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All right, good morning everyone. This

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the Wednesday, August 5th, 2026

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regular meeting of the Nags Head Board

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of Commissioners is hereby called to

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order. If you will, please join me in a

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few moments of silence.

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Now, if you'll stand as you're able and

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join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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» [clears throat]

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Um before we begin, I'd like to

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recognize uh former Mayor Bob Muller's

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here with us today. Welcome, Bob. Always

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glad to see you.

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Um

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the next item on our agenda is the

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adoption of the agenda and note um

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the retirement recognition of David

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Perry has been moved to the September

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2nd meeting and a motion would be in

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order.

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>> So moved.

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>> I have a motion, is there a second? I

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have a motion and a second. All those in

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favor signify by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> Opposed? Thank you.

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Uh that brings us to recognitions and

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we'll start with Kelly.

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» Good morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

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I'm pleased to introduce our new Chief

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Building Inspector, Rick Gotchy.

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Rick brings 12 years of building

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inspection experience, all with

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Currituck County, as well as 2 and 1/2

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years experience with a local home

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builder, BC Custom Builders. He holds

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level three certifications in building,

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electrical, mechanical, plumbing, and

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fire, um and he is also a certified

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flood plain administrator and a licensed

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commercial drone operator,

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which is exciting. Um Rick lives in Dare

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County with his wife, Michelle. Um they

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have two daughters, Caitlin and Madison.

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Caitlin and Madison grew up and attended

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Dare County schools, and they now live

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in Marietta, Georgia and Orange,

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California. Um outside of work, Rick

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enjoys traveling, college football, and

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music. Uh we're very fortunate to have

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someone with Rick's experience and

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qualifications join our team. Um we're

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glad you're here and we hope you stay

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here uh for quite a bit and you're up

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here again for your 5- and 10-year.

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Thank you so much. [laughter]

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I appreciate you.

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>> [applause]

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» Welcome.

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>> Thank you.

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» Glad to have you.

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» Next with a um new employee is Amy

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Miller.

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» Good morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

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Um please help me in welcoming Jessica

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Gallop as our new tax collector. Um

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she's been working with Jackie, who was

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our also our tax collector right now as

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Steve is here, he's retiring. Um so

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she's going to be moving on, but we're

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actually very grateful for the notice

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that Jackie gave us um because we're

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able to time this with the tax bills

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going out. We actually received the tax

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scroll this week, um and so it's really

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good timing. Um,

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we've also asked Becky, who is the tax

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collector of Dare County, to come work

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with us. So, we've really been um, it's

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really good timing and we feel very

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fortunate. Um, obviously we work hand in

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hand with Dare County, so this is just

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like really a good start um, to her

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career at at Nags Head. Um,

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addition In addition to her great

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attitude and strong work ethic, um,

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great references

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uh, when we reached out. Um, she has

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really the perfect background to be the

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tax collector here. Um, she worked in

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Camden County

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tax department as a tax specialist for

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14 years um, and she is certified as a

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personal property appraiser from the

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North Carolina Department of Revenue.

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Um, she primarily worked with personal

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property at Camden County. Um, but you

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know, we collect personal property and

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real property here and the personal

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property statutes fall under the

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umbrella of the real property statutes,

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so it's it's just really a great fit.

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So, she has a really strong background

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um, and knowledge in tax collection. So,

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it's going to be a really smooth

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transition. And yes, she is aware of the

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high expectations we have with our

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high tax collection rate. That's always,

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you know, put that on the table first

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and foremost. So, she's ready for the

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challenge and she's going to be a

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welcome addition to the team. We're

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really fortunate to have somebody so

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qualified to be able to step in in this

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position in this timing where it's

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really critical to learn how to do this

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when we're sending out the tax bills

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now. Um, so I know that she's going to

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help set the town up for success in the

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future. Um, we're glad to have you. I'm

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sorry to throw you in the fire, and but

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welcome to the team.

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>> [laughter]

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» Welcome.

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>> Thanks, thanks for having

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just checking

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instead of being able to do

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» That brings us next to a recognition for

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years of service and Chief Hale.

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» Good morning Mr. Mayor and

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Commissioners.

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It's my [clears throat] pleasure to come

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before you today to recognize Sergeant

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J.C. Mitchell

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for his 10 years of service with the

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town.

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J.C. began his career in Kiddie Hills

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and joined our agency in 2016 as a

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patrol officer.

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In early 2018, Mitchell expanded his

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patrol duties and became a K9 handler

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with the agency and was partnered with

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K9 Amy who recently retired in 2024 and

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now lives as a family member within the

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Mitchell household.

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Mitchell was promoted to sergeant in

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2024 in March and has become a great

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leader within our department.

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In the small time frame of just 2 years.

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He's one of the agency's general

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instructors and oversees the agency's

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Governor's Highway Safety program.

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In his free time, J.C. loves to spend

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time with his wife Ashley, his three

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children, and three dogs that live with

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him.

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Congratulations J.C. on your 10 years

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and we look forward to many more.

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» And the Chief and Sergeant Mitchell are

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going to stay there for another

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presentation.

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>> Absolutely.

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We'd like to take a moment to honor

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Sergeant Mitchell for receiving a very

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significant statewide honor.

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Sergeant Mitchell was named the 2025 DWI

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per capital enforcer of the year by the

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Mothers Against Drunk Driving of North

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Carolina.

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Mothers Against Drunk Driving, better

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known as MADD, was founded in 1980 after

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a 13-year-old girl was killed by an

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impaired driver.

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Since that time, MADD has grown into the

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nation's nation's largest nonprofit

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organization dedicated to ending drunk

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and drug impaired driving, supporting

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victims, and preventing underage

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drinking.

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Each [snorts] year, MADD North Carolina

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recognizes law enforcement officers from

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across the state who demonstrate an

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exceptional commitment to impaired

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driving enforcement.

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This is not simply a departmental or

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regional award. It is a statewide award

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of excellence. This year's event was

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held in Selma at the end of April with

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eight officers from across the country

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attending for a

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uh meal,

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presentation from the leaders of MADD,

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um

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and recognition from several senators

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um throughout the state, um

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commissioners, um

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I was unable to attend. I hated that

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with JC. Um we had uh

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an event going on at the end of April

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that I needed to be here for. Um

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but it was an honor for JC to be able to attend and recognize

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for his efforts and to be a part of our

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agency just goes above and beyond for

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what he does.

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Sergeant Mitchell

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>> earned this award after making 35

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arrests during the 2025 year. This means

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that 35 suspected impaired drivers were

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removed from our roadways before they

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could potentially injure or kill

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someone.

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To take it in perspective, there are

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roughly 22,000 sworn law enforcement

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officers serving throughout North

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Carolina.

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For an officer from the Nag's Head

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Police Department to be selected and

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recognized is a tremendous

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accomplishment and something our entire

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community should be proud of.

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The award reflects the efforts of

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Sergeant Mitchell puts into his job

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every day.

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He is an extremely hard worker,

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a solid leader, and someone who

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consistently brings a positive attitude

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to work. That attitude is contagious and

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has a positive effect on the officers

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around him and those especially that he

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supervises. We're very proud of Sergeant

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Mitchell and grateful for his dedication

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to the department and to the safety of

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our community. Please join me in

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congratulating him on his prestigious

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and well-deserved statewide recognition.

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» Congratulations.

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Sergeant.

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» Well done.

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>> Well deserved. Thank you.

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» We had some pictures in there. I don't

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know if we've got a little bit of a

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technical difficulty. Did it come up?

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And we're asking Sergeant Mitchell to

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stick around for a few minutes, if you

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will, for photograph a little bit.

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Thank you. Um Nags Head's

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very fortunate to have a number of

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officers who are recognized um

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and who are specialists uh regionally or

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in the state, and uh we really

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appreciate their their above and beyond

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level of service.

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Uh the next item on our agenda is a

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recognition for 25 years of service.

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Andy and Roberta.

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» Can you come up to the podium?

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>> All right. Well,

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make this short and sweet. Got front and

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back today.

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little did we know that on June 25th,

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2001, would turn turn out to be a

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historic day for the town of Nags Head.

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I know I'm being a little grandiose

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here.

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It was the day that Roberta Thuman

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walked through our doors for the first

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time and gave us her talent, her energy,

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and her heart.

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Roberta was hired by Town Manager Webb

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Fuller originally as an executive

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assistant, but anyone who has worked

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with Roberta knows she didn't stay in

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that box for long. Over the next 25

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years, she grew into that role. She grew

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that role into something the town

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couldn't function without, our public

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information officer and quite simply the

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face of Nags Head. Think about what the

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world looked like in 2001.

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Back then, only half of American

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households had internet access at home.

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Today, the number is around 93%.

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Facebook didn't yet exist. It wouldn't

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launch until 2004. Twitter came along in

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2006, and Instagram didn't arrive until

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2010. Roberta start When she started

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here, our website was little more than a

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digital bulletin board, the most basic

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tool we had for getting information out

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to the public. Roberta didn't just adapt

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to that change, she led us through it.

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In 2018, she spearheaded a complete

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transformation of the town's website, a

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full modernization that gave our

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residents and visitors a genuinely

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better way to engage with their local

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government and find the information they

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need. And she didn't stop at the

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website. Today, the town's Facebook page

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has grown to 48,000 followers and nearly

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9 9,500 posts. I'm sure you did all of

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those.

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Our Instagram following stands at over

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10,000, and for some perspective, that's

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more Facebook followers than some of our

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neighbors Dare County 14,000

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and Kitty Hawk 30,000. [laughter]

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That kind of reach doesn't happen by

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accident. It happens because one person

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understood that showing up where people

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actually are is how you truly serve a

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community.

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But Roberta's impact goes much deeper

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than this. She had many passion projects

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throughout her career that had a major

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impact on the town.

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Anybody who's worked alongside her on

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beach nourishment, they'll tell you that

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Roberta has an absolute been an

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absolutely vital part of that effort.

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She's procured more easements than she

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probably ever cares to remember,

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quietly, patiently doing the unglamorous

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work that makes the massive project

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successful.

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Her impact goes well beyond easement

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acquisition. She can talk dredge

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operations, project templates,

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surveying, dune management, and even her

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favorite word, equilibration.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Right alongside our engineers and

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project team. She understood that this

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deeper understanding of of the project

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is necessary to really communicate to

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our community.

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Uh this is the probably communications

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is the single most important aspect of

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this project, especially when you're

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dealing with it in the summertime. And

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she's done four of these now.

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Roberta has also been the storyteller of

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Nags Head's history. She has produced

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the vast majority of her government

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access videos, keeping residents

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informed about town services and

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projects. And beyond that, she's created

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many documentaries

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that capture pieces of who we are. Most

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notably, her documentary on the Ash

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Wednesday storm and the history of Nags

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Head Ocean Rescue. Both of those films

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premiered at Jennette's Pier, and both

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times the house was packed. That tells

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you something.

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People don't just show up in numbers for

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just anyone. They show up because they trust the person telling the story,

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and because Roberta has spent 25 years

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earning that trust, one resident, one

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relationship at a time.

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And that might be the thing that stands

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out most about Roberta. Yes, she's

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mastered the technology. She's grown our

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digital present presence beyond what any

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of us probably imagined back in 2001.

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But underneath that all is something

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simpler, a warm presence, genuine care

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for people. Roberta has built

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friendships here that will last a

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lifetime, professional relationships

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across the region built on respect and

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trust. She is in every sense of the

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phrase the face of the town, not because

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of the title, but because of the way she

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has shown up for Nags Head that single

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day for 25 years. Roberta, on behalf of

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the entire town of Nag's Head, thank you

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for your dedication, your creativity,

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your patience with easements and

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equilibration,

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and for the countless ways, seen and

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unseen, you have shaped this town and

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how and tell its story.

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Here's to 25 remarkable years, and

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hopefully there's more still ahead, but

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probably not.

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>> [laughter]

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[applause]

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» Roberta?

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>> I know I made sure Roberta arranged for

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somebody to take pictures.

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>> [laughter]

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» I got to do it now.

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Would you like to say something?

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>> Uh actually,

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I'm really, really honored to work for

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this town

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since 2001, and it's it's so much fun.

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>> Glad it's fun.

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So, we have a certificate of

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appreciation for Roberta, which I will

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read in part.

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Throughout your career as public

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information officer, you have

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demonstrated exceptional

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professionalism, creativity, leadership,

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and communicating vital information for

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promoting town initiatives, fostering

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strong relationships between the town

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and its residents, visitors, and

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stakeholders.

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Nag's Head Board of Commissioners

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applauds the positive impact you have

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made on the town, your dedication,

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expertise, and unwavering commitment to

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public service, and Nag's Head Board of

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Commissioners and are deeply

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appreciative.

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» Thank you all for allowing me to come

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here.

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» And sadly, we have a retirement this

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morning.

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Kelly.

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>> Thank you. Before I begin, I want to

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make sure that this is working.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you so much, um, mayor, members of

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the board, and everyone here today.

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Um, it's my honor and, uh, also very

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bittersweet to recognize Steve Symanski

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on his retirement with the town of Nags

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Head.

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Steve began working for the town on

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January 3rd, 2013.

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And during his more than 13 years with

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us, he has served as a building

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inspector, our chief building inspector,

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and our floodplain administrator.

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Those are positions that carry a

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tremendous amount of responsibility.

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The work is technical, demanding, and

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not always appreciated. Um, particularly

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when your job requires you to tell

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someone something they do not want to

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hear.

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But Steve has always done his job

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exceptionally well.

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Back in 2022,

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I nominated Steve for employee of the

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year.

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In that nomination, I described him as

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punctual, accountable, dedicated,

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dependable, efficient, consistent,

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approachable, responsive, and adaptable.

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Um a lot of adjectives, but Steve earned

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every single one of them.

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At the time, Steve's supervisor said

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that Steve knew the North Carolina

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building code better than any inspector

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he had ever worked with. And that his

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knowledge was second to none.

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In the years since, Steve has become the

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person that the rest of us has relied

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upon for that knowledge.

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If someone had a question about building

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code, flood plain regulations, or just

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how how to handle a difficult situation

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within the town, Steve was the person

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that we went to.

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One of Steve's colleagues described him

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as steadfast and dependable,

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a true to his word friend.

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They spoke of his extensive knowledge,

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unwavering work ethic, fairness,

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trustworthiness, and his no-nonsense,

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get-it-done

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attitude. And that describes Steve

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perfectly.

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Steve's integrity was every bit as

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important as his knowledge.

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He administered the codes fairly and

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consistently, regardless of who was

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asking. It didn't matter if you were a

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first-time homeowner,

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a long-time contractor, a prominent

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property owner, or even a member of this

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Steve held everyone to the same

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standard.

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He didn't bend the rules based on

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someone's name, title, or influence.

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He treated people with respect and

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equity, and he took seriously his

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responsibility to protect the safety and

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welfare of all the people who live and

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work, and play,

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within the town of Nags Head.

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Steve was also incredibly dependable. He

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arrived early, ready to take the first

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phone call,

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or help the first person that walked

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through the door, often

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before some of us, myself included, um

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ever made it out of the house to come to

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work.

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>> [laughter]

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» If Steve told you he would take care of

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something, you knew that that would be

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taken care of.

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You rarely needed to follow up with

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Steve because Steve was always following

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[clears throat] through.

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Now, um

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in that 2022 nomination, I also wrote,

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and I want to be honest, that uh

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Steve was likely not the employee that

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you um went to if you wanted to leave

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feeling warm and fuzzy inside.

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>> [laughter]

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>> I don't know. Some of you might remember

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that from 2022, but I probably undersold

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him a little bit. Um

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he's uh he's behind being the very

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direct building inspector

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um who

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uh will often tell you to stay in your

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lane sometimes.

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Um he's incredibly thoughtful and

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caring.

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Steve began many mornings by sharing a

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beautiful sunrise photograph.

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Uh one coworker told me that she will

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miss those photographs so much

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and that her inbox is probably over its

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size limit. Sorry, Karen.

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Uh because she's kept so many of Steve's

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emails over the years.

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Um I think that says a lot. Steve didn't

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just notice the beautiful moments, but

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he took the time to share them

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um with everyone and the people he cared

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about.

560
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,520
Um

561
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,280
if we were especially lucky, uh Steve

562
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,520
arrived with something he had baked.

563
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,680
Cookies,

564
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,880
cakes, pies, some other sweet treat

565
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,280
would mysteriously appear in the office,

566
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,720
and no one ever had the willpower um to

567
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,120
not dive in immediately.

568
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,600
We are certainly going to miss Steve's

569
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,520
knowledge and his dependability, but it

570
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,520
would be dishonest if we said that we

571
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,560
weren't going to miss all the baked

572
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,725
goods as well.

573
00:22:43,725 --> 00:22:45,120
>> [laughter]

574
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,960
>> Another member of our team shared that

575
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,480
Steve was always eager to answer

576
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,480
questions and generously share his

577
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,600
knowledge of building regulations and

578
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,320
the code.

579
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,600
They said they would miss working with

580
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,320
him, miss those delicious treats, and

581
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,000
hope retirement would allow him to kick

582
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,400
up his feet, go fishing, and do whatever

583
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,920
he wants with his time.

584
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,480
And then they offered that what might be

585
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,160
the best uh retirement tribute that

586
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,200
anyone could give Steve, quote, "I can't

587
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,786
believe I'm saying this, but go Birds."

588
00:23:17,786 --> 00:23:20,230
>> [laughter]

589
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,360
» Um

590
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,040
when Steve first told me he was ready to

591
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,440
retire,

592
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,760
I'll admit that it was hard for me to

593
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240
process. Selfishly, I wasn't ready to

594
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,960
lose him.

595
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,400
Not because of everything he brings to

596
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,480
our department, but because of how much

597
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,640
he means to all of us.

598
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,800
But then

599
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,200
I thought about

600
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,590
pictures like this.

601
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,710
Steve sent this to me about a year ago.

602
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,160
Steve's dad lives in Delaware,

603
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760
about 5 hours away,

604
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,880
and his dad loves playing hot shots at

605
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,440
the VFW on Thursday nights.

606
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,640
So, every other week, Steve makes that

607
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,070
drive and takes his dad to the VFW.

608
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,920
Knowing that retirement means Steve will

609
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,560
have more time for nights like this,

610
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,600
more time with his dad, makes losing him

611
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,880
to retirement a whole lot easier.

612
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Because as much as we will miss having

613
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,400
Steve here with us every day, this is

614
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,360
exactly where he deserves to be.

615
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,960
Steve, thank you for your knowledge,

616
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600
your integrity, your loyalty, your

617
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,040
consistency, and your friendship.

618
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,600
Thank you for always being there when we

619
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,880
needed you, for holding all of us to the

620
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,560
same standard, and for leaving this

621
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,240
department and the town better than you

622
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,840
found them.

623
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,400
We hope retirement brings you many more

624
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,400
trips to Delaware,

625
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,760
many more Thursday nights at the VFW,

626
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,680
plenty of time to fish, and the freedom

627
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,480
to spend your days doing exactly what

628
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,960
you want to do. You have certainly

629
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,337
earned it. We are going to miss you.

630
00:24:57,347 --> 00:25:21,510
» [applause]

631
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,760
» And I'm going to ask the board to come

632
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,000
around and Steve to stay up for

633
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:32,710
presentation.

634
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,390
Go Burns.

635
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,440
» There's a small financial token.

636
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,577
>> Cash money in the envelope.

637
00:25:40,577 --> 00:25:42,280
>> [laughter]

638
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,280
>> And a plaque which reads as

639
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,120
To Steve Mansfield, a volunteer

640
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,440
firefighter, with greatful appreciation

641
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,400
for his well

642
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,600
and service 2013.

643
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,160
That's awesome.

644
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,670
Thank you, Steve.

645
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Appreciate it.

646
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,040
>> Okay.

647
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,320
>> Just enjoy it.

648
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960
>> I'll wear it.

649
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,760
>> Yes.

650
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,520
>> Mayor, do you want to say a few words?

651
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,560
>> Oh, yes, I do. I'm sorry, Steve. Please.

652
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,320
>> Don't forget.

653
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,720
>> JC, we've got with your award, please.

654
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,950
>> Sure thing.

655
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,750
» Yeah, sure I can.

656
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:30,030
» Is there a way

657
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,880
» Oh.

658
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,120
Okay, hold on a sec.

659
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:33,960
>> Okay, then.

660
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,840
>> Turn it around.

661
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,598
>> Okay, then.

662
00:26:35,598 --> 00:26:35,880
>> [laughter]

663
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:43,430
>> I have no idea.

664
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,360
» All right.

665
00:26:44,360 --> 00:27:02,070
>> Thank you.

666
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:13,430
» It's a tear jerker.

667
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,470
Right.

668
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Okay with me.

669
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:19,960
>> I don't know.

670
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,240
>> How about you?

671
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,560
>> I don't know.

672
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,360
>> How about you?

673
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:27,640
>> You know I think that that set of recognitions

674
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040
represents to the degree to which Nags

675
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Head is really also a family. Uh

676
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,520
you know, people who really respect each

677
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,360
other and and enjoy working with one

678
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,760
another and it's uh it's a it's one of

679
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,840
the great things about our town and as

680
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
we as we see employees come and go, it's

681
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,880
uh it's pretty awesome.

682
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840
>> That brings us next to public comment,

683
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,160
Mr. Leiby.

684
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,720
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. At this time uh

685
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,080
the Board of Commissioners welcomes

686
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,240
members of the public to comment to the

687
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760
board on matters of interest or concern.

688
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,600
Uh it's not an opportunity for dialogue

689
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,720
and the board rarely responds, but for

690
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,520
anyone who wishes to address the board

691
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,640
on matters that you're interested in, if

692
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,560
you will please uh go to the podium,

693
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560
start by telling us your name

694
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,840
uh and where you live and then I will

695
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,920
let you know when your time is almost

696
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960
up. Also, we do have one public hearing

697
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,720
on the agenda for today. If you were

698
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,520
here to provide comment for that

699
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,960
hearing, you should reserve your

700
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,360
comments until that public hearing is

701
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,080
called. But for anyone else, if you wish

702
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,120
to provide comment to the board,

703
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:30,110
this is your opportunity.

704
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,710
Anyone?

705
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,960
Mr. Mayor, seeing no takers, I think we

706
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,440
should conclude public comment.

707
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520
>> Right. Very good. Thank you, sir. Uh

708
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,320
that brings us to the consent agenda,

709
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,920
which you have before you with seven

710
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840
items and a motion would be in order.

711
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,800
>> So moved.

712
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,520
>> I have Okay, have a motion and a second.

713
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,720
All [clears throat] in favor signify by

714
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,600
saying I.

715
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:48,840
>> I.

716
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Opposed?

717
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560
Thank you. And that brings us to our uh

718
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,840
public hearing and I will turn this over

719
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,280
to uh

720
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,120
Mr. Liedy and Director Kelly Wyatt.

721
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,160
>> All right, thank you, Mr. Mayor Smith.

722
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,520
This time we will begin the public

723
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,360
hearing to consider a text amendment

724
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,680
application that was submitted by Ms.

725
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Suzanne Bear uh on behalf of BIPA LLC to

726
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,400
amend section 7.32 of the Unified

727
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Development Ordinance in order to allow

728
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080
water-dependent recreational uses as a

729
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720
permissible use within commercial mixed-use developments,

730
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,480
including shopping centers located

731
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040
within the commercial outdoor recreation

732
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,000
overlay. And we'll begin the board's

733
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
consideration of this uh by receiving

734
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760
the staff's analysis presented by uh the

735
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Planning and Development Director, Kelly

736
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Wyatt.

737
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,160
>> Thank you. I was hoping I would have

738
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,620
more time before I was back at this.

739
00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:43,710
>> [laughter]

740
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,000
» Um

741
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,040
As you stated, this is a public hearing

742
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,160
to consider a text amendment application

743
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360
submitted by Suzanne Bear on behalf of

744
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400
BIPA BIPA LLC.

745
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,080
The request is to amend section 7.32 of

746
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400
the Unified Development Ordinance

747
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600
to allow water-dependent recreational

748
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,200
uses within commercial mixed-use

749
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,640
developments, including shopping

750
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,720
centers, when those developments are

751
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,520
located within the commercial outdoor

752
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280
recreation overlay district or as we

753
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,320
often call it the COORD.

754
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Um just as some background, this request

755
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
originated from discussions concerning

756
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,800
the property located at 7531

757
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,240
uh South Virginia Dare Trail. Uh this is

758
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,640
Caribbean Corners shopping center. Um it

759
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
has Fresh Fit, uh pizza place, Lost

760
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Colony.

761
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Um just so you can get your bearings of

762
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,120
uh where we're talking about.

763
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Uh that property is located on the sound

764
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,400
front. It's within the C-2 general

765
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,520
commercial zoning district and it's also

766
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,320
within the court.

767
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,400
Um it's developed as a shopping center

768
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,680
which is classified in our ordinance as

769
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,920
a commercial mixed-use development.

770
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Although the property um that prompted

771
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
this request, um I did want to emphasize

772
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,320
that this is a legislative text

773
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,720
amendment and the board is not

774
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,920
considering a particular site plan or

775
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,920
special use permit this morning. The

776
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,120
approval of this amendment would not

777
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
constitute

778
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,680
approval of or support of any particular

779
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
business or proposal at Caribbean

780
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Corners.

781
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,960
Uh that's just where the text amendment

782
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,200
precipitated in the applicant in this

783
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200
scenario.

784
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Um under section 6.6 of our UDO,

785
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,560
water-dependent recreational uses are

786
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,040
already considered within um commer-

787
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,960
within the commercial outdoor recreation

788
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,040
overlay district. Um however, in section

789
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,720
7.32,

790
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400
which regulates

791
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160
um commercial mixed-use developments, it

792
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,560
does not currently list water-dependent

793
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120
recreational uses among the uses that

794
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,520
can be included within those

795
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,440
developments. And that is the excerpt of

796
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,800
the ordinance that we are requesting to

797
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920
amend, but I did provide the entire 7.32

798
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,120
within your packet. So hopefully you've

799
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320
had a chance to look at that and if not,

800
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,920
um I'm happy to bring it up on the

801
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,880
screen.

802
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Um

803
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Therefore, even though the underlying

804
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,440
zoning and the overlay district may

805
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,480
allow the use, it cannot currently be

806
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,960
located within a development classified

807
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,560
as a commercial mixed-use development or

808
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,960
a shopping center without the amendment

809
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,280
that's before you today.

810
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Um there are several things that this

811
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,160
amendment would not do, so I wanted to

812
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,760
speak to those.

813
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,480
It It not increase the maximum number of

814
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,400
permitted commercial water recreational

815
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,120
vendors that are allowed within the

816
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,440
town.

817
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,600
Um

818
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,600
based on the carrying capacity study

819
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,400
that was also included in your packet,

820
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
that number has been at seven

821
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,600
businesses, and it would remain at seven

822
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,360
businesses. We're not looking to

823
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,240
increase the number

824
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,920
of recreational businesses within the

825
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,000
town.

826
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,160
It would not expand the geographic

827
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160
boundary of the commercial outdoor

828
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120
recreational overlay district. That

829
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,680
would stay the same.

830
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,240
Um that's right there in the Wellbone

831
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,080
area, um

832
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320
starting around Lakeside, uh going

833
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,680
around Wellbone and across the causeway.

834
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Um this would not increase the number of

835
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,600
personal watercraft allowed per vendor.

836
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Right now, that's eight jet skis allowed

837
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,720
per vendor. That came from the um

838
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,440
the carrying capacity study for the

839
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,520
sound front as well. This amendment does

840
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,080
not change that in any way.

841
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,840
That stays at eight.

842
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Um and this proposed amendment would not

843
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,040
eliminate the requirement that anyone

844
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,280
looking to take advantage of this

845
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,880
would need to come back before the board

846
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120
for their special use site plan

847
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,720
amendment.

848
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Um this text amendment would simply

849
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360
allow the existing category of use to be

850
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,080
considered within an additional type of

851
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,680
commercial development, specifically

852
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,560
commercial mixed-use developments,

853
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,920
including shopping centers.

854
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,680
The history behind the town's regulation

855
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,520
of water-dependent recreational uses

856
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,879
important.

857
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,720
In 1998, the town began experiencing

858
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:15,840
increasing concerns regarding personal

859
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,600
watercraft rental operations on the

860
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Roanoke Sound.

861
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,800
Those concerns included safety,

862
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,919
congestion, conflicts among different

863
00:34:22,919 --> 00:34:24,360
user groups,

864
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,720
uh potential environmental impacts, and

865
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,960
the overall quality of the recreational

866
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,440
experience.

867
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,040
In response, the Board of Commissioners

868
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,360
at the time adopted a moratorium on the

869
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,639
expansion of personal watercraft rental

870
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,040
operations while a comprehensive

871
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000
carrying capacity study was completed.

872
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,360
Um that's included in your packet.

873
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,000
The town retained PMA planners to

874
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,720
conduct that study.

875
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,720
During the summer of 1998, the

876
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,040
consultants completed 317 interviews at

877
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,159
12 locations along the Nags Head

878
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,480
shoreline of Roanoke Sound.

879
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,240
The participants included personal

880
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,120
watercraft users,

881
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,720
powerboat users, non-powered watercraft

882
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,960
users, and shoreline users such as

883
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,960
swimmers, anglers, and crabbers.

884
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
The purpose was not to prohibit personal

885
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
watercraft or commercial recreation.

886
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,280
It was to determine how much

887
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,200
recreational activity the sound could

888
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,280
reasonably accommodate

889
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,720
before congestion, safety concerns, user

890
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,080
conflicts, or impacts to the experience

891
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,360
became unacceptable.

892
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,880
The study found that users were

893
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,400
generally satisfied with their

894
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,760
experiences on the sound,

895
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
that the sound was not experiencing

896
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240
widespread degradation or unacceptable

897
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,640
congestion,

898
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,000
and that the management measures in

899
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,270
place at the time seemed to be working.

900
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,240
Seven commercial rental operations

901
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,320
existed when that study was completed,

902
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,360
and based upon those findings, the

903
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,640
consultant recommended we keep that at

904
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,440
seven businesses.

905
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Um eight personal watercraft was also

906
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,800
what was permitted at the time, and

907
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,160
that's why we're um that's why we

908
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,760
currently have that, and we're proposing

909
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480
to keep that in place.

910
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,800
Um

911
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800
one of the more significant conclusions

912
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,600
of this study

913
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,360
was that the principal concern was not

914
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,960
necessarily the environmental

915
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,080
degradation of the sound itself, but it

916
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,880
was the potential for conflicts among

917
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,680
many different people

918
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,040
sharing a finite recreational resource.

919
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,760
The resulting regulations were intended

920
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,960
to balance recreational opportunities

921
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,920
with safety, compatibility, and the

922
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,520
long-term management of the Roanoke

923
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Sound.

924
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,800
Staff recognizes that recreational

925
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,840
activity on the sound has changed since

926
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,880
that study was completed um more than 25

927
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,440
years ago.

928
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640
We now have delivery-based rental

929
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
services, more privately owned

930
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,200
watercraft used by visitors,

931
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,400
transient docking facilities, and a

932
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,560
broader range of commercial activities.

933
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,520
Businesses that may once have focused

934
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,120
primarily on personal watercraft now

935
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,400
frequently offer pontoon boat rentals,

936
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,840
kayaks, stand-up paddle boards,

937
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,840
parasailing, kiteboarding, dolphin

938
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,080
tours, and many other activities that

939
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,800
have grown over the years.

940
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,480
Therefore, even though the number of

941
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,320
commercial operators has remained

942
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440
relatively consistent,

943
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,800
the variety and the potential intensity

944
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,800
of recreational activity has certainly

945
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000
increased.

946
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520
The history is relevant. However, the

947
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,640
proposed amendment does not necessarily

948
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,360
alter the town's carrying capacity

949
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,200
limitations.

950
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,320
It does not add vendors, it does not add

951
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,000
personal watercraft, or add territory to

952
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,080
the overlay district.

953
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,040
The question raised by this request is

954
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,160
whether an otherwise [clears throat]

955
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,320
permissible water-dependent recreational

956
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,400
use

957
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,880
should be allowed to seek approval

958
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,160
within a commercial mixed-use

959
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,960
development.

960
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,040
And that raises um somewhat different

961
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,000
set of concerns.

962
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,760
Unlike stand-alone waterfront

963
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,800
recreational businesses, a shopping

964
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,840
center is typically designed around

965
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,400
multiple tenants

966
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,240
that are sharing parking, drive aisles,

967
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,760
pedestrian areas, and other

968
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,280
infrastructure.

969
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Those tenants may include restaurants,

970
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,560
retail businesses, offices, and personal

971
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,720
service establishments.

972
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,080
Adding a water-dependent recreational

973
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,320
use to that environment

974
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200
could raise some legitimate concerns

975
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,600
about

976
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,760
where watercraft and other equipment

977
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,120
would be stored or staged.

978
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Where customers would gather and receive

979
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,160
their instructions.

980
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Whether adequate parking would remain

981
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480
available for all tenants.

982
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040
How vehicles, trailers, pedestrians, and

983
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,800
customers would circulate through the

984
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,320
property.

985
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Where docking facilities or related

986
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
infrastructure would be located.

987
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,760
Where fueling would occur. And if so,

988
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,920
how spill prevention and safety would be

989
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,320
addressed.

990
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Whether the operation would affect storm

991
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,400
water management. Is it going to be

992
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,160
compatible with the neighboring tenants?

993
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,880
And whether the overall site would

994
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,760
continue to function safely and

995
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,440
efficiently.

996
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Staff believes those are very important

997
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,080
questions. However, we acknowledge they

998
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,440
are more site-specific questions.

999
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,280
The legislative text amendment cannot

1000
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,520
tell us

1001
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,280
where the equipment will be stored on a

1002
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,280
particular property, how many spaces

1003
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,400
will remain available, etc. Um or how it

1004
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,200
might conflict with the additional

1005
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,720
businesses within the shopping center.

1006
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,120
Those are items that are going to have

1007
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,480
to be evaluated through a special use

1008
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,440
permit and site plan amendment.

1009
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,200
That process would allow the town to

1010
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,440
examine the actual property,

1011
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,120
the proposed operation, parking

1012
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,440
calculations, circulation patterns,

1013
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600
equipment storage, docking, fueling

1014
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,800
arrangements, storm water, and the

1015
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,400
relationship to the proposed other

1016
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,200
tenants.

1017
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Any applicant would have to demonstrate

1018
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,840
independently that the proposed use

1019
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,000
satisfies all the applicable ordinance

1020
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,800
requirements and the special use permit

1021
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,560
standards.

1022
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,680
Staff also recognizes that the amendment

1023
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,080
could offer potential benefits.

1024
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000
It could provide greater flexibility in

1025
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
the use of existing commercial

1026
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,320
properties, allow businesses to share

1027
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
existing infrastructure,

1028
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,600
concentrate commercial activities within

1029
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,960
established commercial developments,

1030
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,760
and provide convenience for customers

1031
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,880
who may be using other businesses at

1032
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,640
that location.

1033
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Um relevant comprehensive plan policies

1034
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200
encourage the town to preserve Nags

1035
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,720
Head's character

1036
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,400
while allowing commercial development

1037
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440
that serves residents and visitors

1038
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,080
and remains compatible with adjacent

1039
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,400
properties.

1040
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,400
The plan also directs the town to review

1041
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
its regulations for ocean and sound

1042
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,840
waters, commercial boating,

1043
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,760
and personal watercraft to protect the

1044
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,720
recreational, scenic, and environmental

1045
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,440
value of those resources.

1046
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Staff believes that allowing the use to

1047
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
be considered while retaining carrying

1048
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,440
capacity limits,

1049
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,040
the seven businesses and the eight jet

1050
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,120
skis,

1051
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,240
and requiring the site-specific special

1052
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,880
use permit,

1053
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,720
we believe that this text amendment is

1054
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,400
consistent with those policies.

1055
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,680
The planning board considered this

1056
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,040
amendment at its June 16th meeting, and

1057
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,440
after discussing all the potential

1058
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440
concerns that we've gone over here as

1059
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,720
well, um the planning board voted

1060
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,200
unanimously to recommend approval of the

1061
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,200
text amendment, noting that um any

1062
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,440
business would require the site-specific

1063
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,480
special use permit

1064
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,760
to be reviewed and approved by the

1065
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,160
planning board and this board.

1066
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Um

1067
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,480
That being said, uh staff staff's

1068
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,560
recommendation is the same.

1069
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Uh we do recommend approval of the

1070
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,160
amendment as it's been presented, noting

1071
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,800
that um

1072
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,680
any individual business wanting to take

1073
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,000
advantage would require site plan review

1074
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,440
as well.

1075
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,200
So, I am happy to answer any questions

1076
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440
that you may have related to the text

1077
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,040
amendment, and we do have um Suzanne

1078
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Bear available in the audience. She is

1079
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,640
the applicant and the property manager

1080
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,240
for Caribbean Corners.

1081
00:41:59,240 --> 00:41:59,520
>> Thank you.

1082
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,240
>> All right, does the board have any

1083
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,710
questions for Ms. Wyatt?

1084
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,480
» I don't.

1085
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,400
Thank you for a very thorough

1086
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,160
presentation.

1087
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,520
>> Yes.

1088
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Thank you.

1089
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,720
>> All right, thank you, Kelly.

1090
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,080
Uh Ms. Bear, do you have anything to

1091
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,040
present?

1092
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,880
>> No, I just want to say thank you for

1093
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,080
your consideration on the

1094
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,040
>> All right.

1095
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,200
Does any member of the public wish to

1096
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,920
comment on the proposed text amendment?

1097
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Does the board wish to receive any other

1098
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,200
information from staff or the applicant

1099
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,000
before you begin your deliberations?

1100
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,760
If not, at this time we will conclude

1101
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,720
the public hearing and the board may

1102
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,440
begin its deliberations on the proposed

1103
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,280
text amendment.

1104
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,760
All right, board, are there any comments

1105
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,870
before we entertain a motion?

1106
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,720
Okay.

1107
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:49,760
All right, then we'll entertain a

1108
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,190
motion.

1109
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,200
» I'll make a motion to

1110
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,640
approve this as it is presented.

1111
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920
>> Thank you. Do I have a second?

1112
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:00,960
>> Second.

1113
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,720
>> I have a motion and a second. I will say I do appreciate the concerns

1114
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,600
that the planning board expressed about

1115
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,000
the that will be site specific.

1116
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,960
I also appreciate the fact that you know

1117
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,030
multi-use allows

1118
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
people to be on the road a little less.

1119
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,800
In other words, you can enjoy you know

1120
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,840
whoever's in a car can enjoy multiple

1121
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
functions on the same site,

1122
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,320
which I think is the the benefit of the

1123
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,720
mixed use and so we will see how this

1124
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,550
goes.

1125
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,280
All right, I have a motion and a second.

1126
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Hearing no further discussion, all in

1127
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,320
favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed?

1128
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,750
Thank you.

1129
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,240
All right, Kelly.

1130
00:43:51,240 --> 00:44:01,990
You're busy you're a busy lady today.

1131
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,670
» This next item will go much faster.

1132
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,600
Um

1133
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,680
I will just provide a few highlights

1134
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,800
from the planning and development

1135
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,040
department's monthly report.

1136
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Um their written report has information

1137
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,720
about permitting, inspections, code

1138
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,560
enforcement, septic health activity from

1139
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,280
June. Um and I can dive deeper into any

1140
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,240
of that if needed. Uh the planning board

1141
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,400
uh did not meet in July. It's next

1142
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
meeting is scheduled for August 18th.

1143
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,200
And we're going to um to be hearing a

1144
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,800
text amendment submitted by Eddie

1145
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Goodrich concerning cottage courts.

1146
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,040
The amendment would provide greater

1147
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640
flexibility by modifying existing

1148
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160
graduated size and design requirements

1149
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,080
for individual dwelling units.

1150
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,760
Um

1151
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,120
that sounds kind of vague, but

1152
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,160
essentially what that is is the um

1153
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
the last time we heard this

1154
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,080
uh

1155
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,440
I think the applicant wanted to increase

1156
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,160
the size of cottage courts.

1157
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,360
And this is kind of going the other way.

1158
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,240
Uh the current applicant is interested

1159
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,600
in providing smaller homes, um one story

1160
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,000
consistent with a loft. Um and because

1161
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,120
we have that graduated scale that says

1162
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,680
1/3 has to be single story, 1/3 story

1163
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,920
and a half, 1/3 two story um

1164
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880
with the scale of graduated habitable

1165
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,360
living space. Um this

1166
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,520
text amendment would keep that in place,

1167
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,480
but allow an alternative option for

1168
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,400
something um for more

1169
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,680
consistent one-story structures. Um

1170
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,080
and we'll have more on that at the

1171
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,360
planning board's agenda. Also, um at

1172
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,560
this next planning board meeting

1173
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,200
uh

1174
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,000
the conversation about accessory

1175
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,640
dwelling units that is on our strategic

1176
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,840
plan.

1177
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Uh we don't want to lose sight of it. We

1178
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,200
know it's a really large conversation.

1179
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,960
We have several new planning board

1180
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,120
members currently um who may not be

1181
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,440
privy to all of the history behind ADUs

1182
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,320
and the discussions,

1183
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,440
um, and the concerns. So, um,

1184
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,120
we're going to start the process of

1185
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,800
updating the planning board on the

1186
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
history, um, so that possibly in the

1187
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,320
months down the road, um, if we want to

1188
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,800
consider another ordinance, um,

1189
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,600
everybody's aware of of where we've

1190
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,520
been.

1191
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Um, the Board of Adjustment met on July

1192
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,760
9th

1193
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,320
as to consider, uh,

1194
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,800
appeal from Sebastian Ohangoran. Uh,

1195
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,280
that was an appeal from an

1196
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,080
interpretation regarding front yard

1197
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,760
setback reduction, and the board voted

1198
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,080
unanimously to uphold staff's

1199
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,400
administrative decision.

1200
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,960
Um,

1201
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,680
the Board of Adjustment meets again

1202
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,400
August 13th to consider an appeal filed

1203
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,080
by Loretta Patrick regarding the denial

1204
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,160
of a permit to demolish an existing,

1205
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,840
um,

1206
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,040
beach access walkway within the Pelican

1207
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Park subdivision, so.

1208
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,160
Um, adjoining property owner

1209
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,600
notifications have gone out. The site's

1210
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,480
been posted, um, and we'll be holding

1211
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,560
that hearing, um, on Thursday, August

1212
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,960
13th.

1213
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,320
Um,

1214
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,480
as far as the DWMP, we continue to have

1215
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,560
strong participation in the septic

1216
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,640
health initiative during the past fiscal

1217
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,720
year.

1218
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,480
The town completed approximately 190

1219
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,280
septic inspections,

1220
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,320
issued 158 water bill credits, and

1221
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,920
facilitated 10 septic repair loans.

1222
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Um, a recent outreach mailer generated

1223
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,120
approximately 70 inspection requests,

1224
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,800
and introduced several new property

1225
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,280
owners to the program, so that was

1226
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,040
really exciting.

1227
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Um, staff have also mailed targeted

1228
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,600
information, um, about the new zero

1229
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,560
interest septic loan program to those

1230
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,440
properties that are

1231
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,200
um considered to be vulnerable based

1232
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,480
upon their proximity to a water body and

1233
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,560
elevation.

1234
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,720
Um

1235
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,520
staff continues to work with OTT

1236
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,560
Hydromet on our groundwater loggers and

1237
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,280
we're meeting with researchers from ECU

1238
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,800
to learn more about their groundwater

1239
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,280
monitoring work and possibly explore

1240
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,160
opportunities to collaborate with them

1241
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,760
as well.

1242
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Um Estuarine Shoreline, there's been a

1243
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
lot of movement there.

1244
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Um Harvey and Soundside event site

1245
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,080
permit application was submitted

1246
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,400
following completion of wetland survey

1247
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,800
and some minor design revisions. Um

1248
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,120
we're continuing to address access for

1249
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,520
um kayak and wind sport sport users.

1250
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Um permits are anticipated in September,

1251
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,640
bidding to follow, and construction is

1252
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,000
currently planned for January of 2027.

1253
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Um

1254
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,840
we've also had productive engagement

1255
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,600
with property owners on Village Dunes

1256
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,640
Drive and Soundside Road. At Soundside

1257
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,680
Road, the project will focus on a

1258
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,560
nature-based resiliency berm and

1259
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,600
associated stormwater improvements

1260
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,360
intended to reduce overtopping

1261
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,600
um of the roadway, improve habitat, and

1262
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,360
protect the infrastructure.

1263
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,240
Draft easement um language has been

1264
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,920
shared with the affected property owners

1265
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,640
and we're just continuing outreach with

1266
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,680
them at this time.

1267
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,320
Um staff are also developing policy for

1268
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,200
technical assistance funding that the

1269
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,280
board allocated during the budget

1270
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,360
process for private property owners and

1271
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,840
small groups that are interested in

1272
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,280
living shorelines. Um we're going to be

1273
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040
putting a policy together on how that

1274
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,240
technical assistance will be awarded and

1275
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,680
that should be coming back to you in

1276
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,480
September.

1277
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Um we have issued our request for

1278
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,240
qualifications to update the town's

1279
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,360
parks and recreation plan.

1280
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,320
That was the number one priority in the

1281
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,920
strategic plan update, so that is now

1282
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,840
underway and very exciting.

1283
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,000
Um summer programming at Dowdy continues

1284
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,240
to be extremely successful.

1285
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,760
Um great attendance at really

1286
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,320
everything, farmers market,

1287
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,160
um concerts, fitness, family fun.

1288
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,720
Everything's just going really well, so

1289
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,160
very thankful for that. Um and we're

1290
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,280
also pleased to welcome a new um

1291
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,440
employee, Erica Warbocker. She is a new

1292
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,800
part-time, year-round events assistant.

1293
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Um

1294
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,000
most of y'all have probably seen her by

1295
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,240
now. She's out there with Paige on

1296
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,640
farmers market days and she's just been

1297
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,480
a huge asset to have her, so um thank

1298
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,640
you. She's been wonderful.

1299
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,840
Um

1300
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680
and I believe that's it.

1301
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,280
>> Okay. Great.

1302
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,400
Any questions for Kelly?

1303
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,640
>> No. Thank you, Kelly.

1304
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,819
>> Thank you.

1305
00:50:43,819 --> 00:50:43,880
>> [clears throat]

1306
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,710
>> Kelly.

1307
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:50,040
Uh that brings us to uh new business and

1308
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,360
committee reports and I will start on my

1309
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,520
right with Commissioner Vaughn.

1310
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,400
>> Uh the tourism board does not meet in

1311
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,360
July, so I have not much of a report no

1312
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,600
report for you this month.

1313
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,480
>> All right. Very good. Thank you.

1314
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,200
Commissioner Sanders.

1315
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,280
>> Um the Dare Housing Foundation is still

1316
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,040
moving forward with their um sandcastle

1317
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,160
weekly building contest, so and it's in

1318
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,800
its first year, so we're still trying to

1319
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,320
get the word out about that and hoping

1320
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,640
that'll grow. And also um more

1321
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480
importantly, they're actively seeking

1322
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,760
some grants to to get things going, so

1323
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,120
it's it's moving in a really positive

1324
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,200
direction.

1325
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920
>> Good. Good. Great to hear that.

1326
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Uh Commissioner Weaver.

1327
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,200
>> Um Kelly Gre gave a great report update

1328
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,720
from the septic health committee, but I

1329
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,080
did just want to say an extra thank you

1330
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,160
to town staff. Um I've been on the

1331
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
septic health committee for years on

1332
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,320
planning board in this and it's just

1333
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,240
rare to me to see so many staff members

1334
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,120
involved in with this loan program, the

1335
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,960
amount of work that Kelly, Joe, Amy, and

1336
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,360
Connor have been putting into it, and

1337
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Andy has been immense, and it's just

1338
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,040
well beyond the traditional scope of

1339
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,200
work, I would think, with the septic

1340
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,400
health program. So, thank you again.

1341
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,400
I'm really excited about the loan

1342
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,640
program.

1343
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,120
>> Very good.

1344
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,280
>> Thank you.

1345
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,080
>> Commissioner Harrison.

1346
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,040
>> Um government access channel committee

1347
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,680
met in July, and it's kind of business

1348
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,880
as usual. Things are just rolling along.

1349
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120
I just wanted to point out that

1350
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,000
Roberta's content from the past year,

1351
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,640
since the committee's been developed,

1352
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,400
it's just been it's been stellar. If you

1353
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,720
go and you look through all the videos

1354
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,520
of all the that are there, a lot of the

1355
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Nags Head videos really stand out, and I

1356
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,920
just want to commend Roberta for that.

1357
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,680
>> Yep.

1358
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:22,920
>> Yes.

1359
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,240
>> Great. Great work.

1360
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,760
Very good.

1361
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Thank you. That brings us next to

1362
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,240
consideration of resolutions authorizing

1363
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,160
fall 2026 fishing tournaments. These are

1364
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,000
long-standing [clears throat]

1365
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,120
tournaments for the Outer Banks

1366
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,320
Association of Realtors, the Fraternal

1367
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,360
Order of Eagles, and the Nags Head Surf

1368
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,320
Fishing Club. And I think that we can do

1369
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,990
that with a single motion.

1370
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,480
Okay.

1371
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:50,920
>> Yep.

1372
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,000
>> Okay. So, a motion would be in order.

1373
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,880
>> So moved.

1374
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,800
>> I have a motion. Is there a second?

1375
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,520
>> Second.

1376
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,560
>> I have a motion and a second.

1377
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,440
Um any discussion?

1378
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Right.

1379
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,840
Hearing none, all those in favor signify

1380
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,920
by saying I. I. Opposed? Right. Thank

1381
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,040
you.

1382
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,440
Uh Mr. Laidig, do we have anything from

1383
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,600
you today?

1384
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,960
>> Uh yes, we have two things. One, um I

1385
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,520
want to give you an update on the uh

1386
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,160
Cherry uh litigation. As you know, that

1387
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,560
um in that case, we've obtained a

1388
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,240
summary judgment last summer uh

1389
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,880
dismissing the case, and uh Cherry uh

1390
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,720
appealed from that. So, the case is

1391
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:29,920
pending in the Court of Appeals. Uh just

1392
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,760
last week, we received notification from

1393
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920
the Court of Appeals that the appeal

1394
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,720
will be considered on August the 27th

1395
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,960
without oral arguments. So, they'll be considering it on the on the

1396
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,560
briefs that we submitted, that the um

1397
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,920
appellant submitted and that were

1398
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,480
submitted by

1399
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,840
amicus from the Southern Environmental

1400
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,760
Law Center.

1401
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,880
>> Okay. Great.

1402
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,920
>> And the other thing I want to point out

1403
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,720
is

1404
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,560
I just wanted to

1405
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,760
since Roberta Thuman was recognized

1406
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,000
today I just want to point out that in

1407
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,760
the easement acquisition process for

1408
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,040
beach nourishment that's something we've

1409
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,800
spent a lot of time on. It couldn't be

1410
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,520
done without her assistance. So, I just

1411
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,280
want to give her that credit.

1412
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,440
>> Yeah. Very good.

1413
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,480
Thank you.

1414
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,520
Uh that brings us to items referred to

1415
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,160
and presentations from the town manager

1416
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,710
and first Amy.

1417
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,440
With the financial update.

1418
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,200
>> Jared just said make it rain Amy. I

1419
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,840
don't know. We'll see.

1420
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,160
I mean although I will say it

1421
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,440
this is going to be about fiscal year 26

1422
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,040
cuz there's really nothing to report in

1423
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,880
27. We haven't even built taxes. We're

1424
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,160
working on that obviously but so

1425
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,400
obviously this is unaudited. We're not

1426
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,840
closed out. We're still waiting on some

1427
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
things. So, just really a high-level

1428
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,520
overview. Um

1429
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,040
So, in the budget we kind of put a lot

1430
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,760
of work into discussing, you know,

1431
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,320
financial planning and there was a supplemental narrative in there about

1432
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,720
the general fund balance projection.

1433
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,080
Um and so what we talked about in the

1434
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,240
budget was a 30% fund balance which was

1435
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,600
a 3% increase

1436
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,200
from the fiscal year 25 unassigned fund

1437
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,320
balance.

1438
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Um and you know, we wrote that in March

1439
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,840
or April. So, now that we're in August

1440
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,720
and we progressed towards

1441
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,200
you know, closing out the books in 26

1442
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,040
I still think that that 30% holds true

1443
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,960
if not 31 or 32%

1444
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,960
which is great because again that is an

1445
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,840
increase from last year.

1446
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,240
Um and again as as above our fund

1447
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,160
balance policy in the general fund of

1448
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,720
25%

1449
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:39,560
but it is below the 35% I do not think

1450
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,920
from every which way that I've sliced

1451
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,280
and diced it going back from March and

1452
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,840
April to

1453
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,120
last week, um I don't think we will hit

1454
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,840
that 35% but again, you know, something

1455
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,080
could happen. Um

1456
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560
So, I don't think we will be uh putting

1457
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,240
funds into the capital investment fund

1458
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:59,000
anything over 35% would go in there.

1459
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,520
But, again, that the capital investment

1460
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,800
fund does have its own fund balance

1461
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,920
policy and this fiscal year we will be,

1462
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
you know, above our policy of 20% and

1463
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,600
the way that we did the budget both in

1464
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,680
uh 27 and the financial plan we were

1465
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,600
within that policy of the CIF as well.

1466
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,640
So, I don't anticipate any problems

1467
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,280
there. Um the fund balance policy uh

1468
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,800
calculation for the general fund

1469
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,440
the way you calculate that, um open

1470
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,880
purchase orders that will be carried

1471
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,400
forward, that will be a budget amendment

1472
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,760
that the board will approve probably in

1473
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,680
October. Um that gets that hits the fund

1474
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,320
balance, if you will. So, that's taken

1475
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,320
to an account. Um the fund balance

1476
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,640
appropriation, I know we talked about

1477
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,720
that in the budget process for 27, that

1478
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,360
hits the fund balance. I took that into

1479
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
account. And we also have to account for

1480
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,080
the $12 million transfer made from the

1481
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,800
capital reserve fund because in the

1482
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,440
financial statements the capital reserve

1483
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,160
fund, the capital investment fund, and

1484
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,080
the general fund are all combined for

1485
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,840
the front of the statements. Um so, we

1486
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,840
do have to take that into account as

1487
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,720
well. So, all those things were factored

1488
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,040
into that. Um and again, our fund

1489
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,880
balance policy does not include special

1490
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,200
obligation bond debt, which would be the

1491
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,680
public services complex and that was 1.2

1492
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,240
million. So, we backed that out to get

1493
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,640
to our fund balance calculation of what

1494
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,200
the board policy is for fund balance. Um

1495
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
Some reasons for the increases we did

1496
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,440
the revaluation.

1497
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Um we did receive a half a million

1498
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,120
dollars more in ad valorem revenue

1499
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
because of our almost 100% collection

1500
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,040
rate. I think that was in the packet for

1501
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,240
this month. Um the in the revenue

1502
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,680
neutral rate, we talked about that with

1503
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,520
the board with the appeals.

1504
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Um the county, the towns, everybody

1505
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,280
accounted for a 5% appeal process.

1506
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,760
And uh the latest email I could find

1507
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,720
from the county was ours was less than 3

1508
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,440
and 1/2% so that accounts for some of

1509
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,800
that um

1510
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,480
interest income over budget by $150,000.

1511
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,160
Um utilities franchise tax uh over

1512
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,480
budget by about that same amount. Um and

1513
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,600
also with the grants, the timing of it

1514
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,640
um you know, we have to get

1515
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,280
reimbursement. We have to pay for it

1516
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,840
first and we have to get it back. So

1517
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,920
we've been getting uh finally on the

1518
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,440
back end of some of those reimbursements

1519
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,400
so that's helping us also. Um the shared

1520
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,720
revenues

1521
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,720
I think we're on an uptick. I I hate to

1522
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,670
say that out loud. Um but

1523
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:21,880
>> [laughter]

1524
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,840
>> we're

1525
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,720
we are cuz at first I was like, "Oh,

1526
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,360
we're going to be about 50,000 under."

1527
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,400
Well, now I think we're going to be

1528
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,600
about 50,000 over which is pretty much a

1529
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,640
net zero for budgeting. Um you know,

1530
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,000
land transfer tax was 5% less than it

1531
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,680
was last fiscal year. Sales tax was up

1532
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,040
1%. Occupancy tax 2% lower. So based on

1533
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,320
these figures, you know, we were

1534
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,840
transparent I think with the board and

1535
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,520
in the budget how we did a very

1536
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,520
conservative flat revenue for shared

1537
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,520
revenues and based on this, I think that

1538
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,520
that's the appropriate decision that was

1539
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,200
made um

1540
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,280
again, we're going to say conservatively

1541
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,660
optimistic if that's a word.

1542
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:00,480
>> [laughter]

1543
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,680
>> And for utility, we budgeted about 4.3

1544
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,280
million in revenues and I think that's

1545
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,440
where we're going to exactly where we're

1546
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,800
going to land, maybe a little bit over.

1547
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,640
Um but the good news is is that the

1548
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,680
water that we purchased from Dare

1549
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,080
County, that was uh

1550
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,880
17 and 1/2% under what we budgeted. So

1551
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,280
we're buying less water but

1552
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,000
we're actually meeting our revenues. So

1553
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,960
to me again, that says a lot about the

1554
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,320
conservation and the leak detection and

1555
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,800
the meter, so

1556
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,440
um I think that's that's kind of a good thing. Um tipping fees,

1557
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,560
about $800,000.

1558
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,960
Um that is slightly under budget. We we

1559
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,640
met our budget for that pretty much, and

1560
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,960
we did reduce them by 6% in fiscal year

1561
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,920
'26. So, we're forecasting a drop in

1562
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,480
tipping fees, and I think this year it

1563
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,520
was

1564
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,200
closer to 830,000 that we budgeted, but

1565
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
the fees are going up, the gas

1566
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,520
going up. So, the it's not necessarily

1567
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,360
the tonnage, but more so the cost per

1568
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,360
ton.

1569
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,480
Um and really that's it at a very high

1570
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,080
level. Um

1571
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,080
looking forward to working on the

1572
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,000
financials now, and um we do this

1573
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,800
quarterly, but I'm always available to

1574
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,120
answer any questions, but um thank you

1575
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,240
for your time.

1576
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,080
>> Any questions?

1577
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:14,960
>> Thank you, Amy.

1578
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,160
>> Thank you.

1579
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:16,840
>> Thank

1580
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:17,480
>> Questions?

1581
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,240
>> Thank you, Amy. It's it's it's really

1582
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,880
fun to see

1583
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,160
a win like the water meters. I mean, it continues to thrill me that uh you

1584
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,840
know, something so technical, so sort of

1585
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,080
mundane, turns out to be not just a

1586
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:38,440
financial win for the town, but a win in terms of public perception,

1587
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,240
because we've heard so many stories

1588
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,040
about people who have

1589
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,840
uh where the town's been able to detect

1590
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,320
a leak for somebody that they didn't

1591
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,800
know that they had, um and and be

1592
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,080
responsive. So, so that's that's really

1593
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,040
that's that's fun.

1594
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,760
All right. Uh David,

1595
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:01,550
update on the multi-use path.

1596
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,150
» Good morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

1597
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,080
So, we thought that

1598
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,720
this would be a good opportunity to go

1599
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,680
ahead and just provide a concept for the

1600
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,400
planning of the next phase of the

1601
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,600
Westside multi-use path.

1602
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,120
Um what I've got up on the screen is

1603
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,600
just an aerial overview of the section

1604
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,000
that we're looking at. I'll go ahead and

1605
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,800
zoom in.

1606
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Um this is essentially to go ahead and

1607
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,560
fill in an existing gap within our

1608
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,960
multi-use path network.

1609
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,520
Uh we have to the north

1610
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,200
um

1611
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,840
from Carolista Drive all the way up

1612
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,880
through A Street, we have a segment of

1613
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,600
multi-use path that currently exists.

1614
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,720
And so, this would be a continuation of

1615
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,440
that from Carolista Drive all the way

1616
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,760
through to West Side Side Road, where we

1617
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,320
would then connect up with a section of

1618
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,440
multi-use path that was constructed back

1619
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,080
in 2020.

1620
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,360
So,

1621
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,440
a couple things of note with this

1622
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,440
section that is a little bit different

1623
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,920
from what we've uh come across with some

1624
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,520
of the prior projects.

1625
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,200
Um we've got some existing constraints.

1626
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,120
Um one being an existing drainage ditch

1627
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,600
network, which spans from Carolista

1628
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Drive to just south of Conk Street. Um

1629
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,960
this is part of

1630
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,480
uh a drainage network that captures

1631
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,120
runoff from US 158.

1632
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,400
And then there's a cross culvert pipe at

1633
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,680
Conk Street, which then flows through

1634
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,640
that network and through an ocean

1635
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:48,070
outfall at that location.

1636
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,600
Additionally, we've got underground

1637
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,400
utilities that we're going to have to um

1638
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,880
work around. And topography, I think, is

1639
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,310
our biggest challenge.

1640
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,120
Um the topography from Jockey's Ridge

1641
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,000
State Park, um especially when we get

1642
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,280
into this section,

1643
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,600
um I've got uh Sue's Barbecue as a point

1644
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,880
of reference here along the east side of

1645
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,480
158.

1646
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,560
This is

1647
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,960
really where the topography starts to encroach

1648
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,320
um out close towards the existing edge

1649
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,760
of pavement.

1650
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,880
And so,

1651
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,040
this is [snorts and clears throat] this

1652
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
may require some pretty extensive

1653
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,440
grading as well as some bulkheading in

1654
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,040
this area.

1655
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,320
And this extends through to the

1656
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,280
crosswalk at Jockey's Ridge

1657
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,920
crossing, and then 2 points south of

1658
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,080
that until that slope starts to taper

1659
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,720
off some.

1660
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,720
So, just to give you a sense of what

1661
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,080
we're looking at as far as topography,

1662
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,720
especially in that area that we were

1663
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,440
just looking at on the north side,

1664
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,680
we start to see

1665
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,840
it really start to constrain in here.

1666
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,680
The existing roadway elevations are

1667
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,200
somewhere around an elevation of 9 ft

1668
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,120
above mean sea level, and these contour

1669
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,800
lines represent a change in grade at

1670
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,280
1-ft intervals. Um and you can see they

1671
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,840
go up to about 22 ft over a short span

1672
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,800
of distance. And so, due to that

1673
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,280
and the placement of the path, that we

1674
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,600
would look at going ahead and starting

1675
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,680
our retaining wall,

1676
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,320
um we'd be looking at approximately

1677
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,120
about 1,000 ft of retaining wall in

1678
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,400
length, um starting at about 4-ft high

1679
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,080
as an exposed height, and maybe even

1680
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,280
increasing as much as 8 ft in height to

1681
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,480
be able to keep that sand back and have

1682
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,880
an open pathway um for us to place the

1683
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,160
path as well as any drainage

1684
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,310
improvements in that area.

1685
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,640
And that that extends south

1686
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,760
through the crosswalk. We would have an

1687
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,800
opening here within the retaining wall

1688
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,800
um to allow uh passage of pedestrians.

1689
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,080
And then also that retaining wall would

1690
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:24,510
then continue southward.

1691
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,760
Give me a

1692
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,040
second.

1693
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,600
Southward up into a point where that

1694
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,520
slope really starts to taper back.

1695
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,120
And so um we're looking at some some

1696
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,200
pretty extensive grading in that area.

1697
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,480
We're also looking at a reduced width of

1698
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,920
the multi-use path. In In the past,

1699
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,320
traditionally, we've had a 10-ft wide

1700
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,520
multi-use path. But because of these

1701
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,880
challenges and these constraints, beyond

1702
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,760
the regulatory constraints that we have

1703
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,240
where we have a 10-ft wide separation

1704
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,560
from the existing edge of pavement

1705
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,440
or as an alternative, we could have a

1706
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,400
um

1707
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,560
vertical curb and gutter that would

1708
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,240
serve as a barrier where we can locate

1709
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,520
that pathway um

1710
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,520
3 ft on the back side of that curb and

1711
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,200
gutter. Those are some of the other

1712
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,920
constraints and we've been working with

1713
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:19,960
North Carolina Department of

1714
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,240
Transportation as well as Jockey's Ridge

1715
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,760
State Park to go ahead and discuss how

1716
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,920
we can navigate some of these things and

1717
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,000
still work within their permitting

1718
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,790
framework.

1719
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,800
Um I wanted to just show a visual

1720
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,640
representation of what this may look

1721
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,120
like.

1722
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,920
Um when we talk about the the the

1723
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,920
separation and having a grass buffer,

1724
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,400
this is what the path would look like

1725
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,800
um conceptually if we were to have a

1726
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,480
10-ft wide grass buffer and have

1727
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,040
separation from the travel lane to where

1728
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,080
the beginning of the

1729
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,920
edge of sidewalk would begin. And then

1730
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,720
in some of those areas where it starts to tighten up, we would look at

1731
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,920
the retaining wall

1732
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,320
where we would have uh potentially curb

1733
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,080
and gutter,

1734
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,960
pathway, and then uh little bit of

1735
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,520
separation to where that retaining wall

1736
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,280
would would go ahead and start. Just to

1737
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,120
go ahead and give you an idea of what

1738
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,750
this finished product may look like.

1739
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,280
So, we are currently working with uh

1740
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,840
Withers Ravenel now who's doing the

1741
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,960
engineering design for this

1742
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,480
um and still having these conversations

1743
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,720
with North Carolina Department of

1744
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,000
Transportation, as well as Jockey's

1745
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,600
Ridge State Park to be able to come up

1746
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,320
with a final alignment um as well as

1747
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,760
uh final uh walkway width

1748
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,640
um to be able to um get to a point where

1749
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,600
we can submit for permits,

1750
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,120
put it out to bid, and start

1751
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,120
construction on the project.

1752
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,320
So, I'll be glad to answer any questions

1753
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,120
that you may have.

1754
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,040
>> Questions?

1755
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,200
>> If that bulkhead gets to like 8 ft in

1756
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,120
some areas, will there be I imagine

1757
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,960
there'd be some sort of like guardrail

1758
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,799
or to keep people from wandering over

1759
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,200
it?

1760
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,799
Or you know what I mean? Like if they

1761
01:08:19,799 --> 01:08:21,640
come down

1762
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,040
Yeah, you'd hope they wouldn't, but I

1763
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,440
mean

1764
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,560
>> It's

1765
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,120
We anticipate that some of those exposed

1766
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,240
heights where it's 8 ft that they're

1767
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,759
going to be really concentrated and

1768
01:08:30,759 --> 01:08:32,520
focused, so it's not going to be over a

1769
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,600
large area. So, it would be over a small

1770
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,799
area. And I don't know if some of those

1771
01:08:37,799 --> 01:08:40,720
areas are actually accessible.

1772
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,680
>> Okay.

1773
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,960
>> So, um but it would it's definitely

1774
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:44,960
something that we'll go ahead and

1775
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,759
consider and look at to see if there's

1776
01:08:46,759 --> 01:08:48,240
additional safety treatments that we

1777
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,720
need to put in place

1778
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:50,880
as a result of that.

1779
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,640
>> Thank you.

1780
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,960
>> Question.

1781
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,560
>> Um I have a question. Is the park

1782
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,880
seemingly um open to moving sand? And

1783
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,839
these plantings look new, so are they open to

1784
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:07,080
moving sand and planting stabilization

1785
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,920
plants on the dune?

1786
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:09,839
So far?

1787
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:10,920
>> And

1788
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,759
in some of our initial discussions, um

1789
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:16,359
they were really uh focused on

1790
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,400
vegetation uh preservation.

1791
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,799
And so, with the alignment, we've tried

1792
01:09:21,799 --> 01:09:24,359
to minimize the amount of vegetative

1793
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,480
removal.

1794
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:28,720
Um but we also understand that

1795
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,319
with the grading and the bulk getting,

1796
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,440
that there will need to be some type of

1797
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:34,319
planning behind there in order to go

1798
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:36,400
ahead and keep that in place. So.

1799
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,759
>> was my question. Are they are they

1800
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:39,799
seemingly open to new plantings on the

1801
01:09:39,799 --> 01:09:40,759
dune?

1802
01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:44,359
>> Uh yes, and and I I think uh that's key

1803
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,200
for them uh because of the fact is if

1804
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,440
you don't have that vegetation, then

1805
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:51,640
it's going to be that much more

1806
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,400
difficult to be able to stabilize those

1807
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:54,160
slopes.

1808
01:09:54,160 --> 01:10:05,070
>> Mhm.

1809
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,510
» And schedule?

1810
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,440
Uh so,

1811
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:13,520
the the schedule is um

1812
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,760
once we go ahead and refine

1813
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,480
the um the plans,

1814
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:21,360
get all the permitting and regulatory

1815
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,480
agencies on board, then we can go ahead

1816
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,200
and submit for permits.

1817
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,360
Um our plan is to try to be under

1818
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,480
construction this fall.

1819
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:30,600
>> Okay.

1820
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,200
>> Um but we do realize that that's really

1821
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:34,680
going to be a function of the permit

1822
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,640
review. Um we realize that we're going

1823
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,920
to have to go through the Division of

1824
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,680
Coastal Management and get a CAMA permit

1825
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,120
for the sand removal, um

1826
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,200
as well as getting authorization through

1827
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,680
Jockey's Ridge State Park. We've got

1828
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,120
state sedimentation erosion control.

1829
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,560
There will likely be stormwater

1830
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,000
management and through North Carolina

1831
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,720
Department of Transportation and a

1832
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,720
right-of-way encroachment. We engaged

1833
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,800
most all of these agencies to start this

1834
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,960
conversation so that when we submit, we

1835
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,960
can hopefully expedite those reviews so

1836
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,840
we can be under construction sooner

1837
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,760
rather than later.

1838
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,400
>> Okay.

1839
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,400
>> All right.

1840
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,560
>> Andy, you were going to add something.

1841
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,800
>> Well, I was just going to discuss the um

1842
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,200
discussions we've had with Jockey's

1843
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,920
Ridge State Park.

1844
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,760
Um obviously, they're going to have a

1845
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,800
lot

1846
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,920
of interest in what we're doing here.

1847
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,400
You know, we sort of had some questions

1848
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,760
about getting some of the approvals if

1849
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,760
we were going to work beyond the

1850
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,360
property line. Obviously, this is a CAMA

1851
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,440
AEC, the Jockey's Ridge AEC, and so

1852
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:37,760
we know the sand sand's going to have to

1853
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,000
stay in the park. And we were advised to

1854
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,040
basically submit for our CAMA major

1855
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,440
permit application, and then all those

1856
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:46,840
things could be addressed as part of

1857
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,160
their review of the application,

1858
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,320
including where they would direct us to

1859
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,880
place sand inside the park.

1860
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,840
And so I think most likely, you know, we

1861
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,920
would be placing sand. They have a They

1862
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,440
have a sort of a dis- disposal area

1863
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:01,080
inside the park on the north side of the

1864
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,400
park where they they've been placing the

1865
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,880
sand that they've been moving, and so we

1866
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,320
would probably be putting it there. And

1867
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,320
so the some of those things would be

1868
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,160
addressed during the permitting process,

1869
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,440
and I think there's some additional

1870
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,640
coordination with them on the plantings

1871
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,440
and the buffer strip and things like

1872
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,880
that that we've got to work out. We We

1873
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,120
We've got some issues we've got to work

1874
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,360
out with the retaining wall and the the

1875
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,040
grading that's going to occur behind

1876
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,160
that as well. We're talking with Withers

1877
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,440
Ravenel about that, but um

1878
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:30,400
you know, I

1879
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,080
the grass strip between the the sidewalk

1880
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,080
and and the roadway,

1881
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,840
that's something that we may want to

1882
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,760
talk about how that that's going to

1883
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,000
look. I mean,

1884
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,960
you know, this pic- picture right here

1885
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,880
it it kind of shows this very uniform

1886
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,120
hardened edge.

1887
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:45,800
>> Yeah.

1888
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,520
>> And I I don't know if

1889
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,240
you know, how folks are going to react

1890
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,160
to that.

1891
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:50,400
>> All right.

1892
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,760
>> So I think we have to be mindful of

1893
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,640
that, you know, and perhaps this grass

1894
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,960
strip is is more

1895
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,960
not not just regular grass, but

1896
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,600
something else and something we could

1897
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,400
talk about, you know, maybe more more of

1898
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,880
a natural

1899
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,200
um type grass like a love grass or

1900
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,160
something like that.

1901
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,920
>> Mhm.

1902
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,840
>> But,

1903
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,640
you know, um

1904
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,280
the the the picture is a little

1905
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,920
deceiving because I think as David was

1906
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,600
saying, you know, the the path is not

1907
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,480
straight.

1908
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:16,840
>> Right.

1909
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,360
>> And the bulkhead's not going to be

1910
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,960
continuous at the same height. It's

1911
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,840
going to go up and down and then

1912
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,840
disappear in a section and come back up

1913
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:24,960
and so,

1914
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,240
you know, it

1915
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,200
um

1916
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,200
I'm just saying that some if someone

1917
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:31,560
looked at that, they're not thinking of

1918
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,785
the finished product.

1919
01:13:32,785 --> 01:13:32,800
>> [laughter]

1920
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:33,600
>> Exactly.

1921
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,080
>> Yeah.

1922
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,400
>> Probably.

1923
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,560
>> I wonder if it's worth investing

1924
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,320
the time, as we get a little further

1925
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,080
along, to renderings that would address

1926
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,120
the

1927
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,160
you know, sort of the final

1928
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,720
configuration.

1929
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,160
Yeah, I don't know how much of a special

1930
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,280
order that is given whatever kind of

1931
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,760
software they may be using to

1932
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,040
design this.

1933
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,080
>> Right. And as as we near the the final

1934
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,800
planting, then we can go ahead and

1935
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,920
modify and update it so it's a little

1936
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,120
bit more realistic and more in tune with

1937
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,920
that final design is going to look like.

1938
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,080
>> Yeah. Okay. I think we may like to see

1939
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,120
that

1940
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,640
when the time comes.

1941
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,510
>> Okay.

1942
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:17,720
Thank you.

1943
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,640
>> Thank you.

1944
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,000
>> All right, thank you.

1945
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,160
>> I think you're staying there for the

1946
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,120
>> stormwater master plan

1947
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,240
>> presentation.

1948
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,160
>> Yes. Okay, so uh first off, I'd like to

1949
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,560
go ahead and apologize. Um in your

1950
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,040
packet, uh there was uh several packets

1951
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,840
of information included to include um a

1952
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,160
rating sheet as well as a uh CIP summary

1953
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,400
sheet and then the in the individual

1954
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,950
project listings.

1955
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,280
And

1956
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,400
in

1957
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,120
going through that in advance of this

1958
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,640
presentation,

1959
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,480
um was able to note that there was one

1960
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:00,400
project that was missing that was very

1961
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,600
integral

1962
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:06,240
um to the overall planning in the Sound

1963
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,960
Side Road area.

1964
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,280
Um and that was the third phase, which

1965
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,280
basically connects

1966
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,560
three other projects together.

1967
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,240
Um this was presented previously to the

1968
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,840
board and it had a pumping station noted

1969
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,160
at

1970
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,520
uh the intersection of Deering Street

1971
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,360
and Sound Side Road. I think uh

1972
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,200
Commissioner Vaughn had commented that property in that area likely would

1973
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,320
not be available for that. So, we looked

1974
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,640
at an alternate location to the north uh

1975
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,200
for the siting of that pump station, um

1976
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,440
but it was in inadvertently left out in

1977
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:50,480
the packet um that was um it that was in

1978
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:52,840
the board packet and um

1979
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,360
this information that I'm giving you

1980
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:55,640
today

1981
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,000
reinserts that back in there. It does

1982
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,840
not materially change the overall

1983
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,240
priority,

1984
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,120
um but it coincides with the other

1985
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,000
projects in that area.

1986
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,120
So, I just wanted to start off by by

1987
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,030
stating that and uh

1988
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,310
Okay, so

1989
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,880
the overall stormwater master plan, that

1990
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,680
framework has included uh many different

1991
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,080
items to include an asset inventory and

1992
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,480
assessment, which has been completed. Um

1993
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,720
there was also a public workshop, um

1994
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,280
which we had last August.

1995
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,800
Uh there is a geo-database management

1996
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,400
and dashboard. I I that was previously

1997
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,520
um

1998
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,200
presented to the board um earlier this

1999
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,520
year.

2000
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,320
An asset condition assessment uh that

2001
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,320
was completed as well. Um and also part

2002
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,840
of the work that was included was a

2003
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,320
hydraulic analysis along South Memorial

2004
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,760
Avenue, which is one of our main

2005
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,320
drainage trunk lines within the town.

2006
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,160
And um this analysis looked at

2007
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,640
identifying any deficiencies within that

2008
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:09,960
network.

2009
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,520
Um and uh improvements that could

2010
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,120
increase the level of service from the

2011
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,880
either a 1-year or 2-year and try to

2012
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,320
increase that up to a 10-year level of

2013
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,920
service.

2014
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,440
Um also, what we're going to talk about

2015
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,240
today is the capital improvement plan

2016
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:33,320
project prioritization and scoring. Um

2017
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:37,080
and then also uh in the works is a

2018
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,240
watershed action plan um which is part

2019
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,080
of the overall scope of work. And that

2020
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,320
will really um enable us to focus in on

2021
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,000
grants not only just related to

2022
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,840
stormwater, but also along the Estuarine

2023
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,680
shoreline.

2024
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,440
And lastly, um all of this is going to

2025
01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:59,560
be combined into a final report um which

2026
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,400
we would like to go ahead and bring back

2027
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,200
to the board at your November meeting,

2028
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,470
which ties all of this together.

2029
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:10,280
All right. So, just for the

2030
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,800
prioritization summary, there is two

2031
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,560
project 22 project areas that were

2032
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,240
prioritized.

2033
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,640
Um they were evaluated based upon um

2034
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,400
scoring that ranges from 0 to 75.

2035
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,040
The highest scored project was the ramp

2036
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,560
one alpha, which is in South Nags Head,

2037
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,280
and that came in at 64 points. And the

2038
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,680
lowest scoring was one of the the

2039
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,440
of the Dune Street improvements, which

2040
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:41,600
is phase 2B, and that's scored at 40

2041
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,680
points.

2042
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,680
But most all of these projects scored

2043
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,680
between 55 to 45

2044
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,360
um points.

2045
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,800
And

2046
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,560
really the lowest cost projects with the

2047
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,040
highest number of residents

2048
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,760
um really those

2049
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,440
were the ones that were scored the the

2050
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:03,470
highest.

2051
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,720
All right. So, included in your packet

2052
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,280
and included in the information um that

2053
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,200
you have before you is a summary table

2054
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,760
which prioritizes

2055
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,840
and ranks all of the 22 projects

2056
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840
along with the score and the cost for

2057
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,560
each one of these projects.

2058
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,200
And then there is also a graph

2059
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,720
uh which goes through the ranking for

2060
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,280
each one of the projects uh ranging from

2061
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,400
that 64 as a high to the 40 as a low uh

2062
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:45,670
for Dune Street phase 2B.

2063
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,560
What we have up on the screen is an

2064
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,280
overall map of where all these project

2065
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,240
areas are located.

2066
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,200
Um you can see we've got a a high

2067
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,040
density of projects

2068
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,920
um from the north end of town up along

2069
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,680
Memorial Avenue

2070
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:01,840
all the way through the Whalebone

2071
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,000
Junction and then in South Nags Head

2072
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,400
down at Ramp 1. And you can see that it

2073
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,600
really does encompass

2074
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,080
um

2075
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,440
primarily all of the all of the town um

2076
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,400
addressing many issues that we have seen

2077
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,880
uh historically and

2078
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,040
some that we've seen more recently that

2079
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,520
have validated that um we continue to

2080
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,160
have problems in some of these low-lying

2081
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,270
areas.

2082
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,600
So, the criteria that was used for scoring

2083
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,400
was through a scoring matrix. And this

2084
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,480
is uh

2085
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:43,840
a matrix that the town currently has in

2086
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,800
the stormwater management um operating

2087
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,360
procedures.

2088
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,000
And it looks at um

2089
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,240
items like flooding frequency, flooding

2090
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,560
impact, existing system condition, uh

2091
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,840
water quality benefits associated with

2092
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,120
projects, um maintenance, the number of

2093
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,760
residents impacted, uh safety, the

2094
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,720
sources of flood. It could be

2095
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,880
rainfall-based, it could be overwash, uh

2096
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,320
with consideration for that, um any

2097
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,800
constraints that may be associated with

2098
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,040
the projects, um budgetary concerns, um

2099
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,880
the location, whether it's within the

2100
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,920
town street, a private street, or within

2101
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,280
the North Carolina Department of

2102
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,360
Transportation right-of-way.

2103
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,520
And then, lastly, flood reduction is

2104
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,240
looking at um the reduction in flood

2105
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,680
time and recession.

2106
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,440
And all of those were assigned

2107
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,040
a uh

2108
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,480
there was three different um scores

2109
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:49,880
for the rating.

2110
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,040
Um

2111
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,240
For example, for flooding frequency, you

2112
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,800
had frequent had a score associated with

2113
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,560
it, occasional, and infrequent.

2114
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,600
And then, there was a weighted

2115
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,720
percentage that was applied to that

2116
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:03,760
item.

2117
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,440
And so, uh

2118
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:08,680
these were looked at for each project, a

2119
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,240
score assigned,

2120
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,120
and able to go ahead and develop the

2121
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,480
overall ranking for each of the

2122
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:19,870
individual projects.

2123
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,480
So, um

2124
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:23,200
I'll try to

2125
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,360
go through this um

2126
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,320
as rapidly as possible. Um

2127
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,920
you've got these sheets included in your

2128
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,280
packet, and this These are the

2129
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,160
individual rankings for each one of the

2130
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,560
projects.

2131
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,520
Uh the ramp one outfall, which was

2132
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,520
ranked um the number one project out of

2133
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,520
the 22 projects identified, um it's got

2134
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,280
a cost of $85,000 associated with it.

2135
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,040
Um it's got the prioritization

2136
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,320
parameters and their associative scores

2137
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,880
and the total score. And um

2138
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,120
in comparison comparison to some of the

2139
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,240
other projects, it's it falls on the

2140
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,880
lower level of cost. It's got the

2141
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,040
highest number of residents impacted

2142
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,640
because of the Westside ditch that spans

2143
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,680
from about James Street all the way down

2144
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,720
to ramp one. That um

2145
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,840
that was one of the major contributing

2146
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,000
factor factors to the high ranking. Uh

2147
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,520
the frequency of flooding down in that

2148
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,240
area, um the need for maintenance, and

2149
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,760
um also the need for safety because a

2150
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,200
lot of the flooding that we see is

2151
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,840
within the roadway surface, and that

2152
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,200
leads to safety concerns associated with

2153
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,280
um vehicular uh circulation throughout

2154
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,840
that area.

2155
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,040
Um

2156
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,400
South Memorial Avenue, as I had noted

2157
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,520
before, there was a hydraulic analysis

2158
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,000
done on Memorial Avenue, and it

2159
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,760
identified some improvements

2160
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,800
through um

2161
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,720
throughout that corridor,

2162
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,280
and the highest ranking one was up in

2163
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,400
the Admiral Street

2164
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:05,960
um area.

2165
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,960
Now, this is broken out into two parts

2166
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,760
uh with the sidewalk improvements

2167
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,920
um that are ongoing that will continue

2168
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,480
this fall that we were able to go ahead

2169
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:19,320
and take care of a portion of these

2170
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,120
drainage improvements with that work.

2171
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,000
And this would be the second half of

2172
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,880
that work, which spans along the east

2173
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,160
side of South Memorial Avenue from

2174
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,080
Admiral Admiral Street um and proceeding

2175
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,520
northward.

2176
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,360
And that would be

2177
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,240
really upsizing the existing um storm

2178
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,880
drain system within that area.

2179
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,600
And uh the cost of that is about

2180
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,160
$180,000.

2181
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,240
It's got some low site constraints. It's

2182
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,840
got some safety improvements.

2183
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,600
Um and also just the number of

2184
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,840
residences in that area that are

2185
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,280
impacted by drainage. Um and this being

2186
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,240
a critical segment for that, that this

2187
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,880
led to the um

2188
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,160
the ranking of number two overall of the

2189
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:14,710
uh 22 identified.

2190
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,520
The third ranked project is Sound Side

2191
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,080
Road phase one.

2192
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,160
Um we've seen it out here most recently

2193
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,120
with rainfall runoff and extensive

2194
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,360
ponding

2195
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,480
uh along this corridor.

2196
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:31,000
That this would comprise uh putting in a

2197
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,760
36-in diameter

2198
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,160
um trunk network, which would span from

2199
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,440
the very south end of uh

2200
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,760
Sound Side Road um up towards uh the

2201
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,240
curve where we have existing

2202
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,760
infrastructure.

2203
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,400
Um this is a relatively high cost

2204
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,560
project at $750,000.

2205
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,520
Um but due to the frequency of flooding

2206
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,560
and the number of residences impacted um

2207
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:06,480
as well as um other factors that uh this

2208
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:09,560
was ranked uh number three out of the 22

2209
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,320
projects.

2210
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,720
The um fourth ranked project is Dune

2211
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,520
Street phase one.

2212
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,440
Um that's another project where we've

2213
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:20,360
seen flooding at the intersection of

2214
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,720
South Virginia Dare Trail and Dune

2215
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,640
Street with a pretty high frequency.

2216
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,400
And so, this would be potentially the

2217
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,600
first phase of a three-phase project uh

2218
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,040
where we could go ahead and we could

2219
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,320
capture some of the runoff, most of this

2220
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,640
runoff uh which is seen from the

2221
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,360
adjoining shopping center to be able to

2222
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,560
go ahead and capture that and infiltrate

2223
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,000
that locally. Um

2224
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,120
this has got a a medium-level cost. Um,

2225
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,400
it doesn't have as many residents

2226
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,720
impacted by it, but because of the

2227
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,200
frequency in in flooding and the um

2228
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,560
safety concerns with the flooding at

2229
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,960
this intersection, um it ranked number

2230
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,640
four.

2231
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Um South Memorial Avenue

2232
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:07,840
that um

2233
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,960
uh again, as part of this overall

2234
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,280
network and the number of residents that

2235
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,400
it serves along on this uh main trunk

2236
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,040
line, um this is in the area of East

2237
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,920
Baltic Street and this would be

2238
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,280
increasing the existing pipe size of

2239
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,600
that storm network in order to increase

2240
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,880
that current level of service from a

2241
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,200
one-year storm um to a two-year storm

2242
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,000
in some case and uh a 10-year storm on

2243
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,440
the outermost pipes uh for this

2244
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:45,990
proposal.

2245
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,590
The

2246
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:49,560
um

2247
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:50,560
I

2248
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,840
some of these projects you'll see

2249
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,920
they'll receive the same ranking and

2250
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,440
that is because they both achieve the

2251
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,080
same score.

2252
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,760
And so, um you'll see that in the

2253
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,400
summary list and that's noted on each

2254
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,240
one of these individual sheets. So, East

2255
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,880
Epstein Street is an example of that

2256
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,680
where this is ranked number four with

2257
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:17,280
the uh South Memorial Avenue project.

2258
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,400
This is a relatively low-cost project.

2259
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,680
This finishes off some of the work that

2260
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,720
we started along South Virginia Dare

2261
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,680
Trail back in 2019

2262
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,000
and this will go ahead and connect from

2263
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,640
Epstein Street down to the north side of

2264
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,400
town hall and then also continue on over

2265
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,680
to fire station 16 and make some

2266
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,320
improvements there since this is part of

2267
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,400
an overall network within the village

2268
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,480
that starts at Seven Sisters and then

2269
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,280
flows all the way through the village

2270
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,200
through the golf course and out to the

2271
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,200
sound. And so it's important to

2272
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,640
have the downstream part of this network

2273
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,040
in place prior to making upstream

2274
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,520
improvements. Otherwise um

2275
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,040
if you don't do it within that sequence,

2276
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,840
you'll continue to have flooding at the

2277
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,950
upstream ends.

2278
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,800
Uh the next project is Memorial Avenue.

2279
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,000
Uh this is identified as area one and

2280
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,840
this is a relatively low-cost project

2281
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,640
and this is up-sizing some culvert pipes

2282
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,040
um at select residences just south of

2283
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,160
Atlas Street.

2284
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,680
Uh there are several of the culvert

2285
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,160
pipes at that location that are

2286
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,120
undersized and this would be up-sizing

2287
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:41,160
and

2288
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,800
bringing more continuity to the overall

2289
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,870
drainage network.

2290
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,320
Uh the eighth ranked project is West

2291
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:50,960
Lookout Road.

2292
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,800
Um this is a

2293
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,440
an area over in the Northridge

2294
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:56,920
subdivision

2295
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,880
um especially during

2296
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,480
um large rainfall events where they've

2297
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:03,480
had some significant flooding back on

2298
01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:05,280
these residences.

2299
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:06,640
And so

2300
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,000
this is a um

2301
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,360
high level of residences impacted. Um

2302
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,120
it's got some high constraints because

2303
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,880
there's also the potential for back flow

2304
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,760
from the uh Westside ditch along 158.

2305
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,480
And it uh it will have some increased uh

2306
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,640
maintenance needs associated with it.

2307
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,320
And the cost for this project is

2308
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,070
approximately $340,000.

2309
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:34,440
Um

2310
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:36,800
also rank eight is the Seven Sisters

2311
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,240
subdivision.

2312
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,240
And as I had noted before, it's the

2313
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:42,800
focus would be on the downstream

2314
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,320
improvements first before you could see

2315
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:46,720
the impacts

2316
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,400
for the Seven Sisters subdivision. Um

2317
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,960
this is a subdivision where most of the

2318
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,680
building pads are up high and the road

2319
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,720
sits low. So, after a rainfall event of

2320
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,720
two or three inches, you'll see some

2321
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,320
pretty extensive ponding um within that

2322
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,920
subdivision. And it it does flood at a

2323
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,000
pretty high frequency. And so, with the

2324
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,120
improvements that we've made and then

2325
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,880
also um with the one scheduled for

2326
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,600
Epstein Street, that we could see some

2327
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,920
major improvement with the installation

2328
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,520
of a storm drain uh collection network

2329
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,840
to be able to drain out this subdivision

2330
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:34,190
after a uh rainfall event.

2331
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,440
Um also rank number eight is South Old

2332
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:41,480
Road phase one. Um this is another

2333
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,560
street that's on the south side um off

2334
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,280
of uh Lakeside Ave that uh floods with a

2335
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,520
pretty high frequency.

2336
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,480
And this could be part of a phased

2337
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:57,800
approach. And so, the um phase one would

2338
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,760
consist of installing uh

2339
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,880
a uh drainage network in this area uh

2340
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,600
that could be made up of perforated sock

2341
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,240
pipe that would aid with infiltration in

2342
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:18,600
this area and improve the level of service

2343
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,080
from what is currently being seen after

2344
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:26,190
a rainfall event.

2345
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,040
Also ranked eighth was the Wellborn

2346
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:29,640
Junction area.

2347
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,840
This is a an area that we see with a

2348
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,120
pretty high frequency of flooding.

2349
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,520
We have

2350
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,640
a lot of standing water especially in

2351
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,560
the area of the Dune Burger and the

2352
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,280
surrounding area and so this would be an

2353
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,640
attempt to go ahead and formalize that

2354
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,720
network with connections to an existing

2355
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,360
ditch network

2356
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:56,760
that has existing conveyance out to the

2357
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,000
sound through the Catfish Farm.

2358
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,040
This is a relatively high project cost

2359
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,400
and only a minimal number residences

2360
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,880
that would be impacted. But

2361
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,280
this could make a major improvement in

2362
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,320
that area

2363
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,480
which I had noted does flood at a pretty

2364
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,390
good frequency.

2365
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,800
Got Memorial Avenue area number three.

2366
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,720
This is a low cost project. This is near

2367
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,120
the intersection of Bonnett Street and

2368
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,200
this is essentially

2369
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,720
just a replacement of a single pipe in

2370
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:39,590
order to increase that level of service.

2371
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,440
Project rank number 13 is Buccaneer

2372
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:44,200
Drive.

2373
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:45,960
This is also over in the North Ridge

2374
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:52,520
subdivision. This is very similar to the Lookout Drive um

2375
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,560
project in that it has low lying areas

2376
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,800
that backs up to the west side ditch

2377
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,600
along 158.

2378
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,600
And um this would take a very similar

2379
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,960
approach with the improvement of

2380
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,720
infrastructure within this area

2381
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,920
and then conveyance out to the 158

2382
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,040
ditch. Um and the addition of a backflow

2383
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,760
preventer to ensure that we don't solve

2384
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,080
a problem and create a problem at the

2385
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,270
same time.

2386
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,680
Uh Carolinian Excuse me, Carolinian

2387
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,240
Circle um is also ranked number 14. This

2388
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:33,960
was on the previous stormwater master

2389
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,920
plan um and um did not move forward. Uh

2390
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,800
this would take a little different

2391
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,680
approach than what was previously

2392
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,520
proposed, and this would be the

2393
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,440
installation of a storm drain collection

2394
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:50,480
network that would tie into the existing

2395
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:53,760
drainage network out at 158.

2396
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,400
The uh estimated cost for this is

2397
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,720
approximately $425,000.

2398
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:00,640
Um

2399
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,480
this does

2400
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:05,000
this area does um flood occasionally,

2401
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,680
but especially when we have significant

2402
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,040
rainfall. Um we do see extensive ponding

2403
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,590
back in this area.

2404
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:14,680
Um

2405
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,560
also [clears throat] ranked number 14 is

2406
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,520
Sound Side Road phase two. Um

2407
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,240
and this is the area in the Southridge

2408
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,680
subdivision. When we had our our public

2409
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,320
workshop, we had several homeowners from

2410
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:33,360
this area along Ridgeview Way um who had talked about some of the issues back

2411
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,800
there. So, this would be improvements

2412
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,120
that would extend from from Ridgeview

2413
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,560
Way out to Sound Side Road to and

2414
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,040
connect up to the existing

2415
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,720
infrastructure there with Sound Side

2416
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:53,230
Road phase one.

2417
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:57,280
Sound Sound Road Road phase three

2418
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:01,360
is the um is the pumping station, which

2419
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:05,040
we previously had at the intersection of

2420
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,040
Dearing Street and Soundside Road and

2421
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,840
have relocated this northward uh to an

2422
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,720
undeveloped parcel that would connect to

2423
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,360
the existing infrastructure from from

2424
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,600
South Ridge and from Soundside Road and

2425
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,200
be able to um

2426
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,960
take that, pump that over to two

2427
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,760
undeveloped parcels along Soundside

2428
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,880
Road. Um this is a pretty expensive

2429
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,760
project due to the cost of uh property

2430
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,120
purchase.

2431
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:40,280
Um and that cost is about $1.8 million,

2432
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,800
but what it does is it connects

2433
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,160
the two other projects

2434
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,440
plus

2435
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,280
Dearing Street

2436
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,240
to provide a comprehensive

2437
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,720
um drainage solution in this area.

2438
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,560
Um and uh Dearing Street, which was

2439
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,960
ranked at number 17

2440
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:01,640
that

2441
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,680
this is a relatively low-cost project

2442
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,760
and it would be the installation of or

2443
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,640
the restoration of swales and the

2444
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,720
installation of some storm pipe in this

2445
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,720
area for conveyance to the Soundside

2446
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,160
Road system, which then is connected up

2447
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,600
to the pump system to be able to provide

2448
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:24,190
some relief in this area.

2449
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:25,160
Um

2450
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,320
also ranked number 18 is West Bluejay

2451
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:28,520
Street.

2452
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,560
Uh the cost for this is $270,000.

2453
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,720
Uh this is a medium project cost and

2454
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:36,760
this

2455
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,440
is the function of topography. You've

2456
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,080
got some very high elevations to the

2457
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,600
west that intersect there at Bluejay

2458
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,720
Street and Pamlico Ave. And so by going

2459
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,520
ahead and capturing that runoff, um

2460
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,520
minimize the impact to some of those

2461
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,040
um lower-lying residences there on the

2462
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:02,990
south side of Blue Jay Street.

2463
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:07,560
Um South Old Road base two. Um this was

2464
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:11,720
previously discussed as a potential um

2465
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,240
second part of the phase one

2466
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,160
improvements. And this would be a a

2467
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,240
pretty um costly project because this

2468
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,800
would tie into the existing

2469
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,280
infrastructure at Old Road. And then it

2470
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,440
would use it would incorporate a pump

2471
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:32,120
station and then pump out to um several

2472
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:39,670
undeveloped parcels out by 158.

2473
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,040
All right. And lastly, we've got

2474
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,920
Barracuda Drive,

2475
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,720
which is uh ranked number 22.

2476
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,880
And this takes three different areas. Um

2477
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,680
this takes uh

2478
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,080
an an existing issue out at Mackerel

2479
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,200
Court with

2480
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,600
um some lower-lying elevations to be

2481
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,400
able to capture runoff um as well as

2482
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,000
Salmon Court and then near the

2483
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:10,160
intersection of Hesperides and Barracuda

2484
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:11,640
Drive

2485
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,880
to be able to capture that road roadway

2486
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,320
runoff um

2487
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,880
in advance of being discharged onto some

2488
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,720
of the adjoining properties. And a lot

2489
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,240
of this is just a function of topography

2490
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:25,520
is that we've got some really high

2491
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,040
elevations. We've got water that flows

2492
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,080
pretty rapidly through there and being

2493
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,240
able to capture and um try to infiltrate

2494
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,120
that locally um so it minimizes any

2495
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,630
impact on the adjoining residences.

2496
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,440
Uh

2497
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:43,440
Um

2498
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,760
Yeah, you have to excuse me.

2499
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,710
That slide was out of sequence.

2500
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,560
Um cuz we still have the last two are

2501
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,800
Dune Street um

2502
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,400
phase 2A

2503
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,120
and then 2B

2504
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,240
and then this could be a second and

2505
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,080
third part of Dune Street

2506
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:08,000
where the second part would include the

2507
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,640
installation of a storm pipe collection

2508
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,480
system spanning from the intersection of

2509
01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:17,440
Dune Street up to uh an existing ditch

2510
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:21,000
about 1/4 mile to the north of there.

2511
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,880
That ditch then connects up to the 158

2512
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:28,240
roadway network and then to the um

2513
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:32,950
Soundside Road drainage network.

2514
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,800
And then 2B

2515
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,880
would be a project that would include as

2516
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,560
needed the purchase of a parcel, an

2517
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:43,840
undeveloped parcel there at the

2518
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,200
intersection of Dune Street and South

2519
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,760
Virginia Dare Trail and utilize that as

2520
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,240
an infiltration area

2521
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,640
uh if needed as part of the other

2522
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,200
improvements with the phase one and

2523
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:04,030
phase 2A.

2524
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:05,480
Okay, so

2525
01:41:05,480 --> 01:41:06,640
the um

2526
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,600
key findings with all this is the ramp

2527
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,960
one um outflow that ramp number one

2528
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,400
um followed by the Memorial Avenue area

2529
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,640
two

2530
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,800
and then Soundside Road phase one. Um

2531
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,720
those roads to the top just because of

2532
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,000
the fact of the frequency of flooding,

2533
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,400
the number of residents it served um and

2534
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:33,160
the lower end of the the cost.

2535
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,440
The um

2536
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:36,680
Typically

2537
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,680
these projects um scored higher as

2538
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:44,920
um the cost decreased. And so, um

2539
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,520
that, in conjunction with the fact that

2540
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,080
you had a lot of surrounding residences

2541
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:53,040
that were impacted by it, um they had a

2542
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,080
tendency to go ahead and score higher.

2543
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:59,800
So, next steps in the process

2544
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,920
is that we would like to receive any

2545
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,440
board feedback as to the the ranking for

2546
01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:08,080
these projects.

2547
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,680
Um what staff would like to do is once

2548
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,600
we receive the feedback,

2549
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:19,200
we would like then to refine the the priorities, and then try to pair

2550
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,240
those up with other project work that we

2551
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,600
currently have in our CIP over the next

2552
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,880
5 years, similar to what we've done in

2553
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,080
the past, and then we would come back to

2554
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,840
you, potentially at your fall retreat,

2555
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,120
um with that refined list, um to ensure

2556
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,520
that um we follow that approach that

2557
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,840
we've taken over the past uh 4 or 5

2558
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,670
years.

2559
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:42,640
Um

2560
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,560
and then lastly, we'd like to go and and

2561
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,760
present the final report to the board um

2562
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,080
here in November that encapsulate

2563
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:53,600
all of the work that has been done

2564
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,600
associated with the stormwater master

2565
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,990
plan.

2566
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:01,306
There's a lot to cover there.

2567
01:43:01,306 --> 01:43:01,880
>> [clears throat]

2568
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:02,616
>> And uh

2569
01:43:02,616 --> 01:43:03,720
>> [laughter]

2570
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,520
>> just uh any initial thoughts or feedback

2571
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,960
with you we can have some time for you

2572
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,840
to go ahead and try to digest it and uh

2573
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,000
share it with the town manager if you

2574
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,840
like, but if there's any initial

2575
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,840
thoughts um that you would like to share

2576
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,520
that maybe something seems out of place

2577
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,160
or something that we should start to

2578
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:27,200
look at uh sooner rather than later.

2579
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,080
>> Thank you, David. Any immediate

2580
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:30,080
questions?

2581
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:30,800
>> I have a question.

2582
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:31,240
>> Okay.

2583
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,440
>> Um with properties that are bordering

2584
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:36,600
waterways like the sound and maybe ramp

2585
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,560
one on the ocean, why was no ranking

2586
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,680
given to water quality?

2587
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,320
They all they all have a a none

2588
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,430
for water quality.

2589
01:43:48,440 --> 01:43:50,880
» Um so for ramp one,

2590
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:56,120
um that that would include the installation

2591
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,120
of a backflow preventer at that

2592
01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:59,960
location.

2593
01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:02,880
And that doesn't have any treatment

2594
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,480
associated with it. But what that can do

2595
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,960
is that can eliminate the ebb and flow

2596
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,040
of water through that ditch system.

2597
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,440
Which we see that consistently. We don't

2598
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,800
have that here in the north end cuz

2599
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,080
there are some backflow preventers on

2600
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,000
some of the northernmost outfalls,

2601
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,960
Soundside Road, Conk Street, Curlew

2602
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,880
Street, as well as Gallery Row. And so

2603
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,000
there is

2604
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,440
There's Since there's not a specific

2605
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:34,080
treatment mechanism associated with

2606
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,160
that, we can't say that it qualifies for

2607
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:38,840
water quality benefits.

2608
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,680
>> Okay.

2609
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,080
So flooding for instance on Soundside

2610
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,960
Road or Old Road,

2611
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,520
you're saying because it's not going to

2612
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,440
be treated for water quality, we can't

2613
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:52,480
count it as a water quality project. Is

2614
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:54,240
that what you're saying?

2615
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,920
>> Well, currently as presented. And and so

2616
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,920
these are just looking at the the

2617
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:03,360
stormwater aspect of it. Now, if we get

2618
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,000
to phase four

2619
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,720
for Soundside Road, there's going to be

2620
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,560
a water quality benefit to that since

2621
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,320
we're using

2622
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,640
infiltration practices which are natural

2623
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:18,040
practices that that can filter out

2624
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:19,840
pollutants and sediment.

2625
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:21,120
Um

2626
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:22,360
but

2627
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:23,920
when you look at the three other

2628
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,280
projects that it's connected to,

2629
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,640
that those are just

2630
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:30,960
those

2631
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,000
can have a water quality benefit

2632
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:33,760
>> Mhm.

2633
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,520
>> through infiltration, but if the ground

2634
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,920
is saturated it starts to lose that

2635
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,040
water quality benefit.

2636
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:39,600
>> Okay.

2637
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,440
>> And that's a lot of what we've seen here

2638
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:42,280
recently.

2639
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:43,440
>> Okay.

2640
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:44,760
And then another question I had for

2641
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,640
those same projects, Sound Side Road and

2642
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,000
Old Road

2643
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:52,640
the the flooding source was only rain

2644
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:53,920
but I think both of those sites would

2645
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,440
flood from tidal

2646
01:45:57,440 --> 01:45:59,880
water as well. So, was that not factored

2647
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:01,960
in?

2648
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,120
>> I think it was, huh?

2649
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:03,960
>> Sound Side.

2650
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:05,040
>> Overwash?

2651
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:06,600
yes.

2652
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,600
>> Yeah, yeah, so

2653
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,640
>> Yeah, not tidal as much as overwash.

2654
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:10,840
>> Overwash.

2655
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:11,680
>> Right?

2656
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,680
>> Yeah, yeah, so um overwash and tidal

2657
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:16,520
influence, yeah, should be considered

2658
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:17,360
for both.

2659
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:25,910
>> Okay.

2660
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:26,520
Thank you.

2661
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,200
>> I have kind of a general question about

2662
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,920
the relationship between phases.

2663
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:35,160
So, the the value of of one phase

2664
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,680
now and say we never got past phase one

2665
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,880
or two, how does how is that

2666
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,520
accounted for or is it just I know it's

2667
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,880
accounted for in your mind, but

2668
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,360
>> There there are different ways that we

2669
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:49,280
can approach this.

2670
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:49,840
>> Right.

2671
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,960
>> Um if we were able to go ahead and

2672
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,120
secure some grants

2673
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:55,360
that we could look at these more

2674
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,400
collectively and we could knock these

2675
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,440
out all as a single project.

2676
01:47:00,440 --> 01:47:01,600
But

2677
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,920
also looking at the cost of each one of

2678
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,480
these projects

2679
01:47:05,480 --> 01:47:09,040
is that it may not make it feasible to

2680
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,480
incorporate that into

2681
01:47:11,480 --> 01:47:13,120
our annual

2682
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,840
CIP. So, we just try to make it a little

2683
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,040
bit more digestible and that we can look

2684
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,320
at this in time

2685
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,640
and just spread those funds out over a

2686
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,160
period of time to incorporate these

2687
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:24,880
improvements.

2688
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,670
>> Mhm.

2689
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,840
And the Sound Side projects

2690
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,760
for them all to really work, we need to

2691
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,560
get to that last one.

2692
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,160
Or for them to work well?

2693
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,600
>> Um we need to get to the third phase.

2694
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,280
>> The third phase. So if we I get off

2695
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,520
biting it off, but if we don't if a

2696
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,120
future board decides not to do the

2697
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,760
third, those first two are kind of

2698
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,840
>> There is So

2699
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:50,600
I I think the critical component is

2700
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,360
going ahead and getting it in in the

2701
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,760
infrastructure for that phase one.

2702
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:55,480
>> Okay.

2703
01:47:55,480 --> 01:47:57,640
>> Once you have that in, then you could

2704
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,360
swap out phase two and phase three. So

2705
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:01,800
you could go ahead and put the pump

2706
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,480
system in then and then all the

2707
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,600
subsequent phases, you could go ahead

2708
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:07,960
and connect up to it.

2709
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,040
>> Okay.

2710
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,960
>> So there there is some flexibility with

2711
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,240
each one of these phases and it doesn't

2712
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:16,480
lock you into a certain sequence.

2713
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:17,480
Um

2714
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:19,800
and it just gives us more flexibility to

2715
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:24,200
be able to adapt um because uh we

2716
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,760
My experience is

2717
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,200
we always

2718
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,120
change things up based upon the current

2719
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:30,720
conditions. That could be cuz of

2720
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:32,560
funding, that could be

2721
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,960
um based upon other factors, but just

2722
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,840
trying to give us our ourselves the most

2723
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,280
flexibility to be able to work within

2724
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,200
the framework, I think is is what we're shooting for.

2725
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,680
>> But ideally if we start biting into the

2726
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,320
Sound Side projects, we would want to

2727
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,280
have the plan long-term that we would be

2728
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:50,200
doing all of them.

2729
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:50,800
>> Yes.

2730
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:51,320
>> Okay.

2731
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,760
>> And and I think the other thing too is

2732
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,120
with that watershed action plan, it does

2733
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,160
um open us up ourselves up to additional

2734
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,560
grant opportunities that we can go ahead

2735
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,280
and pair with some of the SR and

2736
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:05,840
shoreline work.

2737
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:06,160
>> And the work

2738
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,080
>> And that's a good point.

2739
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,480
>> If you want to qualify for some grants,

2740
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:11,720
you're probably going to have to do

2741
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,800
phase three cuz that has the water

2742
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,480
quality benefit and the water quality

2743
01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:17,080
benefit is what

2744
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:18,440
gets the money.

2745
01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:20,200
>> And the other phases probably make us

2746
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:20,640
want to do something.

2747
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,120
>> that that one might be one that you

2748
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:23,640
bundle together

2749
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,760
even with the resiliency project on the

2750
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:26,640
shoreline.

2751
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:27,720
>> Yeah, I was going to ask about

2752
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:28,920
>> And and that's probably how we would

2753
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:30,720
look at it. And there as David was

2754
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:31,920
mentioning

2755
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,560
you know, this this prioritization of

2756
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:34,400
this

2757
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,080
stormwater projects is looking at this

2758
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,880
kind of singularly in a vacuum, but

2759
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,320
we're not going to look at it like that

2760
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,120
when we do our CIP.

2761
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:42,280
>> Okay.

2762
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:43,800
>> And then we're going to look at how

2763
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:45,040
these tie together with the other

2764
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,680
streets projects like

2765
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,000
overlay work, paving work waterline work

2766
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:50,920
and then we're going to have to put

2767
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,040
things in order based on what we can

2768
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,440
accomplish, you know, financially but

2769
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:57,680
also what we can get grants for.

2770
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:58,840
And so

2771
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,520
the one thing that I I noticed about

2772
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,600
this is that once you get past the first

2773
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,560
couple of projects, the scores are so

2774
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,160
close together that you know, you can

2775
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,160
really move one move them around um

2776
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:11,400
because they're

2777
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,320
it's not like one has a drastic benefit

2778
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,480
over another. And so that that's helpful

2779
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:17,160
when we go to do the CIP cuz we're going

2780
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:22,400
to be opportunistic in the CIP. Like if we need to move a project up because

2781
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,080
we only have that much money that year,

2782
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,920
then we'll do it. If we get a grant for

2783
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,640
a project, and we're going to combine it

2784
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:28,600
with some other work, we're going to

2785
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,800
move it up. And so we'll we'll try to do

2786
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:33,480
our best to

2787
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:36,080
come up with a plan for the CIP

2788
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,760
you know, for the next 5 years but then

2789
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,680
the board always looks at it every year.

2790
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,000
And then so it it ends up being an

2791
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,080
iterative process. So even though we try

2792
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,160
to, you know, do our best

2793
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:48,600
>> Right.

2794
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,200
>> you're going to move things around and

2795
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,000
that's what we've been doing with with

2796
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,720
the sidewalks, with the streets, you

2797
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:55,520
know, over the years we've been doing

2798
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:56,640
that.

2799
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,240
And then David mentioned the retreat and

2800
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:00,480
this is something we've been talking to

2801
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:02,360
the board about. You know, we're going

2802
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:03,560
to have to

2803
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:05,200
sort of build this into our financial

2804
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:06,800
model as well

2805
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,880
and and figure out like the funding

2806
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,840
levels we need to do what we want to do.

2807
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,680
Our hope is to try and model that for

2808
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,040
the board, so the board can say, "Okay,

2809
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,440
we want to be able to afford to do X, Y,

2810
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:21,640
and Z, and so that's how much money

2811
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:22,680
we're going to have to figure out how to

2812
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,880
come up with to do that."

2813
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,680
And then the board can settle on, you

2814
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:26,971
know,

2815
01:51:26,971 --> 01:51:27,520
>> [snorts]

2816
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,360
>> that cuz that that leads into revenue

2817
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:32,320
and taxes and things like that.

2818
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,120
>> And with the phases, our grant

2819
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,320
eligibility probably increases if we're

2820
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,360
proactive with other phases.

2821
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,200
>> Yes, I think but like the water the

2822
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:44,840
water quality benefit, I think cuz when we with the grants we've gotten so

2823
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:46,520
far for a lot of these projects like

2824
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,680
RCCP and land land and water fund, David

2825
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,440
mentioned the watershed action plan,

2826
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:52,680
they're going to be looking for a water

2827
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:53,920
quality benefit

2828
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:54,360
>> Okay.

2829
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:56,680
>> for for those grants. And so, just doing

2830
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:58,560
a flood control project might not make

2831
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,600
us score as high as if you include a

2832
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,360
water quality component. And I think

2833
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,040
that's the purpose of us doing the

2834
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,040
watershed action plan is to make

2835
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,360
ourselves more position ourselves for

2836
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,200
those grants.

2837
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,240
>> Yeah.

2838
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:12,040
>> So,

2839
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:12,880
I hope that's clear.

2840
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,120
>> Thank you.

2841
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,600
>> That is correct.

2842
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,280
And really the intent of the the scoring

2843
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,240
was to go ahead and look at this in an

2844
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:24,160
objective manner.

2845
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,640
Um noting that

2846
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:29,000
sequentially, this may not play out like

2847
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:31,360
this. Uh we've seen this on prior master

2848
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,200
plans where we've had to go ahead and

2849
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,720
adapt based upon other project work that

2850
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,960
we could incorporate this into. So,

2851
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,360
um this was just an exercise to go ahead

2852
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,520
and come up with a ranking noting that

2853
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:46,080
there are other factors that may um

2854
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:47,640
take a little bit more weight to go

2855
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,840
ahead and shift things up, but like the

2856
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,080
town manager said, the scoring is so

2857
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:54,240
close on so many of these projects, it's

2858
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:55,480
like

2859
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:56,600
you know, you you can go in many

2860
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,520
different ways.

2861
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:59,920
>> It's a little scary, too, when you see

2862
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:01,293
these numbers, but

2863
01:53:01,293 --> 01:53:01,480
>> [laughter]

2864
01:53:01,480 --> 01:53:02,960
>> the um

2865
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,280
And I've seen previous plans where it

2866
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,680
was worse than this, but you know, every

2867
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:07,960
time we um

2868
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:09,320
get into

2869
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,000
the the 2-year budget and we start

2870
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,440
putting these projects in a 2-year

2871
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:15,360
budget, you know, I think what typically

2872
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,040
happens is these these are very

2873
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,720
high-level looks at these projects. Once

2874
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,800
David gets a hold of it,

2875
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,280
then, you know, he can start to really

2876
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,600
refine these projects into something

2877
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:27,480
that's manageable,

2878
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:30,040
you know, and so, that's all it's always

2879
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,080
evolving, you know.

2880
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,990
And so, um

2881
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,520
» No, it's a very comprehensive plan, and

2882
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,880
my question was about funding, but both

2883
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:42,120
of you have kind of answered that for

2884
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:43,880
me, so I appreciate it. Yeah. No, I

2885
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:45,560
appreciate it.

2886
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,800
>> Yeah, this is very helpful.

2887
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,880
>> I wanted to say one thing as the and we David and I

2888
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,200
talked about it cuz obviously, you know,

2889
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:54,440
it started raining right when David

2890
01:53:54,440 --> 01:53:55,658
started speaking.

2891
01:53:55,658 --> 01:53:56,520
>> [laughter]

2892
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:57,560
>> But, um

2893
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,680
you know, what we've been dealing with the past week with the the rainfall

2894
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,520
and then obviously last week with with

2895
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:03,240
the

2896
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:05,160
Conk Street area, you know, we had an we

2897
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,440
had an issue there and largely with the

2898
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:09,560
outfall, but that is probably an area

2899
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,560
that does need something and it's not in

2900
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,880
this plan, and David David's response to

2901
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,960
me was, "Well, you know, we can't keep

2902
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,360
doing everything along NC 12

2903
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,800
just in a vacuum. We've got to involve

2904
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,400
DOT and get their participation."

2905
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,680
And so, I think that's really what our

2906
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,640
goal should be however we can do that.

2907
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,280
Um David's already engaged them about

2908
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,600
the outfall and what's going on there.

2909
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,160
But, I think that that may be something

2910
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,440
that we look at maybe separate from this

2911
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:40,680
plan.

2912
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:41,960
And if we have to eventually come up

2913
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:43,480
with something and incorporate it into

2914
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,320
this, we can,

2915
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:46,920
but, you know, really getting them to

2916
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:50,760
sort of take the lead on on some of that stuff.

2917
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,280
Yeah, and you can see on here, you know,

2918
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:54,520
you've got

2919
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,880
um Virginia Dare Trail in the village.

2920
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,680
You've got Virginia Dare Trail at Dune

2921
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,240
Street. I mean, we're already proposing

2922
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,840
to put piping in a lot of the Virginia

2923
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:04,040
Dare Trail,

2924
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,040
you know, as part of this plan. So.

2925
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,320
>> Yeah, we had the ability to log a lot of

2926
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:10,920
time out there by the Conchs Street

2927
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:13,760
intersection here recently and see how

2928
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:15,440
that system works.

2929
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,800
Um yeah, that there there's definitely

2930
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:19,560
room for improvement there.

2931
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:21,440
Uh but there are some things that people

2932
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:25,040
don't always notice is the influence of

2933
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,480
uh groundwater rise, especially during

2934
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,680
um frequent rainfall events. Um we're

2935
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,680
seeing a lot of that throughout town.

2936
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:36,520
And we've gotten numerous phone calls

2937
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:38,800
from here in the village, South Nags

2938
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,360
Head, um not so much in the north end of

2939
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,000
town. Um but

2940
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,760
when you have

2941
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,960
month of July, we had 15 days of rain

2942
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:49,960
out of the 31 days.

2943
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:51,320
Um

2944
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,560
South Nags Head, I think

2945
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,600
got hit the hardest.

2946
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:57,840
Um and then as you progressively went

2947
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,800
north, um

2948
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,520
it it was not as severe as some of the

2949
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:04,120
other impacts that we've seen throughout

2950
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,080
town.

2951
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:08,360
But um groundwater rise, especially

2952
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:10,880
during saturated conditions, limits our

2953
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,200
ability to infiltrate. Infiltration is

2954
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,520
our main way of managing storm water

2955
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,040
runoff.

2956
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,440
Um and conveyance is

2957
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:22,720
really plays back up to infiltration.

2958
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:25,360
And when infiltration doesn't occur,

2959
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,040
then that's when we really have

2960
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,400
extensive flooding throughout our area.

2961
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,760
Um and we we were able to observe the

2962
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,800
conditions um post rainfall and just

2963
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:37,280
really see

2964
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,720
how much groundwater plays into some of

2965
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:42,240
the localized flooding. Um

2966
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:43,760
but it's been helpful that we've had our

2967
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,480
groundwater wells because it really

2968
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:47,680
gives us an indication of how much that

2969
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,440
groundwater comes up over a period of

2970
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:50,480
time.

2971
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:54,720
Um Connor shared some data

2972
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,840
um here recently. It was uh Thursday,

2973
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:59,280
Friday, we had back-to-back storm

2974
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:02,120
events. We saw the water table rise 2

2975
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:03,040
and 1/2 ft

2976
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:03,560
>> Oh my god.

2977
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:05,520
>> over that period. Wow.

2978
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:06,800
And

2979
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,920
what I don't have a sense of because

2980
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,720
it's been very difficult. There's been

2981
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:13,960
more rainfall events after that, but

2982
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,400
it's it's stayed up pretty high, and

2983
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,760
it's starting to come back down, but

2984
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,160
every rainfall we event we have after

2985
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:23,960
that, it keeps on going back up.

2986
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:25,680
And and that

2987
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,520
primarily what we're seeing in these

2988
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,080
here recently that's led to a lot of

2989
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,240
concern from a lot of people in this

2990
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:35,200
area that, "Hey, I've never seen this

2991
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:36,600
before."

2992
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:39,360
I I can't recall in recent history

2993
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:40,560
having

2994
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,520
this amount of rainfall over this time

2995
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,160
period with this frequency.

2996
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:49,720
Um I I can probably recite the rainfall

2997
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:53,440
that we had back in 2016, '17, and '18.

2998
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:56,840
Back in 2012. Back in the early 2000s,

2999
01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:00,600
but I don't recall a pattern like this.

3000
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:02,320
Um

3001
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,480
and especially in the south end of town,

3002
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:07,080
which has got hit the hardest, and the

3003
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,880
central part of town

3004
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:13,920
that we've had this frequency of rainfall without

3005
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,640
having the availability to recover.

3006
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:18,760
And until we get that drying out period

3007
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,920
and that recovery period, I think we're

3008
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,360
still going to see a lot of this water

3009
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:26,910
persist.

3010
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:29,320
» It would be there would if especially if

3011
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:30,800
there's more to it than what you just

3012
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,040
expressed, cuz that's pretty

3013
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:33,360
fascinating.

3014
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,840
Um some of our learnings from our from

3015
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,880
our wells, I think I think I would love

3016
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:39,840
to hear some of that.

3017
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,400
>> I'd love to hear a presentation.

3018
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,680
>> Okay. [laughter] Uh about that. I think

3019
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:45,000
that would be I think that would be

3020
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,280
fascinating. Uh what what we're learning

3021
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:48,600
from that. I'd love to see a

3022
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,040
presentation in one of our meetings.

3023
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:53,000
>> Yes, and I I think just trying to figure

3024
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:54,040
out

3025
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,040
that recovery time and how long that

3026
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,400
takes. Um that's important to know, too,

3027
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,400
so we can go ahead and set up an

3028
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:02,440
expectation when people come across

3029
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:03,960
these conditions

3030
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,840
what that recovery time may look like.

3031
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:08,200
>> One thing I just want to add and I was

3032
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:08,960
planning to bring up on the

3033
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,640
commissioner's agenda was um I've I

3034
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:12,840
think we've all heard from a lot of

3035
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:14,560
people and we've seen a lot on Facebook

3036
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,880
about stormwater and people see ponding

3037
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,640
water, but I have also heard a ton of

3038
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:21,560
praise for our staff. Um you guys have

3039
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:23,520
been very visible over the weekend with

3040
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,520
Conk Street. Um

3041
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:26,680
I know you guys probably hear people

3042
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,880
complain more than anything, but

3043
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,120
I think that a lot of residents that

3044
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:31,960
have seen the changes over the years and

3045
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,800
the leaps and bounds Nags Head has made

3046
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,320
in stormwater is apparent and I just

3047
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:37,600
want to relay that cuz I have heard so

3048
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,240
many people reach out that have seen you

3049
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,400
guys working on the weekends in the rain

3050
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:44,040
at Conk Street. I've seen it. I've seen

3051
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:45,600
the improvements and other people have,

3052
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:47,000
too. I know we constantly have new

3053
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:49,040
challenges, but it's clear that we're

3054
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,840
taking them on and we're very, very

3055
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:52,400
proud of everything you guys have done.

3056
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:53,800
>> Yeah.

3057
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:57,600
>> Well, thank you and I think from what I've seen in the

3058
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,040
north end of town where we've made some

3059
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,000
significant improvements, we're not

3060
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,640
seeing that reoccurrence of of flooding,

3061
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,160
not to the levels that we've seen in the

3062
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,040
past. Um

3063
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:08,440
we've got some improvements down in

3064
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:10,000
south Nags Head.

3065
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,120
Um

3066
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:12,960
they're probably not as quick as people

3067
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,080
would like it, but we have seen some

3068
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:16,800
improvements.

3069
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,720
And um I I think that's important,

3070
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:20,680
especially long-term, when you have

3071
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,080
saturated conditions that you're able to

3072
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:26,600
go ahead and drain that off and so

3073
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:28,200
not only aesthetically does that look

3074
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:31,160
better, but you know, you you don't get

3075
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:37,480
the mosquitoes, you don't get the ground water mixing in and having

3076
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:38,840
that brown water standing for an

3077
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:41,760
extended period of time, so.

3078
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,240
>> This is also a great time to remind

3079
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:44,800
people. I know a lot of people have been

3080
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,120
pumping because the water table is so

3081
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:48,960
high, but it's a great time to remind

3082
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:50,480
people about the water credits that we

3083
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:52,520
offer because I from what I've heard

3084
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,560
from Jimmy, they've been pumping like

3085
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,360
crazy from alarms going off and stuff

3086
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:57,680
and just getting ready for that next

3087
02:00:57,680 --> 02:00:59,280
rain. It's a good time to pump your tank

3088
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:00,920
and get ready for it.

3089
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:01,320
>> Yep.

3090
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:03,080
>> Right. Well done.

3091
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:03,280
>> Cool.

3092
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:04,160
>> Good point.

3093
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:05,400
>> Excellent.

3094
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:05,880
>> Great.

3095
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,360
>> Thank you, Dave.

3096
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:11,200
>> Yeah, that weekend, you know, that you

3097
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,600
were referring to, you know,

3098
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:15,920
we were waking up in the morning and all

3099
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,280
right, what's going on? And well, 6:30

3100
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:20,080
a.m., he's already been out looking at

3101
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:22,000
things in South Nags Head. Well, on a

3102
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,480
Sunday, Steven's already cleared the

3103
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,960
Conk Street outfall, you know,

3104
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:28,920
first first first line,

3105
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:30,240
you know, they're all

3106
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:32,120
and then Steven was checking the pumps

3107
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:34,720
at like midnight on Saturday night.

3108
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:36,720
>> You know, so it

3109
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:38,640
they were working hard and the whole the

3110
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:40,480
whole public services crew was out

3111
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:41,480
there,

3112
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:43,280
you know, water and public facilities,

3113
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:46,040
everybody working on the pumping.

3114
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:48,280
Yeah, so and David, you know, it was

3115
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:50,160
just round the clock.

3116
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:51,560
So, it

3117
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,360
you know, it's nice to know that you're

3118
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:55,720
you can trust that you're going to be

3119
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:57,800
covered like that.

3120
02:01:57,800 --> 02:01:58,760
>> It's very appreciated.

3121
02:01:58,760 --> 02:01:59,320
>> Nice.

3122
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,830
>> Very much so.

3123
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:04,400
» Great. Thank you.

3124
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,080
Uh that brings us to our beach driving

3125
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:07,680
season update.

3126
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:11,489
Chief?

3127
02:02:11,499 --> 02:02:12,120
» [snorts]

3128
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:15,080
>> Good morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

3129
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:16,520
I guess we've been having fun cuz time

3130
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:18,760
has flown this summer and we're talking

3131
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,520
about beach driving.

3132
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:21,440
Um

3133
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:23,280
as usual, the season's going to open

3134
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,600
this year October 1st and run through

3135
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:26,960
April the 30th

3136
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:28,960
uh with a half hour before sunrise and a

3137
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,480
half hour uh past sunset for those with

3138
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:32,440
a

3139
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:35,080
pass um either online or through the

3140
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:36,400
town

3141
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,920
or tackle shops. Um

3142
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:40,680
we start selling permits about 2 weeks

3143
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:43,200
before actual driving date, that way it

3144
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,120
gives those the opportunity to go ahead

3145
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:48,080
and acquire, but also keeps uh people

3146
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:49,920
from being too anxious that want to get

3147
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,480
out there a little bit before uh the

3148
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:55,280
driving season actually starts.

3149
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,480
Um this year we're going to request to

3150
02:02:57,480 --> 02:02:59,960
keep the section from Nags Head Pier

3151
02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:03,000
north to 8th Street closed um as in

3152
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,160
prior years. This request comes to do

3153
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:07,120
the sand conditions up there, a lot more

3154
02:03:07,120 --> 02:03:10,120
shell beds um or in that area that makes

3155
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:12,520
the the sand

3156
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:14,760
softer, looser, um

3157
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,480
and it um

3158
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,560
is hard to navigate um

3159
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:19,960
in that area

3160
02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:21,360
um during certain times. It's not as

3161
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,120
wide as well. Um

3162
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,720
but keeping this closed also gives an

3163
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,520
area for beach growers um to be able to

3164
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:30,400
be on the beach and not have conflicts

3165
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:33,400
with vehicle traffic. Um believe it's

3166
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:35,520
been closed for the past four or five

3167
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,440
years um that we've kept it closed just

3168
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:39,120
because of the conditions, if not a few

3169
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:42,000
years longer um than that um due to the

3170
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,560
conditions of the sand all the way.

3171
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,240
Um that's been the main reason, but we

3172
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:49,600
have also seen that as the weather

3173
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:51,800
uh stays a little bit

3174
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,920
warmer in October and starts warming up

3175
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:56,760
uh a little bit earlier in April some

3176
02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:57,680
years,

3177
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:59,040
the amount of people that are on the

3178
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:01,840
beach that gives them a space um that

3179
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,640
they don't have to worry about traffic.

3180
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:07,920
Um so that's what we're requesting um

3181
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,320
with the nourishment project just

3182
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,120
finishing up. Um the southern portion

3183
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:13,920
last year was closed from Juncos to Ramp

3184
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:15,600
1. With this project just being

3185
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:17,600
completed, we see no need to keep that

3186
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:20,040
closed as the condition of the beach um

3187
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,880
is back wide as it was before. Last year

3188
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,400
we had several weather systems that came

3189
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:28,720
through um that caused some dune erosion

3190
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,680
um and just the conditions itself were

3191
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:33,120
too narrow um to keep that open down

3192
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:35,200
there. So we don't see any problems with

3193
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:37,000
keeping um

3194
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,160
that closed this year and should be open

3195
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:41,920
and good to go.

3196
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:45,880
Permits this past season 25 26 we sold

3197
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,880
288 permits. We were 14 off from the

3198
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,630
year before.

3199
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:54,400
From reading the printouts it seems all

3200
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:58,520
14 were Nag's Head residents, but of the

3201
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:01,840
permits sold this year 129 or last year

3202
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,280
excuse me 129 were Nag's Head residents

3203
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:06,000
or property owners.

3204
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,240
And the remaining 159 came from our

3205
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:10,280
surrounding area and the state of

3206
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:12,160
Virginia.

3207
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:13,720
>> Have we got that map that we can pull

3208
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:17,670
up?

3209
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:20,796
» It's an attachment on the agenda.

3210
02:05:20,796 --> 02:05:25,910
>> [snorts]

3211
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:27,560
» So we have our drive over accesses.

3212
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,320
Everything is marked on the map that

3213
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:32,480
we've got that'll be on the website and

3214
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:33,880
people can get copies of it or print

3215
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:36,520
copies of it. Our drive over accesses

3216
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:37,840
that will be open will be Conk,

3217
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,040
Enterprise, Forest, Gulfstream, and

3218
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:41,320
Junco's.

3219
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:43,920
Those north of the pier will remain

3220
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:45,760
closed obviously open for emergency

3221
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:48,440
vehicles. We will have signs posted up

3222
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:50,240
at 8th Street

3223
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,680
that designates as we've put out in the

3224
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:55,040
years past the driving season is closed

3225
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,360
in this area and at each access there'll

3226
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,520
be you know a sign displaying that a

3227
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,160
permit needs to be displayed. So we're

3228
02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:03,760
looking forward to another good driving

3229
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,120
season.

3230
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:07,200
We'd like to remind everybody that use

3231
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:09,280
the marked accesses, display your permit

3232
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,400
on your driver side windshield.

3233
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:14,240
Obey the speed limit of 15 miles per

3234
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:18,320
hour and most importantly to reduce the tire pressure down to at least 20

3235
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:19,920
pounds.

3236
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,040
A lot of people seem to forget that and

3237
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:24,200
when you don't reduce it it does tear

3238
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:26,400
the beach up a lot more than giving you

3239
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:28,120
a little bit wider platform for your air

3240
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:29,680
pressure to be out of the tires. I'd be

3241
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,080
happy to answer any questions that you

3242
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:31,880
may have.

3243
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:33,040
>> All right. Great.

3244
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,680
>> Thank you, Perry. Any questions?

3245
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:35,360
>> No.

3246
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:39,280
>> She By the So, Junco Street to ramp one

3247
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:42,480
was closed in years last year.

3248
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:45,320
Um and then the pier north was closed

3249
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:47,000
last year as well. So, that means this

3250
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:48,680
year we'll actually have more room for

3251
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:49,640
people to drive.

3252
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:52,400
>> Yes. Um and I believe next to pier north

3253
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,520
is is been at least 5 years, I do

3254
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:56,600
believe, if not a couple more than where

3255
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:59,120
we've closed it um due to numerous

3256
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:01,080
vehicles getting stuck up there. It's

3257
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:02,880
not that wide doing a lot of the

3258
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:04,800
nor'easters that kept it done. Um and

3259
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,720
that sand up there with that shell beds

3260
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:08,800
and it's just I mean, I get nervous when

3261
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:09,960
I drive out there if I have to go out

3262
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:12,360
there for the emergency call. So, um it

3263
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:14,000
is kind of tight up there. So, that will

3264
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,840
stay closed, but from next to pier all

3265
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:17,800
the way south to ramp one, we see no

3266
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:18,840
issues this year.

3267
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:19,480
>> Okay.

3268
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:21,600
>> anything will be closed. Um hopefully we

3269
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:22,760
don't have any weather systems that

3270
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:24,760
would do anything differently. Um but

3271
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:26,840
yes, Junco's to ramp one, that'll be an

3272
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:29,000
extra area this year um being that it

3273
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:30,160
was closed last year.

3274
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:31,440
>> All right. Thank you.

3275
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,680
>> It really started after COVID.

3276
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:34,640
You know,

3277
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:35,920
the that [snorts] fall, you know, you

3278
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:37,240
remember the Admiral Street

3279
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:37,600
>> Yeah.

3280
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:39,760
>> where we added the walkway cuz we had

3281
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:41,200
people that were

3282
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:43,760
>> um using the drive over to walk to the

3283
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:45,880
beach and people were driving up and and

3284
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:46,560
they were almost [clears throat] getting

3285
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,240
hit. So, we added the walkway sort of in

3286
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:50,680
the middle of a year with some of the

3287
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:53,560
extra money we had. And then we just saw

3288
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:55,680
so many people on the beach in October.

3289
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:57,200
The weather was still nice and people

3290
02:07:57,200 --> 02:07:58,653
were here and so

3291
02:07:58,653 --> 02:07:58,880
>> [clears throat]

3292
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:00,600
>> it's kind of continued since then, but

3293
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:03,080
it it really has worked well give people

3294
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:05,240
an area of reprieve from from the

3295
02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:06,600
vehicles. And

3296
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:08,440
it's a heavily traveled trafficked area

3297
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:10,080
of the beach and you get a lot of people

3298
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:11,760
that come from Kill Devil Hills to use

3299
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,680
those accesses, too. So,

3300
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:16,440
it it's worked well.

3301
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:17,720
And I don't know, you know, obviously if

3302
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:19,920
you've heard from people that

3303
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,280
you know, they want

3304
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:23,960
>> I've heard sometimes people complain

3305
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:25,640
that they pay for the permit and some of

3306
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:27,240
their access has been cut off, but

3307
02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:28,920
hearing that Juncos is open, that's a

3308
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:31,160
great thing to respond to let them know

3309
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:32,560
that they actually do have extra area

3310
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:33,120
this year.

3311
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:34,400
>> about

3312
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:35,920
leaves about 10 miles of beach that you

3313
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:36,240
can drive

3314
02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:36,880
>> Yeah.

3315
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:37,320
>> amazing

3316
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:40,120
>> 10 miles will be 11.

3317
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:40,840
>> Good stuff.

3318
02:08:40,840 --> 02:08:43,240
>> Have we ever considered adding signage

3319
02:08:43,240 --> 02:08:45,320
during beach driving season to to not

3320
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:47,360
walk over those ramps? Cuz I have seen

3321
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,280
some very hair-raising

3322
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:52,440
encounters with pedestrians and then a

3323
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:54,240
vehicle flying over similar to what was

3324
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:55,560
happening at Admiral.

3325
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,280
>> Admiral, the walkover really cuz there

3326
02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:00,040
was lots of close calls. I think 4th

3327
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,760
Street, that walkover helps a lot, too.

3328
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:03,320
Um

3329
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:04,520
>> But still people walk there. I don't

3330
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:05,240
know. As

3331
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:06,280
>> surfers like to, I guess.

3332
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:07,760
>> Yeah.

3333
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:08,920
>> I don't know.

3334
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,120
>> Admiral scares me.

3335
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:17,310
>> Made a note of that.

3336
02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:18,200
» Okay.

3337
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:18,960
>> All right.

3338
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:19,720
>> Great.

3339
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:24,950
>> Thank you.

3340
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:29,550
» Yeah.

3341
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:31,320
» All right. Uh that brings us to our

3342
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:32,880
Board of Commissioners agenda and I

3343
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:34,760
think I'll start um down here with

3344
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:36,560
Commissioner Harrison.

3345
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:37,800
>> Um I don't really have anything. I just

3346
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:40,120
wanted to say that um thank you to

3347
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:42,000
everyone involved in beach nourishment,

3348
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:44,120
Andy and Roberta and David and everybody

3349
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,360
and all the people who've been so

3350
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:46,760
involved. I mean, the beach looks

3351
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:47,920
amazing.

3352
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:49,960
Um it's very wide and beautiful and I

3353
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:52,320
think everybody's enjoying it very much.

3354
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:54,320
And also to Public Services, our town

3355
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:56,480
looks really good. It's clean. It looks

3356
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,240
great. Um

3357
02:09:58,240 --> 02:09:59,240
Thanks to everyone who handled the

3358
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:01,840
flooding and just it's

3359
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,200
great summer out there and staff is

3360
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:05,440
responsible for that.

3361
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:06,040
>> Right.

3362
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:07,000
>> Yeah.

3363
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:07,520
>> Thank you.

3364
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:08,600
>> Mhm.

3365
02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:10,240
>> No comments. Just echo what Commissioner

3366
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:11,400
Harrison said.

3367
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:12,880
>> Okay. All right.

3368
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:14,680
>> I don't have anything to add. Thank you.

3369
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:15,280
>> Commissioner Boland

3370
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:17,160
>> I concur and I'll throw in 4th of July

3371
02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:18,840
because our last meeting was obviously

3372
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:20,960
was actually before that and that was a

3373
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,560
great day and event evening. I was out

3374
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:25,680
and about and again Steph always does a

3375
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:29,160
fabulous job. It was safe and beautiful.

3376
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:31,120
Fireworks all of it. So,

3377
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:33,440
of course we appreciate the pier.

3378
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:34,545
>> Yes.

3379
02:10:34,545 --> 02:10:34,800
>> [laughter]

3380
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:36,280
>> We do.

3381
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:37,120
All right.

3382
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:38,240
Thank you.

3383
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:41,120
Uh I do not have anything for us today.

3384
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,280
Uh we do not have any closed sessions

3385
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:45,800
published. I don't believe need for one

3386
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:47,280
has emerged.

3387
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:49,440
Um so, is there any other business come

3388
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:52,910
for the board?

3389
02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,400
And we do not need a mid-month meeting.

3390
02:10:55,400 --> 02:10:57,520
So, we will be back in September. And

3391
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:59,280
so, a motion to adjourn would be in

3392
02:10:59,280 --> 02:10:59,840
order.

3393
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:01,040
>> So moved.

3394
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:03,000
>> Uh do I have a second?

3395
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,080
>> Second.

3396
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:06,760
>> Anybody wants to stay for a little while

3397
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:07,920
longer?

3398
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,080
I have a motion and a second. Uh all in

3399
02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:13,240
favor say I. I. Opposed? Thank you.

3400
02:11:13,240 --> 02:11:15,440
>> Thank you.