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City Clerk, are you ready to start?

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meeting. I'm ready if you are mayor. I think we're already in place so we will call to order

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our September 15th meeting in the afternoon of the Napa City Council but have real call, please.

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Council members, painter, here, Leros, here, Narvayas, here, Vice Mayor Dina Tolley, here,

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Mayor Sitzley, here. Next we have Pledge of Allegiance. I'm going to ask our council member

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Bernie Nerviahs to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. He organized a very, very

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quality memorial in solemn respect for our 9-11 event last Friday. So thank you, Bernie,

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for doing that. And please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Please join my pledge. I pledge

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to the agents, to the flag,

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to which the hands, the lion, the lion, and the other

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City Clerk, are there any changes to the agenda or supplemented reports?

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There are no changes to the agenda mayor.

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We do have supplemental reports for Item 5.

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We have emails received from Manel and Chew, Jim McNamara, and Tempe Wrightart.

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For Item 7A, we have a PowerPoint presentation from staff and an email from Omar Lopez from

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generation housing and for item eight we have a presentation from staff.

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Thank you and you may have noticed the chair set up in the four year we're not having live music tonight

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but we are having a public hearing at the evening session at six thirty so that's on the five way

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intersection topic and so if you're here for the five way that is your little early but you're welcome to stay for the afternoon session

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but that comes on at 6.30.

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So, special presentations.

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We always love pet of the month.

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We have Lewis Embers with the NEPA County Animal Shelter here with Sophie.

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Hello, Sophie.

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Hi, everybody.

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My name is Luis,

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and I am here with Sophie.

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Sophie is a six-year-old,

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people makes that is available for adoption

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at the NEPA County Animal Shelter.

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Honestly, I'm very, very much speechless.

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Sophie is such an amazing dog for a dog that's been at the animal shelter for as long

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as she has.

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She has such a great temperament, such a great attitude.

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In a shelter environment, it's really difficult to kind of see the best of the dogs while

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they're there because a lot of the times they're in their kennel for a really long time.

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It's really loud.

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It's really difficult for them to sleep, but then to get her out of the shelter environment

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and then behaved the way that she's behaving here is really, really impressive, she sees another dog.

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She has been around other dogs in play group at the shelter.

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She does like to swim as we notice during the hot summer days that we kind of experience, we put some kiddie pulls out.

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She's like, man, forget those dogs. I'd rather go into the pool, hang out.

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She's been to adoption events where we've seen her interact with children and she did really, really well.

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Overall, just the 10 out of 10 dog for me, if I was to adopt her, it would be the kind of

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dog that I'm looking for a little bit on the older side. She's been there, done that, has

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great social skills with people, with dogs, not too sure about cats, but we'll, we'll find out the

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hard way. And as far as just her nature, I could assume that if she was to get into a home

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saying she might be a couch potato, depending on on how she behaves there. But I've been proven wrong,

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some dogs get into a home and they get really happy and then they get that second wind

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and then they're not as catch-by-terry as I tell people.

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But yeah, that's Sophie.

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Hi, Sophie.

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Tiffany, this might be the one.

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I mean, we got to start getting on the scorecard here for adoptions.

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I don't know that we've adopted one just yet, but we're going to keep trying.

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Thank you Louise. Thanks Sophie.

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I don't forget our agenda tonight is a

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proclamation for our suicide prevention month recognition. I think.

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We have with us Marcella and from mentis in the NAPA Center for Mental Health Services.

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Council, if you will bring out your proclamations.

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City of NAPA proclamations, suicide prevention month, September 26.

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Whereas the NAPA County suicide prevention council, SBC, is a public and private collaborative

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of people and organizations for dedicated to reducing stigma around suicide, supporting those

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who have lost loved ones to suicide, identifying and advocating for resources and promoting

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a safe, connected and resilient community to reduce the risk of suicide and.

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We're as in the last nine years, NCSPC has worked tirelessly to reach their vision of

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a suicide-free community through education and training, stigma reduction, linkage to services

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and provision of resources to strengthen protective factors and support those impacted by

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Suicide Hand.

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We're as from 2021 to 2024, in Epi County and across California, the age group with the most

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death by Suicide was 25 to 44 years in the highest Suicide Rate was among those 85 years

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in the older.

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And?

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Whereas from 2021 to 2024, the suicide rate in California was 10.7 deaths per 100,000 population,

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and Napa County's was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population, placing Napa County just

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below the state average.

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Whereas in partnership with Mintis and Napa County Health and Human Services, the NCSPC,

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organized and hosted its second annual suicide prevention conference, hope beyond darkness,

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United for Suicide Prevention and whereas every city of Napa resident can be an ally by

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knowing the signs of Suicide finding the words to communicate with someone they are concerned

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about and reaching out to local resources for help.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I Scott Sedgley may have the city of Napa along with an

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Come, please come forward and to the mic with your pet of the month.

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If you'd like to say anything, you're welcome to say a few words and then I'll give you the proclamation.

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Hi guys, my name is Yoni. I am the community programs coordinator for our teens connect, which is fighting against mental health and suicide prevention.

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We're very thankful for you guys to be doing this today.

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It's quite exciting.

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I wasn't aware that it was happening until right now,

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but I appreciate and thank you guys so much

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for just taking it into consideration

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and recognizing the true need that we have out here

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for Suicide Prevention and Awareness.

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So thank you so much.

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Thank you Steve right there.

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Emily, Jessica,

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can I go there, Sophie?

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Yes, I think it's just a few days ago.

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thank you.

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Next item for C Hispanic Heritage Month, proclaim September 15 to October 15, 206 as Hispanic Heritage Month.

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Council members?

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Whereas, in 1968, President Lyndon B. Johnson first recognized Hispanic Heritage.

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Each successive United States President has continued this tradition in declaring September 15 through October 15 to be National Hispanic Heritage Month.

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The theme for this year is Pioneers of Change, shaping the future together.

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Whereas the city of Napa has a long history of welcoming immigrants, and it's only

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to a growing multi-ethnic and multi-cultural Hispanic and Latino populations, including

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residents originate from Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and South Southern America, and the

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city of Napa is Hispanic and Latino communities comprise approximately 41% of the city's

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total population, and more than half of all public school students in the city.

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And, whereas members of this Hispanic and Latino community have made countless contributions

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to the United States economy and culture, serving in all branches of the Armed Forces

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as dedicated public servants and as leaders in education, health care, business, and entrepreneurship,

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and other.

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We're as the city of Napa, which thrives on the diversity and ingenuity of all the people. Also depends on the continued support and success of our diverse Hispanic and Latino populations.

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We will continue to be enriched by the transcultural contributions of our Hispanic and Latino friends, family and neighbors, and we will continue to make efforts to create an inclusive environment where community members can thrive.

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Now, therefore, we resolved that I

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Scott Sedgley mayor of the city of Napa

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along with the city council in deep appreciation

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to the diverse Latinx population

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of the city of Napa hereby proclaim

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September 15th through October 15th

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to be Hispanic Heritage Month

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in the city of Napa dated September 15th, 2026 outstanding.

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And I believe we have with us Kathy Gillis,

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board president and Maria Gomez here with us to accept.

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We feel high.

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I'm Kathy Gillis, president of the Napa County Hispanic network.

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I've been here before.

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It seems like just days ago, but here we are again, celebrating this awesome month.

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And the network, of course, is the oldest Latino organization here in Napa, and we are

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so grateful to be in a community that welcomes diversity of all of the works that we try

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support primarily scholarships. And so we thank you so much for letting us take the

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proclamation. This is my vice president.

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Just to say thank you Maria Gomez and the vice president of the Napa County Hispanic

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Network. And I just want to thank you once again for continuing the tradition of acknowledging

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valuing and respecting the contributions of Hispanics in the city of Napa. Thank you so

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much.

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Thank you. Stay right there.

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All right, this time we are at general public comment. This time

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during the public comment portion of the meeting, the public is invited to address the city

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council on any item within the subject matter jurisdiction of the council. That is not on the

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agenda. Please focus your comments on either past actions taken by the council or propose future items

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taken by the council. Whoever, if the subject of the public comment is not on the agenda state

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strictly limits the council's ability to respond at this meeting.

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And so we have the additional public comment portal in our city clerk will explain that.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So for each, we are offering public comment via Zoom as well.

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And for each section of the agenda, one public comment is called members of the public who

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was to speak on the item should use Zoom's raise your hand button to indicate that you would

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like to speak for those who have joined the meeting by calling into the teleconference line.

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They would push star 9 to indicate that they would wish to speak when the item of interest comes up.

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We will be calling each speaker and allowing them to turn on their microphone to comment.

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When prompted to speak, you may be asked to unmute.

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If you are on the phone, that action is star 6.

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Time, as Mayor said, time is limited to 3 minutes as indicated on the timer.

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We will call on members of the public participating in person first followed by remote participation.

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And I do have in the audience, I have four cards that have been received for general public

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comments.

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Gail Allen, Maureen Trip, Liliana Karesh, and Madeline Chew.

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All right.

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So please come up, no particular order if you heard your name.

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Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, and members of the Council.

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I'm speaking today on behalf of a growing coalition of Napa residents and business leaders

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at a defining

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A moment for our riverfront. While the oxbow bypass and southern wetlands delivered crucial flood protection and public space, increment 3 from the hat building down to the Amola Bridge is our final critical juncture.

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We have a rare once in a generation opportunity to transform this gateway into a vibrant public park.

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establish a continuous trail system and drive smart economic growth at the entryway to our city.

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Our community's vision for the river has evolved.

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We remain grateful to friends of the Napa River for their commitment to a living river ecosystem.

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At the same time, efforts like the Napa River Line Project reflect what residents care about most.

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seamless waterfront access, restored habitats and an active bike in pedestrian trail, a continuous trail from the Amola Bridge to the Silverado Trail.

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However, there are serious challenges ahead.

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Modern flood engineering proves that we don't have to choose between safety and community value.

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Flood protection can and must enhance recreational access without compromising our local businesses or the historic Abajo and Riverside neighborhoods.

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Right now increment three is in the active design phase with construction slated for 2028.

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The Army Corps's 25-year-old baseline design is starkly outdated and if built as originally drafted,

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We'll leave a permanent, visual, and physical barrier along our waterfront.

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To address these critical design changes, these critical design choices, the ad hoc committee

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for the NAPA County Flood Control District Board is hosting a community meeting on October

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From 6 to 7 PM at the NAPA Valley Yacht Club.

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We urge Council and the public to participate as we work together to protect future generations

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and build the world-class waterfront NAPA deserves.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Marie.

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Good afternoon.

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Mayor Sedgley, Navacity Council members and City staff.

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My name is Madeline Chu.

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I'm a rising sophomore at the University of Chicago, a graduate of an attorney high school,

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and most importantly, the former secretary of the Student Lead Environmental Advocacy

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Organization, NAPA Schools for Climate Action.

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Since 2024, my team and I have been working with Congressman Mike Thompson's office on

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House Concurrent Resolution 46, the Congressional Climate Restoration Resolution.

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First, introduce in 2024 and now reintroduced into the current session of Congress.

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This resolution calls for the removal of heat-trapping greenhouse gases, specifically

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carbon dioxide, to pre-industrial levels, which are below 300 parts per million by 2050.

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According to data from NASA, anthropogenic pollution has caused the concentration of carbon

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dioxide in our atmosphere to rise above 425 parts per million, while above the safe pre-industrial

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levels.

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Global Mean Temperatures have risen by over 1.5 degrees Celsius, surpassing the best case

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goals set by the Paris Agreement.

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These changes have resulted in increased frequency of natural disasters impacting communities

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worldwide, including our very own.

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Many of Earth's tipping points, including the melting of Arctic sea ice and the collapsing

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of the Atlantic, Meridian, all overturning circulation are being passed as we speak, and

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Without a doubt, we'll have huge cascading negative effects on our climate and ecosystems for

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centuries to come.

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Congressman Thompson's resolution, usher's in a new paradigm of climate action.

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It introduces a highly essential complement to not the greenhouse gas reduction paradigm

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set forth in Paris agreement.

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One that not only prevents the worst case scenario, but also revitalizes our communities

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and economy in the long term.

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We must embrace the dual solutions of both restoring the pre-industrial chemistry of our atmosphere while pursuing rapid deep emissions reductions.

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The task of climate restoration is not a small one, but the answers are well within our reach.

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To effectively restore our climate, we must remove 1,000 gigatons of legacy carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, or net 50 gigatons per year, from 2030 to 2050.

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This means that in addition to stopping our current emissions or removing those during via draw-down,

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we have an extra 50 gigatons a year of carbon that we've previously emitted that we're still left to deal with.

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The good news is that nature has removed 10 times this amount of carbon that we need to remove now in the past 1 million years.

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We can replicate and scale these processes to achieve the level of climate restoration that will be necessary to preserve our planet and for my and future generations.

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As a young person working on this resolution

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afternoon everyone. I'm an incoming, my name is

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I'm an incoming sophomore at Stanford University in majoring in Earth systems.

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I'm also a recent graduate of Napa High and the former president of a youth-led environmental activist organization called Napa Schools for Climate Action.

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During my time with the org, I worked to start a project called Climate Restoration, which focuses on uplifting local youth to draft climate policy aimed at tackling the environmental crisis.

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As my friend Maddie explained earlier, the main goal of climate restoration is to complement

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the current Paris Agreement paradigm that solely focuses on greenhouse gas reduction.

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With this topic, our team worked tirelessly back in 2024 to host workshops gathered

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student support and put together clauses for resolutions catered to the NBUSD.

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As a result of this effort, our resolution was passed in April of 2024.

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That following summer, our team used the fact that many of our student members were involved

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with the Office of Congress in Mike Thompson as a pathway to pitching him the idea of transforming

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the school district resolution into a federal level piece of policy. After him and his staff accepted

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our idea, we worked with his legislative analyst in Washington DC to transform the language into

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clauses that would be catered toward the entire nation. From that effort, Thompson first introduced

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the resolution into Congress in November of 2024, and once again into the new Congressional

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session in July of 2025.

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As House Concurrent Resolution 46 titled, expressing the sense of Congress that the U.S. is committed

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to ensuring a safe and healthy climate for future generations, and that's to restoring

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the climate.

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Needless to say, working on this huge project has been one of the most insightful and empowering

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experiences, but the work does not stop now.

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Since July last year, our team worked hard to gain endorsements from jurisdictions and community organizations across California with the goal of getting this resolution into the committee stage.

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Today, after meetings with Climate Action Manager, Deborah Elliott and City Council Member Beth

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Painter, our team is here to request the City of Napa to agendaise an endorsement in support

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of House Concurrent Resolution 46. We urge you to join the organizations, which include

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Napa Valley Vittner's Rotary Club Napa, Napa RCD, to Hamma County RCD, Ventus, Napa Valley

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Community Foundation, California Association of RCDs, and also jurisdictions which include

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of Napa County Board of Education, American City Council, and the Napa County Board of

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Supervisors in endorsing House Concurrent Resolution, 46 through a resolution in support.

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As a government officials, you, as government officials, you have the power to embody urgent

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decision-making in support of not only the environment but the safety of our futures.

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And we hope you exercise that power today.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And we can address that when we finish public comment.

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Dale?

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My concerns is the Measure J project for the community and I was at your meeting at, I

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got to call it Ridgeview and Harvest.

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Anyway, I understand that the classrooms you wish to remove, but as some of the people

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were there, they were thinking of using them and I made a list of what things I had thought

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and somebody else was like a sewing club room where you teach kids how to sew, a knitting

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club, a study hall, place for you can have help with homework, a dance studio, teach different

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ages, all of these dances, place to hold dances for teens, maybe in the gym or something,

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might even be able to use it for the prom, a game room, a bridge room, place for people to meet

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or

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Organize events, daycare, preschool, shops for boys and girls to learn how to take care of a car, build items of wood or a metal, a safe place to hang out, playing games after school, a movie night on the field, give free popcorn, charge to $1.50 for hot dog and drink, reunions, family reunions, parties, like anniversary birth and other type of parties, organizations can use a room to hold a conference.

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Summer Camp for all ages, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Dancer's Idol Place for kids after

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they learned at music classes, and then, you know, be able to play all sports for after

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school, indoor pool, maybe a small library extension, adult education, we need more classes

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for that, for the adults, a skate park, a bike area, I understand the measure was just

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community and then you through in wanting to share 2.65 acres of property, which I feel a

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conflict with the community effort of being a community place for all ages to be safe and there

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should be a clause in your government that states you cannot sell the property in the future

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for housing, at all it stays as a community for the taxpayers over the years who paved into it.

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Maybe, anyway, the housing in the community, if it's too close, I'm not sure how

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affects the kids that come, or the adults, and the traffic, because we already know

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when school was in session, it was an I live in that neighborhood, and I watched the kids

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walk.

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They probably went to Greenmails, and I'd never initiated by the school, got rivet, but that was

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my concern was the traffic, and we know the boys and girls' club is not a community center,

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so they're too small to accommodate what you could be able to deal with the classrooms, the

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sport areas, the track, yes, I'm done. And I would have used the track, then it was done.

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But if you ever considering what to do, go to Benisha. My daughter said they have a great

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community center and they use two school sites. And it's strictly for the community. They don't

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have any housing in there, and they have a community preschool, daycare, me on my me, anyway.

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Thank you for your time, and I hope there is no housing.

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You could always put it behind the buildings on the old cinema road that you're tearing

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down now.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon, Jim Hinton, Canada for a Napa City Council District 3, 45 Spring Street,

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Napa.

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My opponent, Maryleros, voted for this campaign side ordinance that was passed back

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around in 2019 or so with Scott and Jill and Doris and Liz. And in the last two weeks,

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She's already violated her own code twice, Mary.

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You wrote the code that says you cannot have more than 20 square feet

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of signage on a commercial property.

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And on the corner of first street, and so on a trail,

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you put up two 16 foot signs, which is 32 square feet,

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12 more than your law that you wrote aloud.

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And so the planning department and the code enforcement,

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they have to get involved, they have to go look at it,

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They have to verify it, and they have to contact you, and do all this stuff.

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Then you put a sign on First and War as on public infrastructure, which again is violating

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the code that you passed.

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Now there's another complaint because you put more signs where you were told to take them down

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at First and Sovarana Trail.

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You put these oval signs, which I guess we're going to have to have somebody figure out the

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adamant that you want to go from 16 feet to over 20 feet and now we got the planning department,

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the city attorney is involved and because you're not following your own ordinance, Mary,

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you're using up city resources and they all have much more important things to do than to

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please you over your own sign ordinance. So could you please take another look at your ordinance,

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you're an attorney, you should be able to understand it, read it all the way through and move

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forward for the rest of the campaign. Can you please try harder not to violate the code

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and waste our city's resources? I haven't violated any code yet. My science nobody's

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complained about one of them being out of place yet. Well you did compl-

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We're talking about one but you are wrong and it's still there. But please moving forward, let's just try to be respectful and not just paint the whole town with your sign when you wrote an ordinance. Just follow your own rules. Don't be like Gavin Newsom, rules for the not for me. Okay, play by the rules you wrote, please.

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City Clerk, any hands out there in the Zoom world?

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We have no hands, raisins, you, Mayor.

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Anyone in the audience, final public general public comment?

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The two items that I wanted to talk to on Matty, I guess, Matt Alene, and Loretta.

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I wouldn't share about that, did I catch it, right?

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But I know that Beth has had might have something to say, and I'm sure that Council will,

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We have a policy actually on how we look at and endorse certain resolutions or proclamations

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or other things, but Council Member Panner.

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Yes, it's appropriate now, Mayor.

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I'd be happy to first of all thank both, Madeleine and Lilliana for coming and speaking,

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so eloquently to us.

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I do have a copy of the resolution that they are referring to.

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I did meet with them and read it and it's very compelling and I would like to ask that this

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Council, if it's appropriate at this time, if majority of us are willing to move ahead

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to support the resolution that was requested, we could put it on a future agenda item.

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Yeah, I think that's the action that we need to take is that there's a consensus to ask staff

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to look at it and make sure that fits with our approval and our ordinance and then we can

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certainly move it forward.

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Would you like to put me with that?

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Looks like we have five of us, so thank you very much, and I'll provide staff the information

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that I have.

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Yeah, and we can get that done on a future agenda.

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Thank you so much.

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Thanks again for being here.

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Thank you for your hard work and claim it, because that is one of our focus areas as a council

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is climate.

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So, thank you for the work you do out there.

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And then on the harvest comment too, yeah, that's an in progress, you know, there's more

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meetings to come.

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So, a lot of people have a lot of ideas of what could be done out there.

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And we, as a council in a parks and recreation, are going to do the best we can to get everybody's

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needs met out there, but it might not be every need and every person, but we're going

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to do our best with the budget we have.

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So thank you, public comment.

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Still nothing on hands, so we're going to move along.

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We have our consent calendar next, consent calendar items are considered routine and maybe

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if approved by a single vote of the council, however, if member of the public or city council

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may request that a consent item be pulled for discussion.

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There are three consent items tonight, item 6A through six C.

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Can we have a approval of the consent calendar?

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The motion by Council Member Leros.

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Seconded by Council Member Nerviahs, all in favor.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Council.

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Consent calendar moves forward.

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Item 7, our administrative reports.

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Our first one is item 7A.

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be restricted affordable housing impact and building

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fee reduction in waiver program.

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Good afternoon, Mayor Sajile.

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Members of the City Council, Molly Radigan,

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Community Resources and Development Director,

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joined by Stephanie Gaul, our housing manager.

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And we are here to talk to you today

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with Audit Pilot Proposal Program for a reduction

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in affordable housing fees.

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And I use the word reduction today.

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We use the word waiver a little bit

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in our staff report, not our resolution.

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but we were informed that waiver has a very specific connotation and reduction is the better word for us to use.

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As we talk about this program, so we're going to do that.

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And before I start, I just wanted to thank the Executive Team and my fellow department heads.

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I would not be here proposing this, we would not be here proposing this without their support

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and their conversation about impact fees and if there are questions about specific impact fees, they may be able to answer them for you.

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But it's a big ask to think about reducing impact fees for the development of affordable housing and very much so appreciate their willingness to support this pilot program.

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So the program that we're here to propose to you today is it's we're asking you to adopt resolutions that would authorize me as the CRD director to implement a pilot program that reduces certain impact and building permit fees.

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for qualifying deed restricted affordable housing units that we can report on our city of

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Napa's, what we call rena regional housing needs allocation progress report.

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And the why behind that, this is our, this is our rena report as accepted by the state. We have another

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year, but it's not going to be that-

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That drastically different. But this was what has been accepted by the state. We have a obligation to try to permit 770 very low income units between now and 2031. We have done 15 per the state report about 2%. And we have zero in progress at this moment in time. And then for our low income, we have an obligation of 444.

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We have completed 94, which is about 21%, and we have about 25 of those like in progress, and when I say in progress, meaning their building permits have been submitted and are going through that process at this point.

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What we also know is that we have about 400 to 500 potentially eligible arena reportable units that are in various phases of financing and are getting stuck in that financing phase because the state and federal resources that were once available

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are not as plentiful as they were a few years ago when we had such success in opening

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Valley Lodge, Fair Valley Verde here to tell us all of those.

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So our proposal today is, it's a little bit, it's a little bit interesting the timing.

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First off, state law has started to look at options to require that fees be produced, fees

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charged by local cities be produced and we may end up being forced to do that one day.

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But also, just yesterday, Stephanie just shared with me today, the Turner Center, put out a report on what local government should be doing to help incentivize affordable housing and one of their primary recommendations was the idea of reducing impact or building development fees, as well as other requirements for public infrastructure to incentivize affordable housing.

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So we're here today with a proposal, it's two parts, one relates to building permit fees from the building department and one relates to impact fees.

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I'm going to go over them separately, but I'm going to give you the general qualifications. Everybody has to meet these qualifications to qualify for either.

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So the first is that the unit must be evidenced by a deed restriction per our affordable housing ordinance, which means a slight exception with 80 years, but that has to do with state law.

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So if it's rental housing, the deed restriction has to be in place for 55 years or more if it is for sale housing, it's 45 years or more.

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Unless otherwise required by a state or federal funding source, again this comes from a affordable housing ordinance,

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they must utilize eight CD, the state eight CDs annual income limits, which are printed annually and where we get our renin numbers from.

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They must apply the program to qualify must apply an or obtain a building permit between July 1st,

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in December 31st, 2028, and the reason we are back dating into July 1st is we did have a project that did put in before they knew we were doing this potential proposal and we don't want to punish them for being early to the game.

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And then they must be eligible to report on the city's annual renal report.

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That's really important because as you know we have arena sharing agreement with the county of Napa and through this current cycle they have the opportunity to report some units developed in the city of Napa on their county report.

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Those would not qualify for this proposed waiver, the county, my opinion, the county can help jump in and subsidize that if they're going to take the credit for that.

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And then also, you're sometimes see a alternative equivalence to payment of the affordable housing

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impact fee.

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So if an affordable unit is being developed because it was in lieu of paying an impact fee,

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we don't want to count that either for a further discount, kind of a double dipping opportunity

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there.

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So for building permit fees, the proposal is to reduce the following fees, which are the

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That's the redeveloping unit fees with the numbers written there.

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And reduce them 100% for very low-income units,

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so that they would qualify to be reported as a very low-income unit.

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75% for low-income units.

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And then we currently have a program where all of these fees listed here

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are currently discounted at 50% for anything that's 120 below or in ADU.

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Of below, it's currently 500 square feet.

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We're proposing to make that 749 square feet or less because state law already requires that we not charge impact fees for 80 use that are 749 square feet or less.

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So maintaining what is currently in place for moderate income units and for 80 use, increasing the 80 use size to align with the state policy that already exists, but then further reducing for low income and very low income.

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There we go.

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The impact that we estimate, which is to the building, to Manav, my budgets, the building

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department fund, which is a general fund department, is approximately if it is for fully,

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if it were fully utilized by everything we know in the pipeline.

428
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,340
We estimate that over the next three years, the impact would total between $500 and $750,000.

429
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:14,680
As you know, our fees are developed based on a study, a next study.

430
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,540
I'm not concerned about being able to cover this cost over the next three years.

431
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:22,660
Our revenues and our expenses have been on par with where they're supposed to be.

432
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:28,040
And so I think that we will be able to absorb this just fine without a significant impact to the general fund.

433
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:35,760
The next proposal is related to impact fees, and this is the list of eligible fees that we

434
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,960
are proposing for reduction.

435
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,820
I'm not going to read this entire list, but it's mainly the non-infrastructure fees.

436
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:48,300
So if there's something like impact fees for water, for example, we can't by law reduce those

437
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,760
fees because it's a fee for a service or an impact fee for a service.

438
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:55,780
So we're looking at the ones that we have the authority to potentially reduce for affordable housing

439
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:56,140
development.

440
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,180
There's four that are city-wide, the first four, and then the others are areas specific,

441
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:08,860
so it would really only be reduced if a project was built in the area that qualified for that.

442
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:12,880
It's very hard to estimate what that reduction would be because we don't necessarily know that they require.

443
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:17,340
But it's mostly the top four fees that are impacted by this.

444
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:24,240
And in this case, we're proposing that the impact fee be reduced by 100% for very low-income units,

445
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:30,660
75% for low-income units, and then as I said state law already prohibits us from charging

446
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:37,800
in-pot fees for ADUs that are 749 square feet or less, we are not proposing moderate income

447
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,440
here.

448
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:42,280
Honestly, when we did the math, it just, it didn't really make that much of a significant

449
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,300
difference, and it was better to have a higher reduction for very low and low than it was

450
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:49,580
to try to balance it amongst the moderate income units.

451
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,200
We're also proposing a cap on the number of eligible units.

452
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,280
So that we see how this works, and we work on getting to where we need to be with our

453
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:58,860
rena reporting.

454
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,460
So the cap is same timeline constraints to life first to December 31st, 2021, but in addition

455
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:13,180
to that, 250 low-income units would be eligible to receive this reduction in 250 very low-income.

456
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:20,120
And why we like that is it helps, it gets the projects that are ready to go to the finish line,

457
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,600
but it also encourages projects to try to move quicker through the process and get their paperwork

458
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,740
and things in so that they qualify for this reduction.

459
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:31,670
This is where we do see a little bit more of an impact.

460
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:36,970
These are impact-tifinds I'm going to quote Assistant City Manager Julie Lucido, who said,

461
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:40,990
we could not have impact fees or we could not have impact fees and affordable housing.

462
00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:47,890
So we have to sort of take what we're gaining out of this, which is affordable housing.

463
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:50,470
So we may not have impact fees, but we, if we don't,

464
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:52,190
find ways to incentivize affordable housing,

465
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:53,990
we may not have affordable housing either.

466
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:58,430
So using the cap and assuming that the cap is fully utilized,

467
00:42:58,570 --> 00:43:00,970
and I will tell you, I think we can get there on low income.

468
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,050
I think very low income in that number

469
00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,150
is a difficult number to achieve in the next two and a half years,

470
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,070
but I would love to be pleasantly surprised by that.

471
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,670
We're looking at about 1.3, 1.4 million dollars

472
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:19,850
student improvement fees, which do projects like the one you're going to talk about tonight

473
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:20,750
the roundabout.

474
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:27,610
Part dedication fees, the ability to acquire additional park space, park development fees,

475
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:33,590
and paramedic fees are a little bit smaller, significantly smaller, paramedic fees right

476
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:38,190
now significant amount of that impact key fund is being used to pay for fire station, the

477
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:44,590
capital pay about the loans for the fire station five, and then park development may have

478
00:43:44,590 --> 00:43:48,530
direct impact on some of the park projects that we're doing and reducing the funds available

479
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:58,570
for that. So you'll see the totals total about 3.6 million dollars there. But the per unit

480
00:43:58,570 --> 00:44:04,650
reduction is quite significant for projects. It becomes about an $8,000 reduction for a very low income

481
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:12,290
unit and a $6,200 reduction for a low income unit. So it's meaningful to the project.

482
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:21,120
There's a lot more detail in the resolutions on how if a project is part moderate, part low,

483
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,460
part very low, how we will tailor it to make sure that we're only giving the right reductions

484
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:30,720
based on what units are being built either by square footage or by per unit cost.

485
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:34,440
But what we're asking for is adoption of these resolutions.

486
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:37,920
Our next steps would be that we would develop an administrative regulation.

487
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:41,100
That would be reviewed and approved potentially by the city manager.

488
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:47,300
and then work on our application process for this and then report back to you as we get so just

489
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:51,100
going to return to what our proposal is today and we're happy to answer questions.

490
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,320
Thank you, Molly. Any public comment on this administrative report?

491
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,960
I do mayor, I have four cards, a Vinny, I keep.

492
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,280
Can't read the last name? Ryan O'Connell, Rich Wallich, and Caswalker.

493
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:16,060
Hello, Ryan O'Connell, from Napaslana for everyone in strong support of the resolution, as proposed.

494
00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:21,900
It's great to see the city being proactive about making it more affordable, especially to build

495
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:27,980
due to search affordable housing. It's a really direct way to actually impact the costs like the staff.

496
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:35,920
talked about and even if the state is about to push policies like this in the future, it sends a strong signal in the region to affordable housing developers

497
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:42,860
that NAPA is a city that really welcomes that and their development and that's a good thing that comes at a very small cost.

498
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:44,940
So, strong support. Thanks for all the hard work.

499
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,140
Thank you.

500
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:54,640
My name is Vinny Harmonino.

501
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:57,320
I don't blame you for not being able to say it. My penmanship terrible.

502
00:45:57,980 --> 00:46:03,900
But I'm here on behalf of Generation Housing as a resident of NAPA to support this. Thank you for all your work that you're doing on this.

503
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:09,700
I grew up in the Bay Area and I've been working with Generation Housing recently because I was a union

504
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:14,720
rep for teachers union in Arizona where affordable housing was a huge issue across the state

505
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:15,180
there too.

506
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:19,260
So this is not just something that's regional but it's definitely national so it's something

507
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:24,480
we definitely want to be on top of but we support this proposal strongly and we think it will

508
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,900
reduce building permit fees and development impact fees for affordable workforce housing

509
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,200
units including small accessory dwelling units.

510
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,180
Impact and permit fees fund an important infrastructure, but for affordable housing projects

511
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:40,820
they can total over $1 million on a single project, making it harder to secure the financing needed to build.

512
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
A challenge that has stalled many projects across the North Bay.

513
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,140
Reducing these fees removes a significant barrier to getting affordable housing built, this approach works.

514
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:58,780
Sacramento adopted a similar fee waiver in 2019 and tripled its affordable housing production at a cost of roughly three to four thousand dollars per unit.

515
00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:04,400
Santa Rosa and Sonoma County have since launched their own free reduction pilots and those efforts are

516
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:11,640
beginning to see results. The need is clear, NAPOs reach only 2% of its RHNA goal for very low

517
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,880
in communits and 21% for low in communits. We additionally ask the council to consider two things going

518
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,200
forward. One, review the policies impact after an initial period to inform future expansion.

519
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:24,300
And

520
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:28,980
If the policy proves successful, consider expanding the unit caps in the impact fee resolution

521
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:34,580
to extend its impact further. The current cap of 250, very low income and 250 low income.

522
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,340
It's reasonable and is a great starting point but we welcome future increases tied to progress

523
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:45,060
across the city's RHNA requirements. Thank you for your time to hear me out. Thank you for the work

524
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:46,820
you put in. Thank you.

525
00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:59,630
Good afternoon. Mayor and council members. I'm a cast walker on here representing

526
00:47:59,630 --> 00:48:03,230
and gas foundation and nap housing coalition.

527
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:05,710
So I've been in front of you before

528
00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:07,250
and thank you for all your support

529
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:09,850
for our recent Affordable Housing Projects.

530
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:16,230
We pollheartedly support this pilot program.

531
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:18,630
I hope it goes further than just being a pilot program.

532
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:20,950
And I want to compliment city staff

533
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:23,530
and the leadership on the council to move this forward.

534
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:26,870
Getting 250 units in the pipeline quickly

535
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:28,650
could make a world of difference

536
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:30,350
to many of our families in this community.

537
00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:33,030
So we wholeheartedly support this,

538
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:36,250
and hope it's the beginning of many other wonderful pilot programs.

539
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:37,730
Thank you, Cass.

540
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:39,190
It was good to see

541
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:44,980
you.

542
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:45,620
Hi, everyone.

543
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,340
Rich Wallace with Burbank Housing,

544
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,880
and just want to speak obviously in support of this program.

545
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,060
It's really important.

546
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:58,820
And we've seen this happen in Sonoma County so far.

547
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:03,160
Sonoma County, Santa Rosa, Petaluma was really the lead.

548
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,840
and actually came out of a couple of projects

549
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,860
that we were struggling with because of those fees,

550
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,220
which were, I think it was 1.6 million

551
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:13,300
and one and a million on the other.

552
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,780
School fees, unfortunately, can't be addressed

553
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:21,600
by the cities, but that's always another big item.

554
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:23,800
But we know that you're doing your part,

555
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,280
and we appreciate that effort.

556
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:26,700
So thank you.

557
00:49:26,860 --> 00:49:28,140
Thank you for coming over.

558
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:35,750
Jerry Hanson, Napitamber of Commerce,

559
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:46,430
We too support these resolutions and I'll just start with the end as we encourage you to approve both resolutions and authorize your director to move forward with

560
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:55,870
Administrating the program and getting all that details out, but from our perspective as a business organization housing really is also a business issue.

561
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:59,910
It's an economic development issue. It's helping our businesses.

562
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:15,780
Who are trying to attract and retain employees? Housing is a barrier. And the lack of housing, I should say, is a barrier. And so, we realize there are a lot of things out of our control and out of your control that are impacting the ability of housing units to be built.

563
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:25,820
And the supply to increase the financing is one big piece that your director mentioned. But thank you for taking something that is in your control and doing something about it.

564
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:34,520
We again, wholeheartedly support this and our eager to help you get the word out about it and work with your staff to get the word out to our business community.

565
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:40,480
There's anything to need from us. We are here, but we are thrilled that you're piloting this program.

566
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Because again, housing, it is a business issue, but it's also a human issue.

567
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:52,640
And we would really like to have anyone who would like to live in this community, who works in this community to be able to afford to live in this community.

568
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,100
Thank you, dear.

569
00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:01,630
Mary and council members.

570
00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:04,390
My name is Brandon Dnon with Legacy Development Company.

571
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:08,070
Just heard about the policy that you guys were going to discuss today.

572
00:51:08,590 --> 00:51:10,370
I want to show a support for that.

573
00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:15,010
We've worked on this program as well as in Sacramento and San Ramon.

574
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:19,790
It's been a very successful in helping those projects get funded with tax credits and moving the projects forward.

575
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:22,390
I'm working on two projects right now in the city.

576
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:27,390
My only suggestion so much of the previous speaker was to see if you could make this a permanent

577
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:31,590
Policy to going forward as well as allow staff flexibility

578
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:37,710
If one bucket gets overfunded over subscribed in the low income bucket

579
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:43,670
Maybe they could borrow units from the very low bucket and algae those up as they get over subscribe

580
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:46,550
So that might be something they bring back forward in the future

581
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:49,590
All right, thank you. Thanks for coming over

582
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:57,180
Jim hint in 45 spring street

583
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:22,740
Last week, I attended this department head thing in the back as a City Council candidate and a question that I had been asking frequently was why did you raise all these fees back in February and I finally got the answer that you raised all these fees because you hired a consultant and that's what they said to do.

584
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:29,200
And, you know, I grew up in this town and when I was younger, people had dreams of being homeowners.

585
00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:32,980
You know, they wanted to get a home in Napa and be a property owner.

586
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:37,320
And now it's like that's not even realistic anymore.

587
00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:43,500
And it's about building affordable housing, affordable housing, affordable housing, affordable housing.

588
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:52,580
And it's sad to see that we're not focused on getting young families into home ownership

589
00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:58,540
more than we are trying to create this whole thing here.

590
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,480
And why if you're going to lower the fees for these builders, which you should do, I mean

591
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,500
you've got both hands and everybody's pocket trying to build right now, or that's even more

592
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:10,260
than both hands.

593
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:15,960
There was like eight fees on that slide. She put up there and you create so much red tape

594
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520
You create so many fees. Why would anybody want to build

595
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,040
Family housing and market rate housing and nap, but when you you you're just

596
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,700
You got you the more fees you charge the more expensive everything is it's economics

597
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:34,520
It's you know, it's simple, but if you're gonna roll back these fees

598
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,480
You should consider rolling back other fees for people that are trying to build a house

599
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,660
You know, if they're remodeling their house and rebuilding and whatever, there's a lot of people do that around here

600
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:53,620
And you ought to roll back all those fees and red tape on them, too, and make it easier for people in this town to build housing

601
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:57,740
that it would address what the community wants.

602
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:02,160
Any hands?

603
00:54:03,460 --> 00:54:05,880
I have no hands raised on Zoom here.

604
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Okay, do you want else?

605
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:16,380
All right, we'll bring it back to Council for any deliberation, action, questions.

606
00:54:19,350 --> 00:54:21,710
I have Council Member Painter.

607
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:23,050
Okay.

608
00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:24,030
Thank you.

609
00:54:24,130 --> 00:54:28,730
Thank you for the presentation and the information and all the speakers who spoke in support

610
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:30,030
of this pilot program.

611
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:34,550
I'll start with the end, which is I'm very supportive of moving forward with this pilot

612
00:54:34,550 --> 00:54:43,010
program, and I would agree with some of the speakers who said, can we please consider coming back?

613
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:50,330
I don't know, six months or something well before the end of the pilot program so that we can get an update, assess what went well,

614
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:57,590
where we want to make amendments so that we can either extend the pilot program or continue it so that we don't have a gap in time.

615
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:59,070
So that would be my one request.

616
00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:59,970
Um...

617
00:55:00,730 --> 00:55:15,070
But I do have one question just so that we're all clear on the impact fees. Some of them, in terms of, and I'm looking at the slide, that list by category for impact fees.

618
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:23,290
Some may just be, as you mentioned, less money towards park development, some street improvement.

619
00:55:23,770 --> 00:55:30,990
Some may need to be made up by the general fund, is the anticipation that the general fund would cover those fees under impact

620
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:33,910
that we really need to make sure we collect fees for.

621
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:35,910
Yeah, where are not proposed?

622
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:36,750
Thank you for that question.

623
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:43,190
We're not proposing at this time to take general fund money and backfill any lost revenues and impact fee funds.

624
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:50,010
I do think that particularly with some of the street improvement fees and part fees and why not.

625
00:55:50,050 --> 00:56:01,030
It may mean that we have to go for larger grant amounts or look at other funding sources to fill in what would be missing from some of the impact fees if there is transportation dollars or whatnot.

626
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:09,170
But at this moment in time, we are not proposing to take general fund to back fill a dollar for dollar or even percentage loss.

627
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:22,670
However, as projects do come out, that may be a consideration that needs to come into play, that if we do not have adequate funds in those buckets to put them towards the purpose that it may need to be necessary to make that recommended.

628
00:56:22,850 --> 00:56:25,170
It may be. We just need to be mindful of that. Thank you.

629
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:37,600
Yeah, and I think the report back was in the next steps too, so yeah, I think we all expect that to see how it's working. Hopefully we get the numbers that we desperately need.

630
00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:41,060
Thank you for the report.

631
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:42,860
I'm very much in support of this.

632
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,380
What's happening now is not working.

633
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:48,800
I know five developments that are out there that are just waiting to get across the finish line.

634
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,020
I think we need to make the investment to get them across the finish line.

635
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:54,540
I think this is a prudent and smart way to do it.

636
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,000
Thank you.

637
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:58,420
You can also move on.

638
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,520
Right.

639
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:01,240
I'll echo that in support.

640
00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:03,440
Thank you for bringing this up.

641
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:18,420
You know, the cap, you know, I'm open to, you know, as we get closer, but also hoping that the commitment from developers are coming in, you know, they get close to that number to say, yeah, we have that commitment because we can't do this on our own, right?

642
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:22,060
So I'm hoping that we're on the right path, I think that we are.

643
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:26,820
And this is not the only thing that we see to help people be housed.

644
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,060
There's a lot of other programs.

645
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:33,560
This is complimenting, you know, wide range of programs available to our community,

646
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:38,080
away from homelessness to first home buyers.

647
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:44,520
So, you know, I'm really proud of the effort that we're all doing to help making housing more affordable.

648
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:50,300
I mean, we don't build affordable housing and they make it affordable through the number of investments.

649
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:55,360
So, you know, every word that we can come in to help lower that barrier for people.

650
00:57:55,620 --> 00:58:01,780
I'm very supportive of, and you know, I'm looking forward to the update as we get closer to that cap.

651
00:58:02,060 --> 00:58:03,300
Thank you.

652
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,120
Council Mayor Lerals.

653
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,400
Thank you.

654
00:58:06,740 --> 00:58:09,520
I'm on the email list for the Turner Center for Housing Innovation.

655
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:14,420
Also, and I saw that email go out yesterday about the report regarding impact view reforms.

656
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,980
And I thought, ooh, we're so on top of this. This is so timely.

657
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:20,940
So thank you for being on top of it for bringing this to us.

658
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,220
My initial response to the proposed cap was why would we want to limit it?

659
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:30,120
But I think you're right, I think creating a bit of buzz to encourage people and incentivize

660
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,300
people to move quickly is going to be really good.

661
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,180
Looking at our read and numbers, we really have to do something to move the very low and

662
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:38,020
low income numbers.

663
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,080
So thank you again for bringing this to us.

664
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,760
And I agree, I would like to come back and revisit it before we hit that cap so that we can

665
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,400
decide, you know, whether and how to extend it, thank you.

666
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,580
Thank you very much.

667
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:52,680
Yeah, I think we're all in agreement here.

668
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:57,700
I mean, we've looked critically at, you know, the process on, you know,

669
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,740
not yesterday or maybe a couple of case studies along the way.

670
00:59:01,980 --> 00:59:05,720
Now that maybe somebody takes advantage of these reduced fees and permits

671
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,300
and do an actual case study other project.

672
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,860
And especially I'm taking ADUs, right, because I still get comments from people

673
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:15,840
on, you know, to get through the simplest, the 500 square foot

674
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,480
A to you.

675
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,900
And so it might be interesting in that reporting out

676
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:22,860
to see where, you know, I were doing for this effort that we've had

677
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:26,920
a lot of hope for when we first started talking about, we called

678
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,540
them Granny units then, right?

679
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:31,540
And so, how many grandmas are there?

680
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,680
So that would be a good thing that we might look

681
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,560
at down the road.

682
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,320
So I don't see any more questions, so I'm looking for a

683
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:48,280
I think I heard maybe all of us in support of, but maybe Council Member Painter, I think you're out there.

684
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:56,100
Yeah, I would go ahead and make a motion to adopt the resolutions as proposed to move forward with the pilot program as described.

685
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Thank you.

686
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,740
The motion by Council Member Painter, second by Council Member Devices.

687
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,020
Any opposed? Thank you very much. Thanks, Stephanie. Thanks, Molly.

688
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:35,440
Item 7B. This is our lead California City's resolution, voting authorization. I think we were also Mayor Painter was our representative, but then I think we have a change and I see the assistant city manager coming up here to share a little of this.

689
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,060
Yes, thank you Mayor Liz Habkirk with the City Manager's office.

690
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:44,300
The item before you today is a reconsideration of your council's direction to the voting

691
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:48,600
delegate to the League of California City's further annual conference being held next

692
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:48,900
week.

693
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,860
There's one resolution under consideration by the league.

694
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,080
As we review the resolution with a more full packet along with letters to support provided

695
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,880
by CalCities last week, we flag some possible concerns with the language that emphasized

696
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,520
the potential constitutional amendment as soon as the year 2030, based on the recommendations

697
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,260
of the working group that the resolution is proposing to establish. Although the language

698
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:16,660
also includes the possibility of other legislative actions or alternate means that may come

699
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:21,340
out of its recommendations. From this working group, we would encourage CalCities to first do

700
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:25,880
some additional outreach to all member cities before considering moving a constitutional amendment

701
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,940
forward based on the recommendations of this particular group that's established. For that reason,

702
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:34,620
We thought it would be prudent to have the council direct their voting delegate to vote

703
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:39,820
no on this specific resolution, but encouraged to discussion of alternate ways to continue

704
01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:43,380
the dialogue on the state's efforts regarding affordable housing development.

705
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,340
As your voting delegate, Council Member Painter may have some additional thoughts she'd

706
01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:47,780
like to include.

707
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:50,220
I'm happy to answer any questions at this time.

708
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:50,800
Thank you.

709
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,580
No, thank you very much for outlining that and thank you for including the packet.

710
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:06,060
The only thing I would add is that this will be considered by the policy committee prior to the conference.

711
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:08,520
It will also be considered by the Resolutions Committee.

712
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,220
So we will be getting additional information.

713
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:22,260
And when I looked at the packet and looked at the level of detail, I wanted to bring it back for reconsideration to this council.

714
01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:27,400
So I hope you had a chance to read the packet of, and I think Liz can answer questions as well.

715
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,880
I may just add, Mr. Mayor, the league encourages councils to provide direction to their voting delegate.

716
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,220
It's not required, but it is encouraged by the league before the delegate arrives at the conference.

717
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:45,300
So the action for us is to ask you to vote in opposition, but obviously you have the opportunity to.

718
01:02:46,540 --> 01:03:07,460
Well, I don't want to, you know, I think as Liz described, you could, we could choose to take no action and just have me follow the recommendations of the committees that will be reviewing this or, or to ask that I vote against this policy based on the information you have in front of you right now.

719
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,340
And the other comments from council members?

720
01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:21,270
Take no action on the item or instruct our voting delegate to vote in opposition.

721
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:34,210
Well, because you're carrying our message if you are uncomfortable with taking that direction

722
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:39,150
at this meeting, I may be no motion come forward, so I guess there's no action on the item.

723
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:40,850
And we'll trust you to make the best judgment.

724
01:03:41,770 --> 01:03:46,630
If I'm name Mr. Mayor, because your council did vote affirmatively to have your voting delegate

725
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:49,210
vote yes at the August 18th City Council meeting.

726
01:03:49,690 --> 01:03:53,830
I think you need to take an action to either provide the voting delegate with discretion

727
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:55,210
or to vote in opposition.

728
01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:56,910
That's not in the agenda.

729
01:04:00,070 --> 01:04:03,170
Yeah, but not to undo what we did last meeting.

730
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:11,110
The recommended action today is to direct your voting delegate to vote no in opposition of the

731
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,150
policy resolution at the conference next week.

732
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:17,130
Of course, in all turn of the city attorney, but I think your council has the ability to provide

733
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:22,550
a different direction to your voting delegate based on that is not in staff recommendation,

734
01:04:23,130 --> 01:04:24,610
but in accordance with item.

735
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:30,500
Well, Council Member, Vice Mayor, Dean of the House.

736
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:31,820
Just one question.

737
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,200
Going through the process, if it does go to committees, will that drastically change our

738
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:36,780
feeling on it?

739
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:41,500
We see that we'll get more information as it moves through committees at the conference next

740
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:41,700
week?

741
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,820
I can't say that I can speak in detail to that.

742
01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:47,720
I haven't seen many of these resolutions move through

743
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,220
maybe after my colleagues can maybe have more experience

744
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:54,280
with the League of Cities, but I think generally they're

745
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,480
they're voting on the resolution.

746
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,140
I think if it was a significant amendment,

747
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,920
they might likely bring it back in another.

748
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:06,100
So, I would expect it to be a similar, similar to the recommended resolution that we have.

749
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,860
And then, secondly, can we rescind what we did last week without making a vote, proposed voting, no?

750
01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:15,280
I think you can, yes.

751
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:17,280
Thank

752
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:19,740
you.

753
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:20,820
Councilman O'Leros.

754
01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:22,560
I think that sounded like a motion.

755
01:05:23,660 --> 01:05:25,360
And I would second it.

756
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:26,980
All right, so the motion.

757
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:31,380
We'll make a motion to rescind our action from last meeting.

758
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:37,400
and to vote yes on the item and make no motion on direction for voting at the conference.

759
01:05:37,420 --> 01:05:38,640
And it was a second.

760
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,780
We're second.

761
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:40,920
Good direction.

762
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,660
All in favour?

763
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:42,820
Aye.

764
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:43,080
Aye.

765
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,520
Are you opposed?

766
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:45,120
Thanks.

767
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:46,200
Thank you.

768
01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:49,830
Okay.

769
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:53,510
We are at now item eight.

770
01:05:53,590 --> 01:05:54,870
This is a public hearing.

771
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:58,130
This is an interesting one.

772
01:05:58,350 --> 01:05:59,970
Assembly Bill 1572.

773
01:05:59,970 --> 01:06:05,470
non-functional turf irrigation regulations amendment to the Napa municipal code.

774
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:14,050
So as it is a public hearing we will first we will hear a report from staff which may include

775
01:06:14,050 --> 01:06:19,730
responses and clarifying questions for members of council. Next members of council will be asked to

776
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:24,670
disclose information learned outside of the hearing and then members of the public will be provided

777
01:06:24,670 --> 01:06:29,270
the opportunity to present testimony regarding the proposed ordinance amendment.

778
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:33,350
Finally, we will close the public hearing testimony and Council will deliberate.

779
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:35,950
So thank you so much, Ian.

780
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:37,270
Pat Giselle.

781
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:42,470
Yes.

782
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:44,250
Good afternoon, Mayor.

783
01:06:44,650 --> 01:06:50,270
And Council, Pat Giselle, Utilities Department, Water Resources, Water Conservation.

784
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:59,270
I'm here as a messenger today, a messenger in the sense that this AB 1572 did not arise

785
01:06:59,270 --> 01:07:06,250
from our department or a local proposal, it is a state mandate, but I'm not just a messenger

786
01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:13,070
I do understand why it arose and I do think we have a community that is well prepared for

787
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:20,410
this and it affects the subset of a subset of our customer base who we are prepared to work with

788
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:27,590
in partnership as this gets phased in. So I'm going to get right to what it is.

789
01:07:30,010 --> 01:07:31,430
Assuming I can advance

790
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:32,170
slides.

791
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:43,310
Okay. All right. Okay. AB 1572 prohibits the use of drinking water for the irrigation

792
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:49,370
of non-functional turf, and I will be defining that for you. On commercial, industrial,

793
01:07:49,570 --> 01:07:57,430
and institutional properties, excluding cemeteries, and the common areas of HOA and apartment

794
01:07:57,430 --> 01:08:04,490
complexes. It's phased in over three years. So it begins next year for government

795
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:12,510
owned properties. That would be us city property, 2028 for other institutional

796
01:08:12,510 --> 01:08:16,830
properties besides government owned and all commercial and industrial

797
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:18,290
properties.

798
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,460
And then in 2029 finally for the HOA and apartment complex common

799
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:35,500
areas. Okay, there is an exception to use potable drinking water to ensure the health of trees

800
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:41,980
and other perennial non-terf plantings. This rose because the drought of the mid-2010s

801
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,820
resulted in a lot of tree dye off that was not the goal of the drought measures.

802
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:55,600
So this actually has a provision. We do not want to kill trees that happen to be in turf areas

803
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:06,600
that, you know, they've dependent on that irrigation of the lawn, their whole lives, and it's a shock to them to cut that off, so that's not the goal. There is an exception for that.

804
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:16,740
Okay, single family residential properties and properties using recycled water are unaffected by AB 1572.

805
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:23,880
I'm going to repeat that single-family residential properties and properties using recycled water on our

806
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:24,180
fected.

807
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,740
So no one's coming for your backyard or your front yard if you have lawn, that's functional,

808
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:33,780
that's okay.

809
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:39,480
The origins of this, you would think, okay, this must have started in California, right?

810
01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:48,700
You know, our neighbor, Nevada, AB-356, five years ago was enacted.

811
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:59,980
They have a fairly dire situation in the Vegas area and other parts that use the Colorado Riverwater, and they see.

812
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:10,000
A real waste in using that water on grass areas that are high water use that aren't being used, that are non-functional.

813
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:16,040
Okay, something else came out the following year of a report for the Governor climate report.

814
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:26,160
California's water supply strategy adapting to a hotter dryer future that looked at more extremes, more extreme droughts could happen in the future.

815
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:38,160
And so this is a factor in leading to look at these grass areas that maybe aren't appropriate for our climate and why are we using this water for them when they're not performing a real function for us.

816
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:49,320
Generally, the state wants to reduce reliance on the Sacramento River Delta and we of course import water from the Delta as part of our supply portfolio.

817
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:59,550
And from the water supplier side, there was strong backing by the biggest water district in the state,

818
01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:02,450
met Metropolitan Water District of Southern California.

819
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:09,550
Big proponent that see it as a means of addressing their supply demand balance in the future

820
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:13,250
and their reliability in their area.

821
01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:18,930
And so the law was signed late 2023,

822
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:27,310
I think the root of all many of our water conservation

823
01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:29,570
laws come from this.

824
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:35,290
This is California State Constitution, Article 10, Section 2.

825
01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:39,130
Really, we have to remember, we know what he owns the water.

826
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:41,190
We just have legal rights to the water.

827
01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:59,070
So this section emphasizes that the right to water from any natural stream or water course in the state is limited to water that is required for a beneficial use to be served.

828
01:11:59,070 --> 01:12:07,070
beneficial use, the key phrase, and the right does not extend to the waste or unreasonable use.

829
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:19,250
So, wasting water is kind of forbidden in the state constitution, and that's kind of a root of many of our laws on this.

830
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:26,410
So, I will, throughout the key definitions that help you understand what non-functional turf is.

831
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:34,730
Okay, turf is a living ground cover surface of mode grass, okay, you know what grass with turf is.

832
01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:43,470
Non-functional is any turf that is not functional turf and functional turf is defined more thoroughly in the law.

833
01:12:44,710 --> 01:12:47,790
Okay, functional turf, what is functional turf?

834
01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:57,210
It's turf located in a recreational use area or community space and I'll get to those definitions next.

835
01:12:57,810 --> 01:13:08,990
And there is a specific, if it's enclosed by fencing or other barriers to prevent humans from entering, that's by definition, not functional.

836
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:16,630
Okay, so functional areas include a recreational use area and an important, these are designated

837
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:24,410
by the owner of the property or a government agency that accommodates humans for recreation

838
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:32,150
such as sports field, obviously golf courses playgrounds, picnic areas, pet exercise areas.

839
01:13:32,850 --> 01:13:40,750
not any area that a pet might do its business on the grass, no, a pet, an area that's

840
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:47,710
for pet runs and a pet exercise there. And it can be formal or informal, the recreation.

841
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:53,890
Okay, another functional area is a community space. Again, designated by the owner or a government

842
01:13:53,890 --> 01:14:00,210
agency to accommodate human foot traffic, for civic, ceremonial or other community events

843
01:14:00,210 --> 01:14:01,450
or social gatherings.

844
01:14:02,490 --> 01:14:07,310
And here you can probably see why they didn't really need a carve-out cemeteries as being excluded

845
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:12,890
because they would be a community space with the ceremonial nature that happens in cemeteries.

846
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:19,790
Okay, one of the provisions in the law, of course, is for us to educate, make the affected

847
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:20,790
customers aware.

848
01:14:22,090 --> 01:14:27,270
So we, as a public water system, shall communicate the requirements to their customers of the

849
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:27,590
law.

850
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:36,470
So we did gather, well, I want to point out that, unlike urban water management plan that

851
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:42,330
we did a few months ago, are making water conservation away of the life regulations where

852
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:46,170
we meet the gallons per capita per day that I've talked about.

853
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:52,110
Those affect only urban water suppliers of a certain size, and in this county it's only

854
01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:54,170
the city of Napa and the city of American Canyon.

855
01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:58,570
This law is not like that, this affects every square foot of the state.

856
01:14:59,550 --> 01:14:59,970
So...

857
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:08,140
Earlier this year, gathered with, we have an informal county-wide water conservation group.

858
01:15:09,620 --> 01:15:15,960
So anyone who deals with water use efficiency in the other cities or the county, and we had a meeting.

859
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:25,340
Largely, it was enabled me to share resources that we got from CalWeb, the California water efficiency partnership.

860
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:39,420
We've been members of them and their predecessor organizations since 2002 and they spent the last couple years putting together a great toolkit for agencies and things for the general public and the affected customers.

861
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:53,260
So we shared those resources talked about strategy and adoption and have also shared our action tonight and the supporting documents with them and we'll be continuing to correspond with them on this as they adopt.

862
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:02,180
Okay, we will in the near term be meeting with the government-owned property managers, Parks

863
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:02,720
and Rec.

864
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:11,520
We are not dramatically affected because you can imagine parks are pretty much all functional.

865
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:18,320
There are pockets that could be considered non-functional, but I think our park staff have

866
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,040
been doing some transformations of some of these areas into more water-wise plantings,

867
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,160
last couple of years.

868
01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:29,920
But I will get to where we are right here.

869
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:34,640
I'll show you a map of this parcel and talk about a little bit.

870
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,440
So we'll meet with those entities.

871
01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:41,980
And then, over the course, through the rest of the year,

872
01:16:42,340 --> 01:16:45,320
we'll be doing notification letters to all of the potentially

873
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,880
effective customers in ones that don't have to deal with it until

874
01:16:50,620 --> 01:17:10,700
It's because I have access to maps which indicate what the State Department of Water Resources considers to be non-functional turf areas in our community based on aerial imagery taken in 2020 and analysis that they have done in partnership with a contractor.

875
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:20,100
So, we have that ability to correspond to the, you know, a few hundred customers, several

876
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,920
hundred customers that could be affected by this.

877
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:24,320
Okay.

878
01:17:26,060 --> 01:17:27,740
We will have a dedicated webpage.

879
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:34,600
We will do, we can do targeted bill inserts and bill messages to just the affected customers.

880
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:44,320
And through business, existing business, newsletters, however, this is a subset of the commercial

881
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,400
customer base.

882
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:51,240
You know all the businesses in town that do not have a spec of grass anywhere near them.

883
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,880
We can do special workshops.

884
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:00,240
We do our annual water-wise landscaping workshops series with a couple, especially devoted

885
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:04,440
transforming unused law into something more climate appropriate.

886
01:18:05,140 --> 01:18:18,460
We have those for the general public coming up October 7th and 14th, but we can have dedicated workshops just dealing with non-functional turf transformation for the commercial sector.

887
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,380
So that's something we would consider.

888
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:30,080
We also have an annual climate-friendly garden tour, which shows off not just single-family homes that have transformed unused law and but commercial businesses and

889
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:30,860
institutions.

890
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:37,200
I do want to show you, this is from CalWeb's LAMX

891
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,600
Flore, that stands for landscape array measurement,

892
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,800
which is the DWR aerial imagery data,

893
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:48,800
and a company called EagleAriel set this up for CalWeb

894
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,020
members to use.

895
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:54,860
So I can look at any parcel, and the gold areas,

896
01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:57,980
the yellow is just highlighting the parcel boundary.

897
01:18:57,980 --> 01:19:06,460
the gold areas are the, what BWR considers to be non-functional turf. So I'll point out some

898
01:19:06,460 --> 01:19:14,380
drawbacks. You see a couple pockets up on the top. That is actually mulch right now. That's

899
01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:21,720
not turf. And then obviously the front of City Hall, we do have non-functional turf.

900
01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:28,770
But

901
01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:35,910
round-true thing shows that they missed non-functional turf in the northeast and southeast.

902
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:44,680
They're covered by the tree canopy, so the aerial imagery doesn't capture them, but we

903
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,660
know obviously there's turf under there.

904
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:51,540
But the biggest issue at this site is the tree health exemption.

905
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:58,380
There are many mature trees on the lawn here that are, I'm sure they're getting, they're

906
01:19:58,380 --> 01:19:59,220
out of their irrigation.

907
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:14,540
All of their irrigation from the lawn watering. Ideally, you'd have trees in a transformation project. You'd have trees on separate, a separate valve and they'd be drip irrigated and then you could stop watering the grass and transform it.

908
01:20:15,220 --> 01:20:29,140
But the tree health exemption is in play for this particular site. But again, I'm not finding many pockets of non-functional turf on other city properties and we don't have big grass, medians and road, middle of roads and things like that.

909
01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:38,540
Okay, I can't overstate enough how important the resources from CalWeb have been.

910
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:46,780
The outreach toolkit will provide us good techniques that we've already started using

911
01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,120
for commercial industrial sector.

912
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:57,980
The HOA's property managers, schools, the landscapers, the landscape companies that are

913
01:20:57,980 --> 01:21:03,960
affected and developers, however, point out developers with our long-standing enforcement

914
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:10,040
of the water-efficient landscape ordinance, new construction doesn't slap in non-functional

915
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:14,900
turf, you know, in middle parking lot island, a big piece of grass, that doesn't really

916
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:15,600
happen anymore.

917
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,540
So we don't have to worry about new construction.

918
01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:24,800
The other thing CalWeb put together is a public-facing website, non-functional turfca.org.

919
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:31,480
And it has areas for all these types of customers and our ordinance, if adopted, we'll

920
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:38,940
get placed in the link down here, because the idea is to search for how it affects you as a business

921
01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:44,620
or a property owner, and it has a little questionnaire about, do I have non-functional turf?

922
01:21:44,620 --> 01:21:46,220
And it goes through like this little quiz.

923
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,860
However, as I said, we're going to reach out to ours

924
01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:51,840
with the individual letter with the map of their parcel.

925
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,560
And that letter will have it give us a chance

926
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,760
to get feedback from that and whether they agree,

927
01:21:58,700 --> 01:22:03,300
disagree with what we and the DWR think about their non-functional turf.

928
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:14,600
OK, this log, it only requires that you

929
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:24,460
It does not explicitly require you to remove this, but a brown and weedy areas like shown here are not the goal.

930
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:31,240
The underlying goal of this is transformation. Transformation to more climate appropriate.

931
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:43,880
Well, if you're familiar with the lost florist community center, not the renovation going on now, but the landscape areas in the frontage and along with the parking strip.

932
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,840
and around the parking lot.

933
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:48,440
And that's years ago that would have been

934
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:49,920
a thing that would have had all graphs

935
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,120
and no one would be using that grass.

936
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,940
But now it's something really appropriate

937
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:58,000
for our Mediterranean climate and a beautiful

938
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,760
and way less water use.

939
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,140
So again, we want to partner with customers

940
01:23:06,140 --> 01:23:09,380
as this gets phased in and really steer them

941
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:12,140
toward transformation of landscapes

942
01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:20,080
of unknown functional turf areas, and to that end we have made our biggest change to the cash

943
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:29,100
for grass turf removal rebate programs since its inception in 2010. We have taken the square

944
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:34,560
footage originally as $50 and I was a dollar. We made it $2 per square foot turf removed

945
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:41,980
across the board for all customers, but we've increased the site maximum for one account for

946
01:23:41,980 --> 01:23:45,540
The single-family can get up to $2,000 now instead of $750.

947
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:50,540
The commercial is essentially the sector is affected by this law,

948
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,440
can it up to $10,000 per site.

949
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,760
We also have a bonus dollar per square foot

950
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,140
for what would be considered rain gardens,

951
01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:01,860
features,

952
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,640
areas that's a rain garden.

953
01:24:06,170 --> 01:24:09,950
So our compliance besides as the property owners

954
01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:17,130
who may have some non-functional turf ourselves, one of the things in the law is by no

955
01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:25,370
later than January 1st, to revise our regulations ordinances or policies governing water

956
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:28,710
service to include the requirements of AB 1572.

957
01:24:30,090 --> 01:24:36,210
So what we have chosen to do, and this was what my instinct and also was the number one recommendation

958
01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:44,170
by cow up in their toolkit prepared for agencies across the state is if you already have provisions

959
01:24:44,170 --> 01:24:52,170
in your municipal code with water waste prohibitions then you can simply insert this as one of those

960
01:24:52,170 --> 01:24:59,970
prohibitions and so that's the approach we've taken here and since we have chapter 13.09 which was

961
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,140
Last updated right after the 2021-22-23 drought was in spring 2023. We have permanent waterways

962
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:22,400
prohibitions in there. But we've simply, and those include like not watering sidewalk, you know,

963
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:28,440
excess runoff running down the gutter, you know, things like that. But we can simply add to that section

964
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:38,040
5 key definitions that I showed you that help define what non-functional turf is as a help

965
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:45,540
to the reader. But in the waterways prohibitions, we just can add item D, which points

966
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:53,400
to the California water code sections that lay out AB 1572. And that is because if they

967
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:59,740
week at AB 1572 at the state level, we may not have to make any change here. We would

968
01:25:59,740 --> 01:26:04,140
if they did something substantive that contradicted, you know, the basic provisions of it,

969
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:10,720
but I don't see them doing that. So we direct to that with, you know, a general statement

970
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:16,880
of what the ban is is on the irrigation of non-functional turf. Though that's our approach, and then

971
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:21,480
There's an exception for it's explicit on the tree health.

972
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:28,620
It's that the irrigation zones on a property, so the valve that serves that area of the

973
01:26:28,620 --> 01:26:36,600
landscape, if it includes this tree that's dependent on the lawn watering, that zone can be

974
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,900
exempt from the ban on the use of drinking water.

975
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:47,840
It's not a great final product if you have a picture area that has turf and then the grass

976
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,280
is green around the tree and then there's a brown area and then there's another green

977
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:52,780
air.

978
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,260
It would look kind of silly.

979
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,240
So again, the goal is transformation.

980
01:26:57,180 --> 01:27:05,260
Ideally, we would steer properties to put trees on separate valves with trip and transform

981
01:27:05,260 --> 01:27:06,920
the grass into something better.

982
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,760
But there are definitely some trees that were grown up with shallow roots because they

983
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:17,620
they've been dependent on this watering and you would harm them if you just stopped cold.

984
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:25,580
So these water, again, are efforts of all the education and working with customers.

985
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:34,780
But all of the waterways provisions can advance to warning and then 100, 200, and then $500

986
01:27:34,780 --> 01:27:40,780
or administrative citations, which can be per day of violation when it gets to the extreme.

987
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:48,300
So they can be enforced with fines, and so I'll go to questions.

988
01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:55,320
And if one of your questions is that non-functional in this photo, the answer is yes.

989
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:56,780
Answer is yes.

990
01:27:57,980 --> 01:27:58,720
Thank you, Pat.

991
01:27:59,100 --> 01:27:59,440
You're welcome.

992
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,740
Well, would comment, or disclosures for any disclosures?

993
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:08,060
No disclosures. No disclosures. No disclosures. No disclosures. No disclosures.

994
01:28:08,060 --> 01:28:15,900
No disclosures. Well, the comment and you want to wish to address the council on this non-usable turf.

995
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:23,460
I have no cards and no one on Zoom here. No hands, no cards. Thank you. Thank you.

996
01:28:23,460 --> 01:28:28,100
Motion to close public air. So we'll move by council on the via, second by council member

997
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:31,360
for all of those. Thank you. All right, council.

998
01:28:36,190 --> 01:28:40,150
Council member Nervias. Just a quick question. I'm glad you've

999
01:28:40,150 --> 01:28:44,090
brought that photo. If somebody was to add a bench there.

1000
01:28:45,550 --> 01:28:48,410
I'm just I don't know. It's to be left because

1001
01:28:49,090 --> 01:28:54,170
at the CalWeb peer to peer we hosted in May at the Marriott.

1002
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:58,030
There were a lot of presentations about this and that's one of the things

1003
01:28:58,030 --> 01:29:01,210
that's been happening around the state is a property owner saying,

1004
01:29:01,210 --> 01:29:09,470
Well, we have a bench here, so therefore, so yes, the law is only so precise, there is a judgment call to be made.

1005
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:17,030
I personally don't think a bench makes a whole big plot of land functional.

1006
01:29:17,790 --> 01:29:27,550
So the simpler definition for non-functional turf to me is if the only time someone's walking on it is they're pushing them lower.

1007
01:29:27,550 --> 01:29:34,230
then that's kind of a way to look at it but yeah I mean picnic grounds are obviously

1008
01:29:34,230 --> 01:29:40,670
functional that I think some places in Thun and Khaled somebody install a bench to try

1009
01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:49,630
to say okay now now we're functional I we'd have to make a judgment it I lean

1010
01:29:49,630 --> 01:29:57,570
know just because it's actually if someone just added one to evade that's a good

1011
01:29:57,570 --> 01:29:59,970
judgment. I just wanted to it's not curious enough.

1012
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:26,140
Unless it's whether, is it a community space? But a property owner can say, would we hold this? Isn't it? Then we, we, we will a gentleman take their feedback. And, um, but that just came up and it was, people had photos of a lonely bench in front of this giant field. And it wasn't looking it. It was just looking at this empty. So there will be some, some vagueness to it and some judgment calls.

1013
01:30:26,140 --> 01:30:28,360
Yeah, great. Thank you.

1014
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:32,320
Y'all's more painter.

1015
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,140
Thank you, Pat, for the information. First of all, as you kind of started this presentation,

1016
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:42,220
you're following what state law is asking us to do. So that's what you're doing.

1017
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:49,040
I think it makes all the sense in the world to amend the ordinance using the reference to the water code,

1018
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:55,000
because and it says in there as amended from time to time. So that all makes sense to make your life easier.

1019
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:07,760
You know, I don't know how big of an impact this is going to have or not have, but I will say I think the update to the cash-for-get-grass program is probably going to have a much larger impact.

1020
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:16,060
I know many of us have used that program and it's something for residential and I'm really happy to see the multifamily increase.

1021
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:21,840
So if one good outcome from this is we can get more folks to utilize that program

1022
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,440
I think that's going to be beneficial you know the enforcement piece of it

1023
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:28,060
I think is going to be difficult

1024
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:33,660
That's that's not our go to again. That's yeah, so but anyways

1025
01:31:33,660 --> 01:31:39,280
It's there. I'm supportive of the of the changes to the ordinances proposed and again

1026
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:45,400
I'm really happy to see the cash-for-grass program augmented and your efforts to get that out to the community

1027
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:49,980
Thanks. I will comment on the cash regress boost. It was done in June.

1028
01:31:51,140 --> 01:31:56,280
I've been a big response. The number of pre-inspections that Josh Dokes has been called to do

1029
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:01,900
had gone automatically, not quite the level of during the drought but close to it.

1030
01:32:02,980 --> 01:32:07,980
The goal there here, though, is to get more that programs dominated by single-family homes,

1031
01:32:08,620 --> 01:32:13,300
not exclusively, but it's way dominated. We want to get more participation from this other

1032
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:19,420
sector that is, it could be affected by this, and our intention is to fund these, this, that

1033
01:32:19,420 --> 01:32:26,060
program for that sector through, through the phase in period through 2029, but we will

1034
01:32:26,060 --> 01:32:33,780
be watching our budget that was boosted to accommodate this. And I will say that we've received

1035
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:40,420
nearly a million dollars of grant funding for that program since 2010. We're in a gap now

1036
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:45,860
we're not granted but there is a prop for at the state level in the Bay Area group might be able

1037
01:32:45,860 --> 01:32:51,600
to get together and get some money for continuing the grant funding but intention is to keep

1038
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,340
this in place during this phase in and then eventually remove it because then that sector

1039
01:32:56,860 --> 01:33:02,700
really just has to meet this law and so you really don't want to have you really shouldn't

1040
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:09,020
have any a non-functional turf left. And I'll just I'll just as a reminder and we all remember the chart

1041
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:14,300
that I think Joy had shared with us when we looked at our water use, even though our population

1042
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:19,020
has increased and our square footage and buildings have increased, our water use has actually

1043
01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:26,160
stayed relatively flat. And I think to me it's largely because of all these efforts to try to decrease

1044
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:33,100
the amount of water we use in, you know, domestic water use on irrigation in general. So I'll

1045
01:33:36,140 --> 01:33:42,040
keep

1046
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,360
I feel like this is going to affect business a lot.

1047
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,660
I'm thinking about the corporate park out there.

1048
01:33:47,180 --> 01:33:50,780
Is that considered non-functional turf out there?

1049
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:58,060
Well, it's non-functional, but it's using recycled water.

1050
01:33:58,440 --> 01:33:58,880
Oh, OK.

1051
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,660
And this is against using drinking water.

1052
01:34:02,420 --> 01:34:05,620
So we, some signage, just like we had them put up during the drought,

1053
01:34:05,820 --> 01:34:09,180
will be nice to explain, maybe they still have them,

1054
01:34:09,340 --> 01:34:10,720
but they were really small.

1055
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,880
I guess it doesn't make signs and they were like this big.

1056
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:16,980
But in the mediums saying that this is irrigated

1057
01:34:16,980 --> 01:34:20,920
with recycled bar, because that is exempt

1058
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:24,020
just as single-family homes are.

1059
01:34:24,940 --> 01:34:26,860
And then just in terms of the impact on businesses,

1060
01:34:27,140 --> 01:34:28,880
I'm sure you've probably already thought about this,

1061
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,180
but maybe doing an educational workshop with the Chambers

1062
01:34:31,180 --> 01:34:33,120
would be helpful, so they know.

1063
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,780
Yeah, I, Jerry was here earlier, and when you use their newsletter,

1064
01:34:36,780 --> 01:34:45,300
But again, it's a small subset of the business community that has any of us.

1065
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:52,320
So we will do those methods, of course, that'll hit a broader group than we need to.

1066
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,160
But we have the targeted ability with the direct letters and the maps.

1067
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,980
And in those letters, we will emphasize this cash-for-grass boost that will be like.

1068
01:35:01,540 --> 01:35:08,020
And then we can do targeted bill messages in the water bills and targeted inserts in the water bills.

1069
01:35:08,220 --> 01:35:13,480
However, water bills often go to, they can go to somebody in Colorado or Florida or something.

1070
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:18,900
But no, we will use those. But we do, fortunately, have the targeted ways to talk to them.

1071
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:24,540
Because it's a finite group. There's not 20,000 accounts for dealing with their hundreds.

1072
01:35:24,940 --> 01:35:25,600
Thank you.

1073
01:35:28,150 --> 01:35:30,070
All right. Thank you for that.

1074
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:35,210
seems like we're all understanding of this law and the implementation and the impact.

1075
01:35:36,170 --> 01:35:41,370
So, I'm looking for emotion or silence.

1076
01:35:43,190 --> 01:35:43,970
Councilman Revise.

1077
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:48,070
I'm making a motion to prove the first reading of item 8A.

1078
01:35:49,210 --> 01:35:50,210
I'm looking for my council member Revise.

1079
01:35:51,470 --> 01:35:54,550
Second by council or vice mayor, Dean Atale Allen-Fever.

1080
01:35:54,930 --> 01:35:55,930
Any opposed?

1081
01:35:56,810 --> 01:35:57,850
Here's Janana Musley.

1082
01:35:58,090 --> 01:35:58,750
Thank you.

1083
01:35:58,750 --> 01:36:01,490
Thank you. Thanks, Pat.

1084
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:13,340
All right. We are now at a break time, but first I will ask any comments by the city manager or council.

1085
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:14,860
Still comments.

1086
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:18,200
Else mayor painter.

1087
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,000
Two quick comments first of all.

1088
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:27,260
Thank you so much for the support for the students who came and spoke to us on HR 46. They have worked hard on that.

1089
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:29,480
And I was really happy to see them come.

1090
01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:31,580
I thought they were spoke so eloquently.

1091
01:36:32,540 --> 01:36:33,680
And that was a great move.

1092
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:34,880
So that's just to thank you.

1093
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,200
The other announcement is this Saturday

1094
01:36:37,780 --> 01:36:41,000
is the annual California Coastal Cleanup Day.

1095
01:36:41,420 --> 01:36:44,980
I will be co-capturing at Copia, which I often do.

1096
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:48,480
And I would encourage you, if you can, to come out

1097
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:49,540
and do a little coastal cleanup.

1098
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,900
There are sites all over the city in multiple places.

1099
01:36:52,900 --> 01:36:58,040
in fact, there's even for the first year Spanish speaking, or at least by

1100
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:03,060
lingo, site down at Kennedy Park, so information is available on the RCD

1101
01:37:03,060 --> 01:37:03,620
website.

1102
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:05,260
9 to 12 this Saturday.

1103
01:37:06,460 --> 01:37:07,160
Thank you.

1104
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:09,740
Vice Mayor, being a valley.

1105
01:37:10,460 --> 01:37:10,980
Thank you.

1106
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,740
As it is Hispanic Heritage Month, I wanted to take this time to recognize

1107
01:37:14,740 --> 01:37:19,420
Alibria Stavale, which is Napa's first Spanish language theater company.

1108
01:37:19,420 --> 01:37:24,720
They were founded about a year ago by two graduates of Napa Valley College and one current student

1109
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:29,860
and they are currently producing their first full-length play at Napa Valley College in the Black Box Theater.

1110
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:35,120
It will happen Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, seven on Friday and Saturday, two PM on Sunday,

1111
01:37:35,260 --> 01:37:38,360
and it's pay what you can because access is very important to them.

1112
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:39,600
Yes.

1113
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:46,160
And the play is Barrios, the Hollywood, which is an original play written in a producer.

1114
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:48,440
Thank you.

1115
01:37:49,820 --> 01:37:55,380
Okay, before closed session, I'm going to ask the city attorney to provide the required

1116
01:37:55,380 --> 01:37:58,120
announcement for what we go into closed session.

1117
01:37:59,140 --> 01:37:59,740
Thank you, Mayor.

1118
01:38:00,740 --> 01:38:02,360
Tonight we have two closed sessions.

1119
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,340
The first is initiation of litigation.

1120
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:07,940
One potential case.

1121
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,720
And the second is the conference with your labor negotiators.

1122
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,220
You'll have your city designated reps.

1123
01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:21,160
Steve Potter, Liz Happkirk, Julie Lucito, MJ Turos, and Donnelly for the Employee Organization

1124
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,280
Amp Administrative Managerial and Professional Employees Unit.

1125
01:38:26,700 --> 01:38:26,940
Thank you.

1126
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,680
And do we have any speaker cards out there?

1127
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,680
I have no request for just to speak on close session items and no one on Zoom.

1128
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:33,400
All right.

1129
01:38:34,420 --> 01:38:35,220
Thank you very much.

1130
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,880
We'll see you at 6.30.

1131
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:39,400
During the close session.

1132
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:49,990
Did you know what the match was?

1133
01:38:59,190 --> 01:38:59,230
Yeah.

1134
01:38:59,290 --> 01:38:59,450
You did.

1135
01:39:08,180 --> 01:39:08,540
You did.

1136
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,480
You did.

1137
01:39:16,770 --> 01:39:17,530
City Clerk.

1138
01:39:17,650 --> 01:39:18,590
Are you ready to start?

1139
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:23,880
Almost mayor.

1140
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:24,680
You just.

1141
01:39:30,820 --> 01:39:31,040
Okay.

1142
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:33,460
All right.

1143
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,300
The technology has ready to go.

1144
01:39:35,380 --> 01:39:36,460
We have a full house tonight.

1145
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:37,020
The wonderful.

1146
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,040
Welcome, everyone.

1147
01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:41,940
To our September 15th meeting.

1148
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:45,140
So, City Clerk, can we have the roll call?

1149
01:39:45,940 --> 01:39:47,260
Council Member is a painter.

1150
01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:48,520
Leros.

1151
01:39:49,340 --> 01:39:49,840
Narvayez.

1152
01:39:50,020 --> 01:39:50,120
Here.

1153
01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:51,380
Vice Mayor Dina Talle.

1154
01:39:52,140 --> 01:39:52,680
Mayor, essentially.

1155
01:39:53,140 --> 01:39:53,280
Here.

1156
01:39:53,480 --> 01:39:55,940
Are there any changes to the agenda or supplemental reports?

1157
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,980
There are no changes to the agenda to the agenda mayor.

1158
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,140
We do have supplemental reports for item 14A. We have the PowerPoint presentation from city staff, as well as 31 written comments that were submitted after the agenda publication.

1159
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:24,340
Thank you very much. And so, as we move into tonight's meeting, I want to just explain a little bit, since we do have a full audience and want to give everybody a chance to speak. How many cards do you say?

1160
01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:30,900
had thirty. Right now in my hands I have twenty nine cards and I know there are still some

1161
01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:35,440
get elected. We're going to limit public comment to two minutes each instead of three

1162
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:39,260
minutes each. So we can get if we want to hear everybody's comments and just to three

1163
01:40:39,260 --> 01:40:43,960
we won't get through there. So when we get to the item on the five way, if you can not be

1164
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:49,300
too repetitive, but let us know your thoughts, your feelings and the issues. But we want

1165
01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:52,980
to get everybody an opportunity to chance them with without many people three minutes when you

1166
01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:59,340
the math. It'll take us a little while. And then we're also going to stop public comment.

1167
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:04,180
This meeting at 9 o'clock. So if we get to 9 o'clock, we'll have to call the public comment

1168
01:41:04,180 --> 01:41:10,340
and then move on to the other business of the council. So right now it's a general public

1169
01:41:10,340 --> 01:41:15,400
comment. So during the public comment portion of the meeting, the public is invited to address

1170
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:19,660
the council on any item within the subject matter jurisdiction of the council. That is not

1171
01:41:19,660 --> 01:41:24,680
on the agenda. So this is items that aren't on tonight's agenda. Please limit your comments.

1172
01:41:24,940 --> 01:41:28,260
Either past actions taken by the council or future actions to be taken by the council.

1173
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,560
However, if the subject of the public comment is not on the agenda,

1174
01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:35,880
state law strictly limits the council's ability to respond at this meeting.

1175
01:41:36,740 --> 01:41:42,940
And also we have another way that factors that on time in the city clerk will explain that now on a zoom participation.

1176
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:47,120
Correct. We are allowing for zoom participation in public comment.

1177
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:53,480
both on public comment this evening and of course the item 14A. We will be calling members

1178
01:41:53,480 --> 01:41:57,240
of the public who wish to speak in those who are attending via Zoom should use the

1179
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:01,520
raise your hand button to indicate that you would like to speak for any member of the public that

1180
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:07,780
has called into the meeting via the teleconference line from your phone. You would push star 9 to raise

1181
01:42:07,780 --> 01:42:12,160
your hand. We will be calling on each speaker and allowing them to turn on their microphone to

1182
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:16,260
comment, when prompted to speak, you may be asked to unmute in that command as

1183
01:42:16,260 --> 01:42:21,840
star six. As Mayor mentioned for item 14A time, we'll be limited to two minutes,

1184
01:42:21,980 --> 01:42:28,520
and we'll be indicated on the timer. And we will be calling members, we'll probably

1185
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:33,640
do a few members of in public first, and then we'll swap over to Zoom. We do have a

1186
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:39,340
round 12 attendees total, but I'm not sure all of them will be speaking. So it's as of

1187
01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:44,140
this moment. Thank you. So do you have any speaker cards for general public comment?

1188
01:42:44,140 --> 01:42:49,240
For general public comment mayor, I do. I have two Dorothy Gleros and Jim Hinton.

1189
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:50,120
Please,

1190
01:42:56,940 --> 01:42:59,000
you need to come up to the microphone.

1191
01:43:07,900 --> 01:43:11,740
Let me be brief so we have time for everybody tonight. I just wanted to say that I attended

1192
01:43:11,740 --> 01:43:17,700
the first session of the Napa City Academy last Wednesday. I was very, very favorably impressed

1193
01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:21,700
by it. Whoever created that brainchild did a really great job and I'm looking forward to

1194
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:25,680
next seven minutes. Thank you. We'll see you there. We'll see you at the next one.

1195
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,620
Dorothy mentioned our net up Academy for learning about city governance and the

1196
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:33,100
departments that we do. So next speaker.

1197
01:43:38,590 --> 01:43:42,390
Good evening, Jim Hinton, 45 Spring Street. Earlier

1198
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:51,810
today, I asked about a code violation I was waiting for. And I still haven't heard a response

1199
01:43:51,810 --> 01:43:57,670
from it and it was 15 minutes before this meeting started and I politely walked up to our city

1200
01:43:57,670 --> 01:44:02,350
attorney to ask her because I was told that they talked about it with Molly at 2 o'clock

1201
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:09,190
and I was just trying to get the results that's all and you bit my head off you were very

1202
01:44:09,190 --> 01:44:14,710
rude you treated me like I was out of line for asking a simple question about something the other

1203
01:44:14,710 --> 01:44:18,410
night you were very nice in the room when we're all there and then right now you were just

1204
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:23,050
extremely mean and rude towards me. I don't understand that. Can we not make a personal?

1205
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:28,350
She made it personal. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry that Mary's putting you through this.

1206
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:33,770
If Mary wouldn't be violent, she already violated the code twice. You enforced against her. This is one more.

1207
01:44:34,610 --> 01:44:38,210
It's not like I'm out of line. The first two were hit out of the park. This is the third one.

1208
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:43,210
And you could just be a little more nice about it. You could say, I'm sorry. I can't discuss it with you.

1209
01:44:43,230 --> 01:44:48,310
I've talked to the staff. They're going to get back you shortly. I apologize. And that would have been great.

1210
01:44:48,410 --> 01:44:51,510
That wouldn't have been rude, that would have been a nice way to do it.

1211
01:44:52,530 --> 01:44:55,130
But this is just getting out of control, Mary.

1212
01:44:55,950 --> 01:44:59,710
Why don't you just not try to put your signs up so aggressively?

1213
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:21,260
I'm sorry that happened right now. I didn't want to start our friendship relationship this way, but it's up to you.

1214
01:45:26,230 --> 01:45:27,190
General public comment.

1215
01:45:28,090 --> 01:45:31,630
Is there a subject matter jurisdiction of the council?

1216
01:45:41,540 --> 01:45:41,760
I'm sorry.

1217
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,740
Hi, my name is I reset our now and I rather talk to the people than you guys.

1218
01:45:46,140 --> 01:45:49,720
And you get real close to the mic and then talk to us.

1219
01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:50,680
Talk to you guys.

1220
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:55,480
The things you allow to happen in Napa, the things you do in Napa is unacceptable.

1221
01:45:56,180 --> 01:45:58,460
Everybody in this town needs to learn about claim forms.

1222
01:45:58,540 --> 01:46:01,240
They're on the city and county website for up to $10,000.

1223
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,760
And you have six months to the day of incident if you don't like something.

1224
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:10,960
especially this roundabout that's going in to make a complaint. You're making a complaint to their insurance company to take a

1225
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:15,740
old man's house and to continue to keep taxing us. This is general public home.

1226
01:46:15,740 --> 01:46:18,860
It doesn't matter. I'm talking. Well, you're in your room to your other

1227
01:46:18,860 --> 01:46:24,560
time. We'll come when we get on to the item. Yeah. I'm just feeling like I'm almost done and it's

1228
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:30,760
rude to interrupt. I have to cheer them here. Did I ask you to fix something and you didn't fix it?

1229
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:31,540
I have to choose.

1230
01:46:31,540 --> 01:46:35,200
How does my dog be fixing everything in New York, but you don't fix the pot holes?

1231
01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:40,590
I want your job.

1232
01:46:51,340 --> 01:46:58,780
You know, and if I can please, if I can please, I ask the whole the applause and the cheering

1233
01:46:58,780 --> 01:46:59,060
moves.

1234
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:03,140
It just makes the meeting run much more smoothly if people are respectful and don't

1235
01:47:03,140 --> 01:47:06,720
cheer and applaud and boo if I can ask flat.

1236
01:47:06,940 --> 01:47:07,700
Thank you.

1237
01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:09,200
So no more general public comment?

1238
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:15,500
I will ask, if anyone, if anyone on Zoom would like to speak under general public comment,

1239
01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:17,140
can you please raise your hand now?

1240
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:21,490
There are no hands on Zoom there.

1241
01:47:27,180 --> 01:47:30,060
Okay, here's where we're getting off to a good start.

1242
01:47:38,530 --> 01:47:40,270
All right, so sorry about that.

1243
01:47:40,850 --> 01:47:47,150
We will now move on to the item we are all here for and want to hear each other about

1244
01:47:47,150 --> 01:47:52,450
It's item 148 on our agenda, the five-way intersection improvement project, which includes

1245
01:47:52,450 --> 01:47:58,590
three actions, CEQA, Memorandum of Agreement, amendment to the CalTrans Cooperative Agreement.

1246
01:47:59,910 --> 01:48:06,390
So, what we will do, we will start with a staff report, and we'll go through the staff report.

1247
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:11,630
And then after the staff report, I will ask council if there's any disclosures they may have for

1248
01:48:11,630 --> 01:48:14,090
information they might have learned outside this public hearing.

1249
01:48:14,590 --> 01:48:22,370
And then members of the public will be provided an opportunity to present testimony during the public comment portion of the public meeting.

1250
01:48:22,910 --> 01:48:28,350
So again, as I said, two minutes and we're going to kick it about nine for public comments so we can move on.

1251
01:48:28,490 --> 01:48:30,650
We can little flexible on that if it goes over.

1252
01:48:31,890 --> 01:48:33,950
So staff is up.

1253
01:48:34,510 --> 01:48:36,090
All right. Well, thank you. Good evening, Council.

1254
01:48:36,630 --> 01:48:38,310
I'm Jessica Low, public work director.

1255
01:48:38,430 --> 01:48:43,010
And I'm joined tonight by Guy Preston, our project manager for the five-way intersection project.

1256
01:48:43,010 --> 01:48:47,790
Also joining us tonight is Special Sequo Council Sarah also which from best best and

1257
01:48:47,790 --> 01:48:52,190
recruiter and Will Burns vice president and principal principal project manager from David

1258
01:48:52,190 --> 01:48:57,750
Jay Powers and Associates who prepared the environmental document will be discussing tonight.

1259
01:48:58,430 --> 01:49:03,210
Representatives from Caltrans are on Zoom as well as their important partners on this project.

1260
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:12,100
Okay so like I said we are here tonight to discuss the environmental review that's been completed

1261
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:16,700
on the five-way intersection improvements project. But before I hand things over to guide to

1262
01:49:16,700 --> 01:49:21,880
discuss that. I want to take some time to discuss the project background and overview options that have

1263
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:27,500
previously been considered. So here's the intersection we're talking about. It's a really

1264
01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:32,380
important hub in the city and it's the convergence of a state highway, state route 121,

1265
01:49:32,380 --> 01:49:38,160
121 known as the Silverado Trail and local streets of East Avenue, third street and Coonsville Road.

1266
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,840
The Silverado Trail is a state highway running through our community, but it needs to function

1267
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:46,900
is more than a highway, and we need to make sure that it serves the people who live, work,

1268
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,260
walk, and bike, and napa.

1269
01:49:51,700 --> 01:49:54,720
So as I mentioned, the Silverado Trail is a state highway that runs

1270
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:59,980
through the city, and it serves both local and regional traffic. Calterans has their response to-

1271
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,740
The bill for the state highway. However, the poor traffic conditions directly affect our community. And so the city has been working closely with

1272
01:50:06,740 --> 01:50:13,920
shelterings on this project to ensure the needs of both the corridor and the people who use it every day are met. The Silverado

1273
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:22,860
trails identified in our general plan as a crucial corridor. Crucial corridors are primary routes for moving traffic through the community. In addition to the Silverado

1274
01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:27,640
3rd Street, Coonsville Road, and East Avenue are key city streets.

1275
01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:33,080
Major roads, including crucial corridors, are intended to carry high volumes of traffic

1276
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:37,800
and help keep through traffic on the main roadways rather than on neighborhood streets that

1277
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,940
are primarily intended for local trips.

1278
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:45,000
When traffic diverse into neighborhoods to avoid congestion, drivers may speed as they try to

1279
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:49,000
make up for time lost by taking a less direct route.

1280
01:50:49,000 --> 01:51:01,940
So the general plan identifies improvements on these corridors to help preserve their capacity and maintain acceptable traffic operations and levels of service over time, which also helps preserve local roads for local trips.

1281
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:14,880
Improvements at this intersection have been identified in the city's general plans since as early as 1989, and the intersection currently operates at a poor level of service indicating that those improvements are needed now.

1282
01:51:16,580 --> 01:51:22,040
So you'll see level of service mentioned when traffic engineers talk about performance of a roadway or an intersection.

1283
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,880
Level of service is a measurement of how the intersection functions,

1284
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,160
graded from an A, best to F, worst.

1285
01:51:29,820 --> 01:51:32,640
It fundamentally describes the quality of the travel experience,

1286
01:51:32,740 --> 01:51:35,980
but it's reflected in a measurable factor like travel time and delay.

1287
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:41,540
The data showed in this slide came from the traffic city that was performed during the environmental review process.

1288
01:51:41,540 --> 01:51:50,800
It shows that the intersection operated at a level of service E or a delay of 56 to 80 seconds per vehicle and that it will continue to deteriorate over time.

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This is an unacceptable level of service per policy that set in the general plan and data for future years represents what will happen if we do nothing at this intersection now.

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Delays of these links indicate that vehicles are waiting through multiple signal cycles to get through the intersection.

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So, along with improving traffic operations, the project also provides an opportunity to address

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several important safety needs at the intersection. The rate of collisions at the intersection

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has been consistently higher than the statewide average for similar facilities. It's really

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unacceptable to have a state highway that splits our community that does not have good safety records.

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The Silverado Trail from South School to the Northern City limit is also on the city's high injury

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network. As you can see in this photo, there are areas where sidewalks are missing or need to be

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related to me ADA requirements and bicycle facilities are not continuous through the intersection.

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With Silverado Middle School and Stonebridge School located along Coon's Hill Road and

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Alter Heights Elementary just off East Avenue. Improving these conditions would create

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a more complete and accessible route for students and families traveling to and from their schools.

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This intersection also lacks adequate storm drain infrastructure and experiences localized

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flooding and drainage issues during rain events. A project here will improve local drainage

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And I think improving journey into something that everyone, especially the adjacent property owners, has agreed will be a positive result of this project.

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So, many of the challenges mentioned so far have existed for decades, like I mentioned, and as early as 1989, the city's general plan identified that the intersection needed improvements to keep up with increased development and trips.

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In 2014, CalTrans initiated a project that was added then to the city's capital improvement program, which allowed for work to begin to study options for intersection improvements.

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Throughout 2014 and 2015,

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the series of community meetings were held

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to receive input from community members.

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Hundreds of community members provided input

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and that input was used to develop over a dozen options.

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Those options were again shared with the community

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and the 13 concepts were then narrowed down to three

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that had majority community support.

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In the meantime,

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CalTrans adjusted the signal timing to address some delay

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and while those adjustments could address issues

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experienced during off-hours, they did not fully address delays, which are prevalent during

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AM and PM peak hours. In 2017, the three remaining options were presented to the Council

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at the time and Council selected one option, a door round about for further analysis. In 2019,

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Caltrans approved and moved forward with the project was granted. But the project was delayed

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her number of years due to the pandemic. In 2023, Caltrans approved a cooperative agreement

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with Caltrans, detailing roles and responsibilities for the environmental review phase of the project,

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allowing the environmental review process to begin.

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So I want to talk about what we heard from the community throughout that early engagement process.

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Early feedback did help develop options and feedback on those options helped further shape the project,

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improving bicycle and pedestrian facilities.

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Improving safety and reducing delays were early identified priorities. In addition, the local community indicated they wanted to maintain all access through the intersection, with many commenting they wanted to open more streets, not to close them.

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Some community members specifically asked for a round about to be considered. Some indicated nothing needed to be done. Many folks indicated they did not want to lose the character of the community. Much of this is consistent with what we've continued to hear throughout the project.

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So, based on the initial feedback and ideas, like I said, 13 different options were developed.

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This is a significant number of options for a project of this size, and demonstrates the level

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of community interest and commitment to listening and finding the best possible solution.

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These options included signal expansion, various roundabout alternatives, roadway access restrictions,

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rerouting roadways, modifying roadways to one way, and tunnels.

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These various options were then shared with the community, and several were removed from further consideration due to what the community considered fatal flaws.

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Fateful flaws included unacceptable operations at the intersection.

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Community impacts associated with loss or restricted access and inability to meet culture and design standards.

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Many community members at this time express support for the development of around about solution at the intersection.

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Public support was also expressed for improving signal timing at the intersection on an interim basis.

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Like I mentioned, that was implemented in September of 2016, but did not address delays during peak hours.

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Signalized intersections will not be able to correct delays at this location to an acceptable level.

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The alternatives dropped at this point, included any and all alternatives, which altered the intersection access for either east Avenue or Cumesl Road.

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Any alternatives, which ignored or minimized pedestrian and bicycle facilities, and all alternatives, which did not meet

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counter-insminimal, minimum level of service threshold.

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All of the signalized intersection improvements, for example, were deemed infeasible during this process due to impacts to the adjacent facilities,

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access restrictions and unacceptable delays.

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The fatal flaw analysis resulted in those 13 options being narrowed down to 3.

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In all three of those options, we're around about.

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These remaining options were option 5F, a dual roundabout with a four-legged roundabout

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to the north, including East Avenue and 3rd Street, three-legged roundabout to the south,

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including Cumesville Road, option 6, a five-legged roundabout, an option 8, a dual roundabout

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with a three-legged roundabout to the north, including East Avenue, and a four-legged roundabout

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to the south, including 3rd Street.

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When these remaining options were presented to the community, property impacts were a big discussion

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topic with many present-ethamating, wanting to reduce the impacts to properties and preserve

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the character of the neighborhood.

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But Esther and Safety was also important and continues to be a concern of the community.

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Some people express they did not like roundabouts, but more common feedback about the three

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alternatives was that people have traveled through roundabouts elsewhere and think they

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function really well.

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Consistent with what was heard early on, some community members, excuse me, wanted to know if the intersection could be left as is.

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The remaining three options being roundabouts has generated some additional discussion.

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Roundabouts may be less familiar to some drivers but they offer several important safety features that are worth considering.

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Roundabouts are designed to slow vehicles down and reduce or altogether eliminate the types of higher speed or right angle and head on collisions that can occur at traditional intersections.

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The design also significantly reduces the number of places where vehicles can conflict with one another.

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A traditional intersection has 32 potential conflict points while around about has just eight.

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Left turns are not made in roundabouts, and without the signal there's no rush to beat the light,

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which can cause some drivers to speed up when entering an intersection.

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Vehicles not only enter around about at lower speeds, they also enter at a shallower angle compared to a traditional intersection,

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and if a collision does occur, the combination of lower speeds and less of your angles generally

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means there is less potential for serious injury. This is meaningful, as vehicle speed is the number

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one indicator in determining the severity and outcome of a collision.

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Improved safety doesn't just

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supply to vehicles, it's true for pedestrians and cyclists as well. Vehicles traveling at slower

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speeds have more time to see a pedestrian and respond, while pedestrians have more time to judge

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whether it's safe to cross. In addition to lower speeds, pedestrians only have to look at one

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lane with traffic coming from a single direction. This is not so in a traditional intersection,

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where traffic is coming from multiple directions, including from side streets. In the five-way

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intersection, the existing crossing with the varies depending on which roadways being crossed from 50 feet.

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A cross-coups will road to over 66 feet across the Silverado Trail at East Avenue. This new design will not only lower the individual crossing length across each direction of traffic, it will also lower the total crossing length. For example, I mentioned the crossing distance across Silverado Trail at East Avenue is currently over 66 feet. With the new design, the crossing distance across the northbound travel lane will be 17 feet and the crossing distance across the southbound travel lane will be approximately 8 feet.

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for a total crossing distance of 35 feet, almost half of what it is right now.

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These shorter crossing distances mean reduced time and conflict with vehicles.

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The crossings are also slightly back from the main flow of traffic.

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This is beneficial for both pedestrians and vehicles and is considered best practice.

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This is visible at the top of the image on the screen.

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When a driver approaches around about, they are looking to their left, searching for a gap in traffic

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to enter the roundabout. If the crosswalk is right at the edge of the circle, a driver might

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look left, see a gap, and go, accidentally striking a pedestrian on their right. A step back

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ensures the driver deals with the pedestrian crossing before they start hunting for that gap

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and traffic. When drivers exit the roundabout, they're accelerating and turning. By placing the

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crosswalk further down the exit lane, the driver has had time to straighten out their vehicle,

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and can focus entirely on looking for pedestrians ahead rather than doing so while

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managing a turn. Having a crosswalk setback from the intersection also provides space for vehicle

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queuing. If an exiting vehicle has to stop for a pedestrian, the distance between the crosswalk

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and the roundabout provides enough space for that vehicle to wait, without its rear ends sticking

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out and blocking the entire roundabout circulating traffic. Drivers waiting to enter the roundabout

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can pull up past the crosswalk to the yield line. This allows them to wait for a gap in traffic

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without blocking the sidewalk or forcing pedestrians to walk into live traffic to get around

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them.

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These pedestrian crossings can also be illuminated like they are at the first street round

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about, providing additional visibility to vehicles.

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And for this particular project, while bicycles can travel through the roundabouts like

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a vehicle, a shared use path will be provided around the intersection for them and pedestrians.

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Okay.

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So, going back into the options, I'll look at the first option. Option 5F is shown here,

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overlaid on the existing intersection. For each of these next few images, north is to the right.

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In this option, option 5F included two roundabouts with a four-legged roundabout to the north,

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serving east Avenue and third street, and a three-legged roundabout to the south, serving Cumesville Road.

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Silverado Trail enters and exits each roundabout.

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This option reduces the delay experience at all intersections for all approaches.

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At the northern roundabout, the delay is reduced to 9.1 seconds in the AMP hour for a

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level of service A and 10.2 seconds in the PMP hour for a level of service B.

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At the southern roundabout, which includes Cumsville Road, the delay is reduced to about

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8 seconds in the AMP hour and 7.4 seconds in the PMP hour for a level of service A in

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both the morning and the afternoon.

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While delays will slightly increase in future years, the levels of service remain acceptable

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at either ARB depending on the roadway approach. Both levels of service indicate free-flowing

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traffic and are acceptable for general plan policy. This option has the fewest number of

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property impacts, but property impacts are not insignificant.

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I will go through the property impacts

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for this option and for the next two, I want to mention that the final property needs will

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We disherment which included extensive public outreach as well as preliminary engineering

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to develop alternatives and prescope the project.

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Once resources for advancing the project were identified, the city filed with known as

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a notice preparation and forming interested parties that the city plan to prepare an

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environmental impact report or EIR for a proposed 5-way intersection improvement project.

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After issuing the notice of preparation, the city, with oversight by CalTrans, performed additional

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scoping, the process included seeking and implementing public input and the development of alternatives.

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We also performed technical analysis needed to prepare a draft EIR.

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The city then issued what is called a notice of availability to announce that a draft EIR

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had been completed and was available for public review.

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After the review period, the city began working on responding to public comment and preparing a final EIR.

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We posted the final EIR on July 7th and issued a notice of availability which brings us here today.

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If certified by the first Fresnel Legion.

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On today's agenda, we will file a notice of determination with the state clearing house within five days of tonight's hearing.

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The scope and content of any IR are guided by the requirement set forth in SQL guidelines, and from input gathered from project partners and the public during the notice preparation and scoping process.

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The EIR includes a full analysis of the proposed project and the no-build alternative.

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It also provides an analysis of alternatives considered and rejected.

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The EIR evaluates the project's potential impacts on the 16 environmental areas shown here.

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Although the EIR identified potentially feasible mitigation measures that would avoid minimize or reduce significant adverse environmental effects.

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The EIR concluded there would potentially be significant environmental impacts into categories in the area of cultural resources the impacts were determined to be significant and unavoidable and in the area of noise and vibration potential impacts were determined to be less than significant with mitigation.

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The EIR determined that the impacts to noise to be less than significant, once constructed

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in an operation, noise would not result in a substantial increase in permanent ambient noise

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levels.

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It was determined that construction noise levels would not exceed the quantitative noise levels

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established by cell tramps, including in the noise category as a vibration.

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The analysis concluded that the proposed project would not result in the generation of excessive

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permanent vibration, however our studies concluded that the project's construction would result in

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vibration levels that could cause damage to existing buildings and last mitigation is implemented.

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By itself, noise was determined to be less than significant since construction equipment is required

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to conform to California's noise specifications.

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We will also be restricting construction

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to acceptable time periods and will locate noise-generating

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equipment as far as practical from sensitive noise

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receptors.

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For vibration, the proposed project was determined

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to be less than significant with mitigation.

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To reach that determination, we must employ certain mitigation,

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such as using quiet equipment technology

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We went available, avoiding vibratory rollers within 25 feet of structures, avoiding dropping

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heavy objects within 25 feet of structures, avoiding holograms, large bull bozers and

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case-on-drilling equipment within 15 feet of structure structures.

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Additionally, we will survey document and monitor buildings within close proximity to

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to potential vibration impacts during construction.

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The project study the impacts on cultural resources and determine that to construct the project

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would need to negotiate and acquire the property at 801 Silverado Trail, shown at the

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top left, to have sufficient public land to construct the northern roundabout.

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801 Silverado Trail is listed on the city's historic resource inventory, thus impacting the

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of the East Napa Historic District by removing one of its contributing properties.

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The Historic District is shown outline and bold on the bottom graphic with contributing properties in red.

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The proposed project would have impacts to 801 Silverado Trail, which are considered significant under-sequa.

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The following mitigation was identified for impacts to the East Napa Historic District,

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and 801 Silverado Trail.

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The East Napa Historic District will be re-evaluated for listing

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on the National Register of Historic Places.

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Recordation of 801 Silverado Trail,

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consistent with the Historic American Building Survey,

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standards will also take place.

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Napa County landmarks will assist

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and salvaging materials from 801 Silverado Trail.

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New way-sounding fines will identify the East Napa Historic District.

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The city of Napa working with Napa County landmarks will develop a professional oral history documenting the neighborhood.

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And finally, the new interpretive displays will tell the story of the East Napa Historic District and Little...

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Currently, there is no signage identifying the district and far too many people don't even know it is a historic district. This mitigation will help document the district and ensure its importance to the history of Napa has preserved to the greatest extent possible.

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We'd like to thank, CalTranscultural Resource staff, the State Historic Preservation Office,

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who consulted with Napa County Landmarks and other parties to help identify the mitigation

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as feasible and beneficial.

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This mitigation is included in the EIR and a Memorandum of Agreement with the State Historic

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Preservation Office, which is the subject of the second resolution for which we are requesting

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action on today.

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I would also like to call out Christine Madrid-French, who is the director of Napalán

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Marks, and put on a very informative webinar on the East Napa Historic District, more commonly

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referred to as little Italy.

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Staff worked hard to identify this mitigation and even consider whether it would be feasible

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to find a new location for the Structure at 801 Silverado Trail.

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But, unfortunately, as Jessica explained, the building

1496
02:11:13,260 --> 02:11:16,360
masonry construction makes it infeasible to move.

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02:11:17,180 --> 02:11:21,440
So, Kalatrans in the city would implement the mitigation identified in the EIR.

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02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:27,220
However, even with this mitigation, the impacts to the district are considered to be significant

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02:11:27,220 --> 02:11:28,360
under sequit.

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02:11:32,570 --> 02:11:38,850
Pursuant to sequitual guidelines, the city must balance the economic, legal, social, technological,

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02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:43,290
or other benefits of the project against its unavoidable environmental risks

1502
02:11:43,290 --> 02:11:45,710
and determining whether to approve the project.

1503
02:11:46,930 --> 02:11:52,510
If the specific benefits of the project outweigh the unavoidable adverse environmental effects,

1504
02:11:53,090 --> 02:11:56,190
those environmental effects may be considered acceptable.

1505
02:11:57,610 --> 02:12:03,410
Having reduced the adverse significant environmental effects of the project to the extent

1506
02:12:03,410 --> 02:12:08,130
feasible by adopting the mitigation measures, having considered the entire administrative

1507
02:12:08,130 --> 02:12:13,270
record of the project, the city has wade the benefits of the project against its unavoidable

1508
02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:18,010
adverse impacts after mitigation in regard to cultural resources.

1509
02:12:19,050 --> 02:12:22,650
While recognizing that the unavoidable adverse impacts are significant

1510
02:12:22,650 --> 02:12:26,230
underseek with thresholds, the city must find that the unavoidable

1511
02:12:26,230 --> 02:12:31,690
adverse impacts that will result from the project are acceptable and outweighed

1512
02:12:31,690 --> 02:12:36,210
by the specific social, economic, and other benefits of the project.

1513
02:12:36,970 --> 02:12:39,990
There are three parts of the statement of overriding considerations,

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02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:44,530
which can be found at the end of attachment B to the first resolution.

1515
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:48,370
First, there are significant unavoidable impacts

1516
02:12:48,940 --> 02:12:52,810
with respect to the findings and in recognition of the facts

1517
02:12:52,810 --> 02:12:55,610
that there are included in the record,

1518
02:12:56,110 --> 02:12:58,270
the city has determined that the project will result

1519
02:12:58,270 --> 02:13:01,930
in a significant unmitigated or unavoidable impact

1520
02:13:01,930 --> 02:13:05,270
associated with the residents at 801 Silverado Trail,

1521
02:13:05,730 --> 02:13:08,790
which is listed on the historic resources inventory

1522
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:12,070
as a contributor to the East Napa Historic District.

1523
02:13:13,330 --> 02:13:15,650
Second, there are overriding considerations.

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02:13:16,530 --> 02:13:18,990
We ask that the City Council specifically adopt

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02:13:18,990 --> 02:13:21,230
and make the statement of overriding considerations

1526
02:13:21,230 --> 02:13:24,790
that this project has eliminated or substantially lessened

1527
02:13:25,330 --> 02:13:28,150
all significant effects of the environment

1528
02:13:28,150 --> 02:13:32,150
where feasible and finds that the remaining significant,

1529
02:13:32,410 --> 02:13:34,990
unavoidable impacts of the project are acceptable,

1530
02:13:34,990 --> 02:13:41,470
in light of the economic, legal, environmental, social, technological, or other considerations

1531
02:13:41,470 --> 02:13:47,030
because the benefits of the project are way significant adverse environmental impact of

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02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:52,930
the project. We also asked that the city council find that each of the overriding considerations

1533
02:13:52,930 --> 02:14:04,970
constitutes a separate and independent basis for finding that the benefits of the project are way

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02:14:04,970 --> 02:14:07,810
consideration, wanting approval of the project.

1535
02:14:08,810 --> 02:14:14,030
These matters are supported by evidence in the record that includes, but is not limited

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02:14:14,850 --> 02:14:21,530
to the City of Napa 2040 General Plan, the City of Napa Bicycle Plan, and the City of

1537
02:14:21,530 --> 02:14:22,870
Napa Pedestrian Plan.

1538
02:14:25,900 --> 02:14:27,760
Finally, the benefits of the project.

1539
02:14:28,620 --> 02:14:33,660
We recommend that the City Council consider the public record of proceedings on the proposed

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02:14:33,660 --> 02:14:39,280
project and other written materials presented to the city as well as oral and written testimony

1541
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:45,380
at all public hearings related to the project and does hereby determine that implementation

1542
02:14:45,380 --> 02:14:51,300
of the project a specifically provided in the project documents would result in the following

1543
02:14:51,300 --> 02:14:58,120
substantial public benefits. First, intersection operation improvements, consistent with the

1544
02:14:58,120 --> 02:14:59,960
and policies have been next.

1545
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,180
City of Nath, the 2040 General Plan, the project would address existing operational deficiencies that are anticipated to increase with continued growth in the area.

1546
02:15:10,020 --> 02:15:14,740
The project would result and reduce driver delay and congestion at the project intersection.

1547
02:15:16,140 --> 02:15:26,860
And secondly, safety and accessibility improvements. The project would address the substandard pedestrian facilities and lack of bicycle facilities at the existing intersection.

1548
02:15:26,860 --> 02:15:32,880
The project would improve bicycle and pedestrian facilities at the intersection and meet the American

1549
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:40,260
with Disabilities Act requirements to improve safety and accessibility for all modes of travel.

1550
02:15:46,500 --> 02:15:48,700
So what are the socio-economic impacts

1551
02:15:50,750 --> 02:15:54,670
of the alternatives? Each of the alternatives considered

1552
02:15:54,670 --> 02:16:00,010
but rejected would result in several full acquisitions that would not occur with the proposed project.

1553
02:16:00,010 --> 02:16:12,870
As Jessica explained, Napa Granite and Marble works, has been part of our community for over a decade and would need to be acquired if we were to build either the single roundabout or the double roundabout alternative.

1554
02:16:13,390 --> 02:16:14,110
Would surge lead?

1555
02:16:14,110 --> 02:16:16,010
Third Street directed to the double roundabout.

1556
02:16:19,230 --> 02:16:22,070
1010 East Avenue consists of two homes.

1557
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:27,660
Boy, that sure helps things.

1558
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:34,940
So we know it was more than a decade, we understand that it's misspoke and this is not helping.

1559
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:36,720
Is that why we're here?

1560
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:42,720
Please by apologies for misspeaking for more than a century.

1561
02:16:46,900 --> 02:16:48,100
Please continue.

1562
02:16:50,470 --> 02:16:58,210
Tent any east avenue consists of two homes behind NAPA granted marble works, where there is a multi-generational family that owns and operates the business.

1563
02:16:58,210 --> 02:17:02,330
and that would also need to be acquired for the single roundabout alternative.

1564
02:17:03,330 --> 02:17:06,470
There would also be impacts with the double roundabout alternative

1565
02:17:06,470 --> 02:17:09,550
which starts free directed to the sun around about.

1566
02:17:09,950 --> 02:17:13,590
There are four businesses on third street parcel, including also our plumbing,

1567
02:17:14,350 --> 02:17:17,510
Pearson appliance, East Side Studio, and Rola.

1568
02:17:18,630 --> 02:17:22,410
The third street property would likely require a full acquisition of third street

1569
02:17:22,410 --> 02:17:24,330
was routed to the sun around about.

1570
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:27,110
And that alternative third street would go right through,

1571
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:31,130
all start plumbing, severing the building that contains all four businesses.

1572
02:17:32,990 --> 02:17:37,410
On Silverado Trail, both Napotire and Wheel, and Palash Motors would require complete

1573
02:17:37,410 --> 02:17:40,730
acquisitions for either of the other two alternatives.

1574
02:17:42,350 --> 02:17:46,870
So as you can see, there would be significant socioeconomic impacts associated with either

1575
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:52,190
of the other two alternatives, which is why they were considered but rejected.

1576
02:17:52,190 --> 02:17:56,890
With that I will hand the mic back over to Jessica to finish our presentation.

1577
02:18:02,380 --> 02:18:06,860
So with Council approval of the recommended actions tonight, which I would be remiss if

1578
02:18:06,860 --> 02:18:11,240
I didn't recognize is a different Council than the 2017 Council that considered many

1579
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:12,080
of these options.

1580
02:18:12,700 --> 02:18:17,160
The next step would be to file the notice of determination with the state clearing house and

1581
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:19,940
advance the final design to 65% complete.

1582
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:23,640
Right of way work could then begin, which is a multi-step process.

1583
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:31,080
This would start with a cooperative agreement with Caltrans to detail each agency's responsibilities for the right-of-way process.

1584
02:18:31,880 --> 02:18:36,820
Crippardinees would be fully mapped, and appraisals completed for the necessary acquisitions.

1585
02:18:37,380 --> 02:18:41,920
Once appraisals are complete, offers can be made and negotiations would take place.

1586
02:18:42,220 --> 02:18:44,800
Relocation assistance will be provided where applicable.

1587
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:50,740
We would also be working with various utility owners to come to agreement about utility relocations,

1588
02:18:50,740 --> 02:18:54,380
and the cultural resource mitigation that guide detailed would begin.

1589
02:18:55,380 --> 02:18:56,660
Throughout the right-of-way process,

1590
02:18:56,820 --> 02:19:00,320
we would continue to apply for construction funding and finalize the design.

1591
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:05,880
With funding and final design, the project would be advertised for contractors to complete the work.

1592
02:19:06,580 --> 02:19:08,580
All of this ends with construction of the project,

1593
02:19:08,820 --> 02:19:13,240
and at this point, if all of these steps that I mentioned occur without any substantial delays,

1594
02:19:13,880 --> 02:19:16,400
construction could begin as early as 2029.

1595
02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:21,610
So there are three recommended actions tonight.

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02:19:23,470 --> 02:19:25,650
I'm not going to read all of those words.

1597
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:29,830
But they are to certify the EIR, making findings,

1598
02:19:30,110 --> 02:19:31,750
approving the proposed project,

1599
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:34,490
adopting a statement of overwriting considerations,

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02:19:35,170 --> 02:19:38,230
and adopting a mitigation monitoring and reporting program.

1601
02:19:38,910 --> 02:19:42,830
Your action would also authorize a approval of the memorandum of agreement

1602
02:19:42,830 --> 02:19:46,130
with the State Historic Preservation Office, or Shippo,

1603
02:19:46,130 --> 02:19:53,890
That details the cultural resource mitigation that minimizes the impacts due to the removal of the structure at 801 Silverado.

1604
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:59,970
And then finally, and somewhat separate from the EIR action, you are being asked to authorize in a minute.

1605
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,820
Amendment to a cooperative agreement with Caltrans. So this is the end of our presentation and we're here for any questions that you may have.

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02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:14,880
Thank you, Jessica. I think we're going to move right into the closures.

1607
02:20:18,180 --> 02:20:26,340
I have no disclosures. Beyond obtaining all the letters that we all have, an information that was provided prior to the hearing.

1608
02:20:28,780 --> 02:20:33,980
The same other than letters from the public, no disclosures.

1609
02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:37,340
Yes, similarly, since I've been working with this since 2017,

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02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,560
talked to a lot of, a lot of, a lot of,

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02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:41,620
a lot of residents have talked to property owners,

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02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:45,640
but just no, no other information on working with any of the consultants

1613
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:46,500
or anybody else.

1614
02:20:46,580 --> 02:20:48,160
So no, no true disclosures.

1615
02:20:49,860 --> 02:20:50,500
No disclosures.

1616
02:20:51,880 --> 02:20:55,060
I did attend the public meetings at Alter Heights Elementary School.

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02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:57,360
Thank you.

1618
02:20:57,360 --> 02:21:04,900
So now I'm going to open the public testimony for this public hearing so we'll get a lot

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02:21:04,900 --> 02:21:10,880
of help from the clerk so like earlier if we can limit disruptions and we get through

1620
02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:16,080
and we hear your comments and we move expediently I think we'll all benefit for that so I

1621
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,420
think the clerk is going to do like five at a time.

1622
02:21:19,020 --> 02:21:19,060
Correct.

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02:21:19,100 --> 02:21:27,340
I will call five names at a time if you are participating via Zoom we will be moving back

1624
02:21:27,340 --> 02:21:31,620
between folks who are in the audience and also calling on those who are attending via Zoom.

1625
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:35,920
So if you are attending via Zoom and you do wish to provide public comment on this item,

1626
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:40,740
if you could raise your hands now and keep those up until we call you that would be helpful

1627
02:21:40,740 --> 02:21:44,040
in determining how many members of the public would like to speak.

1628
02:21:44,420 --> 02:21:51,060
I do have 42 cards in front of me and so far only one hand on Zoom may are just to give you an update.

1629
02:21:51,060 --> 02:21:55,260
but I'll begin with the first five names, Diane Silver,

1630
02:21:55,980 --> 02:22:00,880
Lori Donovan Lado, Courtney Priest, Vivian Brandy,

1631
02:22:01,140 --> 02:22:02,260
and Christine French.

1632
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:04,400
And no particular order, just come up.

1633
02:22:04,420 --> 02:22:07,100
If you heard your name, you can be prepared to speak

1634
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:08,380
in two minutes.

1635
02:22:08,780 --> 02:22:10,940
And please be sure, you can move the microphone

1636
02:22:10,940 --> 02:22:13,140
to speak clearly so everyone can hear.

1637
02:22:13,220 --> 02:22:14,100
Thank you.

1638
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:19,000
To members of the City Council, my name is Diane Silver.

1639
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:27,100
I am a NAPA resident for 55 years and a local physician in private practice for 47 years.

1640
02:22:27,740 --> 02:22:32,860
I am strongly opposed to the proposed roundabout in Alta-Hice.

1641
02:22:33,640 --> 02:22:38,440
I have lived in the Alta-Hice neighborhood for 50 years.

1642
02:22:39,020 --> 02:22:43,000
Nearly every day and sometimes many times in the day,

1643
02:22:44,420 --> 02:22:47,540
I cost that intersection you are proposing to change.

1644
02:22:47,540 --> 02:22:55,660
I am always grateful for the traffic lights and the safety I feel at that intersection.

1645
02:22:57,000 --> 02:23:03,360
The time to traffic lights also provides safety to the many pedestrians and students

1646
02:23:03,360 --> 02:23:04,580
that cross there.

1647
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:12,320
I have never seen an accident or heard screeching breaks or seen any near misses.

1648
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:20,920
I have seen many students and pedestrians cross safely with the welcome traffic lights.

1649
02:23:21,620 --> 02:23:26,980
I am happy to see the well maintained White House on the corner, occasionally with Christmas decorations,

1650
02:23:27,880 --> 02:23:34,820
and across the street, the tombstone makers who made tombstones for my dear family, my loved ones over the years.

1651
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:40,260
I oppose your displacing those businesses where a project that does not help our community.

1652
02:23:40,940 --> 02:23:48,960
On the other hand, I avoid the first street round about, nearly every time,

1653
02:23:55,420 --> 02:24:01,720
nearly every time I do go there, and I went there today, there seems to be a near miss accident.

1654
02:24:02,900 --> 02:24:09,860
Even as a long time driver, I am usually confused as to which lane I should be in, whether

1655
02:24:09,860 --> 02:24:13,900
I have to stop, yield, or if I have the right away.

1656
02:24:14,740 --> 02:24:20,840
On the other hand, at the Alta Heights corner, every driver knows exactly what he needs to do.

1657
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:22,060
Thank you.

1658
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:32,980
Dean, my name is Courtney Priest, and I'm a Napa resident.

1659
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:37,560
I recently submitted a detailed op-ed in the register about the five-way projects, but

1660
02:24:37,560 --> 02:24:40,600
Tonight, I want to put one question directly to the council.

1661
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:43,780
Before the city takes Charlie Rossi's lifelong home,

1662
02:24:44,060 --> 02:24:47,080
has it demonstrated that doing so is absolutely necessary.

1663
02:24:47,580 --> 02:24:50,300
I don't question that five-way has serious safety

1664
02:24:50,300 --> 02:24:51,620
and operational concerns.

1665
02:24:51,900 --> 02:24:55,320
My question is whether solving them requires taking this home.

1666
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:58,020
Five-way isn't just an intersection problem.

1667
02:24:58,340 --> 02:24:59,820
It's the product of transportation.

1668
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,500
And economic choices, Napa has made over decades. We've built an economy that depends enormously

1669
02:25:06,500 --> 02:25:12,900
on bringing people into this valley. We market Napa nationally and internationally. Millions

1670
02:25:12,900 --> 02:25:19,660
visit tourism supports roughly 16,000 jobs. And I'm not arguing against tourism. It is fundamental

1671
02:25:19,660 --> 02:25:25,100
to our economy. I'm asking whether our transportation planning has kept pace with the economy

1672
02:25:25,100 --> 02:25:26,340
that we've built.

1673
02:25:26,660 --> 02:25:31,940
Napa has a publicly authorized tourism improvement district specifically designed to promote tourism

1674
02:25:31,940 --> 02:25:34,120
and increase hotel stays.

1675
02:25:34,480 --> 02:25:39,380
With new hotels continuing to pop up across Napa, we're creating capacity for even more

1676
02:25:39,380 --> 02:25:39,860
visitors.

1677
02:25:40,500 --> 02:25:45,160
If we continue encouraging a visitor-based economy, how are we planning for the transportation

1678
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:46,440
demand that it creates?

1679
02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:51,240
And if housing costs mean many of the people who work here must commute into the valley,

1680
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:53,220
How are we planning for that demand?

1681
02:25:53,620 --> 02:25:55,560
Because right now the answer is cars.

1682
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:58,280
Visitors come in, workers come in,

1683
02:25:58,300 --> 02:26:02,480
and we build a transportation system that expects them to come in cars.

1684
02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:04,880
The Vine provides an important service,

1685
02:26:05,060 --> 02:26:07,240
but we've never built regional public transportation

1686
02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:10,220
at a scale comparable to the tourism economy

1687
02:26:10,220 --> 02:26:11,800
and workforce travel demand.

1688
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:13,780
We spent decades creating.

1689
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:16,400
So why want to evaluate in five ways

1690
02:26:16,400 --> 02:26:19,160
we begin with projected automobile demand

1691
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:22,080
As though that demand simply happened to us, it didn't.

1692
02:26:22,300 --> 02:26:28,000
It is the consequence of decades of decisions about tourism, housing, growth, and transportation.

1693
02:26:28,620 --> 02:26:31,860
And I'm not asking you to build a railroad instead of fixing five way.

1694
02:26:32,140 --> 02:26:35,380
I'm not claiming transit would necessarily save Charlie's house.

1695
02:26:35,420 --> 02:26:37,820
I'm asking whether anyone modeled it.

1696
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:42,320
Did the city cow transit or NVTA model materially improved regional transit?

1697
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:48,840
Recaculate automobile demand through five way end determine whether reduced demand could allow a smaller project footprint.

1698
02:26:51,040 --> 02:27:16,800
I'm going to finish my thought here. If you did, please show us. Before government exercise is one of its most extraordinary powers, the power to take Charlie Rossi's home, the burden should be on government to prove necessity, and that means examining not just the design it's selected, but the assumptions that led to the design. We cannot encourage the demand on one hand and treat its consequences as inevitable on the other.

1699
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:21,640
Thank you. Because one more sentence I will finish, because if that is how we plan for

1700
02:27:21,640 --> 02:27:27,480
Napa's future, we should all be asking who's home or business will be in the way next.

1701
02:27:27,820 --> 02:27:29,100
Thank you.

1702
02:27:38,750 --> 02:27:44,030
Okay. Good evening. I'm Christine Madrid-French Executive Director of Napa County Landmarks.

1703
02:27:44,490 --> 02:27:49,510
We've been actively engaged with CalTrans on the Silverado 5way Project since 2025,

1704
02:27:50,030 --> 02:27:53,270
and we are a consulting party on the memorandum of agreement.

1705
02:27:53,270 --> 02:27:58,430
Throughout that process, our focus has been on recognizing and reducing impacts to the

1706
02:27:58,430 --> 02:28:02,750
East Napa historic district and preserving the history and character of Little Italy.

1707
02:28:03,190 --> 02:28:08,470
I'd like to thank Ray Guadani and the community for sharing the history of the neighborhood with me.

1708
02:28:08,830 --> 02:28:15,250
And I wanted to note that more than 200 people have watched our informational webinar that we've posted to YouTube.

1709
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:21,330
This is one of Napa's oldest neighborhoods of place where generations of families built homes and businesses

1710
02:28:21,330 --> 02:28:24,510
that helps shape the city we know today.

1711
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:28,250
We also recognize that there is enormous economic potential

1712
02:28:28,250 --> 02:28:30,950
in a preserved and restored neighborhood.

1713
02:28:32,010 --> 02:28:35,630
As noted, the MOA provides important opportunities for documentation,

1714
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:39,270
interpretations, signage, and other mitigation measures

1715
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:42,750
that recognize the history and stewardship of the community.

1716
02:28:43,230 --> 02:28:46,750
We look forward to ensuring that these measures are meaningful

1717
02:28:46,750 --> 02:28:49,650
to the community and to continue identifying

1718
02:28:49,650 --> 02:28:53,850
and protecting the invaluable historic resources of Little Italy.

1719
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:55,470
Thank you.

1720
02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:56,310
Thank you.

1721
02:29:01,500 --> 02:29:01,880
Good evening.

1722
02:29:02,620 --> 02:29:06,860
My name is Vivian Brandy and I live on East Avenue.

1723
02:29:07,620 --> 02:29:12,420
I've been living there for 15 years and used a five-way intersection daily.

1724
02:29:13,160 --> 02:29:15,540
I agree with the first commenter.

1725
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:17,520
I've never seen any problems there.

1726
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:19,220
I've never seen any accidents there.

1727
02:29:19,220 --> 02:29:22,460
I've never seen any injuries or problems there.

1728
02:29:22,460 --> 02:29:22,900
Um,

1729
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:30,720
the stop lights, uh, the centers and the stop lights were adjusted by

1730
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:34,920
Caltrans or whoever did that, which was, it's some, somewhat needed.

1731
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:38,900
Um, but I think some, I don't see any problems with the intersection.

1732
02:29:39,440 --> 02:29:45,160
The issue is, um, a lot of drivers just don't have the patience to wait their turn

1733
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:46,100
at the stop light.

1734
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:53,040
I'd like to see the intersection, um, maintain its original character in the historical

1735
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:59,980
district and I'd like to see you leave the intersection alone and leave.

1736
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,620
Mr. Rossi, hello. Thank you.

1737
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:18,720
Hi, my name is Laurie Donovan-Ladal and I lived in Nepal my life and noted all the changes

1738
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:27,080
and I've been up here before on some of these other controversial subjects that we have. And I brought

1739
02:30:27,080 --> 02:30:30,380
a some petitions for one of you to

1740
02:30:34,220 --> 02:30:39,720
the most many of you probably are here tonight and so I

1741
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:47,340
appreciate the opportunity to say something and I've listened to all this yak yak about all

1742
02:30:47,340 --> 02:30:53,860
of the studies that you've done and so on and so forth and I appreciate the thoughts that you've

1743
02:30:53,860 --> 02:31:01,300
on it. But the environmental impact doesn't really match in my mind. I just thought of this

1744
02:31:01,300 --> 02:31:07,900
tonight. The emotional impact that this obviously is having on this town. And I feel

1745
02:31:07,900 --> 02:31:18,880
sorry for you folks up here because we really want a city council that respects our communities

1746
02:31:18,880 --> 02:31:24,040
emotional impact about how we want to keep Napa Napa.

1747
02:31:28,910 --> 02:31:31,130
I've also, I've also taken the

1748
02:31:31,130 --> 02:31:37,870
time to go out there and study that intersection myself. There's a great number of

1749
02:31:37,870 --> 02:31:43,570
huge trucks rolling through there every day all the time. I don't know if any

1750
02:31:43,570 --> 02:31:52,830
of you folks have been out there too. Look at that, but that's happening. Also, I

1751
02:31:52,830 --> 02:31:59,590
to be affected by it, I counted the employees that may or may not have a job and it's well

1752
02:31:59,590 --> 02:32:07,910
over 50. So if this goes through the way, I think it's going to go through a lot of people

1753
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:14,850
and not only going to lose their land, but their employees are not going to serve their employees.

1754
02:32:15,050 --> 02:32:18,770
Thank you. I have to hold you at the time when it.

1755
02:32:19,670 --> 02:32:22,490
next because we have a type we have to hold you thank

1756
02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:29,940
you. Next five speakers,

1757
02:32:30,500 --> 02:32:37,780
Carol Finch, Theresa McKee, Steve Simich, Mike Matthews, Michelle Mc.

1758
02:32:40,170 --> 02:32:40,310
No

1759
02:32:40,310 --> 02:32:42,150
particular order. Come on up.

1760
02:32:52,220 --> 02:32:54,720
My name is Carol Finch. I've lived here my

1761
02:32:54,720 --> 02:33:01,780
entire life. I have known Charlie Rossi for 65 years. And yes, in fact, would you

1762
02:33:01,780 --> 02:33:07,540
people quit putting online that he doesn't live there. I just visited him on Sunday for

1763
02:33:07,540 --> 02:33:15,100
his birthday. He's 84. He has lived there his entire life. Your comments are causing

1764
02:33:15,100 --> 02:33:23,860
more grief than help to him. He has lived there. His father bought that piece or his grandpa

1765
02:33:23,860 --> 02:33:30,100
bought that piece of property. His father built that house. So it's way more than 100 years

1766
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:41,480
go because he's 83. So another fact I want to say quickly is has anybody here driven

1767
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:49,880
on Silverado Trail from Monticello Road to Souscle. I live on out on Monticello Road.

1768
02:33:51,140 --> 02:33:55,620
If you start there at 4 o'clock in the afternoon unless you folks are going to put round

1769
02:33:55,620 --> 02:34:03,300
about it at every darn stoplight, you're going to have traffic back up, and it's going to

1770
02:34:03,300 --> 02:34:04,660
be backed up at SOSCO.

1771
02:34:07,540 --> 02:34:11,300
Around about, you're going to stop it, Lincoln, you're going to stop

1772
02:34:11,300 --> 02:34:15,060
it, Hague, and you're going to stop it first, and then you're going to get to the Charlie

1773
02:34:18,130 --> 02:34:22,870
Roundabout, but they're going to be backed up at SOSCO. So I don't know if anybody's bothered

1774
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:30,090
to bring this up, but I don't drive there any more because of it.

1775
02:34:34,990 --> 02:34:35,470
Tom's a waste.

1776
02:34:44,060 --> 02:34:45,780
I've got council members.

1777
02:34:49,740 --> 02:34:51,880
My name's Theresa McKee.

1778
02:34:52,220 --> 02:34:54,640
I've lived on Coobsville Road for 40 plus years.

1779
02:34:55,220 --> 02:34:59,560
I travel across this intersection, occasional to multiple times a day.

1780
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:06,480
There are just a few issues I like you to consider. I did read the studies. I may not be as well informed

1781
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:12,640
about this, but I do know that this is a huge project at an exorbitant cost. Nearly due

1782
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:19,240
to wait times at the traffic light and not so much for safety concerns. I too have been in those

1783
02:35:19,240 --> 02:35:26,840
long traffic lines at the beginning and end of the school day. They are temporary. A bottle rock traffic

1784
02:35:26,840 --> 02:35:33,190
temporary. We support that. The fairest temporary. We residents that live out there know this.

1785
02:35:34,340 --> 02:35:39,350
Regarding the traffic safety issue, we're checking only kind of speak about anecdotally because

1786
02:35:40,340 --> 02:35:45,860
I don't have accidents to statistics like you might, but I can tell you that in my 40 plus

1787
02:35:45,860 --> 02:35:54,480
years of living on Coobsville, I have never not once seen an accident. It's well taken care of

1788
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:57,160
It's safe for the kids to cross because of the lights.

1789
02:35:58,740 --> 02:36:02,920
And which brings me to the concerns about pedestrian safety issues.

1790
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:06,340
There are many more Silverado, middle school students who

1791
02:36:06,340 --> 02:36:09,400
walk and bike to school, and we choir crossing either

1792
02:36:09,400 --> 02:36:11,980
Silverado Trail or Coobsville or both.

1793
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:15,580
I've experienced the pedestrians at the first street

1794
02:36:15,580 --> 02:36:18,900
that cluster of roundabouts, the first street by Brown's Valley.

1795
02:36:19,580 --> 02:36:24,180
And I noticed that it does stop and backup during pedestrian

1796
02:36:24,180 --> 02:36:31,580
and crossings. And to add to that also, it's not always easy to see the pedestrians.

1797
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:36,720
I don't know if it's the artwork or what, but that's a problem. That's a problem for me.

1798
02:36:36,820 --> 02:36:44,680
Seriously, if I'm certain angles, you don't always see other pedestrians. But there are so

1799
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:49,600
few at that section, but there are a lot at the five-way intersection and their children.

1800
02:36:49,980 --> 02:36:50,640
Thank you, Theresa.

1801
02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:51,380
Thanks.

1802
02:36:58,850 --> 02:37:08,090
Hello, I'm Michelle McMaster and I've spoke at meetings in the past regarding the integrity of our community and keeping its historic value.

1803
02:37:08,890 --> 02:37:14,950
My grandchildren are fifth generation napkins. I've lived two blocks from this intersection for 37 years now.

1804
02:37:15,470 --> 02:37:18,790
And I'm sorry. I don't have prepared notes. I didn't think I could be here tonight.

1805
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:24,950
But to keep my thoughts clear, I would like to state that in that time that I've lived

1806
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:28,950
two blocks from this intersection, I only know of one accident.

1807
02:37:29,970 --> 02:37:34,610
And I see the kids mine included that cross those intersections when they were going

1808
02:37:34,610 --> 02:37:37,470
to school, travel safely in that area.

1809
02:37:38,290 --> 02:37:41,430
I think that Napa has sold its sold to tourism.

1810
02:37:41,930 --> 02:37:43,450
And I think that we should make,

1811
02:37:46,430 --> 02:37:50,530
I think we should take every precaution to preserve any history

1812
02:37:50,530 --> 02:37:56,150
that we have left, Joe Rossi's home being one of those, putting a sign in his home spot

1813
02:37:56,150 --> 02:38:02,830
or anywhere else in our area is not the same. We need to keep the actual history in place.

1814
02:38:03,950 --> 02:38:09,350
What I did not hear and have not read is if this project does go through and I pray that

1815
02:38:09,350 --> 02:38:15,970
it does not, what is the impact during the construction? I want to know the timeline that

1816
02:38:15,970 --> 02:38:16,690
It's going to attack.

1817
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:21,330
What is the rerouting of those two major schools and the other businesses in that area?

1818
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:27,270
As a homeowner in that area, I travel that intersection sometimes up to three times a day.

1819
02:38:27,870 --> 02:38:32,010
And if that's going to impact my quality of life and the others that live in the area

1820
02:38:32,010 --> 02:38:36,970
or pass through that, this needs to be addressed right along with the rest of the slides

1821
02:38:36,970 --> 02:38:37,970
or presented tonight.

1822
02:38:38,290 --> 02:38:39,310
And those were not.

1823
02:38:39,490 --> 02:38:41,090
And I question why that is.

1824
02:38:41,550 --> 02:38:43,810
So thank you for allowing me to have this moment.

1825
02:38:43,810 --> 02:38:46,590
And again, I hope it does not go through.

1826
02:38:46,730 --> 02:38:47,190
Thank you.

1827
02:38:56,530 --> 02:38:56,930
Good evening.

1828
02:38:57,310 --> 02:38:59,670
My name is Mike Matthews and I'm a Napa resident.

1829
02:39:00,470 --> 02:39:05,290
I submitted a written comment yesterday regarding the five way intersection project

1830
02:39:05,290 --> 02:39:10,490
but wanted to come here tonight because I feel strongly this decision does there is more consideration

1831
02:39:10,490 --> 02:39:12,370
before the city moves forward.

1832
02:39:13,290 --> 02:39:18,330
I understand this intersection needs improvement and I'm not here to argue that nothing should ever be done.

1833
02:39:18,330 --> 02:39:26,010
What I'm asking you to consider is whether this particular solution 5F is really the right solution for NAPA.

1834
02:39:26,470 --> 02:39:32,750
This alternative requires the city to acquire an ultimately demolish a home at 801 Silverado Trail.

1835
02:39:33,350 --> 02:39:36,230
This is not an abandoned building or an empty parcel.

1836
02:39:36,690 --> 02:39:41,510
It's a long time home of an 84-year-old NAPA resident who has lived their entire life.

1837
02:39:42,190 --> 02:39:43,230
I think that should matter.

1838
02:39:43,230 --> 02:39:52,890
The city's own environmental review identifies the loss of this historic property as significant and unavoidable impact.

1839
02:39:53,630 --> 02:39:57,850
It also evaluated alternatives that would avoid demolishing this home.

1840
02:39:58,590 --> 02:39:59,970
So before we make a decision...

1841
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,980
Can not be undone? I think we should absolutely be certain that we've exhausted every reasonable alternative. We've lived with this intersection for a long time. There is time to get this right. Once this man's home is gone, we can't reconsider, we can't put it back, we can't give him back the home and neighborhood, we spent his life. Transportation improvements are important, safety is important, but how we treat the people who already live in our community is important.

1842
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:30,400
to.

1843
02:40:35,220 --> 02:40:41,380
I'm asking you tonight not to approve alternative 5F and not to move this project forward

1844
02:40:41,380 --> 02:40:46,660
in its current form. Please take another look at the alternatives and determine whether we can

1845
02:40:46,660 --> 02:40:53,600
improve this intersection without requiring this loss of this life long home. We can improve our

1846
02:40:53,600 --> 02:41:00,360
city without losing sight of the people who make Napa a community. Thank you. Thank you.

1847
02:41:08,840 --> 02:41:16,880
Steve Simmons, Napa California, and Native Napa, and Native Napa in 68 years.

1848
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:21,880
I grew up at 1010 East Avenue, and I've lived my life there.

1849
02:41:22,300 --> 02:41:26,860
I've spent my entire life at the business 50 years, 50 years I've been working there.

1850
02:41:28,460 --> 02:41:34,700
The main thing I'm concerned about is if you approve the CIR, I want to make sure that

1851
02:41:34,700 --> 02:41:42,320
The city of Napa and the state of California adequately compensate the people that they're taking property

1852
02:41:42,320 --> 02:41:49,060
from. And that is a big concern for me. Especially our business. We need access for our customers.

1853
02:41:49,860 --> 02:41:55,360
We need access for our deliveries. And I want to make sure that all our neighboring businesses,

1854
02:41:55,360 --> 02:42:04,860
posh motors, nap attire, and piercens, all have that same consideration when you do the project.

1855
02:42:05,540 --> 02:42:06,800
So thank you very much.

1856
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:07,780
Thanks, Steve.

1857
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:19,620
Next five names, Vanessa Schmidt, Bailey Schmidt, Brandy Schmidt, Vanessa Struven, and Anita

1858
02:42:19,620 --> 02:42:20,320
Hoss.

1859
02:42:22,480 --> 02:42:25,060
And thank you, past speakers for keeping it in time.

1860
02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:26,740
We're trying to get everybody a chance.

1861
02:42:36,140 --> 02:42:37,640
Hi, my name is Anita Hoss.

1862
02:42:37,640 --> 02:42:45,920
I've lived on off-a-coupsville road, I lived off-a-coupsville road for all my life.

1863
02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:53,500
I'm just really sad that it seems like nobody has any regard for historic buildings anymore.

1864
02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:55,500
You just put up a sign.

1865
02:42:57,060 --> 02:43:00,280
The intersection works fine, except for during school.

1866
02:43:00,380 --> 02:43:03,420
It gets a little backed up, but that's it.

1867
02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:04,860
Thank you.

1868
02:43:06,940 --> 02:43:08,340
My

1869
02:43:26,200 --> 02:43:34,200
name is Brandy Schmidt. I do not want to compromise public safety.

1870
02:43:50,020 --> 02:43:52,200
I do

1871
02:43:54,310 --> 02:43:54,810
not want to

1872
02:43:54,810 --> 02:44:04,210
is undesirable, just place, take over the place of someone or something.

1873
02:44:12,740 --> 02:44:18,120
Good afternoon. My name is Vanessa Schmidt. I'm the owner of Schmidt Family Childcare Home

1874
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:23,680
and a lifelong napa local. I'm here with my family this evening to voice my opposition

1875
02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:28,420
to moving forward with the Silver Auto Trail 5way intersection round about project.

1876
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:32,240
Our

1877
02:44:33,220 --> 02:44:37,400
Affectiveness is the displacement of fellow Napa resident Mr. Rossi.

1878
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:44,460
As you can see by the amount of vocal support in your Napa locals, we do not want this.

1879
02:44:45,360 --> 02:44:51,940
I speak for myself, my family, and the people I've spoken to so far when I say we're willing

1880
02:44:51,940 --> 02:44:57,960
to wait a few extra minutes in traffic at this light in order to not displace Mr. Rossi

1881
02:44:57,960 --> 02:44:59,880
or cause the fiscal and physical.

1882
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,220
People upheaval to our city, kicking the problem up the road,

1883
02:45:06,660 --> 02:45:16,680
kicking the problem up the road, will not fix this issue, our problem is with highway 29 and the traffic in our small city getting worse with every hotel.

1884
02:45:18,140 --> 02:45:25,640
It is your responsibility to fix this flow of traffic you created without harming the locals your supposed to represent.

1885
02:45:25,640 --> 02:45:33,500
As someone who has family members with disabilities, you will not make anything ADA compliant

1886
02:45:33,500 --> 02:45:35,360
without putting an elevator on that street.

1887
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:37,720
So please stop saying that that's your plan.

1888
02:45:38,440 --> 02:45:44,100
We do not support this, we do not want this, we keep repeating ourselves because you are

1889
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:44,580
not listening.

1890
02:45:45,300 --> 02:45:46,160
Thank you for your time.

1891
02:45:58,360 --> 02:45:59,400
Good afternoon, everyone.

1892
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:03,120
My name is Bailey and I am an NVUSD student.

1893
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:08,160
I believe that this roundabout will create unsafe conditions for pedestrians and children.

1894
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:09,880
Let me explain why.

1895
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:15,640
As a person and or student who always has to cross the street to get to my vehicle to get home,

1896
02:46:16,060 --> 02:46:22,960
I personally, personally, would not feel safe crossing a street with no stop signs or stop lights to stop cars

1897
02:46:22,960 --> 02:46:25,460
and keep me safe from getting an crash.

1898
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:27,800
And I think others wouldn't feel safe either.

1899
02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:30,780
That's why I believe this roundabout should not be built.

1900
02:46:30,980 --> 02:46:31,900
Thank you all for listening.

1901
02:46:31,900 --> 02:46:33,380
Thank you.

1902
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:42,780
Vanessa Struven?

1903
02:46:42,780 --> 02:46:43,240
Vanessa?

1904
02:46:44,500 --> 02:46:45,980
We're going to move on.

1905
02:46:46,100 --> 02:46:51,820
We do have three hands raised on Zoom, so we will go ahead and take those, um, those

1906
02:46:51,820 --> 02:46:57,460
now, um, L, we are going to give you permission to talk, and you can provide your comments.

1907
02:47:06,960 --> 02:47:11,320
I'm so, esteemed members of the school summary and mayor.

1908
02:47:11,560 --> 02:47:13,980
Excuse me, I'm just stepping to where I have a little bit better reception.

1909
02:47:14,760 --> 02:47:28,840
I can a longer see the video, but I would just for a point of order like to ask everybody in the room who knows somebody who has caught their property imminent domains for public improvement in Napa to raise their hands.

1910
02:47:28,840 --> 02:47:35,020
I would be shocked if anyone but Carol in that room has raised her hand.

1911
02:47:35,680 --> 02:47:39,320
Do you know why, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council?

1912
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:46,480
Because this family has already had one major property imminent so made.

1913
02:47:47,260 --> 02:47:52,440
Mr. Rossi's sister, the patriarch of the family,

1914
02:47:52,440 --> 02:47:54,640
These are the major arch of their family.

1915
02:47:54,840 --> 02:48:01,760
Her family property was a minute-domained and split to create 5-way 29.

1916
02:48:02,540 --> 02:48:11,140
This family has already sacrificed immensely in time, property, leverage, everything could

1917
02:48:11,140 --> 02:48:14,680
think of for the improvement of the city of Napa.

1918
02:48:14,680 --> 02:48:23,700
We are out that you leave our founding families alone that you let them age in their own homes.

1919
02:48:24,320 --> 02:48:27,160
Members of the citizenry may or council members.

1920
02:48:27,220 --> 02:48:31,600
Did you know that this family rents two Napa citizens?

1921
02:48:32,040 --> 02:48:33,320
That role, Napa citizens.

1922
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:43,640
Napa families with childrens at below market rates because they believe in having people be able to survive and live in our very expensive,

1923
02:48:43,640 --> 02:48:45,160
of high cost of living area.

1924
02:48:45,660 --> 02:48:47,500
Do you know how I know that?

1925
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:50,940
Because I, myself, my husband and my children,

1926
02:48:52,020 --> 02:48:56,660
rent from the family were well below the market rate

1927
02:48:56,660 --> 02:49:00,260
in a home that this family built 150 years ago.

1928
02:49:00,780 --> 02:49:04,000
They could charge us well above what they do.

1929
02:49:04,220 --> 02:49:05,820
But they believe in our town.

1930
02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:08,420
They believe in building families here.

1931
02:49:08,700 --> 02:49:11,340
And they've already sacrificed for the growth of our children.

1932
02:49:11,340 --> 02:49:15,980
It would be all the time on every time or when off I would want to move to the next.

1933
02:49:15,980 --> 02:49:17,600
I think you are going to have to move on.

1934
02:49:17,880 --> 02:49:21,700
Allison Rodriguez, we will now be allowing you to make comment.

1935
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:26,740
Hello.

1936
02:49:28,140 --> 02:49:34,040
I just wanted to say first of all, I respect all of you who are on the City Council.

1937
02:49:34,320 --> 02:49:37,200
I know that this is a difficult decision.

1938
02:49:37,580 --> 02:49:44,900
I know that you are weighing these things very carefully and I just want to thank you for your public service.

1939
02:49:44,900 --> 02:49:51,240
first of all. However I am here and I did actually come in person tonight with my daughter.

1940
02:49:51,780 --> 02:49:56,800
Unfortunately, we just we had to we had to leave. But I wanted to say I'm here

1941
02:49:57,780 --> 02:49:59,580
because of my conscience.

1942
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:14,240
Because the city that I moved to 20 years ago, I feel is an amazing community. And it just doesn't really seem right what we are about to do and what we're about to undertake with this intersection.

1943
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:26,180
And I feel like we could all be just a little bit more patient in our daily lives.

1944
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:29,240
We are talking about a matter of seconds here.

1945
02:50:30,260 --> 02:50:34,700
And we're talking about an intersection that seems to be functioning, even if it is not

1946
02:50:34,700 --> 02:50:42,240
functioning at its most highest efficiency, it is certainly reasonably functional and most

1947
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:48,120
people across the nation would think that an extra weight of 60 to 90 seconds that an intersection

1948
02:50:48,120 --> 02:50:53,740
probably wasn't the worst thing in the world. We are about to spend almost 30 million dollars

1949
02:50:53,740 --> 02:50:59,080
in our town to re-engineer an intersection that, in my opinion, does not need re-engineering.

1950
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:07,080
And we're about to take a home from someone who really has deserved and has, in my opinion,

1951
02:51:08,260 --> 02:51:14,120
He has really earned the right to live out his life in this wonderful home.

1952
02:51:14,300 --> 02:51:15,420
So please reconsider.

1953
02:51:16,160 --> 02:51:20,620
Please go back to the options that are available.

1954
02:51:21,500 --> 02:51:25,040
I know it is tempting with a project that is near complacent

1955
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:29,240
and not want to do that, but I really implore you to do so.

1956
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:30,620
Thank you very much for your time.

1957
02:51:35,560 --> 02:51:37,800
Next up. Next up is Sam.

1958
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:43,780
We're resetting timer, okay, okay Sam, go ahead,

1959
02:51:52,320 --> 02:51:53,340
are you

1960
02:52:00,440 --> 02:52:01,160
on here?

1961
02:52:01,320 --> 02:52:02,160
We can hear you go ahead.

1962
02:52:03,440 --> 02:52:04,200
Hello, my name is Sam.

1963
02:52:04,340 --> 02:52:06,920
I am a born and raised napkin of 41 years.

1964
02:52:07,100 --> 02:52:07,940
I live in Alpahites.

1965
02:52:08,120 --> 02:52:10,000
I live in Alpahites for 15 years.

1966
02:52:10,620 --> 02:52:13,060
I've been a took driver in Alpah for 15 years.

1967
02:52:13,280 --> 02:52:15,240
I can on account tell you,

1968
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:19,800
I have very rarely see accidents in that intersection.

1969
02:52:19,800 --> 02:52:25,820
My both of my kids have both gone so far from middle school and I feel safe and up the left and walk home.

1970
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:27,500
That intersection is very well.

1971
02:52:28,860 --> 02:52:30,800
The lights are very well timed.

1972
02:52:32,860 --> 02:52:34,340
It's not okay.

1973
02:52:34,620 --> 02:52:37,580
What is happening to Mr. Rossi across the street.

1974
02:52:38,060 --> 02:52:41,200
Our neighborhood is a very old neighborhood.

1975
02:52:42,220 --> 02:52:44,600
We should not be turned out any of these buildings.

1976
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:47,460
Some of these buildings are over 150 years old.

1977
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:49,120
You cannot go back.

1978
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:52,120
You cannot take these homes down.

1979
02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:54,280
When it's been needed for years,

1980
02:52:54,980 --> 02:52:57,200
investments improvements to the existing roads

1981
02:52:58,200 --> 02:52:59,840
getting to the five way.

1982
02:53:00,140 --> 02:53:02,620
It seems that every cement truck cargo truck

1983
02:53:02,620 --> 02:53:04,060
semi-conception vehicle,

1984
02:53:04,660 --> 02:53:06,800
and other large vehicles use the trail.

1985
02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:09,180
We need improvements such as center turn lanes.

1986
02:53:09,660 --> 02:53:11,580
Today, if you need to turn into a street

1987
02:53:11,580 --> 02:53:12,960
or business from the trail,

1988
02:53:13,080 --> 02:53:15,560
you can feel like you're taking your life in your hands.

1989
02:53:16,260 --> 02:53:17,660
Vehicles trying to pass in the right

1990
02:53:17,660 --> 02:53:20,720
often have to drive off the pavement to get around you.

1991
02:53:20,920 --> 02:53:24,140
Everyone is in a hurry, and that creates a danger of situation.

1992
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:27,480
Thank you.

1993
02:53:27,540 --> 02:53:31,520
Well, speed bumps are other traffic, calming measures being installed to prevent people from

1994
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:32,560
speeding through this neighborhood.

1995
02:53:32,740 --> 02:53:34,060
Everyone on time, please.

1996
02:53:34,460 --> 02:53:34,780
Okay.

1997
02:53:34,940 --> 02:53:36,280
I oppose this.

1998
02:53:36,680 --> 02:53:38,240
Please consider other alternatives.

1999
02:53:38,460 --> 02:53:39,120
Thank you.

2000
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:48,580
Good evening, Mayor.

2001
02:53:48,640 --> 02:53:49,160
Council members.

2002
02:53:49,480 --> 02:53:50,280
My name is Patrick Bandom.

2003
02:53:50,420 --> 02:53:53,420
I'm a senior transportation planner with the NAPA Valley Transportation Authority.

2004
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:55,800
I'd like to refer you to the letter that we said.

2005
02:53:55,800 --> 02:54:03,520
on Friday. I believe the 11th expressing NVTA supports for the staff recommendation to move forward

2006
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:07,740
with this project. We greatly appreciate the continued partnership with the city,

2007
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:13,460
CalTrans, and other project partners. NNDTA remains committed to working with the city

2008
02:54:13,460 --> 02:54:19,120
throughout final design and project delivery. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

2009
02:54:24,500 --> 02:54:30,000
You know, that's really not necessary. It's really not necessary. It tells me a lot about the audience.

2010
02:54:43,530 --> 02:54:46,770
Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

2011
02:54:47,770 --> 02:54:49,990
My name is Ronda Prudenti.

2012
02:54:51,350 --> 02:54:55,450
The Joint City of Napa and Cal Transfer Port

2013
02:54:56,270 --> 02:54:59,190
proposes spending $27 million.

2014
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:13,920
On a roundabout project. But we've already seen how roundabouts in Apple play out. I experienced them every day as I drive them.

2015
02:55:14,300 --> 02:55:24,380
First street has been solved, our traffic issues. Highway 29 and 121 is a daily disaster in my experience.

2016
02:55:24,380 --> 02:55:34,680
Simply updating and re-timing the traffic lights would fix the intersection without resorting

2017
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:39,300
to eminent domain or stealing this man's property.

2018
02:55:40,600 --> 02:55:44,800
I ask that you consider alternatives for that $27 million.

2019
02:55:46,020 --> 02:55:52,920
Think of what those funds could do if actually directed toward real priorities.

2020
02:55:52,920 --> 02:55:58,500
like building housing for our homeless, who live along the Napa River.

2021
02:56:00,810 --> 02:56:01,890
The true environmental

2022
02:56:01,890 --> 02:56:11,170
impact isn't just noise and vibration and a long list of things that are listed in the

2023
02:56:11,170 --> 02:56:21,690
report. Imposing an endo main and a multi year 27 million dollar builds will cause severe

2024
02:56:21,690 --> 02:56:27,230
extended disturbance and impending traffic for years to come.

2025
02:56:30,150 --> 02:56:33,510
Looking at the City and CalTrans report you have to ask,

2026
02:56:33,910 --> 02:56:35,790
who actually benefits?

2027
02:56:37,070 --> 02:56:41,550
It certainly isn't our local small business or community residents.

2028
02:56:42,270 --> 02:56:46,810
This project hurts our community by disrupting local business

2029
02:56:46,810 --> 02:56:50,030
and 18 additional property acquisitions.

2030
02:56:50,470 --> 02:56:53,800
Thank you, thank you very much.

2031
02:56:55,180 --> 02:56:59,260
I ask each of you to look into your hearts.

2032
02:56:59,860 --> 02:57:02,720
I didn't get to finish everything in between.

2033
02:57:03,720 --> 02:57:05,300
But if this was your father.

2034
02:57:05,480 --> 02:57:06,300
I appreciate it.

2035
02:57:06,300 --> 02:57:07,160
I appreciate it.

2036
02:57:07,160 --> 02:57:07,360
I appreciate it.

2037
02:57:07,580 --> 02:57:10,180
Would you want to displace them?

2038
02:57:11,300 --> 02:57:14,140
And have imminent domain imposed on their properties?

2039
02:57:15,340 --> 02:57:16,140
I think not.

2040
02:57:16,900 --> 02:57:17,700
Thank you.

2041
02:57:23,720 --> 02:57:25,140
Hi, my name is Angelina.

2042
02:57:25,860 --> 02:57:27,640
And I am Ronda's daughter.

2043
02:57:27,640 --> 02:57:34,500
And I have lived in this beautiful town my entire life.

2044
02:57:36,400 --> 02:57:40,880
I wasn't planning on coming up here because I don't do very well with public speaking.

2045
02:57:41,620 --> 02:57:46,080
But this situation did not sit well in my heart.

2046
02:57:46,420 --> 02:57:50,880
I have lived and grown up and not my entire life.

2047
02:57:51,240 --> 02:57:57,440
And someone who is disabled, having a stable, safe home

2048
02:57:57,440 --> 02:58:13,000
And for a familiar place means everything to me, you talk about accessibility, but taking this man's house away and hurting our small businesses is the exact opposite.

2049
02:58:14,620 --> 02:58:24,800
The traffic lights at this intersection have always made me feel safe, whereas the roundabouts only make me nervous and feel unsafe.

2050
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:32,060
They are taking away from the historic beauty of this town I call Napa.

2051
02:58:32,400 --> 02:58:40,740
My home and don't see the need for this one at the heart breaking cost of Charlie's home.

2052
02:58:40,920 --> 02:58:46,580
I want you to ask yourself, as my mom was trying to say, if this was your family member,

2053
02:58:47,420 --> 02:58:49,700
would you want this happening to them?

2054
02:58:49,700 --> 02:58:56,680
If you truly want to preserve Napa, please do not proceed with this.

2055
02:58:56,960 --> 02:59:04,880
How can, how can leaders sit comfortably, displacing Charlie or these small business owners?

2056
02:59:05,740 --> 02:59:07,120
I hope you'll reconsider.

2057
02:59:08,060 --> 02:59:08,720
Thank you.

2058
02:59:09,100 --> 02:59:10,000
Thank you.

2059
02:59:22,530 --> 02:59:26,680
Please, please, please.

2060
02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:28,080
Please, please.

2061
02:59:31,170 --> 02:59:32,850
You're disrupting our meeting.

2062
02:59:33,470 --> 02:59:34,050
Yes, thank you.

2063
02:59:34,050 --> 02:59:40,370
I think you know me well. I just didn't appreciate the booze. We have more left.

2064
02:59:41,870 --> 02:59:46,510
There were additional cards called there Sabrina and Laurie Moody. Are they in the audience?

2065
02:59:48,510 --> 02:59:52,410
Okay. Perfect. Okay. Moving on to the next stack then.

2066
02:59:52,830 --> 02:59:59,790
Tony, Drady, Julie, Tingle, Sandra, Hansen, Susan, Crosby.

2067
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:01,020
Good evening, Dorothy Glarus.

2068
03:00:15,720 --> 03:00:19,240
Good evening, evening in the back.

2069
03:00:20,540 --> 03:00:24,680
I'm going to take this in, I'm Susan Crossby and I approve this message.

2070
03:00:26,840 --> 03:00:30,660
I would like to say I'm going to take this in a direction that may seem strange.

2071
03:00:31,420 --> 03:00:39,140
I was someone who believes in the United Nations report for climate change that we're living now in a red alert for humanity.

2072
03:00:39,940 --> 03:00:51,000
And as a long time volunteer with Napa Climate Now, I'm very proud of our city council and our county for having adopted a very strong climate action resolution.

2073
03:00:51,820 --> 03:00:57,680
And the promise to view every decision through the lens of the climate emergency.

2074
03:00:58,460 --> 03:01:04,160
Now, it would be hard for me being the person that I am.

2075
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:10,680
have no choice being. It would be hard for me to criticize this proposal if its implementation

2076
03:01:10,680 --> 03:01:14,740
were guaranteed to bring any substantial climate benefits.

2077
03:01:16,260 --> 03:01:22,760
But none are expected. If approved and built, the double roundabouts are not predicted

2078
03:01:22,760 --> 03:01:29,020
to improve the flow of traffic on Silverado Trail because of the traffic lights, north and

2079
03:01:29,020 --> 03:01:32,700
south of the intersection, and because they are simply so much traffic.

2080
03:01:32,700 --> 03:01:37,300
For the same reason, the project would not decrease automobile emissions.

2081
03:01:38,180 --> 03:01:44,940
It would shorten the time for vehicles crossing Silverado Trail on 3rd Street to reach

2082
03:01:44,940 --> 03:01:49,240
Silverado Middle School, but that seems an insufficient reason for a project of this

2083
03:01:49,240 --> 03:01:50,560
expense and scale.

2084
03:01:52,670 --> 03:01:57,690
Reducing fossil fuel emissions is one key to limiting atmospheric warming.

2085
03:01:58,030 --> 03:02:01,770
Another equally powerful one is green infrastructure.

2086
03:02:02,790 --> 03:02:08,330
planting more trees and caring for the ones that we have. It takes eight to 10 years for a young

2087
03:02:08,330 --> 03:02:13,970
tree to begin to sequester carbon and 20 years for a tree to grow to its full potential for

2088
03:02:13,970 --> 03:02:18,910
cooling the atmosphere and taking carbon from the air. This project would remove an estimated

2089
03:02:18,910 --> 03:02:25,090
60 to 80 mature trees and much more of the shrubbery. That's part of it.

2090
03:02:25,090 --> 03:02:35,090
Thank you. I would also just let me add it as a gift or let you add on because yeah, but you know I came prepared for three minutes and I'm going to give everyone too.

2091
03:02:36,170 --> 03:02:43,490
If you would just respect respect the ground rules that we have and try to get everybody to get their comments on here I'd been much appreciated.

2092
03:02:45,130 --> 03:02:49,870
You know I think everybody's a little hot under the collar here.

2093
03:02:51,470 --> 03:02:59,710
I will submit more of my reports by email and I'm sure that you'll read them with the other respect they deserve.

2094
03:03:00,710 --> 03:03:04,140
Thank you. Thank you.

2095
03:03:13,130 --> 03:03:20,950
My name is Sandra Hartunian Hansen. My house of 54 years backs on to East Avenue across from the children's cottage.

2096
03:03:21,470 --> 03:03:26,310
I will be very much affected by the proposed construction and the result.

2097
03:03:27,770 --> 03:03:33,550
Looking at the report, and I did a lot of research after reading the report, I found a lot of

2098
03:03:33,550 --> 03:03:35,590
discrepancies that I'm concerned about.

2099
03:03:38,550 --> 03:03:40,790
On page 8, it says, we're feasible.

2100
03:03:41,090 --> 03:03:42,390
The roundabout will be landscape.

2101
03:03:43,130 --> 03:03:44,110
What does that mean?

2102
03:03:44,270 --> 03:03:45,070
What are the costs?

2103
03:03:45,150 --> 03:03:49,690
What are the distractions of having landscape in or around around about?

2104
03:03:49,690 --> 03:04:00,450
On page 11, equipment will have zero or me EPA or CAR 13 tier admissions or retrofitted.

2105
03:04:00,450 --> 03:04:05,510
I don't know what any of those means, but then it says, if available.

2106
03:04:06,650 --> 03:04:09,650
It doesn't say it's going to happen. It says if available.

2107
03:04:10,770 --> 03:04:15,170
Page 12 ambient noise. It says, and I quote,

2108
03:04:15,170 --> 03:04:19,110
quiet equipment, where the technology exists.

2109
03:04:20,270 --> 03:04:24,090
Cal Transwill require noise monitoring and noise controls

2110
03:04:24,090 --> 03:04:26,670
wear practical and feasible.

2111
03:04:27,890 --> 03:04:29,690
That pretty much is a loophole.

2112
03:04:32,190 --> 03:04:35,910
This summer, preliminary work was done behind my house,

2113
03:04:36,010 --> 03:04:37,250
directly behind my house.

2114
03:04:37,590 --> 03:04:40,750
There was no noise control, no emissions control.

2115
03:04:41,190 --> 03:04:42,470
It was horrendous.

2116
03:04:42,470 --> 03:04:52,470
I can't imagine being subjected to this for two years from 7 a.m. to 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

2117
03:04:53,950 --> 03:04:58,790
with perhaps overnight work if it can't be done in the daytime.

2118
03:05:00,140 --> 03:05:02,760
Okay, other things that I've discovered.

2119
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:16,180
There is a technology that now exists called the Intelligent Traffic Management System, which controls the stoplights depending on traffic and backup.

2120
03:05:17,980 --> 03:05:23,140
Thank you so much. I'm sorry that we have to keep on. Everybody had chance.

2121
03:05:23,820 --> 03:05:27,360
Okay. And also we've been here for an hour and a half. I'm looking at council for a quick break.

2122
03:05:27,360 --> 03:05:30,000
five minute break. You know,

2123
03:05:33,810 --> 03:05:40,450
I have found research that is just that does not go along with

2124
03:05:40,450 --> 03:05:41,830
it. So

2125
03:05:45,060 --> 03:05:50,180
I'm trying to keep it on, you know, everybody in chance and we're going to

2126
03:05:50,180 --> 03:05:51,600
run up against that well.

2127
03:05:56,340 --> 03:05:59,920
Yeah, this was this was designed for two and a half minutes.

2128
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:13,190
All right. Thank you. The Intelligent Traffic Management System actually achieves the needed

2129
03:06:13,190 --> 03:06:20,090
flexibility for traffic control and we're used to using traffic lights. This is a new

2130
03:06:20,090 --> 03:06:29,690
technology that needs to be explored. The NVTA, which is the Natto Valley Transit Authority,

2131
03:06:29,690 --> 03:06:35,590
zero plan, which was used for this report, says that there were two injuries that

2132
03:06:35,590 --> 03:06:41,630
Coobsville in Salvarado between 2015 and 2021.

2133
03:06:44,150 --> 03:06:45,430
Thank you.

2134
03:06:45,630 --> 03:06:46,610
Can you please wrap it up?

2135
03:06:46,890 --> 03:06:47,510
I will.

2136
03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:58,140
There have only been 10 reported accidents in the last five years at that intersection and

2137
03:06:58,140 --> 03:06:59,360
of them were fatal.

2138
03:07:05,100 --> 03:07:10,600
Well, I guess the other things I have put in here for you.

2139
03:07:11,140 --> 03:07:11,640
Thank you.

2140
03:07:11,660 --> 03:07:12,320
Thank you.

2141
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:21,060
We have three

2142
03:07:41,310 --> 03:07:43,570
good evening, Dorothy Gleros,

2143
03:07:44,130 --> 03:07:46,650
lifelong resident at 360 Silver Auto Trail,

2144
03:07:46,750 --> 03:07:49,230
and I cannot tell you how many times I've gone through that intersection.

2145
03:07:49,230 --> 03:07:54,690
I wind up spending more time at the intersection at the so-so at the soccer and

2146
03:07:54,690 --> 03:07:57,770
silver out of trail than I do at the five corners, just so you know that.

2147
03:07:58,170 --> 03:07:59,350
Four points real quickly.

2148
03:08:00,270 --> 03:08:03,390
Number one, roundabouts may not necessarily reduce accidents.

2149
03:08:03,730 --> 03:08:05,570
You do not have any data on that.

2150
03:08:05,990 --> 03:08:09,510
I was sitesw typed at the first street round about, my way.

2151
03:08:09,850 --> 03:08:11,070
Some guys zoomed by me.

2152
03:08:11,550 --> 03:08:12,830
Fiteswipenate took off.

2153
03:08:12,890 --> 03:08:14,010
I did not follow report.

2154
03:08:14,490 --> 03:08:15,130
No, license number.

2155
03:08:15,590 --> 03:08:17,690
If you don't believe there's accidents there, they're not reported.

2156
03:08:17,690 --> 03:08:24,370
you go talk to Stork's garage. Number two, roundabouts do not necessarily calm and reduce

2157
03:08:24,370 --> 03:08:29,790
speed. Goodness gracious. Now, Pocity put in a roundabout on East Avenue north of the

2158
03:08:29,790 --> 03:08:34,090
Alta Heights because that's what they were going to do. It was so disastrous they removed

2159
03:08:34,090 --> 03:08:39,610
the roundabout and made street straight through. Luckily they didn't tear anyone's house down.

2160
03:08:40,410 --> 03:08:47,390
Three, time. There was a, there is a city city, there's a city council member right now who said

2161
03:08:47,390 --> 03:08:49,350
that they waited 15 minutes at that intersection.

2162
03:08:49,550 --> 03:08:50,910
And let me tell you, that's impossible.

2163
03:08:51,670 --> 03:08:52,530
Absolutely impossible.

2164
03:08:52,750 --> 03:08:56,010
I've never had to wait more than one and a half cycles on that.

2165
03:08:56,470 --> 03:08:58,350
Here is an alternative, perhaps,

2166
03:08:59,050 --> 03:09:00,390
than removing somebody's house.

2167
03:09:01,050 --> 03:09:03,430
Why don't you check and see what backs up most?

2168
03:09:04,550 --> 03:09:06,770
When, so broad on middle school, let's out,

2169
03:09:07,170 --> 03:09:09,570
comes for road, lengthen that light, a little bit,

2170
03:09:09,790 --> 03:09:12,330
take away from the east avenue, take away

2171
03:09:12,330 --> 03:09:13,210
from the third street.

2172
03:09:13,210 --> 03:09:19,970
It averages out, reduces, reduces the backup, for nap history, and this is my last one.

2173
03:09:21,070 --> 03:09:27,650
I can't count the number of times people said, oh gosh, I wish we hadn't turned on those beautiful old buildings during redevelopment.

2174
03:09:29,630 --> 03:09:34,950
Let's not make that mistake again. The locals would have loved to see all those beautiful buildings today.

2175
03:09:35,590 --> 03:09:42,970
You have a chance today to keep what makes nap special by not removing this man's home.

2176
03:09:45,960 --> 03:09:48,620
20 more seconds because I was planning on three minutes.

2177
03:09:48,780 --> 03:09:49,260
Thank you.

2178
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:51,800
Please, this is very important to me.

2179
03:09:51,800 --> 03:09:53,040
I'm going to try to stick to it.

2180
03:09:53,820 --> 03:09:54,460
20 seconds.

2181
03:09:55,780 --> 03:09:57,220
When my husband had his stroke,

2182
03:09:58,020 --> 03:09:59,180
and he went memory back,

2183
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:22,260
To take my husband and another lady through there, and then would look at the lights in that house. And the conversation that went in, in the cab of my truck, would have made your eyes tear up. Please, please, please, I'm asking you do not take this away from the locals of Napa. Please.

2184
03:10:31,230 --> 03:10:40,070
Julie or Tony are you Julie Tingle or Tony trading going once going twice okay

2185
03:10:46,530 --> 03:10:48,910
next set how many more do you have

2186
03:10:56,720 --> 03:11:01,060
and T1 and 1 on Zoom 20 and 1 on Zoom so

2187
03:11:01,060 --> 03:11:04,680
we're gonna get to 9 o'clock we look quick so we're gonna take a five minute break

2188
03:11:06,240 --> 03:11:11,240
be back at 815 I didn't hear my name being called but I was supposed to be there

2189
03:11:11,240 --> 03:11:12,240
Did you call it?

2190
03:11:12,960 --> 03:11:13,580
I'm going to take you to Bernie.

2191
03:11:13,580 --> 03:11:14,260
20 more cards.

2192
03:11:14,660 --> 03:11:14,860
All right.

2193
03:11:15,080 --> 03:11:16,540
Thank you.

2194
03:11:16,600 --> 03:11:17,660
And here's since 2013.

2195
03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:18,360
So we need credit.

2196
03:11:18,380 --> 03:11:18,720
Yeah.

2197
03:17:48,270 --> 03:17:56,290
All right, we can get everybody to take their seats. We'll get going on this again, our quick five-minute break help.

2198
03:18:03,160 --> 03:18:07,400
All right, if you can get everybody back in order, we'll move along.

2199
03:18:10,340 --> 03:18:17,500
We're trying to get, if we can get everybody to, before I have council member, Leros and Whistle.

2200
03:18:20,960 --> 03:18:26,320
I would do. Hang on, hitting this being rude.

2201
03:18:26,320 --> 03:18:26,320
All

2202
03:18:29,940 --> 03:18:31,460
right,

2203
03:18:39,330 --> 03:18:41,270
City Clerk will have start five more names.

2204
03:18:49,580 --> 03:18:53,480
Okay, if everyone could take a seat, I'm calling the next five names, please.

2205
03:18:54,360 --> 03:18:55,120
Thank you.

2206
03:18:55,140 --> 03:18:56,020
They listened to Tiffany.

2207
03:18:56,380 --> 03:18:57,400
I don't know.

2208
03:18:57,580 --> 03:18:57,980
All the names.

2209
03:18:58,140 --> 03:19:02,920
Okay, the next five speakers are Kate Shorenberger.

2210
03:19:03,500 --> 03:19:05,100
Steve Weaver.

2211
03:19:06,540 --> 03:19:07,160
Gail Allen.

2212
03:19:07,880 --> 03:19:09,160
Lynn Wyman.

2213
03:19:09,700 --> 03:19:10,760
And Anne.

2214
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:12,380
Anne Valerga.

2215
03:19:12,780 --> 03:19:13,740
All right.

2216
03:19:13,740 --> 03:19:19,140
at one more time, Kate Snowberger, or Sornberger, Steve Weaver,

2217
03:19:19,600 --> 03:19:22,700
Gail Allen, Lynn Wyman, and Valerga.

2218
03:19:34,020 --> 03:19:37,440
Okay, again, here's a first speaker, no.

2219
03:19:37,900 --> 03:19:40,660
Okay, the next five names, Kate Sornberger,

2220
03:19:41,080 --> 03:19:45,620
Steve Weaver, Gail Allen, Lynn Wyman, and Ann Valerga.

2221
03:19:53,070 --> 03:19:55,930
I'm named Steve Weaver, I've been here since 1986,

2222
03:19:56,730 --> 03:19:57,870
and I live on the other side of town,

2223
03:19:57,950 --> 03:19:59,890
but I've driven through this intersection plenty of time.

2224
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:19,860
I don't mind waiting, and I've never had wait long, I've never seen an accident there, and you talk to the people who live there. They don't see accidents, so I'm wondering if some of your data is fabricated. Because it doesn't match what these people say, and they live here. I've been here this month, and I don't mind driving through there.

2225
03:20:21,340 --> 03:20:29,740
I also listen to next door and patch and that register and this press Democrat, and there's

2226
03:20:29,740 --> 03:20:32,420
no mention of accidents on that location.

2227
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:38,760
So I think it's actually fine like it is, so I'm going to keep this short.

2228
03:20:39,820 --> 03:20:50,000
These are your constituents, the vast majority of the people who have spoken tonight do not

2229
03:20:50,000 --> 03:21:03,940
want this project. The ratio is all many to one so far. So I suggest that you listen to your constituents and do not approve this project.

2230
03:21:13,620 --> 03:21:25,360
Hello. Thank you for having me tonight. My name is Anne Valerga. I want to acknowledge and appreciate the opportunity in the privilege that I have to be here tonight.

2231
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:41,000
I am proud to be part of a family that's spent generations in this town, built one of the very first homes in the Alter Heights area, but tonight I'm going to speak in my capacity as principal and steward of silver automittal school.

2232
03:21:41,540 --> 03:21:47,160
And I'm going to offer another perspective and I love the engagement tonight. It's what makes democracy work.

2233
03:21:47,160 --> 03:21:53,520
Every day, hundreds of students come to and from our Silverado campus, many of them walk

2234
03:21:53,520 --> 03:21:58,140
ride their bikes and scoot through that corridor.

2235
03:21:58,580 --> 03:22:03,960
It's imperative that children get to and from school safely, and I believe that intersection

2236
03:22:03,960 --> 03:22:10,020
is not safe and ideal with incidents and reports from families on a regular basis, so

2237
03:22:10,020 --> 03:22:12,140
just sharing another viewpoint.

2238
03:22:13,100 --> 03:22:18,680
There are significant safety hazards at this complex intersection, especially, of course,

2239
03:22:18,740 --> 03:22:20,860
during the peak drop-off and pick-up hours.

2240
03:22:22,180 --> 03:22:27,540
And really, my concern is around the pavement, which is dangerous, outdated, uneven,

2241
03:22:28,900 --> 03:22:33,280
and students having to navigate that, especially on bikes or scooters, is just too risky.

2242
03:22:34,860 --> 03:22:39,680
CalTrans and the Federal Highway Administration Studies show that replacing intersections

2243
03:22:39,680 --> 03:22:46,960
with modern roundabouts is data backed, and it cuts pedestrian vehicle conflict points by over 50%.

2244
03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:51,880
Our youth, and I was shocked to learn this, are the most vulnerable. According to California

2245
03:22:51,880 --> 03:22:57,440
Office of Traffic Safety, Napa County consistently ranks in the top of the whole state for

2246
03:22:57,440 --> 03:23:03,820
youth, pedestrian, and bicycle injuries. We need to keep our neighborhood safe as well so that

2247
03:23:03,820 --> 03:23:09,320
our neighbors can have access to emergency vehicles or a fire evacuation and not have the

2248
03:23:09,320 --> 03:23:13,200
with lock experience. Thank you. It's not about time. It's about safety.

2249
03:23:15,020 --> 03:23:15,980
Thank you.

2250
03:23:27,060 --> 03:23:30,480
Thank you for, oh my goodness. Thank you for having us.

2251
03:23:33,210 --> 03:23:37,550
Well, I first heard rumors about how counter-trans wanted to do this because of the tourists.

2252
03:23:37,710 --> 03:23:43,690
I thought this is a local city. You get used to that intersection. You know what's hard not to use it

2253
03:23:43,690 --> 03:23:46,990
when you have baseball, you're using it.

2254
03:23:47,130 --> 03:23:49,790
But anyway, I understand it.

2255
03:23:49,790 --> 03:23:52,190
It was started with the cattle way back.

2256
03:23:52,710 --> 03:23:58,050
But I don't understand why you want to destroy structures

2257
03:23:58,050 --> 03:24:01,430
in that long-term environment.

2258
03:24:02,550 --> 03:24:06,010
You're changing the dirt to do this.

2259
03:24:06,010 --> 03:24:08,850
And what do you do with the cemetery behind?

2260
03:24:09,310 --> 03:24:12,890
The business that sells the tombstones for the business.

2261
03:24:12,890 --> 03:24:20,870
And I patronize the businesses that you want to destroy, because I prefer to do the local businesses instead of the big chain stores.

2262
03:24:22,130 --> 03:24:26,250
And the habitat, while alive habitat, we have that in that area.

2263
03:24:26,710 --> 03:24:30,830
How would it affect the streams and the creeks in that area?

2264
03:24:31,110 --> 03:24:32,230
We know that it gets dry.

2265
03:24:34,770 --> 03:24:34,970
Okay.

2266
03:24:35,810 --> 03:24:45,030
Anyway, I believe that we don't need the round of doubt, these community people here feel like we know how to drive our streets.

2267
03:24:45,230 --> 03:24:52,050
We know how to watch the kids on that street and I've watched them because I've been in that area often not.

2268
03:24:52,650 --> 03:24:54,790
So I don't understand the need of it.

2269
03:24:54,850 --> 03:24:59,970
And then who has the right to take the businesses away? Who has the...

2270
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:10,280
Right, to say, who's going to fund for this? Well, it's going to be us that will fund it. It won't be just you.

2271
03:25:12,460 --> 03:25:29,840
And then who, I know this is Ron Potter, say, but who paid you an accept this project? And I know, back in the past, and I'm almost done. Martha would have been very interesting to listen to if she was alive today in this meeting.

2272
03:25:30,000 --> 03:25:31,280
Thank you.

2273
03:25:41,710 --> 03:25:46,230
Thank you for taking our comments. Lynn Wyman, Green Valley Road, Napa County.

2274
03:25:46,710 --> 03:25:52,050
I've been traversing this intersection for over 30 years and have never seen an accident there.

2275
03:25:53,110 --> 03:25:56,630
I'm going to reference an article that comes from Sart City's dive.

2276
03:25:57,110 --> 03:26:01,530
And it says roundabouts have mixed results for pedestrian and cyclists safety.

2277
03:26:02,070 --> 03:26:07,130
It's still being studied. Roundabouts are still relatively new in this country.

2278
03:26:07,130 --> 03:26:16,770
And I think we're finding out for pedestrian and bicyclist safety, they aren't the panacea that they're being sold to us has.

2279
03:26:17,130 --> 03:26:23,990
And by concern is the students that go through there are not going to get yielded to with it's time for them to cross.

2280
03:26:24,550 --> 03:26:30,370
And there's going to be pedestrian accidents that are going to be catastrophic. Thank you.

2281
03:26:37,990 --> 03:26:39,370
Kate Sorinberger?

2282
03:26:40,290 --> 03:26:50,190
Okay. Thank you. We we do have one let's jump to we do have one person on zoom with their hand that mayor so we're going to switch or two people now.

2283
03:26:50,890 --> 03:26:53,690
So Lori Alderman on zoom.

2284
03:26:56,690 --> 03:27:05,170
Hi. I'm live at Gatati and I wanted to tell you what it's like watching day.

2285
03:27:05,170 --> 03:27:09,170
they should view what happened in Gatotti issues of

2286
03:27:09,690 --> 03:27:18,710
eminent domain and everything and the city wanted to put in roundabouts for traffic.

2287
03:27:19,250 --> 03:27:32,210
Well, we got creative in Gatotti and we did a ballot measure and band roundabouts and for 14 years roundabouts were banding Gatotti.

2288
03:27:32,210 --> 03:27:37,710
And it was never about roundabouts themselves.

2289
03:27:38,030 --> 03:27:43,350
It was about people not listing the city not listing to us.

2290
03:27:45,190 --> 03:27:48,290
And dictating what was going to be there.

2291
03:27:49,570 --> 03:27:53,770
And anyways, I just wanted to tell you what happened in Gethati.

2292
03:27:53,770 --> 03:28:03,310
I mean, might be with all this people, it might be good to get a ballot measure together.

2293
03:28:03,930 --> 03:28:04,690
Thank you.

2294
03:28:13,260 --> 03:28:15,780
And, Jason, officer?

2295
03:28:25,270 --> 03:28:26,110
You're unmuted.

2296
03:28:27,670 --> 03:28:28,990
There we go.

2297
03:28:29,110 --> 03:28:30,710
Are you able to hear me?

2298
03:28:30,970 --> 03:28:31,390
Yes.

2299
03:28:32,910 --> 03:28:33,610
All right.

2300
03:28:33,830 --> 03:28:36,830
So there were a few things that I heard that we're not mentioned.

2301
03:28:36,830 --> 03:28:40,930
We actually rushed home with our kids to get them to bed from that meeting.

2302
03:28:41,570 --> 03:28:45,770
It's been a very great meeting showing our opposition.

2303
03:28:47,050 --> 03:28:49,050
There's a lot of things that I have questions about.

2304
03:28:50,150 --> 03:28:53,570
And some of those things are the financial responsibility for how

2305
03:28:53,570 --> 03:28:55,670
Trans in a project like this.

2306
03:28:56,110 --> 03:29:01,010
And then what the financial responsibility for the city of Napa would be.

2307
03:29:01,610 --> 03:29:04,590
This is something to where I see a $27 million project.

2308
03:29:05,210 --> 03:29:15,130
That's what's quoted now, but as we know, the prices have only gone up and if we're looking to have this completed by 2030, I can only imagine what those prices are.

2309
03:29:15,830 --> 03:29:20,830
I look at things like Fuller Park, which is wonderful. I love it.

2310
03:29:20,890 --> 03:29:26,410
But that was also a very expensive project that was much higher than what it was originally quoted.

2311
03:29:26,410 --> 03:29:37,710
There are a lot of cough and time directly tied to some of the regulatory red tape, taking

2312
03:29:37,710 --> 03:29:42,510
18 months to just put in this seems excessive.

2313
03:29:44,210 --> 03:29:50,830
The highway 29 isn't crossing, and the evening is much worse than this intersection.

2314
03:29:51,950 --> 03:29:56,930
Highway 29, going through all the lights through town in the morning and in the evenings.

2315
03:29:57,750 --> 03:29:59,830
People have to sit through three or four cycles.

2316
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:12,180
I feel like those would be better suited to have other alternatives, as well as making it more desirable of a view of looking at something that is

2317
03:30:12,180 --> 03:30:17,940
map that screams Napa to bring tourists who are struggling wineries.

2318
03:30:19,840 --> 03:30:27,400
We all have, for me, spending that kind of money on a project like this.

2319
03:30:28,620 --> 03:30:32,620
I've made several complaints about my streets, along with a lot of my neighbors on neighboring

2320
03:30:32,620 --> 03:30:34,060
streets, about the quality.

2321
03:30:35,040 --> 03:30:37,940
And my children cannot ride scooter, state, state board.

2322
03:30:37,940 --> 03:30:38,820
Did you hear the timer?

2323
03:30:39,340 --> 03:30:40,100
We're at two minutes.

2324
03:30:40,300 --> 03:30:41,780
I have to ask you to wrap it up.

2325
03:30:42,780 --> 03:30:42,960
Yep.

2326
03:30:42,960 --> 03:30:49,320
So I will, I will be seeing that, and I hope you take the

2327
03:30:49,320 --> 03:30:52,740
consideration. So that people there were there.

2328
03:30:53,000 --> 03:30:53,180
Thank you.

2329
03:30:56,120 --> 03:31:02,160
We have, we do have one, we do have another hand on a zoom.

2330
03:31:02,460 --> 03:31:03,420
Melissa Officer.

2331
03:31:06,780 --> 03:31:07,460
Yes.

2332
03:31:07,460 --> 03:31:09,800
Hi. Thank you for letting me comment.

2333
03:31:10,720 --> 03:31:15,040
I wanted to preface this by saying that generally I am

2334
03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:20,660
around it about. I like roundabouts. I think they work great in the proper settings. I am

2335
03:31:20,660 --> 03:31:28,120
definitely not programmed about in this case. I have, I used to work in Berkeley and there is a

2336
03:31:28,120 --> 03:31:34,440
big roundabout in a residential neighborhood really similar to this neighborhood here in Napa.

2337
03:31:35,260 --> 03:31:40,940
And it takes just as long to get through that intersection as the current five way intersection

2338
03:31:40,940 --> 03:31:48,540
that comes though, takes now. So, around about, we'll not solve that issue of weight times.

2339
03:31:49,660 --> 03:31:56,200
And again, I echo everyone else who has said that it is uncontrollable for us to even be

2340
03:31:56,200 --> 03:32:01,680
considering using eminent domain here in Napa to take away the home of a man who's lived in his

2341
03:32:01,680 --> 03:32:08,140
house as a whole life for 86 years. That house is a treasure. I grew up, I was born and raised in Napa,

2342
03:32:08,140 --> 03:32:12,380
I grew up seeing that house during the holidays and loving it.

2343
03:32:13,220 --> 03:32:16,860
And everyone else here probably has those same memories.

2344
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:19,960
So again, I don't think the roundabout is the right decision

2345
03:32:19,960 --> 03:32:21,100
for this intersection.

2346
03:32:21,540 --> 03:32:22,580
I echo everyone else.

2347
03:32:22,820 --> 03:32:26,820
And I say please vote to oppose this measure.

2348
03:32:27,000 --> 03:32:27,860
Thank you.

2349
03:32:31,790 --> 03:32:36,350
OK, we are moving back to cards.

2350
03:32:36,350 --> 03:32:43,790
we have Lisa Doxy, Clint Holiday, Leanna Gracie, Colleen Moore, and Carol Lennon.

2351
03:32:55,170 --> 03:33:02,490
My name is Clint Holiday and I've lived in this town for her well over 80 years and what

2352
03:33:02,490 --> 03:33:10,470
I would appear for the people that will be impacted with the property.

2353
03:33:11,670 --> 03:33:13,970
Some of my know, some of my don't.

2354
03:33:13,970 --> 03:33:35,250
But number one, I think that the city of Napa cannot afford to buy these people out and they cannot afford the time limit that it takes to do the roundabout.

2355
03:33:36,050 --> 03:33:46,750
I have lived in Westwood, my entire life except, well, I don't live there now, but I own

2356
03:33:46,750 --> 03:33:47,830
property there.

2357
03:33:48,950 --> 03:33:59,900
I get in the first street overpass, or the roundabout, and up on your brochure there, you

2358
03:33:59,900 --> 03:34:03,400
said, oh, these people, they're shooting a red light, they're shooting a green light.

2359
03:34:03,400 --> 03:34:19,580
If you've ever been through it around about these people will all but kill you to not let you in a yield you stop there, especially first straight.

2360
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:29,360
It's so small that you're so busy looking to the left, you don't know you're going to hit on the right.

2361
03:34:29,360 --> 03:34:49,580
and I see I'm about out of time. I would ask all of you people. How would you feel, if somebody came, knocked on your door, said we're going to come in, we're going to tear it down tomorrow and put a neighborhood project in there.

2362
03:34:49,580 --> 03:34:59,980
You all somebody lives somewhere, whether you own or rent and you're going to be asked to move.

2363
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:04,080
If I thank you, I'll make time for the somebody else. Thank you.

2364
03:35:14,560 --> 03:35:19,780
Hi, my name is Leona and I was born in Napa and raised in Nata Heights.

2365
03:35:20,140 --> 03:35:23,180
You should not have the right to take a person's home.

2366
03:35:26,290 --> 03:35:31,630
If I was to steal, I would get in trouble. If you steal, you should also get in trouble.

2367
03:35:32,150 --> 03:35:38,830
I walk home and the only issue I have is not having sidewalks on the south side.

2368
03:35:38,830 --> 03:35:43,710
of Conesville, from my school, all the way down to Salvador,

2369
03:35:43,910 --> 03:35:47,430
there are also no bike lanes for the Salvador students.

2370
03:35:49,010 --> 03:35:49,770
Thank you.

2371
03:35:49,930 --> 03:35:50,890
Thank you.

2372
03:36:01,250 --> 03:36:04,550
My name is Lisa Doxie and I am a resident of Alta Heights.

2373
03:36:06,130 --> 03:36:11,790
I'm here to advocate for our elderly and what the impact could have on the Serasi's

2374
03:36:11,790 --> 03:36:12,590
life span.

2375
03:36:13,050 --> 03:36:16,250
I'm a speech language pathologist with a background in neural plus

2376
03:36:16,250 --> 03:36:23,390
in the aging brain. As we age, our neural connections and pathways are reduced and our ability to learn

2377
03:36:23,390 --> 03:36:29,850
and retain new information and the routines are compromised. Elderly people can experience

2378
03:36:29,850 --> 03:36:36,990
the decline in health and or longevity after moving into unfamiliar environments. This is clinically

2379
03:36:36,990 --> 03:36:44,910
recognized as relocation stress syndrome, also known as transfer trauma. One common example is when

2380
03:36:44,910 --> 03:36:47,830
elderly people need to relieve themselves during the night.

2381
03:36:48,210 --> 03:36:53,710
When living in a familiar space, they rely on long and green patterns of memory and routine

2382
03:36:53,710 --> 03:36:58,910
to move to the bathroom back to bed, although they can likely do this in the dark in familiar

2383
03:36:58,910 --> 03:37:04,670
environments with long-term memories developed, they aren't unable to do so in new, unfamiliar

2384
03:37:04,670 --> 03:37:10,590
environments, which leads to false, broken hips, limbs, head injuries, etc.

2385
03:37:10,590 --> 03:37:15,330
Please imagine being in your familiar home during an electrical

2386
03:37:15,330 --> 03:37:20,710
outage and how you're able to move through your home from a chair and a sofa

2387
03:37:20,710 --> 03:37:25,750
navigate your body around expected furniture, walk down a hall to a separate

2388
03:37:25,750 --> 03:37:31,310
room, and then find a specific drawer or a cupboard where you keep a flashlight. All in

2389
03:37:31,310 --> 03:37:36,410
the dark. Now imagine being in an unfamiliar environment where walls, furniture,

2390
03:37:36,410 --> 03:37:42,910
doorways, covers, and drawers are not where they're expected. Before you move ahead with

2391
03:37:42,910 --> 03:37:48,010
the timing of this project, I encourage you to consider the impact upon Charlie Rossi's

2392
03:37:48,010 --> 03:37:51,610
longevity. Thank you. Thank you.

2393
03:37:58,260 --> 03:38:00,200
Do we have Colleen Moore or Carol Linin?

2394
03:38:03,890 --> 03:38:11,870
I've been here before. I've been here for, and again, I'm going to ask you what's really important about

2395
03:38:11,870 --> 03:38:38,790
that. I mean, what is really important here? I think people are important. I was a nurse. I gave my life to that. I think people are very important. And I think we should care about people. And I think it's inexcusable to try and take an old man's house away from him. This other lady is an expert in aging. She's right.

2396
03:38:38,790 --> 03:38:48,390
I've been with people in horrible combat, less than hospitals, I've seen when people are disrupted from their home or their environment.

2397
03:38:48,990 --> 03:38:55,670
They just go downhill. They just go downhill. There's no use. You know, they just give up. And you see it every day.

2398
03:38:56,490 --> 03:39:06,990
We can't do this to Mr. Rossi. And also, I know that you only going to give me two minutes. That's okay. But you gave them all the time they wanted.

2399
03:39:07,730 --> 03:39:13,390
also I want to make one other statement. Who's going to pay for this? I'm a tax payer,

2400
03:39:13,730 --> 03:39:18,110
I probably don't pay as much taxes as you do, could you probably live in far greater houses

2401
03:39:18,110 --> 03:39:24,250
than I do? But I'm going to pay for this. So I have a right to say something, maybe longer

2402
03:39:24,250 --> 03:39:29,170
than two minutes. You're not going to pay for this. You're not going to pay for this. I'm going

2403
03:39:29,990 --> 03:39:39,690
Okay, we deserve better, and we deserve you who represent us to at least care about us, to care about us.

2404
03:39:44,020 --> 03:39:45,800
I care about you as a nurse.

2405
03:39:45,900 --> 03:39:51,760
If you were any of my patients in a hospital, I'd be there for you in a heartbeat if you needed me.

2406
03:39:52,580 --> 03:39:54,950
I care, and I wouldn't even know your name.

2407
03:39:55,700 --> 03:39:58,860
Well, I know your name, but what I'm trying to say is, I care.

2408
03:39:58,860 --> 03:39:59,980
And...

2409
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:24,680
And I think that's the most important thing about Napa. You don't want to make this great. I know we have money. I know we, you know, this is a blind country. But what care what makes this great is that all the people say this, they care. Thank you. The tourists say, people care about us a little when we come here. And you know why? It's that community spirit. Don't take that away from us.

2410
03:40:30,720 --> 03:40:35,580
One last call for Carol, women. Okay. And moving on to the next

2411
03:40:35,580 --> 03:40:46,000
five J.C.S. Smith. I think it's like Leilani Berg, Allison Rodriguez, Samuel Gracie, and Denise

2412
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:47,000
Bertilucci.

2413
03:40:53,300 --> 03:41:00,640
Hello. My name is Leilani Bergen. I live in the avenues. I have raised two

2414
03:41:00,640 --> 03:41:08,660
boys here in the app Valley. We went to Mount George, Silverado, middle school, so I don't know

2415
03:41:08,660 --> 03:41:11,100
what she's talking about kids at Silver Auto

2416
03:41:11,100 --> 03:41:12,720
are having problems.

2417
03:41:13,520 --> 03:41:17,220
I have never seen any problems at this intersection,

2418
03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:18,400
at all.

2419
03:41:18,820 --> 03:41:22,780
And I drive the valley as my job as well.

2420
03:41:23,120 --> 03:41:26,360
I go through that intersection multiple times,

2421
03:41:26,440 --> 03:41:29,140
maybe five or six times a day.

2422
03:41:29,780 --> 03:41:31,700
And I never see any problems.

2423
03:41:33,020 --> 03:41:36,680
And Charlie's house, it's been an monument.

2424
03:41:36,680 --> 03:41:43,120
When I grew up in Voleo, when I was a little kid, I went to the Mormon Church, and we always

2425
03:41:43,120 --> 03:41:51,420
drove by there, and the Christmas lights, it puts a smile on your face, my roots really are

2426
03:41:51,420 --> 03:41:57,300
deep here in the Napa Valley, like all of these people behind me, and I want to thank everyone

2427
03:41:57,300 --> 03:42:04,560
for showing up, and I know there's even more who couldn't make it, who would be here, but we need

2428
03:42:04,560 --> 03:42:11,700
get back to the basics of what Napa was what it was supposed to be. That's why I lived here,

2429
03:42:12,180 --> 03:42:19,700
caring about our community, about the people, and the values that we have. I don't see any reason

2430
03:42:19,700 --> 03:42:26,000
that roundabout needs to be there. It's not going to stop the traffic. You have the traffic down on

2431
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:31,740
Monticello. You need to put the money somewhere else like why don't you go down to James and

2432
03:42:31,740 --> 03:42:35,760
and Hydeway 29 and doing overpass there.

2433
03:42:36,320 --> 03:42:38,120
That has all the accidents.

2434
03:42:39,460 --> 03:42:43,080
I don't understand, please I beg you.

2435
03:42:43,720 --> 03:42:47,140
Really think deep down in your heart do not pass this.

2436
03:42:47,820 --> 03:42:50,220
We do not need those roundabouts.

2437
03:42:50,800 --> 03:42:51,500
Thank you.

2438
03:43:06,660 --> 03:43:08,700
That's Dennis Bertolucci,

2439
03:43:14,940 --> 03:43:17,180
longtime resident from Health the Heights

2440
03:43:17,520 --> 03:43:19,700
and I basically have two questions.

2441
03:43:20,580 --> 03:43:25,600
Presently the five corner intersection, the level of services considered by

2442
03:43:25,600 --> 03:43:31,580
cow trams is the worst level they have due to congestion and stack up time at

2443
03:43:31,580 --> 03:43:37,180
the intersection. My question is, with the new double roundabout improvement,

2444
03:43:37,900 --> 03:43:42,700
how long does cow trams estimate the improvement will meet the new level of

2445
03:43:42,700 --> 03:43:48,600
service over time? What factors would lower the improvement rating for the new

2446
03:43:48,600 --> 03:43:58,620
about section. At a cost of approximately $28 million, well, they maintain this, this LOS over time

2447
03:43:58,620 --> 03:44:05,200
after the construction. I'm concerned that at the cost of $28 million for one intersection,

2448
03:44:06,160 --> 03:44:13,200
improvement on this stretch of Highway 121 is not an effective use of my taxpayer money or a return

2449
03:44:13,200 --> 03:44:20,580
of investment. The second question is, at the cost of improving this one intersection at

2450
03:44:20,580 --> 03:44:28,240
$28 million for changing the single intersection that is handling both local and highway

2451
03:44:28,240 --> 03:44:36,500
traffic from congestion, why has the idea of rerouting the highway traffic off silver

2452
03:44:36,500 --> 03:44:43,340
are trail not been considered. The double roundabout is replacing signals, lights, disrupting

2453
03:44:43,340 --> 03:44:49,740
local businesses, some with memories considering the historic home, not only the public

2454
03:44:49,740 --> 03:44:56,500
Christmas decoration, joy, visual for the town, but it's one of a few, sire built, construction

2455
03:44:56,500 --> 03:44:59,840
blockhouses that was manufactured in built in Apple.

2456
03:45:00,530 --> 03:45:13,610
I have to wonder why 28 million dollars is being spent on a single intersection. Well, it still is connecting to the north and south highway.

2457
03:45:15,670 --> 03:45:28,210
Okay, basically it's a two lay intersection and it's connecting to two lanes on either side, which is going to stack up the traffic anyway no matter what.

2458
03:45:28,210 --> 03:45:36,150
So, re-ground it and make the fiscal avenue the new highway.

2459
03:45:37,010 --> 03:45:38,210
You can change that.

2460
03:45:38,250 --> 03:45:39,530
CalTrans can do it.

2461
03:45:39,810 --> 03:45:40,130
Thank you.

2462
03:45:40,390 --> 03:45:45,670
And Napa can put a, we're the link which agreement that would cover the justification

2463
03:45:45,670 --> 03:45:48,430
of them handling it.

2464
03:45:48,450 --> 03:45:49,430
Thank you.

2465
03:45:55,830 --> 03:46:00,450
Do we have Samuel, Gracie, or J.C. Schmidt?

2466
03:46:00,650 --> 03:46:00,910
I think.

2467
03:46:01,810 --> 03:46:02,110
Okay.

2468
03:46:02,670 --> 03:46:04,130
And then Allison arrived to leave here.

2469
03:46:04,130 --> 03:46:05,070
Have a heard comment on Zoom.

2470
03:46:05,190 --> 03:46:06,730
So I'm moving along.

2471
03:46:08,170 --> 03:46:10,630
We have Ryan Lindley.

2472
03:46:12,290 --> 03:46:13,330
Rolf and Rowe.

2473
03:46:14,070 --> 03:46:15,030
Heather McLaughlin.

2474
03:46:15,430 --> 03:46:17,050
As Marilda Rose Bush.

2475
03:46:17,850 --> 03:46:20,010
Christina McDonald and Robert Francis.

2476
03:46:25,420 --> 03:46:25,580
Hello.

2477
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:26,300
Good evening.

2478
03:46:26,500 --> 03:46:27,080
I'm Ryan Lindley.

2479
03:46:27,380 --> 03:46:30,020
I want you to look around because all these people.

2480
03:46:30,020 --> 03:46:34,540
and all the people that left, we're here for one man, and that was for Charlie Rossi.

2481
03:46:35,100 --> 03:46:40,560
And all of you, every single one of you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves

2482
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:46,800
that you even remotely considered and put it through your minds that you would take this

2483
03:46:46,800 --> 03:46:51,340
man's home. And I'm going to end because I'm ditching my comments to say,

2484
03:46:51,620 --> 03:46:56,820
Mr. Sedgley, the contempt you have for your constituents, is absolutely appalling.

2485
03:46:57,540 --> 03:46:58,100
Absolutely.

2486
03:47:01,480 --> 03:47:02,960
I yield my time.

2487
03:47:14,940 --> 03:47:27,960
I live here in Napa. I wanted to let you know that I have reported every member of the City Council to adult protective services because you are abusers of this elderly man.

2488
03:47:28,240 --> 03:47:34,980
You sit there really with a smirk on your face, most of the meeting, Mr. Sejli. You're not far away from his age.

2489
03:47:34,980 --> 03:47:41,120
I pray for you that the karma that visits you isn't something similar to what you're doing.

2490
03:47:41,360 --> 03:47:48,180
Even the idea that he has to leave his home possibly based on your decision, that's abuse.

2491
03:47:49,260 --> 03:48:00,340
Regardless of what you guys decide to do moving forward, you are abusing a man right now with your position that this is even a possibility.

2492
03:48:00,340 --> 03:48:10,020
This is so far fetched. I can't even believe I'm standing here before you pleading with you, not to kick a man out of his house.

2493
03:48:10,420 --> 03:48:17,460
It's that simple. Stop. You want to talk about time and hurry up and we've got this thing.

2494
03:48:17,900 --> 03:48:22,980
Well, all you got to do is just quit this and we could all go home right now.

2495
03:48:31,850 --> 03:48:36,910
The good evening, thanks for giving us this opportunity to speak.

2496
03:48:38,770 --> 03:48:46,410
I know you have a lot of time and effort invested in these roundabouts, and today I want

2497
03:48:46,410 --> 03:48:50,730
to presentation you've given us three different options for roundabouts.

2498
03:48:51,310 --> 03:48:57,670
What I'm concerned about is this is only option you've given, and I think there's another

2499
03:48:57,670 --> 03:49:01,610
option, and that is intelligent traffic management.

2500
03:49:04,420 --> 03:49:10,560
What this does, it takes, you can actually use your existing traffic lights and reprogram

2501
03:49:10,560 --> 03:49:18,580
with an artificial intelligence to monitor in real time the flow of traffic and the lights

2502
03:49:18,580 --> 03:49:19,820
will make the change.

2503
03:49:22,360 --> 03:49:27,520
I think going this route would be much less disruptive to the whole area.

2504
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:36,520
It would take less time to implement this and there's a good chance to cause a lot less even if there is some maintenance cause.

2505
03:49:38,220 --> 03:49:49,420
And, you know, I would really ask you to consider this option before and give it a pause before you accept the roundabouts.

2506
03:49:49,420 --> 03:49:58,340
And I think in doing so, this was in the midst of all of us, this is actually listening to the community and have a real concern for us.

2507
03:50:10,610 --> 03:50:40,370
Mr. Sedgley, are you okay? I'm just checking on you. Okay. My name is Heather McLaughlin. I'm here for so many reasons tonight. My friend was somebody that worked for historical preservation for many years. Here in Napa, in Florida, in Chicago, and she would want me to be here tonight. Not for the fact that we should save a historical home.

2508
03:50:40,610 --> 03:50:51,050
but for the fact that you are not considering the human, the human being that this is affecting.

2509
03:50:52,350 --> 03:50:57,210
And I think that's obvious by what people have said at all the meetings.

2510
03:50:57,350 --> 03:51:00,510
I think it's obvious by the people that have shown up.

2511
03:51:00,570 --> 03:51:03,890
I think it's obvious by the people that have written in.

2512
03:51:03,890 --> 03:51:09,290
And I understand government works a certain way.

2513
03:51:10,630 --> 03:51:14,930
I also think that humans work a certain way,

2514
03:51:15,410 --> 03:51:19,390
and the impact that this will have for the future

2515
03:51:19,390 --> 03:51:24,490
on children, on the adults that live here,

2516
03:51:24,850 --> 03:51:28,630
but especially for one man, Mr. Rossi,

2517
03:51:28,630 --> 03:51:37,430
and the legacy of His family, and I look around this town and there are things that are

2518
03:51:37,430 --> 03:51:44,590
just gone. That's it. They're gone. I was raised in this valley, and I've been back here

2519
03:51:44,590 --> 03:51:54,590
25 years, and I'll miss that Christmas tree, and I'll miss the lions. So please take a

2520
03:51:54,590 --> 03:51:59,410
and really do listen to us and what we have to say.

2521
03:52:00,150 --> 03:52:01,510
I'm advocating for Charlie.

2522
03:52:02,390 --> 03:52:02,930
Thank you.

2523
03:52:03,230 --> 03:52:03,670
You'll be happy.

2524
03:52:18,420 --> 03:52:18,860
Hi there.

2525
03:52:18,980 --> 03:52:20,000
My name's Christina McDonald.

2526
03:52:20,180 --> 03:52:21,140
I'm a local resident.

2527
03:52:21,560 --> 03:52:23,720
Third generation on my mom's fourth on my dad's.

2528
03:52:24,700 --> 03:52:28,520
I wanted to make sure I came up and represented a generation of Napa.

2529
03:52:28,640 --> 03:52:32,400
It residents that whole heart at least will believe in the community.

2530
03:52:33,600 --> 03:52:38,240
I chose to stay here and put down even deeper roots to make sure that

2531
03:52:38,240 --> 03:52:43,240
of our city was upheld. As an artist in the community I worked diligently with small businesses

2532
03:52:44,100 --> 03:52:53,540
to bring charm back into Napa. It's quite disappointing actually to speak on the behalf of locals

2533
03:52:54,780 --> 03:53:02,720
when the incoming conversation is what happened in Napa. I work over in Sonoma and occasionally

2534
03:53:02,720 --> 03:53:08,680
the locals there are blatantly pretty disrespectful for how we've decided to treat our

2535
03:53:08,680 --> 03:53:15,440
community and we are kind of a joke. So in regards to the way that we uphold the

2536
03:53:15,440 --> 03:53:21,140
important aspects of our spaces, I believe the five way round about could be more

2537
03:53:21,140 --> 03:53:28,680
creatively assessed through better, you know, government action. I believe in the way

2538
03:53:28,680 --> 03:53:35,660
that the Napa bike coalition has instated more traffic control spaces and creative markings on

2539
03:53:35,660 --> 03:53:41,840
the ground, indicate a little bit more safety for all pedestrians and in that utilizing

2540
03:53:41,840 --> 03:53:47,400
a creative management style to create more safety for students, which I know is an issue and

2541
03:53:48,280 --> 03:53:53,820
to also help facilitate the environment to its fullest.

2542
03:53:53,880 --> 03:53:57,720
That intersection has been neglected, and I wonder if it's because this roundabout has

2543
03:53:57,720 --> 03:54:04,780
been in the forefront of the plan and I think that's a real disappointment because the roads

2544
03:54:04,780 --> 03:54:08,880
themselves are garbage. I take that hill every day, I live up in the old tights area,

2545
03:54:09,000 --> 03:54:13,240
I have my whole life and I just feel like this is an opportunity to think more creatively

2546
03:54:13,240 --> 03:54:19,200
and for the people and for younger residents who choose to be here and live here and love it.

2547
03:54:19,320 --> 03:54:20,580
So thank you.

2548
03:54:26,950 --> 03:54:30,650
Do we have Esmeralda Rose Bush still in the room?

2549
03:54:31,250 --> 03:54:35,910
Okay, we do have one last hand raised on Zoom.

2550
03:54:36,710 --> 03:54:37,670
We did.

2551
03:54:37,950 --> 03:54:42,430
I think if you do wish to speak on Zoom, please raise your hand.

2552
03:54:42,830 --> 03:54:44,490
There was a hand and it's gone.

2553
03:54:45,630 --> 03:54:46,650
I got one more.

2554
03:54:47,430 --> 03:54:49,130
Jim Hinton.

2555
03:54:49,370 --> 03:54:54,010
If you want the one on Zoom has put their hand down.

2556
03:54:54,010 --> 03:54:59,980
Jim Hinton, candidate for Napa City Council District 3.

2557
03:55:00,860 --> 03:55:08,860
Now, if this is a democracy, then this project will probably get killed tonight, because all the residents

2558
03:55:08,860 --> 03:55:17,400
in the area that are affected by it are very upset and against it. But if this is an oligarchy, then the

2559
03:55:17,400 --> 03:55:23,420
project will probably move forward. So you'll let us know what kind of government we have after the vote tonight.

2560
03:55:23,420 --> 03:55:30,080
But the real problem is, nobody likes what you did to Brown's value road.

2561
03:55:30,940 --> 03:55:31,180
And you

2562
03:55:33,550 --> 03:55:39,050
can't even recognize you made a mistake and everyone's unhappy and fix it.

2563
03:55:39,270 --> 03:55:42,070
No, you're just pushing forward on Lincoln Avenue.

2564
03:55:42,370 --> 03:55:44,470
You're pushing forward on the roundabout.

2565
03:55:44,830 --> 03:55:48,010
You literally don't care about residents input.

2566
03:55:48,270 --> 03:55:53,030
You just keep raising our taxes, raising our fees, taking our money,

2567
03:55:53,030 --> 03:56:00,110
chopping it up up amongst yourselves running us over now you're taking people's property. You know if I get elected

2568
03:56:00,810 --> 03:56:01,390
I'll

2569
03:56:01,390 --> 03:56:04,310
Get as clever as I can maybe we can

2570
03:56:04,310 --> 03:56:08,210
In a minute domain Sejali's house and see how he likes it.

2571
03:56:17,460 --> 03:56:21,470
I know you want to end this meeting. Okay, the mic's not on. Please spoke

2572
03:56:22,340 --> 03:56:23,500
I'm okay

2573
03:56:23,500 --> 03:56:25,320
Thank you

2574
03:56:25,920 --> 03:56:26,800
Thank you

2575
03:56:33,520 --> 03:56:35,460
Is your intent to disrupt this meeting?

2576
03:56:48,950 --> 03:56:50,710
Thank you

2577
03:56:50,710 --> 03:56:55,590
Thank you. Thank you.

2578
03:56:55,670 --> 03:57:00,630
Sorry. I'm sorry, but my role is trying to maintain order and a meeting.

2579
03:57:01,770 --> 03:57:03,730
That's what they expect me to try to do.

2580
03:57:03,850 --> 03:57:06,590
And that's what I've been trying to do is maintaining order.

2581
03:57:07,670 --> 03:57:09,130
Mayor, we do have one more.

2582
03:57:09,550 --> 03:57:12,630
The caller that had their hand up on Zoom is back.

2583
03:57:12,830 --> 03:57:14,650
So Emily, if you would like to give your comment.

2584
03:57:14,730 --> 03:57:15,650
All right.

2585
03:57:18,920 --> 03:57:20,860
Hi there. Thank you. My name's Emily.

2586
03:57:20,860 --> 03:57:28,600
I just wanted to express my gratitude for everyone that's passionately advocated for Charlie Rossi.

2587
03:57:28,980 --> 03:57:35,620
And I just wanted to bring up the point, the fact that Charlie Rossi himself has not attended this meeting to speak for himself.

2588
03:57:35,740 --> 03:57:38,040
And I'd be very curious to hear what he has to say.

2589
03:57:38,120 --> 03:57:39,860
That's all. Thank you.

2590
03:57:41,440 --> 03:57:41,920
Thank you.

2591
03:57:48,180 --> 03:57:49,320
Okay. That's all you guys.

2592
03:57:49,320 --> 03:57:52,960
How about we got to get back on track here folks.

2593
03:57:52,960 --> 03:57:53,760
It was not cold.

2594
03:57:53,860 --> 03:57:55,140
Did he clerk can we have more cards?

2595
03:57:55,420 --> 03:57:55,560
Yeah.

2596
03:57:55,920 --> 03:57:56,740
I have no more cards.

2597
03:57:57,000 --> 03:57:57,800
But you have no more cards.

2598
03:57:58,080 --> 03:58:01,720
Is there anyone left in the audience that wants to speak that has not already spoken?

2599
03:58:02,340 --> 03:58:02,520
Yes.

2600
03:58:02,840 --> 03:58:03,040
I do.

2601
03:58:04,100 --> 03:58:06,120
I don't understand when my card was in full moon.

2602
03:58:06,260 --> 03:58:07,260
My daughter went up and spoke.

2603
03:58:07,380 --> 03:58:08,380
And he called my husband same.

2604
03:58:08,520 --> 03:58:10,000
So I'd like to know what my card went.

2605
03:58:10,520 --> 03:58:11,040
I am talking.

2606
03:58:11,900 --> 03:58:12,060
Already.

2607
03:58:12,320 --> 03:58:12,660
Thank you.

2608
03:58:12,860 --> 03:58:13,440
Don't interrupt me.

2609
03:58:13,580 --> 03:58:13,940
I didn't interrupt.

2610
03:58:14,100 --> 03:58:15,680
If you can state your name, I can.

2611
03:58:15,700 --> 03:58:16,040
Yes.

2612
03:58:16,100 --> 03:58:18,560
My name is Ori Gracie.

2613
03:58:19,120 --> 03:58:20,000
It's not on.

2614
03:58:20,820 --> 03:58:21,740
It's on the mic.

2615
03:58:22,160 --> 03:58:22,440
So.

2616
03:58:23,240 --> 03:58:25,380
My name is Ori, Gracie.

2617
03:58:26,680 --> 03:58:30,560
I've lived in Alteyes for 13 years, and I have children who have gone to the school

2618
03:58:30,560 --> 03:58:32,140
Alteyes and Silverado Trail.

2619
03:58:32,780 --> 03:58:36,640
I go through the five-way intersection multiple times a day, and what I see are mass amounts

2620
03:58:36,640 --> 03:58:41,500
of big rigs and work vehicles, which I think could use alternate routes.

2621
03:58:42,820 --> 03:58:47,720
If you change the section of Silverado Trail to a road and not a highway, it would lower

2622
03:58:47,720 --> 03:58:53,360
and made it blower the gross vehicle weight and reroute the big rigs through

2623
03:58:53,360 --> 03:58:58,640
sawscle and trinkets. This would ease up a lot of the traffic in the area and

2624
03:58:58,640 --> 03:59:05,700
which then we wouldn't need roundabouts. You talk about pedestrian concerns at the

2625
03:59:05,700 --> 03:59:12,480
five way, but what about the rest of the trail? What about Cum'sville? East Avenue and

2626
03:59:12,480 --> 03:59:16,740
also third street. There are sections with no sidewalks or ones without need

2627
03:59:16,740 --> 03:59:23,060
massive repairs and the lack of bike lanes on those stated roads need to be implemented

2628
03:59:23,760 --> 03:59:26,060
sections leading up to silver auto middle school

2629
03:59:27,520 --> 03:59:32,120
They're like I said there's no sidewalks they're at all and also like my daughter

2630
03:59:32,120 --> 03:59:33,780
had mentioned there's also no bike

2631
03:59:34,700 --> 03:59:42,520
way for the kids getting to and from school on those sections so really that's the issue not necessarily the five way

2632
03:59:42,520 --> 03:59:52,560
I don't understand how you say that the 10 seconds that you mentioned would save time

2633
03:59:52,560 --> 03:59:57,660
just through around about it's 10 seconds for a man's home.

2634
03:59:58,000 --> 03:59:59,980
I don't think that is something like that.

2635
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:12,880
You guys should be doing. I don't think taking a man's home will fix the issues. At all, I urge you to fix the surrounding streets and provide adequate routes for the pedestrians and do not take the man's home for a roundabout.

2636
04:00:22,440 --> 04:00:29,980
Basically, I guess my name is Sharon Miller-Wittington, and I live on the other side of town, but I drive on this side of town all the time.

2637
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:34,940
But what I've listened to all through the thing, it sounds like it just needs to have the

2638
04:00:34,940 --> 04:00:40,520
roads where you fix, put sidewalks and fix the things around there, it's said it's

2639
04:00:40,520 --> 04:00:43,960
spending 27 million dollars to have something that nobody wants.

2640
04:00:44,700 --> 04:00:48,440
I really think that's all I've really heard all night is the only thing that needs to be done

2641
04:00:48,440 --> 04:00:52,060
is to have it fixed, have it, you know, where it's safe for the children.

2642
04:00:52,700 --> 04:00:53,520
So that's all.

2643
04:00:53,800 --> 04:00:54,500
Thank you.

2644
04:00:56,490 --> 04:00:56,910
Thank you.

2645
04:01:04,190 --> 04:01:05,150
Thank you.

2646
04:01:05,150 --> 04:01:13,490
heights, and I just want to be very brief, years ago I learned from a very wise philosopher.

2647
04:01:14,930 --> 04:01:23,490
This wisdom that I would like to express tonight, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

2648
04:01:28,160 --> 04:01:33,080
Also, there are many streets in Napa that need repairing.

2649
04:01:33,080 --> 04:01:39,040
I don't know if the money is coming from the state or what it's doing, but that's what I think the council

2650
04:01:39,040 --> 04:01:45,500
with the people would very much more appreciate this council if you repaired those streets.

2651
04:01:46,180 --> 04:01:46,920
Thank you.

2652
04:01:53,360 --> 04:01:54,600
Hi, my name's Lori George.

2653
04:01:54,600 --> 04:01:58,680
I'm a teacher and a parent here in Napa for the last 30 years.

2654
04:01:59,380 --> 04:02:06,640
I just wanted to state that anyone who was cut off earlier because they prepared for three minutes speaking

2655
04:02:06,640 --> 04:02:12,080
and we're told it was going to be two minutes based on the number of people who showed up at this meeting,

2656
04:02:12,640 --> 04:02:19,820
which I think is unethical, personally. And I thank you, though. I do thank you, council and mayor,

2657
04:02:20,160 --> 04:02:25,340
said, for allowing us to go past, I'm two minutes past the nine o'clock you gave us until.

2658
04:02:26,700 --> 04:02:32,560
But anyone who didn't get to finish saying what they wanted to say, please seek me out after this meeting,

2659
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:42,020
Tomorrow, I would like to post any local government on a local government page offering people the chance to post the rest of their thoughts.

2660
04:02:42,400 --> 04:02:54,500
I do believe the way some of the people were cut off and the reaction to some of the clapping or the bullying that took place was very unprofessional.

2661
04:02:54,760 --> 04:02:58,380
And I'm very surprised by the gentleman that I voted for.

2662
04:03:08,430 --> 04:03:09,190
All right, sir.

2663
04:03:09,350 --> 04:03:09,970
Clerk, we there?

2664
04:03:10,210 --> 04:03:13,150
I have no additional cards, Mayor, and we have no hands, please.

2665
04:03:13,190 --> 04:03:14,230
No hands, no cards.

2666
04:03:14,690 --> 04:03:15,370
All right.

2667
04:03:15,370 --> 04:03:19,510
I think we made it to our bench mark, what we were trying to do.

2668
04:03:19,610 --> 04:03:25,370
So thank you all for your participation, and thank you for your respect and consideration

2669
04:03:25,370 --> 04:03:31,110
of each other and the council that does this job.

2670
04:03:31,410 --> 04:03:35,170
I know all of the council does this job in the interest of our community.

2671
04:03:35,170 --> 04:03:39,130
And so to be told to hold otherwise is just simply not true.

2672
04:03:39,750 --> 04:03:42,030
So I can share that. So Council, I don't know.

2673
04:03:42,850 --> 04:03:47,350
We'll start back with the, it's close to public hearing.

2674
04:03:47,530 --> 04:03:48,710
Need a motion, close to public hearing.

2675
04:03:48,710 --> 04:03:50,510
Make a motion, close to the public hearing.

2676
04:03:50,950 --> 04:03:52,670
That motion by vice mayor.

2677
04:03:52,810 --> 04:03:53,610
Dean Antali.

2678
04:03:54,170 --> 04:03:55,730
A second by council member.

2679
04:03:55,850 --> 04:03:56,570
Senator vice.

2680
04:03:57,670 --> 04:03:57,950
Honour and favor.

2681
04:03:58,930 --> 04:03:58,950
Aye.

2682
04:03:59,730 --> 04:04:00,130
Here's.

2683
04:04:00,150 --> 04:04:01,050
Thank you.

2684
04:04:01,210 --> 04:04:02,930
Public testimony is closed, but stick around.

2685
04:04:02,930 --> 04:04:04,810
that this the good part is going to come next.

2686
04:04:04,970 --> 04:04:07,270
So we're going to talk about what we heard.

2687
04:04:08,350 --> 04:04:10,470
And if you don't mind, Council, I'll just have a few.

2688
04:04:10,590 --> 04:04:12,690
There was a couple of questions that came out

2689
04:04:12,690 --> 04:04:15,270
in a couple of probably clarifications

2690
04:04:15,270 --> 04:04:16,310
that I should make.

2691
04:04:16,430 --> 04:04:20,970
There was a lot of discussion that evolved around the city.

2692
04:04:21,290 --> 04:04:26,740
This project is taking Mr. Rossi's home.

2693
04:04:27,220 --> 04:04:29,460
There's no interest in taking any home.

2694
04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:33,220
It's part of capital improvement, and there's negotiations,

2695
04:04:33,220 --> 04:04:37,880
And there's solutions, you work towards, you work with the property owner, property acquisition.

2696
04:04:38,600 --> 04:04:42,120
It's not simply knocking on somebody's door and say, we're going to take your house tomorrow.

2697
04:04:42,880 --> 04:04:48,240
I've worked with other agencies that do property acquisitions for public benefit projects.

2698
04:04:48,700 --> 04:04:52,960
And it's an negotiated arrangement to be fair to all.

2699
04:04:53,520 --> 04:04:58,260
And as one business owner in the area pointed out, it's just once,

2700
04:04:58,260 --> 04:04:59,980
So the insurance is that the company...

2701
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:13,980
The compensation is just in fear for any property acquisition that may happen. And yes, it does. And generally, it comes out higher than the appraised value of the property. And the experience that I've seen.

2702
04:05:14,360 --> 04:05:28,240
But that doesn't create the problem of if Mr. Rossi does not want to negotiate. That's his choice. But the imminent domain has not been brought up by this council or staff. It's just part of the process.

2703
04:05:28,240 --> 04:05:32,640
So just to make that clear, it's an associated arrangement

2704
04:05:32,640 --> 04:05:34,140
with a property owner.

2705
04:05:34,760 --> 04:05:35,360
That's what it means.

2706
04:05:35,720 --> 04:05:36,860
And so

2707
04:05:38,910 --> 04:05:42,270
there was a question about on the beacons,

2708
04:05:42,550 --> 04:05:45,090
there'll be beacons at the pedestrian crosswalks

2709
04:05:45,090 --> 04:05:47,870
at this roundabout, like the other roundabouts we have.

2710
04:05:48,530 --> 04:05:50,530
Yeah, so there was a comment about it.

2711
04:05:50,630 --> 04:05:51,730
It's not gonna make it any safer

2712
04:05:51,730 --> 04:05:52,810
because they gotta get across,

2713
04:05:52,950 --> 04:05:55,370
but those flashing beacons really work.

2714
04:05:56,170 --> 04:05:58,150
I've been in this town my whole life

2715
04:05:58,150 --> 04:06:03,170
And when the beacon goes off, I'm paying attention, I slow down.

2716
04:06:03,330 --> 04:06:06,350
I don't run yellow lights, but the beacons would be on that

2717
04:06:06,350 --> 04:06:08,870
two for the pedestrian safety. So what to make sure that was clear?

2718
04:06:12,270 --> 04:06:14,750
One question that came up on level of service.

2719
04:06:15,810 --> 04:06:19,870
When the project is done, I guess we would expect the level of service

2720
04:06:19,870 --> 04:06:20,930
goes up immediately.

2721
04:06:23,400 --> 04:06:26,660
As soon as construction is over, yes, that's anticipated.

2722
04:06:26,660 --> 04:06:35,880
And then in the report is showed that over time it could degrade on down third street and other things but over decade.

2723
04:06:36,440 --> 04:06:55,260
With the existing or with the proposed alternative, the level of service does stay at an A through the out years and we did look at 20 years out. So 2046 was the out year where the level of service was still A and I think a B at one approach which is still considered acceptable.

2724
04:06:55,800 --> 04:06:56,240
Okay.

2725
04:07:00,460 --> 04:07:07,000
And then I'll just, as the tutorialized a little bit, I grew up here, as I said,

2726
04:07:07,540 --> 04:07:14,100
in highway 29, I went down I'm all avenue. That's it came up around Stuart's curve and went down.

2727
04:07:14,120 --> 04:07:22,380
I'm all avenue to hit what's now to 21. So when, when 29 was constructed, I think as one of the speakers said,

2728
04:07:22,380 --> 04:07:25,400
Maybe even one of the Rossi families lost some property for 29.

2729
04:07:25,520 --> 04:07:31,840
Well, a lot of people lost some property on 29 when the two lanes was created because it was just a two-lane road.

2730
04:07:32,460 --> 04:07:38,820
So I watched that was probably the first project I watched as a young boy building those overpasses.

2731
04:07:39,020 --> 04:07:43,980
I'm old, old Sonoma Road, Furst Lincoln, those were pretty big projects.

2732
04:07:45,140 --> 04:07:51,420
And so the next one was the interesting was the Southern Crossing that connected now 29 to 21.

2733
04:07:51,420 --> 04:07:58,120
And that was a huge public works project that took some farmland and wetlands for the

2734
04:07:58,120 --> 04:08:03,240
the betterment of traffic circulation and, you know, for the community to get

2735
04:08:03,240 --> 04:08:09,960
the highway off of I'mole Avenue. Redwood Road and Trangus was an element, a big deal

2736
04:08:09,960 --> 04:08:15,320
that affected some property owners, but in the interest of improving safety and circulation

2737
04:08:15,320 --> 04:08:19,280
and moving commerce and moving people, those were those projects were done.

2738
04:08:19,280 --> 04:08:23,720
And the last one for Council, I can't forget is the Linda Vista Bridge.

2739
04:08:24,640 --> 04:08:29,660
You know, the city built a fire station on Browns Valley Road to sort of Browns Valley

2740
04:08:29,660 --> 04:08:34,120
and also sort of the West Park neighborhood with the intention of building a small bridge

2741
04:08:34,120 --> 04:08:35,560
across the creek right there.

2742
04:08:36,220 --> 04:08:38,040
That's why that station is there.

2743
04:08:38,560 --> 04:08:44,760
But at the time, the Council decided I was in the minority, I lost, because I retired

2744
04:08:44,760 --> 04:08:49,740
firefighter from the city of Napa and I knew what response times mean and that bridge was

2745
04:08:49,740 --> 04:08:55,120
critically important for that neighborhood plus school kids to get to West Park School because

2746
04:08:55,120 --> 04:08:58,320
all those kids on the south side of the creek can't get to that school so they either go

2747
04:08:58,320 --> 04:09:04,300
at Brown's Valley School where they go to NVL-A. But I lost out when it was similar that the people

2748
04:09:04,300 --> 04:09:09,320
in the neighborhood just simply did not want it. It didn't matter that it was going to increase safety

2749
04:09:09,320 --> 04:09:13,940
or pedestrian or school anything and it just didn't want the change and I understand that

2750
04:09:13,940 --> 04:09:21,000
I understand change, so this is where the council, we had, we get our time too, so I will move over to council members or else.

2751
04:09:22,260 --> 04:09:24,640
I have some questions, I have a lot of questions.

2752
04:09:25,380 --> 04:09:29,820
There was something that came up during public comment that I want to make sure get answered, because I thought they were really good questions.

2753
04:09:30,540 --> 04:09:35,660
The issue came over, the question came up about, can we reroute the highway over to South Skull?

2754
04:09:39,690 --> 04:09:42,210
Yeah, thanks for asking that.

2755
04:09:42,210 --> 04:09:47,870
Actually, the answer is no, we can't reroute all of the highway and the traffic over to

2756
04:09:47,870 --> 04:09:48,670
South School.

2757
04:09:49,090 --> 04:09:53,830
South School is not built for that level of additional traffic and we would have similar issues

2758
04:09:53,830 --> 04:09:56,850
there if 121 were to be rerouted.

2759
04:09:57,690 --> 04:09:59,970
And then I follow up to, I have a lot of questions, so just hang on.

2760
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:06,680
On, it came up, I think, or he asked, can we lower the gross vehicle weight and re-out large vehicles through

2761
04:10:06,680 --> 04:10:14,420
the law school? Again, that would be something that we would have to look at, but the immediate

2762
04:10:14,420 --> 04:10:21,200
response would be no, we can't, we can't do that. We need to keep the track vehicles on the

2763
04:10:21,200 --> 04:10:28,680
crucial corridors and make sure that the 121 is still carrying those vehicles. And then it came up a

2764
04:10:28,680 --> 04:10:34,940
Several times, questions about paving, putting in sidewalks, is that part of this project

2765
04:10:34,940 --> 04:10:39,880
specifically, I'm thinking about rooms available between this intersection to Silverado

2766
04:10:39,880 --> 04:10:40,480
Middle School.

2767
04:10:41,520 --> 04:10:43,720
That's not part of this particular project.

2768
04:10:43,760 --> 04:10:46,140
We do have a separate capital improvement project.

2769
04:10:46,220 --> 04:10:52,340
We're working on design right now to install a sidewalk and improve bike lanes from the end

2770
04:10:52,340 --> 04:10:55,960
of this project at the intersection all the way to the eastern city limits.

2771
04:10:55,960 --> 04:10:58,020
And that that's getting paved.

2772
04:10:58,080 --> 04:11:00,140
It will also be paved when that happens.

2773
04:11:01,440 --> 04:11:05,000
And then I wasn't on the council in 2017 when this alternative was selective.

2774
04:11:05,160 --> 04:11:09,080
So I have a lot of questions just kind of about how we got here in specific.

2775
04:11:10,040 --> 04:11:14,180
So it was mentioned about the intelligent traffic management system being an option

2776
04:11:14,180 --> 04:11:17,360
and you had talked about signal timing changing years ago.

2777
04:11:17,660 --> 04:11:21,140
Is that something that has been evaluated as part of this

2778
04:11:21,140 --> 04:11:24,240
just looking at the safety and the operational deficiencies in the intersection?

2779
04:11:24,240 --> 04:11:27,120
have we looked at that as an option?

2780
04:11:28,000 --> 04:11:32,520
Signal improvements were looked at at looked at as an option during those earlier phases.

2781
04:11:33,480 --> 04:11:41,340
2014 through 2016-2017. Signal improvements are not able to handle the amount of traffic

2782
04:11:41,340 --> 04:11:47,500
at this intersection. Significant backup since safety concerns would still remain.

2783
04:11:48,340 --> 04:11:53,340
Those intersections are excuse me the signal upgrades there were some minor tweaks that were made

2784
04:11:53,340 --> 04:11:58,500
And I think it was 2016 that just did not address the delay issues that we're experiencing.

2785
04:11:59,860 --> 04:12:04,140
And then specifically, what is it that roundabouts could accomplish that signal timing

2786
04:12:04,140 --> 04:12:05,100
couldn't?

2787
04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:08,640
That's a good question.

2788
04:12:10,080 --> 04:12:15,440
The roundabout fundamentally changes the intersection, allowing traffic to move more smoothly.

2789
04:12:16,060 --> 04:12:21,240
Signals require, especially if this five-way intersection requires that only one approach

2790
04:12:21,240 --> 04:12:26,180
many cases can go at a time where around about changes that allowing multiple

2791
04:12:26,180 --> 04:12:30,580
movements to happen all at the same time and allowing flow to be more

2792
04:12:30,580 --> 04:12:30,960
efficient.

2793
04:12:32,040 --> 04:12:35,500
Okay, and then just kind of shifting gears for a second, looking at

2794
04:12:35,500 --> 04:12:39,440
about whether or not the house can be saved as part of this, you mentioned that

2795
04:12:39,440 --> 04:12:41,300
it's infeasible to move the house.

2796
04:12:41,340 --> 04:12:45,440
And I've heard that come up a few times, explain what you mean by

2797
04:12:45,440 --> 04:12:46,100
infeasible.

2798
04:12:46,260 --> 04:12:50,260
Does that mean it is impossible or is it expensive or a combination

2799
04:12:50,260 --> 04:12:59,560
about. I would say first it would be extremely costly to do that. It is a concrete or a

2800
04:12:59,560 --> 04:13:05,860
basalite block house. It's very heavy. You would not be able to simply pick it up and move it

2801
04:13:05,860 --> 04:13:14,400
like you can a wood frame house. If the home did need to be moved it would need to be dismantled

2802
04:13:14,400 --> 04:13:20,880
block by block and reassembled which would be very costly and the home would not be exactly the same

2803
04:13:20,880 --> 04:13:23,040
when it was put back together in a new location.

2804
04:13:23,500 --> 04:13:24,500
Why is that?

2805
04:13:24,940 --> 04:13:28,600
It would lose some character of the house

2806
04:13:28,600 --> 04:13:30,680
when taking a part the home.

2807
04:13:30,680 --> 04:13:32,780
It's possible that blocks could be damaged

2808
04:13:33,500 --> 04:13:34,940
and would need to be replaced.

2809
04:13:35,200 --> 04:13:37,360
And so there would be new pieces that would be required.

2810
04:13:37,540 --> 04:13:39,560
The mortar in between the blocks would be new.

2811
04:13:40,880 --> 04:13:42,940
And so pieces of it would be newer.

2812
04:13:43,020 --> 04:13:45,620
It would not be exactly the same house that it is now.

2813
04:13:45,900 --> 04:13:46,540
All right, thank you.

2814
04:13:46,580 --> 04:13:47,040
I appreciate that.

2815
04:13:47,540 --> 04:13:49,720
You know, looking at attachment for in the map,

2816
04:13:49,720 --> 04:13:54,020
It looks like the proposed travel lane goes right through the house.

2817
04:13:54,760 --> 04:13:56,660
So I've been trying to figure out, you know,

2818
04:13:56,860 --> 04:14:00,400
understanding the current design, does the house actually have to be removed?

2819
04:14:00,560 --> 04:14:02,980
Is there any way that that is unavoidable?

2820
04:14:04,620 --> 04:14:06,320
So I'm not an engineer.

2821
04:14:06,520 --> 04:14:09,820
How far would the roadway have to shift to miss the house?

2822
04:14:09,880 --> 04:14:13,360
Are we talking a few feet, 10 feet, 20 feet?

2823
04:14:13,780 --> 04:14:19,600
And have you looked specifically at modifying the 5F alternative itself to do that?

2824
04:14:20,320 --> 04:14:30,500
In the early iterations, there were numerous, during the early years of study, there were numerous iterations of different roundabouts that could be shifted.

2825
04:14:30,640 --> 04:14:35,600
This is the one, this is the option that was landed on that there really had the least impacts.

2826
04:14:36,580 --> 04:14:43,460
You could see an option 8. It's a very similar configuration, but requires a lot more property acquisition.

2827
04:14:43,460 --> 04:14:46,060
And so could there round about be shifted a bit, it can.

2828
04:14:46,120 --> 04:14:49,280
It will have additional impacts to the other properties that are nearby.

2829
04:14:50,420 --> 04:14:50,580
Yeah.

2830
04:14:50,980 --> 04:14:54,220
And just to be clear, I'm not asking to go back to Alternative 6 or Alternative 8.

2831
04:14:54,440 --> 04:14:56,460
I understand how the council got there.

2832
04:14:56,800 --> 04:14:59,960
I'm just wondering if we could keep the 5F design but make...

2833
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,980
Localised changes, you know, shifting the roadway, changing the curve of the radius, adjusting the round about geometry, something similar to try to preserve the house. And I think we haven't gone about it with that intention of preserving the house. We've looked at kind of all the options. And I just want to kind of know, I want to hear from you, I know I'm kind of harping on the same thing, but in your professional engineering judgment is there no reasonable modification to 5F that could preserve the house or do we know at this point?

2834
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:31,440
based on what we've looked at.

2835
04:15:31,680 --> 04:15:32,080
Yeah, thank you.

2836
04:15:32,100 --> 04:15:36,600
There really is not, not without impacting other properties

2837
04:15:36,600 --> 04:15:40,780
and also meeting design standards that we have to meet

2838
04:15:40,780 --> 04:15:42,800
because it is a culture and intersection.

2839
04:15:43,220 --> 04:15:46,260
We need to make sure that we can continue to have the same

2840
04:15:46,260 --> 04:15:48,280
types of vehicles traveled through safely,

2841
04:15:48,740 --> 04:15:51,780
that requires the geometry that we're seeing right now.

2842
04:15:53,820 --> 04:15:56,320
Assuming that there may still be something worth exploring

2843
04:15:56,320 --> 04:15:58,260
during the final design, I want to understand

2844
04:15:58,260 --> 04:16:04,520
what options we have tonight to allow the project to keep moving without making demolition

2845
04:16:04,520 --> 04:16:08,260
of the House of Oregon conclusion, and maybe this is more of a question for our attorney.

2846
04:16:09,480 --> 04:16:15,560
But is there a way for us to, you know, approve this alternative subject to a condition

2847
04:16:15,560 --> 04:16:22,080
that staff pursues preservation of 801 Silverado during the final design and come back to us

2848
04:16:22,080 --> 04:16:26,180
before we acquire the parcel and move forward in that way?

2849
04:16:29,250 --> 04:16:31,990
there also it's with best best and

2850
04:16:31,990 --> 04:16:36,590
Krieger. Is this on? Yes, okay, great. So I'm gonna try to cover

2851
04:16:36,590 --> 04:16:40,830
I think I caught all of your questions, but let me know if I don't

2852
04:16:40,830 --> 04:16:46,390
catch all of it. The answer is that nothing you would be

2853
04:16:46,390 --> 04:16:57,410
approving tonight would mandate the acquisition of the property that

2854
04:16:57,410 --> 04:17:03,710
That's still something that would have to be either negotiated or approved in some other

2855
04:17:03,710 --> 04:17:04,510
way in the future.

2856
04:17:04,770 --> 04:17:08,970
And I'm not, it's not actually clear to me that that would even be done by the city of

2857
04:17:08,970 --> 04:17:09,210
Napa.

2858
04:17:09,450 --> 04:17:11,010
It might be done by CalTrans.

2859
04:17:11,850 --> 04:17:14,430
But we'll set that aside and just talk about what you're doing tonight.

2860
04:17:15,490 --> 04:17:20,450
So what you're doing tonight is essentially creating what I think of it as from a

2861
04:17:20,450 --> 04:17:21,710
secret perspective of balloon.

2862
04:17:21,770 --> 04:17:23,390
These are the maximum impacts.

2863
04:17:23,390 --> 04:17:31,370
And we think these, if everything happened, we think the benefits of this project going forward

2864
04:17:31,370 --> 04:17:37,030
at way everything potentially happening that we are discussing in this EIR.

2865
04:17:37,930 --> 04:17:44,680
And we agree that we want to enter into a memorandum agreement as organized with the State

2866
04:17:44,680 --> 04:17:53,640
preservation officer and CalTrans and Napa Landmarks to undertake the historic resource protection measures,

2867
04:17:53,820 --> 04:17:56,100
the Mr. President outlined.

2868
04:17:56,680 --> 04:17:57,460
So that's the next thing.

2869
04:17:57,500 --> 04:18:04,000
And then also an amendment to the cooperative agreement that with CalTrans to continue design of the project,

2870
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:05,880
moving it toward final design.

2871
04:18:06,280 --> 04:18:11,760
So then I think we get to the last part of your question, which is whether you could certify the EIR,

2872
04:18:11,760 --> 04:18:15,720
approve the project to approve the MOU, approve the amendment to the cooperative agreement.

2873
04:18:16,660 --> 04:18:24,280
But conditions somehow, I guess the amendment to the cooperative agreement, to try to pursue

2874
04:18:24,280 --> 04:18:32,520
a variation of option F that would preserve the home, or I don't know, but Barbie do that.

2875
04:18:32,600 --> 04:18:34,500
You might want a different slightly different condition,

2876
04:18:36,860 --> 04:18:40,260
and but the question would be if the

2877
04:18:40,260 --> 04:18:43,700
determination in final design was that the House was not

2878
04:18:43,700 --> 04:18:47,600
preservable based on the standards that were just articulated

2879
04:18:47,600 --> 04:18:51,580
with that what how would the condition be written and I'm going to

2880
04:18:51,580 --> 04:18:57,700
actually now flop this over to the city staff to ask whether and I'm

2881
04:18:57,700 --> 04:19:01,300
not an expert in the parameters of the

2882
04:19:01,300 --> 04:19:05,060
cooperative agreement with Calthrands would they accept because there is

2883
04:19:05,060 --> 04:19:08,780
funding involved a lot of funding would they accept a condition like this

2884
04:19:13,820 --> 04:19:18,100
I don't think it's an issue of the cooperative agreement with

2885
04:19:18,100 --> 04:19:18,780
CalTrans.

2886
04:19:19,300 --> 04:19:22,680
I think the question at hand is whether or not the roadway could be

2887
04:19:22,680 --> 04:19:25,060
realigned in a way that would miss the house.

2888
04:19:26,560 --> 04:19:30,500
And we looked at that and had determined that it could not.

2889
04:19:31,360 --> 04:19:37,280
And if we were to realign the roadway so the roundabout was placed in a

2890
04:19:37,280 --> 04:19:41,500
different position so it didn't impact the Rossi property, it would be a

2891
04:19:41,500 --> 04:19:45,700
from project. It would be a different design. It would have different environmental impacts,

2892
04:19:46,260 --> 04:19:49,120
and this environmental impact report would no longer be the hell.

2893
04:19:49,540 --> 04:19:53,040
Yeah, that's I appreciate hearing that because that's really the question what I'm getting to

2894
04:19:53,040 --> 04:19:59,820
is would we have to redo the EIR if we moved it over a couple feet or is that yeah and I I want to be clear.

2895
04:20:00,080 --> 04:20:16,960
A brand new project is not what you're asking about, nor was it what I was talking about. Not at all. Not talking about a new AIR. If you certify the AIR tonight, that would be the maximum impact. Anything else would be less, I think, is what you're asking. Could they look at something less.

2896
04:20:16,960 --> 04:20:28,000
And if that redesign had other impacts to get to the less that you're concerned about with regard to Mr. Rossi's house,

2897
04:20:28,380 --> 04:20:39,640
I was actually not asking whether it, I was only asking whether Caltrans would even be willing to continue the process of refining the structure of the project.

2898
04:20:39,640 --> 04:20:51,320
I think counter-trans would be willing to make minor adjustments in the project, but as the council woman mentioned, the roadway goes pretty much right through the house.

2899
04:20:52,000 --> 04:20:55,720
So moving it a few feet is not going to solve the problem.

2900
04:20:55,880 --> 04:21:04,500
So then I think that kind of gives you then your binary, which is you can ask them to consider a design that protects some more of the property.

2901
04:21:04,500 --> 04:21:10,080
because remember the Rossi property is actually two structures. I believe 81 Silverado is two structures.

2902
04:21:10,560 --> 04:21:14,740
There are two structures. One of the homes belonging to the Rossi

2903
04:21:14,740 --> 04:21:19,180
Rossi family is renting on Whereas. And that will remain. That will remain.

2904
04:21:19,620 --> 04:21:23,100
I think we'll you talk about two different things. There's two parcels. This particular

2905
04:21:23,100 --> 04:21:27,820
parcel has two buildings on it. The red barn and the house. The red barn is actually

2906
04:21:27,820 --> 04:21:36,680
on the personal with the home for a team or as okay yeah so those are not proposed so

2907
04:21:36,680 --> 04:21:40,440
I mean they could probably protect a little bit more of the property they probably couldn't

2908
04:21:40,440 --> 04:21:47,980
protect the home and still have this design okay if we looking at the three options could we

2909
04:21:47,980 --> 04:21:57,800
move forward with the CalTrans Cooperative Agreement and not certify the AR tonight you can do the

2910
04:21:57,800 --> 04:22:03,920
won't move the project forward per se because you still have to do the EIR and the MLA and all

2911
04:22:03,920 --> 04:22:06,340
that stuff. You could have been the cooperative agreement tonight, yes.

2912
04:22:07,840 --> 04:22:13,280
If we had to redo the EIR, what kind of delay would we be talking about?

2913
04:22:14,320 --> 04:22:23,520
Well, you mean a new project? Same amount of time. I would assume it took maybe a slightly better

2914
04:22:23,520 --> 04:22:27,700
but otherwise, I would just conservatively seem to take the same amount of time.

2915
04:22:28,340 --> 04:22:29,980
Again, 2017.

2916
04:22:30,440 --> 04:22:33,620
Yeah, that's what I've 12 years as a long time, our nine years.

2917
04:22:34,500 --> 04:22:40,500
I mean, my first priority is to preserve the house even if it means a small delay to explore

2918
04:22:40,500 --> 04:22:45,420
options and answer questions, and that's kind of why I'm asking about this train of questions,

2919
04:22:45,960 --> 04:22:48,800
is can we still move forward and still explore options?

2920
04:22:49,640 --> 04:22:54,400
If there's really no feasible way to build this and preserve the house, then I also

2921
04:22:54,400 --> 04:22:57,760
want to understand what happens to Charlie, so I have some questions about that.

2922
04:22:59,040 --> 04:23:03,220
When would the city actually need possession of 801 Silverado?

2923
04:23:04,860 --> 04:23:12,120
We wouldn't need possession of 801 Silverado Trail until we's advertised the construction

2924
04:23:12,120 --> 04:23:21,480
contract. So in order to what CalTrans calls ready to list, the project for Advertisement,

2925
04:23:22,060 --> 04:23:27,780
it needs to show that it has possession of all of the properties. It wouldn't need to demolish

2926
04:23:27,780 --> 04:23:36,080
the house before then, and Mr. Rossi could live in it as long as possible as a condition

2927
04:23:38,880 --> 04:23:43,040
So if you could potentially like lease back the property or otherwise stay in the property,

2928
04:23:43,240 --> 04:23:44,620
even if we acquired it.

2929
04:23:44,940 --> 04:23:45,200
Absolutely.

2930
04:23:45,500 --> 04:23:51,820
We could include demolition as part of the construction cop contract and not demolished

2931
04:23:51,820 --> 04:23:54,940
the house until the construction contract began.

2932
04:23:56,060 --> 04:23:59,740
And then I think it would be helpful for us all to just kind of know a little bit more about what

2933
04:23:59,740 --> 04:24:01,580
the property acquisition would look like.

2934
04:24:01,840 --> 04:24:02,920
Would we be negotiating that?

2935
04:24:02,920 --> 04:24:08,340
how transmitting and negotiating that. Beyond the purchase price and I think relocation benefits

2936
04:24:08,340 --> 04:24:13,940
were mentioned, what flexibility do we have to negotiate and agreement if it's our negotiation?

2937
04:24:15,940 --> 04:24:19,920
What flexibility do we have to make sure that Charlie is made whole and that he's treated

2938
04:24:19,920 --> 04:24:28,120
fairly? So the state of California has pretty strict laws on property acquisition for public projects.

2939
04:24:29,620 --> 04:24:32,460
We have to make doopraisals.

2940
04:24:33,160 --> 04:24:37,960
We have to map the property, a prison, and make an offer

2941
04:24:37,960 --> 04:24:41,420
of fair market value for the property.

2942
04:24:42,740 --> 04:24:44,920
Right now we're in negotiations with Caltrans

2943
04:24:44,920 --> 04:24:48,200
in terms of who actually will lead the right away

2944
04:24:48,200 --> 04:24:49,760
phase of the project.

2945
04:24:50,560 --> 04:24:53,580
Right now it appears that the city is going to be leading

2946
04:24:53,580 --> 04:24:55,880
the right away phase of the project.

2947
04:24:55,880 --> 04:24:59,980
We have a consultant on board prepared to start.

2948
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:07,960
Our depraisals and make offers. We've met with the Rossi family. They thought we were going to be making

2949
04:25:07,960 --> 04:25:13,820
them an offer. We had to explain to them that we can't make an offer until we certify the environmental

2950
04:25:13,820 --> 04:25:21,520
impact report. So, they seem to be willing to talk to us and negotiate and want to be treated

2951
04:25:21,520 --> 04:25:22,060
fairly.

2952
04:25:24,460 --> 04:25:33,960
We would offer relocation assistance, help Mr. Rossi locate, you know, find a new home,

2953
04:25:36,000 --> 04:25:45,420
pack his possessions, move him, and, you know, ensure his safety and well-being during the entire process.

2954
04:25:48,140 --> 04:25:55,320
It's a pretty comprehensive and effective way of protecting individual rights.

2955
04:25:56,280 --> 04:26:02,760
I'm going to do main laws in this country and the state changed quite a bit several years ago.

2956
04:26:05,540 --> 04:26:13,800
When we make an offer to them, we also have to pay them to hire their own appraisals,

2957
04:26:13,800 --> 04:26:19,740
So they can independently, you know, look at value, and there is a negotiation that takes place.

2958
04:26:20,580 --> 04:26:29,480
If the council was to take action today to certify the EIR, it doesn't mean that we have

2959
04:26:29,480 --> 04:26:35,000
immediately have the ability to take his house as people have been saying.

2960
04:26:35,420 --> 04:26:37,720
There's a process that needs to be followed.

2961
04:26:37,720 --> 04:26:46,000
And if Mr. Rossi did not want to negotiate and sell his house, then we could exercise

2962
04:26:46,000 --> 04:26:51,680
eminent domain, but that's another process that requires approval by a government body.

2963
04:26:51,840 --> 04:26:57,280
You have to prove that it's in the best interest of the public at the least private harm

2964
04:26:57,280 --> 04:26:59,200
and past that resolution.

2965
04:27:00,040 --> 04:27:05,580
And then from there it would be decided by a court in terms of what the compensation would be.

2966
04:27:05,580 --> 04:27:15,360
So there, you know, action today would not necessarily mean that the house would, would follow into the city's inventory, it would not.

2967
04:27:16,080 --> 04:27:19,380
There's a process that would have to follow after that tonight.

2968
04:27:20,160 --> 04:27:25,980
Thank you. I apologize for asking so many questions. I'll wait to give my comments until everybody's had a chance.

2969
04:27:29,580 --> 04:27:33,700
I appreciate those questions because I have a lot of similar questions, so there's a lot of

2970
04:27:33,700 --> 04:27:39,760
of the questions we're going to miss to Rosy, so we made a comment and I didn't catch

2971
04:27:39,760 --> 04:27:44,820
that catch a little thing about who will have the right of way and I just want to make sure

2972
04:27:44,820 --> 04:27:50,480
I heard correctly, has that been decided as far as if this moves forward, it will cause

2973
04:27:50,480 --> 04:27:53,680
have the lead or will we have the lead?

2974
04:27:56,300 --> 04:27:59,620
We plan to bring a cooperative agreement to the city

2975
04:27:59,620 --> 04:28:00,660
at a future meeting.

2976
04:28:01,080 --> 04:28:04,180
We're working with CalTrans right now to negotiate that.

2977
04:28:05,860 --> 04:28:09,020
We have set in the past that the city would take the lead

2978
04:28:09,020 --> 04:28:10,460
and acquiring the right away.

2979
04:28:11,020 --> 04:28:14,080
We've also talked to CalTrans about them taking the lead.

2980
04:28:15,060 --> 04:28:18,020
If this body wants to take the lead, it'd be good to know

2981
04:28:18,020 --> 04:28:20,940
so that we could go that path.

2982
04:28:21,520 --> 04:28:25,220
But if we went that path, it may be that later on,

2983
04:28:25,660 --> 04:28:28,140
we would have to come to this body for our resolution

2984
04:28:28,140 --> 04:28:29,500
of necessity hearing.

2985
04:28:30,000 --> 04:28:32,020
That would be the first step in eminent domain.

2986
04:28:32,620 --> 04:28:36,600
If CalTrans were to take the lead in acquiring

2987
04:28:36,600 --> 04:28:39,400
the right way on the project, then it would go

2988
04:28:39,400 --> 04:28:41,180
to the California Transportation Commission.

2989
04:28:41,900 --> 04:28:44,100
All right, so that means that Mr. Rossi,

2990
04:28:44,100 --> 04:28:46,080
when we're as a partner, I would think

2991
04:28:46,080 --> 04:28:52,920
of call transfers is with us, right? So, okay, that's crazy. So, the point of that decision

2992
04:28:53,500 --> 04:29:00,340
is done when, is that, is that come back to us to say, to you want to see the decision to call

2993
04:29:00,340 --> 04:29:05,280
trends? I just want to understand the timeline if this moves forward, you know, each, each

2994
04:29:05,280 --> 04:29:14,460
timeline of the decision. So, being understanding of the impacts to Mr. Rossi, I feel that if this

2995
04:29:14,460 --> 04:29:19,440
was forward much better for us to lead the way, right?

2996
04:29:19,440 --> 04:29:22,280
And my question is, what point would that decision

2997
04:29:22,280 --> 04:29:23,160
need to be made?

2998
04:29:24,320 --> 04:29:25,860
We would want to make that decision fairly

2999
04:29:25,860 --> 04:29:26,700
sin.

3000
04:29:27,120 --> 04:29:29,420
CalTrans has drafted a cooperative agreement

3001
04:29:29,420 --> 04:29:30,980
to have us be the lead.

3002
04:29:31,360 --> 04:29:34,320
I have not seen that draft cooperative agreement.

3003
04:29:34,660 --> 04:29:38,200
As soon as we see it, I would forward it to legal counsel

3004
04:29:38,200 --> 04:29:39,000
for a review.

3005
04:29:39,460 --> 04:29:40,720
We would write a staff report.

3006
04:29:41,200 --> 04:29:44,240
We would schedule it for the next available city council meeting.

3007
04:29:44,460 --> 04:29:54,580
So probably in a month or two, we would come forward with a cooperative agreement spelling out who was going to take the lead in acquiring the right away for the project.

3008
04:29:54,820 --> 04:29:59,960
And I'm going to jump in and just with one small fact and guide correctly, but I don't believe Keff...

3009
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,220
All trans will go through that process until there's a certified EIR.

3010
04:30:07,200 --> 04:30:13,260
They won't start the right away process, but they would approve a right away cooperative agreement.

3011
04:30:14,440 --> 04:30:19,900
So, even before certification, if I had read away agreement, now I could bring it forward.

3012
04:30:19,900 --> 04:30:24,780
count times would be okay with that. I see, okay. And then again at the timeline,

3013
04:30:25,180 --> 04:30:33,040
this was forward. We lead the way and we start negotiating and you kind of answer this question

3014
04:30:33,040 --> 04:30:42,840
by just want to be clear, you know, because I heard 2029, but at what point would the demolition take place?

3015
04:30:42,840 --> 04:30:50,920
What's our earliest, and really, realistically, what's the longest, the farthest time away

3016
04:30:50,920 --> 04:30:51,940
that this could take place.

3017
04:30:52,040 --> 04:30:56,640
What's the window where that realistically could place, take place for this kind of project?

3018
04:30:57,060 --> 04:30:59,060
It somewhat depends on negotiations.

3019
04:30:59,620 --> 04:31:05,080
So let's say we start to negotiate with the Rossi family and hypothetically speaking.

3020
04:31:06,400 --> 04:31:09,180
They love our offer, take our offer.

3021
04:31:09,180 --> 04:31:14,680
We find a new home from Mr. Rossi, he's all excited and wants to move out.

3022
04:31:15,320 --> 04:31:19,960
We could demolish the house, you know, as soon as he moves out.

3023
04:31:20,920 --> 04:31:28,960
On the flip side, let's say we decide, we want to stay in the house as long as humanly possible.

3024
04:31:29,340 --> 04:31:33,960
Then we could have it as the first order of work for the construction package and then it would be

3025
04:31:33,960 --> 04:31:35,360
sometime in 2029.

3026
04:31:35,360 --> 04:31:42,000
Okay, so I know, I know, aging in place for people retiring and, and I'm already focused

3027
04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:42,700
really important.

3028
04:31:43,180 --> 04:31:48,540
So, could that be a condition of the project of, you know, I don't know what, what,

3029
04:31:49,040 --> 04:31:54,340
along that, that would be, I'm just trying to give some flexibility to, to the

3030
04:31:54,340 --> 04:31:54,700
finances.

3031
04:31:54,720 --> 04:32:00,380
Is this really the, the property with the most impact, is, you know, is that something

3032
04:32:00,380 --> 04:32:05,160
And that's normally discussed in those negotiations that could be a condition.

3033
04:32:07,140 --> 04:32:14,520
It sometimes says, I mean, I've seen it negotiated that the individual that resides in

3034
04:32:14,520 --> 04:32:19,620
the property is allowed to stay in the property as long as possible, so yes, that could

3035
04:32:19,620 --> 04:32:20,580
possibly be a condition.

3036
04:32:22,120 --> 04:32:26,800
And if this doesn't move forward, because I know there's funding from different venues and VTA

3037
04:32:26,800 --> 04:32:34,840
health trends are local dollars. There's different sources. How would that be impacted? If

3038
04:32:34,840 --> 04:32:41,460
one or one of these items are not approved, what happens to the funding and being at 65%

3039
04:32:41,460 --> 04:32:47,800
is that the lay the project is at stop in place or do we have to come back at a later time?

3040
04:32:48,280 --> 04:32:54,740
Well, we cannot start negotiating for real property rights. That's the big impact on the schedule.

3041
04:32:54,740 --> 04:33:06,220
And that is, yeah, until and unless the EIR certified, we cannot start negotiating for real property rights.

3042
04:33:06,700 --> 04:33:11,920
Look, that is on the critical path. The time it's going to take to acquire real property.

3043
04:33:12,080 --> 04:33:16,180
And it's not just the Rossi House. There are several properties that need to be acquired.

3044
04:33:18,940 --> 04:33:44,840
And part but still all of the even partial acquisitions can take just as long as the full acquisition sometimes longer sometimes even a temporary construction easement can take longer than a full acquisition it really depends on the parties that you're negotiating with so we would be delayed you know if the city did not take action tonight.

3045
04:33:44,840 --> 04:33:51,570
There are good funding opportunities that write out right now that we're applying for and this project

3046
04:33:52,700 --> 04:33:58,690
presents itself very well in terms of its project benefits and the state's goals for

3047
04:33:59,280 --> 04:34:07,450
bike and pedestrian safety and sustainability. So we do have money that is allocate that is

3048
04:34:07,450 --> 04:34:14,930
program to right away, we can't allocate that money for, you know, until the EIR certified.

3049
04:34:15,870 --> 04:34:18,790
So that money has a timeframe on it, too.

3050
04:34:19,030 --> 04:34:22,230
It needs to be allocated by 2027.

3051
04:34:22,990 --> 04:34:28,490
You know, so if we start delaying things, it makes it harder for us to acquire the construction funding.

3052
04:34:28,730 --> 04:34:37,350
It makes it harder for us to, you know, deal with the money that we have set aside,

3053
04:34:37,350 --> 04:34:41,830
right now for right away, you know, and possibly we could lose some of that money.

3054
04:34:42,750 --> 04:34:46,810
That's, you know, been programmed to right away if we can't allocate it by 2027.

3055
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:01,380
Is that number?

3056
04:35:05,580 --> 04:35:09,640
So the adopted EIR gives us the opportunity to enter into discussions with these

3057
04:35:09,640 --> 04:35:15,940
property owners, Mr. Rossi, and I believe their families involved. And that allows us to get feedback

3058
04:35:15,940 --> 04:35:29,980
from them because I know that there is a lot of concern about taking something from their home, but that's

3059
04:35:29,980 --> 04:35:35,180
there's no agreement. And then the next step will be imminent domain.

3060
04:35:36,040 --> 04:35:41,980
Who makes that decision? When does that come back to us to discuss what negotiations took place

3061
04:35:41,980 --> 04:35:47,080
before we even consider imminent domain? Because we're far away from, we're not even close to that.

3062
04:35:47,500 --> 04:35:51,320
Right? And a lot of the comments tonight was concerning about imminent domain,

3063
04:35:51,920 --> 04:35:58,920
ever moving this, you know, Mr. Rossi from your home. So, what point does that occur? And what's

3064
04:35:58,920 --> 04:36:02,020
process for that in the decision behind that.

3065
04:36:02,460 --> 04:36:05,540
So the process for that is, of course,

3066
04:36:05,680 --> 04:36:08,280
to make the, you know, do the appraisals,

3067
04:36:08,720 --> 04:36:10,220
make an offer, and negotiate.

3068
04:36:11,300 --> 04:36:14,100
And if negotiation doesn't go well,

3069
04:36:14,320 --> 04:36:17,360
then we would have to decide whether we wanted to go to

3070
04:36:17,360 --> 04:36:20,680
a political body, and it would either be this one,

3071
04:36:21,120 --> 04:36:22,840
the California Transportation Commission,

3072
04:36:23,360 --> 04:36:26,060
possibly the Napa Valley Transportation Authority.

3073
04:36:26,060 --> 04:36:32,720
They also have the ability to exercise eminent domain as a responsible agency on the project.

3074
04:36:33,360 --> 04:36:46,380
We could decide which agency we want to go to to ask for a resolution of necessity to determine if the project is in the best public interest at the least private harm.

3075
04:36:46,380 --> 04:36:57,000
And out that hearing, if the body says no, then the project would not be able to acquire the right away and we wouldn't be able to move forward with the project.

3076
04:36:57,420 --> 04:36:57,640
Okay.

3077
04:36:57,760 --> 04:36:59,020
The body was to say yes.

3078
04:36:59,380 --> 04:37:03,380
Well, then it would go to the courts to determine what the fair market value is.

3079
04:37:03,840 --> 04:37:03,860
Okay.

3080
04:37:04,560 --> 04:37:08,620
So tonight we're not deciding, you know, as many comments I wanted to make sure,

3081
04:37:08,680 --> 04:37:14,440
the audience knew and heard that process that we're not making the decision to remove and to rush from its home.

3082
04:37:14,440 --> 04:37:19,020
But this does allows us to enter negotiations with them to see if there's a reasonable

3083
04:37:19,720 --> 04:37:25,700
agreement to be reached. That doesn't then we we're gonna have a decision of which

3084
04:37:26,220 --> 04:37:31,440
government entity will enter or take leader in an intimate domain. And in my personal

3085
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:38,820
recommendations, if we are going to adopt a IR, we should be leading the negotiation.

3086
04:37:38,820 --> 04:37:41,780
And, you know, that MBTA and our college entrance

3087
04:37:41,780 --> 04:37:45,580
should go back to us since most of the discussions is here.

3088
04:37:45,840 --> 04:37:46,820
We're here in the public comment

3089
04:37:46,820 --> 04:37:49,980
from the community here that we should take on their responses.

3090
04:37:50,320 --> 04:37:51,800
That's my take on that.

3091
04:37:52,700 --> 04:37:55,700
I feel a little bit better about that answer

3092
04:37:55,700 --> 04:38:00,900
because I'm not ready to, to this place anybody from their home.

3093
04:38:01,180 --> 04:38:03,820
I do want to have the opportunity to have a conversation

3094
04:38:04,320 --> 04:38:07,920
negotiations to see if we can come to a reasonable agreement.

3095
04:38:07,920 --> 04:38:12,340
I know people here don't want to remove, I don't want to remove anybody against their will.

3096
04:38:13,020 --> 04:38:22,040
But I do, I am interested in hearing their feedback as is their reasonable offer there that they're willing to take.

3097
04:38:22,620 --> 04:38:31,160
And I'm not saying we're going to go in a minute domain, but if what I'm hearing here is we do that EIR that gives us permission to move forward and have those conversations.

3098
04:38:31,160 --> 04:38:37,900
That's why I am interested in supporting that, but I'm very cautious about when we get to the

3099
04:38:37,900 --> 04:38:43,760
amendment domain who leads that and also make sure that we take every effort to do

3100
04:38:43,760 --> 04:38:48,380
the right by Mr. Rossi and the other property owners, so that's one.

3101
04:38:49,060 --> 04:38:58,660
Then doing construction, there was concern about noise, vibration, and disruption, so doing

3102
04:38:58,660 --> 04:39:03,060
construction, I know in the other projects, we were able to provide resources, phone numbers

3103
04:39:03,060 --> 04:39:09,980
for residents to be able to reach out to some of something that is maybe not working

3104
04:39:09,980 --> 04:39:15,320
was too loud. How do we hold the people, the companies doing the construction

3105
04:39:15,320 --> 04:39:21,680
countable with staying within reasonable noise and using the right equipment that the

3106
04:39:21,680 --> 04:39:26,500
because some of the commas was when reasonable one available.

3107
04:39:27,000 --> 04:39:29,820
So how do we hold that accountable to make sure we're doing the best

3108
04:39:29,820 --> 04:39:32,520
to lessen the disruption to the neighborhood?

3109
04:39:33,460 --> 04:39:39,060
So we have a traffic management plan, which addresses construction impacts.

3110
04:39:39,880 --> 04:39:45,020
And then we, before we advertise the project, when we call it ready to less,

3111
04:39:45,420 --> 04:39:50,180
one of the other requirements in addition to right away is to have a complete set of plans

3112
04:39:50,180 --> 04:39:59,980
and specifications, specifications have a section on maintaining traffic and what time.

3113
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:06,740
It'd be specified in the contract specifications and the contractor would have to follow those who are based penalties.

3114
04:40:08,520 --> 04:40:11,940
And to be clear, there is already a call transfer in the city.

3115
04:40:12,120 --> 04:40:19,460
In the EIR has a, what's called an avoidance and minimization measure called noise.

3116
04:40:19,460 --> 04:40:24,120
Dash 1.2, we're pleased to build noise in a rating construction activity shall be

3117
04:40:24,120 --> 04:40:30,260
restricted between 7am and 7pm. On weekdays, no construction occurring on weekends

3118
04:40:30,260 --> 04:40:34,940
or holidays, it will work as necessary outside, CalChance shall require implementation

3119
04:40:34,940 --> 04:40:38,760
of a construction noise monitoring program provided additional noise controls.

3120
04:40:40,760 --> 04:40:47,440
And then what's the protocol for keeping neighborhoods informed of changes of, you know,

3121
04:40:47,440 --> 04:40:54,940
roads and other changes on construction of my disrupt traffic flow and just the everyday

3122
04:40:54,940 --> 04:40:56,380
lives of the residents.

3123
04:40:57,360 --> 04:41:03,380
We could certainly, as the city, take a very proactive approach to doing so.

3124
04:41:04,180 --> 04:41:10,520
Often, Cal Trans is criticized for not having proper public information and notification.

3125
04:41:10,520 --> 04:41:22,640
If the city council of directs us to have somebody dedicated to informing the public of the construction

3126
04:41:22,640 --> 04:41:26,840
happenings, one roadways are going to be closed, one work is going to be occurring.

3127
04:41:27,400 --> 04:41:28,700
We would certainly do so.

3128
04:41:29,000 --> 04:41:35,320
I already heard when I met with some of the property owners out there in the field about

3129
04:41:35,320 --> 04:41:41,980
instances when they were not informed about lane closures and whatnot, and so when we went out there

3130
04:41:41,980 --> 04:41:48,140
to do our soil testing and our drilling that required a lane closure, I personally called them

3131
04:41:48,140 --> 04:41:52,520
and let them know that a lane closure was going to be in place and we would make sure that they're

3132
04:41:52,520 --> 04:42:01,080
driveway access was maintained during. You were also considering adopting a mitigation monitoring

3133
04:42:01,080 --> 04:42:08,280
in reporting program tonight, and you can add any measure to that mitigation monitoring reporting program

3134
04:42:08,280 --> 04:42:15,920
regarding what you just described in terms of noise and reporting to that MMRP as part of

3135
04:42:15,920 --> 04:42:17,260
your adoption of the end.

3136
04:42:17,260 --> 04:42:22,300
Well, absolutely. I mean, one of our focus areas is commitment engagement, right? So that's

3137
04:42:22,300 --> 04:42:27,000
that's a given to me that we have to make sure that we keep that neighborhood proper informed,

3138
04:42:27,000 --> 04:42:31,980
Right? I mean, good, you know, dropping off kids going to work and something changes, you know,

3139
04:42:32,280 --> 04:42:38,160
that that can really, or the quiet life of people who make sure that we can properly inform them.

3140
04:42:38,340 --> 04:42:47,140
Also, there, and the different item, there was a lot of conversation about not seeing accidents,

3141
04:42:47,840 --> 04:42:51,180
and then I also heard that this is a high-endry corridor.

3142
04:42:51,180 --> 04:42:59,180
Can we talk about the data about injuries and accidents that we found to show what the public

3143
04:42:59,180 --> 04:43:02,300
that has not seen that?

3144
04:43:03,360 --> 04:43:05,580
Yeah, so you mentioned a couple of things.

3145
04:43:06,100 --> 04:43:10,400
The high injury network, that is in the city of Napa, local roadways safety plan.

3146
04:43:10,780 --> 04:43:14,240
It is the Silverado Trail from South Skull to the Northern City

3147
04:43:14,240 --> 04:43:24,780
So the entire corridor is on that, meaning that is one of the corridors that in our city that has the highest number of severe and fatal collisions.

3148
04:43:25,340 --> 04:43:29,040
Not necessarily attributed to the intersection, but to the entire corridor.

3149
04:43:30,880 --> 04:43:35,600
You did also mention collisions that were studied.

3150
04:43:35,600 --> 04:43:41,380
We have been looking at the collision data for a number of years, well over a decade, and

3151
04:43:41,380 --> 04:43:47,120
since we have started this project, collisions at this intersection specifically have been

3152
04:43:47,120 --> 04:43:50,580
higher than the statewide average for other similar facilities.

3153
04:43:51,600 --> 04:43:52,400
Thank you for sharing that.

3154
04:43:52,400 --> 04:43:54,560
It sounds like there's a disagreement with that data.

3155
04:43:54,780 --> 04:44:00,880
Is there a place where people can see that that way they can compare it to the information

3156
04:44:00,880 --> 04:44:01,700
that they have?

3157
04:44:01,700 --> 04:44:04,220
because it sounds like they may be looking at different data,

3158
04:44:04,240 --> 04:44:06,320
which will make sure that we're informing the public

3159
04:44:06,320 --> 04:44:07,440
with the information we're using.

3160
04:44:07,820 --> 04:44:09,820
That information is in both the draft

3161
04:44:09,820 --> 04:44:15,180
and the final EIR E.A. is a table regarding collisions

3162
04:44:15,180 --> 04:44:20,540
and that table sites to the CalTrans traffic accidents,

3163
04:44:20,920 --> 04:44:23,720
surveillance and analysis system and documents

3164
04:44:23,720 --> 04:44:27,620
and 10 accidents over five years in the intersection.

3165
04:44:28,120 --> 04:44:36,340
But again, that is in both the draft, EIR slash and EIA, EIA is the NAPA component of it, and in the final EIR.

3166
04:44:38,100 --> 04:44:38,460
Thank you.

3167
04:44:38,480 --> 04:44:40,460
That's not a question to have for now.

3168
04:44:42,360 --> 04:44:43,420
Council Member Painter.

3169
04:44:45,640 --> 04:44:49,040
These are good questions, and I want to kind of continue on a few of the threads.

3170
04:44:49,660 --> 04:44:51,980
And thank you to everybody who's sticking it out.

3171
04:44:52,180 --> 04:44:59,100
To let us ask these questions, I've been on Council for six years, so this is really my first opportunity to even have a conversation.

3172
04:44:59,100 --> 04:44:59,960
and about the five way.

3173
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,980
Intersection. And many of us do have a lot of questions. We have read all these documents. We have heard everybody tonight. So I just want to say, you know, at least for myself, I'm really kind of be thoughtful about how we move ahead to create what I hope is going to be a win-win situation where we can improve traffic safety. We can do our best to preserve the house. I don't know if it's possible, but I think it's something that we really need to consider. And I know you

3174
04:45:29,980 --> 04:45:35,380
We've looked at other designs and we've looked at things, but I'll start with that to kind

3175
04:45:35,380 --> 04:45:39,500
of follow up on Councilmember Leros' question, and this has to do with certifying the

3176
04:45:39,500 --> 04:45:39,780
EIR.

3177
04:45:40,800 --> 04:45:47,760
And I'm trying to determine if we're better off considering certification of the EIR knowing

3178
04:45:47,760 --> 04:45:52,900
we may want to consider some other alternatives, which I don't know what those alternatives

3179
04:45:52,900 --> 04:45:53,380
now.

3180
04:45:53,620 --> 04:45:59,060
They may include redesign, they may include utilizing some of what we heard about the intelligent

3181
04:45:59,060 --> 04:46:05,960
traffic management system. I don't know. I'm not a traffic engineer. But I do think, at least

3182
04:46:05,960 --> 04:46:10,120
for myself, I'd like to take some time to look at some of those alternatives to address

3183
04:46:10,120 --> 04:46:16,960
some of the issues we've heard about. So my long-witted question here is, and what I'm

3184
04:46:16,960 --> 04:46:23,440
trying to figure out is, should we consider delay on certification of the EIR to look at

3185
04:46:23,440 --> 04:46:46,300
First, or do we, or can we certify the EIR and and and the county finish my thought and consider modifications as we go through the process because this isn't like, you know, when we look at a use permit or some other project where we have a project we're approving we're only certifying the EIR.

3186
04:46:46,300 --> 04:46:53,280
So I'd like to understand when we have another opportunity to look at some of the modifications

3187
04:46:53,280 --> 04:46:58,880
that we've, you know, those of us on council and we care about this and we want to see

3188
04:46:58,880 --> 04:47:06,160
some solutions, but we're not designers or engineers, so what's the best process in that regard?

3189
04:47:06,940 --> 04:47:10,180
So I think actually what you just described is three different options.

3190
04:47:10,180 --> 04:47:15,800
Okay, I know. So if you certify tonight, unless you certify tonight, there can be no negotiations.

3191
04:47:17,400 --> 04:47:27,520
So that's, it's a full stop. Until any IR certified, nobody can talk to anybody about partial or temporary or complete acquisition of property.

3192
04:47:27,740 --> 04:47:37,780
So none of that's going to happen. If you don't certify tonight. What could also happen if you don't certify tonight, you could give staff direction to look at it in a new process.

3193
04:47:37,780 --> 04:47:44,260
that kind of gets us back to the new project question that another council member asked and

3194
04:47:44,260 --> 04:47:52,280
anything new or substantially new likely would require to some degree restarting the whole process.

3195
04:47:52,740 --> 04:47:57,480
So that's what that was your second question but let me give you a third version which kind of gets

3196
04:47:57,480 --> 04:48:01,820
I think to where you're going maybe a little bit and you can tell me if I haven't understood it correctly.

3197
04:48:01,820 --> 04:48:04,120
So, if you did certify,

3198
04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:07,060
California still has to design this.

3199
04:48:07,780 --> 04:48:12,440
And if you want to direct what you want them,

3200
04:48:12,520 --> 04:48:14,980
and this also goes to another council members question,

3201
04:48:15,080 --> 04:48:17,800
if you want to direct them to how you want it to look like,

3202
04:48:19,260 --> 04:48:20,740
you certainly can do that.

3203
04:48:21,280 --> 04:48:23,960
And certainly if Cal Frans is not,

3204
04:48:24,000 --> 04:48:26,640
but the city is the only entity

3205
04:48:27,400 --> 04:48:35,440
who will be considering whether to adopt a resolution of necessity if negotiations were not to proceed.

3206
04:48:36,140 --> 04:48:39,600
You could simply say, Caltering City can come up with a better design.

3207
04:48:39,940 --> 04:48:45,120
We're not interested in adopting a resolution of necessity and that would stop it there, too.

3208
04:48:46,260 --> 04:48:50,580
Okay, so in that case, that comes back to Councilmember Narviz.

3209
04:48:50,580 --> 04:48:55,360
This question in terms of confirming that the city of Napa is the body that would determine

3210
04:48:56,180 --> 04:48:58,940
and that process and potential for eminent domain.

3211
04:48:59,160 --> 04:49:02,320
How do we get certainty on that tonight?

3212
04:49:03,580 --> 04:49:05,860
That is something like guys that we are still negotiating

3213
04:49:05,860 --> 04:49:07,820
with Calterians, if that is the desire,

3214
04:49:07,960 --> 04:49:09,840
that is what we will go back to them with,

3215
04:49:09,980 --> 04:49:11,340
make sure it's very clear to them

3216
04:49:11,340 --> 04:49:13,600
that that is what how we want to move forward,

3217
04:49:14,760 --> 04:49:16,760
and complete negotiating that agreement

3218
04:49:16,760 --> 04:49:18,420
before bringing it back to you.

3219
04:49:20,580 --> 04:49:24,760
And then, so I understand that I don't 100% agree

3220
04:49:24,760 --> 04:49:30,900
that we're back to square one on NER if we did redesign because we've done a lot of work.

3221
04:49:31,700 --> 04:49:35,820
So there are portions of the IR that could probably stay in place and there are other portions

3222
04:49:35,820 --> 04:49:37,580
that would need to be amended and change.

3223
04:49:38,720 --> 04:49:43,240
So I don't want to necessarily discount that, but I do understand the notion that it means

3224
04:49:43,240 --> 04:49:45,680
that we're not able to enter into negotiations.

3225
04:49:47,660 --> 04:49:51,820
My next question, and it came up in some of the public comments, and I'd like to have a

3226
04:49:51,820 --> 04:49:52,600
better understanding.

3227
04:49:52,600 --> 04:49:58,700
I'm sorry if I don't. And that is how the cost, the ultimate not cost of the AR and design

3228
04:49:58,700 --> 04:49:59,980
process, but ultimate cost.

3229
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:05,960
Construction is allocated between various funding sources. What do we know about that?

3230
04:50:11,480 --> 04:50:19,320
Right now for construction, the state has placed $3.9 million on construction, and that comes

3231
04:50:19,320 --> 04:50:27,920
from actually, it's $3.48 million on construction. They have 3.9 total of state highway

3232
04:50:27,920 --> 04:50:34,020
operational and protection funding that has been placed on the construction phase of the project.

3233
04:50:35,380 --> 04:50:42,780
There is a need of $17.8 million still.

3234
04:50:43,700 --> 04:50:52,420
We've applied for 4.5 million from NVTA through the one Bay Area grant.

3235
04:50:52,420 --> 04:51:04,760
We were told they were going to move forward and recommend that we receive about 2 to 1.5 million of that for 1.5.

3236
04:51:05,840 --> 04:51:12,340
We plan to apply for state and local partnership program, which is part of Senate Bill 1 funding.

3237
04:51:12,420 --> 04:51:17,680
That was past several years ago. That requires a 1 to 1 match.

3238
04:51:18,700 --> 04:51:27,320
We can use the one Bay Area Grant funding as a match and then the rest of the match would have to come from city funds.

3239
04:51:28,440 --> 04:51:35,660
So we're looking at contributing somewhere in the neighborhood of seven, seven and a half million.

3240
04:51:35,780 --> 04:51:46,360
If we get the one Bay Area Grant and then we would possibly be able to get Senate Bill 1 local partnership program to fill the remaining shortfall.

3241
04:51:46,360 --> 04:51:49,160
That application is due in November.

3242
04:51:49,620 --> 04:51:51,920
We're already starting to work on that application.

3243
04:51:52,880 --> 04:51:55,820
We would hear whether that was successful

3244
04:51:55,820 --> 04:51:57,820
about the middle of the next year.

3245
04:51:58,480 --> 04:52:00,340
One of the things they're going to be looking at is

3246
04:52:00,340 --> 04:52:01,560
where is the project?

3247
04:52:01,940 --> 04:52:04,040
Now we certify the EIR yet.

3248
04:52:05,280 --> 04:52:08,700
How does the project meet various performance measures?

3249
04:52:09,260 --> 04:52:11,960
They like projects that are not increasing

3250
04:52:11,960 --> 04:52:13,440
greenhouse gas emissions.

3251
04:52:13,440 --> 04:52:16,860
This is not a greenhouse gas emission increase in projects.

3252
04:52:17,180 --> 04:52:19,380
It's not a capacity increase in project.

3253
04:52:19,900 --> 04:52:23,380
In fact, it's expected to decrease greenhouse gas emissions,

3254
04:52:23,780 --> 04:52:27,160
because you're not going to be having idle eaten cars at a stoplight anymore.

3255
04:52:27,720 --> 04:52:32,680
It also is promoting mode shift, so that people that right now feel unsafe,

3256
04:52:32,680 --> 04:52:37,740
traveling through an intersection where you have to cross several lanes of traffic,

3257
04:52:38,380 --> 04:52:42,900
may choose to ride their bike or walk up to Silverado Middle School,

3258
04:52:42,900 --> 04:52:49,200
because you only have to cross, you know, 10 or 15 feet to get cross one lane before they

3259
04:52:49,200 --> 04:52:54,980
hit a refugee area. There will be rapid, you know, rapid flashing weekends to help, you

3260
04:52:54,980 --> 04:53:02,400
know, alert drivers. It has been shown that roundabouts are, you know, good for pedestrian and

3261
04:53:02,400 --> 04:53:08,860
bike safety. So we expect this project to compete fairly well and that's how we, you know,

3262
04:53:08,860 --> 04:53:11,140
and to try to fund this project.

3263
04:53:12,080 --> 04:53:17,580
And for specifically city of Napa-Fans, we have a certain amount dedicated at this point

3264
04:53:17,580 --> 04:53:23,980
is it all for the EIR and design and what should we anticipate in terms of any future

3265
04:53:23,980 --> 04:53:28,080
needs from any of our existing transportation funds?

3266
04:53:29,360 --> 04:53:35,420
The funding that we have committed to this point has been to go toward the EIR to design

3267
04:53:35,420 --> 04:53:39,400
in an interactive way, so getting us through that point,

3268
04:53:39,620 --> 04:53:42,520
we would need to identify additional funds for construction.

3269
04:53:45,300 --> 04:53:46,200
Well, that's a big question.

3270
04:53:46,340 --> 04:53:49,200
I'm not going to answer it tonight, but it's just good to know,

3271
04:53:49,220 --> 04:53:51,920
sort of what the different funding pots are.

3272
04:53:51,920 --> 04:53:55,020
And I realize it's complicated, and I realize how much work it takes.

3273
04:53:56,800 --> 04:53:58,880
So those are my questions for right now.

3274
04:53:59,060 --> 04:54:00,260
I'll let other council members.

3275
04:54:00,920 --> 04:54:02,080
Vice Mayor Dina Thalian.

3276
04:54:02,420 --> 04:54:02,720
Thank you.

3277
04:54:02,840 --> 04:54:04,420
Thank you to my colleagues for your questions.

3278
04:54:04,420 --> 04:54:20,040
You had most of mine. I did have one question being the newest member of the council. Can you speak to this has been a long haul starting in 2017 the public outreach that got us to 14 to 3 to 1 and what went into that process leading up to the night.

3279
04:54:20,200 --> 04:54:33,120
Yeah, I actually started in 2014 when the project initiated a number of community meetings were held the first community meeting I believe was in 2015 late 2014 sometime in 2015.

3280
04:54:33,920 --> 04:54:41,480
and was held only to listen to the community and hear what some of the needs were, no options were presented at that point.

3281
04:54:41,880 --> 04:54:48,960
It was just to listen to take feedback about what folks were experiencing and what they wanted to see for the intersection.

3282
04:54:49,520 --> 04:54:59,280
Based on that input in at that initial meeting, staff at the time went back and did develop a few options and took them back to the community to a second meeting.

3283
04:54:59,280 --> 04:54:59,300
Thank you.

3284
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:07,440
At that meeting, there was additional feedback on what the community was okay with and not okay with.

3285
04:55:07,800 --> 04:55:20,180
I think I mentioned some of that, not cutting off access. A few of the initial options that were developed, cut off access to, well, both the Coonsville and to East Avenue and the community expressed that that would not be acceptable.

3286
04:55:20,180 --> 04:55:27,760
And so after that second meeting with those additional feedback areas I would say that fatal

3287
04:55:27,760 --> 04:55:34,900
flaw analysis was completed which did eliminate down to the eliminated some additional options

3288
04:55:34,900 --> 04:55:40,920
and eventually got to three. There was also a third community meeting where the roundabouts were

3289
04:55:40,920 --> 04:55:47,680
shown and folks like I think I think I did mention tonight you know some people are were at that time

3290
04:55:47,680 --> 04:55:53,180
against roundabouts and a number of folks showed up in support as well. Recognizing that

3291
04:55:53,180 --> 04:55:58,860
they had been to around about another areas, they thought they functioned really well. Hundreds

3292
04:55:58,860 --> 04:56:03,660
of people participated in those meetings. We still have records of the comments that were

3293
04:56:03,660 --> 04:56:11,520
received the people that were there. And then after that, in early 2017, February of 2017 is

3294
04:56:11,520 --> 04:56:17,280
when staff came back to the 2017 council. I only see one familiar face from that meeting.

3295
04:56:17,280 --> 04:56:24,180
I wasn't here with the video of that meeting and that was when Council moved forward and

3296
04:56:24,180 --> 04:56:29,420
selected the option that has been studied and we're here talking about tonight.

3297
04:56:31,180 --> 04:56:34,740
One additional clarifying question and a little bit of some discussion. This

3298
04:56:34,740 --> 04:56:40,140
chosen one does not close any businesses. It takes limited property from some, but all the

3299
04:56:40,140 --> 04:56:46,180
businesses remain correct. That is correct. This option that we are presenting option 5F does not

3300
04:56:46,180 --> 04:56:48,920
require full acquisition of any business.

3301
04:56:49,940 --> 04:56:53,500
I did mention that the some of the parking area

3302
04:56:54,120 --> 04:56:57,100
for the marble and granite business would be removed.

3303
04:56:57,260 --> 04:56:59,780
And so we have been talking with them already.

3304
04:57:00,380 --> 04:57:03,160
And we'll continue to do so to find alternative options

3305
04:57:03,160 --> 04:57:06,460
for them on a different side or behind the business.

3306
04:57:06,720 --> 04:57:08,680
And that would be part of those acquisition

3307
04:57:08,680 --> 04:57:11,000
negotiations that we were talking about earlier.

3308
04:57:11,820 --> 04:57:13,060
Thank you.

3309
04:57:14,620 --> 04:57:16,580
You've, thanks very much for that.

3310
04:57:16,960 --> 04:57:21,920
Yeah, we heard that comment about losing all the businesses, but that was early on, you know,

3311
04:57:22,040 --> 04:57:26,020
a big consideration on the small business population in that area.

3312
04:57:27,020 --> 04:57:34,240
And when we came to the, the option that we're looking at today, it was, I know it was

3313
04:57:34,240 --> 04:57:40,420
a big impact on one, one private ownership, but it was collectively the, well, be the least

3314
04:57:40,420 --> 04:57:41,980
impactful on the whole area.

3315
04:57:41,980 --> 04:57:47,780
And so the council decided to go with that option and, you know, the engineers, the

3316
04:57:47,780 --> 04:57:51,520
traffic engineers and the people look at grade and there is a, you know, 17 foot

3317
04:57:51,520 --> 04:57:54,720
grade there that, you know, we couldn't do a lot of things.

3318
04:57:54,880 --> 04:58:00,800
We had to move it down and north a little bit to make it all work, but I see Mary still

3319
04:58:00,800 --> 04:58:01,440
up there too.

3320
04:58:01,560 --> 04:58:06,100
But yeah, the, a lot of the comments tonight were about whether roundabouts are a good

3321
04:58:06,100 --> 04:58:07,520
thing were a bad thing.

3322
04:58:08,200 --> 04:58:11,880
And then a lot of it was about the Rossi family of the impact.

3323
04:58:12,300 --> 04:58:15,820
And so I think we've both shared our concerns.

3324
04:58:16,060 --> 04:58:17,120
We want to make that work.

3325
04:58:17,220 --> 04:58:20,220
The best it can possibly work with the Rossi family.

3326
04:58:22,000 --> 04:58:26,020
And roundabouts, they do work.

3327
04:58:26,160 --> 04:58:28,360
And they meet the requirements of what the state's working for.

3328
04:58:28,460 --> 04:58:31,260
We have a focus area of climate change.

3329
04:58:31,520 --> 04:58:32,940
We want to reduce greenhouse gases.

3330
04:58:33,440 --> 04:58:34,720
We want to reduce all those things.

3331
04:58:34,720 --> 04:58:39,760
it kind of aligns with our focus areas, and I'm going to go over to Councilman Rurals.

3332
04:58:40,700 --> 04:58:43,720
Well, I just want to clarify in question before I kind of make my comments.

3333
04:58:44,040 --> 04:58:49,420
I want to just clarify something that our outside Council said earlier when you were talking to Council member Painter.

3334
04:58:49,700 --> 04:58:55,620
If we don't certify the EIR, you said that no one can talk to anyone about acquisition of the property.

3335
04:58:55,760 --> 04:59:03,280
And I just want to clarify, I really, as we can't negotiate, unless the EIR is certified, we can't make an offer.

3336
04:59:03,280 --> 04:59:07,800
But I just want to make sure we can still talk to Charlie about what's important to him.

3337
04:59:07,840 --> 04:59:08,420
I just want to clarify.

3338
04:59:09,180 --> 04:59:09,920
Yes, you are correct.

3339
04:59:10,080 --> 04:59:10,920
We cannot make an offer.

3340
04:59:11,120 --> 04:59:11,820
We cannot negotiate.

3341
04:59:12,240 --> 04:59:13,020
We can discuss.

3342
04:59:13,740 --> 04:59:15,840
And I believe that has already begun.

3343
04:59:16,220 --> 04:59:20,440
But it's, there's no, I don't believe we can, can we praise even?

3344
04:59:23,340 --> 04:59:26,940
I believe you can, you can't, you can't, you can't make, you can't make an offer.

3345
04:59:27,620 --> 04:59:29,320
It's certainly he could, he could do an appraisal.

3346
04:59:29,340 --> 04:59:31,520
I mean, he could do it appraisal too.

3347
04:59:31,520 --> 04:59:32,260
And we do it now.

3348
04:59:32,560 --> 04:59:32,620
Yes.

3349
04:59:32,620 --> 04:59:36,360
And we met with the Rossi family, and they're the nicest people in the world.

3350
04:59:36,560 --> 04:59:38,620
I mean, it breaks our hearts, too.

3351
04:59:40,420 --> 04:59:43,940
This was a project that was really threading the needle.

3352
04:59:44,580 --> 04:59:49,560
There was no really way of not impacting anybody.

3353
04:59:50,180 --> 04:59:53,660
But they were very kind, and we're very concerned.

3354
04:59:54,400 --> 04:59:59,120
And we did explain to them their rights and how the process worked.

3355
04:59:59,120 --> 04:59:59,560
and

3356
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:18,220
We tried to set them at least at ease that there were protections in place and that everything is not guaranteed that we would follow the process and make sure that they were heard and that they're interests were considered.

3357
05:00:18,860 --> 05:00:22,820
Okay, thank you. I just wanted to clarify just to make sure that we can still, if we don't

3358
05:00:22,820 --> 05:00:29,620
certify the AR tonight, we can still talk to him about some of this. I don't want to kick an

3359
05:00:29,620 --> 05:00:35,000
84-year-old man out of his family home. I don't think anybody up here does. I also live in this

3360
05:00:35,000 --> 05:00:40,820
neighborhood. My personal experience has been that this intersection is not great. It is failing,

3361
05:00:41,320 --> 05:00:46,340
and I think it needs to be fixed. But I also don't think that those are only two options tonight.

3362
05:00:46,900 --> 05:00:51,980
And before I'm willing to make a finding that demolishing, you know, the house is unavoidable,

3363
05:00:52,460 --> 05:00:55,900
I want to know that we've actually tried everything to design around the house.

3364
05:00:56,600 --> 05:01:01,640
And I'm not an engineer, like most people here, I don't know if we can make adjustments to the property,

3365
05:01:02,100 --> 05:01:08,100
to make it fit without disturbing, excuse me, make adjustments to the project, to make it fit without disturbing the house.

3366
05:01:08,560 --> 05:01:15,400
But I do know that the EIR only looks at doing the project the way the previous council approved or not doing the project.

3367
05:01:15,400 --> 05:01:19,940
those are those are the two things it considers. It doesn't consider design changes

3368
05:01:20,600 --> 05:01:26,140
and at this point the project is not comprehensively designed and I'm not asking for us to

3369
05:01:26,140 --> 05:01:32,020
to redesign it tonight. I think we need to keep moving forward while treating the preservation

3370
05:01:32,020 --> 05:01:38,860
of the house as a design objective during the final engineering. If we can require staff to return

3371
05:01:38,860 --> 05:01:44,080
to council before we take action about regarding demolishing or property acquisition that would be

3372
05:01:44,080 --> 05:01:49,260
my preference. I think from a technical perspective and we have three recommended actions

3373
05:01:49,260 --> 05:01:55,000
here tonight. I think that looks like just approving number three and doing and moving forward

3374
05:01:55,000 --> 05:02:00,600
with the cooperative agreement and not certifying the EIR tonight. I think that would allow staff

3375
05:02:00,600 --> 05:02:05,340
to continue working with CalTrans, continue the design work and allow us to get more information.

3376
05:02:05,780 --> 05:02:08,140
So we feel more comfortable making this determination.

3377
05:02:10,320 --> 05:02:11,840
You know, Council Member Narvis spoke

3378
05:02:11,840 --> 05:02:14,500
about wanting to approve the AR in order to move forward

3379
05:02:14,500 --> 05:02:15,760
with negotiating with Charlie.

3380
05:02:16,060 --> 05:02:18,240
I think there's a difference between negotiations

3381
05:02:18,240 --> 05:02:21,420
and discussions, and I think that's really important.

3382
05:02:21,700 --> 05:02:24,260
And I don't think we have to certify the AR tonight

3383
05:02:24,260 --> 05:02:26,700
to ask Charlie what's important to him.

3384
05:02:27,060 --> 05:02:29,180
And if we approve the AR, we're approving a project

3385
05:02:29,180 --> 05:02:33,200
that will require negotiation of acquisition of the properties.

3386
05:02:33,480 --> 05:02:36,980
So it is a big decision to certify that AR tonight.

3387
05:02:37,940 --> 05:02:40,320
We've heard from a lot of people who care really deeply

3388
05:02:40,320 --> 05:02:45,280
about Charlie and about our community who want to make sure that he's treated fairly and

3389
05:02:45,280 --> 05:02:48,940
compassionately through the process and I think that's really important but I think the most

3390
05:02:48,940 --> 05:02:54,100
important voice in the conversations is Charlie's. You know at this point I'd really like

3391
05:02:54,100 --> 05:02:59,100
sap to sit down with Charlie and his family listen to what he actually wants and I know we've done

3392
05:02:59,100 --> 05:03:04,740
a lot of that work already but I want to work with him to understand what an outcome that truly

3393
05:03:04,740 --> 05:03:10,600
makes him whole could look like, maybe that's finding a comparable house nearby. If that's

3394
05:03:10,600 --> 05:03:16,300
what he wants, maybe it means providing meaningful assistance with a physical move, preserving

3395
05:03:16,300 --> 05:03:21,460
important parts of his home, finding other ways to honor things about the property that matter

3396
05:03:21,460 --> 05:03:26,420
most to him. We shouldn't assume that we know the answer. We should ask him and listen to him.

3397
05:03:27,020 --> 05:03:30,580
And then you know, do everything within our power to find a solution that treats him with

3398
05:03:30,580 --> 05:03:37,140
and respect. So I think continuing this seems appropriate given the circumstances, it would allow

3399
05:03:37,140 --> 05:03:41,120
us to get more clarification, preserve all the work that's been done so far as Council Member

3400
05:03:41,120 --> 05:03:45,600
Painter pointed out. And then I just wanted to say Mike Matthews made a great comment during

3401
05:03:45,600 --> 05:03:50,400
public comment. He said, there's time to get this right. And I think we're not going to lose funding

3402
05:03:50,400 --> 05:03:54,320
on a project that we've been working on for a decade just because we hit the breaks and do this

3403
05:03:54,320 --> 05:03:57,420
All right, so that's what I'd like to do.

3404
05:04:02,380 --> 05:04:03,180
Councilmember Nubas.

3405
05:04:03,480 --> 05:04:03,960
Thank you.

3406
05:04:04,680 --> 05:04:05,340
Councilmember Louros.

3407
05:04:05,480 --> 05:04:06,580
Thank you for those comments.

3408
05:04:07,660 --> 05:04:10,720
And just to clarify, because I got this information after my comments.

3409
05:04:11,800 --> 05:04:16,240
I heard a lot of comments from the audience, particularly about Mr. Rossi.

3410
05:04:16,540 --> 05:04:18,300
Why did not hear from was Mr. Rossi.

3411
05:04:18,360 --> 05:04:22,280
Even though he was here, also then I want to make him a comfortable train

3412
05:04:22,280 --> 05:04:28,480
to talk if you want to. But have any conversation with him, whether we move forward that

3413
05:04:28,480 --> 05:04:34,660
EIR or not, we can still have the conversation I agree. We can move forward with number three,

3414
05:04:34,920 --> 05:04:40,920
continue to conversation with Mr. Rossi, without putting in the project in jeopardy. Is that correct?

3415
05:04:42,000 --> 05:04:48,300
I mean, if we just do three and have how we want to solve conversations with Mr. Rossi and

3416
05:04:48,300 --> 05:04:54,200
family about what we're making them whole what that looks like. Does that jeopardize the project

3417
05:04:54,200 --> 05:04:59,620
and moving forward? Is that, is that, is that pause button kill the project or just delays it a moment longer?

3418
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:09,440
It does not kill the project. We can continue to talk with him, like I heard Councilmember Loro say, understanding

3419
05:05:09,440 --> 05:05:16,160
what's important to him and come back later and discuss that. I think approaching it with the

3420
05:05:16,160 --> 05:05:23,400
little more not that we're not sensitive because there's a lot of technical definitions that we use

3421
05:05:23,400 --> 05:05:30,700
alive a lot of legal words, you know, but when it comes down to it, we also being sensitive,

3422
05:05:31,300 --> 05:05:39,360
not just, you know, speaking about EIRs and data, but also get the human element, have a conversation

3423
05:05:39,360 --> 05:05:40,360
with him.

3424
05:05:40,360 --> 05:05:47,360
I'm comfortable with the suggestion, Council Member Lourke, came up with number three, having

3425
05:05:47,360 --> 05:05:51,260
conversation Mr. Ross, I want to hear what I haven't talked to him, I've been heard

3426
05:05:51,260 --> 05:05:56,540
feedback from that family yet. I'm really interested to know what they're saying. Before we

3427
05:05:56,540 --> 05:06:01,240
adopt and move forward with negotiations, I was thinking we needed negotiations to really get

3428
05:06:01,240 --> 05:06:07,620
that feedback. But if we don't need that feedback adopting that EIR number one to move forward

3429
05:06:07,620 --> 05:06:15,160
for feedback then I'm okay with number three but really I want to hear back from what that looks like

3430
05:06:15,160 --> 05:06:26,180
because I think moving forward a little more caution, especially what this nature of this project

3431
05:06:26,180 --> 05:06:31,320
in that home, I'm more comfortable doing that and then coming back and then revisiting

3432
05:06:32,560 --> 05:06:34,000
number one.

3433
05:06:34,480 --> 05:06:41,120
One point of clarification to the extent that you would proceed a motion or consider adopting

3434
05:06:41,120 --> 05:06:46,340
the third item, it would have to be minorly revised because currently it's being approved

3435
05:06:46,340 --> 05:06:50,900
pursuant to certify the IR. We would take we would we would have to amend it to remove

3436
05:06:50,900 --> 05:06:54,840
that reference. It would that would be fine. We could certainly do that. The other thing

3437
05:06:54,840 --> 05:06:59,860
I'd just end up so that's just just to be clear on that. And just a quick clarification

3438
05:06:59,860 --> 05:07:06,440
would this just be to continue for discussion with Mr. Rossi would not be any direction

3439
05:07:06,440 --> 05:07:08,720
and with regard to the EIR itself.

3440
05:07:10,780 --> 05:07:12,540
Well, what, well, I'm, did you want to?

3441
05:07:12,720 --> 05:07:13,180
Well, no.

3442
05:07:13,680 --> 05:07:18,340
Well, I just want to, what I want to do is move forward

3443
05:07:19,300 --> 05:07:21,180
with getting feedback from Mr. Russell

3444
05:07:21,180 --> 05:07:23,180
without jeopardizing the project.

3445
05:07:24,260 --> 05:07:26,940
Right, because, you know, I don't,

3446
05:07:27,040 --> 05:07:29,280
I know we're far away from even having a discussion

3447
05:07:29,280 --> 05:07:31,760
that meant domain, but a lot of the conversation

3448
05:07:31,760 --> 05:07:35,800
that I've heard has not included feedback from them.

3449
05:07:35,800 --> 05:07:39,320
that's why that's why I want to hear and I wasn't I wasn't

3450
05:07:39,320 --> 05:07:43,120
inquiring I was just confirming that the two elements you were referring to are simply

3451
05:07:43,120 --> 05:07:49,360
adopt that third item with that revision I just discussed full stop and that's it.

3452
05:07:49,580 --> 05:07:54,260
That's the only thing you're proposing to do. Yeah that's that's what I'm proposing right now.

3453
05:07:54,400 --> 05:08:05,780
I'm I think that's what you mentioned comes from our laurels is number three and I think we're kind of

3454
05:08:06,260 --> 05:08:12,360
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt Mayor. I think Zoom just went down and with our new requirements.

3455
05:08:12,420 --> 05:08:16,960
I think we have to pause the moment. Pause the meeting a moment to address. I'm sorry to interrupt,

3456
05:08:17,240 --> 05:08:27,300
but I also want to make sure we're hearing to the law. So we'll have to take a pause looking at legal counsel to confirm that that's okay.

3457
05:08:29,980 --> 05:08:32,160
Reboot. Okay, let me see.

3458
05:11:05,970 --> 05:11:18,030
Attaining to what you did for summer? I'm not going to talk about this. We got to wait till we go back in.

3459
05:11:30,660 --> 05:11:35,280
It wasn't a real roundabout. It was kind of a traffic calming measure.

3460
05:11:37,590 --> 05:11:38,570
It didn't seem to be working.

3461
05:11:42,510 --> 05:11:48,710
But it was not around about, it was there, it was trying to sow people down.

3462
05:11:49,330 --> 05:11:54,310
Yeah. It didn't achieve the results we would hoped.

3463
05:12:01,900 --> 05:12:02,700
It wasn't around about.

3464
05:12:06,660 --> 05:12:07,100
It

3465
05:12:09,500 --> 05:12:11,500
wasn't even in an intersection, I don't think.

3466
05:12:19,340 --> 05:12:20,540
Yeah, then it went to have to sleep.

3467
05:12:51,110 --> 05:12:52,170
Yeah, I'm on 5G.

3468
05:12:52,750 --> 05:12:53,470
It's not working very well.

3469
05:13:06,410 --> 05:13:09,370
I can't get online to check the video.

3470
05:13:10,250 --> 05:13:14,850
We will have the record because there's also a secondary recording going on in the background.

3471
05:13:15,390 --> 05:13:19,510
There will be meeting recording, but per the requirements of the new Senate bill.

3472
05:13:20,050 --> 05:13:24,090
We have to ensure, okay, we might be working.

3473
05:13:24,230 --> 05:13:29,410
We're working on that, but we can't proceed until we make good faith efforts to re-establish the Zoom.

3474
05:13:29,410 --> 05:13:31,990
and may have to wait up to an hour of reviewing our policy.

3475
05:13:33,150 --> 05:13:34,000
So, bear with us.

3476
05:14:34,370 --> 05:14:35,610
Recording in progress.

3477
05:14:47,320 --> 05:14:49,980
Okay, we just to confirm Zoom is back up.

3478
05:14:50,140 --> 05:14:53,280
I'm hoping that there's no way for me to notify folks who are in

3479
05:14:53,280 --> 05:14:59,960
got kicked out, but Zoom is back up and running so we can proceed. Thank you.

3480
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:01,900
For that small technical break.

3481
05:15:03,060 --> 05:15:06,660
All right, I think the mic was going to a council member.

3482
05:15:07,000 --> 05:15:16,760
Okay, and I don't think I forgot my question. First of all, I agree with moving forward with the amended concept of item three.

3483
05:15:17,360 --> 05:15:29,300
I think that makes all the sense in the world. I'm still would ask the question of whether or not we want to have staff take another look at some sort of reduced project alternative.

3484
05:15:29,300 --> 05:15:38,320
that would also potentially preserve the house or, and I realize it may not meet all the objectives of the project, and it may be something different.

3485
05:15:38,880 --> 05:15:48,620
But I'd like to come to that resolution tonight so that we can at least look at those options and know if it's something that's feasible or not feasible.

3486
05:15:48,860 --> 05:15:56,740
And it may not be possible. It may just be that, you know, we're going to impact properties under one scenario or another.

3487
05:15:56,740 --> 05:16:01,640
you've brought us an alternative that minimizes impacts to commercial properties and minimizes

3488
05:16:01,640 --> 05:16:07,000
a lot of other impacts, but not the one that we really want to try to address tonight.

3489
05:16:08,120 --> 05:16:13,800
So I'd like to also consider an addition looking at, at least having staff take a look

3490
05:16:13,800 --> 05:16:18,860
at a reduced project alternative that would potentially preserve the home at 801s of

3491
05:16:18,860 --> 05:16:19,380
auto trail.

3492
05:16:19,660 --> 05:16:24,320
Preserve the home, and you said may not meet all project objectives, but what project objectives

3493
05:16:24,320 --> 05:16:25,860
would you like it to meet?

3494
05:16:27,540 --> 05:16:30,260
Well, I would ask staff to take a look at that.

3495
05:16:30,340 --> 05:16:32,440
I mean, something better than the no-prote no-build,

3496
05:16:32,560 --> 05:16:33,540
no-project alternative.

3497
05:16:35,020 --> 05:16:38,860
I just said that I think it may not meet the same level

3498
05:16:39,480 --> 05:16:43,780
of objectives that the proposed alternative does,

3499
05:16:43,980 --> 05:16:47,340
but that doesn't mean it's not something we could look at.

3500
05:16:47,860 --> 05:16:50,820
Well, with that, I'll go with the vice mayor next,

3501
05:16:51,820 --> 05:16:53,600
but let me go to the vice mayor before I say that.

3502
05:16:53,600 --> 05:16:54,840
I can't agree with that.

3503
05:16:55,020 --> 05:16:55,640
I'll come back later.

3504
05:16:56,960 --> 05:16:57,920
Thank you.

3505
05:16:58,940 --> 05:17:00,440
Jumbo Corners, as we've always

3506
05:17:00,440 --> 05:17:02,180
called it, has been near and dear to my family.

3507
05:17:02,860 --> 05:17:05,380
My father-in-law actually wrote the history of it,

3508
05:17:05,380 --> 05:17:07,940
and did the oral history, Regadani, who

3509
05:17:07,940 --> 05:17:09,100
Ms. French talked about early.

3510
05:17:10,560 --> 05:17:11,940
So it's near and dear to my family.

3511
05:17:12,880 --> 05:17:13,840
We've waited this long.

3512
05:17:13,940 --> 05:17:18,340
I would be in support of moving forward number three,

3513
05:17:19,280 --> 05:17:21,040
and then continuing to look at better options,

3514
05:17:21,040 --> 05:17:22,540
talking to the Rossi family,

3515
05:17:24,800 --> 05:17:29,460
I'm not sure looking at all where we're at, that it's an option

3516
05:17:29,460 --> 05:17:35,980
to rework the project. I don't know that many of the options would be, or many of the outcomes

3517
05:17:35,980 --> 05:17:41,060
would be fulfilled if we looked at, I mean we looked at 14 different projects, so I don't know

3518
05:17:41,060 --> 05:17:45,300
that there's more to look at, but I think it's definitely worth talking to the Rossi family

3519
05:17:45,300 --> 05:17:50,520
and doing right by them. I think that's the most important thing we can do, so that is what I support.

3520
05:17:52,750 --> 05:17:53,550
Thank you, Chris.

3521
05:17:55,070 --> 05:17:59,130
Yeah, the Councilman Panner to go back and say, well, let's have staff look at other options.

3522
05:17:59,730 --> 05:18:06,010
We did that exercise and we did it thoroughly and staffed it thoroughly and prior councils

3523
05:18:06,010 --> 05:18:11,190
in engineers and we looked at it and we've hired consultants and to just say, well, let's

3524
05:18:11,190 --> 05:18:18,230
go redo the, let's go do it just basically scrapping the project in my opinion, you know, so we've put

3525
05:18:18,230 --> 05:18:25,770
a lot of effort and time into this and I think we're very close and I don't want to jeopardize

3526
05:18:25,770 --> 05:18:28,110
all this work that's been done and money spent.

3527
05:18:28,390 --> 05:18:32,570
We often get accused of, you know, mispending money, I don't know, it's expensive project

3528
05:18:32,570 --> 05:18:39,470
that we've got a lot into it and I just want to make everybody as whole as we can, but

3529
05:18:39,470 --> 05:18:45,370
the project still needs to move forward in my opinion and that's what I'm believing so.

3530
05:18:45,370 --> 05:18:48,490
And that would be to certify the e-e-e-e or tonight.

3531
05:18:52,420 --> 05:18:53,260
Council member Lerals.

3532
05:18:54,500 --> 05:18:55,880
I don't hold on to it.

3533
05:18:56,080 --> 05:18:56,840
You're holding on to it.

3534
05:18:56,860 --> 05:18:57,860
You give us a break.

3535
05:18:58,420 --> 05:19:00,580
I'm trying to find a solution that works for everybody.

3536
05:19:01,600 --> 05:19:07,740
So Council member Painter talked about reduce project design alternatives.

3537
05:19:08,240 --> 05:19:12,740
I think there's a difference between putting everything back on the table and making minor

3538
05:19:12,740 --> 05:19:14,860
adjustments that could lead to a better result.

3539
05:19:14,980 --> 05:19:17,080
And I don't want to speak for you, but I think that's what you meant.

3540
05:19:17,080 --> 05:19:32,420
And if that is, then I would approve of moving forward with number three, not approve any IR tonight and directing staff to have conversations with Charlie Rossi and his representatives and look at reduced project design alternatives that could preserve the house.

3541
05:19:32,740 --> 05:19:39,140
If we may, we would need a little bit, we would need a little bit more direction than that.

3542
05:19:39,140 --> 05:19:46,340
We have studied multiple different alternatives. So what kinds of things may a reduced alternative look like?

3543
05:19:47,520 --> 05:19:50,260
That's not clear what we would be looking for.

3544
05:19:55,530 --> 05:19:59,950
I kind of is okay if I jump back in. I mean, I mean, I talked about it earlier, but you know

3545
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:17,920
I'm not an engineer. If there are slight adjustments that we can make to the size of the roundabout, where the road is, the, you know, the degrees, the angles, if there's anything that we can do to shift things over, that's what I would be interested in looking at to see if there are any options that we haven't considered.

3546
05:20:19,460 --> 05:20:20,300
That's a new project.

3547
05:20:27,880 --> 05:20:40,520
Again, to clarify, if after taking your directive, would you want a report as to whether it was determined that that there wasn't an option or what would you like to done with that information?

3548
05:20:41,900 --> 05:20:49,440
I would want to know definitively that there is no way that we could move forward without demolishing the house before I could move forward with the ER tonight.

3549
05:20:49,440 --> 05:20:57,860
So I would I would want that report and I do want staff to go back and look and see to make sure that there's nothing else that can be done.

3550
05:20:58,560 --> 05:21:03,120
We have studied this extensively. We have started the final design.

3551
05:21:03,800 --> 05:21:11,820
We have looked at trying to make the roundabouts fit in the footprint that we have to absolutely minimize impacts.

3552
05:21:11,820 --> 05:21:14,740
with this option, there is not a way to shift

3553
05:21:14,740 --> 05:21:18,040
around about out of where the house currently stands.

3554
05:21:18,060 --> 05:21:20,780
As Guy said, it goes right through the middle of the home.

3555
05:21:21,080 --> 05:21:23,880
There is not a way to shift that

3556
05:21:23,880 --> 05:21:26,440
and keep this alternative, preserve the work

3557
05:21:26,440 --> 05:21:30,740
that's happened on this EIR and save the house.

3558
05:21:38,780 --> 05:21:44,260
So I think I'm going back to proven number three

3559
05:21:44,260 --> 05:21:45,980
in having conversation with the girls.

3560
05:21:45,980 --> 05:21:50,680
Because, again, I haven't heard from him, I haven't gotten a report, but that looks like.

3561
05:21:50,940 --> 05:21:56,740
We're all concerned about his well-being, their family, and preserving that, but also

3562
05:21:56,740 --> 05:22:02,680
want to make sure that other than hearing from the public and ourselves, what is the same

3563
05:22:02,680 --> 05:22:03,560
was his family saying.

3564
05:22:04,460 --> 05:22:08,800
So, I'm going to come to move in number three only, and then again, report back and what

3565
05:22:08,800 --> 05:22:15,280
that feedback is from Mr. Rosner family to know what that next step will look like before

3566
05:22:15,280 --> 05:22:17,800
we adopt the IRR.

3567
05:22:18,220 --> 05:22:20,460
And I think, OK, go ahead.

3568
05:22:21,340 --> 05:22:21,760
Go ahead.

3569
05:22:25,380 --> 05:22:26,660
Because I brought this up.

3570
05:22:27,600 --> 05:22:29,900
And I would agree.

3571
05:22:29,980 --> 05:22:33,180
I think it's probably our first priority to have those discussions

3572
05:22:33,180 --> 05:22:38,640
with Mr. Rossi and his family and bring that back to us, but just

3573
05:22:38,640 --> 05:22:44,420
knowing that at least, from my position, the next step, if we don't

3574
05:22:44,420 --> 05:22:48,760
come to at least, you know, some sort of net determination

3575
05:22:48,760 --> 05:22:51,100
that we can make this project work,

3576
05:22:51,540 --> 05:22:54,460
we may be coming back and asking for some alternatives.

3577
05:22:55,280 --> 05:22:56,500
And maybe we don't ask for it tonight,

3578
05:22:56,660 --> 05:22:58,140
maybe we take this step tonight.

3579
05:22:59,400 --> 05:23:01,760
We hold, we hit the hot pause button at least

3580
05:23:01,760 --> 05:23:06,080
on the EIR itself, which we can revisit

3581
05:23:06,080 --> 05:23:08,140
when we come back and learn a little bit more

3582
05:23:08,140 --> 05:23:10,620
about what our options are for these negotiations.

3583
05:23:11,120 --> 05:23:13,460
So I would be comfortable with that.

3584
05:23:16,210 --> 05:23:24,290
Is that a motion was that motion I I would be sure it's clear for staff I would like to be clear on the motion

3585
05:23:24,290 --> 05:23:26,150
That we move forward

3586
05:23:26,770 --> 05:23:32,390
At this time with a modification to recommendation number three, which is adopting a resolution

3587
05:23:34,230 --> 05:23:42,890
To move forward with a modified cooperative agreement with CalTrans that is as you've already stated not pursuant to certified EIR

3588
05:23:42,890 --> 05:23:45,090
But otherwise as written

3589
05:23:46,210 --> 05:23:53,350
in item three and bring that back to a report to council so that we can then make further

3590
05:23:53,350 --> 05:23:56,850
determinations on certification of the EIR.

3591
05:24:01,860 --> 05:24:05,080
I kind of blended that together. Bring back

3592
05:24:06,160 --> 05:24:12,220
just results or a report on discussions with the Rossi family regarding the property.

3593
05:24:14,650 --> 05:24:19,810
I'd like to second that but also does that seem to go line. I think one of the same

3594
05:24:19,810 --> 05:24:24,130
pages want to make sure sounds like we are. Yes. Okay. So I'm going to second that motion.

3595
05:24:24,790 --> 05:24:29,510
Okay. I just can I I just want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.

3596
05:24:30,850 --> 05:24:35,770
Just just to be totally sure you are saying that you would move forward with adopting your

3597
05:24:35,770 --> 05:24:40,770
resolution or proving and authorizing the public works director to execute amendment number one

3598
05:24:40,770 --> 05:24:46,670
to counter his cooperative agreement. Number, basically the recommended action number three,

3599
05:24:46,670 --> 05:24:55,150
but removing the pursuant to a certified EIR piece, and then you are also asking that staff

3600
05:24:55,150 --> 05:24:59,590
go back, listen to Mr. Rossi, get feedback from him directly, understand.

3601
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:10,280
What he wants, what would make him whole, and then report back to council with that information. Okay. Thank you.

3602
05:25:10,740 --> 05:25:19,020
So we have a motion on the floor by Council Mayor Painter, seconded by Councilmember Nerviahs. Any other further discussion on the question?

3603
05:25:20,220 --> 05:25:23,880
See, Chris is ready to cast these votes. So all in favor of that motion.

3604
05:25:23,880 --> 05:25:31,400
I'm sorry by saying aye, and I will say nay. So passes four one.

3605
05:25:35,630 --> 05:25:35,990
All right.

3606
05:25:39,310 --> 05:25:40,630
Thank you, everyone.

3607
05:25:42,860 --> 05:25:47,200
Staff, do we need a motion? Then to continue the hearing, too. Is that where do we?

3608
05:25:48,440 --> 05:25:52,180
There's a close. It'll come back. Yeah, it'll come back to us once.

3609
05:25:53,160 --> 05:25:53,680
Okay.

3610
05:25:55,000 --> 05:25:56,860
We'll put it back on the agenda.

3611
05:25:56,860 --> 05:26:03,920
All right, uh, city attorney was any reportable action and co-session.

3612
05:26:05,930 --> 05:26:07,430
There was none, mayor.

3613
05:26:08,050 --> 05:26:08,610
No reportable.

3614
05:26:08,670 --> 05:26:08,950
I'm close.

3615
05:26:09,090 --> 05:26:09,550
Thank you.

3616
05:26:09,770 --> 05:26:11,110
Comments by city manager.

3617
05:26:11,690 --> 05:26:12,290
Comments.

3618
05:26:12,290 --> 05:26:13,750
Comments by city council.

3619
05:26:17,540 --> 05:26:18,860
No comments by council.

3620
05:26:19,140 --> 05:26:21,680
We will adjourn at 10.

3621
05:26:22,200 --> 05:26:22,800
20.

3622
05:26:23,200 --> 05:26:23,800
Five.

3623
05:26:24,420 --> 05:26:24,900
25.

3624
05:26:25,380 --> 05:26:25,660
Five.

3625
05:26:26,320 --> 05:26:27,700
Wait, let me go to real time.

3626
05:26:28,240 --> 05:26:28,960
That's 25.

3627
05:26:30,620 --> 05:26:31,020
25.

3628
05:26:31,020 --> 05:26:31,460
Sorry.

3629
05:26:32,240 --> 05:26:32,680
You're welcome.