.
The applicant has applied to amend the

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section of OPA 56, which states that new
habitable buildings are not permitted

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within the flood plain.
The provincial planning statement

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includes policy, which states that
development shall be directed away from

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areas of natural or human-made hazards
where there is an unacceptable risk to

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public health and safety, or of property
damage, and not creating new or

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aggravating existing hazards.
Staff have carefully considered section

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5 of the PPS in its entirety.
Ultimately, the PPS states that

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development and site alteration shall
not be permitted within a floodway

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regardless of whether the area of
inundation contains high points of land

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not subject to flooding.
Where a one-zone concept applies, such

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as Lake Rosso, the floodway is the
entire contiguous floodplain.

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The exception criteria included within
the PPS do not apply at to the situation

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at hand.
Staff have consulted our legal

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solicitor, other professional planners
in the area, and the District of

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Muskoka, all of whom share staff's
conclusion on this matter.

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Next slide, please.

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The provincial policy direction has been
carried forward into the Muskoka

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official plan and the Township's
official plan. Given this very clear

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policy direction, staff are unable to
support approval of development and site

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alteration within the floodplain.
Staff are concerned that approval of

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development within the floodplain would
exacerbate the increasing concerns

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associated with flooding in the
Township, and would set a precedent for

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applications to develop within the
floodplain moving forward.

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Site-specific approvals can cumulatively
have a significant impact, and as stated

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in the Township's official plan, the
cumulative impact of amendments on this

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and other lands will be considered to
have greater weight than a site-specific

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considerations.
For these reasons, it is staff's opinion

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that approving the amendment to permit
development within the floodplain does

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not represent good planning.
Committee's decision to either approve

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or prohibit development within the
floodplain will have significant impacts

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on the remainder of the proposal,
such as the requested development within

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and adjacent to the wetland, and the
requested reduced front yard setbacks

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and vegetative buffers, as all of these
requests would place development and

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site alteration within the floodplain.
Accordingly, it makes sense to deal with

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the matter of flooding first.
Next slide, please.

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The application also seeks to permit
development and site alteration within

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and adjacent to an identified wetland.
The proposal seeks to permit the

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development of resort commercial
accommodation uses, recreation uses,

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resort commercial uses, including sport
courts, and trails and boardwalks within

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the identified wetland feature.
As previously indicated, staff are

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unable to support development within the
flood plain, which encompasses the

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entirety of the wetland feature.
With that in mind, staff have carefully

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considered the request to develop within
and adjacent to the wetland based on the

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remaining applicable policies,
acknowledging that committee may

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recommend approval of development within
the flood plain.

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Section 4.1 of the provincial planning
statement speaks to natural heritage,

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stating that natural features and areas
shall be protected for the long term.

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Further, the PPS states that development
and site alteration shall not be

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permitted within significant wildlife
habitat, which has been identified

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within this wetland, unless it has been
demonstrated that there will be no

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negative impacts on the natural features
or their ecological functions.

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This policy is carried forward through
the Muskoka official plan and the

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Township's official plan.
As committee is aware, a peer review

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process has been ongoing involving an
environmental impact study and more

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recently a wetland compensation and net
environmental benefit and enhancement

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report. It was the request of the agent
applicant that the peer review process

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be brought to a close.
Accordingly, SLR, the consultant who

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conducted the peer review, provided a
final review of these documents. SLR

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concluded that they continue to raise
concerns with the extent of the proposed

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alteration of the existing natural swamp
communities.

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SLR recommends that a number of measures
be taken to ensure that the proposal

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results in a net enhancement.
If these recommendations are

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implemented, SLR states that the
proposal may be environmentally

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feasible, subject to consultation and
approval with federal and provincial

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agencies.
Accordingly, staff's recommendation that

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the proposal may be consistent with the
PPS, the MOP, and the TMLOP is

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contingent upon the implementation of
the recommendations put forward by SLR.

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Further, the compensation plan includes
utilization of ponds five, six, and

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seven for compensation purposes.
However, the submitted engineering

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documents speak to these ponds being
utilized for stormwater purposes.

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Clarification on which is correct is
required, and if used for stormwater,

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additional compensation will be needed
will need to be explored as stated by

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SLR.
The recommendations put forward by SLR

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include
first, maximize coverage of the western

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shallow inlet by shallow wetland
communities, meaning less than 2 m in

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depth, rather than open water. This will
support the aquatic plant establishment

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and enhance ecological function.
To demonstrate a net benefit,

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compensatory wetland creation should
exceed the 86,800,

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sorry, 618 square feet that is proposed
to be dredged.

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Second, a riparian restoration plan
should be implemented to ensure a strong

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riparian area is established.
Third, for compensatory critical fish

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habitat, meaning habitat that provides
spawning, rearing, and nursing

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functions, new critical fish habitat
should exceed the identified 88,264

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square feet currently providing spawning
function as identified by Azimuth.

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And fourth, restrict guest access to the
new wetland area to ensure disturbance

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to this area is minimized. To this end,
no motorized access should be allowed,

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and fishing activity in the new wetland
area needs to be strictly controlled

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during all times of the year.
Staff are aware that a request was sent

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to the members of committee from the
agent requesting that the resolution be

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amended to reflect the permission of an
open water marsh and dredging up to 3 m

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in depth.
Staff do not support this request based

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on SLR's peer review, which stresses the
importance of a shallow marsh approach

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rather than an open water approach, and
a maximum dredging depth of 2 m to

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support aquatic plant establishment.
Staff would also caution that approval

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of development within a wetland,
particularly if it does not result in a

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net improvement, would set a precedent
for development moving forward.

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Next slide, please.
As stated previously, staff are unable

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to support development and site
alteration within the floodplain.

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The request to permit a reduced front
yard setback would place buildings and

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structures within the floodplain.
Accordingly, if committee is not

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supportive of development within the
floodplain, these requests become moot.

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However, if committee is considering
approval of development and site

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alteration within the floodplain, staff
have conducted an an analysis on the

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basis of the remaining applicable
policies.

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In the photo shown on the screen, the
required 66-ft setback is shown hatched

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in pink, and the required at 50-ft
vegetative buffer is shown hatched in

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00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,200
green.
The submitted environmental reports have

434
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,160
considered the proposed setbacks of
development and include recommendations

435
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:47,480
to attempt to mitigate impacts of
deficient setbacks and buffers, namely

436
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,480
that a robust robust revegetation plan
be implemented.

437
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,880
Further, the District of Muskoka
official plan requires that vegetative

438
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:58,920
buffers be present 50 ft in depth for
75% of the subject land's shoreline,

439
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,520
which differs from the township's
official plan.

440
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,560
It is important to note that the
township's policy, which dictates the

441
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:10,320
extent of vegetative buffers being 50 ft
in depth and 100% of the shoreline, is

442
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:15,159
absent from OPA 56.
Accordingly, staff rely on the district

443
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:18,800
policy, which specifies 75%.
Staff have further considered existing

444
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:22,639
development within the required setbacks
and buffers, and legal non-complying

445
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,440
rights.
Staff would note that the proposed

446
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:29,919
amphitheater was not included in the
applicant's request for relief. However,

447
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,480
it would require such.
Next slide, please.

448
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:38,159
Next is development concurrent with
treatment plant construction, and the

449
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,960
applicant agent has requested that the
construction of the water and sewer

450
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,840
treatment plant be permitted to occur
concurrently with the overall site. The

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00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,639
District of Muskoka has recommended a
holding provision be included in the

452
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:54,200
zoning bylaw where provincial
environmental compliance approvals for

453
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:58,600
all water treatment, water distribution,
wastewater treatment, and wastewater

454
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,280
collection infrastructure be obtained
and agreements with the district be

455
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,760
entered into amongst other conditions
prior to its lifting.

456
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,920
While this would allow construction of
servicing infrastructure concurrently

457
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,240
with development
with multiple safeguards in place

458
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:17,600
committee should be aware of the
potential human health and environmental

459
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:21,400
risks in the case develop development is
finalized and services are not completed

460
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,160
or operational.
Although occupancy of units would be

461
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,480
prohibited, enforcement thereof can pose
challenges.

462
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,880
Township staff defer to the district for
consideration of water and sewer

463
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:36,360
services and their appropriate
build-out.

464
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:41,320
Next slide, please.
Per section C172 through to C177 of OPA

465
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,520
56
it is intended that development shall

466
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,400
occur in accordance with the provisions
of a master development agreement that

467
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:54,720
shall be supported to the satisfaction
of the Township and district.

468
00:35:51,120 --> 00:36:00,480
Section C172 of OPA 56 states in part
that approval of a master development

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00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:04,400
agreement by council shall only be
Sorry, shall only occur after all of the

470
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,600
requirements of section C17 have been
met and shall occur before any lands in

471
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,040
the Minett Resort Village are zoned to
implement this plan.

472
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,160
The master development agreement is
intended to include a development

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:21,200
phasing plan, a master heights plan, a
master servicing plan, a master parks

474
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:25,600
plan, an integrated transportation plan,
a traffic impact study, a financial

475
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:30,320
impact assessment, urban design and
architectural guidelines, a fire safety

476
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,760
plan or life safety plan,
and other matters as deemed appropriate

477
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,480
by the Township and the district as it
relates to the services it provides in

478
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,640
order to ensure identification and
integration of uses, facilities, and

479
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,080
infrastructure.
While an MDA

480
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,720
master development agreement has been
drafted and discussions with the

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00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,600
applicant are ongoing, it has not yet
been finalized. Therefore, staff

482
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,440
recommend that the lands be subject to a
hold until this item is completed to the

483
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,040
satisfaction of the Township and the
district.

484
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,800
As noted in the staff report, several
specific items should be addressed and

485
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,160
included in the MDA such as emergency
services comments,

486
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,120
a provision to restrict activities
within the wetland,

487
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,640
a provision wherein the applicant agent
commits to advancing plans for a

488
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:21,480
permanent staff facility to be submitted
for consideration at a further date, and

489
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,320
a provision wherein the owner agrees to
compensate in some capacity for the

490
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:31,520
deficiency of parking by providing
parking on their adjacent lands.

491
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,520
Next slide, please.

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00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,880
The staff have prepared a detailed
report for committee's consideration

493
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,520
today. Um staff have broken the
recommendations down into the official

494
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,520
plan amendment and the zoning bylaw
amendment. Staff um

495
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:52,120
well, Mr. Jaglowitz went through the
recommendation earlier, but I'll just

496
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:58,040
summarize briefly. Um that official plan
amendment OPA 64 be revised to retain

497
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,360
section C1537 which prohibits the
development of new habitable buildings

498
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,200
in the flood plain, and that any
affected proposed amendments be retained

499
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,600
or revised accordingly. And that the
revised OPA be adopted by the Township

500
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,520
and the record forwarded to the District
of Muskoka for approval.

501
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:18,280
And that should committee adopt proposed
amendments to section C1537 permitting

502
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:24,800
new development within the flood plain,
that a schedule to sections C1543,

503
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:28,480
1544, and 1545
be added, which demonstrates this is

504
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,040
specific location and extent where
buildings and structures are permitted

505
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,760
within the front yard setback, and where
the required 15-m

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00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,960
shoreline vegetation buffer be permitted
to be reduced.

507
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Staff also recommend that the zoning
bylaw amendment application be approved

508
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,160
in part, subject to approval of the
official plan amendment, approval of the

509
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,920
submitted amendment to the District of
Muskoka official plan, and subject to

510
00:38:52,760 --> 00:39:00,160
the following: that a draft zoning bylaw
submitted by the applicant not be

511
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:04,560
adopted, and instead be replaced with a
bylaw drafted by staff,

512
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,760
which would contain the recommendations
contained within the staff report before

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,000
you today.
That a holding provision be placed on

514
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,160
the subject lands for a developer's
group agreement,

515
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,960
a master development agreement,
issuance of provincial environmental

516
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,720
compliance approvals,
an agreement with the District of

517
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Muskoka respecting the water and
wastewater treatment plant,

518
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,080
the submission of wetland compensation
and net benefit and environment

519
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,640
enhancement report response memo to
address the comments of the peer review

520
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,560
prepared by SLR
to the satisfaction of the Township and

521
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,040
the District.
That the subject lands be required to

522
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,520
obtain site plan approval, and that a
satisfactory site plan agreement is

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00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:48,760
entered to into and registered on title
along with securities

524
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:54,400
for matters limit not limited, but
including um the EIS and peer review

525
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,320
responses and recommendations contained
therein.

526
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,800
And the submission of an updated traffic
impact brief or stamped letter from

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00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,560
professional engineer, which confirms
that the proposed 0-m setback from

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00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Juddhaven Road will not present any
operational or functional concerns from

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00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:14,600
a transportation perspective, and
confirms that the existing right-of-way

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00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:18,280
along Juddhaven Road is 26 m in width,
consistent with the requirements of the

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00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,120
District of Muskoka official plan. I've
no further comments, but I'm happy to

532
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,920
answer any questions from committee.
Thank you.

533
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,760
» Uh thank you very much, Ms. Crowder.
Ms. Bustard.

534
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,880
» The sign?
Thank you very much.

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00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,120
» Ms. Bustard, um
there was no time limit on you today.

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00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,360
» Well, I will still try to be brief, but
I appreciate that.

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00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,400
» No.
>> Uh thank you very much, and thank you to

538
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Emily for that very thorough
presentation.

539
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Um
uh Paula Bustard with Cleveland House

540
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Resort, and I thank you for your
indulgence in hearing from me again. Um

541
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:55,920
and we're really excited to be here
today, and uh hopefully uh bring the

542
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,160
zoning in the OP portion uh to
conclusion. Uh presentation, if you

543
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,960
don't mind, just going to the next
slide. I will try to keep my comments

544
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,320
brief, but uh I am here obviously to
answer any questions that you may have.

545
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,720
I have with me two of my colleagues,
including Andrew Seymour, who heads up

546
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,520
our construction team, and who will be
overseeing construction of this should

547
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:17,280
it be approved. Uh we also have online
Aaz Smith, uh from our environmental

548
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:19,560
engineers are online and able to answer
any questions.

549
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Um
I will not repeat what I have presented

550
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,480
to you on numerous occasions, other than
to say that uh the vision that we

551
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:31,040
brought before you is something that we
are fully committed to, but it is

552
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:35,280
contingent on the plan as proposed being
approved. Uh some of the modifications

553
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:39,000
that would be necessitated by Sazer uh
recommendations just make this unviable,

554
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:45,320
and uh something that we could not
proceed with. Next slide, please.

555
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:49,280
Uh phase one, as you know, encompasses
what is predominantly the Cleveland

556
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,880
House Resort as it stands today, uh
including some of the cabins, the old

557
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,280
tennis, and the old golf course. As you
can see from this aerial, this land, as

558
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,640
has uh been stated by previous
deputants, is not pristine. It is land

559
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:05,480
that has been modified and altered many,
many times in many different ways over

560
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:10,600
the last 100 years. Cleveland House has
a long, rich history going back 150

561
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:15,760
years. This site has been altered by man
and modified many times. What we are

562
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:19,480
proposing to do today is to clean it up,
to modify it, to restore it, and bring

563
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:26,000
it back to life in a way that we think
is viable and something that will make

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00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,000
all of us proud in Muskoka. Next slide.

565
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:33,720
Uh just some more imaging of obviously
the site which many of you are familiar

566
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,720
with. Next slide, please.

567
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:43,160
Uh this is the marina. Next slide.
This is our overall master plan. Uh what

568
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,640
is here before you today is phase one.
Uh even with the totality of the plan

569
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,800
that we have proposed, it is quite
modest in comparison to the density that

570
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:54,880
was approved um through the OPA that we
settled with the town and the district

571
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,360
and the steering committee. Uh but phase
one is what we're here to discuss today,

572
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,840
so I'd like to get in a little bit more
detail. Next slide, please.

573
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,280
Uh and that obviously is phase one. Uh
the total square footage that we're

574
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,600
proposing is just under 200,000 square
feet, 199,000.

575
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,840
There's 48 cabins, a wellness center,
tennis facility, uh retail uses,

576
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,280
amphitheater,
uh and a marina. Next slide.

577
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Uh just looking at phase one in a little
bit more detail and what I'd like to

578
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:33,800
focus on now is the flood plain and the
I guess more contentious uses that have

579
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:36,880
been identified by staff. Next slide.
Uh this is just an aerial view. Before I

580
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,160
go to the next slide, I just want to
explain uh one last time why it is so

581
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:46,440
important to us that the wetlands be
restored. As it is right now, it is a

582
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:50,120
very very dense thicket swamp as has
been obviously discussed numerous times

583
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,680
before you.
Our hope and desire here is to create a

584
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,280
place that the traveling public and the
community adore. That people want to be

585
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,640
there, that there's great porosity,
there's great pedestrian access, that it

586
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:06,680
is somewhere that people can take their
boat and go do shopping, have dinner, go

587
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,280
for a walk on the trails, explore the
site. Someone rents a cabin with their

588
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,960
family, the kids are playing, they go to
the tennis academy, they go and play the

589
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:18,120
wellness center. We want there to be a
lot of flow, we want there to be a lot

590
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,960
of beauty. We also want access to
nature, and part of that is providing

591
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,720
access to these wetlands. I need to say
it one more time, we are not trying to

592
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:31,000
take away any wetlands. We want to
modify the wetlands from a dense thicket

593
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:35,320
swamp to an open water marsh. We want
there to be life, and aquatic life, and

594
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,920
habitat, and environment sustainability,
but we want it to be done in such a way

595
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:43,440
that it's accessible to people. I've
said this before, but when you walk

596
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:47,120
about 80% of that wetland right now, you
can't actually get down to the waterline

597
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:51,360
unless you are crawling through the
dense thicket. Your legs would be cut

598
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:55,400
up, the ground is unstable, there there
is such thick muck in there that if

599
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,920
anyone fell in, I really do genuinely
believe it would be a dangerous

600
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,760
condition. That is not conducive to
renting out to families and to

601
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,440
facilitating an environment that people
want to be.

602
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Uh so what we are proposing is to
enhance, not to destroy, and I think

603
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,960
that's a very, very important
distinction. Next slide, please.

604
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Uh what I just want to show you right
now quickly, which I haven't shown you

605
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,880
previously, is a slide that before you
right now every that is the existing

606
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:25,440
aerial. That is Cleveland's house that
has existed for 100 years. And what you

607
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,680
see there, everything in yellow, is in
the flood plain.

608
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:34,000
So, that is over
30,000 square feet of built form that

609
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:37,160
exists today in the flood plain.
Uh next slide, please.

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00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,560
So, what is on the right now is our
proposed phase one. Everything in orange

611
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,720
is what we're proposing to replace it
with. It's almost identical, but in

612
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:52,440
actual fact, it's less square footage.
The proposed GFA in the flood plain is

613
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:56,840
around 18,000 square feet. We are
building less than what exists today.

614
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,560
Furthermore, we are proposing to build
everything above the static flood

615
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:05,240
elevation. One thing that was just said
in staff's presentation is that when you

616
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:08,400
look at the PPS, it the intent of it is
to life safety and making sure that

617
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,920
you're not creating dangerous
situations. And one of the disagreements

618
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,200
that we have and I I appreciate that
there's professional disagreements on

619
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,600
some interpretations of policies. I
agree that there's some singular

620
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:23,920
policies in the PPS when read in
isolation, absolutely indicate that you

621
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,360
can't do what we're proposing. But the
intent of the PPS is to read in its

622
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,440
entirety and look at the intent of the
policies and look at the totality of the

623
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:35,600
policies. We've provided legal opinions
that when read in totality, that there

624
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,760
absolutely is policy justification for
this. Nonetheless, the decision is for

625
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,320
council and council will have the
ability to make that decision

626
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:46,880
themselves. But we believe that the
design is environmentally sound. We

627
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:51,200
believe the design has obviously a lot
of merits to it. And on top of that,

628
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,480
there is absolutely no life or safety
impact. Every single building will be

629
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:59,080
above the static flood elevation, either
through the grading of the site or

630
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,560
through the cabins are stilted. The
access and egress to all of these

631
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:07,200
buildings are also outside of the static
flood elevation. There is absolutely no

632
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:09,280
life and safety issue here.
Um

633
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,840
so I just want us to look at this one
more time in terms of what we are

634
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,680
proposing versus what exists today. This
is not a new condition. And I spoke at

635
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:20,680
length about the wetland and why we want
to clean it up and we want to remove

636
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:25,760
obviously a lot of the
thicket that is there now. Next slide.

637
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:30,120
We've talked at length about the various
studies that's been done. Asmith has

638
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:34,000
been the consultant on this site
for almost 20 years. We hired them

639
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,280
and they have a long long history, but
for us they started in 2018 and these

640
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:42,480
are all the different studies they've
done. Uh in my letter to you, although I

641
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,640
highly respect the the peer review that
was done by SLR, we do disagree with

642
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:51,200
some of their analysis and some of their
findings. I detailed it in my letter.

643
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:55,840
I'm happy to go through it. We believe
the largest one is the fish habitat

644
00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:01,520
8,000 cubic meters has been overstated.
That was uh the entire area of the

645
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:05,640
thicket, but as as per MNR, only 1,500
has been identified as a fish habitat,

646
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,520
although there is potential for more.
So, the 8,000 per replacement we think

647
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,360
is overstated. That being said, this
process is not over, and as as uh staff

648
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,240
have presented to you, if this is
approved, we're going to be going

649
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,040
through detailed design, and there'll be
a litany of agreements facilitating the

650
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,320
redevelopment of these lands, and the
consultants continue to work through

651
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,720
those design matters. There's a few
other items that I stipulated in there

652
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:31,080
that we think were um our consultant's
report was not properly interpreted by

653
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,920
the peer reviewer, but nonetheless, I'm
not here to debate that other than to

654
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,960
say that when we get into detailed
design, they will be in the room, and

655
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,920
we'll work through all those matters
collaboratively.

656
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,720
Next slide.
Again, just showing you what the

657
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:48,120
existing condition is and what we are
trying to obviously uh

658
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,920
improve upon. Uh I just want to touch
very briefly on the depth, cuz I know

659
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:56,240
that is a big issue.
For the most part, we believe through

660
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:00,800
our design we will be adhering roughly
to the 2 m, but our consultants have

661
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:04,520
consistently said, and we did respond to
the SLR peer review that came out, uh

662
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,240
which has not been identified in the
staff report, but we did respond uh in

663
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,800
June to that.
There are a couple areas where it will

664
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:16,160
be necessary to go up to 3 m. For us to
achieve what we're trying to do here and

665
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,200
to make sure that the overall vision is
achieved, there's a couple areas that

666
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:25,560
need to be a little bit deeper up to 3
m. Me asking for uh your endorsement to

667
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:29,040
go up to 3 m is not us saying that the
entirety of the thing is going to be

668
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:32,040
dredged to 3 m, but if it's a hard fast
2 m, we are concerned that we're not

669
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:35,680
going to be able to achieve this uh
vision. The restoration of these

670
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:40,480
wetlands alone are going to be in the
range of $3 million. That's a huge

671
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,760
investment uh in terms of dollars and
and activities. We don't want to do it

672
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,560
if we're it's not going to obviously uh
do it properly. If it's not going to

673
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:52,120
achieve the vision that we have, and
that's why I ask for your consideration

674
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:55,840
to stipulate that there will be portions
open water up to 3 m. Again, that's not

675
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,120
a blank check that we're just going to
do everything to 3 m. We do believe the

676
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,280
general range will be two, but it's
important that we have the ability

677
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,680
between two and three. Next slide,
please.

678
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,920
Uh next slide. And then just showing the
vision of what we're trying to achieve

679
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:13,560
in terms of the open water marsh with
the cabins on stilts. Uh this is from

680
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,600
the pedestrian bridge as you enter the
village. Next slide.

681
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,120
And this would be the view from the
village looking across the wetland to

682
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,720
the cabins.
Next slide.

683
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,120
Uh this is our restoration plan. So, the
last thing I'll say about the wetlands

684
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:34,040
uh is that there is obviously a lot of
compensatory measures that we have put

685
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:38,480
forward. Restoration, rehabilitation of
habitat, replacement, enhancements, all

686
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:42,760
of those are stipulated in our net
benefit report, and we are uh fully

687
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,640
committed to that. I know staff
indicated that the ponds that are

688
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,000
currently attached to the lagoons should
not be considered. Ultimately, it's a

689
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,600
multi-stage development for the
wastewater facility, so those will be

690
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,760
decommissioned at some point. Uh and we
do believe it's still appropriate to

691
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,720
consider them for compensation, but that
is a matter that can be detailed through

692
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,480
our agreements with staff, and there can
be further discussion of whether that is

693
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,840
appropriate.
I don't think it has to be settled

694
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,840
today. Next slide.

695
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:13,240
Uh and these are obviously the further
uh wetland restoration matters, not just

696
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,400
among the pond. There's naturalization
of the channel. Uh there's

697
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:20,120
naturalization of other components and
replantings on the other side of Jed

698
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,840
Haven that will be occurring. I just
want to very uh briefly touch upon the

699
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,160
commentary too about the timing of
development. The reason that we have

700
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:30,960
asked staff both at the town and the
district to allow development to happen

701
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:34,840
to concurrently is just the the
construction of the wastewater facility

702
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:39,160
and the servicing associated with it
will be significant. Uh if that was to

703
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,720
happen and all of the commissioning had
to happen before any building permits

704
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:47,120
could be pulled, it would be the most
inefficient construction on Earth. Uh

705
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,720
Uh, we want to build simultaneously,
obviously having full legal obligations

706
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,720
and the the agreement with the district
will hold our feet to the fire to make

707
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,120
sure that we can't operate or do
anything until such time that that plan

708
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:03,800
is operating, but it would be completely
inefficient both financially and just

709
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:07,200
logically to build the entire facility
and have the entire site sitting

710
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,200
stagnant, nothing happening while that's
happening. So, that is the reason for

711
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,520
it, but we are not opposed to, you know,
obviously the agreement and the legal

712
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,600
maneuvers that would obviously make sure
that that has to be completed before the

713
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,400
site could be used in any way, shape or
form.

714
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,400
Uh, next slide, please.

715
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,920
And lastly, you can just go through
these next uh, six slides uh, just one

716
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,960
at a time if you don't mind. Just the
pretty pictures. I just want to remind

717
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,240
everyone obviously what we're trying to
achieve here, the craftsmanship, the

718
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:38,360
respect for privacy, separation, tree
preservation is a big thing of what

719
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,120
we're proposing. We've meticulously
mapped out all the trees through phase

720
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,240
one uh, to ensure that we've actually
moved cabins to to preserve as many

721
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,440
trees as possible. The village we really
see as being the heart and soul for the

722
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,680
community both the traveling public and
for the community at large. Uh, the

723
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,280
bottom right picture or actually if you
don't mind staying here, too. The tower

724
00:52:54,120 --> 00:53:00,280
feature was one thing that was
identified as a potential concern from

725
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:05,160
staff. It is 5 m by 5 m. It is very
modest in size. So, although it does go

726
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:08,960
up to uh, a higher elevation, uh, the
OPA that was stipula- that was approved

727
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:13,200
has the provisions to have moments that
exceed heights for architectural

728
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,640
moments. Uh, we do think that that tower
feature is important. Obviously the

729
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,440
lighting will be dealt with different
uh, appropriately. And in my response

730
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:24,280
letter, we also asked that uh, the
measurement of that gets from

731
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,880
established grade. It's the typical way
of measuring height. The definition

732
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:32,920
that's being proposed would be a bit
more uh, difficult to kind of interpret

733
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,440
and to implement because there's such
grade changes on the site. So, uh,

734
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:42,280
measuring height from established grade
is is standard in the industry.

735
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,280
Uh, next slide, please.

736
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,800
Next slide.
I'll do That's just a height map just

737
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,400
showing you again uh the tower feature.
Uh that one is the chimney and then the

738
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,320
next slide if you go to you'll see the
tower feature.

739
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Uh and so those are the three points
that exceed the heights but again it is

740
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,160
permitted as per the OPA if it meets
kind of architectural standards.

741
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:11,720
I think I think I've covered all my
talking points. I apologize but uh if

742
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,960
there's any questions you have I'm happy
to answer it. I would just like to

743
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:19,040
specify the three modest modifications
we are recommending to the

744
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:22,200
recommendations and to the conditions.
Staff did uh show us the conditions

745
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,640
beforehand and we are generally
supportive of all the holding

746
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,360
provisions. We believe that they are
fair and equitable and give obviously um

747
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:33,400
comfort to both the city staff and to
the district that these things will be

748
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:37,640
done before the lit the H is lifted.
However, there's three clarifications

749
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:41,000
that I would ask. One, uh the timing for
bringing the bylaw forward was very

750
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:45,760
ambiguous. It said at some future
council date. Obviously, this process is

751
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:50,160
over 3 years at this point so we'd like
some assurances that the bylaw is going

752
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:54,280
to be brought forward um immediately
upon uh the ability of staff to do so at

753
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,560
the next council meeting. I know there's
a district component to it but we are

754
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,920
asking for a commitment that the bylaw
be brought forward immediately. Um I

755
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,760
know staff also spoke about modifying
the zoning bylaw. We're absolutely fine

756
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:09,200
with that. I think that's more of an
administrative um the draft of the bylaw

757
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,960
that we did was not using the zones that
staff prefer which is absolutely fine.

758
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,200
We've already seen a new version of it
and we are working with staff on that so

759
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:20,520
I have no issue with that but I don't
like the ambiguity that it's just some

760
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:24,560
future council date. I would hate to
have endorsement today but the bylaw not

761
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:28,240
be enacted for another 6 months.
The more contentious one but I think

762
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:32,960
it's important is we are asking in the
condition pertaining to a planning site

763
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:37,400
plan approval that a clarification that
uh for the wetlands uh it's in state to

764
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:42,640
stipulate that in order to create an
open water wetland adapt of up to 3 m be

765
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,360
permitted. That is an important um
uh distinction for us and we're asking

766
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,960
you to consider that. And lastly, this
is not contentious at all. Uh

767
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:54,480
uh Judd Haven, the condition that speaks
to Judd Haven says uh confirming that

768
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:58,560
it's at a width of 26 m. It's currently
only at 20 m, so we just want to change

769
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:03,480
the language to say confirming that it
will uh be protected up to 26 m. It's

770
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,320
only built to 20, so we'll protect for
the 26, but we can't confirm something

771
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,120
that doesn't exist right now. So with
that, I thank you for your indulgence in

772
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,400
listening to me, and me and my team are
here to answer any questions you have.

773
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,640
And thank you very much to staff. This
has been a very, very long process, very

774
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,440
technical process, and I commend them
for all the work that they have done.

775
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,440
Thank you.

776
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:33,080
» Thank you very much, Ms. Bustard.
Committee, we now begin the heavy work.

777
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,720
We have questions for
uh

778
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,720
Ms. Bustard or Ms. Crowder.

779
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,920
» I just have a quick question for Ms.
Bus- Ms. Bustard if she could come back.

780
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:49,960
Uh I just need a little help on one
thing that you just mentioned and have

781
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:54,000
mentioned earlier. The 3 m versus 2 m,
uh you

782
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:57,760
kind of vaguely call out that you're
only going to need it in certain

783
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:01,840
locations or certain circumstances. Can
you identify those or approximately

784
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:06,600
identify those so that we know that
they're where they are and perhaps why

785
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:10,280
they are necessary?
>> There's obviously various depths through

786
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:14,320
the the the restoration that's going to
occur. We We haven't got into detail

787
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,480
design, so we have rough estimations.
There's extensive plantings. We've done

788
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,920
the island. It really will be through
the center of the channel, just making

789
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,240
sure flow and water is happening. We
don't want this to be stagnant. We don't

790
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,520
want this to quickly grow back into the
thicket that it was.

791
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,600
Um I can't say with absolute certainty
right now exactly where it'd be three,

792
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,840
where it'd be two, but we just don't
want to be in a situation where the

793
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:40,600
approval caps it hard fast at two and
that there's no there's no flexibility

794
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,760
on that matter. That being said,
everything that we are going to be doing

795
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:49,000
with Azimuth and with our team is to the
absolute highest standard. We are

796
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,800
motivated more than anyone to make sure
that this is beautiful and the habitat

797
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,360
is thriving and it's an environment that
people want to be.

798
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,880
So you can be sure that we are
absolutely aligned on that. So I can't

799
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,160
tell you definitively where it would be,
but we just need the ability in some

800
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,320
locations for it to come up to three or
to go down to three meters.

801
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,560
» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

802
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,400
» Mitty, just before we go to the next
question, I just I'd like to outline how

803
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,760
we will go through this. It's really not
much different than we normally do. Uh

804
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:20,480
so we will have questions so that we
fully understand in our minds what what

805
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:26,680
we're facing. Then I will read the
resolution and then then we are going to

806
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:29,920
go through the various items that there
are differences and we will start with

807
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:34,680
the flood plain.
And if we require, we will have an

808
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:39,920
amendment and adjust it as we have as we
normally do. Then we will do uh

809
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:42,200
development with the adjacent wetlands.
Uh

810
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,560
after that we can deal with front yard
setbacks and vegetative buffer and we

811
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:49,120
can go on through those things. So those
are the items that are generally where

812
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,120
there are differences in opinion and we
need to make that decision. So that will

813
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,400
be the process, but right now let's make
sure we understand and have all of our

814
00:58:54,560 --> 00:59:02,240
questions answered.
Councilor Nishikawa.

815
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:06,920
» Thank you. Through you to um
Mr. Pink.

816
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:10,320
I am
It's just sort of a general question

817
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:14,640
about I think that the community would
appreciate

818
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:19,760
when um
the Marriott was being built. Um

819
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:24,920
we
from my recollection

820
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:28,360
a bylaw officer was designated that that
was

821
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:32,960
you know, they that was their only
focus. They didn't have other projects.

822
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:36,960
That was their only focus.
From one of some of these conversations

823
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:42,560
about the wetlands and things about how
deep and how, you know, how much

824
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,560
destruction or what all that.

825
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:50,440
Who who checks? Like who, you know, how
how how how are we knowing

826
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,440
um
you know,

827
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,520
what happens on a job site for for
instance within the wetlands?

828
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,640
» CEO Pick,
thank you uh through you the chair and

829
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,840
good morning committee. Uh my
recollection of the JW Marriott, I think

830
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:08,840
you may have misspoke. I believe uh a
dedicated building inspector, yes,

831
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:13,400
uh was actually housed on site I think
on a trailer and was dedicated

832
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:16,520
exclusively to reviewing uh construction
and various inspections under the

833
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:21,080
building code for that entire
development. At the time I believe uh we

834
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:25,640
would have likely had one part-time
bylaw officer. So, I think to answer

835
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,640
your question uh council's put a lot of
additional resources to bylaw

836
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:34,320
enforcement. Uh we now have uh more of a
robust bylaw enforcement team.

837
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,840
Um I'm not I wouldn't commit uh right
now to saying we're going to dedicate

838
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,600
one of those bylaw officers exclusively
to this development, but I think we

839
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:44,840
certainly have the
uh the resources and the capacity to

840
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,280
address any issues
uh should it arise through this

841
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:51,840
construction
similar to any other development in the

842
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,840
municipality.

843
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,600
» Thank you.

844
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,920
» Committee, no further questions.
Councillor Mason.

845
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,600
» Uh thank you and through you. I think
this was just one fact I was trying to

846
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,960
capture because there's a lot of
information.

847
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,280
» Mhm.
>> Uh so, I suspect it's probably in

848
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:14,840
somebody's report somewhere.
Uh the square footage that currently

849
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:20,600
exists, I think Ms. Bustard put up a
slide of what's currently in the flood

850
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,080
plain versus what is being recommended.
I think I said it I captured it right.

851
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,760
but is it 30,000? Maybe you could just
answer that question and then I

852
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:31,080
» Miss Buskirk.
>> Uh thank you. It's roughly 30,000. We

853
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,440
don't have kind of detailed surveys of
those buildings due to the age. So we've

854
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:38,520
we've taken the area off. Our internal
architect has kind of taken off the

855
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,560
satellite images. So it's roughly 30,000
square feet and what we're proposing to

856
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,880
replace it with is roughly 18,000 square
feet.

857
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,160
Okay, thank you.

858
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:56,320
» Councillor Edwards.
>> Yes, thank you. This would be to

859
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Miss
Miss Buskirk.

860
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:04,320
Uh
Is there a bridge across there?

861
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:10,600
» Uh yes, there's currently a pedestrian
bridge that runs from the cabins, like

862
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,800
the baby suites, across the wetlands to
where the yoga studio is and that exists

863
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,240
today.
>> And it will be the same. So like

864
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,160
» Yeah, we're proposing to obviously
improve upon it, but yes, we are

865
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:24,280
proposing that same kind of pedestrian
linkage there.

866
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,480
» I guess what my my question is so large
boats couldn't go in there. I thought

867
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:31,760
you had said before it was just for
canoe, paddle boards and

868
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:35,400
» Yes, absolutely. We are in other than
the depth matter, which I know is a

869
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:39,600
disagreement, we are we are in full
agreement with the other recommendations

870
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,440
of SLR, including no motorized vehicles
in there whatsoever. Absolutely. And

871
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:46,160
restricting access.
Yeah.

872
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:50,000
» I've seen and I think it was just an
artist

873
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:54,000
rendition of the uh
cabins on stilts where they had stairs

874
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:57,520
going down to the ground
in the flood plane. I thought you had to

875
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,400
have it so that you could get
>> No, they actually the access and egress

876
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:04,680
stays above it. So they're actually
raised and you don't drop down until

877
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,520
you're outside of the
the elevation limit. Yeah, that's

878
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,520
correct.

879
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,480
» Councillor Zaps.
>> Um thank you and through you to Paul if

880
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:20,360
you would.
So the word contentious, I mean I I find

881
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:25,040
that disturbing after all these years,
uh but thank you for that use. Uh I

882
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:28,800
guess I would ask you the question,
um

883
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:34,720
if I could, uh other than that, other
than the water depth issue, which is

884
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:40,120
whether it's 2 m or 3 m, is there
anything else, could you phrase to us

885
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:45,680
any any other concerns you have that uh
are to that level of uh contentious as a

886
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:48,840
contentious issue, or is that is that
the main niggling point now? Is that

887
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,520
where we are with everything else, all
the conditions and the H's and

888
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,880
everything else, is that where
where you are, where we are with that

889
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,600
right now?
>> I I think it's Cherry.

890
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,240
I don't even like using the word
contentious. I shouldn't have used that.

891
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:03,200
I apologize. I I think there's been a
really, really great collaborative

892
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,800
approach. I think we just on the
floodplain issue are agreeing to

893
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,360
disagree. There's different ways of
interpreting policy. We also are looking

894
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:15,960
at kind of the the holistic and the
broader view. And uh obviously, as the

895
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:20,160
people who are going to own and operate
these these lands, we feel really

896
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:24,960
passionately that this is such a
critical issue to the enjoyment of the

897
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:29,320
site for for the public uh and for the
community. Um so, it's that's why it's

898
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,640
so absolutely essential to us and that
we just don't feel that there's a path

899
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:37,000
forward without it. Um but for the most
part, the application, I think we are

900
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:39,960
all fully aligned. Um I remember going
back way back to 2018 when I had the

901
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,000
pleasure of sitting on the Minut
Steering Committee and hearing all the

902
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:47,360
aspirations of the community. And you
know, we really took that to heart and I

903
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:51,600
think the plan does showcase that. I
think the uh there's a couple comments

904
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,680
in there about parking. I don't totally
understand the notion of compensation

905
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,320
for parking. We think the parking supply
we've proposed is absolutely sufficient.

906
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,760
We do have lots of land around there
that if there's need for overflow, but

907
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,960
that being said, our our our traffic
consultant is very confident with the

908
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:09,480
numbers we put forward at 171 stalls. Um
so, I I think that was identified and

909
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,240
the height was identified, but I think
those are things that can get worked

910
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,840
through at site plan. So, I don't think
there's any fundamental issues other

911
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:19,280
than the wetland Uh issue, which I
understand the staff's position and and

912
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,240
why they've taken it, and we're asking
for your consideration.

913
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,560
» Supplemental.
>> Thank you, and through you, Paula.

914
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,640
Another question then,
as it relates to flood planning, I mean,

915
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,840
we're
we as a people are struggling with flood

916
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:37,880
planning right now, given the most
recent flood and and the ones prior.

917
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Um
how committed are you to working with us

918
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,320
on that?
>> In what

919
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,840
» Well, I guess, sorry, in in in the
capacity that

920
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,720
um
I think it's just going to be a bit of a

921
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:57,360
struggle to get to where we're all in
agreement with the flood plain piece.

922
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,840
And I just wonder, you know, what your
uh overarching uh theory is on that, I

923
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,280
suppose.
>> Well, the the proposal we've put

924
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:07,680
together, and obviously the technical
studies that we've put forward, uh we

925
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:11,240
think that there is a very very strong
justification for what we've proposed,

926
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:15,240
which is that 80,000 that does encroach
into the flood plain, which really does

927
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:19,000
replicate and to a lesser extent than
what exists today. They will be built at

928
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:23,040
a higher elevation. All life safety will
be dealt with. Um without that

929
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:29,120
component, we are not prepared to
proceed with this this application.

930
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,120
» Mayor Kelly.

931
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:35,840
Uh thank you very much, and uh through
you, not a question to anyone. In fact,

932
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:40,400
I might talk a lot, so you may sit down.
Um

933
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:45,200
I I I just want to talk uh primarily to
council. We or to council, to the

934
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:49,280
committee. Um this you know, the
counselor Zabitsky's questions raise

935
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:52,440
some issues that we run into every once
in a while.

936
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,880
We seem to think we have to
reach unanimity. We seem to think that

937
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:00,840
we have to
uh not offend. Um

938
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:04,840
and frankly, there shouldn't be this
notion that it's we're pitting one

939
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:11,120
against the other here.
Uh quite frankly, I I think both

940
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:17,560
submissions uh are very very strong,
exemplary. Um uh as as apologetic said,

941
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:21,080
one outlines the sort of terms and
conditions under which they're they're

942
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:27,080
uh willing to proceed with an
application. Uh our position, which is a

943
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:31,320
very thorough uh review of the uh
planning matters. Um and and I will say

944
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:36,640
right now because we always forget till
the end, uh our staff have done just an

945
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:41,200
a remarkable job. They've done it under
incredible time pressures. We have a uh

946
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:45,720
small uh
group back in the planning department.

947
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,800
I won't say it, but thank goodness one
of them is Emily.

948
01:07:48,251 --> 01:07:54,440
» [laughter]
>> Uh it it is really really well done and

949
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:58,240
represents the planning interest
in a phenomenal way. I think we've heard

950
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:02,480
from a couple of the uh
uh comments that came in and I was going

951
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:07,760
to repeat the comment as well. There's a
path forward that is highlighted

952
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:11,160
uh if count if committee I'm going to
say council 100 times. If committee

953
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:16,240
chooses
uh a different path.

954
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:20,040
I will not countenance anyone saying
that we're going against planning. We're

955
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:25,160
not going against planning. Planning is
absolutely a huge factor in our

956
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:30,319
consideration. Environmental impact is a
huge factor in our uh consideration.

957
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:35,960
But quite frankly, we have an obligation
to the constituents of this township to

958
01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:40,480
step back three paces and consider a lot
more than just the planning

959
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:43,440
justification or the planning issues. We
have to consider the economic

960
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:49,279
development issues. We have to consider
the uh we have to consider the uh the

961
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:53,240
local impact issues. Uh we have to
consider quite frankly, and this is one

962
01:08:50,839 --> 01:08:58,839
of those cases where I don't do this I
don't bet. But we have to sometimes bet

963
01:08:55,799 --> 01:09:03,880
on the jockey, not the horse. Uh we have
a we have a situation that's been lying

964
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:07,520
dormant for so long. It's uh I was going
to speak to Paul about cleaning the

965
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,720
place up, please. It's a mess over
there.

966
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:15,960
We're It's time that we put, you know,
we get somebody who's able to show, you

967
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:19,920
know, a track record of of success in in
closing on big

968
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:24,600
uh construction projects and has a
commitment to the community.

969
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:28,560
Um that has to factor into the kinds of
things that we're going to be putting in

970
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:34,200
the front of our mind. Not to minimize
any of the effort or impact or input

971
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:38,279
from our planners, from CAO Pink, from
the rest of the advisors we work from

972
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,920
with, including our outside advisors and
frankly including Azimuth and some of

973
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,960
the other
parties who participated in this as

974
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:50,759
well.
There's a There's a path forward or

975
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:54,560
there isn't. No one need be offended.
Our job is to represent to the best of

976
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:59,680
our abilities the interests of the
entire township, everyone who resides,

977
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:04,960
who who travels here, who is a part-time
or full-time resident,

978
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:09,520
to consider all of the implications
of this project. And frankly, I think

979
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:14,040
all of the implications of turning down
this project. Um I'm going to have more

980
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:18,000
to say as we go through what sounds like
a three- or four-day exercise, but when

981
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:21,360
we get to the various issues, I will
have more to say. But I think it's

982
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:25,880
important that we go at this the right
way. We have tremendous documentation,

983
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:29,760
probably too much,
to consider. We've read it, we've asked

984
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:37,000
questions, we've highlighted it, we've
asked for for um

985
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:42,040
amendments to it. Um and we're at that
day when it might have all been easier

986
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:45,160
just to get to call in sick. But we have
to stand up and we have to do this

987
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,480
review and we have to make sure that we
are putting all of the interests

988
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,640
into the formula that decides how we're
going to vote. And again,

989
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:58,160
Emily, you've done a remarkable job as
we are accustomed to. Thank you for your

990
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:02,000
for standing up for all of this in such
an articulate manner. Um I appreciate it

991
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:07,160
very much.
And um I'm going to go back to the

992
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,160
chair. Thank you.

993
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,920
» Councilor Roberts.
>> Thank you, Chair, and through you to Ms.

994
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:17,320
Crowder.
Um

995
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:23,760
is my understanding correct that the
some of the current buildings are at

996
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:26,720
zero level of of water level or are
Ms. Crowder?

997
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:31,400
» Through you, Chair, um to Councilor
Roberts. Um well, first of all, thank

998
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:35,400
you, Mayor Kelly. Um but through you to
Councilor Roberts, um there are some

999
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:41,560
existing buildings that are within the
flood plain on these lands. Um the

1000
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:44,640
document prepared by Ms. Bustard um that
was shown on the screen today, I haven't

1001
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:51,520
seen that until this morning. The
comparative of um existing buildings

1002
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:56,120
versus proposed, so I cannot verify
you know, the the number specifically,

1003
01:11:54,240 --> 01:12:03,160
but yes, there is existing development
within the flood plain. Um and that was

1004
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:08,320
part of staff's analysis um in that
buildings that are considered to be

1005
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:13,560
legal non-complying within the flood
plain could be replaced one for one.

1006
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:18,720
Um the applications before us today look
to alter those locations um and size and

1007
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,040
extent, so
a bit different, but to answer your

1008
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,320
question, yes.
>> All right, thank you. So, I don't know

1009
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:29,000
who to ask the question to, but it's
more for my clarity on Lake Rosseau. I

1010
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:33,720
don't get on Lake Rosseau a lot. Um I
can see flooding

1011
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,640
the the spring flooding on Lake Muskoka,
the evidence and what happens,

1012
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:41,080
but
historically

1013
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:46,320
what happens in the spring
on Lake Rosseau? Is it going up 2 or 3

1014
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,840
ft like it does in Lake Muskoka or is it
Ms. Crowder?

1015
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:53,960
» Through you, Chair, um to Councilor
Roberts. I

1016
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,200
admittedly am not an expert on the
flooding levels

1017
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:01,040
in the Township and on the specific
lakes. I don't know if Mr. Pink knows

1018
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:05,520
the
change in elevation on Lake Rosso. What

1019
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:09,600
I can say is we did do a site visit for
this property

1020
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:13,640
in the spring and there is some photos
in the staff report that show that site

1021
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:18,640
visit and the flooding on site
particularly near the Wetland area

1022
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:26,000
and the area between the Wetland and
Judhaven Road. You can see that it it

1023
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,000
does flood in that in that location.

1024
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,960
» Other questions committee?
Let me read the

1025
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:37,240
» Councilor Mazan.
>> Councilor Mazan.

1026
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:41,120
» Thank you and through you.
And I again

1027
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:45,400
the quality of all of these inputs I'm
just repeating is just so significant

1028
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:51,360
and there's a lot of information that
all of us are trying to mine through.

1029
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:55,840
I think that both of you have isolated
where this most I won't use the word

1030
01:13:53,840 --> 01:14:02,800
contentious but most significant thing
seems to be around the 2 m 3 m. I did

1031
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:06,960
note though in the conclusion of the
I need to put my glasses on again.

1032
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:10,720
The um
SLR recommendations there was a few

1033
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:14,320
other pieces.
Number

1034
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:20,920
So I'll not talk about the 2 m but a
riparian restoration plan

1035
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:24,360
a compensatory critical fish habitat
and then I think the fourth one was

1036
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:28,680
about restricting guest access to the
new Wetland area which I think

1037
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:32,560
it's probably difficult to actually
manage but I think I'm hearing isn't

1038
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:36,200
really as significant but perhaps those
other two you could just expand upon a

1039
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,200
little bit.
>> I'm happy to. Thank you very much. Yeah

1040
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:43,240
generally those conditions and we
responded when SLR sent those. We're

1041
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:46,320
generally in agreement. There's a slight
disagreement on the extent of the fish

1042
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:52,000
habitat replacement and that's going
back to my commentary in my presentation

1043
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:56,440
that the the total thicket is the 8500
but MNR has only identified 1500 of fish

1044
01:14:54,360 --> 01:15:00,160
habitat and our and and through our
surveying. So, that can be detailed more

1045
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,400
through obviously the discussions that
we'll have through detailed design. So,

1046
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,360
there's a there's a potential that it's
larger than the 1500 but they don't our

1047
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:09,440
consultants don't believe it's anywhere
close to the 8500 that was stipulated by

1048
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:13,360
SLR.
Um so, that I'd say is a clarification

1049
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:17,040
that we need to work through and and
there's absolutely no real contention on

1050
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,480
that. It's just a matter of of the
environmentalists kind of getting

1051
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,480
together and reviewing that. And the
repair and restoration plan fully in

1052
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:26,280
agreement and a restoration plan
actually shows that. Uh and if it

1053
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:30,120
enhancements needed on that, no problem
whatsoever. And yes, 100% we've agreed

1054
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:33,600
no motorized vehicles in there. So,
generally we are completely aligned with

1055
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,080
the exception of the depth.
>> Thank you.

1056
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:39,000
» You're welcome.
>> I could just ask members of the public

1057
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,880
to not talk during the meeting, please.
Next question.

1058
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:51,520
No talking, please.
Councilor Mazin.

1059
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:57,080
» Uh thank you and through you and just uh
one other I just want confirmation

1060
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:01,320
perhaps from staff about the concurrent
the request for the concurrent uh

1061
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,680
treatment plant that is going to be
handled through the district. If I can

1062
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,960
just have assurance or if you can just
explain how that works. Thanks.

1063
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:11,400
» Ms. Grater.
>> Thank you. Through you, Chair, uh to

1064
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:17,960
Councilor Mazin. Yes, so the district
did provide comment on the application

1065
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:22,400
and did speak to um the request for the
um wastewater treatment plant to run

1066
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:27,640
concurrently with development on site.
So, in the recommendation

1067
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:31,800
one of the points um to be included
within the holding provision is an

1068
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:36,280
agreement with the district um be
entered into and registered on title

1069
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:41,200
regarding um the design and construction
for the wastewater treatment plant and

1070
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:45,200
it is to include the provision of
financial securities,

1071
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:49,600
um the requirement for the developer to
obtain at their sole expense all

1072
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:54,720
required provincial approvals,
um and it details those provincial

1073
01:16:51,760 --> 01:17:00,000
approvals that are required.
Um before start of operation.

1074
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:04,520
Um
requirement for the developer to ensure

1075
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:09,080
that any rental arrangements made and or
any lease or rental agreements to

1076
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:13,400
include terms identifying that occupancy
will be contingent upon

1077
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:17,800
um those provincial approvals and
construction of the necessary water and

1078
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:21,720
sewer infrastructure.
And the requirement for the developer to

1079
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:25,920
obtain the necessary connection permits
from the district prior to connection um

1080
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:31,440
to the municipal water and sewer
infrastructure. So they have put in

1081
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:36,160
their conditions that they feel satisfy
um this requirement. And I do know that

1082
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:40,320
um Curtis Severight, who is manager for
the planning department at the district,

1083
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:44,280
is online today and available to answer
any questions um

1084
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:48,360
regarding the water and sewer or any
district interest really.

1085
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,200
» Mayor Kelly.
Thank you for that. I just have a a

1086
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:55,200
follow-up,
if I may. I I'm a little confused about

1087
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:59,640
whether this is an issue of the need to
construct water and sewer or the timing

1088
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:04,760
of the construction.
And so and that's what I thought it was.

1089
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:08,640
If it's timing, I understand that the
risk is of

1090
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:12,240
of non-completion, never gets done. Is
that the real risk? And and I have to

1091
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,680
ask my question and then I'll turn the
mic off. Is that not something that

1092
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:20,200
could be covered off with a performance
bond of some sort? Ms. Crowder.

1093
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:25,080
» Through you, Chair, um to Mayor Kelly.
So the question is timing. That is the

1094
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:29,560
the component that we're debating or or
just that is um being proposed. And they

1095
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:33,280
do want to construct the wastewater
treatment plant at the same time as the

1096
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:37,280
rest of the development is being built
out. Um

1097
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:42,000
there is a requirement for financial
security, so that does protect the

1098
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:45,800
township to a certain extent. The risk
is that,

1099
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:50,760
um, you know, the treatment plant not be
built and that people potentially occupy

1100
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:55,840
these buildings before occupancy is
granted, which is always an enforcement

1101
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,840
challenge.

1102
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:04,160
» Councilor Edwards.
And then Councilor Mazin.

1103
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:08,600
» Uh, yes. Um,
I can see the

1104
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:13,760
necessity of building the houses as well
as the sewer and water at the same time.

1105
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:18,840
I believe it was asked
and that we can withhold occupancy

1106
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:22,120
permits and who's going to move in if
they don't have water and sewer?

1107
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360
» Committee, I'm
>> I'm going to answer that one.

1108
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:30,880
» Seeing a slow down in the questions. Oh,
sorry, Councilor Mazin.

1109
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:35,200
» Uh, thank you. Through you, this is just
again a clarification because there's

1110
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:40,280
some new terms here about one zone one
zone flooding versus two zone. I think,

1111
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,520
uh, Ms. Crowder, you had mentioned that
and I know that it was in the report

1112
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:47,480
from, uh, Ms. Buster as well. Could you
just for committee's sake explain the

1113
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,760
difference between the two, please?
>> Ms. Crowder.

1114
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:55,080
» Through you, Chair. Uh, to Councilor
Mazin, absolutely. So, a one zone

1115
01:19:51,960 --> 01:20:00,360
concept is applied for, um, lakes
typically, larger, um, bodies of water,

1116
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:03,240
not to be mixed up with a large inland
versus small inland, but lakes in

1117
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:08,720
general.
Um, and a two zone concept is applied

1118
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:14,200
more so for rivers, um, where the change
in flooding elevation is more drastic

1119
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:20,440
than on a lake concept. So, in the
provincial planning statement, the, um,

1120
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:25,920
two terms are defined and applied to
specific situations. One zone concept,

1121
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:29,480
the entirety of the flood plain is
considered to be the floodway.

1122
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:33,920
And so, that's a very important
distinction when reading the provincial

1123
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:39,920
planning policies. In a two-zone
concept, you have the floodway and the

1124
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:44,640
flood fringe together, which create the
flood plain. So, it you know, very

1125
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:49,800
technical defined terms.
Um and in this case, Lake Rosso is a

1126
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:53,960
one-zone. The entirety of the flood
plain is the floodway.

1127
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,080
» Quick supplemental, Chair.
>> Yes.

1128
01:20:54,360 --> 01:21:01,440
» Okay. Just so
putting in this into layman's terms,

1129
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:07,240
using the distinction between a river
and now a one-zone floodway,

1130
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:12,360
the difference would be the variability
one could assume on a river

1131
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:15,240
uh because of the fringe.
So, there's like a static line and then

1132
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,640
an up and down. That's probably a lot
more variable on a two-zone. Is that

1133
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,160
correct?
>> Ms. Crowder.

1134
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:25,600
» Through you, Chair, to Councilman Zand.
That is my understanding that the

1135
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:29,040
variability in water level differs more
greatly when you are talking about a

1136
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:34,080
river stream
river um scenario versus a lake. So, the

1137
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:38,800
policies that are applicable differ a
bit. Um and I think maybe CAO Pink wants

1138
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,840
to add.
>> CAO Pink.

1139
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,640
Thank you. Just quickly, yes. I think
the variability in height, uh but also I

1140
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:49,240
think the variability in flow. And
that's a large part of the distinction

1141
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,680
too in a riverine environment. You're
going to have greater flow in that

1142
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:55,240
floodway, while the flood fringe may and
that could directly impact health and

1143
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,480
safety
at those at those flows.

1144
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:03,040
Uh and that's why it's a two-zone
concept in in rivers as well. So,

1145
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,280
height, uh but also flow levels. Thank
you.

1146
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,880
All right, Committee. Let me

1147
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:29,280
» Sorry, Councillor Bosworth, your mic's
not on. There you sorry. Thank you.

1148
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:32,720
Um
Before I read the resolution, which

1149
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:35,320
changes the nature of the discussion and
some of the rules around how we have to

1150
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,360
behave.
Um

1151
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:45,400
Um we're going to take a 15-minute break
and be back at

1152
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:49,720
and
10 10 35.

1153
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:57,920
And I will remind committee
and the people in the room that there

1154
01:22:55,640 --> 01:23:02,760
should be no discussion of this
either between committee members or

1155
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,760
between committee and the public.

1156
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,440
» All right.

1157
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,000
» Mhm.

1158
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:34,480
» I'm going to read the resolution so that
we can have

1159
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:38,200
open to full discussion and continuing
questions as required. Moved by

1160
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:42,080
Councillor Edwards, seconded by
Councillor Kent.

1161
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:47,520
Be it resolved that the official plan
amendment application OPA

1162
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:54,360
-64
2666940

1163
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:54,360
Ontario Inc. and 2665556

1164
01:38:54,880 --> 01:39:02,280
Ontario Inc.
be revised to

1165
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:06,720
retain section C1.5.3.7
which prohibits the development of new

1166
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:12,120
habitable buildings within the flood
plain and that any affected proposed

1167
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:16,920
amendments be retained or revised
accordingly and that the proposed OPA be

1168
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:21,000
adopted by the Township
and the record be forwarded to the

1169
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:26,720
district municipality of Muskoka for
approval and that should committee

1170
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:31,000
adopt proposed amendments to section
C1.5.3.7

1171
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:36,360
permitting new development within the
flood plain that is scheduled to section

1172
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:41,760
C1.5.4.3
C1.5.4.4

1173
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,760
and C1.5.4.5

1174
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:49,880
be added which demonstrates the specific
location and extent wherein buildings

1175
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:54,000
structures are permitted within the
front yard setback and where the

1176
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:58,520
required 15 m shoreline vegetative
buffer is per-

1177
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:02,600
is permitted to be reduced.
So, this effectively deals with the

1178
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:06,280
first item that we had on our agenda,
which is the flood plain.

1179
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:10,000
So, I open it up to committee for
questions and discussions.

1180
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,440
Media, are we ready to vote?

1181
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,440
Yes.

1182
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,240
» Just uh
I'm I'm trying to to understand the flow

1183
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:41,360
of these things again if
that third paragraph Sorry, I'm just

1184
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,040
going back to what Mr. Chinks was saying
earlier and I just want to make sure I

1185
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:48,200
haven't lost any thread here. Are we
proposing amendments?

1186
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:50,400
» Well, we have to decide.
>> So, this is the moment that you wanted

1187
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:56,120
to
>> read through this, it's saying

1188
01:40:53,480 --> 01:41:00,360
the recommendation is to not accept the
flood plain.

1189
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:06,400
But, should we do consider it, then we
will have some specific position some uh

1190
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:10,480
schedule
that demonstrates the specific location

1191
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:13,840
and extent of the buildings. So, we have
to decide which one it is.

1192
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:20,520
Is that fair to say, Ms. Scouter?
>> Through you, Chair. Um

1193
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:26,680
so, what's before you is the question of
whether um you are going to approve or

1194
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:31,960
prohibit development within the flood
plain. Essentially, that question um

1195
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:35,120
would need to be answered at this stage.
And if the decision was to permit

1196
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:39,640
development with the within the flood
plain, then it would be that third

1197
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:43,680
paragraph that we are um recommending be
implemented. But if you were

1198
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:47,200
recommending development not be
permitted within the flood plain, it

1199
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:50,000
would be those first two within the
resolution.

1200
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:53,920
» Councilor Madison.
>> So, probably just needing a bit of

1201
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:58,440
guidance here then because I think this
is the key point.

1202
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:01,320
Which is if we don't actually agree at
this Like we actually have to make a

1203
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:04,000
decision on this.
And so then

1204
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:10,280
maybe some assistance if we were to
suggest that paragraph three is the

1205
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:13,880
approach we
want to suggest. I just don't know

1206
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:17,920
process-wise how to go about this. What
specific

1207
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:20,480
amendments would we be including? I just
want to be sure I'm clear.

1208
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:26,760
Uh
>> Mr. Crowder, guide us on how

1209
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:31,960
you would like us to get make
recraft recraft this resolution.

1210
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:36,360
» Through you, Chair. Um I think that
either way you decide whether to approve

1211
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:42,080
or deny, the
the resolution should be amended to

1212
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:49,040
reflect that. So, I think the first two
items here um so, staff's recommendation

1213
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:53,200
was that the OPA be revised to retain
section the section that prohibits

1214
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:57,480
development within the flood plain and
that the revised OPA be adopted by the

1215
01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:03,560
township and that record sent to the
district. However, should committee wish

1216
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:10,360
to um adopt the proposed amendments to
section C1 um 537, which is development

1217
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:12,400
within the flood plain, then we would
um

1218
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:16,320
Essentially, we're looking for direction
on you at this point. But I see CAO Pink

1219
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:20,800
wants to add some comments.
>> Councilor Madison then Councilor Burke.

1220
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:23,200
» I think maybe CAO Pink could help guide
here first and

1221
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:27,240
» CAO Pink.
>> We almost voted on something and didn't

1222
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:30,120
have an answer.
No, thank you. Uh through you, maybe to

1223
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:33,440
help uh with the process. This is a
little unusual and I apologize maybe for

1224
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:37,200
missing it, but the resolution before
you, I would suggest not calling or

1225
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,400
voting on that because it's it's two
separate things.

1226
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:44,160
» Yes.
>> Um I think what it really forces is an

1227
01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:47,560
amendment to that resolution and to sort
of pick your path. So, I would suggest

1228
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,440
to you perhaps the way if there's a
mover and a seconder to either support

1229
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:54,800
development in a flood plain,
then it would consider the third

1230
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:58,320
paragraph, and committee can vote on
that. Uh should a mover and seconder

1231
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:02,160
want to advance not permitting
development in a flood plain, it would

1232
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:05,360
advance the first two um
uh paragraphs in that, and I think that

1233
01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:10,920
might be the best way to sort of manage
this process and have a formal uh vote

1234
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:14,640
uh on those two paths. But, the again,
the resolution before you has sort of

1235
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:18,240
two options. If you passed it, I think
it would be a little confusing uh

1236
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:24,800
» Uh Counselor Berry, then Counselor Kent.
>> Uh thank you and through you. Uh I think

1237
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:28,840
I'm going to try and make a a point that
may help some of the the lay people

1238
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:34,480
around all. When we're talking about
development in in the flood plain,

1239
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:39,200
we're talking about redevelopment in the
flood plain. There's there's structure

1240
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:43,400
already there here.
And what we're doing is remediating

1241
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:49,200
what's there
and fixing it and taking 30,000 square

1242
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:52,920
feet down to 18,000 square feet. So, I
mean, development to me sounds like it's

1243
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:58,480
new. It's all brand new. We're coming
here and we're just putting in new.

1244
01:44:55,240 --> 01:45:02,440
Where in fact, this specific proposal is
talking about redevelopment of what's

1245
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:07,520
already there
in a in a

1246
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:11,360
much more uh holistic and and thoughtful
way.

1247
01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:17,400
» Counselor Kent.
>> I would be happy to uh

1248
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:22,720
first or second uh second proposal,
which is to support

1249
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:27,280
redevelopment in the flood plains. So,
if somebody wants to second it, I'd go

1250
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,280
for that route.

1251
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:33,640
» Uh Counselor sorry, counselor Mazen has
>> Put her hand up.

1252
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,480
» Thank you. I I think the question the I
think

1253
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,360
I think you had asked the question is
anybody willing to put forward a motion

1254
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:41,880
which it's I think what counselor Kent
is also and I think we had been

1255
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:45,760
discussing. I think that is the next
step so I'd be happy to

1256
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:50,480
shape I don't know if staff have already
pulled something together to allow

1257
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:54,280
redevelopment or development.
>> I want to give counselor Nishikawa

1258
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:58,000
» Okay, but
>> Go ahead with the problem.

1259
01:45:55,200 --> 01:46:00,880
» on this. Okay. Oh, okay.
>> Counselor Nishikawa

1260
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:10,160
» I I would like to request staff
whatever we're coming up with

1261
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:14,400
to be able to put it up on the screen
and both have have a very clear vision

1262
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:18,360
of what we're voting on.
>> Excellent idea. We had We had given that

1263
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:21,880
some consideration.
Uh all right, so we have a mover

1264
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:25,320
» Mover.
>> and a seconder.

1265
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,480
» And so I want time.

1266
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:35,760
» Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. No, no, Sally
moved it.

1267
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:38,400
And counselor Mazen seconded. Yes, I'm
sorry.

1268
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:41,160
Got it. Thank you.
>> So we need strike so

1269
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,720
» All right, let's take just a few minute
break.

1270
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:49,040
» Hopefully.
>> We'll break for however long it takes.

1271
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:53,520
No discussion, please.
Counselor Kent, no discussion.

1272
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:56,720
» So are you going to
mandatorily or something? Are you able

1273
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:59,760
to back it?
>> Or assistant

1274
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:02,520
» This is my best friend over here.
>> Hm?

1275
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:05,080
» He's writing it, my best friend.
>> This is not allowed.

1276
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:11,280
» Oh.
>> I was trying to draw it.

1277
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,280
» I can't read your handwriting.

1278
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,000
» I think

1279
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,760
He's writing.

1280
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:24,680
» So
I guess

1281
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,840
» Councilor Adams.
>> If I may, through you, just to confuse

1282
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,400
the issue.
I I guess I

1283
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:38,680
Councilor I I'm just trying to look at
>> I please?

1284
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:43,320
» at this and understand the word
development

1285
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:47,560
which you know, sort of denotes new and
redevelopment which means to essentially

1286
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:50,600
» let's just hold this till we got a
resolution in front of us. It's a good

1287
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:53,560
point, but let's just hold it.
>> Yeah, okay.

1288
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,400
But it's all right.

1289
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:34,120
» We like to be procedurally pure here.
So,

1290
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:38,320
um, the first thing we are going to do
is table the resolution that we just

1291
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:41,160
read
and leave it aside.

1292
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:47,120
And then we will have a second
resolution that reflects what uh

1293
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:52,040
counselor Kent and counselor Mazin have
have tabled.

1294
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:54,440
So, the first one is
Uh and we're bringing them up on the

1295
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,360
screen. I'm not going to bring this one
up on the screen because it just says

1296
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:01,800
we're going to table it.
But, if we could bring the other one up

1297
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,800
on the screen.

1298
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:07,480
CEO Pink, I got that correctly.
All right.

1299
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:13,080
Moved by Councillor Kent, seconded by
Councillor Mazin. Be it resolved that

1300
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:17,920
the motion be tabled.
Any discussion?

1301
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:21,200
All right. All those in favor?
All right.

1302
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:25,720
The next one up as you can see on the
screen is moved by Councillor Kent,

1303
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:32,880
seconded by Councillor Mazin. Be it
resolved that committee adopt proposed

1304
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:37,160
amendments to section C 1.5.3.7
permitting development within the flood

1305
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,160
plain.

1306
02:01:52,840 --> 02:01:59,720
So, there's there's the question.
Committee,

1307
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:59,720
what debate do we have around this?

1308
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:09,520
Councillor Zavitz.
>> Thank you through you to the earlier

1309
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:13,600
point. Um pretty this uh
the difference in it interpretation

1310
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:19,440
between the word development and
redevelopment. I see that we've used the

1311
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:23,120
word development here and yet
previously was discussed that you know,

1312
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:28,880
we just we're re-allowing the
redevelopment within a a space. And I

1313
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:31,800
just wondered if I mean, is that a
a commonly held

1314
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:35,080
um
belief or is this new development? I'm

1315
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:38,200
clearly the
>> Ms. Crowder.

1316
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:41,960
» Thank you through you, Chair, uh to
Councillor Zavitz.

1317
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:45,200
So, the provincial planning statement
doesn't differentiate between the terms

1318
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:48,720
development and redevelopment. It
doesn't actually use the term

1319
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:53,040
redevelopment. It only has development.
Um so strictly from a planning

1320
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:56,440
standpoint the terms could be
synonymous.

1321
02:02:54,280 --> 02:03:01,960
Um what I would say is just for the sake
of clarity, this is not just replacement

1322
02:02:59,880 --> 02:03:07,720
of existing buildings. This is
construction of new buildings in the

1323
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:14,080
flood plain in new locations and extents
and sport courts and fill within the

1324
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:17,600
flood plain. So
consideration of this resolution should

1325
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:21,880
just make sure you have the whole
picture. We are talking about buildings,

1326
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:26,200
structures, the amphitheater, sport
courts, and the fill within the flood

1327
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:26,200
plain.

1328
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:32,200
» Councillor Nishikawa and then Councillor
Roberts.

1329
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:36,080
» Um
I'm I'm sure others have the same

1330
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:41,280
concern, but I I feel that I should
present my concerns at this time.

1331
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:46,760
Um
and I do have a district council

1332
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:50,400
um hat on at the moment as well
knowing that we've looked at

1333
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:55,520
um
other applications um

1334
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:58,080
within the flood plain.
Um

1335
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:04,680
I can't um
I can't vote for this today.

1336
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:09,320
Um I'm very very concerned about the
precedent setting.

1337
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:13,040
And I would love to see this redeveloped
if I wasn't concerned about some other

1338
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:18,480
huge
two other very very large projects that

1339
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:18,480
would

1340
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:24,560
I feel like I'm creating a path for them
to

1341
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:28,720
come and
be quite frankly very destructive.

1342
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:34,960
I'm not saying that this particular
property is, but it it it just

1343
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:34,960
so I can't vote for it today.

1344
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:43,960
» Any any other
question to make? Oh, sorry. Councilor

1345
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:43,960
uh

1346
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:48,520
Councilor
Councilor Robertson and Councilor

1347
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:51,040
Edwards.
>> Thank you.

1348
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:59,440
I too may share what Councilor Nishikawa
said, but then I'm thinking about the

1349
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:04,240
history of in the path we have followed
with this from day one.

1350
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:09,120
I think about
some of the other applications

1351
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:13,200
big applications we've had. Let's see,
particularly the one in Milford Bay

1352
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:16,880
that the township ended up owning the
property.

1353
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:20,840
Um I think about what we went through
with some

1354
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:24,280
with Red Leaves.
And I think that

1355
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:28,800
we have in front of us an opportunity to
say, "Yeah, that's There are There are

1356
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:31,760
risks with this." Don't get me wrong,
but

1357
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:36,560
we have a partner and I'm going to call
it a partner because this is how this

1358
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:40,000
applicant has come across.
That

1359
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:47,160
they have demonstrated us they're
willing to work with the township.

1360
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:52,000
They have a vision to have
a world-class

1361
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:58,120
resort that draws people in. And the key
part to that is there the the re- the

1362
02:05:55,920 --> 02:06:02,000
the rebuilding of or the reestablishment
of the the wetland and building on it.

1363
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:05,840
And you just think about it. That was a
wetland at one time and then men

1364
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:08,640
destroyed it.
You know, the our biggest invasive

1365
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:11,600
species in the world went in and said,
"Hey, I want a golf or I want to do

1366
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:15,080
this. I want to build a parking lot."
And at that time there was no thought to

1367
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:19,640
it. And what we're doing is we're taking
it back

1368
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:23,800
to to before
settlers.

1369
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:29,120
And we're And then we're going to
respectfully build on it. So, I'm in

1370
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:34,680
full support at this time knowing that
there are risks, but also knowing that

1371
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:39,440
we can work those out. Now, the district
is another another

1372
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:45,200
group that's going to they're the they
have to approve this mostly, but I think

1373
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:49,360
again we the three groups the applicant,
the township, and the and the district

1374
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:52,880
can work together
and iron out the issues. So, that's my

1375
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:57,760
thoughts.
>> Councilor Edwards.

1376
02:06:55,480 --> 02:07:00,800
» Thank you. I was going to basically echo
that.

1377
02:06:59,320 --> 02:07:06,200
I could see if they were taking a
wetland and want to fill it and build.

1378
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:11,240
But when they're enhancing it and that
and putting an island in and everything

1379
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:16,040
else like that, I can support it. It is
unique. It's something different. I look

1380
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:19,960
at the alternative what was there before
and I wasn't happy with that. So, I

1381
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:24,600
think everybody has to be a little bit
unhappy and then everybody should be

1382
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:27,280
satisfied. So, I will be supporting
this. Thank you.

1383
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:31,800
» Councilor Kent.
>> I was just going to say that I thought

1384
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:35,360
that
Miss Grogan Green's comments this

1385
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:38,360
morning captured my thoughts really
really well and that

1386
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:44,800
we've been at this I will haven't been
at this for 8 years cuz I've only been

1387
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:49,240
on council for 3 and 1/2.
But

1388
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:54,560
this is a very good applicant who's been
done a very professional job

1389
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:58,720
of meeting and communicating with the
township and the planning staff.

1390
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:03,680
I think that the product that comes out
is a environmentally

1391
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:07,080
product. I think it's beautiful. Will
add to the community. And I think for me

1392
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:10,360
the most surprising thing was in the
last meeting where we had the public

1393
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:14,400
meeting. It was in
March.

1394
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:18,520
Where we had tons of people here.
I expected

1395
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:22,160
pushback from the community and what I
heard was

1396
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:26,720
I did not hear one person who pushed
back on the Minett development. To me,

1397
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:29,720
we're supposed to listen to the
constituents and the community. And I

1398
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:32,800
realize there's building code and I
realize there's

1399
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:36,400
provincial planning statements, but
the community is in full support of

1400
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:41,160
getting this done as fast as possible.
And I think that we need to listen to

1401
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:46,160
them. And the combination of Sherry's
comment I Sherry comment

1402
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:49,560
Miss Green's comments and the community
feedback pushed me over the edge which

1403
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:54,000
without any issue and I think it's
that's an important reminder. I think

1404
02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:57,920
it's a good a good builder
an honest

1405
02:08:56,440 --> 02:09:00,800
team of people working with the
community and I think that's the best

1406
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:06,600
you're going to get. We should be very
thankful that that person is here.

1407
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:06,600
Um anyway, that's my views. Thank you.

1408
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:13,520
» Okay, any more
discussion comments?

1409
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:18,840
Are we ready to vote?
All those in favor.

1410
02:09:16,440 --> 02:09:21,880
Any opposed?
Thank you. That carries.

1411
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:31,160
All right. So, the next topic

1412
02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:41,560
And Miss Crowder, the development with
the adjacent wetlands is included in the

1413
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:41,560
first resolution. Am I correct?

1414
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:48,240
» For you, Jared. Just one moment, please.

1415
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:59,680
So, the um item that was just voted on
is the development within the flood

1416
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:03,320
plain. So, the next item would be
development within the wetland and

1417
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:07,600
adjacent to the wetland.
>> And is that part of the requirement to

1418
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:10,240
amend the OP or is that just the bylaw?
>> That is a requirement to amend the

1419
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:12,600
official plan.
>> Okay.

1420
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:20,240
So, we have a proposal
and we have some comments from our staff

1421
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:25,720
on
the wetland.

1422
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:29,680
The main issue I think is whether we are
to allow

1423
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:33,360
depths up to 3 m. But there may be
others, Ms. Crowder, if you just maybe

1424
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:37,080
tell us what the key top points are on
that topic.

1425
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:41,240
» Through you, Chair. Um so, staff's
recommendation that now that we've dealt

1426
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:45,040
with the flooding issue, so we're
setting that aside, um

1427
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:49,720
staff's recommendation is that the
proposal to um

1428
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:53,440
build within and adjacent to the wetland
could be consistent with the provincial

1429
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:58,360
planning statement provided the
recommendations put forth by SLR be

1430
02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:04,320
implemented. And there were four main
recommendations. One has to do with the

1431
02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:08,480
depth of the wetland itself.
Another has to do with the riparian

1432
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:11,560
restoration plan.
The third is

1433
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:17,280
um
compensatory measures for critical fish

1434
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:23,880
habitat. And the fourth is restricting
guest access to the new wetland area. Um

1435
02:11:21,240 --> 02:11:27,400
so, I believe we've heard concurrence
from

1436
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:31,720
um the proponent. At least, you know,
there's some items that they think

1437
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:35,040
have differing opinions on when it comes
to the environmental professional's

1438
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:39,120
findings, which can be worked out
through the site plan control stage.

1439
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:47,840
However, I think the main ask from them
today is to permit um depths for

1440
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:52,800
dredging up to 3 m. Um staff's position
is that dredging should be restricted to

1441
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:56,600
2 m or less um in accordance with the
peer review

1442
02:11:54,160 --> 02:12:01,120
um done by SLR. Uh the peer review
document speaks to the significant

1443
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:05,360
difference in aquatic vegetation that
can survive in the different depth

1444
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:09,840
measurements.
Um and a big part of their determination

1445
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:15,120
that this could be consistent with PPS
is on that basis. So, ultimately the

1446
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:18,000
question falls to committee on what uh
what water depth you would be

1447
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:21,000
comfortable with.
>> Thank you very much. That was very

1448
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:24,480
clear. Counselor Zavitz.
>> Thank you. It's for you too, I guess,

1449
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:27,440
Mrs. Bustard, if I may.
Um

1450
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,880
the uh
if I may, Chair.

1451
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:34,480
» Yes.
>> Thank you. Um

1452
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:37,040
this notion of 3 m
and that seems to be a hard stop for

1453
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:42,760
you.
Um can you explain the difference in

1454
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:48,520
your minds between 2 and 3 m in terms of
your uh goal, your mission

1455
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:48,520
there?

1456
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:54,800
» The Our goal there is to obviously
deliver the vision that we have shown

1457
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:59,760
you in terms of creating a very robust,
diverse habitat within the wetlands. Um

1458
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:03,040
I I think all those different components
that we've discussed, the riparian

1459
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:07,560
restoration along the shoreline, the
expansion of the fish habitat, there's

1460
02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:10,760
naturalization of the channel, there's
uh introduction of new habitat for

1461
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:14,680
turtles, there's bat boxes, there's a
very, very detailed and thorough

1462
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:18,760
restoration and rehabilitation plan that
has been brought forward. Part of that

1463
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:22,560
is uh requiring that there is some
deeper area, specifically on the central

1464
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:26,600
uh around the island and opening to the
channel that would bring it down to

1465
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:30,760
roughly 3 m. But as I said to you
earlier, the the bulk of the area will

1466
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:34,920
probably be in that 2-m range. That is
going to have different kind of growth

1467
02:13:32,280 --> 02:13:39,840
and along the shoreline. Um but to have
that diversity in what we're trying to

1468
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:43,080
achieve and to have that uh environment
uh obviously not grow back immediately

1469
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:46,160
back into like a dense thicket like
you've seen before and obviously to

1470
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:49,680
justify the very, very significant
investment. I mean, when I said earlier

1471
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:52,640
2 to 3 million dollars here, the
totality of the investment on this

1472
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:56,560
property is being north of 200 million
dollars. Um for us to do that, we have

1473
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:59,880
to make sure that the wetland is
restored to the vision that we have and

1474
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:02,800
we think it is very, very important and
our engineers and our environmental

1475
02:14:01,480 --> 02:14:07,960
engineers believe that is totally
justifiable. Um so what we're asking for

1476
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:12,040
is your approval to proceed uh up to the
3 m. Uh but again, that won't be

1477
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:14,360
universally 3 m across the totality of
the wetland.

1478
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:16,760
» Councilor Zavitz.
>> Mayor, please. Thank you.

1479
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:21,800
» Uh
again to you, Paul. Um

1480
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:26,400
so, the 3 m isn't as I understand it
from your description recreational. It's

1481
02:14:25,240 --> 02:14:28,000
It's not recreational. It's
environmental.

1482
02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:30,520
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1483
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:35,440
» yes. But there There's going to be no
motorized vehicles or boats in this at

1484
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:38,560
all. Uh there might be canoes um and and
all that, but no, it's been not being

1485
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:41,800
driven. It's really from obviously
creating the the diversity of habitat

1486
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:44,160
that we're trying to achieve in that
area.

1487
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:52,120
» Councilor Mazin.
>> Uh thank you. Answer you. And again, I

1488
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:56,440
think I'm just trying to get the process
in my mind. If we've just done step one,

1489
02:14:54,840 --> 02:15:00,400
the flood plain, step two is the
wetland, just confirming that the other

1490
02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:06,360
three
um items that were recommended by the

1491
02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:10,240
environmental study would be handled
through site plan. I think I heard that.

1492
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:14,080
And then I want to come back to the
question I have on

1493
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:19,760
the the depth.
>> Through you, Chair. Um so, the other

1494
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:23,560
three items to Council Mazin, um
the riparian restoration plan would be

1495
02:15:21,560 --> 02:15:28,560
dealt with through site plan control.
The compensatory critical fish habitat

1496
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:32,040
um would also be dealt with through site
plan control. We kind of see a need for

1497
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:35,200
the
process between the environmental

1498
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:39,320
consultants to continue because there
are still some disagreements between the

1499
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:44,720
two sides. So, that does need to be
worked out. The fourth item, restricting

1500
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:48,680
guest guest access, would be a provision
that we would want included in the site

1501
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:55,640
plan agreement, but also the master
development agreement. I do wonder about

1502
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:59,920
that item because we're kind of hearing
that part of the use is going to be

1503
02:15:57,760 --> 02:16:04,120
recreational of the wetland feature, and
this sort of says

1504
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:05,880
that they will restrict that access.
So,

1505
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:11,720
um
maybe the proponent can speak to that.

1506
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:11,720
» Ms. Buster.

1507
02:16:13,480 --> 02:16:18,760
» Uh, what had been discussed with us
through the discussion points had been

1508
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:21,960
restricting motorized vehicles and
motorized boats, excuse me, and we are

1509
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:24,560
absolutely okay with that.
Um, obviously this is going to be in the

1510
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:27,680
heart and soul of the development. It's
going to be one of the the main

1511
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:31,720
locations stitching together the
village, the amphitheater, the tennis,

1512
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:34,920
the cabins. So, yes, there will be some
human activity, but I think it's also an

1513
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:38,200
opportunity. As I said before, one of
our aspirations that we have is

1514
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:42,200
education. You know, children and
families accessing the wetlands,

1515
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:46,679
learning about aquatic life, actually
experiencing it. There's amazing, um,

1516
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:49,519
obviously wetland restoration programs
throughout the world. You know,

1517
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:52,519
Brickworks in Toronto is an example
where it's it's an educational hub and

1518
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:55,760
it's used so that people can actually
learn about the environment as opposed

1519
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:59,559
to it being kind of a theoretical. That
is what we want it to be. So, if the

1520
02:16:57,559 --> 02:17:03,440
interpretation that staff has that
restricting use means that we do this

1521
02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:06,800
restoration, but nobody can go near it,
then we don't agree with that. But

1522
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:10,000
absolutely we agree that this is not
going to be a place for motorized boats.

1523
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:13,880
Um,
but I'm not sure where that distinction

1524
02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:18,240
is and and that's certainly not how we
read the SLR comments.

1525
02:17:15,960 --> 02:17:21,840
Um, but nonetheless, we we'll work on
the appropriate, obviously, measures to

1526
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:25,200
ensure that the environment is protected
throughout the life of the project.

1527
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:28,639
» Um, sorry, can I just say
>> Ms. Councillor Mast.

1528
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:34,679
» Sorry, I just wanted to thank you very
much and through you. Um, coming back

1529
02:17:30,679 --> 02:17:40,320
then to this 2 m 3 m thing. Um,
seems to be the the piece and given it

1530
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:46,920
seems like it's very, um, localized in
some cases. It's not this broad number.

1531
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:52,280
I'm asking, how do we capture that
appropriately in whatever we prove to

1532
02:17:49,960 --> 02:17:57,200
help kind of move this one forward so
that instead of it having to be this

1533
02:17:54,280 --> 02:18:00,960
broad statement.
>> Ms. Buster.

1534
02:17:58,120 --> 02:18:05,120
» If I may, the, uh, in our letter that I
submitted to you, we proposed the

1535
02:18:02,920 --> 02:18:09,120
wording um
and I go go to here. In order to create

1536
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:13,719
an open water wetland feature to a depth
of up to 3 m. And that would obviously

1537
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:17,200
give uh a lot of leeway for us to have
those uh detailed discussions with staff

1538
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:19,920
through the detailed design
um and obviously find the appropriate

1539
02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:23,920
measure. So, it's an acknowledgement
that it will kind of in some uh it'll go

1540
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:27,320
up to that depth, but it's certainly is
not a universal. So, uh that's the

1541
02:18:25,960 --> 02:18:31,679
wording that we proposed and we thought
was a balanced approach.

1542
02:18:29,639 --> 02:18:36,040
» Councillor Saunders.
So, through you again um

1543
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:39,920
not so much a question as a statement,
but I I think if you look and again is

1544
02:18:37,960 --> 02:18:43,679
it a a parable, I guess.
If you look at Blue Mountain Village and

1545
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:48,240
there's a lake there. This isn't a lake.
This is a As I understand it, it's a

1546
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:52,599
watercourse. It's part of
actually part of Lake Rousseau. So, it's

1547
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:57,880
it's fed by
and it's it's part of as opposed to a a

1548
02:18:55,719 --> 02:19:01,599
free-standing lake. And in that lake in
at Blue Mountain, there's paddle boats

1549
02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:05,480
and there's paddle boards. People aren't
swimming, but they're recreating.

1550
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:09,920
And I know for a fact that that is more
than 2 m

1551
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:14,000
to 3 m deep. And I guess just just uh as
an analogy, there's there's the water

1552
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:19,160
being used recreationally, but people
aren't swimming in it, but to the point

1553
02:19:15,880 --> 02:19:23,000
of this particular project um
there's a replenishment piece, I guess.

1554
02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:27,599
Is that through you? You know,
environmentally, is that not correct

1555
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:31,440
that the water is being
um

1556
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:35,320
infused with new water as flows and
everything goes. So, this is not

1557
02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:38,719
stagnant a stagnant lake. This is part
of Lake Rousseau.

1558
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:42,080
I just wanted to that extent. Maybe it's
a question more than a statement. Can

1559
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:46,480
you comment on that?
>> Through you, Chair. Um the water is

1560
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:49,000
connected, the waterway. So, this um
does flow

1561
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:52,640
um
as one with Lake Rousseau.

1562
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:57,480
Um I would say the wetland does that
today. The water flows through one into

1563
02:19:55,200 --> 02:20:03,080
the other. And um this would continue
that process. Yes, um

1564
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:03,080
Yeah.

1565
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:08,840
» I think Counselor Kents Counselor
Edwards Counselor Robert.

1566
02:20:07,960 --> 02:20:12,600
» Counselor Kent.
>> Uh, thank you. Just a quick question on

1567
02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:15,760
that water. I was thinking as you were
all talking about

1568
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:23,520
both the fact that it rises in the
spring and it goes down. I mean, my dock

1569
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:27,160
on Lake Joe, for example, shifts by at
least a meter

1570
02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:31,240
between
you know,

1571
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:35,920
July 1st and August 31st. And it's
already shifted almost that full meter

1572
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:40,920
this season. If it shifts, do we have
any data that shows does that mean that

1573
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:44,920
the 3 m is going to be now 1 and 1/2 and
the 1 m is going to be dry?

1574
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:49,480
Or 2 m stuff is going to be dry? Do we
have any data on what happens to that

1575
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:53,400
depth of depth of water in the
marshy area,

1576
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:56,720
um, as the waters rise and fall in the
season?

1577
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,720
» This cluster.

1578
02:20:57,880 --> 02:21:03,680
» Uh, the wetland has historically always
stayed uh,

1579
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:07,240
it never goes dry even in different
things, but there is it can be very

1580
02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:10,560
shallow in some sections right now cuz
it's been obviously years of a lot of

1581
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:13,360
sediment in there.
Um, something that you touched upon too,

1582
02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:16,280
there's improvements happening well
beyond just the restoration of the

1583
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:19,520
wetlands. We're doing the naturalization
of the channel and the water that's

1584
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:23,160
coming from the other side of Judd Haven
down through. So, we're improving the

1585
02:21:21,360 --> 02:21:26,800
flow of the water that's going to come
through. Obviously, the improvements to

1586
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:29,600
the wastewater facility is going to be
changing the nutrient load that's going

1587
02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:33,200
into the wetland which is going to be a
net positive to the environment as well.

1588
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:36,680
Um, and one of the reasons for the depth
as well is making sure that we are

1589
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:39,920
continuing that flow through the wetland
into the lake so that the water doesn't

1590
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:43,880
become stagnant which again will have a
domino effect of improving the aquatic

1591
02:21:41,720 --> 02:21:47,400
health in there. Uh, right now with the
there's it's overloaded quite with the

1592
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:50,640
nutrient load and with the and with the
the thicket that a lot of it is being

1593
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:54,640
stifled. A lot of the environmental
benefits in there are being stifled.

1594
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:58,800
Um so it never goes dry. With our depth
there will be some fluctuation um

1595
02:21:56,720 --> 02:22:04,480
absolutely um but it has not
historically been a dry wetland.

1596
02:22:01,960 --> 02:22:07,760
» Councillor Edwards.
>> Yes uh is that too too too much of a

1597
02:22:06,840 --> 02:22:12,080
burden?
Uh

1598
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:15,920
I can envision this being tapered. It's
not just going to go in and drop down.

1599
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:19,280
So it it's going to be
>> Absolutely.

1600
02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:22,560
» approximately what percentage that you
would be using? Like

1601
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:26,400
I've seen where where where they'll
they'll put a building envelope on it.

1602
02:22:24,440 --> 02:22:29,880
Could you maybe lay it out for staff
that this is what your your your plan

1603
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:33,720
is?
>> In terms of the locations of the the

1604
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:36,600
deepest portions?
Uh I don't want to make a number up

1605
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:39,960
right now so I don't have it cuz the
detailed design has not been done but

1606
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:42,720
you are correct there'll be varying
depths throughout the wetland and

1607
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:47,200
that'll be detailed through the
restoration plan into the detailed

1608
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:52,800
design. Um
>> Yeah I was going to say

1609
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:52,800
» Uh can I ask our head of construction?

1610
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:58,120
» So just echo what Paulo was saying as
well with the flow and to get the right

1611
02:22:56,680 --> 02:23:02,080
flows through the detailed design there
will be an analysis done of the channels

1612
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:05,520
and where it actually implements the
best flow for the water moving through

1613
02:23:04,120 --> 02:23:09,240
it. So there will be deeper sections
which will inhabit and and accelerate

1614
02:23:07,960 --> 02:23:14,320
some of the flow and then the shallower
sections which won't which all ties back

1615
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:19,160
to the environmental impact.
>> We'll just add the the aspirations to

1616
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:23,120
obviously facilitate the different plant
growths within the wetlands are being

1617
02:23:20,840 --> 02:23:26,680
achieved um in different sections of the
wetland and that has been a big part of

1618
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:30,920
our restoration plan and it's in the net
benefit as part as well. So it's not

1619
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:34,960
I would just like to say it's not an
either or. You know permitting the

1620
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:39,440
depths up to 3 m isn't negating the the
plant and aquatic life that's being

1621
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:42,840
asked for by by the SLR and by staff.
We're asking for basically a combination

1622
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:46,280
to obviously see the vision that we're
bringing forward. So uh we we think the

1623
02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:50,600
vision can be uh successfully
implemented with the ability to have

1624
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:51,840
some leeway to go up to 3 m in some
locations.

1625
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:55,560
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1626
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:55,560
» Councillor Roberts.

1627
02:23:57,480 --> 02:24:01,400
» Thank you, Chair, and through to you
with a comment.

1628
02:24:00,320 --> 02:24:04,760
Um
the word recreation is not appropriate

1629
02:24:03,320 --> 02:24:09,040
in this case.
It's educational.

1630
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:14,480
And it's experience.
And you're not going to have uh people I

1631
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:18,880
I believe, correct me if I'm wrong,
we're not going to have people with

1632
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:23,240
floaties or
out there trying to swim in the swamp.

1633
02:24:21,560 --> 02:24:26,440
Sorry for that word.
We're going to have something that I see

1634
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:30,080
my
see my grandchildren.

1635
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:34,240
You know, they're after like my my
8-year-old grandchild wants a a pair of

1636
02:24:32,600 --> 02:24:38,600
microscope.
So, she can look at the bugs and that

1637
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:43,000
that are and I see that type of habitat.
So, I'm thinking that

1638
02:24:40,440 --> 02:24:48,080
that um
we could maybe put a a little definition

1639
02:24:46,200 --> 02:24:53,200
around
what recreation means within this area.

1640
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:59,640
And what the
the the applicant or would would would

1641
02:24:57,080 --> 02:25:03,720
try to enforce or monitor, ensure that
it happens. They talk they talk about it

1642
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:07,440
being educational. And I think it's a
great educational thing for the people

1643
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:12,440
that have never seen this.
So, there's my comments.

1644
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:16,120
» Councillor Zavitz and Councillor
>> Thank you, Chair, and you to again to

1645
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:21,160
Paul. I guess in terms of the word
recreation, um

1646
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:25,520
why do I envision this skating in the
winter months? Is that something that

1647
02:25:23,560 --> 02:25:30,000
you will do on here? Will that it will
freeze and become

1648
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:33,400
I do see it being recreational to quite
honest, it's a centerpiece. Am I

1649
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:38,000
wrong?
>> Uh we see it being obviously a

1650
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:41,840
centerpiece of of I think education and
aesthetics and and functionality. I I've

1651
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:45,240
never had a discussion about a skating
rink. I don't know if the flows if it

1652
02:25:43,160 --> 02:25:47,720
would freeze over. I'm happy to take
that back and if there was an

1653
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:50,880
aspiration, we will absolutely look at
that.

1654
02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:55,080
Um but we I can honestly say we haven't
had that discussion yet. I will just add

1655
02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:59,200
one thing in terms of kind of debating
the depth. There's There's What we're

1656
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:02,320
trying to do here is obviously create a
new

1657
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:06,360
a new and improved situation that has a
diversity of aquatic life as I said and

1658
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:09,440
plant life. The deeper dredging in some
locations actually facilitate the

1659
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:12,720
ability for larger fish as well. So it's
a trade-off. You might have in some

1660
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:16,720
locations not as much plant but you have
more fish habitat. So again, I don't

1661
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:19,920
ever want this to be seen as an either
or. It's just a trade-off the type of

1662
02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:22,920
life that you're creating in there in
terms of the environment.

1663
02:26:21,560 --> 02:26:27,160
But we will absolutely take that back
and if there's an opportunity for winter

1664
02:26:25,800 --> 02:26:29,520
activations, we would certainly look at
that.

1665
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:36,400
» Councillor McIntyre and then Councillor
Mazin.

1666
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:43,640
» Okay. Um
this is close to my heart because

1667
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:49,640
I really like and appreciate swamps.
Swamps are the most productive ecosystem

1668
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:54,680
we have in our world because energy is
just constantly moving and constantly

1669
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:58,840
creating.
What we're doing here is we're taking a

1670
02:26:56,400 --> 02:27:04,240
swamp and we're making it into a
wetland. And as long as we're clear that

1671
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:08,960
that's what we're doing, okay.
But we are losing what we had as a swamp

1672
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:13,320
and we're losing that ecosystem and
we're losing the energy that goes with

1673
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:18,120
that ecosystem.
I really

1674
02:27:15,320 --> 02:27:23,480
appreciated um
the analysis that was done in the report

1675
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:27,480
from SLR about the difference between a
swamp and a wetland and what we would

1676
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:33,200
have to do if we're going to go ahead
with this, how how we would have to

1677
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:39,040
amend the process so that we can retain
the aspects of the swamp.

1678
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:42,440
» Councillor Mazin.
>> Okay, thank you. It turned

1679
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:46,640
» You have one comment and then kind of a
question as to process just to get I

1680
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:52,440
think the discussion focused again on
the one the three meter piece.

1681
02:27:49,960 --> 02:27:57,320
I'm just going back to
Ms. Crowder's report, page 11 of the

1682
02:27:54,400 --> 02:28:05,400
report where it talks about the four
pieces of or four recommendations that

1683
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:09,400
came from the SR SLR
recommendations and the fourth one

1684
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:14,680
specifically says, "Restrict guest
access to the new wetland area to ensure

1685
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:19,600
disturbance to this area is minimized.
To this end, no motorized access should

1686
02:28:17,640 --> 02:28:22,840
be allowed and fishing activity in the
new wetland area needs to be strictly

1687
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:27,200
controlled during all times of the
year." So, I think there's some already

1688
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:31,280
some guided by
the environmental expert. They've

1689
02:28:29,440 --> 02:28:34,880
already
given some guidance as to what that

1690
02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:39,320
would look like and feel like. So, I'm
somewhat satisfied with that piece.

1691
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:43,840
I think what I'd like to know is how do
we advance the discussion and get some

1692
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:47,640
conclusion on the
the the

1693
02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:51,600
the number one piece, which is that
three meters. Do we need to have a

1694
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:56,960
another motion put forward or is this an
amendment or how do we get

1695
02:28:54,120 --> 02:29:01,000
that to be the conversation?
Ms. Crowder.

1696
02:28:58,920 --> 02:29:05,160
» Through you, Chair, to Council Mazin.
So, the way that

1697
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:10,400
the
report or or the recommendation the

1698
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:16,000
resolution was read was to require the
implementation of SLR's recommendations,

1699
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:20,800
which stipulates the two meter depth.
So, if this committee wishes to permit a

1700
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:25,480
depth greater than two meters, we would
need a revised

1701
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:25,480
resolution.

1702
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:31,960
» CEO Pink.
>> Thank you. Just for clarity though, that

1703
02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:35,520
that is the zoning amendment resolution
that coming next. Right now, we're

1704
02:29:33,640 --> 02:29:39,360
still, I think, considering the official
plan amendment. That's the tabled

1705
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:42,560
resolution to amend the official plan.
As we heard from both the, uh, delegate,

1706
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:44,920
Miss Crowder,
um, these matters could be dealt with

1707
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:49,000
through site plan and the holding
provision. Um, and that, uh, revision

1708
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:54,240
could be considered when we consider the
next zoning amendment resolution.

1709
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:59,800
» So, is it fair to say then that we don't
need a reser- resolution at this point?

1710
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:02,920
» Not at this point. I think, again, if we
could provide, uh, clear direction to

1711
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:06,600
staff, we can have the resolution
prepared if that's the, uh,

1712
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:09,800
when we get to the resolution, at the
zoning amendment resolution.

1713
02:30:11,960 --> 02:30:18,680
» So, should we should hold We should hold
the vote until we get to the bylaw?

1714
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:22,600
CAO Pink?
>> Yeah.

1715
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,600
» Right.

1716
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:30,160
Councillor Mazin?
>> Perhaps I'm getting confused, but now,

1717
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:33,480
um, I understand, uh, what staff CAO
Pink was just walking us through, but

1718
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:37,520
I'm just not not clear as to what our
next step needs to be as it relates to

1719
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:39,880
the wetland on the OP then.
What

1720
02:30:37,840 --> 02:30:44,800
» Let me ask Miss Crowder a question. Of
the other items that we have on the list

1721
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:44,800
that you sent me,

1722
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:51,080
are they to be addressed
in the OP or in the bylaw?

1723
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:58,760
» Through you, Chair. Um,
I'm also slightly confused, so I'm going

1724
02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:02,440
to defer to CAO Pink, but there are,
like, the the flood plain, the wetland

1725
02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:07,000
piece, and the front yard setback. Those
are all amendments to the official plan,

1726
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:10,440
but it sounds like we have tabled the
official plan amendment piece, but I'm

1727
02:31:09,240 --> 02:31:14,640
going to defer to
>> CAO Pink, can you help us here?

1728
02:31:13,240 --> 02:31:19,000
» Sorry, I think I might have caused more
confusion than I apologize. It's perhaps

1729
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:22,560
just the old planning principles that we
deal with official plan first, then

1730
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:26,000
zoning. So, I was strictly speaking just
from a procedural process of the

1731
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:29,160
resolutions before you. Right now, the
resolution that's been tabled is an

1732
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:33,080
official plan amendment. As you heard
from Ms. Crowder and Ms. Bustard, uh the

1733
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:36,760
change I think that's being requested uh
would be in the next resolution uh to

1734
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:39,040
consider with respect to the zoning. So,
it'll be dealt with at the site plan

1735
02:31:37,880 --> 02:31:44,360
stage.
Uh again, um if committee could give us

1736
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:47,200
some indication of whether uh
we're comfortable with the revised

1737
02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:50,440
wording that's been requested, then
staff can prepare the amended resolution

1738
02:31:49,320 --> 02:31:52,760
when it comes to that point in the
meeting.

1739
02:31:51,480 --> 02:31:56,320
So, I think that's really the decision
before you.

1740
02:31:53,920 --> 02:32:01,320
Um sorry to confuse it. Um
again, we can make the necessary changes

1741
02:31:58,040 --> 02:32:09,120
if we get an indication from committee.
>> Uh I think Does that Does that mean that

1742
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:09,120
we should be moving on to the bylaw now?

1743
02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:12,640
» No.

1744
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:17,280
No,
and again, sorry to confuse. I think

1745
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:21,240
you're going through sort of six main
issues. I think we continue to work

1746
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:24,480
through those, uh get indication on each
of those, and then staff will prepare

1747
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:28,520
the resolutions as necessary depending
on what you decide on each.

1748
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:32,640
» How do we do it without having a
resolution?

1749
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:37,040
» We can do formal resolutions on each if
you if you wish. We can do that as well.

1750
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:42,920
» So, we could have a formal resolution on
whether we accept uh up to 3 ft.

1751
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:42,920
meters

1752
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:51,400
» Through you, chair, if I may.
>> Yeah.

1753
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:56,520
» I think I understand the the
recommendation to implement the

1754
02:32:52,840 --> 02:33:03,000
recommendations of SLR is as part of the
holding provision under the zoning

1755
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:07,120
application. So, that is why Ms. CAO
Pink rightfully pointed out that we'll

1756
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:10,760
deal with that amendment at that time.
But, what we are looking for from

1757
02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:14,800
committee right now is whether you are
supportive of amending the official plan

1758
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:18,800
to permit development within and
adjacent to the flood plain, and then we

1759
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:23,440
would deal or sorry, the wetland, and
then we'll deal with the depth amendment

1760
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:28,720
at a later time, but it would be good if
you could give us an indication on your

1761
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:28,720
supporter or not.

1762
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:32,920
» So, that would mean Councilor Masson.

1763
02:33:35,880 --> 02:33:43,760
So, that I think
Can you suggest if we were in favor

1764
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:50,960
of
3 m versus 2, what would the what would

1765
02:33:47,080 --> 02:33:50,960
the resolution be at this moment?

1766
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:57,800
» Through you, Chair. The resolution at
this moment is whether to permit the

1767
02:33:55,520 --> 02:34:01,600
development in the flood in the wetland
or adjacent to the wetland

1768
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:05,400
as a whole.
And then we would deal with the depth

1769
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:10,320
through the zoning component of the
application. Or, if committee wanted to

1770
02:34:08,120 --> 02:34:14,600
be clear and deal with it all right now,
we could have a resolution drawn up that

1771
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:19,720
states that
committee in endorse or not development

1772
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:23,640
within and adjacent to the wetland
provided this be the depth.

1773
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:27,360
» All right. I think that sounds very
good. Thank you. Councilor Masson.

1774
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:31,440
» I would put forward the motion to
capture whatever

1775
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:34,880
was just said there if somebody would
second. Well, that's what this is a

1776
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:38,200
logical flow. We have to make that
decision.

1777
02:34:36,320 --> 02:34:39,880
» All right.
>> Thank you.

1778
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:43,880
» All right. So, we will let the brain
trust write this up for us.

1779
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:50,240
So, another give us another probably
minimum 5 minutes.

1780
02:44:05,400 --> 02:44:09,920
» Committee, if we could uh sit down.

1781
02:44:16,400 --> 02:44:21,600
I'm going to blame Robert's Rules of
Order for this.

1782
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:25,600
Um
if the committee

1783
02:44:23,360 --> 02:44:31,280
so we're dealing with development in the
wetland. If the committee

1784
02:44:28,440 --> 02:44:34,320
is happy with allowing development in
the wetland

1785
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:39,840
then we don't have to do anything
because that's what

1786
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:43,920
the applicant has applied to do. If we
don't want to have development in the

1787
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:48,960
wetland, then we need a resolution to
say so.

1788
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:55,240
With respect to the 3 m, we will deal
with that in the bylaw.

1789
02:44:52,280 --> 02:45:01,480
All right? So So there So the debate
right now is anybody on committee want

1790
02:44:58,440 --> 02:45:05,080
to propose a resolution to not allow
development in the wetland.

1791
02:45:05,880 --> 02:45:10,320
Okay.
No, we don't need anything. There's no

1792
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:15,080
resolution.
All right, so there's no

1793
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,080
Right.

1794
02:45:17,160 --> 02:45:22,320
» Um
Uh

1795
02:45:20,840 --> 02:45:26,120
Ms. Crowder,
uh front yard setbacks and vegetative

1796
02:45:24,920 --> 02:45:33,200
buffer.
That also is part of the OP.

1797
02:45:30,880 --> 02:45:37,000
And I think it's the same sort of
position, I would think. If we

1798
02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:44,480
I'll let you explain it.
>> Through you, Chair. Yes, so the official

1799
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:49,680
plan OPA 56 includes provisions that
speak to required front yard setbacks

1800
02:45:46,760 --> 02:45:54,200
and requirement for vegetative buffers.
So the applicant has applied to amend

1801
02:45:51,680 --> 02:46:00,320
those sections of the official plan.
Staff, flood plain issues aside, I'm

1802
02:45:57,280 --> 02:46:04,560
just put that caveat, are um
supportive of the proposed amendment

1803
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:08,840
provided the um
provided a site-specific schedule is

1804
02:46:06,520 --> 02:46:13,800
added to the amendment that specifies
the exact extent location and extent of

1805
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:17,600
buildings and structures that are within
that required setback, so it wouldn't be

1806
02:46:15,440 --> 02:46:22,360
a blanket permission for a zero-foot
setback. And also vegetative buffers

1807
02:46:20,440 --> 02:46:27,440
would only be permitted to be reduced in
specific extents and locations.

1808
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:32,000
Um this is already written into staff's
recommendation. So if committee is on

1809
02:46:30,440 --> 02:46:36,840
board with that approach, we don't need
to do any kind of resolutions right now.

1810
02:46:34,880 --> 02:46:40,200
However, if committee disagrees and
would like to see something different,

1811
02:46:38,520 --> 02:46:44,320
then we would look to you to put a
motion on the on the floor.

1812
02:46:42,920 --> 02:46:48,160
Thank you very much. All right,
committee, was it was Did everybody

1813
02:46:45,960 --> 02:46:53,880
understand that?
Good. So, is there any desire

1814
02:46:51,360 --> 02:47:00,080
to have things other than what Ms.
Crowder has told us about having a

1815
02:46:56,360 --> 02:47:02,600
specific um uh attachment that says
where

1816
02:47:02,760 --> 02:47:09,240
where the setback can be minimized and
how much setback there can be.

1817
02:47:09,320 --> 02:47:11,840
All right.

1818
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:18,400
So, I think
we've agreed with that. All right.

1819
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:25,680
The next item is timing of construction
and sequencing of relative to the

1820
02:47:23,440 --> 02:47:31,480
wastewater treatment.
Ms. Crowder, walk us through that.

1821
02:47:28,920 --> 02:47:35,840
» Through you, Chair. Um this is more so
just a It's not an official plan

1822
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:40,520
amendment, um but it is sort of a big
component of the proposal and an ask of

1823
02:47:38,360 --> 02:47:44,280
the applicant that the development of
the treatment plant be permitted to

1824
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:49,160
occur concurrently with development of
buildings and structures. We have gone

1825
02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:52,760
over um the risks that are involved with
that and the precautionary measures that

1826
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:57,320
are being taken in the form of the
conditions put into the resolution

1827
02:47:54,800 --> 02:48:02,040
before you. Um so, this is just sort of
an opportunity for committee to voice

1828
02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:06,960
their opinions on this matter, and if
anybody were to have concerns, um you

1829
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:11,800
could propose um
any kind of amendments at this point.

1830
02:48:08,840 --> 02:48:16,600
» So, again, as as with the previous two,
if committee

1831
02:48:13,360 --> 02:48:19,080
wanted the treatment plant built ahead
of the development, we would have to

1832
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:21,040
have a resolution
>> That's right.

1833
02:48:19,480 --> 02:48:22,560
» changing that. Otherwise, we leave it as
it is.

1834
02:48:21,720 --> 02:48:25,280
» That's right.
>> Mayor Kelly.

1835
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:29,400
» Thank [clears throat] you, and through
you. I I um

1836
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:32,920
just one quick comment first. You said
ahead of the development. I think it's

1837
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:36,560
concurrent, isn't it, really?
>> No, what I was saying that is that if we

1838
02:48:34,680 --> 02:48:41,520
didn't
we didn't like them being concurrent and

1839
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:46,320
wanted to go back to
uh the process where the has to be built

1840
02:48:43,880 --> 02:48:47,280
first, then we would need a resolution.
>> Okay.

1841
02:48:46,600 --> 02:48:49,040
» Fair enough.
>> Fair enough.

1842
02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:51,400
» Uh that's fine, yeah.
>> Okay.

1843
02:48:55,480 --> 02:49:03,360
All right, so I don't see any at
um appetite for a resolution.

1844
02:49:01,800 --> 02:49:08,920
The next item on our list is staff
housing, Ms. Crowder.

1845
02:49:06,040 --> 02:49:15,640
» Uh through you, Chair. So, staff housing
is a component that is listed within OPA

1846
02:49:11,880 --> 02:49:20,400
56 as being required um in the initial
phase of of development to support um

1847
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:24,120
the
um employment opportunities that would

1848
02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:27,640
be um
produced from the wellness center and

1849
02:49:25,800 --> 02:49:34,320
the other restaurants and buildings that
are proposed. Um the applicant is

1850
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:38,600
proposing that instead of staff housing
being built in the phase one lands that

1851
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:44,800
they utilize the existing Cleveland's
House buildings and facilities to house

1852
02:49:41,160 --> 02:49:50,560
staff until such time as they um do
build specific staff housing buildings

1853
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:54,200
as part of a future phase.
Um staff have recommended that within

1854
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:59,520
the master development agreement, a
provision be included which um states

1855
02:49:56,560 --> 02:50:05,640
that the owner agrees and um
a well, agrees to develop staff housing

1856
02:50:02,480 --> 02:50:09,360
in future phase um plans.
And

1857
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:12,360
they we've um discussed this with the
proponent and they have agreed to that.

1858
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:16,200
So, um
the resolution as written before you

1859
02:50:14,280 --> 02:50:20,160
today includes all of that
recommendation. So, if you are all in

1860
02:50:18,680 --> 02:50:25,360
agreement, um you don't need to do
anything, but if anybody has any

1861
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:25,360
concerns, you could raise those now.

1862
02:50:25,480 --> 02:50:27,920
» Committee?

1863
02:50:30,480 --> 02:50:35,200
Next item is the height of proposed
buildings.

1864
02:50:35,480 --> 02:50:45,800
» Through you, Chair. Um so, there within
OPA 56, it does stipulate um that height

1865
02:50:41,800 --> 02:50:52,720
of building should not exceed 16 m.
I think it's 16. Um, and however, that

1866
02:50:49,320 --> 02:50:57,600
there is some leeway for prominent um
buildings or structures

1867
02:50:54,520 --> 02:51:00,038
to create a sense of um
I don't remember the exact words. I

1868
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:04,800
don't want to get it wrong.
>> [laughter]

1869
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:09,280
» Um, but there are um four buildings and
structures proposed as part of the

1870
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:14,120
development which do exceed that height.
Um, staff acknowledge that the official

1871
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:18,920
plan amendment OPA 56 is largely
supportive of this. Um, there is one

1872
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:23,480
building that we did just want to get
committee's um

1873
02:51:20,760 --> 02:51:30,240
temperature on is which is the viewing
tower. It is proposed to be 121 ft in

1874
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:35,680
height. Um, and just for reference, uh
the typical mono pine that you see in

1875
02:51:32,440 --> 02:51:40,520
the community is 100 ft. So this is this
would be the most prominent building on

1876
02:51:37,640 --> 02:51:44,800
the lake. So we did just want to
um flag this for committee, and if you

1877
02:51:42,760 --> 02:51:48,200
do wish to see a reduction in that
height, now would be the time to

1878
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:52,760
um
to let us know that.

1879
02:51:50,760 --> 02:51:56,120
» Scrader, can you
um

1880
02:51:53,920 --> 02:52:01,560
tell us what the the dimensions of it
are other than the height of

1881
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:01,560
I think it was

1882
02:52:01,720 --> 02:52:06,680
So 15 by 15 ft roughly.

1883
02:52:07,680 --> 02:52:11,720
» And could we just find out
are there stairs inside to take that

1884
02:52:11,280 --> 02:52:16,120
walk?
>> Kent.

1885
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:16,120
» Are there stairs inside?

1886
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:22,040
» Obviously.
>> I mean, this is an architectural feature

1887
02:52:20,360 --> 02:52:25,520
as is I'm Manuela McLaughlin in terms of
creating the topography of the village.

1888
02:52:23,960 --> 02:52:28,600
Uh there will be some stairs inside.
Whether it's access to the general

1889
02:52:27,320 --> 02:52:32,840
public, I I don't know if that's been
determined. I will just say on the

1890
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:36,360
height, please also remember the very,
very substantial grade differences

1891
02:52:34,320 --> 02:52:39,520
between us and the JW Marriott that sits
up on the hill. So, when you talk about

1892
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:43,280
the height as being the highest on the
lake, you also have to consider the

1893
02:52:41,240 --> 02:52:46,080
established grade. It'll be dwarfed
compared to when you turn into the bay

1894
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:49,840
and you see the JW Marriott up on the
hill. So, from a from an aesthetics

1895
02:52:48,360 --> 02:52:53,160
point of view, it's going to be quite
modest and and it's a very, very small

1896
02:52:51,760 --> 02:52:56,629
feature that's just going to add to the
architectural language of the village.

1897
02:52:55,560 --> 02:53:00,280
Thank you.
>> [laughter]

1898
02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:05,040
» All right, uh Counselor Kent.
>> I guess just to follow up, I was

1899
02:53:01,800 --> 02:53:10,920
wondering if if it isn't for
people to walk in and see the view,

1900
02:53:07,800 --> 02:53:10,920
what's the point of it?

1901
02:53:11,720 --> 02:53:14,680
» Uh thank you very much.
>> Mr.

1902
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:16,840
» Uh if you look at the totality of the
renderings, I don't think we brought

1903
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:20,360
them back up. You can just see it. See
the architectural language up there of

1904
02:53:18,120 --> 02:53:24,000
creating some visual points. Obviously,
one of the starting points when uh our

1905
02:53:22,360 --> 02:53:27,200
architect Neil uh McLaughlin was looking
at it was that view. I know when I sat

1906
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:30,960
on the steering committee, we talked
about the view from the canoe. So, the

1907
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:34,920
uh the intent for the cabins was really
to nestle them in the into the trees.

1908
02:53:33,160 --> 02:53:38,120
They really disappear. And then you have
that one moment when you turn into the

1909
02:53:36,520 --> 02:53:41,920
bay and you see the village and a lot of
natural materials. And obviously, Abby's

1910
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:46,120
Bakery that sits there now, we want to
replace the uh the steeple. And so, we

1911
02:53:44,240 --> 02:53:50,240
saw the steeple, the chimney, and the
tower feature just creating these three

1912
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:54,200
vertical elements that kind of create uh
articulation uh on that view corridor

1913
02:53:52,440 --> 02:53:58,240
with obviously the sloped roofs and the
natural materials there. So, it's an

1914
02:53:56,360 --> 02:54:02,520
it's a decision from an architectural
point of view. Um and we think that it

1915
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:05,840
adds to kind of the uh creating a
placemaking. Thank you.

1916
02:54:08,280 --> 02:54:11,600
» Committee, any other questions?

1917
02:54:14,040 --> 02:54:21,640
Um it's kind of remind me if we are
happy with the

1918
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:25,000
151 ft we
>> Through you, Chair. Um 121 ft.

1919
02:54:24,120 --> 02:54:30,320
» Sorry, 121, yeah.
>> Um so, if committee is okay with that

1920
02:54:29,160 --> 02:54:34,640
number,
um, then we don't need to do anything.

1921
02:54:33,240 --> 02:54:39,760
If committee wanted to change that
number, that would be an item to deal

1922
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:43,440
with at the zoning bylaw stage of of
things.

1923
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:50,400
» We could leave that or we can get a
general sense, um, here.

1924
02:54:46,880 --> 02:54:54,320
Would anybody be wanting to make a
amendment to not allow 121 feet?

1925
02:54:53,440 --> 02:54:59,400
Counselor Zavitz.
>> If I might just a question picking up on

1926
02:54:56,000 --> 02:55:04,080
the mono pine comment. Is that is a mono
pine 100 feet self-induced? I mean, is

1927
02:55:02,240 --> 02:55:09,480
that the height of the mechanical piece
of this whole thing or is that a height

1928
02:55:06,760 --> 02:55:12,320
that has been decided by us that that's
where

1929
02:55:10,400 --> 02:55:16,200
we won't see or is that a tree line? So,
I'm I'm just interested in the

1930
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:20,560
juxtaposition of that.
>> Ms. Crowder.

1931
02:55:18,480 --> 02:55:27,040
» Through you chair.
Mono pines, they typically build them in

1932
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:31,760
two or three specific heights and it's
because they provide different functions

1933
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:37,520
at those different heights. In Muskoka
Lakes, we've typically seen 100 feet one

1934
02:55:35,320 --> 02:55:40,840
ones. They do go higher, but the ones
that we have seen come forward are

1935
02:55:38,760 --> 02:55:45,880
typically that 100 feet. It is above the
tree line. You can see them poking up.

1936
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:45,880
» Okay.

1937
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,360
Any other comments?

1938
02:55:50,680 --> 02:56:00,680
All right.
The last one on our list is the parking.

1939
02:55:58,400 --> 02:56:05,400
Ms. Crowder.
>> Through you chair.

1940
02:56:02,160 --> 02:56:10,320
So, the proposal before committee,
when compared to our zoning bylaw

1941
02:56:08,200 --> 02:56:13,800
requirements for parking, the proposed
parking supply is deficient

1942
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:18,920
um
by a significant amount.

1943
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:24,920
The
traffic impact assessment originally

1944
02:56:21,360 --> 02:56:32,680
contemplated all just under 400 spaces.
However, at as things progressed, the

1945
02:56:28,480 --> 02:56:36,640
design changed to provide 171 spaces
on-site,

1946
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:40,520
um which the traffic engineer still says
is acceptable, um

1947
02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:45,320
keeping in mind that the peer review
process of that is still ongoing. But, I

1948
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:51,440
think staff acknowledged that the
particular property owner owns many of

1949
02:56:48,120 --> 02:56:56,200
the surrounding lands. So, we're not
concerned with that parking supply not

1950
02:56:53,760 --> 02:57:00,640
being provided on the subject lands, so
long as parking is provided as this

1951
02:56:59,240 --> 02:57:04,520
develops.
Um so, we are recommending that a

1952
02:57:02,040 --> 02:57:09,960
provision be included within the master
development agreement that they owner

1953
02:57:06,480 --> 02:57:14,640
agrees to provide that parking as
development progresses. Um so, if

1954
02:57:13,440 --> 02:57:17,560
committee is comfortable with that
approach,

1955
02:57:15,960 --> 02:57:22,120
um we don't need to do anything right
now, but if committee is concerned, then

1956
02:57:21,000 --> 02:57:25,000
you know, let us know.
>> Chair Kelly.

1957
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:30,160
Thank you and through you. Just uh for
clarification, uh Ms. Crowder, on that

1958
02:57:27,280 --> 02:57:34,320
last one, the parking that that is
provided that's not on the subject lands

1959
02:57:32,360 --> 02:57:39,200
has to be on land
co-owned or or owned by the same

1960
02:57:36,840 --> 02:57:42,867
uh owner? And you can't you can't rent
land? I There's a reason I'm asking this

1961
02:57:41,480 --> 02:57:44,720
question, and it's not here
[clears throat] now, but it will be. Ms.

1962
02:57:44,320 --> 02:57:47,480
Crowder.
>> Yeah.

1963
02:57:45,640 --> 02:57:53,360
Through you, Chair. Um yes, it would
need to be owned by the proponent um to

1964
02:57:51,480 --> 02:57:57,360
be attributed to this situation, and
there is a provision in the zoning bylaw

1965
02:57:55,760 --> 02:58:01,760
that stipulates that the lands have to
be within a certain distance of of the

1966
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:05,840
property.
Um so, that would be an expectation as

1967
02:58:03,480 --> 02:58:05,840
well.

1968
02:58:06,520 --> 02:58:11,080
» Right, Committee.
Uh Councillor Berry.

1969
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:15,000
» Uh thank you and through you. I'm just
going to make a a comment to the

1970
02:58:12,520 --> 02:58:20,280
planners because this is not like
everywhere else. Um there's a huge

1971
02:58:17,800 --> 02:58:26,480
proportion of the
the the uh habitants

1972
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:32,440
um, of of the the uh the township that
would likely come if they're day

1973
02:58:29,000 --> 02:58:37,800
tripping to the community come by boat.
Um, and they're not parking their car,

1974
02:58:35,160 --> 02:58:42,240
they're going to park their boat. So,
I'm I'm just want to make sure that the

1975
02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:46,320
the planners have thought about this is
a little different

1976
02:58:43,720 --> 02:58:50,840
um, and it it's it's not going to have
the same kinds of requirements. There

1977
02:58:48,280 --> 02:58:56,240
are many people that come for the you
know, that are here seasonally

1978
02:58:53,000 --> 02:59:00,760
um, that avoid their car at all costs.
Hop in a boat to go anywhere. And so, I

1979
02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:04,360
think we need to make sure that that's
that's taken into account especially for

1980
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:07,640
the the the village where we're we're
apt to see some fairly, you know, local

1981
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:11,200
traffic.
>> Ms. Crowder.

1982
02:59:09,720 --> 02:59:17,280
» Sorry, through you chair, I might to
counselor Berry. Yes, that is definitely

1983
02:59:14,320 --> 02:59:22,760
um, a consideration that we have and the
zoning bylaw actually allows us to

1984
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:29,800
account for boat parking from the
required parking calculations. In this

1985
02:59:25,560 --> 02:59:34,680
case, the number of boat slips is not
solidly known at this point because the

1986
02:59:32,320 --> 02:59:39,000
detailed design hasn't been carried out.
So, the exact number that can be

1987
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:45,000
accounted for isn't um, isn't known at
this time. However, as those details

1988
02:59:42,360 --> 02:59:49,640
come out, if we'll have a greater sense
for how many spaces are being provided

1989
02:59:46,680 --> 02:59:52,920
on the water versus how many on land and
um,

1990
02:59:50,280 --> 02:59:57,560
we can proceed from that point.
>> Counselor Roberts.

1991
02:59:55,920 --> 03:00:02,640
I recall the
the rights that were given a few years

1992
02:59:59,880 --> 03:00:07,480
ago to the bay that that parking slips
were significant.

1993
03:00:05,000 --> 03:00:13,280
And I am I'm guessing that they're going
to be much less than that of right.

1994
03:00:11,880 --> 03:00:15,240
Ms. Crowder.
>> Through you chair, uh to counselor

1995
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:20,320
Berry.
>> So, there is a site-specific bylaw on

1996
03:00:17,160 --> 03:00:24,400
the lands that permits a certain length
and width of dock.

1997
03:00:22,360 --> 03:00:29,400
It doesn't have a specific boat slip
number in it, but it does have that

1998
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:33,480
length and width, which, you know, when
you do the math, you can get an idea of

1999
03:00:30,920 --> 03:00:39,240
how many slips can be incorporated into
there. So, when staff bring the bylaw

2000
03:00:37,200 --> 03:00:45,080
forward to
committee or council for consideration,

2001
03:00:42,880 --> 03:00:50,800
that's when you will see those details
of length, width,

2002
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:55,320
shoreline structure permissions. And if
I may just speak to Ms. Bustard's

2003
03:00:53,240 --> 03:00:59,840
comment earlier about
concern for when the bylaw would come

2004
03:00:57,080 --> 03:01:03,640
forward, it is staff's intention to
bring the bylaw forward as soon as

2005
03:01:01,240 --> 03:01:09,120
possible following this meeting. It's
not our intent to bring it 6 months

2006
03:01:05,240 --> 03:01:09,120
later, so yeah.

2007
03:01:09,440 --> 03:01:18,800
» Councillor Edwards.
>> Concerning the the boat dockage,

2008
03:01:16,320 --> 03:01:23,920
I think there was a guarantee that
islanders that are using it for island

2009
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:28,560
access were were guaranteed to
keep their spots. Is that right?

2010
03:01:25,640 --> 03:01:28,560
» Ms. Bustard.

2011
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:36,200
» Thank you very much. Yes, we have
continued to provide spaces and rent to

2012
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:39,040
the islanders, and we will continue to
do so.

2013
03:01:37,320 --> 03:01:41,960
And I believe Ms. Craddock can correct
to me, but some of those arrangements

2014
03:01:40,680 --> 03:01:46,480
will be stipulated through the master
development agreement. May I add

2015
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:50,200
something on the parking?
The one thing that I'm just a little bit

2016
03:01:47,760 --> 03:01:53,440
confused with this motion is we did put
forward a site-specific zoning bylaw

2017
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:58,160
that obviously was proposing a reduced
parking rate. So, one thing I'd like

2018
03:01:55,320 --> 03:02:01,320
just to clarify, your your bylaw does
not take into consideration a lot of the

2019
03:01:59,640 --> 03:02:04,480
shared ratios that other jurisdictions
do. And I think you're speaking to it. A

2020
03:02:03,200 --> 03:02:07,960
lot of people who are going to be
parking on this site are going to be

2021
03:02:05,760 --> 03:02:10,960
using a multitude of the facilities.
Someone renting a cabin will then walk

2022
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:14,800
to the village and walk to the wellness
center. Someone will take their boat and

2023
03:02:12,680 --> 03:02:18,120
go there and use the trails. Uh so, we
had proposed to reduce parking supply.

2024
03:02:16,480 --> 03:02:22,400
Ms. Crowder is correct that the the
first submission was in the range of 360

2025
03:02:20,360 --> 03:02:26,000
spaces. Uh the reason it got reduced to
171

2026
03:02:23,960 --> 03:02:29,280
uh predominantly was tree preservation.
We went back after our first submission

2027
03:02:27,760 --> 03:02:33,240
and really looked at how we can maintain
more trees throughout the site and be a

2028
03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:37,840
bit more selective on where we were
actually paving. Um and then we went

2029
03:02:35,400 --> 03:02:41,800
back to our traffic consultant BA Group
and they did a robust analysis and said

2030
03:02:39,800 --> 03:02:45,200
this is actually justified at the 171
with all the shared trips. So, we've put

2031
03:02:43,680 --> 03:02:48,640
that forward and we're proposing to
enshrine that in policy

2032
03:02:47,160 --> 03:02:52,080
um understanding that there will be
further discussions through the master

2033
03:02:50,160 --> 03:02:55,440
development agreement and site plan. The
only thing I'm asking for clarification

2034
03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:59,680
on is I don't want to be in a situation
where something gets passed today that

2035
03:02:57,240 --> 03:03:04,280
requires us to build the amount of
parking as per your bylaw and we're just

2036
03:03:02,360 --> 03:03:07,680
basically utilizing more paving when we
could be obviously having open space and

2037
03:03:05,920 --> 03:03:10,720
tree preservation if it's not needed.
So, understand that this might be a

2038
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:13,520
future discussion point, but I want to
make sure there's leeway for that. Thank

2039
03:03:12,480 --> 03:03:17,600
you.
>> Ms. Crowder, can you comment on that?

2040
03:03:16,440 --> 03:03:21,920
» Yes, through you, Chair. I'm just
getting to that section of my report.

2041
03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:21,920
Just one moment.

2042
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:35,360
Thank you. Um yes, so
acknowledging the request to um permit

2043
03:03:32,200 --> 03:03:39,720
a reduction in parking spaces, staff um
are recommending that that component be

2044
03:03:37,280 --> 03:03:44,200
approved provided a clause is
incorporated into the master development

2045
03:03:41,400 --> 03:03:49,320
agreement, which states that the parking
will be compensated for on the

2046
03:03:46,280 --> 03:03:53,760
surrounding lands in some capacity. So,
it doesn't stipulate that every single

2047
03:03:51,480 --> 03:03:59,160
space must be accounted for, but I think
the hope and expectation is that on the

2048
03:03:56,280 --> 03:04:03,160
surrounding lands if at as this
progresses, we realize there is a need

2049
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:06,240
for parking, that the proponent would
agree to provide for that parking on

2050
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:11,160
their surrounding lands.
>> And does it does it require that it has

2051
03:04:08,920 --> 03:04:14,960
to meet our bylaw or we needs to do
studies to figure out what is the

2052
03:04:13,240 --> 03:04:18,880
appropriate level?
>> Through you, Chair. So, the way it's

2053
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:23,680
written, my understanding is that it
would not need to meet the requirements

2054
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:27,360
of our bylaw. It's more so as we move
through the site plan control stage and

2055
03:04:25,360 --> 03:04:31,560
see how things are developing out, if
there is a deficiency in parking and

2056
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:34,240
it's proving to be a problem, then the
owner agrees through that master

2057
03:04:32,960 --> 03:04:37,160
development agreement that they will
look at providing parking on the

2058
03:04:35,840 --> 03:04:40,720
abutting lands.
>> Ms. Busker, is that the clarification

2059
03:04:39,000 --> 03:04:44,800
you were looking for?
>> Uh yes, that's okay with us. Thank you.

2060
03:04:42,320 --> 03:04:44,800
» Thank you.

2061
03:04:46,920 --> 03:04:53,120
And so, just to summarize,
if we agree with

2062
03:04:51,480 --> 03:04:56,640
if we don't have any changes to what's
been said about parking, we don't have

2063
03:04:54,600 --> 03:04:59,520
to do anything at the moment. All right.
>> That's right. Thank you.

2064
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:08,160
» Scarlett, let's come to the end of our
list.

2065
03:05:05,200 --> 03:05:12,680
I think it's time to come back to the
original resolution.

2066
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:17,880
And
Deputy Clerk, could you tell us

2067
03:05:14,760 --> 03:05:20,960
just walk us through that process?
I think I know it, but

2068
03:05:19,480 --> 03:05:25,120
let you do it.
>> Thank you, uh

2069
03:05:22,240 --> 03:05:25,120
Chair Bosma.

2070
03:05:25,920 --> 03:05:32,600
I I'm happy to screen share and uh any
in particular the second resolution. The

2071
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:36,600
first resolution is basically a motion
to bring the

2072
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:41,520
the motion we originally tabled to
remove that from the table, so it can

2073
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:44,880
now be presented onto the floor. And
then from there, there will be a

2074
03:05:43,280 --> 03:05:49,000
resolution which I will screen share
that will substitute the original main

2075
03:05:46,840 --> 03:05:52,760
motion with the second one.
So, just give me a moment and with any

2076
03:05:50,600 --> 03:05:55,000
luck, I'm printing and will be ready to
go.

2077
03:05:59,280 --> 03:06:04,280
So,
>> We were told nobody.

2078
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:25,600
» This is the first one.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

2079
03:06:24,280 --> 03:06:29,280
» And I'm going to read it, right?
>> Yes, please.

2080
03:06:27,360 --> 03:06:32,160
» All right. So, the first one is quite
simple and we're not going to put it on

2081
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:35,680
this on the screen.
>> No, in my opinion, it's not necessary.

2082
03:06:34,680 --> 03:06:39,360
» I agree, too.
Yeah. Uh moved by Councillor Bury,

2083
03:06:37,560 --> 03:06:42,880
seconded by Councillor Edwards. Be it
resolved that the motion regarding

2084
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:45,880
official plan amendment application
OPA-64

2085
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:52,920
it be taken from the table.
Any debate?

2086
03:06:51,320 --> 03:06:55,320
Those in favor?
Thank you.

2087
03:06:53,800 --> 03:06:57,840
Next one we are going to put it up on
the screen.

2088
03:07:03,480 --> 03:07:06,040
All right, can we zoom in a little so
people can see it?

2089
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:09,440
» Thank you.
>> All right.

2090
03:07:07,080 --> 03:07:13,720
Um moved by Councillor Mazin, seconded
by Councillor Zavitz.

2091
03:07:11,440 --> 03:07:17,840
Be it resolved that the main motion
regarding official plan amendment

2092
03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:17,840
application

2093
03:07:18,720 --> 03:07:24,160
number or the com- number of companies,
two

2094
03:07:21,960 --> 03:07:28,680
6666940
Ontario Inc. land and 266

2095
03:07:26,840 --> 03:07:33,000
5556
Ontario Inc. be substituted with the

2096
03:07:31,240 --> 03:07:37,120
following. Be it resolved that the
official plan application amendment,

2097
03:07:35,400 --> 03:07:44,000
those company numbers,
be revised to include a schedule to

2098
03:07:40,280 --> 03:07:49,520
sections C1.5.4.3,
C1.5.4.4,

2099
03:07:46,280 --> 03:07:49,520
and C1.5

2100
03:07:49,560 --> 03:07:56,680
.4.5, which demonstrates the specific
location and extent where building

2101
03:07:54,640 --> 03:08:01,240
struct- building {slash} structures are
permitted within the front yard setback,

2102
03:07:59,040 --> 03:08:07,960
and where we where the required 15 m
shoreline vegetative buffer is permitted

2103
03:08:03,600 --> 03:08:12,360
to be reduced, and that the revised OPA
be adopted by the township, and the

2104
03:08:10,520 --> 03:08:16,680
record be forwarded to the District
Municipality of Muskoka for approval.

2105
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:23,920
» Ms. Gradauer, could you just walk us
through what that middle paragraph just

2106
03:08:21,880 --> 03:08:27,160
meant? Just to be sure that everybody
understands.

2107
03:08:24,920 --> 03:08:32,960
» Absolutely, through you, Chair. Um so,
that middle paragraph there essentially

2108
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:38,240
states that um we you would be approving
the amendment, um and that schedules

2109
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:42,960
would be attached to that amendment,
which specify the exact location and

2110
03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:47,240
extent where development within the
flood plain and adjacent Sorry,

2111
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:52,640
development within the wetland and
adjacent to the wetland would be

2112
03:08:49,200 --> 03:08:58,160
permitted, um the proposed front yard
setbacks, and the proposed vegetative

2113
03:08:55,320 --> 03:09:02,240
buffer. So, these would be site-specific
um schedules attached to the amendment

2114
03:09:00,520 --> 03:09:08,280
that would specify those locations and
extents, rather than permitting blanket

2115
03:09:04,520 --> 03:09:08,280
permissions across the whole lands.

2116
03:09:08,480 --> 03:09:14,560
» Committee,
is there any misunderstanding there?

2117
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:19,680
Do we have any debate on that? Any
further debate, I should say.

2118
03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:22,640
Seeing none, I call the question. All
those

2119
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:22,640
» in favor.

2120
03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:26,400
» Any opposed?

2121
03:09:26,440 --> 03:09:29,280
That carries.

2122
03:09:30,120 --> 03:09:35,720
And I think it's safe to say we're done
with the official plan.

2123
03:09:34,480 --> 03:09:40,520
We will take a break for lunch, and
we'll be back at 1:00 and discuss the

2124
03:09:38,040 --> 03:09:40,520
bylaw.

2125
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:51,240
It's pretty short and sweet.
Do you want to do the bylaw now?

2126
03:09:50,680 --> 03:09:53,400
» David
>> Well

2127
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:55,320
» I'm sorry.
>> Go.

2128
03:09:53,840 --> 03:09:58,080
» No, no. I think you can have lunch.
>> Yeah, okay. That's good.

2129
03:09:56,720 --> 03:10:02,840
» So, why would we do this?
>> I knew we were too.

2130
03:10:00,760 --> 03:10:05,200
» I I don't know. I just thought
It's fine.

2131
03:10:34,280 --> 03:10:39,840
» Just like to remind everybody we should
not be discussing this.

2132
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:39,840
» Okay.

2133
03:10:41,000 --> 03:10:43,520
» I understand it.

2134
03:15:34,920 --> 03:15:37,000
» Mhm.

2135
03:44:19,920 --> 03:44:22,000
» Mhm.

2136
03:59:39,920 --> 03:59:42,000
» Mhm.

2137
04:02:32,800 --> 04:02:36,560
» Back to order at 1:00.

2138
04:02:37,800 --> 04:02:44,400
Committee.
The next on the agenda is to go through

2139
04:02:41,760 --> 04:02:50,360
the bylaw
related to this application.

2140
04:02:47,280 --> 04:02:55,600
Um it is a two-page bylaw, but it covers
a lot and I think it's worth reading

2141
04:02:53,640 --> 04:03:00,000
rather than assuming everybody has read
it in detail. And it covers

2142
04:02:58,760 --> 04:03:04,080
a number of the things that we've
already covered.

2143
04:03:01,400 --> 04:03:07,120
After that, I will ask Emily just to
have a

2144
04:03:04,960 --> 04:03:13,000
real brief run through of it what it
means to from a staff point of view and

2145
04:03:09,880 --> 04:03:18,880
and its relationship or or their
discussions with the applicant. Then

2146
04:03:15,280 --> 04:03:18,880
we'll open it up for discussion.

2147
04:03:18,960 --> 04:03:25,760
It's long, but pay attention.
Um

2148
04:03:24,080 --> 04:03:27,600
can we put it up on the screen?
We will work on that while I'm reading

2149
04:03:27,160 --> 04:03:31,320
it.
>> Third and fourth piece of the

2150
04:03:28,680 --> 04:03:31,320
resolution.

2151
04:03:32,280 --> 04:03:38,720
» Moved by Mayor Kelly, seconded by
Councillor Zavitz, be it resolved that

2152
04:03:35,800 --> 04:03:43,760
zoning by-law application amendment ZBA
22/23

2153
04:03:41,040 --> 04:03:48,960
to company names be approved in part
subject to the approval of OPA 64,

2154
04:03:47,160 --> 04:03:53,440
approval of the submitted amendment to
the District Official the District

2155
04:03:50,880 --> 04:03:56,560
Muskoka Official Plan and subject to the
following.

2156
04:03:54,760 --> 04:04:02,080
The draft zoning by-law amendment be
submitted by the applicant not

2157
04:03:59,840 --> 04:04:06,640
Sorry, let me start that again. That the
draft

2158
04:04:03,480 --> 04:04:11,640
zoning by-law amendment submitted by the
applicant not be adopted and that staff

2159
04:04:09,200 --> 04:04:15,480
be directed to prepare an implementing
zoning by-law amendment for

2160
04:04:13,680 --> 04:04:20,240
considerations at a future council
meeting that incorporates the holding

2161
04:04:17,240 --> 04:04:24,600
provisions, {comma} floodplain related
and other applicable recommendations

2162
04:04:22,760 --> 04:04:31,200
contained in
plan uh report plan 2026-092

2163
04:04:28,560 --> 04:04:35,880
as modified by any direction of the
planning committee.

2164
04:04:33,000 --> 04:04:39,400
That a holding H provision
be placed on the subject lands for the

2165
04:04:37,800 --> 04:04:47,320
following.
That A developers group agreements

2166
04:04:43,880 --> 04:04:51,200
is/are entered into wherein one or more
proponents within the full service area

2167
04:04:49,920 --> 04:04:55,480
shown on
schedule on a schedule to the by-law

2168
04:04:53,600 --> 04:04:59,800
contribute equitably towards the
provisions

2169
04:04:56,720 --> 04:05:03,720
of the municipal sewage services and
municipal water services to the

2170
04:05:01,440 --> 04:05:07,800
satisfaction of the District
Municipality of Muskoka and the Township

2171
04:05:05,960 --> 04:05:13,080
of Muskoka Lakes.
That a satisfactory master development

2172
04:05:09,840 --> 04:05:16,080
agreement in accordance with section C-
C1.7.2-

2173
04:05:18,440 --> 04:05:25,400
Got two Yeah, sorry, I'm not quite sure.
Is that ongoing number?

2174
04:05:24,880 --> 04:05:28,480
» I don't think so.
>> C- C1.7.2-

2175
04:05:28,440 --> 04:05:34,640
C
>> Okay, all right.

2176
04:05:30,360 --> 04:05:34,640
With section C 1.7.2-C

2177
04:05:34,920 --> 04:05:43,880
1.7.7
of OPA 56 and matters detailed within

2178
04:05:40,000 --> 04:05:47,960
the staff report plan 2026-092
be entered into between between the

2179
04:05:45,640 --> 04:05:51,120
Township of Muskoka Lakes
just and

2180
04:05:49,840 --> 04:05:55,680
Sorry, I'm having a
hard time this afternoon. The District

2181
04:05:53,120 --> 04:05:59,840
Municipality of Muskoka and the owner
company two company numbers.

2182
04:05:58,240 --> 04:06:04,960
Issuance of required provincial
environmental compliance approvals for

2183
04:06:02,480 --> 04:06:08,560
all water treatment, water distribution,
waste water treatment and waste water

2184
04:06:07,240 --> 04:06:12,680
collection infrastructure by the
Ministry of the Environment,

2185
04:06:11,160 --> 04:06:16,200
Conservation and Parks for the
construction

2186
04:06:14,040 --> 04:06:21,200
of the required municipal water and
sanitary sewage sewer infrastructure for

2187
04:06:18,960 --> 04:06:25,280
the Minett
special policy area.

2188
04:06:23,840 --> 04:06:29,520
An agreement with the District
Municipality of Muskoka has been entered

2189
04:06:27,280 --> 04:06:33,720
into and registered on that title
pertaining to the design and

2190
04:06:30,920 --> 04:06:37,560
construction for the municipal water and
sanitary sewer infrastructure required

2191
04:06:35,880 --> 04:06:42,080
to support the development including but
not limited to the following:

2192
04:06:39,800 --> 04:06:46,920
the provincial the provision of
financial securities,

2193
04:06:44,400 --> 04:06:51,000
the requirement of the developer
to obtain at their sole expense all

2194
04:06:48,920 --> 04:06:56,400
required provincial approvals including
but not limited to the following:

2195
04:06:53,160 --> 04:07:01,120
municipal drinking water works permit,
municipal drinking water license and a

2196
04:06:58,920 --> 04:07:05,320
permit to take Wait.
to take water for all water treatment,

2197
04:07:03,280 --> 04:07:08,960
water distribution, waste water
treatment and waste water collection

2198
04:07:07,400 --> 04:07:13,600
infrastructure by the Ministry of the
Environment, Conservation and Parks for

2199
04:07:11,640 --> 04:07:17,600
the operation of the required municipal
water and sanitary sewer infrastructure

2200
04:07:15,760 --> 04:07:22,920
structure for the Minett special policy
area before start of operation or

2201
04:07:20,640 --> 04:07:26,560
results through
connection permits

2202
04:07:24,440 --> 04:07:31,640
to connect to municipal water and
sanitary sewer infrastructure are made.

2203
04:07:29,480 --> 04:07:36,560
That's a really long sentence.
The requirement for the developer to

2204
04:07:33,160 --> 04:07:42,160
ensure that any rental agreements made
and or any lease or rental agreements to

2205
04:07:38,960 --> 04:07:46,240
include terms identifying the occupancy
will be contingent upon the fall

2206
04:07:44,080 --> 04:07:49,600
following the developer obtaining the
required provincial approvals,

2207
04:07:47,920 --> 04:07:55,280
construction of the necessary water and
sanitary sewer infrastructure, and

2208
04:07:52,960 --> 04:07:58,400
the requirement for the developer to
obtain the necessary connection permits

2209
04:07:57,280 --> 04:08:02,200
for the dis-
district municipality of Muskoka prior

2210
04:08:00,520 --> 04:08:06,760
to connection to the municipal water and
sanitary sewer infrastructure.

2211
04:08:04,800 --> 04:08:11,520
The submission of a wetland compensation
and net benefit and enhancement report

2212
04:08:09,120 --> 04:08:17,600
response memo to address the comments of
the peer review prepared by SLR

2213
04:08:14,040 --> 04:08:21,360
Consulting Limited dated June 17th, 2026
to the satisfaction of the Township of

2214
04:08:19,120 --> 04:08:25,680
Muskoka Lakes and the District
Municipality of Muskoka.

2215
04:08:23,560 --> 04:08:29,800
The subject's land be required to obtain
site plan approval and that a sat-

2216
04:08:27,720 --> 04:08:33,520
satisfactory site plan agreement be
entered into the

2217
04:08:31,400 --> 04:08:37,720
into and registered on title along with
securities for matters including but not

2218
04:08:35,960 --> 04:08:42,520
limited to implementation of the
recommendations made

2219
04:08:39,720 --> 04:08:46,400
within the EIS and peer review responses
prepared by Azimuth Environmental

2220
04:08:44,760 --> 04:08:51,160
Consulting Inc.
wetland compensation and net benefit and

2221
04:08:48,280 --> 04:08:55,960
enhancement report prepared
Oh, I'm sorry. Just read that. Uh uh

2222
04:08:53,880 --> 04:08:55,960
uh

2223
04:08:56,760 --> 04:09:02,240
Sorry, guys.
Wetland compensation and net benefit and

2224
04:09:00,200 --> 04:09:07,800
enhancement report prepared by Azimuth
Environmental Consulting and associated

2225
04:09:04,680 --> 04:09:10,560
peer reviews prepared by SLR Consulting
pertaining to the protection,

2226
04:09:09,040 --> 04:09:14,680
compensation, and net benefit of
significant natural features on and

2227
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:19,440
adjacent to the subject lands and other
matters as detailed in staff report plan

2228
04:09:17,440 --> 04:09:24,680
2026-092
and OPA 56. And finally,

2229
04:09:22,600 --> 04:09:30,080
the submission of an identified traffic
impact brief or stamped letter from

2230
04:09:27,840 --> 04:09:37,120
a professional engineer which confirms
that the opposed 0 m setback from

2231
04:09:33,280 --> 04:09:41,080
Juddhaven Road bracket District Road 28
will not represent will not present any

2232
04:09:39,120 --> 04:09:44,560
operation or functional concerns from a
transportation per

2233
04:09:42,560 --> 04:09:50,640
perspective. And confirms that the
existing right-of-way along Juddhaven

2234
04:09:47,080 --> 04:09:54,640
Road is 26 m in width consistent with
the requirements of the District of

2235
04:09:52,000 --> 04:09:59,480
Muskoka.
Ms. Crowder,

2236
04:09:56,080 --> 04:09:59,480
could you net that out for us?

2237
04:10:00,040 --> 04:10:06,840
But seriously, too, you know, what what
what is before us and and where are we

2238
04:10:04,640 --> 04:10:12,840
agreement and what are the actual
decisions are before us?

2239
04:10:09,160 --> 04:10:18,840
» Through you, Chair. Um yes, so lengthy
um resolution, but essentially this

2240
04:10:15,080 --> 04:10:25,120
incorporates um that
staff bring forward a bylaw for

2241
04:10:22,040 --> 04:10:29,400
council's consideration um that will be
drafted by staff over the next few

2242
04:10:27,000 --> 04:10:35,360
weeks. I would like to bring it forward
to the special council meeting in July

2243
04:10:32,440 --> 04:10:40,440
um if all works out that way, that would
be wonderful. And you would have that

2244
04:10:37,840 --> 04:10:46,200
bylaw for your review and consideration.
Um and then ultimately would be making a

2245
04:10:43,880 --> 04:10:50,560
decision on that bylaw at that council
meeting. So, that's the first component

2246
04:10:48,320 --> 04:10:55,680
of that resolution.
And the bylaw would be drafted um to

2247
04:10:53,000 --> 04:10:59,080
reflect the decisions made here today as
it pertains to the floodplain, the

2248
04:10:57,320 --> 04:11:02,720
wetland, and other matters that we've
discussed.

2249
04:11:00,400 --> 04:11:07,400
And the second part of this bylaw or
this sorry, this resolution is the

2250
04:11:04,640 --> 04:11:11,680
incorporation of holding provisions. Um
and what would be included within those

2251
04:11:09,120 --> 04:11:14,640
holding, um, provisions. So, we have the
developers group agreement and the

2252
04:11:13,120 --> 04:11:20,560
master development agreement, both of
which are laid out in the, um, OPA 56.

2253
04:11:18,840 --> 04:11:25,720
And, uh, the master development
agreement is currently under works with

2254
04:11:22,200 --> 04:11:29,720
the proponent, um, in the draft stage.
Provincial approvals, the district's,

2255
04:11:27,880 --> 04:11:33,720
um, requirements have been incorporated
in here as it relates to the water and

2256
04:11:31,520 --> 04:11:39,400
waste water treatment plant.
Um, and then essentially that site plan

2257
04:11:37,080 --> 04:11:45,320
approval be, um,
that that process be implemented and the

2258
04:11:43,560 --> 04:11:49,560
consultants continue working together,
the environmental consultants,

2259
04:11:47,360 --> 04:11:54,640
um, and that essentially the, the
measures set forth would be implemented

2260
04:11:52,240 --> 04:11:57,800
through the site plan control process.
Um,

2261
04:11:56,480 --> 04:12:02,040
and then there's also another district
condition about the traffic impact

2262
04:11:59,360 --> 04:12:08,520
brief. The items that have been
requested or that we have heard may want

2263
04:12:05,440 --> 04:12:12,960
to be amended would include, um, the
depth of dredging.

2264
04:12:10,400 --> 04:12:16,680
So, if that is a matter that, um, this
committee wishes to amend, cuz as of

2265
04:12:15,400 --> 04:12:21,440
right now,
um, the motion reads that the

2266
04:12:19,200 --> 04:12:24,640
recommendations put forth by SLR be
implemented. So, that would be the 2 m

2267
04:12:23,240 --> 04:12:30,440
depth. So, if that's something that
committee wants to change, um, there is

2268
04:12:27,240 --> 04:12:35,920
a resolution prepared to reflect that.
And the second is the traffic impact

2269
04:12:33,480 --> 04:12:40,520
brief, um, and the right of way along
Jud Haven Road.

2270
04:12:37,680 --> 04:12:43,760
The district and the proponent have
discussed this item and have agreed to

2271
04:12:42,480 --> 04:12:48,400
wording,
um, that has also been put in a

2272
04:12:45,320 --> 04:12:54,120
resolution for you. Um,
to discuss. So, that's sort of a summary

2273
04:12:51,080 --> 04:12:57,440
here. Um, we can also go through exactly
what the wording of the, those

2274
04:12:55,600 --> 04:13:01,040
amendments are should committee be
interested in doing so.

2275
04:12:58,720 --> 04:13:07,440
» And, um,
there wasn't a mention, I think, of uh,

2276
04:13:03,680 --> 04:13:09,640
the 26 m versus the 20 m. Is it
>> Through you

2277
04:13:07,760 --> 04:13:12,520
» need to correct for that as well?
>> Through you, Chair. So, that's the item

2278
04:13:11,000 --> 04:13:17,120
about the right of way with Judhaven
Road that I mentioned. So, it is in the

2279
04:13:15,040 --> 04:13:21,360
in the resolution there.
>> Ms. Bustard, um

2280
04:13:18,880 --> 04:13:26,560
do you have any
anything you'd like to say about

2281
04:13:23,720 --> 04:13:29,520
what we have in this resolution?
>> Uh thank you very much for the

2282
04:13:27,520 --> 04:13:32,160
opportunity. I I mean, we've talked at
length about it. Our our request just

2283
04:13:31,040 --> 04:13:36,920
remains that there would be the
opportunity to dredge up to 3 m

2284
04:13:34,920 --> 04:13:41,760
with the extent and and details being
defined through detailed design. And Ms.

2285
04:13:39,840 --> 04:13:45,280
Crowder just specified that Judhaven is
more just administrative. It just right

2286
04:13:43,240 --> 04:13:48,800
now says that the right of way is 26
when it's currently only 20. So, the

2287
04:13:47,080 --> 04:13:52,840
confirmation is that it can be widened
up to 26. So, it's more just a language

2288
04:13:51,360 --> 04:13:54,960
correction more than anything else.
>> That's very well.

2289
04:13:53,600 --> 04:13:57,440
» Thank you very much. But all other
conditions we're in full agreement with.

2290
04:13:56,880 --> 04:13:59,160
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

2291
04:13:58,360 --> 04:14:03,840
Councillor Adams.
>> Uh thank you and through you.

2292
04:14:01,200 --> 04:14:08,320
How do we table the motion of the
2 m to 3 m?

2293
04:14:06,400 --> 04:14:11,440
Thank you.
>> We have We have a draft.

2294
04:14:09,880 --> 04:14:13,000
» a mover and a seconder.
>> Well, we

2295
04:14:12,560 --> 04:14:18,480
» Yeah, are we
>> First of all, before we get to that

2296
04:14:15,960 --> 04:14:22,200
are there any questions?
>> Chair,

2297
04:14:19,520 --> 04:14:24,960
pardon me. Um I did see Curtis Zefritz
on the screen, manager of planning. So,

2298
04:14:23,680 --> 04:14:30,120
I don't know if he wanted to speak to
the district condition.

2299
04:14:27,720 --> 04:14:33,280
» Good afternoon, sir.
>> Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, uh through

2300
04:14:31,640 --> 04:14:36,520
you. No, I would just want to be
available should the committee have any

2301
04:14:34,880 --> 04:14:41,480
questions about any of the district
conditions. So, I just had my my video

2302
04:14:39,280 --> 04:14:44,600
camera on just to be available.
>> All right. Thank you very much.

2303
04:14:42,960 --> 04:14:49,360
» Thank you.
>> All right. So, where were we We were at

2304
04:14:46,320 --> 04:14:53,080
Does anybody have any questions?
All right. Now we can have the debate.

2305
04:14:50,720 --> 04:14:57,720
Is there any debate
other than we need a resolution passed?

2306
04:14:56,680 --> 04:15:01,520
Right?
We have a draft resolution.

2307
04:15:00,040 --> 04:15:05,120
» Yeah.
Technically, I should have a mover and a

2308
04:15:02,920 --> 04:15:09,240
seconder.
On that resolution, I preferably

2309
04:15:07,400 --> 04:15:11,680
» I think I saw this hand up and then that
hand. So,

2310
04:15:10,600 --> 04:15:16,320
um
moved by Councillor Mezen, seconded by

2311
04:15:13,440 --> 04:15:16,320
Councillor Zavitz.

2312
04:15:16,400 --> 04:15:20,480
» So, that's the wording now.
People will write on this.

2313
04:15:19,680 --> 04:15:22,000
» Pardon?
>> Sorry.

2314
04:15:20,920 --> 04:15:25,000
» That's wording. I'll give you the
correct wording to sign.

2315
04:15:57,080 --> 04:16:02,880
» Okay, committee, let me
let me read this

2316
04:16:00,160 --> 04:16:02,880
resolution.

2317
04:16:03,760 --> 04:16:07,680
Moved by Councillor Edwards, seconded by

2318
04:16:08,480 --> 04:16:10,800
Sorry.

2319
04:16:11,000 --> 04:16:13,160
» Okay.

2320
04:16:18,640 --> 04:16:24,240
» Be it resolved that
Sorry, moved by Councillor Mezen,

2321
04:16:22,360 --> 04:16:28,840
seconded by Councillor Zavitz.
Be it resolved that the resolution as

2322
04:16:25,760 --> 04:16:33,160
amended be amended as follows:
to add

2323
04:16:31,360 --> 04:16:38,000
in order
to create an open water and shallow

2324
04:16:35,120 --> 04:16:42,080
marsh wetland feature not exceeding 3 m
in depth

2325
04:16:39,440 --> 04:16:46,760
after the words wetland compensation and
net benefit and enhancement report

2326
04:16:44,560 --> 04:16:50,360
prepared by Azimuth Environmental
Consulting Inc. in the second last

2327
04:16:48,920 --> 04:16:54,440
bullet.
And that the words

2328
04:16:51,840 --> 04:16:59,320
quote, that existing right of way along
Juddhaven Road is 26 m in width,

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04:16:57,640 --> 04:17:05,520
consistent with the requirements of the
District of Muskoka official plan, end

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04:17:01,160 --> 04:17:11,680
quote, in the last bullet be replaced
with, quote, that the right of way is or

2331
04:17:08,480 --> 04:17:17,280
allows for the future expansion to 26 m
consistent with the requirements of the

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04:17:13,360 --> 04:17:17,280
District of Muskoka official plan.

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04:17:17,560 --> 04:17:21,160
That's the resolution. Do we have any

2334
04:17:22,880 --> 04:17:28,920
Any questions or debate?
Going to call the question. All those in

2335
04:17:26,320 --> 04:17:34,120
favor.
Okay. Carries. Any opposed?

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04:17:31,920 --> 04:17:34,120
Okay.

2337
04:17:42,040 --> 04:17:47,440
All right. We move on to the next item
agenda.

2338
04:17:45,760 --> 04:17:53,000
Agenda item.
Um first of all, thank you to staff on

2339
04:17:51,040 --> 04:17:57,120
this file.
Thank you for the applicants.

2340
04:17:55,680 --> 04:18:04,120
And uh
thank you to committee

2341
04:17:59,240 --> 04:18:04,120
for being such a obedient committee.

2342
04:18:05,840 --> 04:18:10,520
There we go.
A cooperative and understanding

2343
04:18:08,720 --> 04:18:12,960
committee. All right. So, the our next
item

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04:18:13,280 --> 04:18:19,440
Mayor Mayor Kelly.
Thank you very much. And uh I just want

2345
04:18:17,440 --> 04:18:23,680
to say one quick thing. This, you know,
it's a huge day

2346
04:18:21,200 --> 04:18:28,720
uh for us and I think it's a huge uh
vote of confidence in the future of our

2347
04:18:26,240 --> 04:18:33,560
township and particularly up in Minett.
Um I spoke earlier about uh stepping

2348
04:18:31,720 --> 04:18:38,920
back two or three paces and addressing
more than the very well-documented

2349
04:18:36,280 --> 04:18:43,000
planning issues. And I'm really, really
pleased with how this thing was dealt

2350
04:18:40,920 --> 04:18:47,520
with. There There was great questions,
great debate and discussion.

2351
04:18:45,040 --> 04:18:51,200
Um and so I couldn't be more proud.
I know there will be some negative

2352
04:18:49,160 --> 04:18:55,400
blowback on some of the issues. Some
people are going to disagree with us,

2353
04:18:53,120 --> 04:19:01,280
but I can tell you at the foundation of
every good decision is process, and

2354
04:18:58,760 --> 04:19:05,480
we've we I think executed well against a
really good process, good plan. So,

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04:19:03,480 --> 04:19:09,200
thank you all on behalf of the rest of
the constituents of this township.

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04:19:12,080 --> 04:19:20,200
» Actually, committee, we have
We have one more thing to do, and that

2357
04:19:16,560 --> 04:19:26,480
is we need to approve the main motion as
amended. Everybody All those in favor?

2358
04:19:23,600 --> 04:19:26,480
Thank you. All right.

2359
04:19:33,680 --> 04:19:36,360
All right, so

2360
04:19:39,760 --> 04:19:45,880
Without further ado, we move on to
the Bala Legion file.

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04:19:52,480 --> 04:19:59,200
» Okay, thank you, Chair Bosworth.
The next applications to be heard today

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04:19:57,360 --> 04:20:04,040
are concurrent zoning bylaw amendment
application ZBA 2226

2363
04:20:02,120 --> 04:20:09,200
and official plan amendment application
OPA 67 in the name of the Royal Canadian

2364
04:20:07,240 --> 04:20:15,000
Legion. The subject lands are known
municipally as 1011 Maple Avenue.

2365
04:20:12,120 --> 04:20:15,000
Next slide, please.

2366
04:20:16,120 --> 04:20:21,640
As committee may recall, these
applications were originally heard last

2367
04:20:19,640 --> 04:20:24,880
month on June 11th, where the
applications were deferred by planning

2368
04:20:23,360 --> 04:20:28,120
committee for staff to undertake a
review and analysis of submissions

2369
04:20:26,840 --> 04:20:31,280
received in response to the
applications.

2370
04:20:29,520 --> 04:20:35,120
As part of the deferral, a revised
proposal was requested, which

2371
04:20:33,120 --> 04:20:39,400
demonstrates a reduction in height and
density and provides a satisfactory

2372
04:20:37,280 --> 04:20:43,520
parking solution before approval can be
considered.

2373
04:20:40,720 --> 04:20:43,520
Next slide, please.

2374
04:20:43,560 --> 04:20:49,880
The amended proposal has removed a story
from the proposed multi-use building.

2375
04:20:48,120 --> 04:20:55,200
This results in a reduction in height
from 72.2 ft to 54 ft.

2376
04:20:53,400 --> 04:20:59,280
This change in height largely addresses
staff's concern as it relates to height,

2377
04:20:57,520 --> 04:21:04,160
noting that the existing site-specific
bylaw on the lands permits a building

2378
04:21:01,520 --> 04:21:08,280
height of 55 ft.
Next slide, please.

2379
04:21:06,600 --> 04:21:14,560
The amended proposal has reduced the
number of units from 128 to 106.

2380
04:21:12,440 --> 04:21:19,840
This changes the unit per hectare ratio
from 170 units per hectare to 137 units

2381
04:21:18,640 --> 04:21:23,720
per hectare.
Staff acknowledge that this is still a

2382
04:21:21,400 --> 04:21:28,160
significant numerical variation from the
existing policy, which permits 70 units

2383
04:21:26,160 --> 04:21:31,400
per gross hectare.
The remaining policies within the

2384
04:21:29,440 --> 04:21:35,600
official plan speak to the character of
the area. Considering that the parking,

2385
04:21:33,960 --> 04:21:39,720
lot coverage, height, and other
attributes are now supportable by staff,

2386
04:21:38,160 --> 04:21:43,560
staff are of the opinion that the number
of units within the building would not

2387
04:21:41,560 --> 04:21:47,240
change the character from a built form
perspective.

2388
04:21:45,160 --> 04:21:50,760
From an intensity of use perspective,
staff refer to the technical studies

2389
04:21:49,120 --> 04:21:54,440
which provide justification for the
development and are subject peer review

2390
04:21:52,720 --> 04:21:58,520
through the utilization of a holding
provision.

2391
04:21:56,360 --> 04:22:02,880
Staff do note, however, that the built
form of the site, meaning the building

2392
04:22:00,520 --> 04:22:07,640
plus the parking, will occupy most of
the subject lands, leaving minimal green

2393
04:22:04,880 --> 04:22:11,280
space or ability to revegetate.
Any available area will be required to

2394
04:22:09,600 --> 04:22:15,720
be revegetated through the site plan
control process.

2395
04:22:13,320 --> 04:22:20,120
Next slide, please.
The amended proposal increased the

2396
04:22:17,280 --> 04:22:25,160
amount of on-site parking from 56 spaces
to 121 spaces.

2397
04:22:22,640 --> 04:22:29,280
43 of these spaces will be underground,
and 78 will be at grade.

2398
04:22:27,480 --> 04:22:33,400
This is a significant improvement over
the previous iteration of the proposal,

2399
04:22:31,640 --> 04:22:38,200
which would provide for one space per
residential unit plus 15 spaces for

2400
04:22:36,040 --> 04:22:40,640
visitors, the Legion, medical clinic,
etc.

2401
04:22:39,520 --> 04:22:45,040
Staff acknowledge that there are
surrounding public parking areas, which

2402
04:22:43,080 --> 04:22:48,240
could aid in the need for parking during
the day.

2403
04:22:46,400 --> 04:22:52,520
However, staff remain of the opinion
that the parking justification report

2404
04:22:50,320 --> 04:22:55,480
leaves unresolved concerns.
These concerns need to be addressed

2405
04:22:54,040 --> 04:22:58,960
prior to lifting of the holding
provision.

2406
04:22:57,160 --> 04:23:03,880
The proposal seeks to provide five
barrier-free parking spaces, where 12

2407
04:23:01,400 --> 04:23:08,040
accessible units are proposed.
Staff question the adequacy of the

2408
04:23:05,400 --> 04:23:12,240
proposed amount of barrier-free spaces
when these numbers don't align.

2409
04:23:10,160 --> 04:23:16,720
Further, the proposed Legion facilities,
by nature of their use, draw users to

2410
04:23:14,560 --> 04:23:20,480
the establishment who may who may
require barrier-free spaces.

2411
04:23:19,160 --> 04:23:25,520
The Township's comprehensive zoning
bylaw requires a minimum of 13 13

2412
04:23:23,200 --> 04:23:28,720
barrier-free spaces,
and staff recommend that this number be

2413
04:23:27,040 --> 04:23:32,720
upheld.
Next slide, please.

2414
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:36,480
Since the time of the original public
meeting, one letter of support and two

2415
04:23:35,040 --> 04:23:40,880
letters of opposition have been
received. These comments were forwarded

2416
04:23:38,800 --> 04:23:46,320
to committee prior to today's meeting,
one of which was forwarded this morning.

2417
04:23:43,800 --> 04:23:50,120
As it was received this morning.
It is staff's opinion that the concerns

2418
04:23:47,920 --> 04:23:53,440
noted in the original letter of
opposition, the one forwarded to you

2419
04:23:52,080 --> 04:23:57,320
earlier on,
um is addressed through revisions to the

2420
04:23:55,200 --> 04:24:01,160
applications to reduce density and that
the parking justification study be

2421
04:23:59,080 --> 04:24:05,040
revised to address staff's concerns as
noted in the original staff report.

2422
04:24:06,360 --> 04:24:10,840
Staff have prepared a detailed report
for committee's consideration and

2423
04:24:09,240 --> 04:24:15,200
recommend the following:
that official plan amendment 67, as

2424
04:24:13,000 --> 04:24:20,040
amended, be revised to reflect the
amended applications as detailed in the

2425
04:24:17,320 --> 04:24:23,040
staff report, and that the revised OPA
be adopted by the Township and the

2426
04:24:21,640 --> 04:24:27,200
record forwarded to the District
Municipality of Muskoka for approval.

2427
04:24:25,800 --> 04:24:32,800
Staff further recommend that zoning
bylaw amendment application ZBA 2226, as

2428
04:24:30,680 --> 04:24:36,480
amended, be approved subject to the
following.

2429
04:24:34,680 --> 04:24:40,280
That the draft bylaw and associated
schedules be revised to reflect the

2430
04:24:38,240 --> 04:24:43,880
amended applications as detailed in the
staff report.

2431
04:24:42,200 --> 04:24:48,640
That the draft bylaw be revised to
require that 13 of the proposed parking

2432
04:24:46,120 --> 04:24:52,200
spaces be barrier-free spaces in
accordance with the requirements of the

2433
04:24:50,120 --> 04:24:55,360
Township's comprehensive zoning bylaw as
amended.

2434
04:24:53,680 --> 04:25:01,280
And that revisions be made to the draft
bylaw to first amend section 2D to state

2435
04:24:59,000 --> 04:25:06,000
that the parking justification report be
to satisfactorily address staff comments

2436
04:25:03,960 --> 04:25:10,880
instead of being peer-reviewed.
And second, remove section 2G being that

2437
04:25:09,200 --> 04:25:13,880
the lands receive site plan approval
prior to the lifting of the holding

2438
04:25:12,440 --> 04:25:16,280
provision.
Staff have no further comments at this

2439
04:25:15,160 --> 04:25:21,920
time. They're happy to answer any
questions from committee. Thank you.

2440
04:25:19,080 --> 04:25:24,440
» Thank you very much.
Mr. Hunter.

2441
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:27,560
You have the floor.

2442
04:25:29,680 --> 04:25:35,520
» Thank you, Chair, and good afternoon. Uh
my name is James Hunter, the planner and

2443
04:25:33,920 --> 04:25:38,400
project manager for the applicant on
behalf of Morgan Planning and

2444
04:25:36,480 --> 04:25:42,400
Development. Um we talked about
>> James, I I will be uh I'll be generous

2445
04:25:41,040 --> 04:25:45,280
with the 5 minutes today.
>> Oh, no, I don't need 5 minutes. I

2446
04:25:43,600 --> 04:25:48,720
appreciate it.
Um I'm just jumping up to say that we

2447
04:25:47,160 --> 04:25:52,520
would like to thank staff uh first and
foremost for everything that they've

2448
04:25:49,880 --> 04:25:55,120
worked uh with us on this proposal. It's
been uh quite a process to get to this

2449
04:25:53,920 --> 04:25:58,840
stage, and the applicant really
appreciates that. And second, thank you

2450
04:25:56,880 --> 04:26:02,680
to you, Council Committee, for hearing
us uh in the previous meeting and this

2451
04:26:00,480 --> 04:26:06,000
meeting. Um we brought forward a
application and a proposed development

2452
04:26:04,120 --> 04:26:08,560
that we're very excited about. Uh with
our second submission, we made some

2453
04:26:07,160 --> 04:26:13,000
pretty substantial changes to get to
this point. Um in addition to that, the

2454
04:26:11,200 --> 04:26:16,840
parking uh landscape comments that were
provided in the report, um we do

2455
04:26:15,200 --> 04:26:20,040
support, and we can address that through
the holding provision. So, um in

2456
04:26:18,800 --> 04:26:24,240
summary, uh thank you for the
recommendation, and I'm happy to answer

2457
04:26:21,760 --> 04:26:27,760
any questions directed my way.
>> Thank you very much.

2458
04:26:26,200 --> 04:26:31,200
Committee, what questions do we have for
the applicant and Ms. Crowder?

2459
04:26:32,200 --> 04:26:41,360
Councilor Roberts.
>> Hey, I I I clarity on the parking.

2460
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:45,840
So, there's 137
units

2461
04:26:42,840 --> 04:26:48,960
in in in that that's just the units. The
No, 102.

2462
04:26:47,640 --> 04:26:51,040
So, you must
The

2463
04:26:49,840 --> 04:26:55,760
100 Go ahead.
>> Through you, Chair, if I may, to

2464
04:26:52,600 --> 04:27:04,320
Councilor Roberts, there are 106 units
proposed. The density ratio

2465
04:26:59,920 --> 04:27:07,240
is 170 Sorry, 137 units per gross
hectare.

2466
04:27:05,520 --> 04:27:09,840
The lands are less than a hectare, which
is why there's

2467
04:27:08,680 --> 04:27:13,560
those numbers are different, but it's
106 units proposed.

2468
04:27:11,520 --> 04:27:17,920
» 106, okay. So, I thank you for for
clarifying that for me. I made a

2469
04:27:14,800 --> 04:27:22,000
mistake. So, there's 106
residential units.

2470
04:27:20,560 --> 04:27:28,320
But, there's also
the Legion um

2471
04:27:24,440 --> 04:27:34,200
facility that the traditionally is
have had on spot.

2472
04:27:31,360 --> 04:27:39,720
And that will require more parking
when the events happen.

2473
04:27:36,240 --> 04:27:44,760
And then we have um 13 barrier-free
um

2474
04:27:42,000 --> 04:27:44,760
uh spots.

2475
04:27:44,840 --> 04:27:52,120
Are the 13
the that 13 barriers speed uh

2476
04:27:49,800 --> 04:27:56,160
places which could be used 24 hours a
day by people that

2477
04:27:54,200 --> 04:27:59,840
live in the [clears throat] complex
and

2478
04:27:58,200 --> 04:28:02,240
require parking.
>> Ms. Crowder.

2479
04:28:00,920 --> 04:28:06,840
» Through you, Chair, uh to Councilor
Roberts, so

2480
04:28:04,800 --> 04:28:14,440
of the proposed parking supply, which is
121 spaces, 13 of those staff are

2481
04:28:10,760 --> 04:28:16,760
recommending be barrier-free. Now, the
township's

2482
04:28:15,960 --> 04:28:20,240
um
jurisdiction over this would be This is

2483
04:28:18,800 --> 04:28:23,800
the number of parking spaces required,
this is the number that have to be

2484
04:28:21,440 --> 04:28:26,680
barrier-free. Um
potentially through site plan

2485
04:28:25,200 --> 04:28:34,040
agreements, we could stipulate that
those those spaces need to be for the

2486
04:28:29,840 --> 04:28:36,840
residents of the of the um residential
component.

2487
04:28:35,440 --> 04:28:40,560
Um
we've done something similar in the past

2488
04:28:38,920 --> 04:28:44,080
with um cash in lieu of parking
applications,

2489
04:28:41,880 --> 04:28:46,960
but as of right now, we have not worked
that into our recommendation. So, if

2490
04:28:45,880 --> 04:28:52,560
that's something that committee would
like to see happen, that those spaces be

2491
04:28:48,880 --> 04:28:55,440
dedicated to the residents, um then that
could be something that's brought

2492
04:28:53,440 --> 04:28:59,840
forward. But as of right now, the way
the resolution is is written, that would

2493
04:28:57,840 --> 04:29:02,600
not be a requirement.
So, those spaces would be available to

2494
04:29:01,240 --> 04:29:06,480
the public, essentially.
>> Mhm.

2495
04:29:04,040 --> 04:29:06,480
Thank you.

2496
04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:12,880
Councillor Nishikawa.
>> Thank you. I just wanted to comment on

2497
04:29:11,480 --> 04:29:17,200
the
three buildings I've been involved with

2498
04:29:14,720 --> 04:29:21,400
through the district and accessible
parking,

2499
04:29:18,400 --> 04:29:21,400
that it wasn't

2500
04:29:21,640 --> 04:29:27,080
um
it wasn't just for

2501
04:29:25,000 --> 04:29:32,200
the residents when we did the accessible
parking numbers. It was

2502
04:29:29,240 --> 04:29:37,560
quite frankly visitors as well. So, I
just didn't want to get

2503
04:29:33,880 --> 04:29:41,440
hung up on trying to manage
the users of the

2504
04:29:39,280 --> 04:29:44,120
Legion itself as opposed to the
residents.

2505
04:29:44,680 --> 04:29:50,240
» It's still a little still a little
a little unclear in my mind. First First

2506
04:29:48,960 --> 04:29:54,680
of all,
does the 121 include the 13?

2507
04:29:54,880 --> 04:30:00,240
» Through you, Chair. As currently
proposed, they are proposing five

2508
04:29:58,880 --> 04:30:03,760
barrier-free spaces,
>> Right.

2509
04:30:00,720 --> 04:30:10,480
» which would be five of the 121. What
staff are recommending is that

2510
04:30:06,240 --> 04:30:15,160
13 of the 121 be barrier-free.
>> And were you also suggesting that we

2511
04:30:12,200 --> 04:30:20,040
could make those barrier-free
available only to the residents?

2512
04:30:18,080 --> 04:30:25,200
» Through you, Chair. I think the question
was raised as to whether they would be

2513
04:30:22,040 --> 04:30:30,280
dedicated to the residential units. We
have not written that that needs to

2514
04:30:27,800 --> 04:30:34,520
happen in our staff report. We have just
noted that the zoning bylaw requires

2515
04:30:32,520 --> 04:30:39,160
this number of barrier-free units based
on the number of units and the gross

2516
04:30:36,720 --> 04:30:42,960
floor area of the other uses proposed.
If committee wants to see those

2517
04:30:41,000 --> 04:30:46,200
dedicated to the residential units,
that's something that could be

2518
04:30:44,160 --> 04:30:50,840
discussed. But as of right now, we're
not recommending that, no.

2519
04:30:47,800 --> 04:30:54,880
» And and what do we have with respect to
visitor parking? No visitor parking?

2520
04:30:53,400 --> 04:31:00,920
» Through you.
Um the proposal as currently drafted,

2521
04:30:57,680 --> 04:31:06,120
there would be 15 spaces that would be
associated with visitor parking. And

2522
04:31:04,240 --> 04:31:10,800
that is if
every unit had a space that was

2523
04:31:08,400 --> 04:31:15,400
occupied, it would leave 15 spaces left
over for visitors, but that would also

2524
04:31:12,760 --> 04:31:20,040
be for the Legion itself, the medical
clinic, and um the office spaces.

2525
04:31:19,080 --> 04:31:23,640
» Mr. Under.
>> Yeah, thank you. And through the Chair,

2526
04:31:21,280 --> 04:31:26,680
just to help uh Ms. Crowder out. So,
once we get the official plan amendment

2527
04:31:25,480 --> 04:31:29,040
and zoning bylaw amendment in place
after this, we're going to work with

2528
04:31:27,560 --> 04:31:32,760
staff on the site plan approval site
plan control process. Um something we

2529
04:31:31,720 --> 04:31:36,280
haven't highlighted enough through our
application is that a percentage of

2530
04:31:34,400 --> 04:31:39,760
these units are going to be accessible.
So, when we design this building for

2531
04:31:37,760 --> 04:31:44,080
site plan approval, to uh Counselor
Roberts' point, um we will allocate

2532
04:31:42,240 --> 04:31:49,760
accessible spaces to those units in
addition to visitor and residents. So,

2533
04:31:47,200 --> 04:31:54,840
um we're essentially setting uh minimum
of five. We would like to get to the 13

2534
04:31:52,520 --> 04:31:58,680
that staff suggested. If we can, we will
exceed that number. Um it just depends

2535
04:31:56,880 --> 04:32:02,000
on how the the site design goes at the
site plan approval. And then the number

2536
04:32:00,720 --> 04:32:04,880
of accessible units cuz we would
obviously want to target a one-to-one

2537
04:32:03,520 --> 04:32:09,840
ratio for those units for those
accessible spaces. So, ultimately the

2538
04:32:07,200 --> 04:32:12,960
current 121 um would provide for that,
but we do hope to expand the parking. I

2539
04:32:11,520 --> 04:32:17,760
just want to make that clear that we do
plan to increase these numbers uh

2540
04:32:14,640 --> 04:32:17,760
through our site plan control.

2541
04:32:17,920 --> 04:32:21,480
» Committee, any other questions do we
have?

2542
04:32:22,880 --> 04:32:25,640
Councilor Mazan.

2543
04:32:25,960 --> 04:32:32,000
» Thank you and through you and just again
on the parking piece

2544
04:32:29,720 --> 04:32:36,400
confirming that the
process will allow for

2545
04:32:34,600 --> 04:32:40,000
um
parking all to be within their

2546
04:32:39,280 --> 04:32:44,400
uh
their property footprint.

2547
04:32:42,640 --> 04:32:48,240
And that of the public space would
remain

2548
04:32:45,760 --> 04:32:51,840
for transient use, meaning
for events. Like I think somebody

2549
04:32:50,400 --> 04:32:55,680
brought up events and things like it
like it's being used today but not for

2550
04:32:53,480 --> 04:32:59,680
overnight parking.
>> Schroeder.

2551
04:32:56,880 --> 04:33:04,279
» Through you, Chair. Um am I correct that
Councilor Mazan, you're referring to the

2552
04:33:01,080 --> 04:33:07,721
lot across the across the way?
>> Thank you and through you. I think what

2553
04:33:05,520 --> 04:33:12,641
I'm just I think a concern that has been
brought up and we've experienced before

2554
04:33:09,400 --> 04:33:16,480
in other areas of the township is um
public lands are used as overnight

2555
04:33:14,680 --> 04:33:20,801
parking spots. It can create real
conflict within the community and I'm

2556
04:33:18,119 --> 04:33:24,320
just I'm actually picking up on the the
question Mayor Kelly had asked earlier

2557
04:33:22,160 --> 04:33:29,199
on. Just making sure that
the parking will be satisfied in this

2558
04:33:26,480 --> 04:33:35,760
process for this particular
um development on its own lands or

2559
04:33:32,721 --> 04:33:39,721
versus relying on public lands. We just
don't want to create a conflict. We've

2560
04:33:37,520 --> 04:33:41,520
already lived through this conflict
many times.

2561
04:33:40,641 --> 04:33:46,600
» Ms. Schroeder.
>> Through you, Chair. Um to Councilor

2562
04:33:43,000 --> 04:33:50,359
Mazan. So the main um thing that staff
were looking at when it came to the

2563
04:33:48,561 --> 04:33:54,920
residential component is that each
residence have at least one space and

2564
04:33:52,600 --> 04:33:59,119
that has been resolved. The question of
whether there are enough spaces on the

2565
04:33:56,520 --> 04:34:05,320
lands to satisfy the more public use
being the Legion facilities and any

2566
04:34:01,199 --> 04:34:07,359
events they may have um is a bit more
sub

2567
04:34:06,160 --> 04:34:12,439
uh
I always get subjective and objective

2568
04:34:08,840 --> 04:34:16,480
mixed up. But, um the parking plans that
we have before us say that the parking

2569
04:34:14,279 --> 04:34:21,199
supply is satisfactory for that.
However, we are recommending that that

2570
04:34:19,480 --> 04:34:26,520
be peer-reviewed because staff do have
significant questions and concerns with

2571
04:34:23,279 --> 04:34:31,000
that parking plan. So, provided it is
peer-reviewed and those questions

2572
04:34:28,480 --> 04:34:35,400
answered to the satisfaction of staff,
and we would be in a position to lift

2573
04:34:32,359 --> 04:34:40,680
the hold. However, if those questions
were not satisfactorily addressed,

2574
04:34:37,760 --> 04:34:44,760
then we would not lift the hold.
>> Okay, Kelly.

2575
04:34:43,240 --> 04:34:48,961
Thank you, and through you. I I just
have a couple of concerns I want to hear

2576
04:34:46,801 --> 04:34:53,641
some answers to. And one of them is the
parking concern, and one of them is the

2577
04:34:50,680 --> 04:34:58,641
use of a hold as a tool to remedy
a perceived shortage of of parking.

2578
04:34:56,359 --> 04:35:01,039
Simply because
I

2579
04:34:59,840 --> 04:35:04,039
you know,
I don't know how you can just

2580
04:35:02,641 --> 04:35:06,439
I guess we don't allow anything to
happen until they get resolved.

2581
04:35:05,480 --> 04:35:10,320
Otherwise, you're going to wind up with
a building with a deficiency of parking.

2582
04:35:08,320 --> 04:35:13,561
And the real issue for me
is not the deficiency of the parking,

2583
04:35:11,840 --> 04:35:16,320
it's what that does to the surrounding
neighborhood and the residents. We had a

2584
04:35:15,760 --> 04:35:20,039
uh
young gentleman in here earlier this

2585
04:35:18,240 --> 04:35:24,160
morning who was a store owner in the
near near area. He's counting on people

2586
04:35:21,840 --> 04:35:27,160
being able to park in or near
uh

2587
04:35:24,721 --> 04:35:33,600
proximity to his store and walk in and
buy stuff and get out. And we can't uh

2588
04:35:30,240 --> 04:35:36,881
in good conscience saddle him with the
responsibility of looking out at the

2589
04:35:35,039 --> 04:35:41,000
cars that have nowhere else to park and
have to sit there all the time. So,

2590
04:35:38,480 --> 04:35:44,400
that's a big issue. Uh I don't know once
the cat's out of the bag how you solve

2591
04:35:42,641 --> 04:35:48,766
that one. I'll throw out the other
question, and whoever wants to answer it

2592
04:35:46,160 --> 04:35:52,641
can answer it. Um I was in attendance
[clears throat] when the first

2593
04:35:50,160 --> 04:35:57,520
announcement was made, and and I don't
see um Mr. Mills here right now, but uh

2594
04:35:56,039 --> 04:36:02,561
there was certainly a lot of buzz and a
lot of interest. And I think there were

2595
04:35:59,039 --> 04:36:07,279
a lot of people who put funds up uh to
secure some right of first refusal or

2596
04:36:05,359 --> 04:36:12,400
whatever it is to get a spot in the new
building. I want to understand whether

2597
04:36:10,000 --> 04:36:16,520
or not the nature of the building has
stayed consistent throughout.

2598
04:36:14,840 --> 04:36:21,400
Is [clears throat] it still uh what
people thought they were buying into?

2599
04:36:18,119 --> 04:36:26,840
Has it changed either by financing or
other commitments that may have been

2600
04:36:22,721 --> 04:36:30,641
made? Uh has the nature of the uh
the building changed so that there's any

2601
04:36:28,561 --> 04:36:34,480
concern but that
there's still a big demand for this uh

2602
04:36:32,680 --> 04:36:38,119
product in the market.
>> So, there's two questions. I'll let

2603
04:36:36,119 --> 04:36:41,641
counselor or sorry,
Ms. Crowder um

2604
04:36:39,721 --> 04:36:44,840
answer the first one.
>> Thank you through you, Chair.

2605
04:36:42,920 --> 04:36:50,279
» Back to holding effectiveness for
>> Yeah. Yeah, so when staff read the

2606
04:36:48,320 --> 04:36:53,480
traffic study, which also speaks to
parking,

2607
04:36:51,359 --> 04:36:59,279
um there were major
concerns that were noted. Um namely that

2608
04:36:56,760 --> 04:37:03,641
the areas used as comparators simply
aren't comparative to our area. You

2609
04:37:01,920 --> 04:37:09,039
know, we Bella doesn't have any public
transit. So, to compare against only

2610
04:37:06,840 --> 04:37:15,480
areas with public transit
doesn't make a lot of sense. So, we have

2611
04:37:12,199 --> 04:37:19,760
posed, I think, four or five very big
questions that need to be addressed

2612
04:37:17,561 --> 04:37:24,480
before we would ever be in a position
where we would lift that hold. So, yeah,

2613
04:37:22,760 --> 04:37:28,840
you cannot apply for your building
permits until the hold is lifted. Um so,

2614
04:37:27,480 --> 04:37:33,400
we would not be in a position where this
building is built and then we're not

2615
04:37:31,160 --> 04:37:36,480
satisfied.
>> Ms. Crowder, the second question about

2616
04:37:34,840 --> 04:37:40,279
the nature of the building.
>> Yeah, so through the chair to to Mayor.

2617
04:37:39,160 --> 04:37:42,760
Um the nature of the building has
remained the same. For a second

2618
04:37:41,680 --> 04:37:46,920
submission, there's been a slight
internal redesign to drop the number of

2619
04:37:44,680 --> 04:37:49,721
units and also to increase the parking.
Um but the original commitments and

2620
04:37:48,240 --> 04:37:51,801
trust is all actually grow and our
remain. So,

2621
04:37:51,240 --> 04:37:55,400
um
also it's very important, sorry, just on

2622
04:37:53,080 --> 04:37:58,600
the first topic for the parking. So, the
the parking study we did that was

2623
04:37:56,920 --> 04:38:03,520
provided in support of the first
application, uh that specifically looked

2624
04:38:01,320 --> 04:38:07,240
at the 56 on-site parking spaces and
then our proposals for off-site or

2625
04:38:05,039 --> 04:38:10,801
shared parking spaces. Since that time
we've more than doubled the parking on

2626
04:38:08,641 --> 04:38:14,400
the site. We also have access to uh
approximately 81 across the street and

2627
04:38:12,520 --> 04:38:19,680
then we have adjacent owners agreements
for about 40 spaces.

2628
04:38:16,160 --> 04:38:23,359
So, the parking study originally um said
that our site was efficient. Now,

2629
04:38:22,039 --> 04:38:27,680
speaking with consultants, we haven't
had time to update that, so that's what

2630
04:38:24,760 --> 04:38:31,840
this on hold is on the zoning. And that
is a standard process, so as as Ms.

2631
04:38:29,641 --> 04:38:35,199
Crowder said, uh we have to update that
study and provide it to staff for

2632
04:38:33,439 --> 04:38:38,199
confirmation before we can lift that
zone.

2633
04:38:37,480 --> 04:38:41,680
» Follow up, Mr. Kelly.
>> Just a quick follow up and thank you for

2634
04:38:39,520 --> 04:38:45,359
that. Thank you for the information.
Uh [clears throat] the the adjacent and

2635
04:38:43,520 --> 04:38:50,400
across the street parking
um is part of my concern and you

2636
04:38:48,721 --> 04:38:56,400
probably heard my
uh focus on parking uh this morning. Um

2637
04:38:54,400 --> 04:38:59,520
my understanding, uh Ms. Crowder,
correct me if I'm wrong or I should

2638
04:38:58,480 --> 04:39:02,600
go ahead and correct me now. I'm
probably going to be wrong. Uh but uh

2639
04:39:01,992 --> 04:39:05,160
» [laughter]
>> is that

2640
04:39:03,920 --> 04:39:10,680
my understanding [clears throat] is that
the parking really has to be on land

2641
04:39:08,199 --> 04:39:13,760
owned by the same uh uh owner as the
building and I don't know that you I

2642
04:39:12,400 --> 04:39:16,961
know in the adjacent spaces you're
looking at, I think it's leased facility

2643
04:39:15,680 --> 04:39:19,561
uh leased land and I don't know what you
have across the street.

2644
04:39:18,600 --> 04:39:25,000
» Mr. Honor.
>> Yes, Mr. Chair, today Mr. Kelly. So,

2645
04:39:22,600 --> 04:39:30,039
to clarify, there's 121 parking spaces
on site and 43 of those are underground,

2646
04:39:27,760 --> 04:39:34,119
78 are at grade. So, all of the parking
is accommodated on site. The way that

2647
04:39:31,961 --> 04:39:38,280
the Legion has historically operated is
street parking, minimal on site and then

2648
04:39:36,039 --> 04:39:42,120
the 81 spaces across the street. All of
that will be maintained and actually

2649
04:39:39,440 --> 04:39:45,200
increased on our site. Um something that
we discussed in last meeting that we'd

2650
04:39:43,760 --> 04:39:48,520
like to work with the township on is
improved street parking in the area. So,

2651
04:39:47,280 --> 04:39:53,200
if we're a development working with the
municipality um along Maple and

2652
04:39:50,840 --> 04:39:56,400
surrounding areas to improve those spots
so that it's not only for us for

2653
04:39:54,560 --> 04:40:00,560
festivals, etc. that it's improved for
everyone. So, that's a large component

2654
04:39:58,320 --> 04:40:04,160
of our project. Um so, when we look at
the rough numbers, I mean, we're we're

2655
04:40:01,840 --> 04:40:08,920
looking at a total between the residents
and the visitors, we're probably in the

2656
04:40:05,920 --> 04:40:13,880
250 to 270 parking spaces with events,
which is significant considering we

2657
04:40:11,440 --> 04:40:16,720
started at about 100. So, across our
site between the shared agreements and

2658
04:40:15,360 --> 04:40:20,400
offsite, we've almost tripled the
parking or exceeded triple the parking.

2659
04:40:19,000 --> 04:40:24,440
Um and our parking space originally
supported that. So, as Ms. Crowder said,

2660
04:40:22,680 --> 04:40:28,960
um the increase hasn't been addressed
through the parking justification

2661
04:40:26,240 --> 04:40:32,960
justification study. Um that is going to
be done to remove the zone hold.

2662
04:40:34,600 --> 04:40:42,440
» Councillor Kent.
>> Can I make a call it's question. I I

2663
04:40:39,920 --> 04:40:47,240
guess my biggest concern
I have other concerns, but

2664
04:40:44,400 --> 04:40:51,440
is the sustainability of Bala
being able to deal with this 25%

2665
04:40:49,320 --> 04:40:55,200
increase in population head count. This
combined with the the prior that was

2666
04:40:53,160 --> 04:41:01,280
noted by the gentleman this morning.
It's a tiny town. It's not set up to

2667
04:40:57,320 --> 04:41:05,440
service people properly for year-round
at that level. That number of people on

2668
04:41:03,480 --> 04:41:12,040
a year-round basis. And I was wondering
what we as a township or what

2669
04:41:08,520 --> 04:41:16,040
what can be done to to support the
growth if that's what the committee

2670
04:41:14,040 --> 04:41:20,040
decides to do, but just sort of plopping
it in and doing nothing to help them

2671
04:41:18,840 --> 04:41:24,360
with maybe
a nurse practitioner's office, a

2672
04:41:22,560 --> 04:41:28,880
whatever is needed, additional grocery
store, you know, put the LCBO back, you

2673
04:41:27,240 --> 04:41:34,080
know, things that need to be done to
support this community. How do we make

2674
04:41:30,280 --> 04:41:37,320
that happen and who evaluates that?
>> Ms. Crowder, could you talk to that from

2675
04:41:35,400 --> 04:41:41,760
a planning point of view?
>> Through you, Chair. Um to Councillor

2676
04:41:38,840 --> 04:41:45,600
Kent, it's a great question. Um I can
answer it from

2677
04:41:43,080 --> 04:41:51,440
the planning side of things.
We are relying on the professional

2678
04:41:48,920 --> 04:41:55,160
guidance of provided to us by the
district and the consultant. So, the

2679
04:41:53,400 --> 04:42:00,360
district is saying that there is
capacity to service this facility.

2680
04:41:59,040 --> 04:42:04,400
Um
Yes.

2681
04:42:01,400 --> 04:42:09,040
And as far as the transportation goes,
it is recommended it be peer reviewed,

2682
04:42:06,080 --> 04:42:10,600
but provided that checks out as the as
the

2683
04:42:09,920 --> 04:42:16,240
um
study says, it it is able to support the

2684
04:42:12,880 --> 04:42:20,080
proposal. We do rely on those findings.
Um

2685
04:42:16,960 --> 04:42:24,480
as far as providing facilities, this
specific proposal does propose a medical

2686
04:42:22,200 --> 04:42:27,360
clinic within the building, um which
they're saying would have one

2687
04:42:25,480 --> 04:42:31,480
practitioner. Um
so, something to think about, but I do

2688
04:42:29,120 --> 04:42:36,600
appreciate your comments that as a whole
community,

2689
04:42:33,080 --> 04:42:39,360
you know, what will this impact be?
I don't know that I have the answer

2690
04:42:37,720 --> 04:42:43,560
specifically for you, but it is a
consideration.

2691
04:42:40,960 --> 04:42:43,560
» Councillor Nishikawa.

2692
04:42:45,000 --> 04:42:53,400
Councillor Nishikawa.
>> Oh, sorry. I just wanted to clarify, um

2693
04:42:49,880 --> 04:42:58,600
what um Ms. Crowder mentioned
from the district's perspective,

2694
04:42:55,720 --> 04:43:04,680
they were I believe I understood it to
be that the district was has room for

2695
04:43:01,240 --> 04:43:08,440
servicing, as in sewer and water,
but nothing else. Like, they're not

2696
04:43:06,480 --> 04:43:13,320
bringing transportation
to the area, ever, to Muskoka Lakes,

2697
04:43:11,240 --> 04:43:16,800
quite frankly, but I'm just saying that
that it's not on the table for that we

2698
04:43:15,200 --> 04:43:20,240
would ever get the district to And so, I
wanted just clarify that

2699
04:43:19,360 --> 04:43:21,920
from you. Thank you.
>> Ms. Crowder.

2700
04:43:20,840 --> 04:43:25,800
» Thank you. Thank you. Through you,
Chair, to Councillor Nishikawa. Yes, to

2701
04:43:23,640 --> 04:43:30,360
clarify, I'm speaking solely to water
and sewer infrastructure.

2702
04:43:28,280 --> 04:43:33,000
Thank you.
>> Councillor Zavitz.

2703
04:43:31,720 --> 04:43:38,760
Thank you, and through you. So, I'm
happy to answer uh my good friend over

2704
04:43:35,440 --> 04:43:42,960
there. Um you know, it it's interesting.
Uh we talk about seasonal and we talk

2705
04:43:40,360 --> 04:43:48,920
about, you know, year-round, Um
Bala swells in those summer those peak

2706
04:43:46,720 --> 04:43:52,160
summer months to a, you know, quite a
size.

2707
04:43:50,640 --> 04:43:56,160
And the people that are there are
accommodated and I you know, I I as the

2708
04:43:54,480 --> 04:44:02,800
district has identified this as a
development node as has we um with with

2709
04:43:59,560 --> 04:44:07,440
water and sewer as some of the services.
Yes, there we're lacking in some others,

2710
04:44:05,160 --> 04:44:11,840
but you know, I wonder if that's not a
sort of a natural growth piece as well.

2711
04:44:09,440 --> 04:44:17,080
So, I I don't want to get too far ahead
of myself, but you know, in terms of the

2712
04:44:13,840 --> 04:44:24,000
parking is probably my only concern if I
might and the parking in terms of the

2713
04:44:19,880 --> 04:44:27,320
lot that we own that anyone the public
can use

2714
04:44:25,720 --> 04:44:31,760
is that are we going to come down to
that discussion around this table? I

2715
04:44:29,840 --> 04:44:36,400
guess in terms of, you know, if you're
including it if they're including it in

2716
04:44:33,680 --> 04:44:41,000
their number, I mean, that's
our parking lot, right? So, that's

2717
04:44:38,200 --> 04:44:46,960
anybody's parking lot all day and not at
night. So, I I'd like some clarification

2718
04:44:43,240 --> 04:44:50,560
on that if I might. Screw you, chair.
>> Ms. Corriveau, I

2719
04:44:48,120 --> 04:44:54,960
I think that question if I've got it the
counselor is having is, you know, how

2720
04:44:52,240 --> 04:45:01,040
will the site plan
process will it involve us? I think you

2721
04:44:58,520 --> 04:45:05,040
would like to know that and
um

2722
04:45:03,120 --> 04:45:09,440
you how how will we know the ultimate
outcome of the parking?

2723
04:45:07,960 --> 04:45:13,440
Is that fair, Counselor Zavitz?
>> Well, screw you. Sorry, I I thank you

2724
04:45:11,400 --> 04:45:16,160
for that clarification.
What I'm saying is it's everyone's

2725
04:45:14,720 --> 04:45:20,280
parking lot. So,
for them to include it in their numbers

2726
04:45:18,920 --> 04:45:24,880
I find that a little worrisome and I
maybe that might have been a slip. Um

2727
04:45:22,520 --> 04:45:29,960
but if if he's if you're including that
as part of the 280 whatever, that

2728
04:45:27,240 --> 04:45:34,240
parking lot could be used for a birthday
party down the street and there could be

2729
04:45:31,480 --> 04:45:37,080
48 cars there. So, that's not dependable
parking is what I'm saying, 12 hours of

2730
04:45:36,440 --> 04:45:38,920
the day.
>> Understood.

2731
04:45:37,960 --> 04:45:43,200
» Mr. Hunter.
>> Yeah, through the chair to councilor so

2732
04:45:41,720 --> 04:45:47,320
that's not included in any of our
parking calculations anymore just to be

2733
04:45:45,040 --> 04:45:50,600
clear. Everything is provided on site
which was the recommendation for the

2734
04:45:48,680 --> 04:45:54,400
reason we had the original deferral.
We're saying that if there's peak events

2735
04:45:52,840 --> 04:45:57,600
and then we do have that 81 parking
spaces across the street. We're looking

2736
04:45:56,120 --> 04:46:01,080
to work with the township for on site
parking improvements along the streets.

2737
04:45:59,800 --> 04:46:04,360
There's other means that we have
available to us but as far as our

2738
04:46:02,920 --> 04:46:07,840
development and servicing the legion
goes our transportation and our

2739
04:46:06,320 --> 04:46:10,720
professional engineers say that we is
supported. We have reviewed that with

2740
04:46:09,600 --> 04:46:14,480
the district and they have the same
opinion. It's just a matter of us

2741
04:46:12,560 --> 04:46:19,640
updating that wholly into the
comprehensive revised report and getting

2742
04:46:16,680 --> 04:46:22,520
it back to staff for our submission so.
>> If I may supplemental thank you. Chair.

2743
04:46:21,920 --> 04:46:25,680
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

2744
04:46:23,600 --> 04:46:30,400
Yeah, because it's also the legion's
parking lot to use right and and you

2745
04:46:28,080 --> 04:46:31,960
have used it for
80 years.

2746
04:46:31,280 --> 04:46:34,520
» Yeah, so
>> since the legion was built so

2747
04:46:33,200 --> 04:46:39,160
» Yeah, through the chair.
That's Sorry. Um,

2748
04:46:36,760 --> 04:46:42,800
the legion has used that parking spot
and surrounding since it's open so the

2749
04:46:40,640 --> 04:46:45,960
function will remain the same. We've
added it additional spaces and we're

2750
04:46:44,360 --> 04:46:49,120
recommending further improvements for
any concerns.

2751
04:46:47,640 --> 04:46:51,320
Um, but you're right it's a public
parking space.

2752
04:46:50,280 --> 04:46:55,600
» Ms. Crowder.
>> Thank you, chair. Um,

2753
04:46:53,040 --> 04:47:01,680
just to touch on that the one of the
questions or comments that staff raised

2754
04:46:57,800 --> 04:47:06,480
about the transit study is that those
public parking spaces were being

2755
04:47:03,840 --> 04:47:09,280
included in the justification and so we
have said

2756
04:47:07,960 --> 04:47:13,080
no.
You know, these are public spaces. They

2757
04:47:11,280 --> 04:47:16,560
this this your findings your
professional opinion should not be on

2758
04:47:14,280 --> 04:47:20,200
the basis of public spaces. So that is
something that we have asked them to

2759
04:47:18,960 --> 04:47:24,440
address.
Um, and also I did want to correct cuz I

2760
04:47:22,080 --> 04:47:28,840
did misspeak earlier. I said that the
district has confirmed capacity.

2761
04:47:26,840 --> 04:47:33,920
We have included in the bylaw that is
part of the hold that confirmation of

2762
04:47:31,240 --> 04:47:37,440
capacity be received. So I just wanted
to correct myself. Thank you.

2763
04:47:35,280 --> 04:47:37,440
» You too.

2764
04:47:37,480 --> 04:47:42,040
Councillor Robertson and Councillor
Edwards.

2765
04:47:40,760 --> 04:47:47,160
Okay, so
all parking is going to be within the

2766
04:47:44,160 --> 04:47:48,880
footprint of the of the property.
And

2767
04:47:48,280 --> 04:47:54,320
um
my concern is from the gentleman who who

2768
04:47:51,400 --> 04:47:57,960
was at Birch retailing or whatever that
has there.

2769
04:47:56,240 --> 04:48:02,240
When people come to visit that
establishment where there'll be a lot of

2770
04:47:59,760 --> 04:48:05,400
visitors, they're not going to know
that

2771
04:48:03,880 --> 04:48:08,800
there's a retail business. Oh, I got
right one right in front. I'm just going

2772
04:48:06,680 --> 04:48:14,360
to park there and it'll choke this
gentleman's business off.

2773
04:48:10,680 --> 04:48:14,360
How are you going to protect that?

2774
04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:17,560
Ms. Crowder?

2775
04:48:17,640 --> 04:48:23,200
» For you, Chair.
Um

2776
04:48:19,880 --> 04:48:26,920
when public when spaces are public, they
are available

2777
04:48:24,760 --> 04:48:32,720
for anyone to use um within the
specified hours within the bylaw. So,

2778
04:48:30,280 --> 04:48:38,920
however, when spaces are
on private property,

2779
04:48:35,200 --> 04:48:42,480
those can be reserved for certain uses.
I don't know that the applicant is

2780
04:48:40,560 --> 04:48:47,160
proposing to do that, to specify certain
spaces for what, but for the spaces in

2781
04:48:44,640 --> 04:48:51,240
front of the gentleman's um business, if
we're talking about spaces along the

2782
04:48:49,160 --> 04:48:56,040
public road, those would be public and
available to anyone to park there.

2783
04:48:56,080 --> 04:49:02,280
So, that is a consideration that, you
know, committee should be aware of.

2784
04:49:00,680 --> 04:49:05,560
» Councillor Edwards.
Uh

2785
04:49:03,000 --> 04:49:12,600
thank you, Mr. Chair. I I have a few.
Looking at there's uh a miscalculation,

2786
04:49:09,520 --> 04:49:18,480
so now there's 322 spaces, so we're
deficient 201 spaces

2787
04:49:15,960 --> 04:49:20,720
and eight eight barrier-free spaces. Is
that correct?

2788
04:49:19,800 --> 04:49:25,440
» Ms. Crowder.
>> For you, Chair.

2789
04:49:21,920 --> 04:49:31,440
Um to Councillor Edwards, yes, so
I made a math error in the first report

2790
04:49:28,040 --> 04:49:36,320
and um the correct number of spaces been
included in this revised report. So, the

2791
04:49:34,400 --> 04:49:42,960
required number of spaces based on the
uses and everything proposed is 322

2792
04:49:40,120 --> 04:49:49,440
spaces per the township's zoning bylaw.
They are proposing 121 spaces,

2793
04:49:46,000 --> 04:49:51,640
which means a deficiency of 201 spaces.
>> Right.

2794
04:49:50,560 --> 04:50:00,120
Now,
I I heard mention on-street parking.

2795
04:49:55,800 --> 04:50:03,160
I And I believe from from the uh the uh
agent.

2796
04:50:01,560 --> 04:50:06,480
What about winter parking when we have
to plow roads and everything else like

2797
04:50:04,680 --> 04:50:09,400
that? You hear that?
And then,

2798
04:50:07,680 --> 04:50:14,360
do we have a parking bylaw where you can
only only uh park for so many hours?

2799
04:50:12,920 --> 04:50:16,320
No overnight parking?
>> Ms. Croner.

2800
04:50:15,080 --> 04:50:19,520
» Can you correct that?
>> Yeah, through you, Chair, to Councillor

2801
04:50:17,720 --> 04:50:22,800
Edwards. Another one of the great
questions that we have asked the

2802
04:50:20,920 --> 04:50:28,360
transportation people to look at because
that was not spoken to in the study is

2803
04:50:25,680 --> 04:50:32,880
snow and snow removal and how that
impacts their analysis. So, that is

2804
04:50:31,240 --> 04:50:38,600
something that we are looking for them
to address as part of the process where

2805
04:50:36,280 --> 04:50:43,800
the hold is is invoked for the review of
the study.

2806
04:50:39,800 --> 04:50:48,400
Um as far as the road uh parking bylaws,
I know that the lot across from the

2807
04:50:45,520 --> 04:50:53,760
Legion is day parking only. Please
correct me if I'm wrong. Um I don't

2808
04:50:51,320 --> 04:50:57,680
specifically know about Maple Street. Um
I imagine somebody around the table

2809
04:50:55,600 --> 04:51:01,680
probably does. Um but we can certainly
look into it if you'd like.

2810
04:50:59,200 --> 04:51:06,200
» Okay. And let me ask one more. There was
an approval

2811
04:51:03,320 --> 04:51:10,040
for uh a uh senior's building there. How
many units were in there and what

2812
04:51:07,600 --> 04:51:13,440
parking was in there? Like, it fit the
site at that time, did it not?

2813
04:51:12,440 --> 04:51:16,920
» Ms. Croner.
>> Through you, Chair, uh to Councillor

2814
04:51:14,720 --> 04:51:22,840
Edwards. Yes, there was an approval for
a retirement home. It was for 128 units,

2815
04:51:20,960 --> 04:51:27,640
which was the previously proposed number
of units of this application.

2816
04:51:25,560 --> 04:51:33,280
Um at our previous meeting we did go
into some depth about the differences in

2817
04:51:29,720 --> 04:51:36,800
the uses a retirement home versus um
you know, the multi-use apartment

2818
04:51:34,680 --> 04:51:41,280
building that we're talking about today.
And the number of parking spaces

2819
04:51:38,720 --> 04:51:45,960
required for retirement home is
significantly less than the the number

2820
04:51:43,520 --> 04:51:50,960
of required parking spaces for today's
proposal because of the use. Um so we do

2821
04:51:49,880 --> 04:51:54,720
have those numbers, they're in the
previous staff report and I'd be happy

2822
04:51:52,440 --> 04:51:58,680
to pull them up for you. Um but I don't
have them off the top of my head.

2823
04:51:56,280 --> 04:52:02,600
» you. I just wonder why the the change
like they had approval for something

2824
04:52:00,400 --> 04:52:08,800
they could put 128
people in it. Why not use what they have

2825
04:52:05,120 --> 04:52:12,880
because I I I could myself I can't
see

2826
04:52:09,880 --> 04:52:17,200
supplying 201 spaces somewhere else
unless they own the land, but

2827
04:52:15,400 --> 04:52:20,040
» Committee, we're getting someone into
discussion. So when I need to read the

2828
04:52:18,600 --> 04:52:22,880
resolution, we can continue with
questions as well.

2829
04:52:23,600 --> 04:52:31,240
» So moved by anybody in the council
second is

2830
04:52:27,680 --> 04:52:31,240
» I I guess it's an oversight.

2831
04:52:38,600 --> 04:52:46,120
» Moved by Mayor Kelly, seconded by
Councillor Kent. Be it resolved that

2832
04:52:42,920 --> 04:52:51,400
official plan amendment OPA-67
amended bracket bracket Royal Canadian

2833
04:52:48,520 --> 04:52:57,720
Legion be revised to reflect the amended
application as detailed in staff report

2834
04:52:53,840 --> 04:52:57,720
plan 20-26-102

2835
04:52:58,920 --> 04:53:06,200
and that the revised OPA be adopted
by the Township and that the record

2836
04:53:04,280 --> 04:53:12,720
forwarded to the District Municipality
of Muskoka for approval.

2837
04:53:09,040 --> 04:53:17,840
Uh where was I? I think Mayor Kelly.
>> Thank you and through you two questions.

2838
04:53:15,040 --> 04:53:20,920
Uh the first to uh Ms. Crowder.
Um

2839
04:53:19,480 --> 04:53:25,120
Uh uh uh uh uh uh I actually don't know
whether the hold is something that has

2840
04:53:23,200 --> 04:53:28,040
to come back to committee to be relieved
or lifted or whether it is an

2841
04:53:26,400 --> 04:53:31,280
administrative act just looked after by
staff.

2842
04:53:29,280 --> 04:53:35,160
I'm assuming it's a staff function, but
I don't Oh, it's not. It actually comes

2843
04:53:32,520 --> 04:53:40,320
here. I'm going to ask then, if it were
your call, how many I just want to focus

2844
04:53:38,000 --> 04:53:46,960
specifically on the number of available
parking spaces, um, on the property

2845
04:53:44,240 --> 04:53:53,000
itself or on contiguous land owned by
the same, uh, owner. How many spaces

2846
04:53:49,960 --> 04:53:56,880
would you need to, uh, see,
uh, before you would recommend waving or

2847
04:53:55,200 --> 04:54:00,440
lifting that hold?
Ms. Crowder.

2848
04:53:58,080 --> 04:54:06,480
Through you, Chair, to Mayor Kelly. Um,
it's not a specific number I would be

2849
04:54:02,480 --> 04:54:11,000
looking for. It is the justification,
having answered our questions. So, I I

2850
04:54:09,360 --> 04:54:17,040
don't have a specific number before you,
but when, um, we do receive a study that

2851
04:54:14,000 --> 04:54:22,600
satisfies our questions, we would then
be come back to Council for the lifting

2852
04:54:20,800 --> 04:54:26,760
of the hold, and we'd be able to update
you at that time, and provided everybody

2853
04:54:25,040 --> 04:54:30,640
was comfortable with those findings,
then you would be in a position to, um,

2854
04:54:28,520 --> 04:54:34,880
lift the hold. But, it is like a it's a
bylaw of itself to lift the hold. That's

2855
04:54:33,280 --> 04:54:40,160
good. Thank you very much. Second
question, and it relates I don't want to

2856
04:54:37,160 --> 04:54:42,360
get into the, uh,
uh,

2857
04:54:41,120 --> 04:54:45,920
I really don't want to get into the
viability of the project itself. That's

2858
04:54:44,480 --> 04:54:50,520
not where I'm going with this, and I
certainly am not making any any judgment

2859
04:54:48,480 --> 04:54:52,640
based on whether it's attainable or
affordable.

2860
04:54:51,880 --> 04:54:56,840
Um,
I think I've said it before, but just to

2861
04:54:54,560 --> 04:55:00,200
be for the record, I believe any
addition to the housing stock is

2862
04:54:58,680 --> 04:55:03,960
valuable and is
I don't particularly care, uh, whether

2863
04:55:02,880 --> 04:55:09,120
they're attainable, affordable, or
otherwise, as long as they are new

2864
04:55:05,760 --> 04:55:14,880
places for people to live. Um,
is there an element of this project that

2865
04:55:12,240 --> 04:55:18,760
will be affordable. Uh that will be
under you know, rent control to the

2866
04:55:16,800 --> 04:55:23,000
extent that it'll
maybe be something with the District of

2867
04:55:20,560 --> 04:55:25,920
Muskoka is engaged in. And if so, I'm
just curious what proportion of that

2868
04:55:24,640 --> 04:55:27,720
would be.
Uh Mr. Hunter.

2869
04:55:26,760 --> 04:55:32,200
» Yes, thank you to the chair to the
mayor. Um

2870
04:55:29,440 --> 04:55:35,520
our proposal includes a a target towards
seniors. So, to your earlier question,

2871
04:55:34,240 --> 04:55:40,280
we're not removing the seniors
component. There's still a significant

2872
04:55:37,760 --> 04:55:43,720
interest and a target towards those uh
residents who rent these units cuz it is

2873
04:55:42,080 --> 04:55:48,000
a rental building.
Out of that, uh we are targeting a

2874
04:55:45,480 --> 04:55:51,800
percentage, at least 20% to be
accessible units. So, that includes

2875
04:55:50,240 --> 04:55:57,080
people with special needs or seniors
with needs. And then, I believe we're

2876
04:55:53,720 --> 04:56:01,040
33% right now for actual affordable
criteria. And I didn't bring it today,

2877
04:55:58,880 --> 04:56:04,680
but I got a thick document through CMHC
that you have to meet all this criteria,

2878
04:56:03,040 --> 04:56:09,200
certain kinds of rents, and very
specific targets. So, um instead of

2879
04:56:07,520 --> 04:56:13,160
leaving this at purely a retirement
community, the 120 units, we dropped it

2880
04:56:11,320 --> 04:56:17,160
to 106. And then, we're trying to
actually meet the needs of uh more

2881
04:56:14,960 --> 04:56:20,640
members of the community. So,
Uh perfect. And and thank you through

2882
04:56:18,840 --> 04:56:26,960
you. And have you had discussions at all
with the the District uh housing group?

2883
04:56:23,680 --> 04:56:31,680
You have? Okay. Uh and
to my knowledge, and I have some

2884
04:56:28,800 --> 04:56:37,640
knowledge of the affordable housing,
um the District reserves the right when

2885
04:56:34,080 --> 04:56:42,240
they're engaged on a file to provide the
tenant. And those tenants may not be

2886
04:56:39,960 --> 04:56:46,200
from Bala, they may be moved in from
elsewhere within the District. We we're

2887
04:56:44,360 --> 04:56:49,080
aware of that. Is that a possibility?
Okay. Thank you.

2888
04:56:47,440 --> 04:56:53,000
» Yeah, so through the chair, the the
District is involved. I mean, this uh

2889
04:56:51,920 --> 04:56:55,560
this development, we're lucky the
clients are pretty well connected. This

2890
04:56:54,480 --> 04:56:59,480
has gone through the province through
CMHC, through the pro- uh through the

2891
04:56:57,960 --> 04:57:02,840
District. Um it's gone through all
levels. So, as as you mentioned, we do

2892
04:57:01,480 --> 04:57:06,080
have the ability to not only bring in
residents from this area, but other

2893
04:57:04,080 --> 04:57:10,200
surrounding areas who um are really in
need of affordable housing projects.

2894
04:57:08,640 --> 04:57:14,360
Our firm works throughout the whole
district of Muskoka. There's really not

2895
04:57:12,160 --> 04:57:17,960
a lot of availability, so there's quite
a lot of interest in this project. And

2896
04:57:16,400 --> 04:57:20,880
also from the adult standpoint, you
know, we're we're hearing demand for

2897
04:57:19,280 --> 04:57:28,880
this, so
yeah, it provides quite a accessibility.

2898
04:57:25,040 --> 04:57:28,880
» Do we have any other questions?

2899
04:57:29,160 --> 04:57:34,600
Councillor Roberts.
>> To the gentleman in the back, this is

2900
04:57:32,320 --> 04:57:39,400
not a public meeting, so I'm afraid you
can't make comments or questions.

2901
04:57:37,000 --> 04:57:39,400
No.

2902
04:57:39,800 --> 04:57:47,600
» Thank you, Chair.
The The other concern I have

2903
04:57:44,240 --> 04:57:54,640
is access to 169
and possibly the traffic jams that occur

2904
04:57:51,280 --> 04:57:54,640
in during our peak months.

2905
04:57:54,760 --> 04:58:00,520
What are
staff's thoughts on that?

2906
04:57:58,920 --> 04:58:05,760
» Ms. Crowder.
>> Through you, Chair, to Councillor

2907
04:58:02,120 --> 04:58:11,440
Roberts. So, the traffic impact brief
has been submitted, which states that

2908
04:58:08,760 --> 04:58:15,040
there won't be an impact.
One of the requirements of the hold is

2909
04:58:13,280 --> 04:58:20,520
that it be peer reviewed.
So, we would be looking to have that

2910
04:58:16,840 --> 04:58:23,880
document peer reviewed and
go from there. That's right. Thank you.

2911
04:58:22,760 --> 04:58:26,960
» Councillor Zavitz.
>> Thank you, and through you, just to

2912
04:58:24,800 --> 04:58:30,560
speak to that to the Councillor.
There are five access egress ingress

2913
04:58:29,520 --> 04:58:34,240
points
from there

2914
04:58:32,040 --> 04:58:37,760
to get in and out. So, I mean, I think I
guess I counted

2915
04:58:35,000 --> 04:58:41,840
» There's five between River Street and
other accesses, so lots of access.

2916
04:58:45,160 --> 04:58:52,600
» Any other uh Councillor Ishikawa.
>> Well, I just wanted to One of the

2917
04:58:49,280 --> 04:58:57,800
concerns from um the the gentleman from
Birch Park this morning was that in fact

2918
04:58:55,280 --> 04:59:02,720
cars would be lined up in front of his
business and no one would be able to

2919
04:59:00,040 --> 04:59:06,920
have access to his business because
waiting to make and it's the left-hand

2920
04:59:04,680 --> 04:59:11,360
turn. We all that have that problem on
118 when we try to leave this office.

2921
04:59:09,640 --> 04:59:16,560
Um and it's about the one eight that
that left-hand turn. So, it's a big

2922
04:59:14,120 --> 04:59:20,160
bigger issue than this pic particular
development that the district should

2923
04:59:18,600 --> 04:59:25,000
start addressing.
But, it is a concern of that business

2924
04:59:22,360 --> 04:59:29,680
owner that people will be lined up
waiting to make that left-hand turn in

2925
04:59:27,440 --> 04:59:34,720
in summer and not people won't have
access to his building. So, that's But,

2926
04:59:31,600 --> 04:59:34,720
I don't know that

2927
04:59:34,880 --> 04:59:39,000
we can control that through this
application.

2928
04:59:39,120 --> 04:59:46,080
» Committee, any other questions?
Ms. Crowder, I have a question. Does uh

2929
04:59:44,720 --> 04:59:50,280
if it has
affordable housing

2930
04:59:48,280 --> 04:59:54,360
does that are there different parking
requirements for affordable housing?

2931
04:59:55,000 --> 05:00:01,520
» Through you, Chair. It's a great
question. Um

2932
04:59:59,040 --> 05:00:07,080
as of right now
we don't have any guarantee that these

2933
05:00:03,840 --> 05:00:11,800
will be affordable units. Yes, the
intent has been stated very clearly. Um

2934
05:00:09,880 --> 05:00:18,880
but, the township doesn't have any way
to regulate that. Um sec- the second

2935
05:00:15,600 --> 05:00:23,040
point I would say is that our bylaw
doesn't currently account for any kind

2936
05:00:21,200 --> 05:00:28,280
of parking differentiation between
affordable and not. I know that in um

2937
05:00:26,720 --> 05:00:32,960
cities, there's been a big provincial
movement to lessen the parking

2938
05:00:30,480 --> 05:00:37,600
requirements um across the board, but
particularly for situations like

2939
05:00:34,880 --> 05:00:42,920
apartment buildings. However, I would
say those are very city specific or or

2940
05:00:40,360 --> 05:00:47,480
larger area specific because of public
transit, which really isn't a

2941
05:00:44,640 --> 05:00:53,000
consideration here.
>> Councillor Robert Edwards.

2942
05:00:51,040 --> 05:00:56,920
Uh
I'm concerned about the holding.

2943
05:00:55,200 --> 05:01:02,560
And that's simply because if they can't
do it, it just going to fall apart.

2944
05:00:59,480 --> 05:01:07,000
If we deferred this again, could they do
some some

2945
05:01:04,600 --> 05:01:11,600
more work on how they're going to solve
it because like I say, we pass it with a

2946
05:01:09,240 --> 05:01:16,800
holding and they can't do it, it's going
to fall apart. But if we deferred it and

2947
05:01:14,680 --> 05:01:21,200
they they they talked to the district
and everything else that they they may

2948
05:01:18,800 --> 05:01:26,440
have to reduce it a little bit or do
some some some tweaking on it. Would

2949
05:01:23,840 --> 05:01:29,840
that not be better than than a holding?
Ms. Croner?

2950
05:01:28,200 --> 05:01:35,080
» Through you, Chair, to Councillor
Edwards. Um this project's been a little

2951
05:01:32,480 --> 05:01:41,120
bit unique in that we have been asked to
asked to address many of these items

2952
05:01:38,080 --> 05:01:46,600
through utilization of a hold as opposed
to deferring, specifically because it's

2953
05:01:44,480 --> 05:01:51,800
been communicated to me by the applicant
and agent that

2954
05:01:49,160 --> 05:01:56,600
their need for funding for this project
is dependent on a bylaw or an approval

2955
05:01:55,160 --> 05:02:01,600
being given.
Um if the applications are deferred,

2956
05:01:59,360 --> 05:02:05,960
they would not have that approval, so
they have requested that these be

2957
05:02:03,160 --> 05:02:10,680
addressed via a hold provision. However,
it is committee's right to

2958
05:02:08,120 --> 05:02:13,160
um change that direction and defer
should they wish to do so.

2959
05:02:12,600 --> 05:02:18,720
Um
I think ultimately you would be able to

2960
05:02:15,800 --> 05:02:22,600
accomplish either way. So um we have
been amenable to their request.

2961
05:02:20,440 --> 05:02:25,000
» Okay, yeah.
Supplemental then?

2962
05:02:23,680 --> 05:02:30,840
» Yes.
>> So if they're getting funding on on

2963
05:02:28,200 --> 05:02:37,160
these units, they may not ever be
approved if they can't meet the holding.

2964
05:02:34,360 --> 05:02:37,160
» They won't get the

2965
05:02:38,600 --> 05:02:44,800
» Fair comment. Um Mayor Kelly.
>> Thank you and through you, I just want

2966
05:02:43,120 --> 05:02:51,320
to address that last issue. I I really
think in this circumstance uh sticking

2967
05:02:47,000 --> 05:02:55,600
with the hold uh we're in a really um
well, hopefully opportunistic market for

2968
05:02:53,720 --> 05:03:00,080
people who are building uh attainable
and affordable housing and housing of

2969
05:02:57,080 --> 05:03:03,120
any kind. There is uh I think it's a
theory so far, but tons of money

2970
05:03:01,600 --> 05:03:08,000
available through CMHC and other
sources. And it's really uh imperative

2971
05:03:05,720 --> 05:03:13,320
that the we get this far with the
project so that the applications can be

2972
05:03:10,760 --> 05:03:17,400
made, the funding's process can start,
it probably takes some time while we

2973
05:03:15,440 --> 05:03:21,560
sort out the hold on on the other side.
I frankly don't see uh the difference

2974
05:03:20,040 --> 05:03:25,320
nothing's going to happen on the premise
until the hold is lifted. And in the

2975
05:03:23,160 --> 05:03:31,560
meantime, because we've chosen to hold
rather than defer, um the uh

2976
05:03:28,360 --> 05:03:34,200
organization can start the process of of
application for the funding that's

2977
05:03:32,960 --> 05:03:39,040
available.
>> Councillor Nishikawa.

2978
05:03:36,000 --> 05:03:44,360
» Thank you. Through um you and I
I almost I'm going to ask if we have an

2979
05:03:42,000 --> 05:03:48,680
opinion from the district at this point.
I have

2980
05:03:46,320 --> 05:03:54,240
been on district council where
we have approved projects we thought

2981
05:03:51,440 --> 05:04:00,280
with with other holds on
and in fact um

2982
05:03:57,640 --> 05:04:03,360
it CMHC actually didn't give them the
funding because the hold wasn't a

2983
05:04:01,960 --> 05:04:06,040
guarantee that this thing was going to
get built.

2984
05:04:04,640 --> 05:04:09,320
So, I don't know where what that looks
like, but I would love to have

2985
05:04:07,160 --> 05:04:11,760
district's opinion uh cuz they're on the
call.

2986
05:04:13,960 --> 05:04:16,440
» Um

2987
05:04:16,720 --> 05:04:19,360
Mr. Hunter.
>> Yes.

2988
05:04:18,520 --> 05:04:23,520
» We'll come to
>> I'll I'll be quick on that. So, two two

2989
05:04:21,760 --> 05:04:28,160
important components here, like we we
need the the zoning and OPA passed with

2990
05:04:25,840 --> 05:04:32,000
the hold. The hold gives us the freedom
and the power of the township to control

2991
05:04:30,320 --> 05:04:36,040
matters such as traffic.
But, speaking plainly, our applicant and

2992
05:04:34,400 --> 05:04:40,440
our owner cannot be spending any more
money, like have the traffic report

2993
05:04:38,160 --> 05:04:43,280
updated, archaeological or sorry,
architectural. Like these are very

2994
05:04:41,720 --> 05:04:46,400
expensive
studies and and engineers that we're

2995
05:04:45,040 --> 05:04:50,000
paying. So,
to progress and get to point where we

2996
05:04:48,200 --> 05:04:53,080
can do more detailed design and address
these concerns, like we need that

2997
05:04:51,480 --> 05:04:56,560
financing and frankly though with the
promise it's just waiting to press the

2998
05:04:54,520 --> 05:05:00,840
button. Um
so there is a commitment to that and we

2999
05:04:59,520 --> 05:05:03,960
were I guess we're we're really
requesting that we need to have this

3000
05:05:02,280 --> 05:05:08,320
brought forward to a motion. We we can't
have a deferral and we accept the hold

3001
05:05:06,400 --> 05:05:12,440
and it gives staff and council the
ability to have that control before it

3002
05:05:10,160 --> 05:05:16,880
is removed.
>> Um do we have the district was he the

3003
05:05:15,040 --> 05:05:19,720
district planner?
>> No.

3004
05:05:17,440 --> 05:05:25,600
» Through through you chair, um the
district is no longer online I've been

3005
05:05:21,840 --> 05:05:29,880
told. Um all I can say is they provided
comment on the applications saying they

3006
05:05:28,120 --> 05:05:33,960
are not opposed, but they did not
provide anything further than that.

3007
05:05:32,352 --> 05:05:36,440
» [clears throat]
>> Mayor Kelly.

3008
05:05:35,040 --> 05:05:40,200
Thank you and through you. I I just want
to make sure we we we know what we're

3009
05:05:38,480 --> 05:05:43,320
voting for here. The
there's no guarantee that anybody's

3010
05:05:41,520 --> 05:05:47,480
going to step up and fund,
but there is a guarantee that if we

3011
05:05:44,800 --> 05:05:52,760
don't approve this with a hold, we'll
never find out. So, at least this way we

3012
05:05:50,720 --> 05:05:57,000
can put a stake in the ground, we can
give the necessary support, the township

3013
05:05:55,120 --> 05:06:01,920
can give the necessary support to the
owner of the building or the developer

3014
05:05:59,680 --> 05:06:05,040
uh to start the application process
while we work through those other issues

3015
05:06:03,840 --> 05:06:07,440
that are still going to be subject to
the hold.

3016
05:06:12,000 --> 05:06:17,360
» All right committee, any other debate on
this?

3017
05:06:15,800 --> 05:06:20,880
» Councillor
Edwards.

3018
05:06:18,480 --> 05:06:25,320
» The only thing I I I'm concerned about
is we heard the business owner today say

3019
05:06:23,800 --> 05:06:28,200
it's a problem
for him.

3020
05:06:26,640 --> 05:06:33,320
So, if
if we're starting to lose this and that

3021
05:06:30,360 --> 05:06:37,160
I say like we can go ahead with it. It's
not a good situation.

3022
05:06:35,600 --> 05:06:42,200
I think we all know that. That's why
we're asking all these these questions.

3023
05:06:40,280 --> 05:06:46,200
It was approved for
for a seniors building they could put

3024
05:06:43,760 --> 05:06:50,680
that in they would do the housing that
that that is required and everything

3025
05:06:47,920 --> 05:06:54,080
else say that it's the changes that's
that's what I'm concerned about.

3026
05:06:55,920 --> 05:07:02,760
» Thank you and through you I I'm going to
stay on this one because I have a very

3027
05:07:01,080 --> 05:07:06,320
keen interest in seeing some housing get
built around here.

3028
05:07:04,520 --> 05:07:10,280
Um
I I think you can pick any intersection

3029
05:07:08,800 --> 05:07:13,240
anywhere in this Township and say we're
going to build something here and people

3030
05:07:11,880 --> 05:07:17,480
would pop out of the woodwork and say
not in my yard not near me. I don't like

3031
05:07:15,320 --> 05:07:21,640
this. It's a it's a fact of life. There
was a very articulate I I gather that

3032
05:07:19,720 --> 05:07:25,160
the email we all got yesterday was the
same person that spoke today. I didn't

3033
05:07:23,080 --> 05:07:28,920
make the link.
Oh it wasn't. Oh.

3034
05:07:26,880 --> 05:07:32,640
There was a very articulate email that
that came out yesterday late late

3035
05:07:30,720 --> 05:07:35,640
yesterday.
You know, you you have to pay attention

3036
05:07:34,200 --> 05:07:39,600
to these things and there was some very
good issues raised. The simple fact of

3037
05:07:37,920 --> 05:07:43,360
the matter is at some point in time we
have to make a value judgment. Do we

3038
05:07:41,240 --> 05:07:48,880
value the opportunity to grow the
community to to stop the aging and

3039
05:07:46,040 --> 05:07:54,040
shrinking population base to revitalize
the economy to put people back in you

3040
05:07:51,800 --> 05:07:58,440
know, I heard Miss
Buster this morning say or something it

3041
05:07:56,920 --> 05:08:01,360
was actually Miss Grogan Green say
nobody has had an opportunity to work at

3042
05:08:00,080 --> 05:08:05,600
Cleaves for
a decade or something.

3043
05:08:04,160 --> 05:08:08,560
We got to turn this around and it's got
to start somewhere. It's got to start

3044
05:08:07,240 --> 05:08:14,080
with a stake in the ground that says we
will build here and we will find people

3045
05:08:11,840 --> 05:08:18,200
to live here and they will be consumers
in this marketplace and they will be

3046
05:08:16,520 --> 05:08:22,440
workers in this marketplace and
hopefully someday they'll grow kids in

3047
05:08:20,280 --> 05:08:26,520
this marketplace and they'll fill hockey
leagues and and

3048
05:08:24,440 --> 05:08:32,800
church groups and so on. It's it's a
difficult thing but you're not going to

3049
05:08:28,960 --> 05:08:37,400
find zero opposition anywhere. So
I we've had one or two. They were both

3050
05:08:35,800 --> 05:08:41,240
well done. I thought the presentation
this morning was well-done. But I you

3051
05:08:40,120 --> 05:08:46,600
know,
maybe help them understand that we just

3052
05:08:43,920 --> 05:08:49,520
imported 130 new people who are going to
be

3053
05:08:47,880 --> 05:08:53,000
buying in your store.
That may be worth losing a few parking

3054
05:08:51,400 --> 05:08:58,760
spaces. I don't know. But by the way,
I'm not going to be too pleased if the

3055
05:08:55,600 --> 05:09:02,240
parking is reliant on public space or
roadside space. That's

3056
05:09:00,480 --> 05:09:07,840
This is we're not here to subsidize the
development of this thing with parking.

3057
05:09:04,640 --> 05:09:11,720
They've got to come back under the hold.
We'll come back and we'll look. That's

3058
05:09:09,480 --> 05:09:17,280
why I was trying to get a sense from Ms.
Crowder if there was a hard number. We

3059
05:09:14,920 --> 05:09:21,080
will have an opportunity to decide
whether this moves ahead, whether

3060
05:09:18,520 --> 05:09:26,320
there's sufficient parking on site that
the people who actually operate and live

3061
05:09:23,040 --> 05:09:30,960
around the space have much less to worry
about than they think they do.

3062
05:09:29,280 --> 05:09:35,120
» Uh Counselor Davidson, Counselor Massin.
>> Uh thank you. I would say here, here to

3063
05:09:32,840 --> 05:09:38,520
the mayor on those comments and I would
ask for the vote, please. Thank you.

3064
05:09:37,720 --> 05:09:40,680
» Director Crowder.
>> Okay.

3065
05:09:41,960 --> 05:09:47,000
It's a point of order. I I think the
group has to agree to that.

3066
05:09:45,240 --> 05:09:51,600
» You have to sort of, you know, orally
decide to ask.

3067
05:09:49,560 --> 05:09:55,640
» Right. Um
The group has to

3068
05:09:53,320 --> 05:09:57,800
being told by
>> There are two

3069
05:09:56,120 --> 05:10:00,640
» We need We need two-thirds agreement to
call a vote.

3070
05:10:00,760 --> 05:10:05,120
All those in favor of calling the vote
right now.

3071
05:10:06,000 --> 05:10:11,384
Okay, we didn't get two-thirds.
Counselor Massin.

3072
05:10:09,600 --> 05:10:15,040
» I would have called the vote.
>> [laughter]

3073
05:10:12,360 --> 05:10:18,800
» I just wanted to um add and remind that
it was 2 days ago. I was trying to

3074
05:10:16,560 --> 05:10:23,240
remind myself as I was listening when we
all sat and listened to our economic

3075
05:10:20,880 --> 05:10:28,720
development strategy and the direct link
with and importance of adding. They

3076
05:10:25,880 --> 05:10:33,440
focused on attainable housing within our
township. And I just think some of the

3077
05:10:30,400 --> 05:10:36,720
questions I mean it's day egg and the
what's it called? The chicken or the egg

3078
05:10:34,640 --> 05:10:41,520
scenario, but you know, certainly would
think that by adding housing into a a

3079
05:10:39,440 --> 05:10:45,800
town or a community, then we are going
to start seeing some of the other

3080
05:10:43,440 --> 05:10:49,040
businesses kind of growing and
flourishing in that area simply because

3081
05:10:47,560 --> 05:10:53,080
you have more people
walking around and shopping. So, you

3082
05:10:51,480 --> 05:10:57,960
know, I think it becomes these things
are all very much linked and I think to

3083
05:10:55,600 --> 05:11:03,040
echo the comments, my my biggest focus
is to ensure that we've got the right

3084
05:11:00,680 --> 05:11:06,840
parking to support whatever the density
and it sounds to me like we've got a

3085
05:11:04,720 --> 05:11:11,240
very good plan in place with staff
through this holding provision to allow

3086
05:11:08,160 --> 05:11:17,540
for that and to help the applicant get
this project financed if they can.

3087
05:11:15,640 --> 05:11:19,558
And then I would call the vote but
>> [laughter]

3088
05:11:20,080 --> 05:11:24,040
» Uh committee, any more questions or
comments?

3089
05:11:24,360 --> 05:11:27,480
Are we ready to vote now?

3090
05:11:29,920 --> 05:11:35,160
» No, I'm good.
>> I need short. I don't know if I can put

3091
05:11:33,240 --> 05:11:38,960
it on the screen.
>> I'll read the resolution again we've

3092
05:11:36,840 --> 05:11:43,000
requested. Moved by Mayor Kelly,
seconded by Councillor Cain.

3093
05:11:41,680 --> 05:11:46,600
Be it resolved that the official plan
amendment OPA-67

3094
05:11:45,680 --> 05:11:51,480
and it
is - amended bracket Royal Canadian

3095
05:11:48,920 --> 05:11:58,240
Legion be revised to reflect the amended
application as detailed in staff report

3096
05:11:54,840 --> 05:11:58,240
plan 2026-102

3097
05:11:58,680 --> 05:12:05,840
and that the revised OPA be adopted by
the township and the record forwarded to

3098
05:12:03,480 --> 05:12:08,520
the District Municipality of Muskoka for
approval.

3099
05:12:09,720 --> 05:12:12,680
All those in favor.

3100
05:12:12,920 --> 05:12:17,800
Any opposed?
That carries.

3101
05:12:20,440 --> 05:12:27,200
» This is the bylaw?
>> Yes, it is.

3102
05:12:24,760 --> 05:12:31,960
» And who's the bylaw?
All right, so now we have the That was

3103
05:12:28,920 --> 05:12:36,880
the OP. This is the bylaw.
Uh moved by Councillor Edwards, seconded

3104
05:12:34,320 --> 05:12:43,080
by Councillor McIntyre.
Be it resolved that zoning

3105
05:12:38,760 --> 05:12:47,640
bylaw application amendment ZBA-22/26
amended Royal Canadian Legion be

3106
05:12:45,200 --> 05:12:51,160
approved subject to the following:
that the draft bylaw and associated

3107
05:12:49,400 --> 05:12:57,440
schedules be revised to reflect the
amended applications as detailed in the

3108
05:12:53,480 --> 05:13:02,560
staff report plan 2026-102.
That the draft bylaw be revised to

3109
05:12:59,760 --> 05:13:07,240
require that 13 of the proposed parking
spaces be required to be barrier for

3110
05:13:05,560 --> 05:13:11,800
free spaces in accordance with the
requirement of the township's

3111
05:13:08,360 --> 05:13:16,680
comprehensive zoning bylaw 2014-14
as amended and that revisions be made to

3112
05:13:14,440 --> 05:13:22,560
the draft bylaw to
A, amend section two bracket or 2D to

3113
05:13:20,400 --> 05:13:26,280
state that the parking justification
report be updated to satisfactorily

3114
05:13:25,040 --> 05:13:33,000
address
staff's comments instead of being period

3115
05:13:29,280 --> 05:13:36,720
reviewed and B, remove section 2G
being that the lands received site plan

3116
05:13:35,000 --> 05:13:41,360
approval prior to the lifting of the
holding

3117
05:13:37,800 --> 05:13:45,800
of holding H provision.
Any debate?

3118
05:13:43,480 --> 05:13:51,080
All those in favor.
Any opposed?

3119
05:13:48,200 --> 05:13:51,080
That carries.

3120
05:13:51,600 --> 05:13:53,880
Where the hell

3121
05:14:01,840 --> 05:14:09,920
Committee, we have one final
resolution here.

3122
05:14:06,520 --> 05:14:09,920
Moved by

3123
05:14:10,560 --> 05:14:16,480
Councillor Kent,
seconded by Mayor Kelly.

3124
05:14:17,120 --> 05:14:24,360
Be it resolved that the special planning
committee meeting adjourn at

3125
05:14:22,400 --> 05:14:27,960
2:12 p.m.
The next regular planning committee

3126
05:14:25,800 --> 05:14:34,440
meeting will be held on Thursday,
September the 17th, 2023 2026 at 9:00

3127
05:14:32,080 --> 05:14:40,040
a.m. via an electronically and in-person
hybrid format from the council members

3128
05:14:36,920 --> 05:14:44,240
council chambers municipality
municipal offices in beautiful downtown

3129
05:14:42,760 --> 05:14:48,800
Port Carling, Ontario. All those in
favor?

3130
05:14:46,120 --> 05:14:48,800
Thank you.