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Okay, welcome everybody to the July 29,

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2026 Council meeting

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for the Township of Muskoka Lakes.

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This is the second meeting in the month

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of July.

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Uh and we have a fair amount on the

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agenda, so I'm going to jump right into

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it.

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I will call the meeting to order at 9:00

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9:00 9:00

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and I can verbally confirm I can

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actually confirm that we have quorum.

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Uh all are present in the

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uh in the room. Uh the only counselor

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missing is Counselor Bury, who is uh

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absent from today's proceedings.

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Um I can also [clears throat] confirm

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that the CAO, the clerk, and other

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members of the senior management team

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are present, and I would point out that

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uh CAO Pink has joined us. He's the

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bottom box on the uh screen there.

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Welcome, David.

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Uh I'm going to start also with the uh

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land acknowledgement statement. We want

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to acknowledge that we are on lands

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traditionally occupied by indigenous

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peoples.

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Indigenous peoples have cared for this

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territory for the benefit of future

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generations, and their stewardship

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throughout the ages is recognized.

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Thank you.

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Um again,

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normal notice we give. Today's meeting

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is being live streamed and recorded on

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the Township of Muskoka Lakes website

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and its YouTube channel.

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And by participating in the open public

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meeting today, you are consenting to

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your image,

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your voice, and your comments being

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recorded and posted online.

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Uh we did seek uh input on this agenda

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uh at our normal uh place, which is a uh

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email box at

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tmlpubliccomment@muskokalakes.ca,

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and we received none on this agenda.

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Um, there is a supplementary agenda. It

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was issued, I believe, yesterday or 2

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days ago, and uh simply added the

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following to the original agenda.

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Um, first of all, it noted that the

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meeting starts at 9:00 a.m.

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Uh, number two, uh bylaw 2026-087

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and OPA bylaw 2026-088,

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OPA 64 and ZBA 22/23,

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Ontario Inc. and 2665556

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Ontario Inc., Resort Village of Minett,

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1048 and 1112 Juddhaven Road, 4-14-058,

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the bylaw was added. So, we'll get to

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that in the bylaw segment.

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Uh,

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the third uh addition is

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uh item 9BA, uh the bylaw 2026-089

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being a bylaw to establish and appoint a

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Muskoka compliance audit committee. That

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was replaced.

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And that brings me to the point where I

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ask if anybody uh on council

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has, based on what they see on the

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agenda, has any uh pecuniary interest

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they wish to disclose at this time.

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All right, thank you for that. Seeing

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none, uh we'll show the let the record

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show there were no none, but if you find

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yourself in in a point of conflict of

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interest or other pecuniary issue

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uh during the process proceedings of

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this meeting, please uh identify the

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issue, and uh we will deal with it

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accordingly.

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And I think there's last two issues, the

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motions that we will be reading were

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pre-populated with random movers and

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seconders, and this is done just

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expedite the meeting.

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And I'm going to ask all voting that the

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members shall physically raise their

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hand

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until I have confirmed the vote and if

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the vote is unclear,

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um a verbal vote shall be recorded by

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the clerk and in that particular case,

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it will not be considered a recorded

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vote.

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Okay, so we'll move on to

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the uh

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agenda for today's meeting. Um we are

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moving to uh number four, invited

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presentations. I don't believe there

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were any.

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No, I don't see any.

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Uh delegations, I don't believe that

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there were any uh requests to delegate.

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we got any No, nobody uh registered to

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do that either.

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All right, then we'll move to some of

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the more administrative stuff. The

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consent agenda. First of all, approving

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a consent agenda,

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um which is a resolution

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reading as follows, moved by Councillor

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Nishikawa, seconded by Councillor Kent.

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Be it resolved that the mayor and the

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council adopt and enact the following

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minutes and recommendations contained in

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the July 15, 2026 consent agenda

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and direct staff to proceed with all

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necessary administrative actions. Number

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one, July 15, 2026 general and finance

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committee minutes and action items one

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through 10.

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Number two, July 15, 2026 council

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minutes.

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Number three, July 16, 2026 planning

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committee minutes and action items one

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through 11.

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And finally, [clears throat]

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July 17, 2026 special planning committee

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minutes and action items one through

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nine.

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Does anybody have any questions or any

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comments? Councillor Nishikawa.

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>> Sorry, I am having a little bit of a

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» Sorry, I am having a little bit of a

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challenge to find if I have a pecuniary

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interest on something we had voted last

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meeting. And so, I am going to not

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>> You're going to recuse from the consent

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» You're going to recuse from the consent

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agenda?

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Anyone else with a comment or question?

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I'm not seeing any, then I will call the

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vote. All in favor.

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That carries. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Next up, we're going to call on Andrew

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Whitfield, who is the CEO and chief

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librarian for the Muskoka Lakes Public

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Library to uh

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to give us an update on library

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activities. Welcome.

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It's really great to see such a big

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turnout for the uh library update.

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» Good call.

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>> Anyway, thanks everyone for coming

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» Anyway, thanks everyone for coming

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Uh good morning, Mayor and members of

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council. Uh I'll try and keep this brief

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as I know there is a lot on the docket

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today.

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Uh and I don't want to hold things up.

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I was speaking to the Muskoka Ratepayers

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Association AGM a couple of weeks ago,

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and a few counselors in the room

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mentioned they thought all of council

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would like to hear all that is going on

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at the library. So, that's what brings

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me here this morning.

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I'm sure when many of you hear library,

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you still naturally think of books, and

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books remain at the heart of what we do.

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But, today's library is also a community

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center, a learning space, and a lending

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library for far more than books.

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From Ontario Parks and local museum

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passes

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to items like

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a Cricut machine and sewing machines,

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binoculars and hiking poles, Yoto

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players and Yoto cards, and so much

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more, we truly offer something for

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everyone.

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It's also one of the few, if only,

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spaces in the township where anyone can

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walk through our doors year-round, spend

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time, ask for help, and take part in

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something without being expected to buy

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anything.

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While certainly quieter than the summer

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months, the library is still a hub of

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activity and engagement in the winter.

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The days are short, the roads aren't

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always easy, and for a lot of residents,

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the library becomes one of the few warm,

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welcoming spaces to spend an afternoon

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or evening.

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From January through March, we had over

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4,000 people walk through our branch

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doors. We delivered 128 programs and

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welcomed more than 800 program

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participants across both branches.

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From story times, senior programs, tech

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help, author talks, and cozy afternoon

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crafts,

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we did it all. Our circulation numbers

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held up just as well. Nearly 6,800,

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approximately a third of which were

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digital checkouts, items were checked

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out across both branches in those three

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months alone. And we've kept that

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momentum going through the summer.

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Through June, we've signed up 123 new

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card members since the beginning of the

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year.

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June was also one of our busier months,

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both in terms of foot traffic through

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the door and circulation since I've been

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here. And July is shaping up to be the

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same, if not more so.

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summer, we continued to offer programs

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for all ages. We've been running our

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weekly nature clubs, story times, STEAM

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and something learned programming to

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great attendance. We've installed story

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trails across three Township parks,

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hosted a visit from the Canadian Raptor

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Conservancy in Bala, had a needle

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felting workshop, and hosted the Mind

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Aid Mobile Youth Hub at the front of the

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Port Carling branch.

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Uh and that's probably only two-thirds

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of what we've done in July.

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Our summer reading challenges kicked off

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at both branches, and last year we had

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over 100 kids read over 1,000 books. And

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our Art on a Shelf and Mini Masters Art

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Exhibits have just opened in Port

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Carling, so come take a look.

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We're also hoping to beat that uh number

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of kids that both registered and number

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of books read last year. And we're on

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Anyway, sorry. Looking ahead,

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August is a big one. We're celebrating

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25 years in our Port Carling home, the

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Norma and Miller Alloway Muskoka Lakes

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Library, and 139 years of library

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service

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across what is now known as Muskoka

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Lakes altogether.

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We have a week of special programming

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running August 17th to 22nd, culminating

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in a family fun day on August 22nd at

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the Port Carling branch. So, mark your

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calendars and head to our website for

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more info on all that is happening.

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Another quick reminder, I'd be remiss to

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not mention the Friends of the Library

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silent auction. The 15th annual is

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underway and ends on August 6th. We have

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over 120 items that have been donated

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from local businesses and residents,

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which is a real testament to how much

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this community believes in its library.

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Every item and dollar donated goes to

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the Friends, which in turn supports

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library's programs, services, and

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spaces. It's truly neighbors supporting

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neighbors.

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And speaking of services and spaces,

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this is the final update before I wrap

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up. Our service and space review is

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underway, and for many of you, this may

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be the first real update you've had

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since it was approved at budget time. Um

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in plain terms, we're taking a close

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look at how well our services and our

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two physical spaces in Port Carling and

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Bala are meeting our community's needs

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today and where they'll need to head as

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Muskoka Lakes continues to grow.

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Consultants have been working through

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background research, existing plans, and

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growth forecasts since May, and in June,

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we launched a public survey that stays

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open through Labor Day.

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Available online at our website, so

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please take a moment, all of you, to

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fill it out, and everyone here, please

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fill it out, uh and pass it along to

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your constituents as well.

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Over the coming weeks, our consultants

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will be reaching out directly to members

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of council, along with some members of

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the Township senior leadership team, uh

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for them to share their thoughts

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directly.

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Everything that comes out of this feeds

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into their final report this fall, which

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will then go to the board and then come

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to council for just further updates and

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more info.

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So, stay tuned. Last thing, and it ties

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back to what brought me here today, uh

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at the rate payers AGM a couple of weeks

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ago, a gentleman, not a counselor,

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though not the two are mutually

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exclusive, uh came up to chat.

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He just

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Uh he told me uh that he and his wife

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had recently moved to the area, and he

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admitted and I I admit this sounds like

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a cliche political speak or like

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anecdote, but this this really happened.

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He came up to me and said he and his

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wife just moved to the area, and he was

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begrudgingly talked into getting a

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library card. And while he was there, he

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had his arm twisted further by our staff

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uh to sign up for our newsletter.

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And then he told me that he never really

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supported public libraries. He said he

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just didn't really see the point. He

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didn't use them.

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But since he'd signed up for our

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newsletter and the card, he got our new

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monthly newsletter, and every month he

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just sort of saw all that the library is

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doing. And he now is, he said, a true

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supporter of the library. He comes in,

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he looks forward to the monthly

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newsletter.

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Um so, he's changed his mind uh seeing

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everything we offer every month to

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residents. So, I'd encourage all of you

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and anyone in the audience and anyone

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tuning in, cuz I think we've got a big

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audience for today,

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uh to both sign up for three things.

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Visit a Muskoka Lakes Public Library

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branch

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uh if you haven't already, make it part

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of your routine. Uh sign up for a

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Muskoka Lakes Public Library card, if

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you haven't already,

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uh or at the very least sign up for the

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Muskoka Lakes Public Library newsletter.

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Uh you can then hear about everything

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we've got going on, um and it'll be

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probably

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a little better uh laid out than I'm

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just rambling on about now. Anyway, you

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could go to muskokalakespubliclibrary.ca

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to sign up for that, speak to staff,

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stop by. Uh we'd be happy to sign you

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up. So, uh

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with that uh that's our really quick

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summary on all that's going on, and I'm

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happy to answer any questions. Thank

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you.

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>> Thank you very much. Good presentation.

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» Thank you very much. Good presentation.

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You put yourself on thin ice there with

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a gentleman counselor on.

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>> I said they're not mutually exclusive.

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» I said they're not mutually exclusive.

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>> You you

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» You you

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you redeemed yourself at the end. Thank

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you. Uh does anyone have any questions?

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Hi Counselor Zavitz.

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>> Uh not a question, a comment.

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» Uh not a question, a comment.

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>> Sure.

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» Sure.

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>> Thank you. This is for you. Uh to

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» Thank you. This is for you. Uh to

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Andrew. Listen, you used the word

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encouraging in your uh pitch this

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morning, a non-political pitch.

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I I'm I'm very encouraged by your

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presence. Uh

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the interface we've had over the the

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days, weeks, months.

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I think you're doing a great job. I

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think you're really bringing the

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library, you know, to the people and I'm

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certainly very appreciative of that.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Uh

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Counselor Mazan.

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>> Uh thank you and to you and I'd echo

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» Uh thank you and to you and I'd echo

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those comments as well. Thank you very

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much for coming today and for all the

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amazing work that you and your group and

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your team do at the library. Uh that was

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a a wonderful kind of summary of it all.

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Very specifically, just because there

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seems to be an audience

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>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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>> on the

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» on the

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22nd you mentioned the family fun day.

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Can you let me know the time of that and

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what to be expected on that day or is

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that something

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>> Yeah, sure. So there will be uh from

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» Yeah, sure. So there will be uh from

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10:00 to 3:00 basically our operating

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hours. There'll be face painting. We

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have some big rig truck set up. We have

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many local groups coming out to set up

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tents. We have um a magician, I believe,

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and there you put me on the spot. I

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should know it all, but a lot of family

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activities sort of staggered throughout

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the day.

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Um we'll have button making, t-shirt

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making, uh a lot of just hands-on

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activity. Um so yeah, please everyone's

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welcome and celebration. There uh that

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would be probably the day where we

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might, if anything, have a a smaller

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ceremony speech just commemorating the

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library, but we don't have anything sort

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of formal planned for any big plaque

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unveiling or anything at this moment.

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And sorry, one thing just to step on. I

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would be remiss without uh mentioning

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just the staff at Muskoka Lakes Public

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Library. They are the truly the backbone

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of what makes work. Uh the amount of

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effort they put in, especially during

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the summer months, is

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uh

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something that

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has to be seen to be believed, I think,

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when you're dealing with people coming

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in for printing help and asking

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questions on how to fax something and

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asking for a book recommendation. We

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have two staff members get pulled in

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uh

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literally 20 different directions at one

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time. So, the staff here deserve uh

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huge kudos and uh thanks from everyone.

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>> Perfect. Thank you very much. When I

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» Perfect. Thank you very much. When I

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when we first moved up here permanently,

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which was, I guess, 11 years ago, it

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didn't take me long to realize

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that the building next door is

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mislabeled, I think, as the community

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center. The library is really the

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community center. And I I remember uh

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passing that on to Kathy Duck and now to

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you, as well. Uh just doing a terrific

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job of staying current and relevant and

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necessary and, frankly, important to the

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people who live in the entire township.

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So, thank you for that.

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>> Thank you. Uh one one more thing we

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» Thank you. Uh one one more thing we

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launched, uh we're trying to pilot a

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home delivery service for residents, cuz

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we know we only have two sort of Muskoka

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Lakes li- public library branches in

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Muskoka Lakes is a large township with

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transportation as challenges. So, to

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remove one of those barriers, we've

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tried to pilot a home delivery um

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typically throughout the winter months.

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We uh we're going to try it again this

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through these winter months, so I'd

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encourage anyone to sign up and ask me

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for more info on that as we try and

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figure it away to pilot that, but we

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want to get services to people. Um right

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now, we've also extended our service uh

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in Bala. We're open 4 days in the

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summer, and we were open 3 days through

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the year for the first time until 5:00

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p.m. on Monday.

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Uh we partnered with Wahta off for some

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after-school programming through June,

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and we hope to continue to do that in

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September.

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So, we're trying to become more of a

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presence in the spaces we have a

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presence, uh as as

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uh make our our I've said this before

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and you probably will get tired of me

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hearing it. Make it known to everyone in

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the township that we can't be everything

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to everyone, but we want to be one thing

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to everyone. Uh so, if you use our

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online services, TVDs, come to a

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program, whatever,

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um

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come, use us. We're here. Uh or we were

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If If we can't If you can't come to us,

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we'll try and find a way to get to you.

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So,

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thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Okay. Um we're done with questions,

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right? No more? Thank you. Thank you,

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Heather.

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>> Thank you very much.

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» Thank you very much.

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>> Um All right. Next thing is a verbal

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» Um All right. Next thing is a verbal

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update. There's no uh

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no resolution and um

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Director Bessarer you are delivering it.

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Is that correct?

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Welcome.

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>> Yes, I'd be happy to do so. Uh through

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» Yes, I'd be happy to do so. Uh through

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you, uh thank you for the opportunity to

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provide a further update.

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Um at our last council meeting, there

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was a resolution put on the floor that

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was sent off to the province encouraging

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Elections Ontario to take a look at the

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electors list and um or the voters list

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to make sure that it was comprehensive

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and and full. At that time, I had

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reported that we were approximately Our

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Our numbers were down approximately 30%

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from the previous three elections.

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And uh I was awaiting further update.

552
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Have been working with Elections

553
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,360
Ontario. I can say they have been

554
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,760
working diligently through weekends,

555
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,360
through evenings, really trying to get

556
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,680
all the information that they can get

557
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,960
from all the sources that they have.

558
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,480
Um and I'd also like to do a little bit

559
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,120
of a a shout-out to our um our our

560
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,520
community partners, a lot of the lake

561
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,000
associations who's gotten a lot of the

562
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,400
information out.

563
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,800
Um uh like the the library, all the all

564
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,640
the the partners that we have, as well

565
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,440
as our residents. Every day, we were

566
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,520
seeing the numbers go up. And when we

567
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,960
were seeing those numbers go up, that

568
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,800
was people registering to vote. So, it

569
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,280
was really encouraging to see that we

570
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,680
have a really engaged community who who

571
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,400
cared about it and and were were

572
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,680
actively trying to get on the voters

573
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,400
list.

574
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,720
I'm happy to report um that uh since 2

575
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,760
weeks ago, our non-resident non- uh

576
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,480
resident elector count has increased

577
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,320
47%.

578
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,600
So

579
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,600
we are sitting closer to about 15,500

580
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,760
electors as opposed to where we were at

581
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,280
at about 12.

582
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,000
So we definitely got a lot more people

583
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,520
added on through the information that

584
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,080
Elections Ontario received from their

585
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,560
different their different partners.

586
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,520
And we could see a little bit more of an

587
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,040
increase between now and mid-August when

588
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,840
we get the final

589
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,960
not the final list, we get the the

590
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,760
preliminary list from Elections Ontario

591
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,360
and then as staff will be working

592
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,320
internally to to do what we can with the

593
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,600
information. What you'll see online is

594
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,800
the portal to register and check to see

595
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,240
that you're on the voters list. It will

596
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,960
it will go dormant for probably a period

597
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,160
of about a week while we do some work.

598
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,720
And then you'll see it switch over. So

599
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,880
it will look a little bit different,

600
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,240
but that's because it'll kind of move

601
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,320
over into our um our another

602
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,320
um partner that we have in municipal

603
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,800
voter view and then it will be us who

604
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,400
will be managing the list from that

605
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,280
point forward. So people will still have

606
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,920
the opportunity to register to vote to

607
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,960
make sure that they're on the voters

608
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,160
list. But that will then be coming

609
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,800
through us rather than through Elections

610
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,840
Ontario. So that will begin near the end

611
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,640
of August and then we're going to do

612
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
another big push communication-wise and

613
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,200
making sure that people are are able to

614
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,360
check that they're on the voters list

615
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,520
and get themselves added if they're not.

616
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,120
And they're and they're eligible. And

617
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,080
we'll go from there. But I am encouraged

618
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,000
by the numbers.

619
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,760
It's it I know it's not sitting at where

620
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,400
we were at in the previous elections. I

621
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,120
will say that

622
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,600
the data you know each each election we

623
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,520
had a lot of work to do when we were

624
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,040
with MPAC to to go through the list and

625
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,720
and cleanse the list. And

626
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,960
and we did anticipate that there'd be

627
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480
some hiccups moving to with a new

628
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,200
organization being Elections Ontario,

629
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,400
but uh

630
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560
I I do think it's encouraging that that

631
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,400
it's gone up. So, I hope that's some

632
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,160
good news for everybody and uh and that

633
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,840
everyone will continue to um encourage

634
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,240
electors to check that they're on the

635
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,720
voters list and register to vote.

636
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,470
>> Thank you uh Councillors Zavitz and

637
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:21,480
» Thank you uh Councillors Zavitz and

638
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,880
Councillor Kent. Uh thank you and

639
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,880
through you to to Crystal. Um I wonder

640
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,080
again, I think I asked this question

641
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320
last month, but uh what's the universe?

642
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,880
What What is our potential voting

643
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,280
universe? So, if if you So, we went from

644
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,200
12 to 15, very promising, 15,000. Uh

645
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,680
what is that number?

646
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,120
What are we trying What are we striving

647
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:44,680
for? Is it 38,000 or is it 17,004? Do we

648
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,360
Do we have that information?

649
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,160
I'd like to know where we stand.

650
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,200
Uh

651
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,510
>> Uh thank you through you. I'll be

652
00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:54,520
» Uh thank you through you. I'll be

653
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,520
honest, it's a difficult question to

654
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,800
answer um because I don't really have a

655
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040
set number. So, we can look at what our

656
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,040
population is here, but not everybody

657
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,200
who owns property here is eligible to

658
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,000
vote. So, if they're not a Canadian

659
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280
citizen, if their property is owned in a

660
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280
corporation, they're not eligible to

661
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,360
vote. So, it it is a difficult question

662
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,400
to answer. I would say I'm I'm

663
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,120
encouraged by where we're where at and

664
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,440
uh we everyone has the opportunity to

665
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,720
register to vote. So, if somebody is

666
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,880
eligible to vote, they can speak with

667
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,160
us, we will get them on the list, they

668
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,880
can vote. So, I'm feeling uh much much

669
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,400
more confident moving forward. Um it

670
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,720
does mean that there's a little bit more

671
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,160
work on our end to just make sure that

672
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,680
everybody has that information. Uh we do

673
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,200
have some planned um extra communication

674
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,760
um in that regard and and you'll see

675
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,880
that [clears throat] come out late

676
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,040
summer, early fall. Um but I don't I

677
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,800
don't have a set number, but I I feel

678
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
much more encouraged and and I know that

679
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,360
Elections Ontario have been very

680
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,960
diligent in the people who are on the

681
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,400
list. Um I think some of the concerns in

682
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,920
the past have been that there were

683
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,840
duplicate or potentially electors who um

684
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,840
I don't want to say maybe shouldn't have

685
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,520
been able to vote, but were able to get

686
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,880
onto the list and they did own a

687
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,720
corporation or something like that. So,

688
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,080
I I feel confident in the um

689
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000
in in the change and happy in the in the

690
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,200
increase

691
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,680
in uh in percentage and we'll continue

692
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,120
to get the word out there, but I I don't

693
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,720
have a number for you.

694
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,310
>> Just before you go back to your uh

695
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:22,320
» Just before you go back to your uh

696
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,520
follow-up, I just want to make one

697
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,280
comment. The problem is I think that the

698
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,720
the universe of voters in this township

699
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
is not really knowable because the only

700
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560
people who get

701
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,000
take part in a census are permanent

702
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,440
residents. So, you don't know how many

703
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,240
are residing and how many are eligible

704
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720
in other dwellings around around the

705
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,880
township. And there's also these sort of

706
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,680
opt-in provisions if a kid

707
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,920
rents a room from his parents in a house

708
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,680
or cottage they may be caught in a on a

709
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,840
census, but they may or may not be

710
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760
eligible to vote depending on the

711
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,240
arrangement they have to lease the

712
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,120
space. So, it it's unfortunately not

713
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,520
knowable and really the benchmark is

714
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320
huge drop from last last 4 years ago.

715
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960
30% drop from 4 years ago was the number

716
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440
I think you put out.

717
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:11,840
Thank you.

718
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,670
>> Councillor, is that what you had to

719
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:12,680
» Councillor, is that what you had to

720
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,040
follow up?

721
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,590
>> Yeah, thank you. It's for you to Crystal

722
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:14,600
» Yeah, thank you. It's for you to Crystal

723
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,800
again. Um, so let's just forget about

724
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,360
hypothetical. Just sitting with where we

725
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,720
are, where we know 20 uh the 2018

726
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,120
election, the 2022 election, we know how

727
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,720
many people voted.

728
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,480
Right? How would you compare the 15,000

729
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,480
to that number? And and because I I

730
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,240
think that's relevant in that, you know,

731
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,400
we have sat around this table talking

732
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,720
about the declining interest in our

733
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,760
elections. And uh you know, I so I'm

734
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,560
interested in that number. How many

735
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,560
people voted in '18? How many people

736
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
voted in '22? And how does that compare

737
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,910
to the 15,000? Thank you.

738
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,040
» Director Brusselerus, Brusselerus.

739
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,150
>> Uh thank you. Through you. Again, I'm

740
00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:55,160
» Uh thank you. Through you. Again, I'm

741
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,240
I'm going to say it's a difficult um

742
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920
difficult to answer. I think our voter

743
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,040
turnout, and I'm pulling them off the

744
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,240
top of my head, but we were sitting

745
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,200
around 30%.

746
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,360
Um but that's a hard to compare of

747
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,360
17,000. We had 30%. Now that we're

748
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,040
sitting around 15 five, it could go up

749
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,600
to 16.

750
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,800
And we're still at 30%.

751
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,320
It's really hard to kind of compare

752
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,800
those numbers.

753
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560
What I'll What I do want to say again

754
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,400
though is anybody who is eligible to

755
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,840
vote is able to register and get on the

756
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,440
list and vote. So, that's what I

757
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,120
encourage everyone to to keep sharing,

758
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,840
keep sharing that message. I encourage

759
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,320
all counselors, all candidates,

760
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,400
everybody to make sure that they're

761
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,880
getting that word out. That's what we're

762
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,760
going to continue to do.

763
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,160
But that's one thing that we just want

764
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,560
to make sure

765
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,800
just because if somebody goes on to

766
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,960
check that they're on the list and and

767
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,080
they may not be there, it does not mean

768
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,600
that they cannot vote. They have They

769
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,680
are eligible to vote.

770
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,000
So, it's kind of hard to say.

771
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,640
Yeah, thank you.

772
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,550
>> Also, Ken.

773
00:27:55,550 --> 00:27:55,560
» Also, Ken.

774
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,510
>> Thank you. Um

775
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:57,520
» Thank you. Um

776
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Let me just make sure I understand one

777
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,720
thing.

778
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,560
We were at 12

779
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,160
two weeks ago, 12,000.

780
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,400
It's we're up to 15 five today, which is

781
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,800
a big increase. Am I right on that?

782
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,520
My question was I think similar to his

783
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,880
question.

784
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,640
Where What was that 15 five

785
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,760
at the last election? Was it 17, 18, 19?

786
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,640
I just wanted to know how much we're

787
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,800
still off of last year's Sorry, not last

788
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,120
year's, last election's numbers.

789
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,200
That's my first question, and then I

790
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,160
have one other little one.

791
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,190
>> Director Bessaraba's.

792
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:27,200
» Director Bessaraba's.

793
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,750
>> Uh thank you. So, at the last election

794
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:29,760
» Uh thank you. So, at the last election

795
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,000
um our total uh So, this is for the

796
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,920
total population, so resident and non-

797
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,720
non-resident, we're sitting just over

798
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,680
17,000. And right now we're sitting at

799
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,160
about 15 five.

800
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,190
>> Oh, so the 15 five is comparable to the

801
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:42,200
» Oh, so the 15 five is comparable to the

802
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,000
17?

803
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,430
>> Yes.

804
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:43,440
» Yes.

805
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,710
>> Okay. I thought that was just the

806
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:44,720
» Okay. I thought that was just the

807
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,960
non-resident electors.

808
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,550
>> No. that's it.

809
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:46,560
» No. that's it.

810
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,230
>> so we're we're still 20 2,000 peop-

811
00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:49,240
» so we're we're still 20 2,000 peop-

812
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,440
2,000 voters off,

813
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,760
but we've made a lot of progress. It's

814
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,720
not like 50% off. We're We're making

815
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560
progress. I was comforted. I just went

816
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,640
online and I mean, I don't know if you

817
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
can give us any insight on

818
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,760
who they dropped off, what was the

819
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360
mistake. I went on and checked. I'm all

820
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,080
happy. I'm an islander and I I had

821
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,160
unusual specs. I thought I wasn't going

822
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,320
to be there and I was there. I was

823
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,720
surprised. Any idea who the people are

824
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,360
that they knocked off and

825
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,360
what the glitch was? Just cuz that gives

826
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,510
us an idea of who we need to contact.

827
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,960
» I have one

828
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,120
It's not just seasonal residents that

829
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,920
got knocked off the list. I I've run

830
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,040
into a half a dozen

831
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,120
like frankly lifetime residents, year

832
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,920
round, and they're not on the list for

833
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,440
some reason. So, it's

834
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,200
Everybody needs to check.

835
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,110
>> They got three

836
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:39,120
» They got three

837
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,590
>> So, Director Besserer, yes.

838
00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:40,600
» So, Director Besserer, yes.

839
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,710
>> Yes, three to uh just to um reiterate

840
00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:43,720
» Yes, three to uh just to um reiterate

841
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,400
what the the mayor has said.

842
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Percentage-wise, the amount that we've

843
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,400
dropped from resident electors and the

844
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,200
amount that we've dropped from

845
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040
non-resident electors is is comparable,

846
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,840
actually about the same. So, it isn't

847
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,160
all just um

848
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,720
all just seasonal and or non-resident um

849
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
electors. It's both. And as for the

850
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,200
rationale behind it,

851
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,240
there's a variety of things. So, whether

852
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,960
it's just where where still not our

853
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,400
elections Ontario still hasn't been able

854
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
to match the person to the property

855
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,320
within the information that they

856
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,640
received. The other thing is they're

857
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,760
receiving information from dozen a dozen

858
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,240
different um organizations, where MPAC

859
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,240
was working kind of within their own

860
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000
their own information. So, while that's

861
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,080
great that they're getting all this

862
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,800
information, the problem within it lies

863
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,520
that they may have information that is

864
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,680
contradictory within it. So, that that

865
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840
does uh attribute to it as well. So,

866
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,360
everybody It's not just non-resident

867
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,840
electors. Everybody needs to make sure

868
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,360
that they're checking the list. Um and

869
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,440
uh but it but it does

870
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:43,470
>> uh

871
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:43,480
» uh

872
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,550
>> 15 cents

873
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:44,560
» 15 cents

874
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,070
>> I I will note that I I anticipated when

875
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:47,080
» I I will note that I I anticipated when

876
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,320
we moved to elections Ontario that our

877
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,000
numbers would drop just because of the

878
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,960
diligency that they had in being able to

879
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,480
be on on the on the list. So I was

880
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,880
expecting a drop anyways.

881
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,720
Um, so I think I think we're sitting in

882
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,880
a better spot now.

883
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,990
>> Thank you.

884
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:02,000
» Thank you.

885
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,350
>> Uh, Council Roberts.

886
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Thank you, Chair. Through you to um

887
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Crystal.

888
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,080
Sorry.

889
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,560
Serras Best.

890
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Um,

891
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,320
I'm have

892
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,560
high [snorts] confidence in our staff.

893
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,720
They've demonstrated that they can they

894
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160
can rise to the the occasion. And I'm

895
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,880
sure that they'll do everything they can

896
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
do to make sure that

897
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320
that uh voters list list is up-to-date

898
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,800
as possible with at the at the final

899
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,920
moment.

900
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
I'm just suggesting that perhaps, you

901
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,960
know, if I'm a voter and I'm going to

902
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,200
vote and I

903
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680
and I can't vote the first number I'm

904
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,120
going to call is the township.

905
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,840
Could we possibly change the greeting

906
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,320
in and around the election to say if

907
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,920
you're voting for if you're if you're

908
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200
calling for a a vote-related matter,

909
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,880
please press one or something

910
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,800
or or zero.

911
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,400
So that way they they don't have to go

912
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,120
through everything else. They can just

913
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520
I'm panicking. I need a quick path to

914
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,120
someone who can help me.

915
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Thank you.

916
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,470
>> Uh, Director Serras

917
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:10,480
» Uh, Director Serras

918
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,070
>> Uh, thank you for that. Already in the

919
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:12,080
» Uh, thank you for that. Already in the

920
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,160
plan, so thank you. There's certainly

921
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800
within the Municipal Elections Act a lot

922
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,520
of responsibility placed on the clerk

923
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,080
and I don't take that lightly and we are

924
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,840
looking at every possible way to make

925
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,480
sure that getting on the list and voting

926
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,520
for the elector is as seamless and easy

927
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,640
as possible. So that is that is the

928
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,840
goal.

929
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,270
>> Thank you.

930
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:31,280
» Thank you.

931
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Anybody else? No?

932
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,920
All right. Well, thank you very much for

933
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,127
the update. Keep at it. Thank you.

934
00:32:39,127 --> 00:32:42,110
>> [clears throat]

935
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080
» All right, moving on to items 8C. Uh

936
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,960
report of the manager of parks,

937
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440
recreation, and facilities re Hanna Park

938
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760
playground.

939
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,200
Mr. Moore.

940
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,147
Don't look back.

941
00:32:56,157 --> 00:33:02,990
» [laughter]

942
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,320
» Thank you, Your Worship, and good

943
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,120
morning, council.

944
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Um so, today we we obviously have an

945
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880
update report on our Hanna Park

946
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,320
playground design.

947
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,640
Staff have taken the opportunity to uh

948
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,440
put today's report into a presentation

949
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,800
format um because when we're dealing

950
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,560
with fun things like playgrounds, it's

951
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,320
always uh it's always better to see

952
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,560
pictures.

953
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Um so, as we know, um in the 2026

954
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,280
capital budget, um funds were included

955
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,320
for the replacement of the Hanna Park

956
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,760
playground. As part of our asset

957
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,480
management plan,

958
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,960
um this asset has reached the end of its

959
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720
useful life, which is typically around

960
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400
20 years. It's sitting at about 25

961
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,200
years. Um the project itself has

962
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600
actually been deferred um for multiple

963
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,240
capital budgets

964
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,040
um as staff worked to complete the

965
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,120
parks and rec master plan and the Hanna

966
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Park development plans last summer.

967
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,520
Um

968
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,480
so, as we go through, um I'm not it it's

969
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,880
definitely, you know, nobody wanted um

970
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,760
to to have to get to this point with the

971
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600
playground. It's certainly special and

972
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,080
uh and we'll certainly

973
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,879
um and walk through kind of the

974
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:16,560
background information and everything

975
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
with the presentation today.

976
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,919
Um so, Liz, if you could flip to the

977
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,399
next page or next slide.

978
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:23,639
So, the Hanna Park playground,

979
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,520
everyone's familiar um with the

980
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,800
playground. Um it was built about 25

981
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,879
years ago in the early 2000s, and it was

982
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:34,879
a community led project. Um so, the

983
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:37,320
community came together, fundraised all

984
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,720
the funds for it, and were the ones to

985
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,760
build it, put it together, um

986
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,600
everything. So, it certainly holds a

987
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,080
special place in the hearts of the

988
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,919
community, uh myself included. I came to

989
00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:51,399
this playground as a child. I've brought

990
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:53,679
my kids to this playground, and it it

991
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,720
it's spectacular.

992
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:57,800
And uh it it holds a really special

993
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,000
place. So, when we were moving forward

994
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,240
with this project, um we certainly

995
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:03,840
wanted to

996
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,240
um try to preserve some of that uh that

997
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,480
character, that natural feel, um making

998
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,520
a safe and accessible space that meets

999
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,160
today's standards,

1000
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520
um and try to honor that community led

1001
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,000
legacy.

1002
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,280
Okay, next slide, Liz.

1003
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Okay, so why now? So, obviously, I I

1004
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,440
touched a little bit on our asset

1005
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,280
management plan. Um as we know with all

1006
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,200
amenities across the township, docks,

1007
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,960
etc., um they all have an end of useful

1008
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,360
life date. Um with playgrounds,

1009
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
particularly wooden ones, um that is

1010
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,760
around the 20-year mark. Wooden is

1011
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,080
awfully often suggested 15 to 20 years.

1012
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,120
Um as such, it's sitting currently at

1013
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,280
about 25 years. Um over the past 10

1014
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,520
years, we we've certainly done repairs

1015
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,160
to it to help prolong that life, um but

1016
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,000
as we know, it's it's seen better days.

1017
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Um we're starting to see a lot of

1018
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,160
internal rot, um entrapment areas,

1019
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,800
um and just the solid like just the

1020
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,280
structure itself being solid,

1021
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,240
um and meeting today's safety standards.

1022
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,110
Next slide, Liz.

1023
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,600
So, why don't we just repair the current

1024
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,560
structure structure? Probably the the

1025
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,440
number one question we've received. Um

1026
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,240
and we've we've gone through all the

1027
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,880
different options and alternatives um

1028
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,080
that we can uh done all that background

1029
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,920
and due diligence work.

1030
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Simply put, we can't repair the current

1031
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,080
structure

1032
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,000
because it doesn't meet today's safety

1033
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,080
codes and Canadian regulation for

1034
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,680
playgrounds.

1035
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040
So even if we were to repair it, it

1036
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,760
still wouldn't pass an inspection and

1037
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,080
that liability would be on us.

1038
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,840
Additionally,

1039
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,200
as we've spoken with playground

1040
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,950
companies,

1041
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,680
there's just they don't feel there's a

1042
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,600
stopping point to the playground. If you

1043
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,920
were to begin those repairs, you take

1044
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,720
off one board, have to take off the next

1045
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,800
and it it would just be a compounding

1046
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,880
never-ending process.

1047
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,040
They also wouldn't step in to take the

1048
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,560
liability of a structure that was

1049
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,280
completed by somebody else.

1050
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Next slide, Liz.

1051
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,600
Okay. So the next biggest question, why

1052
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960
don't we just rebuild it like for like

1053
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,840
then?

1054
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,160
And and the simple answer is here again,

1055
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,160
there is opportunities

1056
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,400
to build custom playgrounds.

1057
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,600
I would say it's not as common anymore

1058
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,160
as it was

1059
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,120
back in the '80s, '90s, and early 2000s.

1060
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,640
And that's simply just due to cost.

1061
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,480
And especially since COVID, we've seen

1062
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,600
the rise in playground skyrocket. We saw

1063
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,680
that first hand with Jasper Park,

1064
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,520
Windermere playground, the costs have

1065
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,990
gone up tremendously.

1066
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,760
So if we were to do a custom playground

1067
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
such as this,

1068
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,880
there would have to be changes to it

1069
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,640
regardless. And that's to meet those

1070
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,840
safety requirements, those

1071
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,040
specifications. So it would never be

1072
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040
like for like. And the

1073
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,480
the additional point there is just the

1074
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,320
cost to do it.

1075
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,880
As you can see in some of the options

1076
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,720
presented today,

1077
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,440
you're looking at those types of costs

1078
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,840
just in supply of materials alone. On

1079
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,320
top of that, you're looking at another

1080
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,080
50 to 60% increase on all the

1081
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,600
all the items you don't really see

1082
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,560
visible to to getting a playground. The

1083
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,360
shipping, the labor, the landscaping,

1084
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,680
um the wood fiber,

1085
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120
base ground base for it,

1086
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,320
engineering, architects, production,

1087
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,720
etc. It would also be about a 2-year

1088
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:41,120
process start to finish.

1089
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,640
We have talked with Earthscape.

1090
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,520
Earthscape is who we have awarded the

1091
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,880
project to, one of the last remaining

1092
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,110
companies that do do wood playgrounds.

1093
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,280
And they do custom playgrounds as well,

1094
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,320
but

1095
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,800
as they had mentioned the the most

1096
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,040
recent comparable that they have, um a

1097
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,280
playground they did in Seattle,

1098
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,800
Washington, came in in about 1.5

1099
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,920
million.

1100
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,400
They also stress the play value in these

1101
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,800
structures. And the play value that

1102
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,320
they've provided through a few of the

1103
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640
options we see here today,

1104
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000
um meet or exceed if we get to the later

1105
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,560
options of the play value that we see

1106
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,680
within here. So, um for best kind of

1107
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,760
bang for your buck, Earthscape suggests,

1108
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,920
you know, you could you could do a

1109
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,120
custom,

1110
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,440
um but you're still not going to see

1111
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,120
that same play value that you could get

1112
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,320
out of some of the the templates that

1113
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,640
they have prepared.

1114
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,760
Next slide, Liz.

1115
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,200
So, what we've done and what's got us to

1116
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
this point so far. Um so, it started

1117
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,320
with uh the Hannah Park development

1118
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,800
plans. Well, I actually started with the

1119
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Parks and Rec Master Plan, which has led

1120
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,800
to the development plans of some of our

1121
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640
marquee parks, um as the amenities in

1122
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,920
them, um

1123
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,720
not Hannah Park alone, but Jasper Park,

1124
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,000
the Sports Park, um all those amenities

1125
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,120
are coming up on that 2025 year range.

1126
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,480
So, we need to start to plan for the

1127
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,800
long term.

1128
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Um with that, uh we conducted community

1129
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,360
engagement last year um about Hannah

1130
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Park, came up with a development plan.

1131
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,240
We went through that process um with

1132
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,360
council, approved those plans in the

1133
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,880
fall. Um overall, not a lot of change to

1134
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,680
Hannah Park. Um people love the park the

1135
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,520
way it is now

1136
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,400
um and would like to see um it just, you

1137
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
know, refurbished and and fixed up and

1138
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,880
and brought to new life.

1139
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,440
Um, some of the new items that we saw

1140
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,720
within

1141
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,160
uh within those plans and and they're

1142
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,120
not really new, but some additional

1143
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,400
parking for boating, etc. We did

1144
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,240
actually have a dock there at one point

1145
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,240
for for boating we lost during the

1146
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,400
flood. Um, so bringing back amenities

1147
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,800
such as that.

1148
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,360
Um, through that process we engaged with

1149
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,680
the community

1150
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,800
um talked about the playground through

1151
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,160
that process. Obviously a desire um and

1152
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,240
a love for the for the playground down

1153
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,160
there. And the number one thing we heard

1154
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,760
about it was

1155
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,760
um the wood product. People loved the

1156
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,640
wood. They loved the uniqueness of it

1157
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,840
that it can't be found everywhere and it

1158
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,880
just ties in naturally to Muskoka. And

1159
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,440
uh that was a real selling feature for

1160
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,040
them and and something they wanted um us

1161
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,120
to maintain moving forward.

1162
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,760
So through that we went through our

1163
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,080
normal RFP process

1164
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,800
um after the passing of the of the

1165
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,120
budget.

1166
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Um, through that process we uh provide a

1167
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040
scope of work um and receive proposals

1168
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,560
from playground companies.

1169
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Um, through this process we took it one

1170
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,840
step further. I uh staff made sure that

1171
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,160
um these companies came up, met on site

1172
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,200
and saw this playground first hand. Um,

1173
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,960
because uh because of how special it is.

1174
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,240
Um through that process we identified

1175
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,440
items

1176
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,840
um such as the linkage play through it,

1177
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
um the wood, etc. And uh as I mentioned

1178
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,640
earlier

1179
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,120
um that uh that play that RFP process

1180
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
was awarded to Earthscape

1181
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640
um who recently completed

1182
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,360
um our Windermere playground as well,

1183
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,360
another wood playground.

1184
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,240
Um

1185
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,680
yeah, I think that about covers that up,

1186
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,840
Liz, if we want to move to the next

1187
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,710
slide.

1188
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,040
So the proposed playground design that

1189
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,320
was within the budget um that we had in

1190
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,920
the capital plan. Um we uh we see a

1191
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,960
natural wood structure,

1192
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,760
um lots of climbing, balancing, and

1193
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,760
imaginative play. Um and we also looked

1194
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,720
at how we could retain some of that

1195
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,440
community-led legacy, right? Um we see

1196
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,560
the names on the picket fence, very

1197
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,080
important. Um we'd like to retain um

1198
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,720
retain those names. Um we have some

1199
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,400
other ideas as well that we can

1200
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,360
incorporate within the park that I think

1201
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,520
would be pretty special. Um so, those

1202
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,280
were some of the the areas we wanted to

1203
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,360
focus on.

1204
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,280
Next, Liz.

1205
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,720
As for the uh play the proposed design

1206
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,840
itself, um these images it's it's really

1207
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,240
always hard to do it justice. Um

1208
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,560
they are they are quick uh design

1209
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,840
mock-ups.

1210
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Um they don't include all the natural

1211
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,880
landscaping, etc. that we can bring to

1212
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,800
life with with a redevelopment of the

1213
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000
park. Um for those that were able to

1214
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
join our Windermere playground grand

1215
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,120
opening, you can really see how we we

1216
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,080
tie in the natural elements of the area,

1217
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,160
the granite rock, etc. Um to really

1218
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,120
bring that Muskoka feel.

1219
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,240
Um

1220
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,200
as for the playground itself, um the

1221
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,640
main feature is what to Earthscape calls

1222
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960
a log tangle. And that's meant uh to be

1223
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,720
their version of a linked play

1224
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,680
playground. So, as we're maybe familiar

1225
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,720
with the current castle playground,

1226
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,320
the special feature in it is how it's

1227
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,960
all linked and connected together. Um

1228
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,720
really cool for kids to play games on,

1229
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,640
etc. Um and so, that is kind of the new

1230
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960
updated version of that. The nice uh

1231
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,080
amenities with it is it's got nice

1232
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,080
sightlines, ability to see through the

1233
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,520
playground um compared to what's there

1234
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,840
now or sometimes it can be challenging

1235
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,640
that way. Um

1236
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,040
but um, so that that's where Earthscape

1237
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,640
kind of tends to make some of those

1238
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,880
tweaks in playgrounds nowadays.

1239
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,280
Uh, Liz, if you want to flip through

1240
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,400
some of these. Um, so just again, some

1241
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,600
of the highlights that we tried to

1242
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,600
replicate, obviously, uh, swings. Um,

1243
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,320
we've got the sand digging area down

1244
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,000
there. Currently, we'd look to replicate

1245
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,720
um, the main linkage structure, the log

1246
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,120
tangle. Um, it's got the bridges, it's

1247
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,160
got the climbing ropes,

1248
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,320
um, different amenities in it. Um,

1249
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,400
perfect, Liz. Thank you. Um,

1250
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,160
as we move into kind of the tot land

1251
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,320
area, those familiar, we have the tot

1252
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,200
land down there now.

1253
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,920
Um, these are kind of geared towards

1254
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,880
more the ages 18 months to 5 years old.

1255
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Um, an area for them to play. Um, for

1256
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,720
those familiar with the park down there,

1257
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,640
there's a nice sign currently welcoming

1258
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,880
to tot land. We could certainly work to

1259
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,600
incorporate those signs into something

1260
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,160
here as well.

1261
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Um, but uh, just a different versions of

1262
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,120
play, some sensory ground items,

1263
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,320
um, and and just some better visuals for

1264
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,240
people to understand uh, some of these

1265
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,470
products.

1266
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,440
So, with our uh, with our um,

1267
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,640
playground, um, like Jasper and like

1268
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Windermere, we go out with the proposed

1269
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,760
design to get community feedback. Um,

1270
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Hannah Park, we got the best uh, best

1271
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,416
survey response yet. Um,

1272
00:45:29,416 --> 00:45:30,030
>> [laughter]

1273
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:30,040
» [laughter]

1274
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,950
>> 100 plus surveys,

1275
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:31,960
» 100 plus surveys,

1276
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,560
um, and uh, and a lot of great stories

1277
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,760
within those surveys, too.

1278
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Um, to read through them. Um, it it it

1279
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,120
certainly replicates a lot of my

1280
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,840
childhood as well, too, visiting this

1281
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,440
park, um, playing there as a kid. Um,

1282
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,040
I'd say there's three main takeaways um,

1283
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,680
that we heard through those surveys. Um,

1284
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,160
obviously, a large group that is, you

1285
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,880
know, disappointed to lose what the

1286
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,280
community built down there. The legacy

1287
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,760
of that castle themed playground is it

1288
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
it is that it is hard.

1289
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,240
Um and nobody wants that. And but it

1290
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:09,160
has, you know, come that time. Um so, as

1291
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,360
as I mentioned earlier in the report, we

1292
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,360
we kind of identify why that repair

1293
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,760
option isn't viable. Um the next part uh

1294
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
that we heard was a big group of um just

1295
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,240
a lot of underwhelming with the proposed

1296
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,720
design within our within our budget. Um

1297
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,520
a lot of people thinking it's a bit of a

1298
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
downgrade to what's there now, um

1299
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,440
wanting more. And there are some good

1300
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,240
suggestions in there.

1301
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:31,920
Um

1302
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,640
a few people, you know, even going as

1303
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,920
far as looking on Earth Scapes' website,

1304
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,440
you can view everything they have there.

1305
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
They've got all their products online.

1306
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,720
Um people went as far as suggesting

1307
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,160
some. It was It was really cool.

1308
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Um and then we obviously had a smaller

1309
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,640
group um that again provided some some

1310
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,920
good constructive feedback. Um you know,

1311
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,520
ability for more swings. Um currently

1312
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,240
the swings down there can get very busy.

1313
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,440
So, those are items that we can

1314
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,400
currently take and tweak. Um really

1315
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,360
today what we're going to be deciding on

1316
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,600
is the budget. And it's the budget that

1317
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,000
is going to move us forward. And from

1318
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,960
there, staff can make those small tweaks

1319
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,920
based on the feedback we heard. We

1320
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
consistently hear about shade, etc. that

1321
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,080
way. So, staff can work to those to

1322
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,400
address those.

1323
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,270
Uh next slide, Liz.

1324
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Okay. So, based on the feedback, um

1325
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
staff, we uh we wanted to look at uh

1326
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,000
some additional options for

1327
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,960
consideration. Um

1328
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,680
so, what we've done is we've worked with

1329
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,800
Earth Scape on a few different levels or

1330
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,200
tiers we can move up. As we move into

1331
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,480
option two, um we're sitting at around

1332
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,800
the $400,000 mark. Um for those uh not

1333
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800
familiar, our current budget is around

1334
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,800
the $260,000 mark. Um so, that was what

1335
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,280
we were working with going into it.

1336
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Um

1337
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,280
as we get into option two, you see a

1338
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,040
little bit larger of a play structure.

1339
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Um we see an expanded long log tangle

1340
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,080
platform. Um for those familiar with the

1341
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Windermere playground, this structure is

1342
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,600
about four times the size of it. Um so

1343
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,240
what we put in Windermere, this is about

1344
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,000
four times the size of it. Um here we

1345
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,040
see an upgraded Um sorry, an upgraded um

1346
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,880
junior tower. Um so that tower itself is

1347
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,280
an upgraded uh feature for kind of that

1348
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,760
tot area. And we've also worked we we

1349
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,240
heard a lot about the linkage of the

1350
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,360
current playground, a way to link link

1351
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,720
everything together so you can get from

1352
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,600
the junior tower across the logs to the

1353
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,080
main structure. Um that junior tower

1354
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,040
itself has lots of different amenities

1355
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,760
within it including a rock climbing

1356
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,040
wall. Um it's got imaginary play with a

1357
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,840
chalkboard, different access points. Um

1358
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,200
hammock to to crawl across. Um we also

1359
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,360
heard about the monkey bars down at the

1360
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
current playground. Um and the play uh

1361
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,600
the original design not including that

1362
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,680
so we've we've added in some of those

1363
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,840
monkey bar traverse rings they call them

1364
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
now. Um features that that people can

1365
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,480
climb across. And as well, um the log

1366
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,280
tangle itself having those bridges,

1367
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,480
those ropes, etc. to connect on. But

1368
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,080
some of these images they they help do

1369
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,960
it a little bit more justice. When you

1370
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,400
just see that, it's very hard to see all

1371
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,560
the different amenities that come on

1372
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,320
these uh on these structures. Um

1373
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
and what Earthscapes, you know, their

1374
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
passion and what they call it is that

1375
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,360
unprescribed play. So um

1376
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,360
what they've highlighted through all

1377
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,080
their designs and all their playgrounds

1378
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,440
is a is the ability for the children to

1379
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160
decide how they want to play on the

1380
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,440
structure. Um whereas what they've

1381
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,120
described with the current structure is

1382
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,280
it's very laid out. Um the follow a

1383
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,560
certain dedicated path to the slide, to

1384
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,320
the bridge, etc. Where these types of

1385
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,600
playgrounds allow the the children the

1386
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,480
opportunity to determine how they're

1387
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,480
going to get from A to B,

1388
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,160
um, whether it's climbing on the net

1389
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,840
rope, walking across a large rope or a

1390
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,760
log, etc. And you can start to see some

1391
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,960
of that through some of these images.

1392
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,240
Of course, through the wood products,

1393
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:16,880
um,

1394
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,160
they want to tie in the feature of

1395
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,000
similar to a kid going and playing in

1396
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,520
the forest. Um, it's it's bringing back

1397
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,240
that natural piece element,

1398
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,440
um, similar to just grabbing sticks in

1399
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,800
the forest and and making a fort.

1400
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,640
Um, they want that same sense of

1401
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,240
imagination with children in the

1402
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:35,760
playgrounds.

1403
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Um, so Liz, as we move forward,

1404
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Okay, so as we move forward, we get to,

1405
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,760
uh, option three. And I think this is

1406
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,880
where we really start to see that that

1407
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,480
wow, um, because a big part of the

1408
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,640
current playground structure is the ca-

1409
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,480
is the the castle towers. It's the peaks

1410
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,960
that you see. It's, uh, it's when you

1411
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,120
drive into the the parking lot and and

1412
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,760
you can see it from there. And it it it

1413
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,360
leaves an impact with you. Um, even

1414
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,760
though some of those those towers, etc.,

1415
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,480
have zero play value to the park itself.

1416
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,000
But it does add to the experience. So,

1417
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,200
in option three, we start to see that

1418
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,440
wow. And and that comes in the form of

1419
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,920
what they call a timber tower.

1420
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,600
Um, so these timber tower features, um,

1421
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,000
are are

1422
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,560
are magnificent. Um, they have many

1423
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,440
amenities attached to them. Um, as you

1424
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,720
slip through this list, thank you.

1425
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,920
Um, it's a three three-story tower,

1426
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,360
um, that, uh, allows kids multiple

1427
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,720
different ways to climb up the tower,

1428
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,720
multiple different ways of egress, large

1429
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,120
slides, smaller slides.

1430
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Um, it's got the the fireman pole that

1431
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,720
we see currently down at Hannah Park.

1432
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,360
Um, so again, we

1433
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,880
wooden bridge, net bridges,

1434
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,560
um, banister rails, etc. So,

1435
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,880
opportunity for option three as well. It

1436
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,720
come This starts to come in around that

1437
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,240
$550,000

1438
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,440
range. Um, once again, that's

1439
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,720
everything. That's playground, that's

1440
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,760
installation, that's ground cover,

1441
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,640
landscaping, etc. When we talk about

1442
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,240
these numbers, we're talking about all

1443
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,240
in.

1444
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,120
Um,

1445
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,440
Okay, Liz, as we move along, you see

1446
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,000
some of those features.

1447
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,720
So, the biggest thing is, obviously, we

1448
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,880
have a budget right now, um, that we've

1449
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,520
included in the capital budget. And if

1450
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
we want to proceed with some of these

1451
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,640
additional options, um, we need to

1452
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,040
consider ways to fund them. Um,

1453
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,800
what staff have undertaken is grants.

1454
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,400
Um, there's currently two grants

1455
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,120
available that we have applied to. Um,

1456
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,360
one with the province through the

1457
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,680
Northern Ontario Heritage Fund, and one

1458
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,160
through the feds through FedNor. Um, in

1459
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,680
both of those, we're on to phase two

1460
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,800
of the application. Um,

1461
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,440
so it's moving it's moving good.

1462
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Uh, unfortunately, we won't know the

1463
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,040
result of them until the fall. Um, so it

1464
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,160
does impact the timeline associated with

1465
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,880
our project. In both instances, if we

1466
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,400
are successful with the funding, um, we

1467
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,600
can get reimbursed for funds that we've

1468
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,600
already spent on the project, backdated

1469
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,080
to April. Um, so that's certainly an

1470
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,120
opportunity. Within those grant

1471
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,200
applications, we have incorporated some

1472
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,600
additional items that were identified in

1473
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,080
the Hannah Park development plans. When

1474
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,560
we talk about, um, the boat ramp and

1475
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,720
pier,

1476
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,880
um, the pavilion shelter by the beach,

1477
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,560
and the boat docking as well. So, those

1478
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,960
would be included and tied into those as

1479
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,720
well. Um, so we've been in discussions

1480
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:39,360
with both of those groups about kind of

1481
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
the three partners coming together and

1482
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,440
really having a a rebirth to to Hanna

1483
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Park and the economic impact that can

1484
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,520
have on Port Carling.

1485
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,760
Um

1486
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,040
Of course, we can look at um community

1487
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,720
fundraising.

1488
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:54,640
Um

1489
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,520
There's also go phased construction. Um

1490
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,240
Playgrounds that you see here or escape,

1491
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,160
we've designed them in a way that we can

1492
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,960
add amenities as we want. Um so there's

1493
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,480
no limit um on these playgrounds. We can

1494
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,080
start to uh to add to them should we get

1495
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,400
additional funds at a certain time. Um

1496
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,880
that is the nice thing with Hanna Park

1497
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,840
cuz it is very big, lots of space there

1498
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,160
to utilize.

1499
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,040
Um and of course, we have our current

1500
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,760
capital budget. So there are the

1501
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,440
opportunities to defer some current

1502
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,160
capital projects that staff have

1503
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,880
highlighted. Um in particular, we have

1504
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,080
the diesel recapture units at the Port

1505
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,600
Carling fire hall and some wharf

1506
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,920
concrete repairs. Um both these projects

1507
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,320
are slated for later this fall. Um so if

1508
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,520
we were to defer them, um we could look

1509
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,000
to rebudget those funds in the 2027

1510
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,800
budgeting complete them

1511
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,560
in the late winter early spring. Um so

1512
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,160
those are options there. As we've

1513
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,280
highlighted in the staff report, um a

1514
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,720
potential consideration if council would

1515
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,640
like to entertain option two is perhaps

1516
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,880
the diesel recapture units.

1517
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,960
Um from there, if we're successful with

1518
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,880
grants etc., we could always phase in

1519
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,400
additional aspects to the playground as

1520
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,480
we go or find out. Um alternatively, if

1521
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,000
if we wish to go option three, there's

1522
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,120
the opportunity to defer the wharf wharf

1523
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,800
concrete repairs

1524
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,920
um and do everything now in the in the

1525
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,720
recommended timeline.

1526
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,280
Um

1527
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,520
As highlighted in the staff report, our

1528
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,520
most recent playground inspection has

1529
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,800
recommended replacement. So

1530
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,720
um we are on a timeline where we can't

1531
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,440
really prolong the it too much more.

1532
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Um and if it's a situation where we are

1533
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,680
deferring installation, it might come to

1534
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,760
a point where we we would have to close

1535
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,640
the playground um, until such time as

1536
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,680
installation can occur. But, currently

1537
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,320
our timeline is for this fall. Um, and

1538
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,880
we can still meet to meet those

1539
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,000
timelines now and uh and look for

1540
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,160
additions in the spring if needed in a

1541
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,840
phased opportunity.

1542
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,200
Um,

1543
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,800
of course, if we went with option three,

1544
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,200
as I mentioned before with the grant

1545
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,320
funding, if we're successful, those

1546
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,520
funds can always just be uh re- recouped

1547
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680
um, from what the township spent.

1548
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Um,

1549
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,360
next slide.

1550
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,960
So, next steps. So, three options um,

1551
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,840
today and certainly available to help

1552
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,840
with any more questions. Um,

1553
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,400
we can approve the proposed um, design

1554
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
within the project budget that was uh

1555
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,520
capitalized. We could move into um,

1556
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000
uh one of options two or three with some

1557
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,680
additional funding.

1558
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,560
Um, or option three if if council would

1559
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,720
like to entertain a different approach,

1560
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,200
we could go that way. Um,

1561
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,760
highly not recommended, I think, by by

1562
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,800
staff just as with that timeline factor

1563
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,440
and uh and the current condition it's

1564
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,640
in.

1565
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,270
Um, next slide, Liz.

1566
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,640
Okay.

1567
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,120
I think the next slide, yeah, the last

1568
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,280
slide anyway. So, I think that wraps up

1569
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,080
kind of a summary of all the background

1570
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,560
information, where we've come from,

1571
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,840
where we are today, what's before us.

1572
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,480
Um, as I mentioned earlier, I think

1573
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,240
today and like I had discussed with our

1574
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,680
scape, today's really about defining the

1575
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,000
project budget. If we want a little bit

1576
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,320
more, um, we have ways to do it and we

1577
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,160
need that direction from council and we

1578
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,920
can proceed with those.

1579
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,000
Um, I know

1580
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,640
I know coming to this playground as a

1581
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,720
child myself, bringing my kids here, it

1582
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280
is very special. Um, and I don't want to

1583
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,920
lose that at all and we will certainly

1584
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,080
work to incorporate that in a

1585
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,760
in a redesigned um or an updated

1586
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,960
playground.

1587
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,520
I also want to us to kind of take the

1588
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,520
opportunity to really look at this as an

1589
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,960
opportunity, an opportunity for

1590
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,360
something new that's going to impact

1591
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,600
children's memories for the next 25

1592
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,680
years. And uh I think there's uh there's

1593
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,240
some options out here presented today

1594
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,120
that can do that. Um and I think it uh

1595
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,480
it could be a really special time um to

1596
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,080
to bring something new and uh

1597
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,080
and uh you know, have those same

1598
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,680
memories for a different generation

1599
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,480
moving forward. So, with that, Chair,

1600
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,360
I'm available for any questions.

1601
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,350
>> Uh thank you very much. Well done. I

1602
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:12,360
» Uh thank you very much. Well done. I

1603
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,640
have one quick question, and that was

1604
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,400
just to clarify the the proposed new

1605
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,960
structures,

1606
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,040
do they have a similar shelf life of 20

1607
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,040
or 25 years?

1608
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,830
>> That's correct.

1609
00:58:21,830 --> 00:58:21,840
» That's correct.

1610
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,150
>> Okay. Thank you.

1611
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:23,160
» Okay. Thank you.

1612
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,760
All right. Uh Councillor Roberts,

1613
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Councillor Kent.

1614
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Councillor Zavitz.

1615
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,350
>> Thank you, Chair, and through you. We

1616
00:58:30,350 --> 00:58:30,360
» Thank you, Chair, and through you. We

1617
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,600
are in question period, so

1618
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,960
um

1619
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,400
I'm I was trying to recall last evening

1620
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,600
how we ever established um $260,000

1621
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,120
for this playground.

1622
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,680
Given the spectacular

1623
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:45,720
um

1624
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,160
playground that we currently have in

1625
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,920
Hanna Park, that we could ever replace

1626
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,040
it for $260,000.

1627
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,240
Could you remind me

1628
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,000
how we arrived at the $260,000?

1629
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:56,790
>> Mr. Moore.

1630
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:56,800
» Mr. Moore.

1631
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,670
>> Yes, through you, Chair. So, the

1632
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:58,680
» Yes, through you, Chair. So, the

1633
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
original playground was built for

1634
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,760
$130,000.

1635
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,640
Um and when we

1636
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
put in the inflation factors, it came to

1637
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,200
around that $260,000

1638
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,240
mark. Um as we know with playgrounds,

1639
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,080
going through Jasper Park, going through

1640
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,160
Windermere, it's really hard to put a a

1641
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,120
budget together for a playground um

1642
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,920
without the design in place. So, it the

1643
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,360
budget for them almost acts as a little

1644
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,600
bit of a placeholder with an

1645
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,040
understanding that there's likely going

1646
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,400
to be changes. Um and we did see that

1647
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,480
with Jaspen Park where we we had some

1648
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,480
additional funds um added to that

1649
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,800
project as well and same with Windermere

1650
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,320
um as well, too. So, you almost kind of

1651
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,960
set that that base, see what you can get

1652
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,000
with it, and then from there

1653
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,040
determine if you want to add to it.

1654
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,870
>> Thank you.

1655
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:47,880
» Thank you.

1656
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,750
>> Um Counselor Kent and then Counselor

1657
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:49,760
» Um Counselor Kent and then Counselor

1658
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,840
Zavitz.

1659
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,070
>> Uh thank you.

1660
00:59:52,070 --> 00:59:52,080
» Uh thank you.

1661
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,200
Um I am also a long-term user of Marie

1662
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,800
of that park. Meaning, I've got

1663
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,200
27-year-old kids.

1664
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:58,550
>> Yeah.

1665
00:59:58,550 --> 00:59:58,560
» Yeah.

1666
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,670
>> We lived on Muskoka at the time and it

1667
01:00:00,670 --> 01:00:00,680
» We lived on Muskoka at the time and it

1668
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,600
was

1669
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,400
I love it.

1670
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,710
>> Okay.

1671
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:02,720
» Okay.

1672
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,990
>> I guess my question is I

1673
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:06,000
» I guess my question is I

1674
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,880
have we It's It's a bigger budget even

1675
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,280
at the 260, okay, which I don't think is

1676
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,560
anywhere near enough, than any other

1677
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,560
park we've done recently. Have we done

1678
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,960
any traffic counts? Cuz my gut would

1679
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,680
tell me that we get way more

1680
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,160
traffic through that park than we do

1681
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,520
through some of the other parks, but

1682
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,480
that may be just a bias.

1683
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,320
And I was wondering if

1684
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,360
we've had done anything to to figure out

1685
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,040
is this a park that is actually used a

1686
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,720
lot more? I know there's a lot of

1687
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,480
community support, but used a lot more

1688
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:34,840
than

1689
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,670
>> Yeah.

1690
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:35,680
» Yeah.

1691
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,080
It's three three

1692
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:37,750
>> Had to say more here.

1693
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:37,760
» Had to say more here.

1694
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,350
>> Yeah, three year chairs. So, it's it's a

1695
01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:39,360
» Yeah, three year chairs. So, it's it's a

1696
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,840
great question. Um

1697
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,640
I we don't have exact numbers. We

1698
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,640
haven't done an exact traffic count. Um

1699
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,560
but I think there's definitely that

1700
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,000
understanding that this is that

1701
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,680
destination park for Muskoka Lakes. Um

1702
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,560
not only does it have the playground,

1703
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,440
but it has many other amenities, the

1704
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,560
volleyball courts, the basketball, the

1705
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,240
walking track, the beach, the boat

1706
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,000
launch. Um so, I would say this is

1707
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,600
definitely our our marquee destination

1708
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,160
park for the township. It's situated

1709
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,920
right in the middle of the township um

1710
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,960
from all avenues, Windermere, etc. Um

1711
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,920
not only that, but uh because of all the

1712
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,240
amenities that it includes, um there's

1713
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,840
people that that travel to this park

1714
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,560
from from afar just because of that.

1715
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,920
Um, so I I'd say I'd have no

1716
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,680
no concern saying this is definitely our

1717
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,600
most popular, yes.

1718
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:34,910
>> I just have one quick follow-up. I just

1719
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:34,920
» I just have one quick follow-up. I just

1720
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,560
have I

1721
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,630
>> I have a very specific

1722
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:38,640
» I have a very specific

1723
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,360
recommendation when we get to the

1724
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,360
comment period. And I think there's some

1725
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,000
good ideas that have been tabled.

1726
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,630
>> Uh, thank you. Thank you. And to you, to

1727
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:47,640
» Uh, thank you. Thank you. And to you, to

1728
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,880
Corey. So, Corey, I have a instead of

1729
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,360
asking you one question at a time, if

1730
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,200
you don't mind, I'll sort of rapid fire

1731
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,000
three or four and then you can cuz I

1732
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,920
know you're you know, you're so immersed

1733
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,920
in this in this whole project. Um, I

1734
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,640
guess a couple things I would have

1735
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,200
coming from Ward A, I I'm wondering, you

1736
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,840
know, are we acknowledging it what she

1737
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,280
just did that um,

1738
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,040
Port Carling the Hanna Park has the

1739
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,400
epicenter of of TML by upping the budget

1740
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,640
to more than

1741
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,040
two times what we've spent on previous

1742
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,040
newly built parks, that being Jasmine

1743
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,160
Park and of course Windermere. Um, we

1744
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,440
have Torrance Sunset Park you know, next

1745
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,560
year on the on the on the plan.

1746
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,440
Um, and I guess that that's a question.

1747
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,360
So, I just a thought on that cuz that's

1748
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,160
sort of new to me. I mean, I get it's a

1749
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,520
bigger park. And so, if that means

1750
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,880
that's a designation, then maybe us

1751
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,320
around the table need to understand

1752
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,520
that. Uh, a second question would be

1753
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,280
boat parking. I do have a concern about

1754
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,880
um,

1755
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,120
I mean, that is a crazy place on a

1756
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,080
Saturday, right? I've been going around

1757
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,800
as people go in their boats to Port

1758
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Carling and and ingress egress. So, you

1759
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,720
know, I do have a concern about us

1760
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,320
establishing new a new dock there for

1761
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,960
our boat parking. I just can't even

1762
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,160
imagine what that looks like. So, if

1763
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,720
there are some river studies on that,

1764
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,800
that'd be that'd be great. And um, I

1765
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,400
guess the other thing that I would have

1766
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,840
is um,

1767
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,040
you know, we we continually talk every

1768
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,280
year we seem to do a park. If we had

1769
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,920
ever established of partner like a you

1770
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,560
know, we go out, we go for an RFP, we

1771
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,800
get different companies come in, and

1772
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,520
there is no synergy to

1773
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,200
um

1774
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,760
our parks. Maybe that's part of the

1775
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,520
beauty of a park is that it's unique,

1776
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,360
it's different. If you want this, go to

1777
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,240
Windermere. If you want that, go to

1778
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Jaspen Park. So, that that's a question

1779
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,280
I would have just in terms of do other

1780
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,120
municipalities look at that and say,

1781
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,840
"Hey, you know, we have a partner in the

1782
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,480
parks."

1783
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,240
I I think that might be worthwhile.

1784
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,600
And the other thing I wonder about is if

1785
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,200
we've had the problems we've had at

1786
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,880
Hanna Park with the water, and we, you

1787
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,240
know, clearly it's under an advisory

1788
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,200
right now and has been for a short

1789
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,200
while, and there's repeatedly that's

1790
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,000
occurred in the summer months, of

1791
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,080
course.

1792
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,720
What about consideration of a of a water

1793
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,560
play structure, some sort of a splash

1794
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,600
pad or something to bring the water to

1795
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,200
the people that can't take advantage. If

1796
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,800
you go there now, there's people in the

1797
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,280
water, which, you know, isn't the best

1798
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,400
look. So, I wonder if you've considered

1799
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,400
that. Thank you.

1800
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,110
>> Mr. Moro?

1801
01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:20,120
» Mr. Moro?

1802
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,150
>> Okay.

1803
01:04:21,150 --> 01:04:21,160
» Okay.

1804
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,640
Through you, Chair, thank you for the

1805
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,960
the questions.

1806
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,640
Um in terms of Hanna Park kind of being

1807
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,320
that that epicenter park of the Muskoka

1808
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,800
Lakes, um I would say yes, and I think

1809
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,600
we established that through the Parks

1810
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,520
and Trails Standard Manual. Um as we

1811
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,360
know, there was recommendations within

1812
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,960
the Parks and Rec Master Plan for items

1813
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,920
such as considering a splash pad,

1814
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,240
um etc. And within that master plan, it

1815
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,240
provided the recommendations on the

1816
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,960
amount of those amenities you should

1817
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,720
have based on your geographic, your

1818
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,480
population, etc.

1819
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,160
As we went through the Parks and Trails

1820
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,800
Standard Manual in the development of

1821
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,760
the Hanna Park um development plans,

1822
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,960
that was the area that landed for some

1823
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,840
of those amenities that we would only

1824
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,520
see in one place in the township. Um and

1825
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,120
the reason being, um obviously the

1826
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,680
amenities already associated with it,

1827
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,840
um but also the location as well being

1828
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,320
in the center of the Township. So to

1829
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,800
your point about the splash pad or

1830
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,240
consideration for a splash pad,

1831
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,120
the development plans did include that.

1832
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,160
If we were to consider that type of

1833
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,760
feature, that would be the park where we

1834
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,480
would look to put that. In saying that,

1835
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,840
we haven't considered that yet.

1836
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,120
As we discussed when we approved those

1837
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,000
plans, the next step would be

1838
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,400
identifying all those new items within

1839
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,600
the capital

1840
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,640
budget process. We just haven't quite

1841
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,960
got there yet. That would be this

1842
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,840
upcoming budget we'd start to see those

1843
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,760
items. Additionally, we know we have a

1844
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,320
lot of infrastructure already across the

1845
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,960
Township to fix up, repair, replace.

1846
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120
So I think it's one of those

1847
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,520
opportunities that when we see a desire

1848
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,840
maybe from the community for new,

1849
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,720
that's the opportunity we we may be look

1850
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,040
for those partnerships etc. Similar to

1851
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Windermere where there wasn't a

1852
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,280
playground there. The parks and trail

1853
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,160
standards main well identified a gap in

1854
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,320
that 141 corridor area. The community

1855
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,920
came forward

1856
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,800
and led the fundraising charge to make

1857
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,400
that that playground happen. So I think

1858
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,280
we'd we'd look to those types of

1859
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,160
opportunities for those newer type

1860
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,280
amenities. Right now, we would just be

1861
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,360
focusing on the amenities we already

1862
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,520
have in place there and bringing those

1863
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,440
up to today's standards.

1864
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,080
In terms of the boat parking,

1865
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,200
I think through the consultation we did

1866
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,840
last summer, that was probably between

1867
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,280
that between keeping a wood playground

1868
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,960
structure, boat parking was the next

1869
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,280
thing on that list. So we'd work with

1870
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,600
with the dock companies and and when we

1871
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,440
talk about boat parking,

1872
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,800
similar to what was there before,

1873
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,960
nothing spectacularly large, but the

1874
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,520
opportunity to at least have a couple

1875
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,360
spaces available.

1876
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,160
So we wouldn't envision anything that

1877
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,640
would provide a safety concern, anything

1878
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,120
that way. So, we'll we'll certainly do

1879
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,760
our due diligence in that respect. Um,

1880
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
in terms of the synergy between parks

1881
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,480
themselves,

1882
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,960
um, I think our parks and trails

1883
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,040
standards manual, it does a good job of

1884
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,240
outlining based on the size of the park

1885
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,520
and the size of the playground, um, the

1886
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,120
different play value that we should

1887
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,560
expect within them. In terms of the

1888
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,840
theme, I think it is unique and I think

1889
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,960
each area and each park is a little bit

1890
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,840
different. Um, and what we put in Sunset

1891
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,800
Park versus Hanna Park may be a bit

1892
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,160
different based on the history of the

1893
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,720
area, etc. So,

1894
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,560
um, I think each one's a little bit

1895
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,760
unique that way. Yeah.

1896
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:47,920
Yeah.

1897
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,630
>> Okay, uh, Councillor Roberts.

1898
01:07:51,630 --> 01:07:51,640
» Okay, uh, Councillor Roberts.

1899
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,710
>> Thank you, Chair, for allowing me a

1900
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:52,720
» Thank you, Chair, for allowing me a

1901
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,160
second question.

1902
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,320
Um, for next for the 2027 budget,

1903
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,160
another thing to consider cuz it's not

1904
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,840
in this uh, playground, is

1905
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,000
accessibility.

1906
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:02,350
>> Mhm.

1907
01:08:02,350 --> 01:08:02,360
» Mhm.

1908
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,950
>> Um, uh,

1909
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:03,960
» Um, uh,

1910
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,760
play value items.

1911
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,310
>> Mhm.

1912
01:08:06,310 --> 01:08:06,320
» Mhm.

1913
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,470
>> Uh, so just consider that for the for

1914
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:08,480
» Uh, so just consider that for the for

1915
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,240
the 2027 budget and come back with uh,

1916
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,480
thoughts on that. Thank you.

1917
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:13,870
>> Yeah.

1918
01:08:13,870 --> 01:08:13,880
» Yeah.

1919
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,520
I will say through you, Chair, so the

1920
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,680
the current playgrounds, um, and the one

1921
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,319
you see before you today, it does meet

1922
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:21,839
all the accessibility standards.

1923
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:23,799
Um, so a large part of that is the

1924
01:08:23,799 --> 01:08:26,680
ground cover itself. And uh, as we know,

1925
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,520
we've been converting to the engineered

1926
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,680
wood fiber as our ground cover cuz those

1927
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,680
meet current accessibility standards,

1928
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,839
um, instead of sand, etc., where you see

1929
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,480
some other places.

1930
01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:39,520
Um, additionally, there and and that's

1931
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,160
the component I talked about in some of

1932
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,520
those images,

1933
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,839
when you see them at a glance, the

1934
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:45,240
high-level

1935
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,000
layout of the playground, it's really

1936
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,560
hard to see all those smaller amenities

1937
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,680
attached to those structures. And

1938
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,720
there's a lot of ground-level play

1939
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,520
sensory items, etc., that uh, that help

1940
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,920
meet some of those accessibility

1941
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,160
standards. Um, that junior tower in

1942
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,440
particular includes a includes a an

1943
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:05,520
accessibility

1944
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,630
component to it as well, so.

1945
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,160
» You got a question. Last one wasn't a

1946
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,279
question, so we'll we'll see if you have

1947
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:15,319
one in you. Go ahead.

1948
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:16,390
>> Yes.

1949
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:16,400
» Yes.

1950
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,240
Well, Mr. Moore, you brought up another

1951
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,952
question. Okay.

1952
01:09:19,952 --> 01:09:20,910
>> [laughter]

1953
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:20,920
» [laughter]

1954
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,030
>> I'm thinking accessibility that's great

1955
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:23,040
» I'm thinking accessibility that's great

1956
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,759
what you mentioned, but I'm I'm thinking

1957
01:09:24,759 --> 01:09:28,680
about children with physical

1958
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,040
needs and impairment needs that that we

1959
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,200
should look forward to. And this does

1960
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,480
this park have that?

1961
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:35,950
>> Yeah, and

1962
01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:35,960
» Yeah, and

1963
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,480
sorry through you, chair, to expand on

1964
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:39,359
that junior tower, for instance, it

1965
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,839
includes those transfer station areas

1966
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,520
where that transfer can occur and then

1967
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,440
they can still

1968
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:46,799
access some of the amenities on the

1969
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:49,200
structure such as the slide, etc. So,

1970
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,880
yes. And same with the you know, there's

1971
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,360
the swings, etc. You can incorporate the

1972
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,280
proper seats and everything that way,

1973
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:05,150
so.

1974
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,200
» Uh thank you and to you and

1975
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,720
just want to start that was a fantastic

1976
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,600
presentation. Really walked us through

1977
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,000
all of it.

1978
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,920
The thinking and the rationale. A couple

1979
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,040
of quick questions.

1980
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,880
You've introduced this concept called

1981
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,880
play value.

1982
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,040
Do you have any sense as to

1983
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,920
like what's is there a metric around

1984
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,800
that? Like can you define play value of

1985
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,080
current versus the different recommended

1986
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,360
options? And and just maybe expand a

1987
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,560
little bit on what that means.

1988
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,430
>> Yeah.

1989
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:34,440
» Yeah.

1990
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:35,840
Um

1991
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,800
play value is is often referenced in

1992
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,000
in the playgrounds themselves. And

1993
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,240
really what that relates to is the

1994
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,720
number of components within the

1995
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,200
playground. So, there isn't

1996
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,240
there isn't so say like a an actual

1997
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,600
value, a percentage maybe that you could

1998
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,560
tie to play play value as you step up.

1999
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,240
Um what it is is you start to see the

2000
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,240
number of amenities with the different

2001
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,840
structures, the number of slides,

2002
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,400
climbing features, the number of access

2003
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,080
points, the number of egress points,

2004
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,520
etc. So, as we work through those

2005
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
different options, you can see that as

2006
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,120
we get into option two with the junior

2007
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,600
tower, the play features start to to

2008
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,280
climb. So, you start to see the walk

2009
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,040
rock climbing wall features on the side

2010
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,960
of the building, the chalkboard, um you

2011
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,520
start to see multiple egress and access

2012
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,040
points. As you move into the larger

2013
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,480
timber towers, um that's when you start

2014
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,760
to see a lot more post and rope. Uh you

2015
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,240
see multiple slides, you see multiple

2016
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,240
ways to climb up the tower through

2017
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,000
bridges, um fire pole to to escape. So,

2018
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,360
you start to see it in the number of

2019
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,640
amenities within the playground itself.

2020
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,870
>> Thank you.

2021
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:44,880
» Thank you.

2022
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,550
>> Uh

2023
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:45,560
» Uh

2024
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,600
follow up to that?

2025
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,590
>> thank you. I have a second question,

2026
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:47,600
» thank you. I have a second question,

2027
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,680
actually.

2028
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,440
So, and um

2029
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,720
the the decision today is around the

2030
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,560
actual playground structure.

2031
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:55,150
>> Mhm.

2032
01:11:55,150 --> 01:11:55,160
» Mhm.

2033
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,550
>> If we looked at it as a Hanna Park

2034
01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:57,560
» If we looked at it as a Hanna Park

2035
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,400
campus or site plan,

2036
01:11:59,400 --> 01:11:59,790
>> Mhm.

2037
01:11:59,790 --> 01:11:59,800
» Mhm.

2038
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,350
>> is this also uh an opportunity? I I know

2039
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:03,360
» is this also uh an opportunity? I I know

2040
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,200
we've talked about the dock, but there's

2041
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,760
other parts to that park. It truly is

2042
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,200
that iconic park. I mean, we want to do

2043
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,040
this right.

2044
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,350
>> Mhm. Um

2045
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:11,360
» Mhm. Um

2046
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,150
>> things like the culture and the heritage

2047
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:13,160
» things like the culture and the heritage

2048
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,680
that we've

2049
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,240
you touched upon in there. Is this the

2050
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,960
time that you're thinking about that or

2051
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,640
is that like a a next year project?

2052
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,190
>> Um it's a it's a really good question,

2053
01:12:23,190 --> 01:12:23,200
» Um it's a it's a really good question,

2054
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,760
but I think

2055
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,160
our plan is to to do it, incorporate it

2056
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,360
now. And some of those pieces might be

2057
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,960
kind of the finishing touches that we

2058
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,320
incorporate later in the spring, but I

2059
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,160
think there's a real opportunity um

2060
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,280
within this playground design um to

2061
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,320
bring kind of that Muskoka feel to it.

2062
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,880
And And again, that's where I reference

2063
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,600
this um you know, this is an opportunity

2064
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,400
for something new. Um and what we saw in

2065
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,920
Windermere was you know, a real liking

2066
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,560
to how we incorporated the natural

2067
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,520
landscape, the rocks, uh Muskoka chairs,

2068
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,240
how we can tie in kind of the history of

2069
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,800
the playground that was done before as

2070
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,280
well as the history of Port Carling.

2071
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,120
I think there's an opportunity here

2072
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,760
through the features of the playground

2073
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,000
for us to to work on how we can

2074
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,400
incorporate those so that not only is

2075
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,320
there an understanding of kind of what

2076
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,760
was here before just in Hanna Park, but

2077
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,360
the Township as a whole and the history

2078
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,080
of Port Carling with the you know, the

2079
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,640
boats etc. that way. I think I think we

2080
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,680
can start to incorporate um you know,

2081
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,320
whether it be through you know,

2082
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,920
information pedestals or or etc. I think

2083
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,560
there's there's tremendous opportunity

2084
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,190
that way, yes.

2085
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,480
» Thank you for that. I'm actually going

2086
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:41,880
to read the resolution so that we can

2087
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,480
open it up and questions and comments.

2088
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:46,160
Before I read it, I'm going to point out

2089
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,400
that it calls for

2090
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,920
the approval of the original proposed

2091
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,080
project at 261.

2092
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,960
It has the flexibility to bump it up

2093
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,040
with a blank in it so we can actually

2094
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,920
make a change. We may have to come back

2095
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,480
and amend this, but I'd rather just get

2096
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,520
it on the table, get everybody started

2097
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,120
on a discussion and then we can figure

2098
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,280
out how to amend this to accommodate

2099
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,760
what we're going to go to.

2100
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,040
So, it's moved by Councillor McIntyre,

2101
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,960
seconded by Councillor Bozzemworth.

2102
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,360
Whereas the 2026 capital budget included

2103
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,880
funds in the amount of $261,300

2104
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,680
for the replacement of the Hanna Park

2105
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,040
playground.

2106
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,560
And whereas the Hanna Park playground

2107
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,160
has reached the end of its useful life.

2108
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,840
And whereas staff have delegated

2109
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,480
authority to award capital projects

2110
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,680
should they be within the budgeted

2111
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,680
amount and whereas staff have awarded

2112
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,240
the project to Earthscape Play Inc.

2113
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:42,760
And whereas staff have conducted a

2114
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,000
community survey regarding the proposed

2115
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000
is uh design. And whereas Council may

2116
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,000
wish to revise the budgeted playground

2117
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,040
design based on the community feedback

2118
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,560
received, now therefore be it resolved

2119
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,520
that Council directs staff to proceed

2120
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,800
with option blank as outlined in staff

2121
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,590
report OPS-2026-022,

2122
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,040
and that staff be delegated the

2123
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,480
authority to make minor modifications to

2124
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,200
the playground design provided the

2125
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,600
changes remain within the approved

2126
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,520
budget but uh project budget and do not

2127
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,880
materially alter the overall design

2128
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,440
intent.

2129
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,080
So, Councillor Nishikawa.

2130
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,270
>> Thank you.

2131
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:21,280
» Thank you.

2132
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,320
Um

2133
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,160
don't where start.

2134
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,760
Except that I was part of the crew, had

2135
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,480
my own crew building our own little um

2136
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,120
you were designated a crew and

2137
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,240
everything else. It was a fantastic

2138
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,000
fantastic time.

2139
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,560
Um along with many other parks that

2140
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:38,840
we've built in this in this

2141
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,600
municipality, which I have been

2142
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,160
fortunate to be part of. I'm I will say

2143
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,920
I'm a little bit um

2144
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,680
I understand people's concerns about the

2145
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,480
sticks in the pictures. Like it just

2146
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,080
looked like that. It didn't have the

2147
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,720
substance that the the other park had.

2148
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,600
But I think it could be very very

2149
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,240
exciting. Um

2150
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,040
I guess my

2151
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,800
concern is about the funding.

2152
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,320
And in the past we Sorry, we have voices

2153
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,800
in the back that I'm not

2154
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:10,790
>> I'm sorry.

2155
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:10,800
» I'm sorry.

2156
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,390
>> I'm hearing other people and I'm not

2157
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:12,400
» I'm hearing other people and I'm not

2158
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,360
focusing on

2159
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:14,870
>> Oh, sorry. Could we keep the

2160
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:14,880
» Oh, sorry. Could we keep the

2161
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,760
conversation down or off actually in the

2162
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,880
back, please?

2163
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,910
>> The So, my my concern is

2164
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:21,920
» The So, my my concern is

2165
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,440
you know, we this this park was funded

2166
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:28,320
earlier and I I will say that um

2167
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,040
it was tremendous

2168
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:30,760
um

2169
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,480
as as well as our sports park as well as

2170
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:36,080
um every park, quite frankly.

2171
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,000
Um

2172
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,320
I do wonder about the type of financing

2173
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,040
that was brought up in the um

2174
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,640
like I understand there's grants

2175
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,800
available and certainly I've seen where

2176
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,360
Huntsville's been successful. So

2177
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,360
hopefully we can go after

2178
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:57,110
our RMP for that. Um

2179
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,920
but I didn't understand where we were

2180
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,240
going to pull some other dollars from.

2181
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:05,760
Um and it actually concerns me because

2182
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,760
aren't those two important projects or

2183
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,520
why were were they ever in the budget in

2184
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,120
the first place? And how how can we just

2185
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,520
shift around that large amount of money?

2186
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,240
And could I have a follow-up, please?

2187
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:18,910
>> Uh you can. Mr. Moore, do you want to

2188
01:17:18,910 --> 01:17:18,920
» Uh you can. Mr. Moore, do you want to

2189
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,440
talk about with the the other two

2190
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,560
capital projects that were proposed to

2191
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:23,440
be

2192
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,400
delayed, deferred?

2193
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,470
>> Yes, through you, Chair. So um

2194
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:27,480
» Yes, through you, Chair. So um

2195
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:29,160
they are still important and they are

2196
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:33,480
still required. Um our thought behind um

2197
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,560
the concrete wharf repairs was our plan

2198
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,600
was to do them later in the fall after

2199
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,240
the season is completed. Um given the

2200
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,200
timeline of the Hannah Park project,

2201
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,000
there could be the opportunity to

2202
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,920
proceed with the Hannah Park project

2203
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,800
first and just push the wharf repairs

2204
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,600
back a few months and complete them in

2205
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,320
the late winter, early spring with a new

2206
01:17:55,320 --> 01:18:00,400
refreshed budget. Um as for the um

2207
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,560
diesel exhaust retractors from the fire

2208
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,880
station,

2209
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,040
um the plan would be we still like to

2210
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,360
proceed with those as well, too.

2211
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,360
Um again, it's just one of those

2212
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,800
projects that we haven't started yet. So

2213
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,000
it's almost on the table for that reason

2214
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,600
um that we again we could incorporate um

2215
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,240
in the 2027 budget, do early in the

2216
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,000
winter because it's indoors, we can do

2217
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,200
that project um whenever we award it. Um

2218
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,000
the other aspect to that project in

2219
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,440
particular was we're currently going

2220
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:33,120
through the fire station design process.

2221
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,680
Um and through that process we're

2222
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,600
certainly going to gain a better

2223
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,040
understanding of what we intend to see

2224
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,520
in each of our fire halls.

2225
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,480
And

2226
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,720
it may be an opportunity to to revisit

2227
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,160
some of those

2228
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,320
amenities we see within them. So that

2229
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,880
was the thought process behind them the

2230
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,400
two projects that you know, we have an

2231
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,240
opportunity to defer. Of course, if we

2232
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,080
are successful with the grant funding,

2233
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,680
those funds would would come back and we

2234
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,760
we'd be right around the exact project

2235
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,440
budget amount if we're successful. So

2236
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,520
that that's the the ultimate goal. I

2237
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,280
think it really comes down a question,

2238
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:09,920
do we want to

2239
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,560
fund a little bit now and then wait for

2240
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,880
the grant to hopefully do a phase two,

2241
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,080
or do we want to fund it now

2242
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,720
and then if we're successful with the

2243
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,280
grant, we just recoup those funds.

2244
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:23,830
>> Thank you. Councillor Ishikawa, with a

2245
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:23,840
» Thank you. Councillor Ishikawa, with a

2246
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,040
follow-up.

2247
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,910
>> Thank you through you to

2248
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:27,920
» Thank you through you to

2249
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,880
I guess our our treasurer. I'm where I'm

2250
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,240
concerned is because our fire master

2251
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,640
plan came up with

2252
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,880
and we've seen this

2253
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,720
I'm going to just say over a number of

2254
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,400
years I've seen this where we were

2255
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,960
supposed to do something and we didn't

2256
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,840
do it and it just kept coming back as we

2257
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,320
should have done it and then there's an

2258
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:50,920
emergency and we

2259
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,680
what I don't want and in fact I'm still

2260
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,160
very very concerned about the upcoming

2261
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,590
budget because

2262
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,320
I'm just going to

2263
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,120
the numbers won't be exact

2264
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,400
but it looked like there was going to be

2265
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,160
another 10% increase. And we've already

2266
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,560
had well, this was proposed, right? Over

2267
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,440
the next number of years. Correct me if

2268
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,240
I'm wrong. Over the next number of years

2269
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,360
for us to be up to date with all of our

2270
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,560
plans and all of those other things cuz

2271
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,200
we've already had three years of large

2272
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,240
increases. And and so that's where I

2273
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,920
don't get the whole thing and then I

2274
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,120
also think about why choosing from those

2275
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,000
two elements whereas

2276
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,160
um

2277
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,000
cash in lieu of parking wasn't that

2278
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,840
supposed to be about parkland and and

2279
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,440
that sort of thing? So, I'd rather hear

2280
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:41,560
from the Treasurer, please. Thank you.

2281
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,630
>> Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Donaldson, Director

2282
01:20:43,630 --> 01:20:43,640
» Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Donaldson, Director

2283
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,120
Donaldson.

2284
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,670
>> Uh thank you, Worship. So,

2285
01:20:47,670 --> 01:20:47,680
» Uh thank you, Worship. So,

2286
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,480
uh is is there a specific question

2287
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:50,200
you're looking at?

2288
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,030
>> Yes.

2289
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:52,040
» Yes.

2290
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,600
Well,

2291
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,360
you First of all, did you not present to

2292
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,360
us some months ago that we would require

2293
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,000
this increase in our budget for how many

2294
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,280
years just to pay for what we're doing

2295
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,200
now?

2296
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,670
>> Through you, Worship. That's correct.

2297
01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:06,680
» Through you, Worship. That's correct.

2298
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,880
So, in April I presented to committee,

2299
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,720
uh General Finance Committee, that we

2300
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,320
would be looking at, excuse me,

2301
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,400
somewhere in the neighborhood of about

2302
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,400
8% per annum for the next 10 years to

2303
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,600
try to keep up with our current asset

2304
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,750
management plan.

2305
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,680
» So, then my the other question in there,

2306
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,960
a bunch of them, I know, but um

2307
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,920
was it in fact the park uh

2308
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,120
We have taken in a lot of money for

2309
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,080
people lacking parking right now. And

2310
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,240
so, I thought that that's what where in

2311
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,080
the past I was aware that that's where

2312
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,120
we drew from, from that fund, not from

2313
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,160
another department, I would say.

2314
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,630
>> So, through you, Worship. So, um we have

2315
01:21:49,630 --> 01:21:49,640
» So, through you, Worship. So, um we have

2316
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,560
a parkland fund that on consents,

2317
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,400
um

2318
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,920
cash is paid in lieu of parkland for

2319
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920
development, and that is the fund we

2320
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,240
typically draw from for park uh

2321
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,470
activities for those types of things.

2322
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:08,880
» I'm sorry. Why are we not going there?

2323
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,510
>> So, through you, Worship. I um that fund

2324
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:11,520
» So, through you, Worship. I um that fund

2325
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,680
is available, but it is currently under

2326
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,880
a lot of pressure as well, because there

2327
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,960
is a huge amount of work in the Parks

2328
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,560
and Rec Master Plan over the next number

2329
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,120
of years, and with the changes in the

2330
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,560
official plan,

2331
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,120
um consents or probably and severances

2332
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,400
are likely to decrease. So, we're going

2333
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,560
to see less money coming into the

2334
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,680
Parkland Reserve over the next few years

2335
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,880
as well. So, we've got two conflicting

2336
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,120
pressures. One with increased

2337
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,440
expenditure on park development and park

2338
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,120
redevelopment and trails and so on,

2339
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,200
and less funds coming in

2340
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,470
through fewer severances being approved.

2341
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:51,710
» Um

2342
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,360
Councillor Zavitz had his hand up first

2343
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,520
and then

2344
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,040
was it you, Alan?

2345
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,760
All right, Councillor Edwards, you win.

2346
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,150
>> Sorry if I maybe missed something. I had

2347
01:23:01,150 --> 01:23:01,160
» Sorry if I maybe missed something. I had

2348
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,760
to leave for a second. Uh

2349
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,560
I'd like to see the the the whole thing

2350
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,960
go through the 500,000 at some point.

2351
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,000
But on the other hand, I would not take

2352
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,720
the diesel exhaust reclaim away. That's

2353
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,720
a safety issue.

2354
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,160
And I would leave that in for sure.

2355
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,280
I'd leave the concrete repairs in

2356
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,200
because on Friday I was in Windermere

2357
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,120
and a

2358
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,720
bus tour come in and they were getting

2359
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,520
on the Peerless and someone fell and

2360
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,480
uh

2361
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,320
close to dislocated their shoulder. They

2362
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,400
had to bring an ambulance and uh check

2363
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,280
them out before they got on the boat.

2364
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,640
Luckily, they were able to go with it.

2365
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,720
But and that repairs like that should be

2366
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,040
uh kept up.

2367
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,600
Uh I'd like to know how much the grant

2368
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,080
we've

2369
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:53,870
actually applied for in grants.

2370
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,480
» Uh yes, three of you. I think

2371
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:58,360
uh so, through the grant if we were to

2372
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,160
work with the partners, um our

2373
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,600
contribution would be 50% and then each

2374
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,720
coming in at 25%.

2375
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,840
I think we've estimated the total

2376
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,840
project request of 800,000

2377
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,720
um and that includes the boat ramp, the

2378
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,640
pier, the playground. Um

2379
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,240
so, our share would be the 400,000.

2380
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,150
>> Okay.

2381
01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:18,160
» Okay.

2382
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,790
Thank you. Um

2383
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,440
I wonder if we could get the community

2384
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,000
like they did in Windermere, too, to

2385
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,040
raise some of the funding for the goal.

2386
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,400
And another question was the large tower

2387
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:32,920
that was there. If we went with that,

2388
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,040
what would that be just the the tower

2389
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,880
itself at this point?

2390
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:38,910
>> Just the tower?

2391
01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:38,920
» Just the tower?

2392
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,550
>> Yeah.

2393
01:24:39,550 --> 01:24:39,560
» Yeah.

2394
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,590
>> So, the

2395
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:40,600
» So, the

2396
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,800
we can get you can get really into the

2397
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,400
into the weeds and the details of these

2398
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,000
designs and options. I'll try to keep it

2399
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,760
as high level as possible, but within

2400
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,360
option two, um there would be the

2401
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,280
ability to do the tower there versus all

2402
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:55,600
the other amenities, but you're

2403
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,080
basically just getting the tower. It's

2404
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,600
uh it's quite substantial.

2405
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,430
>> Like just the cost of it.

2406
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:02,440
» Like just the cost of it.

2407
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:03,510
>> okay, sorry.

2408
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:03,520
» okay, sorry.

2409
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:04,430
>> We're good.

2410
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:04,440
» We're good.

2411
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:05,350
>> will like

2412
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:05,360
» will like

2413
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,400
just a ballpark on that like you say

2414
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,760
like all of that you must

2415
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,014
>> Councillor Edwards, we don't know.

2416
01:25:11,014 --> 01:25:11,024
» Councillor Edwards, we don't know.

2417
01:25:11,024 --> 01:25:11,230
>> [laughter]

2418
01:25:11,230 --> 01:25:11,240
» [laughter]

2419
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:11,830
>> Okay.

2420
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:11,840
» Okay.

2421
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:12,710
>> A couple hundred thousand.

2422
01:25:12,710 --> 01:25:12,720
» A couple hundred thousand.

2423
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:13,950
>> hundred thousand dollars.

2424
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:13,960
» hundred thousand dollars.

2425
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,430
>> that go or rather than some of the small

2426
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:16,440
» that go or rather than some of the small

2427
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:17,520
stuff.

2428
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,080
And then take the the existing play

2429
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,640
ground out of there that everyone loves.

2430
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,320
Get a couple years out of it and then

2431
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,000
start putting the smaller stuff as we

2432
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,440
take down.

2433
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:29,750
>> I I don't know. I'm just saying get rid

2434
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:29,760
» I I don't know. I'm just saying get rid

2435
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:30,360
of it.

2436
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:31,790
>> Uh Councillor Abbott, Councillor Kent.

2437
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:31,800
» Uh Councillor Abbott, Councillor Kent.

2438
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,510
>> Uh thank you. Through you to Corey. Uh

2439
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:33,520
» Uh thank you. Through you to Corey. Uh

2440
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,640
so, Corey, uh sticking to the budgeted

2441
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,960
amount, uh which seems to be a little

2442
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,920
getting a little bit of favor here.

2443
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,120
Um I'm wondering how

2444
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,000
feasible, if you will, you know,

2445
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,680
appendix one is sticking to our budget

2446
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,480
for now, approving that, and then

2447
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,280
perhaps considering something else

2448
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,960
different and more, if you will, at

2449
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,880
budget time 2027 when there's going to

2450
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,840
be different people here, one would

2451
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,960
imagine. Uh my question to you then

2452
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,840
would be how feasible is uh option one?

2453
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,560
What I mean by that is if you everybody

2454
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,200
loves this tower, maybe you know,

2455
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,160
January they decide to add a hundred

2456
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,320
grand to the or two whatever. So, can

2457
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:14,360
you speak to that? Is there a

2458
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,040
feasibility piece to that?

2459
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:16,830
>> Mr. Moore.

2460
01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:16,840
» Mr. Moore.

2461
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,990
>> Yes, they're all they're all feasible

2462
01:26:18,990 --> 01:26:19,000
» Yes, they're all they're all feasible

2463
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,680
and they've all been designed that way.

2464
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,600
Um the hard part is with option one, um

2465
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,440
some of the upgraded amenities you see

2466
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:29,600
in option two then wouldn't become

2467
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,920
available. Um so the thought behind

2468
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,360
option three was it would include

2469
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,640
everything in option two, which we saw

2470
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,280
the upgrade to the monkey bars, the

2471
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,040
junior tower, um etc. that way.

2472
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,080
Um so option two definitely aligns

2473
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,200
better for a phased approach. Um

2474
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,400
the challenge is is if we're going to do

2475
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,120
the phased approach, um

2476
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,400
the timeline for the grant works because

2477
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:56,680
we would find out before the

2478
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,080
installation occurs. But once we do

2479
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,640
start to install some of these pieces,

2480
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,280
we're not moving them afterwards. Um

2481
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,280
so we kind of got to know if you're

2482
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,800
moving forward with a phase two, you

2483
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,520
know, when you start the installation

2484
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,120
process. I would say option two aligns

2485
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,280
better for that phased approach, um

2486
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,320
because it allows that dedicated area

2487
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,640
for the timber tower. Can option one

2488
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,080
include it? Yes, it can. Yeah, it it

2489
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,640
still can be um if that's a desire.

2490
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,230
>> Uh Council Kent.

2491
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:27,240
» Uh Council Kent.

2492
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,750
>> Thank you. Uh

2493
01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:28,760
» Thank you. Uh

2494
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,920
it's great information. If I were to cut

2495
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,080
through it, I would recommend that we

2496
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,440
take the $130,000

2497
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:39,080
from the fire project, leave the wharf

2498
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,920
money in the budget. It's very important

2499
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,280
for next year or whenever it gets done.

2500
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,120
So we go to option two,

2501
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,320
which is the 408.

2502
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:46,750
>> Mhm.

2503
01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:46,760
» Mhm.

2504
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,270
>> We're a little 15 short or whatever on

2505
01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:48,280
» We're a little 15 short or whatever on

2506
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:48,680
that.

2507
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:49,630
>> Yep.

2508
01:27:49,630 --> 01:27:49,640
» Yep.

2509
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:50,950
>> And then we ask the community we

2510
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:50,960
» And then we ask the community we

2511
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,600
continue to pursue the grants.

2512
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,480
And then we ask the community to go out

2513
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:57,280
and try to raise money

2514
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,320
to add the tower, which I think is a

2515
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,760
major improvement,

2516
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,040
but we don't have the resources today.

2517
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,360
And we'll see how we do on that. And

2518
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,840
that's an an easy add-on

2519
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,960
down the road. So I would do a phased

2520
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,600
approach, option two today.

2521
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:14,190
>> Mhm.

2522
01:28:14,190 --> 01:28:14,200
» Mhm.

2523
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,030
>> The change in the budget from 130 over

2524
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:17,040
» The change in the budget from 130 over

2525
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:17,550
>> Mhm.

2526
01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:17,560
» Mhm.

2527
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:21,070
>> and or delay in that item. And then,

2528
01:28:21,070 --> 01:28:21,080
» and or delay in that item. And then,

2529
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,040
um,

2530
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,440
put a request in to have the community

2531
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:24,880
get involved, which they've successfully

2532
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,640
done in Windermere and in some of these

2533
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,360
other parks. I think it's a reasonable

2534
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,800
request and it's a way to get everybody

2535
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,880
vested in the,

2536
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,520
uh, future tower that they're going to

2537
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,400
be building with some of that money. So,

2538
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,800
that would be my recommendation to

2539
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:37,600
council.

2540
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,270
>> Is that a motion you wish to make and

2541
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:39,280
» Is that a motion you wish to make and

2542
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,000
get a second on?

2543
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,830
>> but

2544
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:44,640
» I

2545
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,280
the All right. Um,

2546
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,800
I'm going to interject one thought

2547
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,880
first.

2548
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,880
Or question first. Have we ever talked

2549
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,480
to the community about,

2550
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:55,360
uh, working towards some additional

2551
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,440
fundraising?

2552
01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:59,390
>> Through you, chair, uh,

2553
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:59,400
» Through you, chair, uh,

2554
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,320
we haven't reached out to the community

2555
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,800
with that proposal or option.

2556
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,600
Um, I think

2557
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,000
staff's,

2558
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,160
uh, thought on that was, you know, the

2559
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,480
community's come forward once to build

2560
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,120
what's currently there.

2561
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,720
Um, as part of those partnerships at

2562
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,080
that time,

2563
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,680
and it's no different than Windermere, I

2564
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,280
think part of that partnership and that

2565
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,480
understanding is that when that asset's

2566
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,160
complete, it's now ours. And with that

2567
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,080
is an asset management plan, a lifeline,

2568
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,720
and it's going to need a a time to

2569
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,440
replace it. Um, so there are those costs

2570
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,760
that have to come with that

2571
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,120
understanding. Um, so

2572
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,200
staff's, you know,

2573
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,000
it's very difficult for staff to

2574
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,080
initiate that lead. Um, if it's directed

2575
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,600
by council, sure, but if it's

2576
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,280
community-led,

2577
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,760
that's, you know, that's an option as

2578
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,720
well, too.

2579
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,270
>> Can you just remind me, I forget the

2580
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:50,280
» Can you just remind me, I forget the

2581
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,120
numbers. 25 years ago, the community

2582
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:53,880
rallied and was it 130 you said?

2583
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:54,470
>> 130, yeah.

2584
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:54,480
» 130, yeah.

2585
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:58,390
>> 130. And is that cash or also labor and

2586
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:58,400
» 130. And is that cash or also labor and

2587
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,600
donations in kind?

2588
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,510
>> No labor, no donations in kind. Just

2589
01:30:01,510 --> 01:30:01,520
» No labor, no donations in kind. Just

2590
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:02,480
material. Yeah.

2591
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:03,910
>> And that came from the community.

2592
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:03,920
» And that came from the community.

2593
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:04,350
>> Yep.

2594
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:04,360
» Yep.

2595
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,430
>> And that's 25-year-ago dollars, so maybe

2596
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:07,440
» And that's 25-year-ago dollars, so maybe

2597
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:08,920
double it for today. I know that's

2598
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:10,480
probably still light.

2599
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:11,120
Uh

2600
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,200
the other thing that

2601
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,400
maybe we've learned is that that park is

2602
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:16,920
used by a lot more than just local

2603
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,800
people. We know people communicate a

2604
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,480
long way. We know a lot of them are

2605
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,880
cottagers who find it more kid-friendly,

2606
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,640
perhaps, than their own waterfront. I

2607
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,960
I I don't want to get into designing

2608
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,320
things uh in you know by committee.

2609
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,320
It'll look like a camel.

2610
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,080
Uh but I do uh think that your option

2611
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,520
number four makes sense. I think

2612
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,160
committing to it now makes sense. It's

2613
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:40,960
leadership.

2614
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,960
Career is Mr. Treasure. Uh but

2615
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,000
but I also think, if I add it up right,

2616
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,680
we're about

2617
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,320
$250,000

2618
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,320
short. And perhaps with the assistance

2619
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,320
of uh the community or a rallying point

2620
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,920
for the community, and maybe we could

2621
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,680
sell sponsorships and call that tower

2622
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:04,063
like the Cleveland's House Tower.

2623
01:31:04,073 --> 01:31:07,150
» [laughter]

2624
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,313
» Just write that down.

2625
01:31:09,313 --> 01:31:10,430
>> [laughter]

2626
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:10,440
» [laughter]

2627
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:13,230
>> Um I I have a very strong feeling that

2628
01:31:13,230 --> 01:31:13,240
» Um I I have a very strong feeling that

2629
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,320
by time anybody gets around here in the

2630
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:17,600
spring, would they be They wouldn't be

2631
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,520
doing any site work in the fall. It'd be

2632
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,600
in the spring.

2633
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:21,990
>> Most of it would be in the fall. We had

2634
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:22,000
» Most of it would be in the fall. We had

2635
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,430
>> So, by the time they get around here,

2636
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:23,440
» So, by the time they get around here,

2637
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:24,760
we'll have

2638
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,280
the funds locked down, ready to go. Um

2639
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,040
and because the real embarrassing part

2640
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,320
is, if we don't do this now,

2641
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,000
uh next year that playground could be

2642
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,800
condemned and have to go away. The one

2643
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,160
that's there now. There's nothing to

2644
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,400
replace it.

2645
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:39,630
>> Correct.

2646
01:31:39,630 --> 01:31:39,640
» Correct.

2647
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,830
>> I would rather see that happen um if we

2648
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:42,840
» I would rather see that happen um if we

2649
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,040
can get comfortable with the source of

2650
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,880
funds uh you know that I'm I'm going to

2651
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,440
take your recommendation. You didn't

2652
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,880
make it up. The uh notion of both the

2653
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,720
What was it? Diesel fuel recapture?

2654
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,510
>> Uh it would just be the the concrete

2655
01:31:56,510 --> 01:31:56,520
» Uh it would just be the the concrete

2656
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:57,400
repairs. We

2657
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:58,030
>> Okay.

2658
01:31:58,030 --> 01:31:58,040
» Okay.

2659
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,710
>> We'd re-budget for them in 2027 and look

2660
01:32:00,710 --> 01:32:00,720
» We'd re-budget for them in 2027 and look

2661
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:01,280
to do that.

2662
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:01,870
>> And still

2663
01:32:01,870 --> 01:32:01,880
» And still

2664
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,270
>> go, you know, broke for

2665
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:05,280
» go, you know, broke for

2666
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,120
No, broke's the wrong word. Go hell-bent

2667
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,600
for the um

2668
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,760
applications we've made for the for the

2669
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,240
funding from the government. And there

2670
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,680
may be other sources. And whatever gap

2671
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,920
is in there, creativity. We'll have to

2672
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,040
figure it out and in combination of

2673
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,080
sponsorship from local businesses, uh

2674
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,440
individual

2675
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:25,000
um

2676
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,240
residents who uh wish to make the legacy

2677
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,800
continue. I I frankly would much be be

2678
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,480
much happier doing that than

2679
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:36,240
whatever else. Um Counselor Mazac.

2680
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,510
>> Thank you. And sorry, pretty much took

2681
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:37,520
» Thank you. And sorry, pretty much took

2682
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,160
the words right out of my mouth. I've

2683
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,040
written down here I think my preference

2684
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,120
is the what. And I think that's what uh

2685
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,840
Counselor Edwards picked up on, too.

2686
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,520
He's like, ideally we I think the the

2687
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,240
option three, I think it was, not four.

2688
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,440
Option three is what um

2689
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,080
would be ideal here.

2690
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:54,640
So, now it's a matter of how we get to

2691
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,320
that is what I think I'm hearing. Um so,

2692
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,040
my preference is make a commitment, put

2693
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,160
a stake in the ground, no pun intended,

2694
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,840
um and say that's the option we're going

2695
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,840
for, and then find And I don't want to

2696
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,720
keep repeating, but the innovative way

2697
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,760
to to fund it. It's really not that

2698
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,600
innovative funding and or community

2699
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,160
fundraising. No different. The uh if I

2700
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,840
could just have one uh

2701
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:18,360
a secondary

2702
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,320
um

2703
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,240
It kind of goes back to my question

2704
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,120
earlier just a bit the complete site

2705
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,320
plan. Uh two quick things from a

2706
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,760
fundraising standpoint, are these are is

2707
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,560
this the opportunity to look at that in

2708
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,240
a more broad way as well with different

2709
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,640
partners in the community to add

2710
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,440
amenities after the actual physical

2711
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:38,080
structure as well?

2712
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,190
>> Yes, absolutely. As as we mentioned some

2713
01:33:40,190 --> 01:33:40,200
» Yes, absolutely. As as we mentioned some

2714
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,160
of the other items, the pavilion

2715
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:42,430
>> Right.

2716
01:33:42,430 --> 01:33:42,440
» Right.

2717
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:44,230
>> structure, etc. Those are certainly

2718
01:33:44,230 --> 01:33:44,240
» structure, etc. Those are certainly

2719
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,160
opportunities, even the landscaping of

2720
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,800
the the current playground, that area,

2721
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,680
like there's certainly opportunities

2722
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,280
there locally that we could yeah,

2723
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,000
explore.

2724
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:54,710
>> And thank [clears throat] you. And

2725
01:33:54,710 --> 01:33:54,720
» And thank [clears throat] you. And

2726
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,240
actually, landscaping is my last very

2727
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,760
quick comment. I just don't want to lose

2728
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,320
the thread because one of the other

2729
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:00,960
common questions I think counselors have

2730
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,200
that's is Abbott's brought this up

2731
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,400
earlier about the water quality and the

2732
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,160
geese in particular. And just with I

2733
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:08,960
just want to put it on the record now.

2734
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,040
Could the landscapers as we go through

2735
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:15,480
this site plan review look at innovative

2736
01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:18,040
ways to use natural landscaping to

2737
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,520
perhaps

2738
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,880
reduce the the geese problem. It is a

2739
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,680
problem and I I just I don't know what

2740
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,800
the answer is, but I just think that

2741
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,840
this is the opportunity to do so.

2742
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,200
Thanks.

2743
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:31,670
>> Uh Mr. Moore, do you have a answer?

2744
01:34:31,670 --> 01:34:31,680
» Uh Mr. Moore, do you have a answer?

2745
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,390
>> Yeah, through you, chair. I I would say

2746
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:33,400
» Yeah, through you, chair. I I would say

2747
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,440
absolutely. I think it's a fantastic

2748
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:36,880
idea.

2749
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,240
Um in the 2027 budget currently, kind of

2750
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,400
one of the last remaining

2751
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,120
refurbishments to the park is the beach

2752
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,160
area. So, there's certainly I think that

2753
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,360
opportunity to explore some some options

2754
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,000
for the geese. It's

2755
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,200
the challenge. Yes.

2756
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,750
>> Everybody who makes a donation gets a

2757
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:51,760
» Everybody who makes a donation gets a

2758
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,980
free goose.

2759
01:34:53,980 --> 01:34:55,630
>> [laughter]

2760
01:34:55,630 --> 01:34:55,640
» [laughter]

2761
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,470
>> All right, who else has uh hands up? Uh

2762
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:58,480
» All right, who else has uh hands up? Uh

2763
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:00,000
Counselor Bosworth and then Counselor

2764
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,600
Roberts cuz you we've heard from both of

2765
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:02,720
you and then

2766
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,600
Counselor Edwards.

2767
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,310
>> Um Mr. Moore, if um

2768
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:07,320
» Um Mr. Moore, if um

2769
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,160
we go to the to the community and and

2770
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,360
some of the community come back and want

2771
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:13,920
to offer

2772
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,000
either services or product in kind

2773
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,120
to add to the park, is that an

2774
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:21,640
opportunity? And you know, so for

2775
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,200
example, um

2776
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,160
one of the quarry owners might come and

2777
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:26,920
say I'd like to put a rock pile for them

2778
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,560
to climb in, you know.

2779
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,120
People who supply or transport dirt,

2780
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,520
let's have a berm in here around the

2781
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:37,120
park. Is that Is that something that the

2782
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,200
I guess it's

2783
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,720
no matter which option we went for,

2784
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,360
let's just assume it's option number

2785
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:43,720
three at the moment. That takes a

2786
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,400
certain footprint. Is there enough space

2787
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,720
around to have have other kinds of

2788
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:49,600
things that come to us in kind? We had

2789
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,280
something in kind at Windermere which

2790
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,080
was a a tremendous addition.

2791
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,510
>> Yeah, through you, Chair, absolutely. Um

2792
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:55,520
» Yeah, through you, Chair, absolutely. Um

2793
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,760
that's certainly an opportunity.

2794
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,720
Um and as you had mentioned, that that

2795
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,400
happened in Windermere. Um and uh and we

2796
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,360
see how that turned out with all the the

2797
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,760
plants and the berm there and and the

2798
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,960
logs and the granite, etc. So, those are

2799
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,880
certainly opportunities for sure.

2800
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,430
>> Thank you for that. Uh Councillor

2801
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:13,440
» Thank you for that. Uh Councillor

2802
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:15,360
Robertson Councillor Edwards.

2803
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:16,910
>> Thank you. First of all,

2804
01:36:16,910 --> 01:36:16,920
» Thank you. First of all,

2805
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,360
a question of clarity and second of all,

2806
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,880
I have a comment.

2807
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,640
You mentioned about the deferring of a

2808
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,560
couple of couple of capital budgets, but

2809
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:26,400
I

2810
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,280
correct me if I'm wrong, did I not hear

2811
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:29,800
that

2812
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,360
there would not be any impact because

2813
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,880
we're going to start them late in the

2814
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,720
season and finish them in 2027

2815
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,720
with 2027 dollars and the only risk

2816
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:41,880
would be

2817
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,160
our financial pressures at that time.

2818
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,910
>> Through you, Chair, yes, that's correct.

2819
01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:46,920
» Through you, Chair, yes, that's correct.

2820
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,920
And uh and that was our thought process

2821
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,440
behind um the wharf concrete repair

2822
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,640
project. Um of course, we don't want to

2823
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,720
do that work in season.

2824
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,600
Um so, our plan was to do it late this

2825
01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:59,800
fall.

2826
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:00,400
Um

2827
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,600
we could look to re-budget it through

2828
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,560
the 2027 budget, do that work in late

2829
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,840
winter before the the season starts up

2830
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,800
again. So, that was our thinking behind

2831
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,800
the timing of that project. So, correct,

2832
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,720
it would just become a a financial

2833
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,000
decision through the 2027 budget.

2834
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,230
>> Thank you. So, may I just my comment?

2835
01:37:18,230 --> 01:37:18,240
» Thank you. So, may I just my comment?

2836
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,160
Last after reading the report yesterday,

2837
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:20,800
I

2838
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,800
after late or early evening,

2839
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,440
I went to the Hanna Park and and sat and

2840
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:28,000
watched children play

2841
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,280
for over an hour and a half and I was

2842
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:31,200
trying to assess the value

2843
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,320
of that park currently and

2844
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,880
I I counted 35 play activities

2845
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,840
type of thing and I noticed you play

2846
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,160
talk about the play value and the

2847
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,560
imagination that could occur within the

2848
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,760
within the current structure.

2849
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,200
And um

2850
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,280
I'm very supportive to do what we can to

2851
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,480
get option three in place.

2852
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:54,280
You you use the word marquee.

2853
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:54,790
>> Mhm.

2854
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:54,800
» Mhm.

2855
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,630
>> And I thought last night it's the

2856
01:37:56,630 --> 01:37:56,640
» And I thought last night it's the

2857
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,720
Township crown jewel.

2858
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,680
Of playgrounds and we must do everything

2859
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,080
we can do to to to once again have it

2860
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:06,920
the marquee or the crown jewel for the

2861
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,400
Township. So people is a destination for

2862
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,120
people to go. So I'm in supportive of

2863
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,920
whatever we can do in option three.

2864
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,080
Thank you.

2865
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,190
>> Thank you for that. Counselor Edwards

2866
01:38:17,190 --> 01:38:17,200
» Thank you for that. Counselor Edwards

2867
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,080
and then Counselor Mazan.

2868
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,830
>> Yes.

2869
01:38:20,830 --> 01:38:20,840
» Yes.

2870
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,680
No matter what option we do

2871
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,800
if we do the layout for option three and

2872
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,440
everything that it could be added

2873
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:30,320
afterwards rather than doing something

2874
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,280
is it all now we

2875
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,200
we put that in and we we can't do option

2876
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:36,320
the future.

2877
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,760
And again I would remind everyone

2878
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,440
and that that I would not take that the

2879
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:43,200
uh

2880
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,200
diesel fuel replacement and that's

2881
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,920
safety. That's our

2882
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,720
our staff, our firefighters. I would not

2883
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:51,880
take that out.

2884
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:53,430
>> Thank you for that.

2885
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:53,440
» Thank you for that.

2886
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,080
Counselor Mazan, you have a motion you

2887
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:56,280
want to make?

2888
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:57,710
>> Thank you and I know the question was

2889
01:38:57,710 --> 01:38:57,720
» Thank you and I know the question was

2890
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,640
asked earlier too. I I would like to put

2891
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,720
forward a motion to the to I think it's

2892
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:03,240
under direct staff to proceed with

2893
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:04,880
option number three.

2894
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,600
I don't know if somebody

2895
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,990
>> I will second that.

2896
01:39:08,990 --> 01:39:09,000
» I will second that.

2897
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,320
I will second that.

2898
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,710
>> All right, we're going to uh

2899
01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:13,720
» All right, we're going to uh

2900
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,280
just take a literally stand in your

2901
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:16,520
place one minute. They're going to get

2902
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,400
the resolution right. I'll step away and

2903
01:39:18,400 --> 01:40:29,110
let you talk.

2904
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,040
» Okay.

2905
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:48,670
This isn't the one I'm reading.

2906
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,000
You've seen it?

2907
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:51,800
This is

2908
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,520
Have you seen it?

2909
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:54,510
>> We're just going to read it. That's what

2910
01:40:54,510 --> 01:40:54,520
» We're just going to read it. That's what

2911
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:55,480
I

2912
01:40:55,480 --> 01:40:56,590
>> You're just going to read it. You can

2913
01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:56,600
» You're just going to read it. You can

2914
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:19,030
listen to it.

2915
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,160
What's that?

2916
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:21,430
>> Should we put it on the table?

2917
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:21,440
» Should we put it on the table?

2918
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:22,870
>> Yeah, let me let me I We're going to put

2919
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:22,880
» Yeah, let me let me I We're going to put

2920
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,760
it on the table. You can get a chance to

2921
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,480
read it then, right?

2922
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:27,880
We can move it and we just have to make

2923
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,080
sure it's straight.

2924
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:41,030
Okay.

2925
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,680
» One person.

2926
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:43,150
>> Okay.

2927
01:41:43,150 --> 01:41:43,160
» Okay.

2928
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:43,550
>> Yeah.

2929
01:41:43,550 --> 01:41:43,560
» Yeah.

2930
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,270
>> All right, as is?

2931
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:45,280
» All right, as is?

2932
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,280
You're good You're good with it like

2933
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:47,880
this? Okay.

2934
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:50,760
Okay, I'm going to read uh

2935
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,560
I'm going to read a proposed amendment

2936
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,600
uh to the resolution that I already

2937
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,080
read, and it goes like this. Moved by

2938
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,920
Councillor Mazan, seconded by Councillor

2939
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:01,440
Bosworth.

2940
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:03,480
Be it resolved that the resolution be

2941
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:05,960
amended to include the following after

2942
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,120
{quote} option three as outlined in

2943
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,280
staff report OPS-2026-022,

2944
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,040
{close quote}.

2945
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,800
And that projects 26087,

2946
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,360
26089,

2947
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,120
and 26090

2948
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,880
{bracket} Wharf concrete repairs

2949
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,360
be deferred and reconsidered in a future

2950
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:27,240
capital budget should should submitted

2951
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,320
grant applications or community funding

2952
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,280
not be successful.

2953
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,040
And that funds from project 26087,

2954
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:37,160
26089, and 26090

2955
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,120
in the amount of $300,000 be reallocated

2956
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,360
to project 26065 Hanna Park playground

2957
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,790
replacement.

2958
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,880
Anybody comment? Uh Councillor Kent and

2959
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,520
then Councillor Edwards.

2960
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:53,830
>> I guess

2961
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:53,840
» I guess

2962
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,920
I think that's too much money for us to

2963
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,840
be committing to today

2964
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,640
without a condition that the

2965
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:02,480
I I

2966
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:04,240
I think the 130 gets you part of the way

2967
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,720
there. We get funding from the grant

2968
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,440
money, but I think that the community

2969
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:10,560
has to raise some money. I don't think

2970
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,240
there's we should have a conditionality

2971
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:13,440
if you're going to If you're going to

2972
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,040
fund that, it has to be conditional upon

2973
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,160
the fundraising coming in from the

2974
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,120
community. It's They've We're there

2975
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:21,560
before. They were there for Windermere

2976
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,920
Park. It's more money than we have in

2977
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:24,640
the

2978
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,920
future. Like and I'm happy to do it. I

2979
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,800
think what I said [clears throat] is the

2980
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,280
last piece, which is an easy add-on,

2981
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,080
should be conditional upon the funding

2982
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,920
from the community. We can do stage two,

2983
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,920
but stage three becomes an issue with,

2984
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,400
you know, you're really pulling away

2985
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:41,920
from other critical projects that are in

2986
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,320
the budget. And

2987
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:45,600
I don't think we should be doing it. I

2988
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,960
think it's irresponsible. I think we

2989
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,200
should get everybody invested and I

2990
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:50,160
would

2991
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,240
leave I would leave the phase three up

2992
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,560
to the $500 number as a conditional upon

2993
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,320
um with a deadline. You have to give us

2994
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,240
a deadline for when they'd have to have

2995
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,440
that money to be able to go forward.

2996
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,400
A conditional upon fed or money and/or

2997
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,120
community fundraising of a total of

2998
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:07,680
actually something.

2999
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:08,520
So,

3000
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:09,880
that would be my recommendation.

3001
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,510
>> Thank you. Uh anyone else with a

3002
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:11,520
» Thank you. Uh anyone else with a

3003
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,520
comment? Counselor Edwards.

3004
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,510
>> Uh yes. So, if I read that

3005
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:17,520
» Uh yes. So, if I read that

3006
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,040
I understand what you're saying is we're

3007
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,000
just taking the wharf repair only out.

3008
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,840
Okay.

3009
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,350
>> Sorry. Uh who answered that?

3010
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:27,360
» Sorry. Uh who answered that?

3011
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:28,680
Yeah, thank you.

3012
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:30,560
Um

3013
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:31,950
>> Maybe Corey can clarify.

3014
01:44:31,950 --> 01:44:31,960
» Maybe Corey can clarify.

3015
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,550
>> Yeah, I'm going to ask Mr. Moore to

3016
01:44:33,550 --> 01:44:33,560
» Yeah, I'm going to ask Mr. Moore to

3017
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:35,040
clarify that.

3018
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:36,430
>> Yes, through you, chair. That's correct.

3019
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:36,440
» Yes, through you, chair. That's correct.

3020
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:37,880
It would just be the wharf. The The

3021
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:43,750
other project would continue.

3022
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,160
» Uh Counselor Nishikawa.

3023
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,630
>> Thank you. I'm and I apologize cuz I'm

3024
01:44:48,630 --> 01:44:48,640
» Thank you. I'm and I apologize cuz I'm

3025
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,720
not trying to redesign anything at all.

3026
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,840
I'm just thinking about the numbers and

3027
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,840
it felt like we were

3028
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,600
it it's not in A option.

3029
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,800
So, if I was wanting to go with option

3030
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,640
one, but in fact, I'm just talking about

3031
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:08,280
the dollar figure. So, the 261,000,

3032
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:09,600
something like that.

3033
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:10,190
>> Mhm.

3034
01:45:10,190 --> 01:45:10,200
» Mhm.

3035
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,270
>> And then

3036
01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:12,280
» And then

3037
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,840
but request that in fact with the

3038
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,880
261,000

3039
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,000
build the big bigger tower. Because in

3040
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,000
the option one, it doesn't have the

3041
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,360
biggest tower, right? And so, I don't

3042
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,440
want to put an option. I just want to

3043
01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:27,520
approve a

3044
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,160
a dollar figure of what we're going to

3045
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,400
commit to today

3046
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,800
and then look for other additional

3047
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,640
fundraising opportunities where we can

3048
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,520
then add on to the park. It's that big

3049
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,520
tower that Allan had mentioned earlier

3050
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:43,960
that is the biggest expense.

3051
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,320
Um but yet

3052
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,000
I think I would say the most attractive

3053
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,280
piece to to the project.

3054
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,320
So it's it's not for me it's it's a

3055
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,160
dollar figure. It's not of what what

3056
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:56,760
items I'm putting in with that dollar

3057
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:00,240
figure at this point. Um anyhow, I I I'd

3058
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,910
like to see that changed a bit.

3059
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:06,960
» Um

3060
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:07,680
Yeah, Mr. Moore.

3061
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,590
>> Through you, Chair. Um if we were at

3062
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:09,600
» Through you, Chair. Um if we were at

3063
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,960
that dollar figure, the the timber tower

3064
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,840
probably wouldn't be an option.

3065
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,280
Um or else it would just be that and

3066
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,480
that that piece only.

3067
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,360
From there, if we were to add on should

3068
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,760
we receive additional funding etc. The

3069
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:25,840
one

3070
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,400
part that we have to think of when we're

3071
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:30,720
doing these phases is every time

3072
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,520
we assume those costs for shipping, for

3073
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,320
labor, etc. you know, to come up here to

3074
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,600
do it.

3075
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,520
Um if we can do it in as least amount of

3076
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,160
phases as possible, it's going to save

3077
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,990
us the most amount in the long run.

3078
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,080
» Agreed. Uh Counselor Zavitz.

3079
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,750
>> Uh thank you. Through you to Corey. So

3080
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:49,760
» Uh thank you. Through you to Corey. So

3081
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:50,800
Corey,

3082
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,320
were we to approve the 261, the budgeted

3083
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,960
amount, uh and then at budget time in

3084
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,800
November, Jan- December,

3085
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,920
um someone brings forward a motion to

3086
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:04,960
look at enhancing the park. I talked to

3087
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,120
you earlier about feasibility. Is that

3088
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,320
viable? What do you think as the main

3089
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,400
contractor here? Is that a viable

3090
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:12,520
solution?

3091
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,630
>> It certainly is. Um I think

3092
01:47:15,630 --> 01:47:15,640
» It certainly is. Um I think

3093
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,320
what we heard from the feedback through

3094
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,720
the survey was people weren't well

3095
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:21,720
supporting option one.

3096
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,280
Um they were pretty underwhelmed by it,

3097
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,120
which is why I think we we set the

3098
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,440
option two and the option three. Um,

3099
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:32,040
so I think I think going with the base

3100
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,760
of option one,

3101
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,680
um, it would be challenging even if we

3102
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,840
were to phase it, which we can do, but

3103
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:39,840
we heard pretty loudly that it it wasn't

3104
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,880
very well supported.

3105
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:44,190
>> Uh, Council Abbott, yes.

3106
01:47:44,190 --> 01:47:44,200
» Uh, Council Abbott, yes.

3107
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:44,910
>> Thank you. And through you,

3108
01:47:44,910 --> 01:47:44,920
» Thank you. And through you,

3109
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:46,920
supplemental, um, preface to my

3110
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,320
question.

3111
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,040
Uh, um,

3112
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:51,640
phase one,

3113
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,040
right? And let's call it phase one,

3114
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:54,920
which is the budgeted amount, so

3115
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:56,920
taxpayers would love that. Uh, the

3116
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,000
people that are going to use it, though,

3117
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:00,920
when budget time comes, one of us,

3118
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,080
someone, whoever gets elected, uh,

3119
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:06,320
brings it brings a forward a motion that

3120
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,920
we enhance Hannah Park to the tune of

3121
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,360
options B or C,

3122
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,400
what does that what does that do to you?

3123
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,000
What does that do to the project? Cuz

3124
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,600
you'd be getting it started, you'd be

3125
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,640
waiting for your granting, you know,

3126
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,120
everything else is straight ahead, but

3127
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,480
we aren't eating the $550,000

3128
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:27,400
elephant, is my thought.

3129
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:28,630
>> Through you, it it's certainly an

3130
01:48:28,630 --> 01:48:28,640
» Through you, it it's certainly an

3131
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,280
option. If we know that our plan is to

3132
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,160
do a phase two at some point, we can

3133
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,400
certainly configure it to allow that

3134
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,000
expansion. Um, I think it becomes

3135
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,360
whether you want some of those

3136
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,840
basic kind of ground beginning items

3137
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,000
from option one or option two to expand

3138
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,440
upon.

3139
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:47,140
>> It just

3140
01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:47,150
» It just

3141
01:48:47,150 --> 01:48:47,230
>> [clears throat]

3142
01:48:47,230 --> 01:48:47,240
» [clears throat]

3143
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:48,910
>> Let me follow up on that one, cuz my

3144
01:48:48,910 --> 01:48:48,920
» Let me follow up on that one, cuz my

3145
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,280
understanding is like building a house.

3146
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:52,600
If you decide halfway through you want

3147
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:53,360
to

3148
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:54,720
double the size,

3149
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,800
you missed your opportunity to build the

3150
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,840
proper foundation under it and pour

3151
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,320
concrete under it. I mean, these things

3152
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,640
don't just lie on the ground. They are

3153
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:04,480
anchored and they are anchored and I

3154
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,480
assess assume kind of cross anchored

3155
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:10,120
together. Um, and so if you don't do the

3156
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:12,320
whole thing at once,

3157
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:14,280
I suppose anything's possible. If you

3158
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,840
don't do the whole thing at once,

3159
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,160
uh, costs go right through the roof. You

3160
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:19,680
got to bring all the earth moving people

3161
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:20,840
back in,

3162
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,920
engineers back in. To me, it just I'm

3163
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,440
trying to I'm hopefully we're going to

3164
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:28,040
avoid that kind of duplication and bet

3165
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,360
on the on the long run that that we're

3166
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:31,760
going to find the funding through the

3167
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,760
community, through grants,

3168
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,640
uh and

3169
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:39,070
whatever else we have to do.

3170
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:40,240
» Uh

3171
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:41,520
Counselor Zavitz, thank you. Through

3172
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,790
you, I guess to your point, I mean

3173
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:45,150
>> [laughter]

3174
01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:45,160
» [laughter]

3175
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,910
>> you know, it's we're we're doubling a

3176
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:46,920
» you know, it's we're we're doubling a

3177
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:49,960
budget for a park, right? That's that's

3178
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:52,720
a consideration for the taxpayers. And

3179
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:57,280
so, to my to my idea is that

3180
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,160
I don't know how we can look people in

3181
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,200
the eye and say, you know, we originally

3182
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:03,320
set a budget of 261 at some point in

3183
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:06,360
time in this chamber a year ago, and now

3184
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,960
it's virtually double. I just can't

3185
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,200
settle I can't support it. I just can't

3186
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,800
understand why we would

3187
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:14,600
bring it forward.

3188
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,350
>> I and my only comment is I heard Mr.

3189
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:17,360
» I and my only comment is I heard Mr.

3190
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:18,720
Moore say that

3191
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,920
we picked the 261 cuz we literally

3192
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,960
doubled the number from 25 years ago.

3193
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:23,960
So,

3194
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,320
I thought that's what you said.

3195
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,080
Yeah.

3196
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:30,390
>> With all respect, sir, that is not where

3197
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:30,400
» With all respect, sir, that is not where

3198
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:31,640
the budget came from.

3199
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:32,710
>> Okay, where did it come from? That's

3200
01:50:32,710 --> 01:50:32,720
» Okay, where did it come from? That's

3201
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,320
what I That's what I heard. Staff.

3202
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,390
>> Budget came from staff.

3203
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:36,400
» Budget came from staff.

3204
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,390
>> Yeah.

3205
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:38,400
» Yeah.

3206
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:39,320
Yeah.

3207
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,030
>> Through you, Chair. Yes, we we went with

3208
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:41,040
» Through you, Chair. Yes, we we went with

3209
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,640
the original budget and put in the

3210
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,520
inflation inflationary factors into it,

3211
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,240
as well as, you know, starting with

3212
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:52,256
Jasper Park, what we saw there, etc.

3213
01:50:52,256 --> 01:50:54,070
>> [snorts]

3214
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:54,080
» [snorts]

3215
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,630
>> Okay, so if we just basically doubled

3216
01:50:56,630 --> 01:50:56,640
» Okay, so if we just basically doubled

3217
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,440
the number from 25 years ago, we were

3218
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,880
way light going in.

3219
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:03,360
But the But it was the budget, that's

3220
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:04,480
for sure. I don't know who was first,

3221
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:07,280
Counselor Mazen, Counselor Edwards.

3222
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:08,720
And then Kent, Counselor Kent.

3223
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:09,750
>> Yeah, thank you. And through you, I'm

3224
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:09,760
» Yeah, thank you. And through you, I'm

3225
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,920
just going to reiterate my comments that

3226
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,800
uh think it's determining the what. I

3227
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,360
don't think that I haven't heard that

3228
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:16,840
there's a resistance to option number

3229
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:18,840
three as a design. It seems pretty

3230
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,400
spectacular. Seems appropriate uh to

3231
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,400
Councillor comments. It's really about

3232
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,600
the funding. Um

3233
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,480
I think the project I just want to hear

3234
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:30,600
again from staff the clarity about the

3235
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:33,400
wharf. This is simply

3236
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:36,200
a deferral of the wharf capital budget

3237
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:37,960
to allow for this to happen. Can you

3238
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,520
just explain

3239
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,880
what that is for forever?

3240
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:43,320
Improvements to the wharf or how does

3241
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:44,520
that work?

3242
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:45,310
>> Mr. Moore.

3243
01:51:45,310 --> 01:51:45,320
» Mr. Moore.

3244
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,150
>> No, through you. You're correct. It's

3245
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:47,160
» No, through you. You're correct. It's

3246
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,080
more of a a timeline between the

3247
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,280
projects and a kind of a switch. Um so

3248
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,000
we would still complete the wharf

3249
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,080
repairs prior to the beginning of next

3250
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:59,040
season. Um which is which is what our

3251
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:00,080
goal would be.

3252
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,670
>> All right, Councillor Mazin, follow up.

3253
01:52:01,670 --> 01:52:01,680
» All right, Councillor Mazin, follow up.

3254
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:02,470
>> Yeah, thank you. Just a quick

3255
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:02,480
» Yeah, thank you. Just a quick

3256
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:03,880
supplement. And that's a fairly common

3257
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,320
practice. We've done that around this

3258
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:07,600
table. We rearrange projects on an

3259
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,120
ongoing basis depending on new

3260
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:11,880
information, whatever the application is

3261
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,160
or whatever the report may be. So that's

3262
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:16,920
not at risk, I guess I would say.

3263
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:17,270
>> Correct.

3264
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:17,280
» Correct.

3265
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,870
>> And it just the last comment, that's

3266
01:52:19,870 --> 01:52:19,880
» And it just the last comment, that's

3267
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,160
almost a bit of a placeholder how I've

3268
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,600
read that resolution as we await

3269
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,400
information for the federal grants that

3270
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:28,480
staff have already put those

3271
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:31,600
applications in. So if those came in,

3272
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,720
that that's the offset to this. In

3273
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,920
addition, I think the community has

3274
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,360
probably heard loud and clear there is

3275
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:40,760
opportunity for community fundraising to

3276
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,440
make sure that we all participate to

3277
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:43,840
make no different than what we saw in

3278
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,800
Windermere to really make this place

3279
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:46,520
special.

3280
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:46,830
>> Mhm.

3281
01:52:46,830 --> 01:52:46,840
» Mhm.

3282
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,310
>> So staff has the capability to do both

3283
01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:49,320
» So staff has the capability to do both

3284
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:50,360
of those things as well. Is that

3285
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:50,920
correct?

3286
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:51,590
>> That's correct.

3287
01:52:51,590 --> 01:52:51,600
» That's correct.

3288
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:52,870
>> Thank you.

3289
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:52,880
» Thank you.

3290
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,950
>> Uh Councillor Edwards, Councillor Kent,

3291
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:54,960
» Uh Councillor Edwards, Councillor Kent,

3292
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,640
Councillor Bosworth.

3293
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,790
>> Yeah, so we had the 261. We've just

3294
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:58,800
» Yeah, so we had the 261. We've just

3295
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,880
taken the 300,000 which makes it um

3296
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:06,520
561,000. Option three was 550. So we're

3297
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,680
we're we're well covered with this

3298
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:10,520
and that, so I would support it.

3299
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:10,950
>> Thank you.

3300
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:10,960
» Thank you.

3301
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:11,670
>> Thank you.

3302
01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:11,680
» Thank you.

3303
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:13,470
>> Uh Council Ken.

3304
01:53:13,470 --> 01:53:13,480
» Uh Council Ken.

3305
01:53:13,480 --> 01:53:15,590
>> I guess my my concern is

3306
01:53:15,590 --> 01:53:15,600
» I guess my my concern is

3307
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:18,720
I thought addressing your shipping issue

3308
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,760
option two stuff was the stuff that was

3309
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,920
sort of basic

3310
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:25,760
had the monkey bars and a whole bunch of

3311
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:26,800
the things you showed us.

3312
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:27,790
>> Mhm.

3313
01:53:27,790 --> 01:53:27,800
» Mhm.

3314
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,670
>> And that all would be part of the basic

3315
01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:29,680
» And that all would be part of the basic

3316
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,960
structure. It's this tower and my

3317
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:33,840
concern is you're giving it to the

3318
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,160
community rather than requiring it. By

3319
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:37,600
doing that, there's no incentive for

3320
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:39,800
them to go out and raise the $150,000 or

3321
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:41,920
$200,000 and I really would like to see

3322
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,440
that involve it's a tangible piece.

3323
01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:46,440
By by based on your and my the

3324
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,000
materials, it's tangible piece that's

3325
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,560
very separable, big, it does make the

3326
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:52,320
project.

3327
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,520
The option two stuff is sort of part of

3328
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,320
the basics that we don't have the money

3329
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,160
for to get to the 408, I thought was the

3330
01:53:58,160 --> 01:53:59,120
number.

3331
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,040
And then the the excess above that was

3332
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,520
for this tower and I think that's where

3333
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,600
if we give it to the community

3334
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:09,640
and then we're taking the exposure that

3335
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:11,910
>> I think you underestimate the community.

3336
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:11,920
» I think you underestimate the community.

3337
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:12,910
>> Underestimate?

3338
01:54:12,910 --> 01:54:12,920
» Underestimate?

3339
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:13,630
>> I do.

3340
01:54:13,630 --> 01:54:13,640
» I do.

3341
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,590
>> I'm sorry. I'm just I One other comment,

3342
01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:15,600
» I'm sorry. I'm just I One other comment,

3343
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:15,720
I think

3344
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:16,630
>> Oh yeah, Mr. Mayor.

3345
01:54:16,630 --> 01:54:16,640
» Oh yeah, Mr. Mayor.

3346
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:17,230
>> the money

3347
01:54:17,230 --> 01:54:17,240
» the money

3348
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,030
>> Sorry, if I if I may, just to help

3349
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:19,040
» Sorry, if I if I may, just to help

3350
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,160
answer that that clarity there. That

3351
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:23,320
would be kind of the the envision if we

3352
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:24,840
were going to do phase, you know, option

3353
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,440
two with the ability for option three.

3354
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:29,520
To the mayor's point earlier

3355
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,480
it is it would be cheaper to do it all

3356
01:54:31,480 --> 01:54:33,480
now. If you're going to do it in phases,

3357
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,000
you're going to end up paying more for

3358
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,320
that phase two because you are going to

3359
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,280
have to re-dig up the whole playground.

3360
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,720
It is like a house, there's a foundation

3361
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,080
underground that needs to be installed,

3362
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,560
poured, concrete, etc. We'd have to then

3363
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:49,520
re-landscape, redo the wood fiber, etc.

3364
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,310
>> I was only suggesting that option three

3365
01:54:51,310 --> 01:54:51,320
» I was only suggesting that option three

3366
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:53,160
got delayed. Option two happened right

3367
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,880
up front. We approved 408.

3368
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,510
>> Yeah, for option three, we'd still have

3369
01:54:56,510 --> 01:54:56,520
» Yeah, for option three, we'd still have

3370
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,720
to do all of that additional work, so

3371
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,640
if we were to do the phases, option

3372
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,480
three would end up being more if you

3373
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:04,400
were to do it in phases.

3374
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,070
>> I would just make the one point, Peter,

3375
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:06,080
» I would just make the one point, Peter,

3376
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,480
uh Mayor Kelly, that the $300,000 were

3377
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,880
taken from the future is real money that

3378
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,520
we don't have next year. So, we are

3379
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,200
$300,000

3380
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,360
It's a deferral, but it's $300,000 that

3381
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:17,960
we don't have

3382
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:19,800
when we go to do the budget next year.

3383
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:20,550
>> Thank you.

3384
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:20,560
» Thank you.

3385
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:21,390
>> So, we have a bigger problem.

3386
01:55:21,390 --> 01:55:21,400
» So, we have a bigger problem.

3387
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,350
>> Uh Counselor Edwards.

3388
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:23,360
» Uh Counselor Edwards.

3389
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,950
>> Um with building the option three now,

3390
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:26,960
» Um with building the option three now,

3391
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,840
you're going to get more donations for

3392
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,920
that if you went out and said, "Oh, by

3393
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,440
the way, we have to fix the concrete.

3394
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:33,680
Would you donate to fixing the

3395
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,320
concrete?"

3396
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:36,120
And that

3397
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:36,550
>> Thank you for

3398
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:36,560
» Thank you for

3399
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,110
>> the ground, and you'll get the money.

3400
01:55:38,110 --> 01:55:38,120
» the ground, and you'll get the money.

3401
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:38,440
Thank you.

3402
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:39,630
>> point.

3403
01:55:39,630 --> 01:55:39,640
» point.

3404
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,280
Okay, who had a question? Anyone else

3405
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:42,920
over here? Counselor Bosworth.

3406
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:44,910
>> No, just a comment. It's more uh just

3407
01:55:44,910 --> 01:55:44,920
» No, just a comment. It's more uh just

3408
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,160
extending uh what um

3409
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:48,920
Counselor Kentscher just did. I And I

3410
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:50,280
just I'm also looking for a little

3411
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:51,800
clarification. I think I think the

3412
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:55,960
resolution said that we would defer the

3413
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:56,840
uh

3414
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:59,440
fuel retention and the concrete, and

3415
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:02,520
that adds up to No, it's

3416
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,680
Well, how do we get to option four?

3417
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:06,870
>> Option There's no option four. I

3418
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:06,880
» Option There's no option four. I

3419
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:07,320
misspoke.

3420
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:08,110
>> Option three, rather.

3421
01:56:08,110 --> 01:56:08,120
» Option three, rather.

3422
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:09,110
>> The work

3423
01:56:09,110 --> 01:56:09,120
» The work

3424
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:13,320
The wharf concrete project is 300,000.

3425
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:17,120
And the um fire station

3426
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:19,400
is 120,000.

3427
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,790
But

3428
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:22,080
» So

3429
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,550
>> No, so let let me just ask for

3430
01:56:23,550 --> 01:56:23,560
» No, so let let me just ask for

3431
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:27,080
clarification. We need almost 300 to get

3432
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,040
from option one to option three.

3433
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:29,790
>> Correct.

3434
01:56:29,790 --> 01:56:29,800
» Correct.

3435
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,190
>> 120's not enough to get there.

3436
01:56:32,190 --> 01:56:32,200
» 120's not enough to get there.

3437
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:32,990
>> Correct.

3438
01:56:32,990 --> 01:56:33,000
» Correct.

3439
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:36,870
>> So, where is the difference coming from?

3440
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:36,880
» So, where is the difference coming from?

3441
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,510
>> So, through you, Chair, we'd be

3442
01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:38,520
» So, through you, Chair, we'd be

3443
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:39,870
>> Are we going to risk that? Are we Are we

3444
01:56:39,870 --> 01:56:39,880
» Are we going to risk that? Are we Are we

3445
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:41,120
going to assume that we're getting that

3446
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,320
extra from the grant?

3447
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,230
>> Through you, Chair, the wharf concrete

3448
01:56:45,230 --> 01:56:45,240
» Through you, Chair, the wharf concrete

3449
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:47,920
repairs is is 300,000.

3450
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,480
So, we would defer that project,

3451
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,520
reallocate those funds to Hanna Park to

3452
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:55,840
make up the 300,000 deficit. The diesel

3453
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,560
retractors at the fire station would

3454
01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:59,440
continue and we'd still complete those

3455
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,560
this year.

3456
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,150
>> And but and and if I may just finalize

3457
01:57:03,150 --> 01:57:03,160
» And but and and if I may just finalize

3458
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:04,960
the comments.

3459
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,200
We're we're not we are committing to

3460
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,600
spending

3461
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:11,800
almost 300,000 more than is than is in

3462
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,920
our 190 million dollar 10-year capital

3463
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,880
plan. We will have to get the money from

3464
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:17,040
somewhere and I think we're going to

3465
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,520
take the risk that we will get it either

3466
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,480
from grants or combination of grants and

3467
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,520
donations and we will cover that distant

3468
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:26,640
difference and we will be whole. So, I

3469
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:27,960
think that's what we're looking at right

3470
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:32,510
now and that's that's a good way to go.

3471
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:34,400
Anybody else with anything new question

3472
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:37,430
or comment?

3473
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:38,880
Uh

3474
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,000
Well,

3475
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,320
if you want to propose an amendment to

3476
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:43,880
the resolution and get a second or

3477
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,270
>> I like what Councilwoman said that with

3478
01:57:46,270 --> 01:57:46,280
» I like what Councilwoman said that with

3479
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:49,400
the anticipation that grants and

3480
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:51,960
community funding will offset some of

3481
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:54,080
the funds we've deferred from 2000

3482
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:55,870
>> It says in here should submitted grant

3483
01:57:55,870 --> 01:57:55,880
» It says in here should submitted grant

3484
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:57,920
applications or community funding not be

3485
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,320
successful so it's covered.

3486
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,480
Okay, on the amendment right, the second

3487
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:05,000
one I read.

3488
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,440
I'm going to call the question. All in

3489
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:09,070
favor.

3490
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:11,360
Anyone opposed?

3491
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:17,470
That carries. Thank you.

3492
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,040
And the one I read first,

3493
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,480
uh we're just going to call the question

3494
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:26,990
on it. All in favor of it as amended.

3495
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:28,440
That carries as well. Thank you very

3496
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,270
much.

3497
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,880
Okay, I might suggest uh

3498
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:38,080
quick break uh till

3499
01:58:38,080 --> 02:12:19,910
and after I got to get out of here.

3500
02:12:19,920 --> 02:13:51,150
» Mhm.

3501
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:52,920
» Okay, welcome back.

3502
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:55,000
Uh, I think we're all back.

3503
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:56,040
Um,

3504
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:58,320
Okay, going to go through some uh,

3505
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:04,030
zoning bylaws first.

3506
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:09,550
» No problem.

3507
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:16,510
Thank you.

3508
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:19,240
» Um 426-289.

3509
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:22,120
This is not the one I thought it was.

3510
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:45,430
Oh, I'm on the wrong page.

3511
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:48,160
Okay. Uh first one up is a move by

3512
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:49,520
Councillor Zavits, seconded by

3513
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:51,240
Councillor Roberts.

3514
02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:54,680
Be it resolved that bylaw 2026-080

3515
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:56,560
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3516
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,280
2014-14

3517
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:00,640
{bracket} Endicott Endicott and

3518
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:04,680
Singleton, roll number 4-23-085

3519
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:07,120
be read a first and second time. Any

3520
02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:08,360
questions?

3521
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:09,800
All in favor.

3522
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:17,070
That carries. Thank you.

3523
02:15:17,080 --> 02:15:18,600
Uh next one is [clears throat] moved by

3524
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:20,480
Councillor Edwards, seconded by

3525
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,000
Councillor Nishikawa.

3526
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,920
Be it resolved that bylaw 2026-080

3527
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:27,240
to to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3528
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:29,560
2014-14

3529
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:31,680
{bracket} Endicott and Singleton, roll

3530
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,400
number 4-23-085

3531
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:36,920
be read a third time and finally passed.

3532
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:38,440
All in favor.

3533
02:15:38,440 --> 02:15:45,150
That carries. Thank you.

3534
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:47,520
Next one is moved by Councillor Kent,

3535
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:49,920
seconded by Councillor McIntyre. Be it

3536
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:53,360
resolved that bylaw 2026-081

3537
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:55,240
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3538
02:15:55,240 --> 02:15:57,200
2014-14

3539
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:58,920
{bracket} Algonquin International

3540
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:04,070
Corporation, roll number 9-2-002-01

3541
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:06,600
be read a first and second time.

3542
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:09,000
Any questions? All in favor?

3543
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:12,160
That carries. Thank you.

3544
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:13,960
Next one, moved by Councillor Bosworth,

3545
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:16,080
seconded by Councillor Zavitz.

3546
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:19,720
Be it resolved that bylaw 2026-081

3547
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:21,480
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3548
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:23,360
2014-14

3549
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:25,480
{bracket} Algonquin International

3550
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:30,320
Corporation roll number 9-2-002-01

3551
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:32,920
be read a third time and finally passed.

3552
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:34,559
All in favor?

3553
02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:41,110
That carries. Thank you.

3554
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:43,519
Next one is moved by Councillor Roberts,

3555
02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:45,880
seconded by Councillor Mazan.

3556
02:16:45,880 --> 02:16:49,240
Be it resolved that bylaw 2026-082

3557
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:51,040
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3558
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:53,160
2014-14

3559
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:56,440
{bracket} Aspen Wildlife Sanctuary

3560
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:59,320
roll numbers 1-1

3561
02:16:59,320 --> 02:17:03,120
-013 and 1-1-012

3562
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:05,440
be read a first and second time. Any

3563
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:07,320
questions?

3564
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:09,120
You do have a question? Councillor

3565
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:10,800
Nishikawa.

3566
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:13,430
>> Sorry, thank you. I just wanted to um

3567
02:17:13,430 --> 02:17:13,440
» Sorry, thank you. I just wanted to um

3568
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:16,470
ask um

3569
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:18,960
staff or I'm I think it'll be planning

3570
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:22,160
staff, but essentially about the added

3571
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,320
um notes from our

3572
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:27,400
building official if this is being taken

3573
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:29,559
into consideration.

3574
02:17:29,559 --> 02:17:32,150
>> Ms. Crowder, are you able to come

3575
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:32,160
» Ms. Crowder, are you able to come

3576
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:42,270
forward and enlighten?

3577
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:42,719
» Hello.

3578
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:43,509
>> I don't know if Did you hear the

3579
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:43,519
» I don't know if Did you hear the

3580
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:44,280
question?

3581
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:46,350
>> Morning. Um if the chief building

3582
02:17:46,350 --> 02:17:46,360
» Morning. Um if the chief building

3583
02:17:46,360 --> 02:17:48,719
official comments have been added

3584
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:52,400
Um so bear with me.

3585
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,160
Okay. Uh through you, Chair. This is not

3586
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:56,960
my application and I'm sort of stepping

3587
02:17:56,960 --> 02:17:59,040
in here cuz we have some vacations, but

3588
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,719
we do have CAO Pink on the line and um

3589
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:04,440
the chief building official himself. Um

3590
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:08,160
so I don't know exactly which comments

3591
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:11,950
we're referring to.

3592
02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:13,760
» Wait, but literally Oh, sorry, you want

3593
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,040
to answer that one? Go ahead.

3594
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:17,750
>> I just wanted to add um essentially

3595
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:17,760
» I just wanted to add um essentially

3596
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:20,679
there was some encroachment comments

3597
02:18:20,679 --> 02:18:23,760
that were made and some others and as

3598
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:25,280
basically

3599
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:27,480
um

3600
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:29,719
that these would be brought into

3601
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:31,760
consideration when the site plan was

3602
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,666
being developed.

3603
02:18:34,666 --> 02:18:34,990
>> [snorts]

3604
02:18:34,990 --> 02:18:35,000
» [snorts]

3605
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:35,790
>> Ms. Crowder.

3606
02:18:35,790 --> 02:18:35,800
» Ms. Crowder.

3607
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:37,750
>> Through you, chair. We've got the CBO on

3608
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:37,760
» Through you, chair. We've got the CBO on

3609
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:39,480
the call here, so maybe I'll let him

3610
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:42,360
refer, but any encroachment or

3611
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:44,719
um non-compliances that have been raised

3612
02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:47,599
by um staff would be addressed at site

3613
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:48,800
plan control. We wouldn't be in a

3614
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:51,480
position to approve a site plan if there

3615
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:53,280
were non-compliances shown that were not

3616
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:54,679
brought into compliance with the zoning

3617
02:18:54,679 --> 02:18:55,719
bylaw.

3618
02:18:55,719 --> 02:18:57,430
>> CBO Snyder.

3619
02:18:57,430 --> 02:18:57,440
» CBO Snyder.

3620
02:18:57,440 --> 02:18:58,920
What say you?

3621
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:01,070
>> Thank you and through you.

3622
02:19:01,070 --> 02:19:01,080
» Thank you and through you.

3623
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:01,639
Um

3624
02:19:01,639 --> 02:19:04,800
the concerns regarding the encroachment

3625
02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:08,200
over the apparent property line have

3626
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,160
been resolved uh by way of legal opinion

3627
02:19:11,160 --> 02:19:13,639
and survey confirmation that these two

3628
02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:18,240
parcels um forgive my terminology at

3629
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,480
time of patent

3630
02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:23,000
were not two separate parcels, but were

3631
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:25,920
is one parcel and has always been one

3632
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:28,120
parcel. Um

3633
02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:29,440
so

3634
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:32,519
that has satisfied my query and my

3635
02:19:32,519 --> 02:19:35,000
concern regarding uh potential

3636
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:37,240
encroachment over a property line

3637
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:37,840
um

3638
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:40,200
with regards to the shipping container

3639
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,000
structures requiring building permit and

3640
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:44,639
the potential for issuance of a building

3641
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:45,960
permit.

3642
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:48,750
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

3643
02:19:48,750 --> 02:19:48,760
» Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

3644
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:51,080
Um okay, any other questions on this?

3645
02:19:51,080 --> 02:19:52,960
I've read the resolution. I'll call the

3646
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:54,640
question. All in favor.

3647
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:59,270
That carries. Thank you.

3648
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:01,240
Next uh move by Councillor McIntyre

3649
02:20:01,240 --> 02:20:03,280
seconded by Councillor Bosworth be

3650
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,600
resolved the bylaw 2026-082

3651
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:08,440
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3652
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:10,440
2014-14

3653
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:13,080
bracket Aspen Wildlife Sanctuary roll

3654
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:15,640
numbers 1-1-013

3655
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:17,880
and 1-1-012

3656
02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:19,960
be ready third time and finally passed.

3657
02:20:19,960 --> 02:20:21,600
All in favor?

3658
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:29,350
It carries.

3659
02:20:29,360 --> 02:20:31,400
Okay, next one up move by Councillor

3660
02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:33,400
Nishikawa seconded by Councillor

3661
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:35,240
Edwards.

3662
02:20:35,240 --> 02:20:38,360
Be it resolved the bylaw 2026-083

3663
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:39,960
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3664
02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:41,520
2014-14

3665
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:44,200
bracket Herman Marshall and Grant

3666
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:47,960
Stipsits roll numbers 4-2-021

3667
02:20:47,960 --> 02:20:49,960
4-2-023

3668
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:52,040
and 4-2-024

3669
02:20:52,040 --> 02:20:55,040
be ready first and second time.

3670
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:56,400
All in favor?

3671
02:20:56,400 --> 02:21:00,350
It carries. Thank you.

3672
02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:02,680
Next one is moved by Councillor Mazan

3673
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:04,120
seconded by Councillor Kent be it

3674
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:07,200
resolved the bylaw 2026-083

3675
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:08,760
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3676
02:21:08,760 --> 02:21:10,800
2014-14

3677
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,040
bracket Herman Marshall and Grant

3678
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:18,520
Stipsits roll numbers 4-2-021 4-2-023

3679
02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:20,760
4-2-024

3680
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:22,640
be ready third time and finally passed.

3681
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:24,200
All in favor?

3682
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:29,430
It carries. Thank you.

3683
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:35,030
All righty then, next one up is

3684
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:36,720
All right, move by Councillor Zablocki

3685
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:38,320
seconded by Councillor Roberts be it

3686
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:41,720
resolved the bylaw 2026-085

3687
02:21:41,720 --> 02:21:44,840
and bylaw 2026-086

3688
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:46,760
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3689
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:48,920
2014-14

3690
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:51,280
bracket Royal Canadian Legion bracket

3691
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:55,240
Bella, roll number 7-10-050,

3692
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:57,400
be read a first and second time. Any

3693
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:00,000
questions? All in favor.

3694
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,320
That carries.

3695
02:22:02,320 --> 02:22:03,880
Thank you.

3696
02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:05,040
Move by Councillor Bozaninworth,

3697
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,120
seconded by Councillor Nishikawa. Be

3698
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:09,960
resolved that by-law 2026-085

3699
02:22:09,960 --> 02:22:12,880
and by-law 2026-086

3700
02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:14,480
to amend comprehensive zoning by-law

3701
02:22:14,480 --> 02:22:17,840
2014-14 bracket Royal Canadian Legion

3702
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:22,440
bracket Bella, roll number 7-10-050,

3703
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:25,120
be read third time and finally passed.

3704
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:26,480
Councillor Edwards, do you have a

3705
02:22:26,480 --> 02:22:28,760
question?

3706
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:30,030
>> Yes. Um

3707
02:22:30,030 --> 02:22:30,040
» Yes. Um

3708
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:32,040
we still have the the holding on that

3709
02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:33,760
until they resolve the parking. Is that

3710
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:34,840
right?

3711
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:35,190
>> Yeah.

3712
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:35,200
» Yeah.

3713
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:37,310
>> Okay, thank you.

3714
02:22:37,310 --> 02:22:37,320
» Okay, thank you.

3715
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:39,550
>> Okay, anything else? Then I'll call it

3716
02:22:39,550 --> 02:22:39,560
» Okay, anything else? Then I'll call it

3717
02:22:39,560 --> 02:22:41,800
all in in favor.

3718
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:48,310
Uh that carries. Thank you.

3719
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:50,880
All right, the next one up is uh Resort

3720
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:52,200
Village of Minett. Miss Crowder, were

3721
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:55,440
you going to speak to this, please?

3722
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:56,280
Okay, you have a question. I haven't

3723
02:22:56,280 --> 02:23:01,430
read it yet.

3724
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:03,840
» It There was an OPA

3725
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,960
on the list here. There's an OPA

3726
02:23:05,960 --> 02:23:09,000
67. That wasn't Was the OPA included in

3727
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:09,680
the by-laws?

3728
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:10,910
>> Sir, you know what? We've already passed

3729
02:23:10,910 --> 02:23:10,920
» Sir, you know what? We've already passed

3730
02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:11,480
this.

3731
02:23:11,480 --> 02:23:12,870
>> No, I know, but

3732
02:23:12,870 --> 02:23:12,880
» No, I know, but

3733
02:23:12,880 --> 02:23:14,520
We've passed the by-laws. I don't think

3734
02:23:14,520 --> 02:23:17,480
we passed the OPA.

3735
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:23,630
Is my point.

3736
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:33,110
The agenda has an OPA 67 on it.

3737
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:34,840
» All right.

3738
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:37,080
Miss Crowder's up.

3739
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:41,750
Do you want me to read this first?

3740
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:45,390
I'm on a rem- Yeah, Minett.

3741
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:46,600
Uh moved by Councillor MacIntyre,

3742
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:48,000
seconded by Councillor Zavits, be it

3743
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:51,480
resolved that bylaw 2026-087

3744
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:54,680
and OPA bylaw 2026-088

3745
02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:56,600
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

3746
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:59,040
2014-14

3747
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:01,760
bracket 266940

3748
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:09,120
Ontario Inc. and 2662665556

3749
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,560
Resort Village of Minett, roll number

3750
02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:13,440
4-14-058

3751
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:18,670
be read a first and second time.

3752
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:20,520
Do you just have questions or

3753
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:22,830
>> No, I through you, Chair, I do have an

3754
02:24:22,830 --> 02:24:22,840
» No, I through you, Chair, I do have an

3755
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:24,760
introduction and some items to speak to

3756
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:25,160
today.

3757
02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:25,670
>> Yeah, go ahead.

3758
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:25,680
» Yeah, go ahead.

3759
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:27,270
>> Um thank you.

3760
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:27,280
» Um thank you.

3761
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,240
So, thank you, Mayor Kelly and members

3762
02:24:29,240 --> 02:24:31,560
of Council. Good morning.

3763
02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:33,440
As Council will recall, Official Plan

3764
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:36,160
Amendment OPA 64 and Zoning Bylaw

3765
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,880
Amendment ZBA 22-23

3766
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were heard this month at Planning

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Committee on July 17th.

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Since this time, a bylaw has been

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drafted to implement the recommendations

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put forth by Planning Committee.

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This bylaw can be found on the

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supplementary Council agenda.

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This is a unique bylaw as it sets the

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standards for new zones such as Village

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Core, Resort Commercial 1 and 2,

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Residential 2, and Environmental

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Wetland.

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These zones align with the designations

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created through OPA 56.

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It is important to note that the general

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provisions of comprehensive zoning bylaw

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2014-14

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will still apply.

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This bylaw implements the holding

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provisions as presented to Council

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through the previous staff report.

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Further, this bylaw implements the

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recommendations Planning Committee made,

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including to permit development within

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the floodplain, permit development

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within the required front yard setback,

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permit a reduced vegetative buffer,

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permit the creation of an open water and

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shallow marsh wetland feature not

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exceeding 3 m in depth, and to amend the

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wording to require a 26 m right of way

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along Juddhaven Road.

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Following the committee meeting, staff

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have noted some items that were not

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directly circulated or analyzed that

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would be required to facilitate the

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proposal as shown in the drawings.

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Some of these well, these items include

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and Liz, if I could get you to share

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schedule three to the bylaw, please.

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And if you don't mind just zooming in a

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bit.

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So, the first item is to permit the

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proposed amphitheater to be located

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within the required front yard setback.

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This type of structure would be required

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to be located 66 ft from the high water

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mark and the proposal seeks to permit a

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setback of 16.7 ft.

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So, if you can zoom in

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um

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quite a bit.

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And the amphitheater is located

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it's circular and it's highlighted in

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yellow and it's located to the top of

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the screen here. The mouse is currently

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pointing to it. Um

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if everybody can see that okay, that's

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the structure we're talking about. So,

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um the bylaw is currently written to

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permit this structure in its extent and

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location. Um so, there's no further

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action needed, but staff did feel it

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warranted to present this to you and if

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council has any concerns with it, um

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that would need to be raised through a

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minor amendment today.

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The second item, Liz, if you could share

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um schedule four to the bylaw.

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Okay, and if you could zoom in, we are

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looking at the items highlighted in

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blue.

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So, the second item is to permit sport

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courts to be located within the required

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front yard setback as shown in the

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extent and location on this plan.

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Sport courts are required to be located

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200 ft from the high water mark. The

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proposal seeks to permit them as close

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as 127 ft from the high water mark in

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the extent and location as shown on this

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screen.

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This

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uh schedule has been incorporated into

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the draft bylaw before you today. So, if

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you approve as presented, that would be

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included. If um council has any concerns

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with this, a minor amendment would need

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to be passed today to remove that

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permission.

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The third item, if you could please

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share schedule 2A,

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is the extent and of land to be zoned

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village core, which is slightly larger

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than originally depicted within the

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submissions and the staff report. The

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full extent of the proposed zoning can

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be seen on as displayed on the screen.

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And in particular, if you don't mind

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zooming in a little bit, we are

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referring to the most northern part that

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is labeled as VC-H

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from C2-H.

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Um originally, that was located within

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an R2 zone. So, this is being expanded

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to be included within the village core

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zone.

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And staff don't have any concerns with

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that.

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And the last item,

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I shouldn't say the last, sorry, second

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last.

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Um

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is that the applicant has requested the

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permission be granted to permit patios

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to encroach within 2 m or 6.6 ft into

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any required yard.

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So, these setbacks um as been as

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proposed to be approved, um this

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permission would grant them to construct

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um patios within 6.6 ft of any permitted

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yard.

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So, these items have been included in

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the bylaw before council today. If

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council does not wish to permit these

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items, a minor amendment will need to be

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passed to remove them.

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And lastly, there is one more item that

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has been noted, which does require

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formal relief from council, which is the

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proposed driveways on site. So, if you

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could please share schedule three again.

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Thank you, Liz. So, if you don't mind

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zooming in,

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there are a few driveways that are

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proposed within the 66-ft required

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setback from the high water mark.

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The proposed driveways would be as close

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as 2.3 ft from the high water mark.

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If council wishes to permit the

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locations and extent of the driveways as

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shown on the schedule displayed on the

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screen,

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a minor amendment will need to be passed

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today to do so.

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Staff have prepared this minor amendment

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in advance in case council wishes to do

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that, but

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to permit the driveways so there's one

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that's shown on the very right-hand side

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of the drawing. It comes around the back

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of the wellness

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center area

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from Jed Haven Road to the front of the

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property where the docks are.

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That driveway requires relief. And then

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there is also small parts of a driveway

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that are located to the south of the

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western inlet that encroach within the

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66-ft required setback. So,

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if council wishes to pass that minor

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amendment today, we would label this

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schedule to stipulate the exact extent

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and location of those driveways to be

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permitted within 66 ft of the high water

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mark.

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I've no further comments, but I'm happy

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to answer any questions from committee.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you for that. Are [clears throat]

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» Thank you for that. Are [clears throat]

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there any questions from committee?

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Uh, counselor Nishikawa.

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>> Sort of just quickly, um, through you

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» Sort of just quickly, um, through you

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and I'm I'm not sure who can answer, but

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I I I just feel like there there should

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be some leeway, some give

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on a construction site. I'm not sure

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02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:51,230
how precise we're getting with

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some of these bylaws. I'm not

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» Uh

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» You.

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>> Okay. I don't have a question answer. I

3950
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» Okay. I don't have a question answer. I

3951
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:02,560
don't know if that was a question, but

3952
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:04,560
it doesn't matter. You do.

3953
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>> May I speak to it?

3954
02:32:05,230 --> 02:32:05,240
» May I speak to it?

3955
02:32:05,240 --> 02:32:06,030
>> Sure, thank you.

3956
02:32:06,030 --> 02:32:06,040
» Sure, thank you.

3957
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>> Through you, chair, um, to counselor

3958
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» Through you, chair, um, to counselor

3959
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Nishikawa, if, um, there is concern

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about the exact extent location, you can

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word the bylaw to say, for example,

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driveways shall be permitted in the

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general locations as shown. Um, so that

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02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:22,720
allows a little bit more wiggle room. We

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02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:24,840
typically include in the extent and

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02:32:24,840 --> 02:32:28,800
location shown to, um, permit a sense of

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security and if there was

3968
02:32:31,880 --> 02:32:38,230
a perceived, um,

3969
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I don't know if I have a word in mind,

3970
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but I don't want to use that word. Um,

3971
02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:43,080
if there

3972
02:32:43,080 --> 02:32:44,870
>> I think you can

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02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:44,880
» I think you can

3974
02:32:44,880 --> 02:32:46,800
you can go ahead. I I've used it.

3975
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:48,990
>> If there if there was a perceived abuse

3976
02:32:48,990 --> 02:32:49,000
» If there if there was a perceived abuse

3977
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:51,520
of a specific provision, um, the word

3978
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:53,480
general makes it very difficult for

3979
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:56,000
enforcement to occur. Um, not that we're

3980
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:57,560
expecting that to happen in this case,

3981
02:32:57,560 --> 02:32:59,920
but that's generally why we use the term

3982
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:02,560
the words extent and location as shown.

3983
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:04,080
It makes it very specific what the

3984
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:07,560
expectations are and that, um, works not

3985
02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:10,360
happen outside of that. But if council

3986
02:33:10,360 --> 02:33:12,760
is concerned that it's too restrictive,

3987
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:15,360
we can, um, amend to add words like

3988
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:18,310
generally.

3989
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:21,960
» Thank you. Uh, counselor Edwards.

3990
02:33:21,960 --> 02:33:24,510
>> Maybe you ask the agent if if they were

3991
02:33:24,510 --> 02:33:24,520
» Maybe you ask the agent if if they were

3992
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:26,440
uh concerned about uh the way it's

3993
02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:30,990
worded now.

3994
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:34,230
» Three, uh

3995
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:36,400
Who's going to ask who?

3996
02:33:36,400 --> 02:33:37,350
>> Ask the agent.

3997
02:33:37,350 --> 02:33:37,360
» Ask the agent.

3998
02:33:37,360 --> 02:33:38,790
>> You're you're asking him.

3999
02:33:38,790 --> 02:33:38,800
» You're you're asking him.

4000
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:40,550
>> No, I got So you were looking that way.

4001
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:40,560
» No, I got So you were looking that way.

4002
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:42,360
I thought you were asking somebody else.

4003
02:33:42,360 --> 02:33:46,910
Gord.

4004
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:47,400
» Well,

4005
02:33:47,400 --> 02:33:48,230
>> hear the question.

4006
02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:48,240
» hear the question.

4007
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:49,590
>> if it

4008
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» if it

4009
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the conditions as they are and that do

4010
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they agree with them.

4011
02:33:57,360 --> 02:33:58,640
» Through you, Chair.

4012
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:02,360
Um so we did discuss all of these um

4013
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:05,600
beforehand. So the agent um has taken a

4014
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,040
look at everything and they have said

4015
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,520
that they are on board. I see some

4016
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:10,280
nodding. So I think

4017
02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:14,030
>> Okay, that's one.

4018
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:16,600
» Okay, anybody else?

4019
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:18,080
Did I read this? I did read it.

4020
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:19,470
>> Yes, sorry. I need to pee.

4021
02:34:19,470 --> 02:34:19,480
» Yes, sorry. I need to pee.

4022
02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:21,430
>> We need them back. Okay.

4023
02:34:21,430 --> 02:34:21,440
» We need them back. Okay.

4024
02:34:21,440 --> 02:34:22,230
>> Two minutes.

4025
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:22,240
» Two minutes.

4026
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:23,670
>> You can have two minutes.

4027
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:23,680
» You can have two minutes.

4028
02:34:23,680 --> 02:35:15,190
There you go.

4029
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This resolution moved by Councillor

4030
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:19,280
McIntyre seconded by Councillor Zavitz

4031
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be resolved that bylaw 2026-087

4032
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to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

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2014-14

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bracket 2666940

4035
02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:33,840
Ontario Inc. and 2665556

4036
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:36,400
Ontario Inc. Resort Village of Minett

4037
02:35:36,400 --> 02:35:39,800
roll number 4-14-058

4038
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:42,120
be ready first and second time. Any

4039
02:35:42,120 --> 02:35:44,200
questions? All in favor?

4040
02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:48,990
That carries.

4041
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:51,120
I can read this one.

4042
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:52,760
Moved by Councillor Bosworth seconded by

4043
02:35:52,760 --> 02:35:54,360
Councillor Kent be it resolved the

4044
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:57,920
Township Council amend bylaw 2026-087

4045
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:00,600
bracket 2666940

4046
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:07,240
Ontario Inc. and 2665556

4047
02:36:07,240 --> 02:36:09,240
And this amendment is minor in nature

4048
02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:10,560
and is not required further public

4049
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:12,840
circulation and is hereby approved prior

4050
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:15,320
to third reading. The amendment shall

4051
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:17,160
consist of number one to permit a

4052
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:19,720
driveway to be located within 66 feet of

4053
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:21,600
the high water mark as shown in the

4054
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:24,640
locations and extends on schedule three

4055
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:27,640
to bylaw 2026-087

4056
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:30,360
and that schedule three be amended to

4057
02:36:30,360 --> 02:36:33,440
label these features. Questions? All in

4058
02:36:33,440 --> 02:36:34,440
favor?

4059
02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:40,150
That carries.

4060
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:42,720
It's one two.

4061
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:44,200
Moved by Councillor McIntyre seconded by

4062
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:45,800
Councillor Zavitz be it resolved that

4063
02:36:45,800 --> 02:36:48,280
bylaw 2026-087

4064
02:36:48,280 --> 02:36:49,920
to amend comprehensive zoning bylaw

4065
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:51,480
2014-14

4066
02:36:51,480 --> 02:36:54,040
bracket 2666940

4067
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:57,960
Ontario Inc. and 2665556

4068
02:36:57,960 --> 02:37:00,880
5556 actually Ontario Inc. Resort

4069
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:04,840
Village of Minett roll number 4-14-058

4070
02:37:04,840 --> 02:37:06,960
be ready first and second time. All in

4071
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:08,160
favor?

4072
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:14,590
That carries.

4073
02:37:14,600 --> 02:37:16,320
Next one up, moved by Councillor

4074
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:18,120
McIntyre, seconded by Councillor Zavitz.

4075
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:22,520
Be it resolved that OPA bylaw 2026-088

4076
02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:25,240
(2666940

4077
02:37:25,240 --> 02:37:27,800
Ontario Inc.

4078
02:37:27,800 --> 02:37:30,960
and 2665556

4079
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:33,840
Ontario Inc. (Resort Village of Minett)

4080
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:36,640
roll number 4-14-058

4081
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:39,080
be read first and second time.

4082
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:40,480
All in favor?

4083
02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:43,510
It carries.

4084
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:45,600
And finally, moved by Councillor

4085
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:48,680
Bozeman, seconded by Councillor Kent.

4086
02:37:48,680 --> 02:37:51,080
Be it resolved that OPA bylaw

4087
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:52,920
2026-088

4088
02:37:52,920 --> 02:37:55,760
(2666940

4089
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:59,560
Ontario Inc. and 2665556

4090
02:37:59,560 --> 02:38:01,920
Ontario Inc. Resort Village of Minett)

4091
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:04,560
roll number 4-14-058

4092
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:06,760
be read third time and finally passed.

4093
02:38:06,760 --> 02:38:08,120
All in favor?

4094
02:38:08,120 --> 02:38:13,110
It carries. Thank you.

4095
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:15,120
Can you ask one question?

4096
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,160
Oh, yeah, sorry.

4097
02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:19,880
Uh Director uh

4098
02:38:19,880 --> 02:38:22,160
Bessareras, you are going to answer

4099
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:23,920
Rob's question from a few minutes ago.

4100
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:25,550
>> Thank you. You had a question uh about

4101
02:38:25,550 --> 02:38:25,560
» Thank you. You had a question uh about

4102
02:38:25,560 --> 02:38:28,920
the OPA from uh the Bala region.

4103
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:29,510
>> Yes.

4104
02:38:29,510 --> 02:38:29,520
» Yes.

4105
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:31,630
>> Okay. So, we had combined them on that

4106
02:38:31,630 --> 02:38:31,640
» Okay. So, we had combined them on that

4107
02:38:31,640 --> 02:38:32,840
resolution because there was no minor

4108
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:34,480
amendment. So, the first bylaw was for

4109
02:38:34,480 --> 02:38:36,880
the zoning, the second bylaw was for the

4110
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:38,960
OPA, but it was all in one resolution.

4111
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:42,470
>> All right, thank you.

4112
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:43,920
All right.

4113
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:47,160
What we got next? Thank you.

4114
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:48,840
Moved by Councillor Kent, seconded by

4115
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:51,000
Councillor Edwards. Be it resolved that

4116
02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:52,960
bylaw 2026-089

4117
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:54,880
a bylaw to establish and appoint a

4118
02:38:54,880 --> 02:38:57,760
Muskoka Compliance Audit Committee be

4119
02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:00,000
given three readings and finally passed.

4120
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:01,640
All in favor?

4121
02:39:01,640 --> 02:39:06,750
It carried.

4122
02:39:06,760 --> 02:39:08,720
Next one, moved by Councillor seconded

4123
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:10,560
by Councillor Zablocki, be it resolved

4124
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:13,000
that by-law 2026-090,

4125
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:15,000
being a by-law to appoint a drainage

4126
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:16,680
superintendent for the Corporation of

4127
02:39:16,680 --> 02:39:18,760
the Township of Muskoka Lakes, be read

4128
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:20,320
first, second, and third time and

4129
02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:23,040
finally passed. All in favor?

4130
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:27,190
That carries, thank you.

4131
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:28,600
Thank you.

4132
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:30,080
Moved by Councillor Roberts, seconded by

4133
02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:32,240
Councillor McIntyre, be it resolved that

4134
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:34,840
by-law 2026-091,

4135
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:38,320
being a by-law to amend by-law 2022-043,

4136
02:39:38,320 --> 02:39:40,440
a by-law to regulate and control parking

4137
02:39:40,440 --> 02:39:42,160
in the Township in the Corporation of

4138
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:44,240
the Township of Muskoka Lakes, be read

4139
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:45,720
first, second, and third time and

4140
02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:48,120
finally passed. All in favor?

4141
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:53,950
That carries.

4142
02:39:53,960 --> 02:39:56,200
Um okay.

4143
02:39:56,200 --> 02:39:57,320
Do you want me to read the resolution

4144
02:39:57,320 --> 02:39:59,280
first, or you want

4145
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:00,960
Okay, read the resolution first. Moved

4146
02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:02,960
by Councillor Edwards, seconded by

4147
02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:04,880
Councillor Bosworth, be it resolved that

4148
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:08,910
by-law 2026-092,

4149
02:40:08,920 --> 02:40:12,760
being a by-law to amend by-law 2025-136,

4150
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:14,680
a by-law to establish and require

4151
02:40:14,680 --> 02:40:16,760
payment of various fees and charges for

4152
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:19,600
information, services, activities, and

4153
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:22,040
use of Township property, be read first,

4154
02:40:22,040 --> 02:40:24,400
second, and third time and finally

4155
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:25,640
passed.

4156
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:27,720
And Director Best-Serarus, you have

4157
02:40:27,720 --> 02:40:30,240
something to add to that.

4158
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:32,110
>> Thank you. I just wanted to note a typo

4159
02:40:32,110 --> 02:40:32,120
» Thank you. I just wanted to note a typo

4160
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:34,360
in the by-law. It says schedule A for

4161
02:40:34,360 --> 02:40:36,240
schedule E and schedule E for schedule

4162
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:38,680
A. Uh staff will um

4163
02:40:38,680 --> 02:40:40,800
fix it so that it's A for A and E for E

4164
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:42,960
in the final by-law if there are no um

4165
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:44,280
issues with that.

4166
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:45,510
>> Any issues? Does anybody have a comment

4167
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:45,520
» Any issues? Does anybody have a comment

4168
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:47,040
or question on that one?

4169
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:48,720
Then I'll call the um

4170
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:50,760
I'll call the vote. All in favor?

4171
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:56,510
That carries, thank you.

4172
02:40:56,520 --> 02:40:58,840
All right.

4173
02:40:58,840 --> 02:41:01,080
Oh, Ms. Crowder, welcome back.

4174
02:41:01,080 --> 02:41:02,190
>> Thank you.

4175
02:41:02,190 --> 02:41:02,200
» Thank you.

4176
02:41:02,200 --> 02:41:04,760
Um through you, Chair, the next item is

4177
02:41:04,760 --> 02:41:07,160
a site plan control bylaw for the Aspen

4178
02:41:07,160 --> 02:41:10,160
Valley Wildlife Sanctuary. And um

4179
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:13,840
unfortunately, it has been prepared um

4180
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:15,800
there's an error in it contrary to the

4181
02:41:15,800 --> 02:41:17,360
resolution that was passed by planning

4182
02:41:17,360 --> 02:41:20,320
committee um this month. So, we would

4183
02:41:20,320 --> 02:41:23,320
like to pull the item and have it go to

4184
02:41:23,320 --> 02:41:25,800
the subsequent council meeting for um

4185
02:41:25,800 --> 02:41:28,320
reading. The agent and applicant are

4186
02:41:28,320 --> 02:41:31,920
aware um of the situation and were okay

4187
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:35,880
with that before they left. Um so,

4188
02:41:35,880 --> 02:41:37,480
thank you.

4189
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:38,750
>> Thank you very much. Do we need a

4190
02:41:38,750 --> 02:41:38,760
» Thank you very much. Do we need a

4191
02:41:38,760 --> 02:41:40,040
resolution to

4192
02:41:40,040 --> 02:41:40,390
>> Pull it?

4193
02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:40,400
» Pull it?

4194
02:41:40,400 --> 02:41:40,870
>> Yeah.

4195
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:40,880
» Yeah.

4196
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:43,470
>> Okay.

4197
02:41:43,480 --> 02:41:46,000
Uh moved by Councillor Nishikawa. So,

4198
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:48,120
thank you for that um Ms. Crowder.

4199
02:41:48,120 --> 02:41:49,560
Seconded by Councillor Mazanec. Be it

4200
02:41:49,560 --> 02:41:52,960
resolved that bylaw 2026-084

4201
02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:55,360
to designate site plan control lot 59

4202
02:41:55,360 --> 02:41:57,240
and lot 60, concessions A and B,

4203
02:41:57,240 --> 02:42:00,680
Cardwell, Aspen Valley Sanctuary, roll

4204
02:42:00,680 --> 02:42:03,080
numbers 1-1-013

4205
02:42:03,080 --> 02:42:05,720
and 1-1-012

4206
02:42:05,720 --> 02:42:07,440
be postponed to the September council

4207
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:10,160
meeting. All in favor?

4208
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:17,390
Thank you. That carries.

4209
02:42:17,400 --> 02:42:18,840
Oh my goodness.

4210
02:42:18,840 --> 02:42:20,600
Moved by Councillor Kent.

4211
02:42:20,600 --> 02:42:23,120
Seconded by Councillor Roberts. Be it

4212
02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:25,360
resolved that special council in closed

4213
02:42:25,360 --> 02:42:28,080
session convene at

4214
02:42:28,080 --> 02:42:30,600
11:40

4215
02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:32,320
a.m.

4216
02:42:32,320 --> 02:42:35,920
Uh for the following. Um A, exemption is

4217
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:37,400
litigation or potential litigation

4218
02:42:37,400 --> 02:42:38,960
including matters before an

4219
02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:41,040
administrative tribunals,

4220
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:43,480
uh section 292 sub 2 sub E of the

4221
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:45,720
Municipal Act 2001,

4222
02:42:45,720 --> 02:42:47,400
and the exemption there is advice that

4223
02:42:47,400 --> 02:42:49,560
is subject to solicitor-client privilege

4224
02:42:49,560 --> 02:42:51,360
including communications necessary for

4225
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:54,120
that purpose under section 239 sub 2 sub

4226
02:42:54,120 --> 02:42:56,960
F of the Municipal Act 2001, and that's

4227
02:42:56,960 --> 02:42:58,400
detailed in confidential report

4228
02:42:58,400 --> 02:43:01,670
CCS-2026-31.

4229
02:43:01,680 --> 02:43:03,280
Second exemption is personal matters

4230
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:05,600
about an identifiable individual

4231
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:07,520
including municipal or local board

4232
02:43:07,520 --> 02:43:10,360
employees. That's under section 239 sub

4233
02:43:10,360 --> 02:43:14,280
2 sub B of the Municipal Act 2001.

4234
02:43:14,280 --> 02:43:16,120
And it's detailed in confidential report

4235
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:19,950
CCS-2026-030.

4236
02:43:19,960 --> 02:43:21,480
And the third one is

4237
02:43:21,480 --> 02:43:23,680
an exemption is a trade secret or

4238
02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:25,800
scientific technical commercial

4239
02:43:25,800 --> 02:43:28,600
financial or labor relations information

4240
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:30,880
supplied in confidence

4241
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:33,400
to the municipality or local board which

4242
02:43:33,400 --> 02:43:34,880
if disclosed could reasonably be

4243
02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:38,000
expected to prejudice significantly the

4244
02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:39,520
competitive position or interfere

4245
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:41,800
significantly with the contractual or

4246
02:43:41,800 --> 02:43:44,560
other negotiations of a person group of

4247
02:43:44,560 --> 02:43:47,160
persons or organization and that falls

4248
02:43:47,160 --> 02:43:49,960
under section 239 sub 2 sub I of the

4249
02:43:49,960 --> 02:43:52,880
Municipal Act 2001 and it's going to be

4250
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:56,640
a confidential verbal report.

4251
02:43:56,640 --> 02:43:58,600
So, we're going to move into Oh, I guess

4252
02:43:58,600 --> 02:44:00,400
we need to call that, don't I?

4253
02:44:00,400 --> 02:44:01,720
Um all right, we've heard it all in

4254
02:44:01,720 --> 02:44:02,800
favor.

4255
02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:04,480
We're going into closed to take a few

4256
02:44:04,480 --> 02:44:07,680
minutes to get people