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Good evening everyone, welcome to the July 27th Special Meeting

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of Council. I'd like to first recognise we are gathered

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on the traditional territory, the CNEMIC First Nation. Our clip

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today is Mishila Gurrie. We have all of Council and

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Attendants. Tonight's Special Meeting of Council is being held in

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accordance with the Community Charter and Council Procedure bylaw 208

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- 208. Pardon me, number 7272. If during the meeting

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any member of the gallery has a question regarding an

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agenda item, please write down your name and the agenda

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item on the question period sign - up sheet, which

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is on the table to the double doors to my

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left. Please note that the Council Procedure bylaw states questions

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will only be taken on staff reports consent items or

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other business items. Recognising that most of you in attendance

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night have been a previous Council meetings. I'm not going

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to go through the long statement about public decorum and

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no clapping, jeering, or cheering or other demonstrations of emotion

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from the audience, please. And I trust everyone will be

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respectful of those basic considerations. First item on the agenda

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is the introduction of late items, Ms. Gurry. Please, we

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have some. Yes, thank you, worship, and good evening, council.

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For late items tonight, we have agenda item 8A Mayor's

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leaders table. We are replacing the NIMO Accord document with

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the revised version. For agenda item 12C emissions intensive heavy

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industry uses. We're adding the following delegations. Number one, Paul

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Chapman. Number two, Erica Frank. Number three, Andrew, and Alex

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Hudson Degen, Cheryl Bancroft. Number five, Bethany Ricker, and number

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six, Carrie Park. For agenda item 3, 13b rezoning application

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for 2, 2080 and 2160 East Wellington Road. We're adding

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a presentation from Mark Holland, West Plan Consulting Group. Carl

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Taes, Highland Properties, and Glen Froze Highland Properties. For agenda

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item 13C, Development Permit Application for DP1397 - 3679 Shenton

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Road. We're adding a delegation from Jackson Bo Hammend Roe

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Architects. For agenda item 13D, we are adding a delegation

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from David Din. And agenda item 17B Councillor Eastmere Motion

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regarding the last Lost Intersections Public Art installation. We're adding

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a delegation from Amelia Jelensoo, and that state - your

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worship. Thank you very much. Motion for DOPS of the

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agenda is amended. Move Councillor Thorpe, Secretary Council Perino, all

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those in favor, any opposed, none. Motion for adoption. The

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minutes is circulated. Move Councillor Eastmere, Secretary Councillor Hemmons, all

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those in favor. You oppose none. Mayor's report, I only

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have two items tonight. The first is very good news.

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It's to confirm that the Municipal Boundary Extension has received

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provincial approval, which means that tsunamic First Nation Reserve lands

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are now included for voting purposes within the municipal boundary.

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It arose out of a joint request from CENEMIC First

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Nation and the City of the Nile to expand in

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album's municipal boundary to include tsunamic reserve lands. Because otherwise

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they had the right to vote, of course, in all

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elections, including for school board, but had to vote for

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regional director. And in particular, this was a bit silly

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when you consider that IR number one, for instance, is

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completely surrounded by the jurisdiction of the city of Nanaimo.

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It is a positive move for this city and a

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positive move on the Road to Reconciliation and Recognises a

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long - stranding irritant is the kindest term I can

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use between the larger community and the snamic First Nation.

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That is a very good news story. However, it is

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with great sadness, as I've, knowing him for. 55 years

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that Nanamo City Councillor, formerly Bill Holden has passed. I

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first met him as a student at what was then

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Malespina College. His wife, Willie, and I contested a nomination

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for a certain political party some years ago. She became

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my constituency assistant. And I can say that on behalf

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of Nanaimo City Council and the residents of our community,

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we extend to Bill's family are sincerest condolences. Many people

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had the privilege of knowing and working with them. He

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had very long roots in this community. He was one

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of that almost the first year, but not quite. The

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first faculty of Melespina College. He was a professor of

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English and First Nation Studies at Malspina College University, now

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VIU from 1970 to 2001. He was an IMO school

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trustee from 1976 to 1980. And again from 1982 to

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86, and during that time he served as chair for

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five years. He was an Nimble City Councillor and regional

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board director from 1986 to 96, and again from 1999

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to 2011. Only our much beloved Lloyd Sherry probably exceeded

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the length of service to this community. He was in

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addition in Nanaima Co - op board member from 1998

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to 99, and he was the Vancouver Regional Library Chair,

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a position that Councillor Hemmons has held from 2008 to

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2010. He devoted years of his life to public service

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and helping shape the future of this community. He brought

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dedication in a genuine commitment to that community. He brought

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those qualities to his role and his contributions helped advance

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important conversations and decisions that continue to influence our city

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today. Those who serve uncounsel, we all hope, and I

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think I can say this of the current council, because

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they care deeply about the place they call home. Bill

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Holden was no exception. He believed in animal, and he

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worked to make our community stronger and better prepared for

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the future. Public surface often demands long hours, difficult decisions.

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Incredible personal sacrifice. Particularly in terms of your relationship with

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your family. And Bill meant those responsibilities with the sincere

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desire to serve the public interest. And he did it

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with a smile on his face. He never bore anchor.

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He was not one of those people who easily criticized

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anyone around him or criticized those who took a country

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position. The loss of former Councillor hold him his felt

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not only by those who knew him, and a personal

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way, but by the broader community served. As we reflect

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in his life and legacy, we recognise the lasting value

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of his contribution and the role he played in an

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almost civic life. You would be hard - pressed, as

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I've mentioned by way of service, to find someone who

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served as long on both the school board and on

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council. And it is, of course, a mark of our

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respect. And thanks to him that the Nible City flag

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at City Hall has been lowered into half - mast

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in honour of his passing. This gesture reflects our community's

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gratitude for his years of service and acknowledges the impact

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he had in an eye when its residents. I might

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say that when I think of Bill Holden, he reminds

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me of what the late Hubert Horatio Humphrey said of

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himself and his life in politics. He was a happy

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warrior. Bill was our happy warrior. On behalf of the

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residents, the city of Nanaimo, again, and all members of

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our council past and present, I offer our heartfelt sympathies

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and thanks for Bill Hold'em's years of dedication to all

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of us and to the city he so loved. We

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have nothing to rise and report on, Ms. Gurrie. The

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mayor's leaders table, the non - war chord, delighted to

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welcome Donna Hayes, who's a member of the Mayor's Leaders

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Table in Colin Stansfield, the chief executive officer of the

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Nanaima Prosperity Corporation. Is with us tonight is Colin. Not

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yet, not seen, all right. Ms. Hayes. Welcome, you're no

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stranger to this podium, and to service the community. Thank

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you for all you do. Your worship and Council, thank

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you very much for entertaining our conversation today. Colin sends

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his regrets. He is on vacation with his family. On

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the beautiful sunshine coast. So it was about a year

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ago today that I came before this council on behalf

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of the mayor's leaders team and asked for your support

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in working on a strategic planning session with various organisations,

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institutions, and community leaders within our community. And I am

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very proud today to come and give you an update

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of what has happened during the course of the last

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12 months. Hopefully all of you had an opportunity to

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read through the documents that we previously submitted, and I

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want to start the presentation with the opening line of

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our preamble, and it's that Nanaimo stands at a moment

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of consequence and possibility. And I have to say that

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everyone that came to the table to have these conversations

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about what the future of the Naimo and what is

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impact to Vancouver Island could be. None of us came

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to the table thinking that there was possibility and consequence.

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We came to the table knowing that there was. And

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we came with the intent of putting it on paper

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to come together to share tonight and with our various

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organisations about what we think we can bring to the

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future growth and prosperity of NaNimo and Central Vancouver Island

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as a region. Quickly, I want to share with you

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who was at the table. The city of Nanaimo, The

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Mayor Representative, the city of the Nanaimo along with many

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of your staff members. SFN and Petroglyph Developments was at

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the table. The port authority, the airport, Vancouver Island University,

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the school district, the Chamber of Commerce, the Nanaimo Foundation,

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the Nanamo District Hospital Foundation, and Ireland Health all came

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together in five sessions to talk about what the future

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of our community means to the people who live, work,

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and play here. So what we came away with wasn't

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what we thought we were going to come away with

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at the first meeting. We've come away with a document

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that we're introducing you tonight as the Nanaimo Accord. It's

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a shared commitment to move with purpose, coordinated action, and

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build lasting prosperity across Nanaimo, and I would say the

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region, because as I share what's in the document and

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how we intend to move forward with the document you're

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going to see, it's not just the people in Animal

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we're talking about. It is definitely the people on Vancouver

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Island and the impact that we will have to those

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not only here, but in British Columbia and in Canada

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as we move forward. So why did this process matter?

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And why does it need to happen now? And it's

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because we strongly feel that we are entering a decade,

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we're isolated effort will no longer be enough. We're acting

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independently on independent projects will not get us the results

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that we need. We need to act with one voice

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as one community. We are no longer speaking as individuals

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or individual organisations. We are truly speaking as a community

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moving forward. Growth is accelerating the demand for housing. Every

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one of you here knows these pieces. Healthcare, major infrastructure,

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we're all searching globally for talent and services to relocate

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here and to provide those services to our community. Major

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public and indigenous led investments are moving at the same

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time. Senior governments and investors need to see one coherent

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Nanaimo story. The opportunity is real, and so is the

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need for alignment between our organisations. So where the Accord

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came from, the concept was bred at the mayor's leaders

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table where we identified the need for a shared civic

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vision and framework for moving forward. We came to you,

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we shared that with your blessing. We went forward to

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the Community Partners that I mentioned, and we had our

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five meetings over the course of this last year with

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the last one happening this past Thursday. At those meetings,

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each of the partners was asked to share their visions,

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their strategic plans, and the impact that they thought they

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could bring to the community. And what change could happen

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if they were actually to partner on some of those

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opportunities. And I can tell you that from that table,

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major conversations are already happening before we ratify the Accord.

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Things like Workforce Housing in the health care sector to

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enlarge our next project, whether it's our cardiovascular intervention centre

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at the hospital or our tower, which will mean We're

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already working on a joint project at that table on

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what daycare and what workforce housing would look like just

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by actually having meetings and talking about what our shared

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visions could be. We put forward a portfolio where we

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institutions put together their high impact projects, and we created

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a document. And then we've put together the Nanaimo Accord.

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The process was designed to coordinate without control partners to

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remain owners of their own plans while aligning around shared

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purposes. So here's what the Accord is, and I want

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it to be clear you were given two documents in

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your package. You were given a short documents about five

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pages long. It has a preamble. And then you were

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given an accord. And then you were given a second

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document which speaks to transformational projects where partnerships can be

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realised. The transformational projects page will grow and change. It's

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a living document. So it is not a stagnant piece.

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It will continue to be developing and growing with the

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partners at the table and new partners who see the

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vision for what Nanaimo can be who want to invest

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here, what they can bring to the table. So what

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the Accord is, is a statement of our shared values

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and ambitions. It's a compass for aligned action and investment.

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And it's an invitation to work together under a common

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banner. But here's what it is not. It's not a

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bylaw, a formal policy or a legal agreement. It is

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not a replacement for the city plan or partner strategies.

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It is not a financial commitment or new bureaucracy. This

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is not new red tape. This is not new government

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restrictions. This is about moving forward, not moving backwards. And

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endorsement signals alignment. It does not create legal or financial

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obligations in any ways to any of the people signing

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the Accord. So when you look through the Accord, you

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read our preamble. I read our first statement from that.

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What the CORD specifically does is it defines our guiding

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principles. And our values. Who are we? And we've defined

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them as a group. It also talks about what our

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collective ambitions are and what our success looks like. So

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in essence, it says who we are, how we're going

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to act together, and what is the definition of success.

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And then the portfolio is the transformational projects I talked

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about. And it's an invitation for others to join us.

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It's an invitation for those that are already in community

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to invest in strategic projects and guidelines. And it's an

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invitation for those who aren't here to come here and

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join us and be part of the prosperity. We believe

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that we're bringing to Vancouver Island. So in essence, it's

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one document with two jobs. It holds the shared civic

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community study and translates that commitment into visible, coordinated actions

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without comes. The core promise. We align policy capital infrastructure

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and talent so that success is one area unlocked success

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in other areas. So I have recently seen this in

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Ottawa. This is how tangible this piece and how important

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this piece is. I had the opportunity to have an

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invitation to the Minister of Infrastructure's Office to meet with

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staff. And I did that. I did that wearing two

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hats. I did that with the port authority to share

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the nation building project that the port is working on.

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And I've shared that nation building project at this table.

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I also went as the chair of the fair care

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alliance to discuss what fair and equitable access to health

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care looks like for those of us that live on

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Vancouver Island. And what a cardiovascular centre could look like.

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And I could see the eyes in the room glaze

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over and see people say, well, you're here asking for

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one project. So I started talking about, well, no, we're

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talking about workforce housing and health care. We're talking about

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veteran and senior's housing. We're talking about daycare to attract

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workers. We're talking about reimplementation of rail on Vancouver Island.

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And I started seeing that spark in the staff's eyes.

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So I left that meeting. And if you've been to

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Ottawa, you know, you go to your next meeting and

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your next meeting. And about three meetings in, we get

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a call that says, I know you're flying out today

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at 550. And there's a major ice storm in Ottawa.

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It's going to be a bit of a trial to

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get to the airport. The minister would like you to

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stay till question period, which I happened to know ends

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at 3. 30. He's not going to make it till

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4. My flight's at 550. He needs to talk to

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you about what's happening in Nanaimo. The federal government is

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very interested in communities that can show a stacked infrastructure

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plan, how you are leveraging what you are building to

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provide prosperity and opportunities in other areas. That got myself

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and my port CEO who's here with me this evening.

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That got us directly into a meeting with the Minister

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to talk about what's happening in Nanaimo and very much

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an excited minister saying these are the kind of projects

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we can support. I did not have the accord. We

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need to have this document so we can be sharing

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it with those levels of government about how we are

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aligning on our values, our principles, our ambitions. Because in

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essence, we are aligning our culture, our conduct and tying

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them into outcomes. So this is just a brief example

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of what you'll find in the transformational project documents that

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is attached. We have highlighted to start with three major

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projects from three organisations. Now here's the reason why. These

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projects actually all overlap each other in a lot of

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ways. Taytuxon was a project introduced by SFN. I know

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everybody at this table is familiar with what's happening there

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and what a visionary project that is. How exciting that

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is for our community. It involves housing. It involves recreation.

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It involves economic growth and development. If I have to

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explain about the NRGH expansion, I have not been doing

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my job as the chair of fair care alliance. And

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I will apologise, but I'm pretty sure you're all up

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to date with what's happening with health care and how

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critical it is. If you also don't know about what's

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happening with port expansion, I've also let you down there.

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But, um, as I mentioned, we have a nation building

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project which ties rail into our deep sea port, which

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ties directly into some of the mandates coming out of

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Ottawa. I can tell you that ministers are pointing to

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Nanaimo as their biggest opportunity in Canada for growth. And

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how we can affect Canada as a whole. So why

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are these projects important? Well, they all mean that we

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need training programs. I had the privilege along with the

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mayor being up at VIU this past week to speak

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with the minister who was announcing 64 more seats in

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our apprenticeship programs. And to talk about the importance of

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VIU to us as community. They are part of this

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Accord. They will need to provide training for every single

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one of these projects that's listed here. The school district

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is involved in every one of these projects. As is

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are not - for - profits who will benefit from

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these projects and opportunity. So these are the first three

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projects to appear in our transformational project list. And I'm

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pushing the button, but this is not doing anything else.

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Uh, there it goes. So how the Accord is going

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to be used. We're going to use it to align

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our partners. We're going to use it for investment attraction.

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We're going to use it at senior levels of government

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to show how we are actually truly partnering with each

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other as community to be impactful and bring prosperity to

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our community. And we're going to use it for public

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communication. And what does endorsement mean. We're here this evening

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for a specific purpose. And just so we're clear, every

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organisation I list it is going through this exact same

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process. So as an example, the port authority board will

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be bringing back this back to our port board in

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September for them to endorse this document. All of the

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organisations I list will be signatories to this document signing

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on that they are actively participating in this process. So

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we are here tonight as our next step in the

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Accord to ask Council to endorse the Accord as it's

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been put forward. We recognise and for you to recognise

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the Accord as a shared civic touchstone to support partners

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using it to align advocacy in action. And a state

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that you are ready to work with others under a

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common banner. So next steps was this meeting. As I

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mentioned, every other partner group who has been part of

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this process is meeting with their boards because we all

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have boards that we answer to, um, to get sign

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off with the plan to get sign off, um, early

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this fall. It seemed like everybody's having their board meeting

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in the same week in September. So, uh, we will

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work our way through that. We will then be meeting

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with our provincial and our federal local leaders to be

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sharing the Accord and what impact we believe that it

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can have on community. And then we'll be sharing that

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further with groups like through VAEA and other organisations, um,

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moving forward to show as a leadership role what Nanaimo

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is doing. And I truly believe as we talk about

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these projects and we look at this process, this isn't

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just about an animal. This is about everybody who lives

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on Vancouver Island. I set it to the minister last

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week at VIU. How many cities that are not urban

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centres can boast a port authority can boast a university

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can boast a tertiary hospital can boast an airport. We

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have them all. That means we have all of the

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opportunity. And we are strongly aligned with our First Nations

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leaders. And so tonight I am here on behalf of

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the mayor's leaders table to ask the city of Nanaimo

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to sign on to the Accord and work with our

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group as we move forward in partnership with the other

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organisations in the city of the Nymal to truly bring

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prosperity to our community. Thank you. Thank you very much,

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Ms. Hayes. Much appreciated. We have a couple of questioners.

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Council Armstrong and Council Eastmear, please. Thank you, through your

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worship. Um, when you talk about public communication, how are

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you going to get that out to the public. Um,

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so there will be multiple faucets. We will all, um,

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how we've talked about it, but still to be determined

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by boards is we will all share it through our

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websites, through our social media pieces. Um, and that would

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include the city of the Nanaimo posting that you signed

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on to your pieces. Um, we have not planned any

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community meetings around sharing this, but we will do it

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that way and through our social media. So the big

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consistent messaging through all the partners. Correct. Thank you. Thank

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you, Council Read. Thank you through you. Thank you for

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this. I found it very interesting document to read and

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it was nice to see what I think is a

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shared vision that I think we've all sort of understood

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for a while, but to have it concisely written in

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this way is helpful. Um, I think my feedback in

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reading it, they're like page four and five, the items

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with the bolded text and then the item underneath. It

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wasn't clear to me like how to read those necessarily

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because there's equal spacing. So I think the bold text

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and then the, you know, the non - bold underneath

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kind of putting them together would make it clear that

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those are like little headings. Just from like an accessibility

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perspective, um, because you're touching on some pretty different issues

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there. I just wonder, do you think that it might

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make sense for council to wait on endorsing it until

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the other partners have given their feedback just because the

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cities, the convener of the committee and if changes need

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to be made that that, that, that could be something

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that council would then, um, have a chance to review

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how it went over with everyone else and endorse it.

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So I have two comments. My first is you have

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an election in October. And the boards to sign off.

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So I would, I don't know what your process is

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getting near the end before the election starts. Would hate

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the opportunity because this council really brought this group together

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to form this process. So my personal feeling is you

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should own this process. Um, the other piece is every

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single person who sat at the table was either a

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CEO, a CAO or a board chair of an organisation.

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So this wasn't, um, our staff populating, um, these meetings.

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And we've already all reviewed the documents at that level

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and already done our feedback for changes. So to your

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point about, you know, highlighting this are not high, some

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of those things may change. Um, my recommendation would be

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to, uh, for this council to support the Accord and

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principle. And if there were any major changes to be

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brought back to your attention after we've all had the

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chance to go back to our boards. Okay. That's, that's

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helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Hemmons and Councillor Prinum.

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Thank you, worship. And thank you, Ms. Hayes, for being

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here and all of your work on this. Um, I

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had, uh, I had the opportunity to attend a couple

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of these meetings and they were very interesting. And, um,

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I just want to comment on the point you just

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made. These are the powerhouses in an animal that are

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sitting around this table. We have all of the major

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economic players. It's been fascinating. My question for you, um,

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it's been, it's wild to know that so many CAOs

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can coalesce upon three ideas for Nanaimo. Were there any

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others that were left off that there was a lot

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of interest in or was it a solid buy -

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in for these three. For the transformational projects? Yes. Yeah.

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So I want to say that every single organisation brought

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a minimum of one project to the table. And everyone

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agreed that these were the top three. Now, I do

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want to say that at previous renderings of the mayor's

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leaders table where we concentrated on infrastructure, we brought four

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23 projects. The hospital and the port projects were the

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top of that group in that last whole process that

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we went through as well. And the reason is, is

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because the huge amount of overlap. So, um, you know,

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the airport brought forward projects. They need some of the

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pieces, the ports working on to support their projects. So

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if the pieces, the ports working on happen, then their

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pieces will fall in as well. As an example. Um,

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VIU will have some upcoming projects, but they want to

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be more recognised as being the education piece as they're

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transforming right now into the powerhouse that they will be

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to support these industries going forward. And so one thing

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that will be attached, in addition to the transformational projects,

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is a profile of each of the part of each

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of the partners. To highlight. But as I said, that

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document is to be living and to be changing. So

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it was brought up specifically, huge emphasis right now on

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rail, even though that's part of the port strategic plan.

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And if you delve into that, you get more information

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about what the recommendations on rail are. But that's a

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strategic piece that will become to the head as some

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of these other pieces get accomplished. Thank you very much.

475
00:31:44,616 --> 00:31:47,795
Uh, this has my full support. Thank you. Thank you.

476
00:31:47,795 --> 00:31:52,449
Councillor Prino. Thank you. Your worship and absolutely has my

477
00:31:52,489 --> 00:31:56,529
soul, my full support. Question for you. As you go

478
00:31:56,529 --> 00:31:59,889
through projects and you reach success, will you continue on

479
00:31:59,929 --> 00:32:03,329
with thee. And I'm a court as a group meeting

480
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:06,242
how often. So I believe the right to talk right

481
00:32:06,242 --> 00:32:07,922
now is that we're probably going to meet twice a

482
00:32:07,922 --> 00:32:10,882
year. Okay. Um, but the intent is to continue to

483
00:32:10,983 --> 00:32:14,482
meet. We understand players at that table will change as

484
00:32:14,482 --> 00:32:16,802
people retire or new people come in. But to keep

485
00:32:16,802 --> 00:32:19,842
that core group, um, together. Yes. We will continue to

486
00:32:19,943 --> 00:32:23,602
meet these projects are going to be done in a

487
00:32:23,602 --> 00:32:27,122
year. No. Right. We know a hospital tower. Yeah. I

488
00:32:27,143 --> 00:32:30,222
like to say eight years could be 10 years. Um,

489
00:32:30,503 --> 00:32:34,642
our port strategy is a 20 year strategy. And so

490
00:32:34,823 --> 00:32:39,202
we will continue to meet to push these projects forward.

491
00:32:39,202 --> 00:32:41,922
Yes. So you've only got three projects that you're really

492
00:32:41,962 --> 00:32:46,402
concentrating on. How many, what's kind of the, is it

493
00:32:46,442 --> 00:32:48,162
only ever going to be three or are you just

494
00:32:48,183 --> 00:32:50,242
going? No, we're going to add to it as a

495
00:32:50,282 --> 00:32:54,002
group as priorities emerge. I think we all know this.

496
00:32:54,002 --> 00:32:56,482
Our federal government, for instance, has been fairly clear on

497
00:32:56,522 --> 00:32:59,762
what their priorities are. We need to be flexible and

498
00:32:59,762 --> 00:33:01,922
nimble to be able to respond to opportunities for funding

499
00:33:01,943 --> 00:33:04,722
from them. Yes. The province has made a couple of

500
00:33:04,762 --> 00:33:08,482
things clear. I particularly look at health care. Um, well,

501
00:33:08,482 --> 00:33:12,802
the budget was not, uh, was not really positive overall.

502
00:33:12,802 --> 00:33:15,602
Let's be quite honest in terms of healthcare for Nanaimo,

503
00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:17,522
it was positive. Our long - term care beds and

504
00:33:17,522 --> 00:33:20,882
we're digging there right now. So we need to concept

505
00:33:20,922 --> 00:33:24,082
plan. And the concept plan that's getting started and island

506
00:33:24,122 --> 00:33:26,082
health is committed to the 12th. That's why island health

507
00:33:26,263 --> 00:33:29,042
is also at this table. Um, so it is important

508
00:33:29,223 --> 00:33:32,082
for this group to remain together, but to remain nimble.

509
00:33:32,082 --> 00:33:35,202
And that's why the transformational project piece is a living

510
00:33:35,383 --> 00:33:38,882
document. Good. Because if we need to pivot because our

511
00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:43,202
federal government, uh, make something else a priority. And one

512
00:33:43,202 --> 00:33:45,042
of us has that in our strategic plan. We need

513
00:33:45,042 --> 00:33:47,042
to be able to pull that forward, go together for

514
00:33:47,082 --> 00:33:50,162
the funding and implement that right away. Excellent. So good

515
00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:53,122
to have you here. Always, always want to see you

516
00:33:53,122 --> 00:33:56,642
here. Thank you so much. Thank you, Councillor Brown and

517
00:33:56,642 --> 00:34:00,727
Councillor Guesslebrook. Thanks. You worship and thanks for the presentation.

518
00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:03,927
I'm just curious on the process in which new projects

519
00:34:04,268 --> 00:34:09,227
get added or subtracted from the transformational projects portfolio. So

520
00:34:09,568 --> 00:34:12,725
some will get deleted as they get accomplished. Um, which

521
00:34:12,765 --> 00:34:15,205
I think is a given. Projects will get added as

522
00:34:15,306 --> 00:34:19,365
I previously mentioned as different levels of government bring forward.

523
00:34:20,496 --> 00:34:24,875
Emerging concepts or stress other things like defence right now

524
00:34:25,056 --> 00:34:28,635
is fairly important to our federal government. Um, we at

525
00:34:28,635 --> 00:34:30,155
the port, for instance, know that there are lots of

526
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,795
projects around ship building and whatnot. So that might be

527
00:34:32,816 --> 00:34:35,755
a transformational piece that has to be added or changed.

528
00:34:35,755 --> 00:34:37,865
And the document. The other thing is, is the reason

529
00:34:38,126 --> 00:34:41,865
that we want the, so I can be quite honest.

530
00:34:41,865 --> 00:34:44,025
This accord could be very quiet between the groups that

531
00:34:44,046 --> 00:34:46,108
are at the table. We could just go off and

532
00:34:46,148 --> 00:34:49,628
do our thing in private. We are very intentionally making

533
00:34:49,889 --> 00:34:54,428
it public and inviting other organisations to come forward and

534
00:34:54,468 --> 00:34:57,068
share their concepts or ideas that they think should be

535
00:34:57,169 --> 00:34:59,948
added or part of the process. Because there will be

536
00:34:59,948 --> 00:35:04,188
other opportunities that arise out of these projects that, that

537
00:35:04,209 --> 00:35:07,148
can't maybe be implemented by the people at the table.

538
00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,468
And we'll involve other people. We also want to be

539
00:35:09,468 --> 00:35:12,108
able to use the document for other people who want

540
00:35:12,108 --> 00:35:14,588
to invest in this community to come forward and bring

541
00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:18,988
forward their pieces and projects. And so that, those pieces,

542
00:35:18,988 --> 00:35:20,588
that's why we need to remain nimble to be able

543
00:35:20,588 --> 00:35:23,468
to take those away that maybe become redundant or have

544
00:35:23,508 --> 00:35:27,548
been completed, but to add those which rise in importance.

545
00:35:28,449 --> 00:35:30,268
If I may just thank you for that. And I'm

546
00:35:30,268 --> 00:35:34,028
just curious. So if the new project that gets added,

547
00:35:34,028 --> 00:35:37,388
does it require signatures again by everybody? No, because the

548
00:35:37,489 --> 00:35:40,268
signatures, um, I would say that it would require the

549
00:35:40,289 --> 00:35:42,988
group to come together and say, yes, it merits the

550
00:35:43,028 --> 00:35:45,388
importance. So whatever group would have to come and do,

551
00:35:45,388 --> 00:35:48,028
we all did presentations to the whole group with visual

552
00:35:48,209 --> 00:35:50,748
strategic plans and all of that to talk about how,

553
00:35:50,748 --> 00:35:52,348
and then we had sessions where we talked about how

554
00:35:52,388 --> 00:35:54,748
we could leverage each other's assets to maybe make the

555
00:35:54,788 --> 00:35:58,668
project more impactful. Um, and so whoever that group is

556
00:35:58,689 --> 00:36:00,268
would have to come and talk to the group about

557
00:36:00,289 --> 00:36:03,668
that. Um, but they will not be, the court is

558
00:36:03,668 --> 00:36:05,628
signed by the people that are at the table. There

559
00:36:05,628 --> 00:36:07,868
won't be new signatories to it, but new projects from

560
00:36:07,969 --> 00:36:09,948
outside groups could be added with the support of the

561
00:36:09,988 --> 00:36:14,357
group. Okay. Thank you for that. Thank you, Councillor Gesselbrook.

562
00:36:15,517 --> 00:36:18,536
Great. Uh, thank you, Mayor, through you. Um, yeah, I

563
00:36:18,536 --> 00:36:21,656
really appreciate the work that, uh, went into this and

564
00:36:21,677 --> 00:36:26,056
you're reading through the values and the, um, principals and

565
00:36:26,056 --> 00:36:27,576
the ambitions. I'm like, Oh man, I can use some

566
00:36:27,616 --> 00:36:31,176
of this for my campaign platform. And I just reading

567
00:36:31,176 --> 00:36:34,696
some of the things like, uh, guiding values rooted and

568
00:36:34,696 --> 00:36:39,336
regenerative, restoring ecosystems, circulating wealth locally and creating lasting generational

569
00:36:39,517 --> 00:36:46,216
opportunities. Um, also, uh, principle of rewarding coordination, putting shared

570
00:36:46,256 --> 00:36:49,656
priorities first and recognising that collaboration achieves more than working

571
00:36:49,837 --> 00:36:53,336
in silos. For some of these ambitions like making housing

572
00:36:53,357 --> 00:36:57,896
childcare and essential needs more attainable, protecting forest rivers and

573
00:36:57,896 --> 00:37:01,896
shorelines as vital community infrastructure and building an entrepreneurial city

574
00:37:01,917 --> 00:37:04,836
hall that matches private sector energy with public purpose. And

575
00:37:04,836 --> 00:37:07,656
I guess my question is, is that these are all

576
00:37:07,656 --> 00:37:09,736
very beautiful things. And then you look at the projects

577
00:37:09,917 --> 00:37:14,056
like expanding the hospital and expanding the port, which will

578
00:37:14,096 --> 00:37:16,696
bring significant growth. And I think we've kind of moved

579
00:37:16,877 --> 00:37:21,155
past growth for growth sake. And these principles and values

580
00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:25,295
are really wonderful things. And spoken. I'm just curious, how

581
00:37:25,295 --> 00:37:29,235
do you foresee this according accountability between all the appart

582
00:37:31,496 --> 00:37:33,715
that we're going to experience? We're doing it in a

583
00:37:33,715 --> 00:37:36,015
way, in a good way. That is protecting, you know,

584
00:37:36,015 --> 00:37:38,815
these, these shared assets that we have environmentally, you know,

585
00:37:39,896 --> 00:37:42,655
funding and supporting the people that live here in the

586
00:37:42,655 --> 00:37:45,955
workers and keeping that wealth circulating locally. I'm just curious

587
00:37:46,056 --> 00:37:48,995
around how you foresee the accountability and how this accord

588
00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:51,475
could support that. So one of the things that I

589
00:37:51,475 --> 00:37:54,195
think is critical about the court is it is about

590
00:37:54,616 --> 00:37:59,595
accountability. So currently there are other than, and I'll speak

591
00:37:59,635 --> 00:38:02,411
as the chair of the port authority board. So currently

592
00:38:02,672 --> 00:38:04,651
as the port authority, when we do a project, we

593
00:38:04,672 --> 00:38:07,611
have to meet all sorts of standards, both federally and

594
00:38:07,632 --> 00:38:11,931
provincially, whether that's Department of Fisheries, whether that's transport ministry,

595
00:38:11,931 --> 00:38:15,596
whatever those things are. But I can do that project

596
00:38:15,937 --> 00:38:18,876
or we can do that project in isolation on our

597
00:38:18,876 --> 00:38:23,836
own without actually going back to those in community that

598
00:38:23,876 --> 00:38:26,316
would be impacted and saying, Hey, what are your opinions

599
00:38:26,417 --> 00:38:28,156
of what can you bring to the table? How should

600
00:38:28,156 --> 00:38:31,756
we do this in partnership? There is the, a cord

601
00:38:31,756 --> 00:38:35,737
is about creating that accountability. And going back to those

602
00:38:35,918 --> 00:38:41,237
partners and having those conversations and creating those relationships. Now

603
00:38:41,598 --> 00:38:45,497
the last year, all of those relationships have just been

604
00:38:45,518 --> 00:38:47,897
strengthened. I'm not saying they didn't exist before, but they

605
00:38:47,897 --> 00:38:51,474
didn't exist like they exist now. And so I think

606
00:38:51,575 --> 00:38:54,514
the perfect example is, and I'm going to use your

607
00:38:54,514 --> 00:38:57,794
self - end community centre as the perfect example. When

608
00:38:57,815 --> 00:39:02,114
the mayor's leaders table previously convened and did our infrastructure

609
00:39:02,135 --> 00:39:05,634
list, we talked about projects that were not about a

610
00:39:05,634 --> 00:39:10,053
single purpose. But that encompassed other purposes. And they included

611
00:39:10,093 --> 00:39:12,773
things like, how does it affect health care? How do

612
00:39:12,773 --> 00:39:16,853
they play into transportation? Where does policing play a role?

613
00:39:16,853 --> 00:39:19,093
What's going on with daycare? Don't just look at it

614
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:21,733
as a single project, but put all of those pieces

615
00:39:22,074 --> 00:39:25,813
into it. And so as we move forward, we're looking

616
00:39:25,853 --> 00:39:30,113
to move forward as community as opposed to individuals. And

617
00:39:30,113 --> 00:39:32,773
when we think about projects, how does that impact or

618
00:39:32,813 --> 00:39:35,733
how do you work with other organisations moving forward? That's

619
00:39:35,773 --> 00:39:38,853
what the Accords about. That's its intent and its purpose

620
00:39:38,874 --> 00:39:41,733
is to create that accountability on the things we agree

621
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:44,613
on. Not me picking, well, we're, you know, we care

622
00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:47,933
about number one, number four, number five. It's about, we

623
00:39:47,933 --> 00:39:50,453
care about all six items on those page as a

624
00:39:50,453 --> 00:39:52,533
community. And so we are all going to work together

625
00:39:53,034 --> 00:39:57,124
to achieve all six items on that page. Great. Thank

626
00:39:57,124 --> 00:40:00,404
you. Yeah. I think working in silos always, uh, leads

627
00:40:00,444 --> 00:40:03,444
to poor outcomes. So I think this greater integration in

628
00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,004
open dialogue on what we want to pursue and how

629
00:40:06,044 --> 00:40:09,045
we do it is great stuff. So thank you. In

630
00:40:09,085 --> 00:40:12,897
order Councillor Storpe and then Menley. Thank you very much.

631
00:40:12,897 --> 00:40:14,977
Your worship through you. If I may. Thank you, Miss

632
00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:16,737
Hayes, for being here tonight and for all the work

633
00:40:16,737 --> 00:40:19,537
you do in our community. It's much appreciated. I enjoyed

634
00:40:19,577 --> 00:40:25,475
reading this report. And I found very interesting. Um, I

635
00:40:25,515 --> 00:40:28,195
suspect Council will be, uh, quite willing to support it.

636
00:40:29,137 --> 00:40:33,996
I was especially interested in your comments regarding global supply

637
00:40:34,036 --> 00:40:39,596
chains and the dangers that we're seeing there of fragmentation.

638
00:40:39,596 --> 00:40:43,356
Uh, the scarcity of industrial land and the systems required

639
00:40:43,396 --> 00:40:47,756
to move goods, uh, and you mentioned rail. And I'm,

640
00:40:47,756 --> 00:40:51,836
I'm curious in looking forward to reading more detail about

641
00:40:52,177 --> 00:40:55,756
that because it's something that we keep mentioning, but we

642
00:40:56,017 --> 00:41:00,156
don't seem to be making progress on it. Um, my

643
00:41:00,337 --> 00:41:02,316
question to you is this. As I said, I think

644
00:41:02,737 --> 00:41:05,617
I suspect Council will be highly supportive. But in terms

645
00:41:05,657 --> 00:41:10,755
of governance, there is a saying first heard deferred. And

646
00:41:10,776 --> 00:41:14,115
my question is, would it be satisfactory to you for

647
00:41:14,296 --> 00:41:19,475
Council to wait and vote on accepting, uh, or endorsing

648
00:41:20,056 --> 00:41:23,901
this accord in September. As opposed to immediately tonight so

649
00:41:23,901 --> 00:41:25,901
that we have a chance if we wish to hear

650
00:41:26,082 --> 00:41:34,198
staff comments on it first. I kind of shared my

651
00:41:34,238 --> 00:41:37,458
comments a little earlier on my thought about this. And

652
00:41:37,499 --> 00:41:40,044
my thought about this is that. I would like to

653
00:41:40,084 --> 00:41:43,700
see this council take a leadership role. On signing the

654
00:41:43,881 --> 00:41:48,237
Accord. I feel strongly that the mayor convened the mayor's

655
00:41:48,277 --> 00:41:51,197
leaders table. And it started way back in COVID to

656
00:41:51,298 --> 00:41:54,477
find out how our community could survive a pandemic when

657
00:41:54,517 --> 00:41:57,550
nobody knew the answer to that question. And then it

658
00:41:57,550 --> 00:41:59,950
came together to identify things like what are the major

659
00:42:00,131 --> 00:42:02,830
infrastructure pieces? What's the donut economy? How do we keep

660
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:07,234
youth engaged in our community. And it has evolved to

661
00:42:07,274 --> 00:42:10,514
where we are now to where we actually have this

662
00:42:10,535 --> 00:42:14,594
engagement from all these other organisations. And really that seed

663
00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:18,514
started at the mayor's leaders table started through the mayor

664
00:42:18,695 --> 00:42:21,194
in this council, putting together that group to say, we

665
00:42:21,194 --> 00:42:23,554
need to have a voice and do something different than

666
00:42:23,575 --> 00:42:25,394
other communities are doing. Now I want to say that

667
00:42:25,815 --> 00:42:30,020
Victoria has done something similar. But in our view, not

668
00:42:30,201 --> 00:42:33,620
as impactful or as directed as this is with the

669
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:37,497
specific partners that our group has. I think it would

670
00:42:37,678 --> 00:42:41,017
send a very strong signal to the other partners that

671
00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:45,177
this council believes that they started the conversation at the

672
00:42:45,278 --> 00:42:48,377
Mayor's Leaders table, and they are endorsing this process going

673
00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:51,737
forward and are taking a leadership stand on that piece.

674
00:42:51,737 --> 00:42:54,617
I think that would speak volumes that this council took

675
00:42:54,657 --> 00:42:58,095
that leadership stand. All right. Thank you. I appreciate your

676
00:42:58,276 --> 00:43:01,355
candor and I'll be happy to support it myself. But

677
00:43:01,396 --> 00:43:03,375
I'll wait to see the will of council. Thank you.

678
00:43:04,437 --> 00:43:08,155
Thank you, Councillor Manley. Uh, thank you your worship and

679
00:43:08,155 --> 00:43:11,395
through you. Thank you for the presentation. Um, this, this

680
00:43:11,435 --> 00:43:15,155
is a very, uh, important document I think. And I

681
00:43:15,155 --> 00:43:19,475
really appreciate the process of bringing things to the table.

682
00:43:19,475 --> 00:43:24,675
Um, when, uh, the different organisations are speaking with ministers.

683
00:43:24,675 --> 00:43:26,795
Is there kind of an expectation that they're going to

684
00:43:26,795 --> 00:43:33,150
be promoting some of these core projects. When they're speaking

685
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:35,870
with ministers from provincial or federal government? You'll find that

686
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:37,870
those of us that are part of this process are

687
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:41,790
already doing that. And we are co - hosting ministers

688
00:43:41,811 --> 00:43:44,238
as they come to community. So you will have seen

689
00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:47,198
Minister Fahrenworth, our provincial transport minister was here a couple

690
00:43:47,198 --> 00:43:50,078
of weeks ago. He was hosted by the port authority

691
00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:53,358
by the city of the Dynamo Unsugnamo working jointly together

692
00:43:53,379 --> 00:43:56,318
to bring ministers here. We have another invitation to federal

693
00:43:56,318 --> 00:43:59,678
ministers happening in November. It's the same piece. We're all

694
00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:02,478
inviting them to come together. Yeah. All of these things

695
00:44:02,518 --> 00:44:05,338
are very connected. What would you say before that, uh,

696
00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:08,958
if we're going to do a port expansion, we need

697
00:44:09,219 --> 00:44:12,558
hospital and health care. Yes. We're going to need workforce

698
00:44:12,558 --> 00:44:15,598
housing. Yes. So all of those things are, are integrated.

699
00:44:15,638 --> 00:44:17,198
I really appreciate the fact that when you go to

700
00:44:18,019 --> 00:44:21,438
Ottawa that you're pitching multiple projects, because I think it's

701
00:44:21,478 --> 00:44:24,431
pretty important. And it shows that we have it. That

702
00:44:24,431 --> 00:44:27,951
we have it together. And also, um, maybe just comment

703
00:44:27,991 --> 00:44:31,711
on the RDN, our commitment at the hospital board to

704
00:44:32,532 --> 00:44:36,431
increase taxes. I know people don't really like tax increases,

705
00:44:36,431 --> 00:44:38,591
but it's really important for getting these kind of projects

706
00:44:38,631 --> 00:44:41,830
done. Yeah. Well, I'll put on my fair care hat

707
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:47,218
for a minute here then. I can't speak highly enough

708
00:44:47,319 --> 00:44:49,938
of the work that the RDM board has done particularly

709
00:44:49,959 --> 00:44:54,498
over the last four years. Um, we would be in,

710
00:44:54,538 --> 00:44:58,498
we would not be in the provincial budget with the

711
00:44:58,498 --> 00:45:00,098
long - term care beds. And we would not be

712
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,298
on page 69 with a commitment of this provincial government

713
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,018
to invest in acute care services at NRGH. If the

714
00:45:08,018 --> 00:45:11,218
RDN had not stood up and taken a leadership role

715
00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:14,887
in the conversation. There's not a chance. You didn't see

716
00:45:15,148 --> 00:45:18,927
any other municipality in this province stand up in a

717
00:45:18,927 --> 00:45:22,087
leadership role that way and do that. And therefore you

718
00:45:22,087 --> 00:45:26,007
saw no other region in this province granted their health

719
00:45:26,108 --> 00:45:30,106
care projects. Burnaby lost face two of their hospital. Seven

720
00:45:30,127 --> 00:45:33,386
Communities in BC lost their long - term care bets.

721
00:45:34,355 --> 00:45:37,134
The leadership rule that the RDN has taken, and I

722
00:45:37,174 --> 00:45:41,214
pay taxes like everybody else. So I don't like saying

723
00:45:41,214 --> 00:45:43,054
that we need to pay more taxes, but I was

724
00:45:43,235 --> 00:45:49,054
there with MSA, with the hospital foundation board, encouraging the

725
00:45:49,395 --> 00:45:53,374
RDN to increase what they're putting away for health care.

726
00:45:53,374 --> 00:45:55,854
Because we can't expect our children to have to pay

727
00:45:55,875 --> 00:45:59,694
for it all. We need to participate in it now.

728
00:45:59,694 --> 00:46:01,854
And taking the leadership role and the stance that you

729
00:46:01,875 --> 00:46:06,494
did, um, with respect to the cardiovascular intervention centre has

730
00:46:06,534 --> 00:46:09,854
given fair care of the ability to have this argument

731
00:46:09,955 --> 00:46:12,974
for special funding to come to our community at the

732
00:46:13,155 --> 00:46:16,974
federal government level. And that has never happened. So yes,

733
00:46:17,155 --> 00:46:20,414
this community, and that's why I'm encouraging this council tonight

734
00:46:20,675 --> 00:46:23,374
to once again, take a leadership role in a project

735
00:46:23,475 --> 00:46:27,454
like this because the RDN has done it. This council

736
00:46:27,494 --> 00:46:30,494
did it informing the mayor's leaders table. I know that

737
00:46:30,515 --> 00:46:33,854
this council, our leaders and are doing things that other

738
00:46:33,894 --> 00:46:37,601
communities are just or not doing. I appreciate that. I'm

739
00:46:37,641 --> 00:46:39,361
fully ready to support this. I think it's a great

740
00:46:39,382 --> 00:46:41,601
document. And I think we're, we're going in a very

741
00:46:41,782 --> 00:46:47,463
positive direction. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Hemmons. Thank you.

742
00:46:47,503 --> 00:46:49,143
Worship. If you're open to it, I would like to

743
00:46:49,183 --> 00:46:54,103
move that Nanaimo City Council endorsed an IMO Accord. Secretary

744
00:46:54,124 --> 00:46:58,983
Pantheon. Just speak to it. No, thank you. Councillor Geselbrock.

745
00:46:58,983 --> 00:47:01,223
Thanks, actually another question for the delegation, if that's okay.

746
00:47:02,124 --> 00:47:05,223
Uh, thank you. Um, just in terms of, uh, The

747
00:47:05,244 --> 00:47:09,743
Hospital Expansion and the port expansion, um, it's going to

748
00:47:09,743 --> 00:47:12,163
require a lot of people to work there. And, uh,

749
00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:16,903
housing affordability has been, uh, major issue in the community.

750
00:47:16,903 --> 00:47:19,143
I think, you know, when we were writing the numbers,

751
00:47:19,143 --> 00:47:24,183
like 80 percent of people, you know, pay the rent

752
00:47:24,204 --> 00:47:27,783
here or purchase a house, you know, if they're going

753
00:47:27,783 --> 00:47:31,223
to spend more than 30 percent of their income And

754
00:47:31,324 --> 00:47:34,023
that availability to, to how those people that will be

755
00:47:34,023 --> 00:47:37,063
doing the work is a major, uh, choke point in

756
00:47:37,084 --> 00:47:40,583
being able to provide the services that we need here.

757
00:47:40,583 --> 00:47:45,863
Was that discussed much as a gap and something that

758
00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:49,463
in need of being able to be addressed as a

759
00:47:49,484 --> 00:47:52,663
core project in the community and to text and project

760
00:47:52,924 --> 00:47:54,903
address that a little bit. I guess curious how to,

761
00:47:54,924 --> 00:47:57,823
how is addressing affordability to actually like be able to

762
00:47:58,204 --> 00:48:01,952
provide the workers for this growth. So we've actually talked

763
00:48:01,992 --> 00:48:05,789
about this at length. Um, I want to say that

764
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:08,109
we are taking a unique perspective on it. And so

765
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:13,469
we already have a project that's going to come forward.

766
00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:16,269
Um, you'll probably see some announcements about it over the

767
00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:18,189
next six months or so as we get into a

768
00:48:18,189 --> 00:48:21,069
little bit more. But I will use the hospital as

769
00:48:21,069 --> 00:48:25,389
the example. They're 3, 200 employees who work their currently.

770
00:48:25,389 --> 00:48:27,629
The hospital foundation has done a survey about how many

771
00:48:27,669 --> 00:48:30,429
of those employees feel that they need access to workforce

772
00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:34,909
housing. Um, it was in the realm of 1400 employees

773
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,509
felt that they would, if they could access workforce housing,

774
00:48:38,509 --> 00:48:42,489
that would help them with affordability. Um, and so, uh,

775
00:48:42,489 --> 00:48:46,589
the hospital foundation. And they're not the only foundation of

776
00:48:46,629 --> 00:48:49,309
their type. Colonna, I believe has done something similar on

777
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:52,829
a much smaller scale. Um, we have created a strategic

778
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:56,089
partnership working with the school district around two things. One

779
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:59,725
is daycare. Now our project did not get approved in

780
00:48:59,725 --> 00:49:02,365
the budget to add 100 seat daycare at the Hospital

781
00:49:02,386 --> 00:49:05,805
campus. Um, but that doesn't mean we're not moving forward,

782
00:49:05,805 --> 00:49:08,925
uh, with it working on strategic plans for it outside

783
00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:12,205
of the box. So the one thing that we found,

784
00:49:12,205 --> 00:49:13,645
and you all know this, because you hear me talk

785
00:49:13,685 --> 00:49:15,725
about healthcare is we have to get outside of the

786
00:49:15,765 --> 00:49:18,365
box on how we fund projects. And so that means

787
00:49:18,786 --> 00:49:22,365
employer engagement in what workforce housing looks like. And so

788
00:49:22,405 --> 00:49:25,165
the hospital foundation currently, I said on their board as

789
00:49:25,165 --> 00:49:28,125
well, we are working on a hundred unit workforce housing

790
00:49:28,226 --> 00:49:31,325
as a start and a hundred seat daycare that will

791
00:49:31,325 --> 00:49:33,885
go a long ways to supporting currently what's happening with

792
00:49:34,226 --> 00:49:37,525
hospital workers. Other large employers in town are going to

793
00:49:37,525 --> 00:49:41,165
have to have similar conversations, but now the plan is

794
00:49:41,205 --> 00:49:43,885
to move forward in those conversations in partnerships with other

795
00:49:43,986 --> 00:49:48,605
groups. So as opposed to taking it on just on

796
00:49:48,605 --> 00:49:51,885
your own as an organisation, it's about strategically partnering with

797
00:49:51,885 --> 00:49:55,198
other groups about what that looks like. Great. Thank you.

798
00:49:55,198 --> 00:49:57,838
And so it sounds like that conversation is happening within

799
00:49:57,878 --> 00:50:00,798
the partners of the Accord. Is that something or a

800
00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:03,918
bubbling project that could allow greater collaboration at that accord

801
00:50:04,019 --> 00:50:07,358
level as a, as a potential project, um, to help

802
00:50:07,619 --> 00:50:11,198
with that coordination amongst the different groups? Yeah. It is.

803
00:50:11,198 --> 00:50:13,918
And actually I will say this, that partnership I just

804
00:50:13,918 --> 00:50:17,438
referenced is actually ahead of this accord being signed because

805
00:50:17,438 --> 00:50:20,158
both of our boards have already agreed in principle and

806
00:50:20,158 --> 00:50:24,158
signed off on us moving forward on projects. So it's

807
00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:27,358
the idea germinated during this last year. It's just we're

808
00:50:27,398 --> 00:50:29,918
working faster than the Accord process took us to all

809
00:50:29,918 --> 00:50:31,838
come to the same place. So yes, I think you're

810
00:50:31,838 --> 00:50:33,598
going to find this because we're all talking about it

811
00:50:34,499 --> 00:50:36,718
that this housing will be tied to part of this

812
00:50:37,059 --> 00:50:42,670
discussion. Great. Thank you. Thank you. And Councillor Brown. You

813
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:44,950
worship. I just have comments for when council debates. I

814
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:48,862
have no, no questions for the delegation. Uh, the motion's

815
00:50:48,862 --> 00:50:51,902
on the floor. Okay. Okay. So we're to be Ms.

816
00:50:51,942 --> 00:50:58,481
Hayes. Thank you very much. Much appreciated. Thanks, your worship.

817
00:50:58,481 --> 00:51:00,561
Um, I remember when this came forward, I was skeptical

818
00:51:00,582 --> 00:51:02,641
at the time. Uh, I can appreciate a lot of

819
00:51:02,662 --> 00:51:05,566
energy. And intention has gone behind it. And I do

820
00:51:05,566 --> 00:51:08,246
believe probably the intentions are very good. A lot of

821
00:51:08,246 --> 00:51:11,846
other communities have done similar. And I get it. Alignment

822
00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:15,196
and frustrations with lack of alignment within the community. However,

823
00:51:15,217 --> 00:51:18,316
I will not be supporting it. I'm fairly skeptical of

824
00:51:18,417 --> 00:51:21,436
anything that, uh, even if it seems minor at first

825
00:51:21,937 --> 00:51:24,876
shifts, uh, conversations to the board room, which I think

826
00:51:24,916 --> 00:51:28,636
are more appropriate in the public realm. And if Nanaimo

827
00:51:29,457 --> 00:51:32,556
tonight signs on to this, uh, projects can be added

828
00:51:32,817 --> 00:51:35,756
and they will be decided upon by folks who are

829
00:51:35,796 --> 00:51:38,476
largely have not been elected representatives for the community as

830
00:51:38,516 --> 00:51:42,273
a whole. Um, and I can imagine a scenario. I

831
00:51:42,273 --> 00:51:44,233
don't think anytime soon, but I could imagine a scenario

832
00:51:44,254 --> 00:51:48,953
where an incinerator on lands gets proposed without public debate

833
00:51:49,294 --> 00:51:51,993
as part of the portfolio. And I don't, I think

834
00:51:52,814 --> 00:51:57,833
had this table, uh, if there is to be projects

835
00:51:58,014 --> 00:52:00,953
added or to remove, they should come forward and be

836
00:52:01,054 --> 00:52:04,713
known by the community. If Nanaimo is a signatory on

837
00:52:05,054 --> 00:52:08,655
the Accord. Thank you. Thank you very much. And I'll

838
00:52:08,695 --> 00:52:11,695
respond really if you did that. If the taxpayers are

839
00:52:11,735 --> 00:52:14,175
being asked to provide all the funding and all the

840
00:52:14,175 --> 00:52:16,815
members will be asked being provided the funding. And it

841
00:52:16,815 --> 00:52:18,895
wasn't in a public place. That would be a different

842
00:52:18,895 --> 00:52:22,975
situation. But as Ms. Hayes is outlined in terms of

843
00:52:22,996 --> 00:52:25,335
how the Accord will work and what is proposed, I

844
00:52:25,335 --> 00:52:28,335
think it's perfectly reasonable. I'm also noting that we're now

845
00:52:28,375 --> 00:52:31,115
at 10 to eight. We have a long agenda. All

846
00:52:31,115 --> 00:52:38,831
those in favor. I can appreciate the, uh, length of

847
00:52:39,012 --> 00:52:41,151
debate on this, but it is quite a significant support

848
00:52:41,892 --> 00:52:45,871
by the community behind these three major projects. And I

849
00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:51,151
think that, uh, one of which has had quite numerous

850
00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:53,711
public debate around the hospital expansion. I think that's something

851
00:52:53,711 --> 00:52:56,751
that everybody has agreed on. Some of the other projects

852
00:52:57,492 --> 00:53:01,071
I think are new to the public awareness. Um, the

853
00:53:01,092 --> 00:53:05,951
Texton Development up beside VIU is a significant. Um, and

854
00:53:05,972 --> 00:53:09,951
I think that it's got very strong merits and can

855
00:53:10,212 --> 00:53:12,671
have major positive support in the community. And they also

856
00:53:12,671 --> 00:53:17,071
is the Duke Point expansion. And I think the idea

857
00:53:17,172 --> 00:53:20,191
of strengthening supply chains and being able to have an

858
00:53:20,231 --> 00:53:23,711
Inamo as a hub is very important. Um, for the

859
00:53:23,711 --> 00:53:26,671
movement of goods. Uh, I don't know how much sort

860
00:53:26,671 --> 00:53:29,871
of public awareness and input, you know, for the city

861
00:53:30,052 --> 00:53:35,711
supporting this type of development has in the public awareness.

862
00:53:35,711 --> 00:53:39,231
I definitely support the expansion of the port. Um, but

863
00:53:39,332 --> 00:53:42,191
I do share similar concerns to Councillor Brown in terms

864
00:53:42,191 --> 00:53:45,071
of the process of the city coming to the table.

865
00:53:45,071 --> 00:53:48,351
Now we started up the prosperity corporation that's done an

866
00:53:48,351 --> 00:53:51,631
amazing job bringing the players together around the chord and

867
00:53:51,631 --> 00:53:54,591
the mayor's leaders table. But this is the first time

868
00:53:54,631 --> 00:53:59,311
that it has come to the Council table. And as,

869
00:53:59,311 --> 00:54:02,511
um, Councillor Thorpe has brought up, you know, we always

870
00:54:02,551 --> 00:54:06,351
do first come to, you know, her deferred. And it

871
00:54:06,351 --> 00:54:09,471
is a delegation bringing a motion forward. And we might

872
00:54:09,471 --> 00:54:17,311
even actually have a bylaw around our procedural bylaw on

873
00:54:17,492 --> 00:54:22,111
being able to, um, make a motion on a delegation.

874
00:54:22,111 --> 00:54:25,151
And I'm just kind of curious, does our procedural come

875
00:54:25,191 --> 00:54:30,074
into effect on this. Ms. Gary. Yes, thank you, worship.

876
00:54:30,074 --> 00:54:31,834
So the procedure by law is, um, on your agenda

877
00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:35,674
for adoption tonight. So the changes haven't been adopted yet.

878
00:54:35,674 --> 00:54:38,474
Um, this matter was on your last Council agenda under

879
00:54:38,655 --> 00:54:41,754
consent items because it came from the Mayor's leaders table.

880
00:54:41,754 --> 00:54:46,314
So the recommendation to bring this presentation and motion to

881
00:54:46,335 --> 00:54:50,154
this table was on your last agenda. So just procedurally

882
00:54:50,415 --> 00:54:53,274
there was a forewarning to it coming. Um, as well

883
00:54:53,274 --> 00:54:56,234
as any other minutes and or discussion that happened at

884
00:54:56,274 --> 00:54:59,514
the Mayor's Leaders table is available on your agendas as

885
00:54:59,514 --> 00:55:02,714
well. Um, if they've, if they've been approved. So I

886
00:55:02,714 --> 00:55:05,434
just wanted to note that. And as to the making

887
00:55:05,615 --> 00:55:09,514
a motion on, on their was debate whether to put

888
00:55:09,615 --> 00:55:11,354
this motion on here because it did come from the

889
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:15,674
Mayor's leaders table to have this. But, um, my bad,

890
00:55:15,674 --> 00:55:17,434
I knew it was going to be on the presentation

891
00:55:17,474 --> 00:55:20,874
screen. So, um, this came from the Mayor's leaders table

892
00:55:21,055 --> 00:55:23,354
was under consent at your last meeting that this recommendation

893
00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:27,194
would be before you tonight. So it's slightly different than,

894
00:55:27,194 --> 00:55:31,194
um, approving a delegations motion on the fly just to

895
00:55:31,194 --> 00:55:34,074
give you that background. Though it's at Council's discretion, whatever

896
00:55:34,735 --> 00:55:38,227
you choose to do. Maria, thank you. Um, I do

897
00:55:38,248 --> 00:55:43,667
think Councillor Bound does raise some concerns on just process.

898
00:55:43,707 --> 00:55:46,787
Having read the Accord and been, you know, privy to

899
00:55:46,827 --> 00:55:49,347
the discussions that have led to it. And I think

900
00:55:49,528 --> 00:55:54,227
the values that are outlined in it are very sound.

901
00:55:54,227 --> 00:55:55,667
Um, and I think that it is for the benefit

902
00:55:55,667 --> 00:55:58,947
of the community and the processes in place around the

903
00:55:58,968 --> 00:56:03,347
principles really do lead to a collaborative dialogue on how

904
00:56:03,448 --> 00:56:05,407
we go forward and the projects that we choose. And

905
00:56:05,448 --> 00:56:07,747
so that I am supportive and I can understand the

906
00:56:07,848 --> 00:56:11,507
timing challenges with the, uh, break in August and the

907
00:56:11,547 --> 00:56:13,507
election coming up. But it's something that I do stand

908
00:56:13,507 --> 00:56:15,747
behind and support. And so I'll be voting in favor.

909
00:56:15,747 --> 00:56:19,860
Thank you. Thank you. Motions on the floor, all those

910
00:56:19,881 --> 00:56:25,067
in favor. Looks like it's unanimous except for Council Brown.

911
00:56:25,067 --> 00:56:28,107
Thank you very much. Much appreciated, Ms. Hayes. Thank you

912
00:56:28,208 --> 00:56:31,864
as always for your attendance. Uh, the committee meetings for

913
00:56:31,965 --> 00:56:35,304
the Governance and Paris Committee Meeting held on May the

914
00:56:35,304 --> 00:56:40,104
11th, June 15th. And at Finance Aut at June 17th,

915
00:56:40,104 --> 00:56:42,344
are just for receipt. No motion required. We have no

916
00:56:42,445 --> 00:56:48,131
consent items. Uh, delegations unrelated to agenda items. Uh, Andrea

917
00:56:48,152 --> 00:56:51,491
CO2 review of school zone speed limits, Ms. Katub. Good

918
00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:54,851
evening. Just introduce yourself for the record. You have five

919
00:56:54,851 --> 00:56:56,771
minutes. And when the minute left, I'll let you know.

920
00:56:56,771 --> 00:57:02,829
Thank you. Thank you. Good evening Mayor and Council. I'm

921
00:57:02,869 --> 00:57:06,509
Andrea Coutube, and I live in Nanaimo. Before I start,

922
00:57:06,509 --> 00:57:09,229
I just want to acknowledge that Bill Holden was my

923
00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:13,069
instructor. And I just received that news. Um, and he

924
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:15,629
was very patient with me and answered all my questions

925
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:18,269
about becoming a city council when I was a young

926
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:21,869
person. So that may affect my delivery just a little

927
00:57:21,869 --> 00:57:27,083
bit. But I'm here to you talk to you tonight

928
00:57:27,344 --> 00:57:33,141
about some school zone changes. I'm not new to pedestrian

929
00:57:33,181 --> 00:57:38,181
safety. I was a school patrol guard for three years.

930
00:57:38,181 --> 00:57:40,901
And when I was 18, I got my trades ticket

931
00:57:40,922 --> 00:57:44,661
at VIU for being a flagger. Um, I've done some

932
00:57:44,922 --> 00:57:48,741
advocacy in the past for traffic safety changes at Colh

933
00:57:48,781 --> 00:57:53,701
Harbour Playground in Vancouver, as well as working to change

934
00:57:55,082 --> 00:57:58,581
some rollout of the first all ages and abilities protected

935
00:57:58,621 --> 00:58:02,261
by claim beside a school in Vancouver. I've also done

936
00:58:02,282 --> 00:58:06,901
some advocacy with BCEED access society around elopement at school

937
00:58:07,002 --> 00:58:12,911
yards. I know the city is working to. Sorry.

938
00:58:17,835 --> 00:58:20,214
What I wanted to bring forward is that I know

939
00:58:20,475 --> 00:58:23,734
the school zones are something the city is working on

940
00:58:23,915 --> 00:58:27,014
right now. But I noticed when I was dropping off

941
00:58:27,115 --> 00:58:31,574
my son that Nanaimo school zones aren't currently marked for

942
00:58:31,595 --> 00:58:36,134
all year or balanced calendar or summer school sites, many

943
00:58:36,134 --> 00:58:40,934
cities have specific signs now. Um, such as Burnaby and

944
00:58:40,974 --> 00:58:45,574
Coquilla, there was a BC Supreme Court case in 2010

945
00:58:46,315 --> 00:58:49,094
that established that the school day is more than just

946
00:58:49,134 --> 00:58:53,254
the regular school year. It can count Pro D days,

947
00:58:53,254 --> 00:58:57,270
for example. The regular calendar is the definition. So whether

948
00:58:57,310 --> 00:59:00,390
that includes summer school or not might be a little

949
00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:03,910
bit up for debate, but I believe that because our

950
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:06,870
aim is safety, we should be putting up signage for

951
00:59:07,131 --> 00:59:12,354
summer schools. The school day is to find under the

952
00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:16,754
School Calendar Regulation. Is any day in session and a

953
00:59:16,794 --> 00:59:20,354
day in session means the principal and teachers are scheduled

954
00:59:20,354 --> 00:59:25,794
to be there for instructional activities, non - instructional activities,

955
00:59:25,815 --> 00:59:29,634
administrative activities, but not voluntary times if they come in

956
00:59:29,655 --> 00:59:33,905
early to start for September. It also applies to students.

957
00:59:34,669 --> 00:59:37,608
The city's current plan, uh, and I really appreciate that

958
00:59:37,648 --> 00:59:41,848
the transportation manager took the time to speak with me.

959
00:59:41,848 --> 00:59:44,408
Um, via email. The city is working on a project

960
00:59:44,669 --> 00:59:49,048
to establish permanent speed reduced areas. There's a focus on

961
00:59:49,088 --> 00:59:53,368
the areas surrounding schools and they'll be using these authority

962
00:59:53,408 --> 00:59:59,208
to regulate speed limits through municipal bylaws. But that phased

963
00:59:59,208 --> 01:00:02,968
approach is still a year away. And the governance and

964
01:00:03,008 --> 01:00:05,608
priorities meeting in September, but I think we could make

965
01:00:05,709 --> 01:00:09,448
some changes now just around the school zones for summer

966
01:00:09,448 --> 01:00:15,996
school and year round sites. By putting up the signage

967
01:00:16,017 --> 01:00:20,876
for year round and summer school sites, we could have

968
01:00:21,057 --> 01:00:24,956
drivers reduce their speed now. It just needs a couple

969
01:00:24,956 --> 01:00:28,956
of signs to transportation managers already looking into what it

970
01:00:28,956 --> 01:00:32,070
would take to order science. Another piece I think that

971
01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:35,510
could be improved is a communication plan with the school

972
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:39,030
district because it's the school district that decides when school

973
01:00:39,371 --> 01:00:41,990
is in session, but is the city that's responsible for

974
01:00:42,171 --> 01:00:46,470
the school zones. Um, so I reached out to the

975
01:00:46,571 --> 01:00:48,690
school district. I haven't heard back from them yet, but

976
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:51,590
I think that if the city and the district work

977
01:00:51,611 --> 01:00:54,070
together, there could be a communication plan just so that

978
01:00:54,070 --> 01:00:58,390
you know that, for example, the learning alternative site or

979
01:00:58,411 --> 01:01:02,575
island connect or running year round. Another thing would be

980
01:01:02,996 --> 01:01:06,315
to review whether admin sites such as deferen and the

981
01:01:06,315 --> 01:01:09,455
board office, which are both within school zones also need

982
01:01:09,476 --> 01:01:14,947
year - round signage. Going further, I would suggest reviewing

983
01:01:15,288 --> 01:01:19,027
whether secondary schools need consistent zones. I found some of

984
01:01:19,848 --> 01:01:23,471
the high schools had them and some don't. I would

985
01:01:23,471 --> 01:01:27,791
consider whether playground zoning or extending hours might better fit

986
01:01:28,212 --> 01:01:31,871
our changing communities because we have out of school care

987
01:01:31,911 --> 01:01:36,511
and child care, sports and extracurriculars, playground use and rentals

988
01:01:36,551 --> 01:01:41,871
by groups serving the same populations. Burnaby actually extended their

989
01:01:41,911 --> 01:01:46,031
hours till 10 p. m. while I'm not suggesting that.

990
01:01:46,031 --> 01:01:47,871
It's just a thought. Another thing would be to review

991
01:01:48,532 --> 01:01:54,351
frontage strategies for where the school district doesn't front right

992
01:01:54,391 --> 01:01:57,871
on to a major road that may still be a

993
01:01:57,871 --> 01:02:04,525
challenge. Such as Pleasant Valley. In closing, I'd just like

994
01:02:04,525 --> 01:02:07,165
to thank the city staff and councillors who took the

995
01:02:07,186 --> 01:02:10,525
time to respond and provide information and who are patient

996
01:02:10,525 --> 01:02:13,165
with me and learning about this as a parent who

997
01:02:13,205 --> 01:02:15,645
has to drop my child off at one of the

998
01:02:15,645 --> 01:02:18,985
sites. And I'm here for questions if you have any.

999
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:23,182
Thank you. Thank you very much Councillor Perino. Thank you.

1000
01:02:23,182 --> 01:02:24,862
You were very quick question. I just wanted to confirm

1001
01:02:24,963 --> 01:02:26,622
you have not talked to the school board about this

1002
01:02:27,443 --> 01:02:30,142
as yet. Is that right? I emailed the school board,

1003
01:02:30,142 --> 01:02:34,782
but no response. I understand that someone was on vacation.

1004
01:02:34,782 --> 01:02:37,881
Okay. And did you talk to our Sam Piatal. I

1005
01:02:37,902 --> 01:02:40,121
haven't talked to the RCM. Okay. I just, I just

1006
01:02:40,121 --> 01:02:43,481
wondered if you'd had any feedback from them and where

1007
01:02:43,521 --> 01:02:45,561
they were coming from because it has certainly been a

1008
01:02:45,561 --> 01:02:48,281
discussion at this table. And I know Councillor Armstrong has

1009
01:02:48,321 --> 01:02:51,161
brought it up, particularly, you know, when do you have

1010
01:02:51,422 --> 01:02:54,441
these signs? Where are they effective? What type of signs

1011
01:02:54,441 --> 01:02:57,321
you have in your schools and around? So good discussion.

1012
01:02:57,321 --> 01:02:59,161
Thank you for coming and speaking with us. Thank you.

1013
01:03:00,142 --> 01:03:03,608
Thank you. Not seeing any further questions. Thank you for

1014
01:03:03,608 --> 01:03:06,568
the presentation tonight taking the time. Thank you. Appreciate it.

1015
01:03:07,952 --> 01:03:10,971
Uh, the next item or administer reports. The first is

1016
01:03:11,011 --> 01:03:15,291
consideration of new permissive tax exemptions for 2027, Ms. Mercer.

1017
01:03:15,291 --> 01:03:19,249
Please. Thank you, your worship. So the city has six

1018
01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:22,289
organisations requesting to be put on the premise of tax

1019
01:03:22,329 --> 01:03:27,249
exemption bylaw for 2027. However, only three of the six

1020
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:30,449
applicants have met the criteria outlined in the grant policy

1021
01:03:31,030 --> 01:03:34,529
and guidelines. So the Vancouver Island Real Estate Board and

1022
01:03:34,529 --> 01:03:36,849
they're applying for the first time for their property. They

1023
01:03:36,849 --> 01:03:41,493
occupy at 6374 Metro Drive. Then I'm a youth services

1024
01:03:42,074 --> 01:03:45,333
and they're applying their property they lease at 290 Bastion

1025
01:03:45,373 --> 01:03:48,853
Street. And the fraternal order of eagles are a number

1026
01:03:49,114 --> 01:03:51,413
15. And they're applying for the first time for their

1027
01:03:51,514 --> 01:03:56,213
property that they occupy at 245 Fraser Street. A small

1028
01:03:56,234 --> 01:04:01,333
targeted review was done on 89 properties previously listed on

1029
01:04:01,373 --> 01:04:05,013
the 2026 PTE bylaw. As there were some outdated records

1030
01:04:05,274 --> 01:04:09,253
in the cities files. Uh, as well, six properties are

1031
01:04:09,293 --> 01:04:13,173
being recommended for removal from the PTE bylaw for 2027.

1032
01:04:13,674 --> 01:04:17,173
Despite attempts at CONTACT, no applications were received from the

1033
01:04:17,274 --> 01:04:23,013
following. So the Bethlehem Investors Group 42393 Arbor Road and

1034
01:04:23,034 --> 01:04:28,853
2371 Arbit Road. The Hope Lutheran Church at 2174 departure

1035
01:04:28,874 --> 01:04:32,453
Bay Road and St. Andrews, United Church at 315 Fitzwillian

1036
01:04:32,453 --> 01:04:36,020
Street. So as these are places of worship, proportion of

1037
01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:39,860
the property, uh, predominantly used for worship will continue to

1038
01:04:39,961 --> 01:04:43,860
receive a statutory exemption. The remaining land around the church

1039
01:04:44,361 --> 01:04:49,632
up to five acres. Can be exempted by council. So

1040
01:04:49,653 --> 01:04:52,752
this is the portion of property that would become taxable

1041
01:04:54,293 --> 01:04:57,392
as their application wasn't received. So having said that staff

1042
01:04:57,432 --> 01:04:59,632
are going to reach out one more time to these

1043
01:05:01,253 --> 01:05:06,170
four properties. To ask these organisations to encourage them to

1044
01:05:06,191 --> 01:05:10,810
get their application in because they're a significant, um, property

1045
01:05:10,850 --> 01:05:16,330
values. So should we receive applications for these properties before

1046
01:05:16,431 --> 01:05:18,730
we come back to you in September? We will include

1047
01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:24,423
those on the bylaw for Council's consideration. Um, the, and

1048
01:05:24,524 --> 01:05:27,223
there were also three properties that we'll be removed as

1049
01:05:27,564 --> 01:05:31,623
they're no longer occupying at the site. So we have

1050
01:05:31,804 --> 01:05:36,183
Mid Island Abilities and Independent Living Society, uh, and an

1051
01:05:36,183 --> 01:05:39,623
animal systems planning organisation society and the Society of Equity

1052
01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:44,183
Inclusion and Advocacy. So staff are here to seek council's

1053
01:05:44,183 --> 01:05:48,583
direction on these recommendations as well as answer any questions

1054
01:05:48,684 --> 01:05:53,866
that you have. Thank you very much, Councillor Thorpe. Thank

1055
01:05:53,866 --> 01:05:55,706
you very much. Your worship through you, if I may.

1056
01:05:56,269 --> 01:05:59,528
Appreciate the report, a number of years ago when this

1057
01:05:59,568 --> 01:06:02,128
was, uh, under the Bailey week of Council members, I

1058
01:06:02,128 --> 01:06:05,988
sat on the committee, uh, overseeing permissive text exemptions. And

1059
01:06:05,988 --> 01:06:09,188
I know the value they ring to our community, uh,

1060
01:06:09,309 --> 01:06:11,908
what I have forgotten, Ms. Mercer. And maybe you can

1061
01:06:11,908 --> 01:06:15,528
give me just a ballpark figure is the total value

1062
01:06:15,949 --> 01:06:18,738
dollar amount. That the city gives out in terms of

1063
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:23,461
tax exemptions. Sorry to put you on the spot. Just

1064
01:06:23,461 --> 01:06:25,541
give me a rough estimate. I'm going to hand it

1065
01:06:25,541 --> 01:06:28,741
over to, uh, Anna, cause she will have those numbers

1066
01:06:29,162 --> 01:06:32,821
right at her fingertips. Ms. Francisco, good evening. Welcome. Good

1067
01:06:32,861 --> 01:06:37,141
evening Councillor and Mayor. The estimated value is about 2.

1068
01:06:37,162 --> 01:06:41,802
4 million dollars for about 1770 properties. That are currently

1069
01:06:41,903 --> 01:06:46,144
exempt. Thank you very much. 2. 4 million dollars that

1070
01:06:46,144 --> 01:06:50,464
the city has providing primarily to nonprofit organisations that provide

1071
01:06:50,725 --> 01:06:53,664
services that benefit our community. And I think that deserves

1072
01:06:53,704 --> 01:06:56,704
to be noted. And I think they are extremely valuable

1073
01:06:56,725 --> 01:07:00,624
to our community and very worthwhile to the organisations that

1074
01:07:00,725 --> 01:07:03,504
receive them. So, uh, I also know that there are

1075
01:07:03,525 --> 01:07:07,024
strict guidelines and criteria that have to be followed and

1076
01:07:07,064 --> 01:07:10,224
appreciate staff's diligence and making sure that that happens. Thank

1077
01:07:10,224 --> 01:07:15,779
you. Thank you very much Councillor Gesselbrock. Thanks. Um, I

1078
01:07:15,819 --> 01:07:19,119
guess I was just a little surprised to see, um,

1079
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,099
the Vancouver Island Real Estate Board as an applicant for

1080
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,539
permissive tax exemption. And my understanding, it's an association of,

1081
01:07:27,539 --> 01:07:33,539
um, realtors and, you know, and they've lobbied council and

1082
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,579
they provide professional oversight and guidance. But, um, I just

1083
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:45,459
curious our criteria for selecting. I was just surprised one

1084
01:07:45,499 --> 01:07:48,639
the need for public subsidy for the association and the

1085
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,379
building and just looking at the membership dues and what

1086
01:07:51,419 --> 01:07:56,739
it would cost, you know, consideration of financial need and

1087
01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:59,459
also just the eligibility, um, because I'm, yeah, I'm surprised

1088
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,059
and that there is a need from the association for

1089
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:08,542
a permissive tax exemption. Thank you. Ms. Francisco, please. Mr.

1090
01:08:08,563 --> 01:08:14,202
Your Worship. We don't look specifically of financial need. And

1091
01:08:14,202 --> 01:08:16,382
one of the reasons for that is because it's really

1092
01:08:16,422 --> 01:08:19,262
hard to compare apples to apples. Sometimes we've got a

1093
01:08:19,302 --> 01:08:23,882
large national organisation. Sometimes we just have local charities. Uh,

1094
01:08:23,882 --> 01:08:27,742
so the guideline includes registered nonprofit status and charity status.

1095
01:08:28,756 --> 01:08:33,615
Adherence to city policies. And of course, overall community benefit.

1096
01:08:33,615 --> 01:08:35,935
So within the guideline in the policy, the real estate

1097
01:08:36,036 --> 01:08:41,912
aboard does meet the criteria. Okay. Yeah. I think that,

1098
01:08:41,912 --> 01:08:45,112
um, I think there's, it looks like there's quite a

1099
01:08:45,453 --> 01:08:48,552
broad, you know, what community benefit is and no doubt

1100
01:08:48,813 --> 01:08:50,632
the great work that's done there. And I think just

1101
01:08:50,813 --> 01:08:53,112
look in the need and also the amount of subsidy

1102
01:08:53,152 --> 01:08:55,352
that we do provide. I'm struggling a little bit with

1103
01:08:55,392 --> 01:08:56,872
that, but I guess we'll, I'll, I'll save that for

1104
01:08:56,872 --> 01:09:03,291
the debate. Thank you. Thank you. If there's no Council

1105
01:09:03,291 --> 01:09:07,931
Manley. Yeah. I'm just, uh, I have some concerns around,

1106
01:09:07,931 --> 01:09:11,771
um, telecom lamb Aboriginal friendship centre not being included in

1107
01:09:11,792 --> 01:09:15,291
this list. And I, I would note that in their

1108
01:09:15,291 --> 01:09:19,531
application, they identify that they have applied for funding BC

1109
01:09:19,531 --> 01:09:23,531
housing has abandoned a whole bunch of organisations. They've abandoned

1110
01:09:23,712 --> 01:09:25,931
a whole bunch of people. This is a really important

1111
01:09:26,432 --> 01:09:29,991
agency that the looks out for people on the, you

1112
01:09:29,991 --> 01:09:36,578
know, looks out for indigenous youth. In this case, you

1113
01:09:36,578 --> 01:09:39,218
know, indigenous young women between the ages of 17 and

1114
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:44,180
29. Who've experienced violence and they're trying to read, you

1115
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,600
know, some of whom are trying to regain and retain

1116
01:09:46,621 --> 01:09:50,920
legal custody of their children. Um, I understand we have

1117
01:09:50,941 --> 01:09:55,320
rules. That they have to have active funding or operating

1118
01:09:55,421 --> 01:09:58,200
agreement with PC housing or another government agency. But I

1119
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,120
just feel like the BC government is abandoning organisations at

1120
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,840
this time. And I'd hate to see an organisation like

1121
01:10:04,861 --> 01:10:09,988
this, uh, be punished because of it. And, um, you

1122
01:10:09,988 --> 01:10:12,868
know, in their application, they do identify that this is

1123
01:10:12,868 --> 01:10:18,068
the case. Um, so I, I would like to see

1124
01:10:18,409 --> 01:10:22,048
us make, make, uh, an exception to the rule, uh,

1125
01:10:22,329 --> 01:10:26,468
in this particular case. I know telecom laylum has a

1126
01:10:26,569 --> 01:10:30,068
youth safe house. They have youth and elder housing. They've

1127
01:10:30,068 --> 01:10:33,988
got great projects. Uh, they've got, um, housing for young

1128
01:10:34,028 --> 01:10:36,708
moms. And now this housing, I think should be included

1129
01:10:36,809 --> 01:10:41,700
in this tax exemption process. So if we're going to

1130
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:44,860
have a motion, or, you know, maybe a staff can

1131
01:10:45,681 --> 01:10:47,660
weigh in on this, but I might ask for an

1132
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:52,436
exemption and emotion. Thank you. Is through your worship Councillor

1133
01:10:52,436 --> 01:10:55,476
Manley if we might let Miss Mercer speak to some

1134
01:10:55,516 --> 01:11:00,356
of the unintended consequences. You do have the discretion to

1135
01:11:00,537 --> 01:11:04,993
amend anything like within your policy. And staff did evaluate

1136
01:11:05,494 --> 01:11:08,513
telecom laylimbs based on the policy, but maybe Ms. Mercilite

1137
01:11:08,534 --> 01:11:12,193
might like a few moments to outline some of the

1138
01:11:12,193 --> 01:11:14,273
implications. And then you can go from there. Thank you.

1139
01:11:14,614 --> 01:11:18,661
Thank you. Ms. Mercer, please. Thank you your worship through

1140
01:11:18,701 --> 01:11:22,021
to Councillor Manley. So I think it was two years

1141
01:11:22,021 --> 01:11:27,461
ago we had the criteria up in front of council.

1142
01:11:27,461 --> 01:11:30,501
And that was the decision at that time was to

1143
01:11:30,501 --> 01:11:32,741
make the policy the way it is. So since that

1144
01:11:32,781 --> 01:11:38,661
time we have turned down other organisations, um, because they

1145
01:11:38,701 --> 01:11:41,701
didn't meet this criteria. And I can't comment whether they

1146
01:11:41,741 --> 01:11:46,241
are more worthy or less worthy than this organisation. But

1147
01:11:46,282 --> 01:11:49,541
kind of the unintended consequences is if you do it

1148
01:11:49,581 --> 01:11:51,861
for this one, I'm going to guess that you're going

1149
01:11:51,861 --> 01:11:54,821
to have a lineup at the podium for other ones.

1150
01:11:54,821 --> 01:11:59,772
But that is ultimately council's decision to do that. Um.

1151
01:12:01,443 --> 01:12:04,942
Staff can add some additional comments to that. Ms. Bagan

1152
01:12:05,523 --> 01:12:07,902
through the mayor to Councillor Manley. So I did speak

1153
01:12:07,902 --> 01:12:11,662
with the applicant today. And as you confirmed, uh, they

1154
01:12:11,662 --> 01:12:14,598
were not successful receiving the funding from BC housing. We

1155
01:12:14,619 --> 01:12:17,078
did look at when we amended the policy to include

1156
01:12:17,259 --> 01:12:20,118
non - market housing, the implications, um, financially for the

1157
01:12:20,158 --> 01:12:23,478
city, uh, to include a broader range of non -

1158
01:12:23,478 --> 01:12:26,998
market housing. And there was significant financial implications. Um, however,

1159
01:12:27,419 --> 01:12:29,778
uh, having spoken with the applicant, this is, you know,

1160
01:12:30,299 --> 01:12:33,878
considerable hardship for them. However, just like I mentioned in

1161
01:12:33,878 --> 01:12:36,918
the report, there is the option that he did discuss

1162
01:12:36,918 --> 01:12:39,478
with the applicant that if they are willing to enter

1163
01:12:39,499 --> 01:12:43,798
into a housing agreement, uh, with a city, um, regarding,

1164
01:12:43,798 --> 01:12:47,878
uh, their, uh, program that they offer, which will then,

1165
01:12:47,878 --> 01:12:49,398
you know, confirm for the city that they are providing

1166
01:12:49,739 --> 01:12:52,998
affordable housing for young women, uh, we can then work

1167
01:12:53,038 --> 01:12:56,518
with BC assessment, uh, to reduce the assessed value of

1168
01:12:56,518 --> 01:13:00,158
their property as they would be classified supportive housing, as

1169
01:13:00,158 --> 01:13:01,698
long as you need BC assessments great to hear. And

1170
01:13:01,698 --> 01:13:03,558
they were open to that, uh, option when I spoke

1171
01:13:03,558 --> 01:13:06,428
with them. Thank you for that. Would they be able

1172
01:13:06,428 --> 01:13:11,491
to then come back to us for tax exemption. I

1173
01:13:11,531 --> 01:13:14,191
believe that tax assumption would go directly to BCSSment. And

1174
01:13:14,191 --> 01:13:18,611
they would be valued at two dollars for the land,

1175
01:13:18,611 --> 01:13:21,811
which is actually, for understanding better than what we could

1176
01:13:21,851 --> 01:13:25,251
offer through the Permissive Tax Exemption policy. Okay. I appreciate

1177
01:13:25,352 --> 01:13:27,971
that. I appreciate the explanation to you. I remember the

1178
01:13:28,011 --> 01:13:32,051
discussion that there are a lot of, uh, housing units

1179
01:13:32,072 --> 01:13:36,691
around the community. I just really understand the work that

1180
01:13:36,712 --> 01:13:38,451
they're doing at telecom lay them. I appreciate what they

1181
01:13:38,451 --> 01:13:41,011
do. And I'm, I'm happy to hear that staff are

1182
01:13:41,011 --> 01:13:44,541
working with them. Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor

1183
01:13:44,581 --> 01:13:47,261
Armstrong. Thanks to Councillor Manley for doing that. And if

1184
01:13:47,301 --> 01:13:51,042
the speakers, I'd like to move the recommendation. And a

1185
01:13:51,042 --> 01:13:57,848
secondaire. Councillor Eastmer. Any discussion. Councillor Geselbrock. Thanks. Yeah. I

1186
01:13:57,848 --> 01:14:02,088
mean, I think our, our policies just, um, seeing the

1187
01:14:02,189 --> 01:14:05,688
Vancouver Island Real Estate Board, looking for a tax exemption

1188
01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:09,128
of, you know, for 27, 000 dollars and revenues these

1189
01:14:09,149 --> 01:14:11,848
association. I'm not entirely clear sort of the scope of

1190
01:14:12,589 --> 01:14:14,968
public benefit. I do understand some work that they do.

1191
01:14:14,968 --> 01:14:18,008
But I also understand that it is an advocacy and

1192
01:14:18,008 --> 01:14:22,008
work for a professional group. And I'm curious, like we're

1193
01:14:22,008 --> 01:14:25,928
so broad that, you know, the lawyers association and the

1194
01:14:25,928 --> 01:14:29,208
different groups, you know, coming that do provide some professional

1195
01:14:30,109 --> 01:14:34,728
guidance, um, but also, uh, just leads it open to

1196
01:14:34,768 --> 01:14:36,648
a whole lot of other people applying. That may not

1197
01:14:36,688 --> 01:14:39,768
necessarily meet what I originally thought with, you know, community

1198
01:14:39,808 --> 01:14:43,608
service, uh, nonprofits. And so I can't support the permissive

1199
01:14:43,648 --> 01:14:46,888
tax exemption at this time for BYUREP. So I'll be

1200
01:14:46,909 --> 01:14:50,701
voting, not in favor. Thank you. Thank you very much.

1201
01:14:52,962 --> 01:14:56,830
Councillor Armstrong. Ciri Adam then so that he can vote

1202
01:14:56,830 --> 01:15:02,803
for the other two. We want to vote on everyone

1203
01:15:02,824 --> 01:15:08,221
separately. Is that the will of Council. What are the

1204
01:15:08,221 --> 01:15:11,591
ones. You want to see everyone's in. Three. All right.

1205
01:15:11,591 --> 01:15:15,431
So in terms of the awarding or the exclusions or

1206
01:15:15,431 --> 01:15:19,036
both. Of the whole motion is on the floor your

1207
01:15:19,076 --> 01:15:20,876
worship as far as I understand. So we could go

1208
01:15:20,916 --> 01:15:24,636
through them, Sirri Adam. All right. So, uh, the motion

1209
01:15:25,537 --> 01:15:28,956
someone cares to make it with, well, with Notion's been

1210
01:15:28,996 --> 01:15:31,419
made. Yeah. So you can just download respect to the

1211
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,899
bank crown and real estate board. All those in favor.

1212
01:15:35,799 --> 01:15:42,913
Councillor Armstrong Eastmere Hemmons. Bear Crow, Councillor Thorpe, Council Perino.

1213
01:15:44,604 --> 01:15:53,617
Those opposed. Councillor Geselbrock, Councillor. Vancouver Real Estate Board, that

1214
01:15:53,617 --> 01:15:58,291
exception. Here at Sir Adam, yes. Opposed or in favor.

1215
01:15:59,162 --> 01:16:02,421
Opposed and Councillor Manley motion carries. Thank you. The next

1216
01:16:02,421 --> 01:16:09,067
is the name we use services. Well, it's, it's on

1217
01:16:09,067 --> 01:16:15,247
the floor. Those in favor. Any opposed, none motion carries.

1218
01:16:15,247 --> 01:16:18,816
And the fraternal order of eagles. Those in favor. Any

1219
01:16:18,837 --> 01:16:22,962
opposed motion carries. You don't have to move the rest,

1220
01:16:22,962 --> 01:16:25,842
Seriotum, if council is in favor of just moving the

1221
01:16:25,882 --> 01:16:29,122
entirety or voting on the entirety has already been moved.

1222
01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:35,762
Are we okay? Is a group with B? Yes. All

1223
01:16:35,802 --> 01:16:39,922
those in favor of the exclusion. Thank you. Those opposed.

1224
01:16:39,922 --> 01:16:42,722
None motion carries. Thank you very much, staff. Appreciate this.

1225
01:16:44,025 --> 01:16:47,524
The next is the British Columbia Local Government Climate Action

1226
01:16:47,705 --> 01:16:52,334
Program Future Funding, Mr. Holm, please. Thank you, Worship. This

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01:16:52,355 --> 01:16:57,534
is just an update. And I guess opportunity for Council

1228
01:16:57,635 --> 01:17:01,614
to become aware of and potentially take some advocacy on

1229
01:17:02,595 --> 01:17:08,254
potential changes to the climate action funding that local governments

1230
01:17:08,294 --> 01:17:11,854
have received. And I'm going to turn over to Ting

1231
01:17:11,854 --> 01:17:16,094
Pan, manager of Sustainability to give a brief overview of

1232
01:17:16,094 --> 01:17:20,131
this. Thank you. Good evening. Welcome. Please, the floor is

1233
01:17:20,131 --> 01:17:26,033
yours. Thank you. Good evening. So, um, the staff has

1234
01:17:26,054 --> 01:17:30,753
learned that the local government climate action program has not

1235
01:17:30,774 --> 01:17:35,373
been renewed. And, uh, we would like to, you know,

1236
01:17:36,214 --> 01:17:39,553
recommend Council to advocate to the provincial government to maintain

1237
01:17:40,454 --> 01:17:46,993
this important funding beyond 2027. And Mr. Stewart and Ms.

1238
01:17:47,033 --> 01:17:50,193
Brinkman has done an excellent job summarizing. And the background

1239
01:17:50,774 --> 01:17:53,233
of this funding. And so I just want to briefly

1240
01:17:53,974 --> 01:17:59,153
provide a little bit more context that these local government

1241
01:17:59,814 --> 01:18:03,713
climate action program since its inception over the last five

1242
01:18:03,734 --> 01:18:10,913
years has provided about, um, six million dollars in funding

1243
01:18:10,934 --> 01:18:16,173
our climate action. And under its previous, um, program, uh,

1244
01:18:16,374 --> 01:18:20,993
The Climate Action Revenue Incentive Program or CAREP. It provided

1245
01:18:21,014 --> 01:18:26,333
the city around 1. 4 million dollars. So altogether, um,

1246
01:18:27,174 --> 01:18:29,633
with the combined total is around a 3 million dollars

1247
01:18:30,694 --> 01:18:35,709
for cities climate actions. And so what really set this

1248
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:41,629
program apart is one, there is no upfront investment to

1249
01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:47,949
secure the grant. It's accodable, um, distribution. And that means,

1250
01:18:47,949 --> 01:18:50,589
um, this is about the only grant that TEM staff

1251
01:18:50,629 --> 01:18:52,989
doesn't have to invest a lot of time to prepare

1252
01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:56,909
applications, um, and, um, it is not a competitive a

1253
01:18:56,909 --> 01:19:00,749
process. Um, so this saves a huge amount of investment

1254
01:19:01,010 --> 01:19:03,550
on staff resources. Um, and the second of all is

1255
01:19:04,051 --> 01:19:08,270
extremely flexible. It doesn't restrict on your spending whether it's

1256
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:14,270
on capital or on operational expenses. And you can also,

1257
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:18,590
uh, use it to leverage other external funding. And the

1258
01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:21,710
local governments are free to spend it as they see

1259
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:27,790
fit for their own purposes. So I think to summarize

1260
01:19:28,211 --> 01:19:31,450
this is really without it continue. It will be, um,

1261
01:19:31,811 --> 01:19:36,670
placing more burden on city resources to complete future climate

1262
01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:42,813
action. Thank you very much. Question, if I may. Thank

1263
01:19:42,813 --> 01:19:46,586
you. You worship a very quick question. Appreciate the support.

1264
01:19:46,586 --> 01:19:48,986
So if I understand this correctly, then all of the

1265
01:19:49,026 --> 01:19:51,226
funding will be cut. Is that correct? Or am I

1266
01:19:51,266 --> 01:19:54,997
misreading it. Tell me I'm misreading it because I want

1267
01:19:54,997 --> 01:19:56,917
to make sure we still get some funding, especially for

1268
01:19:56,917 --> 01:20:00,891
the programs that we're doing. So your worship. So as

1269
01:20:00,912 --> 01:20:05,851
of now, we don't really know beyond 2027 if there

1270
01:20:05,872 --> 01:20:09,131
will be any funding coming from this program. So your

1271
01:20:09,131 --> 01:20:12,011
idea then is to do, um, advocacy at this stage

1272
01:20:12,432 --> 01:20:17,081
to have it continue on past 2027. Okay. That's correct.

1273
01:20:17,342 --> 01:20:20,786
Thank you so much. Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. I'd like

1274
01:20:20,786 --> 01:20:23,186
to move the recommendation as I think this is highly

1275
01:20:23,226 --> 01:20:30,128
needed. Second Councillor Hemings. Any discussion? Not surprising. Seeing none,

1276
01:20:30,128 --> 01:20:34,279
all those in favor. Any opposed. I've never seen a

1277
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:38,876
controversial ask the province for money. Uh, the next is

1278
01:20:39,297 --> 01:20:44,673
C emissions intensive heavy industry uses. Mr. Holm, please. Thank

1279
01:20:44,673 --> 01:20:50,018
you, your worship. So November, um, of 2025, uh, Council

1280
01:20:50,359 --> 01:20:53,378
provided direction to staff to report back on options to

1281
01:20:53,959 --> 01:20:59,458
exclude heavy, um, sorry, emissions intensive, heavy industry within the

1282
01:20:59,498 --> 01:21:04,578
city, specifically identified in the motion where waste energy incinerators.

1283
01:21:05,084 --> 01:21:10,343
Uh, chemical plants, thermal electrical generators, petroleum refineries and LNG

1284
01:21:10,604 --> 01:21:16,082
export facilities. Um, uh, staff was undertaken a review of,

1285
01:21:16,082 --> 01:21:19,922
um, a number of different factors, including jurisdiction with respect

1286
01:21:19,943 --> 01:21:24,082
to air quality. So looking at, uh, what the cities

1287
01:21:24,082 --> 01:21:27,042
jurisdictional authority is, uh, and that of senior levels of

1288
01:21:27,082 --> 01:21:32,192
government. Looking at a city plan policy related city plan

1289
01:21:32,293 --> 01:21:36,730
being the official community plan. Zoning bylaw as it applies

1290
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:41,610
to the identified uses in the motion. Also review of

1291
01:21:41,791 --> 01:21:46,250
business license records to identify whether or not any existing

1292
01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:53,061
businesses. Were operating under business license as a principle use.

1293
01:21:53,061 --> 01:21:55,781
One of the listed uses. So not necessarily that wouldn't

1294
01:21:55,781 --> 01:21:59,221
necessarily, um, get at whether or not there were accessory

1295
01:21:59,261 --> 01:22:04,064
uses that could fit within the definitions. Uh, but, uh,

1296
01:22:04,265 --> 01:22:08,164
specifically whether or not, um, any businesses were operating as

1297
01:22:08,204 --> 01:22:12,604
a principal permitted use, uh, also undertook jurisdictional scan. So

1298
01:22:12,604 --> 01:22:17,044
looking at other local governments, uh, and, um, identifying how,

1299
01:22:17,044 --> 01:22:23,924
uh, some of those comparable communities were addressing similar uses

1300
01:22:23,945 --> 01:22:29,469
through their land use regulatory provisions. Um, so with respect,

1301
01:22:29,469 --> 01:22:33,505
I'll just quickly highlight some of the findings. So city

1302
01:22:33,505 --> 01:22:36,865
plan and just a bit of a context city plan,

1303
01:22:36,865 --> 01:22:41,970
the official community plan has two designations for industry. Light

1304
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:45,792
industrial lands. And then, uh, industrial lands, um, there's a

1305
01:22:45,893 --> 01:22:50,192
map attached to the report that identifies the designated industrial

1306
01:22:50,232 --> 01:22:54,752
lands, which are the lands on which the types of

1307
01:22:55,093 --> 01:22:59,506
uses identified in the motion could be supported. Um, as

1308
01:22:59,607 --> 01:23:03,666
well, uh, we looked at staff looked at 2020 land

1309
01:23:03,666 --> 01:23:07,826
inventory and capacity analysis that was, uh, supporting background work

1310
01:23:08,007 --> 01:23:12,399
to city plan and supported the land use designations. Uh,

1311
01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:16,479
within city plan, um, that were intended to support the

1312
01:23:16,519 --> 01:23:20,399
city's future industrial land needs also looked at, um, recognising

1313
01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:22,959
this is a bit of a data document, but 2013

1314
01:23:23,860 --> 01:23:29,359
regional district of Nanaimo Industrial Land Supply and demand study

1315
01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:34,959
also understanding currently that, uh, the Regional District of Naimo

1316
01:23:35,220 --> 01:23:39,439
board is considering, um, uh, potentially, um, uh, terms of

1317
01:23:39,460 --> 01:23:44,479
reference for undertaken and updated study along the lines to

1318
01:23:44,519 --> 01:23:48,159
replace or update the 2013 study looking at industrial and

1319
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:53,759
commercial and employment lands more broadly. Understand that's for consideration

1320
01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:57,519
tomorrow at the, um, the RDN board table as well.

1321
01:23:57,519 --> 01:24:00,719
We looked at staff, looked at the zoning bylaw, identifying

1322
01:24:00,759 --> 01:24:06,159
that, um, the I4, the heavy industrial and, uh, W4

1323
01:24:07,220 --> 01:24:13,692
waterfront for zone would support those types of uses. Uh,

1324
01:24:13,793 --> 01:24:17,234
could support those types of uses. Looking at the definition

1325
01:24:17,274 --> 01:24:19,714
of industry that the city has. It's quite a broad

1326
01:24:19,735 --> 01:24:24,914
definition. Uh, that does allow for, uh, some of these,

1327
01:24:24,914 --> 01:24:27,874
some of the, um, what we're identified as emissions intensive

1328
01:24:28,215 --> 01:24:32,514
heavy industry uses by council in the November 2025 motion.

1329
01:24:33,646 --> 01:24:38,345
Uh, and the jurisdictional scan looked at 11 different jurisdictions,

1330
01:24:38,345 --> 01:24:42,645
uh, how they regulated these types of uses. And, uh,

1331
01:24:43,486 --> 01:24:46,265
can go into details, Christine Mays, the author of the

1332
01:24:46,265 --> 01:24:48,345
report, um, did the researchers here. We can talk about

1333
01:24:48,526 --> 01:24:53,225
specifics if you'd like, but, um, general trend amongst the

1334
01:24:53,406 --> 01:24:59,705
jurisdictions was for broader, more permissive rather than more specific

1335
01:25:00,286 --> 01:25:03,465
regulations. So actually going sort of in the other direction

1336
01:25:03,646 --> 01:25:08,665
to more broadly allow for, uh, industrial uses, uh, we

1337
01:25:08,665 --> 01:25:10,985
can touch on, um, some of the details if you'd

1338
01:25:10,985 --> 01:25:15,625
like. A number of options are presented in the report.

1339
01:25:15,625 --> 01:25:18,025
I'll just kind of quickly highlight what they are. So,

1340
01:25:18,025 --> 01:25:22,985
uh, option number one. We'll look at prohibiting some of

1341
01:25:23,086 --> 01:25:28,345
the number of the uses petroleum refinery LNG export facility

1342
01:25:28,446 --> 01:25:34,165
and waste to energy facilities as principal uses within, uh,

1343
01:25:34,165 --> 01:25:37,545
within the city. Uh, those are identified as, um, I

1344
01:25:37,545 --> 01:25:44,825
guess they were identified as clearly likely heavy emissions uses

1345
01:25:44,846 --> 01:25:51,465
that are emissions intensive uses. Uh, very, I guess less

1346
01:25:51,566 --> 01:25:54,185
potential for if council were to take this route for

1347
01:25:54,286 --> 01:25:58,034
unintended consequences. Um, with respect to some of the other

1348
01:25:58,135 --> 01:26:01,714
uses. So, uh, number one is sort of a limited,

1349
01:26:01,714 --> 01:26:06,834
limiting prohibiting a limited set of the uses identified. Option

1350
01:26:06,834 --> 01:26:11,474
number two is to bring forward amendments that would prohibit

1351
01:26:11,895 --> 01:26:15,154
the list of uses identified. So that's waste energy incinerators

1352
01:26:15,335 --> 01:26:20,826
chemical plants. Thermal electrical generators, petroleum refineries and LNG export

1353
01:26:20,847 --> 01:26:25,813
facilities. So to prohibit those as principal permitted uses, uh,

1354
01:26:26,094 --> 01:26:30,953
there could still be opportunity for, um, accessory use. Some

1355
01:26:30,953 --> 01:26:36,877
of the industries do have accessory supportive uses. That rely

1356
01:26:36,877 --> 01:26:41,213
on that are critical to their operation. Uh, number three,

1357
01:26:41,253 --> 01:26:45,053
option number three is to look at a comprehensive review

1358
01:26:45,154 --> 01:26:51,433
of heavy industrial uses through the zoning boylaw update. And

1359
01:26:51,433 --> 01:26:54,973
that would look at, um, potentially a focused review of

1360
01:26:55,154 --> 01:26:59,048
industrial uses through the zoning vial update. Timing could be,

1361
01:26:59,048 --> 01:27:02,728
um, good with, if there is more information coming out

1362
01:27:02,728 --> 01:27:08,008
of the regional district doing additional studies on, on regional

1363
01:27:08,008 --> 01:27:11,688
needs as well, um, opportunity to engage more fully with

1364
01:27:12,909 --> 01:27:16,968
or fully, uh, stakeholders and interested parties. Um, of course

1365
01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:20,488
number four is as council as always, um, able to

1366
01:27:20,509 --> 01:27:23,893
do is to provide alternative direction. So. Happy to take

1367
01:27:23,994 --> 01:27:28,453
questions. Hopefully this provides some information and helps Council consider

1368
01:27:28,554 --> 01:27:32,828
different options. Thanks. Thank you very much. Questions for the

1369
01:27:32,929 --> 01:27:36,348
staff before we get to the delegations Councillor Armstrong. Thank

1370
01:27:36,348 --> 01:27:39,068
you. I'm going to refer to, um, you have table

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01:27:39,089 --> 01:27:41,548
one and then two paragraphs down. It says the city's

1372
01:27:41,548 --> 01:27:44,603
currently in the process of reviewing the zoning bylaw. As

1373
01:27:44,643 --> 01:27:47,342
part of their update. And as part of the update,

1374
01:27:47,342 --> 01:27:49,902
staff will complete a comprehensive review of heavy industrial uses

1375
01:27:49,942 --> 01:27:53,422
for cities industrial zones, which provide an opportunity to rebus

1376
01:27:53,422 --> 01:27:55,742
practices. So why are we doing this now if this

1377
01:27:55,782 --> 01:27:59,662
review hasn't been completed yet? Because, you know, my concern

1378
01:27:59,662 --> 01:28:03,662
is there's been no engagement with SFN or industry or

1379
01:28:03,763 --> 01:28:07,102
anomal prosperity corporation. Like I don't have enough information yet

1380
01:28:07,123 --> 01:28:09,502
to make an informed decision. And then I'll ask a

1381
01:28:09,542 --> 01:28:13,104
second question after. I can speak to that through your

1382
01:28:13,144 --> 01:28:16,944
worship to Council Armstrong. So, uh, specific direction from Council

1383
01:28:17,205 --> 01:28:23,271
on emissions intensive, uh, heavy industry. Is what, um, what

1384
01:28:23,271 --> 01:28:29,870
was requested options to prohibit certain uses. That were considered

1385
01:28:30,931 --> 01:28:36,510
emissions intensive heavy industry. The zoning bylaw would have not

1386
01:28:36,611 --> 01:28:42,590
necessarily focused on those uses. But as part of the

1387
01:28:42,611 --> 01:28:47,130
zoning bylaw update, we would look at alignment of, um,

1388
01:28:47,891 --> 01:28:53,881
of industrial uses with city plan with the OCP. In

1389
01:28:53,921 --> 01:28:56,281
follow up, please. And then my second question's on gasification,

1390
01:28:56,281 --> 01:28:59,481
which is different than incineration. Uh, these conversations are happening

1391
01:28:59,582 --> 01:29:02,361
with, uh, the RDN waste because we know our landfill's

1392
01:29:02,361 --> 01:29:04,521
going to die out shortly. So how would that impact

1393
01:29:04,622 --> 01:29:07,881
that would gasification fall under incineration since they're two separate

1394
01:29:07,902 --> 01:29:13,813
things. I think, um, that would depend on how, um,

1395
01:29:14,814 --> 01:29:17,753
it would depend on how ways to energy incineration is

1396
01:29:17,753 --> 01:29:22,712
defined. Would be my answer. But, um, it's at this

1397
01:29:22,712 --> 01:29:26,632
point, uh, there's not been, um, is not a definition

1398
01:29:26,733 --> 01:29:29,352
hasn't been developed. And that's something that could be considered.

1399
01:29:29,657 --> 01:29:34,196
Through, uh, engagement with, um, stakeholders like you're suggesting. I'll

1400
01:29:34,236 --> 01:29:37,476
wait till after the delegations for Council discussion. Thanks. Thank

1401
01:29:37,476 --> 01:29:43,176
you, Councillor Manley. Thank you, worship. This, if there was

1402
01:29:43,216 --> 01:29:46,856
a bylaw change, it wouldn't permanently prohibit any of these

1403
01:29:47,117 --> 01:29:52,216
uses. It would only require site - specific zoning, which

1404
01:29:52,216 --> 01:29:54,936
would be staff reports, public hearings, and a vote by

1405
01:29:55,117 --> 01:30:00,615
council. Is that correct? Three - year worship. Yes. I

1406
01:30:00,615 --> 01:30:05,895
mean, Council would have the ability to consider zoning amendments

1407
01:30:05,935 --> 01:30:13,151
to allow uses site specifically. If they were not permitted

1408
01:30:13,151 --> 01:30:19,042
within, uh, within the zoning. Right. So just adds a

1409
01:30:19,082 --> 01:30:23,762
democratic process to these kind of proposals. Um, this bylaw

1410
01:30:23,802 --> 01:30:33,743
change, it won't affect HRMAC Pacific's current operations. Would. Maybe,

1411
01:30:33,743 --> 01:30:36,063
Ms. Mays can speak to that, um, as far as

1412
01:30:36,644 --> 01:30:42,443
I understand, uh, with respect to principal permitted uses, uh,

1413
01:30:42,964 --> 01:30:45,743
no, obviously if there were, um, and I'll let Miss

1414
01:30:45,764 --> 01:30:48,703
Mees expand on that. But, um, obviously if there were,

1415
01:30:48,703 --> 01:30:52,923
um, zoning, uh, amendment considered there'd be opportunity for, uh,

1416
01:30:53,764 --> 01:30:57,503
CORMAC and they can provide, um, commentary at any time

1417
01:30:57,543 --> 01:31:00,863
through council, two council. But if there is a zoning

1418
01:31:01,924 --> 01:31:06,955
bylaw amendment considered, we'd expect public hearing process. And there'll

1419
01:31:06,955 --> 01:31:12,315
be opportunity through that process to get further input on

1420
01:31:12,315 --> 01:31:14,935
that as well. But Ms. Mays can provide some, um,

1421
01:31:15,136 --> 01:31:20,075
additional details. What I'm asking is it's an existing use.

1422
01:31:20,075 --> 01:31:23,835
In my understanding is that an existing use cannot be,

1423
01:31:23,875 --> 01:31:28,795
cannot be changed through bylawds. It's grandfathered in. Thank you.

1424
01:31:28,835 --> 01:31:31,115
Thanks for the clarity and through your worship to Councillor

1425
01:31:31,155 --> 01:31:36,395
Manley. So I think you're speaking to protected lawful nonconforming

1426
01:31:36,576 --> 01:31:40,955
in the event that the bylaw created a lawful nonconforming

1427
01:31:40,995 --> 01:31:44,875
situation. There are provisions within the local government act to

1428
01:31:44,915 --> 01:31:49,955
protect those uses continuing. So there are implications there, of

1429
01:31:49,955 --> 01:31:52,875
course, but there are provisions in the local government Act.

1430
01:31:52,875 --> 01:31:55,575
Okay. So it wouldn't affect their current uses. And, um,

1431
01:31:55,936 --> 01:31:59,755
I assume that that would also include, uh, the biomass

1432
01:31:59,936 --> 01:32:04,455
cogeneration facility. They use hog fuel would waste byproducts. And

1433
01:32:04,576 --> 01:32:08,755
that would still be considered an accessory use, even if

1434
01:32:08,755 --> 01:32:13,755
they expanded, um, their biomass cogeneration facility.

1435
01:32:18,531 --> 01:32:22,270
Through the chair to Councillor Manley. With respect to HARMAC,

1436
01:32:22,270 --> 01:32:24,670
we have a specific use that's permitted in the I4

1437
01:32:24,710 --> 01:32:27,630
zone. That's wood and paper processing. Um, which is what

1438
01:32:28,131 --> 01:32:31,470
HRMAC would fall under currently. Um, with cogeneration, that is

1439
01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:33,710
one thing that we identified in the staff report is

1440
01:32:33,811 --> 01:32:37,790
the challenge with, um, uh, removing it outright as a

1441
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:41,790
permitted use is that it wouldn't cover accessory uses. So,

1442
01:32:41,790 --> 01:32:44,830
uh, in the case of HERMAC generating power for, for

1443
01:32:44,830 --> 01:32:50,110
other uses, they're biomass side. So it is accessory to

1444
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:55,926
their wood and paper processing use. And it's already, um,

1445
01:32:56,367 --> 01:32:59,626
in operation. So it wouldn't be affected. Would an expansion

1446
01:32:59,626 --> 01:33:08,144
of that be affected. Mr. Holm, uh, three worship

1447
01:33:08,485 --> 01:33:13,984
provided, it wasn't a principal use. And it remained an

1448
01:33:14,024 --> 01:33:16,886
accessory use. Then I would say no. A lot of

1449
01:33:16,886 --> 01:33:18,726
it's going to come down to the details and what

1450
01:33:19,307 --> 01:33:23,606
their longer term plans are. But, uh, if it's an

1451
01:33:23,627 --> 01:33:28,566
accessory operation to the, uh, what was the definition again,

1452
01:33:28,587 --> 01:33:33,340
Christine. Um, thank you, Ms. Mays. Wood and paper processing.

1453
01:33:33,340 --> 01:33:36,140
If it's accessory to that, then no, then it wouldn't

1454
01:33:36,140 --> 01:33:39,740
be impacted if we were thoughtful and careful in the

1455
01:33:39,740 --> 01:33:43,740
way we defined waste energy. And we were sure not

1456
01:33:43,761 --> 01:33:49,740
to exclude that use as a co - generation as

1457
01:33:49,780 --> 01:33:53,518
an accessory use. Than it could be, could continue as

1458
01:33:53,939 --> 01:34:00,383
accessory to the wooden wooden paper processing use. But it

1459
01:34:00,383 --> 01:34:02,923
would not be able to, uh, exist as a, um,

1460
01:34:04,084 --> 01:34:09,547
principal permitted use. Okay. Thank you for that. Thank you.

1461
01:34:10,998 --> 01:34:13,697
No further questions for staff at this present time. We

1462
01:34:13,737 --> 01:34:17,066
do have, uh, six delegations. Uh, they'll each have five

1463
01:34:17,106 --> 01:34:20,266
minutes when you're introduced yourself for the record when you

1464
01:34:20,266 --> 01:34:22,906
come to the podium, uh, when the one minute left,

1465
01:34:23,087 --> 01:34:25,146
I'll advise you a few minutes left. And the first

1466
01:34:25,186 --> 01:34:34,736
delegation is Paul Chapman. Please. Uh, hello. My name is

1467
01:34:34,736 --> 01:34:37,536
Paul Chapman. I live in the old city neighbourhood in

1468
01:34:37,576 --> 01:34:40,846
St. Naok territory. Thank you for this opportunity to speak

1469
01:34:40,846 --> 01:34:42,446
with you tonight. I'm going to be speaking about the

1470
01:34:42,867 --> 01:34:47,784
virtues of site - specific zoning. For certain industrial uses

1471
01:34:47,784 --> 01:34:52,190
that are currently allowed under our zoning bylaw. I think

1472
01:34:52,371 --> 01:34:55,790
there will be people after me, delegations after me that

1473
01:34:56,051 --> 01:35:01,310
will be speaking to some of the real world impacts

1474
01:35:01,411 --> 01:35:05,119
and implications of being permissive. In what you include in

1475
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:07,950
your industrial zoning. So I'm going to just speak about

1476
01:35:07,971 --> 01:35:14,175
the opportunities that, um, site specific zoning offers. And I

1477
01:35:14,175 --> 01:35:18,815
think the primary one is that it allows the voice

1478
01:35:18,855 --> 01:35:23,519
of community concern through council to be considered. For these

1479
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:26,719
impactful industries. And when I'm saying impactful, I'm talking about

1480
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:32,473
heavy polluting industries. We don't have to reach back that

1481
01:35:32,574 --> 01:35:35,753
far. Do you remember the concerns around the data centre

1482
01:35:36,094 --> 01:35:38,633
at Wellington? We don't have to reach back that far

1483
01:35:38,894 --> 01:35:42,473
to remember the community concerns expressed around the possible expansion

1484
01:35:42,654 --> 01:35:45,873
of industrial zoning cable bay. We don't even have to

1485
01:35:45,873 --> 01:35:50,313
reach back that far to remember the community concern around

1486
01:35:50,494 --> 01:35:53,993
the waste energy facility that was proposed to import waste

1487
01:35:53,993 --> 01:36:00,744
from Vancouver for power generation. And, you know, how close,

1488
01:36:00,744 --> 01:36:02,984
how near that was to becoming part of our airshed

1489
01:36:03,165 --> 01:36:06,918
and a permanent way. Site - specific zoning isn't a

1490
01:36:06,958 --> 01:36:10,498
blanket ban on industry. It looks at the costs and

1491
01:36:10,498 --> 01:36:14,822
benefits. It can require rather than suggest best practices. And

1492
01:36:15,163 --> 01:36:19,382
it strengthens a social license between the industry and the

1493
01:36:19,382 --> 01:36:23,034
community. It can be, but it need not necessarily be

1494
01:36:23,135 --> 01:36:26,883
an opportunity for Council to say no. For proponents that

1495
01:36:27,144 --> 01:36:33,203
don't meet that social license. It doesn't mean you can't

1496
01:36:33,464 --> 01:36:36,723
consider the industry. It means you must consider the industry.

1497
01:36:38,263 --> 01:36:41,122
As Councillor Brown and others have previously pointed out, land

1498
01:36:41,122 --> 01:36:46,140
use is a purview of city council. And the Community

1499
01:36:46,161 --> 01:36:49,500
Voices heard at the incinerator protest and during the data

1500
01:36:49,521 --> 01:36:53,100
centre debate. And at the cable bay rezoning, public hearing

1501
01:36:53,140 --> 01:36:58,054
support the thoughtful consideration of site - specific zoning. I

1502
01:36:58,054 --> 01:37:01,254
think that Option 4 from the staff report is the

1503
01:37:01,254 --> 01:37:03,974
best one. And really it's about bringing in elements of

1504
01:37:04,014 --> 01:37:08,534
the other options to give you a way forward here.

1505
01:37:09,006 --> 01:37:13,065
So there's the options kind of in one and two

1506
01:37:13,566 --> 01:37:19,305
around the removal of certain industries from being permitted that

1507
01:37:19,305 --> 01:37:23,235
automatic permission under industrial zoning. And that's really the cautionary

1508
01:37:23,336 --> 01:37:28,755
principle as the other element of Option 3 where there's

1509
01:37:28,936 --> 01:37:33,517
a comprehensive review. And through that comprehensive review, you figure

1510
01:37:33,517 --> 01:37:35,997
out which ones are permanently removed and then become part

1511
01:37:36,037 --> 01:37:39,277
of site - specific zoning. And if there are ones

1512
01:37:39,317 --> 01:37:44,237
that are deemed to be not harmful to our airshed

1513
01:37:44,277 --> 01:37:46,397
to our watership, they can go back into the industrial

1514
01:37:46,418 --> 01:37:52,951
zoning. Um. So I thank you for your thoughtful consideration

1515
01:37:53,132 --> 01:37:59,977
of this. Thank you, Mr. Chapman. That was very brief.

1516
01:37:59,977 --> 01:38:02,457
Any questions for the delegation, Councillor Thorpe? Yes, I do

1517
01:38:02,478 --> 01:38:05,017
your worship. Thank you very much through you, FAM's Mr.

1518
01:38:05,057 --> 01:38:06,857
Chapman. Thank you. I just want to make sure I

1519
01:38:06,878 --> 01:38:09,817
heard you correctly because I'm not sure of what I

1520
01:38:09,857 --> 01:38:13,417
heard. And that was, you seem to be recommending option

1521
01:38:13,518 --> 01:38:17,626
four. An option four, in my agenda, simply says that

1522
01:38:17,807 --> 01:38:21,706
Council provides alternate direction. Yes. So that's why I suggested

1523
01:38:21,887 --> 01:38:25,226
elements of the other options that would be what you

1524
01:38:25,226 --> 01:38:29,866
like. What that direction to staff would be. Right. Thank

1525
01:38:29,866 --> 01:38:34,709
you very much. Thank you. Uh, the next is Erica

1526
01:38:34,970 --> 01:38:41,090
Frank by Azuma, I understand. Hi, indeed, yes. I presume

1527
01:38:41,130 --> 01:38:44,610
I'm audible invisible, yes? A good, good evening, Ms. Frank.

1528
01:38:44,610 --> 01:38:46,530
You are visible and we can hear you. You'll have

1529
01:38:46,631 --> 01:38:48,610
five minutes. If you can introduce yourself for the record

1530
01:38:48,871 --> 01:38:50,370
and I'll let you know where the minute left. Thank

1531
01:38:50,410 --> 01:38:55,163
you. Great. Thank you. Hello. I'm Dr. Erica Frank. I'm

1532
01:38:55,163 --> 01:38:59,183
a professor and physician at UBC and I'm speaking supportive

1533
01:38:59,284 --> 01:39:03,823
item 12C to create better accountability and clearer commitment to

1534
01:39:03,924 --> 01:39:09,503
preserving the substantial lures of Nanaimo's healthy ecosystems. I wear

1535
01:39:09,503 --> 01:39:12,783
another PET in addition to physician and professor that's useful

1536
01:39:12,804 --> 01:39:16,543
here too. As an elected city councillor for six years

1537
01:39:16,804 --> 01:39:21,823
at UBC's University neighbourhood association, I appreciate the needs that

1538
01:39:21,863 --> 01:39:25,423
you have to balance. I hope to encourage you to

1539
01:39:25,524 --> 01:39:31,183
move away from the notion of an anything goes heavy

1540
01:39:31,183 --> 01:39:36,223
industry zone with its assorted toxic gases and effluence from

1541
01:39:36,263 --> 01:39:40,863
the admissions. Intense heavy industry that's currently allowed in our

1542
01:39:40,884 --> 01:39:45,532
bylaws. I came to UBC in 2006 as the Canada

1543
01:39:45,553 --> 01:39:49,412
Research Chair and Preventive Medicine and Population Health. Pleased to

1544
01:39:49,412 --> 01:39:53,372
be part of BC's extraordinary health promoting ecosystem for both

1545
01:39:53,393 --> 01:39:56,652
humans and the environment. And that drew me to live

1546
01:39:56,652 --> 01:40:00,092
on the island and to buy land and plan to

1547
01:40:00,113 --> 01:40:03,692
settle in cedar. The remarkable ability we have to live

1548
01:40:03,953 --> 01:40:07,212
in a well - zoned wilderness at the doorway of

1549
01:40:07,553 --> 01:40:10,492
a gateway city like Nanaimo. That's why I wanted to

1550
01:40:10,532 --> 01:40:13,872
live here and contribute this to this community. And so

1551
01:40:13,872 --> 01:40:16,652
I don't want to stand passively by and allow these

1552
01:40:17,073 --> 01:40:22,172
irreplaceable natural health - promoting resources get spoiled by short

1553
01:40:22,193 --> 01:40:26,252
- sighted policies. I'm a specialist in preventive medicine and

1554
01:40:26,252 --> 01:40:31,212
was the Canadian Medical Association's 2016 nominee for the director

1555
01:40:31,473 --> 01:40:34,812
of the World Health Organisation. And it's clear to me

1556
01:40:35,233 --> 01:40:39,612
here locally that if Nanaimo wants to retain and enhance

1557
01:40:39,713 --> 01:40:43,932
its reputation as a healthy and desirable place to live,

1558
01:40:43,932 --> 01:40:48,732
that these recommendations that waste to energy incinerators, chemical plants,

1559
01:40:48,772 --> 01:40:55,932
thermal - energy generators, petroleum refineries and LNG export facilities.

1560
01:40:55,932 --> 01:40:59,372
Indeed, have little place in such an ecosystem along with

1561
01:40:59,473 --> 01:41:04,572
their toxic gases and effluence. In particular, this includes as

1562
01:41:04,673 --> 01:41:07,852
a familiar to council, I imagine by this time given

1563
01:41:08,113 --> 01:41:12,572
the many discussions you've had on incineration, uh, products of

1564
01:41:12,673 --> 01:41:18,892
combustion like VOC's volatile organic compounds like benzene that cause

1565
01:41:19,313 --> 01:41:24,092
respiratory and nervous system and renal and hepatic injury injuries

1566
01:41:24,132 --> 01:41:27,532
to our lungs, to our livers, to our kidneys and

1567
01:41:27,572 --> 01:41:31,372
to our nervous systems and that are also known carcinogens.

1568
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:36,149
The same is true of another product of combustion dioxins,

1569
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:41,589
which are carcinogens as well as endocrine and immune disruptors.

1570
01:41:41,589 --> 01:41:45,669
And when something as singingly inert and as innocent as

1571
01:41:45,709 --> 01:41:51,909
plastics are combusted, the resultant dioxins, the landscapes.

1572
01:41:56,085 --> 01:42:00,384
Landing on the fruits and directly and getting bioconcentrate in

1573
01:42:00,384 --> 01:42:04,544
the animals, um, that we eat both the terrestrial ones

1574
01:42:04,565 --> 01:42:09,304
and the aquatic ones. So I would submit in closing

1575
01:42:09,485 --> 01:42:14,664
that these recommendations form an extraordinary opportunity to maintain this

1576
01:42:14,664 --> 01:42:17,704
system, not to discard this chance to keep a truly

1577
01:42:18,045 --> 01:42:21,784
wild space, adjoining a substantial city, a space with environmental

1578
01:42:21,805 --> 01:42:26,824
health that supports human health. Such preventive medicine opportunities as

1579
01:42:26,824 --> 01:42:30,024
these are really rare in the world. It's what brought

1580
01:42:30,045 --> 01:42:33,384
me to Nanaimo and what I think makes it special

1581
01:42:33,965 --> 01:42:38,664
and attractive and providing extraordinary leadership. And so I encourage

1582
01:42:38,765 --> 01:42:43,224
the council to support these wise recommendations. Thank you. Thank

1583
01:42:43,224 --> 01:42:47,345
you very much. Questions Councillor Armstrong and then Councillor Manley.

1584
01:42:48,109 --> 01:42:50,248
Thank you very much. And I just wondered if you

1585
01:42:50,248 --> 01:42:54,088
could comment on the difference between gasification and incineration and

1586
01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:55,928
your experience. We see all of Europe and Asia going

1587
01:42:56,029 --> 01:42:59,688
towards gasification. Is there a big difference or do you

1588
01:42:59,728 --> 01:43:05,704
still share the same concerns about gasification as incineration. Um,

1589
01:43:06,685 --> 01:43:09,224
that actually is something that I can speak to having

1590
01:43:09,405 --> 01:43:16,104
been, um, on city council at UBC when we allowed

1591
01:43:17,005 --> 01:43:24,184
the, uh, bio - research, excuse me, the biofuel research

1592
01:43:26,525 --> 01:43:32,244
incineration facility and gasification facility to happen at UBC. Um,

1593
01:43:32,244 --> 01:43:37,064
I was responsible actually for making, giving the social license

1594
01:43:37,104 --> 01:43:41,364
to make sure that that was, um, properly monitored. Um,

1595
01:43:42,285 --> 01:43:50,264
there are, uh, different. And typically fewer issues with gasification

1596
01:43:50,304 --> 01:43:56,984
than within incineration. But, uh, it is not, uh, it

1597
01:43:57,024 --> 01:44:02,344
does not allow cart blanche. And the, um, the places

1598
01:44:02,365 --> 01:44:06,664
where it's been used for things like, um, gasification of

1599
01:44:07,085 --> 01:44:12,984
wood pulp like happens, um, at, at UBC and wood

1600
01:44:13,005 --> 01:44:17,464
chips and waste wood. That's a really clean stream with

1601
01:44:17,885 --> 01:44:21,624
no plastics in it, for example. That really make me

1602
01:44:21,645 --> 01:44:26,904
very confident that dioxins, for example, won't be an issue.

1603
01:44:26,904 --> 01:44:32,024
Um, if you're talking about gasification of less pure waste

1604
01:44:32,064 --> 01:44:35,624
streams, which this would be obviously, they're quite a number

1605
01:44:35,664 --> 01:44:40,069
of residual considerations for that as well. Thank you for

1606
01:44:40,109 --> 01:44:44,316
your time. Thank you, Councillor Manley. Thank you for your

1607
01:44:44,337 --> 01:44:48,076
presentation. And thank you for that information about gasification and

1608
01:44:48,076 --> 01:44:52,196
the difference between, um, regular garbage and biomass. I think

1609
01:44:52,196 --> 01:44:55,996
that's an important distinction. Um, you're a doctor and preventative

1610
01:44:56,097 --> 01:44:59,676
medicine. That's your area of expertise. You would say, would

1611
01:44:59,676 --> 01:45:03,356
you say that, uh, health care is more about more

1612
01:45:03,356 --> 01:45:05,916
than just, uh, bricks and mortar. It's about the environment

1613
01:45:05,956 --> 01:45:12,947
that we all live in. Yeah. At the, um, at

1614
01:45:12,968 --> 01:45:18,067
the cable bay hearing, um, in April where I submitted,

1615
01:45:18,067 --> 01:45:24,067
uh, written comments, the representative from HRMAC suggested that doctors

1616
01:45:24,107 --> 01:45:27,347
like me would want to come to Nanaimo to be

1617
01:45:27,347 --> 01:45:32,787
able to take care of a well employed population and

1618
01:45:33,048 --> 01:45:39,187
having worked in occupational health and safety. I, I am

1619
01:45:39,227 --> 01:45:43,027
a whole lot more interested in social determinants of health

1620
01:45:43,448 --> 01:45:50,754
in this extraordinary ecosystem that we've created and preserved. And.

1621
01:45:52,800 --> 01:46:00,299
Ability to have, uh, the medicine on social determinants of

1622
01:46:00,339 --> 01:46:05,259
health on environmental health. And the NIMO really is at

1623
01:46:05,299 --> 01:46:09,099
such a pivotal place and has such an extraordinary opportunity

1624
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:14,379
for leadership, um, that this seems like another place where

1625
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:18,539
we could really be a shining star in terms of

1626
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:26,219
attracting, um, both humans and, um, retaining an ecosystem with

1627
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:33,117
employers that want to provide this health promoting. System. Are

1628
01:46:33,138 --> 01:46:38,237
you aware of statistics around people who live close to

1629
01:46:38,338 --> 01:46:41,917
heavy arterial routes, uh, the life expectancy of people who

1630
01:46:42,018 --> 01:46:45,197
live, you know, perhaps near a freeway as opposed to

1631
01:46:45,197 --> 01:46:49,597
those who, uh, live farther away from, uh, sources of

1632
01:46:49,858 --> 01:46:56,170
emissions. Yeah. There are, um, I can't, I'm happy to

1633
01:46:56,191 --> 01:47:00,970
provide you with explicit data and follow if you'd like,

1634
01:47:00,970 --> 01:47:05,830
but, um, find particulates, um, such as happen from, um,

1635
01:47:06,431 --> 01:47:11,690
emissions both from transportation and also from stable sources. Those,

1636
01:47:11,690 --> 01:47:17,990
uh, those exacerbate worsen, uh, asthma, um, uh, these, uh,

1637
01:47:18,111 --> 01:47:21,930
many of these products, uh, create ground level ozone, which

1638
01:47:21,930 --> 01:47:28,010
also worsen asthma, um, as well as, uh, worsening other,

1639
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:34,241
um, pulmonary and cardiac conditions too. Thank you for your

1640
01:47:34,281 --> 01:47:39,441
presentation. Thank you very much, doctor. And I'm sorry, your

1641
01:47:39,441 --> 01:47:48,270
respiratory specialist, fair comment, yes. A respiratory specialist. Am I?

1642
01:47:48,291 --> 01:47:52,528
Yes. No, I'm a, I'm a board certified specialist in

1643
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:56,615
preventive medicine. Okay. Um, having said that, thank you for

1644
01:47:56,716 --> 01:48:01,415
confirming. Um, my understanding is among the most significant determinants

1645
01:48:01,415 --> 01:48:04,855
of health relate to poverty and isolation. Am I wrong

1646
01:48:04,956 --> 01:48:09,224
in saying that? Well, it's absolutely true. Yes. Thank you

1647
01:48:09,264 --> 01:48:14,319
very much. Any further questions for the delegation. Not seeing

1648
01:48:14,359 --> 01:48:18,959
any appreciate your attendance tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Uh,

1649
01:48:18,999 --> 01:48:23,541
the next delegation is Andrew and Alex Hodson Degen. Good

1650
01:48:23,581 --> 01:48:26,802
evening. Good evening. Reduce yourself for the record. His usual,

1651
01:48:26,802 --> 01:48:28,322
please. In five minutes and I'll let you know when

1652
01:48:28,322 --> 01:48:31,602
you have a minute left. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Um,

1653
01:48:32,183 --> 01:48:36,862
good evening. Mayor Council. My name is Andrew Dagen. I'm

1654
01:48:36,862 --> 01:48:43,538
a resident of Gabriela Island. In regards to heavy emitters,

1655
01:48:43,578 --> 01:48:48,684
burning the truth heavy air polluting industries. So this is

1656
01:48:48,705 --> 01:48:54,924
the Bernaby incinerator. It's currently under investigation for allegedly poisoning

1657
01:48:55,105 --> 01:49:01,884
its neighbourhood. Heavy air polluting industries, research has shown that

1658
01:49:02,225 --> 01:49:05,884
heavy air polluters, the mid toxic air pollutants, hazardous ash,

1659
01:49:05,884 --> 01:49:12,191
greenhouse gas emissions, particulate matter, sulfur, nitrogen, carbon dioxide. Volatile,

1660
01:49:12,191 --> 01:49:15,311
organic compounds and heavy metals in spite of modern controls

1661
01:49:15,572 --> 01:49:23,233
and industry assurances. Heavy air pollutants, many industries, as many

1662
01:49:23,233 --> 01:49:26,433
studies and reports highlight the dangerous related to toxic air

1663
01:49:26,534 --> 01:49:30,593
pollutants. I'm not going to read them all for you.

1664
01:49:30,593 --> 01:49:34,913
You're all literate here. Um, the synergistic effects of heavy

1665
01:49:35,014 --> 01:49:38,353
air pollutants synergism of heavy air pollutants refers to the

1666
01:49:38,353 --> 01:49:43,793
phenomenon where the combined simultaneous exposure to multiple pollutants such

1667
01:49:43,793 --> 01:49:48,593
as fine particular matter ozone sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides

1668
01:49:49,014 --> 01:49:54,902
produces adverse health effects. And environmental effects that are greater

1669
01:49:54,942 --> 01:49:59,564
than the sum of their individual damage. This interaction occurs

1670
01:50:00,145 --> 01:50:05,084
because pollutants can alter atmospheric chemistry and hunts particularly absorption

1671
01:50:05,825 --> 01:50:09,724
or trigger shared biological pathways in humans such as systemic

1672
01:50:09,745 --> 01:50:15,004
inflammation, oxidative stress, which are more damaging together than an

1673
01:50:15,004 --> 01:50:21,281
isolation. Synergistic toxicity amplifies health impact resulting in higher morbidity.

1674
01:50:21,428 --> 01:50:28,022
Rates. The sacrifice zone. World health British Society Ecologic Medicine,

1675
01:50:28,123 --> 01:50:31,622
ecology Otter One, many other organisations warned that living near

1676
01:50:31,883 --> 01:50:35,942
a heavy air polluter like an incinerator is dangerous. The

1677
01:50:36,363 --> 01:50:39,702
fallout area dependent on prevalent wind direction is called the

1678
01:50:39,742 --> 01:50:43,992
sacrifice zone. The closer you live to the centre, the

1679
01:50:43,992 --> 01:50:47,720
greater the health hazard. Eight out of 10 ugly industries

1680
01:50:48,061 --> 01:50:52,760
are located in low income or marginalized communities. And I

1681
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:57,480
would like to point out here that Gabriela Island and

1682
01:50:57,501 --> 01:51:02,040
Mudge Island are in the immediate sacrifice zone. And there

1683
01:51:02,141 --> 01:51:07,640
are many hundreds of homes that collect rainwater for their

1684
01:51:07,901 --> 01:51:17,147
potable drinking supply. The health effects. Primary environmental and health

1685
01:51:17,168 --> 01:51:21,507
impact of heavier polluting industry contribute to climate change. If

1686
01:51:21,507 --> 01:51:25,867
you're looking for funding, the great air quality form photochemical

1687
01:51:26,288 --> 01:51:30,827
smog as previously mentioned called severe health issues, including respiratory

1688
01:51:30,928 --> 01:51:36,481
diseases, cancers, cardiovascular and reproductive problems. Now I'm not going

1689
01:51:36,481 --> 01:51:43,068
to quote Dr. Ricker here and steal her thunder. She's

1690
01:51:43,108 --> 01:51:49,700
coming up next. Companies protect shareholders, not public health. The

1691
01:51:50,121 --> 01:51:53,220
court's globally recognised that citizens have a right to a

1692
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:58,660
healthy environment. Worldwide heavy air polluting companies are facing investigations

1693
01:51:58,921 --> 01:52:03,120
and lawsuits for failing to meet clean air regulations. And

1694
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,420
for demonstrating disregard for the health and well - being

1695
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:12,580
of the surrounding residents and the environment. BC government fails

1696
01:52:12,620 --> 01:52:20,500
to protect the public. So our local Indigenous maintained that

1697
01:52:20,601 --> 01:52:24,420
there are serious questions about due diligence, compliance, respect and

1698
01:52:24,441 --> 01:52:28,740
basic decency from our leaders. Systemic failures by the government

1699
01:52:29,081 --> 01:52:34,420
and industrial operators that prevent identifying address, longstanding environmental harm

1700
01:52:34,521 --> 01:52:38,100
caused by companies at UPOINT dates back more than 40

1701
01:52:38,121 --> 01:52:44,477
years, according to Chief Wise, 2021. Provincial Government is responsible

1702
01:52:44,498 --> 01:52:48,397
for setting limits, but according to the Canadian Association of

1703
01:52:48,437 --> 01:52:53,357
Physicians for the Environment, the permits issued failed to require

1704
01:52:53,698 --> 01:52:58,077
continuous testing for heavy metals, dioxin, furons, and common impacts

1705
01:52:58,117 --> 01:53:04,820
of pollution from heavy airpluting industries. Ugly industries are a

1706
01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:08,803
liability. I'm going to go fast now. We support the

1707
01:53:09,064 --> 01:53:13,936
option. Two, to prohibit ways to energy incinerators, chemical plants,

1708
01:53:14,037 --> 01:53:20,948
thermal electric generators, petroleum refineries, and LNG export facilities. Thank

1709
01:53:20,948 --> 01:53:25,328
you very much. Thank you. Questions for that allegation, Councillor

1710
01:53:25,368 --> 01:53:31,414
Manley. Thank you. You referenced the incinerator in Burnaby. And

1711
01:53:31,615 --> 01:53:33,914
do you know how that was determined that they found

1712
01:53:33,935 --> 01:53:38,714
out about the toxic emissions and the dioxins in France

1713
01:53:38,815 --> 01:53:41,034
that were landing in the yards? Do I know what

1714
01:53:41,135 --> 01:53:43,114
they have found out? Do you know how they found

1715
01:53:43,135 --> 01:53:48,582
out. No, not specifically, no. Oh, they were collecting samples

1716
01:53:48,603 --> 01:53:53,542
of roofs of surrounding roofs, which in consideration of Gabriela

1717
01:53:53,542 --> 01:53:58,182
Island, where there are many, many hundreds of homes collecting

1718
01:53:58,443 --> 01:54:03,647
rainwater. For their drinking water supply. So if those dioxidants

1719
01:54:04,148 --> 01:54:07,887
end up on their roofs or the nanoparticular, you don't

1720
01:54:07,887 --> 01:54:09,327
even have to drink it. You just have to have

1721
01:54:09,327 --> 01:54:14,329
a shower to get its absorbed through your skin. So,

1722
01:54:14,329 --> 01:54:20,329
you know, it's heavy air polluting industries are a danger

1723
01:54:20,369 --> 01:54:26,516
to our environment and our health. Sorry. If you wish

1724
01:54:26,537 --> 01:54:30,162
to speak, please up to the mic. Oh, I am

1725
01:54:30,423 --> 01:54:40,264
so sorry. Yes. So two. The mic. It's

1726
01:54:40,525 --> 01:54:43,784
a lot worse when you get two in an area

1727
01:54:44,365 --> 01:54:49,682
together. Thank you. It was actually an independent investigation that

1728
01:54:49,703 --> 01:54:53,362
found it was not the regulator that found that there

1729
01:54:53,402 --> 01:54:57,379
was toxic emissions coming from that incinerator in Burnaby. And

1730
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,659
so the regulator wasn't doing their job. Thank you for

1731
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:05,300
presentation. Thank you very much. Uh, the next is Cheryl

1732
01:55:05,321 --> 01:55:15,012
Bancroft. Miss Vancouffed, I think you've heard the rules. If

1733
01:55:15,012 --> 01:55:17,692
you'll introduce yourself for the record, you'll have five minutes

1734
01:55:17,953 --> 01:55:22,983
when the minute left, I'll advise you. Thank you. Good

1735
01:55:22,983 --> 01:55:27,843
evening Mayor and Council. Pleasure to be here and have

1736
01:55:27,883 --> 01:55:31,109
a chance to speak with you. Uh, I'm here actually

1737
01:55:31,130 --> 01:55:36,709
to add to what's been already mentioned from previous delegations.

1738
01:55:40,105 --> 01:55:45,844
Um, what I find is that, um, options one through

1739
01:55:46,105 --> 01:55:51,675
three. Which do address some site - specific requirements. They're

1740
01:55:51,696 --> 01:55:55,800
missing some pieces. And it's the missing pieces that I

1741
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,976
want to speak to. What I find is that none

1742
01:55:59,976 --> 01:56:08,089
of the options first address transparency. We have a particular

1743
01:56:08,830 --> 01:56:13,334
proponent with an application before rezoning. And it's never really

1744
01:56:13,435 --> 01:56:17,094
been, it's not been exposed due to the public exactly

1745
01:56:17,094 --> 01:56:21,720
what they intend to do on that property. So I'm

1746
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:28,731
asking for transparency in any zoning application. Um, of course,

1747
01:56:28,912 --> 01:56:37,505
consultation with SNNEMO. At third to review what the proponents,

1748
01:56:37,505 --> 01:56:41,568
water uses will be. We know with climate change that

1749
01:56:41,989 --> 01:56:49,909
we are, um, going through extraordinary dry spells. Um, proponents

1750
01:56:49,949 --> 01:56:53,011
have licences for use of water. But that will be

1751
01:56:53,192 --> 01:56:56,691
affecting the rest of the city as it expands and

1752
01:56:56,731 --> 01:57:00,291
grows. And so what is there in your policies to

1753
01:57:00,312 --> 01:57:09,249
review how much water use each, um, industry uses. Proximity

1754
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:16,511
to residential areas. So then I was boundaries are a

1755
01:57:16,511 --> 01:57:19,893
line on a map. Of course, one in particular that

1756
01:57:20,954 --> 01:57:26,133
is before you rezoning application does not show the residential

1757
01:57:26,394 --> 01:57:29,911
lands on the other side of the line. In cedar.

1758
01:57:32,096 --> 01:57:39,073
In RDN area. Now you've identified for industry inappropriate that

1759
01:57:39,174 --> 01:57:43,700
industries that are inappropriate and urban and residential areas. But

1760
01:57:43,721 --> 01:57:48,980
I don't see that being incorporated into bylaws and policies.

1761
01:57:49,728 --> 01:57:57,117
Uh, in rezoning applications. TREECANDOPY implications. That's been a recent

1762
01:57:57,858 --> 01:58:00,923
topic for the city. And how does that fit into

1763
01:58:01,424 --> 01:58:06,669
rezoning applications. Um, the tree canopy, of course, with climate

1764
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:13,499
changes. This is our source of cooling. But also, um,

1765
01:58:13,940 --> 01:58:19,916
in some applications, it could be diversion of streams. And

1766
01:58:20,017 --> 01:58:25,116
on a property that streams that feed an adjoining forest.

1767
01:58:25,943 --> 01:58:28,242
Of course, you know, I'm talking about the area west

1768
01:58:28,242 --> 01:58:34,146
of cable bay. Currently the application is to divert water.

1769
01:58:35,457 --> 01:58:39,186
And run it into the ocean. But that will divert

1770
01:58:39,226 --> 01:58:43,050
streams away from an existing forest. Well, if this forest

1771
01:58:43,090 --> 01:58:47,690
doesn't have water, uh, gravitationally running to it, we won't

1772
01:58:47,690 --> 01:58:56,937
have a forest. Another implication is marine ecology. And I

1773
01:58:56,937 --> 01:59:01,372
don't see that showing up. And reviews of zoning bylaws.

1774
01:59:02,570 --> 01:59:08,335
So where does that factor in. So industrial expansion is

1775
01:59:08,836 --> 01:59:14,474
inevitable. I think we understand that. Um, the Nanaimo Accord

1776
01:59:14,975 --> 01:59:21,943
speaks to an integrated approach. That includes environmental responsibility. And

1777
01:59:22,044 --> 01:59:27,497
the coordinated action for regional prosperity. Yet the minute. There's

1778
01:59:27,497 --> 01:59:32,197
nothing in there that recognises, uh, the impressional community. You

1779
01:59:32,197 --> 01:59:35,140
worship. Sorry to interrupt, but just, um, the delegation should

1780
01:59:35,140 --> 01:59:37,460
be speaking to the report on the agenda and not

1781
01:59:37,721 --> 01:59:42,248
any previous rezoning applications. So I'm just asking that in

1782
01:59:42,749 --> 01:59:49,368
the resonance. So because the public hearing was, um, was

1783
01:59:49,629 --> 01:59:54,168
adjourned, but not over. It's, sorry, it was, um, recessed

1784
01:59:54,749 --> 01:59:58,008
or it's not over. So we can't hear any more

1785
01:59:58,008 --> 02:00:01,448
talk on that rezoning application. This delegation should be speaking

1786
02:00:01,549 --> 02:00:04,254
only to the report on the agenda this evening. Ms.

1787
02:00:04,355 --> 02:00:07,374
Gurry is quite correct. I've given you a taken you

1788
02:00:07,374 --> 02:00:11,771
back. You have a full minute to complete. My ask

1789
02:00:11,792 --> 02:00:17,531
is that, um, like previous candidate had had mentioned option

1790
02:00:17,712 --> 02:00:23,833
four. Which would be a blending of option three, which

1791
02:00:23,833 --> 02:00:27,994
is to do a comprehensive review. And to include, um,

1792
02:00:28,195 --> 02:00:33,214
industries that are being prohibited and integrate in the items

1793
02:00:33,214 --> 02:00:38,724
that I've mentioned to you, consultation, transparency, water use. Proximity

1794
02:00:38,825 --> 02:00:43,044
to residential areas, tree canopy and marine implications. And that's

1795
02:00:43,084 --> 02:00:47,363
my ask. Thank you very much. Are there any questions?

1796
02:00:47,464 --> 02:00:51,123
Uh, yes. Um, you had mentioned in your discussion that

1797
02:00:51,163 --> 02:00:55,603
it was essential to consult with SFNs and AMICRUS nation

1798
02:00:55,603 --> 02:00:58,751
on this. And so the views of the nation should

1799
02:00:58,772 --> 02:01:03,231
figure, um, I won't say predominantly, but certainly figure importantly

1800
02:01:03,812 --> 02:01:07,311
in any discussion council has around these matters. Would you

1801
02:01:07,311 --> 02:01:10,111
agree with that? Yes, I certainly appreciate that. Thank you

1802
02:01:10,132 --> 02:01:15,433
very much. Any questions that allegation. Not seeing any. Appreciate

1803
02:01:15,473 --> 02:01:22,669
your time tonight. The next delegation is Bethany Ricker. Dr.

1804
02:01:22,690 --> 02:01:25,709
Ricker, I think you've heard the drill. Introduce yourself. You'll

1805
02:01:25,709 --> 02:01:27,149
have five minutes. And I'll let you know when the

1806
02:01:27,149 --> 02:01:35,134
minute left. Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you Mayor and Council.

1807
02:01:35,134 --> 02:01:40,174
I'm Dr. Bethany Ricker, family physician practicing here in Nanaimo.

1808
02:01:40,174 --> 02:01:42,734
Co - chair of the Canadian Association of Physicians for

1809
02:01:42,734 --> 02:01:46,014
the Environment of BC. And an executive board director of

1810
02:01:46,115 --> 02:01:50,470
the Nanaimo Climate Action Hub. I support a transition to

1811
02:01:50,571 --> 02:01:57,350
limiting some emissions intensive heavy industries such as petroleum refineries.

1812
02:01:57,350 --> 02:02:01,030
LNG export facilities and ways to energy facilities. Because of

1813
02:02:01,030 --> 02:02:05,110
the potential for harmful impacts on health, community and climate.

1814
02:02:06,213 --> 02:02:09,392
I want to use the example of CIDAMATS LNG export

1815
02:02:09,413 --> 02:02:13,552
facility to demonstrate the potential for unforeseen harms of emissions

1816
02:02:13,653 --> 02:02:18,432
intensive industries on a community. Leakage and flaring of methane

1817
02:02:18,693 --> 02:02:23,072
produce harmful pollutants like nitrogen and sulfur dioxides, posing particular

1818
02:02:23,573 --> 02:02:27,312
risk to vulnerable people such as those with lung disease,

1819
02:02:27,413 --> 02:02:31,691
pregnant people, children, and the elderly. A few months ago,

1820
02:02:31,691 --> 02:02:33,931
I filled a short - term low composition for a

1821
02:02:33,952 --> 02:02:38,718
family doctor in Kitamat. Over my few weeks, working there,

1822
02:02:38,718 --> 02:02:42,398
I saw many patients who themselves were concerned that their

1823
02:02:42,438 --> 02:02:45,358
health was being harmed by air pollutants from the LNG

1824
02:02:45,379 --> 02:02:49,456
expert facility. A father who himself worked within the industry

1825
02:02:50,037 --> 02:02:52,176
brought in his young daughter with a long - lasting

1826
02:02:52,197 --> 02:02:56,336
cough, saying maybe her daycare being right under the FLIR

1827
02:02:56,336 --> 02:02:59,951
stack could have something to do with this. I normally

1828
02:03:00,052 --> 02:03:02,371
healthy and active 40 - something - year - old

1829
02:03:02,371 --> 02:03:05,151
woman had been to this clinic a dozen times over

1830
02:03:05,151 --> 02:03:08,111
the past year with a chronic cough and shortness of

1831
02:03:08,151 --> 02:03:13,151
breath, undiagnosed after multiple trials of antibiotics, multiple x -

1832
02:03:13,151 --> 02:03:17,129
rays, SCT scan, and lung function testing. And elderly woman

1833
02:03:17,150 --> 02:03:20,889
with baseline COPD came in for her puffer refill, much

1834
02:03:20,889 --> 02:03:24,889
too soon, telling me that ever since that smoke started,

1835
02:03:24,929 --> 02:03:29,452
her breathing had never been easy. These are the lived

1836
02:03:29,553 --> 02:03:33,772
experiences of people living close to harmful emissions. These are

1837
02:03:33,812 --> 02:03:37,212
the concerns that local health care providers and city decision

1838
02:03:37,233 --> 02:03:41,303
makers are dealing with. In fact, frontline communities are so

1839
02:03:41,404 --> 02:03:45,703
concerned about these possible health effects that multiple directly affected

1840
02:03:45,884 --> 02:03:51,063
municipalities have called for an independent health impacts assessment, including

1841
02:03:51,244 --> 02:03:57,184
DOSEN creek, terrorists, and squamish. These air pollutants not only

1842
02:03:57,205 --> 02:04:00,704
harm our health directly, but also worsen climate change, which

1843
02:04:00,885 --> 02:04:05,184
itself is the greatest health threat of our century. LNG

1844
02:04:05,365 --> 02:04:09,824
primarily methane is 80 times as potent at greenhouse gas

1845
02:04:09,845 --> 02:04:13,844
warming than CO2. And multiple studies show that LNG is

1846
02:04:13,884 --> 02:04:18,141
no better than coal in its total emissions. Some of

1847
02:04:18,141 --> 02:04:21,261
you on council are concerned that increased regulation will drive

1848
02:04:21,282 --> 02:04:25,821
away investment and industry thereby risking increased poverty and poor

1849
02:04:25,842 --> 02:04:29,421
job opportunities here in the Nanaimo. I am in full

1850
02:04:29,461 --> 02:04:32,981
agreement that poverty is perhaps the single greatest determinant of

1851
02:04:32,981 --> 02:04:36,977
health. We should not be pitting the environmental and financial

1852
02:04:37,078 --> 02:04:40,337
determinants of health against one another. But rather these are

1853
02:04:40,598 --> 02:04:44,817
two compounding risk factors, which often affect the same vulnerable

1854
02:04:44,838 --> 02:04:50,093
population simultaneously. And this is for multiple reasons. It is

1855
02:04:50,093 --> 02:04:53,773
more likely for toxic emissions to be created near poorer

1856
02:04:53,794 --> 02:04:57,135
neighbourhoods. Or that people with the financial means will move

1857
02:04:57,175 --> 02:05:00,814
away. And the voices of people with less financial capital

1858
02:05:00,995 --> 02:05:04,254
are more often overlooked, even if they do have health

1859
02:05:04,275 --> 02:05:09,290
concerns. Those with minimal savings are more harmed by forced

1860
02:05:09,330 --> 02:05:11,850
time away from work if they themselves or a loved

1861
02:05:11,890 --> 02:05:15,893
one are sick. And these effects do not only apply

1862
02:05:15,933 --> 02:05:19,733
to passive bystanders, but we must strongly consider the health

1863
02:05:19,834 --> 02:05:23,493
effects on industry workers themselves, those who are often at

1864
02:05:23,533 --> 02:05:26,693
highest risk to ensure that they are adequately informed and

1865
02:05:26,794 --> 02:05:31,770
protected from undue harms. One minute. Climate change itself is

1866
02:05:31,810 --> 02:05:34,730
also much more harmful to people of lower financial independence.

1867
02:05:35,529 --> 02:05:38,708
For example, being unable to install appropriate cooling in their

1868
02:05:38,729 --> 02:05:42,548
homes or being unable to afford insurance costs as they

1869
02:05:42,569 --> 02:05:47,339
rise due to risks of flooding and fires. The cost

1870
02:05:47,379 --> 02:05:50,699
of fresh healthy food is another example of cost increased

1871
02:05:50,699 --> 02:05:55,704
by climate change. So yes, both poverty and environmental exposures

1872
02:05:55,744 --> 02:05:58,504
must be considered when we build industry in our community.

1873
02:05:58,935 --> 02:06:01,714
And we must ensure that the most vulnerable are not

1874
02:06:02,055 --> 02:06:05,874
saddled with the harmful consequences of our decisions. I am

1875
02:06:05,975 --> 02:06:11,652
not against industry. Safe, healthy, stable, and gainful employment is

1876
02:06:11,833 --> 02:06:16,212
critical for our health and wellbeing. Although every industry will

1877
02:06:16,233 --> 02:06:20,612
have some effect on the natural environment and human health,

1878
02:06:21,593 --> 02:06:25,252
our industrial development can be made more safe through planning

1879
02:06:25,353 --> 02:06:28,852
the types of industries, their locations, and their health and

1880
02:06:28,892 --> 02:06:33,012
safety regulations carefully. Thank you. Thank you. You're dead on

1881
02:06:33,113 --> 02:06:38,016
you, Mr. Practice. Spoke fast. Questions Councillor Armstrong and then

1882
02:06:38,016 --> 02:06:40,816
Councillor Manley. Thank you very much, doctor. My question is

1883
02:06:40,816 --> 02:06:42,976
going towards LNG. I was doing a lot of research

1884
02:06:42,976 --> 02:06:46,416
on the CEDEMAT thing because that's very controversial up there,

1885
02:06:46,416 --> 02:06:49,296
obviously. Um, and they show that, um, they have a

1886
02:06:49,317 --> 02:06:53,520
74 percent higher rate of asthma. Is that linked directly

1887
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,160
to the LNG or could that also be to the,

1888
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:59,760
um, aluminum plant Earth combination? Very many factors. And in

1889
02:06:59,781 --> 02:07:03,040
CEDAMOT specifically, they do have a very affected airshed because

1890
02:07:03,061 --> 02:07:07,120
they have already had RioTintol Alcancility there for many years.

1891
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:09,980
And they are in a vulnerable airshed with the way

1892
02:07:10,101 --> 02:07:14,000
their geography is and maintaining those emissions within the atmosphere.

1893
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,280
So as a specific example, CIDAMAT is at very high

1894
02:07:17,381 --> 02:07:20,640
risk because of their airshed due to the combination of

1895
02:07:21,301 --> 02:07:25,520
alkane, RioTento activities, plus LNG Canada. And now the potential

1896
02:07:25,541 --> 02:07:29,360
for expanding to LNG Canada phase two and the floating

1897
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:31,180
LNG test. In the fall, if I may, because, um,

1898
02:07:31,861 --> 02:07:33,760
from reading what I've read, I understand a lot of

1899
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:36,800
the issues come at the FLIRUP times. And the government

1900
02:07:37,381 --> 02:07:39,760
only keeps the records for 30 days. Then they destroy

1901
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,800
them. So would that make it hard for you to,

1902
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:47,628
or any physician or whatever to trace. Back? Because like,

1903
02:07:47,628 --> 02:07:49,148
would it not be a good recommendation to have those

1904
02:07:49,169 --> 02:07:51,948
records kept for a lot longer than 30 days? Oh,

1905
02:07:52,049 --> 02:07:56,748
absolutely. Yeah, it's very difficult to make direct connections between

1906
02:07:57,169 --> 02:07:59,788
outcomes and what their causes, because this is the real

1907
02:07:59,889 --> 02:08:04,108
world. There are many factors impacting individuals health. Um, but

1908
02:08:04,369 --> 02:08:07,788
there have been for sure issues with kind of record

1909
02:08:07,889 --> 02:08:10,828
keeping, as you said, but also with actual monitoring and

1910
02:08:10,828 --> 02:08:15,308
regulation. There's been many revealing news stories, uh, studies coming

1911
02:08:15,489 --> 02:08:19,388
out showing that, um, there have been industrial issues causing

1912
02:08:19,649 --> 02:08:22,108
flaring to be much higher than the regulated and permitted

1913
02:08:22,209 --> 02:08:26,508
amount. And also evidence that, um, the kind of permitted

1914
02:08:26,529 --> 02:08:30,268
amount of flaring is considered on a kind of average

1915
02:08:30,529 --> 02:08:33,868
operations basis as opposed to during the startup phase, which

1916
02:08:33,969 --> 02:08:37,628
can actually last for multiple years when flaring and emissions

1917
02:08:37,668 --> 02:08:40,188
from flaring are actually much higher. And those emissions are

1918
02:08:40,228 --> 02:08:44,428
not being monitored or accounted for inregulating. Thank you very

1919
02:08:44,428 --> 02:08:49,450
much. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Manley. Thank you. Yeah, it

1920
02:08:49,450 --> 02:08:51,610
sounded like you were talking about the synergistic effect of

1921
02:08:52,271 --> 02:08:56,730
LKEN and combined with LNG in that situation. Um, I'm

1922
02:08:56,770 --> 02:08:59,370
curious about the situation in DOS and Creek. Are you

1923
02:08:59,370 --> 02:09:02,130
aware of doctors that have left that community based on

1924
02:09:03,071 --> 02:09:06,330
concerns about the air quality for their families? Yeah, absolutely.

1925
02:09:06,330 --> 02:09:09,690
And you may remember me referencing this, uh, in the

1926
02:09:09,711 --> 02:09:13,770
November meeting, um, DOS and Creek is central centrally located

1927
02:09:13,791 --> 02:09:17,010
in an area of a high volume of fracking. So

1928
02:09:17,471 --> 02:09:23,130
obtaining gas from underground using very toxic chemicals. Um, so

1929
02:09:23,311 --> 02:09:26,330
in that case, yes, potentially air quality because there is

1930
02:09:26,591 --> 02:09:30,870
flaring involved in the process of fracking as well. But

1931
02:09:30,911 --> 02:09:34,730
additionally, there's huge contamination of the groundwater. There's a little

1932
02:09:34,751 --> 02:09:38,730
carcidins getting into the groundwater. And as I spoke to

1933
02:09:38,991 --> 02:09:41,910
last time I was here at the November meeting, uh,

1934
02:09:42,031 --> 02:09:44,570
one of my colleagues, Dr. Mayer, who has been practicing

1935
02:09:44,991 --> 02:09:48,570
in DOS and Creek for the past 30 years has

1936
02:09:48,570 --> 02:09:51,770
truly alarming stories that even as a health care professional,

1937
02:09:51,951 --> 02:09:57,130
your jaw drops thinking, how could there be this many,

1938
02:09:57,130 --> 02:10:00,250
you know, glioblastoma brain tumors in people in their 20s

1939
02:10:00,271 --> 02:10:03,130
and 30s. We never see those here in Nanaimo or

1940
02:10:03,170 --> 02:10:06,490
how could there be this many childhood leukemias in a

1941
02:10:06,490 --> 02:10:09,130
small community in Dawson Creek. So once again, things that

1942
02:10:09,311 --> 02:10:12,810
are hard to gather very granular evidence - based data

1943
02:10:12,911 --> 02:10:17,450
on, but the, um, you know, the known carcinogens are

1944
02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:23,126
there and the cancer diagnoses are there. And so you

1945
02:10:23,467 --> 02:10:28,566
referenced DOS and DOSN Creek and Terris, um, for studies.

1946
02:10:28,566 --> 02:10:31,686
Are those being done by the regulator or that was

1947
02:10:31,686 --> 02:10:35,686
called for by, uh, independent researchers? Yeah. The communities that

1948
02:10:35,726 --> 02:10:40,806
have passed these motions are calling on the province to

1949
02:10:40,987 --> 02:10:46,566
require an independent body to assess the health impacts of

1950
02:10:46,587 --> 02:10:50,240
the natural gas industry. And, and, uh, in the case

1951
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:54,560
of CIDAMOT, it was an independent researcher who discovered that,

1952
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:58,760
uh, the, um, the, uh, emissions were 40 times, I

1953
02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:04,320
think, the allowable limit. And what, what did regulator do

1954
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:09,714
you about that. The province. You know, from my understanding,

1955
02:11:09,975 --> 02:11:14,674
there was, um, industrial, um, kind of concerns. Like this

1956
02:11:14,674 --> 02:11:17,314
was not supposed to be happening. This was due to

1957
02:11:19,015 --> 02:11:23,394
malfunctioning of some usual, uh, operations at the facility. I

1958
02:11:23,495 --> 02:11:25,154
can't speak further to that. I don't want to give

1959
02:11:25,194 --> 02:11:28,754
any false information about what was or was not done.

1960
02:11:28,754 --> 02:11:34,594
However, it was revealed that the, the company itself LNG

1961
02:11:34,634 --> 02:11:37,634
Canada was aware that their emissions were much higher than

1962
02:11:37,655 --> 02:11:42,274
the permissible regulations allowed and that they did not disclose

1963
02:11:42,295 --> 02:11:45,314
this to the regulator for months as they tried to.

1964
02:11:46,409 --> 02:11:50,390
Get that back under control. Process of self - regulation.

1965
02:11:50,411 --> 02:11:54,495
Do you know how many doctors left Austin Creek. I

1966
02:11:54,535 --> 02:11:57,335
don't know specifically. And there is a lot of, of

1967
02:11:57,335 --> 02:12:00,015
course, difficulty for people to speak out publicly about this

1968
02:12:00,356 --> 02:12:03,295
because these are their communities and their loved ones and

1969
02:12:03,295 --> 02:12:06,095
their friends. Um, but it's a small community, right? So

1970
02:12:07,876 --> 02:12:11,215
from the hearsay reports that I have heard, it's somewhere

1971
02:12:11,876 --> 02:12:13,935
a third to a half of the doctors in this

1972
02:12:14,036 --> 02:12:17,935
small community over a period of several years moved their

1973
02:12:17,975 --> 02:12:23,518
practices and moved away. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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I'm not seeing any other questions. Appreciate the presentation.

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Armstrong. Oh, sorry pardon me. Currently Park, how could I

1976
02:12:40,231 --> 02:12:47,723
forget. Sorry. Don't be hurt. Good evening Mayor and Councillors.

1977
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:50,952
Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is

1978
02:12:50,973 --> 02:12:54,152
Dr. Kierley Park. I'm a respirologist and I practice in

1979
02:12:54,152 --> 02:12:57,244
the NIMO. I just wanted to take a brief moment

1980
02:12:57,905 --> 02:13:01,324
to speak about the effects of air quality on public

1981
02:13:01,364 --> 02:13:03,964
health and to say that I think it's imperative the

1982
02:13:03,964 --> 02:13:08,444
decisions about industrial developments in Nanaimo be made not just

1983
02:13:08,465 --> 02:13:12,764
based on economic factors, but based on potential consequences in

1984
02:13:12,764 --> 02:13:16,647
terms of local public health outcomes. It's well documented that

1985
02:13:16,748 --> 02:13:19,607
air pollution, and I know this is an untouched on

1986
02:13:19,647 --> 02:13:22,887
quite a few times already, but just briefly to say,

1987
02:13:22,887 --> 02:13:26,567
um, especially find particulate matter in the environment poses a

1988
02:13:26,607 --> 02:13:31,569
major public health risk. Including increased mortality and hospitalizations for

1989
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:36,717
cardiorespiratory causes. To quote a report published by the Canadian

1990
02:13:36,757 --> 02:13:42,797
Government in 2021. In Canada, an internationally health impact assessments

1991
02:13:43,058 --> 02:13:45,837
identify air quality is one of the largest risk factors

1992
02:13:45,837 --> 02:13:51,344
for premature death and disability. It's estimated that in 2016,

1993
02:13:51,605 --> 02:13:55,584
air pollution contributed to more than 15, 000 premature deaths

1994
02:13:55,624 --> 02:13:59,784
in Canada and almost 2, 000 in British Columbia. In

1995
02:13:59,784 --> 02:14:02,704
that year, the total economic cost of all health impacts

1996
02:14:03,125 --> 02:14:07,344
attributable to air pollution was 120 billion dollars. And that

1997
02:14:07,344 --> 02:14:11,069
was a decade ago. I'm concerned about industrial developments in

1998
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:14,829
Enymol that could worsen air quality. Because whenever air quality

1999
02:14:14,829 --> 02:14:17,449
goes down, it impacts the health of our citizens. And

2000
02:14:17,449 --> 02:14:20,969
I see that all the time in our practice. The

2001
02:14:20,969 --> 02:14:24,589
lens through which we examine new industrial developments proposals at

2002
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:28,109
a local level needs to include a public health perspective.

2003
02:14:28,149 --> 02:14:31,069
I know that there are federal and provincial regulations for

2004
02:14:31,330 --> 02:14:34,829
industrial emissions, but we know, and we've heard that they're

2005
02:14:34,869 --> 02:14:38,023
not always adhered to. I think that any new proposals

2006
02:14:38,044 --> 02:14:41,143
in this regard should be closely scrutinized at the municipal

2007
02:14:41,143 --> 02:14:44,423
level with public awareness and with input from local health

2008
02:14:44,684 --> 02:14:47,943
officials and providers in order to safeguard the wellbeing of

2009
02:14:47,964 --> 02:14:52,012
our citizens in an AIMO. Thank you. Thank you very

2010
02:14:52,012 --> 02:14:55,597
much, Councillor Brown. You think so much. Thanks so much

2011
02:14:55,597 --> 02:14:59,797
for being here. I'm just curious, I wanted to ask

2012
02:14:59,837 --> 02:15:02,568
the same question to other presenters. But is there any

2013
02:15:02,568 --> 02:15:06,728
localized data based on the impact of existing industry on

2014
02:15:06,768 --> 02:15:11,528
things like respiratory health and things like that? Not that

2015
02:15:11,568 --> 02:15:14,808
I'm aware of. There's some BC specific data. And there

2016
02:15:14,808 --> 02:15:19,688
are some studies in certain areas in Vancouver about markers

2017
02:15:19,728 --> 02:15:24,568
of air quality and health outcomes next to very busy

2018
02:15:25,629 --> 02:15:28,488
arterial roots like traffic routes, but I don't know of

2019
02:15:28,528 --> 02:15:31,528
any of the nine. Right. And just one other question.

2020
02:15:31,528 --> 02:15:33,448
And if you don't have the answer, I know it's

2021
02:15:33,448 --> 02:15:36,488
off the cuff here. So is there a research out

2022
02:15:36,488 --> 02:15:39,528
there about the impacts of say like automobile use and

2023
02:15:39,549 --> 02:15:44,008
the, obviously it's pretty known. The pollution causing in comparison

2024
02:15:44,029 --> 02:15:47,128
to industry, especially in some of the other areas reference,

2025
02:15:47,128 --> 02:15:49,688
like what's the ratio of damage? And I know that

2026
02:15:49,728 --> 02:15:51,688
can be hard, but I'm just curious if that comparative

2027
02:15:51,728 --> 02:15:54,728
analysis is out there. Um, I think, um, I don't

2028
02:15:54,768 --> 02:15:58,888
know that they've been able to tease out specific in

2029
02:15:58,928 --> 02:16:05,208
sort of, um, like traffic versus, um, industry, uh, emissions

2030
02:16:05,248 --> 02:16:08,168
from industry. Although again, the study that I was talking

2031
02:16:08,208 --> 02:16:11,688
about for Vancouver, the, they were taking samples and trying

2032
02:16:11,688 --> 02:16:16,568
to trace back, um, sort of where the different particulate

2033
02:16:16,608 --> 02:16:20,568
matter came from. But again, that's sort of somewhere that

2034
02:16:20,568 --> 02:16:23,928
was really close to a very busy highway. And so

2035
02:16:23,968 --> 02:16:25,688
of course, a lot of it was traffic. So absolutely

2036
02:16:27,149 --> 02:16:30,248
pollution from traffic plays a big role. Um, as do

2037
02:16:30,288 --> 02:16:33,528
wildfires, um, but yeah, the, the emissions from heavy industry

2038
02:16:34,189 --> 02:16:39,435
certainly, Clara. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you. Councillor Armstrong.

2039
02:16:39,435 --> 02:16:47,992
Oh, no, what's for after. Sorry. Okay, I know we've

2040
02:16:47,992 --> 02:16:51,432
got like four different options on the table. One of

2041
02:16:51,432 --> 02:16:53,112
my concerns that, that I would like to see before

2042
02:16:53,293 --> 02:16:55,832
we make a decision and I just throw that out.

2043
02:16:55,832 --> 02:16:57,992
Is I would like to see engagement with, uh, same

2044
02:16:58,013 --> 02:17:00,712
old First Nation before we even look at any determinations

2045
02:17:01,293 --> 02:17:05,093
and better definitions. Like I think everybody knows my position.

2046
02:17:05,093 --> 02:17:07,013
I think we need to look at gasification as an

2047
02:17:07,013 --> 02:17:10,102
option. That's why he's asking the questions. And people, I

2048
02:17:10,102 --> 02:17:13,262
think quite often mix up incineration with gasification. And I

2049
02:17:13,262 --> 02:17:15,822
think biomass is netting like we said. Like I just

2050
02:17:15,822 --> 02:17:18,462
don't have enough information yet. Like I agree. Like I

2051
02:17:18,462 --> 02:17:21,022
think LNG is dangerous. Um, you know, like from the

2052
02:17:21,022 --> 02:17:23,802
research I've done, I think that in petroleum, another, you

2053
02:17:23,802 --> 02:17:26,687
know, concern I do have as well. But I don't

2054
02:17:26,687 --> 02:17:29,167
think there's nothing information to make an informed decision right

2055
02:17:29,167 --> 02:17:31,867
now. I'd like to hear more from that. You know,

2056
02:17:31,867 --> 02:17:33,967
when we talk about community consultation, I think it's very

2057
02:17:34,007 --> 02:17:36,527
important that we hear from some of the doctors that

2058
02:17:36,527 --> 02:17:39,167
spoke as well so they can provide the, uh, their

2059
02:17:39,207 --> 02:17:41,967
perspective for preventive medicine. I think it's important that we

2060
02:17:42,007 --> 02:17:45,087
hear the economic benefits versus that. All of that. Because

2061
02:17:45,087 --> 02:17:46,447
it is a big decision to make. I do understand

2062
02:17:46,868 --> 02:17:50,287
site specific. But my issue is site specific is it's

2063
02:17:50,287 --> 02:17:53,167
time consuming cost a lot of money. Um, if we

2064
02:17:53,167 --> 02:17:56,767
don't get more information, like I was looking at number

2065
02:17:56,788 --> 02:17:59,007
three, but part of me would like to make a

2066
02:17:59,007 --> 02:18:01,467
motion to defer the decision until the engagement with, uh,

2067
02:18:03,028 --> 02:18:06,207
SFN and Nanamo Prosperity Corporation, which was part of the

2068
02:18:06,228 --> 02:18:10,607
original motion put in by, um, Councillor Hammond's be conducted

2069
02:18:10,628 --> 02:18:13,247
and then be brought back to us after that conversation

2070
02:18:13,348 --> 02:18:17,167
takes place because we have had conversations with SFN around

2071
02:18:17,588 --> 02:18:21,487
industrial lands, especially when we're looking at, um, Duke Point

2072
02:18:21,487 --> 02:18:23,887
area and all the rezones and stuff. So I just

2073
02:18:23,887 --> 02:18:27,383
throw that out for consideration. Sorry, are you moving a

2074
02:18:27,383 --> 02:18:34,178
motion to defer. Thank you. And Councillor seconds. All right.

2075
02:18:34,199 --> 02:18:41,681
Councillor Hemmons. So your worship with emotion on the floor,

2076
02:18:41,681 --> 02:18:43,521
we should deal with the motion first and then, and

2077
02:18:43,521 --> 02:18:52,165
then have the break after. I'll ask Councillor's to speak

2078
02:18:52,426 --> 02:18:57,786
slowly. So speaking in support of deferral, I think it's

2079
02:18:57,807 --> 02:19:00,826
essential that we get the nation's perspective on this as

2080
02:19:00,826 --> 02:19:03,906
well as, um, when we have this initial debate, I

2081
02:19:03,967 --> 02:19:08,266
did ask staff to get prosperities take on this as

2082
02:19:08,306 --> 02:19:12,106
our economic development agency. Um, I would like to hear

2083
02:19:12,127 --> 02:19:14,906
from them. So for me, I support the deferral to

2084
02:19:14,946 --> 02:19:19,172
listen to those two partners. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor

2085
02:19:19,212 --> 02:19:23,676
Brown. Go slow. Yeah. No worries. Um, so just to

2086
02:19:23,676 --> 02:19:28,476
be clear, the deferral, I'm not clear on what we're,

2087
02:19:28,516 --> 02:19:31,276
what we've actually, like we've deferred it to have conversations

2088
02:19:31,297 --> 02:19:37,469
with SFN. And we'll bring. Up that. My mic goes

2089
02:19:37,469 --> 02:19:42,508
on. And then bring it back to Council for the

2090
02:19:42,508 --> 02:19:44,748
decision as to which options we want to look at.

2091
02:19:44,748 --> 02:19:47,068
Because I think it's important that we hear SFN's perspective

2092
02:19:47,649 --> 02:19:49,548
on these lands because we do know a lot of

2093
02:19:49,588 --> 02:19:53,548
those areas are impacted by some of their hereditary and

2094
02:19:53,588 --> 02:19:56,748
cultural stuff. And they haven't been consulted on this yet.

2095
02:19:56,748 --> 02:19:58,908
So I would like to hear from them. That's just

2096
02:19:58,908 --> 02:20:02,696
my personal viewpoint and also ENPC is to impacts. And

2097
02:20:02,696 --> 02:20:04,776
then have another report come back to come back to

2098
02:20:04,816 --> 02:20:07,976
us. It's just something I threw out before I make

2099
02:20:08,016 --> 02:20:12,139
the big decision on yes or no. Or. So be

2100
02:20:12,139 --> 02:20:14,459
a worship just to clarify. Would it be the same

2101
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:18,139
report and these same options coming back before you after

2102
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,939
engagement with SNE and then I'm a prosperity. Thank you

2103
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:24,629
for sure. Okay. Uh, I'll speak to that then your

2104
02:20:24,669 --> 02:20:27,269
worship, if I may, um, I can definitely support the

2105
02:20:27,290 --> 02:20:29,669
first half of that. To me, the NPC makes no

2106
02:20:29,690 --> 02:20:34,469
sense. They're an advocacy body that coordinates and convenes meetings

2107
02:20:34,570 --> 02:20:37,186
with economic players. Could care less what they have to

2108
02:20:37,186 --> 02:20:40,356
say about it. Um, I would rather speak to the

2109
02:20:40,457 --> 02:20:47,134
industry itself. Uh, especially those property owners that are actively.

2110
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:55,996
Actively have active industrial operations. Or our planning active industrial

2111
02:20:56,017 --> 02:20:58,956
operations on those properties. That's what makes sense to me.

2112
02:20:59,780 --> 02:21:03,439
Um, and then I also think that, you know, that's

2113
02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:06,719
an economic perspective. Absolutely needs to be balanced by a

2114
02:21:06,759 --> 02:21:12,559
health perspective. And I note that you, you mentioned doctors,

2115
02:21:12,559 --> 02:21:15,519
uh, and relevant agencies within your comments, but it's not

2116
02:21:15,620 --> 02:21:21,041
within the motion. Uh, so to that end, and then

2117
02:21:21,041 --> 02:21:23,921
I would just say, I think the third component there

2118
02:21:23,961 --> 02:21:27,964
that I think is missing. And that would be, and

2119
02:21:27,964 --> 02:21:30,544
I don't know where the appropriate place would be to

2120
02:21:30,584 --> 02:21:36,215
receive comment from potentially ministries or whatnot. But, uh, the

2121
02:21:36,255 --> 02:21:39,135
environmental component that would be absent as well. Because I

2122
02:21:39,135 --> 02:21:41,655
don't think the decision is just economy versus the environment

2123
02:21:41,695 --> 02:21:43,655
or economy versus the health. I think, I think what

2124
02:21:43,676 --> 02:21:45,415
Council Armstrong, I don't want to speak for you is

2125
02:21:45,415 --> 02:21:47,335
trying to get it is that we actually need a

2126
02:21:47,356 --> 02:21:51,735
very informed discussion with the balance perspectives at this table

2127
02:21:51,756 --> 02:21:55,815
before proceeding with one option or the other. But so

2128
02:21:56,076 --> 02:21:57,975
as the motion stands now, I couldn't support it. Thank

2129
02:21:57,975 --> 02:22:01,785
you. Thank you Councillor Thorpe and Councillor Hemmons and Council

2130
02:22:01,825 --> 02:22:04,345
Manley and then Councillor Genslerbrook. Thank you very much for

2131
02:22:04,385 --> 02:22:08,345
worship. I will be supporting the motion, although I guess

2132
02:22:08,345 --> 02:22:11,945
I feel I would prefer that it was less restrictive.

2133
02:22:12,603 --> 02:22:14,742
I was very concerned when I read in the report

2134
02:22:15,003 --> 02:22:18,306
and I highlighted it. That, and I quote, no engagement

2135
02:22:18,327 --> 02:22:20,706
has taken place at this time. And I'm not blaming

2136
02:22:20,967 --> 02:22:23,186
staff because I know they were hurrying to get this

2137
02:22:23,287 --> 02:22:26,866
report back to us as directed. But I think the

2138
02:22:27,127 --> 02:22:31,386
more communication and engagement, the better, certainly with SFN. I

2139
02:22:31,386 --> 02:22:35,346
want to hear what the prosperity corporation has to say

2140
02:22:36,167 --> 02:22:38,386
and absolutely what the industries that are going to be

2141
02:22:38,407 --> 02:22:41,186
affected potentially have to say as well. So I think

2142
02:22:41,226 --> 02:22:44,306
there's a lot of engagement that needs to happen. And,

2143
02:22:44,306 --> 02:22:47,186
uh, I am not comfortable making a decision on this

2144
02:22:47,287 --> 02:22:51,059
until that engagement has taken place. Thank you. Thank you.

2145
02:22:51,560 --> 02:22:55,468
Councillor Hemings. Thank you worship. I've already spoken, but I

2146
02:22:55,468 --> 02:22:58,955
wanted to address Councillor Brown's comments. I actually find it

2147
02:22:58,955 --> 02:23:00,795
a little rude to say that we don't care about

2148
02:23:00,896 --> 02:23:04,395
prosperity or you don't. That's the organisation that Council has

2149
02:23:04,395 --> 02:23:07,515
funded to give us expert advice on the development of

2150
02:23:07,515 --> 02:23:09,275
the economy in the NINIMO. And we had a really

2151
02:23:09,275 --> 02:23:12,635
great presentation from someone who's working very closely with prosperity.

2152
02:23:12,635 --> 02:23:15,192
And I think they're doing really great work. So, um,

2153
02:23:15,313 --> 02:23:17,132
I just found that a little out of line and

2154
02:23:17,132 --> 02:23:18,972
I wanted to say that. I think prosperity is the

2155
02:23:19,012 --> 02:23:22,172
right person or the right organisation because they have VIU

2156
02:23:22,212 --> 02:23:25,212
at the table. They have deported the table. They have

2157
02:23:25,212 --> 02:23:27,372
the airport at the table. So in terms of bringing

2158
02:23:28,033 --> 02:23:31,452
perspectives of industrial players, absolutely they can go and get

2159
02:23:31,473 --> 02:23:35,612
specifics. But I think they represent, um, our economic partners

2160
02:23:35,612 --> 02:23:41,015
really well. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Manley. Uh, thank

2161
02:23:41,015 --> 02:23:44,855
you. Then and I will prosperity corporation has already identified

2162
02:23:45,116 --> 02:23:49,815
priority sectors and emissions intents heavy industry is not one

2163
02:23:49,815 --> 02:23:52,775
of them. They've, they've, uh, they've identified marine and blue

2164
02:23:52,775 --> 02:23:57,735
economy, clean tech and sustainability and advanced manufacturing and industrial

2165
02:23:57,836 --> 02:24:01,655
tech. I think the Nanaima Prosperity Corporation is already on

2166
02:24:01,695 --> 02:24:05,235
the path to where this community should be going. And

2167
02:24:05,235 --> 02:24:10,215
so, um, you know, we had that presentation on foreign

2168
02:24:10,236 --> 02:24:13,575
direct investment. I wasn't in attendance that on that day,

2169
02:24:13,575 --> 02:24:16,775
but I did meet with Mr. Stansfield and went over

2170
02:24:17,596 --> 02:24:22,055
the presentation with him. Uh, in terms of CNAMO, they've

2171
02:24:22,095 --> 02:24:27,921
been very clear. They want to be consulted when there

2172
02:24:28,022 --> 02:24:31,841
are proposals for rezoning, in particular, anything that's going to

2173
02:24:32,262 --> 02:24:37,441
create additional pollution in their territory. And so the only

2174
02:24:37,481 --> 02:24:41,121
way that that can happen is by creating site -

2175
02:24:41,121 --> 02:24:46,721
specific zoning. Right now, um, a proponent could come in,

2176
02:24:46,721 --> 02:24:51,580
an international organisation could come in by land. Let's get

2177
02:24:51,601 --> 02:24:57,020
a development permit for building an incinerator. And, um, there's,

2178
02:24:57,060 --> 02:24:59,900
there would be no requirement for consultation, not with city

2179
02:24:59,921 --> 02:25:04,540
council and not with, um, first nation. And in fact,

2180
02:25:04,881 --> 02:25:09,100
we might be bound by international trade agreements. To, uh,

2181
02:25:09,301 --> 02:25:13,554
watch that proposal get, get built. And, you know, have

2182
02:25:13,594 --> 02:25:19,529
a company like Wheel Braider importing garbage. From Oregon, Washington

2183
02:25:19,710 --> 02:25:23,209
state, because we do have a, uh, an international agreement

2184
02:25:23,230 --> 02:25:28,009
with the United States on the transfer of hazardous waste.

2185
02:25:28,009 --> 02:25:30,409
It's the counter the U. S. Agreement on transboundary movement

2186
02:25:30,430 --> 02:25:34,737
of hazardous waste. And, uh, Oregon and Washington are closing

2187
02:25:34,838 --> 02:25:38,657
incinerators. So we could become the garbage dump of the

2188
02:25:38,657 --> 02:25:44,266
Pacific Northwest without so much as a public hearing. Or

2189
02:25:44,266 --> 02:25:47,146
any consultation was the name of. So this is the

2190
02:25:47,247 --> 02:25:51,386
root for consultation with NaNamel. This is how they would

2191
02:25:52,367 --> 02:25:56,026
have a voice in anything that happens. And they've been

2192
02:25:56,026 --> 02:25:58,106
very clear with us. I think that the letter that

2193
02:25:58,146 --> 02:26:00,746
they sent on April 7th was very clear that they

2194
02:26:00,767 --> 02:26:07,946
want input on industrial activity within their territory that adds

2195
02:26:08,207 --> 02:26:12,856
any additional pollution. In our territory. I don't know of

2196
02:26:12,896 --> 02:26:17,256
other bylaws where we have gone to consult with Sonema

2197
02:26:17,296 --> 02:26:21,897
on changes to our bylaws. Um, but, but maybe somebody

2198
02:26:22,238 --> 02:26:25,097
could educate me about that. But I don't, I don't

2199
02:26:25,137 --> 02:26:28,857
support a deferral at this time. Uh, so I'll be

2200
02:26:28,857 --> 02:26:34,753
voting against it. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Gesselbrock. Thank you,

2201
02:26:34,753 --> 02:26:41,314
Mayor, through you. Um, I don't support the deferral. Main

2202
02:26:41,314 --> 02:26:45,634
reason I think some of the options provided, from the

2203
02:26:45,655 --> 02:26:50,814
community, uh, on certain emission, heavy emitting producing industries, um,

2204
02:26:50,855 --> 02:26:53,074
that we can make an easily a decision on a

2205
02:26:53,074 --> 02:26:56,834
couple of things. For example, petroleum refineries and LNG export

2206
02:26:56,855 --> 02:27:01,954
facilities. That's pretty easy decision to make to prohibit data.

2207
02:27:01,954 --> 02:27:04,034
And just in a sense, ask that if something came

2208
02:27:04,074 --> 02:27:06,434
for like that, I'd have to go to public hearing.

2209
02:27:06,434 --> 02:27:11,634
Uh, I think also the question of municipal waste to

2210
02:27:11,655 --> 02:27:14,834
energy. Um, that's one that's even in our regional district,

2211
02:27:14,834 --> 02:27:17,614
Solid Waste Management Plan that we don't support that. Um,

2212
02:27:17,815 --> 02:27:19,634
that's something that we could easily go ahead with now.

2213
02:27:19,634 --> 02:27:21,794
We know in 2014, there is a huge amount of

2214
02:27:22,295 --> 02:27:25,714
public protests that shut down a proposal that didn't need

2215
02:27:25,714 --> 02:27:28,754
to go to public hearing right into the province and

2216
02:27:28,794 --> 02:27:32,114
got the Council involved. So let's just close the door

2217
02:27:32,114 --> 02:27:35,214
on that, that they didn't quite close on 2014. Um,

2218
02:27:35,255 --> 02:27:38,434
and then, uh, so option one for me is something

2219
02:27:38,455 --> 02:27:40,754
that we could easily do tonight. Um, and we don't

2220
02:27:40,754 --> 02:27:42,959
need it to refer to later. I think that's a

2221
02:27:42,959 --> 02:27:47,599
very balanced approach because, uh, chemical plants immediately going ahead

2222
02:27:47,639 --> 02:27:50,619
with prohibiting that and thermal electrical generators. There's a lot

2223
02:27:50,619 --> 02:27:52,879
of nuance there. And the things that are very aligned

2224
02:27:52,919 --> 02:27:55,919
with what this council wants to do that we would

2225
02:27:55,919 --> 02:27:59,359
be closing the door on which we shouldn't. And our

2226
02:27:59,380 --> 02:28:03,519
zoning bylaw lacks the, um, nuance and the specificity to

2227
02:28:03,540 --> 02:28:07,279
actually, um, have a good process in place of what

2228
02:28:07,279 --> 02:28:11,019
should go to public hearing. Um, and that's why, uh,

2229
02:28:11,860 --> 02:28:16,379
I agree with having greater, uh, engagement with SFN, um,

2230
02:28:16,420 --> 02:28:20,239
and with the community on reviewing our heavy industrial allowable

2231
02:28:20,260 --> 02:28:23,279
uses and amending our zoning bylaw. And option three says

2232
02:28:23,620 --> 02:28:26,079
direct staff to complete a comprehensive review of heavy industrial

2233
02:28:26,119 --> 02:28:28,719
uses for the cities industrial zones as part of the

2234
02:28:28,820 --> 02:28:31,919
zoning bylaw update project. That would be a great public

2235
02:28:31,940 --> 02:28:34,159
process to go through and having a very close look

2236
02:28:34,180 --> 02:28:37,519
at our heavy industrial uses and what we want to

2237
02:28:37,620 --> 02:28:40,479
prohibit and ensure goes to public hearing or one that

2238
02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:42,639
we can allow in a permissive use. And so I

2239
02:28:42,639 --> 02:28:45,839
think going forward tonight with Option one and option three

2240
02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:50,319
would one, do the no - brainers, um, that we

2241
02:28:50,359 --> 02:28:55,119
don't really need to go out for continued engagement on.

2242
02:28:55,119 --> 02:28:59,279
And then allow for a public process engagement on reviewing

2243
02:28:59,279 --> 02:29:03,119
the other industrial uses and the definitions through a review

2244
02:29:03,460 --> 02:29:06,399
of our heavy industrial uses. That would be making a

2245
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:09,999
decision on this item as opposed to prolonging inevitable because

2246
02:29:09,999 --> 02:29:12,539
I know where the community stands on these issues. And

2247
02:29:12,580 --> 02:29:15,839
if some proposal was put forward, that was heavy industrial

2248
02:29:15,940 --> 02:29:18,559
use and proven emission. There would be a human cry

2249
02:29:18,580 --> 02:29:21,259
and we'd have to fill up gallery and spend, uh,

2250
02:29:22,180 --> 02:29:23,839
nights and nights and nights of hearing why the public

2251
02:29:24,020 --> 02:29:28,639
wants greater public oversight on, uh, heavy industrial uses and

2252
02:29:28,660 --> 02:29:31,839
heavy emitting industries. So I'm definitely not in support of

2253
02:29:32,020 --> 02:29:36,726
deferral. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. My

2254
02:29:36,766 --> 02:29:39,086
purpose for going to SFN first is I want to

2255
02:29:39,086 --> 02:29:41,206
do it before it goes to public hearing. I think

2256
02:29:41,246 --> 02:29:44,006
it's important that they be given as a government to

2257
02:29:44,046 --> 02:29:46,406
government that we speak with them first. The reason I

2258
02:29:46,427 --> 02:29:48,886
included NPC, because that was part of the original motion.

2259
02:29:50,354 --> 02:29:52,733
That Councillor Hemmons was told that would happen, that didn't

2260
02:29:52,733 --> 02:29:55,373
happen. So we're not getting a report that was requested

2261
02:29:55,413 --> 02:29:59,229
by Council at the time. I agree. Like my other

2262
02:29:59,229 --> 02:30:01,309
concern, which I've shared before, and it's been talked about

2263
02:30:02,290 --> 02:30:05,069
at the regional district with, with, I can't remember Ben's

2264
02:30:05,069 --> 02:30:07,709
last name. They are looking at gasification because we don't

2265
02:30:07,709 --> 02:30:10,509
have the land. So that is being looked at. Many

2266
02:30:10,610 --> 02:30:13,149
First Nations are being involved on you slave with tooth

2267
02:30:13,189 --> 02:30:16,349
who have just struck a partnership with, uh, I can't

2268
02:30:16,349 --> 02:30:18,429
remember the name of the group in Vancouver to do

2269
02:30:18,469 --> 02:30:22,429
huge gasification because it's renewal. And they consider it green

2270
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:26,144
fuel. So that's my concern, the difference between gasification. And

2271
02:30:26,245 --> 02:30:30,607
incineration. They're quite different. And I think it's important because

2272
02:30:30,788 --> 02:30:34,207
in exactly what you said, Mr. Councillor Manley. SFN may

2273
02:30:34,247 --> 02:30:36,847
come back and say, yes, we support site - specific

2274
02:30:36,948 --> 02:30:38,847
zoning. I want to hear that from them. And we're

2275
02:30:38,887 --> 02:30:40,687
okay to go to public hearing on every one of

2276
02:30:40,687 --> 02:30:42,607
these. Or they may come back and say, you know

2277
02:30:42,607 --> 02:30:45,510
what. We don't want to say specific on these. We

2278
02:30:45,510 --> 02:30:48,350
want them gone, period. You know, so I would like

2279
02:30:48,390 --> 02:30:51,150
to have that information before we get to a bylaw

2280
02:30:51,150 --> 02:30:53,230
or whatever. And my other concern is, and I don't

2281
02:30:53,230 --> 02:30:54,830
know how this will play with the government when we

2282
02:30:54,830 --> 02:30:56,670
have a minister telling us to stay in our own

2283
02:30:56,670 --> 02:31:00,110
lane. When we do this previously, which is concerning, because

2284
02:31:00,110 --> 02:31:02,430
these bylaws have to go to them for approval, right?

2285
02:31:02,430 --> 02:31:07,230
So I just believe it's better to engage with SFN

2286
02:31:07,411 --> 02:31:10,190
from the start instead of waiting until we're already at

2287
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:12,030
a motion where we're going to rezone or we're going

2288
02:31:12,030 --> 02:31:14,100
to do this. And they haven't even had a chance

2289
02:31:14,121 --> 02:31:17,547
to weigh in yet. That's just my personal viewpoint. I

2290
02:31:17,587 --> 02:31:20,507
prefer to consult first and then do it after. Thank

2291
02:31:20,547 --> 02:31:25,067
you. Thank you Councillor Prino. Thank you. You worship. I

2292
02:31:25,088 --> 02:31:27,547
will be voting in favor of deferral. And the reason

2293
02:31:27,568 --> 02:31:30,827
for me is I think there's no one at this

2294
02:31:30,867 --> 02:31:34,107
table. In fact, no one in this region who wants

2295
02:31:34,128 --> 02:31:38,667
to see unhealthy emissions. Nobody does. But the important part

2296
02:31:38,707 --> 02:31:41,467
is, is that this is about industry. And we do

2297
02:31:41,507 --> 02:31:44,027
need to speak to SFN. We do need to speak

2298
02:31:44,048 --> 02:31:47,707
to the industries. We do need to speak to our

2299
02:31:47,728 --> 02:31:50,667
NPC. We need to have as much information as we

2300
02:31:50,667 --> 02:31:53,227
can to make the best decisions possible before we go

2301
02:31:53,267 --> 02:31:56,587
to rezoning. That would be my preference always. So I'll

2302
02:31:56,587 --> 02:31:58,667
be voting in favor of this. I wish that the

2303
02:31:58,928 --> 02:32:03,347
motion said speak to industries as well as SFN. I

2304
02:32:03,347 --> 02:32:05,387
wish we could put that in as a friendly amendment.

2305
02:32:05,387 --> 02:32:08,027
I'll just put that out there. I think that it

2306
02:32:08,027 --> 02:32:09,867
would be smarter to include those that are the most

2307
02:32:10,288 --> 02:32:13,227
affected by this. And to get their expertise on what

2308
02:32:13,267 --> 02:32:15,707
we are or are not doing. So that would be

2309
02:32:15,728 --> 02:32:21,396
my preference and definitely for deferral. Thank you. I'm reminded

2310
02:32:21,436 --> 02:32:25,156
of the saying in Judicial Community, nothing about us without

2311
02:32:25,257 --> 02:32:30,714
us. Council received a letter July 22nd sent on Sunday

2312
02:32:30,735 --> 02:32:34,554
night, the 26th from the Port of the Nanaimo, assigned

2313
02:32:34,594 --> 02:32:39,216
by Donna Hayes. Uh, and from a joint letter from

2314
02:32:39,397 --> 02:32:43,296
CENAMIC First Nation signed by Chief Mike Wise, uh, long

2315
02:32:43,336 --> 02:32:46,736
request for the city of Nanaimo along with others to

2316
02:32:46,757 --> 02:32:51,936
participate in a strategic economic round table, uh, involving numerous

2317
02:32:51,936 --> 02:32:56,896
partners, uh, including, as they said, uh, transport Canada, industry

2318
02:32:56,936 --> 02:33:00,656
Canada, housing infrastructure candidate, crowned induced relations candidate, National Defence

2319
02:33:00,677 --> 02:33:04,176
candidates, the name. And then I'm a board authority DP

2320
02:33:04,197 --> 02:33:07,936
world, British Lumber Ministry of Transportation. Infrastructure jobs economic growth

2321
02:33:07,936 --> 02:33:14,398
relevant shippers, et cetera, et cetera. Councillor Manley, be the

2322
02:33:14,438 --> 02:33:18,238
first to acknowledge that he then wrote in response to

2323
02:33:18,238 --> 02:33:23,809
that. A short letter, uh, asking, pardon me. It was

2324
02:33:23,849 --> 02:33:28,289
then followed up today, tonight, by a letter from Councillor

2325
02:33:28,329 --> 02:33:31,409
Joseph, designated under the terms of the letter from Sanemach

2326
02:33:31,409 --> 02:33:34,501
and the port. Saying it's come to the same exact

2327
02:33:34,522 --> 02:33:37,861
tension that on July 27, 2026, Mayor and Councillor, considering

2328
02:33:37,901 --> 02:33:42,821
options to amend the city of Bylaw, Navala 204500 related

2329
02:33:42,861 --> 02:33:47,541
to emissions intensive industrial industrial uses, et cetera. We are

2330
02:33:47,541 --> 02:33:49,541
mount Aaron Counsel. We address the issue of munitional governance

2331
02:33:49,562 --> 02:33:51,941
related to missions intensive industry and our letters of April

2332
02:33:52,202 --> 02:33:55,141
7th. In that letter, we explained how every industrial activity's

2333
02:33:55,181 --> 02:33:59,210
particular concern, et cetera. Since that letter, we have not

2334
02:33:59,210 --> 02:34:03,290
been engaged in specific proposed zoning bylaw amendments or more

2335
02:34:03,311 --> 02:34:06,730
generally unablishing a framework for missions, et cetera. Uh, so.

2336
02:34:08,674 --> 02:34:12,573
Asking us essentially to not deal with this without further

2337
02:34:12,674 --> 02:34:16,213
consultation. I think that is fairly clear. Um, we know

2338
02:34:16,253 --> 02:34:20,533
that the port authority, a major economic driver and employer

2339
02:34:20,794 --> 02:34:23,653
through the industries that are located there, uh, has not

2340
02:34:23,693 --> 02:34:27,813
been consulted with respect. I won't be quite as harsh

2341
02:34:27,994 --> 02:34:34,016
perhaps as Councillor Henns. But we fund the Nanaimo Prosperity

2342
02:34:34,277 --> 02:34:40,636
Corporation for obvious reasons. I have to ask, what's the

2343
02:34:40,677 --> 02:34:44,013
hurry here. I don't think anyone's going to build a

2344
02:34:44,053 --> 02:34:47,213
liquid natural gas plant in the next few months or

2345
02:34:47,253 --> 02:34:48,733
propose. I don't think we're going to see any of

2346
02:34:48,773 --> 02:34:51,773
those things. What I do here is that the csanamic

2347
02:34:51,794 --> 02:34:54,473
First Nation, who we've just taken enormous step down, the

2348
02:34:54,473 --> 02:34:58,333
road, as I reminded everyone tonight, towards reconciliation, by ensuring

2349
02:34:58,514 --> 02:35:00,573
they'll actually have the right to vote for mayor and

2350
02:35:00,613 --> 02:35:02,253
counsel of this city with whom they have been working

2351
02:35:02,914 --> 02:35:05,853
diligently in the last several years with a protocol agreement

2352
02:35:05,874 --> 02:35:09,213
working group have basically said, hold your horses folks. Could

2353
02:35:09,213 --> 02:35:12,173
you please consult with us not do anything further for

2354
02:35:12,213 --> 02:35:15,373
the time being? Uh, that would be enough for me,

2355
02:35:15,373 --> 02:35:18,573
let alone that need to consult with the port authority

2356
02:35:19,154 --> 02:35:22,093
and the Community generally. We also have finally, and this

2357
02:35:22,093 --> 02:35:24,413
will not please some folks because they seem to have

2358
02:35:24,413 --> 02:35:27,533
become the whipping boy in the community around heavy industry.

2359
02:35:27,533 --> 02:35:30,093
But a letter from Mr. Sadler on behalf of the

2360
02:35:30,093 --> 02:35:33,193
Namo Forest Product saying, as did everybody else in the

2361
02:35:33,193 --> 02:35:36,733
community, just saw the report that was prepared by staff,

2362
02:35:36,733 --> 02:35:38,973
which we received just last week in accordance with the

2363
02:35:39,074 --> 02:35:42,093
agenda, like everybody else, saying thank you for the opportunity

2364
02:35:42,194 --> 02:35:44,573
to review and provide plum or any comments on this

2365
02:35:44,613 --> 02:35:47,933
evening. I will planning a department emissions intensive heavy industry

2366
02:35:47,954 --> 02:35:52,013
uses report to Council in advance of the July 27,

2367
02:35:52,013 --> 02:35:55,533
2026 Special Counsel meeting. That stated July 24th. That's when

2368
02:35:55,714 --> 02:35:59,333
it's public for everybody. We ask that counts prior to

2369
02:35:59,333 --> 02:36:01,773
Council adopting any of the options presented in the report

2370
02:36:01,813 --> 02:36:05,213
that staff and council invite all I for landowners to

2371
02:36:05,234 --> 02:36:08,493
participate in a thorough consultation to review the current uses

2372
02:36:08,594 --> 02:36:11,533
and the impacts of proposed restrictions on existing businesses and

2373
02:36:11,554 --> 02:36:14,493
future plans for those businesses. Because this isn't just about

2374
02:36:14,834 --> 02:36:18,413
today about existing industry. This is about what the Community's

2375
02:36:18,453 --> 02:36:22,380
Future might look like. And with respect, it's becoming pretty

2376
02:36:22,801 --> 02:36:25,260
obvious. I would hope in this community, given the protests

2377
02:36:25,300 --> 02:36:28,140
around taxation levels, that if you don't have an industrial

2378
02:36:28,241 --> 02:36:30,940
base, then you have to tax residential owners more to

2379
02:36:30,961 --> 02:36:33,820
pay for what everyone wants and seems to regard as

2380
02:36:33,860 --> 02:36:37,180
important. I was much moved by the honest response around

2381
02:36:38,241 --> 02:36:41,340
poverty and isolation being significant contributors to the health of

2382
02:36:41,340 --> 02:36:44,620
the community and its citizens. So unless someone can convince

2383
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:47,000
me, and I doubt very much they're going to, for

2384
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,265
you can tell from the tone of my voice. That

2385
02:36:49,305 --> 02:36:53,265
there is no necessity to do this tonight. Deferl is

2386
02:36:53,265 --> 02:36:56,305
the appropriate thing. Process is important. It is the ways

2387
02:36:56,345 --> 02:36:59,185
our society operates. I'm going to support the motion to

2388
02:36:59,286 --> 02:37:03,345
defer until the Community Consultation. I am not about to

2389
02:37:03,366 --> 02:37:07,185
participate in creating a controversy tonight by trying to pass

2390
02:37:07,286 --> 02:37:10,545
a motion. It'll simply further divide this community. We've already

2391
02:37:10,726 --> 02:37:13,345
had enough submissions in the last few months about various

2392
02:37:13,446 --> 02:37:17,385
attitudes about heavy industry and employment and the economy. I

2393
02:37:17,385 --> 02:37:19,105
think it's time for us to take a step back.

2394
02:37:19,961 --> 02:37:23,380
Defer this, discuss it, get staff to do their work,

2395
02:37:23,420 --> 02:37:25,780
listen to the public, give the public a full opportunity

2396
02:37:25,820 --> 02:37:30,983
to be heard. Strikes me as logical. Never hurts to

2397
02:37:30,983 --> 02:37:34,263
listen. It does not always pay, however, just to talk.

2398
02:37:34,263 --> 02:37:37,863
So motions on the floor to defer all those in

2399
02:37:37,863 --> 02:37:42,503
favor, councillors Armstrong, East Bear, Hemmons, Mayor Crowg, Councillor Thorpe,

2400
02:37:42,524 --> 02:37:47,943
Count Soprino, and those opposed. Councillors Gesselbrock, Brown, and Manley.

2401
02:37:47,943 --> 02:37:50,583
This matter is deferred. Thank you very much. I appreciate

2402
02:37:50,604 --> 02:37:53,063
it. Now we can have an evening break and staff

2403
02:37:53,084 --> 02:37:55,223
can get a bit of a rest. We'll reconvene in

2404
02:37:55,263 --> 02:37:55,943
10 minutes. Thank you.

2405
02:38:22,817 --> 02:38:25,676
The other business item to be next. Oh yes, pardon

2406
02:38:25,676 --> 02:38:27,756
me, yes. Sorry about that. Can we bring forward please

2407
02:38:28,817 --> 02:38:31,836
Councillor East Mears motion read the lost intersections public art

2408
02:38:31,857 --> 02:38:33,916
installations? We do have a delegation. I don't think the

2409
02:38:34,417 --> 02:38:36,476
poor person should have to sit here all night very

2410
02:38:36,577 --> 02:38:41,828
wisely, thank you. Unless someone objects mightily. So Councillor Eastmer,

2411
02:38:41,828 --> 02:38:49,593
it's your motion. 17B. Thank you. So the motion that

2412
02:38:49,694 --> 02:38:53,273
Council Direct staff to prepare a report identifying the process

2413
02:38:53,854 --> 02:38:59,113
and estimated costs to acquire the three lost intersections temporary

2414
02:38:59,454 --> 02:39:03,113
public art installations by Jackie Wong for inclusion in the

2415
02:39:03,294 --> 02:39:06,793
city's permanent public art collection as a lasting recognition of

2416
02:39:06,974 --> 02:39:11,033
Nanaimo's Chinese Canadian Heritage, including the purchase of the artwork

2417
02:39:11,033 --> 02:39:15,353
from the artist permanent installation requirements at all three installation

2418
02:39:15,393 --> 02:39:20,073
sites and ongoing operating and capital costs for inspection, maintenance

2419
02:39:20,254 --> 02:39:23,673
repair replacement and long - term stewardship. Ms. Gurry, do

2420
02:39:23,713 --> 02:39:26,473
we have to have it seconded first before I invite

2421
02:39:26,494 --> 02:39:31,193
the delegation? No, actually, so we would have the delegation

2422
02:39:31,233 --> 02:39:39,833
speak before you debate the lansu. My pronouncing it correctly,

2423
02:39:39,833 --> 02:39:43,391
I hope. Very good. Come to the mic, please, if

2424
02:39:43,431 --> 02:39:46,111
you could just introduce yourself formally for the record. You'll

2425
02:39:46,111 --> 02:39:47,931
have five minutes, man. There's a minute left. I'll let

2426
02:39:47,931 --> 02:39:51,188
you know. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening Mayor and

2427
02:39:51,228 --> 02:39:54,934
Council. Thank you for giving me this opportunity today. My

2428
02:39:54,974 --> 02:39:58,694
name is Gulan Su, and I also go by Emily.

2429
02:39:59,913 --> 02:40:03,412
I hold master degree in media and culture studies in

2430
02:40:03,673 --> 02:40:07,492
Lancaster University from the UK. And I'm a relatively new

2431
02:40:07,833 --> 02:40:12,532
immigrant from China. And NIMO has become my new home.

2432
02:40:13,298 --> 02:40:17,597
When I first arrived here, I noted that Nanaima's public

2433
02:40:17,858 --> 02:40:23,357
spaces reflected the history of European settlement alongside the rich

2434
02:40:23,397 --> 02:40:27,917
and visible history and culture of the Sunaina Nanaemoks'first nation.

2435
02:40:28,986 --> 02:40:32,885
What surprised me was how later I saw the Chinese

2436
02:40:33,146 --> 02:40:38,908
Community that also helped build an AMO. That changed when

2437
02:40:38,929 --> 02:40:43,868
I visited the Chinatown exhibition and learned about the cities

2438
02:40:43,889 --> 02:40:47,789
Chinese history. As I learned more about in the name

2439
02:40:47,810 --> 02:40:52,109
of history, I realised that Chinese people were not a

2440
02:40:52,149 --> 02:40:57,483
small note in the cities past. They helped build its

2441
02:40:57,504 --> 02:41:02,620
economy foundations. They worked in the Coal Mines helped build

2442
02:41:02,801 --> 02:41:08,620
the railway supporting the harbour economy operated laundries and small

2443
02:41:08,620 --> 02:41:14,700
businesses and supplies food through market gardens. Their labour helps

2444
02:41:14,700 --> 02:41:18,628
shape the enamel we know today. I also learned about

2445
02:41:19,129 --> 02:41:25,988
the tragic 1887 My Explosion where 150 miners lost their

2446
02:41:26,009 --> 02:41:29,748
lives more than one third of them who died, which

2447
02:41:29,748 --> 02:41:35,348
is 53 minors, what Chinese. What struck me most was

2448
02:41:35,849 --> 02:41:39,908
that many of the Chinese victims were recorded only by

2449
02:41:40,809 --> 02:41:46,546
payroll numbers instead of their names. That details stay with

2450
02:41:46,546 --> 02:41:52,066
me. It reminded me that why Chinese workers helped build

2451
02:41:52,167 --> 02:41:56,466
these cities. They were not always recognised as equal member

2452
02:41:56,487 --> 02:42:01,854
of it. I also learned about decades of discrimination from

2453
02:42:02,035 --> 02:42:06,174
the head tags to the Chinese exclusion Act and how

2454
02:42:06,275 --> 02:42:16,014
Chinese Communities faced exclusion, isolation and reputative display mes. I

2455
02:42:16,014 --> 02:42:19,934
don't share these history to assign blame. We cannot change

2456
02:42:20,035 --> 02:42:24,574
what happened, but we can choose how we acknowledge it

2457
02:42:24,614 --> 02:42:30,699
today. To me, preserving lost intersections is one meaningful way

2458
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:36,779
of giving greater visibility to people whose contributions helped build

2459
02:42:36,880 --> 02:42:41,339
an ammo. But whose stories have not always been sane.

2460
02:42:42,946 --> 02:42:48,005
Canada has taken importance steps towards acknowledging difficult parts of

2461
02:42:48,066 --> 02:42:54,125
its history and working towards reconciliation. I believe recognising the

2462
02:42:54,165 --> 02:42:58,685
history of Chinese Canadian is part of the same commitment

2463
02:42:59,666 --> 02:43:04,445
to remember those whose contributions were overlooked and to ensure

2464
02:43:04,626 --> 02:43:09,325
that our public spaces reflect the full story of our

2465
02:43:09,365 --> 02:43:16,065
community. I respectfully encourage counsel to support exploring the accusation

2466
02:43:16,105 --> 02:43:20,385
of these artworks as a permanent part of the Naimos

2467
02:43:20,406 --> 02:43:25,385
Public Landscapes. I also hope that this is only the

2468
02:43:25,566 --> 02:43:30,025
beginning. I hope we continue to see more public art

2469
02:43:30,606 --> 02:43:34,345
that tells the story of Chinese Canadians as well as

2470
02:43:34,686 --> 02:43:40,345
other communities whose contributions have helped shape the name of.

2471
02:43:40,345 --> 02:43:44,025
Thank you very much for your time and considerations. Thank

2472
02:43:44,025 --> 02:43:48,924
you very much. Any questions of the delegation. I don't

2473
02:43:48,964 --> 02:43:50,364
have a question, but I just want to say thank

2474
02:43:50,404 --> 02:43:52,764
you very much for coming to share your perspective on

2475
02:43:52,804 --> 02:43:57,601
this. Thank you so much, Mayor Time. Thank you. Councillor

2476
02:43:57,622 --> 02:44:00,641
Eastmare. You're moving your motion? I am moving my motion.

2477
02:44:00,662 --> 02:44:07,791
And we have a secondary encounter Armstrong. You want to

2478
02:44:07,791 --> 02:44:10,031
speak to Councillor? I would love to. Yes, thank you.

2479
02:44:10,692 --> 02:44:15,071
So Lost Intersections by Artist Jackie Wong is a public

2480
02:44:15,332 --> 02:44:18,351
art project that highlights an often overlooked part of our

2481
02:44:18,372 --> 02:44:22,024
history. And I'm not sure if everyone has had a

2482
02:44:22,024 --> 02:44:25,064
chance to see these installations yet, but they are three

2483
02:44:25,165 --> 02:44:29,464
neon installations that are placed at historical intersections. And they

2484
02:44:29,565 --> 02:44:34,584
mark the former sites of Nanaimo's three Chinatowns, which were

2485
02:44:34,584 --> 02:44:38,184
once vibrant centres of Community Culture and Resilience for Chinese

2486
02:44:38,285 --> 02:44:45,476
immigrants. The first one was at Esplanade in Victoria from

2487
02:44:45,577 --> 02:44:49,796
the 1860s to 1884. The second was at View Street

2488
02:44:50,297 --> 02:44:54,916
and Bing Key Street from 1884 to 1908. And the

2489
02:44:55,657 --> 02:45:00,116
third at Pine Street and Hecket from 1908 to the

2490
02:45:00,156 --> 02:45:02,836
1960s was said to have a population of about 1200

2491
02:45:02,836 --> 02:45:06,116
people at the height of its existence before it was

2492
02:45:06,156 --> 02:45:09,602
also destroyed by a fire. And in speaking with members

2493
02:45:09,623 --> 02:45:13,842
of the Chinese Community here in Nanaimo, the obviously an

2494
02:45:13,842 --> 02:45:16,562
understandably, a very strong desire to better recognise the history

2495
02:45:16,823 --> 02:45:20,562
and the many contributions of the Chinese immigrants and Chinese

2496
02:45:20,663 --> 02:45:23,762
Community here in Nanaimo since the 1860s. And I wasn't

2497
02:45:23,783 --> 02:45:26,482
time to Nanaimo had the third largest Chinatown in all

2498
02:45:26,482 --> 02:45:31,033
of BC. And in addition to refurbishing the town site

2499
02:45:31,294 --> 02:45:35,673
Chinese cemetery, which is a priority, I'm hearing a shared

2500
02:45:35,694 --> 02:45:38,953
desire from amongst many Chinese Community Groups in Nanaimo, including

2501
02:45:39,854 --> 02:45:44,153
the Nanaimo Chinese cultural Society and Nanaimo Chinese Freemasons and

2502
02:45:44,193 --> 02:45:48,873
Historical Experts, including Dr. Imogene Lim and Community Advocates to

2503
02:45:48,913 --> 02:45:53,113
make the lost intersections pieces permanent. And as chair of

2504
02:45:53,113 --> 02:45:56,473
the city's advisory committee on accessibility and inclusiveness, I see

2505
02:45:56,574 --> 02:46:01,433
a recognition of the contributions of Chinese immigrants as part

2506
02:46:01,473 --> 02:46:05,593
of the inclusiveness aspect of my commitment to this work.

2507
02:46:05,593 --> 02:46:08,953
And these installations are small, but they're bright, they're beautiful.

2508
02:46:08,953 --> 02:46:12,073
And I think they're really important markers where there has

2509
02:46:12,073 --> 02:46:14,553
been no recognition before. And I don't want to lose

2510
02:46:15,694 --> 02:46:20,793
these formerly lost intersections when the temporary art contract expires.

2511
02:46:20,793 --> 02:46:23,353
And I think they really present an excellent jumping off

2512
02:46:23,374 --> 02:46:26,393
point to build from. I would love to lock these

2513
02:46:26,494 --> 02:46:28,233
in sooner rather than later so that we have something

2514
02:46:28,334 --> 02:46:32,073
permanent. And these can act as anchors in these locations

2515
02:46:32,334 --> 02:46:34,553
so we can add to these areas with more placemaking

2516
02:46:34,593 --> 02:46:39,833
elements, including informational plaques or educational installations to better recognise

2517
02:46:40,014 --> 02:46:43,033
and celebrate the vital contributions of the Chinese Community here

2518
02:46:43,073 --> 02:46:48,022
in Animo. Thank you very much. Councillor Armstrong and Council

2519
02:46:48,062 --> 02:46:51,142
Preno. Thank you. Just I wanted to thank Councillor Eastmire

2520
02:46:51,142 --> 02:46:53,462
on behalf of the Chinese Cultural Society who reached out

2521
02:46:53,483 --> 02:46:56,742
to say they were very thankful for making this motion.

2522
02:46:56,742 --> 02:46:59,622
And they're very appreciative and hope it passes. So on

2523
02:46:59,662 --> 02:47:03,702
behalf of them, thank you. Thank you and Council Prenons.

2524
02:47:03,742 --> 02:47:05,822
Thank you. You worship just a very quick question. So

2525
02:47:05,822 --> 02:47:08,582
I understand that we are asking staff to prepare a

2526
02:47:08,622 --> 02:47:15,382
report about the three different art installations and the costs

2527
02:47:15,403 --> 02:47:17,462
with them. Any idea when we'll get that report back.

2528
02:47:20,458 --> 02:47:23,797
Ms. Popelsinger. Through your worship to Councillo Prino, we'll do

2529
02:47:23,797 --> 02:47:25,317
our best to get it back to you as soon

2530
02:47:25,317 --> 02:47:29,157
as possible. Obviously we have a big break before. Right,

2531
02:47:29,157 --> 02:47:31,077
I know. But our aim will be to get back

2532
02:47:31,098 --> 02:47:33,997
to as soon as we can with the numbers. So

2533
02:47:33,997 --> 02:47:36,677
you have an understanding of the cost. Great. Thank you.

2534
02:47:36,677 --> 02:47:38,657
I'm thinking too of the budget. So yeah, thank you

2535
02:47:38,657 --> 02:47:45,317
very much. Thank you Councillor Hemmons. Thank you, worship. When,

2536
02:47:45,317 --> 02:47:48,117
if this motion does not pass or this motion did

2537
02:47:48,157 --> 02:47:50,517
not exist, when would the art Installation be coming down.

2538
02:47:53,089 --> 02:47:55,468
Through your worship to Councillor Hemmons, I would have to

2539
02:47:55,569 --> 02:47:59,708
check. It looks like maybe Council East Fair might have

2540
02:47:59,748 --> 02:48:09,364
been answer for us. Councillor Ishmir. They are. Initially it

2541
02:48:09,364 --> 02:48:13,670
was a five - year contract. And with art pieces

2542
02:48:13,670 --> 02:48:15,990
like this after that contract is upped and the opportunity

2543
02:48:16,171 --> 02:48:18,790
for the city to explore with the artist's potentially acquiring

2544
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:21,190
the artwork if the artist is interested. I've spoken to

2545
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:23,910
the artist. They're actually very interested in the city acquiring

2546
02:48:24,491 --> 02:48:28,870
it sooner than that. And in terms of ongoing maintenance,

2547
02:48:29,611 --> 02:48:32,630
these pieces are built in a pretty robust way and

2548
02:48:32,670 --> 02:48:36,310
they are powered with solar panels. And so they are

2549
02:48:36,350 --> 02:48:40,310
built to last and have good potential to become permanent

2550
02:48:40,331 --> 02:48:45,190
pieces. I'm sorry, I didn't hear the answer there. When

2551
02:48:45,230 --> 02:48:49,974
are they expecting five years from. Ah, so they were

2552
02:48:50,014 --> 02:48:52,774
installed in February of this year. Typically after five years,

2553
02:48:52,774 --> 02:48:54,534
we have the opportunity to purchase, but we're looking to

2554
02:48:54,635 --> 02:48:59,116
purchase now. Okay. I want to - To your worship

2555
02:48:59,137 --> 02:49:01,276
to Council, we can come back with options on that.

2556
02:49:03,728 --> 02:49:06,347
Have we ever purchased any of the public art installations

2557
02:49:06,347 --> 02:49:10,987
before? Maybe the reportship to Council we have. And I'm

2558
02:49:10,987 --> 02:49:14,975
trying to think of. - It's okay. I think it's

2559
02:49:15,015 --> 02:49:16,975
included in the report. I just want the whole content.

2560
02:49:17,499 --> 02:49:20,518
Yes. It hasn't been frequent, but we have acquired some

2561
02:49:20,518 --> 02:49:26,777
of the pieces over the years. Okay, thank you. I

2562
02:49:26,817 --> 02:49:33,417
love this installation. Um, I think it's a really beautiful,

2563
02:49:33,417 --> 02:49:38,959
simple mark. Um, to our complex history. My questions, however,

2564
02:49:39,620 --> 02:49:44,059
are based upon just the process here and understanding, you

2565
02:49:44,059 --> 02:49:45,679
know, should we wait for years and then purchase it.

2566
02:49:46,321 --> 02:49:50,700
Like, so I'm happy together to report. I support it.

2567
02:49:50,700 --> 02:49:54,860
I love the installation. And I'm looking forward to getting

2568
02:49:54,900 --> 02:49:56,780
the report so I can weigh it out a little

2569
02:49:56,780 --> 02:50:03,610
bit more. Thank you. Thank you. Anything further motions on

2570
02:50:03,610 --> 02:50:06,970
the table, all those in favor and any opposed, none

2571
02:50:07,010 --> 02:50:12,798
motion carries. Thank you very much. Excuse me, back to

2572
02:50:12,979 --> 02:50:18,660
development reports, pardon me, back to. The quarterly purchasing report,

2573
02:50:18,660 --> 02:50:22,180
Singlan Solster's purchase, quarterly perching reports, and socialist purchase and

2574
02:50:22,220 --> 02:50:27,060
access of 2250, 000, and then Ms. Mercer, you're going

2575
02:50:27,060 --> 02:50:29,540
to do it all at once, right? Bless you. Yeah,

2576
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:32,340
thank you, your worship. Yeah, I will, um, as all

2577
02:50:32,380 --> 02:50:35,780
the reports are the same just for three different quarters.

2578
02:50:35,780 --> 02:50:39,060
Um, so per the city's procurement policy, this report provides

2579
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:42,740
the committee with information on those sole source, single submission

2580
02:50:42,761 --> 02:50:48,660
purchases and policy compliance for October to December, 2025, January

2581
02:50:48,761 --> 02:50:52,749
to March, 2026, and April to June, 2026. Uh, in

2582
02:50:52,749 --> 02:50:55,789
each report, attachment one outlines the soul and single source

2583
02:50:55,789 --> 02:51:00,669
purchases attachment to outlines purchases over 250, 000. And there

2584
02:51:00,709 --> 02:51:04,349
were no instances of noncompliant with the procurement policy in

2585
02:51:04,370 --> 02:51:07,411
any of those reporting periods. So staff are here to

2586
02:51:07,432 --> 02:51:11,169
answer questions if you have any. Thank you very much.

2587
02:51:11,169 --> 02:51:15,420
Any questions for Ms. Mercer. Not seeing any, we're driving

2588
02:51:15,441 --> 02:51:23,278
staff too hard. Uh, thank you very much. And it's

2589
02:51:23,318 --> 02:51:26,798
the quarterly purchasing report signals for success of 200. Well,

2590
02:51:26,798 --> 02:51:30,878
hang on. And instances of exceptions to trade, we know

2591
02:51:30,878 --> 02:51:33,518
you've covered that as well. Sorry. We're cutting out more

2592
02:51:33,558 --> 02:51:37,439
Mr. Holm. I just felt badly. Sorry. Uh, next is

2593
02:51:38,020 --> 02:51:41,759
13 development reports. First is Development Variance, Primit Application, number

2594
02:51:41,759 --> 02:51:48,468
DVP495 - 1451 Belford Avenue. Is there anyone present who

2595
02:51:48,508 --> 02:51:52,628
wishes to speak to development variance, pyramid application number DVP495

2596
02:51:52,649 --> 02:51:59,972
- 145 when Belfort Avenue. I'm not seeing any, motion.

2597
02:51:59,972 --> 02:52:03,812
Move Councillor Thorpe, Secretary Council Perino, all those in favor,

2598
02:52:03,812 --> 02:52:07,616
any opposed, none motion carries. Thank you very much. Uh,

2599
02:52:07,637 --> 02:52:12,736
the next is rezoning application number RA509 - 2080 and

2600
02:52:12,757 --> 02:52:19,931
2160 East Wellington Road. We do have a presentation. Mr.

2601
02:52:19,952 --> 02:52:23,771
Holland. Looks like you've been left alone tonight. Your cohorts

2602
02:52:23,792 --> 02:52:26,802
of WYSE Gone Home to bed. Which is where I'd

2603
02:52:26,802 --> 02:52:29,282
like to be. I think we have one online, your

2604
02:52:29,282 --> 02:52:33,481
worship. Oh goodness. Yes. You still might be eating heart.

2605
02:52:33,481 --> 02:52:36,491
And who have we got online. Uh, we have the

2606
02:52:36,992 --> 02:52:40,811
Glenn Pro from Highland Properties. Uh, very good. Thanks to

2607
02:52:40,851 --> 02:52:45,119
here from you. Uh, the floor is yours. Thank you.

2608
02:52:45,119 --> 02:52:46,559
Your worship council. It's a pleasure to be here this

2609
02:52:46,599 --> 02:52:48,559
evening. My name is Mark Holland. I'm with West Plan

2610
02:52:49,060 --> 02:52:51,999
for planners that are supporting the landowner through this process.

2611
02:52:52,039 --> 02:52:53,839
Uh, it's a real pleasure to be here this evening.

2612
02:52:53,839 --> 02:52:56,459
We've been working on this project for many years. Uh,

2613
02:52:56,500 --> 02:52:59,919
this has been quite a process. Uh, the environment has

2614
02:52:59,959 --> 02:53:03,579
figured very, very strongly and prominently in this process. Uh,

2615
02:53:03,579 --> 02:53:06,319
that brings us here today for first and second reading.

2616
02:53:06,340 --> 02:53:08,959
Um, we've done quite a few technical studies and we've

2617
02:53:08,959 --> 02:53:11,599
had community engagement and a good focus of what I

2618
02:53:11,599 --> 02:53:13,599
want to speak about are the things that the community

2619
02:53:13,620 --> 02:53:16,399
spoke about that they were concerned about, not dissimilar from

2620
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:20,349
what we've heard earlier today. The site is a 25

2621
02:53:20,690 --> 02:53:23,309
hectare site that we're all familiar with in terms of

2622
02:53:23,330 --> 02:53:26,829
its trees. This is between East Wellington, the overpass over

2623
02:53:26,869 --> 02:53:31,849
the parkway and Northfield or the tourist centre is, uh,

2624
02:53:32,050 --> 02:53:34,589
minus one small property around the tourist centre. So it's

2625
02:53:34,589 --> 02:53:38,269
that large area of trees back there. Your OCP has

2626
02:53:38,290 --> 02:53:41,389
the whole area designated for light industrial. And at this

2627
02:53:41,389 --> 02:53:43,469
point, I'd just like to go on the record since

2628
02:53:43,509 --> 02:53:47,389
we're using the word industry after tonight. This is specifically

2629
02:53:47,650 --> 02:53:49,949
not the type of industry that we've spent quite a

2630
02:53:49,949 --> 02:53:52,669
bit of this evening speaking about. In fact, all of

2631
02:53:52,669 --> 02:53:55,949
the heavy industry, all of the emitting uses are outright

2632
02:53:56,210 --> 02:53:59,469
completely prohibited in this area. This is a light industry

2633
02:53:59,490 --> 02:54:03,018
conversation. Very, very similar to what you find in Boxwood.

2634
02:54:03,018 --> 02:54:05,018
So in some ways you can imagine this as twinning

2635
02:54:05,039 --> 02:54:08,517
boxwood on the other side of the parkway. The site

2636
02:54:08,538 --> 02:54:11,477
is entirely undeveloped right now. Um, two of the key

2637
02:54:11,498 --> 02:54:13,637
issues that were raised by the community when we met

2638
02:54:13,677 --> 02:54:16,357
with them and really the two primary ones, environmental protection

2639
02:54:17,178 --> 02:54:20,277
and transportation mobility. So I'd like to speak to both

2640
02:54:20,317 --> 02:54:23,317
of those. The environment figured prominently it was the first

2641
02:54:23,658 --> 02:54:25,477
studies we did. In fact, we had about a six

2642
02:54:25,498 --> 02:54:28,117
month delay on the project because we needed to wait

2643
02:54:28,138 --> 02:54:30,757
for precisely the right weather. It wasn't just the season

2644
02:54:31,178 --> 02:54:33,317
we had to wait for the right weather before we

2645
02:54:33,317 --> 02:54:36,357
did the environmental and riparian study. So it was, it

2646
02:54:36,458 --> 02:54:39,637
was, um, the qualified environmental professionals. We waited till they

2647
02:54:39,677 --> 02:54:42,037
said we could go out and do this. Uh, I'm

2648
02:54:42,077 --> 02:54:44,837
pleased to note of the outset that over 50 percent

2649
02:54:44,837 --> 02:54:49,188
of this site. Will be protected as environmental or park

2650
02:54:49,289 --> 02:54:51,188
or open space. It's very rare that I've ever been

2651
02:54:51,209 --> 02:54:53,508
at a microphone being able to talk about industrial project

2652
02:54:53,609 --> 02:54:55,828
and say half of it will be protected as Parker

2653
02:54:55,868 --> 02:55:00,870
Open Space. Uh, furthermore. Were the rezoning level here. So

2654
02:55:00,870 --> 02:55:04,430
the state many steps ahead before anything could be built.

2655
02:55:04,430 --> 02:55:06,670
Next step would be subdivisione to begin to create some

2656
02:55:06,691 --> 02:55:11,150
specific parcels. And then development permits further environmental work will

2657
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:14,190
be done on every parcel before this thing moves forward.

2658
02:55:14,291 --> 02:55:16,910
So there are many checks and balances ahead to look

2659
02:55:16,931 --> 02:55:20,830
after the community's commitments to environment while we pursue the

2660
02:55:20,931 --> 02:55:24,190
economic and employment goals that are in the OCP. Finally

2661
02:55:24,230 --> 02:55:27,230
on that point, the 15 metre buffer, uh, along the

2662
02:55:27,230 --> 02:55:29,390
highway will be protected because we all love that sort

2663
02:55:29,390 --> 02:55:32,030
of rural feel through that strip. And in fact, most

2664
02:55:32,131 --> 02:55:35,470
of the riparian and environmental protection areas are also in

2665
02:55:35,470 --> 02:55:38,430
that area. So when you're on the highway, even though

2666
02:55:38,430 --> 02:55:40,630
the employment area will have gone in, there's going to

2667
02:55:40,630 --> 02:55:42,990
be a very, very deep, dense area there of the

2668
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:45,950
environment that will continue to maintain that beautiful view that

2669
02:55:45,990 --> 02:55:49,540
you see when you look west. The project is structured

2670
02:55:49,881 --> 02:55:52,580
from the second point of view around mobility. This project

2671
02:55:52,841 --> 02:55:56,500
contributes a major step to a future important link between

2672
02:55:57,001 --> 02:56:00,820
East Wellington Road and Northfield Road. There's one piece of

2673
02:56:00,860 --> 02:56:03,460
land that is not owned by this landowner and is

2674
02:56:03,460 --> 02:56:05,060
therefore not part of this that would be the final

2675
02:56:05,321 --> 02:56:08,320
missing link right now where the tourist centre is. But

2676
02:56:08,320 --> 02:56:10,260
this road will be constructed to be part of that

2677
02:56:10,681 --> 02:56:12,980
future length that provides a lot more mobility on that

2678
02:56:13,161 --> 02:56:15,500
side of the highway, which right now has sort of

2679
02:56:15,801 --> 02:56:20,260
few north - south linkages in it. The project is

2680
02:56:20,260 --> 02:56:24,580
also going to contribute very significantly to upgrades along East

2681
02:56:24,601 --> 02:56:28,860
Wellington. Intersection upgrades, a major amount of money frontages, et

2682
02:56:28,860 --> 02:56:32,047
cetera will all be part of this process. The project

2683
02:56:32,308 --> 02:56:34,687
is obviously focused on employment. And this is one of

2684
02:56:34,708 --> 02:56:37,487
the conversations you had earlier this evening. And the trade

2685
02:56:37,487 --> 02:56:42,207
- off between environment and economy under certain circumstances. Working

2686
02:56:42,207 --> 02:56:44,527
with staff here, we've been pleased that they are quite

2687
02:56:44,527 --> 02:56:48,287
supportive of two, even three stories in this area since

2688
02:56:48,548 --> 02:56:51,867
your OCP capacity and vision this all for industry, but

2689
02:56:51,908 --> 02:56:54,927
we're protecting half of it for the environment. So staff

2690
02:56:54,948 --> 02:56:57,007
have been working with us in this zone to allow

2691
02:56:57,508 --> 02:57:01,007
more density and more things on the upper level floors.

2692
02:57:01,007 --> 02:57:03,967
A little more flexibility in the accessory uses. There will

2693
02:57:03,967 --> 02:57:07,167
be no sacrifice of the industrial at the ground plane.

2694
02:57:07,167 --> 02:57:09,647
This preserves the integrity of your commitment to light industry

2695
02:57:09,687 --> 02:57:13,007
here, that they'll allow a higher level of office uses

2696
02:57:13,268 --> 02:57:15,967
or food services or things on upper floors. So as

2697
02:57:16,007 --> 02:57:19,387
not to compromise the industrial foundation of the project, but

2698
02:57:19,387 --> 02:57:22,607
in order to achieve your employment goals of higher intensity

2699
02:57:22,708 --> 02:57:27,195
employment in the area. Finally, the landowner has agreed to

2700
02:57:27,216 --> 02:57:30,875
contribute very significant amount of money in community amenity charges.

2701
02:57:30,875 --> 02:57:32,715
It could be as high. We don't know until the

2702
02:57:32,755 --> 02:57:36,635
actual specific developments happen because that happens at building permit.

2703
02:57:36,635 --> 02:57:38,155
But it could be as high as well over a

2704
02:57:38,155 --> 02:57:40,715
million dollars. And I'm pleased to say the agreement is

2705
02:57:40,736 --> 02:57:44,155
to commit that equally between the two primary concerns of

2706
02:57:44,195 --> 02:57:47,595
the community. Mobility and Parks and Open Space. So this

2707
02:57:47,635 --> 02:57:50,795
will bring additional funds and money there. So in closing,

2708
02:57:50,816 --> 02:57:52,875
I'm pleased to be able to bring this forward to

2709
02:57:52,915 --> 02:57:55,835
you for first and second reading. Um, an area here

2710
02:57:55,856 --> 02:57:59,115
that will provide significant employment, protect over 50 percent of

2711
02:57:59,155 --> 02:58:03,195
the site for the environment, contribute to major important mobility

2712
02:58:03,296 --> 02:58:06,555
infrastructure for you in the future, uh, enhancement of public

2713
02:58:06,656 --> 02:58:11,035
walkways protection of key public views and significant financial contributions

2714
02:58:11,075 --> 02:58:14,678
to the community. The request in front of you here

2715
02:58:14,699 --> 02:58:17,558
with the motions is to allow this to take its

2716
02:58:17,659 --> 02:58:19,638
next step along its pathway. And that is to be

2717
02:58:19,678 --> 02:58:22,512
referred to a public hearing. Thank you for the opportunity

2718
02:58:22,512 --> 02:58:24,672
to speak. I can answer questions and we do have

2719
02:58:24,712 --> 02:58:26,992
the landowner rep as well if there are questions that

2720
02:58:26,992 --> 02:58:29,712
I can't answer. Thank you, worship. Thank you very much,

2721
02:58:29,712 --> 02:58:32,912
Mr. Holland. Councillo and then Councillor Hemmons. Thank you and

2722
02:58:32,952 --> 02:58:35,872
thank you Mr. Holland. Great presentation and very pleased to

2723
02:58:35,912 --> 02:58:40,192
hear the language that you use. We like that. Two

2724
02:58:40,192 --> 02:58:46,432
very quick questions. The pathway that goes both, um, well,

2725
02:58:46,432 --> 02:58:48,312
you know what I'm talking about. That'll be maintained. No

2726
02:58:48,312 --> 02:58:50,592
problem there. Walked at a thousand times. That's great. Thank

2727
02:58:50,592 --> 02:58:52,992
you so much. That's the first one. Um, under the

2728
02:58:53,093 --> 02:59:01,072
permitted uses, the zoning regulation. So permitted accessory uses daycare,

2729
02:59:01,072 --> 02:59:04,708
one dwelling unit per lot. Um, are you thinking of

2730
02:59:04,748 --> 02:59:10,308
putting any residential dwelling on top of, um, is that

2731
02:59:10,308 --> 02:59:14,138
in your plan at all. Thank you through your worship

2732
02:59:14,719 --> 02:59:17,978
residential is not a primary use. This is a, this

2733
02:59:17,978 --> 02:59:21,178
is a typical placeholder we find in zoning, uh, in

2734
02:59:21,178 --> 02:59:22,938
this case it would be like a caretaker's building or

2735
02:59:22,978 --> 02:59:26,458
something like that. In some cases, um, some industries would

2736
02:59:26,479 --> 02:59:28,698
like to have someone living on site. And so they

2737
02:59:28,698 --> 02:59:30,698
will allow a caretaker on that. This is really a

2738
02:59:30,738 --> 02:59:33,178
placeholder of that use. It's not a primary use. This

2739
02:59:33,178 --> 02:59:35,738
is not a residential project. You did use boxwood as

2740
02:59:35,778 --> 02:59:39,018
a similar setup. Okay. Good. Thank you very much. Thank

2741
02:59:39,058 --> 02:59:42,698
you. Thank you Councillor Hevins and then Councillor Manley. Thank

2742
02:59:42,698 --> 02:59:48,173
you, worship. Um. Random question. Are you aware that there

2743
02:59:48,173 --> 02:59:51,533
are large informal settlements in there? Okay. That's something that

2744
02:59:51,874 --> 02:59:54,603
your project team has considered. Thank you for your worship.

2745
02:59:54,603 --> 02:59:57,803
Yeah. The, the ownership group is in an ongoing continuous

2746
02:59:58,144 --> 03:00:00,923
state of stewardship of this area. So they have a

2747
03:00:00,963 --> 03:00:04,843
security firm that monitors that, but doesn't intervene if intervention

2748
03:00:04,883 --> 03:00:07,883
is required. It goes through the RCMP. And then they

2749
03:00:07,904 --> 03:00:11,323
come in with the security team and the owner comes

2750
03:00:11,323 --> 03:00:14,363
in and removes the garbage that piles up over time.

2751
03:00:14,363 --> 03:00:17,563
Um, it's, this is a, this is a situation you

2752
03:00:17,563 --> 03:00:19,323
all know well in the city here. It's a chronic

2753
03:00:19,424 --> 03:00:21,883
problem. A spin off of the housing crisis and other

2754
03:00:21,904 --> 03:00:24,523
crises that you deal with daily. So it's a stewardship

2755
03:00:24,544 --> 03:00:27,803
approach. They're just constantly maintaining that keeping the garbage from

2756
03:00:27,824 --> 03:00:30,923
piling up and following appropriate protocols and dealing with folks

2757
03:00:31,104 --> 03:00:33,643
who choose to live there. Thank you. I appreciate just

2758
03:00:33,643 --> 03:00:36,203
knowing that you're aware of it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank

2759
03:00:36,243 --> 03:00:39,806
you, Councillor Manley and the Council Spear. Thank you for

2760
03:00:39,806 --> 03:00:43,906
the presentation. Um, I really appreciate the amount of land

2761
03:00:43,906 --> 03:00:48,867
you're setting aside for environmental considerations. Um, a couple of

2762
03:00:48,888 --> 03:00:54,227
things. Just there's some degraded Gary Oak ecosystem in there.

2763
03:00:54,227 --> 03:00:58,787
And I'm curious whether your plan includes rehabilitating some of

2764
03:00:58,787 --> 03:01:01,187
that area to try to bring, bring back some of

2765
03:01:01,187 --> 03:01:06,108
that. Gary Oak system. Thank you through your worship. The

2766
03:01:06,929 --> 03:01:10,428
response to the specific sub areas in the environment there

2767
03:01:10,769 --> 03:01:13,388
will happen over two ways at the next right now.

2768
03:01:13,388 --> 03:01:15,548
This is a land use question when we get to

2769
03:01:15,588 --> 03:01:19,388
those areas. The biophysical examination that we'll be required of

2770
03:01:19,428 --> 03:01:22,588
that parcel or the parcels in that area, um, would

2771
03:01:22,588 --> 03:01:25,128
then begin to address what should be done there. And

2772
03:01:25,128 --> 03:01:27,468
the second point is that half of the CAC money

2773
03:01:27,569 --> 03:01:30,428
that would go that is intended for environmental and parks

2774
03:01:30,468 --> 03:01:32,588
uses. So there would be a budget there to begin

2775
03:01:32,588 --> 03:01:34,828
to take that on if that was the city's desire

2776
03:01:34,868 --> 03:01:37,948
in the discussions at that point. And just reading the

2777
03:01:37,969 --> 03:01:41,788
environmental assessment, are there going to be, an additional assessment

2778
03:01:43,089 --> 03:01:46,268
of the land? Yes. Okay. I know, I know that

2779
03:01:46,308 --> 03:01:49,708
there's some vernal pools in there that people have brought

2780
03:01:49,748 --> 03:01:52,988
to our attention. And, um, that there may be some

2781
03:01:54,289 --> 03:01:57,388
species at risk or rare species in there like we

2782
03:01:57,489 --> 03:02:00,428
have another spots. And then I'm on, um, and potentially

2783
03:02:00,689 --> 03:02:04,108
red legged frog, which is the use of fernal pools

2784
03:02:04,148 --> 03:02:06,108
because they, uh, they don't have to compete with the

2785
03:02:06,129 --> 03:02:09,148
bullfrogs in the swamps or frogs, the bulk frogs survive

2786
03:02:09,188 --> 03:02:11,867
in the throat. And the can't survive in the vernal

2787
03:02:11,907 --> 03:02:18,319
pools, but they. They outcompete the indigenous frogs in the,

2788
03:02:18,319 --> 03:02:22,879
um, in the other, uh, swamp areas in a deeper

2789
03:02:22,919 --> 03:02:25,759
pools. Yeah. So I just want to say, I appreciate

2790
03:02:26,500 --> 03:02:30,079
the work that's been done on protecting the environment on

2791
03:02:30,180 --> 03:02:34,319
this one. I think it's an important area to consider.

2792
03:02:34,319 --> 03:02:39,048
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Council Reesemeer. Thank

2793
03:02:39,088 --> 03:02:41,688
you through you. I'm not, I'm not sure if that

2794
03:02:41,789 --> 03:02:47,288
question addressed what I'm asking. But, um, in the environmental

2795
03:02:47,328 --> 03:02:51,448
assessment, it mentions that under the recommendations that a construction

2796
03:02:51,789 --> 03:02:54,808
environmental management plan should be prepared for each phase of

2797
03:02:54,848 --> 03:02:58,328
development, one's detailed designs are complete and prior to commencing

2798
03:02:58,368 --> 03:03:03,810
any site preparation works. Would that recommendation. Be followed? Absolutely.

2799
03:03:03,850 --> 03:03:08,130
Three worship. Yes. Each stage, um, when we're doing urban

2800
03:03:08,151 --> 03:03:10,610
projects, we kind of do a rezoning and a development

2801
03:03:10,711 --> 03:03:12,370
permit. And it all gets stacked on top of each

2802
03:03:12,370 --> 03:03:15,890
other. A project of this scale has many, those projects

2803
03:03:16,151 --> 03:03:19,170
are accordioned out. So this is a land use conversation.

2804
03:03:19,170 --> 03:03:23,490
And if Council, depending on community feedback and other things

2805
03:03:23,511 --> 03:03:27,450
you wish of Councillor Wisdom supports the land use, we

2806
03:03:27,450 --> 03:03:29,570
then need to go through a subdivision process. And that

2807
03:03:29,570 --> 03:03:31,650
would be phased. And then we have to come back

2808
03:03:31,671 --> 03:03:34,690
to the city for development permits for any individual building

2809
03:03:34,711 --> 03:03:38,370
within any one of those parcels. So we're, we're, the

2810
03:03:38,711 --> 03:03:42,690
horse has barely gotten out of the container. It has

2811
03:03:42,951 --> 03:03:45,730
multiple barns and stables and gates. It has to get

2812
03:03:45,730 --> 03:03:48,770
out of here and council has many, many points of

2813
03:03:48,770 --> 03:03:51,730
review over that. There will be environmental studies for each

2814
03:03:51,730 --> 03:03:54,210
of these projects here that have to be the environmental

2815
03:03:54,210 --> 03:03:56,530
issues have to be reviewed for each one of those.

2816
03:03:56,530 --> 03:04:00,392
Cause it's in an environmental DP area. Thank you. Yes.

2817
03:04:00,392 --> 03:04:03,592
It's a, it's a complicated and constrained site because of

2818
03:04:03,773 --> 03:04:08,697
the number of water courses and renal pools. And, um,

2819
03:04:09,458 --> 03:04:13,997
I, I see the, you know, high level perspective of

2820
03:04:14,258 --> 03:04:17,097
it'd be nice to have light industry here, but, um,

2821
03:04:18,338 --> 03:04:22,637
the environmental constraints make it challenging. And I look forward

2822
03:04:22,738 --> 03:04:25,837
to the further assessments that will be completed to give

2823
03:04:25,837 --> 03:04:28,077
us a closer picture of the area. I have another

2824
03:04:28,098 --> 03:04:35,428
question through to staff afterwards. Sir Armstrong. Sorry. Councillor Armstrong?

2825
03:04:35,609 --> 03:04:37,746
For staff. For staff. Do you want to ask a

2826
03:04:37,746 --> 03:04:39,666
question of staff? Well, if you don't mind. We know

2827
03:04:39,706 --> 03:04:43,306
that the sewer connection issues out in that area. Is

2828
03:04:43,306 --> 03:04:46,706
there any reason why the community can't go to contribution,

2829
03:04:46,706 --> 03:04:49,922
go towards the sewer. To help build a new sewer

2830
03:04:49,962 --> 03:04:54,242
connection? Like, I mean, that's critical. I mean, especially sandstone

2831
03:04:54,242 --> 03:04:56,482
as well going on board, like instead of, I know

2832
03:04:56,522 --> 03:04:58,642
what's nice to have, you know, your paths and all

2833
03:04:58,642 --> 03:05:01,795
that. But we need the sewer. I'd much rather see

2834
03:05:01,795 --> 03:05:03,155
money go to that. So we don't have to borrow

2835
03:05:03,176 --> 03:05:07,673
as much. Thank you through your worship council. I'm sorry.

2836
03:05:07,854 --> 03:05:11,193
So you're speaking to the, um, probably the millstone trunk

2837
03:05:11,534 --> 03:05:14,793
and some of the, uh, your report it says sewer

2838
03:05:14,793 --> 03:05:17,824
is going to be an issue. Some of the constraints.

2839
03:05:17,824 --> 03:05:22,624
Well, the project will address the, um, uh, sanitary issues

2840
03:05:22,664 --> 03:05:26,418
that are needed to support the project. Um, and there

2841
03:05:26,439 --> 03:05:31,538
are, uh, as Mr. Rosen and, uh, his staff presented,

2842
03:05:31,538 --> 03:05:36,958
uh, fairly recently to counsel, uh, identified sewer constraints, uh,

2843
03:05:37,159 --> 03:05:40,578
that, uh, the cities, the councils were aware of how

2844
03:05:40,599 --> 03:05:45,378
we'll be reporting back on options to fund to address.

2845
03:05:45,378 --> 03:05:48,018
If that's, I think that's what council Armstrong speaking to.

2846
03:05:48,018 --> 03:05:50,658
No, my question is, can we take the community amenity

2847
03:05:50,679 --> 03:05:55,021
contribution and put it towards the sewer upgrades. So the

2848
03:05:55,042 --> 03:06:00,061
sewer upgrades to address the project, the project will build.

2849
03:06:00,082 --> 03:06:02,861
No, I mean, our big issue. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the

2850
03:06:02,901 --> 03:06:04,861
timing, I think is, I was just kind of getting

2851
03:06:04,882 --> 03:06:08,301
to, I think the point I'm getting to, um, there

2852
03:06:08,301 --> 03:06:11,981
were a number of, um, uh, sewer constraint issues identified

2853
03:06:12,082 --> 03:06:13,981
that were brought to Council. So I think it's a

2854
03:06:13,981 --> 03:06:15,901
timing issue as well. Some of those are more critical.

2855
03:06:16,342 --> 03:06:19,361
Um, the funding from like the Community Manage Contribution that

2856
03:06:19,462 --> 03:06:22,461
we'd received through the project. It won't be coming, um,

2857
03:06:23,222 --> 03:06:27,241
in time. Okay. And, and in, in quantity, I would

2858
03:06:27,241 --> 03:06:31,041
say to really address the issues that, um, I appreciate

2859
03:06:31,041 --> 03:06:33,201
that. I was just wondering because it's going to be

2860
03:06:33,201 --> 03:06:39,484
expensive. Thanks. Thank you Councillor Eastmear. Thank you. My question

2861
03:06:39,745 --> 03:06:46,764
through to staff is whether the future development permits or

2862
03:06:46,865 --> 03:06:51,484
subdivision applications would for sure come back to council or

2863
03:06:51,524 --> 03:06:55,799
would they be delegated authority. Too early to determine, but

2864
03:06:55,799 --> 03:07:01,007
likely they would not come back to Council. So in,

2865
03:07:01,007 --> 03:07:03,647
uh, if I could maybe expand on that, um, so

2866
03:07:03,908 --> 03:07:07,567
some of what, um, what Mr. Holland has spoken to

2867
03:07:07,988 --> 03:07:10,435
and is identified in the report. You can see that

2868
03:07:10,536 --> 03:07:14,195
a number of conditions are identified as to be secured

2869
03:07:14,376 --> 03:07:17,475
through a master development agreement. So that's in Council's control,

2870
03:07:17,475 --> 03:07:23,715
including the construction environmental management plan that was, uh, the

2871
03:07:23,755 --> 03:07:26,355
question related to earlier. Uh, so those are items that

2872
03:07:26,616 --> 03:07:30,575
are secured through the rezoning to be addressed later, um,

2873
03:07:31,496 --> 03:07:35,235
and as well. So subdivision approval, obviously that's, um, outside

2874
03:07:35,336 --> 03:07:40,195
of, uh, councils authority, council sets the stage, the bylaws,

2875
03:07:40,195 --> 03:07:43,555
the requirements that apply the standards and the development perimeter

2876
03:07:43,555 --> 03:07:47,328
area requirements that apply. Uh, in the case of subdivision.

2877
03:07:48,065 --> 03:07:50,924
So council plays the role in setting the biola requirements

2878
03:07:51,105 --> 03:07:57,324
and the guidelines that apply, um, and development permit again

2879
03:07:57,324 --> 03:08:03,423
is follow the guidelines, development is permitted. Um, is, is

2880
03:08:03,444 --> 03:08:06,543
the pathway. That's the, that's the way that process works.

2881
03:08:06,543 --> 03:08:10,143
So council has played a role in second and will

2882
03:08:10,183 --> 03:08:13,023
continue to. The bylaw requirements and the guidelines that apply

2883
03:08:13,444 --> 03:08:18,223
to future subdivision and development permit. If the developer meets

2884
03:08:18,324 --> 03:08:22,363
the requirements follows the guidelines, complies with the guidelines, the

2885
03:08:22,363 --> 03:08:29,408
development is approved. So the permit is approved. Okay. And,

2886
03:08:29,408 --> 03:08:35,410
um. Pardon me, there's, I have another question. Sorry, and

2887
03:08:35,410 --> 03:08:36,950
I should have, I should have clarified that would be

2888
03:08:37,131 --> 03:08:40,550
whether or not that the permit is delegated or council

2889
03:08:40,590 --> 03:08:43,613
approved. If it complies with the guidelines, then it must

2890
03:08:43,613 --> 03:08:49,342
be approved. Just because of the complexity of this site,

2891
03:08:49,342 --> 03:08:51,422
is there a way to put a condition on the

2892
03:08:51,523 --> 03:08:56,382
rezoning that the development permit or future decisions would come

2893
03:08:56,422 --> 03:08:59,502
back to Council and not be delegated authority? No, that's

2894
03:08:59,502 --> 03:09:02,942
not possible. And I think again, if it complies with

2895
03:09:02,982 --> 03:09:08,331
the guidelines, then it must be approved. Okay. And one

2896
03:09:08,371 --> 03:09:11,931
more question from the environmental report, it mentioned that prior

2897
03:09:11,931 --> 03:09:15,771
to any plan development of the properties, the recommendation regarding

2898
03:09:16,032 --> 03:09:18,811
confirming whether any new policy or guidance documents have been

2899
03:09:18,851 --> 03:09:23,691
provided by the province of BC regarding wetland boundary identification

2900
03:09:23,712 --> 03:09:27,131
under the water sustainability Act or any future legislation that

2901
03:09:27,152 --> 03:09:32,971
applies to wetlands in BC because the wetland ecosystem boundaries

2902
03:09:33,152 --> 03:09:37,211
identified particularly in figure two were based on methods that

2903
03:09:37,251 --> 03:09:40,651
are not officially tied to the water sustainability Act and

2904
03:09:40,651 --> 03:09:43,851
it's understood that an official methodology or policy may be

2905
03:09:43,851 --> 03:09:46,491
developed sometime in the near future. Yes, I can speak

2906
03:09:46,531 --> 03:09:49,771
to that too. And, um, uh, through your worship to

2907
03:09:49,872 --> 03:09:55,131
Councillor Smire. So that's identifying that, um, so legislation is

2908
03:09:55,131 --> 03:09:59,691
changing regularly. It's a dynamic world in that regard. That's

2909
03:09:59,712 --> 03:10:04,651
just flagging, identifying that, um, we understand. And the qualified

2910
03:10:04,752 --> 03:10:09,291
environmental professional working for the, uh, the property owner understands

2911
03:10:09,312 --> 03:10:13,703
that the province is considering, uh, changes. Um, there's been

2912
03:10:14,124 --> 03:10:20,291
recently information released. Identifying that changes are pending. So we

2913
03:10:20,291 --> 03:10:23,331
need to be live to, uh, what the implications of

2914
03:10:23,352 --> 03:10:27,171
those changes are. And they may have, um, bearing, they

2915
03:10:27,171 --> 03:10:29,731
may have an impact on the proposed development. So we

2916
03:10:30,232 --> 03:10:34,511
will review, um, of course, the, uh, the development, um,

2917
03:10:34,632 --> 03:10:38,691
based on the, uh, requirements that apply at that time.

2918
03:10:38,691 --> 03:10:41,971
For instance, if they came forward next year, uh, with

2919
03:10:42,152 --> 03:10:44,771
say the rezoning was successful and they came forward next

2920
03:10:44,811 --> 03:10:48,621
year for subdivision. Uh, we would apply the guidelines, the

2921
03:10:48,661 --> 03:10:51,501
provincial requirements in place at the time. If they don't

2922
03:10:51,522 --> 03:10:54,861
come forward for five years, again, we apply the provincial

2923
03:10:54,861 --> 03:10:57,421
requirements in place at the time. And we update our

2924
03:10:58,642 --> 03:11:03,282
bylaws and our guidelines accordingly. Um, so that's just identifying

2925
03:11:03,322 --> 03:11:07,478
that in this case, we actually anticipate some changes. Um,

2926
03:11:07,659 --> 03:11:10,198
they can't be reflected in the assessments that have been

2927
03:11:10,238 --> 03:11:12,563
done at this point. Because, uh, they haven't been made

2928
03:11:12,603 --> 03:11:18,243
clear. They're not actually provincial policy at this point or

2929
03:11:18,243 --> 03:11:21,123
provincial requirements at this time. But we understand that there

2930
03:11:21,144 --> 03:11:26,395
are changes in the works. Thank you. And just to

2931
03:11:26,395 --> 03:11:30,315
confirm, so there is an additional environmental assessment that would

2932
03:11:30,496 --> 03:11:34,752
take place as a condition of this rezoning. There will

2933
03:11:34,752 --> 03:11:39,472
be three year worship. So there will be, yes, subsequent

2934
03:11:39,813 --> 03:11:43,660
approvals, depending on when they come forward. Will be evaluated

2935
03:11:43,841 --> 03:11:46,300
based on the requirements in place at the time that

2936
03:11:46,300 --> 03:11:52,380
they come forward. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Geselbrock.

2937
03:11:52,380 --> 03:11:56,460
You have a question. Great. Yeah. I think Councillor Eastmyr

2938
03:11:56,500 --> 03:11:59,180
raised, there was that section just about the water sustainability

2939
03:11:59,361 --> 03:12:02,200
act and that, um, in some cases, if it was

2940
03:12:02,200 --> 03:12:05,580
applied that it may be larger, uh, boundary. And I

2941
03:12:05,620 --> 03:12:08,780
just thought related at all to the conditions of rezoning.

2942
03:12:08,780 --> 03:12:12,540
And it says completed and updated biophysical assessment of the

2943
03:12:12,540 --> 03:12:15,900
properties by QEP in accordance with the environmental assessment recommendations

2944
03:12:15,921 --> 03:12:19,180
determined whether additional protections are necessary, including but not limited

2945
03:12:19,220 --> 03:12:23,420
to wetland alienation assessments under the applicable guidelines. Blah, blah,

2946
03:12:23,420 --> 03:12:26,460
blah. Is that what that point in the conditions of

2947
03:12:26,460 --> 03:12:29,500
rezoning that pertains to? Yes. Uh, yeah, through your worship

2948
03:12:29,540 --> 03:12:32,780
to Council, I guess for yes. So it's just, that's,

2949
03:12:32,780 --> 03:12:37,420
um, that's explicitly flagging that those reviews will take place.

2950
03:12:37,420 --> 03:12:40,600
So basically legislation that's in place at the time, um,

2951
03:12:41,201 --> 03:12:44,220
that the development moves forward through different stages. Dr. Thank

2952
03:12:44,220 --> 03:12:47,353
you for that clarification. Thank you very much. Thank you

2953
03:12:47,393 --> 03:12:51,178
for being so patient, Mr. Holland, Mr. Faye. And Mr.

2954
03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:54,698
Holm for your Folsom answers to this Councillor Eastern. Would

2955
03:12:54,698 --> 03:12:57,558
you care to move the motions? I'm a delegation. You

2956
03:12:57,558 --> 03:12:59,658
can have a seat now. Yes. Sorry.

2957
03:13:09,305 --> 03:13:14,164
Move that zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500. 258

2958
03:13:15,305 --> 03:13:19,604
to rezone 2080 East Wellington Road and 2160 East Wellington

2959
03:13:19,604 --> 03:13:25,883
Road from single dwelling residential R1 and Light Industrial. To

2960
03:13:25,984 --> 03:13:29,883
light industrial with site - specific accessory industrial office use

2961
03:13:29,923 --> 03:13:34,603
to facilitate a Lite Industrial Subdivision Pass First reading. Second

2962
03:13:34,643 --> 03:13:38,683
and Councillor Hemmons. All those in favor, any opposed, none

2963
03:13:38,723 --> 03:13:44,797
motion carries. Move that zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4500.

2964
03:13:44,837 --> 03:13:47,117
258 past second reading. I'd like to speak to it.

2965
03:13:47,965 --> 03:13:52,141
Second accident Councillor Thorpe. Councillor Brown. You've got a question

2966
03:13:52,882 --> 03:13:56,857
comment. Just a comment your ship. I think it was

2967
03:13:56,857 --> 03:14:00,637
like 15 years ago. I remember talking to Keith Brown.

2968
03:14:00,637 --> 03:14:02,637
His property was owned by Henry Remple at length about

2969
03:14:02,658 --> 03:14:06,623
it. Uh, that time it was the transfer of the

2970
03:14:07,124 --> 03:14:10,480
South Wellington Park there and making that come together. This

2971
03:14:10,520 --> 03:14:14,672
is a longtime vision, long time in the OCP. I

2972
03:14:14,672 --> 03:14:17,392
think it's well suited for, uh, and I appreciate the

2973
03:14:17,432 --> 03:14:20,672
efforts that have been made. So a long time coming.

2974
03:14:20,672 --> 03:14:23,072
A lot of effort over many years. Um, so just

2975
03:14:23,072 --> 03:14:25,301
want to say it has my support. Thanks. Thank you

2976
03:14:25,322 --> 03:14:29,621
very much. Councillor Manley and the Council Review. Thank you,

2977
03:14:29,621 --> 03:14:32,481
your worship. Yeah, I'm, uh, ready to support this. I'm

2978
03:14:32,481 --> 03:14:34,981
looking forward to the public hearing. I'm sure that we'll

2979
03:14:34,981 --> 03:14:37,541
hear a lot of different things about, about this area.

2980
03:14:37,541 --> 03:14:41,941
But this is the kind of, uh, light industry land

2981
03:14:41,941 --> 03:14:45,701
that we need in the NIMO. And, um, so you

2982
03:14:45,701 --> 03:14:55,277
know what. Thank you. Councillor Eashmir. Thank

2983
03:14:55,317 --> 03:14:58,797
you. I really appreciate the level of detail and information

2984
03:14:58,978 --> 03:15:01,997
provided in this application and the fact that the developer

2985
03:15:02,018 --> 03:15:06,397
reached out beforehand to give us an opportunity to ask

2986
03:15:06,498 --> 03:15:13,006
questions. Um. I really enjoyed reading the environmental report from

2987
03:15:13,046 --> 03:15:17,646
the QEP on this, the level of detail was excellent.

2988
03:15:17,646 --> 03:15:22,606
Um, it does seem like a tricky site to redevelop.

2989
03:15:22,606 --> 03:15:24,846
And when wetlands are something that the province is really

2990
03:15:24,886 --> 03:15:29,086
interested in protecting, it becomes hard for me to envision

2991
03:15:29,126 --> 03:15:35,858
how we can develop these areas. But I think potentially

2992
03:15:35,898 --> 03:15:37,778
the way that it can be done in a mindful

2993
03:15:37,818 --> 03:15:42,994
way. And, um. The mayor spoke earlier about nothing about

2994
03:15:43,015 --> 03:15:46,274
us without us. So I look forward to the community

2995
03:15:46,535 --> 03:15:49,234
having a chance to weigh in on this at the

2996
03:15:49,895 --> 03:15:52,194
public hearing that will take place as a result of

2997
03:15:52,375 --> 03:15:57,200
this passing tonight. Thank you. Motion is second reading. All

2998
03:15:57,200 --> 03:16:01,700
those in favor. Any opposed non motion carries, Councillor Eastmear.

2999
03:16:01,740 --> 03:16:03,620
Move the Council Direct staff to hold a public hearing

3000
03:16:03,641 --> 03:16:09,211
for zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500. 258. Secondary

3001
03:16:09,312 --> 03:16:13,051
Councillor Brown. All those in favor. Any opposed on motion

3002
03:16:13,072 --> 03:16:16,171
carry, Scout. Move that council direct staff to secure the

3003
03:16:16,171 --> 03:16:20,251
conditions related to zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500.

3004
03:16:20,291 --> 03:16:23,451
258 as outlined in attachment D of the staff report

3005
03:16:24,032 --> 03:16:30,571
titled Rezoning Application number, RA509 2080 and 2160 East Wellington

3006
03:16:30,611 --> 03:16:35,611
Road dated 2026, July 27th prior to final adoption. Second

3007
03:16:35,651 --> 03:16:38,731
and Councillor Henns. All those in favor, any opposed on

3008
03:16:38,752 --> 03:16:43,774
motion carries. Thank you. Uh, on to Cvelopment Permit Application

3009
03:16:43,955 --> 03:16:53,167
number DP1397 - 3679 Shenton Road. Jackson Lowe. Your worship

3010
03:16:53,167 --> 03:16:57,327
only if there's questions? Yeah. If there's questions for the

3011
03:16:57,367 --> 03:17:01,247
architect, they are in attendance via Zoom. Any questions for

3012
03:17:01,268 --> 03:17:05,887
Mr. Lowe, assuming we're still there. Councillor Armstrong. Good evening,

3013
03:17:05,887 --> 03:17:09,167
Mr. Lowe. Nice to see you. Thank you. I think

3014
03:17:09,348 --> 03:17:14,220
Councillor Armstrong, then Council, pardon me, Councillor. Perino and then

3015
03:17:14,241 --> 03:17:17,660
Armstrong. Have questions. Okay. Thank you. Your worship. And just

3016
03:17:17,660 --> 03:17:19,820
a very quick question to Mr. Lowe. My understanding is

3017
03:17:19,860 --> 03:17:23,420
that you're going to construct a three - story mixed

3018
03:17:23,441 --> 03:17:29,900
use development. That's great. Containing 17 multiple family - dwelling

3019
03:17:29,940 --> 03:17:32,859
units. Is that correct? I just wanted to verify. Correct.

3020
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:36,619
Very pleased to see it. We need to more homes

3021
03:17:36,880 --> 03:17:38,699
and that's a great area. And please to see that

3022
03:17:38,960 --> 03:17:42,105
come. I hope it goes through. Thank you. Thank you.

3023
03:17:43,085 --> 03:17:47,304
Thank you very much. Councillor Armstrong. Just a question on

3024
03:17:47,805 --> 03:17:53,844
what width you're using for small vehicle. Parking. My vehicle

3025
03:17:54,025 --> 03:17:57,262
is trying to remember. It's just whatever the zone bylaw

3026
03:17:57,443 --> 03:18:03,081
is required of us. Okay. Good sport point. 4. 570.

3027
03:18:03,081 --> 03:18:05,561
I'm not sure. We deal with a lot of municipalities.

3028
03:18:05,561 --> 03:18:07,721
So forgive me if I can't remember the exact number.

3029
03:18:08,261 --> 03:18:10,000
No, that's fine. I was just wondering because I know

3030
03:18:10,181 --> 03:18:13,120
the buildings that have small parking and they actually are

3031
03:18:13,160 --> 03:18:15,840
going over into it because their cars don't fit. Thanks.

3032
03:18:17,621 --> 03:18:21,200
Thank you Councillor Easmir. Uh, thank you. I had a

3033
03:18:21,240 --> 03:18:25,500
question. The design panel had made a recommendation about, um,

3034
03:18:25,701 --> 03:18:28,800
considering bird - friendly glazing. And I see that there

3035
03:18:28,840 --> 03:18:31,760
was a revised plan which includes reduced glazing on the

3036
03:18:32,021 --> 03:18:35,920
south Lakeside Facade. Is that a direct response to the

3037
03:18:36,101 --> 03:18:40,880
bird - friendly glazing consideration? Correct. Correct. Yeah. It's sort

3038
03:18:40,920 --> 03:18:43,520
of the options of looking at bird - friendly glazing

3039
03:18:44,581 --> 03:18:47,600
and or reducing the amount of glazing on that self

3040
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:50,960
- side. And the client had chosen to reduce the

3041
03:18:50,981 --> 03:18:59,186
molecules. Okay. Thank you. Um, yes, I appreciate that a

3042
03:18:59,186 --> 03:19:02,386
couple of changes were made in response to the design

3043
03:19:02,487 --> 03:19:08,687
panels recommendations, including that reduced glazing. More bike parking, a

3044
03:19:08,687 --> 03:19:12,227
ramp between Shenton Road and the main building entrances, uh,

3045
03:19:12,348 --> 03:19:18,887
retaining or replacing trees that couldn't be retained and switching

3046
03:19:18,927 --> 03:19:22,807
out the indoor amenity space for a viewing pavilion, given

3047
03:19:22,828 --> 03:19:28,245
it's right on the lake. Uh, and, uh, some stepped

3048
03:19:28,285 --> 03:19:33,285
walls to allow for more plantings and also some patterned

3049
03:19:33,285 --> 03:19:36,885
concrete. So appreciate those responses to the design panels recommendations.

3050
03:19:40,635 --> 03:19:44,694
Thank you worship. Um, I'm curious about the viewing platform.

3051
03:19:44,694 --> 03:19:46,214
Is that a public amend of the or is that

3052
03:19:46,254 --> 03:19:51,654
just for the, um, the residents and the workers in

3053
03:19:51,654 --> 03:19:55,699
the building. It's primarily for the residents and the employees

3054
03:19:55,720 --> 03:20:02,579
of the, uh, major floor. The pavilion is, I mean,

3055
03:20:02,579 --> 03:20:08,327
the public walkway accessing that pavilion. And there's no real

3056
03:20:08,668 --> 03:20:12,887
room to create such a public walkway to that pavilion.

3057
03:20:13,442 --> 03:20:16,621
Um, so when we were asked to create a public

3058
03:20:16,882 --> 03:20:20,781
amenity for the residents of the building, um, that was

3059
03:20:20,802 --> 03:20:24,941
our solution to doing that. And the form of that,

3060
03:20:24,941 --> 03:20:31,641
uh, pavilion actually emulates the, what historically was mining. And

3061
03:20:31,641 --> 03:20:35,741
so the shaft and cover. So that's what came out

3062
03:20:35,762 --> 03:20:40,482
of that. Okay. Thank you. And the, um, there's, I

3063
03:20:40,482 --> 03:20:43,882
can see there's a blanket statutory right away for featured

3064
03:20:43,922 --> 03:20:46,762
i relic loop trail across the property. And I assume

3065
03:20:46,783 --> 03:20:49,882
that that would be in front of the pavilion that

3066
03:20:49,983 --> 03:20:51,882
they're space in front of the pavilion for that trail.

3067
03:20:52,332 --> 03:20:55,191
Correct. There's lots of room in front of that. There's

3068
03:20:55,212 --> 03:21:00,311
a whole, um, sort of protected speed area and water

3069
03:21:00,332 --> 03:21:03,431
waste back. So we're a fair ways up land on

3070
03:21:03,431 --> 03:21:07,947
that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Someone cared to move

3071
03:21:07,987 --> 03:21:11,467
the recommended motion. Move Councillor Eastmere, second account, sir Armstrong.

3072
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:16,139
All those in favor and any opposed on motion carries.

3073
03:21:16,139 --> 03:21:17,979
Thank you very much, Mr. Lowe. You've had a long

3074
03:21:17,979 --> 03:21:20,944
evening waiting for us. Thank you very much. Have a

3075
03:21:20,944 --> 03:21:24,328
good evening. The next is liquor license amendment application number

3076
03:21:24,429 --> 03:21:33,554
LA 168 - number 105 - 1825 Bone Road. Mr.

3077
03:21:33,575 --> 03:21:37,788
Den. You're here to respond to questions. Are the questions

3078
03:21:37,969 --> 03:21:43,166
for Mr. Din. Poor Mr. Dennis had to wait all

3079
03:21:43,206 --> 03:21:47,006
night, no questions. Oh, well moved the recommended motion Councillor

3080
03:21:47,046 --> 03:21:50,346
Eastman, your secondary councillor Hemings, all those in favor. Any

3081
03:21:50,346 --> 03:21:55,014
opposed, none motion carries. Thank you very much. You've done

3082
03:21:55,014 --> 03:22:02,347
your advocacy. Well done. Ron to bylaws, Councillor Eastmyr. Ready?

3083
03:22:02,768 --> 03:22:06,507
Move that. The first is the cursed is A zoning

3084
03:22:06,528 --> 03:22:10,827
amendment bylaw 2026 number four five zero zero decimal two

3085
03:22:10,848 --> 03:22:15,208
five. Move that zoning amendment bylaw 2026. Number 4, 500.

3086
03:22:15,229 --> 03:22:19,887
255 past third reading. Second and Councillor Himmons. All those

3087
03:22:19,927 --> 03:22:23,727
in favor. Any opposed none motion carries. The next is

3088
03:22:23,767 --> 03:22:30,042
zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4500 decimal 256. Move that

3089
03:22:30,143 --> 03:22:34,282
zoning amendment bylaw 2026 number 4, 500. 256 past third

3090
03:22:34,322 --> 03:22:39,287
reading. Second and councillor. Perino, all those in favor. Any

3091
03:22:39,287 --> 03:22:45,171
opposed on motion carries. Next is zoning amendment bylaw 2026

3092
03:22:45,352 --> 03:22:51,143
number 4500 decimal 257. Move that zoning amendment bylaw 2026

3093
03:22:51,183 --> 03:22:56,828
number 4, 500. 257 past third reading. Second of Councillor

3094
03:22:57,009 --> 03:23:01,448
Henns. All those in favor. Any opposed non carries. The

3095
03:23:01,448 --> 03:23:06,428
next is council procedure bylaw. Amendment bylaw 2026 number 7272

3096
03:23:06,609 --> 03:23:14,525
decimal 06. Councillor Easmir. Move that zoning amendment bylaw 2026

3097
03:23:14,546 --> 03:23:22,459
number 7272. 06B adopted. Your worship. Sorry. I'm sorry. Okay.

3098
03:23:22,800 --> 03:23:29,010
Move that council procedure bylaw amendment. Bylaw 2026 number 7272.

3099
03:23:29,111 --> 03:23:33,853
06 be adopted. Section Councillor Thorpe. All those in favor.

3100
03:23:35,786 --> 03:23:39,820
Any opposed? None. I am opposed. Sorry? I'm opposed. Card

3101
03:23:39,820 --> 03:23:43,998
me Councillor East Music. Motion carries. The next is Off

3102
03:23:44,038 --> 03:23:49,758
Street Parking byla Parseat Parking Regulations bylaw 2026 number 7453.

3103
03:23:51,045 --> 03:23:55,264
Move that Off Street Parking Regulations bylaw 2026. Number 7453

3104
03:23:55,445 --> 03:24:01,732
be adopted. Sectored Councillor Hemmons. All those in favor. Any

3105
03:24:01,732 --> 03:24:06,230
opposed none motion carries. Sorry, your opposed. Oh, and Councillor

3106
03:24:06,331 --> 03:24:10,917
Thorpe. My goodness. We're getting controversial late at night. Well

3107
03:24:10,917 --> 03:24:17,077
done. Next is subdivision development servicing bylaw 2026 number 7454.

3108
03:24:18,331 --> 03:24:22,710
Councillor Easmeyer. Move that subdivision and development servicing bylaw 2026

3109
03:24:23,371 --> 03:24:31,277
number 7454 be adopted. Executive Council Perino. All those in.

3110
03:24:32,556 --> 03:24:38,749
Councillor Brown. Thanks. Um, I'll be very quick. I know

3111
03:24:38,770 --> 03:24:41,789
it's late. Um, and I voted in favor the first

3112
03:24:41,890 --> 03:24:45,069
two readings. I've had some time to reflect on it.

3113
03:24:45,069 --> 03:24:47,709
I've actually had some people kind of comments about it.

3114
03:24:48,991 --> 03:24:51,930
And I thought Councillor Prune asked a very good question.

3115
03:24:51,930 --> 03:24:53,610
What sort of little lack of engagement by people that

3116
03:24:53,711 --> 03:25:00,505
this would impact. And my understanding was there was very

3117
03:25:00,526 --> 03:25:03,865
little engagement and I appreciate that probably the people that

3118
03:25:03,865 --> 03:25:07,726
worked on the project aren't here. But I'm just curious.

3119
03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:12,139
When we didn't get response did we dig deeper and

3120
03:25:12,179 --> 03:25:21,434
see why. Folk. Three of our ship to Councillor Brown.

3121
03:25:21,434 --> 03:25:24,554
I know, um, staff spoke to it when the bylaw

3122
03:25:24,554 --> 03:25:27,994
was introduced. Yeah. And, uh, my understanding is yes, there

3123
03:25:27,994 --> 03:25:32,407
was follow up with, uh, with some, uh, and. Um,

3124
03:25:32,988 --> 03:25:36,520
yeah, the outreach was to. I can't remember off the

3125
03:25:36,520 --> 03:25:39,240
top of my head, but it was substantial number of,

3126
03:25:39,240 --> 03:25:45,523
um. Consultants that are involved in this work. And, uh,

3127
03:25:46,124 --> 03:25:53,398
limited, um, response. It could be due to capacity. I

3128
03:25:53,398 --> 03:25:56,830
don't. Know. Okay. Um, so okay. I'm going to vote

3129
03:25:56,830 --> 03:26:00,003
in favor. I won't be around. When a lot of

3130
03:26:00,003 --> 03:26:04,463
these sidewalks get built on council. But if anyone is,

3131
03:26:04,503 --> 03:26:06,783
I'm very concerned that the cost of some of this

3132
03:26:06,823 --> 03:26:09,343
stuff is going to be very, very high and will

3133
03:26:09,343 --> 03:26:14,463
be realised in the affordability equation. And I think it

3134
03:26:14,463 --> 03:26:16,463
should be not going to make any motions, but I

3135
03:26:16,463 --> 03:26:18,543
think people should put it in their calendar to have

3136
03:26:18,543 --> 03:26:21,475
a little bit of review on that. Thanks. Thank you

3137
03:26:21,496 --> 03:26:26,304
very much Councilprino. Thank you. Your worship. And it did

3138
03:26:26,405 --> 03:26:29,104
concern me. We sent out a whole bunch of questionnaires

3139
03:26:29,125 --> 03:26:34,462
to the development community to respond it. What staff then

3140
03:26:34,502 --> 03:26:36,782
did was go back out, get in touch with a

3141
03:26:36,782 --> 03:26:39,182
bunch of other people. And they heard very much the

3142
03:26:39,182 --> 03:26:42,542
same thing. There was definitely a capacity issue, but also

3143
03:26:43,043 --> 03:26:45,982
some of the development community was saying, listen, let's, let's

3144
03:26:45,982 --> 03:26:48,462
try this out, see how it goes. We'll come back

3145
03:26:48,502 --> 03:26:52,542
and make changes as the need comes forward. So I

3146
03:26:52,582 --> 03:26:55,342
appreciate Councillor Brown asking the question because I was very

3147
03:26:55,443 --> 03:26:57,822
concerned about that. So I got the answer that I

3148
03:26:59,283 --> 03:27:02,854
wanted. And we'll be voting favor of the adoption. Thank

3149
03:27:02,854 --> 03:27:07,456
you very much. All those in favor. And any opposed.

3150
03:27:08,808 --> 03:27:13,246
None motion carries. The next is housing agreement bylaw 2026

3151
03:27:13,347 --> 03:27:20,617
number 7458. Councillor Eastmear moved that housing agreement. Bylaw 2026

3152
03:27:20,798 --> 03:27:27,052
number 7458 be adopted. Secret Councillor Thorpe. All those in

3153
03:27:27,092 --> 03:27:31,897
favor, any opposed on motion carries. The next is residential

3154
03:27:32,078 --> 03:27:38,156
tenant assistance bylaw 2026 number 7459. Move that residential tenant

3155
03:27:38,196 --> 03:27:44,918
assistance bylaw 2026 number 7459 be adopted. Seconded Count Soprino.

3156
03:27:46,248 --> 03:27:49,907
All those in favor and any opposed on motion carries.

3157
03:27:51,089 --> 03:27:55,068
The next is bylaw notice enforcement amendment bylaw 2026 number

3158
03:27:55,169 --> 03:28:02,194
7159 decimal 27. Move that bylaw. Sorry. Thank you. Move

3159
03:28:02,234 --> 03:28:09,065
that bylaw notice enforcement. Amendment bylaw 2026 number 7159. 27

3160
03:28:09,326 --> 03:28:14,093
be adopted. Secretary Council Prino, all those in favor. Any

3161
03:28:14,093 --> 03:28:17,672
opposed on motion carries. We have no notices of motion.

3162
03:28:17,672 --> 03:28:22,004
We have no correspondence. Uh, other business Councillor Eastern year

3163
03:28:22,105 --> 03:28:25,844
motion read the interim use of number six commercial street.

3164
03:28:27,178 --> 03:28:30,597
Yes. My motion is that Council Direct staff to provide

3165
03:28:30,618 --> 03:28:33,397
a report on options for the interim use of six

3166
03:28:33,418 --> 03:28:38,574
commercial street. The former Jean Burnsin site. And if it's

3167
03:28:38,574 --> 03:28:43,814
second, it'll. Councillor Brown. Thank you. So I'm really interested

3168
03:28:43,835 --> 03:28:46,134
in bringing the central part of our downtown back to

3169
03:28:46,174 --> 03:28:48,854
life. And right now it is a fenced off whole

3170
03:28:49,035 --> 03:28:51,974
and has been ever since a fire destroyed the old

3171
03:28:52,014 --> 03:28:54,534
ANB sound building at the corner of commercial and terminal

3172
03:28:54,555 --> 03:28:58,054
in 2016. And the city bought this property for an

3173
03:28:58,075 --> 03:29:00,934
undisclosed price in 2021 in an effort to ensure that

3174
03:29:00,955 --> 03:29:04,457
it didn't sit idle for many more years. When we

3175
03:29:04,497 --> 03:29:08,137
were elected, we all spoke about a shared desire to

3176
03:29:08,158 --> 03:29:11,875
get something in that hole by 2026. For me, I'd

3177
03:29:11,875 --> 03:29:14,915
love to see affordable apartments and attainable housing so people

3178
03:29:14,915 --> 03:29:18,355
can enjoy living in our amazing downtown, including the workers

3179
03:29:18,395 --> 03:29:22,115
who are vital to our local businesses, students, seniors, families,

3180
03:29:22,115 --> 03:29:25,635
and like the old ANV sound building affordable artist studio

3181
03:29:25,675 --> 03:29:27,875
space, like what the A and B sound building used

3182
03:29:27,915 --> 03:29:31,527
to feature. We have tried. There was an RFP put

3183
03:29:31,548 --> 03:29:34,327
out by the city and a proponent selected to develop

3184
03:29:34,367 --> 03:29:37,127
that site. And while I didn't personally support that proposal,

3185
03:29:37,167 --> 03:29:40,887
there was hope that something would materialize. And it didn't.

3186
03:29:41,148 --> 03:29:44,407
Then we put it into BC builds pretty recently, hoping

3187
03:29:44,447 --> 03:29:48,167
that a developer and nonprofit partner would be interested in

3188
03:29:48,348 --> 03:29:50,727
developing the site with support from BC housing to build

3189
03:29:50,908 --> 03:29:54,247
affordable rental housing with commercial on the ground floor. The

3190
03:29:54,287 --> 03:29:57,367
city was and is seeking a developer to transform the

3191
03:29:57,407 --> 03:30:00,947
site into a landmark mixed use rental housing project. And

3192
03:30:00,947 --> 03:30:03,367
we were offering a 60 year lease at no cost

3193
03:30:03,407 --> 03:30:06,247
for the land to any developer that meets the criteria

3194
03:30:06,428 --> 03:30:10,327
consistent with BC builds. But again, nothing materialized. So right

3195
03:30:10,327 --> 03:30:12,727
now the cost of redeveloping the site into a building

3196
03:30:12,908 --> 03:30:16,247
is evidently not feasible for many reasons. And unlikely to

3197
03:30:16,287 --> 03:30:19,847
happen anytime soon, the cost of building in today's economy,

3198
03:30:19,847 --> 03:30:23,687
the site constraints geotechnical issues and seismic requirements, et cetera,

3199
03:30:23,727 --> 03:30:26,727
et cetera. So there's nothing in that whole except some

3200
03:30:26,767 --> 03:30:29,847
cool street art. And I'm not okay with letting it

3201
03:30:29,847 --> 03:30:33,927
sit idle for another decade with no action until conditions

3202
03:30:33,967 --> 03:30:36,327
improve, which they may or may not. So I think

3203
03:30:36,348 --> 03:30:39,047
it's time to get creative. And I'm really curious to

3204
03:30:39,087 --> 03:30:41,927
see what options for interim uses our staff could come

3205
03:30:41,967 --> 03:30:45,447
up with. I think there's amazing potential for a mini

3206
03:30:45,468 --> 03:30:49,687
temporary amphitheater or performance space, food truck parking, or a

3207
03:30:49,727 --> 03:30:52,327
mini container pop - up shop area, a pop -

3208
03:30:52,327 --> 03:30:55,607
up community garden using raised beds or a temporary skate

3209
03:30:55,647 --> 03:30:59,127
park using portable or modular escape park elements. These are

3210
03:30:59,167 --> 03:31:01,207
just ideas, many of which I've heard while speaking to

3211
03:31:01,247 --> 03:31:05,047
the community. And people are really interested in temporary uses

3212
03:31:05,047 --> 03:31:07,927
for this underused piece of prime real estate. And I

3213
03:31:07,927 --> 03:31:10,047
think they would all work in their own way. It

3214
03:31:10,047 --> 03:31:12,327
might require a little poured concrete to make this area

3215
03:31:12,428 --> 03:31:15,127
more accessible. But I really see the potential to open

3216
03:31:15,148 --> 03:31:17,687
up and enliven this space in a way that creates

3217
03:31:17,708 --> 03:31:21,527
more usable, enjoyable, and vibrant community space in our downtown

3218
03:31:21,628 --> 03:31:26,690
core. Thank you, Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. And I'm assuming

3219
03:31:26,730 --> 03:31:28,850
that the cost of remediation will be in there because

3220
03:31:28,871 --> 03:31:32,210
we can't do anything unless remediation is done, correct? We

3221
03:31:32,250 --> 03:31:35,570
can't put anything on there due to fire risk, safety

3222
03:31:35,591 --> 03:31:41,874
risks, health risks, environmental risks, all of that. Through the

3223
03:31:41,874 --> 03:31:44,294
chair, I think between me and Mr. Holm, we can

3224
03:31:44,334 --> 03:31:47,254
answer. I would say there are some temporary uses that

3225
03:31:47,294 --> 03:31:53,014
we could do that don't involve digging into any potential

3226
03:31:53,675 --> 03:31:57,174
contamination, which I do are do not know whether we've

3227
03:31:57,195 --> 03:31:58,774
looked into that on the same. Mr. Holm, do you

3228
03:31:58,774 --> 03:32:01,654
have any more? I'm back. Uh, no, I don't imagine

3229
03:32:01,995 --> 03:32:06,374
it's been evaluated for temporary uses such as, I'm just

3230
03:32:06,374 --> 03:32:10,655
thinking to the, um. For example, there's a gas station

3231
03:32:10,695 --> 03:32:14,815
site turnaroad and the island highway that was, um, temporarily

3232
03:32:15,796 --> 03:32:19,391
used as a food garden. Um, so there are options

3233
03:32:19,572 --> 03:32:23,051
raised beds again. So there's different options that could, um.

3234
03:32:24,366 --> 03:32:26,185
You know, that could be undertaken. Uh, we'd have to

3235
03:32:26,185 --> 03:32:29,785
investigate obviously, but, uh, that'll be part of the report.

3236
03:32:29,785 --> 03:32:32,025
That's all I'm asking. Yeah. Exactly. Did it have to

3237
03:32:32,025 --> 03:32:34,425
be? And there are some, you know, there are some

3238
03:32:34,425 --> 03:32:36,745
other, um, issues with that site that would have to

3239
03:32:36,745 --> 03:32:40,105
be looked at as far as, um, the access and

3240
03:32:40,145 --> 03:32:43,545
stability of, uh, and ball protection and different things like

3241
03:32:43,545 --> 03:32:47,685
that given some of the, um, the site condition. But

3242
03:32:47,685 --> 03:32:53,229
I think the, um, site contamination issues. Probably aren't significant

3243
03:32:53,269 --> 03:32:57,549
for a temporary use for building the geotechnical and contamination

3244
03:32:57,650 --> 03:33:01,129
issues are definitely more substantial. Um, that's where the, um,

3245
03:33:01,170 --> 03:33:05,149
the building code and also the provincial contaminated sites regulations

3246
03:33:05,189 --> 03:33:09,804
apply. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Manley and then Councillor

3247
03:33:09,844 --> 03:33:12,684
Gusselbrook. Uh, thank you. I'm in support of this. I've

3248
03:33:12,724 --> 03:33:16,844
heard from residents as well. I'd like to see maybe

3249
03:33:16,884 --> 03:33:20,044
the area filled in or used as an amphitheater. I've

3250
03:33:20,044 --> 03:33:22,904
seen amphitheaters that are below ground level where you can

3251
03:33:22,945 --> 03:33:27,084
walk around the amphitheater and the seats are all aligned

3252
03:33:27,105 --> 03:33:32,124
to watch a show. And, you know, potentially have containers.

3253
03:33:33,065 --> 03:33:39,844
Shops or small portable shops surrounding it that provide avenues

3254
03:33:39,865 --> 03:33:44,009
for small micro businesses. Uh, I think there's lots of

3255
03:33:44,030 --> 03:33:47,498
opportunities here. And they could. You know, potentially be permanent.

3256
03:33:48,871 --> 03:33:52,050
Not necessarily interim. I think the geotechnical problems with this

3257
03:33:52,090 --> 03:33:55,870
site are going to make it very difficult for, um,

3258
03:33:56,311 --> 03:34:00,674
uh, developing in a cost - effective way. But, you

3259
03:34:00,674 --> 03:34:03,254
know, I would have loved to have seen commercial on

3260
03:34:03,294 --> 03:34:06,689
the ground for and residents above. But that hasn't worked

3261
03:34:06,689 --> 03:34:09,089
out in the years that we've been working on this.

3262
03:34:09,089 --> 03:34:16,457
Thanks. Thank you. Councillor Gelser Brock. Thank you, Mayor. I

3263
03:34:16,457 --> 03:34:20,697
think it's high time to find a temporary use for

3264
03:34:20,737 --> 03:34:23,177
the site. I'm getting tired of walking by the hole

3265
03:34:23,217 --> 03:34:26,702
in the middle of the downtown. I think that there

3266
03:34:26,702 --> 03:34:28,862
could be some creative ways that we can enliven that

3267
03:34:28,862 --> 03:34:31,582
space. And I think, uh, everybody's tired of walking by

3268
03:34:31,622 --> 03:34:33,822
the hole, um, and I think it's holding back the

3269
03:34:33,862 --> 03:34:40,304
progression of, you know, redeveloping and enlivening. The downtown. Um,

3270
03:34:40,425 --> 03:34:44,084
one question or just thought. I know some people brought

3271
03:34:44,124 --> 03:34:46,804
up the constraints for building in the site. Um, and

3272
03:34:47,385 --> 03:34:50,804
that one of the barriers is just the unknown around

3273
03:34:50,844 --> 03:34:53,764
the geotechnical, um, and that we did a geotechnical up

3274
03:34:53,865 --> 03:34:58,964
to six stories, um, but, uh, the economics of building

3275
03:34:59,225 --> 03:35:01,364
a six stories just doesn't make it feasible given all

3276
03:35:01,404 --> 03:35:05,124
the constraints, but there hasn't been a geotechnical study that

3277
03:35:05,164 --> 03:35:08,804
looks at going above six stories. Um, say to 12.

3278
03:35:08,804 --> 03:35:10,564
And that, that might could change the economics a little

3279
03:35:10,564 --> 03:35:13,984
bit. And so I'm curious in that report, you know,

3280
03:35:13,984 --> 03:35:18,404
even at a cursory level, um, if any constraints could

3281
03:35:18,444 --> 03:35:21,364
be identified of like a longer term solution be put

3282
03:35:21,364 --> 03:35:23,044
in there and that maybe, you know, if we did

3283
03:35:23,044 --> 03:35:25,044
a little bit more work that we could open up

3284
03:35:25,065 --> 03:35:28,244
a greater breadth of opportunity to actually have, um, the

3285
03:35:28,425 --> 03:35:30,964
housing that everybody hopes to see there and the commercial

3286
03:35:31,145 --> 03:35:33,924
space that ultimately would probably make the highest best use

3287
03:35:33,945 --> 03:35:40,955
of that spot. Thank you. Mr. Holm. Thank you. Sorry.

3288
03:35:40,955 --> 03:35:43,035
Um, three worship council guests of Rechi looking for a

3289
03:35:43,035 --> 03:35:45,915
response. Yeah, just is it possible to add that into

3290
03:35:46,336 --> 03:35:50,555
a report? It's hard to tell sometimes. Yeah. Well, I'm

3291
03:35:50,555 --> 03:35:51,835
kind of throwing it out there because I do think

3292
03:35:51,875 --> 03:35:56,635
that, um, we've been trying hard to get development there.

3293
03:35:56,635 --> 03:35:58,955
And it's been capped. And it's like we've been unsuccessful

3294
03:35:58,995 --> 03:36:01,195
with what we've done so far. But maybe a little

3295
03:36:01,195 --> 03:36:05,355
bit more push. So yeah, I think Miss Gil's will

3296
03:36:05,355 --> 03:36:07,595
probably be best to speak to the information that we

3297
03:36:07,635 --> 03:36:11,915
have on hand, uh, but, um, yeah, there may be

3298
03:36:11,915 --> 03:36:16,875
other barriers to, um, and we see through market development,

3299
03:36:16,875 --> 03:36:21,814
um. Uh, constructing above six stories. And depending on site

3300
03:36:21,854 --> 03:36:27,414
conditions, the building code requirements do change depending on building

3301
03:36:27,595 --> 03:36:31,174
height as well. So it's probably not just, uh, like

3302
03:36:31,214 --> 03:36:35,726
the economics of it's probably not just geotechnical. Related issue.

3303
03:36:35,726 --> 03:36:39,006
But, um, we can probably speak to the consultant that,

3304
03:36:39,006 --> 03:36:42,814
uh, that did the work for us. And, um, see

3305
03:36:42,854 --> 03:36:47,374
if, um, what would be required to look at expanding

3306
03:36:47,395 --> 03:36:51,374
the investigation. But I think the economics are probably related

3307
03:36:51,414 --> 03:36:53,774
to the, um, would be related to the height of

3308
03:36:53,814 --> 03:36:57,174
building. I think there'd be a limitation or sort of

3309
03:36:57,174 --> 03:37:02,474
a cost barrier there as well. Great. Thanks. Through the

3310
03:37:02,595 --> 03:37:05,654
chair, if I might jump in on this one, if

3311
03:37:05,654 --> 03:37:07,694
I understand the motion as it is, it's for the

3312
03:37:07,955 --> 03:37:12,409
interim or temper use. And so if Council wanted us

3313
03:37:12,409 --> 03:37:15,689
to look at something longer term, which through your worship

3314
03:37:15,689 --> 03:37:17,929
to Council Gasterpart, I think that would be a separate

3315
03:37:18,030 --> 03:37:22,700
motion. Um, so through the chair, the interim use allows

3316
03:37:22,721 --> 03:37:27,900
a lot more flexibility, creativity, or perhaps deviation from the

3317
03:37:28,321 --> 03:37:31,740
Santa. So it would be required to have geotechnical for

3318
03:37:31,761 --> 03:37:35,100
permanent use. Absolutely. I was just kind of lobbing an

3319
03:37:35,140 --> 03:37:36,700
idea out there and we can follow up on it.

3320
03:37:37,424 --> 03:37:41,083
When the temporary usage report comes if it's something of

3321
03:37:41,184 --> 03:37:44,043
interest. Thank you. I would remind Council we have an

3322
03:37:44,083 --> 03:37:48,295
in - camera meeting after this. All those in favor.

3323
03:37:49,325 --> 03:37:53,784
Any opposed on motion carries. Thank you very much. Question

3324
03:37:53,805 --> 03:37:54,664
period, Ms. Gurie.

3325
03:38:11,768 --> 03:38:21,278
All right. The Mr. Arnett 12A. Please welcome. Nice to

3326
03:38:21,318 --> 03:38:26,781
see you. You too, mayor council. First, let me apologise

3327
03:38:26,802 --> 03:38:30,928
for the writing. I am very able to write. Um,

3328
03:38:31,829 --> 03:38:35,248
I appear before you on behalf of Grace Elliot Nielsen,

3329
03:38:35,248 --> 03:38:41,051
executive director. And the management team fertility. Aboriginal friendship centre

3330
03:38:41,232 --> 03:38:43,907
in the board of directors. My name is Steve Arnett.

3331
03:38:44,242 --> 03:38:49,797
I'm a Maytee Nation BC citizen. A firekeeper and an

3332
03:38:49,837 --> 03:38:52,757
old one. On my way to being an elder and

3333
03:38:52,797 --> 03:38:57,282
can do's at 75. Um, I'm here to ask a

3334
03:38:57,322 --> 03:39:02,002
question in release to 12A, which email the decision on

3335
03:39:02,823 --> 03:39:08,630
with respect to, uh, the recommendation from staff. That our,

3336
03:39:08,630 --> 03:39:15,255
uh. Permissive tax exemption. For our young mom's expansion. Uh,

3337
03:39:15,676 --> 03:39:21,831
be denied. So my question is, um, based on that,

3338
03:39:21,831 --> 03:39:27,031
um, through, uh, through you mayors, your worship is chair.

3339
03:39:27,031 --> 03:39:29,431
Can staff tell me what the total amount of the

3340
03:39:29,431 --> 03:39:37,591
tax exemptions were, uh, for the six PTs that were

3341
03:39:37,631 --> 03:39:42,871
removed along with, I heard, I think the figure 27,

3342
03:39:43,292 --> 03:39:47,418
000 per the Vancouver Island Real Estate Board. In terms

3343
03:39:47,439 --> 03:39:51,898
of total of the, um, permissive tax attemptions that represents.

3344
03:39:52,400 --> 03:39:55,819
Against the 6, 000 dollars that doesn't seem like a

3345
03:39:55,819 --> 03:40:01,819
lot, but is a real hardship for, uh, TLAFC in

3346
03:40:01,819 --> 03:40:04,699
terms of the housing that we, uh, went ahead and

3347
03:40:04,739 --> 03:40:11,579
provided despite what Councillor Manning said, uh, that BC housing

3348
03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:15,739
did too many, many nonprofits across the province. In our

3349
03:40:15,739 --> 03:40:19,899
case, we asked, uh, we've spent a lot of money.

3350
03:40:19,899 --> 03:40:23,979
I raised a lot of money with TLAFC. Yes. I

3351
03:40:23,979 --> 03:40:27,390
guess it's a question. So I'll answer questions. You of

3352
03:40:27,390 --> 03:40:31,230
all people, Mr. experienced. Yeah. Well, I'm kind of like

3353
03:40:31,331 --> 03:40:33,070
you mayor, you know, put me in front of a

3354
03:40:33,110 --> 03:40:38,969
microphone. I know, I know. Ms. Mercer, can you answer

3355
03:40:39,070 --> 03:40:42,169
the question? There was a question in there. Yeah. Thank

3356
03:40:42,209 --> 03:40:44,969
you, your worship. Um, I don't have the total off

3357
03:40:44,969 --> 03:40:47,609
the top of my head, but if I, I can

3358
03:40:47,649 --> 03:40:51,096
get back to, um, the group. Thank you, council Armstrong.

3359
03:40:51,117 --> 03:40:52,136
I just want to say, I don't know if you

3360
03:40:52,176 --> 03:40:54,696
heard when Councillor Manley asked that. The staff said that

3361
03:40:54,736 --> 03:40:57,576
if the entered into a housing agreement, you'll be way

3362
03:40:57,576 --> 03:41:01,676
less than even getting permissive tax exemption. I'm aware of

3363
03:41:01,676 --> 03:41:06,316
that. In terms of process, all of that was sort

3364
03:41:06,316 --> 03:41:08,636
of put honest just the very last minute. And that's

3365
03:41:08,737 --> 03:41:11,356
no reflection on staff. I don't do that as a

3366
03:41:11,356 --> 03:41:15,993
former 10 year councillor myself. Um, I will follow up

3367
03:41:16,033 --> 03:41:19,433
with them. And you will be hearing back from us.

3368
03:41:19,433 --> 03:41:22,393
Um, certainly before they pulled the pen on the, on

3369
03:41:22,433 --> 03:41:26,278
the rip. Around this. Thank you very much. Thank you,

3370
03:41:26,278 --> 03:41:35,623
safe drive home. Thank you. The next is 13b. So

3371
03:41:35,644 --> 03:41:38,263
your worship? Mr. Chant. I think Mr. Chapman had a

3372
03:41:38,263 --> 03:41:42,823
question about the attachment to 13b. However, um, after reviewing

3373
03:41:42,844 --> 03:41:44,983
it and discussing it, this matter is going to public

3374
03:41:45,004 --> 03:41:48,663
hearing. So issues that are, even though Mr. Chapman was

3375
03:41:48,703 --> 03:41:53,703
saying that attachment doesn't specifically relate to the public hearing

3376
03:41:53,743 --> 03:41:57,543
matter, um, then that, that's not the matter that was

3377
03:41:57,543 --> 03:41:59,943
on the agenda. So it's kind of splitting hairs and

3378
03:41:59,983 --> 03:42:02,823
opening it up to others. So unfortunately that question isn't

3379
03:42:02,844 --> 03:42:05,863
available. And he can speak to, um, at the public

3380
03:42:05,964 --> 03:42:08,743
hearing, he can speak to Mayor and Council about the

3381
03:42:08,844 --> 03:42:11,863
attachment and or to staff. And I followed up with

3382
03:42:11,863 --> 03:42:14,263
an email to him on that. Mr. Chapman, nothing wrong

3383
03:42:14,263 --> 03:42:16,473
with trying to get your in the water first. But

3384
03:42:16,494 --> 03:42:19,785
you'll have to attend the public hearing. Sorry. Uh, and

3385
03:42:19,966 --> 03:42:23,865
the final one is 12 D. Jeff Ansley. Mr. Anisoley.

3386
03:42:35,850 --> 03:42:38,069
You know the drill introduce yourself for the record and

3387
03:42:38,069 --> 03:42:43,114
ask your questions, please. Jeff Hansley. The question is about.

3388
03:42:45,727 --> 03:42:47,866
The 3rd Street upgrades, which are part of the quarterly

3389
03:42:47,887 --> 03:42:54,579
report. First question is, is the, um, is the 5.

3390
03:42:54,619 --> 03:43:00,121
1 million, um, does that encompass the entire project. Is

3391
03:43:00,161 --> 03:43:06,064
that. Um. Part of the project. Ms. Mercer.

3392
03:43:12,159 --> 03:43:15,738
What project were you referring to? The 3rd Street upgrades,

3393
03:43:15,738 --> 03:43:21,828
NAP at the 5. 1 72 million. Right. I see

3394
03:43:21,828 --> 03:43:26,649
it now. Um. That probably wouldn't be for the entire

3395
03:43:26,830 --> 03:43:29,904
project. But probably the most of the work. There could

3396
03:43:29,904 --> 03:43:32,944
be other costs included in there. But I would say

3397
03:43:32,984 --> 03:43:37,104
that's probably the bulk of the project. But I'm not

3398
03:43:37,285 --> 03:43:41,024
an expert on this particular project. But for that company,

3399
03:43:41,064 --> 03:43:44,544
are they just doing the, um, sewer infrastructure or are

3400
03:43:44,544 --> 03:43:49,684
they doing the Road infrastructure as well. We would have

3401
03:43:49,684 --> 03:43:54,514
to get back to. You with details, Mr. Amson. Okay.

3402
03:43:54,514 --> 03:43:58,754
And just, uh, okay. Eliminates my second question then, too.

3403
03:43:58,754 --> 03:44:01,394
And just, um, just for my knowledge, are we replacing

3404
03:44:01,415 --> 03:44:05,821
that infrastructure with smart infrastructure? Do we know. Is the

3405
03:44:05,861 --> 03:44:08,621
piping beam that's being taken out? Because it says we

3406
03:44:08,621 --> 03:44:10,541
need to upgrade that. And I'm just wondering if that

3407
03:44:10,562 --> 03:44:15,954
was the main part of the upgrade. Mr. Through the

3408
03:44:15,994 --> 03:44:19,474
chair to the speaker, Visansley. Could you clarify when you

3409
03:44:19,514 --> 03:44:22,994
say smart infrastructure, what your definition of that is? Oh,

3410
03:44:23,034 --> 03:44:25,314
I just like, you know, um, like when the councillors

3411
03:44:25,354 --> 03:44:28,594
went to Calgary, they talked about the piping that went

3412
03:44:28,594 --> 03:44:30,674
in was they're taking the old stuff when they were

3413
03:44:30,674 --> 03:44:33,314
putting new stuff that has more, they can control the

3414
03:44:33,335 --> 03:44:39,285
flow control, that sort of thing. Is that. What we've

3415
03:44:39,325 --> 03:44:41,685
done here on Third Street and just, just more broadly

3416
03:44:41,706 --> 03:44:45,365
in general. Through the chair to Council to the speaker,

3417
03:44:45,365 --> 03:44:47,445
what I will say is our engineering and public works

3418
03:44:47,466 --> 03:44:50,885
department use the best technology. And when we have the

3419
03:44:50,925 --> 03:44:56,090
ability to upgrade through. Our road systems, we do replace

3420
03:44:56,591 --> 03:45:01,450
to more resilient standards. And in times that includes seismic

3421
03:45:01,631 --> 03:45:06,250
at times, that includes future proofing for water flows or

3422
03:45:06,271 --> 03:45:10,715
materials that are more durable. So we can get back

3423
03:45:10,736 --> 03:45:14,315
to you with the specifics if you're interested through Mr.

3424
03:45:14,355 --> 03:45:18,475
Rosen, who's currently wisely not here. Yeah. It was an

3425
03:45:18,515 --> 03:45:21,035
anti - speaking this question. So I think we have

3426
03:45:21,296 --> 03:45:24,395
your email. Yes. And so we can provide counsel with

3427
03:45:24,435 --> 03:45:26,635
that information as well as yourself. That'd be great. Thank

3428
03:45:26,635 --> 03:45:28,075
you. Thank you. Thank you very much.