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Good evening everyone, welcome to the June 22nd Regular Beauty

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of Council. I'd like to first recognise we are gathered

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on the traditional territory, the SNEMAC First Nation, our clerk

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tonight will be Mishil Aguri. We also have councillors Prino

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and Brown attending electronically tonight. Tonight's regular meeting of council

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is being held in accordance with the community charter and

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council procedure bylaw 2018 number 7272. So if during the

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meeting any member of the gallery has a question regarding

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an agenda item, write down your name in the agenda

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item on the question period sign up sheet, which is

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on the table by the double doors to my left.

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And please note that the council procedure bylaw states that

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questions will only be taken on staff reports consent items

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or other business items. Looking around the audience, I sometimes

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feel compelled to read a fairly lengthy bit of instruction

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around public decorum and no clapping or cheering and things

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of that nature. But I pretty much know everybody in

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the audience tonight and you all look pretty civilised anyway.

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So I'm going to dispense with that. The first item

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on the agenda is the introduction of late items, Ms.

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Gurry. Yes, thank you, your worship. Good evening. For late

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items we have the addition of a delegation from Carl

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Butterworth, director of Harbour Studios, Inc., and that is to

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speak to 13C liquor license amendment application number LA15940 Skinner

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Street. Thank you, worship. Thank you very much. Motion for

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adoption of the agenda is amended. Move Councillor Thorpe, Second

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of Councillor Hemmons, all those in favor and any opposed,

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none motion carries. Motion for adoption of the minutes is

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circulated, move councillor Armstrong, seconded councillor Eastmare, all those in

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favor. Any opposed none motion carries. I have a couple

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items for the mayor's report tonight. The first is a

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little reminder for everyone that the city of Nanomal has

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implemented stage three watering restrictions, which began on June the

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8th in response to ongoing dry conditions and increased water

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demand. The city's watershed is experienced almost two months without

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significant rainfall, resulting in steadily declining reservoir levels. At the

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same time, water uses risen to above average levels for

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this time of year, placing increased pressure on available water

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supplies. Understage three reducing outdoor water usage remains voluntary. However,

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the city residents and businesses are strongly encouraged to reduce

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consumption and eliminate unnecessary outdoor water use. You can take

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proactive conservation measures, including the following, avoiding our significantly reducing

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lawn watering, minimizing irrigation of landscapes, gardens, and ornamental plants.

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Using water efficient methods such as hand watering or drip

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irrigation, limited vehicle washing and other non - essential outdoor

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use and fixing leaks and reducing indoor water use where

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possible. We're also seeking in 2027 temporary public art program.

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The city of Vienan was inviting artists to submit proposals

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for the 2027 temporary public art program with projects initiated

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in 2026 and installed in 2027. This is unique opportunity

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for artists of all disciplines and backgrounds to help shape

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the city's cultural landscape through public art. The temporary art

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program is open to individual artists or artists teams and

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welcomes a wide range of proposals, bearing in scale, scope,

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and medium. From sculptural installations to socially engaged or community

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- based projects, artwork must be designed to remain in

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place for up to five years. An information session will

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be held Thursday, August the 13th, 2026 at 5 p.

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m. via Zoom. And Monday, September 21st, 2026 at 6

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p. m. via Zoom. The deadline to submit proposals is

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1159 p. m. Pacific time on October 18th, 2026. View

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application details and requirements on the city's website. And of

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course, we are approaching our nation's 159th birthday, and the

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city invites all of you visitors and residents alike to

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celebrate Canada Day at Mafeo Sutton Park on Wednesday, July

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1st from 11. 30 a. m. to 3. 30 p.

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m. The annual celebration will feature a full day of

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live entertainment, cultural performances, family activities and community connection. The

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festivities begin with opening ceremony in the main stage, followed

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by our performance from Unite the Beat International Drumming throughout

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the day the attendees can enjoy live music from cosmosaurus,

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Lachke Kids, and outsir, as well as interactive performances from

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the Harbour City Magicians. A cultural community stage will also

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feature a variety of local performers and groups, including the

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NINIMO Chinese cultural society, historical fencing club, Vancouver Island Bangra,

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Squared Ansing, Ballroom Dancing, Vibrant Studios, Flowers of Nanomo Chinese

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dancing Flamingo, and Latin Dance and Ballroom Line Dancing. In

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addition to live entertainment, the event will feature games face

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painting, bouncy castles, a photo booth, a flower wall, and

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interactive booths from community organisations, including the City of the

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Nineless Drowning Prevention Coalition. Food vendors will be available on

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site along with a water - filled station to help

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attend these stay hydrated throughout the celebration. And of course,

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residents are encouraged to use alternative transportation as there will

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be no general vehicle parking available at matheau - suttonpark

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on Canada Day, except for limited accessible parking, free parking

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will be available on city streets and in city -

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owned parking lots. Again, free parking available on city, streets,

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and insidioan parking lots. To support events success, the City

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of the Nine was partnering with the regional district of

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the NINIMO to provide free shuttle service when we're grove

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mall and South Parkway Plaza, a free bike ballet service

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will also be offered near the part providing secure bicycle

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parking for attendees. I encourage everyone to come out. I

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don't think there's a... The time in the last few

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years in our troubled world where I think Canadians have

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had a more interest and obviously I think comfort in

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knowing that we really are the best nation on Earth

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and it's a wonderful place to be, and we should

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all be grateful for that. And speaking of gratitude, I

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have one final item under the mayor's report. I seem

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to have been doing this a little too often lately,

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so I confess that I'm not getting used to it,

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and I don't enjoy it anymore tonight than I've enjoyed

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it on the other occasions in the last year or

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two. Uh, the City of Nanaimo has had an outstanding

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public service for a very long time, long before the

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time I became mayor. And on behalf of city council

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and staff and the citizens Deniamo, it is my privilege

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tonight to extend to our friend Darcy Osborne, our heartfelt

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congratulations as she retires after 30 - year career with

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the city of Nanaima. Please, please, yes. Since joining the

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Department of the City in 1996 in the parks and

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Recreation Department, where she has worked her entire career in

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eight different positions, she has exemplified that unwavering commitment, professionalism

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and leadership that we have come to expect of senior

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public servants, and those aspiring to be so. Uh, over

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the course of her career, she served the community with

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distinction in a wide range of rules that include recreation

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programmer, coordinator, supervisor, manager, director, and acting general manager before

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taking on the big role. In each of those positions,

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she demonstrated a remarkably to inspire. Teams foster collaboration and

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exceptional and deliver exceptional programs and services that enriched the

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lives of residents across the normal for many, many years.

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I think there is no question that our parks, recreation,

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and culture department is outstanding. Uh, the people of this

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community enjoy access to all kinds of recreation and cultural

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activities that aren't necessarily the norm in other communities. Uh,

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and sometimes we have taken that for granted just as

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we've taken for granted the people who deliver those programs.

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Um, Darcy, uh, he's left a pretty lasting imprint on

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the department. Advanced division and strengthened its vital role in

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building a healthy community. I would say that dedication and

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passion and innovation are pretty much the hallmarks of what

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she's done for us. For all of us. But it

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helped create spaces and opportunities that have benefited generations of

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the normal residents and will continue to do so. A

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30 - year term is a remarkable thing. Um, you've

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earned our admiration and our respect. Um, counsel is grateful

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the community is grateful. The people you've worked with are

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grateful, and we are going to miss you. The only

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comfort I take in this is an entirely personal selfish

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one. Um, Tom, her husband, who is also announced is

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retirement as the head of parks and recreation for the

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regional district of Nanaimo. So we're losing, this is a

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twofer, not the kind of twofer that once were expected.

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I will tell you honestly, I sent a note to

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Tom congratulating him on his retirement and copied it to

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Darcy and seeing only one Osborne at a time, even

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though in my heart of hearts, I knew that something

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like this might be coming. The fact that she is

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a person of integrity and had the decency and honesty

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not to respond to my comment told me everything I

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needed to know that she was in fact stepping into

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retirement. Uh, between the two of you. The citizens of

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Nanaimo and the regional district have been ablely served. And

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I just want to extend to you on behalf of

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council and to Tom as well. Tonight our gratitude for

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everything. It is a remarkable career and it's a remarkable

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contribution. And we will miss you terribly. Although I do

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look forward because they are early risers to walking dear

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old Stella up and down Bay Street passed our house

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where they catch me watering early sometimes, although they're often

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done and finished by the time up because they are

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too hardworking people of a generation that produced a lot

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of hard workers. And it's been exemplified in your career.

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So thank you. You are welcome to respond if you

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would like, please. Your worship, thank you for such humbling

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words. It has been generally an unbelievable honour to serve

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our community. I have experiences and stories and friendships and

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memories to lost a lifetime. And we work with amazing

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people, the city of Nawal staff are incredibly hard -

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working people who are committed to our community. And I've

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seen that for the last 30 years. And I don't

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see that changing in the future. Uh, we just live

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in an amazing community. We have amazing recreation facilities. And

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our city is just a beautiful city place to live.

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That shows myth population growing the way it is. Um,

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I feel that this is an incredibly, I'm incredibly lucky

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person to have landed in the position that I did

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in 1996 and to think that I can still be

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sitting here 30 years later. And for that, I owe

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appreciation to counsel and to my colleagues and all of

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the people that I've had the privilege to work with

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over the last 30 years. So thank you very much.

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Thank you. Nothing too rise and report on Ms.

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Gurry. We have no presentations. Committee minutes are just for

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receipt. I'm asking for a motion for adoption of the

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consent items. Moved Councillor Manley. Secretary Councillor Armstrong. Not seeing

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anyone wanting to withdraw anything. All those in favor and

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any opposed none motion carries. Thank you. Uh, on to

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an item 11 delegations unrelated to agenda items. Tonight, we

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are delighted to have Kamal Palmar, our former poet laureate

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and Arlene Bundell, who enjoyed the culture award from the

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city of Nanaimo. And welcome Eugena Mathewson, president of Project

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Bookmark, Canada, who's attending via Zoom to answer questions if

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necessary. Good evening to the two of you. Welcome. Five

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minutes and I will let you know when the minute

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left. If you're still talking. The floor is yours. And

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welcome. Good evening everyone. Your worship Mayor Krog respected city

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councillors guests and city staff. My name is Gamalpar and

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my colleague here is Arlene Blunder. We also have the

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president of the Board of Director Project Bookmark, Eudina Matheson

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Over Zoom all the way from Hamilton, Ontario. Thank you

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very much for permitting us time for our presentation to

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give a talk about a project for which we are

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very passionate about. We wish to help NaNIMO become a

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destination city with the projects that would be part of

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a national literary trail site called bookmarks. Project

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bookmark Canada exists to mark our stories in our spaces

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by placing fiction and poetry in the exact Canadian locations

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where it re - scenes are set. From St. John's

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harbour to the islands of Heidagoy from our populist Southern

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border to the land above the tree line. Our stories

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belong to these places. Building Canada's literary trail. A project

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bookmark Canada is a nationally registered charitable organisation building Canada's

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literary trail. Incorporated in 2007, it unveiled its first bookmark

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in 2009 passage from the famous poet Michael on that

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chair. In the skin of a lion at the Blue

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Street Viaduct in Toronto. There are 30 plus bookmark and

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more coming across nine provinces with dozens more in development.

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Uh, this is just a map of Canada and showing

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that in almost every province we have bookmarks. All provinces,

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even BC. Victor. It's in Vancouver, but not on Vancouver

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Island. So our effort and our request is that we

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give us approval to PudnaNIMO on part of the Canadian

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literary trail. This is a picture of the bookmark or

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the black. Taken in Botox National Historic Site, which is

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in Saskatchewan. And this is a poem. The swing circle

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by the famous poet Greg Lee Schoolog. Let's look at

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the vision. It's a vision is to create a permanent

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series of site - specific literary exhibits using text from

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imaging stories that take place in real locations. It's a

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unique innovation. While many countries are produced to the nation's

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stories and writers, no other country is creating a national

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network of site - specific installation celebrating the country's stories.

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Project bookmark, Canada is the only national site - specific

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literary exhibit in the world. One of a guy in

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Canadian Innovation so that you can read your way across

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Canada. What are the objectives? We aim to enhance reading

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culture in Canada, word by word and kilometer by kilometer.

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Strengthen a sense of shared national identity and belonging. Bring

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communities like NaNIMO into the national CANLIT rail. Use the

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creative bird to link local communities to nationwide conversations. Increase

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tourism through literary destinations across all provinces. And one minute.

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This is estimated the budget of project bookmark. We have

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given you handouts and the president is going to go

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into detail about the expenditure. There is a generous donor

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that's willing to donate 10, 000 dollars and the person

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remains anonymous. It's a one - time request from the

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city of Nanaemo Council for around 5, 700 dollars. This

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field that way. Thank you very much. Any questions. Thank

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you very much. Questions for the delegation. Councillor Eastmyer and

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then Councillor Manley, please. Thank you for the presentation. Um,

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I know I've spoken with you about your desire to

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bring this project to the NIMO. And have you already

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been in touch with city staff about the potential to

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bring this to the NIMO. What's been your experience so

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far, trying to work with city staff on bringing this

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to the city, I conducted the cultural arts division. And

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then they said ask me to look for grants and

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fill in the application. However, I was lucky enough to

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get somebody who's giving, as a generalistian of 10, 000

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dollars. I also contacted Vancouver Island Regional Library. They were

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willing to help but not with the finance as such.

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And I contacted and IMO art Nana Mort culture. They

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were not able to provide financial. Fun aid. Okay, I

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wonder if potentially NaNIMO Foundation, I'm hearing that suggestion could

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be a supporter for this. I don't know if you've

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spoken to the NaNIMO Foundation, but I've seen them sponsoring

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some great local cultural events recently. Um, I guess my

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other question that sticks out to me is the fact

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that this is all very focused on, um, like Canadian

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literature, but then the bookmark itself is manufactured in the

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United States. And I'm just wondering like, is there a

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way that we could manufacture it locally and that would

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deal with some of like the, um, the custo to

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kind of eliminate that and support like local manufacturing and

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business? Yeah. Thank you for the question. And I'll request

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the president of the board of directors, Eugene out to

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answer the question. Thank you. I'm Hearina Matheson, our president

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of the board and executive director. That question is, I

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know at the top of everybody's mind and it has

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been particularly since we've had this conflict with the United

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States. When the bookmark ProJwickMar Canada started, it was started

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by Miranda Hill, the writer. And she in Toronto. She

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searched around for a manufacturer that would make that withstand

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Canadian climate and withstand many years. And she found the

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one in the United States. And it was the same

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one used by heritage Toronto. If any of you have

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been in Toronto, the many plaques representing historic sites and

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buildings, et cetera. Now we have stayed with them and

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so has heritage Toronto. I have, because I feel very

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much the way you feel. It should be Canadian. We

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have searched from Newfoundland in here. I'm in Burlington, by

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the way. There's a huge sign factory with guest. Other

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people in Alberta. And everybody comes up with the same

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comment, that company wins a fireform in Washington state manufacturers

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the best product that would withstand years of, you might

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say, um, weather, et cetera. The other thing, and I've

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asked people, we don't have a large volume. I'm not,

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we are not putting many, many plaques in per year.

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So for a manufacturer to set up a new line

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just for us would be not feasible financially. But if

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somebody can come up with and we have tried, my

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husband's an engineer and he's been searching as well and

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talking to people. We have never found a manufacturer. So

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we, we continue with this one. If you're asking people

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to donate a certain amount of money, like most of

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the manufacturers I've dealt with, they say, okay, your plaque,

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this plaque will last about 10 years. Well, that's not

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long enough. If you're having people, um, trying to create

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a literary trail that is commemorating these authors and honouring

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these authors. And if it's only going to last 15

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years. And you can check around and I do look

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at every sign possible. They do wear out with time.

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So if you can, if you have any ideas, I

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would be open for them. But right now, and I

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have tried. And the board has tried. This is where

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we're stuck. I'm sorry. I'm taking a bit more time,

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but I've got some issues that I knew would be

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before. And it's, and thanks for the explanation. And I

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know that we do really excellent signage in the city

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of Nanaimo in our parks. It's definitely got to be

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possible. So I believe that there's a way. And I

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appreciate the challenges you've experienced. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor Manley. Thank you worship. Thank you for

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the presentation. Um, I assume that the, um, the book

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marks would be local like authors from the local area.

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Is that to identify somebody? Have you, um, have you

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identified a local author yet? Or is that something that

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would be kept under wraps until you figure this out?

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Regardless where the money comes from. Well, I'm interested, but

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I mean, it doesn't look good, you know, that it's

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just my idea to have the project bookmark and have

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my poem in there. But I'm open to other local

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authors for sure. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor Thorpe. Please. Thank you very much. You

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worship through you if I may. Ms. Parmor and Ms.

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Blindelle. Thank you for being here. We have spoken about

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this project and it's certainly one that interests me. Um,

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the price point, quite frankly, is off - putting, but

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with the contribution that you've referenced, that helps an awful

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lot. My question is, and it's too bad that, uh,

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Ms. Osborne isn't here still. Our city is, I'm sure

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you're aware does have a poetry trail. That is something

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that Mr. Neal Sirkan developed last year. I'm just wondering

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if there might be an opportunity to partner with that

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project. Have you considered that at all? Thank you for

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the question, Councillor. When I was former white laureate, it

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was at that time that the poetry trail was started.

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And it's very neat idea. Yes, we can continue with

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that and make this part of a project too. But

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I suppose the president have to get her consent. The

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president of the board of directors, project bookmark. All right.

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That's, that's fine. Thank you. That answers my question. Uh,

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appreciate your time and effort in this. I'm not seeing

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any. Yeah. It was further answer. I know councillor. East

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Mirror suggesting, um, areas that we could go to for

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funding. One of the problems is if we apply for

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a grant, the grant grants her wants to have, wants

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to give them money to nonprofit society. And so they

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are looking at, for an organisation that has an executive

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and a board, uh, which we don't have. So we

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cannot get any of those grounds. Um, because we're not

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open to them. And so what we're hoping, what I'm

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hoping is maybe there's a slush one or something in

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the city here that the staff can look into and

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see if there's some way that through public art or

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any area where they can put, maybe the five, I

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think, if I understand correctly, the city has to or

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should show support for this project. Before it goes ahead.

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So we need some city input. Uh, whether it's just

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a letter of letter of support, letter of approval or

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whether it's some money that goes towards the project. Thank

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you very much. I think the technical term you're looking

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for was mad money. Appreciate you. Thank you, your shipmaker

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and the company. Appreciate both of you coming tonight. Thank

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you so much. Thank you. Uh, the next delegation is

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Anna McKenzie Re Departure Bay Safety and Noise Concern. Is

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Ms. McKenzie coming in online or is she.

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Helping me here? Um, your worship my understanding was that

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she was going to be here in person. So if

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she. All right. Well, we'll indulge you if she's. Unsure

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of the time or something's happened. We'll get back to

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her. That otherwise complete delegations tonight. The next is administered

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reports. The 2025 annual municipal report. Ms. Gurie. Thanks. Please.

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Thank you, worship. Um, so, uh, each year, uh, the

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community charter, section 98 requires that municipalities in BC published

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an annual report before June 30th of each year and

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make the report available for public review. Um, this year,

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marks the 22nd annual report published by the City of

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Nanaima. And this year's report is themed illuminate. And it

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commemorates 150 years since the first election and meeting of

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city of Nanaimo Council and 1875, as well as the

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luminous path. And I'm a 150 and beyond festival. The

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document contains the following components. Um, for the year ending

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December 31st, 2025. And that is messages from the mayor

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and CAO, overview of NaNIMO City Council profile of NONIMO,

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City Services and Operations. Corporate strategic plan progress report. Audited

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annual financial statements and financial statistics. And as you're aware,

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because it was just awarded out of recent council meeting,

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um, for the last five consecutive years, the city has

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been awarded a Canadian Award for Financial reporting from the

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government financial officers association of the United States and Canada

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for its 2024 annual municipal report. This is, um, it

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was last year as well as the Four consecutive years

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before that. Um, this award is given to municipal governments

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that publish a report that is easily readable, efficiently organised,

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and clearly communicates the municipal governance, financial picture. So we

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are looking for council to approve the 2012 annual ammunes

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of poll report. And as a requirement in the Community

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Charter and our procedure bylaw, we first need to hear

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from anyone that wishes to speak to it before we

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get that recommendation approved from council. Thank you very much,

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Councillor Thorpe. Thank you, your worship. If I may through

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you a comment and a couple of questions, um, first

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of all, I look through this report this morning and

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I was very impressed with the format and how easily

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readable it is. Full of information. I know it's been

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on the city website. And I certainly encourage viewers to

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check it. And, uh, I'm sure they'll find the answer

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to a lot of things that they might not already

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know. Um, the section on taxation is interesting. We're tax

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dollars go to. And I especially appreciated the section on

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highlights of governance and corporate excellence. Um, my question is

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your worship. On page 76. Under Statistics at a glance

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development services. I was a little disappointed to see that

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the total number of new business licences issued was down

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in 2025 from 2024. 1, 237 down to 984.

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Those are new business licences. I take that literally. I'm

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wondering if we have any statistics on the number of

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business licences that we're not renewed. Which would indicate the

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business was either closing or moving. And it's possible. We

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don't have that information, but I would be curious. Um,

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your worship for you to councillor Thorpe. I don't believe

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we would have that offhand, but we could definitely get

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that back to you. And, um, and have that information.

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But you are correct. It does say, um, it's for

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new business licences issued, um, so, uh, that would only

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reflect the new ones. Whereas, yes, it is less than

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2024. Um, but I don't know how many, um, weren't

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renewed or possibly they all were renewed. And these are

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just the new ones that are noted. All right. Thank

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you. And if I may or worship a second question,

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this is from page 130 expenses by object 2025 from

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our finance department. It indicates that 40. Went to

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wages and benefits. But then it indicates that 32. Now,

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would that relate to. Physical services or would the technical

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advice that we get as we often do. Can somebody

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give me an answer to that. Ms. Mayor, sir, please.

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Three of your worship. Yes. So contracted services would be

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engineering services, management consulting, flagging. Anything and everything that we

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contract others to do. That works. Studies, those kinds of

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things. Yeah. So highly specialized knowledge is required. Right. I

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assume that. But thank you for confirming. Thank you. Thanks,

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your worship. Thank you. Uh, is there anyone who wishes

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to speak regarding the 2025 annual municipal report. I have

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up to three minutes. You just identify yourself for the

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record, please. And you get to the mic. Jeff Ansley.

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How you guys doing tonight? Um, first question actually just

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came from Councillor Thorpe. He said there was a page

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130, but in the actual report you gave to this

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us, it was only 122. What's the discrepancy on that?

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When you were quoting what you were saying, um, you

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said page 130, but and the reports that we were

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given, uh, just the public, I got. So I'm just

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wondering what that described. Your worship. It's the agenda package.

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So Councillor Thorpe was looking at the whole agenda package

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for tonight. And it's page 130 of the whole agenda

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population. Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, okay. Uh, my

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question was between 20, 21 and 2025, we have hired,

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actually I think exactly 103 new people. Which roughly a

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15 percent increase. I'm just wondering if you with numbers

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could give me a breakdown on, on those 120 new

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employees. Ms. Curry. That's not information. I think we would

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probably have offhand, but we could get back to Mr.

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Ronsley on that. Keep in mind, Mr. Annalsley, it's not

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question period. So you're three minutes of running here. Okay.

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That's fine. All right. Thanks very much. Anyone else. If

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not, there is a recommended motion. Move Councillor Thorpe, Secretary

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Councillor Hemmons, all those in favor, any opposed, none motion

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carries. Thank you. The next is 12B Off Street Parking

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Regulations bylaw 2016. Number 7453. Mr. Rosen, you're going to

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introduce this, please. Welcome. Your worship council.

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At the October 31st, 2025 GPC, council made some decisions

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and recommendations for changes and updates to the off -

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street parking bylaw. Staff of completed the changes to the

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bylaw, and it's now ready for councils consideration. There are

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sections on vehicle parking requirements. Loading space requirements, mobility scooter

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and bicycle parking, electrical vehicle charging. Transportation demand management, and

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variances. So the current report is an opportunity for council

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to give the first three readings of the revised bylaw.

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And if there are any questions, council has, we have

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the city Robinson here, the city's transportation planner. Uh, available

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to answer questions as well as, I believe, the consultant,

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Mr. Dan Casey. Uh, available. So I'll turn things over

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to Ms. Robinson. Ms. Robinson, good evening. Welcome. Good evening.

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Thank you, council. Um, Mr. Rosen captured most of it,

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but I will just highlight, um, that we've been here

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before you several times over the past 18 months as

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this work progressed. And we have, um, initially come with

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the citywide parking review outlining the NINIMOs, current parking regulations

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and key challenges related to growth, housing and transportation. We

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then returned with the engagement summary and early directions. That

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directly shaped was the direction was shaped by input from

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residents. The advisory committee on accessibility and inclusiveness industry stakeholders

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and transportation providers. And then more recently this past fall

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counsel endorsed the overall direction of the parking review and

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directed staff to prepare bylaw and policy updates. So since

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then, recommendations have been refined through targeted engagement with frequent

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bylaw users, including development professionals, as well as internal departments.

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So as Mr. Rosa mentioned, tonight is the first formal

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step in bringing forward the new Off Street Parking Relations

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bylaw. Um, and our consultant Dan Casey should be on

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the line and we're happy to take any questions that

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council might have. Thank you very much. Councilprino, pardon me,

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Councillor Armstrong, first and count, Ceprino. Thank you. Two questions

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through you, FMA. The first one is when I was

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researching all this car ownership is rising considerably on Vancouver

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Island. And in the NOM, we've been from our own

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economic impact. We've shown an increase of over 2, 500

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cars. How is this going to impact where they're going

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to park if we eliminate parking from a lot of

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these places? Thank you, Council Armstrong. So the parking

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regulations, we have heard from developers that with more flexibility,

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more housing should be able to be built, which is

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another big concern in the city. Um, we're hoping that

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with the parking bean contextualized with fewer parking spaces required

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as the closer you get to urban centres and more

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required in suburban areas, that should be aligned with where

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transit and alternate modes are supported. So hopefully we do

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expect some shift in the short term to on street

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parking demand. But that should be managed through the curbside

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review that we're going to be undertaking following this work.

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And then my second question, and this was sent to

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me by a citizen, their point is, and I know

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I asked us of the consultant before. Many of people

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in new subdivisions have to pay for it rode infrastructure

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for their, their garage, which could be add 50 to

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60, 000 onto their prices. And they're asking, why are

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they expected to do this? And then, uh, condo owners

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aren't. And then the condo owners parked their cars on

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the streets they paid for. If I understand the question

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correctly, people who live in subdivisions, um, have to pay

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for the frontage works that people who live in condos

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also park out. Is that? Yeah. The question she said,

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maybe I didn't say it right. Was she said that

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their hose cost them approximately figured between 50 and 60,

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000 more for the DCCs, which brought, you know, your

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water infrastructure parking, et cetera. And that we hear from,

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uh, developers that they don't want to pay for parking

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lots because the average parking space costs around 50, 000

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dollars so they don't, then the people that buy in

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those places end up parking on streets that were paid

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for by the owners of the streets. They're not paid

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for by city dollars was the question. Mr. Rosen, I

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see studiancer. Mr. Rosen, please. Three worship council Armstrong. So

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regardless of development, whether it's a single family home or

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a commercial or a multifamily residential, they have to construct

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frontage works and services. If the road access, typically like

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a single family home, like subdivision would be required to

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build the road network. It's not a DCC project necessarily.

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DCC projects tend to be the larger arterials that a

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lot of people are using. Um, so in both cases,

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the developer would be responsible for works and services and

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potentially road construction, which ultimately gets turned over to the

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city as a public asset for the city to manage

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in the best interests of the community in terms of

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parking regulations and so on and so forth. So I'm

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not, I'm not too sure that there's an unfairness there.

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Um, single family home would have access to parking on

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site. Multifamily or like an apartment, for example, they may

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or may not decide to have a lot or a

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little bit of parking. So, yeah, I think their point

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was that they're paying to have those roads when they

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buy their houses when it's a new subdivision. And then

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people just come and park on them. That was, I

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think, the point they're trying to make. And just one

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other thing. When I was at the FCM, I went

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to the, um. The building infrastructure, whatever. And that was

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very interesting. Stuart Kerig, who's administrator of the Edmonton Housing

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Direct Action. They found their developers there did not want

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to remove the park in minimum. So that was quite

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interesting because it said they couldn't sell. It was fine

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for rentals, but not selling. So interesting that we put

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it back to the developers. Thank you. Thank you. Any

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further questions, Council Aprino, please? Yes. Thank you. What your

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worship. The question that I have for staff is this

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report didn't talk about those particular roads where there is

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generally no parking, but some residents will have a sticker.

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So that they won't get ticketed. And I'm just wondering,

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is it somewhere, is it coming in in the next

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stage? I'm just wondering. Thank you, councillor Prino. I think

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you might be referring to resident exempt parking just to

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clarify the scope of this work is specific to off

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street parking for developments. So that would be reviewed under

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further works for the citywide parking review through a separate

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bylaw review. Okay. So is that going to be done

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or is that just a whole different section altogether? Yes.

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It will be done as part of the citywide parking

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review. I don't know what the changes, if any, will

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be, but it will be considered. Okay. Good. Thank you

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so much. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not seeing any

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further questions. There was a councillor evidence. Thank you. Your

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worship. I moved that off street parking regulations by law

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2026 number 7453 to regulate off street parking and transportation

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demand management within the city of Nanaimo PASS reading. Second

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account, Ceere. All those in favor. Councillor Eastmare Gesselbrock Chemen's

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Mary Crowe, Councillor Manley, Councillor Brown and Cassaprino and those

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opposed. Councillor's Armstrong Thorpe Motion carries. Thank you. I moved

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that the bylaw past second reading. Seconded Councillor Eastmare. Any

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discussion. Councillor Thorpe. I'm not sure worship through you. Uh,

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I read this really carefully. And there are lots of

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things in this report that I agree with and like.

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And unfortunately there are also some things that I really

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disagree with personally. Um, and I'll start by saying I

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have absolutely respect for Mr. Rosen and his staff and

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for urban systems. Um, I always appreciate their advice. Um,

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and this report, I think is in line with council

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direction over the past several years. So I acknowledge that.

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Um, our emphasis has very heavily being in recent years

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on active transportation. And. You know, I support act of

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transportation. Until it gets to the point where it has

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a negative impact on, uh, traffic flow and the ability

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of people to move around our streets and vehicles, whether

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it's cars or delivery trucks, which we are seeing a

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lot more of. So it's great in theory. But I

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look at the report and I look at disadvantages of

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this option. Adoption represents a cultural shift away from traditional

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car - centric parking expectations, which may raise concerns about

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parking availability in urban centres. Yes, it does. For me,

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it does. Huge concerns. So, um, I think back to

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the master transportation plan that was developed back in 2016

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that indicated that the trips taken per day in our

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city, 88 percent of them wereby vehicles. 2. 5 percent

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of them were trips taken by bus. 8. 5 percent

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were trips taken by people walking. And people riding bikes

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was one percent. So the reality is our population is

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growing. We have more people. We have more autumnobiles. We

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have more delivery trucks. Uh, and now we're taking away

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parking. To me, it's just not in line with the

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reality that we're faced with. So again, in theory, it's

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fine. It is in line with council direction, but high

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count support it. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Gesselbrock, then

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Councillor Armstrong. Uh, thanks Mayor. Through you. Um, I'm in

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00:46:38,823 --> 00:46:41,383
support of this bylaw. I think it's a well balanced

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by a lot. That gives developers the flexibility with the

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parking regulations to reduce barriers to build much needed housing

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units and to meet the transportation needs of the residents.

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Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. I agree

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with much of what councillor Thorpe said. My biggest concern.

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I agree with a lot of it by biblicist concern

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is having maximum. It's parking. And we saw that when

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the developer from the one up off Mary Ellen Drive

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wanted more parking and couldn't get it. And that was

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a concern. And it remains a concern for them because

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they're struggling to rent some of them because the enough

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parking. So I have a, I have a big issue

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with, with that. That's one, that's my main reason for

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not supporting this. I agree with a lot of the

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other stuff. But the fact that we wanted to put

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in parking maximums, again, I just can't agree with that.

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Thank you. Thank you not seeing any further questions. All

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those in favor, councillors e - smear, Guessle Rock, Councillor

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Hens, Merrick Crowe, Councillor Manley, Councillor Brown, Councilprino, those opposed.

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Councillor Storp and Armstrong Motion carries. Councillor Hemins. Thank you.

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I move. Thank you. I moved that the bylaw pass

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third reading. Seconded. Councillor Manley. All those in favor. Councillor

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Eastmire, Councillor Gesselbrock. Councillor Hemmons, Mayor Crow, Councillor Manley, Council

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Brown, Councilprino, and those opposed. Councillor Thorpe and Councillor Armstrong.

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Thank you. Uh, I move that Council endorse amendments to

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consideration of variance as policy COU - 246 and repeal

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the existing city of Nanaimo Policy for consideration of a

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parking variance. Subject to adoption of Offstreet Parking Regulations by

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a law 2026, number 7453. Seconded. Council Reichmer. All those

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in favor. Councillor Eastmere, Councillor Guesserok. Councillor Hemmons, Mayor Crowe,

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Councillor Manley, Councillor Brown, Count Screno, and those Pose councillors,

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arms throwing in Thorpe, Motion carries. Thank you very much.

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Uh, item C, Traffic Demand Management Reserve Fund bylaw. Ms.

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Mercer, please. Thank you, your worship. So with the creation

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of the new Off Street Parking Regulation bylaw, a corresponding

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reserve fund bylaw is needed to keep an account of

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the funds collected for this function. So under the local

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government act, all cash and lieu payments collected for transportation

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demand, sorry, transportation, demand management measures must be deposited into

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a reserve fund. So the funds can be used in

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this reserve for capital infrastructure costs, as well as debt

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surfacing. So staff are here looking for the first three

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readings of this by - law. Thank you very much.

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No, I have a question. Yeah. My question is on

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number one capital infrastructure cost. Does that include crosswalks. Would

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that be a capital or is that just, like I

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never know. Anybody know. If not, I can ask later.

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Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Any other questions. Councillor Hemens.

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Uh, I move that traffic demand management reserve fund bylaw

697
00:49:59,197 --> 00:50:03,976
2026, number 7456 to establish a traffic demand management reserve

698
00:50:03,976 --> 00:50:09,470
fund PASS First Reading. Second account, sir Armstrong. All those

699
00:50:09,491 --> 00:50:14,303
in favor. And any opposed, none motion carries. I move

700
00:50:14,343 --> 00:50:17,903
that the bylaw passed second reading. Second aid, Councillor Armstrong.

701
00:50:19,264 --> 00:50:22,903
Any discussion, not seeing any, all those in favor. Any

702
00:50:22,903 --> 00:50:25,963
opposed none? Motion carries. And I move that the bylaw

703
00:50:25,984 --> 00:50:30,469
pass third reading. Secretary of Councillor Thorpe. All those in

704
00:50:30,509 --> 00:50:35,029
favor and any opposed, none, motion carries. Thank you. Ron

705
00:50:35,029 --> 00:50:38,949
Titem D, Officer Designation and Delegation of Authority bylaw and

706
00:50:38,989 --> 00:50:43,884
zoning bylaw amendment, servicing officer amendments. That's a mouthful. Mr.

707
00:50:44,145 --> 00:50:47,726
Holm, good evening. Welcome. Thank you. Good evening to you

708
00:50:48,227 --> 00:50:53,538
and council. So this is coming out of direction provided

709
00:50:53,578 --> 00:50:57,378
by council February 2nd at its meeting on February 2nd

710
00:50:57,879 --> 00:51:00,642
to prepare amendments to. I'll just call it the delegation

711
00:51:00,823 --> 00:51:05,147
by law for simplicity. To designate a servicing officer pursuant

712
00:51:05,187 --> 00:51:08,970
to section 513, two of the local government act. This

713
00:51:09,071 --> 00:51:13,690
is coming out of, um, authority granted to local governments,

714
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:17,050
to municipalities through Bill 16, the housing statute's amendment act.

715
00:51:17,714 --> 00:51:21,693
Which allows local government to create a servicing officer, which

716
00:51:21,794 --> 00:51:25,773
is a class of person designated by bylaw, uh, who

717
00:51:25,813 --> 00:51:28,333
can require road dedication at the time of issuance of

718
00:51:28,373 --> 00:51:31,237
a building permit. So the province in some of the

719
00:51:31,818 --> 00:51:35,717
housing related legislative changes that they've made, uh, they recognise

720
00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:40,097
that if local governments are pre - zoning land, uh,

721
00:51:40,458 --> 00:51:43,957
one of the challenges that, uh, can run into is

722
00:51:43,978 --> 00:51:48,117
not being able to secure road dedication, uh, because typically

723
00:51:48,378 --> 00:51:51,717
road dedication is required through at the time of rezoning

724
00:51:51,818 --> 00:51:56,159
or subdivision. So designation of a servicing officer would allow,

725
00:51:56,159 --> 00:52:00,879
uh, that person to, uh, to require road dedication at

726
00:52:00,919 --> 00:52:04,239
the time of building permit issuance. Um, staff are recommending

727
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,990
three classes of persons be designated as servicing officer. Director

728
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:12,910
of Planning and Development Manager of Development Engineering Manager of

729
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:18,503
Subdivision. Uh, these positions are people occupying these positions. They're

730
00:52:18,503 --> 00:52:24,145
also subdivision approving officers currently designated by council. Um, also,

731
00:52:24,145 --> 00:52:28,065
uh, company and due to the timing of road dedication

732
00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:35,080
required by the servicing officer. At building permit stage. It

733
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:41,976
can be challenging for developers. To face uncertainty of having

734
00:52:41,976 --> 00:52:44,696
to dedicate land at the building permit stage when they've

735
00:52:44,696 --> 00:52:50,898
planned for development on existing parcels. Uh, that can impact

736
00:52:51,879 --> 00:52:56,807
such issues as florary ratio. That's a density. Relationship between

737
00:52:56,828 --> 00:52:58,467
the area of the building and the area of the

738
00:52:58,467 --> 00:53:02,887
lot. Uh, lot coverage and setbacks can also be impacted.

739
00:53:02,887 --> 00:53:07,447
So in a company amendment, uh, staffer recommending, um, amendments

740
00:53:07,447 --> 00:53:10,327
to the zoning bylaw that would allow, uh, those provisions

741
00:53:10,908 --> 00:53:15,207
of the zoning bylaw, um, to apply at building permit

742
00:53:15,247 --> 00:53:19,287
application based on the predication area of the lot. I

743
00:53:19,287 --> 00:53:21,287
hope that makes sense. I can explain it more clearly

744
00:53:21,548 --> 00:53:24,584
if needed. Um, and I'm happy to take any questions.

745
00:53:24,584 --> 00:53:28,135
Thanks. Thank you very much. Any questions, councillor Hemmons and

746
00:53:28,156 --> 00:53:35,995
Councillor Ishmir. No, sorry. Councillor, you smeared. Thank you. It

747
00:53:35,995 --> 00:53:40,595
says that, um, sorry, when, when would be the public

748
00:53:40,696 --> 00:53:43,475
hearing that this would get added to the gender for,

749
00:53:43,475 --> 00:53:46,195
would it be this Thursday or a future public hearing?

750
00:53:46,536 --> 00:53:49,635
Thank you through your worship councillor. That would be July.

751
00:53:49,635 --> 00:53:51,155
It would be the next scheduled public hearing for this

752
00:53:52,616 --> 00:53:58,117
item. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. No further questions for

753
00:53:58,138 --> 00:54:01,557
staff. Councillor Hemins. Thank you. I moved that officer designation

754
00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:05,157
and delegation of authority by law 2026, number seven, three,

755
00:54:05,157 --> 00:54:08,517
five, three point zero five, an amendment to designate servicing

756
00:54:08,618 --> 00:54:15,797
officers PS1. Secretary councillor Thorpe, all those in favor and

757
00:54:15,797 --> 00:54:19,237
any opposed, none, Motion carries. I moved that the bylaw

758
00:54:19,277 --> 00:54:25,212
pass second reading. Seconded. Councillor Eastmare. All those in favor,

759
00:54:25,212 --> 00:54:28,812
any opposed, none motion carries. They moved at the bylaw

760
00:54:28,913 --> 00:54:34,340
past third reading. Secretary Councillor Thorpe, all those in favor,

761
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:38,485
any opposed non carries. I moved it zoning amendment by

762
00:54:38,506 --> 00:54:44,325
law 2026. Number 54500. 257 is zoning in bylaw amendment

763
00:54:44,325 --> 00:54:47,045
to allow certain zoning provisions to apply based on the

764
00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:50,245
lot area and dimensions prior to road dedication required by

765
00:54:50,346 --> 00:54:54,885
your servicing officer PAST 1's reading. Secretary Count 3 Eastmare.

766
00:54:54,885 --> 00:54:59,700
All those in favor and any opposed. None. I move

767
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:03,920
that the bylaw pass second reading. Second councillor Eastmare. All

768
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,379
those in favor. Any opposed, none. I move that council

769
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,859
direct staff to hold a public hearing for zoning amendment

770
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:17,420
by law 2026. Number 4500. 257. Councillor Thorpe. All those

771
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:21,047
in favor. Any opposed and motion carries. The next is

772
00:55:21,708 --> 00:55:27,560
E neighbourhood association priority request 2026. Mr. Holmes, please. Thank

773
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,400
you, worship. Um, happy to present this item. Um, council

774
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,370
is familiar with this as an annual process. Um, city

775
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:41,490
plan, the official community plan, um, encourages counsel along with,

776
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:45,490
um, council neighbourhood supports policy encourages counsel to host an

777
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:49,697
annual engagement event with neighbourhood associations. Uh, to hear their

778
00:55:49,697 --> 00:55:54,017
priorities. And, uh, the fourth such event, um, took place

779
00:55:54,198 --> 00:55:58,897
on April 29th. We had 14 neighbourhood associations in attendance.

780
00:55:59,551 --> 00:56:03,450
Um, as well as, um, staff from all departments of

781
00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:07,050
the city. And many on council attended, uh, this event

782
00:56:07,071 --> 00:56:13,626
provided an opportunity for neighbourhood associations. To discuss their requested

783
00:56:13,647 --> 00:56:19,066
priority actions in their specific area with council members and

784
00:56:19,066 --> 00:56:25,014
staff. And, uh, that was a facilitated event following the

785
00:56:25,014 --> 00:56:29,674
event. The recorded requests were sent out to neighbourhood associations.

786
00:56:31,529 --> 00:56:34,468
To allow them an opportunity to verify the, uh, the

787
00:56:34,569 --> 00:56:38,549
wording. And intent of their priority requests. Uh, there's an

788
00:56:38,589 --> 00:56:44,991
attachment to the report attachment AU. Contains the finalised 2026

789
00:56:45,172 --> 00:56:50,271
priority request for council to consider on, um, responses received

790
00:56:50,271 --> 00:56:54,401
from based on responses received from, uh, neighbourhood associations. And

791
00:56:54,502 --> 00:56:57,281
it's recommended that staff receive the, or sorry, that council

792
00:56:57,321 --> 00:57:02,619
received the 2026 neighbourhood association priority requests. Um, which, um,

793
00:57:02,619 --> 00:57:06,319
which would be considered could be considered for the inclusion

794
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:10,319
in the city's capital plans, budgets and departmental work plans.

795
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:15,083
Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll move the recommended

796
00:57:15,104 --> 00:57:19,403
motion. This is a secondary councillor. Yeah, I just want

797
00:57:19,403 --> 00:57:20,763
to say, I think this is probably one of my

798
00:57:20,803 --> 00:57:24,083
favourite events that we hold all year as council. I

799
00:57:24,083 --> 00:57:28,843
love hearing from residents. I love how residents want so

800
00:57:28,843 --> 00:57:31,083
much to speak to staff. And we get to be

801
00:57:31,184 --> 00:57:33,563
there and be that facilitator. So just kudos to the

802
00:57:33,603 --> 00:57:35,883
staff who put this on. Kudos to the people from

803
00:57:35,883 --> 00:57:37,883
the neighbourhoods who came out and advocated for what they

804
00:57:37,984 --> 00:57:42,113
wanted to see. This is a great program. Thank you,

805
00:57:42,113 --> 00:57:45,377
Councillor Ishmir. Thank you. Yeah, I think likewise, it's also

806
00:57:45,958 --> 00:57:49,057
one of my highlights just because, um, it's a great

807
00:57:49,238 --> 00:57:53,697
example of when people are really engaged in their neighbourhoods,

808
00:57:53,697 --> 00:57:56,017
the value of having that neighbourhood association. I'm really glad

809
00:57:56,038 --> 00:57:59,277
the city's doing more to support the neighbourhood associations. Um,

810
00:57:59,318 --> 00:58:01,377
and if you live in a neighbourhood that doesn't have

811
00:58:01,417 --> 00:58:03,297
one, I think this is a real credit to show

812
00:58:03,638 --> 00:58:07,777
why it can be valuable. I would love to one

813
00:58:07,817 --> 00:58:10,157
day see all of these items actually checked off. And

814
00:58:10,157 --> 00:58:12,577
I know that, um, it's taken, like it takes an

815
00:58:12,577 --> 00:58:15,137
immense amount of work from the neighbourhoods to come up

816
00:58:15,137 --> 00:58:17,777
with the priorities and then follow up with staff on

817
00:58:17,817 --> 00:58:18,897
them. And I know it also takes a lot of

818
00:58:18,998 --> 00:58:21,217
staff work to track these things and try to incorporate

819
00:58:21,257 --> 00:58:24,977
them into our existing plans and look for opportunities. So,

820
00:58:24,977 --> 00:58:27,297
um, I just know that a lot of effort goes

821
00:58:27,398 --> 00:58:30,177
into both making these lists and then trying to get

822
00:58:30,198 --> 00:58:32,417
these things done. And I wish we could wave a

823
00:58:32,457 --> 00:58:33,817
magic wand and do all of them. Cause I think

824
00:58:34,038 --> 00:58:37,297
the city would be a really, um, great place if

825
00:58:37,297 --> 00:58:38,657
we could get all of these things done. But I

826
00:58:38,657 --> 00:58:42,577
do think they're all, um, possible in manageable. So I

827
00:58:42,617 --> 00:58:44,977
really appreciate the time that's gone into refining them and

828
00:58:44,998 --> 00:58:49,997
making sure that they're reasonable and achievable goals. And, um,

829
00:58:50,278 --> 00:58:52,897
yeah, I just, I'm really grateful for people thinking in

830
00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:55,457
such detail about what items will make the city a

831
00:58:55,457 --> 00:58:58,417
better place to live. So thank you. Thank you. I

832
00:58:58,678 --> 00:59:01,377
concur with, uh, my learned friends, as they say in

833
00:59:01,377 --> 00:59:04,817
the court of appeal, Ms. Curie. Just Councillor Prano has

834
00:59:04,857 --> 00:59:08,502
her hand raised. Oh, Council Prano. Please. Thank you, your

835
00:59:08,502 --> 00:59:11,582
worship. Just a quick question through you to Staff. So

836
00:59:12,763 --> 00:59:15,542
we now have this list. It's Exland. I agree with

837
00:59:15,563 --> 00:59:18,322
everything that the last two councillors have said. I'm just

838
00:59:18,322 --> 00:59:22,082
wondering, do Staff stay in touch with the different, um,

839
00:59:22,203 --> 00:59:26,102
associations so that they know what's happening. And when some

840
00:59:26,102 --> 00:59:28,742
of these things are checked off, do they hear back

841
00:59:28,782 --> 00:59:34,500
to the neighbourhood associations? How does that work. Three worship

842
00:59:34,841 --> 00:59:39,620
to council Prino. Yes, great question. So there are check

843
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:45,460
- in. So the staff pending council's support for these

844
00:59:46,201 --> 00:59:49,620
action items. Um, they can be considered in work plans,

845
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:54,704
budgets. And, uh, staff do check back with neighbourhood associations

846
00:59:55,445 --> 01:00:01,004
and date on the status. Of the items and in

847
01:00:01,044 --> 01:00:07,644
preparation for March 2027 would be a report on the

848
01:00:07,665 --> 01:00:12,684
program that's provided as well. A progress report update in

849
01:00:12,684 --> 01:00:17,964
advance of the, uh, 2027, the next year's engagement event

850
01:00:18,625 --> 01:00:22,684
with neighbourhood associations. So we do check in on specific

851
01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:26,284
projects, um, and some of them require, you know, meetings

852
01:00:26,284 --> 01:00:28,844
with neighbourhood associations as well. And then there is an

853
01:00:28,884 --> 01:00:33,484
update status update prior to the next engagement event next

854
01:00:33,484 --> 01:00:37,804
year. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. There's

855
01:00:37,804 --> 01:00:41,583
no further discussion or questions. Although is in favor. And

856
01:00:41,623 --> 01:00:45,882
any opposed none motion carries. On to F prezoning for

857
01:00:45,903 --> 01:00:49,647
social housing, Mr. Holm again, please. Thank you, your worship.

858
01:00:49,687 --> 01:00:51,807
I won't say too much here. I'm going to, this

859
01:00:51,807 --> 01:00:54,607
is an important project. I know council has been anticipating

860
01:00:54,647 --> 01:00:57,247
this and I'll turn it over to Ms. Beegan to

861
01:00:58,068 --> 01:00:59,967
give you an overview of where we're at with this.

862
01:00:59,967 --> 01:01:03,578
Thanks. Is being a good evening. Welcome. Good evening Mayor

863
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,721
Council. So before I begin, I just want to remind

864
01:01:06,742 --> 01:01:09,121
everybody what we mean by social housing because that is

865
01:01:09,161 --> 01:01:11,361
commonly. The first question I get when I speak about

866
01:01:11,462 --> 01:01:15,121
this project. And so social housing is a housing for

867
01:01:15,142 --> 01:01:18,481
everybody. And it is intended to be subsidized to be

868
01:01:18,521 --> 01:01:21,761
lower than the average cost of market housing. And it

869
01:01:21,801 --> 01:01:27,366
does not include supportive housing and shelters. Uh, so, uh,

870
01:01:27,647 --> 01:01:30,346
council recalls, we presented in January of this year at

871
01:01:30,386 --> 01:01:33,226
draft framework. We went out in March or February and

872
01:01:33,266 --> 01:01:37,226
March to seek feedback on that draft framework, uh, we

873
01:01:37,327 --> 01:01:40,586
used a variety of outreach tools, including a video on

874
01:01:40,586 --> 01:01:42,986
social media to get the word out. And we held

875
01:01:43,887 --> 01:01:47,866
survey workshops as well as, uh, presentation dispatch on interest

876
01:01:47,866 --> 01:01:53,126
groups to receive feedback. Cumulative, we heard 740 inputs, uh,

877
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:55,306
that have been summarized in the what we heard engagement

878
01:01:55,346 --> 01:01:57,786
summary. Um, and if you look through that report, we

879
01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:00,666
received a mix of support, uh, for some of the

880
01:02:00,687 --> 01:02:03,706
various elements that we were proposing. Um, and very constructive

881
01:02:03,727 --> 01:02:07,866
feedback, uh, we recommend perhaps looking expanding into the future

882
01:02:08,047 --> 01:02:10,965
with this program. So based on the engagement results, we

883
01:02:11,066 --> 01:02:14,325
did amend the original approach, uh, to address some of

884
01:02:14,325 --> 01:02:17,925
the concerns raised. And we are proposing a zoning amendment

885
01:02:18,026 --> 01:02:21,685
bylaw, uh, with which includes a social housing zone that

886
01:02:22,026 --> 01:02:24,965
is optional and allows for an increase in height and

887
01:02:24,986 --> 01:02:30,239
density, if a set of conditions are met. So I

888
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:31,599
just want to go through a few of the things

889
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:34,559
that were amended and to address some of the concerns

890
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:38,403
that council had mentioned in January. So, uh, we're recommending

891
01:02:38,664 --> 01:02:41,123
about seven percent of all parcels in the city be

892
01:02:41,163 --> 01:02:44,883
pre - zoned or be called eligible parcels for this

893
01:02:44,883 --> 01:02:49,043
optional zone. Heritage properties listed in city plan. Our official

894
01:02:49,144 --> 01:02:52,723
community plan have been excluded to address concerns raised by

895
01:02:52,763 --> 01:02:56,003
council and the community. A height limit of six stories

896
01:02:56,184 --> 01:02:58,323
has also been placed for the majority of the primary

897
01:02:58,344 --> 01:03:01,443
urban centre, also known as our downtown, to align with

898
01:03:01,544 --> 01:03:06,231
the downtown area plan policies. We also heard regarding the

899
01:03:06,492 --> 01:03:09,911
tenure limiting it to rental. Um, there was a desire

900
01:03:09,911 --> 01:03:13,111
to include both rental and ownership. However, as we mentioned

901
01:03:13,292 --> 01:03:17,271
in January, um, ownership, um, is very challenging and resource

902
01:03:17,311 --> 01:03:23,891
intensive to establish, manage and enforce. Ownership qualification criteria, uh,

903
01:03:24,012 --> 01:03:27,351
rental and specifically non - market rentals also provincial housing

904
01:03:27,351 --> 01:03:32,790
target, uh, priority. Uh, we also address concerns around a

905
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:34,630
hundred percent of the Capitol costs having to come from

906
01:03:35,291 --> 01:03:38,950
some level of government, uh, and we heard that that

907
01:03:38,971 --> 01:03:41,830
is too restrictive. So we opened that up to be

908
01:03:41,830 --> 01:03:47,952
more flexible. And lastly, we did undertake architectural testing to

909
01:03:47,973 --> 01:03:50,832
ensure that the social housing zone is drafted in a

910
01:03:50,832 --> 01:03:54,032
way that is in line with city plan policies. So

911
01:03:54,293 --> 01:03:57,152
in conclusion, it is recommended that council proceed with first

912
01:03:57,152 --> 01:04:00,352
and second reading of a zoning amendment bylaw, uh, number

913
01:04:00,352 --> 01:04:04,092
4, 500 256, which is a social housing zone. And

914
01:04:04,213 --> 01:04:06,192
that, uh, if that moves forward, that we would move

915
01:04:06,192 --> 01:04:10,112
forward to public hearing. Thank you. Thank you very much.

916
01:04:10,112 --> 01:04:12,752
Any questions, Councillor Armstrong? Thank you. I just wanted to

917
01:04:12,752 --> 01:04:15,392
thank you for the report. It came to the accessibility

918
01:04:15,392 --> 01:04:17,952
committee and it was really appreciated, learned a lot from

919
01:04:17,992 --> 01:04:20,832
it. I think this will help us get stuff up

920
01:04:20,872 --> 01:04:23,352
a lot faster and eliminate a lot of costs. So

921
01:04:23,352 --> 01:04:25,312
I think it's a great report and a great idea.

922
01:04:25,312 --> 01:04:29,880
Thank you. I concur. Thank you, worship. Yeah. I completely

923
01:04:30,061 --> 01:04:34,440
agree with Councillor Hennons. I am curious, however, the, pardon

924
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:41,800
me. I agree with myself. Um, oh gosh. Hello Monday.

925
01:04:41,981 --> 01:04:45,640
Um, the survey and the workshop data are remarkably different.

926
01:04:46,103 --> 01:04:52,002
So the capital cost 41 percent that they strongly agree

927
01:04:52,183 --> 01:04:54,402
that it should be fully funded by government. But the

928
01:04:54,442 --> 01:04:58,562
workshop is one hundred percent disagree. So what's the variation

929
01:04:58,583 --> 01:05:02,002
there? Were we targeting developers in the workshop and residents

930
01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:07,568
in the survey. Uh, through the MayorT Councillor Hemons. Yes,

931
01:05:07,568 --> 01:05:11,439
the workshop was held specifically with nonprofit housing providers. For

932
01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:14,639
profit housing providers and faith - based organisations because they

933
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:19,039
have experience, uh, with, uh, providing social housing in an

934
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:22,079
NINIMO as well as supportive and shelters. And so it

935
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:26,296
was directly engagement with them, um, on these topics. Okay.

936
01:05:26,478 --> 01:05:33,434
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Geselbroch. Thanks. Just a question

937
01:05:33,695 --> 01:05:42,166
on the. Barrier, the limit for affordability. We landed on

938
01:05:42,507 --> 01:05:48,414
20 percent below market. And the range was 10 percent.

939
01:05:48,454 --> 01:05:53,134
And I guess, um, if we look at average CMHC

940
01:05:53,395 --> 01:06:00,094
housing costs, For a lot of people like low in

941
01:06:00,094 --> 01:06:01,854
the low income bracket, it's still going to be unaffordable.

942
01:06:02,116 --> 01:06:04,495
Uh, so it doesn't seem to me like it quite

943
01:06:05,236 --> 01:06:07,995
meets the mark in that sense. And I'm curious, um,

944
01:06:09,076 --> 01:06:14,655
one, using the average CMHC rent for NaNIMO as the

945
01:06:14,695 --> 01:06:17,295
benchmark. And then just going 20 percent below the average

946
01:06:17,796 --> 01:06:20,015
as opposed to like the low end. Because if we're

947
01:06:20,436 --> 01:06:24,575
doing average rent and say it's like 1800 dollars and

948
01:06:24,575 --> 01:06:26,075
going 20 percent while it's going to be like, you

949
01:06:26,075 --> 01:06:29,375
know, 1, 400 and that's still, you know, the limit

950
01:06:29,415 --> 01:06:31,695
of price range for like quite a lot of people.

951
01:06:31,695 --> 01:06:36,032
So, uh, yeah. So many of you could speak to

952
01:06:36,053 --> 01:06:40,730
that. Yeah. Through the mayor to, uh, councillor Gesselbrock, we

953
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:45,250
heard from the community, a desire for upwards of 30

954
01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:48,450
percent or more, We heard from the developers a desire

955
01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:51,730
for 10 percent or less. And we heard from the,

956
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:55,970
uh, nonprofit housing provider is somewhere between 15 to 25

957
01:06:56,151 --> 01:07:01,730
percent We use the average market rent per CMHC because

958
01:07:01,770 --> 01:07:06,290
that aligns with the new DCC reduction definition, uh, that

959
01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:08,850
council looked at recently. And so we did ensure there

960
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:11,570
was alignment there. Um, in terms of the level of

961
01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:16,016
affordability, um, it's a starting point. And it gives us

962
01:07:16,037 --> 01:07:18,336
an opportunity to amend it if we're seeing that it's

963
01:07:18,376 --> 01:07:21,216
not, um, affordable, but we also have to make sure

964
01:07:21,237 --> 01:07:24,416
that, um, it is financially viable for development to come

965
01:07:24,456 --> 01:07:27,296
forward. And so it's a recommendation right now that we

966
01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:30,176
start at 20 percent below market and then see how

967
01:07:30,277 --> 01:07:34,491
the program progresses over time. Right. Okay. Yeah. And I

968
01:07:34,491 --> 01:07:37,451
guess the concern, you know, just looking at the different

969
01:07:38,672 --> 01:07:42,651
needs to make it, you know, actually affordable for low,

970
01:07:42,651 --> 01:07:46,731
medium income. And it does require, you know, building innovation,

971
01:07:46,731 --> 01:07:49,451
the cheaper financing and the removing some of these barriers.

972
01:07:49,451 --> 01:07:53,531
And so I think what we could see, and maybe

973
01:07:53,531 --> 01:07:55,051
it is just a matter of like sit back and

974
01:07:55,091 --> 01:07:57,851
see what happened. But I am concerned that we'll pre

975
01:07:57,891 --> 01:08:00,171
- zone a bunch of properties and get something that

976
01:08:00,432 --> 01:08:03,611
really isn't that affordable for the actual demographics we're trying

977
01:08:03,611 --> 01:08:06,091
to hit. So I just want to flag that as

978
01:08:06,512 --> 01:08:10,611
a, as a concern, um, and also I want to

979
01:08:10,611 --> 01:08:13,931
see something get done, um, and put forward and supportable

980
01:08:14,832 --> 01:08:17,851
and then adjust as we need to, as a strategy.

981
01:08:17,851 --> 01:08:21,291
But, uh, I do hold some serious reservations about the

982
01:08:21,632 --> 01:08:23,851
bar that was set there at the 20 percent. Thank

983
01:08:23,851 --> 01:08:31,011
you. Mr. Holmes, did you want to say something in

984
01:08:31,011 --> 01:08:33,571
response? Uh, sure. Thank you, your worship. Maybe I'll just

985
01:08:33,571 --> 01:08:36,211
add, uh, to a bit of context. So we did

986
01:08:36,251 --> 01:08:38,291
hear from, uh, we do hear from a number of

987
01:08:39,192 --> 01:08:44,371
the nonprofit housing providers as well, and from BC Housing

988
01:08:45,192 --> 01:08:51,811
that often now, they're looking to, um, is maybe even

989
01:08:51,811 --> 01:08:53,251
more than what we're going to see in some of

990
01:08:53,251 --> 01:08:55,971
the BC housing projects that are coming forward. But we

991
01:08:55,971 --> 01:09:00,179
do see that they're targeting low end of market. Housing

992
01:09:00,179 --> 01:09:04,559
as well. So they have to, um, the viability, uh,

993
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,139
issue, uh, if they, um, if they go too low,

994
01:09:09,139 --> 01:09:12,479
but actually over time, the idea is over time. And

995
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,619
if we held, um, if public housing had been developed

996
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:21,139
continuously developed through the 90s, early 2000s, um, it would,

997
01:09:21,139 --> 01:09:22,659
it would be held. You're not going to see the

998
01:09:22,659 --> 01:09:25,299
same rate rental rate increases as we've seen in the,

999
01:09:25,299 --> 01:09:30,004
in the private sector housing. So if, if nonprofit, um,

1000
01:09:31,085 --> 01:09:33,944
holders do bring more to the table, even though it's,

1001
01:09:33,944 --> 01:09:37,124
um, like you say, it's maybe not deeply affordable. Um.

1002
01:09:37,773 --> 01:09:41,352
You know, based on current rents, you won't see the

1003
01:09:41,392 --> 01:09:43,032
idea, part of the idea is you won't see the

1004
01:09:43,053 --> 01:09:46,656
rents increase. As greatly as we've seen in the, um,

1005
01:09:46,697 --> 01:09:49,846
in the market rental over time. Uh, so over time,

1006
01:09:49,846 --> 01:09:52,166
we'll see the idea is we'll see a greater pool

1007
01:09:52,187 --> 01:09:56,626
of non - market housing that's going to have, um,

1008
01:09:57,947 --> 01:10:00,946
more gradual renting creases. Um, that's in line with the

1009
01:10:00,967 --> 01:10:03,346
nonprofits mandates, um, so that's one of the things that

1010
01:10:03,346 --> 01:10:08,141
we did here from some of the participants. I just

1011
01:10:08,141 --> 01:10:12,651
thought I'd add that. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Manley.

1012
01:10:13,724 --> 01:10:15,423
Thank you, Mayor. And through to you. Thank you for

1013
01:10:15,423 --> 01:10:20,503
the report and for the, for the work. This applies

1014
01:10:20,604 --> 01:10:24,743
mainly to future or for the, um, secondary urban cores,

1015
01:10:24,743 --> 01:10:28,743
the urban core and corridors. Does it apply to the

1016
01:10:28,924 --> 01:10:33,623
neighbourhood corridors or any other areas that we're for story

1017
01:10:33,804 --> 01:10:39,801
buildings. Gonna be okay. Uh, through the mayor to councillor

1018
01:10:39,982 --> 01:10:45,161
Manly, currently the scope includes primary centre, which is downtown.

1019
01:10:45,161 --> 01:10:48,841
The seven secondary urban centres makes use quarter in urban,

1020
01:10:48,841 --> 01:10:51,561
or sorry, and residential corridor. It will exclude the neighbourhood

1021
01:10:51,582 --> 01:10:55,321
designation, the suburban neighbourhood designation and any other designation at

1022
01:10:55,361 --> 01:10:58,501
this time. We're focusing where we have the higher, um,

1023
01:10:58,942 --> 01:11:02,921
higher density and height options to make the projects viable.

1024
01:11:03,102 --> 01:11:07,467
And where the good solid transit routes? Correct. Near transit

1025
01:11:07,507 --> 01:11:12,295
routes and services and amenities. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1026
01:11:13,507 --> 01:11:20,729
Councillor Him and please. Thank you. I move it at

1027
01:11:20,729 --> 01:11:24,169
zoning amendment by law 2026. Number four five zero zero

1028
01:11:24,190 --> 01:11:27,689
point two five six social housing zone past first reading.

1029
01:11:27,689 --> 01:11:32,035
Secretary Council Eastmare. All those in favor. And getting opposed

1030
01:11:32,376 --> 01:11:35,395
on motion carries. I move that the bylaw pass second

1031
01:11:35,435 --> 01:11:41,136
reading. Second did Councillor Manley. All those in favor. Any

1032
01:11:41,136 --> 01:11:48,495
opposed. Sorry, Councillor Gesselbrock. Thanks. Um, Mayor. Through you, I

1033
01:11:48,495 --> 01:11:50,615
just wanted to say that, um, I do think that

1034
01:11:50,716 --> 01:11:53,255
the prezoning for social housing makes a lot of sense.

1035
01:11:53,717 --> 01:11:56,336
Um, I think it's important that we do reduce barriers

1036
01:11:56,376 --> 01:11:58,496
to getting the much needed affordable housing built in the

1037
01:11:58,496 --> 01:12:00,976
community. And it is one piece of a very multi

1038
01:12:01,237 --> 01:12:06,176
- piece puzzle that can help. I will support this.

1039
01:12:06,176 --> 01:12:08,816
I do want to recognise that I do have some

1040
01:12:08,837 --> 01:12:12,576
reservations about the twenty percent threshold being set and we'll

1041
01:12:12,576 --> 01:12:14,976
be watching this closely to see the uptake. And if

1042
01:12:14,976 --> 01:12:18,416
it needs to be adjusted. So thank you. Thank you,

1043
01:12:18,416 --> 01:12:22,279
Councillor Manley. Thank you. I'm very supportive as well. Anything

1044
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:25,479
that we can do to accelerate affordable housing in the

1045
01:12:25,519 --> 01:12:30,599
community is important. And so looking forward to seeing this

1046
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:34,655
quote of a public hearing. Thanks. Thank you. Any further

1047
01:12:34,655 --> 01:12:38,735
discussion, all those in favor and any opposed on motion

1048
01:12:38,756 --> 01:12:42,495
carries. Thank you very much. The next is 13 development

1049
01:12:42,676 --> 01:12:48,255
reports. And a development variance permit application. Number DVP. You

1050
01:12:48,255 --> 01:12:51,886
were reading two third reading. Sorry. Pardon me. I'm rushing.

1051
01:12:53,391 --> 01:12:56,570
Calhastron Heaven's through the time. Uh, I moved that council

1052
01:12:56,610 --> 01:12:58,810
direct staff to hold a public hearing for zoning amendment

1053
01:12:58,911 --> 01:13:02,010
by law 2026. Number four five zero zero point two

1054
01:13:02,111 --> 01:13:06,571
five six. Second of councillor Thorpe, all those in favor,

1055
01:13:06,571 --> 01:13:09,531
any opposed on motion carries. Now we're on to development

1056
01:13:09,632 --> 01:13:14,891
variance, pyramid application number. DVP491 - 202 and 2104 Street.

1057
01:13:15,071 --> 01:13:18,650
I'm going to declare a conflict. I know the family

1058
01:13:18,751 --> 01:13:20,650
involved very well. And I just don't feel it would

1059
01:13:20,650 --> 01:13:23,610
be right for me to deal with this matter. Accordingly,

1060
01:13:23,610 --> 01:13:25,290
I'll turn the chair over to Councillor Hemins.

1061
01:13:38,081 --> 01:13:40,540
And I will turn it over to staff for a

1062
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:46,554
staff report, please. Madam Chair, there usually isn't any introductions

1063
01:13:46,554 --> 01:13:51,034
for the development reports, but you are, um, going to

1064
01:13:51,055 --> 01:13:53,594
request, um, anyone wishing to speak to this matter come

1065
01:13:53,594 --> 01:13:56,545
up. Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience wishing

1066
01:13:56,545 --> 01:14:03,404
to speak to this matter. I see none. With someone

1067
01:14:03,425 --> 01:14:09,083
care to make the recommended motion. Councillor Easmir, seconded by

1068
01:14:09,123 --> 01:14:13,499
Councillor Armstrong. Any discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor.

1069
01:14:14,991 --> 01:14:16,250
Opposed. I see none opposed.

1070
01:14:34,713 --> 01:14:39,252
The next is item 12, 13B rather. Development permit application.

1071
01:14:39,252 --> 01:14:46,888
Number DP1357 - 5180 Universal Place. There is a recommended

1072
01:14:47,069 --> 01:14:56,530
motion. So moved, Councillor Manley is a secondary councillor Hennons.

1073
01:14:56,530 --> 01:15:03,449
Any discussion. Councillor Armstrong and Councillor Gesselbrock. Yeah, I just,

1074
01:15:03,449 --> 01:15:05,529
um, I have some concerns about this for the simple

1075
01:15:05,569 --> 01:15:08,569
fact. We already have so many issues on Lost Lake.

1076
01:15:08,569 --> 01:15:10,089
Is that road going to be able to take the

1077
01:15:10,129 --> 01:15:12,489
added traffic? Was that look that I know it probably

1078
01:15:12,529 --> 01:15:15,353
doesn't require a traffic study. But, you know, we're getting

1079
01:15:15,614 --> 01:15:18,473
constant complaints about how narrow it is. There's no sidewalks.

1080
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,584
There's so many issues. Will that put an added issue

1081
01:15:23,624 --> 01:15:25,264
on it? Or can it move off to another road

1082
01:15:25,304 --> 01:15:35,150
that I'm missing? Mr. Holm, thank you three worship to

1083
01:15:35,251 --> 01:15:40,510
Councillor Armstrong. So you correct it. The development didn't meet

1084
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:45,542
the threshold to trigger traffic impact assessment. Um, and, uh,

1085
01:15:46,543 --> 01:15:51,322
anticip, we do anticipate that, uh, there will be additional

1086
01:15:51,823 --> 01:15:55,002
parking obviously on, uh, universal place. Sorry, I can't hear

1087
01:15:55,042 --> 01:16:00,182
you. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry. The development did not, you

1088
01:16:00,182 --> 01:16:02,682
correct the development did not trigger the threshold to require

1089
01:16:02,863 --> 01:16:09,729
traffic impact assessment. And, uh, we do anticipate additional, um,

1090
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:14,549
on street parking on universal place. Um, as well. I

1091
01:16:14,549 --> 01:16:19,989
don't know how far, I mean, it'll be, um, difficult

1092
01:16:20,029 --> 01:16:22,949
to predict, but I don't know how your rate lost

1093
01:16:22,989 --> 01:16:27,029
Lake Road is, you know, challenging with respect to on

1094
01:16:27,130 --> 01:16:32,106
street parking. I don't know how far. From the development

1095
01:16:32,527 --> 01:16:35,786
people would be, I guess it would be a behavioral

1096
01:16:35,807 --> 01:16:37,626
thing that how far from the development they'd be willing

1097
01:16:37,626 --> 01:16:42,426
to park and walk. The developer did provide, um, is

1098
01:16:42,426 --> 01:16:48,436
proposing to provide additional. Opportunity for bicycle parking as well

1099
01:16:48,537 --> 01:16:54,996
on site. And, uh, and supports for alternative transportation. It

1100
01:16:55,017 --> 01:16:57,956
is well, as it's a, um, co - housing development

1101
01:16:58,297 --> 01:17:03,956
and they anticipate the vehicle usage in behaviour will be

1102
01:17:05,577 --> 01:17:09,396
different than a typical market development and they anticipate that

1103
01:17:09,497 --> 01:17:13,076
they're providing sufficient parking to, uh, to meet the needs.

1104
01:17:14,417 --> 01:17:16,636
And just one other question, if I may, um, with

1105
01:17:16,636 --> 01:17:18,396
the removal of all those trees seen as it is

1106
01:17:18,577 --> 01:17:21,276
steep slopal, that have a big impact on slope stability.

1107
01:17:24,749 --> 01:17:28,048
Uh, they will, um, through your worship council Armstrong. So

1108
01:17:28,048 --> 01:17:33,368
they will, um, undertake appropriate geotechnical assessments to ensure that

1109
01:17:33,629 --> 01:17:37,580
slope stability is retained. Um, and, uh, yeah, it is

1110
01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:41,020
a steep site and they do anticipate a fair amount

1111
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:44,780
of sight grading. And they've designed the buildings to help

1112
01:17:45,521 --> 01:17:47,300
to achieve some of the site grading as well. So.

1113
01:17:48,164 --> 01:17:53,983
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor GesabRaktin Council Spear. Thanks, Mayor,

1114
01:17:53,983 --> 01:17:58,663
through you. I'm very insupportive this rezoning. We've kind of

1115
01:17:58,663 --> 01:18:02,063
tracking the process of getting into this place. And the

1116
01:18:02,103 --> 01:18:04,603
co - housing model is a really interesting one. And

1117
01:18:04,603 --> 01:18:06,623
I, and I know the folks behind this will be

1118
01:18:06,623 --> 01:18:09,583
really focusing on livability and making this a really great

1119
01:18:09,604 --> 01:18:11,903
place to live. And so I'm happy to see that

1120
01:18:12,164 --> 01:18:14,703
it's made it this far. And, uh, wish all the

1121
01:18:14,743 --> 01:18:17,609
luck to the folks behind this project. Thank you. Thank

1122
01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:24,490
you, Councillor Schmir. Thank you. Um, I wanted to speak

1123
01:18:24,751 --> 01:18:27,050
in support of this, um, because I think the co

1124
01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:30,890
- housing model is one that people are looking for.

1125
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:35,050
It gives an avenue into the ownership market for people

1126
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:39,590
who are sometimes not able to access it. Otherwise. And

1127
01:18:40,511 --> 01:18:44,550
the unit types with like the three bedroom townhouses, um,

1128
01:18:44,671 --> 01:18:47,770
it includes five of those nine two bedroom townhouses. And

1129
01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:50,490
then it also in the one and two bedroom apartments

1130
01:18:50,991 --> 01:18:53,290
for our accessible in the one bedroom and two are

1131
01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:56,390
accessible in the two bedrooms. So I think that's, um,

1132
01:18:56,991 --> 01:18:59,850
that's a really important aspect here because it's a type

1133
01:18:59,850 --> 01:19:03,450
of housing that we do need. And I remember it

1134
01:19:03,490 --> 01:19:06,090
coming through Design Panel and the Design panel was pretty

1135
01:19:06,111 --> 01:19:09,770
supportive of this. They did make some recommendations. And as

1136
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:12,810
a result, um, a few tweaks have been made, including

1137
01:19:12,831 --> 01:19:17,690
adding some more trees. So I'm appreciative of the design

1138
01:19:17,711 --> 01:19:21,690
panels work on this. And we'll be voting in support

1139
01:19:21,730 --> 01:19:25,530
of this. But I do hear the concerns about the

1140
01:19:25,711 --> 01:19:29,050
increased traffic and loss Lake Road. And I, um, remain

1141
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:32,570
committed to trying to do what we can to slow

1142
01:19:32,591 --> 01:19:35,610
traffic along Las Lake Road and to make it a

1143
01:19:35,711 --> 01:19:39,770
safer experience for pedestrian. So I would support any future

1144
01:19:40,191 --> 01:19:44,526
traffic calming and pedestrian improvements along loss Lake Road. Thank

1145
01:19:44,526 --> 01:19:49,167
you, Councillor Manley. Thank you through your mayor. Um, I

1146
01:19:49,508 --> 01:19:51,647
am very supportive of this as well. I think the

1147
01:19:51,647 --> 01:19:56,447
co - housing model is very interesting community building model

1148
01:19:56,868 --> 01:19:59,567
and the co - housing Pacific Gardens co - housing

1149
01:19:59,607 --> 01:20:02,527
community on 7th. This has been very successful. And I,

1150
01:20:02,527 --> 01:20:05,887
I know, um, they have less parking spaces there as

1151
01:20:05,887 --> 01:20:09,727
well, but also co - op car. Andy, uh, which

1152
01:20:09,748 --> 01:20:14,287
is well used. And, um, it's a real community building

1153
01:20:14,628 --> 01:20:18,847
projects. So I think, uh, I wish them all the

1154
01:20:18,847 --> 01:20:22,287
success from getting this done. Thanks. Thank you very much.

1155
01:20:24,384 --> 01:20:31,192
Any further questions, comments. Yes. Council Thirt. Thank you, your

1156
01:20:31,192 --> 01:20:33,552
worship. I'm sorry, but I can't resist. Um, I support

1157
01:20:33,573 --> 01:20:35,952
this project and I will vote in favor of it.

1158
01:20:35,952 --> 01:20:39,312
But I, I have to express my, my ongoing concern

1159
01:20:39,352 --> 01:20:42,192
about parking variations. And we saw it in the last

1160
01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:45,912
proposal that we just passed. And I voted for. We

1161
01:20:45,912 --> 01:20:49,072
see it in this proposal where the variation, uh, goes

1162
01:20:49,112 --> 01:20:53,780
from 50 to 39 parking spaces. And the staff report

1163
01:20:53,961 --> 01:20:57,060
even notes that, uh, this may result in spillover parking

1164
01:20:57,161 --> 01:21:00,727
on the surrounding neighbourhood. We're doing this more and more.

1165
01:21:00,727 --> 01:21:04,327
And we're just putting more cars parked on neighbourhood roads,

1166
01:21:04,327 --> 01:21:08,087
which causes other problems. Uh, in this case, it's 29

1167
01:21:08,108 --> 01:21:13,012
units. Um, and there's only allowance for three visitor parking

1168
01:21:13,052 --> 01:21:17,252
spaces. On the other hand, we have 29 spaces for

1169
01:21:17,353 --> 01:21:20,972
secure bike parking. Again, this is great in theory. I

1170
01:21:20,972 --> 01:21:25,652
don't think it reflects the reality of transportation patterns or

1171
01:21:25,753 --> 01:21:28,532
parking problems in the city. So I will support the

1172
01:21:28,553 --> 01:21:37,332
project, but I'm really discouraged by this ongoing, not ignoring,

1173
01:21:37,332 --> 01:21:45,921
but varying of parking. Thank you. Thank you. And further.

1174
01:21:49,172 --> 01:21:51,391
It's great. Did we move the motion? We've been chatting

1175
01:21:51,652 --> 01:21:54,795
so long. Oh good. It's on the floor. All those

1176
01:21:54,896 --> 01:21:59,207
in favor. And any opposed, none motion carries. Uh, the

1177
01:21:59,228 --> 01:22:03,687
next is C liquor license amendment application number LA159 -

1178
01:22:03,868 --> 01:22:10,823
240 Skinner Street. We do have a delegation. Carl Butterworth,

1179
01:22:10,823 --> 01:22:15,363
director Harbour Dan Studios Inc. Mr. Butterworth. Good evening. If

1180
01:22:15,464 --> 01:22:18,083
you can introduce yourself for the record, you'll have five

1181
01:22:18,083 --> 01:22:20,243
minutes. And when the minute left, I'll let you know.

1182
01:22:20,344 --> 01:22:23,252
Good evening. Thank you, your worship. Um, and perhaps I

1183
01:22:23,252 --> 01:22:25,312
can introduce myself through my speech that I've cared for

1184
01:22:25,353 --> 01:22:27,492
written out. And I won't require the one Morning. Thank

1185
01:22:27,492 --> 01:22:31,954
you very much. Your worship councillor, city staff. Thank you

1186
01:22:31,954 --> 01:22:34,594
for the opportunity to speak. I'm Carl Butterworth. My wife,

1187
01:22:34,634 --> 01:22:37,750
Stacey and I own Harbordant Studios. We've been a little

1188
01:22:37,851 --> 01:22:41,116
literal cornerstone of the arts district for 37 years. With

1189
01:22:41,116 --> 01:22:44,316
an enrollment of 350 students, we bring approximately 300 families

1190
01:22:44,497 --> 01:22:47,659
downtown several times each week. We are in anchor business

1191
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,139
and many businesses state that our clients are a significant

1192
01:22:50,179 --> 01:22:53,139
factor in their success. We operate from 9 a. m.

1193
01:22:53,139 --> 01:22:55,579
until 9. 30 p. m. Monday to Friday and 9

1194
01:22:55,619 --> 01:22:57,499
a. m. until 6 p. m. on Saturday and Sunday.

1195
01:22:58,534 --> 01:23:02,513
30 years of continuous operation means that we predate all

1196
01:23:02,534 --> 01:23:06,084
downtown clubs except the Palace Hotel. Noting have we earned

1197
01:23:06,124 --> 01:23:08,324
the right to be where we are. We make downtown

1198
01:23:08,505 --> 01:23:12,244
a brighter, more diverse, and a friendlier place. Five minutes

1199
01:23:12,505 --> 01:23:14,164
is not enough time to relate all of the negative

1200
01:23:14,185 --> 01:23:16,404
impacts the sweet spot lounge has had on our business

1201
01:23:16,505 --> 01:23:19,657
since switching to strippers in February. Increasing the hours during

1202
01:23:19,697 --> 01:23:22,377
which the sweet spot lounge can serve alcohol will further

1203
01:23:22,478 --> 01:23:25,257
damage our business and the reputation of downtown than IMO.

1204
01:23:25,977 --> 01:23:28,036
The proponent has stated that he will use the increased

1205
01:23:28,057 --> 01:23:30,957
hours for a sports bar and special events. We can

1206
01:23:30,978 --> 01:23:33,037
all guess what the special events will be as the

1207
01:23:33,058 --> 01:23:35,757
interior has been purpose renovated to accommodate only one kind

1208
01:23:35,757 --> 01:23:39,197
of event. In my discussions with the proponent, he stated

1209
01:23:39,218 --> 01:23:41,917
that he couldn't keep operating as a karaoke club because

1210
01:23:41,938 --> 01:23:44,717
people came in ordered water and sat there all night.

1211
01:23:45,427 --> 01:23:47,166
As a result, he was so desperate to make money

1212
01:23:47,267 --> 01:23:49,566
that he convinced himself that it was okay to open

1213
01:23:49,587 --> 01:23:52,653
a strip club next to a children's school. If a

1214
01:23:52,653 --> 01:23:55,533
strip show at noon afternoon evening and nighttime is what

1215
01:23:55,573 --> 01:23:58,577
makes money, that is what he will do. That is

1216
01:23:58,577 --> 01:24:00,897
what he has done so far. To believe that he

1217
01:24:00,937 --> 01:24:02,977
will operate a sports bar from 11 a. m. until

1218
01:24:03,078 --> 01:24:05,842
7 p. m. is naive at best. I should point

1219
01:24:05,882 --> 01:24:08,162
out to counsel that the old city station pub is

1220
01:24:08,183 --> 01:24:10,802
an actual sports bar that is open from 11 a.

1221
01:24:10,802 --> 01:24:12,562
m. until 2 a. m. and is one block away

1222
01:24:12,602 --> 01:24:16,564
from the proponent's location. The palace hotels alcohol from 11

1223
01:24:16,585 --> 01:24:18,564
a. m. to 2 a. m. and is located 30

1224
01:24:18,604 --> 01:24:22,588
feet from the proponent's location. Creeding even more daytime opportunities

1225
01:24:22,628 --> 01:24:25,708
to serve alcohol will not improve the vibrancy of downtown

1226
01:24:25,889 --> 01:24:28,867
as city staff characterizes it in the report. It will

1227
01:24:28,888 --> 01:24:32,774
cause more conflicts. I have serious concerns with the report

1228
01:24:32,814 --> 01:24:35,894
produced by city staff. The public notice and comment sheets

1229
01:24:35,915 --> 01:24:39,094
circulated by staff says the city is quote responsible for

1230
01:24:39,134 --> 01:24:42,498
gathering the views of local residents and business owners. Nowhere

1231
01:24:42,498 --> 01:24:43,938
on the forum does it state that the city will

1232
01:24:43,978 --> 01:24:46,658
only use feedback from entities located within a hundred metres

1233
01:24:46,679 --> 01:24:49,954
of the subject property. Staff stated that seven feedback forms

1234
01:24:50,055 --> 01:24:53,074
were received from within the arbitrary 100 metre radius and

1235
01:24:53,335 --> 01:24:56,472
175 were received from outside of it. To change the

1236
01:24:56,512 --> 01:25:00,152
rules after the consultation this process has been concluded represents

1237
01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:02,712
a breach of procedural fairness by ignoring the results of

1238
01:25:02,752 --> 01:25:06,170
feedback it's solicited which was provided in good faith. This

1239
01:25:06,271 --> 01:25:09,850
also represents a failure to consider relevant considerations by deliberately

1240
01:25:09,871 --> 01:25:13,613
limiting the information given to decision makers. I believe is

1241
01:25:13,613 --> 01:25:16,534
incumbent on council to discard this report. I say this

1242
01:25:16,574 --> 01:25:19,714
because some of the forms receive were simply comments, but

1243
01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,574
many of the sheets are better described as victim impact

1244
01:25:21,755 --> 01:25:24,720
statements. I will bring up one example. One of our

1245
01:25:24,741 --> 01:25:27,480
clients was leaving the dance studio where their children. As

1246
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:29,600
she walked past our parking lot she and her two

1247
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,600
children heard a group of men smoking outside the club

1248
01:25:31,701 --> 01:25:34,880
comparing the vaginas of different strippers. Who doesn't like a

1249
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,553
good vagina was part of the commentary. If you don't

1250
01:25:37,593 --> 01:25:40,753
like hearing the word vagina in council proceedings, imagine the

1251
01:25:40,753 --> 01:25:42,593
level of discomfort where you're a mother on her own

1252
01:25:42,694 --> 01:25:45,153
at night walking past a group of men who clearly

1253
01:25:45,254 --> 01:25:47,978
have little respect for women. Then imagine trying to explain

1254
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:50,298
the situation to your daughters who are eight and ten.

1255
01:25:51,691 --> 01:25:54,310
The people whose comment city staff have ignored spend between

1256
01:25:54,571 --> 01:25:56,950
two and twenty five hours downtown at our DANS studio

1257
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:59,270
each week. That's more time than many part - time

1258
01:25:59,270 --> 01:26:02,550
employees in the surrounding businesses. Their comments deserve to be

1259
01:26:02,590 --> 01:26:05,430
considered. And once again, five minutes is not long enough

1260
01:26:05,470 --> 01:26:07,935
to describe all of the negative impact. The Nine was

1261
01:26:07,975 --> 01:26:10,575
official community plan asks the question, what does a healthy

1262
01:26:10,676 --> 01:26:13,535
Nanaimo look like in a neighbourhood? It follows with seven

1263
01:26:13,556 --> 01:26:18,373
aspirational statements that achieve a healthy NNIMO. Four of these

1264
01:26:18,413 --> 01:26:22,703
statements are. A caring, healthy, accessible, inclusive, and safe community

1265
01:26:23,124 --> 01:26:27,343
that empowers its community members to realise their aspirations. A

1266
01:26:27,383 --> 01:26:29,823
high degree of perceived an actual public safety and security

1267
01:26:29,924 --> 01:26:33,503
where all people can equitably live, work, play, create and

1268
01:26:33,543 --> 01:26:38,383
learn. A safe down. A safe downtown with less instances

1269
01:26:38,484 --> 01:26:41,423
of people encountering negative experiences in downtown and throughout the

1270
01:26:41,423 --> 01:26:44,541
community. Safe and security in all parts of the city

1271
01:26:44,562 --> 01:26:48,982
supporting a diverse community members and businesses to thrive. Council,

1272
01:26:48,982 --> 01:26:51,142
I ask you, how does extending the hours during which

1273
01:26:51,323 --> 01:26:53,542
a strip club can serve alcohol reduce the number of

1274
01:26:53,582 --> 01:26:57,190
negative experiences people have downtown. I was increasing the amount

1275
01:26:57,230 --> 01:26:59,430
of time per day that women are degraded and exploited

1276
01:26:59,470 --> 01:27:03,350
for profit create a healthier Nanaimo. How does more daytime

1277
01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:06,608
intoxication in the arts district improve safety and security. How

1278
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:08,728
does the removal of a business like ours create a

1279
01:27:08,728 --> 01:27:11,698
more diverse community of businesses downtown. It is bad enough

1280
01:27:11,738 --> 01:27:13,778
that a Nimo is now known across Canada for having

1281
01:27:13,879 --> 01:27:16,568
strip club and extra children's school. We beg you not

1282
01:27:16,568 --> 01:27:19,208
to compound this problem. Please do not approve the extension

1283
01:27:19,389 --> 01:27:21,278
for the liquor license to this club. Thank you for

1284
01:27:21,278 --> 01:27:26,558
your consideration. Thank you. Councillor Manley. Uh, thank you. Thank

1285
01:27:26,598 --> 01:27:29,598
you for your presentation. Um, have you had neighbours like

1286
01:27:29,598 --> 01:27:32,078
this in the past? Was there a club like this

1287
01:27:32,179 --> 01:27:38,812
in the, um, below the painted turtle. There was not

1288
01:27:38,812 --> 01:27:41,452
in the last 37 years. We've had the club concept

1289
01:27:41,553 --> 01:27:43,772
where this club is now operating before that there wasn't

1290
01:27:43,772 --> 01:27:46,012
a club there that I'm aware of. Uh, we'll always

1291
01:27:46,012 --> 01:27:49,612
have club two for one slash club concept slash the

1292
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:53,132
jungle and the POS hotel. But in the painted turtle

1293
01:27:53,313 --> 01:27:57,212
was her, was there, there was a gambling facility there.

1294
01:27:57,212 --> 01:27:59,653
Was there a script club there at one point? Does

1295
01:27:59,653 --> 01:28:03,273
anybody know. There was an off racetrack horse betting thing

1296
01:28:03,294 --> 01:28:08,494
there when I came here? Okay. Yeah, I'm just curious.

1297
01:28:09,326 --> 01:28:12,985
Thank you for your presentation. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor

1298
01:28:13,246 --> 01:28:22,778
Smear. Thank you. So just to. Clarify in the

1299
01:28:22,818 --> 01:28:25,258
report, it says that they're asking for the extended hours

1300
01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:30,778
to have a sports bar and potential events during that,

1301
01:28:30,778 --> 01:28:34,618
uh, those earlier hours. It doesn't give you any sense

1302
01:28:34,658 --> 01:28:39,418
of, um, more confidence that it wouldn't be like, let's

1303
01:28:39,418 --> 01:28:42,378
call them the nighttime activities that happen at that club.

1304
01:28:42,378 --> 01:28:44,298
And it's more like the sports bar oriented thing during

1305
01:28:44,298 --> 01:28:47,172
the day. Having worked with the proponent tried to find

1306
01:28:47,172 --> 01:28:49,092
a way forward on this. No, I don't believe that

1307
01:28:49,673 --> 01:28:51,732
what he is saying is what will happen in fact.

1308
01:28:51,732 --> 01:28:54,164
However, we don't know that until that goes forward. I

1309
01:28:54,164 --> 01:28:57,044
know that we come into considerable conflict with their patrons

1310
01:28:57,065 --> 01:28:59,924
and their staff over use of our parking lot, which

1311
01:28:59,924 --> 01:29:01,924
they're using abuse that they're willing. I know if they

1312
01:29:01,945 --> 01:29:04,084
start earlier in the day, that means our staff who

1313
01:29:04,084 --> 01:29:06,644
are all female will be struggling to find parking at

1314
01:29:06,684 --> 01:29:09,044
our building and we'll have to part further away and

1315
01:29:09,084 --> 01:29:11,044
walk into work, not being able to get parking at

1316
01:29:11,084 --> 01:29:13,372
their own place of work. So you have a, you

1317
01:29:13,372 --> 01:29:15,812
have a shared parking lot or it's just the, we

1318
01:29:15,812 --> 01:29:17,932
own the parking lot entirely and they use it at

1319
01:29:17,972 --> 01:29:20,849
their own discretion. We struggled because if we start towing

1320
01:29:20,849 --> 01:29:23,329
people, then as drunk come out of the club, find

1321
01:29:23,329 --> 01:29:25,249
their car towed, then I'm getting rocks through the back

1322
01:29:25,289 --> 01:29:27,089
of my building and all the windows, which are three

1323
01:29:27,089 --> 01:29:31,564
thousand dollars of peace. So I am loath to toe

1324
01:29:31,564 --> 01:29:33,244
cars when I know I'm going to experience the negative

1325
01:29:33,265 --> 01:29:37,203
low back from drunk people. Okay, appreciate you sharing your

1326
01:29:37,464 --> 01:29:39,923
experience. And I'm sorry you're experiencing this. Thank you. Thank

1327
01:29:39,923 --> 01:29:47,790
you. I appreciate that. Cal Ceprino. Uh, thank you, your

1328
01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:50,990
worship and thank you to the speaker this, um, your

1329
01:29:50,990 --> 01:29:53,710
presentation was excellent. I'm just wondering you had talked about

1330
01:29:53,891 --> 01:29:56,750
a couple of the other establishments that, you know, serve

1331
01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:59,710
food and alcohol and they're open from the 11 to

1332
01:29:59,811 --> 01:30:02,270
the 2 a. m. Do you experience any problems with

1333
01:30:02,451 --> 01:30:07,801
them for your business. We do councillor, but it's been

1334
01:30:07,982 --> 01:30:10,121
37 years. We're quite used to it. I clean up

1335
01:30:11,022 --> 01:30:16,041
puke feces. Urine needles, um, all sorts of stuff on

1336
01:30:16,081 --> 01:30:19,161
a regular basis. Yes. However, we are downtown and we

1337
01:30:19,161 --> 01:30:22,121
appreciate that. And there is, you know, there's a certain

1338
01:30:22,121 --> 01:30:23,721
amount of being downtown. This is what we put up

1339
01:30:23,761 --> 01:30:25,801
with. And the clients who come to us are used

1340
01:30:25,801 --> 01:30:27,461
to that. So that hasn't been an impediment in the

1341
01:30:27,461 --> 01:30:31,537
past. With the specific nature of this business with its

1342
01:30:31,577 --> 01:30:34,897
conflict with a school that has been an ongoing issue.

1343
01:30:34,897 --> 01:30:38,457
And honestly, the other bars employee professionals in terms of

1344
01:30:38,758 --> 01:30:40,977
bouncers and other staff, we're able to control their patrons

1345
01:30:40,977 --> 01:30:44,017
to a much higher degree. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you

1346
01:30:44,038 --> 01:30:46,817
so much. I appreciate that. And your worship when it

1347
01:30:46,817 --> 01:30:48,977
comes time for Staff, I have some questions for staff

1348
01:30:49,078 --> 01:30:53,337
if possible. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Mr. Butterworth, a

1349
01:30:53,337 --> 01:30:55,697
couple of questions. The entrance to the dance school is

1350
01:30:56,118 --> 01:31:00,587
off Bastion, is that correct? When entrance is off of

1351
01:31:00,688 --> 01:31:03,067
Bastion and one is through our parking lot sir. We're

1352
01:31:03,067 --> 01:31:05,871
parking lot. But you said the parking lot is for

1353
01:31:05,911 --> 01:31:08,677
staff use. Yes. First half of a Harbour Dance Studios.

1354
01:31:08,965 --> 01:31:12,784
Okay. So the general public though is entering off Bastion.

1355
01:31:12,784 --> 01:31:13,904
I just want to be clear here and try and

1356
01:31:13,904 --> 01:31:17,533
understand it. We have two entrances. So Bastion Street is

1357
01:31:17,533 --> 01:31:20,053
where about 80 percent of our clientele going through. We

1358
01:31:20,053 --> 01:31:22,373
have a lower studio in the basement that you require

1359
01:31:22,373 --> 01:31:24,533
to go around the building into the parking lot and

1360
01:31:24,533 --> 01:31:26,773
then enter into that through that area. Okay. So we

1361
01:31:26,773 --> 01:31:30,813
do have clients of all ages from six, I think

1362
01:31:30,813 --> 01:31:33,813
at the youngest up to 20 at the oldest plus

1363
01:31:33,853 --> 01:31:35,813
centre adult classes who are all ages who go in

1364
01:31:35,834 --> 01:31:39,093
through the parking lot entrance. And I say this and

1365
01:31:39,093 --> 01:31:41,393
I want to emphasize not as a patron, but, um,

1366
01:31:42,314 --> 01:31:45,973
old enough to remember that, uh, the flat roof building

1367
01:31:46,554 --> 01:31:49,813
beside the palisatel was the office, la office of gear,

1368
01:31:49,813 --> 01:31:52,533
rear Morton and spruel, as I recall. And that operated

1369
01:31:52,954 --> 01:31:55,333
as a strip club for his number of years too

1370
01:31:55,373 --> 01:31:59,431
during your tenure. Is that correct and fair. The one

1371
01:31:59,431 --> 01:32:03,408
that's across the road, this now club evolve. Yes. When

1372
01:32:03,408 --> 01:32:05,648
we first purchased the studio, it was still a jungle.

1373
01:32:06,979 --> 01:32:10,398
Thank you. Um, and look, I'm going to ask you,

1374
01:32:10,438 --> 01:32:12,398
you said it would take a long time to discuss

1375
01:32:12,419 --> 01:32:15,678
them, but, but what other kinds of incidents are you

1376
01:32:15,678 --> 01:32:17,818
referring to when you say that it's been very, uh,

1377
01:32:17,818 --> 01:32:22,813
challenging for you. Um, we've had two incidents. We have

1378
01:32:22,853 --> 01:32:26,173
a fence that protects the backstairs into our building on

1379
01:32:26,173 --> 01:32:28,393
two incidents now. That's been knocked down by cars. The

1380
01:32:28,393 --> 01:32:30,973
second one was by a drunk driver. Fortunately, there was

1381
01:32:30,973 --> 01:32:33,373
a witness to that one who reported that a person

1382
01:32:33,413 --> 01:32:36,072
came out of the club. Had parked their truck in

1383
01:32:36,072 --> 01:32:38,152
our parking lot backed up, hit our fence and then

1384
01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:40,747
drove away in a very erratic manner. Uh, that was

1385
01:32:40,768 --> 01:32:43,147
reported to police, thankfully. The person was charged with leaving

1386
01:32:43,248 --> 01:32:44,947
the scene of an accident, but was not able to

1387
01:32:44,947 --> 01:32:48,034
be charged with impair driving. I have a video camera

1388
01:32:48,034 --> 01:32:50,354
on the back parking lot. I regularly see patrons come

1389
01:32:50,354 --> 01:32:53,554
out of the sweet spot going to our parking lot,

1390
01:32:53,554 --> 01:32:55,074
go to our dumpster pee on the dumpster and go

1391
01:32:55,114 --> 01:32:58,444
back with the bouncers watching them. Um, we had our

1392
01:32:58,484 --> 01:33:01,972
neighbour who owns the park and block. Had an escort

1393
01:33:02,012 --> 01:33:04,532
agency tried to set up in their business about two

1394
01:33:04,572 --> 01:33:07,161
months after this club had opened. I don't suggest that

1395
01:33:07,422 --> 01:33:09,481
had anything to do specifically with the people from the

1396
01:33:09,582 --> 01:33:12,281
club. However, one kind of business draws in other kind

1397
01:33:12,281 --> 01:33:15,001
of business. We were very, very thankful that she turned

1398
01:33:15,001 --> 01:33:18,870
that down much to her own financial detriment. Um, the

1399
01:33:19,051 --> 01:33:21,410
emotional impact to our clients. I related one story, but

1400
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:24,750
those impact reports, the surveys you got back, I would

1401
01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:26,630
welcome you to read them. There are many more in

1402
01:33:26,651 --> 01:33:29,519
there. Um, our problem is that we're looking at having

1403
01:33:29,620 --> 01:33:31,359
to fence our parking lot as a minimum and that's

1404
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:33,519
50, 000 dollars and really nobody's making a lot of

1405
01:33:33,519 --> 01:33:35,839
money teaching children how to dance. So that's an incredible

1406
01:33:35,940 --> 01:33:40,069
financial burden for us to bear. The garbage and waste

1407
01:33:40,109 --> 01:33:41,829
our property has always been a problem. It's gone up

1408
01:33:41,829 --> 01:33:44,789
a little bit. Um, but it's not in the thing,

1409
01:33:44,789 --> 01:33:50,251
anything that's not unutil. Thank you very much. I'm not

1410
01:33:50,272 --> 01:33:54,411
seeing any other questions. Crown Soprino again. Yes, please. Thank

1411
01:33:54,411 --> 01:33:57,291
you. You worship a couple of questions for staff. My

1412
01:33:57,331 --> 01:34:01,291
understanding is that Council Brino, if may I let the

1413
01:34:01,291 --> 01:34:04,331
delegation sit down then? Oh, yes. Yes. Sorry you worship.

1414
01:34:04,371 --> 01:34:09,761
Thank you Mr. Butterworth. Appreciate your time. Counselprino. Sorry you

1415
01:34:09,761 --> 01:34:13,283
worship a question. A question to staff. If I might,

1416
01:34:13,283 --> 01:34:18,083
I'm just wondering my understanding is, is that, um, the

1417
01:34:18,123 --> 01:34:20,483
proponent is asking for the hours of course to switch

1418
01:34:20,523 --> 01:34:24,243
from 7 PMs to start time to 11 AM start

1419
01:34:24,344 --> 01:34:29,283
time. Is, is that, are they asking, um, or I'm

1420
01:34:29,283 --> 01:34:32,883
saying it incorrectly, would they be allowing exotic dancers from

1421
01:34:33,384 --> 01:34:35,523
as early as 11 a. m. on as far as

1422
01:34:35,523 --> 01:34:37,923
we know or is that just for the evening hours.

1423
01:34:40,832 --> 01:34:44,171
Mr. Holm, thank you through your, uh, worship to Councillor

1424
01:34:44,272 --> 01:34:50,871
Prino. That's not their stated intent, although the use, the

1425
01:34:50,871 --> 01:34:56,571
adult entertainment use is permitted anywhere, uh, nightclub is permitted,

1426
01:34:56,571 --> 01:35:01,611
which this is operating as. So this is, uh, a

1427
01:35:01,611 --> 01:35:05,771
permitted use on the property. What we're being councils being

1428
01:35:05,811 --> 01:35:09,851
asked to consider is a, um, expansion of the liquor

1429
01:35:09,851 --> 01:35:14,331
service hours. And that's a requirement of the province for

1430
01:35:14,432 --> 01:35:17,851
council to consider, uh, input from the community and provide

1431
01:35:18,112 --> 01:35:21,451
comment on the, um, expansion of ours to the liquor

1432
01:35:21,491 --> 01:35:26,491
primary license. So I know, um, the challenge with the,

1433
01:35:26,491 --> 01:35:29,556
uh, some of the concerns in the community. You know,

1434
01:35:29,577 --> 01:35:33,456
it's understandable, um, related to the adult entertainment use, but

1435
01:35:33,456 --> 01:35:36,996
it is a, uh, it's a metic. It is a

1436
01:35:37,036 --> 01:35:40,596
permitted use. And what's being asked, uh, expansion of the

1437
01:35:40,937 --> 01:35:45,236
liquor service hours, uh, not, not explicitly the expansion of

1438
01:35:45,236 --> 01:35:48,976
the adult injurtainment use. It's really a separate issue. But

1439
01:35:49,497 --> 01:35:52,436
I can understand the concern. And so the, the application

1440
01:35:52,457 --> 01:35:58,330
was reviewed. In accordance with the, um, city's liquor license

1441
01:35:58,351 --> 01:36:02,490
review policy. Council is established as well as the liquor

1442
01:36:02,530 --> 01:36:05,910
control and licensing act, the requirements of the province. And

1443
01:36:06,111 --> 01:36:11,690
in council's liquor license review policy, there's a requirement to

1444
01:36:11,711 --> 01:36:16,170
provide notice within 100 metres. Um, provide a 30 day

1445
01:36:16,210 --> 01:36:24,490
comment period. Although, um, notices the report, the staff report

1446
01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:29,730
speaks to 180 comments, 182 comment sheets being provided. It

1447
01:36:30,591 --> 01:36:34,663
does include all of the comment sheets provided. Um, it

1448
01:36:34,764 --> 01:36:38,423
just breaks down that, um, seven of those were from

1449
01:36:38,463 --> 01:36:42,983
within the 100 metre notification area. Whereas 175 were from

1450
01:36:43,004 --> 01:36:46,183
outside the notification area just to clarify that item as

1451
01:36:46,183 --> 01:36:50,023
well. So. Okay. And just, just one more quick question.

1452
01:36:50,023 --> 01:36:52,423
My understanding with the way these applications work is that.

1453
01:36:53,704 --> 01:36:56,883
If we, if we agree and move it forward, then

1454
01:36:56,883 --> 01:36:59,123
it goes on to the government. The government may or

1455
01:36:59,163 --> 01:37:02,639
may not agree to it. Even if we vote against

1456
01:37:02,820 --> 01:37:06,559
it, it may still go to the government and they

1457
01:37:06,599 --> 01:37:10,729
still be passed. Is that correct? Uh, good question. I

1458
01:37:10,729 --> 01:37:15,049
think, I think, um, the liquor control and liquor cannabis

1459
01:37:15,089 --> 01:37:19,369
regulation branch takes council's input strongly. They do hold the

1460
01:37:19,409 --> 01:37:25,769
final decision. But, uh, they do look, um, strongly to

1461
01:37:25,769 --> 01:37:29,449
local government comment as well. Okay. Okay. Thank you very

1462
01:37:29,489 --> 01:37:33,547
much. Thank you, your worship. Thank you, Councillor Thorpe. Thank

1463
01:37:33,547 --> 01:37:36,267
you, worship, through you to staff. If I may, I

1464
01:37:36,267 --> 01:37:39,467
just want to be clear, because I sense that we're,

1465
01:37:39,488 --> 01:37:42,507
we're confusing a couple of different issues here. And one

1466
01:37:42,507 --> 01:37:44,267
of the issues we seem to be talking about is

1467
01:37:44,288 --> 01:37:47,527
the type of club or operation that this is. And

1468
01:37:47,527 --> 01:37:51,647
that's not, that's not under debate. It's a night club.

1469
01:37:51,647 --> 01:37:54,607
It's, it's allowed to be there. It's allowed to have

1470
01:37:54,628 --> 01:37:57,833
adult entertainment. That's not at issue. All we're talking about

1471
01:37:58,174 --> 01:38:03,043
is extension of the hours to serve liquor. From 11

1472
01:38:03,304 --> 01:38:07,363
instead of from 7 p. m. 11 a. m. instead

1473
01:38:07,403 --> 01:38:09,283
of from 7 p. m. So I think we need

1474
01:38:09,283 --> 01:38:12,643
to focus on that and as councillor Perino has indicated,

1475
01:38:12,643 --> 01:38:15,123
even if we indicate support, it still has to go

1476
01:38:15,123 --> 01:38:20,483
to the, uh, liquor and cannabis regulation branch to make

1477
01:38:20,523 --> 01:38:27,385
a determination. To me, most restaurants or clubs, uh, and

1478
01:38:27,385 --> 01:38:29,225
I could stand to be corrected here. But I think

1479
01:38:29,326 --> 01:38:33,065
most do have liquor sales, uh, earlier in the day.

1480
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,739
So I'm, I'm not sure that I see anything compelling

1481
01:38:37,779 --> 01:38:42,219
here to deny this application and to confuse that with

1482
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:46,224
the type of club it is. Uh, where they're allowed

1483
01:38:46,224 --> 01:38:49,724
to have the entertainment they do. I think is, uh,

1484
01:38:50,165 --> 01:38:53,904
is, um, is not irrelevant, but I don't think it's

1485
01:38:53,925 --> 01:38:57,885
germane to our decision. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Armstrong.

1486
01:38:57,986 --> 01:39:00,445
Thank you. I agree with the comments of Councillor Thorpe.

1487
01:39:00,445 --> 01:39:03,485
We have to recognise it doesn't matter what's in there.

1488
01:39:03,485 --> 01:39:05,725
It's, do we agree with having a liquor license from

1489
01:39:05,826 --> 01:39:08,547
11 o'clock or do we leave it at seven. Uh,

1490
01:39:08,648 --> 01:39:10,627
I work this area for many, many years back in

1491
01:39:10,627 --> 01:39:13,187
the 90s when there were seven strip clubs in the

1492
01:39:13,187 --> 01:39:17,582
area. No issues. Um, I followed this on Facebook with

1493
01:39:17,622 --> 01:39:20,222
the majority of people in favor of, of the extension

1494
01:39:20,262 --> 01:39:22,542
of the license. And most of them said they're more

1495
01:39:22,582 --> 01:39:25,022
concerned about CNADX and people passed out on the street

1496
01:39:25,283 --> 01:39:28,382
and what they're doing than somebody leaving a place where

1497
01:39:28,382 --> 01:39:31,742
you can't see inside. So I think as Councillor Thorpe

1498
01:39:31,763 --> 01:39:34,302
says you have to remove what's being used there, whether

1499
01:39:34,302 --> 01:39:37,142
it was a restaurant or whether it's a bar, do

1500
01:39:37,142 --> 01:39:39,182
you extend the liquor license? You can't go to what

1501
01:39:39,603 --> 01:39:44,220
the use is. Thank you. Thank you. Council Rear. Thank

1502
01:39:44,220 --> 01:39:49,060
you. Through you just a procedural question. Like there's, I

1503
01:39:49,060 --> 01:39:52,060
believe someone involved with the application in the audience. Usually

1504
01:39:52,060 --> 01:39:53,580
like putting their hand up. And I'm just wondering like

1505
01:39:53,841 --> 01:39:57,660
there was an opportunity to sign up as a delegation.

1506
01:39:57,681 --> 01:40:03,852
So at this point like Ms. Scurry. Yes. You worship

1507
01:40:03,873 --> 01:40:07,292
there was an opportunity to sign up as a delegation.

1508
01:40:07,292 --> 01:40:09,452
Um, so the procedure bylaw doesn't allow speakers from the

1509
01:40:09,473 --> 01:40:14,908
audience. Okay. Yeah. I appreciate that, um, that clarification. Like

1510
01:40:14,908 --> 01:40:18,748
I wish that I could have heard more in response,

1511
01:40:18,748 --> 01:40:27,793
particularly to the first delegation. Um. And so like I

1512
01:40:27,793 --> 01:40:32,033
can't just take comments from the audience and to consideration,

1513
01:40:32,033 --> 01:40:37,346
but I appreciate being here. Like I would say that

1514
01:40:37,447 --> 01:40:41,279
councils received a fair bit of, um. Concern from the

1515
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:45,119
community about this establishment and whether those concerns are warranted

1516
01:40:45,140 --> 01:40:49,483
or not. Um, I do appreciate hearing from the first

1517
01:40:49,523 --> 01:40:55,195
delegation. And I understand why people have concerns. And I

1518
01:40:55,195 --> 01:40:58,075
think that like the read that I'm getting from the

1519
01:40:58,115 --> 01:41:01,115
community is that the whole lot of like social license

1520
01:41:01,776 --> 01:41:05,835
for this extension. I haven't seen or read very much

1521
01:41:05,936 --> 01:41:10,837
support at all. Um. And I find it a really,

1522
01:41:10,858 --> 01:41:13,717
a really tough one. So I'm appreciating hearing people's comments

1523
01:41:13,757 --> 01:41:21,037
tonight. Thank you. Councillor Gesselbrock. Uh, I'd like to move

1524
01:41:21,058 --> 01:41:25,437
that council deny the application to the liquor cannabis regulation

1525
01:41:25,538 --> 01:41:31,196
branch. Um, well, the motion is that I can't recommend

1526
01:41:31,217 --> 01:41:35,436
that the liquor and license cannabis regulation approve the application

1527
01:41:35,476 --> 01:41:38,796
to amend existing liquor primary license. So I move that

1528
01:41:38,897 --> 01:41:42,796
council recommend that the liquor and cannabis regulation branch deny

1529
01:41:42,796 --> 01:41:46,716
the application to amend an existing liquor primary license to

1530
01:41:47,217 --> 01:41:53,894
foreign entertainment use at 240 Skinner Street. Second. Secretary Councillor

1531
01:41:53,934 --> 01:41:58,294
Brown discussion on this. Yeah. Um, I appreciate the discussion.

1532
01:41:58,294 --> 01:42:00,454
I think, uh, what we need to focus on here

1533
01:42:00,555 --> 01:42:03,494
is that there's a strip club that has been allowed

1534
01:42:03,755 --> 01:42:11,257
because we haven't updated our, uh. Zoning bylaw, um, which

1535
01:42:11,438 --> 01:42:14,297
includes strip clubs to be allowed as part of the

1536
01:42:15,438 --> 01:42:19,283
entertainment district. And it is unfortunately led to a strip

1537
01:42:19,304 --> 01:42:23,605
club be located right beside a children's dance studio. And

1538
01:42:23,645 --> 01:42:27,205
I think we can all appreciate the consternation of the

1539
01:42:27,386 --> 01:42:30,725
many families that utilise this DANSTSDio with their young children

1540
01:42:30,986 --> 01:42:34,165
going through there being co - located by a strip

1541
01:42:34,205 --> 01:42:38,248
club. Uh, there's been a tremendous amount of opposition towards

1542
01:42:38,269 --> 01:42:44,011
this. And I think realising that it is a permitted

1543
01:42:44,032 --> 01:42:48,411
use. There's been a certain level of acceptance that this

1544
01:42:48,451 --> 01:42:50,811
is going to be a strip club operating from seven

1545
01:42:50,832 --> 01:42:56,096
to two o'clock in the morning. Um, around this. Uh,

1546
01:42:56,437 --> 01:43:01,376
however now the request is to allow it to be

1547
01:43:01,376 --> 01:43:04,576
able to serve liquor and operate, um, starting at 11

1548
01:43:04,616 --> 01:43:09,141
o'clock in the morning. And although there may be sports

1549
01:43:09,322 --> 01:43:13,861
entertainment that will be there, uh, this is a strip

1550
01:43:13,901 --> 01:43:17,141
club. And we will be extending the hours where liquor

1551
01:43:17,181 --> 01:43:19,301
is going to be allowed there. And I think that

1552
01:43:19,402 --> 01:43:25,121
it's very unreasonable to do this for multiple reasons. Um,

1553
01:43:26,202 --> 01:43:30,341
you know, some very colourfully outlined by the, uh, delegation

1554
01:43:30,602 --> 01:43:34,741
that spoke. Um, so I think that, um, it is

1555
01:43:35,002 --> 01:43:38,701
responsible to deny this application. Um, and that I do

1556
01:43:38,701 --> 01:43:41,861
think council in the future, um, given that I think

1557
01:43:41,861 --> 01:43:45,861
this is a bit of a social dinosaur. There's only

1558
01:43:45,882 --> 01:43:48,581
two strip clubs left on Vancouver Island. The other in

1559
01:43:48,621 --> 01:43:53,361
Campbell River to look at amending our zoning bylaw. Um,

1560
01:43:53,882 --> 01:43:56,341
so that strip clubs are not allowed in part of

1561
01:43:56,922 --> 01:43:59,861
the entertainment district in the future. So we don't run

1562
01:43:59,962 --> 01:44:03,621
into this ridiculous situation of having a strip club being

1563
01:44:03,722 --> 01:44:06,261
co - located right beside a children's dan studio. Thank

1564
01:44:06,301 --> 01:44:11,523
you. Thank you, Councillor. I'm strong and Councillor Manley. Thank

1565
01:44:11,523 --> 01:44:13,363
you. I won't vote and support. I think the big

1566
01:44:13,384 --> 01:44:16,083
issue that again has said, we can't look at it

1567
01:44:16,123 --> 01:44:18,803
as a strip club because that can change tomorrow. It's

1568
01:44:18,803 --> 01:44:21,283
not a strip club. It's an entertainment. Like we have

1569
01:44:21,323 --> 01:44:23,843
to be really careful with that. And I think because

1570
01:44:24,184 --> 01:44:27,843
this council has approved other ones, whatever. I think we

1571
01:44:28,424 --> 01:44:30,883
wouldn't even last in a court challenge because you can't

1572
01:44:31,064 --> 01:44:33,123
use look at the purpose that it's a strip club.

1573
01:44:33,123 --> 01:44:35,523
This is, can they extend their liquor license? That's all

1574
01:44:35,523 --> 01:44:39,443
it's about. Secondly, strip clubs have been around this community

1575
01:44:39,483 --> 01:44:42,003
for years. Some were gone. They're back. Whatever. I don't

1576
01:44:42,024 --> 01:44:44,643
know what the big issue is because they never see

1577
01:44:45,224 --> 01:44:48,003
the women that are operating in there. We see more

1578
01:44:48,184 --> 01:44:50,483
coming out of some PUBs at night that are with

1579
01:44:50,504 --> 01:44:52,803
drunk people. It doesn't matter whether it be a strip

1580
01:44:52,803 --> 01:44:54,963
club or a regular pub or a restaurant. I've seen

1581
01:44:54,963 --> 01:44:56,803
them come out of that as well. I've seen more

1582
01:44:56,824 --> 01:44:59,603
people pass out on the streets and different acts of

1583
01:44:59,603 --> 01:45:02,003
sexual stuff by some of our homeless people and others

1584
01:45:02,003 --> 01:45:04,243
that are strung out. Then what I'm seeing coming out

1585
01:45:04,243 --> 01:45:06,083
of a strip club, the police have zero issues with

1586
01:45:06,123 --> 01:45:08,723
it. They're quite happy with the performance saying that they've

1587
01:45:08,723 --> 01:45:11,603
got a good neighbourhood agreement, which from their perspective is

1588
01:45:11,643 --> 01:45:14,163
excellence. So when your police are in favor and your

1589
01:45:14,203 --> 01:45:16,483
biology and your staff are, I feel it's incumbent to

1590
01:45:16,523 --> 01:45:20,803
be opposed to this particular motion. I'm in favor of

1591
01:45:20,824 --> 01:45:26,866
extending the license. Thank you, Councillor Manley. I'm in support

1592
01:45:26,887 --> 01:45:30,706
of, um, denying the extended license. I think there's not

1593
01:45:30,887 --> 01:45:34,683
a social license for this. I don't think it's into

1594
01:45:34,704 --> 01:45:38,363
public interest to be having serving liquor in a script

1595
01:45:38,384 --> 01:45:41,883
club, uh, during daytime hours in our downtown. We've been

1596
01:45:41,923 --> 01:45:47,672
working hard on trying to revitalize our downtown space. And

1597
01:45:47,712 --> 01:45:49,912
it's a party zone at night. Let's just keep it

1598
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:55,116
a party zone at night. Thanks. Thank you. Um, and

1599
01:45:55,297 --> 01:46:00,236
just to confirm, uh, Mr. Holm, uh, the staff report

1600
01:46:00,276 --> 01:46:02,956
provides that out of seven common sheets received from the

1601
01:46:02,956 --> 01:46:06,636
notification area. In other words, other businesses essentially within the

1602
01:46:06,657 --> 01:46:12,440
area. Um, five supported the application and two opposed, correct?

1603
01:46:14,046 --> 01:46:17,785
Yes. Your worship. Thank you. That's correct. And the 175

1604
01:46:18,046 --> 01:46:20,905
submissions were received from outside the notification here. And they

1605
01:46:20,905 --> 01:46:28,462
were all opposed to it. I believe that's true. HDS,

1606
01:46:28,462 --> 01:46:30,744
they were opposed. Yes. That's correct. Thank you. Um, and

1607
01:46:31,005 --> 01:46:34,744
they're all included in attachment B to the report. Your

1608
01:46:34,784 --> 01:46:42,038
worship councillor Brown has his honoraged. Councillor Brown. Thanks for

1609
01:46:42,038 --> 01:46:44,498
worship. Very much like the motion on the floor. Um,

1610
01:46:45,339 --> 01:46:48,998
uh, unlike some of the other comments, though I that

1611
01:46:49,038 --> 01:46:50,998
have been made, I would say it's incorrect to say

1612
01:46:51,038 --> 01:46:53,618
that the type of use camp you looked at, uh,

1613
01:46:53,739 --> 01:46:57,558
part of the, that's very clear the provincial policy on

1614
01:46:57,598 --> 01:46:59,718
what councils can look like. I look at and one

1615
01:46:59,758 --> 01:47:03,718
of them is the impact to the community. Arguably the

1616
01:47:03,718 --> 01:47:08,162
extension of liquor hours for an exotic dancing establishment. Is

1617
01:47:08,202 --> 01:47:11,362
a very different type of proposal than an extension of

1618
01:47:12,023 --> 01:47:16,782
liquor license hours for a restaurant or a pub. Um,

1619
01:47:16,823 --> 01:47:20,322
so I do think it's, uh, well, I can appreciate

1620
01:47:20,343 --> 01:47:23,122
the argument. I actually don't think it's valid because we're,

1621
01:47:23,143 --> 01:47:25,362
we're talking about provincial policy here and the things that

1622
01:47:25,543 --> 01:47:27,682
council can consider. One of them being impacted to the

1623
01:47:27,722 --> 01:47:30,802
community. For those reasons, um, and I think, uh, very

1624
01:47:30,802 --> 01:47:34,002
highlighted by Councillor Guestlebrock, I won't repeat, um, I support

1625
01:47:34,042 --> 01:47:36,882
the motion on the floor and, uh, I think at

1626
01:47:36,882 --> 01:47:38,802
some point in the future, it would be very much,

1627
01:47:38,802 --> 01:47:41,202
uh, wise to change the zoning and do these on

1628
01:47:41,463 --> 01:47:45,042
site suspecific use if a proposal comes forward. Thank you.

1629
01:47:45,936 --> 01:47:50,632
Thank you, Councillor Prino. Uh, thank you, your worship. This

1630
01:47:50,672 --> 01:47:54,312
is difficult. I think, um, councillor Armstrong and councillors both

1631
01:47:54,352 --> 01:47:58,198
made some excellent comments in that. This isn't allowed use

1632
01:47:58,299 --> 01:48:00,918
of the building. And, and I have, I have no

1633
01:48:00,918 --> 01:48:04,918
problem with that. That's, uh, it has been allowed. It's

1634
01:48:04,918 --> 01:48:06,438
fine. I don't have a problem, but I do have

1635
01:48:06,478 --> 01:48:09,078
a problem with it going from 7 p. m. to

1636
01:48:09,339 --> 01:48:12,358
11 a. m. And I think it's important to note

1637
01:48:12,398 --> 01:48:14,758
that, uh, some of the people who may have sent

1638
01:48:14,798 --> 01:48:17,558
in comments may have been families of, uh, some of

1639
01:48:17,558 --> 01:48:21,010
the children attending the dance school. I certainly know of

1640
01:48:21,010 --> 01:48:23,570
one who's been in touch with me. And they're very

1641
01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:26,210
concerned about their children attending the school. And they love

1642
01:48:26,391 --> 01:48:29,550
the school. So that's not an issue for them. And

1643
01:48:29,550 --> 01:48:34,370
I think it's important that, you know, from school's perspective,

1644
01:48:34,551 --> 01:48:38,290
they're concerned about this, but also from the actual establishment,

1645
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:41,650
um, that is hosting the strip, they have a right

1646
01:48:41,690 --> 01:48:44,530
as well. So I'm not proposing that I would be

1647
01:48:44,711 --> 01:48:49,828
against, um, necessarily closing them up. You know, or changing

1648
01:48:50,009 --> 01:48:53,268
the zoning necessarily, but I do think that having them

1649
01:48:53,849 --> 01:48:56,628
opened with alcohol at 7 p. m. is certainly early

1650
01:48:56,628 --> 01:48:59,908
enough. And it, um, it, it attracts a different kind

1651
01:48:59,908 --> 01:49:01,748
of clientele in the evening. And I think that that's

1652
01:49:01,849 --> 01:49:04,388
appropriate. So I'll be voting in favor of the motion

1653
01:49:04,569 --> 01:49:11,331
by director Guess I Brother. Thank you very much. I'm

1654
01:49:11,371 --> 01:49:14,291
not suggesting for a moment I'd influenced by the date

1655
01:49:14,291 --> 01:49:16,691
of October 17th for less than four months to an

1656
01:49:16,731 --> 01:49:19,491
election. And you have 175 people who've written in and

1657
01:49:19,531 --> 01:49:23,175
said they are opposed to the extension. And you've had

1658
01:49:23,356 --> 01:49:27,175
coach and arguments from councillors Thorpe and Armstrong about the

1659
01:49:27,276 --> 01:49:31,975
use and it's permitted use. And yes, our bylaws and

1660
01:49:31,975 --> 01:49:37,256
zoning may be somewhat behind. But, uh, candidly, um, please

1661
01:49:37,517 --> 01:49:41,176
note the recommended motion is the council recommend the liquor

1662
01:49:41,197 --> 01:49:45,436
and cannabis regulation branch deny the application. I want to

1663
01:49:45,436 --> 01:49:49,156
emphasize something. This council has approved virtually every cannabis store

1664
01:49:49,156 --> 01:49:52,243
that's come before it. With great respect, the use of

1665
01:49:52,264 --> 01:49:54,883
cannabis, it is becoming apparent to me is far more

1666
01:49:54,904 --> 01:49:58,223
damaging and dangerous to this community than whether or not

1667
01:49:58,223 --> 01:50:01,683
we have another one or more licoricements. And whether or

1668
01:50:01,683 --> 01:50:05,603
not those include adult entertainment. So as much as I

1669
01:50:05,643 --> 01:50:08,643
am sympathetic to the challenges faced, it seems to me

1670
01:50:08,683 --> 01:50:12,003
that the behaviours that are occurring that are disturbing and

1671
01:50:12,104 --> 01:50:15,843
legitimately so to Mr. Butterworth and the dance school are

1672
01:50:15,864 --> 01:50:19,478
things that need to be enforced. And we have good

1673
01:50:19,478 --> 01:50:22,198
neighbour agreements and other things that can work to enforce

1674
01:50:22,198 --> 01:50:24,998
that. So, uh, as much as I appreciate all being

1675
01:50:25,019 --> 01:50:28,198
the minority tonight, uh, I'll be voting with councillors Armstrong

1676
01:50:28,299 --> 01:50:32,758
and thorope on this. The motion is to recommend that

1677
01:50:32,798 --> 01:50:38,998
the reliquarinal cannabis regulation branched deny the application. All those

1678
01:50:39,038 --> 01:50:43,558
in favor of the motion, councillors Eastmare, Kessel Rock Manly

1679
01:50:43,819 --> 01:50:48,438
Brown and preno, and those opposed. Councillor's Armstrong, Paloun Seremons,

1680
01:50:48,438 --> 01:50:51,478
Mayor Crowe, Councillor Thorpe, the Motion carries. Thank you very

1681
01:50:51,518 --> 01:50:56,946
much. Biggest debate tonight. We're on to 13D Rezoning Application

1682
01:50:57,047 --> 01:51:03,186
Number RA523 - 235 Departure Bay Road. Again, I know

1683
01:51:03,186 --> 01:51:07,186
the proponent fairly well, unfortunately, and we'll be declaring a

1684
01:51:07,186 --> 01:51:10,306
conflict accordingly and will remove myself. Over to you, Councillor

1685
01:51:10,327 --> 01:51:10,706
Hemmons.

1686
01:51:23,686 --> 01:51:25,665
Mr. E, do we have a staff introduction on this

1687
01:51:25,665 --> 01:51:32,655
one? Okay. We just go directly to the delegation chair.

1688
01:51:32,748 --> 01:51:35,892
So Mr. Scott Mack. Come on down.

1689
01:51:51,064 --> 01:51:57,839
Where is the clicker for. Thank you. Mr. Makif, five

1690
01:51:57,839 --> 01:52:00,439
minutes. Thank you, Madam Chair and members of council. My

1691
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,559
name is Scott Mack. I'm the managing partner for Towns

1692
01:52:02,559 --> 01:52:05,328
Light Planning. And I'm here this evening on behalf of

1693
01:52:05,368 --> 01:52:08,717
my client regarding item 13D on your agenda. Which is

1694
01:52:08,818 --> 01:52:15,627
a rezoning application RA523. Townside Planning submitted an application to

1695
01:52:15,667 --> 01:52:17,147
the city on the NINIMLO on behalf of our client.

1696
01:52:17,661 --> 01:52:20,920
To rezone the subject property from R1 to a mix

1697
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:26,154
of R5 and R8 medium density residential zoning. The property

1698
01:52:26,175 --> 01:52:30,474
is 1. 14 acres in size and designated for residential

1699
01:52:30,495 --> 01:52:34,134
development in city plan, which supports building forms and the

1700
01:52:34,134 --> 01:52:36,874
densities found in both the R5 and the R8 zones.

1701
01:52:37,789 --> 01:52:40,648
The property is also located two blocks from Brooks Landing

1702
01:52:40,989 --> 01:52:44,968
and Salair Elementary School, providing excellent access to shopping employment

1703
01:52:45,149 --> 01:52:48,217
and education all within close walking distance. And the property

1704
01:52:48,257 --> 01:52:50,900
is located on departure bay road. Which is an urban

1705
01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:53,940
collector roadway and has a major transit route running directly

1706
01:52:53,961 --> 01:52:57,060
past the property with several other routes also available at

1707
01:52:57,321 --> 01:53:02,360
Brooks Landing. I'm going to skip ahead of this slide

1708
01:53:02,461 --> 01:53:03,640
because I'm going to talk about it in the next

1709
01:53:03,661 --> 01:53:08,554
one. Here you can see the proposed forlot layout of

1710
01:53:08,554 --> 01:53:11,994
the property with the proposed R8 facing departure bay road

1711
01:53:12,034 --> 01:53:14,554
to the east, which is proposed to accommodate a small

1712
01:53:14,575 --> 01:53:19,897
multifamily building. Based on the topography of the site. This

1713
01:53:19,897 --> 01:53:22,757
building would be four stories facing departure bay road, but

1714
01:53:22,757 --> 01:53:26,765
only three stories facing the rear lane. Roughly 35 to

1715
01:53:26,946 --> 01:53:29,245
50 percent of the required parking for the R8 site

1716
01:53:29,266 --> 01:53:31,714
is supposed to be located underneath the building. With a

1717
01:53:31,714 --> 01:53:33,874
remaining parking located at the rear of the building and

1718
01:53:33,874 --> 01:53:37,122
access via the lane. The Western portion of the site

1719
01:53:37,162 --> 01:53:40,642
would be zoned to R5 in order to accommodate three

1720
01:53:40,642 --> 01:53:43,922
lots, providing for a density transition as you move away

1721
01:53:43,962 --> 01:53:48,069
from the busier departure bay road towards Lindburg Crescent. The

1722
01:53:48,330 --> 01:53:51,749
proposed R5 zoning would match the existing zoning that already

1723
01:53:51,789 --> 01:53:54,549
exists on the west side of Lindburg Crescent and on

1724
01:53:54,549 --> 01:53:57,933
the development directly to the north. You can also see

1725
01:53:57,954 --> 01:54:00,413
on the site plan the proposed extension of the lane

1726
01:54:00,453 --> 01:54:03,613
from Sandringham Avenue, running north - south through the site,

1727
01:54:03,613 --> 01:54:05,962
which will provide access for all of the lots. The

1728
01:54:06,002 --> 01:54:09,002
lane will eliminate an existing dangerous driveway access onto departure

1729
01:54:09,042 --> 01:54:12,522
bay road and also significantly reduces the impact from new

1730
01:54:12,562 --> 01:54:15,802
development on the existing local roads. We have also proposed

1731
01:54:15,903 --> 01:54:19,082
a pedestrian connection running east - west along the southern

1732
01:54:19,122 --> 01:54:21,082
boundary of the site between departure - bee road in

1733
01:54:21,082 --> 01:54:24,310
Lindburg Crescent. And of course, there will be front improvements

1734
01:54:24,350 --> 01:54:26,710
on both Departure Ba Road and Lin Burn at the

1735
01:54:26,710 --> 01:54:31,531
time of Development. In terms of community engagement, we did

1736
01:54:31,571 --> 01:54:34,491
hold a neighbourhood open house last spring and a total

1737
01:54:34,491 --> 01:54:38,615
of 16 residents attended the meeting. What we did here,

1738
01:54:38,615 --> 01:54:40,855
some of the typical concerns that you might expect to

1739
01:54:40,895 --> 01:54:44,055
hear at this type of meeting regarding development in general.

1740
01:54:44,055 --> 01:54:46,535
There were also several attendees who expressed support for and

1741
01:54:46,575 --> 01:54:50,768
interest in the project. Regarding amenities, we acknowledged that the

1742
01:54:50,808 --> 01:54:54,048
city recently adopted a new amenity cost charged bylaw that

1743
01:54:54,069 --> 01:54:57,224
will come into effect in January of 2029. We had

1744
01:54:57,264 --> 01:55:01,944
originally proposed a CAC of approximately 125, 000 dollars based

1745
01:55:01,944 --> 01:55:04,824
on the cities now rescinded policy, but have since updated

1746
01:55:04,845 --> 01:55:07,144
the proposal to match the rates in the new ACC

1747
01:55:07,245 --> 01:55:10,184
bylaw, which we anticipate will result in the contribution of

1748
01:55:10,285 --> 01:55:13,894
approximately 131, 000 dollars. These funds would be directed towards

1749
01:55:13,915 --> 01:55:16,774
the city's affordable housing reserve fund and the parks reserve

1750
01:55:16,814 --> 01:55:22,407
fund. Finally, we of course watched with great interest as

1751
01:55:22,508 --> 01:55:25,827
council deliberated the rezoning application further down the hill, uh,

1752
01:55:25,948 --> 01:55:30,030
in recent weeks at 2565 departure road. We noted that

1753
01:55:30,051 --> 01:55:34,890
council expressed some concern with the proponent's application. In terms

1754
01:55:34,890 --> 01:55:38,570
of this idea of potentially showing something at rezoning stage

1755
01:55:38,591 --> 01:55:41,290
and then coming in later and looking for more or

1756
01:55:41,330 --> 01:55:43,370
additional density than what was shown at the time of

1757
01:55:43,370 --> 01:55:46,471
rezoning. And we saw obviously what was done in order

1758
01:55:46,511 --> 01:55:50,311
to address that concern with that application in discussions with

1759
01:55:50,351 --> 01:55:54,231
staff. We've essentially proposed a very similar restriction with our

1760
01:55:54,252 --> 01:55:59,431
application where the maximum density would be capped at 1.

1761
01:55:59,452 --> 01:56:03,031
0 FAR, which reflects the density that is shown in

1762
01:56:03,052 --> 01:56:06,391
our proposal and is significantly less than the 1. 85

1763
01:56:06,412 --> 01:56:10,791
FAR, which might otherwise be permitted without any restriction based

1764
01:56:10,791 --> 01:56:16,940
on the R8 zoning. In closing, just wanted to emphasize

1765
01:56:16,980 --> 01:56:20,300
a couple of key points, uh, one, our application aligns

1766
01:56:20,561 --> 01:56:23,820
with the density and policy objectives of city plan, especially

1767
01:56:24,001 --> 01:56:26,380
now even more so with the additional commitment to the

1768
01:56:26,481 --> 01:56:30,980
maximum FAAR. The site is centrally located on a major

1769
01:56:31,001 --> 01:56:34,480
roadway with excellent access to multiple transit routes, shopping, and

1770
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:38,615
employment, all within easy walking distance. It provides new amenities,

1771
01:56:38,615 --> 01:56:40,695
both in the form of new pedestrian connection between de

1772
01:56:40,695 --> 01:56:43,815
BARCHAY Road and Lindburg Crescent. And through frontage improvements at

1773
01:56:43,815 --> 01:56:45,655
the time of development, as well as through a significant

1774
01:56:45,836 --> 01:56:50,067
cash amenity contribution. And ultimately our proposal generated very little

1775
01:56:50,088 --> 01:56:53,439
concern or feedback through the public consultation process. As a

1776
01:56:53,439 --> 01:56:56,219
result, we respectfully request the council grant first, second, and

1777
01:56:56,219 --> 01:56:58,269
third reading this evening. If you have any questions, I

1778
01:56:58,269 --> 01:57:02,222
would be happy to address them. Thank you, Mr. Mack.

1779
01:57:02,222 --> 01:57:05,930
A couple of questions for you. Councillor Armstrong. Thank you.

1780
01:57:06,191 --> 01:57:08,730
Um, I don't know, I couldn't see it. Where is

1781
01:57:08,770 --> 01:57:09,930
AXE is going to be? Is it going to be

1782
01:57:09,970 --> 01:57:11,610
off Lindburn or is it going to be off a

1783
01:57:11,610 --> 01:57:16,450
departure bay. Through the chair to Councillor Armstrong, the access

1784
01:57:16,490 --> 01:57:19,010
would actually, at this point in time, would come off

1785
01:57:19,050 --> 01:57:22,591
of Sandringham Avenue. Uh, because all of the development, the

1786
01:57:22,591 --> 01:57:25,071
three R5 lots, as well as the R8 lot, uh,

1787
01:57:25,592 --> 01:57:28,051
would all be provided to access from the lane that's

1788
01:57:28,051 --> 01:57:30,251
going to run through the centre of the site. So

1789
01:57:30,251 --> 01:57:33,811
that development there, like to the north of it, that's

1790
01:57:33,811 --> 01:57:36,371
owned by the same developer. So he has access to

1791
01:57:36,371 --> 01:57:39,251
those roads? It's a public lane that exists through that

1792
01:57:39,352 --> 01:57:42,524
site now. That that abut set my client's property. So

1793
01:57:42,524 --> 01:57:45,124
we would be extending that public lane, uh, through my

1794
01:57:45,164 --> 01:57:47,764
client's property. And then ultimately, if the property to the

1795
01:57:47,865 --> 01:57:51,364
South wherever developed that public lane could be further extended,

1796
01:57:51,364 --> 01:57:56,990
uh, as you move to the South. Thank you. Thank

1797
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:59,790
you. There's no further questions from counsel. I appreciate your

1798
01:57:59,830 --> 01:58:04,371
presence. Thank you very much. Question for staff. Councillor Manley.

1799
01:58:04,371 --> 01:58:06,691
Go ahead. Uh, yeah, just a question for you to

1800
01:58:06,712 --> 01:58:10,851
staff. So the, the, um, 1. 0 FAR is that.

1801
01:58:12,137 --> 01:58:16,676
I didn't see that as a covenanted thing. Is that

1802
01:58:17,337 --> 01:58:20,276
I was that guaranteed in the, um, in the proposal.

1803
01:58:23,353 --> 01:58:26,834
Thank you for the question. Through the chair to Councillor

1804
01:58:26,874 --> 01:58:30,814
Manley. Yeah. That would be site specific for the, um,

1805
01:58:31,175 --> 01:58:36,659
uh, the property. Okay. Through the zoning. Okay. I didn't

1806
01:58:36,699 --> 01:58:38,619
see that. I didn't see it in the report. It

1807
01:58:38,619 --> 01:58:44,457
was, um, on the conditions of rezoning. It, yeah, through,

1808
01:58:44,457 --> 01:58:46,457
uh, through, uh, chair to Councillor Manley. So it would

1809
01:58:46,457 --> 01:58:50,777
be in the bylaw noted as cite specific maximum floraya

1810
01:58:50,777 --> 01:58:58,225
ratio. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. Thank you.

1811
01:58:58,566 --> 01:59:01,345
Um, I don't see anybody here from engineering. I'm just

1812
01:59:01,345 --> 01:59:05,025
wondering about, we have so many concerns already about departure

1813
01:59:05,046 --> 01:59:06,945
bay road. We've added more in at the other end

1814
01:59:07,126 --> 01:59:09,139
where we've added more. I just wanted to know what

1815
01:59:09,179 --> 01:59:14,179
the impact would be. Especially because the light on Sandringham.

1816
01:59:14,179 --> 01:59:15,859
Yeah, I'm just really struggling with this. I think it's

1817
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:20,019
too many units for the size of the lot. Thank

1818
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:29,650
you. Councillor Thorpe. Thank you very much, Chair. Yes. I

1819
01:59:29,831 --> 01:59:32,610
will likely support this, but I am struggling with it

1820
01:59:32,951 --> 01:59:36,306
somewhat. I feel the reality is that the dominoes have

1821
01:59:36,346 --> 01:59:40,305
started to fall in the, uh, departure bay neighbourhood. I

1822
01:59:40,326 --> 01:59:43,345
did not support the application a couple of weeks back

1823
01:59:43,446 --> 01:59:45,665
that we discussed. I thought the density was too great.

1824
01:59:46,610 --> 01:59:49,629
And quite frankly, I sometimes wonder why we bother have

1825
01:59:49,730 --> 01:59:56,349
zoning, uh, barraged with efforts or attempts to rezone from

1826
01:59:57,410 --> 02:00:01,038
R1 to R8 or something similar. Uh, so I'm still

1827
02:00:01,059 --> 02:00:05,198
giving this thought. Um, I concede that I have heard

1828
02:00:05,238 --> 02:00:08,878
very little community pushback on this one as opposed to

1829
02:00:08,918 --> 02:00:12,629
the earlier development. Which is good. Uh, I do have

1830
02:00:12,650 --> 02:00:16,957
a question about the, uh, amenity contribution. Uh, through you,

1831
02:00:16,957 --> 02:00:17,037
Chair.

1832
02:00:27,346 --> 02:00:30,229
And my question is. Are my preference would be that

1833
02:00:30,890 --> 02:00:35,669
100 percent of the amenity contribution be directed towards park

1834
02:00:35,770 --> 02:00:40,148
or trail improvements in that immediate neighbourhood. We have the,

1835
02:00:40,148 --> 02:00:42,788
uh, the small park where kinhut is located. We have

1836
02:00:42,788 --> 02:00:46,708
the departure bay sports fields, which are reasonably heavily used.

1837
02:00:46,708 --> 02:00:49,268
I'm sure there's lots of improvements that could be made

1838
02:00:49,289 --> 02:00:52,708
in those areas. So that's a comment for what it's

1839
02:00:52,708 --> 02:00:56,388
worth. And I don't know how this, uh, the suggested

1840
02:00:57,129 --> 02:01:03,681
allocation of the funds was determined. Thank you, Chair. Council,

1841
02:01:03,681 --> 02:01:06,001
I see no further questions or comments. I will indicate

1842
02:01:06,022 --> 02:01:08,721
that I am in support of this proposal one of

1843
02:01:08,761 --> 02:01:14,321
the resident wrote to us, uh, asking that we rejected.

1844
02:01:14,321 --> 02:01:16,561
And part of the rationale was that the primary school

1845
02:01:16,822 --> 02:01:18,721
in a shopping centre just up the street from the

1846
02:01:18,742 --> 02:01:20,881
property in question. And that in and of itself is

1847
02:01:20,921 --> 02:01:24,401
my rationale for density in that area. Um, 40 extra

1848
02:01:24,422 --> 02:01:27,281
cars. That's exactly where we want the cars. We want

1849
02:01:27,321 --> 02:01:28,801
people to be able to go to school and go

1850
02:01:28,801 --> 02:01:30,561
to the grocery store without having to get in those

1851
02:01:30,582 --> 02:01:34,161
cars. So, um, I'm the chair. And this is a

1852
02:01:34,262 --> 02:01:39,601
bylaw. I can't read it. Kelgo to counsel Manley first.

1853
02:01:39,601 --> 02:01:42,801
And then if I was just going to express support

1854
02:01:42,822 --> 02:01:45,841
for this as well in city plan, this is identified

1855
02:01:45,942 --> 02:01:50,401
as, as corridor, um, for increased density. It's close to

1856
02:01:50,502 --> 02:01:56,061
amenities schools, shopping centres. Um, and this is, you know,

1857
02:01:56,182 --> 02:01:58,779
it's on a transit route. Um, this is where it

1858
02:01:58,779 --> 02:02:03,819
makes sense to density. And it's not, um, designated as

1859
02:02:03,859 --> 02:02:07,259
a suburban neighbourhood in our city plan. So I'm, I'm

1860
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:11,006
in support of it. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Chair,

1861
02:02:11,427 --> 02:02:13,566
just of note, when you're ready, um, I think Council

1862
02:02:13,606 --> 02:02:16,526
Brown has his hand up, but, um, Councillor Easmir is

1863
02:02:16,566 --> 02:02:18,846
the next acting chair. So she can read the bylaw

1864
02:02:18,886 --> 02:02:21,246
when it comes out. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Over

1865
02:02:21,286 --> 02:02:25,660
to you, Council Brown. I just want to say supportive.

1866
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:27,420
I also want to say chair that nothing stopping you

1867
02:02:27,420 --> 02:02:31,219
from reading the bylaw as well. Thank you. Thank you.

1868
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:38,650
I prefer councillor easmir. I'll move that zoning amendment by

1869
02:02:38,650 --> 02:02:44,250
law 2026 number 4, 500. 253 to rezone 2335 departure

1870
02:02:44,290 --> 02:02:48,730
bay road from single dwelling residential R123 and four unit

1871
02:02:48,730 --> 02:02:52,970
residential R5 and medium density residential R8 with a site

1872
02:02:53,151 --> 02:02:56,730
- specific maximum floor area ratio of 1. 0 for

1873
02:02:56,770 --> 02:02:59,770
the R8 portion of the property passed first reading. Thank

1874
02:02:59,770 --> 02:03:04,051
you, Secretary by Councillor Armstrong. All those in favor. Any

1875
02:03:04,072 --> 02:03:08,203
opposed. I see none opposed. I move that zoning amendment

1876
02:03:08,224 --> 02:03:12,443
bylaw 2026 number 4, 500. 253 past second reading. Thank

1877
02:03:12,443 --> 02:03:18,603
you seconded by Councillor Armstrong. I'm sorry, sir, you're not.

1878
02:03:18,603 --> 02:03:21,243
If you haven't signed up for a delegation, what you

1879
02:03:21,243 --> 02:03:23,003
can do is put your name on the list for

1880
02:03:23,104 --> 02:03:29,199
questions that the end. Um, I'm sorry, sir. We're going

1881
02:03:29,380 --> 02:03:31,919
into second and third reading here. There is a question

1882
02:03:32,180 --> 02:03:34,319
and answer or question sheet you can sign up for.

1883
02:03:42,245 --> 02:03:45,984
Okay. Um, sorry, sir. I'm going to ask you to

1884
02:03:45,984 --> 02:03:48,144
stop. This is a place of business and we don't

1885
02:03:48,165 --> 02:03:52,464
take audience comment like that. So we are on second

1886
02:03:52,464 --> 02:03:55,344
reading. It's been seconded by Councillor Armstrong. All those in

1887
02:03:55,384 --> 02:04:00,466
favor. Sorry. Any opposed. I see none opposed. I move

1888
02:04:00,466 --> 02:04:04,786
that zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500 point 253

1889
02:04:04,967 --> 02:04:08,796
past three reading. Second and by Councillor Thorpe, all those

1890
02:04:08,796 --> 02:04:13,356
in favor. Any opposed. I see none of post. And

1891
02:04:13,396 --> 02:04:15,756
I moved at council direct staff to secure the conditions

1892
02:04:15,796 --> 02:04:20,156
related to zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500. 253

1893
02:04:20,497 --> 02:04:22,716
as outlined in the conditions of rezoning section of the

1894
02:04:22,897 --> 02:04:28,236
staff report titled Rezoning Application number, our A523 2335 departure

1895
02:04:28,276 --> 02:04:34,026
bay road dated. June 22nd, 2026 prior to final adoption.

1896
02:04:34,026 --> 02:04:38,459
Seconded by Councillor Armstrong, all those in favor. Any opposed?

1897
02:04:38,459 --> 02:04:39,499
I seen unopposed. Thank you.

1898
02:05:04,737 --> 02:05:08,716
And the next is E rezoning application of our RA536

1899
02:05:08,737 --> 02:05:17,532
- 2180HL in Boulevard. There is a recommended motion. Councillor

1900
02:05:17,572 --> 02:05:20,492
Hemins. Your worship I moved at zoning amendment by law

1901
02:05:20,532 --> 02:05:26,652
2026. Number 4500. 255 to rezone 2180 Highland Boulevard to

1902
02:05:26,692 --> 02:05:29,532
allow cannabis retail store as a site - specific use

1903
02:05:29,953 --> 02:05:33,612
in the existing neighbourhood centre, CC2 zone, PASS First Reading.

1904
02:05:35,842 --> 02:05:43,200
Seconded Councillor Armstrong, all those in favor. And opposed. Mo.

1905
02:05:43,932 --> 02:05:48,246
I move at the barn. Uh, past second reading. Second

1906
02:05:48,246 --> 02:05:54,121
- did Councillor Armstrong. All those in favor. Sorry. Yeah.

1907
02:05:54,302 --> 02:05:59,649
Councillor Smith, please. Thank you. I think the difference between

1908
02:06:00,710 --> 02:06:03,409
a rezoning for cannabis retail store is that the consumption

1909
02:06:03,590 --> 02:06:08,521
on site, unlike somewhere that has a liquor license. Um,

1910
02:06:08,561 --> 02:06:10,761
so to me, it does not have the same type

1911
02:06:10,801 --> 02:06:15,221
of potential negative impacts on the immediate surrounding neighbourhood. Um,

1912
02:06:15,502 --> 02:06:19,174
so I will be voting in support of this. Thank

1913
02:06:19,174 --> 02:06:21,574
you for what it's worth in response. There's one down

1914
02:06:21,614 --> 02:06:25,186
the hill. At the new development. And the one further

1915
02:06:25,207 --> 02:06:28,792
along the highway. It's enough for me. All those in

1916
02:06:28,813 --> 02:06:36,849
favor. Everybody accept me. I'm opposed. Thank you. Councillor Hennons.

1917
02:06:40,626 --> 02:06:42,925
Uh, I move that council direct staff to hold a

1918
02:06:42,925 --> 02:06:46,045
public hearing for zoning amendment by law 2026. Number four

1919
02:06:46,146 --> 02:06:51,717
five zero zero point two five. Secret councillor Thorpe. All

1920
02:06:51,717 --> 02:06:54,377
those in favor of a public hearing. That's all of

1921
02:06:54,377 --> 02:06:59,764
us. Un opposed. Councillor Hemons. Thank you. And finally, I

1922
02:06:59,764 --> 02:07:02,484
moved that council direct staff to secure the conditions related

1923
02:07:02,524 --> 02:07:05,604
to zoning amendment by law 2026. Number four five zero

1924
02:07:05,705 --> 02:07:08,564
zero point two five as outlined in the conditions of

1925
02:07:08,604 --> 02:07:11,524
rezoning section of the staff report titled rezoning application number

1926
02:07:11,945 --> 02:07:18,084
RA536 - 2180 Highland Boulevard dated 2026, June 22nd prior

1927
02:07:18,084 --> 02:07:22,724
to final adoption. Seconded councillor. Armstrong, all those in favor

1928
02:07:23,305 --> 02:07:27,745
and any opposed, none motion carries. We have no bylaws,

1929
02:07:27,745 --> 02:07:31,585
no correspondence, no no other business question period for agenda

1930
02:07:31,625 --> 02:07:38,280
items only. Ms. Curry, please. Thank you very much. Mr.

1931
02:07:38,541 --> 02:07:48,480
Anasley 12C. That's traffic demand management reserve

1932
02:07:48,581 --> 02:07:52,320
fund bylaw? Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry if, uh, was said

1933
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:56,480
during the presentation, but, uh, where is the, um, money

1934
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,640
that is going to be put in this fun come

1935
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:01,580
from is it, um, a new tax. Is it, uh,

1936
02:08:01,941 --> 02:08:04,939
general revenue? Is it from DCC's. How are you going

1937
02:08:04,939 --> 02:08:08,803
to fund this new, um, reserve. Thank you very much.

1938
02:08:10,299 --> 02:08:16,583
Mr. Home. Uh, yes. Thank you, your worship through to

1939
02:08:17,484 --> 02:08:21,690
the question. On this. So the, um, the fund will

1940
02:08:21,690 --> 02:08:26,650
be provided. Funds will be provided by developers who are

1941
02:08:26,671 --> 02:08:34,250
either required or choose to provide monetary contribution to this

1942
02:08:34,271 --> 02:08:42,838
traffic demand management. Reserve fund through development. So offset parking,

1943
02:08:42,838 --> 02:08:46,259
you can pay into the, um, uh, this fund. And

1944
02:08:46,280 --> 02:08:50,219
so it won't be funded by tax dollars. It'll be

1945
02:08:50,219 --> 02:08:54,725
through development. Okay. But not separate from DCCs and ACC.

1946
02:08:54,725 --> 02:08:58,485
It's sort of its own. It is separate from ACC's

1947
02:08:58,485 --> 02:09:00,645
and DCCs. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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02:09:04,108 --> 02:09:09,200
No further items. Move Adjourn. Councillor Eastmare. Secretary Councillor Hemens.

1949
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,000
All those in favor. Any opposed on motion carries. Thank

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02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,240
you staff everyone tonight. Thank you for attending.